From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 07:04:01 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 04:03:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: gps To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX i'm looking for a relatively cheap gps to swap back and forth between the duc and the xr. i don't need color or detailed city information. will the garmin gps iii+ do (ebay for ~$200). i basically do all of my riding on the east coast between georgia and new jersey (between the coast and 500 miles inland). ideally i'd like a system that doesn't require me to keep f-ing with basemaps to be useful. thanks in advance for any feedback. -- tg ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940-A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 07:33:08 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:33:03 -0400 (EDT) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: gps On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > i'm looking for a relatively cheap gps to swap back and > forth between the duc and the xr. i don't need color or > detailed city information. > > will the garmin gps iii+ do (ebay for ~$200). i basically > do all of my riding on the east coast between georgia and > new jersey (between the coast and 500 miles inland). > ideally i'd like a system that doesn't require me to keep > f-ing with basemaps to be useful. > what do you want the GPS to do? If you want info like your current position is N45'45.67" W38'45.12" or major interstate roads yes. It also includes city information for population centers of 200,000 or more people (at the time the unit was built). I think unless you are an interstate traveler, or a dirt biker who travels in road less areas you will be unhappy with what the III+ delivers. -J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 07:42:05 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 04:42:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: Tchaka , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Having worked for a judge (albeit not a traffic judge), they absolutely hate when people waste their time. Not saying that's what you did, but if that's what he perceived, that'd explain it. jib --- Tchaka wrote: > Wow, I sure got a beating in Fairfax Co. Traffic > Court today! Last > month I was stopped and given 2 tickets - one for > failure to obey a hwy > sign and the other for an out of date inspection. I > could (and should) > have prepaid to the tune of $200. Instead I went to > court to plea a > bit. Judge fined me $250 for the moving violation > (he apparently hates > speeders), THEN whammed me on the inspection. I > didn't know it had > expired and in order to pass I have to replace a > blinker, ended up with > the wrong one from Dennis Kirk so I couldn't get it > done yet. I asked > the judge for a continuance so I could complete it. > He denied it then > charged me $200. WTF? > > T > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 08:18:35 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:18:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Thompson Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: Isaac Blanck , Tchaka , dc-cycles@XXXXXX This is a bit off the current topic, but certainly a costly lesson http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/6864656.htm Nick --- Isaac Blanck wrote: > Having worked for a judge (albeit not a traffic > judge), they absolutely hate when people waste their > time. Not saying that's what you did, but if that's > what he perceived, that'd explain it. jib > --- Tchaka wrote: > > Wow, I sure got a beating in Fairfax Co. Traffic > > Court today! Last > > month I was stopped and given 2 tickets - one for > > failure to obey a hwy > > sign and the other for an out of date inspection. > I > > could (and should) > > have prepaid to the tune of $200. Instead I went > to > > court to plea a > > bit. Judge fined me $250 for the moving violation > > (he apparently hates > > speeders), THEN whammed me on the inspection. I > > didn't know it had > > expired and in order to pass I have to replace a > > blinker, ended up with > > the wrong one from Dennis Kirk so I couldn't get > it > > done yet. I asked > > the judge for a continuance so I could complete > it. > > He denied it then > > charged me $200. WTF? > > > > T > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > > search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 08:47:55 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:47:50 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Rob pointed out: >I got outta my ticket. I took and pass my road test, signed >up for the MSF class and got a support deposition for the >judge all before I had my court date. > >I walked up to the judge and said, "you may want to read >this" and then handed him my supporting deposition from the >ADA of my county in NY. He read it and dismissed my ticket. > >He didn't let a single other person off while I was there. [Dave] I've seen a lot of people come with "guilty with explanation" pleas, etc., and not once have I seen one end with a verdict other than guilty. The good thing about going prepared to try your case is that not only are you able to soak the prosecuting jurisdiction for at least 1/2 hour of the court staff's time, you get to deny them the ability to work through 2 or 3 other cases and fines as well :-) All the better if you or your lawyer have a substantial amount of evidence to present. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 09:01:57 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:29:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Costly Lesson At 08:47 AM 10/1/03 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >[Dave] I've seen a lot of people come with "guilty with >explanation" pleas, etc., and not once have I seen one end >with a verdict other than guilty. But many times, at least here in MD, you're able to walk out with a Probation Before Judgement. Also, I don't know about you, but my insurance rates don't go up from speeding tickets. I suppose that if my wife and I were to get a ton of them we'd see an increase, but a couple every few years doesn't make a single bit of difference. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 09:04:26 2003 Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: Costly Lesson Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:03:09 -0400 State Farm has a policy of 3 tickets/accidents in a 3 year period will cause an increase. My guess is that you also have to have the 3 at the time they do their audit. My brother got caught on that a while back. I figure one a year and I'm golden! ;) -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:29 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Costly Lesson > > > At 08:47 AM 10/1/03 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: > > >[Dave] I've seen a lot of people come with "guilty with > >explanation" pleas, etc., and not once have I seen one end > >with a verdict other than guilty. > > But many times, at least here in MD, you're able to walk out with a > Probation Before Judgement. > > Also, I don't know about you, but my insurance rates don't go up from > speeding tickets. I suppose that if my wife and I were to > get a ton of > them we'd see an increase, but a couple every few years > doesn't make a > single bit of difference. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 09:19:59 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:19:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: gps To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX You should be able to find a Garmin eMap for less. I have one and it has detailed enough info for most of the smaller roads around here if you load the detailed local info into the unit. It's light and pretty small (about 2.5"x5" give or take). RAM makes a mount for it (I have one) that works great. You could get an extra mounting ball and it would make swapping between bikes a very simple affair. Chris Weaver --- Tom Gimer wrote: > i'm looking for a relatively cheap gps to swap back > and > forth between the duc and the xr. i don't need > color or > detailed city information. > > will the garmin gps iii+ do (ebay for ~$200). i > basically > do all of my riding on the east coast between > georgia and > new jersey (between the coast and 500 miles inland). > > ideally i'd like a system that doesn't require me to > keep > f-ing with basemaps to be useful. > > thanks in advance for any feedback. > > -- > tg > > > ===== > Thomas H. Gimer > MURPHY & GIMER, LLC > 7940-A Wisconsin Avenue > Bethesda, MD 20814 > 301 913-0060; 301 913-5415 (fax) > http://www.murphygimer.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 09:21:03 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:21:00 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: drunk driving/riding ok in UK on small bikes Strange. I've heard it's illegal to be drunk and in possession of a bicycle (not even riding it). This looks like an odd loophole. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Euan Fisk" Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:23:25 -0500 >Apparently it's ok to be drunk & ride a motorcycle >in the UK if it's a really small, unlicenced, >unregisterable, uninsurable & you can pick it up: > >http://tinyurl.com/p84g > >-Euan > euan@XXXXXX > >-- >__________________________________________________________ >Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com >http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > >CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search >http://corp.mail.com/careers > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 09:24:57 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:23:52 -0400 From: Skip To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Costly Lesson Dave Yates wrote: > > [Dave] I've seen a lot of people come with "guilty with > explanation" pleas, etc., and not once have I seen one end > with a verdict other than guilty. well, DUH! they're admitting their guilt! Judge: you are charged with speeding. How do you plead? (meaning: You are charged with speeding. did you do it?) Defendant: Guilty with explanation, (meaning: I did it, but lemme tell you why.) Conclusion: the pig says you did it, you say you did it... you must have done it. > The good thing about going > prepared to try your case is that not only are you able to > soak the prosecuting jurisdiction for at least 1/2 hour of > the court staff's time, you get to deny them the ability to > work through 2 or 3 other cases and fines as well :-) All the > better if you or your lawyer have a substantial amount of > evidence to present. the only way you will EVER get a "not guilty" verdict is to plead "not guilty". --skip, been to court a time or two From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 09:28:44 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:28:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Ninja 250? To: Rob Sharp , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think the reviewer Rob refers to (Robs post included at the end of this message) has confused the Ninja 250 and Nighthawk engines. Rob, if you want to see a Ninja 250 do figure 8's and low-speed turns, I'm doing 'circles' this Sunday 2-6 PM at the commuter lot at I-95 and Prince William Parkway. The Nighthawk has much less power than the Ninja. At low RPMs, the two are probably very close to the same. The difference is that the Ninja 250 motor just keeps making more power as the RPMs go up. The 75 mph top speed that you speak of is with one extra tooth on the front sprocket, huge windscreen, rubbermaid tail trunk, saddlebags, 10 gallon fuel tank and running into the wind at 5000 feet of elevation in Wyoming. Even then, you can increase the speed to 80 by downshifting to 5th gear and getting the engine closer to the HP peak. 75 mph in 6th gear is 8600 RPM, 80 mph in 5th is 10300 RPM. HP peak is around 11,500, redline is at 14,000. When I taught the MSF, NoVa Alexandria had a Ninja 250 in addition to all of the Nighthawks. We avoided using Ninja for students. The problem was that the 'hotdogs' wanted the Ninja rather than the plainer looking Nighthawks. These were the students we constantly had to remind to slow down anyway, giving them the fast bike with the good brakes was asking for trouble. I will agree that the Ninja is a more intimidating bike for beginners than the Nighthawk, it's much more capable and allows the beginner to get into the situations that they would get into with any bigger bike. Leon. --- Rob Sharp wrote: > If you fold the mirrors in it will do 75 on the > highway downhill. You will > get sick of a 250 REAL fast. It's only 23-28 HP. I > think you would like > something in a Vtwin, it's got the low end power so > you can do the figure 8's > and low speed turns and not worry about stalling. > > Quote from a Ninja 250 review: > > Recommendation for Beginning Riders: > http://www.obairlann.net/~reaper/bmw-bike/ninja/review.html > > I do not recommend this bike for beginning riders. > In my opinion, the engine's > performance is too strongly tied to revving hard, > which is likely to > intimidate new riders. Other than the engine, the > bike is great for beginners, > but that engine problem prevents me from > recommending it. I wish I could > transplant the Nighthawk 250's engine into the Ninja > frame (the only thing I > like about the Nighthawk 250 is the engine). If you > are a new rider, and think > you'll enjoy revving the motor hard when you need to > get ahead of traffic, it > would be an acceptable choice, but this is not the > bike for timid riders. > > > :-D > > Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 09:36:08 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:36:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: Skip , Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not true. I have plead guilty with a reason twice (faulty equipment, documented by shop) and gotten off. --- Skip wrote: > Dave Yates wrote: > > > > [Dave] I've seen a lot of people come with > "guilty with > > explanation" pleas, etc., and not once have I seen > one end > > with a verdict other than guilty. > > well, DUH! they're admitting their guilt! > > Judge: you are charged with speeding. How do you > plead? > (meaning: You are charged with speeding. did you do > it?) > > Defendant: Guilty with explanation, > (meaning: I did it, but lemme tell you why.) > > Conclusion: the pig says you did it, you say you did > it... you must have done > it. > > > The good thing about going > > prepared to try your case is that not only are you > able to > > soak the prosecuting jurisdiction for at least 1/2 > hour of > > the court staff's time, you get to deny them the > ability to > > work through 2 or 3 other cases and fines as well > :-) All the > > better if you or your lawyer have a substantial > amount of > > evidence to present. > > the only way you will EVER get a "not guilty" > verdict is to plead "not guilty". > > --skip, been to court a time or two > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 10:04:52 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: DC-Cycles skip: i thought about mr. yates' response for a moment, then concluded that what he might have been talking about is a situation where the offense was admittedly committed but an "excuse" was offered (e.g., speeding to the hospital when wife is having a baby). it is possible to obtain a "not guilty" verdict when the conduct is excused. --- Skip wrote: > Dave Yates wrote: > > > > [Dave] I've seen a lot of people come with "guilty > with > > explanation" pleas, etc., and not once have I seen one > end > > with a verdict other than guilty. > > well, DUH! they're admitting their guilt! > > Judge: you are charged with speeding. How do you plead? > > (meaning: You are charged with speeding. did you do it?) > > Defendant: Guilty with explanation, > (meaning: I did it, but lemme tell you why.) > > Conclusion: the pig says you did it, you say you did > it... you must have done > it. > > > The good thing about going > > prepared to try your case is that not only are you able > to > > soak the prosecuting jurisdiction for at least 1/2 hour > of > > the court staff's time, you get to deny them the > ability to > > work through 2 or 3 other cases and fines as well :-) > All the > > better if you or your lawyer have a substantial amount > of > > evidence to present. > > the only way you will EVER get a "not guilty" verdict is > to plead "not guilty". > > --skip, been to court a time or two ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940-A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 10:10:23 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:10:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: OT: Fairfax Rant (was: Costly Lesson) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Par for the course in Fairfax. Organized crime could learn a few lessons from that county on how to chisel money out of people. Their tax policies, traffic enforcement "programs" and piss-poor urban planning are all designed to maximize profit at the expense of the good of the community. Ever seen their "Government Center?" That thing makes the Taj Mahal look like an outhouse. Heard about their plans for Tysons Corner? Hint: it involves further development of the area, creating lots of new business and real estate tax income without wasting money on frivolities like fixing the already horrific traffic problems. Fairfax county doesn't care much about protecting or serving their residents. Their main interest is in generating income for the government. Chris Weaver --- Tchaka wrote: > Wow, I sure got a beating in Fairfax Co. Traffic > Court today! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 10:25:17 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:24:43 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: OT: Fairfax Rant (was: Costly Lesson) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This is DC-Cycles, not FAIRFAX-cycles. ONLY DC Bashing is allowed here ;-) >Par for the course in Fairfax. Organized crime could >learn a few lessons from that county on how to chisel >money out of people. > >Their tax policies, traffic enforcement "programs" and >piss-poor urban planning are all designed to maximize >profit at the expense of the good of the community. > >Ever seen their "Government Center?" That thing makes >the Taj Mahal look like an outhouse. > >Heard about their plans for Tysons Corner? Hint: it >involves further development of the area, creating >lots of new business and real estate tax income >without wasting money on frivolities like fixing the >already horrific traffic problems. > >Fairfax county doesn't care much about protecting or >serving their residents. Their main interest is in >generating income for the government. [Dave] Of course, all that you rant is true... As contrasted with DC, their planning was sort of 'done for them' when the city was carved out, and populated over the years before home rule, and a pi$$ poor management job has been done ever since... FFX OTOH, has nobody to blame but their own selves. I mused to Mike B off list that "UnFairTax County" in it's current taxing state will only be able to sustain itself about 10 more years until the property taxes will be so outrageously high, people will start leaving in droves - like seniors are now. I wonder how big the Fairfax government is contrasted with say, New Hampshire ? or Maine ? Still, at least you are legally able to contest and beat a traffic or parking ticket in UnFairTax... And their 911 response time is reasonable, vehicle theft relatively low and despite being underprepared for the 'cane, when the lights went out, they had a full mobilization of deputies, jail guards, police etc to man intersections... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 10:31:21 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:31:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: OT: Fairfax Rant (was: Costly Lesson) To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Damm it felt good though (-: --- Dave Yates wrote: > This is DC-Cycles, not FAIRFAX-cycles. ONLY DC > Bashing is > allowed here ;-) > > > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 10:40:58 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:40:35 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: OT: Fairfax Rant (was: Costly Lesson) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I know. I always feel better after bashing the DC Transplants here in UnFairTax ! Dave http://www.al2004.org/ > >Damm it felt good though (-: > > >--- Dave Yates wrote: >> This is DC-Cycles, not FAIRFAX-cycles. ONLY DC >> Bashing is >> allowed here ;-) >> >> > > >===== >www.deanforamerica.com > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 11:00:45 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:00:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tchaka Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hahaha...what a knucklehead. That's even worse than speeding (IMO). My advice: prepay the fines!!!!! T --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 04:27 PM 9/30/03 -0700, Tchaka wrote: > >Wow, I sure got a beating in Fairfax Co. Traffic Court today! Last > >month I was stopped and given 2 tickets - one for failure to obey a > hwy > >sign and the other for an out of date inspection. I could (and > should) > >have prepaid to the tune of $200. Instead I went to court to plea a > >bit. Judge fined me $250 for the moving violation (he apparently > hates > >speeders), THEN whammed me on the inspection. I didn't know it had > >expired and in order to pass I have to replace a blinker, ended up > with > >the wrong one from Dennis Kirk so I couldn't get it done yet. I > asked > >the judge for a continuance so I could complete it. He denied it > then > >charged me $200. WTF? > > Ouch...sounds almost like old Judge Hitchins from Norfolk (the > "Hanging > Traffic Judge") back in the 70s. He never cut anyone any slack at > all, and > if you complained, it got worse. If you had a valid problem, ok, but > trying to wiggle out of anything justified annoyed him no end. > > On the chance that it might make you feel a bit better: > > Saturday evening in Annapolis I saw one of the stupidest moves I've > seen in > months...a guy ran a crosswalk down by the harbor while there were 4 > people > in it, trying to squeeze between the two pairs of pedestrians so he > wouldn't have to wait for them to cross first. While that's bad > enough, he > also failed to note that two of the walkers were cops (in uniform), > and he > just about hit one of them. The cop used his hands to fend off from > the > guy's right front fender, then slapped the passenger window while > yelling, > "Pull it over NOW!!" By the time we made the right turn he was > already > writing the tickets...and we were next for the turn. The cop didn't > sound > at all happy as we passed...I'd hate to be that guy in court! > > -- Mike B. > > **************************************************************************** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation > Obliterated * > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions > Offered * > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles > Stimulated * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* > * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! > * > **************************************************************************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 11:26:54 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:26:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Cool After-market Harley Parts (The only ones I've ever seen....) http://www.hemidesign.com/ -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 11:36:00 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:28:58 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Hahaha...what a knucklehead. That's even worse than >speeding (IMO). >My advice: prepay the fines!!!!! > >T [Dave] Yes, by all means, if it's Fairfax, prepay those fines... In fact, send money EVEN IF you don't owe. Know someone about to contest their Fairfax ticket - prepay it for them ! We need all the $$$ we can get ! ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 11:58:44 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:58:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Aerostich Reviews. I recently got a bigmassivehuge order of schtuff from Aerostich. Much of it is great; some of it is total utter reprehensible crap. Rather than clog up the list, I've posted my comments ("Reviews" may be a little too grandiose) here: http://fishfoo.livejournal.com/123263.html If you're interested in opinionated ravings about moto-toys, there you go. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 12:06:25 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:06:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: OT: Fairfax Rant (was: Costly Lesson) At 10:10 AM 10/1/2003, you wrote: >Fairfax county doesn't care much about protecting or >serving their residents. Their main interest is in >generating income for the government. I think about this every time I see a FxCo revenuer in Clifton collecting finances from inbound PwCo residents. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Submit. Obey. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 12:07:42 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:06:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: gps At 04:03 AM 10/1/03 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >i'm looking for a relatively cheap gps to swap back and >forth between the duc and the xr. i don't need color or >detailed city information. > >will the garmin gps iii+ do (ebay for ~$200). i basically >do all of my riding on the east coast between georgia and >new jersey (between the coast and 500 miles inland). >ideally i'd like a system that doesn't require me to keep >f-ing with basemaps to be useful. I have a Magellan Meridian. With enough memory, and some careful planning of the basemap layouts, you might be able to get that area into the device all at once. I've got 32 megs in mine, and I've got from the Atlantic to Paw-Paw, WV, and from Richmond, VA north to about Philadelphia in it all at once. With more memory that could be larger, obviously, and they make bigger memory these days, and I believe the newer Meridians (there have been at least two upgrades since they made mine) can handle at least 64 megs, and maybe more (haven't checked recently). The Meridian wasn't expensive. Got mine at Costco with a CD of maps, a car windshield mount, cigarette lighter adapter, PC interface cable, and a memory upgrade (the 32 meg thing) for about $210 a year and a half ago. It works pretty well and has nice features (no turn-by-turn directions or street-address waypoint selection, but it has pretty much everything else most GPSs have now). One warning though: Magellan's maps are inaccurate and out of date. They are at least 10 years old, so newer streets are not on them at all. They are off by about 100' or so too. If you are zoomed out a bit this isn't a problem, but if you zoom in so you are looking at a few blocks at a time, you will find yourself parallelling the road you are on, usually to the south, but not always. You can usually tell which one you are really on, but in tight confines like a downtown area it could be a slight problem. Of course, in a downtown area you might or might not be able to get enough satellite locks anyway...buildings block signals. I don't spend much time in areas like that, so I haven't noticed a problem with locks. It's got a B&W LCD screen, so sunlight can wash it out at some angles, but it isn't too bad in sunlight for the most part. I've used it hiking without problems, and in the car with only minor glare problems. The backlight is pretty good at night, with two levels of brightness. I haven't used it on a bike yet, but I plan to once I get the Ram mount hardware to set it up there. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 12:27:58 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:23:35 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Costly Lesson At 07:04 AM 10/1/03 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >skip: >i thought about mr. yates' response for a moment, then >concluded that what he might have been talking about is a >situation where the offense was admittedly committed but an >"excuse" was offered (e.g., speeding to the hospital when >wife is having a baby). it is possible to obtain a "not >guilty" verdict when the conduct is excused. Or when the incident occured as described, but it wasn't your fault that it happened. For instance, you ran a stopsign, but it was because of a brake failure just at that moment due to faulty maintenance by your mechanic. If you can show that that was the case, and that the problem has been corrected, they would probably dismiss it. You had no intention of committing the infraction, did what you could to avoid it, so why punish you for it? -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 13:59:53 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:59:43 -0400 From: Skip To: Mike Bartman CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Costly Lesson Mike Bartman wrote: > > At 07:04 AM 10/1/03 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >skip: > >i thought about mr. yates' response for a moment, then > >concluded that what he might have been talking about is a > >situation where the offense was admittedly committed but an > >"excuse" was offered (e.g., speeding to the hospital when > >wife is having a baby). it is possible to obtain a "not > >guilty" verdict when the conduct is excused. > > Or when the incident occured as described, but it wasn't your fault that it > happened. For instance, you ran a stopsign, but it was because of a brake > failure just at that moment due to faulty maintenance by your mechanic. If > you can show that that was the case, and that the problem has been > corrected, they would probably dismiss it. You had no intention of > committing the infraction, did what you could to avoid it, so why punish > you for it? in the case you present, I would plead "not guilty" so I would get a "trial". but that's just me. I acknowledge that you can have your case dismissed when pleading "guilty with explanation" ( which, btw, isn't an actual plea -- there is nolo contendre, not guilty, and guilty), but it is unlikely. GWE is used (by me) to try and get the fine reduced. it almost always works in that respect. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 14:12:00 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Re: Costly Lesson Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:11:54 -0400 Someone wrote: > > >i thought about mr. yates' response for a moment, then > > >concluded that what he might have been talking about is a > > >situation where the offense was admittedly committed but an > > >"excuse" was offered (e.g., speeding to the hospital when > > >wife is having a baby). it is possible to obtain a "not > > >guilty" verdict when the conduct is excused. > > I don't know if it's still true, but in Maryland judges used to have the authority to reduce or eliminate the points assesed for an infraction, and an "explanation" would sometimes help convince the judge to do so. I got zero points assesed at least once because of an "explanation." In Virginia, judges don't have the authority to adjust points. They DO, however, have the ability to adjust the violation you are "convicted" of. My explanation got a reckless ticket (30 over) reduce to a 29 over simple speeding ticket once. Made a significant difference in both points and fine. In Virginia, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100, "Candy Glory Red", STOC # 1157 '02 919, "Asphalt" If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 14:22:47 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:22:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Another Ninja 250 for sale. To: DCCycles Cc: btran3@XXXXXX Yesterday, I got 3 emails in response to the Ninja 250 I had for sale. This one showed up on the Ninja 250 list, so for those of you interested in a 'nice' Ninja 250, this might be a better choice. Please contact Bao rather than me. Although if you decide to get it, I'd like to see it, too. Leon. --- btran3@XXXXXX wrote: > My ninja is 2003 yellow with about 1100 miles on it. > It's all stock with the exception of extra brake > lights and DRL lights I've added on. It's never been > dropped and looks like new. The 600 mile service > was done by the dealer where I bought the bike > (motorcycle factory, in Woodbridge.) I'm asking > $2600 for this bike. > bao tran __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 15:21:49 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:41:07 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: DC-Cycles Bob remembered fondly... I don't know if it's still true, but in Maryland judges used to have the authority to reduce or eliminate the points assesed for an infraction, and an "explanation" would sometimes help convince the judge to do so. I got zero points assesed at least once because of an "explanation." [Dave] I imagine that this strategy would be ok in some aspects - if you get nailed again within 3 years, you've got that many fewer points, and can therefore "absorb" more hits on your driving record ... if you can afford it... I did do this early on in my citation receiving career... > In Virginia, judges don't have the authority to adjust points. They DO, however, have the ability to adjust the violation you are "convicted" of. My explanation got a reckless ticket (30 over) reduce to a 29 over simple speeding ticket once. Made a significant difference in both points and fine. [Dave] Violation you are convicted of... is the operative phrase that should resonate throughout this discussion. Insurance companies won't give a whit about how many points you have, rather, what convictions are listed on your record. 5 convictions with no points and all speeding will certainly earn you higher insurance, just the same as out of state tickets will. The only real defense against that aspect of the conviction is to either beat it, or get it reduced to some petty non moving violation, like "improper equipment" or something. in '94 the wife & I were stopped in Durham 70 in a 55. I had 2 years & 9 months clean, 3 more to expungement, and ridding myself of my past traffic transgressions. I had joined NMA recently, and used their lawyer referral. After tracking down a local lawyer he suggested that there wasn't much hope of beating it (vascar), so I explained the finances involved and asked if he thought the prosecution would go for a double fine, charge reduced to a non moving violation. He went to court for me & got it down to improper equipment. The time between the ticket & court was beyond 90 days, so as soon as he let me know I was good, I went ot MD MVA, got a copy of my record, verified I was good - and there was my conviction too, the very next business day - sent my expungement order off. Within a couple weeks I got my expungement, got new full coverage at less than half the price I'd been paying. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 16:02:03 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:01:58 -0400 To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: Costly Lesson At 02:11 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Bob Meyer wrote: > My explanation got a reckless ticket (30 over) reduce to a 29 over simple speeding ticket once. Made a significant difference in both points and fine. When did they change the speed needed for reckless in Virginia? When I got my license there back in 1973, anything 20 or more over was reckless driving. My one speeding ticket was in Virginia Beach. I was doing at least 30 over at the time (just passed someone, came around a curve, and there he was with his radar...and I was wrong about the speed limit on that stretch of swamp road...it was 45, not the 55 I thought it was. Sign was partially obscured by vines). I didn't make him chase me, so he was nice and wrote it up as 19 over. I just sent them the money. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 16:09:38 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:08:53 -0400 To: Dave Yates , DC-Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Costly Lesson At 02:41 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >I had joined NMA recently, and used their >lawyer referral. After tracking down a local lawyer he >suggested that there wasn't much hope of beating it (vascar), >so I explained the finances involved and asked if he thought >the prosecution would go for a double fine, charge reduced to >a non moving violation. A guy I usd to work with had a Z-28 and a dad in Florida. He was on his way to visit, and got pulled over for doing 115 in a 55 zone. He saw the cop and tried to "blend in" with the light traffic in the right lane...yeah, right! :^) His auto club had a lawyer referral service, so he got a local lawyer (this was in South Carolina). Lawyer went to court, and demanded a jury trial. Traffic judge had him approach the bench, asked what the hell he was doing, and the lawyer said that the fine was ok, but the charge needed to be reduced if he was to retract his request. Judge increased the fine, but lowered the charge to less than reckless, and only 1 point. The auto club paid the first $100 of the fine too, so the whole thing only cost him about $150, lawyer included. I'm still not sure I think that sort of thing should happen, as it only encouraged him to keep driving recklessly, but whatever. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 16:11:51 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:11:26 -0400 From: Skip To: Mike Bartman CC: rmeyer9@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Costly Lesson Mike Bartman wrote: > > At 02:11 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Bob Meyer wrote: > > My explanation got a reckless ticket (30 over) reduce to a 29 over simple > speeding ticket once. Made a significant difference in both points and fine. > > When did they change the speed needed for reckless in Virginia? When I got > my license there back in 1973, anything 20 or more over was reckless driving. > > My one speeding ticket was in Virginia Beach. I was doing at least 30 over > at the time (just passed someone, came around a curve, and there he was > with his radar...and I was wrong about the speed limit on that stretch of > swamp road...it was 45, not the 55 I thought it was. Sign was partially > obscured by vines). I didn't make him chase me, so he was nice and wrote > it up as 19 over. I just sent them the money. I've fought tickets, as well as bent over and taken it. if you can fight it, do so. I had one where I turned from a residential road with a 30 mph speed limit to a residential road with a 25 mph speed limit. got nailed for doing 31. but the speed limit sign was obscured, so I took an assload of pictures of it from all sorts of different angles, distances etc. The prosecutor wouldn't cut me any slack, but the judge dismissed the ticket as I "couldn't have known the speed limit had changed". "thank you, your honor, have a nice day." I had a county sticker issue one time ( $100 fine) I went to court, explained that I had sold and bought back the car, a 79 Dodge Aspen. I explained that this wasn't a tax evasion issue. he asked what the tax was... $7. Case dismissed. I've never gone to court and had the fine be as bad as the prepay. YMMV! PDOACC (Professional driver on a closed course) --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 16:23:50 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:23:55 -0400 To: Skip From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Costly Lesson Cc: DC-Cycles At 04:11 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Skip wrote: >Mike Bartman wrote: >> obscured by vines). I didn't make him chase me, so he was nice and wrote >> it up as 19 over. I just sent them the money. > >I've fought tickets, as well as bent over and taken it. if you can fight it, do so. I've done both as well. When I was wrong, I paid. When I was right, I didn't. In that case, I was definitely over the limit...even the limit I thought was legal. I paid. When I got a ticket for running a red light in D.C. when the light was yellow (I didn't realize that's what they meant when they said the cops there were colorblind...), I went to court...twice...and got it dismissed. "Getting out of a ticket" is only right if you aren't guilty. Trying to do that when you are guilty is just avoiding responsibility for your own actions, and that's never right...though it's often more pleasant, cheaper, etc.. >I've never gone to court and had the fine be as bad as the prepay. I've seen it work the other way though...not with me, but with others in court the same day. $20 fine for several folks turned into $20 plus $17 court costs on one occasion (in the 70s...allow for inflation ;^). -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 16:38:49 2003 Subject: Re: Costly Lesson From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 01 Oct 2003 16:34:36 -0400 2 cents: I've often considered speeding tickets, which are the ones I tend to get, my fine for not paying attention or drawing attention to myself. You can watch the other drivers and have a good chance of seeing the cops before they lock on (slowing cars/brake lights ahead). The last ticket I got was, jeeze many years ago (surprising) and was because the cop was camped in the right lane of a bunch of traffic. Had I been paying attention, I would have seen him. Instead I blew by the bunch and he locked right in. Now I just speed with everyone else and no problems. Carl On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 16:23, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 04:11 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Skip wrote: > >Mike Bartman wrote: > > >> obscured by vines). I didn't make him chase me, so he was nice and wrote > >> it up as 19 over. I just sent them the money. > > > >I've fought tickets, as well as bent over and taken it. if you can fight > it, do so. > > I've done both as well. When I was wrong, I paid. When I was right, I > didn't. In that case, I was definitely over the limit...even the limit I > thought was legal. I paid. When I got a ticket for running a red light in > D.C. when the light was yellow (I didn't realize that's what they meant > when they said the cops there were colorblind...), I went to > court...twice...and got it dismissed. > > "Getting out of a ticket" is only right if you aren't guilty. Trying to do > that when you are guilty is just avoiding responsibility for your own > actions, and that's never right...though it's often more pleasant, cheaper, > etc.. > > >I've never gone to court and had the fine be as bad as the prepay. > > I've seen it work the other way though...not with me, but with others in > court the same day. $20 fine for several folks turned into $20 plus $17 > court costs on one occasion (in the 70s...allow for inflation ;^). > > -- Mike B. > > **************************************************************************** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* > * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * > **************************************************************************** > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 16:53:10 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:16:47 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mike B thought aloud: > >I'm still not sure I think that sort of thing should happen, >as it only encouraged him to keep driving recklessly, but >whatever. [Dave] what kind of thing? The jury trial? reduced charge? I say nicely done. Not going to court and fighting merely encourages the State to write more and more BS tickets to all of us. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 16:54:03 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:53:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: NON-MOTO: Fleetwood Mac Tickets For Sale To: DC Cycles My sister (not me!) has two extra tickets to Fleetwood Mac this Thursday night at the MCI Center. The keys are excellent (Section 112) and are face valued at $125 but will go for less. Please respond off-list. ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 17:39:50 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:38:51 -0400 From: Steven McCollom CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Costly Lesson X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [138.88.1.178] at Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:39:39 -0500 Mike Bartman wrote: > > >Mike Bartman wrote: > > "Getting out of a ticket" is only right if you aren't guilty. Really? Thanks for explaining that to everyone. Perhaps it's hard to keep the quality high when you post 10 messages a day, but for Pete's sake... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 18:16:55 2003 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Stationary target again Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:15:08 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Mobacc wrote: SNIP > >(For the record, it turns out the small print "no motorcycles" sign there is >now enforced (I'd parked there in the past) and I was (courteously) sent to >the parking area near the Reservoir Road entrance). > Bill, At my last workplace, there was a sign like that also. I kindly asked to speak to the Garage owner. Explained that Motorcycles were Motor Vehicles too. She countered that the sign was there because the sensors couldn't pick up a motorcycle. I then asked for the name and address of the Corporate owner of the Garage, and let her know that my intention was to get A.B.A.T.E. officers involved. She thought for a while, probably wondering what A.B.A.T.E. was and thinking of hundreds of bikers converging on the place in protest. She told me to drive around the gate and park in some non-revenue, semi obstructed parking places. They were by some electrical boxes so a car wouldn't fit. I got free parking. Be the squeaky wheel. Steven C. Di Pietro *****Agreed, MC parking restrictions should be struck and such placed in priority along with lanesplitting and distracted driver (cellphone, etc.) concerns. Of course, decisions to take on the immediate and extended powers-that-be are situation dependent. It was disappointing that the Gtwn garage attendent really did bar the bike, but I look on this whole issue as *very* fluid: It seems that gate operations (and insurance) are the concern in most cases. My bike has never before been turned back and where questioned I've worked with the attendant to a compromise of some sort. And, as it's Gtwn University I'd bet they've massaged the MC situation quite a bit and come up with the existing solution, universally appropriate or not. This is not to say I wouldn't again try to adjust it in the future. My own MC parking philosophy, in short: Press ahead responsibly and support welcome moves by A.B.A.T.E. (such as the recent reworking of multiple bikes per space in MD/VA?). Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Sizewise, could have driven through the main lobby up to the conference room door. No "no motorcycles" sign on the events board. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 18:51:14 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mobacc" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Stationary target again Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:49:26 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mobacc" > > *****Agreed, MC parking restrictions should be struck and such placed in > priority along with lanesplitting and distracted driver (cellphone, etc.) > concerns. > ... > > And, as it's Gtwn University I'd bet they've massaged the MC situation quite > a bit and come up with the existing solution, universally appropriate or > not. This is not to say I wouldn't again try to adjust it in the future. > > My own MC parking philosophy, in short: Press ahead responsibly and support > welcome moves by A.B.A.T.E. (such as the recent reworking of multiple bikes > per space in MD/VA?). > > Bill S. / DC One thing to think about: some of these garages might be publicly owned and operated either directly by a government body or a concessionaire. Seems to me the "road-legal, duly licensed and insured motor vehicle" approach would cut a lot more ice in that case. Private property owners are under less obligation to accommodate you. I've also learned those silly little stickers are put there by the gate manufacturers. Oftentimes the garage operators seem blissfully unaware of the sticker and I'm not about to point it out to them. I park in the BWI garage all the time, and the gates there have the stickers. No one has batted an eye as I proceed through the "stop, get ticket" and cashier lines. I figure I'll keep doing it until someone raised a stink. I have called the parking folks at BWI and pointblank asked if there is dedicated MC parking anywhere on the airport property. "Nope, just park in the garage" was the answer. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 18:56:52 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: gps Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:56:36 -0400 I've had my III+ for a few years now and it's a pretty nice unit for a small GPS. The 1.9MB space to load maps into is fairly small, but the basemap in ROM has the interstate network and major roads (Rt7, 28, etc) shown. I've done some great "wander in the weeds" trips by programming the lat/long of intersections in as waypoints and navigating from waypoint to waypoint. It's been spot on on little intersections in the middle of nowhere. I use Streets & Trips to lay out the routes and get the waypoint data. I also have a GPSmap 176C with a huge color screen and a 128MB data card. The III+ is a nice machine, as is the V with more (19MB) memory and a road-oriented mapping system. RAM-Mount makes mounts for all of 'em available theough Cyclegadgets.com (nice people). Michael J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 07:03 Subject: gps > i'm looking for a relatively cheap gps to swap back and > forth between the duc and the xr. i don't need color or > detailed city information. > > will the garmin gps iii+ do (ebay for ~$200). i basically > do all of my riding on the east coast between georgia and > new jersey (between the coast and 500 miles inland). > ideally i'd like a system that doesn't require me to keep > f-ing with basemaps to be useful. > > thanks in advance for any feedback. > > -- > tg > > > ===== > Thomas H. Gimer > MURPHY & GIMER, LLC > 7940-A Wisconsin Avenue > Bethesda, MD 20814 > 301 913-0060; 301 913-5415 (fax) > http://www.murphygimer.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 19:47:50 2003 From: "lisagoddard" To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: Subject: Subject: Re: Costly Lesson Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:46:50 -0400 two things: First of all, Officer White of the Montgomery County police force pulls me over about once a year, in addition to my other occasional run-ins with law enforcement (Park Police, DC police, Rockville Police, Gaithersburg Police..) Our annual reunions have been going on on a somewhat routine basis for at least 10 years now. It seems that he either lets me off with a warning or I beat him in court. I have yet to actually pay a fine issued by him. Now that I have posted that I am sure I am heading for a ticket, oh, wait, I can't even ride these days, the bike is in dry-dock until I heal some more. Stuck driving the slowest car we have because it is an automatic, it's hard to get pulled over for speeding in a '90 Ford Escort. I did see the flash go off from the camera in the DC cruiser parked on the side of canal road the other day. I was in the middle of a pack of about 8 cars, all doing 10 over the speed limit. Does anyone know how long DC takes to process and issue tickets from their mobile camera units? Secondly, true story here. There is a judge in Mo. Co. who was Miss Maryland in the 70's while working her way through law school. Apparently if you bring this up when you are in front of her she will dismiss the case just to shut you up. She does not like to be recognized and prefers to maintain the personna of a judge now. Lisa Goddard www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com '95 VFR '97 GSXR 600 From: "Rob Sharp" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Costly Lesson Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 00:00:19 -0500 I got outta my ticket. I took and pass my road test, signed up for the MSF class and got a support deposition for the judge all before I had my court date. I walked up to the judge and said, "you may want to read this" and then handed him my supporting deposition from the ADA of my county in NY. He read it and dismissed my ticket. He didn't let a single other person off while I was there. Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 20:19:10 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Costly Lesson Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:19:01 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79939a96bd24694068b2de57adc9e141e8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Mike B pontificated: > "Getting out of a ticket" is only right if you aren't guilty. [Dave] WRONG. Getting convicted of a ticket is only right if you are guilty, and, the State has proven so beyond a reasonable doubt. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 21:49:31 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:49:36 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Costly Lesson...and oil paddles At 04:34 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote: >2 cents: I've often considered speeding tickets, which are the ones I >tend to get, my fine for not paying attention or drawing attention to >myself. Yeah. On the other hand, if you are paying enough attention to what's going on to avoid getting caught, you are probably paying enough attention not to be much of a hazard anyway. :^) >Now I just speed with everyone else and no problems. That's what I do. I'm not the slowest one on the road, or the fastest, and I don't drive a really loud vehicle, or one with flashy colors. Blend in, and let them chase the more flamboyant... :^) BTW - I was just up at Battley's...that oil change gimmick I mentioned a few days ago is made by Revtech. $19.95. It's basically a flat piece of orange plastic shaped more or less like a small boat paddle. The end where the oar handle would attach has a bit of a cutout/hook deal on one side, presumably to let you hang it in the proper position. The shape is slightly more complex than what I've described, but not much. Duplicating it in aluminum shouldn't be tough if you want to save the $21. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 21:53:33 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:53:39 -0400 To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Costly Lesson At 04:16 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >Mike B thought aloud: >> >>I'm still not sure I think that sort of thing should happen, >>as it only encouraged him to keep driving recklessly, but >>whatever. > >[Dave] what kind of thing? The jury trial? reduced charge? Letting him off easy like that. >I say nicely done. Not going to court and fighting merely >encourages the State to write more and more BS tickets to all >of us. If the ticket is BS, then I'd say fight it to the death. The state shouldn't be allowed to get away with that sort of thing. On the other hand, 115 in a 55 zone? That's just plain dangerous when there are other vehicles around, no matter how sporty the one you are driving is, or how good a driver you are. There are reasons for traffic laws, and when you are that far outside the limits, and you get caught, you shouldn't get let off easy, ever. That sort of thing leads to dead motorcyclists and indicted North Dakota Congresscritters... -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 22:01:49 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:00:52 -0400 To: "Dave Yates" , "DC-Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Costly Lesson At 08:19 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >Mike B pontificated: > >> "Getting out of a ticket" is only right if you aren't guilty. > >[Dave] WRONG. Getting convicted of a ticket is only right if you are >guilty, and, the State has proven so beyond a reasonable doubt. Go check the law on that one. It's a civil situation, not a criminal one. "Preponderance of the evidence" is the standard, not "reasonable doubt". That aside, I could live with it your way. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 23:22:27 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:21:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: Mike Bartman , Dave Yates , DC-Cycles --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 08:19 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: > >Mike B pontificated: > > > >> "Getting out of a ticket" is only right if you aren't > guilty. > > > >[Dave] WRONG. Getting convicted of a ticket is only > right if you are > >guilty, and, the State has proven so beyond a reasonable > doubt. > > Go check the law on that one. It's a civil situation, > not a criminal one. > "Preponderance of the evidence" is the standard, not > "reasonable doubt". dude, if they used that standard we'd never win. rethink that one. -- tg ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940-A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 08:26:43 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:26:33 EDT Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/1/2003 4:39:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > Now I just speed with everyone else and no problems. That will not help with photo radar, they just nail everyone and you will not know until a week or so later. (After you have ridden past the same spot again once or twice, so they can get you more then once.) But I am not bitter. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 08:32:40 2003 Subject: Re: Costly Lesson...and oil paddles From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 02 Oct 2003 08:28:31 -0400 On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 21:49, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 04:34 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote: > BTW - I was just up at Battley's...that oil change gimmick I mentioned a > few days ago is made by Revtech. $19.95. It's basically a flat piece of > orange plastic shaped more or less like a small boat paddle. The end where > the oar handle would attach has a bit of a cutout/hook deal on one side, > presumably to let you hang it in the proper position. The shape is > slightly more complex than what I've described, but not much. Duplicating > it in aluminum shouldn't be tough if you want to save the $21. > Cool. I'll hit the revtech site and see what it looks like. Thanks. > -- Mike B. > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 08:34:16 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 05:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: lisagoddard , "'DC Cycles'" --- lisagoddard wrote: > > I did see the flash go off from the camera in the DC > cruiser parked on the > side of canal road the other day. I was in the middle of > a pack of about 8 > cars, all doing 10 over the speed limit. Does anyone > know how long DC takes > to process and issue tickets from their mobile camera > units? less than a month.... > Secondly, true story here. There is a judge in Mo. Co. > who was Miss > Maryland in the 70's while working her way through law > school. Apparently > if you bring this up when you are in front of her she > will dismiss the case > just to shut you up. She does not like to be recognized > and prefers to > maintain the personna of a judge now. could you share the info off-list? ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940-A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 08:39:03 2003 Subject: Re: Costly Lesson From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 02 Oct 2003 08:34:57 -0400 On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 08:26, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/1/2003 4:39:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > Now I just speed with everyone else and no problems. > > That will not help with photo radar, they just nail everyone and you will not > know until a week or so later. (After you have ridden past the same spot > again once or twice, so they can get you more then once.) > But I am not bitter. > Do they do photo radar on the freeway? Not that I don't speed in other places but I'm certainly more careful on a city street because of the hazards. The take offs and landings are tough (getting to and from the freeway) and I'm a lot more careful. The flight is fun, again more careful in slower pack traffic. > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 08:47:58 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:47:45 EDT Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/2/2003 8:39:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > Do they do photo radar on the freeway? I-295n. just past exit 2 in DC. Same spot every time so as not to piss off the locals too much. Traffic slows for about 1/2 mile, then goes back up to "normal." If traffic slows near a car parked on the side of the road, take the hint. Still I am not bitter. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 08:54:04 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:53:53 EDT Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/30/2003 7:28:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tchaka@XXXXXX writes: > Judge fined me $250 for the moving then > charged me $200. WTF? The threat of having to pay more is how they discourage you from demanding you right to go to court. I long ago swore I would never go to court without a lawyer, and I will not. But I would rather pay a lawyer $500 then a bullshit ticket for $50. (Not that I have $500, that is the fly in the ointment.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 08:58:02 2003 Subject: Re: Costly Lesson From: Carl Schelin To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 02 Oct 2003 08:53:54 -0400 On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 08:47, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/2/2003 8:39:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > Do they do photo radar on the freeway? > > I-295n. just past exit 2 in DC. Same spot every time so as not to piss off > the locals too much. Traffic slows for about 1/2 mile, then goes back up to > "normal." If traffic slows near a car parked on the side of the road, take the > hint. But that's what I said earlier. I usually pay attention to traffic and will slow down with them. > Still I am not bitter. > No, of course not :-) > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 09:10:14 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:10:02 EDT Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/2/2003 8:58:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > But that's what I said earlier. I usually pay attention to traffic and > will slow down with them. Indeed. The problem is when they first put the damn thing up and no one knows about it. _Everyone_ gets nailed when that happens even though moving _with_ traffic is the safest speed (Or slightly above on a bike, not here to argue that one at this time.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 09:53:59 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:58:19 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: gps On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Chris Weaver wrote: > You should be able to find a Garmin eMap for less. I > have one and it has detailed enough info for most of > the smaller roads around here if you load the detailed > local info into the unit. It's light and pretty small > (about 2.5"x5" give or take). I've got the Emap also, unit works great, my only problem is with Mapsource and its stupid routes. It's routing abilities SUCK. Aside from getting routed on gravel roads, it puts in waypoints all over the place, so if you are going down a highway for any strech of time, you will keep seeing X miles to go, then on to the next strech instead of showing you plotting all my routes, and for the price of the software, its ridiculous. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 09:59:30 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:03:50 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: gps > I've got the Emap also, unit works great, my only problem is with > Mapsource and its stupid routes. It's routing abilities SUCK. Aside from > getting routed on gravel roads, it puts in waypoints all over the place, > so if you are going down a highway for any strech of time, you will keep > seeing X miles to go, then on to the next strech instead of showing you > plotting all my routes, and for the price of the software, its ridiculous. > Looks like something got snipped... should read: ...instead of showing you how far the next turn is. I end up plotting all my routes manually, and... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 11:28:31 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:28:12 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: gps To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I didn't realize mapsource COULD generate a route. I always did my own routing. When I load a route on the eMap it tells me distance to next waypoint and when I'm close it displays "turn approaching". Me, I haven't found a way to diddle with the detail level yet and make a coherant understanding of the display settings. Like getting rid of the little town names that all too often obscure the intersections I'm trying to visualize. I guess I didn't keep the manual. shame on me. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 11:33:08 2003 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:32:52 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Costly Lesson At 09:10 AM 10/2/03 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 10/2/2003 8:58:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > >> But that's what I said earlier. I usually pay attention to traffic and >> will slow down with them. > >Indeed. >The problem is when they first put the damn thing up and no one knows about >it. _Everyone_ gets nailed when that happens even though moving _with_ traffic >is the safest speed (Or slightly above on a bike, not here to argue that one >at this time.) So how about if we lobby to have the law changed? This is a democratic form of government, and democracy is a good thing, right? If everyone on a stretch of road, or at least the majority, think that 75 is a good speed, then that should be the speed limit for that stretch at that time, and only those going significantly slower or faster should get ticketed. If you are "moving with the pack", whether that's 75 or 25, you should be ok, right? At least on limited access highways...not sure I want a lone "voter" in a school zone setting himself a 90 mph speed limit... -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 11:40:42 2003 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'rife@XXXXXX'" Subject: : SV650 for sale Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:44:27 -0400 Contact him, not me Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:47:01 -0400 From: Christopher Rife Subject: OT: SV650 for sale Well, the time has come and I need to part with my SV650. It's a 2001, blue, with just ~3500 miles on it. You can see immediately that I don't have/make enough time to ride, and with a recent job change I could use the funds freed up from the bike for other purposes. Details: It's mechanically stock, with the following enhancements: grip heaters, aux lights, centerstand, windshield, topcase, and some other goodies. Plenty of pictures and a more complete description available at >. I would like to get around $3900 for it, though there is some flexibility. Bike is located in Lansing, MI. Send me an email at rife(at)msu.edu for more info, or give me a call at 517 614 0296. Feel free to pass this on to anyone you feel might be interested. Thanks, Chris PS- if replying to the list, please cc me, as I'm on digest... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 11:49:58 2003 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:49:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: gps At 11:28 AM 10/2/2003, matthew patton wrote: >I didn't realize mapsource COULD generate a route. I always did my own >routing. When I load a route on the eMap it tells me distance to next >waypoint and when I'm close it displays "turn approaching". Me, I >haven't found a way to diddle with the detail level yet and make a >coherant understanding of the display settings. Like getting rid of the >little town names that all too often obscure the intersections I'm >trying to visualize. I guess I didn't keep the manual. shame on me. The Map Source and eMap can not autoroute. You can make the town names very small to not get in the way of routing though. In your settings you can set the font size for waypoints, streets and towns separately. Autorouting moves the price point up around $1k - not worth it for me (yet). Garmin is overpriced for software and memory, but the equipment is good and inexpensive to start with. At least at the eMap and eTrex level. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Submit. Obey. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 12:49:46 2003 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: gps Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:49:41 -0400 > -----Original Message----- > From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:28 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: gps > > visualize. I guess I didn't keep the manual. shame on me. You can always download the manuals from Garmin's web site: http://www.garmin.com/support/userManual.jsp Wes From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 12:59:05 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:59:00 -0400 (EDT) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: gps On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Troutman wrote: > The Map Source and eMap can not autoroute. You can make the town names Garmin mapsource 3.x and earlier can not generate routes, 4.x and newer can. > Autorouting moves the price point up around $1k - not worth it for me > (yet). Garmin is overpriced for software and memory, but the equipment is > good and inexpensive to start with. At least at the eMap and eTrex level. the garmin gps V is $339 with software and will autoroute... a far cry from the $1000 you claim. Admittedly the Etrex at $100 is much less expensive. However, when you add the $90 that the mapping software costs, $339 for the GPS V, vs $190 for the etrex and there is alot of benifit you pick up for the additional money. -J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 13:18:11 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:18:05 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: , matthew patton Subject: Re: gps Perhaps you could get the manual online? Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: matthew patton Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:28:12 -0700 (PDT) >I didn't realize mapsource COULD generate a route. I always did my own >routing. When I load a route on the eMap it tells me distance to next >waypoint and when I'm close it displays "turn approaching". Me, I >haven't found a way to diddle with the detail level yet and make a >coherant understanding of the display settings. Like getting rid of the >little town names that all too often obscure the intersections I'm >trying to visualize. I guess I didn't keep the manual. shame on me. > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 13:19:15 2003 From: "Dan Thompson" To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:19:10 -0400 I am selling my 2002 Yamaha FZ1. I am having to go the cruiser route due to pain in the knees and butt bone. It has 3400 miles, I changed the oil and filter at 600 miles, 1500 miles, and at 3300 miles I went to Mobil 1 15-50 synthetic. It has the GYRT handlebar riser and a carbon fiber Akropovic slip-on (no jetting was required and it runs very well with it). I am asking $6895 or would consider trading for a cruiser type bike. I love the bike, but my body cannot handle it anymore. Danny '78 FJ40 '02 FZ1 '02 XR250R CSBA #150 TLCA #13436 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 13:40:58 2003 Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:41:00 -0500 From: To: I thought the FZ1 was the one of the comfiest bikes I have ever ridden, at least on the knees, did get a little saddle sore though after 400 mile days. Are you going to be happy with a Cruiser's power (lack of)? Don't Cruisers put more weight on the Butt bone? George >>> Dan Thompson 10/02/03 01:19PM >>> I am selling my 2002 Yamaha FZ1. I am having to go the cruiser route due to pain in the knees and butt bone From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 13:46:25 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:15:22 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: gps To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >The Map Source and eMap can not autoroute. You can make the >town names very small to not get in the way of routing >though. In your settings you can set the font size for >waypoints, streets and towns separately. [Dave] The eMap is a marriage enhancement tool, I don't care what anybody says... While you can't autoroute with eMap, you can use mapsource to create intersection to intersection routes and upload them. I do this when searching for Lighthouses, because the book directions are wrong about 40% of the time. I'll not worry (most of the time) about interstate & primary route intersections, but I'll hit the "start navigation" when I get close enough and where the turns start becoming more frequent. The eMap "beeps" with turn approaching so it can be used to navigate. It can also navigate from "tracks" which can be saved on the device itself. The rub with tracks is that it's a 'breadcrumb' trail of where you've already been. What I've been doing with Mapsource is to have it open simultaneously with Mapngo and a web mapping service, and just make the route in mapsource comparing the different maps. It can be time consuming, but does help keep from getting lost... > >Autorouting moves the price point up around $1k - not worth >it for me (yet). Garmin is overpriced for software and >memory, but the equipment is good and inexpensive to start >with. At least at the eMap and eTrex level. [Dave] Now, if we could just get a Heads up display... ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 14:33:44 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:33:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've ridden a Honda Magna 750, and those bikes actually have quite a bit of stomp. The engine is from the VFR750, so it ought to. Danny, you had a VFR800 and like it, so maybe that's a possibility? I recall that the ground clearance wasn't too good, but that's a cruiser for you. (shrug) Ought to be able to find one for a very reasonable price. Chris --- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > Are you going to be happy with a Cruiser's power > (lack of)? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 14:52:02 2003 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:51:57 -0400 From: Stephen Miller To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike The only complaint I've heard about Magnas is the VTR-like touring range (or lack thereof). On Thursday, October 02, 2003, at 02:33PM, Chris Weaver wrote: >I've ridden a Honda Magna 750, and those bikes >actually have quite a bit of stomp. The engine is from >the VFR750, so it ought to. Danny, you had a VFR800 >and like it, so maybe that's a possibility? I recall >that the ground clearance wasn't too good, but that's >a cruiser for you. (shrug) Ought to be able to find >one for a very reasonable price. > >Chris > >--- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: >> Are you going to be happy with a Cruiser's power >> (lack of)? > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 15:59:19 2003 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:59:11 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Stephen Miller wrote: > > The only complaint I've heard about Magnas is the VTR-like touring range (or lack thereof). having owned a v65 magna, I can attest to to lack of range. When I got it, I asked the previous owner what the range was, having come from a GS550E. he said, "bout 120-130 miles, depending on how hard you get into it." How far can you go on reserve? "As soon as the light comes on, find gas or you're walking." I usually got around 30 MPG out of it, mostly due to excessive twisting of the fun-meter. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 16:19:37 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Skip'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:22:26 -0400 Seems quite a few bikes are like this, including the Hawk. The twisty thing on the right sure is a lot of fun. Unfortunately, when used as a binary switch, you get <30 MPG and *total* range of ~100 miles, reserve at 90. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk - braaap 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip [SMTP:skip@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:59 PM > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike > > > > Stephen Miller wrote: > > > > The only complaint I've heard about Magnas is the VTR-like touring range > (or lack thereof). > > having owned a v65 magna, I can attest to to lack of range. When I got > it, I > asked the previous owner what the range was, having come from a GS550E. > he > said, "bout 120-130 miles, depending on how hard you get into it." How > far can > you go on reserve? > "As soon as the light comes on, find gas or you're walking." > > I usually got around 30 MPG out of it, mostly due to excessive twisting of > the > fun-meter. > > --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 16:22:55 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:22:18 EDT Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/2/2003 11:33:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > and only > those going significantly slower or faster should get ticketed. I seem to recall someone on this list mentioning a _federal_ statute requiring 80% compliance for a speed limit to be valid. In other words, already been done. I could be way off on that and would like more information on it one way or the other. But you are right, speeds significantly over _traffic_ (or under) are what should be getting tickets, not some arbitrary speed, or worse an artificially low speed whose only purpose it to generate income. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 16:31:21 2003 From: "Charlie Ozark" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: compression test Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:19:58 -0400 does anyone on this board have a compression-tester-gauge-tool I could borrow, or perhaps rent, say for the cost of a beer at a local bar? i'm in downtown dc (where the moto is currently non-moto, see also, SV325), but can probably take the GF's cage to meet you. please ping me off list. thanks. C. >From: Chris Weaver >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:33:40 -0700 (PDT) > >I've ridden a Honda Magna 750, and those bikes >actually have quite a bit of stomp. The engine is from >the VFR750, so it ought to. Danny, you had a VFR800 >and like it, so maybe that's a possibility? I recall >that the ground clearance wasn't too good, but that's >a cruiser for you. (shrug) Ought to be able to find >one for a very reasonable price. > >Chris > >--- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > > Are you going to be happy with a Cruiser's power > > (lack of)? > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 16:35:22 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:35:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: 'Circles' in Northern VA on Sunday afternoon. To: DCCycles As of this afternoon, the weather channel says Sunday afternoon Ocotober 5 will be partly cloudy with a high of 63)B° F. I plan to bring two Ninja 250s to the new part of the commuter parking lot at Exit 158 of I-95 from 2PM to 6PM. The lot is between I-95 and Telegraph Road just south of Prince William Parkway. I'll have a braking lane set up that is similar to the one in the MSF course. I'll have a large figure 8 so people can practice leaning and hanging off at reasonably sane speeds (I haven't seen anyone get much over 25 mph on the figure 8.) And I'll have the 3 tight interlocking circles so my 10 year old daughter and her bicycle can compete with the motorcycles for time. C'mon down and ride. Contact number for Sunday if you get lost is 703-470-1167 Leon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 16:46:18 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:46:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: [SPIFFY] Russian On Round-the-World Trip on Jawa 350 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Quite a long-distance traveller, this guy. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10248826&BRD=1977&PAG=461&dept_id=187985&rfi=6 None of my submissions to Fark seem to go anywhere, but I guess this is the next best thing. Chris Weaver __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 17:00:03 2003 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:55:55 -0400 To: , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike At 12:41 PM 10/2/03 -0500, George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: >Are you going to be happy with a Cruiser's power (lack of)? Not all cruisers are underpowered. Check out the custom ones made for S&S's 45th anniversary (and Harley's 100th). 145ci V-twin. Something on the order of 189 hp and 185 ft/lb on the dyno. Cory Ness's design went to dual rear belts to handle the load, with a really wide rear tire (I think it was a 280, but I'd have to go dig up the Hot Bikes issue that described them all to be sure). >Don't Cruisers put more weight on the Butt bone? Yeah, probably. They also tend to put more padding on the seats... :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 17:06:42 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:18:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Mike Bartman Cc: , Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 12:41 PM 10/2/03 -0500, George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > > >Are you going to be happy with a Cruiser's power (lack of)? > > Not all cruisers are underpowered. Check out the custom ones made for > S&S's 45th anniversary (and Harley's 100th). 145ci V-twin. Something on > the order of 189 hp and 185 ft/lb on the dyno. Cory Ness's design went to > dual rear belts to handle the load, with a really wide rear tire (I think > it was a 280, but I'd have to go dig up the Hot Bikes issue that described > them all to be sure). And what is the price tag for that "189hp" machine that can't out accelerate a stock literbike? ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 17:58:30 2003 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:58:31 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: tomorrow@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Triumph S3 and Two MZs for sale For sale; personal reasons: 1999 Triumph Speed Triple 955i. Black, 9,300 miles. Second local owner. Includes genuine Triumph accessories: flyscreen, passenger seat cowl, tankbag, rear stand, carbon fiber low-mount sport pipe, rear fender hugger, front fender extension, front fork stone guards, and factory workshop manual. New Dunlop D208 GP compound tires. Napolean Baren bar-end mirrors. K&N GP Touring bend superbike handlebar. Functional side-scoop screens in stainless steel mesh. Never down, never dropped, always Motul full synthetic oil. Set of brand new factory front and rear brake pads ($129 for the set, and much better than any aftermarket pads I've ever used.) I will admit to indifferent chain care. Also, this bike features full 1997 Triumph Speed Triple bodywork, indistinguishable from 1999 except for the size of the lettering on the tailpiece and the model designation "T509" also on the tailpiece. I had a '97 before this '99, and the buyer of my '97 wanted "perfect" plastic. The '97 plastic is in merely "very good" shape. No cracks, scrapes, rash, or anything like that, just some hazing in the clearcoat from the tankbag straps and pad, and on the tailpiece from a rear seat tailbag. Will sell with your choice of the stock Triumph "bug-eye" dual headlamps or my single headlamp conversion using stock Triumph parts from other late-model Triumphs; will not include both headlight set-ups. $4,400 firm. 2002 MZ660 Skorpion Tour bought new earlier this year. Blue. Stock. 1,200 miles. 660cc 5-valve Yamaha Genesis 4-stroke single sylinder engine. Liquid cooled, electric start, monoshock, 3-spoke mag wheels, tubeless 17" tires, disk brakes front and rear, factory stainless steel brake lines. Includes M4 Titanium exhaust; brand new except 15 test miles on it (too loud for my tastes). Never down. Oil changed to Motul full synthetic at 600 miles. $3,300 firm. 2002 MZ125RT bought earlier this year. 125cc Street bike. Second owner. 2,500 miles, black, excellent condition. Electric start, dual overhead cam 125cc four stroke single with 10,000 rpm redline, monoshock, 3-spoke mag wheels, tubeless 17" tires, disk brakes front and rear, factory stainless steel brake lines, full instrumentation including tach, 6-speed transmission, 12-volt electrics, 60 mpg and 70+ mph top speed. Fun bike. $1,400 firm. All three bikes appearing in the Washington Post classifieds starting Saturday at the same prices listed above. All three bikes owned clear, have clean titles, current Virginia registration. Tim Morrow 703.795.8882 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 18:06:07 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:53:05 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX John said: > >I seem to recall someone on this list mentioning a _federal_ >statute requiring 80% compliance for a speed limit to be >valid. In other words, already been done. >I could be way off on that and would like more information >on it one way or the other. [Dave] "Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices". Essentially, a DOT set of standards. Good news, bad news. If you're issued a ticket for exceeding the posted speed limit, there needs to be several things in order for a successful prosecution. A law enforcing the limit by statute, and an engineering study in support of the limit. If the limit was lowered recently, this should be easy to prove or disprove. States comply with the MUTCD in order to not be denied federal $$$ for transportation. Bad news: The weakest section of MUTCD is that of determining & enforcing speed limits. This is paraphrasing from the NMA members only section... There's way more to it obviously... I personally have never used this in court, but the NMA routinely prints letters from people who (allegedly) have... HTH Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 18:14:14 2003 Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:13:00 -0500 From: To: , I don't think Danny wants to spend 20K+ on a cruiser. We are talking production bikes here, and comparing to a FZ1 (which is a fast mofo) >>> Mike Bartman 10/02/03 04:55PM >>> At 12:41 PM 10/2/03 -0500, George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: >Are you going to be happy with a Cruiser's power (lack of)? Not all cruisers are underpowered. Check out the custom ones made for S&S's 45th anniversary (and Harley's 100th). 145ci V-twin. Something on the order of 189 hp and 185 ft/lb on the dyno. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 19:45:04 2003 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Roll Call! Who's running LMS Track Day Monday? Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:45:45 -0400 We think we have a professional videographer coming. Gonna be a cool one! Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 21:21:57 2003 From: "lisagoddard" To: "'DC Cycles'" , , Subject: FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:14:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:33:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've ridden a Honda Magna 750, and those bikes actually have quite a bit of stomp. The engine is from the VFR750, so it ought to. Danny, you had a VFR800 and like it, so maybe that's a possibility? I recall that the ground clearance wasn't too good, but that's a cruiser for you. (shrug) Ought to be able to find one for a very reasonable price. Chris --- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > Are you I have to agree with Chris Weaver. I have ridden a shaft Magna, can't remember if it was 1100 or 1200. Extremely smooth bike, and a very deceptive bike because the acceleration was so smooth. Lisa From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 21:35:13 2003 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:34:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Leon Begeman CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: 'Circles' in Northern VA on Sunday afternoon. Leon Begeman wrote: > I plan to bring two Ninja 250s to the new > part of the commuter parking lot at Exit 158 of I-95 > from 2PM to 6PM. Crap. Gonna be out of town this weekend. At least I'll be able to take the bike when I go. Have fun. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 21:41:22 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "lisagoddard" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Magna, was Re: FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:41:18 -0400 The Magna engines are detuned slightly compared the VFR. Identical bore and stroke as the VFR750 engine, but with a slightly lower compression ratio. Translates to about ten missing ponies on the top end. Smallish gas tank will have you stopping a lot. 3.6 gallons vs. 5.5 for the Viffer. http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mchonda/magna.html Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: "lisagoddard" To: "'DC Cycles'" ; ; Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:14 PM Subject: FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:33:40 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chris Weaver > Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > I've ridden a Honda Magna 750, and those bikes > actually have quite a bit of stomp. The engine is from > the VFR750, so it ought to. Danny, you had a VFR800 > and like it, so maybe that's a possibility? I recall > that the ground clearance wasn't too good, but that's > a cruiser for you. (shrug) Ought to be able to find > one for a very reasonable price. > > Chris > > --- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > > Are you > > I have to agree with Chris Weaver. I have ridden a shaft Magna, can't > remember if it was 1100 or 1200. Extremely smooth bike, and a very > deceptive bike because the acceleration was so smooth. > > Lisa > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 21:49:13 2003 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:48:54 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Chris Weaver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [SPIFFY] Russian On Round-the-World Trip on Jawa 350 Chris Weaver wrote: > > Quite a long-distance traveller, this guy. > > http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10248826&BRD=1977&PAG=461&dept_id=187985&rfi=6 I met this guy out in Missoula, he showed up for the Iron Butt Rally Finish. Had bunches of pictures of all his journeys so far. The bike was a real piece of work, too. Two big igloo-type chest coolers strapped to the sides of the bike like saddlebags...interesting. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 21:53:00 2003 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:52:51 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Mike Bartman CC: George.Cole@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Mike Bartman wrote: > Not all cruisers are underpowered. Magna 1100 Vmax Valkyrie - all had decent motors. The Vmax supposedly has a hinge hidden somewhere in the frame, though. =8-o > Check out the custom ones made for > S&S's 45th anniversary (and Harley's 100th). 145ci V-twin. Something on > the order of 189 hp and 185 ft/lb on the dyno. Cool. How many days does that motor last before blowing up? Or is it measured in hours now? -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 21:55:45 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: MFI openhouse on Sat To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MFI has solidly taken 1st place as the best local dealer in my book (over CycleSport Alexandria) by their efforts to get me fork springs on zero notice. And their prices on boots beat the online community by a significant amount. But any how the big open house is Sat from 9-5. The Joe Rocket guy will be on-site and they should be brimming with product if you need something. ===== * Love, not time, heals all wounds. * No one is perfect until you fall in love with them. And then when they aren't perfect anymore, love makes them perfect again. * Everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it * You can not forgive unless you first love. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 22:08:42 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MFI openhouse on Sat Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:08:34 -0400 OK, I'm probably being dense, but who is MFI? > > From: matthew patton > Date: 2003/10/02 Thu PM 09:55:06 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: MFI openhouse on Sat > > MFI has solidly taken 1st place as the best local dealer in my book > (over CycleSport Alexandria) by their efforts to get me fork springs on > zero notice. And their prices on boots beat the online community by a > significant amount. But any how the big open house is Sat from 9-5. The > Joe Rocket guy will be on-site and they should be brimming with product > if you need something. > > ===== > * Love, not time, heals all wounds. > > * No one is perfect until you fall in love with them. And then when they aren't perfect anymore, love makes them perfect again. > > * Everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it > > * You can not forgive unless you first love. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > Bob Meyer '92 ST1100, "Candy Glory Red", STOC # 1157 '02 919, "Asphalt" If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 00:44:39 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:44:51 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Cc: At 05:18 PM 10/2/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: >> Not all cruisers are underpowered. Check out the custom ones made for >> S&S's 45th anniversary (and Harley's 100th). 145ci V-twin. Something on >> the order of 189 hp and 185 ft/lb on the dyno. Cory Ness's design went to >> dual rear belts to handle the load, with a really wide rear tire (I think >> it was a 280, but I'd have to go dig up the Hot Bikes issue that described >> them all to be sure). > >And what is the price tag for that "189hp" machine that can't out >accelerate a stock literbike? ;-) I think they are going for about half a million plus, why? How many you want? :^) They were limited edition, custom bikes made with limited production engines at the request of S&S by some of the best custom bike builders around. Each builder made something like 9 of them, and that's it. Really nice bikes though...especially the Cory Ness one. As for acceleration, I don't know that anyone has tried racing them, but I'd expect the it to be pretty good given the torque and tire size. Even with the weight of a cruiser. The main problem is going to be finding a sticky enough tire not to just burn... -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 08:18:39 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:30:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > As for acceleration, I don't know that anyone has tried racing them, but > I'd expect the it to be pretty good given the torque and tire size. Even > with the weight of a cruiser. The main problem is going to be finding a > sticky enough tire not to just burn... > > -- Mike B. Some of my friends have motorcycles that make 240-300hp. They can get down the track pretty good on a normal street tire. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 08:22:30 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 08:11:16 -0400 Why do they mess w/ the engine on Magna from the VFR and the FZ1 from the R1??? WHY?! >From: "Paul Wilson" >To: "lisagoddard" , "'DC Cycles'" > >Subject: Magna, was Re: FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:41:18 -0400 > >The Magna engines are detuned slightly compared the VFR. Identical bore >and >stroke as the VFR750 engine, but with a slightly lower compression ratio. >Translates to about ten missing ponies on the top end. Smallish gas tank >will have you stopping a lot. 3.6 gallons vs. 5.5 for the Viffer. > >http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mchonda/magna.html _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your existing Internet access and enjoy patented spam protection and more. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 08:50:28 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:50:24 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Rich asked: >Why do they mess w/ the engine on Magna from the VFR and the >FZ1 from the R1??? WHY?! > [Dave] For the same reason that GM will not produce a car, stock, which will whip the corvette. Never embarass your flagship with a less expensive, more mundane model. Remember the Buick Grand National, which begat the GNX ? Notice how the Fbody GM's came with essentially the same engine, but less horsepower / tq than the 'Vette? Fast Forward to '99. Ford modified both the Mustang 'Cobra' and reintroduced the Lightning. Unfortunately, the 5000 pound lightning routinely handed the Cobra it's a$$ at the track and in magazine test after magazine test, even after the problems were worked out with the Mustang... I think there was also some SVT politics going on that year too... I think they made a statement with the lightning to get the bean counters out of the performance arena... Ask yourself this - if you could get a bike with the same powerplant as the CBRGSXZXFZWHATEVER literbike for ... $1800 - 2200 less than the "flagship" uber sport bike, which would you buy? Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:03:12 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 09:03:03 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 Dave Yates wrote: > Ask yourself this - if you could get a bike with the same > powerplant as the CBRGSXZXFZWHATEVER literbike for ... > $1800 - 2200 less than the "flagship" uber sport bike and most likely a more comfortable riding position... > which would you buy? The one with shaft drive. :) -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:10:42 2003 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:05:02 -0400 I'm not sure cruiser is for you if you have pain in the butt bone. Cruisers have foot peg/board out in front and all the bumps from the road will hit the butt instead of absorbing with your legs on non-cruiser bike. Since you have pain in the knees as well, how about V-Strom 1000/650 or go thumper with KLR650? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Thompson" To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike > I am selling my 2002 Yamaha FZ1. I am having to go the cruiser route due to > pain in the knees and butt bone. It has 3400 miles, I changed the oil and > filter at 600 miles, 1500 miles, and at 3300 miles I went to Mobil 1 15-50 > synthetic. It has the GYRT handlebar riser and a carbon fiber Akropovic > slip-on (no jetting was required and it runs very well with it). I am asking > $6895 or would consider trading for a cruiser type bike. I love the bike, > but my body cannot handle it anymore. > > Danny > '78 FJ40 > '02 FZ1 > '02 XR250R > CSBA #150 > TLCA #13436 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:14:26 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 06:14:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Also, don't forget that the VFR is geared for something like 150 or 160mph top end. Nobody who buys a Magna (or very few at least) would want to go that fast on it. It makes little sense to waste those revs on top speeds that will never be used. Therefore, the manufacturers change the characteristics of the engine cams/gearing/compression/etc. to make the bike work better for its intended market segment. These changes are most pronounced on extremely dissimilar bikes like the VFR and Magna, less pronounced on bikes more similar like the R1/FZ1. Makes sense to me. Chris Weaver --- Dave Yates wrote: > Rich asked: > >Why do they mess w/ the engine on Magna from the > VFR and the > >FZ1 from the R1??? WHY?! > > > > [Dave] For the same reason that GM will not produce > a car, > stock, which will whip the corvette. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:25:17 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:25:10 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hork contributed: >> which would you buy? > >The one with shaft drive. :) [Dave] ACK! Cage features ! What's next? Cupholders?! ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:30:03 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 06:30:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: MFI openhouse on Sat To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Motorcycle Factory, Inc. http://www.motorcyclefactoryinc.com/ 3820 Prince William County Parkway Woodbridge, VA 22192 Local: (703) 583-9600 Toll Free: (866) 583-9600 E-mail: info@XXXXXX Cheers, Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:32:27 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:30:56 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Chris replied: >Also, don't forget that the VFR is geared for >something like 150 or 160mph top end. ... the >manufacturers change the characteristics of the engine >cams/gearing/compression/etc. to make the bike work >better for its intended market segment. [Dave] This has been the subject of much consternation in moto rags for years now. "Give us a standard with Sthandard power!" Manufacturers protests to the contrary, most of their efforts did not perform "better for it's intended market" or use. They were just, slower, less powerful, with poorer handling characteristics... The 2 efforts I can think of off the top of my head that _were_ good efforts were the Triumph 955 S3 and the Aprilia standards... Then Yam, Kaw & Honda jumped in, but their bikes, while very good efforts, ARE detuned from the root bike... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:33:50 2003 From: "Keiser, Rudy" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: MFI openhouse on Sat Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:43:26 -0400 I got a flyer from MFI too.. Here's some info: Saturday October 4 Motorcycle Factory, Inc. 3820 Prince William Parkway Woodbridge, VA 22192 703-583-9600 www.motorcyclefactoryinc.com They are a Kawasaki and Honda dealer. "free food and drinks" "All in stock units $5 over our dealer invoice" "20% off all parts and accessorises including special orders" "30% off Dunlop Street Tires and 50% off all tire mounting of tires purchased at mfi on Oct 4" "$29.95 oil change any street bike" "go for a free test ride on the new GL1800 goldwing or a shadow 750" ----------- my comments ------- My wife and I have had a good experience dealing with MFI at these open houses. We special ordered some clothing as well as bought some in-stock accessories. Good for things like visors for helmuts that even the mail order places tend not to discount. They are not a huge dealer but were very friendly compared to the usual other area dealers. Rudy '01 SV650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:37:04 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 09:36:55 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 Dave Yates wrote: > >The one with shaft drive. :) > > [Dave] ACK! Cage features ! What's next? Cupholders?! :) -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 10:05:50 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:03:34 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 Dave Yates wrote: > Hork contributed: > >> which would you buy? > > > >The one with shaft drive. :) > > [Dave] ACK! Cage features ! What's next? Cupholders?! > > ;-) > Dave Yates Yes! Cupholders! Check out Gold Wings, gimballed cupholders on dern near every one. Be nice and blow the Dunkin' Doughnuts suger dust offa the Gold Winger's dash when you look at those cute cupholders... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 10:16:10 2003 From: "Dan Thompson" To: "Shigeru Honda" Cc: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:15:57 -0400 Shigeru, Yes, this is something that I have thought about, but riding in my car doesn't hurt the tail bone so maybe a cruiser won't either. I have also thought about the V-strom (or similar) route, even to the point of looking into the Suzuki Bergman 650... I'll just have to see. Of course I first have to sell the FZ1. Danny '78 FJ40 '02 FZ1 '02 XR250R CSBA #150 TLCA #13436 -----Original Message----- From: Shigeru Honda [mailto:shonda3@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:05 AM To: Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike I'm not sure cruiser is for you if you have pain in the butt bone. Cruisers have foot peg/board out in front and all the bumps from the road will hit the butt instead of absorbing with your legs on non-cruiser bike. Since you have pain in the knees as well, how about V-Strom 1000/650 or go thumper with KLR650? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Thompson" To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike > I am selling my 2002 Yamaha FZ1. I am having to go the cruiser route due to > pain in the knees and butt bone. It has 3400 miles, I changed the oil and > filter at 600 miles, 1500 miles, and at 3300 miles I went to Mobil 1 15-50 > synthetic. It has the GYRT handlebar riser and a carbon fiber Akropovic > slip-on (no jetting was required and it runs very well with it). I am asking > $6895 or would consider trading for a cruiser type bike. I love the bike, > but my body cannot handle it anymore. > > Danny > '78 FJ40 > '02 FZ1 > '02 XR250R > CSBA #150 > TLCA #13436 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 10:36:26 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:35:59 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Bill illuminated for all to see: >Yes! Cupholders! Check out Gold Wings, gimballed cupholders >on dern near every one. Be nice and blow the Dunkin' >Doughnuts suger dust offa the Gold Winger's dash when you >look at those cute cupholders... > [Dave] We're doomed as a species. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 10:54:21 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 09:54:23 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 Dave Yates wrote: >Fast Forward to '99. Ford modified both the Mustang 'Cobra' >and reintroduced the Lightning. Unfortunately, the 5000 >pound lightning routinely handed the Cobra it's a$$ at the >track and in magazine test after magazine test, even after >the problems were worked out with the Mustang... But this was at the drag-strip, not a road course, right? -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:05:13 2003 Subject: Evolution/Morning Ride (was: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1) From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 03 Oct 2003 11:01:02 -0400 On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 10:35, Dave Yates wrote: > Bill illuminated for all to see: > > >Yes! Cupholders! Check out Gold Wings, gimballed cupholders > >on dern near every one. Be nice and blow the Dunkin' > >Doughnuts suger dust offa the Gold Winger's dash when you > >look at those cute cupholders... > > > > [Dave] We're doomed as a species. > Survival of the fittest. Eventually we'll be taken over by the first group of fit attackers. > Dave Yates > OBJMoto: Two items while coming in this morning: 1. Guy stopped on the side of the road just past Occoquan in HOV. I had the space and saw him in time so I changed lanes and stopped. His bike had died and he couldn't restart it. He tried it and it just clicked. I offered him a ride that he first said ok to and then bailed on, he had to go south. He said he would call his girlfriend. I offered my cell but he had one. "Good luck" and I bailed out. 2. North of Duke, south of Seminary I was behind a line of 8 cars in the left lane. A bus followed by a tow truck slowly heading down the right lane. After we finished passing the bus, I waited (the cabbie in front of me tried to change earlier). When no one showed their intention of moving to the right lane, now clear to the head of the 8 car line of cars, I signaled, moved right and moved out. About half way up the line of traffic, as I was passing him, someone in a gold mid-sized car started moving over. I saw his mirror as I went by and flicked the wrist to get out of his way. A quick finger wave as I cleared him and then he flipped on his lights and high beams. He got behind me and followed me up to the Wash Blvd exit and left. Side note: A friend here at the office was in the regular lanes and saw it (how weird is that). His comment was that I made the GSXR look small :-) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:40:34 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:40:25 -0400 To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 At 09:25 AM 10/3/03 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >Hork contributed: >>> which would you buy? >> >>The one with shaft drive. :) > >[Dave] ACK! Cage features ! What's next? Cupholders?! Umm...RAM makes a cupholder attachment...and with their Gizmo adapter, you can even have that AND a GPS/Radar Detector/CB or whatever on the same mount! :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 12:10:29 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Subject: Cupholders, was Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:09:40 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Bartman" To: "Dave Yates" ; Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 > At 09:25 AM 10/3/03 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: > >Hork contributed: > >>> which would you buy? > >> > >>The one with shaft drive. :) > > > >[Dave] ACK! Cage features ! What's next? Cupholders?! > > Umm...RAM makes a cupholder attachment...and with their Gizmo adapter, you > can even have that AND a GPS/Radar Detector/CB or whatever on the same > mount! :^) > > -- Mike B. > Don't laugh, I need a double RAM mount to use my GPS and XM receiver simultaneously. My cupholder is a CamelBak. Paul in DC 95 VFR750, the souped up Magna ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:01:15 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:01:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Also, don't forget that the VFR is geared for > something like 150 or 160mph top end. Nobody who buys > a Magna (or very few at least) would want to go that > fast on it. dysart! -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:12:33 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:12:23 EDT Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/2/2003 6:14:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dave@XXXXXX writes: > Bad news: The > weakest section of MUTCD is that of determining & enforcing > speed limits. > > This is paraphrasing from the NMA members only section... Hmmmm. That seems interesting. I think I see a "poison pill" in the districts own statements about the need for photo speed enforcement (one that proves they could not possibly be in compliance with the 80% rule.) I just may have to join NMA and see if I can muddy the water a bit #:-}> John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:42:29 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:42:14 EDT Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/3/2003 8:25:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, richallmc@XXXXXX writes: > Why do they mess w/ the engine on Magna from the VFR and the FZ1 from the > R1??? WHY?! How about because it is not the same bike? The Magna does not handle like the VFR. Why do they mess w/ the frame from the VFR???..... WHY?! The Magna does not have the same ergonomics as the VFR Why do they mess w/ the ergonomics of the VFR???..... WHY?! The Magna does not look like the VFR. Why do they mess w/ the looks of the VFR???..... WHY?! If you want a VFR buy a VFR, if you want a Magna then you do not want a VFR you want a Magna. Different strokes for different folks. Loud pipes quell cells. 20-20 hindsight shows the future if you are not careful. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:45:31 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:45:10 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cy