From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 07:04:01 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 04:03:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: gps To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX i'm looking for a relatively cheap gps to swap back and forth between the duc and the xr. i don't need color or detailed city information. will the garmin gps iii+ do (ebay for ~$200). i basically do all of my riding on the east coast between georgia and new jersey (between the coast and 500 miles inland). ideally i'd like a system that doesn't require me to keep f-ing with basemaps to be useful. thanks in advance for any feedback. -- tg ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940-A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 07:33:08 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:33:03 -0400 (EDT) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: gps On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > i'm looking for a relatively cheap gps to swap back and > forth between the duc and the xr. i don't need color or > detailed city information. > > will the garmin gps iii+ do (ebay for ~$200). i basically > do all of my riding on the east coast between georgia and > new jersey (between the coast and 500 miles inland). > ideally i'd like a system that doesn't require me to keep > f-ing with basemaps to be useful. > what do you want the GPS to do? If you want info like your current position is N45'45.67" W38'45.12" or major interstate roads yes. It also includes city information for population centers of 200,000 or more people (at the time the unit was built). I think unless you are an interstate traveler, or a dirt biker who travels in road less areas you will be unhappy with what the III+ delivers. -J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 07:42:05 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 04:42:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: Tchaka , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Having worked for a judge (albeit not a traffic judge), they absolutely hate when people waste their time. Not saying that's what you did, but if that's what he perceived, that'd explain it. jib --- Tchaka wrote: > Wow, I sure got a beating in Fairfax Co. Traffic > Court today! Last > month I was stopped and given 2 tickets - one for > failure to obey a hwy > sign and the other for an out of date inspection. I > could (and should) > have prepaid to the tune of $200. Instead I went to > court to plea a > bit. Judge fined me $250 for the moving violation > (he apparently hates > speeders), THEN whammed me on the inspection. I > didn't know it had > expired and in order to pass I have to replace a > blinker, ended up with > the wrong one from Dennis Kirk so I couldn't get it > done yet. I asked > the judge for a continuance so I could complete it. > He denied it then > charged me $200. WTF? > > T > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 08:18:35 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:18:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Thompson Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: Isaac Blanck , Tchaka , dc-cycles@XXXXXX This is a bit off the current topic, but certainly a costly lesson http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/6864656.htm Nick --- Isaac Blanck wrote: > Having worked for a judge (albeit not a traffic > judge), they absolutely hate when people waste their > time. Not saying that's what you did, but if that's > what he perceived, that'd explain it. jib > --- Tchaka wrote: > > Wow, I sure got a beating in Fairfax Co. Traffic > > Court today! Last > > month I was stopped and given 2 tickets - one for > > failure to obey a hwy > > sign and the other for an out of date inspection. > I > > could (and should) > > have prepaid to the tune of $200. Instead I went > to > > court to plea a > > bit. Judge fined me $250 for the moving violation > > (he apparently hates > > speeders), THEN whammed me on the inspection. I > > didn't know it had > > expired and in order to pass I have to replace a > > blinker, ended up with > > the wrong one from Dennis Kirk so I couldn't get > it > > done yet. I asked > > the judge for a continuance so I could complete > it. > > He denied it then > > charged me $200. WTF? > > > > T > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > > search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 08:47:55 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:47:50 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Rob pointed out: >I got outta my ticket. I took and pass my road test, signed >up for the MSF class and got a support deposition for the >judge all before I had my court date. > >I walked up to the judge and said, "you may want to read >this" and then handed him my supporting deposition from the >ADA of my county in NY. He read it and dismissed my ticket. > >He didn't let a single other person off while I was there. [Dave] I've seen a lot of people come with "guilty with explanation" pleas, etc., and not once have I seen one end with a verdict other than guilty. The good thing about going prepared to try your case is that not only are you able to soak the prosecuting jurisdiction for at least 1/2 hour of the court staff's time, you get to deny them the ability to work through 2 or 3 other cases and fines as well :-) All the better if you or your lawyer have a substantial amount of evidence to present. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 09:01:57 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:29:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Costly Lesson At 08:47 AM 10/1/03 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >[Dave] I've seen a lot of people come with "guilty with >explanation" pleas, etc., and not once have I seen one end >with a verdict other than guilty. But many times, at least here in MD, you're able to walk out with a Probation Before Judgement. Also, I don't know about you, but my insurance rates don't go up from speeding tickets. I suppose that if my wife and I were to get a ton of them we'd see an increase, but a couple every few years doesn't make a single bit of difference. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 09:04:26 2003 Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: Costly Lesson Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:03:09 -0400 State Farm has a policy of 3 tickets/accidents in a 3 year period will cause an increase. My guess is that you also have to have the 3 at the time they do their audit. My brother got caught on that a while back. I figure one a year and I'm golden! ;) -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:29 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Costly Lesson > > > At 08:47 AM 10/1/03 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: > > >[Dave] I've seen a lot of people come with "guilty with > >explanation" pleas, etc., and not once have I seen one end > >with a verdict other than guilty. > > But many times, at least here in MD, you're able to walk out with a > Probation Before Judgement. > > Also, I don't know about you, but my insurance rates don't go up from > speeding tickets. I suppose that if my wife and I were to > get a ton of > them we'd see an increase, but a couple every few years > doesn't make a > single bit of difference. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 09:19:59 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:19:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: gps To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX You should be able to find a Garmin eMap for less. I have one and it has detailed enough info for most of the smaller roads around here if you load the detailed local info into the unit. It's light and pretty small (about 2.5"x5" give or take). RAM makes a mount for it (I have one) that works great. You could get an extra mounting ball and it would make swapping between bikes a very simple affair. Chris Weaver --- Tom Gimer wrote: > i'm looking for a relatively cheap gps to swap back > and > forth between the duc and the xr. i don't need > color or > detailed city information. > > will the garmin gps iii+ do (ebay for ~$200). i > basically > do all of my riding on the east coast between > georgia and > new jersey (between the coast and 500 miles inland). > > ideally i'd like a system that doesn't require me to > keep > f-ing with basemaps to be useful. > > thanks in advance for any feedback. > > -- > tg > > > ===== > Thomas H. Gimer > MURPHY & GIMER, LLC > 7940-A Wisconsin Avenue > Bethesda, MD 20814 > 301 913-0060; 301 913-5415 (fax) > http://www.murphygimer.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 09:21:03 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:21:00 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: drunk driving/riding ok in UK on small bikes Strange. I've heard it's illegal to be drunk and in possession of a bicycle (not even riding it). This looks like an odd loophole. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Euan Fisk" Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:23:25 -0500 >Apparently it's ok to be drunk & ride a motorcycle >in the UK if it's a really small, unlicenced, >unregisterable, uninsurable & you can pick it up: > >http://tinyurl.com/p84g > >-Euan > euan@XXXXXX > >-- >__________________________________________________________ >Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com >http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > >CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search >http://corp.mail.com/careers > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 09:24:57 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:23:52 -0400 From: Skip To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Costly Lesson Dave Yates wrote: > > [Dave] I've seen a lot of people come with "guilty with > explanation" pleas, etc., and not once have I seen one end > with a verdict other than guilty. well, DUH! they're admitting their guilt! Judge: you are charged with speeding. How do you plead? (meaning: You are charged with speeding. did you do it?) Defendant: Guilty with explanation, (meaning: I did it, but lemme tell you why.) Conclusion: the pig says you did it, you say you did it... you must have done it. > The good thing about going > prepared to try your case is that not only are you able to > soak the prosecuting jurisdiction for at least 1/2 hour of > the court staff's time, you get to deny them the ability to > work through 2 or 3 other cases and fines as well :-) All the > better if you or your lawyer have a substantial amount of > evidence to present. the only way you will EVER get a "not guilty" verdict is to plead "not guilty". --skip, been to court a time or two From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 09:28:44 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:28:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Ninja 250? To: Rob Sharp , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think the reviewer Rob refers to (Robs post included at the end of this message) has confused the Ninja 250 and Nighthawk engines. Rob, if you want to see a Ninja 250 do figure 8's and low-speed turns, I'm doing 'circles' this Sunday 2-6 PM at the commuter lot at I-95 and Prince William Parkway. The Nighthawk has much less power than the Ninja. At low RPMs, the two are probably very close to the same. The difference is that the Ninja 250 motor just keeps making more power as the RPMs go up. The 75 mph top speed that you speak of is with one extra tooth on the front sprocket, huge windscreen, rubbermaid tail trunk, saddlebags, 10 gallon fuel tank and running into the wind at 5000 feet of elevation in Wyoming. Even then, you can increase the speed to 80 by downshifting to 5th gear and getting the engine closer to the HP peak. 75 mph in 6th gear is 8600 RPM, 80 mph in 5th is 10300 RPM. HP peak is around 11,500, redline is at 14,000. When I taught the MSF, NoVa Alexandria had a Ninja 250 in addition to all of the Nighthawks. We avoided using Ninja for students. The problem was that the 'hotdogs' wanted the Ninja rather than the plainer looking Nighthawks. These were the students we constantly had to remind to slow down anyway, giving them the fast bike with the good brakes was asking for trouble. I will agree that the Ninja is a more intimidating bike for beginners than the Nighthawk, it's much more capable and allows the beginner to get into the situations that they would get into with any bigger bike. Leon. --- Rob Sharp wrote: > If you fold the mirrors in it will do 75 on the > highway downhill. You will > get sick of a 250 REAL fast. It's only 23-28 HP. I > think you would like > something in a Vtwin, it's got the low end power so > you can do the figure 8's > and low speed turns and not worry about stalling. > > Quote from a Ninja 250 review: > > Recommendation for Beginning Riders: > http://www.obairlann.net/~reaper/bmw-bike/ninja/review.html > > I do not recommend this bike for beginning riders. > In my opinion, the engine's > performance is too strongly tied to revving hard, > which is likely to > intimidate new riders. Other than the engine, the > bike is great for beginners, > but that engine problem prevents me from > recommending it. I wish I could > transplant the Nighthawk 250's engine into the Ninja > frame (the only thing I > like about the Nighthawk 250 is the engine). If you > are a new rider, and think > you'll enjoy revving the motor hard when you need to > get ahead of traffic, it > would be an acceptable choice, but this is not the > bike for timid riders. > > > :-D > > Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 09:36:08 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 06:36:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: Skip , Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not true. I have plead guilty with a reason twice (faulty equipment, documented by shop) and gotten off. --- Skip wrote: > Dave Yates wrote: > > > > [Dave] I've seen a lot of people come with > "guilty with > > explanation" pleas, etc., and not once have I seen > one end > > with a verdict other than guilty. > > well, DUH! they're admitting their guilt! > > Judge: you are charged with speeding. How do you > plead? > (meaning: You are charged with speeding. did you do > it?) > > Defendant: Guilty with explanation, > (meaning: I did it, but lemme tell you why.) > > Conclusion: the pig says you did it, you say you did > it... you must have done > it. > > > The good thing about going > > prepared to try your case is that not only are you > able to > > soak the prosecuting jurisdiction for at least 1/2 > hour of > > the court staff's time, you get to deny them the > ability to > > work through 2 or 3 other cases and fines as well > :-) All the > > better if you or your lawyer have a substantial > amount of > > evidence to present. > > the only way you will EVER get a "not guilty" > verdict is to plead "not guilty". > > --skip, been to court a time or two > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 10:04:52 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: DC-Cycles skip: i thought about mr. yates' response for a moment, then concluded that what he might have been talking about is a situation where the offense was admittedly committed but an "excuse" was offered (e.g., speeding to the hospital when wife is having a baby). it is possible to obtain a "not guilty" verdict when the conduct is excused. --- Skip wrote: > Dave Yates wrote: > > > > [Dave] I've seen a lot of people come with "guilty > with > > explanation" pleas, etc., and not once have I seen one > end > > with a verdict other than guilty. > > well, DUH! they're admitting their guilt! > > Judge: you are charged with speeding. How do you plead? > > (meaning: You are charged with speeding. did you do it?) > > Defendant: Guilty with explanation, > (meaning: I did it, but lemme tell you why.) > > Conclusion: the pig says you did it, you say you did > it... you must have done > it. > > > The good thing about going > > prepared to try your case is that not only are you able > to > > soak the prosecuting jurisdiction for at least 1/2 hour > of > > the court staff's time, you get to deny them the > ability to > > work through 2 or 3 other cases and fines as well :-) > All the > > better if you or your lawyer have a substantial amount > of > > evidence to present. > > the only way you will EVER get a "not guilty" verdict is > to plead "not guilty". > > --skip, been to court a time or two ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940-A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 10:10:23 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:10:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: OT: Fairfax Rant (was: Costly Lesson) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Par for the course in Fairfax. Organized crime could learn a few lessons from that county on how to chisel money out of people. Their tax policies, traffic enforcement "programs" and piss-poor urban planning are all designed to maximize profit at the expense of the good of the community. Ever seen their "Government Center?" That thing makes the Taj Mahal look like an outhouse. Heard about their plans for Tysons Corner? Hint: it involves further development of the area, creating lots of new business and real estate tax income without wasting money on frivolities like fixing the already horrific traffic problems. Fairfax county doesn't care much about protecting or serving their residents. Their main interest is in generating income for the government. Chris Weaver --- Tchaka wrote: > Wow, I sure got a beating in Fairfax Co. Traffic > Court today! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 10:25:17 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:24:43 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: OT: Fairfax Rant (was: Costly Lesson) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This is DC-Cycles, not FAIRFAX-cycles. ONLY DC Bashing is allowed here ;-) >Par for the course in Fairfax. Organized crime could >learn a few lessons from that county on how to chisel >money out of people. > >Their tax policies, traffic enforcement "programs" and >piss-poor urban planning are all designed to maximize >profit at the expense of the good of the community. > >Ever seen their "Government Center?" That thing makes >the Taj Mahal look like an outhouse. > >Heard about their plans for Tysons Corner? Hint: it >involves further development of the area, creating >lots of new business and real estate tax income >without wasting money on frivolities like fixing the >already horrific traffic problems. > >Fairfax county doesn't care much about protecting or >serving their residents. Their main interest is in >generating income for the government. [Dave] Of course, all that you rant is true... As contrasted with DC, their planning was sort of 'done for them' when the city was carved out, and populated over the years before home rule, and a pi$$ poor management job has been done ever since... FFX OTOH, has nobody to blame but their own selves. I mused to Mike B off list that "UnFairTax County" in it's current taxing state will only be able to sustain itself about 10 more years until the property taxes will be so outrageously high, people will start leaving in droves - like seniors are now. I wonder how big the Fairfax government is contrasted with say, New Hampshire ? or Maine ? Still, at least you are legally able to contest and beat a traffic or parking ticket in UnFairTax... And their 911 response time is reasonable, vehicle theft relatively low and despite being underprepared for the 'cane, when the lights went out, they had a full mobilization of deputies, jail guards, police etc to man intersections... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 10:31:21 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:31:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: OT: Fairfax Rant (was: Costly Lesson) To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Damm it felt good though (-: --- Dave Yates wrote: > This is DC-Cycles, not FAIRFAX-cycles. ONLY DC > Bashing is > allowed here ;-) > > > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 10:40:58 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:40:35 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: OT: Fairfax Rant (was: Costly Lesson) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I know. I always feel better after bashing the DC Transplants here in UnFairTax ! Dave http://www.al2004.org/ > >Damm it felt good though (-: > > >--- Dave Yates wrote: >> This is DC-Cycles, not FAIRFAX-cycles. ONLY DC >> Bashing is >> allowed here ;-) >> >> > > >===== >www.deanforamerica.com > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 11:00:45 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:00:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tchaka Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hahaha...what a knucklehead. That's even worse than speeding (IMO). My advice: prepay the fines!!!!! T --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 04:27 PM 9/30/03 -0700, Tchaka wrote: > >Wow, I sure got a beating in Fairfax Co. Traffic Court today! Last > >month I was stopped and given 2 tickets - one for failure to obey a > hwy > >sign and the other for an out of date inspection. I could (and > should) > >have prepaid to the tune of $200. Instead I went to court to plea a > >bit. Judge fined me $250 for the moving violation (he apparently > hates > >speeders), THEN whammed me on the inspection. I didn't know it had > >expired and in order to pass I have to replace a blinker, ended up > with > >the wrong one from Dennis Kirk so I couldn't get it done yet. I > asked > >the judge for a continuance so I could complete it. He denied it > then > >charged me $200. WTF? > > Ouch...sounds almost like old Judge Hitchins from Norfolk (the > "Hanging > Traffic Judge") back in the 70s. He never cut anyone any slack at > all, and > if you complained, it got worse. If you had a valid problem, ok, but > trying to wiggle out of anything justified annoyed him no end. > > On the chance that it might make you feel a bit better: > > Saturday evening in Annapolis I saw one of the stupidest moves I've > seen in > months...a guy ran a crosswalk down by the harbor while there were 4 > people > in it, trying to squeeze between the two pairs of pedestrians so he > wouldn't have to wait for them to cross first. While that's bad > enough, he > also failed to note that two of the walkers were cops (in uniform), > and he > just about hit one of them. The cop used his hands to fend off from > the > guy's right front fender, then slapped the passenger window while > yelling, > "Pull it over NOW!!" By the time we made the right turn he was > already > writing the tickets...and we were next for the turn. The cop didn't > sound > at all happy as we passed...I'd hate to be that guy in court! > > -- Mike B. > > **************************************************************************** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation > Obliterated * > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions > Offered * > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles > Stimulated * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* > * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! > * > **************************************************************************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 11:26:54 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:26:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Cool After-market Harley Parts (The only ones I've ever seen....) http://www.hemidesign.com/ -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 11:36:00 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:28:58 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Hahaha...what a knucklehead. That's even worse than >speeding (IMO). >My advice: prepay the fines!!!!! > >T [Dave] Yes, by all means, if it's Fairfax, prepay those fines... In fact, send money EVEN IF you don't owe. Know someone about to contest their Fairfax ticket - prepay it for them ! We need all the $$$ we can get ! ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 11:58:44 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:58:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Aerostich Reviews. I recently got a bigmassivehuge order of schtuff from Aerostich. Much of it is great; some of it is total utter reprehensible crap. Rather than clog up the list, I've posted my comments ("Reviews" may be a little too grandiose) here: http://fishfoo.livejournal.com/123263.html If you're interested in opinionated ravings about moto-toys, there you go. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 12:06:25 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:06:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: OT: Fairfax Rant (was: Costly Lesson) At 10:10 AM 10/1/2003, you wrote: >Fairfax county doesn't care much about protecting or >serving their residents. Their main interest is in >generating income for the government. I think about this every time I see a FxCo revenuer in Clifton collecting finances from inbound PwCo residents. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Submit. Obey. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 12:07:42 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:06:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: gps At 04:03 AM 10/1/03 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >i'm looking for a relatively cheap gps to swap back and >forth between the duc and the xr. i don't need color or >detailed city information. > >will the garmin gps iii+ do (ebay for ~$200). i basically >do all of my riding on the east coast between georgia and >new jersey (between the coast and 500 miles inland). >ideally i'd like a system that doesn't require me to keep >f-ing with basemaps to be useful. I have a Magellan Meridian. With enough memory, and some careful planning of the basemap layouts, you might be able to get that area into the device all at once. I've got 32 megs in mine, and I've got from the Atlantic to Paw-Paw, WV, and from Richmond, VA north to about Philadelphia in it all at once. With more memory that could be larger, obviously, and they make bigger memory these days, and I believe the newer Meridians (there have been at least two upgrades since they made mine) can handle at least 64 megs, and maybe more (haven't checked recently). The Meridian wasn't expensive. Got mine at Costco with a CD of maps, a car windshield mount, cigarette lighter adapter, PC interface cable, and a memory upgrade (the 32 meg thing) for about $210 a year and a half ago. It works pretty well and has nice features (no turn-by-turn directions or street-address waypoint selection, but it has pretty much everything else most GPSs have now). One warning though: Magellan's maps are inaccurate and out of date. They are at least 10 years old, so newer streets are not on them at all. They are off by about 100' or so too. If you are zoomed out a bit this isn't a problem, but if you zoom in so you are looking at a few blocks at a time, you will find yourself parallelling the road you are on, usually to the south, but not always. You can usually tell which one you are really on, but in tight confines like a downtown area it could be a slight problem. Of course, in a downtown area you might or might not be able to get enough satellite locks anyway...buildings block signals. I don't spend much time in areas like that, so I haven't noticed a problem with locks. It's got a B&W LCD screen, so sunlight can wash it out at some angles, but it isn't too bad in sunlight for the most part. I've used it hiking without problems, and in the car with only minor glare problems. The backlight is pretty good at night, with two levels of brightness. I haven't used it on a bike yet, but I plan to once I get the Ram mount hardware to set it up there. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 12:27:58 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:23:35 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Costly Lesson At 07:04 AM 10/1/03 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >skip: >i thought about mr. yates' response for a moment, then >concluded that what he might have been talking about is a >situation where the offense was admittedly committed but an >"excuse" was offered (e.g., speeding to the hospital when >wife is having a baby). it is possible to obtain a "not >guilty" verdict when the conduct is excused. Or when the incident occured as described, but it wasn't your fault that it happened. For instance, you ran a stopsign, but it was because of a brake failure just at that moment due to faulty maintenance by your mechanic. If you can show that that was the case, and that the problem has been corrected, they would probably dismiss it. You had no intention of committing the infraction, did what you could to avoid it, so why punish you for it? -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 13:59:53 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:59:43 -0400 From: Skip To: Mike Bartman CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Costly Lesson Mike Bartman wrote: > > At 07:04 AM 10/1/03 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >skip: > >i thought about mr. yates' response for a moment, then > >concluded that what he might have been talking about is a > >situation where the offense was admittedly committed but an > >"excuse" was offered (e.g., speeding to the hospital when > >wife is having a baby). it is possible to obtain a "not > >guilty" verdict when the conduct is excused. > > Or when the incident occured as described, but it wasn't your fault that it > happened. For instance, you ran a stopsign, but it was because of a brake > failure just at that moment due to faulty maintenance by your mechanic. If > you can show that that was the case, and that the problem has been > corrected, they would probably dismiss it. You had no intention of > committing the infraction, did what you could to avoid it, so why punish > you for it? in the case you present, I would plead "not guilty" so I would get a "trial". but that's just me. I acknowledge that you can have your case dismissed when pleading "guilty with explanation" ( which, btw, isn't an actual plea -- there is nolo contendre, not guilty, and guilty), but it is unlikely. GWE is used (by me) to try and get the fine reduced. it almost always works in that respect. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 14:12:00 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Re: Costly Lesson Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:11:54 -0400 Someone wrote: > > >i thought about mr. yates' response for a moment, then > > >concluded that what he might have been talking about is a > > >situation where the offense was admittedly committed but an > > >"excuse" was offered (e.g., speeding to the hospital when > > >wife is having a baby). it is possible to obtain a "not > > >guilty" verdict when the conduct is excused. > > I don't know if it's still true, but in Maryland judges used to have the authority to reduce or eliminate the points assesed for an infraction, and an "explanation" would sometimes help convince the judge to do so. I got zero points assesed at least once because of an "explanation." In Virginia, judges don't have the authority to adjust points. They DO, however, have the ability to adjust the violation you are "convicted" of. My explanation got a reckless ticket (30 over) reduce to a 29 over simple speeding ticket once. Made a significant difference in both points and fine. In Virginia, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100, "Candy Glory Red", STOC # 1157 '02 919, "Asphalt" If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 14:22:47 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:22:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Another Ninja 250 for sale. To: DCCycles Cc: btran3@XXXXXX Yesterday, I got 3 emails in response to the Ninja 250 I had for sale. This one showed up on the Ninja 250 list, so for those of you interested in a 'nice' Ninja 250, this might be a better choice. Please contact Bao rather than me. Although if you decide to get it, I'd like to see it, too. Leon. --- btran3@XXXXXX wrote: > My ninja is 2003 yellow with about 1100 miles on it. > It's all stock with the exception of extra brake > lights and DRL lights I've added on. It's never been > dropped and looks like new. The 600 mile service > was done by the dealer where I bought the bike > (motorcycle factory, in Woodbridge.) I'm asking > $2600 for this bike. > bao tran __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 15:21:49 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:41:07 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: DC-Cycles Bob remembered fondly... I don't know if it's still true, but in Maryland judges used to have the authority to reduce or eliminate the points assesed for an infraction, and an "explanation" would sometimes help convince the judge to do so. I got zero points assesed at least once because of an "explanation." [Dave] I imagine that this strategy would be ok in some aspects - if you get nailed again within 3 years, you've got that many fewer points, and can therefore "absorb" more hits on your driving record ... if you can afford it... I did do this early on in my citation receiving career... > In Virginia, judges don't have the authority to adjust points. They DO, however, have the ability to adjust the violation you are "convicted" of. My explanation got a reckless ticket (30 over) reduce to a 29 over simple speeding ticket once. Made a significant difference in both points and fine. [Dave] Violation you are convicted of... is the operative phrase that should resonate throughout this discussion. Insurance companies won't give a whit about how many points you have, rather, what convictions are listed on your record. 5 convictions with no points and all speeding will certainly earn you higher insurance, just the same as out of state tickets will. The only real defense against that aspect of the conviction is to either beat it, or get it reduced to some petty non moving violation, like "improper equipment" or something. in '94 the wife & I were stopped in Durham 70 in a 55. I had 2 years & 9 months clean, 3 more to expungement, and ridding myself of my past traffic transgressions. I had joined NMA recently, and used their lawyer referral. After tracking down a local lawyer he suggested that there wasn't much hope of beating it (vascar), so I explained the finances involved and asked if he thought the prosecution would go for a double fine, charge reduced to a non moving violation. He went to court for me & got it down to improper equipment. The time between the ticket & court was beyond 90 days, so as soon as he let me know I was good, I went ot MD MVA, got a copy of my record, verified I was good - and there was my conviction too, the very next business day - sent my expungement order off. Within a couple weeks I got my expungement, got new full coverage at less than half the price I'd been paying. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 16:02:03 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:01:58 -0400 To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: Costly Lesson At 02:11 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Bob Meyer wrote: > My explanation got a reckless ticket (30 over) reduce to a 29 over simple speeding ticket once. Made a significant difference in both points and fine. When did they change the speed needed for reckless in Virginia? When I got my license there back in 1973, anything 20 or more over was reckless driving. My one speeding ticket was in Virginia Beach. I was doing at least 30 over at the time (just passed someone, came around a curve, and there he was with his radar...and I was wrong about the speed limit on that stretch of swamp road...it was 45, not the 55 I thought it was. Sign was partially obscured by vines). I didn't make him chase me, so he was nice and wrote it up as 19 over. I just sent them the money. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 16:09:38 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:08:53 -0400 To: Dave Yates , DC-Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Costly Lesson At 02:41 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >I had joined NMA recently, and used their >lawyer referral. After tracking down a local lawyer he >suggested that there wasn't much hope of beating it (vascar), >so I explained the finances involved and asked if he thought >the prosecution would go for a double fine, charge reduced to >a non moving violation. A guy I usd to work with had a Z-28 and a dad in Florida. He was on his way to visit, and got pulled over for doing 115 in a 55 zone. He saw the cop and tried to "blend in" with the light traffic in the right lane...yeah, right! :^) His auto club had a lawyer referral service, so he got a local lawyer (this was in South Carolina). Lawyer went to court, and demanded a jury trial. Traffic judge had him approach the bench, asked what the hell he was doing, and the lawyer said that the fine was ok, but the charge needed to be reduced if he was to retract his request. Judge increased the fine, but lowered the charge to less than reckless, and only 1 point. The auto club paid the first $100 of the fine too, so the whole thing only cost him about $150, lawyer included. I'm still not sure I think that sort of thing should happen, as it only encouraged him to keep driving recklessly, but whatever. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 16:11:51 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:11:26 -0400 From: Skip To: Mike Bartman CC: rmeyer9@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Costly Lesson Mike Bartman wrote: > > At 02:11 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Bob Meyer wrote: > > My explanation got a reckless ticket (30 over) reduce to a 29 over simple > speeding ticket once. Made a significant difference in both points and fine. > > When did they change the speed needed for reckless in Virginia? When I got > my license there back in 1973, anything 20 or more over was reckless driving. > > My one speeding ticket was in Virginia Beach. I was doing at least 30 over > at the time (just passed someone, came around a curve, and there he was > with his radar...and I was wrong about the speed limit on that stretch of > swamp road...it was 45, not the 55 I thought it was. Sign was partially > obscured by vines). I didn't make him chase me, so he was nice and wrote > it up as 19 over. I just sent them the money. I've fought tickets, as well as bent over and taken it. if you can fight it, do so. I had one where I turned from a residential road with a 30 mph speed limit to a residential road with a 25 mph speed limit. got nailed for doing 31. but the speed limit sign was obscured, so I took an assload of pictures of it from all sorts of different angles, distances etc. The prosecutor wouldn't cut me any slack, but the judge dismissed the ticket as I "couldn't have known the speed limit had changed". "thank you, your honor, have a nice day." I had a county sticker issue one time ( $100 fine) I went to court, explained that I had sold and bought back the car, a 79 Dodge Aspen. I explained that this wasn't a tax evasion issue. he asked what the tax was... $7. Case dismissed. I've never gone to court and had the fine be as bad as the prepay. YMMV! PDOACC (Professional driver on a closed course) --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 16:23:50 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:23:55 -0400 To: Skip From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Costly Lesson Cc: DC-Cycles At 04:11 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Skip wrote: >Mike Bartman wrote: >> obscured by vines). I didn't make him chase me, so he was nice and wrote >> it up as 19 over. I just sent them the money. > >I've fought tickets, as well as bent over and taken it. if you can fight it, do so. I've done both as well. When I was wrong, I paid. When I was right, I didn't. In that case, I was definitely over the limit...even the limit I thought was legal. I paid. When I got a ticket for running a red light in D.C. when the light was yellow (I didn't realize that's what they meant when they said the cops there were colorblind...), I went to court...twice...and got it dismissed. "Getting out of a ticket" is only right if you aren't guilty. Trying to do that when you are guilty is just avoiding responsibility for your own actions, and that's never right...though it's often more pleasant, cheaper, etc.. >I've never gone to court and had the fine be as bad as the prepay. I've seen it work the other way though...not with me, but with others in court the same day. $20 fine for several folks turned into $20 plus $17 court costs on one occasion (in the 70s...allow for inflation ;^). -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 16:38:49 2003 Subject: Re: Costly Lesson From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 01 Oct 2003 16:34:36 -0400 2 cents: I've often considered speeding tickets, which are the ones I tend to get, my fine for not paying attention or drawing attention to myself. You can watch the other drivers and have a good chance of seeing the cops before they lock on (slowing cars/brake lights ahead). The last ticket I got was, jeeze many years ago (surprising) and was because the cop was camped in the right lane of a bunch of traffic. Had I been paying attention, I would have seen him. Instead I blew by the bunch and he locked right in. Now I just speed with everyone else and no problems. Carl On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 16:23, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 04:11 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Skip wrote: > >Mike Bartman wrote: > > >> obscured by vines). I didn't make him chase me, so he was nice and wrote > >> it up as 19 over. I just sent them the money. > > > >I've fought tickets, as well as bent over and taken it. if you can fight > it, do so. > > I've done both as well. When I was wrong, I paid. When I was right, I > didn't. In that case, I was definitely over the limit...even the limit I > thought was legal. I paid. When I got a ticket for running a red light in > D.C. when the light was yellow (I didn't realize that's what they meant > when they said the cops there were colorblind...), I went to > court...twice...and got it dismissed. > > "Getting out of a ticket" is only right if you aren't guilty. Trying to do > that when you are guilty is just avoiding responsibility for your own > actions, and that's never right...though it's often more pleasant, cheaper, > etc.. > > >I've never gone to court and had the fine be as bad as the prepay. > > I've seen it work the other way though...not with me, but with others in > court the same day. $20 fine for several folks turned into $20 plus $17 > court costs on one occasion (in the 70s...allow for inflation ;^). > > -- Mike B. > > **************************************************************************** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* > * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * > **************************************************************************** > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 16:53:10 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:16:47 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mike B thought aloud: > >I'm still not sure I think that sort of thing should happen, >as it only encouraged him to keep driving recklessly, but >whatever. [Dave] what kind of thing? The jury trial? reduced charge? I say nicely done. Not going to court and fighting merely encourages the State to write more and more BS tickets to all of us. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 16:54:03 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:53:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: NON-MOTO: Fleetwood Mac Tickets For Sale To: DC Cycles My sister (not me!) has two extra tickets to Fleetwood Mac this Thursday night at the MCI Center. The keys are excellent (Section 112) and are face valued at $125 but will go for less. Please respond off-list. ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 17:39:50 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:38:51 -0400 From: Steven McCollom CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Costly Lesson X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [138.88.1.178] at Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:39:39 -0500 Mike Bartman wrote: > > >Mike Bartman wrote: > > "Getting out of a ticket" is only right if you aren't guilty. Really? Thanks for explaining that to everyone. Perhaps it's hard to keep the quality high when you post 10 messages a day, but for Pete's sake... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 18:16:55 2003 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Stationary target again Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:15:08 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Mobacc wrote: SNIP > >(For the record, it turns out the small print "no motorcycles" sign there is >now enforced (I'd parked there in the past) and I was (courteously) sent to >the parking area near the Reservoir Road entrance). > Bill, At my last workplace, there was a sign like that also. I kindly asked to speak to the Garage owner. Explained that Motorcycles were Motor Vehicles too. She countered that the sign was there because the sensors couldn't pick up a motorcycle. I then asked for the name and address of the Corporate owner of the Garage, and let her know that my intention was to get A.B.A.T.E. officers involved. She thought for a while, probably wondering what A.B.A.T.E. was and thinking of hundreds of bikers converging on the place in protest. She told me to drive around the gate and park in some non-revenue, semi obstructed parking places. They were by some electrical boxes so a car wouldn't fit. I got free parking. Be the squeaky wheel. Steven C. Di Pietro *****Agreed, MC parking restrictions should be struck and such placed in priority along with lanesplitting and distracted driver (cellphone, etc.) concerns. Of course, decisions to take on the immediate and extended powers-that-be are situation dependent. It was disappointing that the Gtwn garage attendent really did bar the bike, but I look on this whole issue as *very* fluid: It seems that gate operations (and insurance) are the concern in most cases. My bike has never before been turned back and where questioned I've worked with the attendant to a compromise of some sort. And, as it's Gtwn University I'd bet they've massaged the MC situation quite a bit and come up with the existing solution, universally appropriate or not. This is not to say I wouldn't again try to adjust it in the future. My own MC parking philosophy, in short: Press ahead responsibly and support welcome moves by A.B.A.T.E. (such as the recent reworking of multiple bikes per space in MD/VA?). Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Sizewise, could have driven through the main lobby up to the conference room door. No "no motorcycles" sign on the events board. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 18:51:14 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mobacc" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Stationary target again Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:49:26 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mobacc" > > *****Agreed, MC parking restrictions should be struck and such placed in > priority along with lanesplitting and distracted driver (cellphone, etc.) > concerns. > ... > > And, as it's Gtwn University I'd bet they've massaged the MC situation quite > a bit and come up with the existing solution, universally appropriate or > not. This is not to say I wouldn't again try to adjust it in the future. > > My own MC parking philosophy, in short: Press ahead responsibly and support > welcome moves by A.B.A.T.E. (such as the recent reworking of multiple bikes > per space in MD/VA?). > > Bill S. / DC One thing to think about: some of these garages might be publicly owned and operated either directly by a government body or a concessionaire. Seems to me the "road-legal, duly licensed and insured motor vehicle" approach would cut a lot more ice in that case. Private property owners are under less obligation to accommodate you. I've also learned those silly little stickers are put there by the gate manufacturers. Oftentimes the garage operators seem blissfully unaware of the sticker and I'm not about to point it out to them. I park in the BWI garage all the time, and the gates there have the stickers. No one has batted an eye as I proceed through the "stop, get ticket" and cashier lines. I figure I'll keep doing it until someone raised a stink. I have called the parking folks at BWI and pointblank asked if there is dedicated MC parking anywhere on the airport property. "Nope, just park in the garage" was the answer. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 18:56:52 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: gps Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:56:36 -0400 I've had my III+ for a few years now and it's a pretty nice unit for a small GPS. The 1.9MB space to load maps into is fairly small, but the basemap in ROM has the interstate network and major roads (Rt7, 28, etc) shown. I've done some great "wander in the weeds" trips by programming the lat/long of intersections in as waypoints and navigating from waypoint to waypoint. It's been spot on on little intersections in the middle of nowhere. I use Streets & Trips to lay out the routes and get the waypoint data. I also have a GPSmap 176C with a huge color screen and a 128MB data card. The III+ is a nice machine, as is the V with more (19MB) memory and a road-oriented mapping system. RAM-Mount makes mounts for all of 'em available theough Cyclegadgets.com (nice people). Michael J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 07:03 Subject: gps > i'm looking for a relatively cheap gps to swap back and > forth between the duc and the xr. i don't need color or > detailed city information. > > will the garmin gps iii+ do (ebay for ~$200). i basically > do all of my riding on the east coast between georgia and > new jersey (between the coast and 500 miles inland). > ideally i'd like a system that doesn't require me to keep > f-ing with basemaps to be useful. > > thanks in advance for any feedback. > > -- > tg > > > ===== > Thomas H. Gimer > MURPHY & GIMER, LLC > 7940-A Wisconsin Avenue > Bethesda, MD 20814 > 301 913-0060; 301 913-5415 (fax) > http://www.murphygimer.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 19:47:50 2003 From: "lisagoddard" To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: Subject: Subject: Re: Costly Lesson Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:46:50 -0400 two things: First of all, Officer White of the Montgomery County police force pulls me over about once a year, in addition to my other occasional run-ins with law enforcement (Park Police, DC police, Rockville Police, Gaithersburg Police..) Our annual reunions have been going on on a somewhat routine basis for at least 10 years now. It seems that he either lets me off with a warning or I beat him in court. I have yet to actually pay a fine issued by him. Now that I have posted that I am sure I am heading for a ticket, oh, wait, I can't even ride these days, the bike is in dry-dock until I heal some more. Stuck driving the slowest car we have because it is an automatic, it's hard to get pulled over for speeding in a '90 Ford Escort. I did see the flash go off from the camera in the DC cruiser parked on the side of canal road the other day. I was in the middle of a pack of about 8 cars, all doing 10 over the speed limit. Does anyone know how long DC takes to process and issue tickets from their mobile camera units? Secondly, true story here. There is a judge in Mo. Co. who was Miss Maryland in the 70's while working her way through law school. Apparently if you bring this up when you are in front of her she will dismiss the case just to shut you up. She does not like to be recognized and prefers to maintain the personna of a judge now. Lisa Goddard www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com '95 VFR '97 GSXR 600 From: "Rob Sharp" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Costly Lesson Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 00:00:19 -0500 I got outta my ticket. I took and pass my road test, signed up for the MSF class and got a support deposition for the judge all before I had my court date. I walked up to the judge and said, "you may want to read this" and then handed him my supporting deposition from the ADA of my county in NY. He read it and dismissed my ticket. He didn't let a single other person off while I was there. Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 20:19:10 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Costly Lesson Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:19:01 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79939a96bd24694068b2de57adc9e141e8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Mike B pontificated: > "Getting out of a ticket" is only right if you aren't guilty. [Dave] WRONG. Getting convicted of a ticket is only right if you are guilty, and, the State has proven so beyond a reasonable doubt. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 21:49:31 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:49:36 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Costly Lesson...and oil paddles At 04:34 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote: >2 cents: I've often considered speeding tickets, which are the ones I >tend to get, my fine for not paying attention or drawing attention to >myself. Yeah. On the other hand, if you are paying enough attention to what's going on to avoid getting caught, you are probably paying enough attention not to be much of a hazard anyway. :^) >Now I just speed with everyone else and no problems. That's what I do. I'm not the slowest one on the road, or the fastest, and I don't drive a really loud vehicle, or one with flashy colors. Blend in, and let them chase the more flamboyant... :^) BTW - I was just up at Battley's...that oil change gimmick I mentioned a few days ago is made by Revtech. $19.95. It's basically a flat piece of orange plastic shaped more or less like a small boat paddle. The end where the oar handle would attach has a bit of a cutout/hook deal on one side, presumably to let you hang it in the proper position. The shape is slightly more complex than what I've described, but not much. Duplicating it in aluminum shouldn't be tough if you want to save the $21. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 21:53:33 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:53:39 -0400 To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Costly Lesson At 04:16 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >Mike B thought aloud: >> >>I'm still not sure I think that sort of thing should happen, >>as it only encouraged him to keep driving recklessly, but >>whatever. > >[Dave] what kind of thing? The jury trial? reduced charge? Letting him off easy like that. >I say nicely done. Not going to court and fighting merely >encourages the State to write more and more BS tickets to all >of us. If the ticket is BS, then I'd say fight it to the death. The state shouldn't be allowed to get away with that sort of thing. On the other hand, 115 in a 55 zone? That's just plain dangerous when there are other vehicles around, no matter how sporty the one you are driving is, or how good a driver you are. There are reasons for traffic laws, and when you are that far outside the limits, and you get caught, you shouldn't get let off easy, ever. That sort of thing leads to dead motorcyclists and indicted North Dakota Congresscritters... -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 22:01:49 2003 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:00:52 -0400 To: "Dave Yates" , "DC-Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Costly Lesson At 08:19 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >Mike B pontificated: > >> "Getting out of a ticket" is only right if you aren't guilty. > >[Dave] WRONG. Getting convicted of a ticket is only right if you are >guilty, and, the State has proven so beyond a reasonable doubt. Go check the law on that one. It's a civil situation, not a criminal one. "Preponderance of the evidence" is the standard, not "reasonable doubt". That aside, I could live with it your way. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 1 23:22:27 2003 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:21:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: Mike Bartman , Dave Yates , DC-Cycles --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 08:19 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: > >Mike B pontificated: > > > >> "Getting out of a ticket" is only right if you aren't > guilty. > > > >[Dave] WRONG. Getting convicted of a ticket is only > right if you are > >guilty, and, the State has proven so beyond a reasonable > doubt. > > Go check the law on that one. It's a civil situation, > not a criminal one. > "Preponderance of the evidence" is the standard, not > "reasonable doubt". dude, if they used that standard we'd never win. rethink that one. -- tg ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940-A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 08:26:43 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:26:33 EDT Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/1/2003 4:39:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > Now I just speed with everyone else and no problems. That will not help with photo radar, they just nail everyone and you will not know until a week or so later. (After you have ridden past the same spot again once or twice, so they can get you more then once.) But I am not bitter. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 08:32:40 2003 Subject: Re: Costly Lesson...and oil paddles From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 02 Oct 2003 08:28:31 -0400 On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 21:49, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 04:34 PM 10/1/03 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote: > BTW - I was just up at Battley's...that oil change gimmick I mentioned a > few days ago is made by Revtech. $19.95. It's basically a flat piece of > orange plastic shaped more or less like a small boat paddle. The end where > the oar handle would attach has a bit of a cutout/hook deal on one side, > presumably to let you hang it in the proper position. The shape is > slightly more complex than what I've described, but not much. Duplicating > it in aluminum shouldn't be tough if you want to save the $21. > Cool. I'll hit the revtech site and see what it looks like. Thanks. > -- Mike B. > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 08:34:16 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 05:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: lisagoddard , "'DC Cycles'" --- lisagoddard wrote: > > I did see the flash go off from the camera in the DC > cruiser parked on the > side of canal road the other day. I was in the middle of > a pack of about 8 > cars, all doing 10 over the speed limit. Does anyone > know how long DC takes > to process and issue tickets from their mobile camera > units? less than a month.... > Secondly, true story here. There is a judge in Mo. Co. > who was Miss > Maryland in the 70's while working her way through law > school. Apparently > if you bring this up when you are in front of her she > will dismiss the case > just to shut you up. She does not like to be recognized > and prefers to > maintain the personna of a judge now. could you share the info off-list? ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940-A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 08:39:03 2003 Subject: Re: Costly Lesson From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 02 Oct 2003 08:34:57 -0400 On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 08:26, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/1/2003 4:39:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > Now I just speed with everyone else and no problems. > > That will not help with photo radar, they just nail everyone and you will not > know until a week or so later. (After you have ridden past the same spot > again once or twice, so they can get you more then once.) > But I am not bitter. > Do they do photo radar on the freeway? Not that I don't speed in other places but I'm certainly more careful on a city street because of the hazards. The take offs and landings are tough (getting to and from the freeway) and I'm a lot more careful. The flight is fun, again more careful in slower pack traffic. > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 08:47:58 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:47:45 EDT Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/2/2003 8:39:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > Do they do photo radar on the freeway? I-295n. just past exit 2 in DC. Same spot every time so as not to piss off the locals too much. Traffic slows for about 1/2 mile, then goes back up to "normal." If traffic slows near a car parked on the side of the road, take the hint. Still I am not bitter. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 08:54:04 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:53:53 EDT Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/30/2003 7:28:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tchaka@XXXXXX writes: > Judge fined me $250 for the moving then > charged me $200. WTF? The threat of having to pay more is how they discourage you from demanding you right to go to court. I long ago swore I would never go to court without a lawyer, and I will not. But I would rather pay a lawyer $500 then a bullshit ticket for $50. (Not that I have $500, that is the fly in the ointment.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 08:58:02 2003 Subject: Re: Costly Lesson From: Carl Schelin To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 02 Oct 2003 08:53:54 -0400 On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 08:47, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/2/2003 8:39:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > Do they do photo radar on the freeway? > > I-295n. just past exit 2 in DC. Same spot every time so as not to piss off > the locals too much. Traffic slows for about 1/2 mile, then goes back up to > "normal." If traffic slows near a car parked on the side of the road, take the > hint. But that's what I said earlier. I usually pay attention to traffic and will slow down with them. > Still I am not bitter. > No, of course not :-) > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 09:10:14 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:10:02 EDT Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/2/2003 8:58:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > But that's what I said earlier. I usually pay attention to traffic and > will slow down with them. Indeed. The problem is when they first put the damn thing up and no one knows about it. _Everyone_ gets nailed when that happens even though moving _with_ traffic is the safest speed (Or slightly above on a bike, not here to argue that one at this time.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 09:53:59 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:58:19 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: gps On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Chris Weaver wrote: > You should be able to find a Garmin eMap for less. I > have one and it has detailed enough info for most of > the smaller roads around here if you load the detailed > local info into the unit. It's light and pretty small > (about 2.5"x5" give or take). I've got the Emap also, unit works great, my only problem is with Mapsource and its stupid routes. It's routing abilities SUCK. Aside from getting routed on gravel roads, it puts in waypoints all over the place, so if you are going down a highway for any strech of time, you will keep seeing X miles to go, then on to the next strech instead of showing you plotting all my routes, and for the price of the software, its ridiculous. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 09:59:30 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:03:50 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: gps > I've got the Emap also, unit works great, my only problem is with > Mapsource and its stupid routes. It's routing abilities SUCK. Aside from > getting routed on gravel roads, it puts in waypoints all over the place, > so if you are going down a highway for any strech of time, you will keep > seeing X miles to go, then on to the next strech instead of showing you > plotting all my routes, and for the price of the software, its ridiculous. > Looks like something got snipped... should read: ...instead of showing you how far the next turn is. I end up plotting all my routes manually, and... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 11:28:31 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:28:12 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: gps To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I didn't realize mapsource COULD generate a route. I always did my own routing. When I load a route on the eMap it tells me distance to next waypoint and when I'm close it displays "turn approaching". Me, I haven't found a way to diddle with the detail level yet and make a coherant understanding of the display settings. Like getting rid of the little town names that all too often obscure the intersections I'm trying to visualize. I guess I didn't keep the manual. shame on me. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 11:33:08 2003 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:32:52 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Costly Lesson At 09:10 AM 10/2/03 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 10/2/2003 8:58:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > >> But that's what I said earlier. I usually pay attention to traffic and >> will slow down with them. > >Indeed. >The problem is when they first put the damn thing up and no one knows about >it. _Everyone_ gets nailed when that happens even though moving _with_ traffic >is the safest speed (Or slightly above on a bike, not here to argue that one >at this time.) So how about if we lobby to have the law changed? This is a democratic form of government, and democracy is a good thing, right? If everyone on a stretch of road, or at least the majority, think that 75 is a good speed, then that should be the speed limit for that stretch at that time, and only those going significantly slower or faster should get ticketed. If you are "moving with the pack", whether that's 75 or 25, you should be ok, right? At least on limited access highways...not sure I want a lone "voter" in a school zone setting himself a 90 mph speed limit... -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 11:40:42 2003 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'rife@XXXXXX'" Subject: : SV650 for sale Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:44:27 -0400 Contact him, not me Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:47:01 -0400 From: Christopher Rife Subject: OT: SV650 for sale Well, the time has come and I need to part with my SV650. It's a 2001, blue, with just ~3500 miles on it. You can see immediately that I don't have/make enough time to ride, and with a recent job change I could use the funds freed up from the bike for other purposes. Details: It's mechanically stock, with the following enhancements: grip heaters, aux lights, centerstand, windshield, topcase, and some other goodies. Plenty of pictures and a more complete description available at >. I would like to get around $3900 for it, though there is some flexibility. Bike is located in Lansing, MI. Send me an email at rife(at)msu.edu for more info, or give me a call at 517 614 0296. Feel free to pass this on to anyone you feel might be interested. Thanks, Chris PS- if replying to the list, please cc me, as I'm on digest... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 11:49:58 2003 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:49:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: gps At 11:28 AM 10/2/2003, matthew patton wrote: >I didn't realize mapsource COULD generate a route. I always did my own >routing. When I load a route on the eMap it tells me distance to next >waypoint and when I'm close it displays "turn approaching". Me, I >haven't found a way to diddle with the detail level yet and make a >coherant understanding of the display settings. Like getting rid of the >little town names that all too often obscure the intersections I'm >trying to visualize. I guess I didn't keep the manual. shame on me. The Map Source and eMap can not autoroute. You can make the town names very small to not get in the way of routing though. In your settings you can set the font size for waypoints, streets and towns separately. Autorouting moves the price point up around $1k - not worth it for me (yet). Garmin is overpriced for software and memory, but the equipment is good and inexpensive to start with. At least at the eMap and eTrex level. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Submit. Obey. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 12:49:46 2003 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: gps Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:49:41 -0400 > -----Original Message----- > From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:28 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: gps > > visualize. I guess I didn't keep the manual. shame on me. You can always download the manuals from Garmin's web site: http://www.garmin.com/support/userManual.jsp Wes From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 12:59:05 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:59:00 -0400 (EDT) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: gps On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Troutman wrote: > The Map Source and eMap can not autoroute. You can make the town names Garmin mapsource 3.x and earlier can not generate routes, 4.x and newer can. > Autorouting moves the price point up around $1k - not worth it for me > (yet). Garmin is overpriced for software and memory, but the equipment is > good and inexpensive to start with. At least at the eMap and eTrex level. the garmin gps V is $339 with software and will autoroute... a far cry from the $1000 you claim. Admittedly the Etrex at $100 is much less expensive. However, when you add the $90 that the mapping software costs, $339 for the GPS V, vs $190 for the etrex and there is alot of benifit you pick up for the additional money. -J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 13:18:11 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:18:05 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: , matthew patton Subject: Re: gps Perhaps you could get the manual online? Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: matthew patton Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:28:12 -0700 (PDT) >I didn't realize mapsource COULD generate a route. I always did my own >routing. When I load a route on the eMap it tells me distance to next >waypoint and when I'm close it displays "turn approaching". Me, I >haven't found a way to diddle with the detail level yet and make a >coherant understanding of the display settings. Like getting rid of the >little town names that all too often obscure the intersections I'm >trying to visualize. I guess I didn't keep the manual. shame on me. > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 13:19:15 2003 From: "Dan Thompson" To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:19:10 -0400 I am selling my 2002 Yamaha FZ1. I am having to go the cruiser route due to pain in the knees and butt bone. It has 3400 miles, I changed the oil and filter at 600 miles, 1500 miles, and at 3300 miles I went to Mobil 1 15-50 synthetic. It has the GYRT handlebar riser and a carbon fiber Akropovic slip-on (no jetting was required and it runs very well with it). I am asking $6895 or would consider trading for a cruiser type bike. I love the bike, but my body cannot handle it anymore. Danny '78 FJ40 '02 FZ1 '02 XR250R CSBA #150 TLCA #13436 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 13:40:58 2003 Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:41:00 -0500 From: To: I thought the FZ1 was the one of the comfiest bikes I have ever ridden, at least on the knees, did get a little saddle sore though after 400 mile days. Are you going to be happy with a Cruiser's power (lack of)? Don't Cruisers put more weight on the Butt bone? George >>> Dan Thompson 10/02/03 01:19PM >>> I am selling my 2002 Yamaha FZ1. I am having to go the cruiser route due to pain in the knees and butt bone From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 13:46:25 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:15:22 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: gps To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >The Map Source and eMap can not autoroute. You can make the >town names very small to not get in the way of routing >though. In your settings you can set the font size for >waypoints, streets and towns separately. [Dave] The eMap is a marriage enhancement tool, I don't care what anybody says... While you can't autoroute with eMap, you can use mapsource to create intersection to intersection routes and upload them. I do this when searching for Lighthouses, because the book directions are wrong about 40% of the time. I'll not worry (most of the time) about interstate & primary route intersections, but I'll hit the "start navigation" when I get close enough and where the turns start becoming more frequent. The eMap "beeps" with turn approaching so it can be used to navigate. It can also navigate from "tracks" which can be saved on the device itself. The rub with tracks is that it's a 'breadcrumb' trail of where you've already been. What I've been doing with Mapsource is to have it open simultaneously with Mapngo and a web mapping service, and just make the route in mapsource comparing the different maps. It can be time consuming, but does help keep from getting lost... > >Autorouting moves the price point up around $1k - not worth >it for me (yet). Garmin is overpriced for software and >memory, but the equipment is good and inexpensive to start >with. At least at the eMap and eTrex level. [Dave] Now, if we could just get a Heads up display... ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 14:33:44 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:33:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've ridden a Honda Magna 750, and those bikes actually have quite a bit of stomp. The engine is from the VFR750, so it ought to. Danny, you had a VFR800 and like it, so maybe that's a possibility? I recall that the ground clearance wasn't too good, but that's a cruiser for you. (shrug) Ought to be able to find one for a very reasonable price. Chris --- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > Are you going to be happy with a Cruiser's power > (lack of)? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 14:52:02 2003 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:51:57 -0400 From: Stephen Miller To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike The only complaint I've heard about Magnas is the VTR-like touring range (or lack thereof). On Thursday, October 02, 2003, at 02:33PM, Chris Weaver wrote: >I've ridden a Honda Magna 750, and those bikes >actually have quite a bit of stomp. The engine is from >the VFR750, so it ought to. Danny, you had a VFR800 >and like it, so maybe that's a possibility? I recall >that the ground clearance wasn't too good, but that's >a cruiser for you. (shrug) Ought to be able to find >one for a very reasonable price. > >Chris > >--- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: >> Are you going to be happy with a Cruiser's power >> (lack of)? > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 15:59:19 2003 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:59:11 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Stephen Miller wrote: > > The only complaint I've heard about Magnas is the VTR-like touring range (or lack thereof). having owned a v65 magna, I can attest to to lack of range. When I got it, I asked the previous owner what the range was, having come from a GS550E. he said, "bout 120-130 miles, depending on how hard you get into it." How far can you go on reserve? "As soon as the light comes on, find gas or you're walking." I usually got around 30 MPG out of it, mostly due to excessive twisting of the fun-meter. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 16:19:37 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Skip'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:22:26 -0400 Seems quite a few bikes are like this, including the Hawk. The twisty thing on the right sure is a lot of fun. Unfortunately, when used as a binary switch, you get <30 MPG and *total* range of ~100 miles, reserve at 90. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk - braaap 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip [SMTP:skip@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:59 PM > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike > > > > Stephen Miller wrote: > > > > The only complaint I've heard about Magnas is the VTR-like touring range > (or lack thereof). > > having owned a v65 magna, I can attest to to lack of range. When I got > it, I > asked the previous owner what the range was, having come from a GS550E. > he > said, "bout 120-130 miles, depending on how hard you get into it." How > far can > you go on reserve? > "As soon as the light comes on, find gas or you're walking." > > I usually got around 30 MPG out of it, mostly due to excessive twisting of > the > fun-meter. > > --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 16:22:55 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:22:18 EDT Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/2/2003 11:33:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > and only > those going significantly slower or faster should get ticketed. I seem to recall someone on this list mentioning a _federal_ statute requiring 80% compliance for a speed limit to be valid. In other words, already been done. I could be way off on that and would like more information on it one way or the other. But you are right, speeds significantly over _traffic_ (or under) are what should be getting tickets, not some arbitrary speed, or worse an artificially low speed whose only purpose it to generate income. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 16:31:21 2003 From: "Charlie Ozark" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: compression test Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:19:58 -0400 does anyone on this board have a compression-tester-gauge-tool I could borrow, or perhaps rent, say for the cost of a beer at a local bar? i'm in downtown dc (where the moto is currently non-moto, see also, SV325), but can probably take the GF's cage to meet you. please ping me off list. thanks. C. >From: Chris Weaver >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:33:40 -0700 (PDT) > >I've ridden a Honda Magna 750, and those bikes >actually have quite a bit of stomp. The engine is from >the VFR750, so it ought to. Danny, you had a VFR800 >and like it, so maybe that's a possibility? I recall >that the ground clearance wasn't too good, but that's >a cruiser for you. (shrug) Ought to be able to find >one for a very reasonable price. > >Chris > >--- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > > Are you going to be happy with a Cruiser's power > > (lack of)? > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 16:35:22 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:35:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: 'Circles' in Northern VA on Sunday afternoon. To: DCCycles As of this afternoon, the weather channel says Sunday afternoon Ocotober 5 will be partly cloudy with a high of 63)B° F. I plan to bring two Ninja 250s to the new part of the commuter parking lot at Exit 158 of I-95 from 2PM to 6PM. The lot is between I-95 and Telegraph Road just south of Prince William Parkway. I'll have a braking lane set up that is similar to the one in the MSF course. I'll have a large figure 8 so people can practice leaning and hanging off at reasonably sane speeds (I haven't seen anyone get much over 25 mph on the figure 8.) And I'll have the 3 tight interlocking circles so my 10 year old daughter and her bicycle can compete with the motorcycles for time. C'mon down and ride. Contact number for Sunday if you get lost is 703-470-1167 Leon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 16:46:18 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:46:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: [SPIFFY] Russian On Round-the-World Trip on Jawa 350 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Quite a long-distance traveller, this guy. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10248826&BRD=1977&PAG=461&dept_id=187985&rfi=6 None of my submissions to Fark seem to go anywhere, but I guess this is the next best thing. Chris Weaver __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 17:00:03 2003 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:55:55 -0400 To: , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike At 12:41 PM 10/2/03 -0500, George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: >Are you going to be happy with a Cruiser's power (lack of)? Not all cruisers are underpowered. Check out the custom ones made for S&S's 45th anniversary (and Harley's 100th). 145ci V-twin. Something on the order of 189 hp and 185 ft/lb on the dyno. Cory Ness's design went to dual rear belts to handle the load, with a really wide rear tire (I think it was a 280, but I'd have to go dig up the Hot Bikes issue that described them all to be sure). >Don't Cruisers put more weight on the Butt bone? Yeah, probably. They also tend to put more padding on the seats... :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 17:06:42 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:18:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Mike Bartman Cc: , Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 12:41 PM 10/2/03 -0500, George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > > >Are you going to be happy with a Cruiser's power (lack of)? > > Not all cruisers are underpowered. Check out the custom ones made for > S&S's 45th anniversary (and Harley's 100th). 145ci V-twin. Something on > the order of 189 hp and 185 ft/lb on the dyno. Cory Ness's design went to > dual rear belts to handle the load, with a really wide rear tire (I think > it was a 280, but I'd have to go dig up the Hot Bikes issue that described > them all to be sure). And what is the price tag for that "189hp" machine that can't out accelerate a stock literbike? ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 17:58:30 2003 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:58:31 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: tomorrow@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Triumph S3 and Two MZs for sale For sale; personal reasons: 1999 Triumph Speed Triple 955i. Black, 9,300 miles. Second local owner. Includes genuine Triumph accessories: flyscreen, passenger seat cowl, tankbag, rear stand, carbon fiber low-mount sport pipe, rear fender hugger, front fender extension, front fork stone guards, and factory workshop manual. New Dunlop D208 GP compound tires. Napolean Baren bar-end mirrors. K&N GP Touring bend superbike handlebar. Functional side-scoop screens in stainless steel mesh. Never down, never dropped, always Motul full synthetic oil. Set of brand new factory front and rear brake pads ($129 for the set, and much better than any aftermarket pads I've ever used.) I will admit to indifferent chain care. Also, this bike features full 1997 Triumph Speed Triple bodywork, indistinguishable from 1999 except for the size of the lettering on the tailpiece and the model designation "T509" also on the tailpiece. I had a '97 before this '99, and the buyer of my '97 wanted "perfect" plastic. The '97 plastic is in merely "very good" shape. No cracks, scrapes, rash, or anything like that, just some hazing in the clearcoat from the tankbag straps and pad, and on the tailpiece from a rear seat tailbag. Will sell with your choice of the stock Triumph "bug-eye" dual headlamps or my single headlamp conversion using stock Triumph parts from other late-model Triumphs; will not include both headlight set-ups. $4,400 firm. 2002 MZ660 Skorpion Tour bought new earlier this year. Blue. Stock. 1,200 miles. 660cc 5-valve Yamaha Genesis 4-stroke single sylinder engine. Liquid cooled, electric start, monoshock, 3-spoke mag wheels, tubeless 17" tires, disk brakes front and rear, factory stainless steel brake lines. Includes M4 Titanium exhaust; brand new except 15 test miles on it (too loud for my tastes). Never down. Oil changed to Motul full synthetic at 600 miles. $3,300 firm. 2002 MZ125RT bought earlier this year. 125cc Street bike. Second owner. 2,500 miles, black, excellent condition. Electric start, dual overhead cam 125cc four stroke single with 10,000 rpm redline, monoshock, 3-spoke mag wheels, tubeless 17" tires, disk brakes front and rear, factory stainless steel brake lines, full instrumentation including tach, 6-speed transmission, 12-volt electrics, 60 mpg and 70+ mph top speed. Fun bike. $1,400 firm. All three bikes appearing in the Washington Post classifieds starting Saturday at the same prices listed above. All three bikes owned clear, have clean titles, current Virginia registration. Tim Morrow 703.795.8882 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 18:06:07 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:53:05 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX John said: > >I seem to recall someone on this list mentioning a _federal_ >statute requiring 80% compliance for a speed limit to be >valid. In other words, already been done. >I could be way off on that and would like more information >on it one way or the other. [Dave] "Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices". Essentially, a DOT set of standards. Good news, bad news. If you're issued a ticket for exceeding the posted speed limit, there needs to be several things in order for a successful prosecution. A law enforcing the limit by statute, and an engineering study in support of the limit. If the limit was lowered recently, this should be easy to prove or disprove. States comply with the MUTCD in order to not be denied federal $$$ for transportation. Bad news: The weakest section of MUTCD is that of determining & enforcing speed limits. This is paraphrasing from the NMA members only section... There's way more to it obviously... I personally have never used this in court, but the NMA routinely prints letters from people who (allegedly) have... HTH Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 18:14:14 2003 Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:13:00 -0500 From: To: , I don't think Danny wants to spend 20K+ on a cruiser. We are talking production bikes here, and comparing to a FZ1 (which is a fast mofo) >>> Mike Bartman 10/02/03 04:55PM >>> At 12:41 PM 10/2/03 -0500, George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: >Are you going to be happy with a Cruiser's power (lack of)? Not all cruisers are underpowered. Check out the custom ones made for S&S's 45th anniversary (and Harley's 100th). 145ci V-twin. Something on the order of 189 hp and 185 ft/lb on the dyno. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 19:45:04 2003 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Roll Call! Who's running LMS Track Day Monday? Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:45:45 -0400 We think we have a professional videographer coming. Gonna be a cool one! Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 21:21:57 2003 From: "lisagoddard" To: "'DC Cycles'" , , Subject: FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:14:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:33:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've ridden a Honda Magna 750, and those bikes actually have quite a bit of stomp. The engine is from the VFR750, so it ought to. Danny, you had a VFR800 and like it, so maybe that's a possibility? I recall that the ground clearance wasn't too good, but that's a cruiser for you. (shrug) Ought to be able to find one for a very reasonable price. Chris --- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > Are you I have to agree with Chris Weaver. I have ridden a shaft Magna, can't remember if it was 1100 or 1200. Extremely smooth bike, and a very deceptive bike because the acceleration was so smooth. Lisa From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 21:35:13 2003 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:34:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Leon Begeman CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: 'Circles' in Northern VA on Sunday afternoon. Leon Begeman wrote: > I plan to bring two Ninja 250s to the new > part of the commuter parking lot at Exit 158 of I-95 > from 2PM to 6PM. Crap. Gonna be out of town this weekend. At least I'll be able to take the bike when I go. Have fun. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 21:41:22 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "lisagoddard" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Magna, was Re: FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:41:18 -0400 The Magna engines are detuned slightly compared the VFR. Identical bore and stroke as the VFR750 engine, but with a slightly lower compression ratio. Translates to about ten missing ponies on the top end. Smallish gas tank will have you stopping a lot. 3.6 gallons vs. 5.5 for the Viffer. http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mchonda/magna.html Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: "lisagoddard" To: "'DC Cycles'" ; ; Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:14 PM Subject: FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:33:40 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chris Weaver > Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > I've ridden a Honda Magna 750, and those bikes > actually have quite a bit of stomp. The engine is from > the VFR750, so it ought to. Danny, you had a VFR800 > and like it, so maybe that's a possibility? I recall > that the ground clearance wasn't too good, but that's > a cruiser for you. (shrug) Ought to be able to find > one for a very reasonable price. > > Chris > > --- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > > Are you > > I have to agree with Chris Weaver. I have ridden a shaft Magna, can't > remember if it was 1100 or 1200. Extremely smooth bike, and a very > deceptive bike because the acceleration was so smooth. > > Lisa > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 21:49:13 2003 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:48:54 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Chris Weaver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [SPIFFY] Russian On Round-the-World Trip on Jawa 350 Chris Weaver wrote: > > Quite a long-distance traveller, this guy. > > http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10248826&BRD=1977&PAG=461&dept_id=187985&rfi=6 I met this guy out in Missoula, he showed up for the Iron Butt Rally Finish. Had bunches of pictures of all his journeys so far. The bike was a real piece of work, too. Two big igloo-type chest coolers strapped to the sides of the bike like saddlebags...interesting. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 21:53:00 2003 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:52:51 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Mike Bartman CC: George.Cole@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Mike Bartman wrote: > Not all cruisers are underpowered. Magna 1100 Vmax Valkyrie - all had decent motors. The Vmax supposedly has a hinge hidden somewhere in the frame, though. =8-o > Check out the custom ones made for > S&S's 45th anniversary (and Harley's 100th). 145ci V-twin. Something on > the order of 189 hp and 185 ft/lb on the dyno. Cool. How many days does that motor last before blowing up? Or is it measured in hours now? -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 21:55:45 2003 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: MFI openhouse on Sat To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MFI has solidly taken 1st place as the best local dealer in my book (over CycleSport Alexandria) by their efforts to get me fork springs on zero notice. And their prices on boots beat the online community by a significant amount. But any how the big open house is Sat from 9-5. The Joe Rocket guy will be on-site and they should be brimming with product if you need something. ===== * Love, not time, heals all wounds. * No one is perfect until you fall in love with them. And then when they aren't perfect anymore, love makes them perfect again. * Everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it * You can not forgive unless you first love. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 2 22:08:42 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MFI openhouse on Sat Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:08:34 -0400 OK, I'm probably being dense, but who is MFI? > > From: matthew patton > Date: 2003/10/02 Thu PM 09:55:06 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: MFI openhouse on Sat > > MFI has solidly taken 1st place as the best local dealer in my book > (over CycleSport Alexandria) by their efforts to get me fork springs on > zero notice. And their prices on boots beat the online community by a > significant amount. But any how the big open house is Sat from 9-5. The > Joe Rocket guy will be on-site and they should be brimming with product > if you need something. > > ===== > * Love, not time, heals all wounds. > > * No one is perfect until you fall in love with them. And then when they aren't perfect anymore, love makes them perfect again. > > * Everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it > > * You can not forgive unless you first love. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > Bob Meyer '92 ST1100, "Candy Glory Red", STOC # 1157 '02 919, "Asphalt" If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 00:44:39 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:44:51 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Cc: At 05:18 PM 10/2/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: >> Not all cruisers are underpowered. Check out the custom ones made for >> S&S's 45th anniversary (and Harley's 100th). 145ci V-twin. Something on >> the order of 189 hp and 185 ft/lb on the dyno. Cory Ness's design went to >> dual rear belts to handle the load, with a really wide rear tire (I think >> it was a 280, but I'd have to go dig up the Hot Bikes issue that described >> them all to be sure). > >And what is the price tag for that "189hp" machine that can't out >accelerate a stock literbike? ;-) I think they are going for about half a million plus, why? How many you want? :^) They were limited edition, custom bikes made with limited production engines at the request of S&S by some of the best custom bike builders around. Each builder made something like 9 of them, and that's it. Really nice bikes though...especially the Cory Ness one. As for acceleration, I don't know that anyone has tried racing them, but I'd expect the it to be pretty good given the torque and tire size. Even with the weight of a cruiser. The main problem is going to be finding a sticky enough tire not to just burn... -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 08:18:39 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:30:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > As for acceleration, I don't know that anyone has tried racing them, but > I'd expect the it to be pretty good given the torque and tire size. Even > with the weight of a cruiser. The main problem is going to be finding a > sticky enough tire not to just burn... > > -- Mike B. Some of my friends have motorcycles that make 240-300hp. They can get down the track pretty good on a normal street tire. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 08:22:30 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 08:11:16 -0400 Why do they mess w/ the engine on Magna from the VFR and the FZ1 from the R1??? WHY?! >From: "Paul Wilson" >To: "lisagoddard" , "'DC Cycles'" > >Subject: Magna, was Re: FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike >Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:41:18 -0400 > >The Magna engines are detuned slightly compared the VFR. Identical bore >and >stroke as the VFR750 engine, but with a slightly lower compression ratio. >Translates to about ten missing ponies on the top end. Smallish gas tank >will have you stopping a lot. 3.6 gallons vs. 5.5 for the Viffer. > >http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mchonda/magna.html _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your existing Internet access and enjoy patented spam protection and more. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 08:50:28 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:50:24 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Rich asked: >Why do they mess w/ the engine on Magna from the VFR and the >FZ1 from the R1??? WHY?! > [Dave] For the same reason that GM will not produce a car, stock, which will whip the corvette. Never embarass your flagship with a less expensive, more mundane model. Remember the Buick Grand National, which begat the GNX ? Notice how the Fbody GM's came with essentially the same engine, but less horsepower / tq than the 'Vette? Fast Forward to '99. Ford modified both the Mustang 'Cobra' and reintroduced the Lightning. Unfortunately, the 5000 pound lightning routinely handed the Cobra it's a$$ at the track and in magazine test after magazine test, even after the problems were worked out with the Mustang... I think there was also some SVT politics going on that year too... I think they made a statement with the lightning to get the bean counters out of the performance arena... Ask yourself this - if you could get a bike with the same powerplant as the CBRGSXZXFZWHATEVER literbike for ... $1800 - 2200 less than the "flagship" uber sport bike, which would you buy? Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:03:12 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 09:03:03 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 Dave Yates wrote: > Ask yourself this - if you could get a bike with the same > powerplant as the CBRGSXZXFZWHATEVER literbike for ... > $1800 - 2200 less than the "flagship" uber sport bike and most likely a more comfortable riding position... > which would you buy? The one with shaft drive. :) -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:10:42 2003 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:05:02 -0400 I'm not sure cruiser is for you if you have pain in the butt bone. Cruisers have foot peg/board out in front and all the bumps from the road will hit the butt instead of absorbing with your legs on non-cruiser bike. Since you have pain in the knees as well, how about V-Strom 1000/650 or go thumper with KLR650? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Thompson" To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike > I am selling my 2002 Yamaha FZ1. I am having to go the cruiser route due to > pain in the knees and butt bone. It has 3400 miles, I changed the oil and > filter at 600 miles, 1500 miles, and at 3300 miles I went to Mobil 1 15-50 > synthetic. It has the GYRT handlebar riser and a carbon fiber Akropovic > slip-on (no jetting was required and it runs very well with it). I am asking > $6895 or would consider trading for a cruiser type bike. I love the bike, > but my body cannot handle it anymore. > > Danny > '78 FJ40 > '02 FZ1 > '02 XR250R > CSBA #150 > TLCA #13436 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:14:26 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 06:14:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Also, don't forget that the VFR is geared for something like 150 or 160mph top end. Nobody who buys a Magna (or very few at least) would want to go that fast on it. It makes little sense to waste those revs on top speeds that will never be used. Therefore, the manufacturers change the characteristics of the engine cams/gearing/compression/etc. to make the bike work better for its intended market segment. These changes are most pronounced on extremely dissimilar bikes like the VFR and Magna, less pronounced on bikes more similar like the R1/FZ1. Makes sense to me. Chris Weaver --- Dave Yates wrote: > Rich asked: > >Why do they mess w/ the engine on Magna from the > VFR and the > >FZ1 from the R1??? WHY?! > > > > [Dave] For the same reason that GM will not produce > a car, > stock, which will whip the corvette. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:25:17 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:25:10 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hork contributed: >> which would you buy? > >The one with shaft drive. :) [Dave] ACK! Cage features ! What's next? Cupholders?! ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:30:03 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 06:30:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: MFI openhouse on Sat To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Motorcycle Factory, Inc. http://www.motorcyclefactoryinc.com/ 3820 Prince William County Parkway Woodbridge, VA 22192 Local: (703) 583-9600 Toll Free: (866) 583-9600 E-mail: info@XXXXXX Cheers, Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:32:27 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:30:56 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Chris replied: >Also, don't forget that the VFR is geared for >something like 150 or 160mph top end. ... the >manufacturers change the characteristics of the engine >cams/gearing/compression/etc. to make the bike work >better for its intended market segment. [Dave] This has been the subject of much consternation in moto rags for years now. "Give us a standard with Sthandard power!" Manufacturers protests to the contrary, most of their efforts did not perform "better for it's intended market" or use. They were just, slower, less powerful, with poorer handling characteristics... The 2 efforts I can think of off the top of my head that _were_ good efforts were the Triumph 955 S3 and the Aprilia standards... Then Yam, Kaw & Honda jumped in, but their bikes, while very good efforts, ARE detuned from the root bike... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:33:50 2003 From: "Keiser, Rudy" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: MFI openhouse on Sat Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:43:26 -0400 I got a flyer from MFI too.. Here's some info: Saturday October 4 Motorcycle Factory, Inc. 3820 Prince William Parkway Woodbridge, VA 22192 703-583-9600 www.motorcyclefactoryinc.com They are a Kawasaki and Honda dealer. "free food and drinks" "All in stock units $5 over our dealer invoice" "20% off all parts and accessorises including special orders" "30% off Dunlop Street Tires and 50% off all tire mounting of tires purchased at mfi on Oct 4" "$29.95 oil change any street bike" "go for a free test ride on the new GL1800 goldwing or a shadow 750" ----------- my comments ------- My wife and I have had a good experience dealing with MFI at these open houses. We special ordered some clothing as well as bought some in-stock accessories. Good for things like visors for helmuts that even the mail order places tend not to discount. They are not a huge dealer but were very friendly compared to the usual other area dealers. Rudy '01 SV650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 09:37:04 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 09:36:55 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 Dave Yates wrote: > >The one with shaft drive. :) > > [Dave] ACK! Cage features ! What's next? Cupholders?! :) -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 10:05:50 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:03:34 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 Dave Yates wrote: > Hork contributed: > >> which would you buy? > > > >The one with shaft drive. :) > > [Dave] ACK! Cage features ! What's next? Cupholders?! > > ;-) > Dave Yates Yes! Cupholders! Check out Gold Wings, gimballed cupholders on dern near every one. Be nice and blow the Dunkin' Doughnuts suger dust offa the Gold Winger's dash when you look at those cute cupholders... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 10:16:10 2003 From: "Dan Thompson" To: "Shigeru Honda" Cc: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:15:57 -0400 Shigeru, Yes, this is something that I have thought about, but riding in my car doesn't hurt the tail bone so maybe a cruiser won't either. I have also thought about the V-strom (or similar) route, even to the point of looking into the Suzuki Bergman 650... I'll just have to see. Of course I first have to sell the FZ1. Danny '78 FJ40 '02 FZ1 '02 XR250R CSBA #150 TLCA #13436 -----Original Message----- From: Shigeru Honda [mailto:shonda3@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 9:05 AM To: Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike I'm not sure cruiser is for you if you have pain in the butt bone. Cruisers have foot peg/board out in front and all the bumps from the road will hit the butt instead of absorbing with your legs on non-cruiser bike. Since you have pain in the knees as well, how about V-Strom 1000/650 or go thumper with KLR650? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Thompson" To: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: '02 FZ1 for sale or trade for cruiser type bike > I am selling my 2002 Yamaha FZ1. I am having to go the cruiser route due to > pain in the knees and butt bone. It has 3400 miles, I changed the oil and > filter at 600 miles, 1500 miles, and at 3300 miles I went to Mobil 1 15-50 > synthetic. It has the GYRT handlebar riser and a carbon fiber Akropovic > slip-on (no jetting was required and it runs very well with it). I am asking > $6895 or would consider trading for a cruiser type bike. I love the bike, > but my body cannot handle it anymore. > > Danny > '78 FJ40 > '02 FZ1 > '02 XR250R > CSBA #150 > TLCA #13436 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 10:36:26 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:35:59 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Bill illuminated for all to see: >Yes! Cupholders! Check out Gold Wings, gimballed cupholders >on dern near every one. Be nice and blow the Dunkin' >Doughnuts suger dust offa the Gold Winger's dash when you >look at those cute cupholders... > [Dave] We're doomed as a species. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 10:54:21 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 09:54:23 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 Dave Yates wrote: >Fast Forward to '99. Ford modified both the Mustang 'Cobra' >and reintroduced the Lightning. Unfortunately, the 5000 >pound lightning routinely handed the Cobra it's a$$ at the >track and in magazine test after magazine test, even after >the problems were worked out with the Mustang... But this was at the drag-strip, not a road course, right? -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:05:13 2003 Subject: Evolution/Morning Ride (was: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1) From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 03 Oct 2003 11:01:02 -0400 On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 10:35, Dave Yates wrote: > Bill illuminated for all to see: > > >Yes! Cupholders! Check out Gold Wings, gimballed cupholders > >on dern near every one. Be nice and blow the Dunkin' > >Doughnuts suger dust offa the Gold Winger's dash when you > >look at those cute cupholders... > > > > [Dave] We're doomed as a species. > Survival of the fittest. Eventually we'll be taken over by the first group of fit attackers. > Dave Yates > OBJMoto: Two items while coming in this morning: 1. Guy stopped on the side of the road just past Occoquan in HOV. I had the space and saw him in time so I changed lanes and stopped. His bike had died and he couldn't restart it. He tried it and it just clicked. I offered him a ride that he first said ok to and then bailed on, he had to go south. He said he would call his girlfriend. I offered my cell but he had one. "Good luck" and I bailed out. 2. North of Duke, south of Seminary I was behind a line of 8 cars in the left lane. A bus followed by a tow truck slowly heading down the right lane. After we finished passing the bus, I waited (the cabbie in front of me tried to change earlier). When no one showed their intention of moving to the right lane, now clear to the head of the 8 car line of cars, I signaled, moved right and moved out. About half way up the line of traffic, as I was passing him, someone in a gold mid-sized car started moving over. I saw his mirror as I went by and flicked the wrist to get out of his way. A quick finger wave as I cleared him and then he flipped on his lights and high beams. He got behind me and followed me up to the Wash Blvd exit and left. Side note: A friend here at the office was in the regular lanes and saw it (how weird is that). His comment was that I made the GSXR look small :-) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 11:40:34 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:40:25 -0400 To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 At 09:25 AM 10/3/03 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >Hork contributed: >>> which would you buy? >> >>The one with shaft drive. :) > >[Dave] ACK! Cage features ! What's next? Cupholders?! Umm...RAM makes a cupholder attachment...and with their Gizmo adapter, you can even have that AND a GPS/Radar Detector/CB or whatever on the same mount! :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 12:10:29 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Subject: Cupholders, was Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:09:40 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Bartman" To: "Dave Yates" ; Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 > At 09:25 AM 10/3/03 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: > >Hork contributed: > >>> which would you buy? > >> > >>The one with shaft drive. :) > > > >[Dave] ACK! Cage features ! What's next? Cupholders?! > > Umm...RAM makes a cupholder attachment...and with their Gizmo adapter, you > can even have that AND a GPS/Radar Detector/CB or whatever on the same > mount! :^) > > -- Mike B. > Don't laugh, I need a double RAM mount to use my GPS and XM receiver simultaneously. My cupholder is a CamelBak. Paul in DC 95 VFR750, the souped up Magna ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:01:15 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:01:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Also, don't forget that the VFR is geared for > something like 150 or 160mph top end. Nobody who buys > a Magna (or very few at least) would want to go that > fast on it. dysart! -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:12:33 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:12:23 EDT Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/2/2003 6:14:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dave@XXXXXX writes: > Bad news: The > weakest section of MUTCD is that of determining & enforcing > speed limits. > > This is paraphrasing from the NMA members only section... Hmmmm. That seems interesting. I think I see a "poison pill" in the districts own statements about the need for photo speed enforcement (one that proves they could not possibly be in compliance with the 80% rule.) I just may have to join NMA and see if I can muddy the water a bit #:-}> John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:42:29 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:42:14 EDT Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/3/2003 8:25:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, richallmc@XXXXXX writes: > Why do they mess w/ the engine on Magna from the VFR and the FZ1 from the > R1??? WHY?! How about because it is not the same bike? The Magna does not handle like the VFR. Why do they mess w/ the frame from the VFR???..... WHY?! The Magna does not have the same ergonomics as the VFR Why do they mess w/ the ergonomics of the VFR???..... WHY?! The Magna does not look like the VFR. Why do they mess w/ the looks of the VFR???..... WHY?! If you want a VFR buy a VFR, if you want a Magna then you do not want a VFR you want a Magna. Different strokes for different folks. Loud pipes quell cells. 20-20 hindsight shows the future if you are not careful. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:45:31 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:45:10 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cupholders, was Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 Paul Wilson wrote: > Don't laugh, I need a double RAM mount to use my GPS and XM receiver > simultaneously. I'm really impressed with the RAM mounts. I've got a Streetpilot GPS on the bike now, the RAM does a fine job of keeping it steady and allowing me to place the GPS right where I want it. -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:48:44 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:48:13 EDT Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/3/2003 9:03:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > and most likely a more comfortable riding position... BTW I rode a Magna a bit back in 89(?) after about 30mi or so my inner thighs were _sore_. (hook your feet under something and lean back, the muscles you are using are the ones I am talking about.) If you are tall like I am you may have the same problem. Spend some time riding the bike if you can (sitting on it statically will not do it, the wind pushing you back is the problem.) Hell by now it may not be a problem any more, but it is worth checking out. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 14:55:29 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:50:40 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX John schemed: >Hmmmm. >That seems interesting. I think I see a "poison pill" in the >districts own statements about the need for photo speed >enforcement (one that proves they could not possibly be in >compliance with the 80% rule.) I just may have to join NMA >and see if I can muddy the water a bit #:-}> > [Dave] You should join ! But don't join with the idea of changing anything in DC... Be realistic. There is absolutely no way, with the current state of inbreeding among the DC Government, that ANY Branch of or agency of their government will be the LEAST bit troubled by thumbing their nose at the MUTCD, considering their contempt of your 2nd, 4th, 5th Amendment rights... There are some huge turds among the raw sewerage floating in that gene pool... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:01:27 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:01:08 EDT Subject: Re: Costly Lesson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/3/2003 2:55:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dave@XXXXXX writes: > Geeze. That is kinda like putting an "X" rating on a movie, it just draws em in. The trick would be to put the Feds on the bastards if they are in violation of Fed statute. Ping me off list (or on, maybe others want the info?) with join info if you have it. Thanks John. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:12:03 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 15:11:54 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 10/3/2003 9:03:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > horkster@XXXXXX writes: > > > and most likely a more comfortable riding position... > > BTW I rode a Magna a bit back in 89(?) after about 30mi or so my inner thighs > were _sore_. (hook your feet under something and lean back, the muscles you > are using are the ones I am talking about.) If you are tall like I am you may > have the same problem. Spend some time riding the bike if you can (sitting on > it statically will not do it, the wind pushing you back is the problem.) > Hell by now it may not be a problem any more, but it is worth checking out. there is a little bit of "The Flying Squirrel" on the magna, but a small fairing takes care of that. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:31:49 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:31:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Stationary target again To: DC-Cycles --- Paul Wilson wrote: > One thing to think about: some of these garages might be > publicly owned and > operated either directly by a government body or a > concessionaire. Seems to > me the "road-legal, duly licensed and insured motor > vehicle" approach would > cut a lot more ice in that case. Private property owners > are under less > obligation to accommodate you. > > I've also learned those silly little stickers are put there > by the gate manufacturers. I > park in the BWI > garage all the time, and the gates there have the stickers. > No one has > batted an eye as I proceed through the "stop, get ticket" > and cashier lines. The same problem exists in the new parking garage at National -- it will not trigger for a bike, and the gate arm is long enough that going around it is a bitch. I've written the airport manager multiple times and have yet to get a reply of any type. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 15:35:25 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:35:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Magna, was Re: FZ1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/3/2003 9:03:17 AM Eastern Daylight > Time, > horkster@XXXXXX writes: > > > and most likely a more comfortable riding position... > > BTW I rode a Magna a bit back in 89(?) after about 30mi or > so my inner thighs > were _sore_. (hook your feet under something and lean back, > the muscles you > are using are the ones I am talking about.) If you are tall > like I am you may > have the same problem. I'm 6-3, and had no discomfort putting in 300+ mile days on my 98 Magna. Very comfortable bike, even more so with the $100 Honda windshield. I'd still have it if it had a rear disk brake, rather than the antique drum... -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:09:10 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:09:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tchaka Subject: DMV Reciprocity To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey People, Got a quick question: I know that a number of DMVs across the country share information with each other....so a ticket earned in PA will show up on in VA, etc. Is there a site that tells who Virginia has reciprocal agreements with? I've searched but can't find one. Specifically, I'm trying to find out if there are agreements between Virginia and these 3 states: Florida, Indiana and Texas. Thanks! Tchaka '98 CBR F3 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:50:01 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 16:49:35 -0400 To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , DC-Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Stationary target again At 12:31 PM 10/3/03 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: >The same problem exists in the new parking garage at National >-- it will not trigger for a bike, and the gate arm is long Is the trigger photoelectric, weight, capacitance change or what? If it's weight, other than eating some more donuts, we're probably out of luck. If it's one of those magnetic field things (coil of wire in the pavement), then a good strong magnet might do it. I saw one on the CycleGadgets site yesterday, intended for just that purpose. My main worry is that it could screw up the bike's electrics...anyone have any solid info about that, or whether those green magnet things work at all? -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 16:53:52 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Stationary target again Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:53:38 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Bartman" To: ; "DC-Cycles" Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 4:49 PM Subject: Re: Stationary target again > At 12:31 PM 10/3/03 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > > >The same problem exists in the new parking garage at National > >-- it will not trigger for a bike, and the gate arm is long > > Is the trigger photoelectric, weight, capacitance change or what? > None of the above. It's inductance methinks. Big ole piece of metal in the vee-hickle induces an electric current in the loop. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 17:03:10 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:03:01 -0400 From: Skip To: Tchaka CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DMV Reciprocity Tchaka wrote: > > Hey People, > > Got a quick question: I know that a number of DMVs across the country > share information with each other....so a ticket earned in PA will show > up on in VA, etc. Is there a site that tells who Virginia has > reciprocal agreements with? I've searched but can't find one. > Specifically, I'm trying to find out if there are agreements between > Virginia and these 3 states: Florida, Indiana and Texas. Thanks! florida YES unknown on the others. ask me how I know... --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 17:19:39 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:28:54 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: DMV Reciprocity To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Hey People, > >Got a quick question: I know that a number of DMVs across >the country share information with each other....so a ticket >earned in PA will show up on in VA, etc. Is there a site >that tells who Virginia has reciprocal agreements with? >I've searched but can't find one. Specifically, I'm trying >to find out if there are agreements between >Virginia and these 3 states: Florida, Indiana and Texas. [Dave] Information on this is sometimes conflicting. The agreement you refer to is called the "driver's license compact". It was allegedly required that states participate by 2000, however, I think there is at least one hold out, possibly 2. The penalty was supposed to be not receiving fed. $$$ for transportation, but if that happened to any state, they'd be bankrupt. A google search should be sufficient to find your answer... HTH Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 18:13:17 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: GPS, Software & Routing Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:12:57 -0400 Garmin MetroGuide software will autoroute. Garmin Roads & Rec software is point to point (straight line). Just compared my European Metroguide software (routed me along the roads) with my Roads & Rec software (routed me straight across a lake). Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 19:25:47 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 19:25:51 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: GPS, Software & Routing At 06:12 PM 10/3/2003, Michael Jordan wrote: >Garmin MetroGuide software will autoroute. >Garmin Roads & Rec software is point to point (straight line). Just an update on that. Map Source 4.13 will do it (it is up to 5.2 now) but you seem to need Metro Guide 5.0 or another autorouting software. My combination of Metro Guide 4.0 and Map Source 5.2 will not autoroute. I like the new 5.0 series Map Source software. Lets you find a lot more stuff. The old one only let you find Cities. It is more eMap like on the desktop now. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 19:37:37 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 18:37:29 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: I don't know if this has been shared here.. Even if it has, it deserves a second posting. If not, this looks like it will be THE movie of the year. http://www.fastermovie.com/ Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 20:32:42 2003 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:32:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: I don't know if this has been shared here.. To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thanks Sean. That is worth seeing again. The song that Here is release info. I bit non-specific. <> It would be great if Visions in DC picked this up. --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Even if it has, it deserves a second posting. If > not, this looks like it > will be THE movie of the year. > > http://www.fastermovie.com/ > > Sean Jordan > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 3 23:48:38 2003 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 23:48:39 -0400 To: "Paul Wilson" , "DC-Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Stationary target again At 04:53 PM 10/3/03 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mike Bartman" >To: ; "DC-Cycles" >Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 4:49 PM >Subject: Re: Stationary target again > > >> At 12:31 PM 10/3/03 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: >> >> >The same problem exists in the new parking garage at National >> >-- it will not trigger for a bike, and the gate arm is long >> >> Is the trigger photoelectric, weight, capacitance change or what? >> >None of the above. It's inductance methinks. Big ole piece of metal in the >vee-hickle induces an electric current in the loop. If it's inductance then the magnet should work if it's strong enough. The vehicle doesn't induce a current in the loop...the current in the loop creates a magnetic field that the metal of the vehicle alters. The thing senses the alteration in the field and is triggered. Another magnet with its own field would affect the loop's field the same way a larger hunk of metal would...or close enough to trigger the switch anyway. So the Green Magnet thing on CycleGadgets might do the trick...the question is, what would that magnet do to, say, the charging system on the bike? They want it mounted on the bottom of the frame, and that's pretty close to where the alternator/generator on the average bike is located. I don't think an aluminum engine case is going to shield it a whole lot either. If you put it on the rear swingarm, might the rotating wheel and the fixed magnet form enough of a generator to induce currents in the wheel and lead to accelated corrosion or something? Anybody ever try one of those things? I think I understand just enough of this stuff to be dangerous...practical experience would be nice if anyone has any to share. :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 4 09:05:17 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: , "Troutman" Subject: Re: GPS, Software & Routing Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:05:04 -0400 > Just an update on that. Map Source 4.13 will do it (it is up to 5.2 now) > but you seem to need Metro Guide 5.0 or another autorouting software. My > combination of Metro Guide 4.0 and Map Source 5.2 will not autoroute. I'm on European Metro Guide (don't have the US version) 4.0 & Mapsource 5.2 and that combo does autoroute. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 4 09:25:27 2003 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: GPS, Software & Routing Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:25:18 -0400 I'm just curious if people are using the term autorouting differently. Please forgive me if everyone already understands the differences. There are two types of autorouting that Garmin supports: PC based and unit based. MetroGuide Europe 4.0 (the version I have) allows for PC based autorouting. Plug in a start and an end and it'll generate a route that follows the roads. You can then download the route to an appropriate street-level map capable GPS and it will notify you of turns. MetroGuide USA 4.01 (the version I have) allows for PC based autorouting, but it also has additional information that you can download to the GPS V, StreetPilot III, and (probably) the 2610. If you don't have one of those units, then you can still use the PC based autorouting. If you do have one of those units, you can download the map and autorouting data and let the unit autoroute while you drive. If you go off course, it'll regenerate a new route on the fly. I'm not sure why those users would use MetroGuide USA over the included City Select/City Navigator products, but you can. I've been using the PC based autorouting ever since I got both MetroGuides (and I always keep MapSource up to date, thanks Garmin!). I used them on my StreetPilot and my eTrex Vista. But, I'm in the process of replacing my eTrex with a GPS V and am enjoying the on-the-fly autorouting. I do miss the electronic compass though. Anyone interested in an eTrex Vista? Wes > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 9:05 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Troutman > Subject: Re: GPS, Software & Routing > > > Just an update on that. Map Source 4.13 will do it (it is > up to 5.2 > > now) but you seem to need Metro Guide 5.0 or another autorouting > > software. My combination of Metro Guide 4.0 and Map Source > 5.2 will not autoroute. > > I'm on European Metro Guide (don't have the US version) 4.0 & > Mapsource 5.2 and that combo does autoroute. > > Michael J. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 4 09:52:51 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: GPS, Software & Routing Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:52:38 -0400 > I'm just curious if people are using the term autorouting differently. > Please forgive me if everyone already understands the differences. Good points - and perhaps we were making assumptions. I use PC-based autorouting to establish a route and download the waypoints into my GPS for point-to-point navigation (as my GPSs do not support internal autorouting). While perhaps not as spiffy as having the GPS tell me to turn left in 1/4 mile, having it tell me that I am 800 feet from my next waypoint is good enough when I'm in the middle of nowhere with an intersection coming up in about that distance. I usually have a basic idea of direction, so figuring out which way to turn at the intersection really isn't a problem. Michael J. A.K.A. Inspector Gadget From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 4 09:53:12 2003 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:05:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Road Sense Saw this posted on the 'Busa message board - http://www.roadsense.com.au/ Interesting read! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 4 10:03:39 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Subject: Re: Road Sense Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:03:01 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79a243add361e85629cab34ff3a218357e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > Saw this posted on the 'Busa message board - http://www.roadsense.com.au/ > Interesting read! [Dave] So they're just figuring this out? Hasn't NMA been saying this for more than 10 years now ? Not that it was a bad read... Pay attention to the poor drivers, and the situation will sort itself out... But speeders are easy marks, and are a good source of revenue... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 4 20:04:17 2003 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 20:03:28 -0400 Subject: Hosting H-D and Honda From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles I now have in my garage a recent vintage Harley Davidson Softail and a '79 Honda Gl 1000 Gold Wing. And therein lies a tale. I frequent a website--http://www.horizonsunlimited.com . There I met two guys from Germany who are on a round the world trip. They are taking a break for the Winter and returning home to continue in the Spring. I am storing the bikes until they return and am to ride them every couple of weeks. If you are interested in motorcycle travel you might check out that website. It is extremely dense with information which may of interest. I spent hours reading through it before my trip to Central America this past Summer. But be warned it will hook you in. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 5 09:09:42 2003 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 06:09:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: gps To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX so what is the group recommendation? emap + 2 ram mounts? i don't care about autorouting.... or color.... but i do care about size, power consumption, ease of use with gloves on, and other moto-related factors. -- tg ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940-A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 5 09:40:24 2003 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 06:40:17 -0700 (PDT) From: David Fruehwald Subject: 2003 Honda Interceptor To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just got a shiny new Red VFR800. I was waffling between the Suzuki DL1000 and the Honda VFR800 but in the end sexy won over practical. Anybody have tips, advice, web resources that would be of help. Got a 2000 Kawasaki ZR-7 I'll be looking to find a new owner for, its a little beat up but still runs good. Just got back from running it through the dragon a few times. No, the scratches and dents did not come from the dragon, they were there before, honest. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 5 10:07:08 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: gps Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:06:21 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797acab2a89051b498f670992e535b6c03350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Gimer asked: > so what is the group recommendation? emap + 2 ram mounts? > i don't care about autorouting.... or color.... but i do > care about size, power consumption, ease of use with gloves > on, and other moto-related factors. > [Dave] I've used the eMap for years... I sprung for the 128m memory card a couple years back, and that way I can keep a sizeable number of states worth of 'detail' maps on it - 10 - 14 "areas" . MCN reviewed GPS a while back and gave the eMap two thumbs up. The only bug I have is with the 'road' names ... Most recently I was trying to find an intersection with the FFX co. pkway... Not so designated on EMap - it's "Jack Herrity" parkway... I say do it... ADC maps be damned... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 5 10:17:36 2003 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:17:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: gps At 09:09 AM 10/5/2003, you wrote: >so what is the group recommendation? emap + 2 ram mounts? >i don't care about autorouting.... or color.... but i do >care about size, power consumption, ease of use with gloves >on, and other moto-related factors. The eMap isn't water proof. Or water resistant. Use a ziploc bag over it. Other than that one factor - yes, go Garmin. Plan on : $200 eMap $150 memory upgrade $100 software $50 ram mounts _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 5 10:37:49 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: 2003 Honda Interceptor Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:37:41 -0400 > I was waffling between the Suzuki DL1000 and the Honda > VFR800 but in the end sexy won over practical. David, You came SO close... ;-) Michael J. '03 DL1000 '93 GSX 1100G '86 SRX-6 '93 Seca II (for sale) AMA IBA NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 5 12:00:25 2003 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 09:00:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: 2003 Honda Interceptor To: David Fruehwald , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Welcome! Join the VFR list http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ --- David Fruehwald wrote: > Just got a shiny new Red VFR800. > > I was waffling between the Suzuki DL1000 and the > Honda > VFR800 but in the end sexy won over practical. > > Anybody have tips, advice, web resources that would > be > of help. > > Got a 2000 Kawasaki ZR-7 I'll be looking to find a > new > owner for, its a little beat up but still runs good. > > Just got back from running it through the dragon a > few > times. No, the scratches and dents did not come > from > the dragon, they were there before, honest. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 5 13:05:45 2003 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 13:06:34 -0400 From: Shigeru Honda To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: MFI openhouse on Sat - GoldWing I went to MFI on Saturday and had a test ride on the GoldWing. What a bike... huge but it rools, super smooth, keep it on top gear at any speed. On the way home, my SuperHawk felt like a buzzy toy bike. "Keiser, Rudy" wrote: > > I got a flyer from MFI too.. Here's some info: > > Saturday October 4 > Motorcycle Factory, Inc. > 3820 Prince William Parkway > Woodbridge, VA 22192 > 703-583-9600 > www.motorcyclefactoryinc.com > They are a Kawasaki and Honda dealer. > > "free food and drinks" > "All in stock units $5 over our dealer invoice" > "20% off all parts and accessorises including special orders" > "30% off Dunlop Street Tires and 50% off all tire mounting of tires > purchased at mfi on Oct 4" > "$29.95 oil change any street bike" > "go for a free test ride on the new GL1800 goldwing or a shadow 750" > > ----------- my comments ------- > My wife and I have had a good experience dealing with MFI at these open > houses. We special ordered some clothing as well as bought some in-stock > accessories. Good for things like visors for helmuts that even the mail > order places tend not to discount. They are not a huge dealer but were very > friendly compared to the usual other area dealers. > > Rudy > '01 SV650 -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 5 13:50:04 2003 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:49:51 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: gps To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > The eMap isn't water proof. Or water resistant. Use a ziploc bag > over it. but it does withstand SOME wet. Mine got soaked and still runs. > Other than that one factor - yes, go Garmin. Plan on : > $200 eMap > $150 memory upgrade > $100 software > $50 ram mounts and about $15 in various bits of wire, voltage converter and some power connectors and you can run it off the bike. I have type N accessory sockets on my fairing now. Can run CD/Radio/FRS/GPS/etc. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 07:43:34 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 04:43:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: DC Cycles As we near the end of the riding season, my mind wanders to the idea of getting a new bike for the spring, possibly purchasing over the winter when the dealers are hungry. My kz 440 ltd has done it's duty as a starter bike, and I've learned to turn a wrench on it, but now I'd like something more comfortable for longer rides, that starts every time I want it to. Something with a warranty would be ideal. Generally a standard, with an upright sitting position. Japanese for future access to dealers & parts. Big & comfortable enough to consider touring, or at least sport touring. Ideally less plastic to make maintenance easier, and minimize costs for when/if if gets dropped or knocked over in a parking lot. Big enough to fit me - I'm 6'-2", 220 lbs. As my buddy called me, jack the pumpkin king with a gut. Enough power to be fun in the twisties, and to cruise all day at 80 without working too hard. Oh yeah, price is a consideration.... Ideas / suggestions? So far the Bandit 1200s is a leading contender. Colemans has the 2003 models for $1000 off the msrp of $7400, plus taxes/frieght/licensing. I've been tempted by the V-Strom, but I haven't found one to sit on, and they're more expensive. I've also been tempted by the Concours, but it's a lot of plastic hiding things. The SV1000 was too small - my legs didn't fit into the tank dents. Most sport bikes were too sporty, and I don't want to crouch over like that for longer periods. The honda 919 was tempting, but a bit too sporty, I think. Any other bikes I should look at? Thanks for your input. Brian __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 08:16:57 2003 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 08:14:29 -0400 From: Tom To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: MFI openhouse on Sat - GoldWing Shigeru Honda wrote: >I went to MFI on Saturday and had a test ride on the GoldWing. >What a bike... huge but it rools, super smooth, keep it on top gear at >any speed. > > Got to ride one a year or so ago, more than just an Accord with two wheels... say what you want - ride one - lots 'o torque. Feels like you could easily wheelie it. Go 1 mph and it feels like a 400lb bike (well almost). >On the way home, my SuperHawk felt like a buzzy toy bike. > > I gotta say though, it made my VTR feel lighter and faster :-p. Oh ya - MFI did some repair work for me, responsive, fast, and polite ( I probably just jinxed them - sorry ). Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 08:25:50 2003 From: "Dan Thompson" To: "Brian Ray" Cc: "Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:25:45 -0400 You might want to consider an FZ1 from Yamaha, especially since I have a really nice one for sale :). I am 6' and 240 lbs and it fits me fine except that I have developed bad arthritis in my knees and I can't ride for more than about an hour now. I plan to get a cruiser type bike. :( Another option would be a VFR, but that has a lot of plastic. If price were not such a concern, the BMW R1150R would be ideal. You can find them for around mid $8k used in nice condition with some options. (I know because I test rode one at Bob's BMW Saturday) Also, the new BMW Rockster is very tempting with their .9% financing for up to 5 years and they make the first 3 payments, plus the perks of owning a BMW like 3 year warranty, loaner bikes, discounts on Edelweiss tours, roadside assistance, etc. This bike is probably exactly what you would want except for price (mid $10's). I test rode one of these and because of the adjustable seat it fit without paining my knees, I was awfully tempted. If I had my FZ1 sold I would probably have bought it. Anyway before I start sounding like a salesman for BMW (can you tell I was impressed?) I'll shut-up. I would be very leery of the Concourse, a very dated bike that really isn't a step in the right direction in my opinion. Kawasaki's ZRX 1200 might be worth looking into, but I doubt the Z1000 would fit, in the same way the SVS didn't. Another thought might be the non S version of the SV, did you try one of those? Good luck finding something, don't be in a hurry. Danny '78 FJ40 '02 FZ1 '02 XR250R CSBA #150 TLCA #13436 -----Original Message----- From: Brian Ray [mailto:bdaleray@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 7:43 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? As we near the end of the riding season, my mind wanders to the idea of getting a new bike for the spring, possibly purchasing over the winter when the dealers are hungry. My kz 440 ltd has done it's duty as a starter bike, and I've learned to turn a wrench on it, but now I'd like something more comfortable for longer rides, that starts every time I want it to. Something with a warranty would be ideal. Generally a standard, with an upright sitting position. Japanese for future access to dealers & parts. Big & comfortable enough to consider touring, or at least sport touring. Ideally less plastic to make maintenance easier, and minimize costs for when/if if gets dropped or knocked over in a parking lot. Big enough to fit me - I'm 6'-2", 220 lbs. As my buddy called me, jack the pumpkin king with a gut. Enough power to be fun in the twisties, and to cruise all day at 80 without working too hard. Oh yeah, price is a consideration.... Ideas / suggestions? So far the Bandit 1200s is a leading contender. Colemans has the 2003 models for $1000 off the msrp of $7400, plus taxes/frieght/licensing. I've been tempted by the V-Strom, but I haven't found one to sit on, and they're more expensive. I've also been tempted by the Concours, but it's a lot of plastic hiding things. The SV1000 was too small - my legs didn't fit into the tank dents. Most sport bikes were too sporty, and I don't want to crouch over like that for longer periods. The honda 919 was tempting, but a bit too sporty, I think. Any other bikes I should look at? Thanks for your input. Brian __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 08:43:10 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 05:43:03 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX There is a used '99 Kawi ZR-7 right here in the local area. MFI is hurting to sell their Z1000's. I would be surprised if you couldn't walk out the door for $7000. If you want Suzuki and want a good price, call Romney Cycles in romney WV up. Or other good places to deal with are Shanandoah Honda and the Yam/Kaw/Suz out in Winchester. I'm not kidding, also try a Buell XB9S, albeit it's "different". Come on down to the dealer at exit 152 on I-95 and take one for a flog down around the curvy roads of Quantico. > So far the Bandit 1200s is a leading contender. > Colemans has the 2003 models for $1000 off the msrp of > $7400, plus taxes/frieght/licensing. you can do MUCH better than throwing money at Coleman's. Frankly take your business elsewhere. Locally CAD cycles (also Suzi) in Gaithersburg will do you right good. And they had a few Bandit's kicking around. > I've been tempted by the V-Strom, but I haven't found > one to sit on, and they're more expensive. I've also Freckericksburg Motors? it's at exit 130 (rt 608) on I-95 has/had v-strom's. It's a fairly tall bike, too. My eyes are on the DL650, though. > periods. The honda 919 was tempting, but a bit too > sporty, I think. I think the 919 in Honda tradition is overpriced for what you get. There is a guy in East Falls Church with a very nice '95 Triumph Sprint for sale. Like $3000. The T3 series bikes are way fun. IMO better than the newer ones but I'm probably biased seeing as how I owned a Trident/Speed3. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 09:38:08 2003 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 09:37:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: 3 in 38k. Drop this a.m. I don't get it. This morning I dropped the VFR on the right side at a no-grade stop sign which I stop at every day. In 38k miles this is the third drop. Number one was a disc lock incident I continue to blame on Laura (Granato) Roach. Number two was a slow speed parking lot hill disaster I blame on my inner ear and bad judgement. Now this. I couldn't find any sign of spillage on the intersection, and I did nothing unusual as I stopped. The tires were hot and all was well. But as I stopped to turn right, the bike just came over. Not cold enough for black ice and too early for sanding. Fortunately there were only a couple of character scratches to match those already on the left side. No bent brake lever or shifter. Picked it up in record time - adrenaline helps. Pinned my leg under the frame, but no harm. Anyone ever have that happen where they couldn't explain it? I suppose my weight _must_ have shifted to the right, but I sure didn't notice. It sure caught me off guard since it trapped my leg. Argh. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 09:39:08 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 06:39:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles --- Brian Ray wrote: > As we near the end of the riding season.... End? Riding season? What end? >.... Most sport bikes were too sporty, and I > don't want to crouch over like that for longer > periods. The honda 919 was tempting, but a bit too > sporty, I think. I'm 6'3", 220, and find my 919 all-day comfy. Given that so many people find the VFR's position suitable for long trips, the 919 is an easy chair. And with a cheap windshield add-on, like my Maier, high-speed cruising is really good. You might want to ride one and judge for yourself. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 09:42:06 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 06:42:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- matthew patton wrote: >... I'm not kidding, also try a > Buell XB9S, > albeit it's "different". ...and has an *extremely* tight leg position for all-day riding. Much tighter than the Falco or Superhak, for example. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 09:47:48 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 06:47:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: 3 in 38k. Drop this a.m. To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Troutman wrote: > I don't get it. This morning I dropped the VFR on the > right side at a no-grade stop sign which I stop at every day. >.... Not cold enough for black ice and too early for sanding. There has been a lot of crap all over the roads since the hurricane went through. On my last ride a week ago, I caught some of the nearly invisible black granular stuff under the rear wheel under braking, and the back end kicked sideways pretty well. This too was at a place where I ride every day. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 09:48:59 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:00:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: 3 in 38k. Drop this a.m. On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Troutman wrote: > Fortunately there were only a couple of character scratches to match those > already on the left side. No bent brake lever or shifter. Picked it up in > record time - adrenaline helps. Pinned my leg under the frame, but no harm. > > Anyone ever have that happen where they couldn't explain it? I suppose my > weight _must_ have shifted to the right, but I sure didn't notice. It sure > caught me off guard since it trapped my leg. Argh. Sorry to hear it, Mike. Good thing there wasn't too much damage (to you or the bike). Do you think you were a bit tired this AM and lost concentration for a moment? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 09:52:06 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 06:52:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: 3 in 38k. Drop this a.m. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cold and/or damp pavement comes to mind. Just because your tires are warmed up doesn't mean the surface you are riding on is. Glenn --- Troutman wrote: > I don't get it. This morning I dropped the VFR on > the right side at a __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 10:06:41 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 07:06:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: gps To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Software comes with the eMap. You shouldn't NEED to buy any unless you want to supplement the Garmin software. Chris Weaver --- Troutman wrote: > Other than that one factor - yes, go Garmin. Plan > on : > $200 eMap > $150 memory upgrade > $100 software > $50 ram mounts __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 10:10:35 2003 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:10:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: gps Maybe with your package. The basic unit doesn't come with software besides the basemap which is just interstate and major secondary roads.. http://www.thegpsstore.net/detail_GA00167.asp I ordered Metro Guide 5 the other day off of eBay. Saved about $20. Hope the map data is a lot more current than 4.0 was. At 10:06 AM 10/6/2003, you wrote: >Software comes with the eMap. You shouldn't NEED to >buy any unless you want to supplement the Garmin >software. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 10:16:27 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 07:16:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: gps To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yep, with my package it did come with software - I forget the exact name since I haven't fiddled with it in a while. I bought the whole thing for $200 about three or four years ago (plus RAM mounts). Perhaps they've altered the package? The base map that's hard-coded into the unit itself consists only of fairly major highways, but the "areas" you load into the unit from the software are fairly detailed. I got a 16mb card for Christmas a couple of years back and it holds two "areas". I have the DC area and the tri-state (VA/WV/PA) area loaded and it's all I've needed over the last couple of years. Granted, if I went on a long trip I might want to spring for more memory. For weekend rides out to WV and back, it's great. Chris --- Troutman wrote: > Maybe with your package. The basic unit doesn't > come with software besides > the basemap which is just interstate and major > secondary roads.. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 10:19:14 2003 Subject: RE: 3 in 38k. Drop this a.m. Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:19:07 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Troutman" Cc: Bummer! Leg under frame? Was your foot on the ground, or did it happen before you stopped completely? Glad to hear it wasn't any worse. I have had a couple of close calls lately, boot slipped on oil patch when I set foot to pavement, left me hopping to keep the bike upright. I agree with other posts, tires may need a little longer to warm up, recent "heat wave" notwithstanding... Robert -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 9:38 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 3 in 38k. Drop this a.m. Fortunately there were only a couple of character scratches to match those already on the left side. No bent brake lever or shifter. Picked it up in record time - adrenaline helps. Pinned my leg under the frame, but no harm. Anyone ever have that happen where they couldn't explain it? I suppose my weight _must_ have shifted to the right, but I sure didn't notice. It sure caught me off guard since it trapped my leg. Argh. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 10:22:46 2003 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:22:28 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: RE: 3 in 38k. Drop this a.m. At 10:19 AM 10/6/2003, Verde, Robert wrote: >Bummer! Leg under frame? Was your foot on the ground, or did it happen >before you stopped completely? Glad to hear it wasn't any worse. Foot was on the ground, or just about there. >I have had a couple of close calls lately, boot slipped on oil patch when >I set foot to pavement, left me hopping to keep the bike upright. I agree >with other posts, tires may need a little longer to warm up, recent "heat >wave" notwithstanding... I forgot to mention I was 5 minutes from work, 45 minutes into my ride! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 10:50:03 2003 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: gps Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:49:49 -0400 > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:11 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: gps > > I ordered Metro Guide 5 the other day off of eBay. Saved > about $20. Hope the map data is a lot more current than 4.0 was. If I recall correctly the big change in MetroGuide USA 5 is that Garmin switched to a different data provider (Nav Tech). I believe I read that you will find better information in some areas and worse information in other areas. But, Garmin's web site claims that Nav Tech data is much better than whatever they used before. Once you get it, I'd be interested in hearing what you think of it. I might want to upgrade to version 5 as well. I wish Garmin would offer one single set of mapping data for the USA. I understand that City Select and City Navigator contain different autorouting data to accommodate the different levels of processing power the GPS V and SP3/2610 have. But, why can't they just choose one set of mapping data (especially now when all products use Nav Tech data) and include all the autorouting information for all their units, then let MapSource download whatever is necessary. This way I don't have to wonder if MetroGuide USA 4 or 5 data is better than City Select (since I have both). Wes From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 10:57:01 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 07:56:53 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: anyone here have a VN800 Vulcan and want an adjustable shock? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I got one brand spankin' new because Hagon (www.hagon-shocks.co.uk) screwed up. I figured I'd ask here before I send it back to Dave Quinn in CT. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 11:13:14 2003 Subject: Re: anyone here have a VN800 Vulcan and want an adjustable shock? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:13:00 -0500 From: To: Don't VN800's have 2 shocks? >>> matthew patton 10/06/03 10:56AM >>> I got one brand spankin' new because Hagon (www.hagon-shocks.co.uk) screwed up. I figured I'd ask here before I send it back to Dave Quinn in CT. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 11:18:51 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:18:28 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: anyone here have a VN800 Vulcan and want an adjustable shock? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > Don't VN800's have 2 shocks? nope. next time check kawasaki.com. the big models have 2 though. ===== * Love, not time, heals all wounds. * No one is perfect until you fall in love with them. And then when they aren't perfect anymore, love makes them perfect again. * Everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it * You can not forgive unless you first love. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 11:25:13 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:24:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 3 in 38k. Drop this a.m. On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Troutman wrote: > Fortunately there were only a couple of character scratches to match those > already on the left side. No bent brake lever or shifter. Picked it up in > record time - adrenaline helps. Pinned my leg under the frame, but no harm. > > Anyone ever have that happen where they couldn't explain it? I suppose my > weight _must_ have shifted to the right, but I sure didn't notice. It sure > caught me off guard since it trapped my leg. Argh. The streets have been littered with acorns and hickory nuts lately -- perhaps you found one of those the hard way? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 11:48:31 2003 Subject: FASTER (MotoGP movie) release info update From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 06 Oct 2003 11:48:23 -0400 Don't know how many people have seen/heard about this movie, but they just announced that they're going to have it in US cinemas by X-mas, and have the DVDs out early next year. The movie is sort of like a modern version of "Grand Prix" with 500cc bikes instead of F1 cars. Ewan McGregor is the narrator. The trailer and info is on http://www.fastermovie.com - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 11:49:41 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , Brian Ray , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:49:34 -0400 > > From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" > Date: 2003/10/06 Mon AM 09:39:00 EDT > To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles > Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? > > --- Brian Ray wrote: > > As we near the end of the riding season.... > > End? Riding season? What end? > > >.... Most sport bikes were too sporty, and I > > don't want to crouch over like that for longer > > periods. The honda 919 was tempting, but a bit too > > sporty, I think. > > I'm 6'3", 220, and find my 919 all-day comfy. Given that so > many people find the VFR's position suitable for long trips, > the 919 is an easy chair. And with a cheap windshield add-on, > like my Maier, high-speed cruising is really good. You might > want to ride one and judge for yourself. I agree. The riding position on the 919 is very much like the "standard" bikes of the 70s. My arthritic, old shoulders and back can't take the VFR, but I have no problem putting a couple of hours in on the 919. Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 '02 ST1100A, '92 ST1100, '02 919, "Asphalt" If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 11:54:21 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:54:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: FASTER (MotoGP movie) release info update To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Brian, the trailer was posted by Sean on Friday. Great looking movie. I wonder if any theaters will actually carry it though.... --- Brian Roach wrote: > > Don't know how many people have seen/heard about > this movie, but they > just announced that they're going to have it in US > cinemas by X-mas, and > have the DVDs out early next year. The movie is sort > of like a modern > version of "Grand Prix" with 500cc bikes instead of > F1 cars. Ewan > McGregor is the narrator. > > The trailer and info is on > http://www.fastermovie.com > > - Roach > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 12:00:14 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FASTER (MotoGP movie) release info update Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:00:06 -0400 I've seen the trailer, and it is awesome. Especially be sure to check out the wheelie just before the end. > > From: Brian Roach > Date: 2003/10/06 Mon AM 11:48:23 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: FASTER (MotoGP movie) release info update > > > Don't know how many people have seen/heard about this movie, but they > just announced that they're going to have it in US cinemas by X-mas, and > have the DVDs out early next year. The movie is sort of like a modern > version of "Grand Prix" with 500cc bikes instead of F1 cars. Ewan > McGregor is the narrator. > > The trailer and info is on http://www.fastermovie.com > > - Roach > > Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 '02 ST1100A, '92 ST1100, '02 919, "Asphalt" If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 12:05:25 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:05:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: FASTER (MotoGP movie) release info update To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX The soundtrack from Black Rebel Motorcycle Club is awesome too. --- Bob Meyer wrote: > I've seen the trailer, and it is awesome. > Especially be sure to check out the wheelie just > before the end. > > > > > > From: Brian Roach > > Date: 2003/10/06 Mon AM 11:48:23 EDT > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: FASTER (MotoGP movie) release info update > > > > > > Don't know how many people have seen/heard about > this movie, but they > > just announced that they're going to have it in US > cinemas by X-mas, and > > have the DVDs out early next year. The movie is > sort of like a modern > > version of "Grand Prix" with 500cc bikes instead > of F1 cars. Ewan > > McGregor is the narrator. > > > > The trailer and info is on > http://www.fastermovie.com > > > > - Roach > > > > > > Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 > '02 ST1100A, > '92 ST1100, > '02 919, "Asphalt" > > If you can't be a good example, then you'll just > have to be a horrible warning. > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 12:06:20 2003 Subject: Re: FASTER (MotoGP movie) release info update From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 06 Oct 2003 12:06:11 -0400 On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 11:54, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Brian, the trailer was posted by Sean on Friday. > Great looking movie. ::Doh!:: Sorry, my wonderful cable provider lost about 80% of their network on Fri - Sat, myself included ... I'm still not caught up on all the messages. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 12:17:34 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:17:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: FASTER (MotoGP movie) Oh my yes. That was fun, even with the sound off... From the looks of it, it's definitely a movie to show to my mother. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 12:20:28 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:20:11 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: FASTER (MotoGP movie) release info update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I watched that wheelie in real-time. Or tape delay. Whatever it was when they showed it on the air the first time. Oh man, that was a nailbiter. Wouldn't want to see the color of his shorts after that one. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 12:20:55 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:20:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Blown Solenoid. I've been having starting troubles lately, starting (IIRC) with my little spill awhile ago. Sometimes I'd hit the starter and... nothing, not even the whicka-whicka-whicka of a hosed carburetor -- a sound I'd just as rather never hear again, thanks. But if I left it alone for awhile, it'd start right up. Aah, intermittent failure, just the thing I looove to troubleshoot. Anyway, this morning I went to start the bike up and it failed once again... but when I took my helmet off and earplugs out, I could hear a faint 'tick' coming from the solenoid. So I tossed the solenoid from the spare-parts bike (which I'll get running again... someday) on, and viola, all is well. Weird. Fish. how much do new solenoids cost, anyway? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 12:34:18 2003 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:34:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: FASTER (MotoGP movie) release info update At 12:00 10/6/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I've seen the trailer, and it is awesome. Especially be sure to check out >the wheelie just before the end. As I recall, the holy-sh!t maneuver was performed by the inestimable Max Biaggi. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 12:44:09 2003 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:43:45 -0400 From: Skip To: Tom CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: MFI openhouse on Sat - GoldWing Tom wrote: > Got to ride one a year or so ago, more than just an Accord with two > wheels... say what you want - ride one - lots 'o torque. Feels like > you could easily wheelie it. Go 1 mph and it feels like a 400lb bike > (well almost). I was sitting at a light, about three cars back, two lanes of traffic. a guy on a goldwing pulls up next to me. I nod, he grins, revealing blackened and green teeth. the light turns green, he pulls a wheelie and lane splits until he's passed all the cages, then zooms off. I was astounded. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 13:07:53 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:07:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Cabins, Motels, Inns in the Mountains To: DC Cycles Can anyone recommend a nice cabin, inn or such (hot tub) that is in 3-4 hours (or less) riding distance from DC? Thanks, looking for a getaway this weekend. ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 13:09:07 2003 Subject: Things you learn with a motorcycle in your livingroom From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 06 Oct 2003 13:08:59 -0400 Ok ... so, we don't have a garage at the moment, and I don't particularly like keeping a rare, collectible NSR sitting outside until I install a bolt-down kit. Apparently, cats find soft-compound race tires a very suitable scratching post. I keep having to shoo the little buggers away from it! - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 13:11:26 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:11:21 -0400 (EDT) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cabins, Motels, Inns in the Mountains On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Can anyone recommend a nice cabin, inn or such (hot > tub) that is in 3-4 hours (or less) riding distance > from DC? lost river state park, WV. www.lostriversp.com They have VERY nice cabins, and very reasonable rates during the off season (Labor day to Memorial) 2 day minimum rental on weekends tho. -J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 13:25:15 2003 Subject: Re: Cabins, Motels, Inns in the Mountains Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:25:00 -0500 From: To: What about the Coolfont resort in Berkeley Springs WV, not that far and some good riding up there. George >>> Mark Kitchell 10/06/03 01:07PM >>> Can anyone recommend a nice cabin, inn or such (hot tub) that is in 3-4 hours (or less) riding distance from DC? Thanks, looking for a getaway this weekend. ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 13:28:07 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:23:30 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Things you learn with a motorcycle in your livingroom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Roach complained: ... >Apparently, cats find soft-compound race tires a very >suitable scratching post. I keep having to shoo the little >buggers away from it! [Dave] Kitten skewers, Cat tenders, Tabby Nuggets, Cajun 'Flatline feline', are all excellent appetizers... so I've heard. And, Cat leather is veeeeeerrrrrrry soft & supple. Cat byproducts can also be sold to music stores, plus Wiccan and Voodoo spell supply stores. Save the paws though, they make excellent back scratchers on a stick... HTH Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 13:29:10 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:29:05 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Paging Leon B. Leon - what are the critical measurements for your small circles? Thanks Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 13:33:39 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:33:34 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: Cabins, Motels, Inns in the Mountains At 10:07 AM -0700 10/6/03, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Can anyone recommend a nice cabin, inn or such (hot >tub) that is in 3-4 hours (or less) riding distance >from DC? > >Thanks, looking for a getaway this weekend. Drat. I had stumbled across a motel/resort/whatever that *only* catered to cycles (VA? WV?) Now when I look I can see quite a few about (http://www.rustlingleaves.com/ ) ( http://www.geocities.com/willvillemc/ ) (http://www.motorcycle-madness.com/stories/2001/thunder/thunder.htm ) etc. But, as a kid, I always liked Deep Creek Lake up in the tip of Maryland. http://www.dnr.state.md.us/publiclands/western/deepcreeklake.html They've got an online cabin reservation system as well (bottom of that page) and one cabin is $45/ night for instance (capacity 6) [huh. found this site while looking for folk who ride around that area - http://www.bikerfriendlyusa.com/states/maryland.html - one dude has a cabin for rent in that area] good luck, Erick - 74' CB-750 [used muffler coming any day now...] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 13:42:06 2003 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 13:41:56 -0400 To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? At 04:43 AM 10/6/03 -0700, Brian Ray wrote: >As we near the end of the riding season, my mind Huh??? There's an end?? Aw, geeezzzz..... ;^) >but now I'd like something more comfortable for >longer rides, that starts every time I want it to. >Something with a warranty would be ideal. > >Generally a standard, with an upright sitting >position. How about a Harley-Davidson Softail or Road King? >Japanese for future access to dealers & parts. Are you moving to Japan? If not, H-D dealers are everywhere, and parts are plentiful from them as well as a number of after-market suppliers (J&P, Custom Chrome, S&S, etc., etc.). You could build a H-D-like bike from the ground up with 3rd party parts if you wanted to. >Big & comfortable enough to consider touring, >or at least sport touring. Softail or Road King... >Ideally less plastic to >make maintenance easier, and minimize costs for >when/if if gets dropped or knocked over in a parking >lot. Softail or Road King...though there is *some* plastic on them these days (fender trim for instance, and windsheilds of course). Only the touring bikes have extensive front-end plastic fairings. >Big enough to fit me - I'm 6'-2", 220 lbs. Same suggestions...I'm 6'6" and 270 lbs, and my Softail fits me just fine...after I put the Bubba's Brakes extended floorboard and foot controls kit on it. For you that probably wouldn't be required unless you are all legs or something. >As my buddy called me, jack the pumpkin king with a gut. >Enough power to be fun in the twisties, and to cruise >all day at 80 without working too hard. If you want to play in twisties, be careful which model of Softail or Road King you get...my Heritage Classic, for instance, has a more limited max lean angle than the sportier ones (I've already scraped a floorboard support once, though that required bottomming the suspension in a bump while making a left turn). The H-D cataloge/brochure has a chart that lists lean angles. None (other than the Sportster maybe) are what a sport-biker is used to, but they aren't bad for touring/cruising/just riding around, which is what the bikes are designed for. >Oh yeah, price is a consideration.... Oh. Well...that might be a problem. Nevermind! :^) >Any other bikes I should look at? Maybe an older BMW? Some of them are pretty big (there was one...an RT1200GS I think it was...that fit me pretty well. The new cost is about the same as a H-D though). Or maybe a seriously aged H-D? (they tend to hold value really well...great if you are selling, not so good if you are buying). Since you are looking at something for next spring rather than next week, and you've learned to use a wrench, would buying a basket case and rebuilding from the frame up be a possibility? That might get you a really nice bike for a reasonable price if you can find the right "project bike" (one that needs a lot of work, but not a lot of expensive parts...). -- Mike Bartman **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 13:52:15 2003 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:52:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Circles measurements Cc: mike@XXXXXX Paul Wilson provided the following document after one of Leon's famous events. http://users.erols.com/pawilson/leonscircles.pdf -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 14:00:20 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:00:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: FitE IX. Is anyone (other than Hork, Leon, Louis) going down to Feast in the East this year? I'm waffling. Looks like rooms are still available ($35 for one person, $37 for two), and apparently the rallymaster is still accepting registrants... but that's my anniversary weekend, and I don't know if SWMBO would be too happy with me taking off for most of it. Hmm. Tough call. The rally website is at http://www.automated-design.com/feast/ if anyone's interested. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 14:02:19 2003 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 13:50:09 -0400 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: 3 in 38k. Drop this a.m. At 09:37 AM 10/6/03 -0400, Troutman wrote: >Anyone ever have that happen where they couldn't explain it? I suppose my >weight _must_ have shifted to the right, but I sure didn't notice. It sure >caught me off guard since it trapped my leg. Argh. No, never had that happen (yet), but I have had experience with things happening really fast (bit catch when routing on a Shopsmith...workpiece *teleported* 6" in zero time...as far as my perception was concerned. The tool is faster than the eye...) and with things wiping out short term memory (head smack on a pedal bike as a kid. Concussion. Don't remember the fall at all to this day.). Is it possible that there was something like a clutch grab or something that triggered the drop, and maybe enough startlement that you lost the short-term memory of the event? The brain is a strange place at times... Other than a perceptual/memory thing I don't have any ideas either. You ruled out all the obvious things. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 14:02:24 2003 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 13:57:33 -0400 To: Skip , Tom From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: MFI openhouse on Sat - GoldWing Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" At 12:43 PM 10/6/03 -0400, Skip wrote: > >I was sitting at a light, about three cars back, two lanes of traffic. a guy on >a goldwing pulls up next to me. I nod, he grins, revealing blackened and green >teeth. the light turns green, he pulls a wheelie and lane splits until he's >passed all the cages, then zooms off. I was astounded. Yeah, those things run real good on 'shine...you didn't hear banjo music did you? :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 14:07:23 2003 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 14:02:16 -0400 To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Cabins, Motels, Inns in the Mountains At 10:07 AM 10/6/03 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Can anyone recommend a nice cabin, inn or such (hot >tub) that is in 3-4 hours (or less) riding distance >from DC? > >Thanks, looking for a getaway this weekend. Avalon, in Paw-Paw, WV has hot tubs...and a heated indoor pool. They have inn-type rooms, condos and camping spaces. About 2.5-3 hours from D.C., with some really twisty roads if you come in from the north (use I-270 to Frederick, then I-68 west to the turnoff south to go that way). You can also pack really light for the stay...it's a nudist resort. :^) http://www.avalon-resort.com -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 14:11:45 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: FitE IX. Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:11:26 -0400 Go for it. You'll [probably] have another anniversary next year. ;-) You may want to cut your teeth on a 11-hour (usually during daylight hours) rally before doing a 24-hour. Speaking of which, if you want to avoid licking the third rail of marital politics, there's a 24-hour one starting in York, Pa. on 10/31, at 23:59, to be exact. I'm thinking about doing it now that I have decent lights, DC DMV drones notwithstanding. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" > Is anyone (other than Hork, Leon, Louis) going down to Feast in the East > this year? I'm waffling. Looks like rooms are still available ($35 for one > person, $37 for two), and apparently the rallymaster is still accepting > registrants... but that's my anniversary weekend, and I don't know if > SWMBO would be too happy with me taking off for most of it. Hmm. Tough > call. > > The rally website is at http://www.automated-design.com/feast/ if anyone's > interested. > > Fish. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 14:15:00 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:14:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Fall Foliage Ride. Apparently Coleman's is having a fall foliage ride on 19 October. Both locations. Rider meeting at 0900, departure is 0930. That's all I know. Falls Church: 435 S Washington St, 703-237-3400. Woodbridge: 14105 Telegraph Rd, 703-397-1500. Another great riding opportunity on that weeken. Hmmph. I'm going to have to move my anniversary around for next year. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 14:17:59 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:17:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Circles measurements Sean Jordan wrote: > http://users.erols.com/pawilson/leonscircles.pdf Damn. Now I'm doubly sorry I couldn't make it... those look like _fun_. Hard, maybe, but fun. Fish. needs more practice From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 14:31:23 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:31:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Faas Subject: Re:Bark at the Moon, [was: FitE IX.] To: Paul Wilson , DC-Cycles The rally you refer to on Halloween Night is the Bark at the Moon rally....and despite all cautions against it, this will be the rally I cut my teeth on. :-) )B  For those interested, the website is: http://www.batldr.com/bark_at_the_moon.htm Looks like it will be a good time. Almost as fun as sitting in the bushes with a paintball gun waiting for the TP'ers to show up...err, I mean... Brad '04 FJR1300 ABS '00 SV650 '99 SV650 Paul Wilson wrote: Speaking of which, if you want to avoid licking the third rail of marital politics, there's a 24-hour one starting in York, Pa. on 10/31, at 23:59, to be exact. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 17:13:58 2003 From: "Charlie Ozark" To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cabins, Motels, Inns in the Mountains Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:01:53 -0400 check out: http://www.mountain-lodging.com/virginia.htm for loads of owner-operator type cabins, most near shenadoah. be sure to ask the owner about the road in. i rented one this summer that turned out to be on a radically steep, heavily rutted fire road. >From: Mark Kitchell >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Cabins, Motels, Inns in the Mountains >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:07:49 -0700 (PDT) > >Can anyone recommend a nice cabin, inn or such (hot >tub) that is in 3-4 hours (or less) riding distance >from DC? > >Thanks, looking for a getaway this weekend. > >===== >www.deanforamerica.com > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC. Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 18:01:42 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Steele Subject: Jetting: ten cent version? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Can someone give me a ten cent version of jetting? Why we do it, what it does, how it works (approximately)? Newbies unite! -Sean __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 18:13:50 2003 Subject: Re: Jetting: ten cent version? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:14:00 -0500 From: To: Makes you bike run smoother, and make more power, sometimes with the right exhaust a lot more. Involves removing the carbs from the bike, and taking them apart to replace little brass thingys (the jets) also changing the needles too. Very labor intensive, gas smell, lots of little things to drop on the ground and sometimes needs to be done a few times if not set right. Thank god for fuel injection What kind of bike do you have? George 02 VFR (fuel injected) >>> Sean Steele 10/06/03 06:01PM >>> Can someone give me a ten cent version of jetting? Why we do it, what it does, how it works (approximately)? Newbies unite! -Sean __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 18:19:24 2003 Subject: RE: Jetting: ten cent version? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:19:17 -0400 From: "John Yang" To: "Sean Steele" , You jet whenever there has been a change in the fuel/air delivery/exhaust path. So slip on exhaust, race exhaust, high flow air filter, etc. When these change, it changes the fuel air mixture, and you leave the area of optimal combustion. Jetting is the way fuel is delivered in carb bikes. Also done on new bikes that may leave the factory lean to meet US exhaust standards. Only applies to carbureted bikes. FI bikes do this automatically by using the O2 sensors and adjusting the FI to compensate for any changes. (or so I think, don't have a FI bike) I think the fuel mapping can be changed on FI bikes to do similar tweaks that are done with jets if needed. Good resources: http://www.factorypro.com/tech/carbtune,CV,high_rpm_engines.html http://www.sudco.com/ they have jets and other parts A little daunting, but not very difficult. Did it last winter on my gs500. Hope this helps. John. -----Original Message----- From: Sean Steele [mailto:seanwebmail@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 6:02 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Jetting: ten cent version? Can someone give me a ten cent version of jetting? Why we do it, what it does, how it works (approximately)? Newbies unite! -Sean __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 18:32:52 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Jetting: ten cent version? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:36:07 -0400 There are generally 3 things that affect "jetting." The pilot jet, the needle, and the main jet. They each overlap each other as the fuel is delivered, but roughly it's pilot controls idle to 1/4 throttle, needle controls 1/4 to 3/4 and main from 3/4 to WOT. That's a generalization, but it gives you an idea of what's what. The pilot and main jets screw in and are easily replaceable by just removing the float bowl. The needle is connected to the slide and is held in with a clip that sometimes allows you to adjust the needle up and down. There is also an air/fuel mixture screw (sometimes confusingly called a pilot screw) that adjusts the mixture at idle. That's probably not even a 10 cent version, but you'll get an idea. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: George.Cole@XXXXXX [SMTP:George.Cole@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 6:14 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Jetting: ten cent version? > > Makes you bike run smoother, and make more power, sometimes with the > right > exhaust a lot more. > > Involves removing the carbs from the bike, and taking them apart to > replace > little brass thingys (the jets) also changing the needles too. > > Very labor intensive, gas smell, lots of little things to drop on the > ground > and sometimes needs to be done a few times if not set right. > > Thank god for fuel injection > > What kind of bike do you have? > > George > 02 VFR (fuel injected) > > >>> Sean Steele 10/06/03 06:01PM >>> > Can someone give me a ten cent version of jetting? Why > we do it, what it does, how it works (approximately)? > > Newbies unite! > > -Sean > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 18:37:29 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Sean Steele , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jetting: ten cent version? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:37:56 -0500 Lots of times the jetting on a stock bike has certain restrictions to comply with fuel economy and pollution. I spent about 40 bux for a K&N Stage II jet kit for my NT650 when they were on sale. Stage II was for a Bike with an aftermarket exhaust system and a high flow aftermarket filter (but not pods or individual filters). It was VERY daunting at first. But the hardest part was gettting the carbs off and back on again. The jetting part was pretty simple if you follow the directions. I had pretty good results and didn't have to change any settings after I was done. I did have to drill the slides so you can't go back in this specific case. Rob -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Sean Steele > Can someone give me a ten cent version of jetting? Why > we do it, what it does, how it works (approximately)? > > Newbies unite! > > -Sean > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 18:58:15 2003 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:58:08 -0400 To: "John Yang" , "Sean Steele" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Jetting: ten cent version? [Those who already know all about engines can skip this...unless they want to check my work and yell at me where there are errors! ;^)] Good explanation, but just in case it didn't start "basic" enough...and remembering that I'm just an interested layman, not an engine designer or mechanic: Internal combustion engines do four things: Suck, Squeeze, Bang, Blow. They repeat this as long as they are running. What they are sucking is a mixture of fuel and oxidizer (gas and air). They compress this as the piston comes up as the intake valve closes, and then ignite it...in a non-diesel engine this is what the spark plug is for. The resulting explosion drives the piston down...power stroke...the whole purpose of the deal, then the exhaust valve opens and the piston comes up to blow out the byproducts of the combustion and to get ready to go down again for the suck step. To get the most power out of the explosion step you have to have just the right mixture of gas and air. Too much gas and you don't burn all of it, and what's left not only goes out the exhaust pipe to smell bad and pollute the environment and waste your money, it also absorbs some of the heat from the explosion that is supposed to be expanding gases to drive the piston down...loss of power. Not enough gas and you get a weak explosion, and less power. You really want the mixture just right. To get a mixture of gas and air to feed into the cylinder you either use fuel injection or a carburetor. The carburetor is based on the Bernoulli (sp?) principle...pressure is decreased at right angles to a moving fluid (same thing that makes airplane wings generate lift...or at least one of the things). If you put a small feeder nozzle in the airflow at 90 degrees to the flow, the lowered pressure there will tend to suck fuel through the nozzle and into the fast moving air stream, and mix it like dye in a river rapids. Exactly how big that feeder nozzle is, and exactly where in the Venturi it is located will determine how fast fuel is pulled through it into the air stream. The mixed fuel and air then go into the intake manifold to wait for the intake valve to open and the dropping piston to suck it into the cylinder. That nozzle in the air flow is the 'jet' in the carburetor, and the pipe with the airflow it sticks into is the "throat" of the carb. There's usually a butterfly valve (a flat plate that you can tilt to open or close off the throat) to control air flow. It opens when you open the throttle, closes when you close the throttle, and is sometimes controlled by a choke (auto or manual) too. As you control the air flow, you also control the gas, as less air means not as much pressure decrease, and so less fuel flows into the mix. It's really pretty elegant. "Re-jetting" can mean replacing the jet with a different one, or it can just mean adjusting the position of the existing one. Adjustment can be a screw in or out thing, or it could mean moving a tiny clip to a different notch. See your service manual... :^) If you change the amount of air your engine can suck, you will need to change the amount of fuel it gets too, or you will end up "lean" (not enough gas for the air) or "rich" (too much gas for the air) and your engine won't run well. It may not run at all if the mixture is way off, or it may run for a while then quit with "fouled plugs" (gas and gunk from unburned fuel getting all over the electrodes and preventing them from arcing as they should or you may melt the electrodes off of the plugs (way too lean). Examining plugs after running for a while can tell you if you are running rich or lean. Black gunky or powdery ones mean rich, burned is lean. A light gray with intact electrodes is good. Putting more open pipes on a bike can let the cylinders exhaust more easily, and so suck better on the next part of the cycle. More air means you need more gas...re-jet. Putting a less restrictive air filter on the bike can let the engine suck more easily, and so you will need to adjust the gas again to allow more gas to match the more air. Changing engine displacement (new cylinders and pistons) will require a different setting...or even a different carb (there are limits to the change you can get with jet changes). The fuel injected bikes have the rate controlled by electronics, as John says. Some can be adjusted easily, some not so easily. You might have to burn a new EEPROM in some designs, while others have switches or dials to set mixtures and other things with, or even a link to a laptop and some sort of Flash ROM to save settings in. Fuel injectors are basically little spray pumps that squirt gas into the cylinder, or the intake manifold in a fine mist. They might be engine-driven or electronically controlled with a solenoid to drive them as needed. There are no jets though, as the principle they work on is much simpler than a carb. :^) If any experts are still reading...how'd I do? Errors? Omissions? -- Mike Bartman At 06:19 PM 10/6/03 -0400, John Yang wrote: >You jet whenever there has been a change in the fuel/air >delivery/exhaust path. So slip on exhaust, race exhaust, high flow air >filter, etc. When these change, it changes the fuel air mixture, and >you leave the area of optimal combustion. Jetting is the way fuel is >delivered in carb bikes. Also done on new bikes that may leave the >factory lean to meet US exhaust standards. Only applies to carbureted >bikes. FI bikes do this automatically by using the O2 sensors and >adjusting the FI to compensate for any changes. (or so I think, don't >have a FI bike) I think the fuel mapping can be changed on FI bikes to >do similar tweaks that are done with jets if needed. > >Good resources: >http://www.factorypro.com/tech/carbtune,CV,high_rpm_engines.html >http://www.sudco.com/ they have jets and other parts > >A little daunting, but not very difficult. Did it last winter on my >gs500. > >Hope this helps. >John. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sean Steele [mailto:seanwebmail@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 6:02 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Jetting: ten cent version? > > >Can someone give me a ten cent version of jetting? Why >we do it, what it does, how it works (approximately)? > >Newbies unite! > >-Sean > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 19:24:07 2003 Subject: RE: Jetting: ten cent version? From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 06 Oct 2003 19:23:59 -0400 On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 18:19, John Yang wrote: > FI bikes do this automatically by using the O2 sensors and > adjusting the FI to compensate for any changes. You wish :) At best, they can only make minor corrections for lean or rich conditions caused by elevation or weather. Everything is still only a mild deviation from the stock injector mapping, however. If you throw on a pipe or full system ... it runs like crap. > I think the fuel mapping can be changed on FI bikes to > do similar tweaks that are done with jets if needed. It's a product called a "power commander" from dynojet. It's basically what jetting is to carbs, but hi-tech. It installs right into the wiring harness. When you put on a slip-on, or a full exhaust, the manufacturer of said equipment will then supply you with a fuel map for your bike. You hook up a windows PC via a serial or USB cable, and download the map to the power commander. At a shop with a dyno, you can tune the injection (at a very fine level) to get things perfect, all without getting your hands dirty. It's pretty nifty :) The newest bikes with CDI ignitions can also use the newest power commander models which allow you to change the ignition mapping, which is also tre cool. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 20:05:39 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:05:08 -0400 > I've been tempted by the V-Strom, but I haven't found > one to sit on, and they're more expensive. I've also > been tempted by the Concours, but it's a lot of > plastic hiding things. Brian, There was a gentleman at Leon's circles yesterday on a Bandit 1200 who tried my 'Strom who seemed to like the bike. I'm quite happy with my purchase, as I wanted (1) a twin (I've got a single and a four) and (2) a bike that wouldn't get upset when the pavement stopped. Not a full-on dirt bike, but one that would handle the occasional fire road through the GW Forest or whatever. The Strom fits the bill quite nicely. You can sit on my VStrom anytime you want (within reason). Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 20:39:48 2003 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: "Michael Jordan" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:38:03 -0400 That was me! But I ain't no gentleman. To reiterate, I can never say a bad word about the V-Thrmnd. I was amazed in every way about the bike. OK, one niggle, and it might all be operator error. On the tight circles (ask Leon), I had problems modulating the throttle (while using the rear brake to smooth it all out). I think that whole fool injector thing was getting my carb-ed up wrist AFU. It is not: A sport bike. A cruiser. It is: A very capable m/c in every sense of the word. Everything bad about narrow-focus motorcycles is gone on this bike. I could tour, sport-tour, and fire-road that bike forever. It would take the hospital staff of Bethesda to cut the smile offa my face. I wouldn't try to out R-6 an R-6 on it, but I'll bet that I could surprise a few fast people on the twisties.... That said, I had a better time (clock, not smile) on the tight circles on one of Leon's many Ninja 250s. But since I'm used to El Bandito Grande, I think my best times on the figure 8 and the tight circles were all on the Bandit. That's me, though, and I'm all lower brain stem on a bike. I wouldn't trade my Bandit for a V-Strom. But.... --jon p.s. CARL: You must go past 8k rpm on your 1995 GSXR 750. It don't go until like 10k. 13.5k is a suggested limit, there's a rev limiter to keep you from hurting it. Gimer is a great attorney. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Jordan" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:05 PM Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? > > I've been tempted by the V-Strom, but I haven't found > > one to sit on, and they're more expensive. I've also > > been tempted by the Concours, but it's a lot of > > plastic hiding things. > > Brian, > > There was a gentleman at Leon's circles yesterday on a Bandit 1200 who tried > my 'Strom who seemed to like the bike. > > I'm quite happy with my purchase, as I wanted (1) a twin (I've got a single > and a four) and (2) a bike that wouldn't get upset when the pavement > stopped. Not a full-on dirt bike, but one that would handle the occasional > fire road through the GW Forest or whatever. The Strom fits the bill quite > nicely. > > You can sit on my VStrom anytime you want (within reason). > > Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 21:01:13 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:01:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Changing e-mail address To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm moving my e-mail from work to a yahoo account. I seem to get a lot of spam after posting to the list so I'll let yahoo take care of it. Besides, I'm in a class this week and can't reply from work :-) Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 6 21:11:25 2003 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:11:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 08:38 PM 10/6/2003 -0400, Jon Strang wrote: >p.s. CARL: You must go past 8k rpm on your 1995 >GSXR 750. It don't go until like 10k. At the moment I'm more concerned with making sure it's all properly together before trying to really twist my wrist. I'd hate to burn it up or otherwise break it until I'm confident it'll take it. I am getting there though. During lunch break today I took her for a spin up the Dulles Access Road and got her to about 9k :-) > 13.5k is a >suggested limit, there's a rev limiter to keep >you from hurting it. > Gimer is a great attorney. I never said otherwise :-) > Good meeting you guys Sunday, although we may have met at last year's last bike night up in Falls Church(?) I'm horrible with names (as you can tell; sorry :-) I was actually thinking "Michael Jordan" and picking up on "Jor" when I said "Jon" to Michael and "Mike" to you (if you can follow that). > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 00:51:18 2003 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: "Brian Ray" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:20:22 -0400 I've ridden a V-Strom recently. I can't say a bad thing about the bike. I own a 2001 B12 (nekkid). Love it. Very different bikes, pick the one that sings to you. You should be able to get a new Bandit for much less than $7400 out the door...they haven't changed since 2001 except the color. Honestly, $6500 out the door is about right. Also, there was a piston issue in a few "new" (2001+) Bandits, contact me offline for links with details...but in short, there are some number of 2001 bikes with "improved" piston lubriction, aka too big oil holes-->oil consumption & smoke. I believe 2002 and later (and most later-in-the-year 2001s) don't have the problem. Mine, early in the year, does not...others have...part numbers never changed. Like I said, I'll send you links to look at the problem. Other than that, reliable like a claw hammer, and can be made as fast as stink with little effort. I beat the snot out of mine. One major Bandit tip: first mod: s/s brake lines & HH pads. Second mod: jet kit & slip on. Stop there for max $/perf. Everything else is nice, but not as huge. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Ray" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 7:43 AM Subject: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? > As we near the end of the riding season, my mind > wanders to the idea of getting a new bike for the > spring, possibly purchasing over the winter when the > dealers are hungry. My kz 440 ltd has done it's duty > as a starter bike, and I've learned to turn a wrench > on it, but now I'd like something more comfortable for > longer rides, that starts every time I want it to. > Something with a warranty would be ideal. > > Generally a standard, with an upright sitting > position. Japanese for future access to dealers & > parts. Big & comfortable enough to consider touring, > or at least sport touring. Ideally less plastic to > make maintenance easier, and minimize costs for > when/if if gets dropped or knocked over in a parking > lot. Big enough to fit me - I'm 6'-2", 220 lbs. As > my buddy called me, jack the pumpkin king with a gut. > Enough power to be fun in the twisties, and to cruise > all day at 80 without working too hard. Oh yeah, > price is a consideration.... > > Ideas / suggestions? > > So far the Bandit 1200s is a leading contender. > Colemans has the 2003 models for $1000 off the msrp of > $7400, plus taxes/frieght/licensing. > > I've been tempted by the V-Strom, but I haven't found > one to sit on, and they're more expensive. I've also > been tempted by the Concours, but it's a lot of > plastic hiding things. > > The SV1000 was too small - my legs didn't fit into the > tank dents. Most sport bikes were too sporty, and I > don't want to crouch over like that for longer > periods. The honda 919 was tempting, but a bit too > sporty, I think. > > Any other bikes I should look at? > > Thanks for your input. > > Brian > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 01:30:38 2003 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Leon's Circles Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 06:38:58 -0400 Thanks for setting up the circles in the parking lot. Much fun, and my new 010s are scrubbed in. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 04:07:08 2003 Subject: Titled RGV for sale, Ebay From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 07 Oct 2003 04:06:48 -0400 For the people who had sent me emails about the NSR ... check out http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2436353372 The person who is selling it is an active member on the grey-market two-stroke scene and well known - it's not a scam importer. He can ship the bike via forward air for about $350 - $400 to VA (Dulles). And yes, the replies in the listing are to actual emails he's receiving :) The bike is probably worth ~$5k with a title ... it'll be interesting to see what it goes for! - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 05:08:33 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 02:08:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Bad Bogging Problem, Carbs? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I recently changed the head gasket on my Suzuki GS500. I bolted the head back on, reset the timing, checked it three times so I was sure that all the lines on the cam sprockets lined up properly, and that I had the proper distance between intake and exhaust sprockets. Now that the bike is back together, the engine will start right up with no abnormal sounds and rev strongly but after a few minutes of riding, the bike begins to bog and stall out, sometimes even backfiring a little. I doubt that the float bowls are running out of gas, because I have a clear fuel filter just under the carbs that fills with gas. Could the float levels be off? Would that happen if carbs just sit on a shelf for a week? Beside head gasket leak, bike ran fine before I did this repair. Anything else it could be? Thanks, Adam __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 05:34:09 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "Sean Jordan" Cc: Subject: Re: Circles measurements Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:57:34 -0400 Unless Leon, in his devilish way, has made those $%$#@#% inner radii even smaller. ;-) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Jordan" > Paul Wilson provided the following document after one of Leon's famous events. > > http://users.erols.com/pawilson/leonscircles.pdf > > -Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 05:54:47 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC Cycles" , "Erick Singley" Subject: Re: Cabins, Motels, Inns in the Mountains Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:54:51 -0400 Unfortunately Rustling Leaves MC Resort appears to be in a perpetual holding pattern. According to their web site, they are [hopelessly?] mired in local politics and zoning problems. They haven't updated the web site in over a year. Pity, I'd sign up to be "founding customer" as it's in an ideal location for weekend expeditions. Charlie Smallwood (MSF instructor and LD rider) is the proprietor. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erick Singley" > At 10:07 AM -0700 10/6/03, Mark Kitchell wrote: > >Can anyone recommend a nice cabin, inn or such (hot > >tub) that is in 3-4 hours (or less) riding distance > >from DC? > > > >Thanks, looking for a getaway this weekend. > > Drat. I had stumbled across a motel/resort/whatever that *only* > catered to cycles (VA? WV?) Now when I look I can see quite a few > about (http://www.rustlingleaves.com/ ) ( From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 06:08:51 2003 Reply-To: "Brian Ray" From: "Brian Ray" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 06:08:48 -0400 Thanks for all your suggestions. I appreciate all your input, and have added a couple of bikes to my list that I want to check out. The Suzuki Bandit & V-Strom are still leading contenders, but I want to look more into the ZRX1200r, the Yamaha FZ1, and the Honda 919. I'm still not terribly interested in a Harley or BMW, but for different reasons, with a common factor of money. I'll let you know how it works out. Thanks, Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 07:42:37 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 04:42:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: DC Cycles yamaha fz1 --- Brian Ray wrote: > As we near the end of the riding season, my mind > wanders to the idea of getting a new bike for the > spring, possibly purchasing over the winter when the > dealers are hungry. My kz 440 ltd has done it's duty > as a starter bike, and I've learned to turn a wrench > on it, but now I'd like something more comfortable for > longer rides, that starts every time I want it to. > Something with a warranty would be ideal. > > Generally a standard, with an upright sitting > position. Japanese for future access to dealers & > parts. Big & comfortable enough to consider touring, > or at least sport touring. Ideally less plastic to > make maintenance easier, and minimize costs for > when/if if gets dropped or knocked over in a parking > lot. Big enough to fit me - I'm 6'-2", 220 lbs. As > my buddy called me, jack the pumpkin king with a gut. > Enough power to be fun in the twisties, and to cruise > all day at 80 without working too hard. Oh yeah, > price is a consideration.... > > Ideas / suggestions? ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 08:24:19 2003 From: "Jim Caldwell" To: Cc: Subject: Cycle Recommendation Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:24:09 -0400 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Brian Ray writes: > As we near the end of the riding season, my mind > wanders to the idea of getting a new bike for the > spring, possibly purchasing over the winter when the > dealers are hungry If you've never ridden a Valkyrie, you need to try one. Used bikes can be had very reasonably, there's excellent tech support on an Internet forum (valkyrieriders.com), drops land on the engine guard (and saddlebag guards if you have a tourer or interstate) with zero damage, the bike has plenty of power and great looks. Jim Caldwell Owings, MD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 09:08:12 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 06:08:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Gonna do the dragon this weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well, since its a long weekend for us feds, i'm going to Deal's Gap this weekend. Any recommendations on routes, cheap motels, places to eat, or anything else that comes to mind? How far is the western end from Knoxville; i've got a buddy there I'd like to visit; jib __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 09:31:04 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 06:31:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: Jetting: ten cent version? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Here's some more info: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question377.htm Chris Weaver __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 11:02:48 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Adam Reinhardt , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bad Bogging Problem, Carbs? Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:03:15 -0500 When you removed/replaced the carbs maybe the choke valves go struck open? If anyting the carbs would have trouble all around if they were clogged. Also my float bowls have a little drain with a screw, if you wanna check for gas running out, wait for it to stall and give the little screw a twist and see if gas comes out. Rob -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Adam Reinhardt To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 02:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Bad Bogging Problem, Carbs? > I recently changed the head gasket on my Suzuki GS500. > I bolted the head back on, reset the timing, checked > it three times so I was sure that all the lines on the > cam sprockets lined up properly, and that I had the > proper distance between intake and exhaust sprockets. > > Now that the bike is back together, the engine will > start right up with no abnormal sounds and rev > strongly but after a few minutes of riding, the bike > begins to bog and stall out, sometimes even backfiring > a little. I doubt that the float bowls are running > out of gas, because I have a clear fuel filter just > under the carbs that fills with gas. Could the float > levels be off? Would that happen if carbs just sit on > a shelf for a week? Beside head gasket leak, bike ran > fine before I did this repair. Anything else it could > be? > > Thanks, > > Adam > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com ------- End of Original Message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 11:03:35 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:03:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Rdaio safety campaign Drat, I left myself a voice note on my phone and didn't bring it. I'm fairly sure it was the Maryland State Highway Administration and the radio station 94.7 where I heard a safety message. Something like "my brother is a firefighter...(does all these great things).. he also rides a motorcycle. Make sure you look out for motorcycles - I love my brother." I caught the last part of one with the same lady saying her (husband?) rode... same general message - be careful when you drive and look for motorcycles. I didn't see a campaign listed on the Maryland State Highway Administration page. Is this 'new'? Erick 74' CB-750 - [got my used muffler/pipes! Install tonight and find something warm to ride in tomorrow!] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 11:11:32 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: ERC 10/26 @ Loudoun Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:10:58 -0400 Folks, a heads up, since there seems to be interest on the list. Another ERC (Experienced Rider Course) has been added to the schedule on Oct. 26 at Loudoun Campus. Call (703) 450-2551. I'll be teaching a BRC @ Loudoun that weekend. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 11:28:15 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:39:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cabins, Motels, Inns in the Mountains On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Can anyone recommend a nice cabin, inn or such (hot > tub) that is in 3-4 hours (or less) riding distance > from DC? > > Thanks, looking for a getaway this weekend. My wife and I have stayed at the River'd Inn a few times. It's probably closer than 3hrs, though. http://www.riverdinn.com/ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 11:34:21 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:45:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: Jetting: ten cent version? On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, John Yang wrote: > bikes. FI bikes do this automatically by using the O2 sensors and > adjusting the FI to compensate for any changes. (or so I think, don't > have a FI bike) I think the fuel mapping can be changed on FI bikes to > do similar tweaks that are done with jets if needed. Most FI bikes are open loop, so they use maps and adjust based on input from MAP and IAT sensors. And yes, it's very easy to adjust the fuel and ignition timing on newer FI bikes. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 11:45:22 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Leon's Circles To: Jon Strang , dc-cycles@XXXXXX That was cool seeing your front tire with the little nibs still showing in the center and all the ones on the edges worn away. I wonder if I could round off the tires on my rally bike doing that. Leon. --- Jon Strang wrote: > Thanks for setting up the circles in the parking > lot. Much fun, and my new > 010s are scrubbed in. > > --jon > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 13:09:46 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:09:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: OT: Software Work. Apologies for the off-topic post, but I know there are a number of under-employed computer geeks on the list, so I thought I'd mention this. My company (Virtual Technology Corporation, http://www.virtc.com/) is actively looking to fill about ten positions before the end of the year. We're looking for software engineers, system engineers, and program managers. Security clearances are not necessary, though they'd be a plus and you should probably be able to get one. They're particularly looking for people with simulations and modeling experience, but any Java / C programmer is in with a chance. Let me know if you're interested, and I can give more information. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 13:10:10 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:09:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: Mike Bartman , Brian Ray , DC Cycles --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 04:43 AM 10/6/03 -0700, Brian Ray wrote: > >As we near the end of the riding season, my mind > > Huh??? There's an end?? Aw, geeezzzz..... ;^) > > >but now I'd like something more comfortable for > >longer rides, that starts every time I want it to. > >Something with a warranty would be ideal. > > > >Generally a standard, with an upright sitting > >position. > > How about a Harley-Davidson Softail or Road King? the guy said he wants a standard with an upright sitting position! now, when i get a new bike that i'm happy about i tend to get excited and like to tout the manufacturer.... but come on. brian, i can put you in touch with a friend of mine who was a flat-out newbie last year at this time, and who bought an fz1. perhaps his feedback will help you. -- tg ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 13:54:35 2003 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:54:37 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , Brian Ray , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? At 10:09 AM 10/7/03 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >> At 04:43 AM 10/6/03 -0700, Brian Ray wrote: >> >As we near the end of the riding season, my mind >> >> Huh??? There's an end?? Aw, geeezzzz..... ;^) >> >> >but now I'd like something more comfortable for >> >longer rides, that starts every time I want it to. >> >Something with a warranty would be ideal. >> > >> >Generally a standard, with an upright sitting >> >position. >> >> How about a Harley-Davidson Softail or Road King? > >the guy said he wants a standard with an upright sitting >position! Exactly. >brian, i can put you in touch with a friend of mine who was >a flat-out newbie last year at this time, and who bought an >fz1. perhaps his feedback will help you. FZ1?!? He said a standard with an upright seating position! -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 14:29:07 2003 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:28:52 -0400 From: Skip To: Tom Gimer CC: Mike Bartman , DC Cycles Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? Tom Gimer wrote: [snip] > brian, i can put you in touch with a friend of mine who was > a flat-out newbie last year at this time, and who bought an > fz1. perhaps his feedback will help you. Is he able to walk yet? --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 15:23:42 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:23:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: Mike Bartman , Brian Ray , DC Cycles --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 10:09 AM 10/7/03 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > >> At 04:43 AM 10/6/03 -0700, Brian Ray wrote: > >> >As we near the end of the riding season, my mind > >> > >> Huh??? There's an end?? Aw, geeezzzz..... ;^) > >> > >> >but now I'd like something more comfortable for > >> >longer rides, that starts every time I want it to. > >> >Something with a warranty would be ideal. > >> > > >> >Generally a standard, with an upright sitting > >> >position. > >> > >> How about a Harley-Davidson Softail or Road King? > > > >the guy said he wants a standard with an upright sitting > >position! > > Exactly. > > >brian, i can put you in touch with a friend of mine who > was > >a flat-out newbie last year at this time, and who bought > an > >fz1. perhaps his feedback will help you. > > FZ1?!? He said a standard with an upright seating > position! yes. in my book, the fz1 is a standard with an upright seating position (even more so when he's considering a bandit 1200s). have a look at an fz1 at battleys the next time your hog drops parts. ;) -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 15:27:05 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:27:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Australian Granny Detained for Stunting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX LOL! I hope the same happens to me when I'm that age. http://tamworth.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=local&category=general%20news&story_id=259397&m=3&y=2003 - or - http://tinyurl.com/q2hn Chris Weaver __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 15:29:32 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:29:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: Skip Cc: DC Cycles --- Skip wrote: > > > Tom Gimer wrote: > [snip] > > brian, i can put you in touch with a friend of mine who > was > > a flat-out newbie last year at this time, and who > bought an > > fz1. perhaps his feedback will help you. > > > Is he able to walk yet? he dropped it once while practicing on his street shortly after getting licensed (no injuries). otherwise his first 1yr/5k miles have been without incident. some people are mature enough to give a machine like that the respect it deserves. this is a 45 year old with children. i've met brian before. and i've also just now heard that he has a year of riding under his belt. from what i know, it sounds like he's ready.... (but of course only brian truly knows). -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 15:29:37 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:29:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Australian Granny Detained for Stunting To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX By the way, a "wheelie bin" is a large trash can on wheels. Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 15:39:13 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:39:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: Australian Granny Detained for Stunting At 12:29 PM -0700 10/7/03, Chris Weaver wrote: >By the way, a "wheelie bin" is a large trash can on >wheels. > >Chris Ok. What's 'hooning'? :) Erick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 15:56:49 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:56:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Australian Granny Detained for Stunting To: Erick Singley , dc-cycles@XXXXXX "Hooning" means purposely riding around carelessly and barely in control. I've read too many British bike mags not to know that one. Chris --- Erick Singley wrote: > At 12:29 PM -0700 10/7/03, Chris Weaver wrote: > >By the way, a "wheelie bin" is a large trash can on > >wheels. > > > >Chris > > Ok. What's 'hooning'? :) > > Erick > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 16:03:39 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:03:30 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Tom Gimer wrote: > 1yr/5k miles have been without incident. some people are > mature enough to give a machine like that the respect it > deserves. this is a 45 year old with children. good for him. I don't catagorically deny that any graduating MSF student can't do the same but it's rare for them to do so in real life. Mostly because they're young. > he has a year of riding under his belt. from what i know, > it sounds like he's ready.... (but of course only brian true and it would be interesting to see where Brian's skill level is. While I commend him for his restraint, being cautious because you are on a beast of a bike doesn't help the learning curve much. And learning is what needs to be maximized. Even if the same rider rides the same road at the same speed, I submit that doing so on a GS for example leads to more education than doing so on the FZ. Feel free to discuss but maybe we should change the subject. TG, invite him to the next outing of Leon's famous circles. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 16:06:32 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Australian Granny Detained for Stunting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Chris Weaver wrote: > "Hooning" means purposely riding around carelessly and > barely in control. I've read too many British bike > mags not to know that one. you mean like many of the bike riders weaving in and out of impossibly tight spaces at 70mph on the HOV lanes in the morning? No signals, no heachecks, just gas and squirt asking to get tapped and ruining my commute? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 16:13:38 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:13:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Australian Granny Detained for Stunting To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Uh... yeah, pretty much like that. Um... which HOV lanes in particular were you referring to and at what time this morning? 8^* Chris --- matthew patton wrote: > you mean like many of the bike riders weaving in and > out of impossibly > tight spaces at 70mph on the HOV lanes in the > morning? No signals, no > heachecks, just gas and squirt asking to get tapped > and ruining my commute? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 17:13:18 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:13:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: DC Cycles --- Mike Bartman wrote: > FZ1?!? He said a standard with an upright seating > position! The designation "standard" these days seems to include pretty much anything with an upright position and up to a quarter fairing. Even my Falco is classified as a standard by Aprilia, although I don't buy it. The standards generally include Bandits, the 919/599, Monsters, Buell XBs, the GS500e, the Guzzi V-11s and Breva, maybe the Duke II, and the Tuono, along with the FZ1, V-Stroms, and assorted BMWs. I would say the Sportsters fit, too, if you're into mechanical antiques. Among these bikes, the ones that IMO should be in a special subclass are the FZ1, V-Strom, and BMWs, due to their varying degrees of higher center of gravity. That is great for some people, who want to go off-road in some small way (or have such pretentions), but it makes them way different animals -- and less suited for urban commuting, IMO -- than more nimble bikes with much lower CoG, like my 919. Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer choice. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 17:38:34 2003 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:38:33 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , Brian Ray , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? At 12:23 PM 10/7/03 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >> At 10:09 AM 10/7/03 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >> >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >> >> How about a Harley-Davidson Softail or Road King? >> > >> >the guy said he wants a standard with an upright sitting >> >position! >> >> Exactly. >> >> >brian, i can put you in touch with a friend of mine who >> was >> >a flat-out newbie last year at this time, and who bought >> an >> >fz1. perhaps his feedback will help you. >> >> FZ1?!? He said a standard with an upright seating >> position! > >yes. in my book, the fz1 is a standard with an upright >seating position (even more so when he's considering a >bandit 1200s). More standard, or more upright, maybe. A clear sportbike with a leaned forward seating position is not a "standard with an upright seating position" in my book...particularly not when compared with the two bikes I mentioned, both of which tend to put the rider pretty much vertical to the ground. You can't get much more "upright" than that. As for "standard", the style has been around for the last 100 years...about as long as there have been motorcycles at all. Sounds pretty standard to me. >have a look at an fz1 at battleys the next >time your hog drops parts. ;) You mean the *first* time. You can't have a "next" until after it's happened at least once. So far, it hasn't. -- Mike "nor has it dropped me" Bartman -- **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 17:42:03 2003 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:41:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Map Source 5 is Nice! Map Source 5 from Garmin just arrived. The map data is pretty current in Manassas, and the interface is excellent! The autorouting works very well and very fast. I like that you now have turn by turn directions as well. Worth the $100 so far. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 17:45:11 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Australian Granny Detained for Stunting Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:33:39 -0400 Must be an SV thing, but I did signal and didn't ask to get tapped. >From: Chris Weaver >To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Australian Granny Detained for Stunting >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:13:33 -0700 (PDT) > >Uh... yeah, pretty much like that. Um... which HOV >lanes in particular were you referring to and at what >time this morning? 8^* > >Chris > >--- matthew patton wrote: > > you mean like many of the bike riders weaving in and > > out of impossibly > > tight spaces at 70mph on the HOV lanes in the > > morning? No signals, no > > heachecks, just gas and squirt asking to get tapped > > and ruining my commute? > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 17:45:30 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:45:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: DC Cycles Tom - Thanks for your support. Who knows if I'm ready. I'm still not convinced. The truth of the matter is that I took the MSF class last summer, bought the kz440, and spent most of the winter getting it running. It still has it's issues, so I don't really have that much seat time. Probably only 1000 miles between it and a hawk 250. The real issue is that I want a bike that starts every time I hit the button, unlike the kz that I wonder about. I also want a bike that I can grow into, rather than out of. It may be a mistake, but I don't want to be trading up in a year. I like to think that I'm mature, at 33, but the truth is I like using the stupid pedal connected to the V-8 in my grand cherokee, and any bike I get will have far more potential for chaos. Will I survive it? Who knows. I do know that I want a bike I stand a chance of being happy with for the next several years, rather than something that's too small. Something I could ride down to my fathers place in Western NC. Perhaps do an ironbutt on if I get that crazy. Probably not an FZ1 or a 919, but I need to do more research. The V-strom & bandit are still the leading contenders. Brian --- Tom Gimer wrote: > i've met brian before. and i've also just now heard > that > he has a year of riding under his belt. from what i > know, > it sounds like he's ready.... (but of course only > brian > truly knows). > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 17:50:37 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:34:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: DC Cycles Mike - I probably could have been more clear, but I don't consider *any* harley to be a standard. I think of them as cruisers. I also have to admit to my own prejudices. I've never ridden a harley, but I think of them as overpriced & under-performing. I also don't like the whole concern with Image that most harley riders seem to have. I *never* want someone to think of my bike as driveway jewelry.... It may just be sour grapes, who knows. Until I have the coin to make them a real option, I'll set my sights on a jap bike. Still, thanks for your input and additions to the discussion. I have nothing agains harley riders, but don't want the general public to think of me in the same way.... --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 10:09 AM 10/7/03 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > >> At 04:43 AM 10/6/03 -0700, Brian Ray wrote: > >> >As we near the end of the riding season, my mind > >> > >> Huh??? There's an end?? Aw, geeezzzz..... ;^) > >> > >> >but now I'd like something more comfortable for > >> >longer rides, that starts every time I want it > to. > >> >Something with a warranty would be ideal. > >> > > >> >Generally a standard, with an upright sitting > >> >position. > >> > >> How about a Harley-Davidson Softail or Road King? > > > >the guy said he wants a standard with an upright > sitting > >position! > > Exactly. > > >brian, i can put you in touch with a friend of mine > who was > >a flat-out newbie last year at this time, and who > bought an > >fz1. perhaps his feedback will help you. > > FZ1?!? He said a standard with an upright seating > position! > > -- Mike B. > > **************************************************************************** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered > Obfuscation Obliterated * > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled > Opinions Offered * > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined > Smiles Stimulated * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* > * "We do it all! No job too small! No > price too high! * > **************************************************************************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 18:10:05 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:09:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: DC Cycles Matthew - I'll be the first one to admit I probably don't have the skill *or* experience for any of the bikes I'm considering. With some luck, I'll acquire both without doing serious damage to myself or less importantly the bike. I'd love to come out to the next set of circles, assuming I'm in town and the kz is running. The new bike is yet a while off..... Brian --- matthew patton wrote: > true and it would be interesting to see where > Brian's skill level is. > While I commend him for his restraint, being > cautious because you are > on a beast of a bike doesn't help the learning curve > much. And learning > is what needs to be maximized. Even if the same > rider rides the same > road at the same speed, I submit that doing so on a > GS for example > leads to more education than doing so on the FZ. > Feel free to discuss > but maybe we should change the subject. TG, invite > him to the next > outing of Leon's famous circles. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 19:26:14 2003 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:26:15 -0400 To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? At 02:34 PM 10/7/03 -0700, Brian Ray wrote: >Mike - > >I probably could have been more clear, but I don't >consider *any* harley to be a standard. I think of >them as cruisers. These are the definitions I use, as I've seen them over the last few decades of mild interest in bikes, or actually owning and riding them (more of the former than the later): A "standard bike" has a very vertical rider position, with the legs bent, but not extremely (usually no more than 90 degrees at the knee). The bike is not particularly well suited to any extreme of biking, but is a decent average of all of them. It's not a racer, a cruiser, a dirt bike, a drag bike or any other specialized form...it's the standard that the others vary from...the "average bike" (from a design standpoint, not a statistical one). They may or may not have fairings, saddle bags, luggage racks, depending on the rider's needs, but are generally capable of sporting any or all of these. Most of the street bikes sold back in the 60s or 70s by Honda were "standards". To me a "cruiser" has a more "laid back" riding position, with the legs sticking out...maybe even straight out. They almost never have fairings of any kind, or luggage racks or saddle bags. Some Harleys, and most choppers fit that description. Anything with forward controls pretty much. The main intent is to look cool...often while cruising around town from one party spot to another. They can be used for other things, but they aren't particularly well suited to it. "Sport bikes" are the ones descended from Cafe racers and road racers. They have a "lying on the tank" riding position, with the legs all scrunched up under the rider. They usually have fairings intended to reduce wind resistance. They are good at fast turns, generally are overpowered for anything other than racing, and are intended to fulfill the racing fantasies of their riders, in the same way that sportscars are. Some riders actually race them of course, but most don't...at least not legally. "Touring bikes" are big comfy standard bikes with a very upright riding position. The legs are generally bent 90 degrees at the knee, but the thighs are horizontal and the shins vertical, more or less (varies with rider somewhat). The intended purpose is long distance travel, and they are generally loaded down with everything from stereo systems to air conditioners to make life more comfortable while sitting on them for days at a time. They generally come with fairings designed to keep the wind off of their riders, and lots of luggage (saddlebags and trunks...some even have trailer hitches). "Dirt bikes" are designed with vertical seating positions, with the legs under the body to allow easy standing on the foot pegs. They have long travel suspensions, knobby tires, lots of low end torque, but limited top speeds, lots of ground clearance, and fenders and tanks designed not to dent easily. The fenders are generally way off of the tires too. Some are "trail bikes" and come with spark suppressors and other things to keep the park service happy while you ride off-road in the woods. Luggage and fairings are all but non-existent. "Enduros" are a related style...basically a dirt bike with enough lights and sturdy enough tank to make them street-legal. Those are the categories I see when I look around showrooms or in magazines. There are bikes, like some of the big BMWs, that cross over between more than one category to an amazing extent (sport bike, tour bike and enduro for instance), but most bikes are fairly solidly in one camp or another. Given the above definitions, I'd call my Heritage Softail Classic a "standard" with delusions of touring. It has a standard's seating position, a windsheild, saddle bags, and comfy seats, with a passenger backrest. It's certainly not a sport bike, or a dirt bike, and it's not really a cruiser either...though if I took the bags and windshield off, swapped seats, and added forward controls, it could probably pass as one. Might need to replace the lights too... :^) >I also have to admit to my own prejudices. Everyone has them...they are very useful. Just don't let them turn into bigotry (keeping them even if further data shows that they are invalid in a given case). >I've never ridden a harley, but I think of them as >overpriced & under-performing. They are expensive, but "overpriced"? If people are still buying all that H-D can produce, then they aren't overpriced by definition. They may even be underpriced. Have to see some sort of price-demand curve to know I guess. BMWs are in the same price range, as are Victory and some others. Indian used to be. Go ride one (or several...they aren't all the same) some time. Frederick H-D rents them. They even have a deal for about $50 or so where you can rent one for a few hours. >I also don't like the >whole concern with Image that most harley riders seem >to have. I don't like or dislike that...it just is. I do find it a *little* funny that so many people dedicated to freedom and independence all choose to dress so much alike. :^) That said, I do have a H-D belt, because it fit, was well made, and didn't cost any more than other belts I've bought in other places. I also have a H-D helmet (only one in the store that fit...I did try a bunch of others, and really wanted the Shuberth, but it didn't fit), gloves (perfect fit, reasonable cost...I've got other gloves too), jacket (FXR jacket is really nice...but pricey), and boots (well made, though the zippers could be better). Not a flame or skull on the lot though...just some "bar and shield" logos, some just outlines. >I *never* want someone to think of my bike >as driveway jewelry.... Me either, but I figure the best way to prevent that is to keep it on the road as much as I can. Just wish I didn't have to work for a living... There are folks who decorate the heck out of their bikes. I may get into that someday, but for now all the stuff I've added, or plan to add, is functional. "Crash bars", foot controls and supports that fit the bike to me better, security system, locks, oil pressure gauge, dust cover, etc.. Decoration for the sake of being "different" doesn't strike me as a good use of funds, but others obviously feel differently. >It may just be sour grapes, who knows. Until I have >the coin to make them a real option, I'll set my >sights on a jap bike. My first two bikes were jap bikes. A Yamaha XT-550 enduro and a Honda 700 Saber street bike (pretty "standard" bike). Both were very nice bikes, but the XT-550 wasn't really all that great on the road (handled trails great though!), and the Honda was a bit too cramped for me, though not by much. My new Harley is very comfortable (I modified the floorboards and foot controls to extend the leg reach a bit...I'm 6'6"), and has all the performance I have any need for these days. >Still, thanks for your input and additions to the >discussion. I have nothing agains harley riders, but >don't want the general public to think of me in the >same way.... I don't really care how the general public thinks of me. If I did, I probably wouldn't be on a bike to start with. As far as the general public goes, cruiser-riders are all bar fighting ruffians spewing attitude and trying to intimidate with their loud pipes, sport-bikers are crazy kids using the public highways for illegal racing practice, dirt bikers are annoying idiots intent on destroying our natural environment and the peace to be found in nature, and Harley riders are all Hell's Angels. The general public are a bunch of ignorant morons. I have nothing against those who choose to ride sport bikes, dirt bikes, cruisers or standards, or any combination or variation. I figure everyone should pick what appeals to them and what fills the requirements they have for a bike. There are lots of different kinds of bikes, all sell pretty well, so obviously there are lots of different requirements. Get what you like. I may have some occasional problems with the *way* some people choose to ride, but not what. :^) Good luck on your hunt for the perfect bike for *you*, however you define that. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 19:39:24 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:39:14 -0400 > I wouldn't trade my Bandit for a V-Strom. But.... Thass the nice thing about it, Jon - it's narrow. You can fit BOTH in the garage :-) Michael (whaddaya mean, I have to decide on one motorcycle?) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 20:08:05 2003 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:08:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? Bartman wrote: >More standard, or more upright, maybe. A clear sportbike with a leaned >forward seating position is not a "standard with an upright seating >position" in my book...particularly not when compared with the two bikes I >mentioned, both of which tend to put the rider pretty much vertical to the >ground. You can't get much more "upright" than that. As for "standard", >the style has been around for the last 100 years...about as long as there >have been motorcycles at all. Sounds pretty standard to me. Saying that the Standard, as a style, has been around for more than 100 years in not only historically inaccurate, but inherently false. The term "standard" and the motorcycles associated with it have changed greatly over the past 100 years. Perhaps you've noticed, perhaps not. If you are indeed as blissfully ignorant of modern bike styling and the accompanying nomenclature as you appear to be, here is a primer. In contemporary contexts, "standard" refers to those bikes which fulfill the market niche and carry the spirit of those bikes once known as UJMs, or Universal Japanese Motorcycles. (See Nighthawk 750, Seca, GS500, etc.) Some bikes are on the sportier tip of this group, such as the SV650, ZRX1200, and the FZ1. They're riding position, for the most part, is sit-up-and-beg, no clip-ons, and might sport a quarter or bikini fairing. If Harley does make a "standard", it would probably be the Sportster, but ergonomic and stylistic cues lean away fromt he category. I doubt that Harley would even consider it such. Everything from Sturgis pretty much SCREAMS "cruiser." If you need further documentation of these (admittedly hard to quantify) categories read any Rider/CycleWorld/Motorcyclist end-of-year/best bike awards issue from the past 5 years. Gimer, would that you rated my attention these days, but this guy annoys the hell out of me. Nothing like an imperious tone coupled with an unswerving devotion to ignorance to set the list 'a humming. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 20:23:51 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:23:43 -0400 Both of my bikes have been standards: Yamaha Seca II Suzuki SV650S The Zook does not have an upright seating position, but the non S model does, and I pay about 1/2 on insurance thanks to it being a standard and not a sportbike. _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 21:09:52 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:09:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Australian Granny Detained for Stunting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey! I'm in intrusion detection class all week. I've been annoying on the 90 minute run from Dale City to Herndon. Nightmare! This morning I was behind two idiots playing games in their SUVs and "thread the needle". I did that once on the Harley and it scared the bleep out of me. This time I was just relieved to be by them. But I seriously use the turn signals and head check so it wasn't me (even if it was ;-) Carl --- matthew patton wrote: > --- Chris Weaver wrote: > > "Hooning" means purposely riding around carelessly > and > > barely in control. I've read too many British bike > > mags not to know that one. > > you mean like many of the bike riders weaving in and > out of impossibly > tight spaces at 70mph on the HOV lanes in the > morning? No signals, no > heachecks, just gas and squirt asking to get tapped > and ruining my commute? > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 21:23:07 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:20:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: DC Cycles --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 12:23 PM 10/7/03 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >have a look at an fz1 at battleys the next > >time your hog drops parts. ;) > > You mean the *first* time. You can't have a "next" > until after it's > happened at least once. So far, it hasn't. > Mine's still in the shop. No dropped parts yet though, just a mistake in the build the first time and an interestingly sounding fuel system the second. Unfortunately it seems to spend a couple of weeks in the shop to get repaired each of the times. The Suzuki on the other hand; I was in Coleman's to pick up my speedometer cable (didn't fix the speedometer though; may be a whacked gear or just need a new speedo) when I checked to see if they had a replacement chain. They had one in stock so I hopped back to check the service guys who just happened to have two people available. And it was 4 o'clock on Saturday (closes at 5). I whipped home to get the bike and brought it back. The two guys had become unavailable (or weren't available the first time) so Jose did it himself. The shop kid ran the bike into the shop (and almost dropped it!) They got it on the lift with no further issues and began changing the chain. While he was working the chain, I picked up a couple of the missing screws and ordered a couple more. The parts guy and I went to the bike and found each screw that was missing and located them in the bins. 30 minutes, $200 bucks ($122 for the chain; gold plated RK "O"-Ring Chain, $25 for all the screws except one that was free) and I was out the door. > -- Mike "nor has it dropped me" Bartman -- And I haven't dropped either one, yet. Been close on the GSXR though. It's light compared to the Harley. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 21:34:19 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:34:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: DC Cycles Mike, My personal opinion; how I personally classify a bike when I see it: 1. Sport bike. You can tell by the whine :-) 2. Cruiser. Poser bike. Scooped seat basically. 3. Standard. Upright. Hhorizontal seat line. Pegs under the feet. 4. Tourer. Floorboards, fairing, radio, cup holders, heated seats, reverse gear ;-) With that said, my '76 Honda CB750 is a Standard, my '02 Softail Standard is a Cruiser as is Rita's '04 Honda VLX and my '95 Suzuki GSXR is a Sport bike. Other opinions may vary. All opinions are to be taken with a grain of alcohol ;-) Carl --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 02:34 PM 10/7/03 -0700, Brian Ray wrote: __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 22:27:52 2003 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: SPAM! Aluminum Loading Ramp FS Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:28:39 -0400 Lightweight ramp. Excellent condition. http://gwfweb.com/images/ramp.jpg Sorry, can't ship. Can meet in the Leesburg area. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 22:57:39 2003 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Float level question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Could the float levels have changed in the week that I left the carbs sitting on a shop towel? Thanks Adam __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 23:57:35 2003 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:57:16 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? At 06:34 PM 10/7/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: >Mike, > > My personal opinion; how I personally classify a >bike when I see it: > >1. Sport bike. You can tell by the whine :-) >2. Cruiser. Poser bike. Scooped seat basically. >3. Standard. Upright. Hhorizontal seat line. Pegs >under the feet. >4. Tourer. Floorboards, fairing, radio, cup holders, >heated seats, reverse gear ;-) Ok, if you want to go for brevity, I can name those styles in even fewer words: Cruiser: "Look at me!" Sport Bike: "Look at me go!" Tourer: "Look, I gotta go!" Drag Bike: "Wanna see me go again?" Standard: "Going, and going, and going..." How's that? :^) There don't seem to be many drag bikes around anymore (other than at the track). The Kawasaki Eliminator fit that description IMO. Huge acceleration for the day (0-60 in just over 2 seconds), but not much for turning, with a really long stretched look and a very wide rear tire. Some choppers have the look, but aren't oriented around raw acceleration in a straight line. > With that said, my '76 Honda CB750 is a Standard, >my '02 Softail Standard is a Cruiser as is Rita's '04 >Honda VLX and my '95 Suzuki GSXR is a Sport bike. Agreed. What is a Heritage Classic? A Road King? How about the new Road King Custom? "Beach Cruiser" comes to mind for that one, though it doesn't have much in common with the average chopper-type cruiser. > Other opinions may vary. All opinions are to be >taken with a grain of alcohol ;-) Single malt, or blended? :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 7 23:57:37 2003 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:46:37 -0400 To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? At 07:08 PM 10/7/03 -0500, Sean Jordan wrote: >Bartman wrote: > >>More standard, or more upright, maybe. A clear sportbike with a leaned >>forward seating position is not a "standard with an upright seating >>position" in my book...particularly not when compared with the two bikes I >>mentioned, both of which tend to put the rider pretty much vertical to the >>ground. You can't get much more "upright" than that. As for "standard", >>the style has been around for the last 100 years...about as long as there >>have been motorcycles at all. Sounds pretty standard to me. > > >Saying that the Standard, as a style, has been around for more than 100 >years in not only historically inaccurate, but inherently false. The term >"standard" and the motorcycles associated with it have changed greatly over >the past 100 years. Perhaps you've noticed, perhaps not. > >If you are indeed as blissfully ignorant of modern bike styling and the >accompanying nomenclature as you appear to be, here is a primer. "Standard" has more to do with rider position and general utility than anything else. Check out the riding position on a 1920 Harley and compare to that of a current one...they are about the same, and both are pretty close to the average Honda from the 70s. Are the bikes identical? Of course not. Perhaps you and I have a different definition of "modern". To me it includes more than the last 5 years. 20 maybe, but not 5. I expect that in another 20 or 30 years you'll have someone telling you that everything you learned is wrong too, because his references redefined everything while you were out buying lunch. Five years is nothing...yesterday, not the distant past. >In contemporary contexts, "standard" refers to those bikes which fulfill >the market niche and carry the spirit of those bikes once known as UJMs, or >Universal Japanese Motorcycles. Yeah, so what's the problem? >If Harley does make a "standard", it would probably be the Sportster, but >ergonomic and stylistic cues lean away fromt he category. I doubt that >Harley would even consider it such. Everything from Sturgis pretty much >SCREAMS "cruiser." Who's building bikes in Sturgis? Or do you mean the ones that happen to get ridden there? Could be. Some of Harley's stuff is certainly in the "cruiser" group, and most of the "Harley-style" V-twins that get made custom are too. I don't see a Road King as a "cruiser" though (more of a touring bike), and a Herritage isn't much of a cruiser either. It's much closer to a "standard" than anything else. >If you need further documentation of these (admittedly hard to quantify) >categories read any Rider/CycleWorld/Motorcyclist end-of-year/best bike >awards issue from the past 5 years. Been doing that. I guess you and I just get different impressions from the written word. Your next comment would seem to confirm this: >Gimer, would that you rated my attention these days, but this guy annoys >the hell out of me. Nothing like an imperious tone coupled with an >unswerving devotion to ignorance to set the list 'a humming. Sorry I annoy you, but the "tone" is completely subjective on your part...it's certainly not intentional on mine. As for "unswerving devotion to ignorance", that's pretty much completely the opposite of an accurate description of me. I am constantly trying to reduce my level of ignorance, and I've had great success in a lot of areas...though I'm still working at it and don't ever expect to become the unquestionable expert that you consider yourself to be. As for setting the list 'a humming [sic], what's wrong with that, so long as the topic is bikes? -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 06:19:59 2003 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:19:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Fog! My commute was swathed in some pretty serious fog this morning, until I hit the Beltway (and in spots even there). Under normal circumstances I prefer to lead the pack, to the extent that's reasonable, but today I was perfectly happy to let the cagers lead and light my way. Yeeks. Ichabod Crane time. I am now fully convinced of the use for aux lighting. Watch out for fog patches until it burns off, especially off the really major roads. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 07:14:48 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:14:39 EDT Subject: Re: Things you learn with a motorcycle in your livingroom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/6/2003 1:09:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > Apparently, cats find soft-compound race tires a very suitable > scratching post. Organic tread cutters? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 07:30:08 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:29:54 EDT Subject: Re: Jetting: ten cent version? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/6/2003 6:58:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > how'd I do? Good, but the fuel/air mix does _not_ explode. It burns (fast, really fast) the burn heats the air, the heated air expands increasing the pressure in the cylinder and pushing the piston down. When the fuel explodes it is called detonation and that is a _bad_ thing. (Not detonating/exploding is what octane is all about.) A minor detail I know, but thinking of it this way makes understanding performance increasing modifications easier to understand since they are all about increasing the difference in the intake temperature and post burn temperature. And that got way beyond $.10 Loud pipes quell cells. 20-20 hindsight shows the future if you are not careful. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 07:46:03 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:45:51 EDT Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/7/2003 5:46:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bdaleray@XXXXXX writes: > I need to do more > research. It may seem like a minor point but if you are having trouble deciding check into insurance cost there can be a rather astounding difference between two seemingly similar bikes. But this technique is _strictly_ for use if you cannot decide between bikes. If you know what you want then that is what you should get. Loud pipes quell cells. 20-20 hindsight shows the future if you are not careful. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 07:51:35 2003 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 04:51:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: Mike Bartman , Brian Ray , DC Cycles --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 12:23 PM 10/7/03 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > >> At 10:09 AM 10/7/03 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >> >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > > >> >> How about a Harley-Davidson Softail or Road King? > >> > > >> >the guy said he wants a standard with an upright > sitting > >> >position! > >> > >> Exactly. > >> > >> >brian, i can put you in touch with a friend of mine > who > >> was > >> >a flat-out newbie last year at this time, and who > bought > >> an > >> >fz1. perhaps his feedback will help you. > >> > >> FZ1?!? He said a standard with an upright seating > >> position! > > > >yes. in my book, the fz1 is a standard with an upright > >seating position (even more so when he's considering a > >bandit 1200s). > > More standard, or more upright, maybe. A clear sportbike > with a leaned > forward seating position is not a "standard with an > upright seating > position" in my book...particularly not when compared > with the two bikes I > mentioned, both of which tend to put the rider pretty > much vertical to the > ground. You can't get much more "upright" than that. As > for "standard", > the style has been around for the last 100 years...about > as long as there > have been motorcycles at all. Sounds pretty standard to > me. so you and i differ, again. the fz1 is a sporty standard (i'd wager $20 that if you called yamaha, they'd agree with me). i rode one three weeks ago -- it had an upright seating position. standards (to me anyway) seem to do a lot of things well but nothing great. using that standard, there could be an argument made that h-d doesn't make such a bike, making the brand an ever tougher sell to someone who's got an interest in keeping bike costs to a minimum! > >have a look at an fz1 at battleys the next > >time your hog drops parts. ;) > > You mean the *first* time. You can't have a "next" until > after it's > happened at least once. So far, it hasn't. how many miles you got on it? we'll check back with you for updates. (hints: torque wrench, loctite) -- tg ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 07:58:47 2003 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:55:55 -0400 From: Tom To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Fog! Fish Flowers wrote: >Watch out for fog patches until it burns off, especially off the really >major roads. > >Fish. > > > 95 was fine till springfield - then just soup. Becarefull out there. Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 08:00:41 2003 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Fish Flowers'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Fog! Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:00:23 -0400 Yeah aux lighting would be cool to have but I don't know how I would do it on the GSXR. I was ready to ride this morning then I went out to pull out the bike and I couldn't see the end of my street. So I took the jeep this morning and will get the bike at lunch. I live pretty close to work. -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:20 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Fog! My commute was swathed in some pretty serious fog this morning, until I hit the Beltway (and in spots even there). Under normal circumstances I prefer to lead the pack, to the extent that's reasonable, but today I was perfectly happy to let the cagers lead and light my way. Yeeks. Ichabod Crane time. I am now fully convinced of the use for aux lighting. Watch out for fog patches until it burns off, especially off the really major roads. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 09:03:30 2003 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:03:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: Fog! To: DC-Cycles Maybe you can hang projector lights from the turn signal stalks. Perhaps mount aux lights to the bottom of the upper fairing (making sure the front fender would clear for sharp bumps). Greenway/Toll Road was pretty soupy the whole way, finally letting up a little on I-66 inside the beltway. Watch for tail lights! Chris Weaver --- "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > Yeah aux lighting would be cool to have but I don't > know how I would do it > on the GSXR. I was ready to ride this morning then I > went out to pull out > the bike and I couldn't see the end of my street. So > I took the jeep this > morning and will get the bike at lunch. I live > pretty close to work. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:20 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Fog! > > My commute was swathed in some pretty serious fog > this morning, until I > hit the Beltway (and in spots even there). Under > normal circumstances I > prefer to lead the pack, to the extent that's > reasonable, but today I was > perfectly happy to let the cagers lead and light my > way. Yeeks. Ichabod > Crane time. > > I am now fully convinced of the use for aux > lighting. > > Watch out for fog patches until it burns off, > especially off the really > major roads. > > Fish. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 09:17:01 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: 3rd Annual Tour de DC Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:15:06 -0400 Well, November is not that far away and it's time to plan the 3rd Annual Tour de DC. Highlights of this year's tour: Congressional Cemetery graves of the famous and infamous (including J. Edgar Hoover), St. E's (if I can finagle permission) and what ever else I can dredge up that's off the beaten path. Link it all together with somewhat "fun" routes. Dates: I'm thinking Sunday, Nov. 9th., usual format: brunch, followed by 3-hour ride with generous stops. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 09:20:23 2003 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:19:00 -0400 Who gives a rat's ass about your book? Or my book for that matter? (my book calls the FZ1 a motocrosser). Every mainstream US m/c magazine calls the FZ1 a standard, and the R1 a sportbike, and the HDs you mentioned cruisers. If the guy said he's interested in a Bandit, he also needs to look at the FZ1, which is Yamaha's answer to the Bandit. And he's NOT INTERESTED IN A 800 LB, 58HP, $15,000 HARLEY, NO MATTER HOW COOL YOU THINK THEY ARE! --jon ----- "Mike Bartman" philosophized regarding the FZ1: > A clear sportbike with a leaned > forward seating position is not a "standard with an upright seating > position" in my book...particularly not when compared with the two bikes I > mentioned, From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 09:27:06 2003 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: "Adam Reinhardt" , Subject: Re: Float level question Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:25:43 -0400 If they were dissasembled, and somehow the tangs got bent, yes. If the float bowl was on, then no. Why? --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Reinhardt" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:57 PM Subject: Float level question > Could the float levels have changed in the week that I > left the carbs sitting on a shop towel? > > Thanks > > Adam > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 10:05:36 2003 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:05:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Map Source 5 is Nice! Sorry - I meant Metro Guide. Map Source is the management software. At 09:29 AM 10/8/2003, you wrote: >um, it looks like I can just download MS5. and do an upgrade from v3. >Am I missing something? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Submit. Obey. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 10:14:13 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Re: Fog! Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:14:06 -0400 > >Watch out for fog patches until it burns off, especially off the really > >major roads. > > > >Fish. > > > > > > > 95 was fine till springfield - then just soup. Becarefull out there. > > Tom de '98 VTR The Dulles Toll Road and I-66 were pea soup until I got to Arlington. Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 '02 ST1100A, '92 ST1100, '02 919, "Asphalt" If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 11:04:01 2003 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:03:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: Mike Bartman , DC Cycles --- Mike Bartman wrote: >....All opinions are to be taken with a grain of alcohol ;-) > > Single malt, or blended? :^) There is no "grain" in single malt. 8;) -- Larry (wife's Bimmer plate: "SNGL MLT") __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 11:05:25 2003 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:05:15 -0400 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: Bandit I was at a light in Herndon yesterday on the way home, and a bike pulled up behind me. Only one of the two headlights on the front was on. I thought thta I should let him know, so I opened my door, stuck my head out and hollered. he said that that was normal, it burns both on high. wtf? --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 11:07:53 2003 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:07:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Bandit To: Skip , DC Cycles --- Skip wrote: > I was at a light in Herndon yesterday on the way home, and > a bike pulled up > behind me. Only one of the two headlights on the front was > on. I thought thta > I should let him know, so I opened my door, stuck my head > out and hollered. he > said that that was normal, it burns both on high. > > wtf? Several like that now, including the new CBR600RR. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 11:08:24 2003 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Skip'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Bandit Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:08:06 -0400 My friends F4i does that. I've noticed a lot of Honda's do that. -----Original Message----- From: Skip [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:05 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Bandit I was at a light in Herndon yesterday on the way home, and a bike pulled up behind me. Only one of the two headlights on the front was on. I thought thta I should let him know, so I opened my door, stuck my head out and hollered. he said that that was normal, it burns both on high. wtf? --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 11:09:44 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)'" , "'Skip'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Bandit Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:12:47 -0400 Just copying Ducati. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [SMTP:Silvera@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:08 AM > To: 'Skip'; DC Cycles > Subject: RE: Bandit > > My friends F4i does that. I've noticed a lot of Honda's do that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:05 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Bandit > > I was at a light in Herndon yesterday on the way home, and a bike pulled > up > behind me. Only one of the two headlights on the front was on. I thought > thta > I should let him know, so I opened my door, stuck my head out and > hollered. > he > said that that was normal, it burns both on high. > > wtf? > > --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 11:59:11 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: Skip , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bandit Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:59:04 -0400 > I was at a light in Herndon yesterday on the way home, and a bike pulled up > behind me. Only one of the two headlights on the front was on. I thought thta > I should let him know, so I opened my door, stuck my head out and hollered. he > said that that was normal, it burns both on high. The advantage, in theory, is that you have one bulb / reflector optimized for low beam, and another for high beam. And since the low beam stays on even when high beam is engaged, you don't get the hole in the light patterm just in front of your bike like you do with H4's on high beam. Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 '02 ST1100A, '92 ST1100, '02 919, "Asphalt" If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 13:13:29 2003 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:08:45 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Jetting: ten cent version? At 07:29 AM 10/8/03 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 10/6/2003 6:58:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >omni@XXXXXX writes: > >> how'd I do? > >Good, but the fuel/air mix does _not_ explode. It burns (fast, really fast) Good point, thanks for the correction. Explosives come in two major groups: high and low. High explosives tend to be favorites of the military, because they tend to shatter things. Low explosives tend to push them...and are also best described as "burning really fast". The Oklahoma City bombing was a low explosive, as are military FAE bombs (Fuel-Air Explosive...basically a can of gas with a spreader charge and a delayed igniter. Lets the enemy experience the inside of a cylinder, while outside). In an engine though, not only is the burn really fast, it also proceeds in a fairly orderly way (ideally), with a "flame front" that is pretty clearly defined. >the burn heats the air, the heated air expands increasing the pressure in the >cylinder and pushing the piston down. When the fuel explodes it is called >detonation and that is a _bad_ thing. (Not detonating/exploding is what octane >is all about.) Isn't "detonation" also when the fuel ignites at the wrong time? For instance "dieseling", where it explodes from compression heating or a hot spot in the cylinder? Or is that a different term? I also seem to remember that "ping" is in there somewhere too... I'd always thought that the compression heating problem is what octane was about...higher octane is less prone to igniting from that source. That's why higher compression engines need higher octane gas...and why all compression ratios dropped when we eliminated lead from gas (a really good octane booster). >A minor detail I know, but thinking of it this way makes understanding >performance increasing modifications easier to understand since they are all about >increasing the difference in the intake temperature and post burn temperature. Yep. Low intake temp means denser air, means more air molecules in the cylinder. Heat them up and you get more pressure, i.e. more power. That's also the reason for turbo/super charging (increase the pressure and you get more molecules to play with) and for intercoolers (compress air and it gets hot...counterproductive. Cool it after compressing it and you get even more molecules in your compressed air). >And that got way beyond $.10 Yeah. Should we talk about nitrous next? :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 13:22:36 2003 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:22:41 -0400 To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? At 08:03 AM 10/8/03 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >>....All opinions are to be taken with a grain of alcohol ;-) >> >> Single malt, or blended? :^) > >There is no "grain" in single malt. 8;) Ummm, ok. If you say so. I'm no expert, but these folks seem to be claiming some knowledge, and appear to disagree somewhat "here are two types of whisky (Scotch whisky is always spelled without the )B‘e') distilled in Scotland: grain and malt. Grain whisky is made from malted barley, unmalted barley and other grains, while malt whisky is made from malted barley alone. Blended scotch is made from blends of up to 50 different kinds of grain and malt whiskies. 95% of the Scotch exported from Scotland is of the blended variety, but that's not because the rest of the world has poor taste; most of the scotch consumed in Scotland is also blended." That's at: http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/syws/scotch/scotch.html if you want to see the rest. Barley is a grain, as they say, so it appears that there's grain in all whisky, though the malted barley kind seems to be used as a distinguisher in the naming. I guess that's why you had a smiley on there. :^) >(wife's Bimmer plate: "SNGL MLT") Some of the folks on the Aikido list I used to be on are so into single malt that they formed a religion around it: The First Kirk of the Single Malt. They hold services at the list's annual seminar, and at the one in Denver they got their first martyr: St. Tarik the Horizontal (alcohol poisoning due to altitude and massive consumption of really good single malt. The single malt was brought from the UK by their other new saint, St. James the Deliverer, who brought a number of types that aren't available outside of the UK.). I tend to see their religion as valid, because the only way they could have consumed what they drank, and then get up a couple of hours later to throw each other around all day is divine intervention... -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 13:26:24 2003 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:25:14 -0400 To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" , "'Skip'" , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Bandit Is it because the two lights are different (one is only high, one is only low), or is it because they are the same (two filaments), but one is kept as a spare for when the other burns out? -- Mike B. At 11:08 AM 10/8/03 -0400, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: >My friends F4i does that. I've noticed a lot of Honda's do that. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Skip [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:05 AM >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Bandit > >I was at a light in Herndon yesterday on the way home, and a bike pulled up >behind me. Only one of the two headlights on the front was on. I thought >thta >I should let him know, so I opened my door, stuck my head out and hollered. >he >said that that was normal, it burns both on high. > >wtf? > >--skip > **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 13:27:03 2003 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:56:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Wow, a Ducati rider is busting on Harley reliability. Hugh > >have a look at an fz1 at battleys the next > >time your hog drops parts. ;) > > You mean the *first* time. You can't have a "next" until > after it's > happened at least once. So far, it hasn't. how many miles you got on it? we'll check back with you for updates. (hints: torque wrench, loctite) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 13:30:48 2003 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:30:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: OT Liquor (was Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ?) To: Mike Bartman , "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , DC Cycles WTF does this long-winded liquor crap have to do with motorcycling anyway? Take this BS offlist please. Chris Weaver --- Mike Bartman wrote: > Ummm, ok. If you say so. I'm no expert, but these > folks seem to be > claiming some knowledge, and appear to disagree > somewhat > > "here are two types of whisky (Scotch whisky is ... [etc. etc. ad infinitum] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 13:37:42 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , DC Cycles Subject: Wiskey Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:38:12 -0500 Blendy Whiskey is tasty, but I really love Single Malt, has a nice distinct flavor. Blended really loses that since it's well blended. I just got a bottle of Bushmills 12 yo single malt. Best I have had yet. There is a cool website if you really wanna get into the hobby. I just turned 25 and I plan on joining (have to be 25 to join.) http://www.smwsa.com/ Blended wiskey became popular when Europe was struck by an american parasite called "phylloxera." It wiped out the grapes in Europe, no grapes, no wine, no alcohol. As a result the Wiskey industry exploded. It's a little know fact that every grape wine in eurpope is grafted on american root stock. Disclaimer: Don't Drink and Ride. Rob "Cliff Claven" Sharp -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Mike Bartman To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , DC Cycles Sent: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:22:41 -0400 Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? > At 08:03 AM 10/8/03 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > >>....All opinions are to be taken with a grain of alcohol ;-) > >> > >> Single malt, or blended? :^) > > > >There is no "grain" in single malt. 8;) > > Ummm, ok. If you say so. I'm no expert, but these folks seem to be > claiming some knowledge, and appear to disagree somewhat > > "here are two types of whisky (Scotch whisky is always spelled > without the )B‘e') distilled in Scotland: grain and malt. Grain whisky > is made from malted barley, unmalted barley and other grains, while > malt whisky is made from malted barley alone. Blended scotch is made > from blends of up to 50 different kinds of grain and malt whiskies. > 95% of the Scotch exported from Scotland is of the blended variety, > but that's not because the rest of the world has poor taste; most > of the scotch consumed in Scotland is also blended." > > That's at: http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/syws/scotch/scotch.html if > you want to see the rest. > > Barley is a grain, as they say, so it appears that there's grain in all > whisky, though the malted barley kind seems to be used as a distinguisher > in the naming. I guess that's why you had a smiley on there. :^) > > >(wife's Bimmer plate: "SNGL MLT") > > Some of the folks on the Aikido list I used to be on are so into single > malt that they formed a religion around it: The First Kirk of the Single > Malt. They hold services at the list's annual seminar, and at the > one in Denver they got their first martyr: St. Tarik the Horizontal (alcohol > poisoning due to altitude and massive consumption of really good single > malt. The single malt was brought from the UK by their other new > saint, St. James the Deliverer, who brought a number of types that aren't > available outside of the UK.). I tend to see their religion as > valid, because the only way they could have consumed what they drank, > and then get up a couple of hours later to throw each other around > all day is divine intervention... > > -- Mike B. > > **************************************************************************** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation > Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled > Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options > Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------* * "We do it > all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** ------- End of Original Message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 14:06:53 2003 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fog! Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:54:49 -0400 Or, how about the ones that mount to the fork tubes? Just a thought. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Chris Weaver To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Fog! Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Maybe you can hang projector lights from the turn signal stalks. Perhaps mount aux lights to the bottom of the upper fairing (making sure the front fender would clear for sharp bumps). Greenway/Toll Road was pretty soupy the whole way, finally letting up a little on I-66 inside the beltway. Watch for tail lights! Chris Weaver --- "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > Yeah aux lighting would be cool to have but I don't > know how I would do it > on the GSXR. I was ready to ride this morning then I > went out to pull out > the bike and I couldn't see the end of my street. So > I took the jeep this > morning and will get the bike at lunch. I live > pretty close to work. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:20 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Fog! > > My commute was swathed in some pretty serious fog > this morning, until I > hit the Beltway (and in spots even there). Under > normal circumstances I > prefer to lead the pack, to the extent that's > reasonable, but today I was > perfectly happy to let the cagers lead and light my > way. Yeeks. Ichabod > Crane time. > > I am now fully convinced of the use for aux > lighting. > > Watch out for fog patches until it burns off, > especially off the really > major roads. > > Fish. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 16:05:29 2003 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:05:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Moto, Whisky, and Hold'em To: Mike Bartman , DC Cycles For avid motorcyclists only, there will be a combination single malt whisky tasting and friendly Texas Hold'em (.25-.50 limit) game at my house in Alexandria on Thursday, 30 October, from 6pm to midnight/whenever. Copious amounts of food and drink (in moderation) will be provided. A few seats are left, by reservation only; email to holdem@XXXXXX. Some of the bottles available to be sampled can be seen at http://www.xhost.org/images/whisky.jpg. That's ever-present list cop Chris Weaver in the little red cap standing guard. (There are about 110 overall, and the back row are all over 30 years old.) ...and for Mike: --- Mike Bartman wrote: > >There is no "grain" in single malt. 8;) > > Ummm, ok. If you say so. I'm no expert, but these folks > seem to be claiming some knowledge, and appear to disagree > somewhat No, they don't disagree at all. This points up the danger of "knowing where to find it" and "being unable to interpret it correctly." 8;) In the conversational context of whisky, "grain" means "grain alcohol", which, as you discovered, can include corn and other grains. Corn dominates. None are malted. (There are in fact several single grain Scotches bottled.) In common usage, the term grain whisky encompasses all *but* malt whiskies. However, single malts contain only whiskies derived from malted barley processed entirely at a particular distillery. Single-barrel single malts go that one step further... > ....The First Kirk of the Single Malt. Nice story -- I'm saving it! For anyone interested, there is also a local group which meets periodically at a pub in Wheaton for the purpose of blending (or vatting) single malts and consuming the results. Four wheels and a sober driver are recommended for attending, though. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 16:32:24 2003 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:32:33 -0400 To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Moto, Whisky, and Hold'em At 01:05 PM 10/8/03 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > >> >There is no "grain" in single malt. 8;) >> >> Ummm, ok. If you say so. I'm no expert, but these folks >> seem to be claiming some knowledge, and appear to disagree >> somewhat > >No, they don't disagree at all. This points up the danger of >"knowing where to find it" and "being unable to interpret it >correctly." 8;) I think I did both. I noted the difference between the fact that all Whisky is made from grain and the common usage where "malted barley" types are referred to as "Malt", while other forms are referred to as "grain". That bit where I asked if that's why you had the smiley on there was intended to indicate this recognition. In any case, something that was cloudy in the past is now much clearer for me, so it was a good learning experience. Thank you. >> ....The First Kirk of the Single Malt. > >Nice story -- I'm saving it! Glad you liked it! The folks involved are all Good People, and darned good at Aikido too! >For anyone interested, there is also a local group which >meets periodically at a pub in Wheaton for the purpose of >blending (or vatting) single malts and consuming the results. You aren't referring to The Royal Mile, are you? If not, what other pub in Wheaton is there? >Four wheels and a sober driver are recommended for attending, >though. Sounds like a plan. Not sure I'd want to try to ride a bike with a drunk, or even seriously tipsy, passenger...in fact, I'm sure I wouldn't! :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 16:55:21 2003 From: "Bruce N" To: , "DC Cycles" , "Mike Bartman" Subject: Re: Moto, Whisky, and Hold'em Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:53:01 -0400 PLEASE take this off-topic CRAP off list!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Bartman" To: ; "DC Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:32 PM Subject: Re: Moto, Whisky, and Hold'em > At 01:05 PM 10/8/03 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > > > >> >There is no "grain" in single malt. 8;) > >> > >> Ummm, ok. If you say so. I'm no expert, but these folks > >> seem to be claiming some knowledge, and appear to disagree > >> somewhat > > > >No, they don't disagree at all. This points up the danger of > >"knowing where to find it" and "being unable to interpret it > >correctly." 8;) > > I think I did both. I noted the difference between the fact that all > Whisky is made from grain and the common usage where "malted barley" types > are referred to as "Malt", while other forms are referred to as "grain". > That bit where I asked if that's why you had the smiley on there was > intended to indicate this recognition. > > In any case, something that was cloudy in the past is now much clearer for > me, so it was a good learning experience. Thank you. > > >> ....The First Kirk of the Single Malt. > > > >Nice story -- I'm saving it! > > Glad you liked it! The folks involved are all Good People, and darned good > at Aikido too! > > >For anyone interested, there is also a local group which > >meets periodically at a pub in Wheaton for the purpose of > >blending (or vatting) single malts and consuming the results. > > You aren't referring to The Royal Mile, are you? If not, what other pub in > Wheaton is there? > > >Four wheels and a sober driver are recommended for attending, > >though. > > Sounds like a plan. Not sure I'd want to try to ride a bike with a drunk, > or even seriously tipsy, passenger...in fact, I'm sure I wouldn't! :^) > > -- Mike B. > > **************************************************************************** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* > * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * > **************************************************************************** > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 19:17:30 2003 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:17:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT Liquor (was Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ?) To: DC Cycles --- Chris Weaver wrote: > WTF does this long-winded liquor crap have to do with > motorcycling anyway? Take this BS offlist please. > > Chris Weaver i think i've finally figured things out. mike b. surfs the web all day, cutting and pasting worthless shit into responses to the multiple email lists to which he belongs. the web is great for him, in that he can always find some asshole who supports his viewpoint, no matter how far his head is up his ass. he is a know-it-all on many different levels. conveniently, he is able to completely disregard those posts in which people point out how full of shit he is, and then quickly moves onto the next topic. most folks don't have the time or desire to read every post, so for the most part his antics go unnoticed. he relies upon his unverified manly size to scare most readers into remaining silent about how miserable they are with his multiple posts.... driving many to perform silent websearches for "killfile" and "filtering email." those that do bother to complain live in fear, but some unexplainable force drives them out against their own good judgment. the only consolation for these brave folks is the unwavering confidence in their ability to outrun a 58hp POS. finally, just when it seems that the only way out is suicide, self-mutilation, or property damage, winter arrives and readers' mailboxes are quickly emptied without bothering to read motorcycle-related (or other "seasonal") posts. spring arrives and the cycle repeats itself, sometimes in the same forum and sometimes in others. the web has no shortage of email lists. -- tg (doing my best dick e. anker immitation but failing miserably) ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 19:27:48 2003 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:27:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Fog! To: DC-Cycles Try http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/suzuz/gsxr75w.htm and look at the fender about two thirds down the page. Then pop back to the main page and find yours. (buncha boneheads this morning; took two hours to get to class! Can't drive in fog worth a damn) Carl --- "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > Yeah aux lighting would be cool to have but I don't > know how I would do it > on the GSXR. I was ready to ride this morning then I > went out to pull out > the bike and I couldn't see the end of my street. So > I took the jeep this > morning and will get the bike at lunch. I live > pretty close to work. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:20 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Fog! > > My commute was swathed in some pretty serious fog > this morning, until I > hit the Beltway (and in spots even there). Under > normal circumstances I > prefer to lead the pack, to the extent that's > reasonable, but today I was > perfectly happy to let the cagers lead and light my > way. Yeeks. Ichabod > Crane time. > > I am now fully convinced of the use for aux > lighting. > > Watch out for fog patches until it burns off, > especially off the really > major roads. > > Fish. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 19:42:10 2003 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:42:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: DC Cycles --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 06:34 PM 10/7/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: > >Mike, > > > > My personal opinion; how I personally classify a > >bike when I see it: > > > >1. Sport bike. You can tell by the whine :-) > >2. Cruiser. Poser bike. Scooped seat basically. > >3. Standard. Upright. Hhorizontal seat line. Pegs > >under the feet. > >4. Tourer. Floorboards, fairing, radio, cup > holders, > >heated seats, reverse gear ;-) > > Ok, if you want to go for brevity, I can name those > styles in even fewer > words: > Nothing to do with trying to make your explanations shorter. Just trying not to expound back :-) > > > With that said, my '76 Honda CB750 is a > Standard, > >my '02 Softail Standard is a Cruiser as is Rita's > '04 > >Honda VLX and my '95 Suzuki GSXR is a Sport bike. > > Agreed. What is a Heritage Classic? A Road King? > How about the new Road > King Custom? "Beach Cruiser" comes to mind for that > one, though it doesn't > have much in common with the average chopper-type > cruiser. > Hmm, a FLSTC is basically a FLSTF with windshield, bags, floorboard and back rest. I'd probably call it a cruiser with doo-dads to make it more tourable. You can take off the shield and bags and have a sort of FLSTF. Or you can get a FLSTF and add floorboards and a back rest and have a FLSTC; again sort of :-) And the FLHRS would fit into the same catagory. A cruiser with some additional doo-dads :-) > > Other opinions may vary. All opinions are to be > >taken with a grain of alcohol ;-) > > Single malt, or blended? :^) > Got me. Non-drinker am I. Too much salt in my life, or so says Rita :-) and she thinks I should have a glass of wine now and then but I can't stand the taste. Much like coffee and tea. > -- Mike B. > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 20:48:09 2003 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:48:06 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Anker v. Bartman Re: OT Liquor (was Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ?) Gimer wrote: >tg (doing my best dick e. anker immitation but failing >miserably) I'll see if I can't get in touch with him and ask him to give a refresher course. -Sean Jordan ps - For those fans of the Simpsons.... DO THE BARTMAN!!!! BWAAHAHAHAHAHA!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 20:58:57 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Cabins, Motels, Inns in the Mountains Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:57:56 -0400 Here is a good place a little farther down the line, but nice ride to it. One problem when you get there, you have to hike to the place. http://www.leconte-lodge.com/ Scott > Royal Oaks Cabins, right off the Blue Ridge Parkway at > mile 16, www.vacabins.com. > > Joe > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a nice cabin, inn or such (hot > > tub) that is in 3-4 hours (or less) riding distance > > from DC? > > > > Thanks, looking for a getaway this weekend. > > > > ===== > > www.deanforamerica.com > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > > search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 21:53:14 2003 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:53:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX yeah, yeah, yeah. people in glass houses shouldn't throw dingleberries.... but i have the right: we both bought our pieces of shit from the same stealer. --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > Wow, a Ducati rider is busting on Harley reliability. > > Hugh > > > >have a look at an fz1 at battleys the next > > >time your hog drops parts. ;) > > > > You mean the *first* time. You can't have a "next" > until > > after it's > > happened at least once. So far, it hasn't. > > how many miles you got on it? we'll check back with > you > for updates. (hints: torque wrench, loctite) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 22:55:10 2003 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:52:54 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: Bruce N CC: pltrgyst@XXXXXX, DC Cycles , Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Moto, Whisky, and Hold'em It's got moto content! let me cut-n-paste: "Not sure I'd want to try to ride a bike with a drunk,or even seriously tipsy, passenger...in fact, I'm sure I wouldn't!" so there. don't like it, lump it. there's conversations on any mailing list that are not of interest to all. Excersize your right to use the delete key freely. --skip, bikeless and grumpy. Bruce N wrote: > > PLEASE take this off-topic CRAP off list!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Bartman" > To: ; "DC Cycles" > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: Moto, Whisky, and Hold'em > > > At 01:05 PM 10/8/03 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > > > > > >> >There is no "grain" in single malt. 8;) > > >> > > >> Ummm, ok. If you say so. I'm no expert, but these folks > > >> seem to be claiming some knowledge, and appear to disagree > > >> somewhat > > > > > >No, they don't disagree at all. This points up the danger of > > >"knowing where to find it" and "being unable to interpret it > > >correctly." 8;) > > > > I think I did both. I noted the difference between the fact that all > > Whisky is made from grain and the common usage where "malted barley" types > > are referred to as "Malt", while other forms are referred to as "grain". > > That bit where I asked if that's why you had the smiley on there was > > intended to indicate this recognition. > > > > In any case, something that was cloudy in the past is now much clearer for > > me, so it was a good learning experience. Thank you. > > > > >> ....The First Kirk of the Single Malt. > > > > > >Nice story -- I'm saving it! > > > > Glad you liked it! The folks involved are all Good People, and darned > good > > at Aikido too! > > > > >For anyone interested, there is also a local group which > > >meets periodically at a pub in Wheaton for the purpose of > > >blending (or vatting) single malts and consuming the results. > > > > You aren't referring to The Royal Mile, are you? If not, what other pub > in > > Wheaton is there? > > > > >Four wheels and a sober driver are recommended for attending, > > >though. > > > > Sounds like a plan. Not sure I'd want to try to ride a bike with a drunk, > > or even seriously tipsy, passenger...in fact, I'm sure I wouldn't! :^) > > > > -- Mike B. > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated > * > > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered > * > > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated > * > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* > > * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! > * > > > **************************************************************************** > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 23:05:48 2003 From: "Bruce N" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Moto, Whisky, and Hold'em Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:05:28 -0400 BULLSHIT!! The list owner has stated clearly many times in the past that this list is for moto content only! Period! Exercise your right to kiss my ass!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Smith" To: "Bruce N" Cc: ; "DC Cycles" ; "Mike Bartman" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:52 PM Subject: Re: Moto, Whisky, and Hold'em > It's got moto content! > > let me cut-n-paste: > > "Not sure I'd want to try to ride a bike with a drunk,or even seriously > tipsy, passenger...in fact, I'm sure I wouldn't!" > > so there. > > don't like it, lump it. there's conversations on any mailing list that > are not of interest to all. Excersize your right to use the delete key > freely. > > --skip, bikeless and grumpy. > > Bruce N wrote: > > > > PLEASE take this off-topic CRAP off list!!! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Bartman" > > To: ; "DC Cycles" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:32 PM > > Subject: Re: Moto, Whisky, and Hold'em > > > > > At 01:05 PM 10/8/03 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > > > > > > > >> >There is no "grain" in single malt. 8;) > > > >> > > > >> Ummm, ok. If you say so. I'm no expert, but these folks > > > >> seem to be claiming some knowledge, and appear to disagree > > > >> somewhat > > > > > > > >No, they don't disagree at all. This points up the danger of > > > >"knowing where to find it" and "being unable to interpret it > > > >correctly." 8;) > > > > > > I think I did both. I noted the difference between the fact that all > > > Whisky is made from grain and the common usage where "malted barley" types > > > are referred to as "Malt", while other forms are referred to as "grain". > > > That bit where I asked if that's why you had the smiley on there was > > > intended to indicate this recognition. > > > > > > In any case, something that was cloudy in the past is now much clearer for > > > me, so it was a good learning experience. Thank you. > > > > > > >> ....The First Kirk of the Single Malt. > > > > > > > >Nice story -- I'm saving it! > > > > > > Glad you liked it! The folks involved are all Good People, and darned > > good > > > at Aikido too! > > > > > > >For anyone interested, there is also a local group which > > > >meets periodically at a pub in Wheaton for the purpose of > > > >blending (or vatting) single malts and consuming the results. > > > > > > You aren't referring to The Royal Mile, are you? If not, what other pub > > in > > > Wheaton is there? > > > > > > >Four wheels and a sober driver are recommended for attending, > > > >though. > > > > > > Sounds like a plan. Not sure I'd want to try to ride a bike with a drunk, > > > or even seriously tipsy, passenger...in fact, I'm sure I wouldn't! :^) > > > > > > -- Mike B. > > > > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated > > * > > > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered > > * > > > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated > > * > > > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! > > * > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 23:15:43 2003 From: pam@XXXXXX To: "Bruce N" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Moto, Whisky, and Hold'em Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:15:41 -0400 without sounding trite, how does one unsubscribe from this list? the traffic is too high for parisian cafe culture right now... thanks. pam Bruce N writes: > BULLSHIT!! The list owner has stated clearly many times in the past that > this list is for moto content only! Period! > > Exercise your right to kiss my ass!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Skip Smith" > To: "Bruce N" > Cc: ; "DC Cycles" ; "Mike > Bartman" > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:52 PM > Subject: Re: Moto, Whisky, and Hold'em > > >> It's got moto content! >> >> let me cut-n-paste: >> >> "Not sure I'd want to try to ride a bike with a drunk,or even seriously >> tipsy, passenger...in fact, I'm sure I wouldn't!" >> >> so there. >> >> don't like it, lump it. there's conversations on any mailing list that >> are not of interest to all. Excersize your right to use the delete key >> freely. >> >> --skip, bikeless and grumpy. >> >> Bruce N wrote: >> > >> > PLEASE take this off-topic CRAP off list!!! >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Mike Bartman" >> > To: ; "DC Cycles" >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:32 PM >> > Subject: Re: Moto, Whisky, and Hold'em >> > >> > > At 01:05 PM 10/8/03 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: >> > > >> > > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> >There is no "grain" in single malt. 8;) >> > > >> >> > > >> Ummm, ok. If you say so. I'm no expert, but these folks >> > > >> seem to be claiming some knowledge, and appear to disagree >> > > >> somewhat >> > > > >> > > >No, they don't disagree at all. This points up the danger of >> > > >"knowing where to find it" and "being unable to interpret it >> > > >correctly." 8;) >> > > >> > > I think I did both. I noted the difference between the fact that all >> > > Whisky is made from grain and the common usage where "malted barley" > types >> > > are referred to as "Malt", while other forms are referred to as > "grain". >> > > That bit where I asked if that's why you had the smiley on there was >> > > intended to indicate this recognition. >> > > >> > > In any case, something that was cloudy in the past is now much clearer > for >> > > me, so it was a good learning experience. Thank you. >> > > >> > > >> ....The First Kirk of the Single Malt. >> > > > >> > > >Nice story -- I'm saving it! >> > > >> > > Glad you liked it! The folks involved are all Good People, and darned >> > good >> > > at Aikido too! >> > > >> > > >For anyone interested, there is also a local group which >> > > >meets periodically at a pub in Wheaton for the purpose of >> > > >blending (or vatting) single malts and consuming the results. >> > > >> > > You aren't referring to The Royal Mile, are you? If not, what other > pub >> > in >> > > Wheaton is there? >> > > >> > > >Four wheels and a sober driver are recommended for attending, >> > > >though. >> > > >> > > Sounds like a plan. Not sure I'd want to try to ride a bike with a > drunk, >> > > or even seriously tipsy, passenger...in fact, I'm sure I wouldn't! :^) >> > > >> > > -- Mike B. >> > > >> > > >> > > **************************************************************************** >> > > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation > Obliterated >> > * >> > > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered >> > * >> > > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles > Stimulated >> > * >> > > >> > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* >> > > * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! >> > * >> > > >> > > **************************************************************************** >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 23:19:22 2003 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:17:17 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: Bruce N CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Moto, Whisky, and Hold'em so if I talk about the meal I had whilst on a ride, I'm O.T., right? I only kiss ass for money, and you ain't got enough, big boy. but wait! you had no moto content in your mail so you're guilty of the very thing you rail against! oh my! what ever shall become of this!?! get over yourself. --skip http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=mail+filtering Bruce N wrote: > > BULLSHIT!! The list owner has stated clearly many times in the past that > this list is for moto content only! Period! > > Exercise your right to kiss my ass!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Skip Smith" > To: "Bruce N" > Cc: ; "DC Cycles" ; "Mike > Bartman" > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:52 PM > Subject: Re: Moto, Whisky, and Hold'em > > > It's got moto content! > > > > let me cut-n-paste: > > > > "Not sure I'd want to try to ride a bike with a drunk,or even seriously > > tipsy, passenger...in fact, I'm sure I wouldn't!" > > > > so there. > > > > don't like it, lump it. there's conversations on any mailing list that > > are not of interest to all. Excersize your right to use the delete key > > freely. > > > > --skip, bikeless and grumpy. > > > > Bruce N wrote: > > > > > > PLEASE take this off-topic CRAP off list!!! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mike Bartman" > > > To: ; "DC Cycles" > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:32 PM > > > Subject: Re: Moto, Whisky, and Hold'em > > > > > > > At 01:05 PM 10/8/03 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> >There is no "grain" in single malt. 8;) > > > > >> > > > > >> Ummm, ok. If you say so. I'm no expert, but these folks > > > > >> seem to be claiming some knowledge, and appear to disagree > > > > >> somewhat > > > > > > > > > >No, they don't disagree at all. This points up the danger of > > > > >"knowing where to find it" and "being unable to interpret it > > > > >correctly." 8;) > > > > > > > > I think I did both. I noted the difference between the fact that all > > > > Whisky is made from grain and the common usage where "malted barley" > types > > > > are referred to as "Malt", while other forms are referred to as > "grain". > > > > That bit where I asked if that's why you had the smiley on there was > > > > intended to indicate this recognition. > > > > > > > > In any case, something that was cloudy in the past is now much clearer > for > > > > me, so it was a good learning experience. Thank you. > > > > > > > > >> ....The First Kirk of the Single Malt. > > > > > > > > > >Nice story -- I'm saving it! > > > > > > > > Glad you liked it! The folks involved are all Good People, and darned > > > good > > > > at Aikido too! > > > > > > > > >For anyone interested, there is also a local group which > > > > >meets periodically at a pub in Wheaton for the purpose of > > > > >blending (or vatting) single malts and consuming the results. > > > > > > > > You aren't referring to The Royal Mile, are you? If not, what other > pub > > > in > > > > Wheaton is there? > > > > > > > > >Four wheels and a sober driver are recommended for attending, > > > > >though. > > > > > > > > Sounds like a plan. Not sure I'd want to try to ride a bike with a > drunk, > > > > or even seriously tipsy, passenger...in fact, I'm sure I wouldn't! :^) > > > > > > > > -- Mike B. > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > > > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation > Obliterated > > > * > > > > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered > > > * > > > > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles > Stimulated > > > * > > > > > > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > > * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! > > > * > > > > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 23:24:54 2003 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:24:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: OT Liquor (was Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ?) To: DC Cycles --- Tom Gimer wrote: > i think i've finally figured things out. > > mike b. surfs the web all day, cutting and pasting > worthless shit into responses to the multiple email lists > to which he belongs.... There's some truth to your calculations, Tom, but I had to lay still on my left side for six days plus last week, and the only things that kept me from going [totally] insane were watching three or four playoff baseball games a day and reading Mike's ramblings. Lemme tell you, Mike's posts were more interesting than the lousy baserunning, inept fielding, and incompetent umpiring, even on the part of my sacred Yankees. So thanks, Mike. I think. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 8 23:29:38 2003 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:29:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: DC Cycles --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Hmm, a FLSTC is basically a FLSTF ...FLSTC... FLHRS Just how do you Harley guys keep these names straight and say them in conversation, anyway? At least Night Train is plain English. Not to mention shovelhead, shithead, panhead, dickhead, and all the other engine variations. Jesus, no wonder HD riders always look pissed off, just from the mental strain. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 00:38:35 2003 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:38:50 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? Yeah, but I still like them, while you don't. So far they've treated me pretty well, and I'm enjoying getting into riding again. It's coming back faster than I expected. I'll let you know the first time something falls off, ok? You let us know when your bike sheds parts too, and we can compare quality later sometime. If there's some objective data, it's hard to disagree with it. :^) To answer your question about mileage, I've got about 91 miles on the odometer so far. That's partly due to my starting slow, with lots of neighborhood and parking lot work getting used to the controls and slow speed handling, and partly due to work eating up 13 or 14 hours a day for the last few weeks. That should end in the next couple of weeks, and I'm hoping it will still be nice out so I can rack up some miles before it all turns white outside. I have both a torque wrench and some blue Loctite. I'm not planning to remove anything that requires red any time soon...though I'm equipped for that as well if and when it becomes necessary. -- Mike B. At 06:53 PM 10/8/03 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >yeah, yeah, yeah. people in glass houses shouldn't throw >dingleberries.... but i have the right: we both bought our >pieces of shit from the same stealer. > > >--- Hugh Caldwell wrote: >> Wow, a Ducati rider is busting on Harley reliability. >> >> Hugh >> >> > >have a look at an fz1 at battleys the next >> > >time your hog drops parts. ;) >> > >> > You mean the *first* time. You can't have a "next" >> until >> > after it's >> > happened at least once. So far, it hasn't. >> >> how many miles you got on it? we'll check back with >> you >> for updates. (hints: torque wrench, loctite) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 00:41:58 2003 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:42:10 -0400 To: Skip Smith From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Moto, Whisky, and Hold'em Cc: DC Cycles At 10:52 PM 10/8/03 -0400, Skip Smith wrote: >It's got moto content! > >let me cut-n-paste: > >"Not sure I'd want to try to ride a bike with a drunk,or even seriously >tipsy, passenger...in fact, I'm sure I wouldn't!" > >so there. Thanks, Skip! On the other hand, it wasn't *much* moto content, and it was all the way at the end, so carping about it isn't all that far out of line. My apologies. >--skip, bikeless and grumpy. Any new ideas on when you will get to fix the bikeless part? (I'm presuming that will take care of the grumpy part too :^). What sort of bike are you planning on? -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 00:44:45 2003 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:44:50 -0400 To: "Bruce N" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Moto, Whisky, and Hold'em Cc: "DC Cycles" At 11:05 PM 10/8/03 -0400, Bruce N wrote: >BULLSHIT!! The list owner has stated clearly many times in the past that >this list is for moto content only! Period! > >Exercise your right to kiss my ass!! Ummm...I'm not seeing any moto content in that post of yours....see how easy it is to do that? Now, if you'd said, "BULLTACO!!" it would have been different. ;^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 01:03:26 2003 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:02:42 -0400 To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? At 08:29 PM 10/8/03 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: >--- Carl Schelin wrote: > >> Hmm, a FLSTC is basically a FLSTF ...FLSTC... FLHRS > >Just how do you Harley guys keep these names straight and say >them in conversation, anyway? At least Night Train is plain >English. So are "Heritage", "Sportster", "Deuce", "Springer", "Wide Glide", "Road King", etc.. There are plain english versions of all the acronyms, but the acronyms are shorter to type, easier to spell and make it more obvious how closely two bikes are related....once you learn the code. I'm still working on it, but I've figured out a few of them. :^) FL = The engine...TC88B I think that one is. Not sure what the old Evos were. ST = Softail...the frame style. C = Classic. I = Injected...if present. Therefore a FLSTC is a carburetted Heritage Softail Classic of recent vintage. I haven't gotten into the names from the 90s, prior to the TC88 motors. The FLH ones are the Road Kings...same motor, different frame. Not sure about Sportsters, or Dynas. I was paying more attention to the ones I was considering buying. :^) >Not to mention shovelhead, shithead, panhead, dickhead, and >all the other engine variations. Jesus, no wonder HD riders >always look pissed off, just from the mental strain. I think it's more just leftover soreness from the walletectomy and the lingering effects of eating Vienna sausage every night until it's paid off. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 01:03:26 2003 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:52:50 -0400 To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: OT Liquor (was Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ?) At 08:24 PM 10/8/03 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: >--- Tom Gimer wrote: > >> i think i've finally figured things out. >> >> mike b. surfs the web all day, cutting and pasting >> worthless shit into responses to the multiple email lists >> to which he belongs.... > >There's some truth to your calculations, Tom, but I had to >lay still on my left side for six days plus last week, and >the only things that kept me from going [totally] insane were >watching three or four playoff baseball games a day and >reading Mike's ramblings. Tom's a little off there...probably forgot to carry the 1. It doesn't take me all day to cut and past that stuff...only a few minutes. Unlike him, I'm a computer professional and I know how to use the net and a keyboard. I'm glad that my stuff helped you get through your week. I hope you are up and about again. A few years ago I was stuck watching daytime TV myself (detached retina...no computers, no driving, no reading...) and there weren't even any baseball games on. Just the Teletubbies and Martha Stewart.... Consider yourself lucky! :^) >So thanks, Mike. I think. You're welcome, but I don't know if I can keep it up much longer. My current project is (I hope!) winding down in the next week or so, and I'm hoping to go back to normal hours and get some riding in before the weather changes much. If you get stuck like that again, perhaps we could discuss whatever is of interest off-list and keep you from slashing your wrists, without driving Gimmer to buy another bike from Battleys or some other crazy thing in the process? Feel free to write anytime. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 07:22:31 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 04:22:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: DC Cycles --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 08:29 PM 10/8/03 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > >--- Carl Schelin wrote: > > Just a fast note before heading off to class. > FL = The engine...TC88B I think that one is. Not > sure what the old Evos were. Actually it's not the engine, it's the front end (mainly). A FL has the fat front end and a FX has the thin one. Again, it's not a hard and fast rule but closer than engine type. The ST vs Dyna is more of the engine mount difference. The 88B is counter balanced but the 88 is rubber mounted for a smoother ride. > ST = Softail...the frame style. > C = Classic. > I = Injected...if present. > > >Not to mention shovelhead, shithead, panhead, > dickhead, and > >all the other engine variations. Jesus, no wonder > HD riders > >always look pissed off, just from the mental > strain. > There are actually just a few engine types: shovelhead, knucklehead, panhead, evo and tc88 (there are others but these are the main ones). Shovelhead. The cover looks like an inverted shovel. Knucklehead. The cover has large nuts. Panhead. The cover looks like an inverted bowl. I didn't really start understanding the names until after I had one. There's a FAQ somewhere that explains all the nomenclature and an article in a recent American Iron (I believe). > I think it's more just leftover soreness from the > walletectomy and the > lingering effects of eating Vienna sausage every > night until it's paid off. > If it wasn't for the lawyers and doctors, Harleys wouldn't be priced so high. If it wasn't for the lawyers and doctors, Harley wouldn't be. I don't mind paying the couple of extra bucks but it delayed my purchase until I _could_ pay the extra bucks :-) Finding out that the used 1999 Softail and 2001 Softail was the same price as the new 2002 Softail had me buy the new one and add on parts (at a hefty premium; $500 for the Corbin seat) > -- Mike B. > And after that "short" note :-) I'm out of here. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 07:37:35 2003 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Fw: Float level question Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 07:36:11 -0400 Adam, Your email server doesn't like me, so I sent this to the list. It's all moto content, FWIW. --jon ----- > This could be as simple as a crimped fuel line. Does *not* sound like float > levels to me. Improper float levels f---s up your jetting....well, it masks > that you have the correct jets. If too fuel level set too low, then the > fuel must be sucked up quite a ways (makes it too lean), if set too high, > makes it too rich. It has to be *way* off to keep the bike from running (I > don't know if you can even get it that far off), and even then, it will run > like crap no matter what. Yours runs fine for a while. Did you > dissassemble the carbs at all? Or just take 'em off & put 'em back on? If > #2, then there's no reason to suspect anything internal to the carbs. > > Thats why I said crimped fuel line. Sounds like the bowls are filling up > ssssslllllooooowwwwlllyyyy when bike is off. Runs great until you run out > of gas (empty the bowls). Also could be petcock clogged up, fuel filter > clogged, etc. > > Tell the list what you told me (the symptoms), see what the two or three or > four smart guys say (ignore the mouthy masses). > > --jon > > ----- Adam Reinhard wrote: > > > --- Jon Strang wrote: > > > If they were dissasembled, and somehow the tangs got > > > bent, yes. If the > > > float bowl was on, then no. > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > I'm experiencing some severe carb bogging. I replaced > > the head gasket on my GS500, reset the timing, checked > > it three times, and now the bike starts right up with > > no abnormal noises and revs strongly. But after a few > > minutes of riding the bike starts to stumble and die. > > When I describe these symptoms, most suggest a problem > > with the float bowl levels. Yet before I swapped head > > gaskets, the carbs worked fine. I'm kind of stumped. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 07:45:12 2003 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 07:42:54 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: Mike Bartman CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Moto, Whisky, and Hold'em Mike Bartman wrote: > >--skip, bikeless and grumpy. > > Any new ideas on when you will get to fix the bikeless part? (I'm > presuming that will take care of the grumpy part too :^). What sort of > bike are you planning on? I've got a friend on the SabMag list that hooked me up with a deal. an 85 V65 Sabre for $900. the best part is that I didn't have the dosh up front, and he's taking $100/month payments. If this deal hadn't fallen into my lap, I was going to get a ZRX. hadnt' decided on the 1100 or 1200. I'd most likely end up with an 1100 since they're apt to be a bit cheaper on the used market. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 08:20:13 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 05:19:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? To: Mike Bartman , Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > > Yeah, but I still like them, while you don't. actually, i would buy another bike from bernie; yt the service manager did his best to work me into the mix; and chris can service my duc anytime (he's known as the best duc technician in the area). my problem, if you can even call it that, is with store policy and, sometimes, with the staff in between the three aforementioned folks. on more than one occasion i've had my plans RUINED by scheduling debacles. then there was the "3 times failure to diagnose a potentially lethal problem and release the bike to the customer" incident. finally there was the "ooops, we didn't install a new chain and sprockets" despite your request and on the eve of a week-long tour of the smokies. but me, hold a grudge? shit. i still buy some parts there. battleys has actually taught me a number of things to do differently [if and] when i open a shop of my own. > So far > they've treated me > pretty well, and I'm enjoying getting into riding again. > It's coming back > faster than I expected. > > I'll let you know the first time something falls off, ok? > You let us know > when your bike sheds parts too, and we can compare > quality later sometime. > If there's some objective data, it's hard to disagree > with it. :^) in 40k miles on my duc, i've had an exhaust heat shield fall off. i'm safe here, because we're not talking about electrical problems. > To answer your question about mileage, I've got about 91 > miles on the > odometer so far. That's partly due to my starting slow, > with lots of > neighborhood and parking lot work getting used to the > controls and slow > speed handling, and partly due to work eating up 13 or 14 > hours a day for > the last few weeks. That should end in the next couple > of weeks, and I'm > hoping it will still be nice out so I can rack up some > miles before it all > turns white outside. > > I have both a torque wrench and some blue Loctite. I'm > not planning to > remove anything that requires red any time soon...though > I'm equipped for > that as well if and when it becomes necessary. > > -- Mike B. > > At 06:53 PM 10/8/03 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >yeah, yeah, yeah. people in glass houses shouldn't > throw > >dingleberries.... but i have the right: we both bought > our > >pieces of shit from the same stealer. > > > > > >--- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > >> Wow, a Ducati rider is busting on Harley reliability. > >> > >> Hugh ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 09:46:47 2003 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Smart Tag on Dulles Toll Rd Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:41:07 -0400 I know this was discussed a while ago but here goes again.... I just got my Smart Tag and had it in the chest pocket of jacket (bought from www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com !!) but it's not sensing me. Where's the good place to put it? should I stick it on the front fairing? but I'm afraid it might fall off or I forget to take it off while parking. stick it on the helmet? I might look goofy and it could fall off too... where's sensor located? Do I need to aim the Smart Tag to certain direction? or was it "bikes don't need to pay"? Thanks --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track #881) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 10:01:21 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Shigeru Honda" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Smart Tag on Dulles Toll Rd Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:01:01 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shigeru Honda" > I know this was discussed a while ago but here goes again.... > > I just got my Smart Tag and had it in the chest pocket of jacket (bought > from www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com !!) but it's not sensing me. > > Where's the good place to put it? > should I stick it on the front fairing? but I'm afraid it might fall off or > I forget to take it off while parking. > stick it on the helmet? I might look goofy and it could fall off too... > where's sensor located? Do I need to aim the Smart Tag to certain direction? > > or was it "bikes don't need to pay"? > > Thanks > > --------------------- > Shigeru Honda Get it in the position that best simulates a cage windshield. That means up high, inclined at no more than about 45 degrees from horizontal and in the front of the bike. I have one mounted on the VFR's windshield. It (and the EZ-Pass that Va. is *finally* going to join next year, yippee) work fine. Sometimes the in-ground loops won't pick up a vehicle and "bikes ride free." This is sometimes the case at the main plaza westbound, just before Rt. 7. At the JFK/Susquehanna bridge toll booths in Maryland, the EZ-Pass seems to activate about half the time on the VFR. NJ Turnpike and Lincoln and Holland Tunnels seem remarkably efficient. They've yet to "miss" me. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 10:02:31 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 07:02:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Blue BMW Rider in Georgetown-WTF? To: DC Cycles There is a blue BMW (RS?) that parks on Q St (the first block off of Wisconsin). If you are on this list, please tell me what the hell you were doing riding the WRONG way on Q St (towards Dupont) this morning. No one is going to accuse me of being a shrinking violet, especially driving in DC. I am all for filtering, lane splitting, etc. But there are certain things that just reflect badly on all motorcyclists. One of them is riding (for long distances) on the wrong side of the street. Yeah, I know there was alot of traffic, but that is no excuse. Either ride up the line of parked cars or just wait it out. Mark ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 10:08:03 2003 Subject: Idiot cage drivers... Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:07:50 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: Yeah, I know, not an original subject line! I was at Reston Town Center last night with a group of co-workers, and was walking back to my truck when I heard a kind of crunching/tinkling noise from a few rows away. Then a white car (like a newer Thunderbird or maybe an Impala) sped past me, driven by a round middle-aged white guy. He had apparently backed into a motorcycle, knocked it over, then drove off. I righted the bike, a "standard" UJM (sorry, it was dark, didn't get any plate numbers!) and looked it over, noticing only the end of the clutch lever was broken off, gas had spilled, and the mirror on the left side had loosened, but not broken. The bike looked like a Kawasaki 750 or simlar, gray tank, hi/lo cruiser seat, messenger bag strapped to pillion. I think I had even seen the bike drive in a bit earlier, but I was checking out some girls, and got distracted... Yuck. The whole experience rattled me, and really left me feeling like an idiot. In retrospect, I did everything wrong; no plate on the white car, didn't leave note on the bike, didn't follow up and wait around (okay, I waited about twenty minutes) to see if the rider returned. I feel like my karma really took a hit, and if anyone ever knocks over my ride, I hope I I can get a better prepared Samaritan on the scene. - Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 10:28:42 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:39:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > There don't seem to be many drag bikes around anymore (other than at the Any bike can be a drag bike. Look at the stretched/slammed sportbikes. Those are setup for drag racing. > track). The Kawasaki Eliminator fit that description IMO. Huge > acceleration for the day (0-60 in just over 2 seconds), but not much for > turning, with a really long stretched look and a very wide rear tire. Some > choppers have the look, but aren't oriented around raw acceleration in a > straight line. I had a ZL900 Eliminator - http://www.purplecar.org/zl900/heading.jpg Cool bike, but not very quick at all. It would run 11.20s in the 1/4, 7.00s in the 1/8... I have a street car that's quicker than that ;-) I would consider it a cruiser, despite it's somewhat upright riding position. It competed with the Vmax 'back in the day', but didn't have the motor to keep up. > Agreed. What is a Heritage Classic? A Road King? How about the new Road > King Custom? "Beach Cruiser" comes to mind for that one, though it doesn't > have much in common with the average chopper-type cruiser. I've ridden a Heritage Classic and a Road King. They are cruisers. As others have mentioned, your definitions of bike styles are a bit 'off' :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 10:37:17 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:34:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Idiot cage drivers... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Robert reported from Reston: "...I heard a kind of crunching/tinkling noise from a few rows away. Then a white car (like a newer Thunderbird or maybe an Impala) sped past me, driven by a round middle-aged white guy. He had apparently backed into a motorcycle, knocked it over, then drove off." [Dave] I know the feeling. Last year after coming back from vacation, TOWMBO & I stopped at a safeway to pick up some food. At her request, I remained in the truck so as not to interfere with her scientifically proven abilities as a "Gatherer"... While sitting in the truck, I heard a similar noise, but it sounded to me like someone had just pushed a cart into one of those cart bins...nope... A few minutes later, the woman walked out to her busted up SUV, came a couple cages over to me and asked if I'd seen it... I felt reallly bad for her, but I never saw it... I did stop someone from fleeing a very similar accident about a 3 months earlier which I witnessed in Belle View. ...In retrospect, I did everything wrong; no plate on the white car, didn't leave note on the bike, didn't follow up and wait around (okay, I waited about twenty minutes) to see if the rider returned. I feel like my karma really took a hit, and if anyone ever knocks over my ride, I hope I I can get a better prepared Samaritan on the scene. [Dave] I don't usually carry a pen and paper on me, don't wear a pocket protector, and the like, but I managed to dig one out of the Exploder when the idiot in Belle View left after begrudgingly leaving the other cager a note. He was an indingnant piece of shit too. Me: "HEY! you hit that guys car, and almost hit me" him: "What? I didn't do any damage" Me: You haven't even looked, and you broke his light, and bent his bumper. him: Well I'm leaving. Me: well, I'm calling the cops and giving them your tag number, and I'll be happy to be a witness for this gentleman when he comes back out. Cages make people stupid. You wouldn't step on someone's toes in a grocery line and just walk off without apologizing. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 10:41:34 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:52:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Jetting: ten cent version? On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > Isn't "detonation" also when the fuel ignites at the wrong time? For > instance "dieseling", where it explodes from compression heating or a hot > spot in the cylinder? Or is that a different term? I also seem to > remember that "ping" is in there somewhere too... Ping/detonation/pre-ignition are all the same things. Too much ignition timing or the wrong fuel can cause it, along with a few other things... hot spots due to casting flaws, carbon build up, bad plugs (wrong heat range). > I'd always thought that the compression heating problem is what octane was > about...higher octane is less prone to igniting from that source. That's > why higher compression engines need higher octane gas...and why all > compression ratios dropped when we eliminated lead from gas (a really good > octane booster). Theoretically that is true, but there are a lot more things to consider. Your cam profiles will play a part, as will cylinder head design. My Hayabusa, which is arguably a high compression motor, runs best on Suzuki's recommendation of 87 octane. It's 11:1 compression ratio is the same as my nitrous fed 5.7L Firebird, which requires 93 to keep things in one piece (and 103 unleaded if I add in more timing) ;-) Spark plugs (heat range and their gap) and ignition timing are 2 other variables to throw in the mix when considering proper octane/detonation. > Yep. Low intake temp means denser air, means more air molecules in the > cylinder. Heat them up and you get more pressure, i.e. more power. That's > also the reason for turbo/super charging (increase the pressure and you get > more molecules to play with) and for intercoolers (compress air and it gets > hot...counterproductive. Cool it after compressing it and you get even > more molecules in your compressed air). You also lose boost through an intercooler :-) > Yeah. Should we talk about nitrous next? :^) Sure, I'd love to hear what you've *READ* about it. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 10:48:11 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 07:48:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: DAMM Brake Squeaking To: DC Cycles I am at wits end here kids. Help! Paul Wilson and I changed my brake pads before WDGAH (1991 VFR). Replaced EBC HH with the same pads. Cleaned calipers very well, greased the right places, etc. Almost immediately, I am had a horrible squeak on the left side. Loud as you brake hard. Happens at slow and fast speeds. A few weeks ago, I use brake cleaner and a scotch pad to clean the rotors (at Paul's suggestion). This clears up the problem for about 2 miles. So tonight I totally remove the caliper. Clean it again, remove pads and clean them. I also used a bit of fine sandpaper to clean the pad, to get rid of any debris. Again cleaned the rotor. Nice and quiet on the way to work this AM until about 2 miles then SQUEAK (d'oh!). Its back. Whats next people? The only possible issue is that I MAY a fork seal leak. When changing the fork oil two weeks ago, my mechanic noticed that the left fork was covered with a black dirt that was likely no brake dust. While the forks do not appear to be leaking, the dirt seemed to come from either there or the brake line (unlikely as I have stopping power). I discount that fork oil is leaking into the brakes and causing the squeak for two reasons. One, I cleaned the front end of the bike and this dirt has not returned. And two, when I cleaned the rotor/pads the squeak returned within two miles, not enough time to leak much from the forks. Should I just was WTF and but a new set of pads? Do some pads just squeak naturally? Thanks Mark ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 10:54:04 2003 Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , Subject: RE: DAMM Brake Squeaking Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:53:05 -0400 I don't know much about the EBC pads, but some pads will squeal always and some will squeal when they are not in their heat range. This happens usually on aggressive designed for racing type of pads. I'd buy another set of pads (more stock like) and see if it goes away. FWIW. -jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:48 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: DAMM Brake Squeaking > > > I am at wits end here kids. Help! > > Paul Wilson and I changed my brake pads before WDGAH > (1991 VFR). Replaced EBC HH with the same pads. > Cleaned calipers very well, greased the right places, > etc. > > Almost immediately, I am had a horrible squeak on the > left side. Loud as you brake hard. Happens at slow > and fast speeds. > > A few weeks ago, I use brake cleaner and a scotch pad > to clean the rotors (at Paul's suggestion). This > clears up the problem for about 2 miles. > > So tonight I totally remove the caliper. Clean it > again, remove pads and clean them. I also used a bit > of fine sandpaper to clean the pad, to get rid of any > debris. Again cleaned the rotor. > > Nice and quiet on the way to work this AM until about > 2 miles then SQUEAK (d'oh!). Its back. > > Whats next people? The only possible issue is that I > MAY a fork seal leak. When changing the fork oil two > weeks ago, my mechanic noticed that the left fork was > covered with a black dirt that was likely no brake > dust. While the forks do not appear to be leaking, > the dirt seemed to come from either there or the brake > line (unlikely as I have stopping power). > > I discount that fork oil is leaking into the brakes > and causing the squeak for two reasons. One, I > cleaned the front end of the bike and this dirt has > not returned. And two, when I cleaned the rotor/pads > the squeak returned within two miles, not enough time > to leak much from the forks. > > Should I just was WTF and but a new set of pads? Do > some pads just squeak naturally? > > Thanks > > Mark > > > ===== > www.deanforamerica.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 11:04:33 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:04:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking To: Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In the British bike mags, I often read of them putting 'CopaSlip' grease on the back of the pads to keep them from squealing. Perhaps this is a solution? I assume it's to keep the pistons from squeaking against the pad backing. There is probably a different brand name for the same sort of thing here in the U.S. Some info: http://www.wintech.net.cn/english/copaslip.htm Also, when you switched out the pads, did you put the metal backing plate from the previous pads onto the new ones, or did you just put the new ones in 'bare'? Chris Weaver --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I am at wits end here kids. Help! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 11:05:54 2003 From: pam@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Unsubscribe--need instructions Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:05:52 -0400 Sorry for the intrusion... How do I unsubscribe? Thank you. Pam Sapyta From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 11:06:09 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:06:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Chris, there was no metal backing plate. What do you mean? --- Chris Weaver wrote: > In the British bike mags, I often read of them > putting > 'CopaSlip' grease on the back of the pads to keep > them > from squealing. Perhaps this is a solution? I assume > it's to keep the pistons from squeaking against the > pad backing. There is probably a different brand > name > for the same sort of thing here in the U.S. > > Some info: > http://www.wintech.net.cn/english/copaslip.htm > > Also, when you switched out the pads, did you put > the > metal backing plate from the previous pads onto the > new ones, or did you just put the new ones in > 'bare'? > > Chris Weaver > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I am at wits end here kids. Help! > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 11:10:33 2003 From: "Rob Keiser" To: shonda3@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smart Tag on Dulles Toll Rd Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:10:22 -0400 I currently use the top edge of my GPS Ram Mount using the provided 3M Strips Smart Tag provides and it works like a champ. Previously, I had it on my stock VFR windscreen, but when I replaced it with a Zero Gravity Double Bubble, the curve was too great for it to be mounted there. I later tried in the map case of my tank bag, chest pocket of my 'stich, holding it up, and then on my Givi top case....all with mixed results. I'd say mount it to the screen, otherwise, look into a Ram or similar type of mount; and aim it like it would be on the windshield of your car. Decal down, arrows up, and aimed at the sensors in the lanes just before the actual gate. Good luck. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Smart Tag on Dulles Toll Rd Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:41:07 -0400 I know this was discussed a while ago but here goes again.... I just got my Smart Tag and had it in the chest pocket of jacket (bought from www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com !!) but it's not sensing me. Where's the good place to put it? should I stick it on the front fairing? but I'm afraid it might fall off or I forget to take it off while parking. stick it on the helmet? I might look goofy and it could fall off too... where's sensor located? Do I need to aim the Smart Tag to certain direction? or was it "bikes don't need to pay"? Thanks --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track #881) _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 11:11:40 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:11:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking To: Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX On the stock Honda pads on my VTR when I had it (and other brands too IIRC), there was a thin aluminum plate with holes in it that clipped onto the back of the pads. Aftermarket pads do not come with these plates. The advice in the shop manual and from the VTR group at the time was to reuse these plates on the aftermarket pads. It's my recollection that they are there so that the brake piston does not directly contact the back of the pad thereby reducing squealing that might be caused otherwise. The absence of these clips wouldn't degrade brake performance though IIRC. Chris Weaver --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Chris, there was no metal backing plate. What do > you > mean? > > > > > --- Chris Weaver wrote: > > In the British bike mags, I often read of them > > putting > > 'CopaSlip' grease on the back of the pads to keep > > them > > from squealing. Perhaps this is a solution? I > assume > > it's to keep the pistons from squeaking against > the > > pad backing. There is probably a different brand > > name > > for the same sort of thing here in the U.S. > > > > Some info: > > http://www.wintech.net.cn/english/copaslip.htm > > > > Also, when you switched out the pads, did you put > > the > > metal backing plate from the previous pads onto > the > > new ones, or did you just put the new ones in > > 'bare'? > > > > Chris Weaver > > > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > I am at wits end here kids. Help! > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > > search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 11:12:09 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:12:01 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Smart Tag on Dulles Toll Rd To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX if it's anything like iPass (IL's system - the units look identical) I just put mine on the back of my bike sitting vertical in a saddle bag. I've thought about putting it on the rear fender/mudguard too. Stuffing into a jacket pocket works, too. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 11:15:14 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:26:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Cc: Subject: Re: Unsubscribe--need instructions On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 pam@XXXXXX wrote: > Sorry for the intrusion... > > How do I unsubscribe? > > Thank you. > > Pam Sapyta http://www.dc-cycles.org/listinfo.html -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 11:16:33 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:16:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking To: Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX You can see the plate in its 'clipped on' state on the brake pad in the following microfiche diagram for a Honda CBR900. Look at the pad and see the little circles all over the back? That's actually a seperate part clipped onto the back of the pad. http://www.ronayers.com/fiche/200_0363/front_brake_caliper/front_brake_caliper.cfm If that page doesn't load, go to the parts fiche at RonAyers.com and look for the 98-99 CBR900RR 'front brake caliper' page. Chris Weaver --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Chris, there was no metal backing plate. What do > you > mean? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 11:23:39 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:23:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I see. And the only way to obtain those plates is to purchase a new set of OEM pads I assume? Thanks --- Chris Weaver wrote: > You can see the plate in its 'clipped on' state on > the > brake pad in the following microfiche diagram for a > Honda CBR900. Look at the pad and see the little > circles all over the back? That's actually a > seperate > part clipped onto the back of the pad. > > http://www.ronayers.com/fiche/200_0363/front_brake_caliper/front_brake_caliper.cfm > > If that page doesn't load, go to the parts fiche at > RonAyers.com and look for the 98-99 CBR900RR 'front > brake caliper' page. > > Chris Weaver > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Chris, there was no metal backing plate. What do > > you > > mean? > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 11:27:31 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Chris Weaver" , "Mark Kitchell" , Subject: Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:26:44 -0400 Maybe I have poor eyesight, but my VFR never had 'em, and it had OEM pads from the PO. The VFR parts fiche doesn't show them either. Paul in DC 95 VFR750, never squeaks, same pads as Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" > You can see the plate in its 'clipped on' state on the > brake pad in the following microfiche diagram for a > Honda CBR900. Look at the pad and see the little > circles all over the back? That's actually a seperate > part clipped onto the back of the pad. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 11:27:49 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:27:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking To: Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yes, I think it's safe to assume that. As I said, though, the part is not strictly necessary - it's just one of those things that Honda does that gives them fairly high marks for build quality on their bikes. Some grease on the back of the pad would probably accomplish the same thing. Note: It's not on all Honda sportbikes. Look at the fiches for the CBR600 line and you'll notice it's not there. Perhaps it's one of their cost-saving measures for the cheaper bikes. Chris Weaver --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I see. And the only way to obtain those plates is > to > purchase a new set of OEM pads I assume? Thanks > > > --- Chris Weaver wrote: > > You can see the plate in its 'clipped on' state on > > the > > brake pad in the following microfiche diagram for > a > > Honda CBR900. Look at the pad and see the little > > circles all over the back? That's actually a > > seperate > > part clipped onto the back of the pad. > > > > > http://www.ronayers.com/fiche/200_0363/front_brake_caliper/front_brake_caliper.cfm > > > > If that page doesn't load, go to the parts fiche > at > > RonAyers.com and look for the 98-99 CBR900RR > 'front > > brake caliper' page. > > > > Chris Weaver > > > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > Chris, there was no metal backing plate. What > do > > > you > > > mean? > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > > search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 11:30:50 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:30:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX It's possible Mark's VFR never had 'em. I only know that the VTR that I owned did. I forgot to reuse them once and the brake pads I put in didn't make a sound, so this is all a very profound case of YMMV. Chris Weaver --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Maybe I have poor eyesight, but my VFR never had > 'em, and it had OEM pads > from the PO. The VFR parts fiche doesn't show them > either. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 11:33:06 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:15:16 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Chris contributed: ---- >In the British bike mags, I often read of them putting >'CopaSlip' grease on the back of the pads to keep them >from squealing. Perhaps this is a solution? I assume >it's to keep the pistons from squeaking against the >pad backing. There is probably a different brand name >for the same sort of thing here in the U.S. [Dave] Yes, at pretty much any auto parts store. "Disk brake quiet". I've also read and heard that you can reduce the squeak by making sure the backing plates are affixed correctly. I wish I could say that I knew this stuff was the brake squeal fix, but I don't. I used the DB quiet once, and I'm just not sure if I psychologically wanted there to be a difference and convinced myself there was, or if it really helped.... Yesterday driving home on 1 South, I smelled a distinctive burning smell... Sure enough, a few cars ahead, a truck with smoke billowing from the front wheel well as typical with a seized caliper... he did manage to get pulled over.. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 11:50:36 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:50:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dave, if it fixes mine there will be no question. The squeak is loud enough that it makes people look at me. Not too condusive to 'people' watching in dupont on the way home (-; --- Dave Yates wrote: > Chris contributed: > > ---- > >In the British bike mags, I often read of them > putting > >'CopaSlip' grease on the back of the pads to keep > them > >from squealing. Perhaps this is a solution? I > assume > >it's to keep the pistons from squeaking against the > >pad backing. There is probably a different brand > name > >for the same sort of thing here in the U.S. > > [Dave] Yes, at pretty much any auto parts store. > "Disk brake > quiet". I've also read and heard that you can > reduce the > squeak by making sure the backing plates are affixed > > correctly. I wish I could say that I knew this > stuff was the > brake squeal fix, but I don't. I used the DB quiet > once, and > I'm just not sure if I psychologically wanted there > to be a > difference and convinced myself there was, or if it > really > helped.... > > Yesterday driving home on 1 South, I smelled a > distinctive > burning smell... Sure enough, a few cars ahead, a > truck with > smoke billowing from the front wheel well as typical > with a > seized caliper... he did manage to get pulled > over.. > > > Dave Yates > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 11:58:17 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DAMM Brake Squeaking Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:01:30 -0400 Did you clean (with sandpaper if necessary) and grease the pins that hold the pads on? I've also used a bit of RTV to mildly adhere and absorb vibration between the piston and the pad and the caliper and the pad on the other side. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [SMTP:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:51 AM > To: Dave Yates; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking > > Dave, if it fixes mine there will be no question. The > squeak is loud enough that it makes people look at me. > > > Not too condusive to 'people' watching in dupont on > the way home (-; > > --- Dave Yates wrote: > > Chris contributed: > > > > ---- > > >In the British bike mags, I often read of them > > putting > > >'CopaSlip' grease on the back of the pads to keep > > them > > >from squealing. Perhaps this is a solution? I > > assume > > >it's to keep the pistons from squeaking against the > > >pad backing. There is probably a different brand > > name > > >for the same sort of thing here in the U.S. > > > > [Dave] Yes, at pretty much any auto parts store. > > "Disk brake > > quiet". I've also read and heard that you can > > reduce the > > squeak by making sure the backing plates are affixed > > > > correctly. I wish I could say that I knew this > > stuff was the > > brake squeal fix, but I don't. I used the DB quiet > > once, and > > I'm just not sure if I psychologically wanted there > > to be a > > difference and convinced myself there was, or if it > > really > > helped.... > > > > Yesterday driving home on 1 South, I smelled a > > distinctive > > burning smell... Sure enough, a few cars ahead, a > > truck with > > smoke billowing from the front wheel well as typical > > with a > > seized caliper... he did manage to get pulled > > over.. > > > > > > Dave Yates > > > > > ===== > www.deanforamerica.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 12:05:01 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:04:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: DAMM Brake Squeaking To: DC Cycles Yes, as detailed in my original email, I did all those things. What is RTV? --- Michael Lynch wrote: > Did you clean (with sandpaper if necessary) and > grease the pins that hold > the pads on? I've also used a bit of RTV to mildly > adhere and absorb > vibration between the piston and the pad and the > caliper and the pad on the > other side. > > Mike > 96 VFR > 88 Hawk > 76 CB400F > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Kitchell [SMTP:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:51 AM > > To: Dave Yates; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking > > > > Dave, if it fixes mine there will be no question. > The > > squeak is loud enough that it makes people look at > me. > > > > > > Not too condusive to 'people' watching in dupont > on > > the way home (-; > > > > --- Dave Yates wrote: > > > Chris contributed: > > > > > > ---- > > > >In the British bike mags, I often read of them > > > putting > > > >'CopaSlip' grease on the back of the pads to > keep > > > them > > > >from squealing. Perhaps this is a solution? I > > > assume > > > >it's to keep the pistons from squeaking against > the > > > >pad backing. There is probably a different > brand > > > name > > > >for the same sort of thing here in the U.S. > > > > > > [Dave] Yes, at pretty much any auto parts store. > > > > "Disk brake > > > quiet". I've also read and heard that you can > > > reduce the > > > squeak by making sure the backing plates are > affixed > > > > > > correctly. I wish I could say that I knew this > > > stuff was the > > > brake squeal fix, but I don't. I used the DB > quiet > > > once, and > > > I'm just not sure if I psychologically wanted > there > > > to be a > > > difference and convinced myself there was, or if > it > > > really > > > helped.... > > > > > > Yesterday driving home on 1 South, I smelled a > > > distinctive > > > burning smell... Sure enough, a few cars ahead, > a > > > truck with > > > smoke billowing from the front wheel well as > typical > > > with a > > > seized caliper... he did manage to get pulled > > > over.. > > > > > > > > > Dave Yates > > > > > > > > > ===== > > www.deanforamerica.com > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 12:08:27 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smart Tag on Dulles Toll Rd Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:08:18 -0400 The "velco" holds. I had that on the Seca II, on the SVS I just jam it under the windshield. You're shooting for the metallic 2'x2' square above the lane about 10' before the toll booth area. It's right next to your key, you should remember it. Rich '02 SVS >From: "Shigeru Honda" >To: "dc-cycles" >Subject: Smart Tag on Dulles Toll Rd >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:41:07 -0400 > >I know this was discussed a while ago but here goes again.... >I just got my Smart Tag and had it in the chest pocket of jacket (bought >from www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com !!) but it's not sensing me. >Where's the good place to put it? >should I stick it on the front fairing? but I'm afraid it might fall off or >I forget to take it off while parking. >stick it on the helmet? I might look goofy and it could fall off too... >where's sensor located? Do I need to aim the Smart Tag to certain >direction? >or was it "bikes don't need to pay"? _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 12:12:52 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: DAMM Brake Squeaking Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:15:58 -0400 Whatever, that wasn't "detailed" in your original e-mail. Either you want help or you don't. I was just trying to help you. Look it up. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F Original e-mail: I am at wits end here kids. Help! Paul Wilson and I changed my brake pads before WDGAH (1991 VFR). Replaced EBC HH with the same pads. Cleaned calipers very well, greased the right places, etc. Almost immediately, I am had a horrible squeak on the left side. Loud as you brake hard. Happens at slow and fast speeds. A few weeks ago, I use brake cleaner and a scotch pad to clean the rotors (at Paul's suggestion). This clears up the problem for about 2 miles. So tonight I totally remove the caliper. Clean it again, remove pads and clean them. I also used a bit of fine sandpaper to clean the pad, to get rid of any debris. Again cleaned the rotor. Nice and quiet on the way to work this AM until about 2 miles then SQUEAK (d'oh!). Its back. Whats next people? The only possible issue is that I MAY a fork seal leak. When changing the fork oil two weeks ago, my mechanic noticed that the left fork was covered with a black dirt that was likely no brake dust. While the forks do not appear to be leaking, the dirt seemed to come from either there or the brake line (unlikely as I have stopping power). I discount that fork oil is leaking into the brakes and causing the squeak for two reasons. One, I cleaned the front end of the bike and this dirt has not returned. And two, when I cleaned the rotor/pads the squeak returned within two miles, not enough time to leak much from the forks. Should I just was WTF and but a new set of pads? Do some pads just squeak naturally? Thanks Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [SMTP:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:05 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: RE: DAMM Brake Squeaking > > Yes, as detailed in my original email, I did all those > things. What is RTV? > > > --- Michael Lynch wrote: > > Did you clean (with sandpaper if necessary) and > > grease the pins that hold > > the pads on? I've also used a bit of RTV to mildly > > adhere and absorb > > vibration between the piston and the pad and the > > caliper and the pad on the > > other side. > > > > Mike > > 96 VFR > > 88 Hawk > > 76 CB400F > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mark Kitchell [SMTP:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:51 AM > > > To: Dave Yates; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking > > > > > > Dave, if it fixes mine there will be no question. > > The > > > squeak is loud enough that it makes people look at > > me. > > > > > > > > > Not too condusive to 'people' watching in dupont > > on > > > the way home (-; > > > > > > --- Dave Yates wrote: > > > > Chris contributed: > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > >In the British bike mags, I often read of them > > > > putting > > > > >'CopaSlip' grease on the back of the pads to > > keep > > > > them > > > > >from squealing. Perhaps this is a solution? I > > > > assume > > > > >it's to keep the pistons from squeaking against > > the > > > > >pad backing. There is probably a different > > brand > > > > name > > > > >for the same sort of thing here in the U.S. > > > > > > > > [Dave] Yes, at pretty much any auto parts store. > > > > > > "Disk brake > > > > quiet". I've also read and heard that you can > > > > reduce the > > > > squeak by making sure the backing plates are > > affixed > > > > > > > > correctly. I wish I could say that I knew this > > > > stuff was the > > > > brake squeal fix, but I don't. I used the DB > > quiet > > > > once, and > > > > I'm just not sure if I psychologically wanted > > there > > > > to be a > > > > difference and convinced myself there was, or if > > it > > > > really > > > > helped.... > > > > > > > > Yesterday driving home on 1 South, I smelled a > > > > distinctive > > > > burning smell... Sure enough, a few cars ahead, > > a > > > > truck with > > > > smoke billowing from the front wheel well as > > typical > > > > with a > > > > seized caliper... he did manage to get pulled > > > > over.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave Yates > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > www.deanforamerica.com > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > > search > > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== > www.deanforamerica.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 12:16:32 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:16:14 EDT Subject: Re: Jetting: ten cent version? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/8/2003 1:13:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > Should we talk about nitrous next? :^) I can always use a good laugh #;-) > John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 12:22:50 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "Dave Yates" , Subject: Turning heads, was Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:21:41 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > Dave, if it fixes mine there will be no question. The > squeak is loud enough that it makes people look at me. > > > Not too condusive to 'people' watching in dupont on > the way home (-; > Use the rear brake only, son. Don't you know that front brake is a widow-maker and will send you over the bars in a heartbeat. :) Squeaky brakes, sheesh what some people will do anything for a little attention. FWIW, I think your squeaking brakes are oh so sexy, Mark. ;-) Speaking of attention-getting, did y'all catch the puff piece on the newfound popularity of scooters, esp. among women, in Tuesday's Post. Whole thing here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53714-2003Oct6.html >>Scooter Girls: Leaders of the Fashion Pack By Reilly Capps Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, October 7, 2003; Page C01 For Susan Bruno's 24th birthday, her boyfriend gave her the present she'd always wanted: A Vespa scooter from the 1970s. With a 125cc engine, chrome fenders and a snow-white paint job, it was beautiful. When she went to law school in New Orleans, she took the scooter with her. Her boyfriend? Bruno left him behind. When she got to New Orleans, practically the whole French Quarter turned its head and whistled. It helps that she has dynamite eyes and a radioactive smile. But the scooter had something to do with it, too.<< ----------------------------- There's a woman who rides in a skirt on a Honda Helix. I see her every day on the GW Pkwy. Funny I don't recall hearing that step-throughs were immune from crashing and road rash. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 12:28:10 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:10:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Dave, if it fixes mine there will be no question. The >squeak is loud enough that it makes people look at me. [Dave] It's not a miracle cure; w/o backing plates, or something to keep the pads from moving around... maybe brake pads should have wings too.... ;-) anyway, the plates or clips should be the answer, if they don't completely eliminate the squeal, try brake quiet creme... hmm... Too bad they don't make "Wife's Annoying Friend Quiet" creme... >Not too condusive to 'people' watching in dupont on >the way home (-; [Dave] Must be the squealing sound... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 12:44:58 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:44:45 EDT Subject: Re: Turning heads, was Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > The > > squeak is loud enough that it makes people look at me. > > Loud brakes save lives? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 13:00:39 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:00:09 EDT Subject: Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Are they double acting (piston(s) on both sides of the rotor?) Or single acting (piston(s) on only one side of the rotor?) If they are single acting then the caliper mounts on a set of pins that allow it to slide back and forth. Check those pins for lubrication (Honda is bad about lubing them.) (NOTE: I am _not_ talking about the little pins that hold the pads in the caliper.) Did you remove/replace/clean the "O" rings that hold the pistons in the caliper? Brake fluid will sometimes bleed behind/under the "O" ring and create a crusty lump that pushes the "O" ring out binding the piston. If you over use the pads before they are properly seated you can create localized hot spots that "cook" small areas of the pads hardening them. That can create noise. Also there is a _lot_ of heat at the back of the pads most grease will simply boil off in no time if you use it there, use a lubricant designed for the application. You may need to take it to an expert, we are talking about brakes after all. Loud pipes quell cells. 20-20 hindsight shows the future if you are not careful. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 13:04:18 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: Mark Kitchell , Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:04:11 -0400 > > From: Mark Kitchell > Date: 2003/10/09 Thu AM 11:50:33 EDT > To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking > > Dave, if it fixes mine there will be no question. The > squeak is loud enough that it makes people look at me. > Maybe you should leave it that way. Sounds like a safety feature--sort of like loud pipes! (Flame retardant suit ON) Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 '02 ST1100A, '92 ST1100, '02 919, "Asphalt" If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 13:18:42 2003 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:18:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Crazy Driver Increase Anyone else notice an increase in the number of crazy drivers on the road the last couple of weeks? I never ride the week following the time change (2 weeks away now) because people get too weird on the road. Strangest one I saw this week was a little Honda tailgating me on 7100. I flashed my brakes, and he went left to pass. He looked at me as he passed, I scowled back and noticed traffic was braking. Just as I hit my brakes he flipped out, swerved left and came pretty close to losing it in the median. He wasn't 3 feet from the oncoming lanes. There have been a dozen similarly strange sightings this week, including at least 5 drivers starting to pull out on me then hitting their brakes as I swerve. I am now running full hi-beams. Considering this, I didn't ride in the fog yesterday. I couldn't see 50 feet in Clifton. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 13:59:54 2003 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:57:02 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? At 05:19 AM 10/9/03 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >> >> Yeah, but I still like them, while you don't. > >actually, i would buy another bike from bernie; yt the >service manager did his best to work me into the mix; and >chris can service my duc anytime (he's known as the best >duc technician in the area). my problem, if you can even >call it that, is with store policy and, sometimes, with the >staff in between the three aforementioned folks. on more >than one occasion i've had my plans RUINED by scheduling >debacles. Ok, I see where you are coming from now. I had a touch of that with the bike purchase...with Bernie. I'd been talking with Paris (who was *extremely helpful all through) on several occasions, but when I got there with the checkbook for the deposit, it was his day off. I didn't want the bike to get sold to someone else, and he'd told me that they didn't work on commission, so I talked with Bernie. That put him in charge of the sale by their procedures (something I wasn't aware of). Due to his being on travel, some confusion with phone messages (he had another customer with a name almost identical to mine), and his not following through on something he said he'd do (call me when he knew the date the bike would be in), there was some roughness to the purchase scheduling. Paris helped out a lot on that, and I eventually got the bike, with my Bubba's Brake kit installed. Bernie did a fine job with the actual pickup-day stuff, and the service folks were great on getting the parts installed quickly and correctly. Other than that, all of my dealings with Battley's have gone pleasantly, smoothly and with great customer attention. Paris was great all through, Kelly (loan and paperwork) was pleasant and efficient to deal with, the guys at the parts counter were helpful, friendly and knowledgeable (they put me onto the Bubba's solution that let me buy the bike in the first place), the service guys (Alex in particular) have been great to deal with, and the lady in accessory sales (I *will* get her name the next time I'm in there...) was pleasant, helpful, knowledgeable and friendly. Other than the slight burble in delivery date and communication about it, I have no complaints at all. So far. :^) >then there was the "3 times failure to diagnose >a potentially lethal problem and release the bike to the >customer" incident. finally there was the "ooops, we >didn't install a new chain and sprockets" despite your >request and on the eve of a week-long tour of the smokies. I can see why those things might have irked you somewhat. I'd have been pissed a bit too. Maybe more than a bit by the lethal thing. >but me, hold a grudge? shit. i still buy some parts >there. battleys has actually taught me a number of things >to do differently [if and] when i open a shop of my own. Yes, and also what to do the same way. They have a lot of it right. Their main problem, from what I've seen and what you've said, seems like it could be summed up with "internal communications". It's a bit more haphazard and unreliable than it could be. Maybe that and making sure bikes don't leave with potentially lethal problems. :^) >> I'll let you know the first time something falls off, ok? >> You let us know >> when your bike sheds parts too, and we can compare >> quality later sometime. >> If there's some objective data, it's hard to disagree >> with it. :^) > >in 40k miles on my duc, i've had an exhaust heat shield >fall off. Ok, so as long as I make it past 40K miles without shedding a part, the HD will be the better bike. :^) Why aren't we talking about electrical problems too? Is Duc as bad at that as VW and most Brit cars? -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 14:33:38 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:59:51 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Crazy Driver Increase To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mike asks: >Anyone else notice an increase in the number of crazy >drivers on the road the last couple of weeks? [Dave] Is that a trick question ? We're probably all desensitized to it by now... ... Strangest one I saw this week was a little Honda >tailgating me on 7100. I flashed my brakes [Dave] You did this... why? > he went left to pass. He looked at me as he passed, I >scowled back and noticed traffic was braking. Just as I hit >my brakes he flipped out, swerved left and came pretty close >to losing it in the median. He wasn't 3 feet from the >oncoming lanes. [Dave] Obviously, this guy was so poor, he couldn't pay attention... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 14:34:50 2003 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:35:14 -0400 To: "Verde, Robert" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Idiot cage drivers... At 10:07 AM 10/9/03 -0400, Verde, Robert wrote: >In retrospect, I did everything wrong; no plate on the white car, didn't leave note on the bike, didn't follow up and wait around (okay, I waited about twenty minutes) to see if the rider returned. I feel like my karma really took a hit, You didn't do *everything* wrong. You picked the bike up and checked to make sure it wouldn't get any worse before the rider returned. You also waited around a bit. That's something right. You also learned, by thinking about it after the fact, how to do it better next time, if there is a next time. That's something too. In any case, the owner of that bike is still better off that you were there than if you hadn't been. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 14:38:50 2003 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:38:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Crazy Driver Increase At 01:59 PM 10/9/2003, Dave Yates wrote: > >tailgating me on 7100. I flashed my brakes > >[Dave] You did this... why? My alternative was shifting in the left lane that was about to stop, or lane splitting at speed. I don't do that in the burbs ... people get testy. > > he went left to pass. He looked at me as he passed, I > >scowled back and noticed traffic was braking. Just as I hit > >my brakes he flipped out, swerved left and came pretty close > >to losing it in the median. He wasn't 3 feet from the > >oncoming lanes. > >[Dave] Obviously, this guy was so poor, he couldn't pay >attention... ehehe. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 14:40:50 2003 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:41:03 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? At 10:39 AM 10/9/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > >> There don't seem to be many drag bikes around anymore (other than at the > >Any bike can be a drag bike. Look at the stretched/slammed sportbikes. >Those are setup for drag racing. Are those sold that way, or modified after the fact? If sold that way, then I stand corrected. >> track). The Kawasaki Eliminator fit that description IMO. Huge >> acceleration for the day (0-60 in just over 2 seconds), but not much for >> turning, with a really long stretched look and a very wide rear tire. Some >> choppers have the look, but aren't oriented around raw acceleration in a >> straight line. > >I had a ZL900 Eliminator - http://www.purplecar.org/zl900/heading.jpg >Cool bike, but not very quick at all. It would run 11.20s in the 1/4, >7.00s in the 1/8... I have a street car that's quicker than that ;-) Was it all initial acceleration and no sustain to it, or were the claims in the ads and reviews wrong? >It competed with the Vmax 'back in the day', but didn't have >the motor to keep up. Yeah, the Vmax was impressive...but didn't it come out a year or two after the Eliminator? >> Agreed. What is a Heritage Classic? A Road King? How about the new Road >> King Custom? "Beach Cruiser" comes to mind for that one, though it doesn't >> have much in common with the average chopper-type cruiser. > >I've ridden a Heritage Classic and a Road King. They are cruisers. As >others have mentioned, your definitions of bike styles are a bit 'off' >:-) I'd prefer to think of it as "different". "Off" implies that there's some sort of "right" answer, when it's really a matter of convention, and convention requires mutual agreement. The folks I'm "mutually agreeing with" are just from an earlier time than those some others are using for reference authority. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 14:54:24 2003 Subject: RE: Crazy Driver Increase Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:54:15 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: Not just this week... Two weeks ago I was commuting home from Reston, going East on Baron Cameron right before the intersection with Rt. 7. A SUV pulled out in front of me (I was in right-hand lane) from the Reston Zoo intersection; pretty damned close, but I was allowing room. But, he/she was *immediately* followed by another, no token brake tap at the stop sign at all! I hit the brakes, horn, lights, and this second driver apparently panicked and crossed right lane, left lane, and ended up on the median! Scared the crap out of me, not really because I was that close, but from the crazy over-reaction! No harm, no foul, but boy I sure practiced safe stopping distance drills (tahnk you, MSF!) for a looong while! I hate to think what might have happened if I had been just a little closer to the intersection when these two drivers blew through it... Robert -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 2:39 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crazy Driver Increase At 01:59 PM 10/9/2003, Dave Yates wrote: > >tailgating me on 7100. I flashed my brakes > >[Dave] You did this... why? My alternative was shifting in the left lane that was about to stop, or lane splitting at speed. I don't do that in the burbs ... people get testy. > > he went left to pass. He looked at me as he passed, I > >scowled back and noticed traffic was braking. Just as I hit > >my brakes he flipped out, swerved left and came pretty close > >to losing it in the median. He wasn't 3 feet from the > >oncoming lanes. > >[Dave] Obviously, this guy was so poor, he couldn't pay >attention... ehehe. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 14:59:30 2003 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:58:45 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Jetting: ten cent version? At 10:52 AM 10/9/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: >> I'd always thought that the compression heating problem is what octane was >> about...higher octane is less prone to igniting from that source. That's >> why higher compression engines need higher octane gas...and why all >> compression ratios dropped when we eliminated lead from gas (a really good >> octane booster). > >Theoretically that is true, but there are a lot more things to consider. >Your cam profiles will play a part, as will cylinder head design. My >Hayabusa, which is arguably a high compression motor, runs best on >Suzuki's recommendation of 87 octane. It's 11:1 compression ratio is the >same as my nitrous fed 5.7L Firebird, which requires 93 to keep things in >one piece (and 103 unleaded if I add in more timing) ;-) Ok, sounds like it could be pretty complex to work out the ideal setup. Multiple inter-related variables get like that. :^) I wonder why cam and timing play a part? Does it have to do with how long it takes the spark to get the fuel burning? Higher octane is harder to light, so things are at a different point in the cycle when the pressure rise gets going? That would fit with the spark gap making a difference...smaller gap means lower striking voltage and perhaps an earlier arc. Or am I way off? >> more molecules to play with) and for intercoolers (compress air and it gets >> hot...counterproductive. Cool it after compressing it and you get even >> more molecules in your compressed air). > >You also lose boost through an intercooler :-) Why is that? Just the lower initial pressure from the cooling? Does the compressor make a difference, like maybe by having a second stage that re-compresses the cooled air a bit or something? >> Yeah. Should we talk about nitrous next? :^) > >Sure, I'd love to hear what you've *READ* about it. Not a huge amount. Air is about 23% Oxygen, while nitrous is well over 30% Oxygen. If you burn air, a lot more of your volume at a given pressure is made up of Nitrogen than if you burn Nitrous Oxide. Nitrous is a way to get more oxidizer into the cylinder at a given pressure, and therefore a way to burn more fuel and generate more pressure, and thus more power. NO2 disassociates into Nitrogen and Oxygen at a few hundred degrees Fahrenheit. using nitrous also adds considerably to the strain on engine parts, so unless they were designed for it, you are more likely to break them with nitrous than without. A typical boost on a V-Twin bike engine is in the range of 50-60 HP. There are at least a couple of ways to get Nitrous into an engine...direct injection into the intake manifold, and by mixing it with the air coming into the engine before the fuel is added. No idea if there's a major benefit to either over the other though. A bottle of nitrous on a bike is generally good for a half dozen or so "shots", then it has to be replaced/refilled. There's a button on some installations to control it, others couple it to the throttle...full throttle and you get the boost. Bottles are usually attached to the downtubes, or alongside the tank, though they could be almost anywhere convenient. That's about it. That's both from reading and from watching shows like American Thunder that sometimes do segments on the subject. It is not, as you know, from actually adding it to my own bike or getting a degree in engine design engineering or working as a mechanic on race bikes. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 15:35:58 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:35:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: the eyes have it... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Interesting week. Following my eye surgery and six days of laying on my left side, I saw my surgeon again on Monday, and he was very happy with the way the healing's gone. When my wife asked, he said there were no restrictions on my driving, since driving in Virginia only legally requires one eye, which I didn't know. I had actually practiced driving the car with one eye, which was not too bad, but figured I'd be commuting to work on Metro for two weeks at least. But Tuesday was a beautiful day, and the wife had already left for work, and the bikes were right there... so I did a little test ride on the 919 up and down the driveway, and then up and down the block, and no problemo... so I rode to work, and have ridden every day. It runs out that my balance was not affected at all by having a gas bubble partially obscuring vision in one eye; it seems to be affected only rarely when looking down, as when walking down a staircase. This leads me to ask: does anyone know any one-eyed motorcyclists? Do they have any problems with particular moto skills, like doing Leon's circles or other slow-speed maneuvering? -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 15:49:38 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: the eyes have it... To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Me --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > Interesting week. Following my eye surgery and six > days of > laying on my left side, I saw my surgeon again on > Monday, and > he was very happy with the way the healing's gone. > When my > wife asked, he said there were no restrictions on my > driving, > since driving in Virginia only legally requires one > eye, > which I didn't know. > > I had actually practiced driving the car with one > eye, which > was not too bad, but figured I'd be commuting to > work on > Metro for two weeks at least. But Tuesday was a > beautiful > day, and the wife had already left for work, and the > bikes > were right there... so I did a little test ride on > the 919 up > and down the driveway, and then up and down the > block, and no > problemo... so I rode to work, and have ridden every > day. It > runs out that my balance was not affected at all by > having a > gas bubble partially obscuring vision in one eye; it > seems to > be affected only rarely when looking down, as when > walking > down a staircase. > > This leads me to ask: does anyone know any one-eyed > motorcyclists? Do they have any problems with > particular moto > skills, like doing Leon's circles or other > slow-speed > maneuvering? > > -- Larry > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 15:55:02 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:54:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: the eyes have it... To: Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Me Really! Have you found any particular problem areas, like slow-speed maneuvering? -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 16:20:31 2003 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'thelostshark@XXXXXX'" Subject: Gonna do the dragon this weekend Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:24:16 -0400 Isaac Blanck opened an on-topic subject (for shame) with: "Well, since its a long weekend for us feds, i'm going to Deal's Gap this weekend. Any recommendations on routes, cheap motels, places to eat, or anything else that comes to mind? How far is the western end from Knoxville; i've got a buddy there I'd like to visit" The northwestern end of the Dragon, Rt. 129 goes right into Knoxville and is ~ 40 mile ride.. So you could stay with your bud. Or. The KOA in Tellico Plains, TN has cabins (& there are other cabins and a motel nearby) The nice thing about Tellico Plains is it's a good excuse to take the Cherohala Skyway to the Dragon. Or TWO in Suches, GA . They may have rooms for this weekend. Rts 60 & 68 are also nice In any case BEWARE THE BLOUNT COUNTY LEOs on the west end of the Dragon. The fine for speeding is >$200. If the weather is nice, they'll be enhancing the county's fiscal position. Going or returning via the BRP or W(BG) 219 is nice but not as fast as I-81. You know your limits. Weather should be great. Enjoy. Carl in Bethesda (sigh, Caging to Rochester) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 16:35:11 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:35:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: the eyes have it... To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not sure as I have never known anything else. I am not blind in one eye but I do not have bi-nocular vision. I can see from either eye but not at the same time. Well, I can see a little from the non-dominate eye (my brain switches automatically) but not much more than some perifery vision. How does this impact me? Well I suck at catching a ball. Forget about something like racketball, I just cannot see the ball coming. As for driving, I think it was more of a problem in a car, especially in close up encounters (parking). I do not think it has been a problem on the motorcyle. I have had my fair share of tip overs, but most related to either poor decisions or losing balance. --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Me > > Really! Have you found any particular problem areas, > like > slow-speed maneuvering? > > -- Larry > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 16:37:26 2003 Subject: RE: Gonna do the dragon this weekend Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:37:18 -0400 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "Custer, Carl" , "DCCycles" Cc: I went to Deals Gap for the first time this past weekend. About 10-15 of us from R6messagenet.com ended up riding around Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I had a blast, and if I had some tire thread left, I would go there again this weekend. I doubt I will get my new tire back tomorrow :( I took the Blue Ridge Parkway all the way to Deals Gap, checking out some scenic spots, and pulling off to ride some of the great roads crisscrossing the Parkway. Don't forget to dress properly. Because of the elevation, the Parkway is 10 degrees cooler than adjoining highways. Best time to ride it is 11am to sunset. All of us stayed at tuskegee motel on route 48. It's about 20-30 minute ride away from the Gap, but the ride itself is _excellent_. I can't give you advice on food, because everything I had there was pretty terrible. Unless you have a recommendation, stick with fast food, not the local joints. If you didn't know, there is a local photographer at the Gap on the weekends. He takes pictures of everyone and you can peruse them later on the web and order prints. His web site is killboy.com. Here are the pics he took of me: http://witold.org/photos/motorcycle/rides/dealsgap_oct3to6_2003/dealsgap1.html Witold www.witold.org If there's anyone that has any ideas how to get a rear tire for R6 by friday night, I'm all ears. Right now, my rear is _flat_. I got a puncture on my ride back. > -----Original Message----- > From: Custer, Carl [mailto:Carl.Custer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:24 PM > To: 'DCCycles' > Cc: 'thelostshark@XXXXXX' > Subject: Gonna do the dragon this weekend > > > Isaac Blanck opened an on-topic subject (for shame) with: > "Well, since its a long weekend for us feds, i'm going to > Deal's Gap this > weekend. Any recommendations on routes, cheap motels, places > to eat, or > anything else that comes to mind? How far is the western end from > Knoxville; i've got a buddy there I'd like to visit" > > The northwestern end of the Dragon, Rt. 129 goes right into > Knoxville and is > ~ 40 mile ride.. > So you could stay with your bud. > Or. > The KOA in Tellico Plains, TN has cabins (& there are other > cabins and a > motel nearby) > The nice thing about Tellico Plains is it's a good excuse to take the > Cherohala Skyway to the Dragon. > Or > TWO in Suches, GA . They may have rooms for this weekend. Rts > 60 & 68 are > also nice > > In any case BEWARE THE BLOUNT COUNTY LEOs on the west end of > the Dragon. > The fine for speeding is >$200. > If the weather is nice, they'll be enhancing the county's > fiscal position. > > Going or returning via the BRP or W(BG) 219 is nice but not > as fast as I-81. > You know your limits. > Weather should be great. > > Enjoy. > Carl in Bethesda (sigh, Caging to Rochester) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 16:47:51 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:47:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: the eyes have it... To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > This leads me to ask: does anyone know any one-eyed > motorcyclists? Do they have any problems with > particular moto > skills, like doing Leon's circles or other > slow-speed > maneuvering? > It's only been in the last few years that I've started wearing glasses. Before that in my left eye 20-25 and a nearsighted 20-200 in the right had me seeing distance with the left eye and reading with my right eye. All it takes to get some idea of depth perception is to move a bit. Leon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 16:59:58 2003 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services'" , DCCycles Cc: thelostshark@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Gonna do the dragon this weekend Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:03:46 -0400 Witold Chimed in: "I went to Deals Gap for the first time this past weekend." CC: Fun Huh? WC: "I had a blast, and if I had some tire thread left, I would go there again this weekend." "I took the Blue Ridge Parkway all the way to Deals Gap," CC: The BRP is a great place to work on "smooth". Attain smooth first and fast will follow. WC: "<> and pulling off to ride some of the great roads crisscrossing the Parkway." CC: Oh yeah, especially in NC. Several years ago, when the bolder blocked the BRP near Little Switzerland, we took the eastern detour. One guy claimed he saw the back of his helmet twice on those hairpins. Although Rt. 43 from the BRP to Buchanan, VA has a nifty switch back (& the beans, greens, and corn bread at the North Star Caf)Bé gets two snaps and a triple "Yum!") WC: "<> I can't give you advice on food, because everything I had there was pretty terrible. Unless you have a recommendation, stick with fast food, not the local joints." CC: I believe they still have the smoked trout at the Gap. Biscuits and Gravy at the Tellico Caf)Bé can't be beat. The food at TWO is great. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 17:00:20 2003 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:59:56 -0400 From: Skip To: Mike Bartman CC: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jetting: ten cent version? Mike Bartman wrote: > using nitrous also adds considerably to the strain on engine parts, so > unless they were designed for it, you are more likely to break them with > nitrous than without. A typical boost on a V-Twin bike engine is in the > range of 50-60 HP. a guy at work got a bottle after "Fast and Furious" came out. We got a poll together on how long it would be before he lunched his engine. I won with "First shot" because he screwed up on the installation and somehow put the injector into the fuel line. he hit the button and blew all the fuel out of the line into the engine and hydraulic'ed it. if you're going to hit the bottle, you need a LOT more fuel. nitrous will make fire, and if there isn't enough fuel, well, pistons will burn, too. :~) usually, though, people just start spinning bearings and throwing rods. --skip, hit the blue god once or twice. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 17:58:20 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Turning heads Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:58:11 -0400 Girl over at the M St parking has a scoot, leather jacket and chaps. Couple days ago leopard print pants under the chaps. >From: "Paul Wilson" >To: "Mark Kitchell" , "Dave Yates" >, >Subject: Turning heads, was Re: DAMM Brake Squeaking >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:21:41 -0400 > >Speaking of attention-getting, did y'all catch the puff piece on the >newfound popularity of scooters, esp. among women, in Tuesday's Post. _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 18:48:53 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:59:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > >Any bike can be a drag bike. Look at the stretched/slammed sportbikes. > >Those are setup for drag racing. > > Are those sold that way, or modified after the fact? If sold that way, > then I stand corrected. Modified. The Eliminator was a cruiser, just like it's competition, the Vmax. > >I had a ZL900 Eliminator - http://www.purplecar.org/zl900/heading.jpg > >Cool bike, but not very quick at all. It would run 11.20s in the 1/4, > >7.00s in the 1/8... I have a street car that's quicker than that ;-) > > Was it all initial acceleration and no sustain to it, or were the claims in > the ads and reviews wrong? Long wheelbase and a decent sized tire (for the day) made it a little quick off the line, but that was it. Witness the pokey 1/8 mile time. > >It competed with the Vmax 'back in the day', but didn't have > >the motor to keep up. > > Yeah, the Vmax was impressive...but didn't it come out a year or two after > the Eliminator? No, the ZL900 came out in '85, the same year as the Vmax. > >I've ridden a Heritage Classic and a Road King. They are cruisers. As > >others have mentioned, your definitions of bike styles are a bit 'off' > >:-) > > I'd prefer to think of it as "different". "Off" implies that there's some > sort of "right" answer, when it's really a matter of convention, and > convention requires mutual agreement. The folks I'm "mutually agreeing > with" are just from an earlier time than those some others are using for > reference authority. Trying to be as polite as possible, but you are a newb. Get some experience, real not Internet searches, and you'll figure things out for yourself. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 19:12:51 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:12:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Crazy Driver Increase To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Troutman wrote: > Anyone else notice an increase in the number of > crazy drivers on the road > the last couple of weeks? I never ride the week > following the time change > (2 weeks away now) because people get too weird on > the road. Since I've been riding to Herdon, I've noticed quite a few crazies out there. Probably normal for that part of town though :-) > Strangest one > I saw this week was a little Honda tailgating me on > 7100. I flashed my > brakes, and he went left to pass. Hmm, normally I just clearly wave my left hand back to them. Either horizontal moving up and down (slow down) or palm to them with a pushing motion (picture dog paddle). Normally wakes them up and they slow down. > He looked at me > as he passed, I scowled > back and noticed traffic was braking. Just as I hit > my brakes he flipped > out, swerved left and came pretty close to losing it > in the median. He > wasn't 3 feet from the oncoming lanes. There have > been a dozen similarly > strange sightings this week, including at least 5 > drivers starting to pull > out on me then hitting their brakes as I swerve. I > am now running full > hi-beams. Normally I look over and shake my head at them. Worked so far (crosses fingers). I've been running hi-beams for about two weeks now. > > Considering this, I didn't ride in the fog > yesterday. I couldn't see 50 > feet in Clifton. > I have noticed that they can't drive in fog worth a damn. 60 mph until they see the red light ahead. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 19:18:07 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:18:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: the eyes have it... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX And? Do you ride with a patch (that'd be interesting; Pittsburg flag on the back of the bike)? I can't see why a balance problem. Maybe a distance problem. Now with only one ear canal (like my ex-wife), there may be a balance issue. Carl --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Me > > > --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > > This leads me to ask: does anyone know any > one-eyed > > motorcyclists? Do they have any problems with > > particular moto > > skills, like doing Leon's circles or other > > slow-speed > > maneuvering? > > > > -- Larry > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > > search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== > www.deanforamerica.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 19:20:20 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:19:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Gonna do the dragon this weekend To: "'DCCycles'" By the way, we're going up to see The Corn Maze in Pennsylvania (http://www.cherrycrestfarm.com) and some riding in the "mountains" :-) Carl --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > Isaac Blanck opened an on-topic subject (for shame) > with: > "Well, since its a long weekend for us feds, i'm > going to Deal's Gap this > weekend. Any recommendations on routes, cheap > motels, places to eat, or > anything else that comes to mind? How far is the > western end from > Knoxville; i've got a buddy there I'd like to visit" > > > The northwestern end of the Dragon, Rt. 129 goes > right into Knoxville and is > ~ 40 mile ride.. > So you could stay with your bud. > Or. > The KOA in Tellico Plains, TN has cabins (& there > are other cabins and a > motel nearby) > The nice thing about Tellico Plains is it's a good > excuse to take the > Cherohala Skyway to the Dragon. > Or > TWO in Suches, GA . They may have rooms for this > weekend. Rts 60 & 68 are > also nice > > In any case BEWARE THE BLOUNT COUNTY LEOs on the > west end of the Dragon. > The fine for speeding is >$200. > If the weather is nice, they'll be enhancing the > county's fiscal position. > > Going or returning via the BRP or W(BG) 219 is nice > but not as fast as I-81. > You know your limits. > Weather should be great. > > Enjoy. > Carl in Bethesda (sigh, Caging to Rochester) > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 9 20:56:52 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:56:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Race Track To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well, maybe not. During the scheduled lunch breaks at this class, I've been hopping on the GSXR and going for rides in Herndon. I've ridden down 28 a couple of times. Came up 606 down to Spring Road and back to the Dulles Access Road. I've gotten back to class with seconds to spare and enjoyed my lunch time rides to no end. One thing I discovered today. I went down Centerville Road to Frying Pan Road. A left turn on Rt 28 and then drive up to the next light (1 mile? two?). Anyway, a u-turn at the light and Rt 28 back to Frying Pan Road is _empty_! Three Lanes Empty! And no cops (you look on the way to the light). It's a nice flat straightaway. Jon, you'll be happy to know that I've gotten the GSXR up to 11k in the first and second gears :-D The one guy who had made a right onto Rt 28 (and I passed fairly quickly :-) was still back over the hill when I made the right turn at Frying Pan Road. I wonder what the folks in the office building (hotel?) on the right think when seeing the blue streak? I gotta get rid of this bike before I maim/kill myself :-D (or get to a racetrack with full gear; and just so you know, I ride with more leather on this thing than I do on the Harley. FWIW). Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 01:18:23 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Skip , Mike Bartman Cc: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jetting: ten cent version? Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:18:21 -0500 I have heard it's a lot safer to use nitrous now because the systems are safer. So this isn't true. I thought in the past the management systems didn't exist and people ended up just putting to much in the engine and blowing it up. Rob -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Skip To: Mike Bartman Cc: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:59:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Jetting: ten cent version? > Mike Bartman wrote: > > > using nitrous also adds considerably to the strain on engine parts, so > > unless they were designed for it, you are more likely to break them with > > nitrous than without. A typical boost on a V-Twin bike engine is in the > > range of 50-60 HP. > > a guy at work got a bottle after "Fast and Furious" came out. We > got a poll together on how long it would be before he lunched his engine. > > I won with "First shot" because he screwed up on the installation > and somehow put the injector into the fuel line. he hit the button > and blew all the fuel out of the line into the engine and > hydraulic'ed it. > > if you're going to hit the bottle, you need a LOT more fuel. > nitrous will make fire, and if there isn't enough fuel, well, > pistons will burn, too. :~) > > usually, though, people just start spinning bearings and throwing rods. > > --skip, hit the blue god once or twice. ------- End of Original Message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 01:36:48 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:37:09 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: V-Strom 1000 vs Basdit 1200s vs ? At 06:59 PM 10/9/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >> Yeah, the Vmax was impressive...but didn't it come out a year or two after >> the Eliminator? > >No, the ZL900 came out in '85, the same year as the Vmax. Ok, thanks. >Trying to be as polite as possible, but you are a newb. Get some >experience, real not Internet searches, and you'll figure things out for >yourself. :-) I'm an old newb. I was playing on friends' trail bikes (Honda 70) and dirt bikes (some sort of 2 stroke, not sure of the make) in the early to mid 70s. I got my Yamaha in '83. I got my Honda in '85 (I think it was...give or take a year at most). I sold both around '91. No bikes again until about a week ago. I didn't do much of any wrenching on either bike though. Just replacing sheet metal and adding bolt on accessories, like luggage racks. I've worked on my cars in the past a bit more, but nothing major. Oil changes, tuneups, and brush replacement on my old Capri's alternator (or was it a generator?), bolting the steering back onto the front crossmember on the same car a few times, and a bit more on my first car ('67 VW Bug): valve adjustment, muffler replacement, clutch cable repair, emergency roadside distributor re-insertion and timing set (using a bulb borrowed temporarily from the right brake light), etc.. Also helped my dad with brake jobs, carb rebuilds, and a ball joint replacement on an old Merc Montclair when I was a teen (as well as all the usual tuneup/oil change stuff). I don't claim to be a mechanic by any stretch, but I do know which tools do what for all the common ones, and some of the less common ones. I do know a lot of bits and pieces from lots of different sources, which helps with understanding new things, but as you keep noting, most of it isn't "practical" experience gained from screwing up in the past on major projects. I've still got that to look forward to. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 02:19:33 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:41:52 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Crazy Driver Increase At 04:12 PM 10/9/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: >Normally I look over and shake my head at them. Worked >so far (crosses fingers). I've been running hi-beams >for about two weeks now. The subject of running in the daytime with high beams on came up at the MC-HOGs meeting tonight. Apparently it's illegal, at least in Maryland. It's still recommended by the safety officer and some of the MSF graduates (I'm not certain, but I got the impression that at least one of those is also an instructor) from a safety standpoint, but given that it's illegal, it was left as a "decide for yourself". I wonder why it's illegal? Is it just that the prohibition against following close behind other vehicles with high beams on doesn't restrict itself to night-time? Or was there an actual intent to prohibit it in daylight too? If so, why? The sun is still a lot brighter...you aren't likely to blind other drivers with high beams in broad daylight. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 06:44:32 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:44:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Crazy Driver Increase To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 04:12 PM 10/9/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >Normally I look over and shake my head at them. > Worked > >so far (crosses fingers). I've been running > hi-beams > >for about two weeks now. > > The subject of running in the daytime with high > beams on came up at the > MC-HOGs meeting tonight. Apparently it's illegal, > at least in Maryland. Hmm, don't know the status here in VA. I'm sure someone will pop up with an answer though :-) > It's still recommended by the safety officer and > some of the MSF graduates > (I'm not certain, but I got the impression that at > least one of those is > also an instructor) from a safety standpoint, but > given that it's illegal, > it was left as a "decide for yourself". > > I wonder why it's illegal? Is it just that the > prohibition against > following close behind other vehicles with high > beams on doesn't restrict > itself to night-time? Or was there an actual intent > to prohibit it in > daylight too? If so, why? The sun is still a lot > brighter...you aren't > likely to blind other drivers with high beams in > broad daylight. > Considering the number of cagers who drive with high beams, I'm not worried. They'll pull over for high beams when they pull over for things dangling from the rear view mirror and headphones. I do it to be different to traffic. If they're cursing me, they see me (and potentially want to run me off the road :-) > -- Mike B. > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 07:15:19 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 04:15:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: gps (cont...) To: DC Cycles last question. do garmin emaps differ from unit to unit in their expandability? i see some with 32 meg cards and other descriptions say "expandable to 16mb". i plan to have 32mb when all is said and done and don't want to be limited by my purchase. thanks in advance. -- tg ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 07:34:39 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 04:34:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Gonna do the dragon this weekend To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , DCCycles --- Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > > If there's anyone that has any ideas how to get a rear > tire for R6 by friday night, I'm all ears. Right now, my > rear is _flat_. I got a puncture on my ride back. since you didn't say what model/size tire you were looking for, try the following shops which seem to have the best local selection of sportbike tires: cycle accessory discounters in gaithersburg coleman powersports in falls church fast lane cycles in chantilly tires are easy to find (what am i missing?) -- tg ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 08:02:48 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:02:38 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: gps (cont...) To: DC Cycles >last question. do garmin emaps differ from unit to unit in >their expandability? i see some with 32 meg cards and >other descriptions say "expandable to 16mb". i plan to >have 32mb when all is said and done and don't want to be >limited by my purchase. > >thanks in advance. [Dave] Negative. All Emaps are flash upgradeable. Ditto Mapsource. www.garmin.com ... You can upgrade the memory card from the wimpy 8mb to 128 or 256... I have 128, that's enough for VA, and all coastal states- south, and VA + coastal regions to ME. The base map is the same, but the version of the OS could be different. You'll want the upgrade USB cable to upload maps etc to the unit. That's also how you flash upgrade the unit. That USB memory card thingie is probably pretty slick too, otherwise it takes hours to upload all the "mapsource data areas" into the emap ( on the 128 mb card ). www.tvnav.com has very good prices on all this stuff if nobody's mentioned it, and I've had very good service from them. HTH Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 08:04:28 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Race Track Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:04:21 -0400 Why more leather on that motorcycle? Like I said I saw a scooterer w/ chaps & jacket the other day. >From: Carl Schelin >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Race Track >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:56:48 -0700 (PDT) > >I gotta get rid of this bike before I maim/kill myself >:-D (or get to a racetrack with full gear; and just >so you know, I ride with more leather on this thing >than I do on the Harley. FWIW). _________________________________________________________________ Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL today! https://broadband.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 08:16:57 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:16:37 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Crazy Driver Increase To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >The subject of running in the daytime with high beams on >came up at the MC-HOGs meeting tonight. Apparently it's >illegal, at least in Maryland. [Dave] W/O searching, I believe you're correct. High beaming an oncoming driver constant is a violation. Flashing your high beams is NOT. Dr. Gridlock actually covered this in a column. > >I wonder why it's illegal? Is it just that the prohibition >against following close behind other vehicles with high >beams on doesn't restrict itself to night-time? Or was >there an actual intent to prohibit it in daylight too? [Dave] I don't remember if there was a discrepancy between night & day. I imagine 2 reasons for disallowing this 1: temporary blindness from very bright headlights for some 2: the 'dazzling' effect like when you pass a cop with some poor hapless revenue cow being milked on the side of the road. tough to ignore those fancy flashing lights. ..you aren't likely to blind other drivers with high beams >in broad daylight. [Dave] You must run a wimpy headlight... speaking only for myself, I run a 90/130 w headlight on the bike, and it works. With the wimpy 55/60 bulb - high or low beam, I got zero respect. With the 90/130 either setting is enough to get notice, and, if you position your headlight correctly, enough to cause great annoyance to the idiot cage operator in the left lane doing 55. 1st, they try to drift one way or another... Then they fiddle with the mirror. Finally, they realize in futility that they should pull out of the way - at which point, you pass with prejudice and be done with them. Just like you should have big honking tooters, another good accessory are big honking headlights :-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 09:08:01 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:07:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: gps (cont...) To: DC Cycles Tom, The one I have only came with an 8meg card. That's only good enough for one detail area. For example, one area around here translates to roughly the DC metro area out to maybe Reston OR the eastern panhandle of WV, up into PA, western Maryland and northwest Virginia. I have a 16meg card that holds both areas. 32 meg would be very good to have for the longer trips. The basemap, which covers the whole US, is hardcoded into the unit. It only covers fairly main thoroughfares. You won't get the really cool twisty roads. Fine if you're travelling by car, but not as useful on a bike. Chris Weaver --- Tom Gimer wrote: > last question. do garmin emaps differ from unit to > unit in > their expandability? i see some with 32 meg cards > and > other descriptions say "expandable to 16mb". i plan > to > have 32mb when all is said and done and don't want > to be > limited by my purchase. > > thanks in advance. > > -- > tg > > > > ===== > Thomas H. Gimer > MURPHY & GIMER, LLC > 7940A Wisconsin Avenue > Bethesda, MD 20814 > 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) > http://www.murphygimer.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 09:33:16 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:44:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Jetting: ten cent version? On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > Ok, sounds like it could be pretty complex to work out the ideal setup. > Multiple inter-related variables get like that. :^) > > I wonder why cam and timing play a part? Does it have to do with how long > it takes the spark to get the fuel burning? Higher octane is harder to > light, so things are at a different point in the cycle when the pressure Valve events play a huge part. Opening, closing and overlap. Also, what's good at high RPM may suck at low RPM. > >You also lose boost through an intercooler :-) > > Why is that? Just the lower initial pressure from the cooling? Does the > compressor make a difference, like maybe by having a second stage that > re-compresses the cooled air a bit or something? It comes from the flow restriction of the intercooler and associated tubing. As to your nitrous explanation, there are some things that aren't correct, but at 10,000ft it is a good understanding of the mechanics of it. You should read up on wet vs. dry, too ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 09:38:42 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:49:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Jetting: ten cent version? On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Skip wrote: > a guy at work got a bottle after "Fast and Furious" came out. We got a poll > together on how long it would be before he lunched his engine. > > I won with "First shot" because he screwed up on the installation and somehow > put the injector into the fuel line. he hit the button and blew all the fuel > out of the line into the engine and hydraulic'ed it. But this kid probably called it 'NNNAAAWWWSSSS', not nitrous oxide. :-) > if you're going to hit the bottle, you need a LOT more fuel. nitrous will make > fire, and if there isn't enough fuel, well, pistons will burn, too. :~) hehe, definately! > usually, though, people just start spinning bearings and throwing rods. It's all in the setup. Nitrous has a bad reputation because chuckleheads throw it on their ride and start melting shit right away. I've run nitrous for years without any trouble. I plan to spray a 40shot of dope on my bike, too. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 09:39:03 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:39:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: large bike http://www.bigbikeriders.com/48cyl.htm - 48 cylinder motorcycle engine. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 10:03:15 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:07:54 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jetting: ten cent version? On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > usually, though, people just start spinning bearings and throwing rods. > > It's all in the setup. Nitrous has a bad reputation because chuckleheads > throw it on their ride and start melting shit right away. I've run > nitrous for years without any trouble. > If you follow the directions with the kit, and your vehicle is in good shape, you are good to go. The extra power is just extra power, its not some magic form of horsepower that is more damaging. In fact the cold air charge reduces chances for detonation (all things being equal). I've had it in a mustang I had a while ago, swapped it for a supercharger, the power was addictive and I liked having it on tap all the time. Getting the bottle refilled was a PITA and expensive. > I plan to spray a 40shot of dope on my bike, too. :-) > Wayne, forget about the nitrous... think TURBO!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 10:14:20 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:25:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Jetting: ten cent version? On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, dan wrote: > > I plan to spray a 40shot of dope on my bike, too. :-) > > Wayne, forget about the nitrous... think TURBO!!! The problem with a turbo is the cost of admission. You're looking at $3500 minimum for a low end Hahn kit and $6000+ for one of the better kits from MCXpress, NLR, etc. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 10:20:58 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:25:37 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jetting: ten cent version? On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Wayne Edelen wrote: > The problem with a turbo is the cost of admission. You're looking at > $3500 minimum for a low end Hahn kit and $6000+ for one of the better kits > from MCXpress, NLR, etc. > > -- Wayne The sound of that turbo alone is worth it. Think of the NLR video....ooooh intoxicatin whistle... sick power. Besides, getting refills=loss of time ;-) Time is money! How's that for good reasoning? Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 11:41:11 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:41:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: How Things are Made To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX There's a section on motorcycles and motorcycle engines that might be interesting to some of the folks on this list: http://manufacturing.stanford.edu/hetm.html Chris Weaver __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 12:28:36 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:25:09 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Jetting: ten cent version? At 09:44 AM 10/10/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: >> I wonder why cam and timing play a part? Does it have to do with how long >> it takes the spark to get the fuel burning? Higher octane is harder to >> light, so things are at a different point in the cycle when the pressure > >Valve events play a huge part. Opening, closing and overlap. Also, >what's good at high RPM may suck at low RPM. Turbulence in the gasses I suppose? >> >You also lose boost through an intercooler :-) >> >> Why is that? Just the lower initial pressure from the cooling? Does the >> compressor make a difference, like maybe by having a second stage that >> re-compresses the cooled air a bit or something? > >It comes from the flow restriction of the intercooler and associated >tubing. Ah. That makes sense. Air gets denser, but is harder to shove into the cylinder. Add impellers to the intercooler to keep it moving maybe? Or does that create enough compression to be counterproductive? >As to your nitrous explanation, there are some things that aren't correct, >but at 10,000ft it is a good understanding of the mechanics of it. You >should read up on wet vs. dry, too ;-) If I ever decide to implement it, I will. Until then, I'll just keep picking up the info bits I happen to trip over, or that people are willing to toss in my direction, like I do with all subjects. It makes for a patchy picture of the world, but it's more complete than most have. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 12:37:43 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:31:53 -0400 To: dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Jetting: ten cent version? At 10:07 AM 10/10/03 -0400, dan wrote: >Wayne, forget about the nitrous... think TURBO!!! Turbo-supercharger or turbo-jet? -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 12:37:43 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:34:35 -0400 To: Erick Singley , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: large bike At 09:39 AM 10/10/03 -0400, Erick Singley wrote: >http://www.bigbikeriders.com/48cyl.htm - 48 cylinder motorcycle engine. Quite a feat. I think the Boss Hoss is more practical though...as well as answering the question of "not enough performance" for cruisers: http://www.bosshosscycle.com/ -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 12:40:59 2003 From: ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:40:45 EDT Subject: T-Rex To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Finally saw one in person on 95 yesterday, Woodbridge area. Looks like fun. www.go-t-rex.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 12:47:25 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:47:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: T-Rex On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:40:45 EDT > From: ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: T-Rex > > Finally saw one in person on 95 yesterday, Woodbridge area. Looks like fun. > www.go-t-rex.com Looks like you can run up to MD and buy one, if you're interested: http://www.prestige-motors.com/home.cfm?file=current&page=3&id=1165 Only $50k. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 12:51:49 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:51:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: large bike >At 09:39 AM 10/10/03 -0400, Erick Singley wrote: > >http://www.bigbikeriders.com/48cyl.htm - 48 cylinder motorcycle engine. > >Quite a feat. I think the Boss Hoss is more practical though...as well as >answering the question of "not enough performance" for cruisers: > >http://www.bosshosscycle.com/ > >-- Mike B. Let's see... 502 CI * 16.387 cc/ci = 8226.274 cc right? whew! Erick 74' cb750 - up and running again. Brrr. I need a scarf. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 13:23:30 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:24:04 -0400 To: Erick Singley , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: large bike At 12:51 PM 10/10/03 -0400, Erick Singley wrote: >>At 09:39 AM 10/10/03 -0400, Erick Singley wrote: >>http://www.bosshosscycle.com/ >> >>-- Mike B. > >Let's see... 502 CI * 16.387 cc/ci = 8226.274 cc right? whew! Yeah, and at 502 HP and 1300 lbs dry, that's 2.5 lbs/hp. Something like twice the power to weight ratio of a decent sport bike isn't it? ;^) On the other hand, corner Lean at 25 Degrees isn't going to make for much of a canyon carving tool. That's even less than my Heritage Classic. The price is an obstacle too...mid 30's minimum, without paint. On the road, realistically, is probably closer to $50k with some options and a nice paint job. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 13:26:13 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:19:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Race Track To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- rich hall wrote: > Why more leather on that motorcycle? Since I'm not as familiar with the "danger bike", I'm less sure how it'll act in a particular situation. I'm getting the hang of it but I don't think I'll ditch the leathers, and in fact may go with a more protective suit (like Jon's, for example). On the Harley, I drive carefully and defensively. On the Suzuki, I drive agressively and defensively. > Like I said I saw a scooterer w/ chaps & jacket the > other day. > Carl > >From: Carl Schelin > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Race Track > >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:56:48 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I gotta get rid of this bike before I maim/kill > myself > >:-D (or get to a racetrack with full gear; and > just > >so you know, I ride with more leather on this thing > >than I do on the Harley. FWIW). > > _________________________________________________________________ > Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL > today! > https://broadband.msn.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 13:42:09 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:42:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Fall Ride / Skins Tickets Anyone doing a fall ride this weekend? I would like to do something under 2 hours to take in the sites. Not too slow, not track speed. No Skyline trips (bumper to bumper). Skins-Tampa Bay tickets this weekend with parking pass $158 - 703-669-1911 do not email me (not mine) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 14:06:30 2003 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Race Track Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:05:05 -0400 Next thing ya' know, hooligan Carl is going to be doing big stand up wheelies! So, I guess by the big smile it was, ahem, rewarding? ----- Carl Schelin"wrote > Jon, you'll be happy to know that I've gotten the GSXR > up to 11k in the first and second gears :-D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 17:22:36 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:22:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: my idea but better To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://www.reevu.com/index.asp my idiotic idea was a small arm extending from teh helmet with a mirror attached. can you say "wind resistance" and "neck fatigue"? -- tg ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 17:34:51 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:34:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: my idea but better To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Tom Gimer wrote: > http://www.reevu.com/index.asp Heck, HD riders have had that capability forever; after a few [too many] beers, they just put the helmet on backwards and there you are. Or there you were. For free, too. Why do you think they wear beanies? > my idiotic idea was a small arm extending from teh helmet > with a mirror attached. can you say "wind resistance" and > "neck fatigue"? Those have existed for bicycle helmets for at least thirty years, and clamp onto moto helmets pretty well, too. No wind resistance to speak of. One more recent version is at http://www.bicyclebuys.com/Items01.asp?NavID=moreinfo&SKU=0139964 -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 18:41:19 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:52:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Power adders (was Re: Jetting: ten cent version?) On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 10:07 AM 10/10/03 -0400, dan wrote: > > >Wayne, forget about the nitrous... think TURBO!!! > > Turbo-supercharger or turbo-jet? Turbocharger = compressor driven from exhaust gas supercharger (centrifugal or roots-type) = belt driven There are 2 guys out there making belt driven superchargers for Hayabusas, to go along with the multitude of turbo kits available. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 19:08:51 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:09:27 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Power adders (was Re: Jetting: ten cent version?) At 06:52 PM 10/10/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > >> At 10:07 AM 10/10/03 -0400, dan wrote: >> >> >Wayne, forget about the nitrous... think TURBO!!! >> >> Turbo-supercharger or turbo-jet? > >Turbocharger = compressor driven from exhaust gas >supercharger (centrifugal or roots-type) = belt driven Before you decide to "correct" someone again, you might want to check your understanding of the situation. My usage was correct (other than the hyphen added for clarity). Yours is marketing slang, probably invented by some hack at a car manufacturer decades after the terms, and the devices, were in common use (with airplanes and hot rodders anyway). Both of the items you refer to are "superchargers". They both put an extra "charge" of air into the cylinder through pressurization of the intake system. The "turbosupercharger" is a supercharger driven by exhaust gasses spinning a turbine, rather than by belt, chain, gear or whatever from the crankshaft or other direct mechanical linkage to the engine. The direct-driven types are just "superchargers", or, sometimes, "geared superchargers". See: http://rwebs.net/avhistory/opsman/geturbo/geturbo.htm for some history of the terms and the devices. A small excerpt from the beginning: ========= The Turbosupercharger and the Airplane Power Plant General Electric January, 1943 This pamphlet was published by General Electric, the builders of most U.S. turbosuperchargers before and during World War II. This document was later published as Technical Manual TM 1-404, dated 30 December, 1943. Translated to HTML format and production Copyright )B© 1997 by Randy Wilson. ========= If you want to get your technical terminology from marketing hacks, rather than engineers, go ahead. I'll stick with the folks who invented the things. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 10 20:57:51 2003 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:56:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: One more Metro Guide 5 factoid No longer are the maps 8 MB chunks. They are somewhere between Road and Rec 200k and the old Metro Guide 8Mb. I just loaded all of the DC area, specifically NoVA and DC in just under 8MB which used to take 16. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 11 10:14:00 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: my idea but better Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:15:05 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec790421f444eb05458be43cac494792ab83350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > Those have existed for bicycle helmets for at least thirty > years, and clamp onto moto helmets pretty well, too. No wind > resistance to speak of. > > One more recent version is at > http://www.bicyclebuys.com/Items01.asp?NavID=moreinfo&SKU=0139964 > [Dave] Hehe... in 4th grade, Mr. Birckner used one of those to "keep an eye on me" while his back was turned ( like writing on the chalkboard ). At the time, it was alleged that I was involved in several 'chalk board eraser' fights. Those allegations were baseless, of cousre. His attached to eyeglass frames.. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 11 10:16:19 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: One more Metro Guide 5 factoid Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:17:26 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79b55576770285c657d56f1c1cffa9faf9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Mike discovered: > No longer are the maps 8 MB chunks. They are somewhere between Road and > Rec 200k and the old Metro Guide 8Mb. I just loaded all of the DC area, > specifically NoVA and DC in just under 8MB which used to take 16. [Dave] How is the level of detail & info as opposed to the 'old' mapsource ? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 11 18:01:11 2003 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:00:50 -0700 (PDT) From: David Fruehwald Subject: Woohoo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX First day with the new toy, man do I like my shiny new red Interceptor. I'm going to try and adjust to the new riding position but I think some Gen-Mar Risers and a Sargent seat may be on the list to Santa. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 11 18:49:32 2003 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:00:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: large bike On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 12:51 PM 10/10/03 -0400, Erick Singley wrote: > >>At 09:39 AM 10/10/03 -0400, Erick Singley wrote: > > >>http://www.bosshosscycle.com/ > >> > >>-- Mike B. > > > >Let's see... 502 CI * 16.387 cc/ci = 8226.274 cc right? whew! > > Yeah, and at 502 HP and 1300 lbs dry, that's 2.5 lbs/hp. Something like > twice the power to weight ratio of a decent sport bike isn't it? ;^) Except the bike's chassis can't handle the power and even the ridiculous car tire mounted on the back just goes up in smoke. There was a magazine that raced a bone stock ZX12R against a Boss Hoss... standing start and roll on... and the outcome was predictable. The ZX12R destroyed the Boss Hoss. The bikes are not fast, but the owners won't ever race them so it doesn't matter. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 11 19:06:35 2003 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:17:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Power adders (was Re: Jetting: ten cent version?) On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > If you want to get your technical terminology from marketing hacks, rather > than engineers, go ahead. I'll stick with the folks who invented the things. > > -- Mike B. I get my terminology from my experience racing, building engines and talking to other people doing the same, not some dude sitting around waiting for the next dc-cycles post. :-) How many engines have you built with a power adder of *ANY* kind? Mmm, yeah, ok. No need to respond, although I'm sure you will... along with every other post to the list. 8-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 11 19:33:10 2003 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:32:59 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: One more Metro Guide 5 factoid At 10:17 AM 10/11/2003, Dave Yates wrote: >Mike discovered: > > No longer are the maps 8 MB chunks. They are somewhere between Road and > > Rec 200k and the old Metro Guide 8Mb. I just loaded all of the DC area, > > specifically NoVA and DC in just under 8MB which used to take 16. > >[Dave] How is the level of detail & info as opposed to the 'old' mapsource? Much better, at least in the NoVA areas I have checked out. Very current roads and businesses. The data provider is the same one BMW uses in their in-dash car navigation systems. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 11 19:47:42 2003 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:47:39 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: Accident on the Key? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, Thought I saw a silver CBR-XX being maneuvred by a cop on the Key, Friday afternoon around 4:10 pm. Hope the rider is okay, since there was a fire truck and an ambulance there. No damaged (parked) cage to be seen as I rode by, but I did wonder what the circumstances might have been. JK 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 12 10:19:13 2003 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 07:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: One more Metro Guide 5 factoid To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Troutman wrote: > At 10:17 AM 10/11/2003, Dave Yates wrote: > >Mike discovered: > > > No longer are the maps 8 MB chunks. They are > somewhere between Road and > > > Rec 200k and the old Metro Guide 8Mb. I just loaded > all of the DC area, > > > specifically NoVA and DC in just under 8MB which used > to take 16. > > > >[Dave] How is the level of detail & info as opposed to > the 'old' mapsource? > > Much better, at least in the NoVA areas I have checked > out. Very current > roads and businesses. The data provider is the same one > BMW uses in their > in-dash car navigation systems. which version of metroguide -- 5.__? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 12 14:28:23 2003 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:28:23 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Power adders (was Re: Jetting: ten cent version?) At 07:17 PM 10/11/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: >waiting for the next dc-cycles post. :-) How many engines have you >built with a power adder of *ANY* kind? Mmm, yeah, ok. What does that have to do with knowing the proper names for things? Mmm, yeah, ok. >No need to respond, although I'm sure you will... along with every other >post to the list. 8-) Won't bother with any of yours in future. You can go make poses at others, but don't bother here...unless you need the ego-boo to prop up your self-image some more. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 12 21:36:23 2003 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:36:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Race Track To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well, I don't think I'll be doing wheelies. I have the feeling that even if I could (and the reviews on this bike say it's hard), I probably wouldn't like the result. There's a lot of weight on the bike with me on it :-) I definately like the exhileration of acceleration. It pushed me back into the seat and got me hunkered down quite low. Hopefully no hooliganism though. I'm still sitting in traffic instead of splitting. I imagine the first time some bozo opened a door would be the time I end up in front of a judge :-/ The curves on Portman Road just past Dale Blvd is quite nice though, even with the gravel in the center of the lane. Read this weekend's ride report (when I post it) to see a couple of minuses I found. Carl --- Jon Strang wrote: > Next thing ya' know, hooligan Carl is going to be > doing big stand up > wheelies! > > So, I guess by the big smile it was, ahem, > rewarding? > > ----- Carl Schelin"wrote > > > Jon, you'll be happy to know that I've gotten the > GSXR > > up to 11k in the first and second gears :-D > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 12 21:46:39 2003 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:46:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: my idea but better To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX But the mirror is in the wrong position. When I'm riding, I find that I'm looking from under the upper rim of the helmet. Dropping a mirror down, even a half inch will block much of my view. And considering the tail bag on the rear, what'll I actually see? I think I'd prefer the rear view LCD I've seen advertised. Mount a small camera on the tail and the LCD in front of you and you can watch the rear. Carl --- Tom Gimer wrote: > http://www.reevu.com/index.asp > > my idiotic idea was a small arm extending from teh > helmet > with a mirror attached. can you say "wind > resistance" and > "neck fatigue"? > > -- > tg > > > ===== > Thomas H. Gimer > MURPHY & GIMER, LLC > 7940A Wisconsin Avenue > Bethesda, MD 20814 > 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) > http://www.murphygimer.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 12 21:47:00 2003 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:46:39 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Race Track Carl Schelin wrote: > The curves on Portman Road just past Dale Blvd is > quite nice though, even with the gravel in the center > of the lane. Portman road? Curves? In Dale City? Where? :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 12 22:03:53 2003 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:03:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Race Track To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Erg, well I brought up Streets and Trips to verify the name before I sent the message and forgot to do it. It's actually Percell Road. Going down Dale Blvd to Hoadly Road and go through the light. That's Percell. It's not 211 or 32 but for my experience, it's a nice ride. Same with Spriggs Road. It's got some nice turns. Watch for the gravel though. Carl --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > The curves on Portman Road just past Dale Blvd is > > quite nice though, even with the gravel in the > center > > of the lane. > > Portman road? Curves? In Dale City? Where? :) > > Hork > -- > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - > BugSlayer > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - > Grape Nehi > CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - > Neat old bike > > The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games > People Play > Come join us in 2004: > http://www.masondixon20-20.org > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 12 22:12:42 2003 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:12:23 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Race Track Carl Schelin wrote: > > Erg, well I brought up Streets and Trips to verify the > name before I sent the message and forgot to do it. > It's actually Percell Road. Going down Dale Blvd to > Hoadly Road and go through the light. That's Percell. Oh yeah, that's a good road. > It's not 211 or 32 but for my experience, it's a nice > ride. Same with Spriggs Road. It's got some nice > turns. Watch for the gravel though. We should take a spin through Clifton sometime. Nice twisty stuff out there. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 12 22:29:43 2003 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:40:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Power adders (was Re: Jetting: ten cent version?) > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: Mike Bartman > > > At 07:17 PM 10/11/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > >On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > > > > >waiting for the next dc-cycles post. :-) How many engines have you > > >built with a power adder of *ANY* kind? Mmm, yeah, ok. > > > > What does that have to do with knowing the proper names for things? > > Mmm, yeah, ok. Nice retort and way to avoid the question. Much like your classification of motorcycles like a HD as a standard, you don't have any real world experience with anything that you post about here on the list. That's what it has to do with the 'proper name' for things. > > Won't bother with any of yours in > future. You can go make poses at > others, but don't bother > here...unless you need the ego-boo to prop > up your self-image some > more. > > -- Mike B. > > Dude, you're a joke. My inbox is being flooded with private messages from people agreeing with me, but they just don't want to post. Here are 2 that I received today (names removed to protect the guilty): --- This guy is a prick, everyone knows it, stop wasting your time and energy replying to him. I would send the same message to him, but well you how much he listens to messages telling him to clam up. --- I couldn't have said it better myself...LOL! --- I don't need an Internet mailing list to help me with my self-image, but you certainly seem to need something, based on your prolific posting. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 12 22:31:56 2003 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Race Track To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Well, I don't think I'll be doing wheelies. I have the > feeling that even if I could (and the reviews on this > bike say it's hard) then the reviewers are clueless! -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 12 22:32:03 2003 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:31:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Race Track To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I suspect we'd just meet at the end of each road :-) I might be able to next weekend. I'm on call so am tethered to the area all this week and next weekend. As long as I can get back to the office in 2 hours. Carl --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > > Erg, well I brought up Streets and Trips to verify > the > > name before I sent the message and forgot to do > it. > > It's actually Percell Road. Going down Dale Blvd > to > > Hoadly Road and go through the light. That's > Percell. > > Oh yeah, that's a good road. > > > It's not 211 or 32 but for my experience, it's a > nice > > ride. Same with Spriggs Road. It's got some nice > > turns. Watch for the gravel though. > > We should take a spin through Clifton sometime. > Nice > twisty stuff out there. > > Hork > > -- > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - > BugSlayer > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - > Grape Nehi > CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - > Neat old bike > > The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games > People Play > Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 12 23:02:46 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Race Track Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:51:09 -0400 I think most of us w/ "sportbikes" are more concerned that the other guy is going to cause us to need the leathers, not ourselves. That other guy still exists when you're riding a "cruser". Feel free to define these and other bikes however you want. >From: Carl Schelin >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Race Track >Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:19:04 -0700 (PDT) > > >--- rich hall wrote: > > Why more leather on that motorcycle? > >Since I'm not as familiar with the "danger bike", I'm >less sure how it'll act in a particular situation. I'm >getting the hang of it but I don't think I'll ditch >the leathers, and in fact may go with a more >protective suit (like Jon's, for example). > >On the Harley, I drive carefully and defensively. On >the Suzuki, I drive agressively and defensively. > > > > Like I said I saw a scooterer w/ chaps & jacket the > > other day. > > > >Carl > > > >From: Carl Schelin > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >Subject: Race Track > > >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:56:48 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >I gotta get rid of this bike before I maim/kill > > myself > > >:-D (or get to a racetrack with full gear; and > > just > > >so you know, I ride with more leather on this thing > > >than I do on the Harley. FWIW). > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL > > today! > > https://broadband.msn.com > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 01:01:49 2003 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:01:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Getting on the Track To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Alright I've put this off long enough. Now that I've sorted out some technical difficulties, I want to take my GS500 to the track (thats why I bought it in the first place). I had been planning to attend a specific riding school (i.e. Dp Safety School or CLASS) for my first track experience, but now I find I have a free weekend coming up and am impatient. My question is whether or not attending a trackday that might offer relatively little instruction is a good idea for my first time on the track. Willow Springs Moto Club will be running a street school (different from their Race School) this Friday for a good rate, and I'm quite tempted. Of course I will call them and talk to them directly, but I was interested in knowing if anyone on the list has been in this situation or has any advice for me. If anyone is interested in the actual details: http://www.race-wsmc.com/serv08.htm Thanks, Adam Reinhardt 91 GS500E __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 02:09:38 2003 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 02:09:33 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Power adders (was Re: Jetting: ten cent version?) At 10:40 PM 10/12/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >> ---------- Original Message ----------- >> From: Mike Bartman >> >> > At 07:17 PM 10/11/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >> > >On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: >> > >> > >waiting for the next dc-cycles post. :-) How many engines have you >> > >built with a power adder of *ANY* kind? Mmm, yeah, ok. >> > >> > What does that have to do with knowing the proper names for things? >> > Mmm, yeah, ok. > >Nice retort and way to avoid the question. I thought it was good, but it didn't avoid the question at hand, only your attempt to change the subject from one you were wrong on (in correcting me when I wasn't wrong) to one where you can play "mine's bigger" more easily. As for the answer to your question, I figured it was rhetorical, since I've made no secret here of my experience as a mechanic (almost nil, in case early senility has set in and you really did forget). >Much like your classification of motorcycles like a HD as a standard, you >don't have any real world experience with anything that you post about >here on the list. That's what it has to do with the 'proper name' for >things. Whether I know which company makes the best supercharger, or how to install it, has nothing at all to do with whether I know the name of the thing. I thought I'd proven that I *did* in fact know the proper term, by pointing you to a reference from one of the companies that invented the things. I figured you could read, but perhaps I was being overgenerous? As I said, the terms you "corrected" me with aren't wrong...in common slang use, or in marketing use for cars (and perhaps bikes, I've never seen it there though). They are, however, less "proper" than the one I used, and the one I used is anything but "wrong", and therefore not in any need whatsoever of "correction" from you...but you apparently didn't know the correct terms, so you "corrected" me anyway, thinking I'd made a mistake. If you weren't so into playing "expert", even when you aren't, you'd have just checked the reference, learned something, and apologized...but your fragile ego won't let you do that. As for my having no experience with anything that I post about to this list, that's bullshit. I may not have as much experience on some given subjects as others here, or even none outside of book learning, but I've never made any secret of that, and I've often posted in the form of questions, or with a leading disclaimer stating the limitations on what I do know. Sometimes I've even gotten nice responses explaining in greater detail where I had something wrong, and I've learned something. Seems worthwhile to me. On other subjects, such as how to classify various bikes, opinions vary, both from person to person and from time to time. There is no "right" answer on that particular subject. You pick your authority and go with it. My opinions on that subject formed before some here were born, and I don't update my references every couple of years to stay current with the latest magazine articles, and I'm not young enough to have only seen the latest incarnation of the definitions. I do realize, based on that discussion, that some people classify things I'd consider "sport bikes" (a classification that didn't really exist when I first started occasionally riding friend's bikes, not in the forms they take today...I didn't see those in showrooms until I went to get my first bike around '83. They weren't there when I'd been in a showroom a few years earlier) as "standards" though. Leaves me wondering what they'd call something like the Japanese bikes that were on the road in '76...those looked and handled nothing like the bikes people were calling "standards" in the recent discussion. >I don't need an Internet mailing list to help me with my self-image, but >you certainly seem to need something, based on your prolific posting. You sure seem to, or you wouldn't keep trying to belittle me. What I need is information and some polite discussion. There are some on this list who seem to be interested in that, but others who don't want to see any posts at all, and too many who want to play "king of the hill" like a bunch of high schoolers. Maybe they'll grow up someday. Or maybe not. >:-) You really should learn something about internet posting. Your use of emoticons is seriously flawed...or you can't write worth shit...because the two don't match at all. Oh, and most decent mail software has the ability to filter mail on various header fields. If you don't want to see my posts, filter them out. If you need help, ask the kid next door to explain it to you. For some reason I'm not much interested in helping you with anything at this point. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 06:56:52 2003 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:07:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Race Track On Sun, 12 Oct 2003, rich hall wrote: > I think most of us w/ "sportbikes" are more concerned that the other guy is > going to cause us to need the leathers, not ourselves. That other guy still > exists when you're riding a "cruser". I agree. I worry more about being clobbered by a cager than going down on my own, although I ride a sportbike more aggressively than I do a cruiser/std. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 07:09:03 2003 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:19:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Power adders (was Re: Jetting: ten cent version?) On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > >I don't need an Internet mailing list to help me with my self-image, but > >you certainly seem to need something, based on your prolific posting. > > You sure seem to, or you wouldn't keep trying to belittle me. What I need > is information and some polite discussion. There are some on this list who > seem to be interested in that, but others who don't want to see any posts > at all, and too many who want to play "king of the hill" like a bunch of > high schoolers. Maybe they'll grow up someday. Or maybe not. This is an Internet mailing list, if you are somehow affected by something I *TYPED*, you have issues. > >:-) > > You really should learn something about internet posting. Your use of > emoticons is seriously flawed...or you can't write worth shit...because the > two don't match at all. Being an administrator of mulitple mailing lists, I think I have a grasp of Internet posting. Maybe you can google me up some webpages on the use of emoticons to show me the err of my ways? ;-) > Oh, and most decent mail software has the ability to filter mail on various > header fields. If you don't want to see my posts, filter them out. If you > need help, ask the kid next door to explain it to you. For some reason I'm > not much interested in helping you with anything at this point. I use procmail on my Unix server to filter, but you're too entertaining to send to /dev/null ;-) And from your other post... > Won't bother with any of yours in future. You can go make poses at > others, but don't bother here...unless you need the ego-boo to prop > up your self-image some more. > > -- Mike B. Can you resist a reply? :-) <-- is this correct usage? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 08:49:57 2003 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:49:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Race Track Carl Schelin wrote: > > I suspect we'd just meet at the end of each road :-) > > I might be able to next weekend. I'm on call so am > tethered to the area all this week and next weekend. > As long as I can get back to the office in 2 hours. This coming weekend (the 18th) is the Feast in the East mini-endurance rally down in NC, one of my favorites, but after that, my schedule is mostly clear. Dale -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 09:27:45 2003 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: Re: Getting on the Track Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:27:24 -0400 You are in DC area, right? how about these guys below, they do track days at Summit Point; www.teampromotion.com They have less control riders, bit too less control? passing allowed on outside of turns They have Advanced Rider Training (ART) program for beginners and experts www.nesba.com There are people who like them and dislike them. They have lot of control riders, bit too much policing, no passing except for long straights. you can try them for free (click on membership info) --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track #881) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Reinhardt" To: Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 1:01 AM Subject: Getting on the Track > > Alright I've put this off long enough. Now that > I've sorted out some technical difficulties, I want to > take my GS500 to the track (thats why I bought it in > the first place). I had been planning to attend a > specific riding school (i.e. Dp Safety School or > CLASS) for my first track experience, but now I find I > have a free weekend coming up and am impatient. > > My question is whether or not attending a trackday > that might offer relatively little instruction is a > good idea for my first time on the track. Willow > Springs Moto Club will be running a street school > (different from their Race School) this Friday for a > good rate, and I'm quite tempted. Of course I will > call them and talk to them directly, but I was > interested in knowing if anyone on the list has been > in this situation or has any advice for me. > > If anyone is interested in the actual details: > http://www.race-wsmc.com/serv08.htm > > Thanks, > > Adam Reinhardt > 91 GS500E > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 09:58:25 2003 Subject: Re: Getting on the Track From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 13 Oct 2003 09:58:14 -0400 On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 09:27, Shigeru Honda wrote: > www.nesba.com > They have lot of control riders, bit too much policing, no passing except > for long straights. Just wanted to mention that this is inaccurate (the passing part). They have three groups, beginner, Intermediate, and Advanced. You start in Beginner, and are moved up when the club/control riders say so. The beginner group has controlled passing (straights, control rider controlled), the Intermediate group and allows passing on the straights (and I believe on the outside of turns), and the Advanced group is an open practice - passing at any time. And for what it's worth, one of the biggest "complaints" I hear about NESBA is from people who think they are ready to be "bumped up" into the next group, but are not. From what I've seen ... the control riders are usually right. Laura, for example, often rides in the intermediate group when we do NESBA days because she's more comfortable ... Even though she's "cleared" for advanced and she's running mid to 3/4 pack in a novice club race. Of course ... she doesn't have those pesky testosterone issues :) A lot of people don't grasp just how fast expert club racers and long-time track day guys are in the "advanced" group, and why it's important that it be proven they can hold their lines and not do anything stupid before they get moved up. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 11:53:33 2003 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:53:06 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my idea but better X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 This came up on another list I'm on a couple days ago. I checked out Reevu's website and sent them an e-mail regarding price, availability, sizing compared to other helmets, etc. This is the response I got back. "The final production date and cost price have not yet been fixed. This is one of the reasons why we launched the Helmet at Milan to ascertain the reaction from the distribution and motorsports enthusiasts. Every one was astounded by the technology and the helmets. We are hopeful that production shall start in around One month to begin to deliver as samples to the trade with volume production early in 2004. The helmet will be available for markets and will come with all of the relevant standards in sizes range from XS to XXL It is manufactured to the best available anti scratch anti bacteria and real ventilation system in Italy. 10 years of research and development have went into this product to give the consumer the best available product at this time. Future developments will follow with the introduction of the open face helmet and the flip up visor. Mark Steele Production Director" I might have to break down and buy one when they go into full production. :-) Scooter In a message dated 10/10/2003 5:22:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > http://www.reevu.com/index.asp > > my idiotic idea was a small arm extending from teh helmet > with a mirror attached. can you say "wind resistance" and > "neck fatigue"? > > -- > tg > > > ===== > Thomas H. Gimer > MURPHY & GIMER, LLC > 7940A Wisconsin Avenue > Bethesda, MD 20814 > 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) > http://www.murphygimer.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 13:46:23 2003 Reply-To: wayne@XXXXXX From: "wayne@XXXXXX" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Helmet Usage Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:46:15 -0400 http://www.autopia.org/gallery/data/500/3390wrong_helmet.jpg :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 18:27:47 2003 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:27:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Race Track To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX All I was saying is that, since I feel more comfortable on a cruiser, I ride with what's comfortable. I understand the risks and drive appropriately. Sometimes I'll ride with my jacket and sometimes with just a vest to fend off the rocks. On the Suzuki, while I'm enjoying the riding, I'm concerned with my handling of it and my ability to respond properly to a situation. I'm not a youngster any more and don't have the reflexes I had back then. So I use my jacket and full-face helmet, even in the hottest weather. I'm concerned with BDC's as well. On the Harley I ride almost as if I'm riding in a car, with regards to style. And while I try to ride the same way on the Suzuki, I find myself going a bit faster, a bit quicker and taking advantage of the maneoverability and size of the bike. *shrug* that's how it plays out. As far as classifications, you know what they say? An opinion is just like an asshole. Everybody has one :-) Carl --- rich hall wrote: > I think most of us w/ "sportbikes" are more > concerned that the other guy is > going to cause us to need the leathers, not > ourselves. That other guy still > exists when you're riding a "cruser". Feel free to > define these and other > bikes however you want. > > >From: Carl Schelin > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Race Track > >Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:19:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >--- rich hall wrote: > > > Why more leather on that motorcycle? > > > >Since I'm not as familiar with the "danger bike", > I'm > >less sure how it'll act in a particular situation. > I'm > >getting the hang of it but I don't think I'll ditch > >the leathers, and in fact may go with a more > >protective suit (like Jon's, for example). > > > >On the Harley, I drive carefully and defensively. > On > >the Suzuki, I drive agressively and defensively. > > > > > > > Like I said I saw a scooterer w/ chaps & jacket > the > > > other day. > > > > > > >Carl > > > > > >From: Carl Schelin > > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > >Subject: Race Track > > > >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:56:48 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > >I gotta get rid of this bike before I maim/kill > > > myself > > > >:-D (or get to a racetrack with full gear; and > > > just > > > >so you know, I ride with more leather on this > thing > > > >than I do on the Harley. FWIW). > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL > > > today! > > > https://broadband.msn.com > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! > http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 18:50:49 2003 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:50:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Power adders (was Re: Jetting: ten cent version?) To: Mike Bartman , Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 10:40 PM 10/12/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: > >> ---------- Original Message ----------- > >> From: Mike Bartman > >> > >> > At 07:17 PM 10/11/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: > >> > >On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > >I don't need an Internet mailing list to help me with my > self-image, but > >you certainly seem to need something, based on your > prolific posting. > > You sure seem to, or you wouldn't keep trying to belittle > me. What I need > is information and some polite discussion. There are > some on this list who > seem to be interested in that, but others who don't want > to see any posts > at all, and too many who want to play "king of the hill" > like a bunch of > high schoolers. Maybe they'll grow up someday. Or maybe > not. please do tell us to whom this comment (buried, as usual, in 5k bytes of shit) is directed. -- tg ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 20:37:56 2003 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:37:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Steele Subject: Registering a bike in DC To: DC Cycles Let me see how completely I don't understand the process of registering a bike in DC: 1. Insure bike (will this be possible before bike is purchased or registered?) 2. Purchase bike 3. Ride bike with previous owner's tags (is that kosher?) 4. Show up at DC DMV inspection station (do I need an appt? how do I get one?) 5. Take inspection certification to DMV office 6. Register bike (any catches?) Thoughts? -Sean __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 21:09:39 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Registering a bike in DC Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:10:35 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec798809a56eea57c48d3d80e6f5b56517c9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sean S made a list & checked it twice... > Let me see how completely I don't understand the > process of registering a bike in DC: > > 1. Insure bike (will this be possible before bike is > purchased or registered?) DY: It's been a while, but I did this effective the date of purchase(test ride, ride back, pay, etc... and already insured) > 2. Purchase bike > 3. Ride bike with previous owner's tags (is that > kosher?) DY: Eh... I've done it... don't know how legal it is. > 4. Show up at DC DMV inspection station (do I need an > appt? how do I get one?) DY: No provision for temp tags ? (w/o inspection?) > 5. Take inspection certification to DMV office > 6. Register bike (any catches?) DY: Bill of sale. Notarized if it's a relatively new bike and the sale price is less than the tax DC will charge. > > Thoughts? DY: Move ? much as I enjoy musing about the DC gov't incompetence, the process you describe would be similar in any surrounding area. FWIW, in MD, I found that by checking the web page, then calling the MVA number and asking all the important questions. Then, following up with the same questions the next day to a different MVA Drone, got me to the office with the required paperwork. At least twice, the follow up call saved the day, so don't just take it on faith that the person you get answers from knows what they're talking about. Good luck. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 21:20:58 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Dave Yates" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Registering a bike in DC Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:21:01 -0500 I have alway checked the MVA website and made sure I had my ducks in a row. I have never had a problem with the MVA. I just registered a bike that I bought used with a VA title and a Truck I bought in NY state brand new with a Certificate of Origin and got my license. Both went smooth as silk. Aside from the 2 hours waiting both times and outragous fees ($90 bux to move over my driver and motorcycle license!!!), it wasn't bad at all. I print out and fill out all the forms ahead of time and breezed through. Rob -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:10:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Registering a bike in DC > Sean S made a list & checked it twice... > > > Let me see how completely I don't understand the > > process of registering a bike in DC: > > > > 1. Insure bike (will this be possible before bike is > > purchased or registered?) > DY: It's been a while, but I did this effective the date of purchase(test > ride, ride back, pay, etc... and already insured) > > 2. Purchase bike > > 3. Ride bike with previous owner's tags (is that > > kosher?) > > DY: Eh... I've done it... don't know how legal it is. > > > 4. Show up at DC DMV inspection station (do I need an > > appt? how do I get one?) > DY: No provision for temp tags ? (w/o inspection?) > > > 5. Take inspection certification to DMV office > > 6. Register bike (any catches?) > DY: Bill of sale. Notarized if it's a relatively new bike and the sale > price is less than the tax DC will charge. > > > > Thoughts? > DY: Move ? much as I enjoy musing about the DC gov't > incompetence, the process you describe would be similar in any > surrounding area. FWIW, in MD, I found that by checking the web > page, then calling the MVA number and asking all the important > questions. Then, following up with the same questions the next day > to a different MVA Drone, got me to the office with the required > paperwork. At least twice, the follow up call saved the day, so > don't just take it on faith that the person you get answers from > knows what they're talking about. > > Good luck. > > Dave ------- End of Original Message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 21:33:44 2003 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:33:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Registering a bike in DC Cc: DC Cycles To: Sean Steele From: Jeff Steele Sean: Here is how I did it (also in DC): 1) purchase bike (this was from a private individual), but leave with previous owner; 2) get insurance; 3) take bill of sale and proof of insurance to DMV. Wait in line. Pay fee based on blue book value of bike and register. Get temp tag (big car-sized cardboard thing); 4) Go get bike at previous owner's house. Put temp tag on and take home; 5) Take bike with temp tag to Inspection station. Confirm that lights and horn work. Get some kind of paper and inspection sticker; 6) Go to DMV. Wait in line. Show paper from inspection station and get real tag. You can probably switch the order of 1 and 2, but everything else is pretty mandatory I believe. Regards, Jeff On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 08:37 PM, Sean Steele wrote: > Let me see how completely I don't understand the > process of registering a bike in DC: > > 1. Insure bike (will this be possible before bike is > purchased or registered?) > 2. Purchase bike > 3. Ride bike with previous owner's tags (is that > kosher?) > 4. Show up at DC DMV inspection station (do I need an > appt? how do I get one?) > 5. Take inspection certification to DMV office > 6. Register bike (any catches?) > > Thoughts? > > -Sean > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 21:37:45 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Registering a bike in DC Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:38:07 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Steele" Sean, Looks like you've got the rudiments down pat. A few elabations and clarifications follw. > Let me see how completely I don't understand the > process of registering a bike in DC: > > 1. Insure bike (will this be possible before bike is > purchased or registered?) Just give the VIN to the insurance company and the day you'd like coverage to start. They're more than happy to take your money. :) Some companies want a photo. You can usually send that in latter. Have the company fax a proof of insurance to you. You'll need it to get a temp tag. > 2. Purchase bike Get title, obviously, and a Bill of Sale. Don't forget the tool kit, manuals, any spare parts the PO has lying around, especially OEM stuff that's been replaced with an aftermarket farkle. Every time I've bought a bike, the PO usually has a "eureka" moment and remembers some spare item he's had stuffed in the corner of the garage. > 3. Ride bike with previous owner's tags (is that > kosher?) Not really, but I've done it. Better solution is to let PO keep it until you go to DMV to get your 30-day temp tag. Make sure *your* insurance is on the bike. You'll need proof of insurance to get the temp tag anyway. > 4. Show up at DC DMV inspection station (do I need an > appt? how do I get one?) Nope, just show up for the lights'n'horn deal, but you'll need a thirty-day temp tag and the temp tag registration certificate. Oh, and they need to note the VIN, displacement, mileage, etc., on a separate form. The form is needed at main DMV, as you note below. I've found mornings are pretty good, better 8:00 and 8:30, after the morning "rush." They used to say go mid-month, but that's less of an issue now that the inspections expire on any day of the month, not en masse on the last day. Think of a place for them to put the bike-unfriendly sticker. Forks are a popular choice. > 5. Take inspection certification to DMV office. Yup, and pay the title transfer fee. You'll need proof of insurance. Bring reading materials, unless you enjoy the CNN crawl. Note sign that says "patrons using profanity will be served another day." Remember that when the counter drone says the inspection station didn't give you the right form. > 6. Register bike (any catches?) Nope. Install hard tag, ride, enjoy and smile. Don't forget to wave to the rest of us on the road. > > Thoughts? Having been through this drill three times, it's not too bad, considering you have to make three different appearances at DMV facilities. Even managed to do it all in one day once. Tempting fate, I know. > > -Sean Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 13 21:39:06 2003 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:39:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Steele Subject: Re: Registering a bike in DC To: Jeff Steele Cc: DC Cycles > 5) Take bike with temp tag to Inspection station. > Confirm that lights and horn work. Did you just show up at the inspection station to do this? -Sean __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 03:25:49 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:24:57 -0400 To: Sean Steele , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Registering a bike in DC At 05:37 PM 10/13/03 -0700, Sean Steele wrote: >Let me see how completely I don't understand the >process of registering a bike in DC: > >1. Insure bike (will this be possible before bike is >purchased or registered?) You will need to know the VIN for the bike in question, and have money for premiums. That's about all the insurance company will require. They may want some other info about you and the bike, but that won't be specific to a particular bike, just the model (engine size, any performance enhancements involved, your riding experience, MSF completions, etc. along with how much insurance you want). That's the way it worked for me about 3 weeks ago anyway. -- Mike B. ========================================================================== The Boulder Pledge: "Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anything offered to me as the result of an unsolicited email message. Nor will I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warnings to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival of the online community." ========================================================================== From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 09:58:59 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:58:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Short Note To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm working on our ride report to Pennsylvania but a little note here. We stopped at the MARC parking lot at Point of Rocks. As we pulled out of the lot, Rita didn't see the car crest over the hill and paniced. She laid the bike down just under the guardrail and got pinned under it. I was up the road waiting for her when I saw traffic stopping. I wheeled around and arrived to find her leaning on the guardrail and being helped by passers by. Three guys were trying to get her bike up. I got on the other side and pulled it upright and then we pulled it out. Rita has a couple of scrapes (elbow and knee), a nice sized bruise on her elbow and a lovely knot on her lower leg where she was pinned. She bruises easily so the injury looks worse. Anyway, she decided to continue on after I checked her out and then the bike. I had to pop the windshield back into place and clean some dirt off. The left peg seems to have taken the worst punishment and is a little bent. I got some nice pictures yesterday and when I get Saturday's ride down, I'll post the entire report. She's fine though. A little bruised but looking forward to the next ride. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 10:06:37 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Short Note To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Good news she is fine and that she is looking forward to the next ride. The first 'accident' is critical to see if motorcycling is really for you (her). --- Carl Schelin wrote: > I'm working on our ride report to Pennsylvania but a > little note here. > > We stopped at the MARC parking lot at Point of > Rocks. As we pulled out of > the lot, Rita didn't see the car crest over the hill > and paniced. She laid > the bike down just under the guardrail and got > pinned under it. > > I was up the road waiting for her when I saw traffic > stopping. I wheeled > around and arrived to find her leaning on the > guardrail and being helped > by passers by. > > Three guys were trying to get her bike up. I got on > the other side and > pulled it upright and then we pulled it out. > > Rita has a couple of scrapes (elbow and knee), a > nice sized bruise on her > elbow and a lovely knot on her lower leg where she > was pinned. She bruises > easily so the injury looks worse. > > Anyway, she decided to continue on after I checked > her out and then the > bike. I had to pop the windshield back into place > and clean some dirt off. > The left peg seems to have taken the worst > punishment and is a little > bent. > > I got some nice pictures yesterday and when I get > Saturday's ride down, > I'll post the entire report. She's fine though. A > little bruised but > looking forward to the next ride. > > Carl > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 10:16:15 2003 Subject: RE: Short Note Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:16:06 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Carl Schelin" , Glad to hear Rita is okay. I admire her gumption, a fall can certainly be unsettling to a new rider (or even not so new!) and it takes strength of character to get back astride after such a mishap. Best wishes for a quick recovery, and a whole lot of smooth-riding miles to come! Robert -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:dm_gsxr@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:59 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Short Note I'm working on our ride report to Pennsylvania but a little note here. We stopped at the MARC parking lot at Point of Rocks. As we pulled out of the lot, Rita didn't see the car crest over the hill and paniced. She laid the bike down just under the guardrail and got pinned under it. I was up the road waiting for her when I saw traffic stopping. I wheeled around and arrived to find her leaning on the guardrail and being helped by passers by. Three guys were trying to get her bike up. I got on the other side and pulled it upright and then we pulled it out. Rita has a couple of scrapes (elbow and knee), a nice sized bruise on her elbow and a lovely knot on her lower leg where she was pinned. She bruises easily so the injury looks worse. Anyway, she decided to continue on after I checked her out and then the bike. I had to pop the windshield back into place and clean some dirt off. The left peg seems to have taken the worst punishment and is a little bent. I got some nice pictures yesterday and when I get Saturday's ride down, I'll post the entire report. She's fine though. A little bruised but looking forward to the next ride. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 10:18:13 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:18:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Short Note To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Oh yea. And in fact, she said she felt more comfortable now since a big concern was that she'd be crushed by the bike if it fell on her. I think it was fortunate because of the angle. I think the peg and the angle of the bike made a difference in the results of the accident. Perhaps highway bars would be an appropriate purchase in addition to a communications system for her (it would have been better if I'd heard her yell or if I could have said "car" as I pulled out and perhaps avoided the accident). Carl --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Good news she is fine and that she is looking forward > to the next ride. The first 'accident' is critical to > see if motorcycling is really for you (her). > > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > I'm working on our ride report to Pennsylvania but a > > little note here. > > > > We stopped at the MARC parking lot at Point of > > Rocks. As we pulled out of > > the lot, Rita didn't see the car crest over the hill > > and paniced. She laid > > the bike down just under the guardrail and got > > pinned under it. > > > > I was up the road waiting for her when I saw traffic > > stopping. I wheeled > > around and arrived to find her leaning on the > > guardrail and being helped > > by passers by. > > > > Three guys were trying to get her bike up. I got on > > the other side and > > pulled it upright and then we pulled it out. > > > > Rita has a couple of scrapes (elbow and knee), a > > nice sized bruise on her > > elbow and a lovely knot on her lower leg where she > > was pinned. She bruises > > easily so the injury looks worse. > > > > Anyway, she decided to continue on after I checked > > her out and then the > > bike. I had to pop the windshield back into place > > and clean some dirt off. > > The left peg seems to have taken the worst > > punishment and is a little > > bent. > > > > I got some nice pictures yesterday and when I get > > Saturday's ride down, > > I'll post the entire report. She's fine though. A > > little bruised but > > looking forward to the next ride. > > > > Carl > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > > search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== > www.deanforamerica.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 10:27:38 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:27:15 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Short Note Carl Schelin wrote: > > Oh yea. And in fact, she said she felt more comfortable now since a big > concern was that she'd be crushed by the bike if it fell on her. I think > it was fortunate because of the angle. I think the peg and the angle of > the bike made a difference in the results of the accident. Perhaps highway > bars would be an appropriate purchase in addition to a communications > system for her (it would have been better if I'd heard her yell or if I > could have said "car" as I pulled out and perhaps avoided the accident). > > Carl perhaps my view will change when I'm riding with a loved one, but at this point, one of the things I enjoy about riding is the quiet solitude of me and my machine. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 11:10:07 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:09:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Short Note On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:18:10 -0700 (PDT) > From: Carl Schelin > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Short Note > > Oh yea. And in fact, she said she felt more comfortable now since a big > concern was that she'd be crushed by the bike if it fell on her. I think > it was fortunate because of the angle. I think the peg and the angle of > the bike made a difference in the results of the accident. Perhaps highway > bars would be an appropriate purchase in addition to a communications > system for her (it would have been better if I'd heard her yell or if I > could have said "car" as I pulled out and perhaps avoided the accident). Glad she and the bike are Mostly ok. I'll say this -- yesterday was flat out awful for riding, IMHO. Not because of weather, rather, because the other motorists were going nutso due to the lower volume of traffic. Things were moving just a bit faster than normal, and I'm not sure people knew what to think. Having to make too many quick descisions or something. I had several incidents -- more than normal -- between the time I got off of 66 and when I pulled into my driveway last night. I'd like to thank MSF and BMW for saving my hide! The first incident -- at the Washington Blvd exit -- silver minivan, first cuts me off, by pulling into my lane as I'm coming up the exit ramp, before the light. No big deal, happens all the time. Missed me by about an arms length. No signal until she was already in my lane. However, then, after the light turns, minivan has left turn blinker on, but decides, AFTER she's already in the process of a left hand turn and I'm starting to go straight through the intersection behind her, that she REALLY wants to go straight, so cuts back into my lane. I was far enough back, and positioned to the right of the lane, so wasn't in any real danger. I did grab a fairly good handful of brakes (mmmm! power-assist anti-lock!) and laid on the horn (mmm... loud stock horn). Had I been in the cage, I'd probably have had a minivan stuck to my front bumper and the toyota behind me sitting in my trunk. Next incident, I'm at a stoplight at the corner of North George Mason and Wilson Blvd. (http://tinyurl.com/qvjj) Am first in line, sitting slightly to the left of the right hand lane. I'm on the left side, because across the intersection is an incoming right turn lane off of Wilson which frequenly has a car sticking out into the lane of oncoming traffic. As I'm putting my foot down to stop for the light, a dark colored LandRover roars -- not eases its way around me, not makes any sort of indication it doesn't want to wait for the light -- it ROARS by me on the right -- note, there isn't actually a right turn lane -- and makes a right hand turn onto Wilson. Yet again, within an arms length of disaster. Finally, am on Park, about to cross Rt 50. A car in oncoming traffic, who didn't have any blinkers on, decides to make a left turn as I'm starting to enter the intersection. I slow some, no problem, happens all the time. But, then they see me and stop. I slow more and give them some horn. They finally make up their mind and complete the turn, clearing the intersection. A few minutes later, I'm home, and heading for a beer. Not the sorta ride which is easy to enjoy. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 12:34:16 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:28:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Short Note To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Skip wrote: > > > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > > Oh yea. And in fact, she said she felt more comfortable now since a > big > > concern was that she'd be crushed by the bike if it fell on her. I > think > > it was fortunate because of the angle. I think the peg and the angle > of > > the bike made a difference in the results of the accident. Perhaps > highway > > bars would be an appropriate purchase in addition to a communications > > system for her (it would have been better if I'd heard her yell or if > I > > could have said "car" as I pulled out and perhaps avoided the > accident). > > > > Carl > > > perhaps my view will change when I'm riding with a loved one, but at > this point, > one of the things I enjoy about riding is the quiet solitude of me and > my > machine. > As do I. When I'm by myself. When I'm with Rita, I want to share things on the road. Something I can do in a cage but not as well on the road (wild waving of arms notwithstanding). It's hard to tell her something while we're at a light and we have full faced helmets on. > > --skip > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 12:42:09 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:42:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Extra Sprocket Tooth. The vast majority of my riding is superslab highway commuting. I often find myself reaching for seventh gear, or wishing I could make it to 80 indicated without hearing my bike wince in pain. What would happen if I put on a front sprocket with an extra tooth? I've been led to believe that would increase my top speed. Would it also mean fewer revs at a given speed? How would it affect gas mileage, given the constant-cruising-speed type of riding I do so much of? Just curious. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 12:52:56 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:52:49 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. At 12:42 PM 10/14/2003, Fish Flowers wrote: >What would happen if I put on a front sprocket with an extra tooth? I've >been led to believe that would increase my top speed. Would it also mean >fewer revs at a given speed? How would it affect gas mileage, given the >constant-cruising-speed type of riding I do so much of? Most people do the opposite and drop a tooth in front or rear because they don't need the top end. When I dropped a tooth up front, I got a shorter shift pattern, ran a higher rev at cruising speed and increased my torque (feel) and acceleration. I would guess the opposite effects would hold true for you. Upping two teeth in the rear is about the same as upping one in the front, all things being equal. Consider going up one tooth in the rear to start. Advice is to replace all sprockets and chain at the same time depending on wear and mileage. If the other components are only 5000 miles old, just swap in the new rear sprocket and roll. Changing more than one tooth in the front or two in the rear may mean a new chain to size it correctly. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org All that is now All that is gone All that's to come and everything under the sun is in tune but the sun is eclipsed by the moon. The lunatic is on the grass. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 12:54:03 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:52:34 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Short Note At 06:58 AM 10/14/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: >Anyway, she decided to continue on after I checked her out and then the >bike. I had to pop the windshield back into place and clean some dirt off. >The left peg seems to have taken the worst punishment and is a little >bent. > >I got some nice pictures yesterday and when I get Saturday's ride down, >I'll post the entire report. She's fine though. A little bruised but >looking forward to the next ride. Glad to hear that she's in pretty good shape, both physically and mentally, after her mishap. She sounds like an amazing woman from all you've said about her so far. :^) Hope her bruises and scrapes heal up quickly. Was she wearing leathers? Just wondering if it was equipment failure, or absence that resulted in what injuries she did get. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 13:16:00 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Troutman , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:16:04 -0500 How is upping two teeth in the rear like going up one in the front ? I thought most bikes where like 15-17 up front and like 45-47 in the rear. Wouldn't you have to go up 3 teeth in the rear to get the one in the front ? I think I see your point that replacing the rear sprocket as being easier than replacing the front. I found on my Hawk I often wished it had a 6th gear for cruising, but it's not a cruising type bike :) For Fish: What kind of bike are we talking about and do you know your sprocket sizes? Rob -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Troutman To: DC-Cycles Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:52:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. > At 12:42 PM 10/14/2003, Fish Flowers wrote: > >What would happen if I put on a front sprocket with an extra tooth? I've > >been led to believe that would increase my top speed. Would it also mean > >fewer revs at a given speed? How would it affect gas mileage, given the > >constant-cruising-speed type of riding I do so much of? > > Most people do the opposite and drop a tooth in front or rear > because they don't need the top end. When I dropped a tooth up > front, I got a shorter shift pattern, ran a higher rev at cruising > speed and increased my torque > (feel) and acceleration. I would guess the opposite effects would > hold true for you. > > Upping two teeth in the rear is about the same as upping one in the > front, all things being equal. Consider going up one tooth in the > rear to start. Advice is to replace all sprockets and chain at the > same time depending on wear and mileage. If the other components > are only 5000 miles old, just swap in the new rear sprocket and > roll. Changing more than one tooth in the front or two in the rear > may mean a new chain to size it correctly. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > All that is now > All that is gone > All that's to come > and everything under the sun is in tune > but the sun is eclipsed by the moon. > > The lunatic is on the grass. ------- End of Original Message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 13:30:19 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:25:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Short Note To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 06:58 AM 10/14/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >Anyway, she decided to continue on after I checked her out and then the > >bike. I had to pop the windshield back into place and clean some dirt > off. > >The left peg seems to have taken the worst punishment and is a little > >bent. > > > >I got some nice pictures yesterday and when I get Saturday's ride down, > >I'll post the entire report. She's fine though. A little bruised but > >looking forward to the next ride. > > Glad to hear that she's in pretty good shape, both physically and > mentally, > after her mishap. She sounds like an amazing woman from all you've said > about her so far. :^) > > Hope her bruises and scrapes heal up quickly. Was she wearing leathers? > Just wondering if it was equipment failure, or absence that resulted in > what injuries she did get. > She had on her leather coat, new leather gloves, full face helmet and leather boots. Her chaps were in my tank bag. An additional note is that her jeans didn't even scuff nor did the jacket. Her left boot is quite scuffed up though and a rock was imbedded in the seam at the toe. I'm not sure that the main injury would have been affected by the fall. It seemed to be more of a result of being pinned than anything else. I didn't see her pinned so I don't know the position of the leg. > -- Mike B. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 13:32:32 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:32:27 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. At 02:16 PM 10/14/2003, Rob Sharp wrote: >How is upping two teeth in the rear like going up one in the front ? I >thought most bikes where like 15-17 up front and like 45-47 in the rear. >Wouldn't you have to go up 3 teeth in the rear to get the one in the front ? I don't know that there is any standard sprocket size front or rear. I based the 2 in the rear info on experience with the VFR list. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 13:32:51 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:32:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Rob Sharp wrote: > For Fish: What kind of bike are we talking about and do you know your > sprocket sizes? Suzuki GS500E. I believe the front has 16 teeth; dunno about the rear -- I have a set of stock sprockets sitting on my desk at home (it's getting time to change my chain, which is why I've been thinking about this), I can check later. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 13:39:45 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:39:41 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Re: Registering a bike in DC To: Sean Steele , Jeff Steele Cc: DC Cycles > Did you just show up at the inspection station to do > this? > > -Sean Yep, just show up. They frequently wave you to the front of the line if you are just getting a bike inspected. You can also trailer the bike without temp tags, get it inspected first, take the inspection certificate to the DMV to register it, and get hard tags, thereby saving one trip to the DMV. FWIW... the DMV office in Brentwood is way, way faster than going to C street, and parking is a lot easier. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 13:42:00 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:56:38 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. To: DC-Cycles A curious Fish asked: >I often find myself reaching for seventh gear, or wishing I >could make it to 80 indicated without hearing my bike wince >in pain. > >What would happen if I put on a front sprocket with an extra >tooth? I've been led to believe that would increase my top >speed. Would it also mean fewer revs at a given speed? How >would it affect gas mileage, given the constant-cruising- >speed type of riding I do so much of? [Dave] If you're concerned about top speed, buy a used C model zx11... If you went up 1 tooth on the front sprocket, you may reap a mpg or 2, and you may cruise _a little_ easier, but it won't be a mondo difference; 250-500 rpms tops (just a guess, someone chime in with hard #'s please). It will bet tougher to take off due to the taller gearing. It may be negligible, but it will be there. FWIW, I de- toothed my ZX11's rear sprocket by 3; going from 45 to 42, and I reclaimed about 1-2 mpg... She's got 90+ lbs. ft of torque though, YMMV... To do this, I had to drop a link from the chain, but with adding only one tooth, I don't _think_ you'd need to mess with the chain. HTH Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 13:44:26 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:44:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. To: Troutman , DC-Cycles Fish and Troutman cast a net with: > >What would happen if I put on a front sprocket with > an extra tooth? > Changing more than one > tooth in the front or two in the rear may mean a new > chain to size it > correctly. To lower your engine revs, increase teeth on the front sprocket or decrease the number in the rear. Personally, I find the front sprocket easier to change, I have to remove the rear wheel to replace the rear one. Up front, just release the chain tension, unbolt the sprocket, pull it off the shaft and slide the new sprocket under the chain and into it's place. Replacing the front sprocket with a larger (or smaller) one is common for riders with smaller bikes. With less power on tap, it's important to keep the motor in the right RPM range for power, fuel economy or engine life. Leon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 14:02:53 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:02:59 -0500 Check out Vortex Racing. They make an array of stuff including sprokets. I did a look up on your model and you can get read from 39 teeth up to 50 teeth. I dunno if those sizes are ones that FIT your bike or suggested sizes by Vortex. If you have access to a GS500 list on the net, I would suggest you ask there. I am sure there is a couple people who have messed around with this stuff. URL(requires IE to work): http://www.vortexracing.com/work/sprockets_products.htm -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. > On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Rob Sharp wrote: > > > For Fish: What kind of bike are we talking about and do you know your > > sprocket sizes? > > Suzuki GS500E. I believe the front has 16 teeth; dunno about the rear > -- I have a set of stock sprockets sitting on my desk at home (it's > getting time to change my chain, which is why I've been thinking > about this), I can check later. > > Fish. ------- End of Original Message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 14:05:10 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Rob Sharp" , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:05:17 -0500 Another note: 89-01 GS500 Front: 16 Rear: 39 Chain: 520-110 Looks like you can go up a LOT in the rear. -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Rob Sharp" To: Troutman , DC-Cycles Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:16:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. > How is upping two teeth in the rear like going up one in the front ? > I thought most bikes where like 15-17 up front and like 45-47 in > the rear. Wouldn't you have to go up 3 teeth in the rear to get the > one in the front ? > > I think I see your point that replacing the rear sprocket as being > easier than replacing the front. I found on my Hawk I often wished > it had a 6th gear for cruising, but it's not a cruising type bike :) > > For Fish: What kind of bike are we talking about and do you know > your sprocket sizes? > > Rob > > -- > Rob Sharp > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > Network Security Engineer > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: Troutman > To: DC-Cycles > Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:52:49 -0400 > Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. > > > At 12:42 PM 10/14/2003, Fish Flowers wrote: > > >What would happen if I put on a front sprocket with an extra tooth? I've > > >been led to believe that would increase my top speed. Would it also mean > > >fewer revs at a given speed? How would it affect gas mileage, given the > > >constant-cruising-speed type of riding I do so much of? > > > > Most people do the opposite and drop a tooth in front or rear > > because they don't need the top end. When I dropped a tooth up > > front, I got a shorter shift pattern, ran a higher rev at cruising > > speed and increased my torque > > (feel) and acceleration. I would guess the opposite effects would > > hold true for you. > > > > Upping two teeth in the rear is about the same as upping one in the > > front, all things being equal. Consider going up one tooth in the > > rear to start. Advice is to replace all sprockets and chain at the > > same time depending on wear and mileage. If the other components > > are only 5000 miles old, just swap in the new rear sprocket and > > roll. Changing more than one tooth in the front or two in the rear > > may mean a new chain to size it correctly. > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org > > > > All that is now > > All that is gone > > All that's to come > > and everything under the sun is in tune > > but the sun is eclipsed by the moon. > > > > The lunatic is on the grass. > ------- End of Original Message ------- ------- End of Original Message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 14:05:56 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:00:40 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Short Note At 10:25 AM 10/14/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >> Hope her bruises and scrapes heal up quickly. Was she wearing leathers? >> Just wondering if it was equipment failure, or absence that resulted in >> what injuries she did get. >> >She had on her leather coat, new leather gloves, full face helmet and >leather boots. Her chaps were in my tank bag. Sounds pretty well protected. I guess the scrapes were through the jeans? I once fell on my 10 speed and ripped a 2" diameter patch of skin off of my shoulder, without tearing the shirt that was over it. Just scuffed it a little. Weird stuff. >I'm not sure that the main injury would have been affected by the fall. It >seemed to be more of a result of being pinned than anything else. The only way I can see preventing or limiting bruising is with some sort of solid armor plate, like a medieval knight, perhaps made of something like Kydex. You have to spread the impact over as much area as possible. I doubt many would be willing to wear all that just to prevent some bruises. :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 14:12:03 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:12:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Short Note To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 10:25 AM 10/14/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > >> Hope her bruises and scrapes heal up quickly. Was she wearing > leathers? > >> Just wondering if it was equipment failure, or absence that resulted > in > >> what injuries she did get. > >> > >She had on her leather coat, new leather gloves, full face helmet and > >leather boots. Her chaps were in my tank bag. > > Sounds pretty well protected. I guess the scrapes were through the > jeans? Yea, no scuff marks at all. > I once fell on my 10 speed and ripped a 2" diameter patch of skin off of > my > shoulder, without tearing the shirt that was over it. Just scuffed it a > little. Weird stuff. > I figure it's more of a rug burn than an asphalt scrape. > >I'm not sure that the main injury would have been affected by the fall. > It > >seemed to be more of a result of being pinned than anything else. > > The only way I can see preventing or limiting bruising is with some sort > of > solid armor plate, like a medieval knight, perhaps made of something > like > Kydex. You have to spread the impact over as much area as possible. I > doubt many would be willing to wear all that just to prevent some > bruises. :^) > Which is what I said before. Risk management. She's new on her bike. I'm sorta new on mine. Lots of protection, on the sportbike probably for some time. > -- Mike B. > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 14:12:32 2003 Reply-To: wayne@XXXXXX From: "wayne@XXXXXX" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:12:06 -0400 I went from 17/40 on my 'Busa to 16/40, for increased acceleration. It also moves the rear wheel back slightly, for an increase in the wheelbase (helps keep the front wheel down). Some of the turbo 'Busa guys swap to 18, 19 and sometimes 20 tooth front sprockets for increased top end (240+mph). I think you'll be fine going up 1 tooth up front. Depending on the condition of your stock chain, you should be able to just swap in the new front. Mike - I think you're backwards on the rear, you'd want to go down in size out back to do the same as going up in front. I may be out of my mind, though. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ Original Message: ----------------- From: Troutman mike@XXXXXX At 12:42 PM 10/14/2003, Fish Flowers wrote: >What would happen if I put on a front sprocket with an extra tooth? I've >been led to believe that would increase my top speed. Would it also mean >fewer revs at a given speed? How would it affect gas mileage, given the >constant-cruising-speed type of riding I do so much of? Most people do the opposite and drop a tooth in front or rear because they don't need the top end. When I dropped a tooth up front, I got a shorter shift pattern, ran a higher rev at cruising speed and increased my torque (feel) and acceleration. I would guess the opposite effects would hold true for you. Upping two teeth in the rear is about the same as upping one in the front, all things being equal. Consider going up one tooth in the rear to start. Advice is to replace all sprockets and chain at the same time depending on wear and mileage. If the other components are only 5000 miles old, just swap in the new rear sprocket and roll. Changing more than one tooth in the front or two in the rear may mean a new chain to size it correctly. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 14:24:21 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:24:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Yeah - I was backwards in the rear. I made the change many moons ago. Still on stock rear sprocket with 38k, second chain, and front sprocket since 15k. Wear looks great. All I use is WD-40. At 02:12 PM 10/14/2003, you wrote: >Mike - I think you're backwards on the rear, you'd want to go down in size >out back to do the same as going up in front. I may be out of my mind, >though. :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 14:29:43 2003 Reply-To: wayne@XXXXXX From: "wayne@XXXXXX" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:29:31 -0400 > Yeah - I was backwards in the rear. I made the change many moons > ago. Still on stock rear sprocket with 38k, second chain, and front > sprocket since 15k. Wear looks great. All I use is WD-40. > > Is it synthetic WD-40? :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 14:49:02 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:49:08 -0500 I use Bel Ray chain lube. It's a pretty orange. Costs less than WD40 too. Rob -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:24:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. > Yeah - I was backwards in the rear. I made the change many moons > ago. Still on stock rear sprocket with 38k, second chain, and front > sprocket since 15k. Wear looks great. All I use is WD-40. > > > > At 02:12 PM 10/14/2003, you wrote: > >Mike - I think you're backwards on the rear, you'd want to go down in size > >out back to do the same as going up in front. I may be out of my mind, > >though. :-) > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org ------- End of Original Message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 16:31:17 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:30:09 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Mike Bartman CC: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Short Note Mike Bartman wrote: > Sounds pretty well protected. I guess the scrapes were through the jeans? > I once fell on my 10 speed and ripped a 2" diameter patch of skin off of my > shoulder, without tearing the shirt that was over it. Just scuffed it a > little. Weird stuff. Not weird - it's called impact abrasion. I reckon you hit the ground and the gaarmewnt you're wearing is driven into your skin, then slides a bit and rips you a bare patch. Had it happen a buncha times falling off pedal bikes and scoots. My only observation is that layers help. Methinks the various layers do some slipping against each other and save *some* skin damage. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 17:22:35 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:21:25 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Rob Sharp CC: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. I lube mine with air! It's clear and FREE! Pushing 38K miles and I've never had to adjust my final drive. Belts rule! Rob Sharp wrote: > I use Bel Ray chain lube. It's a pretty orange. Costs less than WD40 too. > > Rob > > -- > Rob Sharp > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > Network Security Engineer > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: Troutman > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:24:16 -0400 > Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. > > > Yeah - I was backwards in the rear. I made the change many moons > > ago. Still on stock rear sprocket with 38k, second chain, and front > > sprocket since 15k. Wear looks great. All I use is WD-40. > > > > > > > > At 02:12 PM 10/14/2003, you wrote: > > >Mike - I think you're backwards on the rear, you'd want to go down in size > > >out back to do the same as going up in front. I may be out of my mind, > > >though. :-) > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > > NMA http://www.motorists.org > ------- End of Original Message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 18:21:15 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:20:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. To: DC-Cycles fyi: someone recently told me to keep the combo total as an ODD number so the teeth are not impacting the links identically each time around. can't vouch for this, but it sounds right. --- Rob Sharp wrote: > Another note: > > 89-01 GS500 > > Front: 16 > Rear: 39 > Chain: 520-110 > > Looks like you can go up a LOT in the rear. ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 18:31:13 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:31:55 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec796aec76a69770514d44d9262048184cf9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Bill slurred: > I lube mine with air! It's clear and FREE! Pushing 38K miles and I've never had > to adjust my final drive. Belts rule! [Dave] You mean to say you have no (sprocket) TEETH ! ? ;-) > > Rob Sharp wrote: > > > I use Bel Ray chain lube. It's a pretty orange. Costs less than WD40 too. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 18:35:42 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: moto slang Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:36:28 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c4a4036f11886fbd38bcd1d670cc1d4e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Was she wearing leathers? [Dave] A simple question. When wearing a full leather protective suit, it is often referred to as above. Aerostich suits are made of "cordura nylon"... Are 'Stich wearers to be referred to as "Wearing full nylons" ? :-O From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 19:49:52 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:49:43 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Tom Gimer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Tom Gimer wrote: > > fyi: someone recently told me to keep the combo total as an > ODD number so the teeth are not impacting the links > identically each time around. can't vouch for this, but it > sounds right. Ok, I'll be the first to admit I know nothing about chains (because they SUCK!!!!) but wouldn't that only be true if you had an even number of links in the chain? :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 19:53:54 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:53:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC-Cycles good point, dale (and i believe this also factored into the advice i received). let's hear from roach or penguinbiker or some other knowledgeable source on this. --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > fyi: someone recently told me to keep the combo total > as an > > ODD number so the teeth are not impacting the links > > identically each time around. can't vouch for this, > but it > > sounds right. > > Ok, I'll be the first to admit I know nothing > about chains (because they SUCK!!!!) but wouldn't > that only be true if you had an even number of links > in the chain? > > and plants kiss on shaft drive.> :) ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 20:03:15 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:02:57 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I ain't Roach and I ain't PenguinBiker but I'll pipe up anyway. Spend $100 on a Scott Oiler and you'll get FAR, FAR more chain life than if you worry about chain-teeth minutia. And any way the ratio of drive to driven is never 1:1 so who cares? Go easy on the throttle and it'll last a long time too. I'm at 20K on a STOCK chain no less. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 20:06:00 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:05:53 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Short Note To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Not weird - it's called impact abrasion. Amen. I got 8 inch scar and a zillion stiches not to mention a drain-tube put in because of impact abrasion THRU my moto jacket and despite ARMOR. The jacket was scraped up, true but not a single hole. I lost flesh clear to the bone. Pity the pictures didn't come out or it'd make a believer out of anyone. ===== * Love, not time, heals all wounds. * No one is perfect until you fall in love with them. And then when they aren't perfect anymore, love makes them perfect again. * Everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it * You can not forgive unless you first love. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 20:41:04 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:40:56 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Getting on the Track To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX And take it from a really-slow guy on the track that it's VERY helpful to yourself and others to have a predictable line or at least not be prone to too many bone-headed moves when scrapping out there on the asphault. I've been passed inside and out (a couple times simultaneously), with mere inches to spare in corners I thought I had free and clear during CCS races. And I've had to bit my tongue a few times when I've had to shadow a rider who despite it being several laps into a race can not be pridicted to hold any line whatsoever and whom I can't simply pass at will with my overwhelming horsepower (snort). To be fair I'm sure I've surprised an overtaker or two by taking that American Supercamp style line where they're probably more accustomed to deep braking into a corner. And yes I run in the intermediates as well even though I'm eligible for open-class. Mostly for self-preservation actually. I can't compete with 100HP bikes going 160mph. I might as well be stopped. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 20:41:58 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:41:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Short Note To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Did the armor gouge you to do that much damage? My leather jacket has about given up the ghost and I'm getting ready to replace, probably with textile this time (just to be really annoying :-) Carl --- matthew patton wrote: > > Not weird - it's called impact abrasion. > > Amen. I got 8 inch scar and a zillion stiches not to mention a > drain-tube put in because of impact abrasion THRU my moto jacket and > despite ARMOR. The jacket was scraped up, true but not a single hole. I > lost flesh clear to the bone. Pity the pictures didn't come out or it'd > make a believer out of anyone. > > ===== > * Love, not time, heals all wounds. > > * No one is perfect until you fall in love with them. And then when they > aren't perfect anymore, love makes them perfect again. > > * Everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all the happiness > and growth occurs while you're climbing it > > * You can not forgive unless you first love. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 20:46:43 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:02:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, matthew patton wrote: > I ain't Roach and I ain't PenguinBiker but I'll pipe up anyway. Spend > $100 on a Scott Oiler and you'll get FAR, FAR more chain life than if > you worry about chain-teeth minutia. And any way the ratio of drive to > driven is never 1:1 so who cares? Go easy on the throttle and it'll > last a long time too. I'm at 20K on a STOCK chain no less. No matter the maintenance schedule, HP/TQ and the way you use that power plays at least as big a part as properly cleaning, lubing and adjusting your chain. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 20:50:28 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:50:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Rob Sharp wrote: > Check out Vortex Racing. They make an array of stuff including > sprokets. I > did a look up on your model and you can get read from 39 teeth up to 50 > teeth. The GSXR go from 42 to 52 rear and 14 to 17 front. I guess you'd have to build a chain. > I dunno if those sizes are ones that FIT your bike or suggested sizes by > Vortex. If you have access to a GS500 list on the net, I would suggest > you > ask there. I am sure there is a couple people who have messed around > with > this stuff. > > URL(requires IE to work): > http://www.vortexracing.com/work/sprockets_products.htm > Worked for me and I'm using Opera on XP and Mozilla on Mandrake (just a point of data). > Carl > -- > Rob Sharp > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > Network Security Engineer > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: Fish Flowers > To: DC-Cycles > Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:32:50 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. > > > On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Rob Sharp wrote: > > > > > For Fish: What kind of bike are we talking about and do you know > your > > > sprocket sizes? > > > > Suzuki GS500E. I believe the front has 16 teeth; dunno about the rear > > -- I have a set of stock sprockets sitting on my desk at home (it's > > getting time to change my chain, which is why I've been thinking > > about this), I can check later. > > > > Fish. > ------- End of Original Message ------- > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 20:54:25 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:53:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: moto slang To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Dave Yates wrote: > Was she wearing leathers? > > [Dave] A simple question. When wearing a full leather protective suit, > it > is often referred to as above. Aerostich suits are made of "cordura > nylon"... Are 'Stich wearers to be referred to as "Wearing > full > nylons" ? :-O > Actually I associated "'stich" as equivalent to full leathers. Pretty much it seems that sport bikers wear either full suits or flip-flops and shorts. (sets bait and waits patiently) Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 21:00:57 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:00:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. I got 22k out of my stock chain without the expense of a Scott Oiler ;-) At 08:02 PM 10/14/2003, you wrote: >'m at 20K on a STOCK chain no less. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 21:14:29 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:14:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Winchester Ride Report (long) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ah, another ride report. This time there is a bit of a difference and a first for Rita. The first difference is that Rita planned this trip entirely. She even had the maps. The plan was to head up to Pennsylvania and see the Corn Maze. We were also going to York to see the Harley fabrication plant and on up to Hamburg. On Friday, Rita paged me at class and said that if I got out early, we could head up to Pennsylvania Friday instead of Saturday. Fortunately, classes typically end early on the last day and this one ended at noon, so I hopped on the bike and headed home. Oh, this past week I've been driving the Suzuki to class in Herndon. The ride from Dale City to Herndon has been a nightmare. Upwards of 2 hours in stop and go traffic. Thursday and Friday I got the ride home to an hour by going south around Manassas. Rita has already packed her stuff up on her bike. I emptied my tail bag and put the rest of the stuff into it. I put my tennis shoes and Rita's chaps into my tank bag, mainly to give me some support. Riding with Rita is an endurance test since the Suzuki is made for speed. Riding it at 4k to 5k RPMs when red line is at 13k RPMs can be a task but my Harley's in the shop waiting on a part. So by 1:30 we're out the door. Rita's on her Honda VLX and I'm on the Suzuki GSXR. I want to boogie since it's kinda early. Hopefully we'll miss some, if not all of the traffic out of town. There were no problems until we got to the light before Rt 50. All week they've been tearing up that stretch of road and I know Rita's not happy riding on it, so at the light, I tell Rita to hit the right lane. The left two lanes have been ripped up and the right's been ok. Unfortunately they've finished paving the left two lanes and have ripped up the right lane. Ah well. Fortunately Rita seems to have handled the ride without panicing. So we continued on until we got past Old Ox Road when traffic started backing up. We're sitting there and I commented to Rita that we could just stop and eat, waiting on traffic but we miss the last turn so we just kept going. In a few minutes, we notice an SUV pull past us on the shoulder and stop. A quick look and I see the cop that had pulled him over. Rita went "*woo hoo*" and the cop smiled as he got out. I thanked him as he commented that he would at least take care of this scofflaw. Now we're watching the two in the car in front of us. When the driver drops a butt, I put my foot on it as we went by, putting it out. A minute or so later, the passenger drops his butt and Rita puts it out with her foot. I smiled since she didn't see me put out the first one. We make the left turn onto Rt 7, still in a bit of a backup. We finally get up to the right turn onto 15 and we're off. In a minute I see the sign for "WHITE FERRY", presumably White's Ferry. The day is gorgeous and the scenery is very nice. Traffic is moving nicely. It's getting a little late and I haven't had anything to eat since breakfast. We cross over the Potomac and I make a right at Point of Rocks. A brief stop on the side of the road and we decide to hit the MARC lot just ahead. We stopped and walked around, resting up and grabbing a snack. Rita ran down to the station on her bike to see if it had a bathroom but no such luck. "It's boarded up," she says. We discussed if we wanted to follow 28 south to hit White's Ferry, a stop she wanted to make or continue on Rt 15 north. We finally decided to continue on Rt 15. We packed up and headed to the exit. I watched traffic and made the left just as I saw a car crest the hill. I watched the mirror as Rita pulled out after me. Of course I had hit the gas so I pulled to the side to wait for her to catch up as I had done a couple of times before (like missing a light where I pulled over and waited for the light to change). After a moment I noticed traffic slowing down, then slowing down in both directions. At that point my heart starts beating faster and with a sense of urgency I U-turn and head back realizing that she's gone down. As I get to the spot, a large panel van has pulled out to pass and was heading straight for me. I slowed to let him go and then pulled into the short turn lane into the MARC station. Rita's leaning on the guardrail with a woman hovering over her and three guys are trying to pull her bike out from under the end of the guardrail. I see that Rita's ok and help the guys pull the bike up. They were on the left side so I went onto the right side, grabbed the right handlebar (and brake :-) and a piece of frame by the rear tire and pull it standing and half-way out before realizing and letting go of the brake. It's up and out at that point, "I've got it, I've got it. Thanks." Someone says to block traffic so I can roll the bike into the MARC lot. I realize that I should roll it into the MARC lot and proceeded to roll it across the street, parking it next to mine. I head back to Rita, taking off my helmet and checking her out. I don't remember if I thanked everyone or even anyone but I appreciate the help and a big thanks to all right now. Anyway, Rita says she's a little dizzy. After a moment we hobble off to the other side of the road. A quick check of her bike and I ride it into the lot. I went back and got mine and then the rest of the gear and check Rita out. She has a small scrape on her elbow and a bigger one on her knee. The boots seemed to have protected her foot just fine (nice scrapes though) just as the jacket protected her upper body. We spend about 30 minutes just making sure she's ok. I check over her bike. The windshield is pushed back. A little pull in the other direction and it *pops* back into place. Her left peg seems to have caught the most damage with her front fender pretty scraped up. There doesn't seem to be any other damage at all. After checking all the connections and the radiator, I put in the key and ride it around the parking lot. A quick left onto Rt 28 and then back into the lot. Her bike seems pretty sound. She sits on it and finds the mirror really out of whack. I pulled out the tools and straighted it all out. We talked for a few minutes, to make sure she's ok and ok with continuing. She seems to be up for it so off we go again. Most of the time, at intersections particularly, I'll tell her to go when _she's_ ready and I'll follow. There are times that I go ahead of her, not very many. This time I tell her to go and I'll follow. There's a bit of a backup at Rt 15, a semi making a left. We finally get close enough that we follow the other cars and drive up the shoulder to make the right turn. I'm amazed and happy that she feels up to continuing. I'm also checking every time we stop to see if she's ok. We get up to the 340 merge and pick up the pace. Since we're falling behind, we decided to hit Rt 70 up to Rt 75 at New Market. Weirdly enough, New Market and Mt. Airy are where I spent my last year at home. As we're travelling up Rt 75, we pass Fox Rest Court, which brings back memories. My brother and his friends were in the back of dad's pickup with me driving. We were up at the school and they'd picked some corn from the field. They were throwing it out the back door of the camper shell when they banged on the window. Speed up! There was someone chasing us! As we came over the hill, I make a sharp right into this contruction area, now Fox Rest Court. It turns out that him and his friends had thrown an ear of corn at a passing truck, destroying the turn signal, left fender and windshield. It also turns out that the guy must have got our description since the cops were waiting for us when we got home. Dad's insurance paid for the damage but we got a lecture. Anyway, a few miles down the road and there's Linganore on the right. When I went, it was Linganore Jr./Sr. High. We made a right and pulled into the parking lot. It looked like a game was going on. We stopped for a few minutes and then headed out since it was getting late. We continued on to Libertytown, still light out and becoming cool. As I'm heading down 75 through town, Rita's not behind me. I thought she'd stopped at the turnout and I turned around to see what's up. As I come around the turn, there she is coming in my direction. I pass and pull into the church parking lot to wait for her. A minute or so later she comes up and said her bike had stopped. Puzzled, I checked out her bike but it was running and I couldn't see any problems (leaks or anything). I checked the connections but it all seemed ok. We checked out the map and decided to turn back and head up Rt 31 instead of continuing on 75. I had to tell her though. Rt 31 was where my high school girlfriend used to live. We were going to pass her place. No biggie, I was curious though. So I'm scoping out the road, not even sure I'll recognize it when there it is, 8 or 10 rusting cars out front. I pulled over at the bottom of the hill and told Rita that there was the house. So. We continue on :-) About 5 minutes down the road, Rita's stopped again. I turned around and headed back. She's sitting on the side of the road trying to start her bike. It's trying but not catching. I check out all the connections again, check for leaks or anything and everything seems to be ok. "You got me, this problem's beyond me here." At that moment, I checked her odometer. 90 miles. Too soon to run out of gas, but what the heck. I flip her to reserve and have her try it again. After a few trys it kicks over. Out of gas. Must have been the congestion on the way here. We laugh and head out in search of a station. In New Windsor we find a 7/11 on the other side of town and fill up. 2.2 gallons for her, 2.7 for me. Now it's dark and really getting late. We continue on towards Westminster. As we get into town, we see a Best Western to the left. A right turn, loop around and a left into the shopping center just past it as I realize it's a convention/catering center and doesn't seem to be open. We stop. I went into Safeway to hit the bathroom and then check the phone book outside the store. I followed a kid out who then followed me to the phone. "Hey man, if I give you the money, would you buy me some Skoal?" "No". The pages in the phone book that had the motel listings were torn out. I went back to Rita who then went in to the bathroom. I tried calling Jasmine (her daughter) to check on motels but there was no answer. When Rita came out she had two things. She had spoken to Jasmine who was at the Cher concert and that her leg was more injured than she first thought. There was a giant knot on the inside part of her leg next to the shin and it was pretty big. Rita spoke to someone inside who mentioned a Boston Inn just up the road. A quick call and we were on our way. As we came down into the main street, I saw a Comfort Inn on the left. A quick right turn to tell Rita and we headed over to get a room. After getting a room, I pulled her bike into the back parking lot and took everything out of her saddlebags and my tank and tail bag up to the room (third floor). We checked out all of her injuries. Her elbow was going to have a nice bruise as will her shin. Her knee has a nice sized scrape and is probably the one that bothers her the most since walking causes it to hurt. She decides we need to go to dinner but isn't going to walk so she got on the back of the Suzuki (something she said she'd never do) and we headed out for dinner. When we got back, I went out to Giant and picked up some aspirin, a cold pack, an Ace bandage and a soda for me. We spent the rest of the night watching TV and checking out her injuries. The next morning we rolled out of the room at around 10am and headed up to Denny's for breakfast. We discussed the ride and decided that instead of continuing on, we'd pick a good route and head home. The rain forecast for Sunday in Pennsylvania was a big part of the decision but Rita's injuries were another. We checked out the maps and decided to hit 77 west to Hagerstown, making a left at Rt 11 on down towards Luray Caverns. Heading home from Rt 11. Of course, the first turn on Rt 31 and we missed 77 (it's marked Uniontown Road and not Rt 77). A quick peek at the map and I see that 75 north from New Windsor will also get us to Rt 77 so we keep going. We make the right onto 75 (found that :-) and then a quick right onto 84 north, a nice little swing up and down a hill. It's a nice little road that ends fairly quickly. I roll up to the stopsign at Uniontown (coasting next to a bicyclist). Still no sign for Rt 77 and it says Middleburg Road so I shrug and make the left turn. There's a real nice steep downhill and up that I speed down and then slow and watch Rita run down it. A bit down the road and we pass a scenic river, but no place to stop. There are some nice turns and even nicer canopied roads. As we approach Thurmont, I'm seeing more and more yard sales. Just about every house is having a yard sale. Entering Thurmont, I pull into a church parking lot with a bunch of other cars (and others parked on the street). They wanted 5 bucks to park so I waved that I was just turning around. One of the kids taking money yelled over to his dad to look at my bike. He must either want one or dad has one :-) I pull off and look at the map, just making sure. Rita pulls up and I point where we're going. She boogies up 550, still having trouble making u-turns. I u-turn and stop at the sign. After a moment I pull past the church parking lot again and stop on the side of the road waiting for Rita. She shows up and we head through downtown Thurmont. Turns out we hit right in the middle of the Catoctin Colorfest Arts and Crafts show. No wonder there were yard sales everywhere. There was a bunch of people walking around and the streets were packed up to the 550 turnoff. On the other side of Rt 50 there were a bunch of cars parked on the streets. Fortunately we headed into the Catoctin Mountain National Park Scenic Loop. It was a very nice ride with twisties and few people. We pulled into the park visitors center and took a break. After that we headed into Cunningham Falls State Park. Unfortunately there wasn't any information on distance to the falls at the gate and I didn't want to pay 5 bucks to find out Rita wouldn't be able to see it. So we turned around and went back to Rt 77. Since we were on Catoctin mountain, there was a nice little run down the other side. We headed down until we got to Rt 64, Smithsburg. It wasn't clear on the map so we continued on. When we got to Rt 60, we were definately not sure where we were at. I couldn't find out anywhere we would have hit 60 until we were actually in Hagerstown. So after a short right on 60, we turned around and headed south to Hagerstown. When we got to Hagerstown, I kept an eye out for Rt 40. Unfortunately there weren't any markings for 40 (and we missed Rt 11 south by just a couple of blocks), so we kept on going south. 60 turns into 65 (and we encounted more of the ground down roads, which Rita handled just fine) and eventually passed Rt 70 and made it to Rt 68. A quick right and in 10 minutes or so we found Rt 11 south. We crossed the Potomac at Williamsport and headed into West Virginia. It was still a rather nice ride. In Berkley County we passed a nice stone house on the left. I pointed it out to Rita and as we passed, we noticed a couple that looked rather hippy like, on the porch working (Berkley - hippy; get it? :-) At one point, we passed the Frederick Fairgrounds where a bunch of bikes were parked. One guy pulled in behind Rita. When we got to an 81 turn off, he pulled up, said "hi" and headed out to 81. He was on a nice looking orange custom. It was while we were heading south that I began to really experience pain in my arms from the riding style. Mainly in my shoulders but in my forearms a little as well. It was getting to the point where I was having to stop more often to take a break. So we ride through Winchester and make the left onto Rt 17. A few miles down the road and we pass 340 and a sign for Summit Point. Hey, now I know where it is :-) A couple of miles before the Paris turnoff, we stop again for a break. This time on the side of a turn-off on Rt 17. After a couple of minutes of stretching and poking at the map, Rita says that a truck has pulled up behind us. Turns out a couple of good samaritons stopped and asked if we needed a hand. They had been at the Fairgrounds for a chili cookoff and had their Hog member shirts on. We said thanks and that we were just taking a break. We waved as they left. We made the right turn on 17 and headed to 66 East. I stayed behind Rita, mainly because I didn't want everyone looking at me as blocking traffic. See, Rita isn't doing much faster than 55 in the right lane :-) At Rt 234 in Manassas we make a right. At the first light, I open up my bike and boogie on down. I slow down to let Rita catch up and we head to the left on Percell Road. A nice ride down to Dale Blvd and then home. A nice little 280 mile ride with lots of cool roads and interesting activities. Rita's bike seems to be ok but I'll take it in to the dealer; one for the 600 mile check-up and two to go over the bike making sure no hidden damage exists. Later, Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 21:20:23 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:20:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- matthew patton wrote: > I ain't Roach and I ain't PenguinBiker but I'll pipe up > anyway. Spend > $100 on a Scott Oiler and you'll get FAR, FAR more chain > life than if > you worry about chain-teeth minutia. And any way the > ratio of drive to > driven is never 1:1 so who cares? Go easy on the throttle > and it'll > last a long time too. I'm at 20K on a STOCK chain no > less. as long as he's changing everything, he might as well do it "right," whatever that turns out to be. i got 20k out of the stock chain on my 996. easy on the throttle? hmmm.... -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 21:26:10 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:21:27 -0400 To: "William J. Huson" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Short Note Cc: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 04:30 PM 10/14/03 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: >Mike Bartman wrote: > >> Sounds pretty well protected. I guess the scrapes were through the jeans? >> I once fell on my 10 speed and ripped a 2" diameter patch of skin off of my >> shoulder, without tearing the shirt that was over it. Just scuffed it a >> little. Weird stuff. > >Not weird - it's called impact abrasion. I reckon you hit the ground and the >gaarmewnt you're wearing is driven into your skin, then slides a bit and rips >you a bare patch. Sounds plausible, but I was just wearing a "Hang Ten" T-shirt (cotton), and I fell on the street (asphalt). The shirt was only slightly scuffed and my skin was missing at least one layer down. It probably works as you describe, but it's still weird that the shirt didn't tear or abrade away much at all compared to me. >My only observation is that layers help. Methinks the various layers do some >slipping against each other and save *some* skin damage. Sounds reasonable to me. I'd also guess that how slippery the material is will matter too, even with only one layer (silk vs. canvas for instance). A woven cotton shirt on asphalt wasn't slippery enough, if you want your first data point for the chart. :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 21:26:15 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:28:01 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec791f9670d23c1dfb6562dffbda98ea0816350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c >Go easy on the throttle and it'll > last a long time too. I'm at 20K on a STOCK chain no less. [Dave] BAH! lube it regularly and treat it like a borrowed mule. I've got more than 26k on the chain on my 1200+ cc zx11. Several drag strip runs, trips to WBGVA, Skyline, 211, etc.., and commuting duty. High speed, low speed, throttle wheelies and probably over 100 dyno runs. Ok, it's not stock, but it's just an off the shelf DID x ring, which I lube after rain or every other fill up. Take care of the chain and even under severe use they'll last. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 21:30:03 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: moto slang Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:31:48 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec791764c409f45a324c7ef5ac5dfe2069a8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c I cast out a line... Are 'Stich wearers to be referred to as "Wearing full nylons" ? :-O One of the dozen or so Carls here tossed another line in... > Actually I associated "'stich" as equivalent to full leathers. Pretty much > it seems that sport bikers wear either full suits or flip-flops and > shorts. > > (sets bait and waits patiently) [Dave] This pond ain't big enough ! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 21:44:08 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:44:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Westminster report (short and pictures) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For pictures of the injuries, pop over to http://www.schelin.org/personal/boise/westminster/index.html The links are at the end of day one (about half way down; you'll see them). Later, Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 21:48:07 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:32:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Short Note To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 04:30 PM 10/14/03 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: > >Mike Bartman wrote: > > > Sounds plausible, but I was just wearing a "Hang Ten" T-shirt (cotton), > and I fell on the street (asphalt). The shirt was only slightly > scuffed and my skin was missing at least one layer down. It > probably works as you describe, but it's still weird that the > shirt didn't tear or abrade away much at all compared to me. > It sounds like whatever has the least tension with the next material is what abrades in a low speed fall (which is presumably the subject; since moderate to high speed would likely abrade the shirt as well). Asphalt/concrete has no give so next it's the shirt which has a higher tension than the skin when then gives way leaving a scrape. Of course, this is just me trying to understand. Feel free to correct :-) > Sounds reasonable to me. I'd also guess that how slippery the material > is will matter too, even with only one layer (silk vs. canvas for > instance). A woven cotton shirt on asphalt wasn't slippery enough, > if you want your first data point for the chart. :^) > Yea, what you said :-) > -- Mike B. > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 22:00:27 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:00:27 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Winchester Ride Report (long) At 06:14 PM 10/14/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: >After that we headed into >Cunningham Falls State Park. Unfortunately there wasn't any information >on distance to the falls at the gate and I didn't want to pay 5 bucks to >find out Rita wouldn't be able to see it. It's about 1.4 miles of fairly easy trail to get from the parking lot to the falls. There are some steep sections, but they are short, and there are downhills to let you catch your breath after each one (if you are as out of shape as I am :^). The trails are easy for the most part, but you might want proper shoes for some of the rocky spots...nothing major, but could be slippery with the wrong soles. My trail shoes handled it like they were glued to the things. It was one of my first hikes last year, and I made it without much trouble...but I didn't have a scraped up knee, banged up shin and hadn't been riding for two days either. You probably made a good decision. Go back another time when she's all healed up. >encounted more of the ground down roads, which Rita handled just fine) and Shady Grove Road has a big section like that at the moment, as does Powdermill Road in Beltsville. Hit both of them on rides last weekend. Other than some slight shimmying in the rear, my new bike handled it like the rest of the road. I'd been wondering how it would do, and now I know! Glad Rita didn't have any more trouble with it than I did...she'd had enough excitement for one trip! :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 22:05:57 2003 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:05:01 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Westminster report (short and pictures) At 06:44 PM 10/14/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: >For pictures of the injuries, pop over to >http://www.schelin.org/personal/boise/westminster/index.html > >The links are at the end of day one (about half way down; you'll see >them). Ouch! She has my sympathies, and hopes that those heal up quickly and as painlessly as possible. She's pretty tough to have kept going without complaints after that much damage! -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 22:20:01 2003 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:19:58 -0400 Your drive ratio is just that, a ratio (aka fraction). If you are 15/52 now, anything you do to change that ratio will do the same percent change for the rpm for a given speed. In other words, make the 15 a 16, then you'll drop the rpms at any speed by about 6.7%. Likewise, if you raise the 52 to a 53, you'll drop the rpm by about 1.9%. Works the same the other way, too, but you have to use the percent change formula and use the fractions themselves (e.g. 15/52 is .28846... in your calculator) for each value. Bike shops use a table that usually has all sorts of black fingerprints all over it. percent change = (final value - initial value)/initial value --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 14 22:44:16 2003 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:44:12 -0400 TG, I think what they really meant was that the ratio and the links shouldn't divide evenly (e.g. 15 on the front and 45 links long means that three rotations of the front sprocket gets you back to the identical same tooth/link combination...and each 15th link of the chain would always see the same tooth). Note that the above example 45 is odd. Works same for the rear...and if your being choosy, you might want to eliminate any numbers common factors, like 45 teeth on the rear and a 60 link chain...they'd line up the same every fourth revolution of the rear sprocket (three for the chain). Obviously, all the numbers were made up to make my math easy (yes, Bartman, I know that an internet search shows chains for sale with like 110 or 120 links, nothing as short as my oh-so-stupid example except for Honda 50s, so don't even think of replying to this post), but you get the idea. I don't know if it makes any difference, though. I 'spect BN would know. But I haven't heard of making chains using only a prime number of links ;-) Also, I think all chains are an even number of links so that the master link can link....but that takes the fun out of the discussion. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:20 PM Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. > fyi: someone recently told me to keep the combo total as an > ODD number so the teeth are not impacting the links > identically each time around. can't vouch for this, but it > sounds right. > > > > --- Rob Sharp wrote: > > Another note: > > > > 89-01 GS500 > > > > Front: 16 > > Rear: 39 > > Chain: 520-110 > > > > Looks like you can go up a LOT in the rear. > > > ===== > Thomas H. Gimer > MURPHY & GIMER, LLC > 7940A Wisconsin Avenue > Bethesda, MD 20814 > 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) > http://www.murphygimer.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 05:17:38 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:17:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Rain, Wind. After an _extremely_ exciting escape from DC last night in the torrential downpours, I see there's a Hazardous Wind Advisory for the DC area today. Gusts up to 50 mph, whee! Gosh, it's fun being a motorcyclist. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 06:08:32 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:08:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Westminster report (short and pictures) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 06:44 PM 10/14/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: > >For pictures of the injuries, pop over to > >http://www.schelin.org/personal/boise/westminster/index.html > > > >The links are at the end of day one (about half way down; you'll see > >them). > > Ouch! She has my sympathies, and hopes that those heal up quickly and > as > painlessly as possible. She's pretty tough to have kept going without > complaints after that much damage! > It actually looks worse that it is. As I said, she bruises easily. Last winter I received a very similar whack in almost the exact same place when her daughter accidentally kicked me with a ski boot on (we were horsing around in the snow; I pushed her back into a snow bank and her foot came up). Don't get me wrong, it's quite painful. Most of the bruise you see below the injury is the fluid from the bruise migrating between the cells to the foot. Take it from me. I went to the doctor last year when I saw it pooling around the bottom of my foot. > -- Mike B. > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 06:11:24 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:11:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Rain, Wind. To: DC-Cycles It was a great storm last night and a very nice ride in this morning. 50 mph eh? I'm doing at least 70 mph when I ride ;-) I didn't really notice the wind that much. Carl --- Fish Flowers wrote: > After an _extremely_ exciting escape from DC last night in the > torrential > downpours, I see there's a Hazardous Wind Advisory for the DC area > today. > Gusts up to 50 mph, whee! > > Gosh, it's fun being a motorcyclist. > > Fish. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 08:11:45 2003 Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Kevin_Hawkins@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:08:01 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ITXF2ALN09/InternetMail(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 10/15/2003 08:13:10 AM I had the ScottOiler, but decided to upgrade to the Hawke Oiler. Better product. http://www.hawkeoiler.com Kevin Hawkins kevin_hawkins@XXXXXX http://www.kevinhawk.com '93 Yamaha GTS1000 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Matthew Patton wrote... I ain't Roach and I ain't PenguinBiker but I'll pipe up anyway. Spend $100 on a Scott Oiler and you'll get FAR, FAR more chain life than if you worry about chain-teeth minutia. And any way the ratio of drive to driven is never 1:1 so who cares? Go easy on the throttle and it'll last a long time too. I'm at 20K on a STOCK chain no less. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 08:15:19 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:15:07 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: Dale Horstman CC: Tom Gimer , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Dale Horstman wrote: > Ok, I'll be the first to admit I know nothing > about chains (because they SUCK!!!!) but wouldn't > that only be true if you had an even number of links > in the chain? > > and plants kiss on shaft drive.> :) > > Hork maaaaannnn, I --SO-- don't want to hear about you kissin' shafts. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 08:25:56 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:25:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Skip Smith wrote: > Dale Horstman wrote: > > Ok, I'll be the first to admit I know nothing > > about chains (because they SUCK!!!!) but wouldn't > > that only be true if you had an even number of links > > in the chain? > > > > > and plants kiss on shaft drive.> :) > > > > Hork > > maaaaannnn, I --SO-- don't want to hear about you kissin' shafts. > DC|N>K *laughs* Thanks. > > --skip > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 08:28:59 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:25:37 -0400 From: Tom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. This (http://www.chainoiler.co.uk/) was even cheaper. Not fully automatic, but super simple install, then squeez and go. Loobs both sides of the chain -- $25!! Tom de '98 Kevin_Hawkins@XXXXXX wrote: > > >I had the ScottOiler, but decided to upgrade to the Hawke Oiler. Better >product. > >http://www.hawkeoiler.com > >Kevin Hawkins >kevin_hawkins@XXXXXX >http://www.kevinhawk.com >'93 Yamaha GTS1000 > > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >Matthew Patton wrote... > >I ain't Roach and I ain't PenguinBiker but I'll pipe up anyway. Spend >$100 on a Scott Oiler and you'll get FAR, FAR more chain life than if >you worry about chain-teeth minutia. And any way the ratio of drive to >driven is never 1:1 so who cares? Go easy on the throttle and it'll >last a long time too. I'm at 20K on a STOCK chain no less. > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 09:13:27 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:13:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Rain, Wind. To: DC-Cycles It was pretty gusty out near Leesburg this morning. I didn't have much problem once I got past about Reston though. I hope it won't get too much worse by this evening. Watch that lane positioning folks! Chris --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Hazardous Wind Advisory > for the DC area today. > Gusts up to 50 mph, whee! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 09:21:15 2003 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'dm_gsxr@XXXXXX'" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Short Note -to tell her something Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:25:10 -0400 Glad your honey is O.K. In response to Skip you offered: "When I'm with Rita, I want to share things on the road. Something I can do in a cage but not as well on the road (wild waving of arms notwithstanding). It's hard to tell her something while we're at a light and we have full faced helmets on." FRS: plug 'em into your helmet speakers. Later, add a ppt button on your grips for on-the-go chatting. Motocomm MC-551. MSRP is $60, but it is available for as low as $50 on various websites. It includes a button mic, speakers, a PTT button w/velcro straps, helmet quick disconnect, and a 2-prong plug to plug into portable CB's. Bought mine here: > Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 09:36:20 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Tom" , Subject: Auto-lubing, was Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:33:23 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" > This (http://www.chainoiler.co.uk/) was even cheaper. Not fully > automatic, but super simple install, then squeez and go. Loobs both > sides of the chain -- $25!! > > Tom de '98 > > Kevin_Hawkins@XXXXXX wrote: > > >I had the ScottOiler, but decided to upgrade to the Hawke Oiler. Better > >product. > > > >http://www.hawkeoiler.com > > > >Kevin Hawkins I bought a Loobman, but I thought it looked like a cheap POS that wouldn't hold up for months and months without maintenance. Sold that. $25 is kinda steep for some medical tubing, the little brush assembly and a squeeze bottle. I've had a ScottOiler for two summer "seasons" and it's worked pretty well. The Hawke oiler requires too much user intervention for my taste; i.e., you have to remember to hit the button on a regular basis. The ScottOiler is totally automatic, as it is activated by engine vacuum. One less thing I have worry about on a long tour. You shafties and belties can just keep your pie holes shut. ;-) As Matt says, the oiler has paid off in longer chain and sprocket life. I've got about 30k miles on this chain and it still looks great and is wearing very slowly. No kinks and has only been adjusted a few times. The original chain was done at 28k. Continuous oiling means no chain cleaning either. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 09:37:18 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:33:56 -0400 From: Tom To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Short Note -to tell her something Custer, Carl wrote: >FRS: plug 'em into your helmet speakers. > >Later, add a ppt button on your grips for on-the-go chatting. > >Motocomm MC-551. MSRP is $60, but it is available for as low as $50 on >various websites. It includes a button mic, speakers, a PTT button w/velcro >straps, helmet quick disconnect, and a 2-prong plug to plug into portable >CB's. >Bought mine here: > > > > And try these instead of the typical mic... http://www.clearercom.com/index.htm tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 09:54:49 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:51:26 -0400 From: Tom Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Auto-lubing, was Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Paul Wilson wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tom" > > > > >I bought a Loobman, but I thought it looked like a cheap POS that wouldn't >hold up for months and months without maintenance. Sold that. $25 is kinda >steep for some medical tubing, the little brush assembly and a squeeze >bottle. > > > Well true, but... >I've had a ScottOiler for two summer "seasons" and it's worked pretty well. >The Hawke oiler requires too much user intervention for my taste; i.e., you >have to remember to hit the button on a regular basis. The ScottOiler is >totally automatic, as it is activated by engine vacuum. > tearing appart the bike wasn't something I wanted to do. and I have heard more than one complain about the vacuum not working/being enough. Plus I'm a cheap bastard, $100-120 is too much for that. Remember? Just squeeze. Hell if the VTR had come with a center stand I would just clean/lube the damned chain. >One less thing I >have worry about on a long tour. You shafties and belties can just keep >your pie holes shut. ;-) > > Umm... When I win the lottery I'll make inexpensive chain2shaft conversion kits... Ofcourse they'll be High-performance - you'll only lose 1-2hp ;) >As Matt says, the oiler has paid off in longer chain and sprocket life. >I've got about 30k miles on this chain and it still looks great and is >wearing very slowly. No kinks and has only been adjusted a few times. The >original chain was done at 28k. Continuous oiling means no chain cleaning >either. > > I've only got 5k on it, so who knows... >Paul in DC >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > > Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 10:09:51 2003 Subject: Re: Auto-lubing, was Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Kevin_Hawkins@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:06:07 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ITXF2ALN09/InternetMail(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 10/15/2003 10:11:16 AM Yep, it's simply a matter of preference. I like having control over how much lube is applied and when. I just hit the button 3-4 times when I'm pulling into the parking lot at work, or when coasting into the garage at home. Much less splatter than having the ScottOiler do it at 60+MPH. Both work........... Kevin Hawkins kevin_hawkins@XXXXXX http://www.kevinhawk.com '93 Yamaha GTS1000 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The Hawke oiler requires too much user intervention for my taste; i.e., you have to remember to hit the button on a regular basis. The ScottOiler is totally automatic, as it is activated by engine vacuum. One less thing I have worry about on a long tour. You shafties and belties can just keep your pie holes shut. ;-) As Matt says, the oiler has paid off in longer chain and sprocket life. I've got about 30k miles on this chain and it still looks great and is wearing very slowly. No kinks and has only been adjusted a few times. The original chain was done at 28k. Continuous oiling means no chain cleaning either. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 10:26:33 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:26:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Short Note -to tell her something To: "'DCCycles'" --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > Glad your honey is O.K. > > In response to Skip you offered: > "When I'm with Rita, I want to share things on the road. Something I can > do > in a cage but not as well on the road (wild waving of arms > notwithstanding). > It's hard to tell her something while we're at a light and we have full > faced helmets on." > > FRS: plug 'em into your helmet speakers. > Yep. That's what I'm looking at right now. I have the Autocomm system for my helmets and except for the ear pieces (too damn big+sensitive ears), they work real well. I'm considering replacing them with something flatter. Any suggestions? > Later, add a ppt button on your grips for on-the-go chatting. > > Motocomm MC-551. MSRP is $60, but it is available for as low as $50 on > various websites. It includes a button mic, speakers, a PTT button > w/velcro > straps, helmet quick disconnect, and a 2-prong plug to plug into > portable > CB's. > Bought mine here: > > > > Carl in Bethesda > Thanks. I'll pass that along. She's not as interested in the gadgets so this might work for her. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 11:38:50 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:38:52 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Westminster report (short and pictures) At 03:08 AM 10/15/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: >It actually looks worse that it is. As I said, she bruises easily. Last Some folks bruise easily due to genetics, but it can also be affected by vitamin intake according to an easily bruised RN I used to know from Aikido (and some web pages I checked out to confirm it). Vitamin C supposedly makes the blood vessel walls stronger, and Vitamin K shortens clotting time...both things tend to reduce the tendency to bruise and to limit the size of bruises. A little info here on that: http://www.dietitian.com/vitaminc.html There's more, including some hints about a few medical conditions that can contribute to easy bruising, here: http://www.mycustompak.com/healthNotes/Concern/Bruising.htm -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 12:41:45 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:33:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Westminster report (short and pictures) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 03:08 AM 10/15/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >It actually looks worse that it is. As I said, she bruises easily. Last > > Some folks bruise easily due to genetics, but it can also be affected by > vitamin intake according to an easily bruised RN I used to know from > Aikido > (and some web pages I checked out to confirm it). Vitamin C supposedly > makes the blood vessel walls stronger, and Vitamin K shortens clotting > time...both things tend to reduce the tendency to bruise and to limit > the > size of bruises. A little info here on that: > It's probably more genetics. Her sister and mother also bruise easily. Rita's also very health concious and has me taking a handful of vitamins whenever I think about it. > http://www.dietitian.com/vitaminc.html > > There's more, including some hints about a few medical conditions that > can > contribute to easy bruising, here: > > http://www.mycustompak.com/healthNotes/Concern/Bruising.htm > I'll pass it along, thanks. > -- Mike B. > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 13:19:38 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:19:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. To: Tom , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Since we're doing cheap. Oil can with pump $4.95 10 feet of tubing $2.50 A y-connector for the tubing $0.39 in plastic about twice than in brass. Restrictor for the end of the tubing (it's in the hardware store in the gardening supplies (keeps the tube from putting too much water on plants) $.99 A pack of zip ties $1.99 You'll also need a piece of wire (about the thickness and consistency of a coat hanger to make the end of the tube stay on the rear sprocket. Use the restrictor, about a foot of the tubing, the wire and a few zip ties to make the part that drips oil on the rear sprocket. Put the Y-connector on the upstream end of the tube and run two lines up to where you plan to mount the oil can to the bike. I put mine inside the topcase so it would be easy to get to. Connect one of the tubes to the oilcan spout, leave the other open but secured outside the topcase. When you pump oil into the tube, you want it to go down to the Y and then back up the second tube. While you ride, both tubes will drain through the restrictor onto the sprocket. If you've got any of this stuff lying around, you should be able to build it for less than $10. Leon. - starting to worry about the reason Horkster asked me to share a motel room this weekend. --- Tom wrote: > This (http://www.chainoiler.co.uk/) was even > cheaper. Not fully > automatic, but super simple install, then squeez and > go. Loobs both > sides of the chain -- $25!! > > Tom de '98 > > > Kevin_Hawkins@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > >I had the ScottOiler, but decided to upgrade to the > Hawke Oiler. Better > >product. > > > >http://www.hawkeoiler.com > > > >Kevin Hawkins > >kevin_hawkins@XXXXXX > >http://www.kevinhawk.com > >'93 Yamaha GTS1000 > > > > > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > >Matthew Patton wrote... > > > >I ain't Roach and I ain't PenguinBiker but I'll > pipe up anyway. Spend > >$100 on a Scott Oiler and you'll get FAR, FAR more > chain life than if > >you worry about chain-teeth minutia. And any way > the ratio of drive to > >driven is never 1:1 so who cares? Go easy on the > throttle and it'll > >last a long time too. I'm at 20K on a STOCK chain > no less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 14:06:01 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:05:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Paging Bartman Any relation? http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cubfan1.html ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org All that is now All that is gone All that's to come and everything under the sun is in tune but the sun is eclipsed by the moon. The lunatic is on the grass. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 14:15:27 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:15:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Paging Bartman On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Troutman wrote: > Any relation? See also http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/fan15.html ... Fish. white sox fan, couldn't care less From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 14:28:30 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:25:05 -0400 From: Tom To: Leon Begeman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Leon Begeman wrote: >Since we're doing cheap. >Oil can with pump $4.95 >10 feet of tubing $2.50 >A y-connector for the tubing $0.39 in plastic about >twice than in brass. >Restrictor for the end of the tubing (it's in the >hardware store in the gardening supplies (keeps the >tube from putting too much water on plants) $.99 >A pack of zip ties $1.99 >You'll also need a piece of wire (about the thickness >and consistency of a coat hanger to make the end of >the tube stay on the rear sprocket. > >Use the restrictor, about a foot of the tubing, the >wire and a few zip ties to make the part that drips >oil on the rear sprocket. Put the Y-connector on the >upstream end of the tube and run two lines up to where >you plan to mount the oil can to the bike. I put mine >inside the topcase so it would be easy to get to. >Connect one of the tubes to the oilcan spout, leave >the other open but secured outside the topcase. When >you pump oil into the tube, you want it to go down to >the Y and then back up the second tube. While you >ride, both tubes will drain through the restrictor >onto the sprocket. > >If you've got any of this stuff lying around, you >should be able to build it for less than $10. > > Whoa! Ok, Maybe somewhat cheap, somewhat easy. I try and keep a good ratio of work/expense. And the above required thinking. Tom de '98 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 14:44:21 2003 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:48:17 -0400 Fish Flowers furnished facts: "Suzuki GS500E. I believe the front has 16 teeth; dunno about the rear -- I have a set of stock sprockets sitting on my desk at home (it's getting time to change my chain, which is why I've been thinking about this), I can check later. Fish." FWIW, my GS 450 (Pappy of yer 500) had a 16 stock front. When I changed chain and sprockets ~ 60,000 miles, I went to a 17 tooth front (no room for more IIRC) and it worked fine. Also IIRC, it required an additional link in the new chain (luckily bought locally at Meyers). I didn't notice much difference around town or on the road. Hmm, lessee 1/17 or 16/17 ~6% difference. A little less wear and a little less torque. Around town, if you pay attention to traffic light sequencing, then you don't need much torque. On the road, if you keep the liquid-exchange-stops short, you don't need much speed. Enjoy whatever you choose to do. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 14:58:28 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:58:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Paging Bartman To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! --- Troutman wrote: > Any relation? > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cubfan1.html > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > All that is now > All that is gone > All that's to come > and everything under the sun is in tune > but the sun is eclipsed by the moon. > > The lunatic is on the grass. > > > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 14:59:59 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:00:05 -0500 16 front 39 rear According to VortexRacing -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Sent: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:48:17 -0400 Subject: Extra Sprocket Tooth. > Fish Flowers furnished facts: > "Suzuki GS500E. I believe the front has 16 teeth; dunno about the > rear -- I have a set of stock sprockets sitting on my desk at home > (it's getting time to change my chain, which is why I've been > thinking about this), I can check later. Fish." > > FWIW, my GS 450 (Pappy of yer 500) had a 16 stock front. > > When I changed chain and sprockets ~ 60,000 miles, I went to a 17 tooth > front (no room for more IIRC) and it worked fine. > Also IIRC, it required an additional link in the new chain (luckily bought > locally at Meyers). > I didn't notice much difference around town or on the road. > Hmm, lessee 1/17 or 16/17 ~6% difference. A little less wear and a little > less torque. > > Around town, if you pay attention to traffic light sequencing, then you > don't need much torque. > On the road, if you keep the liquid-exchange-stops short, you don't need > much speed. > > Enjoy whatever you choose to do. > Carl in Bethesda ------- End of Original Message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 17:05:57 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:04:02 -0400 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Paging Bartman At 02:05 PM 10/15/03 -0400, Troutman wrote: >Any relation? >http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cubfan1.html Nope. My brother's name is Steve, but he's a lot older than that, and no more a baseball fan than I am. He also doesn't live in Chicago. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 17:10:42 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:10:49 -0400 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" At 02:48 PM 10/15/03 -0400, Custer, Carl wrote: >When I changed chain and sprockets ~ 60,000 miles, I went to a 17 tooth >front (no room for more IIRC) and it worked fine. If you change sprocket ratios on a bike with a speedometer that watches the transmission, as opposed to the front wheel or whatever, don't you need to recalibrate the speedo and odometer? Would failure to do that constitute fraud when you went to sell the bike? (at least if the actual mileage is higher than what the odo shows...I doubt anyone would be too upset if it was the other way :^). -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 17:30:38 2003 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Mike Bartman'" , "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:34:34 -0400 Mike Baited, "If you change sprocket ratios on a bike with a speedometer that watches the transmission, as opposed to the front wheel or whatever, don't you need to recalibrate the speedo and odometer?" CC: Yeah would be a Good Idea -- but -- that doesn't affect Fish or most other bikes. Frankly, few speedos can be calibrated . . . easily. A better idea is attach a $20 Sigma bike computer to get fairly accurate speed and mileage. MB: "Would failure to do that constitute fraud when you went to sell the bike? (at least if the actual mileage is higher than what the odo shows...I doubt anyone would be too upset if it was the other way :^)." CC: Ummm, there are many worse things to worry about than miles on a "previously cherished" bike. But, FWIW, I put another speedo on my '83 'Ceptor because the original stopped working. Put the new indicated mileage on the title and told the MD MVA clerk. She pulled out a rubber stamp "Odometer Discrepancy" (or something) whacked the title application, took my check and wished me a good day. So, it must happen frequently. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 17:40:26 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:56:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: Extra Sprocket Tooth. On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Custer, Carl wrote: > CC: Yeah would be a Good Idea -- but -- that doesn't affect Fish or most > other bikes. > Frankly, few speedos can be calibrated . . . easily. Yellow Box - http://www.blackrobotics.com/ > But, FWIW, I put another speedo on my '83 'Ceptor because the original > stopped working. Put the new indicated mileage on the title and told the MD > MVA clerk. She pulled out a rubber stamp "Odometer Discrepancy" (or > something) whacked the title application, took my check and wished me a good > day. So, it must happen frequently. Same experience here with cages. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 17:45:04 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:44:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Paging Bartman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX One doesn't have to page Mike. He's omnipresent. Hell, he's omni-omni. Although I suspect he stole the bottom line from Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler. 8;) -- Larry **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Omniphiles International * * omni@XXXXXX * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! **************************************************************************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 18:24:12 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:22:52 -0400 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" At 05:34 PM 10/15/03 -0400, Custer, Carl wrote: >Mike Baited, >"If you change sprocket ratios on a bike with a speedometer that watches the >transmission, as opposed to the front wheel or whatever, don't you need to >recalibrate the speedo and odometer?" > >CC: Yeah would be a Good Idea -- but -- that doesn't affect Fish or most >other bikes. >Frankly, few speedos can be calibrated . . . easily. Yeah, there was a discussion about that between a rider and a service tech at Battley's after the HOG ride last Saturday. The guy's speedo started reading about half what it should part way through the ride. The odometer seemed to be fine (based on comparisons of total ride distance with mine and some other bikes). Tech's guess was that he's got metal filings/debris on the sensor in the tranny that is screwing up the signal (recent Harleys use a magnetic pickup to count teeth on a gear in the tranny and send that to the electronic speedo for processing...very high tech! :^) Suggested pulling it and cleaning it, and if that didn't fix it, bring it in and they'd check the speedo itself. They have a tester that feeds various signals to the speedo to simulate running at different speeds. The tester knows what it is sending, and if the speedo doesn't show the same thing, it's off. They use it for calibrating the things, as well as diagnosing them when they die. Without that tester, and whatever it takes to tell the speedo to calculate differently, calibration could be pretty tricky. >A better idea is attach a $20 Sigma bike computer to get fairly accurate >speed and mileage. If you have a GPS, most will also provide that info along with the rest of what they show you. I found my Jeep was off about 5mph until I got slightly larger tires for it...now it reads as about 0.4 under. I'll see about the bike soon...the RAM mount showed up yesterday. :^) >MB: "Would failure to do that constitute fraud when you went to sell the >bike? (at least if the actual mileage is higher than what the odo shows...I >doubt anyone would be too upset if it was the other way :^)." > >CC: Ummm, there are many worse things to worry about than miles on a >"previously cherished" bike. As far as the bike goes, yeah. Legally? I know there's a spot on the transfer of title to list actual mileage, and I assume it's supposed to be accurate or they wouldn't ask. :^) If you buy a new speedo, the dealer can set it to your old one's mileage for you too. >But, FWIW, I put another speedo on my '83 'Ceptor because the original >stopped working. Put the new indicated mileage on the title and told the MD >MVA clerk. She pulled out a rubber stamp "Odometer Discrepancy" (or >something) whacked the title application, took my check and wished me a good >day. So, it must happen frequently. Yeah, almost anything is ok with the right rubber stamp on it. :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 18:28:10 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:28:13 -0400 To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Paging Bartman At 02:44 PM 10/15/03 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: >One doesn't have to page Mike. He's omnipresent. > >Hell, he's omni-omni. Although I suspect he stole the bottom >line from Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler. 8;) Who? Been using that sig for years, though I have some others I use occasionally. See below for one example. -- Mike B. "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose that freedom, and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose those too." -- Somerset Maugham From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 19:30:15 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Custer, Carl" , "'Mike Bartman'" , "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:30:23 -0500 I don't think any Honda speedometer can be calibrated. -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Mike Bartman'" , "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Sent: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:34:34 -0400 Subject: RE: Extra Sprocket Tooth. > Mike Baited, > "If you change sprocket ratios on a bike with a speedometer that > watches the transmission, as opposed to the front wheel or whatever, > don't you need to recalibrate the speedo and odometer?" > > CC: Yeah would be a Good Idea -- but -- that doesn't affect Fish or most > other bikes. > Frankly, few speedos can be calibrated . . . easily. > A better idea is attach a $20 Sigma bike computer to get fairly accurate > speed and mileage. > > MB: "Would failure to do that constitute fraud when you went to sell > the bike? (at least if the actual mileage is higher than what the > odo shows...I doubt anyone would be too upset if it was the other > way :^)." > > CC: Ummm, there are many worse things to worry about than miles on a > "previously cherished" bike. > But, FWIW, I put another speedo on my '83 'Ceptor because the > original stopped working. Put the new indicated mileage on the > title and told the MD MVA clerk. She pulled out a rubber stamp > "Odometer Discrepancy" (or something) whacked the title application, > took my check and wished me a good day. So, it must happen frequently. > > Carl in Bethesda ------- End of Original Message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 19:43:27 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:43:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Paging Bartman To: DC-Cycles --- Fish Flowers wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Troutman wrote: > > > Any relation? > > See also http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/fan15.html ... > > Fish. Carl > white sox fan, Motorcycle fan, > couldn't care less > Well, maybe I _could_ care a little less. It's interesting. I prefer the butthead bench coach (62) who rushed the mound and got a mouth full of dirt for his trouble. No no, wait. I couldn't care less. Yea :-) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 19:47:40 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:47:14 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Leon Begeman CC: Tom , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Leon Begeman wrote: > > When you pump oil into the tube, you want it to go down to > the Y and then back up the second tube. While you > ride, both tubes will drain through the restrictor > onto the sprocket. You don't bother oiling both sides of the sprocket? That sounded like a good idea on the Loobman site... -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 20:04:58 2003 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Short Note Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:03:12 -0400 matthew patton reminisced: Amen. I got 8 inch scar and a zillion stiches not to mention a drain-tube put in because of impact abrasion THRU my moto jacket and despite ARMOR. The jacket was scraped up, true but not a single hole. I lost flesh clear to the bone. Pity the pictures didn't come out or it'd make a believer out of anyone. *****I also and have ofttimes wondered why this doesn't receive more attention. While mine was not as serious as above, it resulted from an inside-a-'Stich seam grinding through a windbreaker near an elbow and puzzled me for the long time it took to heal. Definitely worth a prepurchase looksee at pertinent linings. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Well, just butter up before riding Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 23:09:35 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:09:43 -0400 To: "Mobacc" , "DC-Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Short Note At 08:03 PM 10/15/03 -0400, Mobacc wrote: >matthew patton reminisced: > >Amen. I got 8 inch scar and a zillion stiches not to mention a >drain-tube put in because of impact abrasion THRU my moto jacket and >despite ARMOR. The jacket was scraped up, true but not a single hole. I >lost flesh clear to the bone. Pity the pictures didn't come out or it'd >make a believer out of anyone. > >*****I also and have ofttimes wondered why this doesn't receive more >attention. While mine was not as serious as above, it resulted from an >inside-a-'Stich seam grinding through a windbreaker near an elbow and >puzzled me for the long time it took to heal. Definitely worth a >prepurchase looksee at pertinent linings. I wonder if the solution is slippery stuff next to the skin, or just a slippery layer somewhere between the skin and the outer shell? Hmmm...I wonder if anyone's done any research on this...outside of a manufacturer's secret lab? The only stuff I could find related to impact armor and to abrasion of the protective material, but not to the sort of "through the material abrasion" injuries we are talking about here. While looking for info on the above, I came across this item: http://popularmechanics.com/automotive/motor_cycles/2003/4/fast_finery/print .phtml The interesting part is this: ************ The Future Coming soon to a bike shop near you is what could best be described as an airbag for your body. It looks like a normal riding vest but when the rider is ejected from the motorcycle, the vest inflates instantly and cushions the fall. Currently, AirWear is the only company in the States offering a vest of this type. The company will soon offer an inflatable jacket. Dainese is planning to offer a similar vest in Europe later this year. If accepted by the cycling community, this airbag technology could be the new frontier in motorcycle safety equipment. ************ What will they think of next? -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 23:10:16 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:10:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Paging Bartman To: DC-Cycles --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Well, maybe I _could_ care a little less. It's interesting. > I prefer the > butthead bench coach (62) who rushed the mound and got a > mouth full of dirt for his trouble. In the interest of accuracy, he's 72, not 62; he didn't rush the mound, but went after the real butthead near the Red Sox dugout; and he's had a steel plate in his head for over 40 years, from his own near-fatal beaning. He *has* always been a little loopy, but I chalk that up to his starting out as a Dodger. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 23:12:26 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:12:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Paging Bartman To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > >Hell, he's omni-omni. Although I suspect he stole the > bottom > >line from Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler. 8;) > > Who? A recurring character in the Terry Pratchett Discworld novels. He'd fit in well in dc-cycles. Actually, come to think of it, a *lot* of Pratchett's characters would fit in well in dc-cycles. 8;) -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 15 23:27:29 2003 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:27:38 -0400 To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Paging Bartman At 08:12 PM 10/15/03 -0700, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > >> >Hell, he's omni-omni. Although I suspect he stole the >> bottom >> >line from Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler. 8;) >> >> Who? > >A recurring character in the Terry Pratchett Discworld >novels. Ok, thanks. I've had friends suggesting I read some of that stuff. >Actually, come to >think of it, a *lot* of Pratchett's characters would fit in >well in dc-cycles. 8;) I wonder if he rides? And where he lives? :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 00:54:43 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:54:32 EDT Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/14/2003 12:43:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > What would happen if I put on a front sprocket with an extra tooth? I've > been led to believe that would increase my top speed. Maybe, maybe not. Most Japanese bikes are already geared high, adding even more will not increase top speed. The simple test is to ride as fast as the bike will go (Of course this is incredibly stupid and you will surely die if you do it.) Does the bike stop accelerating because it hits the rev limiter or simply runs out of power? If it hits the rev limiter then raising the gearing will (likely) increase top speed. If it runs out of power first (without red lining) then you will likely _loose_ top speed by gearing up. > Would it also mean > fewer revs at a given speed? Yep, but it could put you below the useful part of the power band, forcing you to downshift in order to maintain speed, resulting in even more rpm. > How would it affect gas mileage, given the > constant-cruising-speed type of riding I do so much of? Slight at most. It takes X power to go Y speed all other factors being the same (bike rider etc.) You may wind up at a lower rpm. but have to open the throttle more. Loud pipes quell cells. 20-20 hindsight shows the future if you are not careful. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 06:28:57 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:28:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: OT Beaning (was: Re: Paging Bartman) To: DC-Cycles --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > > Well, maybe I _could_ care a little less. It's interesting. > > I prefer the > > butthead bench coach (62) who rushed the mound and got a > > mouth full of dirt for his trouble. > > In the interest of accuracy, he's 72, not 62; he didn't rush > the mound, but went after the real butthead near the Red Sox > dugout; and he's had a steel plate in his head for over 40 > years, from his own near-fatal beaning. > Such is the problem with not having enough information. From what I've seen in the news, NY beaned someone first and the Sox pitcher beaned someone in retaliation and then looked to the dugout, pointed to his head and indicated that he wasn't through. The pics I've seen are the 72 (thanks) year old guy running up to the guy intending on a full body tackle and the pitcher grabbing his head and pushing him to his right. I didn't know about the steel plate or how he got it. > He *has* always been a little loopy, but I chalk that up to > his starting out as a Dodger. > Um, ok. > -- Larry > Thanks, And a little more on topic, it looks like Rita's looking to going on Coleman's Fall Foliage ride on Saturday. _And_ on the injury, she had an appointment with the doctor yesterday and showed her the bruises. The fluid from the bruise has migrated down to her ankle and foot and looks gangrenish. The doc said that she should have put ice on it immediately. Of course we did, as soon as she realized it had been injured as bad as it was. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 07:04:04 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:02:49 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Mike Bartman CC: Mobacc , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Short Note Mike Bartman wrote: > The Future > Coming soon to a bike shop near you is what could best be described as an > airbag for your body. It looks like a normal riding vest but when the rider > is ejected from the motorcycle, the vest inflates instantly and cushions > the fall. Currently, AirWear is the only company in the States offering a > vest of this type. The company will soon offer an inflatable jacket. > Dainese is planning to offer a similar vest in Europe later this year. If > accepted by the cycling community, this airbag technology could be the new > frontier in motorcycle safety equipment. > ************ > > What will they think of next? > > -- Mike B. Well, lurking in the archives of the U. S. Patent library are several creations to protect a motorcycle rider. How about a wrap around roll cage? My, that's a stylish addition to your scoot. Air bags appears in several modes: on the bike, my fav (har har) being the one that poofs up a wall of air bag that surrounds the rider. And there's the AB vests and an AB full coverage suit that converts the riders studly shape into a porky Michelin Man/Pillsbury Doughboy profile when triggered. The absolute best idea -*snicker*- is the parachute that is launched from a backpack and pops open, yanking the rider off the crash imminent motorcycle and allowing aforementioned rider to float down on the carnage below. I wuz laughing to hard to check to see if the chute had steering control. That might prove handy if aforementioned carnage included a raging gasolene fire... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 08:10:37 2003 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Rob Sharp'" , "'Mike Bartman'" , "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:14:23 -0400 Rob Speculated: "I don't think any Honda speedometer can be calibrated." The speedo on my '83 'Ceptor could be by twisting the coil spring attached to the needle. I didn't try it because I figured it's be more trouble than it'd be worth. The Odometer wasn't amendable. $20 Sigma feeds me the info I need. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 08:14:19 2003 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Mike Bartman'" , "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:18:14 -0400 Mike bantered: "If you have a GPS, most will also provide that info along with the rest of what they show you. I found my Jeep was off about 5mph until I got slightly larger tires for it...now it reads as about 0.4 under. I'll see about the bike soon...the RAM mount showed up yesterday. :^)" Yup, GPS is great (& the Ram mount gets two snaps and a "gee whilikers") But for the parsimonious the Sigma cant be beat. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 09:15:27 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:15:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Paging Bartman (re: Don Zimmer's Head) From: Randy Moran To: DC Cycles In the interest of accuracy, and as much as every degenerate Yankee fan would love to perpetuate the myth, it should be noted that Don "Gerbil Face" Zimmer does NOT have a steel plate in his head. http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/ballplayers/Z/ Zimmer_Don.stm And he deserved to be tossed aside like a ragdoll, and he was lucky that's all that happened. They (Pedro and Clemens) go again tonight at Yankee Stadium for all the ALCS marbles. GO RED SOX! RPM P.S. I rode to work today. There! Moto Content! On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 11:10 PM, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > >> Well, maybe I _could_ care a little less. It's interesting. >> I prefer the >> butthead bench coach (62) who rushed the mound and got a >> mouth full of dirt for his trouble. > > In the interest of accuracy, he's 72, not 62; he didn't rush > the mound, but went after the real butthead near the Red Sox > dugout; and he's had a steel plate in his head for over 40 > years, from his own near-fatal beaning. > > He *has* always been a little loopy, but I chalk that up to > his starting out as a Dodger. > > -- Larry > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 09:43:36 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:43:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: OT Beaning (was: Re: Paging Bartman) To: Carl Schelin , DC-Cycles He does NOT have a steel plate in his head. Urban myth VERY DEPRESSED CUBS FAN HERE TODAY --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > > > > Well, maybe I _could_ care a little less. It's > interesting. > > > I prefer the > > > butthead bench coach (62) who rushed the mound > and got a > > > mouth full of dirt for his trouble. > > > > In the interest of accuracy, he's 72, not 62; he > didn't rush > > the mound, but went after the real butthead near > the Red Sox > > dugout; and he's had a steel plate in his head for > over 40 > > years, from his own near-fatal beaning. > > > > Such is the problem with not having enough > information. From what I've > seen in the news, NY beaned someone first and the > Sox pitcher beaned > someone in retaliation and then looked to the > dugout, pointed to his head > and indicated that he wasn't through. The pics I've > seen are the 72 > (thanks) year old guy running up to the guy > intending on a full body > tackle and the pitcher grabbing his head and pushing > him to his right. > > I didn't know about the steel plate or how he got > it. > > > He *has* always been a little loopy, but I chalk > that up to > > his starting out as a Dodger. > > > > Um, ok. > > > -- Larry > > > > Thanks, > > And a little more on topic, it looks like Rita's > looking to going on > Coleman's Fall Foliage ride on Saturday. > > _And_ on the injury, she had an appointment with the > doctor yesterday and > showed her the bruises. The fluid from the bruise > has migrated down to her > ankle and foot and looks gangrenish. The doc said > that she should have put > ice on it immediately. Of course we did, as soon as > she realized it had > been injured as bad as it was. > > Carl > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 09:53:01 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:52:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Riding in (was: Re: Paging Bartman (re: Don Zimmer's Head)) To: DC Cycles --- Randy Moran wrote: > > RPM > > P.S. I rode to work today. There! Moto Content! > It wasn't that bad. A little nippy at 5am. There was a biker on a yellow sportbike in the regular lanes and a cruiser was a couple of cars ahead when I got to the 14th street bridge. Oh, and there's a red mustang convertible taking four spaces in the bike lot. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 09:58:31 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:58:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Riding in On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > It wasn't that bad. A little nippy at 5am. I put on my new cold-weather gloves (Tour Master Polar-Tex, from New Enough) for the first time this morning. Glad I wore 'em, because I got pretty cold... and then noticed I'd left a vent zip open on my jacket. Oops. The gloves are nice, but really do give less feel than my summer gloves (single layer of leather). Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 10:05:31 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:01:56 -0400 From: Tom To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Riding in Fish Flowers wrote: >On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > >>It wasn't that bad. A little nippy at 5am. >> >> > > > And not that bad at 6am... >I put on my new cold-weather gloves (Tour Master Polar-Tex, from New >Enough) for the first time this morning. Glad I wore 'em, because I got >pretty cold... and then noticed I'd left a vent zip open on my jacket. >Oops. > > I'm waiting for the same gloves, from the same place. The old ski gloves with liners only lasted 20mins. I just kept thinking about the warmth of the 'lectric vest. I need pants tho... >The gloves are nice, but really do give less feel than my summer gloves >(single layer of leather). > >Fish. > > > Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 10:10:23 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:10:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Riding in To: DC-Cycles I have those gloves and they are excellent! --- Tom wrote: > Fish Flowers wrote: > > >On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > > > > > >>It wasn't that bad. A little nippy at 5am. > >> > >> > > > > > > > And not that bad at 6am... > > >I put on my new cold-weather gloves (Tour Master > Polar-Tex, from New > >Enough) for the first time this morning. Glad I > wore 'em, because I got > >pretty cold... and then noticed I'd left a vent zip > open on my jacket. > >Oops. > > > > > I'm waiting for the same gloves, from the same > place. The old ski > gloves with liners only lasted 20mins. I just kept > thinking about the > warmth of the 'lectric vest. I need pants tho... > > >The gloves are nice, but really do give less feel > than my summer gloves > >(single layer of leather). > > > >Fish. > > > > > > > Tom de '98 VTR > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 10:12:24 2003 Reply-To: wayne@XXXXXX From: "wayne@XXXXXX" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Gloves (was Re: Riding in) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:12:15 -0400 I have a set of Tourmaster gloves, too. They are warm and do offer less feel, but I worry about the protection they would afford in a 'get off'. Does any company offer warm weather gloves with good armor? I recently picked up a set of Held gloves for warm/mild weather use and I am very impressed with the quality. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ Original Message: ----------------- From: Tom tdeboeser@XXXXXX >I put on my new cold-weather gloves (Tour Master Polar-Tex, from New >Enough) for the first time this morning. Glad I wore 'em, because I got >pretty cold... and then noticed I'd left a vent zip open on my jacket. >Oops. I'm waiting for the same gloves, from the same place. The old ski gloves with liners only lasted 20mins. I just kept thinking about the warmth of the 'lectric vest. I need pants tho... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 10:18:59 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:18:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: wayne@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gloves (was Re: Riding in) On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, wayne@XXXXXX wrote: > I have a set of Tourmaster gloves, too. They are warm and do offer less > feel, but I worry about the protection they would afford in a 'get off'. > Does any company offer warm weather gloves with good armor? Do you mean cold weather gloves with good armor? I'm actually not too worried about the protection on the Polar-Tex glove. The leather in the palm actually seems thicker than the leather in my warm-season gloves, and the nylon is 500 and 1000-weight, and plenty thick. *shrug* I guess it's arguable. New Enough also carries some cold-weather gloves from Olympia, which are all-leather. You might want to check those out. The 4650 Ultima I model looks like it has the best protection, with a moderate amount of insulation. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 10:22:40 2003 Reply-To: wayne@XXXXXX From: "wayne@XXXXXX" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gloves (was Re: Riding in) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:22:32 -0400 Sorry, yes I meant 'cold weather gloves'. The gloves I normally wear have thick leather and hard armor on them. I haven't found a cold weather glove that matches the level of protection that you have in a 'race' or sport-riding glove. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ Original Message: ----------------- From: Fish Flowers fish@XXXXXX On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, wayne@XXXXXX wrote: > I have a set of Tourmaster gloves, too. They are warm and do offer less > feel, but I worry about the protection they would afford in a 'get off'. > Does any company offer warm weather gloves with good armor? Do you mean cold weather gloves with good armor? I'm actually not too worried about the protection on the Polar-Tex glove. The leather in the palm actually seems thicker than the leather in my warm-season gloves, and the nylon is 500 and 1000-weight, and plenty thick. *shrug* I guess it's arguable. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 10:24:08 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:24:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Riding in To: DC-Cycles --- Fish Flowers wrote: > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > It wasn't that bad. A little nippy at 5am. > > I put on my new cold-weather gloves (Tour Master Polar-Tex, from New > Enough) for the first time this morning. Glad I wore 'em, because I got > pretty cold... and then noticed I'd left a vent zip open on my jacket. > Oops. > My jacket has started losing teeth from the zipper, must be that halloween candy ;-) Anyway, with Rita's accident and my jacket, we're both looking at new gear. Coleman's had some interesting stuff but with two recommendations to review the armor we held off. We went down to East Coast to look at the Harley gear. The FXRG jacket is going for $550 and the next one down (which I kinda liked) was going for $450. Then when I got home I checked Flea-bay and then Aerostitch. It seems that ~500 isn't that off a price for heavy jackets that are motorcycle related. > The gloves are nice, but really do give less feel than my summer gloves > (single layer of leather). > I have electric gear with plugs on both bikes but until it gets to the lower 40's/upper 30's, I'll stick to leathers and long underwear :-) Hey, for anyone who rides water cooled bikes in the winter, are there any preps to make for winter? I have 50/50 coolent/water. > Fish. > (And "hey", I was trying to maintain a long subject line :-) Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 10:27:41 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:26:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Riding in To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Tom wrote: > Fish Flowers wrote: > > >On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > > > > > >>It wasn't that bad. A little nippy at 5am. > >> > >> > > > > > > > And not that bad at 6am... > > >I put on my new cold-weather gloves (Tour Master Polar-Tex, from New > >Enough) for the first time this morning. Glad I wore 'em, because I got > >pretty cold... and then noticed I'd left a vent zip open on my jacket. > >Oops. > > > > > I'm waiting for the same gloves, from the same place. The old ski > gloves with liners only lasted 20mins. I just kept thinking about the > warmth of the 'lectric vest. I need pants tho... > I used ski gloves two winters ago (17 degree lowest) and it was ok. Last year I had the electric gloves and jacket liner (8 degree lowest) and no windshield. Much better :-) > > > Tom de '98 VTR > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 10:28:52 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:26:08 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Gloves (was Re: Riding in) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >I have a set of Tourmaster gloves, too. They are warm and >do offer less feel, but I worry about the protection they >would afford in a 'get off'. Does any company offer warm >weather gloves with good armor? [Dave] 1st, I am a cold weather wimp, so bear these comments with that in mind. I bought Z Customer deer track gloves years back, and love them. MCN also liked them because they were inexpensive(relatively) and performed well in their impact and abrasion tests. They're very comfortable. I also wanted some more cool weather resistance ( note, not cold weather ). I bought some glove liners from Aerostich, Thermax or something? They work as intended... You do lose _some_ feel, but, I'd say they're worth about 7-10 degrees of extra riding tolerance for me. HTH ! Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 10:38:36 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:38:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Riding in On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > It seems that ~500 isn't that off a price for heavy jackets that are > motorcycle related. Dude, you can buy a Vanson for that kind of money. The Technical Hardcore is an attractive option. Big bad cruiser looks, good Vanson technical features (armor, vents, etc). That's what I'd buy if I ever ditched my current jacket. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 10:53:14 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:53:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Short Note To: "William J. Huson" Cc: DC-Cycles --- "William J. Huson" wrote: ...lots about moto patents. Bill, do you have patent numbers, or the US class where you found most of them? Thanks -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 10:57:18 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:56:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Riding in To: DC-Cycles --- Fish Flowers wrote: > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > It seems that ~500 isn't that off a price for heavy jackets that are > > motorcycle related. > > Dude, you can buy a Vanson for that kind of money. The Technical > Hardcore > is an attractive option. Big bad cruiser looks, good Vanson technical > features (armor, vents, etc). > That's the point though. I can just buy a leather jacket for a couple hundred (I got my last one for 80 at a pawn shop) or get a motorcycle one with vents and armor for 400 or so. Fortunately we just refinanced the house and don't have to pay a mortgage payment for September, thereby having a couple of bucks for major bike work and gear. > That's what I'd buy if I ever ditched my current jacket. > Well, not ditch, just worn out. It was old when I got it and certainly didn't get any newer while I was wearing it. I suspect the problem is due to riding position on the sportbike as compaired to the cruiser. > Fish. > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 10:58:52 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:55:17 -0400 From: Tom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gloves (was Re: Riding in) wayne@XXXXXX wrote: >I have a set of Tourmaster gloves, too. They are warm and do offer less >feel, but I worry about the protection they would afford in a 'get off'. >Does any company offer warm weather gloves with good armor? > > > I was looking between the Joe Rocket Harddrive and the polartec. It came down to price, the harddrive's are about $60, remember I'm cheap the toumasters were $45. Oh, and someone else posted the cordia is pretty thick. The Harddrive seems to have more "armor", but I could just be for looks too. >I recently picked up a set of Held gloves for warm/mild weather use and I >am very impressed with the quality. > > I've got those, love 'em, but pricey. I've also got a pair of Joe Rocket Phoenix gloves. Joe Rocket seems to offer pretty good stuff at a good price. Tom de '98 VTR. >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 10:59:55 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:59:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Riding in To: Mark Kitchell , DC-Cycles --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I have those gloves and they are excellent! > > > >I put on my new cold-weather gloves (Tour Master > > Polar-Tex, from New > > >Enough) for the first time this morning. > > I'm waiting for the same gloves, from the same > > place. Are they waterproof? Do they bleed black dye all over your hands when they get wet? -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:02:20 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:01:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Riding in To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , DC-Cycles They did not last year. --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I have those gloves and they are excellent! > > > > > >I put on my new cold-weather gloves (Tour > Master > > > Polar-Tex, from New > > > >Enough) for the first time this morning. > > > I'm waiting for the same gloves, from the same > > > place. > > Are they waterproof? Do they bleed black dye all > over your > hands when they get wet? > > -- Larry > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:02:44 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:01:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Riding in To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , DC-Cycles They did not last year. And they are pretty waterproof too. --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I have those gloves and they are excellent! > > > > > >I put on my new cold-weather gloves (Tour > Master > > > Polar-Tex, from New > > > >Enough) for the first time this morning. > > > I'm waiting for the same gloves, from the same > > > place. > > Are they waterproof? Do they bleed black dye all > over your > hands when they get wet? > > -- Larry > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:05:05 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:05:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Riding in On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > Are they waterproof? Do they bleed black dye all over your hands when > they get wet? Don't know, I was wearing my FirstGear Supertech gloves on Tuesday when I was playing "try not to die in DC in the rain", which are _definitely_ not waterproof, but remained reasonably warm. New Enough sez the Tour Master gloves are waterproof, but I haven't worn them in the rain yet. I could go dip my hands in the sink if you'd like. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:08:41 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:05:08 -0400 From: Tom To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Riding in pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: >--- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > >>I have those gloves and they are excellent! >> >> >> >>>>I put on my new cold-weather gloves (Tour Master >>>> >>>> >>>Polar-Tex, from New >>> >>> >>>>Enough) for the first time this morning. >>>> >>>> >>>I'm waiting for the same gloves, from the same >>>place. >>> >>> > >Are they waterproof? Do they bleed black dye all over your >hands when they get wet? > > Yes. Don't know. Tom de '98 >-- Larry > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:10:46 2003 From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!! Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:58:56 -0400 When selling a bike, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER ALLOW THE BUYER TO KEEP THE TAGS!!!! (This is true for cars and trailers too.) Many Many Many years ago I sold a car in New Yourk. I sent in the registration saying the car was sold, with the new owners address and name. After six month I started getting delinquent parking tickets notices from all over New York. The jerk drove my car for 6 months on my old tags, pileing up parking tickets all over the state. It was a total hassle!!! So what to do when buying a bike? I would borrow or rent a pickup or trailer to get the bike inspected and not ride it until it was properly registered under my own name. Or you can do what I did when I sold my last two bikes. I (as seller) rode it to the buyer's house and removed all tags (including Fairfax County tax sticker). My wife took me home. DHAllis@XXXXXX ----Original Message Follows---- From: dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 10/14/03 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:00:00 -0400 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX |_| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:37:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Steele Subject: Registering a bike in DC To: DC Cycles Let me see how completely I don't understand the process of registering a bike in DC: 1. Insure bike (will this be possible before bike is purchased or registered?) 2. Purchase bike 3. Ride bike with previous owner's tags (is that kosher?) 4. Show up at DC DMV inspection station (do I need an appt? how do I get one?) 5. Take inspection certification to DMV office 6. Register bike (any catches?) Thoughts? -Sean __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Registering a bike in DC Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:10:35 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec798809a56eea57c48d3d80e6f5b56517c9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sean S made a list & checked it twice... > Let me see how completely I don't understand the > process of registering a bike in DC: > > 1. Insure bike (will this be possible before bike is > purchased or registered?) DY: It's been a while, but I did this effective the date of purchase(test ride, ride back, pay, etc... and already insured) > 2. Purchase bike > 3. Ride bike with previous owner's tags (is that > kosher?) DY: Eh... I've done it... don't know how legal it is. > 4. Show up at DC DMV inspection station (do I need an > appt? how do I get one?) DY: No provision for temp tags ? (w/o inspection?) > 5. Take inspection certification to DMV office > 6. Register bike (any catches?) DY: Bill of sale. Notarized if it's a relatively new bike and the sale price is less than the tax DC will charge. > > Thoughts? DY: Move ? much as I enjoy musing about the DC gov't incompetence, the process you describe would be similar in any surrounding area. FWIW, in MD, I found that by checking the web page, then calling the MVA number and asking all the important questions. Then, following up with the same questions the next day to a different MVA Drone, got me to the office with the required paperwork. At least twice, the follow up call saved the day, so don't just take it on faith that the person you get answers from knows what they're talking about. Good luck. Dave _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Dave Yates" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Registering a bike in DC Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:21:01 -0500 I have alway checked the MVA website and made sure I had my ducks in a row. I have never had a problem with the MVA. I just registered a bike that I bought used with a VA title and a Truck I bought in NY state brand new with a Certificate of Origin and got my license. Both went smooth as silk. Aside from the 2 hours waiting both times and outragous fees ($90 bux to move over my driver and motorcycle license!!!), it wasn't bad at all. I print out and fill out all the forms ahead of time and breezed through. Rob -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:10:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Registering a bike in DC > Sean S made a list & checked it twice... > > > Let me see how completely I don't understand the > > process of registering a bike in DC: > > > > 1. Insure bike (will this be possible before bike is > > purchased or registered?) > DY: It's been a while, but I did this effective the date of purchase(test > ride, ride back, pay, etc... and already insured) > > 2. Purchase bike > > 3. Ride bike with previous owner's tags (is that > > kosher?) > > DY: Eh... I've done it... don't know how legal it is. > > > 4. Show up at DC DMV inspection station (do I need an > > appt? how do I get one?) > DY: No provision for temp tags ? (w/o inspection?) > > > 5. Take inspection certification to DMV office > > 6. Register bike (any catches?) > DY: Bill of sale. Notarized if it's a relatively new bike and the sale > price is less than the tax DC will charge. > > > > Thoughts? > DY: Move ? much as I enjoy musing about the DC gov't > incompetence, the process you describe would be similar in any > surrounding area. FWIW, in MD, I found that by checking the web > page, then calling the MVA number and asking all the important > questions. Then, following up with the same questions the next day > to a different MVA Drone, got me to the office with the required > paperwork. At least twice, the follow up call saved the day, so > don't just take it on faith that the person you get answers from > knows what they're talking about. > > Good luck. > > Dave ------- End of Original Message ------- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:33:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Registering a bike in DC Cc: DC Cycles To: Sean Steele From: Jeff Steele Sean: Here is how I did it (also in DC): 1) purchase bike (this was from a private individual), but leave with previous owner; 2) get insurance; 3) take bill of sale and proof of insurance to DMV. Wait in line. Pay fee based on blue book value of bike and register. Get temp tag (big car-sized cardboard thing); 4) Go get bike at previous owner's house. Put temp tag on and take home; 5) Take bike with temp tag to Inspection station. Confirm that lights and horn work. Get some kind of paper and inspection sticker; 6) Go to DMV. Wait in line. Show paper from inspection station and get real tag. You can probably switch the order of 1 and 2, but everything else is pretty mandatory I believe. Regards, Jeff On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 08:37 PM, Sean Steele wrote: > Let me see how completely I don't understand the > process of registering a bike in DC: > > 1. Insure bike (will this be possible before bike is > purchased or registered?) > 2. Purchase bike > 3. Ride bike with previous owner's tags (is that > kosher?) > 4. Show up at DC DMV inspection station (do I need an > appt? how do I get one?) > 5. Take inspection certification to DMV office > 6. Register bike (any catches?) > > Thoughts? > > -Sean > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Registering a bike in DC Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:38:07 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Steele" Sean, Looks like you've got the rudiments down pat. A few elabations and clarifications follw. > Let me see how completely I don't understand the > process of registering a bike in DC: > > 1. Insure bike (will this be possible before bike is > purchased or registered?) Just give the VIN to the insurance company and the day you'd like coverage to start. They're more than happy to take your money. :) Some companies want a photo. You can usually send that in latter. Have the company fax a proof of insurance to you. You'll need it to get a temp tag. > 2. Purchase bike Get title, obviously, and a Bill of Sale. Don't forget the tool kit, manuals, any spare parts the PO has lying around, especially OEM stuff that's been replaced with an aftermarket farkle. Every time I've bought a bike, the PO usually has a "eureka" moment and remembers some spare item he's had stuffed in the corner of the garage. > 3. Ride bike with previous owner's tags (is that > kosher?) Not really, but I've done it. Better solution is to let PO keep it until you go to DMV to get your 30-day temp tag. Make sure *your* insurance is on the bike. You'll need proof of insurance to get the temp tag anyway. > 4. Show up at DC DMV inspection station (do I need an > appt? how do I get one?) Nope, just show up for the lights'n'horn deal, but you'll need a thirty-day temp tag and the temp tag registration certificate. Oh, and they need to note the VIN, displacement, mileage, etc., on a separate form. The form is needed at main DMV, as you note below. I've found mornings are pretty good, better 8:00 and 8:30, after the morning "rush." They used to say go mid-month, but that's less of an issue now that the inspections expire on any day of the month, not en masse on the last day. Think of a place for them to put the bike-unfriendly sticker. Forks are a popular choice. > 5. Take inspection certification to DMV office. Yup, and pay the title transfer fee. You'll need proof of insurance. Bring reading materials, unless you enjoy the CNN crawl. Note sign that says "patrons using profanity will be served another day." Remember that when the counter drone says the inspection station didn't give you the right form. > 6. Register bike (any catches?) Nope. Install hard tag, ride, enjoy and smile. Don't forget to wave to the rest of us on the road. > > Thoughts? Having been through this drill three times, it's not too bad, considering you have to make three different appearances at DMV facilities. Even managed to do it all in one day once. Tempting fate, I know. > > -Sean Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - users.erols.com/pawilson _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:39:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Steele Subject: Re: Registering a bike in DC To: Jeff Steele Cc: DC Cycles > 5) Take bike with temp tag to Inspection station. > Confirm that lights and horn work. Did you just show up at the inspection station to do this? -Sean __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:24:57 -0400 To: Sean Steele , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Registering a bike in DC At 05:37 PM 10/13/03 -0700, Sean Steele wrote: >Let me see how completely I don't understand the >process of registering a bike in DC: > >1. Insure bike (will this be possible before bike is >purchased or registered?) You will need to know the VIN for the bike in question, and have money for premiums. That's about all the insurance company will require. They may want some other info about you and the bike, but that won't be specific to a particular bike, just the model (engine size, any performance enhancements involved, your riding experience, MSF completions, etc. along with how much insurance you want). That's the way it worked for me about 3 weeks ago anyway. -- Mike B. ========================================================================== The Boulder Pledge: "Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anything offered to me as the result of an unsolicited email message. Nor will I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warnings to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival of the online community." ========================================================================== _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:58:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Short Note To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm working on our ride report to Pennsylvania but a little note here. We stopped at the MARC parking lot at Point of Rocks. As we pulled out of the lot, Rita didn't see the car crest over the hill and paniced. She laid the bike down just under the guardrail and got pinned under it. I was up the road waiting for her when I saw traffic stopping. I wheeled around and arrived to find her leaning on the guardrail and being helped by passers by. Three guys were trying to get her bike up. I got on the other side and pulled it upright and then we pulled it out. Rita has a couple of scrapes (elbow and knee), a nice sized bruise on her elbow and a lovely knot on her lower leg where she was pinned. She bruises easily so the injury looks worse. Anyway, she decided to continue on after I checked her out and then the bike. I had to pop the windshield back into place and clean some dirt off. The left peg seems to have taken the worst punishment and is a little bent. I got some nice pictures yesterday and when I get Saturday's ride down, I'll post the entire report. She's fine though. A little bruised but looking forward to the next ride. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Short Note To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Good news she is fine and that she is looking forward to the next ride. The first 'accident' is critical to see if motorcycling is really for you (her). --- Carl Schelin wrote: > I'm working on our ride report to Pennsylvania but a > little note here. > > We stopped at the MARC parking lot at Point of > Rocks. As we pulled out of > the lot, Rita didn't see the car crest over the hill > and paniced. She laid > the bike down just under the guardrail and got > pinned under it. > > I was up the road waiting for her when I saw traffic > stopping. I wheeled > around and arrived to find her leaning on the > guardrail and being helped > by passers by. > > Three guys were trying to get her bike up. I got on > the other side and > pulled it upright and then we pulled it out. > > Rita has a couple of scrapes (elbow and knee), a > nice sized bruise on her > elbow and a lovely knot on her lower leg where she > was pinned. She bruises > easily so the injury looks worse. > > Anyway, she decided to continue on after I checked > her out and then the > bike. I had to pop the windshield back into place > and clean some dirt off. > The left peg seems to have taken the worst > punishment and is a little > bent. > > I got some nice pictures yesterday and when I get > Saturday's ride down, > I'll post the entire report. She's fine though. A > little bruised but > looking forward to the next ride. > > Carl > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Subject: RE: Short Note Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:16:06 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Carl Schelin" , Glad to hear Rita is okay. I admire her gumption, a fall can certainly be unsettling to a new rider (or even not so new!) and it takes strength of character to get back astride after such a mishap. Best wishes for a quick recovery, and a whole lot of smooth-riding miles to come! Robert -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:dm_gsxr@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:59 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Short Note I'm working on our ride report to Pennsylvania but a little note here. We stopped at the MARC parking lot at Point of Rocks. As we pulled out of the lot, Rita didn't see the car crest over the hill and paniced. She laid the bike down just under the guardrail and got pinned under it. I was up the road waiting for her when I saw traffic stopping. I wheeled around and arrived to find her leaning on the guardrail and being helped by passers by. Three guys were trying to get her bike up. I got on the other side and pulled it upright and then we pulled it out. Rita has a couple of scrapes (elbow and knee), a nice sized bruise on her elbow and a lovely knot on her lower leg where she was pinned. She bruises easily so the injury looks worse. Anyway, she decided to continue on after I checked her out and then the bike. I had to pop the windshield back into place and clean some dirt off. The left peg seems to have taken the worst punishment and is a little bent. I got some nice pictures yesterday and when I get Saturday's ride down, I'll post the entire report. She's fine though. A little bruised but looking forward to the next ride. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:18:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Short Note To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Oh yea. And in fact, she said she felt more comfortable now since a big concern was that she'd be crushed by the bike if it fell on her. I think it was fortunate because of the angle. I think the peg and the angle of the bike made a difference in the results of the accident. Perhaps highway bars would be an appropriate purchase in addition to a communications system for her (it would have been better if I'd heard her yell or if I could have said "car" as I pulled out and perhaps avoided the accident). Carl --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Good news she is fine and that she is looking forward > to the next ride. The first 'accident' is critical to > see if motorcycling is really for you (her). > > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > I'm working on our ride report to Pennsylvania but a > > little note here. > > > > We stopped at the MARC parking lot at Point of > > Rocks. As we pulled out of > > the lot, Rita didn't see the car crest over the hill > > and paniced. She laid > > the bike down just under the guardrail and got > > pinned under it. > > > > I was up the road waiting for her when I saw traffic > > stopping. I wheeled > > around and arrived to find her leaning on the > > guardrail and being helped > > by passers by. > > > > Three guys were trying to get her bike up. I got on > > the other side and > > pulled it upright and then we pulled it out. > > > > Rita has a couple of scrapes (elbow and knee), a > > nice sized bruise on her > > elbow and a lovely knot on her lower leg where she > > was pinned. She bruises > > easily so the injury looks worse. > > > > Anyway, she decided to continue on after I checked > > her out and then the > > bike. I had to pop the windshield back into place > > and clean some dirt off. > > The left peg seems to have taken the worst > > punishment and is a little > > bent. > > > > I got some nice pictures yesterday and when I get > > Saturday's ride down, > > I'll post the entire report. She's fine though. A > > little bruised but > > looking forward to the next ride. > > > > Carl > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > > search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== > www.deanforamerica.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:27:15 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Short Note Carl Schelin wrote: > > Oh yea. And in fact, she said she felt more comfortable now since a big > concern was that she'd be crushed by the bike if it fell on her. I think > it was fortunate because of the angle. I think the peg and the angle of > the bike made a difference in the results of the accident. Perhaps highway > bars would be an appropriate purchase in addition to a communications > system for her (it would have been better if I'd heard her yell or if I > could have said "car" as I pulled out and perhaps avoided the accident). > > Carl perhaps my view will change when I'm riding with a loved one, but at this point, one of the things I enjoy about riding is the quiet solitude of me and my machine. --skip _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:09:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Short Note On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:18:10 -0700 (PDT) > From: Carl Schelin > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Short Note > > Oh yea. And in fact, she said she felt more comfortable now since a big > concern was that she'd be crushed by the bike if it fell on her. I think > it was fortunate because of the angle. I think the peg and the angle of > the bike made a difference in the results of the accident. Perhaps highway > bars would be an appropriate purchase in addition to a communications > system for her (it would have been better if I'd heard her yell or if I > could have said "car" as I pulled out and perhaps avoided the accident). Glad she and the bike are Mostly ok. I'll say this -- yesterday was flat out awful for riding, IMHO. Not because of weather, rather, because the other motorists were going nutso due to the lower volume of traffic. Things were moving just a bit faster than normal, and I'm not sure people knew what to think. Having to make too many quick descisions or something. I had several incidents -- more than normal -- between the time I got off of 66 and when I pulled into my driveway last night. I'd like to thank MSF and BMW for saving my hide! The first incident -- at the Washington Blvd exit -- silver minivan, first cuts me off, by pulling into my lane as I'm coming up the exit ramp, before the light. No big deal, happens all the time. Missed me by about an arms length. No signal until she was already in my lane. However, then, after the light turns, minivan has left turn blinker on, but decides, AFTER she's already in the process of a left hand turn and I'm starting to go straight through the intersection behind her, that she REALLY wants to go straight, so cuts back into my lane. I was far enough back, and positioned to the right of the lane, so wasn't in any real danger. I did grab a fairly good handful of brakes (mmmm! power-assist anti-lock!) and laid on the horn (mmm... loud stock horn). Had I been in the cage, I'd probably have had a minivan stuck to my front bumper and the toyota behind me sitting in my trunk. Next incident, I'm at a stoplight at the corner of North George Mason and Wilson Blvd. (http://tinyurl.com/qvjj) Am first in line, sitting slightly to the left of the right hand lane. I'm on the left side, because across the intersection is an incoming right turn lane off of Wilson which frequenly has a car sticking out into the lane of oncoming traffic. As I'm putting my foot down to stop for the light, a dark colored LandRover roars -- not eases its way around me, not makes any sort of indication it doesn't want to wait for the light -- it ROARS by me on the right -- note, there isn't actually a right turn lane -- and makes a right hand turn onto Wilson. Yet again, within an arms length of disaster. Finally, am on Park, about to cross Rt 50. A car in oncoming traffic, who didn't have any blinkers on, decides to make a left turn as I'm starting to enter the intersection. I slow some, no problem, happens all the time. But, then they see me and stop. I slow more and give them some horn. They finally make up their mind and complete the turn, clearing the intersection. A few minutes later, I'm home, and heading for a beer. Not the sorta ride which is easy to enjoy. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:28:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Short Note To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Skip wrote: > > > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > > Oh yea. And in fact, she said she felt more comfortable now since a > big > > concern was that she'd be crushed by the bike if it fell on her. I > think > > it was fortunate because of the angle. I think the peg and the angle > of > > the bike made a difference in the results of the accident. Perhaps > highway > > bars would be an appropriate purchase in addition to a communications > > system for her (it would have been better if I'd heard her yell or if > I > > could have said "car" as I pulled out and perhaps avoided the > accident). > > > > Carl > > > perhaps my view will change when I'm riding with a loved one, but at > this point, > one of the things I enjoy about riding is the quiet solitude of me and > my > machine. > As do I. When I'm by myself. When I'm with Rita, I want to share things on the road. Something I can do in a cage but not as well on the road (wild waving of arms notwithstanding). It's hard to tell her something while we're at a light and we have full faced helmets on. > > --skip > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:42:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Extra Sprocket Tooth. The vast majority of my riding is superslab highway commuting. I often find myself reaching for seventh gear, or wishing I could make it to 80 indicated without hearing my bike wince in pain. What would happen if I put on a front sprocket with an extra tooth? I've been led to believe that would increase my top speed. Would it also mean fewer revs at a given speed? How would it affect gas mileage, given the constant-cruising-speed type of riding I do so much of? Just curious. Fish. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:52:49 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. At 12:42 PM 10/14/2003, Fish Flowers wrote: >What would happen if I put on a front sprocket with an extra tooth? I've >been led to believe that would increase my top speed. Would it also mean >fewer revs at a given speed? How would it affect gas mileage, given the >constant-cruising-speed type of riding I do so much of? Most people do the opposite and drop a tooth in front or rear because they don't need the top end. When I dropped a tooth up front, I got a shorter shift pattern, ran a higher rev at cruising speed and increased my torque (feel) and acceleration. I would guess the opposite effects would hold true for you. Upping two teeth in the rear is about the same as upping one in the front, all things being equal. Consider going up one tooth in the rear to start. Advice is to replace all sprockets and chain at the same time depending on wear and mileage. If the other components are only 5000 miles old, just swap in the new rear sprocket and roll. Changing more than one tooth in the front or two in the rear may mean a new chain to size it correctly. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org All that is now All that is gone All that's to come and everything under the sun is in tune but the sun is eclipsed by the moon. The lunatic is on the grass. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:52:34 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Short Note At 06:58 AM 10/14/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: >Anyway, she decided to continue on after I checked her out and then the >bike. I had to pop the windshield back into place and clean some dirt off. >The left peg seems to have taken the worst punishment and is a little >bent. > >I got some nice pictures yesterday and when I get Saturday's ride down, >I'll post the entire report. She's fine though. A little bruised but >looking forward to the next ride. Glad to hear that she's in pretty good shape, both physically and mentally, after her mishap. She sounds like an amazing woman from all you've said about her so far. :^) Hope her bruises and scrapes heal up quickly. Was she wearing leathers? Just wondering if it was equipment failure, or absence that resulted in what injuries she did get. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Rob Sharp" To: Troutman , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:16:04 -0500 How is upping two teeth in the rear like going up one in the front ? I thought most bikes where like 15-17 up front and like 45-47 in the rear. Wouldn't you have to go up 3 teeth in the rear to get the one in the front ? I think I see your point that replacing the rear sprocket as being easier than replacing the front. I found on my Hawk I often wished it had a 6th gear for cruising, but it's not a cruising type bike :) For Fish: What kind of bike are we talking about and do you know your sprocket sizes? Rob -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Troutman To: DC-Cycles Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:52:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. > At 12:42 PM 10/14/2003, Fish Flowers wrote: > >What would happen if I put on a front sprocket with an extra tooth? I've > >been led to believe that would increase my top speed. Would it also mean > >fewer revs at a given speed? How would it affect gas mileage, given the > >constant-cruising-speed type of riding I do so much of? > > Most people do the opposite and drop a tooth in front or rear > because they don't need the top end. When I dropped a tooth up > front, I got a shorter shift pattern, ran a higher rev at cruising > speed and increased my torque > (feel) and acceleration. I would guess the opposite effects would > hold true for you. > > Upping two teeth in the rear is about the same as upping one in the > front, all things being equal. Consider going up one tooth in the > rear to start. Advice is to replace all sprockets and chain at the > same time depending on wear and mileage. If the other components > are only 5000 miles old, just swap in the new rear sprocket and > roll. Changing more than one tooth in the front or two in the rear > may mean a new chain to size it correctly. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > All that is now > All that is gone > All that's to come > and everything under the sun is in tune > but the sun is eclipsed by the moon. > > The lunatic is on the grass. ------- End of Original Message ------- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:25:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Short Note To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 06:58 AM 10/14/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >Anyway, she decided to continue on after I checked her out and then the > >bike. I had to pop the windshield back into place and clean some dirt > off. > >The left peg seems to have taken the worst punishment and is a little > >bent. > > > >I got some nice pictures yesterday and when I get Saturday's ride down, > >I'll post the entire report. She's fine though. A little bruised but > >looking forward to the next ride. > > Glad to hear that she's in pretty good shape, both physically and > mentally, > after her mishap. She sounds like an amazing woman from all you've said > about her so far. :^) > > Hope her bruises and scrapes heal up quickly. Was she wearing leathers? > Just wondering if it was equipment failure, or absence that resulted in > what injuries she did get. > She had on her leather coat, new leather gloves, full face helmet and leather boots. Her chaps were in my tank bag. An additional note is that her jeans didn't even scuff nor did the jacket. Her left boot is quite scuffed up though and a rock was imbedded in the seam at the toe. I'm not sure that the main injury would have been affected by the fall. It seemed to be more of a result of being pinned than anything else. I didn't see her pinned so I don't know the position of the leg. > -- Mike B. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:32:27 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. At 02:16 PM 10/14/2003, Rob Sharp wrote: >How is upping two teeth in the rear like going up one in the front ? I >thought most bikes where like 15-17 up front and like 45-47 in the rear. >Wouldn't you have to go up 3 teeth in the rear to get the one in the front ? I don't know that there is any standard sprocket size front or rear. I based the 2 in the rear info on experience with the VFR list. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:32:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Rob Sharp wrote: > For Fish: What kind of bike are we talking about and do you know your > sprocket sizes? Suzuki GS500E. I believe the front has 16 teeth; dunno about the rear -- I have a set of stock sprockets sitting on my desk at home (it's getting time to change my chain, which is why I've been thinking about this), I can check later. Fish. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:39:41 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Re: Registering a bike in DC To: Sean Steele , Jeff Steele Cc: DC Cycles > Did you just show up at the inspection station to do > this? > > -Sean Yep, just show up. They frequently wave you to the front of the line if you are just getting a bike inspected. You can also trailer the bike without temp tags, get it inspected first, take the inspection certificate to the DMV to register it, and get hard tags, thereby saving one trip to the DMV. FWIW... the DMV office in Brentwood is way, way faster than going to C street, and parking is a lot easier. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:56:38 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. To: DC-Cycles A curious Fish asked: >I often find myself reaching for seventh gear, or wishing I >could make it to 80 indicated without hearing my bike wince >in pain. > >What would happen if I put on a front sprocket with an extra >tooth? I've been led to believe that would increase my top >speed. Would it also mean fewer revs at a given speed? How >would it affect gas mileage, given the constant-cruising- >speed type of riding I do so much of? [Dave] If you're concerned about top speed, buy a used C model zx11... If you went up 1 tooth on the front sprocket, you may reap a mpg or 2, and you may cruise _a little_ easier, but it won't be a mondo difference; 250-500 rpms tops (just a guess, someone chime in with hard #'s please). It will bet tougher to take off due to the taller gearing. It may be negligible, but it will be there. FWIW, I de- toothed my ZX11's rear sprocket by 3; going from 45 to 42, and I reclaimed about 1-2 mpg... She's got 90+ lbs. ft of torque though, YMMV... To do this, I had to drop a link from the chain, but with adding only one tooth, I don't _think_ you'd need to mess with the chain. HTH Dave Yates _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:44:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. To: Troutman , DC-Cycles Fish and Troutman cast a net with: > >What would happen if I put on a front sprocket with > an extra tooth? > Changing more than one > tooth in the front or two in the rear may mean a new > chain to size it > correctly. To lower your engine revs, increase teeth on the front sprocket or decrease the number in the rear. Personally, I find the front sprocket easier to change, I have to remove the rear wheel to replace the rear one. Up front, just release the chain tension, unbolt the sprocket, pull it off the shaft and slide the new sprocket under the chain and into it's place. Replacing the front sprocket with a larger (or smaller) one is common for riders with smaller bikes. With less power on tap, it's important to keep the motor in the right RPM range for power, fuel economy or engine life. Leon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Rob Sharp" To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:02:59 -0500 Check out Vortex Racing. They make an array of stuff including sprokets. I did a look up on your model and you can get read from 39 teeth up to 50 teeth. I dunno if those sizes are ones that FIT your bike or suggested sizes by Vortex. If you have access to a GS500 list on the net, I would suggest you ask there. I am sure there is a couple people who have messed around with this stuff. URL(requires IE to work): http://www.vortexracing.com/work/sprockets_products.htm -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. > On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Rob Sharp wrote: > > > For Fish: What kind of bike are we talking about and do you know your > > sprocket sizes? > > Suzuki GS500E. I believe the front has 16 teeth; dunno about the rear > -- I have a set of stock sprockets sitting on my desk at home (it's > getting time to change my chain, which is why I've been thinking > about this), I can check later. > > Fish. ------- End of Original Message ------- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Rob Sharp" , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:05:17 -0500 Another note: 89-01 GS500 Front: 16 Rear: 39 Chain: 520-110 Looks like you can go up a LOT in the rear. -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Rob Sharp" To: Troutman , DC-Cycles Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:16:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. > How is upping two teeth in the rear like going up one in the front ? > I thought most bikes where like 15-17 up front and like 45-47 in > the rear. Wouldn't you have to go up 3 teeth in the rear to get the > one in the front ? > > I think I see your point that replacing the rear sprocket as being > easier than replacing the front. I found on my Hawk I often wished > it had a 6th gear for cruising, but it's not a cruising type bike :) > > For Fish: What kind of bike are we talking about and do you know > your sprocket sizes? > > Rob > > -- > Rob Sharp > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > Network Security Engineer > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: Troutman > To: DC-Cycles > Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:52:49 -0400 > Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. > > > At 12:42 PM 10/14/2003, Fish Flowers wrote: > > >What would happen if I put on a front sprocket with an extra tooth? I've > > >been led to believe that would increase my top speed. Would it also mean > > >fewer revs at a given speed? How would it affect gas mileage, given the > > >constant-cruising-speed type of riding I do so much of? > > > > Most people do the opposite and drop a tooth in front or rear > > because they don't need the top end. When I dropped a tooth up > > front, I got a shorter shift pattern, ran a higher rev at cruising > > speed and increased my torque > > (feel) and acceleration. I would guess the opposite effects would > > hold true for you. > > > > Upping two teeth in the rear is about the same as upping one in the > > front, all things being equal. Consider going up one tooth in the > > rear to start. Advice is to replace all sprockets and chain at the > > same time depending on wear and mileage. If the other components > > are only 5000 miles old, just swap in the new rear sprocket and > > roll. Changing more than one tooth in the front or two in the rear > > may mean a new chain to size it correctly. > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org > > > > All that is now > > All that is gone > > All that's to come > > and everything under the sun is in tune > > but the sun is eclipsed by the moon. > > > > The lunatic is on the grass. > ------- End of Original Message ------- ------- End of Original Message ------- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:00:40 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Short Note At 10:25 AM 10/14/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >> Hope her bruises and scrapes heal up quickly. Was she wearing leathers? >> Just wondering if it was equipment failure, or absence that resulted in >> what injuries she did get. >> >She had on her leather coat, new leather gloves, full face helmet and >leather boots. Her chaps were in my tank bag. Sounds pretty well protected. I guess the scrapes were through the jeans? I once fell on my 10 speed and ripped a 2" diameter patch of skin off of my shoulder, without tearing the shirt that was over it. Just scuffed it a little. Weird stuff. >I'm not sure that the main injury would have been affected by the fall. It >seemed to be more of a result of being pinned than anything else. The only way I can see preventing or limiting bruising is with some sort of solid armor plate, like a medieval knight, perhaps made of something like Kydex. You have to spread the impact over as much area as possible. I doubt many would be willing to wear all that just to prevent some bruises. :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:12:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Short Note To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 10:25 AM 10/14/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: > >--- Mike Bartman wrote: > >> Hope her bruises and scrapes heal up quickly. Was she wearing > leathers? > >> Just wondering if it was equipment failure, or absence that resulted > in > >> what injuries she did get. > >> > >She had on her leather coat, new leather gloves, full face helmet and > >leather boots. Her chaps were in my tank bag. > > Sounds pretty well protected. I guess the scrapes were through the > jeans? Yea, no scuff marks at all. > I once fell on my 10 speed and ripped a 2" diameter patch of skin off of > my > shoulder, without tearing the shirt that was over it. Just scuffed it a > little. Weird stuff. > I figure it's more of a rug burn than an asphalt scrape. > >I'm not sure that the main injury would have been affected by the fall. > It > >seemed to be more of a result of being pinned than anything else. > > The only way I can see preventing or limiting bruising is with some sort > of > solid armor plate, like a medieval knight, perhaps made of something > like > Kydex. You have to spread the impact over as much area as possible. I > doubt many would be willing to wear all that just to prevent some > bruises. :^) > Which is what I said before. Risk management. She's new on her bike. I'm sorta new on mine. Lots of protection, on the sportbike probably for some time. > -- Mike B. > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Reply-To: wayne@XXXXXX From: "wayne@XXXXXX" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:12:06 -0400 I went from 17/40 on my 'Busa to 16/40, for increased acceleration. It also moves the rear wheel back slightly, for an increase in the wheelbase (helps keep the front wheel down). Some of the turbo 'Busa guys swap to 18, 19 and sometimes 20 tooth front sprockets for increased top end (240+mph). I think you'll be fine going up 1 tooth up front. Depending on the condition of your stock chain, you should be able to just swap in the new front. Mike - I think you're backwards on the rear, you'd want to go down in size out back to do the same as going up in front. I may be out of my mind, though. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ Original Message: ----------------- From: Troutman mike@XXXXXX At 12:42 PM 10/14/2003, Fish Flowers wrote: >What would happen if I put on a front sprocket with an extra tooth? I've >been led to believe that would increase my top speed. Would it also mean >fewer revs at a given speed? How would it affect gas mileage, given the >constant-cruising-speed type of riding I do so much of? Most people do the opposite and drop a tooth in front or rear because they don't need the top end. When I dropped a tooth up front, I got a shorter shift pattern, ran a higher rev at cruising speed and increased my torque (feel) and acceleration. I would guess the opposite effects would hold true for you. Upping two teeth in the rear is about the same as upping one in the front, all things being equal. Consider going up one tooth in the rear to start. Advice is to replace all sprockets and chain at the same time depending on wear and mileage. If the other components are only 5000 miles old, just swap in the new rear sprocket and roll. Changing more than one tooth in the front or two in the rear may mean a new chain to size it correctly. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:24:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Yeah - I was backwards in the rear. I made the change many moons ago. Still on stock rear sprocket with 38k, second chain, and front sprocket since 15k. Wear looks great. All I use is WD-40. At 02:12 PM 10/14/2003, you wrote: >Mike - I think you're backwards on the rear, you'd want to go down in size >out back to do the same as going up in front. I may be out of my mind, >though. :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Reply-To: wayne@XXXXXX From: "wayne@XXXXXX" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:29:31 -0400 > Yeah - I was backwards in the rear. I made the change many moons > ago. Still on stock rear sprocket with 38k, second chain, and front > sprocket since 15k. Wear looks great. All I use is WD-40. > > Is it synthetic WD-40? :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Rob Sharp" To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:49:08 -0500 I use Bel Ray chain lube. It's a pretty orange. Costs less than WD40 too. Rob -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:24:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. > Yeah - I was backwards in the rear. I made the change many moons > ago. Still on stock rear sprocket with 38k, second chain, and front > sprocket since 15k. Wear looks great. All I use is WD-40. > > > > At 02:12 PM 10/14/2003, you wrote: > >Mike - I think you're backwards on the rear, you'd want to go down in size > >out back to do the same as going up in front. I may be out of my mind, > >though. :-) > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org ------- End of Original Message ------- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:30:09 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Mike Bartman CC: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Short Note Mike Bartman wrote: > Sounds pretty well protected. I guess the scrapes were through the jeans? > I once fell on my 10 speed and ripped a 2" diameter patch of skin off of my > shoulder, without tearing the shirt that was over it. Just scuffed it a > little. Weird stuff. Not weird - it's called impact abrasion. I reckon you hit the ground and the gaarmewnt you're wearing is driven into your skin, then slides a bit and rips you a bare patch. Had it happen a buncha times falling off pedal bikes and scoots. My only observation is that layers help. Methinks the various layers do some slipping against each other and save *some* skin damage. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:21:25 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Rob Sharp CC: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. I lube mine with air! It's clear and FREE! Pushing 38K miles and I've never had to adjust my final drive. Belts rule! Rob Sharp wrote: > I use Bel Ray chain lube. It's a pretty orange. Costs less than WD40 too. > > Rob > > -- > Rob Sharp > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 > Network Security Engineer > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: Troutman > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:24:16 -0400 > Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. > > > Yeah - I was backwards in the rear. I made the change many moons > > ago. Still on stock rear sprocket with 38k, second chain, and front > > sprocket since 15k. Wear looks great. All I use is WD-40. > > > > > > > > At 02:12 PM 10/14/2003, you wrote: > > >Mike - I think you're backwards on the rear, you'd want to go down in size > > >out back to do the same as going up in front. I may be out of my mind, > > >though. :-) > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > > NMA http://www.motorists.org > ------- End of Original Message ------- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:20:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. To: DC-Cycles fyi: someone recently told me to keep the combo total as an ODD number so the teeth are not impacting the links identically each time around. can't vouch for this, but it sounds right. --- Rob Sharp wrote: > Another note: > > 89-01 GS500 > > Front: 16 > Rear: 39 > Chain: 520-110 > > Looks like you can go up a LOT in the rear. ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Extra Sprocket Tooth. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:31:55 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec796aec76a69770514d44d9262048184cf9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Bill slurred: > I lube mine with air! It's clear and FREE! Pushing 38K miles and I've never had > to adjust my final drive. Belts rule! [Dave] You mean to say you have no (sprocket) TEETH ! ? ;-) > > Rob Sharp wrote: > > > I use Bel Ray chain lube. It's a pretty orange. Costs less than WD40 too. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: moto slang Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:36:28 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c4a4036f11886fbd38bcd1d670cc1d4e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Was she wearing leathers? [Dave] A simple question. When wearing a full leather protective suit, it is often referred to as above. Aerostich suits are made of "cordura nylon"... Are 'Stich wearers to be referred to as "Wearing full nylons" ? :-O _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:13:54 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Free to good home: Leather Jacket Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:17:16 -0400 FTGH: Orange, very retro leather jacket. So retro in fact, it IS from the 70's. Size 44 Insulated, quilted interior Very nice, very thick leather. Leather seems thicker than my Vanson, which replaced it. Insulation needs to be sewn back to the leather around the (stand up) collar. Or not. Left cuff zipper is in need of attention. Again, or not. One get off, and you can't even tell. Well worn, but tons of life left. Need closet space. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk -sold 76 CB400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:19:08 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Re: Riding in Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:18:59 -0400 > > From: Fish Flowers > > I put on my new cold-weather gloves (Tour Master Polar-Tex, from New > Enough) for the first time this morning. Glad I wore 'em, because I got > pretty cold... and then noticed I'd left a vent zip open on my jacket. > Oops. > > The gloves are nice, but really do give less feel than my summer gloves > (single layer of leather). You should try Gerbing electric gloves. Not as much feel as lightweight summer gloves, but a lot better than heavy winter ones. Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 '02 ST1100A, '92 ST1100, '02 919, "Asphalt" If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:24:56 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: Carl Schelin , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Re: Riding in Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:24:45 -0400 > > From: Carl Schelin > Hey, for anyone who rides water cooled bikes in the winter, are there any > preps to make for winter? I have 50/50 coolent/water. > 50/50 is good down to '23 degrees or something like that. As long as it's fairly fresh, you should be fine. Make sure you check your tire pressures: when the temp drops so will your pressure. Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 '02 ST1100A, '92 ST1100, '02 919, "Asphalt" If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:33:23 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!! Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:33:15 -0400 > > From: "Doug Allis" > > When selling a bike, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER ALLOW THE BUYER TO KEEP THE > TAGS!!!! (This is true for cars and trailers too.) Many Many Many years > ago I sold a car in New Yourk. I sent in the registration saying the car > was sold, with the new owners address and name. After six month I started > getting delinquent parking tickets notices from all over New York. The jerk > drove my car for 6 months on my old tags, pileing up parking tickets all > over the state. It was a total hassle!!! Ditto! Same thing happened to me when I sold a car about 10 years ago. Cost me about $400 in fines to DC, which they never would agree to dsimiss even after I proved the car had been sold. Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 '02 ST1100A, '92 ST1100, '02 919, "Asphalt" If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:33:34 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:33:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Was Re: Re: Riding in, now Coolant To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX, Carl Schelin , DC-Cycles Is there a way to test your coolant to see that the mix is? --- Bob Meyer wrote: > > > > > From: Carl Schelin > > > Hey, for anyone who rides water cooled bikes in > the winter, are there any > > preps to make for winter? I have 50/50 > coolent/water. > > > > 50/50 is good down to '23 degrees or something like > that. As long as it's fairly fresh, you should be > fine. Make sure you check your tire pressures: when > the temp drops so will your pressure. > > Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 > '02 ST1100A, > '92 ST1100, > '02 919, "Asphalt" > > If you can't be a good example, then you'll just > have to be a horrible warning. > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:35:08 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX, Carl Schelin , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Re: Riding in Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:35:00 -0400 > > From: Bob Meyer > Date: 2003/10/16 Thu AM 11:24:45 EDT > To: Carl Schelin , DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: Re: Riding in > > > > > > From: Carl Schelin > > > Hey, for anyone who rides water cooled bikes in the winter, are there any > > preps to make for winter? I have 50/50 coolent/water. > > > > 50/50 is good down to '23 degrees or something like that. As long as it's fairly fresh, you should be fine. Make sure you check your tire pressures: when the temp drops so will your pressure. > OOPS, that was supposed to read MINUS (-) 23 degrees. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:37:16 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Doug Allis" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!! Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:37:25 -0500 X-Spam-Level: * I agree, I had a friend sell his old POS car to a used car dealer, he counted on the dealer to return the plates, 6 months later he found out his license was suspended, because in NY if you have plates out that are expired you get your license suspended. He had to jump through a bunch of DMV hopes to get it fixed. NY is VERY anal about plates being returned. For example you can't cancel your insruace in NY without having a statement from the DMV saying your returned the plates. FWIW, I got my insurance binder and the bill of sale and road the bike home. Of course don't ride like a a-hole and you should be ok. I didn't get pulled over but if I did I was gonna say hey I just bought it and I am riding him. Rob -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:58:56 -0400 Subject: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!! > When selling a bike, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER ALLOW THE BUYER TO KEEP THE > TAGS!!!! (This is true for cars and trailers too.) Many Many Many > years ago I sold a car in New Yourk. I sent in the registration > saying the car was sold, with the new owners address and name. > After six month I started getting delinquent parking tickets > notices from all over New York. The jerk drove my car for 6 months > on my old tags, pileing up parking tickets all over the state. It > was a total hassle!!! > > So what to do when buying a bike? I would borrow or rent a pickup > or trailer to get the bike inspected and not ride it until it was > properly registered under my own name. > > Or you can do what I did when I sold my last two bikes. I (as seller) > rode it to the buyer's house and removed all tags (including > Fairfax County tax sticker). My wife took me home. > > DHAllis@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:39:29 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: Mark Kitchell , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Was Re: Re: Riding in, now Coolant Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:39:18 -0400 > > From: Mark Kitchell > Date: 2003/10/16 Thu AM 11:33:31 EDT > To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX, Carl Schelin , > DC-Cycles > Subject: Was Re: Re: Riding in, now Coolant > > Is there a way to test your coolant to see that the > mix is? Well, not the mix per se, but you can easily check to see how low it will protect. Any auto parts store (and probably Wal-Mart, Sears, etc.) will sell you an anti-freeze tester. Can probably get a little one for $5 to $10. Most look like a little turkey baster and have a set of colored balls inside. Which balls float vs. which sink tells you the specific gravity, which translates into protection. It should come with a little chart to show you how to interpret the reading. Bob Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 '02 ST1100A, '92 ST1100, '02 919, "Asphalt" If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:40:18 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:40:36 -0400 To: "William J. Huson" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Short Note Cc: Mobacc , DC-Cycles At 07:02 AM 10/16/03 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: >The absolute best idea -*snicker*- is the parachute that is launched from a >backpack and pops open, yanking the rider off the crash imminent motorcycle and >allowing aforementioned rider to float down on the carnage below. What?!? No ejection seat??? :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:42:09 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , rmeyer9@XXXXXX, Carl Schelin , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Was Re: Re: Riding in, now Coolant Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:45:34 -0400 Hydrometer. Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [SMTP:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:34 AM > To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX; Carl Schelin; DC-Cycles > Subject: Was Re: Re: Riding in, now Coolant > > Is there a way to test your coolant to see that the > mix is? > > --- Bob Meyer wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Carl Schelin > > > > > Hey, for anyone who rides water cooled bikes in > > the winter, are there any > > > preps to make for winter? I have 50/50 > > coolent/water. > > > > > > > 50/50 is good down to '23 degrees or something like > > that. As long as it's fairly fresh, you should be > > fine. Make sure you check your tire pressures: when > > the temp drops so will your pressure. > > > > Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 > > '02 ST1100A, > > '92 ST1100, > > '02 919, "Asphalt" > > > > If you can't be a good example, then you'll just > > have to be a horrible warning. > > > > > ===== > www.deanforamerica.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:51:54 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:50:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Re: Riding in To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Bob Meyer wrote: > > > > > From: Carl Schelin > > > Hey, for anyone who rides water cooled bikes in the winter, are there > any > > preps to make for winter? I have 50/50 coolent/water. > > > > 50/50 is good down to '23 degrees or something like that. As long as > it's fairly fresh, you should be fine. Make sure you check your tire > pressures: when the temp drops so will your pressure. Only 23? I think it gets colder than that in the garage. I'll have to pop out and check that one with Google. Thanks, Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:57:05 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:57:15 -0400 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Extra Sprocket Tooth. At 08:18 AM 10/16/03 -0400, Custer, Carl wrote: >Mike bantered: "If you have a GPS, most will also provide that info along >with the rest of what they show you. I found my Jeep was off about 5mph >until I got slightly larger tires for it...now it reads as about 0.4 under. >I'll see about the bike soon...the RAM mount showed up yesterday. :^)" > >Yup, GPS is great (& the Ram mount gets two snaps and a "gee whilikers") Which reminds me, thank you to all those here who have mentioned, promoted and otherwise said great stuff about RAM mounts. I'd never heard of them before, but it appears that it is exactly what I needed to get my GPS onto my bike in a simple, effective and good looking way. One note though, I didn't get the RAM U-bolt mount to attach to my bars. Looked...ugly. I got a chrome 1" mount (made by Touratech I believe) with a RAM 1" ball on it for that. The rest (arm, diamond mount and GPS cradle) are all RAM (bought from CycleGadgets.com...nice helpful folks). The chrome mount and RAM ball are from CycoActive Inc.'s web page. What they call "GCLMP1" and "GRAHEX". Looks much nicer than RAM's U-bolt attachment. See the second pic down at: http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/gallery/other_gpsmount.html >But for the parsimonious the Sigma cant be beat. Unless you already own a GPS, but not the Sigma. :-) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:59:16 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:58:49 -0400 From: Skip To: Rob Sharp CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!! Rob Sharp wrote: > Of course don't ride like a a-hole and you should be ok. I didn't get pulled > over but if I did I was gonna say hey I just bought it and I am riding him. ARGH! first with the kissing shafts, now you "riding him" I'll chalk it up under: "things you never wanted to know about your friends" :~) --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 11:59:19 2003 Subject: RE: Gloves (was Re: Riding in) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:59:07 -0400 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: , Last February, temperatures really started to dip and even on my 15 minute commute, my hands were freezing, and I wasn't even riding on the highway. I knew that heated clothing is the way to go, so I started to sort the options available. In my experience, most of the heated clothing is geared towards cruiser crowd, offering lots of comfort, but at the expense of maximizing safety. None of them seemed to offer the safety of my Technic Speedstar gloves. In the end, I opted to buy heated glove liners. They use a standard lighter adapter, so they should be easy to hook up to the bike (I'm still working on that part and used rechargable batteries last winter). They made things very bearable in 0 degree weather, and downright cozy in 30 degree weather. I bought my pair from Kreamer, https://tp-commerce.techpro.com/kreamer/cartsys/shopexd.asp?id=48 If you search the web for 'heated glove liners' you will get some other options... For example http://www.heated-motorcycle-clothing.co.uk/gloveliners.html > -----Original Message----- > From: wayne@XXXXXX [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 10:12 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Gloves (was Re: Riding in) > > > I have a set of Tourmaster gloves, too. They are warm and do > offer less > feel, but I worry about the protection they would afford in a > 'get off'. > Does any company offer warm weather gloves with good armor? > > I recently picked up a set of Held gloves for warm/mild > weather use and I > am very impressed with the quality. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 12:03:19 2003 From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "Carl Schelin" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Re: Riding in Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:01:24 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Meyer" > > > > > > > 50/50 is good down to '23 degrees or something like that. .. > > OOPS, that was supposed to read MINUS (-) 23 degrees. > > Bob > Yeah, if it ever gets down to -23 in DC. I think the lowest temps I have ever experienced was -17 (F) back home in Ohio. That's "don't lick a metal flagpole" cold. I don't think it's ever been below zero in the five years I've lived in DC. Short version of this story: 50/50 mix is all you need around here, unless you plan on riding to North Dakota in mid-winter or something. As for winter prep, I prep the rider, not the bike. :) If it gets below 20, that's "I hope the Gerbing's don't blow a fuse" cold. Speaking of which: carry adequate extra clothing just in case your electrics crap out. Electrics are nice, but don't get yourself in a situation where you're relying on them. Dress in layers; mittens are warmer than gloves. All that stuff Mom taught you. Also, carry a stocking cap with you. Full face helmets are generally pretty warm, but you'll need something on your head when the helmet comes off. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 12:08:33 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:08:35 -0400 To: "Doug Allis" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!! At 10:58 AM 10/16/03 -0400, Doug Allis wrote: >Or you can do what I did when I sold my last two bikes. I (as seller) rode >it to the buyer's house and removed all tags (including Fairfax County tax When I sold my Yamaha, I used my trailer to deliver it to Centerville for him. Then I sold the trailer. When I sold the Honda, the buyer had his own trailer to pick it up with. Does anyplace around here rent motorcycle trailers? I know U-Haul rents generic ones, but I've never seen a motorcycle trailer there. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 12:23:32 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:22:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Was Re: Re: Riding in, now Coolant To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Is there a way to test your coolant to see that the > mix is? > I remember the motorpool guys doing a density test on the coolant to make sure it was good but I don't know exactly what they did. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 12:33:59 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:33:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Re: Riding in To: DC-Cycles --- Paul Wilson wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Meyer" > > > > > > > > > > 50/50 is good down to '23 degrees or something like that. .. > > > > OOPS, that was supposed to read MINUS (-) 23 degrees. > > > > Bob > > > > Yeah, if it ever gets down to -23 in DC. I think the lowest temps I > have > ever experienced was -17 (F) back home in Ohio. That's "don't lick a > metal > flagpole" cold. I don't think it's ever been below zero in the five > years > I've lived in DC. > Yea but the wind chill will get you ;-) > Short version of this story: 50/50 mix is all you need around here, > unless > you plan on riding to North Dakota in mid-winter or something. > Good info, thanks and thanks again Bob. > As for winter prep, I prep the rider, not the bike. :) If it gets > below > 20, that's "I hope the Gerbing's don't blow a fuse" cold. Speaking of > which: carry adequate extra clothing just in case your electrics crap > out. > Electrics are nice, but don't get yourself in a situation where you're > relying on them. Dress in layers; mittens are warmer than gloves. All > that > stuff Mom taught you. Heh, I grew up mainly in San Diego and San Francisco. When I got to Mt. Airy I damn near froze the first winter when waiting at the school bus stop. And then died in the summer from the allergies and humidity. > Also, carry a stocking cap with you. Full face > helmets are generally pretty warm, but you'll need something on your > head > when the helmet comes off. I'm using the Gerbings jacket liner and wear long-johns so I'm mainly pretty warm but a stocking cap would be a good idea. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 12:34:41 2003 From: "Bruce N" To: Subject: Re: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!! Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:32:32 -0400 In Virginia you can get a three day trip permit to pick up or deliver a vehicle. It only costs $5 and you can print it out online. https://www.dmv.state.va.us/dmvnet/trip_permit/intro.asp Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 12:35:35 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:35:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 10:58 AM 10/16/03 -0400, Doug Allis wrote: > Does anyplace around here rent motorcycle trailers? I know U-Haul rents > generic ones, but I've never seen a motorcycle trailer there. > Actually, since we sold the truck, I'm more interested in a single or double bike trailer. I haven't searched seriously yet though. > -- Mike B. > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 12:37:56 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:37:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Skip wrote: > Rob Sharp wrote: > > Of course don't ride like a a-hole and you should be ok. I didn't get > pulled > > over but if I did I was gonna say hey I just bought it and I am riding > him. > > ARGH! first with the kissing shafts, now you "riding him" > Ahh, now I understand why we call our vehicles "she" and "her". ;-) > I'll chalk it up under: > "things you never wanted to know about your friends" > "ever" > > :~) > > --skip > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 13:08:58 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: RE: Was Re: Re: Riding in, now Coolant Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:08:49 -0400 Yes, that's the correct term. However, if you do a google search on hydrometer you'll find them for just about everything EXCEPT anti-freeze testing. Google "antifreeze tester," however, and you'll find hundreds of them. Bob > > From: Michael Lynch > Hydrometer. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Kitchell [SMTP:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:34 AM > > To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX; Carl Schelin; DC-Cycles > > Subject: Was Re: Re: Riding in, now Coolant > > > > Is there a way to test your coolant to see that the > > mix is? > > > > --- Bob Meyer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Carl Schelin > > > > > > > Hey, for anyone who rides water cooled bikes in > > > the winter, are there any > > > > preps to make for winter? I have 50/50 > > > coolent/water. > > > > > > > > > > 50/50 is good down to '23 degrees or something like > > > that. As long as it's fairly fresh, you should be > > > fine. Make sure you check your tire pressures: when > > > the temp drops so will your pressure. > > > > > > Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 > > > '02 ST1100A, > > > '92 ST1100, > > > '02 919, "Asphalt" > > > > > > If you can't be a good example, then you'll just > > > have to be a horrible warning. > > > > > > > > > ===== > > www.deanforamerica.com > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 13:16:29 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Skip Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!! Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:16:39 -0500 X-Spam-Level: * Riding HOME!!! Man I almost corrected my post but I figure people would know I meant riding home. Rob -- Rob Sharp SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Skip To: Rob Sharp Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:58:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!! > Rob Sharp wrote: > > Of course don't ride like a a-hole and you should be ok. I didn't get pulled > > over but if I did I was gonna say hey I just bought it and I am riding him. > > ARGH! first with the kissing shafts, now you "riding him" > > I'll chalk it up under: > "things you never wanted to know about your friends" > > :~) > > --skip ------- End of Original Message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 13:16:54 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: "Paul Wilson" , "Carl Schelin" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Re: Riding in Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:16:46 -0400 Much below about 35 degrees I don't ride. Not because it's too cold (with electric gloves and vest I'm fine), but because there's too much chance of hitting ice hidden in the shadows. It's just not worth the risk to me. Bob > > From: "Paul Wilson" > > ----- Original Message ----- > Short version of this story: 50/50 mix is all you need around here, unless > you plan on riding to North Dakota in mid-winter or something. > > As for winter prep, I prep the rider, not the bike. :) If it gets below > 20, that's "I hope the Gerbing's don't blow a fuse" cold. snip Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 '02 ST1100A, '92 ST1100, '02 919, "Asphalt" If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 13:41:15 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:40:04 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Mike Bartman CC: Doug Allis , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!! Mike Bartman wrote: > Does anyplace around here rent motorcycle trailers? I know U-Haul rents > generic ones, but I've never seen a motorcycle trailer there. > > -- Mike B. Yes. U-Haul in Merrifield VA rents an M/C trailer - $19/day I think - local use only, which means turn it back in to the Merrifield U-Haul office. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 14:08:53 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'rmeyer9@XXXXXX'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: RE: Was Re: Re: Riding in, now Coolant Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:12:22 -0400 You're absolutely right, Bob. It's a shame that people have been increasingly losing grasp of proper technical terms for items and replacing them with "common term" type names. It's a pattern of dumbing down of society that is a real shame. For giggles (not googles) I looked hydrometer up at dictionary.com. def:An instrument used to determine specific gravity, especially a sealed, graduated tube, weighted at one end, that sinks in a fluid to a depth used as a measure of the fluid's specific gravity. Sounds kinda like the floaty thing you described with the colored balls floating to measure specific gravity. The one I have in the garage is Prestone brand and works great. Not sure what they call it, but I call it a hydrometer. Indeed, a google search gave me the Prestone site, where in item #7, they say to use a hydrometer to check the ethylene-glycol coolant. http://www.prestone.com/tips/page3.htm HTH, Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Meyer [SMTP:rmeyer9@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:09 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: RE: Was Re: Re: Riding in, now Coolant > > Yes, that's the correct term. However, if you do a google search on > hydrometer you'll find them for just about everything EXCEPT anti-freeze > testing. Google "antifreeze tester," however, and you'll find hundreds of > them. > > Bob > > > > > From: Michael Lynch > > > Hydrometer. > > > > Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mark Kitchell [SMTP:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:34 AM > > > To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX; Carl Schelin; DC-Cycles > > > Subject: Was Re: Re: Riding in, now Coolant > > > > > > Is there a way to test your coolant to see that the > > > mix is? > > > > > > --- Bob Meyer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Carl Schelin > > > > > > > > > Hey, for anyone who rides water cooled bikes in > > > > the winter, are there any > > > > > preps to make for winter? I have 50/50 > > > > coolent/water. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 50/50 is good down to '23 degrees or something like > > > > that. As long as it's fairly fresh, you should be > > > > fine. Make sure you check your tire pressures: when > > > > the temp drops so will your pressure. > > > > > > > > Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 > > > > '02 ST1100A, > > > > '92 ST1100, > > > > '02 919, "Asphalt" > > > > > > > > If you can't be a good example, then you'll just > > > > have to be a horrible warning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > www.deanforamerica.com > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 14:27:42 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:25:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Ice (was: Re: Re: Riding in) To: DC-Cycles --- Bob Meyer wrote: > Much below about 35 degrees I don't ride. Not because it's too cold > (with electric gloves and vest I'm fine), but because there's too much > chance of hitting ice hidden in the shadows. It's just not worth the > risk to me. > I've ridden in the past two years and had two close calls with ice. Once getting off of the 14th street bridge. The right lane on the regular roads had a bit of ice on the right side and again on Independance a few blocks down the road. Still, I understand, especially if you're coming in from a more suburban location. > Bob > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 14:31:58 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:32:15 -0400 To: "William J. Huson" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Trailers, rental, one each. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 01:40 PM 10/16/03 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: >Mike Bartman wrote: > >> Does anyplace around here rent motorcycle trailers? I know U-Haul rents >> generic ones, but I've never seen a motorcycle trailer there. >> >> -- Mike B. > >Yes. U-Haul in Merrifield VA rents an M/C trailer - $19/day I think - local use >only, which means turn it back in to the Merrifield U-Haul office. Thanks! I'll check some of the places up here then. Might be handy if I ever need to take the bike in for service. :^) I'd get a trailer of my own, but the covenants around here say you can't leave that sort of thing lying around outside, and I don't have room in my garage even for one of the fold up trailers. Time to consider moving I think... -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 14:32:09 2003 From: rjmoran@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Don Zimmer's Head (not much Moto, sorry) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:31:49 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cmptb3JhbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== That Pedro made Roger Clemens look like a saint by his (admittedly) childish and petulant antics on (and off) the mound last Sunday is a stretch only a true Yankee fan could make. Clemens is a headhunter from way back, the most obvious example being his beaning of Mets' catcher Mike Piazza in 2000, and his subsequent total loss of composure during that year's World Series when he tried to hit Piazza with his own (broken) bat. Clemens and Pedro are both old-school headcases who despise being bested to the point that, when it happens, they are liable to check out of reality for a minute or two and who knows what happens then...God love 'em both. Zimmer is a cantankerous, hemmorhoid-laden cuss, who forgot that he's a 72 year-old bench coach who shouldn't be attacking people less that half his age if he doesn't want to end up on the ground. Anyway...Red Sox. Yankees. ALCS. Game Seven. Tonight. RPM P.S. I'll be riding my bike home from work tonight, since I rode it in here this morning. In fact, I think I'll leave early and head west for a bit before I settle down in front of the TV for an evening of yelling my head off. I'll be headed West on Rt. 50 to Aldie, wearing a blue "Suzuki Racing" jacket and riding an RC51. I'll wave if I see you. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 14:36:13 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:36:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Ice (was: Re: Re: Riding in) To: Carl Schelin , DC-Cycles I had an incident with ice last year that did not end well. Black ice on Fla Ave. Did not see it, hit it and went woosh onto my ass. No bad damage to my already totally skidded 91 VFR. A bit of embarassment. Now I was travelling less than 10mph. I do not want to think about what would have happened at a higher speed. --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > --- Bob Meyer wrote: > > Much below about 35 degrees I don't ride. Not > because it's too cold > > (with electric gloves and vest I'm fine), but > because there's too much > > chance of hitting ice hidden in the shadows. It's > just not worth the > > risk to me. > > > > I've ridden in the past two years and had two close > calls with ice. Once > getting off of the 14th street bridge. The right > lane on the regular roads > had a bit of ice on the right side and again on > Independance a few blocks > down the road. > > Still, I understand, especially if you're coming in > from a more suburban > location. > > > Bob > > > > Carl > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 15:19:28 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:07:03 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Ice (was: Re: Riding in) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >I had an incident with ice last year that did not end >well. Black ice on Fla Ave. Did not see it, hit it >and went woosh onto my ass. No bad damage to my >already totally skidded 91 VFR. A bit of >embarassment. [Dave] It doesn't have to be that cold or even be an ice incident ... About 4 or 5 years ago, while riding one of my then favorite routes, I came to the usual road 'fork'; The road's main route went gently right, while "straight" direction went off to more twisty paths. I'd been down this road a hundred times... If not going straight, 60 + wasn't a problem even in the rain. But because of the limited sight distance, if you were going straight, you had to slow in case you were going to stop for traffic. This day was upper 40's low 50's, I went straight and started to put the power down briskly, but not stupidly... The rear tire lost traction when I crossed the road crown. It came right back, but I got some decent, and scary bar shake 1st. It was only a few degrees cooler than I was used to, and no faster or more aggressive than I'd previously taken it. At this point in the ride, my tires should've been plenty warm, ~8-10 miles from home. The black hoops are your friends! Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 16:36:36 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:36:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Riding in To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles --- Fish Flowers wrote: > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Are they waterproof? Do they bleed black dye all over > your hands when > > they get wet? > I could go dip my hands in the sink > if you'd like. No,no,no, don't waste water like that. Dip them in the toilet bowl. 8;) The bleeding is my big gripe -- I would love to find a pair of good protecting, spring/fall gloves that don't bleed when wet. It's getting expensive to buy them and find out after the fact that I arrive at work with black-stained hands. 8;( -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 16:40:11 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:40:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Riding in On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > The bleeding is my big gripe -- I would love to find a pair of good > protecting, spring/fall gloves that don't bleed when wet. The Polar-Tex gloves are too bulky for spring/fall. I switched back to my summer-weight gloves for my ride home today, f'rinstance. My FirstGear Supertech gloves (http://www.newenough.com/monthly_special/monthly_special.htm) are pretty good for fall/spring cool weather, in my opinion, and did not bleed when I got stuck in the torrential rains on Tuesday. Plus they're cheap ($29) and have relatively good protection. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 16:50:39 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:50:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Don Zimmer's Head (not much Moto, sorry) To: rjmoran@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- rjmoran@XXXXXX wrote: > That Pedro made Roger Clemens look like a saint by his > (admittedly) childish and petulant antics on (and off) the > mound last Sunday is a stretch only a true Yankee fan could > make. "Saint" was a figure of speech (you wanna-be pedants can decide which one.) And how dare you imply that I'm a true Yankee fan just because I was named after Yogi Berra (Lawrence Peter) and born on Mickey Mantle's birthday (October 20)? > Clemens is a headhunter from way back.... Of course. He started his pro career in Boston, didn't he? >... when he tried to hit Piazza with his own (broken) bat. Had he been truly trying, he'd have come a lot closer than he did. Even *I* would have come a lot closer than he did. > Clemens and Pedro are both > old-school headcases who despise being bested to the point > that, when it happens, they are liable to check out of > reality for a minute or two and who knows what happens > then...God love 'em both. Yep. Maybe we'll see tonight. > Zimmer is a cantankerous, hemmorhoid-laden cuss, who forgot > that he's a 72 year-old bench coach who shouldn't be > attacking people less that half his age if he doesn't want > to end up on the ground. Agreed, except that only a Red Sox fan would know about the hemorrhoids. > Anyway...Red Sox. Yankees. ALCS. Game Seven. Tonight. Yep. Wish I were watching it at Boston Beer Works with my Yankee hat on... 8;) It would be kinda cool if the Sox won, but the edge is gone with the Cubs losing. Bummer. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 16:54:06 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Ice (was: Re: Riding in) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Dave Yates wrote: > >I had an incident with ice last year that did not end > >well .... > > [Dave] It doesn't have to be that cold or even be an ice > incident ... Yeah. Some truck left an almost invisible spill of black gravel at 26th and Crystal Drive in Crystal City yesterday, and I damn near lost the 919 making my usual hard right-hand turn feeding into an immediate left-hander. It took a right-boot jab to keep it upright. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 17:12:56 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:12:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Riding in To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles So, now we know. Larry is the reason behind all those signs that remind us not to take merchandise into the rest rooms. I always wondered about that. Leon. --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > --- Fish Flowers wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > Are they waterproof? Do they bleed black dye all > over > > your hands when > > > they get wet? > > I could go dip my hands in the sink > > if you'd like. > > No,no,no, don't waste water like that. Dip them in > the toilet > bowl. 8;) > -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 17:35:39 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:34:33 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Mike Bartman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trailers, rental, one each. Mike Bartman wrote: > Thanks! I'll check some of the places up here then. Might be handy if I > ever need to take the bike in for service. :^) > > I'd get a trailer of my own, but the covenants around here say you can't > leave that sort of thing lying around outside, and I don't have room in my > garage even for one of the fold up trailers. Time to consider moving I > think... > > -- Mike B. YES! MOVE, and make sure to attend one last `hood meeting and moon the anal retentive bastards! Add a vigorous two-handed single finger salute on your way out. Covenents suck, clearly against one's constitutional right of pursuit of happiness. I'm very happy here in go-to-hell acres with not one but FOUR trailers, a couple trucks, a car and four scoots. Bill -> my house, my land! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 17:39:12 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:38:06 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" CC: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Riding in "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > --- Fish Flowers wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > Are they waterproof? Do they bleed black dye all over > > your hands when > > > they get wet? > > I could go dip my hands in the sink > > if you'd like. > > No,no,no, don't waste water like that. Dip them in the toilet > bowl. 8;) > > The bleeding is my big gripe -- I would love to find a pair > of good protecting, spring/fall gloves that don't bleed when > wet. It's getting expensive to buy them and find out after > the fact that I arrive at work with black-stained hands. 8;( > > -- Larry E-Z solution - wear latex gloves under them! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 17:43:11 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:42:01 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Short Note "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > ...lots about moto patents. > > Bill, do you have patent numbers, or the US class where you > found most of them? > > Thanks -- Larry Hmmm... seem to have misplaced my notebook with oddball patents, I'll look for it. Or next time I'm cruising the public search room I'll fire up the ol' EAST system and do a keyword search. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 19:01:15 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:00:37 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Fwd: MSF Instructor Program To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX to the instructors on the list. a guy out in IL put together a list of "deal for instructors" page and his data was short on details. here are some details. Now why! didn't VA tell me/us about this I wonder? Or was I asleep? --- Deanna King wrote: > From: "Deanna King" > To: > Subject: MSF Instructor Program > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:43:35 -0700 > > Dear Matthew: > > In regards to your message earlier today. We believe one of the best > forms > of product acknowledgment is when a professional such as an MSF > Instructor > tells a student about the product they use. 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No wonder Leon spends so much time out of town. 8;) I try to do my bit for store security, too. For example, you know those little black plastic stick-on thingies, about 2-1/2 inches long, 1/4 inch wide, 1/8 inch thick, that you find in books, on blister packs, etc. for those stores that have to de-activate them at the register? I carry a non-deactivated one in my wallet at all times. Works wonders for my attitude, wandering in and out of stores. -- Larry --- Leon Begeman wrote: > So, now we know. Larry is the reason behind all those > signs that remind us not to take merchandise into the > rest rooms. I always wondered about that. > > Leon. > --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > > --- Fish Flowers wrote: > > > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > Are they waterproof? Do they bleed black dye all > > over > > > your hands when > > > > they get wet? > > > I could go dip my hands in the sink > > > if you'd like. > > > > No,no,no, don't waste water like that. Dip them in > > the toilet bowl. 8;) > > > -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 22:19:48 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:19:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Ride In This Evening To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That's right. One of our servers had a disk service light on and I'm the on-call guy so here I am. We had the Sun tech come out because someone disconnected the floppy cable on our system. The light can come on for no apparent reason and if a reboot clears it, no harm no foul. But since someone disconnected the cable we had to come out. Ah well, it's a fast three hours of pay. But on the way in, speaking of motorcycles, I was watching the semi's race up 95. Man, they drove those things like sports cars (or sport bikes :-) They weaved in and out of traffic and drove faster than I did. Of course I stayed in the left lane and didn't try to pass while I was in the cluster of semi's. Nice ride other than that though. Later, I'm on my way home. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 22:23:49 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:23:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Sensors (was: Re: Riding in) To: DC-Cycles Welcome brother. I too have one in my wallet. I shall listen for your warbling call and look for your smiling countenance. I also have an office tag which causes the security sensors here buzz. They assume it's one of my CDs and just wave me through. Later, Carl --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > Boy, you try to do your bit for conservation, and that's what > you get. > > No wonder Leon spends so much time out of town. 8;) > > I try to do my bit for store security, too. For example, you > know those little black plastic stick-on thingies, about > 2-1/2 inches long, 1/4 inch wide, 1/8 inch thick, that you > find in books, on blister packs, etc. for those stores that > have to de-activate them at the register? > > I carry a non-deactivated one in my wallet at all times. > Works wonders for my attitude, wandering in and out of > stores. > > -- Larry > > --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > So, now we know. Larry is the reason behind all those > > signs that remind us not to take merchandise into the > > rest rooms. I always wondered about that. > > > > Leon. > > --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > > > --- Fish Flowers wrote: > > > > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are they waterproof? Do they bleed black dye all > > > over > > > > your hands when > > > > > they get wet? > > > > I could go dip my hands in the sink > > > > if you'd like. > > > > > > No,no,no, don't waste water like that. Dip them in > > > the toilet bowl. 8;) > > > > > -- Larry > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 22:39:25 2003 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:38:59 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: The Sound of Paradise Ducati Desmosedici MotoGP bike..... http://www.ducati.com/docs_eng/photogallery_races/images/sounds/0304mgpstraight/desmosedici_straight.mp3 Oh man.........oh.....man....... -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 16 22:54:53 2003 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles \(Dc-Cycles\)" Subject: RE: Riding in Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:54:38 -0400 A plug for my employers: All the gloves we sell are guaranteed to not bleed. And the waterproof gloves really are. Check out www.adventuremotogear.com end LindaT. http://www.customtankbags.com Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: pltrgyst@XXXXXX [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 4:37 PM To: Fish Flowers; DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Riding in --- Fish Flowers wrote: > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Are they waterproof? Do they bleed black dye all over > your hands when > > they get wet? > I could go dip my hands in the sink > if you'd like. No,no,no, don't waste water like that. Dip them in the toilet bowl. 8;) The bleeding is my big gripe -- I would love to find a pair of good protecting, spring/fall gloves that don't bleed when wet. It's getting expensive to buy them and find out after the fact that I arrive at work with black-stained hands. 8;( -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 08:12:25 2003 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:10:28 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "Dc-Cycles \" , "LindaT." "@dirty.meretrix.com Subject: Waterproof non-bleeding gloves [was Riding in Are the gloves really waterproof? For how long, and in how much rain? thanks, Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "LindaT." Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:54:38 -0400 >A plug for my employers: > >All the gloves we sell are guaranteed to not bleed. And the waterproof >gloves really are. Check out www.adventuremotogear.com > >end > >LindaT. >http://www.customtankbags.com >Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings >Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) >AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW >99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy >95 F3 Purple Haze >00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: pltrgyst@XXXXXX [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 4:37 PM >To: Fish Flowers; DC-Cycles >Subject: Re: Riding in > > >--- Fish Flowers wrote: >> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: >> >> > Are they waterproof? Do they bleed black dye all over >> your hands when >> > they get wet? >> I could go dip my hands in the sink >> if you'd like. > >No,no,no, don't waste water like that. Dip them in the toilet bowl. 8;) > >The bleeding is my big gripe -- I would love to find a pair >of good protecting, spring/fall gloves that don't bleed when wet. It's >getting expensive to buy them and find out after the fact that I arrive at >work with black-stained hands. 8;( > >-- Larry > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 08:28:41 2003 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 05:28:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Riding in To: "Dc-Cycles \(Dc-Cycles\)" This is just for you guys' information. When I went to Deal's Gap a few months ago, I forgot my warmer gloves. I stopped at Witts in Manassas and picked up a pair of "Wind Proof, Rain Proof" Harley gloves. The label says: Shell: Genuine Waterproof Leather Lining: 100% Nylon Laminated Insulation: Aquatex Waterproof Insert The only problem I've had is the slightly clammy feeling while riding. Taking off the gloves show dry hands though. No bleeding problem. $95 for the Harley brand. Carl --- "LindaT." wrote: > A plug for my employers: > > All the gloves we sell are guaranteed to not bleed. And the waterproof > gloves really are. Check out www.adventuremotogear.com > > end > > LindaT. > http://www.customtankbags.com > Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings > Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pltrgyst@XXXXXX [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 4:37 PM > To: Fish Flowers; DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: Riding in > > > --- Fish Flowers wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > Are they waterproof? Do they bleed black dye all over > > your hands when > > > they get wet? > > I could go dip my hands in the sink > > if you'd like. > > No,no,no, don't waste water like that. Dip them in the toilet bowl. 8;) > > The bleeding is my big gripe -- I would love to find a pair > of good protecting, spring/fall gloves that don't bleed when wet. It's > getting expensive to buy them and find out after the fact that I arrive > at > work with black-stained hands. 8;( > > -- Larry > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 09:13:31 2003 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 06:13:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Riding Home To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX There was an accident on the way home last night just before Edsall road. The two right lanes were closed for repairs and it looks like 4 cars needed to be in the same space. I don't think anyone was hurt. More like a four car fender bender than anything else. There was a couple of mile backup of course. At one point, on the hill past Duke, I shut off the bike (which was overheating) and simply rolled down until we passed the HOV onramp (closed of course). Anyway, I noticed someone on a light colored sportbike (gray maybe) in the right lane as he went by (you know how it is. The lane with no accident is the slowest lane, the lane that's blocked is the fastest). About a mile or so after the accident, he was in the blocked off area in front of a big black pickup and with two cops. Of course this also briefly blocked traffic. It's always something. There was no apparent damage to the bike or truck. My initial speculation was an altercation then that the biker was in the blocked area just as other cars were in their attempt to exit onto 495 without waiting in a short line. No way to know, unless of course you're on the list :-) Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 14:16:24 2003 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:16:06 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: This is cool. Concept bike from Yamaha http://ymedc.introweb.nl/en/archive/street/mt03.shtml -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 14:35:15 2003 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:35:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: This is cool. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Concept bike from Yamaha > > http://ymedc.introweb.nl/en/archive/street/mt03.shtml > No wonder us bigger guys ride cruisers :-) > -Sean Jordan > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 14:39:08 2003 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: Re: This is cool. Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:33:05 -0400 little upset that Yamaha is not importing XT660X to U.S. http://ymedc.introweb.nl/en/archive/enduro/xt660_2004.shtml Bought MZ Skorpion Tour recently so it doesn't really matter anymore for me, ha! --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track #881) 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Jordan" To: Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:16 PM Subject: This is cool. > Concept bike from Yamaha > > http://ymedc.introweb.nl/en/archive/street/mt03.shtml > > -Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 15:01:58 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:01:51 EDT Subject: Re: Short Note To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/16/2003 7:04:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > And there's the AB vests and an AB full coverage suit Hmmmm. A vest filled with explosives. It has been done. Try to get that through security downtown anywhere..... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 15:17:13 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:17:06 EDT Subject: Re: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/16/2003 1:43:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > U-Haul in Merrifield VA rents an M/C trailer - $19/day I think The $19(etc.) on the back of U-Haul shituff does _not_ say $19 per. day. It says something like $19 per rental or rental period. The bastards will do their best to rent the same truck/trailer 3 or more times a day and lie through their teeth to do so. Do not ask, but I own my own trailer now. And I am not bitter. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 15:24:29 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:24:03 EDT Subject: Re: Ice (Free advice about it) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/16/2003 2:33:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dm_gsxr@XXXXXX writes: > I've ridden in the past two years and had two close calls with ice. _Now_ is the time to start looking out for places where ice can or may form. As you ride look for wet spots, shadow areas on the road, bridges and overpasses. Then when winter hits you should have a good idea of where to be to avoid ice on the road. (An example is a wet spot on MD210, near my home, it is always there. So I avoid that spot when riding in winter. (I did forget one night, WHOOOOHOOOO. Two wheel slide anal pucker holyfuck.)) Loud pipes quell cells. 20-20 hindsight shows the future if you are not careful. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 15:52:49 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:52:04 EDT Subject: Re: my idea but better To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/10/2003 5:22:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > my idiotic idea was a small arm extending from teh helmet > with a mirror attached. can you say "wind resistance" and > "neck fatigue"? Used to be a thing called a Visor Vu. It was a visor with a mirror on each corner, had one and used it all the time in dirt competition. Took some getting used to because you were only looking at the mirror with one eye, but once you did they were great, no blind spot at all, standing, sitting, wheelie, you name it and you could see behind you. On the street however the wind would get under it and it would try its best to decapitate you. (If you have ever seen "On Any Sunday" Malcolm Smith wore one. If you have not seen "On Any Sunday" Well..... If you want to continue to call yourself a biker....) Loud pipes quell cells. 20-20 hindsight shows the future if you are not careful. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 15:54:40 2003 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:54:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: This is cool. To: Shigeru Honda , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Shigeru Honda wrote: > Bought MZ Skorpion Tour recently... Cool -- where dod you buy it? The only dealer I've seen lately is up in Philadelphia. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 16:00:46 2003 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: Re: This is cool. - MZ Skorpion Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:54:58 -0400 I bought it from Tim Morrow who posted FS on this list. yeah, having no dealer in the area worries me a little but engine parts can be purchased from Yamaha, I guess. --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track #881) 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Shigeru Honda" ; Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:54 PM Subject: Re: This is cool. > --- Shigeru Honda wrote: > > > Bought MZ Skorpion Tour recently... > > Cool -- where dod you buy it? The only dealer I've seen > lately is up in Philadelphia. > > -- Larry > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 16:30:50 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This is cool. Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:30:38 -0400 Yeah, it's cool. But so was the MT-1. So what? If Yamaha actually BUILDS some of these things then I might get excited, but not until then. > > From: Sean Jordan > Date: 2003/10/17 Fri PM 02:16:06 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: This is cool. > > Concept bike from Yamaha > > http://ymedc.introweb.nl/en/archive/street/mt03.shtml > > -Sean Jordan > > Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 '02 ST1100A, '92 ST1100, '02 919, "Asphalt" If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 16:30:57 2003 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:30:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: On Any Sunday (was Re: my idea but better) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Am I the only one who thought "On Any Sunday" sucked donkey balls? Watching that movie was like sitting through a bad social studies filmstrip. I watched it a second time just to try to figure out if I was missing something, since every biker seems to think this is the holy grail of moto videos. To me it just seems really, really dated. I guess it was cool to see some footage of Steve McQueen riding, but I just didn't find it that interesting. And that soundtrack?! Where do I begin? It sounded like the theme song to "Love American Style." Someone please tell me what I missed. I'd honestly like to know. Teach me, sensei. Cheers, Chris Weaver --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > (If you have ever seen "On Any Sunday" Malcolm Smith > wore one. If you have > not seen "On Any Sunday" Well..... If you want to > continue to call yourself a > biker....) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 16:36:58 2003 From: Jason Picton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: This is cool. Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:36:18 -0400 The good news is with KTM bringing in the new Vtwin Duke - the single cyclinder duke will hopefully be marked down and sold cheaply.... Jason little upset that Yamaha is not importing XT660X to U.S. http://ymedc.introweb.nl/en/archive/enduro/xt660_2004.shtml From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 17:07:32 2003 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:07:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: On Any Sunday (was Re: my idea but better) Dated yes, but a cool overall movie. I liked it. Not love, but liked. An early positive movie about biking and the people involved in it. At the time, unique. I am in Daytona for an install, experiencing Biketoberfest. At 04:30 PM 10/17/2003, Chris Weaver wrote: >To me it just seems really, really dated. I guess it >was cool to see some footage of Steve McQueen riding, >but I just didn't find it that interesting. And that >soundtrack?! Where do I begin? It sounded like the >theme song to "Love American Style." ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 17:53:22 2003 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:53:35 -0400 To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: On Any Sunday (was Re: my idea but better) At 01:30 PM 10/17/03 -0700, Chris Weaver wrote: >Someone please tell me what I missed. I'd honestly >like to know. Teach me, sensei. The '60s and early '70s. Bob Meyer, STOC # 1157 '92 ST1100, Candy Glory Red '02 ST1100 A, Candy Wineberry Red '02 919, Asphalt "Attack Life. It's going to kill you anyway." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 17:53:56 2003 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:54:13 -0400 Subject: Re: On Any Sunday (was Re: my idea but better) From: Stephen Miller To: Awesome footage. It tells the story of motorcycle racing through a personal look at a handful of living legends (well some are dead now). It captures why we ride. And the music is fine for the short time you're watching it. It makes wheelies seem like good wholesome fun. It is extremely dated. So hopefully someone can do a modern version that doesn't incite bike bans. on 10/17/03 4:30 PM, Chris Weaver at chris_vtr@XXXXXX wrote: > Am I the only one who thought "On Any Sunday" sucked > donkey balls? Watching that movie was like sitting > through a bad social studies filmstrip. I watched it a > second time just to try to figure out if I was missing > something, since every biker seems to think this is > the holy grail of moto videos. > > To me it just seems really, really dated. I guess it > was cool to see some footage of Steve McQueen riding, > but I just didn't find it that interesting. And that > soundtrack?! Where do I begin? It sounded like the > theme song to "Love American Style." > > Someone please tell me what I missed. I'd honestly > like to know. Teach me, sensei. > > Cheers, > Chris Weaver > > > --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >> (If you have ever seen "On Any Sunday" Malcolm Smith >> wore one. If you have >> not seen "On Any Sunday" Well..... If you want to >> continue to call yourself a >> biker....) > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 19:06:12 2003 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:06:25 -0400 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: On Any Sunday (in Daytona) At 05:07 PM 10/17/03 -0400, Troutman wrote: >I am in Daytona for an install, experiencing Biketoberfest. Wow, that's some seriously skillful scheduling! Congrats! :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 19:18:08 2003 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:18:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Trailers (was: Re: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!!) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/16/2003 1:43:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > U-Haul in Merrifield VA rents an M/C trailer - $19/day I think > > The $19(etc.) on the back of U-Haul shituff does _not_ say $19 per. day. > It > says something like $19 per rental or rental period. The bastards will > do their > best to rent the same truck/trailer 3 or more times a day and lie > through > their teeth to do so. > Do not ask, but I own my own trailer now. > And I am not bitter. I got one of the $19 per "day" trucks and it cost me $44 when finished after half a day. It's one of the reasons I finally bought a pick-up. > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 21:36:57 2003 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:36:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Cooters going away http://www.freelancestar.com/News/FLS/2003/102003/10162003/1135190 All of you should recognize Cooters in Sperryville ... if you have ever been up 211 that is ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org All that is now All that is gone All that's to come and everything under the sun is in tune but the sun is eclipsed by the moon. The lunatic is on the grass. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 17 22:00:55 2003 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:00:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: On Any Sunday (was Re: my idea but better) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Bob Meyer wrote: > Chris Weaver wrote: > > >Someone please tell me what I missed. I'd honestly > >like to know. Teach me, sensei. > > The '60s and early '70s. Yup. Kinda goes along with Grand Prix and Le Mans as period racing pieces, although Le Mans holds up surprisingly well just for its minimalism. The Great Escape is pretty entertaining, too, to us old farts and McQueen worshippers. Compare any of them to Days of Thunder and they fare pretty well. 8;) Off to Chicago for a pool tournament tomorrow. Maybe I'll get to see another doofus squid doing 150+ up Lakeshore Drive... -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 18 06:52:36 2003 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 06:51:22 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: On Any Sunday (was Re: my idea but better) "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > --- Bob Meyer wrote: > > Chris Weaver wrote: > > > > >Someone please tell me what I missed. I'd honestly > > >like to know. Teach me, sensei. > > > > The '60s and early '70s. > > Yup. Kinda goes along with Grand Prix and Le Mans as period > racing pieces, although Le Mans holds up surprisingly well > just for its minimalism. > > The Great Escape is pretty entertaining, too, to us old farts > and McQueen worshippers. > > Compare any of them to Days of Thunder and they fare pretty > well. 8;) And how about Endless Summer? A low/no budget surfing film. Photo quality, rather poor, but photo composition provided stunning shots. Like On Any Sunday did for scoots, Endless Summer certified surfing as a legitimate pursuit. Both films portrayed the hobby/sports in a fine light, a much needed boost for sports that were often depicted in movies as bad boys on the loose. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 18 10:34:15 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:33:58 EDT Subject: Re: On Any Sunday (was Re: my idea but better) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/17/2003 4:31:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes: > Am I the only one who thought "On Any Sunday" sucked Interesting. But I am sure you are not the only one. > To me it just seems really, really dated. And that may answer #1. It is dated, I just wish the fact that I was racing back then did not date me. > And that > soundtrack?! Hey! I own that soundtrack! (I am the only one I have ever known that actually owns it though.....) > Someone please tell me what I missed. I'd honestly > like to know. If you were racing or just really into bikes back then it is/was a great movie. For some newbies I expect it still is. I do think your statement about a social studies filmstrip makes a point though. It is social studies, about the society of riders, a society we all belong to and that makes sitting through the movie of value. (Even if you think it sucks.) > Teach me, sensei. Ride your own ride, watch your own movies. Loud pipes quell cells. 20-20 hindsight shows the future if you are not careful. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 18 22:04:18 2003 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: On Any Sunday (was Re: my idea but better) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:02:49 -0400 die, bitch, die. Just kidding. Seriously, I loved the movie, but it was full of my childhood heroes...and one of my young adulthood (that was Jeff Ward aka the Flyin' Freckle, at like 4 years old, riding the infinite wheelie on the Honda 50). I have spent much time in Barry Higgins' shop, and I am sure that the sun sets just next to Malcolm Smith. Steve McQ is the shit. He was top level rider in the dirt, he had no problems finishing in the top ten in national events. Completely dated. But charming to me. I can see your point, but respectfully, I don't agree. Based on emotion, no objectivity. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" To: Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: On Any Sunday (was Re: my idea but better) > Am I the only one who thought "On Any Sunday" sucked > donkey balls? Watching that movie was like sitting > through a bad social studies filmstrip. I watched it a > second time just to try to figure out if I was missing > something, since every biker seems to think this is > the holy grail of moto videos. > > To me it just seems really, really dated. I guess it > was cool to see some footage of Steve McQueen riding, > but I just didn't find it that interesting. And that > soundtrack?! Where do I begin? It sounded like the > theme song to "Love American Style." > > Someone please tell me what I missed. I'd honestly > like to know. Teach me, sensei. > > Cheers, > Chris Weaver > > > --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > (If you have ever seen "On Any Sunday" Malcolm Smith > > wore one. If you have > > not seen "On Any Sunday" Well..... If you want to > > continue to call yourself a > > biker....) > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 19 11:19:24 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:19:13 EDT Subject: Re: On Any Sunday (was Re: my idea but better) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/18/2003 10:04:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > Seriously, I loved the movie, but it was full of my childhood heroes... Walked past Roger De-Coster in the pits of a California motocross back about 89 when he was running the Honda team. Did not know whether to bow or say hello. So I did neither. Lost opportunity.... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 19 21:52:46 2003 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:52:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Jacket Replacement To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just to pass it on. I stopped by all three dealers looking for jackets since my $80 pawn shop leather jacket is about gone. After poking around on-line and in the dealers, we stopped by MFI and picked up a Joe Rocket Alter Ego Jacket for $225. I can't get to joerocket.com right now but if you pop over here: http://www.kneedraggers.com/index.php?partno=521-JR04-02&s=1 You can see a description. I wore it quickly today and it was less of a sail than the leather jacket. There was more room to see around my arms as well. While standing in Pitkins (ACE Hardware), in just a few minutes I was sweating so the liner seems to work pretty well. I also have a Gerbings liner and gloves which fit just fine (in test). I'm running down to F'burg in the morning so I'll see how it works. Later, Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 19 22:18:07 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trailers (was: Re: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!!) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:18:01 -0500 X-Spam-Level: * Once you have a pickup truck it's hard to go back to a car. Rob -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Trailers (was: Re: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!!) > --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 10/16/2003 1:43:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > U-Haul in Merrifield VA rents an M/C trailer - $19/day I think > > > > The $19(etc.) on the back of U-Haul shituff does _not_ say $19 per. day. > > It > > says something like $19 per rental or rental period. The bastards will > > do their > > best to rent the same truck/trailer 3 or more times a day and lie > > through > > their teeth to do so. > > Do not ask, but I own my own trailer now. > > And I am not bitter. > > I got one of the $19 per "day" trucks and it cost me $44 when > finished after half a day. It's one of the reasons I finally bought > a pick-up. > > > > > > > John. > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > > > Carl > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com ------- End of Original Message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 09:44:39 2003 Subject: Annual ticket... Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:44:11 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "DCCycles" So there I was, taking my bike out to Manassas (storage garage there) via I-66 to do some maintenance on it, Saturday afternoon, nice blue skies, cool enough to encourage me to wear all the right gear... I was idly wondering if red bikes are ticketed in greater frequency than other colors, when police car pulls along left side in the median lane. Motions me over, I turn off bike, remove helmet, ear plugs. Did I know how fast I was going? Nope, I was drafting a Suburban/Tahoe thingy. Hmmmph. Did I know the vehicle stopped behind us? Yep, my wife, following me to garage. License, please. Wrote me up for "Failure to Obey a Traffic Sign," lectured me on going 79 in a 55, warned me that 20 over was a misdemeanor (?), and not to "...sing the blues if they catch me and slap the cuffs on." Okay, so I got off lucky. I knew this area well, between the two exits for 29, and was actually paying attention to traffic, not too fast, not too slow. My wife couldn't believe it, that I was picked out of a field of miscellaneous vehicles, some going faster, and ticketed as though I was the sole scofflaw on the road that afternoon. Lesson learned; yes, red bikes do get ticketed more than grey Tahoes! ;-) Robert Verde 1983 Honda VF750F "BUDOKA" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 09:50:55 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:50:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Annual ticket... To: "Verde, Robert" , DCCycles Yikes, at least he did not ticket your WIFE too! going to court?? --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > So there I was, taking my bike out to Manassas > (storage garage there) via I-66 to do some > maintenance on it, Saturday afternoon, nice blue > skies, cool enough to encourage me to wear all the > right gear... I was idly wondering if red bikes are > ticketed in greater frequency than other colors, > when police car pulls along left side in the median > lane. > > Motions me over, I turn off bike, remove helmet, ear > plugs. Did I know how fast I was going? Nope, I > was drafting a Suburban/Tahoe thingy. Hmmmph. Did > I know the vehicle stopped behind us? Yep, my wife, > following me to garage. License, please. > > Wrote me up for "Failure to Obey a Traffic Sign," > lectured me on going 79 in a 55, warned me that 20 > over was a misdemeanor (?), and not to "...sing the > blues if they catch me and slap the cuffs on." > > Okay, so I got off lucky. I knew this area well, > between the two exits for 29, and was actually > paying attention to traffic, not too fast, not too > slow. My wife couldn't believe it, that I was > picked out of a field of miscellaneous vehicles, > some going faster, and ticketed as though I was the > sole scofflaw on the road that afternoon. > > Lesson learned; yes, red bikes do get ticketed more > than grey Tahoes! ;-) > > Robert Verde > > > 1983 Honda VF750F "BUDOKA" > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 09:54:40 2003 Subject: Re: Annual ticket... Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:54:00 -0500 From: To: Sounds like motorcycle profiling to me.... If speeding tickets were really about safety, he should have pulled the 5000LB Tahoe over. It's cool that he gave you a minor ticket though. Now do you take that one to court? George >>> Verde, Robert 10/20/03 09:44AM >>> Lesson learned; yes, red bikes do get ticketed more than grey Tahoes! ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 10:04:04 2003 Subject: RE: Annual ticket... Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:03:54 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "DCCycles" Not in this case; ticket was $30, mandatory fees of $55 (!@#%) drive the cost up to $85. For the past few years (after a ten-year hiatus) I have been getting one ticket a year, so I chalk it up to experience and try not to repeat whatever it was that caught the LEO's attention. Last year, on a cold evening in March/April, coming back from Leesburg with wife on pillion, my annual ticket was for reckless driving, 83 in a 55. That ticket cost me $140 or so in court costs, plus $500 for a lawyer... The milk of human kindness is sorely lacking in Loudon County/Rt. 7 traffic officers; it was all of 35 degrees out that night, and I was freezing, trying to get home to somewhere warm (Held gloves are nice, but need thermal over-mitts to be windproof). Leniency? Nope. At least I got to continue on my way, tow-truck was not called, so I try to count that as the silver lining! I'll just send in the check for this one. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:51 AM To: Verde, Robert; DCCycles Subject: Re: Annual ticket... Yikes, at least he did not ticket your WIFE too! going to court?? ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 10:37:10 2003 Subject: RE: Annual ticket... Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:37:04 -0400 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "Verde, Robert" , "DCCycles" > Robert Verde: > Okay, so I got off lucky. I knew this area well, between the > two exits for 29, I'm always paranoid riding down the 3+ lane strech of 66. That is the heaviest patrolled road I've ever seen, and people are still going 70-80. I try to stay away from the left lanes and hide behind traffic on the right. This way, PO in the median has a hard time radaring me through all the cars. This is in contrast to 66 east of 495, where unmarked cars are the biggest concern. (Always slow down for those Corwn Vics :) ) > Lesson learned; yes, red bikes do get ticketed more than grey > Tahoes! ;-) In the past year, I'm 5 for 5 on my blue R6. You guys on red bikes get no breaks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 10:41:10 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:40:45 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: "Verde, Robert" CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: Annual ticket... "Verde, Robert" wrote: > > lectured me on going 79 in a 55, warned me that 20 over was a misdemeanor (?) Actually, it should have been an automatic "reckless" according to the bullshit traffic laws Virginia has. Yes indeedy, you did get lucky. >From the way it was described by you, it sorta seems the officer picked you out of the crowd to "protect" you from all those big fast scary cagers around you. Yeah, I know, big help that was, eh? Horkster > 1983 Honda VF750F "BUDOKA" Hey, I remember that bike from the old MCI days! :) -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 10:42:46 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:42:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Mark Kitchell CC: "Verde, Robert" , DCCycles Subject: Re: Annual ticket... Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Yikes, at least he did not ticket your WIFE too! Seriously. Rule I have when riding/driving with the spouse in another vehicle/on her own bike. Only one of us ever gets pulled over. The other on keeps on going to the next exit. No sense giving Officer Friendly an easy two-fer. Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 10:42:51 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:41:33 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: "Verde, Robert" CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: Annual ticket... Well, us painters call certain shades of red Arrest Me Red, sort of like the famous F*** Me Red 5" sequined heels occassionally seen on ladies :-) Bill "Verde, Robert" wrote: > So there I was, taking my bike out to Manassas (storage garage there) via I-66 to do some maintenance on it, Saturday afternoon, nice blue skies, cool enough to encourage me to wear all the right gear... I was idly wondering if red bikes are ticketed in greater frequency than other colors, when police car pulls along left side in the median lane. > > Motions me over, I turn off bike, remove helmet, ear plugs. Did I know how fast I was going? Nope, I was drafting a Suburban/Tahoe thingy. Hmmmph. Did I know the vehicle stopped behind us? Yep, my wife, following me to garage. License, please. > > Wrote me up for "Failure to Obey a Traffic Sign," lectured me on going 79 in a 55, warned me that 20 over was a misdemeanor (?), and not to "...sing the blues if they catch me and slap the cuffs on." > > Okay, so I got off lucky. I knew this area well, between the two exits for 29, and was actually paying attention to traffic, not too fast, not too slow. My wife couldn't believe it, that I was picked out of a field of miscellaneous vehicles, some going faster, and ticketed as though I was the sole scofflaw on the road that afternoon. > > Lesson learned; yes, red bikes do get ticketed more than grey Tahoes! ;-) > > Robert Verde > > 1983 Honda VF750F "BUDOKA" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 10:51:37 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "William J. Huson" , "Verde, Robert" Cc: DCCycles Subject: Re: Annual ticket... Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:51:51 -0500 I have heard of Pull me over Red too. I was speeding down I90 in NY state when I lived up there. Limit is 65, I was going 75 ish and there was a out of state mini van on my right probably going 72ish. The out of state mini van got pulled over. Regards, Rob -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "William J. Huson" To: "Verde, Robert" Cc: DCCycles Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:41:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Annual ticket... > Well, us painters call certain shades of red Arrest Me Red, sort of > like the famous F*** Me Red 5" sequined heels occassionally seen on > ladies :-) > > Bill > > "Verde, Robert" wrote: > > > So there I was, taking my bike out to Manassas (storage garage there) via I-66 to do some maintenance on it, Saturday afternoon, nice blue skies, cool enough to encourage me to wear all the right gear... I was idly wondering if red bikes are ticketed in greater frequency than other colors, when police car pulls along left side in the median lane. > > > > Motions me over, I turn off bike, remove helmet, ear plugs. Did I know how fast I was going? Nope, I was drafting a Suburban/Tahoe thingy. Hmmmph. Did I know the vehicle stopped behind us? Yep, my wife, following me to garage. License, please. > > > > Wrote me up for "Failure to Obey a Traffic Sign," lectured me on going 79 in a 55, warned me that 20 over was a misdemeanor (?), and not to "...sing the blues if they catch me and slap the cuffs on." > > > > Okay, so I got off lucky. I knew this area well, between the two exits for 29, and was actually paying attention to traffic, not too fast, not too slow. My wife couldn't believe it, that I was picked out of a field of miscellaneous vehicles, some going faster, and ticketed as though I was the sole scofflaw on the road that afternoon. > > > > Lesson learned; yes, red bikes do get ticketed more than grey Tahoes! ;-) > > > > Robert Verde > > > > 1983 Honda VF750F "BUDOKA" ------- End of Original Message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 10:57:59 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:56:49 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Rob Sharp CC: "Verde, Robert" , DCCycles Subject: Re: Annual ticket... I got pulled over on the NY thruway many, many moons ago. Cop stopped me because I looked too young to be driving. True, I was 15 on a learners from MI. After explaining that I wasn't allowed to drive in New Yawk on a learners, he pointed up the road, said the Canadian border was close (my destination) and said "Please don't have an accident before you cross the border." Shazam! I be gone... Bill Rob Sharp wrote: > I have heard of Pull me over Red too. > > I was speeding down I90 in NY state when I lived up there. Limit is 65, I was > going 75 ish and there was a out of state mini van on my right probably going > 72ish. The out of state mini van got pulled over. > > Regards, > > Rob > > -- > Rob Sharp > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > Network Security Engineer > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: "William J. Huson" > To: "Verde, Robert" > Cc: DCCycles > Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:41:33 -0400 > Subject: Re: Annual ticket... > > > Well, us painters call certain shades of red Arrest Me Red, sort of > > like the famous F*** Me Red 5" sequined heels occassionally seen on > > ladies :-) > > > > Bill > > > > "Verde, Robert" wrote: > > > > > So there I was, taking my bike out to Manassas (storage garage there) via > I-66 to do some maintenance on it, Saturday afternoon, nice blue skies, cool > enough to encourage me to wear all the right gear... I was idly wondering if > red bikes are ticketed in greater frequency than other colors, when police car > pulls along left side in the median lane. > > > > > > Motions me over, I turn off bike, remove helmet, ear plugs. Did I know > how fast I was going? Nope, I was drafting a Suburban/Tahoe thingy. Hmmmph. > Did I know the vehicle stopped behind us? Yep, my wife, following me to > garage. License, please. > > > > > > Wrote me up for "Failure to Obey a Traffic Sign," lectured me on going 79 > in a 55, warned me that 20 over was a misdemeanor (?), and not to "...sing the > blues if they catch me and slap the cuffs on." > > > > > > Okay, so I got off lucky. I knew this area well, between the two exits > for 29, and was actually paying attention to traffic, not too fast, not too > slow. My wife couldn't believe it, that I was picked out of a field of > miscellaneous vehicles, some going faster, and ticketed as though I was the > sole scofflaw on the road that afternoon. > > > > > > Lesson learned; yes, red bikes do get ticketed more than grey Tahoes! ;-) > > > > > > Robert Verde > > > > > > 1983 Honda VF750F "BUDOKA" > ------- End of Original Message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 14:21:40 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:21:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Pickup (was: Re: Trailers (was: Re: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!!)) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Actually the truck is gone now too. 4.5 bikes in the garage now and Rita's car. Carl --- Rob Sharp wrote: > Once you have a pickup truck it's hard to go back to a car. > > Rob > > -- > Rob Sharp > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > Network Security Engineer > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: Carl Schelin > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Sent: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:18:04 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Trailers (was: Re: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags > NOOOOO!!!!) > > > --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/16/2003 1:43:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > U-Haul in Merrifield VA rents an M/C trailer - $19/day I think > > > > > > The $19(etc.) on the back of U-Haul shituff does _not_ say $19 per. > day. > > > It > > > says something like $19 per rental or rental period. The bastards > will > > > do their > > > best to rent the same truck/trailer 3 or more times a day and lie > > > through > > > their teeth to do so. > > > Do not ask, but I own my own trailer now. > > > And I am not bitter. > > > > I got one of the $19 per "day" trucks and it cost me $44 when > > finished after half a day. It's one of the reasons I finally bought > > a pick-up. > > > > > > > > > > > John. > > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > > > > > > Carl > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ------- End of Original Message ------- > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 16:09:31 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:09:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Dennis Rodman Crashes Motorcycle, Charged w/ DUI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100618,00.html A quick search should reveal plenty of other news outlets covering this story. Chris Weaver __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 16:35:24 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:34:15 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pickup (was: Re: Trailers (was: Re: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!!)) 4.5 bikes? Is that an average, like 2.7 children, or do you have half a bike? I have halves - a cherry `72 Honda 500F with a blown engine, and a hurting `66 Norton with no fenders, exhaust system, or electrics, which considering the electrics were Lucas may be a good thang. One whole bike, `93 FLHS, my urban commuter combat scoot and touring machine. Your qualifier is "garage". Outside my garage - one Dakota pickup, one Dodge 250 van, and Milady's car, which I'm allowed to wash and wax but not drive. Oh yeah, and two boats. Carl Schelin wrote: > Actually the truck is gone now too. 4.5 bikes in the garage now and Rita's > car. > > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 16:47:38 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:47:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Pickup (was: Re: Trailers (was: Re: Riding new bike with Someone else's tags NOOOOO!!!!)) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > 4.5 bikes? Is that an average, like 2.7 children, or do you have half a > bike? Welll. It's not a whole bike basically. 1976 Honda CB750 ???? Tallon Chopper Frame, soon to host the CB750 engine and various parts 1995 Suzuki GSXR 750W 2002 Harley-Davidson FXSTI, still in the shop (4th week) 2004 Honda Shadow VLX, soon to be in for the 600 mile warrenty check. If you go by the head serial number, I have 5 bikes. If you go by whether it's capable of running (not whether it runs) then it's 4 bikes. Split the difference. > I have halves - a cherry `72 Honda 500F with a blown engine, and a > hurting `66 > Norton with no fenders, exhaust system, or electrics, which considering > the > electrics were Lucas may be a good thang. One whole bike, `93 FLHS, my > urban > commuter combat scoot and touring machine. > I'm commuting on the Suzuki now. At least until the hawg gets fixed. Then it's swapping and playing with both. > Your qualifier is "garage". Outside my garage - one Dakota pickup, one > Dodge > 250 van, and Milady's car, which I'm allowed to wash and wax but not > drive. Basically the same idea. Rita's car, which I only drive at night is in the driveway. > Oh yeah, and two boats. > No, no boats. Rita says I have too many toys now ;-) Carl > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > Actually the truck is gone now too. 4.5 bikes in the garage now and > Rita's > > car. > > > > Carl > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 16:54:23 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:54:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Harley's still in the shop To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I just got off the phone. Another 3 to 5 days before they ship the part. With travel, probably another 2 weeks before I get her back :-( Of course, I'm being assimilated by Suzuki at the moment :-) Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 18:03:09 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:03:08 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Harley's still in the shop At 01:54 PM 10/20/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: >I just got off the phone. Another 3 to 5 days before they ship the part. >With travel, probably another 2 weeks before I get her back :-( What part are you missing, a kidney or something? Geez, they could have made any part on the bike from raw materials and humped it here on a lame mule by now... At least you aren't a mono-bike like me, so you aren't missing the great riding weather we're having at the moment! :^) I'm still working ridiculous hours, but I took some time off yesterday to go wander around Potomac for a couple of hours (Glen Mill, Glen Rd., Travilah, River Road, Seneca, etc.). 60 degrees is actually a bit warm for the FXRG jacket...had the vents open, the front zipper about 6" down, and no liner and it was still toasty...and overly warm at lights. Not that I'm complaining! Just means that 50 should be very tolerable, and 40 is a good possibility before I have to worry about long underwear! :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 18:06:15 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:06:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Harley's still in the shop To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX what part? what dealer? --- Carl Schelin wrote: > I just got off the phone. Another 3 to 5 days before they > ship the part. > With travel, probably another 2 weeks before I get her > back :-( > > Of course, I'm being assimilated by Suzuki at the moment > :-) > > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 18:31:53 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:31:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Jacket Replacement To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > The new Rider magazine says its MSRP is $179. > > Kneedraggers says 215 or so. The price before discount was > 260. I don't think a couple of bucks will kills me ;-) > Besides, I needed a new coat :-) Not a criticism of whatever you (or anyone else) paid -- and it wouldn't be the first time Rider,r any other mag, had a typo or received bogus info from a manufacturer. Just trying to be sure that MFI isn't turning into another Coleman's, which we certainly don't need. 8;) -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 19:05:00 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:04:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Jacket Replacement To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > > The new Rider magazine says its MSRP is $179. > > > > Kneedraggers says 215 or so. The price before discount was > > 260. I don't think a couple of bucks will kills me ;-) > > Besides, I needed a new coat :-) > > Not a criticism of whatever you (or anyone else) paid -- and > it wouldn't be the first time Rider,r any other mag, had a > typo or received bogus info from a manufacturer. > No problem, really. According to the Joe Rocket website, MSRP is $249. With tax it'd work out to be around $260 I guess (249*1.045=260.205), so MFI charges full price at the beginning of fall/winter riding season. I can see that :-) (With Rita's 15% discount: (249-(24.9+12.45))*1.045=221.17425) > Just trying to be sure that MFI isn't turning into another > Coleman's, which we certainly don't need. 8;) > Agreed. > -- Larry > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 19:08:52 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:08:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Harley's still in the shop To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Fuel Pump Assembly East Coast Harley in Dumfries Last December it was an incorrect shim in the timing assembly. They replaced the timing gear, the shim, a gear inside the timing gear, the timing chain and the timing tensioner. That took three weeks, I think? I believe I took it in a week prior to Thanksgiving expecting on taking a trip around the Great Lakes during Thanksgiving weekend (I took an extra three days off). Carl --- Tom Gimer wrote: > what part? what dealer? > > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > I just got off the phone. Another 3 to 5 days before they > > ship the part. > > With travel, probably another 2 weeks before I get her > > back :-( > > > > Of course, I'm being assimilated by Suzuki at the moment > > :-) > > > > Carl > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 19:14:57 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:14:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Harley's still in the shop To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 01:54 PM 10/20/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: > >I just got off the phone. Another 3 to 5 days before they ship the > part. > >With travel, probably another 2 weeks before I get her back :-( > > What part are you missing, a kidney or something? Geez, they could have > made any part on the bike from raw materials and humped it here on a > lame > mule by now... I have some sympathy for them. They don't get much money on warranty work as I understand it (and I'm sure someone will correct me :-) I'm more annoyed that I told them I didn't have the extended warranty and they were going to work on it two weeks ago. When I called later that day after finding the number (I was supposed to get a calling card too) they had to get a release from the warranty company. By the time they got that, the part had gone on back order. If I were really paranoid, I'd think they were not happy about the contract I found :-/ Fortunately, as you said, I'm not without bike transportation. > > At least you aren't a mono-bike like me, so you aren't missing the great > riding weather we're having at the moment! :^) I'm still working > ridiculous hours, but I took some time off yesterday to go wander around > Potomac for a couple of hours (Glen Mill, Glen Rd., Travilah, River > Road, > Seneca, etc.). 60 degrees is actually a bit warm for the FXRG > jacket...had > the vents open, the front zipper about 6" down, and no liner and it was > still toasty...and overly warm at lights. Yea, that's about how I felt this morning with the Joe Rocket on and the electric jacket liner/gloves. While getting ready and hitting the lights in f'burg, I started swimming in the gear. I was planning on stopping at home to drop off the extra gear but after I got moving, I realized it was tolerable and kept going on up to work. > Not that I'm complaining! > Just > means that 50 should be very tolerable, and 40 is a good possibility > before > I have to worry about long underwear! :^) > It was supposed to be 39 in f'burg this morning. With my chaps and electric gear, I was more than toasty. And I found that the vents on the jacket were open :-) > -- Mike B. > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 19:17:12 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:16:58 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Mike Bartman CC: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley's still in the shop Mike Bartman wrote: > > Geez, they could have made any part on the bike from raw materials > and humped it here on a lame mule by now... That's one of the better comments I've heard around here for a long while. Lol! Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 19:30:06 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:30:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Motorcycle SUVs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I gotta say. Coming home tonight was a tad busy. I was moving along and in front of a couple of cruisers. I saw an opening, moved to the right lane, moved up and scooted over to the left lane. I noticed one of the guys had followed me in the right lane so I moved left in the lane and left him some space so he could slide in. The other guy got behind me. We cruised down a bit when one of the tricked out touring Harleys went by (Ultra Classic I suppose). He split the lane with me (surprise), waved and then tailgated the guy in the ahead offset position. I shook my head, slowed back and then let the other guy in. We road in a pack of four for a few minutes but the guy on the Ultra changed lanes a couple of times without signaling and seemingly without worrying about the other riders in the impromptu group. He lit up a butt and fuddled about with his mic. I just thought, "motorcycle suv", moved over into a slower lane and let them power up the road. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 19:41:17 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:34:09 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Harley's still in the shop To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX A couple of years ago I had to get a left lower fairing for my ZX11. I could not find one on ebay, zx11 site, salvage yards listed in moto rags, or local yards. I had Rick @ Fastlane check, same thing. He says, about the only thing left is the dealer. I agreed & we ordered a new piece. Next day I get the news - 4-6 weeks to deliver ! "4-6 weeks?! Do they have to make it, put it on a boat to ship it here?!" answer: "Yeah, actually, they do".... ;-) >Mike Bartman wrote: >> >> Geez, they could have made any part on the bike from raw >>materials and humped it here on a lame mule by now... > >That's one of the better comments I've heard around >here for a long while. Lol! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 21:07:43 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:07:37 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Harley's still in the shop At 04:14 PM 10/20/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: >I'm more annoyed that I told them I didn't have the extended warranty and >they were going to work on it two weeks ago. When I called later that day >after finding the number (I was supposed to get a calling card too) they >had to get a release from the warranty company. By the time they got that, >the part had gone on back order. I got an "owner/warranty" ID card in the mail a few days after I got the bike. The extended warranty stuff was in the packet I got the day I picked the bike up...but no special card for it so far. I would have expected your dealer to stock things like fuel pumps...at least for TC88 and TC88B and the sportster engines. I've yet to have Battley's have to order anything except the shop manual (which wasn't printed yet at the time I got the bike in late September...got it a week later). It's all been in their parts warehouse. Of course, so far I've just been getting accessories, not *required* parts. Maybe they have a different plan for things you can't just say, "Ok, forget it then" about...or maybe all dealerships don't stock things the same way. I guess I'll find out eventually... :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 21:14:34 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:14:33 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Motorcycle SUVs At 04:30 PM 10/20/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: >I just thought, "motorcycle suv", moved over into a slower lane and let >them power up the road. Can you take shots or something for that Suzuki thing you've picked up? I think it's getting to you... :^) Sounds like jerks buy all sorts of bikes. Nice folks do the same of course. :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 21:15:38 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:14:29 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley's still in the shop Carl Schelin wrote: > I have some sympathy for them. They don't get much money on warranty work > as I understand it (and I'm sure someone will correct me :-) Unless VA law has changed, manufacturors of vehicles (powered or trailer) are required to pay the going mechanics rate in the region for warrenty work. > I'm more annoyed that I told them I didn't have the extended warranty and > they were going to work on it two weeks ago. When I called later that day > after finding the number (I was supposed to get a calling card too) they > had to get a release from the warranty company. By the time they got that, > the part had gone on back order. > > If I were really paranoid, I'd think they were not happy about the > contract I found :-/ No need to be paranoid - ALL aftermarket warrentys suck goat dicks. Bill - former Gen sales manager - boats, campers, and yes, extended warrentys at 2X markup over cost! My checkbook luved those... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 21:27:58 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:25:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Harley's still in the shop To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 04:14 PM 10/20/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: > > I got an "owner/warranty" ID card in the mail a few days after I got the > bike. Got that. > The extended warranty stuff was in the packet I got the day I > picked > the bike up...but no special card for it so far. And I have that. But the service guy said we got an extended warranty card with numbers to call and the warranty number on the card. If you don't have the card, get the number from your extended contract and write it down in your wallet. I used a permanent marker and wrote it down on the back of the HOG card, then put scotch tape over it. > > I would have expected your dealer to stock things like fuel pumps... That's just it. I just looked in the service manual for my bike and found the part they've been talking about. It's not the fuel pump but the fuel pump housing. It apparently is the mount for the various parts that make up the fuel pump/fuel gauge sending unit. Check out the EFI section in your service guide. Mine's on 9-25. Number 17. >at > least for TC88 and TC88B and the sportster engines. I've yet to have > Battley's have to order anything except the shop manual (which wasn't > printed yet at the time I got the bike in late September...got it a week > later). It's all been in their parts warehouse. Of course, so far I've > just been getting accessories, not *required* parts. Maybe they have a > different plan for things you can't just say, "Ok, forget it then" > about...or maybe all dealerships don't stock things the same way. I > guess > I'll find out eventually... :^) Well, I imagine they probably don't get much call for timing shims or fuel pump housings. I'd be happy if they pulled one out of a new one and put it in, assuming they're the same. It won't happen though :-) > > -- Mike B. > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 21:28:44 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:43:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Harley's still in the shop On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > I have some sympathy for them. They don't get much money on warranty work > > as I understand it (and I'm sure someone will correct me :-) > > Unless VA law has changed, manufacturors of vehicles (powered or trailer) are > required to pay the going mechanics rate in the region for warrenty work. I don't know how motorcycle repairs work, but for cars the tech is paid a flat hour rate for fixing problems. Like swapping an EGR would be .5hrs, whether it takes .5 or 2.5, they are paid .5. According to an online source, Ford/Lincoln techs are up in arms right now regarding this pay system, as Ford has arbitrarily cut the rate for all items by like 30% recently. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 21:29:58 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Motorcycle SUVs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 04:30 PM 10/20/03 -0700, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >I just thought, "motorcycle suv", moved over into a slower lane and let > >them power up the road. > > Can you take shots or something for that Suzuki thing you've picked up? I thought I already was *ba-dum-dump* > I > think it's getting to you... :^) > Nah. Two things here. It's not likely that I'd have been in that position had I been on the Harley. I just don't drive as agressively. I'd wouldn't have boogied up there, maybe following the other two guys. Second. Well, I've forgotten the second. I'll remember and post in a few minutes ;-) > Sounds like jerks buy all sorts of bikes. Nice folks do the same of > course. :^) > Absolutly. Same with sport bikes. It was just my thought at the time. > -- Mike B. > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 21:30:42 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:30:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Harley's still in the shop To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > I have some sympathy for them. They don't get much money on warranty > work > > as I understand it (and I'm sure someone will correct me :-) > > Unless VA law has changed, manufacturors of vehicles (powered or > trailer) are > required to pay the going mechanics rate in the region for warrenty > work. > > > I'm more annoyed that I told them I didn't have the extended warranty > and > > they were going to work on it two weeks ago. When I called later that > day > > after finding the number (I was supposed to get a calling card too) > they > > had to get a release from the warranty company. By the time they got > that, > > the part had gone on back order. > > > > If I were really paranoid, I'd think they were not happy about the > > contract I found :-/ > > No need to be paranoid - ALL aftermarket warrentys suck goat dicks. > > Bill - former Gen sales manager - boats, campers, and yes, extended > warrentys > at 2X markup over cost! My checkbook luved those... > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 21:32:38 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:32:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Harley's still in the shop To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX [let's try that one again; is not :-/ ] --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > I have some sympathy for them. They don't get much money on warranty > work > > as I understand it (and I'm sure someone will correct me :-) > > Unless VA law has changed, manufacturors of vehicles (powered or > trailer) are > required to pay the going mechanics rate in the region for warrenty > work. > See. I knew someone would know better than me. So they were just blowing smoke, eh? > > If I were really paranoid, I'd think they were not happy about the > > contract I found :-/ > > No need to be paranoid - ALL aftermarket warrentys suck goat dicks. > > Bill - former Gen sales manager - boats, campers, and yes, extended > warrentys > at 2X markup over cost! My checkbook luved those... > Hmm. I'm paying more or Harley is paying more? Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 20 23:03:12 2003 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:02:05 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley's still in the shop Carl Schelin wrote: > > Unless VA law has changed, manufacturors of vehicles (powered or > > trailer) are > > required to pay the going mechanics rate in the region for warrenty > > work. > > > > See. I knew someone would know better than me. So they were just blowing > smoke, eh? Maybe, maybe not. Factorys are notorious for *adjusting* flat rates RE warrenty work. > > > If I were really paranoid, I'd think they were not happy about the > > > contract I found :-/ > > > > No need to be paranoid - ALL aftermarket warrentys suck goat dicks. > > > > Bill - former Gen sales manager - boats, campers, and yes, extended > > warrentys > > at 2X markup over cost! My checkbook luved those... > > > > Hmm. I'm paying more or Harley is paying more? You pay. The markup on extended warrentys is 100% or more. Salesperson gets a kickback and the dealer keeps the rest. Bottom line, a vehicle salesperson can make more off the kicks from the F&I office on extended warrentys, loan interest (yes, also marked up from bank rate), and the rust & dust package than he/she does in actual commission on the sale. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 07:35:02 2003 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 04:34:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Lurking Subject: needed: lawyer recommendations for traffic court - Fairfax County To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hello All, Yesterday, I got pulled over on southbound 7100 just south of Stringfellow Rd. I was on my bike (1986 Yamaha 600 Radian). I received a ticket which I hope to fight in traffic court. Although I would like to say that I believe my statements and the lack of physical evidence would be enough to find me innocent of the offense, I'm concerned. From my experience in my previous two visits to traffic court in Fairfax County, I find the judge(s) to be deaf to the pleas of the defendants. Therefore, I intend to spend some dough to fight the charge. Anyone have recommendations for a good lawyer to represent a motorcycle rider in traffic court? On a related note, the cop that pulled me over was furious. He told me after ticketing me that many bikers had tried, some with success, at evading him in the past few months. I felt like he was taking out his frustration on me. I was polite, honest (to the best of my ability), and respectful. He ended by calling me a liar and drove off... -Kipp Elsbernd. ===== "If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste of adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome." -Anne Bradstreet __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 07:52:24 2003 From: "Laurie Holland" To: Subject: RE: lawyer for traffic court - Rappahannock County Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:52:21 -0400 On a related note, I was ticketed in Rappahannock County and am going to fight that in court. I've been trying to file for a "Motion for Discovery" but the Commonwealth Attorney told me that there is no such thing for traffic court. My research shows that that's not true. Anyone know the Virginia law on this? He doesn't want to give me any evidence before my court date, so I can't prepare my case very well. He says I can only see the radar calibration documents the day of my court date. Tell me it isn't so. :( Laurie (who rarely posts) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 08:36:18 2003 From: "Jim Caldwell" To: Subject: Question on speeding tickets Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:36:15 -0400 If your're ticketed for speeding and go to court and get the points taken off, but pay the fine, does speeding ticket end up in your driving records (in Maryland)? Jim Caldwell Owings, MD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 09:01:07 2003 Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Jim Caldwell'" , Subject: RE: Question on speeding tickets Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:00:38 -0400 Yes and the insurance companies don't really care if you got a point or not. Its still a ticket. Best thing to hope for in MD is PBJ (probation before judgement). -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Caldwell [mailto:jimcald_md@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:36 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Question on speeding tickets > > > If your're ticketed for speeding and go to court and get the > points taken > off, but pay the fine, does speeding ticket end up in your > driving records > (in Maryland)? > > Jim Caldwell > Owings, MD > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 09:18:35 2003 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:18:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: RE: Question on speeding tickets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've been a lurker for a long time, but i guess, i'll chime in. When in comes to tickets, i've gotten 6 in the past 2.5 years and have beaten all of them except one. I have been doing alot of driving so i have seen my share of the troopers (80K miles in 2 years) The best thing for you to do is to go to court and ask for available options. Typically, depending on the county or sometimes even on the judge, you options are: 1) Take it as is. (bad option) 2) Reduction to 9 mph above the speed limit (Some insurance companies like State Farm will let you have one of those for free with no consequence) 3) GO to traffic School. (The ticket usually goes away and usually there are either 4 or 8 hour courses. I have taken both and some judges allow the internet course). 4) Improper equipment. (Some counties are easier than others to do this. But if you get this option, its usually the most expensive, mine was $200, but you get away with nothing on your record.) 5) PBJ. (If you have no tickets in the past 3 years, this is the best option, but really use it when you need it.) If you have the time to go to court, its your best bet, especially if you don't have too much on your record. Ryan Santoso __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 09:34:40 2003 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:34:04 -0400 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: 12 months without a ride you know, you forget a lot about riding in twelve months, but you don't forget why you love it. a friend from another list was in need of help. he moved out to winchester from chantilly, and the movers told him they couldn't put the bike that they had agreed to move into the truck. So his Sabre was sitting on the side of the road. it had already been bumped-over once, breaking the clutch lever and the front turn signal. he couldn't find anyone to give him a lift from Winchester to Chantilly. I found someone willing to give me a lift to the bike, follow me to Winchester, and drive me back. so I do a quick check of the condition. tires are brand new, mostly unscrubbed -- no heavy leaning. front brake nice and tight, rear -- n/a. pedal goes too far to puch any further. alright, I'll just use the fronts. everything else seems fine. take it up the street and back a couple times. Folks talk about the Dunlop 205's and say how good of a grip they have, what a good valuse they are, but the downside is that they "fall into a turn". I wasn't really sure what they meant by that until yesterday. at low speeds I felt as if I was riding on a knife edge. now that could be that I was on an unfamiliar bike after not riding for a year, but I don't think so. so we head out. at the first light, there's a ton of gravel in the intersection. Nice. a test. I passed. We took 50 straight out to winchester, and I remember why I love to ride. the smell of the countryside, a smooth turn, the rocket booster throttle response. The view of the countryside, being part of the scenery, the feeling of freedom, the call of the road begging me to come and play. Can't wait to get my next bike. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 10:32:16 2003 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:32:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: 12 months without a ride To: DC Cycles All right. I'm going for a ride. Back in a hour :-) Carl --- Skip wrote: > you know, you forget a lot about riding in twelve months, but you don't > forget > why you love it. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 11:06:51 2003 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:06:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: One Daytona Pic I took one picture that typified the Datona Biketoberfest experience this weekend. http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle/corbin2-DCP01843.JPG In it, you can make out the Corbin building with a street lined with bikes. In front of that bike line is a parking lot full of trailers used to get the bikes to Daytona. One of many lots filled with trailers. I would say 10% of the riders were on sport bikes or S/Ts. The other 90% were on cruisers - mostly Harleys or customs. Of the 10% of sportbikes, 90% had on helmets and gear. Of the 90% of cruisers, 10% had on helmets and gear. The traffic was backed up some 7 miles to get to the beach area. The area around Boot Hill saloon was crazy. All vendors were in the speedway parking lot giving test rides. Very big event. If I went again, I'd plan to be near the speedway and forget the beach. I'm not big on riding 10 feet then stopping for a few minutes while traffic clears. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 14:47:57 2003 From: "rich hall" To: santosor2001@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Question on speeding tickets Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:28:34 -0400 PBJ? >From: Ryan Santoso >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Question on speeding tickets >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:18:33 -0700 (PDT) >5) PBJ. (If you have no tickets in the past 3 years, >this is the best option, but really use it when you >need it.) _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 14:53:25 2003 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:53:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Question on speeding tickets On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, rich hall wrote: > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:28:34 -0400 > From: rich hall > To: santosor2001@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Question on speeding tickets > > PBJ? Crunchy or Creamy? Grape or Strawberry? White or Wheat? > >From: Ryan Santoso > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: Question on speeding tickets > >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:18:33 -0700 (PDT) > > >5) PBJ. (If you have no tickets in the past 3 years, > >this is the best option, but really use it when you > >need it.) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet > Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 14:58:28 2003 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:58:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: RE: Question on speeding tickets To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Probation Before Judgement. Usually, this means that you don't get the ticket and will be on probation for the next 6 months (some states may vary). You only can get this if you do not have a ticket in the past 3 years. If you do however, get another ticket within the next six months, the old one will be comeback on your record. Some courts, do require that you do pay the court cost though ($100 bucks in NC). Ryan --- rich hall wrote: > PBJ? > > >From: Ryan Santoso > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: Question on speeding tickets > >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:18:33 -0700 (PDT) > > >5) PBJ. (If you have no tickets in the past 3 > years, > >this is the best option, but really use it when you > >need it.) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN > 8 Dial-up Internet > Service. Try it FREE for one month! > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 15:08:26 2003 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Question on speeding tickets Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:56:43 -0400 Ryan, Considering that I have a visit to Alleghany County (Cumberland, MD) planned for next month due to a close encounter with a State Trooper operated Radar unit in LaVale, I appreciate your suggestions. The one question I have is "When do you ask for the options"? My experience has been that the judge calls out your name and you either plead guilty or not guilty. If you plead not guilty you may have to wait until he works through the entire list. If you plead guilty, he might ask if you have anything to say before he passes judgement. I would be very happy with a PBJ, Traffic School, or even a 9-over. I got stuck with a 72 in a 55 coming down the hill from Cumberland into LaVale - about 1/2 mile before the 65 mph limit resumes. Regards, Perry >From: Ryan Santoso >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Question on speeding tickets >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:18:33 -0700 (PDT) > > >I've been a lurker for a long time, but i guess, i'll >chime in. When in comes to tickets, i've gotten 6 in >the past 2.5 years and have beaten all of them except >one. I have been doing alot of driving so i have seen >my share of the troopers (80K miles in 2 years) The >best thing for you to do is to go to court and ask for >available options. Typically, depending on the county >or sometimes even on the judge, you options are: > >1) Take it as is. (bad option) > >2) Reduction to 9 mph above the speed limit (Some >insurance companies like State Farm will let you have >one of those for free with no consequence) > >3) GO to traffic School. (The ticket usually goes away >and usually there are either 4 or 8 hour courses. I >have taken both and some judges allow the internet >course). > >4) Improper equipment. (Some counties are easier than >others to do this. But if you get this option, its >usually the most expensive, mine was $200, but you get >away with nothing on your record.) > >5) PBJ. (If you have no tickets in the past 3 years, >this is the best option, but really use it when you >need it.) > > >If you have the time to go to court, its your best >bet, especially if you don't have too much on your >record. > >Ryan Santoso > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 15:23:10 2003 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: When is it lane splitting/filtering? To: DC Cycles In DC we have many streets (4 lane total, 2 lane each way with double yellow) with the far right lane used for parking except during ruch hour. During rush hour that lane is used for traffic. The 'parking' lane is identical to the normal traffic lane. When cars are legally parked in the right lane, there is (almost always) plenty of room to safely ride a motorcycle there, fully in that right lane. So, is it lane splitting or filtering to ride in that lane, even when cars are parked there? Thanks ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 15:31:50 2003 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: RE: Question on speeding tickets To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have been ticketed in MD once which i did end up going to court. This was 5 years back in college and i got busted for 75 in 55 (plus reckless for doing beyond 15mph of the limit) on a ratty old RZ350 no less. Most of the time, with my other tickets, you deal with the Assistant District Attorneys. They are the ones that give you the "options" and you tell them your choice. Once you accept it, you go to the judge to say "guilty" to the reduced charges. In my case in MD, there was no ADA and i had to speak to the judge directly. It was my first ticket and pleaded guilty with an explanation. He ended up reducing it to 9-above PLUS the six month probation because of the reckeless. This was several years back and things may have changed a little. I guess, by now you all think i have alot of tickets, which I do. But, call it youthful exuberance, and i think i've grown out of it....:) Ryan --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Ryan, > > Considering that I have a visit to Alleghany County > (Cumberland, MD) planned > for next month due to a close encounter with a State > Trooper operated Radar > unit in LaVale, I appreciate your suggestions. The > one question I have is > "When do you ask for the options"? > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 15:32:49 2003 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:32:45 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: When is it lane splitting/filtering? At 03:23 PM 10/21/2003, Mark Kitchell wrote: >So, is it lane splitting or filtering to ride in that >lane, even when cars are parked there? If you are sharing the lane with another vehicle, it is still lane splitting. Also - that is the one section of the road I am least likely to split on in D.C. Some tourist swings their door open and you are lunchmeat. Argh. I have great respect for the bike messengers in D.C. They get away with amazing feats of daring and stupidity. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 16:19:20 2003 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:19:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: When is it lane splitting/filtering? To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > So, is it lane splitting or filtering to ride in > that > lane, even when cars are parked there? If it's in DC, who cares what it's called. Just be reasonable about doing it and you'll be fine. Leon. When I first read DC's slogan "Taxation without Representation" I thought it was a protest. Now that DC is proposing a commuter tax, I realize the statement is their policy. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 16:20:11 2003 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:20:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: When is it lane splitting/filtering? To: Leon Begeman , DC Cycles I do, I was just wondering the technicalities. --- Leon Begeman wrote: > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > So, is it lane splitting or filtering to ride in > > that > > lane, even when cars are parked there? > > If it's in DC, who cares what it's called. Just be > reasonable about doing it and you'll be fine. > > Leon. > When I first read DC's slogan "Taxation without > Representation" I thought it was a protest. Now > that > DC is proposing a commuter tax, I realize the > statement is their policy. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 16:30:08 2003 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:25:15 -0400 To: "Perry Coleman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Question on speeding tickets At 02:56 PM 10/21/03 -0400, Perry Coleman wrote: >I would be very happy with a PBJ, Traffic School, or even a 9-over. I got >stuck with a 72 in a 55 coming down the hill from Cumberland into LaVale - >about 1/2 mile before the 65 mph limit resumes. So how fast were you really going? (Ya might want to avoid answering that until after your court date... :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 20:09:50 2003 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:09:41 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Parts wanted To: DC Cycles Posting for a friend. He is looking for the exhaust system for a 1990 Suzuki Vulcan 500. Best price he's found so far is $700, but I am not sure how hard he has looked. Anyone wanting to offload some Vulcan parts please call Michael at 202-271-7708. Any suggestions on where to look can get emailed to me (or to the list). Thanks! patti __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 21:19:12 2003 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Work Log Subject: FS: 1997 Yamaha YZF1000R To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hi Everybody-- johnny come lately lurker here. Red & White 13k miles $4500 Please email me for pics. Will deliver to the DC metro & Chesapeake bay area. Sportbike of the Year. This bike beat out the Honda CBR1100XX, Suzuki GSXR, and Kawasaki ZX11 for the top honors. Bike is in very good & stock condition. I am the single adult owner of this motorcycle. Recent D207 tires, new battery. There are no fluid leaks on this bike. Extras include: rear wheel stand, factory service manual, parts manual, extra K&N air filter, carbon fiber can, and assorted other parts that I've collected over the time that I've owned the bike. Great all around & great running bikes. Peace, Dave 703-582-5625 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 21 23:08:43 2003 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:02:22 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: dcpatti CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Parts wanted X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [141.157.64.87] at Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:08:35 -0500 dcpatti wrote: >Posting for a friend. He is looking for the exhaust >system for a 1990 Suzuki Vulcan 500. Best price he's >found so far is $700, but I am not sure how hard he >has looked. Anyone wanting to offload some Vulcan >parts please call Michael at 202-271-7708. Any >suggestions on where to look can get emailed to me (or >to the list). > >Thanks! > >patti > > Patti, Although Suzuki and Kawasaki are joining forces to go up against Big Red. Suzuki never made a Vulcan 500 in 1990. If they had, or you find that the bike really is some other type of Suzuki, I'll be happy to spread the word for you and your friend. Steven C. Di Pietro Interim National Director The Suzuki Owners Club -USA 16 W. Jeffrey Street Baltimore Md. 21225-1713 http://www.soc-usa.org 1996 Suzuki Katana 600 2001 Suzuki Marauder 800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 07:34:11 2003 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 04:34:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Question on speeding tickets To: Ryan Santoso , rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX upon what is your information based? there are no hard and fast rules for pbjs -- duration, availability, conditions, or imposition of court costs. getting the right judge is well over half the battle. the prosecutor may oppose pbj, but sentencing is solely in the discretion of the judge. --- Ryan Santoso wrote: > > Probation Before Judgement. Usually, this means that > you don't get the ticket and will be on probation for > the next 6 months (some states may vary). You only can > get this if you do not have a ticket in the past 3 > years. If you do however, get another ticket within > the next six months, the old one will be comeback on > your record. Some courts, do require that you do pay > the court cost though ($100 bucks in NC). > > Ryan > > > --- rich hall wrote: > > PBJ? > > > > >From: Ryan Santoso > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >Subject: RE: Question on speeding tickets > > >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:18:33 -0700 (PDT) > > > > >5) PBJ. (If you have no tickets in the past 3 > > years, > > >this is the best option, but really use it when you > > >need it.) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 07:44:54 2003 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 04:44:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Question on speeding tickets To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Ryan, > > Considering that I have a visit to Alleghany County > (Cumberland, MD) planned > for next month due to a close encounter with a State > Trooper operated Radar > unit in LaVale, I appreciate your suggestions. The one > question I have is > "When do you ask for the options"? > > My experience has been that the judge calls out your name > and you either > plead guilty or not guilty. If you plead not guilty you > may have to wait > until he works through the entire list. If you plead > guilty, he might ask if > you have anything to say before he passes judgement. > > I would be very happy with a PBJ, Traffic School, or even > a 9-over. I got > stuck with a 72 in a 55 coming down the hill from > Cumberland into LaVale - > about 1/2 mile before the 65 mph limit resumes. perry, consider retaining an attorney if your insurance rates are potentially affected by a conviction. as a rule, folks should make the state carry its burden of proof. if you cannot oppose the evidence and argue sentencing on your behalf, consider retaining a professional to do it for you. most judges will explain the "deals" they are offering in bulk during opening words to the attendees. however, as indicated in another post, judges are free to impose sentencing of their choice (within the law), so feel free to suggest pbj w/ community service, etc. in order to avoid record conviction. if you don't retain an attorney, and for some reason there IS a state's attorney assigned to the traffic docket (not usually the case for minor traffic violations), you may be able to negotiate a deal with him/her (subject always to court approval). get there early and talk it over. bring your driving record if it is clean. if it's ugly, whoopsie! forgot to bring a copy. call an attorney in the jurisdiction in question for more guidance and possible representation. note: this isn't legal advice and the receipt of it doesn't create an attorney-client relationship. > >From: Ryan Santoso > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: Question on speeding tickets > >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:18:33 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >I've been a lurker for a long time, but i guess, i'll > >chime in. When in comes to tickets, i've gotten 6 in > >the past 2.5 years and have beaten all of them except > >one. I have been doing alot of driving so i have seen > >my share of the troopers (80K miles in 2 years) The > >best thing for you to do is to go to court and ask for > >available options. Typically, depending on the county > >or sometimes even on the judge, you options are: > > > >1) Take it as is. (bad option) > > > >2) Reduction to 9 mph above the speed limit (Some > >insurance companies like State Farm will let you have > >one of those for free with no consequence) > > > >3) GO to traffic School. (The ticket usually goes away > >and usually there are either 4 or 8 hour courses. I > >have taken both and some judges allow the internet > >course). > > > >4) Improper equipment. (Some counties are easier than > >others to do this. But if you get this option, its > >usually the most expensive, mine was $200, but you get > >away with nothing on your record.) > > > >5) PBJ. (If you have no tickets in the past 3 years, > >this is the best option, but really use it when you > >need it.) > > > > > >If you have the time to go to court, its your best > >bet, especially if you don't have too much on your > >record. > > > >Ryan Santoso ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 09:19:32 2003 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 06:19:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Sterling Man Dies in Motorcycle Accident To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sad news... :^( http://www.leesburg2day.com/current.cfm?catid=6&newsid=7912 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 09:31:12 2003 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:31:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: Sterling Man Dies in Motorcycle Accident >Sad news... :^( > >http://www.leesburg2day.com/current.cfm?catid=6&newsid=7912 > I passed by a yellow sportsbike that had been in an accident at the very end of 270 before the last exit this morning at 9am. Police and a tow truck were there - but I didn't see the rider. It looks like a big older car might have been involved. Hope everyone was ok... Erick From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 12:23:50 2003 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:23:46 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Re: Parts wanted To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Cc: DC Cycles --- Suzuki never made a Vulcan 500 My Bad, had a blonde moment. We are looking for parts for a kawasaki Vulcan 500. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 15:55:55 2003 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:55:47 -0400 (EDT) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: Chris Weaver cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sterling Man Dies in Motorcycle Accident On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Chris Weaver wrote: > Sad news... :^( > > http://www.leesburg2day.com/current.cfm?catid=6&newsid=7912 > Much less sad with some details filled in. -J Oct 22, 2003 -- The Loudoun County Sheriff)B’s Office charged a Sterling man with involuntary manslaughter in relation to a motorcycle crash Monday that resulted in the death of Jason Allbright. Sheriff)B’s Office Spokesman Kraig Troxell said Kevin Lee Judkins, 26, was charged after an investigation determined that he was apparently racing Allbright, 31, of Sterling, in the Countryside area. Judkins was driving a 2003 Honda Civic. http://www.leesburg2day.com/current.cfm?newsid=7916 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 15:56:04 2003 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:55:55 -0400 From: Skip To: Mark Kitchell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: When is it lane splitting/filtering? Mark Kitchell wrote: > When cars are legally parked in the right lane, there > is (almost always) plenty of room to safely ride a > motorcycle there, fully in that right lane. > > So, is it lane splitting or filtering to ride in that > lane, even when cars are parked there? if you're sharing a lane, yes. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 17:04:34 2003 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:20:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: DC charity ride? A biker buddy at work told me he'd heard there was a charity ride in the DC area this weekend to benefit battered women. Does anyone know about it? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 17:24:51 2003 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:11:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: DC charity ride? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX How about one for battered men (or better yet, spouses) or survivors of prostate or colon cancer? Carl --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > A biker buddy at work told me he'd heard there was a charity ride in the > DC area this weekend to benefit battered women. Does anyone know about > it? > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 21:21:32 2003 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:21:07 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC charity ride? Wayne Edelen wrote: > > A biker buddy at work told me he'd heard there was a charity ride in the > DC area this weekend to benefit battered women. And to think I've been eating mine plain all this time. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 21:53:44 2003 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:53:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Next Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well, I'm on the road again tomorrow afternoon. We're invited to my niece's wedding on Long Island and rather than ride the bike home and then north again, Rita and Jasmine will take Rita's car (presumably) and I'll head out from work. Since the Harley's still in the shop and I really don't want to take the VLX :-) I guess I'm stuck with the Suzuki ;-) While it's going to be a fast ride up, I'll be checking out Streets & Trips to find a more interesting ride home since we're leaving Sunday and I don't have to be back to work until Tuesday. This time Rita's in a car so I don't have to be quite so... cautious. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 22:01:35 2003 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:17:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: DC charity ride? On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Dale Horstman wrote: > Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > > A biker buddy at work told me he'd heard there was a charity ride in the > > DC area this weekend to benefit battered women. > > And to think I've been eating mine plain all this time. :) I take it from the hilarious ;-) replies that there isn't anything like this going on this weekend? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 22:19:05 2003 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:17:56 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Dale Horstman CC: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC charity ride? Dale Horstman wrote: > Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > > A biker buddy at work told me he'd heard there was a charity ride in the > > DC area this weekend to benefit battered women. > > And to think I've been eating mine plain all this time. :) > > Horkster Huh? Dale, I thought you were strictly a shaft drive guy... Bill - Altoid mints for extra spice :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 22:23:43 2003 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:22:35 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Next Ride Carl Schelin wrote: > Well, I'm on the road again tomorrow afternoon. > > We're invited to my niece's wedding on Long Island and rather than ride > the bike home and then north again, Rita and Jasmine will take Rita's car > (presumably) and I'll head out from work. > > Since the Harley's still in the shop and I really don't want to take the > VLX :-) I guess I'm stuck with the Suzuki ;-) > > While it's going to be a fast ride up, I'll be checking out Streets & > Trips to find a more interesting ride home since we're leaving Sunday and > I don't have to be back to work until Tuesday. > > This time Rita's in a car so I don't have to be quite so... cautious. > > Carl > Well, you will be on Longgisland, and will have to pass thru New Yawk city, so don't throw all your caution to the fickle wind. Tis turned into a zoo since those sleepy days in the `50s when I lived there. Southern shore marsh rat, all my relitives are clamdiggers... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 23:11:50 2003 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:11:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: DC charity ride? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > A biker buddy at work told me he'd heard there was a > charity ride in the DC area this weekend to benefit battered > women. Ahhh, skip the batter -- roll your own. They're a lot tastier with just a little oil and seasoning... -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 22 23:37:17 2003 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:30:56 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: DCCycles Subject: SUV's X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [141.157.64.87] at Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:37:07 -0500 I saw a TV program talking about the proliferation of SUV's on the road the other day. Knowing that SUV's are a similar bane to Motorcyclists as Soccer Mom's, I thought you'd be interested that the our government gives a $25,000.00 tax break to people who get an SUV and use it for a certain percentage towards their business. Anyone know more about this? I'd like to make it an issue among Motorcyclists. Steven C. Di Pietro Interim National Director The Suzuki Owners Club -USA 16 W. Jeffrey Street Baltimore Md. 21225-1713 http://www.soc-usa.org 1996 Suzuki Katana 600 2001 Suzuki Marauder 800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 00:50:55 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:51:03 -0400 To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" , DCCycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: SUV's At 11:30 PM 10/22/03 -0400, Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: > > I saw a TV program talking about the proliferation of SUV's on the >road the other day. Given the CAFE standards and the way they are causing the average car to shrink away from "adult sizes", I'm not at all surprised that SUVs are proliferating. There's one at my house. It was that or a pickup truck...the cars are all too small these days. Heck, most of the SUVs were too small too! >Knowing that SUV's are a similar bane to Motorcyclists as Soccer Mom's, How do you "know" this? I don't have any problem with them. It's crappy drivers that are my main problem, whether I'm on my bike or in my SUV, and whether they are in an SUV or a Honda Civic...or a bike. >I thought you'd be interested that the >our government gives a $25,000.00 tax break to people who get an SUV and >use it for a certain percentage towards their business. > Anyone know more about this? Never heard of it. Sounds like an urban legend to me. The government gives "tax breaks" to businesses for lots of things. Pretty much anything needed to generate the income they pay taxes on is deductible...sometimes in the year they spend it, sometimes spread over a number of years (how many depends on what the item is). Doesn't matter whether it's an SUV, a stamping press, uniforms, electricity or sodas for customers. "income tax" is only paid on "income"...that's net profit, not gross income. The difference is the cost of doing business...such as buying SUVs, and other things. >I'd like to make it an issue among Motorcyclists. Don't bother. If anyone listened to motorcyclists we'd have free parking everywhere, and our own lanes on the highways...in the interests of clean air, traffic congestion elimination, and gas conservation of course. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 01:08:13 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:08:35 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: DC charity ride? At 05:20 PM 10/22/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >A biker buddy at work told me he'd heard there was a charity ride in the >DC area this weekend to benefit battered women. Does anyone know about >it? October 26. 2003. 2nd Annual Freedom Run for the Kids. This run is to help our kids in traumatic situations. Admission is one new stuffed animal and a $5.00 minimum dontation. We will be leaving Freedom Bail Bonding at 1:00 pm sharp for a approximately 60 mile ride around Fairfax County returning to Freedoom Bail Bonding for food and drinks...Rain or Shine, BYOB. All makes and models of bikes, and antique cars welcome. There will be door prizes and awards for many different catagories. For futer info or directions call Bike & Rider at 804-224-9106 or Freedom Bail Bonding at 888-401-7200 Freedom Bail Bonds 10610 Main St Fairfax VA 22030. That's from: http://www.virginiawind.com/events/index.asp -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 06:10:42 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 06:09:27 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: SUV's True on the tax break. In fact, 25K is the downsized version, it was 100K. The rules to qualify are percentage of business use, an easy one. Anyone can declare themselves a business. And - are you ready - the vehicle has to exceed a set gross weight which I seem to recall is over three tons. Hummers and other mega-SUVs qualify, my 4WD Dakota at a wimpy ~4,500 pounds doesn't, nor does my full size Dodge 250 van. You can thank G Dubya and rich frat boy crew for that tax break. Bill "Steven C. Di Pietro" wrote: > I saw a TV program talking about the proliferation of SUV's on the > road the other day. Knowing that SUV's are a similar bane to > Motorcyclists as Soccer Mom's, I thought you'd be interested that the > our government gives a $25,000.00 tax break to people who get an SUV and > use it for a certain percentage towards their business. > Anyone know more about this? I'd like to make it an issue among > Motorcyclists. > > Steven C. Di Pietro > Interim National Director > The Suzuki Owners Club -USA > 16 W. Jeffrey Street > Baltimore Md. 21225-1713 > http://www.soc-usa.org > 1996 Suzuki Katana 600 > 2001 Suzuki Marauder 800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 06:11:44 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 06:11:33 -0400 (EDT) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" cc: DCCycles Subject: Re: SUV's On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: > Motorcyclists as Soccer Mom's, I thought you'd be interested that the > our government gives a $25,000.00 tax break to people who get an SUV and > use it for a certain percentage towards their business. There is a provision to write off the cost of a vehicle with a GVW above (I think the limit is 5000lbs) if used XX% for business use. It was intended to reduce the costs for small business to get trucks, and other 'heavy' duty vehicles. These regs were passed in the days that anything over 5000lbs was a pickup, or bigger. -jd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 07:20:56 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 04:20:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: An Ode To Widder. 39 at Andrews AFB this morning. When it's cold, I sing. Therefore, I bring you the first five lines of the Widder Christmas Song. On the fifth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me: FIVE TOASTY TOES! [0] Four heated limbs Three switch cords Two 'lectric gloves And a vest from Ojai! [1] [0]: Why not ten? I dunno, my true love is weird. [1]: Pronounced "oh-jay-ee" to preserve the rhyme. Actually, I've been in a bit of a low-level fume for the past couple of weeks. I'd ordered a new switch cord and pigtail, and they never arrived. First I was mad at Widder for sitting on my order, until I remembered they'd sent me an email when it shipped. Then I was mad at UPS for being slow, until I actually ran the tracking number and found out it was delivered two weeks ago. Then I was mad at those russum frussum young whippersnappers for making off with my Widder box, and what in the name of dear sweet Cthulhu do they want with switch cords anyway? Then I found the box this morning in the upstairs bedroom, so now I can be mad at myself, I guess. Also note that I only have the vest, but my is it nice and toasty warm. Mm. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:09:51 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:25:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DCCycles Subject: Re: SUV's On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 jdonovan@XXXXXX wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: > > > Motorcyclists as Soccer Mom's, I thought you'd be interested that the > > our government gives a $25,000.00 tax break to people who get an SUV and > > use it for a certain percentage towards their business. > > There is a provision to write off the cost of a vehicle with a GVW above > (I think the limit is 5000lbs) if used XX% for business use. It was > intended to reduce the costs for small business to get trucks, and other > 'heavy' duty vehicles. These regs were passed in the days that anything > over 5000lbs was a pickup, or bigger. > > -jd Bill is right, the weight is above 6,000lbs. Steven, why is this an issue for motorcyclists? Bad drivers are the issue, not the type of vehicle. You'll be just as dead hitting a 2,500lb car or a 6,500lb truck. There isn't a difference if you're on a 700lb motorcycle. If the issue is one of environmental concern, I have no argument for you there :-) And yes, I have a vehicle over 6,000lbs at home. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:17:27 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:16:43 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Going out in style? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From Today's Wash. Post Metro section: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2716- 2003Oct22.html Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:20:32 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: An Ode To Widder. Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 8:20:24 -0400 > > From: Fish Flowers > > Also note that I only have the vest, but my is it nice and toasty warm. Oh, get yourself some gloves, too. You won't believe how wonderful they are! (I personally have a slight preference for the Gerbing gloves over the Widder's (having used both), but either brand is wonderful. I can't believe I rode so many years without them. Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 '02 ST1100A, '92 ST1100, '02 919, "Asphalt" If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:24:55 2003 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" , "Steven C. Di Pietro" CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: Re: SUV's Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 8:24:48 -0400 > > From: "William J. Huson" > True on the tax break. In fact, 25K is the downsized version, it was > 100K. The rules to qualify are percentage of business use, an easy one. > Anyone can declare themselves a business. And - are you ready - the vehicle > has to exceed a set gross weight which I seem to recall is over three > tons. Hummers and other mega-SUVs qualify, my 4WD Dakota at a wimpy ~4,500 > pounds doesn't, nor does my full size Dodge 250 van. You can thank G Dubya > and rich frat boy crew for that tax break. I have no love for W, but you can't blame this one on him. The tax break has been in effect for years. But it's only recently that vehicles intended for personal (as apposed to farm and business) use have exceeded 6000 lbs. The tax break was intended for farm trucks, delivery vans, and bigger. Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 '02 ST1100A, '92 ST1100, '02 919, "Asphalt" If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:27:17 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:23:08 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: An Ode To Widder. To: DC-Cycles Fish brightened our day with: >39 at Andrews AFB this morning. When it's cold, I sing. >Therefore, I bring >you the first five lines of the Widder Christmas Song. > >On the fifth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me: >FIVE TOASTY TOES! [0] >Four heated limbs >Three switch cords >Two 'lectric gloves >And a vest from Ojai! [1] > >[0]: Why not ten? I dunno, my true love is weird. >[1]: Pronounced "oh-jay-ee" to preserve the rhyme. > [Dave] POOF! Henceforth, you are the official DC Cycles Bard. You'll have to be available for holidays and special occaisions. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:30:05 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:45:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: DC charity ride? On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 05:20 PM 10/22/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: > >A biker buddy at work told me he'd heard there was a charity ride in the > >DC area this weekend to benefit battered women. Does anyone know about > >it? > > October 26. 2003. 2nd Annual Freedom Run for the Kids. This run is to help > our kids in traumatic situations. Admission is one new stuffed animal and a > $5.00 minimum dontation. [...] > > http://www.virginiawind.com/events/index.asp Thanks. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:30:48 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SUV's Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:09:59 -0400 I park for free downtown and get to use HOV or is that not what you meant? >From: Mike Bartman >To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" , DCCycles > >Subject: Re: SUV's >Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:51:03 -0400 > >Don't bother. If anyone listened to motorcyclists we'd have free parking >everywhere, and our own lanes on the highways...in the interests of clean >air, traffic congestion elimination, and gas conservation of course. _________________________________________________________________ Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. https://broadband.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:32:30 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:31:20 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX CC: "Steven C. Di Pietro" , DCCycles Subject: Re: SUV's Bob Meyer wrote: > > > > From: "William J. Huson" > > > True on the tax break. In fact, 25K is the downsized version, it was > > 100K. The rules to qualify are percentage of business use, an easy one. > > Anyone can declare themselves a business. And - are you ready - the vehicle > > has to exceed a set gross weight which I seem to recall is over three > > tons. Hummers and other mega-SUVs qualify, my 4WD Dakota at a wimpy ~4,500 > > pounds doesn't, nor does my full size Dodge 250 van. You can thank G Dubya > > and rich frat boy crew for that tax break. > > I have no love for W, but you can't blame this one on him. The tax break has been in effect for years. But it's only recently that vehicles intended for personal (as apposed to farm and business) use have exceeded 6000 lbs. The tax break was intended for farm trucks, delivery vans, and bigger. > > Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 True, but I seem to recall Dubya's influence on raising the break to $100,000, a move that was canned after much screeching from the opposition. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:40:11 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:40:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: An Ode To Widder. On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Dave Yates wrote: > Henceforth, you are the official DC Cycles Bard. Oof, bad plan. You _don't_ want to hear my singing, which is why I only do it inside a full-face helmet. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:40:24 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:37:01 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: SUV's To: DCCycles Wayne echoed: >Bad drivers are the issue, not the type of vehicle. You'll >be just as dead hitting a 2,500lb car or a 6,500lb truck. >There isn't a difference if you're on a 700lb motorcycle. [Dave] It seems that the bad drivers of which you speak seem to migrate in droves to several kinds of vehicles - SUV's, Minivans, cop cars, Lexii, BMW's etc... And let us not forget tricked out Honda Civics with 4" exhaust ! But the SUV's are a little more difficult to see around from a bike... > >If the issue is one of environmental concern, I have no >argument for you there :-) [Dave] I read where the Late '01 - '04 Lightnings are Low Emissions Vehicles(LEV's). Can't speak for the whole truck line though. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:40:57 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:56:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Importing bikes Does anyone have experience or suggestions for importing a motorcycle? A friend of mine living in Belgium will be returning to the US in about a year and was considering buying a bike over there and bringing it home with him. He has a race car that he looked in to importing and it was a major pain, even though the car was sold in the US. Shipping was about $4000. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:41:14 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:40:05 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Wayne Edelen CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: SUV's Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 jdonovan@XXXXXX wrote: > > > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: > > > > > Motorcyclists as Soccer Mom's, I thought you'd be interested that the > > > our government gives a $25,000.00 tax break to people who get an SUV and > > > use it for a certain percentage towards their business. > > > > There is a provision to write off the cost of a vehicle with a GVW above > > (I think the limit is 5000lbs) if used XX% for business use. It was > > intended to reduce the costs for small business to get trucks, and other > > 'heavy' duty vehicles. These regs were passed in the days that anything > > over 5000lbs was a pickup, or bigger. > > > > -jd > > Bill is right, the weight is above 6,000lbs. > > Steven, why is this an issue for motorcyclists? Bad drivers are the > issue, not the type of vehicle. You'll be just as dead hitting a 2,500lb > car or a 6,500lb truck. There isn't a difference if you're on a 700lb > motorcycle. > > If the issue is one of environmental concern, I have no argument for you > there :-) > > And yes, I have a vehicle over 6,000lbs at home. :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ True, even a Honda Civic can ruin a fine ride. I have two concerns over the tax break - it is contrary to environmental concerns, and like many tax breaks designed for a legitimate purpose, this one is being abused to the max. My vehicle, Dakota 4WD pickup, is way too light to qualify, and I suffer from a negative tax situation. Declared as my self-employed transport vehicle, I deduct milage from the fed form but the Commonwealth of Virginia excludes the Dakota from the personal property tax relief and I have to pay the full tilt. My other annoyance with this heavy vehicle tax break, it is a perc for rich pricks. I sure can't afford to buy a damn Hummer or like monster machine. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:43:21 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:42:44 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: An Ode To Widder. To: DC-Cycles >On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Dave Yates wrote: > >> Henceforth, you are the official DC Cycles Bard. > >Oof, bad plan. You _don't_ want to hear my singing, which is >why I only do it inside a full-face helmet. [Dave] SIIIIILENCE! You will sing at the list's pleasure, or his benevolent excellence, the DCC LM will give the order : Off with your head ! ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:44:55 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:44:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: SUV's To: Wayne Edelen , DCCycles I hate SUVs for so many reasons. But as a motorcyclist (or even a car driver) I find them dangerous because I cannot see around them. That is my main concern on a moto. Also, they are more difficult to drive safely, have longer braking distances, etc. Again, as a motorcyclist this impacts me. --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 jdonovan@XXXXXX wrote: > > > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: > > > > > Motorcyclists as Soccer Mom's, I thought you'd > be interested that the > > > our government gives a $25,000.00 tax break to > people who get an SUV and > > > use it for a certain percentage towards their > business. > > > > There is a provision to write off the cost of a > vehicle with a GVW above > > (I think the limit is 5000lbs) if used XX% for > business use. It was > > intended to reduce the costs for small business to > get trucks, and other > > 'heavy' duty vehicles. These regs were passed in > the days that anything > > over 5000lbs was a pickup, or bigger. > > > > -jd > > Bill is right, the weight is above 6,000lbs. > > Steven, why is this an issue for motorcyclists? Bad > drivers are the > issue, not the type of vehicle. You'll be just as > dead hitting a 2,500lb > car or a 6,500lb truck. There isn't a difference if > you're on a 700lb > motorcycle. > > If the issue is one of environmental concern, I have > no argument for you > there :-) > > And yes, I have a vehicle over 6,000lbs at home. > :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:52:36 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:52:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Motorcycle Hearse To: DC Cycles Get it here http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2716-2003Oct22.html ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 08:54:44 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:54:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Next Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > Well, I'm on the road again tomorrow afternoon. > > > > We're invited to my niece's wedding on Long Island and rather than > ride > > the bike home and then north again, Rita and Jasmine will take Rita's > car > > (presumably) and I'll head out from work. > > > > Since the Harley's still in the shop and I really don't want to take > the > > VLX :-) I guess I'm stuck with the Suzuki ;-) > > > > While it's going to be a fast ride up, I'll be checking out Streets & > > Trips to find a more interesting ride home since we're leaving Sunday > and > > I don't have to be back to work until Tuesday. > > > > This time Rita's in a car so I don't have to be quite so... cautious. > > > > Carl > > > > Well, you will be on Longgisland, and will have to pass thru New Yawk > city, > so don't throw all your caution to the fickle wind. No no. Not that kind of caution. I'm mostly aware of surrounding traffic anyway and will be doubly aware on this trip. Mainly I'll be able to ride the superslab. I like back roads, especially with Rita, but it's tiring. > Tis turned into a > zoo > since those sleepy days in the `50s when I lived there. Southern shore > marsh > rat, all my relitives are clamdiggers... > Rita's from Brooklyn I think. I'm from Southern California so I don't know spit from New York. Three years ago when we visited her brother and other friends and relatives, I was much like a country bumpkin. > Bill > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 09:08:02 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 06:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: An Ode To Widder. To: DC-Cycles It was a lovely ride in this morning. Three other bikers on the road. I had my chaps and my Gerbings on. Nice warm ride all the way in. While walking to the office, one of the construction guys said that it was too cold for him and he'd put his bike away for the winter. I assured him that I'd ride every day :-) Good job though; I like to sing which explains my odd taste in music. Last five songs: Sleeping Bag, Something About You, Gimme Some Lovin', Short People, Come to Poppa :-) Carl --- Fish Flowers wrote: > 39 at Andrews AFB this morning. When it's cold, I sing. Therefore, I > bring > you the first five lines of the Widder Christmas Song. > > On the fifth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me: > FIVE TOASTY TOES! [0] > Four heated limbs > Three switch cords > Two 'lectric gloves > And a vest from Ojai! [1] > > [0]: Why not ten? I dunno, my true love is weird. > [1]: Pronounced "oh-jay-ee" to preserve the rhyme. > > Actually, I've been in a bit of a low-level fume for the past couple of > weeks. I'd ordered a new switch cord and pigtail, and they never > arrived. > First I was mad at Widder for sitting on my order, until I remembered > they'd sent me an email when it shipped. Then I was mad at UPS for being > slow, until I actually ran the tracking number and found out it was > delivered two weeks ago. Then I was mad at those russum frussum young > whippersnappers for making off with my Widder box, and what in the name > of > dear sweet Cthulhu do they want with switch cords anyway? Then I found > the > box this morning in the upstairs bedroom, so now I can be mad at myself, > I > guess. > > Also note that I only have the vest, but my is it nice and toasty warm. > Mm. > > Fish. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 09:13:55 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 06:13:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: An Ode To Widder. To: DC-Cycles --- Fish Flowers wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Dave Yates wrote: > > > Henceforth, you are the official DC Cycles Bard. > > Oof, bad plan. You _don't_ want to hear my singing, which is why I only > do > it inside a full-face helmet. > So you're a first level Bard. Everyone has to start somewhere :-) My problem is that when I start singing, the mic picks it up and cuts out the music. > Fish. > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 09:19:45 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:35:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DCCycles Subject: Re: SUV's On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Dave Yates wrote: > >If the issue is one of environmental concern, I have no > >argument for you there :-) > > [Dave] I read where the Late '01 - '04 Lightnings are Low > Emissions Vehicles(LEV's). Can't speak for the whole truck > line though. I think the biggest argument is fuel consumption, not necessarily emissions. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 09:24:31 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:40:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DCCycles Subject: Re: SUV's On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Mark Kitchell wrote: > I hate SUVs for so many reasons. > > But as a motorcyclist (or even a car driver) I find > them dangerous because I cannot see around them. That > is my main concern on a moto. > > Also, they are more difficult to drive safely, have > longer braking distances, etc. Again, as a > motorcyclist this impacts me. Again, this is bad drivers, not the vehicles. My SUV accelerates, brakes and turns better than your average 15 yr old large sedan. For those of us that need a large, powerful truck to tow/haul things, what are our choices? I have an 18' trailer that I tow long distances. A small vehicle just doesn't cut it. Long wheelbase trucks with big engines and large fuel capacities are the way to go. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 09:34:29 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:09:03 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: SUV's To: DCCycles >True, even a Honda Civic can ruin a fine ride. I have two >concerns over the tax break - it is contrary to >environmental concerns, and like many tax breaks >designed for a legitimate purpose, this one is being abused >to the max. [Dave] All the manufacturer's current line of trucks & SUV's pollute less than a diesel Rabbit from years gone by. While there may be some individuals who may personally benefit from this break, we probably all benefit from it ... This directly helps sole proprietor contractors and small contractors. When something in the house goes "KAPOW", and you don't want to be bothered with fixing it - Head for the Yellow Pages. Want to see fewer of the contractors listed in the big yellow book? start clamping down on these breaks. I don't doubt at all that there's a level of misuse of this tax break, but realistically, until we scale back the public funding for everything mentality, these kinds of breaks are a necessity. > >My vehicle, Dakota 4WD pickup, is way too light to qualify, >and I suffer from a negative tax situation. Declared as my >self-employed transport vehicle, I deduct milage from the >fed form but the Commonwealth of Virginia excludes the >Dakota from the personal property tax relief and I have to >pay the full tilt. [Dave] That's not the full story either, because the VA PP tax is deductible on your Fed tax. You makes your choices, you pays your taxes. I got reminded the hard way this year that the silly "Pyramid scheme" PP tax reimbursement only covers the 1st 20k - You're on the hook for 100% of the rest of the nut. Oh well, them's the brakes. It's not the tax cuts that are at fault here, it's the subsequent to tax cut lack of fiscal discipline. > My other annoyance with this heavy vehicle tax break, it is >a perc for rich pricks. I sure can't afford to buy a damn >Hummer or like monster machine. [Dave] I think that Hummers are overpriced, but that having been said, I don't begrudge anyone their wealth. If you mean that "Rich Pricks = anyone having more money than me", then, "Make a better widget"! > >Bill > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 09:55:57 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:51:25 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , DCCycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: SUV's At 08:25 AM 10/23/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >If the issue is one of environmental concern, I have no argument for you >there :-) I do. My SUV pollutes less than most econoboxes. Why? Because I don't drive it much. A person who commutes in a Honda Civic is going to produce more pollution per year than my SUV does while it sits in my driveway every rush hour. I work from home, and only drive to visit friends, go to the store, and take the occasional trip. I put about 4000 miles on it last year. The average commuter around here will likely put 10K or more miles on a vehicle. Now that I have the bike, I expect my annual Jeep mileage to drop even more. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 09:57:04 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:56:19 -0400 To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: SUV's It's close, but no cigar. From other posts here, there are apparently places that won't let motorcycles park at all, and other places that charge full price. As for HOV, you still have to share those with cars and busses, they aren't just for bikes. -- Mike B. At 08:09 AM 10/23/03 -0400, rich hall wrote: >I park for free downtown and get to use HOV or is that not what you meant? > >>From: Mike Bartman >> >>Don't bother. If anyone listened to motorcyclists we'd have free parking >>everywhere, and our own lanes on the highways...in the interests of clean >>air, traffic congestion elimination, and gas conservation of course. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 09:57:11 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:44:22 -0400 To: jdonovan@XXXXXX, "Steven C. Di Pietro" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: SUV's Cc: DCCycles At 06:11 AM 10/23/03 -0400, jdonovan@XXXXXX wrote: >There is a provision to write off the cost of a vehicle with a GVW above >(I think the limit is 5000lbs) if used XX% for business use. It was >intended to reduce the costs for small business to get trucks, and other >'heavy' duty vehicles. These regs were passed in the days that anything >over 5000lbs was a pickup, or bigger. It was passed in 1996, it expires in 2005, and the lower limit is 6000 lbs. It's a deduction...meaning that you have to have more than that in business income to deduct it from. No income, no tax deduction. Here's some info from http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/tax23_20030523.htm : ******************************* WASHINGTON -- A loophole that allows small-business owners to deduct $25,000 for luxury sport-utility vehicles will grow to $100,000 under the $350-billion stimulus plan expected to be approved by the Senate today and signed by President George W. Bush on Monday. The tax break applies to small businesses -- and to individuals who have set up mini-corporations for tax purposes -- when they purchase a vehicle weighing at least 6,000 pounds. The provision was created in 1996 to prevent farmers and others from being penalized by the 10-percent luxury tax on vehicles costing over $30,000 when they purchased pickup trucks and tractors. But the move toward bigger SUVs over the years has increased the number of those vehicles that qualify -- whether they are used for work or not. Thirty-eight SUV models -- including the Cadillac Escalade, Lincoln Navigator, Chevrolet Suburban 2500, Dodge Durango and the Ford Expedition -- qualify. Bush wanted Congress to increase the existing deduction to $75,000 to encourage immediate spending by small business. The House of Representatives upped the amount to $100,000. Some in the Senate, including Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., wanted to change the provision's wording to close the loophole. If the bill is enacted, the tax break will expire in 2005. ******************************* -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 10:06:13 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:59:50 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: SUV's X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [141.157.64.87] at Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:06:05 -0500 Wayne Edelen wrote: > >Steven, why is this an issue for motorcyclists? Bad drivers are the >issue, not the type of vehicle. You'll be just as dead hitting a 2,500lb >car or a 6,500lb truck. There isn't a difference if you're on a 700lb >motorcycle. > Wayne, To me it's more of a an awareness issue. SUV's are really starting to get popular and I've noticed other riders not giving the SUV's extra leeway. Most (not all) big SUV drivers, never in their life drove a heavy truck and can't handle something that big. To me, when I'm riding, I tend to give SUV's the same "Danger Designation" as inattentive drivers, Tractor Trailers and poorly maintained vehicles. When I ride, I like to be able to see several vehicles ahead of me and what they're doing. SUV's are just hard to see through or around. > >If the issue is one of environmental concern, I have no argument for you >there :-) > > Well, there is that too. :-( >And yes, I have a vehicle over 6,000lbs at home. :-) > > If EVERY SUV owner also was a Rider there wouldn't be a problem then. Riders make better Drivers (in my opinion.) Steven C. Di Pietro Interim National Director The Suzuki Owners Club -USA 16 W. Jeffrey Street Baltimore Md. 21225-1713 http://www.soc-usa.org 1996 Suzuki Katana 600 2001 Suzuki Marauder 800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 10:08:01 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:05:17 -0400 To: DCCycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: SUV's At 05:44 AM 10/23/03 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: >But as a motorcyclist (or even a car driver) I find >them dangerous because I cannot see around them. That >is my main concern on a moto. So are you in favor of limiting or banning Pickup trucks, camping trailers, motorhomes, busses, delivery trucks, vans, semis, and cement mixers (just to name a few)? Can't see around or over them either. Or are SUVs just the "flavor of the month" for the "politically correct"? >Also, they are more difficult to drive safely, have >longer braking distances, etc. It might, if it was true. My Jeep is no harder to drive than a car, and requires no more stopping distance than my old Toyota Celica....possibly a little less. Now, for those who's driving skill is lacking, a larger vehicle is harder to keep in a single lane, and I see SUVs, and pickups, and vans, and even small cars, crossing the double yellow every day...but that's just the crappy driver problem, not an SUV problem, and I've got no argument if you want to up the licensing requirements to actually require an ability to drive before issuance...so long as it applies to all vehicles...including motorcycles. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 10:08:02 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:08:23 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , DCCycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: SUV's At 09:35 AM 10/23/03 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Dave Yates wrote: >> [Dave] I read where the Late '01 - '04 Lightnings are Low >> Emissions Vehicles(LEV's). Can't speak for the whole truck >> line though. > >I think the biggest argument is fuel consumption, not necessarily >emissions. Well there at least, there's a tax *penalty* for SUVs and other larger vehicles. They burn more gas, so they pay more gas tax over the life of the vehicle. A very large percentage of what we pay at the pump is taxes. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 10:22:52 2003 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: DMV - Virginia - Notarized Bill of Sale Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:16:53 -0400 Please help... I went to DMV this morning to have the MZ Skorpion titled. But the lady (b*tch...) at DMV told me I got to have "Notarized" bill of sale. Since this bike is less than 5 years old (rules changed recently). I do have a home made bill of sale signed by the seller and me the buyer. But she won't take it and threw me out. Where do I get "Notarized" bill of sale? According to the info on DMV web page, looks like I need to fill out the "SUT-1A" form but where do I take it to have it notarized? City hall? Any help is greatly appreciated, Thanks http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/vehicles/sut.asp For a transaction between private individuals, the minimum Motor Vehicle Sales and Use Tax is calculated based on the trade-in value given in the NADA Official Used Car Guide. You must present either an Affidavit for Procurement of Title (SUT-1A) if the vehicle is 5 years old or newer (based on the model year) or a Bill of Sale if the vehicle is more than 5 years old. (The sale price placed on a title certificate by the seller is the equivalent of a Bill of Sale.) A Bill of Sale must be signed by both the seller and the buyer. --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track #881) 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 10:25:47 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Fwd: Re: SUV's To: DC Cycles Who said anything about banning?? Mike can you go one day without writing a f**king book on this list? SUVs are more difficult to drive and most of the people driving them have no experience with a truck. If you rode your motorcycle everyday you would know that SUVs pose a much bigger risk to us. 18-wheelers pose an even greater risk, but they are not so common and are not encouraged by misguided gov. regulations (or lack of) and silly marketing designed to appeal to the mose base human instinct. --- Mike Bartman wrote: > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:05:17 -0400 > To: DCCycles > From: Mike Bartman > Subject: Re: SUV's > > At 05:44 AM 10/23/03 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: > >But as a motorcyclist (or even a car driver) I find > >them dangerous because I cannot see around them. > That > >is my main concern on a moto. > > So are you in favor of limiting or banning Pickup > trucks, camping trailers, > motorhomes, busses, delivery trucks, vans, semis, > and cement mixers (just > to name a few)? Can't see around or over them > either. Or are SUVs just > the "flavor of the month" for the "politically > correct"? > > >Also, they are more difficult to drive safely, have > >longer braking distances, etc. > > It might, if it was true. My Jeep is no harder to > drive than a car, and > requires no more stopping distance than my old > Toyota Celica....possibly a > little less. > > Now, for those who's driving skill is lacking, a > larger vehicle is harder > to keep in a single lane, and I see SUVs, and > pickups, and vans, and even > small cars, crossing the double yellow every > day...but that's just the > crappy driver problem, not an SUV problem, and I've > got no argument if you > want to up the licensing requirements to actually > require an ability to > drive before issuance...so long as it applies to all > vehicles...including > motorcycles. > > -- Mike B. > > > **************************************************************************** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered > Obfuscation Obliterated * > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled > Opinions Offered * > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined > Smiles Stimulated * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* > * "We do it all! No job too small! No > price too high! * > **************************************************************************** > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 10:28:27 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:44:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: DCCycles Subject: Re: SUV's On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: > To me it's more of a an awareness issue. SUV's are > really starting to get popular and I've noticed other riders not giving > the SUV's extra leeway. Most (not all) big SUV drivers, never in their > life drove a heavy truck and can't handle something that big. To me, I agree there. People are amazed that I can pilot my truck and manuever it in small spaces the way I do, but I've been driving large vehicles all my life. While in high school, I had 2 jobs and 1 of them was excavation. I was 17yrs old and was driving on road in tandem axle dump trucks and using equipment like backhoes and front loaders. I cringe all the time in parking lots when I see drivers of large pickups and SUVs trying to park their behemoths, when they have no idea where their vehicle begins and ends. But as everyone here knows, the driving instruction and testing in this country is a joke. > when I'm riding, I tend to give SUV's the same "Danger Designation" as > inattentive drivers, Tractor Trailers and poorly maintained vehicles. > When I ride, I like to be able to see several vehicles ahead of me and > what they're doing. SUV's are just hard to see through or around. That's true, but it also applies to all large commercial vehicles. You shouldn't single out SUVs there, but rather lump them in with 'all large vehicles'. > If EVERY SUV owner also was a Rider there wouldn't be a problem then. > Riders make better Drivers (in my opinion.) No argument there. I think that for the most part, bikers make better drivers. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 10:37:59 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:21:43 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: SUV's To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >I hate SUVs for so many reasons. > >But as a motorcyclist (or even a car driver) I find >them dangerous because I cannot see around them. That >is my main concern on a moto. > >Also, they are more difficult to drive safely, have >longer braking distances, etc. Again, as a >motorcyclist this impacts me. [Dave] But by these arguments - and there is some merit - tractor trailers, hi cubes, stakebodies & transports are far more dangerous. They're not difficult to drive safely unless you drive them like you drive a sports car. My 4800 pound Lightning handles better, and stops faster than my wife's 3k pound Escort. Of course, if asked which I would want in front of me on the bike - I'd pick the Escort :-) If drivers would simply use a little common sense about piloting their uberutes, there wouldn't be any of these concerns... Okay... but it was a good dream... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 10:38:07 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:25:40 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: SUV's To: DCCycles >> [Dave] I read where the Late '01 - '04 Lightnings are Low >> Emissions Vehicles(LEV's). Can't speak for the whole truck >> line though. > >I think the biggest argument is fuel consumption, not >necessarily emissions. [Dave] Yeah, I got that covered in spades ! Still... True environmentalists ride bicycles & horses... Anyone claiming to be a friend of the environment who drives a petro-powered vehicle is a hypocrite ;-) ! This includes me. OTOH, if we paved the planet, think of all the new twisties ! Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 10:43:53 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'rmeyer9@XXXXXX'" , Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: An Ode To Widder. Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:47:18 -0400 I would be very interested in seeing some other Gerbings gloves to try on. Mine are bunchy and heat unevenly. From what everyone else says, this seems off base. Comments? Mike 98 XR400R 96 VFR 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Meyer [SMTP:rmeyer9@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:20 AM > To: Fish Flowers; DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: An Ode To Widder. > > > > > > From: Fish Flowers > > > > > Also note that I only have the vest, but my is it nice and toasty warm. > > Oh, get yourself some gloves, too. You won't believe how wonderful they > are! (I personally have a slight preference for the Gerbing gloves over > the Widder's (having used both), but either brand is wonderful. I can't > believe I rode so many years without them. > > Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 > '02 ST1100A, > '92 ST1100, > '02 919, "Asphalt" > > If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible > warning. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 10:50:56 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:50:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: SUV's To: Dave Yates , DCCycles Its a tough situation (the enviornment) and no one has all the answers. However, there are a few facts. Oil-based fuel will run out eventually. It costs us a great deal (in money, lives/war, political captial, enviornmental degredation, etc) to find and pump oil. Therefore, we should be looking towards MORE fuel efficient veichles not less. When I say we I don't only mean the government or the auto industry. I mean us. Each of us should look at our own moral compass and decide if we really need something that gets less than 15 miles (or whatever) to the gallon. It amuses me to see parents in SUVs 'protecting' their children but not considering the long term implications of more and more of us using these veichles with such piss poor mileage. Not that I am talking about our own personal decisions so as to avoid the whole 'freedom to buy whatever I want issue'. I have no desire to discuss that. And yes, there are plenty of legitimate uses for an SUV. Its just that I don't see it too often with the single lady with her double latte and cell phone driving an Excursion. --- Dave Yates wrote: > >> [Dave] I read where the Late '01 - '04 > Lightnings are Low > >> Emissions Vehicles(LEV's). Can't speak for the > whole truck > >> line though. > > > >I think the biggest argument is fuel consumption, > not > >necessarily emissions. > > [Dave] Yeah, I got that covered in spades ! > Still... True > environmentalists ride bicycles & horses... Anyone > claiming > to be a friend of the environment who drives a > petro-powered > vehicle is a hypocrite ;-) ! This includes me. > > OTOH, if we paved the planet, think of all the new > twisties ! > > Dave Yates > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 10:53:11 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:52:38 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: DMV - Virginia - Notarized Bill of Sale To: dc-cycles >Please help... > >I went to DMV this morning to have the MZ Skorpion titled. >But the lady (b*tch...) at DMV told me I got to >have "Notarized" bill of sale. Since this >bike is less than 5 years old (rules changed recently). [Dave] That's surprising (that it's new). Many, many moons ago, I ran into this hurdle at the Waldorf MVA. I called bullshit, and made them prove I needed a _notarized_ bill of sale, insisting that they show me the section of code which authorized them to have that requirement. An hour long discussion ensued, which ensnared me, 3 MVA clerks, 1 supr. and the branch manager. We had 2 Webster's unabridged sized books - MVA rules and MD annotated code. Nobody could find _anything_ supporting the requirement. After an hour I demanded they process the title / tax at the rate for the amount listed on the receipt, since there was no law authorizing the rule. They refused, I refused to go without them processing the request, and asked that the police be called over ( so I wouldn't get busted for trespass or some other BS ). he backed me, saying that so long as there was a legitimate reason for me to be at the office, they couldn't toss me, so there I stayed. Phone calls ensued, and finally, they conceded that there was no law, or administrative code backing up their 'rule', but they still wouldn't process the request. It amounted to close to a $100 difference in taxes. When the branch manager refused, the clerk super was visibly P.O.'d. I gathered she was on my side, but this time, she out & out defied the branch manager and said, Mrs. so and so, under law, we have to process the request, he's complied with all the legal rules. No go. Manager had her authority challenged and wouldn't give in. So, the Supr. looked over everything involved, spoke up and said - "is this an accurate mileage reading?" I said yes. "according to MD ... section blah, blah, this is excessive, and therefore reduces the tax assessable on the vehicle." I thought the branch manager would go into a core meltdown.... The supr told the manager "if you want to get sued, you take the paperwork & do it, otherwise we're processing the title at this level of tax." It was a small victory, taking up almost 2 1/2 hours, but I did prevail... So I know of what you speak. This was about '95 in MD... > >I do have a home made bill of sale signed by the seller and >me the buyer. But she won't take it and threw me out. > >Where do I get "Notarized" bill of sale? [Dave] Any Notary Public; You and the buyer must identify yourself to the Notary and both sign the receipt. Obviously, the receipt should be reflective of the price, VIN, seller & buyer. I don't _think_ the funds have to transfer there, but you'll have to check. >According to the info on DMV web page, looks like I need to >fill out the "SUT-1A" form but where do I take it to have it >notarized? City hall? [Dave] Banks, real estate offices, cage dealers, and lots of other large companies have Notaries. This is essentially to help the localities get their "cut" for your lavish lifestyle. There's nothing (other than legal implications and your sense of honor) to prevent you from putting down a sale price of $20.00 on any title... W/O a Notarized bill of sale, they charge you the full NADA amount. > >http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/vehicles/sut.asp >For a transaction between private individuals, the minimum >Motor Vehicle Sales and Use Tax is calculated based on the >trade-in value given in the NADA Official Used Car Guide Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 10:54:53 2003 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: DMV - Virginia - Notarized Bill of Sale Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:54:47 -0400 I remember a friend of mine saying something similar when he bought a Corvette from someone recently. The seller had to get the bill of sale notarized so that DMV has some level of assurance that the buyer didn't just print something up and claim that the sale price was $10. In my friend's case, the seller did print a lower price, so my friend could pay a little bit less in taxes. You can find a public notary at many banks. Heck, I've worked in a many offices where someone happened to be a public notary. What confuses me, is that I've always just presented the title with the transfer information filled out. And, I sold a car a few months back and the buyer never came back to me asking for a notarized bill of sale. Have they recently changed their policies? Wes Hsu > -----Original Message----- > From: Shigeru Honda [mailto:shonda3@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:17 AM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: DMV - Virginia - Notarized Bill of Sale > > Please help... > > I went to DMV this morning to have the MZ Skorpion titled. > But the lady > (b*tch...) at DMV told me I got to have "Notarized" bill of > sale. Since this bike is less than 5 years old (rules changed > recently). > > I do have a home made bill of sale signed by the seller and > me the buyer. > But she won't take it and threw me out. > > Where do I get "Notarized" bill of sale? > According to the info on DMV web page, looks like I need to > fill out the "SUT-1A" form but where do I take it to have it > notarized? City hall? > > Any help is greatly appreciated, Thanks > > > > http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/vehicles/sut.asp > For a transaction between private individuals, the minimum > Motor Vehicle Sales and Use Tax is calculated based on the > trade-in value given in the NADA Official Used Car Guide. You > must present either an Affidavit for Procurement of Title > (SUT-1A) if the vehicle is 5 years old or newer (based on the > model year) or a Bill of Sale if the vehicle is more than 5 > years old. (The sale price placed on a title certificate by > the seller is the equivalent of a Bill of Sale.) A Bill of > Sale must be signed by both the seller and the buyer. > > > > --------------------- > Shigeru Honda > 98 SuperHawk (Street) > 99 750 SS (Track #881) > 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 11:00:45 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:00:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: SUV's-correction To: DC Cycles This paragraph had a significant type Note (not NOT) that I am talking about our own personal decisions so as to avoid the whole 'freedom to buy whatever I want issue'. I have no desire to discuss that. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Its a tough situation (the enviornment) and no one > has > all the answers. > > However, there are a few facts. Oil-based fuel will > run out eventually. It costs us a great deal (in > money, lives/war, political captial, enviornmental > degredation, etc) to find and pump oil. Therefore, > we > should be looking towards MORE fuel efficient > veichles > not less. > > When I say we I don't only mean the government or > the > auto industry. I mean us. Each of us should look > at > our own moral compass and decide if we really need > something that gets less than 15 miles (or whatever) > to the gallon. > > It amuses me to see parents in SUVs 'protecting' > their > children but not considering the long term > implications of more and more of us using these > veichles with such piss poor mileage. > > Not that I am talking about our own personal > decisions > so as to avoid the whole 'freedom to buy whatever I > want issue'. I have no desire to discuss that. > > And yes, there are plenty of legitimate uses for an > SUV. Its just that I don't see it too often with > the > single lady with her double latte and cell phone > driving an Excursion. > > --- Dave Yates wrote: > > >> [Dave] I read where the Late '01 - '04 > > Lightnings are Low > > >> Emissions Vehicles(LEV's). Can't speak for the > > whole truck > > >> line though. > > > > > >I think the biggest argument is fuel consumption, > > not > > >necessarily emissions. > > > > [Dave] Yeah, I got that covered in spades ! > > Still... True > > environmentalists ride bicycles & horses... > Anyone > > claiming > > to be a friend of the environment who drives a > > petro-powered > > vehicle is a hypocrite ;-) ! This includes me. > > > > OTOH, if we paved the planet, think of all the new > > twisties ! > > > > Dave Yates > > > > > ===== > www.deanforamerica.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 11:32:30 2003 From: "Rob Keiser" To: shonda3@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DMV - Virginia - Notarized Bill of Sale Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:21:09 -0400 Check with your local bank. Many of them have Notary's there, or a manager is. At Chevy Chase, if you are a customer of theirs, there is no charge. But most likely, you'll have to draft up another copy of the bill of sale, and have the signatures witnessed by the notary. Good luck. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: DMV - Virginia - Notarized Bill of Sale Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:16:53 -0400 Please help... I went to DMV this morning to have the MZ Skorpion titled. But the lady (b*tch...) at DMV told me I got to have "Notarized" bill of sale. Since this bike is less than 5 years old (rules changed recently). I do have a home made bill of sale signed by the seller and me the buyer. But she won't take it and threw me out. Where do I get "Notarized" bill of sale? According to the info on DMV web page, looks like I need to fill out the "SUT-1A" form but where do I take it to have it notarized? City hall? Any help is greatly appreciated, Thanks http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/vehicles/sut.asp For a transaction between private individuals, the minimum Motor Vehicle Sales and Use Tax is calculated based on the trade-in value given in the NADA Official Used Car Guide. You must present either an Affidavit for Procurement of Title (SUT-1A) if the vehicle is 5 years old or newer (based on the model year) or a Bill of Sale if the vehicle is more than 5 years old. (The sale price placed on a title certificate by the seller is the equivalent of a Bill of Sale.) A Bill of Sale must be signed by both the seller and the buyer. --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track #881) 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 11:37:20 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:37:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: DMV - Virginia - Notarized Bill of Sale To: Wesleyan Hsu , "'dc-cycles'" Shigeru and anyone reading, I just IM'd Sally (my wife) who happens to be a notary. She says that you can get something notarized at most banks and that the most they can charge you (by law) is $2 per notarization. She says you must present a photo i.d. and must sign the document in front of the notary. If you really can't find a notary anywhere, let us know and we'll work out a way for Sally to do it for you. (We're in Leesburg) She says she'll only charge you $1.99. ;^) She's on the digest, so if you'd like to ask her some questions, contact me and I'll give you her email address. Chris Weaver __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 11:43:44 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:43:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: VFR models Maisto finally has a little 1:18 scale VFR. Found one on eBay the other day for a 2002 model. Still no 1997 :-( Yeah - I'm a nerd with about 40 of these little things. Their detail is great and price at (Wal-Mart, Target, K-Mart) only $2.99 or so. Sample pic ... http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/honestjonh/oct2003/vtecb.jpg ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 11:51:28 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:51:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: SUV's To: Dave Yates , DCCycles Dave said: > Still... True > environmentalists ride bicycles & horses... Horses? Are you nuts? If you think cars pollute, just imagine trying to run the economy we have with the same level of cleanliness while using horses for transportation. Anyone who can do that has a very impressive imagination! I'm quite certain that the only way to actually do something like that is with lots of magic. Leon. "Any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 12:04:26 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:24:30 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: SUV's To: DCCycles >Its a tough situation (the enviornment) and no one has >all the answers. > >However, there are a few facts. Oil-based fuel will >run out eventually. It costs us a great deal (in >money, lives/war, political captial, enviornmental >degredation, etc) to find and pump oil. Therefore, we >should be looking towards MORE fuel efficient veichles >not less. [Dave] As a matter of personal honor, as well as the revised DCC list charter, I'm prohibited from actually *agreeing* with you :-O But I won't ask what the definition of "we" is... These points are valid... and, somewhat unfortunately, our economy is driven by the automotive industry. ANY television you watch for a 30 minute period on commercial TV will have several auto ads and petro ads. I would _LOVE_ to see us come up with a viable alternative fuel source which could be readily retro fitted to current production so we could tell Saudi Arabia and OPEC to go self fornicate. > >When I say we I don't only mean the government or the >auto industry. I mean us. Each of us should look at >our own moral compass and decide if we really need >something that gets less than 15 miles (or whatever) >to the gallon. [Dave] No, we can't have any personal responsibility ! Ack ! that is also a legitimate point, but in my case, my moral compass won't tolerate econocoffins on wheels. At least on a bike, you have speed and agility on your side, with most econocoffins, they're seriously underpowered and thus limited in their ability to evade road hazards. That's not to say I don't like getting decent mileage, on the contrary... I try to keep a good eye on maintenance to keep from financially hurting myself. And I also prefer more higher performance vehicles, but that doesn't always hold the deciding edge in vehicle choice. Another issue which ought to be tackled is corporate responsibility. There's nothing I can't do at the office I can't do at home, and I'd venture to say quite a few of us here are in a similar situation. I am not permitted however to regularly telecommute, but rather, I must go ask permission. It's management attitudes like my company's which proliferate the abyssmal traffic around here. I think the government should impose a special penalty to companies like this as a "contributing to gridlock" tax, since tax incentives don't seem to have enough effect. Most of my office comes from the People's Republic, across the WW bridge into Alexandria, and they spend a minimum of 2.5 hours / day on the road. On a bad day, I spend 1 hour, and it's usually closer to 45 minutes both ways. >It amuses me to see parents in SUVs 'protecting' their >children but not considering the long term >implications of more and more of us using these >veichles with such piss poor mileage. > >Not that I am talking about our own personal decisions >so as to avoid the whole 'freedom to buy whatever I >want issue'. I have no desire to discuss that. > >And yes, there are plenty of legitimate uses for an >SUV. Its just that I don't see it too often with the >single lady with her double latte and cell phone >driving an Excursion. [Dave] There's just one flaw in that last paragraph. Double lattes are "Dakota/Durango" driver drinks, Excursion/Suburban pilots drink espresso... Not to pick nits or anything... ;-) At my former job, we had some poor high muckety muck woman who's husband bought her an Expedition. Unfortunately for her, she was only 4'8" tall, and not only couldn't reach the pedals unassisted, she *needed* the grab rail or a stepping stool just to get in ! She constantly complained about it... It was rather comical... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 12:05:54 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:06:13 -0400 To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: SUV's At 07:25 AM 10/23/03 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Who said anything about banning?? > >Mike can you go one day without writing a f**king book >on this list? Sure. Fuck off, idiot. How's that? -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 12:05:56 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:05:07 -0400 To: "Shigeru Honda" , "dc-cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: DMV - Virginia - Notarized Bill of Sale At 10:16 AM 10/23/03 -0400, Shigeru Honda wrote: > but where do I take it to have it notarized? City hall? You can get that done at any Notary Public. They exist in lots of places...call around or look in the phone book. I've found them at Rockville's County building, the local hardware store (Strosnider's Hardware, in Potomac), a real estate attorney's office and a law firm. None of those charged me anything for the service, which I thought was very nice of them! -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 12:13:48 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:13:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: SUVs On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Dave Yates wrote: > Most of my office comes from the People's Republic, across the WW bridge > into Alexandria, and they spend a minimum of 2.5 hours / day on the > road. That describes my commute -- from Bowie, PRMD into Alexandria (where 395 meets the Beltway; I think it's only technically Alexandria). 30 miles, and it generally only takes me about 40 minutes each way -- but I ride at crazy hours like 0530 in / 1400 out, or 1100 in / 2030 out. It's astonishing how much traffic you can dodge if you're willing to jerk your sleep schedule around like a puppeteer on speed. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 12:15:29 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:15:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: SUV's To: DC Cycles Come on Mike you can do better than that!!! Why not 30 paragraphs about how I should fuck off, what process I should use, where to do it, about your family's history of telling people to fuck off, some interesting anecdotes about fucking off in history and an index of all the various synonyms and antonyms for the word fuck??? You are 99% drivel dude. --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 07:25 AM 10/23/03 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: > >Who said anything about banning?? > > > >Mike can you go one day without writing a f**king > book > >on this list? > > Sure. Fuck off, idiot. How's that? > > -- Mike B. > > **************************************************************************** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered > Obfuscation Obliterated * > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled > Opinions Offered * > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined > Smiles Stimulated * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* > * "We do it all! No job too small! No > price too high! * > **************************************************************************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 12:18:21 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:18:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: SUV's To: DC Cycles Welcome to the dark side Dave (-: --- Dave Yates wrote: > > >Its a tough situation (the enviornment) and no one > has > >all the answers. > > > >However, there are a few facts. Oil-based fuel > will > >run out eventually. It costs us a great deal (in > >money, lives/war, political captial, enviornmental > >degredation, etc) to find and pump oil. Therefore, > we > >should be looking towards MORE fuel efficient > veichles > >not less. > > [Dave] As a matter of personal honor, as well as > the revised > DCC list charter, I'm prohibited from actually > *agreeing* > with you :-O But I won't ask what the definition of > "we" > is... These points are valid... and, somewhat > unfortunately, our economy is driven by the > automotive > industry. ANY television you watch for a 30 minute > period on > commercial TV will have several auto ads and petro > ads. I > would _LOVE_ to see us come up with a viable > alternative fuel > source which could be readily retro fitted to > current > production so we could tell Saudi Arabia and OPEC to > go self > fornicate. > > > > > >When I say we I don't only mean the government or > the > >auto industry. I mean us. Each of us should look > at > >our own moral compass and decide if we really need > >something that gets less than 15 miles (or > whatever) > >to the gallon. > > [Dave] No, we can't have any personal > responsibility ! > Ack ! that is also a legitimate point, > but in my > case, my moral compass won't tolerate econocoffins > on > wheels. At least on a bike, you have speed and > agility on > your side, with most econocoffins, they're seriously > > underpowered and thus limited in their ability to > evade road > hazards. That's not to say I don't like getting > decent > mileage, on the contrary... I try to keep a good > eye on > maintenance to keep from financially hurting myself. > And I > also prefer more higher performance vehicles, but > that > doesn't always hold the deciding edge in vehicle > choice. > Another issue which ought to be tackled is corporate > > responsibility. There's nothing I can't do at the > office I > can't do at home, and I'd venture to say quite a few > of us > here are in a similar situation. I am not permitted > however > to regularly telecommute, but rather, I must go ask > permission. It's management attitudes like my > company's > which proliferate the abyssmal traffic around here. > I think > the government should impose a special penalty to > companies > like this as a "contributing to gridlock" tax, since > tax > incentives don't seem to have enough effect. Most > of my > office comes from the People's Republic, across the > WW bridge > into Alexandria, and they spend a minimum of 2.5 > hours / day > on the road. On a bad day, I spend 1 hour, and it's > usually > closer to 45 minutes both ways. > > >It amuses me to see parents in SUVs 'protecting' > their > >children but not considering the long term > >implications of more and more of us using these > >veichles with such piss poor mileage. > > > >Not that I am talking about our own personal > decisions > >so as to avoid the whole 'freedom to buy whatever I > >want issue'. I have no desire to discuss that. > > > >And yes, there are plenty of legitimate uses for an > >SUV. Its just that I don't see it too often with > the > >single lady with her double latte and cell phone > >driving an Excursion. > > [Dave] There's just one flaw in that last > paragraph. Double > lattes are "Dakota/Durango" driver drinks, > Excursion/Suburban > pilots drink espresso... Not to pick nits or > anything... > ;-) > > At my former job, we had some poor high muckety muck > woman > who's husband bought her an Expedition. > Unfortunately for > her, she was only 4'8" tall, and not only couldn't > reach the > pedals unassisted, she *needed* the grab rail or a > stepping > stool just to get in ! She constantly complained > about > it... It was rather comical... > > Dave Yates > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 12:19:19 2003 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR models Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:19:08 -0400 Impressive. And even the ABS model, no less. Also, still no '98. Rob From: Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VFR models Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:43:48 -0400 Maisto finally has a little 1:18 scale VFR. Found one on eBay the other day for a 2002 model. Still no 1997 :-( Yeah - I'm a nerd with about 40 of these little things. Their detail is great and price at (Wal-Mart, Target, K-Mart) only $2.99 or so. Sample pic ... http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/honestjonh/oct2003/vtecb.jpg ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org _________________________________________________________________ See when your friends are online with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 12:21:21 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:21:46 -0400 To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: SUV's At 09:15 AM 10/23/03 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Come on Mike you can do better than that!!! > >Why not 30 paragraphs about how I should fuck off, >what process I should use, where to do it, about your >family's history of telling people to fuck off, some I'm leaving the book writing to you today. Hypocrite. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 12:22:29 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:21:40 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: An Ode To Widder. X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 You don't have to be a singer to be a bard. You just have to be able to tell/make up stories. Some would say that the original bard was a fisherman. :-) Scooter In a message dated 10/23/2003 8:40:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Dave Yates wrote: > > > Henceforth, you are the official DC Cycles Bard. > > Oof, bad plan. You _don't_ want to hear my singing, which > is why I only do > it inside a full-face helmet. > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 12:28:53 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:28:24 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: shonda3@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DMV - Virginia - Notarized Bill of Sale X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Take it to a bank. Most of them have a notary on staff. All they do is sign it and place their seal on it. A couple of our secretaries here at my office are notaries. Scooter In a message dated 10/23/2003 10:16:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, shonda3@XXXXXX writes: > > > Please help... > > I went to DMV this morning to have the MZ Skorpion titled. But the lady > (b*tch...) at DMV told me I got to have "Notarized" bill of sale. Since this > bike is less than 5 years old (rules changed recently). > > I do have a home made bill of sale signed by the seller and me the buyer. > But she won't take it and threw me out. > > Where do I get "Notarized" bill of sale? > According to the info on DMV web page, looks like I need to fill out the > "SUT-1A" form but where do I take it to have it notarized? City hall? > > Any help is greatly appreciated, Thanks > > > > http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/vehicles/sut.asp > For a transaction between private individuals, the minimum Motor Vehicle > Sales and Use Tax is calculated based on the trade-in value given in the > NADA Official Used Car Guide. You must present either an Affidavit for > Procurement of Title (SUT-1A) if the vehicle is 5 years old or newer (based > on the model year) or a Bill of Sale if the vehicle is more than 5 years > old. (The sale price placed on a title certificate by the seller is the > equivalent of a Bill of Sale.) A Bill of Sale must be > signed by both the > seller and the buyer. > > > > --------------------- > Shigeru Honda > 98 SuperHawk (Street) > 99 750 SS (Track #881) > 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 12:37:44 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:37:16 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR models X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Let me know when they make an R6. :-) Scooter In a message dated 10/23/2003 11:43:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > Maisto finally has a little 1:18 scale VFR. Found one on eBay the other > day for a 2002 model. Still no 1997 :-( Yeah - I'm a nerd with about 40 > of these little things. Their detail is great and price at > (Wal-Mart, > Target, K-Mart) only $2.99 or so. > > Sample pic ... > > http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/honestjonh/oct2003/vtecb.jpg > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 12:41:26 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:41:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: SUV's To: Mark Kitchell , Dave Yates , DCCycles --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > However, there are a few facts. Oil-based fuel will > run out eventually. No, it won't. It might become more expensive, perhaps even prohibitively expensive to some, but like "whale oil" other substitutes will be found and only a very few will use the original. > It costs us a great deal (in > money, lives/war, political captial, enviornmental > degredation, etc) to find and pump oil. Therefore, > we > should be looking towards MORE fuel efficient > veichles > not less. But we are. Back in the '60s there were very few vehicles that got better than 20 mpg. Now some of the larger SUVs can do that. Large trucks have shown even more spectacular increases. It's simply amazing how much stuff can be moved for such a small amount of fuel with the newer computer controlled diesels. > When I say we I don't only mean the government or > the > auto industry. I mean us. Each of us should look > at > our own moral compass and decide if we really need > something that gets less than 15 miles (or whatever) > to the gallon. Moral compass checked. I'll drive what I damn well please. > It amuses me to see parents in SUVs 'protecting' > their > children but not considering the long term > implications of more and more of us using these > veichles with such piss poor mileage. My kids buy their own cars. Money is therefore a much larger issue than the environment. Didn't all you doom-and-gloom environmentalists learn anything after Erlich's "Population Bomb" book busted. Remember the $10,000 per commodity bet from about that time? It went something like: Select 10 commodities that will be scarce in 10 years. If after adjusting for inflation, that commodity costs more in 10 years, then the capitalist pays the environmentalist the difference. If it's less, then the environmentalist pays. The pay-off on that was pretty steep if I remember correctly. I feel wealthy today. Would you like to make such a bet Mark? Leon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 12:42:54 2003 Subject: RE: An Ode To Widder. Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:58:00 -0500 From: To: , I have the Gerbings, They feel a bit clumsy and do have hot spots, I wear a liner with them that helps a lot George >>> Michael Lynch 10/23/03 10:47AM >>> I would be very interested in seeing some other Gerbings gloves to try on. Mine are bunchy and heat unevenly. From what everyone else says, this seems off base. Comments? Mike 98 XR400R 96 VFR 76 CB400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 12:43:53 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:43:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: VFR models I have one sitting in front of me. Been out for a couple of years. For a while the Hyabusa was going for $13 because of its rarity. Then they re-released it or something and it was in the store for $2.99 again. Classic. I don't want to make money on them, I just think they are cool. At 12:37 PM 10/23/2003, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >Let me know when they make an R6. :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 12:43:53 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:42:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: VFR models At 12:19 PM 10/23/2003, Rob Keiser wrote: >Impressive. And even the ABS model, no less. > >Also, still no '98. Now WHY would they build an inferior model? :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 12:59:27 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:33:31 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: SUV's To: DC Cycles >Come on Mike you can do better than that!!! [Dave] Indeed, we should strive for better. Many of us have berated Kitchell for such simplistic, low brow retorts... me included, also with simplistic, low brow retorts. Again, while as previously stated, I am not permitted to *agree* with Mark, in this case, one must consider the totality of the circustance. In that light, certainly the DCC list should expect a better response ! >Why not 30 paragraphs about how I should fuck off, >what process I should use, where to do it [Dave] I'm beginning to rethink that better response... ;-) > about your >family's history of telling people to fuck off, some >interesting anecdotes about fucking off in history and >an index of all the various synonyms and antonyms for >the word fuck??? [Dave] 4 times in one short paragraph... That's good, but not a DCC Record, which IIRC (someone help me here) doesn't our own Dick E. Anker hold? > >You are 99% drivel dude. [Dave] That's actually a pretty good auto.sig line... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 13:07:23 2003 From: "Rob Keiser" To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR models Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:07:15 -0400 hehe, nice one! IMHO, they DID build the inferior model. (sorry, george) ;-) Rob From: Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR models Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:42:01 -0400 At 12:19 PM 10/23/2003, Rob Keiser wrote: >Impressive. And even the ABS model, no less. > >Also, still no '98. Now WHY would they build an inferior model? :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org _________________________________________________________________ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 13:08:59 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:08:56 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "'dc-cycles'" , "Wesleyan Hsu" Subject: RE: DMV - Virginia - Notarized Bill of Sale It's all about taxes. If the sale price is below what the DMV figures the value of the car is, then they want more documentation or they charge tax based on the vehicle's book value, not the actual value of the vehicle (as judged by the purchase price). Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Wesleyan Hsu" >What confuses me, is that I've always just presented the title with the >transfer information filled out. And, I sold a car a few months back and the >buyer never came back to me asking for a notarized bill of sale. Have they >recently changed their policies? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 13:15:10 2003 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: Re: DMV - Virginia - Notarized Bill of Sale Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:07:23 -0400 Thank you all, went to a bank in DC and got pushed to a different bank few times but got the stupid document signed and sealed. I'm going back to Va. DMV tomorrow morning for the 2nd round return match to get my new toy titled. Thank you all for the generous help --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track #881) 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:28 PM Subject: Re: DMV - Virginia - Notarized Bill of Sale > Take it to a bank. Most of them have a notary on staff. All they do is sign it and place their seal on it. A couple of our secretaries here at my office are notaries. > > Scooter > > In a message dated 10/23/2003 10:16:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, shonda3@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > Please help... > > > > I went to DMV this morning to have the MZ Skorpion titled. But the lady > > (b*tch...) at DMV told me I got to have "Notarized" bill of sale. Since this > > bike is less than 5 years old (rules changed recently). > > > > I do have a home made bill of sale signed by the seller and me the buyer. > > But she won't take it and threw me out. > > > > Where do I get "Notarized" bill of sale? > > According to the info on DMV web page, looks like I need to fill out the > > "SUT-1A" form but where do I take it to have it notarized? City hall? > > > > Any help is greatly appreciated, Thanks > > > > > > > > http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/vehicles/sut.asp > > For a transaction between private individuals, the minimum Motor Vehicle > > Sales and Use Tax is calculated based on the trade-in value given in the > > NADA Official Used Car Guide. You must present either an Affidavit for > > Procurement of Title (SUT-1A) if the vehicle is 5 years old or newer (based > > on the model year) or a Bill of Sale if the vehicle is more than 5 years > > old. (The sale price placed on a title certificate by the seller is the > > equivalent of a Bill of Sale.) A Bill of Sale must be > > signed by both the > > seller and the buyer. > > > > > > > > --------------------- > > Shigeru Honda > > 98 SuperHawk (Street) > > 99 750 SS (Track #881) > > 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 13:18:03 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:17:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: DMV - Virginia - Notarized Bill of Sale To: Chris Weaver , Wesleyan Hsu , "'dc-cycles'" i'm a notary and i'm in bethesda. a possible problem, however, is that the SELLER's signature must be notarized, and often the seller is located in another state. if this is the case, request that the seller draw up another bill of sale and have him/her sign it before a notary. maryland mva recently waived this requirement for me because i bought from an out of state DEALER. may you all be so lucky in your dealings with the mva. --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Shigeru and anyone reading, > > I just IM'd Sally (my wife) who happens to be a > notary. She says that you can get something notarized > at most banks and that the most they can charge you > (by law) is $2 per notarization. She says you must > present a photo i.d. and must sign the document in > front of the notary. > > If you really can't find a notary anywhere, let us > know and we'll work out a way for Sally to do it for > you. (We're in Leesburg) She says she'll only charge > you $1.99. ;^) > > She's on the digest, so if you'd like to ask her some > questions, contact me and I'll give you her email > address. > > Chris Weaver > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 13:19:44 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:19:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Dr. Gridlock To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey, the e-mail I sent a few weeks ago made the number one position in Dr. Gridlock this morning. *woo*hoo*, I'm in the paper :-) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62946-2003Oct22.html Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 13:27:35 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:27:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dr. Gridlock On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:19:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: Carl Schelin > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Dr. Gridlock > > Hey, the e-mail I sent a few weeks ago made the number one position in Dr. > Gridlock this morning. > > *woo*hoo*, I'm in the paper :-) > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62946-2003Oct22.html Didn't they already go through a cig-butt discussion in his column? Other than that, congrats! Dan. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 13:32:54 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:32:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Dr. Gridlock To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Wow but NOT in DC. Our Gridlock does not have your letter! --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Hey, the e-mail I sent a few weeks ago made the > number one position in Dr. > Gridlock this morning. > > *woo*hoo*, I'm in the paper :-) > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62946-2003Oct22.html > > Carl > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 13:48:26 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:47:36 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR models X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 I have yet to find an R6. I have two R1's sitting on my desk at home but, no R6. Where'd you find the R6? Wally-world? Scooter In a message dated 10/23/2003 12:43:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > I have one sitting in front of me. Been out for a couple of years. For a > while the Hyabusa was going for $13 because of its rarity. Then they > re-released it or something and it was in the store for $2.99 > again. Classic. I don't want to make money on them, I > just think they are > cool. > > At 12:37 PM 10/23/2003, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > >Let me know when they make an R6. :-) > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 23 14:18:59 2003 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:18:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: An Ode To Widder. To: DC-Cycles Mine seem to wrap all the way around. I had a problem with a short in the right glove when I bought them last year and there seems to be a cold spot on the underside of the left thumb but overall they seem fine. Where are you located? Maybe we can get together and check it out. Carl in Dale City and DC --- Michael Lynch wrote: > I would be very interested in seeing some other Gerbings gloves to try > on. > Mine are bunchy and heat unevenly. From what everyone else says, this > seems > off base. Comments? > > Mike > 98 XR400R > 96 VFR > 76 CB400F > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bob Meyer [SMTP:rmeyer9@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:20 AM > > To: Fish Flowers; DC-Cycles > > Subject: Re: An Ode To Widder. > > > > > > > > > > From: Fish Flowers > > > > > > > > Also note that I only have the vest, but my is it nice and toasty > warm. > > > > Oh, get yourself some gloves, too. You won't believe how wonderful > they > > are! (I personally have a slight preference for the Gerbing gloves > over > > the Widder's (having used both), but either brand is wonderful. I > can't > > believe I rode so many years without them. > > > > Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 > > '02 ST1100A, > > '92 ST1100, > > '02 919, "Asphalt" > > > > If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible > > warning. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http