From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 00:02:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9142lSi032106; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:02:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9142kEW032100; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:02:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021001040244.94402.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:02:44 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Sold my car...looking for bike opinions... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <006901c268e8$a5b04810$9865fea9@Godzilla> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "S. Russell" wrote: > Cycles USA has 954's for sale under invoice. They ordered a few more > and > selling them low. I don't know what MFI's prices are but the 954 is the only thing they have on their floor it seems. Though in an amazing display of newbie-sensitivity, they have 3 Ninja 250's and 1 EX500. If I didn't know better and only had their showroom to go by, Honda only makes the 954 and some cruisers. ===== I'll believe in evolution when you show me 10^50 blind people solving their scrambled Rubik's Cubes simultaneously. -- Sir Fred Hoyle __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 06:09:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91A9vSi001809; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:09:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91A9uXW001798; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:09:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" Subject: Re: Toolkit Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:08:28 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: DC-Cycles References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210010608280H.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 30 September 2002 15:20, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: > Check out those little key chain LED lights they are really bright and only > weigh in at a couple of ounces. They are great I have one on every keychain > I have. A lot smaller than a Magi light. > Yea but you don't know what I have on my keychain now: 4 keyrings keyring 1 (on a detachable ring so I can start the truck, lock it, and still get in when it's warm): Truck ignition key Bike key Car key keyring 2: Bike security fob (it's like a small pancake or the size of a half dollar but four times as thick) keyring 3: Microleatherman keyring 4: House key "The Club" key Car key Closet key (to access the switches here at work) Operations key (to access the computer center after scanning my badge to get by the first door) Truck door key Bicycle key Flipper door key (to access my computer books; hey they're not cheap). I already have to move the keys to my rear pocket when putting on my chaps. I only took the house and car keys when we went to Idaho and I kept thinking I'd lost them. I do have one of the mini Mag lights but it's by the home computers so I can install stuff and plug in things without dragging the box to the light. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 06:14:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91AECSi001868; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:14:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91AECiL001857; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:14:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Lisa Goddard , dccycles Subject: Re: missing helmet Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:12:44 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210010612440I.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 30 September 2002 21:39, Lisa Goddard wrote: > I thought about the ID in the helmet too but here are my thoughts. If they > were sleazy enough to grab my helmet with me no more than 20 yards down the > road (believe me, I can't push my bike any further than that) then they > might be sleazy enough to come to my house and grab a motorcycle to match > their new helmet!!! There is no way that they could have grabbed my helmet > and missed me pushing my bike along the curb less than 20 yards later, > there are no cross streets or driveways or I would have pulled off there in > the first place. > Good thought. Maybe some minimal contact information. I was thinking of the good samariton situation. Perhaps a business card (not that _I_ have any) with one of the major e-mail service addresses. "If found please send an e-mail to LisasLostHelmet@XXXXXX for reward information." Carl > From: Carl Schelin > To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Missing Helmet!!! long, sorry I am mad. > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:40:27 -0400 > > On Tuesday 24 September 2002 12:28, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 9/23/2002 10:15:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > lisagoddard@XXXXXX writes: > > > "my helmet is not where > > > I left it no more than 10 minutes ago" > > > > That sucks. You can hope it was a good Samaritan who thought it had > > fallen > > > off of someones bike and is trying to get it back to its owner. And I can > > fly. > > Just a whacky thought. How many of us have contact information in the > helmet? > My wife gave me a red cross type card in a plastic holder that I put in the > liner of the helmet. I've seen the sticker types that go on the outside of > the helmet instructing people not to remove the helmet in case of accident > as > well as contact info. > > Carl > > -- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 > FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 06:20:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91AKgSi001930; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:20:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91AKfCo001923; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:20:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 05:20:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: missing helmet In-Reply-To: <0210010612440I.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > "If found please send an e-mail to LisasLostHelmet@XXXXXX for > reward information." Heh. The problem with that, of course, is wading through all the "Live Nude Girlllllz!" and "Herbal Viagra WORKS!" to find the email you're hoping to get. Then again, I suppose you wouldn't have to look at the inbox until your helmet actually got lost, so it's not that big a deal... Fish. enjoys wading through live nude girls, actually From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 06:28:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91ASDSi002092; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:28:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91ASDUb002084; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:28:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 05:28:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Bike chain, axle, oops. Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am an idiot. Last night I was leaving from a friend's apartment, so I got suited up, warmed the bike up, then took off. Stopped five feet into the parking lot when I heard the *CRUNCH* from the bicycle chain (with integral lock) which I'd used to lock the front wheel to the frame. The cheesy lock popped open (luckily), allowing the chain to do whatever it wanted... which was wrap itself around the axle. Hmm. So, what do I need to check to make certain everything is hunky-dory? The front brake is still working, though I haven't checked the fluid level yet. Wheel spins freely and evenly on the axle. Anything else? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 06:32:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91AWoSi002155; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:32:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91AWofj002142; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:32:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 05:32:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII So SWMBO and I spent some time last night puttering about the place, I leading on my bike, she following in my cage. For part of the time (around dusk) I wasn't wearing my Camelbak; for part of the time (dark), I was. Apparently even with the Camelbak, which has a couple of reflective strips on the back, I'm virtually invisible in the dark. Hmm, not a good situation, since I usually ride in to work in the early wee hours of the morning, while it's still dark. And I can't currently afford food, much less that paragon of visibility the Hi-Viz Yellow 'Stich, so I'm trying to come up with cheap ways to increase my visibility. Any ideas? So far I'm thinkin' reflective tape on the backs of my pant legs, on my helmet, and maybe some reflector plates somehow attached to the bike. Anyone done home-visibility improvements? Fish. saw a goldwing last night lit up like a refinery, now that's high-viz From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 06:37:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91AboSi002199; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:37:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91AboA8002192; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:37:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Drip. Drip. Drip. Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:36:22 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210010636220J.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 26 September 2002 10:49, Fish Flowers wrote: > Good places to get cheap raingear? > K-mart. $20 for a set. Just watch out for the pipes and pegs. Last winter I got a small rip down by the ankle when it caught on the peg. I didn't duct tape it and while riding to work the wind caught it and ripped it off of my leg. I picked up a replacement set of pants for 9 bucks and they've worked great since then. > Fish. > drip Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 06:45:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91AjUSi002270; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:45:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91AjUW1002263; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:45:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Setting to reply to list, was Re: Reckless, was Re: Slightly OT - DC Parking tickets Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:44:02 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020927013924.34360.qmail@web40206.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020927013924.34360.qmail@web40206.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210010644020K.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 26 September 2002 21:39, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > BTW, why is it that the list admin can't (won't?) configure the list > > software to default to reply-to the list? Seems like everyone just does > > a reply all, causing people to get multiple copies of the same messages. > > I don't mind trimming the headers, but 90% of the peeps on the list are > > too lazy to do the same. I won't even mention the lack of snippage :-) > > This can be a dangerous thing to do. *snip* > I think it could be pretty simple to write a routine that would recognize > that the same e-mail address is sending more than, say, 10 messages in one > hour, so lock that account out until it is checked out. But if it isn't > there, watch out! > > Harry is a staff of one. I doubt he'd appreciate the mess. My opinion > only though. > Majordomo lets you set messages as "Bulk" in which most decent vacation programs are configured to ignore them. Can't help on the indecent *cough*Microsoft*cough* software though :-) > Louis > Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 06:51:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91ApTSi002457; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:51:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91ApTOF002450; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:51:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: missing helmet Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:50:00 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0210010650000L.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 01 October 2002 06:20, Fish Flowers wrote: > On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > "If found please send an e-mail to LisasLostHelmet@XXXXXX for > > reward information." > > Heh. The problem with that, of course, is wading through all the "Live > Nude Girlllllz!" and "Herbal Viagra WORKS!" to find the email you're > hoping to get. > Well yea, but I wasn't going to go into setting up your own domain and servers at home with a decent firewall and multiple e-mail addresses you could configure and delete as necessary. > Then again, I suppose you wouldn't have to look at the inbox until your > helmet actually got lost, so it's not that big a deal... > You do have to check the mailbox at least once every 4 months or the account is deactivated. I went to check on a couple of older accounts from yahoo and got the admonation. > Fish. > enjoys wading through live nude girls, actually I stop halfway through, actually. Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 07:34:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91BYTSi002784; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 07:34:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91BYSv9002776; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 07:34:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021001113423.74666.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 04:34:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: WV ticket help To: Carl Parker , DCCycles , dan@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3D990228.53A6F19B@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And too many damn people and houses now too! I'm almost ready to leave the area. Glenn --- Carl Parker wrote: > P.S. > Ya know...I've been feeling really down about living > in this area for > a while now. Maybe it'z cuz I was raised here and > have been around > too long or because there's just getting to be too > much money in > everything...or both. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 08:17:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91CHqSi002994; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:17:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91CHp3a002987; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:17:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021001081429.0234ecf0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 08:17:20 -0400 To: Fish Flowers From: Troutman Subject: Re: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind Cc: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2002 12:17:10.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[77E2CC80:01C26944] At 06:32 AM 10/1/2002, Fish Flowers wrote: >Anyone done home-visibility improvements? I did 3 things that my wife claims helped : 1) Kenya jacket with wide reflective strip 2) Reflective tape artwork all around helmet 3) Manufactured highly reflective VF/VFR lists stickers which I placed above license plate, below brake light directly in cage headlight path. Side reflection is most important IMHO. If you are truly worried, check tapeworks for rim reflection tape. Very effective. Look like an alien. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 08:46:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91CkBSi003193; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:46:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91CkAfR003178; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:46:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] From: "Rob Keiser" To: fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 08:46:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2002 12:46:03.0060 (UTC) FILETIME=[80489F40:01C26948] How about one of those reflective vests that most street workers wear. They can't be too expensive, and they are quite thin. Just a thought. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 05:32:48 -0500 (CDT) So SWMBO and I spent some time last night puttering about the place, I leading on my bike, she following in my cage. For part of the time (around dusk) I wasn't wearing my Camelbak; for part of the time (dark), I was. Apparently even with the Camelbak, which has a couple of reflective strips on the back, I'm virtually invisible in the dark. Hmm, not a good situation, since I usually ride in to work in the early wee hours of the morning, while it's still dark. And I can't currently afford food, much less that paragon of visibility the Hi-Viz Yellow 'Stich, so I'm trying to come up with cheap ways to increase my visibility. Any ideas? So far I'm thinkin' reflective tape on the backs of my pant legs, on my helmet, and maybe some reflector plates somehow attached to the bike. Anyone done home-visibility improvements? Fish. saw a goldwing last night lit up like a refinery, now that's high-viz _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 08:57:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91CvnSi003275; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:57:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91CvnBj003267; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:57:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:57:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200210010857.AA3081306162@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC-Cycles , Fish Flowers Subject: Re: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind X-Mailer: Probably the quickest, easiest, and cheapest ways to increase your conspicuity are: 1. wear a reflective vest. lime green like bicyclists, or orange with lime green stripes like construction workers. This has the added advantage of being in a human shape, which helps recognition. 2. reflective tape on helmet and back of bike Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Fish Flowers Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 05:32:48 -0500 (CDT) >So SWMBO and I spent some time last night puttering about the place, I >leading on my bike, she following in my cage. For part of the time (around >dusk) I wasn't wearing my Camelbak; for part of the time (dark), I was. > >Apparently even with the Camelbak, which has a couple of reflective strips >on the back, I'm virtually invisible in the dark. Hmm, not a good >situation, since I usually ride in to work in the early wee hours of the >morning, while it's still dark. And I can't currently afford food, much >less that paragon of visibility the Hi-Viz Yellow 'Stich, so I'm trying to >come up with cheap ways to increase my visibility. > >Any ideas? So far I'm thinkin' reflective tape on the backs of my pant >legs, on my helmet, and maybe some reflector plates somehow attached to >the bike. Anyone done home-visibility improvements? > >Fish. >saw a goldwing last night lit up like a refinery, now that's high-viz > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 09:17:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91DHNSi003438; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:17:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91DHNP3003429; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:17:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-ID: <00cb01c2694c$a29bb6a0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Returning motorcyclist crashes new Harley in 10 seconds Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:15:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Associated Press Published Oct 1, 2002 HOG02 SAGINAW, Mich. -- Baby boomer Jim Zimmerman's brief fling as a tough biker ended in pain very quickly. The retiree's misadventure began when, facing 60, he gave into a youthful yen and got a local dealership to deliver a brand-new Harley- Davidson to his door. ``It was a mid-age crisis thing,'' Zimmerman admitted last week. ``I'd see these dudes with women and thought a motorcycle would put me in like Flynn. ``I didn't look at the obvious, that I hadn't been on a bike in 30 years and probably didn't remember much about it.'' Ten seconds after he climbed aboard for the first time, he struck a neighbor's utility trailer at 40 mph and broke several ribs. The odometer logged a tenth of a mile. ``It was so fast, and I didn't think fast enough,'' he said. ``I probably panicked and throttled the gas in a death grip. ``Oh my god, I hurt in places I didn't know could hurt. The cops said it's a miracle I'm alive.'' After $2,000 in insured repairs on the bike - and more on the neighbor's trailer - Zimmerman sold his Harley for an $800 loss. But the experience isn't quite over. Until his complimentary membership in the Harley Owners Group runs out, ``I get a mailing every two to three weeks, reminding me of how stupid I was,'' he said. Gary Foreman mailto:gforeman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 10:11:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91EBuSi003926; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:11:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91EBt4C003914; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:11:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Gary Foreman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Returning motorcyclist crashes new Harley in 10 seconds Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:12:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Sounds like he should've taken the MSF course then gotten a bike he could learn on. Damn. I know it makes me laugh that people think that you can't hurt yourself on a Harley. Wrong. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Foreman [mailto:gforeman@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:16 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Returning motorcyclist crashes new Harley in 10 seconds Associated Press Published Oct 1, 2002 HOG02 SAGINAW, Mich. -- Baby boomer Jim Zimmerman's brief fling as a tough biker ended in pain very quickly. The retiree's misadventure began when, facing 60, he gave into a youthful yen and got a local dealership to deliver a brand-new Harley- Davidson to his door. ``It was a mid-age crisis thing,'' Zimmerman admitted last week. ``I'd see these dudes with women and thought a motorcycle would put me in like Flynn. ``I didn't look at the obvious, that I hadn't been on a bike in 30 years and probably didn't remember much about it.'' Ten seconds after he climbed aboard for the first time, he struck a neighbor's utility trailer at 40 mph and broke several ribs. The odometer logged a tenth of a mile. ``It was so fast, and I didn't think fast enough,'' he said. ``I probably panicked and throttled the gas in a death grip. ``Oh my god, I hurt in places I didn't know could hurt. The cops said it's a miracle I'm alive.'' After $2,000 in insured repairs on the bike - and more on the neighbor's trailer - Zimmerman sold his Harley for an $800 loss. But the experience isn't quite over. Until his complimentary membership in the Harley Owners Group runs out, ``I get a mailing every two to three weeks, reminding me of how stupid I was,'' he said. Gary Foreman mailto:gforeman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 10:17:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91EHoSi003978; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:17:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91EHnNt003972; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:17:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021001101407.01bcb2a8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 10:17:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Returning motorcyclist crashes new Harley in 10 seconds In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:12 AM 10/1/2002, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: >Sounds like he should've taken the MSF course then gotten a bike he could >learn on. Damn. I know it makes me laugh that people think that you can't >hurt yourself on a Harley. Wrong. last year while at Patriot, I watched a guy, who obviously never rode a big bike, or maybe no bike at all, pick up a new Electra Glide. They brought it around front where they showed him all the controls including how to start it. After the checkout, he started the bike and rode around the parking lot. The very first time he had to turn he dumped it. He took the turn too wide and hit the curb and the bike flipped on him. Scraped the bike, (and himself), up pretty good. The bike didn't even have a mile on the odo, and it went into the shop. The salesman said he wouldn't be surprised if there was $2k or more in damage to the bike. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 10:21:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91ELHSi004046; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:21:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91ELE21004027; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:21:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbR4xwATZVF62wn1ITkwGcsntYC335aU8q6sLthCAyz609c6WqKVTUhUcKJCxEw15Q= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: If there was any doubt. Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:21:12 -0400 Message-ID: <01a401c26955$cb6d9bd0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00cb01c2694c$a29bb6a0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20020927-4563013.htm Mayor says cameras will make city money By Brian DeBose THE WASHINGTON TIMES D.C. Mayor Anthony A. Williams yesterday said he wants to expand the use of traffic cameras because the city needs the money. "The cameras are about safety and revenue, and the way not to pay that tax is to not be speeding," Mr. Williams said. The mayor's comments were a change from earlier this year, when Mr. Williams told a radio audience in February that the purpose of the traffic cameras was to "calm" dangerous streets )B— not generate revenue for the city. The latest comments also contradict months of disavowals by Metropolitan Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey, who has steadfastly contended that the cameras are about safety, not revenue. But on yesterday's "Ask the Mayor" program on WTOP Radio, Mr. Williams said looming fiscal problems forced the city to get creative in closing a potential $323 million budget deficit. "The only reason we're looking at the enforcement with revenue figures is because we're in such a bind now," Mr. Williams said. D.C. Council member Phil Mendelson, at-large Democrat, who has been skeptical of the city's electronic law-enforcement programs, said the latest expansion is a clear indication that the city is starting to see the cameras as revenue sources. Mr. Williams also discussed on the program his ongoing budget negotiations with the council. He said he is still hoping to gain support for a surcharge tax for the wealthy. Council Chairman Linda W. Cropp, at-large Democrat, said there is no support in the legislative body for income-tax increases. Mr. Williams appeared to back off the initiative, saying, "I'm turning to my own counsel and the people to determine whether I should continue to put up this fight." He said he turned over his final proposal to the council yesterday. The council will hold hearings on the revised budget today and vote on the new fiscal package Tuesday. The budget plan includes significant cuts in new spending, and several more cuts for city agencies. The mayor and the council also have put in several revenue generators, such as an increase in the cigarette tax, and fees for 911 service and fire-code violations, as well as the expanded traffic-camera program. The new budget must be in the hands of Congress by Oct. 2. The expanded camera program was part of the mayor's budget proposal submitted to the D.C. Council this week. The plan calls for five additional speed cameras, bringing the city's total to 10, and exercising the speed-camera function in the District's existing 39 red-light cameras. The "Speed on Green" program will utilize red-light cameras to identify and ticket aggressive speeders, said Kevin Morison, spokesman for the Metropolitan Police Department. "An extra computer chip is installed that tells the camera to photograph vehicles that are traveling above the posted limit when the light is green," he said. Like the photo-radar cameras, a speed threshold will be set for the computers. If a car passes the camera traveling above the threshold, the camera will activate and a citation will be issued. D.C. police have not said what the average speed threshold is, but city officials have told The Washington Times that it is between 9 and 11 miles per hour above the posted speed limit. There will be a 30-day warning period at all new locations before the ticketing process begins, Mr. Morison said. He said there will be no "double-ticket" for motorists who speed and run a red light. The city is looking to implement Speed on Green at a small number of intersections, "probably two to three at first," he said. He said two accident fatalities this year at the intersection of Firth Sterling Avenue and Suitland Parkway SE puts that red-light camera location high on the list for the new system. "We think that Speed on Green, along with the expansion of photo radar, will help us address that problem more effectively," he said. The computer chips for Speed on Green cost about $10,000 per unit. The five new photo-radar vehicles will cost the city about $500,000. City officials said it is too early to estimate how many tickets and how much money will be made from the Speed on Green program. The program's technology does not rely on radar, as the mobile photo-radar vehicles do, Mr. Morison said. The red-light cameras use a time-distance calculation, based on data collected from devices embedded in the roadway, to measure speed. The city also will have to modify its monthly-fixed-fee contract with Affiliated Computer Services Inc. )B— the Dallas-based company running the cameras )B— for the additional services and increased ticket-processing costs. As to the revenue-versus-safety issue, Mr. Morison said, "We have never contended that photo enforcement does not generate revenue. But I think most people recognize that the primary benefit of photo enforcement )B— and the primary motivation )B— remains getting people to slow down." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 11:07:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91F74Si004488; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:07:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91F74ZV004480; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:07:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:02:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: CSS Experience Message-ID: <20021001071300.X67521-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I went down to VIR for the 09/30/02 CSS level 1 class with 3 other friends (2 of which are on DC-Cycles). We all used their ZX6 Ninjas and the school was run on the north course. We arrived at the track around 6:50am. CSS had coffee and other drinks available, along with fresh fruit. We got signed in and grabbed our rented gear. I used their suit, my helmet and Sidi boots. I have full leathers, but figured I would rather crash in theirs than mine ;-) Here are the 5 lessons that were taught in the classroom and reinforced by 5 track sessions: Throttle control: desc - set entry speed with throttle, power on constantly and smoothly through the turn. exercise - 4th gear only, no brake usage on track Turn points: desc - every corner has an ideal turn in point or range where you want to begin your arc thru the corner exercise - turn in points are marked on course, you just have to use them. this exercise was 3-4 gear, no brakes Quick turning: desc - increase speed of turn in and direction changes exercise - practice turning in faster, use marked turn in points, 3-4 gear, light braking allowed Rider input: desc - don't fight the bike or have a death grip on the bars exercise - after turn in, relax upper body/arms, 3-4-5 gear, light braking allowed 2 step turning: desc - look thru the corner a moment before initiating turn in exercise - demonstrate proper turn in by looking thru the corner before turn in, all gears, full brakes The school was well organized and all 4 of us gained a lot of experience in those 5 on track sessions. I was pleased with my on track instructor, too. He provided input and showed me some errors while I was out on track. The school allowed passing anywhere on track, so that minimized the effect of traffic. The only limitation was that you had to be at least 6-8 feet away from the other bikes at all times. When I first mounted the ZX6R it was comfortable. Very light compared to my Busa, but it was gutless below about 11,000 rpm :-) Even above that you could describe it as anemic :-) However, road courses aren't about raw power and the ZX6 was much better than having a more powerful motorcycle. I'm sure it would have been difficult to control a more powerful bike and easier to get into a turn too hot with any more power. We were already well into 5th for the short straight coming out of esses in 5/6 heading into the uphill right in 7. My best lap was 2:04.24. Definately not scorching, but it improved every session throughout the day and it felt pretty quick as it was my first on track bike experience :-). I think the next step for me is track days to practice what I already know, then look at advanced classes. There was 1 student accident. He lowsided in turn 1. They charged him $700 to repair the bike ($750 max). He broke one of the clip ons off the bike and did some other damage. They had the bike ready for the next track session and allowed him to finish the day. If you've never been on track, this is the perfect opportunity to do so with good instruction in a structured environment. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 11:13:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91FD3Si004690; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:13:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91FD2fF004679; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:13:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021001151259.63958.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:12:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: CSS Experience To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021001071300.X67521-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii SOunds alot like my experience there. Its a misconception that if you crash you automatically lose the rest of your day. The important thing is can you explain why you crashed. Mark --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > I went down to VIR for the 09/30/02 CSS level 1 > class with 3 other friends > (2 of which are on DC-Cycles). We all used their > ZX6 Ninjas and the > school was run on the north course. > > We arrived at the track around 6:50am. CSS had > coffee and other drinks > available, along with fresh fruit. We got signed in > and grabbed our > rented gear. I used their suit, my helmet and Sidi > boots. I have full > leathers, but figured I would rather crash in theirs > than mine ;-) > > Here are the 5 lessons that were taught in the > classroom and reinforced by > 5 track sessions: > > Throttle control: > desc - set entry speed with throttle, power on > constantly and smoothly > through the turn. > exercise - 4th gear only, no brake usage on track > > Turn points: > desc - every corner has an ideal turn in point or > range where you want to > begin your arc thru the corner > exercise - turn in points are marked on course, you > just have to use them. > this exercise was 3-4 gear, no brakes > > Quick turning: > desc - increase speed of turn in and direction > changes > exercise - practice turning in faster, use marked > turn in points, 3-4 > gear, light braking allowed > > Rider input: > desc - don't fight the bike or have a death grip on > the bars > exercise - after turn in, relax upper body/arms, > 3-4-5 gear, light braking > allowed > > 2 step turning: > desc - look thru the corner a moment before > initiating turn in > exercise - demonstrate proper turn in by looking > thru the corner before > turn in, all gears, full brakes > > The school was well organized and all 4 of us gained > a lot of experience > in those 5 on track sessions. I was pleased with my > on track instructor, > too. He provided input and showed me some errors > while I was out on > track. The school allowed passing anywhere on > track, so that minimized > the effect of traffic. The only limitation was that > you had to be at > least 6-8 feet away from the other bikes at all > times. > > When I first mounted the ZX6R it was comfortable. > Very light compared to > my Busa, but it was gutless below about 11,000 rpm > :-) Even above that > you could describe it as anemic :-) However, road > courses aren't about > raw power and the ZX6 was much better than having a > more powerful > motorcycle. I'm sure it would have been difficult > to control a more > powerful bike and easier to get into a turn too hot > with any more power. > We were already well into 5th for the short straight > coming out of esses > in 5/6 heading into the uphill right in 7. > > My best lap was 2:04.24. Definately not scorching, > but it improved every > session throughout the day and it felt pretty quick > as it was my first on > track bike experience :-). I think the next step > for me is track days to > practice what I already know, then look at advanced > classes. > > There was 1 student accident. He lowsided in turn > 1. They charged him > $700 to repair the bike ($750 max). He broke one of > the clip ons off the > bike and did some other damage. They had the bike > ready for the next > track session and allowed him to finish the day. > > If you've never been on track, this is the perfect > opportunity to do so > with good instruction in a structured environment. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 11:23:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91FN9Si004790; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:23:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91FN8Lj004782; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:23:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CSS Experience In-Reply-To: <20021001151259.63958.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021001081635.X67521-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > SOunds alot like my experience there. Its a > misconception that if you crash you automatically lose > the rest of your day. The important thing is can you > explain why you crashed. > > Mark Before the class, they said that if you crash your day was over. I assume it's to keep everyone riding within their limits and prevent people from going overboard. Talking to their lead mechanic, he said they average 2 crashes per class. The most he's seen in 1 day is 9! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 11:25:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91FOxSi004829; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:24:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91FOxfZ004820; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:24:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:29:47 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Wayne Edelen cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CSS Experience In-Reply-To: <20021001071300.X67521-100000@magoo.noid.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > (2 of which are on DC-Cycles). We all used their ZX6 Ninjas and the > school was run on the north course. > So how much did it run including bike and gear rental? Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 11:30:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91FUwSi004902; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:30:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91FUwTm004893; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:30:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 08:30:51 -0700 From: To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CSS Experience Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Wayne, Glad to hear you had a good experience and learned some valuable stuff at CSS. I know CSS has it's detractors (for valid reasons) so it's good to know that it worked out well for you. Isn't amazing how much you can learn within the controlled confines of the track and with good instructors/instruction? And I echo Mark's remarks (as one of the 3 other DCC "crashers" at CSS a few years ago) that the important thing is to understand why you crashed (or in this case, your friend) and learn from it. Chuck On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Wayne Edelen wrote: I went down to VIR for the 09/30/02 CSS level 1 class with 3 other friends (2 of which are on DC-Cycles). We all used their ZX6 Ninjas and the school was run on the north course. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 11:31:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91FV5Si004937; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:31:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91FV53U004931; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:31:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 08:31:02 -0700 From: To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CSS Experience Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Wayne, Glad to hear you had a good experience and learned some valuable stuff at CSS. I know CSS has it's detractors (for valid reasons) so it's good to know that it worked out well for you. Isn't it amazing how much you can learn within the controlled confines of the track and with good instructors/instruction? Definitely not something that can be accomplished just street riding. Hopefully, you made a quantum leap. And I echo Mark's remarks (as one of the 3 other DCC "crashers" at CSS a few years ago) that the important thing is to understand why you crashed (or in this case, your friend) and learn from it. Chuck On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Wayne Edelen wrote: I went down to VIR for the 09/30/02 CSS level 1 class with 3 other friends (2 of which are on DC-Cycles). We all used their ZX6 Ninjas and the school was run on the north course. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 11:35:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91FZ4Si005019; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:35:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91FZ4YY005006; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:35:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <55.2e18a0be.2acb1a97@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:34:47 EDT Subject: Re: Returning motorcyclist crashes new Harley in 10 seconds To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 A dealer once told me about a guy came up on a bitter cold day and just had to have a bike. Dealer tried to talk him out of riding it home, said he could deliver it. Rider wanted no part of that. Crashed 4 times on the ice before he got out of the parking lot. In Las Vegas it was not unusual for someone to hit a big win at night and be waiting at the dealers door first thing in the morning. Lots of cash, no brains. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 12:01:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91G1ESi005275; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:01:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91G1DMR005267; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:01:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:56:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CSS Experience In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021001085358.C69486-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, dan wrote: > > (2 of which are on DC-Cycles). We all used their ZX6 Ninjas and the > > school was run on the north course. > > > > So how much did it run including bike and gear rental? ~$600 -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 12:48:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91GmwSi005591; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:48:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91GmvA5005579; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:48:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:44:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CSS Experience In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021001092532.B69486-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Glad to hear you had a good experience and learned some valuable stuff at CSS. > I know CSS has it's detractors (for valid reasons) so it's good to know that > it worked out well for you. Isn't amazing how much you can learn within the > controlled confines of the track and with good instructors/instruction? And I > echo Mark's remarks (as one of the 3 other DCC "crashers" at CSS a few years Yes, it is amazing how much is learned in such a short time when you're able to take the same corner over and over in a controlled environment (and you're not afraid of wrecking your new motorcycle ;-) ). > ago) that the important thing is to understand why you crashed (or in this > case, your friend) and learn from it. It wasn't one of the four of us that crashed, it was just some random dude. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was thinking of pulling the fairings off my Hayabusa, installing sliders and heading up to Summit for a track day soon. What prep do you need to do to a streetbike before hitting the track? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 12:57:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91GvsSi005668; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:57:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91Gvr8m005659; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:57:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D99D550.FC1BD4DC@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 13:03:12 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > So SWMBO and I spent some time last night puttering about the place, I > leading on my bike, she following in my cage. For part of the time (around > dusk) I wasn't wearing my Camelbak; for part of the time (dark), I was. > > Apparently even with the Camelbak, which has a couple of reflective strips > on the back, I'm virtually invisible in the dark. Hmm, not a good > situation, since I usually ride in to work in the early wee hours of the > morning, while it's still dark. And I can't currently afford food, much > less that paragon of visibility the Hi-Viz Yellow 'Stich, so I'm trying to > come up with cheap ways to increase my visibility. > > Any ideas? So far I'm thinkin' reflective tape on the backs of my pant > legs, on my helmet, and maybe some reflector plates somehow attached to > the bike. Anyone done home-visibility improvements? > > Fish. > saw a goldwing last night lit up like a refinery, now that's high-viz I have a spare pair of tail/stop lights. They were illegal when I put them on but I figured I'd never get busted for extra taillights, seeing as how the VA motocops were using them. That makes a total of four red and two amber lights on my ass end, probably add some reflectice tape soon to cover the RUST on the CHEESY Harley chrome. Hi-Vis? Well, back in the early `60s one of my pals painted his `57 Ford ragtop with glow in the dark paint. Looked kinda poopy off-white in daylight, glowed a pale blue at night! His Ford was so tacky it was cool. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 13:41:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91HfeSi006024; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:41:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91Hfdvj006016; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:41:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 10:41:35 -0700 From: To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CSS Experience Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 It depends on the organization running the track day. For example, NESBA www.nesba.com doesn't absolutely require anything special for their beginner and intermediate groups to run at the track other than taping your lights and removing your mirrors (you may even be able to just tape and fold back your mirrors). They recommend disconnecting your headlights and taillight, as well as safety wiring of your oil drain bolt, oil filter, and filler plug. You and your bike have to pass tech inspection. Other clubs/groups may have different requirements (e.g., not running coolant in your radiator and how much tread is on your tires). Pulling expensive bodywork off a nice streetbike is definitely a good idea. As is installing frame sliders. You might want to try one of NESBA's introductory freebie track outing (2 sessions in the morning) to get a feel for a track day before plunking down cash. And check your ego at the door. Despite the mondo motor in your 'Busa having a definite advantage on the long main straight at Summit, you're likely to get passed by much smaller bikes that can carry corner speed in the tighter sections of the track. And having all that motor just may scare the s#%t out of you if you wind it up on the main straight and then have to haul the beast down for Turn 1 which is a pretty slow and tight righthander. But overall, the Summit main course tends to be more "wide open" with higher speed turns than say VIR South so it shouldn't be overly difficult to hustle your 'Busa around it. On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Wayne Edelen wrote: I was thinking of pulling the fairings off my Hayabusa, installing sliders and heading up to Summit for a track day soon. What prep do you need to do to a streetbike before hitting the track? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 13:49:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91HnlSi006105; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:49:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91HnkB1006096; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:49:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:45:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CSS Experience In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021001104132.D69486-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Pulling expensive bodywork off a nice streetbike is definitely a good idea. > As is installing frame sliders. Yes. I might find some rashed plastics on the 'Busa message boards, too. > You might want to try one of NESBA's introductory freebie track outing (2 > sessions in the morning) to get a feel for a track day before plunking down > cash. Thanks, I'll check them out. > And check your ego at the door. Despite the mondo motor in your 'Busa having > a definite advantage on the long main straight at Summit, you're likely to get > passed by much smaller bikes that can carry corner speed in the tighter > sections of the track. And having all that motor just may scare the s#%t out > of you if you wind it up on the main straight and then have to haul the beast > down for Turn 1 which is a pretty slow and tight righthander. But overall, > the Summit main course tends to be more "wide open" with higher speed turns > than say VIR South so it shouldn't be overly difficult to hustle your 'Busa > around it. hehe, 100% chance. I know my 'Busa is a monster on the straights, but I'm sure I can look forward to being passed by 125cc bikes in the corners :-) I have no trouble with that at all. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 15:42:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91JgkSi006872; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:42:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91Jgi5C006858; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:42:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:41:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2002 19:41:37.0756 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E8549C0:01C26982] Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? I was born in DC, raised in Oxon Hill, went to college in Frostburg, moved to Hyattsville after graduation, moved to Annapolis with my bride to be, moved to Gaithersburg because of a job, and here I remain...for now... Other locals? Perry >From: Glenn Dysart >To: Carl Parker , DCCycles , > dan@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: WV ticket help >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 04:34:23 -0700 (PDT) > >And too many damn people and houses now too! I'm >almost ready to leave the area. > >Glenn > >--- Carl Parker wrote: > > P.S. > > Ya know...I've been feeling really down about living > > in this area for > > a while now. Maybe it'z cuz I was raised here and > > have been around > > too long or because there's just getting to be too > > much money in > > everything...or both. > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 15:47:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91JlCSi006922; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:47:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91JlBNA006915; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:47:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:47:03 -0400 From: HiCapMag@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: County Differences Message-ID: <3E92FCE3.0C4B7BC8.00733C8A@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In a message dated Thu, 26 Sep 2002 6:00:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, (someone) writes: > Different counties in VA can do things > very differently. Sometimes there is no talking to > anyone beforehand. Sometimes the cop lies. Sometimes > they take your license away. And how! This tidbit reminded me to pass along some pressing news I have recently learned before Da Judge in Fairfax. Fairfax judges have all agreed to the following policy on sentencing speeders: 90 MPH gets you a night in jail. EVERY MPH over 90 gets you another! So my girlfriend gets a little deep into the pedal on the Beltway her first time driving the 911...she's over to the side within two miles, cop has no radar and no pace but "estimates" she hit 98. We show up for court and the prosecutor wants eight days! Judge Horan must be getting soft in his old age, he only gave her two. Plus a huge fine and six months with no license, all for first offense. Needless to say, we're on appeal, with another lawyer (and another retainer that should have gone into minimally-useful bike accessories.) The policy does work, once you're aware of it -- I watch the dial real close on the now-rare event that I traverse FairCo, Home of Pinhead Policy. Let the list be fairly warned as well! PS: Single best lesson of Pull-over Etiquette is to answer every "do you know why I pulled you, do you know how fast you were going?" question with a very polite "I'm sorry, I simply don't know." They mean it when they say "every thing you say can and will be used against you..." HiCapMag From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 15:52:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91JqESi006985; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:52:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91JqEZB006977; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:52:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021001155138.01c3fdc8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:52:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:41 PM 10/1/2002, Perry Coleman wrote: >Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > >How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? > >I was born in DC, >raised in Oxon Hill, >went to college in Frostburg, >moved to Hyattsville after graduation, >moved to Annapolis with my bride to be, >moved to Gaithersburg because of a job, >and here I remain...for now... > >Other locals? > >Perry gawd no but I've lived here longer than anywhere else. Misawa Japan Chambers Neb Madison Wis. Tulsa Ok Biluxi Miss Colo Springs Co. Yokota AFB Japan Pensacola Fla. *Back* to Misawa Japan Clark AFB Philippines Virginia Beach Va. Reston Va. (since 1982) Herndon Va. where I'll probably die of old age before I move. sheesh..now I'm dizzy..gotta go lay down... 8-P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 15:54:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91JsrSi007029; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:54:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91JsrQA007023; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:54:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021001195451.55673.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:54:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii from alexandria to arlington to potomac to bethesda with an extended stop along the way in college park that i don't remember much --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > > How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? > > I was born in DC, > raised in Oxon Hill, > went to college in Frostburg, > moved to Hyattsville after graduation, > moved to Annapolis with my bride to be, > moved to Gaithersburg because of a job, > and here I remain...for now... > > Other locals? > > Perry > > >From: Glenn Dysart > >To: Carl Parker , DCCycles > , > > dan@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: WV ticket help > >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 04:34:23 -0700 (PDT) > > > >And too many damn people and houses now too! I'm > >almost ready to leave the area. > > > >Glenn __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 15:56:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91JuqSi007081; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:56:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91Juq4B007072; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:56:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021001195649.65859.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:56:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: County Differences To: HiCapMag@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E92FCE3.0C4B7BC8.00733C8A@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- HiCapMag@XXXXXX wrote: > PS: Single best lesson of Pull-over Etiquette is to > answer every "do you know why I pulled you, do you know > how fast you were going?" question with a very polite > "I'm sorry, I simply don't know." They mean it when they > say "every thing you say can and will be used against > you..." and the statement you quote above can be used against you as well, e.g., for failing to observe traffic signs. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:01:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91K1PSi007166; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:01:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91K1Mif007147; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:01:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:06:14 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: HiCapMag@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: County Differences In-Reply-To: <3E92FCE3.0C4B7BC8.00733C8A@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Fairfax judges have all agreed to the following policy on sentencing > speeders: 90 MPH gets you a night in jail. EVERY MPH over 90 gets you > another! I thought it was anywhere in VA. Buddy of mine told me that a few months after I moved up here. Many of the SBN members have spent time in the pokey for 90+ At least they are nice enough to let you serve time on weekends. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:02:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91K28Si007195; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:02:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91K27Mt007190; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:02:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021001200205.16103.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:02:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Me! Born in Fairfax Hospital Live in Annandale for 29 years Now live in Alexandria... Glenn --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > > How many of us, on this list, are native to the > area? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:05:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91K5xSi007241; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:05:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91K5wbI007236; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:05:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021001200556.64377.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:05:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021001155138.01c3fdc8@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's my residential history. I have you beat, Aki. Let's just say I know how to pack a moving box. :^) born: Washington DC Arlington Heidelberg, Germany Arlington Tehran, Iran Arlington Sily, Belgium London, England Alexandria Arlington Falls Church Oakton Manassas Arlington Ashburn Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:07:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91K7gSi007285; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:07:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91K7gnW007276; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:07:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00b801c26986$41f1e060$6501a8c0@laptop> From: "Bruce N" To: References: Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:07:55 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Born in DC in '62, we lived in Potomac. I've lived in Loudoun since '65. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Coleman" > How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:08:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91K8wSi007329; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:08:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91K8wm4007320; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:08:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:08:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g91K8uSi007308 Yep, I be local: I was born in DC (@ Morris Cafritz Mem Hosp) Lived in Clinton (Crestview) Then Croom (er, I mean, Upper Marlboro) Then Gaithersburg for a short bit Then College Park And now Frederick I spent 31 of my 33 years in PG County... Kirk ----- Original Message ----- From: Perry Coleman Sent: 10/1/2002 3:41:37 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" > Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > > How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? > > I was born in DC, > raised in Oxon Hill, > went to college in Frostburg, > moved to Hyattsville after graduation, > moved to Annapolis with my bride to be, > moved to Gaithersburg because of a job, > and here I remain...for now... > > Other locals? > > Perry > > >From: Glenn Dysart > >To: Carl Parker , DCCycles , > > dan@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: WV ticket help > >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 04:34:23 -0700 (PDT) > > > >And too many damn people and houses now too! I'm > >almost ready to leave the area. > > > >Glenn > > > >--- Carl Parker wrote: > > > P.S. > > > Ya know...I've been feeling really down about living > > > in this area for > > > a while now. Maybe it'z cuz I was raised here and > > > have been around > > > too long or because there's just getting to be too > > > much money in > > > everything...or both. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:09:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91K9HSi007370; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:09:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91K9GFB007365; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:09:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 16:08:12 -0400 Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2002 20:09:13.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[692EE3D0:01C26986] Grew up in S.W. DC College in Shepherdstown WV Back to DC then to Arlington Now Alexandria -Rich > From: "Perry Coleman" > Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:41:37 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" > > Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > > How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? > > I was born in DC, > raised in Oxon Hill, > went to college in Frostburg, > moved to Hyattsville after graduation, > moved to Annapolis with my bride to be, > moved to Gaithersburg because of a job, > and here I remain...for now... > > Other locals? > > Perry > >> From: Glenn Dysart >> To: Carl Parker , DCCycles , >> dan@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: WV ticket help >> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 04:34:23 -0700 (PDT) >> >> And too many damn people and houses now too! I'm >> almost ready to leave the area. >> >> Glenn >> >> --- Carl Parker wrote: >>> P.S. >>> Ya know...I've been feeling really down about living >>> in this area for >>> a while now. Maybe it'z cuz I was raised here and >>> have been around >>> too long or because there's just getting to be too >>> much money in >>> everything...or both. >>> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:15:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91KFRSi007446; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:15:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91KFReO007436; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:15:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:15:18 -0400 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640918A@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" Thread-Index: AcJphCJFiTH7ja6YRLyvwu5NjfQmMQAAeV5A From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g91KFQSi007424 At 03:41 PM 10/1/2002, Perry Coleman wrote: >Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > >How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? > Yet another non-local here: Born in Poland. Moved to NYC at age of 12. Then it's onto NJ, PA, Foggy Bottom (school) and now, Vienna, VA. Washington is the biggest "small city" that I've ever seen. Witold http://witold.org/bike/bike.php3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:16:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91KGGSi007480; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:16:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91KGGDS007474; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:16:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021001201614.50797.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:16:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021001161101.01c3ff08@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oops. I forgot that I went to college in Shepherdstown too. (shrug) I drank a lot during that time of my life. > >born: Washington DC > >Arlington > >Heidelberg, Germany > >Arlington > >Tehran, Iran > >Arlington > >Sily, Belgium > >London, England > >Alexandria > >Arlington Shepherdstown, WV > >Falls Church > >Oakton > >Manassas > >Arlington > >Ashburn __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:33:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91KXnSi007717; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:33:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91KXn3U007709; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:33:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002c01c26989$cb0602c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: www.dcstandardbikes.com Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:31:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 How 'bout my fav: www.dcratbikes.com Paul in DC 86 VF500F< > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Sanath S wrote: > > > Just started up http://www.dcsportbikes.com, dedicated to DC area > > riding. > > I have a sudden urge to register http://www.dcstandardbikes.com/. Or > http://www.dctourers.com/? http://www.dcboringbikes.com/? > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:37:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91Kb4Si007773; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:37:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91Kb4TI007768; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:37:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 1 Oct 2002 20:37:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20021001203702.11797.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Also Born in DC @Cafritz Lived in Accokeek, Alexandria, Herndon, Accokeek again, Golden Beach, Indian Head, and now, Alexandria... Dave >> > > Ya know...I've been feeling really down about living >> > > in this area for >> > > a while now. Maybe it'z cuz I was raised here and >> > > have been around >> > > too long or because there's just getting to be too >> > > much money in >> > > everything...or both. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 16:47:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91KlqSi007854; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:47:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91Klpvv007842; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:47:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D9A09AA.5B6144F7@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 16:46:34 -0400 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perry Coleman wrote: > > Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > > How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? Born in NJ Raised in Great Falls Moved to McLean Moved again in McLean Moved to Sterling Moved again in Sterling 33 years in the area... Blue skies, Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 17:48:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91LmESi008176; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:48:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91LmD7W008168; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:48:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <012101c26994$301d5460$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:47:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Fish, you may want to try a "helmet halo" and get a reflective vest, as Rob mentioned. The only caveat with the helmet halos is that they seem to loose their elastic properties in a year or so of exposure to the elements. When I used to be a bicycle commuter, I wore the "halos" on my ankles, in addition to a light kit on the bike, and a reflective vest when riding after dark. Reflective pant legs are a good idea on the motorbike. My Motoport pants have a big ole stripe, and the Aerostich pants have a humongous rectangle. Your could make your own with reflective tape. VRTP (MSF in Virginia) gives away reflective stickers for use on your helmet, etc. I have some on my Givi cases. You can increase your conspicuity for not much money and without buying a $700 'Stich. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 6:32 AM Subject: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind > So SWMBO and I spent some time last night puttering about the place, I > leading on my bike, she following in my cage. For part of the time (around > dusk) I wasn't wearing my Camelbak; for part of the time (dark), I was. > > Apparently even with the Camelbak, which has a couple of reflective strips > on the back, I'm virtually invisible in the dark. Hmm, not a good > situation, since I usually ride in to work in the early wee hours of the > morning, while it's still dark. And I can't currently afford food, much > less that paragon of visibility the Hi-Viz Yellow 'Stich, so I'm trying to > come up with cheap ways to increase my visibility. > > Any ideas? So far I'm thinkin' reflective tape on the backs of my pant > legs, on my helmet, and maybe some reflector plates somehow attached to > the bike. Anyone done home-visibility improvements? > > Fish. > saw a goldwing last night lit up like a refinery, now that's high-viz > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 19:16:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91NGoSi008778; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:16:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91NGnGW008770; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:16:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:16:41 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind To: Paul Wilson Cc: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Message-id: <3D9A2CD9.74821884@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <012101c26994$301d5460$bb82fea9@palladio1> Paul Wilson wrote: > > Fish, you may want to try a "helmet halo" and get a reflective vest, as Rob > mentioned. The only caveat with the helmet halos is that they seem to loose > their elastic properties in a year or so of exposure to the elements. I'm a big fan of the helmet halos. They give you 360 degrees of conspicuity. Yeah, the elastic wimps out after a while, but I found that if you use a glue-stick type of glue between the neoprene band and the helmet, it really holds on tightly. Helmet halos don't work so well with flip-face or 3/4 helmets. I actually went back to a full face from a flip-front helmet partly because I missed having the halo. You can buy strips of reflective tape at almost any auto-parts store. They even sell the hi-viz white and red stuff you see on the backs of tractor trailers. You can cut that stuff up and stick it just about anywhere on the bike. I don't really care for this "tiny tail light" trend I'm seeing in modern bikes. It's almost criminal how manufacturers are getting away with putting less and less on the bike in terms of being seen. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 19:25:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91NPnSi008889; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:25:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g91NPnfo008880; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:25:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: magoo.noid.org: wayne owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:21:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Be Seen In The Dark By The Blind In-Reply-To: <3D9A2CD9.74821884@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20021001161642.Y69486-100000@magoo.noid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Dale Horstman wrote: > I don't really care for this "tiny tail light" trend > I'm seeing in modern bikes. It's almost criminal how > manufacturers are getting away with putting less and less > on the bike in terms of being seen. > > Horkster They're just responding to consumer demand, Dale. Notice how many sportbikers who remove their rear signals, install tiny front flush mounts, use tail light integrators, etc? The custom hardtail/Harley guys are even worse. They use tiny tail lights and either don't have turn signals or use an integrator. I don't think it's a good idea, either. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 20:08:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92082Si009209; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:08:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92082FZ009202; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:08:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004001c269a7$c18c0870$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "S. Russell" To: "Perry Coleman" , References: Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:07:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Here here, native one here also. Born in DC (at least they tell me, I was pretty young then)(and adopted) raised in Rockville and Mount Ranier college at Montgomery and American University lived in Rockville all the time (except for Air Force, North Dakota and Texas) moved to College Park upon marraige would like to move to Rockville/Gaithersburg, work in Aspen Hill and that is the rest of the story. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Coleman" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" > Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > > How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? > > I was born in DC, > raised in Oxon Hill, > went to college in Frostburg, > moved to Hyattsville after graduation, > moved to Annapolis with my bride to be, > moved to Gaithersburg because of a job, > and here I remain...for now... > > Other locals? > > Perry > > >From: Glenn Dysart > >To: Carl Parker , DCCycles , > > dan@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: WV ticket help > >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 04:34:23 -0700 (PDT) > > > >And too many damn people and houses now too! I'm > >almost ready to leave the area. > > > >Glenn > > > >--- Carl Parker wrote: > > > P.S. > > > Ya know...I've been feeling really down about living > > > in this area for > > > a while now. Maybe it'z cuz I was raised here and > > > have been around > > > too long or because there's just getting to be too > > > much money in > > > everything...or both. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 20:41:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g920fYSi009570; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:41:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g920fYdb009560; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:41:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D9A40BE.15318F5@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:41:34 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club - U.S.A. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Word of the Day Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop015.verizon.net from [141.157.126.50] at Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:41:23 -0500 Word of the Day Flexuous: This adjective ('fleck-shu-us) describes something having turns or windings; having alternate opposite curves; zigzag; wavy; flexible; adaptable; or even just flickering. Pretty much just what you thought it meant, right? She tried to follow his flexuous story, but it took so many different twists that she knew she would never understand his point. Or......... That road was flexuous! Let's ride it again! Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 20:54:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g920sUSi009655; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:54:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g920sTtv009647; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:54:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021001205031.023402b8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:51:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2002 00:53:48.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B08FAF0:01C269AE] At 03:41 PM 10/1/2002, you wrote: >Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > >How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? Born in New Orleans, moved here when I was 1 - been here 29 years ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 20:55:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g920tWSi009694; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:55:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g920tW9H009689; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:55:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021001205237.0236db70@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:54:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: County Differences In-Reply-To: <3E92FCE3.0C4B7BC8.00733C8A@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2002 00:54:51.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[5044D730:01C269AE] At 03:47 PM 10/1/2002, HiCapMag@XXXXXX wrote: >The policy does work, once you're aware of it -- I watch the dial real >close on the now-rare event that I traverse FairCo, Home of Pinhead >Policy. Let the list be fairly warned as well! Pinhead policy? There are rarely places to go over 90 and not be a menace (other than split second spurts of speed on a bike of course). Too much traffic. If DC starts getting like Miami's 95 corridor ... I'm moving..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 21:20:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g921KwSi009926; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:20:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g921Ks9x009907; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:20:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D9A4B3D.2B283EA7@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:26:21 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Perry Coleman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perry Coleman wrote: > Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... > > How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? Nope, me be an east coast swamp rat. Born the year of the steel penny - Bayshore, NY Next stop Key west, FL On to South Carolina Back to Long Island, Oakdale, NY - started first grade at age 5 Off to Solomons Island, MD Then Lexington Park, MD Another stop in Oakdale, NY Left the coast for Rochester, MI - graduated HS 1960, age 16, my sixth school Catonsville, MD - enrolled in Catonsville Community College Drifted north to Ho-ho-kus, NJ, my penance for busting out of CCC - twice! Late 1962, arrived in Mclean, VA - gubmint job - took a few courses at UVA ext. Mars Hill, NC - decided to try college again - graduated 1966 - my third college Annandale, VA - lived with the folks prior to my wedding day. Salisbury, MD - taught junior high math Camp Springs, MD - teaching jr high Springfield, VA - started Modelmasters, Inc (TU in `85 after 15 years) Annandale, VA - 1970 - bought my house for $26,500! Jeez, whada lotta money! And I'm still the same house. I didn't want my kids to be living out of boxes, raised them here, both graduates of AHS. So what do the little boogers do? MOVE! Now I'm kinda stuck here! Well, until I hit the lottery... Bill - reformed drifter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 21:36:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g921aYSi010019; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:36:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g921aXC4010011; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:36:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:36:30 -0700 From: " Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: Re: County Differences Sender: mjordan812@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 199.174.229.253 >PS: Single best lesson of Pull-over Etiquette >is to answer every "do you know why I pulled >you, do you know how fast you were going?" >question with a very polite "I'm sorry, I simply >don't know." They mean it when they say "every >thing you say can and will be used against >you..." That can (and usually will) be interpreted that you weren't paying attention to what you were doing. The absolute BEST thing to say is nothing at all. If the ossifer gets testy, state that your attorney advised you not to make any statements in his (or her) absence. And then clam up. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 21:40:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g921eRSi010071; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:40:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g921eQF8010064; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:40:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:40:23 -0700 From: " Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If there was any doubt. Sender: mjordan812@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 199.174.229.253 >Mayor says cameras will make city money That's why God gave us radar detectors... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Oct 1 23:16:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g923GkSi010626; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:16:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g923Gjax010618; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:16:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021001230904.009fdac0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:16:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Natives? In-Reply-To: <200210012300.g91N01tu008508@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Chris wrote: >born: Washington DC >Arlington >Heidelberg, Germany >Arlington >Tehran, Iran >Arlington >Sily, Belgium >London, England >Alexandria >Arlington >Falls Church >Oakton >Manassas >Arlington >Ashburn Looks like those last seven should only count as one, Chris. There oughta be a fifty-mile minimum move rule here. 8;) Edison, NJ Monte Rio, CA Fort Dix, NJ Monterey, CA Aberdeen, MD Kaiserslautern, Germany Berlin, Germany Cardiff, Wales Heidelberg, Germany An Khe, RVN Forked River, NJ Columbia, SC Princeton, NJ Gaithersburg (-> Germantown -> Hyattstown) Alexandria (Coming soon: Colorado?) With all those moves, like many others, I've now been in the DC area longer than any other region. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 06:02:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92A2eSi012927; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:02:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92A2dNj012918; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:02:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:00:58 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20021001200556.64377.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021001200556.64377.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02100206005815.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 01 October 2002 16:05, Chris Weaver wrote: > Here's my residential history. I have you beat, Aki. > Let's just say I know how to pack a moving box. :^) > > born: Washington DC > Arlington > Heidelberg, Germany > Arlington > Tehran, Iran > Arlington > Sily, Belgium > London, England > Alexandria > Arlington > Falls Church > Oakton > Manassas > Arlington > Ashburn > Pshaw. Up until the last 10 years or so, I moved 42 times since I was born. I had to get 15 years of addresses for a Top Secret clearance back in 82. Since I had my mom on the phone, I got them all the way back. I've been keeping up on the list since then and have it on CD somewhere. Basically: Richmond CA Bremerton WA San Diego CA Quansit Point RI Monterey CA San Diego CA Vallejo CA San Pablo CA San Diego CA [lots of CA -> WA -> CA traffic] At 17 I joined the Marine Reserves and went to boot camp during the summer between 10th and 11th grade. Dad retired from the Navy and we moved to Mt Arey MD At 19 when I graduated, I joined the Army as an MP. Ft McClellan Al Ft Meade Md Erlangen Germany Ft Belvoir VA Spotsylvania VA Stafford VA Woodbridge VA And here I am. I've been in the "area" other than Germany and Alabama since '75. > Chris Weaver > Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 06:08:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92A8FSi012982; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:08:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92A8FIc012970; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:08:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: llarson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Natives? Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:06:47 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021001230904.009fdac0@mail.9netave.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021001230904.009fdac0@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02100206064716.06706@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 01 October 2002 23:16, llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > (Coming soon: Colorado?) > We're looking at that next year as well. My mother passed away back in December and with the inheritence we're going to buy a 20 acre parcel in Montana. My wife is another sort of drifter (New York, Florida, Colorado, here) and wants to go back west. Anywhere but DC! Do you have a particular destination in mind or just: "Go west young man!" > With all those moves, like many others, I've now been in the DC area longer > than any other region. > Same here. 14 schools though and no college. > -- Larry Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 07:16:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92BGASi013276; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:16:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92BG7Z4013257; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:16:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If there was any doubt. Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 07:20:56 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g92BG6Si013245 except they dont' use radar, they use speed distance calculations from road magnetic sensors. Slow down for all interesections anyway. On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:40:23 -0700, " Michael Jordan" wrote: >>Mayor says cameras will make city money > >That's why God gave us radar detectors... > >Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 08:30:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92CUkSi013647; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:30:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92CUhjg013630; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:30:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200210021230.IAA19406@boo-mda02.boo.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: DC native here too. Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:30:42 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 From: "Perry Coleman" Yup, me too. Born Columbia Women's Hospital. Arlington for a very short while. Chevy Chase until I was finished with college. I have now landed in Potomac but wish to venture further in to Bethesda when financially possible. Husband was also born in DC and he grew up in Bethesda. Lisa '95 VFR To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Natives? Was "Re: WV ticket help" Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:41:37 -0400 Now there's an interesting topic - maybe... How many of us, on this list, are native to the area? I was born in DC, raised in Oxon Hill, went to college in Frostburg, moved to Hyattsville after graduation, moved to Annapolis with my bride to be, moved to Gaithersburg because of a job, and here I remain...for now... Other locals? Perry --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 08:44:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92CiUSi013717; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:44:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92CiTic013709; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:44:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <8DEE4C18B7FDB04D9D09458266EA1B6B09DA12@www.email.gmabrands.com> From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: If there was any doubt. Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:40:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I agree that we should watch our speed and slow down, but the question becomes whether the road magnetic sensors will be able to properly track the speed and distance of motorcycles. Also what would happen if a group were riding through the city in a staggered formation? Would the cameras snap the correct individual??? -----Original Message----- From: Motor PsychoL Danny [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 7:21 AM To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If there was any doubt. except they dont' use radar, they use speed distance calculations from road magnetic sensors. Slow down for all interesections anyway. On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:40:23 -0700, " Michael Jordan" wrote: >>Mayor says cameras will make city money > >That's why God gave us radar detectors... > >Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 09:05:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92D5nSi013857; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:05:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92D5nN2013851; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:05:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 2 Oct 2002 13:05:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20021002130547.4380.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: RE: If there was any doubt. X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Scott, the diet coke of evil asked (re: DC's ticket everyone policy) Also what would happen if a group were >riding through the city in a staggered formation? Would the cameras snap >the correct individual??? [Dave] Most assuredly. You're not questioning the patriotism of DC Government, are you, Comrade ? :-/ The way the DC camera programs work, they take 1 biiiiiiiig picture, with all kinds of cars, trucks & motorcycles in it. Every vehicle - even parked ones - gets a ticket. Tickets, tickets, tickets. It doesn't matter that there was no identification of the actual perpatrator, you as the owner will do. Didn't DC just have a control board because the government couldn't manage their money ? Didn't they get rid of the control board, not too long ago ? Now, a scant few years later, they still can't live within their means. Revoke home rule. it was a mistake, still is. As long as the voters keep sending the same crooks to office, this is what will prevail. All those years we scoffed at the idea of a DC commuter tax... maybe we should've agreed... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 09:34:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92DYKSi014118; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:34:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92DYKxg014105; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:34:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004101c26a18$5c3a9e20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20021002130547.4380.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Subject: OT, Re: If there was any doubt. Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:33:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Didn't DC just have a control board because the government couldn't manage their money ? Didn't they get rid of the control board, not too long ago ? Now, a scant few years later, they still can't live within their means. > Revoke home rule. it was a mistake, still is. Under your logic the Commonwealth of Va. and State of Md. need a control board too. They're both broke and "can't live within their means." You're also having pronoun trouble. The "they" you refer to is the US Congress, not the District Gov't. That's who writes the home rule legislation, makes changes the DC charter at will, decides whether we can count the votes on a marijuana referendum, etc. They set up the control board, they abolished the control board, and they write the DC budget every year, including deciding what taxes I'm going to pay. The only thing they can't touch is the 23rd Amendment, or they'd probably tinker with that too. If you want to beat up on someone, get angry at Congress, not the voters of the District. The buck really does stop with Congress and *you* have one representative and two senators in that body. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 09:49:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92DntSi014250; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:49:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92DntLe014238; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:49:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021002134952.85479.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:49:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: County Differences To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ...which would then lead the officer to believe that you're trying to be a prick. I wouldn't expect any lenience from him if you pull that ploy. It just goes to show you that you're damned if you do and damned if you don't when it comes to America's f@#$ed up police and legal systems. Sigh... I'd better not get started or I'm bound to piss off Withrow and Gimer and probably a few others around here with my opinions... :^\ Chris Weaver --- Michael Jordan wrote: > The absolute BEST thing to say is nothing at all. > > If the ossifer gets testy, state that your attorney > advised you not to make > any statements in his (or her) absence. > > And then clam up. > > Michael J. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 09:50:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92DonSi014287; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:50:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92DondC014283; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:50:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 2 Oct 2002 13:50:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20021002135047.6565.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT, Re: If there was any doubt. X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Paul Pounded the keyboard with: >> Didn't DC just have a control board because the government couldn't manage >their money ? Didn't they get rid of the control board, not too long ago ? >Now, a scant few years later, they still can't live within their means. >> Revoke home rule. it was a mistake, still is. >Under your logic the Commonwealth of Va. and State of Md. need a control >board too. [Dave] Now that you mention it... that might not be such a bad idea... Jeebus, VA has spent, spent, spent... They're both broke and "can't live within their means." >You're also having pronoun trouble. The "they" you refer to is the US >Congress, not the District Gov't. [Dave] Congress allocates / approves the AMOUNT of money, but the DC government officials SPEND, or more appropriately, SQUANDER it. ... >If you want to beat up on someone, get angry at Congress, not the >voters of the District. The buck really does stop with Congress and *you* >have one representative and two senators in that body. [Dave] Maybe that control board suggestion is a good idea for a new referendum ! No balanced budget ? - YOU'RE UN elected, FIRED AND you don't get paid ! Governments are like children, in that if you give a child a candy bar, they will want more. Just like children, sometimes, government officials need to be disciplined. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 10:28:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92ESwSi014676; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:28:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92ESvYH014672; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:28:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021002142855.16448.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:28:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: County Differences To: mjordan812@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Michael Jordan wrote: > >PS: Single best lesson of Pull-over Etiquette > >is to answer every "do you know why I pulled > >you, do you know how fast you were going?" > >question with a very polite "I'm sorry, I simply > >don't know." They mean it when they say "every > >thing you say can and will be used against > >you..." > > That can (and usually will) be interpreted that you > weren't paying attention > to what you were doing. > > The absolute BEST thing to say is nothing at all. > > If the ossifer gets testy, state that your attorney > advised you not to make > any statements in his (or her) absence. > > And then clam up. well, to a certain extent (providing background information to the police) it could be argued that this is hindering/obstructing justice. alternatively, it might be argued that, when confronted with a question that SHOULD be answered, your silence can be treated as an admission. ain't the law grand? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Oct 2 10:39:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.locald