From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 00:02:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9142lSi032106; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:02:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9142kEW032100; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:02:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021001040244.94402.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:02:44 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <006901c268e8$a5b04810$9865fea9@Godzilla> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "S. Russell" wrote: > Cycles USA has 954's for sale under invoice. They ordered a few more > and > selling them low. I don't know what MFI's prices are but the 954 is the only thing they have on their floor it seems. Though in an amazing display of newbie-sensitivity, they have 3 Ninja 250's and 1 EX500. If I didn't know better and only had their showroom to go by, Honda only makes the 954 and some cruisers. ===== I'll believe in evolution when you show me 10^50 blind people solving their scrambled Rubik's Cubes simultaneously. -- Sir Fred Hoyle __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 06:09:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91A9vSi001809; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:09:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91A9uXW001798; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:09:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" Subject: Re: Toolkit Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:08:28 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: DC-Cycles References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210010608280H.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 30 September 2002 15:20, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: > Check out those little key chain LED lights they are really bright and only > weigh in at a couple of ounces. They are great I have one on every keychain > I have. A lot smaller than a Magi light. > Yea but you don't know what I have on my keychain now: 4 keyrings keyring 1 (on a detachable ring so I can start the truck, lock it, and still get in when it's warm): Truck ignition key Bike key Car key keyring 2: Bike security fob (it's like a small pancake or the size of a half dollar but four times as thick) keyring 3: Microleatherman keyring 4: House key "The Club" key Car key Closet key (to access the switches here at work) Operations key (to access the computer center after scanning my badge to get by the first door) Truck door key Bicycle key Flipper door key (to access my computer books; hey they're not cheap). I already have to move the keys to my rear pocket when putting on my chaps. I only took the house and car keys when we went to Idaho and I kept thinking I'd lost them. I do have one of the mini Mag lights but it's by the home computers so I can install stuff and plug in things without dragging the box to the light. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 06:14:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91AECSi001868; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:14:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91AECiL001857; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:14:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Lisa Goddard , dccycles Subject: Re: missing helmet Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:12:44 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210010612440I.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 30 September 2002 21:39, Lisa Goddard wrote: > I thought about the ID in the helmet too but here are my thoughts. If they > were sleazy enough to grab my helmet with me no more than 20 yards down the > road (believe me, I can't push my bike any further than that) then they > might be sleazy enough to come to my house and grab a motorcycle to match > their new helmet!!! There is no way that they could have grabbed my helmet > and missed me pushing my bike along the curb less than 20 yards later, > there are no cross streets or driveways or I would have pulled off there in > the first place. > Good thought. Maybe some minimal contact information. I was thinking of the good samariton situation. Perhaps a business card (not that _I_ have any) with one of the major e-mail service addresses. "If found please send an e-mail to LisasLostHelmet@XXXXXX for reward information." Carl > From: Carl Schelin > To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Missing Helmet!!! long, sorry I am mad. > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:40:27 -0400 > > On Tuesday 24 September 2002 12:28, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 9/23/2002 10:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > lisagoddard@XXXXXX writes: > > > "my helmet is not where > > > I left it no more than 10 minutes ago" > > > > That sucks. You can hope it was a good Samaritan who thought it had > > fallen > > > off of someones bike and is trying to get it back to its owner. And I can > > fly. > > Just a whacky thought. How many of us have contact information in the > helmet? > My wife gave me a red cross type card in a plastic holder that I put in the > liner of the helmet. I've seen the sticker types that go on the outside of > the helmet instructing people not to remove the helmet in case of accident > as > well as contact info. > > Carl > > -- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 > FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 06:20:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91AKgSi001930; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:20:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91AKfCo001923; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:20:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 05:20:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: missing helmet In-Reply-To: <0210010612440I.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > "If found please send an e-mail to LisasLostHelmet@XXXXXX for > reward information." Heh. The problem with that, of course, is wading through all the "Live Nude Girlllllz!" and "Herbal Viagra WORKS!" to find the email you're hoping to get. Then again, I suppose you wouldn't have to look at the inbox until your helmet actually got lost, so it's not that big a deal... Fish. enjoys wading through live nude girls, actually From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 06:28:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91ASDSi002092; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:28:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91ASDUb002084; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:28:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 05:28:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Bike chain, axle, oops. Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am an idiot. Last night I was leaving from a friend's apartment, so I got suited up, warmed the bike up, then took off. Stopped five feet into the parking lot when I heard the *CRUNCH* from the bicycle chain (with integral lock) which I'd used to lock the front wheel to the frame. The cheesy lock popped open (luckily), allowing the chain to do whatever it wanted... which was wrap itself around the axle. Hmm. So, what do I need to check to make certain everything is hunky-dory? The front brake is still working, though I haven't checked the fluid level yet. Wheel spins freely and evenly on the axle. Anything else? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 06:32:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91AWoSi002155; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:32:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91AWofj002142; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:32:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 05:32:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII So SWMBO and I spent some time last night puttering about the place, I leading on my bike, she following in my cage. For part of the time (around dusk) I wasn't wearing my Camelbak; for part of the time (dark), I was. Apparently even with the Camelbak, which has a couple of reflective strips on the back, I'm virtually invisible in the dark. Hmm, not a good situation, since I usually ride in to work in the early wee hours of the morning, while it's still dark. And I can't currently afford food, much less that paragon of visibility the Hi-Viz Yellow 'Stich, so I'm trying to come up with cheap ways to increase my visibility. Any ideas? So far I'm thinkin' reflective tape on the backs of my pant legs, on my helmet, and maybe some reflector plates somehow attached to the bike. Anyone done home-visibility improvements? Fish. saw a goldwing last night lit up like a refinery, now that's high-viz From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 06:37:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91AboSi002199; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:37:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91AboA8002192; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:37:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Drip. Drip. Drip. Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:36:22 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210010636220J.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 26 September 2002 10:49, Fish Flowers wrote: > Good places to get cheap raingear? > K-mart. $20 for a set. Just watch out for the pipes and pegs. Last winter I got a small rip down by the ankle when it caught on the peg. I didn't duct tape it and while riding to work the wind caught it and ripped it off of my leg. I picked up a replacement set of pants for 9 bucks and they've worked great since then. > Fish. > drip Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 06:45:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91AjUSi002270; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:45:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91AjUW1002263; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:45:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Setting to reply to list, was Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:44:02 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020927013924.34360.qmail@web40206.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020927013924.34360.qmail@web40206.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210010644020K.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 26 September 2002 21:39, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > BTW, why is it that the list admin can't (won't?) configure the list > > software to default to reply-to the list? Seems like everyone just does > > a reply all, causing people to get multiple copies of the same messages. > > I don't mind trimming the headers, but 90% of the peeps on the list are > > too lazy to do the same. I won't even mention the lack of snippage :-) > > This can be a dangerous thing to do. *snip* > I think it could be pretty simple to write a routine that would recognize > that the same e-mail address is sending more than, say, 10 messages in one > hour, so lock that account out until it is checked out. But if it isn't > there, watch out! > > Harry is a staff of one. I doubt he'd appreciate the mess. My opinion > only though. > Majordomo lets you set messages as "Bulk" in which most decent vacation programs are configured to ignore them. Can't help on the indecent *cough*Microsoft*cough* software though :-) > Louis > Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 06:51:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91ApTSi002457; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:51:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91ApTOF002450; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:51:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: missing helmet Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:50:00 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210010650000L.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 01 October 2002 06:20, Fish Flowers wrote: > On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > "If found please send an e-mail to LisasLostHelmet@XXXXXX for > > reward information." > > Heh. The problem with that, of course, is wading through all the "Live > Nude Girlllllz!" and "Herbal Viagra WORKS!" to find the email you're > hoping to get. > Well yea, but I wasn't going to go into setting up your own domain and servers at home with a decent firewall and multiple e-mail addresses you could configure and delete as necessary. > Then again, I suppose you wouldn't have to look at the inbox until your > helmet actually got lost, so it's not that big a deal... > You do have to check the mailbox at least once every 4 months or the account is deactivated. I went to check on a couple of older accounts from yahoo and got the admonation. > Fish. > enjoys wading through live nude girls, actually I stop halfway through, actually. Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 07:34:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91BYTSi002784; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 07:34:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91BYSv9002776; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 07:34:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021001113423.74666.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 04:34:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: WV ticket help To: Carl Parker , DCCycles , dan@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3D990228.53A6F19B@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And too many damn people and houses now too! I'm almost ready to leave the area. Glenn --- Carl Parker wrote: > P.S. > Ya know...I've been feeling really down about living > in this area for > a while now. Maybe it'z cuz I was raised here and > have been around > too long or because there's just getting to be too > much money in > everything...or both. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 08:17:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91CHqSi002994; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:17:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91CHp3a002987; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:17:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021001081429.0234ecf0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 08:17:20 -0400 To: Fish Flowers From: Troutman Subject: Re: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind Cc: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2002 12:17:10.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[77E2CC80:01C26944] At 06:32 AM 10/1/2002, Fish Flowers wrote: >Anyone done home-visibility improvements? I did 3 things that my wife claims helped : 1) Kenya jacket with wide reflective strip 2) Reflective tape artwork all around helmet 3) Manufactured highly reflective VF/VFR lists stickers which I placed above license plate, below brake light directly in cage headlight path. Side reflection is most important IMHO. If you are truly worried, check tapeworks for rim reflection tape. Very effective. Look like an alien. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 08:46:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91CkBSi003193; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:46:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91CkAfR003178; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:46:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] From: "Rob Keiser" To: fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 08:46:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2002 12:46:03.0060 (UTC) FILETIME=[80489F40:01C26948] How about one of those reflective vests that most street workers wear. They can't be too expensive, and they are quite thin. Just a thought. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 05:32:48 -0500 (CDT) So SWMBO and I spent some time last night puttering about the place, I leading on my bike, she following in my cage. For part of the time (around dusk) I wasn't wearing my Camelbak; for part of the time (dark), I was. Apparently even with the Camelbak, which has a couple of reflective strips on the back, I'm virtually invisible in the dark. Hmm, not a good situation, since I usually ride in to work in the early wee hours of the morning, while it's still dark. And I can't currently afford food, much less that paragon of visibility the Hi-Viz Yellow 'Stich, so I'm trying to come up with cheap ways to increase my visibility. Any ideas? So far I'm thinkin' reflective tape on the backs of my pant legs, on my helmet, and maybe some reflector plates somehow attached to the bike. Anyone done home-visibility improvements? Fish. saw a goldwing last night lit up like a refinery, now that's high-viz _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 08:57:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91CvnSi003275; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:57:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91CvnBj003267; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:57:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:57:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200210010857.AA3081306162@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC-Cycles , Fish Flowers Subject: Re: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind X-Mailer: Probably the quickest, easiest, and cheapest ways to increase your conspicuity are: 1. wear a reflective vest. lime green like bicyclists, or orange with lime green stripes like construction workers. This has the added advantage of being in a human shape, which helps recognition. 2. reflective tape on helmet and back of bike Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Fish Flowers Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 05:32:48 -0500 (CDT) >So SWMBO and I spent some time last night puttering about the place, I >leading on my bike, she following in my cage. For part of the time (around >dusk) I wasn't wearing my Camelbak; for part of the time (dark), I was. > >Apparently even with the Camelbak, which has a couple of reflective strips >on the back, I'm virtually invisible in the dark. Hmm, not a good >situation, since I usually ride in to work in the early wee hours of the >morning, while it's still dark. And I can't currently afford food, much >less that paragon of visibility the Hi-Viz Yellow 'Stich, so I'm trying to >come up with cheap ways to increase my visibility. > >Any ideas? So far I'm thinkin' reflective tape on the backs of my pant >legs, on my helmet, and maybe some reflector plates somehow attached to >the bike. Anyone done home-visibility improvements? > >Fish. >saw a goldwing last night lit up like a refinery, now that's high-viz > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 09:17:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91DHNSi003438; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:17:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91DHNP3003429; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:17:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-ID: <00cb01c2694c$a29bb6a0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Returning motorcyclist crashes new Harley in 10 seconds Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:15:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Associated Press Published Oct 1, 2002 HOG02 SAGINAW, Mich. -- Baby boomer Jim Zimmerman's brief fling as a tough biker ended in pain very quickly. The retiree's misadventure began when, facing 60, he gave into a youthful yen and got a local dealership to deliver a brand-new Harley- Davidson to his door. ``It was a mid-age crisis thing,'' Zimmerman admitted last week. ``I'd see these dudes with women and thought a motorcycle would put me in like Flynn. ``I didn't look at the obvious, that I hadn't been on a bike in 30 years and probably didn't remember much about it.'' Ten seconds after he climbed aboard for the first time, he struck a neighbor's utility trailer at 40 mph and broke several ribs. The odometer logged a tenth of a mile. ``It was so fast, and I didn't think fast enough,'' he said. ``I probably panicked and throttled the gas in a death grip. ``Oh my god, I hurt in places I didn't know could hurt. The cops said it's a miracle I'm alive.'' After $2,000 in insured repairs on the bike - and more on the neighbor's trailer - Zimmerman sold his Harley for an $800 loss. But the experience isn't quite over. Until his complimentary membership in the Harley Owners Group runs out, ``I get a mailing every two to three weeks, reminding me of how stupid I was,'' he said. Gary Foreman mailto:gforeman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 10:11:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91EBuSi003926; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:11:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91EBt4C003914; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:11:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Gary Foreman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Returning motorcyclist crashes new Harley in 10 seconds Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:12:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Sounds like he should've taken the MSF course then gotten a bike he could learn on. Damn. I know it makes me laugh that people think that you can't hurt yourself on a Harley. Wrong. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Foreman [mailto:gforeman@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:16 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Returning motorcyclist crashes new Harley in 10 seconds Associated Press Published Oct 1, 2002 HOG02 SAGINAW, Mich. -- Baby boomer Jim Zimmerman's brief fling as a tough biker ended in pain very quickly. The retiree's misadventure began when, facing 60, he gave into a youthful yen and got a local dealership to deliver a brand-new Harley- Davidson to his door. ``It was a mid-age crisis thing,'' Zimmerman admitted last week. ``I'd see these dudes with women and thought a motorcycle would put me in like Flynn. ``I didn't look at the obvious, that I hadn't been on a bike in 30 years and probably didn't remember much about it.'' Ten seconds after he climbed aboard for the first time, he struck a neighbor's utility trailer at 40 mph and broke several ribs. The odometer logged a tenth of a mile. ``It was so fast, and I didn't think fast enough,'' he said. ``I probably panicked and throttled the gas in a death grip. ``Oh my god, I hurt in places I didn't know could hurt. The cops said it's a miracle I'm alive.'' After $2,000 in insured repairs on the bike - and more on the neighbor's trailer - Zimmerman sold his Harley for an $800 loss. But the experience isn't quite over. Until his complimentary membership in the Harley Owners Group runs out, ``I get a mailing every two to three weeks, reminding me of how stupid I was,'' he said. Gary Foreman mailto:gforeman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 10:17:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91EHoSi003978; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:17:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91EHnNt003972; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:17:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021001101407.01bcb2a8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 10:17:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Returning motorcyclist crashes new Harley in 10 seconds In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:12 AM 10/1/2002, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: >Sounds like he should've taken the MSF course then gotten a bike he could >learn on. Damn. I know it makes me laugh that people think that you can't >hurt yourself on a Harley. Wrong. last year while at Patriot, I watched a guy, who obviously never rode a big bike, or maybe no bike at all, pick up a new Electra Glide. They brought it around front where they showed him all the controls including how to start it. After the checkout, he started the bike and rode around the parking lot. The very first time he had to turn he dumped it. He took the turn too wide and hit the curb and the bike flipped on him. Scraped the bike, (and himself), up pretty good. The bike didn't even have a mile on the odo, and it went into the shop. The salesman said he wouldn't be surprised if there was $2k or more in damage to the bike. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 10:21:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91ELHSi004046; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:21:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91ELE21004027; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:21:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbR4xwATZVF62wn1ITkwGcsntYC335aU8q6sLthCAyz609c6WqKVTUhUcKJCxEw15Q= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: If there was any doubt. Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:21:12 -0400 Message-ID: <01a401c26955$cb6d9bd0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00cb01c2694c$a29bb6a0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20020927-4563013.htm Mayor says cameras will make city money By Brian DeBose THE WASHINGTON TIMES D.C. Mayor Anthony A. Williams yesterday said he wants to expand the use of traffic cameras because the city needs the money. "The cameras are about safety and revenue, and the way not to pay that tax is to not be speeding," Mr. Williams said. The mayor's comments were a change from earlier this year, when Mr. Williams told a radio audience in February that the purpose of the traffic cameras was to "calm" dangerous streets )B— not generate revenue for the city. The latest comments also contradict months of disavowals by Metropolitan Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey, who has steadfastly contended that the cameras are about safety, not revenue. But on yesterday's "Ask the Mayor" program on WTOP Radio, Mr. Williams said looming fiscal problems forced the city to get creative in closing a potential $323 million budget deficit. "The only reason we're looking at the enforcement with revenue figures is because we're in such a bind now," Mr. Williams said. D.C. Council member Phil Mendelson, at-large Democrat, who has been skeptical of the city's electronic law-enforcement programs, said the latest expansion is a clear indication that the city is starting to see the cameras as revenue sources. Mr. Williams also discussed on the program his ongoing budget negotiations with the council. He said he is still hoping to gain support for a surcharge tax for the wealthy. Council Chairman Linda W. Cropp, at-large Democrat, said there is no support in the legislative body for income-tax increases. Mr. Williams appeared to back off the initiative, saying, "I'm turning to my own counsel and the people to determine whether I should continue to put up this fight." He said he turned over his final proposal to the council yesterday. The council will hold hearings on the revised budget today and vote on the new fiscal package Tuesday. The budget plan includes significant cuts in new spending, and several more cuts for city agencies. The mayor and the council also have put in several revenue generators, such as an increase in the cigarette tax, and fees for 911 service and fire-code violations, as well as the expanded traffic-camera program. The new budget must be in the hands of Congress by Oct. 2. The expanded camera program was part of the mayor's budget proposal submitted to the D.C. Council this week. The plan calls for five additional speed cameras, bringing the city's total to 10, and exercising the speed-camera function in the District's existing 39 red-light cameras. The "Speed on Green" program will utilize red-light cameras to identify and ticket aggressive speeders, said Kevin Morison, spokesman for the Metropolitan Police Department. "An extra computer chip is installed that tells the camera to photograph vehicles that are traveling above the posted limit when the light is green," he said. Like the photo-radar cameras, a speed threshold will be set for the computers. If a car passes the camera traveling above the threshold, the camera will activate and a citation will be issued. D.C. police have not said what the average speed threshold is, but city officials have told The Washington Times that it is between 9 and 11 miles per hour above the posted speed limit. There will be a 30-day warning period at all new locations before the ticketing process begins, Mr. Morison said. He said there will be no "double-ticket" for motorists who speed and run a red light. The city is looking to implement Speed on Green at a small number of intersections, "probably two to three at first," he said. He said two accident fatalities this year at the intersection of Firth Sterling Avenue and Suitland Parkway SE puts that red-light camera location high on the list for the new system. "We think that Speed on Green, along with the expansion of photo radar, will help us address that problem more effectively," he said. The computer chips for Speed on Green cost about $10,000 per unit. The five new photo-radar vehicles will cost the city about $500,000. City officials said it is too early to estimate how many tickets and how much money will be made from the Speed on Green program. The program's technology does not rely on radar, as the mobile photo-radar vehicles do, Mr. Morison said. The red-light cameras use a time-distance calculation, based on data collected from devices embedded in the roadway, to measure speed. The city also will have to modify its monthly-fixed-fee contract with Affiliated Computer Services Inc. )B— the Dallas-based company running the cameras )B— for the additional services and increased ticket-processing costs. As to the revenue-versus-safety issue, Mr. Morison said, "We have never contended that photo enforcement does not generate revenue. But I think most people recognize that the primary benefit of photo enforcement )B— and the primary motivation )B— remains getting people to slow down." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 11:07:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91F74Si004488; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:07:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91F74ZV004480; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:07:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:02:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: CSS Experience Message-ID: <20021001071300.X67521-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I went down to VIR for the 09/30/02 CSS level 1 class with 3 other friends (2 of which are on DC-Cycles). We all used their ZX6 Ninjas and the school was run on the north course. We arrived at the track around 6:50am. CSS had coffee and other drinks available, along with fresh fruit. We got signed in and grabbed our rented gear. I used their suit, my helmet and Sidi boots. I have full leathers, but figured I would rather crash in theirs than mine ;-) Here are the 5 lessons that were taught in the classroom and reinforced by 5 track sessions: Throttle control: desc - set entry speed with throttle, power on constantly and smoothly through the turn. exercise - 4th gear only, no brake usage on track Turn points: desc - every corner has an ideal turn in point or range where you want to begin your arc thru the corner exercise - turn in points are marked on course, you just have to use them. this exercise was 3-4 gear, no brakes Quick turning: desc - increase speed of turn in and direction changes exercise - practice turning in faster, use marked turn in points, 3-4 gear, light braking allowed Rider input: desc - don't fight the bike or have a death grip on the bars exercise - after turn in, relax upper body/arms, 3-4-5 gear, light braking allowed 2 step turning: desc - look thru the corner a moment before initiating turn in exercise - demonstrate proper turn in by looking thru the corner before turn in, all gears, full brakes The school was well organized and all 4 of us gained a lot of experience in those 5 on track sessions. I was pleased with my on track instructor, too. He provided input and showed me some errors while I was out on track. The school allowed passing anywhere on track, so that minimized the effect of traffic. The only limitation was that you had to be at least 6-8 feet away from the other bikes at all times. When I first mounted the ZX6R it was comfortable. Very light compared to my Busa, but it was gutless below about 11,000 rpm :-) Even above that you could describe it as anemic :-) However, road courses aren't about raw power and the ZX6 was much better than having a more powerful motorcycle. I'm sure it would have been difficult to control a more powerful bike and easier to get into a turn too hot with any more power. We were already well into 5th for the short straight coming out of esses in 5/6 heading into the uphill right in 7. My best lap was 2:04.24. Definately not scorching, but it improved every session throughout the day and it felt pretty quick as it was my first on track bike experience :-). I think the next step for me is track days to practice what I already know, then look at advanced classes. There was 1 student accident. He lowsided in turn 1. They charged him $700 to repair the bike ($750 max). He broke one of the clip ons off the bike and did some other damage. They had the bike ready for the next track session and allowed him to finish the day. If you've never been on track, this is the perfect opportunity to do so with good instruction in a structured environment. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 11:13:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91FD3Si004690; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:13:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91FD2fF004679; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:13:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021001151259.63958.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:12:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: CSS Experience To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021001071300.X67521-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii SOunds alot like my experience there. Its a misconception that if you crash you automatically lose the rest of your day. The important thing is can you explain why you crashed. Mark --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > I went down to VIR for the 09/30/02 CSS level 1 > class with 3 other friends > (2 of which are on DC-Cycles). We all used their > ZX6 Ninjas and the > school was run on the north course. > > We arrived at the track around 6:50am. CSS had > coffee and other drinks > available, along with fresh fruit. We got signed in > and grabbed our > rented gear. I used their suit, my helmet and Sidi > boots. I have full > leathers, but figured I would rather crash in theirs > than mine ;-) > > Here are the 5 lessons that were taught in the > classroom and reinforced by > 5 track sessions: > > Throttle control: > desc - set entry speed with throttle, power on > constantly and smoothly > through the turn. > exercise - 4th gear only, no brake usage on track > > Turn points: > desc - every corner has an ideal turn in point or > range where you want to > begin your arc thru the corner > exercise - turn in points are marked on course, you > just have to use them. > this exercise was 3-4 gear, no brakes > > Quick turning: > desc - increase speed of turn in and direction > changes > exercise - practice turning in faster, use marked > turn in points, 3-4 > gear, light braking allowed > > Rider input: > desc - don't fight the bike or have a death grip on > the bars > exercise - after turn in, relax upper body/arms, > 3-4-5 gear, light braking > allowed > > 2 step turning: > desc - look thru the corner a moment before > initiating turn in > exercise - demonstrate proper turn in by looking > thru the corner before > turn in, all gears, full brakes > > The school was well organized and all 4 of us gained > a lot of experience > in those 5 on track sessions. I was pleased with my > on track instructor, > too. He provided input and showed me some errors > while I was out on > track. The school allowed passing anywhere on > track, so that minimized > the effect of traffic. The only limitation was that > you had to be at > least 6-8 feet away from the other bikes at all > times. > > When I first mounted the ZX6R it was comfortable. > Very light compared to > my Busa, but it was gutless below about 11,000 rpm > :-) Even above that > you could describe it as anemic :-) However, road > courses aren't about > raw power and the ZX6 was much better than having a > more powerful > motorcycle. I'm sure it would have been difficult > to control a more > powerful bike and easier to get into a turn too hot > with any more power. > We were already well into 5th for the short straight > coming out of esses > in 5/6 heading into the uphill right in 7. > > My best lap was 2:04.24. Definately not scorching, > but it improved every > session throughout the day and it felt pretty quick > as it was my first on > track bike experience :-). I think the next step > for me is track days to > practice what I already know, then look at advanced > classes. > > There was 1 student accident. He lowsided in turn > 1. They charged him > $700 to repair the bike ($750 max). He broke one of > the clip ons off the > bike and did some other damage. They had the bike > ready for the next > track session and allowed him to finish the day. > > If you've never been on track, this is the perfect > opportunity to do so > with good instruction in a structured environment. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 11:23:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91FN9Si004790; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:23:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91FN8Lj004782; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:23:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CSS Experience In-Reply-To: <20021001151259.63958.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021001081635.X67521-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > SOunds alot like my experience there. Its a > misconception that if you crash you automatically lose > the rest of your day. The important thing is can you > explain why you crashed. > > Mark Before the class, they said that if you crash your day was over. I assume it's to keep everyone riding within their limits and prevent people from going overboard. Talking to their lead mechanic, he said they average 2 crashes per class. The most he's seen in 1 day is 9! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 11:25:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91FOxSi004829; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:24:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91FOxfZ004820; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:24:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:29:47 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Wayne Edelen cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CSS Experience In-Reply-To: <20021001071300.X67521-100000@magoo.noid.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > (2 of which are on DC-Cycles). We all used their ZX6 Ninjas and the > school was run on the north course. > So how much did it run including bike and gear rental? Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 11:30:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91FUwSi004902; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:30:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91FUwTm004893; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:30:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 08:30:51 -0700 From: To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CSS Experience Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Wayne, Glad to hear you had a good experience and learned some valuable stuff at CSS. I know CSS has it's detractors (for valid reasons) so it's good to know that it worked out well for you. Isn't amazing how much you can learn within the controlled confines of the track and with good instructors/instruction? And I echo Mark's remarks (as one of the 3 other DCC "crashers" at CSS a few years ago) that the important thing is to understand why you crashed (or in this case, your friend) and learn from it. Chuck On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Wayne Edelen wrote: I went down to VIR for the 09/30/02 CSS level 1 class with 3 other friends (2 of which are on DC-Cycles). We all used their ZX6 Ninjas and the school was run on the north course. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 11:31:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91FV5Si004937; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:31:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91FV53U004931; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:31:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 08:31:02 -0700 From: To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CSS Experience Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Wayne, Glad to hear you had a good experience and learned some valuable stuff at CSS. I know CSS has it's detractors (for valid reasons) so it's good to know that it worked out well for you. Isn't it amazing how much you can learn within the controlled confines of the track and with good instructors/instruction? Definitely not something that can be accomplished just street riding. Hopefully, you made a quantum leap. And I echo Mark's remarks (as one of the 3 other DCC "crashers" at CSS a few years ago) that the important thing is to understand why you crashed (or in this case, your friend) and learn from it. Chuck On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Wayne Edelen wrote: I went down to VIR for the 09/30/02 CSS level 1 class with 3 other friends (2 of which are on DC-Cycles). We all used their ZX6 Ninjas and the school was run on the north course. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 11:35:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91FZ4Si005019; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:35:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91FZ4YY005006; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:35:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <55.2e18a0be.2acb1a97@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:34:47 EDT Subject: Re: Returning motorcyclist crashes new Harley in 10 seconds To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 A dealer once told me about a guy came up on a bitter cold day and just had to have a bike. Dealer tried to talk him out of riding it home, said he could deliver it. Rider wanted no part of that. Crashed 4 times on the ice before he got out of the parking lot. In Las Vegas it was not unusual for someone to hit a big win at night and be waiting at the dealers door first thing in the morning. Lots of cash, no brains. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 12:01:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91G1ESi005275; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:01:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91G1DMR005267; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:01:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:56:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CSS Experience In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021001085358.C69486-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, dan wrote: > > (2 of which are on DC-Cycles). We all used their ZX6 Ninjas and the > > school was run on the north course. > > > > So how much did it run including bike and gear rental? ~$600 -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 12:48:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91GmwSi005591; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:48:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91GmvA5005579; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:48:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:44:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CSS Experience In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021001092532.B69486-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Glad to hear you had a good experience and learned some valuable stuff at CSS. > I know CSS has it's detractors (for valid reasons) so it's good to know that > it worked out well for you. Isn't amazing how much you can learn within the > controlled confines of the track and with good instructors/instruction? And I > echo Mark's remarks (as one of the 3 other DCC "crashers" at CSS a few years Yes, it is amazing how much is learned in such a short time when you're able to take the same corner over and over in a controlled environment (and you're not afraid of wrecking your new motorcycle ;-) ). > ago) that the important thing is to understand why you crashed (or in this > case, your friend) and learn from it. It wasn't one of the four of us that crashed, it was just some random dude. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was thinking of pulling the fairings off my Hayabusa, installing sliders and heading up to Summit for a track day soon. What prep do you need to do to a streetbike before hitting the track? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 12:57:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91GvsSi005668; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:57:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91Gvr8m005659; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:57:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D99D550.FC1BD4DC@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 13:03:12 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > So SWMBO and I spent some time last night puttering about the place, I > leading on my bike, she following in my cage. For part of the time (around > dusk) I wasn't wearing my Camelbak; for part of the time (dark), I was. > > Apparently even with the Camelbak, which has a couple of reflective strips > on the back, I'm virtually invisible in the dark. Hmm, not a good > situation, since I usually ride in to work in the early wee hours of the > morning, while it's still dark. And I can't currently afford food, much > less that paragon of visibility the Hi-Viz Yellow 'Stich, so I'm trying to > come up with cheap ways to increase my visibility. > > Any ideas? So far I'm thinkin' reflective tape on the backs of my pant > legs, on my helmet, and maybe some reflector plates somehow attached to > the bike. Anyone done home-visibility improvements? > > Fish. > saw a goldwing last night lit up like a refinery, now that's high-viz I have a spare pair of tail/stop lights. They were illegal when I put them on but I figured I'd never get busted for extra taillights, seeing as how the VA motocops were using them. That makes a total of four red and two amber lights on my ass end, probably add some reflectice tape soon to cover the RUST on the CHEESY Harley chrome. Hi-Vis? Well, back in the early `60s one of my pals painted his `57 Ford ragtop with glow in the dark paint. Looked kinda poopy off-white in daylight, glowed a pale blue at night! His Ford was so tacky it was cool. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 13:41:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91HfeSi006024; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:41:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91Hfdvj006016; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:41:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 10:41:35 -0700 From: To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CSS Experience Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 It depends on the organization running the track day. For example, NESBA www.nesba.com doesn't absolutely require anything special for their beginner and intermediate groups to run at the track other than taping your lights and removing your mirrors (you may even be able to just tape and fold back your mirrors). They recommend disconnecting your headlights and taillight, as well as safety wiring of your oil drain bolt, oil filter, and filler plug. You and your bike have to pass tech inspection. Other clubs/groups may have different requirements (e.g., not running coolant in your radiator and how much tread is on your tires). Pulling expensive bodywork off a nice streetbike is definitely a good idea. As is installing frame sliders. You might want to try one of NESBA's introductory freebie track outing (2 sessions in the morning) to get a feel for a track day before plunking down cash. And check your ego at the door. Despite the mondo motor in your 'Busa having a definite advantage on the long main straight at Summit, you're likely to get passed by much smaller bikes that can carry corner speed in the tighter sections of the track. And having all that motor just may scare the s#%t out of you if you wind it up on the main straight and then have to haul the beast down for Turn 1 which is a pretty slow and tight righthander. But overall, the Summit main course tends to be more "wide open" with higher speed turns than say VIR South so it shouldn't be overly difficult to hustle your 'Busa around it. On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Wayne Edelen wrote: I was thinking of pulling the fairings off my Hayabusa, installing sliders and heading up to Summit for a track day soon. What prep do you need to do to a streetbike before hitting the track? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 13:49:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91HnlSi006105; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:49:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91HnkB1006096; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:49:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:45:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CSS Experience In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021001104132.D69486-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Pulling expensive bodywork off a nice streetbike is definitely a good idea. > As is installing frame sliders. Yes. I might find some rashed plastics on the 'Busa message boards, too. > You might want to try one of NESBA's introductory freebie track outing (2 > sessions in the morning) to get a feel for a track day before plunking down > cash. Thanks, I'll check them out. > And check your ego at the door. Despite the mondo motor in your 'Busa having > a definite advantage on the long main straight at Summit, you're likely to get > passed by much smaller bikes that can carry corner speed in the tighter > sections of the track. And having all that motor just may scare the s#%t out > of you if you wind it up on the main straight and then have to haul the beast > down for Turn 1 which is a pretty slow and tight righthander. But overall, > the Summit main course tends to be more "wide open" with higher speed turns > than say VIR South so it shouldn't be overly difficult to hustle your 'Busa > around it. hehe, 100% chance. I know my 'Busa is a monster on the straights, but I'm sure I can look forward to being passed by 125cc bikes in the corners :-) I have no trouble with that at all. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 15:42:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91JgkSi006872; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:42:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91Jgi5C006858; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:42:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:41:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2002 19:41:37.0756 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E8549C0:01C26982] Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? I was born in DC, raised in Oxon Hill, went to college in Frostburg, moved to Hyattsville after graduation, moved to Annapolis with my bride to be, moved to Gaithersburg because of a job, and here I remain...for now... Other locals? Perry >From: Glenn Dysart >To: Carl Parker , DCCycles , > dan@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: WV ticket help >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 04:34:23 -0700 (PDT) > >And too many damn people and houses now too! I'm >almost ready to leave the area. > >Glenn > >--- Carl Parker wrote: > > P.S. > > Ya know...I've been feeling really down about living > > in this area for > > a while now. Maybe it'z cuz I was raised here and > > have been around > > too long or because there's just getting to be too > > much money in > > everything...or both. > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 15:47:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91JlCSi006922; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:47:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91JlBNA006915; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:47:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:47:03 -0400 From: HiCapMag@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: County Differences Message-ID: <3E92FCE3.0C4B7BC8.00733C8A@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In a message dated Thu, 26 Sep 2002 6:00:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, (someone) writes: > Different counties in VA can do things > very differently. Sometimes there is no talking to > anyone beforehand. Sometimes the cop lies. Sometimes > they take your license away. And how! This tidbit reminded me to pass along some pressing news I have recently learned before Da Judge in Fairfax. Fairfax judges have all agreed to the following policy on sentencing speeders: 90 MPH gets you a night in jail. EVERY MPH over 90 gets you another! So my girlfriend gets a little deep into the pedal on the Beltway her first time driving the 911...she's over to the side within two miles, cop has no radar and no pace but "estimates" she hit 98. We show up for court and the prosecutor wants eight days! Judge Horan must be getting soft in his old age, he only gave her two. Plus a huge fine and six months with no license, all for first offense. Needless to say, we're on appeal, with another lawyer (and another retainer that should have gone into minimally-useful bike accessories.) The policy does work, once you're aware of it -- I watch the dial real close on the now-rare event that I traverse FairCo, Home of Pinhead Policy. Let the list be fairly warned as well! PS: Single best lesson of Pull-over Etiquette is to answer every "do you know why I pulled you, do you know how fast you were going?" question with a very polite "I'm sorry, I simply don't know." They mean it when they say "every thing you say can and will be used against you..." HiCapMag From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 15:52:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91JqESi006985; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:52:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91JqEZB006977; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:52:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021001155138.01c3fdc8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:52:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:41 PM 10/1/2002, Perry Coleman wrote: >Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > >How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? > >I was born in DC, >raised in Oxon Hill, >went to college in Frostburg, >moved to Hyattsville after graduation, >moved to Annapolis with my bride to be, >moved to Gaithersburg because of a job, >and here I remain...for now... > >Other locals? > >Perry gawd no but I've lived here longer than anywhere else. Misawa Japan Chambers Neb Madison Wis. Tulsa Ok Biluxi Miss Colo Springs Co. Yokota AFB Japan Pensacola Fla. *Back* to Misawa Japan Clark AFB Philippines Virginia Beach Va. Reston Va. (since 1982) Herndon Va. where I'll probably die of old age before I move. sheesh..now I'm dizzy..gotta go lay down... 8-P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 15:54:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91JsrSi007029; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:54:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91JsrQA007023; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:54:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021001195451.55673.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:54:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii from alexandria to arlington to potomac to bethesda with an extended stop along the way in college park that i don't remember much --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > > How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? > > I was born in DC, > raised in Oxon Hill, > went to college in Frostburg, > moved to Hyattsville after graduation, > moved to Annapolis with my bride to be, > moved to Gaithersburg because of a job, > and here I remain...for now... > > Other locals? > > Perry > > >From: Glenn Dysart > >To: Carl Parker , DCCycles > , > > dan@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: WV ticket help > >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 04:34:23 -0700 (PDT) > > > >And too many damn people and houses now too! I'm > >almost ready to leave the area. > > > >Glenn __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 15:56:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91JuqSi007081; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:56:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91Juq4B007072; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:56:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021001195649.65859.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:56:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: County Differences To: HiCapMag@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E92FCE3.0C4B7BC8.00733C8A@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- HiCapMag@XXXXXX wrote: > PS: Single best lesson of Pull-over Etiquette is to > answer every "do you know why I pulled you, do you know > how fast you were going?" question with a very polite > "I'm sorry, I simply don't know." They mean it when they > say "every thing you say can and will be used against > you..." and the statement you quote above can be used against you as well, e.g., for failing to observe traffic signs. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:01:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91K1PSi007166; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:01:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91K1Mif007147; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:01:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:06:14 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: HiCapMag@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: County Differences In-Reply-To: <3E92FCE3.0C4B7BC8.00733C8A@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Fairfax judges have all agreed to the following policy on sentencing > speeders: 90 MPH gets you a night in jail. EVERY MPH over 90 gets you > another! I thought it was anywhere in VA. Buddy of mine told me that a few months after I moved up here. Many of the SBN members have spent time in the pokey for 90+ At least they are nice enough to let you serve time on weekends. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:02:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91K28Si007195; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:02:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91K27Mt007190; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:02:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021001200205.16103.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:02:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Me! Born in Fairfax Hospital Live in Annandale for 29 years Now live in Alexandria... Glenn --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > > How many of us, on this list, are native to the > area? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:05:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91K5xSi007241; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:05:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91K5wbI007236; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:05:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021001200556.64377.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:05:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021001155138.01c3fdc8@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's my residential history. I have you beat, Aki. Let's just say I know how to pack a moving box. :^) born: Washington DC Arlington Heidelberg, Germany Arlington Tehran, Iran Arlington Sily, Belgium London, England Alexandria Arlington Falls Church Oakton Manassas Arlington Ashburn Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:07:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91K7gSi007285; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:07:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91K7gnW007276; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:07:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00b801c26986$41f1e060$6501a8c0@laptop> From: "Bruce N" To: References: Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:07:55 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Born in DC in '62, we lived in Potomac. I've lived in Loudoun since '65. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Coleman" > How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:08:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91K8wSi007329; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:08:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91K8wm4007320; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:08:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:08:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g91K8uSi007308 Yep, I be local: I was born in DC (@ Morris Cafritz Mem Hosp) Lived in Clinton (Crestview) Then Croom (er, I mean, Upper Marlboro) Then Gaithersburg for a short bit Then College Park And now Frederick I spent 31 of my 33 years in PG County... Kirk ----- Original Message ----- From: Perry Coleman Sent: 10/1/2002 3:41:37 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" > Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > > How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? > > I was born in DC, > raised in Oxon Hill, > went to college in Frostburg, > moved to Hyattsville after graduation, > moved to Annapolis with my bride to be, > moved to Gaithersburg because of a job, > and here I remain...for now... > > Other locals? > > Perry > > >From: Glenn Dysart > >To: Carl Parker , DCCycles , > > dan@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: WV ticket help > >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 04:34:23 -0700 (PDT) > > > >And too many damn people and houses now too! I'm > >almost ready to leave the area. > > > >Glenn > > > >--- Carl Parker wrote: > > > P.S. > > > Ya know...I've been feeling really down about living > > > in this area for > > > a while now. Maybe it'z cuz I was raised here and > > > have been around > > > too long or because there's just getting to be too > > > much money in > > > everything...or both. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:09:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91K9HSi007370; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:09:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91K9GFB007365; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:09:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 16:08:12 -0400 Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2002 20:09:13.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[692EE3D0:01C26986] Grew up in S.W. DC College in Shepherdstown WV Back to DC then to Arlington Now Alexandria -Rich > From: "Perry Coleman" > Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:41:37 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" > > Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > > How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? > > I was born in DC, > raised in Oxon Hill, > went to college in Frostburg, > moved to Hyattsville after graduation, > moved to Annapolis with my bride to be, > moved to Gaithersburg because of a job, > and here I remain...for now... > > Other locals? > > Perry > >> From: Glenn Dysart >> To: Carl Parker , DCCycles , >> dan@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: WV ticket help >> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 04:34:23 -0700 (PDT) >> >> And too many damn people and houses now too! I'm >> almost ready to leave the area. >> >> Glenn >> >> --- Carl Parker wrote: >>> P.S. >>> Ya know...I've been feeling really down about living >>> in this area for >>> a while now. Maybe it'z cuz I was raised here and >>> have been around >>> too long or because there's just getting to be too >>> much money in >>> everything...or both. >>> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:15:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91KFRSi007446; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:15:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91KFReO007436; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:15:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:15:18 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640918A@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" Thread-Index: AcJphCJFiTH7ja6YRLyvwu5NjfQmMQAAeV5A From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g91KFQSi007424 At 03:41 PM 10/1/2002, Perry Coleman wrote: >Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > >How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? > Yet another non-local here: Born in Poland. Moved to NYC at age of 12. Then it's onto NJ, PA, Foggy Bottom (school) and now, Vienna, VA. Washington is the biggest "small city" that I've ever seen. Witold http://witold.org/bike/bike.php3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:16:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91KGGSi007480; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:16:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91KGGDS007474; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:16:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021001201614.50797.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:16:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021001161101.01c3ff08@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oops. I forgot that I went to college in Shepherdstown too. (shrug) I drank a lot during that time of my life. > >born: Washington DC > >Arlington > >Heidelberg, Germany > >Arlington > >Tehran, Iran > >Arlington > >Sily, Belgium > >London, England > >Alexandria > >Arlington Shepherdstown, WV > >Falls Church > >Oakton > >Manassas > >Arlington > >Ashburn __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:33:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91KXnSi007717; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:33:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91KXn3U007709; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:33:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002c01c26989$cb0602c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: www.dcstandardbikes.com Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:31:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 How 'bout my fav: www.dcratbikes.com Paul in DC 86 VF500F< > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Sanath S wrote: > > > Just started up http://www.dcsportbikes.com, dedicated to DC area > > riding. > > I have a sudden urge to register http://www.dcstandardbikes.com/. Or > http://www.dctourers.com/? http://www.dcboringbikes.com/? > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:37:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91Kb4Si007773; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:37:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91Kb4TI007768; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:37:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 1 Oct 2002 20:37:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20021001203702.11797.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Also Born in DC @Cafritz Lived in Accokeek, Alexandria, Herndon, Accokeek again, Golden Beach, Indian Head, and now, Alexandria... Dave >> > > Ya know...I've been feeling really down about living >> > > in this area for >> > > a while now. Maybe it'z cuz I was raised here and >> > > have been around >> > > too long or because there's just getting to be too >> > > much money in >> > > everything...or both. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:47:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91KlqSi007854; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:47:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91Klpvv007842; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:47:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D9A09AA.5B6144F7@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 16:46:34 -0400 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perry Coleman wrote: > > Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > > How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? Born in NJ Raised in Great Falls Moved to McLean Moved again in McLean Moved to Sterling Moved again in Sterling 33 years in the area... Blue skies, Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 17:48:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91LmESi008176; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:48:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91LmD7W008168; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:48:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <012101c26994$301d5460$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:47:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Fish, you may want to try a "helmet halo" and get a reflective vest, as Rob mentioned. The only caveat with the helmet halos is that they seem to loose their elastic properties in a year or so of exposure to the elements. When I used to be a bicycle commuter, I wore the "halos" on my ankles, in addition to a light kit on the bike, and a reflective vest when riding after dark. Reflective pant legs are a good idea on the motorbike. My Motoport pants have a big ole stripe, and the Aerostich pants have a humongous rectangle. Your could make your own with reflective tape. VRTP (MSF in Virginia) gives away reflective stickers for use on your helmet, etc. I have some on my Givi cases. You can increase your conspicuity for not much money and without buying a $700 'Stich. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 6:32 AM Subject: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind > So SWMBO and I spent some time last night puttering about the place, I > leading on my bike, she following in my cage. For part of the time (around > dusk) I wasn't wearing my Camelbak; for part of the time (dark), I was. > > Apparently even with the Camelbak, which has a couple of reflective strips > on the back, I'm virtually invisible in the dark. Hmm, not a good > situation, since I usually ride in to work in the early wee hours of the > morning, while it's still dark. And I can't currently afford food, much > less that paragon of visibility the Hi-Viz Yellow 'Stich, so I'm trying to > come up with cheap ways to increase my visibility. > > Any ideas? So far I'm thinkin' reflective tape on the backs of my pant > legs, on my helmet, and maybe some reflector plates somehow attached to > the bike. Anyone done home-visibility improvements? > > Fish. > saw a goldwing last night lit up like a refinery, now that's high-viz > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 19:16:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91NGoSi008778; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:16:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91NGnGW008770; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:16:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:16:41 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind To: Paul Wilson Cc: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Message-id: <3D9A2CD9.74821884@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <012101c26994$301d5460$bb82fea9@palladio1> Paul Wilson wrote: > > Fish, you may want to try a "helmet halo" and get a reflective vest, as Rob > mentioned. The only caveat with the helmet halos is that they seem to loose > their elastic properties in a year or so of exposure to the elements. I'm a big fan of the helmet halos. They give you 360 degrees of conspicuity. Yeah, the elastic wimps out after a while, but I found that if you use a glue-stick type of glue between the neoprene band and the helmet, it really holds on tightly. Helmet halos don't work so well with flip-face or 3/4 helmets. I actually went back to a full face from a flip-front helmet partly because I missed having the halo. You can buy strips of reflective tape at almost any auto-parts store. They even sell the hi-viz white and red stuff you see on the backs of tractor trailers. You can cut that stuff up and stick it just about anywhere on the bike. I don't really care for this "tiny tail light" trend I'm seeing in modern bikes. It's almost criminal how manufacturers are getting away with putting less and less on the bike in terms of being seen. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 19:25:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91NPnSi008889; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:25:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91NPnfo008880; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:25:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:21:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind In-Reply-To: <3D9A2CD9.74821884@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20021001161642.Y69486-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Dale Horstman wrote: > I don't really care for this "tiny tail light" trend > I'm seeing in modern bikes. It's almost criminal how > manufacturers are getting away with putting less and less > on the bike in terms of being seen. > > Horkster They're just responding to consumer demand, Dale. Notice how many sportbikers who remove their rear signals, install tiny front flush mounts, use tail light integrators, etc? The custom hardtail/Harley guys are even worse. They use tiny tail lights and either don't have turn signals or use an integrator. I don't think it's a good idea, either. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 20:08:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92082Si009209; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:08:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92082FZ009202; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:08:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004001c269a7$c18c0870$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "Perry Coleman" , References: Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:07:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Here here, native one here also. Born in DC (at least they tell me, I was pretty young then)(and adopted) raised in Rockville and Mount Ranier college at Montgomery and American University lived in Rockville all the time (except for Air Force, North Dakota and Texas) moved to College Park upon marraige would like to move to Rockville/Gaithersburg, work in Aspen Hill and that is the rest of the story. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Coleman" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" > Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > > How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? > > I was born in DC, > raised in Oxon Hill, > went to college in Frostburg, > moved to Hyattsville after graduation, > moved to Annapolis with my bride to be, > moved to Gaithersburg because of a job, > and here I remain...for now... > > Other locals? > > Perry > > >From: Glenn Dysart > >To: Carl Parker , DCCycles , > > dan@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: WV ticket help > >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 04:34:23 -0700 (PDT) > > > >And too many damn people and houses now too! I'm > >almost ready to leave the area. > > > >Glenn > > > >--- Carl Parker wrote: > > > P.S. > > > Ya know...I've been feeling really down about living > > > in this area for > > > a while now. Maybe it'z cuz I was raised here and > > > have been around > > > too long or because there's just getting to be too > > > much money in > > > everything...or both. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 20:41:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g920fYSi009570; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:41:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g920fYdb009560; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:41:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D9A40BE.15318F5@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:41:34 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club - U.S.A. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Word of the Day Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop015.verizon.net from [141.157.126.50] at Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:41:23 -0500 Word of the Day Flexuous: This adjective ('fleck-shu-us) describes something having turns or windings; having alternate opposite curves; zigzag; wavy; flexible; adaptable; or even just flickering. Pretty much just what you thought it meant, right? She tried to follow his flexuous story, but it took so many different twists that she knew she would never understand his point. Or......... That road was flexuous! Let's ride it again! Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 20:54:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g920sUSi009655; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:54:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g920sTtv009647; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:54:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021001205031.023402b8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:51:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2002 00:53:48.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B08FAF0:01C269AE] At 03:41 PM 10/1/2002, you wrote: >Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > >How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? Born in New Orleans, moved here when I was 1 - been here 29 years ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 20:55:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g920tWSi009694; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:55:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g920tW9H009689; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:55:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021001205237.0236db70@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:54:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: County Differences In-Reply-To: <3E92FCE3.0C4B7BC8.00733C8A@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2002 00:54:51.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[5044D730:01C269AE] At 03:47 PM 10/1/2002, HiCapMag@XXXXXX wrote: >The policy does work, once you're aware of it -- I watch the dial real >close on the now-rare event that I traverse FairCo, Home of Pinhead >Policy. Let the list be fairly warned as well! Pinhead policy? There are rarely places to go over 90 and not be a menace (other than split second spurts of speed on a bike of course). Too much traffic. If DC starts getting like Miami's 95 corridor ... I'm moving..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 21:20:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g921KwSi009926; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:20:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g921Ks9x009907; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:20:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D9A4B3D.2B283EA7@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:26:21 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Perry Coleman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perry Coleman wrote: > Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > > How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? Nope, me be an east coast swamp rat. Born the year of the steel penny - Bayshore, NY Next stop Key west, FL On to South Carolina Back to Long Island, Oakdale, NY - started first grade at age 5 Off to Solomons Island, MD Then Lexington Park, MD Another stop in Oakdale, NY Left the coast for Rochester, MI - graduated HS 1960, age 16, my sixth school Catonsville, MD - enrolled in Catonsville Community College Drifted north to Ho-ho-kus, NJ, my penance for busting out of CCC - twice! Late 1962, arrived in Mclean, VA - gubmint job - took a few courses at UVA ext. Mars Hill, NC - decided to try college again - graduated 1966 - my third college Annandale, VA - lived with the folks prior to my wedding day. Salisbury, MD - taught junior high math Camp Springs, MD - teaching jr high Springfield, VA - started Modelmasters, Inc (TU in `85 after 15 years) Annandale, VA - 1970 - bought my house for $26,500! Jeez, whada lotta money! And I'm still the same house. I didn't want my kids to be living out of boxes, raised them here, both graduates of AHS. So what do the little boogers do? MOVE! Now I'm kinda stuck here! Well, until I hit the lottery... Bill - reformed drifter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 21:36:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g921aYSi010019; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:36:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g921aXC4010011; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:36:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:36:30 -0700 From: " Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: Re: County Differences Sender: mjordan812@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 199.174.229.253 >PS: Single best lesson of Pull-over Etiquette >is to answer every "do you know why I pulled >you, do you know how fast you were going?" >question with a very polite "I'm sorry, I simply >don't know." They mean it when they say "every >thing you say can and will be used against >you..." That can (and usually will) be interpreted that you weren't paying attention to what you were doing. The absolute BEST thing to say is nothing at all. If the ossifer gets testy, state that your attorney advised you not to make any statements in his (or her) absence. And then clam up. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 21:40:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g921eRSi010071; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:40:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g921eQF8010064; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:40:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:40:23 -0700 From: " Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If there was any doubt. Sender: mjordan812@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 199.174.229.253 >Mayor says cameras will make city money That's why God gave us radar detectors... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 23:16:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g923GkSi010626; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:16:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g923Gjax010618; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:16:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021001230904.009fdac0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:16:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Natives? In-Reply-To: <200210012300.g91N01tu008508@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Chris wrote: >born: Washington DC >Arlington >Heidelberg, Germany >Arlington >Tehran, Iran >Arlington >Sily, Belgium >London, England >Alexandria >Arlington >Falls Church >Oakton >Manassas >Arlington >Ashburn Looks like those last seven should only count as one, Chris. There oughta be a fifty-mile minimum move rule here. 8;) Edison, NJ Monte Rio, CA Fort Dix, NJ Monterey, CA Aberdeen, MD Kaiserslautern, Germany Berlin, Germany Cardiff, Wales Heidelberg, Germany An Khe, RVN Forked River, NJ Columbia, SC Princeton, NJ Gaithersburg (-> Germantown -> Hyattstown) Alexandria (Coming soon: Colorado?) With all those moves, like many others, I've now been in the DC area longer than any other region. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 06:02:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92A2eSi012927; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:02:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92A2dNj012918; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:02:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:00:58 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20021001200556.64377.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021001200556.64377.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02100206005815.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 01 October 2002 16:05, Chris Weaver wrote: > Here's my residential history. I have you beat, Aki. > Let's just say I know how to pack a moving box. :^) > > born: Washington DC > Arlington > Heidelberg, Germany > Arlington > Tehran, Iran > Arlington > Sily, Belgium > London, England > Alexandria > Arlington > Falls Church > Oakton > Manassas > Arlington > Ashburn > Pshaw. Up until the last 10 years or so, I moved 42 times since I was born. I had to get 15 years of addresses for a Top Secret clearance back in 82. Since I had my mom on the phone, I got them all the way back. I've been keeping up on the list since then and have it on CD somewhere. Basically: Richmond CA Bremerton WA San Diego CA Quansit Point RI Monterey CA San Diego CA Vallejo CA San Pablo CA San Diego CA [lots of CA -> WA -> CA traffic] At 17 I joined the Marine Reserves and went to boot camp during the summer between 10th and 11th grade. Dad retired from the Navy and we moved to Mt Arey MD At 19 when I graduated, I joined the Army as an MP. Ft McClellan Al Ft Meade Md Erlangen Germany Ft Belvoir VA Spotsylvania VA Stafford VA Woodbridge VA And here I am. I've been in the "area" other than Germany and Alabama since '75. > Chris Weaver > Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 06:08:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92A8FSi012982; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:08:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92A8FIc012970; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:08:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: llarson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Natives? Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:06:47 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021001230904.009fdac0@mail.9netave.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021001230904.009fdac0@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02100206064716.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 01 October 2002 23:16, llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > (Coming soon: Colorado?) > We're looking at that next year as well. My mother passed away back in December and with the inheritence we're going to buy a 20 acre parcel in Montana. My wife is another sort of drifter (New York, Florida, Colorado, here) and wants to go back west. Anywhere but DC! Do you have a particular destination in mind or just: "Go west young man!" > With all those moves, like many others, I've now been in the DC area longer > than any other region. > Same here. 14 schools though and no college. > -- Larry Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 07:16:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92BGASi013276; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:16:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92BG7Z4013257; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:16:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If there was any doubt. Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 07:20:56 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g92BG6Si013245 except they dont' use radar, they use speed distance calculations from road magnetic sensors. Slow down for all interesections anyway. On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:40:23 -0700, " Michael Jordan" wrote: >>Mayor says cameras will make city money > >That's why God gave us radar detectors... > >Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 08:30:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92CUkSi013647; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:30:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92CUhjg013630; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:30:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200210021230.IAA19406@boo-mda02.boo.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: DC native here too. Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:30:42 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 From: "Perry Coleman" Yup, me too. Born Columbia Women's Hospital. Arlington for a very short while. Chevy Chase until I was finished with college. I have now landed in Potomac but wish to venture further in to Bethesda when financially possible. Husband was also born in DC and he grew up in Bethesda. Lisa '95 VFR To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:41:37 -0400 Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? I was born in DC, raised in Oxon Hill, went to college in Frostburg, moved to Hyattsville after graduation, moved to Annapolis with my bride to be, moved to Gaithersburg because of a job, and here I remain...for now... Other locals? Perry --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 08:44:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92CiUSi013717; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:44:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92CiTic013709; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:44:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <8DEE4C18B7FDB04D9D09458266EA1B6B09DA12@www.email.gmabrands.com> From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: If there was any doubt. Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:40:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I agree that we should watch our speed and slow down, but the question becomes whether the road magnetic sensors will be able to properly track the speed and distance of motorcycles. Also what would happen if a group were riding through the city in a staggered formation? Would the cameras snap the correct individual??? -----Original Message----- From: Motor PsychoL Danny [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 7:21 AM To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If there was any doubt. except they dont' use radar, they use speed distance calculations from road magnetic sensors. Slow down for all interesections anyway. On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:40:23 -0700, " Michael Jordan" wrote: >>Mayor says cameras will make city money > >That's why God gave us radar detectors... > >Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 09:05:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92D5nSi013857; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:05:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92D5nN2013851; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:05:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 2 Oct 2002 13:05:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20021002130547.4380.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: RE: If there was any doubt. X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Scott, the diet coke of evil asked (re: DC's ticket everyone policy) Also what would happen if a group were >riding through the city in a staggered formation? Would the cameras snap >the correct individual??? [Dave] Most assuredly. You're not questioning the patriotism of DC Government, are you, Comrade ? :-/ The way the DC camera programs work, they take 1 biiiiiiiig picture, with all kinds of cars, trucks & motorcycles in it. Every vehicle - even parked ones - gets a ticket. Tickets, tickets, tickets. It doesn't matter that there was no identification of the actual perpatrator, you as the owner will do. Didn't DC just have a control board because the government couldn't manage their money ? Didn't they get rid of the control board, not too long ago ? Now, a scant few years later, they still can't live within their means. Revoke home rule. it was a mistake, still is. As long as the voters keep sending the same crooks to office, this is what will prevail. All those years we scoffed at the idea of a DC commuter tax... maybe we should've agreed... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 09:34:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92DYKSi014118; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:34:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92DYKxg014105; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:34:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004101c26a18$5c3a9e20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20021002130547.4380.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Subject: OT, Re: If there was any doubt. Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:33:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Didn't DC just have a control board because the government couldn't manage their money ? Didn't they get rid of the control board, not too long ago ? Now, a scant few years later, they still can't live within their means. > Revoke home rule. it was a mistake, still is. Under your logic the Commonwealth of Va. and State of Md. need a control board too. They're both broke and "can't live within their means." You're also having pronoun trouble. The "they" you refer to is the US Congress, not the District Gov't. That's who writes the home rule legislation, makes changes the DC charter at will, decides whether we can count the votes on a marijuana referendum, etc. They set up the control board, they abolished the control board, and they write the DC budget every year, including deciding what taxes I'm going to pay. The only thing they can't touch is the 23rd Amendment, or they'd probably tinker with that too. If you want to beat up on someone, get angry at Congress, not the voters of the District. The buck really does stop with Congress and *you* have one representative and two senators in that body. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 09:49:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92DntSi014250; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:49:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92DntLe014238; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:49:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021002134952.85479.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:49:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: County Differences To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ...which would then lead the officer to believe that you're trying to be a prick. I wouldn't expect any lenience from him if you pull that ploy. It just goes to show you that you're damned if you do and damned if you don't when it comes to America's f@#$ed up police and legal systems. Sigh... I'd better not get started or I'm bound to piss off Withrow and Gimer and probably a few others around here with my opinions... :^\ Chris Weaver --- Michael Jordan wrote: > The absolute BEST thing to say is nothing at all. > > If the ossifer gets testy, state that your attorney > advised you not to make > any statements in his (or her) absence. > > And then clam up. > > Michael J. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 09:50:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92DonSi014287; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:50:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92DondC014283; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:50:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 2 Oct 2002 13:50:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20021002135047.6565.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT, Re: If there was any doubt. X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Paul Pounded the keyboard with: >> Didn't DC just have a control board because the government couldn't manage >their money ? Didn't they get rid of the control board, not too long ago ? >Now, a scant few years later, they still can't live within their means. >> Revoke home rule. it was a mistake, still is. >Under your logic the Commonwealth of Va. and State of Md. need a control >board too. [Dave] Now that you mention it... that might not be such a bad idea... Jeebus, VA has spent, spent, spent... They're both broke and "can't live within their means." >You're also having pronoun trouble. The "they" you refer to is the US >Congress, not the District Gov't. [Dave] Congress allocates / approves the AMOUNT of money, but the DC government officials SPEND, or more appropriately, SQUANDER it. ... >If you want to beat up on someone, get angry at Congress, not the >voters of the District. The buck really does stop with Congress and *you* >have one representative and two senators in that body. [Dave] Maybe that control board suggestion is a good idea for a new referendum ! No balanced budget ? - YOU'RE UN elected, FIRED AND you don't get paid ! Governments are like children, in that if you give a child a candy bar, they will want more. Just like children, sometimes, government officials need to be disciplined. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 10:28:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92ESwSi014676; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:28:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92ESvYH014672; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:28:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021002142855.16448.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:28:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: County Differences To: mjordan812@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Michael Jordan wrote: > >PS: Single best lesson of Pull-over Etiquette > >is to answer every "do you know why I pulled > >you, do you know how fast you were going?" > >question with a very polite "I'm sorry, I simply > >don't know." They mean it when they say "every > >thing you say can and will be used against > >you..." > > That can (and usually will) be interpreted that you > weren't paying attention > to what you were doing. > > The absolute BEST thing to say is nothing at all. > > If the ossifer gets testy, state that your attorney > advised you not to make > any statements in his (or her) absence. > > And then clam up. well, to a certain extent (providing background information to the police) it could be argued that this is hindering/obstructing justice. alternatively, it might be argued that, when confronted with a question that SHOULD be answered, your silence can be treated as an admission. ain't the law grand? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 10:39:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92EdUSi014808; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:39:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92EdTUl014797; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:39:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021002143927.33688.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:39:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: County Differences To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021002134952.85479.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Weaver wrote: > ...which would then lead the officer to believe that > you're trying to be a prick. I wouldn't expect any > lenience from him if you pull that ploy. It just goes > to show you that you're damned if you do and damned if > you don't when it comes to America's f@#$ed up police > and legal systems. > > Sigh... I'd better not get started or I'm bound to > piss off Withrow and Gimer and probably a few others > around here with my opinions... :^\ that would be withrow OR gimer. we're on different teams. and don't worry about pissing me off with discussions on topics such as this. the alternative is ANOTHER california superbike school thread. > --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > The absolute BEST thing to say is nothing at all. > > > > If the ossifer gets testy, state that your attorney > > advised you not to make > > any statements in his (or her) absence. > > > > And then clam up. be sure to specifically invoke your 5th amendment right to counsel if you're going this route.... but for a minor traffic offense this sounds like a bit much. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 10:46:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92Ek7Si014935; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:46:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92Ek6BK014927; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:46:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D9B06AB.3080001@linuxfoundary.com> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 10:46:03 -0400 From: Dave Strout User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020326 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 1995 Suzuki Katana For Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Note: If this is out of line, my apologies. I didn't see any prohibition on private sales on the web site, so I'm assuming this is OK. Thanks!) 1995 Suzuki Katana 750. Dark metallic red with smoked windshield. Never raced / never dropped, 10000 careful miles. Has been sitting in my garage last 2 years, so needs battery, choke cable, and gas tank reinstalled (removed to truck it to new house -- have all parts). $3400 O.B.O if you pick it up, $3800 if I fix it up first. Call Dave at 301-869-0818 or email dstrout@XXXXXX. Located Gaithersburg, MD. thanks, dave. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 10:47:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92ElbSi014979; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:47:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92ElbbQ014971; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:47:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021002144736.69386.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:47:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: County Differences To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021002143927.33688.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Perhaps, but you both suckle from the same teat. Chris Weaver --- Tom Gimer wrote: > that would be withrow OR gimer. we're on different > teams. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 10:54:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92EsZSi015079; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:54:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92EsYXe015071; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:54:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:59:29 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: County Differences In-Reply-To: <20021002143927.33688.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > be sure to specifically invoke your 5th amendment right to > counsel if you're going this route.... but for a minor > traffic offense this sounds like a bit much. > -- > tg > While I don't see a good reason to admit the exact speed you were going, playing stupid or silent with a cop is a bit much. You are likely to piss him/her off. Cop have hard jobs, playing that roadside BS isn't going to make them any more lenient. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 10:56:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92EuOSi015126; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:56:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92EuNxb015121; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:56:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00fc01c26a23$d2fa16c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <20021002135047.6565.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Subject: Re: OT, Re: If there was any doubt. Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:54:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: > > They're both broke and "can't live within their means." > >You're also having pronoun trouble. The "they" you refer to is the US > >Congress, not the District Gov't. > > [Dave] Congress allocates / approves the AMOUNT of money, but the DC government officials SPEND, or more appropriately, SQUANDER it. > Congress does have a lot to say about the District spends even its local funds, to the point that the 107th Congress prattled on for 37 single spaced pages in the FY02 appropriations bill. http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_bills&doc id=f:h2944enr.txt.pdf Paul From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 11:00:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92F0dSi015191; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:00:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92F0cnr015187; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:00:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021002105756.01d08cb0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:00:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: County Differences In-Reply-To: References: <20021002143927.33688.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:59 AM 10/2/2002, dan wrote: > > be sure to specifically invoke your 5th amendment right to > > counsel if you're going this route.... but for a minor > > traffic offense this sounds like a bit much. > > -- > > tg > > > >While I don't see a good reason to admit the exact speed you were going, >playing stupid or silent with a cop is a bit much. You are likely to piss >him/her off. Cop have hard jobs, playing that roadside BS isn't going to >make them any more lenient. > >Dan very true IMHO, although the cop in Lovettsville still wrote me up for over 20mph, he specifically said that the reason he wasn't writing me up for reckless was because I was cooperative and cordial. Isn't it sad that how you *act* has more to do with what you'll be written up for than what you *did*. Exactly the same reason you don't go to court dressed for the beach. I have absolutely zero doubt that if I had paid him the silent treatment, I'd be attending court right now for reckless. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 11:15:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92FFRSi015352; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:15:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92FFQgf015345; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:15:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021002110925.009e9030@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:14:43 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Natives? In-Reply-To: <02100206064716.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021001230904.009fdac0@mail.9netave.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20021001230904.009fdac0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:06 AM 10/2/02, Carl Schelin wrote: >On Tuesday 01 October 2002 23:16, llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > > (Coming soon: Colorado?) > > > >We're looking at that next year as well. My mother passed away back in >December and with the inheritence we're going to buy a 20 acre parcel in >Montana. My wife is another sort of drifter (New York, Florida, Colorado, >here) and wants to go back west. Anywhere but DC! > >Do you have a particular destination in mind or just: "Go west young man!" Location will probably be dictated by jobs. Our best friend has a house in Thornton; Nancy went to school in Fort Collins, and her mother lives in Colorado Springs, where we got married in August. But she's a contender for a good job in Boulder, and I'm considering a job in Littleton, so we'd probably have to live in the western suburbs, maybe Golden. I don't think we'd consider "downtown" Denver, because it's a pretty unattractive city with no real downtown focus (the 16th St. mall continues to decline.) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 11:18:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92FIoSi015402; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:18:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92FIoBn015398; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:18:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021002111652.01d129d0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:18:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: DC Natives? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021002110925.009e9030@mail.9netave.com> References: <02100206064716.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <5.1.0.14.0.20021001230904.009fdac0@XXXXXX> <5.1.0.14.0.20021001230904.009fdac0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:14 AM 10/2/2002, llarson@XXXXXX wrote: >At 06:06 AM 10/2/02, Carl Schelin wrote: >>On Tuesday 01 October 2002 23:16, llarson@XXXXXX wrote: >> > (Coming soon: Colorado?) >> > >> >>We're looking at that next year as well. My mother passed away back in >>December and with the inheritence we're going to buy a 20 acre parcel in >>Montana. My wife is another sort of drifter (New York, Florida, Colorado, >>here) and wants to go back west. Anywhere but DC! >> >>Do you have a particular destination in mind or just: "Go west young man!" > >Location will probably be dictated by jobs. Our best friend has a house in >Thornton; Nancy went to school in Fort Collins, and her mother lives in >Colorado Springs, where we got married in August. But she's a contender >for a good job in Boulder, and I'm considering a job in Littleton, so we'd >probably have to live in the western suburbs, maybe Golden. I don't think >we'd consider "downtown" Denver, because it's a pretty unattractive city >with no real downtown focus (the 16th St. mall continues to decline.) > >-- Larry ..Colorado probably has the highest number of brewpubs in the US..mmmm also...live as FAR away from Pueblo as possible. I was really disappointed with Co. Springs last time I went back there. There's many areas that I use to frequent that are run down and are considered the "bad" part of town now. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 11:32:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92FWDSi015540; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:32:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92FWDFM015534; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:32:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: llarson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Natives? Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:30:43 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021001230904.009fdac0@mail.9netave.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20021002110925.009e9030@mail.9netave.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021002110925.009e9030@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210021130431D.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 02 October 2002 11:14, llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > At 06:06 AM 10/2/02, Carl Schelin wrote: > >On Tuesday 01 October 2002 23:16, llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > > > (Coming soon: Colorado?) > > > >We're looking at that next year as well. My mother passed away back in > >December and with the inheritence we're going to buy a 20 acre parcel in > >Montana. My wife is another sort of drifter (New York, Florida, Colorado, > >here) and wants to go back west. Anywhere but DC! > > > >Do you have a particular destination in mind or just: "Go west young man!" > > Location will probably be dictated by jobs. Our best friend has a house in > Thornton; Nancy went to school in Fort Collins, and her mother lives in > Colorado Springs, where we got married in August. But she's a contender for > a good job in Boulder, and I'm considering a job in Littleton, so we'd > probably have to live in the western suburbs, maybe Golden. I don't think > we'd consider "downtown" Denver, because it's a pretty unattractive city > with no real downtown focus (the 16th St. mall continues to decline.) > Colo Spgs eh? Rita was living in Aurora when we met. We got married two years ago, Oct 31st. Her daughter was living in Winter Park until October when she moved in with us :-/ Definately jobs though. She wants to go back but my qualifier is that I have a job before I go. I'm used to living in a certain way and getting a drastic pay cut isn't going to be happy for my way of life :-) > -- Larry Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 11:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92FXASi015583; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:33:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92FXAk7015577; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:33:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Natives? Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:31:39 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <02100206064716.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <5.1.0.14.0.20021001230904.009fdac0@mail.9netave.com> <5.1.1.5.2.20021002111652.01d129d0@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021002111652.01d129d0@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210021131391E.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 02 October 2002 11:18, Aki Damme wrote: > At 11:14 AM 10/2/2002, llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > >At 06:06 AM 10/2/02, Carl Schelin wrote: > >>On Tuesday 01 October 2002 23:16, llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > >> > (Coming soon: Colorado?) > >> > >>We're looking at that next year as well. My mother passed away back in > >>December and with the inheritence we're going to buy a 20 acre parcel in > >>Montana. My wife is another sort of drifter (New York, Florida, Colorado, > >>here) and wants to go back west. Anywhere but DC! > >> > >>Do you have a particular destination in mind or just: "Go west young > >> man!" > > > >Location will probably be dictated by jobs. Our best friend has a house in > >Thornton; Nancy went to school in Fort Collins, and her mother lives in > >Colorado Springs, where we got married in August. But she's a contender > >for a good job in Boulder, and I'm considering a job in Littleton, so we'd > >probably have to live in the western suburbs, maybe Golden. I don't think > >we'd consider "downtown" Denver, because it's a pretty unattractive city > >with no real downtown focus (the 16th St. mall continues to decline.) > > > >-- Larry > > ...Colorado probably has the highest number of brewpubs in the US..mmmm > Too bad I don't drink :-) > also...live as FAR away from Pueblo as possible. > Yea, Rita says that too. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 12:05:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92G5PSi015902; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:05:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92G5OA1015891; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:05:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <164.14e5ff57.2acc7210@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:00:16 EDT Subject: Re: County Differences To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/1/2002 3:47:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, HiCapMag@XXXXXX writes: > answer every "do you know why I pulled you, do you know how fast you were > going?" question with a very polite "I'm sorry, I simply don't know." "I was too busy watching out for idiots in cars, _they_ are dangerous." John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 12:19:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92GJWSi016069; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:19:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92GJWK5016061; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:19:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ED364@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: From CNN: Unhappy with that speeding ticket? E-mail it to the jud ge. Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:20:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/10/02/email.court/index.html Lady Justice goes digital Yakima traffic offenders get their day in court via the Web By Jeordan Legon (CNN) Wednesday, October 2, 2002 Posted: 9:29 AM EDT (1329 GMT) (CNN) -- Unhappy with that speeding ticket? E-mail it to the judge. A court in Yakima, Washington is taking Lady Justice digital by allowing drivers to e-mail their excuses or explanations instead of appearing in court. Other courts allow attorneys to file briefs online. And many counties let offenders pay traffic fines on the Web. But Yakima County is believed to be the first court in the country to let defendants plead their cases via e-mail. The county is doing it to ease court overcrowding. In addition, defendants don't have to miss a day of work to appear before the judge. "This allows someone to sit in the convenience of their home, organize their thoughts and send it in," said Gloria Hintze, a court administrator. Limited availability The program is only available for minor infractions such as speeding, running a stop sign or missing a tail light. And only those who plead guilty and ask for a mitigation hearing are allowed to participate. But it's ideal for those who want their traffic fine lowered or thrown out, Hintze said. The court also allows people to appear before the judge -- the old-fashioned way -- and accepts written responses by regular mail . So far, about half of the 2,500 mitigation hearings the court handles each year are handled via mail, which inspired the more convenient e-mail program, Hintze said. Yakima is testing the digital waters. But across the country, many judges are wary of launching such programs, said Lin Walker, who researches technology for the National Center for State Courts. Tough questions She said judges struggle with the impact of allowing attorneys to use computers to present evidence in court. "Does the proficiency of operating that equipment take away from the integrity of the proceedings?" Walker asked. In Yakima, all e-mails from litigants are handled on secure servers. A judge still opens a hearing in the courtroom, reads the e-mail and issues a verdict. The court clerk later mails the verdict. Walker, who monitors tech advances at state courts nationwide, said she expects more judges to at least consider launching such programs. "The Internet opens up a whole new ball of wax" for the courts, she said. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 12:23:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92GNHSi016131; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:23:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92GNHAT016124; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:23:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021002162315.33598.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:23:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: From CNN: Unhappy with that speeding ticket? E-mail it to the jud ge. To: "'DCCycles'" In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ED364@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii weak research by cnn. i handled a plea via email to a county court in Michigan in summer '01. --- Rich Hall wrote: > http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/10/02/email.court/index.html > > Lady Justice goes digital > Yakima traffic offenders get their day in court via the > Web > By Jeordan Legon (CNN) > Wednesday, October 2, 2002 Posted: 9:29 AM EDT (1329 GMT) > (CNN) -- Unhappy with that speeding ticket? E-mail it to > the judge. > A court in Yakima, Washington is taking Lady Justice > digital by allowing > drivers to e-mail their excuses or explanations instead > of appearing in > court. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 12:33:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92GX7Si016234; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:33:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92GX6fx016226; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:33:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 2 Oct 2002 16:33:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20021002163305.1581.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: From CNN: Unhappy with that speeding ticket? E-mail it to the jud ge. X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) This is a move away from goodness. The only defense citizens have against money grubbing police departments is our ability to have our day in court, thus, forcing the state to prove it's case, not just 'you got the ticket, you're guilty'. Making it easier to ease overcrowding is another way of eroding the right to confront your accuser in open court and make them testify. Be very afraid. Dave >weak research by cnn. i handled a plea via email to a >county court in Michigan in summer '01. >--- Rich Hall wrote: >> >http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/10/02/email.court/index.html >> >> Lady Justice goes digital >> Yakima traffic offenders get their day in court via the >> Web >> By Jeordan Legon (CNN) >> Wednesday, October 2, 2002 Posted: 9:29 AM EDT (1329 GMT) >> (CNN) -- Unhappy with that speeding ticket? E-mail it to >> the judge. >> A court in Yakima, Washington is taking Lady Justice >> digital by allowing >> drivers to e-mail their excuses or explanations instead >> of appearing in >> court. >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! >http://sbc.yahoo.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 12:37:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92GbrSi016297; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:37:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92GbrX3016290; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:37:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021002163745.60437.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:37:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: DC native here too. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200210021230.IAA19406@boo-mda02.boo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Me too, born at GW. Lived in Alexandria, then Austria, then Alexandria, Charlottesville, Alexandria, Chicago, Charlottesville, Arlington, and now home in the District again. Next move is to France, 2005? --- lisagoddard@XXXXXX wrote: > From: "Perry Coleman" > Yup, me too. > Born Columbia Women's Hospital. > Arlington for a very short while. > Chevy Chase until I was finished with college. > I have now landed in Potomac but wish to venture > further in to Bethesda when > financially possible. > > Husband was also born in DC and he grew up in > Bethesda. > > Lisa > '95 VFR > > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" > Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:41:37 -0400 > > Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > > How many of us, on this list, are native to the > area? > > I was born in DC, > raised in Oxon Hill, > went to college in Frostburg, > moved to Hyattsville after graduation, > moved to Annapolis with my bride to be, > moved to Gaithersburg because of a job, > and here I remain...for now... > > Other locals? > > Perry > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. > http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 12:43:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92Gh7Si016380; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:43:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92Gh63F016371; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:43:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <8DEE4C18B7FDB04D9D09458266EA1B6B09DA18@www.email.gmabrands.com> From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Native? Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:39:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Born in Falls Church Lived in DC Moved to Giessen, Germany Moved to Fort Gordon, Georgia Moved to Belvidere, IL Moved to Bad Saarow, Germany Moved to Bloomington, IL Moved to Berlin, Germany Moved to Oxford, England Moved to Silver Spring, MD Moved to Mira, Italy Moved to Silver Spring, MD Moved to Alexandria, VA Likely moving to Arlington, VA next and either buying a house or moving to Europe next. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 13:23:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92HN3Si016645; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:23:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92HN2kF016631; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:23:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021002172255.81682.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:22:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: County Differences To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021002134952.85479.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Sigh... I'd better not get started or I'm bound to > piss off Withrow and Gimer and probably a few others > around here with my opinions... :^\ > > Chris Weaver > I am perfectly capable of debating the merits and flaws of our judicial system without getting pissed off. I am a firm believer in the motto that you get what you pay for. And when it comes to a responsible police force, you get what you are willing to accept. If the community allows the PD to treat them poorly, then that is what they get, ie PG county. If they allow ineptitude and corruption, then that is what they get, ie DC. If they demand a well trained professional police department and are willing to fund it, then that is what they get, ie Fairfax County. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 13:30:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92HU3Si016722; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:30:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92HU3T2016717; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:30:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021002173000.20679.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:30:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: County Differences To: Todd Withrow , Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021002172255.81682.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, let's talk about Alexandria city. I was pulled over and the officer asked me why I didn't have a motorcycle endorsement on my license. I had to point it out to him. Now...I would think that a Virginia Police Officer would be able to read a Virginia license, but apparently it's not the case. Steve --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > --- Chris Weaver wrote: > > > Sigh... I'd better not get started or I'm bound to > > piss off Withrow and Gimer and probably a few > others > > around here with my opinions... :^\ > > > > Chris Weaver > > > > I am perfectly capable of debating the merits and > flaws of our judicial system without getting pissed > off. > > I am a firm believer in the motto that you get what > you pay for. And when it comes to a responsible > police > force, you get what you are willing to accept. If > the > community allows the PD to treat them poorly, then > that is what they get, ie PG county. If they allow > ineptitude and corruption, then that is what they > get, > ie DC. If they demand a well trained professional > police department and are willing to fund it, then > that is what they get, ie Fairfax County. > > ===== > AIM: Inf DS > > http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now > society wants to childproof the world. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 13:34:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92HYdSi016780; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:34:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92HYdJb016774; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:34:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021002133131.01d30e98@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 13:34:25 -0400 To: Steven Burrow , Todd Withrow , Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: County Differences In-Reply-To: <20021002173000.20679.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021002172255.81682.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:30 PM 10/2/2002, Steven Burrow wrote: >Well, let's talk about Alexandria city. I was pulled >over and the officer asked me why I didn't have a >motorcycle endorsement on my license. I had to point >it out to him. Now...I would think that a Virginia >Police Officer would be able to read a Virginia >license, but apparently it's not the case. >Steve my wife got pulled over in Reston by one of Fairfaxs finest. Reason? He told her that he knew she was *thinking* about making an illegal left turn and warned her that if she had followed through he would of written her a ticket! She was in the right turn lane and accidently turned on the left turn signal for about 1 second before correcting it. All of this at a red stop light! She told him that and he stood there and lectured her for about 3 minutes about how she was basically lying and he KNEW what she intended to do! Now they're pulling us over for illegal THINKING for christs sake! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 13:34:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92HYkSi016829; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:34:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92HYktS016819; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:34:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021002173439.25823.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:34:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: County Differences To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021002105756.01d08cb0@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Aki Damme wrote: > Isn't it sad that how > you *act* has more to do with what you'll be written > up for than what you > *did*. The alternative is to pass a law removing the officers power of discretion. Then they would be required to write you for the exact offense you committed. I don't know if it is sad that you are sometimes cut a break for politeness. Remember, officers are human too. Most are not out there looking to slam as many people as possible. Most would rather catch murderers and rapist, but traffic enforcement is part of the job also. Do you enjoy every single aspect of your job? Do you get to pick and choose what aspects of your job you will do? Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 13:43:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92HhFSi016892; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:43:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92HhFZv016886; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:43:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021002174308.5362.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:43:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: County Differences To: Steven Burrow , Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021002173000.20679.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Steven Burrow wrote: > Well, let's talk about Alexandria city. I was pulled > over and the officer asked me why I didn't have a > motorcycle endorsement on my license. I had to point > it out to him. Now...I would think that a Virginia > Police Officer would be able to read a Virginia > license, but apparently it's not the case. > Steve > Alexandria City pays ok, but the retirement sucks. The reason I don't work there. Now on to your encounter. What action did you take following your encounter? Did you send a letter to the Chief asking why his officers cannot read and decipher a DL? If not, then you have accepted it, thus lose the right to bitch about poorly trained officers. :^) Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 13:43:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92HhjSi016932; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:43:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92HhjcD016928; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:43:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 2 Oct 2002 17:43:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20021002174344.14280.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: County Differences X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) >Well, let's talk about Alexandria city. I was pulled >over and the officer asked me why I didn't have a >motorcycle endorsement on my license. I had to point >it out to him. [Dave] I'm going to stick up for Alexandria city - at least the cops directing traffic at high volume intersections. I wish they were at MORE intersections during rush hour... NOT the meter maids though ;-) Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 13:50:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92HosSi017006; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:50:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92Hos9t016998; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:50:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021002175047.88135.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:50:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: County Differences To: Aki Damme , Steven Burrow , Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021002133131.01d30e98@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Aki Damme wrote: > Now they're pulling us over for illegal THINKING for > christs sake! > Pretty stupid action by the officer. What he did was wrong. If no offense was committed, he had no right to detain you. Did you do anything about it or did you accept it? Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 14:02:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92I2hSi017128; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:02:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92I2g9I017120; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:02:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021002140153.01cd1918@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 14:02:32 -0400 To: Todd Withrow From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: County Differences Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021002175047.88135.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20021002133131.01d30e98@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:50 PM 10/2/2002, you wrote: >--- Aki Damme wrote: > > > Now they're pulling us over for illegal THINKING for > > christs sake! > > > >Pretty stupid action by the officer. What he did was >wrong. If no offense was committed, he had no right to >detain you. > >Did you do anything about it or did you accept it? > >Todd W. we called the Lt at the Reston station and complained. He said "he would look into it". That's the last we ever heard of it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 14:31:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92IVmSi017377; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:31:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92IVltV017366; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:31:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021002183145.76092.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:31:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: From CNN: Unhappy with that speeding ticket? E-mail it to the jud ge. To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021002163305.1581.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i disagree. because there are people who are content to fight in a half-assed manner (such as by email, adjudication by mail, etc.), courtrooms are freed up to those of us who are aggressively pursuing our rights. --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > This is a move away from goodness. The only defense > citizens have against money grubbing police departments > is our ability to have our day in court, thus, forcing > the state to prove it's case, not just 'you got the > ticket, you're guilty'. Making it easier to ease > overcrowding is another way of eroding the right to > confront your accuser in open court and make them > testify. Be very afraid. > > Dave > > >weak research by cnn. i handled a plea via email to a > >county court in Michigan in summer '01. > >--- Rich Hall wrote: > >> > >http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/10/02/email.court/index.html > >> > >> Lady Justice goes digital > >> Yakima traffic offenders get their day in court via > the > >> Web __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 14:39:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92IdsSi017449; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:39:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92IdsP3017445; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:39:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 2 Oct 2002 18:39:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20021002183952.7036.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: From CNN: Unhappy with that speeding ticket? E-mail it to the jud ge. X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) >i disagree. >because there are people who are content to fight in a >half-assed manner (such as by email, adjudication by mail, >etc.), courtrooms are freed up to those of us who are >aggressively pursuing our rights. [Dave] And once they realize this, they will mandate that traffic (minor) offenses be adjudicated electronically. Then beating a traffic ticket will be about the difficulty level of Parting the Red Sea, getting a DC parking ticket error fixed, or convincing the IRS that they owe you money. Shouldn't the paramount concern of the court NOT be how many citations can be processed, but did the accused have a fair trial ? Dave (who is NOT doing a reply ALL)... >--- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >> >> This is a move away from goodness. The only defense >> citizens have against money grubbing police departments >> is our ability to have our day in court, thus, forcing >> the state to prove it's case, not just 'you got the >> ticket, you're guilty'. Making it easier to ease >> overcrowding is another way of eroding the right to >> confront your accuser in open court and make them >> testify. Be very afraid. >> >> Dave >> >> >weak research by cnn. i handled a plea via email to a >> >county court in Michigan in summer '01. >> >--- Rich Hall wrote: >> >> >> >>http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/10/02/email.court/index.html >> >> >> >> Lady Justice goes digital >> >> Yakima traffic offenders get their day in court via >> the >> >> Web >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! >http://sbc.yahoo.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 15:12:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92JCnSi017704; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:12:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92JCnHA017699; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:12:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021002191247.68983.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:12:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: From CNN: Unhappy with that speeding ticket? E-mail it to the jud ge. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021002183952.7036.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > >i disagree. > >because there are people who are content to fight in a > >half-assed manner (such as by email, adjudication by > mail, > >etc.), courtrooms are freed up to those of us who are > >aggressively pursuing our rights. > > [Dave] And once they realize this, they will mandate > that traffic (minor) offenses be adjudicated > electronically. Then beating a traffic ticket will be > about the difficulty level of Parting the Red Sea, > getting a DC parking ticket error fixed, or convincing > the IRS that they owe you money. ah, the slippery slope argument. this really depends upon the legislators involved.... whom some of us actually go out and vote for. however, your point is a good one in that it is dangerous to allow the perceived "importance" of a particular type of criminal charge relegate it automatically to an expedited form of dispute resolution. we're talking here about an optional one, comparable to adjudication by mail which, i believe, has been an option in virginia for 15+ years. [note: don't attempt adjudication by mail in virginia for a 95/55 charge] > Shouldn't the paramount concern of the court NOT be how > many citations can be processed, but did the accused have > a fair trial ? i believe that a trial can always be requested. check the back of your parking tickets (even your dc tickets!), moving violations, criminal summons, etc. > Dave (who is NOT doing a reply ALL)... sorry, i should have known after all of this time that you are certainly NOT a digester. -- tg > >--- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > >> > >> This is a move away from goodness. The only defense > >> citizens have against money grubbing police > departments > >> is our ability to have our day in court, thus, forcing > >> the state to prove it's case, not just 'you got the > >> ticket, you're guilty'. Making it easier to ease > >> overcrowding is another way of eroding the right to > >> confront your accuser in open court and make them > >> testify. Be very afraid. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 16:29:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92KTUSi018261; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:29:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92KTT53018252; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:29:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:29:20 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: OT, Re: If there was any doubt. To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles list Message-id: <3D9B5720.B8EE85C7@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021002130547.4380.qmail@server445.gisol.com> <004101c26a18$5c3a9e20$bb82fea9@palladio1> Paul Wilson wrote: > Under your logic the Commonwealth of Va. and State of Md. need a control > board too. They're both broke and "can't live within their means." That *might* not be a half-bad idea. It sure beats raising taxes. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 16:54:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92KsUSi018424; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:54:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92KsTxr018419; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:54:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:59:25 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: more ebay crack smoking Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1865283241 90K... and appraised for $125k. Time for an insurance job. Dan -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 17:52:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92LqsSi018814; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:52:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92Lqroq018799; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:52:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021002175214.01d3ba58@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 17:52:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: more ebay crack smoking In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:59 PM 10/2/2002, you wrote: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1865283241 > >90K... and appraised for $125k. Time for an insurance job. > >Dan > >-- holy bejeezus! Whatever he's smoking isn't from THIS planet! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 18:41:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92MfGSi019117; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:41:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92MfGwM019113; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:41:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:40:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2002 22:40:09.0417 (UTC) FILETIME=[A994CB90:01C26A64] This is joke right? Or, does a Merit badge come with it? Biker's Credo 1. I ride purely, and only, because it is fun. [It's also cheap on gas... but that's about it] 2. I ride because I enjoy the freedom I feel from being exposed to the elements, and the vulnerability to the danger that is intrinsic to riding. [I'm really glad it sez elements] 3. I do not ride because it is fashionable to do so. [there is some form and fashion attached to this] 4. I ride my machine, not wear it. My machine is not a symbol of status. It exists simply for me, and me alone. My machine is not a toy. It is an extension of my being, and I will treat it accordingly, with the same respect as I have for myself. [okay... who read Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenence?] 5. I strive to understand the inner-workings of my machine, from the most basic to the most complex. I will learn everything I can about my machine, so that I am reliant upon no one but myself for its health and well-being. [That's why a few people on this list don't even own tools except the OEM BS set and freak out CONNECT BATTERIES UP BACKWARDS...slash me Pier] 6. I strive to constantly better my skill of control over my machine. I will learn its limits, and use my skill to become one with my machine so that we may keep each other alive. I am the master, it is the servant. Working together in harmony, we will become an invincible team. [Except when you grossly exceed the speed limit and ever so lightly kiss the tarmac] 7. I do not fear death. I will, however, do all possible to avoid death prematurely. Fear is the enemy, not death. Fear on the highway leads to death, therefore I will not let fear be my master. I will master it. [Conan the Bikebarian] 8. My machines will outlive me. Therefore, they are my legacy. I will care for them for future bikers to cherish as I have cherished them, whoever they may be. [Spare parts or scrap metal have a longer shelf life that human tissue] 9. I do not ride to gain attention, respect, or fear from those that do NOT ride, nor do I wish to intimidate or annoy them. For those that do not know me, all I wish from them is to ignore me. For those that desire to know me, I will share with them the truth of myself, so that they might understand me and not fear others like me. [Really? Share this "credo" with someone and you might get de-flowered on the spot] 10. I will never be the aggressor on the highway. However, should others mess with me, their aggression will be dealt with in as severe a manner as I can cast upon them. [Okay what does this mean.... 'Honk if you've never seen a weapon fired from a Harley?] 11. I will show respect to other bikers more experienced or knowledgeable than I am. I will learn from them all I can. [Now the truth is revealed.... a Geezer on Honda Rebel wrote this] 12. I will not show disrespect to other bikers less experienced or knowledgeable than I am. I will teach them what I can. [Provided they buy lunch?] 13. It will be my task to mentor new riders, that so desire, into the lifestyle of the biker, so that the breed shall continue. I shall instruct them, as I have been instructed by those before me. I shall preserve and honor traditions of bikers before me, and I will pass them on unaltered. [I smell MSF and AMA all over this.... at first I thought the Boy Scouts wrote it] 14. I will not judge other bikers on their choice of machine, their appearance, or their profession. I will judge them only on their conduct as bikers. I am proud of my accomplishments as a biker, though I will not flaunt them to others. If they ask, I will share them. [What accomplishment? Piloting a motorized 2 wheeler? If you want accomplishment learn piano...Jeeez this is fucking sickening] 15. I will stand ready to help any other biker that truly needs my help. I will never ask another biker to do for me what I can do for myself. [Hey Moe...] 16. I am not a part-time biker. I am a biker when, and where ever I go. I am proud to be a biker, and I hide my chosen lifestyle from no one. [Tell me that in the middle of February during a raging blizzard or when you need some one with a pick up truck to carry your sorry butt and your broken 'Iron Stallion' back to civilization becuase you don't do routine maintainence] 17. I ride because I love freedom, independence, and the movement of the ground beneath me. But most of all, I ride to better understand myself, my machine, the lands in which I ride, and to seek out and know other bikers like myself. [Insert Indian drum beat with Japanese bamboo flute and Djrididou here.... end with loud percussive bass drum and a loud HOORAH from 100 marines.... fade to telephoto shot of bike riding into a big red ball Sun on a straight Western highway.... with sweet light reflections off a frame reference of receding telephone wires... insert HD V twin sound slowly diminishing in as the distance from bike to mike increases...] Never mettle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 19:34:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92NYsSi019754; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:34:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92NYrsQ019742; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:34:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <14a.151c31bc.2accdc99@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:34:49 EDT Subject: Re: County Differences To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/2/2002 2:02:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > >Did you do anything about it or did you accept it? > > > we called the Lt at the Reston station and complained. He > said "he would look into it". That's the last we ever heard of it. > As a kid in a small town I and a bunch of friends followed a damn stupid cop (in a car). Damn stupid because when he realized we were following him he stopped and fiddled around for a while proving he was not speeding, running stop signs etc. on the way to some official business. Anyhow the 4 of us wrote down all the stupid shit he had done signed the paper and turned it in at the police station. The next day there was our cop, on the corner by our school waving our paper at us as we rode by. I would like to think reporting asshole cops would do some good, but that has not been my experience. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 21:46:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g931kOSi020468; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:46:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g931kMog020452; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:46:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D9BA177.D47600CE@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:46:31 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club - U.S.A. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Natives? References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021001230904.009fdac0@mail.9netave.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20021002110925.009e9030@mail.9netave.com> <0210021130431D.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out001.verizon.net from [141.157.125.198] at Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:46:14 -0500 Does anyone actually live within the city limits? The Suzuki Owners Club - U.S.A. is looking for a District Coordinator for D.C.. Anyone interested? Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 21:58:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g931wHSi020581; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:58:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g931wHZG020573; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:58:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D9BA440.81B3224B@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:58:24 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club - U.S.A. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: From CNN: Unhappy with that speeding ticket? E-mail it to the judge. References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ED364@SERVER1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out002.verizon.net from [141.157.125.198] at Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:58:06 -0500 Rich Hall wrote: > http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/10/02/email.court/index.html > > Lady Justice goes digital Damn, if only we could replace Congress with a secure server. LOL Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 23:06:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9336WSi020937; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:06:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9336Vdi020920; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:06:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: How 'bout a little FS SPAM? Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:10:06 -0400 Message-ID: <006201c26a8a$605a7fd0$1b06030a@5Q39911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D9BA440.81B3224B@verizon.net> Importance: Normal Posting for my cousin. For Sale: 1999 Yamaha R1 Red/White 8k Miles Adult Owned Garaged Maintained by a top mechanic Muzzy Header, BMC Filter Frame Sliders Stainless Steel Braided Lines Tires with less than 500 miles on them (Dunlop 207 GP) Extreme Graphics FSMD Undertail Synthetic Oil changed every 1K 520 Chain/Sprocket conversion kit Second Look seat covers $8500 Photo: http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/r1/99r1.jpg I ride with him all the time. The bike is an awesome runner, never abused. If interested, contact me and I'll put you in touch as he is "email challenged" :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 06:28:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93AStSi023341; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 06:28:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93ASsNN023330; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 06:28:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: County Differences Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 06:28:39 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <14a.151c31bc.2accdc99@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <14a.151c31bc.2accdc99@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02100306283902.04062@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 02 October 2002 19:34, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/2/2002 2:02:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > > >Did you do anything about it or did you accept it? > > > > we called the Lt at the Reston station and complained. He > > said "he would look into it". That's the last we ever heard of it. > > As a kid in a small town I and a bunch of friends followed a damn stupid > cop (in a car). Damn stupid because when he realized we were following him > he stopped and fiddled around for a while proving he was not speeding, > running stop signs etc. on the way to some official business. Anyhow the 4 > of us wrote down all the stupid shit he had done signed the paper and > turned it in at the police station. > The next day there was our cop, on the corner by our school waving our > paper at us as we rode by. > I would like to think reporting asshole cops would do some good, but that > has not been my experience. > While on my way home from a D&D event, I stopped behind a Stafford County cop at the courthouse light. When the light changed, he pulled forward and then made a left into the courthouse parking lot (this was before the new building). I pulled in behind him, using my turn signal first of course which he didn't do. I hopped out of the car and basically let him know that as a police officer he should be setting an example and using his turn signal before turning. He stood there looking at me with a slight grin. When I got home I realized he had probably read my button that I wear when I was running games: "Hi, I'll be your asshole for the evening." > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 07:31:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93BVYSi023655; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:31:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93BVXJR023642; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:31:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 06:31:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: County Differences In-Reply-To: <02100306283902.04062@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Carl the Sadistic GM wrote: > When I got home I realized he had probably read my button that I wear > when I was running games: > > "Hi, I'll be your asshole for the evening." It's a good thing you took off your elf ears and left the warhammer in the trunk, or he'd probably have figured you were high on something and thrown you in the slammer to sober up. I've harassed a few police in my younger, crazier days. I was probably just asking for trouble. I mean, really, your average overworked cop isn't going to take kindly to some punk-ass kid giving him a hard time because he was driving 10 over the limit. Though, honestly, that's the one thing that really irks me about police sometimes -- zipping along at 30 over the limit, without a care in the world, just because they can. Well, that and giving me chickenshit tickets for idiotic things (headphones, unmounted front license plate, that sort of thing). But, to be fair, the tickets really are entirely my fault. Fish. they still bug me though From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 08:25:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93CPvSi023912; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:25:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93CPu09023905; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:25:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 3 Oct 2002 12:25:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20021003122554.19907.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: County Differences X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Fish complained >Though, honestly, that's the one thing that really irks me about police >sometimes -- zipping along at 30 over the limit, without a care in the >world, just because they can. [Dave] That's unique to PG county, most of the other jurisdictions around here don't do that. ? - What's a PG county cop on the Beltway called ? Ans: Blocker :-) Seriously, these are the fastest jurisdiction around - albeit, some of the poorest trained at high performance driving, in my observations. Well, that and giving me chickenshit tickets >for idiotic things (headphones, unmounted front license plate, that sort >of thing). [Dave] Let's face it, they're role in the biosphere is that because they aren't good at computer system maintenance, relegating them to substantially less income. Hey - it's a dirty job being a hypocrite, but someone has to do it, right ? Most traffic cops are there for a reason, and the ones who are good police, actually concern themselves with solving genuine criminal offenses, not the BS you're talking about. But, to be fair, the tickets really are entirely my fault. >Fish. >they still bug me though [Dave] Don't give them a reason to NOTICE your vehicle. keep it clean, in working order, all the equipment in place etc... At least make sure that they notice other vehicles 1st. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 08:43:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93ChlSi024024; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:43:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93ChXVX024005; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:43:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: County Differences Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:33:16 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02100308331607.04062@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 03 October 2002 07:31, Fish Flowers wrote: > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Carl the Sadistic GM wrote: > > When I got home I realized he had probably read my button that I wear > > when I was running games: > > > > "Hi, I'll be your asshole for the evening." > > It's a good thing you took off your elf ears and left the warhammer in the > trunk, or he'd probably have figured you were high on something and thrown > you in the slammer to sober up. > Nah, I was the DM and dressed relatively normal :-) Mostly I had my cloak and a shitload of books/dice. Back when I was running a game in the Rec Center at Belvoir, I'd load up my bike with a large pink suitcase, a small brown suitcase, and my game board which was bungied to the side of the bike and held up by the passenger peg. I only drove the CB360T a few miles from inadequate housing to the rec center. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 10:33:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93EX3Si024741; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:33:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93EWuYc024723; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:32:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006101c26ad2$60bef940$2f7e5c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Random shootings in progress -- Mont'y Cty Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:45:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 10:15a: On Ch4 -- Five people dead in random shootings in Monty Cty in last 15 hours. Main thorofares, a white Isuzu box truck has been linked. Schools, etc. are taking precautions. Hazards from Hell. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 11:11:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93FBbSi025052; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:11:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93FBbm4025048; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:11:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Mobacc (now @ATT)'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Random shootings in progress -- Mont'y Cty Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:11:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain That's crazy two of the shootings are near cycles usa. -----Original Message----- From: Mobacc (now @ATT) [mailto:mobacc@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:45 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Random shootings in progress -- Mont'y Cty 10:15a: On Ch4 -- Five people dead in random shootings in Monty Cty in last 15 hours. Main thorofares, a white Isuzu box truck has been linked. Schools, etc. are taking precautions. Hazards from Hell. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 11:14:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93FEWSi025103; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:14:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93FEWWI025096; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:14:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Random shootings in progress -- Mont'y Cty Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:14:22 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <02cd01c26aef$90d79250$b09ff243@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Pumping gas and sitting on a bench are now dangerous... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37433-2002Oct3.html > -----Original Message----- > From: Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [mailto:Silvera@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:11 AM > To: 'Mobacc (now @ATT)'; DC-Cycles > Subject: RE: Random shootings in progress -- Mont'y Cty > > > That's crazy two of the shootings are near cycles usa. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mobacc (now @ATT) [mailto:mobacc@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:45 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Random shootings in progress -- Mont'y Cty > > 10:15a: On Ch4 -- Five people dead in random shootings in > Monty Cty in last > 15 hours. Main thorofares, a white Isuzu box truck has been linked. > Schools, etc. are taking precautions. > > Hazards from Hell. > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 11:37:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93FbGSi025266; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:37:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93FbBX5025247; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:37:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021003153704.92092.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:37:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Cops of FFX Co Pkwy To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FYI - I passed 13 cops this morning (10:00 am or so) on the Fairfax County Parkway between Kingstowne & 66. Had everyone from schoolgirls to dump trucks pulled over. MC police, expeditions, unmarked cars - they had the full force out there. I did *not* see the white dually they'be been using as an unmarked car, but who knows. I guess they're cracking down again... Todd - You out there as well? Brian Ray '80 KZ 440 LTD __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 12:02:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93G2ASi025437; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:02:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93G2AdO025433; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:02:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If there was any doubt. Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:07:06 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8DEE4C18B7FDB04D9D09458266EA1B6B09DA12@www.email.gmabrands.com> In-Reply-To: <8DEE4C18B7FDB04D9D09458266EA1B6B09DA12@www.email.gmabrands.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g93G28Si025416 I hear riding between the lanes won't trigger the sensor.. presumably there would be no traffic if you're speeding through an intersection anyway... but shoot.. if your'e speeding on a bike through an interesection, you should be pretty much happy you got a ticket instead of getting cremed. I'll toss this topic into the case closed files (as far as I'm concerned).. be safer, avoid tickets, slow down for interesections. If someone is in a photograph with you, fight it in court saying they passed you... this isn't really one of those things you want to get away with.. we really don't want to speed through intersections. Actually we want to look out for the people who do, not collide with them. On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:40:54 -0400 , "Scott, Wellesley E." wrote: >I agree that we should watch our speed and slow down, but the question >becomes whether the road magnetic sensors will be able to properly track the >speed and distance of motorcycles. Also what would happen if a group were >riding through the city in a staggered formation? Would the cameras snap >the correct individual??? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Motor PsychoL Danny [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 7:21 AM >To: mjordan812@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: If there was any doubt. > > >except they dont' use radar, they use speed distance calculations from >road magnetic sensors. Slow down for all interesections anyway. > >On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:40:23 -0700, " Michael Jordan" > wrote: > >>>Mayor says cameras will make city money >> >>That's why God gave us radar detectors... >> >>Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 12:03:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93G3jSi025491; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:03:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93G3ihr025483; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:03:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:03:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Cops of FFX Co Pkwy From: Stephen Miller To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021003153704.92092.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I saw 3 between Rolling Road and Kingstowne on Tuesday night. If I'd been riding my bike, I'd have been nabbed for sure. - Steve (2002 SV650 Black) on 10/3/02 11:37 AM, Brian Ray at bdaleray@XXXXXX wrote: > FYI - > > I passed 13 cops this morning (10:00 am or so) on the > Fairfax County Parkway between Kingstowne & 66. Had > everyone from schoolgirls to dump trucks pulled over. > MC police, expeditions, unmarked cars - they had the > full force out there. I did *not* see the white > dually they'be been using as an unmarked car, but who > knows. > > I guess they're cracking down again... > > Todd - You out there as well? > > Brian Ray > '80 KZ 440 LTD > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 12:30:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93GUuSi025694; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:30:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93GUs8B025674; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:30:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If there was any doubt. - OT government more ranting and venting Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:35:55 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20021002130547.4380.qmail@server445.gisol.com> In-Reply-To: <20021002130547.4380.qmail@server445.gisol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g93GUrSi025662 re dc govt and voting bums out of office I would like to convince you all that I should be supreme king and ruler.. this whole voting thing is crap! motorcyclists would have the right of way at any speed... the left lane would have a minumum speed, and be for passing only, emergency vehicles and motorcycles. The right lane would have a 10 mph slower speed maximum to aid in vehicles merging. Motorcycles would be legally allowed to highway speed and filter to the light and other congestion, Death penalty for anyone who murders. Death penalty for sex offenders (hey i'm not being mean, i'm letting God be your judge. Meet him mother fuggr!) Death penalty for anyone who robs. Lose a finger (or few) for any thefts and people have the right to discriminate againts people with less than 10 fingers. Heh heh. Firing and Public beating of prosecutors who prosecute innocent men. (thou shall not bear false witness includes wrongly acusing someone when you're not certain, if your'e going to prosecute someone, be right about it.. that's one more checks and balance for innocent men to enjoy freedom) Reinstillation of the 100 men go free rather than one innocent man be convicted doctrine of law. If you can prove in court someone told a lie , , you get the right to beat on them. Like your mechanic says he's working on your car right now, and you have it on tape, and you go to court and prove he never touched your car and lied, you get to wack him a few good times. Or your soon to be ex girlfriend says she's over debbies house, but you happen to be over debbies house already out of conicidence and you know she's seeing someone else lol you know.. the little antisocial lies that complicate life. ok a little more seriously and waht spawned this rant, voting sucks... the ignorant masses go and vote without knowing what they're voting for. Even if the voters were infrormed, the electoral collage makes ones presidential vote pretty much worthless. Voting is like eating cafeteria food.. you think you're getting choices, but your'e still eating cafeteria food. Who was it, voltaire who said "if voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." ? Maybe there should be some qualifications test or landowners only voting critera.. And thus the reason I don't plan to have kids, the world isnt' up to my standards as a suitable environment. And that's my venting for today! P.S. I don't know anyone named debbie. Despite over 2 centuries of government, the US still has a lot of fugged up problems. I still can't thnk of a better country though. Can you? that's both a good and bad thing. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 12:33:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93GXOSi025730; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:33:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93GXOS9025722; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:33:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC native here too. Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:38:25 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200210021230.IAA19406@boo-mda02.boo.net> <20021002163745.60437.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021002163745.60437.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g93GXMSi025710 I was born in PG hospital, went to PG county schools (and thus my lack of education) grew up in landover, live in cheverly now. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 12:36:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93Ga0Si025805; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:36:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93GZxRw025795; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:35:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more ebay crack smoking Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:41:00 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g93GZwSi025778 ROTFL... "sure i'll teach you to ride on my goldwing, come on it'll be fun, I was looking to buy some new real estate anyway" On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:59:25 -0400 (EDT), dan wrote: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1865283241 > >90K... and appraised for $125k. Time for an insurance job. > >Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 12:37:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93GbiSi025863; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:37:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93GbhKe025847; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:37:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: How 'bout a little FS SPAM? Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:42:45 -0400 Message-ID: <9qsopuol001ae61kdcofhfe00qh41f4fhk@4ax.com> References: <3D9BA440.81B3224B@verizon.net> <006201c26a8a$605a7fd0$1b06030a@5Q39911> In-Reply-To: <006201c26a8a$605a7fd0$1b06030a@5Q39911> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g93GbgSi025835 Adult owned.. cool.. there are so many underage R1 owners selling their bikes flooding the market.. wait is that 18 adult or 21 adult? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 12:41:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93GfHSi025930; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:41:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93GfGcU025924; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:41:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Cc: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: Random shootings in progress -- Mont'y Cty Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:46:14 -0400 Message-ID: References: <02cd01c26aef$90d79250$b09ff243@jmcgonigle> In-Reply-To: <02cd01c26aef$90d79250$b09ff243@jmcgonigle> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g93GfFSi025907 Dag.. makes me want to carry so I can pump that shooter full of his own medicine. i'll go to cycles usa anyway.. maybe i'll get to see the guy and run his ass over a few times. As if I didn't think the world was fugged up enough already, this loser has to come along. Hopefully a good cop will get to 12 guage that loser. On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:14:22 -0400, "Jim McGonigle" wrote: > >Pumping gas and sitting on a bench are now dangerous... > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37433-2002Oct3.html > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [mailto:Silvera@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:11 AM >> To: 'Mobacc (now @ATT)'; DC-Cycles >> Subject: RE: Random shootings in progress -- Mont'y Cty >> >> >> That's crazy two of the shootings are near cycles usa. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mobacc (now @ATT) [mailto:mobacc@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:45 AM >> To: DC-Cycles >> Subject: Random shootings in progress -- Mont'y Cty >> >> 10:15a: On Ch4 -- Five people dead in random shootings in >> Monty Cty in last >> 15 hours. Main thorofares, a white Isuzu box truck has been linked. >> Schools, etc. are taking precautions. >> >> Hazards from Hell. >> >> Bill S. / DC >> '99 VN750 >> Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 12:46:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93Gk4Si025983; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:46:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93Gk4XJ025974; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:46:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-ID: <018601c26afc$1bdac460$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Motor PsychoL Danny" , "'DCCycles'" References: <3D9BA440.81B3224B@verizon.net> <006201c26a8a$605a7fd0$1b06030a@5Q39911> <9qsopuol001ae61kdcofhfe00qh41f4fhk@4ax.com> Subject: Re: How 'bout a little FS SPAM? Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:44:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 How about 46 Adult! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Motor PsychoL Danny" To: "'DCCycles'" Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: Re: How 'bout a little FS SPAM? > Adult owned.. cool.. there are so many underage R1 owners selling > their bikes flooding the market.. wait is that 18 adult or 21 adult? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 12:52:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93GqYSi026065; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:52:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93GqYf9026057; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:52:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:57:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: <3D9A2CD9.74821884@comcast.net> <20021001161642.Y69486-100000@magoo.noid.org> In-Reply-To: <20021001161642.Y69486-100000@magoo.noid.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g93GqXSi026042 I would love it if the manufacter would make large, flush turn signals IN the undertail, as flush as they do the brake lights.. about this be seen in the dark, from a safety stand point, one shoudl always ride as if they are invisible and make the effort to keep them in safe positioning from everything out there on the road. Being seen helps.. but one shoudl be riding alert to everything around you in all directions anyway. Sometimes I feel like I could ride better if I wasn't equipped with lights.. I could just zip through traffic and they wouldn't get in my way (unpredicitibly or purposefully). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 12:59:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93GxxSi026142; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:59:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93GxwMn026135; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:59:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021003165951.52819.qmail@web40205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:59:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Kryponite U-Lock help To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ack!!! I lost my keys this morning, and I can't find the spare anywhere. Would a locksmith be able to help me get the lock off my bike? Any local suggestions (it's located on the line btwn Fairfax City and Annandale). Any other suggestions or help? (my wife laughed at the metal dector I rented to try to find the keys, and failed; so something friendlier would be better). Thanks, Louis __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 13:05:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93H54Si026225; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:05:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93H53rJ026220; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:05:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: oh yea more off topic rants - skip this Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:10:05 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g93H52Si026203 oh i'd legalize marijuna in my perfect world... beligerent drunks suck. cigarettes suck. If you're going to legalize a drug, legalize one that makes people happy. and never having smoked (or used) marijuna i'm perfectly qualified to say it's better! LOL Also tax deductions for people who medically make themselves infertile. Hmm in my world if prisons were needed, they'd be financially self sufficient. An inmate could reduce their sentence by also opting to have surgery to become infertile. Drug addicts would get money instead of a tax break to be infertile.. and impoverished persons too. cheaper to give someone $500 now, than it is to pay for unwanted kids in the world. And it's elective. You don't have to do it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 13:07:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93H7vSi026275; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:07:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93H7vCY026266; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:07:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D9C791B.655E63AA@tasam.com> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:06:35 -0400 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Kryponite U-Lock help References: <20021003165951.52819.qmail@web40205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if this is the type that you "Can't cut with bolt cutters", use a hacksaw. "Snap-On" hacksaw blades are REALLY good; well worth the extra you pay for them, IMO. Other more risky mothods: use a can of freon and freeze the lock, then smash it with a hammer, all the while ignoring the angry stares of those Greenpeace guys use an air chisel. I'll forward this to my locksmith friend and see what he says.... "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > Ack!!! I lost my keys this morning, and I can't find the spare anywhere. > Would a locksmith be able to help me get the lock off my bike? Any local > suggestions (it's located on the line btwn Fairfax City and Annandale). Any > other suggestions or help? (my wife laughed at the metal dector I rented to > try to find the keys, and failed; so something friendlier would be better). > > Thanks, > > Louis > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 13:13:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93HD9Si026364; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:13:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93HD9vf026358; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:13:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021003171307.96505.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:13:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: oh yea more off topic rants - skip this To: Motor PsychoL Danny , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Makes some sense. Do you know how many people are in jail for something that grows from the ground? No one said weed is good for you, but is it worse than alcohol and cigarettes. Before we pay people to tie their tubes, how about making birth control free and easy for all. No, wait, the Bush administration can't even get behind that for 3rd world contries, because the bible belt zealots would get after him...... this is so off topic i agree --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > oh i'd legalize marijuna in my perfect world... > beligerent drunks > suck. cigarettes suck. If you're going to legalize > a drug, legalize > one that makes people happy. > > and never having smoked (or used) marijuna i'm > perfectly qualified to > say it's better! LOL > > Also tax deductions for people who medically make > themselves > infertile. Hmm in my world if prisons were needed, > they'd be > financially self sufficient. An inmate could reduce > their sentence by > also opting to have surgery to become infertile. > Drug addicts would > get money instead of a tax break to be infertile.. > and impoverished > persons too. > > cheaper to give someone $500 now, than it is to pay > for unwanted kids > in the world. And it's elective. You don't have to > do it. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 13:13:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93HDjSi026400; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:13:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93HDjWf026395; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:13:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:13:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200210031313.AA3944611890@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cops of FFX Co Pkwy X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Brian Ray >I passed 13 cops this morning (10:00 am or so) on the >Fairfax County Parkway between Kingstowne & 66. Had >everyone from schoolgirls to dump trucks pulled over. Look for Tougher Enforcement on Fairfax County, Franconia/Springfield Parkways Thursday, October 3, 2002; Page VA13 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/traffic/drgridlock/fairfax/A32330-2002Oct2.html Dear Dr. Gridlock: As commander of the Fairfax County Police Traffic Division, I make it a point to review Dr. Gridlock often. I find it a useful means to learn about new problem spots, how our traffic officers are perceived in the field and generally how the motoring public weighs in on the variety of transportation issues you raise. I want to alert your readers who use the Fairfax County Parkway, and its connection, the Franconia/Springfield Parkway, of a major enforcement and public awareness campaign that we will undertake beginning Oct. 1. Since the parkway opened in 1987, 25 people have lost their lives in traffic accidents. In the previous 2 1/2 years, there have been over 2,700 crashes along this highway. This includes nearly 1,000 crashes resulting in injuries. The parkway is unique in that it is a four-lane, divided highway. However, it has a mix of crossings that range from signalized intersections to at-grade crossings along its nearly 35-mile route through Fairfax County. It has become somewhat of an "outer beltway" for motorists traveling north and south through the county and handles approximately 50,000 vehicles each day. Every day, the Fairfax County Police Department receives complaints of speeding and unsafe and aggressive driving along the parkway. For the last couple months, the traffic division has been quietly collecting speed surveys, seat belt usage surveys and analyzing crash data along the parkway. We know what the problems are and where they are occurring. I can tell you that speeding, aggressive driving and driver inattention are the top three. Starting this week, officers will be employing a variety of traditional and nontraditional enforcement and public awareness methods to combat this issue. Our goal is to modify driver behavior and expectations. I mention expectations because a recent survey indicated that nearly 70 percent of the drivers felt there was only a slim risk of being ticketed for driver misbehavior along the parkway. Officers from the traffic division and several district stations will be deployed along the entire parkway, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. They will employ motorcycles, marked and unmarked vehicles and a variety of nontraditional platforms on which speed enforcement will be accomplished. In addition, electronic sign boards with safety-related messages and radar trailers that allow drivers to check their speed will be deployed. But drivers may also find an officer right down the road from that radar trailer checking their speed if they fail to check their own! Again, our goal is to reduce these crashes, modify driver behavior and expectations, and, ultimately, to save lives. Capt. J. F. Bowman Commander, Traffic Division Fairfax County Police From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 13:13:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93HDlSi026439; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:13:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93HDlBA026435; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:13:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Skip Smith Cc: "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Kryponite U-Lock help Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:18:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20021003165951.52819.qmail@web40205.mail.yahoo.com> <3D9C791B.655E63AA@tasam.com> In-Reply-To: <3D9C791B.655E63AA@tasam.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g93HDkSi026412 Go to an old fashioned hardware store, tell the guys what you're trying to do, and get a metal cutting disk for a circular saw. Probably eat through that lock like butter. On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:06:35 -0400, Skip Smith wrote: >if this is the type that you "Can't cut with bolt cutters", use a >hacksaw. "Snap-On" hacksaw blades are REALLY good; well worth the extra >you pay for them, IMO. > >Other more risky mothods: > >use a can of freon and freeze the lock, then smash it with a hammer, all >the while ignoring the angry stares of those Greenpeace guys > >use an air chisel. > > >I'll forward this to my locksmith friend and see what he says.... > >"Louis F. Caplan" wrote: >> >> Ack!!! I lost my keys this morning, and I can't find the spare anywhere. >> Would a locksmith be able to help me get the lock off my bike? Any local >> suggestions (it's located on the line btwn Fairfax City and Annandale). Any >> other suggestions or help? (my wife laughed at the metal dector I rented to >> try to find the keys, and failed; so something friendlier would be better). >> >> Thanks, >> >> Louis >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! >> http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 13:15:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93HFQSi026485; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:15:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93HFQA1026479; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:15:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00cb01c26b00$0f6f0020$e26ef7a5@de3bw> Reply-To: "cplvfr" From: "cplvfr" To: References: Subject: Re: Cops of FFX Co Pkwy Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:12:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 On the news a few nights ago they had a story on it. They're cracking down on speeding on the Pkwy specifically. Beware of the Camaros. I saw two, maroon and silver '02 models with the 16" chromed aluminum wheels, blue lights in the windows, the cops were not dressed in a standard uniform. On the news they showed a Camaro with the standard police paint job. Additionally I saw a maroon newer version Econoline-type van. There were also three bike cops in various places and a marked cruiser doing radar from the top of the Rt 636 entrance ramp to the Pkwy going East. He was aiming far down the road, so if you're aware of this tactic and can spot the cop immediately after coming under bridges you'll be fine. Travis '01 SV650S '95 RC36 '91 GS500E '85 VF500F http://www.angelfire.com/extreme3/svbadguy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 13:18:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93HI0Si026537; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:18:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93HHxQF026530; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:17:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dcsportbikeriders@XXXXXX, roadrunnaz@XXXXXX Subject: random shooting Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:23:01 -0400 Message-ID: <27vopukeis56o81mg6q7cgm93ta30p77qi@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g93HHwSi026513 there is a press conference going on right now From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 13:32:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93HWTSi026782; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:32:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93HWTQd026775; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:32:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009001c26b02$c800d6c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC Cycles" References: <200210031313.AA3944611890@mail.toward.com> Subject: Re: Cops of FFX Co Pkwy Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:31:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > > Look for Tougher Enforcement on Fairfax County, Franconia/Springfield Parkways > > As commander of the Fairfax County Police Traffic Division, ... > I want to alert your readers who use the Fairfax County Parkway,... > > Since the parkway opened in 1987, 25 people have lost their lives in traffic accidents. In the previous 2 1/2 years, there have been over 2,700 crashes along this highway. This includes nearly 1,000 crashes resulting in injuries. > > The parkway is unique in that it is a four-lane, divided highway. However, it has a mix of crossings that range from signalized intersections to at-grade crossings .... > > Every day, the Fairfax County Police Department receives complaints of speeding and unsafe and aggressive driving along the parkway. .. > > We know what the problems are and where they are occurring. I can tell you that speeding, aggressive driving and driver inattention are the top three. > Yes, but.... Fairfax County needs to look in the mirror and ponder that it's the NIMBYs, er, concerned citizens, and VDOT that are to blame for the alleged problems on the Parkway, see the "unique" and "outer beltway" comments above. These problems areas are due in large part to the compromised design of the meandering Parkway itself. Case in point, the tight, poor visibility S curve with traffic lights and short sight lines southbound just before 66. The Parkway was a huge missed opportunity and the compromises have limited its utility. NIMBYs raised such a fuss that the highway was downgraded from a fully grade-separated freeway capable of supporting higher speeds and higher traffic volumes to something that looks like a freeway, but really isn't due to steeper grades, tighter curvature, limited sight lines and cross traffic at grade. People still drive like it's an genuine freeway though, hence the problems. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 15:50:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93Jo8Si027875; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:50:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93Jo58r027860; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:50:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021003194958.54942.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:49:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Cops of FFX Co Pkwy To: Paul Wilson , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <009001c26b02$c800d6c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Yes, but.... Fairfax County needs to look in the > mirror and ponder that it's > the NIMBYs, er, concerned citizens, and VDOT that > are to blame for the Do you think that is unique to Virginia? Do you know why the Springfield mixing bowl is such a mess? Because the NIMBY's of DC waited until I-395 was halfway through the city before realizing it was a highway. Then they fussed and had it shut down. Now we have hundreds of thousands of drivers taking an exit instead of continuing straight through as intended. And if you consider the curve at Fairlakes Parkway a tight curve, you need to get and ride more. :^) Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 16:25:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93KPrSi028227; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:25:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93KPqsa028219; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:25:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01d601c26b1a$fd6e9640$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20021003194958.54942.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Cops of FFX Co Pkwy Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:24:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Withrow" > > Do you think that is unique to Virginia? Do you know > why the Springfield mixing bowl is such a mess? > Because the NIMBY's of DC waited until I-395 was > halfway through the city before realizing it was a > highway. Then they fussed and had it shut down. Now we > have hundreds of thousands of drivers taking an exit > instead of continuing straight through as intended. > > And if you consider the curve at Fairlakes Parkway a > tight curve, you need to get and ride more. :^) > > Todd W. It's not tight to me. It is tight for a latte-sipping SUV drivers going 60 mph who don't realize there's a red light until it's staring them square in the face, thereby inflicting potential Ford Explorer enema to unsuspecting drivers in their path. As for 395, highways should go around, not through, cities. A big swath of Capitol Hill and NE would have been demolished if the "plan" had gone through unhindered and most of DC would look like SW: sterile urban renewal blocks of offices and slab apartment buildings plunked down in a street grid cut to ribbons by highways. Instead we got Metro and got to keep our historic neighborhoods intact. Pretty good trade if you ask me. Other elements of the plan: the Three Sisters Bridge extension of the Spout Run Pkwy with a freeway carving up Glover Park, then east to link up with 395. The 11th St. Fwy through the heart of Lincoln Park. Truly horrifying. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 16:56:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93KuESi028578; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:56:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93KuBSo028559; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:56:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021003205608.28796.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:56:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Lamond Subject: My adventure in Germany (NSVC & long) To: dccyles , sv650 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So, my company sent me on a last minute trip to Germany for a meeting on Friday and wasn't able to get me a flight back until Tuesday. 3 whole days to stay in Germany on company expense (well hotel and meals covered, nothing else). So of course I did what any good motorcyclist would do and rented a motorcycle and did some touring. I was staying in Frankfurt and rented a bike from a Honda dealer called Allround Vermietung. I had several choices in bikes to choose from: fast and expensive Honda Blackbird XX, an autobahn crunching tourer Pan European (ST1100), A Honda 900 Hornet, and a small nimble 650 twin fully faired touring Honda Deauville. The Blackbird was tempting but would blow my budget and I almost rented the 900 Hornet, but the cold weather and lack of luggage made it really impractical. Practicality and cost won out and I went with the Honda Deauville. Saturday I picked up the bike and took a short trip to Hiedelburg. Well it should have been a short trip but I kept getting lost trying to find the backroad I picked out to get there. I eventually made it, and drove through some nice towns on the way. The Deauville proved itself very nimble on the narrow twisty streets that are in many German towns. On the way back to Frankfurt I took the Autobahn. The Deauville is not the most powerful bike, but it did make it to an indicated 170kmh (~ 105mph). While the bike great in town and would later prove itself well on twisty back roads, it was not the best thing for the Autobhan. Sunday the real adventure began. I check out of my hotel, left most of my luggage in a co-workers room and packed the bike with enough clothes and stuff for an overnight trip. My goal for the day was to follow the Rhine river to Koblenz and then stop for the night. If you have never seen it, the Rhine valley is gorgeous, and there are stretches where another castle appears around every turn. There are also some great motorcycle roads off into the mountains. I ended up taking two side trips to explore roads that were well frequented by motorcyclist. The Germans were even thoughtful enough to put signs on the roads warning other drivers to expect motorcyclists. The Deauville was surprisingly good on twisty roads. In fact I was able to keep up with a person on a CBR600 who passed me. He and I left 3 of his friends on other sportbikes well behind. If he had been a really good rider I wouldn't have been able to keep up, but hanging with him on an underpowered tourer felt good. At the end of the day I found a hotel in downtown Koblenz and started planning the next leg of my journey. Since I needed to return the bike the next day, I had to be back in Frankfurt by 6:30pm at the latest. However, I didn't want to just go back the way I came. I decided to follow the Mosel river which branches off from the Rhine at Koblenz to Zell, and then make my way back to the Rhine but on the opposite side that I was on on Sunday. Monday came and the morning was cold and foggy. That didn't deter me from my plans and I headed out of Koblenz to follow the Mosel. Like the Rhine, the Mosel is home to beautiful towns and castles. With the castle in Cochem described as one of the most beautiful and photographed castles in Germany. I didn't take any side trips on Monday due to time constraints, but the leg from Zell to Bacarach on the Rhine river had some nice long twisty sections. I was able to ride along the Rhine for a little bit, but it soon became time for me to get back to Frankfurt and return the bike. Back on the autobahn and then a short journey through the outskirts of Frankfurt had me back at the dealer. All told, I put 903Km on the bike over the three days (~ 600 miles). My adventure over, I took a taxi back to my hotel in Frankfurt, picked up my luggage from my coworker, and got ready for the early morning flight back to DC the next morning. Riding through Germany was one of the most fun things I've done in awhile, and I am certainly grateful that a last minute meeting and a lack of available flights back to DC gave me the chance to play. Keith SV650 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 17:34:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93LYBSi028930; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:34:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93LYBKs028925; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:34:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 17:33:56 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Financing??? Message-ID: <4A9FDCA8.6EF74D72.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit go to you bank. those promotions might be deceiving. 0 to 2.9% for one year and the following year at 20%. read the fine print. i would just hit your bank and fiance it through them. Or better yet save up and buy it in cash. -Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 18:35:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93MZLSi029548; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:35:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93MZKbN029538; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:35:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [209.70.39.112] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC native here too. Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:34:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2002 22:34:13.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[000E6940:01C26B2D] I also went to PG county public schools, from 1st through 12th grade. I did OK. Of course, I don't usually look to blame the system - I take responsibility for myself. Perry >From: Motor PsychoL Danny >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: DC native here too. >Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:38:25 -0400 > >I was born in PG hospital, went to PG county schools (and thus my lack >of education) grew up in landover, live in cheverly now. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 19:13:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93NDmSi030215; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:13:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93NDmBK030207; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:13:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <176.fb91f6b.2ace2926@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:13:42 EDT Subject: Re: Kryponite U-Lock help To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/3/2002 1:14:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > and get a metal cutting disk for a circular saw. > Probably eat through that lock like butter. Or for a drill motor. Then get and carry a spare key _everywhere!_ John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 19:26:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93NQYSi030323; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:26:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g93NQYSv030318; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:26:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <173.fc14908.2ace2c26@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:26:30 EDT Subject: Re: If there was any doubt. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/3/2002 12:02:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > If someone is in a photograph with you, fight it in court saying they > passed you... My understanding is that _two_ photographs are taken and that the difference between your positions is how your speed is calculated. _If_ that is the case it will not matter how many other vehicles are in the photo with you. If. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 21:39:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g941dXSi031076; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:39:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g941dWRZ031065; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:39:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 21:39:20 -0400 Subject: occasional mc towing wanted--$ To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi)B…anyone(s) interested in an occasional---maybe once a month---towing job? Previous person (who moved out of the area) charged between $25-40. Tows were inside the beltway, and usually inside DC. More often than not the bikes are brought to my place (in Mt. Pleasant, DC). The general idea is that when someone calls me needing a tow, I can give them your phone number and your acceptable calling hours. You and bike owner work out time/price, etc. That's it. If you might want to do this, or have questions, email or call. (202-234-9229) Thanks. --garcia )B“United We Stand---but not necessarily each other.” From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 22:08:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9428XSi031266; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:08:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9428VWt031253; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:08:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021004020824.25378.qmail@web40205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:08:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Found the spare... whew!! To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii After tearing the apartment apart, I found the spare key. Insert big "Whew!" here. (the original set is still lost, so might have to get the apartment rekeyed or something, plus my old college key chain is gone with it) I looked at the Kryptonite webpage, and saw I can register the key number on line. (which I immediately did). Next time (Gd forbid) I lose a key, I can call and they will send a replacement; of course that means a time delay in getting it. If any of you have kryptonite locks, I suggest you register your keys as well. Took less than one minute. http://www.kryptonite.com/ I'm debating whether I should order several copies of my current (one) key, or get a new Kryptonite Lock, as the keys now come with a light so I can see the lock in the dark (helpful since I leave before dawn, and on moonless morning, have sometimes had to use my fingers to insert the key properly) and get a few extra copies of those keys as well. I'll figure it out tomorrow, I'm still waiting for the stress levels to come down. One thing for sure though, a lot of folks here have shown me how easy it really is to get the lock off. May be a little time consuming, but frightenly easy. Maybe it's time to rethink my strategy. To all who sent suggestions, THANKS!! Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 23:12:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g943C1Si031559; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:12:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g943C0nA031549; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:12:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003901c26b53$c5a11100$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\)" , "'Mobacc \(now @ATT\)'" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Random shootings in progress -- Mont'y Cty Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:09:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Yes they were, and I was surrounded by Police and helicopters all day while putting motorcycles together. Last night I drove by the Shoppers about the same time as the shooting, very scary. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Mobacc (now @ATT)'" ; "DC-Cycles" Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:11 AM Subject: RE: Random shootings in progress -- Mont'y Cty > That's crazy two of the shootings are near cycles usa. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mobacc (now @ATT) [mailto:mobacc@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:45 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Random shootings in progress -- Mont'y Cty > > 10:15a: On Ch4 -- Five people dead in random shootings in Monty Cty in last > 15 hours. Main thorofares, a white Isuzu box truck has been linked. > Schools, etc. are taking precautions. > > Hazards from Hell. > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 3 23:16:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g943GuSi031608; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:16:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g943GuPL031602; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:16:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005701c26b54$798947a0$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "'DC-Cycles'" References: <02cd01c26aef$90d79250$b09ff243@jmcgonigle> Subject: Cycles USA Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:13:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Hello to all, another fun day at Cycles USA. If anyone from this group comes by the cycle shop, come say hi. I am the big guy in the back that puts the new bikes together, not the French guy lol. It would be nice to see who actually writes some of this stuff. Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 01:37:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g945bKSi032215; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 01:37:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g945bCGS032196; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 01:37:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021004053705.3976.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: NIMBY Highways - Was: Cops of FFX Co Pkwy To: Paul Wilson , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <01d601c26b1a$fd6e9640$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: >> As for 395, highways should go around, not through, > cities. Most big cities have highways going through them. Miami has I-95, Philly has I-95, Dallas has I-30, Chicago has I-90, Detroit has I-75, New Orleans has I-10, Denver has I-25, etc.,etc., Hell, even Honolulu has an interstate running through it. It does not connect to another state but they still have a few. I can't think of a major city that does NOT have a highway or three running through it. Want to know what all those cities I named have in common? They all have fewer traffic problems than the DC area. Oooh yeah, I am soooo glad we have a Metro to make up for it. > Pretty good trade if > you ask me. > NOT > Truly horrifying. > Having a commute that is less than an hour one way would be satisfying, not horrifying. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 06:11:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94ABASi001492; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 06:11:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94AB7Yg001472; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 06:11:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 05:11:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Oh, Bog. Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Not my morning. First I discover that my headlamp bolts have gone AWOL again, so the headlamp is just floppin' around, not doing a very good job of illuminating anything except my front tire. Now, my front tire is a pretty damn cute piece of modern craftsmanship, but, really, I think it's getting a bit narcissistic, so I'd like to be able to see other stuff. So, I get out some new bolts (and nuts and washers this time, instead of the cheap plastic doohickey inside the assembly) and fix that up. Then my engine starts ticking, or so it seems. About once a second, and only when the engine is warm. I'm not actually sure it's the engine. Could be anything. Any thoughts on what that is? Then I run out of water on the road. Thirsty Fishies. I think my Camelbak is leaking, so it's probably piddling water down my back. How irritating. THEN, I finally make it to work, engine off, ignition off, neutral, sidestand, lean... OOPS, sidestand not fully down. *crash* goes the bike, *thunk* goes the Fish onto his well-armored back. Oh boy. I'm just thankful I'd already snapped the end off of my clutch lever... Fish. still, clearly, very much the newbie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 06:14:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94AEnSi001530; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 06:14:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94AEnhf001515; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 06:14:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 05:14:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Found the spare... whew!! In-Reply-To: <20021004020824.25378.qmail@web40205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > After tearing the apartment apart, I found the spare key. Insert big > "Whew!" here. (the original set is still lost, so might have to get > the apartment rekeyed or something, plus my old college key chain is > gone with it) If you're thinking about getting your apartment rekeyed, then you should almost certainly get a new lock for the bike as well. After all, if they've got the keys already, a bike is a lot easier to walk away with than an entire apartment... Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 06:23:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94ANYSi001636; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 06:23:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94ANXrL001623; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 06:23:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 05:23:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Oh, and... Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just to add insult to injury to my morning, my helmet fell off a shelf in the garage. Argh! I must not have propped it securely enough. So now I'm gonna have to send it in at some point to get checked. The shipping bills in my immediate future are growing. I have Joe Rocket crap to send back, this HJC helmet (anyone know if HJC inspects their helmets?), some boots for New Enough... Grr. Fish. i think it's time to start drinking now From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 07:42:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94BgLSi001994; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:42:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94BgKZj001985; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:42:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: County Differences Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 07:47:34 -0400 Message-ID: <2dvqpuoo1uctuik7823igaaus4168dvkbd@4ax.com> References: <3E92FCE3.0C4B7BC8.00733C8A@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <3E92FCE3.0C4B7BC8.00733C8A@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g94BgJSi001973 three dudes went on a trip to kingsdominion.. a cop pulled out onto the highway... dude's #1 and #2 got on the gas to space on the cop. Dude #1 put a whole lot of space on the cop and exited the highway. Dude #2 eventually was pulled over and arrested by the cop. Dude #2 never had any previous criminal record and was a working college student. Do you know that this dickhead of a judge didn't give the guy probation, but instead made him serve 30 days in jail. I have a real problem when judges sentence speeders to harsher punishment than beligerent and violent criminals. I have a problem when non violent offenders are sentenced to jail. Poor kid. I think any jailable offense should be held by jury trial, and sentencing should also be decided by the jury. By the judge being one man and able to sentence someone so harshly, that's too much power for one man to hold. One could be technically guilty of violating the law, but morally deserves no punishment, yet a judge can sentence the man to the maxiumum just because he feels like it. There is something very wrong with that. In my perfect world the jury would determine punishment alongwith guilt, so that the punishment fits the crime. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 07:46:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94BklSi002048; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:46:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94BklFr002039; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:46:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Aki Damme Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: County Differences Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 07:52:02 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20021002143927.33688.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.5.2.20021002105756.01d08cb0@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021002105756.01d08cb0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g94BkkSi002022 yea talk to him, make him feel like you're a friend and a nice guy. On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:00:29 -0400, Aki Damme wrote: >At 10:59 AM 10/2/2002, dan wrote: >> > be sure to specifically invoke your 5th amendment right to >> > counsel if you're going this route.... but for a minor >> > traffic offense this sounds like a bit much. >> > -- >> > tg >> > >> >>While I don't see a good reason to admit the exact speed you were going, >>playing stupid or silent with a cop is a bit much. You are likely to piss >>him/her off. Cop have hard jobs, playing that roadside BS isn't going to >>make them any more lenient. >> >>Dan > > >very true IMHO, although the cop in Lovettsville still wrote me up for over >20mph, he specifically said that the reason he wasn't writing me up for >reckless was because I was cooperative and cordial. Isn't it sad that how >you *act* has more to do with what you'll be written up for than what you >*did*. > >Exactly the same reason you don't go to court dressed for the beach. > >I have absolutely zero doubt that if I had paid him the silent treatment, I'd >be attending court right now for reckless. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 07:54:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94BsHSi002113; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:54:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94BsGbp002107; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:54:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:49:35 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: Allen Caldwell , biglj@XXXXXX, catherine.ctr.austin@XXXXXX, claudecaldwell@XXXXXX, contact@XXXXXX, cwu@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Richard & Clara Caldwell , demayo25@XXXXXX, esande@XXXXXX, jendavw@XXXXXX, KBNEAL1776@XXXXXX, kloggr@XXXXXX, luchy-86@XXXXXX, mackatsea@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX, prenauld@XXXXXX, sales@XXXXXX, srichards@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX, DR650@XXXXXX, WSDYMF@XXXXXX Subject: On the road again Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Today I'm leaving on a road trip to Terra del Fuego with 2 friends. While on this trip I'll be keeping a website with pictures and stories of our adventures. If you would like to get in touch with me please respond directly to this email or use one of the links on my website. Here is the first updated to my site. Since I won't actually be leaving for a few hours most of the interesting stuff at this point is in the trip planning sections. http://www.twowheelsgood.net/twowheelsgood/americas/americas.html Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net Proudly sponsored by Loudoun Motorsports http://www.loudounmotorsports.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 08:12:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94CClSi002256; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:12:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94CCkHZ002249; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:12:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D9D83B4.90005@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 08:04:04 -0400 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oh, Bog. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > Not my morning. > > First I discover that my headlamp bolts have gone AWOL again, When you get new bolts, head over to an autoparts store and pic up some Loctite. It'll help keep the bolts from turning themselves out. Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 08:39:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94CdsSi002389; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:39:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94Cdsid002384; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:39:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: MC pics on the web Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:39:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cool Site... a history (and probably copy write infringement) http://home.planet.nl/~motors-20th-century/motors.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 09:01:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94D18Si002575; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:01:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94D17SZ002560; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:01:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 4 Oct 2002 13:01:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20021004130105.11784.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: County Differences X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) >three dudes went on a trip to kingsdominion.. >a cop pulled out onto the highway... >dude's #1 and #2 got on the gas to space on the cop. >Dude #1 put a whole lot of space on the cop and exited the highway. >Dude #2 eventually was pulled over and arrested by the cop. >Dude #2 never had any previous criminal record and was a working >college student. Do you know that this dickhead of a judge didn't >give the guy probation, but instead made him serve 30 days in jail. [Dave] It sounds to me like if this was in VA, both dudes 1 & 2 got off easy... IIRC, fleeing LE in the Commonwealth is a felony. In MD, it's only a 30 day license suspension unless something else is involved... I'm betting that we don't quite have all the info about the 'dudes' here... that's kind of irrelevant though... >I have a real problem when judges sentence speeders to harsher >punishment than beligerent and violent criminals. ... >I think any jailable offense should be held by jury trial, >and sentencing should also be decided by the jury. By the judge being >one man and able to sentence someone so harshly, that's too much power >for one man to hold. [Dave] It pains me to do this... I'm not even sure I can... I a... I ag... ... you're ri.... no, I can't say that... I agree. There. I said it. In the case of a traffic offense that involves jail time, it should AUTOMATICALLY be in front of a Jury. For that matter, ALL traffic cases should be in front of a jury. FWIW, I wrote a letter to Doc Gridlock asking if FFX co. revenuers err... police were going to be enforcing the 'Drive Right' law on the FFX co. Parkway ... I'll bet it doesn't get published. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 09:06:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94D6xSi002623; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:06:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94D6xPp002617; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:06:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021004130657.49736.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 06:06:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Oh, Bog. To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't worry about it Fish. That kind of stuff still happens to me all the time. Thats why I just gave up replacing the fairing on my VFR..... mark --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Not my morning. > > First I discover that my headlamp bolts have gone > AWOL again, so the > headlamp is just floppin' around, not doing a very > good job of > illuminating anything except my front tire. Now, my > front tire is a pretty > damn cute piece of modern craftsmanship, but, > really, I think it's getting > a bit narcissistic, so I'd like to be able to see > other stuff. So, I get > out some new bolts (and nuts and washers this time, > instead of the cheap > plastic doohickey inside the assembly) and fix that > up. > > Then my engine starts ticking, or so it seems. About > once a second, and > only when the engine is warm. I'm not actually sure > it's the engine. Could > be anything. Any thoughts on what that is? > > Then I run out of water on the road. Thirsty > Fishies. I think my Camelbak > is leaking, so it's probably piddling water down my > back. How irritating. > > THEN, I finally make it to work, engine off, > ignition off, neutral, > sidestand, lean... OOPS, sidestand not fully down. > *crash* goes the bike, > *thunk* goes the Fish onto his well-armored back. Oh > boy. > > I'm just thankful I'd already snapped the end off of > my clutch lever... > > Fish. > still, clearly, very much the newbie > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 09:28:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94DS6Si002763; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:28:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94DS6pI002758; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:28:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D9D970C.6D1D10DF@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 09:26:36 -0400 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom de CC: Fish Flowers , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oh, Bog. References: <3D9D83B4.90005@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom de wrote: > > Fish Flowers wrote: > > > Not my morning. > > > > First I discover that my headlamp bolts have gone AWOL again, > > When you get new bolts, head over to an autoparts store and pic up some > Loctite. It'll help keep the bolts from turning themselves out. Even cheaper if you have a female in the house is to use a bit of nailpolish. on the plus side, it adds *fabulous* color!\ blue skies! Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 09:52:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94DqaSi002938; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:52:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94DqaDx002926; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:52:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021004095032.03414620@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 09:51:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Oh, and... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:23 AM 10/4/2002, you wrote: >Just to add insult to injury to my morning, my helmet fell off a shelf in >the garage. Argh! I must not have propped it securely enough. So now I'm >gonna have to send it in at some point to get checked. How high was the shelf? 3-4 feet? No worries. 7-8 feet? Maybe a problem. Did you at least get the pleasure of watching it bounce when it hit? :-/ _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 N38.84810 W77.44614 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 09:54:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94DsBSi002978; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:54:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94DsBhq002971; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:54:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rockville B&N last night Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 09:54:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2002 13:54:03.0900 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FE4A3C0:01C26BAD] So, was anyone besides JTB at the B&N last night? I had to pick my wife in Friendship Heights, so we swung by on the way home. There were about 2 dozen riders there, but I didn't recognize anyone. I'm assuming that the attractive young woman with the purple cruiser was Jenn. She certainly had quite a group of admirers, when we were there. I wanted to say hi, but didn't feel too comfortable breaking into the circle. Anyway, hi Jenn. Nice bike. Perry (Black '92 Concours) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 10:06:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94E62Si003130; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:06:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94E61Jo003111; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:06:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Perry Coleman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rockville B&N last night Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:05:40 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210041005400P.04062@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 04 October 2002 09:54, Perry Coleman wrote: > Anyway, hi Jenn. Nice bike. > No no, it's "Cute" not "Nice". > Perry (Black '92 Concours) > Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 10:06:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94E6ESi003157; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:06:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94E6D3e003152; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:06:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:06:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Oh, and... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021004095032.03414620@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Troutman wrote: > How high was the shelf? I'd guess the helmet fell about five or six feet to the concrete. > Did you at least get the pleasure of watching it bounce when it hit? Nope. I was checking my electrics, heard a crash, looked over and there it was, rolling around like a little puppy. Fish. i hate puppies From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 10:06:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94E6sSi003200; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:06:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94E6sGL003194; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:06:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021004140652.23215.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: County Differences To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021004130105.11784.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >I have a real problem when judges sentence speeders to > harsher > >punishment than beligerent and violent criminals. ... > >I think any jailable offense should be held by jury > trial, > >and sentencing should also be decided by the jury. By > the judge being > >one man and able to sentence someone so harshly, that's > too much power > >for one man to hold. > > [Dave] It pains me to do this... I'm not even sure I > can... I a... > I ag... ... > you're ri.... > no, I can't say that... I agree. There. I said it. In > the case of a traffic offense that involves jail time, it > should AUTOMATICALLY be in front of a Jury. For that > matter, ALL traffic cases should be in front of a jury. i wholeheartedly disagree. anybody who WANTS a jury trial can request one immediately, or, in many jurisdictions, receive one as a result of an appeal from the trial court to the appellate court. wasting taxpayer time and money to allow each traffic offense, at the initial level of adjudication, to conceivably turn into a multi-day fiasco, is simply stupid. you've seen how some people are willing to waive their rights (we recently talked about pleading by email, mail, etc.).... but yet you want to give those same people their day (or 2+) in court when they don't even want it? please! i'll have to wait for your response until monday. i'm heading down the brp with the three amigos (of which hugh caldwell is but one) for a couple days.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 10:11:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94EBYSi003333; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:11:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94EBXaG003325; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:11:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rockville B&N last night Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 10:11:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2002 14:11:26.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED2F15D0:01C26BAF] Ah, I misspoke. Cute bike, Jenn. Perry >From: Carl Schelin >To: "Perry Coleman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Rockville B&N last night >Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:05:40 -0400 > >On Friday 04 October 2002 09:54, Perry Coleman wrote: > > Anyway, hi Jenn. Nice bike. > > > >No no, it's "Cute" not "Nice". > > > Perry (Black '92 Concours) > > > >Carl > >-- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 >FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 10:14:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94EEGSi003379; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:14:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94EEGP9003369; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:14:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:19:01 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Perry Coleman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rockville B&N last night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT LMAO. You must have seen Jen, as in Cajen (of SBN fame), not Jenn as in JTB. Both ride purple cruisers, Jen rides a Yamaha, Jenn rides a Honda. Jenn is in Europe (anyone notice how quiet its been?) Jen had posted that she was going to be at B&N. So I'm quite sure you saw Jen. Dan On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Perry Coleman wrote: > So, was anyone besides JTB at the B&N last night? I had to pick my wife in > Friendship Heights, so we swung by on the way home. There were about 2 dozen > riders there, but I didn't recognize anyone. I'm assuming that the > attractive young woman with the purple cruiser was Jenn. She certainly had > quite a group of admirers, when we were there. I wanted to say hi, but > didn't feel too comfortable breaking into the circle. > > Anyway, hi Jenn. Nice bike. > > Perry (Black '92 Concours) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 10:16:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94EGvSi003419; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:16:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94EGufV003413; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:16:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dan@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rockville B&N last night Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 10:16:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2002 14:16:49.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE0A1E30:01C26BB0] Oh! Well that certainly clears things up. Sheesh! %^) And, yes, it was a Yamaha... Perry >From: dan >To: Perry Coleman >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Rockville B&N last night >Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:19:01 -0400 (EDT) > >LMAO. You must have seen Jen, as in Cajen (of SBN fame), not Jenn as in >JTB. Both ride purple cruisers, Jen rides a Yamaha, Jenn rides a Honda. >Jenn is in Europe (anyone notice how quiet its been?) Jen had posted that >she was going to be at B&N. So I'm quite sure you saw Jen. > >Dan > >On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Perry Coleman wrote: > > > So, was anyone besides JTB at the B&N last night? I had to pick my wife >in > > Friendship Heights, so we swung by on the way home. There were about 2 >dozen > > riders there, but I didn't recognize anyone. I'm assuming that the > > attractive young woman with the purple cruiser was Jenn. She certainly >had > > quite a group of admirers, when we were there. I wanted to say hi, but > > didn't feel too comfortable breaking into the circle. > > > > Anyway, hi Jenn. Nice bike. > > > > Perry (Black '92 Concours) > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world)B’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > >-- _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 10:56:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94EuuSi003762; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:56:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94Eut7C003749; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:56:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 4 Oct 2002 14:36:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20021004143650.1420.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: County Differences X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) I pontificated: >>For that >> matter, ALL traffic cases should be in front of a jury. Gimer protested: >i wholeheartedly disagree. >anybody who WANTS a jury trial can request one immediately, >or, in many jurisdictions, receive one as a result of an >appeal from the trial court to the appellate court. [Dave] Not for traffic court. Although I'm given to udnerstand that in VA you stand a better chance of jury trial for reckless... And if you're at the appellate court, you're already convicted, and all the arguments are weighed in favor of the State, not the accused. >wasting taxpayer time and money to allow each traffic >offense, at the initial level of adjudication, to >conceivably turn into a multi-day fiasco, is simply stupid. [Dave] Be that as it may, by allowing these 'kangaroo' courts to fester, they creep their way into courts in which real crimes are heard. If the state doesn't want 'multi-day fiascos' for a speeding ticket, maybe they should reevaluate their law enforcement priorities... > you've seen how some people are willing to waive their >rights (we recently talked about pleading by email, mail, >etc.).... but yet you want to give those same people their >day (or 2+) in court when they don't even want it? please! [Dave] Damn right. If people have to show to defend themselves for even trivial offenses, AND the state actually has to PROVE a traffic infraction was committed, rather than what they get away with now, maybe everyone will reevaluate their priorites... Or not, whatever, accused of a crime is accused of a crime whether it's spitting on the sidewalk or armed robbery. A defendant should have the same rights at both ends of the 'severity of crime' spectrum. 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 11:46:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94FkPSi004117; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:46:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94FkOSk004104; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:46:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 10:45:40 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Spam: for Sale 02 KDX 220R Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g94FkNSi004087 Hi everyone, I am selling my 2002 Kawasaki 220R Enduro Dirt bike (water cooled 2 stroke). 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Then log in using the following information: Login ID: gcole@XXXXXX Guest password: nikoneditor_955203383 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 12:31:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94GV3Si004430; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:31:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94GV3tK004422; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:31:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CSS Experience Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 12:36:20 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g94GV2Si004410 Chuck How did you crash? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 13:14:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94HEFSi004655; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:14:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94HEE4t004636; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:14:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021004130634.022189e0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 13:10:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Oh, and... In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021004095032.03414620@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:06 AM 10/4/2002, you wrote: >On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Troutman wrote: > > > How high was the shelf? > >I'd guess the helmet fell about five or six feet to the concrete. > > > Did you at least get the pleasure of watching it bounce when it hit? > >Nope. I was checking my electrics, heard a crash, looked over and there it >was, rolling around like a little puppy. As controversial as this is, I wouldn't sweat it too much. Without any weight in the helmet, the interior core didn't compress at all. It is also unlikely that a fall from that height would develop invisible fractures that may weaken the helmet in a real fall. If you decide to send it away for X-Ray - wait until the rare 2-3 weeks of winter when we can't really ride around here without tire studs. Just got back from 17/M again. Have I mentioned that I love lane splitting in the city? I did it in front a 4 wheeled cop at the box and he waved to me in a friendly manner. Haven't been stopped yet - and easily shaved 5 minutes off my ride to Constitution. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 13:31:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94HVsSi004763; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:31:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94HVrov004755; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:31:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021004173151.81502.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:31:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Oh, and... To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021004130634.022189e0@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mike, lane splitting is a way of life here in DC. May I tempt you to move to our fair city? I do it daily, it reduces my 10 minute commute to just about 5 minutes. Next I am going to start riding on the sidewalk (JOKE!) Mark --- Troutman wrote: > At 10:06 AM 10/4/2002, you wrote: > >On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Troutman wrote: > > > > > How high was the shelf? > > > >I'd guess the helmet fell about five or six feet to > the concrete. > > > > > Did you at least get the pleasure of watching it > bounce when it hit? > > > >Nope. I was checking my electrics, heard a crash, > looked over and there it > >was, rolling around like a little puppy. > > As controversial as this is, I wouldn't sweat it too > much. Without any > weight in the helmet, the interior core didn't > compress at all. It is also > unlikely that a fall from that height would develop > invisible fractures > that may weaken the helmet in a real fall. If you > decide to send it away > for X-Ray - wait until the rare 2-3 weeks of winter > when we can't really > ride around here without tire studs. > > Just got back from 17/M again. Have I mentioned > that I love lane splitting > in the city? I did it in front a 4 wheeled cop at > the box and he waved to > me in a friendly manner. Haven't been stopped yet - > and easily shaved 5 > minutes off my ride to Constitution. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 13:48:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94HmRSi004889; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:48:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94HmRcA004884; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:48:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'Troutman'" , Subject: RE: Oh, and... Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:59:43 -0400 Message-ID: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F5020079938@MAINSERVER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F502017E9@MAINSERVER> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 >>Next I am going to start riding on the sidewalk (JOKE!) I recently changed offices; I thought I would miss my daily trips through the Park to Upper Northwest area but now I get to ride the motorcycle in the bicycle lane all the way south on 14th Street. ABout 6 minutes door to door and my boss even lets me smush the bike in between his car and the office building. Jealous? -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 14:43:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94Ih9Si005267; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:43:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94Ih87P005255; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:43:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D9DE076.1B0AC5B9@carlparker.com> Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:39:50 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Cops of FFX Co Pkwy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Makes me wanna chant: Get in line! Collect more revenue! Get in line! YEAAHEHAHHAHAHH!?!?!?!?! CP >Again, our goal is to reduce these crashes, modify driver behavior and expectations, and, >ultimately, to save lives. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 14:54:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94IsjSi005370; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:54:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94Ishlu005351; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:54:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021004185436.77163.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: County Differences To: Motor PsychoL Danny , HiCapMag@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2dvqpuoo1uctuik7823igaaus4168dvkbd@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > Dude #2 never had any previous criminal record and > was a working > college student. Do you know that this dickhead of > a judge didn't > give the guy probation, but instead made him serve > 30 days in jail. > 30 days is not too bad for committing a felony. The dumbass recklessly endangered the public safety to avoid a monetary fine. Am I supposed to feel sorry for him? ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 15:00:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94J0RSi005457; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:00:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94J0QBU005448; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:00:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ED5DE@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: County Differences Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:01:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Whatever happened to rider # 1 or 3 that wasn't mentioned? -----Original Message----- From: Todd Withrow [mailto:mtwithrow@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:55 PM To: Motor PsychoL Danny; HiCapMag@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: County Differences --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > Dude #2 never had any previous criminal record and > was a working > college student. Do you know that this dickhead of > a judge didn't > give the guy probation, but instead made him serve > 30 days in jail. > 30 days is not too bad for committing a felony. The dumbass recklessly endangered the public safety to avoid a monetary fine. Am I supposed to feel sorry for him? ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 15:02:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94J2BSi005569; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:02:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94J2BLO005560; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:02:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021004190204.15238.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:02:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: County Differences To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021004143650.1420.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > [Dave] Damn right. If people have to show to > defend themselves for even trivial offenses, AND the > state actually has to PROVE a traffic infraction was > committed, rather than what they get away with now, The offenses are proven. I testify that I saw you commit a traffic offense. You testify that you did not commit it. The judge believes my testimony beyond a reasonable doubt, the case is proven. Just like a criminal trial. If I see you strangle someone, and there are no other witnesses, the same proof is offered, my testimony. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 15:08:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94J8PSi005825; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:08:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94J8Oea005816; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:08:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:13:24 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: County Differences In-Reply-To: <20021004185436.77163.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Todd Withrow wrote: > 30 days is not too bad for committing a felony. The > dumbass recklessly endangered the public safety to > avoid a monetary fine. Am I supposed to feel sorry for him? > Its bullshit to me. Fine the hell out of him, but don't waste *MY* money locking up non violent offenders and letting lose fruitcakes that SHOULD be in jail. Hit 'em where it really hurt$. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 15:12:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94JCkSi005938; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:12:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94JCkj6005929; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:12:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021004145741.02233390@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:12:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Oh, and... (living in DC - directed to Kitchell) In-Reply-To: <20021004173151.81502.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021004130634.022189e0@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:31 PM 10/4/2002, you wrote: >Mike, lane splitting is a way of life here in DC. May >I tempt you to move to our fair city? > >I do it daily, it reduces my 10 minute commute to just >about 5 minutes. Next I am going to start riding on >the sidewalk (JOKE!) You could entertain me by searching the archive for the words 'Troutman' 'DC' and 'Bitching'. Keywords may not reveal much, but content is not hard to find. I don't mind my commute one bit. You (may) wake up to car noise ... I wake up to birds singing and obnoxious frogs croaking (for now - until the farms get sprawled out in 5-10 years ). I get 20 minutes of twisties followed by 5 minutes of slab, followed by 20 minutes of twisties in moderate to no traffic. I live closer to Clifton than Manassas. My main problem with living in DC is that I don't like people. I like individual persons, but people as a whole are thoughtless herds with no regard for those around them. Fewer people where I am - satisfies me. No closely packed nosy neighbors. I hated that aspect of Centreville townhouse living. I hate apartments. I do salute those that enjoy city life. Close to public transportation, walk to bars, rich cultural life within minutes. If that is what you enjoy - that is fantastic. For me - I like to build stuff with wood for my house, work in the yard, ride my motorcycle and generally 'nest' with the wife and dogs. Bars are boring. I rarely drink anymore - when I do - most bars don't serve Mike's Hard Lemonade. I get my culture in doses (Die Valkrie at the Center for the Arts next Friday and the Rolling Stones tonight). Public transportation doesn't really work in the 'burbs, but I am 2 minutes from the VRE station if I want it. Otherwise, I am minutes from great roads in the West to blow off steam and recreate. I guess working in DC all those years just spoiled the city for me. I've seen it at its best and worst and the Mayor for Life Barry years ( a little bit of both ). I've played Softball leagues on the mall. I've stumbled down M and K at 2am. DC just doesn't hold anything I value these days. Except a few members of this list that I consider friends, although I may forget your faces. My weekend starts shortly. I'm looking forward to it. PS - If they did legalize lane splitting in NoVA - uptight drivers would still block our passage. Funny how people are. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 15:38:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94JcfSi006118; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:38:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94JcfOW006113; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:38:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021004193839.95943.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:38:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Oh, and... (living in DC - directed to Kitchell) To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021004145741.02233390@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was teasing you, as I am well aware of your preferences (-: but I think you knew that. Luckily, there is space for both in this country. I do wish for some of the benefits of country living, but for now I am happy in DC. Noisy? yep, but I think the vibrancy and short commute make up for it. What worries me is that soon the suburbs will take all the country.....then no one will be happy --- Troutman wrote: > At 01:31 PM 10/4/2002, you wrote: > >Mike, lane splitting is a way of life here in DC. > May > >I tempt you to move to our fair city? > > > >I do it daily, it reduces my 10 minute commute to > just > >about 5 minutes. Next I am going to start riding > on > >the sidewalk (JOKE!) > > You could entertain me by searching the archive for > the words 'Troutman' > 'DC' and 'Bitching'. Keywords may not reveal much, > but content is not hard > to find. > > I don't mind my commute one bit. You (may) wake up > to car noise ... I wake > up to birds singing and obnoxious frogs croaking > (for now - until the farms > get sprawled out in 5-10 years ). I get 20 minutes > of twisties followed by > 5 minutes of slab, followed by 20 minutes of > twisties in moderate to no > traffic. I live closer to Clifton than Manassas. > > My main problem with living in DC is that I don't > like people. I like > individual persons, but people as a whole are > thoughtless herds with no > regard for those around them. Fewer people where I > am - satisfies me. No > closely packed nosy neighbors. I hated that aspect > of Centreville > townhouse living. I hate apartments. > > I do salute those that enjoy city life. Close to > public transportation, > walk to bars, rich cultural life within minutes. If > that is what you enjoy > - that is fantastic. For me - I like to build stuff > with wood for my > house, work in the yard, ride my motorcycle and > generally 'nest' with the > wife and dogs. Bars are boring. I rarely drink > anymore - when I do - most > bars don't serve Mike's Hard Lemonade. I get my > culture in doses (Die > Valkrie at the Center for the Arts next Friday and > the Rolling Stones > tonight). Public transportation doesn't really work > in the 'burbs, but I > am 2 minutes from the VRE station if I want it. > Otherwise, I am minutes > from great roads in the West to blow off steam and > recreate. > > I guess working in DC all those years just spoiled > the city for me. I've > seen it at its best and worst and the Mayor for Life > Barry years ( a little > bit of both ). I've played Softball leagues on the > mall. I've stumbled > down M and K at 2am. DC just doesn't hold anything > I value these > days. Except a few members of this list that I > consider friends, although > I may forget your faces. > > My weekend starts shortly. I'm looking forward to > it. > > PS - If they did legalize lane splitting in NoVA - > uptight drivers would > still block our passage. Funny how people are. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 15:40:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94JevSi006176; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:40:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94JevVT006168; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:40:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <029e01c26bdd$dc368460$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "Troutman" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021004130634.022189e0@mail.troutman.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20021004145741.02233390@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: Oh, and... (living in DC - directed to Kitchell) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:39:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" > At 01:31 PM 10/4/2002, you wrote: > >Mike, lane splitting is a way of life here in DC. May > >I tempt you to move to our fair city? > > > >I do it daily, it reduces my 10 minute commute to just > >about 5 minutes. Next I am going to start riding on > >the sidewalk (JOKE!) > ... > I don't mind my commute one bit. You (may) wake up to car noise ... I wake > up to birds singing and obnoxious frogs croaking (for now - until the farms > get sprawled out in 5-10 years ). I woke up (well actually the wife did, I'd been up for an hour) to a herd of MPD Harley-Davidsons idling at the gas station on the corner. It is a staging point for the newbie moto-cops while in training. And there's a very loud mockingbird in residence in our 150-year-old Elm tree behind the house. And I swear--I'm not making this up--the bird mimics the car alarms as part of his (her?) repertoire. ... > I do salute those that enjoy city life. Close to public transportation, > walk to bars, rich cultural life within minutes. If that is what you enjoy > - that is fantastic. For me - I like to build stuff with wood for my > house, work in the yard, ride my motorcycle and generally 'nest' with the > wife and dogs. .... Do all this stuff, where I live, substitute cats for dogs. Hate yard work, cuts into riding time; glad it's postage stamp sized. ;) Bottom line, and I think you agree with this, we have freedom of choice (given the money, 'natch). Live where you find your bliss. Yet, few things annoy me more than people (this applies equally to urban and suburban folks) who try to turn their surroundings into something they can never be. In my neighborhood, for example, we have people who bitch and moan because they have two cars, no garage and they feel put upon because they have to troll for parking. Duh. We also have people who don't like retail establishments, restaurants, renters and higher density construction in general. They seem to oppose the polychromatic nature of things that the rest of us find attractive. > > PS - If they did legalize lane splitting in NoVA - uptight drivers would > still block our passage. Funny how people are. > Lane-splitting in NoVA. Scaaary. I won't do it, even if it were legal. Paul, DC, couple of Honda V4 bikes From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 16:05:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94K5bSi006371; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:05:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94K5ZNR006357; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:05:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 4 Oct 2002 20:05:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20021004200534.6574.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: County Differences X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) I pontificated: >> [Dave] Damn right. If people have to show to >> defend themselves for even trivial offenses, AND the >> state actually has to PROVE a traffic infraction was >> committed, rather than what they get away with now, To which Todd W boasted: >The offenses are proven. I testify that I saw you >commit a traffic offense. You testify that you did not >commit it. The judge believes my testimony beyond a >reasonable doubt, the case is proven. [Dave] Right - the JUDGE believes you... A JURY actually means you have to actually provide some evidence and factual representation, since they're not paid by the conviction profits... Just like a >criminal trial. If I see you strangle someone, and >there are no other witnesses, the same proof is >offered, my testimony. [Dave] The issue is not your testimony in either case, it's who has to be convinced of the defendant's guilt by your testimony... If you were the defendant, who would you want determining your guilt ???? Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 16:34:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94KYvSi006754; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:34:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94KYvjx006747; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:34:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021004203450.69994.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:34:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: County Differences To: dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- dan wrote: > On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Todd Withrow wrote: > > 30 days is not too bad for committing a felony. > The > > dumbass recklessly endangered the public safety to > > avoid a monetary fine. Am I supposed to feel sorry > for him? > > > > Its bullshit to me. Fine the hell out of him, but > don't waste *MY* money > locking up non violent offenders and letting lose > fruitcakes that SHOULD > be in jail. Hit 'em where it really hurt$. > > Dan > Drunk Driving, burglary, drug offenses, petit larceny, grand larceny, arson, insurance fraud, perjury, indecent exposure, unlawful carnal knowledge, etc. etc. are all non violent also. Rape and forcible sodomy can be accomplished without violence also if you disregard the threat of violence. After all, if no physical injury is actually sustained, why lock them up? It is not unreasonable to believe that the 500,000 ft/lbs of kinetic energy contained within a motorcycle traveling at 130mph will do a great amount of damage to another person should they collide. Therefore it is not unreasonable to impose a jail sentence upon those that act with such total disregard of the law and the safety of others. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 16:43:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94KhASi006825; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:43:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94KhAh4006817; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:43:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021004204303.31063.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:43:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: County Differences To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021004200534.6574.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > [Dave] The issue is not your testimony in either > case, it's who has to be convinced of the > defendant's guilt by your testimony... If you were > the defendant, who would you want determining your > guilt ???? > Yeah, we all know how reasonable juries are. A $58 million dollar award to the survivor of some idiot who smoked for 40 years and then was suprised when he died of cancer is reasonable. Remember who the jurors are. Those people who have such crappy jobs that $50 a day looks like good money to them. Or they are willing to forgoe a few afternoons of quality daytime programming. If jury duty were mandatory and no excuses were accepted, then it is possible you would get a jury of your peers. As it is, you do not. People do not see it as their civic duty to sit on a jury, they see it as an inconvienence and try to get out of it. Usually succesfully for anyone with half a brain. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 17:40:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94Le1Si007206; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:40:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94LdxL0007180; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:39:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <03a001c26bee$788a1920$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Todd Withrow" , , References: <20021004204303.31063.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: County Differences Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:36:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Withrow" > --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > [Dave] The issue is not your testimony in either > > case, it's who has to be convinced of the > > defendant's guilt by your testimony... If you were > > the defendant, who would you want determining your > > guilt ???? > > > > Yeah, we all know how reasonable juries are. A $58 > million dollar award to the survivor of some idiot who > smoked for 40 years and then was suprised when he died > of cancer is reasonable. > > Remember who the jurors are. Those people who have > such crappy jobs that $50 a day looks like good money > to them. Or they are willing to forgoe a few > afternoons of quality daytime programming. If jury > duty were mandatory and no excuses were accepted, then > it is possible you would get a jury of your peers. As > it is, you do not. People do not see it as their civic > duty to sit on a jury, they see it as an inconvienence > and try to get out of it. Usually succesfully for > anyone with half a brain. > Oh my, what a broad brush you have. :) Some of us actually want to fulfill our civic obligations, and I've often been accused of having more than half a deck. Here in Your Nation's Capital, you get called a lot, both for DC Superior Court and US District Court. My wife's been in a jury pool twice and I've been on the hook once, for a drugs case that probably would have been a three or four day trial. Neither of us "pulled strings" or lied on our questionnaires to get out of it. They were taking *everyone* the day I was there. It looked like a pretty good sample of DC folk to me. I was assigned #15 in the pool (12 + 2 alternates). If any of the folks ahead of me had washed out, I would have been on the jury. I was in a month-long petit jury pool in Charlottesville and actually made it to the courthouse once, and got all the way to selection for an assault case. They got to 12 and didn't need me. My neighbor was on a Grand Jury investigating Asian mobsters. That went on for quite a while, but it wasn't an every day thing. She was mum about the proceedings. :) Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 18:28:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94MSiSi007537; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:28:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g94MShqQ007528; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:28:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021004222841.72546.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:28:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: County Differences (and lane splitting in NoVa) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- MAILER-DAEMON@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: 4 Oct 2002 22:25:47 -0000 > From: MAILER-DAEMON@XXXXXX > To: mriderleon@XXXXXX > Subject: failure delivery > > Message from yahoo.com. > Unable to deliver message to the following > address(es). > > : > 66.93.53.251 does not like recipient. > Remote host said: 550 5.1.1 > ... User unknown > Giving up on 66.93.53.251. > --- Todd Withrow wrote: > Remember who the jurors are. Those people who have > such crappy jobs that $50 a day looks like good > money to them. Actually the company pays for jury duty, less any money that the gov't pays. > they see it as an > inconvienence > and try to get out of it. Usually succesfully for > anyone with half a brain. I've been called for jury duty twice. I got out of it once, it was inconvenient to sit jury duty in McCook County, South Dakota when the Army had me stationed in Europe. Guess that makes me a half-wit. Leon - the slow guy in the I-95/I-395 HOV lanes. Contrary to popular opinion, lane splitting is tolerated in Northern Virginia, even some of the cops split lanes as they pass me in the 50 mph construction zone that goes from the Franconia Parkway to Duke Street. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 21:11:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g951BFSi008829; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 21:11:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g951BEYU008815; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 21:11:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003401c26c0c$0e7f5b30$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "Bruhl, George LT" , References: Subject: Re: MC pics on the web Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 21:07:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Nice site, but not truly accurate. They have my 700 marked as a 750. Honda did not make my bike in a 750 until 1987. Then again, I might not be accurate also. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 8:39 AM Subject: MC pics on the web > Cool Site... a history (and probably copy write infringement) > > http://home.planet.nl/~motors-20th-century/motors.html > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 4 22:14:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g952EbSi009175; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:14:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g952EZdX009156; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:14:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021005021433.19950.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 19:14:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: MC pics on the web To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <003401c26c0c$0e7f5b30$9865fea9@Godzilla> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It was only made as a 700 in the US due to the bail out Harley tarrifs in the mid 80s on all bikes over 700cc. Every other country got the 750 version. Every once in a while a Canadian 750SC will come up for sale on ebay. Keith --- "S. Russell" wrote: > Nice site, but not truly accurate. They have my 700 > marked as a 750. Honda > did not make my bike in a 750 until 1987. Then > again, I might not be > accurate also. > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruhl, George LT" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 8:39 AM > Subject: MC pics on the web > > > > Cool Site... a history (and probably copy write > infringement) > > > > > http://home.planet.nl/~motors-20th-century/motors.html > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 5 00:34:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g954YKSi009791; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:34:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g954YJaK009777; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:34:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 21:34:14 -0700 From: " Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My adventure in Germany (NSVC & long) Sender: mjordan812@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 199.174.231.85 Way to go, Keith! Should you be stranded again, a side trip worth the effort would be a lap or two of the Nurburgring - it's about 60km west of Koblenz. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 5 12:38:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g95GcmSi013190; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:38:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g95Gclfd013179; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:38:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021005163839.58807.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 09:38:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: County Differences To: Paul Wilson , sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <03a001c26bee$788a1920$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: >> Oh my, what a broad brush you have. :) Some of us > actually want to fulfill > our civic obligations, Like all artist, I paint what I see. I know several people who have gotten out of jury duty, and none who have served. On behalf of society, I thank you for taking your civic duty seriously. I wish more people did. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 5 13:47:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g95Hl4Si013510; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:47:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g95Hl4JF013501; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:47:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Rich Hall Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: County Differences Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:52:24 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ED5DE@SERVER1> In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ED5DE@SERVER1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g95Hl2Si013489 it was mentioned, Rider #1 took an exit and got lost. Rider #3 never got in front of the police car. I'm not sure if the story goes that the police ever had their lights on until they got up close to rider #2? SO maybe it's not a felony. Even if it is a reckless OR a felony, why jail the kid for 30 days, when other reckless and harmful 1st offenses get years of probation. Everyone is intitled to mistakes and bad judgments, and probation, community service, fines, etc, when there is no harm no foul. I dont' think the kid did any uncontrolled driving, nor came close to having any accidents. Also the kid was sentenced for doing like 120 mph I think.. so all of you who have done 120 mph on the highway and feel a person should do 30 days, please dont' be a hypocrite and turn yourselves in to the local authorities immediately with a full confession. Thank you. On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:01:33 -0400 , Rich Hall wrote: >Whatever happened to rider # 1 or 3 that wasn't mentioned? > > -----Original Message----- >From: Todd Withrow [mailto:mtwithrow@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:55 PM >To: Motor PsychoL Danny; HiCapMag@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: County Differences > > >--- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: >> Dude #2 never had any previous criminal record and >> was a working >> college student. Do you know that this dickhead of >> a judge didn't >> give the guy probation, but instead made him serve >> 30 days in jail. >> > >30 days is not too bad for committing a felony. The >dumbass recklessly endangered the public safety to >avoid a monetary fine. Am I supposed to feel sorry for him? > >===== >AIM: Inf DS > >http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > >----------------------------------------------------------- >Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to >childproof the world. > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! >http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 5 13:51:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g95HpOSi013573; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:51:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g95HpMf8013554; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:51:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Todd Withrow Cc: Paul Wilson , sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: County Differences Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:56:52 -0400 Message-ID: References: <03a001c26bee$788a1920$bb82fea9@palladio1> <20021005163839.58807.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021005163839.58807.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g95HpLSi013542 Would you really want people who are so non civic minded to really be jurors though? Some things are good or bad depending on how you look at it. Is the glass half empty or half full. On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 09:38:39 -0700 (PDT), Todd Withrow wrote: > >--- Paul Wilson wrote: >>> Oh my, what a broad brush you have. :) Some of us >> actually want to fulfill >> our civic obligations, > >Like all artist, I paint what I see. I know several >people who have gotten out of jury duty, and none who >have served. > >On behalf of society, I thank you for taking your >civic duty seriously. I wish more people did. > >Todd W. > >===== >AIM: Inf DS > >http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > >----------------------------------------------------------- >Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More >http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 5 15:27:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g95JRRSi014069; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:27:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g95JRQ31014058; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:27:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:32:24 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: County Differences In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > mph I think.. so all of you who have done 120 mph on the highway and > feel a person should do 30 days, please dont' be a hypocrite and turn > yourselves in to the local authorities immediately with a full > confession. Thank you. > > Must be a cold day in hell because we actually agree on something! Just be sure to wear a suit down to the local precinct, you'll get better treatment . Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 5 16:45:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g95KjsSi014443; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:45:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g95KjrTk014435; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:45:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021005164348.029dbb90@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 16:45:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: County Differences In-Reply-To: References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ED5DE@SERVER1> <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ED5DE@SERVER1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Saw what looked like a yellow Honda F4 on 66 near Centreville with a po-lice-man and a flat bed tow. On the way back they were still there, with the flat bed gone. My guess - cop called for a truck after snagging the scofflaw, sent a flat bed instead of a bike wrecker, everyone forced to wait a bit longer. Sad that was my first conclusion. He may have just broken down. At 01:52 PM 10/5/2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: >I dont' think the kid did any uncontrolled driving, nor came close to >having any accidents. Also the kid was sentenced for doing like 120 >mph I think.. so all of you who have done 120 mph on the highway and >feel a person should do 30 days, please dont' be a hypocrite and turn >yourselves in to the local authorities immediately with a full >confession. Thank you. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 5 16:53:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g95KrHSi014517; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:53:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g95KrHme014508; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:53:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 16:53:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: County Differences To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3D9F5132.21C8B928@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ED5DE@SERVER1> <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ED5DE@SERVER1> <5.1.0.14.2.20021005164348.029dbb90@XXXXXX> Troutman wrote: > My guess - cop called for a truck after snagging > the scofflaw, sent a flat bed instead of a bike wrecker, everyone forced to > wait a bit longer. Mike, What's a "bike wrecker". If my bike breaks down and I call for a tow truck, I'm hoping they send a flat bed, personally. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 5 19:50:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g95No1Si015657; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 19:50:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g95Nnwd9015632; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 19:49:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 19:49:37 EDT Subject: Re: Oh, and... (living in DC - directed to Kitchell) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/4/2002 3:41:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > few things > annoy me more than people (this applies equally to urban and suburban folks) > who try to turn their surroundings into something they can never be. Las Vegas. People want waterfront property so they build artificial lakes in the middle of the Mohave desert. MORONS! Do you know how fast water evaporates in 100deg. heat and no humidity, _millions of gallons of water evaporates or sinks into the ground so some idiot can live on a lake. By the time the Colorado river (Hover dam, lake Mead) gets to Mexico there is no water left for people to, oh I do not know, GROW FOOD?? . MORONS. Rant key off. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 5 20:03:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9603nSi015749; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:03:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9603nOi015742; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:03:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 00:02:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2002 00:02:42.0614 (UTC) FILETIME=[B127ED60:01C26CCB] Good Gawd Almighty!! For some strange reason this reminds me of an Elvis song... but I don't know why. http://www.davesgoldwing.com/Photo_Gallery3.html aw Never meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 5 22:29:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g962TaSi016544; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 22:29:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g962TWl2016525; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 22:29:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021005222750.038a2ec0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 22:29:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: County Differences In-Reply-To: <3D9F5132.21C8B928@comcast.net> References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ED5DE@SERVER1> <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ED5DE@SERVER1> <5.1.0.14.2.20021005164348.029dbb90@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:53 PM 10/5/2002, Dale Horstman wrote: > > My guess - cop called for a truck after snagging > > the scofflaw, sent a flat bed instead of a bike wrecker, everyone forced to > > wait a bit longer. > >Mike, > >What's a "bike wrecker". If my bike breaks down and I call for a >tow truck, I'm hoping they send a flat bed, personally. You know - the ones with the straps hanging down on the back. Thats the only way I have seen them towed (besides in trailers and pickups). Flat bed would work if it were set up for compression straps, but I figure they aren't since I haven't seen any bikes on flatbeds before. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 6 09:52:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g96DqNSi032030; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 09:52:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g96DqM7B032018; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 09:52:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 09:52:05 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: County Differences To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3DA04005.D26E4D10@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ED5DE@SERVER1> <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ED5DE@SERVER1> <5.1.0.14.2.20021005164348.029dbb90@XXXXXX> <5.1.0.14.2.20021005222750.038a2ec0@XXXXXX> Troutman wrote: > > You know - the ones with the straps hanging down on the back. Thats the > only way I have seen them towed (besides in trailers and pickups). I don't think there's any way to lift a bike like the Concours like that without causing lots of damage. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 6 16:30:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g96KUCSi001506; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:30:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g96KU9GP001484; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:30:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 13:24:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Trailer suggestions? Message-ID: <20021006132331.Y30019-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A friend of mine is looking for a trailer to haul his Gixxer600 back and forth to the track. Doesn't have to be fancy, but inexpensive is good. Any suggestions? Would Northern Tool or Harbor Freight have kits? -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 6 16:40:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g96Ke3Si001622; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:40:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g96Ke3R6001616; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:40:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021006163928.01eccd88@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:39:55 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Trailer suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20021006132331.Y30019-100000@magoo.noid.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:24 PM 10/6/2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: >A friend of mine is looking for a trailer to haul his Gixxer600 back and >forth to the track. Doesn't have to be fancy, but inexpensive is good. > >Any suggestions? Would Northern Tool or Harbor Freight have kits? > >-- Wayne somebody on this list was just selling one a couple of weeks ago. Maybe the archives can dig it up for you. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 6 20:17:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g970HvSi002915; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 20:17:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g970HuEx002905; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 20:17:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:12:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trailer suggestions? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021006163928.01eccd88@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <20021006171154.F30019-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Aki Damme wrote: > somebody on this list was just selling one a couple of weeks ago. Maybe > the archives can dig it up for you. I fwd'd that message to him when it was first posted and the seller never responded to him. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 6 22:24:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g972O7Si003548; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:24:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g972O7Nk003537; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:24:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DA0EF7D.D485A4CF@carlparker.com> Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:20:45 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Cops on dual sports... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sighted two Fairfax county coppers on some kinda dualsports on Rt.7 Seven Corners. Looked like BMW's but then they were all loaded out and painted white so I probably just thought they were BMW'z....coulda been anything. Also a freind of mine got pulled on teh GW parkway las month by a WRX. Watch your 6, Carl Parker "The Carl of Almost Infinite Affirmation?" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 05:06:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9796ESi005772; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 05:06:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9796CvP005764; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 05:06:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Aki Damme Cc: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trailer suggestions? Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 05:12:00 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20021006132331.Y30019-100000@magoo.noid.org> <5.1.1.5.2.20021006163928.01eccd88@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021006163928.01eccd88@pop.east.cox.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9796BSi005752 I found my trailer using cycletrader.com and it's brother/sister sites... trucktrader.com autotrader.com had a lot of good deals. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 05:07:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9797kSi005813; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 05:07:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9797jdQ005808; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 05:07:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Carl Parker Cc: DCCycles Subject: Re: Cops on dual sports... Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 05:13:37 -0400 Message-ID: References: <3DA0EF7D.D485A4CF@carlparker.com> In-Reply-To: <3DA0EF7D.D485A4CF@carlparker.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9797iSi005791 I rode to philly one weekend this past summer, and they had this really big park, and they had a whole line up of police dual sports. It was pretty cool. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 06:17:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97AHFSi006165; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 06:17:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97AHEFI006154; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 06:17:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Carl Parker , DCCycles Subject: Re: Cops on dual sports... Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 06:16:41 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3DA0EF7D.D485A4CF@carlparker.com> In-Reply-To: <3DA0EF7D.D485A4CF@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210070616410X.04062@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sunday 06 October 2002 22:20, Carl Parker wrote: > Sighted two Fairfax county coppers on some kinda dualsports on Rt.7 > Seven Corners. Looked like BMW's but then they were all loaded out > and painted white so I probably just thought they were BMW'z....coulda > been anything. > Last week while on the way to work (~5am) I was in 95 HOV. As I approached Springfield, I noticed a bike in my left rear view. At about then, I signaled and moved right. I accelerated to pass the guy in the left lane, signaled and moved back to the left. A quick look at the other bike (I thought it was a sportbike) and I saw that he hadn't followed. So as traffic passed the construction zone, I noticed the other bike was again in my left. A bit later, we both did a shift right and left (somewhere around Duke). As we passed Seminary and got to the straightaway, I stepped it up. He was close enough to be inside my mirrors. I moved to the right to let him by. I was doing about 80 (not 120; it's a Harley _with_ a windshield) when he went by me. _S$%$_! It's a cop! But he just did the right hand patting motion; "slow down". I backed it down to 75 and finished going to work. > Also a freind of mine got pulled on teh GW parkway las month by a WRX. > > Watch your 6, > Carl Parker > "The Carl of Almost Infinite Affirmation?" Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 07:49:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97BnMSi006549; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:49:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97BnLnA006530; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:49:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'Wayne Edelen'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: MC trailer Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:48:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Up on Balls Ford Road in Manassas, there's a place back by the McDonalds distribution center. Heading from Wal-mart to the 234 Bypass (West?) it's on the right. I did a web search for MC trailers and came up with a few good hits, all deliverable by UPS, assembly required. Sizes vary. Good Luck gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 08:22:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97CMJSi006732; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:22:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97CMIHY006727; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:22:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:22:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200210070822.AA200474900@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: MC trailer X-Mailer: I saw a nice new 3-rail trailer at Capital Camper Supply in Merrifield, VA. $600 they said. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Bruhl, George LT" Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:48:31 -0400 >Up on Balls Ford Road in Manassas, there's a place back by the McDonalds >distribution center. Heading from Wal-mart to the 234 Bypass (West?) it's >on the right. > >I did a web search for MC trailers and came up with a few good hits, all >deliverable by UPS, assembly required. Sizes vary. > >Good Luck >gb > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 08:38:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97CcISi006862; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:38:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97CcIT6006853; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:38:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD51ED633@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: DCCycles Subject: RE: Cops on dual sports...(WRX) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:39:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm guessing it was an unmarked WRX? -----Original Message----- From: Carl Parker [mailto:carl@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:21 PM To: DCCycles Subject: Cops on dual sports... Also a freind of mine got pulled on teh GW parkway las month by a WRX. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 08:48:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97CmoSi007008; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:48:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97Cmoet007000; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:48:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021007124847.61174.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 05:48:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Trailer suggestions? To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021006132331.Y30019-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A friend of mine in Atlanta makes this one. It got a good writeup in MCN a few months ago. http://www.motorsporttrailers.com/ Leon Begeman --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > A friend of mine is looking for a trailer to haul > his Gixxer600 back and > forth to the track. > > Any suggestions? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 08:49:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97CnBSi007048; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:49:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97CnBnQ007040; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:49:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 05:43:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: MC trailer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021007054302.I38857-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Bruhl, George LT wrote: > I did a web search for MC trailers and came up with a few good hits, all > deliverable by UPS, assembly required. Sizes vary. > > Good Luck > gb Thanks for all of the suggestions (pvt and on list). I've fwd'd them to my friend. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 09:23:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97DNgSi007252; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:23:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97DNgkO007242; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:23:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:23:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Grr. Argh. Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dunno if my reserve system is messed up, if the hoses are connected wrong, or if I'm just an idiot, but I ran out of gas again this morning. Got... oh, about .8 miles from my reserve. If that. So, now I'm curious. Are there any safe and legal methods of carrying just a bit of extra gas outside the fuel tank? Fish. who needs a gym when you run out of gas every month? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 09:30:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97DU2Si007317; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:30:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97DU2Ua007310; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:30:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021007132959.92047.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 06:29:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: County Differences To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021004143650.1420.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > I pontificated: > >>For that > >> matter, ALL traffic cases should be in front of a > jury. > > Gimer protested: > > >i wholeheartedly disagree. > >anybody who WANTS a jury trial can request one > immediately, > >or, in many jurisdictions, receive one as a result of an > >appeal from the trial court to the appellate court. > > [Dave] Not for traffic court. Although I'm given to > udnerstand that in VA you stand a better chance of jury > trial for reckless... And if you're at the appellate > court, you're already convicted, and all the arguments > are weighed in favor of the State, not the accused. wrong. de novo review here in maryland at the circuit court level means there is a clean slate. > >wasting taxpayer time and money to allow each traffic > >offense, at the initial level of adjudication, to > >conceivably turn into a multi-day fiasco, is simply > stupid. > > [Dave] Be that as it may, by allowing these 'kangaroo' > courts to fester, they creep their way into courts in > which real crimes are heard. If the state doesn't want > 'multi-day fiascos' for a speeding ticket, maybe they > should reevaluate their law enforcement priorities... perhaps, or maybe there just shouldn't be multi-day fiascos for speeding tickets. > > you've seen how some people are willing to waive their > >rights (we recently talked about pleading by email, > mail, > >etc.).... but yet you want to give those same people > their > >day (or 2+) in court when they don't even want it? > please! > > [Dave] Damn right. If people have to show to defend > themselves for even trivial offenses, AND the state > actually has to PROVE a traffic infraction was committed, > rather than what they get away with now, maybe everyone > will reevaluate their priorites... Or not, whatever, > accused of a crime is accused of a crime whether it's > spitting on the sidewalk or armed robbery. A defendant > should have the same rights at both ends of the 'severity > of crime' spectrum. hmmmm. so in your vision should the state be required to provide an attorney for everyone who receives a parking ticket? a speeding ticket? a reckless ticket? i mean, an ordinary citizen can't conduct a jury trial himself, can he? what about jury selection? should there or should there not be a selection process? what standards should be used for jury selection of a speeding ticket charge? of other charges? will the defendant be permitted to voir dire individual potential jurors? to make challenges? it may make sense to you that every charge receives the same attention..... but it don't make sense to me. there is something to be said for efficiency (if you can call the current system(s) efficient).... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 09:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97DXASi007363; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:33:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97DXApA007357; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:33:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: shooting this morning Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:39:04 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g97DX9Si007345 a 13 year old boy was shot this morning in bowie. He was with his mother, and shot in the chest/abdomin area. It was a sniper type of shooting. It's kind of weird, the sniper shooter wasn't aiming for kids at first.. then all on the news they were talking about "locking down montgomery county schools"... so it's like they gave the shooter the idea to shoot a kid.. it's like the shooter wants to terrorize the public so whatever idiot in the mo county school system decided to put it on the news that they would hide the kids, is a moron. You can't tell an anonymous psychopathic shooter that he can't do something. Especially shoot any one of thousands of kids. So what's he going to do? he's going to shoot a kid. He's going to further give himself a thrill, he's going to further terrorize the public to a deeper level, he's going ot further be proud of himself for doing it and getting away with it. Now there's been a shooting in a walmart in bowie. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 09:37:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97DbFSi007424; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:37:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97DbFMo007416; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:37:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021007133712.74099.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 06:37:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Subject: Towing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200210062300.g96N00HB002294@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Due to an unfortunately timed gasket leak which decided to puke most of the oil in my bike, I had the chance to get a tow yesterday from Hillsboro, VA. (The tiny little town on Rte. 9 on the way to Harper's Ferry.) Luckily, 1) I spotted the leak early and didn't toast the engine; 2) it didn't puke too much on my back tire. Anyway, as for towing, let me highly recommend Independent Motorcycle Transport, located in Rockville, MD. 301-946-5412 (24 hr.). Nice guy and great service. He has a nifty truck setup in which the flatbed actually lowers itself to the ground, allowing the bike just to be walked onto the bed. The bed also has all the proper straps, etc. to compress the suspension and hold the bike upright. Total cost to me: nada. Why? I joined AAA and got the RV+ membership, which covers not only my Jeep, but also the bike. $104/year. This tow (from Hillsboro, VA to Clinton Cycles on the other side of the world in Maryland) will pay for the membership all by itself. The rest of the year is a freebie. (Plus you get that magazine with all the pretty pictures.) Also, as Clinton Cycles isn't open on Monday, Independent agreed to keep my bike in a secure location and drop it off on Tuesday (which would technically two tows) at no extra charge. BTW, it was a beautiful day for a ride yesterday, and every bike in the area was out on the roads. And straight-piped Harleys are obnoxious. Aaron (digested. (but not by dragons.)) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 09:38:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97Dc6Si007460; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:38:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97Dc6s7007454; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:38:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, roadrunnaz@XXXXXX Subject: Re: shooting this morning Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:44:00 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g97Dc5Si007442 Now they are saying there was no one shot in walmart and it may be a hoax. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 09:38:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97DcDSi007494; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:38:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97DcDaC007490; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:38:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021007133756.81316.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 06:37:56 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Where'd all the traffic go? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii at first I thought I had missed the time change. Attendance at work is lighter than normal but more importantly beltway traffic was a fraction of what it normally is. Where did everybody go? Is it just me? Or did the beltway miraculously clear-out at 9:20? ===== I'll believe in evolution when you show me 10^50 blind people solving their scrambled Rubik's Cubes simultaneously. -- Sir Fred Hoyle __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 09:41:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97DfwSi007709; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:41:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97DfwCr007705; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:41:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Aaron'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Towing Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:41:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain I've used this company before and he is really a nice guy. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron [mailto:jarvis22201@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 9:37 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Towing Due to an unfortunately timed gasket leak which decided to puke most of the oil in my bike, I had the chance to get a tow yesterday from Hillsboro, VA. (The tiny little town on Rte. 9 on the way to Harper's Ferry.) Luckily, 1) I spotted the leak early and didn't toast the engine; 2) it didn't puke too much on my back tire. Anyway, as for towing, let me highly recommend Independent Motorcycle Transport, located in Rockville, MD. 301-946-5412 (24 hr.). Nice guy and great service. He has a nifty truck setup in which the flatbed actually lowers itself to the ground, allowing the bike just to be walked onto the bed. The bed also has all the proper straps, etc. to compress the suspension and hold the bike upright. Total cost to me: nada. Why? I joined AAA and got the RV+ membership, which covers not only my Jeep, but also the bike. $104/year. This tow (from Hillsboro, VA to Clinton Cycles on the other side of the world in Maryland) will pay for the membership all by itself. The rest of the year is a freebie. (Plus you get that magazine with all the pretty pictures.) Also, as Clinton Cycles isn't open on Monday, Independent agreed to keep my bike in a secure location and drop it off on Tuesday (which would technically two tows) at no extra charge. BTW, it was a beautiful day for a ride yesterday, and every bike in the area was out on the roads. And straight-piped Harleys are obnoxious. Aaron (digested. (but not by dragons.)) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 09:45:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97DjPSi007801; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:45:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97DjPf6007796; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:45:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Grr. Argh. Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:44:56 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02100709445613.04062@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 07 October 2002 09:23, Fish Flowers wrote: > Dunno if my reserve system is messed up, if the hoses are connected wrong, > or if I'm just an idiot, but I ran out of gas again this morning. Got... > oh, about .8 miles from my reserve. If that. > The old way: Mileage. My fricking gas warning light comes on at 3 gallons (in a 5 gallon tank). I've been using my tripmeter for a gas gauge instead. I get about 200 miles for 4 gallons, so at 200, head for the station. > So, now I'm curious. Are there any safe and legal methods of carrying just > a bit of extra gas outside the fuel tank? > Tying a 1 gallon red container to the passenger seat would be a big reminder to check your gas :-) > Fish. > who needs a gym when you run out of gas every month? Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 10:02:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97E2CSi008103; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:02:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97E2C1T008099; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:02:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021007140209.31408.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:02:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Where'd all the traffic go? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021007133756.81316.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Every parent in the DC area is probably going to their child's school to pick them up after this morning's shootings. Chris --- matthew patton wrote: > at first I thought I had missed the time change. > Attendance at work is > lighter than normal but more importantly beltway > traffic was a fraction > of what it normally is. Where did everybody go? Is > it just me? Or did > the beltway miraculously clear-out at 9:20? > > ===== > I'll believe in evolution when you show me 10^50 > blind people solving their scrambled Rubik's Cubes > simultaneously. -- Sir Fred Hoyle > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 10:34:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97EYLSi008346; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:34:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97EYIxF008327; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:34:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021007143415.22687.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:34:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: SPAM: For Sale 1996 Lexus SC300 To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am selling my car and going Motorcycle-only for a while. Just in time for winter (-: 1996 Lexus SC 300 69,000 miles Silver Grey Black leather interior CD Changer Heated seats/mirrors Moonroof Traction Control Excellent condition This car is beautiful. Its fast and sold. Large tires and low to the ground so its very stable. $15,500 OBO Respond to Mark Kitchell at 703-626-1221 ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 10:39:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97Ed7Si008389; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:39:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97Ed7i4008379; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:39:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021007143905.65859.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:39:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: SPAM: For Sale 1996 Lexus SC300 To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20021007143415.22687.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That should read fast and SOLID, not sold.... --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I am selling my car and going Motorcycle-only for a > while. Just in time for winter (-: > > 1996 Lexus SC 300 > 69,000 miles > Silver Grey > Black leather interior > CD Changer > Heated seats/mirrors > Moonroof > Traction Control > Excellent condition > > This car is beautiful. Its fast and sold. Large > tires and low to the ground so its very stable. > > $15,500 OBO > > Respond to Mark Kitchell at 703-626-1221 > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 11:26:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97FQkSi008745; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:26:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97FQjOl008735; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:26:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SPAM: For Sale 1996 Lexus SC300 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:26:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2002 15:26:38.0133 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDB69650:01C26E15] Never mind... >From: Mark Kitchell >To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles > >Subject: Re: SPAM: For Sale 1996 Lexus SC300 >Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:39:05 -0700 (PDT) > >That should read fast and SOLID, not sold.... > > >--- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I am selling my car and going Motorcycle-only for a > > while. Just in time for winter (-: > > > > 1996 Lexus SC 300 > > 69,000 miles > > Silver Grey > > Black leather interior > > CD Changer > > Heated seats/mirrors > > Moonroof > > Traction Control > > Excellent condition > > > > This car is beautiful. Its fast and sold. Large > > tires and low to the ground so its very stable. > > > > $15,500 OBO > > > > Respond to Mark Kitchell at 703-626-1221 > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More >http://faith.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 11:26:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97FQwSi008778; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:26:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97FQwhZ008771; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:26:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SPAM: For Sale 1996 Lexus SC300 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:25:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2002 15:25:52.0019 (UTC) FILETIME=[D23A2630:01C26E15] Mark, So if it is already sold, why are you advertising it here? ;^) Perry >From: Mark Kitchell >To: DC Cycles >Subject: SPAM: For Sale 1996 Lexus SC300 >Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:34:15 -0700 (PDT) > >I am selling my car and going Motorcycle-only for a >while. Just in time for winter (-: > >1996 Lexus SC 300 >69,000 miles >Silver Grey >Black leather interior >CD Changer >Heated seats/mirrors >Moonroof >Traction Control >Excellent condition > >This car is beautiful. Its fast and sold. Large >tires and low to the ground so its very stable. > >$15,500 OBO > >Respond to Mark Kitchell at 703-626-1221 > > > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! >http://sbc.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 11:28:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97FSJSi008828; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:28:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97FSJ0Y008822; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:28:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00f401c26e16$22cea8a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "DC Cycles" References: <20021007143905.65859.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Cageless winters, was Re: SPAM: For Sale 1996 Lexus SC300 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:27:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > > I am selling my car and going Motorcycle-only for a > > while. Just in time for winter (-: > > Welcome to the nuthouse, Mark. :) This will be my fourth "winter" exclusively on the bike. The colder season of '01 and '02 hardly merits the name. I've not caged it to work once in lieu of the bike. I figure, if it's too nasty to ride, it's too nasty to drive and mix it up with all the other inept cagers trying to deal with adverse conditions. I haven't gotten to work by other means (Metro) since Feb. 2001. Some of my best and most memorable rides have been in mid-winter. Heck, I went on a 350-mile ride last January, out to far western Md., Antietam Battlefield, etc. Got bugs on the helmet that day. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 11:40:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97FeqSi008928; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:40:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97FepcZ008914; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:40:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:37:32 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cops on dual sports...(WRX) Message-ID: <4FE96334.2F375F0E.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit WRX? intersting... Don't know if I would of pulled over. It could of been some kids with one of them DJ lights. There are too many sickos out there. That car would of have to call back-up to pull me over w/ real police cars. Or I would of pull in to a police station or call the 911 telling them some jack off is following me in some tin-can of a car. WRX fake copper catch me in my CLK55 if you can. In a message dated Mon, 7 Oct 2002 7:39:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > > > I'm guessing it was an unmarked WRX? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Parker [mailto:carl@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:21 PM > To: DCCycles > Subject: Cops on dual sports... > > > Also a freind of mine got pulled on teh GW parkway las > month by a WRX. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 11:40:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97FewSi008960; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:40:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97FewfK008956; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:40:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:40:57 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cops on dual sports...(WRX) Message-ID: <11C3A5D8.67AB8A19.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit WRX? intersting... Don't know if I would of pulled over. It could of been some kids with one of them DJ lights. There are too many sickos out there. That car would of have to call back-up to pull me over w/ real police cars. Or I would of pull in to a police station or call the 911 telling them some jack off is following me in some tin-can of a car. WRX fake copper catch me in my CLK55 if you can. In a message dated Mon, 7 Oct 2002 7:39:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > > > I'm guessing it was an unmarked WRX? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Parker [mailto:carl@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:21 PM > To: DCCycles > Subject: Cops on dual sports... > > > Also a freind of mine got pulled on teh GW parkway las > month by a WRX. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 11:42:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97FgLSi009004; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:42:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97FgLVH008996; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:42:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021007154212.85811.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:42:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: County Differences To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021004200534.6574.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > I pontificated: > > >> [Dave] Damn right. If people have to show to > >> defend themselves for even trivial offenses, AND the > >> state actually has to PROVE a traffic infraction was > >> committed, rather than what they get away with now, > > To which Todd W boasted: > > >The offenses are proven. I testify that I saw you > >commit a traffic offense. You testify that you did not > >commit it. The judge believes my testimony beyond a > >reasonable doubt, the case is proven. > > [Dave] Right - the JUDGE believes you... A JURY actually > means you have to actually provide some evidence and > factual representation, since they're not paid by the > conviction profits... > > Just like a > >criminal trial. If I see you strangle someone, and > >there are no other witnesses, the same proof is > >offered, my testimony. > > [Dave] The issue is not your testimony in either case, > it's who has to be convinced of the defendant's guilt by > your testimony... If you were the defendant, who would > you want determining your guilt ???? i assume you meant determining your guilt or innocence. there are actually arguments each way, depending upon the circumstances, for prefering a judge or jury to be the factfinder in a particular case. for example, if you are an arab-american, do you really want a jury trial right now? i think not. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 11:52:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97FqkSi009120; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:52:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97Fqk7P009111; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:52:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021007155244.91036.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:52:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Cageless winters, was Re: SPAM: For Sale 1996 Lexus SC300 To: Paul Wilson , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <00f401c26e16$22cea8a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks Paul. I am not that excited (-;. Well, I guess I am excited. The problem is, when I ride the short commute to the office, I am jeans, boots with Vanson jacket rider. But as the real winter weather comes, I will need to put on my full winter/water proof suit. Paul, I finally got the relay switch from Radio Shack if you have some time....thanks! --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > > > I am selling my car and going Motorcycle-only > for a > > > while. Just in time for winter (-: > > > > Welcome to the nuthouse, Mark. :) This will be my > fourth "winter" > exclusively on the bike. The colder season of '01 > and '02 hardly merits the > name. I've not caged it to work once in lieu of the > bike. I figure, if > it's too nasty to ride, it's too nasty to drive and > mix it up with all the > other inept cagers trying to deal with adverse > conditions. I haven't gotten > to work by other means (Metro) since Feb. 2001. > > Some of my best and most memorable rides have been > in mid-winter. Heck, I > went on a 350-mile ride last January, out to far > western Md., Antietam > Battlefield, etc. Got bugs on the helmet that day. > > Paul in DC > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 12:53:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97Gr2Si009447; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:53:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97Gr1Ul009443; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:53:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021007125239.0227dff0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 12:52:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Funny read - pedal based 2 wheelers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.snackfight.com/daily/ ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 13:32:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97HWkSi009930; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:32:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97HWjYp009923; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:32:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jim Shoemaker Subject: Re: Grr. Argh. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.7 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 13:32:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit How about one of those camping stove fuel bottles? They don't leak and are made to be stuffed into a backpack. Should hold enough to get you to the next gas station. --Jim Disclaimer: Haven't actually used one, but have seen mention of them on other lists (maybe even this one) On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:23:39 -0500 (CDT) Fish Flowers wrote: > > So, now I'm curious. Are there any safe and legal methods of carrying just > a bit of extra gas outside the fuel tank? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 14:08:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97I8KSi010399; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:08:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97I8JD0010389; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:08:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:04:28 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mriderleon@XXXXXX, wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trailer suggestions? Message-ID: <4F09080C.04EA9F06.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You get a discount for knowing him? :-) Scooter In a message dated Mon, 7 Oct 2002 7:48:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, mriderleon@XXXXXX writes: > > > A friend of mine in Atlanta makes this one. It got a > good writeup in MCN a few months ago. > > http://www.motorsporttrailers.com/ > > Leon Begeman > > > --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > > A friend of mine is looking for a trailer to haul > > his Gixxer600 back and > > forth to the track. > > > > Any suggestions? > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 14:09:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97I9PSi010443; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:09:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97I9Pcj010434; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:09:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:09:20 EDT Subject: Re: Grr. Argh. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/7/2002 9:45:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > So, now I'm curious. Are there any safe and legal methods of carrying just > > a bit of extra gas outside the fuel tank? Beans beans they are good for your heart, the more you eat.... Sorry. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 14:25:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97IPCSi010573; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:25:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97IPBfO010561; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:25:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:25:03 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Grr. Argh. Message-ID: <0776D7F7.1A93BB4C.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Beans, beans the musical fruit. The more you eat, the more you toot. :-)BÞ Scooter In a message dated Mon, 7 Oct 2002 1:09:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, PenguinBiker writes: > > > In a message dated 10/7/2002 9:45:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > > So, now I'm curious. Are there any safe and legal methods of carrying just > > > a bit of extra gas outside the fuel tank? > > Beans beans they are good for your heart, the more you > eat.... > > Sorry. > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 14:45:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97IjASi010756; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:45:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97Ij9cj010752; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:45:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:42:28 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Leather Exchange Message-ID: <05FB2570.4098FA9A.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, I received an e-mail from Colleen and, it appears that Lisa & Jay Goddard are now the proud purveyors of fine, new & used motorcycle leather apparel after purchasing Motorcycle Leather Exchange from her. I'm sure they will maintain the high level of service that Colleen has provided over the years. They'd better or, I'll sic Colleen on them. ;-) I wish them good luck in this endeavor. I also wish Colleen good luck in her future endeavors. I'm gonna miss banging my noggin on the Colleens ceiling ever time I stopped in. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 14:49:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97InbSi010812; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:49:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97InbEF010804; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:49:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:49:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: New Enough Customer Service Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII An independent customer service report for New Enough Motorcycle Leathers, http://www.newenough.com/... I ordered some Gericke PSX II boots from New Enough a few weeks ago when they were having a weekend sale. They arrived in good time and condition, except they were rather too large. A quick phone call, and some Sidi Strada boots (of the same size, though reportedly Sidi boots don't run as large as Gericke boots) were on their way to me. New Enough charged my credit card with only the difference in price and shipping for the new boots -- effectively giving me the PSX II boots on credit, until I returned them. Well, the Stradas were _also_ too large for me, so I shipped them back last Friday. Just got an email from Holly at New Enough confirming receipt of both pairs of boots, and a refund to my credit card of the full amount. In all, I ended up calling their (toll-free) number about three times, speaking with Megan and Holly, and swapped a few emails with Holly. Both were unfailingly polite and pleasant, despite the fact that I live in Maryland and therefore need not follow their "An Armed Society Is A Polite Society" guidelines. At any rate, just thought I'd put in a good word here. For what it's worth. Fish. buying ramen noodles with boot money From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 14:50:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97IojSi010869; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:50:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97IojYv010859; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:50:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leather Exchange Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:50:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2002 18:50:38.0202 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D5CE5A0:01C26E32] Wow! No kidding? Well, I haven't been to Colleen's in a couple of years, but Lisa and Jay are just down the road from me. That is great. Congrats to all concerned! Perry >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Leather Exchange >Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:42:28 -0400 > >Well, I received an e-mail from Colleen and, it appears that Lisa & Jay >Goddard are now the proud purveyors of fine, new & used motorcycle leather >apparel after purchasing Motorcycle Leather Exchange from her. I'm sure >they will maintain the high level of service that Colleen has provided over >the years. They'd better or, I'll sic Colleen on them. ;-) I wish them >good luck in this endeavor. I also wish Colleen good luck in her future >endeavors. I'm gonna miss banging my noggin on the Colleens ceiling ever >time I stopped in. :-) > >Scooter _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 15:15:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97JF6Si011118; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:15:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97JF3cJ011099; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:15:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200210071915.PAA08461@boo-mda02.boo.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: redbelly@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leather Exchange Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:15:00 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 OK so the cat is out of the bag. I was going to write the list a nice email telling everybody about it and begging them to come spend money. So guess all that is left is the begging. Lisa and I have been working on this for a while now and it all got worked out Friday. All the gear is at our place and the web site is being moved and re-setup. We are very excited, we plan to continue what Colleen started and hopefully expand the new leather sales and maybe sell parts too. Please take a look, the new address is www.MotorcycleLeatherExchange.com. I know there are a errors, we are working on them. Thanks!! Jay Jay@XXXXXX > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:42:28 -0400 > > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Leather Exchange > > > > Well, I received an e-mail from Colleen and, it > > appears that Lisa & Jay Goddard are now the proud > > purveyors of fine, new & used motorcycle leather > > apparel after purchasing Motorcycle Leather Exchange > > from her. I'm sure they will maintain the high > > level of service that Colleen has provided over the > > years. They'd better or, I'll sic Colleen on them. > > ;-) I wish them good luck in this endeavor. I also > > wish Colleen good luck in her future endeavors. I'm > > gonna miss banging my noggin on the Colleens ceiling > > ever time I stopped in. :-) > > > > Scooter > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 15:56:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97JufSi011383; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:56:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97JufPn011375; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:56:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 12:56:33 -0700 From: To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Enough Customer Service Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Fish, I've always had good experiences dealing with New Enough. They've always been nice and accomodating. But unlike you, I actually have merchandise that fit and I've kept. %^) Chuck On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:49:33 -0500 (CDT) Fish Flowers wrote: > An independent customer service report for New > Enough Motorcycle Leathers, > http://www.newenough.com/... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 15:58:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97JwCSi011424; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:58:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97JwBgP011416; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:58:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 12:58:09 -0700 From: To: Mark Kitchell Cc: DC Cycles Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SPAM: For Sale 1996 Lexus SC300 Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Mark, If it's > fast and sold. why is it for sale??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 15:58:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97JwxSi011458; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:58:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97Jwx3K011452; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:58:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 12:58:52 -0700 From: To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leather Exchange Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Yeah, but are we gonna get special discounts??? On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:42:28 -0400 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Well, I received an e-mail from Colleen and, it > appears that Lisa & Jay Goddard are now the > proud purveyors of fine, new & used motorcycle > leather apparel after purchasing Motorcycle > Leather Exchange from her. I'm sure they will > maintain the high level of service that Colleen > has provided over the years. They'd better or, > I'll sic Colleen on them. ;-) I wish them > good luck in this endeavor. I also wish > Colleen good luck in her future endeavors. I'm > gonna miss banging my noggin on the Colleens > ceiling ever time I stopped in. :-) > > Scooter > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 16:05:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97K5hSi011568; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:05:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97K5haa011556; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:05:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5238DAA@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: DC-Cycles Subject: inspections in VA Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:06:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anyplace I can get a bike inspected in VA (Ballston) w/ flush mounted turn signals, which would fail me and have them over look just them. I'd like to have the rest of the bike inspected if possible. If not just places that don't care. Thanks. Rich '94 Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 16:15:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97KFuSi011651; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:15:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97KFtrC011642; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:15:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ2JVVO0Q3GyTKTC4RgTxP3XzqlvYLh2usujoCMFSmbePDS4ctzcvptf6EDvjymsvA= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: inspections in VA Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:15:52 -0400 Message-ID: <015c01c26e3e$561ddaa0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5238DAA@SERVER1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I've never gotten an "in-depth" inspection at the Texaco on Columbia Pike. It's between Glebe and the Pentagon, on the south side of the street (next to B&E's). It's like $5 and 5 minutes to get your sticker. >From Ballston, I'd shoot over to 27 on Wilson or Fairfax, go south on Washington Blvd (aka 27), take the the Columbia Pike/Navy Annex exit, turn right at the light at the end of the treacherous exit (Columbia Pike), go two lights and it's on your left (at the seconed light). But I *hate* driving on Glebe Road (and you can't turn left at Columbia Pike from Glebe), so..... --jon -----Original Message----- From: Rich Hall [mailto:RichH@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:07 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: inspections in VA Anyplace I can get a bike inspected in VA (Ballston) w/ flush mounted turn signals, which would fail me and have them over look just them. I'd like to have the rest of the bike inspected if possible. If not just places that don't care. Thanks. Rich '94 Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 16:20:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97KKlSi011823; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:20:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97KKlJ8011816; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:20:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021007202044.72709.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:20:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: inspections in VA To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: <015c01c26e3e$561ddaa0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's one right near Ballston: Texaco gas station on the corner of Wilson Blvd and George Mason Drive. I've taken bikes (and cars) there in the past and I think they would satisfy your "concerns." Why are flush-mount turn signals illegal? The VFR and numerous other bikes have 'em. ??? Chris --- Jon Strang wrote: > I've never gotten an "in-depth" inspection at the > Texaco on Columbia Pike. > It's between Glebe and the Pentagon, on the south > side of the street (next > to B&E's). It's like $5 and 5 minutes to get your > sticker. > > From Ballston, I'd shoot over to 27 on Wilson or > Fairfax, go south on > Washington Blvd (aka 27), take the the Columbia > Pike/Navy Annex exit, turn > right at the light at the end of the treacherous > exit (Columbia Pike), go > two lights and it's on your left (at the seconed > light). But I *hate* > driving on Glebe Road (and you can't turn left at > Columbia Pike from Glebe), > so..... > > --jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rich Hall [mailto:RichH@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:07 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: inspections in VA > > > > Anyplace I can get a bike inspected in VA (Ballston) > w/ flush mounted turn > signals, which would fail me and have them over look > just them. I'd like to > have the rest of the bike inspected if possible. If > not just places that > don't care. > Thanks. > Rich > '94 Seca II > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 16:26:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97KQhSi011908; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:26:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97KQhfY011902; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:26:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5238DBD@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: inspections in VA Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:27:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" These would be after-market. They aren't running lights, which I'm sure has something to do w/ it. I'd call the VFR's integrated. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris_vtr@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:21 PM To: jmstrang@XXXXXX; DC Cycles (E-mail) Subject: RE: inspections in VA Here's one right near Ballston: Texaco gas station on the corner of Wilson Blvd and George Mason Drive. I've taken bikes (and cars) there in the past and I think they would satisfy your "concerns." Why are flush-mount turn signals illegal? The VFR and numerous other bikes have 'em. ??? Chris --- Jon Strang wrote: > I've never gotten an "in-depth" inspection at the > Texaco on Columbia Pike. > It's between Glebe and the Pentagon, on the south > side of the street (next > to B&E's). It's like $5 and 5 minutes to get your > sticker. > > From Ballston, I'd shoot over to 27 on Wilson or > Fairfax, go south on > Washington Blvd (aka 27), take the the Columbia > Pike/Navy Annex exit, turn > right at the light at the end of the treacherous > exit (Columbia Pike), go > two lights and it's on your left (at the seconed > light). But I *hate* > driving on Glebe Road (and you can't turn left at > Columbia Pike from Glebe), > so..... > > --jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rich Hall [mailto:RichH@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:07 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: inspections in VA > > > > Anyplace I can get a bike inspected in VA (Ballston) > w/ flush mounted turn > signals, which would fail me and have them over look > just them. I'd like to > have the rest of the bike inspected if possible. If > not just places that > don't care. > Thanks. > Rich > '94 Seca II > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 16:29:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97KTrSi011960; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:29:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97KTr26011951; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:29:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021007202950.47380.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:29:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: Leather Exchange To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Congragulations Jay and Lisa! Now an important question Is there a grand opening party being planned? and will alcohol be involved? Congrats again! Keith --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Wow! No kidding? Well, I haven't been to Colleen's > in a couple of years, but > Lisa and Jay are just down the road from me. That is > great. > > Congrats to all concerned! > > Perry > > >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Leather Exchange > >Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:42:28 -0400 > > > >Well, I received an e-mail from Colleen and, it > appears that Lisa & Jay > >Goddard are now the proud purveyors of fine, new & > used motorcycle leather > >apparel after purchasing Motorcycle Leather > Exchange from her. I'm sure > >they will maintain the high level of service that > Colleen has provided over > >the years. They'd better or, I'll sic Colleen on > them. ;-) I wish them > >good luck in this endeavor. I also wish Colleen > good luck in her future > >endeavors. I'm gonna miss banging my noggin on the > Colleens ceiling ever > >time I stopped in. :-) > > > >Scooter > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 16:30:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97KUwSi012013; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:30:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97KUvlX011996; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:30:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: Leather Exchange Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:23:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A641962305B852BA@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Leather Exchange Thread-Index: AcJuQGUz2TZ2IocUQjOebVXiXI7S8A== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g97KUuSi011984 Cool, congrats guys (I knew something was up) I may need to ride by someday soon and check out da goods.. George >>> redbelly@XXXXXX 10/07/02 02:15PM >>> OK so the cat is out of the bag. I was going to write the list a nice email telling everybody about it and begging them to come spend money. So guess all that is left is the begging. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 16:38:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97KcCSi012082; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:38:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97KcB0s012073; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:38:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1a7.9c4b626.2ad34aa6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:37:58 EDT Subject: Re: shooting this morning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/7/2002 3:01:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > oh i know he's going to get caught. It occurs to me that we are in a position to do something no one else can do. _We_ can look into vehicles, at the back seat, passenger seat, even floors of cars at lights and as we go by. Whoever this is, is taking no time to put things away, that gun is in sight, _if_ you are high enough to look. What are the odds that one of us finds something? Damn near zero. But it seems to me that it is going to be something someone sees rather then a police officer that cracks this thing. So as I ride I am going to start looking into the cars next to me. At least it is something. To the officers out there, GOOD HUNTING! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 16:55:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97KtGSi012300; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:55:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97KtFt5012293; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:55:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <021301c26e43$cf0264e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" References: <015c01c26e3e$561ddaa0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Subject: Re: inspections in VA Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:52:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Strang" > I've never gotten an "in-depth" inspection at the Texaco on Columbia Pike. > It's between Glebe and the Pentagon, on the south side of the street (next > to B&E's). It's like $5 and 5 minutes to get your sticker. > Or move to DC. Lights, horn, odo and VIN check, outta there. Oh, yeah, there's the obligatory banter, "man, that's a fast-lookin' bike. How fast you go??" Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F < Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97L7DSi012401; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:07:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97L7COU012393; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:07:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:06:55 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: redbelly@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leather Exchange Message-ID: <2529BB8F.18593304.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You can't keep anything a secret on this list. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Mon, 7 Oct 2002 1:15:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, redbelly@XXXXXX writes: > > > OK so the cat is out of the bag. I was going to write the list a nice email > telling everybody about it and begging them to come spend money. So guess all > that is left is the begging. > > Lisa and I have been working on this for a while now and it all got worked out > Friday. All the gear is at our place and the web site is being moved and > re-setup. We are very excited, we plan to continue what Colleen started and > hopefully expand the new leather sales and maybe sell parts too. > > Please take a look, the new address is > www.MotorcycleLeatherExchange.com. I > know there are a errors, we are working on them. > > Thanks!! > Jay > Jay@XXXXXX > > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:42:28 -0400 > > > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Leather Exchange > > > > > > Well, I received an e-mail from Colleen and, it > > > appears that Lisa & Jay Goddard are now the proud > > > purveyors of fine, new & used motorcycle leather > > > apparel after purchasing Motorcycle Leather Exchange > > > from her. I'm sure they will maintain the high > > > level of service that Colleen has provided over the > > > years. They'd better or, I'll sic Colleen on them. > > > ;-) I wish them good luck in this endeavor. I also > > > wish Colleen good luck in her future endeavors. I'm > > > gonna miss banging my noggin on the Colleens ceiling > > > ever time I stopped in. :-) > > > > > > Scooter > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > > http://faith.yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. > http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 17:19:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97LJOSi012567; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:19:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97LJNHx012559; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:19:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:19:07 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: inspections in VA Message-ID: <5BDB2B65.79A81522.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In VA? Find a gas station that does inspections. I took mine over to a gas station near Cycle Sport in Alexandria. They don't have their inspection license yet since they moved so, they sent me up the road. I've got flush mounts and a Eurotail with integrated rear turnsignals and had no problems. Scooter In a message dated Mon, 7 Oct 2002 3:06:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > > > > Anyplace I can get a bike inspected in VA (Ballston) w/ flush mounted turn > signals, which would fail me and have them over look just them. I'd like to > have the rest of the bike inspected if possible. If not > just places that > don't care. > Thanks. > Rich > '94 Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 17:20:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97LKwSi012618; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:20:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97LKwDR012611; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:20:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:23:09 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: keithlva@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leather Exchange Message-ID: <39D414EA.3B0D00C3.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I second that motion. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Mon, 7 Oct 2002 3:29:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, keithlva@XXXXXX writes: > > > Congragulations Jay and Lisa! > > Now an important question > > Is there a grand opening party being planned? and will > alcohol be involved? > > Congrats again! > Keith > --- Perry Coleman wrote: > > Wow! No kidding? Well, I haven't been to Colleen's > > in a couple of years, but > > Lisa and Jay are just down the road from me. That is > > great. > > > > Congrats to all concerned! > > > > Perry > > > > >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >Subject: Leather Exchange > > >Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:42:28 -0400 > > > > > >Well, I received an e-mail from Colleen and, it > > appears that Lisa & Jay > > >Goddard are now the proud purveyors of fine, new & > > used motorcycle leather > > >apparel after purchasing Motorcycle Leather > > Exchange from her. I'm sure > > >they will maintain the high level of service that > > Colleen has provided over > > >the years. They'd better or, I'll sic Colleen on > > them. ;-) I wish them > > >good luck in this endeavor. I also wish Colleen > > good luck in her future > > >endeavors. I'm gonna miss banging my noggin on the > > Colleens ceiling ever > > >time I stopped in. :-) > > > > > >Scooter > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > > http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 17:25:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97LPkSi012670; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:25:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97LPj6d012666; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:25:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: shooting this morning Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:31:43 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1a7.9c4b626.2ad34aa6@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1a7.9c4b626.2ad34aa6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g97LPiSi012649 Or some family member is in denial right now.. "oh it cant' be him he's a nice guy".. but eventually even theodore kazynski's brother turned him in. I'm not buying into this "big huge white truck" theory.. I think it's much more likely the guy is driving a pickup truck and is an avid hunter. I am surprised teh police havent' found that truck and ruled it out yet though. The news acts like just because that truck sped off means the shooter was in it. Those morons drive like that all the time, and plus a gun shot rang out, who can blame anyone for speeding off? I think word of mouth needs to spreed, everyone needs to tell everyone to look out for everythign and anything out of the ordinary. Anything and everything out of the ordinary is suspicious, check it out. You might see a guy walking along the woodlines, that's suspicious. You might see a guy standing around in front of some place just lookign around.. hell he could be looking for a good spot to shoot from... any cars parked on the shoulder of the road, any new cars in the neighborhood... atleast write down tag #'s, if you decide it's not serious, incase something happens and later you can provide that info to the cops. Sam shepard was caught because some lady noticed a car had a parking ticket, and she told the cops looked it up, went to his house and found his car with evidence in plain sight. Anyway good point about peering into cars. will do. On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:37:58 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 10/7/2002 3:01:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > >> oh i know he's going to get caught. > >It occurs to me that we are in a position to do something no one else can do. >_We_ can look into vehicles, at the back seat, passenger seat, even floors of >cars at lights and as we go by. Whoever this is, is taking no time to put >things away, that gun is in sight, _if_ you are high enough to look. >What are the odds that one of us finds something? Damn near zero. But it >seems to me that it is going to be something someone sees rather then a >police officer that cracks this thing. >So as I ride I am going to start looking into the cars next to me. >At least it is something. > >To the officers out there, GOOD HUNTING! > > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 17:30:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97LUTSi012777; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:30:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97LUT1I012772; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:30:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021007172929.024134f8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:30:21 -0400 To: Motor PsychoL Danny , PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: shooting this morning Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: References: <1a7.9c4b626.2ad34aa6@aol.com> <1a7.9c4b626.2ad34aa6@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:31 PM 10/7/2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: >Anyway good point about peering into cars. will do. ..you make this sound like it's something out of the ordinary. Oh it is? Uh...never mind... 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 17:49:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97LnYSi012928; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:49:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97LnYWm012924; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:49:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: inspections in VA From: Brian Roach To: Rich Hall Cc: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5238DAA@SERVER1> References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5238DAA@SERVER1> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 07 Oct 2002 17:49:26 -0400 Message-Id: <1034027367.2149.317.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Remove them. Get inspected. Replace. Problem solved :) VA does not require turn signals on a motorcycle (46.2-1038-D). If they are present, however, they must be DOT approved and function... makes perfect sense ::roll eyes:: - Roach On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 16:06, Rich Hall wrote: > > Anyplace I can get a bike inspected in VA (Ballston) w/ flush mounted turn > signals, which would fail me and have them over look just them. I'd like to > have the rest of the bike inspected if possible. If not just places that > don't care. > Thanks. > Rich > '94 Seca II > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 18:31:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97MVJSi013256; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:31:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97MVJLS013244; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:31:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [138.88.84.183] From: "Marc Washington" To: fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Enough Customer Service Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:30:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2002 22:30:12.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[19DEBFB0:01C26E51] For what it's worth I've also had nothing but great service from them and I've purchased three jackets, 1 pair of ballistic pants and a pair of gloves. They rock! >An independent customer service report for New Enough Motorcycle Leathers, >http://www.newenough.com/... > >I ordered some Gericke PSX II boots from New Enough a few weeks ago when >they were having a weekend sale. They arrived in good time and condition, >except they were rather too large. A quick phone call, and some Sidi >Strada boots (of the same size, though reportedly Sidi boots don't run as >large as Gericke boots) were on their way to me. New Enough charged my >credit card with only the difference in price and shipping for the new >boots -- effectively giving me the PSX II boots on credit, until I >returned them. > >Well, the Stradas were _also_ too large for me, so I shipped them back >last Friday. Just got an email from Holly at New Enough confirming receipt >of both pairs of boots, and a refund to my credit card of the full amount. > >In all, I ended up calling their (toll-free) number about three times, >speaking with Megan and Holly, and swapped a few emails with Holly. Both >were unfailingly polite and pleasant, despite the fact that I live in >Maryland and therefore need not follow their "An Armed Society Is A Polite >Society" guidelines. > >At any rate, just thought I'd put in a good word here. For what it's >worth. > >Fish. >buying ramen noodles with boot money Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 19:27:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97NRNSi013873; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:27:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97NRM7I013865; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:27:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021007232715.21229.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:27:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Grr. Argh. To: Jim Shoemaker , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just don't leave it in the sun. I tried that and the sun heated it to the point that the rubber o ring was pushed up past the cap. then gas leaked over the back of my bike. Todd W. --- Jim Shoemaker wrote: > How about one of those camping stove fuel bottles? > They don't leak and are > made to be stuffed into a backpack. Should hold > enough to get you to the > next gas station. > > --Jim > > Disclaimer: Haven't actually used one, but have > seen mention of them on > other lists (maybe even this one) > > > On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:23:39 -0500 (CDT) > Fish Flowers wrote: > > > > > So, now I'm curious. Are there any safe and legal > methods of carrying just > > a bit of extra gas outside the fuel tank? > > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 19:33:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97NXRSi013942; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:33:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97NXQfn013928; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:33:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 19:33:17 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: shooting this morning To: Motor PsychoL Danny Cc: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3DA219BD.20079291@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <1a7.9c4b626.2ad34aa6@aol.com> Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > I'm not buying into this "big huge white truck" theory.. I think it's > much more likely the guy is driving a pickup truck and is an avid > hunter. Yeah, big game season doesn't start for another month, gotta get that practice in early. What's the bag limit on Michael's shoppers this year? Horkster, an avid hunter. -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 19:34:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97NYdSi013978; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:34:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97NYcsH013971; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:34:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021007233426.85991.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:34:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: shooting this morning To: Motor PsychoL Danny , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: >> You can't tell an anonymous psychopathic shooter > that he can't do > something. You know what I am worried about. They are having a vigil for the victims. I forget what day and time, but if the psycho is trying to terrorize or make some kinda of statement. That would be an ideal opportunity. If I were the vigil going kind of guy, I would skip that one. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 19:35:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97NZ0Si014011; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:35:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97NZ0dN014007; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:35:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DA21959.A977CA8A@carlparker.com> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 19:31:37 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Va inspections... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Crossraods Motorcycle Garage (Bailey's Crossroads near the porn shop - Carlin Springs and 7) is a great place to have it insepcted. 5 bucks, kick the tires, blink the blinkers and you're go. Plus they have lots of wierd old bikes to look at while you're there for the 5 minutes it takes for them to get to you. Carl P. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 19:36:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97NaMSi014058; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:36:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g97NaMN1014051; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:36:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 19:36:15 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: shooting this morning To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3DA21A6F.538C30C9@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <1a7.9c4b626.2ad34aa6@aol.com> PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > It occurs to me that we are in a position to do something no one else can do. > _We_ can look into vehicles, at the back seat, passenger seat, even floors of > cars at lights and as we go by. Whoever this is, is taking no time to put > things away, that gun is in sight, _if_ you are high enough to look. > What are the odds that one of us finds something? Damn near zero. But it > seems to me that it is going to be something someone sees rather then a > police officer that cracks this thing. I'd love to see the talking heads on the news say something like that. The police won't really admit it, but they need the general public's help. They aren't gonna crack this case alone. It is a good idea to keep our eyes open, look for anything out of the ordinary. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 20:11:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g980BoSi014313; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:11:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g980BoBa014306; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:11:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021007200605.009ef880@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 20:11:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: shooting this morning In-Reply-To: References: <1a7.9c4b626.2ad34aa6@aol.com> <1a7.9c4b626.2ad34aa6@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Danny wrote: >I think it's much more likely the guy is driving a pickup truck and is an avid >hunter. Avid hunter? Geeze, where do you come up with this stuff? An "avid hunter" would probably use something larger than a .22 caliber cartridge. (Even if he's using a .233/.22-250/22 Swift, it's still a .22 caliber bullet. No mass; small.) "Avid hunters" use .30-06's and the like for hunting deer...bigger bullet, much more "stopping power". (Deer, which are *considerably* smaller than the average human.) No hunter who's worth a damn would use a small cartridge like that to kill large animals. (People) I don't think this guy is an "avid hunter"; there's absolutely no evidence to support this theory and plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise. Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 20:57:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g980vbSi014589; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:57:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g980va73014578; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:57:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003b01c26e65$aad19790$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: , , References: <4FE96334.2F375F0E.001912B6@aol.com> Subject: Re: Cops on dual sports...(WRX) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:57:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 A note just to warn all. Cycles USA just delivered to the US Park Police two of many WRX 400 dual sports cycles in blue. The Park Police guys said they were going to the substation in Anacostia. If they like them, they will order more. They are also ordering some more 750 Nighthawks, the usual cycle for them. Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Cops on dual sports...(WRX) > WRX? intersting... Don't know if I would of pulled over. It could of been some kids with one of them DJ lights. There are too many sickos out there. That car would of have to call back-up to pull me over w/ real police cars. Or I would of pull in to a police station or call the 911 telling them some jack off is following me in some tin-can of a car. WRX fake copper catch me in my CLK55 if you can. > > > In a message dated Mon, 7 Oct 2002 7:39:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > I'm guessing it was an unmarked WRX? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carl Parker [mailto:carl@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:21 PM > > To: DCCycles > > Subject: Cops on dual sports... > > > > > > Also a freind of mine got pulled on teh GW parkway las > > month by a WRX. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 21:00:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9810qSi014636; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:00:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9810qi4014629; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:00:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:55:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Grr. Argh. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021007175439.N43365-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > So, now I'm curious. Are there any safe and legal methods of carrying just > a bit of extra gas outside the fuel tank? What about that emergency fuel that's not really gas? Like this - http://www.autobarn.net/penroadresem.html -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 21:20:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g981K9Si014804; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:20:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g981K9ti014797; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:20:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Message-ID: <5b.2f5fc185.2ad38cbe@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:19:58 EDT Subject: re: Leather Exchange To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 8 Well thanks Scooter! Jay has a WAY better basement! I really doubt anyone will miss my low ceiling and dangerous light fixtures. I had some serious regrets at the last minute and actually got a little misty eyed when all the leather was getting hauled out of here, but I think Jay and Lisa are going to do a great job. I'm glad they are the ones who bought the biz. If the way they treated me during the last few months is any indication, anyone in need of new leather is in for a treat. I've been off the list for a couple of years. Did I miss anything good? Colleen ps: what should I do with all this empty space in my basement??? > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:42:28 -0400 > > > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Leather Exchange > > > > > > Well, I received an e-mail from Colleen and, it > > > appears that Lisa & Jay Goddard are now the proud > > > purveyors of fine, new & used motorcycle leather > > > apparel after purchasing Motorcycle Leather Exchange > > > from her. I'm sure they will maintain the high > > > level of service that Colleen has provided over the > > > years. They'd better or, I'll sic Colleen on them. > > > ;-) I wish them good luck in this endeavor. I also > > > wish Colleen good luck in her future endeavors. I'm > > > gonna miss banging my noggin on the Colleens ceiling > > > ever time I stopped in. :-) > > > > > > Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 21:54:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g981sASi015030; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:54:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g981sAJB015022; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:54:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021007214944.009fab00@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 21:54:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: re: Leather Exchange Cc: motorLE@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5b.2f5fc185.2ad38cbe@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Wow! Although I only purchased from Colleen once, it was the most positive motorcycle-related purchase I can recall. Colleen, best of luck to you in whatever endeavors you might undertake. And to Jay and Lisa......wow again! When will your basement/garage/shop be open for business? I will need a new jacket before I head off to school....got any deals? Make sure to give us the Grand Opening news; I'll make sure to send my friends your way! :D Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 21:55:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g981tQSi015073; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:55:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g981tQl7015064; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:55:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021007215502.009fab00@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 21:55:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: For Sale Spam: 1990 Yamaha FZR400 Race/Track day bike! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed 1990 Yamaha FZR400 for sale! Bodywork is fresh with a Speedwerks paint-job done in Yamaha Blue. This bike features a fully adjustable Fox shock, Race-Tech emulators & Traxxion springs, Ferodo Brake pads, Nissin Brake Master Cylinder, FULL Hindle exhaust, (no longer produced and the most sought after of all FZR400 aftermarket exhausts!) and a new chain. Spares include rims, gearing, controls, brake pads, and assorted pieces of bodywork. Motor has 1.5 "partial" seasons on it. (2001 and half of 2002.) I say "partial" because I only raced it at VIR and Summit Point, and never traveled with it. The motor is still quite strong, and will run with any other Supersport 400 out there. The 1990 model is the more desirable of the FZR400's due to the 4 pot brake calipers, reinforced frame/steering head, and Deltabox swingarm that the '88 and '89 models lack. This is a perfect machine for a beginning racer or someone looking for a trackday bike. Sweet handling, excellent brakes, and lightweight makes this bike extremely fun to ride. This bike has a clean title and also comes with a single-rail trailer that has been used 2-3 times. (Trailer has clean title as well.) $2,500 obo. We can discuss delivery options. Pictures of the bike can be seen at the following site. http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/vir.html Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 21:56:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g981u9Si015107; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:56:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g981u9TS015102; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:56:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 21:55:37 -0400 From: Shigeru Honda Subject: Re: Va inspections... To: DCCycles Reply-to: shonda@XXXXXX Message-id: <3DA23B19.4383FC52@attglobal.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [ja] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: ja References: <3DA21959.A977CA8A@carlparker.com> agreed, I was going to post the same. Carl Parker wrote: > > Crossraods Motorcycle Garage (Bailey's Crossroads near the porn shop - > Carlin Springs and 7) is a great place to have it insepcted. 5 bucks, > kick the tires, blink the blinkers and you're go. Plus they have lots > of wierd old bikes to look at while you're there for the 5 minutes it > takes for them to get to you. > > Carl P. -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 22:42:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g982gnSi015455; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:42:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g982gm5e015444; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:42:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dcsportbikeriders@XXXXXX, dodgecitymobrydaz@XXXXXX, roadrunnaz@XXXXXX Subject: (fwd) [kawasaki-ninja] Traffic...Beware Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 22:48:47 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g982glSi015427 On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 20:40:05 -0000, "Duane " wrote: >I just wanted to tell everyone about something that happened to me >early Sunday morning. While on the way home from a friend's house I >was riding the speed limit (and totally sober) on aprox. a 40 mile >ride from house to house. About 3/4 of the way home on an interstate >I >saw headlites in my mirror that were very far away. In the amount of >time I looked up and back down (all of 3-4 seconds) all I could see >in >my mirror was one headlite. The next thing I felt was this car >slamming into the back of my zx600 and now I was rolling down the >highway more times than I could possibly count. When I stopped >rolling >I was on my hands and knees and extremely disoriented. I knew I was >on >the highway but, couldn't tell exactily where I was I also knew that >I >needed to crawl off the road but, didn't know wich way to go. I >actually felt the ground vibrate (18 wheeler missing me by inches) I >just started crawling and finally got to the guard rail. The tractor >trailer that had just missed me had pulled over (the car that hit me >did not). The driver of the truck was already on the phone to 911 and >was astounded that I was actually standing (I really appreciate this >guy stopping but, unfortunately I have no idea who he was or how to >thank him) he did see the accident but, neither of us could describe >the car. The ninja however was totally destroyed doing a tumbling run >over 100 yards and into the woods landing bars down tires up. I'm >just >happy that I didn't suffer the same fate. I ended up with alot of >pain >and a little road rash and some bruises (very lucky but, was in good >gear). I'm telling you all this because it can happen anytime and you >must be aware all of the time (although you never expect a car to >just >run you down). I'm typing this while awaiting the call of the >insurance company to try and settle up on my bike...be careful out >there...capthook > > >------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 22:48:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g982mcSi015522; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:48:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g982mcKI015514; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:48:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <019a01c26e7d$6784d0c0$d41196ac@ticostat.com> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Motor PsychoL Danny" Cc: References: <1a7.9c4b626.2ad34aa6@aol.com> Subject: Re: shooting this morning Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:47:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Apparently-From: Rodgersmp@XXXXXX >>Sam shepard was caught because some lady noticed a car had a parking >>ticket, and she told the cops looked it up, went to his house and >>found his car with evidence in plain sight. Actually that was the Son of Sam, David Berkowitz. He gave himself the name, Son of Sam, after his neighbor, whose first name was Sam and whose dog would "send telepathic messages" to Berkowitz, telling him when and whom to kill. He killed 6 people, wounded another 7 including one left blind after being shot in the face, and shot and killed at least 4 dogs. Fun guy, huh? Sam Shepherd was the guy they loosely based the series and movie, "The Fugitive," on. He was convicted of murdering his wife, and eventually his conviction was overturned and his name cleared, but if I remember correct that came after he'd already died. Good advice, though, to be aware of your surroundings. You never know... cheers, Patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 23:01:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9831MSi015651; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:01:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9831MfF015641; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:01:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Todd Withrow Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: shooting this morning Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 23:07:23 -0400 Message-ID: <3ti4qu04fk6e206baohgg3klavenshul9g@4ax.com> References: <20021007233426.85991.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021007233426.85991.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9831LSi015629 That vigil being his oppertunity, struck me as well... if i were the FBI i'd have all kinds of guys set up to watch all possible places he could snipe from, and snipe his ass in the ass. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 23:04:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9834ZSi015704; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:04:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9834ZbE015689; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:04:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: shooting this morning Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 23:10:37 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1a7.9c4b626.2ad34aa6@aol.com> <1a7.9c4b626.2ad34aa6@aol.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20021007200605.009ef880@mail.mac.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021007200605.009ef880@mail.mac.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9834YSi015677 Avid hunter, because he likes to kill. If I recall correctly serial killers kill animals before they get around to killing poeple. Also he has a scoped rifle. I know .223 is more of a military round designed to injure and tie up resources, but this guy is a moron anyway so.... i wouldn't be surprised if he was a poser hunter or poser solider survivalist or something. He probably hunts regularly, but that doesnt' mean it's big game. Therefore avid hunter, just someone who hunts on a regular basis. I didn't mean to offend REAL hunters. sorry. :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 23:09:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9839SSi015773; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:09:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9839SMb015766; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:09:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Patti Rodgers" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: shooting this morning Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 23:15:29 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1a7.9c4b626.2ad34aa6@aol.com> <019a01c26e7d$6784d0c0$d41196ac@ticostat.com> In-Reply-To: <019a01c26e7d$6784d0c0$d41196ac@ticostat.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9839RSi015749 Oops... Thanks for the correction. What was that other serial killers name.. the night stalker..? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 7 23:53:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g983rgSi016001; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:53:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g983rgIc015993; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:53:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 23:53:33 -0400 Subject: Re: shooting this morning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <1a7.9c4b626.2ad34aa6@aol.com> <3DA21A6F.538C30C9@XXXXXX> In-Reply-To: <3DA21A6F.538C30C9@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > >> It occurs to me that we are in a position to do something no one else >can do. >> _We_ can look into vehicles, at the back seat, passenger seat, even >floors of >> cars at lights and as we go by. Whoever this is, is taking no time to >put >> things away, that gun is in sight, _if_ you are high enough to look. Why would someone leave a murder weapon visible when it takes about 2 seconds to hide it in a duffel bag? --garcia "An armed society is a polite society." Well, maybe not. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 07:54:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98BsESi018863; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 07:54:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98Bs2hP018843; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 07:54:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514DE0@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: Grr. Argh. Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 07:54:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Fish Flowers flummoxed, 'fessed, "Dunno if my reserve system is messed up, if the hoses are connected wrong, or if I'm just an idiot, but I ran out of gas again this morning. Got... oh, about .8 miles from my reserve. If that." Some reserve systems are designed like this: There is a screened vertical tube coming from your fuel petcock. Inside is a solid tube about 30 mm long. The solid tube is your regular fuel source. When the fuel level drops below the tube's entrance, the carbs lean out and your brain goes "Duh, Uh, Oh yeah, lessee which way do I turn the knob for reserve?" When you twist the knob to "RES", you're pulling fuel from the bottom of the tank, not 30 mm from the bottom. If the solid tube or an o-ring, becomes dislodged or the tube springs a leak, you're always on reserve. BTW, the bottom of the tank is where condensate (A.K.A. water) collects so it's a "Good Idea" to run on "RES" occasionally to scavenge the corrosive stuff. You can drain your tank, pull it, and remove the petcock and see if anything has visibly gone awry. If not, follow the Evil Overlord's advice and watch yer trip meter (Or else? =8^O). Fish followed with: "So, now I'm curious. Are there any safe and legal methods of carrying just a bit of extra gas outside the fuel tank?" I've bungeed a 2.5 gallon plastic tank to my saddle to check how many miles were left after going on reserve. But take heed, those that have followed my example and died in a flaming crash, never came back to warn me of the inherent dangers. Carl (the nice) "Ah'm from the gummimint and here to hep ya." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 07:58:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98BwcSi019010; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 07:58:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98BwbG7019003; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 07:58:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY7ZWJG7w5tYkyQBJ71yUvTToMciPaTakvTcWItGGPVOClNVqUgbYuDQZG12GufU9E= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: shooting this morning Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 07:58:34 -0400 Message-ID: <003301c26ec2$0817e650$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021007200605.009ef880@mail.mac.com> Importance: Normal There are a gazillion .223s out there. "Varmint rifles" is what we called 'em back when I was a kid. Back then, most "avid hunters" had one with a scope for coyotes and what-not. I had a buddy that had a .223/20gauge over-under. Multi-purpose back-of-the-pickup rifle/shotgun. --jon ----- Sean Jordan wrote: Danny wrote: >I think it's much more likely the guy is driving a pickup truck and is an avid >hunter. Avid hunter? Geeze, where do you come up with this stuff? An "avid hunter" would probably use something larger than a .22 caliber cartridge. (Even if he's using a .233/.22-250/22 Swift, it's still a .22 caliber bullet. No mass; small.) "Avid hunters" use .30-06's and the like for hunting deer...bigger bullet, much more "stopping power". (Deer, which are *considerably* smaller than the average human.) No hunter who's worth a damn would use a small cartridge like that to kill large animals. (People) I don't think this guy is an "avid hunter"; there's absolutely no evidence to support this theory and plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 08:07:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98C74Si019305; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:07:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98C74VF019297; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:07:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZiEr2iqZryplgqul1GHF7XYWqnkh5JsSB3BVHucdZsh3QmuyabB/AoHSr6CS7OIsg= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Cops on dual sports...(WRX) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:07:01 -0400 Message-ID: <003501c26ec3$35f5e260$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal WRX 400? is that Yamaha's 4-stroke? -----S. Russell A note just to warn all. Cycles USA just delivered to the US Park Police two of many WRX 400 dual sports cycles in blue. The Park Police guys said they were going to the substation in Anacostia. If they like them, they will order more. They are also ordering some more 750 Nighthawks, the usual cycle for them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 08:21:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98CLZSi019603; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:21:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98CLZPF019597; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:21:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbYayxHIuY/jTxpHMjRM4KTMC+KnkC8lRSirFl9dZm69as0CnBzFZdgWSu4bdobZaY= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: old standard "HELP!" Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:21:32 -0400 Message-ID: <003601c26ec5$3d629a00$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3DA21959.A977CA8A@carlparker.com> Importance: Normal My roommate has a 1983 KZ750 LTD as his first bike. He's done the MSF beginners (and met Bill H. in the process), done some seat time, and is now getting ready to embark on his first long-ish ride: an easy 300 miler down to his sister's house. Now for reason for the "HELP!": He's trying to get some soft saddlebags. The problem is the rear blinkers. They are right where saddlebags oughta be. The 'universal' fit Teknics I have expect a modern-ish bike, with the blinkers quite a bit farther to the rear. If we try to put them on his bike in front of the blinkers, the bags are way too far forward. If we try to get the bags under the blinkers, they are way too far down. Short of relocating the blinkers, what do old standard-riders do for saddlebags? I've already told him to go to Coleman's, "try on" what they have in stock, and write down what (if anything) fits. Any other ideas? Thanks, all. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 08:41:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98CfaSi019846; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:41:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98CfZ8A019839; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:41:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021008124128.22093.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 05:41:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: RE: shooting this morning To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: <003301c26ec2$0817e650$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I know that a regular .223 rifle can be had anywhere that sells rifles (I think Wal-Mart used to sell them). If I'm not mistaken, isn't a .223 the same caliber as an AR-15? -Nick --- Jon Strang wrote: > There are a gazillion .223s out there. "Varmint > rifles" is what we called > 'em back when I was a kid. Back then, most "avid > hunters" had one with a > scope for coyotes and what-not. I had a buddy that > had a .223/20gauge > over-under. Multi-purpose back-of-the-pickup > rifle/shotgun. > > --jon > > ----- Sean Jordan wrote: > > Danny wrote: > > >I think it's much more likely the guy is driving a > pickup truck and is an > avid > >hunter. > > Avid hunter? Geeze, where do you come up with this > stuff? > > An "avid hunter" would probably use something larger > than a .22 caliber > cartridge. (Even if he's using a .233/.22-250/22 > Swift, it's still a .22 > caliber bullet. No mass; small.) "Avid hunters" use > .30-06's and the like > for hunting deer...bigger bullet, much more > "stopping power". (Deer, which > are *considerably* smaller than the average human.) > No hunter who's worth a > damn would use a small cartridge like that to kill > large animals. (People) > > I don't think this guy is an "avid hunter"; there's > absolutely no evidence > to support this theory and plenty of evidence to > suggest otherwise. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 08:55:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98CtLSi020089; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:55:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98CtKks020077; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:55:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021008125518.51935.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 05:55:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: shooting this morning To: Nicholas Thompson , jmstrang@XXXXXX, "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: <20021008124128.22093.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes it does have a .223. Glenn (pre ban AR-15 owner) --- Nicholas Thompson wrote: > I know that a regular .223 rifle can be had anywhere > that sells rifles (I think Wal-Mart used to sell > them). > > If I'm not mistaken, isn't a .223 the same caliber > as > an AR-15? > > -Nick > > > --- Jon Strang wrote: > > There are a gazillion .223s out there. "Varmint > > rifles" is what we called > > 'em back when I was a kid. Back then, most "avid > > hunters" had one with a > > scope for coyotes and what-not. I had a buddy > that > > had a .223/20gauge > > over-under. Multi-purpose back-of-the-pickup > > rifle/shotgun. > > > > --jon > > > > ----- Sean Jordan wrote: > > > > Danny wrote: > > > > >I think it's much more likely the guy is driving > a > > pickup truck and is an > > avid > > >hunter. > > > > Avid hunter? Geeze, where do you come up with this > > stuff? > > > > An "avid hunter" would probably use something > larger > > than a .22 caliber > > cartridge. (Even if he's using a .233/.22-250/22 > > Swift, it's still a .22 > > caliber bullet. No mass; small.) "Avid hunters" > use > > .30-06's and the like > > for hunting deer...bigger bullet, much more > > "stopping power". (Deer, which > > are *considerably* smaller than the average > human.) > > No hunter who's worth a > > damn would use a small cartridge like that to kill > > large animals. (People) > > > > I don't think this guy is an "avid hunter"; > there's > > absolutely no evidence > > to support this theory and plenty of evidence to > > suggest otherwise. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 08:56:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98CuhSi020124; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:56:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98CuhVx020115; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:56:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaWgXopfAinAi+XuAeBmzjuETDwsk7cgBPW+1NM8W2g+UVNSbeRthcmcYJcutMRaPI= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: shooting this morning Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:56:40 -0400 Message-ID: <003701c26eca$257ea0a0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20021008124128.22093.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Yeah, the Post keeps showing AR-15 pictures because they look scary. Somehow, I don't think the sniper is picking people off with a short-barrel, open-sight assault rifle. Think long barrel and scope. --jon -----Nicholas Thompson wrote: I know that a regular .223 rifle can be had anywhere that sells rifles (I think Wal-Mart used to sell them). If I'm not mistaken, isn't a .223 the same caliber as an AR-15? -Nick --- Jon Strang wrote: > There are a gazillion .223s out there. "Varmint > rifles" is what we called > 'em back when I was a kid. Back then, most "avid > hunters" had one with a > scope for coyotes and what-not. I had a buddy that > had a .223/20gauge > over-under. Multi-purpose back-of-the-pickup > rifle/shotgun. > > --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 09:00:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98D0oSi020324; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:00:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98D0naf020319; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:00:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021008130045.8067.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 06:00:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: shooting this morning To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: <003701c26eca$257ea0a0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii With a scope, the AR-15 is very capable of distance shooting but its VERY noisy. Glenn --- Jon Strang wrote: > Yeah, the Post keeps showing AR-15 pictures because > they look scary. > > Somehow, I don't think the sniper is picking people > off with a short-barrel, > open-sight assault rifle. Think long barrel and > scope. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 09:18:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98DICSi020669; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:18:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98DICIq020662; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:18:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021008131805.88169.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 06:18:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: RE: shooting this morning To: Glenn Dysart , jmstrang@XXXXXX, "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: <20021008130045.8067.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would bet that the victims are hit before the shot could be heard. How far do they speculate the shots are being fired from? Nick --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > With a scope, the AR-15 is very capable of distance > shooting but its VERY noisy. > > Glenn > > --- Jon Strang wrote: > > Yeah, the Post keeps showing AR-15 pictures > because > > they look scary. > > > > Somehow, I don't think the sniper is picking > people > > off with a short-barrel, > > open-sight assault rifle. Think long barrel and > > scope. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 09:41:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98DfdSi020965; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:41:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98Dfd5S020958; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:41:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'Motor PsychoL Danny'" , Subject: RE: shooting this morning (a serial killer encyclopedia) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:51:48 -0400 Message-ID: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F502007995A@MAINSERVER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F502007AEE6@MAINSERVER> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal >>Oops... Thanks for the correction. >>What was that other serial >>killers name.. the night stalker..? The Night Stalker was Richard Ramieriez. He's another really scary dude since he showed hardly any remorse. He got married in prison like three times. There's a lot of serial killers... Green River Killer, Boston Strangler, Dahmer, Hillside Stranglers, Ed Gein (in my opinion the sickest of all the sick f%$ks out there) Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, etc. etc. Usually they get caught because they become careless. Either they leave a victim alive, or they do something so stupid like running a red light which attracts police attention to them. Or stop mowing the lawn, which is how the cops first went to see Ed Gein. I know a lot about serial killers; I think the warps of the human mind are fascinating. My sister used to work with the criminally insane at the Md. State Prison and some of the stories she'd tell me... make your blood run real cold. Unfortunately I know what kind of money she was making so it's not a career choice for me. But I love to read about the sick twisted things these guys can convince themselves is acceptible. I'll be happy to tell more, if anyone wants to hear it. I don't want to gross out the entire list this early in the morning! -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 09:51:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98DphSi021176; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:51:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98Dph7E021168; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:51:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021008135138.4201.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 06:51:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: old standard "HELP!" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <003601c26ec5$3d629a00$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii He could always put a sleeping bag or some other bulky item underneath the saddlebags to raise them up high enough to clear the blinkers. Not a long-term solution, but it might work for this trip. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 09:57:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98DvWSi021441; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:57:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98DvWue021427; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:57:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021008095641.01c5cf70@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:57:24 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: shooting this morning (a serial killer encyclopedia) In-Reply-To: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F502007995A@MAINSERVER> References: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F502007AEE6@MAINSERVER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:51 AM 10/8/2002, Patti Rodgers wrote: > >>Oops... Thanks for the correction. >>What was that other serial > >>killers name.. the night stalker..? > >The Night Stalker was Richard Ramieriez. He's another really scary dude >since he showed hardly any remorse. He got married in prison like three >times. > >There's a lot of serial killers... Green River Killer, Boston Strangler, >Dahmer, Hillside Stranglers, Ed Gein (in my opinion the sickest of all the >sick f%$ks out there) Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, etc. etc. Usually they get >caught because they become careless. Either they leave a victim alive, or >they do something so stupid like running a red light which attracts police >attention to them. Or stop mowing the lawn, which is how the cops first >went to see Ed Gein. > >I know a lot about serial killers; I think the warps of the human mind are >fascinating. My sister used to work with the criminally insane at the Md. >State Prison and some of the stories she'd tell me... make your blood run >real cold. Unfortunately I know what kind of money she was making so it's >not a career choice for me. But I love to read about the sick twisted >things these guys can convince themselves is acceptible. > >I'll be happy to tell more, if anyone wants to hear it. I don't want to >gross out the entire list this early in the morning! > >-patti I say it's a slow morning and quite on topic with the crazy shit going on right now. Tell us a bedtime story Patti! 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 10:32:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98EWTSi021812; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:32:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98EWT1G021805; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:32:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:32:17 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cops on dual sports...(WRX) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6059CA7C.41B47BED.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Opps.... I was thinking the Subaru Impreza WRX. Doh... In a message dated 10/7/2002 7:57:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, macda@XXXXXX writes: > WRX 400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 10:38:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98EcFSi021994; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:38:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98EcEc1021985; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:38:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:38:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Grr. Argh. To: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514DE0@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514DE0@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: >BTW, the bottom of the tank is where condensate (A.K.A. water) collects so >it's a "Good Idea" to run on "RES" occasionally to scavenge the corrosive >stuff. Especially if you drain the carbs occasionally. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 11:29:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98FTgSi022734; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:29:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98FTfCv022722; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:29:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Aki Damme'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: shooting this morning (a serial killer encyclopedia) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:29:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain When I drove through security check this morning they had on the Kevlar vests, the military style. Don't say I blame them. Hope they get him soon. -----Original Message----- From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:57 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: shooting this morning (a serial killer encyclopedia) At 09:51 AM 10/8/2002, Patti Rodgers wrote: > >>Oops... Thanks for the correction. >>What was that other serial > >>killers name.. the night stalker..? > >The Night Stalker was Richard Ramieriez. He's another really scary dude >since he showed hardly any remorse. He got married in prison like three >times. > >There's a lot of serial killers... Green River Killer, Boston Strangler, >Dahmer, Hillside Stranglers, Ed Gein (in my opinion the sickest of all the >sick f%$ks out there) Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, etc. etc. Usually they get >caught because they become careless. Either they leave a victim alive, or >they do something so stupid like running a red light which attracts police >attention to them. Or stop mowing the lawn, which is how the cops first >went to see Ed Gein. > >I know a lot about serial killers; I think the warps of the human mind are >fascinating. My sister used to work with the criminally insane at the Md. >State Prison and some of the stories she'd tell me... make your blood run >real cold. Unfortunately I know what kind of money she was making so it's >not a career choice for me. But I love to read about the sick twisted >things these guys can convince themselves is acceptible. > >I'll be happy to tell more, if anyone wants to hear it. I don't want to >gross out the entire list this early in the morning! > >-patti I say it's a slow morning and quite on topic with the crazy shit going on right now. Tell us a bedtime story Patti! 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 11:32:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98FWuSi022943; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:32:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98FWucn022937; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:32:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Message-ID: <21.256008c9.2ad45498@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:32:40 EDT Subject: Re: Leather Exchange To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 8 I plan to ride my bike more, that's for sure. I haven't even managed 1000 miles yet this year. Pretty sad, huh? I'm also back in school. I hope to be qualified for pahrmacy school in another year. Then I hope I can find one that will let me in! Colleen >Wow! > >Although I only purchased from Colleen once, it was the most positive >motorcycle-related purchase I can recall. Colleen, best of luck to you >in >whatever endeavors you might undertake. > >And to Jay and Lisa......wow again! When will your basement/garage/shop >be >open for business? I will need a new jacket before I head off to >school....got any deals? Make sure to give us the Grand Opening news; I'll > >make sure to send my friends your way! > >:D > >Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 11:45:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98FjSSi023231; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:45:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98FjQlM023215; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:45:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , , "Aki Damme \(E-mail\)" Cc: "'Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: shooting this morning (a serial killer encyclopedia)---Long! sorry! Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:56:37 -0400 Message-ID: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F5020079962@MAINSERVER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F502007AF00@MAINSERVER> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 >>but I thought that most serial killers (at least in the US) were white men. Is >>there any place you know of where I can check that? Try: http://www.crimelibrary.com/ or http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/streiber/273/inf_stats.htm for general serial killer statistics. Most serial killers are in the US and most are white men. Europe is going through a social crisis as the number of active serial killers is way on the rise there, especially in Eastern Europe. In the US the majority of serial killers are on the West coast, with California taking first place. FYI the only prisoner on Texas' Death Row to recieve clemency from our beloved George W Bush was the serial killer, Henry Lee Lucas. Some of the nastier US serial killers (and don't say I didn't warn ya!): There's Ed Gein, who inspired both the "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and "Psycho." He made lampshades out of the skin of his victims, and was the basis of the Buffalo Bill character in "The Silence of the Lambs" in that he was fashioning a coat or dress made of human skin. Truly one of the sickest f*^ks out there. Chilling. He would take certain parts of his female victims' anatomy and stuff them into ladies' panties, often his mom's panties. Then he'd wear them around the house. Freak. He got caught when the local sherrif wanted to check up on him; his farm had gotten pretty run down, and there was a missing woman from town that had last been seen with Gein. When the sherrif came, he found the victim hanging from the rafters on a meathook. He also had a soup bowl made of a skull and a whole lot of other nasty, nasty stuff. Including Ed Gein's deceased mother, who had died of natural causes many years before but Ed had dug her up from her grave and brought her back to the house with him. http://members.tripod.com/eddiegein/id2.htm Albert Fish was the model for the Hannibal Lechter character in "The Silence of the Lambs." He was a truly messed up dude, and guess what? Born right here in DC! He would hire neighborhood children to beat him with a paddle studded with nails till his arse bled; he'd stick nails into every concievable part of his body including under his fingernails, and another place I could guess a guy would normally not want a nail stuck. To discipline his own children he would beat them with a bag of rocks, or a chainsaw wrapped in cloth. He was a child molester but never molested the kids he killed; those he hand-picked, and held captive for weeks. He would feed the kidnapped children really well while he had them in an attempt to fatten them up; then he would slaughter, butcher and eat them. Once he abducted two children at the same time, slaughtered the first, and while dining on it also fed that child to the still live victim. He was caught after he wrote a letter to the parents of one of his victims, which described how he'd roasted the child and which parts were prepared how. He is rumored to have castrated himself in prison, and he was sentenced to the electric chair. Before he was executed he put nails and needles in his body so he would (I guess) get a better jolly, which caused the electrocution to fail; as a result, he got the electric chair twice. http://www.crimelibrary.com/fish/fish/fishmain.htm Henry Lee Lucas killed his alcoholic mother then raped her corpse. This was partially in retaliation for his mother's forcing Henry to watch her prostitute herself when he was a kid, or maybe for sending him to school dressed as a little girl. He did a short prison stint for this and met Ottis Toole while in prison; once released the two began killing first animals, then people. Usually they would molest the corpse after the murder. Even the animals. Henry Lee Lucas married ottis Toole's cousin Becky was 7 or 8 years old, but killed her before she was 15. He dismembered her corpse and buried most of it, but parts of her went into a pillowcase that he carried around with him. He kept her legs. Toole, on the other hand, preferred to cook and eat his victims, often after Lucas had raped their corpses. Together they would dismember their victims, cooking the internal organs to eat and disposing of the rest. Lucas denies the cannibalism (as well as the fact that he and Toole were lovers) and the necrophilia but there's evidence. Together they confessed to over 600 killings, including that of Adam Walsh (son of the guy from America's Most Wanted) but authorities think about 100 victims is more realistic. Anyone care for more? -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 12:20:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98GK3Si023818; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:20:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98GK2pG023810; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:20:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Patti Rodgers" Subject: Re: shooting this morning (a serial killer encyclopedia)---Long! sorry! Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:19:34 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Cc: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" References: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F5020079962@MAINSERVER> In-Reply-To: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F5020079962@MAINSERVER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210081219340B.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mmmm, well I think the picture of the guy (or girl) on the sportbike imbedded in the side and roof of the car posted here a few weeks ago was much worse. I can still picture it. *Brrrr* With these I can be more detached and even think of them in movie terms. Carl On Tuesday 08 October 2002 11:56, Patti Rodgers wrote: > >>but I thought that most serial killers (at least in the US) were white > > men. Is > > >>there any place you know of where I can check that? > > Try: http://www.crimelibrary.com/ or > http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/streiber/273/inf_stats.htm for general > serial killer statistics. > -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 12:32:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98GWvSi024059; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:32:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98GWuhO024047; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:32:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:38:05 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: waterproof momentary contact switches? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone know a source for small (the smaller the better) momentary contact switches that can be used on a bike? And a source for epoxy to waterproof electronics would be good too. Dan -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 12:42:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98GgBSi024301; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:42:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98GgAss024295; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:42:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:42:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200210081242.AA473825566@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: waterproof momentary contact switches? X-Mailer: How small is small? An off-road bike aftermarket kill switch does what you want. That or I'd look at marine sites (like www.westmarine.com) Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: dan Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:38:05 -0400 (EDT) >Anyone know a source for small (the smaller the better) momentary contact >switches that can be used on a bike? And a source for epoxy to >waterproof electronics would be good too. > >Dan > >-- > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 12:47:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98GlNSi024594; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:47:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98GlN5P024582; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:47:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:51:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: waterproof momentary contact switches? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'd try either digikey.com or www.Mouser.com Also, here's a more complete list: http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/supliers.html#surp4 As far as waterproofing -- I'd put it in a box and seal it with either silicone caulk stuff or simply just hot melt glue. Either of those will be much easier to remove than epoxy. Ob Moto -- just got back from 1400+ miles of riding to Vermont and back between Wednesday last week and yesterday. Have a longer trip report in the works, will finish and mail it out later today, I hope. Had one of my best days worth of riding ever on Sunday, between Vermont and New York. On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, dan wrote: > Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:38:05 -0400 (EDT) > From: dan > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: waterproof momentary contact switches? > > Anyone know a source for small (the smaller the better) momentary contact > switches that can be used on a bike? And a source for epoxy to > waterproof electronics would be good too. > > Dan > > -- > > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 12:52:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98GqdSi024748; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:52:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98GqdMb024741; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:52:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DA30CF9.1C6AC0F4@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 12:51:05 -0400 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: waterproof momentary contact switches? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dan wrote: > > Anyone know a source for small (the smaller the better) momentary contact > switches that can be used on a bike? And a source for epoxy to > waterproof electronics would be good too. > > Dan for really small switches and other electrical stuff, check out http://www.digikey.com/ blue skies! Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 15:18:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98JIQSi027985; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:18:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98JIPH6027970; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:18:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021008191818.21474.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:18:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: RE: shooting this morning To: Glenn Dysart , jmstrang@XXXXXX, "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: <20021008130045.8067.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't think it is an AR-15. The first or second shot was a miss. He did not follow up with a second shot. Every shot has been single. I find it hard to believe he missed and with 29 more rounds in a magazine did not try again. It is possible of course. Takes a lot of discipline. Which this guy is showing, but I wonder if it is a bolt gun. The news said they served a warrant on a house and seized several guns. Said the guns did not match and the guy was not a suspect, but they seized his guns anyway. I guess any opportunity to seize guns will be jumped upon. :rolleyes Todd W. --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > With a scope, the AR-15 is very capable of distance > shooting but its VERY noisy. > > Glenn > > --- Jon Strang wrote: > > Yeah, the Post keeps showing AR-15 pictures > because > > they look scary. > > > > Somehow, I don't think the sniper is picking > people > > off with a short-barrel, > > open-sight assault rifle. Think long barrel and > > scope. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 15:57:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98JvYSi028425; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:57:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98JvYeS028417; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:57:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <60.276e3eda.2ad492aa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:57:30 EDT Subject: Re: shooting this morning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/7/2002 7:36:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > It is a good idea to keep our eyes open, look for anything out of > the ordinary. I gotta wonder about that white van theory. A van would suck as a getaway vehicle. _However_ what if the shooter is firing _from_ the van? In that case it could make sense. It would be easy to set up a shooters table or tripod in the back shoot through a slightly open window without putting the barrel through the window and you would have plenty of time, no one could see you. Pad the interior of the van to muffle the sound and it would be damn near impossible to hear where the shot came from. Fire, put the gun down, drive off, never in view. Got two scumbags involved? One drives and as they sit at a traffic light the other one picks out targets of opportunity. (The film shown of the school scene showed it was just down from a stop light.) Damn I hope they catch this fucker(s) soon. Officers on the list, are they looking into that? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 16:06:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98K6wSi028783; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:06:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98K6wfN028773; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:06:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <11d.18636ade.2ad494d0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:06:40 EDT Subject: Re: shooting this morning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/7/2002 11:04:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > Also > he has a scoped rifle. And a Laser sight? Seems to me like one of those would work best at dawn and dusk. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 16:09:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98K9OSi028832; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:09:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98K9O2p028824; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:09:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021008200921.65549.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:09:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: shooting this morning To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <60.276e3eda.2ad492aa@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I believe I heard on the news that the police found a bullet casing on the ground somewhere near the school. Sounds like he's not using the van anymore if that turns out to be the casing involved in the shooting. Of course I suppose the shooter might have just discarded the casing there to throw off police. Chris Weaver --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/7/2002 7:36:53 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > horkster@XXXXXX writes: > > > It is a good idea to keep our eyes open, look for > anything out of > > the ordinary. > > I gotta wonder about that white van theory. A van > would suck as a getaway > vehicle. _However_ what if the shooter is firing > _from_ the van? In that case > it could make sense. It would be easy to set up a > shooters table or tripod in > the back shoot through a slightly open window > without putting the barrel > through the window and you would have plenty of > time, no one could see you. > Pad the interior of the van to muffle the sound and > it would be damn near > impossible to hear where the shot came from. Fire, > put the gun down, drive > off, never in view. > Got two scumbags involved? One drives and as they > sit at a traffic light the > other one picks out targets of opportunity. (The > film shown of the school > scene showed it was just down from a stop light.) > Damn I hope they catch this fucker(s) soon. > > Officers on the list, are they looking into that? > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 16:09:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98K9tSi028972; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:09:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98K9teD028967; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:09:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: shooting this morning Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:08:49 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <016f01c26f06$8492df20$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <11d.18636ade.2ad494d0@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 With a scope, a laser sight is effective in all lighting situations. > -----Original Message----- > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:07 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: shooting this morning > > > In a message dated 10/7/2002 11:04:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > > > Also > > he has a scoped rifle. > > And a Laser sight? Seems to me like one of those would work > best at dawn and > dusk. > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 17:14:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98LEhSi029946; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:14:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98LEgRD029935; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:14:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021008211440.31955.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:14:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Subject: Braking study To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Came across this NHTSA powerpoint presentation comparing braking on motorcycles recently . . . hadn't seen it before. It compares standard brakes, linked brakes (VFR800f) and ABS (R1100RT). Not too in-depth, but interesting nonetheless, especially in the 1999 updates to the Hurt report (though not mentioned by name). Most fascinating is that 42% of fatal accidents still involve alcohol. http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29wgs/wp29grrf/grrfinf/51/grrf5120.ppt Aaron (digested.) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 17:43:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98LhOSi030221; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:43:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98LhOV4030214; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:43:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021008214318.87615.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:43:18 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Braking study To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021008211440.31955.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Most fascinating is that 42% of fatal accidents still > involve alcohol. that alone to me means we should ban bikes at bars!! Confiscatory fines and mandatory blow-tests at the exit of any and all drinking establishments to include every residence. All us bikers must register ourselves to the county as pre-convicted drunk-drivers (ala Tom Cruise' recent flick). Every party and every alchoholic beverage must be logged and it's destination specified so that the cops will be sure to be there with their enforcement duties. All bikes must have non-disableable breath or blood analyzers to go along with their tamper proof jetting and emissions systems. Brave new world, save the children, you are guilty until proven innocent and all that. Abolition wasn't an entirely stupid idea was it... *grin* ===== I'll believe in evolution when you show me 10^50 blind people solving their scrambled Rubik's Cubes simultaneously. -- Sir Fred Hoyle __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 17:52:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98LqjSi030457; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:52:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98Lqjqd030443; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:52:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5238F70@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: metro to BWI Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:53:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anybody ridden the Metro to the last Green Line stop and then caught the bus to BWI? How long does it take? Would it be easier to just drive? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 18:15:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98MFiSi030863; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:15:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98MFhLE030856; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:15:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01c501c26f18$2614f0c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rich Hall" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5238F70@SERVER1> Subject: Re: metro to BWI Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:14:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Hall" > Anybody ridden the Metro to the last Green Line stop and then caught the bus > to BWI? > How long does it take? Would it be easier to just drive? > It's easier to just *ride.* Get my jollies riding to and fro and file an expense report for mileage and parking at the end of the trip. What could be better? :) FWIW, the BWI garage has those silly little "no motorcycles" stickers on the gates. I just go on through. No one has ever hassled me about. I'm a little wary of the experimental system they have for identifying empty spots on certain levels of the garage. I'm not sure it will pick up bikes and I don't want to give John Q. Cager a little "surprise" when he whips into a space expecting it to be empty. For longer trips, I've done the remote parking thang too. The parking attendants usually let me park near their little shacks, to keep a better eye on the bike. As for your other question, the bus runs from Greenbelt. Metro's web site should have a schedule. www.wmata.com The route is B30 (http://wmata.com/timetables/md/b30.pdf) and runs on forty-minute headways and takes thirty minutes from Greenbelt. It's easily the cheapest way to go; much cheaper than the blue vans. MARC trains, forget it. I put the Mother-in-Law on a MARC train from Union Station to BWI once. I'll never hear the end of it. It's not very convenient, especially the bus transfer at the airport. Buses do not meet every train, so you have to wait. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 18:29:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98MThSi031057; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:29:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98MThd9031050; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:29:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Todd Withrow Cc: Glenn Dysart , jmstrang@XXXXXX, "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: shooting this morning Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:35:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20021008130045.8067.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> <20021008191818.21474.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021008191818.21474.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g98MTgSi031038 I saw one news story where they said they did find a shell casing at one of the scenes.. but i have to wonder if they got it wrong and meant to say they actually found a bullet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 18:35:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98MZiSi031236; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:35:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98MZibk031227; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:35:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: shooting this morning (a serial killer encyclopedia) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:41:56 -0400 Message-ID: <5mn6qukqsqu8i6hipvfbaggi24nevft89e@4ax.com> References: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F502007AEE6@MAINSERVER> <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F502007995A@MAINSERVER> In-Reply-To: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F502007995A@MAINSERVER> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g98MZhSi031215 Yea i find it fascinatiing too. I almost forgot about ed gein. I'd like to hear about more. Is there another more appropriate place to post? I guess some list members would mind... ? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 18:49:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98MnMSi031436; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:49:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98MnLc8031425; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:49:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: shooting this morning (a serial killer encyclopedia)---Long! sorry! Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:55:33 -0400 Message-ID: <7io6qu8sgb3ke6eqn77po0rhbp0ofbh0lk@4ax.com> References: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F502007AF00@MAINSERVER> <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F5020079962@MAINSERVER> In-Reply-To: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F5020079962@MAINSERVER> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g98MnKSi031413 yep.. sick and fascinating.. you can tell me more.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 18:55:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98MtdSi031625; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:55:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98Mtd3l031619; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:55:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking study Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:01:51 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20021008211440.31955.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> <20021008214318.87615.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021008214318.87615.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g98MtbSi031602 >Abolition wasn't an entirely stupid idea was it... > >*grin* I think you mean prohibition? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 20:07:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9907xSi032755; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:07:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9907wXB032736; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:07:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007d01c26f27$d0f6d440$26302c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <20021008211440.31955.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> <20021008214318.87615.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Braking study Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:07:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Motor PsychoL Danny" To: "matthew patton" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 7:01 PM Subject: Re: Braking study > >Abolition wasn't an entirely stupid idea was it... > > > >*grin* > > I think you mean prohibition? > And a whole new generation of Al Capones would love a gravy train like that. While Prohibition did curb drinking somewhat, it also enriched a vast criminal underworld. Something the anti-cigarette zealots ought to ponder too before raising ciggy taxes sky high. Beware the law of unintended consequences. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 20:21:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g990LMSi000372; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:21:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g990LMFD000360; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:21:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021009002115.49414.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:21:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: shooting this morning To: Motor PsychoL Danny Cc: Glenn Dysart , jmstrang@XXXXXX, "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From the news reports, the bullet is lodged in the kids chest near his heart. --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > I saw one news story where they said they did find a > shell casing at > one of the scenes.. but i have to wonder if they got > it wrong and > meant to say they actually found a bullet. > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 20:41:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g990fASi000475; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:41:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g990fAUa000469; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:41:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 17:41:06 -0700 From: " Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: Re: shooting this morning Sender: mjordan812@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 199.174.229.201 USA Today keeps saying it's a "High Powered" rifle. Then they say it's a .223. Which is it? The two items above are mutually exclusive. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 20:51:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g990pwSi000558; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:51:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g990pvtU000545; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:51:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DA37D61.F684CC22@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 20:50:41 -0400 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: shooting this morning References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Jordan wrote: > > USA Today keeps saying it's a "High Powered" rifle. > > Then they say it's a .223. > > Which is it? The two items above are mutually exclusive. > > Michael J. the media tells the truth until they talk about a subject you know about. Blue skies! Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 22:06:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99269Si001084; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:06:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g99268cg001074; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:06:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:05:01 -0400 From: Jay Goddard Subject: re: Leather Exchange To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-to: Jay@XXXXXX Message-id: <3DA38ECD.8D45AF1F@boo.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Sean and the rest, We are open nights and weekends to you or anybody else. The ceilings are high but it is kinda tight. I can deal on a few things for you and everybody else. Just send me a email asking about a particular item and I will see what I can do. As for you Sean got any more FZR tires? I will take very good care of you. I want to keep your giving hands and big mouth happy ;-) -- Thanks!! Jay Goddard 1990 RC30, 1994 KDX200 1996 ZX-11, 1992 FZR600 1995 VFR750F 301-340-0886 Jay@XXXXXX www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 21:54:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: re: Leather Exchange Cc: motorLE@XXXXXX Wow! Although I only purchased from Colleen once, it was the most positive motorcycle-related purchase I can recall. Colleen, best of luck to you in whatever endeavors you might undertake. And to Jay and Lisa......wow again! When will your basement/garage/shop be open for business? I will need a new jacket before I head off to school....got any deals? Make sure to give us the Grand Opening news; I'll make sure to send my friends your way! :D Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 23:02:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9932wSi001516; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:02:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9932wOG001512; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:02:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:02:49 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: old standard "HELP!" To: jmstrang@XXXXXX Cc: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Message-id: <3DA39C59.CA3F28D2@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <003601c26ec5$3d629a00$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Jon Strang wrote: > Short of relocating the blinkers, what do old standard-riders do for > saddlebags? Sorry, can't help. I ended up relocating my rear turn signals on the old KZ 1000 LTD in order to use saddlebags. They were in exactly the wrong spot for me, too. Good luck, Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 8 23:21:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g993L2Si001668; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:21:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g993L1Qp001651; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:21:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:21:01 -0400 Subject: Re: metro to BWI To: RichH@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5238F70@SERVER1> In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5238F70@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Metro, whatever else is wrong with it, has a great website----times, suggested routes, costs, what-ifs---all well-laid out and organized. Btw, the bus I was on from greenbelt to bwi had extra space for luggage. RichH@XXXXXX writes: >Anybody ridden the Metro to the last Green Line stop and then caught the >bus >to BWI? >How long does it take? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 02:35:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g996ZLSi002934; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 02:35:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g996ZIZT002915; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 02:35:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Paul Wilson" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: OT taxes and prohibition was braking study Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 02:41:34 -0400 Message-ID: <60j7quof2imoci74b3m37p93b0scee1d8n@4ax.com> References: <20021008211440.31955.qmail@web11306.mail.yahoo.com> <20021008214318.87615.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> <007d01c26f27$d0f6d440$26302c42@D7XFG711> In-Reply-To: <007d01c26f27$d0f6d440$26302c42@D7XFG711> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g996ZHSi002903 Funny thing is... yesterday I went over to a friends house in a not so good neighborhood and a guy yelled out :"mainman I got boxes of newports for $4". I had to wonder how much cigarettes must cost now... The same prohibition type of laws created the similiar underworld of coicane and other harsh drugs. We'd all be better off if the gov't had controlled environments of drug usage and distrobution. I mean the gov't doesn't seem to be trying to, or be able to, stop drug usuage. The gov't could reap the profits and street gangs wouldn't be funded by drug money. The street drug dealers wouldn't be hording money only to be robbed and killed by other thugs. The street gangs and individuals woudln't be killing each other of drug sales territory. Street thugs couldnt' sell drugs to make a few hundred bucks and buy guns which may end up in citizen robberies. Drug addicts could buy and use drugs in a safe controlled environment. How much money is wasted per year from badly beat up drug addicts recieving hospital treatment because of ignorant street thugs? We can tax speeders with speed cameras but we can't tax drug users (and circumvent drug dealers), both of whom who cost society money via crime or hospitalization? Hell we could also register the drug addicts too.. then whenever a burglary happens, gain a list of all the drug addicts who live close by, and see who has a rap sheet for burglary... eventually making police work easier too. The gov't could raise the penalties for street drug dealers, and eliminate the competition. With the drug market seemingly not declining, one has to ask.. does the gov't really have a war on drugs? not to mention that drug money funds terrorists and other foriegn political enemies to the US. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 02:39:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g996doSi002973; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 02:39:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g996doTF002967; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 02:39:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Patti Rodgers" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: shooting this morning (a serial killer encyclopedia) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 02:46:06 -0400 Message-ID: References: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F502007AEE6@MAINSERVER> <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F502007995A@MAINSERVER> <5mn6qukqsqu8i6hipvfbaggi24nevft89e@4ax.com> <000401c26f3f$c7ba8df0$0290a0ac@ticostat.com> In-Reply-To: <000401c26f3f$c7ba8df0$0290a0ac@ticostat.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g996dnSi002955 Yes, it's amazing that these people exist. I'm starting to think this new shooter may not be the typical white male serial killer. I'm starting to think "the typical serial killer is white" is false. I think the typical captured/discovered serial killer is white. Who knows what goes on beyond being linked (or discovered). What was the name of the serial killer who used to hop the freight trains and kill near by? Also wonder what the signifigance was, of the single out of state VA shooting.. and why THAT middle school? did the killer used to go there? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 07:40:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99BexSi005252; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:40:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g99BewsH005235; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:40:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: , Subject: RE: shooting this morning Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:39:43 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <01a301c26f88$91f36cc0$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Not really. A varmit gun (small caliper) can be high powered. High power usually refers to the velocity of the bullet which is usually a direct relationship to the amount of powder used to shoot the shell. The caliper is the diameter of the bullet. Same thing with the "Magnum" shells. Not any bigger of a bullet, just more powder... -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: mjordan812@XXXXXX [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:41 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: shooting this morning > > > USA Today keeps saying it's a "High Powered" rifle. > > Then they say it's a .223. > > Which is it? The two items above are mutually exclusive. > > Michael J. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 07:46:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99Bk8Si005304; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:46:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g99Bk76T005294; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:46:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-ID: <00a501c26f89$2cd144b0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: <01a301c26f88$91f36cc0$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> Subject: Re: shooting this morning Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:43:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Why do they say it's a rifle? A T/C Contender (pistol) can be had in .223 and with a scope it's just as accurate. It is also more portable/concealable. Maybe with the shell casing they recovered they can tell it was ejected from something semi-auto, but even before that they were touting it was a rifle. They need to broaden their thinking. Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 08:26:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99CQOSi005963; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:26:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g99CQNtT005950; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:26:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:26:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200210090826.AA118685776@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Aaron Subject: Hurt report update [was: Re: Braking study X-Mailer: A Hurt report update? Got any more information on that? thanks, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Aaron Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:14:40 -0700 (PDT) >Came across this NHTSA powerpoint presentation >comparing braking on motorcycles recently . . . hadn't >seen it before. It compares standard brakes, linked >brakes (VFR800f) and ABS (R1100RT). Not too in-depth, >but interesting nonetheless, especially in the 1999 >updates to the Hurt report (though not mentioned by >name). > >Most fascinating is that 42% of fatal accidents still >involve alcohol. > > >http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29wgs/wp29grrf/grrfinf/51/grrf5120.ppt > >Aaron > >(digested.) > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More >http://faith.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 09:13:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99DDdSi006517; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:13:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g99DDbIg006498; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:13:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514DFF@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'garcia oliver'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Grr. Argh. Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:13:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain To my, "BTW, the bottom of the tank is where condensate (A.K.A. water) collects so > >it's a "Good Idea" to run on "RES" occasionally to scavenge the corrosive > >stuff." Garcia graciously opined, "Especially if you drain the carbs occasionally. > --garcia" > [Custer, Carl] Yes, or interpose a Fram G-2 fuel filter (Beeg, clear, and cheep: ~$2.00 W-M) twixt the tank and carbs to catch the ikky poo. Carl in Bethesda (Beeg, opaque, an cheep) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 10:19:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99EJjSi007625; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:19:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g99EJhDq007606; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:19:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:19:40 -0700 From: " Michael Jordan" To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: RE: shooting this morning Sender: mjordan812@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 198.241.217.3 > Not really. A varmit gun (small caliper) can > be high powered. High > power usually refers to the velocity of the > bullet which is usually a > direct relationship to the amount of powder > used to shoot the shell. > The caliper is the diameter of the bullet. > Same thing with the "Magnum" > shells. Not any bigger of a bullet, just more > powder... > > -Jim > > > USA Today keeps saying it's a "High Powered" > rifle. > > > > Then they say it's a .223. > > > > Which is it? The two items above are mutually > exclusive. > > > > Michael J. > > I beg to differ, Sir. "High Powered" is a relative thing (to prove their point, USA Today (today) compared a .223 to a .22 rimfire cartridge). "High Powered" rifles tend to start around 30-06 and up. Officially, the NATO 5.56mm cartridge (.223) is classified as a "medium powered" round. What I would like to know is how they can be sure that it is a .223 cartridge. ALL .22 caliber centerfires (.221, .223, 22-250, 220 Swift, etc., etc.) use a .224" diameter bullet. The caliber determination occurs when the bullet is stuffed into a case. Now, if they have a casing, that's a sifferent story. If they do have a casing, that would tend to point to an autoloader rather than a manual action. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 10:20:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99EK2Si007656; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:20:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g99EK1SJ007651; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:20:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514E02@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'jmstrang@XXXXXX'" Subject: old standard "HELP!" Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:20:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Jon Strang claimed, "My roommate has a 1983 KZ750 LTD . . . He's trying to get some soft saddlebags. The . . . rear blinkers . . . are right where saddlebags oughta be. The 'universal' fit Teknics I have expect a modern-ish bike, with the blinkers quite a bit farther to the rear. If we try to put them on his bike in front of the blinkers, the bags are way too far forward. If we try to get the bags under the blinkers, they are way too far down. Short of relocating the blinkers, what do old standard-riders do for saddlebags? I've already told him to go to Coleman's, "try on" what they have in stock, and write down what (if anything) fits. Any other ideas?" Tecknics bags work wonderfully on my Sabre --but -- I too tried them on for "fit" but, at Cycle Accessories. Relocating the blinkers may be the easiest way. Takes about an hour, maybe two if you're finicky. Get a strip of 1" X 1/16" Aluminum at Home Despot/Lowes works fine (1/8" if you're particular.) Snag a pair of 8 -10 mm (or 3/8") bolts, washers and nylon insert nutz while you're there. (wouldn't hurt to measure the diameter of the mounting bolt/threaded tube on the signals) FWIW: Measure how much rear-set you need with a stick (or twig) transfer to the metal, add ~30 - 60 mm for 15 - 30 mm space beyond the outer holes. Check to see if you have enough wire to reach the new loci. Saw off two strips. (Belt sander makes a dandy corner rounder.) Punch and drill: bolt holes, locator pin holes, wire holes(?- depends on design; most run wires thru a threaded 9-10 mm tube). For new locator pins use finishing nails, ball point pen inserts, or real pins from the hardware store. Bolt it all together. Be happy. Carl (Believes he ain't an avid hunter; real hunters eat what they kill.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 13:17:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99HH6O7003904; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:17:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g99HH3xc003891; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:17:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200210091717.NAA18828@boo-mda02.boo.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: paging George Cole Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:17:01 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 Can you give me a shout off list? Lisa --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 13:56:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99HuhO7004437; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:56:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g99Hugxe004433; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:56:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021009175635.2331.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:56:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: RE: shooting this morning To: mjordan812@XXXXXX, jmcgonigle@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Michael Jordan wrote: >> Now, if they have a casing, that's a sifferent > story. If they do have a > casing, that would tend to point to an autoloader > rather than a manual action. > > Michael J. > Unless he was stressed and out of habit worked the action. Of course on the other hand, if he left a Tarot card as a challenge, he could also have intentionally left the casing to toy with the police. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 14:40:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99IekO7004887; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:40:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g99Iek29004880; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:40:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021009142929.00b36e38@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:40:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Product Review - JCW Motorcycle Cover Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I thought I'd drop a note on a recent order from JCW. About two weeks ago I ordered a *very* cheap, (as in price), motorcycle cover from JCW. As we all know, JCW's products are really hit or miss. I received the cover last week and have had some time to look it over and formulate some comments. You can see the cover at the following URL: http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=194907&BQ=mot I ordered the larger size, ($27.99), since I wanted to be sure that the cover would cover the entire bike when used. The cover is made of a medium heavy nylon material and comes with bungee hooks that connect to reinforced plastic eyelets at the bottom of the cover. IIRC, there are two of these connects, one towards the front and one towards the rear of the bike. It's used to secure the cover so that it doesn't get blow off during high winds. It does not have an elastic band around the bottom of the cover, which I like because it's easier to take on and off IMHO. It does have a "V" shaped vent with a cover over it to prevent condensation and is semi-water proof. If you've ever touched a parachute, it's about 4 times as thick as one. I can honestly say that this cover is *much* better quality than the gen-u-wine HD cover I purchased at Patriot HD for $85. The size is just right for my bike as well (01 Wide Glide). It completely covers the front and rear tires with room to spare. The cover reaches almost to the ground, so if I install my detachable windshield, there'll still be plenty of room to still cover the bike. All in all I'm very happy with the cover. It came with the two bungee hooks as well as a carry bag that has a velcro strap attached to it so that you can attach it to the back of your backrest if you so desire. For $27 bucks (and s/h, making it close to $50 total), it was a VERY good deal. I'd recommend it to anyone looking for a good quality cover at a steal of a price. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 14:48:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99ImGO7004945; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:48:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g99ImFVJ004938; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:48:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021009143648.00a13bd0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:37:47 -0400 To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Product Review - JCW Motorcycle Cover In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021009142929.00b36e38@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed My only question as always is how does it handle with hot engines/exhausts? I want to get a cover but not if it's going to melt onto the bike when I get to work. Carl At 02:40 PM 10/9/02 -0400, Aki Damme wrote: >I thought I'd drop a note on a recent order from JCW. About two weeks >ago I ordered a *very* cheap, (as in price), motorcycle cover from JCW. > >As we all know, JCW's products are really hit or miss. I received the >cover last week and have had some time to look it over and formulate >some comments. > >You can see the cover at the following URL: > >http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=194907&BQ=mot > >I ordered the larger size, ($27.99), since I wanted to be sure that the >cover would cover the entire bike when used. > >The cover is made of a medium heavy nylon material and comes with bungee >hooks that connect to reinforced plastic eyelets at the bottom of the >cover. IIRC, >there are two of these connects, one towards the front and one towards the >rear >of the bike. It's used to secure the cover so that it doesn't get blow >off during >high winds. It does not have an elastic band around the bottom of the cover, > which I like because it's easier to take on and off IMHO. It does have a > "V" shaped >vent with a cover over it to prevent condensation and is semi-water >proof. If you've >ever touched a parachute, it's about 4 times as thick as one. > >I can honestly say that this cover is *much* better quality than the >gen-u-wine >HD cover I purchased at Patriot HD for $85. The size is just right for my >bike as well (01 Wide Glide). It completely covers the front and rear >tires with >room to spare. The cover reaches almost to the ground, so if I install my >detachable >windshield, there'll still be plenty of room to still cover the bike. > >All in all I'm very happy with the cover. It came with the two bungee >hooks as well as >a carry bag that has a velcro strap attached to it so that you can attach >it to the back of >your backrest if you so desire. > >For $27 bucks (and s/h, making it close to $50 total), it was a VERY good >deal. I'd >recommend it to anyone looking for a good quality cover at a steal of a price. > >cheers, >-aki > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 14:59:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99IxWO7005050; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:59:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g99IxWBj005046; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:59:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021009145849.01e36a88@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:59:23 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Product Review - JCW Motorcycle Cover In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021009143648.00a13bd0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20021009142929.00b36e38@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:37 PM 10/9/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: >My only question as always is how does it handle with hot >engines/exhausts? I want to get a cover but not if it's going to melt onto >the bike when I get to work. > >Carl I had no problem putting the cover on my bike right after a long ride. The bottom portion of the cover is all heat resistant. -aki >At 02:40 PM 10/9/02 -0400, Aki Damme wrote: > >>I thought I'd drop a note on a recent order from JCW. About two weeks >>ago I ordered a *very* cheap, (as in price), motorcycle cover from JCW. >> >>As we all know, JCW's products are really hit or miss. I received the >>cover last week and have had some time to look it over and formulate >>some comments. >> >>You can see the cover at the following URL: >> >>http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=194907&BQ=mot >> >>I ordered the larger size, ($27.99), since I wanted to be sure that the >>cover would cover the entire bike when used. >> >>The cover is made of a medium heavy nylon material and comes with bungee >>hooks that connect to reinforced plastic eyelets at the bottom of the >>cover. IIRC, >>there are two of these connects, one towards the front and one towards >>the rear >>of the bike. It's used to secure the cover so that it doesn't get blow >>off during >>high winds. It does not have an elastic band around the bottom of the cover, >> which I like because it's easier to take on and off IMHO. It does have >> a "V" shaped >>vent with a cover over it to prevent condensation and is semi-water >>proof. If you've >>ever touched a parachute, it's about 4 times as thick as one. >> >>I can honestly say that this cover is *much* better quality than the >>gen-u-wine >>HD cover I purchased at Patriot HD for $85. The size is just right for my >>bike as well (01 Wide Glide). It completely covers the front and rear >>tires with >>room to spare. The cover reaches almost to the ground, so if I install >>my detachable >>windshield, there'll still be plenty of room to still cover the bike. >> >>All in all I'm very happy with the cover. It came with the two bungee >>hooks as well as >>a carry bag that has a velcro strap attached to it so that you can attach >>it to the back of >>your backrest if you so desire. >> >>For $27 bucks (and s/h, making it close to $50 total), it was a VERY good >>deal. I'd >>recommend it to anyone looking for a good quality cover at a steal of a >>price. >> >>cheers, >>-aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 14:59:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99IxYO7005086; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:59:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g99IxYQb005081; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:59:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DA47A7B.4070400@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:50:35 -0400 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Product Review - JCW Motorcycle Cover References: <5.1.1.5.2.20021009142929.00b36e38@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like a re-wrapped Ducow cover to me. Tom de '98 VTR Aki Damme wrote: > > I thought I'd drop a note on a recent order from JCW. About two weeks > ago I ordered a *very* cheap, (as in price), motorcycle cover from JCW. > > As we all know, JCW's products are really hit or miss. I received the > cover last week and have had some time to look it over and formulate > some comments. > > You can see the cover at the following URL: > > http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=194907&BQ=mot > > I ordered the larger size, ($27.99), since I wanted to be sure that the > cover would cover the entire bike when used. > > The cover is made of a medium heavy nylon material and comes with bungee > hooks that connect to reinforced plastic eyelets at the bottom of the > cover. IIRC, > there are two of these connects, one towards the front and one towards > the rear > of the bike. It's used to secure the cover so that it doesn't get > blow off during > high winds. It does not have an elastic band around the bottom of the > cover, > which I like because it's easier to take on and off IMHO. It does > have a "V" shaped > vent with a cover over it to prevent condensation and is semi-water > proof. If you've > ever touched a parachute, it's about 4 times as thick as one. > > I can honestly say that this cover is *much* better quality than the > gen-u-wine > HD cover I purchased at Patriot HD for $85. The size is just right > for my > bike as well (01 Wide Glide). It completely covers the front and rear > tires with > room to spare. The cover reaches almost to the ground, so if I > install my detachable > windshield, there'll still be plenty of room to still cover the bike. > > All in all I'm very happy with the cover. It came with the two bungee > hooks as well as > a carry bag that has a velcro strap attached to it so that you can > attach it to the back of > your backrest if you so desire. > > For $27 bucks (and s/h, making it close to $50 total), it was a VERY > good deal. I'd > recommend it to anyone looking for a good quality cover at a steal of > a price. > > cheers, > -aki > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 15:09:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99J9cO7005189; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:09:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g99J9b88005184; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:09:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021009144044.01e1f3b8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 15:09:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Wife went to court - some observations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed To add to a recent discussion on "dressing the part" for a court appearance we had recently: Last Monday, my wife Jen and I went to Fairfax District Traffic Court to contest a ticket she received about a month ago on the Fairfax County Parkway. Long story short, she was in a merge lane that wasn't clearly marked and she sped up to get in front of the traffic before the lane ended. In doing so, a radar trap indicated she had gone 64 in a 50mph zone. After hearing her story the (female) judge agreed that the conditions warranted special consideration and reduced the charge to "defective equipment", dropped the fine and only charged her for the court charges ($45). Additionally, the "defective equipment" charge was not being forwarded to DMV to be added to her record. I should mention also that she had called DOT to recommend arrows be painted, which they DID after she called, and she brought pictures to prove this. The police officer admitted that there were no arrows at the date of the infraction. Homework and follow up helps a lot. So, it was definitely productive to go to court and fight this one. Because she was pretty down the list for the days docket, we had the opportunity to observe how other cases were handled and how other people presented themselves. Some observations: 1. Almost *everyone* that came in, addressed the judge as "Your Honor" and not "Miss" or "You", or "Ma'am" and clearly stated their case *and* had a plus 5 point driving record either got their charge reduced or dismissed. 2. Judges don't like jokes. Don't tell them or make fun of the system. 3. Talking bad about the officer that wrote the ticket guarantees you won't get the ticket reduced. 4. If the officer couldn't remember even the most minor of details, the judge dismissed the case. 5. Don't lean or lay on the podium, major demerit points for that. 6. If you dressed like you just mowed the lawn, you could not only see the disdain on the judges face, but her decision usually reflected that. 7. You don't have to dress for the opera but dress cleanly and show respect. It goes a LONG way in getting sympathy from the court. 8. Remember to turn off your pager and/or phone. The judge remembers who doesn't when it goes off. 9. The judge was blonde. Some middle-eastern guy told a dumb blonde joke. It didn't go over well. I have NO idea what he thought that was going to do for him. He got nailed for the full charge *and* got a lecture he won't soon forget. 10. If the cop reduces the speed on the ticket, be careful fighting it. If you don't have a strong case, and you make an ass of yourself, the judge may change the speed to the actual speed as witnessed by the officer. 11. Get a printout of your driving record before going in. And bring your drivers license. The judge may ask to see both. 12. If your license is suspended, do NOT tell the judge that your "friend" drove you in yet isn't in the courtroom to vouch for it. 13. If the judge suggests you get a lawyer and reschedule the court date, take that as a STRONG hint that you need one. Heed the judges advice. 14. If you disobey a traffic sign in YOUR neighborhood and the sign is relatively new, the judge may dismiss the case. Reason being is that most people are so familiar with their own area that they may not notice a new sign that just went up. Odd, but I saw at least half a dozen cases dismissed because of this. If you're in an unfamiliar area, this excuse didn't usually work. 15. Small chinese men can stop on a busy highway for no apparent reason AND BACK UP GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION FOR MORE THAN 100 FEET and *still* get the case dismissed. 16. Being called out from a retaining cell in full prison garb doesn't make for a strong case that you "didn't do anything wrong". 17. If you can't wear nice clothes, at least comb your hair and don't go to sleep and snore. 18. You can plea that you're guilty, not guilty or no contest. There is no plea such as "All this is bullshit..uh, Your Honor, Ma'am, Miss..whatever." There's more but my head hurts now. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 15:10:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99JAEO7005242; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:10:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g99JAEDG005229; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:10:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021009191001.30109.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Product Review - JCW Motorcycle Cover To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021009142929.00b36e38@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Aki Damme wrote: > > I thought I'd drop a note on a recent order from JCW. > About two weeks > ago I ordered a *very* cheap, (as in price), motorcycle > cover from JCW. > For $27 bucks (and s/h, making it close to $50 total) $23 for shipping and handling? bend over and SQUEAL, aki.... JC himself is hittin' that thang! ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 15:16:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99JGBO7005300; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:16:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g99JGA4P005295; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:16:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021009151505.01e49540@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 15:16:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Product Review - JCW Motorcycle Cover In-Reply-To: <20021009191001.30109.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20021009142929.00b36e38@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:10 PM 10/9/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Aki Damme wrote: > > > > I thought I'd drop a note on a recent order from JCW. > > About two weeks > > ago I ordered a *very* cheap, (as in price), motorcycle > > cover from JCW. > > > > > > For $27 bucks (and s/h, making it close to $50 total) > >$23 for shipping and handling? bend over and SQUEAL, >aki.... JC himself is hittin' that thang! ;) whoops!!!!! Thanks for catching that! Damn! Here's a cut and paste of the confirmation email from them: Merchandise Total: US $27.99 Shipping: US $9.95 Tax: US $0.00 Total: US $37.94 thanks again for catching that. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 15:23:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99JNbO7005380; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:23:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g99JNbDg005369; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:23:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Aki Damme Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wife went to court - some observations Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 15:30:00 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5.1.1.5.2.20021009144044.01e1f3b8@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021009144044.01e1f3b8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g99JNaO7005357 ROTFL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 15:33:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99JXWO7005450; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:33:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g99JXVwD005444; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:33:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 15:33:22 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Product Review - JCW Motorcycle Cover MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0ED64D1B.47308069.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That total doesn't quite sound right. You paid $22 S&H on a $28 piece of merchandise which weighs how much? Scooter In a message dated 10/9/2002 1:40:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > > > You can see the cover at the following URL: > > http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=194907&BQ=mot > > I ordered the larger size, ($27.99), since I wanted to be sure that the > cover would cover the entire bike when used. > > > > For $27 bucks (and s/h, making it close to $50 total), it was a VERY good > deal. I'd > recommend it to anyone looking for a good quality cover at > a steal of a price. > > cheers, > -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 20:04:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9A04KO7009097; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:04:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9A04JlL009085; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:04:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Michael H. Moore" To: Subject: Paranoia Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:14:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0ED64D1B.47308069.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Apparently-From: MWalkerHound@XXXXXX Okay, I think the recent events have made me a bit paranoid. Today while I was working in my front yard, I noticed a dodge ram van park across the street. After a few minutes I realized that nobody ever got out of the van. So, being the nosey person I am, I started trying to get a good look at the guy, and took down his license plate. After a few minutes of me stalking him, he started the van up and drove away. I jumped in the trusty sunbird, and followed him from a distance. He went to the elementary school around the corner from us and parked there. It seemed weird, so I went home and called the cops. While I was talking to them he came back and parked across the street from me again. So while I'm waiting for the police to come, one of my neighbors came home. She walked up to his van and he got out, and they walked inside together. I guess the guy was just a contractor waiting for the neighbors to get home. A few minutes later the police showed up in a couple cars and blocked his van in from both sides. I bet he was surprised when he saw his van surrounded by police cars! mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 9 20:08:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9A08OO7009254; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:08:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9A08NX9009247; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:08:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:08:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Paranoia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Michael H. Moore wrote: > I jumped in the trusty sunbird, and followed him from a distance. "Trusty Sunbird" is a contradiction in terms. Mine, f'rinstance, is about to launch its tranny out through the hood and into oncoming traffic. 'Bout time it put itself out of its misery. Pathetic little thing, russum frussum. Cage frustrations aside, I'd imagine that drivers of white work vans are having a particularly rough week... Fish. fed up with gm cars From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 07:35:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ABZSO7013223; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:35:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ABZRkD013204; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:35:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'mhmoore@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Paranoia Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:35:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain I think a lot of people just minding there own business are going to get the cops called on them for nothing. It is one thing to notice a odd truck parked across the street. I would worry too. It is another to follow someone. Let the cops do there job. Just my .02. -----Original Message----- From: Michael H. Moore [mailto:mhmoore@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:15 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Paranoia Okay, I think the recent events have made me a bit paranoid. Today while I was working in my front yard, I noticed a dodge ram van park across the street. After a few minutes I realized that nobody ever got out of the van. So, being the nosey person I am, I started trying to get a good look at the guy, and took down his license plate. After a few minutes of me stalking him, he started the van up and drove away. I jumped in the trusty sunbird, and followed him from a distance. He went to the elementary school around the corner from us and parked there. It seemed weird, so I went home and called the cops. While I was talking to them he came back and parked across the street from me again. So while I'm waiting for the police to come, one of my neighbors came home. She walked up to his van and he got out, and they walked inside together. I guess the guy was just a contractor waiting for the neighbors to get home. A few minutes later the police showed up in a couple cars and blocked his van in from both sides. I bet he was surprised when he saw his van surrounded by police cars! mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 09:52:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ADqaO7014041; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:52:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ADqYiZ014025; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:52:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: J.C. Whitney and company Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:52:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2002 13:52:27.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[44F8ED00:01C27064] Believe it or not... despite your preconceived notions, JCW maintains a pretty good standard of quality. How else would they stay in business so long! A few years ago I purchased a replacement convertable top for a capri I had. Guess what...nice quality, very nice price and 100% guaranteed FREE replacement for as long as I had the car. I bought a MC windscreen from them for a competative price. Nice quality. I even had a problem on their website... screwed up an order and it was painless to rectify. So I have only had positive experiences with them. If you live out in the boondocks (I used to live in Wyoming) JCW really comes in handy. Living around the DC area... you might not feel the need to online shop...but I have to say, I would rather online shop than spend an entire day running around town looking for an item that I could purchase in 5 minutes online. They have a street bike catalog/website and a HD catalog/website ATV etc... Later Never meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 10:19:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AEJcO7014302; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:19:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AEJcrk014296; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:19:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <69.2ea2d2f1.2ad6e669@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:19:21 EDT Subject: Re: Grr. Argh. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/9/2002 9:13:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: > Garcia graciously opined, > "Especially if you drain the carbs occasionally. > > --garcia" > > > [Custer, Carl] > Yes, or interpose a Fram G-2 fuel filter (Beeg, clear, and cheep: > ~$2.00 W-M) twixt the tank and carbs to catch the ikky poo. > Carl in Bethesda (Beeg, opaque, an cheep) > There will be a water and gunk filter in your bike already. Check your owners manual for cleaning information. (It used to be there, I can only hope it still is, if not someone should be able to tell you.) If you do use an aftermarket filter use a _big_ one, the little aftermarket ones can be too small to allow proper fuel flow under high demand, even if they allow enough at first as they get dirty they can impede flow. (I have seen 400cc bikes starve for fuel because of these filters.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 11:34:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AFY6O7014855; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:34:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AFY3CI014839; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:34:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021010113134.0222d510@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:33:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Manassas Man in MC Chase hits cop on FCP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Oct 10, 2002 Manassas man dies in police chase BY KEITH WALKER kwalker@XXXXXX A 28-year-old Manassas man died in a motorcycle accident at about 3 p.m. Monday during a police chase in Fairfax County, said a recent police department press release. Police said Chekandio Williams, of 7400 Barbados Lane, died after he hit a Fairfax police officer who was writing a ticket on the shoulder of Fairfax County Parkway. Williams was eluding another officer at the time of the accident, police said. Officer Timothy Judd tried to stop Williams, who was speeding south on the Fairfax County Parkway toward the Burke Centre Parkway, the release said. Police said Williams refused to stop, made a U-Turn on Fairfax County Parkway and headed north. Williams drove the 2002 Yamaha motorcycle to the shoulder of the parkway just north of Nomes Court, where Fairfax police Officer Kevin Turney was issuing a summons to the driver of a Ford Escape, the release said. Williams hit Turney with the motorcycle, then slammed into the back of the Ford SUV, the release said. Turney was taken by helicopter to Inova Fairfax Hospital and was treated for serious, but non-life-threatening injuries. Williams was pronounced dead at the scene, the release said. Staff writer Keith Walker can be reached at (703) 878-8063. [MT : This can't be good for motorcyclists in Fairfax] ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 11:36:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AFatO7014891; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:36:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AFasne014883; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:36:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: Manassas Man in MC Chase hits cop on FCP Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:36:50 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <008201c27072$da66fb80$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021010113134.0222d510@mail.wheatintl.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal What a jackass. It's a shame Darwin can't weed them out earlier, before they buy a motorcycle. -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:34 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Manassas Man in MC Chase hits cop on FCP > > > Oct 10, 2002 > Manassas man dies in police chase > > BY KEITH WALKER > kwalker@XXXXXX > > A 28-year-old Manassas man died in a motorcycle accident at > about 3 p.m. > Monday during a police chase in Fairfax County, said a recent police > department press release. > > Police said Chekandio Williams, of 7400 Barbados Lane, died > after he hit a > Fairfax police officer who was writing a ticket on the > shoulder of Fairfax > County Parkway. > Williams was eluding another officer at the time of the > accident, police said. > > Officer Timothy Judd tried to stop Williams, who was speeding > south on the > Fairfax County Parkway toward the Burke Centre Parkway, the > release said. > Police said Williams refused to stop, made a U-Turn on Fairfax County > Parkway and headed north. > > Williams drove the 2002 Yamaha motorcycle to the shoulder of > the parkway > just north of Nomes Court, where Fairfax police Officer Kevin > Turney was > issuing a summons to the driver of a Ford Escape, the release said. > > Williams hit Turney with the motorcycle, then slammed into > the back of the > Ford SUV, the release said. > > Turney was taken by helicopter to Inova Fairfax Hospital and > was treated > for serious, but non-life-threatening injuries. Williams was > pronounced > dead at the scene, the release said. > > Staff writer Keith Walker can be reached at (703) 878-8063. > > [MT : This can't be good for motorcyclists in Fairfax] > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 11:40:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AFehO7014945; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:40:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AFehNp014939; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:40:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021010114043.009f4200@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:40:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Harley Humor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.cycletownusa.com/HarleyInetcycletown.htm Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 11:44:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AFi2O7015087; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:44:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AFi2MK015078; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:44:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'jmcgonigle@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Manassas Man in MC Chase hits cop on FCP Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:43:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain I totally agree with that. Some people are dumb just plan dumb. -----Original Message----- From: Jim McGonigle [mailto:jmcgonigle@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:37 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Manassas Man in MC Chase hits cop on FCP What a jackass. It's a shame Darwin can't weed them out earlier, before they buy a motorcycle. -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:34 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Manassas Man in MC Chase hits cop on FCP > > > Oct 10, 2002 > Manassas man dies in police chase > > BY KEITH WALKER > kwalker@XXXXXX > > A 28-year-old Manassas man died in a motorcycle accident at > about 3 p.m. > Monday during a police chase in Fairfax County, said a recent police > department press release. > > Police said Chekandio Williams, of 7400 Barbados Lane, died > after he hit a > Fairfax police officer who was writing a ticket on the > shoulder of Fairfax > County Parkway. > Williams was eluding another officer at the time of the > accident, police said. > > Officer Timothy Judd tried to stop Williams, who was speeding > south on the > Fairfax County Parkway toward the Burke Centre Parkway, the > release said. > Police said Williams refused to stop, made a U-Turn on Fairfax County > Parkway and headed north. > > Williams drove the 2002 Yamaha motorcycle to the shoulder of > the parkway > just north of Nomes Court, where Fairfax police Officer Kevin > Turney was > issuing a summons to the driver of a Ford Escape, the release said. > > Williams hit Turney with the motorcycle, then slammed into > the back of the > Ford SUV, the release said. > > Turney was taken by helicopter to Inova Fairfax Hospital and > was treated > for serious, but non-life-threatening injuries. Williams was > pronounced > dead at the scene, the release said. > > Staff writer Keith Walker can be reached at (703) 878-8063. > > [MT : This can't be good for motorcyclists in Fairfax] > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 11:47:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AFloO7015144; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:47:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AFloBY015136; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:47:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021010154747.4466.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:47:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: OT: more excel help To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021010113134.0222d510@mail.wheatintl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'm trying to write a formula for a cell in excel. i've been using a "logical" formula but now i need to add additional conditions. should i be "nesting" the functions in the formula box? here's the jist of my situation: if the value in A1 is greater than or equal to 10,300,000, then the value of B1 should be 500,000 if the value in A1 is greater than 5,300,000 but less than 10,300,000, then the value in B1 should be A1*0.10 UP TO A MAXIMUM of 500,000 if the value in A1 is less than 5,300,000, then the value in B1 should be 0 this would probably take me hours to figure out using the help index __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 14:04:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AI4wO7016110; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:04:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AI4m9B016091; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:04:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021010180446.63065.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Parking Permits in DC for motorcycles??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Earlier this week I received a parking ticket ($20) for parking in a residential area w/o a permit. On my block, no less!!! Now, when I first registered a bike in DC in Sept. 2001, I asked for a permit and was told that the dmv didn't issue permits to bikes, and that bikes could park in any residential area w/o a permit. And of course, until this week, I've never gotten a ticket for not having a permit. So what's the deal. Do other people w/ DC registered bikes have parking permits, or was this meter maid ignorant of the law/policy re motos? thx jib __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 14:16:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AIG0O7016233; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:16:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AIG0Nn016224; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:16:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021010181552.16580.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:15:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: RE: Manassas Man in MC Chase hits cop on FCP To: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\)" , "'jmcgonigle@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some are beyond just dumb. From what a guy said on DCsportbikes.net, one of the guys from Blalock cycle sold this character an F4i several months ago. He fell 3 times getting out of the parking lot. Then came back a few months later to get an R1 like his "boyz". Sales guy tried talking him out of it but couldn't. Todd W. --- "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > I totally agree with that. Some people are dumb just > plan dumb. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim McGonigle > [mailto:jmcgonigle@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:37 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Manassas Man in MC Chase hits cop on > FCP > > > What a jackass. It's a shame Darwin can't weed them > out earlier, before > they buy a motorcycle. > > -Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:34 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Manassas Man in MC Chase hits cop on FCP > > > > > > Oct 10, 2002 > > Manassas man dies in police chase > > > > BY KEITH WALKER > > kwalker@XXXXXX > > > > A 28-year-old Manassas man died in a motorcycle > accident at > > about 3 p.m. > > Monday during a police chase in Fairfax County, > said a recent police > > department press release. > > > > Police said Chekandio Williams, of 7400 Barbados > Lane, died > > after he hit a > > Fairfax police officer who was writing a ticket on > the > > shoulder of Fairfax > > County Parkway. > > Williams was eluding another officer at the time > of the > > accident, police said. > > > > Officer Timothy Judd tried to stop Williams, who > was speeding > > south on the > > Fairfax County Parkway toward the Burke Centre > Parkway, the > > release said. > > Police said Williams refused to stop, made a > U-Turn on Fairfax County > > Parkway and headed north. > > > > Williams drove the 2002 Yamaha motorcycle to the > shoulder of > > the parkway > > just north of Nomes Court, where Fairfax police > Officer Kevin > > Turney was > > issuing a summons to the driver of a Ford Escape, > the release said. > > > > Williams hit Turney with the motorcycle, then > slammed into > > the back of the > > Ford SUV, the release said. > > > > Turney was taken by helicopter to Inova Fairfax > Hospital and > > was treated > > for serious, but non-life-threatening injuries. > Williams was > > pronounced > > dead at the scene, the release said. > > > > Staff writer Keith Walker can be reached at (703) > 878-8063. > > > > [MT : This can't be good for motorcyclists in > Fairfax] > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org > > > > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 14:26:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AIQjO7016348; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:26:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AIQj6K016341; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:26:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:25:47 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Paranoia To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" Cc: "'mhmoore@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3DA5C62B.90BB522@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > > I think a lot of people just minding there own business are going to get the > cops called on them for nothing. It is one thing to notice a odd truck > parked across the street. I would worry too. It is another to follow > someone. Let the cops do there job. Just my .02. Small game season starts pretty soon here in Virginia, I imagine in Maryland, too. A .223 varmint rifle with a scope is a pretty common hunting weapon. I wonder how many terrified sheeple are gonna be flooding the police switchboards with "sniper" sightings in the next few weeks? Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 14:38:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AIccO7016441; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:38:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AIcbGX016432; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:38:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: horkster@XXXXXX, Silvera@XXXXXX Cc: mhmoore@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paranoia Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:37:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2002 18:37:30.0338 (UTC) FILETIME=[16FFA420:01C2708C] I'm not paranoid, I'm just concerned but I think it's a big mistake to take the attitude of "just let the cops do their job" They don't have close to enough people to have eyes and ears evrywhere. Odds substantially favor this guy getting caught from a tip about something suspicious. I'm not saying call in every white truck or 30 something angry male you know, but I will look twice at people/events/vehicles that strike me as odd and report it if I am worried. Let their Software sort out the tips >"Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > > > > I think a lot of people just minding there own business are going to get >the > > cops called on them for nothing. It is one thing to notice a odd truck > > parked across the street. I would worry too. It is another to follow > > someone. Let the cops do there job. Just my .02. > >Small game season starts pretty soon here in Virginia, I imagine in >Maryland, too. A .223 varmint rifle with a scope is a pretty common >hunting weapon. I wonder how many terrified sheeple are gonna be >flooding >the police switchboards with "sniper" sightings in the next few weeks? > >Horkster > >-- >Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > >Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > >'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer >'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi >'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 14:55:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AItgO7016614; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:55:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AItg0P016608; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:55:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'Isaac Blanck'" , Subject: RE: Parking Permits in DC for motorcycles??? Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:07:08 -0400 Message-ID: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F5020079985@MAINSERVER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F502007B06F@MAINSERVER> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 >>So what's the deal. >>Do other people w/ DC registered bikes have parking >>permits, or was this meter maid ignorant of the >>law/policy re motos? thx jib Isaac, I've always gotten a sticker permit for the bikes when I have registered them in DC. I've never actually *put them on* but I'd always pay the $10 fee and get the residential sticker. I guess with all the confusion over the new all-in-one registration stickers, bikes got forgotten about again. The new Residential Parking Permit is part of the all-in-one sticker, and since we're not getting those, I guess that's why you got jacked. I've personally never been ticketed for residential parking violations with the bike, not in my neighborhood or in others, btu I know that technically they can write you a ticket. You can contest the ticket easily, especially if you tell the Traffic Adjuiication goons that DMV told you in the first place you didn't need a sticker. You should get a sticker as soon as you can, though. Once they ticket you one, they'll keep on ticketing you. Better yet, rent garage space from a neighbor. No tickets and a lot harder to steal! cheers, patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 15:03:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AJ3YO7016696; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:03:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AJ3XSj016688; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:03:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004801c2708f$aabc5a20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Isaac Blanck" , References: <20021010180446.63065.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Parking Permits in DC for motorcycles??? Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:57:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isaac Blanck" > Earlier this week I received a parking ticket ($20) > for parking in a residential area w/o a permit. On my > block, no less!!! Now, when I first registered a bike > in DC in Sept. 2001, I asked for a permit and was told > that the dmv didn't issue permits to bikes, and that > bikes could park in any residential area w/o a permit. Then you were told wrong. Surprise, surprise. My VF500 has an RPP (Residential Parking Permit), while the VFR that lives under a cover doesn't since I decided to save the $10. You might write to the ticket adjudicator stating that DMV flat out refused to issue you a sticker and see if that cuts any ice. BTW, I gave up and stopped fighting City Hall on the All-in-One issue after getting nowhere. I went to Home Despot, bought some Lexan, cut a 5 by 5.5 inch piece of said 1/8" Lexan, drilled two holes and mounted the bletcherous sticker above my plate. The thing's reflective, so it helps night-time visibility. FWIW, windshield registration is proliferating nationwide. I notice both NY State and Mass. issue windshield registration validation stickers in lieu of plate stickers. I wonder how they handle bikes?? Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 15:21:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AJLJO7016824; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:21:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AJLIUV016815; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:21:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: I270... Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:21:08 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <009101c27092$336aab40$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <004801c2708f$aabc5a20$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Just FYI, anyone that goes North should reconsider. 30 some cop cars went shooting up I270 now it looks like its closed. I'm looking out the window at Montgomery Village and its stopped for as far as I can see. Hopefully just a sniper scare and not the real thing. -Jim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 15:23:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AJNcO7016873; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:23:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AJNcve016862; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:23:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:28:51 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Another Positive New Enough Experience Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The posts for NE are gonna start to sound like a broken record but man, their service just rocks. I ordered a size 46 Teknic Lightning 2 piece suit ($369!), well it was a bit too short so I called and talked to Paul who recommended a Chicane in a a 46, being skeptical of one the same size but different model, he offered to send me two suits to try on, he isn't even going to charge the card, told me to keep the Lightning and send back the two that didn't fit and we'll settle up then. Places with great prices and good service are hard to find. New Enough ships fast too! Dan -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 15:27:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AJRjO7016937; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:27:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AJRj9j016924; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:27:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021010192743.4903.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:27:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT: more excel help To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021010154747.4466.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thanks to all who replied. i'd still be screwing around with these numbers without your assistance. my first post forget to mention that if the value in A1 is greater than 5,300,000 but less than 10,300,000, then the value in B1 should be (A1 minus 5300000)*0.10 UP TO A MAXIMUM of 500,000 here's an example (i had to use the help in a number of different ways, with different ranges of numbers) of what your help has done for me: "=IF(H5>=30300000,3000000,IF(H5>20300000,MIN(3000000,H5-20300000)*0.3)*0)" lovely shit indeed.... or as brad faas so aptly described it: "good grief" --- Tom Gimer wrote: > i'm trying to write a formula for a cell in excel. i've > been using a "logical" formula but now i need to add > additional conditions. should i be "nesting" the > functions > in the formula box? > > here's the jist of my situation: > if the value in A1 is greater than or equal to > 10,300,000, > then the value of B1 should be 500,000 > > if the value in A1 is greater than 5,300,000 but less > than > 10,300,000, then the value in B1 should be A1*0.10 UP TO > A > MAXIMUM of 500,000 > > if the value in A1 is less than 5,300,000, then the value > in B1 should be 0 > > this would probably take me hours to figure out using the > help index __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 15:28:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AJSAO7016971; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:28:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AJSA3s016967; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:28:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021010151511.00a1d040@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:17:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Carl Schelin Subject: Tickets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed When I was getting ready to leave yesterday at 10am (leaving sick, sick today), a guy was bitching about a ticket he just got. He was parked in the next space down from the motorcycle lot and the parking drone gave him a ticket for the next meter (in the motorcycle spaces) being expired. He was pissed. And there's been an abandoned car blocking 5 spaces since Monday and no tickets. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 15:52:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AJqhO7017156; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:52:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AJqciN017137; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:52:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021010195236.3424.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:52:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT: more excel help To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021010192743.4903.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii jesus. that should have read: =IF(H5>=30300000,3000000,IF(H5>20300000,MIN(3000000,(H5-20300000)*0.3),0)) ENOUGH! thanks again --- Tom Gimer wrote: > here's an example (i had to use the help in a number of > different ways, with different ranges of numbers) of what > your help has done for me: > "=IF(H5>=30300000,3000000,IF(H5>20300000,MIN(3000000,H5-20300000)*0.3)*0)" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 17:22:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ALMDO7017680; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:22:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ALMA9Q017666; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:22:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021010212200.95973.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:22:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Who says you can't continue your motorcycle passion after death To: dccyles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I saw the following link on USAToday of all places and just had to share. http://www.motorcyclefunerals.com/ Keith SV650 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 17:33:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ALX4O7017763; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:33:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ALX4Hf017753; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:33:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021010213301.82483.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:33:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: wva roads To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii had the opportunity to run some great roads (some old, some new) this past weekend. va 43 crosses the parkway and is really cool. va 130 near natural bridge is a nice run. 39w from lexington, va to marlinton, wva was awesome (as always). i recommend flapjacks at the mill creek cafe near the intersection of 781 and 39. i really wish we had avoided route 150 near marlinton. this is a scenic highway that some shithead told me was the best road on earth for motorcyclists. if i saw him today, i'd smack him for making me miss ~20 miles of 219. 219n from marlinton (where i should have started on it) all the way to elkins was REALLY enjoyable. some high speed sweepers mixed in with groups of 20-25-30-35 mph turns. 33e from elkins to harrisonburg.... no comments needed here. 211 is now repaved. it was fun to run it when it had no lane markings. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 17:50:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ALo6O7017898; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:50:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ALo6uq017894; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:50:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paranoia Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:56:41 -0400 Message-ID: References: <0ED64D1B.47308069.0C9D3659@aol.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9ALo5O7017877 ROTFL.. It's good though. If everyone does this, the guy will get caught, if they guy they just caught isn't him. On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:14:43 -0400, "Michael H. Moore" wrote: > > Okay, I think the recent events have made me a bit paranoid. > > Today while I was working in my front yard, I noticed a dodge ram van park >across the street. After a few minutes I realized that nobody ever got out >of the van. So, being the nosey person I am, I started trying to get a good >look at the guy, and took down his license plate. After a few minutes of me >stalking him, he started the van up and drove away. I jumped in the trusty >sunbird, and followed him from a distance. He went to the elementary school >around the corner from us and parked there. It seemed weird, so I went home >and called the cops. While I was talking to them he came back and parked >across the street from me again. So while I'm waiting for the police to >come, one of my neighbors came home. She walked up to his van and he got >out, and they walked inside together. I guess the guy was just a >contractor waiting for the neighbors to get home. A few minutes later the >police showed up in a couple cars and blocked his van in from both sides. >I bet he was surprised when he saw his van surrounded by police cars! > > mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 18:20:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AMKwO7018172; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:20:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AMKvLi018160; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:20:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" Cc: "'mhmoore@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paranoia Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:27:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9AMKuO7018148 Yea but if the van leaves, it's good to be able to tell the police where it is, until they arrive. I'd say he did the right thing. On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:35:21 -0400, "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: >I think a lot of people just minding there own business are going to get the >cops called on them for nothing. It is one thing to notice a odd truck >parked across the street. I would worry too. It is another to follow >someone. Let the cops do there job. Just my .02. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 18:32:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AMW2O7018413; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:32:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AMW1wL018401; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:32:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Manassas Man in MC Chase hits cop on FCP Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:38:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021010113134.0222d510@mail.wheatintl.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021010113134.0222d510@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9AMW0O7018387 I wouldn't be surprised if the cop jumped out in front of the motorcyclist, maybe with the his gun drawn.... NOT A GOOD IDEA. Some cops take their job too seriously, over the safety of the public, over the safety of themselves. When a cop decides to jump out in front of any vehicle, wether it be issuing radar tickets, or trying to stop a fleeing driver, it's still not a good idea. It's pretty darwinistic to unneccesarily endanger your life. You can't do good police work if you're dead or injured. That's not to say i'm advocating the motorcyclist, or that i'm condescending any police officers. I have a high respect and appreciateion for the neccessity of police officers, and an individuals desire and choice to take on that role. I just hold important people to high standards, as they should be held. We don't need stupid nor dangerous police officers. We already got enough of stupidy and danger with the criminals. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 18:34:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AMYBO7018450; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:34:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AMYAin018444; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:34:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:34:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Manassas Man in MC Chase hits cop on FCP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > It's pretty darwinistic to unneccesarily endanger your life. You mean like we do every time we throw a leg over a motorcycle? Fish. *plonk* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 19:08:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9AN8fO7018988; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:08:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9AN8efE018982; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:08:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Manassas Man in MC Chase hits cop on FCP Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:15:18 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9AN8dO7018965 ROTFL touchee touchee... Someone word that better for me :) On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:34:08 -0500 (CDT), Fish Flowers wrote: >On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > >> It's pretty darwinistic to unneccesarily endanger your life. > >You mean like we do every time we throw a leg over a motorcycle? > >Fish. >*plonk* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 22:02:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9B229O7019900; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:02:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9B228Lf019883; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:02:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: JoseQuinones3@XXXXXX Message-ID: <18.26f3f154.2ad78b14@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:01:56 EDT Subject: Battletrax this Sunday!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: DCBRAG@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Harry S. Grove Stadium, Frederick, MD. http://www.battletrax.com/Schedule.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 10 23:16:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9B3GsO7020282; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:16:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9B3GrfN020271; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:16:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004201c270d4$9803f8d0$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: References: <20021010192743.4903.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Cycles USA Red light camera Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:15:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 For those of you that shop at Cycles USA, a red light camera has been installed and is now operational Southbound Georgia Ave. at the corner of Connecticut Ave. and Georgia Ave. They officially hooked it up today. I guess you can't try and catch the light South on Georgia Ave. anymore. Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 11 07:11:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9BBBiO7022796; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 07:11:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9BBBglY022777; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 07:11:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 06:11:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: All of the Action, a Fraction of the Traction. Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Careful out there this morning, ladles and gentlemints. The cagers are restless. At least I wore a rain slicker. If only I'd been a little more assiduous in my quest for riding boots, though... Fish. squish squish squish From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 11 11:35:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9BFZbO7024180; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:35:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9BFZXCe024161; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:35:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021011153530.89842.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:35:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Now that I am motorcycle only..... To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I need a few gear recommentations please. Right now I am pulling some thick Motoport pants over my dress pants. They are bulky and difficult to get on. What I would like recommendations on are: 1. Pants that can be zipped on over dress pants. Something waterproof and a bit warm but not too bulky. 2. Waterproof/warm gloves. Thanks! Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 11 11:45:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9BFjDO7024258; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:45:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9BFjDNG024248; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:45:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:49:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Now that I am motorcycle only..... In-Reply-To: <20021011153530.89842.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > I need a few gear recommentations please. Right now I > am pulling some thick Motoport pants over my dress > pants. They are bulky and difficult to get on. > > What I would like recommendations on are: > > 1. Pants that can be zipped on over dress pants. > Something waterproof and a bit warm but not too bulky. I've been digging the Aerostitch Darien pants I have. They're fairly light way, mostly waterproof, and have zippers up the outside of both legs that make them easy to get in and out of. http://www.aerostitch.com > 2. Waterproof/warm gloves. The ones I've been using, which seemed to do fairly well in wet, though aren't really motorcycle gloves - deerskin leather lined with cashmere and maybe thinsulsate - got them from Overland in Omaha NE. http://www.overland.com -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 11 11:56:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9BFukO7024347; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:56:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9BFukSZ024336; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:56:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-pair-Authenticated: 209.124.21.254 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Now that I am motorcycle only..... Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:56:07 -0400 Message-ID: <009901c2713e$c9649b40$3345080a@r1100s> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal > I've been digging the Aerostitch Darien pants I have. > They're fairly light way, mostly waterproof, and have zippers > up the outside of both legs that make them easy to get in and > out of. http://www.aerostitch.com I also recommend the Darien pants. These are overpants and Aerostich claims that they are waterproof. I've endured a torrential downpour with the Darien pants on (and a non-waterproof jacket). My upper body and hands were completely soaked...but my lower body was quite dry, except for some water that trickled down from my upper body. If I only was wearing my Darien jacket that day, I'm confident that I would have stayed very dry. Aerostich gear is quite pricey, but I've only heard praise about the quality, service, and crash protection. Wes Hsu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 11 12:12:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9BGCcO7024558; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:12:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9BGCcfD024551; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:12:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a501c27140$fe117dc0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "'DC Cycles'" References: <009901c2713e$c9649b40$3345080a@r1100s> Subject: Re: Now that I am motorcycle only..... Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:12:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I have the Motoport Ultra II with the waterproof linings. I've stayed absolutely dry, including the last two days, the first real workout the suit has gotten in a while. Even though it's a two piece, it comes off with the same effort as my old one-piece Roadcrafter and works well over office attire. I ditched the Roadcrafter because I got tired of wet crotch syndrome. In my opinion Aerostich is way overpriced and not truly all-weather. Roadcrafters leak and the coated cordura is damn hot above 80. I've become a big fan of breathable cordura Motoport because it gives me all-weather (heat, cold, wet) protection in a single ensemble, something I couldn't say for the Roadcrafter. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wesleyan Hsu" > > I've been digging the Aerostitch Darien pants I have. > > They're fairly light way, mostly waterproof, and have zippers > > up the outside of both legs that make them easy to get in and > > out of. http://www.aerostitch.com > > I also recommend the Darien pants. These are overpants and Aerostich > claims that they are waterproof. I've endured a torrential downpour with > the Darien pants on (and a non-waterproof jacket). My upper body and > hands were completely soaked...but my lower body was quite dry, except > for some water that trickled down from my upper body. If I only was > wearing my Darien jacket that day, I'm confident that I would have > stayed very dry. > > Aerostich gear is quite pricey, but I've only heard praise about the > quality, service, and crash protection. > > Wes Hsu > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 11 12:17:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9BGH7O7024633; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:17:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9BGH6fI024621; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:17:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:17:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Now that I am motorcycle only..... In-Reply-To: <20021011153530.89842.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > 1. Pants that can be zipped on over dress pants. I've heard nothing but good things about the Darien overpants. $300, black only, available only from Aerostich (http://www.aerostich.com/). A similar feature-set can be had for less money with Joe Rocket's Ballistic 3.0 and 4.0 pants. These too are black-only designs, and will run you $125-$130 from New Enough (http://www.newenough.com/). I currently wear a pair Ballistic 3.0 pants, and have some reservations about the build quality -- the right kneepad pocket is beginning to fray at the top, after about 1000 miles of wear. They are, however, significantly cheaper than the Darien. Can't help you with the glove thing, sorry. I wear JR Speedway gloves, which are also of somewhat iffy quality, and are by no means waterproof. Fish. wet hands are less of an issue than wet feet, though From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 11 12:23:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9BGNZO7024692; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:23:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9BGNZ4X024683; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:23:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021011162333.43083.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:23:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Now that I am motorcycle only..... To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks. THe 4.0 pants sound perfect for me. I am not looking for my sport riding pants, I have Z leathers for that. I need something to protect me and my clothes in weather like this for short rides. Mark --- Fish Flowers wrote: > On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > 1. Pants that can be zipped on over dress pants. > > I've heard nothing but good things about the Darien > overpants. $300, black > only, available only from Aerostich > (http://www.aerostich.com/). > > A similar feature-set can be had for less money with > Joe Rocket's > Ballistic 3.0 and 4.0 pants. These too are > black-only designs, and will > run you $125-$130 from New Enough > (http://www.newenough.com/). I currently > wear a pair Ballistic 3.0 pants, and have some > reservations about the > build quality -- the right kneepad pocket is > beginning to fray at the top, > after about 1000 miles of wear. They are, however, > significantly cheaper > than the Darien. > > Can't help you with the glove thing, sorry. I wear > JR Speedway gloves, > which are also of somewhat iffy quality, and are by > no means waterproof. > > Fish. > wet hands are less of an issue than wet feet, though > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 11 16:30:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9BKUQO7026084; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:30:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9BKUD0c026065; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:30:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DA73402.62548C01@carlparker.com> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:26:42 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: OT: Auto jurnkyards.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know any good auto junkyard in the area? Looking for 89 Acura integra stuff. Thanks, Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 11 16:45:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9BKjoO7026175; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:45:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9BKjolO026169; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:45:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:40:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DCCycles Subject: Re: OT: Auto jurnkyards.... In-Reply-To: <3DA73402.62548C01@carlparker.com> Message-ID: <20021011133858.D320-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Carl Parker wrote: > Anyone know any good auto junkyard in the area? Looking for 89 Acura > integra stuff. > > Thanks, > Carl A lot of guys in my car club (Camaro/Firebird) have good experiences with: Beltsville Auto Recyclers Inc 11331 Maryland Ave Beltsville, MD 20705-1626 Phone: 301-937-7333 -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 11 19:29:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9BNTNO7027290; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:29:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9BNTM2a027273; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:29:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dcsportbikeriders@XXXXXX, roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Need 2000 R6 relay Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:36:11 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9BNTKO7027256 The relay sits next to the solenoid, right behind battery. If anyone knows of someone parting out an r6, or who has that relay, let me know something. GRD doesn't have the part. The R6 has to be made after 2000. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 12 06:11:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9CABMO7030641; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 06:11:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9CABIo3030622; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 06:11:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 05:11:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Moto Rag? Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I currently have subscriptions to the Motorcyclist print magazine and the Motorcycle Online (http://www.motorcycle.com/) online magazine. Both of these seem a little too, err, "sport"-oriented for my tastes. What do people recommend as useful media coverage for standard/traditional/naked riders? MCN? Fish. butbutbut it's so expensive, is it worth it From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 12 08:34:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9CCYnO7031214; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 08:34:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9CCYlNU031195; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 08:34:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021012083317.00b38be0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 08:34:35 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Moto Rag? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:11 AM 10/12/2002, Fish Flowers wrote: >I currently have subscriptions to the Motorcyclist print magazine and the >Motorcycle Online (http://www.motorcycle.com/) online magazine. Both of >these seem a little too, err, "sport"-oriented for my tastes. What do >people recommend as useful media coverage for standard/traditional/naked >riders? MCN? > >Fish. >butbutbut it's so expensive, is it worth it IMHO, if you have only enough money to afford a subscription for one moto mag, it should be Motorcycle Consumer News. Period. Period. Dot dot dot. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 12 09:35:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9CDZLO7031483; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:35:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9CDZKTR031473; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:35:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: Manassas Man in MC Chase hits cop on FCP From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021010113134.0222d510@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 12 Oct 2002 09:35:13 -0400 Message-Id: <1034429713.2149.355.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 18:38, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > I wouldn't be surprised if the cop jumped out in front of the > motorcyclist, maybe with the his gun drawn.... NOT A GOOD IDEA. I would. Police Officers generally don't do that, therefore, it'd be surprising. More than likely, Mr. Moron decided to use the shoulder to get around someone while illegally evading the other police officer, and lost control when he suddenly noticed his path was blocked by the LEO writing a ticket. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 12 13:40:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9CHepO7000307; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 13:40:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9CHeoPB032764; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 13:40:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: rust@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 13:41:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: FOR SALE: 1990 FZR400 Message-ID: <3DA8266F.17501.3ECA38B@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Ok, It needs to go. 15.4k miles excellent shape mostly stock never raced ohlins rear shock bridgestone BT-50 tires http://www.thornflux.com/fzr400/ $2900 -Eric From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 12 13:42:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9CHgqO7000348; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 13:42:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9CHgp0P000338; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 13:42:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00c601c27216$bc1d9ee0$09815b0c@dz7wc01> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Now that I am motorcycle only..... Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 13:42:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: Mark Kitchell I need a few gear recommentations please. ...snip 2. Waterproof/warm gloves. Just received (zip experience, sorry) a pair from Dennis Kirk www.denniskirk.com that fit my specs, similar to yours. "Wild Rider" winter (leather + Thinsulate), attached rain covers, large gauntlets, good customer service (my larges were too small), 33.99 total. H35-304XL. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > winter is icumin in Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 12 15:44:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9CJi5O7001557; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 15:44:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9CJi40b001542; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 15:44:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 15:45:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Moto Rag? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) Cc: DC-Cycles To: Fish Flowers From: Dave Cross In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <25EB0882-DE1B-11D6-85C2-000502563717@davecross.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) You might try RIDER magazine. MCN is a must have regardless. dave On Saturday, October 12, 2002, at 06:11 AM, Fish Flowers wrote: > I currently have subscriptions to the Motorcyclist print magazine and > the > Motorcycle Online (http://www.motorcycle.com/) online magazine. Both of > these seem a little too, err, "sport"-oriented for my tastes. What do > people recommend as useful media coverage for > standard/traditional/naked > riders? MCN? > > Fish. > butbutbut it's so expensive, is it worth it > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 12 20:15:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9D0FmO7006002; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:15:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9D0FhbM005983; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:15:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:13:57 -0400 Subject: Re: gloves for winter From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I find that a pair of lightweight goretex mittens worn over medium weight wool liners gives me warmth without the bulk of heavy gloves resulting in more control feel and toasty paws. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 12 20:39:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9D0dgO7006105; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:39:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9D0dgmB006100; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:39:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:33:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: gloves for winter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021012173316.L11374-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, Bob McKeithen wrote: > I find that a pair of lightweight goretex mittens worn over medium weight > wool liners gives me warmth without the bulk of heavy gloves resulting in > more control feel and toasty paws. Do you worry about protection in a get off using that setup, Bob? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 12 20:53:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9D0rTO7006209; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:53:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9D0rTcG006196; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:53:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021012202453.00a753c0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:42:41 -0400 To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Moto Rag? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Here are the ones I currently have in my possession: Motorcycle Cruiser Street Choppers RoadBike (Formerly Motorcycle Tour & Cruiser) American Iron Magazine The Horse Back Street Choppers Easyriders American Rider Hot Rod Bikes V-Twin Long Riders Biker Iron Works Cycle World Hot Bike I went to MCN but their web site sucks. Someone got some magazine cards? I like Motorcycle Cruiser and RoadBike for the riding tips and some of the reviews. I like American Iron and The Horse for the hands on wrenching stuff (and I subscribe to these two). I'll be subscribing to the two cruising mags when I remember and send in the cards. Street Choppers, Hot Rod Bikes, and Hot Bike all seem to be out of my range. More towards a "this is a cool bike, here's how you can buy it" instead of here's how to make it. I'm kind of 50/50 on the Street Choppers though. I've looked at two of their issues and the first was fluff but the second had some good tips. V-Twin, Biker, and Easyriders are similar; T&A and 1%ers. When I'm looking at a bike, I keep wanting the woman to move out of the way :-) Iron Works and American Rider are like American Iron. If I'd picked up one of the others first I'd probably be subscribing to them instead. *shrug* Long Riders I'd snagged from Barnes and Noble. It seems to be African American oriented. When I read that one, I realized that I didn't see much (if any) African Americans in the other magazines. It seems to have a mix of bikes in it though and not much in the tips section. Cycle World. Eh, it's one of the several I've grabbed to just read something about bikes. Me: I ride as much as I can and want to ride around the country so touring and cruising are big. But I also want to build a chopped bike. I'm in the planning stages now; reading and gathering information. Maybe next winter's project. My opinions based on what I like. YMMV, HANWE. Evil Overlord Carl At 05:11 AM 10/12/02 -0500, Fish Flowers wrote: >I currently have subscriptions to the Motorcyclist print magazine and the >Motorcycle Online (http://www.motorcycle.com/) online magazine. Both of >these seem a little too, err, "sport"-oriented for my tastes. What do >people recommend as useful media coverage for standard/traditional/naked >riders? MCN? > >Fish. >butbutbut it's so expensive, is it worth it From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 12 20:56:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9D0upO7006254; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:56:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9D0upHk006247; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:56:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021012204308.00a52030@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:46:08 -0400 To: Bob McKeithen , DC Cycles From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: gloves for winter In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I built a couple of hand protection units out of leather scraps and clothes hangers. I've just ordered some sheet leather and will be building my second prototype for this winter. More of a windbreak than anything else. If I can keep the wind off of the paws, which are pretty stuck in a single position, my gloves can keep me warm. The worst thing last year was my left hands middle finger kept getting numb. I'm hoping for better this year. Carl At 08:13 PM 10/12/02 -0400, Bob McKeithen wrote: >I find that a pair of lightweight goretex mittens worn over medium weight >wool liners gives me warmth without the bulk of heavy gloves resulting in >more control feel and toasty paws. > >Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 13 11:46:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9DFkUO7022725; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:46:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9DFkTut022714; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:46:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021013154616.97966.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: gloves for winter To: Wayne Edelen , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20021012173316.L11374-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i also wear windproof mittens -- but over my regular riding gloves. works fine for me, but electrics seem like the ideal way to go. perhaps this winter i'll take that plunge. --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, Bob McKeithen wrote: > > > I find that a pair of lightweight goretex mittens worn > over medium weight > > wool liners gives me warmth without the bulk of heavy > gloves resulting in > > more control feel and toasty paws. > > Do you worry about protection in a get off using that > setup, Bob? > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 13 19:00:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9DN0lO7024797; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:00:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9DN0kZl024789; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:00:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: JoseQuinones3@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:00:38 EDT Subject: Today's Battletrax Pictures To: josh@XXXXXX, DCBRAG@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 See/Download them from here: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/37/10816.html?#POST127195 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 14 00:23:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9E4NFO7026337; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 00:23:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9E4ND1T026321; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 00:23:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021014042311.24538.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:23:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Subject: 1) last try - SPAM and 2) Job offer for web-designer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 1) Okay, one last try to unload my ride before the dealer gets it. $5100. 1998 Triumph Speed Triple. Green. 11.5K miles. Fuel-injected. Just had oil changed. Just over 1K on tires. Fork protectors/ 80/80 bulbs/ quick-release seat kit/ Hella horn. Otherwise stock. Always garaged. One 2-3" scratch on clutch cover, otherwise cosmetically perfect. Tank bag and Triumph-specific fork lock included in price. Aaron 202-434-5282 (work) 202-309-1894 (home) 2) My law firm has an opening for an experienced web/intranet designer. This is a full-time position. "Primary responsibilities include total site design and layout, site structure, content accuracy, overall aesthetics of the site, and the development of new content." Please feel free to call me for details. My email access will be spotty for the next two days. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 14 09:35:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9EDZ7O7029363; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:35:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9EDZ53r029352; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:35:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hand protection and bike mags and Winterizing Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:33:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2002 13:33:59.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[59EECF70:01C27386] Do they still make Hippo Hands? They were a Vetter product, basically a set of sleaves, attached to you handlebars, you slid your arms in and rode. Fugly as all get out, but lots of people used to use them. I guess they worked. Winter riding for me depends on a couple of things, severity of the winter, which in Virginia has been very mild the last few winters and my bikes condition. Those really cold months (December, January and February) I'm usually doing something to the bike for the upcoming season. One year I took it down to major components, cleaned it and put it back together again. No problems. This year, I haven't decided. But I usually winterize it for a few months and haul it down to my favorite mechanic in Jan or Feb for the timing and carb synch, having changed out ALL the fluids, greased the swing arm and other points, check the various bearings for play. Cleaned up the pipes (some day I'll get another set) and come March/April I'm back on the road... in May it's inspection time and I'm really riding by that time. I did buy a windscreen a couple of years ago, but that only goes on in the Spring and Fall... for those cooler days. As for bike mags. I never buy them. Go to the library, plus get the books MCN pushes on riding techniques ones called Proficient Motorcycling by David Hough... the other is called (?) street tactics or something like that... by David Hough as well. I only have the Proficient MC book. For me, it's a good review. MSF books are also available at the library....and I've read them... but I prefer the Hough books for information. i also wear windproof mittens -- but over my regular riding gloves. works fine for me, but electrics seem like the ideal way to go. perhaps this winter i'll take that plunge. Never meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 14 14:10:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9EIAmO7030898; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:10:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9EIAlA9030879; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:10:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021014180843.54116.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:08:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Moto Rag? To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MCN is definitely worth the price, if you can find a way to put up with fred rau's input. and, if you're kind enough to some dcc lister who is already a subscriber, they can add you for $29/year. touch it. love it. yessss, that's my good fish. --- Fish Flowers wrote: > I currently have subscriptions to the Motorcyclist print > magazine and the > Motorcycle Online (http://www.motorcycle.com/) online > magazine. Both of > these seem a little too, err, "sport"-oriented for my > tastes. What do > people recommend as useful media coverage for > standard/traditional/naked > riders? MCN? > > Fish. > butbutbut it's so expensive, is it worth it > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 14 15:12:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9EJCUO7031239; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:12:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9EJCSGN031228; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:12:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DAB1869.BBF4A5EE@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:18:01 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Moto Rag? References: <20021014180843.54116.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > MCN is definitely worth the price, if you can find a way to > put up with fred rau's input. Give Fred a break. This month Fred's musings over a dude who had spent 32K dressing up his dresser but only managed to pile up an amazing 812 miles on the OD was a chuckle. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 14 15:16:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9EJGKO7031287; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:16:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9EJGJYw031278; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:16:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021014151531.01d51f48@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:16:12 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Moto Rag? In-Reply-To: <3DAB1869.BBF4A5EE@patriot.net> References: <20021014180843.54116.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:18 PM 10/14/2002, you wrote: >Tom Gimer wrote: > > > MCN is definitely worth the price, if you can find a way to > > put up with fred rau's input. > >Give Fred a break. This month Fred's musings over a dude who had spent >32K dressing up his dresser but only managed to pile up an amazing 812 >miles on the OD was a chuckle. > >Bill you forgot to mention the poser has owned the bike for two years! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 14 17:05:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9EL5iO7031843; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:05:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9EL5hWH031824; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:05:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:03:56 -0400 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/13/02 From: Bob McKeithen To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200210132300.g9DN00ee024601@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 10/13/02 7:00 PM, The dc-cycles list administrator at dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:13:57 -0400 > Subject: Re: gloves for winter > From: Bob McKeithen > To: DC Cycles > > I find that a pair of lightweight goretex mittens worn over medium weight > wool liners gives me warmth without the bulk of heavy gloves resulting in > more control feel and toasty paws. > > Bob > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:33:56 -0700 (PDT) > From: Wayne Edelen > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: gloves for winter > > On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, Bob McKeithen wrote: > >> I find that a pair of lightweight goretex mittens worn over medium weight >> wool liners gives me warmth without the bulk of heavy gloves resulting in >> more control feel and toasty paws. > > Do you worry about protection in a get off using that setup, Bob? > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:42:41 -0400 > To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles > From: Carl Schelin > Subject: Re: Moto Rag? > > Here are the ones I currently have in my possession: > > Motorcycle Cruiser > Street Choppers > RoadBike (Formerly Motorcycle Tour & Cruiser) > American Iron Magazine > The Horse Back Street Choppers > Easyriders > American Rider > Hot Rod Bikes > V-Twin > Long Riders > Biker > Iron Works > Cycle World > Hot Bike > > I went to MCN but their web site sucks. Someone got some magazine cards? > > I like Motorcycle Cruiser and RoadBike for the riding tips and some of the > reviews. I like American Iron and The Horse for the hands on wrenching > stuff (and I subscribe to these two). I'll be subscribing to the two > cruising mags when I remember and send in the cards. > > Street Choppers, Hot Rod Bikes, and Hot Bike all seem to be out of my > range. More towards a "this is a cool bike, here's how you can buy it" > instead of here's how to make it. I'm kind of 50/50 on the Street Choppers > though. I've looked at two of their issues and the first was fluff but the > second had some good tips. > > V-Twin, Biker, and Easyriders are similar; T&A and 1%ers. When I'm looking > at a bike, I keep wanting the woman to move out of the way > :-) > > Iron Works and American Rider are like American Iron. If I'd picked up one > of the others first I'd probably be subscribing to them instead. *shrug* > > Long Riders I'd snagged from Barnes and Noble. It seems to be African > American oriented. When I read that one, I realized that I didn't see much > (if any) African Americans in the other magazines. It seems to have a mix > of bikes in it though and not much in the tips section. > > Cycle World. Eh, it's one of the several I've grabbed to just read > something about bikes. > > Me: I ride as much as I can and want to ride around the country so touring > and cruising are big. But I also want to build a chopped bike. I'm in the > planning stages now; reading and gathering information. Maybe next winter's > project. > > My opinions based on what I like. YMMV, HANWE. > > Evil Overlord Carl > > > At 05:11 AM 10/12/02 -0500, Fish Flowers wrote: >> I currently have subscriptions to the Motorcyclist print magazine and the >> Motorcycle Online (http://www.motorcycle.com/) online magazine. Both of >> these seem a little too, err, "sport"-oriented for my tastes. What do >> people recommend as useful media coverage for standard/traditional/naked >> riders? MCN? >> >> Fish. >> butbutbut it's so expensive, is it worth it > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:46:08 -0400 > To: Bob McKeithen , > DC Cycles > From: Carl Schelin > Subject: Re: gloves for winter > > I built a couple of hand protection units out of leather scraps and clothes > hangers. I've just ordered some sheet leather and will be building my > second prototype for this winter. More of a windbreak than anything else. > If I can keep the wind off of the paws, which are pretty stuck in a single > position, my gloves can keep me warm. The worst thing last year was my left > hands middle finger kept getting numb. > > I'm hoping for better this year. > > Carl > > At 08:13 PM 10/12/02 -0400, Bob McKeithen wrote: >> I find that a pair of lightweight goretex mittens worn over medium weight >> wool liners gives me warmth without the bulk of heavy gloves resulting in >> more control feel and toasty paws. >> >> Bob > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > Subject: Re: gloves for winter > To: Wayne Edelen , DC Cycles > > i also wear windproof mittens -- but over my regular riding > gloves. works fine for me, but electrics seem like the > ideal way to go. perhaps this winter i'll take that > plunge. > > > > --- Wayne Edelen wrote: >> On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, Bob McKeithen wrote: >> >>> I find that a pair of lightweight goretex mittens worn >> over medium weight >>> wool liners gives me warmth without the bulk of heavy >> gloves resulting in >>> more control feel and toasty paws. >> >> Do you worry about protection in a get off using that >> setup, Bob? >> >> -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > > > Yes, but less than I worry about cold hands !! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 14 20:57:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9F0vmO7000895; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:57:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9F0vlUk000890; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:57:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52392EC@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: metro to BWI Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:58:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ballston to BWI via metro and bus took 2 hours. I just missed the bus which runs every 40 minutes by 10 minutes, meaning 1/4 of the trip was spent sitting at the metro stop waiting for a bus, did I mention there is a sniper on the loose in that area? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 14 20:58:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9F0weO7000939; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:58:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9F0we28000933; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:58:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52392ED@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Parking Permits in DC for motorcycles??? Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:59:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Move to Arlington, no zone stickers for bikes. Sorry Paul, had to do it. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:58 PM To: Isaac Blanck; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parking Permits in DC for motorcycles??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isaac Blanck" > Earlier this week I received a parking ticket ($20) > for parking in a residential area w/o a permit. On my > block, no less!!! Now, when I first registered a bike > in DC in Sept. 2001, I asked for a permit and was told > that the dmv didn't issue permits to bikes, and that > bikes could park in any residential area w/o a permit. Then you were told wrong. Surprise, surprise. My VF500 has an RPP (Residential Parking Permit), while the VFR that lives under a cover doesn't since I decided to save the $10. You might write to the ticket adjudicator stating that DMV flat out refused to issue you a sticker and see if that cuts any ice. BTW, I gave up and stopped fighting City Hall on the All-in-One issue after getting nowhere. I went to Home Despot, bought some Lexan, cut a 5 by 5.5 inch piece of said 1/8" Lexan, drilled two holes and mounted the bletcherous sticker above my plate. The thing's reflective, so it helps night-time visibility. FWIW, windshield registration is proliferating nationwide. I notice both NY State and Mass. issue windshield registration validation stickers in lieu of plate stickers. I wonder how they handle bikes?? Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 14 21:55:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9F1tBO7001338; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:55:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9F1tBr2001331; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:55:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 18:49:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Skyline Pics Message-ID: <20021014184746.D31203-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A Marine buddy of mine in Quantico headed out to Skyline today on his Gixxer600. Here are a few pics from his trip - http://www.silvereaglecorvettes.com/~mattp/skylinedrive/ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 14 21:58:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9F1wUO7001526; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:58:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9F1wT33001510; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:58:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021014215755.01d1acb0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:58:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Skyline Pics In-Reply-To: <20021014184746.D31203-100000@magoo.noid.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:49 PM 10/14/2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: >A Marine buddy of mine in Quantico headed out to Skyline today on his >Gixxer600. Here are a few pics from his trip - >http://www.silvereaglecorvettes.com/~mattp/skylinedrive/ > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ beautiful, but how odd to see all that green in mid October! -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 14 22:39:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9F2djO7001743; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:39:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9F2di2H001736; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:39:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9b.2efdb779.2adcd9e4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:39:32 EDT Subject: Re: Hand protection and bike mags and Winterizing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/14/2002 9:35:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hotrivet@XXXXXX writes: > Do they still make Hippo Hands? You can still get something similar if not the same but you may have to look in ATV or snowmobile shops/catalogs as they seem to have fallen out of favor on bikes. They can cause problems such as interfering with your controls or getting your hands back in after scratching your nose (or putting your bike on reserve.) I have a set love/hate em. They seem to be about as warm as a good pair of winter gloves by themselves but then you can wear a pair of gloves _with_ them to stay really warm. Still I would be inclined to go with heated gloves or grips as a safer option ($.02.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 14 22:50:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9F2okO7001828; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:50:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9F2ok0P001820; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:50:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <59.231ad9ad.2adcdc7e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:50:38 EDT Subject: Re: metro to BWI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/14/2002 8:58:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > did I mention there is a sniper > on the loose in that area? If I "read between the lines" on this sub human all you have to do is keep moving, seems like the ones getting shot are standing or sitting still. Makes sense to me, this thing prides itself on marksmanship, cant keep that up if your target is moving. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 14 22:55:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9F2tHO7001917; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:55:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9F2tHko001910; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:55:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DAB8343.4060807@erols.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:53:55 -0400 From: Steve Price User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020618 Netscape/7.0b1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hippo hands Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hippo hands are no longer available there called polar hands now. Any motorcycle shop can order them from Tucker Rocky and there about $44.00. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 14 22:57:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9F2vMO7002064; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:57:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9F2vM33002056; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:57:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:57:13 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Moto Rag? To: Tom Gimer Cc: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Message-id: <3DAB8409.4CBCE64B@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021014180843.54116.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Tom Gimer wrote: > > MCN is definitely worth the price, if you can find a way to > put up with fred rau's input. I like Fred's articles. He's a refreshing change of pace from the typical "sportbikes is da bomb!" moto rag writer. His comment about the FJR1300 was funny, too. "It's not often a manufacturer brings out a sport-tourer this good, and then puts my initials on the side of it." :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 15 09:17:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9FDHuO7005428; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:17:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9FDHplK005413; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:17:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021015131749.34482.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 06:17:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Moto Rag? To: Dale Horstman , bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <3DAB8409.4CBCE64B@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > MCN is definitely worth the price, if you can find a > > way to put up with fred rau's input. > > I like Fred's articles. He's a refreshing change of pace > from the typical "sportbikes is da bomb!" moto rag > writer. > His comment about the FJR1300 was funny, too. "It's not > often a manufacturer brings out a sport-tourer this good, > and then puts my initials on the side of it." :) > > Hork ----bill huson wrote: > Give Fred a break. This month Fred's musings over a dude > who had spent > 32K dressing up his dresser but only managed to pile up an > amazing 812 > miles on the OD was a chuckle. there you have it, folks. two moderately amusing quotes from 10 years of writing. no wonder they put his column on the inside of the back cover! :-| sure, fred's ok.... but he's my least favorite mcn writer (especially since lee parks' sorry ass deserted the group). -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 15 09:37:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9FDbWO7005571; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:37:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9FDbWPZ005563; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:37:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DAC1B67.33310ECF@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:43:03 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Dale Horstman , Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Moto Rag? References: <20021015131749.34482.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > there you have it, folks. two moderately amusing quotes > from 10 years of writing. no wonder they put his column on > the inside of the back cover! :-| > > sure, fred's ok.... but he's my least favorite mcn writer > (especially since lee parks' sorry ass deserted the group). I agree. Parks was way better than Searles (sp?). MCN is the only Moto Rag I get now. Use to get the AMA pub but got tired of all the political whining and bitching. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 15 09:55:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9FDtoO7005872; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:55:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9FDtm3Q005857; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:55:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DAC1FB0.631A31A3@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:01:20 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: It's getting chilly... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No relief either. My heat pump went tits up, won't be fixed until Thursday and SWMBO refuses to turn on the emergency heat. She sez we'll bundle... oh my! This could work in my favor. Best way to share body heat - get neked! Moto-content - my problem - the Shoei helmet visor won't close all the way and my lips are turning blue. I fiddled around with the two screws that hold the visor gizmo in place but can't seem to get it right. Is there a trick to this? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 15 10:20:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9FEK8O7006322; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:20:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9FEK7KR006312; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:20:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004701c27455$f1f71820$0e0314ac@ddlomni.com> From: "Jon Strang" To: "Rich Hall" Cc: References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52392ED@SERVER1> Subject: Re: Parking Permits in DC for motorcycles??? Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:19:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2002 14:19:59.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1EF7700:01C27455] There is in Zone 2. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Hall" To: Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 8:59 PM Subject: RE: Parking Permits in DC for motorcycles??? > Move to Arlington, no zone stickers for bikes. Sorry Paul, had to do it. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 15 10:42:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9FEg5O7006561; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:42:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9FEg5jo006553; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:42:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021015144202.79773.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 07:42:02 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Moto Rag? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3DAB8409.4CBCE64B@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I like Fred's articles. He didn't print my detailed critique of Lee Parks' riding that resulted in his tossing the bike (FJR) down the road and nearly himself off the cliff as well. For a mag that is otherwise known for sane writing and 'mature' riders it was a shameful display of hormones run amuck. I wouldn't have castigated Lee so much if he had the honesty to admit his failure in his editor's column but he didn't. Indeed he made up all kinds of excuses which set me off. I didn't realize but it looks like MCN is a $1.5 million business. If anyone wants to borrow an issue within the last 4 years just ask me. I'll lend it out just as long as I scan it in first. ===== I'll believe in evolution when you show me 10^50 blind people solving their scrambled Rubik's Cubes simultaneously. -- Sir Fred Hoyle __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 15 11:49:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9FFncO7007264; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:49:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9FFncLG007254; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:49:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021015154935.37127.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:49:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Moto Rag? To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021015144202.79773.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > > > I like Fred's articles. > > He didn't print my detailed critique of Lee Parks' riding > that resulted > in his tossing the bike (FJR) down the road and nearly > himself off the > cliff as well. what are you talking about? why would they print YOUR "critique"? describe what you saw of mr. parks to those of us who didn't get to see it. > For a mag that is otherwise known for sane > writing and > 'mature' riders it was a shameful display of hormones run > amuck. I > wouldn't have castigated Lee so much if he had the > honesty to admit his > failure in his editor's column but he didn't. Indeed he > made up all > kinds of excuses which set me off. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 15 11:50:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9FFoIO7007305; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:50:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9FFoIie007301; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:50:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:50:07 EDT Subject: europe, responses, etc To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 hi everyone! i know i was deeply missed while i was away. (for those of you who didnt notice, i was on vacation for two weeks!) i had no idea that i could be confused with cajen (the other jen with her purple cruiser) when i was thousands of miles away! thanks dan for clearing all of that up while i was gone --- even though you thought it was quiet on the list since i was out of the country! i see how it is. :) as for europe --- you would love it!! you can go as fast as you want on most of the motorways. so no more worries of tickets, jailtime, fines, etc. there are way more standard and sportbikes compared to cruisers; however, there are LOTS more mo-peds then we have here! the majority of people wear full-face helmets -- i saw probably less than 10 non-full-face helmets in the two weeks i was there. mostly everyone wears at least a protective jacket. and.... can you say Lane-Splitting??? i think they teach it in their MSF courses there!! its expected of the cyclists to not stay in the car lanes but to go between the cars so they can be at the front of the line at stop lights. i didnt see any crashes the entire time i was there. also, in london, they drive on the opposite sides of the street than we do. for all intersections, its painted on the ground for the pedestrians to know which way to look. 'look left' 'look right' i bet less pedestrians get killed there cuz they actually look for traffic! i saw my first moto-guzzi and aprilia up close. you will be impressed that i can tell the differences between various types of sportbikes now --- which i really couldnt do before. its odd though because their sportbikes make me think they are just standards because most of the europians dont put side fairings on. the ducatis look horrible without the fairings but i have a cruiser --- so what do i know? :) prior to going on vacation, i had a little mishap. i was making a very slow moving turn and somehow ended up with my bike parallel to the ground *ponder* its not supposed to be that way. only slight scratches on the exhaust and ill have to replace the turn signal eventually because its slightly cracked. how hard is replacing a turn signal and who wants to help? *smile* even tho i had a mishap, prior to vacation i turned over 5100 miles! woohoo -- in 3 months. now about that leak i had --- it was serviced while i was on vacation. as it turns out, when it was put together from the manufacturer, the sealant on properly. so they fixed it. no more leak and it was at no cost to me! now for fish and the gas problem: definitely watch your mileage -- your mpg shouldnt change a whole lot between fill-ups. i do believe if you fill up while your switch is turned on reserve, you will not have a reserve to turn to when your main tank goes empty. so make sure your switch is turned to on or off but not reserve. hope this helps. you'll be happy to know that i finally invested in some protective gear. im the proud owner of a very nice italian leather coat. i wore it last night when picking up the bike -- definitely a noticeable difference of staying warm in the cold. my next step is some warmer gloves. (ive read the posts on this subject -- no need to make more recommendations just for jtb!) as a side note --- australians start any position with a minimum of 5 weeks of paid vacation per year plus regular holidays. most europeans have much more vacation time than we do to start and most only work 4 days a week. i think we're doing something wrong here? it was nice to be away but its also good to be home --- off to work i go for the rest of the day! jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 15 16:35:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9FKZ1O7009051; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:35:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9FKZ0Op009035; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:35:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514E51@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'markkitchell@XXXXXX'" Subject: gloves for winter Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:35:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Evil Overlord Carl complained overly eagerly: "The worst thing last year was my left hands middle finger kept getting numb." Uh, try waving with ALL of your fingers together. You'll loose less heat from that "finger". 8^D Adam Wah wondered aloud, "Do they still make Hippo Hands?" No, nor the Quicksilver or Windjammer There are used sets around. IIRC a set went or >$100 on eBay last winter. Around town they're great but, at highway speed the wind pressure weighs mightily on the back of your hand. Adam wisely added, '"I also wear windproof mittens -- but over my regular riding gloves. works fine for me, but electrics seem like the ideal way to go. perhaps this winter i'll take that plunge." Yup. I've tried many combinations over the couple decades of commuting into yer Nation's Capitol. The best non-electric was Polartec mittens inside a leather mitten special-ordered from Myers Cycle. Dunno if the mittens are still available. The OR mittens at REI are excellent waterproof mittens for rainy days -- pricey but what are dry gloves worth to ya? Down side if mittens is covering the brake lever with all of your digits feels funny. The second best electric set up was the grip heaters from RiderWearHouse. Mmmmmm warm hands. Bought mine 5 years ago. They still work but have had to open them up and fix a couple of shorts (Ohh mommy, why is that man's hand smoking?) Luckily, after smelling the sizzling rubber, the heater switch was within handy thumb reach on my mirror stalk. I'm thinking about wiring up a new set. The best electric set up is a pair of Gerbing gloves snagged at Heyser's Fall clearance two-three years ago. For those who missed Heysers this year, there was a large black Shoei 900 for $170 and three red Arai in extra large for $250 Plus many other bah-gans. Which brings up "Moto Rag?" Evil Overlord Carl continued opining enthusiastically, "Here are the ones I currently have in my possession:" You left out: Winding Roads, Motorcycle Times. Worth many times the price.* It lists the local Mid-Atlantic open houses, sales, and such (e.g. Morton's this week end) Local happenings, and offerings from local authors *O.K. it's free at many local shops but still worth seeking around the first of every odd numbered month (e.g. Nine-member) Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 15 21:50:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9G1oRO7011031; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:50:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9G1oQ7r011026; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:50:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:45:27 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: Allen Caldwell , biglj@XXXXXX, catherine.ctr.austin@XXXXXX, claudecaldwell@XXXXXX, contact@XXXXXX, cwu@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Richard & Clara Caldwell , demayo25@XXXXXX, DR650@XXXXXX, esande@XXXXXX, jendavw@XXXXXX, KBNEAL1776@XXXXXX, kloggr@XXXXXX, luchy-86@XXXXXX, mackatsea@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX, prenauld@XXXXXX, sales@XXXXXX, srichards@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX, WSDYMF@XXXXXX Subject: Tour Update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >From DC to Presidio Texas http://www.twowheelsgood.net/twowheelsgood/americas/americas.html Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net Proudly sponsored by Loudoun Motorsports http://www.loudounmotorsports.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 06:32:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GAWAO7013822; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 06:32:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GAW9M5013818; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 06:32:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Custer, Carl" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: gloves for winter Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 06:31:57 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: "'markkitchell@XXXXXX'" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514E51@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514E51@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02101606315719.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 15 October 2002 16:35, Custer, Carl wrote: > Evil Overlord Carl complained overly eagerly: > "The worst thing last year was my left hands middle finger kept getting > numb." > Uh, try waving with ALL of your fingers together. You'll loose less heat > from that "finger". 8^D > But I thought that's how I was _supposed_ to wave at the sportsbikers. Damn, did I misread that page in the "Official Harley-Davidson Hand Wavers Handbook (tm)" ($59.95 at your local dealer (MSRP $29.95))? I've only been on a Harley for a year and I'm still getting the hang of it. I had my do-rag on backwards for a couple of days until I got to the right page in the "Official Harley-Davidson Hairdo Maintenance Manual with the Official Harley-Davidson 'do-rag' (tm)" ($49.95 at your local dealer (MSRP $34.95)). > Adam Wah wondered aloud, "Do they still make Hippo Hands?" > No, nor the Quicksilver or Windjammer There are used sets > around. IIRC a set went or >$100 on eBay last winter. > Around town they're great but, at highway speed the wind pressure weighs > mightily on the back of your hand. > I had a set in the 70's which is why I'm working on making my own. I just received my order from Tandy Leather and I already have the wire frames from last year. I also picked up a hole punch. While a hammer, a screwdriver, a paperclip and long-nose pliers will do the job, I think the hole punch will be neater. > Adam wisely added, '"I also wear windproof mittens -- but over my regular > riding gloves. works fine for me, but electrics seem like the ideal way to > go. perhaps this winter i'll take that plunge." > *snip* > > The best electric set up is a pair of Gerbing gloves snagged at Heyser's > Fall clearance two-three years ago. > For those who missed Heysers this year, there was a large black Shoei 900 > for $170 and three red Arai in extra large for $250 > Plus many other bah-gans. > I'm thinking of the Gerbing stuff too. I've been eyeing the website and trying to talk myself into the vest and gloves. (I bought my first virgin bike (CB360T) at Heyser's in MD.) > Which brings up > "Moto Rag?" > > Evil Overlord Carl continued opining enthusiastically, > "Here are the ones I currently have in my possession:" > > You left out: > Winding Roads, Motorcycle Times. Really? Let me check... no no, I don't have those. Did you snag them from my collection? I don't remember seeing you at my place but it's a big house. I could have missed you. > Worth many times the price.* > It lists the local Mid-Atlantic open houses, sales, and such (e.g. Morton's > this week end) > Local happenings, and offerings from local authors > *O.K. it's free at many local shops but still worth seeking around the > first of every odd numbered month (e.g. Nine-member) > > Carl in Bethesda Well there's the problem. I'm not in Bethesda. Maybe you were thinking about the other Carl. Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 11:51:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GFpsO7015719; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:51:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GFpo8p015704; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:51:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:51:10 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: For Sale 99 R6 Warning SPAM.. 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Link to photos at bottom 1999 Yamaha R6 $ 4600 in Bethesda MD 6600 miles Scotts Steering damper M4 full exhaust system with proper jetting work Yamaha Shop manual New Ferodo platinum brake pads (new brake fluid too) Speedbleeders (front) Zero Gravity double bubble windshield (2 other tinted windshields also) Race Tech +10 linkage plates (for faster turn in) LP titanium exhaust bracket Pro line gel grips and tank protector swing arm Spools Frame sliders 208GP race tires (1 track day) also Metzler M1 sportec (2 track days) and Bridgestone BT56SS (4 track days) The bike has been very well mainland and is very clean, always garaged (stored inside house in winter) R4 synthetic oil (changed at 3800, 4800 and 5800 miles) carb synced, coolant flushed (now using Engine Ice) plugs, air falter etc. Right side has some scuffing from lowside (sliders took most of the damage) all is cosmetic, The bike was taken to GMD computrack (laser alignment) and everything was straight Used for track days but is still street legal. Email me at gcole@XXXXXX or call 301-523-4161 for info See link below for photos http://home2.nikonnet.com/servlet/com.arcsoft.LoginNew?com=arcsoftBanner&awp=index3.html&DIRECT=&USERNAME=gcole@XXXXXX&PASSWORD=nikoneditor_-1492990880&WHO=memberguest]http://home2.nikonnet.com/servlet/com.arcsoft.LoginNew?com=arcsoftBanner&awp=index3.html&DIRECT=&USERNAME=gcole@XXXXXX&PASSWORD=nikoneditor_-1492990880&WHO=memberguest From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 11:56:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GFugO7015762; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:56:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GFugRP015757; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:56:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52394AB@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT - cell phones Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:57:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Has anyone tried those "stickers" you put in-between your cell phone and the battery that are supposed to boost your signal? The reception at my new place is terrible. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 11:58:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GFwZO7015906; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:58:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GFwZMn015899; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:58:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002e01c2752b$7f6eb340$068a5b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Harley-Davidson profit jumps 48 pct Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:48:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 CBS MARKETWATCH TOP NEWS By Susan Kelly CHICAGO, Oct 15 (Reuters) - Harley-Davidson Inc. (HDI) on Tuesday posted a 48 percent rise in quarterly earnings, roaring past Wall Street forecasts, and kept production at full throttle amid robust demand for its legendary motorcycles. Special-edition motorcycles commemorating the company's 100th anniversary and better-than-expected sales of clothing and accessories helped drive the strong results, the company said. "Unlike with other motorcycles, with the Harley you are buying an image and lifestyle and camaraderie," said A.G. Edwards & Sons analyst Timothy Conder. Harley announced results after the closing bell on the New York Stock Exchange, and its shares surged $1.50 to trade at $54.50 in after-hours activity on the Instinet system. During the regular session, Harley shares rose 85 cents to close at $53. ...snip And 2001 industry street bike sales were said to be up by 28% (MC Industry Council). Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > No I'm not a Harley, miss. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 12:04:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GG4LO7016164; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:04:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GG4HrV016154; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:04:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Testing - sort of Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:04:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2002 16:04:10.0225 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9C84E10:01C2752D] I have been getting kicked off the list constantly for the last two days, due to some sort of Hotmail hiccup. According to the note from the list, there are a bunch of us Hotmailers getting dropped. I might get one or two messages, and then I get dropped. It's as if Hotmail can't resolve dc-cycles.org and rejects the connection. I have asked for Hotmail to look into it, but don't have much hope for a quick reaction on their part. Is anyone else seeing any strange e-mail bouncing, or delivery issues, associated with the list? Perry _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month.)B  Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 12:04:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GG4wO7016193; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:04:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GG4wxi016187; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:04:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:58:35 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT - cell phones MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2952F4D5.67E379D2.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yep. I've got one on my cell right now. It does seem to help in most places but, I work across the street from the FBI building and reception is piss-poor to begin with. They block everything that's two-way communication. Only regular pagers work here. It's a Nextel phone. I do get some reception in the hallway but, it disappears once I enter my office. I didn't get anything before I bought the booster. Scooter In a message dated 10/16/2002 10:57:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > > > Has anyone tried those "stickers" you put in-between your cell phone and the > battery that are supposed to boost your signal? The > reception at my new > place is terrible. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 12:09:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GG93O7016370; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:09:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GG9343016363; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:09:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:07:34 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Testing - sort of MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <57B78895.4AFE6F5B.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I get bounced from the list when I use the AOhelL software from home. AOhelL sends messages in an HTML/Text hybrid which acts like it's sending an attachment. Since our list blocks attachments, I get bounced. Anything from the AOhelL website works though. Scooter In a message dated 10/16/2002 11:04:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > > > I have been getting kicked off the list constantly for the last two days, > due to some sort of Hotmail hiccup. According to the note from the list, > there are a bunch of us Hotmailers getting dropped. I might get one or two > messages, and then I get dropped. It's as if Hotmail can't resolve > dc-cycles.org and rejects the connection. > > I have asked for Hotmail to look into it, but don't have much hope for a > quick reaction on their part. Is anyone else seeing any strange e-mail > bouncing, or delivery issues, associated with the list? > > Perry > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____ > Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 12:16:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GGGFO7016436; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:16:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GGGFNw016428; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:16:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'Mobacc \(now @ATT\)'" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Harley-Davidson profit jumps 48 pct Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:27:14 -0400 Message-ID: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F50200799A0@MAINSERVER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F5020082AB5@MAINSERVER> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 >> and its shares surged $1.50 to trade at $54.50 in after-hours activity on the Instinet system. During the regular session, Harley shares rose 85 cents to close at $53. I am no stock advisor so read at your own risk... I think Harley Davidson is one of the better stocks to buy for the long term. Traditionally the company goes through a 2-for-1 split when the stock is around $65-70 range and there is also a small dividend once or twice a year. Most of the stocks I own are down over the last year, but I'm making a wee bit of money off of Harley. Wouldn't mind owning more. Slow, steady progress then the big split; over the long term that can really, really add up. cheers, patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 12:16:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GGGvO7016469; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:16:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GGGuO5016465; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:16:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:15:30 -0400 Subject: Re: OT - cell phones From: Richard Westbrook To: Rich Hall , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52394AB@SERVER1> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2002 16:16:48.0733 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DE370D0:01C2752F] Don't waste your money. I work for a company that sells cell phones and wireless devices. Those things are a big joke around the company. I got one for free and put it on my phone and I saw no difference. Not to mention the fact they they cost pennies to make and they sell them for $10 bucks. -Rich > From: Rich Hall > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:57:51 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: OT - cell phones > > Has anyone tried those "stickers" you put in-between your cell phone and the > battery that are supposed to boost your signal? The reception at my new > place is terrible. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 12:20:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GGKmO7016517; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:20:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GGKmBl016512; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:20:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021016121930.01d5ffe0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:20:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: OT - cell phones In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52394AB@SERVER1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:57 AM 10/16/2002, Rich Hall wrote: >Has anyone tried those "stickers" you put in-between your cell phone and the >battery that are supposed to boost your signal? The reception at my new >place is terrible. yes I have. I put one in my cell phone and compared signal strength with my wifes phone which is an identical model to mine. zip..nada...not difference. You'll do better putting a metal colander on your head and standing by a window. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 13:35:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GHZLO7017038; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:35:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GHZKmq017028; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:35:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021016173513.17427.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:35:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Perry Coleman Subject: Trying a different email address To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Let's see if this works any better... Perry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 13:54:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GHsqO7017259; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:54:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GHsquq017252; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:54:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:53:16 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT - cell phones MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2821C0BC.0C9F61F6.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wow. Maybe Nextel's are the only phone they make a difference in. :-) Either that or the FBI stopped blocking certain signals. LOL Oh well. To each his own. Scooter In a message dated 10/16/2002 11:20:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > > > At 11:57 AM 10/16/2002, Rich Hall wrote: > >Has anyone tried those "stickers" you put in-between your cell phone and the > >battery that are supposed to boost your signal? The reception at my new > >place is terrible. > > > yes I have. I put one in my cell phone and compared signal strength with my > wifes phone which is an identical model to mine. > > zip..nada...not difference. > > You'll do better putting a metal colander on your head and > standing by a > window. > > -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 14:55:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GItFO7017980; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:55:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GItEQt017970; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:55:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:54:53 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: rwestbrook@XXXXXX, RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT - cell phones MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <55B796CA.7C1A8D23.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rich is right. It's just a sticker. Think about it... The sticker doesn't even connect to the antenna so how isn't suppost to boost the signal? I bought it myself and placed it on both my cell phones(one sprint and the other cigular) and it made no difference. they saw a sucker from a mile way. In a message dated 10/16/2002 11:15:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, rwestbrook@XXXXXX writes: > > > Don't waste your money. I work for a company that sells cell phones and > wireless devices. Those things are a big joke around the company. I got one > for free and put it on my phone and I saw no difference. > > Not to mention the fact they they cost pennies to make and they sell them > for $10 bucks. > > -Rich > > > From: Rich Hall > > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:57:51 -0400 > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: OT - cell phones > > > > Has anyone tried those "stickers" you put in-between your cell phone and the > > battery that are supposed to boost your signal? The > reception at my new > > place is terrible. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 16:23:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GKNfO7018556; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:23:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GKNdhS018526; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:23:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021016122845.0218e128@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:29:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: OT - cell phones In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021016121930.01d5ffe0@pop.east.cox.net> References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52394AB@SERVER1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:20 PM 10/16/2002, Aki Damme wrote: >>Has anyone tried those "stickers" you put in-between your cell phone and the >>battery that are supposed to boost your signal? The reception at my new >>place is terrible. > > >yes I have. I put one in my cell phone and compared signal strength with my >wifes phone which is an identical model to mine. > >zip..nada...not difference. > >You'll do better putting a metal colander on your head and standing by a >window. So ... Aki ... how big a difference did you see with the colander on your head? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 16:23:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GKNfO7018554; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:23:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GKNd78018520; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:23:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021016122934.0202a7b0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:30:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Budds Creek Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Headed down to Dameron, MD tomorrow morning for an installation. Anyone head South on 95 at 234 around 9am? How is traffic in the area? What time does it let up around 234/95? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 16:23:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GKNfO7018555; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:23:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GKNepw018533; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:23:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021016121721.02019718@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:18:15 -0400 To: Rich Hall From: Troutman Subject: Re: OT - cell phones Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52394AB@SERVER1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I tried one on my VoiceStream phone. Didn't help at all. I think they only work with analog phones - most new systems are digital. My phone isn't dual-function, so it didn't do squat :-( At 11:57 AM 10/16/2002, Rich Hall wrote: >Has anyone tried those "stickers" you put in-between your cell phone and the >battery that are supposed to boost your signal? The reception at my new >place is terrible. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 18:07:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GM7aO7019096; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:07:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GM7ZqP019086; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:07:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DADE46D.A91AA584@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:13:01 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: Rich Hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT - cell phones References: <5.2.0.5.0.20021016121721.02019718@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a Nokia and ATT service, don't have signal problems. Had crap signals with two previous phones and wireless services, both phones were donated to the police. Bill Troutman wrote: > I tried one on my VoiceStream phone. Didn't help at all. I think they > only work with analog phones - most new systems are digital. My phone > isn't dual-function, so it didn't do squat :-( > > At 11:57 AM 10/16/2002, Rich Hall wrote: > >Has anyone tried those "stickers" you put in-between your cell phone and the > >battery that are supposed to boost your signal? The reception at my new > >place is terrible. > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 18:13:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GMD9O7019159; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:13:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GMD9bB019151; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:13:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DAE0EDF.CEBA52E@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:14:08 -0700 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club- U.S.A. http:www.soc-usa.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: gloves for winter References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514E51@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> <02101606315719.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out002.verizon.net from [141.157.126.253] at Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:12:59 -0500 Here's something I've been thinking about getting to help keep my hands a little warmer this winter on those days that I don't use the electrics. http://www.nationalcycle.com/catalogue/FramesetDeflectors.html Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 18:22:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GMMFO7019339; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:22:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GMMEDc019329; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:22:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021016182117.01d87eb8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:22:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: OT - cell phones In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.5.0.20021016122845.0218e128@mail.troutman.org> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20021016121930.01d5ffe0@pop.east.cox.net> <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52394AB@SERVER1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:29 PM 10/16/2002, you wrote: >At 12:20 PM 10/16/2002, Aki Damme wrote: >>>Has anyone tried those "stickers" you put in-between your cell phone and the >>>battery that are supposed to boost your signal? The reception at my new >>>place is terrible. >> >> >>yes I have. I put one in my cell phone and compared signal strength with my >>wifes phone which is an identical model to mine. >> >>zip..nada...not difference. >> >>You'll do better putting a metal colander on your head and standing by a >>window. > >So ... Aki ... how big a difference did you see with the colander on your >head? it was wonderful! They said if I'm real good, they'll take me off the medication and release me soon! >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 18:46:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GMkgO7019497; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:46:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GMkgU7019489; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:46:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021016224639.55534.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:46:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: WHEELIE SCHOOL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Classic... Is this what Keith Code has come to be? I received this SPAM from his e-mail I seem to be on after attending a class a few years back. Glenn ************************************* Doing wheelies ranks high on the list of the most frivolous and decadent things in the history of Mankind! Want to learn how? ON ONE WHEEL will host its historic first wheelie school at Irwindale Raceway on the 18th of November 2002. Location: Irwindale Raceway, Irwindale, CA (20 minutes from downtown LA) Cost: $495 Bike: Kawasaki ZRX 1200 Session: All Day Students: 8 total Practice: Dozens of runs Date: 18 November 2002 Guarantee: You will wheelie No one knows why Keith developed the WHEELIE TRAINING BIKE but like the rest of his motorcycle training devices, it works great. The bike has two ANTI FLIP-OVER mechanisms: one kills the power and the other applies the rear brake. Your eyes will pop out of your head when it goes up--but flipping it won't be easy. Call or email now to reserve your spot--remember only 8 students total for the school. email back or Call (323) 224-2734 Ask for Whitney __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 19:56:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GNu2O7020171; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:56:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GNu29o020164; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:56:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DAE2707.6D5A46FE@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:57:11 -0700 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club- U.S.A. http:www.soc-usa.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop016.verizon.net from [141.157.126.253] at Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:55:51 -0500 Hi all, I've got a problem. I found a spy camera in my office. My boss is the loose cannon type so it;s probably him. While doing research on spy cameras in the work place I found this: http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,3169,00.html Which states this: (Maryland is among the few that require the consent of both sides, which landed Pentagon aide Linda Tripp in trouble for taping Monica Lewinsky.) Can anyone point me to the Md. Code or law that this refferes to? Thanks, Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 20:00:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9H003O7020218; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:00:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9H003p4020211; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:00:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002a01c2756f$6c335bc0$de6c2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Fork straightening Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:54:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I had a close encounter of the SUV kind yesterday, not while I was occupying the seat, thank goodness. The Mini-ceptor flopped over hard while parked. My wife witnessed it. Some minor bits here and there broken, but the worst damage seems to be the forks appear to be tweaked. The bike doesn't track straight. The perp seems keen not to "get insurance involved" and wants to give me a cash settlement. I prefer to buy the parts on the own and do the work myself. So, I would like some leads on where I can get quotes (locally preferred) on getting the fork tubes straightened. That's Plan A. Plan B is just to take it to a shop and have them deal with it and dun the insurance company. I prefer not to lots of downtime though, as this is my commute bike. Paul in DC 86 VF500F (slightly broken) - 95 VFR750F (prefers not to be used as a commuter) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 20:14:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9H0ElO7020318; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:14:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9H0ElUP020310; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:14:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DAE00A3.2000307@erols.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:13:23 -0400 From: Steve Price User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020618 Netscape/7.0b1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Fork straightening References: <002a01c2756f$6c335bc0$de6c2c42@D7XFG711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I bought a wrecked VFR that had crashed right behind me crossing Skyline drive. The fork tubes were tweaked and the lower tree and upper clamped were tweaked too. The lower tree was $200.00. So a friend suggested Computrac. Fortunately there is one located in Frederick. I took them up on thursday and they delivered them to me at Cycles USA the next day for $165.00. They were perfect. Steve Paul Wilson wrote: >I had a close encounter of the SUV kind yesterday, not while I was occupying >the seat, thank goodness. The Mini-ceptor flopped over hard while parked. >My wife witnessed it. Some minor bits here and there broken, but the worst >damage seems to be the forks appear to be tweaked. The bike doesn't track >straight. The perp seems keen not to "get insurance involved" and wants to >give me a cash settlement. I prefer to buy the parts on the own and do the >work myself. > >So, I would like some leads on where I can get quotes (locally preferred) on >getting the fork tubes straightened. That's Plan A. > >Plan B is just to take it to a shop and have them deal with it and dun the >insurance company. I prefer not to lots of downtime though, as this is my >commute bike. > >Paul in DC >86 VF500F (slightly broken) - 95 VFR750F (prefers not to be used as a >commuter) > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 20:46:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9H0kRO7020492; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:46:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9H0kRgl020485; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:46:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:40:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WHEELIE SCHOOL In-Reply-To: <20021016224639.55534.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021016173831.Y54707-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Classic... Is this what Keith Code has come to be? I > received this SPAM from his e-mail I seem to be on > after attending a class a few years back. > > Glenn I tried e-mailing a person there to ask to be removed from their mailing list, but no luck. I just added a filter and started sending the messages to /dev/null/ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 21:06:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9H16EO7020638; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:06:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9H16DY9020630; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:06:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Glenn Dysart Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WHEELIE SCHOOL Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:14:01 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20021016224639.55534.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021016224639.55534.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9H16CO7020613 $500 to learn to wheelie? Gottta wonder who these 8 guys are. It's almost too funny. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 21:11:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9H1BSO7020692; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:11:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9H1BR3o020685; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:11:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: Fork straightening Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:19:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <002a01c2756f$6c335bc0$de6c2c42@D7XFG711> In-Reply-To: <002a01c2756f$6c335bc0$de6c2c42@D7XFG711> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9H1BQO7020673 Take the bike to a shop. Get an estimate. Inform driver of estimate. If he doesn't cut you a check for that amount, call his insurance company. Then fix the bike yourself. If the repair cost is more than the value of the bike, let the insurance company pay you off and you buy it back pretty cheap. then fix the bike yourself. As far as forks misaligned. Loosen the upper and lower bolts that hold the forks in the clamps. straighten out the wheel alignment to the handle bars maybe by banging the tire against a curb. Then tighten the fork clamps bolts. Test ride to see if it's straight. repeat as neccesary until it's straight. This si a pretty common problem and solution for a lot of times w hen bikes hit the ground. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 21:25:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9H1P7O7020894; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:25:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9H1P7kk020886; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:25:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:25:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Fork straightening To: pawilson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <002a01c2756f$6c335bc0$de6c2c42@D7XFG711> In-Reply-To: <002a01c2756f$6c335bc0$de6c2c42@D7XFG711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It's possible that forks are twisted rather than bent. In which case loosen bolts and untwist. Worth trying unless forks are obviously bent. --garcia pawilson@XXXXXX writes: >I had a close encounter of the SUV kind yesterday, not while I was >occupying >the seat, thank goodness. The Mini-ceptor flopped over hard while parked. >My wife witnessed it. Some minor bits here and there broken, but the >worst >damage seems to be the forks appear to be tweaked. The bike doesn't track >straight. The perp seems keen not to "get insurance involved" and wants >to >give me a cash settlement. I prefer to buy the parts on the own and do >the >work myself. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 16 23:49:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9H3nDO7021716; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:49:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9H3nAc0021701; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:49:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:54:36 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WHEELIE SCHOOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > $500 to learn to wheelie? Gottta wonder who these 8 guys are. > It's almost too funny. $500 seems cheap compared to looping a bike, add to it a safe place to practice and some guidance... seems like a fair deal. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 06:23:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HAN9O7023981; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:23:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HAN8v2023973; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:23:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Subject: Re: gloves for winter Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:22:58 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514E51@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> <02101606315719.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3DAE0EDF.CEBA52E@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <3DAE0EDF.CEBA52E@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210170622581M.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 16 October 2002 21:14, Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: > Here's something I've been thinking about getting to help keep my hands a > little warmer this winter on those days that I don't use the electrics. > > > http://www.nationalcycle.com/catalogue/FramesetDeflectors.html > I looked into these and find that they don't work very well when it's cold. The breeze is coming up to the bottom of your wrist and up the handlebars. They probably work best blocking the rain. The ones I eventually made have a wire frame from about 1 inch above the top of your wrist around to the same location at the bottom of your wrist. It goes in front of the levers and since it's a wire frame, there's minimal interference with lever action. I'll take a couple of pictures and make them available. The first ones were sheets of aluminum cut into a similar shape as the second set wire frames. The second ones are leather over wire. I kept adding pieces to the frame as it got colder last year so I have the correct pattern now for a single piece (no gaps). They went from the end of the lever to the end of the handgrip assembly. I used foam to block the openings and protect the hardware. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 08:05:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HC58O7024632; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:05:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HC58Bm024624; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:05:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WHEELIE SCHOOL Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:13:02 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9HC56O7024612 maybe but i've got to wonder if they're better off learning how to ride their bike than wheelie one. On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:54:36 -0400 (EDT), dan wrote: >On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: >> $500 to learn to wheelie? Gottta wonder who these 8 guys are. >> It's almost too funny. > >$500 seems cheap compared to looping a bike, add to it a safe place to >practice and some guidance... seems like a fair deal. > >Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 08:40:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HCeaO7024847; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:40:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HCeZY2024840; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:40:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021017124033.95347.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 05:40:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Fork straightening To: Paul Wilson , DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: <002a01c2756f$6c335bc0$de6c2c42@D7XFG711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Be careful on the insurance bit. I trusted someone like that once and got burned. You really should have his insurance info in hand just in case. Mark --- Paul Wilson wrote: > I had a close encounter of the SUV kind yesterday, > not while I was occupying > the seat, thank goodness. The Mini-ceptor flopped > over hard while parked. > My wife witnessed it. Some minor bits here and > there broken, but the worst > damage seems to be the forks appear to be tweaked. > The bike doesn't track > straight. The perp seems keen not to "get insurance > involved" and wants to > give me a cash settlement. I prefer to buy the > parts on the own and do the > work myself. > > So, I would like some leads on where I can get > quotes (locally preferred) on > getting the fork tubes straightened. That's Plan A. > > Plan B is just to take it to a shop and have them > deal with it and dun the > insurance company. I prefer not to lots of downtime > though, as this is my > commute bike. > > Paul in DC > 86 VF500F (slightly broken) - 95 VFR750F (prefers > not to be used as a > commuter) > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 09:28:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HDSMO7025122; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:28:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HDSLFv025112; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:28:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:28:08 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WHEELIE SCHOOL MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7476B3D2.0B78A654.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I get'em too. I like the idea. Too bad I don't have the $$ or live near Irwindale or I would probably attend. ;-) Scooter (squid at heart) In a message dated 10/16/2002 5:46:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes: > > > Classic... Is this what Keith Code has come to be? I > received this SPAM from his e-mail I seem to be on > after attending a class a few years back. > > Glenn > > ************************************* > > Doing wheelies ranks high on the list of the most > frivolous and decadent > > things in the history of Mankind! > > Want to learn how? > > ON ONE WHEEL will host its historic first wheelie > school at Irwindale > > Raceway on the 18th of November 2002. > > Location: Irwindale Raceway, Irwindale, CA (20 minutes > from downtown LA) > > Cost: $495 > > Bike: Kawasaki ZRX 1200 > > Session: All Day > > Students: 8 total > > Practice: Dozens of runs > > Date: 18 November 2002 > > Guarantee: You will wheelie > > No one knows why Keith developed the WHEELIE TRAINING > BIKE but like the > > rest of his motorcycle training devices, it works > great. The bike has two > > ANTI FLIP-OVER mechanisms: one kills the power and the > other applies the > > rear brake. Your eyes will pop out of your head when > it goes up--but > > flipping it won't be easy. > > Call or email now to reserve your spot--remember only > 8 students total for > > the school. > > email back or Call (323) 224-2734 Ask for Whitney > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 10:41:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HEfvO7025611; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:41:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HEftd3025596; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:41:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:37:00 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: steven.dipietro@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <08524F7C.3A8CA9B6.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well...the librarian here at my office pointed me to findlaw.com. Go under Laws: Cases & Codes. I puttered a little and didn't find the specific law but, I did find a couple articles saying that employers have been convicted of doing that type of thing. The articles state that the employer does need to notify employees of it's intent to use cameras but, employee privacy takes precedence. Our librarian said that she'll look it up for me when she gets a free minute. I don't really know how to use those types of search engines. Feel free to give it a try. Scooter In a message dated 10/16/2002 9:57:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, steven.dipietro@XXXXXX writes: > > > Hi all, > I've got a problem. I found a spy camera in my office. My > boss is the loose cannon type so it;s probably him. While doing research > on spy cameras in the work place I found this: > > > http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,3169,00.html > > Which states this: > > (Maryland is among the few that require the consent of both sides, which > > landed Pentagon aide Linda Tripp in trouble for taping > Monica Lewinsky.) > > Can anyone point me to the Md. Code or law that this refferes to? > > > Thanks, > > Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 10:58:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HEwuO7025743; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:58:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HEwucv025736; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:58:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:58:56 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: steven.dipietro@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <053A93A6.59676B98.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here's one of the Codes she found. There were a couple more that basically state the same things. This one seemed to be the most detailed. I'm sure there are others. Scooter CRIMINAL LAW TITLE 3. OTHER CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON SUBTITLE 9. SURVEILLANCE AND OTHER CRIMES AGAINST PRIVACY =1; GO TO CODE ARCHIVE DIRECTORY FOR THIS JURISDICTION Md. CRIMINAL LAW Code Ann. )B§ 3-902 (2002) )B§ 3-902. Visual surveillance with prurient intent (a) Definitions. -- (1) In this section the following words have the meanings indicated. (2) "Camera" includes any electronic device that can be used surreptitiously to observe an individual. (3) "Private place" means a dressing room, bedroom, or rest room in: (i) an office, business, or store; (ii) a recreational facility; (iii) a restaurant or tavern; (iv) a hotel, motel, or other lodging facility; (v) a theater or sports arena; (vi) a school or other educational institution; (vii) a bank or other financial institution; (viii) any part of a day care home used for the care and custody of a child; or (ix) another place of public use or accommodation. (4) (i) "Visual surveillance" means the deliberate, surreptitious observation of an individual by any means. (ii) "Visual surveillance" includes surveillance by: 1. direct sight; 2. the use of mirrors; or 3. the use of cameras. (iii) "Visual surveillance" does not include a casual, momentary, or unintentional observation of an individual. (b) Scope of section. -- This section does not apply to a person who without prurient intent: (1) conducts filming by or for the print or broadcast media; (2) conducts or procures another to conduct visual surveillance of an individual to protect property or public safety or prevent crime; or (3) conducts visual surveillance and: (i) holds a license issued under Title 13 or Title 19 of the Business Occupations and Professions Article; and (ii) is acting within the scope of the person's occupation. (c) Prohibited. -- A person may not with prurient intent conduct or procure another to conduct visual surveillance of an individual in a private place without the consent of that individual. (d) Penalty. -- A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding $1,000 or both. (e) Civil action. -- (1) An individual who was under visual surveillance in violation of this section has a civil cause of action against any person who conducted or procured another to conduct the visual surveillance. (2) In an action under this subsection, the court may award actual damages and reasonable attorney's fees. (f) Other remedies. -- This section does not affect any legal or equitable right or remedy otherwise provided by law. (g) Effect of section. -- This section does not affect the application of )B§ 3-901 of this subtitle In a message dated 10/17/2002 9:37:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR writes: > > > Well...the librarian here at my office pointed me to findlaw.com. Go under Laws: Cases & Codes. I puttered a little and didn't find the specific law but, I did find a couple articles saying that employers have been convicted of doing that type of thing. The articles state that the employer does need to notify employees of it's intent to use cameras but, employee privacy takes precedence. > > Our librarian said that she'll look it up for me when she gets a free minute. I don't really know how to use those types of search engines. Feel free to give it a try. > > Scooter > > In a message dated 10/16/2002 9:57:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, steven.dipietro@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > I've got a problem. I found a spy camera in my office. My > > boss is the loose cannon type so it;s probably him. While doing research > > on spy cameras in the work place I found this: > > > > > > http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,3169,00.html > > > > Which states this: > > > > (Maryland is among the few that require the consent of both sides, which > > > > landed Pentagon aide Linda Tripp in trouble for taping > > Monica Lewinsky.) > > > > Can anyone point me to the Md. Code or law that this refferes to? > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 11:59:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HFxUO7026305; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:59:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HFxTGI026295; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:59:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DAEDFAA.6768A988@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:04:58 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX CC: steven.dipietro@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help References: <053A93A6.59676B98.0C9D3659@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The problem I see is the phrase "prurient intent", prurient meaning lewd. I'm sure Ze Boss could duck charges of privacy invasion unless he/she was caught drooling over vids of an employee playing pocket pool or doing the finger-diddle. Cameras for security reasons are acceptable (banks etc), but not secret survielance. I reckon bills have to be paid, but if I discovered a secreted vid camera staring at my work spot I'd have to pack my s**t and boogie. Bill ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Here's one of the Codes she found. There were a couple more that basically state the same things. This one seemed to be the most detailed. I'm sure there are others. > > Scooter > > CRIMINAL LAW > TITLE 3. OTHER CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON > SUBTITLE 9. SURVEILLANCE AND OTHER CRIMES AGAINST PRIVACY > > =1; GO TO CODE ARCHIVE DIRECTORY FOR THIS JURISDICTION > > Md. CRIMINAL LAW Code Ann. )B§ 3-902 (2002) > > )B§ 3-902. Visual surveillance with prurient intent > > (a) Definitions. -- > > (1) In this section the following words have the meanings indicated. > > (2) "Camera" includes any electronic device that can be used surreptitiously to observe an individual. > > (3) "Private place" means a dressing room, bedroom, or rest room in: > > (i) an office, business, or store; > > (ii) a recreational facility; > > (iii) a restaurant or tavern; > > (iv) a hotel, motel, or other lodging facility; > > (v) a theater or sports arena; > > (vi) a school or other educational institution; > > (vii) a bank or other financial institution; > > (viii) any part of a day care home used for the care and custody of a child; or > > (ix) another place of public use or accommodation. > > (4) (i) "Visual surveillance" means the deliberate, surreptitious observation of an individual by any means. > > (ii) "Visual surveillance" includes surveillance by: > > 1. direct sight; > > 2. the use of mirrors; or > > 3. the use of cameras. > > (iii) "Visual surveillance" does not include a casual, momentary, or unintentional observation of an individual. > > (b) Scope of section. -- This section does not apply to a person who without prurient intent: > > (1) conducts filming by or for the print or broadcast media; > > (2) conducts or procures another to conduct visual surveillance of an individual to protect property or public safety or prevent crime; or > > (3) conducts visual surveillance and: > > (i) holds a license issued under Title 13 or Title 19 of the Business Occupations and Professions Article; and > > (ii) is acting within the scope of the person's occupation. > > (c) Prohibited. -- A person may not with prurient intent conduct or procure another to conduct visual surveillance of an individual in a private place without the consent of that individual. > > (d) Penalty. -- A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding $1,000 or both. > > (e) Civil action. -- > > (1) An individual who was under visual surveillance in violation of this section has a civil cause of action against any person who conducted or procured another to conduct the visual surveillance. > > (2) In an action under this subsection, the court may award actual damages and reasonable attorney's fees. > > (f) Other remedies. -- This section does not affect any legal or equitable right or remedy otherwise provided by law. > > (g) Effect of section. -- This section does not affect the application of )B§ 3-901 of this subtitle > > In a message dated 10/17/2002 9:37:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR writes: > > > > > > > Well...the librarian here at my office pointed me to findlaw.com. Go under Laws: Cases & Codes. I puttered a little and didn't find the specific law but, I did find a couple articles saying that employers have been convicted of doing that type of thing. The articles state that the employer does need to notify employees of it's intent to use cameras but, employee privacy takes precedence. > > > > Our librarian said that she'll look it up for me when she gets a free minute. I don't really know how to use those types of search engines. Feel free to give it a try. > > > > Scooter > > > > In a message dated 10/16/2002 9:57:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, steven.dipietro@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > I've got a problem. I found a spy camera in my office. My > > > boss is the loose cannon type so it;s probably him. While doing research > > > on spy cameras in the work place I found this: > > > > > > > > > http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,3169,00.html > > > > > > Which states this: > > > > > > (Maryland is among the few that require the consent of both sides, which > > > > > > landed Pentagon aide Linda Tripp in trouble for taping > > > Monica Lewinsky.) > > > > > > Can anyone point me to the Md. Code or law that this refferes to? > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 12:09:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HG9jO7026492; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:09:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HG9gIl026476; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:09:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021017160940.85431.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:09:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, steven.dipietro@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <053A93A6.59676B98.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii what's wrong with putting a video camera at work to record activities of employees and customers? it ain't in the shitter, is it? --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Here's one of the Codes she found. There were a couple > more that basically state the same things. This one > seemed to be the most detailed. I'm sure there are > others. > > Scooter > > CRIMINAL LAW > TITLE 3. OTHER CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON > SUBTITLE 9. SURVEILLANCE AND OTHER CRIMES AGAINST > PRIVACY __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 12:10:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HGAHO7026536; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:10:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HGAGDn026531; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:10:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:10:00 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WHEELIE SCHOOL MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1229976A.093E1E0C.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit bet i would be able to loop their bikes. :p it sounds like fun. i would like the bet the bike are covered in fur and the session are tought by star boys. lol damn i want to go now... but in cali. :( In a message dated 10/17/2002 8:28:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR writes: > > > I get'em too. I like the idea. Too bad I don't have the $$ or live near Irwindale or I would probably attend. ;-) > > Scooter (squid at heart) > > In a message dated 10/16/2002 5:46:39 PM Eastern Standard > Time, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > Classic... Is this what Keith Code has come to be? I > > received this SPAM from his e-mail I seem to be on > > after attending a class a few years back. > > > > Glenn > > > > ************************************* > > > > Doing wheelies ranks high on the list of the most > > frivolous and decadent > > > > things in the history of Mankind! > > > > Want to learn how? > > > > ON ONE WHEEL will host its historic first wheelie > > school at Irwindale > > > > Raceway on the 18th of November 2002. > > > > Location: Irwindale Raceway, Irwindale, CA (20 minutes > > from downtown LA) > > > > Cost: $495 > > > > Bike: Kawasaki ZRX 1200 > > > > Session: All Day > > > > Students: 8 total > > > > Practice: Dozens of runs > > > > Date: 18 November 2002 > > > > Guarantee: You will wheelie > > > > No one knows why Keith developed the WHEELIE TRAINING > > BIKE but like the > > > > rest of his motorcycle training devices, it works > > great. The bike has two > > > > ANTI FLIP-OVER mechanisms: one kills the power and the > > other applies the > > > > rear brake. Your eyes will pop out of your head when > > it goes up--but > > > > flipping it won't be easy. > > > > Call or email now to reserve your spot--remember only > > 8 students total for > > > > the school. > > > > email back or Call (323) 224-2734 Ask for Whitney > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > > http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 12:20:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HGKOO7027042; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:20:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HGKNCq027034; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:20:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01b201c275f9$19c2d2a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Tom Gimer" , "dc-cycles list" References: <20021017160940.85431.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:20:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Correct, it appears the Maryland statute applies only to "private" areas like restrooms, changing rooms, etc. if used for "prurient" purposes. That would seem to indicate cameras in fitting rooms to monitor shop lifters is OK too. Cameras in the open cube-scape and individual offices would pass muster if I'm reading it right. Obnoxious and Big Brother-ish, yes, illegal, no. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" > what's wrong with putting a video camera at work to record > activities of employees and customers? it ain't in the > shitter, is it? > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 12:51:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HGpvO7027346; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:51:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HGpvJP027338; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:51:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DAEEBF7.2C13EB39@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:57:27 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles list Subject: Re: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help References: <20021017160940.85431.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> <01b201c275f9$19c2d2a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I seem to recall cameras in fitting rooms are bad do-do, and stores have been sued and cited for that. If employees are made awre that their workspace is being survieled, and they agree to work there, okay, but this secret camera crap doesn't work for me. Methinks I'd be tempted to rip the damn camera off the wall and jam it up the boss man's anal orfice - with a sledgehammer. Bill Paul Wilson wrote: > Correct, it appears the Maryland statute applies only to "private" areas > like restrooms, changing rooms, etc. if used for "prurient" purposes. That > would seem to indicate cameras in fitting rooms to monitor shop lifters is > OK too. Cameras in the open cube-scape and individual offices would pass > muster if I'm reading it right. Obnoxious and Big Brother-ish, yes, > illegal, no. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Gimer" > > > what's wrong with putting a video camera at work to record > > activities of employees and customers? it ain't in the > > shitter, is it? > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 12:56:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HGuuO7027405; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:56:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HGuuM1027398; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:56:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:56:48 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664091C3@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help Thread-Index: AcJ1/ah8AkipVSLDScy88weiGLOw4AAAEKMM From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "William J. Huson" , "Paul Wilson" Cc: "Tom Gimer" , "dc-cycles list" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9HGutO7027386 Disassemble the camera and ebay it. If it's a good model, you can fetch a few hundred bucks. Witold -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thu 10/17/2002 12:57 PM To: Paul Wilson Cc: Tom Gimer; dc-cycles list Subject: Re: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help I seem to recall cameras in fitting rooms are bad do-do, and stores have been sued and cited for that. If employees are made awre that their workspace is being survieled, and they agree to work there, okay, but this secret camera crap doesn't work for me. Methinks I'd be tempted to rip the damn camera off the wall and jam it up the boss man's anal orfice - with a sledgehammer. Bill Paul Wilson wrote: > Correct, it appears the Maryland statute applies only to "private" areas > like restrooms, changing rooms, etc. if used for "prurient" purposes. That > would seem to indicate cameras in fitting rooms to monitor shop lifters is > OK too. Cameras in the open cube-scape and individual offices would pass > muster if I'm reading it right. Obnoxious and Big Brother-ish, yes, > illegal, no. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Gimer" > > > what's wrong with putting a video camera at work to record > > activities of employees and customers? it ain't in the > > shitter, is it? > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 13:06:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HH6HO7027497; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:06:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HH6G4g027486; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:06:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:05:41 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: steven.dipietro@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3F0735AE.0DF20C37.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The main thing I found wrong with this was that it doesn't seem to pertain to workplaces. Our librarian said she just picked a couple that had video surveillence listed and forwarded them. I'm sure there is something in the codes or else none of the articles I found would be there. Somebody more knowledgable with reading through these things can probably find it. Scooter In a message dated 10/17/2002 11:04:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > The problem I see is the phrase "prurient intent", prurient meaning lewd. I'm sure Ze Boss could duck charges of privacy invasion unless he/she was caught drooling over vids of an employee playing pocket pool or doing the finger-diddle. > > Cameras for security reasons are acceptable (banks etc), but not secret survielance. I reckon bills have to be paid, but if I discovered a secreted vid camera staring at my work spot I'd have to pack my s**t and boogie. > > Bill > > ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Here's one of the Codes she found. There were a couple more that basically state the same things. This one seemed to be the most detailed. I'm sure there are others. > > > > Scooter > > > > CRIMINAL LAW > > TITLE 3. OTHER CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON > > SUBTITLE 9. SURVEILLANCE AND OTHER CRIMES AGAINST PRIVACY > > > > =1; GO TO CODE ARCHIVE DIRECTORY FOR THIS JURISDICTION > > > > Md. CRIMINAL LAW Code Ann. )B§ 3-902 (2002) > > > > )B§ 3-902. Visual surveillance with prurient intent > > > > (a) Definitions. -- > > > > (1) In this section the following words have the meanings indicated. > > > > (2) "Camera" includes any electronic device that can be used surreptitiously to observe an individual. > > > > (3) "Private place" means a dressing room, bedroom, or rest room in: > > > > (i) an office, business, or store; > > > > (ii) a recreational facility; > > > > (iii) a restaurant or tavern; > > > > (iv) a hotel, motel, or other lodging facility; > > > > (v) a theater or sports arena; > > > > (vi) a school or other educational institution; > > > > (vii) a bank or other financial institution; > > > > (viii) any part of a day care home used for the care and custody of a child; or > > > > (ix) another place of public use or accommodation. > > > > (4) (i) "Visual surveillance" means the deliberate, surreptitious observation of an individual by any means. > > > > (ii) "Visual surveillance" includes surveillance by: > > > > 1. direct sight; > > > > 2. the use of mirrors; or > > > > 3. the use of cameras. > > > > (iii) "Visual surveillance" does not include a casual, momentary, or unintentional observation of an individual. > > > > (b) Scope of section. -- This section does not apply to a person who without prurient intent: > > > > (1) conducts filming by or for the print or broadcast media; > > > > (2) conducts or procures another to conduct visual surveillance of an individual to protect property or public safety or prevent crime; or > > > > (3) conducts visual surveillance and: > > > > (i) holds a license issued under Title 13 or Title 19 of the Business Occupations and Professions Article; and > > > > (ii) is acting within the scope of the person's occupation. > > > > (c) Prohibited. -- A person may not with prurient intent conduct or procure another to conduct visual surveillance of an individual in a privaate place without the consent of that individual. > > > > (d) Penalty. -- A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding $1,000 or both. > > > > (e) Civil action. -- > > > > (1) An individual who was under visual surveillance in violation of this section has a civil cause of action against any person who conducted or procured another to conduct the visual surveillance. > > > > (2) In an action under this subsection, the court may award actual damages and reasonable attorney's fees. > > > > (f) Other remedies. -- This section does not affect any legal or equitable right or remedy otherwise provided by law. > > > > (g) Effect of section. -- This section does not affect the application of )B§ 3-901 of this subtitle > > > > In a message dated 10/17/2002 9:37:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR writes: > > > > > > > > > > > Well...the librarian here at my office pointed me to findlaw.com. Go under Laws: Cases & Codes. I puttered a little and didn't find the specific law but, I did find a couple articles saying that employers have been convicted of doing that type of thing. The articles state that the employer does need to notify employees of it's intent to use cameras but, employee privacy takes precedence. > > > > > > Our librarian said that she'll look it up for me when she gets a free minute. I don't really know how to use those types of search engines. Feel free to give it a try. > > > > > > Scooter > > > > > > In a message dated 10/16/2002 9:57:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, steven.dipietro@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I've got a problem. I found a spy camera in my office. My > > > > boss is the loose cannon type so it;s probably him. While doing research > > > > on spy cameras in the work place I found this: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,3169,00.html > > > > > > > > Which states this: > > > > > > > > (Maryland is among the few that require the consent of both sides, which > > > > > > > > landed Pentagon aide Linda Tripp in trouble for taping > > > > Monica Lewinsky.) > > > > > > > > Can anyone point me to the Md. Code or law that this > refferes to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 13:07:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HH7UO7027525; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:07:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HH7Uax027520; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:07:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:07:00 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: STmaven@XXXXXX, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WHEELIE SCHOOL MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2494C380.62C3A76A.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If it ever makes it to this area, I might consider it. :-) Scooter (squid at heart) In a message dated 10/17/2002 11:10:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, STmaven writes: > > > bet i would be able to loop their bikes. :p it sounds like fun. i would like the bet the bike are covered in fur and the session are tought by star boys. lol damn i want to go now... but in cali. :( > > In a message dated 10/17/2002 8:28:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR writes: > > > > > > > I get'em too. I like the idea. Too bad I don't have the > $$ or live near Irwindale or I would probably attend. ;-) > > > > Scooter (squid at heart) > > > > In a message dated 10/16/2002 5:46:39 PM Eastern Standard > > Time, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > > Classic... Is this what Keith Code has come to be? I > > > received this SPAM from his e-mail I seem to be on > > > after attending a class a few years back. > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > ************************************* > > > > > > Doing wheelies ranks high on the list of the most > > > frivolous and decadent > > > > > > things in the history of Mankind! > > > > > > Want to learn how? > > > > > > ON ONE WHEEL will host its historic first wheelie > > > school at Irwindale > > > > > > Raceway on the 18th of November 2002. > > > > > > Location: Irwindale Raceway, Irwindale, CA (20 minutes > > > from downtown LA) > > > > > > Cost: $495 > > > > > > Bike: Kawasaki ZRX 1200 > > > > > > Session: All Day > > > > > > Students: 8 total > > > > > > Practice: Dozens of runs > > > > > > Date: 18 November 2002 > > > > > > Guarantee: You will wheelie > > > > > > No one knows why Keith developed the WHEELIE TRAINING > > > BIKE but like the > > > > > > rest of his motorcycle training devices, it works > > > great. The bike has two > > > > > > ANTI FLIP-OVER mechanisms: one kills the power and the > > > other applies the > > > > > > rear brake. Your eyes will pop out of your head when > > > it goes up--but > > > > > > flipping it won't be easy. > > > > > > Call or email now to reserve your spot--remember only > > > 8 students total for > > > > > > the school. > > > > > > email back or Call (323) 224-2734 Ask for Whitney > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > > > http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 13:10:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HHAjO7027585; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:10:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HHAjLm027576; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:10:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:10:19 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: bhuson@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX Cc: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <49A852DD.7E17B33A.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Maybe have a picture taking of you from the cameras angle and stick it in front of the lense. Or maybe even stick another kind of picture up in front of it. Use your imagination. Some fun can be had with this. :-) What's the boss gonna do? Come to your office and say something about it? Scooter In a message dated 10/17/2002 11:57:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > I seem to recall cameras in fitting rooms are bad do-do, and stores have been > sued and cited for that. If employees are made awre that their workspace is > being survieled, and they agree to work there, okay, but this secret camera > crap doesn't work for me. Methinks I'd be tempted to rip the damn camera off > the wall and jam it up the boss man's anal orfice - with a sledgehammer. > > Bill > > > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > Correct, it appears the Maryland statute applies only to "private" areas > > like restrooms, changing rooms, etc. if used for "prurient" purposes. That > > would seem to indicate cameras in fitting rooms to monitor shop lifters is > > OK too. Cameras in the open cube-scape and individual offices would pass > > muster if I'm reading it right. Obnoxious and Big Brother-ish, yes, > > illegal, no. > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tom Gimer" > > > > > what's wrong with putting a video camera at work to > record > > > activities of employees and customers? it ain't in the > > > shitter, is it? > > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 13:16:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HHG4O7027640; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:16:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HHG3mi027632; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:16:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021017171556.11381.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Perry Coleman Subject: Re: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <49A852DD.7E17B33A.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hmmm...Well, if it is a wireless camera, maybe you can find the frequency it's on and send your own feed... ;^) You could feed it a running loop of you sitting at your desk work diligently, for instance. I would think the best thing is to act with the knowledge that it is there, because otherwise you may end up with one that you don't know is there. Perry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 13:50:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HHoWO7027853; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:50:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HHoWXL027846; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:50:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:50:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200210171350.AA1294729486@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help X-Mailer: This seems to have a lot of potential. Depending where the camera is, perhaps now's the time to relocate a large potted plant, or put up an American flag, or move a bulletin board. Seems that there's got to be a number of "innocent" responses that would be effective but not necessarily indicate the camera's existence is known. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:10:19 -0400 >Maybe have a picture taking of you from the cameras angle and stick it in front of the lense. Or maybe even stick another kind of picture up in front of it. Use your imagination. Some fun can be had with this. :-) What's the boss gonna do? Come to your office and say something about it? > >Scooter > >In a message dated 10/17/2002 11:57:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > >> >> >> I seem to recall cameras in fitting rooms are bad do-do, and stores have been >> sued and cited for that. If employees are made awre that their workspace is >> being survieled, and they agree to work there, okay, but this secret camera >> crap doesn't work for me. Methinks I'd be tempted to rip the damn camera off >> the wall and jam it up the boss man's anal orfice - with a sledgehammer. >> >> Bill >> >> >> Paul Wilson wrote: >> >> > Correct, it appears the Maryland statute applies only to "private" areas >> > like restrooms, changing rooms, etc. if used for "prurient" purposes. That >> > would seem to indicate cameras in fitting rooms to monitor shop lifters is >> > OK too. Cameras in the open cube-scape and individual offices would pass >> > muster if I'm reading it right. Obnoxious and Big Brother-ish, yes, >> > illegal, no. >> > >> > Paul in DC >> > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Tom Gimer" >> > >> > > what's wrong with putting a video camera at work to >> record >> > > activities of employees and customers? it ain't in the >> > > shitter, is it? >> > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 14:10:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HIAMO7028051; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:10:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HIALJ0028041; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:10:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000c01c27608$6faf71a0$0e0314ac@ddlomni.com> From: "Jon Strang" To: References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52394AB@SERVER1> Subject: Re: OT - cell phones Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:10:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2002 18:10:11.0939 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F540B30:01C27608] don't waste your money. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Hall" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:57 AM Subject: OT - cell phones > Has anyone tried those "stickers" you put in-between your cell phone and the > battery that are supposed to boost your signal? The reception at my new > place is terrible. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 14:22:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HIM2O7028255; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:22:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HIM1kW028248; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:22:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004801c2760a$12985980$0e0314ac@ddlomni.com> From: "Jon Strang" To: References: <002a01c2756f$6c335bc0$de6c2c42@D7XFG711> Subject: Re: Fork straightening Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:21:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2002 18:21:54.0988 (UTC) FILETIME=[1260CEC0:01C2760A] twisted or bent? From you description, sounds like twisted, which is no big deal. If they're twisted, loosen up front axle pinch bolts and triple-tree clamps (not all the way off, but enough to let them move). Sit on the front wheel (hold it with your knees) and force the bars to line up with the front wheel. Tighten up the triple tree. Use a torque wrench, it's easier than you think to put a fork tube out of round. Clamp down on the front brake while sitting on the bike and force the suspension through a few complete strokes to line up the front axle in the pinch bolts. Tighten the pinch bolts. Again, use proper torque values (way less than you would think). If bent, I've heard of minor bends being straightened...have to go to a bike shop. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 7:54 PM Subject: Fork straightening > I had a close encounter of the SUV kind yesterday, not while I was occupying > the seat, thank goodness. The Mini-ceptor flopped over hard while parked. > My wife witnessed it. Some minor bits here and there broken, but the worst > damage seems to be the forks appear to be tweaked. The bike doesn't track > straight. The perp seems keen not to "get insurance involved" and wants to > give me a cash settlement. I prefer to buy the parts on the own and do the > work myself. > > So, I would like some leads on where I can get quotes (locally preferred) on > getting the fork tubes straightened. That's Plan A. > > Plan B is just to take it to a shop and have them deal with it and dun the > insurance company. I prefer not to lots of downtime though, as this is my > commute bike. > > Paul in DC > 86 VF500F (slightly broken) - 95 VFR750F (prefers not to be used as a > commuter) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 16:40:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HKeLO7029295; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:40:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HKeKFF029285; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:40:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021017204005.37447.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:40:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: steven.dipietro@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3F0735AE.0DF20C37.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the one thing you guys are all failing to consider is that the employer is not "delivering" (selling, renting, distributing, or circulating) these sounds or images. see md. code criminal law section 7-308, the section applicable to the facts as previously recited. --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > The main thing I found wrong with this was that it > doesn't seem to pertain to workplaces. Our librarian > said she just picked a couple that had video surveillence > listed and forwarded them. I'm sure there is something > in the codes or else none of the articles I found would > be there. Somebody more knowledgable with reading > through these things can probably find it. > > Scooter __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 17:08:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9HL83O7029467; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:08:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9HL83Ec029459; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:08:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:07:44 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: steven.dipietro@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <13C14A7E.70295590.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank you Tom. I know someone on the list had a better understanding of these codes than I do. :-) Scooter In a message dated 10/17/2002 3:40:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > the one thing you guys are all failing to consider is that > the employer is not "delivering" (selling, renting, > distributing, or circulating) these sounds or images. see > md. code criminal law section 7-308, the section applicable > to the facts as previously recited. > > > > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > The main thing I found wrong with this was that it > > doesn't seem to pertain to workplaces. Our librarian > > said she just picked a couple that had video surveillence > > listed and forwarded them. I'm sure there is something > > in the codes or else none of the articles I found would > > be there. Somebody more knowledgable with reading > > through these things can probably find it. > > > > Scooter > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 20:23:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9I0NCO7031090; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:23:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9I0NBPi031080; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:23:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:21:04 -0400 From: Lisa Goddard Subject: OT, hidden camera To: dccycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I agree with Perry, his approach seems like a good one. It reminds me of the last company I worked for. There were security cameras at all doors to the office. Often there were cube dividers near the camera. I always wanted to use the cube dividers to stage puppet shows for the folks viewing the footage. The other thing I always meant to do but never got around to it was to mark off with masking tape the outside perimeter of the cameras viewing areas. I had access to the room with the monitor so I felt I should share that knowledge with everyone. I had a chat with the folks who came to the office to install the cameras. They were telling me that it was common for them to dress up as HVAC repairmen or plumbers or something like that to hide the fact that they were installing cameras. Kind of scary. Lisa '95 VFR Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Perry Coleman Subject: Re: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hmmm...Well, if it is a wireless camera, maybe you can find the frequency it's on and send your own feed... ;^) You could feed it a running loop of you sitting at your desk work diligently, for instance. I would think the best thing is to act with the knowledge that it is there, because otherwise you may end up with one that you don't know is there. Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 17 20:51:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9I0p5O7031261; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:51:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9I0p5EM031253; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:51:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DAF8576.1159D83E@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:52:23 -0700 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club- U.S.A. http:www.soc-usa.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help References: <20021017160940.85431.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out001.verizon.net from [141.157.122.27] at Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:50:54 -0500 Tom Gimer wrote: > what's wrong with putting a video camera at work to record > activities of employees and customers? it ain't in the > shitter, is it? > > No, it's not in the can, it's pointed at me at my desk. I wouldn't object if I had forknowlege that my office was being watched. I talked to HR and Security and both were in shock at what I had found. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 18 07:44:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9IBiAO7002449; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:44:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9IBi8aD002439; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:44:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DAFF546.9ED7809C@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:49:27 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" CC: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help References: <053A93A6.59676B98.0C9D3659@aol.com> <3DAEDFAA.6768A988@patriot.net> <3DAF8418.59CE31B0@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whoa! Sick puppy! How many other employees have a spy camera in their workspace? If they're everywhere y`all should mount a class grievance action. Although most all the gay/lesbian folks I know are great people, he could be a bad apple. Purient intent? Maybe he gets off viewing his stud muffin selection of the month. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 18 08:52:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ICqpO7002788; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:52:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ICqpnl002780; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:52:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514E8C@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'pawilson@XXXXXX'" Subject: Fork straightening Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:53:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Paul Wilson wondered, If they're bent, try :Forks by Frank" http://www.quikpage.com/F/frankmain/ They've gotten good reviews and even Winding Roads/Motorcycle Times carries their ad (One of few mail-order ads) For fork seals sets (might as well) etc. Dave Dodge (Dodge Racing Products) in NC has reasonable prices for V-4 parts and helpful advice comes with the parts. drp123@XXXXXX You can get V-4 parts slightly cheaper from Service Honda -- if you have the part number (have the fish?) -- but no advice. Carl in Bethesda (Brrr, chilly on the 'Ceptor this morning; love that Sabre's shield) Memphis Shades shield FS $60 Red-gradient Santa Fe(?) for round headlight -- off of a NightHawk http://www.memphisshades.com/santafe-main.html Amazing hardware. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 18 10:00:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9IE0nO7003290; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:00:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9IE0mLi003277; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:00:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SPY CAM Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:59:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2002 13:59:41.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AF352E0:01C276AE] Spy Cam + Shaving Cream = Obscured Spy Cam Spray paint, cooking spray... whatever also works. Never meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband.)B  Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 18 10:51:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9IEpWO7003666; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:51:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9IEpWPc003659; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:51:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Corbin Seats Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:51:20 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210181051202L.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ok, here's my tale of woe with Coleman Power Spurts... I mean Corbin. On July 30th, I placed my order with Corbin for a Classic Solo Saddle (STO-S). I figure about a month, month and a half for deliver since their site said they were at Sturgis. About a week later, while looking at the site, I found a bit of text that said an expected delivery date would be in the confirmation e-mail. I checked and didn't find it so I sent a question to Corbin. I received two replies. The second one was from Ariana. She said that based on my comments, I should have the "Classic Close Solo Saddle" (STO-SC). She was going to change my order and told me to let her know if that was wrong. My reply was that I am a tall guy and didn't think I should have a "Close Solo". I asked that she call me if she was not clear about my request. So Sept 1st rolls around and I have a new seat. It's black and a close solo (I requested a red seat). I tried the close solo just to make sure and then proceeded to try and call Corbin. Mike at Corbin and I exchanged voice messages Monday through Wednesday. I didn't get a return call Wednesday or Thursday. On Friday, I happened to be in the Virtual Bar and commented on an existing Corbin seat thread. Monday I received an e-mail from Octavio at Corbin apologizing for not getting the order right when we talked on the phone (well, I ordered it from the web page and didn't speak to anyone). I called him back. He sent out a UPS call tag and it was on its way back to Corbin by Friday. I told him that we were going on a bike trip and that I was looking forward to having it for the ride. He said he'd try to get it to me in time and that he'd call back with a status. No call back and yesterday I sent an e-mail to Octavio telling him that if I didn't get a status by today, I was going to call in and cancel my order. When I got home yesterday there was a box from Corbin waiting for me. Woo Hoo! But, the box is long and narrow and looks nothing like the square box I got with the smaller Close Solo. I figured immediately that it was the wrong seat but I checked it out anyway. It was a Road King seat. So I called Octavio again. I asked him to pull up my original order. He asked for the Invoice number but I again told him to get the original order. He asked if I got the Road King seat and I told him that it was because I got the Road King seat that I wanted him to look at my original order. He found the original order and began apologizing. It seems that he had two complaints and put the wrong information on my sheet. So he said he'll get the seat made today and FedEx'd so that I get it tomorrow. Want to bet that I won't see it tomorrow? Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 18 11:06:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9IF6GO7003804; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:06:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9IF6Gqd003796; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:06:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:06:03 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: steven.dipietro@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT- Non Bike related - Md law help MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <18B1194D.165CD0EA.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well done. I'd say you took the best solution to the entire problem. People hate it when HR gets involved. :-) Scooter In a message dated 10/17/2002 10:46:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, steven.dipietro@XXXXXX writes: > > > Bill and Scooter, > > I've attatched a picture of the camera taken from the seat of my desk. I spoke to HR and she's going to have me moved out from under this loose cannon that's pointed directly at me. I'll be reporting to someone else. Yeah! The camera is getting removed too. When I confronted my boss, he said that the camera wasn't hooked up to anything yet. LOL > This is all due to the fact that I'am Hetero, and that dosen't please my boss. He likes to have his "friends" working under him. This guy can give gay people a bad rap.Thank > goodness I know better. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 18 11:30:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9IFUdO7003946; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:30:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9IFUcVI003936; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:30:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:30:34 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Corbin Seats MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <12511F77.504AB995.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hmmmm.....I had no problems when I ordered my seat from them. I ordered a red and white seat with black piping for the R6. Got it about a month later just like they said. You never know, they just might surprise you and have it there tomorrow. Let us know either way. Scooter In a message dated 10/18/2002 9:51:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > Ok, here's my tale of woe with Coleman Power Spurts... I mean Corbin. > > On July 30th, I placed my order with Corbin for a Classic Solo Saddle > (STO-S). I figure about a month, month and a half for deliver since their > site said they were at Sturgis. > > About a week later, while looking at the site, I found a bit of text that > said an expected delivery date would be in the confirmation e-mail. I checked > and didn't find it so I sent a question to Corbin. > > I received two replies. The second one was from Ariana. She said that based > on my comments, I should have the "Classic Close Solo Saddle" (STO-SC). She > was going to change my order and told me to let her know if that was wrong. > > My reply was that I am a tall guy and didn't think I should have a "Close > Solo". I asked that she call me if she was not clear about my request. > > So Sept 1st rolls around and I have a new seat. It's black and a close solo > (I requested a red seat). I tried the close solo just to make sure and then > proceeded to try and call Corbin. > > Mike at Corbin and I exchanged voice messages Monday through Wednesday. I > didn't get a return call Wednesday or Thursday. On Friday, I happened to be > in the Virtual Bar and commented on an existing Corbin seat thread. > > Monday I received an e-mail from Octavio at Corbin apologizing for not > getting the order right when we talked on the phone (well, I ordered it from > the web page and didn't speak to anyone). > > I called him back. He sent out a UPS call tag and it was on its way back to > Corbin by Friday. > > I told him that we were going on a bike trip and that I was looking forward > to having it for the ride. He said he'd try to get it to me in time and that > he'd call back with a status. > > No call back and yesterday I sent an e-mail to Octavio telling him that if I > didn't get a status by today, I was going to call in and cancel my order. > > When I got home yesterday there was a box from Corbin waiting for me. Woo > Hoo! But, the box is long and narrow and looks nothing like the square box I > got with the smaller Close Solo. I figured immediately that it was the wrong > seat but I checked it out anyway. > > It was a Road King seat. > > So I called Octavio again. I asked him to pull up my original order. He asked > for the Invoice number but I again told him to get the original order. He > asked if I got the Road King seat and I told him that it was because I got > the Road King seat that I wanted him to look at my original order. > > He found the original order and began apologizing. It seems that he had two > complaints and put the wrong information on my sheet. > > So he said he'll get the seat made today and FedEx'd so that I get it > tomorrow. > > Want to bet that I won't see it tomorrow? > > Evil Overlord Carl > -- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and > address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 18 12:17:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9IGHmO7004249; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:17:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9IGHlYZ004242; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:17:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB03574.4EF0692E@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:23:16 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX CC: cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Corbin Seats References: <12511F77.504AB995.0C9D3659@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got my Corbin from R&R in Springfield. R&R called a supplier (dist) and found one in stock for my FLHS with no fancy stitching on it - perfect. Methinks I got a 15% discount or close to that. Of course the Corbin made *specifically* for an FLHS didn't fit with precision. The OEM grab bar was in the way. Seems I was supposed to take that off and replace it with Corbin grab bar for $169. Like F**K you, Corbin. Stuck the H-D grab bar in a big-ass vice and kinda *tweaked* it with a BFH (Big F*****g Hammer). Fits fine! Great seat, so sez my butt, questionable quality RE fit. Bill ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Hmmmm.....I had no problems when I ordered my seat from them. I ordered a red and white seat with black piping for the R6. Got it about a month later just like they said. You never know, they just might surprise you and have it there tomorrow. Let us know either way. > > Scooter > > In a message dated 10/18/2002 9:51:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > Ok, here's my tale of woe with Coleman Power Spurts... I mean Corbin. > > > > On July 30th, I placed my order with Corbin for a Classic Solo Saddle > > (STO-S). I figure about a month, month and a half for deliver since their > > site said they were at Sturgis. > > > > About a week later, while looking at the site, I found a bit of text that > > said an expected delivery date would be in the confirmation e-mail. I checked > > and didn't find it so I sent a question to Corbin. > > > > I received two replies. The second one was from Ariana. She said that based > > on my comments, I should have the "Classic Close Solo Saddle" (STO-SC). She > > was going to change my order and told me to let her know if that was wrong. > > > > My reply was that I am a tall guy and didn't think I should have a "Close > > Solo". I asked that she call me if she was not clear about my request. > > > > So Sept 1st rolls around and I have a new seat. It's black and a close solo > > (I requested a red seat). I tried the close solo just to make sure and then > > proceeded to try and call Corbin. > > > > Mike at Corbin and I exchanged voice messages Monday through Wednesday. I > > didn't get a return call Wednesday or Thursday. On Friday, I happened to be > > in the Virtual Bar and commented on an existing Corbin seat thread. > > > > Monday I received an e-mail from Octavio at Corbin apologizing for not > > getting the order right when we talked on the phone (well, I ordered it from > > the web page and didn't speak to anyone). > > > > I called him back. He sent out a UPS call tag and it was on its way back to > > Corbin by Friday. > > > > I told him that we were going on a bike trip and that I was looking forward > > to having it for the ride. He said he'd try to get it to me in time and that > > he'd call back with a status. > > > > No call back and yesterday I sent an e-mail to Octavio telling him that if I > > didn't get a status by today, I was going to call in and cancel my order. > > > > When I got home yesterday there was a box from Corbin waiting for me. Woo > > Hoo! But, the box is long and narrow and looks nothing like the square box I > > got with the smaller Close Solo. I figured immediately that it was the wrong > > seat but I checked it out anyway. > > > > It was a Road King seat. > > > > So I called Octavio again. I asked him to pull up my original order. He asked > > for the Invoice number but I again told him to get the original order. He > > asked if I got the Road King seat and I told him that it was because I got > > the Road King seat that I wanted him to look at my original order. > > > > He found the original order and began apologizing. It seems that he had two > > complaints and put the wrong information on my sheet. > > > > So he said he'll get the seat made today and FedEx'd so that I get it > > tomorrow. > > > > Want to bet that I won't see it tomorrow? > > > > Evil Overlord Carl > > -- > > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and > > address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 18 12:20:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9IGKJO7004299; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:20:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9IGKIdc004292; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:20:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:20:24 -0400 From: "Docs@Shore" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) Personal Reply-To: "Docs@Shore" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <13219289125.20021018122024@shore.net> To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Corbin Seats In-Reply-To: <0210181051202L.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: <0210181051202L.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Carl, Friday, October 18, 2002, 10:51:20 AM, you wrote: CS> He found the original order and began apologizing. It seems that he had two CS> complaints and put the wrong information on my sheet. CS> So he said he'll get the seat made today and FedEx'd so that I get it CS> tomorrow. CS> Want to bet that I won't see it tomorrow? CS> Evil Overlord Carl Which is why, after almost two months, I cancelled my Corbin saddle order and bought from Mustang. Had the Mustang inside of a week. ;-) Doc <1984 FXR, 1973 XLCH in basket> -- State Officer for Virginia Loudoun County, VA Chapter 156, Southern Cruisers Riding Club #156148 http://www.southerncruisers.net Southern Cruisers, National http://www.geocities.com/scruisers_loudoun/ Chapter 156, VA Website http://www.docsharleypages.com Doc's Harley Pages From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 18 12:38:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9IGcsO7004422; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:38:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9IGcsGa004415; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:38:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021018123551.0226d5e8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:38:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Corbin Seats In-Reply-To: <13219289125.20021018122024@shore.net> References: <0210181051202L.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <0210181051202L.07826@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:20 PM 10/18/2002, Docs@Shore wrote: >Which is why, after almost two months, I cancelled my Corbin saddle >order and bought from Mustang. Had the Mustang inside of a week. ;-) My only dealings with Corbin were through AZ Moto. 4 years ago I picked up a gunfighter / lady back rest for the CB750 after the hail storm ripped my stocker. Perfect seat arrived a month later - the day after I sold the CB750. Guy drove back out and picked up the seat a week later. Shame - I never got to break it in. VFR stock seat is so comfy - I never went back to Corbin. I have heard many horror stories on the VFR list of people working directly with them. Reseller costs more and takes longer - for a reason - ! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 18 12:45:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9IGj0O7004494; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:45:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9IGj06S004486; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:45:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Docs@Shore" Subject: Re: Corbin Seats Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:44:49 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <0210181051202L.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <13219289125.20021018122024@shore.net> In-Reply-To: <13219289125.20021018122024@shore.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210181244492N.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 18 October 2002 12:20, docs@XXXXXX wrote: > Hello Carl, > > Friday, October 18, 2002, 10:51:20 AM, you wrote: > > CS> He found the original order and began apologizing. It seems that he had > two CS> complaints and put the wrong information on my sheet. > > CS> So he said he'll get the seat made today and FedEx'd so that I get it > CS> tomorrow. > > CS> Want to bet that I won't see it tomorrow? > > CS> Evil Overlord Carl > > Which is why, after almost two months, I cancelled my Corbin saddle > order and bought from Mustang. Had the Mustang inside of a week. ;-) > Yea, I think if it's not here tomorrow, I'll be doing the same thing. I'm too easy for an Evil Overlord. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 18 13:01:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9IH1cO7004620; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:01:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9IH1cPR004613; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:01:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021018170130.9257.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:01:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Perry Coleman Subject: Speaking of saddles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have acquired (hopefully) a used seat for the ZX-6E. My thought was to send it off to Sargent and get a customized seat made. My wife, who uses the ZX-6 as a sport-tourer, has complained that after about 150-200 miles it gets very uncomfortable. My experience is that the way the seat is shaped causes it to feel like a 2x4 is being jammed up your butt after about 150 miles. So, does anyone have any suggestions, experiences, etc. with Sargent to help me plan this out? I have looked at their website and there is a rather bewildering array of options and choices. To some degree, it would be easier to just get the seat directly from Corbin and re-sell the seat I just bought. However, I have been concerned with responsiveness, and reports of poor quality with Corbin over the last few years. Perry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 18 14:23:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9IIN5O7005131; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:23:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9IIN37j005124; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:23:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Insurance Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 18:22:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2002 18:22:55.0989 (UTC) FILETIME=[61269250:01C276D3] Yo, Does this perp have insurance? Call your insurance, have your people talk to his people and have the people you PAY to do this kind of thing. Do this thing. Tell your people that you want authorized (dealer) repair, replacement and restoration (paint). Why are you dancing around doing all of this crap when he crunched your ride? Are you being a nice guy? What are the chances that if no one had been around he would have split and you would have been shit outta' luck? That's why we buy insurance. That's why the perp buys insurance, to take care of this stuff. Never meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls!)B Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 18 15:31:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9IJVUO7005635; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:31:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9IJVTen005625; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:31:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021018193126.74419.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:31:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Speaking of saddles To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021018170130.9257.qmail@web40301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had the seat for my ZX-6D redone by Rick Mayer (http://www.mayercycle.homestead.com/MAYERCYCLE.html) It took a couple weeks longer than he said it would, but I'm quite satisfied with it. I use it more on the 250 than on the 6. It has to be slightly modified to move from one bike to the other. I had to take some of the forward lean out of it before I could use it on either bike. A seat shaped like the Corbin/Russell/Mayer saddles makes it harder to move around, but it also means less movement is needed to stay comfortable. Leon Begeman --- Perry Coleman wrote: > I have acquired (hopefully) a used seat for the > ZX-6E. > My thought was to send it off to Sargent and get a > customized seat made. My wife, who uses the ZX-6 as > a > sport-tourer, has complained that after about > 150-200 > miles it gets very uncomfortable. My experience is > that the way the seat is shaped causes it to feel > like > a 2x4 is being jammed up your butt after about 150 > miles. > > So, does anyone have any suggestions, experiences, > etc. with Sargent to help me plan this out? I have > looked at their website and there is a rather > bewildering array of options and choices. > > To some degree, it would be easier to just get the > seat directly from Corbin and re-sell the seat I > just > bought. However, I have been concerned with > responsiveness, and reports of poor quality with > Corbin over the last few years. > > Perry > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 18 20:47:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9J0l1O7007609; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:47:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9J0kw3c007592; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:46:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB0AA9E.263ECBAD@carlparker.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:43:11 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles , SABMAGERS Subject: Blackbird??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone got any experience or opinions about the CBR1100XX Blackbirds? Thanks, Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 18 20:49:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9J0n3O7007638; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:49:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9J0n39U007630; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:49:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:46:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Blackbird??? To: Carl Parker Cc: DCCycles , SABMAGERS Message-id: <3DB0AB72.12DCDBD8@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <3DB0AA9E.263ECBAD@carlparker.com> Carl Parker wrote: > > Anyone got any experience or opinions about the CBR1100XX Blackbirds? > > Thanks, > Carl Damn shame it's a chain drive. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 18 21:34:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9J1Y7O7007881; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 21:34:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9J1Y6dT007873; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 21:34:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021019013404.77291.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 18:34:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Blackbird??? To: Carl Parker Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3DB0AA9E.263ECBAD@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii great motor. nice styling, fit and finish. bikes were meant to be black. quite comfy. LIMITED GROUND CLEARANCE. --- Carl Parker wrote: > Anyone got any experience or opinions about the CBR1100XX > Blackbirds? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 18 21:39:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9J1dsO7007927; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 21:39:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9J1dsHQ007919; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 21:39:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 18:33:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Blackbird??? In-Reply-To: <3DB0AA9E.263ECBAD@carlparker.com> Message-ID: <20021018181521.E83944-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Carl Parker wrote: > Anyone got any experience or opinions about the CBR1100XX Blackbirds? > > Thanks, > Carl >From my experience on the Hayabusa message board, they are extremely high quality, reasonably powerful, comfortable sport tourers. A bit more HP, more distinct styling and !linked brakes, I'd have taken one over my 'Busa. :-) Sorry nothing direct, just things I've read from other riders experiences. Thinking of adding one to your garage? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 19 09:06:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9JD6DO7011365; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:06:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9JD6CaJ011355; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:06:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.2.20021019090204.00a675c0@bonaire.brauhausdc.org> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:06:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Blackbird??? In-Reply-To: <3DB0AA9E.263ECBAD@carlparker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Decent ride for distance. Very easy to grab a whole lot more throttle than any sane person could need. Feels somewhat top heavy when sitting still, but at speed, it is surprisingly nimble for a bike that big. Early models didn't have FI. At 08:43 PM 10/18/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Anyone got any experience or opinions about the CBR1100XX Blackbirds? > >Thanks, >Carl -- Resist or Serve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 19 10:24:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9JEOJO7011711; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:24:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9JEOIPk011701; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:24:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: Fork straightening From: Brian Roach To: Paul Wilson Cc: DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: <002a01c2756f$6c335bc0$de6c2c42@D7XFG711> References: <002a01c2756f$6c335bc0$de6c2c42@D7XFG711> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 19 Oct 2002 10:24:11 -0400 Message-Id: <1035037451.2183.379.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Wed, 2002-10-16 at 19:54, Paul Wilson wrote: > So, I would like some leads on where I can get quotes (locally preferred) on > getting the fork tubes straightened. That's Plan A. A) He ran over your bike. Get his insurance info. B) If the forks are actually bent and not just twisted out of alignment in the triple-tree (not likely bent, actually, in the case of a bike falling over), *GET NEW FORK TUBES*. If they're bent, the metal has been stressed. You do not want to trust your life to a set a of fork tubes like that, especially when someone else should be paying for it. We *never* straighten fork tubes at the shop. Usually you can get forks from a salvage yard cheap and use them or the tubes from them. Just IMHO, of course :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 20 10:45:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9KEjXO7031055; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 10:45:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9KEjPw6031045; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 10:45:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005001c27847$51057b00$693f9d40@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <002a01c2756f$6c335bc0$de6c2c42@D7XFG711> <004801c2760a$12985980$0e0314ac@ddlomni.com> Subject: Re: Fork straightening & Torque wrenches Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 10:45:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 > Use a torque wrench, it's easier than > you think to put a fork tube out of round Soapbox mode <> To expand on Jon's comments - use a torque wrench for everything. The bike's shop manual (you DO have one, don't you?) will give you the torque specs on just about everything. It doesn't take any longer to torque a fastener properly than it does to snug it up with a hand wrench, and prevents a whole raft of problems (warped parts, cracked castings, broken bolts, leaking covers, wheel bearing failures, things falling off, etc, etc.). Soapbox mode <> Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 20 11:58:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9KFwbO7031510; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:58:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9KFwbmj031503; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:58:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:57:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2002 15:57:30.0237 (UTC) FILETIME=[6505FAD0:01C27851] Top Ten Ways to LOSE 'Cool' Riding Points: You forget to take your Kryptonite lock off the wheel and attempt to drive away --- with a passenger --- one you are trying to impress with your superior riding skills. You wear out your boot soles because you keep your feet down at 10 mph. Repeated attempts to start your engine fail because you forgot the engine cut off switch. Your passenger (the one you are still trying to impress) discovers the engine cut off switch first. Your wear a great leather jacket --- and shorts. You park your 800 pound touring motorcycle nose first --- downhill. You ride with your helmet unfastened. You remove your helmet --- before your glasses. You tell your passenger to get on first. You enter a sharp fast left turn with your sidestand down --- with a passenger (the one you are STILL trying to impress). ======================================================================== Top Ten Ways to GAIN 'Cool' Riding Points You encourage your co-rider to learn how to ride. You have your best friend as a local police officer. You can ride anywhere without guilt. You get totally out of control --- and save it. You have more miles on your motorcycle than lights. You take the Experienced Rider Course every spring --- and admit it. Your tire walls are scuffed all the way to the tire rim and you didn't use a belt sander. Your IQ is larger than your helmet size. You have more miles on your motorcycle than your car. You don't own a car. aw Only a Biker knows why a dog sticks his head out of a car window _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 20 12:02:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9KG2ZO7031704; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:02:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9KG2YuA031697; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:02:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Last one I promise Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:01:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2002 16:01:28.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2E9D510:01C27851] Guide to M/C Tools: HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate expensive chrome scooter parts not far from the object we are trying to hit. MECHANIC'S KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly well on boxes containing leathers or bike covers. ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning steel Pop rivets in their holes until you die of old age, but it also works great for drilling rollbar mounting holes in the floor of a sports car just above the brake line that goes to the rear axle. VISE-GRIPS: Used to round off bolt heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. OXY-ACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting those stale garage cigarettes you keep hidden in the back of the Whitworth socket drawer (What wife would think to look in there?) because you can never remember to buy lighter fluid for the Zippo lighter you got from the PX at Fort Campbell. ZIPPO LIGHTER: See oxy-acetylene torch. WHITWORTH SOCKETS: Once used for working on older British cars and motorcycles, they are now used mainly for hiding six-month old Salems from the sort of person who would throw them away for no good reason. DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, splattering it against the Pamela Anderson poster over the bench grinder. WIRE WHEEL: Cleans rust off old bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprints and hard-earned guitar callouses in about the time it takes you to say, "Hand me 'nother beer, Bubba!" HYDRAULIC BIKE JACK/PLATFORM: Ingeniously-designed tool for flipping bikes onto their sides, usually when you're alone in the shop. EIGHT-FOOT LONG DOUGLAS FIR 2X4: Used for levering a bike upright after using a hydraulic jack on the bike (see above). TWEEZERS: A tool for removing wood splinters (see above). PHONE: Tool for calling your neighbor Bubba to see if he has another hydraulic floor jack (see above). "SNAP-ON" GASKET SCRAPER: Theoretically useful as a sandwich tool for spreading mayonnaise; used mainly for getting dog-doo off your boot. E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool that snaps off in bolt holes and is ten times harder than any known drill bit. TIMING LIGHT: A stroboscopic instrument for illuminating grease buildup on crankshaft pulleys. TWO-TON HYDRAULIC ENGINE HOIST: A handy tool for testing the tensile strength of ground straps and hydraulic clutch lines you may have forgotten to disconnect. Almost capable of lifting a Gold Wing off the floor. CRAFTSMAN 1/2 x 16-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A large motor mount prying tool that inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end without the handle. BATTERY ELECTROLYTE TESTER: A handy tool for transferring sulfuric acid from scooter battery to the inside of your toolbox after determining that your battery is dead as a doornail, just as you thought. HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes. AVIATION METAL CUTTERS: See hacksaw. TROUBLE LIGHT: The mechanic's own tanning booth. Sometimes called a drop light, it is a good source of vitamin D, "the sunshine vitamin", which is not otherwise found in garages at night. Health benefits aside, its main purpose is to consume 40-watt light bulbs at about the same rate that 105-mm howitzer shells might be used during, say, the first few hours of the Battle of the Bulge. More often dark than light, its name is somewhat misleading. PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the lids of old-style paper-and-tin oil cans and splash oil on your shirt; can also be used, as the name implies, to round off Phillips screw heads. AIR COMPRESSOR: A machine that takes energy produced in a coal-burning power plant 200 miles away and transforms it into compressed air that travels by hose to a Chicago Pneumatic impact wrench that grips rusty suspension bolts last tightened 40 years ago by someone in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and rounds them off. _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband.)B  Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 20 16:43:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9KKhnO7000653; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:43:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9KKhm40000646; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:43:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB3149D.31B5ED0@carlparker.com> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:39:57 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Blackbird??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, Thanks for you responses. I went and checked out a 94-97 VFR the other day and it didn't feel quite right. It felt like the bars were low and close, as opposed to low and far for sport bikes. I'm trying to keep my options open and am consdering the BBird....reminds me of my black Prelude I just sold. :( Anywho I've been poking around to see if there are any in the local dealerships and haven't found one yet. I'd like to get a sit and see on it. I definitely want a more comfey upright position. Even though I'm 26 and don't seem to have any back problems I'm not too down with wrist pressure. I'm about 6'1" and 180lbs and my legs felt a bit cramped on the VFR (although to be fair the R6 I sat on was even more cramped cuz the higher pegs). I was, however, very comfortable on the YZF600R and wish it came in a 1000cc version for more 2up and LD touring reasons. Sigh...I know I'm a cheap picky bastard but I want to buy something right and not settle just cuz' I'm in a rush. Carl Parker aka: "The Carl who is also Carl" :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 21 09:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LDeJO7006182; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:40:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LDeE3K006166; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:40:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52398B6@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: police presence Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:41:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Had a question for the LEOs on the list. With the increased presence of the police in the area are they looking for any reason to pull people over to then be able to look for the sniper or are they just making their presence known? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 21 09:57:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LDvVO7006305; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:57:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LDvVxF006298; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:57:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021021095623.00b41958@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:57:23 -0400 To: Rich Hall , "'DCCycles'" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: police presence In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52398B6@SERVER1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:41 AM 10/21/2002, Rich Hall wrote: > Had a question for the LEOs on the list. With the increased presence of >the police in the area are they looking for any reason to pull people over >to then be able to look for the sniper or are they just making their >presence known? On the news right now. Apparently they had caught someone at a pay phone booth in Richmond, possibly related to the phone number left at the last shooting. Supposed to be a briefing at 10am. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 21 12:49:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LGnaO7007422; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:49:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LGnYP1007415; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:49:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021021164931.66153.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:49:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0210181051202L.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii for the record, i've now owned a total of 4 corbin seats. -each one fit perfectly on the bike for which it was purchased. -the ones i ordered directly from mike corbin arrived earlier than the stated delivery date, sometimes by weeks. -they're the most comfortable seats i've had the pleasure to ride on for moderately long distances (400-500 miles). -imo, they're also the best looking aftermarket seats available. -in this context, i'm especially pleased that they don't require every seat made for a ducati to wear that stupid fucking italian flag emblem. --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Ok, here's my tale of woe with Coleman Power Spurts... I > mean Corbin. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 21 12:57:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LGvRO7007489; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:57:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LGvRSw007479; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:57:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021021125407.00bc9a60@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:57:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Corbin Seats In-Reply-To: <20021021164931.66153.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> References: <0210181051202L.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:49 PM 10/21/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >for the record, i've now owned a total of 4 corbin seats. >-each one fit perfectly on the bike for which it was >purchased. >-the ones i ordered directly from mike corbin arrived >earlier than the stated delivery date, sometimes by weeks. >-they're the most comfortable seats i've had the pleasure >to ride on for moderately long distances (400-500 miles). >-imo, they're also the best looking aftermarket seats >available. >-in this context, i'm especially pleased that they don't >require every seat made for a ducati to wear that stupid >fucking italian flag emblem. Hey Tom (or anyone else for that matter), Have you or anyone you know ever took the leather off the seat and cut the foam? The sides of my Gunfighter and Lady seat is *just* a tad too wide and rubs on the inside of my manly, yet tender thighs. So I figure I'd take the cover off, trim it a little to make the seat just about 1/2" more narrow and then retack the leather back down however I don't want to do this if it's impossible to put everything back together and make it look right. Comments and suggestions on the best way to do this, if at all, are welcome. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 21 13:06:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LH6FO7007586; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:06:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LH6FoW007578; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:06:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Corbin Seats Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:06:06 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <0210181051202L.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> In-Reply-To: <0210181051202L.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02102113060637.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 18 October 2002 10:51, Carl Schelin wrote: > Ok, here's my tale of woe with Coleman Power Spurts... I mean Corbin. > Around 11am on Saturday... *ding-dong* "Who in the hell is coming around at this ungodly hour on a Saturday?" My seat arrived and appears to fit just fine. I took it for a short ride Saturday. Initially it seemed stiff but after about 10 minutes, I found the right spot and it was fairly comfortable. It seems to lower me by about an inch but I seem to be a little farther forward than I was. I'll have to hunt down some highway bars or get a custom plate for my forward controls. Coming in this morning, my right leg had that funny bone feeling (like I'm leaning on a tendon) but a quick shift and it was ok. It'll take some getting used to until it's broken in (2,000 miles per the site). I'm still waiting on the rest of my order. I guess I'll send them another e-mail. Now to hunt down wind deflectors. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 21 13:09:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LH9tO7007633; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:09:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LH9ttp007623; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:09:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: Corbin Seats Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:09:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A641962306B08226@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Corbin Seats Thread-Index: AcJ5JKdtsmTuOYwLSquwMBphkZfezg== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9LH9sO7007611 I did this on my FZ1 stock seat Took out each staple with a flathead, I cut about a 1/2 inch off with a sharp serrated knife and reshaped the seat with hand sanding (dished out the rear like a corbin) Made a Huge mess, and the foam was a little lumpy, but the seat was way more comfy. I had to buy a HD stapler to re-attach the cover. Cheers, George >>> Aki Damme 10/21/02 12:57PM >>> Hey Tom (or anyone else for that matter), Have you or anyone you know ever took the leather off the seat and cut the foam? T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 21 14:03:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LI3pO7008121; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:03:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LI3onG008111; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:03:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021021180343.21889.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:03:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: police presence To: Rich Hall , "'DCCycles'" In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52398B6@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Rich Hall wrote: > Had a question for the LEOs on the list. With the > increased presence of > the police in the area are they looking for any > reason to pull people over > to then be able to look for the sniper No. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 21 14:39:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LIdpO7008378; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:39:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LIdpJa008372; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:39:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00c501c27931$3e0ea220$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "'DCCycles'" References: <20021021180343.21889.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: police presence Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:38:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Withrow" To: "Rich Hall" ; "'DCCycles'" Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: Re: police presence > > --- Rich Hall wrote: > > Had a question for the LEOs on the list. With the > > increased presence of > > the police in the area are they looking for any > > reason to pull people over > > to then be able to look for the sniper > > No. > > ===== Whew, that's a load off my mind. Well thank goodness they're not looking for balding white guys riding motorcycles, otherwise, I'd get pulled. Hard to tell about the balding part with a helmet on, though. http://users.erols.com/pawilson/vfr/paul1.jpg Paul in DC 95 VFR750F < Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LIqYO7008484; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:52:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LIqYAw008476; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:52:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WHEELIE SCHOOL Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:01:24 -0400 Message-ID: <6nj8ru0psgcqfqhfrgu0q9jkabnmtu59s8@4ax.com> References: <1229976A.093E1E0C.001912B6@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1229976A.093E1E0C.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9LIqWO7008459 I want to ride their bikes.. i'd learn tank and highchair wheelies :) On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:10:00 -0400, STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: >bet i would be able to loop their bikes. :p it sounds like fun. i would like the bet the bike are covered in fur and the session are tought by star boys. lol damn i want to go now... but in cali. :( > >In a message dated 10/17/2002 8:28:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR writes: > >> >> >> I get'em too. I like the idea. Too bad I don't have the $$ or live near Irwindale or I would probably attend. ;-) >> >> Scooter (squid at heart) >> >> In a message dated 10/16/2002 5:46:39 PM Eastern Standard >> Time, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes: >> >> > >> > >> > Classic... Is this what Keith Code has come to be? I >> > received this SPAM from his e-mail I seem to be on >> > after attending a class a few years back. >> > >> > Glenn >> > >> > ************************************* >> > >> > Doing wheelies ranks high on the list of the most >> > frivolous and decadent >> > >> > things in the history of Mankind! >> > >> > Want to learn how? >> > >> > ON ONE WHEEL will host its historic first wheelie >> > school at Irwindale >> > >> > Raceway on the 18th of November 2002. >> > >> > Location: Irwindale Raceway, Irwindale, CA (20 minutes >> > from downtown LA) >> > >> > Cost: $495 >> > >> > Bike: Kawasaki ZRX 1200 >> > >> > Session: All Day >> > >> > Students: 8 total >> > >> > Practice: Dozens of runs >> > >> > Date: 18 November 2002 >> > >> > Guarantee: You will wheelie >> > >> > No one knows why Keith developed the WHEELIE TRAINING >> > BIKE but like the >> > >> > rest of his motorcycle training devices, it works >> > great. The bike has two >> > >> > ANTI FLIP-OVER mechanisms: one kills the power and the >> > other applies the >> > >> > rear brake. Your eyes will pop out of your head when >> > it goes up--but >> > >> > flipping it won't be easy. >> > >> > Call or email now to reserve your spot--remember only >> > 8 students total for >> > >> > the school. >> > >> > email back or Call (323) 224-2734 Ask for Whitney >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More >> > http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 21 14:53:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LIrAO7008524; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:53:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LIr9rv008518; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:53:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: STmaven@XXXXXX, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WHEELIE SCHOOL Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:01:59 -0400 Message-ID: References: <2494C380.62C3A76A.0C9D3659@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2494C380.62C3A76A.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9LIr8O7008506 You don't already know how to wheelie? On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:07:00 -0400, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >If it ever makes it to this area, I might consider it. :-) > >Scooter (squid at heart) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 21 15:36:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LJarO7008811; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:36:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LJarbj008804; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:36:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021021193650.80850.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:36:50 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021021164931.66153.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I like mine except that for some reason the seat pan for the pillon has a big ridge in it which robs me of tail-section storage. ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog (at least WE only mate when the 'she' is in heat) (even us ANIMALS manage to chose a mate for life) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 21 15:41:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LJfsO7008872; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:41:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LJfsdN008859; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:41:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021021194151.29046.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:41:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021021193650.80850.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible > way. > - signed the Cat & the Dog > (at least WE only mate when the 'she' is in heat) > (even us ANIMALS manage to chose a mate for life) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ somebody forgot to tell my father's cocker spaniel "wilson" about this. he'd cornhole anything with a pulse, including his own brother. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 21 15:43:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LJhlO7008911; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:43:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LJhlmp008904; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:43:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Motor PsychoL Danny'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WHEELIE SCHOOL Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:43:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain I think the magazine Superbike had an article on a wheelie school and had a picture of the "training" bikes. -----Original Message----- From: Motor PsychoL Danny [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 3:01 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WHEELIE SCHOOL I want to ride their bikes.. i'd learn tank and highchair wheelies :) On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:10:00 -0400, STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: >bet i would be able to loop their bikes. :p it sounds like fun. i would like the bet the bike are covered in fur and the session are tought by star boys. lol damn i want to go now... but in cali. :( > >In a message dated 10/17/2002 8:28:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR writes: > >> >> >> I get'em too. I like the idea. Too bad I don't have the $$ or live near Irwindale or I would probably attend. ;-) >> >> Scooter (squid at heart) >> >> In a message dated 10/16/2002 5:46:39 PM Eastern Standard >> Time, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes: >> >> > >> > >> > Classic... Is this what Keith Code has come to be? I >> > received this SPAM from his e-mail I seem to be on >> > after attending a class a few years back. >> > >> > Glenn >> > >> > ************************************* >> > >> > Doing wheelies ranks high on the list of the most >> > frivolous and decadent >> > >> > things in the history of Mankind! >> > >> > Want to learn how? >> > >> > ON ONE WHEEL will host its historic first wheelie >> > school at Irwindale >> > >> > Raceway on the 18th of November 2002. >> > >> > Location: Irwindale Raceway, Irwindale, CA (20 minutes >> > from downtown LA) >> > >> > Cost: $495 >> > >> > Bike: Kawasaki ZRX 1200 >> > >> > Session: All Day >> > >> > Students: 8 total >> > >> > Practice: Dozens of runs >> > >> > Date: 18 November 2002 >> > >> > Guarantee: You will wheelie >> > >> > No one knows why Keith developed the WHEELIE TRAINING >> > BIKE but like the >> > >> > rest of his motorcycle training devices, it works >> > great. The bike has two >> > >> > ANTI FLIP-OVER mechanisms: one kills the power and the >> > other applies the >> > >> > rear brake. Your eyes will pop out of your head when >> > it goes up--but >> > >> > flipping it won't be easy. >> > >> > Call or email now to reserve your spot--remember only >> > 8 students total for >> > >> > the school. >> > >> > email back or Call (323) 224-2734 Ask for Whitney >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More >> > http://faith.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 21 17:15:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LLF4O7009524; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:15:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LLF3WH009514; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:15:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:14:45 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: motorcycle@XXXXXX Cc: STmaven@XXXXXX, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WHEELIE SCHOOL MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <051E2A1E.7C94BFE7.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nope. Never have. Too worried about flipping my bike while I learn. I'd much rather flip someone elses. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 10/21/2002 2:01:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > > > You don't already know how to wheelie? > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:07:00 -0400, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > wrote: > > >If it ever makes it to this area, I might consider it. :-) > > > >Scooter (squid at heart) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 21 18:06:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LM6oO7009861; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:06:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LM6oFr009854; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:06:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021021220647.47744.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:06:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Winter Glove Recommendation again... To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry, I seemsed to have lost the winter glove recommendations from before (I am ordering the Rocket Ballistic 4.0 pants though). Can someone recommend a good winter glove thats waterproof and not too bulky? Any experience with the Joe Rocket Ballistic 2.0? Thanks PS: Big thanks to Paul Wilson, one of those list heros that help us 'less than mechanically' inclined. My Fiamm SUV mover is working again. beep beep ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 21 18:13:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LMD9O7009946; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:13:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LMD9qT009934; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:13:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <17.305d0f0f.2ae5d5ec@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:13:00 EDT Subject: MD inspection To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 A while back I asked where to get a bike inspected in MD, a number of you folks recommended Potomac Village Amoco. I finally got over there today. As advertised it was quick and painless. As not advertised the guy knows bikes, even ones "contemporary" with me (aka. old.) It was actually fun. Thanks for the advice. P.S. I wish the rest of the tag and license acquisition went as well AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!! Finding cat crap on the couch when I got home was the high point of my afternoon. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 21 18:16:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LMGnO7009986; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:16:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LMGm9J009976; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:16:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021021221646.32006.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:16:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: MD inspection To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <17.305d0f0f.2ae5d5ec@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii your welcome. yes, the list asshole strikes again with a random act of kindness. rick hart, iii, former (and present) flat-tracker, is the contact at my former employer, potomac village amoco. if you mention my name, it does nothing for your costs.... but it certainly makes me look better. and, we all know that i can use all the help i can get. --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > A while back I asked where to get a bike inspected in MD, > a number of you > folks recommended Potomac Village Amoco. I finally got > over there today. As > advertised it was quick and painless. As not advertised > the guy knows bikes, > even ones "contemporary" with me (aka. old.) It was > actually fun. > Thanks for the advice. > > P.S. I wish the rest of the tag and license acquisition > went as well > AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!! > Finding cat crap on the couch when I got home was the > high point of my > afternoon. > > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > Honda ST1100X Pan European > (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European > > is now necessary {and I still like it.}) > BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 21 18:17:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LMHRO7010022; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:17:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LMHRY7010016; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:17:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021021182124.021b0210@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:23:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Winter Glove Recommendation again... In-Reply-To: <20021021220647.47744.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:06 PM 10/21/02 -0700, you wrote: >Sorry, I seemsed to have lost the winter glove >recommendations from before (I am ordering the Rocket >Ballistic 4.0 pants though). > >Can someone recommend a good winter glove thats >waterproof and not too bulky? Any experience with the >Joe Rocket Ballistic 2.0? > >Thanks I picked up a set of winter riding gloves at Cycle's USA on Friday. Tested them out on Friday evening from around 8:30-10pm and they worked great. Can't remember the brand, but they were only $45. They were textile, had a grippy sorta rubber palm and weren't too bulky for sport riding. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 21 19:46:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9LNkQO7010986; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:46:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9LNkPQQ010977; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:46:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [138.88.88.197] From: "Marc Washington" To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter Glove Recommendation again... Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:45:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2002 23:45:18.0590 (UTC) FILETIME=[E97A81E0:01C2795B] I have a pair of the ballistics. They are fairly warm for trips under 45 min or so. My only problem is that they are not really waterproof and because of the layers the gloves feel like they caught when you shift the position of your hands on the bar, IE your hands shift to the side but the outside layer of the glove stay where its at. Not bad though I am sure there must be better. Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk >Sorry, I seemsed to have lost the winter glove >recommendations from before (I am ordering the Rocket >Ballistic 4.0 pants though). > >Can someone recommend a good winter glove thats >waterproof and not too bulky? Any experience with the >Joe Rocket Ballistic 2.0? > >Thanks > >PS: Big thanks to Paul Wilson, one of those list heros >that help us 'less than mechanically' inclined. My >Fiamm SUV mover is working again. beep beep > > > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 00:48:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9M4mAO7012407; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 00:48:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9M4m8Js012397; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 00:48:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 00:48:10 -0400 From: Shigeru Honda Subject: Coolant/Antifreeze for Track To: DC-Cycles Reply-to: shonda@XXXXXX Message-id: <3DB4D88A.A3D5E735@attglobal.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [ja] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: ja More than a week after the track day, I notice something seriously wrong with my bike... I was riding on the street without a license plate! Do'h! Anyway, does anyone know if there is such thing as race track safe/allowed anti-freeze? My SuperHawk currently have regular plane water as it suppose to be on tracks, but I was wondering if there was an alternative solution. I'm feeling little lazy to change coolant for each track days since SuperHawk is a bit of a pain to drain & refill. And I'm planning to go to NESBA on 11/2. Is Red Line WaterWetter any good? but this thing isn't antifreeze? or just ride air/oil-cool bike? -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 03:15:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9M7FPO7013188; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 03:15:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9M7FNiH013178; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 03:15:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: Coolant/Antifreeze for Track From: Brian Roach To: shonda@XXXXXX Cc: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <3DB4D88A.A3D5E735@attglobal.net> References: <3DB4D88A.A3D5E735@attglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 22 Oct 2002 03:15:04 -0400 Message-Id: <1035270910.20642.399.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 00:48, Shigeru Honda wrote: > Anyway, does anyone know if there is such thing as race track > safe/allowed anti-freeze? No. Antifreeze is ethylene glycol based which is extremely slippery when spilled and very difficult to clean up, not to mention poisonous and hazardous to the environment. It's why they aren't allowed. A new type of antifreeze based on propylene glycol was released a couple years ago which is better, but the racing orgs determined it provided no significant benefit over water (with water wetter - see below) and was still difficult to clean up after a spill. > > Is Red Line WaterWetter any good? but this thing isn't antifreeze? or > just ride air/oil-cool bike? This is what you use in a race bike or car. It is NOT antifreeze. It's an anti-corrosive (water is very corrosive - antifreeze also has anti corrosive ingredients) and also improves cooling (see their website for a technical explanation). Basically, if you're using your streetbike for track days, you need to change out the antifreeze at the beginning of the year, then put antifreeze back in for the winter. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 07:36:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MBagO7014829; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:36:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MBaeMU014819; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:36:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Aki Damme'" Subject: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:36:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Stop over at Frank's diner 3x a week, that should talk care of it.... But seriously... if the holes are pre-punched you have a guide, but your seams may be off. Check with the tank bag lady. She may have some suggestions. gb ...................................... Hey Tom (or anyone else for that matter), Have you or anyone you know ever took the leather off the seat and cut the foam? The sides of my Gunfighter and Lady seat is *just* a tad too wide and rubs on the inside of my manly, yet tender thighs. So I figure I'd take the cover off, trim it a little to make the seat just about 1/2" more narrow and then retack the leather back down however I don't want to do this if it's impossible to put everything back together and make it look right. Comments and suggestions on the best way to do this, if at all, are welcome. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 07:45:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MBjnO7014904; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:45:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MBjmgI014894; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:45:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dcsportbikeriders@XXXXXX Subject: another shooting Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:54:48 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9MBjlO7014882 Man they need to offer immunity to anyone who aided and abets the sniper and give that person a reward. It's better that a co conspiriter go free, than have one more innocent person shot. We get the sniper, and put an end to the killings. Besides, let the public kill the co conspirator. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 07:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MBkYO7014934; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:46:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MBkX2A014928; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:46:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB53BDE.C80BA52B@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:51:58 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bruhl, George LT" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Aki Damme'" Subject: Re: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did that with the original H-D seat on my scoot. Not to remove foam but to add a shaped layer of hi-density foam, the kind used under Astroturf on football fields. Never got around to restapling the front part I undid, just tucked it in. The fix worked but the *tufted* poser pattern on the seat still burned my butt, so I trashed it and got a Corbin. Instead of stapling you could glue the bugger down. Contact cement that gives you a buzz when huffed works good. Forget the safe contact cement, ain't worth diddly. Bill > Hey Tom (or anyone else for that matter), > > Have you or anyone you know ever took the leather off the seat and cut > the foam? The sides of my Gunfighter and Lady seat is *just* a tad too > wide and rubs on the inside of my manly, yet tender thighs. So I figure > I'd take the cover off, trim it a little to make the seat just about 1/2" > more > narrow and then retack the leather back down however I don't want to do > this if it's impossible to put everything back together and make it look > right. > > Comments and suggestions on the best way to do this, if at all, are welcome. > > -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 08:00:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MC0FO7015058; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:00:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MC0ELY015048; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:00:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'William J. Huson'" , "'Aki Damme'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Upholstery Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:00:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I got it... Chong's auto upholstery... Woodbridge... at the "Build America Plaza" 494-number (unsure.. look it up). He does all the custom seats for Thunder USA.... I have seen one example of his work and it looked great. gb > Hey Tom (or anyone else for that matter), > > Have you or anyone you know ever took the leather off the seat and cut > the foam? The sides of my Gunfighter and Lady seat is *just* a tad too > wide and rubs on the inside of my manly, yet tender thighs. So I figure > I'd take the cover off, trim it a little to make the seat just about 1/2" > more > narrow and then retack the leather back down however I don't want to do > this if it's impossible to put everything back together and make it look > right. > > Comments and suggestions on the best way to do this, if at all, are welcome. > > -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 08:00:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MC0fO7015213; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:00:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MC0fYd015206; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:00:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Carl Parker Cc: DCCycles , SABMAGERS Subject: Re: Blackbird??? Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:09:40 -0400 Message-ID: References: <3DB0AA9E.263ECBAD@carlparker.com> In-Reply-To: <3DB0AA9E.263ECBAD@carlparker.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9MC0dO7015194 late but: Too Freaking heavy! On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:43:11 -0400, Carl Parker wrote: >Anyone got any experience or opinions about the CBR1100XX Blackbirds? > >Thanks, >Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 08:15:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MCFOO7015330; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:15:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MCFOgS015322; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:15:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009201c279c4$a8b106c0$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "Motor PsychoL Danny" , , , References: Subject: Re: another shooting Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:12:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I agree they must do something, this one is too close for me, right next to the cycle shop. I think I am wearing camoflauge to work today. Scott 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Motor PsychoL Danny" To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: another shooting > Man they need to offer immunity to anyone who aided and abets the > sniper and give that person a reward. It's better that a co > conspiriter go free, than have one more innocent person shot. We get > the sniper, and put an end to the killings. Besides, let the public > kill the co conspirator. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 08:36:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MCaQO7015459; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:36:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MCaQQZ015449; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:36:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, roadrunnaz@XXXXXX Subject: dialogues of the sniper Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:45:26 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9MCaPO7015437 The baltimore sun is reporting dialogues of the snipers notes and information not too many other news agencies are reporting. check out www.baltimoresun.com and http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/crime/bal-shoot1022,0,4834683.story?coll=bal%2Dhome%2Dheadlines From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 09:21:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MDLZO7015755; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:21:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MDLIbN015738; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:21:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52399E6@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Winter Glove Recommendation again... Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:22:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Did you see what brand they were last night? -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 6:23 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter Glove Recommendation again... At 03:06 PM 10/21/02 -0700, you wrote: >Sorry, I seemsed to have lost the winter glove >recommendations from before (I am ordering the Rocket >Ballistic 4.0 pants though). > >Can someone recommend a good winter glove thats >waterproof and not too bulky? Any experience with the >Joe Rocket Ballistic 2.0? > >Thanks I picked up a set of winter riding gloves at Cycle's USA on Friday. Tested them out on Friday evening from around 8:30-10pm and they worked great. Can't remember the brand, but they were only $45. They were textile, had a grippy sorta rubber palm and weren't too bulky for sport riding. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 09:41:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MDfxO7015881; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:41:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MDfx77015871; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:41:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009f01c279d0$d448e260$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rich Hall" , "dc-cycles list" References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52399E6@SERVER1> Subject: Re: Winter Glove Recommendation again... Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:39:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 After yet another cold, rainy ride a couple of weekends back, I just picked up a pair of Aerostich Gore-Tex "Triple Digit" wind and water proof over-mittens. I don't really like the bulk of heavy winter gloves and put off wearing them as long as possible. The over mittens will allow me to wear my regular gloves in colder temperatures, not to mention the rain. The "triple digit" moniker refers to the 2+2+thumb configuration. Might be worth a look. www.riderwearhouse.com They're well made, with drawstring gauntlets and have the big reflective patch. They have two sizes. You can get even bigger ones to fit over winter-weight gloves. They're thin and compact. I just keep 'em in a pocket until I need them. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Hall" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:22 AM Subject: RE: Winter Glove Recommendation again... > Did you see what brand they were last night? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 6:23 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Winter Glove Recommendation again... > > At 03:06 PM 10/21/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Sorry, I seemsed to have lost the winter glove > >recommendations from before (I am ordering the Rocket > >Ballistic 4.0 pants though). > > > >Can someone recommend a good winter glove thats > >waterproof and not too bulky? Any experience with the > >Joe Rocket Ballistic 2.0? > > > >Thanks > > I picked up a set of winter riding gloves at Cycle's USA on Friday. Tested > them out on Friday evening from around 8:30-10pm and they worked > great. Can't remember the brand, but they were only $45. They were > textile, had a grippy sorta rubber palm and weren't too bulky for sport > riding. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 10:06:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ME6aO7016087; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:06:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ME6ZBQ016079; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:06:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021022140633.9496.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:06:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Lots of Moto Content on Third Watch Last Night To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't know if anyone watches Third Watch, but here is what we had: The studly fireman was riding his (Harley??) with his new girlfriend. Looks like it was in Westchester or north of there (the show is set in NYC). Of course, they both had non-full face helmet. Not beanies or anything. They showed a bunch of nice scenes with the two of them riding a nice curvy. At one point, two guys on sportbikes ride by and zoom off. The fireman looked at his girl and laughed, like he was going to chase them but decided not to. After dropping her off, he encounters a very reckless driver cutting off cars, etc. The car goes way ahead and cuts off a truck on a bridge. The resulting big accident (the main part of the story), forces him to do a lowside. Of course, he was fine (some cuts on his face, due to the helmet) and he went on the save the day. At then end of the show, he was in the hospital and one of his buddies brought in the helmet. It had a big ding on it, making it clear it saved his life. He then said that he had survived 9-11, fires, etc. only to almost die on a motorcycle. He then threw away the helmet and walked out. Just thought I would share. Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 11:24:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MFODO7016626; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:24:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MFOBhn016616; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:24:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021022112254.02dca1a8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:24:02 -0400 To: "Bruhl, George LT" , "'William J. Huson'" From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Upholstery Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:00 AM 10/22/2002, Bruhl, George LT wrote: >I got it... > >Chong's auto upholstery... Woodbridge... at the "Build America Plaza" >494-number (unsure.. look it up). > >He does all the custom seats for Thunder USA.... > >I have seen one example of his work and it looked great. > >gb thanks George! I figure I'll make that a winter project...which from what I've heard from long range weather forecasts, could be as early and Nov. :-( -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 11:25:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MFP4O7016659; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:25:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MFP4T5016654; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:25:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021022111713.02063ca8@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:25:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: A few things Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed After a generous week of back spasms I got to do something fairly interesting on Sunday. Ride my father-in-law's new Harley Dyna. I like the look of the 100th anniversary bike. I am now working on getting him to buy me a V-Rod for my second bike. I'll guilt him into it eventually. Not. No one in their family rode before I started dating their daughter (now my wife) - now both parents have Harleys and my new brother-in-law is on a 2002 F4i. If only my wife liked to ride ;-) Stayed toasty warm this morning. Probably time for new gloves, so I'll be watching the glove thread closely. Mine let a bit too much air through the stitching. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 11:28:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MFSVO7016700; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:28:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MFSV71016692; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:28:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021022152826.26199.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:28:26 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: wrap-around grip warmers (was RE: Winter Glove Recommendation again...) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52399E6@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not to beat the topic till the horse is glue, but we've talked about winter gloves, and getting heated grips etc. My question is; has anyone seen detachable grip warmers (nee Aerostich Hot Grips) in your local bike shops? I'll get the 'stich product if it's my only option but would like to check out a similar product locally first if I can. I have a Widder glove setup and they are nice but majorly bulky. ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog (at least WE only mate when the 'she' is in heat) (even us ANIMALS manage to chose a mate for life) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 11:47:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MFlNO7016842; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:47:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MFlMBX016832; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:47:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a401c279e2$5914cb60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "matthew patton" , References: <20021022152826.26199.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: wrap-around grip warmers (was RE: Winter Glove Recommendation again...) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:43:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Matt, you may want to check the VFR list archives. There's been lots of chatter lately on this topic, including some posts from Mr. Hot Grips himself up in New Hampshire, who's on the list, about the merits of various heated grip options. It's free and you don't need to ride a VFR. :) www.cs.wisc.edu/~lists/archive/vfr/ Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "matthew patton" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: wrap-around grip warmers (was RE: Winter Glove Recommendation again...) > Not to beat the topic till the horse is glue, but we've talked about > winter gloves, and getting heated grips etc. My question is; has anyone > seen detachable grip warmers (nee Aerostich Hot Grips) in your local > bike shops? I'll get the 'stich product if it's my only option but > would like to check out a similar product locally first if I can. > > I have a Widder glove setup and they are nice but majorly bulky. > > ===== > Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. > - signed the Cat & the Dog > (at least WE only mate when the 'she' is in heat) > (even us ANIMALS manage to chose a mate for life) > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 12:07:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MG7sO7017108; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:07:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MG7r3D017100; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:07:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:01:33 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lots of Moto Content on Third Watch Last Night MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1F092B3A.767360D3.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit So....what? Now he's not gonna ride a bike any more? Or, he is gonna ride but now with a full-face helmet and preach safety? I'm curious how it'll go. If he never rides again, what does that say to the audience? Scooter In a message dated 10/22/2002 9:06:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > I don't know if anyone watches Third Watch, but here > is what we had: > > The studly fireman was riding his (Harley??) with his > new girlfriend. Looks like it was in Westchester or > north of there (the show is set in NYC). Of course, > they both had non-full face helmet. Not beanies or > anything. > > They showed a bunch of nice scenes with the two of > them riding a nice curvy. At one point, two guys on > sportbikes ride by and zoom off. The fireman looked > at his girl and laughed, like he was going to chase > them but decided not to. > > After dropping her off, he encounters a very reckless > driver cutting off cars, etc. The car goes way ahead > and cuts off a truck on a bridge. The resulting big > accident (the main part of the story), forces him to > do a lowside. > > Of course, he was fine (some cuts on his face, due to > the helmet) and he went on the save the day. At then > end of the show, he was in the hospital and one of his > buddies brought in the helmet. It had a big ding on > it, making it clear it saved his life. He then said > that he had survived 9-11, fires, etc. only to almost > die on a motorcycle. He then threw away the helmet > and walked out. > > Just thought I would share. > > Mark > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 12:26:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MGQjO7017254; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:26:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MGQhHL017244; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:26:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002601c279e7$d821df60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <1F092B3A.767360D3.0C9D3659@aol.com> Subject: Re: Lots of Moto Content on Third Watch Last Night Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:26:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Don't get me started. How about "Six Feet Under" where one of the funeral parlor's customers dies in a crash. The deceased rider's friends get the bike (chopper) fixed and give it to Nate. In some scenes he wears a shortie helmet, in others he rides around bare-headed. I suppose the Third Watch rider "laid it down to avoid a crash." Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: > So....what? Now he's not gonna ride a bike any more? Or, he is gonna ride but now with a full-face helmet and preach safety? I'm curious how it'll go. If he never rides again, what does that say to the audience? > > Scooter > > In a message dated 10/22/2002 9:06:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > I don't know if anyone watches Third Watch, but here > > is what we had: > > > > The studly fireman was riding his (Harley??) with his > > new girlfriend. Looks like it was in Westchester or > > north of there (the show is set in NYC). Of course, > > they both had non-full face helmet. Not beanies or > > anything. > > > > They showed a bunch of nice scenes with the two of > > them riding a nice curvy. At one point, two guys on > > sportbikes ride by and zoom off. The fireman looked > > at his girl and laughed, like he was going to chase > > them but decided not to. > > > > After dropping her off, he encounters a very reckless > > driver cutting off cars, etc. The car goes way ahead > > and cuts off a truck on a bridge. The resulting big > > accident (the main part of the story), forces him to > > do a lowside. > > > > Of course, he was fine (some cuts on his face, due to > > the helmet) and he went on the save the day. At then > > end of the show, he was in the hospital and one of his > > buddies brought in the helmet. It had a big ding on > > it, making it clear it saved his life. He then said > > that he had survived 9-11, fires, etc. only to almost > > die on a motorcycle. He then threw away the helmet > > and walked out. > > > > Just thought I would share. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 12:29:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MGTjO7017308; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:29:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MGTiQ1017299; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:29:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021022162942.95535.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:29:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Lots of Moto Content on Third Watch Last Night To: Paul Wilson , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <002601c279e7$d821df60$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii He laid it down to avoid a jack-knifing and burning truck. Was wearing a leather jacket. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Don't get me started. How about "Six Feet Under" > where one of the funeral > parlor's customers dies in a crash. The deceased > rider's friends get the > bike (chopper) fixed and give it to Nate. In some > scenes he wears a shortie > helmet, in others he rides around bare-headed. > > I suppose the Third Watch rider "laid it down to > avoid a crash." > > Paul in DC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > > > So....what? Now he's not gonna ride a bike any > more? Or, he is gonna > ride but now with a full-face helmet and preach > safety? I'm curious how > it'll go. If he never rides again, what does that > say to the audience? > > > > Scooter > > > > In a message dated 10/22/2002 9:06:32 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if anyone watches Third Watch, but > here > > > is what we had: > > > > > > The studly fireman was riding his (Harley??) > with his > > > new girlfriend. Looks like it was in > Westchester or > > > north of there (the show is set in NYC). Of > course, > > > they both had non-full face helmet. Not beanies > or > > > anything. > > > > > > They showed a bunch of nice scenes with the two > of > > > them riding a nice curvy. At one point, two > guys on > > > sportbikes ride by and zoom off. The fireman > looked > > > at his girl and laughed, like he was going to > chase > > > them but decided not to. > > > > > > After dropping her off, he encounters a very > reckless > > > driver cutting off cars, etc. The car goes way > ahead > > > and cuts off a truck on a bridge. The resulting > big > > > accident (the main part of the story), forces > him to > > > do a lowside. > > > > > > Of course, he was fine (some cuts on his face, > due to > > > the helmet) and he went on the save the day. At > then > > > end of the show, he was in the hospital and one > of his > > > buddies brought in the helmet. It had a big > ding on > > > it, making it clear it saved his life. He then > said > > > that he had survived 9-11, fires, etc. only to > almost > > > die on a motorcycle. He then threw away the > helmet > > > and walked out. > > > > > > Just thought I would share. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web > site > > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 12:48:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MGmfO7017483; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:48:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MGmfic017475; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:48:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007501c279ea$e97d3400$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mark Kitchell" , Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20021022162942.95535.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Lots of Moto Content on Third Watch Last Night Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:48:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > He laid it down to avoid a jack-knifing and burning > truck. > > Was wearing a leather jacket. > OK, but that's Hollywood. I wonder how one does that in the "real world" and comes away better off than keeping the bike upright and using those big sticky rubber things (as opposed to leather, human flesh, chromed and painted bits) to maneuver, slow and maintain control. I'm not trying to be a smart ass--really I'm not-- :) but it seems to be a legitimate question to me. Yes, I know, someone will say "bike cops." The way it's been explained to me with the moto officers is that they are trained to do this (lay it down) in the event they're being shot at. Not something the average street rider needs to worry about too much, the sniper notwithstanding. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 12:50:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MGoIO7017529; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:50:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MGoCl3017519; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:50:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lots of Moto Content on Third Watch Last Night Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:59:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3u0brugb4fc5ealc5mh008f3iajsv41ur2@4ax.com> References: <1F092B3A.767360D3.0C9D3659@aol.com> <002601c279e7$d821df60$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <002601c279e7$d821df60$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9MGoBO7017507 Or king of queens.. whre the guy gets a harley cuz ofa midlife crisis, can't ride it, and rides right into his garage wall. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 13:07:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MH7VO7017670; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:07:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MH7UmT017660; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:07:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021022170723.4902.qmail@web40905.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:07:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Lots of Moto Content on Third Watch Last Night To: dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <007501c279ea$e97d3400$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > He laid it down to avoid a jack-knifing and burning > > truck. > > > OK, but that's Hollywood. I wonder how one does that in the "real world" > and comes away better off than keeping the bike upright and using those big > sticky rubber things (as opposed to leather, human flesh, chromed and > painted bits) to maneuver, slow and maintain control. I'm not trying to be > a smart ass--really I'm not-- :) but it seems to be a legitimate question to > me. Reminds me of an article that came out sometime in February. Arnold Schwarzenegger was involved in a motorcycle crash. He was quoted as follows: "So what you do is, and I learned this on 'Terminator,' how to put the bike down. You put the rear brake on, it slides out, you go down with the bike and you slide with both wheels into the car," he said. (http://newstribune.com/stories/020302/ent_0203020033.asp) So the proper technique, learned from a movie is to do a lowside and hit the car. I'm so glad he taught this technique to all of his fans. (rolling eyes) And to think I've been teaching my students to apply maximum braking! Or not to follow too closely as he apparently was doing (The accident happened Dec. 9 when a car stopped in front of him and he was unable to change lanes to avoid the vehicle, the 54-year-old Schwarzenegger said.) Like Paul, I'm not trying to be a smart ass, well, not too much anyway, but statements like these from high publicity people certainly don't help. Louis __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 13:14:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MHESO7017728; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:14:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MHES1G017720; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:14:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514EC2@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'markkitchell@XXXXXX'" , "'George.Cole@XXXXXX'" , "'PenguinBiker@XXXXXX'" Subject: Misc. Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:14:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Winter Glove Recommendation again... Mark Kitchell muttered meekly, "Sorry, I seemsed to have lost the winter glove recommendations from before" Archives? They should have our pearls . . . & lesser offerings. Or, stop dilly dallying and go directly to Gerbings. Vlahos was dealing on Sunday in Taylorsville, MD. Corbin Seats George grumped, "Made a Huge mess, and the foam was a little lumpy, but the seat was way more comfy. I had to buy a HD stapler to re-attach the cover." Was it the Fat Boy or Road King stapler? Did the spring fall out? :^> MD inspection: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX benevolently praised, "A while back I asked where to get a bike inspected in MD, a number of you folks recommended Potomac Village Amoco. I finally got over there today. As advertised it was quick and painless." Aye, Rick Hart was quick and professional then we had a long conversation about suits, (I wearing Fred the Red), motorcycle boots (wearing poser-gray Alpinstars -- $99 at CAD - that match the ballistics) and dirt tracking. Told him I was sent by Gimer and Galvin. "P.S. I wish the rest of the tag and license acquisition went as well AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!" Gee, mine at Gaithersburg went quick and painless -- there was even a salsa and samba dancing demo going on to while away the short time. FWIW, the tacos de cabesa at the truck are great. "Finding cat crap on the couch when I got home was the high point of my afternoon." You gotta get out more; you gotta get out more. :^) Tom touted, "rick hart, iii, former (and present) flat-tracker, is the contact at my former employer, potomac village amoco. if you mention my name, it does nothing for your costs.... but it certainly makes me look better. and, we all know that i can use all the help i can get." Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 13:37:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MHbcO7017873; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:37:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MHbaJ8017863; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:37:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00fb01c279f1$bd822f20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "dc-cycles list" References: <20021022170723.4902.qmail@web40905.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Lots of Moto Content on Third Watch Last Night Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:37:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis F. Caplan" > > Reminds me of an article that came out sometime in February. Arnold > Schwarzenegger was involved in a motorcycle crash. He was quoted as follows: > > "So what you do is, and I learned this on 'Terminator,' how to put the bike > down. You put the rear brake on, it slides out, you go down with the bike and > you slide with both wheels into the car," he said. > (http://newstribune.com/stories/020302/ent_0203020033.asp) > > So the proper technique, learned from a movie is to do a lowside and hit the > car. Here's another thought. I've heard the following: "I didn't have enough time or space to brake or swerve, so I laid it down." Actual quote from MSF student recalling a crash. I wonder. "Laying it down" requires time and space too, if in fact it was an intentional act. People who don't have time or space to react plow right straight into whatever's in their path of travel. Sometimes I wonder if the more accurate statement is, "I panicked, mashed the rear brake pedal and lowsided." Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 13:46:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MHkFO7018015; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:46:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MHkFe9018007; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:46:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021022134419.0203bd48@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:45:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Lots of Moto Content on Third Watch Last Night In-Reply-To: <002601c279e7$d821df60$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <1F092B3A.767360D3.0C9D3659@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:26 PM 10/22/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: >Don't get me started. How about "Six Feet Under" where one of the funeral >parlor's customers dies in a crash. The deceased rider's friends get the >bike (chopper) fixed and give it to Nate. In some scenes he wears a shortie >helmet, in others he rides around bare-headed. That was integral to the plot. He had just learned about his tumor or whatever - and felt like siezing the day and living carefree. He looks really wussy on that bike. Good show. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 13:55:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MHtZO7018108; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:55:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MHtZ7c018098; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:55:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021022135413.00bcb158@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:55:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Lots of Moto Content on Third Watch Last Night In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.5.0.20021022134419.0203bd48@mail.troutman.org> References: <002601c279e7$d821df60$bb82fea9@palladio1> <1F092B3A.767360D3.0C9D3659@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:45 PM 10/22/2002, Troutman wrote: >At 12:26 PM 10/22/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: >>Don't get me started. How about "Six Feet Under" where one of the funeral >>parlor's customers dies in a crash. The deceased rider's friends get the >>bike (chopper) fixed and give it to Nate. In some scenes he wears a shortie >>helmet, in others he rides around bare-headed. > >That was integral to the plot. He had just learned about his tumor or >whatever - and felt like siezing the day and living carefree. He looks >really wussy on that bike. Good show. I took a good look at the bike and it definitely wasn't a Harley. Looked like a metric cruiser of some sort. Maybe a Roadstar. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 14:10:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MIAtO7018251; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:10:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MIAtes018243; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:10:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002301c279f7$1cdfb0a0$ae88db42@ALLOUTRACING> Reply-To: "Gary-All Out Racing" From: "Gary-All Out Racing" To: "Motor PsychoL Danny" Cc: References: <1F092B3A.767360D3.0C9D3659@aol.com> <002601c279e7$d821df60$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3u0brugb4fc5ealc5mh008f3iajsv41ur2@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Lots of Moto Content on Third Watch Last Night Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:16:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 DREW CARREY SHOW-After a near death experience he buys a BMW-Gary AOR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Motor PsychoL Danny" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Lots of Moto Content on Third Watch Last Night > Or king of queens.. whre the guy gets a harley cuz ofa midlife > crisis, can't ride it, and rides right into his garage wall. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 14:29:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MITaO7018412; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:29:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MITZlZ018402; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:29:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lots of Moto Content on Third Watch Last Night Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:29:23 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <1F092B3A.767360D3.0C9D3659@aol.com> <3u0brugb4fc5ealc5mh008f3iajsv41ur2@4ax.com> <002301c279f7$1cdfb0a0$ae88db42@ALLOUTRACING> In-Reply-To: <002301c279f7$1cdfb0a0$ae88db42@ALLOUTRACING> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210221429233P.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, if you're going to go that way: The New WKRP In Cincinatti. Les Nesman buys a bike after Mr. Carlson misunderstands what he overheard the nurse say when she was actually talking about the dog being put down. I think it was Herb who said, "Mercy date, classy." to the night time hot babe DJ (can't recall her persona [no I'm not going to the WKRP fansite to find out]) after she agreed to a ride with Les. Carl On Tuesday 22 October 2002 14:16, Gary-All Out Racing wrote: > DREW CARREY SHOW-After a near death experience he buys a BMW-Gary AOR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Motor PsychoL Danny" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 12:59 PM > Subject: Re: Lots of Moto Content on Third Watch Last Night > > > Or king of queens.. whre the guy gets a harley cuz ofa midlife > > crisis, can't ride it, and rides right into his garage wall. -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 15:35:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MJZOO7018811; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:35:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MJZMtl018801; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:35:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Paul Wilson" To: Subject: http://www.amadirectlink.com/index.asp?ad=/legisltn/releases/2002/G02036.asp Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:34:16 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2002 19:34:16.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[02299CC0:01C27A02] I thought you might be interested in the following article: http://www.amadirectlink.com/index.asp?ad=/legisltn/releases/2002/G02036.a sp I found it on AMADirectlink, the official website of the American Motorcyclist Association )B– a 270,000-member organization with an unparalleled history of pursuing, protecting and promoting the interests of the world)B’s largest and most dedicated group of motorcycle enthusiasts. Paul Wilson pawilson@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 15:41:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MJfMO7018884; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:41:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MJfMBP018876; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:41:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021022153838.02dbb5b0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:41:13 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: http://www.amadirectlink.com/index.asp?ad=/legisltn/releases/2002/G0203 6.asp In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9MJfLO7018859 At 03:34 PM 10/22/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: >I thought you might be interested in the following article: > >http://www.amadirectlink.com/index.asp?ad=/legisltn/releases/2002/G02036.a >sp > >I found it on AMADirectlink, the official website of the American >Motorcyclist Association )B­ a 270,000-member organization with an >unparalleled history of pursuing, protecting and promoting the interests >of the world)B’s largest and most dedicated group of motorcycle enthusiasts. > >Paul Wilson >pawilson@XXXXXX ..it's been something the membership has been lobbying for years. $2M is about 1/5th of what is needed (originally it was estimated that $10M would be needed to cover the costs of accumulation of data and distribution). $2M is definitely going in the right direction though. I think a new study is way overdue. The demographics of the motorcycling industry has changed significantly since the Hurt Report came out. Ironically, by the time this new report is finished, it'll probably be out of date as well. -aki (AMA Life Member) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 18:24:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MMOlO7019839; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:24:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MMOkDU019829; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:24:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB5D173.D9BD4C5D@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:30:12 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: wrap-around grip warmers (was RE: Winter Glove Recommendation again...) References: <20021022152826.26199.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit matthew patton wrote: > Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. > - signed the Cat & the Dog > (at least WE only mate when the 'she' is in heat) > (even us ANIMALS manage to chose a mate for life) > Hahahahaha... Perhaps Matt would like to name three animals out the thousands of specie that mate for life. Excluding the black widows, praying mantis, and others who literally *eat* the stud after boinking him. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 18:59:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MMxTO7020076; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:59:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MMxR37020061; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:59:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021022225924.74474.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: my spin on the Humane Society bumper sticker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3DB5D173.D9BD4C5D@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, this isn't intended to start a public flame fest. If you want to discuss it take it offline. My asbestos is ready as is my extinguisher. The first few para's answer Bill's question. If you don't want to, don't read past the para leading off with (matt). cue the WWF or your favorite search engine for "animals that mate for life" or similar search terms. But to answer the question: http://www.worldwildlife.org/news/headline.cfm?newsid=243 Wolves, beavers, gibbons and a small African antelope known as a dik-dik - all of which represent different groups of animals - are among the mammals thought by scientists to live in stable, monogamous pairs ... Among birds, some of the most famously faithful are penguins, cranes, pigeons, and parrots. Geese, swans, doves, and albatrosses are generally believed to remain totally faithful to one partner death do them part. ... Gibbons, as well as orangutans and gorillas, are anthropoid apes, the primates that most closely resemble humans, physically and behaviorally. Regarded as monogamous, male and female gibbons pair up for life, forming a family that stays together until the offspring grow up and leave home. and an interesting observation: By contrast, female mammals reproduce through an internal nurturing of an embryo, then develop mammary glands which produce milk, a food source for newborns. With no immediate responsibility to raise the young, the male mammal is free to pursue other sexual liaisons. When mammals are monogamous, it is usually because male involvement in parenting is necessary, such as in training young wolves how to hunt. caution!!! (matt)And training our young sons and daughters how to be responsible young adults is any less important than a wolf cub learning how to hunt? Just yesturday ABC/CBS/Somebody had a piece about Grandparents (normally grandmothers) raising the grandchildren because the parents were either in jail, too young to parent, substance addicted, or dead from crime related activities. Indeed the purpose-built/funded community was being extolled as something other cities wanted to emulate. HELLO! Why don't we instead fix the flaming problem? --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > matthew patton wrote: > > > Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. > > - signed the Cat & the Dog > > (at least WE only mate when the 'she' is in heat) > > (even us ANIMALS manage to chose a mate for life) > > > > Hahahahaha... Perhaps Matt would like to name three animals out the > thousands of specie that mate for life. Excluding the black widows, ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog (at least WE only mate when the 'she' is in heat) (even us ANIMALS manage to chose a mate for life) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 19:03:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MN3SO7020311; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:03:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MN3SjN020305; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:03:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021022190301.00b438f8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:03:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: my spin on the Humane Society bumper sticker In-Reply-To: <20021022225924.74474.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3DB5D173.D9BD4C5D@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:59 PM 10/22/2002, matthew patton wrote: heheheheheheheheheh he said "dik dik" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 19:38:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9MNcDO7020664; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:38:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9MNcB08020654; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:38:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB5E2A7.BEC25C4C@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:43:35 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my spin on the Humane Society bumper sticker References: <20021022225924.74474.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nah, no flame fest offline or on. I figure you'll be busy this week and I don't want to distract you. I seem to recall the church on the corner near my house is your home base, and I heard that this weekend they'll be hosting the group who claims they can *reform* gays and lesbians. You should volunteer to escort the main man and keep him out of trouble. Last time he was in town with as poster gay-turned-straight dude he kinda fell off the wagon and got caught cruising a gay bar in DC. But about those birds - thought to be monogamous until a bunch of biologists tested the offspring DNA and discovered that while Mr Reliable nest-building, food-gathering male partner was at work, his wife-bird had been cavorting with sporty males who had prettier feathers, resulting in about half the hatchlings being bastard birds. And humans sure aren't life-maters. Check the divorce rate. It's silly to even promote life mating as a genetic/biological gimmee. It's a choice made by two partners who decide they like each other a lot.. A choice, unlike sexual orientation which is hard wired into one's brain. But don't let science lead you astray from the path of rightiousness :-) Bill - who after 36 of marriage years is getting close to mating for life if my youthful transgressions can be excused. matthew patton wrote: > Ok, this isn't intended to start a public flame fest. If you want to > discuss it take it offline. My asbestos is ready as is my extinguisher. > The first few para's answer Bill's question. If you don't want to, > don't read past the para leading off with (matt). > > cue the WWF or your favorite search engine for "animals that mate for > life" or similar search terms. > > But to answer the question: > http://www.worldwildlife.org/news/headline.cfm?newsid=243 > > Wolves, beavers, gibbons and a small African antelope known as a > dik-dik - all of which represent different groups of animals - are > among the mammals thought by scientists to live in stable, monogamous > pairs > ... > Among birds, some of the most famously faithful are penguins, cranes, > pigeons, and parrots. Geese, swans, doves, and albatrosses are > generally believed to remain totally faithful to one partner death do > them part. > ... > Gibbons, as well as orangutans and gorillas, are anthropoid apes, the > primates that most closely resemble humans, physically and > behaviorally. Regarded as monogamous, male and female gibbons pair up > for life, forming a family that stays together until the offspring grow > up and leave home. > > and an interesting observation: > By contrast, female mammals reproduce through an internal nurturing of > an embryo, then develop mammary glands which produce milk, a food > source for newborns. With no immediate responsibility to raise the > young, the male mammal is free to pursue other sexual liaisons. When > mammals are monogamous, it is usually because male involvement in > parenting is necessary, such as in training young wolves how to hunt. > > caution!!! > (matt)And training our young sons and daughters how to be responsible > young adults is any less important than a wolf cub learning how to > hunt? Just yesturday ABC/CBS/Somebody had a piece about Grandparents > (normally grandmothers) raising the grandchildren because the parents > were either in jail, too young to parent, substance addicted, or dead > from crime related activities. Indeed the purpose-built/funded > community was being extolled as something other cities wanted to > emulate. HELLO! Why don't we instead fix the flaming problem? > > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > matthew patton wrote: > > > > > Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. > > > - signed the Cat & the Dog > > > (at least WE only mate when the 'she' is in heat) > > > (even us ANIMALS manage to chose a mate for life) > > > > > > > Hahahahaha... Perhaps Matt would like to name three animals out the > > thousands of specie that mate for life. Excluding the black widows, > > ===== > Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. > - signed the Cat & the Dog > (at least WE only mate when the 'she' is in heat) > (even us ANIMALS manage to chose a mate for life) > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 20:02:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9N029O7020971; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:02:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9N028RI020963; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:02:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:02:04 -0400 Subject: FS: handgrip warmers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <20021022152826.26199.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021022152826.26199.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resistance heater, fits inside tubular handlebars. Takes about 10 minutes to warm up. $20. Pluses: (1) Reliable (except for cheesy plastic switch)---used mine 4 years and still works fine. Minuses: (1) Requires 1-2 hours to install and drilling a small hole in handlebar. (2) Like all bar-type heaters, it only warms the palm-side of your hands. --garcia "In the United States, Land of the Free and Home of the Brave, you have to pass a drug test in order to get a job stacking boxes of Cheerios." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 21:22:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9N1MwO7021399; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:22:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9N1Mva2021389; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:22:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3d.267003b9.2ae753ea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:22:50 EDT Subject: Re: another shooting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/22/2002 8:15:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, macda@XXXXXX writes: > I agree they must do something, Whadaya mean _they?_ It will stop when one of _us_ does something. That means someone who will not drop and hide or look to see what it looks like when someone gets shot. Someone who will look to the nearest place to shoot from and see something worthwhile. Better yet jump on a bike and run the bastard down. The cops simply cannot be everywhere. I have said it before, it will be a "normal" citizen that nails this slime either by seeing something, or... What the hell this "sniper" cannot hit a moving target, or reload, hear a shot? Run towards it, you should be safe. If not, do not blame me, I mean the guy had a gun for crissakes, never run at a guy with a gun. To the cops on the list. Stay safe, good hunting. And if you need some folks who can move through traffic looking for this guy I know a few. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 21:29:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9N1TDO7021457; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:29:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9N1TAEs021447; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:29:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021023012908.49201.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:29:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: my spin on the Humane Society bumper sticker To: "William J. Huson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3DB5E2A7.BEC25C4C@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ah, you must be near the Fairfax Bible Church. They had a full-page ad in the Post this week about 'gay (back to straight) conversions'. Oh boy............ --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Nah, no flame fest offline or on. I figure you'll > be busy this week and I > don't want to distract you. I seem to recall the > church on the corner near > my house is your home base, and I heard that this > weekend they'll be > hosting the group who claims they can *reform* gays > and lesbians. You > should volunteer to escort the main man and keep him > out of trouble. Last > time he was in town with as poster > gay-turned-straight dude he kinda fell > off the wagon and got caught cruising a gay bar in > DC. > > But about those birds - thought to be monogamous > until a bunch of > biologists tested the offspring DNA and discovered > that while Mr Reliable > nest-building, food-gathering male partner was at > work, his wife-bird had > been cavorting with sporty males who had prettier > feathers, resulting in > about half the hatchlings being bastard birds. > > And humans sure aren't life-maters. Check the > divorce rate. It's silly to > even promote life mating as a genetic/biological > gimmee. It's a choice > made by two partners who decide they like each other > a lot.. A choice, > unlike sexual orientation which is hard wired into > one's brain. But don't > let science lead you astray from the path of > rightiousness :-) > > Bill - who after 36 of marriage years is getting > close to mating for life > if my youthful transgressions can be excused. > > matthew patton wrote: > > > Ok, this isn't intended to start a public flame > fest. If you want to > > discuss it take it offline. My asbestos is ready > as is my extinguisher. > > The first few para's answer Bill's question. If > you don't want to, > > don't read past the para leading off with (matt). > > > > cue the WWF or your favorite search engine for > "animals that mate for > > life" or similar search terms. > > > > But to answer the question: > > > http://www.worldwildlife.org/news/headline.cfm?newsid=243 > > > > Wolves, beavers, gibbons and a small African > antelope known as a > > dik-dik - all of which represent different groups > of animals - are > > among the mammals thought by scientists to live in > stable, monogamous > > pairs > > ... > > Among birds, some of the most famously faithful > are penguins, cranes, > > pigeons, and parrots. Geese, swans, doves, and > albatrosses are > > generally believed to remain totally faithful to > one partner death do > > them part. > > ... > > Gibbons, as well as orangutans and gorillas, are > anthropoid apes, the > > primates that most closely resemble humans, > physically and > > behaviorally. Regarded as monogamous, male and > female gibbons pair up > > for life, forming a family that stays together > until the offspring grow > > up and leave home. > > > > and an interesting observation: > > By contrast, female mammals reproduce through an > internal nurturing of > > an embryo, then develop mammary glands which > produce milk, a food > > source for newborns. With no immediate > responsibility to raise the > > young, the male mammal is free to pursue other > sexual liaisons. When > > mammals are monogamous, it is usually because male > involvement in > > parenting is necessary, such as in training young > wolves how to hunt. > > > > caution!!! > > (matt)And training our young sons and daughters > how to be responsible > > young adults is any less important than a wolf cub > learning how to > > hunt? Just yesturday ABC/CBS/Somebody had a piece > about Grandparents > > (normally grandmothers) raising the grandchildren > because the parents > > were either in jail, too young to parent, > substance addicted, or dead > > from crime related activities. Indeed the > purpose-built/funded > > community was being extolled as something other > cities wanted to > > emulate. HELLO! Why don't we instead fix the > flaming problem? > > > > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > matthew patton wrote: > > > > > > > Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the > responsible way. > > > > - signed the Cat & the Dog > > > > (at least WE only mate when the 'she' is in > heat) > > > > (even us ANIMALS manage to chose a mate for > life) > > > > > > > > > > Hahahahaha... Perhaps Matt would like to name > three animals out the > > > thousands of specie that mate for life. > Excluding the black widows, > > > > ===== > > Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the > responsible way. > > - signed the Cat & the Dog > > (at least WE only mate when the 'she' is in heat) > > (even us ANIMALS manage to chose a mate for life) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 22 23:51:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9N3p8O7022103; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:51:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9N3p7YU022093; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:51:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002801c27a47$396b5f80$788b5b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Outta my way, its fall riding weather Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:49:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Paul Wilson noted a piece about: "After repeated calls by the AMA for new comprehensive research on the subject, the House Appropriations Committee has recommended giving the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) $2 million to begin updating its 23-year-old study into the causes of motor-vehicle crashes." Appears to be car-bound congressman running scared and looking for pc alternatives to "gridlock" -- which subject, incidentally, titles a WETA hour Thursday 10/24 at 8p. This *may be* new and the promo talks of a local take with names such as Warner, Duncan, and Dr. Gridlock. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > How about a few hundred grand devoted to the non-risks of lanesplitting? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 06:40:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NAesO7024470; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 06:40:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NAeqkn024460; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 06:40:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 06:56:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: Winter Glove Recommendation again... In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52399E6@SERVER1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Rich Hall wrote: > Did you see what brand they were last night? Me? I checked the gloves and they have a very small tag inside that says "HIPORA". -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 07:17:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NBHpO7024684; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:17:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NBHoeR024674; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:17:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: another shooting Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:27:02 -0400 Message-ID: <6p0druk4ofn3g5c54tsp4a9k3ock2bd8cp@4ax.com> References: <3d.267003b9.2ae753ea@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <3d.267003b9.2ae753ea@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9NBHnO7024657 I'm still convinced that it will be someone who "informs" the police who the sniper is, that leads to his capture. Just like the unabomber was caught. I dont' think the public will see thsi guy and i dont' think the police will catch him red handed. If it's not that, then it will be he's caught through the evidence and tracing of the sniper trying to stay in communication with the cops. They'll probably trace down his foriegn? bank account (who started it) or a phone call or something. Only thing we really know about this guy is that 1>he owns a rifle 2> he is familiar with montgomery county 3> He is probably familiar with southern VA as well. I think the police need to urge the public to call the police and requests for tips of anyone fitting that profile "so they can be cleared as not being the shooter". A naive old lady may not call to "infer" her son, but she might call to "clear him". The media keep attributing the first shot as the michaels arts and crafts store window hit, however there was a similar shooting to a liquor store employee two weeks prior. There has to be something involved with that. I can only assume and hope investigators thoroughly investegated that. What are the odds of this M.O not being related. billions to one? It's him. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 07:19:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NBJQO7024726; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:19:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NBJPiF024716; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:19:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Anti Freeze Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:19:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Interesting fact... is this also true with race cars? > Anyway, does anyone know if there is such thing as race track > safe/allowed anti-freeze? >No. Antifreeze is ethylene glycol based which is extremely slippery when >spilled and very difficult to clean up, not to mention poisonous and >hazardous to the environment. It's why they aren't allowed. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 07:35:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NBZqO7024839; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:35:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NBZqM5024829; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:35:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 3rd Watch Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:34:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2002 11:34:45.0846 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FF40F60:01C27A88] Hoolyweed has it completely backasswards... you would think that a fireman who had "survived 911" would be living life at the fullest... having cheated death in a big way. Isn't that a better message than... oh my, now I must be safe... I guess cigars, bourbon and cheap wimin, driving 110 in the desert... (I could go on and on...) are off the list for that guy. I wonder if he survived the Madonna movie? ---- ate: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:01:33 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lots of Moto Content on Third Watch Last Night So....what? Now he's not gonna ride a bike any more? Or, he is gonna ride but now with a full-face helmet and preach safety? I'm curious how it'll go. If he never rides again, what does that say to the audience? Scooter Never meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month.)B  Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 07:39:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NBd1O7024877; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:39:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NBd1OT024869; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:39:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Choppers, helmets, guns, braking and filtering...LET'S GO! Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:37:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2002 11:37:55.0869 (UTC) FILETIME=[A13744D0:01C27A88] It's like daddy always told me.... rubber creates more friction than metal. ------------------------------------- Don't get me started. How about "Six Feet Under" where one of the funeral parlor's customers dies in a crash. The deceased rider's friends get the bike (chopper) fixed and give it to Nate. In some scenes he wears a shortie helmet, in others he rides around bare-headed. I suppose the Third Watch rider "laid it down to avoid a crash." Never meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free!)B  Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 07:44:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NBihO7024944; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:44:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NBigmW024932; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:44:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Horse sense Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:44:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2002 11:44:35.0342 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F5202E0:01C27A89] Posers really do that! I firmly believe that riders are riders and bikers are bikers and that riders become bikers if they practice long enough. How about everyone who's never ridden before... is required to buy a used bike, say 450cc max, personnally bring it up to standards, ride it some before "graduating" to the next level. Japan (for one) has graduated licensing, if you ride a 750cc in Japan... you have been through several bikes and extensive practicle and subject testing. Didn't they do that back in the days of horses... I mean, you just didn't git up and ride... you learned how to care for the horse, feed it, treat it, train it.... Isn't it somewhat the same thing? ======== Or king of queens.. whre the guy gets a harley cuz ofa midlife crisis, can't ride it, and rides right into his garage wall. Screw the cute little sayings on the bottom of the email aw _________________________________________________________________ Broadband?)B Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 08:15:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NCFoO7025131; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:15:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NCFnim025121; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:15:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB69438.5E04BF81@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:21:12 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Wah CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Horse sense References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam Wah wrote: > How about everyone who's never ridden before... is required to buy a used > bike, say 450cc max, personnally bring it up to standards, ride it some > before "graduating" to the next level. Japan (for one) has graduated > licensing, if you ride a 750cc in Japan... you have been through several > bikes and extensive practicle and subject testing. England does that by default. One can avoid a major tax hit by sticking to a bike under 250cc and riding on some sort of *provisional* license. Many never graduate to a larger bike, seeking to avoid that tax hit. A workable solution. Every 250 I've ever riden is capable of reaching highway speed, one bike I had could zoom into triple digits, although the '70s vintage suspension sucked which made it one flaky ride. But this is `Murica, land of the free. Other than the requirement to tag and obtain a operator's permit, `Muricans are free to defy the grim reaper on any scoot they so desire. LAck of $$$ influenced my introduction to scoots - started on a 90cc, up to a 250cc, 350cc, 550cc, and now a whopping 1340cc Hawg. Bill I'm not screwing cute sayings, I like girls! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 08:27:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NCRSO7025219; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:27:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NCRSnq025209; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:27:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021023122720.62689.qmail@web40908.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 05:27:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Past rides through the DC area To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In the past, I remember there being at least two group rides offered through DC-Cycles that went through various parts of Washington, DC. One went to the various parks, another highlighted some of the scenic roads. I looked on the DCCycles web page (hard to read with white text and white background in some places) but couldn't find any ride sheets for either of these rides. Are the leaders of these rides still on-line? If so, and if you still have a copy, could I take a look at the ride sheets? I've been asked to help organize a ride for the Concours Owners Group in the DC area for next year and would like to get some ideas on where to begin. Thanks, Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 08:29:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NCTmO7025256; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:29:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NCTm8k025246; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:29:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021023122940.37740.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 05:29:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: Horse sense To: "William J. Huson" , Adam Wah Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3DB69438.5E04BF81@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree that we should have some sort of system like this. I started riding dirtbikes when I was 7 (1976 XR 75) and rode every type of dirt bike up to a CR500 (nasty ass bike, BTW) by the time I was 18. I had never ridden a street bike until 3 years ago, and ended up buying a GSXR 750 as a first bike. Thankfully it needed a clutch(slipped above 7k) and I rode it that way for about 8 mos.(I thought this would be a great way to keep me out of trouble). It worked out great, but I would have much rather used the graduating system, seems to be what I preach to friends that ask advice for first bikes. Ironic that I use the, "Don't do what I did..." Amazing how hindsight is always 20/20. Nick --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Adam Wah wrote: > > > How about everyone who's never ridden before... is > required to buy a used > > bike, say 450cc max, personnally bring it up to > standards, ride it some > > before "graduating" to the next level. Japan (for > one) has graduated > > licensing, if you ride a 750cc in Japan... you > have been through several > > bikes and extensive practicle and subject testing. > > England does that by default. One can avoid a major > tax hit by sticking to a > bike under 250cc and riding on some sort of > *provisional* license. Many never > graduate to a larger bike, seeking to avoid that tax > hit. A workable solution. > Every 250 I've ever riden is capable of reaching > highway speed, one bike I had > could zoom into triple digits, although the '70s > vintage suspension sucked which > made it one flaky ride. > > But this is `Murica, land of the free. Other than > the requirement to tag and > obtain a operator's permit, `Muricans are free to > defy the grim reaper on any > scoot they so desire. LAck of $$$ influenced my > introduction to scoots - > started on a 90cc, up to a 250cc, 350cc, 550cc, and > now a whopping 1340cc Hawg. > > Bill > I'm not screwing cute sayings, I like girls! > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 09:01:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ND11O7025475; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:01:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ND10JU025450; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:01:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021023130057.99458.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 06:00:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Winter Glove Recommendation again... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In case you all are interested, I went with the Tourmaster Polar Tex, red and black gloves and the Joe Rocket Ballistic 4.0 pants for my winter (2 miles!) commute. Thanks mark --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Rich Hall wrote: > > > Did you see what brand they were last night? > > Me? I checked the gloves and they have a very small > tag inside that says > "HIPORA". > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 09:14:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NDEoO7025591; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:14:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NDEmXI025576; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:14:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003401c27a96$335b4de0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles" References: <20021023122720.62689.qmail@web40908.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Past rides through the DC area Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:14:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Louis, et al., I organized one last November. I may do something similar this year on a different route, if there's interest. Ride sheet here in Excel spreadsheet. www.wilsonline.org/vfr/dcride.xls Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:27 AM Subject: Past rides through the DC area > In the past, I remember there being at least two group rides offered through > DC-Cycles that went through various parts of Washington, DC. One went to the > various parks, another highlighted some of the scenic roads. I looked on the > DCCycles web page (hard to read with white text and white background in some > places) but couldn't find any ride sheets for either of these rides. Are the > leaders of these rides still on-line? If so, and if you still have a copy, > could I take a look at the ride sheets? I've been asked to help organize a > ride for the Concours Owners Group in the DC area for next year and would like > to get some ideas on where to begin. > > Thanks, > > Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 09:17:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NDHDO7025632; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:17:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NDHDAY025624; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:17:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021023091553.00b8c418@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:17:05 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: OT: If there's any LEO's on this list... In-Reply-To: <003401c27a96$335b4de0$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <20021023122720.62689.qmail@web40908.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed especially Fairfax Cty officers, can you ping off-line? I have some questions to ask..non-moto related. *and no, I'm not in trouble* ;-) cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 09:24:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NDOvO7025721; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:24:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NDOumo025711; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:24:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <0A5C43B71EC8EE4F8393BCADE546841A780B1D@vie-its-exs02> From: "Keiser, Rudy" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Horse sense Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:27:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't have a problem with graduated licenses as long as it is also applied where it's really needed - SUVs. I am sick of people who can't drive them and can't park them. Make them drive a Ford Focus or Toyota Echo for a while. Rudy '01 SV 650 (I guess a small bike by today's standards) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 09:32:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NDWNO7025858; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:32:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NDWNJ4025850; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:32:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5239AD8@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Winter Glove Recommendation again... Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:33:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" After a quick search it looks like "Hipora" is a lining like "Thinsulate". --- Wayne Edelen wrote: I checked the gloves and they have a very small tag inside that says "HIPORA". From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 09:32:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NDWfO7025901; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:32:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NDWfnf025890; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:32:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008901c27a98$b36bcf80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" , "Adam Wah" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <3DB69438.5E04BF81@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Horse sense Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:32:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" > Adam Wah wrote: > > > How about everyone who's never ridden before... is required to buy a used > > bike, say 450cc max, personally bring it up to standards, ride it some > > before "graduating" to the next level. .. > > But this is `Murica, land of the free. Other than the requirement to tag and > obtain a operator's permit, `Muricans are free to defy the grim reaper on any > scoot they so desire. LAck of $$$ influenced my introduction to scoots - > started on a 90cc, up to a 250cc, 350cc, 550cc, and now a whopping 1340cc Hawg. > > Bill Operator's permit? Hmmm, witness the MSF classes I teach. Some of the more "mature" students are there for their endorsements and claim to have been riding "for years." Graduated licensing will not happen here, especially since the smallest bike the Motor Company makes is an 883 and has a larger displacement than my VFR and a lot of road rockets. Horsepower is a different matter, obviously. While we 'Muricans don't like the gubmint regulatin' the bikes we can ride, we seem less concerned when insurance companies do the exact same thing. Ditto with health care. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 09:42:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NDgQO7026008; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:42:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NDgQrR025998; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:42:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 23 Oct 2002 13:42:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20021023134259.1179.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Horse sense X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Rudy opined: >I don't have a problem with graduated licenses as long as it is also applied >where it's really needed - SUVs. [Dave] Graduated licensing. Great idea. After 50, you can only drive smaller & smaller cages until 60, when your license is automatically revoked unless you pass reflex, vision, hearing & skills tests which are administered every 6 months... I'm all for it. ;-) Dave Yates ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 09:43:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NDhbO7026042; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:43:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NDhbRm026034; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:43:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021023134330.45589.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 06:43:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: Horse sense To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021023134259.1179.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hahaha, Ditto that!! Nick --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Rudy opined: > >I don't have a problem with graduated licenses as > long as it > is also applied > >where it's really needed - SUVs. > > [Dave] Graduated licensing. Great idea. After 50, > you can > only drive smaller & smaller cages until 60, when > your > license is automatically revoked unless you pass > reflex, > vision, hearing & skills tests which are > administered every 6 > months... I'm all for it. ;-) > > Dave Yates > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Powered by Wild On Web: > Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from > Anywhere in the World! > http://www.wildonweb.com > |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| > |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 09:47:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NDlUO7026103; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:47:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NDlUfw026095; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:47:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Horse sense Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:56:44 -0400 Message-ID: References: <3DB69438.5E04BF81@patriot.net> <20021023122940.37740.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021023122940.37740.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9NDlTO7026078 Sounds good to me, but can we make car drivers learn on mopeds first? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 10:32:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NEWlO7026415; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:32:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NEWjff026405; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:32:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB6B220.BCF2AB60@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:28:48 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Gorillaz aint so virtuous... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When more closely observed female gorillas will actually sleep around on their monogomous mate. They do it secretly because honestly who wants to piss off an 800lb gorilla. Apparently since gorillas stay in rather small communities this infidelity is important to keep the gene-pool hopping. The males, for the most part, go on unawarez. My .02 Carl Parker aka "The Carl who is also Carl" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 10:38:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NEc2O7026524; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:38:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NEc2NE026516; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:38:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB6B595.67421698@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:43:33 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Horse sense References: <20021023134259.1179.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah, yes, the bleating of the young. 60 isn't *old*, being 59 meself and still able to saddle up on a bike or a [censored by the net police]. The DMV tests my eyeballs everytime I go for a permit renewal, still no glasses required. Deaf folks are allowed to drive, so what's the point of testing hearing? Unless you wish to pass laws agaiunst sound systems in cars which can easily negate sensory traffic input to one's ears. Reflex and skills tests could be a periodic requirement for everyone. The young are not immune to heath problems which can cause slow reactions, and in their frisky lives probably more apt to be driving in zone-land caused by a variety of *substances*. Bill sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > [Dave] Graduated licensing. Great idea. After 50, you can > only drive smaller & smaller cages until 60, when your > license is automatically revoked unless you pass reflex, > vision, hearing & skills tests which are administered every 6 > months... I'm all for it. ;-) > > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 11:28:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NFSZO7027100; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:28:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NFSYhU027092; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:28:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021023152832.81378.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:28:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Horse sense To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021023134259.1179.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Rudy opined: > >I don't have a problem with graduated licenses as long > as it > is also applied > >where it's really needed - SUVs. > > [Dave] Graduated licensing. Great idea. After 50, you > can > only drive smaller & smaller cages until 60, when your > license is automatically revoked unless you pass reflex, > vision, hearing & skills tests which are administered > every 6 > months... I'm all for it. ;-) bluehair legislation. excellent idea! welcome back, djy. i thought we had scared you off. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 12:37:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NGb8O7027677; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:37:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NGb4Vl027667; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:37:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021023163702.12230.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:37:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Horse sense To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021023122940.37740.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I disagree. Time doesn't make experience and skill. Miles don't make experience and skill. Size of the vehicle doesn't make experience and skill. There are many way to get experience and skill and there are many people who will never make it. Right now, the licensing of drivers (and that includes motorcyclists) is a joke. However, I believe that 'fixing' the problem will be worse than ignoring it. Here in America, people don't know how to drive, I think that's reasonable, let's leave it as it is. I will support changes in the other direction. Since the real issue is responsibility, then shouldn't this be a liability and insurance issue rather than a training issue? Anyone who can restore the damages done by their errors in driving should not be restrained from driving before they get the chance to show that they can do so without screwing things up. Leon. And rich folks learned to ride without ever learning to feed and care for a horse. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 12:42:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NGglO7027752; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:42:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NGglaM027742; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:42:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000f01c27ab2$e74c4d60$52745c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: More MC in the Public Press (Indian and MSF) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:40:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Increasing MC attention from the NYTimes (www.nytimes.com, signin reqd, or stands). From today's special "Car Section", a full page, 2/3 on the new Indian Motorcycle Co. and the brand in general, the rest a story by a recent MSF course student and a little squib on max speedsters (like a 250mph turbine model). Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > As they get serious, they'll profile Vulcans Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 12:42:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NGgvO7027783; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:42:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NGgv59027779; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:42:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01df01c27ab3$47fa0ee0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <20021023163702.12230.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Horse sense Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:43:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Begeman" > I disagree. > > Time doesn't make experience and skill. Miles don't > make experience and skill. Size of the vehicle > doesn't make experience and skill. There are many way > to get experience and skill and there are many people > who will never make it. > .. > > Leon. > > And rich folks learned to ride without ever learning > to feed and care for a horse. > I "learned to ride a horse" by going to the stables in Rock Creek Park and plunking down my $25 per hour, or whatever the charge is, to go on trail rides. I can now go to Wyoming and ride in the back country trails without looking completely stupid. SWMBO can ride rings around me in the saddle, much to her delight. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 12:58:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NGw1O7028288; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:58:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NGvwNV028274; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:57:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021023165756.45980.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:57:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: Horse sense To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021023163702.12230.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If damages were limited to property, I'd agree with you. However how can you restore a lost love one or give someone back a physical ability they lost due to an accident? American drivers do suck. Spending a couple days driving in Germany highlighted how bad our drivers are. Keith --- Leon Begeman wrote: > I disagree. > > Time doesn't make experience and skill. Miles don't > make experience and skill. Size of the vehicle > doesn't make experience and skill. There are many > way > to get experience and skill and there are many > people > who will never make it. > > Right now, the licensing of drivers (and that > includes > motorcyclists) is a joke. However, I believe that > 'fixing' the problem will be worse than ignoring it. > > Here in America, people don't know how to drive, I > think that's reasonable, let's leave it as it is. > > I will support changes in the other direction. > Since > the real issue is responsibility, then shouldn't > this > be a liability and insurance issue rather than a > training issue? Anyone who can restore the damages > done by their errors in driving should not be > restrained from driving before they get the chance > to > show that they can do so without screwing things up. > > Leon. > > And rich folks learned to ride without ever learning > to feed and care for a horse. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 14:19:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NIJ1O7028941; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:19:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NIJ0jm028929; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:19:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB6E726.E303EAD@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:15:02 -0400 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles , SABMAGERS Subject: OT: Looking for room... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey All, Crazy sh*t is happening and I'm looking for a motorcycle freindly place to stay in Northern VA for the next few months till I graduate and preferrably not too expensive cuz' I ain't getting paid too much right now. So if anyone has any friends who are looking to share a place please lemme know. I hate to bother you all with stuff like this. Thanks, Carl Parker aka "The Carl that is also Carl" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 15:14:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NJEEO7029504; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:14:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NJEDmi029496; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:14:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Leon Begeman Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Horse sense Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:23:30 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20021023122940.37740.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> <20021023163702.12230.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021023163702.12230.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9NJECO7029484 The only problem with that theory is, you can't undo killing people because you can't drive. No amount of insurance is going to negate a family being mowed down at a bus stop or some such. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 16:27:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NKRPO7030013; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:27:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NKRNbQ030003; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:27:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021023202721.13019.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:27:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Horse sense To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > > The only problem with that theory is, you can't undo > killing people > because you can't drive. No amount of insurance is > going to negate > a family being mowed down at a bus stop or some such. Really? So you're telling me that the only thing keeping people without a driver's license from doing something like that right now is the fact that the penalty driving without a driver's license is so severe that it prevents them from driving at all? That if that single penalty was lifted, we wouldn't be able to prosecute anyone for any infraction of the motor vehicle laws? That suddenly it would become 'ok' to run a family over with a car? The answer of course is that the penalty would not change. The lack of a driver's license isn't what keeps people from driving, the penalty for failing to obey the law is what keeps people without a license from driving. That wouldn't change. The license itself serves little purpose. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 17:00:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NL01O7030199; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:00:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NL00s3030180; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:00:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, roadrunnaz@XXXXXX Subject: Need 01 GSXR fairing stay Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:09:18 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9NKxxO7030168 If anyone has one, or knows someone selling one, please let me know. Thank you Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 18:25:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NMPRO7030812; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:25:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NMPQb0030804; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:25:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02aa01c27ae3$17a74c00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <200210230956.AA157286898@mail.toward.com> Subject: Tour de DC, Nov. 17th?, was Re: Past rides through the DC area Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:25:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 OK, show of hands. Who'd been interested in a Sunday brunch + 40-mile ride through the wild streets of DC? I'm looking at Sunday, Nov. 17th. 24th is a possibility too, although it's getting close to the Holidaze. Route will be different from last year, for you repeat offenders. As one participant last year said, "that's the longest 40-mile ride I've ever taken." Twisties? DC? Why, yes! Come help me fill up my National Parks Master Traveler Passport, my latest Ironbutt Association quest/obsession. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Norloff" To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Past rides through the DC area > Yes! I think that's an excellent idea. > > Chris Norloff > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Paul Wilson" > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:14:44 -0400 > > >Louis, et al., I organized one last November. I may do something similar > >this year on a different route, if there's interest. Ride sheet here in > >Excel spreadsheet. www.wilsonline.org/vfr/dcride.xls > > > > > >Paul in DC > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Louis F. Caplan" > >To: "DC-Cycles" > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:27 AM > >Subject: Past rides through the DC area > > > > > >> In the past, I remember there being at least two group rides offered > >through > >> DC-Cycles that went through various parts of Washington, DC. One went to > >the > >> various parks, another highlighted some of the scenic roads. I looked on > >the > >> DCCycles web page (hard to read with white text and white background in > >some > >> places) but couldn't find any ride sheets for either of these rides. Are > >the > >> leaders of these rides still on-line? If so, and if you still have a > >copy, > >> could I take a look at the ride sheets? I've been asked to help organize > >a > >> ride for the Concours Owners Group in the DC area for next year and would > >like > >> to get some ideas on where to begin. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Louis > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 18:41:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NMfWO7030966; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:41:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NMfVnn030956; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:41:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:41:23 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Tour de DC, Nov. 17th?, was Re: Past rides through the DC area To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles list Message-id: <3DB72593.C29A3271@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200210230956.AA157286898@mail.toward.com> <02aa01c27ae3$17a74c00$bb82fea9@palladio1> Paul Wilson wrote: > > OK, show of hands. Who'd been interested in a Sunday brunch + 40-mile ride > through the wild streets of DC? I'm looking at Sunday, Nov. 17th. 24th is > a possibility too, although it's getting close to the Holidaze. Me! Sundays are good, that day doesn't interfere with hunting season. :) > Come help me fill up my National > Parks Master Traveler Passport, my latest Ironbutt Association > quest/obsession. Oooh, good luck! I've been eyeing that one, it's on the "to-do" list now that I'm happily entrenched in my retirement. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 19:59:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9NNxoO7031820; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:59:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9NNxnPb031813; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:59:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021023235946.5417.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:59:46 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: spam: 2002 Mazda Protege 5 (red hatchback) for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm afraid I'm going to have to put my spiffy new cage up for sale. Got it in Feb and by all accounts I'm going to have to get rid of it (and the loan payments and insurance payments) just so I can finance visits to see my 2yr old son in Chicago. (wife ran away 2 years ago, what a sob story, eh?) It has the standard options package (CD, radio, power everything, cruise, alloy rims), manual tranny of course, and 11800 miles and I just changed the oil and filter last night. Dealer serviced at 7500 miles or so (tire rotation, fluid/brake check etc). Would like to at least get the loan amount for it which I believe is ~14,000 but I'll check to be sure. Comes with a hitch and is wired. The Mazda Protege's are SWEET! cars with consistantly top-rated handling. Car & Driver (the 'real' driver's magazine *grin*) considers them on par with BMW's just at less than 1/2 the price. I'm in Springfield, VA off of 395 and Edsal road and can be reached at 703-980-6716 pretty much any time. Pictures will be available soon. Feel free to cross-post and forward to interested parties. Here's to going bike-only (push and motor). I guess it's a good thing a new Giant Supermarket is going in 1.5 miles from my house. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 20:35:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9O0ZNO7032030; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:35:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9O0ZNQV032022; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:35:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021024003520.4166.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:35:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Tour de DC, Nov. 17th?, was Re: Past rides through the DC area To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <02aa01c27ae3$17a74c00$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Me. I'd prefer the 17th. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > OK, show of hands. Who'd been interested in a > Sunday brunch + 40-mile ride > through the wild streets of DC? I'm looking at > Sunday, Nov. 17th. 24th is > a possibility too, although it's getting close to > the Holidaze. Route will > be different from last year, for you repeat > offenders. > > As one participant last year said, "that's the > longest 40-mile ride I've > ever taken." Twisties? DC? Why, yes! Come help > me fill up my National > Parks Master Traveler Passport, my latest Ironbutt > Association > quest/obsession. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Norloff" > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:56 AM > Subject: Re: Past rides through the DC area > > > > Yes! I think that's an excellent idea. > > > > Chris Norloff > > > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > > From: "Paul Wilson" > > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:14:44 -0400 > > > > >Louis, et al., I organized one last November. I > may do something similar > > >this year on a different route, if there's > interest. Ride sheet here in > > >Excel spreadsheet. > www.wilsonline.org/vfr/dcride.xls > > > > > > > > >Paul in DC > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Louis F. Caplan" > > >To: "DC-Cycles" > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:27 AM > > >Subject: Past rides through the DC area > > > > > > > > >> In the past, I remember there being at least > two group rides offered > > >through > > >> DC-Cycles that went through various parts of > Washington, DC. One went > to > > >the > > >> various parks, another highlighted some of the > scenic roads. I looked > on > > >the > > >> DCCycles web page (hard to read with white text > and white background in > > >some > > >> places) but couldn't find any ride sheets for > either of these rides. > Are > > >the > > >> leaders of these rides still on-line? If so, > and if you still have a > > >copy, > > >> could I take a look at the ride sheets? I've > been asked to help > organize > > >a > > >> ride for the Concours Owners Group in the DC > area for next year and > would > > >like > > >> to get some ideas on where to begin. > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> Louis > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 21:08:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9O18DO7032210; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:08:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9O18CaK032200; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:08:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003501c27af9$58e8eaa0$52745c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Horse sense Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:04:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 "William J. Huson" bhuson@XXXXXX incitefully noted: The young are not immune to heath problems which can cause slow reactions, and in their frisky lives probably more apt to be driving in zone-land caused by a variety of *substances*. Bill ...snip Recollecting that there have been (at least) a couple of beltway-stopping multi-snuffers the past year or so where the transgressing driver's straying was allegedly due to "health problems". I think one in particular was a demographically-preferred lady near Central Ave. -- I'm sure a little research would bring these up quickly. At any rate -- simple licensing requirements grow more and more inadeqaute for our highway chaos, but let's remember the 1+ tons of an automobile is far more lethal to others than our Darwin-governed bicycles with motors. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > No autopilot yet. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 23 23:33:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9O3XpO7000436; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:33:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9O3Xo4H000426; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:33:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:33:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: VA Motorcycle Policeman killed From: Jeff Steele To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <687D405F-E701-11D6-9719-00306541B6AC@steele.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) I'm in digest mode so I apologize if this has already been posted. However, a Virgina motorcycle policeman was killed this evening when he was hit by a tow truck. There's a story about it here: http://www.wtopnews.com./index.php?sid=14417&nid=25 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 07:39:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OBdFO7003080; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:39:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OBdDvb003070; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:39:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, dcsportbikeriders@XXXXXX Subject: Looks like the Sniper is caught? Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:48:38 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9OBdCO7003058 They took two men into custody, that they put a look out for last night. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 07:43:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OBhtO7003127; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:43:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OBhsDB003119; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:43:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB7DE3D.8FF98069@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:49:17 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Is it over? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The sniper terror? Pending ballistics tests and examination of other evidence, it looks like the Sniper Task Force has got thier man/men. Citizens of the USA, Muslim converts, known to hang with Louis Farikhan (sp?). To sum it up, your basic religious nutjobs. (NOTE: religious nutjob is not confined to Muslims but includes members of any and all religious cults who screech phrases from The Sky Pixies Guide to Life, the Quran, or any one of the fourteen plus versions of the Wholly Babble in print.) Anyhow iooks like we'll be able to gas up without ducking. This is good seeing as how Motorcycles seem to need more gas stops. Remind me to rejet my overly rich running Hawg. This would be kind to the environment, and easier on my gas bill. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 07:48:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OBm0O7003185; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:48:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OBlxew003170; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:47:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Motor PsychoL Danny , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Looks like the Sniper is caught? Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:47:46 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210240747464N.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 24 October 2002 07:48, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > They took two men into custody, that they put a look out for last > night. I saw that this morning when I got up. They were going to make an announcement but at the time they were saying that these guys may not be the snipers. They were just looking for the car and the people, perhaps because they have information they want. Lots of circumstantial information so far. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 07:52:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OBqbO7003234; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:52:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OBqbae003224; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:52:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wind Deflectors Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:52:29 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210240752294P.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In one of the various magazines I have kicking around, there was an ad for a wind deflector that is mounted and adjustable so as to either have cool air redirected into your lap (on warm days) or engine warmed air on cold days. I have quite a breeze coming up into my lap to the point that my shield occasionally gets flipped up. Same with looking to the right. Not always, just once in a while. Anybody have any thoughts on the different wind deflectors? Seen any reviews that I can be pointed to? Thanks, Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 07:57:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OBvOO7003283; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:57:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OBvOoJ003273; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:57:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB7E16F.6EC16E21@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:02:55 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wind Deflectors References: <0210240752294P.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have a Hawg and H-D makes fixed deflectors that run alongside the forks. Not sure if they fit the FX*** whatever models. I use to have them on my FLH. Kept the breeze off your legs and feet pretty well, which made them B-B-que material on hot days. Not to mention the cheesy single plate chrome started to go south after a few weeks. Took the rusty buggers off and trashed them. Carl Schelin wrote: > In one of the various magazines I have kicking around, there was an ad for a > wind deflector that is mounted and adjustable so as to either have cool air > redirected into your lap (on warm days) or engine warmed air on cold days. > > I have quite a breeze coming up into my lap to the point that my shield > occasionally gets flipped up. Same with looking to the right. Not always, > just once in a while. > > Anybody have any thoughts on the different wind deflectors? Seen any reviews > that I can be pointed to? > > Thanks, > > Carl > -- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 08:06:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OC6OO7003359; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:06:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OC6Nou003349; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:06:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "William J. Huson" Subject: Re: Wind Deflectors Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:06:15 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <0210240752294P.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3DB7E16F.6EC16E21@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3DB7E16F.6EC16E21@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210240806154S.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 24 October 2002 08:02, William J. Huson wrote: > You have a Hawg and H-D makes fixed deflectors that run alongside the > forks. Not sure if they fit the FX*** whatever models. I use to have them > on my FLH. Kept the breeze off your legs and feet pretty well, which made > them B-B-que material on hot days. Not to mention the cheesy single plate > chrome started to go south after a few weeks. Took the rusty buggers off > and trashed them. > I fully intend on using them for the colder weather and removing the windshield and any other wind blockers I install once it's warmer. I really enjoy the colder weather over the hot weather and am looking forward to a colder winter. So that's one "Don't use the harley deflectors" :-) Have you seen the ones I mentioned? Thanks. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 08:16:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OCGkO7003430; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:16:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OCGjkI003420; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:16:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: spam: 2002 Mazda Protege 5 (red hatchback) for sale Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:15:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2002 12:15:38.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[1076FD80:01C27B57] Matt, sorry you have to sell the cage. Anyone interested, I can personally attest to how fun these cars are to drive. The first one I saw was Matt's earlier this year. A test drive soon followed, and when I was finally ready to buy a car, I picked one up a couple months ago. Lots of room, good torque, nice options, regular gas, and at a nice price point. If you're in the market for a great little car, this is worth checking out. I looked at the Matrix, Vibe, and Jetta before getting this one. Just my two cents. Good luck, Matt! Rob '98 VFR800 '02 PR5 From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: spam: 2002 Mazda Protege 5 (red hatchback) for sale Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:59:46 -0700 (PDT) I'm afraid I'm going to have to put my spiffy new cage up for sale. Got it in Feb and by all accounts I'm going to have to get rid of it (and the loan payments and insurance payments) just so I can finance visits to see my 2yr old son in Chicago. (wife ran away 2 years ago, what a sob story, eh?) It has the standard options package (CD, radio, power everything, cruise, alloy rims), manual tranny of course, and 11800 miles and I just changed the oil and filter last night. Dealer serviced at 7500 miles or so (tire rotation, fluid/brake check etc). Would like to at least get the loan amount for it which I believe is ~14,000 but I'll check to be sure. Comes with a hitch and is wired. The Mazda Protege's are SWEET! cars with consistantly top-rated handling. Car & Driver (the 'real' driver's magazine *grin*) considers them on par with BMW's just at less than 1/2 the price. I'm in Springfield, VA off of 395 and Edsal road and can be reached at 703-980-6716 pretty much any time. Pictures will be available soon. Feel free to cross-post and forward to interested parties. Here's to going bike-only (push and motor). I guess it's a good thing a new Giant Supermarket is going in 1.5 miles from my house. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 08:18:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OCIVO7003466; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:18:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OCIUrv003456; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:18:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Carl Schelin Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Looks like the Sniper is caught? Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:27:56 -0400 Message-ID: References: <0210240747464N.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> In-Reply-To: <0210240747464N.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9OCITO7003444 I'm confident that the guy is the sniper. The police seem to be pretty confidant too. They're taking their time getting a search warrant, when it seems stupid to me. If you arrest someone you have the right to search their vehicle before impound it. I'm willing to bet that guy is the sniper, and the evidence will show it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 08:25:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OCPdO7003680; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:25:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OCPdqo003670; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:25:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:25:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200210240825.AA3080650@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "dc-cycles list" , "Paul Wilson" Subject: Re: Tour de DC, Nov. 17th?, was Re: Past rides through the DC area X-Mailer: I'm in! (waving both arms overhead) Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Paul Wilson" Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:25:26 -0400 >OK, show of hands. Who'd been interested in a Sunday brunch + 40-mile ride >through the wild streets of DC? I'm looking at Sunday, Nov. 17th. 24th is >a possibility too, although it's getting close to the Holidaze. Route will >be different from last year, for you repeat offenders. > >As one participant last year said, "that's the longest 40-mile ride I've >ever taken." Twisties? DC? Why, yes! Come help me fill up my National >Parks Master Traveler Passport, my latest Ironbutt Association >quest/obsession. > >Paul in DC >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Norloff" >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:56 AM >Subject: Re: Past rides through the DC area > > >> Yes! I think that's an excellent idea. >> >> Chris Norloff >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> From: "Paul Wilson" >> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:14:44 -0400 >> >> >Louis, et al., I organized one last November. I may do something similar >> >this year on a different route, if there's interest. Ride sheet here in >> >Excel spreadsheet. www.wilsonline.org/vfr/dcride.xls >> > >> > >> >Paul in DC >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Louis F. Caplan" >> >To: "DC-Cycles" >> >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:27 AM >> >Subject: Past rides through the DC area >> > >> > >> >> In the past, I remember there being at least two group rides offered >> >through >> >> DC-Cycles that went through various parts of Washington, DC. One went >to >> >the >> >> various parks, another highlighted some of the scenic roads. I looked >on >> >the >> >> DCCycles web page (hard to read with white text and white background in >> >some >> >> places) but couldn't find any ride sheets for either of these rides. >Are >> >the >> >> leaders of these rides still on-line? If so, and if you still have a >> >copy, >> >> could I take a look at the ride sheets? I've been asked to help >organize >> >a >> >> ride for the Concours Owners Group in the DC area for next year and >would >> >like >> >> to get some ideas on where to begin. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Louis >> > >> > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 08:30:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OCUAO7003731; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:30:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OCU9rc003721; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:30:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Leon Begeman Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Horse sense Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:39:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20021023202721.13019.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021023202721.13019.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9OCU8O7003709 >The answer of course is that the penalty would not >change. The lack of a driver's license isn't what >keeps people from driving, the penalty for failing to >obey the law is what keeps people without a license >from driving. That wouldn't change. The license >itself serves little purpose. The penalty associated with the law of "driving without a liscense" therefor failingto have the liscense does in fact keep some people from driving, not being qualified to drive, and thus keeps people from being mowed down by unskilled drivers. Of course it doesn't stop all poeple, but some. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 08:45:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OCjdO7004137; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:45:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OCjcVc004127; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:45:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbLiAxQ9JDXt7ZzyGwb/v3sf97SlRfBReYL4/lK80o2Jc3m6wbx+Q1H87fmKtvS9W4= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: spam: 2002 Mazda Protege 5 (red hatchback) for sale Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:45:34 -0400 Message-ID: <003401c27b5b$3f6b1d20$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal -----matthew patton wrote: > the loan payments and insurance payments) just so I can finance visits > to see my 2yr old son in Chicago. (wife ran away 2 years ago, what a > sob story, eh?) That so sucks. Been there, doing that, don't like it. Q: Why do divorces cost so much money? A: Because they're f-ing worth it. > Here's to going bike-only (push and motor). Harley and Honda? Try e-bay, I've heard of some folks getting much more for a car than they expected. Good luck, I hope you get the best price possible. --jon (I'm not bitter, I'm piquant) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 09:06:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OD6VO7004273; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:06:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OD6UvQ004265; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:06:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021024130626.6488.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 06:06:26 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Looks like the Sniper is caught? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0210240747464N.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii if the news is to be believed, they were wanted on federal weapons charges for quite some time and likely prior to the sniper dude rearing his head. --- Carl Schelin wrote: > snipers. They were just looking for the car and the people, perhaps > because they have information they want. ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog (at least WE only mate when the 'she' is in heat) (even us ANIMALS manage to chose a mate for life) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 09:08:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OD8lO7004321; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:08:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OD8ib1004306; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:08:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'Paul Wilson'" , "'dc-cycles list'" Subject: RE: Tour de DC, Nov. 17th?, was Re: Past rides through the DC area Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:20:41 -0400 Message-ID: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F50200799EB@MAINSERVER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F50200830B8@MAINSERVER> Importance: Normal I had a really good time last year. I'd love to do it again. Maybe I'll even have the Beezer street-legal by then! Count me in. And thanks, Paul, for being in charge! cheers, patti -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:25 PM To: dc-cycles list Subject: Tour de DC, Nov. 17th?, was Re: Past rides through the DC area OK, show of hands. Who'd been interested in a Sunday brunch + 40-mile ride through the wild streets of DC? I'm looking at Sunday, Nov. 17th. 24th is a possibility too, although it's getting close to the Holidaze. Route will be different from last year, for you repeat offenders. As one participant last year said, "that's the longest 40-mile ride I've ever taken." Twisties? DC? Why, yes! Come help me fill up my National Parks Master Traveler Passport, my latest Ironbutt Association quest/obsession. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Norloff" To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Past rides through the DC area > Yes! I think that's an excellent idea. > > Chris Norloff > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Paul Wilson" > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:14:44 -0400 > > >Louis, et al., I organized one last November. I may do something similar > >this year on a different route, if there's interest. Ride sheet here in > >Excel spreadsheet. www.wilsonline.org/vfr/dcride.xls > > > > > >Paul in DC > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Louis F. Caplan" > >To: "DC-Cycles" > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:27 AM > >Subject: Past rides through the DC area > > > > > >> In the past, I remember there being at least two group rides offered > >through > >> DC-Cycles that went through various parts of Washington, DC. One went to > >the > >> various parks, another highlighted some of the scenic roads. I looked on > >the > >> DCCycles web page (hard to read with white text and white background in > >some > >> places) but couldn't find any ride sheets for either of these rides. Are > >the > >> leaders of these rides still on-line? If so, and if you still have a > >copy, > >> could I take a look at the ride sheets? I've been asked to help organize > >a > >> ride for the Concours Owners Group in the DC area for next year and would > >like > >> to get some ideas on where to begin. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Louis > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 09:09:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OD9HO7004346; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:09:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OD9HbW004340; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:09:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 24 Oct 2002 13:09:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20021024130953.30977.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: RE: spam: 2002 Mazda Protege 5 (red hatchback) for sale X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) MP wrote - "> the loan payments and insurance payments) just so I can finance visits > to see my 2yr old son in Chicago. (wife ran away 2 years ago, what a > sob story, eh?)" [Dave] Not a sob story, it speaks volumes about your character. I salute you. ... And hey, if it wasn't for that annoying little 'zoom zoom' kid, I might consider it... well, not really :-( I can't afford it... Good luck selling it. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 09:11:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ODBuO7004393; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:11:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ODBuGa004383; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:11:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa/6Y6yfsDiQUn3jNY/bRDVjnlJMgs8yxLXMlIkr4nYy+rx8mmzpX4gfuxHpGHaICk= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Tour de DC, Nov. 17th?, was Re: Past rides through the DC area Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:11:53 -0400 Message-ID: <003501c27b5e$ec738090$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F50200799EB@MAINSERVER> Importance: Normal me, too. -----Original Message----- From: Patti Rodgers [mailto:mprodgers@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:21 AM To: 'Paul Wilson'; 'dc-cycles list' Subject: RE: Tour de DC, Nov. 17th?, was Re: Past rides through the DC area I had a really good time last year. I'd love to do it again. Maybe I'll even have the Beezer street-legal by then! Count me in. And thanks, Paul, for being in charge! cheers, patti -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:25 PM To: dc-cycles list Subject: Tour de DC, Nov. 17th?, was Re: Past rides through the DC area OK, show of hands. Who'd been interested in a Sunday brunch + 40-mile ride through the wild streets of DC? I'm looking at Sunday, Nov. 17th. 24th is a possibility too, although it's getting close to the Holidaze. Route will be different from last year, for you repeat offenders. As one participant last year said, "that's the longest 40-mile ride I've ever taken." Twisties? DC? Why, yes! Come help me fill up my National Parks Master Traveler Passport, my latest Ironbutt Association quest/obsession. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Norloff" To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Past rides through the DC area > Yes! I think that's an excellent idea. > > Chris Norloff > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Paul Wilson" > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:14:44 -0400 > > >Louis, et al., I organized one last November. I may do something similar > >this year on a different route, if there's interest. Ride sheet here in > >Excel spreadsheet. www.wilsonline.org/vfr/dcride.xls > > > > > >Paul in DC > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Louis F. Caplan" > >To: "DC-Cycles" > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:27 AM > >Subject: Past rides through the DC area > > > > > >> In the past, I remember there being at least two group rides offered > >through > >> DC-Cycles that went through various parts of Washington, DC. One went to > >the > >> various parks, another highlighted some of the scenic roads. I looked on > >the > >> DCCycles web page (hard to read with white text and white background in > >some > >> places) but couldn't find any ride sheets for either of these rides. Are > >the > >> leaders of these rides still on-line? If so, and if you still have a > >copy, > >> could I take a look at the ride sheets? I've been asked to help organize > >a > >> ride for the Concours Owners Group in the DC area for next year and would > >like > >> to get some ideas on where to begin. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Louis > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 09:14:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ODEqO7004444; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:14:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ODEpSq004435; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:14:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021024131449.46023.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 06:14:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Tour de DC, Nov. 17th?, was Re: Past rides through the DC area To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: <003501c27b5e$ec738090$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I hope to make it. Mark --- Jon Strang wrote: > me, too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patti Rodgers [mailto:mprodgers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:21 AM > To: 'Paul Wilson'; 'dc-cycles list' > Subject: RE: Tour de DC, Nov. 17th?, was Re: Past > rides through the DC > area > > > I had a really good time last year. I'd love to do > it again. Maybe I'll > even have the Beezer street-legal by then! Count me > in. And thanks, Paul, > for being in charge! > > cheers, > > patti > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:25 PM > To: dc-cycles list > Subject: Tour de DC, Nov. 17th?, was Re: Past rides > through the DC area > > > OK, show of hands. Who'd been interested in a > Sunday brunch + 40-mile ride > through the wild streets of DC? I'm looking at > Sunday, Nov. 17th. 24th is > a possibility too, although it's getting close to > the Holidaze. Route will > be different from last year, for you repeat > offenders. > > As one participant last year said, "that's the > longest 40-mile ride I've > ever taken." Twisties? DC? Why, yes! Come help > me fill up my National > Parks Master Traveler Passport, my latest Ironbutt > Association > quest/obsession. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Norloff" > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:56 AM > Subject: Re: Past rides through the DC area > > > > Yes! I think that's an excellent idea. > > > > Chris Norloff > > > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > > From: "Paul Wilson" > > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:14:44 -0400 > > > > >Louis, et al., I organized one last November. I > may do something similar > > >this year on a different route, if there's > interest. Ride sheet here in > > >Excel spreadsheet. > www.wilsonline.org/vfr/dcride.xls > > > > > > > > >Paul in DC > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Louis F. Caplan" > > >To: "DC-Cycles" > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:27 AM > > >Subject: Past rides through the DC area > > > > > > > > >> In the past, I remember there being at least > two group rides offered > > >through > > >> DC-Cycles that went through various parts of > Washington, DC. One went > to > > >the > > >> various parks, another highlighted some of the > scenic roads. I looked > on > > >the > > >> DCCycles web page (hard to read with white text > and white background in > > >some > > >> places) but couldn't find any ride sheets for > either of these rides. > Are > > >the > > >> leaders of these rides still on-line? If so, > and if you still have a > > >copy, > > >> could I take a look at the ride sheets? I've > been asked to help > organize > > >a > > >> ride for the Concours Owners Group in the DC > area for next year and > would > > >like > > >> to get some ideas on where to begin. > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> Louis > > > > > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 09:24:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ODO1O7004516; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:24:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ODO0Lt004506; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:24:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'Motor PsychoL Danny'" Cc: Subject: RE: Looks like the Sniper is caught? Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:35:55 -0400 Message-ID: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F50200799EC@MAINSERVER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F50200830CD@MAINSERVER> Importance: Normal >>They're taking their time getting a search warrant, when it seems stupid to me. If you arrest someone you have the right to search their vehicle before impound it. I think they want to do everything by the book, extra by-the-book if you will. There's a lot of confusion as to jurisdiction so things have to slow down in the first place. My opinion: they believe they have the right guy, so there's no threat to public safety any more. They are going to take their time, especially when considering searches, to avoid any possible technicality that could get evidence thrown out. It would suck to see these losers walk on a technicality. I'd bet at least one of the trials is a death-penalty case, and you know how high-powered lawyers will do those pro bono, for the exposure. Since the prosecution will likely be going up against some really good defense lawyers, it's important that the cops don't leave any room for doubt. FWIW I hear the stepson is singing like a birdie... I guess the family that slays together, stays together, right? Sick f%#ks! I can't even talk to my mom about the stock market. Can't imagine going on a killing spree with her. -patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 09:27:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ODRfO7004570; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:27:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ODRfHl004561; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:27:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021024132739.41971.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 06:27:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Gridlock TV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tune in tonight to see if they mention anything about motorcycling as an alternative to the traffic congestion. (yeah right) Details here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/gridlocktv Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 09:30:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ODUkO7004622; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:30:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ODUkJN004612; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:30:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB7F751.2E36D020@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:36:17 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wind Deflectors References: <0210240752294P.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3DB7E16F.6EC16E21@patriot.net> <0210240806154S.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > I fully intend on using them for the colder weather and removing the > windshield and any other wind blockers I install once it's warmer. I really > enjoy the colder weather over the hot weather and am looking forward to a > colder winter. > > So that's one "Don't use the harley deflectors" :-) Have you seen the ones I > mentioned? > The Harley ones work quite well for wind deflection, just get rusty-ugly fast when owned by one who rides more than polishes. And rides in the wet. I haven't seen the ones you mention, haven't been looking I reckon. My winter project attempt to block the breezes is the installation of an H-D Road Glide (frame mount) fairing on my FLHS. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 09:35:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ODZvO7004672; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:35:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ODZvOR004662; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:35:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00cd01c27b62$54370aa0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Tour de DC - 11/17/02 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:35:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Folks, I looks like a critical mass of people are interested in doing this on the 17th, so let's plan on that. Patti - you want to arrange the brunch location again? The Second Annual Tour de DC - twisties, food, fun, friends and a couple of out of the way historic sites. Stay tuned for more info. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 09:42:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ODgnO7004724; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:42:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ODgntV004717; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:42:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021024094222.037e36b0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:42:41 -0400 To: "dc-cycles list" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Tour de DC - 11/17/02 In-Reply-To: <00cd01c27b62$54370aa0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:35 AM 10/24/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: >Folks, > >I looks like a critical mass of people are interested in doing this on the >17th, so let's plan on that. > >Patti - you want to arrange the brunch location again? > >The Second Annual Tour de DC - twisties, food, fun, friends and a couple of >out of the way historic sites. > >Stay tuned for more info. > >Paul in DC ..sounds like fun...please keep us all updated on this list! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 09:47:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ODlkO7004796; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:47:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ODlgsa004781; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:47:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021024134740.70612.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 06:47:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Urgg--MAW )-: To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone had experience with MAW fibbing about in-stock items. Ordered gloves and pants only to find the pants are on back-order, AFTER they promised they were in stock. I would have looked elsewhere....... ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 09:52:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ODqQO7004845; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:52:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ODqPeP004835; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:52:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021024095113.00b7afc0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:52:17 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Urgg--MAW )-: In-Reply-To: <20021024134740.70612.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:47 AM 10/24/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Has anyone had experience with MAW fibbing about >in-stock items. Ordered gloves and pants only to find >the pants are on back-order, AFTER they promised they >were in stock. I would have looked elsewhere....... > >===== yes, I've read several incidents of this happening. They have also been known to pre-charge for an out of stock item to your charge card even if they don't actually the ship the item to you for weeks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 09:55:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ODtoO7004895; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:55:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ODtnQb004885; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:55:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021024135546.22396.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 06:55:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Urgg--MAW )-: To: Aki Damme , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021024095113.00b7afc0@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No, they did not do that at least. I noticed my card was only charged for the gloves so I checked on my order. Anyway, I heard from NewEnough that the delay is due to the dock strike. So I was not surprised. But I wanted to know beforehand. Thanks --- Aki Damme wrote: > At 09:47 AM 10/24/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > >Has anyone had experience with MAW fibbing about > >in-stock items. Ordered gloves and pants only to > find > >the pants are on back-order, AFTER they promised > they > >were in stock. I would have looked > elsewhere....... > > > >===== > > > yes, I've read several incidents of this happening. > They have > also been known to pre-charge for an out of stock > item to your > charge card even if they don't actually the ship the > item to you > for weeks. > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 09:58:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ODwUO7004934; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:58:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ODwTOn004924; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:58:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021024095749.00bcd0e8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:58:22 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Urgg--MAW )-: In-Reply-To: <20021024135546.22396.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20021024095113.00b7afc0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:55 AM 10/24/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: >No, they did not do that at least. I noticed my card >was only charged for the gloves so I checked on my >order. > >Anyway, I heard from NewEnough that the delay is due >to the dock strike. So I was not surprised. But I >wanted to know beforehand. > >Thanks that's good news on the pre-charging. As for the dock strike. I thought that was long over by federal order? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 10:05:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OE5CO7005018; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:05:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OE5C9H005008; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:05:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Urgg--MAW )-: Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:05:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2002 14:05:05.0091 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A416130:01C27B66] And also, don't forget to ask for a freight adjustment if/when they finally get there. They can charge you shipping from their CO warehouse, when it could have come from Chicago, or another closer one where it's cheaper. If you call them on it, they should credit your charge card. YMMV Good luck. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Aki Damme To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Urgg--MAW )-: Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:52:17 -0400 At 09:47 AM 10/24/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Has anyone had experience with MAW fibbing about >in-stock items. Ordered gloves and pants only to find >the pants are on back-order, AFTER they promised they >were in stock. I would have looked elsewhere....... > >===== yes, I've read several incidents of this happening. They have also been known to pre-charge for an out of stock item to your charge card even if they don't actually the ship the item to you for weeks. _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections)B -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 10:08:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OE8wO7005093; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:08:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OE8wcM005083; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:08:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Tour de DC - 11/17/02 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:07:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230712D81D@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Tour de DC - 11/17/02 Thread-Index: AcJ7Zt3+QEjaYB98RK+ZTWL7M9KUbg== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9OE8uO7005066 That's my birthday, I am in too. George >>> Paul Wilson 10/24/02 09:35AM >>> The Second Annual Tour de DC - twisties, food, fun, friends and a couple of out of the way historic sites. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 10:23:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OENeO7005314; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:23:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OENbQm005304; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:23:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021024142334.79134.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:23:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Urgg--MAW )-: To: Aki Damme , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021024095749.00bcd0e8@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii But the delays remain. I only believe that one since NewEnough told me. mark --- Aki Damme wrote: > At 09:55 AM 10/24/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > >No, they did not do that at least. I noticed my > card > >was only charged for the gloves so I checked on my > >order. > > > >Anyway, I heard from NewEnough that the delay is > due > >to the dock strike. So I was not surprised. But I > >wanted to know beforehand. > > > >Thanks > > > that's good news on the pre-charging. As for the > dock strike. > I thought that was long over by federal order? > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 10:50:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OEoEO7005558; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:50:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OEoBed005538; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:50:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021024145003.16669.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:50:03 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Gridlock TV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021024132739.41971.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wonder if somebody will mention that congestion (and inattention etc that go with it) are lethal to other cage drivers let alone peds and cages. About that cop who got creamed at the mixing bowl last night. I'll bet my pennies the tow truck driver saw the really BRIGHT lights, couldn't tell it was a MC (nor expected it to be) and very likely couldn't tell the closing speed or trajectory of travel and dove for the side to get out of the way. They said charges were pending. For what? When we civies die nobody gives a fig and the blatent offender gets off with a "failure to yield". IMO if the cops can charge for Vehicular Manslaughter or some such then every careless motorist who tags a bike should be likewise. ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 10:56:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OEuNO7005634; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:56:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OEuNlg005626; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:56:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01d801c27b6d$900fc700$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rob Keiser" , "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: Urgg--MAW )-: Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:53:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This reminds me why I like Chaparral so much. Their web site tells you whether items are in stock and the quantities available. And they carry adequate quantities of most items. You'll know immediately if an item is B/O. They email you when items ship, give you tracking numbers, etc., and don't charge out the wazoo for shipping and handling. They only hit your card when the items ship, which is usually the same day if you get your ordering done in the morning. I can't say enough good things about them. Another little trick about Chaparral. You can get any Lockhart-Phillips item from them, even if it's not in the Chaparral catalog. Just enter the L-P item numbers. Paul in DC Couple of V4 critters...with L-P aftermarket stuff... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Keiser" > > And also, don't forget to ask for a freight adjustment if/when they finally > get there. They can charge you shipping from their CO warehouse, when it > could have come from Chicago, or another closer one where it's cheaper. If > you call them on it, they should credit your charge card. YMMV > > Good luck. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > > From: Aki Damme > > At 09:47 AM 10/24/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > >Has anyone had experience with MAW fibbing about > >in-stock items. Ordered gloves and pants only to find > >the pants are on back-order, AFTER they promised they > >were in stock. I would have looked elsewhere....... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 11:03:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OF3AO7005723; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:03:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OF375E005708; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:03:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB80CF5.CE97D7B@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:08:37 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gridlock TV References: <20021024145003.16669.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good points, Matt. What we really need is a charge of *Attempted Vehicular Manslaughter* on any motorist who's innattention/negligence causes impact with a motorcyclist. The geeze who took me out got the usual fail to yield ticket and paid a $25 fine. Ridiculous! BTW - hope you can sell that fine car for mega-bucks. Hope you get the divorce thang over and move on... Bill matthew patton wrote: > I wonder if somebody will mention that congestion (and inattention etc > that go with it) are lethal to other cage drivers let alone peds and > cages. > > About that cop who got creamed at the mixing bowl last night. I'll bet > my pennies the tow truck driver saw the really BRIGHT lights, couldn't > tell it was a MC (nor expected it to be) and very likely couldn't tell > the closing speed or trajectory of travel and dove for the side to get > out of the way. They said charges were pending. For what? When we > civies die nobody gives a fig and the blatent offender gets off with a > "failure to yield". IMO if the cops can charge for Vehicular > Manslaughter or some such then every careless motorist who tags a bike > should be likewise. > > ===== > Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. > - signed the Cat & the Dog > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 11:08:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OF8OO7005793; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:08:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OF8ONx005783; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:08:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:09:43 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gridlock TV In-Reply-To: <20021024145003.16669.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, matthew patton wrote: > > About that cop who got creamed at the mixing bowl last night. I'll bet > my pennies the tow truck driver saw the really BRIGHT lights, couldn't > tell it was a MC (nor expected it to be) and very likely couldn't tell > the closing speed or trajectory of travel and dove for the side to get > out of the way. Trailing dump trucks, UPS and ice cream trucks, IMO tow truck drivers are some of the most agressive out there. Fact is, if he had to use the shoulder, he was following too close. Chances are pretty good he didn't even look. And if he did and couldn't tell how far away he was, using the shoulder shouldn't have been an option. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 11:08:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OF8PO7005811; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:08:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OF8Plo005801; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:08:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: Subject: RE: Gridlock TV Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:20:20 -0400 Message-ID: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F50200799F0@MAINSERVER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F50200860A0@MAINSERVER> Importance: Normal >>About that cop who got creamed at the mixing bowl last night Wasn't there another fatal accident in that vicinity a few weeks ago? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 11:18:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OFIjO7005928; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:18:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OFIjRK005918; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:18:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB8109E.65876BFC@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:24:14 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mprodgers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gridlock TV References: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F50200799F0@MAINSERVER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patti Rodgers wrote: > >>About that cop who got creamed at the mixing bowl last night > > Wasn't there another fatal accident in that vicinity a few weeks ago? Probably. We call the Springfield interchnage "Kamakazi Junction". From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 11:39:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OFdwO7006099; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:39:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OFdwWt006092; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:39:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [206.134.137.111] From: "Carlos Ambrosini" To: cschelin@XXXXXX, motorcycle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Looks like the Sniper is caught? Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:38:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2002 15:38:51.0144 (UTC) FILETIME=[73A4F080:01C27B73] I don't think they had anything to do with it. They just went to use the phone and they got jumped and droped to the floor and ironic enough they were driving a white truck. But i haven't heard the news this morning so i'm not sure if these two are new (to be caught) or the ones caught at the payphone. But it dosen't matter if they're caught good but if there were two of them theres bound to be more of them around the nation. >From: Carl Schelin >To: Motor PsychoL Danny , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Looks like the Sniper is caught? >Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:47:46 -0400 > >On Thursday 24 October 2002 07:48, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > They took two men into custody, that they put a look out for last > > night. > >I saw that this morning when I got up. They were going to make an >announcement but at the time they were saying that these guys may not be >the >snipers. They were just looking for the car and the people, perhaps because >they have information they want. > >Lots of circumstantial information so far. > >Carl >-- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 >FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free!)B  Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 11:48:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OFmDO7006329; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:48:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OFmD3S006321; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:48:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021024114200.00bccad8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:48:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Looks like the Sniper is caught? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:38 AM 10/24/2002, Carlos Ambrosini wrote: >I don't think they had anything to do with it. They just went to use the >phone and they got jumped and droped to the floor and ironic enough they >were driving a white truck. But i haven't heard the news this morning so >i'm not sure if these two are new (to be caught) or the ones caught at the >payphone. But it dosen't matter if they're caught good but if there were >two of them theres bound to be more of them around the nation. these two were arrested at a road stop this morning after a tip. There's a ton of evidence that these two are the ones, including a stolen credit card that matches exactly the account number that the police were told to transfer 10 million to. The credit card was stolen in a robbery down in Alabama(?) a month ago where they shot someone outside an ABC store. Also the Washington state home where the father, (it's a father/step son team), held target practice in his backyard with a high powered rifle. The ATF folks have already combed that backyard and have removed a tree stump that was allegedly used for target practice. Now just how stupid can someone be to think that a credit card company thinks it's *perfectly normal* to have 10 million dollars suddenly appear on a credit card reported stolen? How did they expect to transfer the money out of the account? Also, they were found with a rifle. Both are being interrogated at an undisclosed location and the car has been towed off for analysis. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 11:53:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OFr0O7006428; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:53:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OFqwAR006411; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:52:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Motorcycle Policeman killed Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:52:50 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <687D405F-E701-11D6-9719-00306541B6AC@steele.com> In-Reply-To: <687D405F-E701-11D6-9719-00306541B6AC@steele.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210241152504X.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 23 October 2002 23:33, Jeff Steele wrote: > I'm in digest mode so I apologize if this has already been posted. > However, a Virgina motorcycle policeman was killed this evening when he > was hit by a tow truck. There's a story about it here: > > http://www.wtopnews.com./index.php?sid=14417&nid=25 Hmm, unfortunately it's likely I saw the police officer. When I was riding home last night, I saw beaucoups cops heading south and north heading for the right hand shoulder of south 95. As I went by I saw about 15 cop cars in the vicinity. As I went farther south, I saw two motorcycle cops heading north in the HOV on the right shoulder. All of the traffic (fairly light really) slowed a little. As much as I hate to actually voice this, I'm not sure they were all that much in the right. They were certainly close enough to head south with traffic to Lorton to the offramp and loop around and back up than go against traffic and being involved in an accident. Surely the police know the mentality of the local drivers. Typically we're watching the guy in front of us or several cars up to plan ahead. Most people do the shoulder slide as a matter of course and have that in their plans as an escape route in case of a sudden stop in traffic ahead. I know I plan on shifting lanes or to the shoulder for just such a situation. It might have even been better, had shots been fired, for them to actually be south and be available to head off the shooters. Of course, everything I know about the situation is from the website and the messages here. The loss of life is tragic. Carl (stirring the pot again) -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 11:54:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OFsiO7006459; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:54:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OFshxr006448; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:54:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [206.134.137.111] From: "Carlos Ambrosini" To: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Looks like the Sniper is caught? Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:53:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2002 15:53:36.0580 (UTC) FILETIME=[8367C040:01C27B75] so there completely different people that they've been looking for and the police are taking so long to get a warrant to investagate. >From: Aki Damme >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Looks like the Sniper is caught? >Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:48:05 -0400 > >At 11:38 AM 10/24/2002, Carlos Ambrosini wrote: >>I don't think they had anything to do with it. They just went to use the >>phone and they got jumped and droped to the floor and ironic enough they >>were driving a white truck. But i haven't heard the news this morning so >>i'm not sure if these two are new (to be caught) or the ones caught at the >>payphone. But it dosen't matter if they're caught good but if there were >>two of them theres bound to be more of them around the nation. > > >these two were arrested at a road stop this morning after a tip. > >There's a ton of evidence that these two are the ones, including a >stolen credit card that matches exactly the account number that >the police were told to transfer 10 million to. The credit card was >stolen >in a robbery down in Alabama(?) a month ago where they shot someone >outside an ABC store. Also the Washington state home where the father, >(it's a father/step son >team), held target practice in his backyard with a high powered rifle. The >ATF >folks have already combed that backyard and have removed a tree stump that >was allegedly used for target practice. > >Now just how stupid can someone be to think that a credit card company >thinks it's *perfectly normal* to have 10 million dollars suddenly appear >on a credit card reported stolen? How did they expect to transfer the >money >out of the account? > >Also, they were found with a rifle. Both are being interrogated at an >undisclosed >location and the car has been towed off for analysis. > >-aki _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls!)B Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 11:54:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OFstO7006498; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:54:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OFstYk006485; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:54:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Looks like the Sniper is caught? Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:54:46 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210241154464Y.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Heck yea, look at Moscow right now. 30 Muslems (Chechens(sp?)) captured the Moscow theater, released all the muslems, wired up the place and have shot at least one hostage (snippets I've been catching since yesterday). Carl On Thursday 24 October 2002 11:38, Carlos Ambrosini wrote: > I don't think they had anything to do with it. They just went to use the > phone and they got jumped and droped to the floor and ironic enough they > were driving a white truck. But i haven't heard the news this morning so > i'm not sure if these two are new (to be caught) or the ones caught at the > payphone. But it dosen't matter if they're caught good but if there were > two of them theres bound to be more of them around the nation. > > >From: Carl Schelin > >To: Motor PsychoL Danny , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Looks like the Sniper is caught? > >Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:47:46 -0400 > > > >On Thursday 24 October 2002 07:48, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > > They took two men into custody, that they put a look out for last > > > night. > > > >I saw that this morning when I got up. They were going to make an > >announcement but at the time they were saying that these guys may not be > >the > >snipers. They were just looking for the car and the people, perhaps > > because they have information they want. > > > >Lots of circumstantial information so far. > > > >Carl > >-- > > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 > >FXSTI) > > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address > > _________________________________________________________________ > Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free!)B  Try MSN. > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 12:29:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OGTUO7006818; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:29:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OGTUP7006810; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:29:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <133.1683713f.2ae979dd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:29:17 EDT Subject: Re: Horse sense To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/23/2002 9:25:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HARRY.R.KEISER.II@XXXXXX writes: > I am sick of people who can't drive them > and can't park them. Make them drive a Ford Focus or Toyota Echo for a > while. Hell, make em ride a bike for a year before they are allowed to drive a lethal weapon like a car. They would become defensive drivers or die. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 12:32:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OGWOO7006889; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:32:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OGWOwi006879; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:32:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021024123013.00b45918@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:32:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Looks like the Sniper is caught? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:53 AM 10/24/2002, you wrote: >so there completely different people that they've been looking for and the >police are taking so long to get a warrant to investagate. considering the possible ramifications of having the case thrown out in court because of improper police procedure, I think making sure they do absolutely *everything* by the book is paramount. They have the car, they have the suspects and the only thing they were waiting for was a search warrant, which now they have. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 12:36:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OGaYO7006954; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:36:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OGaXld006944; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:36:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1c8.8ef11a.2ae97b87@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:36:23 EDT Subject: Re: Horse sense To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/23/2002 9:42:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > when your > license is automatically revoked unless you pass reflex, > vision, hearing & skills tests which are administered every 6 > months... I'm all for it. ;-) I agree _except_ I see no reason to make testing age related at all. The drivers test (written and driven) should be administered regularly to everyone and 1/4 to 1/3 of the drivers on the road today should never be able to pass. The huge number of drivers that would become dependant on public transportation would make public transportation practical everywhere. The fuel savings would be _huge_. The parking problem goes away. Pollution drops dramatically overnight. Oh yea, and the roads become safer. And it will never happen. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 13:20:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OHKdO7007212; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:20:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OHKaoX007202; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:20:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:20:28 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Gridlock TV To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3DB82BDC.7E075156@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021024145003.16669.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> matthew patton wrote: > > I wonder if somebody will mention that congestion (and inattention etc > that go with it) are lethal to other cage drivers let alone peds and > cages. > > About that cop who got creamed at the mixing bowl last night. I'll bet > my pennies the tow truck driver saw the really BRIGHT lights, couldn't > tell it was a MC (nor expected it to be) and very likely couldn't tell > the closing speed or trajectory of travel and dove for the side to get > out of the way. OR: (my theory) If the mc cop was moving without sirens and lights (which sometimes the police cruisers do) to get through traffic quicker, the tow truck driver might have moved over into the shoulder to "block" what he thought was just another motorcycle rider trying to "get ahead", and miscalculated the closing speed. It's a darned shame about the cop getting killed, though. He was responding to a "shots fired" call, probably was thinking it was the sniper. Yet another reason to allow motorcycle lane-splitting - get the cage drivers used to allowing motorcycles to filter through. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 13:24:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OHOOO7007251; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:24:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OHOOCC007245; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:24:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:24:16 EDT Subject: Re: Looks like the Sniper is caught? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/24/2002 9:24:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mprodgers@XXXXXX writes: > It would suck to see these > losers walk on a technicality. All the cops would have to do is announce "they are to be released on a technicality at X pm. from the X street station" They would not walk far. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 13:37:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OHbCO7007346; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:37:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OHbB1t007336; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:37:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-ID: <00f301c27b83$a0b76160$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: Subject: Re: Looks like the Sniper is caught? Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:33:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 But they would walk FAST! > All the cops would have to do is announce "they are to be released on a > technicality at X pm. from the X street station" > They would not walk far. Gary! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 14:28:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OISSO7007673; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:28:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OISRC9007663; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:28:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gridlock TV Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:28:18 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20021024145003.16669.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> <3DB82BDC.7E075156@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <3DB82BDC.7E075156@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02102414281853.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 24 October 2002 13:20, Dale Horstman wrote: > matthew patton wrote: > > I wonder if somebody will mention that congestion (and inattention etc > > that go with it) are lethal to other cage drivers let alone peds and > > cages. > > > > About that cop who got creamed at the mixing bowl last night. I'll bet > > my pennies the tow truck driver saw the really BRIGHT lights, couldn't > > tell it was a MC (nor expected it to be) and very likely couldn't tell > > the closing speed or trajectory of travel and dove for the side to get > > out of the way. > > OR: (my theory) If the mc cop was moving without sirens and lights > (which sometimes the police cruisers do) to get through traffic quicker, > the tow truck driver might have moved over into the shoulder to "block" > what he thought was just another motorcycle rider trying to "get ahead", > and miscalculated the closing speed. > It couldn't have been more than a few minutes past when I saw them heading north lights flashing on the shoulder (I left work at about 5:15 from DC and I live in Dale City; the accident occured at 5:35pm per the article). I think it was the traffic slowing for the cops, the tow truck driver not paying enough attention and sliding right when traffic slowed faster than he expected. It's certainly possible that these are two other motorcycle cops though. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 15:05:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OJ5gO7007954; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:05:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OJ5gRI007944; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:05:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB84426.C4DF7B4A@tasam.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:04:06 -0400 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Motorcycle Policeman killed References: <687D405F-E701-11D6-9719-00306541B6AC@steele.com> <0210241152504X.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: [snip] > As much as I hate to actually voice this, I'm not sure they were all that > much in the right. They were certainly close enough to head south with > traffic to Lorton to the offramp and loop around and back up than go against > traffic and being involved in an accident. Surely the police know the > mentality of the local drivers. Typically we're watching the guy in front of > us or several cars up to plan ahead. Most people do the shoulder slide as a > matter of course and have that in their plans as an escape route in case of a > sudden stop in traffic ahead. I know I plan on shifting lanes or to the > shoulder for just such a situation. I agree with you. if traffic comes to a sudden stop in front of me I use whatever ground I can to avoid hitting someone. heck, it was taught in my driver's ed class, and has saved my car/life/insurance many times. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 15:36:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OJafO7008118; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:36:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OJadWB008103; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:36:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB84D11.B254C3B2@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:42:10 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: The Great Fairing Modification... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having a day off, I was staring at the TV in rapt attention over the latest, and hopefully greatest, alleged sniper arrest. The news wound down, so I plodded out to the garage and decided to get the Great Fairing Modification underway. What I will attempt to do is mount a 1998 Road Glide fairing on my 1993 FLHS. I had eyeballed Road Glides and examing various parts books and *guessed* that this would be a bolt-on deal. I say guessed because even when mounting Harley parts that are supposed to be for your particular model and year bike they often don't quite fit. Such wrench events have improved my garage-word vocabulary immensely. So I removed all the rusty, dusty, greasey FLHS lights, windscreen, and assorted parts on the front end. HA! The main bracket is a bolt-on! I mount the fairing including the two braket gizmos that attach to the crash bar. COOL! Lets try turning the handlbars lock to lock... hmmm, a slight rub. The clunky instrument pod is rubbing the inner fairing shell. Another problem, where in hell am I gonna mount the ignition brain box? That had to be removed to mount the new bracket. And yet to be determined, is the circuit breaker for the 10" standard sealed beam headlight hefty enough to run what will become twin 5 3/4 halogon beams? Might have to swap the breaker out. Probably have to perform surgury to shave a bit off the bottom of the handlebar mounted instrument pod to improve steering clearance. Might have to Mickey-mouse a mount for the brain box. No problem, I'm a Master Mickey-Mouser. Now what to do with all those holes? Yep, got a big hole for a sterio which I won't bother with. Two holes were the speakers were and won't be. Two storage pockets that I'll have to make lids for. H-D lids, $52.95 EACH, plus whatever the Quik-Rust chrome hinges cost. Screw that. And four gauge holes! I'm not sure what Harley puts in them holes. Air temp fer sure, but for many decades my skin has worked for me. Scratch. H-D sells a compass = $99.95. Sorry, long as I can see the sun or stars I'm good to go. And I'd have to care what direction I'm going. Scratch. Oil pressure, yes, but like SW not H-D. Voltmeter, yes, again SW. And a vacuum gauge! I love vacuum gauges. They're great diagnostic instruments. And they move a lot, which is kinda fun. I could put a clock in the 4th hole, but once again, I'd have to care what time it is. There's daytime, nightime, and the fuzzy glow in between. I'm good to go. Any suggestions for another gauge? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 15:41:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OJfNO7008173; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:41:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OJfNY0008163; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:41:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:42:43 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Motorcycle Policeman killed In-Reply-To: <3DB84426.C4DF7B4A@tasam.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Skip Smith wrote: > I agree with you. if traffic comes to a sudden stop in front of me I > use whatever ground I can to avoid hitting someone. heck, it was taught > in my driver's ed class, and has saved my car/life/insurance many times. > Nobody is say that you shouldn't, but LOOK before you use whatever ground. In this case the tow truck driver failed to do so and someone's life was cut short because of it. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 17:39:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OLd7O7008954; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:39:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OLd65H008944; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:39:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021024213904.35449.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:39:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: The Great Fairing Modification... To: "William J. Huson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <3DB84D11.B254C3B2@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Any suggestions for another gauge? 1. Barometer - not sure why, but it might also work as an altimeter. 2. I noticed in the Summit catalog that they've got an Air-Fuel mixture gauge - didn't you mention that yours was running rich, with a mixture gauge you can be sure. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 18:36:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9OMa3O7009371; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:36:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9OMa3el009361; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:36:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB8A073.6628127D@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:37:55 -0700 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club- U.S.A. http:www.soc-usa.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wind Deflectors References: <0210240752294P.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop018.verizon.net from [141.157.125.145] at Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:35:52 -0500 Carl Schelin wrote: > In one of the various magazines I have kicking around, there was an ad for a > wind deflector that is mounted and adjustable so as to either have cool air > redirected into your lap (on warm days) or engine warmed air on cold days. > > I have quite a breeze coming up into my lap to the point that my shield > occasionally gets flipped up. Same with looking to the right. Not always, > just once in a while. > > Anybody have any thoughts on the different wind deflectors? Seen any reviews > that I can be pointed to? > > Thanks, > > Carl > - Carl, I think what your looking for is at the bottom of this web page; http://www.nationalcycle.com/catalogue/deflectors.html Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 24 20:57:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9P0vOO7010515; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:57:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9P0vNaR010507; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:57:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:57:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200210242057.AA153944586@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: VA Motorcycle Policeman killed X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >if traffic comes to a sudden stop in front of me I >use whatever ground I can to avoid hitting someone. heck, it was taught >in my driver's ed class, and has saved my car/life/insurance many times. > If you can't stop in the space in front of you, then you're driving too fast or following too close, or both. Yes, it can be very hard to keep that stopping distance in traffic, especially around here. But since this has happened many times, it might be time to tune the driving choices. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 06:11:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PABnO7013372; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 06:11:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PABm5v013362; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 06:11:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Subject: Re: Wind Deflectors Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 06:11:38 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <0210240752294P.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3DB8A073.6628127D@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <3DB8A073.6628127D@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02102506113854.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 24 October 2002 21:37, Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: > > Carl, > I think what your looking for is at the bottom of this web page; > > http://www.nationalcycle.com/catalogue/deflectors.html > That's the one. Thanks for the pointer. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 06:21:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PAL2O7013433; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 06:21:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PAL2pK013427; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 06:21:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Horse sense Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 06:30:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: <133.1683713f.2ae979dd@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <133.1683713f.2ae979dd@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9PAL0O7013415 >Hell, make em ride a bike for a year before they are allowed to drive a >lethal weapon like a car. They would become defensive drivers or die. > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Amen to that. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 06:37:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PAbHO7013520; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 06:37:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PAbHjs013513; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 06:37:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB91E8C.68DF73FC@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 06:35:56 -0400 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Motorcycle Policeman killed References: <200210242057.AA153944586@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yeah, I was thinking that after I realised it had happened many times; however, it can be necessary even when maintaining a proper following distance, and more so in the mixing bowl. Chris Norloff wrote: > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > >if traffic comes to a sudden stop in front of me I > >use whatever ground I can to avoid hitting someone. heck, it was taught > >in my driver's ed class, and has saved my car/life/insurance many times. > > > > If you can't stop in the space in front of you, then you're driving too fast or following too close, or both. > > Yes, it can be very hard to keep that stopping distance in traffic, especially around here. > > But since this has happened many times, it might be time to tune the driving choices. > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 06:46:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PAkUO7013589; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 06:46:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PAkTUo013583; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 06:46:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Skip Smith , cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Motorcycle Policeman killed Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 06:46:16 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <200210242057.AA153944586@mail.toward.com> <3DB91E8C.68DF73FC@tasam.com> In-Reply-To: <3DB91E8C.68DF73FC@tasam.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02102506461655.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 25 October 2002 06:35, Skip Smith wrote: > yeah, I was thinking that after I realised it had happened many times; > however, it can be necessary even when maintaining a proper following > distance, and more so in the mixing bowl. > I think I've done it one time in the car and only half way onto the shoulder. But I do pay attention and am ready to move left or right if necessary. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 08:21:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PCLsO7014048; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:21:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PCLrAN014038; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:21:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB938A7.1ADD1C7E@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:27:19 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: Skip Smith , cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Motorcycle Policeman killed References: <200210242057.AA153944586@mail.toward.com> <3DB91E8C.68DF73FC@tasam.com> <02102506461655.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > On Friday 25 October 2002 06:35, Skip Smith wrote: > > yeah, I was thinking that after I realised it had happened many times; > > however, it can be necessary even when maintaining a proper following > > distance, and more so in the mixing bowl. > > > > I think I've done it one time in the car and only half way onto the shoulder. > But I do pay attention and am ready to move left or right if necessary. > > Carl Several times for me - the ol' shoulder dive. The junkers I drove in the `60s had drum brakes, Fade-O-Matics. Ran into thick fog bank in North Jersey and saw the red glow ahead - YIKES! I slid over to the shoulder and came to a stop, wincing when the cars behind me whammered the cars ahead of me to join a rear-end pile up that numbered in the dozens. Sat on the shoulder for more'n hour while the various bent vehicle drivers sorted out the carnage. Bill - DUCK! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 08:44:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PCiLO7014313; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:44:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PCiLHZ014307; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:44:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB93DEF.10ED2CB0@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:49:51 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: The Great Fairing Modification... References: <3DB84D11.B254C3B2@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good suggestions so far... Skip Smith suggests an altimeter, a cool idea, but most of my travels are among the east coast swamps with elevations above sealevel noted by a single digit. Leon Bergeman added a barometer, guessing it could function as an altimeter also. Somewhat true, early altimeters were atmospheric pressure gauges. And Leon suggested an air/fuel mixture gauge. That would be kinda cool. Matt Patton also mentioned air/fuel gauge, and a turbo-boost gauge. I *hate* turbos! Superchargers rule! Then Matt thought about mounting a bobbing head doll in one of the gauge positions. Hmm... One of my original ideas was to fill two opposite holes with *natural* shape baby bottle nipples and tack on pasties with tassels to flutter in the breeze. That idea caused SWMBOed to shriek in horror. Other ideas, oil temp, but that's a number I probably don't want to know. Maybe a wind speed indicator? I could go nautical and add an engine hours guage, but then I'd have advance the reading to a wild-guess on hours clicked off while covering the 33K on the odometer. Bill - still looking for gauge ideas... "William J. Huson" wrote: > Having a day off, I was staring at the TV in rapt attention over the > latest, and hopefully greatest, alleged sniper arrest. The news wound > down, so I plodded out to the garage and decided to get the Great > Fairing Modification underway. > > What I will attempt to do is mount a 1998 Road Glide fairing on my 1993 > FLHS. I had eyeballed Road Glides and examing various parts books and > *guessed* that this would be a bolt-on deal. I say guessed because even > when mounting Harley parts that are supposed to be for your particular > model and year bike they often don't quite fit. Such wrench events have > improved my garage-word vocabulary immensely. > > So I removed all the rusty, dusty, greasey FLHS lights, windscreen, and > assorted parts on the front end. HA! The main bracket is a bolt-on! I > mount the fairing including the two braket gizmos that attach to the > crash bar. COOL! Lets try turning the handlbars lock to lock... hmmm, > a slight rub. The clunky instrument pod is rubbing the inner fairing > shell. Another problem, where in hell am I gonna mount the ignition > brain box? That had to be removed to mount the new bracket. And yet to > be determined, is the circuit breaker for the 10" standard sealed beam > headlight hefty enough to run what will become twin 5 3/4 halogon > beams? Might have to swap the breaker out. Probably have to perform > surgury to shave a bit off the bottom of the handlebar mounted > instrument pod to improve steering clearance. Might have to > Mickey-mouse a mount for the brain box. No problem, I'm a Master > Mickey-Mouser. > > Now what to do with all those holes? Yep, got a big hole for a sterio > which I won't bother with. Two holes were the speakers were and won't > be. Two storage pockets that I'll have to make lids for. H-D lids, > $52.95 EACH, plus whatever the Quik-Rust chrome hinges cost. Screw > that. And four gauge holes! I'm not sure what Harley puts in them > holes. Air temp fer sure, but for many decades my skin has worked for > me. Scratch. H-D sells a compass = $99.95. Sorry, long as I can see > the sun or stars I'm good to go. And I'd have to care what direction > I'm going. Scratch. Oil pressure, yes, but like SW not H-D. > Voltmeter, yes, again SW. And a vacuum gauge! I love vacuum gauges. > They're great diagnostic instruments. And they move a lot, which is > kinda fun. I could put a clock in the 4th hole, but once again, I'd > have to care what time it is. There's daytime, nightime, and the fuzzy > glow in between. I'm good to go. > > Any suggestions for another gauge? > > Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 08:49:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PCnsO7014372; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:49:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PCnsCn014365; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:49:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021025084838.00b45fa0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:49:46 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: The Great Fairing Modification... In-Reply-To: <3DB93DEF.10ED2CB0@patriot.net> References: <3DB84D11.B254C3B2@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:49 AM 10/25/2002, William J. Huson wrote: >Good suggestions so far... How about if one of our military subscribers get you some kinda neat weapons gauge spare part off a jet fighter? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 08:55:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PCtjO7014708; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:55:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PCtiaD014702; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:55:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514F0D@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'markkitchell@XXXXXX'" Subject: Winter Glove Recommendation again... Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:56:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Mark Kitchell modestly konfessed, "In case you all are interested, I went with the Tourmaster Polar Tex, red and black gloves and the Joe Rocket Ballistic 4.0 pants for my winter (2 miles!) commute." When it gets chillier: 1. an overmitt for the gloves will help 2. Thin urethane foam sheeting (used for packing) makes a great thigh or shin insulator. Cut it and stuff it where ever it's cold. 3. 2 miles! Whoa another LDR * Be sure you take the bike out for longer trips on week ends to volatize the ikky poo condensing in your oil. *Little Distance Rider Horse sense: Dave declared, "Graduated licensing. Great idea. After 50, you can only drive smaller & smaller cages until 60, when your license is automatically revoked unless you pass reflex, vision, hearing & skills tests which are administered every 6 months... I'm all for it. ;-)" Eh? speak up! 8^D Arizona requires/required drivers beyond 65(?) to take a road test before license renewal. Not a bad idea IMHO, because more than one of my contemporaries has almost nailed my ancient butt because of incompetence. Will that happen in MD? not in my lifetime Urgg--MAW )-: Mark Kitchell Kwestioned, "Has anyone had experience with MAW fibbing about in-stock items. Ordered gloves and pants only to find the pants are on back-order, AFTER they promised they were in stock. I would have looked elsewhere......." MAW I know one person that has had good experiences with MAW. Like Aki, I know more that haven't. Chaparrel has been pretty reliable as has Dennis Kirk (Have the MAW ad in front of you when you order; they'll ask for the issue and page number) Tour de DC, Nov. 17th?: Sigh, will be in San Diego sipping Stone Brewery's Arrogant Bastard at a SabMag wenchfest (wrenchfest?) Weep for me. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 08:57:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PCv3O7014747; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:57:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PCv20r014738; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:57:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Gridlock TV Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:55:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2002 12:55:54.0403 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAAA6730:01C27C25] Quite by accident I did tune in.... The talking heads are still rambling on about sprawl, English Green belt areas, terrible traffic, parkways... But no one is saying obvious... and understandably so. The reason the DC metro area is so congested is that the area VA/MD/DC is greedy. Why aren't government agencies willing to located in other parts of the country... say Kansas? We're all connected, Al Gore said so. Plus, with the "new normalcy" aka post 9/11, we should probably look into placing government functions outside of this one particular area. All the eggs in one basket may not be as sound of a philosphy as it once way. Currently the plan is to vacate all the "important" dumbasses to outlying areas while the government grunts (who really do the work) are left here to wither on the vine, so to speak. Put a little government in Kansas, a little in Topeka a little in Oklahoma, maybe some in Minnesota, Northern Michigan, Nebraska etc... Why not? my 2 (hey where's the cents key!!!) aw ubject: Gridlock TV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Tune in tonight to see if they mention anything about motorcycling as an alternative to the traffic congestion. (yeah right) Details here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/gridlocktv Chris Weaver _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections)B -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 09:05:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PD5HO7015119; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:05:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PD5H33015109; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:05:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'Aki Damme'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: URGG MAW Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:05:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The docks are backed up, really backed up. Plus new shipping arriving on top of the back up...creating lots of overtime for the dock workers. Those guys can pull in some serious cash. I have a history with Dennis Kirk doing the same thing... I ordered some shocks for my Beemer... months go by, months.... I cancelled. A year later, riding on sucky shocks and too caught up in the riding season to care, I re-ordered... EARLY, this time they were able to get them. A friend of mine runs into the same stuff with aftermarket engine parts for his hot rods... order it, wait, call...backordered. They probably all collect at the factory which produces the items... then when they get enough orders to justify a production run, they're produced and shipped out. ======================================tear line=========================================== Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:58:22 -0400 To: From: Subject: Re: Urgg--MAW )-: At 09:55 AM 10/24/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: >No, they did not do that at least. I noticed my card >was only charged for the gloves so I checked on my >order. > >Anyway, I heard from NewEnough that the delay is due >to the dock strike. So I was not surprised. But I >wanted to know beforehand. > >Thanks that's good news on the pre-charging. As for the dock strike. I thought that was long over by federal order? George M. Bruhl Project Officer, G-AND National Distress and Response Modernization Project Phone: 202.267.2020 Fax: 202.493.7002 Page: 866.259.6029 http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-a/ndrsmp/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 09:12:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PDCwO7015338; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:12:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PDCw4I015328; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:12:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: URGG MAW Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:12:49 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02102509124959.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Forgive my ignorance: What's "MAW"? Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 09:19:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PDJ9O7015536; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:19:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PDJ9rv015530; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:19:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006401c27c29$26cbf7c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Schelin" , "'DC Cycles'" References: <02102509124959.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: URGG MAW Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:19:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Motorcycle Accessory Whorehouse.... Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" > Forgive my ignorance: What's "MAW"? > > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 09:21:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PDLVO7015724; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:21:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PDLV1l015719; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:21:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-ID: <00b401c27c29$1343a9a0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC Cycles'" References: <02102509124959.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: URGG MAW Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:18:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Motorcycle Accessory Whorehouse (I mean Warehouse) Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" To: "'DC Cycles'" Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Re: URGG MAW > Forgive my ignorance: What's "MAW"? > > Carl > -- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 10:25:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PEP5O7016301; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:25:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PEP4BO016291; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:25:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB9558A.307B2362@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:30:34 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Wah CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gridlock TV References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One problem with your dispersal plan. The feds would have to raise salarys and kick in bonuses to convince people to actually *live* in Kansas and a few other dismal places. If I had a fed job and they sent me to Kansas I'd quit and flip burgers for a subsistance living before packing my crap. Bill Adam Wah wrote: > Quite by accident I did tune in.... > The talking heads are still rambling on about sprawl, English Green belt > areas, terrible traffic, parkways... But no one is saying obvious... and > understandably so. The reason the DC metro area is so congested is that the > area VA/MD/DC is greedy. Why aren't government agencies willing to located > in other parts of the country... say Kansas? We're all connected, Al Gore > said so. Plus, with the "new normalcy" aka post 9/11, we should probably > look into placing government functions outside of this one particular area. > All the eggs in one basket may not be as sound of a philosphy as it once > way. > > Currently the plan is to vacate all the "important" dumbasses to outlying > areas while the government grunts (who really do the work) are left here to > wither on the vine, so to speak. > > Put a little government in Kansas, a little in Topeka a little in Oklahoma, > maybe some in Minnesota, Northern Michigan, Nebraska etc... Why not? > > my 2 (hey where's the cents key!!!) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 10:31:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PEVcO7016516; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:31:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PEVcQZ016506; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:31:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021025102813.022aa388@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:31:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: SV! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed A while back I decided on a SV650 as my second bike. Probably a couple years used in good condition. Haven't started seriously looking yet - not even sure it is really what I want as a hooligan bike. Flipping through Motorcyclist yesterday - what do I spy? SV1000? Oh yeah. Now I have to make a tougher decision. Do I go with this new SV1000 or the Honda Hornet US Version? Hmmm. If money were no option, I might go Ducati ... but I am tempted by the Suzuki TL style twin. Anyone ridden the new guy(s) yet? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 10:43:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PEhQO7016757; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:43:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PEhQXP016750; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:43:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021025144323.21327.qmail@web20706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:43:23 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: SV! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.5.0.20021025102813.022aa388@mail.wheatintl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the magazines haven't even ridden them (SV1000) yet! The hornet 900 is a LOUSY investment IMO (ditto a CB750 - typical Honda selling bikes for more money and short on features because of the badge - not quite HD league mind you but still). If you're going to get a bike in that category get the ZRX which is cheaper (I'm pretty sure) not to mention so far ahead in the suspension department it's not even funny even if it does give up a touch in the weight department. The big Bandit would also be on my short list. Plust there is the new Z1000 but I suspect that'll be quite expensive. Obviously I don't know what your criteria for 'hooligan' is and also don't understand why it one would want one unless 'hooligan' simply means decked out like Mad Max's bikes or what have you. Acting like a 'hooligan' on public streets is bound to get somebody hurt. but if you want a simple looking, minimalist biking experience I doubt you could go far wrong with a nekid SV650. ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 10:48:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PEmrO7016820; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:48:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PEmr3x016812; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:48:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021025104542.020d2dd8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:48:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: SV! In-Reply-To: <20021025144323.21327.qmail@web20706.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.5.0.20021025102813.022aa388@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:43 AM 10/25/2002, you wrote: >the magazines haven't even ridden them (SV1000) yet! The hornet 900 is >a LOUSY investment IMO (ditto a CB750 - typical Honda selling bikes for >more money and short on features because of the badge - not quite HD >league mind you but still). If you're going to get a bike in that >category get the ZRX which is cheaper (I'm pretty sure) not to mention >so far ahead in the suspension department it's not even funny even if >it does give up a touch in the weight department. The big Bandit would >also be on my short list. Plust there is the new Z1000 but I suspect >that'll be quite expensive. I don't care for Kawis myself. I am really narrowing it down between the Honda and the Suzuki. I like the looks and style of both. If only we could test ride anywhere but the Honda Hoot..... >Obviously I don't know what your criteria for 'hooligan' is and also >don't understand why it one would want one unless 'hooligan' simply >means decked out like Mad Max's bikes or what have you. Acting like a >'hooligan' on public streets is bound to get somebody hurt. Matt - lighten up. It is a term used for bikes like the SV, the VMax and many others. 'Round town troublemakers. >but if you want a simple looking, minimalist biking experience I doubt >you could go far wrong with a nekid SV650. My feelings exactly. I'm not big on the SV650S look - if I wanted it, I'd go further and pick up a Bandit or a Yamaha FZ1. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 10:49:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PEnHO7016864; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:49:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PEnHUZ016858; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:49:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021025144914.53998.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:49:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: SV! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.5.0.20021025102813.022aa388@mail.wheatintl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been keeping my eyes open on the web lately for ride reports on the new SVs, but so far I don't think anyone's had the opportunity. I've asked around and March-April seems to be the prediction on when dealers will get them. I suspect we'll see reviews in the mags some time between now and then. I've decided to trade in my VTR on a used SV and I'm in the process of doing so now with a dealer in Pennsylvania. We'll see how it goes. If you want a test-ride on mine if/when I get it, let me know. I've ridden them a few times and while I haven't wheelied one yet (never on someone else's bike), it seems pretty eager to do it. It would probably fit your bill as far as "hooliganism" goes. The 919 might not be quite as good in this regard - mag reports are that it's a bit boring. YMMV. If money is no object, you might want to see how the Kawasaki Z1000 turns out. Looks like a hooligan machine and no mistake. Chris Weaver --- Troutman wrote: > A while back I decided on a SV650 as my second bike. > Probably a couple > years used in good condition. Haven't started > seriously looking yet - not > even sure it is really what I want as a hooligan > bike. Flipping through > Motorcyclist yesterday - what do I spy? SV1000? Oh > yeah. Now I have to > make a tougher decision. Do I go with this new > SV1000 or the Honda Hornet > US Version? Hmmm. If money were no option, I might > go Ducati ... but I am > tempted by the Suzuki TL style twin. > > Anyone ridden the new guy(s) yet? > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 10:54:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PEsKO7016927; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:54:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PEsKlg016921; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:54:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB95ACC.4A815078@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:53:00 -0400 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "William J. Huson" , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gridlock TV References: <3DB9558A.307B2362@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "William J. Huson" wrote: > > One problem with your dispersal plan. The feds would have to raise salarys and > kick in bonuses to convince people to actually *live* in Kansas and a few other > dismal places. If I had a fed job and they sent me to Kansas I'd quit and flip > burgers for a subsistance living before packing my crap. > > Bill if they paid you a DC salary in Kansas, you'd live like a king. well, perhaps not quite that drastic, but you would be making comparatively significantly more money. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 10:58:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PEwTO7016972; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:58:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PEwT5K016965; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:58:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB95990.60100@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:47:44 -0400 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV! References: <5.2.0.5.0.20021025102813.022aa388@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it'll be a great bike (SV1000), I sure wish Honda would get off their ass and do something similar with their twin. Tom de '98 VTR Troutman wrote: > A while back I decided on a SV650 as my second bike. Probably a > couple years used in good condition. Haven't started seriously > looking yet - not even sure it is really what I want as a hooligan > bike. Flipping through Motorcyclist yesterday - what do I spy? > SV1000? Oh yeah. Now I have to make a tougher decision. Do I go > with this new SV1000 or the Honda Hornet US Version? Hmmm. If money > were no option, I might go Ducati ... but I am tempted by the Suzuki > TL style twin. > > Anyone ridden the new guy(s) yet? > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 11:01:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PF1SO7017045; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:01:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PF1STR017040; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:01:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB95A47.2010303@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:50:47 -0400 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV! References: <5.2.0.5.0.20021025102813.022aa388@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it'll be a great bike (SV1000), I sure wish Honda would get off their ass and do something similar with their twin. Tom de '98 VTR Troutman wrote: > A while back I decided on a SV650 as my second bike. Probably a > couple years used in good condition. Haven't started seriously > looking yet - not even sure it is really what I want as a hooligan > bike. Flipping through Motorcyclist yesterday - what do I spy? > SV1000? Oh yeah. Now I have to make a tougher decision. Do I go > with this new SV1000 or the Honda Hornet US Version? Hmmm. If money > were no option, I might go Ducati ... but I am tempted by the Suzuki > TL style twin. > > Anyone ridden the new guy(s) yet? > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 11:02:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PF26O7017083; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:02:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PF26dC017079; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:02:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: SV! Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:01:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230709A412@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: SV! Thread-Index: AcJ8N24CGrXnBXjmR+mEGweheHZ3Cw== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9PF25O7017063 SV1000? My god yes, and Please be a super hooligan and wheelie up and down Matt Pattons street while the kiddies are going to school... :o) George Cole >>> Troutman 10/25/02 10:31AM >>> A while back I decided on a SV650 as my second bike. Probably a couple ? SV1000? Oh yeah. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 11:09:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PF99O7017149; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:09:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PF98Uf017143; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:09:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV! Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:09:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9PF97O7017131 Tom de wrote: > I think it'll be a great bike (SV1000), I sure wish Honda would get off > their ass and do something similar with their twin. > > Tom de '98 VTR Agreed... The SV1000 is on my short list to replace my rat-bike-naked VTR. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 11:12:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PFChO7017207; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:12:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PFChft017201; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:12:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB960B5.65620228@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:18:13 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Skip Smith CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gridlock TV References: <3DB9558A.307B2362@patriot.net> <3DB95ACC.4A815078@tasam.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Skip Smith wrote: > "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > > One problem with your dispersal plan. The feds would have to raise salarys and > > kick in bonuses to convince people to actually *live* in Kansas and a few other > > dismal places. If I had a fed job and they sent me to Kansas I'd quit and flip > > burgers for a subsistance living before packing my crap. > > > > Bill > > if they paid you a DC salary in Kansas, you'd live like a king. > > well, perhaps not quite that drastic, but you would be making > comparatively significantly more money. > > Skip Yes, but you'd be living in KansASS! Been there, boring. While motoring across Kansas I saw three single car crashes that seemed to be caused by the drivers becoming so bored they slipped into a coma. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 11:13:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PFDAO7017255; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:13:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PFDAHh017249; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:13:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: HD tank slapper Law Suits Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:12:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2002 15:12:03.0448 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFCBBF80:01C27C38] Wobble On September 13, 2002, the Raleigh, North Carolina News and Observer reported that a local police officer had lost control of his Harley-Davidson motorcycle after its front wheel began to wobble as he was passing a tractor-trailer at 85 mph, and died. 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Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 11:15:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PFFOO7017303; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:15:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PFFOMM017295; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:15:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021025151154.84520.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:11:54 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Gridlock TV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3DB9558A.307B2362@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > One problem with your dispersal plan. The feds would have to raise > salarys and > kick in bonuses to convince people to actually *live* in Kansas and a oh sure, but why do we want the same DC people running the operation? Not to mention the exact same DC salary in Okie or let alone west virginia is a king's ransom by local standards. I think the idea makes very good sense. One you get rid of all the dead-wood collecting grossly over-inflated wages, as well as the pompous asses who couldn't deal with the self-image of living in podunk Kansas or Nebraska. You also end up infusing MAJOR economic opportunities into the distributed locations. Not to mention, those po' folk in the country actually have a brain on their shoulders unlike those who received their lobotomies at Haavaaad or Yale. Some of the stupidist people I know have a pile of degrees. And anyway aren't the Dems all about fairness and spreading the wealth? Keeping everything here only actually serves to concentrate their stranglehhold on power (their true objective), raise the cost of entry to do business so that only the fat cats who line their political coffers can get contracts (little guy? what little guy), and build a nice, sprawling empire while conveniently overlooking the fact that it's this very centralization that is a major cause of the self-same urban sprawl they cry and fume over. And with all the handwringing going on, they can fill countless hours of airtime with pontificating and proposing (if not spending) large sums of money to do public transit, or highway improvements, imposing rent control or whatever. Though there are a couple of plusses: 1) a sniper or two can shut the city down - a gov't not doing anything is a gov't not doing any harm (nor good for that matter) but gov't is far more harmful than good 2) a well placed weapon can kill the whole lot off or we can hope the smog will do it instead 3) a super-congested environment eventually slows down enough that nothing happens (ie. we don't need shooters etc. to do the same thing) If gov't was really about what Lincoln and the many forefathers intended it to be then a distributed model is far and away the logical choice. In the 18th century we didn't have transportation, the 'net or anything that would lead to decentralization. Now we do. But even if it was the 24th century and we could teleport anywhere instantly, we'd still have DC because in the end it's all about personal aggrendizement and grabbing power, influence, status, and wealth. It's hard to feel important when you're in bum-heck Idaho surrounded by cows and a sea of potatoes. Yes, Mr. Jefferson we are grossly overdue for a revolution. ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 11:16:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PFGiO7017358; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:16:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PFGhMk017346; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:16:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Adam Wah" To: pattonme@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gridlock TV Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:16:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2002 15:16:35.0406 (UTC) FILETIME=[81E53EE0:01C27C39] That too. I was thinking about spreading the Federal wealth around a bit. There are plenty of places that could use the help. Which offer alot in the "quality of life" issues that kept coming up on the show. >From: matthew patton >To: Adam Wah >Subject: Re: Gridlock TV >Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 06:25:49 -0700 (PDT) > >not only that. Imagine the HUGE cost savings. That or the huge increase >in prosperity/employment in some of these depressed areas like Okie. > >===== >Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. >- signed the Cat & the Dog > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 11:45:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PFjSO7017655; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:45:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PFjRPZ017645; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:45:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021025153233.97935.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:32:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: SV! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230709A412@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii While I'm eager to hear the reviews on the SV1000 as anyone (proud owner of an SV650), no one has yet mentioned one of the best hooligan bikes that's out there today. The real star of Mission Impossible II, the Triumph Speed Triple. I test road one at the Honda Hoot and it is a blast. Sweet handling, great engine, and get you noticed looks. If I could have afforded it at the time I bought my SV, I would have bought the Speed Triple instead. I love my SV, and I am definitely not sorry I got it, but the Speed Triple is just nasty. Keith --- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > SV1000? My god yes, and Please be a super hooligan > and wheelie up and > down > Matt Pattons street while the kiddies are going to > school... :o) > > George Cole > > >>> Troutman 10/25/02 10:31AM >>> > A while back I decided on a SV650 as my second bike. > Probably a couple > > ? SV1000? Oh yeah. > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 11:53:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PFrVO7017729; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:53:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PFrV4D017721; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:53:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021025115004.0218abb8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:53:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: SV! In-Reply-To: <20021025153233.97935.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> References: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230709A412@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The Triple has great looks, and a lister sold his a few weeks ago. Great deal if I had the money. Not exactly what I am looking for though. Once again - if I were looking at the Triumph, I'd also be looking at the Yama FZ1. A lot of VFR riders moved that way when it came out. Bandit style tough guy with touring capabaility. And a lot more oomph than the triple. I'm hooked on the V4. I'll go twin, but never head out to inline 4 land. Power band is too weird for me (in comparison). I hang out in 4-5k and have torque when I want it. Try that on a peppy 600 and it'll bog. At 11:32 AM 10/25/2002, you wrote: >While I'm eager to hear the reviews on the SV1000 as >anyone (proud owner of an SV650), no one has yet >mentioned one of the best hooligan bikes that's out >there today. The real star of Mission Impossible II, >the Triumph Speed Triple. I test road one at the >Honda Hoot and it is a blast. Sweet handling, great >engine, and get you noticed looks. > >If I could have afforded it at the time I bought my >SV, I would have bought the Speed Triple instead. I >love my SV, and I am definitely not sorry I got it, >but the Speed Triple is just nasty. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 12:21:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PGLpO7017985; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:21:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PGLp3J017979; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:21:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <032201c27c42$aa0f2440$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: VSP Moto officer Mark Cosslett Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:18:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In found this on the National Review's web site, on the VSP moto officer killed on Wednesday. ----------------------------- In the Line of Duty The sniper's last victim: Virginia Trooper Mark Cosslett, R.I.P. The most inspiring story to come out of the horror of September 11 was the heroism of ordinary firefighters and policemen who perished while saving the lives of others. There's been nothing comparable to it during the sniper case, and maybe there can't be. But one hero did die, and I'd like to tell you about him. His name was Mark Cosslett, and he was a 40-year-old Virginia State Trooper. On Wednesday morning, shortly after D.C.-area parents heard those chilling words - "your children are not safe anywhere at any time" - he posted himself outside a preschool in Alexandria. Two of my own kids attend Bush Hill Presbyterian Day School, and my wife drives them there every weekday. Since the sniper shootings began, she has wondered whether this morning ritual puts our kids at risk. Wouldn't it be safer just to keep them home until this nightmare ends? Cosslett's presence comforted her deeply. She thanked him for being there, and raved about him all afternoon and evening - which was passed watching hours of hopeful developments suggesting that the sniper case was about to break. My wife and I couldn't help but think that perhaps the gunman drove by Bush Hill sometime on Wednesday, gave it a hard look, and decided to keep on going because Cosslett was there. My kids have been mostly unaware of the sniper, though my five-year-old son did explain to me that his outdoor play at school was suspended because "there's a bad man who shoots kids." He and his little sister were completely aware of Cosslett, however. They were thrilled to have him at their school and ecstatic when he handed them plastic "Junior Trooper" badges on their way out the door. When they got home, they raced to their rooms, threw off their shirts, and tossed on the matching navy NYPD shirts that already have gone through our laundry more times than I can count. Much of the rest of the day was spent playing police, with an extensive collection of Hot Wheels, Matchboxes, and Fisher-Price toys called in as props. Sometime on Wednesday, after leaving Bush Hill - where Cosslett had simply been volunteering his time, and where one of his two young children also attends - he received word of a shooting in Newington. Who knows what went through his mind; perhaps he thought the sniper had struck again. It hardly matters. He raced toward the scene on his motorcycle, riding the right-hand shoulder of I-95, probably to avoid traffic congestion. Along the way, a tow truck pulled in front of him. There was a collision. Cosslett was thrown from his bike. He died on the spot. My wife and I won't ever forget living through the sniper attacks - nobody in the D.C. area will. The risk that any of us would have fallen to the sniper was slim, but the connections are too personal. One of the murders took place a few hundred feet from where my mother-in-law works. Most occurred near roads that we drive all the time. It wasn't possible to visit a gas station without thinking about the sniper - just as it wasn't possible last fall to look at an airplane without thinking about September 11. Mark Cosslett is part of the memory as well, and responsible for one of the few positive feelings we've had since the sniper went on his rampage. He may be that bad man's last victim: If he hadn't felt the need to stand guard outside Bush Hill, perhaps he would have been in a different location when that call came from Newington. He might have taken another route. The accident would not have occurred. He would have gone home to see his wife and kids that night. On Thursday morning he would have learned that the sniper, in all probability, had been captured. And he would have lived to be an old man, just as he deserved to. I never met Mark Cosslett, and wouldn't even have known his name but for his fatal accident. I do know one thing, and I knew it before he was gone: At a time when my family was looking for a hero, there he was. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 12:31:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PGVaO7018072; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:31:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PGVacL018062; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:31:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021025163134.97003.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:31:34 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: SV! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.5.0.20021025115004.0218abb8@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > tough guy with touring capabaility. And a lot more oomph than the > triple. but all at the top. > I'm hooked on the V4. I'll go twin, but never head out to inline 4 > land. Power band is too weird for me (in comparison). I hang out in > 4-5k and have torque when I want it. Try that on a peppy 600 and I almost never spin my I4 higher than 5K. Very occassionally 6K in 1st gear. Has plenty of get up and go unless I'm in 5th gear. Even 4th pulls quite well though one needs 3rd for get out of dodge NOW! sort of action. I owned a T3 Trident (down-market version of the Speed3) and that baby has some serious oomph. Anything over 3500 RPM and 1/4 throttle and it was time to hang on as the engine climbed thru 5K and another hit at 7K with a glorious roar. The triples have the best of both worlds: great torque and smooth (I think rathter smoother actually) like a 4. ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 12:31:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PGVcO7018100; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:31:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PGVcT4018094; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:31:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021025163136.57112.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:31:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: SV! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.5.0.20021025115004.0218abb8@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mike, The triple engine is very similar in torque feel to a v-twin. I rode a Daytona a few years ago and was quite impressed with it's powerband. The owner of that Daytona, though, wasn't too thrilled when the engine blew up on him on I-95 one day. I've heard of a lot of other catastrophic engine failures in the Daytona/Sp3 line since then. I'd shy away for THAT reason rather than because the engine might be peaky. Chris --- Troutman wrote: > The Triple has great looks, and a lister sold his a > few weeks ago. Great > deal if I had the money. Not exactly what I am > looking for though. Once > again - if I were looking at the Triumph, I'd also > be looking at the Yama > FZ1. A lot of VFR riders moved that way when it > came out. Bandit style > tough guy with touring capabaility. And a lot more > oomph than the triple. > > I'm hooked on the V4. I'll go twin, but never head > out to inline 4 > land. Power band is too weird for me (in > comparison). I hang out in 4-5k > and have torque when I want it. Try that on a peppy > 600 and it'll bog. > > At 11:32 AM 10/25/2002, you wrote: > >While I'm eager to hear the reviews on the SV1000 > as > >anyone (proud owner of an SV650), no one has yet > >mentioned one of the best hooligan bikes that's out > >there today. The real star of Mission Impossible > II, > >the Triumph Speed Triple. I test road one at the > >Honda Hoot and it is a blast. Sweet handling, great > >engine, and get you noticed looks. > > > >If I could have afforded it at the time I bought my > >SV, I would have bought the Speed Triple instead. > I > >love my SV, and I am definitely not sorry I got it, > >but the Speed Triple is just nasty. > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 12:37:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PGbdO7018167; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:37:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PGbdvh018157; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:37:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:52:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: SV! In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.5.0.20021025115004.0218abb8@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Troutman wrote: > The Triple has great looks, and a lister sold his a few weeks ago. Great > deal if I had the money. Not exactly what I am looking for though. Once > again - if I were looking at the Triumph, I'd also be looking at the Yama > FZ1. A lot of VFR riders moved that way when it came out. Bandit style > tough guy with touring capabaility. And a lot more oomph than the triple. > > I'm hooked on the V4. I'll go twin, but never head out to inline 4 > land. Power band is too weird for me (in comparison). I hang out in 4-5k > and have torque when I want it. Try that on a peppy 600 and it'll bog. You need to ride bigger bikes. My 1300cc inline 4 EyeAbuser has enough tq at 4000 rpm to bumpstart the earth. ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.purplecar.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 12:43:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PGhgO7018248; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:43:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PGhgvk018240; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:43:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:58:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: VSP Moto officer Mark Cosslett In-Reply-To: <032201c27c42$aa0f2440$bb82fea9@palladio1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > In found this on the National Review's web site, on the VSP moto officer > killed on Wednesday. > ----------------------------- > In the Line of Duty > The sniper's last victim: Virginia Trooper Mark Cosslett, R.I.P. Great story and tribute to a fallen officer/rider/fellow human being. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 12:45:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PGjrO7018311; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:45:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PGjpZv018296; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:45:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:47:13 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > I'm hooked on the V4. I'll go twin, but never head out to inline 4 > > land. Power band is too weird for me (in comparison). I hang out in 4-5k > > and have torque when I want it. Try that on a peppy 600 and it'll bog. > > You need to ride bigger bikes. My 1300cc inline 4 EyeAbuser has enough tq > at 4000 rpm to bumpstart the earth. ;-) > Call me another V4 junkie. Wayne's right though, bigger is better,a 1300cc V4 would be nice. I'd settle for a 1000cc.. come on Honda, I'll be at the dealer with cash in hand if you build it. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 12:51:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PGpQO7018380; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:51:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PGpQ1t018370; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:51:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00fe01c27c47$21662620$e507a8c0@LHS> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" References: Subject: Re: SV! Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:54:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Having "transitioned" from a V-twin (SuperHawk - 4 sale by the way) to the FZ1 was not nearly the adjustment I thought it would be. The FZ1 pulls well from about 2k and at 7k you better be holding on pretty good, but not like a 2 smoker hitting its power band, more like changing half a gear. I can wheelie the FZ1 easier than the SuperHawk actually, and it is a lot easier to control. It is not unusual for me to do most of my riding between 3k and 6k, unless I want to play more, then I jump it up above 7k, but it is still controllable power and fun! I have owned and ridden VFR's, V-twins, and now the I-4, and based on my experience I still prefer the v-twin for its "vibration" characteristics and the way it puts the power to the asphalt. If the SV 1K had been out when I bought the FZ1 I might have gone that route. Of course the Kawi Z1k look awfully tempting also.... and.... and ... Danny '02 FZ1 '02 XR 250R '98 Superhawk (for sale) www.onewayracing.org CSBA #150 ...................................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" To: Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: Re: SV! > On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Troutman wrote: > > > The Triple has great looks, and a lister sold his a few weeks ago. Great > > deal if I had the money. Not exactly what I am looking for though. Once > > again - if I were looking at the Triumph, I'd also be looking at the Yama > > FZ1. A lot of VFR riders moved that way when it came out. Bandit style > > tough guy with touring capabaility. And a lot more oomph than the triple. > > > > I'm hooked on the V4. I'll go twin, but never head out to inline 4 > > land. Power band is too weird for me (in comparison). I hang out in 4-5k > > and have torque when I want it. Try that on a peppy 600 and it'll bog. > > You need to ride bigger bikes. My 1300cc inline 4 EyeAbuser has enough tq > at 4000 rpm to bumpstart the earth. ;-) > > -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 13:17:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PHHAO7018589; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:17:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PHHA8m018579; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:17:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV! Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:16:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2002 17:16:03.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[3278D900:01C27C4A] Dan, You're in luck! It's called the V-Max... ;^) Perry >From: dan >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: SV! >Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:47:13 -0400 (EDT) > [snip] >Call me another V4 junkie. Wayne's right though, bigger is better,a >1300cc V4 would be nice. I'd settle for a 1000cc.. come on Honda, >I'll be >at the dealer with cash in hand if you build it. > >Dan _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 13:21:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PHLYO7018656; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:21:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PHLWdh018644; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:21:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021025131819.020c49a8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:19:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: SV! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:47 PM 10/25/2002, dan wrote: >Call me another V4 junkie. Wayne's right though, bigger is better,a >1300cc V4 would be nice. I'd settle for a 1000cc.. come on Honda, I'll be >at the dealer with cash in hand if you build it. You'll be first in line for the new V5 1000cc bike I've been hearing rumors about then, eh? Turns out the Blackbird didn't get a major makeover. Same as before. It might be the new V5 next year. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 13:23:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PHNcO7018858; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:23:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PHNcnA018848; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:23:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB97DC4.DADDCA14@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:22:12 -0400 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dan wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > I'm hooked on the V4. I'll go twin, but never head out to inline 4 > > > land. Power band is too weird for me (in comparison). I hang out in 4-5k > > > and have torque when I want it. Try that on a peppy 600 and it'll bog. > > > > You need to ride bigger bikes. My 1300cc inline 4 EyeAbuser has enough tq > > at 4000 rpm to bumpstart the earth. ;-) > > > Call me another V4 junkie. Wayne's right though, bigger is better,a > 1300cc V4 would be nice. I'd settle for a 1000cc.. come on Honda, I'll be > at the dealer with cash in hand if you build it. > > Dan They already did... the V65 Magna. Mmmm... the power. the phenominal cosmic power... Skip Just sold my Magna, and missing it mightily From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 13:27:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PHRVO7018898; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:27:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PHRVXf018892; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:27:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021025132509.00b46628@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:27:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: SV! In-Reply-To: <3DB97DC4.DADDCA14@tasam.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:22 PM 10/25/2002, Skip Smith wrote: >dan wrote: > > > > On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > > I'm hooked on the V4. I'll go twin, but never head out to inline 4 > > > > land. Power band is too weird for me (in comparison). I hang out > in 4-5k > > > > and have torque when I want it. Try that on a peppy 600 and it'll bog. > > > > > > You need to ride bigger bikes. My 1300cc inline 4 EyeAbuser has > enough tq > > > at 4000 rpm to bumpstart the earth. ;-) > > > > > Call me another V4 junkie. Wayne's right though, bigger is better,a > > 1300cc V4 would be nice. I'd settle for a 1000cc.. come on Honda, I'll be > > at the dealer with cash in hand if you build it. > > > > Dan > >They already did... > >the V65 Magna. Mmmm... the power. the phenominal cosmic power... sold both my VF700C and my V65 Magnas about a year ago. Gawd the V65 was fast...scary fast for a cruiser. The 700 wasn't a slouch either. Ironically, the only tickets I've *ever* received on a bike has been on my Harley. 8-P Figure *that* one out! -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 13:32:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PHWWO7018966; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:32:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PHWWs4018958; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:32:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <03f301c27c4c$8758d5e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <5.1.1.5.2.20021025132509.00b46628@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: SV! Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:32:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 "Potato - potato" must be the LEO homing call. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 < . Gawd the V65 > was fast...scary fast for a cruiser. The 700 wasn't a slouch either. > > Ironically, the only tickets I've *ever* received on a bike has been on my > Harley. 8-P > > Figure *that* one out! > > -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 13:35:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PHZMO7019049; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:35:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PHZM8N019038; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:35:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:36:42 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Perry Coleman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Dan, > > You're in luck! It's called the V-Max... ;^) > > Perry > Now if they could shoehorn that thing into an R1 frame, yes I would be in luck :-D Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 13:38:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PHc2O7019148; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:38:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PHc2sA019140; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:38:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:39:24 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV! In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.5.0.20021025131819.020c49a8@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Troutman wrote: > You'll be first in line for the new V5 1000cc bike I've been hearing rumors > about then, eh? > > Turns out the Blackbird didn't get a major makeover. Same as before. It > might be the new V5 next year. > Wiping away drool... why yes, yes I would! Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 13:39:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PHddO7019204; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:39:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PHdcMa019193; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:39:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:54:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Aki Damme Cc: Subject: Re: SV! In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021025132509.00b46628@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Aki Damme wrote: > >They already did... > > > >the V65 Magna. Mmmm... the power. the phenominal cosmic power... > > sold both my VF700C and my V65 Magnas about a year ago. Gawd the V65 > was fast...scary fast for a cruiser. The 700 wasn't a slouch either. I had an '84 VF1000F Interceptor (http://www.purplecar.org/temp/vffront2.jpg). It was reasonably quick for it's vintage, but not much when compared to bikes today. Too much weight, not enough HP (115hp rating for the 1000cc V4). -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 15:52:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PJqQO7020026; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:52:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PJqPKR020016; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:52:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:53:47 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: This week's ebay winner Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1869445541 200 mph bike with a single disc conversion... beautiful. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 15:58:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PJw7O7020075; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:58:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PJw7a7020067; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:58:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB9A1FF.82DA1E4F@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:56:47 -0400 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This week's ebay winner References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dan wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1869445541 > > 200 mph bike with a single disc conversion... beautiful. > > Dan Two words stood out for me: Salvage title Blue skies! skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 16:24:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PKOgO7020260; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:24:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PKOfVa020250; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:24:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:24:33 -0700 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This week's ebay winner Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Personally, I like "handles differently." Nice euphemism for "like shit." %^) On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:56:47 -0400 Skip Smith wrote: > dan wrote: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1869445541 > > > > 200 mph bike with a single disc conversion... > beautiful. > > > > Dan > > Two words stood out for me: > > Salvage title > > > Blue skies! > > skip > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 19:22:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PNMKO7021748; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:22:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PNMJFE021738; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:22:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021025232212.84355.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:22:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: SV! To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021025163134.97003.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > > I'm hooked on the V4. I'll go twin, but never head out > to inline 4 > > land. Power band is too weird for me (in comparison). > I hang out in > > 4-5k and have torque when I want it. Try that on a > peppy 600 and > > I almost never spin my I4 higher than 5K. Very > occassionally 6K in 1st > gear. yawn. i see now why you made such a stink earlier about most bikes being too much for the street. > Has plenty of get up and go unless I'm in 5th gear. > Even 4th > pulls quite well though one needs 3rd for get out of > dodge NOW! sort of > action. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 19:36:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9PNa5O7021830; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:36:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9PNa4rO021823; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:36:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.1.20021025192517.00aed008@k-kdom.nishanet.com> X-Sender: brownlee_b@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:38:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: HD tank slapper Law Suits In-Reply-To: <200210252300.g9PN01YJ021120@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed oh yeah... nice time to beat up on the iron pigs.... no other bike has these problems, right? never seen a tank slapper on any other bike? present company excepted, i cant stand these predator lawyers and their 'class action' (imagine, 'class' and 'lawyer' in the same sentence) suits... only one person gets money out of them.... i had my '95 ultra up to 100 ONCE and it was fine, until i tried to turn (i ran out of road) then i shimmeyed all over the place.... ok, shouldnt have been there in the first place. HD put a bigger front axle in starting in '00 i think. went from i think 3/4" to 1 1/4" or something.... great mod, the equivilent of fork braces available for most other bikes (the FLH's dont have room for one). Wed nite i hit a deer on Rt 29 eastbound right before lk manassas. nailed its head square with the headlight. it swung around and slapped the right side of me. no bad damage to the bike (new headlight and turn signal needed) little bit more to my leg (thank god for the stich, i think my knee would have sustained lotsa damage). i'm starting to work out the charliehorse. comments from all was that i didnt go down. i didnt really have time to react, i dont even think i let off the gas. i spotted her, made a quick scan further up the road, and by the time i got back to her, she'd come out of the ditch into the road. i had started moving to the left to give her room, but it wasnt enough. drove right on through her, bike never really twitched. i dont even really recall feeling much of an impact (she probably ran 150- 200 lbs to reach the headlamp, i was running 60mph). I was very happy with the stability of the new '02 chassis (which i've also had over 90mph with no wobble). the wobble is typical in all bikes, an engineer explained it to me once, but i still dont understand it. it rests heavily on alignment and also rake/trail. real nice bike that new '02..... i wasnt won over easily, but it's 10 times better than i thought it would ever be.... every aspect, especially handling, is improved. to those who are wondering, i did go back to my neighbor (riding with me wed nite) and said "tell me once again why you left the carcass????" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 20:57:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9Q0vCO7022177; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:57:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9Q0v9sr022162; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:57:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DB9E9B2.8D403C66@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:02:42 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Wah CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HD tank slapper Law Suits References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam Wah wrote: > The News and Observer, however, stated that other sources noted > stability problems with the FLH series of Harley-Davidson, also known as the > Electra Glide, Road King and Ultra Classic, which are widely used by law > enforcement officers nationwide. "A Harley, when you get it to high speed, > has what you call a high-speed wobble," Sgt. R.N. Stallings of the North > Carolina Highway Patrol was quoted as stating. In an otherwise glowing > article in 1999, Motorcycle Consumer News described "an oscillation in the > chassis that keeps the bike from feeling steady, both while cornering and at > elevated speeds." The writer attributed the problem to an offset between the > front and rear tires. I dearly love the "offset between the front and rear tires" whine. Yes, I heard that about the FLH, and I say - READ THE DAMN SERVICE MANUAL! The FLH engine and swingarm can be adjusted via turnbuckles, and the service manual clearly shows the procedure used to ALIGN the tire tracks. One would think that a police garage would check that, since it does greatly improve the high speed handling. *Some* dealers do check that. Methinks Whitts did a fine alignment when putting a new frame under my running gear, and the Chick mechanic at the dealer in TN who replaced my bald rear tire had the alignment perfecto. Additional mods by me on the old scoot was to chuck the wimpy rear air bags and use real shocks, and replace the front fork springs. A relitively cheap fix with noticable results. The fatter axle Bruce mentioned probably helps improve the stiffness also. But do tell, whatever happened to riding within your limits, and within the limits of your machine. The FLH is a CRUISER, not designed or intended to operate at triple digits. Dang things need a tailwind to break 100. Why do cops use them, other than the perks offered by The Motor Company? Simple, you can low-side a Hawg, dust your butt off, pick up the bike and ride away with minimal damage, a few scratchs on the crash bars. I have proven this by actual test. Dang things are tough. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 22:06:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9Q26xO7022502; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:06:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9Q26w53022492; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:06:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002f01c27c94$55e85a10$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: References: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230709A412@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> Subject: Cycles USA Open house Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:05:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sorry it is the day before, but most of you know already. Cycles USA on Georgia Ave. is having an open house/halloween party. Prizes and hooter girls (now there's a prize) will be among the festivities. Hope to see you all there, I will be dressed as a mechanic (nice costume). Scott 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 22:14:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9Q2EOO7022562; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:14:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9Q2ENtj022555; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:14:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008201c27c95$616f2340$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: References: Subject: Re: This week's ebay winner Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:13:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I personally love his spelling. "Gits" and "Diffewrently", and not to mention the salvage title. Held together by paint it must. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 4:24 PM Subject: Re: This week's ebay winner > Personally, I like "handles differently." Nice euphemism for "like shit." %^) > > On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:56:47 -0400 Skip Smith wrote: > > > dan wrote: > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1869445541 > > > > > > 200 mph bike with a single disc conversion... > > beautiful. > > > > > > Dan > > > > Two words stood out for me: > > > > Salvage title > > > > > > Blue skies! > > > > skip > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Oct 25 23:47:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9Q3llO7023197; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:47:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9Q3lk1L023187; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:47:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021025234426.009ec2e0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:47:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Great Fairing Modification... In-Reply-To: <200210252300.g9PN01YJ021120@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:00 PM 10/25/02, "William J. Huson" wrote: >.... I *hate* turbos! Superchargers rule! Aaahhh, thank you. A blast of sanity. >.... One of my original >ideas was to fill two opposite holes with *natural* shape baby bottle >nipples and tack on pasties with tassels to flutter in the breeze. That idea >caused SWMBOed to shriek in horror. There's always that ten percent who shrink from the competition. >Bill - still looking for gauge ideas... How about a blood-alcohol content meter? Especially useful for bike nights. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 26 00:01:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9Q416O7023297; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 00:01:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9Q415H4023287; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 00:01:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021025234945.009f97d0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 00:00:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV! In-Reply-To: <200210252300.g9PN01YJ021120@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >From: Troutman >Subject: SV! > >A while back I decided on a SV650 as my second bike. Probably a couple >years used in good condition. Haven't started seriously looking yet - not >even sure it is really what I want as a hooligan bike. Flipping through >Motorcyclist yesterday - what do I spy? SV1000? Oh yeah. Now I have to >make a tougher decision. Do I go with this new SV1000 or the Honda Hornet >US Version? Hmmm. If money were no option, I might go Ducati ... but I am >tempted by the Suzuki TL style twin. > >Anyone ridden the new guy(s) yet? Four more options to check out: the new Monster 1000, the FZ-1, the new Kwakker with the four little teeny-tiny exhaust pipes -- ZR1000?, and the V-Strom. I'd probably take the Kwakker on looks, if the black paint was only flat black. The V-Strom is winning accolades from everybody who rides it. The FZ-1 looks, IMO, crappy in Yamaha blue, but *great* in silver, and even better in the yellow and black race-replica special paint job (CycleSport on Rt. 1 in Alexandria has both on the floor.) The SV-1000 S version looks absolutely great in the mags, and might be the best of all -- when it actually gets here. And soon we'll have the terrific looking new Aprilia-inspired naked Guzzi to really muddy up the waters (as if the Scura didn't turn me on enough already!) But in the end, I'm real happy with my 919 (Hornet). My only complaints are that it's Japanese, it's a bit too quiet, and the throttle is a bit on/off at very low revs, especially when cold. It's(of course) dead reliable, nimble and fun, great for the urban commute. If 100-105 hp is enough for you, and you want to try it out, mine is available for a spin in Alexandria. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 26 00:03:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9Q43tO7023339; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 00:03:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9Q43tRL023330; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 00:03:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021026000118.009ff050@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 00:03:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/25/02 In-Reply-To: <200210252300.g9PN01YJ021120@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >From: matthew patton >Subject: Re: SV! > >the magazines haven't even ridden them (SV1000) yet! The hornet 900 is >a LOUSY investment IMO (ditto a CB750 - typical Honda selling bikes for >more money and short on features because of the badge - not quite HD >league mind you but still). Which opinion *really* leads me to wonder why you're such a prolific poster on the 919 board, Matt. Just hanging around to slam a bike you've no experience with? Ever consider politics as an avocation? 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 26 01:09:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9Q59uO7023631; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 01:09:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9Q59tY2023621; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 01:09:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 01:09:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Cycles USA Open house To: macda@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230709A412@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> <002f01c27c94$55e85a10$9865fea9@Godzilla> In-Reply-To: <002f01c27c94$55e85a10$9865fea9@Godzilla> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Fwiw, someone came by here a few days ago who had gotten two standard double-cut keys made at Cycles USA (he had taken the original key with him as well). Said he was charged $22 each! Locksmith is generally less than $3. Any idea why the difference? --garcia macda@XXXXXX writes: >Sorry it is the day before, but most of you know already. Cycles USA on >Georgia Ave. is having an open house/halloween party. Prizes and hooter >girls (now there's a prize) will be among the festivities. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 26 08:13:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9QCDBO7025751; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:13:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9QCDA9x025741; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:13:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:11:03 -0400 Subject: Cop killed From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit But, many of you are missing the point. If you have to dive for the shoulder then you were following too closely and/or not paying attention. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 26 08:17:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9QCHZO7025792; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:17:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9QCHYnq025785; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:17:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021026121727.5799.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 05:17:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: HD tank slapper Law Suits To: Bruce Brownlee , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.1.20021025192517.00aed008@k-kdom.nishanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bruce Brownlee wrote: > oh yeah... nice time to beat up on the iron pigs.... no > other bike > has these problems, right? never seen a tank slapper on > any other > bike? present company excepted, i cant stand these > predator lawyers > and their 'class action' (imagine, 'class' and 'lawyer' > in the same > sentence) suits... only one person gets money out of > them.... agreed. that's why many folks opt out of those actions and pursue their own AFTER liability has been established. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 26 08:21:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9QCLgO7025843; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:21:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9QCLgl2025837; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:21:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021026122135.54940.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 05:21:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Urgg--MAW )-: To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20021024134740.70612.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yes, had this happen on my first and only order from MAW. won't be calling again. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Has anyone had experience with MAW fibbing about > in-stock items. Ordered gloves and pants only to find > the pants are on back-order, AFTER they promised they > were in stock. I would have looked elsewhere....... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Oct 26 08:57:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9QCvTO7026001; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:57:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9QCvTVj025993; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:57:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DBA9283.4885C36D@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:02:59 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Form before Function... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rumored to be the Harley Davidson motto. After examining the twin halogen headlight unit that goes into the Road Glide fairing, I believe the rumor is true. Headlight units have to be adjusted for aim. But did H-D allow easy access to the adjustment screws? Hell no, that would mar the sleek lines of the fairing! So here's the deal - one has to adjust the headlight from INSIDE the fairing. Yeppers, the adjustment screws have a hex tail end that accepts what looks like a 3mm or 4mm socket. My initial survey of the situation sez that cranking on the screws from inside the fairing is going to be a screaming bitch. Form before function. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 27 08:07:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9RD7MO7012641; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:07:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9RD7KTo012633; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:07:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021027080230.00b43188@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:07:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: OT: Hard Drive Needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Keeping in mind that I'm *still* unemployed, does anyone have around a ~30gb hard drive to sell? I'm using a WD 7200rpm 13gb drive now as a secondary backup drive and it's almost full. My daughters computer only has a 2gb drive and it's almost full as well so I figured I'd move my 13gb to her system and get a slightly larger capacity secondary drive for me. It doesn't have to be a 7200rpm drive, 5400 is fine since it's only a backup however it can't be a full size drive as it won't fit. If you do and you're willing to sell to me for *cheap*, please ping me off-line. Maybe I even have something you're willing to trade for it. One thing I seem to have a lot of is *stuff*... except a 30gb drive that is. 8-P cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 27 08:26:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9RDQLO7012742; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:26:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9RDQLMr012735; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:26:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DBBEABC.6988334C@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:31:40 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: OT: Hard Drive Needed References: <5.1.1.5.2.20021027080230.00b43188@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good grief! You filled a 13 mb backup disk!!! My not-so-speedy machine has one drive, 8 mb, and I have more'n 6 mb left to overflow. Do tell, what kind of junk have you accumulated? Games? Neked babe pics? Bill Aki Damme wrote: > Keeping in mind that I'm *still* unemployed, does anyone have around a > ~30gb hard > drive to sell? I'm using a WD 7200rpm 13gb drive now as a secondary backup > drive and it's almost full. My daughters computer only has a 2gb drive and > it's almost > full as well so I figured I'd move my 13gb to her system and get a slightly > larger capacity > secondary drive for me. It doesn't have to be a 7200rpm drive, 5400 is > fine since it's only > a backup however it can't be a full size drive as it won't fit. > > If you do and you're willing to sell to me for *cheap*, please ping me > off-line. Maybe I even > have something you're willing to trade for it. One thing I seem to have a > lot of is *stuff*... > except a 30gb drive that is. 8-P > > cheers, > -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 27 08:55:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9RDtqO7012872; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:55:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9RDtqBM012866; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:55:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021027085213.01bc3e40@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:55:45 -0500 To: "William J. Huson" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: OT: Hard Drive Needed Cc: dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <3DBBEABC.6988334C@patriot.net> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20021027080230.00b43188@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:31 AM 10/27/2002, William J. Huson wrote: >Good grief! You filled a 13 mb backup disk!!! My not-so-speedy machine has >one drive, 8 mb, and I have more'n 6 mb left to overflow. Do tell, what kind >of junk have you accumulated? Games? Neked babe pics? > >Bill I assume you mean 13 "GB", not mb. ;-) It's the central backup drive for three computers that are networked in our house. So it has three backup savesets of three individual drives on it. It also is a backup bootable drive with Windows 98SE on it incase my primary drive craps out and it holds a ton of documents and photos from the digital camera and yes software. -aki >Aki Damme wrote: > > > Keeping in mind that I'm *still* unemployed, does anyone have around a > > ~30gb hard > > drive to sell? I'm using a WD 7200rpm 13gb drive now as a secondary backup > > drive and it's almost full. My daughters computer only has a 2gb drive and > > it's almost > > full as well so I figured I'd move my 13gb to her system and get a slightly > > larger capacity > > secondary drive for me. It doesn't have to be a 7200rpm drive, 5400 is > > fine since it's only > > a backup however it can't be a full size drive as it won't fit. > > > > If you do and you're willing to sell to me for *cheap*, please ping me > > off-line. Maybe I even > > have something you're willing to trade for it. One thing I seem to have a > > lot of is *stuff*... > > except a 30gb drive that is. 8-P > > > > cheers, > > -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 27 09:20:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9REKjO7013005; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:20:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9REKico012995; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:20:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:35:32 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: OT: Hard Drive Needed In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021027080230.00b43188@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, Aki Damme wrote: > If you do and you're willing to sell to me for *cheap*, please ping me > off-line. Maybe I even > have something you're willing to trade for it. One thing I seem to have a > lot of is *stuff*... > except a 30gb drive that is. 8-P Have you checked out http://www.compgeeks.com/products.asp?cat=HDD ? They usually have some good, inexpensive stuff. I'll look around my office to see if I've got anything that will fit the bill for you, too. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 27 09:23:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9RENDO7013046; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:23:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9RENDNQ013040; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:23:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021027092203.00b7d980@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:23:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: OT: Hard Drive Needed In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.5.2.20021027080230.00b43188@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:35 AM 10/27/2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, Aki Damme wrote: > > > If you do and you're willing to sell to me for *cheap*, please ping me > > off-line. Maybe I even > > have something you're willing to trade for it. One thing I seem to have a > > lot of is *stuff*... > > except a 30gb drive that is. 8-P > >Have you checked out http://www.compgeeks.com/products.asp?cat=HDD ? They >usually have some good, inexpensive stuff. I'll look around my office to >see if I've got anything that will fit the bill for you, too. > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ thanks Wayne..checked out the site..didn't see anything. I found a WD 30gb drive for a buy it now price of $50 on e-bay..plus $5 for shipping..pretty cheap..may just go with that one. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 27 10:25:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9RFP5O7013324; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:25:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9RFP4c6013314; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:25:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002301c27dcd$03ce13c0$af88db42@ALLOUTRACING> Reply-To: "Gary-All Out Racing" From: "Gary-All Out Racing" To: Subject: Fw: [Vmax] SPAM---Lap top for sale Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:24:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 2:05 PM Subject: [Vmax] SPAM---Lap top for sale > Anyone looking for a good lap top for sale? i have one here, it is in great shape, i used it while mine was being repaired, and it has the disc, and floppy,new windows, New motom connector, and power adapter for 110V. > I had the guys at the Computer store go threw it completely, I am asking $525.00 in it i will take best offer, (no $1.00 wont get it) > It is an EVEREX Step Note book Plus, Has windows95 in it, and a Pentium chip (NO IDEA WHICH ONE?) > The price includes shipping to your door UPS- > It works great, i just dont need 2 lap tops > So please drop me a line, i would rather have someone get it that needs it but it will go on E-bay next week, Let me know-Gary > Gary Hanes > ALL OUT RACING > Performance Motorcycle Parts & Acc. > When It Comes To RACING, GO ALL OUT! > www.goalloutracing.com 440-985-3853 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > vmax-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vmax > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 27 11:36:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9RGatO7013624; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:36:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9RGasxb013617; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:36:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:36:42 +0300 Subject: Re: OT: Hard Drive Needed From: Robert Curtis To: Aki Damme , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021027092203.00b7d980@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out002.verizon.net from [168.187.226.114] at Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:36:42 -0600 Hey Aki- check here: http://www.devsdeals.com I check in here onci in a while for "deals" on computer and other stuff. The site usually has someone offering a HD-rebate-instant rebate-sale price-closeout stuff.... I have 160gb of space, about 60 gb free. It mostly archived photos (my work) MP3s, and movies. So I feel your pain. I remember my first "real" pc had a 10meg HD... Hell my first computer had only 5.25" floppies for storage (Apple II). Rob on 10/27/02 17:23, Aki Damme at adamme1@XXXXXX noted: > At 09:35 AM 10/27/2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: >> On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, Aki Damme wrote: >> >>> If you do and you're willing to sell to me for *cheap*, please ping me >>> off-line. Maybe I even >>> have something you're willing to trade for it. One thing I seem to have a >>> lot of is *stuff*... >>> except a 30gb drive that is. 8-P >> >> Have you checked out http://www.compgeeks.com/products.asp?cat=HDD ? They >> usually have some good, inexpensive stuff. I'll look around my office to >> see if I've got anything that will fit the bill for you, too. >> >> -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > thanks Wayne..checked out the site..didn't see anything. I found a WD 30gb > drive for a buy it now > price of $50 on e-bay..plus $5 for shipping..pretty cheap..may just go with > that one. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 27 12:09:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9RH9dO7013777; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 12:09:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9RH9c3t013771; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 12:09:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021027120544.00b78cc0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 12:09:33 -0500 To: Robert Curtis , From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: OT: Hard Drive Needed In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.5.2.20021027092203.00b7d980@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:36 AM 10/27/2002, Robert Curtis wrote: >Hey Aki- check here: http://www.devsdeals.com I check in here onci in a >while for "deals" on computer and other stuff. The site usually has someone >offering a HD-rebate-instant rebate-sale price-closeout stuff.... > >I have 160gb of space, about 60 gb free. It mostly archived photos (my work) >MP3s, and movies. So I feel your pain. I remember my first "real" pc had a >10meg HD... Hell my first computer had only 5.25" floppies for storage >(Apple II). >Rob thanks Rob! I'll do that. Yeah, I remember building my first pc clone with a 12mhz clock speed *and* a daughter accelerator card that pumped that puppy all the way up to 14mhz! Saved up and bought a $400 10mb hard card (remember hard cards?) and thought I was in hog heaven...hell I had 16mb of RAM! That was just before Windoz 3.1 hit the street. Ah the good days....small disk drives, monochrome monitors, 300bps modems and bbs's to download files and chat in. Hey...come to think of it...those memories MAJORLY SUCK! 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 27 12:31:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9RHVEO7013896; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 12:31:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9RHVE9X013886; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 12:31:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021027173111.85948.qmail@web11301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:31:11 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Re: SV! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200210252300.g9PN01YJ021120@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually, my '98 Speed Triple is _still_ for sale. Hmm . . .seems to be the wrong season for selling. Oh, well. Means I get to ride it more. Ping me off-list if interested. Love that Triple engine! -Aaron ========================= Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:32:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: SV! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX While I'm eager to hear the reviews on the SV1000 as anyone (proud owner of an SV650), no one has yet mentioned one of the best hooligan bikes that's out there today. The real star of Mission Impossible II, the Triumph Speed Triple. I test road one at the Honda Hoot and it is a blast. Sweet handling, great engine, and get you noticed looks. If I could have afforded it at the time I bought my SV, I would have bought the Speed Triple instead. I love my SV, and I am definitely not sorry I got it, but the Speed Triple is just nasty. Keith --- George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > SV1000? My god yes, and Please be a super hooligan > and wheelie up and > down > Matt Pattons street while the kiddies are going to > school... :o) > > George Cole > > >>> Troutman 10/25/02 10:31AM >>> > A while back I decided on a SV650 as my second bike. > Probably a couple > > ? SV1000? Oh yeah. > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 27 20:35:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9S1ZbO7016557; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:35:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9S1ZZ8a016549; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:35:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DBC9460.1060906@atlantech.net> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:35:28 -0500 From: Jim Shoemaker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cop killed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not necessarily. I had to use it a couple of months ago, not because I couldn't stop in time, but because the guy behind me was too busy yakking to realize that traffic had stopped. I pulled off onto the shoulder and his front bumper stopped even with my front door. I'm not saying this was the case with the tow truck driver, though. --Jim Bob McKeithen wrote: >But, many of you are missing the point. If you have to dive for the >shoulder then you were following too closely and/or not paying attention. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Oct 27 23:01:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9S41kO7017238; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:01:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9S41k6K017230; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:01:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021027224811.009f2750@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:01:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: Hard Drive Needed Cc: adamme1@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200210280000.g9S001dO015617@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >At 11:36 AM 10/27/2002, Robert Curtis wrote: > >.... I remember my first "real" pc had a > >10meg HD... Hell my first computer had only 5.25" floppies for storage > >(Apple II). > >thanks Rob! I'll do that. Yeah, I remember building my first pc clone >with a 12mhz >clock speed *and* a daughter accelerator card that pumped that puppy all >the way up to 14mhz! Saved up and bought a $400 10mb hard card (remember >hard cards?) >and thought I was in hog heaven...hell I had 16mb of RAM! That was just >before Windoz >3.1 hit the street. You guys shouldn't post this crap right after I've had a depressingly big number birthday. Yeah. I still have a Plus Hardcard (20MB -- remember Plus?) sitting in an original IBM luggable in my garage. And I remember when 5.25 floppies came in both hard-sectored and soft-sectored varieties, single and double-sided. And when I got my first 8", single sided 160KB Shugart floppy (remember the giant Shugart?) with a wire-wrapped controller board, so I didn't have to load the General Automation from folded paper tape anymore, after toggling in the boot sequence (which I can still do in my sleep). And I still have my first numerical analysis program on pubch cards in some box or other (anyone got a punch card reader or a collater?) Hell, as a kid, my ham radio club's first computer used vacuum tubes, and occupied three full-height racks. No joke. Aki is right: for the most part, the old days sucked. But I could still fire up, connect, get my email, and get off before the average Windoze app can load now. For all the firepower in the box, apps just get bigger and bigger and s-l-o-w-e-r and s-l-o-w-e-r. As they say in the Dolly Parton Fan Club, there's nothing like a trip down mammary lane. Aki, if you still need it, I've got a new, sealed box WD 40GB you can have for $50, pu in Alexandria or Crystal City. 5400 rpm, I think. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 03:15:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9S8FWO7018330; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 03:15:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9S8FSms018320; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 03:15:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: "Adam Wah" Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gridlock TV Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 03:25:40 -0500 Message-ID: <32tprugtm1se300dos1542re8gf34est2h@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9S8FRO7018308 >All the eggs in one basket may not be as sound of a philosphy as it once you're messing up my plan... first we kill all the politicians... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 03:23:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9S8NrO7018471; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 03:23:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9S8NrAO018463; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 03:23:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gridlock TV Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 03:34:09 -0500 Message-ID: References: <3DB9558A.307B2362@patriot.net> <20021025151154.84520.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021025151154.84520.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9S8NqO7018451 >Yes, Mr. Jefferson we are grossly overdue for a revolution. "Good intention will always be pleaded for every assumption of power. . [T]he Constitution was made to guard people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." - Daniel Webster It's too bad the sniper coudln't pick off a few politicians. Obviously calling them hypocrite politicians would be redundant. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 03:53:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9S8rlO7018621; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 03:53:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9S8rkdb018616; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 03:53:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This week's ebay winner Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 04:04:02 -0500 Message-ID: References: <008201c27c95$616f2340$9865fea9@Godzilla> In-Reply-To: <008201c27c95$616f2340$9865fea9@Godzilla> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9S8rjO7018604 ROTFL And let's not forget "of all the bikes in my shop, this bike gets the most attention" = "He really tore this thing up badly" or "he keeps on wrecking it over and over" or both. >I personally love his spelling. "Gits" and "Diffewrently", and not to >mention the salvage title. Held together by paint it must. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 06:08:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SB87O7019553; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 06:08:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SB86cZ019543; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 06:08:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Jim Shoemaker , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cop killed Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:07:55 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3DBC9460.1060906@atlantech.net> In-Reply-To: <3DBC9460.1060906@atlantech.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210280607555N.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sunday 27 October 2002 20:35, Jim Shoemaker wrote: > Not necessarily. I had to use it a couple of > months ago, not because I couldn't stop in time, but because the guy behind > me was too busy yakking to realize that traffic had stopped. I pulled off > onto the shoulder and his front bumper stopped even with my front door. > I'm not saying this was the case with the tow truck driver, though. > Using logic and having been there, I suspect the tow truck driver was rubbernecking the shooting scene and didn't see traffic slowing in front of him. He would have been just as surprised had there been a stopped car on the shoulder. The Post said the accident happend at around Backlick Road which just locks in the particulars of the incident even more. > --Jim > > Bob McKeithen wrote: > >But, many of you are missing the point. If you have to dive for the > >shoulder then you were following too closely and/or not paying attention. Ahh, not _missing_ the point. Just justifying behavior. Even on the bike, I'll find that I'm closer than I like and back off or move over. I agree, it's wrong, but (and off to another justify session [see?]). Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 07:47:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SClkO7020015; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:47:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SCljQ8020005; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:47:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021028073823.00baaca0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:47:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: OT: Hard Drive Needed In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021027224811.009f2750@mail.9netave.com> References: <200210280000.g9S001dO015617@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:01 PM 10/27/2002, llarson@XXXXXX wrote: >>At 11:36 AM 10/27/2002, Robert Curtis wrote: >> >.... I remember my first "real" pc had a >> >10meg HD... Hell my first computer had only 5.25" floppies for storage >> >(Apple II). >> >>thanks Rob! I'll do that. Yeah, I remember building my first pc clone >>with a 12mhz >>clock speed *and* a daughter accelerator card that pumped that puppy all >>the way up to 14mhz! Saved up and bought a $400 10mb hard card (remember >>hard cards?) >>and thought I was in hog heaven...hell I had 16mb of RAM! That was just >>before Windoz >>3.1 hit the street. > >You guys shouldn't post this crap right after I've had a depressingly big >number birthday. > >Yeah. I still have a Plus Hardcard (20MB -- remember Plus?) sitting in an >original IBM luggable in my garage. > >And I remember when 5.25 floppies came in both hard-sectored and >soft-sectored varieties, single and double-sided. > >And when I got my first 8", single sided 160KB Shugart floppy (remember >the giant Shugart?) with a wire-wrapped controller board, so I didn't have >to load the General Automation from folded paper tape anymore, after >toggling in the boot sequence (which I can still do in my sleep). yup...773010 was the boot sequence for the PDP 11/35's. Get...get..that..sequence..out..of...my..head.... >And I still have my first numerical analysis program on pubch cards in >some box or other (anyone got a punch card reader or a collater?) used to make punch card Christmas wreaths...remember them? >Hell, as a kid, my ham radio club's first computer used vacuum tubes, and >occupied three full-height racks. No joke. When I first entered the service, (Navy), we used a *new" Bunker Ramo computer. It was *huge*, looked like the computer in War Games, took over 30 minutes to boot up from metal chad tape and was filled with vacuum hoses. And we thought that sucker was FAST. Our daughters Texas Instruments calculator would run circles around it today. >Aki is right: for the most part, the old days sucked. But I could still >fire up, connect, get my email, and get off before the average Windoze app >can load now. For all the firepower in the box, apps just get bigger and >bigger and s-l-o-w-e-r and s-l-o-w-e-r. Sheesh no kidding. MS Office takes more space to install than were available on the *entire* hard drives back then. >As they say in the Dolly Parton Fan Club, there's nothing like a trip down >mammary lane. yup..but *these* are the good old days my friend. I'd never want to go through dealing with Windows 3.1 again...and just think 20 years from now, we'll laugh at MS Windows...oh wait..we're already doing that.. ;-) >Aki, if you still need it, I've got a new, sealed box WD 40GB you can have >for $50, pu in Alexandria or Crystal City. 5400 rpm, I think. ..thanks Larry...this group is GREAT...Scott Russell has offered me his Maxtor 40GB drive for $50 and I have already accepted however if the deal falls through for any reason, can I take you up on your most generous offer? -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 08:02:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SD27O7020187; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:02:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SD27px020182; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:02:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021028074746.00ba56e0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:02:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: OT: Thanks to all - re: Hard Drive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I want to thank all of you for the generous offers that you sent me concerning my need for a larger capacity hard drive. Thanks to all of you, I'll be getting a 40GB Maxtor from Scott Russell later this week. I also want to thank those of you expressing concern in helping me find a position and any recommendations you have sent me. The job market is starting to get better but since I'm no longer a hard core engineer and opted to take the IT management route many years ago, it's taking time to secure a position that's looking for a manager with a technical background. From what I've seen, when the companies started laying off people, they let WAY too many people go, starting with the engineers and then eventually management. Now they're slowly rehiring...starting with the engineers. We're coming to the stage now where companies are now realizing that they have the engineers they need but not enough managers so they're slowly starting to hire managers but there's a lot of us out of work so the competition is keen and many HR departments are painfully clueless and slow. The "HR Black Hole" takes on a whole new meaning when you're out of work. The government has a lot of positions open but their application process is incredibly convoluted and involved and the selection process can take forever. It's no wonder there's so many positions open...they've made the process so mired in red tape, it's nearly impossible to complete. It's almost like they're discouraging anyone from applying. They need to streamline the process. And finally, there's a lot of contractor jobs open...*if* you have an active clearance. Well, DUH, if you have an active clearance, you already HAVE a job. Everyone with an active clearance just trades jobs like baseball cards. When the dust settles, the same people just shifted left. I had a TS SBI/SCI clearance in the Navy until 1990 but that doesn't count unless it's *active*. You just can't get there from here. Sometimes it's really frustrating. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 08:06:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SD6AO7020244; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:06:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SD69w4020235; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:06:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <40.2662fe94.2aee9035@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:05:57 EST Subject: Re: SV! Physics To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/25/2002 11:38:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > You need to ride bigger bikes. My 1300cc inline 4 EyeAbuser has enough tq > at 4000 rpm to bumpstart the earth. ;-) When a motorcycle accelerates in one direction the earth is accelerated in the opposite direction in a ratio determined by the mass (weight) of the motorcycle over the mass of the Earth. In other words, the Earth does move! (Of course it moves for a mo-ped too, or a pedestrian, squirrel, protozoa or anything else. Not that you could ever feel it or even measure it) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 08:07:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SD7VO7020276; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:07:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SD7Sm8020269; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:07:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <19a.ab43003.2aee9087@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:07:19 EST Subject: Re: SV! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/25/2002 11:46:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, dan@XXXXXX writes: > a > 1300cc V4 Been there done that. Honda ST1300. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 08:15:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SDF7O7020344; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:15:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SDF75P020336; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:15:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DBD399F.7E77B2AF@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:20:31 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV! Physics References: <40.2662fe94.2aee9035@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > When a motorcycle accelerates in one direction the earth is accelerated in > the opposite direction in a ratio determined by the mass (weight) of the > motorcycle over the mass of the Earth. > > In other words, the Earth does move! > > (Of course it moves for a mo-ped too, or a pedestrian, squirrel, protozoa or > anything else. Not that you could ever feel it or even measure it) > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Yipes! I'm having flashbacks to college dorm discussions that took place under the cloud of inebriation. Lemme guess, you spent the weekend in the company of mind expanding substances? Bill :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 08:48:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SDmoO7020569; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:48:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SDmnRk020559; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:48:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <106.1a8b2034.2aee9a34@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:48:36 EST Subject: Re: SV! Physics To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/28/2002 8:15:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Lemme guess, you spent the weekend in the company of > mind expanding substances? Long rides. Straight roads. Zen and the art of motorcycle riding. And I only share my "normal" thoughts. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 08:55:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SDtOO7020642; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:55:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SDtOSF020634; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:55:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:55:08 EST Subject: Re: SV! Physics To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/28/2002 8:41:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > Then how do we knwo it's true? Because the rules do not change. Action reaction is one of the basic rules of Physics, easy to measure at lower ratios and continues to be true as the ratio and masses become greater until our instruments cannot measure it anymore, but the rule is still there. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 09:31:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SEVhO7020892; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:31:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SEVhpw020888; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:31:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DBD4B96.A9C014E6@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:37:10 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV! Physics References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/28/2002 8:41:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, > motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > > > Then how do we knwo it's true? > > Because the rules do not change. Action reaction is one of the basic rules of > Physics, easy to measure at lower ratios and continues to be true as the > ratio and masses become greater until our instruments cannot measure it > anymore, but the rule is still there. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX To verify John's hypothesis, the East rail of a North/South train track wears out faster than the West rail - reason: The force of Earth's rotation on the train. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 09:40:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SEeoO7020970; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:40:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SEeonb020964; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:40:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021028144047.69765.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 06:40:47 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: SV! Physics To: "William J. Huson" , PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3DBD4B96.A9C014E6@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wouldn't that mean the west rail would get the most wear, since the earth is rotating toward the east? Confused Chris --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > To verify John's hypothesis, the East rail of a > North/South train track wears out > faster than the West rail - reason: The force of > Earth's rotation on the train. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 10:03:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SF3RO7021200; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:03:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SF3Qds021190; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:03:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DBD5305.1DFD5288@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:08:53 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Weaver CC: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV! Physics References: <20021028144047.69765.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pardon, I'm dyslexic :-) Chris Weaver wrote: > Wouldn't that mean the west rail would get the most > wear, since the earth is rotating toward the east? > > Confused Chris > > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > To verify John's hypothesis, the East rail of a > > North/South train track wears out > > faster than the West rail - reason: The force of > > Earth's rotation on the train. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 10:05:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SF5FO7021245; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:05:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SF5FRh021236; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:05:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZiX1iRuANIN8wSGP4rxpG4JMxkHEC5vxD6HkpW6oeks6xKqN80T5LWgTj0euSvojg= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: train Physics (no SV content) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:05:11 -0500 Message-ID: <00ee01c27e93$6a53e310$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20021028144047.69765.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal I'm confused, too. It can't be a strict Newton F=ma thing, since the trains are already accelerated to the tangential velocity of the earth's surface. Any acceleration a train does is already relative to the earth's surface. Of course, any acceleration by the train in any direction *does* create an opposite acceleration on the earth, but mass of the earth is too big for us to notice it. Now, what could be happening to the tracks is that on east-west train tracks, the trains going with the earth (so, ummm, it gets light in the east first, so east-bound trains) are lighter due to centripetal (and corresponding centrifugal) force. Or maybe some Coriolis (spelling?) effect strangeness...I might buy that, too. In any case, it seems that the overall effect would be overrun by things like prevailing winds, which I would expect to impart a much larger average assymetric loading on the tracks over time than any of the above. --jon (wearing a beany w/ propeller at this very moment) -----Original Message----- From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris_vtr@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:41 AM To: William J. Huson; PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV! Physics Wouldn't that mean the west rail would get the most wear, since the earth is rotating toward the east? Confused Chris --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > To verify John's hypothesis, the East rail of a > North/South train track wears out > faster than the West rail - reason: The force of > Earth's rotation on the train. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 10:30:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SFUmO7021393; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:30:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SFUmKc021385; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:30:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb09HBejyYARGjryLQ1z+es6JEdQJ0pgotIgOVrvSQehYqk6nOei4H7r1P/JKgDbF4= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: train Physics (no SV content) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:30:46 -0500 Message-ID: <00f101c27e96$fcc7c560$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <00ee01c27e93$6a53e310$070312ac@ddlomni.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Curiosity killed the engineer: Some quick math shows total change in centripetal force would be about 0.7% of weight assuming east/west trains, at the equator, at 75mph. see below to check my math and assumptions. --jon (I'm lazy and used 1000kg, even though I knew it would cancel out) (9.8 Nt is what one kg "weighs") force 29.1 Nt force 39.0 Nt "=m*v^2/r" mass 1000 kg mass 1000 kg velocity 431.6 m/sec velocity 499.2 m/sec radius 6400000 m radius 6400000 m vel surf = 465.4 m/sec 75mph = 33.8 m/sec -----Original Message----- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 11:57:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SGvRO7022118; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:57:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SGvQ7H022110; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:57:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:56:57 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: adamme1@XXXXXX, bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: Hard Drive Needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5A633D60.57233F01.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'd say it's time to slap a cd burner in that puppy and move the backup sets to there. Scooter (just my .02) In a message dated 10/27/2002 8:55:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > > > At 08:31 AM 10/27/2002, William J. Huson wrote: > >Good grief! You filled a 13 mb backup disk!!! My not-so-speedy machine has > >one drive, 8 mb, and I have more'n 6 mb left to overflow. Do tell, what kind > >of junk have you accumulated? Games? Neked babe pics? > > > >Bill > > > I assume you mean 13 "GB", not mb. ;-) > > It's the central backup drive for > three computers that are networked in our house. So it has three backup > savesets of three individual drives on it. > > It also is a backup bootable drive with Windows 98SE on it incase my > primary drive craps out > and it holds a ton of documents and photos from the digital camera and yes > software. > > -aki > > > > >Aki Damme wrote: > > > > > Keeping in mind that I'm *still* unemployed, does anyone have around a > > > ~30gb hard > > > drive to sell? I'm using a WD 7200rpm 13gb drive now as a secondary backup > > > drive and it's almost full. My daughters computer only has a 2gb drive and > > > it's almost > > > full as well so I figured I'd move my 13gb to her system and get a slightly > > > larger capacity > > > secondary drive for me. It doesn't have to be a 7200rpm drive, 5400 is > > > fine since it's only > > > a backup however it can't be a full size drive as it won't fit. > > > > > > If you do and you're willing to sell to me for *cheap*, please ping me > > > off-line. Maybe I even > > > have something you're willing to trade for it. One > thing I seem to have a > > > lot of is *stuff*... > > > except a 30gb drive that is. 8-P > > > > > > cheers, > > > -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 11:58:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SGwgO7022158; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:58:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SGwgnB022153; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:58:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021028115807.00b98d08@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:58:37 -0500 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: OT: Hard Drive Needed Cc: dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <5A633D60.57233F01.0C9D3659@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:56 AM 10/28/2002, you wrote: >I'd say it's time to slap a cd burner in that puppy and move the backup >sets to there. already have a 8X burner, but 600mb ain't nuff space. -aki >Scooter (just my .02) > >In a message dated 10/27/2002 8:55:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, >adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > At 08:31 AM 10/27/2002, William J. Huson wrote: > > >Good grief! You filled a 13 mb backup disk!!! My not-so-speedy > machine has > > >one drive, 8 mb, and I have more'n 6 mb left to overflow. Do tell, > what kind > > >of junk have you accumulated? Games? Neked babe pics? > > > > > >Bill > > > > > > I assume you mean 13 "GB", not mb. ;-) > > > > It's the central backup drive for > > three computers that are networked in our house. So it has three backup > > savesets of three individual drives on it. > > > > It also is a backup bootable drive with Windows 98SE on it incase my > > primary drive craps out > > and it holds a ton of documents and photos from the digital camera and yes > > software. > > > > -aki > > > > > > > > >Aki Damme wrote: > > > > > > > Keeping in mind that I'm *still* unemployed, does anyone have around a > > > > ~30gb hard > > > > drive to sell? I'm using a WD 7200rpm 13gb drive now as a > secondary backup > > > > drive and it's almost full. My daughters computer only has a 2gb > drive and > > > > it's almost > > > > full as well so I figured I'd move my 13gb to her system and get a > slightly > > > > larger capacity > > > > secondary drive for me. It doesn't have to be a 7200rpm drive, 5400 is > > > > fine since it's only > > > > a backup however it can't be a full size drive as it won't fit. > > > > > > > > If you do and you're willing to sell to me for *cheap*, please ping me > > > > off-line. Maybe I even > > > > have something you're willing to trade for it. One > > thing I seem to have a > > > > lot of is *stuff*... > > > > except a 30gb drive that is. 8-P > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 12:08:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SH8JO7022300; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:08:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SH8J4J022295; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:08:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DBD6E09.6BD0E527@carlparker.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:04:09 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Weekend trip n' wrench report... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saturday: Took Mystery Ship over to the 'rents garage cuz it was time to align the throttle valves to those magic-bypass holes. The choke has been giving me a problem for some time now and I was hoping this would fix it. Off to work, I had the carbs/airbox off in quite little time. So much of this maintenance stuff is practice and feeling comfortable working on stuff. It's almost like more practice equals more mechanic zenliness. It wasn't even hard to pull the rack/airbox out past the radiator fan basket. Once out, the throttle valve alignment was fairly easy to do but I once again found a bit of fuel in my airbox. Whats up with that? I checked the seals and everything seems to be on straight. I still think that one of the fuel lines is leaking between the 1-3 carbs...oh well. Then Guy, a 13 year old friend of the family stopped by to hang out while his mom was in Texas and we managed to get the rack and boots back on in less than 15 minutes....SWEET! Nice to have an extra pair of hands. I bet Vishnu could fix some bikes. Filled the bowls and fired her up. I'm always affraid that when I touch anything on a 20 year old bike that it will invariably lead to some sort of explosion or instant rusting. Sounds good! Sync didn't even sound too off and, best of all, no choke problems. But just to be sure I rode it around a bit, got the rpm's up and no problems. Idles great. I love my Magna...and now for the steering head.... Sunday: Just to be double sure, I met with a freind of mine on Sunday morning to swap a speedo cable, install grips, and use the carb sync-o-meter. He was in good spirits despite a recent get-off and is walking around right now like C3PO what with his arms in casts and slings and such. Despite his current physical dilemma he was still very forthcoming in giving assistance. Speedo cable worked like a charm. Grips were no sweat. Bike was pretty closely in sync after bench adjustment but off by a bit. A few slight turns of the sync-set screws (little bastards hide those stinking things away in a hot ass engine, I was expecting whirling finger chopping blades to come whizzing out of nowhere decapitating the flexible wrench) in a 2-4-3 sequence and all was inline. Took about 15 minutes I think and headed for the mountains at about 1PM. The ride out was nice, took 66w to Gainesville-29 in hopes of reaching 55w. Saw a line of cars backed up on the exit ramp. Okay, I'll take the next exit to get on 55. Got on 55 and had a pleasant romp through the country originally planning on only going to this place called "The Apple House" about 40 miles out to get a buffalo burger and turn around. I got there and just decided to keep riding west, Rt.55 can be a pretty nice road to ride and it runs parallel to 66 for most of it. Dump out on 55 into Front Royal and head towards the entrance of Skyline Drive/BRP. Cages...everywhere: a line 50 cars back. Sigh. Oh well, I guess this is to be expected late in the riding day during peak leaf season. Pull a U'y and head towards my usual backpacking romping grounds since I lost my map earlier that morning. (55w/678/619) Went down 619 and realized that it went down the eastern valley of the mountain and didn't get too exciting. Saw a sign for 673 and that seemed vaguley familiar so went there and eventually found 678 which took me through some sweet creek twisties and through George Washington National Forest which was nice and leafy. I stopped at a place where two streams joined into one and was chillin' out with all the little insectular and rodental dudes for a while. They always have much to say about things and, quite honestly, I learn alot from the reflective opportunity they offer me. I can't help but feeling sometimes that "fullness" is emptiness and "emptiness" is fullness. I don't even know if that makes any sense although I'm sure there's some relation. I mean I'd say that right now I've had "less" than I've ever had materially. I'm not rolling in the dough but I gotz a 20 year old bike that I love, cool family and friends, a great running 13 year old beater car that I bought for a grand and worked on myself, got no debt cuz' I paid off my cards (learned an important lesson: DON'T EVER LET ANYONE CONVINCE YOU ITS OKAY TO LIVE IN DEBIT), and just have this ability to go around and experience stuff. I can go to sleep at night and dream about crazy cool stuff and wake up and suddenly there's another totally different day which is like an inexhaustible playground for possibilities. I think I have come to believe myself to be in a relationship between time and creative potential as opposed to time and money. Of the two, the latter - while still important - is largely secondary and even sometimes tertiary to trying to understand life through qualitative spectacles rather than the quantitative microscope that has been so productive and fashionable throughout the course of western history. But I digress. Heading back from GWNF I hit 55E back and got mixed in with a buncha Harley riders for a while. That was a nifty experience. I could kinda see em' in the mirrors lookin' at me like "Who this dude?" From Front Royal/55 and as soon as I got to 29 and noticed the line of cars trying to get onto 66e so headed north on 29n, low and behold, more traffic. About 2 miles of duckwalk and idle coasting convinced me to take a road (Sudley) north to hit 15, to hit Gilberts Corner-Rt.50. Suffice it to say: Traffic, traffic, everywhere!!! We're talking about 20-30 miles out of town on a Sunday. Anyway to make a long story short I ended up treating myself at some hole-in-the wall bar-b-q joint. Bikes are great, leaves are pretty, water is cool and clear, all being is alive with change, and bar-b-q is mmmmmm-goood. Happy Trails, Carl Parker aka: "The Carl who is also Carl" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 12:18:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SHI7O7022592; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:18:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SHI62W022585; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:18:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:19:25 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Aki Damme cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: OT: Hard Drive Needed In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021028115807.00b98d08@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > already have a 8X burner, but 600mb ain't nuff space. > > -aki > Sure it is. I back up twin 80 gig drives onto CDR. The inital backup is a PITA but then you just do incimentals. Windows actually has a decent backup program depending on which version you are using. Backing up to a hard drive is a bad idea anyway. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 12:19:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SHJtO7022627; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:19:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SHJtDX022619; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:19:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006901c27ea6$4ac39dc0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" References: <00f101c27e96$fcc7c560$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Subject: Re: train Physics (non-moto rainy day trivia content) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:19:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:30 AM Subject: RE: train Physics (no SV content) > Curiosity killed the engineer: > > Some quick math shows total change in centripetal force would be about 0.7% > of weight assuming east/west trains, at the equator, at 75mph. > In other words, negligible with all the other forces at work: wind, grades, etc. It also requires tangent track following the equator. Speaking of tangent track. Here's a trivia question, which state has the longest segment of tangent (straight) track? You might be surprised at the answer. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 13:02:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SI24O7023097; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:02:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SI23G6023087; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:02:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dan Subject: Re: OT: Hard Drive Needed Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:01:52 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Cc: dc-cycles References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02102813015263.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 28 October 2002 12:19, dan wrote: > > already have a 8X burner, but 600mb ain't nuff space. > > > > -aki > > Sure it is. I back up twin 80 gig drives onto CDR. The inital backup is > a PITA but then you just do incimentals. Windows actually has a decent > backup program depending on which version you are using. Backing up to a > hard drive is a bad idea anyway. > I list what software I have installed (mostly games) and write the rest to CD. That list is well within the limits of the 700 meg CD-R. My music (1300+ .mp3 files) are written to CD-R (up to 7 now) mainly because I bring them to work and put them on my disk. xmms +random means WIWH is up and running. All music, all the time. I'll probably have one more disk once I get the various 70's mixes burned. Then I'll ship the CDs off to my daughter and reburn them organized. I also have a family album on my hard disk and occasionally burn it to CD. Still within the 700 meg limit though. > Dan Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 17:17:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SMH1O7024777; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:17:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SMH0Zl024767; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:17:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <162.1667da13.2aef1153@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:16:51 EST Subject: Re: Weekend trip n' wrench report... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/28/2002 12:07:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, carl@XXXXXX writes: > I once again found a bit of fuel in my airbox. This is not completely abnormal, there is always a little "bounce" when the high velocity incoming air charge slams into the closed intake valve. I have seen what looked like a mist coming _out_ of a carb on an unfiltered bike. It is one of the things that can make getting a proper mix on a race bike damn hard to do, the air comes in through the venturi collecting fuel, bounces back out through the venturi collecting more fuel, and is then pulled back in collecting fuel yet again. That is not to say your bike is completely normal, just that it most likely is in my experience. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 17:42:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SMgOO7025079; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:42:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9SMgNwi025069; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:42:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000301c27ed3$58403f80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Ride to Punkin Chunkin?? Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:23:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I'm thinking of riding out to the Punkin Chunkin World Championship in Delaware next Saturday. Any takers? www.punkinchunkin.com Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Oct 28 19:56:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9T0uQO7026470; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 19:56:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9T0uPCt026459; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 19:56:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DBDDE00.A2AAA1D2@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:01:52 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Ride to Punkin Chunkin?? References: <000301c27ed3$58403f80$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Been there, advice - don't park downrange. Every year some pocket-protector dude/dudette figiures out how to get another fifty or so yards out of the launch. Year I wuz there the winner chucked a pmkin cler out onto the highway, narrowly missing a state trooper who was directing traffic and showering a couple who had ditched theri truck in the median and were having a hair-pulling, ball kicking domestic squabble. What fun! Oh yeah, a sorry lack of facilities. Stake out a private tree early on. Bill Paul Wilson wrote: > I'm thinking of riding out to the Punkin Chunkin World Championship in > Delaware next Saturday. Any takers? www.punkinchunkin.com > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 09:16:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TEGcO7030707; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:16:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TEGMWx030697; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:16:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003201c27f55$cf507720$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <000301c27ed3$58403f80$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3DBDDE00.A2AAA1D2@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Ride to Punkin Chunkin?? Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:16:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" > Been there, advice - don't park downrange. Every year some > pocket-protector dude/dudette figiures out how to get another fifty or so > yards out of the launch. An article I read said the event has been moved to an airstrip, for this reason. Why anyone would want to be down range with twenty-pound vegetables being hurled in your direction is beyond me. They have yet to break the mile barrier, but several teams are in the hunt. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 09:33:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TEXFO7030824; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:33:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TEXFOZ030816; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:33:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021029143306.48791.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 06:33:06 -0800 (PST) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: VTR 1000 To: dc-cycles list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been wanting a V-twin bike for some time now. I currently ride a 93 GSXR 750. I just received a word from a buddy in South Carolina that I can get a 1997 VTR 1000 (Super Hawk 996) for a steal. Apparently this bike is in showroom condition with very low mileage. I just wanted to know if there was anyone on this list that could give me first hand opinion of riding one? Thanks in Advance, Nick Thompson __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 09:41:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TEfIO7030913; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:41:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TEfIEU030905; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:41:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DBE9F51.642C6F5D@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:46:42 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Ride to Punkin Chunkin?? References: <000301c27ed3$58403f80$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3DBDDE00.A2AAA1D2@patriot.net> <003201c27f55$cf507720$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > An article I read said the event has been moved to an airstrip, for this > reason. Why anyone would want to be down range with twenty-pound vegetables > being hurled in your direction is beyond me. > > They have yet to break the mile barrier, but several teams are in the hunt. > > Paul in DC I'm thinking the airstrip is the one right next to the original launch field. We parked in a sort of downrange field and joined the masses plodding across *nicely* mown grass to get to the launch site. I'm wondering who keeps that empty field so well tended when.... "RUN - RUN!" Peek over me shoulder and YIKES! A Monney was on it's final approach, pilot just realizing those dots on the grass were people!!! We're all kicking feet and hauling butt, ladies screaming, guys going Aw sheeiiit! The plane wonbbled unsteadily, then the pilot found the throttle and slammed it to the firewall. The Pumkin Chunkin', nebver a dull moment! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 09:49:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TEn1O7030967; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:49:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TEn0MU030957; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:49:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021029144858.66908.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 06:48:58 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: VTR 1000 To: Nicholas Thompson , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <20021029143306.48791.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nick, I own a '98 (the first year model here in the states). The VTR1000 is definitely a great bike for the money, particularly the earlier models, since there haven't been any significant changes since '98. Compared to your 750, the VTR will feel like a brute in terms of low-end power. It's very torquey, and does vibrate more than you'll be used to since it's a v-twin. Your GSXR probably handles better than the VTR unless some work has been done to the VTR, such as Race-Tech springs and gold valves and an aftermarket shock. The riding position is more upright than your bike also. An aftermarket exhaust or modification to the stock exhaust is a must, since the bike's wonderful sound is too muffled otherwise. You should be aware of a problem with VTR camchain tensioners. The VTR mailing list (go to www.runlevelzero.net) is replete with stories of failed camchain tensioners, with some causing engine damage. These don't generally fail until higher mileages (one of mine failed at about 28k), but it's worth swapping them out now for Honda's revised ones. It's not particularly difficult or costly if they're swapped out before they fail. Honda still doesn't see this as a warranty issue, however many owners are lobbying for them to admit this fault. Chris Weaver --- Nicholas Thompson wrote: > I have been wanting a V-twin bike for some time now. > > I currently ride a 93 GSXR 750. I just received a > word from a buddy in South Carolina that I can get a > 1997 VTR 1000 (Super Hawk 996) for a steal. > Apparently this bike is in showroom condition with > very low mileage. > I just wanted to know if there was anyone on this > list > that could give me first hand opinion of riding one? > > Thanks in Advance, > > Nick Thompson > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 10:04:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TF47O7031100; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:04:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TF47YU031090; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:04:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01b801c27f5c$c6b1e020$a52da8c0@LHS> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "Nicholas Thompson" , "D.C. Cycles" References: <20021029143306.48791.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: VTR 1000 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:06:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Nicholas, They didn't make the SuperHawk in '97. 1st made in '98. It is one of the best kept secrets out there. A really good bike for daily riding and playing, but not for long distance stuff due to the small tank. You can go about 100 miles confortably and then the fuel warning light comes on. It needs a little suspension work to make it a really good 'canyon carver'. It is typical sport bike postioning that can be a strain for some people, but if you are coming from a gixxer, I doubt that it would be a problem for you. It is a super fun torque monster that is easy to ride, easy to maintain and just a great bike. Now the good news. I have a '98 SuperHawk for sale that is a great bike with just under 6000 miles on it. It has completely new upgraded front suspension, and a new Penske 8900 series rear shock on it (both professionally done by Traxxion Dynamics). New BT 56SS tires, Heli bars, Two Brothers Carbon Fiber exhaust System (not just cans) it has been professionally jetted and tuned, Two Brothers Lower, and a new Sargents World sport seat. I am selling it because I just bought a new FZ1 for long distance sport touring in addition to the daily duties. This is a great bike and I wish I could keep it, but I can only afford one. I am selling it for $5500. If you are interested let me know. Regardless of whether you are interested in mine or not, if you have any questions or concerns, let me know and I'll try to answer them. The SuperHawk is really a great bike. ps. Nice last name... :) Danny (Thompson) '02 FZ1 '02 XR 250R '98 Superhawk (for sale) www.onewayracing.org CSBA #150 ...................................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Thompson" To: "dc-cycles list" Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:33 AM Subject: VTR 1000 > I have been wanting a V-twin bike for some time now. > I currently ride a 93 GSXR 750. I just received a > word from a buddy in South Carolina that I can get a > 1997 VTR 1000 (Super Hawk 996) for a steal. > Apparently this bike is in showroom condition with > very low mileage. > I just wanted to know if there was anyone on this list > that could give me first hand opinion of riding one? > > Thanks in Advance, > > Nick Thompson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 10:59:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TFxsO7031966; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:59:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TFxrjJ031956; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:59:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021029105757.0204bb38@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:59:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Ride to Punkin Chunkin?? In-Reply-To: <000301c27ed3$58403f80$bb82fea9@palladio1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Closer to home - COX farm is 'recycling' used pumpkins in a variety of nasty ways. Trebuche, high drop, squisher, etc. No website that I know of. Picked up a flyer with our pumpkin. Same weekend. $6 or $9 each and a complementary pumpkin to destroy. COX farm is out Braddock road past Centreville. Great place for kids in October. At 05:23 PM 10/28/2002, you wrote: >I'm thinking of riding out to the Punkin Chunkin World Championship in >Delaware next Saturday. Any takers? www.punkinchunkin.com ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 11:16:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TGGcO7032103; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:16:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TGGcNm032093; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:16:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DBEBFE9.5080405@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:05:45 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VTR 1000 References: <20021029143306.48791.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Europe got VTR's in '97. I own a bone stock '98 VTR and love it. It's very strong, and in some ways it's what VFR's shoulda become (no flames please, I love VFR's. But they should be 1000cc's and lighter). If you ride hard and/or do track days you'll want the usual upgrades, fork work, rear shock, high pipes (jardine, remus, etc.). If you don't ride hard you'll be able to live with it for a while. I'd get new tires, Metz Sportec, or bridgestone 010 - maybe 020. There is alot you can to "trick" the bike out, but in stock form I still get compliments. It's not flawless, but no bike is. As mentioned before, the automatic cam chain tensioners could be a problem. I had bad ones, and I'll be ordering manual adjusters very soon. I was also able to fry the Regulator/Rectifier this summer, but I commute and traffic was bad. I'll be installing a PC/CPU fan to cool it. Depending on your size commuting/long rides are easy to do. Sargent seats (a list choice over corbin) and Gen-Mar bar risers could help. It's tank is small (4.2, includeing res!). If you've got $400+, there's a dealer in Canada that can get the newer 5gal tanks that are sold in europe (they get everthing, they had a choice of 4-6 colurs at one point). As mentioned before checkout www.runlevelzero.net and sign up on the mail list. I think you'll enjoy it alot, it may not have the top end openroad "feel", but it'll have exit corner "feel" you won't believe. Have Fun, Tom de '98 VTR - who may never own a i4 again. Nicholas Thompson wrote: >I have been wanting a V-twin bike for some time now. >I currently ride a 93 GSXR 750. I just received a >word from a buddy in South Carolina that I can get a >1997 VTR 1000 (Super Hawk 996) for a steal. >Apparently this bike is in showroom condition with >very low mileage. >I just wanted to know if there was anyone on this list >that could give me first hand opinion of riding one? > >Thanks in Advance, > >Nick Thompson > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now >http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 11:30:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TGUQO7032263; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:30:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TGUQ8e032256; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:30:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <39.2f4367b9.2af01196@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:30:14 EST Subject: Re: Ride to Punkin Chunkin?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/29/2002 9:41:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > The plane wonbbled unsteadily, then the > pilot found the throttle and slammed it to the firewall. Hee Hee! PUMPKIN BOMBERS! Seeing who can take out the most launchers. The pumpkins fight back! Coming soon to an airfield near you! Damn I was just thinking I would like to see the pumpkin chunking someday, but I will be busy that weekend. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 11:34:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TGY0O7032328; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:34:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TGXxcU032315; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:33:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:32:29 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: Allen Caldwell , biglj@XXXXXX, catherine.ctr.austin@XXXXXX, claudecaldwell@XXXXXX, contact@XXXXXX, cwu@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Richard & Clara Caldwell , demayo25@XXXXXX, DR650@XXXXXX, esande@XXXXXX, Gtooss@XXXXXX, jendavw@XXXXXX, KBNEAL1776@XXXXXX, kloggr@XXXXXX, luchy-86@XXXXXX, mackatsea@XXXXXX, mike_h@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX, prenauld@XXXXXX, sales@XXXXXX, spencerar@XXXXXX, srichards@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX, WSDYMF@XXXXXX Subject: tour update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Presidio Texas to Acapulco Mexico http://www.twowheelsgood.net/twowheelsgood/americas/americas.html If you wish to contact me please respond directly to this email or use one of the links on my website. Thanks, Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net Proudly sponsored by Loudoun Motorsports http://www.loudounmotorsports.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 11:46:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TGkCO7032431; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:46:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TGkC33032421; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:46:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021029164604.3729.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:46:04 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Ride to Punkin Chunkin?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.5.0.20021029105757.0204bb38@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii seems such a waste. All that good pumpin pie, roasted seeds... Plus baked pumpkin makes good eating, too. I went by on Sat evening and the LEO's were out in full force at COX. Crowd control I guess. ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 11:51:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TGpcO7032496; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:51:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TGpcMG032486; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:51:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021029115055.01db77b8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:51:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Ride to Punkin Chunkin?? In-Reply-To: <20021029164604.3729.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.5.0.20021029105757.0204bb38@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:46 AM 10/29/2002, matthew patton wrote: >seems such a waste. All that good pumpin pie, roasted seeds... Plus >baked pumpkin makes good eating, too. I went by on Sat evening and the >LEO's were out in full force at COX. Crowd control I guess. ..speaking of..has anyone tried that pumpkin beer that's out? Saw Costco selling it but you had buy a whole case of the stuff. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 12:16:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9THGYO7032697; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:16:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9THGXOV032689; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:16:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021029171631.64898.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:16:31 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Ride to Punkin Chunkin?? To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021029115055.01db77b8@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Post Road? Its OK, nothing seems to match up to one Dominion had a few years ago and now isn't made anymore. Called "Honey Pumpkin Ale" just like liquid Pumpkin Pie. Glenn --- Aki Damme wrote: > ..speaking of..has anyone tried that pumpkin beer > that's out? Saw Costco > selling it but you had buy a whole case of the > stuff. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 12:19:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9THJjO7032740; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:19:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9THJisO032730; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:19:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: parking in DC question.. also, any good m/c stuff to get in London, England? Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:19:36 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664091FF@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Ride to Punkin Chunkin?? Thread-Index: AcJ/atbtua2+o9l/TQ+RGEqFshOz5gAAEfNA From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9THJhO7032718 When a motorcycle gets ticketed for a parking violation, where do they stick the ticket? I tend to cover my bike and chain the back wheel. Will parking enforcement officials take the cover off and stick the ticket somewhere near the speedo? I'm just curious as to what happens, as I expect to get some of these tickets. This is because I work on Capitol Hill and if I feel like it, I ride my bike to work. Surprisingly, the most economical option for parking in this area is to park in 2 hour parking spots all day, taking your chances with the parking enforcement. This is because the cheapest parking is $5/day at a far away lot, but a ticket is a mere $20. One can expect to be ticketed about 1-3/month max. ------------------ My second question is in regards to any interesting merchandise that would be available in London, but not here, or available at a nice discount. (example: Souomy and OGK helmets) Are there any nice perfomance parts that would make it my worthwhile to stop by a m/c shop on that side of them pond? I will leave for London in about 2 weeks and I will stay there for 2 weeks+, unless the weather stinks, in which case I will probably head south to Paris for a while. Any other suggestions or recommendations would be very appreciated as well... Witold www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 12:24:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9THOGO7000335; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:24:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9THOGQN000325; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:24:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021029172413.35033.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:24:13 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: SPAM: VTR Goodies FS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm selling my VTR and I'm going to sell a few parts separately. The deal hasn't been completed yet, but I wanted to let folks know what I'll have available after it's done. (hopefully in one or two weeks) This stuff will go up for sale on the VTR list if it doesn't get sold here. All items are "or best offer." Sargent Seat - red piping on front, red "solo seat" in back. Basic leather-look material. These retail now for $310, but I'll ask for $155 since it's probably got about 8k miles on it. http://www.sargentcycle.com/HOWSVTR1.htm Gen-Mar bar risers - probably slightly scuffed, but they do the job. I don't have the little brake line attachment block, but it's not a necessary item. Retail is $110, I'll ask $55. http://www.zianet.com/genmar/h116.html LP tank bra - black, fits perfectly. I think these retail for about $45. How about $20? I have a spare parts engine too that is collecting dust. Make an offer. I might have one or two other things for the bike but I'll have to sort through my basement to check. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 12:27:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9THRFO7000386; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:27:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9THRF5A000378; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:27:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021029172712.90767.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:27:12 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: parking in DC question.. also, any good m/c stuff to get in London, England? To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664091FF@rnc1.rnchq.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You take you chances, but my guess would be that would not bother with your bike. I have had parking people tell me that its ok to park between meters, etc. They seem to care a bit less about bikes. Now, don't park in a lane that becomes no parking during rush hour as all bets are off then. As for London, no idea. Remember, if you spend a decent amount, you can get the VAT back at the airport. This is >10% so its not a little bit. Check with the merchant on that. Also, Paris is hardly south of London, at least not by much. --- Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > > When a motorcycle gets ticketed for a parking > violation, where do they stick the ticket? I tend > to cover my bike and chain the back wheel. Will > parking enforcement officials take the cover off and > stick the ticket somewhere near the speedo? I'm > just curious as to what happens, as I expect to get > some of these tickets. > > This is because I work on Capitol Hill and if I feel > like it, I ride my bike to work. Surprisingly, the > most economical option for parking in this area is > to park in 2 hour parking spots all day, taking your > chances with the parking enforcement. This is > because the cheapest parking is $5/day at a far away > lot, but a ticket is a mere $20. One can expect to > be ticketed about 1-3/month max. > > ------------------ > My second question is in regards to any interesting > merchandise that would be available in London, but > not here, or available at a nice discount. > (example: Souomy and OGK helmets) Are there any nice > perfomance parts that would make it my worthwhile to > stop by a m/c shop on that side of them pond? I > will leave for London in about 2 weeks and I will > stay there for 2 weeks+, unless the weather stinks, > in which case I will probably head south to Paris > for a while. > > Any other suggestions or recommendations would be > very appreciated as well... > > Witold > www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 12:35:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9THZbO7000461; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:35:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9THZaSr000451; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:35:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a601c27f71$a5220f60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" , References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664091FF@rnc1.rnchq.org> Subject: Re: parking in DC question.. also, any good m/c stuff to get in London, England? Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:35:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Witold, The Alexandria ticket trolls have no trouble sticking a ticket between my tank and seat. As for Capitol Hill, just don't park on my block; I'll have the parking goons swoop down on you. :) Actually, bikes are welcome. Just don't park behind SUVs if you can avoid it, ask me how I know.*** :_( My experience is they're disinclined to bother the covers. Mine sits on the street a lot, covered. It could have no license plate on it, for all they know. They do home in on VA, MD and out of state plates with a laser-like intensity, so I would use the cover. Be careful of the alternate side street cleaning days too. ***For those following the saga of my Mini-ceptor, the "failure to look before backing" dope's insurance company wants to write it off as a total loss. So, I'll buy it back for salvage value and walk away with cash. Paul in Capitol Hill, DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" > When a motorcycle gets ticketed for a parking violation, where do they stick the ticket? I tend to cover my bike and chain the back wheel. Will parking enforcement officials take the cover off and stick the ticket somewhere near the speedo? I'm just curious as to what happens, as I expect to get some of these tickets. > > This is because I work on Capitol Hill and if I feel like it, I ride my bike to work. Surprisingly, the most economical option for parking in this area is to park in 2 hour parking spots all day, taking your chances with the parking enforcement. This is because the cheapest parking is $5/day at a far away lot, but a ticket is a mere $20. One can expect to be ticketed about 1-3/month max. > > ------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 12:38:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9THcTO7000506; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:38:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9THcTLC000496; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:38:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" , Subject: Re: parking in DC question.. also, any good m/c stuff to get in London, England? Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:38:05 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664091FF@rnc1.rnchq.org> In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664091FF@rnc1.rnchq.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210291238056M.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Have you checked to see if there are bike meters near where you're going? They're 4 hour parking and many times the others who park there will drop a quarter in if it's expired (well, I do it and have had it done for me). Then you only need to go to the meters twice. The nice thing is that the bike meters don't have to move after the first four hours. I got a parking ticket last year and they tucked it between the seat and tank. I don't know what they'd do for a covered bike. I think my ticket was for $15 in the bike meters. They're also pretty regular. They start at the bike lots over by FOB 10(? I forget now) and hit the spot where I park on 4th at about 9:30 or so and 12:00 or so. Carl On Tuesday 29 October 2002 12:19, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > When a motorcycle gets ticketed for a parking violation, where do they > stick the ticket? I tend to cover my bike and chain the back wheel. Will > parking enforcement officials take the cover off and stick the ticket > somewhere near the speedo? I'm just curious as to what happens, as I > expect to get some of these tickets. > > This is because I work on Capitol Hill and if I feel like it, I ride my > bike to work. Surprisingly, the most economical option for parking in this > area is to park in 2 hour parking spots all day, taking your chances with > the parking enforcement. This is because the cheapest parking is $5/day at > a far away lot, but a ticket is a mere $20. One can expect to be ticketed > about 1-3/month max. > -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 13:01:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TI1DO7000666; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:01:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TI1CVR000658; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:01:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:01:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200210291301.AA279183930@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Cox pumpkin madness [was: Re: Ride to Punkin Chunkin?? X-Mailer: http://www.coxfarms.com/pumpkinmadness.htm Choose the fate of your own pumpkin from: Pumpkin catapult Pumpkin shredder Pumpkin drop Pumpkin crusher Pumpkin throw what, no Trebuchet?! Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:59:53 -0500 >Closer to home - COX farm is 'recycling' used pumpkins in a variety of >nasty ways. Trebuche, high drop, squisher, etc. No website that I know >of. Picked up a flyer with our pumpkin. Same weekend. $6 or $9 each and >a complementary pumpkin to destroy. > >COX farm is out Braddock road past Centreville. Great place for kids in >October. > >At 05:23 PM 10/28/2002, you wrote: >>I'm thinking of riding out to the Punkin Chunkin World Championship in >>Delaware next Saturday. Any takers? www.punkinchunkin.com > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 13:12:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TICcO7000764; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:12:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TICb4m000754; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:12:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DBECF2E.E7CAC499@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:10:54 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride to Punkin Chunkin?? References: <39.2f4367b9.2af01196@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 10/29/2002 9:41:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > The plane wonbbled unsteadily, then the > > pilot found the throttle and slammed it to the firewall. > > Hee Hee! PUMPKIN BOMBERS! Seeing who can take out the most launchers. > > The pumpkins fight back! Coming soon to an airfield near you! > > Damn I was just thinking I would like to see the pumpkin chunking someday, > but I will be busy that weekend. I just recently read a story about a couple skydivers that took a jack-o-lantern on a skydive. Unfortunately they were unable to gain control of the pumpkin when it was time to deploy their parachutes. the pumpkin smashed into a house, through the roof, and there was a 'substantial' ammount of pumpkin spread about several rooms, on the drywall, carpet, ect. I'll see if I can find a link to the story... Blue skies! Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 13:20:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TIKqO7000846; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:20:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TIKoQ4000836; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:20:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DBED11C.8AF4758C@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:19:08 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride to Punkin Chunkin?? References: <39.2f4367b9.2af01196@aol.com> <3DBECF2E.E7CAC499@tasam.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Skip Smith wrote: > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > In a message dated 10/29/2002 9:41:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > The plane wonbbled unsteadily, then the > > > pilot found the throttle and slammed it to the firewall. > > > > Hee Hee! PUMPKIN BOMBERS! Seeing who can take out the most launchers. > > > > The pumpkins fight back! Coming soon to an airfield near you! > > > > Damn I was just thinking I would like to see the pumpkin chunking someday, > > but I will be busy that weekend. > > I just recently read a story about a couple skydivers that took a > jack-o-lantern on a skydive. Unfortunately they were unable to gain > control of the pumpkin when it was time to deploy their parachutes. the > pumpkin smashed into a house, through the roof, and there was a > 'substantial' ammount of pumpkin spread about several rooms, on the > drywall, carpet, ect. > > I'll see if I can find a link to the story... here's the story... BUTTER FINGERS: In 1987, Al McInturoff, D-1955, made it onto three network newscasts, Associated Press and Paul Harvey's show after he dropped a pumpkin during the opening of his main parachute. McInturoff made a midnight jump on Halloween somewhere in the Chicago area with Brian Voss, D-10505. from 8500 feet. Voss initially had the jack-o-lantern. A pass was made to McInturoff, who tracked upwind. During deployment McInturoff lost his grip on the pumpkin. It fell onto an unoccupied house and penetrated the roof and ceiling. Pumpkin mush and plasterboard were spattered in every direction. Total damages were $2400. McInturoff, a physicist, calculated that the pumpkin moved 600 ft horizontally, took 27 sec. to reach the ground and had a terminal speed of 52 mph and commented "I'm 50 years old, old enough to know better". http://ParachuteHistory.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 14:45:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TJjvO7001532; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:45:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TJjtZ2001522; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:45:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021029194553.87457.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:45:53 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Virginia Sales Tax Hike To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, its pretty boring here today so let discuss the upcoming proposal to increase the sales tax in VA to fund roads. I will vote no for the following reasons (my last election I will vote in Virginia): 1. More roads only lead to more congestion (see Marc Fisher article below). Build more roads and people just build more homes away from mass-transport. 2. Money should go to mass transport, not roads. 3. Sales tax is unfair. It does not target the users of roads very effectively. A higher gas tax would be much better in that department. Discuss! 'No' on Road Tax Would Go Furthest To Ease Gridlock By Marc Fisher Tuesday, October 29, 2002; Page B01 Northern Virginians have a chance next week to speak for the entire Washington region and take a stand against sprawl, against lives spent in maddening stop-and-go traffic, against faraway lawmakers who take our tax dollars and ignore our problems. The choice is Yes or No on the proposal to raise the sales tax by half of a penny per dollar to pay for wider roads, new roads and expanded rail and bus transit. But which vote will actually make things better, Yes or No? Both sides in the debate make it sound easy, but with five transportation and land-use experts I've consulted, I've found two Yeses, two Nos and a Maybe. "If the only way to get more money for transit is to spend half the money on roads, which will exacerbate the sprawl and congestion, then we don't really have much of a choice," says Michael Replogle, a civil engineer and former transportation planner in Montgomery County. "The region needs more money for transportation, but regions that invest more in road capacity actually have worse congestion. But the defeat of the sales tax referendum may be taken as the wrong message about what the region needs." That's a lot of buts. Ideology offers no help: Democrats and Republicans alike realize that party provides no good answers on this. Where does that leave us? Both the Yes and No campaigns urge voters to examine who is supporting their efforts. The Yes side points to a coalition of local governments, business leaders and frustrated commuters who believe that their trip to work would be eased by building extra lanes. The No side consists of environmentalists, anti-tax conservatives and frustrated commuters who believe that only Metro-oriented, close-in development can stem the march of sprawl and ease paralysis on the roads. For me, the most telling difference between the two sides is this fact: More than half of the money that is pouring into the Yes campaign comes from real estate and construction businesses -- developers, home builders and all the various other interests that profit from sprawl. Proponents of the tax say they have no intention of spreading development farther out into the countryside, no plans for an outer Beltway or new Potomac crossings. But the map of proposed projects and the pattern of cash cascading into the coffers of the Yes campaign tell a different and disturbing story, lending credence to what Stewart Schwartz of the Coalition for Smarter Growth says: "What we see in this plan is an open-ended, permanent stream of income for outer county highway building to fuel the next generation of speculative development." Sprawl costs everyone buckets of money and too much precious time. For every new house built in Prince William County, the government pays an average of nearly $2,000 more in services than it receives in taxes. Conversely, every family that decides to live within a mile of a Metro station contributes to easing congestion on the roads. Contrary to the claims of some developers, there's plenty of unused space close by Metro stations -- not only in Prince George's County and the District, but even in Fairfax County, near the Vienna Metro, for example. "Our growth is really not focused enough around where we have the capacity," says Ronald Kirby, transportation planner for the Council of Governments. Why spend billions to create new places for growth before we've efficiently used the areas where we've already built infrastructure? Many people see the Yes-No decision as a choice between lifestyles and goals: Some people relish living in close-in, densely populated areas where they can walk or take the train to work and enjoy vibrant communities. Others crave the solitude and privacy of owning a chunk of land well away from the rest of us. But voting No doesn't mean giving up your dream of a half-acre at the edge of farm country. The huge popularity of Arlington and Alexandria, as well as the District's comeback, show that plenty of people are eager to pay good money to live less car-oriented lives. By voting No, you don't have to live like them; you only have to recognize that letting more people make that choice will ease congestion and slow the march of sprawl for everyone. ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 15:06:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TK6cO7001691; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:06:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TK6cDQ001681; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:06:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:06:30 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20021029194553.87457.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021029194553.87457.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210291506306T.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit One of the news bites was that of each dollar sent to Richmond in sales taxes, only .46 comes back to Northern VA. I can't see how adding an additional half penny would benefit NOVA. Carl On Tuesday 29 October 2002 14:45, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Ok, its pretty boring here today so let discuss the > upcoming proposal to increase the sales tax in VA to > fund roads. > > I will vote no for the following reasons (my last > election I will vote in Virginia): > > 1. More roads only lead to more congestion (see Marc > Fisher article below). Build more roads and people > just build more homes away from mass-transport. > 2. Money should go to mass transport, not roads. > 3. Sales tax is unfair. It does not target the users > of roads very effectively. A higher gas tax would be > much better in that department. > > Discuss! > > 'No' on Road Tax Would Go Furthest To Ease Gridlock > -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 15:09:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TK9sO7001735; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:09:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TK9sZE001725; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:09:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 29 Oct 2002 20:10:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20021029201043.17188.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Virginia Sales Tax Hike X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) JUST when you thought you were safe from OT posts... Kitchell hits us with: Ok, its pretty boring here today so let discuss the upcoming proposal to increase the sales tax in VA to fund roads. I will vote no for the following reasons (my last election I will vote in Virginia): [Dave] aren't you currently residing in DC, for some time now ? 1. More roads only lead to more congestion (see Marc Fisher article below). Build more roads and people just build more homes away from mass-transport. 2. Money should go to mass transport, not roads. 3. Sales tax is unfair. It does not target the users of roads very effectively. A higher gas tax would be much better in that department. [Dave] For a second, given Mark's stated stance, I thought I was going to have to change my position. But, our reasons are quite different. No. No more money for the Commonwealth. No more money for Fairfax, PW, Loudon - None of 'em. 1: When citizens run out of liquid cash, we better budget ourselves, government should do likewise. 2: future GA sessions / Governor actions can raid the 'alleged' transportation fund just like they did last year. 3: given the way money has been spent to date, I don't think that extra money will be wisely and efficiently spent. VA's track record to date isn't exactly pristine. 4: While a sales tax may be 'unfair' in that it targets the incorrect demographic, a gas tax is just as unfair, as it will affect the poor & middle class more. For those, like me, that oppose the oppressive Commonwealth, how about some alternate suggestions... FWIW, despite disagreeing with Governor Warner's support, I commend him for telling the state agencies to expect to get smaller... Let's hope the GA goes along.... save some money, -go from 2 license plates to just one -eliminate the county sticker requirement (yeah, that's another issue, but it would help to get rid of the whole monolith that supports it) -No more Crown vics or Camaros for police - replace with Ford Focus & the like. -No more HD for police, replace with H*ndas -sell above mentioned used cruisers & bikes. -undo silly 'car tax' reimbursement ponzi scheme, tell counties they have 2 years to figure out another way -Wilder did a pretty good job identifying excess fat, how about having him dig deeper? Wonder how long this one will rage on ;-) Dave Discuss! 'No' on Road Tax Would Go Furthest To Ease Gridlock By Marc Fisher ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 15:11:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TKBdO7001800; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:11:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TKBdkq001793; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:11:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021029201137.44968.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:11:37 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021029194553.87457.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sprawl is good. I hate the city. remote offices are even better. HOV lanes need to go further afield(blatent MC bias). Since when does ANY gov't bother to allocate the money they say they will to projects as intended? VA just wants to hike the tax and get those millions into their budget, roads be damned. Four years from now it'll be another 1/2 point because we still don't have enough money. I agree that gas taxes would help put the onus on those it ought to be on in the first place. And that it's not, just about proves the issue isn't roads at all but just a means to grab more of my damn money. With Clinton it was "save the children" now it's "save the roads." Spare me. If VA wants to do something useful leave the roads alone, run the orange line and red lines out further, and build multi-story parking complexes at the ride share's to hold more than a laughing stock number of vehicles. I find it telling that people are WILLING to sit in 395 traffic each and EVERY day, hour after countless hour when alternatives exist (if they can find a parking spot). Clearly, much to the chagrin of those who are bitching and moaning to no end, the problem isn't big enough in most people's minds that they really care. And if the developers want to develop far-flung property, make it a condition of their charter that they sink whatever zillions into the county pot for road access. The builder won't care, the cost will just come back to the home-buyer. And I'm sure we won't have a shortage of those willing to pay, either. I think it's simply time to blow up DC and scatter it all over a few hundred mile radius (in the ocean wouldn't hurt) and get rid of this notion of face time in the office. But we're not socially ready for that apparently. ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 15:21:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TKLUO7001896; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:21:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TKLRkH001881; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:21:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021029151426.0218de48@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:21:25 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike In-Reply-To: <0210291506306T.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: <20021029194553.87457.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> <20021029194553.87457.qmail@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:06 PM 10/29/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: >On Tuesday 29 October 2002 14:45, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Ok, its pretty boring here today so let discuss the > > upcoming proposal to increase the sales tax in VA to > > fund roads. I'd rather bitch about real estate taxes. Prince William and Fairfax have gone to a real-market tax scheme which means whatever my house may be worth in today's market is what they base my taxes on. I just got hit with an additional $600 bill for escrow and a bump in monthly payments. Several hundred a month to the county. And rising. I'm voting against Mr. Warner's 1/2 cent increase. He honestly believes the money will all go to the local roads - the problem being that once taxes are in place, they rarely go away. Gilmore did overextend during his term, but VA Gov't is grossly bloated and needs a big diet. This happened over years and years. I'd guess a third of the existing staff needs to be cut, along with 1000 pet programs. And the car tax. GO ahead and finish it off, and quit reimbursing the counties for their lost car tax income. That seems to be what is killing the VA budget. And VDOT - if you are listening - quit pouring and brushing gravel on my local dirt roads 1/4 mile long. Pave them. You gravel them every two months. At that rate, you could have paved them and saved money over the course of the year. Waste..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 15:23:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TKNhO7001932; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:23:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TKNgNO001924; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:23:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021029152156.02190ce0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:23:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike In-Reply-To: <20021029201137.44968.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021029194553.87457.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:11 PM 10/29/2002, matthew patton wrote: >Since when does ANY >gov't bother to allocate the money they say they will to projects as >intended? VA just wants to hike the tax and get those millions into >their budget, roads be damned. FWIW - Warner was on WTOP this am. The tax will work like the county .015 tax. By law it can't co-mingle with general budget funds according to him. Unfortunately, that probably won't stop it from happening. On a side note, I wonder how much of VA's VDOT money winds up in mob hands? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 15:23:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TKNnO7001961; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:23:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TKNnE4001956; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:23:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <0A5C43B71EC8EE4F8393BCADE546841A780B48@vie-its-exs02> From: "Keiser, Rudy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Virginia Sales Tax Hike Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:26:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >sdave@XXXXXX writes: >tell counties they have 2 years to figure out another way I don't believe the counties in Virginia have the authority to impose any taxes other than personal property and real estate. It's not like in MD where the counties get to tack a percentage on top of the state income tax. I hope you aren't saying that they should push the real estate property taxes higher. Rudy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 15:26:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TKQDO7002008; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:26:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TKQC9b001998; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:26:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002b01c27f89$7cd55cc0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , Cc: "Mark Kitchell" References: <20021029201043.17188.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:26:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 A lot of it goes back to the bad old days of the Harry Flood Byrd Machine, it turns out. They wrested control of roads from the counties back in the 1930s, in the interest of controlling the patronage and jobs generated by the highway program. That's how the scheme of *all* highway taxes flowing to Richmond and some of it trickling back got started. One of the arguments for a "yes" vote is that it returns some modicum of local control to Virginia's cockamamie transportation funding system. Did you ever wonder why every cul-de-sac and muddy dirt road is maintained by the state? That's why. Personally, I would vote no, as well, for many of the reasons Mark cited and for the big reason Dave cited. State and local government in Virginia has a very poor record when it comes to being stewards of transportation dollars and making wise development decisions. And, a tax hike means even less reason to shop in Virginia. You'll have the same tax rate as MD and only 0.75% lower than the District Paul in DC < > JUST when you thought you were safe from OT posts... > Kitchell hits us with: > > Ok, its pretty boring here today so let discuss the > upcoming proposal to increase the sales tax in VA to > fund roads. > > I will vote no for the following reasons (my last > election I will vote in Virginia): > > [Dave] aren't you currently residing in DC, for some time now ? > > > 1. More roads only lead to more congestion (see Marc > Fisher article below). Build more roads and people > just build more homes away from mass-transport. > 2. Money should go to mass transport, not roads. > 3. Sales tax is unfair. It does not target the users > of roads very effectively. A higher gas tax would be > much better in that department. > > [Dave] For a second, given Mark's stated stance, I thought I was going to have to change my position. But, our reasons are quite different. > > No. No more money for the Commonwealth. No more money for Fairfax, PW, Loudon - None of 'em. > 1: When citizens run out of liquid cash, we better budget ourselves, government should do likewise. > 2: future GA sessions / Governor actions can raid the 'alleged' transportation fund just like they did last year. > 3: given the way money has been spent to date, I don't think that extra money will be wisely and efficiently spent. VA's track record to date isn't exactly pristine. ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 15:28:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TKSWO7002061; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:28:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TKSWcH002051; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:28:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021029202830.39927.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:28:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Virginia Sales Tax Hike To: sdave@XXXXXX, DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20021029201043.17188.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am not sure how roads are off-topic to motorcycles. Dave, do you just sit on your shiny one in the garage and go 'vroom vroom'??? PS: Don't worry about where I vote, ok? I will be dis-enfranchised soon enough! --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > JUST when you thought you were safe from OT posts... > Kitchell hits us with: > > Ok, its pretty boring here today so let discuss the > upcoming proposal to increase the sales tax in VA to > fund roads. > > I will vote no for the following reasons (my last > election I will vote in Virginia): > > [Dave] aren't you currently residing in > DC, for some time now ? > > > 1. More roads only lead to more congestion (see Marc > Fisher article below). Build more roads and people > just build more homes away from mass-transport. > 2. Money should go to mass transport, not roads. > 3. Sales tax is unfair. It does not target the > users > of roads very effectively. A higher gas tax would > be > much better in that department. > > [Dave] For a second, given Mark's stated stance, I > thought I was going to have to change my position. > But, our reasons are quite different. > > No. No more money for the Commonwealth. No more > money for Fairfax, PW, Loudon - None of 'em. > 1: When citizens run out of liquid cash, we better > budget ourselves, government should do likewise. > 2: future GA sessions / Governor actions can raid > the 'alleged' transportation fund just like they did > last year. > 3: given the way money has been spent to date, I > don't think that extra money will be wisely and > efficiently spent. VA's track record to date isn't > exactly pristine. > 4: While a sales tax may be 'unfair' in that it > targets the incorrect demographic, a gas tax is just > as unfair, as it will affect the poor & middle class > more. > > For those, like me, that oppose the oppressive > Commonwealth, how about some alternate > suggestions... > > FWIW, despite disagreeing with Governor Warner's > support, I commend him for telling the state > agencies to expect to get smaller... Let's hope the > GA goes along.... > > save some money, > -go from 2 license plates to just one > -eliminate the county sticker requirement (yeah, > that's another issue, but it would help to get rid > of the whole monolith that supports it) > -No more Crown vics or Camaros for police - replace > with Ford Focus & the like. > -No more HD for police, replace with H*ndas > -sell above mentioned used cruisers & bikes. > -undo silly 'car tax' reimbursement ponzi scheme, > tell counties they have 2 years to figure out > another way > -Wilder did a pretty good job identifying excess > fat, how about having him dig deeper? > > > Wonder how long this one will rage on ;-) > > Dave > > > > > > > Discuss! > > 'No' on Road Tax Would Go Furthest To Ease Gridlock > > > By Marc Fisher > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Powered by Wild On Web: > Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from > Anywhere in the World! > http://www.wildonweb.com > |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| > |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 15:59:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TKx1O7002322; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:59:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TKx0pB002316; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:59:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DBF0216.80106@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:48:06 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike References: <20021029201137.44968.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit matthew patton wrote: >I find it telling that people are WILLING to sit in 395 traffic each >and EVERY day, hour after countless hour when alternatives exist (if >they can find a parking spot). Clearly, much to the chagrin of those >who are bitching and moaning to no end, the problem isn't big enough in >most people's minds that they really care. > > I found this interesting also. After thinking about it, I've NEVER found Mass transport useful. Not only did it take longer, narrowed down places to work, cost as much or more, but it didn't allow me to answer the "...come home now! theres a snake in the house!", or "... wanta stop and getta drink..." or "...honey meet us for dinner at..." or "... hey contractor! we need you to go to the other side of the beltway...and you have to leave now..." or working till 2am, or just listening to whatever the hell I want as loud as I want. Not to mention the more than likly increase in crime. IMHO investing in Mass Trans, is a waste of my money, you may get some to change over, but look at most metro areas. They still have traffic problems and always will. Maybe a few answers would be to tell the counties to make it enticing for businesses to move offices to their area, more telecommuting (most IT mangers still think you need to be in the NOC standing at the system to be actually working). Wages to match the cost of homes closer in , or homes closer in to match wages. Quite a few people live far away because a decent home in a decent neiborhood is ridiculous ... and on... and on... and on.... Oh well, i don't think there will ever be a good anwser/solution. Tom de '98 VTR > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 15:59:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TKxkO7002361; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:59:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TKxkIq002355; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:59:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:01:09 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Virginia Sales Tax Hike In-Reply-To: <20021029201043.17188.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > save some money, > -go from 2 license plates to just one amen > -eliminate the county sticker requirement (yeah, that's another issue, but it would help to get rid of the whole monolith that supports it) county sticker... oh yeah, I have to get one of those some time ;-) Does anyone actually have one on a bike?? > -No more Crown vics or Camaros for police - replace with Ford Focus & the like. I don't think its fair to make them spend a day in a Focus. but at least teach them how to use the f-in gas peddle. Its not an on off switch. Cops ALWAYS have to haul ass from a stop light. Tire, gas and oil=$$$. > -No more HD for police, replace with H*ndas Doesn't HD lease them for something ridiculous like $1/year? Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 16:22:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TLMLO7002576; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:22:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TLMKC5002568; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:22:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021029212218.85035.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:22:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike To: Tom de , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3DBF0216.80106@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii While I understand your comments about mass transit, I feel the need to say this. That attitude, while certainly one that is beneficial to you personally, is terrible for the long term future of this country. At some point the sprawl will get so bad there will be nothing left in terms of farms, green spaces, wetlands, parks and yes, good motorcycle roads. If we do not more efficiently use the metropolitan/urban spaces we have, at one point it will be all sub-urban. And I for one find the thought of endless strips malls distrurbing. I am sure most wildlife does too. Oh well, not that I think anything will change. Such smart planning will require a massive change in the way we live and think, which we as Americans are probably incapable of. Buy bye Loudon County, Fauquier, etc. At some point, NOVA will just merege with Charlottesville. Onw big long line of Wendy's, Exxon and Ford Dealerships. --- Tom de wrote: > > > matthew patton wrote: > > >I find it telling that people are WILLING to sit in > 395 traffic each > >and EVERY day, hour after countless hour when > alternatives exist (if > >they can find a parking spot). Clearly, much to the > chagrin of those > >who are bitching and moaning to no end, the problem > isn't big enough in > >most people's minds that they really care. > > > > > I found this interesting also. After thinking about > it, I've NEVER > found Mass transport useful. Not only did it take > longer, narrowed down > places to work, cost as much or more, but it didn't > allow me to answer > the "...come home now! theres a snake in the > house!", or "... wanta > stop and getta drink..." or "...honey meet us for > dinner at..." or "... > hey contractor! we need you to go to the other side > of the beltway...and > you have to leave now..." or working till 2am, or > just listening to > whatever the hell I want as loud as I want. Not to > mention the more > than likly increase in crime. > IMHO investing in Mass Trans, is a waste of my > money, you may get some > to change over, but look at most metro areas. They > still have traffic > problems and always will. > Maybe a few answers would be to tell the > counties to make it > enticing for businesses to move offices to their > area, more > telecommuting (most IT mangers still think you need > to be in the NOC > standing at the system to be actually working). > Wages to match the cost > of homes closer in , or homes closer in to match > wages. Quite a few > people live far away because a decent home in a > decent neiborhood is > ridiculous ... and on... and on... and on.... > > Oh well, i don't think there will ever be a good > anwser/solution. > > Tom de '98 VTR > > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 16:35:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TLZSO7002687; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:35:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TLZSpL002682; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:35:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021029162448.026e9380@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:35:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike In-Reply-To: <20021029212218.85035.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3DBF0216.80106@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I don't mind mass transit and when the "get on" and "get off" points are relatively close to where I live and work, it's a good deal. The *problem* I see is that, unless we build up our mass transit system to be *convenient*, it just doesn't work. Because ridership isn't up to expected levels, the costs to maintain it, and the subsequent cost to ride rests with the people who *do* use it. It can get quite costly. Mass transit has never been considered a "for profit" business. Couple that with a very high percentage of mass transit employees on disability (fraud in the metro employee system is so rampant that they can no longer find an external insurer), and the cost to maintain the entire system is huge. Want the metro system to save money and make it cheaper to use? Aggressively investigate and prosecute those that abuse their disability insurance. But I digress.. When I worked at the World Bank and lived in Reston, I had to allow at least an additional 30 minutes to my commute if I took the bus to Falls church metro. Or, add 45 minutes if I drove to Vienna. Then add the cost of riding and parking at the metro station plus the additional time it took, and just driving to work started to look more and more attractive. And, as already mentioned, in order for mass transit to work, the trains have to run *all* the time and that *includes* the buses. There's nothing more frustrating that taking the late train out of DC to end up at Falls Church an hour after the last bus has left. What brain dead idiot thought THAT up? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 17:02:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TM2MO7002889; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:02:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TM2LaV002879; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:02:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021029220219.68969.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:02:19 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021029212218.85035.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark, I don't buy your assertion. California is the pentultimate example of planning and heavy-handed gov't efforts to do what they want and ignoring the general will of the populace. All they have to show for it is high taxes and congestion that's worse than ours and a most pathetic utilization rate of their rail system. There will always be people who will live in the sticks, some will live in the suburbs, and some will always choose to live downtown. Each according to their own value position. My wife (and 2 children) live in Chicago City proper yet it takes her 90 minutes to use bus and train to get to work and back and Chicago's transporation system puts DC's to a complete shame. Ditto living here in Springfield. She used to live 3 miles west of Duke St station and lived on Duke street and the commute to Ballston Metro was a freaking nightmare. Driving to and fro was far more convenient and faster to boot. I lived south of Huntington (3 miles) and enjoyed an easy and convenient commute route but I chose to run home from the station most nights rather than waste my time waiting for a bus. Or actually I spent most days biking to work and back along the river because I could get there within a couple minutes of what public transportation would take and save the money for something else. I have a friend who lives west of Fredericksburg, leaves at 5am and rides the train in after driving 13 miles to the station. That kind of commute I would frankly hate, but he does it (despite the monetary and physical toll) because he can get a nice house on 5 acres of land for 2/3rds what it costs to own the townhouse I'm currently in at 395 and Edsal road. He could care less about the value position of living down town. My brother absolutely adores the city. and on it goes. ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 17:41:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TMfeO7003139; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:41:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TMfebo003134; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:41:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021029224137.3622.qmail@web20706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:41:37 -0800 (PST) From: Tom De Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike To: Mark Kitchell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: tdeboeser@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021029212218.85035.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A few points here, we are a nation of individuals. While I do get zelos about certain things, (in this case due to Mass Transit winnies on the local news portraying Mass Trans as the only solution) I think Mass Transit can help, but is definitally not "the" solution. Also, I'm sure you've drive/ridden in this area on the weekends. Quite often the traffic is worst than "rush hour". No amount of Mass Trans will help this. Sprawl is going to happen, we cannot escape it. Elected officals and tree huggers need to realize this. People have childeren, children need somewhere to live, homes need to be built, services will be needed for these people. The answer here is to manage it correctly. Which very few can do, maybe it can't be done. Along with additional roads, statilite offices, and Mass Trans, more bandwidth to the home will eventually be the one of best solutions. And the Fed. Gov should be the first up to bat! IMHO, Tom de '98 VTR - time to quit the rat race and move to Wyoming. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > While I understand your comments about mass transit, > I > feel the need to say this. That attitude, while > certainly one that is beneficial to you personally, > is > terrible for the long term future of this country. > At > some point the sprawl will get so bad there will be > nothing left in terms of farms, green spaces, > wetlands, parks and yes, good motorcycle roads. > > If we do not more efficiently use the > metropolitan/urban spaces we have, at one point it > will be all sub-urban. And I for one find the > thought > of endless strips malls distrurbing. I am sure most > wildlife does too. > > Oh well, not that I think anything will change. > Such > smart planning will require a massive change in the > way we live and think, which we as Americans are > probably incapable of. Buy bye Loudon County, > Fauquier, etc. At some point, NOVA will just merege > with Charlottesville. Onw big long line of Wendy's, > Exxon and Ford Dealerships. > > --- Tom de wrote: > > > > > > matthew patton wrote: > > > > >I find it telling that people are WILLING to sit > in > > 395 traffic each > > >and EVERY day, hour after countless hour when > > alternatives exist (if > > >they can find a parking spot). Clearly, much to > the > > chagrin of those > > >who are bitching and moaning to no end, the > problem > > isn't big enough in > > >most people's minds that they really care. > > > > > > > > I found this interesting also. After thinking > about > > it, I've NEVER > > found Mass transport useful. Not only did it take > > longer, narrowed down > > places to work, cost as much or more, but it > didn't > > allow me to answer > > the "...come home now! theres a snake in the > > house!", or "... wanta > > stop and getta drink..." or "...honey meet us for > > dinner at..." or "... > > hey contractor! we need you to go to the other > side > > of the beltway...and > > you have to leave now..." or working till 2am, or > > just listening to > > whatever the hell I want as loud as I want. Not > to > > mention the more > > than likly increase in crime. > > IMHO investing in Mass Trans, is a waste of my > > money, you may get some > > to change over, but look at most metro areas. > They > > still have traffic > > problems and always will. > > Maybe a few answers would be to tell the > > counties to make it > > enticing for businesses to move offices to their > > area, more > > telecommuting (most IT mangers still think you > need > > to be in the NOC > > standing at the system to be actually working). > > Wages to match the cost > > of homes closer in , or homes closer in to match > > wages. Quite a few > > people live far away because a decent home in a > > decent neiborhood is > > ridiculous ... and on... and on... and on.... > > > > Oh well, i don't think there will ever be a good > > anwser/solution. > > > > Tom de '98 VTR > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 17:42:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TMg6O7003183; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:42:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TMg6Qe003168; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:42:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021029224204.55367.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:42:04 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: RE: Virginia Sales Tax Hike To: dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > county sticker... oh yeah, I have to get one of > those some time ;-) Does > anyone actually have one on a bike?? Got one on mine. You have to make sure they give you the motorcycle version instead of the car. The adhesive is on the wrong side with the car on. At least the motorcycle ones are slightly cheaper. Remember though, you have to pay property tax on the bike to get the sticker. Keith __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 17:45:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TMj3O7003220; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:45:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TMj3Rk003214; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:45:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb7+UQ+zZoA6S4aWmR1ni5ZlrDY9LnNqi2alIqmvKGgldxOF11KlMGTwe7IByESO6M= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: "smart growth" my arse Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:45:00 -0500 Message-ID: <006601c27f9c$d099eed0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20021029212218.85035.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Not a response to MK in particular, he just happened to be the last one to post.... There's only one solution to these problems: Stop freakin' breeding! What are you people, rabbits? Now, I don't mean to get off on a rant here, but.... They should put the "expectant mother" and "newborn" spaces in the parking lot FURTHER AWAY. Pay a physical penalty for bringing another squalling poop-machine oxygen-load on Mother Earth into existence. It's just another resource hog bellying up to the trough in the porcine nation that we call Amurrica. Maybe in the bargain you can work off some of that baby fat, mommy, and then you can skip sinking even more resources into that expensive combination clothes hanger and dust collector you call a Nordic Track. And why do we let people go home from work early to "attend a soccer match" or "go on a girl scout trip", or my personal favorite: "the child care closes at 6pm, so I can't stay for the rest of the meeting, will you cover for me?" So let me get this straight: I have to work harder...in effect, doing your job, putting food in your progeny's ever-open, overfed orifice...just because I decided to be environmentally responsible? I'm not recycling 15,000 Fruit Roll up wrappers or tossing 17,898 pampers into the dumpster. So p-ss off, and find a child care that supports your schedule. I got better things to do than your job and support your bulging brood. Each one of those CO2-emitting, food-inhaling, space-taking, mommy-van-riding stinkpots is more load on the infrastructure of society, so PAY....MORE....TAXES. Get rid of the deductions, and add $8k direct tax for each dependant to help defray the cost of schools and roads (and jails--to which I'm sure your hell-spawn will directly contribute to the occupancy rate). That need you feel to procreate is just a genetic throwback you have in common with some varieties of plant life. Your genes are just saying "I AM KUDZU" and you're enabling them to spread over the earth, swallowing everything under their weight. It'll just be a homogenous sea of humanity, crushing every other species under its abundant, stinking growth. (mixed metaphor, two points) A bit selfish of you, no? So go save the whales and dolphins, prevent global warming (or was it global cooling...nope, that was the 70s), save the spotted owl, preserve the dwindling oil supplies, clean up the air and water, promote smart growth and prevent the suburbanization of the world. Go get snipped and shut the F- up. Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. --jon -----Mark Kitchell wrote: While I understand your comments about mass transit, I feel the need to say this. That attitude, while certainly one that is beneficial to you personally, is terrible for the long term future of this country. At some point the sprawl will get so bad there will be nothing left in terms of farms, green spaces, wetlands, parks and yes, good motorcycle roads. If we do not more efficiently use the metropolitan/urban spaces we have, at one point it will be all sub-urban. And I for one find the thought of endless strips malls distrurbing. I am sure most wildlife does too. Oh well, not that I think anything will change. Such smart planning will require a massive change in the way we live and think, which we as Americans are probably incapable of. Buy bye Loudon County, Fauquier, etc. At some point, NOVA will just merege with Charlottesville. Onw big long line of Wendy's, Exxon and Ford Dealerships. --- Tom de wrote: > > > matthew patton wrote: > > >I find it telling that people are WILLING to sit in > 395 traffic each > >and EVERY day, hour after countless hour when > alternatives exist (if > >they can find a parking spot). Clearly, much to the > chagrin of those > >who are bitching and moaning to no end, the problem > isn't big enough in > >most people's minds that they really care. > > > > > I found this interesting also. After thinking about > it, I've NEVER > found Mass transport useful. Not only did it take > longer, narrowed down > places to work, cost as much or more, but it didn't > allow me to answer > the "...come home now! theres a snake in the > house!", or "... wanta > stop and getta drink..." or "...honey meet us for > dinner at..." or "... > hey contractor! we need you to go to the other side > of the beltway...and > you have to leave now..." or working till 2am, or > just listening to > whatever the hell I want as loud as I want. Not to > mention the more > than likly increase in crime. > IMHO investing in Mass Trans, is a waste of my > money, you may get some > to change over, but look at most metro areas. They > still have traffic > problems and always will. > Maybe a few answers would be to tell the > counties to make it > enticing for businesses to move offices to their > area, more > telecommuting (most IT mangers still think you need > to be in the NOC > standing at the system to be actually working). > Wages to match the cost > of homes closer in , or homes closer in to match > wages. Quite a few > people live far away because a decent home in a > decent neiborhood is > ridiculous ... and on... and on... and on.... > > Oh well, i don't think there will ever be a good > anwser/solution. > > Tom de '98 VTR > > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 17:49:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TMnlO7003260; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:49:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TMnlKt003254; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:49:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021029224945.5891.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:49:45 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: Virginia Sales Tax Hike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021029224204.55367.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No wonder I don't have one! ;-) Glenn --- Keith Lamond wrote: > Remember though, you have to pay property tax on the > bike to get the sticker. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 17:55:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TMttO7003428; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:55:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TMttIZ003422; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:55:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021029225553.27736.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:55:53 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: "smart growth" my arse To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <006601c27f9c$d099eed0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sounds great to me but it seems the only population taking to this suggestion is the white Anglo in America as they are the ones shrinking in populous. Glenn --- Jon Strang wrote: > Not a response to MK in particular, he just happened > to be the last one to > post.... > > There's only one solution to these problems: > Stop freakin' breeding! What are you people, > rabbits? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 17:57:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TMvXO7003473; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:57:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TMvW7H003465; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:57:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <016201c27f9e$99716120$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20021029224204.55367.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:57:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Lamond" > > county sticker... oh yeah, I have to get one of > > those some time ;-) Does > > anyone actually have one on a bike?? > > Got one on mine. You have to make sure they give you > the motorcycle version instead of the car. The > adhesive is on the wrong side with the car on. At > least the motorcycle ones are slightly cheaper. > > Remember though, you have to pay property tax on the > bike to get the sticker. > > Keith This is the biggest scam of all in Gilmore's cockamamie "rebate" scheme that artfully (a little too slickly it turned out, sure was nice while the fun lasted) skated around the outright abolition of the tax. The counties and cities still have their PPT (personal property tax) bureaucracies set up to collect the tax, even though most citizens get most of it back. While I lived in Charlottesville, you had to cough up a $10 fee each year just for privilege of displaying the damn sticker, even if you had a worthless beater cage. And to think Jimbo wanted to do for the national Republican Party what he did for Va. The Republicans came to their senses and ran him off before he could do lasting damage. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 17:59:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TMx0O7003511; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:59:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TMwxEj003504; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:58:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <6851CF14DA5455469A22AAFB019EAB3606248D@gothic.answerlogic.com> From: Han Park To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: "smart growth" my arse Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:59:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Was that a quote or did you make that up? It sounded very Millerian. I miss that show, when's it coming back on HBO? han > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:45 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: "smart growth" my arse > > > Not a response to MK in particular, he just happened to be > the last one to > post.... > > There's only one solution to these problems: > Stop freakin' breeding! What are you people, rabbits? > > Now, I don't mean to get off on a rant here, but.... > > They should put the "expectant mother" and "newborn" spaces > in the parking > lot FURTHER AWAY. Pay a physical penalty for bringing > another squalling > poop-machine oxygen-load on Mother Earth into existence. > It's just another > resource hog bellying up to the trough in the porcine nation > that we call > Amurrica. Maybe in the bargain you can work off some of that > baby fat, > mommy, and then you can skip sinking even more resources into > that expensive > combination clothes hanger and dust collector you call a Nordic Track. > > And why do we let people go home from work early to "attend a > soccer match" > or "go on a girl scout trip", or my personal favorite: "the child care > closes at 6pm, so I can't stay for the rest of the meeting, > will you cover > for me?" So let me get this straight: I have to work > harder...in effect, > doing your job, putting food in your progeny's ever-open, overfed > orifice...just because I decided to be environmentally > responsible? I'm not > recycling 15,000 Fruit Roll up wrappers or tossing 17,898 > pampers into the > dumpster. So p-ss off, and find a child care that supports > your schedule. > I got better things to do than your job and support your > bulging brood. > > Each one of those CO2-emitting, food-inhaling, space-taking, > mommy-van-riding stinkpots is more load on the infrastructure > of society, so > PAY....MORE....TAXES. Get rid of the deductions, and add $8k > direct tax for > each dependant to help defray the cost of schools and roads > (and jails--to > which I'm sure your hell-spawn will directly contribute to > the occupancy > rate). > > That need you feel to procreate is just a genetic throwback > you have in > common with some varieties of plant life. Your genes are > just saying "I AM > KUDZU" and you're enabling them to spread over the earth, swallowing > everything under their weight. It'll just be a homogenous > sea of humanity, > crushing every other species under its abundant, stinking > growth. (mixed > metaphor, two points) A bit selfish of you, no? > > So go save the whales and dolphins, prevent global warming > (or was it global > cooling...nope, that was the 70s), save the spotted owl, preserve the > dwindling oil supplies, clean up the air and water, promote > smart growth and > prevent the suburbanization of the world. Go get snipped and > shut the F- > up. > > Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. > > --jon > > > -----Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > While I understand your comments about mass transit, I > feel the need to say this. That attitude, while > certainly one that is beneficial to you personally, is > terrible for the long term future of this country. At > some point the sprawl will get so bad there will be > nothing left in terms of farms, green spaces, > wetlands, parks and yes, good motorcycle roads. > > If we do not more efficiently use the > metropolitan/urban spaces we have, at one point it > will be all sub-urban. And I for one find the thought > of endless strips malls distrurbing. I am sure most > wildlife does too. > > Oh well, not that I think anything will change. Such > smart planning will require a massive change in the > way we live and think, which we as Americans are > probably incapable of. Buy bye Loudon County, > Fauquier, etc. At some point, NOVA will just merege > with Charlottesville. Onw big long line of Wendy's, > Exxon and Ford Dealerships. > > --- Tom de wrote: > > > > > > matthew patton wrote: > > > > >I find it telling that people are WILLING to sit in > > 395 traffic each > > >and EVERY day, hour after countless hour when > > alternatives exist (if > > >they can find a parking spot). Clearly, much to the > > chagrin of those > > >who are bitching and moaning to no end, the problem > > isn't big enough in > > >most people's minds that they really care. > > > > > > > > I found this interesting also. After thinking about > > it, I've NEVER > > found Mass transport useful. Not only did it take > > longer, narrowed down > > places to work, cost as much or more, but it didn't > > allow me to answer > > the "...come home now! theres a snake in the > > house!", or "... wanta > > stop and getta drink..." or "...honey meet us for > > dinner at..." or "... > > hey contractor! we need you to go to the other side > > of the beltway...and > > you have to leave now..." or working till 2am, or > > just listening to > > whatever the hell I want as loud as I want. Not to > > mention the more > > than likly increase in crime. > > IMHO investing in Mass Trans, is a waste of my > > money, you may get some > > to change over, but look at most metro areas. They > > still have traffic > > problems and always will. > > Maybe a few answers would be to tell the > > counties to make it > > enticing for businesses to move offices to their > > area, more > > telecommuting (most IT mangers still think you need > > to be in the NOC > > standing at the system to be actually working). > > Wages to match the cost > > of homes closer in , or homes closer in to match > > wages. Quite a few > > people live far away because a decent home in a > > decent neiborhood is > > ridiculous ... and on... and on... and on.... > > > > Oh well, i don't think there will ever be a good > > anwser/solution. > > > > Tom de '98 VTR > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > > > ################################################################# > ################################################################# > ################################################################# > ##### > ##### > ##### > ################################################################# > ################################################################# > ################################################################# > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 18:13:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TND0O7003623; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:13:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TNCxsn003613; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:12:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <019601c27fa0$c12de2e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <20021029212218.85035.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:13:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" At some point, NOVA will just merege > with Charlottesville. Onw big long line of Wendy's, > Exxon and Ford Dealerships. > Isn't it virtually that already? When I was in school at UVa (not *that* long ago) there were exactly two traffic lights on 29 between C'ville and I-66. Now, there are too many to count, along with a plethora of mega-Sheetzes that seem to sprout like mushrooms each time I make the trip.... Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 18:17:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TNHRO7003680; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:17:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TNHRDC003672; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:17:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021029231724.95430.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:17:24 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <016201c27f9e$99716120$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I couldn't agree more, the 'rebate' is the most idiotic nonsense anyone ever dreamed up. Just how much does it cost each county to design and print new stickers each year, send out property tax notices, and process all of the tax submissions? I get the sticker cause I have to, not cause I want to. Keith --- Paul Wilson wrote: > This is the biggest scam of all in Gilmore's > cockamamie "rebate" scheme that > artfully (a little too slickly it turned out, sure > was nice while the fun > lasted) skated around the outright abolition of the > tax. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 18:23:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TNNIO7003780; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:23:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TNNIE3003772; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:23:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021029182232.00bcfaa8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:23:11 -0500 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike In-Reply-To: <019601c27fa0$c12de2e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <20021029212218.85035.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:13 PM 10/29/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Kitchell" >At some point, NOVA will just merege > > with Charlottesville. Onw big long line of Wendy's, > > Exxon and Ford Dealerships. > > >Isn't it virtually that already? When I was in school at UVa (not *that* >long ago) there were exactly two traffic lights on 29 between C'ville and >I-66. Now, there are too many to count, along with a plethora of >mega-Sheetzes that seem to sprout like mushrooms each time I make the >trip.... > >Paul in DC >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F I remember when living out in Leesburg was considered living way, way WAY out in the boonies. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 19:46:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9U0kuO7004764; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:46:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9U0ksIg004756; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:46:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:01:27 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: "smart growth" my arse In-Reply-To: <006601c27f9c$d099eed0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Jon Strang wrote: > Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. > > --jon Wow, quite a rant. Too bad your parents didn't share your view, jon. My advice, get laid. It will do wonders for your outlook on life. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 19:49:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9U0nHO7004801; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:49:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9U0nH4E004794; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:49:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 30 Oct 2002 00:50:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20021030005007.29472.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Virginia Sales Tax Hike X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: dsl-65-190-204-149.telocity.com (65.190.204.149) not sure how roads are off-topic to motorcycles. Dave, do you just sit on your shiny one in the garage and go 'vroom vroom'??? [Dave] c'mon... you said discuss ?! PS: Don't worry about where I vote, ok? I will be dis-enfranchised soon enough! [Dave] I know, but the archives at www.dccycles.com seem to indicate you haven't been a commonwealth resident for a while now. Like this one: Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:37:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: DC native here too. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200210021230.IAA19406@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Me too, born at GW. Lived in Alexandria, then Austria, then Alexandria, Charlottesville, Alexandria, Chicago, Charlottesville, Arlington, and now home in the District again. Next move is to France, 2005? More than 30 days, and this isn't a presidential election. I mean, if the state board of elections were to find out that you voted illegally, it could cause the results that you want (a no vote [which I want too] ) to be called in to question and your vote wouldn't count. Not to mention the possible criminal penalties (which looks like a class 5 felony according to leg1.state.va.us) It's section 24, if you're interested... And, if the local registrar finds out, they may issue a 'challenge' to you if you're voting in person, at which time, in order to vote, you must affirm that you are indeed eligible to vote in the Commonwealth, under oath, or be declined. That's noted on the voter rolls for later checking. And if that were also falsified, that's a whole host of other criminal violations... Seriously, if the thing passes, it passes. I won't like it, but I don't want it to fail to pass knowing non residents are affecting the outcome. vroom vroom ! A few articles have touched on the Politics making strange bedfellows in the tax referendum vote. Sitting in the terrible rain soaked traffic on Duke Street tonight, I realized 3 things - 1: No amount of tax money is going to make these lunatics better drivers. 2: It probably wouldn't cost me that much per year. 3: It will probably fund raises for upper management at VDOT... 4: Mondo tax incentives for companies that allow their IT workers to telecommute WOULD help... I'll bet you (Mark) didn't think I could make a whole day of posting without a reference to the G** word ! ;-) Ahh... what are we all talking about this for, let's wait for Danny's thoughts on the matter;-) Dave --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > JUST when you thought you were safe from OT posts... > Kitchell hits us with: > > Ok, its pretty boring here today so let discuss the > upcoming proposal to increase the sales tax in VA to > fund roads. > > I will vote no for the following reasons (my last > election I will vote in Virginia): > > [Dave] aren't you currently residing in > DC, for some time now ? > > > 1. More roads only lead to more congestion (see Marc > Fisher article below). Build more roads and people > just build more homes away from mass-transport. > 2. Money should go to mass transport, not roads. > 3. Sales tax is unfair. It does not target the > users > of roads very effectively. A higher gas tax would > be > much better in that department. > > [Dave] For a second, given Mark's stated stance, I > thought I was going to have to change my position. > But, our reasons are quite different. > > No. No more money for the Commonwealth. No more > money for Fairfax, PW, Loudon - None of 'em. > 1: When citizens run out of liquid cash, we better > budget ourselves, government should do likewise. > 2: future GA sessions / Governor actions can raid > the 'alleged' transportation fund just like they did > last year. > 3: given the way money has been spent to date, I > don't think that extra money will be wisely and > efficiently spent. VA's track record to date isn't > exactly pristine. > 4: While a sales tax may be 'unfair' in that it > targets the incorrect demographic, a gas tax is just > as unfair, as it will affect the poor & middle class > more. > > For those, like me, that oppose the oppressive > Commonwealth, how about some alternate > suggestions... > > FWIW, despite disagreeing with Governor Warner's > support, I commend him for telling the state > agencies to expect to get smaller... Let's hope the > GA goes along.... > > save some money, > -go from 2 license plates to just one > -eliminate the county sticker requirement (yeah, > that's another issue, but it would help to get rid > of the whole monolith that supports it) > -No more Crown vics or Camaros for police - replace > with Ford Focus & the like. > -No more HD for police, replace with H*ndas > -sell above mentioned used cruisers & bikes. > -undo silly 'car tax' reimbursement ponzi scheme, > tell counties they have 2 years to figure out > another way > -Wilder did a pretty good job identifying excess > fat, how about having him dig deeper? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 20:40:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9U1e1O7005283; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:40:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9U1dxe5005259; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:39:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DBF39B0.B7DA364F@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:45:20 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike References: <20021029212218.85035.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.5.2.20021029182232.00bcfaa8@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > At 06:13 PM 10/29/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Mark Kitchell" > >At some point, NOVA will just merege > > > with Charlottesville. Onw big long line of Wendy's, > > > Exxon and Ford Dealerships. > > > > >Isn't it virtually that already? When I was in school at UVa (not *that* > >long ago) there were exactly two traffic lights on 29 between C'ville and > >I-66. Now, there are too many to count, along with a plethora of > >mega-Sheetzes that seem to sprout like mushrooms each time I make the > >trip.... > > > >Paul in DC > >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F > > I remember when living out in Leesburg was considered living way, way WAY out > in the boonies. Ha! Back in `63 my folks moved to Annandale and the guys at my father's work teased him about moving to the sticks! At the time the last outpost of civilization on what was then Shirley Highway was considered to be Stone's Motel at Shirley and King St. I think Annandale had two traffic signels which went to blinker mode at night. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 21:58:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9U2w1O7005806; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:58:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9U2w0Dl005797; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:58:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000901c27fc0$26989f20$da63b8d0@Bubaleh> From: "Janey & Kurt" To: Subject: Summit Point Track Day Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:57:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Anyone going to the Team Pro-Motion track day this Sunday? I'd like to go, but I don't have a trailer, and I'm not sure I want to ride out there early Sunday morning when the temps are in the 40's, do the track day, and then ride back. I've done it before, and it's exhausting. If anyone is going and has extra room in their trailer, I'd gladly pay for gas, etc. if you'd consider hauling my bike out there. Thanks. -Kurt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 22:01:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9U31uO7005870; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:01:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9U31uZb005863; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:01:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [216.164.50.110] From: "Marc Washington" To: jcohen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Summit Point Track Day Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:00:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2002 03:00:50.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D5D5E30:01C27FC0] I am in the same boat and would make the same deal. I might even suck it up and ride ....maybe. Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk > Anyone going to the Team Pro-Motion track day this Sunday? I'd like >to >go, but I don't have a trailer, and I'm not sure I want to ride out there >early Sunday morning when the temps are in the 40's, do the track day, and >then ride back. I've done it before, and it's exhausting. If anyone is >going and has extra room in their trailer, I'd gladly pay for gas, etc. if >you'd consider hauling my bike out there. Thanks. > > -Kurt _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 22:43:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9U3hVO7006084; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:43:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9U3hUoA006080; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:43:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <011a01c27fce$eb90c880$dbacbc98@ticostat.com> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "dan" , References: Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:41:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >> -No more HD for police, replace with H*ndas >Doesn't HD lease them for something ridiculous like $1/year? If the police district is paying for the bike, Harley will lease one motorcycle for $500 a year which includes a fender-to-fender warranty and all regular maintenance. If the cop is buying the bike outright (a lot of "motorcycle cops" aren't motorcycle cops at all but contracted civilians used for stuff like funerals and parades, to free up the real officers for other work, and those cops have to buy their own bikes) they get a discount of something like 40% off MSRP. This was one of Harley's better business decisions, and one of the things that really brought the company back. While a lot of jurisdictions still buy Kawasakis--- they are truly indestructible, and face it, it's probably legislated in at least some places that the cops *have* to buy Kawasakis--- a lot of others realize it is a lot cheaper to lease from Harley. If you only have Harleys you really don't even have to pay a mechanic, with all those warranties and all. Hell, for $500 a year... I'd lease at least three, then I could match them to my shoes or my purse or something! cheers, patti font of strange, often useless information From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 29 23:28:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9U4SfO7006312; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:28:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9U4Se5i006302; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:28:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003501c27fcc$0ed6a880$93735c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Virginia Sales Tax Hike Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:23:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 A quick toss into the fray from the peanut gallery -- (having ground down many autos on 'burbmutes nationwide before donning the sackcloth of intown living decades ago) o In the recent tax discussions I've not seen mention of that immensely available land use option -- "altitude". That which makes New York and Chicago transsystems become more viable. Not my original idea, certainly: Have seen "Build Up" worked over thoroly in past transit scrums. o An afficionado on a recent morning news show maintained that the Dulles Corridor and west has no land use plan in force. If true, that 1/2c would have a hard time working its way out of my shopping pockets. [Daddy, I want to go to the movies. Can I have a few billion to buy a car?] Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > I'd chip in the 1/2c for bicycle path use. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Virginia Sales Tax Hike JUST when you thought you were safe from OT posts... Kitchell hits us with: Ok, its pretty boring here today so let discuss the upcoming proposal to increase the sales tax in VA to fund roads. I will vote no for the following reasons (my last election I will vote in Virginia): [Dave] aren't you currently residing in DC, for some time now ? 1. More roads only lead to more congestion (see Marc Fisher article below). Build more roads and people just build more homes away from mass-transport. 2. Money should go to mass transport, not roads. 3. Sales tax is unfair. It does not target the users of roads very effectively. A higher gas tax would be much better in that department. [Dave] For a second, given Mark's stated stance, I thought I was going to have to change my position. But, our reasons are quite different. No. No more money for the Commonwealth. No more money for Fairfax, PW, Loudon - None of 'em. 1: When citizens run out of liquid cash, we better budget ourselves, government should do likewise. 2: future GA sessions / Governor actions can raid the 'alleged' transportation fund just like they did last year. 3: given the way money has been spent to date, I don't think that extra money will be wisely and efficiently spent. VA's track record to date isn't exactly pristine. 4: While a sales tax may be 'unfair' in that it targets the incorrect demographic, a gas tax is just as unfair, as it will affect the poor & middle class more. For those, like me, that oppose the oppressive Commonwealth, how about some alternate suggestions... FWIW, despite disagreeing with Governor Warner's support, I commend him for telling the state agencies to expect to get smaller... Let's hope the GA goes along.... save some money, -go from 2 license plates to just one -eliminate the county sticker requirement (yeah, that's another issue, but it would help to get rid of the whole monolith that supports it) -No more Crown vics or Camaros for police - replace with Ford Focus & the like. -No more HD for police, replace with H*ndas -sell above mentioned used cruisers & bikes. -undo silly 'car tax' reimbursement ponzi scheme, tell counties they have 2 years to figure out another way -Wilder did a pretty good job identifying excess fat, how about having him dig deeper? Wonder how long this one will rage on ;-) Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 05:49:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UAnGO7008239; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 05:49:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UAnFRE008229; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 05:49:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: So? Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:49:07 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210300549076V.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Who rode in today? I caved. Rain in the morning ending at noon: No problem. Rain all day: Well... Freezing rain: Umm... Snow: "Is the truck gassed up?" So the truck's outside. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 06:00:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UB0wO7008478; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:00:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UB0wJJ008471; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:00:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:00:49 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210300600496W.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 29 October 2002 16:01, dan wrote: > > save some money, > > -go from 2 license plates to just one > > amen > > > -eliminate the county sticker requirement (yeah, that's another issue, > > but it would help to get rid of the whole monolith that supports it) > > county sticker... oh yeah, I have to get one of those some time ;-) Does > anyone actually have one on a bike?? > As long as you're not visible on the street, the cops won't say anything. I have my sticker but it's sitting upstairs on my file cabinet. I park the bikes in the garage ("you might be a biker if you park your bike in the garage and the cars sit outside"). I think it'd work just as well if you had a cover. I figure that as long as I have the sticker, I have proof that I've paid. The only times these seem to be of any use is when you want to use a facility (like the dump in Spotsylvania) where it costs money if you're from outside the county. > Dan Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 06:11:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UBBaO7008578; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:11:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UBBY2N008563; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:11:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Way OT: Game Day Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:11:27 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210300611276Y.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I mentioned a LAN party/Game Day a few months back. It seems we're getting around to it again (must be winter) so I'm extending the gauntleted hand. If you're interested, drop me a note off-line. Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 06:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UBTBO7008695; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:29:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UBTA9I008688; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:29:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021030062811.0266b940@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:29:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike In-Reply-To: <0210300600496W.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:00 AM 10/30/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: >On Tuesday 29 October 2002 16:01, dan wrote: > > > save some money, > > > -go from 2 license plates to just one > > > > amen > > > > > -eliminate the county sticker requirement (yeah, that's another issue, > > > but it would help to get rid of the whole monolith that supports it) > > > > county sticker... oh yeah, I have to get one of those some time ;-) Does > > anyone actually have one on a bike?? > > > >As long as you're not visible on the street, the cops won't say anything. I >have my sticker but it's sitting upstairs on my file cabinet. I park the >bikes in the garage ("you might be a biker if you park your bike in the >garage and the cars sit outside"). > >I think it'd work just as well if you had a cover. > >I figure that as long as I have the sticker, I have proof that I've paid. The >only times these seem to be of any use is when you want to use a facility >(like the dump in Spotsylvania) where it costs money if you're from outside >the county. > > > Dan watch out though, it's not unusual for the local police to set up roadblocks to check for expired/missing decals. I know they do that annually in the Reston/Herndon area. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 06:34:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UBYAO7008759; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:34:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UBYASC008753; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:34:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DBFC4F5.7C5721D4@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:39:33 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike References: <0210300600496W.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > As long as you're not visible on the street, the cops won't say anything. I > have my sticker but it's sitting upstairs on my file cabinet. I park the > bikes in the garage ("you might be a biker if you park your bike in the > garage and the cars sit outside"). > > I think it'd work just as well if you had a cover. > > I figure that as long as I have the sticker, I have proof that I've paid. The > only times these seem to be of any use is when you want to use a facility > (like the dump in Spotsylvania) where it costs money if you're from outside > the county. May luck be with you. Back in 1971 I got pulled for no sticker. The charge read "Failuing to display" The fine was *gasp* $75 !!! Reduced by the cost of the sticker if you presented proof of purchase to the judge or clerk who collected the fine. At the time, 1971, that fine exceeded all other base fine rates for moving violations. At a couple bucks for each mile over the speed limit you'd have to caught doing Warp 3 to bust the $75 benchmark. Needless to say, I'm anal about displaying my tax sticker, but do admit to placing them on upside down. A minor FU... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 06:40:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UBeXO7008825; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:40:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UBeW0M008819; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:40:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DBFC678.81245F36@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:46:00 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So? References: <0210300549076V.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > Who rode in today? > > I caved. > > Rain in the morning ending at noon: No problem. > Rain all day: Well... > Freezing rain: Umm... > Snow: "Is the truck gassed up?" > > So the truck's outside. I'll be in the truck today, orders from SWMBOed. And probably a good idea seeing as how last night I was recieving emergency treatment after a huge section of my left eye suddenly decided to go fricking blind!!! But I won't be at work - got to do the HMO doctor dance today. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 06:51:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UBp8O7008927; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:51:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UBp8Pj008917; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:51:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "William J. Huson" Subject: Re: So? Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:51:00 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <0210300549076V.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3DBFC678.81245F36@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3DBFC678.81245F36@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02103006510071.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 30 October 2002 06:46, William J. Huson wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > Who rode in today? > > > > I caved. > > > > Rain in the morning ending at noon: No problem. > > Rain all day: Well... > > Freezing rain: Umm... > > Snow: "Is the truck gassed up?" > > > > So the truck's outside. > > I'll be in the truck today, orders from SWMBOed. And probably a good idea > seeing as how last night I was recieving emergency treatment after a huge > section of my left eye suddenly decided to go fricking blind!!! > Sh*t that's not happy. My right eye is the lazy one. It's blurrier than the left, has a stigmatism, and I've seen some odd things that the eye doc can't explain. At the time it looked like a TV static type crack in the bottom viewing area of the eye. I was in a meeting at the time and I couldn't clear it. It was gone in a few minutes but it was worrying and the doc couldn't find anything wrong. I also have a small gray dot just a little bit down from the center view. I can mostly ignore it but at times it's obvious. I suspect I was briefly tagged by a laser light. > But I won't be at work - got to do the HMO doctor dance today. > Whew, good luck with that and with your eye. > Bill Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 06:53:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UBrEO7008974; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:53:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UBrEFI008966; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:53:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:53:05 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.1.5.2.20021030062811.0266b940@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021030062811.0266b940@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02103006530572.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 30 October 2002 06:29, Aki Damme wrote: > At 06:00 AM 10/30/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > >On Tuesday 29 October 2002 16:01, dan wrote: > > > > save some money, > > > > -go from 2 license plates to just one > > > > > > amen > > > > > > > -eliminate the county sticker requirement (yeah, that's another > > > > issue, but it would help to get rid of the whole monolith that > > > > supports it) > > > > > > county sticker... oh yeah, I have to get one of those some time ;-) > > > Does anyone actually have one on a bike?? > > > >As long as you're not visible on the street, the cops won't say anything. > > I have my sticker but it's sitting upstairs on my file cabinet. I park > > the bikes in the garage ("you might be a biker if you park your bike in > > the garage and the cars sit outside"). > > > >I think it'd work just as well if you had a cover. > > > >I figure that as long as I have the sticker, I have proof that I've paid. > > The only times these seem to be of any use is when you want to use a > > facility (like the dump in Spotsylvania) where it costs money if you're > > from outside the county. > > > > > Dan > > watch out though, it's not unusual for the local police to set up > roadblocks to check for expired/missing decals. I know they do that > annually in the Reston/Herndon area. The last time I was stopped by any such roadblock was when I first learned how to drive in California. We had gone to the dump and dad had me driving. We got to the impromptu inspection station and I mentioned that I didn't have my wallet (with my license). I got yelled at for that one but dad swapped with me first so I only got it from dad. And that was in 74. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 06:59:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UBx1O7009026; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:59:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UBx0O2009018; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:59:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021030065604.00bce978@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:58:54 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike In-Reply-To: <02103006530572.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20021030062811.0266b940@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.1.5.2.20021030062811.0266b940@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:53 AM 10/30/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: >The last time I was stopped by any such roadblock was when I first learned >how to drive in California. We had gone to the dump and dad had me driving. >We got to the impromptu inspection station and I mentioned that I didn't have >my wallet (with my license). I got yelled at for that one but dad swapped >with me first so I only got it from dad. > >And that was in 74. I been "caught" in these roadblocks in Reston half a dozen times in the past 2-3 years. Just luck I guess. Fortunately, my tags/decals were all up to date so I didn't lose anything but a little time. They're getting smarter about these roadblocks though. They set them up around blind corners and only have them up for 10-15 minutes before moving elsewhere. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 07:20:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UCKPO7009169; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:20:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UCKPVp009163; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:20:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:34:55 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: So? In-Reply-To: <0210300549076V.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > Who rode in today? I'm working from home... so yeah, I rode in ;-) ;-) > I caved. > > Rain in the morning ending at noon: No problem. > Rain all day: Well... > Freezing rain: Umm... > Snow: "Is the truck gassed up?" > > So the truck's outside. > > Carl I don't like commuting on my bike in the rain. I drive 270 down to the spur in Bethesda. It's dangerous enough on 2 wheels when it's dry :-) What's your commute, Carl? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 07:25:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UCPLO7009231; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:25:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UCPKCq009218; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:25:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021030122518.7941.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 04:25:18 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3DBF39B0.B7DA364F@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wish VDOT would do this with a ton of intersections at night just like they do in the city of Fairfax but why be smart about traffic, VDOT never has... Glenn --- "William J. Huson" wrote: I think Annandale had two > traffic signels which went to > blinker mode at night. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 07:40:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UCekO7009327; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:40:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UCekpD009320; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:40:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: So? Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:40:38 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02103007403873.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 30 October 2002 07:34, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > Who rode in today? > > I'm working from home... so yeah, I rode in ;-) ;-) > I used to be able to do that but now I interact with too many people and have to come in every day. Sometimes my days are quite long. > > I don't like commuting on my bike in the rain. I drive 270 down to the > spur in Bethesda. It's dangerous enough on 2 wheels when it's dry :-) > I don't mind riding. I tone down the ride and stay to the right. In our traffic I have to think twice and last year I agreed with my wife to not ride quite so often in the rain. That's why all day rain is pretty much my cut-off. Morning rain is think twice, afternoon rain is no problem. I have to chase down my rainsuit and get my wind blockers. I tried to get wind deflectors but the MoCo doesn't sell them for Softails. I can buy highway bars but I added the Arlen Ness forward control extender (+3") which moves the mounting holes out of alignment. I'm thinking of finding a machine shop and getting the bars to fit. Anyone have a suggestion? Machine shop or alternate wind blocking? > What's your commute, Carl? > I get up at 4am, leave at 5. I live in Dale City, Evansdale section and work at NASA Headquarters on 3rd and E St SW. It's about a 35 minute commute. I leave sometime after 2:30pm. Sometimes at 2:30, sometimes at 5 (like Wednesday last week). Do you work from home everyday? What's your commute? Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 07:53:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UCr9O7009427; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:53:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UCr8S0009417; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:53:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021030075755.058d31f0@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:59:54 -0500 To: From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: So? In-Reply-To: <02103007403873.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:40 AM 10/30/02 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote: >I tried to get wind deflectors but the MoCo doesn't sell them for Softails. I >can buy highway bars but I added the Arlen Ness forward control extender >(+3") which moves the mounting holes out of alignment. I'm thinking of >finding a machine shop and getting the bars to fit. > >Anyone have a suggestion? Machine shop or alternate wind blocking? I vote for a machine shop. Probably a lot easier and should be pretty inexpensive to make the modification(s). >I get up at 4am, leave at 5. I live in Dale City, Evansdale section and work >at NASA Headquarters on 3rd and E St SW. It's about a 35 minute commute. I >leave sometime after 2:30pm. Sometimes at 2:30, sometimes at 5 (like >Wednesday last week). Wow, a really early bird :-) >Do you work from home everyday? What's your commute? No, just when I want/need to. I'm having the inside of my house painted, along with kitchen remodeling, so there are workers in and out for the next few weeks. I live east of Frederick in Ijamsville (Holly Hills). I take Ijamsville to 80 to 270 south. My office is on Rockledge at the split. It's 33 miles, which can take 25 minutes or 2hrs, depending on traffic :-\ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 08:54:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UDsDO7009819; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:54:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UDsCHp009809; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:54:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021030135410.24480.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 05:54:10 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: So? To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0210300549076V.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I did. --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Who rode in today? > > I caved. > > Rain in the morning ending at noon: No problem. > Rain all day: Well... > Freezing rain: Umm... > Snow: "Is the truck gassed up?" > > So the truck's outside. > > Carl > -- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, > Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for > phone and address > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 09:06:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UE6UO7009903; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:06:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UE6UqL009895; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:06:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'markkitchell@XXXXXX'" Subject: Road Tax Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:06:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It turns out that the special interest groups who are pushing the "vote yes" for road taxes to ease gridlock are in fact... development corps etc... groups that operate for profit and whose very profit stems from growth, infrastructure expansion etc... adding to gridlock as traffic flow increases to established choke points. Another factor in outlying areas stems from corporation lobbying (ahem... contributing to) local control boards for traffic light application to intersections at corporate facilities...where no lights, roads or building existed previously. Enough lobbying, approval and installation etc... and you have lights every few blocks out in areas which were once parkway routes... take a look out on Rt 28 in Sterling, Herndon, Reston area for examples. a little net research seems to affirm this. How's the metropolitan area task group on interchange light sequencing coming along? It would be nice to travel more than a block at a time before running into additional sets of traffic lights. Voting no yet? ============================================================================ ======= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:45:53 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Virginia Sales Tax Hike To: DC Cycles Ok, its pretty boring here today so let discuss the upcoming proposal to increase the sales tax in VA to fund roads. I will vote no for the following reasons (my last election I will vote in Virginia): 1. More roads only lead to more congestion (see Marc Fisher article below). Build more roads and people just build more homes away from mass-transport. 2. Money should go to mass transport, not roads. 3. Sales tax is unfair. It does not target the users of roads very effectively. A higher gas tax would be much better in that department. Discuss! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 09:24:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UEONO7010022; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:24:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UEOKwZ010012; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:24:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'DC-Cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Lovely Northern Virginia Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:24:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I remember when Leesburg was a one horse town and the area was all farm land. I also remember when your passed outside the beltway... you were in the sticks. Hunting rabbits and quail where Anteon in Vienna now resides, when playing HS football in Herndon against the cow-milkers...when telegraph road and Beulah road where way out... when Hayfield HS was the only building around there. Ox road was a single lane with a few run down houses on it all the way to Lorton. When you could run down to Penn Ave in D.C. to pick up your dad from the office and make it home to 7 corners in maybe 45 minutes. When you could park at the Mall and walk over to the Archives for a peek at the Constitution. When riding a MC out in those areas was pure pleasure (a POS HD Sprint 350, Yamaha 360 enduro and the beloved 1972 triumph 650 Daytona) When Northern Virginia was really a beautiful place to live. Guess what... that was only 30 years ago... >I remember when living out in Leesburg was considered living way, way WAY out >in the boonies. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 09:30:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UEUvO7010104; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:30:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UEUup8010096; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:30:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005f01c28021$071ccfc0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "Carl Schelin" , References: <20021030135410.24480.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: So? Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:29:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I rode today too. Last night's ride was interesting and sloooow. Commuter cagers seem to wig out after the change to EST. Driving in the dark *and* the rain requires too much mental horsepower for some people, it would seem, so they slow to a turtle pace, despite their windshield wipers, defoggers, etc. My hands stayed nice and toasty and dry under the Aerostich rain covers, but I wish I could keep my coke bottles from fogging up. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > I did. > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > Who rode in today? > > > > I caved. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 09:36:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UEaOO7010166; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:36:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UEaOIv010160; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:36:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5282094@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Virginia Sales Tax Hike Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:37:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In Fairfax yes, not the case in Arlington I recently found out. Fairfax one never wanted to stay on, kept coming up at the sides. -----Original Message----- From: Keith Lamond [mailto:keithlva@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:42 PM To: dan; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Virginia Sales Tax Hike > county sticker... At least the motorcycle ones are slightly cheaper. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 09:39:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UEdjO7010218; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:39:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UEdj4x010212; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:39:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5282096@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Virginia Sales Tax Hike Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:40:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" When I used to work in Sterling, state troopers were regulars at the 28 exit off the Toll Road, looking for stickers. I'd just count the # of cars parked after the toll booths, I think only one booth was manned, so more than one car meant it was time for me to sloooow down and wave. -----Original Message----- From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:29 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike watch out though, it's not unusual for the local police to set up roadblocks to check for expired/missing decals. I know they do that annually in the Reston/Herndon area. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 09:39:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UEdlO7010257; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:39:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UEdlD2010250; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:39:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <8DEE4C18B7FDB04D9D09458266EA1B6B09DBAD@www.email.gmabrands.com> From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: So? Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:35:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" My girlfriend gave me a ride in this morning, but that's because I'm going to Boston on business this afternoon and then flying from Boston to New Orleans for a weekend of riding in/around the Big Easy. My roommate is trucking/trailering our bikes so I had to pack my helmet and some basic tools. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:49 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: So? Who rode in today? I caved. Rain in the morning ending at noon: No problem. Rain all day: Well... Freezing rain: Umm... Snow: "Is the truck gassed up?" So the truck's outside. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 09:41:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UEfPO7010302; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:41:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UEfPMV010296; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:41:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5282098@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Virginia Sales Tax Hike Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:42:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I second that wish, makes perfect sense to me. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:25 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike I wish VDOT would do this with a ton of intersections at night just like they do in the city of Fairfax but why be smart about traffic, VDOT never has... Glenn --- "William J. Huson" wrote: I think Annandale had two > traffic signels which went to > blinker mode at night. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 09:42:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UEgFO7010335; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:42:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UEgFjF010330; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:42:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD528209A@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Virginia Sales Tax Hike Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:43:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It might not be the boonies, but it's still way out there and probably takes longer to get to now w/ all the traffic. -----Original Message----- From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 6:23 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike I remember when living out in Leesburg was considered living way, way WAY out in the boonies. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 09:49:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UEnOO7010389; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:49:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UEnOdI010382; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:49:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021030144922.42037.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:49:22 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: So? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0210300549076V.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I figure if I'm trying to sell my car and embark on truly being cageless I might as well start now... If you have rain gear it's not a big deal, IMO. --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Who rode in today? ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 09:50:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UEoMO7010432; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:50:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UEoMjV010428; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:50:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021030145020.33320.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:50:20 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: Virginia Sales Tax Hike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5282096@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii State troopers don't give a rats ass about county stickers. The only concern they have is vaild inspection and tags. This is the same for other counties too. For instance, a Faquier county cop can't give me a ticket for not having a Fairfax decal. Glenn --- Rich Hall wrote: > When I used to work in Sterling, state troopers were > regulars at the 28 exit > off the Toll Road, looking for stickers. I'd just > count the # of cars > parked after the toll booths, I think only one booth > was manned, so more > than one car meant it was time for me to sloooow > down and wave. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 10:00:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UF0CO7010527; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:00:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UF0BKD010517; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:00:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F696F@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: So? Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:59:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I rode in. Traffic was pretty bad but I only have a 17 mile commute (Annandale to Georgetown). Every morning I stuff my riding jacket, pants, helmet and gloves into the trunk of the car so I can take my daughter to daycare in the cage (since she's 1 year old now, she no longer fits in the tankbag :) ). This way I can come home, jump out of the car and hop on the bike without going back inside, saves me some time. Some mornings I look at the traffic and head for the bus stop instead, but today I didn't want to walk around in my Sidi boots so I took the bike anyway. It's either get wet on the road, or get wet walking from Foggy Bottom Metro. I discovered the hard way that washing my MotoPort pants ruined the waterproofing (good thing I wore dark slacks today.) Combined with wear and tear I'm definitely in the market for new pants but I haven't found anything I like. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Washington, DC If Milli Vanilli fell in the woods, would someone else make a sound ? Who rode in today? Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 10:09:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UF9nO7010616; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:09:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UF9mAe010608; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:09:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Marc Washington" To: cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So? Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:07:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2002 15:08:00.0275 (UTC) FILETIME=[22EB3E30:01C28026] I rode in to work, about a 20 minute ride through Rock Creek Park from NW to SW. No problem, just misty and cold. Traction was fine. Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk >Who rode in today? > >I caved. > >Rain in the morning ending at noon: No problem. >Rain all day: Well... >Freezing rain: Umm... >Snow: "Is the truck gassed up?" > >So the truck's outside. > >Carl >-- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 >FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 10:24:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UFOZO7010727; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:24:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UFOZgc010717; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:24:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So? Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:24:22 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20021030144922.42037.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021030144922.42037.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02103010242279.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 30 October 2002 09:49, matthew patton wrote: > I figure if I'm trying to sell my car and embark on truly being > cageless I might as well start now... If you have rain gear it's not a > big deal, IMO. > Yea but I couldn't find my raindeer this morning even though I hunted through the closet I thought it was in. I'll find it tonight. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 10:32:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UFWCO7010795; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:32:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UFWBRS010787; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:32:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021030103113.0221dbe0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:32:09 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: So? In-Reply-To: <02103010242279.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: <20021030144922.42037.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> <20021030144922.42037.qmail@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:24 AM 10/30/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: >Yea but I couldn't find my raindeer this morning even though I hunted through >the closet I thought it was in. > >I'll find it tonight. Now what the Hell were you looking for a raindeer for? Think they would fly you to work? And why do you keep them in the closet? I assume spell check got carried away with rain gear. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 10:52:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UFqxO7010971; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:52:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UFqwh6010964; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:52:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So? Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:52:49 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20021030144922.42037.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> <5.2.0.5.0.20021030103113.0221dbe0@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.5.0.20021030103113.0221dbe0@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210301052497D.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 30 October 2002 10:32, Troutman wrote: > At 10:24 AM 10/30/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > >Yea but I couldn't find my raindeer this morning even though I hunted > > through the closet I thought it was in. > > > >I'll find it tonight. > > Now what the Hell were you looking for a raindeer for? Think they would > fly you to work? And why do you keep them in the closet? > > I assume spell check got carried away with rain gear. > Nah, no spell checking here. Many times I'll just leave in what I typed in because it sounds funnier and is close to what we were talking about. I was typing "rain gear" and for some reason, "raindeer" came out of my fingers. Hey, I'm an odd sort of guy :-) Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 12:08:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UH8tO7011661; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:08:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UH8s0b011651; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:08:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 30 Oct 2002 17:09:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20021030170946.24526.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: lights, signals - was tax hike... X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Glenn contributed: I wish VDOT would do this with a ton of intersections at night just like they do in the city of Fairfax but why be smart about traffic, VDOT never has... [Dave] Traffic lights, stop signs - what have you are like taxes in that they're pretty easy to impose, near impossible to modify or get rid of... At Doc Gridlock's suggestion, I called FFX county on a couple of lights that were costing me 10 minutes / day on a 3.3 mile commute. Light number one was apparently requested a scant few years earlier for 'pedestrian access'. In 6 months of living nearby, I'd never seen anyone on foot crossing the intersection. Apparently, where there's pedestrian access needed, they won't allow flashing lights at all. 2nd light there was a problem with timing, and they did fix it within 2 days. But, when I suggested a flashing yellow / red after 10 PM for the 'pedestrian' light, I got a really classic run around that I never followed up on. Seems there's not a good way to request a 'reevaluation' of the validity of a traffic control device once it's in place... I'll be glad when the localities start better timing those damn lights on Rt 1. It's obvious in rush hour they *have* tried, but probably a few years back when traffic wasn't as heavy. If I turn on Rt 1 (Alexandria towards Ft. Belvoir) from a green light, I can only make 1 or 2 lights before being stopped... IF I manage to make a right on red onto 1 south, I can make ALL the lights until I turn off of it... AND, all I have to do is go the speed limit or close to it... OFF rush hour however, it's a whole 'nudder ball game... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 13:43:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UIh7O7012360; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:43:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UIh5iw012345; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:43:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514F50@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Cheap heat Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:43:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Some may find this interesting: These are designed to go under your grips. I like the over the grip style better. The heat is closer to your palm and you're not dumping most of the heat into the metal handle bar. I'd get a strip of Cordura, cut and glue the cloth on both sides (pre curve it) and glue Velcro strips to the edges for attaching 'em. Maybe Linda T would sew 'em. $75 Vest: http://members.shaw.ca/sidneymc/e-vest.html Even more information: A toll free number for Sidney Motorcycles: New Toll Free # 1-866-656-3322 In lieu of a HeatTroller, you could mount a switch within easy thumb reach on your mirror stalk. Works dandy for me. Using this switch mount, you could even use a DPDT-center-off switch and have one side with the grips in series, the other in parallel. Mount another switch for the vest. $2 switch, $1.50 for hose clamps, free film cassette, wire, solder; yer good to go. Carl in Bethesda (now own a Gerbing vest & gloves, HeatTroller) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 13:55:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UItQO7012455; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:55:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UItQE9012447; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:55:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:55:17 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: So? In-Reply-To: <0210300549076V.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > Who rode in today? Not me. Also caved yesterday after running some errands on the bike -- got cold enough, in fact, that I just rode straight home and shivered in a hot bath for about an hour before my brain thawed and I could begin functioning[1] again. I really need some better cold-weather gear. This Streamliner, while nice, just doesnae quite cut it. Fish. 92 Suzuki GS500E 78 Wajvoda Ball 'n' Chain [1] If I can be considered to function at all, that is. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 14:51:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UJplO7012838; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:51:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UJpltq012828; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:51:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021030195144.46129.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:51:44 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: SPAM - my friend needs a VB job To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone know of any VB openings in the DC / Bal'mer area? Thanks, Rich __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 15:30:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UKUHO7013107; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:30:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UKUGQu013101; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:30:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001401c28052$07c4d950$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: So? Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:22:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 I drove a cage today.... Yesterday I rode my bike to work but it rained on the way back home. Rain itself was ok but what the F@*# with the traffic!!!! it took me over an hour from DC to Alexandria!!! First I took 19th St it was crappy, then ran off to 21st St still bad and then went to 23rd St even worse.... Is there any back rode out of DC to Memorial Bride? 14th St bride was a nightmare.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:55 PM Subject: Re: So? > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > Who rode in today? > > Not me. Also caved yesterday after running some errands on the bike -- got > cold enough, in fact, that I just rode straight home and shivered in a hot > bath for about an hour before my brain thawed and I could begin > functioning[1] again. > > I really need some better cold-weather gear. This Streamliner, while nice, > just doesnae quite cut it. > > Fish. > 92 Suzuki GS500E > 78 Wajvoda Ball 'n' Chain > > [1] If I can be considered to function at all, that is. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 15:58:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UKwpO7013282; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:58:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UKwokA013271; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:58:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004601c28056$0e0e5bc0$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: Home sweet home ( was VTR 1000) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:51:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 I was checking out the VTR 1000 SuperHawk mailing list archives at www.runlevelzero.net since my Hawk has 10k miles and may be nearing to have the Camchain tensioners problem... While looking though I came across a web page of one of the lister; http://www.rocketjockeyracing.com/JapanPics/ Looks like this guy is really having a good time in Japan... a place where you can get bike stuff at a neighborhood stores! (oh and geeky PC stuff too) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 16:11:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ULBvO7013404; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:11:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9ULBuUw013397; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:11:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021030211154.77845.qmail@web20704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:11:54 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: So? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001401c28052$07c4d950$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii go west onto US-50, take the immediate exit for Rosslyn. Go to 110 toward Pentagon, get onto 395 S (HOV). Problem is, I don't know where you want to go after that. ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 19:04:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9V04OO7015303; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:04:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9V04Nwu015293; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:04:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DC09E4C.D20AA71@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:06:52 -0800 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club- U.S.A. http:www.soc-usa.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So? References: <0210300549076V.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out001.verizon.net from [141.157.125.72] at Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:04:12 -0600 Carl Schelin wrote: > Who rode in today? > Carl, I did. Yesterday and today No cages for me. Frogg Toggs, Aerostitch glove rain covers and Exigent boot rain covers. All worked great. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 19:42:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9V0gCO7015514; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:42:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9V0gCSi015507; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:42:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DC0A72F.C91A55DA@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:44:47 -0800 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club- U.S.A. http:www.soc-usa.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scratch CC: DCC Subject: Re: SPAM - my friend needs a VB job References: <20021030195144.46129.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop015.verizon.net from [141.157.125.72] at Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:42:01 -0600 Scratch wrote: > Anyone know of any VB openings in the DC / Bal'mer > area? > > Thanks, > > Rich Rich, I don't think you can get Victoria Bitters around here. The Australians don't export it yet. LOL Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 19:57:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9V0vOO7015618; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:57:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9V0vOvA015611; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:57:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021030194212.00a8d080@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:44:36 -0500 To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: So? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3DC09E4C.D20AA71@verizon.net> References: <0210300549076V.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:06 PM 10/30/02 -0800, Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: >Carl Schelin wrote: > > > Who rode in today? > > > > Carl, > I did. Yesterday and today No cages for me. Frogg Toggs, > Aerostitch >glove rain covers and Exigent boot rain covers. All worked great. If I could have found my rain pants, I probably would have ridden in. The freezing and snow was for the higher elevations. I'm not keen on showing up to work with two large wet spots on my ass :-) which is what I had when I got home yesterday. My feet were a _little_ wet and my hands were cold. I didn't use my scarf under my chin so my neck was icy, damn updraft. Other than that though, I was fairly warm. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 20:28:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9V1SOO7015787; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:28:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9V1SO0m015777; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:28:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <016301c2807c$ca06ab90$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "Master Thomas Staney" To: , References: Subject: Re: So? Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:28:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I rode at work today, but it doesn't seem the same. I work at the cycle shop. I had the most fun on the CR85. Kind of funny to watch a 300 pound guy on a little bike like that. Scott > >Who rode in today? > > > >I caved. > > > >Rain in the morning ending at noon: No problem. > >Rain all day: Well... > >Freezing rain: Umm... > >Snow: "Is the truck gassed up?" > > > >So the truck's outside. > > > >Carl > >-- > > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 > >FXSTI) > > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 30 20:42:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9V1g0O7015878; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:42:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9V1g0W4015868; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:42:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021030202843.00a768a0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:29:13 -0500 To: "Master Thomas Staney" , From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: So? In-Reply-To: <016301c2807c$ca06ab90$9865fea9@Godzilla> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Probably not much better than a 265 pound guy on my wife's 250 :-) Carl At 08:28 PM 10/30/02 -0500, Master Thomas Staney wrote: >I rode at work today, but it doesn't seem the same. I work at the cycle >shop. I had the most fun on the CR85. Kind of funny to watch a 300 pound >guy on a little bike like that. > >Scott > > > > > >Who rode in today? > > > > > >I caved. > > > > > >Rain in the morning ending at noon: No problem. > > >Rain all day: Well... > > >Freezing rain: Umm... > > >Snow: "Is the truck gassed up?" > > > > > >So the truck's outside. > > > > > >Carl > > >-- > > > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 > > >FXSTI) > > > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. > > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 07:56:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VCuRO7019387; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:56:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VCuPhC019377; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:56:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:56:23 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Sucky mileage Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As I pulled out of the driveway this morning, I couldn't remember how many miles I had left in the tank, so just to be safe I tanked up. Now that I can check my logs, I find... 11 October: Tank up, odo: 19166. Odo is 19196 at end of day. 12 October - 28 October: Bike lies idle in the garage. 29 October: Short ride, odo -> 19244. 30 October: idle. 31 October: Tank up, odo: 19248. Gas added? 2.001 gallons. Eh? When I tanked up on 11 October, I got 48.64 mpg, which I considered somewhat low. Now I'm only getting 41 mpg. What's up with that? Does mileage suffer that much in the cold and rain, or am I piddling gas all over the garage floor? My riding habits haven't changed. Mostly highway riding, some small local-twisty stuff. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 08:10:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VDAFO7019503; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:10:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VDACad019488; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:10:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DC12CF8.591E7A1E@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:15:36 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Sucky mileage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > As I pulled out of the driveway this morning, I couldn't remember how many > miles I had left in the tank, so just to be safe I tanked up. Now that I > can check my logs, I find... > > 11 October: Tank up, odo: 19166. Odo is 19196 at end of day. > 12 October - 28 October: Bike lies idle in the garage. > 29 October: Short ride, odo -> 19244. > 30 October: idle. > 31 October: Tank up, odo: 19248. Gas added? 2.001 gallons. > > Eh? When I tanked up on 11 October, I got 48.64 mpg, which I considered > somewhat low. Now I'm only getting 41 mpg. What's up with that? Does > mileage suffer that much in the cold and rain, or am I piddling gas all > over the garage floor? > > My riding habits haven't changed. Mostly highway riding, some small > local-twisty stuff. > > Fish. And what is the displacement? My old 550 got close to 60 MPG on the highway, probably around 48 in-town. Yes, cold weather will affect milage because you have to keep the engine on choke/enrichment longer to warm the beast up. The shorter the voyage, the worse the milage. Cold fuel is denser, so that may have an effect, although air is also denser. I seem to recall cold and damp is bad for milage. Then there's the "becoming one" with your bike factor. You become comfortable on your ride, a tad more brazen with the throttle, crank that wick up! Yahoo! Milage on my 1340cc scoot, about 35 in-town, around 38 at Warp 3 highway speeds (in excess of posted speed to from getting squished by the rapid flow of traffic). It is jetted overly rich at the moment, on my list of fixes. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 08:11:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VDB3O7019532; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:11:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VDB3KN019527; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:11:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Sucky mileage Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:10:50 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210310810507V.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 31 October 2002 07:56, Fish Flowers wrote: > As I pulled out of the driveway this morning, I couldn't remember how many > miles I had left in the tank, so just to be safe I tanked up. Now that I > can check my logs, I find... > > 11 October: Tank up, odo: 19166. Odo is 19196 at end of day. > 12 October - 28 October: Bike lies idle in the garage. > 29 October: Short ride, odo -> 19244. > 30 October: idle. > 31 October: Tank up, odo: 19248. Gas added? 2.001 gallons. > > Eh? When I tanked up on 11 October, I got 48.64 mpg, which I considered > somewhat low. Now I'm only getting 41 mpg. What's up with that? Does > mileage suffer that much in the cold and rain, or am I piddling gas all > over the garage floor? > > My riding habits haven't changed. Mostly highway riding, some small > local-twisty stuff. > I haven't checked the actual mileage lately but I know it's worse that it was. In the meantime though I've added a windshield which probably subtracts from the mileage. > Fish. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 08:16:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VDGlO7019591; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:16:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VDGknC019581; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:16:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021031131638.38935.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 05:16:38 -0800 (PST) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: Sucky mileage To: "William J. Huson" , Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <3DC12CF8.591E7A1E@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pardon me if I am wrong, but don't/Didn't Fuel companies put some sort of additive in gasoline during the winter months that was/is supposed to cut down on emissions or something? If this is true, would this additive effect fuel economy? Nick --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Fish Flowers wrote: > > > As I pulled out of the driveway this morning, I > couldn't remember how many > > miles I had left in the tank, so just to be safe I > tanked up. Now that I > > can check my logs, I find... > > > > 11 October: Tank up, odo: 19166. Odo is 19196 at > end of day. > > 12 October - 28 October: Bike lies idle in the > garage. > > 29 October: Short ride, odo -> 19244. > > 30 October: idle. > > 31 October: Tank up, odo: 19248. Gas added? 2.001 > gallons. > > > > Eh? When I tanked up on 11 October, I got 48.64 > mpg, which I considered > > somewhat low. Now I'm only getting 41 mpg. What's > up with that? Does > > mileage suffer that much in the cold and rain, or > am I piddling gas all > > over the garage floor? > > > > My riding habits haven't changed. Mostly highway > riding, some small > > local-twisty stuff. > > > > Fish. > > And what is the displacement? My old 550 got close > to 60 MPG on the highway, > probably around 48 in-town. Yes, cold weather will > affect milage because you > have to keep the engine on choke/enrichment longer > to warm the beast up. The > shorter the voyage, the worse the milage. Cold fuel > is denser, so that may > have an effect, although air is also denser. I seem > to recall cold and damp > is bad for milage. > > Then there's the "becoming one" with your bike > factor. You become comfortable > on your ride, a tad more brazen with the throttle, > crank that wick up! Yahoo! > > Milage on my 1340cc scoot, about 35 in-town, around > 38 at Warp 3 highway > speeds (in excess of posted speed to from getting > squished by the rapid flow > of traffic). It is jetted overly rich at the > moment, on my list of fixes. > > Bill > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 08:16:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VDGvO7019618; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:16:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VDGvOp019613; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:16:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY6OEkVjmsTY63bb2q7ZojXotkibhu2bsJy0Hr3QdrHC+6sgC7mfkGxWB1/Xqes4VQ= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Sucky mileage Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:16:48 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c280df$c5245470$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Fish, You're only adding two gallons. A small difference in what is "full" makes a big difference in your calculated mileage. e.g. two rides, two fill-ups, both used 2 gallons: 90 miles, 2.125 gallons = 42 mpg 90 miles, 1.875 gallons = 48 mpg. That's a difference of one pint each way. A variation in the concrete can tip your bike enough one way or t'uther and let you add/not add that pint, and probably a bit more. I understand your concern, though, so keep tracking your mileage. If you used to consistently hover around 48 mpg, and you now consistently see low 40s, then something has changed.... --jon -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:56 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Sucky mileage As I pulled out of the driveway this morning, I couldn't remember how many miles I had left in the tank, so just to be safe I tanked up. Now that I can check my logs, I find... 11 October: Tank up, odo: 19166. Odo is 19196 at end of day. 12 October - 28 October: Bike lies idle in the garage. 29 October: Short ride, odo -> 19244. 30 October: idle. 31 October: Tank up, odo: 19248. Gas added? 2.001 gallons. Eh? When I tanked up on 11 October, I got 48.64 mpg, which I considered somewhat low. Now I'm only getting 41 mpg. What's up with that? Does mileage suffer that much in the cold and rain, or am I piddling gas all over the garage floor? My riding habits haven't changed. Mostly highway riding, some small local-twisty stuff. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 08:20:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VDKrO7019674; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:20:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VDKqaM019666; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:20:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: Sucky mileage Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:20:00 -0600 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230770A8CE@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Sucky mileage Thread-Index: AcKA4Eu4TqPJXKMiT7qyXJ4dcBtkYQ== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g9VDKpO7019654 I think the Gas stations start using that crappy oxygenated gas in the Fall though the Winter George >>> Fish Flowers 10/31/02 07:56AM >>> "Now I'm only getting 41 mpg. What's up with that? Does mileage suffer that much in the cold and rain, or am I piddling gas all over the garage floor? My riding habits haven't changed. Mostly highway riding, some small local-twisty stuff. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 08:54:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VDsbO7019883; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:54:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VDsbT7019873; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:54:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:54:34 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Sucky mileage In-Reply-To: <3DC12CF8.591E7A1E@patriot.net> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, William J. Huson wrote: > And what is the displacement? 487 -- 1992 GS500E. My "lifetime" mileage is about 51 mpg (since I started keeping track, on 16 September, I've ridden 1245 miles, and added about 24.3 gallons of 87-proof). Jon's point that it might just be a slight variation in the actual amount of fuel put in is a valid one. Hmm. Guess I'll just keep taking notes. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 08:58:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VDwMO7019938; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:58:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VDwLkU019923; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:58:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021031135819.41534.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 05:58:19 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Re: SPAM - my friend needs a VB job To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Cc: DCC In-Reply-To: <3DC0A72F.C91A55DA@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry. I thought everyone would know what Visual Basic was. What's an Australian? Rich --- "Steven C. Di Pietro" wrote: > > I don't think you can get Victoria > Bitters around here. The > Australians don't export it yet. LOL > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 09:12:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VECjO7020059; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:12:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VECi6b020049; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:12:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DC13A04.78619F55@tasam.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:11:16 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia Sales Tax Hike References: <20021029212218.85035.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.5.2.20021029182232.00bcfaa8@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > > At 06:13 PM 10/29/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Mark Kitchell" > >At some point, NOVA will just merege > > > with Charlottesville. Onw big long line of Wendy's, > > > Exxon and Ford Dealerships. > > > > >Isn't it virtually that already? When I was in school at UVa (not *that* > >long ago) there were exactly two traffic lights on 29 between C'ville and > >I-66. Now, there are too many to count, along with a plethora of > >mega-Sheetzes that seem to sprout like mushrooms each time I make the > >trip.... > > > >Paul in DC > >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F > > I remember when living out in Leesburg was considered living way, way WAY out > in the boonies. when I grew up in Great Falls, it was 'cornfields and cow pastures'. does anyone else here remember "Buck's"? Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 09:22:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VEMhO7020122; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:22:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VEMg93020112; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:22:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001301c280e7$e105a740$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: NESBA track day 11/2 (Sat) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:14:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Is anyone going to NESBA track day at Summit Point (Jefferson) this Sat 11/2? I'll be there with a SuperHawk. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 09:34:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VEYZO7020215; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:34:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VEYXB8020208; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:34:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021031143430.90009.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:34:30 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Sucky mileage To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's been my experience that short trips and sitting idle hurts fuel mileage. 48 down to 41 isn't that much. Sounds about normal to me. Leon. --- Fish Flowers wrote: > As I pulled out of the driveway this morning, I > couldn't remember how many > miles I had left in the tank, so just to be safe I > tanked up. Now that I > can check my logs, I find... > > 11 October: Tank up, odo: 19166. Odo is 19196 at end > of day. > 12 October - 28 October: Bike lies idle in the > garage. > 29 October: Short ride, odo -> 19244. > 30 October: idle. > 31 October: Tank up, odo: 19248. Gas added? 2.001 > gallons. > > Eh? When I tanked up on 11 October, I got 48.64 mpg, > which I considered > somewhat low. Now I'm only getting 41 mpg. What's up > with that? Does > mileage suffer that much in the cold and rain, or am > I piddling gas all > over the garage floor? > > My riding habits haven't changed. Mostly highway > riding, some small > local-twisty stuff. > > Fish. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 09:53:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VErPO7020340; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:53:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VErOKH020330; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:53:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <23.26d25448.2af29ddf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:53:19 EST Subject: Re: So? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/30/2002 8:42:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > Probably not much better than a 265 pound guy on my wife's 250 :-) How about 6ft. 4in. and 250 pounds riding an MSF demo on a Suzuki GN125? "Always watch the demonstration carefully, if the instructor screws up you do not want to be the only one who misses it." (me) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 09:55:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VEt5O7020391; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:55:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VEt5vF020381; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:55:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DC14590.46BAA0A8@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:00:33 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Sucky mileage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, William J. Huson wrote: > > > And what is the displacement? > > 487 -- 1992 GS500E. My "lifetime" mileage is about 51 mpg (since I started > keeping track, on 16 September, I've ridden 1245 miles, and added about > 24.3 gallons of 87-proof). YIPES! Mine was a GS550E, 4-cyl, DOHC, two valves per cyl - 1981 technology. I burned cheap gas, known to travel at Warp 3 on the highway. Actual speed unknown at times, dern thing had Joan Claybrook speedo - max read 85. But 58 MPH was my highway milage, very consistant. I'd punched out the California airbox sound baffle and added a Quicksilver frame mount fairing, which undeniably helped clean the airflow at highway speeds. P&F cycles in Dover DE has an old Quicksilver for sale = $100. Assuming your `92 GS550E is a standard bike like my `81, it should fit fine. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 10:15:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VFFGO7020570; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:15:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VFFCpg020560; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:15:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DC14A48.EC2288E2@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:20:40 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So? References: <23.26d25448.2af29ddf@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > How about 6ft. 4in. and 250 pounds riding an MSF demo on a Suzuki GN125? > Ha! I feel your pain. I'm only 6ft and 175 pounds, but it's hard to keep the knees in and elbows tucked on those dinky 125s. Sort of like a doing a demo ride on a tricycle for the wee ones. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 10:27:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VFRCO7020654; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:27:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VFRBqm020647; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:27:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'William J. Huson'" , Cc: Subject: RE: So? Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:39:01 -0500 Message-ID: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F5020079A3F@MAINSERVER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F5020086DE5@MAINSERVER> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal >>> How about 6ft. 4in. and 250 pounds riding an MSF demo on a Suzuki GN125? A cop friend of mine, 6'3 or so and nicknamed Big Al tells a story about riding his Yamaha Exciter 185 past a bunch of fellow officers at Police Week one year. They pulled him over and wrote him a ticket for Cruelty to Motorcycles. -p -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:21 AM To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So? PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > How about 6ft. 4in. and 250 pounds riding an MSF demo on a Suzuki GN125? > Ha! I feel your pain. I'm only 6ft and 175 pounds, but it's hard to keep the knees in and elbows tucked on those dinky 125s. Sort of like a doing a demo ride on a tricycle for the wee ones. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 11:16:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VGG9O7021062; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:16:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VGG81g021052; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:16:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:17:43 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Kimpex grip heaters locally?? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Its getting cold... need heat ASAP... anyone stock these locally? Dan -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 11:20:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VGKWO7021119; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:20:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VGKUTb021104; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:20:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002101c280f8$557dfcc0$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> From: "Shigeru Honda" To: References: Subject: Re: Kimpex grip heaters locally?? Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:12:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 I've seen it at Bob's BMW at Jessup, MD (near I95 + Rt 32). Thou not sure what the brand was... ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan" To: Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: Kimpex grip heaters locally?? > Its getting cold... need heat ASAP... anyone stock these locally? > > Dan > > -- > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 14:07:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VJ7XO7022233; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:07:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VJ7V1A022222; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:07:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZBiVLLIOe1XWizmdYsBeBhWMF8d7sbsX47H8/LH7IVuQTNIZu3ZXF4Llq4s35wtL4= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: must-have mofo accessory Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:07:13 -0500 Message-ID: <004001c28110$c0543880$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal http://www.fmhelmets.co.uk/loptoff.html --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 14:23:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VJNgO7022384; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:23:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VJNgCo022376; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:23:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Jon Strang" , "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: must-have mofo accessory Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:23:31 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <004001c28110$c0543880$070312ac@ddlomni.com> In-Reply-To: <004001c28110$c0543880$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02103114233189.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 31 October 2002 14:07, Jon Strang wrote: > http://www.fmhelmets.co.uk/loptoff.html > > --jon Tested to 175MPH? Sure that's not 175KPH since it's a .uk site? The cat ears look odd, must be a long hair. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 15:01:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VK1DO7022693; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:01:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VK1CXV022688; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:01:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021031200109.9001.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:01:09 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: must-have mofo accessory To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: <02103114233189.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The UK still measures distances in miles. Their motorcycles come with mile-based speedos and odometers. It's one of the few non-metric measurements left there, I think. Chris --- Carl Schelin wrote: > On Thursday 31 October 2002 14:07, Jon Strang wrote: > > http://www.fmhelmets.co.uk/loptoff.html > > > > --jon > > Tested to 175MPH? Sure that's not 175KPH since it's > a .uk site? > > The cat ears look odd, must be a long hair. > > Carl > -- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, > Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for > phone and address > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 15:03:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VK3RO7022740; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:03:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VK3RXm022732; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:03:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021031150240.02834d08@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:03:10 -0500 To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: must-have mofo accessory In-Reply-To: <20021031200109.9001.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <02103114233189.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:01 PM 10/31/2002, Chris Weaver wrote: >The UK still measures distances in miles. Their >motorcycles come with mile-based speedos and >odometers. It's one of the few non-metric measurements >left there, I think. > >Chris ...and the only reason they're doing THAT is to just piss us yanks off. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 15:09:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VK9SO7022812; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:09:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VK9RBW022804; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:09:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: must-have mofo accessory Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:09:18 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20021031200109.9001.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021031200109.9001.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210311509188C.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ah, I thought we were the last and it was creeping up on us. Carl On Thursday 31 October 2002 15:01, Chris Weaver wrote: > The UK still measures distances in miles. Their > motorcycles come with mile-based speedos and > odometers. It's one of the few non-metric measurements > left there, I think. > > Chris > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > On Thursday 31 October 2002 14:07, Jon Strang wrote: > > > http://www.fmhelmets.co.uk/loptoff.html > > > > > > --jon > > > > Tested to 175MPH? Sure that's not 175KPH since it's > > a .uk site? > > > > The cat ears look odd, must be a long hair. > > > > Carl > > -- > > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, > > Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for > > phone and address > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 15:24:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VKONO7022988; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:24:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VKOMoS022980; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:24:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021031202415.77598.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:24:15 -0800 (PST) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: must-have mofo accessory To: Carl Schelin , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: <0210311509188C.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Leave it to the English to invent something that either leaks oil or compicates things (inventing the mile as a measurement, or Lucas Electronics that are prone to fail). Nick --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Ah, I thought we were the last and it was creeping > up on us. > > Carl > > > On Thursday 31 October 2002 15:01, Chris Weaver > wrote: > > The UK still measures distances in miles. Their > > motorcycles come with mile-based speedos and > > odometers. It's one of the few non-metric > measurements > > left there, I think. > > > > Chris > > > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > > On Thursday 31 October 2002 14:07, Jon Strang > wrote: > > > > http://www.fmhelmets.co.uk/loptoff.html > > > > > > > > --jon > > > > > > Tested to 175MPH? Sure that's not 175KPH since > it's > > > a .uk site? > > > > > > The cat ears look odd, must be a long hair. > > > > > > Carl > > > -- > > > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun > CSA/CNA, > > > Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > > > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for > > > phone and address > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > > -- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, > Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for > phone and address > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 16:30:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VLUGO7023458; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:30:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VLUFa8023450; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:30:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Where to buy gloves? Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:59:33 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 23 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: MmcqQU1JKS1gZmReSmY3W1RBTV4+WFM1YS1EWzEvSDkoTFJM Message-Id: <20021031213008.GBKA16189.mtiwmhc14.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc09> Where is a good place to go to buy good cold weather motorcycle gloves in NO.Va.? I would like to avoind Coleman if at all possible, but I don't know where else would have gloves which are actually "designed" for motorcycle use. Also, is there really much of a difference between alleged "motorcycle" gloves and the skiing gloves sold in Hudson Trail? BTW: People were asking yesterday about who rode in during the rain... I rode in on every cold, rainy day this week and I don't even have a windshield... (25 min. communte Arlington to Fairfax) -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 16:46:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VLk4O7023569; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:46:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VLk42i023562; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:46:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004101c28125$d06ad2f0$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> From: "Shigeru Honda" To: , References: <20021031213008.GBKA16189.mtiwmhc14.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc09> Subject: Re: Where to buy gloves? Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:38:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Cyle Sport @ 7800 Richmond Hwy, Alexandria, VA 22306 (703-780-1245) or, Try things on at Coleman to check the size then go order online... :) Ski gloves have less protection when you hit the ground, it may even tear. Motorcycle gloves are very important, I have a friend who lost a digit of finger in an accident... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:59 PM Subject: Where to buy gloves? > Where is a good place to go to buy good cold weather motorcycle gloves in > NO.Va.? I would like to avoind Coleman if at all possible, but I don't know > where else would have gloves which are actually "designed" for motorcycle use. > > Also, is there really much of a difference between alleged "motorcycle" gloves > and the skiing gloves sold in Hudson Trail? > > BTW: People were asking yesterday about who rode in during the rain... I rode > in on every cold, rainy day this week and I don't even have a windshield... > (25 min. communte Arlington to Fairfax) > > -- > Jeremy Purdy > '00 Yamaha V-Star > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 16:52:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VLqNO7023638; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:52:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VLqN9G023630; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:52:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021031164955.02839fb0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:52:01 -0500 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Where to buy gloves? In-Reply-To: <004101c28125$d06ad2f0$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> References: <20021031213008.GBKA16189.mtiwmhc14.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc09> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:38 PM 10/31/2002, Shigeru Honda wrote: >Cyle Sport @ 7800 Richmond Hwy, Alexandria, VA 22306 (703-780-1245) >or, >Try things on at Coleman to check the size then go order online... :) > >Ski gloves have less protection when you hit the ground, it may even tear. >Motorcycle gloves are very important, I have a friend who lost a digit of >finger in an accident... what I used to do was wear a good pair of summer leather motorcycle gloves and then put a pair of large ski gloves over them. As long as both of them together aren't too thick, it gives much more warmth and protection than a single pair of gloves. Also, mittens are much warmer than fingered gloves. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 16:53:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VLrRO7023677; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:53:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VLrRmF023671; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:53:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaSMT1vytdmIKqzZ6Oent5likMIK9avzXc1rgKbg8IBNA+vmDFs+0zPbllzAmCegX4= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Where to buy gloves? Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:53:23 -0500 Message-ID: <004901c28127$efdd98a0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20021031213008.GBKA16189.mtiwmhc14.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc09> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal http://www.newenough.com/ great prices, great people, fast service. --jon -----Original Message----- From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX [mailto:purdyjeremy@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:00 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Where to buy gloves? Where is a good place to go to buy good cold weather motorcycle gloves in NO.Va.? I would like to avoind Coleman if at all possible, but I don't know where else would have gloves which are actually "designed" for motorcycle use. Also, is there really much of a difference between alleged "motorcycle" gloves and the skiing gloves sold in Hudson Trail? BTW: People were asking yesterday about who rode in during the rain... I rode in on every cold, rainy day this week and I don't even have a windshield... (25 min. communte Arlington to Fairfax) -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 18:19:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VNJJO7024240; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:19:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VNJIZw024232; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:19:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <145.1acdaa5.2af3145c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:18:52 EST Subject: Re: must-have mofo accessory To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/31/2002 3:24:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, sfdaytona@XXXXXX writes: > Leave it to the English to invent something that > either leaks oil or compicates things Three words: British Standard Wrenches. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Oct 31 19:32:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA10WFO7025631; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:32:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA10WElR025624; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:32:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021101003212.84677.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:32:12 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: RE: Where to buy gloves? (Delurking) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200211010000.gA10008h024756@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Jon Strang" http://www.newenough.com/ great prices, great people, fast service. ======= Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, I'm delurking after having been on D-mode for a week or so. I see the signal to noise ratio hasn't improved too much in the last year or two since I last unsubscribed and I also notice many of you have yet to master the intricate art of Cut/Paste when responding to a l-o-n-g post ;) Speaking of gloves, I got some TourMaster winter gloves from Chaparral for about $50. They served me well even in the rains this week (yeah, I ride every day). Of course, my commute is only about five miles, but M Street can be kind of tricky :) I've never used heated grips, but I do have a Gerbing jacket liner. This zips up to enclose all of my neck. The liner really kicks out the heat and I need at least two layers underneath or else it gets too hot (!) If you have more heat keeping your chest warm, your body will have increased capacity to keep your extremities warm too. John Kozyn, Arlington (D-mode) 1999 Ducati 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/