From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 09:04:01 2000 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:03:47 EDT Subject: Re: MC racing on the networks? To: rdrdr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/30/00 6:21:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdrdr@XXXXXX writes: > Anyone know what/if/when? Superbike Classic - no description given CBS - 4:30 to 5:30 pm right after the Ravens/Browns football game. Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 11:08:17 2000 From: "Chris Weaver" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: DC-Cycles Website Information Needed Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:07:55 -0400 Hello all, I've completed the graphics and layout of the new DC-Cycles website and I'm starting to populate the site with all of the information that we, as a group, want there. To that end, if you all have a moment, it would help me out to send me content based on the following categories: Links: Major link categories will be "Member Sites", "Local Shops & Dealers", "On-Line Dealers", "Other DC Moto Groups", etc. If you have links that you think belong on our site, please send them to me and I'll put them there. DC-Cycles Racers Info: For all you racers on the list, please send photos, bios, sponsor list & links, and anything else you think would be good on the site. I'll probably be organizing it similarly to Collin's outdated site at http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/index.html. List Member Info: If you would like information about yourself (link to your website, email address, type of bike you ride, etc) to appear on the site, please send this along. This sort of thing will help with the "paging Joe Smith" and "Whatever happened to Jane Doe?" messages that appear frequently on the list. Ride Sheets: I already have a number of ride sheets and there are a few out on the web, but if you have one that you think might get overlooked, please send it along. Calendar Items: If you know of an event or gathering coming up during October or November, please send it along. Links for these activities are welcome also. Thanks for any help you all can provide. I will be posting our site to a temporary spot soon so everyone can take a look at what it wil look like and watch as it evolves. We are continuing to work on getting a permanent home for the site, and when it's complete we will move there. Regards, Chris Weaver future DC-Cycles webmaster From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 12:07:43 2000 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 12:07:23 EDT From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC racing on the networks? To: Cc: PACE/Formula USA is on CBS at 4:30pm (Woo Hoo!) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 16:02:45 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:02:24 EDT Subject: Re: Lean impaired no more (a little long) To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/30/2000 7:59:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MJordan666@XXXXXX writes: << > Day 1: The ride up. I left from DC at about 9am heading for Watkins Glen, > NY. (371.2 miles) Sounds like a good experience. It would be a great excuse to go to Watkins Glen again. While you were up there, did you get a chance to ride the old (1948 - 1953) GP course? It was on public roads, and is marked. I did about 10 laps of it last June and it was a very interesting ride. The lady at the motel I stayed at (Watkins Glen Motor Inn) mentioned that the whole course was paved now. The original track had sections of Macadam, dirt, oiled dirt, and concrete - all taken at GP speeds - yee-hah! With 1950's suspension and brakes =:O Michael J. >> It was great fun. Although, next time, NO RAIN!!!!! ;-) Nope, didn't get to ride the old course. Too tired. I felt like I was gonna pass out halfway through the hiking trail I went on. I can only imagine what would have happened riding the old course. =8-0 Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 17:23:41 2000 From: "Keith Lamond" To: Subject: The tire plug held! I made it home! Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:23:12 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C02BCC.46C4CFC0 For any of you on the ride to the Italian bike festival wondering if the = plug in my flat tire held, it did, and I made it home safely. Thanks everyone on the ride for stopping and helping me out with the = flat tire. Also thank you to whoever flagged down the farmer in the = pickup truck. I don't know how I would have gotten that tire inflated = without his electric air pump. Everyone's help and concern was greatly = appreciated. And extra special thanks to Bill Swanson. First for having the tire = plug kit and second for going out of his way to follow me home, to make = sure I made it all the way on the tire. Reston is a bit away from DC. I'm looking forward to the next group ride. This was my first, and even = with getting the flat tire, I had fun. Damn! and I bought that tire less than two weeks ago. That comes to = about $10 dollars a day of use for the rear tire. Oh' well :-} Keith 84 Nighthawk S ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C02BCC.46C4CFC0
For any of you on the ride to the = Italian bike=20 festival wondering if the plug in my flat tire held, it did, and I made = it home=20 safely.
 
Thanks everyone on the ride for = stopping and=20 helping me out with the flat tire.  Also thank you to whoever = flagged down=20 the farmer in the pickup truck.  I don't know how I would have = gotten that=20 tire inflated without his electric air pump.  Everyone's help and = concern=20 was greatly appreciated.
 
And extra special thanks to Bill = Swanson. =20 First for having the tire plug kit and second for going out of his way = to follow=20 me home, to make sure I made it all the way on the tire.  Reston is = a bit=20 away from DC.
 
I'm looking forward to the next group = ride. =20 This was my first, and even with getting the flat tire, I had = fun.
 
Damn! and I bought that tire less than = two weeks=20 ago.  That comes to about $10 dollars a day of use for the rear = tire. =20 Oh' well :-}
 
Keith
84 Nighthawk = S
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C02BCC.46C4CFC0-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 18:22:25 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:20:53 EDT Subject: Hi 8 Adapter To: exupbrotherhood@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Does anyone know if they make a Hi 8 adapter so that I can watch my Cam Bike video (bike related content ;-) ) in my VCR? The guys at Keith's school said that they did but, I can't find one. Anyone have a Hi 8 player that can dub it onto a regular VHS tape for me? A little help please. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 18:28:09 2000 From: "Rob Keiser" To: keithl1349@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The tire plug held! I made it home! Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 18:27:59 EDT Glad to hear it held up ok and you made it home safe. I was two bikes behind you and couldn't tell what was wrong. When you pulled over I flew up ahead to catch Jay, George and Rich at the stop to let them know. We waited for a minute or two until Mike (?) GSXR750 came up. After that we all turned around to head back and I was the last one around. The guy in the pick up was at the stop and something just made me ask him where the closest gas station was. He said it was just down the way near 340 and then he offered to turn around and let us put the bike in the bed if we needed. The air pump he had was the bonus! How about that for being prepared?! Sometimes things just work out well, (aside from the flat, that is.) The festival was fun. The food was good. The bees were a pain, but the roads there and back were a blast! Great leading Jay and George!! Good weather, good food, nice bikes, fun people and great roads. It doesn't get much better! Rob '98 VFR800 >From: "Keith Lamond" >To: >Subject: The tire plug held! I made it home! >Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:23:12 -0400 > >For any of you on the ride to the Italian bike festival wondering if the >plug in my flat tire held, it did, and I made it home safely. > >Thanks everyone on the ride for stopping and helping me out with the flat >tire. Also thank you to whoever flagged down the farmer in the pickup >truck. I don't know how I would have gotten that tire inflated without his >electric air pump. Everyone's help and concern was greatly appreciated. > >And extra special thanks to Bill Swanson. First for having the tire plug >kit and second for going out of his way to follow me home, to make sure I >made it all the way on the tire. Reston is a bit away from DC. > >I'm looking forward to the next group ride. This was my first, and even >with getting the flat tire, I had fun. > >Damn! and I bought that tire less than two weeks ago. That comes to about >$10 dollars a day of use for the rear tire. Oh' well :-} > >Keith >84 Nighthawk S _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 19:41:28 2000 From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Fried Wiring Harness, Trip Interrupted, Happy Ending (longish) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:41:37 -0400 This message might be of particular interest to the Triumph owners in the Metro-Washington, DC area. I am especially trying to reach those of you who have good reason to avoid the maintenance shops of the dealerships that sound something like "Cycle Splat Unlimited" and "Clinkin' Cycles". Otherwise, if you are happy with these people, read no further. At the initial maintenance milestone, I returned to my dealer ("Cycle Splat") for the service. Not only did it take them three days to accomplish the service in a slow period (late November) but there was so much lash in the driveline after I picked her up that I had to go straight home and check it out. The chain was adjusted so tight that all the slack was taken up by modest suspension compression. This is a bush league mistake. I never take a bike back to doodyheads who pull boners like that. Consequently, I started fishing around for another dealer/shop that I could trust. Scarce commodity these days. A few months ago I was in casual contact with Jerry Parrish at ToA and the very subject of trust came up. He suggested that I might want to try either Winchester Motosport (nee Winchester Indian) or Howell's Fine Motorcycles (formerly Howell's H-D) in New Kingstown, PA. Some listers will recall that Howell's have been given rave reviews by their patrons. However, the distance was more than I wanted to fool with, so Winchester got the nod. Three weeks before I needed the 6K service, I called Winchester and made an appointment to wait for the bike while it was serviced. Also ordered tires. Initially I tried to order some BT010s, but the service manager, Marcus -- who is also a racer, suggested I try the Dunlop 207 GPs. On his recommendation, I ordered the tires. No one even asked me for a credit card number, they thanked me for choosing them, and even called me Mr. Smith. Needless to say, I never get that kind of treatment around this area from an authorized Triumph dealer. The appointed day for my service was September 20. It started as a perfect day to make the trip to Clear Brook, Virginia and Winchester(?) Motosports. Once I made it outside the Beltway and past Leesburg, I was tearing along Route 7 at 85 or 90 MPH and the Daytona was loafing at around 5K. Cool air, sunshine, blue skies, light traffic, and occasional bursts up to... Well, let's not discuss that. Anyway, at about 9:45 AM, when I came over the mountain and passed Berryville -- the vengeful spirit of Lucas struck. Pulled in the clutch and rolled onto the shoulder. Nothing. No lights, no spark, no starter. Only the dash lights. Called Winchester Motosports and they sent a truck (a nice enclosed step van, actually) to collect us. I am officially another victim of the poorly designed ground strap on the T5 wiring harness. Apparently the thing comes loose, starts arcing, and slowly burns itself up. The service technician showed me the damage and discussed ways of bodging a fix if I was desperate to ride home that day. Blessedly, my fatalistic nature took over and relinquished to the inevitability of getting the proper replacement part. Fortunately, as I had been previously informed on the T5Tech list, I was aware this is a well-known warranty item with ToA. Unfortunately, I had to leave my baby in The Sticks. Crap. Thursday I called Jerry at ToA to ask about the part number for the new, improved wiring harness. When he learned I left the bike at Winchester, he suggested I call the shop and see what was going on because they are in constant contact with the head office. A dealer that stays in constant contact with ToA? This was new. I called Winchester and sure enough they had called Triumph, confirmed the warranty nature of the problem, and the part was not only available but it would be shipped out overnight express. Of course, it had to get in the queue leaving the warehouse first. The part arrived in Winchester on Saturday. Having more sense than to tempt fate, I told them to take their time as I wouldn't be able to get back out there until the next weekend, Saturday the 30th. This was less painful than it sounds because the weather forecast for Monday through Wednesday was heavy rain. Okey dokey. I received calls from Winchester on the following Tuesday and Thursday. They wanted to let me know how work was progressing, asked if there was any additional work I needed or wanted, and assured me that the lovely Boudicca would be ready for delivery on Saturday. Always on the watch for the effects of Murphy's Law, I called them late Friday to insure all would be ready the next day. It would. I was pumped. Showed up just as they were swinging the front doors open for the day. Greeted everyone, paid my bill, shot the breeze with the owner and his lovely wife for a while (that would be Carl and Dana Lucci, two of the nicest folks you would want to meet), got some fuel, and hit the road. Two hours later I was home, in the garage, cleaning her up and telling her what a naughty girl she had been for causing me so much inconvenience. All is well. In fact, all is better than it has been for quite some time because I have come to believe I was living with the grounding problem longer than I originally thought. I hope those who are more familiar with this character flaw of our beloved steeds will excuse me for repeating that which may be well-known. Personally, I was unable to find a compendium of the symptoms of this malfunction, and I doubt I'm alone. I'm going to give a brief list of the symptoms as they are known to me, by their obvious absence. I probably should have been more vigilant. Whatever. Symptom 1: Temperature gauge had occasional wild swings into the red while the bike was idling and stopping frequently in traffic on hot days. I always wear earplugs, so I'm not aware of whether the fan was coming on or not. If not, it might have been an early sign of grounding problems. In any event, the temperature gauge now stays well below the red and the fan seems to be actuating correctly. Symptom 2: Spontaneous dying when coming hard off the throttle. This actually happened once when the bike was very new. The second occurrence was several weeks ago. The third happened on the way to Winchester, about twenty miles before the final catastrophic failure. In all cases, the cure was to turn the key off, then on, and then restart. That's it, folks. I wish there was something less sinister and more obvious, but from my experience there isn't. If you have any doubts about it at all, pull the tank yourself or have a service technician do it, and check the condition of the harness at the ground strap (more of a plug, really). If there is a problem, it will be apparent upon inspection. Mine looked as if it had been placed over an open flame. Melting, charring, warping -- the works. Conclusion: I can whole-heartedly recommend the service at Winchester Motosports. I will definitely be going back. Besides the usual service, for which there is almost no means of verification, every blessed thing on the bike was adjusted properly. She felt taught and competent, just like new. That mad, arm-stretching feeling was back, too. I believe I got a little more than new plugs. Even the slight mushiness in the front brakes was gone completely. And let me tell you about the Dunlop 207 GPs. I have never been as pleased with a new set of tires as I have with these. Tonight, I actually did my first stoppie! Albeit inadvertently. The grip is absolutely first rate. Leaning into a turn, the feeling is solid and predictable and begs for more. By comparison, the OEM Bridgestone BT56s are greasy and squirrelly. Never going back to those. Winchester Motosports is located in Clear Brook, Virginia. The directions on their website are spot on. Visit http://www.winchesterindian.com/, or call (540) 722-2688. Besides Triumph, they also sell/service Ducati, Moto Guzzi, Victory, and John Deere. Okay, maybe not John Deere, but the service shop has enough Zen for anything I could want. I mean the kind of Zen Pirsig wrote about. I actually saw a vintage Indian and a Bimota Mantra being worked on. These guys are the business and deserve yours. You won't be disappointed. Thanks for the bandwidth, and I hope this helps some of my brothers and sisters who are seeking competent, professional support. The Zen is incidental. Crash (Not on these tires! Whee-Hah!) AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 19:55:37 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: "Smith, Steven" , Subject: Re: Fried Wiring Harness, Trip Interrupted, Happy Ending (longish) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:55:53 -0400 Two hours later I was home, in the garage, > cleaning her up and telling her what a naughty girl she had been for causing > me so much inconvenience Damn women, always causing problems. lmao. Glad to hear all turned out well. ;-) LAG From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 07:49:56 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 06:44:07 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: "<" Subject: Italian Motorcycle festival photos Good Morning everyone, I have posted some images from yesterdays MC festival in Shepherdstown. Here is a link. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=986620&a=9149695 It turned out to be a great day, A little chilly and foggy on the ride up. The last section on WVA 230 got my heart pumping a little. A hot plate of pasta at the show was right on time. Even though this was a Italian bike show the Honda CBX that John rode up attracted a lot of attention. There were some really nice Ducati's, Guzzi's, Aprillia's and other bikes on display here. I didn't get a chance to see a MV Agusta or a Bennelli, did any show later? The ride back was fun except for the gravel parking lot that grabbed the front wheel of a young ladies (sorry I forgot your name) SV650 and dumped it over, and a flat tire on Keith's Nighthawk. Thanks to Bill Swanson and a handy plug kit, and a friendly local, the tire was plugged and ready in about 10 minutes. The road out of Sharpsburg (65?) a right at the Amoco station on 34 is a great route. Cheers, George Cole 00 VFR ( yellow the faster color) George M Cole Senior Account Manager Boise Technology www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 410 796-0714 CUSTOMER SERVICE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM 1-800-525-9500 FAX 1-800-952-9084 Boise. It couldn't be easier. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 09:27:51 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Italian Motorcycle festival photos To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- George Cole wrote: > Good Morning everyone, > > I have posted some images from yesterdays MC festival in > Shepherdstown. Here is a link. > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=986620&a=9149695 > > > It turned out to be a great day, A little chilly and > foggy on the ride up. The last section on WVA 230 got my > heart pumping a little. A hot plate of pasta at the show > was right on time. Even though this was a Italian bike > show the Honda CBX that John rode up attracted a lot of > attention. There were some really nice Ducati's, Guzzi's, > Aprillia's and other bikes on display here. I didn't get > a chance to see a MV Agusta or a Bennelli, did any show > later? i have to say that i was rather unimpressed with the italian motorcycle "festival." it was neat to see a bunch of italian bikes all in one place, but that's about it. of course it is not easy to organize a get-together like this, and it sounded as if this was the event's first year, but the group i met there all echoed the same criticisms: -a $10 admission charge gave you the right to: 1. pay for lunch, of which there was one choice; and 2. win a t-shirt -there were NO vendors peddling goods (okay, one selling t-shirts....that don't count) -the bike show was limited (not that the bikes weren't interesting....it's just that there weren't many) i hope that next year more planning will go into this event. for instance, if the guys from motoeuropa are going to bother to drive up from richmond, how about asking them to set up a booth of accessories? i bet colleen of the motorcycle leather exchange would have made a killing up there if she'd been invited. [who knows, maybe she was.] everybody likes to see the latest helmets or tires, etc. anyway, this is just some constructive criticism.....the trip up was enjoyable and i'll probably do it again next year to see if things get bigger and/or better. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 09:36:08 2000 From: "Swifty" To: "George Cole" , "<" Subject: Re: Italian Motorcycle festival photos Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:39:06 -0400 George, GREAT PICTURES !!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry I had to leave before the group yesterday but I had a *deadline* to meet. It was a fun ride!! Thanks John Swift 79 CBX 94 SB6 94 ZX 11 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 09:58:27 2000 From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Fried Wiring Harness, Trip Interrupted, Happy Ending (longish ) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:58:40 -0400 Hi, Laura! Your sense of humor is appreciated. Sometimes I do get upbraided by sensitive types for giving my machine a feminine personality. Glad you're not one of them. By the way, I call her Boudicca because that's the name she snarled at me when we met first. She also told me she was my mistress, the reincarnation of a Celtic warrior-queen, and never to tell anyone she can speak. Excuse me, I've been wicked. I must go to the garage now and receive my spanking. Crash (I'm not concerned about the voices in my head, and neither am I.) AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" > -----Original Message-----From: Laura Granato----- > > > Two hours later I was home, in the garage, cleaning her up > > and telling her what a naughty girl she had been for causing > > me so much inconvenience > > Damn women, always causing problems. lmao. > > Glad to hear all turned out well. ;-) > > LAG > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 10:16:37 2000 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 10:16:13 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: Lean impaired no more (a little long) To: "'ScooterFZR@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm interested in looking into this school, could you forward any contact iinfo you've got? (especially a URL...) Thanks, -Calvin > -----Original Message----- > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:58 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Lean impaired no more (a little long) > > > Well guys and gals, all I have to say about Keith Code's class is > "Oh...my...GOD!!!! That was such a BLAST!!" > > Yes, you guessed it, I just got back from two days of riding > around a track > and having people correct my mistakes. I got a LOT out of it > and had fun > while doing it. > > Day 1: The ride up. I left from DC at about 9am heading for > Watkins Glen, > NY. (371.2 miles) Yes, I RODE. Started out the first 150 > miles in rain. I > HATE rain!!! Temperature was about 60 and I was a little > cold when I got > there at 6pm. Checked in, took HOT shower and went to hotel > restaurant to > eat. Guess who's there? Yep, Keith, his wife Judy and all of the > instructors. They were staying at the same hotel I was. > Cool!! Introduced > myself and bs'd with'em for a few minutes until their food > arrived. I told > them that I was one of their future students and that I was > "lean impaired > and nervous". They loved the new term I gave them. They > were using "lean > challenged" but said "lean impaired" sounded better. Went to bed. > > Day 2: Got up EARLY and headed to the track. Ate breakfast, > got briefed, > intros, blah, blah. You know, the usual hospitality stuff. > ;-) Then, got > suited up for fun. ;-) Had two groups, five class sessions > and five track > sessions to go along with them. Also got a couple extra > riding sessions at > the end of the day. Still don't know how long the track is > at Watkins Glen > but, it was a nice track. First session was just a warm up > to get used to > the track. Had one rider go down and break his arm in the > second group > during this session. Boy was HE pi$$ed!! Did the "Steering > Drill" somewhere > in between these two. Second was a "turn where the big X's > are" session. > Got everyone used to a good line through the corners. Third > session was > basically "turn-in faster". Rode the camera bike here. Got > a pretty good > critique of what I needed to improve on. That's about all I > remember from > day 1, I was having too much fun. Fastest lap: 2:12. Not > TOO bad for a > lean-impaired, nervous slow-poke. No other accidents to > report. All-in-all, > a good day of riding. Left the track and did a little > sight-seeing of > Watkins Glen. They've got a GREAT state park and hiking > trail there. Too > bad I was too tired to go more than a half mile of it. Went > back to the > hotel, took a hot shower and watched the encore presentation > of "Who Wants To > Be A Millionaire" Celebrity matches. Then crashed for the night. > > Day 3: Got to sleep a half hour later. Joy. :-) A little > bit colder this > morning and it rained overnight. Got to the track, briefed > and suited up. > Then I met a fellow DC Cycles lister, Tony. Sorry, didn't > catch your last > name. He and his cousin rode part way up on Monday and then > trailered their > bikes the rest of the way on Tuesday. He said that he > thought he recognized > from the NY bus trip but was unsure. My group went out first > this morning. > Bigger joy. They actually got the track pretty dried off by > the time we got > out there. Believe it or not, this first session is where I > clocked in my > fastest track time of the day, 1:11. Couldn't tell you what > speed I made it > up to because they had the speedo blocked out. I think I've > improved a > little, don't you? hehe Same drill, five classroom and five > track sessions > with three extra "have fun" sessions for each group at the > end of the day. > These were more geared to making you more aware of your > surroundings. Also > got the ride the "lean bike" and "brake rig". The "lean bike" was > INCREDIBLE. If you think you're "lean-imapired", you need to > try this thing. > You can lean over as far as you like and you won't fall > over. They said > that you CAN lowside it but, I don't see how. Took me three > tries turning > left before they liked what they saw. Switched to turning > right and after > one pass, they'd seen enough. The instructor thinks I > definitely like right > handers over lefties. Wouldn't know HOW he got that > impression. :-P Rode > the camera bike twice this day. GREAT improvement noted. > :-D Finished for > the day incident free. Ordered some pics and a CD from the > photographer who > was on site. Got a couple pics with Keith. Got him to sign > one of my > t-shirts. Bought a t-shirt. Tony and his SO asked me if I > wanted to ride > back with them to her? folks house in PA and spend the night. > Then ride back > with him and his cousin this morning. I would have loved to > but, I had > already paid for the room and I couldn't cancel the third > night. Maybe next > time. Said my goodbyes and headed back to the hotel for a > hot shower, dinner > and some well-deserved rest. > > Day 4: Got up early and checked out. Beautiful morning for > a ride. Even > though it was colder, it was still a nice day. Hopped on the > bike and headed > home wishing I had had company (another 371.2 miles). Even > though I made an > hour long stop for lunch and a stretch this time, I chopped > an hour off my > ride home. Noticed that I had started using a lot of their > techniques and > instructions on the ride back. I was getting faster through > the corners, > leaning more and had more stable lines. > > I can now say for certain that I am no longer > "lean-impaired". I may still > be slightly nervous taking corners but, I now know I can > overcome those fears > and I WILL overcome them in the future. > > I don't intend on ever racing but, the experience and skills > I've gained from > this class are well worth it. For anyone out there who has > NOT taken a class > of this type or who has ever wanted to take one, I highly > recommend it and > would do it again in a heartbeat. Money permitting. LOL > > Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) > > ps. Tony, drop me a line to let me know how your trip home went. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 10:17:15 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:17:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Fried Wiring Harness, Trip Interrupted, Happy Ending (longish ) To: "Smith, Steven" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" --- "Smith, Steven" wrote: > > Crash (I'm not concerned about the voices in my head, and neither am I.) A lining of Aluminum foil in the helmet can help with that... ObMotoContent: Riding to Leesburg yesterday morning in the thick fog was eerie... I made sure to flash my brakelight in a random pattern when stopped at any street lights. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 11:06:21 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:06:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Paresh Karandikar Subject: Triumph blows To: dc DC-Cycles All right - for those of you who THINK Triumph is just as good as any of the big four - take the time to read this. If you are considering buying a new bike DEFINITELY read this. A little over a month ago, my 1999 Triumph Daytona 955i's engine blows up for no reason. I was on a road trip in New England and just south of Boston at the time. (For those of you who know Chris Weaver, he was with me). Had the bike towed through AMA motow to a shop in MA. Cut my trip short and shelled out the cash for a flight home. A month later Triumph America and I are negotiating the "details" of getting the bike fixed. For over a month, I am hanging out wasting one of the best riding months of the year. (Still waiting right now). Anyway, there was some body damage on the bike so I offered to pay all of my expenses (flight home, flight to go pick up the bike, etc.) if they fixed my plastic. The retail cost of the parts was about $1500 and my expenses would be a little over $500. So I figured, both parties could walk away happy because the retail cost of the parts is not what Triumph would have to pay and it would be easier for them to simply replace parts rather than write me a check for my expenses. On top of that deal, I expected Triumph to pay for the 500 mile service and give me a new 2 year warranty - considering it was a new (rebuilt) motor and all. Well Triumph comes back to me with the laughable offer of me paying for all of the expenses, they give me one body part of choice (out of three total needed - worth ~$500) and they pay for the 500 mile service. I asked about the warranty and he said they would not extend it. He said I still have 11 months left on it and that was good enough! I mentioned to the guy that this incident occurred just a week over the one year anniversary of its purchase date. What if that happened again with the new motor? He said nothing. Way to stand behind your bikes Triumph. I then proceeded to say well there is obviously no deal there - I might as well simply go the original route and expense everything and ride with the busted up body work. He said, "That was never offered." Then he continued saying that in warranty cases that technically it was my responsibility to get the bike to the dealer and back. The fact that they were "giving" me one body panel was generous. I said, even if I am out of town and incur significant expenses just to get home when it was totally Triumph's fault through a defect in their product? "Yes." Bottom line - Triumph blows and I think you should stay away from anything that bears their name. I can tolerate a defect but when they try to screw you after that, it is just unbearable. All I ever heard while looking into Triumph before I bought it was how good they are and how hard they work to maintain customer loyalty - especially when dealing with the stiff cometition of the big four. I have not seen one lick of that when it really counted. I am in the process of talking with a lawyer and sueing Triumph America under the VA Lemon Law. I know that this entitles me to all expenses due to the defect, legal fees, and more (not much more but still something). So now, I can't take the bike back until all of the legal hassles are handled. Thanks Triumph - you really did a great job with customer service on this one! Any of you Triumph lovers want to discuss this with me? I would love to take out my frustration some more. --Paresh 99 Triumph Daytona 955i but looking to change ASAP!!! PS - for those of you that are going to respond that the big four would treat you even worse - keep in mind that this is my 3rd bike. The first was a beat up old 88 CBR 600 Hurricane and a 95 RF900 neither of which EVER had any major problems. My response to you would be, well I never had to deal with them on warranty problems which is the ideal scenario!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 11:22:00 2000 From: "Bruce Norton" To: Subject: Re: Italian Motorcycle festival photos Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:16:36 -0400 Yeah, it really needed a little better organization. $10 was too much for what little they had on hand. Not the worst show I've been to but not the best either. Better luck next year. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" > i have to say that i was rather unimpressed with the > italian motorcycle "festival." it was neat to see a bunch > of italian bikes all in one place, but that's about it. of > course it is not easy to organize a get-together like this, > and it sounded as if this was the event's first year, but > the group i met there all echoed the same criticisms: > > -a $10 admission charge gave you the right to: > 1. pay for lunch, of which there was one choice; and > 2. win a t-shirt > -there were NO vendors peddling goods (okay, one selling > t-shirts....that don't count) > -the bike show was limited (not that the bikes weren't > interesting....it's just that there weren't many) > > i hope that next year more planning will go into this > event. for instance, if the guys from motoeuropa are going > to bother to drive up from richmond, how about asking them > to set up a booth of accessories? i bet colleen of the > motorcycle leather exchange would have made a killing up > there if she'd been invited. [who knows, maybe she was.] > everybody likes to see the latest helmets or tires, etc. > anyway, this is just some constructive criticism.....the > trip up was enjoyable and i'll probably do it again next > year to see if things get bigger and/or better. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 11:27:33 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:27:17 EDT Subject: Re: Lean impaired no more (a little long) To: cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/2/00 10:18:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cledford@XXXXXX writes: > I'm interested in looking into this school, could you forward any contact > iinfo you've got? (especially a URL...) www.superbikeschool.com Having taken 3 days of Keith's school, I will second the high recomendation. The 2001 schedule should be up on their site this month, and if you're interested in taking the school *sign up early*. Like in Nov. Or when the schedule gets posted. It's been gaining in popularity and fills up quick! I'm planning on taking it again next year, prob up at pocono (did that in '99, VIR in '00. I think Pocono is a better track to take a school on as the south course at VIR is rather annoying with all it's off-camber and decreasing radius turns). - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 11:44:44 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 11:49:15 -0400 From: M Brodie To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N Hey folks, I was hanging out in the Barnes & Noble in Rockville when I looked out the window and saw that someone had placed tank and saddle bags on my VFR. I was about to go see what the heck was going on when 2 more bikes pulled up, an R1 and a GSX600. I looked at my bike and discovered it wasn't actually my bike! it was actually someone else with a bright yellow 00' VFR like mine! I laughed and cried (not really) after discovering someone else had the level headed sensibility that I did. Well actually, I am not sensible or level headed but it was nice to not feel like I am the only Viffer in a sea of DC R1s. Don't get me wrong I love R1s, but I bought a VFR. I know there are other viffers in this area, but I never see them where I usually like to hang out so it was kinda a spiritual moment (not really). Well now that I have rambled on enough, Bikers took over the Barnes and Noble yesterday evening, we all parked right in front of the store. There were a couple of Harleys, an R1, a GSX6 and 2 VFRs later that evening we went for a night ride. It was really fun cuz there is no place for sports bike riders to hang out in Rockville MD as cool as B&N (it would be much better if there was beer there but coffee is ok). That's why I propose making our mark on the B&N on 355 in Rockville. It should be an official sport bike hangout spot, there's lots of parking. If you are by the area, park out front of the Starbucks and claim the front parking spaces as biker territory. Get a cup of coffee and read a book dammit! Hopefully, when I go on any given Friday, Saturday or Sunday, I will have a few bikers to chat with. And did I mention the female hotties that hang out at the bookstore? Reason enough! I'll see you there.....>Winterman Free New Mp3 Music By Winterman "http://www.mp3.com/winterman" From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 11:50:40 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:50:26 EDT Subject: Re: Italian Motorcycle festival photos To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This was the first year for the event, and it got limited support as was very obvious. According to Bill Freeman, who set up the festival with the help of two others, lots of dealers were invited. And there were quite a few more prizes than just t-shirts, but most people bugged out early and missed out. Consequently I came home with a nice bottle of Italian wine. Good thing I had my saddlebags! :) There were more events planned, but they got botched due to limited support by the crowd. All in all, I think it was a good first year event at a great location. Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV (placed 2nd out of 4 in the "best sounding bike" contest :) In a message dated 10/2/00 9:29:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > i have to say that i was rather unimpressed with the > italian motorcycle "festival." it was neat to see a bunch > of italian bikes all in one place, but that's about it. of > course it is not easy to organize a get-together like this, > and it sounded as if this was the event's first year, but > the group i met there all echoed the same criticisms: > > -a $10 admission charge gave you the right to: > 1. pay for lunch, of which there was one choice; and > 2. win a t-shirt > -there were NO vendors peddling goods (okay, one selling > t-shirts....that don't count) > -the bike show was limited (not that the bikes weren't > interesting....it's just that there weren't many) > > i hope that next year more planning will go into this > event. for instance, if the guys from motoeuropa are going > to bother to drive up from richmond, how about asking them > to set up a booth of accessories? i bet colleen of the > motorcycle leather exchange would have made a killing up > there if she'd been invited. [who knows, maybe she was.] > everybody likes to see the latest helmets or tires, etc. > anyway, this is just some constructive criticism.....the > trip up was enjoyable and i'll probably do it again next > year to see if things get bigger and/or better. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 12:25:28 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:25:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Fried Wiring Harness, Trip Interrupted, Happy Ending (longish) --============_-1241618573==_ma============ "Marcus -- who is also a racer, suggested I try the Dunlop 207 GPs. On his recommendation, I ordered the tires. " Now, I haven't actually tried them on the street, but I have always been told that running GP tires (DOT race tires) on the street was bad medicine. Although they do offer great traction, they are not up to the task of being continuously heat-cycled, like a 'street' tire. I've been told that in street conditions, GP tires will lose their grip long before they run out of tread, unlike their street counterparts. I'm not an expert on tires, but I do know I have never seen a racer get new tires because they ran out of tread. "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va --============_-1241618573==_ma============ Geneva"Marcus -- who is also a racer, suggested I try the Dunlop 207 GPs. On his recommendation, I ordered the tires. " Now, I haven't actually tried them on the street, but I have always been told that running GP tires (DOT race tires) on the street was bad medicine. Although they do offer great traction, they are not up to the task of being continuously heat-cycled, like a 'street' tire. I've been told that in street conditions, GP tires will lose their grip long before they run out of tread, unlike their street counterparts. I'm not an expert on tires, but I do know I have never seen a racer get new tires because they ran out of tread. "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va --============_-1241618573==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 12:39:01 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:38:46 EDT Subject: Re: Fried Wiring Harness, Trip Interrupted, Happy Ending (longish) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This is absolutly correct. There are a miriad of problems running DOT certified race tires on the street, this being one of them. Also a problem is the fact that most street riders will have a hard time getting them up to optimal operating temperature (other than when blazing down 495), and they won't last as long. I get about 6k miles out of a street compound tire on my Duc, I'd prob only get 3k on a set of 207GPs or Pilot race tires. With a race tire at the track, if you ride anything other than a lightweight bike, you toss tires after 1 weekend (maybe two, depending on the bike and hp it puts out). There is plenty of rubber left according to the wear-bars, but the heat has caused the oils used in construction to come out of the tire. Once that happens, the tire becomes hard and doesn't stick anymore. On my 400 superbike I get 2 weekends out of a set of tires... a grand total of about 300 miles. - Roach In a message dated 10/2/00 12:27:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Sean.Jordan@XXXXXX writes: > Now, I haven't actually tried them on the street, but I have always > been told that running GP tires (DOT race tires) on the street was > bad medicine. Although they do offer great traction, they are not up > to the task of being continuously heat-cycled, like a 'street' tire. > I've been told that in street conditions, GP tires will lose their > grip long before they run out of tread, unlike their street > counterparts. I'm not an expert on tires, but I do know I have never > seen a racer get new tires because they ran out of tread. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 13:08:00 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 12:02:50 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Cc: "<" Subject: Re: Italian Motorcycle festival photos John, You should have entered the CBX in the best sounding bike contest, it surely would have placed. Cheers, George >>> "Swifty" 10/02/00 09:39AM >>> George, GREAT PICTURES !!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry I had to leave before the group yesterday but I had a *deadline* to meet. It was a fun ride!! Thanks John Swift 79 CBX 94 SB6 94 ZX 11 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 13:41:14 2000 From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) Subject: Re: Italian Motorcycle festival photos To: Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:41:10 -0400 It sure sounded beautiful as you left the park! Andrew '90 EX500 On Mon, 02 Oct 2000 12:02:50 -0500 "George Cole" wrote: > John, > > You should have entered the CBX in the best sounding bike contest, > it surely would have placed. > > Cheers, > > George > > >>> "Swifty" 10/02/00 09:39AM >>> > George, > > GREAT PICTURES !!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Sorry I had to leave before the group yesterday but I had a > *deadline* to > meet. It was a fun ride!! > > Thanks > > John Swift > 79 CBX > 94 SB6 > 94 ZX 11 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 13:42:12 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 12:37:31 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Cc: "<" Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N >>> M Brodie wrote I am not sensible or level headed but it was nice to not feel like I am the only Viffer in a sea of DC R1s.Don't get me wrong I love R1s, but I bought a VFR. I know there are other viffers in this area, but I never see them where I usually like to hang out so it was kinda a spiritual moment (not really). Hey Winterman, There are lots of us VFR riders, here in the DC area, but the reason you don't see us much, is because we are out riding them. Not hanging out in parking lots( Bike night excluded). Yesterday 3 of us in a group of 10 rode out to WVA. Hook up with the DC group on the next ride, this Sat weather permitting. Get with the program, the VFR or any other sportbike is made for riding out on twisty roads out in the county somewhere, not posing. The next time you are in Rockville head out Rt 28 to Frederick ( this is where the ride begins ) then go north on rt 40 Alt then right on rt 17 (you will not be disappointed). Besides the VFR gets smoother and faster when the engine breaks in, mine has 4000 miles since July and still isn't broken in yet. Cheers, George Cole 00 VFR George M Cole Senior Account Manager Boise Technology www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 410 796-0714 CUSTOMER SERVICE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM 1-800-525-9500 FAX 1-800-952-9084 Boise. It couldn't be easier. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 13:47:27 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:47:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Just a little out of the ordinary http://www.guitarsforkids.com/GuitCycle.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 14:00:09 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:04:44 -0400 From: M Brodie To: George Cole CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N Heh, Thanks for the info George, I do love riding rather than hanging out, but when I get saddle sore, I like to stop at a spot where I can hang out with fellow bikers and talk about subjects on the list and see other bikes with after market mods. I can also get a decent cup of cofee read cycle world for free & I mean, come on, how long can you ride straight in the saddle?! all day? But I also occasionally like giving good looking women rides in exchange for their digits; for that poser type behavior I slap myself on the wrist. Heh, all things being equal though, I might just meet up with you guys next weekend........Peace Out! Winterman!................http://www.mp3.com/winterman George Cole wrote: > >>> M Brodie wrote > I am not sensible or level headed but it was nice to not feel like I am the only Viffer in a sea of DC R1s.Don't get me wrong I love R1s, but I bought a VFR. I know there are other viffers in this area, but I never see them where I usually > like to hang out so it was kinda a spiritual moment (not really). > > Hey Winterman, > > There are lots of us VFR riders, here in the DC area, but the reason you don't see us much, is because we are out riding them. Not hanging out in parking lots( Bike night excluded). Yesterday 3 of us in a group of 10 rode out to WVA. Hook up with the DC group on the next ride, this Sat weather permitting. > > Get with the program, the VFR or any other sportbike is made for riding out on twisty roads out in the county somewhere, not posing. The next time you are in Rockville head out Rt 28 to Frederick ( this is where the ride begins ) then go north on rt 40 Alt then right on rt 17 (you will not be disappointed). Besides the VFR gets smoother and faster when the engine breaks in, mine has 4000 miles since July and still isn't broken in yet. > > Cheers, > > George Cole > 00 VFR > > George M Cole > Senior Account Manager > Boise Technology > www.boisetech.com > 301-523-4161 > FAX 410 796-0714 > CUSTOMER SERVICE > 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM > 1-800-525-9500 FAX 1-800-952-9084 > > Boise. It couldn't be easier. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 14:18:40 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:13:52 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N >>> M Brodie wrote "I mean, come on, how long can you ride straight in the saddle?! all day? But I also occasionally like giving good looking women rides" Well sometimes yes, all day, with a few rest/fuel stops, that's what the VFR was built for. Ride west young man! And hey, there is nothing I like better than good looking women (wearing leather of course), and a good cup of coffee. As a matter of fact there were two lady bikers riding with us yesterday. Rockville's not to far from my house, maybe I will ride by. It's just all the traffic and clueless drivers in cages that I don't like in this area. That's why I hightail it out to the country Regards, George Cole 00 VFR with stuff. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 14:25:31 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:25:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N At 02:13 PM 10/2/00 , George Cole wrote: >And hey, there is nothing I like better than good looking women (wearing >leather of course), and a good cup of coffee. I can think of lots of things I like better than those two specific examples ;-) Most of them involve one or the other though. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 14:29:41 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:29:19 -0400 (EDT) From: lisa To: dccycles Subject: smile What a warm fuzzy for me! I picked up some apples at Safeway during lunch. Back at my desk I realize that they are Summit Point apples!! Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 15:18:21 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:22:36 -0400 From: M Brodie To: Silberg Eric J CRBE , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rockville and viffers Hey Eric, You guessed correctly, the other 00' VFR rider I met at B&N was Paul Hutchins. He told me he likes to ride his VFR into streams and over rocks and off road and in the crick and stuff. I told him when he plans on riding on the road, I would like to join him! We can work a little more on the vest idea...but it all sounds cool! Spread the word & Rockville B&N and Starbucks (Rt355) will be sports biker heaven in no time! Keep in touch & see you there!........>Moe "Winterman" Brodie.................>http://www.mp3.com/winterman Silberg Eric J CRBE wrote: > Hey,Saw your post about meeting at the Rockville B&N. I am another > viffer rider (94) in the area, actually live about a mile or so from > Montrose Crossing. Was the bagged viffer Paul Hutchins' by any > chance? Met him on the street one evening and rode with him once. > There are a few of us around... I like that idea of making Starbucks > biker territory - maybe we can get some vests made up, harley style > with a big cup of java (and a skull of course) on them, call ourselves > " 'Bucks' Bikers". Maybe not. Anyway, thought I'd drop a line, later > - Eric > > ******************* > Eric Silberg > Marine and Aviation, code 5300 > Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division > 9500 MacArthur Blvd > West Bethesda, MD 20817-5700 > > (301) 227-1595 (voice) > (301) 227-2584 (fax) > SilbergEJ@XXXXXX > www.dt.navy.mil From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 15:22:02 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: , "Troutman" Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:22:16 -0400 > At 02:13 PM 10/2/00 , George Cole wrote: > >And hey, there is nothing I like better than good looking women (wearing > >leather of course), and a good cup of coffee. > > I can think of lots of things I like better than those two specific > examples ;-) > > Most of them involve one or the other though ahhh, always interesting to listen to the men....lol! Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 15:24:10 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:17:45 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: FitE VI To: "Tanner, Linda" Cc: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" "Tanner, Linda" wrote: > > Ya talked me into it. If I had an envelope, I'd send my registration in. > They don't do paypal, do they? They might, ask the rallymaster, my bud, Bryan Moody, bmoody@XXXXXX > All that said, I don't have a clue how to go about doing this. > Helpful hints are being solicited and would be appreciated. Come to our little planning session at the Horkster residence, Sunday, October 8th. 11 am. (Open Invitation to all DC Cycles members). We'll look at all the bonus locations (they'll be available a week before the rally) and string together some plausible routes. Great fun. Last year Todd (the Beast of the Feast!) ran a route I thought was impossible. I ran a simpler version and placed mid-pack. But Todd pulled it off anyway and won! :) >> Anyone else interested in an 11 hour rally format, details are >> here: http://automated-design.com/fitevi/ Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 15:32:52 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:34:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Fried Wiring Harness, Trip Interrupted, Happy Ending (longish) At 12:38 PM 10/2/00 EDT, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: >This is absolutly correct. There are a miriad of problems running DOT >certified race tires on the street, this being one of them. Also a problem is >the fact that most street riders will have a hard time getting them up to >optimal operating temperature (other than when blazing down 495), and they >won't last as long. I get about 6k miles out of a street compound tire on my >Duc, I'd prob only get 3k on a set of 207GPs or Pilot race tires. To say nothing of the fact that very, very few riders can exceed the limits of a stickly street tire anyway. And even those who can have no business doing so on public roads. If you're pushing that hard on the street, big time trouble awaits. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 --------------------------------- You don't quit riding because you get old. You get old because you quit riding! From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 15:32:57 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:34:06 -0400 To: dc DC-Cycles From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Triumph blows I won't argue that maybe Triumph shouldn't treat you better, but virtually every warranty I've ever read specifically exludes coverage for ancillary expenses. If your tire blows and makes your Ford flip, Firestone's warranty still only pays to replace the tire (prorated for mileage, at that). I'm sure that Triumph is legally in the clear about not paying for anything but the repair itself, and about not extending the warranty. I'm not familiar with the details of VA's lemon law, but most such laws require that the manufacturer has attempted, and failed, to repair the same problem mutliple times. Or that the vehicle has had a certain number of failures in a specified period of time. Good luck, but if I were in your shoes I'd take their offer. Unless the body damage was caused by the motor failure, Triumph has absolutely no obligation at all to help you there. I suspect it's the best deal you're likely to get. >All right - for those of you who THINK Triumph is just >as good as any of the big four - take the time to read >this. If you are considering buying a new bike >DEFINITELY read this. > >A little over a month ago, my 1999 Triumph Daytona >955i's engine blows up for no reason. I was on a road >trip in New England and just south of Boston at the >time. (For those of you who know Chris Weaver, he was >with me). Had the bike towed through AMA motow to a >shop in MA. Cut my trip short and shelled out the >cash for a flight home. > >A month later Triumph America and I are negotiating >the "details" of getting the bike fixed. For over a >month, I am hanging out wasting one of the best riding >months of the year. (Still waiting right now). >Anyway, there was some body damage on the bike so I >offered to pay all of my expenses (flight home, flight >to go pick up the bike, etc.) if they fixed my >plastic. The retail cost of the parts was about $1500 >and my expenses would be a little over $500. So I >figured, both parties could walk away happy because >the retail cost of the parts is not what Triumph would >have to pay and it would be easier for them to simply >replace parts rather than write me a check for my >expenses. > >On top of that deal, I expected Triumph to pay for the >500 mile service and give me a new 2 year warranty - >considering it was a new (rebuilt) motor and all. > >Well Triumph comes back to me with the laughable offer >of me paying for all of the expenses, they give me one >body part of choice (out of three total needed - worth >~$500) and they pay for the 500 mile service. I asked >about the warranty and he said they would not extend >it. He said I still have 11 months left on it and >that was good enough! I mentioned to the guy that >this incident occurred just a week over the one year >anniversary of its purchase date. What if that >happened again with the new motor? He said nothing. >Way to stand behind your bikes Triumph. > >I then proceeded to say well there is obviously no >deal there - I might as well simply go the original >route and expense everything and ride with the busted >up body work. He said, "That was never offered." >Then he continued saying that in warranty cases that >technically it was my responsibility to get the bike >to the dealer and back. The fact that they were >"giving" me one body panel was generous. I said, even >if I am out of town and incur significant expenses >just to get home when it was totally Triumph's fault >through a defect in their product? "Yes." > >Bottom line - Triumph blows and I think you should >stay away from anything that bears their name. I can >tolerate a defect but when they try to screw you after >that, it is just unbearable. All I ever heard while >looking into Triumph before I bought it was how good >they are and how hard they work to maintain customer >loyalty - especially when dealing with the stiff >cometition of the big four. I have not seen one lick >of that when it really counted. > >I am in the process of talking with a lawyer and >sueing Triumph America under the VA Lemon Law. I know >that this entitles me to all expenses due to the >defect, legal fees, and more (not much more but still >something). So now, I can't take the bike back until >all of the legal hassles are handled. Thanks Triumph >- you really did a great job with customer service on >this one! > >Any of you Triumph lovers want to discuss this with >me? I would love to take out my frustration some >more. > > --Paresh > 99 Triumph Daytona 955i > but looking to change ASAP!!! > > >PS - for those of you that are going to respond that >the big four would treat you even worse - keep in mind >that this is my 3rd bike. The first was a beat up old >88 CBR 600 Hurricane and a 95 RF900 neither of which >EVER had any major problems. My response to you would >be, well I never had to deal with them on warranty >problems which is the ideal scenario!!! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 --------------------------------- You don't quit riding because you get old. You get old because you quit riding! From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 16:04:32 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:45:57 EDT Subject: Re: Fried Wiring Harness, Trip Interrupted, Happy Ending (longish) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/2/00 3:34:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rmeyer@XXXXXX writes: > To say nothing of the fact that very, very few riders can exceed the limits > of a stickly street tire anyway. And even those who can have no business > doing so on public roads. If you're pushing that hard on the street, big > time trouble awaits. Amen to that brother! (Although... there's a difference between being ABLE to outride a street tire, and actually doing so on the street ::grin::) I mounted the new Pilot DOT street tires to my Duc and see absolutly no reason to have a different tire on that bike on the street. On their maiden voyage the tires performed wonderfully up and down 211 at my usual street pace (about half race pace) and never slid or did anything that would make me think I needed a race tire. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 16:19:06 2000 From: "Swifty" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: CBX Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:58:52 -0400 I didn't want to put all those Italian beauties to shame.... 8>) The more cylinders the better............ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 16:33:30 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:33:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: CBX To: Swifty , DC Cycles plus the announcer would have scoffed at your scoot and referred to it as "sushi" made me a little embarrassed to own an italian bike when i heard that shit --- Swifty wrote: > I didn't want to put all those Italian beauties to > shame.... 8>) > > The more cylinders the better............ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 16:52:11 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: , "Daniel Kinney" Subject: RIDE THIS SATURDAY Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:52:25 -0400 excuse the all caps-but figured it would get the attention of those just scrolling through the digest version. Ok, had a few suggestions to make the ride a little bit later on Saturday morning to allow for it to warm up a little bit. Relaxed Ride Meeting place: Sheetz in Haymarket at corner of rts. 55 and 15 Time: 10 am, leaving NLT 10:30 Trip mileage: approx. 105 Ride leaders: Laura, James H. Make sure you fill up your tank before we leave, as this route only has two places we will stop for a break, and one of them doesn't have gas. Lunch at Joe's afterwards (pizza, pasta, sandwiches, hamburgers, etc.) for all that wish to stay and eat. Should be plenty of room for all of us. This time we will be putting the "faster" riders up toward the front of the groups and those that think they'll be a little bit slower toward the back to make the break-up of the groups work a little bit better. Also, if anyone will volunteer to sweep this ride, It'd be much appreciated. And also, again, feel free to bring anyone else you'd like...just remember, this is a relaxed ride...there will be no "spirited" group. See you Saturday. Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 16:54:39 2000 From: "Swifty" To: "Tom Gimer" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: CBX Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:54:08 -0400 PLUS the sushi would be pooped out as fried rice from six pipes From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 16:55:25 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: FitE VI To: "Tanner, Linda" Cc: "DC-CYCLES \(E-mail\)" > "Tanner, Linda" wrote: > > > > Ya talked me into it. If I had an envelope, I'd send my registration in. > > They don't do paypal, do they? > > They might, ask the rallymaster, my bud, Bryan Moody, bmoody@XXXXXX He sent a note on LDRiders saying he would accept PayPal, but reg deadline is Monday (TODAY!) > Come to our little planning session at the Horkster residence, > Sunday, October 8th. 11 am. (Open Invitation to all DC Cycles > members). I won't be attending FitE this year, but will be at the planning anyway. Good way to get some hints, ideas, b.s. and other stuff. :-) > >> Anyone else interested in an 11 hour rally format, details are > >> here: http://automated-design.com/fitevi/ Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 17:52:40 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:52:13 EDT Subject: Re: CBX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX A guy entered his Triumph Daytona, but couldn't compete with the sound from the twins. :) Great looking CBX by the way! Rob In a message dated 10/2/00 4:20:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cbxturbo@XXXXXX writes: > I didn't want to put all those Italian beauties to shame.... 8>) > > The more cylinders the better............ Note: This message may contain sarcasm. If you can't take sarcasm, please disregard this message and get a life. :) From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 18:03:30 2000 From: "James Reazor" To: Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:45:21 -0400 > > >And hey, there is nothing I like better than good looking women (wearing > > >leather of course), and a good cup of coffee. > > > > I can think of lots of things I like better than those two specific > > examples ;-) > > > > Most of them involve one or the other though > > ahhh, always interesting to listen to the men....lol! > > Laura > I don't think many guys would disagree with Mike on this one, Laura. Can't help it we're just wired that way. James From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 18:17:45 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: "James Reazor" , Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:17:51 -0400 > > ahhh, always interesting to listen to the men....lol! > > > > Laura > > > > I don't think many guys would disagree with Mike on this one, Laura. Can't > help it we're just wired that way. > > > James: I totally agree, I just always find it fun to listen to men talk about women...it just cracks me up, that's all...what, you don't think we talk about you guys that way? :-) Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 19:12:51 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:11:35 EDT Subject: My Italian Motorcycle Festival pics To: motoguzzi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, roadhouse@XXXXXX Here are my pics from the Italian Motorcycle Festival. There are some duplicate shots due to the change in lighting during the day. If anyone can help me identify the bikes, please feel free to e-mail me. Thanks! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1241593&a=9171502 Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 19:11:58 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:13:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Corbin Seats To: DC Cycles , soc-usa@XXXXXX Hi folks- I just breezed through the Corbin website looking for a more comfortable seat for my GS500E. Can any listers justify the $250.00 cost for the sporty model, and $500.00 for a touring model that includes a backrest for a passenger? The bike cost less than $4k brand new. I can't imagine $500.00 for a seat. Any other brands I should look at? Please help! Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 19:16:36 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:16:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Trickle Charger To: DC Cycles , soc-usa@XXXXXX I don't know if anyone already posted this, but from Motorcyclist Magazine, Sept 2000 (page 78)... ICP Global Technologies (www.icpglobal.com) has a solar powered trickle charger. For $39.99, the charger uses solar energy to trickle charge your 12 volt battery with 1.8 watts of output. Works in daylight (even cloudy whether they say) and comes with 20 feet of wire so you can store your bike inside while sticking the charger out in the yard. Sounds pretty neato. Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 19:35:56 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: paging danny thompson Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:36:09 -0400 Danny: send me an e-mail when you have a chance. Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 19:43:09 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:42 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: riding schools The subject of schools has come up so I'll post this link to interactive motorcycle. The article's fairly long but is very good and gives a review of several of the more popular riding schools out there including: Spencer, Code, CLASS, STAR and others. http://www.activebike.com/index/features/education/education.htm I attended CLASS earlier this year and it was worth every cent. I'm definitely going back next year and may even hit 2 of them. Pocono was a great track to take it at. it's shorter than most of the others so you spend more time in turns than burning down straights which any fool can do. keep the shiny side up! Rob From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 20:16:12 2000 From: "Richard L. Casale" To: "M Brodie" , , Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:17:30 -0400 Dude, name the day and I'll be there with my sparkling new '00 bumblebee. Cheers, RICHARD L. CASALE, Intranet Web Developer + Ride: Y2k VFR800 Interceptor + Email: RichCasale@XXXXXX + Website: http://cj33046-a.alex1.va.home.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Brodie" To: ; Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N > Hey folks, > > I was hanging out in the Barnes & Noble in Rockville when I looked out the window and saw that someone had placed tank and saddle bags on my VFR. I was about to go see what the heck was going on when 2 more bikes pulled up, an R1 and a GSX600. I looked at my bike and discovered it wasn't actually my bike! it was actually someone else with a bright yellow 00' VFR like > mine! I laughed and cried (not really) after discovering someone else had the level headed sensibility that I did. Well actually, I am not sensible or level headed but it was nice to not feel like I am the only Viffer in a sea of DC R1s. Don't get me wrong I love R1s, but I bought a VFR. I know there are other viffers in this area, but I never see them where I usually > like to hang out so it was kinda a spiritual moment (not really). Well now that I have rambled on enough, Bikers took over the Barnes and Noble yesterday evening, we all parked right in front of the store. There were a couple of Harleys, an R1, a GSX6 and 2 VFRs later that evening we went for a night ride. It was really fun cuz there is no place for sports bike riders to > hang out in Rockville MD as cool as B&N (it would be much better if there was beer there but coffee is ok). That's why I propose making our mark on the B&N on 355 in Rockville. It should be an official sport bike hangout spot, there's lots of parking. If you are by the area, park out front of the Starbucks and claim the front parking spaces as biker territory. Get a cup > of coffee and read a book dammit! Hopefully, when I go on any given Friday, Saturday or Sunday, I will have a few bikers to chat with. And did I mention the female hotties that hang out at the bookstore? Reason enough! I'll see you there.....>Winterman > > Free New Mp3 Music By Winterman "http://www.mp3.com/winterman" > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 21:41:35 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:41:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Paresh Karandikar Subject: Re: Triumph blows To: rmeyer@XXXXXX, dc DC-Cycles Thanks for the input. Actually, from what I remember of reading on the VA Lemon Law, the manufacturer is obligated to pay whatever expenses caused by the defect. The body work was not caused by the defect - that was why I was trying to negotiate for it. Since it wasn't working out, I was willing to accept that and simply get my expenses back and start riding again. But then he (Jerry Parrish - the guy mentioned in another posting earlier) said that was never offered. If the body work was caused by the defect, there would have been no argument - they would have had to fix it. I'm not happy that they can't trade bodywork for expenses, but I can accept it. But I don't think they can just absolve themselves of expenses that their defect directly caused me! I am afraid that you are right about any legal obligation to extend the warranty though. I'm not sure I agree with your example about the Ford flipping. And if that was the case - I am almost sure that the consumer can sue (Ford maybe instead of Firestone) for the other expenses (i.e. rental car, other mechanical damage, etc.) Well we will see what the lawyer has to say. I'll keep the list updated. Of course, it's easy for people to claim Triumph is really good when it comes to little things, which is what I heard throughout my research when looking into buying one. When it really mattered, they were no different than any other corporation. I also don't agree with simply accepting their offer. I have to see what my options are before I do that. It really urks me when corporations do stuff like this and assume the helpless consumer will just bend over and take it. If more people at least tried to fight, they might not be so quick to simply throw a measley bone and hope the consumer goes away. --Paresh ------------------------------------------------- I won't argue that maybe Triumph shouldn't treat you better, but virtually every warranty I've ever read specifically exludes coverage for ancillary expenses. If your tire blows and makes your Ford flip, Firestone's warranty still only pays to replace the tire (prorated for mileage, at that). I'm sure that Triumph is legally in the clear about not paying for anything but the repair itself, and about not extending the warranty. I'm not familiar with the details of VA's lemon law, but most such laws require that the manufacturer has attempted, and failed, to repair the same problem mutliple times. Or that the vehicle has had a certain number of failures in a specified period of time. Good luck, but if I were in your shoes I'd take their offer. Unless the body damage was caused by the motor failure, Triumph has absolutely no obligation at all to help you there. I suspect it's the best deal you're likely to get. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 21:50:58 2000 From: "Keith Lamond" To: "Matthew Rosenstock" , "DC Cycles" , Subject: Re: Corbin Seats Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:50:35 -0400 I've got a Corbin seat on my Nighthawk S, and it is much more comfortable for long rides than the stock seat. 2 questions for you: How much long distance riding are you planning on doing, and how long do you plan on keeping the bike? Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Rosenstock" To: "DC Cycles" ; Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 7:13 PM Subject: Corbin Seats > Hi folks- I just breezed through the Corbin website > looking for a more comfortable seat for my GS500E. Can > any listers justify the $250.00 cost for the sporty > model, and $500.00 for a touring model that includes a > backrest for a passenger? > > The bike cost less than $4k brand new. I can't imagine > $500.00 for a seat. > > Any other brands I should look at? > > Please help! > > Matthew Rosenstock > Suzuki GS500E > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 22:15:01 2000 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Italian Show Ride Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:09:48 -0400 **** From: "Rob Keiser" ...snip The bees were a pain, but the roads there and back were a blast! Great leading Jay and George!! Good weather, good food, nice bikes, fun people and great roads. It doesn't get much better! Rob '98 VFR800 **** Seconds. And more thanks, Jay, for the plan. Thoroughly enjoyable. Glad to help with the patchtools and follow, Keith -- could not have comfortably caught the Redskins and Races while a fellow rider is dealing with bike repairs on a Sunday in the outbacks! (Had taped the races, incidentally -- haven't seen many on TV, but that camera work riveted me.) Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> rode hard, put away wet Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 08:06:50 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:06:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles a comfortable seat is the best investment you'll ever make if you do any long-distance riding. well worth the $250, imo, because corbin is the best in the business (for now). i am a little frustrated by their prices too (has anyone seen what they are charging for plastic, integrated saddlebags? it's preposterus.) i wouldn't bother spending $500 on a touring seat w/ backrest.....unless you're doing a lot of two-up touring on that 500 (not likely). sargent is the brand that is mentioned after corbin....but i have never sat on their products. i'm pretty sure they use your stock seat innards and re-cover them. cheaper. --- Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > Hi folks- I just breezed through the Corbin website > looking for a more comfortable seat for my GS500E. Can > any listers justify the $250.00 cost for the sporty > model, and $500.00 for a touring model that includes a > backrest for a passenger? > > The bike cost less than $4k brand new. I can't imagine > $500.00 for a seat. > > Any other brands I should look at? > > Please help! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 08:18:24 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:17:52 -0400 From: X To: SOC-USA@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [SOC-USA] Trickle Charger you could buy it cheaper on harborfreight.com Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > I don't know if anyone already posted this, but from > Motorcyclist Magazine, Sept 2000 (page 78)... > > ICP Global Technologies (www.icpglobal.com) has a > solar powered trickle charger. For $39.99, the charger > uses solar energy to trickle charge your 12 volt > battery with 1.8 watts of output. Works in daylight > (even cloudy whether they say) and comes with 20 feet > of wire so you can store your bike inside while > sticking the charger out in the yard. > > Sounds pretty neato. > > Matthew Rosenstock > Suzuki GS500E > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > SOC-USA-unsubscribe@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 08:54:21 2000 From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Corbin Seats Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:53:59 -0400 Sargent does both - new seat pan or recovering your stock pan. I have a replacement seat for my CBR. I also have a Corbin for the CBR that I'm selling. The Sargent is as comfy or comfier and weighs significantly less. It has the added bonus of the fold away cargo hooks that are way cool. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Tom Gimer said: a comfortable seat is the best investment you'll ever make if you do any long-distance riding. well worth the $250, imo, because corbin is the best in the business (for now). i am a little frustrated by their prices too (has anyone seen what they are charging for plastic, integrated saddlebags? it's preposterus.) i wouldn't bother spending $500 on a touring seat w/ backrest.....unless you're doing a lot of two-up touring on that 500 (not likely). sargent is the brand that is mentioned after corbin....but i have never sat on their products. i'm pretty sure they use your stock seat innards and re-cover them. cheaper. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 09:02:58 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:05:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, soc-usa@XXXXXX Well, I will probably keep the bike another 2-3 years. Now that I found the DC-Cycles list, I plan to attend many more distance rides. I ride on my own a lot, but rarely more than 120 miles in one shot. I also plan a little more two up riding next year. It sounds like I should go for at least the touring model, maybe not with the backrest. Eventually I plan on purchasing an SV, but I'm getting married and buying a house in 2001, so the SV will have to wait until I'm ready. Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E --- Keith Lamond wrote: > I've got a Corbin seat on my Nighthawk S, and it is > much more comfortable > for long rides than the stock seat. > > 2 questions for you: How much long distance riding > are you planning on > doing, and how long do you plan on keeping the bike? > > Keith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew Rosenstock" > To: "DC Cycles" ; > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 7:13 PM > Subject: Corbin Seats > > > > Hi folks- I just breezed through the Corbin > website > > looking for a more comfortable seat for my GS500E. > Can > > any listers justify the $250.00 cost for the > sporty > > model, and $500.00 for a touring model that > includes a > > backrest for a passenger? > > > > The bike cost less than $4k brand new. I can't > imagine > > $500.00 for a seat. > > > > Any other brands I should look at? > > > > Please help! > > > > Matthew Rosenstock > > Suzuki GS500E > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 > Free! > > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 09:16:47 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SToppie - brandishing a weapon Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:24:02 -0700 On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:26:30 -0400, you wrote: |>Good advice given - stay away from all diplomatic plates. Better advice: stay away from all vehicles (and objects). The more space between you and everything around you, the better. Doesn't take a hard collision to knock us off balance, and falling onto the ground with traffic around, I really wouldnt' care what kind of plates were on said vehicle. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 09:17:02 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First Stoppie - Unintentional (and cross-posted) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:24:17 -0700 |>And I NEVER want to do it that way again. Just when you thought stoppies were for squids, right? Personally, I think people should learn to do stoppies, so they are comfortable with maximum braking. I know a person who washed out their front wheel of a 600, only to buy a 900. If you can't stop the bike you had, why get a bike that goes even faster? So anyway, back to my point.. go ahead and be "squidly" and learn to do stoppies, because they can be practical and useful in the real world of oblivious drivers. In emergency braking like that, the rear wheel comes off the ground. Personally I pull the clutch in and don't use the rear brake to avoid fish tailing while the rear wheel is still on the ground. Another thing I can learn from this experience is, once a driver demonstrates he's a dangerous moron, keep him in front of you, not behind or beside.. just sacrafice a little time playing babysitter watching his every move so that you gaurantee he's not plowing into you. As for the anger.. chalk it up as an oppertuntiy to learn to calm your anger... you may save yourself from a manslaughter charge later on, with that self control. Control your passions less they control you. In summation: 1. Do stoppies/endos - you get good at using your brakes to their limits 2. Keep unsafe drivers in front of you 3. Anger - just let it go Daniel cars are stupid and have contagious coodies, stay away from them From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 09:27:27 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:26:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: [SOC-USA] Trickle Charger To: SOC-USA@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles I checked Horrible Freight online and could not find one for the MC. Everything I see plugs in to the cig lighter. Did you buy one from there online? Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E --- X wrote: > you could buy it cheaper on harborfreight.com > > Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > > > I don't know if anyone already posted this, but > from > > Motorcyclist Magazine, Sept 2000 (page 78)... > > > > ICP Global Technologies (www.icpglobal.com) has a > > solar powered trickle charger. For $39.99, the > charger > > uses solar energy to trickle charge your 12 volt > > battery with 1.8 watts of output. Works in > daylight > > (even cloudy whether they say) and comes with 20 > feet > > of wire so you can store your bike inside while > > sticking the charger out in the yard. > > > > Sounds pretty neato. > > > > Matthew Rosenstock > > Suzuki GS500E > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 > Free! > > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > SOC-USA-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 09:29:25 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 'Lomats and knowing how to ride - and being seen Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:36:40 -0700 |>where I had to merge, he still hadn't let me in...finally I found myself |>saying "damn it asshole, the least you could do is let me over." The guy |>turned, and with a surprised look (although I was more surprised b/c I |>didn't think I said it *that* loud) gave me a look of "whoa, I didn't even |>see you there" even though I'd been riding next to him trying to merge for a Was it possible to accellerate, atleast to line up with his front bumper? Sometimes 'aggressive' riding is defensive driving. If you're going to ride beside a car (meaning if you have to), it's better to be in your lane (on the far side) and lined up with his front fender than his rear fender. Then he has a lot better chance of noticing you. Also you might want to try swapping your head light out for a blue headlight..or use your highbeams.. or get one of those pretty rainbow prisms that sleeve your headlight...it does make you more noticable. I have it on my bike.. but i probably should take it off.. I ride around and assume the next move every car can make... and when they dont' notice me, i can predict their moves..when they do notice me.. that's when they do half assed maneuvers :) Or you might want to have your headlight aim checked. I light to have mine aimed just below a cars side mirror... so when I hit a bump, they get a little low beam flash to notice me (at night).. and in the day time, I use high beams sometimes (especially in heavy traffic).. because high beams are only annoying in the daytime if you look directly into them, other wise they just are attention grabbing. (note: that's in the sun/daylight not the shade) Daniel Ride to be seen, don't ride along in the herd, the herd gets slaughtered. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 09:33:53 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 'Lomats and knowing how to ride Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:41:05 -0700 |> Why, because he was too busy to be concerned about the task at hand |>[driving] regardless of who he was endangering ? |>You owe absolutely nothing to an idiot like that. True.. I want to point out that a rider should take the initiative to either accellerate or slow down to TAKE/MAKE their own position when merging.. Riding along beside a cage is a bad habbit. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 09:34:56 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:34:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: FW: Corbin Seats To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Are these online somewhere? Dennis Kirk does not carry Sargent brand. Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E --- "Tanner, Linda" wrote: > Sargent does both - new seat pan or recovering your > stock pan. I have a > replacement seat for my CBR. I also have a Corbin > for the CBR that I'm > selling. The Sargent is as comfy or comfier and > weighs significantly less. > It has the added bonus of the fold away cargo hooks > that are way cool. > > LindaT. > Springfield, VA, USA > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) > 00 KLR250 Tenzing > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 09:43:53 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:43:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: Tom Gimer , Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles Conventional wisdom on the Long Distance list is that Russell (www.day-long.com)is the best in the business. Their prices are similar to Corbin, their seats are particularly ugly, Louis Caplan and Dale Horstman each have one. If I ever figure out what bike I'm going to keep, I'll order one, too. Leon. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > a comfortable seat is the best investment you'll > ever make > if you do any long-distance riding. well worth the > $250, > imo, because corbin is the best in the business (for > now). > > i am a little frustrated by their prices too (has > anyone > seen what they are charging for plastic, integrated > saddlebags? it's preposterus.) > > i wouldn't bother spending $500 on a touring seat w/ > backrest.....unless you're doing a lot of two-up > touring on > that 500 (not likely). > > sargent is the brand that is mentioned after > corbin....but > i have never sat on their products. i'm pretty sure > they > use your stock seat innards and re-cover them. > cheaper. > > > --- Matthew Rosenstock > wrote: > > Hi folks- I just breezed through the Corbin > website > > looking for a more comfortable seat for my GS500E. > Can > > any listers justify the $250.00 cost for the > sporty > > model, and $500.00 for a touring model that > includes a > > backrest for a passenger? > > > > The bike cost less than $4k brand new. I can't > imagine > > $500.00 for a seat. > > > > Any other brands I should look at? > > > > Please help! > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 > Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 09:57:47 2000 From: "Rob Keiser" To: m_rosenstock@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Corbin Seats Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:57:29 EDT Try: http://www.SargentCycle.com/ I just got one for my VFR and I love it. YMMV I ordered mine through Arizona Motorsports. They can probably get one for you, if available. Here's their site: http://store.yahoo.com/azmotorsports/ Hope this helps. Rob '98 VFR800 >From: Matthew Rosenstock >To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: FW: Corbin Seats >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:34:52 -0700 (PDT) > >Are these online somewhere? Dennis Kirk does not carry >Sargent brand. > >Matthew Rosenstock >Suzuki GS500E > >--- "Tanner, Linda" wrote: > > Sargent does both - new seat pan or recovering your > > stock pan. I have a > > replacement seat for my CBR. I also have a Corbin > > for the CBR that I'm > > selling. The Sargent is as comfy or comfier and > > weighs significantly less. > > It has the added bonus of the fold away cargo hooks > > that are way cool. > > > > LindaT. > > Springfield, VA, USA > > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > > 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) > > 00 KLR250 Tenzing > > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! >http://photos.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 10:03:45 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:03:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: Leon Begeman , Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles --- Leon Begeman wrote: > Conventional wisdom on the Long Distance list is that > Russell (www.day-long.com)is the best in the business. > Their prices are similar to Corbin, their seats are > particularly ugly, leon, is this the way you wanted this to come out? ugly is not something i want for my m/c! i'd prefer to have a good looking seat on my cycle....i guess that's why i've owned 2 corbins (we're dealing in the subjective, i know). but i've also done a SS1K in a corbin on my 900RR....so i can attest to their long-distance capability as well. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 10:16:10 2000 From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: RE: FW: Corbin Seats Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:15:47 -0400 Check them out at http://www.sargentcycle.com/ Good customer service - completely unlike Corbin. HTH LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Rosenstock [mailto:m_rosenstock@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:35 AM To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Corbin Seats Are these online somewhere? Dennis Kirk does not carry Sargent brand. Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 10:20:37 2000 From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Erratum concerning my D207s... Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:20:42 -0400 Please excuse my misstatement of yesterday. I do NOT have the 207 GP I have the 207 SportMax, much like the BT56SS or Michelin Pilot Sport. My aim was to get something gooey for winter commuting, and a hard to warm DOT race tire would certainly not be what I wanted. Thanks to all who pointed out this error. Crash (SportMax -- a goofy name, but serious grip.) AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 10:22:54 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/02/00 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:22:44 EDT Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Italian Motorcycle festival photos To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- George Cole wrote: >Good Morning everyone, > >I have posted some images from yesterdays MC festival in >Shepherdstown. Here is a link. > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=986620&a=9149695 > > >It turned out to be a great day, i have to say that i was rather unimpressed with the italian motorcycle "festival." it was neat to see a bunch of italian bikes all in one place, but that's about it. of course it is not easy to organize a get-together like this, and it sounded as if this was the event's first year, but the group i met there all echoed the same criticisms: -a $10 admission charge gave you the right to: 1. pay for lunch, of which there was one choice; and 2. win a t-shirt -there were NO vendors peddling goods (okay, one selling t-shirts....that don't count) -the bike show was limited (not that the bikes weren't interesting....it's just that there weren't many) -> Yeah, the cost thing was disappointing...NOT! Having travelled with -> a couple other MOFOS heading east out of Grafton, WV, and intending -> to meet you there, we finally found Shepardstown at around 3pm. We -> missed you, but the gatekeepers let us in FREE (we already decided -> not to pay anything anyway) because they figured it was all over -> anyway. And having not stopped for lunch, I was handed a big plate -> of ziti and lasagna with bread and a coke for a whopping $2! They -> trying to get rid of it. -> -> I liked this show! Oh, the bikes were ok too. -> -> Todd _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 10:29:57 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:24:33 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Stoppie's >>> wrote "Personally, I think people should learn to do stoppies, so they are comfortable with maximum braking." I have tried to get the rear up on my VFR, just to get a feel of the braking limits and I can't do it. Its either Honda's linked brakes or my fat A$$. But I can do reverse stoppies all day. I will probally put some steel braided brake lines on the front as a winter project. George Cole 00 VFR . From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 10:30:47 2000 From: Danny Thompson To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: VIR this weekend Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:34:28 -0400 Encoding: 10 TEXT Anyone going to VIR this weekend looking for a roommate? Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '00 SV www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 11:17:25 2000 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:16:47 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: Stoppie's To: "'George Cole'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Would you mind explaining a "reverse stoppie"? -Calvin > -----Original Message----- > From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:25 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > Subject: Stoppie's > > > >>> wrote > > "Personally, I think people should learn to do stoppies, so they are > comfortable with maximum braking." > > > I have tried to get the rear up on my VFR, just to get a feel > of the braking limits and I can't do it. Its either Honda's > linked brakes or my fat A$$. > > But I can do reverse stoppies all day. > > I will probally put some steel braided brake lines on the > front as a winter project. > > George Cole > 00 VFR > > . > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 11:17:29 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:15:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: Matthew Rosenstock Cc: Tom Gimer , DC Cycles Tom Gimer wrote: > > a comfortable seat is the best investment you'll ever make > if you do any long-distance riding. well worth the $250, > imo, because corbin is the best in the business (for now). I agree with everything Tom said, if you substitute "Russel" for "corbin" in the above paragraph. :) Russell is simply the best if you are looking for all day comfort. Ugly as hell, but worth the money IMO. http://www.day-long.com/ - there are pictures of saddles on various models of bikes. They build the seat on your stock seat pan. Horkster, happy with his secondhand Russell -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 11:17:41 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:22:03 -0400 From: M Brodie To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rockville Starbucks/Barnes & Noble Ok Folks, Heres the deal. I am thinking about Sunday evening at about 4pm having all the local sport riders converge on the Rockville Starbucks/Barnes & Noble (Rt355 MD by Montrose/Randolph Road). It is definately a good place for sport bikers (Hooters is for Harleys though I go there from time to time for uh......wings). Unfortunately & also fortunately, there is no beer there, but that does not stop the festivities. There will be other drinks and food (If you buy them yourself from Starbucks) and probably a good ammount of people there already. If the 15 min parking spaces there are open, park your bike there (rear-in) and we will all take over the front area parking as other cars move. You can park your bike there for as long as you want without hassle. Now remember, you didn't hear this from me, cuz its not an officially sanctioned event, we just want to make that area new biker territory. I am pretty sure others will come once they see the array of bright yellow and red VFRs (heh). Well, I will be there after my long day ride and who knows, we might have a squid fest in the parking lot (not really). Its a 3 day weekend for most of us, so you know you don't have an excuse for not hanging out. Non VFR and Female bikers should attend as well! I have a couple of friends on YZF 600s and an R1 so you won't be alone. Remember, if this ends up being huge, I didn't start it!.................Your pal.............Winterman http://www.mp3.com/winterman From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 11:23:31 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:23:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: Tom Gimer , Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles I just tells it as I sees it. Russell's are ugly, they are also the best there is for distance riding. If you want something that looks good and is better than stock for distance riding, get a Corbin. If you want the best there is for distance riding, get a Russell. I've done several SS1Ks, a couple of BBGs and a few trips of more 5000 to 8000 miles on a stock seat. When I start taking long trips, I'm going to get a Russell. Leon. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > Conventional wisdom on the Long Distance list is > that > > Russell (www.day-long.com)is the best in the > business. > > Their prices are similar to Corbin, their seats > are > > particularly ugly, > > leon, is this the way you wanted this to come out? > ugly is > not something i want for my m/c! > > i'd prefer to have a good looking seat on my > cycle....i > guess that's why i've owned 2 corbins (we're dealing > in the > subjective, i know). but i've also done a SS1K in a > corbin > on my 900RR....so i can attest to their > long-distance > capability as well. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 11:39:54 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:37:07 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: Tom Gimer Cc: Leon Begeman , Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles Tom Gimer wrote: > leon, is this the way you wanted this to come out? ugly is > not something i want for my m/c! Ugly is also subjective. My butt thinks the Russell looks beautiful. :) And my eyes can't see the seat when I'm riding it. :) Maybe my seat has "character"? :) > i'd prefer to have a good looking seat on my cycle....i > guess that's why i've owned 2 corbins (we're dealing in the > subjective, i know). Corbins are hit or miss. Either you find them comfortable or you don't. I've never put any real miles on one to find out. What I have noticed about Corbins is their tendency to rip along seams, and to come unglued from the foam in spots (especially if the seat is dished a bit), which looks kind of weird. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 11:45:13 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:39:01 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , , Subject: RE: Stoppie's >>> "Ledford, Calvin" wrote Would you mind explaining a "reverse stoppie"? Do I have to exlplain everything? Its when you get your Goldwing going real fast in reverse and hit the rear brake... From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 12:07:52 2000 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Stoppie's Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:02:40 -0400 Worth reposting: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=107565&a=798681&p=22362539 Would you mind explaining a "reverse stoppie"? Do I have to exlplain everything? Its when you get your Goldwing going real fast in reverse and hit the rear brake... From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 12:48:22 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:48:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: Tom Gimer , DC Cycles -- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > Conventional wisdom on the Long Distance list is that > > Russell (www.day-long.com)is the best in the business. > > Their prices are similar to Corbin, their seats are > > particularly ugly, > > leon, is this the way you wanted this to come out? ugly is > not something i want for my m/c! I honestly like the looks of my Russell. I got it with large rectangles, which looks a lot better than the small squares or diamonds that some people get. You can see it at: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/photos (second to last photo) Or to see just the Russel you can go to: http://members.nbci.com/nighthawk700/photos/russell.JPG Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://MD-20-20.tripod.com Home Page: http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 13:20:50 2000 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: I can officially say "Now I've seen it all" !!! Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:06:01 -0400 http://www.viberider.com Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 13:54:49 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:59:47 -0700 From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles , Suzuki Bikes Subject: Bike Night next Tuesday Just a reminder that Bike Night is next Tuesday at Grevey's in Falls Church, VA. All the details are on the website: http://www.geocities.com/bikenight Hope to see y'all there! Chuck, aka Skittles, aka Shooter '93 GSXR750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 14:23:56 2000 Date: 3 Oct 2000 11:23:44 -0700 To: fj1100@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I can officially say "Now I've seen it all" !!! On Tue, 03 October 2000, "Gary Foreman" wrote: > > > > http://www.viberider.com LMAO! First of all....how did you come across that? :-) Second of all, what if it's a man on the back??? Think it would work just as well? :-) I don't know what you all think...but if that's what the world is coming to in terms of getting your woman off, we have a serious problem on our hands....!!!! ROTFLMAO... Laura > > > > > Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club > gary@XXXXXX > http://www.tl1000.com > ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 14:39:07 2000 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "LAURA GRANATO" Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: I can officially say "Now I've seen it all" !!! Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:21:53 -0400 It's in the back of this months "Motor Cyclist"! I think they make a Vacu-Jack for the guys :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:24 PM > To: fj1100@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: I can officially say "Now I've seen it all" !!! > > > On Tue, 03 October 2000, "Gary Foreman" wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://www.viberider.com > > LMAO! First of all....how did you come across that? :-) Second > of all, what if it's a man on the back??? Think it would work > just as well? :-) > > I don't know what you all think...but if that's what the world is > coming to in terms of getting your woman off, we have a serious > problem on our hands....!!!! ROTFLMAO... > > Laura > > > > > > > > > > Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club > > gary@XXXXXX > > http://www.tl1000.com > > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 14:44:19 2000 Date: 3 Oct 2000 11:44:06 -0700 To: fj1100@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I can officially say "Now I've seen it all" !!! On Tue, 03 October 2000, "Gary Foreman" wrote: > > It's in the back of this months "Motor Cyclist"! wow...I missed that...will have to go back and look again...not > I think they make a Vacu-Jack for the guys :-) hmmmm...would be interested to see how that one works...with stuff like this, maybe you guys will never need us gals again...lol > > > > ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 14:44:23 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:44:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: Leon Begeman , Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles --- Leon Begeman wrote: > I just tells it as I sees it. > > Russell's are ugly, they are also the best there is > for distance riding. If you want something that looks > good and is better than stock for distance riding, get > a Corbin. If you want the best there is for distance > riding, get a Russell. > > I've done several SS1Ks, a couple of BBGs and a few > trips of more 5000 to 8000 miles on a stock seat. > When I start taking long trips, I'm going to get a > Russell. when you start taking LONG trips???? leon, you take a long trip (by most peoples' standards) every weekend. you should be sponsored by a seatmaker, for pete's sake! i'm amazed you do it all on a stock seat....and i thought i liked pain. i'm sure leon's right about the russels....it's just that i've never heard of a plug for a product which flatly states that it is perfectly functional, yet heinous! russell for iron butt-ers corbin or sargent for marked improvement over stock > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > > Conventional wisdom on the Long Distance list is > > > that Russell (www.day-long.com)is the best in the > > > business. Their prices are similar to Corbin, their > > > seats are particularly ugly, > > > > leon, is this the way you wanted this to come out? > > ugly is not something i want for my m/c! > > > > i'd prefer to have a good looking seat on my > > cycle.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 14:48:10 2000 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FW: Stoppie's Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:45:28 -0400 wouldn't that be called a "fallie"? -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:39 AM To: cledford@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Stoppie's >>> "Ledford, Calvin" wrote Would you mind explaining a "reverse stoppie"? Do I have to exlplain everything? Its when you get your Goldwing going real fast in reverse and hit the rear brake... From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 15:04:34 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:04:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/02/00 To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Todd Peer wrote: > Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > Subject: Re: Italian Motorcycle festival photos > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > i have to say that i was rather unimpressed with the > italian motorcycle "festival." it was neat to see a > bunch of italian bikes all in one place, but that's about > it. of course it is not easy to organize a get-together > like this, and it sounded as if this was the event's first > year, but the group i met there all echoed the same > criticisms: > > -a $10 admission charge gave you the right to: > 1. pay for lunch, of which there was one choice; and > 2. win a t-shirt > -there were NO vendors peddling goods (okay, one selling > t-shirts....that don't count) > -the bike show was limited (not that the bikes weren't > interesting....it's just that there weren't many) > > -> Yeah, the cost thing was disappointing...NOT! Having travelled with a couple other MOFOS heading east out of Grafton, WV, and intending to meet you there, we finally found Shepardstown at around 3pm. We missed you, but the gatekeepers let us in FREE (we already decided not to pay anything anyway) because they figured it was all over anyway. <- lucky bastards! sorry....but after about 2 hours there, we had had enough and hit the pavement for home. i hadn't heard from you guys over the weekend, and didn't know whether or not you would be trying to meet up. -> And having not stopped for lunch, I was handed a big plate of ziti and lasagna with bread and a coke for a whopping $2! They trying to get rid of it. <- ZITI??? i got lasagna only. i paid $3. i'm beginning to see a pattern here. they obviously appreciated all of the "sushi" you guys brought with you!! couldn't resist > -> I liked this show! Oh, the bikes were ok too. anybody know which one was the eventual winner??? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 15:24:35 2000 From: "Perry Coleman" To: lgranato@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I can officially say "Now I've seen it all" !!! Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:24:26 EDT Laura, Who's to say that you couldn't install it under the rider's portion of the seat? With more women riding, it would only seem fair. ;^) How apropo that this comes to light the same day that we're disucssing the relative merits of Russell, Sargent and Corbin seats. Hmmm... Perry >From: LAURA GRANATO >To: fj1100@XXXXXX >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: I can officially say "Now I've seen it all" !!! >Date: 3 Oct 2000 11:23:44 -0700 > >On Tue, 03 October 2000, "Gary Foreman" wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://www.viberider.com > >LMAO! First of all....how did you come across that? :-) Second of all, >what if it's a man on the back??? Think it would work just as well? :-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 15:38:17 2000 Date: 3 Oct 2000 12:38:08 -0700 To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I can officially say "Now I've seen it all" !!! > Who's to say that you couldn't install it under the rider's portion of the > seat? With more women riding, it would only seem fair. ;^) I bet that would get a lot more women riding bikes too...lol. potential +s: 1. you can ride the seat whenever you want to 2. you can ride the seat for as long as you want to minuses: 1. "ummm...officer...I can't really tell you why I crashed my bike" ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 16:01:19 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:00:52 -0500 From: Brainless To: SOC-USA@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [SOC-USA] Re: Corbin Seats Matthew, Congrats on your life milestone. The GS500E is a great commute bike and 120miles at one time is not too bad at all. You will not have a problem having a pillion on that little beast but you will not have the same comfort as a bigger bike. The SV might be a good choice although it might not be suited to go longer trips. There are no real sport-tourers since Suzuki discontinued the RF... Speaking of which There are 2 used RF900R at Leo's South (Minneapolis, MN) solid green 1995(6?) and the exact same 97 I have, color and everything. Both are stock and have approx 5-6k miles on them. Pretty darn good condition. Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > > Well, I will probably keep the bike another 2-3 years. > Now that I found the DC-Cycles list, I plan to attend > many more distance rides. I ride on my own a lot, but > rarely more than 120 miles in one shot. I also plan a > little more two up riding next year. It sounds like I > should go for at least the touring model, maybe not > with the backrest. > > Eventually I plan on purchasing an SV, but I'm getting > married and buying a house in 2001, so the SV will > have to wait until I'm ready. > > Matthew Rosenstock > Suzuki GS500E > > --- Keith Lamond wrote: > > I've got a Corbin seat on my Nighthawk S, and it is > > much more comfortable > > for long rides than the stock seat. > > > > 2 questions for you: How much long distance riding > > are you planning on > > doing, and how long do you plan on keeping the bike? > > > > Keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matthew Rosenstock" > > To: "DC Cycles" ; > > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 7:13 PM > > Subject: Corbin Seats > > > > > > > Hi folks- I just breezed through the Corbin > > website > > > looking for a more comfortable seat for my GS500E. > > Can > > > any listers justify the $250.00 cost for the > > sporty > > > model, and $500.00 for a touring model that > > includes a > > > backrest for a passenger? > > > > > > The bike cost less than $4k brand new. I can't > > imagine > > > $500.00 for a seat. > > > > > > Any other brands I should look at? > > > > > > Please help! > > > > > > Matthew Rosenstock > > > Suzuki GS500E > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 > > Free! > > > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > SOC-USA-unsubscribe@XXXXXX -- +=JVD=+ "Be joyful always" 1 Thes 5:16 --------------------------------------------- Brainless Sr Software Engineer @ Medtronic, Inc. AMA - Member CMA - RevElations Suzuki Owners Club USA - www.soc-usa.org 1997 Suzuki RF900RV 1986 Yamaha FZX 700 Fazer --------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 16:16:24 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: Sargent Seats Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:16:50 -0700 All this discussion of seats on the list lately reminded me of how uncomfortable I found my stock VTR seat during my long New England trip last month. I actually tried to get a Corbin shipped to me on the road while I was up there, but they said it would take 4-6 weeks, so I grinned and bore it. I just ordered a replacement seat from Sargent (yes they make entire seats from scratch). I'll inform the list as to how good it is once I receive it in a few days(!). The VTR mailing list archives reflects very positive comments about them, especially when compared to Corbin. Apperently Corbin's customer service sucks and their workmanship isn't up to Sargent's standard. We'll see. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. Sargent now offers some other interesting items, such as a tank pad/storage solution that looks good. Too bad they don't offer it for my bike. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 16:40:20 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:34:32 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: Tom Gimer Cc: Leon Begeman , Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles Tom Gimer wrote: > > russell for iron butt-ers > corbin or sargent for marked improvement over stock I can agree with that. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 17:09:30 2000 From: "James Reazor" To: "Leon Begeman" , "Tom Gimer" , "Matthew Rosenstock" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Corbin Seats Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:10:24 -0400 Ya know? I started reading this thread and I'm thinking "how ugly can a seat really be?". Then I hit the web site... my god. I understand that these things are built for comfort and I can appreciate that, if I found my seat particularly uncomfortable I wouldn't let appearance get in the way of longer rides. The degree of ugliness also depends on the bike. The pic of the Goldwing looks fine, the KLR on the other hand... James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Begeman" To: "Tom Gimer" ; "Matthew Rosenstock" ; "DC Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Corbin Seats > I just tells it as I sees it. > > Russell's are ugly, they are also the best there is > for distance riding. If you want something that looks > good and is better than stock for distance riding, get > a Corbin. If you want the best there is for distance > riding, get a Russell. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 17:36:11 2000 From: "James Reazor" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: [SOC-USA] Re: Corbin Seats Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:37:05 -0400 I've taken my SV on several 120-150 mile solo trips with out a break and find it very comfortable for that distance. My wife, on the other hand, isn't crazy about the passenger foot peg locations. Says they're fine for short trips but that's about it. I figure that'll be my excuse to buy a second bike in a year or two. James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brainless" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [SOC-USA] Re: Corbin Seats > Matthew, > > Congrats on your life milestone. The GS500E is a great commute bike and > 120miles at one time is not too bad at all. You will not have a problem > having a pillion on that little beast but you will not have the same > comfort as a bigger bike. The SV might be a good choice although it > might not be suited to go longer trips. There are no real sport-tourers > since Suzuki discontinued the RF... > > Speaking of which There are 2 used RF900R at Leo's South (Minneapolis, > MN) solid green 1995(6?) and the exact same 97 I have, color and > everything. Both are stock and have approx 5-6k miles on them. Pretty > darn good condition. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 19:44:26 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:43 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "m_rosenstock@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Corbin v. Sargent From: "Tanner, Linda" said "Good customer service - completely unlike Corbin." For anyone considering Corbin be forewarned they have a reputation for absolutely deplorable customer service. I've heard of: the wrong seat being shipped to someone, months of waiting to have the seat in the wrong material, lack of response to phone/e-mail, repeated broken promises of yeah it'll ship on ____. The VFR list is rather large and there have been *many* posts of this sort. It's your money and your decision. Another possibility for the lowest cost alternative is to look into local upholstery shops. keep the shiny side up. Rob - 96vfr From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 19:55:32 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:57:41 -0400 From: Rich Carter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/03/00 --------------074A1176E1637563F8E6DD3A > > Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:11:35 EDT > Subject: My Italian Motorcycle Festival pics > To: motoguzzi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, roadhouse@XXXXXX > > Here are my pics from the Italian Motorcycle Festival. There are some > duplicate shots due to the change in lighting during the day. If anyone can > help me identify the bikes, please feel free to e-mail me. Thanks! > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1241593&a=9171502 > > Rob VanSlyke > 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV > > The Mike Hailwood Replica belongs to Mike Cecchini from Bethesda who also owns among other things, a Troy Corser championship Superbike Ducati, a very > bad ass CBR Honda and the fastest Ducati 888 on the planet. He also rides the things at all of the track days he can find and regularly smokes everyone > doing them. On top of that he is a great guy. The Italian festival can only get better if we all support it. If we all just tell a few people each it can become a great event. We went to Deep Creek Lake the day before via the back roads of MD and WV and then the next morning blasted through the back roads to Shepardstown. It was an E ticket ride all the way. You should consider it for next year. The Hotels (and Bars) are cheap and the roads are just spectacular for some aggressive sportbike riding. > --------------074A1176E1637563F8E6DD3A
 
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:11:35 EDT
Subject: My Italian Motorcycle Festival pics
To: motoguzzi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, roadhouse@XXXXXX

Here are my pics from the Italian Motorcycle Festival. There are some
duplicate shots due to the change in lighting during the day. If anyone can
help me identify the bikes, please feel free to e-mail me. Thanks!

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1241593&a=9171502

Rob VanSlyke
99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV

 The Mike Hailwood Replica belongs to Mike Cecchini from Bethesda who also owns among other things, a Troy Corser championship Superbike Ducati, a very bad ass CBR Honda and the fastest Ducati 888 on the planet.  He also rides the things at all of the track days he can find and regularly smokes everyone doing them.   On top of that he is a great guy.

The Italian festival can only get better if we all support it. If we all just tell a few people each it can become a great event. We went to Deep Creek Lake the day before via the back roads of MD and WV and then the next morning blasted through the back roads to Shepardstown.  It was an E ticket ride all the way.  You should consider it for next year. The Hotels  (and Bars) are cheap and the roads are just spectacular for some aggressive sportbike riding.
 
--------------074A1176E1637563F8E6DD3A-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 19:56:04 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:55:50 EDT Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Can any listers justify the $250.00 cost for the sporty model Yep - my butt is comfy on the Corbin until about the 750 mile mark - then I get a bit antsy (my personal best day is 1080 miles). The stock seat is good for about 150 miles at a stretch. > and $500.00 for a touring model that includes a > backrest for a passenger? Nope - Corbin's backrests are highway robbery about $160 for the pad and another $40 or so for the hardware to mount it to the seat. But, then - it's all subjective... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 19:58:55 2000 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Corbin v. Sargent Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:58:19 -0400 I had my FJ seat covered by Sargent 6 years ago. Still looks like new. > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Bell [mailto:Rob_Bell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 7:43 PM > To: m_rosenstock@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Corbin v. Sargent > > > From: "Tanner, Linda" > said "Good customer service - completely unlike Corbin." > > For anyone considering Corbin be forewarned they have a reputation for > absolutely deplorable customer service. I've heard of: the wrong > seat being > shipped to someone, months of waiting to have the seat in the > wrong material, > lack of response to phone/e-mail, repeated broken promises of > yeah it'll ship on > ____. > > The VFR list is rather large and there have been *many* posts of > this sort. > It's your money and your decision. Another possibility for the > lowest cost > alternative is to look into local upholstery shops. > > keep the shiny side up. > > Rob - 96vfr > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 20:00:13 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:05:02 -0400 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Parking ticket in Old Town I parked legally, on so I thought, in Old Town Alex. yesterday and got back to my bike to discover a ticket. I hadn't overstayed my welcome in the residential zone, it turns out, but I was cited under 10-4-40 of the City code for not parking parallel to the curb. Sure enough I go on the web, and there it is, all "vehicles" must be parked parallel unless marked otherwise. I was parked about 60 degrees to the curb with my rear wheel touching the curb. Obviously whoever wrote this have never parked a motorcycle in his life. I'm going to fight this. Technically, yes I suppose I violated the law, but I wonder if reason will work on the adjudicator. I will say that it's a matter of safety and convenience that the bike be parked with the rear wheel to the curb, i.e. less chance of tipover due to the crown of the road, no chance of accidental roll away, better visibility pulling out, not taking up a whole car length to park. And I did not violate the spirit of the law. Presumably it was enacted to ensure that travel lanes are not impeded with parked vehicles. Needless to say my bike, even parked perpendicular to the curb, doesn't stick out as far as some of the ultimate behemoth SUVs. Any other points I should bring up at my hearing? Heck, one of the reasons I ride a motorcycle to work is to ease the parking hassles and to be able to park in tight spaces. I wish Alex. would encourage motorcycle commuting with dedicated parking like DC does. And, one would think that Alexandria's finest has better things to do with their time. Don't even get my started on some of the parking garage managers I've talked too. They want to charge me the full rate and put me on the waiting list, even though there are dozens of nooks and crannies in the average garage sitting there empty every day. -- Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 91 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 20:03:54 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:03:34 EDT Subject: Re: Corbin v. Sargent To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX My one experience with Corbin customer service (recent rebuild on my seat) was spot on - Time and $ estimates were met - no complaints here Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 20:54:34 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:54:13 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Better Seats There are *lots* of ways to rig up a more comfortable seating arrangement, if you are willing to go the trial and error route. Folks over on the LDrider list have posted lots of interesting things they've tried that have made lives (and butts) happier. Things like sheepskins stretched over the seat, beaded seat covers (like the cabbies use), gel pads, air-hawk inflatable pads (too pricey for my tastes), taking a stock seat to an upholsterer and replacing the stock foam with firmer closed cell foam (like what Corbin uses) covered by the original seat cover. Heck, my butt and I even survived a trip to Florida and back by bungee-netting a rolled up inflatable air mattress over top of the stock seat. That one still surprises me when I think about it... one of my better on-the-road fixes. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 22:29:07 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: J&M Intercom Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 22:25:07 -0400 From: Mark Bergman I've got an old (1993) J&M intercom to give away. I think the model is 5150. It's a hard-wired, rider to passenger intercom, with an audio input (walkman, radar detector, etc.). I've also got 2 speaker/microphone units for installation in a full-face helmet. The unit was working when I replaced it with an Autocom intercom. No manual. No warranty. No written instructions. No shipping. No charge. Let me know off the list if you're interested. ------ Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 06:47:03 2000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 06:46:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parking ticket in Old Town "Paul A. Wilson" wrote: > > I parked legally, on so I thought, in Old Town Alex. yesterday and got back to > my bike to discover a ticket. I hadn't overstayed my welcome in the > residential zone, it turns out, but I was cited under 10-4-40 of the City code > for not parking parallel to the curb. Sure enough I go on the web, and there > it is, all "vehicles" must be parked parallel unless marked otherwise. I was > parked about 60 degrees to the curb with my rear wheel touching the curb. > Obviously whoever wrote this have never parked a motorcycle in his life. Meter maid. hang around old town long enough & you'll see their pathetic tiny little 4 wheel golf cars with doors tooling around searching for victims... And you're right, they probably never have parked, ridden on, ridden, or even sat on a bike in their life. > > > > I'm going to fight this. Technically, yes I suppose I violated the law, but I > wonder if reason will work on the adjudicator. Alexandria is very image conscious, much more so than DC. I would start contacting some Alex. Govt. officials, don't waste your breath on their cops or traffic adjudicators or whatever, but, perhaps the town council, tourism dept., maybe even the mayor's office, & try to pry out of them if they 'encourage motorcycling', etc... etc... > I will say that it's a matter > of safety and convenience that the bike be parked with the rear wheel to the > curb, i.e. less chance of tipover due to the crown of the road, no chance of > accidental roll away, better visibility pulling out, not taking up a whole car > length to park. You *MAY* be able to stem some of the ticket cost with this argument by saying that the parking space in question presented a severe lean angle when you parked there parallel, & in order to keep the bike from rolling away, you adjusted the bike's position 'slightly off 100% parallel' ['as you had already paid your money' if before 6:00] Since the city maintains the streets, a parking space that forced a motorcyclist to park in violation of an obscure law, enforcement of said law would be tantamount to entrapment... or something like that. > And I did not violate the spirit of the law. Presumably it > was enacted to ensure that travel lanes are not impeded with parked vehicles. > Needless to say my bike, even parked perpendicular to the curb, doesn't stick > out as far as some of the ultimate behemoth SUVs. Any other points I should > bring up at my hearing? Heck, one of the reasons I ride a motorcycle to work > is to ease the parking hassles and to be able to park in tight spaces. > > I wish Alex. would encourage motorcycle commuting with dedicated parking like > DC does. see above, start making your voice heard... > And, one would think that Alexandria's finest has better things to > do with their time. Their finest what? Meter maids write the parking tickets, they're mindless, pond scum sucking amoebas with a ticket book. What do you expect? Their cops don't generally write Old Town tickets... > Don't even get my started on some of the parking garage > managers I've talked too. They want to charge me the full rate and put me on > the waiting list, even though there are dozens of nooks and crannies in the > average garage sitting there empty every day. Talk to the garage management companies / owners to get action, not the minimum wage earning dufus sitting in the booth watching MNF on his watchman... Listen to the Voices, Paul... Do what they tell you ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 07:46:34 2000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 07:51:30 -0400 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parking ticket in Old Town Actually it was a cop, not a meter maid, that wrote me up. Probably some old biddy or "concerned citizen" that doesn't like bikes called the cops. Never mind that a block away there are two bikes with covers that are never ticketed, parked 90 degrees to the curb. Gotta love that "small town" ambience and all the petty corruption that goes with it. Dave Yates wrote: > > > > Their finest what? Meter maids write the parking tickets, they're > mindless, pond scum sucking amoebas with a ticket book. What do you > expect? Their cops don't generally write Old Town tickets... -- Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 91 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 07:59:14 2000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 07:58:50 -0400 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parking ticket in Old Town "Paul A. Wilson" wrote: > > Actually it was a cop, not a meter maid, that wrote me up. Wow. > Probably some old > biddy or "concerned citizen" that doesn't like bikes called the cops. Never > mind that a block away there are two bikes with covers that are never > ticketed, parked 90 degrees to the curb. How 'bout some pictures for the courtroom... > Gotta love that "small town" > ambience and all the petty corruption that goes with it. bike has DC or Md. plates, huh ? Gee, it sure would be nice if they would alternatively, stop the ___ ____ Open Pipe cruisers riding through old town, write them up & make them get towed home. damn they're annoying... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 08:18:02 2000 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:17:47 -0400 From: Matthew Harrell To: pawilson@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Parking ticket in Old Town : : I parked legally, on so I thought, in Old Town Alex. yesterday and got back to : my bike to discover a ticket. I hadn't overstayed my welcome in the : residential zone, it turns out, but I was cited under 10-4-40 of the City code : for not parking parallel to the curb. Sure enough I go on the web, and there : it is, all "vehicles" must be parked parallel unless marked otherwise. I was : parked about 60 degrees to the curb with my rear wheel touching the curb. : Obviously whoever wrote this have never parked a motorcycle in his life. : I got a ticket once in Old Town for supposedly overstaying my legal two hours in one spot. I went down to the "office" listed on the back of the ticket and talked with the woman down there. She was very understanding even though I had no proof that I had, in fact, moved my car within the last hour. She cancelled the ticket without any real argument. It was almost as if they were willing to reasonably cancel any of them if you actually showed up to contest it. I would recommend going down there and talking to them. As another note, I talked with about three cops and one meter maid around where I was parking (King and Pitt) and they all said it was fine for bikes to park perpendicular to the curb. They agreed that the slope of the street at that point was hazardous to parking parallel on a bike and I did it for about eight months without a ticket. -- Matthew Harrell Your computer is dead, Bit Twiddlers, Inc. it was once so great... mharrell@XXXXXX Don't you regret installing Windows 98? From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 08:40:15 2000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:43:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Corbin v. Sargent At 07:43 PM 10/3/00 -0400, you wrote: >From: "Tanner, Linda" >said "Good customer service - completely unlike Corbin." > >For anyone considering Corbin be forewarned they have a reputation for >absolutely deplorable customer service. I've heard of: the wrong seat being >shipped to someone, months of waiting to have the seat in the wrong material, >lack of response to phone/e-mail, repeated broken promises of yeah it'll >ship on Have also heard similar things about corbin -- they seem to be a victim of their own popularity. They /used/ to be really top of the line... but quality control and customer service has fallen over the last few years. That being said, the previous owner of my VFR put a Corbin seat on it, (probably back in about 1993) and it was frankly a blessing over this past weekend of ~1000 miles of riding. -- "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist" -- Verbal Kint. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 10:02:55 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: 2001 Suzukis Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:03:22 -0700 Okay, many of us got what we were asking for, so go out and buy 'em to prove we were telling the truth! http://www.suzukicycles.com/dmeeting/dmeetfs.htm New bikes: SV650S - Faired version that lots of folks went to Canada for last year http://www.suzukicycles.com/dmeeting/sv650s.htm Bandit 1200 - New version of the naked Bandit12 that Europe's had for years http://www.suzukicycles.com/dmeeting/bandit.htm GZ250 - Cruiser for newbies http://www.suzukicycles.com/dmeeting/gz250.htm GSXR600 - New supersport to compete with R6, CBR6 & ZX6R http://www.suzukicycles.com/dmeeting/gsx600.htm GSXR1000 - New plastic for the tree at the Crossroads of Time http://www.suzukicycles.com/dmeeting/gsx1000.htm Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 10:58:52 2000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:57:32 -0400 From: Randy Moran To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2001 Suzukis (some SPAM in here) I just can't resist getting in a plug for my sponsor this year, Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA. Just so's I'm not completely spamming the list I'll include a little (bad) news in my note. Whitt's was burglarized a couple weekends ago. The thieves took several (around 8, I believe) motorcycles and mucho gear and apparel, and drove off in a stolen Cube van w/ stolen tags. From what I was told by the Whitt's guys, it seems like it was a "professional" job. On a related note, I heard that several other bike dealers were hit around the same time. I don't know if or how it affects us as individual bike owners, but it serves as a good reminder: keep an eye on your stuff! Anyway, it sucks for Whitt's and the insurance company, but it's not that bad for someone who's interested in seeing some of the new models. They're having to replace the stolen stuff with new bikes arriving a little earlier than usual. They don't have any of the new GSXRs yet, but they've got the new silver Bandit 1200 for you sporty-toury types, plus some other new models. Anyone interested in a new Suzuki should definitely check Whitt's out. Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 2000 Mid-Atlantic Novice Champion, Lightweight Twins and Heavyweight Twins http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com Christopher Weaver wrote: > Okay, many of us got what we were asking for, so go out and buy 'em to prove > we were telling the truth! > > http://www.suzukicycles.com/dmeeting/dmeetfs.htm > > New bikes: > > SV650S - Faired version that lots of folks went to Canada for last year > http://www.suzukicycles.com/dmeeting/sv650s.htm > > Bandit 1200 - New version of the naked Bandit12 that Europe's had for years > http://www.suzukicycles.com/dmeeting/bandit.htm > > GZ250 - Cruiser for newbies > http://www.suzukicycles.com/dmeeting/gz250.htm > > GSXR600 - New supersport to compete with R6, CBR6 & ZX6R > http://www.suzukicycles.com/dmeeting/gsx600.htm > > GSXR1000 - New plastic for the tree at the Crossroads of Time > http://www.suzukicycles.com/dmeeting/gsx1000.htm > > Cheers, > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 11:20:52 2000 Date: 4 Oct 2000 08:20:43 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Subject: I got a sneak peek Last night Chris showed me the new DC Cycles Web site...and let me tell you guys and gals...you're gonna love it. He did an excellent job. The site uses great colors, it's clean and will have lots of fun stuff to read through. I'm finishing up writing the copy for it and Chris is populating the site and working on some last minute finishes. We should be ready to unveil it soon. :-) Just thought I'd give you an update. Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 11:38:07 2000 Date: 4 Oct 2000 08:37:59 -0700 To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2001 Suzukis (some SPAM in here) On Wed, 04 October 2000, Randy Moran wrote: > > I just can't resist getting in a plug for my sponsor this year, Whitt's Suzuki > of Manassas, VA. > . Anyone > interested in a new Suzuki should definitely check Whitt's out. > I completely agree on this one! Fred and Chris are two of the nicest guys ever. They treat me like a motorcyclist, not a "female." I mean that in the nicest of ways, but every other shop treated me like a dumb-assed woman when I walked in the door, that's if I even got service from anyone (Cycle sport treated me well, also, but I knew someone there...so can't say either way how it would have been). Anyways...Whitt's will take care of you, they get the shit done, they get it done right, they get it done fast, and it's cheap!!!! Now, if I find out those bastards stole that black, blue, and silver GSXR 600 that Fred was saving for me...watch out...I may start a gun thread. Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 11:43:27 2000 From: glenn_braunstein@XXXXXX X-Server-Uuid: ba786dbe-229e-11d4-b17b-006097075f75 Subject: Being in the Right Place at the Right Time To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: adrian_wright@XXXXXX, mmckallip@XXXXXX, michael_begin@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:53:07 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SMTPOUT/Server/PSExternal(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/04/2000 08:05:49 AM X-WSS-ID: 15C5F2DC340239-717-01 So I'm cruising around Dallas (where I've been working every week for the past 5 weeks) last night during my nightly mission to find a great place to eat, when I happen to randomly stumble upon a Mexican restaurant called the Blue Goose. Well just as luck would have it, it happens to be where the local sportbike group has their WEEKLY Tuesday night get-togethers during Speedvision! As I pull up, I see about 30 bikes in the lot, ranging from an early 80s Nighthawk to a BMW dual-purpose to a Buell and (my favorite) a gorgeous MV Agusta! And of course your typical abundance of Jap bikes (although, to my surprise, and disappointment, not a single post-97 VFR!! Certainly different than the look-in-every-direction-and-see-one VFR presence in NOVA/DC/MD). Needless to say, I had a great time chowing on good Mexican food and shootin' the sh%t with the DC Cycles equivalent of Dallas. And I've certainly found my weekly Tuesday night hangout for the next month I'm out here. But I will say...it just gave me the major itch to want to get on my bike on ride! UGGHH!! Can't wait to get home next weekend and settle that urge. Oh...and incidentally, for all you Italian bike aficianados, the owner of that MV Agusta happened to be the owner of the Italian Bike Superstore here in Dallas, which, I hear, is the 4th largest Italian bike dealership in the U.S. He sells strictly Ducs, Aprilias, Moto Guzzis, and MV Agustas (and apparently has 1 used Bimota on his floor). I'm going to head there one night next week to check it out and submit a posting of how it is. I will say this...the hangout made me see how cool it was to have a weekly hangout. It's like BikeNight every week! Just something to think about if anyone wants to organize (I would, but it's kind of difficult from 1100 miles away). Glenn 98 VFR 800 (AND DYING TO GET ON IT!!) Glenn Braunstein PeopleSoft Consulting Enterprise Performance Management 877-654-7411 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 12:18:13 2000 From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:18:02 EDT Subject: Re: 2001 Suzukis (some SPAM in here) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/4/00 11:00:27, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX writes: << Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 2000 Mid-Atlantic Novice Champion, Lightweight Twins and Heavyweight Twins http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ >> Randy, are you a Champion of Good, or a Champion of Evil? (Pronounced EE-vill) Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 12:49:00 2000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:47:15 -0400 From: Randy Moran CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2001 Suzukis (some SPAM in here) I'm a new-agey, kind of champion of moral relativism. Ultimately, I blame society. Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > Randy Moran > WERA Novice #696 > 2000 Mid-Atlantic Novice Champion, Lightweight Twins and Heavyweight Twins > http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ > > Randy, are you a Champion of Good, or a Champion of Evil? (Pronounced EE-vill) > > Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 13:35:07 2000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: HFN From: jxcarver@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:28:30 -0700 Subject: FS: Share of Tire Changer Hello all, I still have one share of the tire changer for sale. $30 obo. Buy now and save on your next tire change!! (I have no use for it since I now reside in Kalifornia.) Reply to: jxcarver@XXXXXX or vfr800@XXXXXX Cheers . . . John Carver 98VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 13:53:23 2000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:55:19 -0400 To: jxcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: FS: Share of Tire Changer Cool! What part of CA? How's the riding out there? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 10:28 AM 10/4/00 -0700, jxcarver@XXXXXX wrote: > > >Hello all, > >I still have one share of the tire changer for sale. $30 obo. >Buy now and save on your next tire change!! > > >(I have no use for it since I now reside in Kalifornia.) >Reply to: jxcarver@XXXXXX or vfr800@XXXXXX >Cheers . . . > > >John Carver >98VFR800 > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 14:13:16 2000 Date: 4 Oct 2000 11:13:08 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Subject: RR3 and cold weather.... Ok, call me a wuss, but the high on Saturday is only going to be 54...to ride or not to ride????? LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 14:21:17 2000 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: WashPost Article Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:18:35 -0400 Folks, I just wanted to alert you to an article that I wrote for the Washington Post Style / Travel section in today's editions about rented Harley Davidsons. I got the story idea from various posts on this list, and also got some feedback on where to go and what to do on the way from a couple of DC-Cyclists. That being said, I'm not responsible for the title of the piece, so don't flame me for that one. Otherwise, I look forward to comments and reactions. Bests, Erik Born to Be Mild By Erik Schelzig Special to The Washington Post Wednesday, October 4, 2000 ; Page C02 You never forget the first time you twist a hog. Like the split-second of dead calm before an explosion, there seems to be a silent--if ever so slight--moment between the twist of the throttle and the sudden blast to life of Harley-Davidson's mammoth engine, shooting the bike forward with a violent, but ultimately satisfying, roar. It's supposed to be a moment of steady cool, but I could hardly restrain the huge grin inside my helmet as I blasted through the streets of Fairfax at the start of my first Harley road trip. Sure, the Harley's unmuffled roar is excessive and technically unnecessary, but so was putting cards in the spokes of your bicycle when you were a kid. Immediately I knew that our trip from Washington to Atlantic City aboard our rented Harley was going to be a good--if deafening--one. And when an oncoming Harley rider waved as we passed each other on Lee Highway, I knew I had entered a new biker fraternity, even if just for a few days, courtesy of a new rent-a-hog program from Harley-Davidson. There is a very real schism in the motorcycling community between people who ride Harleys and those who don't. Motorcyclists usually wave when they pass each other on the road. But if you're on a European or, worse, a Japanese bike, Harley riders generally won't wave back, in what amounts to the ultimate biker snub. Harley enthusiasts, steeped in the tradition, history and mystique of the Milwaukee-based motor company, view all others as pretenders, clones and unworthy challengers. Riders of foreign machines often decry what they view as misplaced arrogance on the part of Harley riders, whose machines they frankly see as substandard and overpriced. I've had no real place in this debate, mostly having ridden a string of decrepit and deteriorating Japanese motorcycles of early 1980s vintage, held together by bungee cords and duct tape, and not-so-affectionately known as "rat bikes." ====== see http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/travel/escapes/A6592-2000Oct4.html for the full text and http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/travel/escapes for a cool-looking action shot picture of my wife and I aboard the Harley From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 14:31:46 2000 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:31:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Uhhhh, I'm pretty sure there's a joke in here somewhere but it's probably in bad taste. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:00:12 -0700 From: gc_yamr1@XXXXXX To: twg@XXXXXX Subject: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders Sport Bike Riders: On October 21, 2000, Sport Bike Riders from all over the East Coast will unite to commemorate and and celebrate the lives of friends and family that have been killed or seriously injured while riding. This 1st Annual Memorial Ride will start in Delaware and proceed (by police escort)to Washington, DC where we will hold our 1st Annual East Coast Fallen Riders Memorial Rally. Join us as we "ride together" to remember the lives of our "family", "work together" to dispel the media myths that plague us as a community and "pull together" to promote safety and unity. For more information and registration, please visit our web site at: http://www.eastcoastfallenriders.com or E-mail Us: Fallen_Riders_2000@XXXXXX Feel free to add to the fallen riders list (any year). Your submissions will be added to all official T'shirts. Thank You East Coast Fallen Riders Memorial Rally Organizing Committee From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 14:43:24 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:42:24 EDT Subject: Re: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/4/00 2:33:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, twg@XXXXXX writes: > Uhhhh, I'm pretty sure there's a joke in here somewhere but > it's probably in bad taste. Not so much a joke as Irony, really. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 14:49:46 2000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:49:24 -0400 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: WashPost Article Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 02:18 PM 10/4/00 , eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: >That being said, I'm not responsible for the title >of the piece, so don't flame me for that one. Otherwise, I look forward to >comments and reactions. Bests, Erik Erik - it was well written, but you forgot to describe how happy you were to be on a Yamaha after being on a HOG for so many miles...... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 14:51:27 2000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:48:56 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > Ok, call me a wuss, but the high on Saturday is only going to be 54...to ride or not to ride????? Aww, c'mon, that's good riding weather. Wear full gear, buy some warmer gloves (you'll need them anyway) and enjoy! :) Horkster, loving this time of year -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 14:52:54 2000 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:52:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX this is an easy one.....reschedule! 60 (as a 'high' for the day) is generally my cut-off point for pleasure riding.....as it gets colder than that i increasingly lose confidence in my tires' ability to stay firmly planted on the asphalt when leaned over. this obviously makes things much less enjoyable. keep us posted on what you decide --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Ok, call me a wuss, but the high on Saturday is only > going to be 54...to ride or not to ride????? > > LAG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 14:54:09 2000 Date: 4 Oct 2000 11:54:00 -0700 To: the.horkster@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... On Wed, 04 October 2000, Dale Horstman wrote: > Aww, c'mon, that's good riding weather. Wear full gear, buy some > warmer gloves (you'll need them anyway) and enjoy! :) I'm sure it is, but ask Larry, James and Bill just how well my bod held up last weekend in the cold. brrrrrrrrrr! I HATE cold...and to me, anything below 70 is cold! If the faithful riders will be there, so will I, but you may not recognize me under 9,000 layers of about anything warm I can find. Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 14:55:52 2000 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:55:46 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: , Subject: Re: WashPost Article ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: eschelzig@XXXXXX >Folks, I just wanted to alert you to an article that I wrote for the >Washington Post Style / Travel section in today's editions about rented >Harley Davidsons. I got the story idea from various posts on this list, and >also got some feedback on where to go and what to do on the way from a >couple of DC-Cyclists. That being said, I'm not responsible for the title >of the piece, so don't flame me for that one. Otherwise, I look forward to >comments and reactions > >see http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/travel/escapes/A6592-2000Oct4.html for >the full text Yes, the title was pretty cute about 20 years ago, but not anymore. And the Washington Post doesn't seem to know the difference between a cache and a cachet, but that's computer-based journalism for you! I liked the story, though I find a lot more Harley riders accepting of other riders - and returning or initiating a wave. I think a lot of it is more non-Harley riders getting involved in the motorcyclists' rights issues. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 14:56:28 2000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:01:13 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WashPost Article Erik, Well-written piece, but I'm not sure what conclusions to draw from what you wrote. Harleys are overpriced? Harleys are less techncially sophisticated that other modern m/c's? Harley riders are snobs to non-Harley riders? I can't really tell if you're painting a flattering picture or not. As a non-Harley rider (rice burner GSXR750), everything you wrote rings basically true with my own experiences. I've had Harley riders wave back to me, but mostly not. And only a few Harley riders who seem to want to talk and socialize. But by and large, I have the sense that there is this great divide between those who ride Harleys and those who don't. Your article just seems to reinforce that. Chuck eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote : > > Folks, I just wanted to alert you to an article that I wrote for the > Washington Post Style / Travel section in today's editions about rented > Harley Davidsons. I got the story idea from various posts on this list, and > also got some feedback on where to go and what to do on the way from a > couple of DC-Cyclists. That being said, I'm not responsible for the title > of the piece, so don't flame me for that one. Otherwise, I look forward to > comments and reactions. Bests, Erik -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 15:04:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mail.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e94J43B28912 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id u.6d.a15c9dc (4339); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:03:40 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6d.a15c9dc.270cd90b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:03:39 EDT Subject: Re: WashPost Article To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 10/4/00 2:58:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > But by and large, I have the > sense that there is this great divide between those who ride Harleys and > those who don't. Your article just seems to reinforce that. Yeah... those damn Harley riders... who needs 'em anyway? =) There are fewer and fewer of the "old-school" Harley riders. Mainly because those pans and shovels just won't run forever, and the EVO and TC88 based bikes have showa suspension components on 'em :) - Roach (Who rode his FXDL today, thank you very much) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 15:08:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r19.mail.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e94J8HB28991 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id r.4b.1a29cdb (4339); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:07:50 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4b.1a29cdb.270cda05@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:07:49 EDT Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 10/4/00 2:54:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > as it gets colder than that i > increasingly lose confidence in my tires' ability to stay > firmly planted on the asphalt when leaned over. Boulderdash! (You know... I've always wanted to use that word in a sentence) After about 5 minutes those tires are just fine and will stick well. At the very most you can just drop the PSI about 2 lbs for a warm fuzzy feeling :) First race this year at Summit... it snowed in the morning (Yeah... it was hillarious). The digital temp guage on my 400 read .7C (yes, point-7) at 8am. Even with race compound tires, aftrer the first lap it was ok. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 15:11:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e94JB5B29004 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 24467 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 12:10:49 -0700 Date: 4 Oct 2000 12:10:49 -0700 Message-ID: <20001004191049.24466.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 4 Oct 2000 19:10:49 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 04 Oct 2000 12:10:49 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... On Wed, 04 October 2000, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Boulderdash! you mean balderdash? sorry...couldn't pass that one up. :-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 15:16:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e94JGIB29160 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e94JGAh8733077 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39DB81E7.2798B7B3@radix.net> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:15:51 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... References: <4b.1a29cdb.270cda05@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Boulderdash! (You know... I've always wanted to use that word in a sentence) Now that I'm (well) over 18, I've always wanted to use that word in a sentence directed to my parents :-) I don't think I've heard that since the last time Mom said it.... let's see now, how can I finnagle this into a conversation with the parents... and not get out of the inheritance... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 15:26:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mail.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e94JQcB29264 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id p.4d.1aa9188 (16781); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:24:37 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4d.1aa9188.270cddf5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:24:37 EDT Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... To: lgranato@XXXXXX CC: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 10/4/00 3:10:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > > Boulderdash! > > you mean balderdash? sorry...couldn't pass that one up. :-) Quite. This is actually a geek Freudian slip. Boulderdash was actually a cool game on the C64 about 20 years ago. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 15:45:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e94JixB29612 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001004194452.25104.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.186] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:44:52 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:44:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/4/00 2:54:20 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > as it gets colder than that i increasingly lose > > confidence in my tires' ability to stay > > firmly planted on the asphalt when leaned over. > > Boulderdash! (You know... I've always wanted to use that > word in a sentence) > > After about 5 minutes those tires are just fine and will > stick well. At the > very most you can just drop the PSI about 2 lbs for a > warm fuzzy feeling :) oh, i know it won't cause me any trouble once the tires are heated up.....but what i say to you here and now versus how i feel when i'm out there in colder weather are two entirely different things. todd p. and i were recently running the BRP just west of asheville, nc and my guess was the air temp was around 40 degrees. my tires were hot and everything was good....it's just that my mind was telling me to keep a close feel on traction. survival instincts suck! brian: i'd like to hear a summary of the traction statistics for how today's sticky street tires act when the ROAD is really cold versus when it's warm or hot. road temp has to have an effect....don't it? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 15:54:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h011.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e94JsRB29770 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 5558 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 12:54:16 -0700 Date: 4 Oct 2000 12:54:16 -0700 Message-ID: <20001004195416.5557.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 4 Oct 2000 19:54:16 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 04 Oct 2000 12:54:16 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sdave@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... > let's see now, how can I finnagle this into a conversation with the > parents... and not get out of the inheritance... > > would you two like to sit down and play a nice game of balderdash? ok, so it probably isn't quite the way you wanted it to be used...but you'll keep the inheritance. ;-) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 15:56:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mail.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e94JuiB29783 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id r.92.abc7d95 (16781); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:56:04 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <92.abc7d95.270ce553@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:56:03 EDT Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 10/4/00 3:45:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > brian: i'd like to hear a summary of the traction > statistics for how today's sticky street tires act when the > ROAD is really cold versus when it's warm or hot. road > temp has to have an effect....don't it? Same deal with a racetrack - takes you longer to heat up the tires, and you need to keep moving in order to keep them warm. You DO lose some traction - but mainly at the upper limits which I generally am not testing on the street. In everyday or even "spirited" riding, I really haven;t noticed a big difference in traction on a cold road, as long as I've been riding long enough for the tires to heat up - riding at night during the summer there's probably a 50 degree difference in road temperature, and that doesn't seem to bother the tires too much (in the hot sun, asphalt will reach a surface temp of about 130 degrees pretty quickly). On the track... 1st practice is always interesting. Race tires take longer to heat up and you have to be really carefull the first few laps, but as long as your tire pressures are right, they do heat up and stick. In short... I don't think road surface temperature is that big of a deal as long as the tires are at their optimal operating temperature. If you're running too high of PSI for them to heat up, then you'll have problems. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 15:57:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e94JvNB29857 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e94JvLh8987613 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39DB8B8E.9E49BAB2@radix.net> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:57:02 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... References: <20001004195416.5557.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > let's see now, how can I finnagle this into a conversation with the > > parents... and not get out of the inheritance... > > > > would you two like to sit down and play a nice game of balderdash? ok, so it probably isn't quite the way you wanted it to be used...but you'll keep the inheritance. ;-) And only I will know. MUWHAHAHAHAHA ! -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 16:00:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e94K0RB29952 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va8-44.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.236]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06702; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39DBB7A7.5ECA0F44@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:05:11 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: eschelzig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WashPost Article References: <6d.a15c9dc.270cd90b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Bryan... We certainly need you! %^) And I just never think of you as a "Harley rider". You're a "motorcyclist", regardless of what you ride. And I will be one of the first people to say that I appreciate Harleys and understand why people love 'em, but they're just not my style! Chuck BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Yeah... those damn Harley riders... who needs 'em anyway? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 16:13:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e94KDsB00264 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e94KDjq21170 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:13:46 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: RE: RR3 and cold weather.... Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:08:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c02e3e$e48d7620$5c0810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <39DB81E7.2798B7B3@radix.net> Importance: Normal All right, enough tomfoolery and excessive jocularity ;) Of course, my parents responded to my initial desire to ride a motorcycle with "That's poppycock!". Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 3:16 PM Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Boulderdash! (You know... I've always wanted to use that word in a sentence) Now that I'm (well) over 18, I've always wanted to use that word in a sentence directed to my parents :-) I don't think I've heard that since the last time Mom said it.... let's see now, how can I finnagle this into a conversation with the parents... and not get out of the inheritance... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 16:17:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e94KHJB00347 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:14:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, eschelzig@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WashPost Article Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:14:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Chuck, you sound like one of my old professors in asking what conclusions I'm drawing from my report! Well, in short, there isn't any conclusion. The story is a narrative about a ride upon a rented Harely to Atlantic City and back. Thrown in, for good measure, are details about Harelys and biking that non-riders might not know about. Do I have a problem Harleys? Not necessarily. They took out my more technical gripes about low ground clearance around corners and lack of play in the shocks for space considerations. They also weren't really interested in a discussion of full-face vs. beanie helmets and leather chaps/vests vs. kevlar or codura jackets. But that's neither here nor there. The real audience for this type of story isn't really the people who know about the issues such as the people on this list, but people who don't know about the various nuances of motorcycling. And as for the Washington Post online presentation of the story, don't think that it is one and the same with the print version. They managed to print my wife and my names correctly in the paper version of the picture caption, and mysteriously brutilized both in the online version. But what can you do. Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Charles V. Pena To: eschelzig@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 10/4/2000 6:01 PM Subject: Re: WashPost Article Erik, Well-written piece, but I'm not sure what conclusions to draw from what you wrote. Harleys are overpriced? Harleys are less techncially sophisticated that other modern m/c's? Harley riders are snobs to non-Harley riders? I can't really tell if you're painting a flattering picture or not. As a non-Harley rider (rice burner GSXR750), everything you wrote rings basically true with my own experiences. I've had Harley riders wave back to me, but mostly not. And only a few Harley riders who seem to want to talk and socialize. But by and large, I have the sense that there is this great divide between those who ride Harleys and those who don't. Your article just seems to reinforce that. Chuck eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote : > > Folks, I just wanted to alert you to an article that I wrote for the > Washington Post Style / Travel section in today's editions about rented > Harley Davidsons. I got the story idea from various posts on this list, and > also got some feedback on where to go and what to do on the way from a > couple of DC-Cyclists. That being said, I'm not responsible for the title > of the piece, so don't flame me for that one. Otherwise, I look forward to > comments and reactions. Bests, Erik -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 16:33:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e94KXmB00577 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G1X00M01AF8NG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:33:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G1X00M4FAF8EI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:33:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G1X00L01AH8NC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:34:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G1X00L01AH1KT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:34:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G1X00L5CAGL7Z@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:33:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:31:53 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: [Fwd: My Connie is gone] To: DC Cycles List Message-id: <39DB93B9.825FB31@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en More info from Steve Broadstreet. Ride safe, the road can bite anyone. Steve is what I consider a highly skilled rider. The upside is that he is looking forward to a new bike. :) Horkster SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > > Coggers, > A couple weeks ago I totaled my Connie. Hit some gravel going about 50-60 and > bounced off a guardrail. Got a medivac ride in a helicopter that I don't > remember. (Damn!) :) > Broken right ankle and 3 toes, concussion, separated Rt shoulder, and some > deep cuts to left leg from knee to top of boot. THANK GOD I was wearing a > full-face helmet and my protective gear or I doubt I'd be writing this. I'm > doing great...should be up and around in a couple of weeks. > Just wanted to let everyone know as I'll be unsubing for a while. Hard to > read 350 emails every 3 days. :) > I just wanted to say thanks to all on this list and COG for being such great > help. What a great organization! > My email is SBave@XXXXXX if anyone needs it. > Hope to see ya on the road soon! > > Steve Broadstreet > Winchester, VA -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 17:17:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e94LHuB01322 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-213-207.s588.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.213.207] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13gvvF-00070E-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:17:54 -0400 Message-ID: <00d301c02e48$4378ff20$cfd53ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "DC Cycles List" References: <20001004081747.A10315@bittwiddlers.com> Subject: Re: Parking ticket in Old Town Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:03:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Thanks for the advice. I went see the ticket adjudicator over lunch today: no lines, no hassles, no Kafkaesque DC-like experiences. Just stated my business and walked right in to the office. I explained the parallel parking ordinance from a motorcyclist's point of view and why it was appropriate for me to park my bike the way I did. Outcome-ticket dismissed. She was very cordial and professional. I urge anyone who gets a ticket for this in Alexandria to spend the twenty minutes or so and go to adjudication. I am still sending a letter to the Mayor about this ordinance and I will also be urging him to encourage mc commuting to Old Town. I will also be making a pitch for dedicated on-street parking and ccing the Old Town Merchant's Association if there is such a thing. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Harrell To: ; DC Cycles List Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:17 AM Subject: Re: Parking ticket in Old Town > : > : I parked legally, on so I thought, in Old Town Alex. yesterday and got back to > : my bike to discover a ticket. I hadn't overstayed my welcome in the > : residential zone, it turns out, but I was cited under 10-4-40 of the City code > : for not parking parallel to the curb. > I got a ticket once in Old Town for supposedly overstaying my legal two hours > in one spot. I went down to the "office" listed on the back of the ticket > and talked with the woman down there. She was very understanding even though > I had no proof that I had, in fact, moved my car within the last hour. She > cancelled the ticket without any real argument. It was almost as if they > were willing to reasonably cancel any of them if you actually showed up to > contest it. I would recommend going down there and talking to them. > > As another note, I talked with about three cops and one meter maid around where > I was parking (King and Pitt) and they all said it was fine for bikes to park > perpendicular to the curb. They agreed that the slope of the street at that > point was hazardous to parking parallel on a bike and I did it for about > eight months without a ticket. > > -- > Matthew Harrell Your computer is dead, > Bit Twiddlers, Inc. it was once so great... > mharrell@XXXXXX Don't you regret installing > Windows 98? From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 20:08:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9508nB04038 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id 2.55.bad1e5f (3857) for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:08:40 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <55.bad1e5f.270d2087@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:08:39 EDT Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 10/4/2000 14:14:50 Eastern Daylight Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > Ok, call me a wuss, but the high on Saturday is only going to be 54.. OK, you're a wuss, but what does this have to do with cold weather? Just think, you're finally going to be able to comfortably wear proper protective clothing!! One of the larger rides that we've had formed up at the Middleburg Exxon one morning with the mercury in the mid-30s. Each arriving rider was more amazed than the last that anyone else showed up. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 20:21:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f4.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e950LqB04317 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:21:45 -0700 Received: from 209.70.39.9 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:21:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.70.39.9] From: "Perry Coleman" To: lgranato@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:21:45 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 00:21:45.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E33D1B0:01C02E62] Laura, OK. You're a wuss! ;^) But seriously, 50's isn't all that cold and you can prepare for it without wearing so many layers that you can't move. The key is to use electrics. I realize that you probably can't do it before the weekend, but you might want to consider electric clothing, at least a vest, if you want to greatly extend your riding season. I got an electric vest a few years ago. The only question I had after the first wearing, on a cold January commute from Gaithersburg to DC, was: "Why did I wait so long to get one of these?" I found that I could remove the lining from my Kilimanjaro coat and be comfortable with just the vest under it, down to about freezing. I also had the matching pants (now I have the HG Boost pants) which help as well. Hands and feet can be a problem, but can be addressed with electrics as well. I personally find that by keeping my torso warm, the rest of me stays pretty warm, even on extended rides in the freezing range. Of course, long johns, wool socks and turtle necks are useful as well. I know that others on the list have good experiences with electric clothing that they'd love to share with you. Just wait... ;^) Regards, Perry >From: LAURA GRANATO >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RR3 and cold weather.... >Date: 4 Oct 2000 11:13:08 -0700 > >Ok, call me a wuss, but the high on Saturday is only going to be 54...to >ride or not to ride????? > >LAG > > >________________________________________________ >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >http://www.peoplepc.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 21:13:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e951DtB05087 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 5260 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 18:12:19 -0700 Received: from 1Cust152.tnt2.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.20.245.152) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 18:12:19 -0700 X-Sent: 5 Oct 2000 01:12:19 GMT Message-ID: <003201c02e69$63e57600$98f5143f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , Cc: References: Subject: Re: WashPost Article Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:12:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 They managed to print > my wife and my names correctly in the paper version of the picture caption, > and mysteriously brutilized both in the online version. But what can you > do. Hmmm...sounds like they need better editors...hint, hint... :-) Laura From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 4 21:34:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e951YeB05405 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 2365 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2000 18:31:51 -0700 Received: from 1Cust152.tnt2.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.20.245.152) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 18:31:51 -0700 X-Sent: 5 Oct 2000 01:31:51 GMT Message-ID: <008801c02e6c$1e3c7c40$98f5143f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: ok...ok...final reminder Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:32:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Ok, Ok, because I refuse to be called a wimp by anyone but myself...My unprepared-for-riding-in-cold-weather ass will be there this Saturday! You all better be there too!!! So, last reminder Who: All of you! What: Relaxed Ride 3 When: This Saturday, 10 am Where: Sheetz at corner of 55 and 15 Why: Because we love riding, even in the cold weather How: well, hopefully you know this already... See you then... Laura "the non-cold-weather-lovin" Granato :-) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 06:30:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95AUsB15125 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 06:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e95AUmh7734427 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 06:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39DC5845.8BE16890@radix.net> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 06:30:29 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... References: <000501c02e3e$e48d7620$5c0810ac@cedric> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > All right, enough tomfoolery and excessive jocularity ;) Of course, my > parents responded to my initial desire to ride a motorcycle with "That's > poppycock!". > Cedric WHOA there, CB... This is a Family List !!!! 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 08:08:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95C8eB17161 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA26609 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA14411 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e95C8ah8476850; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39DC6F31.377B8DE0@radix.net> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 08:08:17 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles , Ninja List Subject: Broke 50K miles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I broke 50,000 miles on AM(tm) quietly in traffic 2 days ago... this got me to thinking, how does AM(tm) stack up against the other vehicles I've owned - - Owned AM(tm) for 7 1/2 years, longest of any of my vehicles - actually put 35k miles on her myself 3rd most of my vehicles. - definitely THE MOST trouble free vehicle I've EVER owned.* - DEFINITELY the coolest vehicle I've ever owned. - easiest to maintain, clean & wash. - Most economical vehicle I've owned. - ABSOLUTELY the quickest, fastest vehicle I've owned... * Ok, ok, so the motor's been apart more than all my other vehicle's combined ;-), that was my doing & choice, it's not like there were any problems. so let's see, been driving now for almost 16 years, and in that time, I've owned 1 truck, 2 SUV's, 2 motorcycles, and 10 cars[5 were POS cars]... I'd say the Ninja has paid for itself in years of enjoyment ! -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 09:26:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e95DQEB18256 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001005132607.19380.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.186] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 06:26:07 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 06:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > One of the larger rides that we've had formed up at the > Middleburg Exxon one > morning with the mercury in the mid-30s. Each arriving > rider was more amazed > than the last that anyone else showed up. was this in '97? the tips of a couple of my fingers are still numb from that one..... the female turnout on that ride was especially high, if i remember correctly -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 09:38:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mail.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95Dc5B18484 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id 2.e1.a8e1186 (1814) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:37:49 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:37:48 EDT Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 10/5/2000 09:27:58 Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > was this in '97? the tips of a couple of my fingers are > still numb from that one..... > > the female turnout on that ride was especially high, if i > remember correctly Ayuh - I do believe that was the time frame - can't remember if Anita or Linda put it together. I also remember Jeanette taking her jacket off in the McD's in Purcellville a year or so back and bitching about the cold. As I further remember, she was wearing a sweater under her jacket that came down to slightly below her shoulders - haven't seen that much bare skin at a motorcycle related event since Daytona ;-) What price, fashion? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 09:45:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95Dj7B18673 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id IAA03291 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:45:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id IAA03286 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:45:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA03415; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001005094506.00a115c0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 09:47:04 -0400 To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oh, GAWD, I will NEVER live that down! : ( ...and no, it came well below my shoulders! A few inches below my boobs, if I recall correctly! ; ) Collin reminds me of it too many times for me to forget! LOL I just wish I still had that stomach! ; ) Ah, the days of being single... ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > >Ayuh - I do believe that was the time frame - can't remember if Anita or >Linda put it together. > >I also remember Jeanette taking her jacket off in the McD's in Purcellville a >year or so back and bitching about the cold. As I further remember, she was >wearing a sweater under her jacket that came down to slightly below her >shoulders - haven't seen that much bare skin at a motorcycle related event >since Daytona ;-) > >What price, fashion? > >Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 09:55:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95DtqB18773 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA25495; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:57:22 -0400 Message-ID: <39DC88A6.FD475D6C@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 09:56:54 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laura Granato , "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: ok...ok...final reminder References: <008801c02e6c$1e3c7c40$98f5143f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura Granato wrote: > > > Laura "the non-cold-weather-lovin" Granato. In my effort to make riding season longer by staving off the chilly temps, I went with a Polartec 200 fleece pullover that I wear under my Joe Rocket Ballistic Jacket. http://www.polartec.com/ Polartec gear is quite warm, without all the bulk. I got mine at the Eddie Bauer store in Marley Station Mall for $60.00. I saw the same thing in a Lands End Catalog for $47.50. (Charley Brown voice- On. "Aaaarrrrgggghhhhh!!!) http://www.landsend.com My next step will be Electric's of course. I think I'd like to ride for most of the year. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 10:09:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95E9IB19012 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA04401 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:03:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: The World Needs More Women Like This Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:09:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Check out Katja Poensgen: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcracing/katja.html http://www.katja-poensgen.de/engl/index.htm Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 10:09:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from atlantic.va.grci.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [199.89.132.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95E9dB19032 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jwoodruff40 (mso102.cc.grci.com [205.244.56.102]) by atlantic.va.grci.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e95E9Uj15065 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:09:31 -0400 From: "Kurt B. Kightly" To: Subject: Electric gloves Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:09:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c02ed5$e108b590$6638f4cd@cc.grci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Can anyone recommend a brand of heated gloves? My Connie has pigtails from the electrical system, so I can just plug them in. Thanks, K2 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 10:20:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95EKsB19250 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id v.5e.185bca3 (6964); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:20:38 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <5e.185bca3.270de836@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:20:38 EDT Subject: Re: The World Needs More Women Like This To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 10/5/00 10:10:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chris.weaver@XXXXXX writes: > heck out Katja Poensgen: > http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcracing/katja.html > http://www.katja-poensgen.de/engl/index.htm And she's even cooler standing next to Kevin Schwanz in the Laguna Seca paddock at the SBK round signing posters and letting people have their pics taken with her. ::BIG GRIN:: - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 10:27:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e95ERmB19337 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001005142741.10724.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 07:27:40 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:27:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... To: Jeannette Zell , MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Heck, I still remember that day you and Tom met at Leon's Circles event [at least I think that was the first time you met...]. At the restaurant you guys were showing off your piercings... After Tom lifted up his shirt to show his nipple piercing, I'm sure a few folks were wondering if you were going to one up him... (wasn't to be though...) ;-) Louis --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > Oh, GAWD, I will NEVER live that down! : ( > ...and no, it came well below my shoulders! A few inches below my boobs, > if I recall correctly! ; ) > Collin reminds me of it too many times for me to forget! LOL > I just wish I still had that stomach! ; ) > Ah, the days of being single... ; ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 10:34:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95EY4B19429 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id JAA08758 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:34:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id JAA08752 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:34:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA04552; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001005103458.00a32230@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:36:02 -0400 To: "Louis F. Caplan" , MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... In-Reply-To: <20001005142741.10724.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" LOL, mine was a much more "demure" navel ring. ; ) That was the first day we met, you have a good memory! Think I might've been wearing that same sweater, even! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 07:27 AM 10/5/00 -0700, Louis F. Caplan wrote: >Heck, I still remember that day you and Tom met at Leon's Circles event [at >least I think that was the first time you met...]. At the restaurant you guys >were showing off your piercings... After Tom lifted up his shirt to show his >nipple piercing, I'm sure a few folks were wondering if you were going to one >up him... (wasn't to be though...) ;-) > >Louis > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 10:44:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95EiNB19578 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQjjpi08512 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:44:20 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjjpi10791 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:44:10 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:44:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Fast Lane sale Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1241365447==_ma============" --============_-1241365447==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Just a plug. 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Just a plug. They've been real good to me this year. Go by, spend some money.

FAST LANE CYCLES, specializing in high performance tuning and products, would like to inform you that they are having their End of Season Sale.  This is a great opportunity to stock up early for Christmas.  Take up to 30% off all leathers and helmets in stock and 20% off all special order leathers and helmets.  Everything else in the store is 15% off.  Mention this ad and receive free shipping.  Hurry, offer expires on October 31, 2000.  (703) 818-8890.  www.fastlanecycles.com  4215-R Walney Road, Chantilly, VA 20151.

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"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it."
-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

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WERA Novice #230

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--============_-1241365447==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 10:47:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95ElKB19657 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05014 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:41:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: Recent Postings Web Page Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:47:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Can someone here please send me the link to the page that someone set up that has the latest 20 or so postings to the list? (I'm not referring to the archive on dc-cycles.org) I'm hoping to include something like that on the new DCcycles site and I don't have that link anymore. Thanks, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 11:23:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95FNAB20252 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA11773; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901c02ee1$246b3960$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , , , "Jeannette Zell" References: <4.1.20001005103458.00a32230@intertv.com> Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:30:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 LOL.... ahhh.... mammories, er uh, memories... ;-) Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeannette Zell" To: "Louis F. Caplan" ; ; Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:36 AM Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... > LOL, mine was a much more "demure" navel ring. ; ) > That was the first day we met, you have a good memory! > Think I might've been wearing that same sweater, even! ; ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > At 07:27 AM 10/5/00 -0700, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > >Heck, I still remember that day you and Tom met at Leon's Circles event [at > >least I think that was the first time you met...]. At the restaurant you guys > >were showing off your piercings... After Tom lifted up his shirt to show his > >nipple piercing, I'm sure a few folks were wondering if you were going to one > >up him... (wasn't to be though...) ;-) > > > >Louis > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 11:46:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95FkdB20552 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-217-244.s244.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.217.244] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13hDEB-0002So-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:46:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c02ee3$1dab66c0$f4d93ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: Subject: Re: WashPost Article Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:29:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Nice piece, Erik. As for Chuck's comments below, I think the Harley/non-Harley dichotomy is a little overblown, if the wave index is any guide. I wave at just about anything with an engine and two wheels. There are plenty of aloof sportbike riders that don't give me the time of day, more so than the Harley riders. Maybe the sportbike riders can't wave because their wrists and elbows hurt too much from supporting their upper bodies, I don't know. ;) I went up to York bike night last Friday. Once you hit the Pa. border it was practically a nonstop wave all the way into York and that was a 95% Harley event. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 4:14 PM Subject: RE: WashPost Article > Chuck, you sound like one of my old professors in asking what conclusions > I'm drawing from my report! .. As a non-Harley rider (rice burner GSXR750), everything > you wrote rings basically true with my own experiences. I've had Harley > riders wave back to me, but mostly not. And only a few Harley riders > who seem to want to talk and socialize. But by and large, I have the > sense that there is this great divide between those who ride Harleys and > those who don't. Your article just seems to reinforce that. > > Chuck From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 11:49:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95FnUB20557 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02323; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:49:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Christopher Weaver cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Recent Postings Web Page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The link is http://www.min.net/~berman/morris/lists/dccycles/ It's generated by a combination of Mhonarc and procmail running on my ISP. If you want to implement it on the web server drop me a line and I can try to help you get it implemented so that the DC-Cycles web site could be self sufficient. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Christopher Weaver wrote: > Can someone here please send me the link to the page that someone set up > that has the latest 20 or so postings to the list? (I'm not referring to the > archive on dc-cycles.org) I'm hoping to include something like that on the > new DCcycles site and I don't have that link anymore. > > Thanks, > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 11:55:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95FtpB20666 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e95Ftmh9185859 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39DCA46F.B947E227@radix.net> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:55:27 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: WashPost Article References: <000101c02ee3$1dab66c0$f4d93ad0@palladio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Paul A. Wilson" wrote: ...I think the > Harley/non-Harley dichotomy is a little overblown, if the wave index is any > guide. I wave at just about anything with an engine and two wheels. There > are plenty of aloof sportbike riders that don't give me the time of day, > more so than the Harley riders. is it time, again for the semi annual 'wave' thread ? :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 12:12:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95GC1B20973 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:09:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: pawilson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WashPost Article Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:09:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My problem isn't with aloofness. I know that I've missed bikes, or even couldn't wave because I needed both hands on the bar at that moment. My problem is more with riders who directly look at you, and then consciously do not return the wave. And my experience has been that these are, to a large degree, Harley riders. I realize that not all Harley riders do this. We've got some engaging Harley riders on this very list. And my experience, while *on* the Harley, was that just about all Harley riders would return the wave. Does this keep me up at night? Of course not. But as a consequence of some Harley riders being rude in their non-wave return, I don't even bother to wave to any Harley riders anymore. And that would probably include some riders who would actually wave back. That's all I was trying to say. Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Paul A. Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:30 AM To: dc cycles Subject: Re: WashPost Article Nice piece, Erik. As for Chuck's comments below, I think the Harley/non-Harley dichotomy is a little overblown, if the wave index is any guide. I wave at just about anything with an engine and two wheels. There are plenty of aloof sportbike riders that don't give me the time of day, more so than the Harley riders. Maybe the sportbike riders can't wave because their wrists and elbows hurt too much from supporting their upper bodies, I don't know. ;) I went up to York bike night last Friday. Once you hit the Pa. border it was practically a nonstop wave all the way into York and that was a 95% Harley event. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 4:14 PM Subject: RE: WashPost Article > Chuck, you sound like one of my old professors in asking what conclusions > I'm drawing from my report! .. As a non-Harley rider (rice burner GSXR750), everything > you wrote rings basically true with my own experiences. I've had Harley > riders wave back to me, but mostly not. And only a few Harley riders > who seem to want to talk and socialize. But by and large, I have the > sense that there is this great divide between those who ride Harleys and > those who don't. Your article just seems to reinforce that. > > Chuck From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 12:15:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e95GFtB21084 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001005161548.28510.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.188] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 09:15:48 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:15:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Fast Lane sale To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i just called them and asked about the sale (after getting a price on some tires)....the guy says "do you have the sale flyer?" what do you suggest we do, sean? perhaps you should call rick and tell him you turned 200+ people on to his sale, but they don't have flyers..... :) --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Just a plug. They've been real good to me this year. Go > by, spend some money. > > FAST LANE CYCLES, specializing in high performance tuning > and > products, would like to inform you that they are having > their End of > Season Sale. This is a great opportunity to stock up > early for > Christmas. Take up to 30% off all leathers and helmets > in stock and > 20% off all special order leathers and helmets. > Everything else in > the store is 15% off. Mention this ad and receive free > shipping. > Hurry, offer expires on October 31, 2000. (703) > 818-8890. > www.fastlanecycles.com 4215-R Walney Road, Chantilly, VA > 20151. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 12:19:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mail.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95GJlB21120 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id 3.af.169b034 (16781); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:19:26 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:19:25 EDT Subject: Re: WashPost Article To: eschelzig@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 104 Eh... the truth is that most Harley Riders aren't snubbing you... they just can't take one hand off the bars and ride at the same time... =) -Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 12:22:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95GLwB21205 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e95GLsh9062822; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39DCAA8D.3B0F4DD5@radix.net> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:21:33 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fast Lane sale References: <20001005161548.28510.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > i just called them and asked about the sale (after getting > a price on some tires)....the guy says "do you have the > sale flyer?" > > what do you suggest we do, sean? Well, you could ask for 'Eric, the singing counter guy' :-) - seriously... he should know what it's about... > perhaps you should call > rick and tell him you turned 200+ people on to his sale, > but they don't have flyers..... :) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 12:24:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95GOAB21233 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e95GO8h9313835 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39DCAB13.6588101C@radix.net> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:23:47 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WashPost Article References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Eh... the truth is that most Harley Riders aren't snubbing you... they just > can't take one hand off the bars and ride at the same time... Yup, it is time for the 'wave' thread ;-) what's the consensus, you see a rider on the other side of a divided highway ; should you wave ? What if they're on a Harley? What if you can't tell ? -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 12:54:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95GsDB21770 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-212-40.s294.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.212.40] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13hEHa-0006nn-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:54:11 -0400 Message-ID: <007401c02eec$8ed299a0$28d43ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: Subject: Re: WashPost Article Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:48:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Well, I'll just keep scanning for those single headlights and keep waving at everyone, whether they like it or not. :) Actually your article whetted my appetite for renting a Harley. Maybe out West next summer. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: > My problem isn't with aloofness. I know that I've missed bikes, or even > couldn't wave because I needed both hands on the bar at that moment. My > problem is more with riders who directly look at you, and then consciously > do not return the wave. .. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 13:26:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net (relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net [38.9.157.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95HQZB22286 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13hEms-0002J2-00; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 13:26:30 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id S9V4DZMK; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:14:03 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: "Paul A. Wilson" , "dc cycles" Subject: RE: WashPost Article Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:28:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007401c02eec$8ed299a0$28d43ad0@palladio> I agree!!! Michiko -----Original Message----- From: Paul A. Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:48 AM To: dc cycles Subject: Re: WashPost Article Well, I'll just keep scanning for those single headlights and keep waving at everyone, whether they like it or not. :) Actually your article whetted my appetite for renting a Harley. Maybe out West next summer. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: > My problem isn't with aloofness. I know that I've missed bikes, or even > couldn't wave because I needed both hands on the bar at that moment. My > problem is more with riders who directly look at you, and then consciously > do not return the wave. .. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 13:26:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95HQbB22288 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G1Y00M01WFR9E@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:26:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G1Y00L36WFQZV@XXXXXX>; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:26:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G1Y00K01WFQQG@XXXXXX>; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:26:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G1Y00K01WFJO9@XXXXXX>; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:26:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G1Y00K0GWFDMX@XXXXXX>; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:26:01 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 13:25:08 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: WashPost Article To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39DCB974.CF5C9885@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <39DCAB13.6588101C@radix.net> Dave Yates wrote: > what's the consensus, you see a rider on the other side of a divided > highway ; should you wave ? Should I? Probably not. I'd be safer conentrating on traffic going in my direction. But I wave anyway. > What if they're on a Harley? What if you can't tell ? A lot of times I can't tell if it's a Harley or clone, but I can usually determine cruiser vs tourer vs sport-tourer vs standard vs sportbike vs scooter vs moped. Not that it matters, I wave at anything with a motor and two-wheels. By the time I figure out make/model, it's too late to wave. Was in my car this morning (before my commute to work on the bike) dropping the kid off at the babysitters. Saw a bike coming the other way. Went to wave (it's almost a reflex now), smacked my fingers on the window. D'oh! I hope he didn't see me.... :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 13:27:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e95HRZB22380 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 22809 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 10:27:24 -0700 Date: 5 Oct 2000 10:27:24 -0700 Message-ID: <20001005172724.22808.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 5 Oct 2000 17:27:24 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 05 Oct 2000 10:27:24 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sdave@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: WashPost Article On Thu, 05 October 2000, Dave Yates wrote: > what's the consensus, you see a rider on the other side of a divided > highway ; should you wave ? > What if they're on a Harley? What if you can't tell ? > It depends if you're an ass or not :-) I wave no matter what...if they don't wave back, well...they're the meanies in my book. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 13:27:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95HRcB22389 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:24:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: pawilson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WashPost Article / Harley Rental Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:24:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The nice thing about this particular rental place is that there is no daily mileage restriction. Some rental places, like some in West Virginia say you can only go 150 miles a day. So in this case, whether you rent the bike for a week only to commute to work, or if you take it on an Iron Butt tour, doesn't make a lick of a difference in the final accounting. One problem that was cut out of my article is with the "loss damage waiver." This is an optional additional daily expense of $29 or so dollars. If you don't get it, you are responsible for the entire value of the bike, should you break or lose it. But even if you *do* but the extra coverage, there is still a $2,000 deductible in case of something happening to the bike. I found this pretty disquieting. Having a bike stolen sucks badly enough. Having to pay two grand on top of that would be even worse! The people at American Road Collection argue that they must keep the deductible so high for insurance reasons, and I have no reason not to believe them. Bike rentals are fairly uncommon, so I believe that insurance companies are wary. But it still is no joy to be on the hook like that should something happen. AMC recommends checking with your own bike insurance to see whether you might be covered when renting bikes. By next Spring, the shop here in Fairfax (as well as other Harley Authorized Rental places) will have 2001 models of bikes which should be fun, too. AMC branches in Florida are already sporting some 2001 models. Which brings me to another point: the nice thing about AMC is that you can make one-way rentals, dropping off the bike at any of their five locations in Massachusetts, Florida, and of course here in Fairfax. Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Paul A. Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 12:48 PM To: dc cycles Subject: Re: WashPost Article Well, I'll just keep scanning for those single headlights and keep waving at everyone, whether they like it or not. :) Actually your article whetted my appetite for renting a Harley. Maybe out West next summer. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: > My problem isn't with aloofness. I know that I've missed bikes, or even > couldn't wave because I needed both hands on the bar at that moment. My > problem is more with riders who directly look at you, and then consciously > do not return the wave. .. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 13:36:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95HaeB22572 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4G1NRHB3>; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:36:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Hawg Riders and Picking on Jerry Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:36:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I don't expect any waves from the cruiser crowd, but I am pleased when they manage it. You see, since a lot of those old boys only get 600 or so miles under their wheels each year, they're unwilling to relinquish their grip on the bars out of fear of the result. Try to have a little sympathy. Wave first and just imagine you received a reciprocal twitch. I would like to say a few words in defense of Triumph of America, in which I own absolutely no stock nor with which any relatives are employed. A lister recently mentioned the name of Jerry Parrish while bashing customer service. The statements this person made were wholly inconsistent with what I know about Jerry, with whom I have had several conversations and e-mail exchanges, as well as a warranty issue. According to the lister, beside replacing his blown engine Triumph made a goodwill offer consistent with his request for bodywork, but he didn't consider it adequate. Equally, the tone of the statements seemed a trifle hostile -- especially the part about hiring a lawyer. For those of you who don't know him, Jerry Parrish is an intelligent and considerate person, and he is also the ONLY customer relations person supporting all of the US and Canada. I'm not making excuses for the adequacy of Triumph CR, rather I am satisfied that Jerry works harder than any CR rep I've ever dealt with to keep people happy with their decision to purchase a Triumph. Unfortunately, when some folks get unhappy they resort to unreasonable demands, make threats, can't be bothered to give others a chance to work the system, and don't ask for help politely. It would be nice if the world worked to satisfy our every want. Most of us have tried to develop the equanimity necessary to overcome the frequent disappointments of life without unnecessarily taking our frustrations out on others. Seems to work pretty well. After all, the only variable in this equation we have any control over is ourselves. Crash AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 13:39:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95HdZB22582 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e95HdXh5502233 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39DCBCC0.4758254F@radix.net> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 13:39:12 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WashPost Article / Harley Rental References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > > The nice thing about this particular rental place is that there is no daily > mileage restriction. Some rental places, like some in West Virginia say you > can only go 150 miles a day. So in this case, whether you rent the bike for > a week only to commute to work, or if you take it on an Iron Butt tour, > doesn't make a lick of a difference in the final accounting. Very cool. > One problem that was cut out of my article is with the "loss damage waiver." > This is an optional additional daily expense of $29 or so dollars. If you > don't get it, you are responsible for the entire value of the bike, should > you break or lose it. But even if you *do* but the extra coverage, there is > still a $2,000 deductible in case of something happening to the bike. Very Uncool. > I found this pretty disquieting. Having a bike stolen sucks badly enough. > Having to pay two grand on top of that would be even worse! In the pre historic words of Wilma Flintstone CHAAAAARGE IT ! Amex (I think), & a couple Platinum Visa/MC offer LDW coverage when you charge the rental. As advised by Erik ; check 1st so you don't find out the hard way... > By next Spring, the shop here in Fairfax (as well as other Harley Authorized > Rental places) will have 2001 models of bikes which should be fun, too. AMC > branches in Florida are already sporting some 2001 models. Which brings me > to another point: the nice thing about AMC is that you can make one-way > rentals, dropping off the bike at any of their five locations in > Massachusetts, Florida, and of course here in Fairfax. Even More Cool :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 13:52:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95HqcB22803 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:49:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: sdave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WashPost Article / Harley Rental Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:49:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Erik said: > I found this pretty disquieting. Having a bike stolen sucks badly enough. > Having to pay two grand on top of that would be even worse! To which Dave Yates responded: |In the pre historic words of Wilma Flintstone CHAAAAARGE IT ! Amex (I |think), & a couple Platinum Visa/MC offer LDW coverage when you charge |the rental. As advised by Erik ; check 1st so you don't find out the |hard way... Ah -- but check the fine print of your credit card coverage: it usually only applies to cars. Not trucks, not sport utility vehicles, and most certainly not to motorcycles. Your coverage may vary, but I'd wager (not very much, mind you) that bikes aren't covered. If they are, tell me what card you're using and I'll sing up! Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 13:58:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95HwbB22880 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e95Hwah7800246 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39DCC137.C6672564@radix.net> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 13:58:15 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: WashPost Article / Harley Rental References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > > I found this pretty disquieting. Having a bike stolen sucks badly enough. > > Having to pay two grand on top of that would be even worse! > > To which Dave Yates responded: > > |In the pre historic words of Wilma Flintstone CHAAAAARGE IT ! Amex (I > |think), & a couple Platinum Visa/MC offer LDW coverage when you charge > |the rental. As advised by Erik ; check 1st so you don't find out the > |hard way... > And then, Erik advised: > > Ah -- but check the fine print of your credit card coverage: it usually > only applies to cars. Not trucks, not sport utility vehicles, and most > certainly not to motorcycles. Figures. I was thinking that may be the case, but maybe they'd be willing to cover it if asked... > Your coverage may vary, but I'd wager (not > very much, mind you) that bikes aren't covered. If they are, tell me what > card you're using and I'll sing up! Might be worth it to hear that :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 14:22:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web1501.mail.yahoo.com (web1501.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e95IMEB23275 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27941 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2000 18:22:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20001005182211.27940.qmail@web1501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.174.166.100] by web1501.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:22:11 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:22:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Kristina Rogish Subject: Re: Parking ticket in Old Town To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Never mind that a block away there are two bikes with covers that are never ticketed, parked 90 degrees to the curb. > > How 'bout some pictures for the courtroom... I went out to my bike the day that I was moving... all the bikes in the apartment complex park next to each other at the end of the road, power in numbers and whatnot. Sometimes a car parks too far front, so we end up spilling over the little painted yellow line, but still on the curb. Since I was moving (and therefore riding around), my cover was off... went out to pickup lunch for my friends helping me move and saw a ticket... i figured it was gonna be for not having a county sticker, which I had actually just gotten a few days before and not stuck on yet. Turns out it was a ticket for being parked in the fire lane. I was pissed... tore up the ticket. There were at least 3-4 other bikes with covers on them parked in the fire lane also, but since mine had no cover, they were able to stick the ticket under the front of my seat. Grrrrr. i should go back and take pics and fight it... I will be pissed if I have to pay it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 14:30:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web1506.mail.yahoo.com (web1506.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.184]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e95IU9B23460 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24297 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2000 18:41:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20001005184103.24296.qmail@web1506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.174.166.100] by web1506.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:41:03 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Kristina Rogish Subject: Re: ok...ok...final reminder To: Laura Granato , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK... I think I'm in.... I NEED DIRECTIONS TO THE SHEETZ! Anyone care to give me some from the Beltway? I'm living near Landmark now. I could also be persuaded to meet up with a group for the ride to the Sheetz beforehand at a place where we can have HOT coffee! -Kristina 703-212-7545 --- Laura Granato wrote: > Ok, Ok, because I refuse to be called a wimp by anyone > but myself...My > unprepared-for-riding-in-cold-weather ass will be there > this Saturday! You > all better be there too!!! > > So, last reminder > > Who: All of you! > What: Relaxed Ride 3 > When: This Saturday, 10 am > Where: Sheetz at corner of 55 and 15 > Why: Because we love riding, even in the cold weather > How: well, hopefully you know this already... > > See you then... > Laura "the non-cold-weather-lovin" Granato :-) > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 14:39:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e95IdUB23551 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001005183923.6742.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.180] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:39:23 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:39:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: WashPost Article / Harley Rental To: eschelzig@XXXXXX, sdave@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > Erik said: > > > I found this pretty disquieting. Having a bike stolen > sucks badly enough. > > Having to pay two grand on top of that would be even > worse! > > To which Dave Yates responded: > > |In the pre historic words of Wilma Flintstone CHAAAAARGE > IT ! Amex (I > |think), & a couple Platinum Visa/MC offer LDW coverage > when you charge > |the rental. As advised by Erik ; check 1st so you don't > find out the > |hard way... > > > Ah -- but check the fine print of your credit card > coverage: it usually > only applies to cars. Not trucks, not sport utility > vehicles, and most > certainly not to motorcycles. Your coverage may vary, > but I'd wager (not > very much, mind you) that bikes aren't covered. If they > are, tell me what > card you're using and I'll sing up! i don't know about the credit card issue, but check your motorcycle policy and it may have an endorsement which redefines 'car' to include 2-wheeled vehicles and the policy may define 'non-owned car' as a rented car. my state farm policy thus includes coverage for rented 2-wheeled vehicles. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 14:46:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95IkPB23701 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id 2.79.a778f1d (4314) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:46:14 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <79.a778f1d.270e2676@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:46:14 EDT Subject: Directions to Sheetz (from Beltway) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 10/5/2000 14:32:02 Eastern Daylight Time, krogish@XXXXXX writes: > OK... I think I'm in.... I NEED DIRECTIONS TO THE SHEETZ! Piece of pie - Beltway to I-66 West Exit #40 (Route 15) - approximately 25 miles from Beltway South on 15 Sheetz is on your left - about 1/4 mile from I-66 As they say in the business - "Ya can't miss it" Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 14:50:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e95IomB23802 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10709 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2000 18:50:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20001005185046.10708.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:50:46 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:50:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Electric gloves To: "Kurt B. Kightly" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I use Widder, I've heard good things about Gerbings as well. Widder gloves are 6 volts, they must be wired in series to work correctly. Gerbings gloves are 12v, they draw slightly more power and are somewhat warmer as a result. I also keep a nylon rain cover over my electric gloves at all times, it makes them warmer and protects them from the weather so they don't wear out so soon. Leon. --- "Kurt B. Kightly" wrote: > > > Can anyone recommend a brand of heated gloves? My > Connie has pigtails from > the electrical system, so I can just plug them in. > > Thanks, K2 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 14:50:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95IosB23812 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e95Ioqh9342962 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39DCCD77.20E8C1A0@radix.net> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:50:31 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Hawg Riders and Picking on Jerry References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Smith, Steven" wrote: > > I don't expect any waves from the cruiser crowd, but I am pleased when they > manage it. You see, since a lot of those old boys only get 600 or so miles > under their wheels each year, they're unwilling to relinquish their grip on > the bars out of fear of the result. Try to have a little sympathy. Wave > first and just imagine you received a reciprocal twitch. Why don't cagers wave ? > I would like to say a few words in defense of Triumph of America, in which I > own absolutely no stock nor with which any relatives are employed. A lister That would be Paresh... > recently mentioned the name of Jerry Parrish while bashing customer service. In his defense, his trip was interrupted by a warranty covered failure, and it's taken Triumph QUITE a long time to (not yet) resolve this. While Triumph agreed to repair the motor, I didn't hear they offered to get him where he was going, and his riding season is pretty much over... > The statements this person made were wholly inconsistent with what I know > about Jerry, with whom I have had several conversations and e-mail > exchanges, as well as a warranty issue. According to the lister, beside > replacing his blown engine Triumph made a goodwill offer consistent with his > request for bodywork, but he didn't consider it adequate. Legally, they're only obligated to repair the motor. As a matter of principle, I would think they could have incurred some expense like maybe, leasing him a ride for a week or until fixed maybe ? or a loaner to get him home ? He was hundreds of miles from home... > Equally, the tone > of the statements seemed a trifle hostile -- especially the part about > hiring a lawyer. OTOH, the tone of the alleged Triumph response, seems a bit... weak... Having had a lemon, & having, seperately missed a large portion of the riding season once, I can tell you from personal experience, the stress, frustration, anger & feeling of being cheated is quite overwhelming. That said, I did mail Paresh & try to convey some opinion to him from my previous experiences... > For those of you who don't know him, Jerry Parrish is an > intelligent and considerate person, and he is also the ONLY customer > relations person supporting all of the US and Canada. I'm not making > excuses for the adequacy of Triumph CR, rather I am satisfied that Jerry > works harder than any CR rep I've ever dealt with to keep people happy with > their decision to purchase a Triumph. Alas, it seemed to me that Paresh was having trouble getting work out of the *dealer*... JP could be Santa Claus, but the dealer seemed pretty unmotivated to help in this instance... allegedly... > > Unfortunately, when some folks get unhappy they resort to unreasonable > demands, make threats, can't be bothered to give others a chance to work the > system, and don't ask for help politely. It would be nice if the world > worked to satisfy our every want. Most of us have tried to develop the > equanimity necessary to overcome the frequent disappointments A lunched motor under warranty, be it cage, bike, scooter, whatever is a tad more than a 'disappointment', rather, if you're using for transportation, it could be several hundred dollars worth of impediment... Remember, Paresh is still paying on that bike while it's sitting there in that shop, probably collecting dust while it waits on a $6.00 part that some $5.00 / hour counter clerk forgot to order 6 weeks ago... or maybe not, who knows... My point is, our lister is PO'd at Triumph, and at least part of his rant is certainly valid. > of life without unnecessarily taking our frustrations out on others. Seems to work > pretty well. After all, the only variable in this equation we have any > control over is ourselves. Very true. Thanks for the tip on Jerry though, it's nice to know the name of a potential ally. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 14:52:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95IqBB23822 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-214-171.s171.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.214.171] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13hG7k-0007bV-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:52:09 -0400 Message-ID: <005201c02efd$0b1987c0$abd63ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <39DCC137.C6672564@radix.net> Subject: Re: WashPost Article / Harley Rental Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:44:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I had that problem with a cage once. We rented a car and my wife promptly backed it into a dumpster, incurring $600 in damage to the body work. We had waived the CDW and if we had charged it on Card A instead of Charge B, as we did it, our deductible would have been covered. There is more fine print in most of those card policies, however. First you must report it to your auto insurance carrier and make a claim for whatever they will cover. The credit card will only pay what your insurance company doesn't, i.e. they only pay for your uninsured loss. I imagine most if not all credit cards do not cover bikes and that most bike insurance policies do not cover rentals. A friend of mine in the rental car business says that CDW is a real cash cow for the industry and that most people, if they have auto insurance, don't need it, because what they are doing is buying a high priced insurance policy on their deductible. In most cases you SHOULD buy the CDW for renting anything but an auto or if you do not own a car and therefore have no insurance. That goes for trucks especially. They are pointedly not covered on auto policies and I'd hate to be on the hook for totaling a moving truck. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the rental company is usually covered in full on their own insurance for theft and other comprehensive losses. The renter is only responsible for collision in most of those rental contracts, although I must confess I've never read the fine print. I guess you take your chances with the deductible on the Harley rental, unless you can get a special rider on your bike policy to cover the rental for the period you have it. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Yates > eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > I found this pretty disquieting. Having a bike stolen sucks badly enough. > > > Having to pay two grand on top of that would be even worse! > > > > To which Dave Yates responded: > > > > |In the pre historic words of Wilma Flintstone CHAAAAARGE IT ! Amex (I > > |think), & a couple Platinum Visa/MC offer LDW coverage when you charge > > |the rental. As advised by Erik ; check 1st so you don't find out the > > |hard way... > > > And then, Erik advised: > > > > Ah -- but check the fine print of your credit card coverage: it usually > > only applies to cars. Not trucks, not sport utility vehicles, and most > > certainly not to motorcycles. > > Figures. I was thinking that may be the case, but maybe they'd be > willing to cover it if asked... > > > Your coverage may vary, but I'd wager (not > > very much, mind you) that bikes aren't covered. If they are, tell me what > > card you're using and I'll sing up! > > Might be worth it to hear that :-) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 15:14:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mail.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95JEoB24151 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id 2.51.1b1834f (4417) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:14:35 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <51.1b1834f.270e2d1a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:14:34 EDT Subject: Re: Hawg Riders and Picking on Jerry To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 10/5/2000 14:52:44 Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > Why don't cagers wave ? They used to - my Grandfather would always wave at an approaching Nash. I guess the progression (over time) is: 1. Wave at everyone 2. Wave at people driving/riding what I'm driving/riding 3. Ignore everyone 4. Resume waving, using only selected parts of the hand (typically either one finger or no fingers) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 15:25:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95JPYB24323 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G1Z00C011TO70@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:22:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G1Z00BCF1TO9Y@XXXXXX>; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:22:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G1Z006011TN9N@XXXXXX>; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:22:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G1Z006011TG8B@XXXXXX>; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:22:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G1Z006111T76D@XXXXXX>; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:22:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:21:27 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Hawg Riders and Picking on Jerry To: MJordan666@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39DCD4B7.97E13CCA@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <51.1b1834f.270e2d1a@aol.com> MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 10/5/2000 14:52:44 Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX > writes: > > > Why don't cagers wave ? > > They used to - my Grandfather would always wave at an approaching Nash. I had a friend in college who drove a Saab. Always waved at other Saabs, most times they waved back. I thought it was cool. Shame the car was so dorky-looking and glitch-prone. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 15:30:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95JUcB24471 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e95JUbh7871988 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39DCD6C7.23646FB7@radix.net> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:30:15 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hawg Riders and Picking on Jerry References: <51.1b1834f.270e2d1a@aol.com> <39DCD4B7.97E13CCA@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Why don't cagers wave ? > > > > They used to - my Grandfather would always wave at an approaching Nash. > > I had a friend in college who drove a Saab. Always waved at other > Saabs, most times they waved back. I thought it was cool. Shame > the car was so dorky-looking and glitch-prone. :) they were commiserating... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 15:39:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mail.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95JdwB24582 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.7d.b3456d5 (4417) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:39:38 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7d.b3456d5.270e32f9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:39:37 EDT Subject: Re: Hawg Riders and Picking on Jerry To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 10/5/2000 15:32:16 Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > > I had a friend in college who drove a Saab. Always waved at other > > Saabs, most times they waved back. I thought it was cool. Shame > > the car was so dorky-looking and glitch-prone. :) > > they were commiserating... > A real saab story, no doubt... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 15:41:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95JfdB24595 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-215-212.s466.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.215.212] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13hGtc-0005hH-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:41:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c02f03$f46f0de0$d4d73ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <20001005182211.27940.qmail@web1501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Parking ticket in Old Town Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:25:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Kristina, I don't know if the selective enforcement argument would get you very far in this case, since you would be admitting to being parked in the fire lane. Better to argue that signs are missing, illegible or ambiguous, couldn't see the faded yellow line because a covered bike was parked on top of it, etc., something that can be backed up with photographic proof. Being singled out is annoying, but it would have more force if you could argue discrimination based on some kind of vehicle profiling. If you and a bunch of cars were parked illegally and they only ticketed your bike, you might be onto something. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Kristina Rogish To: Dave Yates Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 2:22 PM Subject: Re: Parking ticket in Old Town > > Never mind that a block away there are two bikes with > covers that are never ticketed, parked 90 degrees to the > curb. > > > > How 'bout some pictures for the courtroom... > > I went out to my bike the day that I was moving... all the > bikes in the apartment complex park next to each other at > the end of the road, power in numbers and whatnot. > Sometimes a car parks too far front, so we end up spilling > over the little painted yellow line, but still on the curb. > Since I was moving (and therefore riding around), my cover > was off... went out to pickup lunch for my friends helping > me move and saw a ticket... i figured it was gonna be for > not having a county sticker, which I had actually just > gotten a few days before and not stuck on yet. Turns out > it was a ticket for being parked in the fire lane. I was > pissed... tore up the ticket. There were at least 3-4 > other bikes with covers on them parked in the fire lane > also, but since mine had no cover, they were able to stick > the ticket under the front of my seat. Grrrrr. i should > go back and take pics and fight it... I will be pissed if I > have to pay it. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 16:17:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95KHeB25211 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-211-32.s32.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.211.32] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13hHST-0001DV-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:17:38 -0400 Message-ID: <003401c02f08$fcc6ba60$d4d73ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <51.1b1834f.270e2d1a@aol.com> Subject: Re: Hawg Riders and Picking on Jerry Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:13:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I grew up in a very rural area in Ohio. There it is was considered bad form not to wave at people you'd see along the road: farmers on tractors, folks tending their gardens, etc., whether you knew them or not. Of course they'd look to see what was coming because on some of those roads a passing vehicle was a major event. Oncoming vehicles got a perfunctory two or three fingers lifted off the wheel (never one! that meant something far less friendly). To make this work, the preferred hand position on the wheel was the left hand at 12 o'clock. When I'm on the bike, I still wave at kids in passing cars if they're looking my direction. They seem to get a kick out of it and they probably think either "that's cool" or alternately, if they're jaded and over age ten, "what a dork". Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Hawg Riders and Picking on Jerry > In a message dated 10/5/2000 14:52:44 Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX > writes: > > > Why don't cagers wave ? > > They used to - my Grandfather would always wave at an approaching Nash. > > I guess the progression (over time) is: > > 1. Wave at everyone > 2. Wave at people driving/riding what I'm driving/riding > 3. Ignore everyone > 4. Resume waving, using only selected parts of the hand (typically either one > finger or no fingers) > > Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 16:31:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95KVqB25460 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-134-171.s425.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.134.171] helo=bigfoot.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13hHgE-0006R4-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:31:50 -0400 Message-ID: <39DCE54B.3574546@bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:32:11 -0400 From: vulgar_power X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: To wave or not to wave (was Re: WashPost Article) References: <39DCAB13.6588101C@radix.net> <39DCB974.CF5C9885@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horseman wrote: > Dave Yates wrote: > > > what's the consensus, you see a rider on the other side of a divided > > highway ; should you wave ? > > Should I? Probably not. I'd be safer conentrating on traffic going > in my direction. But I wave anyway. Same here. Except when leaving a light (shifting), or other things that absolutely require 2 hands. At those times and friendly nod (wazzup! lol) suffices. > > > > What if they're on a Harley? What if you can't tell ? > > A lot of times I can't tell if it's a Harley or clone, but I can usually > determine cruiser vs tourer vs sport-tourer vs standard vs sportbike > vs scooter vs moped. Not that it matters, I wave at anything with > a motor and two-wheels. By the time I figure out make/model, it's > too late to wave. All makes/models/riders get my wave. I think of it as they're out there on 2 wheels too, that's good enough in my book. At least they are trying the experience that motorcycling is, right? > > > Was in my car this morning (before my commute to work on the bike) > dropping the kid off at the babysitters. Saw a bike coming the other > way. Went to wave (it's almost a reflex now), smacked my fingers on > the window. D'oh! I hope he didn't see me.... :) Try to do it often, mostly get glares tho. Hmmm, there has to be a way to identify bikers who are caging it, other than the fact that they use turn signals, and actually LOOK before changing lanes. -j '00 ACE CD From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 17:20:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95LKtB26243 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13hIQn-0001Xx-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:19:57 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:20:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: To wave or not to wave (was Re: WashPost Article) In-Reply-To: <39DCE54B.3574546@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, vulgar_power wrote: > Try to do it often, mostly get glares tho. Hmmm, there has to be a way to > identify bikers who are caging it, other than the fact that they use turn signals, > and actually LOOK before changing lanes. > My car had a "Motorcycles are everywhere. Check twice save a life" bumper sticker from ABATE. Bikes would often wave as they passed me. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 17:56:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e95LuOB26713 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001005215621.NPLI10395.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:56:21 -0700 Message-ID: <006901c02f17$45a88840$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <51.1b1834f.270e2d1a@aol.com> Subject: Re: Hawg Riders and Picking on Jerry Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:57:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > Why don't cagers wave ? > > They used to - my Grandfather would always wave at an approaching Nash. I drive a Jeep Wrangler, those of us who actually remember what the CJ-8 was still wave but many younger drivers don't. God I feel old. The thing is, Waving is so instinctive that I find my self waving to bikes from the Jeep and Jeeps from the bike. James From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 18:52:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e95MqNB27701 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 24402 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 15:52:14 -0700 Received: from 1Cust128.tnt9.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.15.231.128) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 15:52:14 -0700 X-Sent: 5 Oct 2000 22:52:14 GMT Message-ID: <005501c02f1e$fdcd7a00$80e70f3f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: I WANT YOU BAD!!!! Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:52:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ok, did *that* get everyones attention? :-) The Web site is almost finished, but we're missing some critical information. This web site is for all of us, so it would be nice to get some more information from you all. Thank you so much to all of you who have already submitted stuff. We need bios! We need photos! We need ride routes! We need favorite roads! Your favorite M/C links! Shop names, contacts, and phone numbers BIOS: name location occupation old bikes current bike favorite part about riding anything else you want added RACER BIOS (and I know who you are that haven't submitted them, and I"ll write them FOR YOU! and trust me, you don't want that) name bikes you ride sponsors how long you've been racing championships/accomplishments etc..... RIDE ROUTES: state or states it covers, directions FAVORITE ROADS: this one is easy, just write down your favorite roads...doesn't have to be a route, just a road...that way people can look at their favorite roads and put together their own routes if they want to SHOP INFO name contact name phone number address if you have it YOUR FAVORITE M/C LINKS OR LINKS TO YOUR WEB SITES Either reply to this e-mail, or e-mail it to dccwebsite@XXXXXX THANKS! Laura From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 18:57:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e95MvUB27778 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 26542 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 15:57:22 -0700 Received: from 1Cust128.tnt9.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.15.231.128) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 15:57:22 -0700 X-Sent: 5 Oct 2000 22:57:22 GMT Message-ID: <006701c02f1f$b5194e00$80e70f3f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: relaxed ride 3 route sheet Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:57:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 RELAXED RIDE 3 ROUTE LEAVING FROM THE SHEETZ IN HAYMARKET AT THE INTERSECTION OF 55 AND 15: L 55 S X 15 L 628/Blantyre Rd. (not the gravel one, but first left once turns to two lanes) L 17/Winchester Rd. - stop sign Take 17 into Warrenton and follow signs for 17/15/29 going south (lots of gas stations in Warrenton) R Frost Ave./211 - traffic light R Van Roijen St. - traffic light L Waterloo Rd./678 - stop sign L 647/Crest Hill Rd. - stop sign, T intersection R 688/Leeds Manor Rd. - stop sign, 4-way intersection L after RR tracks and sharp 10 mph curve TRO 688 S X 55 L Route 17 - stop sign, T intersection L Route 50 - stop light, T intersection R 606 R Route 7 - stop sign, T intersection L Business Route 7 going into Round Hill R 719/Airmont Rd. (gas station) L 734/Snickersville Turnpike - stop sign R 611/St. Louis Rd. - flashing yellow light L Route 50/John Mosby Hwy. to Middleburg - stop sign, T intersection R 626/Plains Rd. (gas station) R 55 - stop sign, T intersection (gas station) S 55 into Marshall Lunch stop in Marshall at Joe's From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 20:05:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mail.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9605iB28938 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.cb.9fda117 (7332) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:05:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:05:28 EDT Subject: Re: I WANT YOU BAD!!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 I almost deleted it! I get email like that every day. Of course, it's expected when dealing with someone like myself.... Sean "Stud-master" Jordan From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 20:13:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (mailout2-1.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e960DCB29045 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from t1d4o4 (d18182c75.rochester.rr.com [24.24.44.117]) by mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11127 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005401c02f2a$3f269940$752c1818@rochester.rr.com> From: "David VFR Thompson" To: References: <200010052300.e95N0fn27824@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: ok...ok...final reminder Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:13:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Laura wrote: Ok, Ok, because I refuse to be called a wimp by anyone but myself...My unprepared-for-riding-in-cold-weather ass will be there this Saturday! You all better be there too!!! ----------------------------------- Assuming you havea full face helmet, a pair of nice warm gloves & room for thick socks in your riding boots, Emergency cold weather riding gear can be had via layers: thermal underwear next to the skin, cotton/silk turtle neck top, fleece top & bottom next, then normal riding gear, then the rain suit (you do have one?). This will suffice down to about 40F. Have fun - I've got my own ride in S-E Pa, expected high ~50F. Route: 180 miles of Pa's finest twisties, all within commuting distance from Philadelphia. David "RoutemeiSTer" Thompson Dthomps1@XXXXXX http://home.rochester.rr.com/backroads/ Rochester NY Age 62 Retired Xeroid AMA# 504560 STOC# 840 Current STable 90 Suzuki DR350S 91 Honda ST1100 94 Honda VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 22:13:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.quixnet.net (psmtp6.array3.laserlink.net [63.65.123.56] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e962CtB01032 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computer (1Cust22.tnt1.lorton.va.da.uu.net [63.23.102.22]) by smtp6.quixnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA23308 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001601c02f3c$2ee6e140$51550f3f@computer> Reply-To: "Kevin Bechtel" From: "Kevin Bechtel" To: References: <200010052300.e95N0fn27824@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/05/00 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:21:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > What if they're on a Harley? They can't let go long enough to wave back.... it's self preservation ----- Original Message ----- From: The dc-cycles list administrator To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:00 PM Subject: dc-cycles digest for 10/05/00 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > From: MJordan666@XXXXXX > Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:08:39 EDT > Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > In a message dated 10/4/2000 14:14:50 Eastern Daylight Time, > lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > > > Ok, call me a wuss, but the high on Saturday is only going to be 54.. > > OK, you're a wuss, but what does this have to do with cold weather? Just > think, you're finally going to be able to comfortably wear proper protective > clothing!! > > One of the larger rides that we've had formed up at the Middleburg Exxon one > morning with the mercury in the mid-30s. Each arriving rider was more amazed > than the last that anyone else showed up. > > Michael J. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Originating-IP: [209.70.39.9] > From: "Perry Coleman" > To: lgranato@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... > Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:21:45 EDT > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 00:21:45.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E33D1B0:01C02E62] > > Laura, > > OK. You're a wuss! ;^) > > But seriously, 50's isn't all that cold and you can prepare for it without > wearing so many layers that you can't move. The key is to use electrics. I > realize that you probably can't do it before the weekend, but you might want > to consider electric clothing, at least a vest, if you want to greatly > extend your riding season. > > I got an electric vest a few years ago. The only question I had after the > first wearing, on a cold January commute from Gaithersburg to DC, was: "Why > did I wait so long to get one of these?" > > I found that I could remove the lining from my Kilimanjaro coat and be > comfortable with just the vest under it, down to about freezing. I also had > the matching pants (now I have the HG Boost pants) which help as well. Hands > and feet can be a problem, but can be addressed with electrics as well. I > personally find that by keeping my torso warm, the rest of me stays pretty > warm, even on extended rides in the freezing range. Of course, long johns, > wool socks and turtle necks are useful as well. > > I know that others on the list have good experiences with electric clothing > that they'd love to share with you. Just wait... ;^) > > Regards, > > Perry > > >From: LAURA GRANATO > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RR3 and cold weather.... > >Date: 4 Oct 2000 11:13:08 -0700 > > > >Ok, call me a wuss, but the high on Saturday is only going to be 54...to > >ride or not to ride????? > > > >LAG > > > > > >________________________________________________ > >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > >http://www.peoplepc.com > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sent: 5 Oct 2000 01:12:19 GMT > From: "Laura Granato" > To: , > Cc: > Subject: Re: WashPost Article > Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:12:51 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > They managed to print > > my wife and my names correctly in the paper version of the picture > caption, > > and mysteriously brutilized both in the online version. But what can you > > do. > > Hmmm...sounds like they need better editors...hint, hint... :-) > > Laura > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sent: 5 Oct 2000 01:31:51 GMT > From: "Laura Granato" > To: > Subject: ok...ok...final reminder > Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:32:24 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > Ok, Ok, because I refuse to be called a wimp by anyone but myself...My > unprepared-for-riding-in-cold-weather ass will be there this Saturday! You > all better be there too!!! > > So, last reminder > > Who: All of you! > What: Relaxed Ride 3 > When: This Saturday, 10 am > Where: Sheetz at corner of 55 and 15 > Why: Because we love riding, even in the cold weather > How: well, hopefully you know this already... > > See you then... > Laura "the non-cold-weather-lovin" Granato :-) > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 06:30:29 -0400 > From: Dave Yates > X-Accept-Language: en > CC: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" > Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... > > Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > > > All right, enough tomfoolery and excessive jocularity ;) Of course, my > > parents responded to my initial desire to ride a motorcycle with "That's > > poppycock!". > > Cedric > > WHOA there, CB... This is a Family List !!!! > > > > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 08:08:17 -0400 > From: Dave Yates > X-Accept-Language: en > To: DC-Cycles , Ninja List > Subject: Broke 50K miles > > I broke 50,000 miles on AM(tm) quietly in traffic 2 days ago... > this got me to thinking, how does AM(tm) stack up against the other > vehicles I've owned - > - Owned AM(tm) for 7 1/2 years, longest of any of my vehicles > - actually put 35k miles on her myself 3rd most of my vehicles. > - definitely THE MOST trouble free vehicle I've EVER owned.* > - DEFINITELY the coolest vehicle I've ever owned. > - easiest to maintain, clean & wash. > - Most economical vehicle I've owned. > - ABSOLUTELY the quickest, fastest vehicle I've owned... > > * Ok, ok, so the motor's been apart more than all my other vehicle's > combined ;-), that was my doing & choice, it's not like there were any > problems. > > so let's see, been driving now for almost 16 years, and in that time, > I've owned 1 truck, 2 SUV's, 2 motorcycles, and 10 cars[5 were POS > cars]... > > I'd say the Ninja has paid for itself in years of enjoyment ! > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 06:26:07 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... > To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > One of the larger rides that we've had formed up at the > > Middleburg Exxon one > > morning with the mercury in the mid-30s. Each arriving > > rider was more amazed > > than the last that anyone else showed up. > > was this in '97? the tips of a couple of my fingers are > still numb from that one..... > > the female turnout on that ride was especially high, if i > remember correctly > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: MJordan666@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:37:48 EDT > Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > In a message dated 10/5/2000 09:27:58 Eastern Daylight Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > was this in '97? the tips of a couple of my fingers are > > still numb from that one..... > > > > the female turnout on that ride was especially high, if i > > remember correctly > > Ayuh - I do believe that was the time frame - can't remember if Anita or > Linda put it together. > > I also remember Jeanette taking her jacket off in the McD's in Purcellville a > year or so back and bitching about the cold. As I further remember, she was > wearing a sweater under her jacket that came down to slightly below her > shoulders - haven't seen that much bare skin at a motorcycle related event > since Daytona ;-) > > What price, fashion? > > Michael J. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 09:47:04 -0400 > To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Jeannette Zell > Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... > > Oh, GAWD, I will NEVER live that down! : ( > ...and no, it came well below my shoulders! A few inches below my boobs, > if I recall correctly! ; ) > Collin reminds me of it too many times for me to forget! LOL > I just wish I still had that stomach! ; ) > Ah, the days of being single... ; ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > >Ayuh - I do believe that was the time frame - can't remember if Anita or > >Linda put it together. > > > >I also remember Jeanette taking her jacket off in the McD's in Purcellville a > >year or so back and bitching about the cold. As I further remember, she was > >wearing a sweater under her jacket that came down to slightly below her > >shoulders - haven't seen that much bare skin at a motorcycle related event > >since Daytona ;-) > > > >What price, fashion? > > > >Michael J. > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 09:56:54 -0400 > From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" > Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University > X-Accept-Language: en > To: Laura Granato , > "D.C.Cycles-L" > Subject: Re: ok...ok...final reminder > > > > Laura Granato wrote: > > > > > > > > Laura "the non-cold-weather-lovin" Granato. > > In my effort to make riding season longer by staving off the chilly temps, > I went with a Polartec 200 fleece pullover that I wear under my Joe Rocket > Ballistic Jacket. > > http://www.polartec.com/ > > Polartec gear is quite warm, without all the bulk. I got mine at the Eddie > Bauer store in Marley Station Mall for $60.00. I saw the same thing in a Lands > End Catalog for $47.50. (Charley Brown voice- On. "Aaaarrrrgggghhhhh!!!) > > http://www.landsend.com > > My next step will be Electric's of course. I think I'd like to ride for > most of the year. > > Steven C. Di Pietro > Assistant National Director > Suzuki Owners Club USA > http://www.soc-usa.org > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Christopher Weaver" > To: > Subject: The World Needs More Women Like This > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:09:48 -0700 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > Check out Katja Poensgen: > http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcracing/katja.html > http://www.katja-poensgen.de/engl/index.htm > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Kurt B. Kightly" > To: > Subject: Electric gloves > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:09:28 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > > > Can anyone recommend a brand of heated gloves? My Connie has pigtails from > the electrical system, so I can just plug them in. > > Thanks, K2 > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:20:38 EDT > Subject: Re: The World Needs More Women Like This > To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > In a message dated 10/5/00 10:10:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > chris.weaver@XXXXXX writes: > > > heck out Katja Poensgen: > > http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcracing/katja.html > > http://www.katja-poensgen.de/engl/index.htm > > And she's even cooler standing next to Kevin Schwanz in the Laguna Seca > paddock at the SBK round signing posters and letting people have their pics > taken with her. > > ::BIG GRIN:: > > - Roach > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:27:40 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Louis F. Caplan" > Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... > To: Jeannette Zell , MJordan666@XXXXXX, > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Heck, I still remember that day you and Tom met at Leon's Circles event [at > least I think that was the first time you met...]. At the restaurant you guys > were showing off your piercings... After Tom lifted up his shirt to show his > nipple piercing, I'm sure a few folks were wondering if you were going to one > up him... (wasn't to be though...) ;-) > > Louis > > --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > > Oh, GAWD, I will NEVER live that down! : ( > > ...and no, it came well below my shoulders! A few inches below my boobs, > > if I recall correctly! ; ) > > Collin reminds me of it too many times for me to forget! LOL > > I just wish I still had that stomach! ; ) > > Ah, the days of being single... ; ) > > > > - Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:36:02 -0400 > To: "Louis F. Caplan" , MJordan666@XXXXXX, > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Jeannette Zell > Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... > > LOL, mine was a much more "demure" navel ring. ; ) > That was the first day we met, you have a good memory! > Think I might've been wearing that same sweater, even! ; ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > At 07:27 AM 10/5/00 -0700, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > >Heck, I still remember that day you and Tom met at Leon's Circles event [at > >least I think that was the first time you met...]. At the restaurant you guys > >were showing off your piercings... After Tom lifted up his shirt to show his > >nipple piercing, I'm sure a few folks were wondering if you were going to one > >up him... (wasn't to be though...) ;-) > > > >Louis > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:44:07 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Sean Jordan > Subject: Fast Lane sale > > --============_-1241365447==_ma============ > > Just a plug. They've been real good to me this year. Go by, spend some money. > > FAST LANE CYCLES, specializing in high performance tuning and > products, would like to inform you that they are having their End of > Season Sale. This is a great opportunity to stock up early for > Christmas. Take up to 30% off all leathers and helmets in stock and > 20% off all special order leathers and helmets. Everything else in > the store is 15% off. Mention this ad and receive free shipping. > Hurry, offer expires on October 31, 2000. (703) 818-8890. > www.fastlanecycles.com 4215-R Walney Road, Chantilly, VA 20151. > > -- > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the > skillful defiance of it." > -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) > > Sean Jordan > '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) > '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) > WERA Novice #230 > > Sponsors: > Fast Lane Cycles > Chantilly, Va > http://fastlanecycles.com/ > > Phoenix Comics & Toys > Herndon, Va > --============_-1241365447==_ma============ > > > Fast Lane sale >
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FAST LANE CYCLES, > specializing in high performance tuning and products, would like to > inform you that they are having their End of Season Sale.  This > is a great opportunity to stock up early for Christmas.  Take up > to 30% off all leathers and helmets in stock and 20% off all special > order leathers and helmets.  Everything else in the store is 15% > off.  Mention this ad and receive free shipping.  Hurry, > offer expires on October 31, 2000.  (703) 818-8890.  > www.fastlanecycles.com  4215-R Walney Road, Chantilly, VA > 20151.
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> > > --============_-1241365447==_ma============-- > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Christopher Weaver" > To: > Subject: Recent Postings Web Page > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:47:50 -0700 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > Can someone here please send me the link to the page that someone set up > that has the latest 20 or so postings to the list? (I'm not referring to the > archive on dc-cycles.org) I'm hoping to include something like that on the > new DCcycles site and I don't have that link anymore. > > Thanks, > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Thomas_Zell" > To: "Louis F. Caplan" , , > , "Jeannette Zell" > Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:30:06 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 > > LOL.... ahhh.... mammories, er uh, memories... ;-) > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeannette Zell" > To: "Louis F. Caplan" ; ; > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:36 AM > Subject: Re: RR3 and cold weather.... > > > > LOL, mine was a much more "demure" navel ring. ; ) > > That was the first day we met, you have a good memory! > > Think I might've been wearing that same sweater, even! ; ) > > > > - Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > At 07:27 AM 10/5/00 -0700, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > >Heck, I still remember that day you and Tom met at Leon's Circles event > [at > > >least I think that was the first time you met...]. At the restaurant you > guys > > >were showing off your piercings... After Tom lifted up his shirt to show > his > > >nipple piercing, I'm sure a few folks were wondering if you were going to > one > > >up him... (wasn't to be though...) ;-) > > > > > >Louis > > > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul A. Wilson" > To: "dc cycles" > Subject: Re: WashPost Article > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:29:53 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > Nice piece, Erik. As for Chuck's comments below, I think the > Harley/non-Harley dichotomy is a little overblown, if the wave index is any > guide. I wave at just about anything with an engine and two wheels. There > are plenty of aloof sportbike riders that don't give me the time of day, > more so than the Harley riders. Maybe the sportbike riders can't wave > because their wrists and elbows hurt too much from supporting their upper > bodies, I don't know. ;) I went up to York bike night last Friday. Once > you hit the Pa. border it was practically a nonstop wave all the way into > York and that was a 95% Harley event. > > Paul A. Wilson > Washington DC > 1991 CB750 > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 4:14 PM > Subject: RE: WashPost Article > > > > Chuck, you sound like one of my old professors in asking what conclusions > > I'm drawing from my report! .. > > As a non-Harley rider (rice burner GSXR750), everything > > you wrote rings basically true with my own experiences. I've had Harley > > riders wave back to me, but mostly not. And only a few Harley riders > > who seem to want to talk and socialize. But by and large, I have the > > sense that there is this great divide between those who ride Harleys and > > those who don't. Your article just seems to reinforce that. > > > > Chuck > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:49:21 -0400 (EDT) > From: Morris Berman > To: Christopher Weaver > cc: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Recent Postings Web Page > > The link is > http://www.min.net/~berman/morris/lists/dccycles/ > It's generated by a combination of Mhonarc and procmail running on my > ISP. If you want to implement it on the web server drop me a line and I > can try to help you get it implemented so that the DC-Cycles web site > could be self sufficient. > > -Mb > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX > '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Christopher Weaver wrote: > > > Can someone here please send me the link to the page that someone set up > > that has the latest 20 or so postings to the list? (I'm not referring to the > > archive on dc-cycles.org) I'm hoping to include something like that on the > > new DCcycles site and I don't have that link anymore. > > > > Thanks, > > Chris Weaver > > '98 VTR 1000 > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:55:27 -0400 > From: Dave Yates > X-Accept-Language: en > CC: dc cycles > Subject: Re: WashPost Article > > "Paul A. Wilson" wrote: > ...I think the > > Harley/non-Harley dichotomy is a little overblown, if the wave index is any > > guide. I wave at just about anything with an engine and two wheels. There > > are plenty of aloof sportbike riders that don't give me the time of day, > > more so than the Harley riders. > > is it time, again for the semi annual 'wave' thread ? :-) > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: eschelzig@XXXXXX > To: pawilson@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: WashPost Article > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:09:19 -0400 > > My problem isn't with aloofness. I know that I've missed bikes, or even > couldn't wave because I needed both hands on the bar at that moment. My > problem is more with riders who directly look at you, and then consciously > do not return the wave. And my experience has been that these are, to a > large degree, Harley riders. I realize that not all Harley riders do this. > We've got some engaging Harley riders on this very list. And my experience, > while *on* the Harley, was that just about all Harley riders would return > the wave. > > Does this keep me up at night? Of course not. But as a consequence of some > Harley riders being rude in their non-wave return, I don't even bother to > wave to any Harley riders anymore. And that would probably include some > riders who would actually wave back. That's all I was trying to say. > > Bests, > > Erik > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul A. Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:30 AM > To: dc cycles > Subject: Re: WashPost Article > > > Nice piece, Erik. As for Chuck's comments below, I think the > Harley/non-Harley dichotomy is a little overblown, if the wave index is any > guide. I wave at just about anything with an engine and two wheels. There > are plenty of aloof sportbike riders that don't give me the time of day, > more so than the Harley riders. Maybe the sportbike riders can't wave > because their wrists and elbows hurt too much from supporting their upper > bodies, I don't know. ;) I went up to York bike night last Friday. Once > you hit the Pa. border it was practically a nonstop wave all the way into > York and that was a 95% Harley event. > > Paul A. Wilson > Washington DC > 1991 CB750 > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 4:14 PM > Subject: RE: WashPost Article > > > > Chuck, you sound like one of my old professors in asking what conclusions > > I'm drawing from my report! .. > > As a non-Harley rider (rice burner GSXR750), everything > > you wrote rings basically true with my own experiences. I've had Harley > > riders wave back to me, but mostly not. And only a few Harley riders > > who seem to want to talk and socialize. But by and large, I have the > > sense that there is this great divide between those who ride Harleys and > > those who don't. Your article just seems to reinforce that. > > > > Chuck > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:15:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > Subject: Re: Fast Lane sale > To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > i just called them and asked about the sale (after getting > a price on some tires)....the guy says "do you have the > sale flyer?" > > what do you suggest we do, sean? perhaps you should call > rick and tell him you turned 200+ people on to his sale, > but they don't have flyers..... :) > > > > --- Sean Jordan wrote: > > Just a plug. They've been real good to me this year. Go > > by, spend some money. > > > > FAST LANE CYCLES, specializing in high performance tuning > > and > > products, would like to inform you that they are having > > their End of > > Season Sale. This is a great opportunity to stock up > > early for > > Christmas. Take up to 30% off all leathers and helmets > > in stock and > > 20% off all special order leathers and helmets. > > Everything else in > > the store is 15% off. Mention this ad and receive free > > shipping. > > Hurry, offer expires on October 31, 2000. (703) > > 818-8890. > > www.fastlanecycles.com 4215-R Walney Road, Chantilly, VA > > 20151. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:19:25 EDT > Subject: Re: WashPost Article > To: eschelzig@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Eh... the truth is that most Harley Riders aren't snubbing you... they just > can't take one hand off the bars and ride at the same time... > > =) > > -Roach > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:21:33 -0400 > From: Dave Yates > X-Accept-Language: en > To: Tom Gimer > CC: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Fast Lane sale > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > i just called them and asked about the sale (after getting > > a price on some tires)....the guy says "do you have the > > sale flyer?" > > > > what do you suggest we do, sean? > > Well, you could ask for 'Eric, the singing counter guy' :-) - > seriously... he should know what it's about... > > > perhaps you should call > > rick and tell him you turned 200+ people on to his sale, > > but they don't have flyers..... :) > > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:23:47 -0400 > From: Dave Yates > X-Accept-Language: en > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: WashPost Article > > BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Eh... the truth is that most Harley Riders aren't snubbing you... they just > > can't take one hand off the bars and ride at the same time... > > Yup, it is time for the 'wave' thread ;-) > > what's the consensus, you see a rider on the other side of a divided > highway ; should you wave ? > What if they're on a Harley? What if you can't tell ? > > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul A. Wilson" > To: "dc cycles" > Subject: Re: WashPost Article > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:48:04 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > Well, I'll just keep scanning for those single headlights and keep > waving at everyone, whether they like it or not. :) > > Actually your article whetted my appetite for renting a Harley. Maybe out > West next summer. > > Paul A. Wilson > Washington DC > 1991 CB750 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > > My problem isn't with aloofness. I know that I've missed bikes, or even > > couldn't wave because I needed both hands on the bar at that moment. My > > problem is more with riders who directly look at you, and then consciously > > do not return the wave. .. > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Michiko Oishi" > To: "Paul A. Wilson" , > "dc cycles" > Subject: RE: WashPost Article > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:28:55 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > I agree!!! > > Michiko > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul A. Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:48 AM > To: dc cycles > Subject: Re: WashPost Article > > > Well, I'll just keep scanning for those single headlights and keep > waving at everyone, whether they like it or not. :) > > Actually your article whetted my appetite for renting a Harley. Maybe out > West next summer. > > Paul A. Wilson > Washington DC > 1991 CB750 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > > My problem isn't with aloofness. I know that I've missed bikes, or even > > couldn't wave because I needed both hands on the bar at that moment. My > > problem is more with riders who directly look at you, and then consciously > > do not return the wave. .. > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 13:25:08 -0400 > From: Dale Horstman > Subject: Re: WashPost Article > To: Dave Yates > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > X-Accept-Language: en > > Dave Yates wrote: > > > what's the consensus, you see a rider on the other side of a divided > > highway ; should you wave ? > > Should I? Probably not. I'd be safer conentrating on traffic going > in my direction. But I wave anyway. > > > What if they're on a Harley? What if you can't tell ? > > A lot of times I can't tell if it's a Harley or clone, but I can usually > determine cruiser vs tourer vs sport-tourer vs standard vs sportbike > vs scooter vs moped. Not that it matters, I wave at anything with > a motor and two-wheels. By the time I figure out make/model, it's > too late to wave. > > Was in my car this morning (before my commute to work on the bike) > dropping the kid off at the babysitters. Saw a bike coming the other > way. Went to wave (it's almost a reflex now), smacked my fingers on > the window. D'oh! I hope he didn't see me.... :) > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > the.horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: 5 Oct 2000 10:27:24 -0700 > X-Sent: 5 Oct 2000 17:27:24 GMT > Content-Disposition: inline > To: sdave@XXXXXX > From: LAURA GRANATO > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: WashPost Article > > On Thu, 05 October 2000, Dave Yates wrote: > > what's the consensus, you see a rider on the other side of a divided > > highway ; should you wave ? > > What if they're on a Harley? What if you can't tell ? > > > > It depends if you're an ass or not :-) I wave no matter what...if they don't wave back, well...they're the meanies in my book. > > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: eschelzig@XXXXXX > To: pawilson@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: WashPost Article / Harley Rental > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:24:54 -0400 > > The nice thing about this particular rental place is that there is no daily > mileage restriction. Some rental places, like some in West Virginia say you > can only go 150 miles a day. So in this case, whether you rent the bike for > a week only to commute to work, or if you take it on an Iron Butt tour, > doesn't make a lick of a difference in the final accounting. > > One problem that was cut out of my article is with the "loss damage waiver." > This is an optional additional daily expense of $29 or so dollars. If you > don't get it, you are responsible for the entire value of the bike, should > you break or lose it. But even if you *do* but the extra coverage, there is > still a $2,000 deductible in case of something happening to the bike. I > found this pretty disquieting. Having a bike stolen sucks badly enough. > Having to pay two grand on top of that would be even worse! > > The people at American Road Collection argue that they must keep the > deductible so high for insurance reasons, and I have no reason not to > believe them. Bike rentals are fairly uncommon, so I believe that insurance > companies are wary. But it still is no joy to be on the hook like that > should something happen. AMC recommends checking with your own bike > insurance to see whether you might be covered when renting bikes. > > By next Spring, the shop here in Fairfax (as well as other Harley Authorized > Rental places) will have 2001 models of bikes which should be fun, too. AMC > branches in Florida are already sporting some 2001 models. Which brings me > to another point: the nice thing about AMC is that you can make one-way > rentals, dropping off the bike at any of their five locations in > Massachusetts, Florida, and of course here in Fairfax. > > Bests, > > Erik > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul A. Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 12:48 PM > To: dc cycles > Subject: Re: WashPost Article > > > Well, I'll just keep scanning for those single headlights and keep > waving at everyone, whether they like it or not. :) > > Actually your article whetted my appetite for renting a Harley. Maybe out > West next summer. > > Paul A. Wilson > Washington DC > 1991 CB750 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > > My problem isn't with aloofness. I know that I've missed bikes, or even > > couldn't wave because I needed both hands on the bar at that moment. My > > problem is more with riders who directly look at you, and then consciously > > do not return the wave. .. > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Smith, Steven" > To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > Subject: Hawg Riders and Picking on Jerry > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:36:41 -0400 > > I don't expect any waves from the cruiser crowd, but I am pleased when they > manage it. You see, since a lot of those old boys only get 600 or so miles > under their wheels each year, they're unwilling to relinquish their grip on > the bars out of fear of the result. Try to have a little sympathy. Wave > first and just imagine you received a reciprocal twitch. > > I would like to say a few words in defense of Triumph of America, in which I > own absolutely no stock nor with which any relatives are employed. A lister > recently mentioned the name of Jerry Parrish while bashing customer service. > The statements this person made were wholly inconsistent with what I know > about Jerry, with whom I have had several conversations and e-mail > exchanges, as well as a warranty issue. According to the lister, beside > replacing his blown engine Triumph made a goodwill offer consistent with his > request for bodywork, but he didn't consider it adequate. Equally, the tone > of the statements seemed a trifle hostile -- especially the part about > hiring a lawyer. For those of you who don't know him, Jerry Parrish is an > intelligent and considerate person, and he is also the ONLY customer > relations person supporting all of the US and Canada. I'm not making > excuses for the adequacy of Triumph CR, rather I am satisfied that Jerry > works harder than any CR rep I've ever dealt with to keep people happy with > their decision to purchase a Triumph. > > Unfortunately, when some folks get unhappy they resort to unreasonable > demands, make threats, can't be bothered to give others a chance to work the > system, and don't ask for help politely. It would be nice if the world > worked to satisfy our every want. Most of us have tried to develop the > equanimity necessary to overcome the frequent disappointments of life > without unnecessarily taking our frustrations out on others. Seems to work > pretty well. After all, the only variable in this equation we have any > control over is ourselves. > > Crash > AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 > 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 13:39:12 -0400 > From: Dave Yates > X-Accept-Language: en > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: WashPost Article / Harley Rental > > eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > The nice thing about this particular rental place is that there is no daily > > mileage restriction. Some rental places, like some in West Virginia say you > > can only go 150 miles a day. So in this case, whether you rent the bike for > > a week only to commute to work, or if you take it on an Iron Butt tour, > > doesn't make a lick of a difference in the final accounting. > > Very cool. > > > One problem that was cut out of my article is with the "loss damage waiver." > > This is an optional additional daily expense of $29 or so dollars. If you > > don't get it, you are responsible for the entire value of the bike, should > > you break or lose it. But even if you *do* but the extra coverage, there is > > still a $2,000 deductible in case of something happening to the bike. > > Very Uncool. > > > I found this pretty disquieting. Having a bike stolen sucks badly enough. > > Having to pay two grand on top of that would be even worse! > > In the pre historic words of Wilma Flintstone CHAAAAARGE IT ! Amex (I > think), & a couple Platinum Visa/MC offer LDW coverage when you charge > the rental. As advised by Erik ; check 1st so you don't find out the > hard way... > > > > By next Spring, the shop here in Fairfax (as well as other Harley Authorized > > Rental places) will have 2001 models of bikes which should be fun, too. AMC > > branches in Florida are already sporting some 2001 models. Which brings me > > to another point: the nice thing about AMC is that you can make one-way > > rentals, dropping off the bike at any of their five locations in > > Massachusetts, Florida, and of course here in Fairfax. > > Even More Cool :-) > > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: eschelzig@XXXXXX > To: sdave@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: WashPost Article / Harley Rental > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:49:52 -0400 > > Erik said: > > > I found this pretty disquieting. Having a bike stolen sucks badly enough. > > Having to pay two grand on top of that would be even worse! > > To which Dave Yates responded: > > |In the pre historic words of Wilma Flintstone CHAAAAARGE IT ! Amex (I > |think), & a couple Platinum Visa/MC offer LDW coverage when you charge > |the rental. As advised by Erik ; check 1st so you don't find out the > |hard way... > > > Ah -- but check the fine print of your credit card coverage: it usually > only applies to cars. Not trucks, not sport utility vehicles, and most > certainly not to motorcycles. Your coverage may vary, but I'd wager (not > very much, mind you) that bikes aren't covered. If they are, tell me what > card you're using and I'll sing up! > > Bests, > > Erik > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 13:58:15 -0400 > From: Dave Yates > X-Accept-Language: en > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: WashPost Article / Harley Rental > > eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > I found this pretty disquieting. Having a bike stolen sucks badly enough. > > > Having to pay two grand on top of that would be even worse! > > > > To which Dave Yates responded: > > > > |In the pre historic words of Wilma Flintstone CHAAAAARGE IT ! Amex (I > > |think), & a couple Platinum Visa/MC offer LDW coverage when you charge > > |the rental. As advised by Erik ; check 1st so you don't find out the > > |hard way... > > > And then, Erik advised: > > > > Ah -- but check the fine print of your credit card coverage: it usually > > only applies to cars. Not trucks, not sport utility vehicles, and most > > certainly not to motorcycles. > > Figures. I was thinking that may be the case, but maybe they'd be > willing to cover it if asked... > > > Your coverage may vary, but I'd wager (not > > very much, mind you) that bikes aren't covered. If they are, tell me what > > card you're using and I'll sing up! > > Might be worth it to hear that :-) > > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:22:11 -0700 (PDT) > From: Kristina Rogish > Subject: Re: Parking ticket in Old Town > To: Dave Yates > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Never mind that a block away there are two bikes with > covers that are never ticketed, parked 90 degrees to the > curb. > > > > How 'bout some pictures for the courtroom... > > I went out to my bike the day that I was moving... all the > bikes in the apartment complex park next to each other at > the end of the road, power in numbers and whatnot. > Sometimes a car parks too far front, so we end up spilling > over the little painted yellow line, but still on the curb. > Since I was moving (and therefore riding around), my cover > was off... went out to pickup lunch for my friends helping > me move and saw a ticket... i figured it was gonna be for > not having a county sticker, which I had actually just > gotten a few days before and not stuck on yet. Turns out > it was a ticket for being parked in the fire lane. I was > pissed... tore up the ticket. There were at least 3-4 > other bikes with covers on them parked in the fire lane > also, but since mine had no cover, they were able to stick > the ticket under the front of my seat. Grrrrr. i should > go back and take pics and fight it... I will be pissed if I > have to pay it. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:41:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Kristina Rogish > Subject: Re: ok...ok...final reminder > To: Laura Granato , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > OK... I think I'm in.... I NEED DIRECTIONS TO THE SHEETZ! > Anyone care to give me some from the Beltway? I'm living > near Landmark now. I could also be persuaded to meet up > with a group for the ride to the Sheetz beforehand at a > place where we can have HOT coffee! > -Kristina > 703-212-7545 > > --- Laura Granato wrote: > > Ok, Ok, because I refuse to be called a wimp by anyone > > but myself...My > > unprepared-for-riding-in-cold-weather ass will be there > > this Saturday! You > > all better be there too!!! > > > > So, last reminder > > > > Who: All of you! > > What: Relaxed Ride 3 > > When: This Saturday, 10 am > > Where: Sheetz at corner of 55 and 15 > > Why: Because we love riding, even in the cold weather > > How: well, hopefully you know this already... > > > > See you then... > > Laura "the non-cold-weather-lovin" Granato :-) > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:39:23 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > Subject: RE: WashPost Article / Harley Rental > To: eschelzig@XXXXXX, sdave@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > --- eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > > Erik said: > > > > > I found this pretty disquieting. Having a bike stolen > > sucks badly enough. > > > Having to pay two grand on top of that would be even > > worse! > > > > To which Dave Yates responded: > > > > |In the pre historic words of Wilma Flintstone CHAAAAARGE > > IT ! Amex (I > > |think), & a couple Platinum Visa/MC offer LDW coverage > > when you charge > > |the rental. As advised by Erik ; check 1st so you don't > > find out the > > |hard way... > > > > > > Ah -- but check the fine print of your credit card > > coverage: it usually > > only applies to cars. Not trucks, not sport utility > > vehicles, and most > > certainly not to motorcycles. Your coverage may vary, > > but I'd wager (not > > very much, mind you) that bikes aren't covered. If they > > are, tell me what > > card you're using and I'll sing up! > > i don't know about the credit card issue, but check your > motorcycle policy and it may have an endorsement which > redefines 'car' to include 2-wheeled vehicles and the > policy may define 'non-owned car' as a rented car. my > state farm policy thus includes coverage for rented > 2-wheeled vehicles. > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: MJordan666@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:46:14 EDT > Subject: Directions to Sheetz (from Beltway) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > In a message dated 10/5/2000 14:32:02 Eastern Daylight Time, > krogish@XXXXXX writes: > > > OK... I think I'm in.... I NEED DIRECTIONS TO THE SHEETZ! > > Piece of pie - > > Beltway to I-66 West > Exit #40 (Route 15) - approximately 25 miles from Beltway > South on 15 > Sheetz is on your left - about 1/4 mile from I-66 > > As they say in the business - "Ya can't miss it" > > Michael J. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:50:46 -0700 (PDT) > From: Leon Begeman > Subject: Re: Electric gloves > To: "Kurt B. Kightly" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > I use Widder, I've heard good things about Gerbings as > well. Widder gloves are 6 volts, they must be wired > in series to work correctly. Gerbings gloves are 12v, > they draw slightly more power and are somewhat warmer > as a result. > > I also keep a nylon rain cover over my electric gloves > at all times, it makes them warmer and protects them > from the weather so they don't wear out so soon. > > Leon. > --- "Kurt B. Kightly" wrote: > > > > > > Can anyone recommend a brand of heated gloves? My > > Connie has pigtails from > > the electrical system, so I can just plug them in. > > > > Thanks, K2 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:50:31 -0400 > From: Dave Yates > X-Accept-Language: en > CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > Subject: Re: Hawg Riders and Picking on Jerry > > "Smith, Steven" wrote: > > > > I don't expect any waves from the cruiser crowd, but I am pleased when they > > manage it. You see, since a lot of those old boys only get 600 or so miles > > under their wheels each year, they're unwilling to relinquish their grip on > > the bars out of fear of the result. Try to have a little sympathy. Wave > > first and just imagine you received a reciprocal twitch. > > Why don't cagers wave ? > > > I would like to say a few words in defense of Triumph of America, in which I > > own absolutely no stock nor with which any relatives are employed. A lister > > That would be Paresh... > > > recently mentioned the name of Jerry Parrish while bashing customer service. > > In his defense, his trip was interrupted by a warranty covered failure, > and it's taken Triumph QUITE a long time to (not yet) resolve this. > While Triumph agreed to repair the motor, I didn't hear they offered to > get him where he was going, and his riding season is pretty much over... > > > The statements this person made were wholly inconsistent with what I know > > about Jerry, with whom I have had several conversations and e-mail > > exchanges, as well as a warranty issue. According to the lister, beside > > replacing his blown engine Triumph made a goodwill offer consistent with his > > request for bodywork, but he didn't consider it adequate. > > Legally, they're only obligated to repair the motor. As a matter of > principle, I would think they could have incurred some expense like > maybe, leasing him a ride for a week or until fixed maybe ? or a loaner > to get him home ? He was hundreds of miles from home... > > > Equally, the tone > > of the statements seemed a trifle hostile -- especially the part about > > hiring a lawyer. > > OTOH, the tone of the alleged Triumph response, seems a bit... > weak... Having had a lemon, & having, seperately missed a large portion > of the riding season once, I can tell you from personal experience, the > stress, frustration, anger & feeling of being cheated is quite > overwhelming. That said, I did mail Paresh & try to convey some opinion > to him from my previous experiences... > > > For those of you who don't know him, Jerry Parrish is an > > intelligent and considerate person, and he is also the ONLY customer > > relations person supporting all of the US and Canada. I'm not making > > excuses for the adequacy of Triumph CR, rather I am satisfied that Jerry > > works harder than any CR rep I've ever dealt with to keep people happy with > > their decision to purchase a Triumph. > > Alas, it seemed to me that Paresh was having trouble getting work out > of the *dealer*... JP could be Santa Claus, but the dealer seemed > pretty unmotivated to help in this instance... allegedly... > > > > > Unfortunately, when some folks get unhappy they resort to unreasonable > > demands, make threats, can't be bothered to give others a chance to work the > > system, and don't ask for help politely. It would be nice if the world > > worked to satisfy our every want. Most of us have tried to develop the > > equanimity necessary to overcome the frequent disappointments > > A lunched motor under warranty, be it cage, bike, scooter, whatever is > a tad more than a 'disappointment', rather, if you're using for > transportation, it could be several hundred dollars worth of > impediment... Remember, Paresh is still paying on that bike while it's > sitting there in that shop, probably collecting dust while it waits on a > $6.00 part that some $5.00 / hour counter clerk forgot to order 6 weeks > ago... or maybe not, who knows... My point is, our lister is PO'd at > Triumph, and at least part of his rant is certainly valid. > > > of life without unnecessarily taking our frustrations out on others. Seems to work > > pretty well. After all, the only variable in this equation we have any > > control over is ourselves. > > Very true. Thanks for the tip on Jerry though, it's nice to know the > name of a potential ally. > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul A. Wilson" > To: "dc cycles" > Subject: Re: WashPost Article / Harley Rental > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:44:45 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > I had that problem with a cage once. We rented a car and my wife promptly > backed it into a dumpster, incurring $600 in damage to the body work. We > had waived the CDW and if we had charged it on Card A instead of Charge B, > as we did it, our deductible would have been covered. There is more fine > print in most of those card policies, however. First you must report it to > your auto insurance carrier and make a claim for whatever they will cover. > The credit card will only pay what your insurance company doesn't, i.e. they > only pay for your uninsured loss. I imagine most if not all credit cards do > not cover bikes and that most bike insurance policies do not cover rentals. > A friend of mine in the rental car business says that CDW is a real cash cow > for the industry and that most people, if they have auto insurance, don't > need it, because what they are doing is buying a high priced insurance > policy on their deductible. In most cases you SHOULD buy the CDW for > renting anything but an auto or if you do not own a car and therefore have > no insurance. That goes for trucks especially. They are pointedly not > covered on auto policies and I'd hate to be on the hook for totaling a > moving truck. > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but the rental company is usually covered in full > on their own insurance for theft and other comprehensive losses. The renter > is only responsible for collision in most of those rental contracts, > although I must confess I've never read the fine print. > > I guess you take your chances with the deductible on the Harley rental, > unless you can get a special rider on your bike policy to cover the rental > for the period you have it. > > Paul A. Wilson > Washington DC > 1991 CB750 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave Yates > > > eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > I found this pretty disquieting. Having a bike stolen sucks badly > enough. > > > > Having to pay two grand on top of that would be even worse! > > > > > > To which Dave Yates responded: > > > > > > |In the pre historic words of Wilma Flintstone CHAAAAARGE IT ! Amex (I > > > |think), & a couple Platinum Visa/MC offer LDW coverage when you charge > > > |the rental. As advised by Erik ; check 1st so you don't find out the > > > |hard way... > > > > > And then, Erik advised: > > > > > > Ah -- but check the fine print of your credit card coverage: it usually > > > only applies to cars. Not trucks, not sport utility vehicles, and most > > > certainly not to motorcycles. > > > > Figures. I was thinking that may be the case, but maybe they'd be > > willing to cover it if asked... > > > > > Your coverage may vary, but I'd wager (not > > > very much, mind you) that bikes aren't covered. If they are, tell me > what > > > card you're using and I'll sing up! > > > > Might be worth it to hear that :-) > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: MJordan666@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:14:34 EDT > Subject: Re: Hawg Riders and Picking on Jerry > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > In a message dated 10/5/2000 14:52:44 Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX > writes: > > > Why don't cagers wave ? > > They used to - my Grandfather would always wave at an approaching Nash. > > I guess the progression (over time) is: > > 1. Wave at everyone > 2. Wave at people driving/riding what I'm driving/riding > 3. Ignore everyone > 4. Resume waving, using only selected parts of the hand (typically either one > finger or no fingers) > > Michael J. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:21:27 -0400 > From: Dale Horstman > Subject: Re: Hawg Riders and Picking on Jerry > To: MJordan666@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > X-Accept-Language: en > > MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > In a message dated 10/5/2000 14:52:44 Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX > > writes: > > > > > Why don't cagers wave ? > > > > They used to - my Grandfather would always wave at an approaching Nash. > > I had a friend in college who drove a Saab. Always waved at other > Saabs, most times they waved back. I thought it was cool. Shame > the car was so dorky-looking and glitch-prone. :) > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > the.horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:30:15 -0400 > From: Dave Yates > X-Accept-Language: en > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Hawg Riders and Picking on Jerry > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > > Why don't cagers wave ? > > > > > > They used to - my Grandfather would always wave at an approaching Nash. > > > > I had a friend in college who drove a Saab. Always waved at other > > Saabs, most times they waved back. I thought it was cool. Shame > > the car was so dorky-looking and glitch-prone. :) > > they were commiserating... > > > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: MJordan666@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:39:37 EDT > Subject: Re: Hawg Riders and Picking on Jerry > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > In a message dated 10/5/2000 15:32:16 Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX > writes: > > > > I had a friend in college who drove a Saab. Always waved at other > > > Saabs, most times they waved back. I thought it was cool. Shame > > > the car was so dorky-looking and glitch-prone. :) > > > > they were commiserating... > > > > A real saab story, no doubt... > > Michael J. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul A. Wilson" > To: "dc cycles" > Subject: Re: Parking ticket in Old Town > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:25:31 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > Kristina, I don't know if the selective enforcement argument would get you > very far in this case, since you would be admitting to being parked in the > fire lane. Better to argue that signs are missing, illegible or ambiguous, > couldn't see the faded yellow line because a covered bike was parked on top > of it, etc., something that can be backed up with photographic proof. Being > singled out is annoying, but it would have more force if you could argue > discrimination based on some kind of vehicle profiling. If you and a bunch > of cars were parked illegally and they only ticketed your bike, you might be > onto something. > > > Paul A. Wilson > Washington DC > 1991 CB750 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kristina Rogish > To: Dave Yates > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 2:22 PM > Subject: Re: Parking ticket in Old Town > > > > > Never mind that a block away there are two bikes with > > covers that are never ticketed, parked 90 degrees to the > > curb. > > > > > > How 'bout some pictures for the courtroom... > > > > I went out to my bike the day that I was moving... all the > > bikes in the apartment complex park next to each other at > > the end of the road, power in numbers and whatnot. > > Sometimes a car parks too far front, so we end up spilling > > over the little painted yellow line, but still on the curb. > > Since I was moving (and therefore riding around), my cover > > was off... went out to pickup lunch for my friends helping > > me move and saw a ticket... i figured it was gonna be for > > not having a county sticker, which I had actually just > > gotten a few days before and not stuck on yet. Turns out > > it was a ticket for being parked in the fire lane. I was > > pissed... tore up the ticket. There were at least 3-4 > > other bikes with covers on them parked in the fire lane > > also, but since mine had no cover, they were able to stick > > the ticket under the front of my seat. Grrrrr. i should > > go back and take pics and fight it... I will be pissed if I > > have to pay it. > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul A. Wilson" > To: "dc cycles" > Subject: Re: Hawg Riders and Picking on Jerry > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:13:02 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > I grew up in a very rural area in Ohio. There it is was considered bad form > not to wave at people you'd see along the road: farmers on tractors, folks > tending their gardens, etc., whether you knew them or not. Of course they'd > look to see what was coming because on some of those roads a passing vehicle > was a major event. Oncoming vehicles got a perfunctory two or three fingers > lifted off the wheel (never one! that meant something far less friendly). > To make this work, the preferred hand position on the wheel was the left > hand at 12 o'clock. > > When I'm on the bike, I still wave at kids in passing cars if they're > looking my direction. They seem to get a kick out of it and they probably > think either "that's cool" or alternately, if they're jaded and over age > ten, "what a dork". > > Paul A. Wilson > Washington DC > 1991 CB750 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: Hawg Riders and Picking on Jerry > > > > In a message dated 10/5/2000 14:52:44 Eastern Daylight Time, > sdave@XXXXXX > > writes: > > > > > Why don't cagers wave ? > > > > They used to - my Grandfather would always wave at an approaching Nash. > > > > I guess the progression (over time) is: > > > > 1. Wave at everyone > > 2. Wave at people driving/riding what I'm driving/riding > > 3. Ignore everyone > > 4. Resume waving, using only selected parts of the hand (typically either > one > > finger or no fingers) > > > > Michael J. > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:32:11 -0400 > From: vulgar_power > X-Accept-Language: en > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: To wave or not to wave (was Re: WashPost Article) > > > > Dale Horseman wrote: > > > Dave Yates wrote: > > > > > what's the consensus, you see a rider on the other side of a divided > > > highway ; should you wave ? > > > > Should I? Probably not. I'd be safer conentrating on traffic going > > in my direction. But I wave anyway. > > Same here. Except when leaving a light (shifting), or other things that > absolutely require 2 hands. At those times and friendly nod (wazzup! lol) > suffices. > > > > > > > > What if they're on a Harley? What if you can't tell ? > > > > A lot of times I can't tell if it's a Harley or clone, but I can usually > > determine cruiser vs tourer vs sport-tourer vs standard vs sportbike > > vs scooter vs moped. Not that it matters, I wave at anything with > > a motor and two-wheels. By the time I figure out make/model, it's > > too late to wave. > > All makes/models/riders get my wave. I think of it as they're out there on 2 > wheels too, that's good enough in my book. At least they are trying the > experience that motorcycling is, right? > > > > > > > Was in my car this morning (before my commute to work on the bike) > > dropping the kid off at the babysitters. Saw a bike coming the other > > way. Went to wave (it's almost a reflex now), smacked my fingers on > > the window. D'oh! I hope he didn't see me.... :) > > Try to do it often, mostly get glares tho. Hmmm, there has to be a way to > identify bikers who are caging it, other than the fact that they use turn signals, > and actually LOOK before changing lanes. > > -j > '00 ACE CD > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:20:55 -0700 (PDT) > From: Hugh Caldwell > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: To wave or not to wave (was Re: WashPost Article) > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, vulgar_power wrote: > > > Try to do it often, mostly get glares tho. Hmmm, there has to be a way to > > identify bikers who are caging it, other than the fact that they use turn signals, > > and actually LOOK before changing lanes. > > > My car had a "Motorcycles are everywhere. Check > twice save a life" bumper sticker from ABATE. Bikes would > often wave as they passed me. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Reply-To: "James Reazor" > From: "James Reazor" > To: > Subject: Re: Hawg Riders and Picking on Jerry > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:57:36 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > > > Why don't cagers wave ? > > > > They used to - my Grandfather would always wave at an approaching Nash. > > I drive a Jeep Wrangler, those of us who actually remember what the CJ-8 > was still wave but many younger drivers don't. God I feel old. The thing is, > Waving is so instinctive that I find my self waving to bikes from the Jeep > and Jeeps from the bike. > > James > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sent: 5 Oct 2000 22:52:14 GMT > From: "Laura Granato" > To: > Subject: I WANT YOU BAD!!!! > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:52:49 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > ok, did *that* get everyones attention? :-) The Web site is almost > finished, but we're missing some critical information. This web site is for > all of us, so it would be nice to get some more information from you all. > Thank you so much to all of you who have already submitted stuff. > > We need bios! We need photos! We need ride routes! We need favorite roads! > Your favorite M/C links! Shop names, contacts, and phone numbers > > BIOS: > name > location > occupation > old bikes > current bike > favorite part about riding > anything else you want added > > RACER BIOS (and I know who you are that haven't submitted them, and I"ll > write them FOR YOU! and trust me, you don't want that) > name > bikes you ride > sponsors > how long you've been racing > championships/accomplishments > etc..... > > > RIDE ROUTES: state or states it covers, directions > > FAVORITE ROADS: this one is easy, just write down your favorite > roads...doesn't have to be a route, just a road...that way people can look > at their favorite roads and put together their own routes if they want to > > > SHOP INFO > name > contact name > phone number > address if you have it > > YOUR FAVORITE M/C LINKS OR LINKS TO YOUR WEB SITES > > Either reply to this e-mail, or e-mail it to dccwebsite@XXXXXX > > THANKS! > Laura > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sent: 5 Oct 2000 22:57:22 GMT > From: "Laura Granato" > To: > Subject: relaxed ride 3 route sheet > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:57:57 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > RELAXED RIDE 3 ROUTE > > LEAVING FROM THE SHEETZ IN HAYMARKET AT THE INTERSECTION OF 55 AND 15: > > L 55 > S X 15 > L 628/Blantyre Rd. (not the gravel one, but first left once turns to two > lanes) > L 17/Winchester Rd. - stop sign > Take 17 into Warrenton and follow signs for 17/15/29 going south (lots of > gas stations in Warrenton) > R Frost Ave./211 - traffic light > R Van Roijen St. - traffic light > L Waterloo Rd./678 - stop sign > L 647/Crest Hill Rd. - stop sign, T intersection > R 688/Leeds Manor Rd. - stop sign, 4-way intersection > L after RR tracks and sharp 10 mph curve TRO 688 > S X 55 > L Route 17 - stop sign, T intersection > L Route 50 - stop light, T intersection > R 606 > R Route 7 - stop sign, T intersection > L Business Route 7 going into Round Hill > R 719/Airmont Rd. (gas station) > L 734/Snickersville Turnpike - stop sign > R 611/St. Louis Rd. - flashing yellow light > L Route 50/John Mosby Hwy. to Middleburg - stop sign, T intersection > R 626/Plains Rd. (gas station) > R 55 - stop sign, T intersection (gas station) > S 55 into Marshall > > Lunch stop in Marshall at Joe's > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 5 23:32:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f173.hotmail.com [216.32.181.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e963WBB02596 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:32:03 -0700 Received: from 151.200.12.23 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 03:32:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.12.23] From: "Sanath S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Relaxed ride 3 - Leaving from Arlington? Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 23:32:03 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2000 03:32:03.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE7A7120:01C02F45] Anyone going to this ride from the Arlington area? Chuck, Glenn? I get lonely riding up I-66 by myself. Let me know Sanath Blue YZF600R _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 06:38:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e96AciK07229 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e96Acch9476249 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39DDAB99.36D9107D@radix.net> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 06:38:17 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I WANT YOU BAD!!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > > I almost deleted it! I get email like that every day. Of course, it's > expected when dealing with someone like myself.... Yeah, talk about disappointment [nothing personal, there LAG]... I thought it might be something from... uhh, never mind... > > Sean "Stud-master" Jordan hmm... bet Sean SM Jordan's bio will be.... interesting... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 08:37:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e96CaxK09092 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: intcache03.uu.net [153.39.7.42]) id QQjjss23262; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:36:57 GMT Received: from usashexims03.corp.us.uu.net by gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.80.15]) id QQjjss12184; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:33:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'lgranato@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Polartec Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:32:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Laura, Steve is absolutely right about Polartec. I bought some to use for skiing and now wear it for everything that involves being outside when it's cold. It comes in various weights but it's thin so it will easilty fit under your jacket. It definitely helps keep you warmer. You can buy it at just about any sporting goods store. I think I bought it at Galyans and Ski Chalet. Go get yourself some tonight!!! Polartec, that is... ;-) Sally From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 08:42:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mail.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e96CgYK09179 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gsx1100gp@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.6a.73e8114 (3869) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:42:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Gsx1100gp@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6a.73e8114.270f22b2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:42:26 EDT Subject: Fwd: LDRider: HOT Stuff for Sale- Gerbings To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_6a.73e8114.270f22b2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 --part1_6a.73e8114.270f22b2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cross posted from the LDRider list In a message dated 10/5/2000 23:50:08 Eastern Daylight Time, MikeP1977@XXXXXX writes: > All Gerbing's equipment, perfect condition, used 1x for Feb '98 ss1k, stored > in house since. Medical issues force sale: > > Selling all as a package only, WILL NOT SEPARATE: > 1- Heated Electric Pant Liner w/wiring for sox&jacket - 44watts NEW- $189. > 00 > Size 42/44- Stretch waist- Fits waist from 32-38/40 > > 1- Pair Electric Heated Sox w/wiring-connect to pantliner, 22 watts NEW= > $59.00 > > 1- Gerbing Electronic Thermostat "HEATROLLER" for above, NEW= $69.00 > > Total Package NEW = $317.00, 1st $200.00 takes it, email off list direct. > Please, terms= POSTAL MONEY ORDERS ONLY > > Mike Pecora > COG 4103/IBA > Y2kC > NE Illinois > Sub/Unsub instructions, rules etc. > are at http://www.ldriders.org/ > --part1_6a.73e8114.270f22b2_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (rly-yc05.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.37]) by air-yc04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 23:50:07 -0400 Received: from yucca.anv.net (yucca.anv.net [216.241.111.3]) by rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 23:49:43 -0400 Received: by yucca.anv.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29087 for ldrider-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-r08.mail.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by yucca.anv.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29081 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:49:29 -0700 (PDT) From: MikeP1977@XXXXXX Received: from MikeP1977@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id g.af.16ec6cb (4364); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:43:44 EDT Subject: LDRider: HOT Stuff for Sale- Gerbings To: ldrider@XXXXXX, ldrider-digest@XXXXXX, cog@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Sender: owner-ldrider@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk Reply-To: MikeP1977@XXXXXX All Gerbing's equipment, perfect condition, used 1x for Feb '98 ss1k, stored in house since. Medical issues force sale: Selling all as a package only, WILL NOT SEPARATE: 1- Heated Electric Pant Liner w/wiring for sox&jacket - 44watts NEW- $189.00 Size 42/44- Stretch waist- Fits waist from 32-38/40 1- Pair Electric Heated Sox w/wiring-connect to pantliner, 22 watts NEW= $59.00 1- Gerbing Electronic Thermostat "HEATROLLER" for above, NEW= $69.00 Total Package NEW = $317.00, 1st $200.00 takes it, email off list direct. Please, terms= POSTAL MONEY ORDERS ONLY Mike Pecora COG 4103/IBA Y2kC NE Illinois Sub/Unsub instructions, rules etc. are at http://www.ldriders.org/ --part1_6a.73e8114.270f22b2_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 09:12:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h002.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e96DC8K09681 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 22100 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2000 06:12:00 -0700 Date: 6 Oct 2000 06:12:00 -0700 Message-ID: <20001006131200.22099.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 6 Oct 2000 13:12:00 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 06 Oct 2000 06:11:59 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: swood@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: Polartec > > Go get yourself some tonight!!! I'll definitely try! for the Polartec, that is. :-) Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 09:13:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e96DDjK09691 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 4958 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2000 06:13:38 -0700 Date: 6 Oct 2000 06:13:38 -0700 Message-ID: <20001006131338.4957.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 6 Oct 2000 13:13:38 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 06 Oct 2000 06:13:38 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sdave@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: I WANT YOU BAD!!!! > Yeah, talk about disappointment [nothing personal, there LAG]... I see how it is Dave...trying to hide our online romance! lol! Forget you then! Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 09:22:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e96DM3K09879 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e96DM0h8345291 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39DDD1E3.197D1F5C@radix.net> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 09:21:39 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I WANT YOU BAD!!!! References: <20001006131338.4957.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > Yeah, talk about disappointment [nothing personal, there LAG]... > > I see how it is Dave...trying to hide our online romance! lol! Forget you then! D A M N ! It's a heckuva good thing that TOWMBO is not a biker & doesn't(I don't think so anyway) subscribe to DC cycles, or there would be some serious china flyin' tonight at the homestead.... I just couldn't hang with hearin' my name shouted out over & over & over again ! ;-) > > Laura > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 09:33:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h011.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e96DXkK10031 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 26079 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2000 06:33:39 -0700 Date: 6 Oct 2000 06:33:39 -0700 Message-ID: <20001006133339.26078.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 6 Oct 2000 13:33:39 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 06 Oct 2000 06:33:38 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sdave@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: I WANT YOU BAD!!!! > > D A M N ! It's a heckuva good thing that TOWMBO is not a biker & > doesn't(I don't think so anyway) subscribe to DC cycles, or there would > be some serious china flyin' tonight at the homestead.... > I just couldn't hang with hearin' my name shouted out over & over & > over again ! ;-) > location with the family for an undisclosed time> LOL...all in good fun, Dave...you should know that by now... L ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 09:38:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e96Dc2K10128 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e96Dbvh9369133 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39DDD59F.F3854804@radix.net> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 09:37:35 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I WANT YOU BAD!!!! References: <20001006133339.26078.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > > > D A M N ! It's a heckuva good thing that TOWMBO is not a biker & > > doesn't(I don't think so anyway) subscribe to DC cycles, or there would > > be some serious china flyin' tonight at the homestead.... > > I just couldn't hang with hearin' my name shouted out over & over & > > over again ! ;-) > > > location with the family for an undisclosed time> > > LOL...all in good fun, Dave...you should know that by now... L Dave who ? He left ! out of town ! -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 10:55:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h011.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e96EtTK11394 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 10:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 27855 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2000 07:55:22 -0700 Date: 6 Oct 2000 07:55:22 -0700 Message-ID: <20001006145522.27854.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 6 Oct 2000 14:55:22 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 06 Oct 2000 07:55:22 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: My new love Michelle Kaston is a total *$@#!. Why you ask? Because she just called to tell me she ordered a new SV650S! agggg! I took a look at that bike on the site, and I'm in love...and, of course, she *had* to order the blue one...Damn her! Michelle...I'm not speaking to you anymore. :-) lol. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 11:15:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail ([207.199.140.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e96FFIK11780 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from softbicycle.com (138.238.141.74) by mail with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.10.18 AS-0098310) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:15:15 -0400 Message-ID: <39DDED74.FE49D899@softbicycle.com> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 11:19:16 -0400 From: M Brodie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: Rockville Starbucks & B&N This Sunday Dammit!!! References: <200010052300.e95N0fn27824@dirty.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okely Dokely, It appears that Sunday will be a brisk 50 something degrees, perfect riding weather (during sunlight at least). I will probably be on the backroads of Northern MD all morning, but then to warm up, I will be at the Barnes & Noble chillin' with the latest copy ocf cycle world and a cup of Joe. If you are in the area, feel free to stop by and claim this spot as biker territory, by parking out front. the other day I stopped by and saw a non-lister's 97 VFR there. I asked him if he was on the list and he said "huh?" it was pretty funny cuz I thought he was one of you. Well, anyway, I look forward to seeing at least one rider on Sunday. Peace Out!................>Winterman http://www.winternett.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 11:40:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f105.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.105]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e96FeMK12122 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:39:53 -0700 Received: from 172.171.107.44 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 15:39:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [172.171.107.44] From: "Rob Keiser" To: lgranato@XXXXXX, swood@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Polartec Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 11:39:53 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2000 15:39:53.0494 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABD1CB60:01C02FAB] In my best Austin Powers accent: "Oh, Behave!!!! Yeah, Baby, Yeah!!!!" ;) Rob >From: LAURA GRANATO >To: swood@XXXXXX >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Polartec >Date: 6 Oct 2000 06:12:00 -0700 > > > > > Go get yourself some tonight!!! > >I'll definitely try! for the Polartec, that is. :-) > >Laura > > >________________________________________________ >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >http://www.peoplepc.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 12:26:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e96GQIK12825 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4G1NRLBW>; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:26:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Paresh Isn't the Bad Guy Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:26:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message-----From: Dave Yates----- > In his defense, his trip was interrupted by a warranty covered failure, > and it's taken Triumph QUITE a long time to (not yet) resolve this. > While Triumph agreed to repair the motor, I didn't hear they offered to > get him where he was going, and his riding season is pretty much over... I fully understand Paresh's complaint. I wouldn't be any too happy in his situation either. However, as you point out below, the problem is really the dealer he's working with. > Legally, they're only obligated to repair the motor. As a matter of > principle, I would think they could have incurred some expense like > maybe, leasing him a ride for a week or until fixed maybe ? or a loaner > to get him home ? He was hundreds of miles from home... Triumph CR is articulated through the dealer network. That's why finding an outstanding authorized shop is so important. Unfortunately, the unexpectedly fast growth the company has experienced has made for some teething problems. > OTOH, the tone of the alleged Triumph response, seems a bit... > weak... Having had a lemon, & having, seperately missed a large portion > of the riding season once, I can tell you from personal experience, the > stress, frustration, anger & feeling of being cheated is quite > overwhelming. That said, I did mail Paresh & try to convey some opinion > to him from my previous experiences... > Alas, it seemed to me that Paresh was having trouble getting work out > of the *dealer*... JP could be Santa Claus, but the dealer seemed > pretty unmotivated to help in this instance... allegedly... This is usually the crux of a CR disaster. The willingness and competence of the dealers in handling these problems determines the outcome -- almost always. > A lunched motor under warranty, be it cage, bike, scooter, whatever is > a tad more than a 'disappointment', rather, if you're using for > transportation, it could be several hundred dollars worth of > impediment... Remember, Paresh is still paying on that bike while it's > sitting there in that shop, probably collecting dust while it waits on a > $6.00 part that some $5.00 / hour counter clerk forgot to order 6 weeks > ago... or maybe not, who knows... My point is, our lister is PO'd at > Triumph, and at least part of his rant is certainly valid. Agreed. Paresh has my sympathy. I only wanted to point out that Triumph CR operations being what they are at this point in time, bombing Jerry Parrish was probably inappropriate but understandable since he is THE personification of the company in these cases. Sorry for the delay in my response, Dave. I'm on digest. Crash AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 12:29:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail ([207.199.140.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e96GTNK12899 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from softbicycle.com (138.238.141.74) by mail with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.10.18 AS-0098310) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:29:00 -0400 Message-ID: <39DDFEBE.876C656D@softbicycle.com> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:33:02 -0400 From: M Brodie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Rob Keiser , vfr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks & B&N This Sunday Dammit!!! References: <200010052300.e95N0fn27824@dirty.meretrix.com> <39DDED74.FE49D899@softbicycle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about not giving a time, I will probably be there around 4pm, before my evening ride. (Subject to change without notice) M Brodie wrote: > Okely Dokely, > > It appears that Sunday will be a brisk 50 something degrees, perfect riding weather (during sunlight at least). I will probably be > on the backroads of Northern MD all morning, but then to warm up, I will be at the Barnes & Noble chillin' with the latest copy ocf > cycle world and a cup of Joe. If you are in the area, feel free to stop by and claim this spot as biker territory, by parking out > front. the other day I stopped by and saw a non-lister's 97 VFR there. I asked him if he was on the list and he said "huh?" it was > pretty funny cuz I thought he was one of you. Well, anyway, I look forward to seeing at least one rider on Sunday. Peace > Out!................>Winterman > > http://www.winternett.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 13:01:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e96H1dK13523 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 21245 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2000 10:01:32 -0700 Date: 6 Oct 2000 10:01:32 -0700 Message-ID: <20001006170132.21244.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 6 Oct 2000 17:01:32 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 06 Oct 2000 10:01:32 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Oct. 18th!!! The day you have all been waiting for, our new DC Cycles Web page will be launched for all to see. Chris and I are frantically working out the bugs, writing copy and working with the information you all have sent us so it will be ready. Hope you all are as excited about this as we are! :-) Laura and Chris ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 13:27:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e96HRfK13934 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:27:24 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F77FF08@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Electrics & WashPost Article Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:27:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Electric gloves: Gerbing gloves have been highly praised by those who owned Widders FWIW, Gerbing may be at Heysers auction and Fall sale tomorrow, selling at a discount. If you see an old pharte on crutches stumbling around looking for bargains, say "Hi Carl" rain cover: Ditto what Leon said. An over mitt is handy for any glove. I have a pair of ORs from REI. They keep your gloves dry all year, fold up small, and aid hand warmth in the winter. If you can't go the price of gloves, then grip heaters are great. I have the ones Aerostich used to sell that velcroed over the grip. After 3 years, they still work well but I did resolder the crimped connections (corrosion). Dunno about the ones they sell now; dunno if the ones I have are sold anywhere. Waving: My experience has been that most Harley riders wave. But Rubbies and dumbasses don't. Might have something to do with ignorance. Steven Smith said, " . . . You see, since a lot of those old boys only get 600 or so miles under their wheels each year, they're unwilling to relinquish their grip on the bars out of fear of the result. Try to have a little sympathy. Wave first and just imagine you received a reciprocal twitch." Yes, that and I've noticed in the non-helmet States, e.g. Ohio - Ilinois, that bare-headed riders rarely wave. They seem to be numb from the wind noise and just trying to hang on. Personally, if I have a free hand, I wave at all two wheelers, yes even mopeds and bicyclists because it's us two-wheelers against them (& us) cagers. Carl in Bethesda A stable of real motorsickles, not driveway jewlery. 80 GS 450 E 61K mi., dead ignitor, the rest works, no offer refused 85 VF700 Sabre "Rocin-ahora" '84 VF700 Sabre "Geode" '83 VF700 Interceptor "666" From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 13:39:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e96HdnK14116 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 22269 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2000 10:39:43 -0700 Date: 6 Oct 2000 10:39:43 -0700 Message-ID: <20001006173943.22268.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 6 Oct 2000 17:39:43 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 06 Oct 2000 10:39:43 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: favor needed Is someone going to bike night that lives sort of near me that I can drop off the track day video for you to bring? Let me know as soon as you can. I'll have to bring it to you by Monday. Thanks. Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 14:02:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e96I2DK14488 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA05999 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA25399 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA06044; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:10:45 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "LAURA GRANATO" Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: La Tape! Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:58:32 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c02fbf$0a47a3a0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-reply-to: <20001006174021.22281.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Importance: Normal Can you give a copy to Mark Kitchel for Bike Night? Or should I mail him one? > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 1:40 PM > To: fj1100@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: La Tape! > > > On Fri, 06 October 2000, "Gary Foreman" wrote: > > > > > I sent a tape to Bryan Roach. Not sure if he is going though > (or if he'll > > have it by then). > > Brian and I will be at the GNF, that's why we won't be at bike > night. ;-) he'll appreciate the tape. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 1:34 PM > > > To: fj1100@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: La Tape! > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 06 October 2000, "Gary Foreman" wrote: > > > > > > Mark never wrote me back...let me see who else I can drop it off > > > with. I'll let you know. L > > > > > > > > Will you be able to get a tape to someone for Bike Night? I > > > have another > > > > being sent to you tomorrow. > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 17:06:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e96L6DK17320 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001006210546.EKOL18064.ewey.excite.com@prickles> for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:05:46 -0700 Message-ID: <29512235.970866346190.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:05:46 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RR3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 Just a quick note to everybody who's going on the ride tomorrow A) dress warm; and B) don't be in a hurry, 'cuz I'm leadin' the the other half of the riders and Brian Roach I'm not ;^). Anyway, it's a great route, if your dressed properly, otherwise you end up like Laura the engine-hugger. And to think I thought she was just trying to improve her wind resistance. ;^) . o 0(Laura, we're not really going fast enough for that......) _______________________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you. James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 17:18:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e96LISK17497 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001006211808.EMQG18064.ewey.excite.com@prickles> for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:18:08 -0700 Message-ID: <20692277.970867088419.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:18:08 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: =8^0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 Can you say *scarey*? http://www.motorcyclenews.com/NEWS/NEWS.asp?page=Earlier+News&passeddate=06/10&id=1144&index=0 _______________________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you. James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 18:13:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e96MDRK18369 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001006221317.27847.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.86.250] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 15:13:17 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:13:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Wavin' and Ridin' & BIKETOBERFEST To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Harley snobs not waving? NO NO NO! The majority of the crew that ride with ARE HARLEY RIDERS! Please don't take offense if they do not wave back at you. It's very difficult to ride and wave without SPILLING your BEER.... -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS BTW - I'm heading to Florida next Wednesday for 10 days of riding in Florida on the scooter.. I'm hitting Daytona, Ft Lauderdale, Miami, Key Largo, Key West..and returning to Daytona for Biketoberfest and the CCS races. Harleys, Harlets, Sun (hopefully), & Fun. ....and another thing...3 words - REPEALED HELMET LAW! OH YEAH!!! (supporting the American RIGHT to be ignorant.) If anyone is heading down and wants to hook up with my crew and me. Send me an email off list and I'll get you my cell number. (PHONE!, that is..damn it!) Oh yeah..we'll be at Fells Point Festival this Saturday too. --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Eh... the truth is that most Harley Riders aren't > snubbing you... they just > can't take one hand off the bars and ride at the > same time... > > =) > > -Roach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 18:28:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e96MS5K18596 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23493 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2000 15:27:57 -0700 Received: from 1Cust141.tnt4.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.21.88.141) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 6 Oct 2000 15:27:57 -0700 X-Sent: 6 Oct 2000 22:27:57 GMT Message-ID: <005101c02fe4$c4d95400$8d58153f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "James Hoofnagle" , References: <29512235.970866346190.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Subject: Re: RR3 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:28:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Anyway, it's a great route, if your > dressed properly, otherwise you end up like Laura the engine-hugger. I was just giving it some love so it would run better. :-) And to > think I thought she was just trying to improve her wind resistance. ;^) . o > 0(Laura, we're not really going fast enough for that......) we can fix that if you'd like... ;-) See you tomorrow. L > _______________________ > They can't hit you, > if they can't catch you. > > James > E-TKT > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 18:40:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e96Me0K18769 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 14051 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2000 15:39:52 -0700 Received: from 1Cust141.tnt4.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.21.88.141) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 6 Oct 2000 15:39:52 -0700 X-Sent: 6 Oct 2000 22:39:52 GMT Message-ID: <00df01c02fe6$6f2122c0$8d58153f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "James Hoofnagle" , References: <20692277.970867088419.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Subject: Re: =8^0 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:40:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Can you say *scarey*? I'm drooling over here...DAMN! > > > http://www.motorcyclenews.com/NEWS/NEWS.asp?page=Earlier+News&passeddate=06/ 10&id=1144&index=0 > _______________________ > They can't hit you, > if they can't catch you. > > James > E-TKT > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 6 19:07:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e96N7UK19273 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001006230726.DHZZ28639.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:07:26 -0700 Message-ID: <010001c02fea$1c635ae0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <20001006145522.27854.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: My new love Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:06:50 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Laura, Hit the included link. It's not the S version but what the hell. Ya can't win if ya don't play. http://promo.sweepstakesonline.com/mcw/entryform.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "LAURA GRANATO" To: Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 10:55 AM Subject: My new love > Michelle Kaston is a total *$@#!. Why you ask? Because she just called to tell me she ordered a new SV650S! agggg! I took a look at that bike on the site, and I'm in love...and, of course, she *had* to order the blue one...Damn her! > > Michelle...I'm not speaking to you anymore. :-) lol. > > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 7 08:32:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e97CWsK06512 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Sat Oct 7 05:32:27 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 05:32:27 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks & B&N This Sunday Dammit!!! X-Sender-Ip: 140.247.41.175 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:33:02 M Brodie wrote: >> It appears that Sunday will be a brisk 50 50 is brisk? Try up here in upper MI, or north of the lakes in Canada. I spent two solid days running EAST on highway 17 and it was 40 and below. Fog so you can't see 50 feet and heavy mist in the mountains. Mass route 2 is great for canyon carving west of I-91 but only when there's no traffic. Get behind a semi or vacationer and it's boring to say the least. Longer trip report coming when I get back to DC. Right now I'm in Boston enjoying the warm weather. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 7 08:52:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e97Cq6K06819 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Sat Oct 7 05:51:52 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 05:51:52 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: layering X-Sender-Ip: 140.247.41.175 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the following has served me well so far in my 10 day trip north and back. Highs these last couple of days has been low 50's and since I'm starting when the fog is still on the ground it's probably no higher than 40 and I ride all day and sometimes all night. long johns's (top and bottom) hunting socks (wool) turtle neck shirt (40% wool from Wallmart) another shirt (opt.) Fleece jacket with high collar (a Performance Bike item = $70) windbreaker (nylon) Perforated leather jacket (Joe Rocket - Bulldog) jeans Joe Rocket Ballistic pants Oympia leather gloves snow-glove inserts (Galyons' is where I got 'em) Big thick snow gloves cut in half (cover's figers, thumbs and palm) Aside from riding all morning down the Adriondocks through rain and mist and across Canada 2 straight days and nights (brrr) they did quite well. The moisture made me colder and numb than previously. I couldn't summon the strength in my fingers to zip my jacket sleeves. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 7 16:22:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e97KMeK13481 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Sat Oct 7 13:22:14 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 13:22:14 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: waving: was RE: WashPost Article X-Sender-Ip: 140.247.41.250 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit in Canada, it seems the response is to nod if anything. Though I did manage to get a couple of Canuk's to wave back. Tom Holton's saved my bacon. Wish we had more of them on this side of the border. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 7 16:51:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e97KpHK13920 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA10868 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA20529 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([216.174.23.183]) by smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G22V9700.R4Y for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:51:07 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Summit Point "Cycle Sport Day" Video is done. Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:50:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal If anyone is interested, the video from September 18ths Cycle Sport Day is done. Complete instructions for getting one are at: http://www.tl1000.com Gary From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 7 18:18:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e97MIFK15166 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001007221807.17392.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.191] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 15:18:07 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:18:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: relaxed ride 3 route sheet To: Laura Granato , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thank you, laura, for setting this ride up! ... i'll let someone else do a write-up (if they'd like), but even with the chilly weather this ride was quite enjoyable this 'relaxed' ride was a bit more spirited than i imagined it would be :) ... but there were no mishaps and no tickets, so no harm done. zbig and i had an excellent run down to 211, then up past elizabeth furnace after lunch....i hope everybody made it home safely it was nice to meet some more listers in person ... hopefully there will be more opportunities this year for this type of stuff thanks again --- Laura Granato wrote: > RELAXED RIDE 3 ROUTE > > LEAVING FROM THE SHEETZ IN HAYMARKET AT THE INTERSECTION > OF 55 AND 15: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 8 01:05:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9855oK21434 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23203 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2000 22:05:42 -0700 Date: 7 Oct 2000 22:05:42 -0700 Message-ID: <20001008050542.23202.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Oct 2000 05:05:42 GMT Received: from [216.112.246.154] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 07 Oct 2000 22:05:42 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: RR3 write up First, thanks to everyone for coming out today. Even thought it was cold (yes, I was cold!) I had a blast. No incidents...no mishaps...it was great. It was so nice to see more new faces out there, and we even got a few more who are going to become DC Cycles subscribers! We met at sheetz, and we did our pre-ride, and left at 10:30. James led one group, I led the other. Fred was sweeping for James' group, and Rob for mine. James' group left first, then mine. After about 10 minutes of riding, we realized that four people from my group were missing. We stopped for 20 minutes to wait for them, then the guys decided (lol!) that we should just keep going...so, we did. The ride went great...I think that this ride was probably the best-pace relaxed ride we've had so far...amazing what a track day can do! :-) Anyways...we made our first stop at a little store on 50, and I was sad to say Bo wasn't there...:-( Bo is my favorite rottie that stays at the store...anyways...I was a little cold...so I have to thank Joe for loaning me his coveralls (nobody comment on these, ok???) The rest of the ride went without a hitch. We all made it to Joe's just fine...sat down and had lunch. On the way home, James, Rob, Calvin and I decided to hop the pace a little bit out of the Plains...I look down...speedo at about 80...and wouldn't ya' know there was a cop sitting right there...the four of us consistently checking our mirrors waiting for the blue lights...NOTHING! wooohooo...guess he didn't want us. Anyways...I can speak for my group, and hopefully James will tell us about his, that it went great. A great bunch of riders and it was a ton of fun. I'm sorry to see the season end, but Tom, I agree with you...it's getting too cold for this! Thanks again to everyone who came. I especially want to thank Mr. Gimer for coming out. It was great to meet you and I hope that you found the organization of the ride satisfactory and will join us again sometime. ;-) Hope everyone had fun. :-) Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 8 02:04:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from Mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9864NK22951 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 02:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.163.112.243] ([24.163.112.243]) by Mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 02:03:56 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 02:14:09 -0400 Subject: Electircal problem From: David Cross To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20001008050542.23202.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Since the days are getting shorter I have been finding myself riding home in the dark more often. I recently noticed that the headlights tend to get brighter and dimmer on their own. This will happen a couple of time an hour. Im not sure which "setting" is correct because the dimmer one doesnt seem too dim, nor does the brighter seem too bright. While I commute to work most days, its been a good while since I rode at night so Im not sure which is correct. This happens when the high beams are on also. The battery is two months old, and right now Im running one 55/65 bulb and the other is 45/45. I think the instrument panel lights become brighter as well, but im not 100% sure of that. Im not any good with electical stuff so I was hoping that some of you would have some ideas? Thanks, Dave '94 VFR From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 8 08:01:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mail.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e98C14K28344 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 08:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.41.1ce8492 (4004) for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 08:00:52 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <41.1ce8492.2711bbf4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 08:00:52 EDT Subject: Camera mount, RR3, etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 For those of you who were interested in the camer mount that I had on yesterday's ride, the home page of the manufacturer is www.ram-mount.com. They don't sell direct - I bought mine from Cycle Gadgets (www.cyclegadgets.com) - If you buy, check them out - their service is superb. I had some concerns with the first camera mount that I received from them regarding the amount of support that it would provide. About a week later, I received an e-mail from them stating that they had received a new camera mount and asked if I would like to try one. The bottom line is that they sent the new one free with no hassles or problems (and didn't even want the old one back). Nice people. Their web site appears to be down as I write this, but hopefully they'll be back on the air soon. Laura - great ride (and it wasn't cold (once I closed my jacket vents)) - the pace was just about perfect (99.9%). I had a nice brisk charge through the countryside and never had to work at it - about a 6/10ths pace. Actually got to look at some scenery :-) Michael J. PS - the video looked better on the Sony at home than it did in Joe's. A LOT of straight up-and-down riding, and WAY too much of Zbigniew's tuchis. I have to remember to bring more tape next time, as I ran out just prior to 606 (and I REALLY wanted 606) :-( Coming Soon: Custom ride videos of you shot from the absolutely least flattering angle!!!! (especially for sport bike riders ;-)) From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 8 08:03:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mail.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e98C3eK28355 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 08:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.e3.ab78893 (4004) for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 08:03:29 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 08:03:27 EDT Subject: Lost rider To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 To the gentleman on the cruiser that was following me back to Sterling from Joe's: What happened to you? I waited for you about 100 yards down on 234, after you didn't come along, I rode back to the 15/234 intersection and you weren't anywhere to be seen? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 8 09:31:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e98DVAK29626 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17341 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2000 13:31:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20001008133107.17340.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.208.246] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 06:31:07 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 06:31:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Electircal problem To: David Cross , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is the symptoms I got before my last voltage regulator failure. I recommend you figure out a way to put a voltmeter where you can see it to confirm that you are indeed having a problem. Once you confirm it, you can see if the bright has a voltage too high (greater than 14) or if the dim is too low (less than 13) Then you can figure out what is causing the condition. Voltage that is too high is almost certainly a failing voltage regulator. Too low, could be almost anything. Leon. --- David Cross wrote: > Since the days are getting shorter I have been > finding myself riding home in > the dark more often. I recently noticed that the > headlights tend to get > brighter and dimmer on their own. This will happen > a couple of time an > hour. Im not sure which "setting" is correct > because the dimmer one doesnt > seem too dim, nor does the brighter seem too bright. > While I commute to > work most days, its been a good while since I rode > at night so Im not sure > which is correct. This happens when the high beams > are on also. The > battery is two months old, and right now Im running > one 55/65 bulb and the > other is 45/45. I think the instrument panel lights > become brighter as > well, but im not 100% sure of that. > > Im not any good with electical stuff so I was hoping > that some of you would > have some ideas? > > Thanks, > > Dave > '94 VFR > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 8 09:46:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mail.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e98Dk6K29845 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 6.ab.187a04c (4334); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:45:40 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:45:40 EDT Subject: Re: Electircal problem To: dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 104 Dave - I'd wager on it being the voltage regulator. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 8 10:16:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A5E1.pix.aol.com [152.163.165.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e98EFxK00383 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gruntled.office.aol.com (gruntled.office.aol.com [10.4.136.237]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27888 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by gruntled.office.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-DTI62-02) with ESMTP id KAA05629 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:15:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: gruntled.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:15:51 -0400 From: Dave Paper X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR3 write up In-Reply-To: <20001008050542.23202.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A big Woo Hoo goes out to Laura and James for the RR3 organization. I got 2 really good things out of it. 1) That Vulcan is a bear to whip around, but all thos twists and turns definately made me a bit of a better rider. I too, am LeanImpaired(tm), but less so after yesterday. 2) gravel. The one time I went over on my bike (last march) was because I hit a bit of gravel around a turn, so I've been REALLY leery of it ever since. Michael J. was nice enough to lead me back to 15, and in doing so managed to find a road that had a stretch of about 1000' or so of gravel to ride on. I think I got over that fear PDQ. I was in the 4 missing rider group. Even though we missed the rest of you and ended up riding pretty much straight through from 10:30 or so until we hit Joes (we were getting a bit stiff), it was awesome. Thanks to James, Rob and Chuck(the Polar Bear riding non-profit dude?) (I'm horrible with names) for good company and a great sense of direction. Thanks all. -dave P.S. Rob, where did you find the lower half of your riding suit again? "It's great right now, but hell in July" I think it's time to augment my "lower than 85 degrees riding gear". -- Dave Paper AOL Database Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs are both called "users". --Unknown From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 8 10:18:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e98EIKK00393 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001008141812.2333.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.182] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 07:18:12 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 07:18:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: RR3 write up To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Anyways...I can speak for my group, and hopefully James > will tell us about his, that it went great. A great > bunch of riders and it was a ton of fun. I'm sorry to > see the season end, but Tom, I agree with you...it's > getting too cold for this! the ride home as the sun's power was waning was especially nippy.....i was definitely thinking about an electric vest or shirt all the way home from front royal :( > Thanks again to everyone who came. I especially want to > thank Mr. Gimer for coming out. It was great to meet you > and I hope that you found the organization of the ride > satisfactory and will join us again sometime. ;-) no need to thank me....thank YOU....and i will definitely join you again the organization was impressive....good to see a real attempt to get everyone in the frame of mind required for group riding. at first i thought the hand signals were a little much....but i could see how they might be very helpful to a daydreaming groupmember. at the pace this 'relaxed' ride was ridden, it is quite possible for the group to get in some KILLER roads farther west....once you commit to doing a 200-400 mile loop, the roads get exponentially better. anybody who wants to get involved in that type of a run should drop me a line before a weekend which has a nice, warm forecast. see ya -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 8 11:54:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f198.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.198]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e98FsRK01834 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 08:54:19 -0700 Received: from 172.154.10.39 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 15:54:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [172.154.10.39] From: "Rob Keiser" To: cerberus@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR3 write up Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 11:54:19 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2000 15:54:19.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[04AABC20:01C03140] Actually, I think that was Cedric CBR600 (?, sorry, I'm bad with names, too) that said that and I'm not sure what pants he had; but the same holds true with mine. They are the bottoms of my two piece Aerostich Roadcrafter suit. http://www.aerostich.com/riderwearhouse.store Very warm, and great protection, but hot in the summer. It all goes down to the ole adage, "I'd rather sweat than bleed." Upper body was nice and toasty with the new Gerbing set up. I just wish the gloves weren't as bulky/clumsy. Hopefully they will break in nicely. Rob '98 VFR800 >P.S. Rob, where did you find the lower half of your riding suit >again? "It's great right now, but hell in July" I think it's time to >augment my "lower than 85 degrees riding gear". > >-- >Dave Paper AOL Database Operations _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 8 11:56:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from madcap.apk.net (madcap.apk.net [207.54.158.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e98FudK01847 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from junior.apk.net (junior.apk.net [207.54.158.20]) by madcap.apk.net (8.11.0/8.11.0/apk.000727+rchk1.22+bspm1.13.1.5a) with ESMTP id e98FrPH17899; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by junior.apk.net (8.11.0/8.11.0/rchk1.22) id e98FrJ908038; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:53:19 -0400 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: Tom Gimer Cc: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR3 write up Message-ID: <20001008115319.A5564@kleks.org> References: <20001008141812.2333.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <20001008141812.2333.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com>; from Tom Gimer on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 07:18:12AM -0700 * Tom Gimer (t_gimer@XXXXXX) [001008 10:20]: > at the pace this 'relaxed' ride was ridden, it is quite > possible for the group to get in some KILLER roads farther > west....once you commit to doing a 200-400 mile loop, the > roads get exponentially better. anybody who wants to get > involved in that type of a run should drop me a line before > a weekend which has a nice, warm forecast. > For the future, defining it as 'relaxed' can be confusing for less experienced and lean-impaired riders. It was 70+ on straights, and braking down to 50+ in turns. Later in the day, we changed pattern from "fast on straights, slow into turns" to "slow on straights, accelerate through turns" style. Again, maintainign stedy speed across straights and turns can be more challenging than on-off pattern. Steady pattern has some risks - it slowly makes you comfortable untill you wake up with panic and "shit- TOO fast" in some of the turns. On the other hand, I prefer as a way to increase my comfort level to set speed to something relaxed, and learn the road this way. Next time I will raise speed a noth - and so on, keeping same pace across whole road. Such approach lowers the risk of meeting with overactive LEO, and still presents enough challenge in tighter part of the road. Twosome run via 647-211-and via Elizabeth Furnace was fun. We decided to stick to almost speed limit on open roads, and stick to something like 65 all the way across 211; almost done, except for last 1/3, where we were parked behind few cages insisting on going 30-35 downhill. We stopped for a break finally at rd 55. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 8 13:00:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e98H0mK02873 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05332 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:00:45 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:00:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Electircal problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:45:40 EDT > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > To: dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Electircal problem > > > Dave - > > I'd wager on it being the voltage regulator. > Me too. Its consistant with what people on the VFR list say, and, apparently not uncommon. My 1992 VFR also does the brighter/dimmer thing. I've heard that you can replace it with a later model OEM R/R or an after market. Search the VFR list archives for recommendations. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 8 14:26:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e98IQdK04534 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 14:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 27249 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2000 11:26:30 -0700 Received: from 1Cust56.tnt15.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.38.134.56) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 11:26:30 -0700 X-Sent: 8 Oct 2000 18:26:30 GMT Message-ID: <003801c03155$60dab120$3886263f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , "Tom Gimer" Cc: References: <20001008141812.2333.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> <20001008115319.A5564@kleks.org> Subject: Re: RR3 write up Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 14:27:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > For the future, defining it as 'relaxed' can be confusing for less > experienced and lean-impaired riders. It was 70+ on straights, and > braking down to 50+ in turns. I definitely agree with this point. These rides started out with my experience as a rider of three months or so, so the pace started off much slower, as my riding experience has improved, so has my pace. Also, you chose James' group, which at the beginning of the ride was defined as the faster of the two groups. ;-) This relaxed ride was in no way a "spirited ride" as many of the spirited riders can attest to. I think that next year I may graduate to leading a Medium-paced group and let someone else take over the relaxed rides. But all in all, I still hope you enjoyed yourself. Laura From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 8 14:29:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e98ITtK04608 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 7336 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2000 11:29:46 -0700 Received: from 1Cust56.tnt15.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.38.134.56) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 11:29:46 -0700 X-Sent: 8 Oct 2000 18:29:46 GMT Message-ID: <005301c03155$d5c347e0$3886263f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Tom Gimer" , References: <20001008141812.2333.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RR3 write up Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 14:30:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > Thanks again to everyone who came. I especially want to > > thank Mr. Gimer for coming out. It was great to meet you > > and I hope that you found the organization of the ride > > satisfactory and will join us again sometime. ;-) > > no need to thank me....thank YOU....and i will definitely > join you again > > the organization was impressive....good to see a real > attempt to get everyone in the frame of mind required for > group riding. glad to hear it! I will take this as a sincere compliment! :-) at first i thought the hand signals were a > little much....but i could see how they might be very > helpful to a daydreaming groupmember. or a newbie...always best to make sure everyone knows what's going on. We had a lot of riders out yesterday that I hadn't had on a group ride and just wanted to make sure everyone knew what was going on. > at the pace this 'relaxed' ride was ridden, it is quite > possible for the group to get in some KILLER roads farther > west....once you commit to doing a 200-400 mile loop, the > roads get exponentially better. anybody who wants to get > involved in that type of a run should drop me a line before > a weekend which has a nice, warm forecast I would absolutely love to organize a longer ride next year, and would love if you'd help plan those roads. And if there is another warm day this year...I'd love to try some. I'm sure some other listers would too. LAG From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 8 16:46:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from madcap.apk.net (madcap.apk.net [207.54.158.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e98KkwK06966 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from junior.apk.net (junior.apk.net [207.54.158.20]) by madcap.apk.net (8.11.0/8.11.0/apk.000727+rchk1.22+bspm1.13.1.5a) with ESMTP id e98KhdH08169; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by junior.apk.net (8.11.0/8.11.0/rchk1.22) id e98KhY804257; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:43:33 -0400 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: Laura Granato Cc: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RR3 write up Message-ID: <20001008164333.A3079@kleks.org> References: <20001008141812.2333.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> <20001008115319.A5564@kleks.org> <003801c03155$60dab120$3886263f@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <003801c03155$60dab120$3886263f@oemcomputer>; from Laura Granato on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 02:27:10PM -0400 * Laura Granato (lgranato@XXXXXX) [001008 14:32]: > > For the future, defining it as 'relaxed' can be confusing for less > > experienced and lean-impaired riders. It was 70+ on straights, and > > braking down to 50+ in turns. > > I definitely agree with this point. These rides started out with my > experience as a rider of three months or so, so the pace started off much > slower, as my riding experience has improved, so has my pace. Also, you > chose James' group, which at the beginning of the ride was defined as the > faster of the two groups. ;-) > > This relaxed ride was in no way a "spirited ride" as many of the spirited Hm... Laura, the main point I was making is that on many so-called "spirited" rides we will be significantly slower on open straights; especially on the roads known to be frequented by LEO. We will be quicker _and_ accelereate through turns, to slow again on straights. After riding in such manner for majority of last 1.5 years, I was surprised to find that roll-on/brake cycle requires more in terms of attention and energy, while steady speed/accelereate through turns and then let it go, helps me to coverl ong distances without too much effort. > Laura _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 09:08:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99D8uK27769 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com (vna-va17-15.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.207]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02847 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E1C460.BE8EBE46@pti.com> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 09:13:04 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc cycles Subject: Chain help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Help I'm finaly getting around to put on the 520 conversion kit for my fizzer and after putting the sprockets on, have come to realize that the master link that come with the kit is the rivit kind. The problem is I don't have the tool I need to press it on. Is there anyone in the area that has one that I could use. I live in gainesville just down the street from the commonly use sheetz starting point. I can pick it up today and have it back to you by night fall. Thanks all Nelson From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 09:46:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e99DkIK28630 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001009134611.8552.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.211] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 06:46:11 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 06:46:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Chain help To: Nelson Fernandez , dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'd let you borrow mine (the manual screw-in unit)....but i live in potomac, md. my friend craig johnston has a fancy-dancy unit....he's in leesburg. i'm sure he'd let you borrow his after work (maybe he's even off today)....try peggrinder@XXXXXX or a900rrmofo@XXXXXX --- Nelson Fernandez wrote: > Help > > I'm finaly getting around to put on the 520 conversion > kit for my fizzer > and after putting the sprockets on, have come to realize > that the master > link that come with the kit is the rivit kind. The > problem is I don't > have the tool I need to press it on. Is there anyone in > the area that > has one that I could use. I live in gainesville just > down the street > from the commonly use sheetz starting point. I can pick > it up today and > have it back to you by night fall. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 10:03:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e99E38K28943 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 10105 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2000 07:03:01 -0700 Date: 9 Oct 2000 07:03:01 -0700 Message-ID: <20001009140301.10104.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 9 Oct 2000 14:03:01 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 09 Oct 2000 07:03:01 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: don't miss me I'm temporarily unsubscribing starting tomorrow while I'm away for the week at the GNF. I'll be back next Tuesday with a full report. I hope everyone gets a chance to wish our DC Cycles racers (Brian, Fred, and Randy...hope I didn't forget anyone!) good luck! I'll make sure I take lots of pictures for the Web site. Talk to you all next week! :-) L ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 10:28:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99ESKK29309 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ashimr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ashimr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQjkeb28649 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:28:18 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by ashimr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjkeb19863 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:28:09 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:28:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Race vs. Street tires revisited Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Interesting article from Interactive Motorcyclist regarding Michelin Pilots, comparing and contrasting both their race tire and street tire. http://www.activebike.org/index/features/michelin/michelin.htm -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 10:45:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cdzmdimsout.circleserve.net ([205.229.56.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99Ej5K29637 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cdzmdimsout.circleserve.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:45:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Granato, Laura" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: HELP NEEDED! Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:38:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I need your help for a friend. If you were on the first relaxed ride, the one that went through Maryland and Virginia and ended up in DC, please reply to this e-mail and let me know. Thanks! Laura Director of Editing Circle.com 1600 International Drive McLean VA 22102 703.288.7421 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 10:49:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99EnWK29750 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05292 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:49:24 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001009104843.00bd9710@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 10:49:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: don't miss me In-Reply-To: <20001009140301.10104.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:03 AM 10/9/2000 , LAURA GRANATO wrote: >I hope everyone gets a chance to wish our DC Cycles racers (Brian, Fred, >and Randy...hope I didn't forget anyone!) good luck! I'll make sure I >take lots of pictures for the Web site. ...and I have the house keys.....PARTY AT LAURA'S! Hope she unsubbed already ;-) ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 10:54:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99EsLK29841 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001009145414.TIFV18064.ewey.excite.com@prickles> for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 07:54:14 -0700 Message-ID: <25895649.971103254194.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 07:54:14 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE:RR3 write up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 Thanks to everybody who showed up! It was a great crowd with a good range of experience. Also thanks to Zbig & Tom for the critiques. It was my first time leading a ride, so I had a bunch things to learn. First is; keep a better eye on your sweep guy, so you don't lead the group through a school parking lot unnecessarily (oops). Two, the fact that I had riders behind me that *I* knew were much more skilled than myself, I was riding faster than I should have been trying to keep it interesting for them. Zbig, your point of medium speed in the straights, accelerating through the turns is exactly correct. After all anybody can go fast in a line, it's in the turn were the art is. Three, know your route better, it's embarassing when the riders behind you have to tell that it was a left *not* a right that you were supposed to take back there. Tom, maybe the hand signals were a bit much, I was just trying to be thorough. There were some other details, but they had more to do with my riding skills than leading, so I'll skip those. As far as a longer route, I'm all about it! There's one I've been looking to do that goes out 55 turns south in west-by-gawd, back east at 33 then north east back to DC. Probably a good one for the spring, I think it's close to 400 miles, but I'm not sure. Anyway, that's it for now. Thanks again for coming along on Sat. And where & when is bike night again this time? _______________________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you. James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 10:57:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (253-64-173-216.user.darwin.net [216.173.64.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99EvZK29923 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.123] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id AD812F400B4; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 08:00:17 -0700 From: "Ahalan" To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Lemon Law Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:55:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c0321a$13650560$2100000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 To those who are interested in the Lemon Law and such - I found this link: http://www.consumerlaw.org/ Niv BMW F650ST From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 11:19:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99FJYK00386 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-17.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.81]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21011; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E20DA1.3849C32A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 11:25:37 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.motorcycle.sportbike,rec.motorcycles To: DC Cycles , Suzuki Bikes Subject: Bike Night tomorrow (Tue) night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everyone, Just one last reminder that tomorrow night is Bike Night at Grevey's in Falls Church, VA. In all likelihood, this is probably going to be the last one this year. I understand that someone is going to bring a track day vid from the Cycle Sport track day at Summit in September. And we'll also being showing some Joey Dunlop vids. Hope y'all will be there. All the details are on the website: http://www.geocities.com/bikenight Cheers, Chuck From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 12:09:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e99G9KK01137 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001009160912.29692.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.212] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 09:09:12 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:09:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE:RR3 write up To: James Hoofnagle , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- James Hoofnagle wrote: > Tom, maybe the hand > signals were a bit much, I was just trying to be > thorough. i'm a supporter of hand signals....in my normal group we use them to signal such things as the need for fuel, turn signals left on, cop ahead, turn around, etc. i had never seen them used in conjuction with the brakes to signal a slow-down. i have no problem with any of this....it was just surprising to see it, that's all > As far as a longer route, I'm all about it! There's > one I've been > looking to do that goes out 55 turns south in > west-by-gawd, back east at 33 > then north east back to DC. Probably a good one for the > spring, I think > it's close to 400 miles, but I'm not sure. the 55-33 route to seneca rocks and back is a nice one (and it's under 400 miles).....but the tighter stuff is where the action is for me! i hope to get down and run u.s. 250 west out to at least grafton, wva before the season ends. thanks again, james.....hope to ride with you again -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 12:36:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f65.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99GaUK01622 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:36:22 -0700 Received: from 199.228.142.5 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 16:36:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Chrome vs Polish Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 12:36:22 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2000 16:36:22.0920 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F506880:01C0320F] I'm interested in input on chroming versus polishing wheels. Anybody have any experience with one over the other? I'm thinking that chrome is the easier to maintain, but polished looks pretty nice. Anyone? Perry _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 12:38:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9707.mail.yahoo.com (web9707.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e99GcEK01632 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001009163805.1641.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9707.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 09:38:05 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:38:05 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: Iron Butt Advice Needed To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey there DCC Iron-Butters, The Enfield Bullet Owners Club (one of the many clubs I belong to) has appointed me to gather info on this. The idea is to prove that our beloved Royal Enfields can go 1,000 miles in one day. I and 2 others have volunteered our bikes and our butts to make this happen. We would like to get IBA recognition. How does this work? Can anyone be a witness? I assume we need forms or something. This is supposed to happen the weekend of Nov. 11-12, BTW. Any advice is appreciated, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 12:38:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99GcqK01642 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id r.a2.a7db27e (4332); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:38:24 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:38:24 EDT Subject: Re: RR3 write up To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, Culimerc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 104 In a message dated 10/9/00 12:13:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > i hope to get down and run u.s. 250 > west out to at least grafton, wva before the season ends. > Last year when we rode out to Mid-Ohio to see the AMA races, we took this route... Oh...my...god. Talk about miles upon miles of twisties. Made riding the Duc 500 miles to the track well worth it. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 12:48:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mail.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99GmtK01791 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.42.bb6e002 (4332) for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:48:34 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <42.bb6e002.271350e1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:48:33 EDT Subject: Thanks, and wish us luck. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 104 Hey all. I think I can speak for the whole team in thanking everyone who came out to support us this year as we chased numerous championships in the WERA mid-atlantic region. It's really great when people come out to watch, as it not only promotes the sport of road-racing in the US (and lets WERA stay in business!), but it really makes it fun for us knowing we have people in the crowd cheering us on. The help in the pits is also ALWAYS a big plus, as it takes a lot to get ready and be out on the track when they call your race. Without that help, it's much harder to run out front week after week. I sorry I can't personally thank everyone by name (you know how I am when it comes to names), but if you came out to the track... you know who you are :). And if you didn't come out this year... well... ok, we still like you anyway (But how about checking us out in the spring? It's a lot of fun!) Also... if anyone out there reading this has thought about maybe trying road-racing, come out and talk to us in the spring or on the list over the winter! The nice thing about having a race team is that we're all there to support each other and lend a hand - if you want go racing, we can make it happen (ok... you have to buy your own bike... I draw the line there in most cases...). Again, a BIG thanks from everyone on the DC-Cycles racing team, and wish us luck as we leave for Road Atlanta tommorow morning to try and bring home a couple national titles at the WERA Grand National Finals! - Brian Roach -- DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 12:53:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e99GrIK01880 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8979 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Oct 2000 16:53:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20001009165314.8978.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 09:53:14 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:53:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Iron Butt Advice Needed To: iefbrfourteen , DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No problems. The Iron Butt Association's web site is www.ironbutt.com. Essentially, yes anyone can witness the ride, of course, you cannot witness your own ride, nor can you and your buddy witness each other's ride. I'm quite sure I can be a witness on that weekend. Email privately for additional information. Leon. --- iefbrfourteen wrote: > Hey there DCC Iron-Butters, > > The Enfield Bullet Owners Club (one of the many > clubs > I belong to) has appointed me to gather info on > this. > The idea is to prove that our beloved Royal Enfields > can go 1,000 miles in one day. I and 2 others have > volunteered our bikes and our butts to make this > happen. > > We would like to get IBA recognition. How does this > work? Can anyone be a witness? I assume we need > forms or something. This is supposed to happen the > weekend of Nov. 11-12, BTW. > > Any advice is appreciated, > > Rich > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 > Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 13:10:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99HA8K02144 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-47.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.239]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12631; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E227A5.956117FA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 13:16:37 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thanks, and wish us luck. References: <42.bb6e002.271350e1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Byran, As you know, I'm one of "those people" who > And if you didn't come out this year... well... ok, we still like you anyway > (But how about checking us out in the spring? It's a lot of fun!) But -- as always -- I am wishing you and the whole DC-Cycles racing crew all the best at Road Atlanta. Promise I'll make it out to the races next year! Chuck P.S. What good are you if you're not gonna buy people race bikes??? %^) Make mine a Suzook RGV250 please! %^) From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 13:24:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r03.mail.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99HONK02382 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.d.aed2791 (4332) for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:24:10 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:24:09 EDT Subject: Re: Thanks, and wish us luck. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 104 In a message dated 10/9/00 1:13:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > Promise I'll make it out to the races > next year! Yeah! You better. I ride ALL the way to Arlington and Falls Church for the bike nights you know... uphill both ways. With bald tires. :D - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 13:33:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99HXYK02559 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-47.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.239]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28561; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E22D17.356F0CDF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 13:39:51 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thanks, and wish us luck. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And "paddling" your motorcycle along the road with your feet no less! %^) BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Yeah! You better. I ride ALL the way to Arlington and Falls Church for the > bike nights you know... uphill both ways. With bald tires. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 13:44:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lmimailg.lmimailg ([198.3.128.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99HioK02757 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lmimailg.lmimailg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:44:50 -0400 Message-ID: <896B308E481BC245A6A2F26D7074D6DD376902@lmimailg.lmimailg> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Tire Question Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:44:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I discovered a very small nail that had pierced my rear tire. Its in the center of tire and looks very patchable. I was wondering where is the best place to take the thing if I don't want to do it myself.. I called Cycle Accessory and they wouldn't do it.. I then made a call to NTB and they said if I bring the tire in they will do it. I assume they will take the tire off the rim and patch it from the inside and then rebalance.. Any thoughts on this?? Its short term -- to make it through till next riding season.. Just in case we get some warm days between now and then. The tire probably has 2k miles on it and otherwise in very nice shape. Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 13:44:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99HitK02761 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13igym-00043r-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 10:44:48 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:44:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New FJ, but ONLY in UK! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII www.gtr1000.com/FJR1300/Image1.jpg www.gtr1000.com/FJR1300/Image2.jpg From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 13:49:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mail.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99HnBK02846 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.72.3b76e42 (4256) for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:49:00 -0400 (EDT) From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Message-ID: <72.3b76e42.27135f0b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:48:59 EDT Subject: Re: Thanks, and wish us luck. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Good luck, Bryan, Randy, Alfredo and any of the other listers that are brave and/or fortunate enough to go to the GNF. I got to experience a first-class track at VIR this weekend and am REALLY looking forward to racing with you guys next year. I will be unable to go to the GNF this year, so be sure and take LOTS of pics Laura. I am going to Summit Point this weekend (hopefully.....if it's not too cold) to test ride my hopeful new race bike......an awesome silver '88 FZR 400 ridden by Bill Siemens, #616 CCS. GO GET SOME CHAMPIONSHIPS GUYS!!!!! Jess From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 13:53:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99HrOK02936 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0G2600401CBHK1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:52:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G2600MKZCBH96@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:52:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G2600501C6FUK@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:49:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G2600501C69U3@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:49:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G26003G4C5UDP@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:49:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 13:51:18 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Iron Butt Advice Needed To: iefbrfourteen Cc: DCC Message-id: <39E20596.AD025BB2@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20001009163805.1641.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> iefbrfourteen wrote: > > Hey there DCC Iron-Butters, > > The Enfield Bullet Owners Club (one of the many clubs > I belong to) has appointed me to gather info on this. > The idea is to prove that our beloved Royal Enfields > can go 1,000 miles in one day. I and 2 others have > volunteered our bikes and our butts to make this > happen. As they often say over on the LDrider list, "It's the rider, not the bike". Keeping that in mind, what kind of long days have you and the other two riders done? Trying to do a 1000 mile day without ever having done a ride over 400 miles or so is a bit foolhardy, IMO. Like Leon already mentioned, the Ironbutt Assocation maintains a great website at http://www.ironbutt.com. They have an Archive of Wisdom there, a list of long distance tips previous riders have figured out the hard way. > We would like to get IBA recognition. How does this > work? Can anyone be a witness? I assume we need > forms or something. This is supposed to happen the > weekend of Nov. 11-12, BTW. > > Any advice is appreciated, I should be available that weekend as a witness as well. It sounds like a great challenge. Be prepared, and you might even end up enjoying yourself! :) Dale Horstman -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth Bun Burner GOLD 08/04/00 SaddleSore 1000 06/10/00 Bun Burner 1500 11/17/98 SaddleSore 1000 05/24/98 and a few other 1K days From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 13:57:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99Hv5K03031 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.e6.be049a7 (3989) for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:56:51 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:56:51 EDT Subject: Re: New FJ, but ONLY in UK! (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Wonder if it's going to make its way Stateside? Yamaha has a reputation for bringing unusual bikes in for a year or two (SRX, TDM, GTS). This puppy sounds pretty mainstream - and I'm getting new bike itch. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 14:00:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99I0vK03118 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.7d.b572942 (4188); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:00:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7d.b572942.271361cb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:00:43 EDT Subject: Re: Thanks, and wish us luck. To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Bryan, I will be arriving wednesday early afternoon, don't know what the pitting situation is for vintage, will find out when I get there. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 14:06:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mail.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99I6BK03215 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id t.68.8031726 (3989); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:05:17 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <68.8031726.271362dd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:05:17 EDT Subject: Re: Iron Butt Advice Needed To: the.horkster@XXXXXX, iefbr142000@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 10/9/2000 13:55:00 Eastern Daylight Time, the.horkster@XXXXXX writes: > Trying to do a 1000 mile day without > ever having done a ride over 400 miles or so is > a bit foolhardy, IMO Perhaps, but my longest day prior to my SS1K was just over 400 miles (Westerville, OH to Sterling via back roads (a long 400 miles)). I had a route planned for the SS1K, and when an opportunity arose, I did it. Saddled up at about 04:30 and was home by midnight. If you want some fun, try finding a cop in Loudoun County after dark - They have no fixed base after hours, you have to go and hunt one down. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 14:35:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99IZ0K03603 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [153.39.169.218] by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool169-218.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.169.218]) id QQjkes02920; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:34:57 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dsnyder@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c0321a$13650560$2100000a@darwin.net> References: <000001c0321a$13650560$2100000a@darwin.net> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:34:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rsv1000@XXXXXX From: "Dan J. Snyder" Subject: Swing Arm Scratches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I have a few scratches on my swingarm from my Pit Bull stand and need to know the fix. Blow torch? Sandpaper? Elbow grease? What should I do? Sell the bike? ;-) Thanks a lot, Dan 00 RSV From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 14:37:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99IbEK03682 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0G2600M01DZEGP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:28:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G2600M1ADZEFL@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:28:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G2600J01DVYAT@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:26:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G2600J01DVXAK@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:26:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G2600I46DVIVQ@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:26:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 14:27:19 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Iron Butt Advice Needed To: MJordan666@XXXXXX Cc: iefbr142000@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39E20E07.571592DA@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <68.8031726.271362dd@aol.com> MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 10/9/2000 13:55:00 Eastern Daylight Time, > the.horkster@XXXXXX writes: > > > Trying to do a 1000 mile day without > > ever having done a ride over 400 miles or so is > > a bit foolhardy, IMO > > Perhaps, but my longest day prior to my SS1K was just over 400 miles > (Westerville, OH to Sterling via back roads (a long 400 miles)). Likewise, my longest day was just over 400 miles, before this accursed long distance infection took hold. I blame Leon, it's all his fault! :) My point with the 400 mile day being, if you felt absolutely whipped after 400 miles in the saddle, setting out on a 1K day might not be the thing to do right now. Granted, route choices can make a big difference, and a person can get acclimated to longer trips with a little practice. But I wouldn't suggest hopping on a bike and setting out on a 1000 mile day just to "prove a bike can do it" if the rider is lacking in experience. > I had a route planned for the SS1K, and when an opportunity arose, I did it. > Saddled up at about 04:30 and was home by midnight. Yeah, with the right planning and execution, a 1000 mile day can often be no big deal. I even got a hotel room for 5 hours and completed a 1000 mile day. That was neat. :) > If you want some fun, try finding a cop in Loudoun County after dark - They > have no fixed base after hours, you have to go and hunt one down. That's why I'm glad the IBA went to the "approved witness" idea, makes things much easier. Leon and I (and maybe Louis?) are listed on the IBA's Approved Witness list. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 14:48:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99ImsK03866 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-47.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.239]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02961; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E23EC3.31163DB7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 14:55:15 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dan J. Snyder" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Swing Arm Scratches References: <000001c0321a$13650560$2100000a@darwin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan, No, no, no! Just give the bike to me! %^) I'm sure I can learn to live with the scratches! %^) Chuck "Dan J. Snyder" wrote: > > I have a few scratches on my swingarm from my Pit Bull stand and need > to know the fix. Blow torch? Sandpaper? Elbow grease? What > should I do? Sell the bike? ;-) From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 15:03:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9702.mail.yahoo.com (web9702.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.138]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e99J3hK04112 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001009190334.56981.qmail@web9702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9702.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 12:03:34 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:03:34 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: Re: Iron Butt Advice Needed To: Dale Horstman Cc: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The farthest I have ridden in one day is... looking it up in mapquest... 404.0 miles (650.0 km), roughly. Did it on Thursday, 6-Jul-00 (actually a bit longer, because I made a *really* wrong turn), and again on Sunday, 9-Jul-00. To and from Mid Ohio for Vintage Motorcycle Days. On a 1978 Triumph Bonneville. :) Truly spiritual, lemme tell ya. The other 3 riders (I forgot one) are much more hard core than I am. I think we have an excellent chance of success. Two 350's and two 500's are doing the run. A whole lotta thumpin' goin' on. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 15:07:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e99J7OK04207 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001009190717.9050.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.212] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 12:07:17 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:07:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Swing Arm Scratches To: "Dan J. Snyder" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, rsv1000@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Dan J. Snyder" wrote: > I have a few scratches on my swingarm from my Pit Bull > stand and need to know the fix. Blow torch? Sandpaper? > Elbow grease? The proper 'fix' is to let the chain lube fling-off cover the scratches. > What should I do? Sell the bike? ;-) i would definitely unload it....i read the recent MCN article on the Mille, and it sounds like a real piece of shit. might i ask how you scratched your swingarm with a pit bull stand? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 15:08:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e99J8cK04225 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 14:08:04 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 14:02:08 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , , Subject: Re: Swing Arm Scratches Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e99J8eK04226 Dan, I would probably try some really fine #600 and # 1500 wet sandpaper, maybe some of those sponge type blocks. Then polish with something like Mothers alum polish. That should work fine. George 00 VFR (scratch less) George M Cole Senior Account Manager Boise Technology www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 410 796-0714 CUSTOMER SERVICE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM 1-800-525-9500 FAX 1-800-952-9084 Boise. It couldn't be easier. >>> "Dan J. Snyder" 10/09/00 02:34PM >>> I have a few scratches on my swingarm from my Pit Bull stand and need to know the fix. Blow torch? Sandpaper? Elbow grease? What should I do? Sell the bike? ;-) Thanks a lot, Dan 00 RSV From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 15:16:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9706.mail.yahoo.com (web9706.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e99JGnK04373 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001009191642.69494.qmail@web9706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9706.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 12:16:42 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:16:42 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: Re: Iron Butt Advice Needed To: Dale Horstman , MJordan666@XXXXXX Cc: iefbr142000@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > My point with the 400 mile day being, if you felt > absolutely whipped > after 400 miles in the saddle, setting out on a 1K > day might not be > the thing to do right now. I felt OK afterward. I was able to set up my tent, find a restaurant, eat without falling asleep in my food, etc. > > Granted, route choices can make a big difference, > and a person can > get acclimated to longer trips with a little > practice. But I > wouldn't suggest hopping on a bike and setting out > on a 1000 > mile day just to "prove a bike can do it" if the > rider is lacking > in experience. None of us are lacking in experience. The thing is that a lot of people think Enfields are crap, and that they are blowing up or falling apart every 100 miles. We as a club want to show that they are good bikes, and can be really ridden (once they are "fettled," of course). And, if nothing else, it will make for good story telling this winter. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 15:17:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mail.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99JHqK04383 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Preludef2@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.c1.790eef9 (3703) for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:17:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Preludef2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:17:39 EDT Subject: unsubscribe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 34 unsubscribe preludef2@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 15:33:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99JXOK04611 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G2600601GY7IP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:32:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G26003F9GY7YS@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:32:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G2600501GURUT@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:30:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G2600501GUQUK@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:30:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G2600464GUAQ8@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:30:10 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:31:23 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Iron Butt Advice Needed To: iefbrfourteen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39E21D0B.E5BC79EF@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20001009191642.69494.qmail@web9706.mail.yahoo.com> iefbrfourteen wrote: > I felt OK afterward. I was able to set up my tent, > find a restaurant, eat without falling asleep in my > food, etc. Cool - I was just worried that you might not know what you are getting into. Sounds like you know what you are doing. > None of us are lacking in experience. The thing is > that a lot of people think Enfields are crap, and that > they are blowing up or falling apart every 100 miles. > We as a club want to show that they are good bikes, > and can be really ridden (once they are "fettled," of > course). Understand. I wish you guys the best of luck. You guys doing anything special to the bikes for the long trip? Fitting throttle locks, windshields, upgraded seats? What kind of range do you typically get? It sounds like a challenge. > And, if nothing else, it will make for good story > telling this winter. Yep. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 15:35:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e99JZUK04690 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001009193522.25179.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.212] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 12:35:22 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:35:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: RR3 write up To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, Culimerc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/9/00 12:13:52 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > i hope to get down and run u.s. 250 > > west out to at least grafton, wva before the season > > ends. > > > > Last year when we rode out to Mid-Ohio to see the AMA > races, we took this route... > Oh...my...god. Talk about miles upon miles of twisties. > Made riding the Duc 500 miles to the track well worth it. i know....i love this road. and it should be noted that there was a LOT of repaving done recently. i hadn't been down there for a while because of the road condition.....no excuse to stay away now -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 15:39:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99Jd9K04708 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-187.patriot.net [209.249.180.187]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e99JV2e14785; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:31:03 -0400 Message-ID: <39E21C9C.E1A86288@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:29:32 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: iefbrfourteen CC: Dale Horstman , DCC Subject: Re: Iron Butt Advice Needed References: <20001009190334.56981.qmail@web9702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A 1K on Enfields? Y`all have balls, at least for now - can't promise you will after a 1K on a thumper. My longest on an old Honda 360 upright twin was about 370 miles, with a passenger who needed mucho post-ride butt massage attention, a service I only offer lady passengers. That ride was twice the wear and tear on the bod as 800 miles on my basic UJM 4cyl. The Hawg wears me out at 600 miles. So, extrapolating from twins and fours to singles, I predict - Yo' ass is gonna hate you! Methinks the chicks at Pleasent Sensations Massage Parlor offer Enfield butt therupy. Good luck. Bill iefbrfourteen wrote: > The farthest I have ridden in one day is... looking it > up in mapquest... 404.0 miles (650.0 km), roughly. > Did it on Thursday, 6-Jul-00 (actually a bit longer, > because I made a *really* wrong turn), and again on > Sunday, 9-Jul-00. To and from Mid Ohio for Vintage > Motorcycle Days. On a 1978 Triumph Bonneville. :) > Truly spiritual, lemme tell ya. > > The other 3 riders (I forgot one) are much more hard > core than I am. I think we have an excellent chance > of success. Two 350's and two 500's are doing the > run. A whole lotta thumpin' goin' on. > > Rich > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 15:42:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e99JgYK04794 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001009194226.1787.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.173.60.150] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 12:42:26 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:42:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Iron Butt Advice Needed To: iefbr142000@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Likewise, my longest day was just over 400 miles, before this > accursed long distance infection took hold. I blame Leon, it's all > his fault! :) My longest day on my old Nighthawk was about 500 miles, but 18 hours (The only highway I took was in Norfolk, jammed getting through so that wasn't a time saver at all). It's the time and the miles, have to be comfortable with both. If you aren't used to spending so much saddle time... it can creep up on you. > That's why I'm glad the IBA went to the "approved witness" idea, makes > things much easier. Leon and I (and maybe Louis?) are listed on the > IBA's Approved Witness list. I'm also an offical "Approved Witness." Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://MD-20-20.tripod.com Home Page: http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 15:47:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99JlkK04882 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G2600401HLOSR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:46:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G2600LMBHLOVK@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:46:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) id <0G2600801HLOU0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:46:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0G2600801HLFSS@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:46:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0G26005H2HLB7S@XXXXXX>; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:46:24 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:45:33 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Iron Butt Advice Needed To: Bill Huson Cc: iefbrfourteen , DCC Message-id: <39E2205D.141CC7EB@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20001009190334.56981.qmail@web9702.mail.yahoo.com> <39E21C9C.E1A86288@XXXXXX> Bill Huson wrote: > Methinks the chicks at Pleasent Sensations Massage Parlor offer Enfield > butt therupy. Don't some of the Enfields have those nice long flat bench seats? Maybe I'm thinking of another bike, don't know for sure... Anyway, a bench seat would be nice, allowing you to scoot forward or back to wear out a different part of your butt on occasion. These modern stepped seats pretty much lock you into one spot, which gets old in a hurry on longer trips. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 16:07:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e99K7FK05197 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001009200707.4393.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.212] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 13:07:07 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:07:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Iron Butt Advice Needed To: iefbrfourteen Cc: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > A 1K on Enfields? Y`all have balls, at least for now - > can't promise you will after a 1K on a thumper. who needs testes when you can be the first SS1K-ers on enfields? ;) i just searched the IBA finishers page and couldn't find a single 'enfield.' perhaps a different search term will produce results....who knows -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 16:16:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9707.mail.yahoo.com (web9707.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e99KGWK05345 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001009201625.24117.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9707.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 13:16:25 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:16:25 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: Re: Iron Butt Advice Needed To: Dale Horstman , Bill Huson Cc: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dale wrote... > Don't some of the Enfields have those nice long flat > bench seats? Sort of. There is a step in the stock seats, but you can still set your butt on the passenger portion, if you are so inclined. My planned mods are to take the abomidable "chopper" seat off (installed so that the wife could ride it), replacing it with the stock one, and I'd like to get one of those throttle rocker thingies. One of the guys (Sorry, can't remember the name... his bike was a VX800) on an Anita-led ride showed me his throttle rocker, and it looked to be a good thing. A couple of the other riders were talking about changing their coutershaft sprockets out for 1-tooth-larger items. I don't think I will do that, though. If it's like the Triumph (and I think it is), you have to take the whole primary drive apart to change the front sprocket. Too much of a hassle. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 17:07:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (253-64-173-216.user.darwin.net [216.173.64.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99L7JK06116 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.123] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id A434647C00DA; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 14:10:12 -0700 From: "Ahalan" To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: ...should have known better Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:05:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c0324d$bd1deee0$2100000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I'm not new to this vocation. I've ridden tens of thousands of miles. I've read countless accounts, and hundreds of articles. I've been through many hours of instruction, and ridden behind great teachers. I know better. ...they tell you that a turn is about vision. It's about seeing it, reading it, and acting upon your read. YOUR read. ...so I'm riding behind Zbig and Tom, Tom on Zbig's CBR929, Zbig on Tom's Ducati 996. It's the relaxed ride, and I'm on my BMW F650ST. I'm doing fine, riding at a brisk but controlled pace, well within my limits. The sun is shining, and the route is awesome. But I've already caught myself doing this earlier in the ride, behind a more relaxed rider, and told myself to pay attention. This time, however, I'm on Zbig's tail, and it's a blind right-hander coming up, and as it approaches, I tell myself that I should enter a turn like this slower, see it, read it and then act upon MY read. And the road is narrow but I don't even use the few feet that were available in order to make it a late apex turn, just to get a better view of what's ahead. But it's already beyond that point. The under-seat double pipes of the yellow 996 fall into the turn and I follow. It's also downhill, and now its off-camber, and it's getting tighter. A neon sign in my mind flashes in bright red: "Decreasing Radius Turn". Another neon sign flashes in green: "Turn Turn Turn !". It's too late for me to hang my body from the side of the bike. I push the right handlebar harder and keep the throttle open, and feel, maybe even hear, some metallic piece belonging to the right side of my Beemer touch down, and the edge of my boot too. I figure there's no more ground clearance, I see the turn's exit, thankfully devoid of oncoming traffic, and go wide into the oncoming lane. And now the turn is over and I'm back on the right (and correct) side of the road, and I'm thinking "thank you Keith Code for making me ride that Bitch" (see VIR track map) as I return to chasing down the 996 with a tad less push. I like it that I'm here to tell about it. But so often these things happen and we just file them away as "wow, was that close". ...so it's about vision, but also instincts and training and self discipline. And if anyone forgot to mention, it's also about ground clearance. Thank you Laura for the awesome route and great organization. Thanks Fred for riding behind me there - its good to know someone was there to enjoy the fireworks. Thanks Tom for letting me listen to that beautiful twin sound. Thanks Zbig for keeping it fun. Now who's going to organize the "Electric League" for winter riding? Niv BMW F650ST From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 17:07:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99L7VK06119 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-9.patriot.net [209.249.181.9]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e99L3Ke28545; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:03:20 -0400 Message-ID: <39E2323B.5AE174D0@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:01:48 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: iefbrfourteen CC: Dale Horstman , DCC Subject: Re: Iron Butt Advice Needed References: <20001009201625.24117.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trottle rocker??? I had a gizmo on my Suzuki that would lock the throttle. The lever kinda stuck up so it was quick and easy to disconnect it and the pressure was just enough to keep it from creeping so one could turn the wick down with the clamper thingy down. The Hawg has a screw thingy one can use to lock the throttle. I've never used it. It sits betwixt the trhottle cables and is to hard to get to. Looks kinda scarey. A towel (poor man's sheepskin) on the seat helps, and reducing seams on the backside as well. Like I've cut the back pockets offa my jeans and left the undies at home. Forget any seat with embossed designs - like those *&^$% H-D logos and fake roll and pleat. Bill iefbrfourteen wrote: > Dale wrote... > > Don't some of the Enfields have those nice long flat > > bench seats? > > Sort of. There is a step in the stock seats, but you > can still set your butt on the passenger portion, if > you are so inclined. > > My planned mods are to take the abomidable "chopper" > seat off (installed so that the wife could ride it), > replacing it with the stock one, and I'd like to get > one of those throttle rocker thingies. One of the > guys (Sorry, can't remember the name... his bike was a > VX800) on an Anita-led ride showed me his throttle > rocker, and it looked to be a good thing. > > A couple of the other riders were talking about > changing their coutershaft sprockets out for > 1-tooth-larger items. I don't think I will do that, > though. If it's like the Triumph (and I think it is), > you have to take the whole primary drive apart to > change the front sprocket. Too much of a hassle. > > Rich > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 17:12:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99LC4K06204 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA28382 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:05:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: DCcycles website contact info Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:11:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 First off, I'd like to thank everyone who's submitted material for the new dc-cycles website. I've been working hard to make sure it all gets in. I would also like to request while Laura is gone that all material to be submitted for the site is sent to my email address at chris_vtr@XXXXXX. She normally took on the task of collecting and organizing all of the material, but with her gone I'll need to take on those tasks myself. The site will go live soon after she gets back (Oct. 18th to be precise), so I can't delay development until her return. Just to whet your appetites, I've included a copy of the current site map. Not all of these areas are complete yet, but a majority are and all will be done before we go live. I hope to develop all of the areas over time as the site evolves. I hope the site will serve as a useful tool to everyone on the list. Thanks for your support, Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F DCcycles.com Webmaster Site Map: Main Page Mailing List Archive Search Calendar Oct Nov (Etc.) 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Articles Articles Stories Trip Reports From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 17:35:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rottweiler.cwusa.com (rottweiler-dmz.cwusa.com [146.135.88.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99LZjK06592 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com (us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com [146.135.85.143]) by rottweiler.cwusa.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA06046 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by us-cwi-exc-a10.cwi.cablew.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) id <42T84YDM>; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:35:35 -0400 Message-ID: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E903664CA2@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Iron Butt Advice Needed Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:35:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey, Bill. This sounds like one of those princess-and-the-pea stories. You sure must be sensitive. Hey girls - That's what we like - a 'sensitive' guy. ;-) LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Bill Huson said: A towel (poor man's sheepskin) on the seat helps, and reducing seams on the backside as well. Like I've cut the back pockets offa my jeans and left the undies at home. Forget any seat with embossed designs - like those *&^$% H-D logos and fake roll and pleat. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 17:44:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99LiWK06680 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-212-24.s278.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.212.24] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13ikik-0004In-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:44:30 -0400 Message-ID: <00de01c03239$be3f0660$d7d43ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <20001009194226.1787.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Iron Butt Advice Needed Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:35:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Speaking of Nighthawks and obviously not quite in the Iron Butt class yet, but I did 370 miles yesterday on my Nighthawk, 250 the day before and 350 on Friday on a frigid trip to SW Va. Working my way up I guess. All on that crummy stock seat, dinky National Cycle windshield and at least half of it on two-lane twisty roads. On the trip yesterday the cold did me in long before the butt, hands or brain would have given out. In summer temps this ride would have been no big deal endurance wise. Down right wintry down there, lows in the twenties, with sleet, nasty crosswinds, etc., and I didn't have my warmest gear with me. I was darn glad to see the Beltway yesterday. As for the Enfield riders, November could be quite cold. In early October we certainly didn't expect to run into the temps we found. I was underdressed by at least twenty degrees and we weren't riding at night either. Only about ten hours of daylight in Nov. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Louis F. Caplan To: ; Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 3:42 PM Subject: Re: Iron Butt Advice Needed > > Likewise, my longest day was just over 400 miles, before this > > accursed long distance infection took hold. I blame Leon, it's all > > his fault! :) > > My longest day on my old Nighthawk was about 500 miles, but 18 hours (The only > highway I took was in Norfolk, jammed getting through so that wasn't a time > saver at all). It's the time and the miles, have to be comfortable with both. > If you aren't used to spending so much saddle time... it can creep up on you. > > > That's why I'm glad the IBA went to the "approved witness" idea, makes > > things much easier. Leon and I (and maybe Louis?) are listed on the > > IBA's Approved Witness list. > > I'm also an offical "Approved Witness." > > Louis From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 18:53:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99Mr9K07761 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-9.patriot.net [209.249.181.9]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e99Mn4e09443; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:49:04 -0400 Message-ID: <39E24B03.984CFC2B@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:47:31 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Tanner, Linda" CC: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Iron Butt Advice Needed References: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E903664CA2@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EXCUUUSSEE ME! I have a very skinny butt, noassatatall. Alas, no cushion makes me a *very* sensitive guy. But my biker chick has no such problem... (ducking) Bill Tanner, Linda wrote: > Hey, Bill. > > This sounds like one of those princess-and-the-pea stories. You sure must > be sensitive. > > Hey girls - That's what we like - a 'sensitive' guy. > > ;-) > > LindaT. > Springfield, VA, USA > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) > 00 KLR250 Tenzing > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > Bill Huson said: > A towel (poor man's sheepskin) on the seat helps, and reducing seams on > the backside as well. Like I've cut the back pockets offa my jeans and > left the undies at home. Forget any seat with embossed designs - like > those *&^$% H-D logos and fake roll and pleat. > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 19:17:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99NHFK08217 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-9.patriot.net [209.249.181.9]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e99NHCe12271 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:17:12 -0400 Message-ID: <39E2519C.38C6E962@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:15:40 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Splat! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So my cuz from New Yawk rode his Sporty down to the Outer Banks to spend a few days goofing off. A recently aquired Sporty, a real deal from a *must sell* situation. I noted his baldy back tire which he said he'd replace when he got back home. He didn't make it back home. An hour up the road the rear slipped out on a wee bit of gravel and *splat*. Cuz busted his collorbone and the bike. Now the Sporty is in my garage, me having the truckability to cart it home. Actually Milady did the honors as I was on my scoot. My cuz sez fix it and sent me money for parts. Not many parts, handlebar, highway bar, front brake line, left rear turn signal - bike went down on grass. So I sez okay, IF you let me replace the rear tire. No arguement there. I looked over the accident scene when I picked the bike up. Loose gravel, yes, and ONE skid mark. Classic overuse of rear brake and resulting high-side into grass. Hopefully he'll take my last bit of advice and take an MSF class - not the total answer but every little bit helps. Of course, after putting the Sporty back together I'll have to take a few test rides to make sure all is well. Yeeessss.... Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 19:49:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail ([207.199.140.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e99NnAK08697 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ras5 (207.199.140.29) by mail with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.10.18 AS-0098310) for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:49:07 -0400 Message-ID: <39E2595C.2DD6@softbicycle.com> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:48:44 -0400 From: M Brodie Reply-To: mbrodie@XXXXXX Organization: The Soft Bicycle Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: vfr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/08/00 References: <200010082300.e98N0Gn11958@dirty.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello fellow riders: Well the Sunday October 08 meeting (aka "Squiddy Poser Fest 2000") at the Rockville B&N/Starbucks went extremely well, we had a blast with an outdoor barbecue, Jacuzzi fest and live mariachi band(details may be exaggerated). We had 2 VFRs, an ST1000, and 2 YZFs. After arriving at the book store at about 4:15, I noticed PJ, a really cool dude, parked out front riding a Honda ST1000, that put me at ease, I said well at least one lister had shown up!(spamming really does work!) Then wouldn't you know it, My friend Will had shown up on his YZF R1, maybe because I had called him up a few minutes before, but just the same the company was welcomed. My friend Damien had bought a YZF600 one day before and had just taken his first cautious back road ride up with me through beautiful Rock Creek Park, it was picturesque, 55 degrees is great riding weather(not really, I kinda froze my a$$ a little). Just not great "squiddy outdoor poser" weather. Soon after Wil arrived, a new friend & lister (Trey) had also shown up on his 99(red) VFR 800. We talked, laughed, and cried a bit (not really the crying part) and then we decided on a night ride through the open roads in Rock Creek park. Few bikers were out on the roads Sunday, but we had a great evening ride throughout the twisty roads that ran down by Beach Drive in MD and DC. We even saw a coupple of deer on our way throught the park (unfortunatley they were too far off the road to hit) The day was great, I wish you were all there, but I know stuff happenz (like flat tires and sleeping late[i'm kidding]). Well, now the spot has been flagged, if you are seeking a group ride or some conversation, or a cup of coffee, books, or intelligent bookstore type people (women for me). Stop by there and park out front. On possibly Fridays, and Sunday or Saturday evenings (or any combination, or maybe even none), chances are that you can catch me inside with a mocha and cycle world in hand! See you there.....Winterman 00' Bright yellow VFR (easier to be seen at night by deer and stuff) ========================= Confucius say: "A man who stand on toilet is high on pot!" From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 20:50:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9A0oYK09801 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001010005027.5368.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.7.100] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:50:27 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:50:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: RR3 write up To: Laura Granato Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Laura Granato wrote: > > I would absolutely love to organize a longer ride > next year > LAG > great.... i will try to make them - work permitting. RR3 was allot of fun and great to meet you and the riders in the group. Next time i just gotto remember to eat breakfast so i don't gnaw at the inside of my helmet again to keep me alive until the food establishment. So don't forget to include food places in your group ride plans... or roads with some road kill. ( and yes i saw those walnuts everyone was pointing to with their feet.... i just am not skilled rider enough to pick them up while in motion) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 21:18:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9705.mail.yahoo.com (web9705.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.143]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9A1I4K10207 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001010011753.76718.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.11.148] by web9705.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:17:53 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:17:53 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: "Can I get a witness?" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When I wrote, "Can anyone be a witness?" What I meant was "Can *anyone* be a witness, or do you have to be 'approved' or something?" We are starting in Richmond, and heading south, so I was wondering why all y'all (well the cool people anyway ;)) were volunteering to be witnesses. :) If you are willing to ride to Richmond just to sign my sheet, then you are Hard Core. Rock on, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 21:35:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9701.mail.yahoo.com (web9701.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.137]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9A1ZiK10506 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001010013531.93851.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.11.148] by web9701.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:35:31 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:35:31 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: u.s. 250 West To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I will second that "Oh...my...god" US 250 West out of Bridgeport Ohio is ridiculously twisty. I stopped in Wheeling, WBGV to check oil and tire pressure. While I worked, I was talking with a guy wearing a polo shirt with the logo of a certain American motorcycle embroidered onto the breast. I told him I was going to take 250 West, and he warned me that it was dangerous (really). Too many damn turns, he said (I'm not making this up). I thought it was probably the best motorcycling road I have ever been on. Some day I hope to be able to compare it to Deal's Gap. Rich BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote... In a message dated 10/9/00 12:13:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > i hope to get down and run u.s. 250 > west out to at least grafton, wva before the season ends. > Last year when we rode out to Mid-Ohio to see the AMA races, we took this route... Oh...my...god. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 21:40:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9A1eVK10530 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001010014021.9666.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.173.60.161] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:40:21 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:40:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: "Can I get a witness?" To: iefbrfourteen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- iefbrfourteen wrote: > When I wrote, "Can anyone be a witness?" What I meant > was "Can *anyone* be a witness, or do you have to be > 'approved' or something?" For a simple Saddle Sore 1000, you can have anyone be a witness (start and/or stop) as long as they are not doing the ride with you. HOWEVER, you will have to rely on this witness(es) to respond back if they get a letter from the Iron Butt Association asking them to verify that they signed you in/out at a specific time/place. The "Official" Witnesses are for the more hard core rides (for example, the Saddle Sore 2000). However, Richmond isn't that far away [from the perspective of Dale, Leon, myself, and others who like riding long distances before breakfast! ;-) ] And the offical witnesses take this kind of stuff seriously so you won't have to be as worried about if they will respond or not. That said, I'm teaching the MSF course the weekend of your ride, so my first priority is being at the class. Good luck!! After you do the ride, be sure to do a write up, I'm sure the Long Distance Rider list would love to read about your ride! (if you want more hints on riding the SS1000, you can check them out at http://www.ldriders.org/ It's another e-mail list, for people who like to ride long distances... they may be able to provide you with more feedback on taking the Enfields for such a long distance.) Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://MD-20-20.tripod.com Home Page: http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 22:04:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r19.mail.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9A24VK10906 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.db.a9e15a1 (4208) for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:04:21 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:04:21 EDT Subject: Re: RR3 write up To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 James And Laura You guys did a great job for the ride, James your pace on the ride was very good, nice and relaxed ! I thought you were taking us to bike school when we went into the school parking lot? I tell you what a Honda CBR 1000 is a heavy handful in some of these corners. Need to practice on some free weights! Once again Thanks for a Great ride PS Is anyone interested in a Maryland ride? if so I will arrange one just let me know Richard McCreadie. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 22:07:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9A27rK10990 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001010020744.UOED28639.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@XXXXXX>; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:07:44 -0700 Message-ID: <39E279C8.B169B586@home.com> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 22:07:04 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: iefbrfourteen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Can I get a witness?" References: <20001010011753.76718.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit iefbrfourteen wrote: > > When I wrote, "Can anyone be a witness?" What I meant > was "Can *anyone* be a witness, or do you have to be > 'approved' or something?" > > We are starting in Richmond, and heading south, so I > was wondering why all y'all (well the cool people > anyway ;)) were volunteering to be witnesses. :) If > you are willing to ride to Richmond just to sign my > sheet, then you are Hard Core. Nah, Hard Core would be signing off as your starting witness, doing the ride with you, serving as your ending witness too, and not bothering to submit any documentation to claim the ride as official. Now, by *that* definition, I'm Hard Core. :) What time are y'all leaving from Richmond? Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 22:18:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r19.mail.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9A2IaK11156 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Preludef2@XXXXXX by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.29.b32019d (3971) for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:18:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Preludef2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <29.b32019d.2713d661@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:18:09 EDT Subject: how do I unsubscribe? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 34 how do i unsubscribe from this mailing list?? From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 22:34:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9708.mail.yahoo.com (web9708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9A2Y6K11424 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001010023349.26139.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.11.148] by web9708.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:33:49 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:33:49 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: Re: "Can I get a witness?" To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Horkster wrote... > Nah, Hard Core would be signing off as your starting > witness, doing the ride with you, serving as your > ending witness too, and not bothering to submit > any documentation to claim the ride as official. > > Now, by *that* definition, I'm Hard Core. :) > > What time are y'all leaving from Richmond? The old timers in our group believe that starting late Saturday and riding through the night will give us roads with less traffic. Leon suggests starting between noon and 3pm to maximize daylight. Nothing is set in stone yet. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 22:35:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pressroom.com (mail.pressroom.com [198.69.131.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9A2ZKK11501 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home [216.25.202.93] by pressroom.com (SMTPD32-6.04) id A32043980150; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 22:46:56 -0400 X-Sender: brownlee_b@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: bikenight, DC IBAers.... Message-Id: <200010092246984.SM01619@home> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:47:17 -0400 dale, louis, etc.... i am seriously considering trying to make bikenight tomorrow. would have to leave at roughly 8PM, but hope i can meet some of youall as well as other listers. i'll be leaving chantilly around 4:30 and will be wearing an olive drab stich with brown ballistics (and probably an electric jacket!). i'm on digest mode, so if anyone wants to contact me, please do so off list. also, looking for a parter for Tarbutt '01, anyone? See youall there.... Bruce Brownlee '95 FLHTC-U/I (1939/2000) - Fins IBA #8305 -- Bruce Brownlee Webmaster/PR - #91 Winston Cup Team http://www.LJRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 9 23:20:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mail.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9A3KgK12239 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.ae.b95b8f9 (618); Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:20:21 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:20:20 EDT Subject: Re: how do I unsubscribe? To: Preludef2@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 10/9/2000 10:21:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Preludef2@XXXXXX writes: << how do i unsubscribe from this mailing list?? >> Go to www.dc-cycles.org and follow the directions. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 07:08:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AB8GK20282 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA23974 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (mail.lcsa.org [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA20527 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA11766 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:17:18 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Anyone going to Bike Night in the Reston or Leesburg area ????? Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:03:04 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01c032a9$a9c20320$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C03288.22B06320" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C03288.22B06320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have the Summit Point Video and it can be picked up at either Reston or Leesburg. I can't make it, but I sent a copy with my wife to her office in Reston (right off the toll rd.). Is there anyone who can pick up the tape and take it with them? Gary Foreman ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C03288.22B06320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have = the Summit=20 Point Video and it can be picked up at either Reston or Leesburg.  = I can't=20 make it, but I sent a copy with my wife to her office in Reston (right = off the=20 toll rd.).  Is there anyone who can pick up the tape and take it = with=20 them?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C03288.22B06320-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 07:11:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mail.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ABB8K20296 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id r.c5.9edea94 (4155); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:10:38 -0400 (EDT) From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:10:38 EDT Subject: Re: u.s. 250 West To: iefbr142000@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Yes, that is definitely an "Oh MY God" road. One of the MANY great roads in West Virginia. It does tend to get run by a lot of coal trucks in the winter though, so when you take your first ride on it in the spring, be VERY careful. And, you can't beat the beautiful views on that road either. Any of you guys get out here next spring, stop by and see me in Morgantown. I'll take you on some really awesome roads. There are TONS of them here. Jess WERA Novice #435 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 08:15:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ACF3K21300 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: intcache03.uu.net [153.39.7.42]) id QQjkhl15496; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:15:00 GMT Received: from usashexims03.corp.us.uu.net by gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.80.15]) id QQjkhk03315; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:10:51 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'Laura.Granato@XXXXXX'" Subject: HELP NEEDED! Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:10:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As per Laura's message (below), this is the ride that took place on Saturday, August 12th. From: "Granato, Laura" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:38:47 -0400 I need your help for a friend. If you were on the first relaxed ride, the one that went through Maryland and Virginia and ended up in DC, please reply to this e-mail and let me know. Thanks! Laura Director of Editing Circle.com 1600 International Drive McLean VA 22102 703.288.7421 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 08:29:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rottweiler.cwusa.com (rottweiler-dmz.cwusa.com [146.135.88.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ACTCK21450 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com (us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com [146.135.85.143]) by rottweiler.cwusa.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA22148 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by us-cwi-exc-a10.cwi.cablew.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) id <42T847Q5>; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:29:01 -0400 Message-ID: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E903664D48@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: Gerbing availability? Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:28:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone know of a local shop that carries Gerbing products - like jacket liners and controllers? TIA LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 08:57:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9ACvaK21895 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:56:59 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:52:22 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Gerbing availability? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e9ACvhK21896 Linda, I just purchased a liner and thermostat from Bobs BMW in Jessup MD 301-497-8949, they have a nice selection of MC gear and clothing. The BMW stuff is kind of pricy though. You can also call the local Gerbing distributor Mike Vlahos @ 301-829-0452. Cheers, George George M Cole Senior Account Manager Boise Technology www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 410 796-0714 CUSTOMER SERVICE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM 1-800-525-9500 FAX 1-800-952-9084 Boise. It couldn't be easier. >>> "Tanner, Linda" 10/10/00 08:28AM >>> Does anyone know of a local shop that carries Gerbing products - like jacket liners and controllers? TIA LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 09:47:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9ADkwK22848 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 13609 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 06:46:43 -0700 Received: from 1Cust191.tnt25.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.36.12.191) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 06:46:43 -0700 X-Sent: 10 Oct 2000 13:46:43 GMT Message-ID: <000701c032c0$a23eace0$bf0c243f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Mike T" Cc: Subject: i saw that! Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:47:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 don't think I didn't see your post...thanks to your suggestion about setting up a hotmail account for the DC Cycles web site, I get the digest there even though I unsubscribed my daily account! ;-) feel free to party at my house, just clean up (and don't forget to get the mail ;-)! lol... From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 09:55:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ADtfK23090 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4G1NRRTG>; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:56:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'t5tech@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'xl-list@XXXXXX'" , "'zx@XXXXXX'" , "'bmwmc@XXXXXX'" , "'cbr-digest@XXXXXX'" , "'cog@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:56:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Just when you thought things had degenerated to the lowest level... Crash (Reaching for the telephone as I punch "send".) Peoples Republic of Alexandria AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" -----Original Message-----From: don draper ----- Motorcycle Riders Foundation -- E-MAIL ALERT PO BOX 1808, Washington, DC 20013-1808 202-546-0983 (voice) 202-546-0986 (fax) eMAIL to: wyld@XXXXXX or the Website @ www.mrf.org (website) GOOD CHARACTER OF AMERICAN BIKERS ATTACKED Friday, October 6, 2000 This is an urgent call to action for all MRF members and members of State Motorcyclists' Rights Organizations nationwide. Last night, on television stations serving our nation's capitol, a new commercial aired which advocated the re-election of U.S. Senator Chuck Robb (D-Va) who is running against former Virginia Governor George Allen (R). In the commercial, paid for by the Virginia Democratic Party, while the narrator grimly discusses gun and crime issues, Allen is shown shaking hands with bikers. Leather and Harley-Davidson (tm) logos are clearly visible. The spot closes with a worried mother watching her child walk to school alone. According to the Washington Post, "The new ad opens with a hand pulling a black gun out of a case, then the image switches to Allen shaking hands with two men, one in black leather, the other in camouflage. Both wear Harley-Davidson insignia....Ominous-sounding piano music plays throughout." The Motorcycle Riders Foundation views this ad campaign as blatant fear mongering that besmirches the good character and image of American bikers by juxtaposition of a grim narration about guns and crime. Using video sleight of hand, this commercial, which seeks to woo Virginia Women to vote for Senator Robb's reelection, essentially suggests that law-abiding American motorcyclists are somehow undesirable, people to be feared. To make matters worse, this malicious attack on our character is being broadcast, repeatedly, into the homes of Senators and Congressman who live in Washington, D.C., and nearby suburbs in Maryland and Virginia. That means this attack sullies the reputation of riders in the minds of the families of Congressmen and Senators from every state in the union. And the attack on our character will continue -- for weeks unless you act now. I. Call the office of U.S. Senator Chuck Robb at 202-224-4024. Be mannerly but firm in expressing your outrage and ask him to tell the Virginia Democratic Party to pull the ad and apologize to American motorcyclists. 2. Call the campaign offices of "Robb for Senate" at (703) 960-7622 and express the same message. 3. Call at least 3 other riders, explain this attack and urge them to make similar phone calls. Be prepared: the staffers you speak to may disavow knowledge of the commercial. Because it is paid for by the Virginia Democratic Party, staffers may suggest you call that organization. In response, you should explain that, regardless of who is paying for the ad campaign, Senator Robb is benefiting from it at the expense of our reputation. Explain that you are rightfully lodging your objections with the beneficiary of the attack campaign -- Senator Chuck Robb -- and requesting that he take immediate action, call off the defamation and apologize. With gratitude for taking this important stand in defending our reputation, I remain, Yours for the right to ride - and for the protection of our character; Thomas C. Wyld Vice-President of Government Relations Motorcycle Riders Foundation From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 10:04:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AE4EK23523 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16660 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:03:59 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001010095924.00dffd90@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:03:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: FW: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed "The Motorcycle Riders Foundation views this ad campaign as blatant fear mongering that besmirches the good character and image of American bikers by juxtaposition of a grim narration about guns and crime. Using video sleight of hand, this commercial, which seeks to woo Virginia Women to vote for Senator Robb's reelection, essentially suggests that law-abiding American motorcyclists are somehow undesirable, people to be feared." Sorry, but the Harley guys have brought this image on themselves over the years. Just like sportbikers suffer for the sins of the squid. I don't get the impression that the average American fears me, a motorcyclist, or confuses me with "a biker". Funny thing is that Daytona bike week is typically held without incident. Myrtle Beach Harley week is almost always peaceful, yet the sportbike week held after it is filled with violence every year. Anything to get Robb out of office though. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 10:04:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AE4rK23557 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24582 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9708.mail.yahoo.com (web9708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.166]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA23928 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001010140444.70020.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9708.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:04:44 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:04:44 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: re: Anyone going to Bike Night in the Reston or Leesburg area ????? To: fj1100@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If no one else has volunteered yet, I could pick it up, but I am stuck here in Herndon until 4:30. Rich Gary wrote... >>>>> I have the Summit Point Video and it can be picked up at either Reston or Leesburg. I can't make it, but I sent a copy with my wife to her office in Reston (right off the toll rd.). Is there anyone who can pick up the tape and take it with them?<<<<< __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 10:13:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from Draco.house.gov (draco.house.gov [143.231.86.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AECfK23848 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by Draco.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id KAA21641 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:10:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Draco.house.gov: smap set sender to SIZE=76277 using -f Received: from ims02.house.gov(143.231.32.178) by Draco via smap id xma021623; Tue, 10 Oct 00 10:10:36 -0400 Received: by ims02.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:12:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Biker Bash Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:12:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) For all those interested: > <> > > Subject: Biker Bash > > > BikerPAC is having the First Annual Biker Bash on October 10th, at the > Music City Roadhouse. BikerPAC is a political action committee that is > bipartisan and contributes to state and federal candidates that share and > support the fundamental philosophy of "rider's rights". > It should be a blast and anyone is welcome. It is $50 bucks, but there will get you a year membership in the PAC and pay for all your drinks Tuesday > night. There will be a band, door prizes, a raffle and more. It starts > at 7:00pm and will go until closing. > > Attached is an invitation that has all the info. Please forward to anyone > you think would be interested. > > Please RSVP by email to snelson@XXXXXX or call 202-682-5395. > > Thanks- > Marcus > begin 600 BikerPAC Biker Bash invite 9.14.00 2.doc MT,\1X*&Q&N$`````````````````````/@`#`/[_"0`&```````````````! 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M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M______________________________________________________\!`/[_ M`PH``/____\&"0(``````,````````!&&````$UI8W)O Received: from gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AEIVK23948 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA27812; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:19:16 -0400 Message-ID: <39E3256D.6F60B049@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:19:25 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Preludef2@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: how do I unsubscribe? References: <29.b32019d.2713d661@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Preludef2@XXXXXX wrote: > how do i unsubscribe from this mailing list?? If it's like any other MC list that I'm on, you gotta' buy us all the Motorcycle of our choice. I'll take a '01 GSXR1000 in blue & white. ;) Thanks, Steve Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 10:31:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9AEVTK24176 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001010143106.16127.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.208] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:31:06 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:31:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: u.s. 250 West To: iefbrfourteen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- iefbrfourteen wrote: > I will second that "Oh...my...god" US 250 West out of > Bridgeport Ohio is ridiculously twisty. > > I stopped in Wheeling, WBGV to check oil and tire > pressure. While I worked, I was talking with a guy > wearing a polo shirt with the logo of a certain > American motorcycle embroidered onto the breast. I > told him I was going to take 250 West, and he warned > me that it was dangerous (really). Too many damn > turns, he said (I'm not making this up). > > I thought it was probably the best motorcycling road I > have ever been on. Some day I hope to be able to > compare it to Deal's Gap. they really don't compare that well....129 down at deal's gap is MUCH tighter in spots, and the turns just keep coming (long after you wish they would stop). additionally, there isn't much elevation change down on that tn/nc run, while on 250 you're basically crossing range after range. the great thing about 250 is you get an excellent break after each set of twisties. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 10:45:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AEjeK24401 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA02555 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:40:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: RE: FW: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:45:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001010095924.00dffd90@mail.wheatintl.com> Actually, this is incorrect. There are almost always fatalities during Daytona, due not to motorcycle crashes alone, but also drunken fights. When I was at Biketoberfest last year, I recall hearing that two or three people were killed. This is, of course, in a crowd of thousands, so you could argue that the same number of fatalities would have happened even if the event never took place. I have to agree that Harley folks can't have it both ways - they act the "outlaw" with the bizarre outfits and loud pipes and then bitch and moan when someone uses it against them. Regards, Chris Weaver -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:04 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial Funny thing is that Daytona bike week is typically held without incident. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 10:50:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AEokK24480 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va7-21.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.149]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18374; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E3587E.7ADDF26@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:57:18 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial References: <4.2.0.58.20001010095924.00dffd90@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So would this be a good time to start a gun thread? %^) Chuck Troutman wrote: > > Sorry, but the Harley guys have brought this image on themselves over the > years. Just like sportbikers suffer for the sins of the squid. > > I don't get the impression that the average American fears me, a > motorcyclist, or confuses me with "a biker". Funny thing is that Daytona > bike week is typically held without incident. Myrtle Beach Harley week is > almost always peaceful, yet the sportbike week held after it is filled with > violence every year. > > Anything to get Robb out of office though. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 11:01:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9AF10K24738 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001010150051.131.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:00:51 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:00:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: FW: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial To: Chuck Pena , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chuck Pena wrote: > So would this be a good time to start a gun thread? %^) > > Chuck No! Sorry, but according to my DC-Cycles Calendar, the gun thread is not scheduled to be activated again until next February. The next scheduled reoccuring thread is Oil... now that it's getting colder... *duck and run* Sorry, my bike is temporarily out of commission (hole in the cooling system, sending coolent onto engine... nice smoke) so I gotta let all this energy out somewhere... 8^) Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 11:01:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AF1oK24752 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24882 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25658 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA00216 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:09:53 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: Anyone going to Bike Night in the Reston or Leesburg area ????? Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:56:07 -0400 Message-ID: <00e901c032ca$384c9720$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20001010140444.70020.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal She leaves at 3:00 (Crap!) > -----Original Message----- > From: iefbrfourteen [mailto:iefbr142000@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 10:05 AM > To: fj1100@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: re: Anyone going to Bike Night in the Reston or Leesburg area > ????? > > > If no one else has volunteered yet, I could pick it > up, but I am stuck here in Herndon until 4:30. > > Rich > > > Gary wrote... > >>>>> I have the Summit Point Video and it can be > picked up at either Reston or Leesburg. I can't make > it, but I sent a copy with my > wife to her office in Reston (right off the toll > rd.). Is there anyone who can pick up the tape and > take it with them?<<<<< > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 11:10:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AFAvK24839 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: intcache03.uu.net [153.39.7.42]) id QQjkhw24234 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:10:55 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjkhw28329 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:10:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Cool new bike. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/news.asp?page=Latest+News&id=1149 -- Sean Jordan Macintosh Systems Analyst (703)-886-7661 UUNET Technologies, Inc. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 11:40:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AFeQK25372 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va7-21.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.149]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21830; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E36424.580C3D2C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:47:00 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cool new bike. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is definitely way, way cool! %^) I want one! For those that don't know about hub-center steering, one of the Brit m/c mags tested a similar bike (maybe even the same one) either earlier this year or late last year and said the thing had absolutely amazing handling characterstics. Sean Jordan wrote: > > http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/news.asp?page=Latest+News&id=1149 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 11:53:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9AFrQK25601 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27381 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2000 15:53:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20001010155321.27380.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.151.168.41] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:53:21 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:53:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: RR3 write up To: RMccre5861@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maryland ride? Woo hoo!!! Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E --- RMccre5861@XXXXXX wrote: > > > James And Laura You guys did a great job for the > ride, > > James your pace on the ride was very good, nice and > relaxed ! I thought you > were taking us to bike school when we went into the > school parking lot? I > tell you what a Honda CBR 1000 is a heavy handful in > some of these corners. > Need to practice on some free weights! > > Once again Thanks for a Great ride > > PS Is anyone interested in a Maryland ride? if so I > will arrange one just > let me know > > Richard McCreadie. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! 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M`0`!`!<````5````!8E%```.`````0(``0`8````%0````6"10``!P````$# M``$`&````!4````%GT4```P````!!``!`!@````5````!9=%```(`````04` M`0`8````%0````5S10``#P```!C__Z1#3:5(9'+7```!``(```"L10``%`$` !``== ` end From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 12:14:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9AGE3K25922 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001010161351.22590.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.208] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:13:51 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:13:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: re: long ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii original delivery of this failed... --- Kevin Bechtel wrote: > To Tom Gimer, I noticed you might be interested in a > 200-400 mi. day west. That's cool ! I've been wanting to > lead a ride to West Va. and back for some time now , but > can seem to find any interested parties. I have done some > riding there and can lead a full day of twisties. The > only deterrent other than the weather( keeping in mind we > might be at 4000' ) would be the length of the days now. > It would be tough to get that many miles in during > daylight hrs. Perhaps in the next "warm season" we could > put together a two day excursion. ... one day to get > there and back, and one day of riding there. we have set up camp 'home bases' at seneca rocks and princeton and done some exploring....would love to hear suggestions for other 'home base' campgrounds reachable from dc area in one day that would enable us to explore other parts of the state > I couldn't > make the ride this past Saturday due to my sons football > game. However, I don't winterize my bike so I'll be out > there whenever the weather and time permits. i don't winterize either....this ain't canada! i'm sure we'll hook up on a nice day soon for some shredding -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 12:19:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9707.mail.yahoo.com (web9707.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9AGJlK26001 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001010161939.16115.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9707.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:19:39 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:19:39 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: PLEASE!!!! To: Seth.Haring@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Seth. Please. That's the second time today you have polluted the list with an attachment. If you want to send a Word doc, copy the text and paste it (as text) into your emal. It is bad to send attachments because... 1. People in digest mode can't read it (and I would really like to know what the AMA had to say). 2. It comes through as a really huge amount of annoying garbage, ie... M5V]R9%!R;PW[```````````%F%R!<@,`0,S!O_^]^5"9B0,*`+0:V$X"`%:2 ML($1```&`!8`7'DCAPP(*'+>@*!2!@\=$$;2L"GS@H@1(4^^ANUU M]ZGVMP@00'HC`$"+C'I#!X&XG,TA!Y%X+UL"(A(W!`!XB$ATVIQ0&8FW`@!X MDIT8`*"5O#D``"]Y@P"`9;F)5\?Q-[_)W#<'F$:BTX*$-MEIRQ1I\KTY6,GW!K`GWUO2Q)'(87.,DYU,K+2)Q`T%`'S) MFPH`B),W%@`PH$C4W)P?'8F:F_.F(]')!0`NR4Z;DY]\PP!`*?G>G!<>B;<, M`,Q0)&XT`!!$D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 13:00:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AH02K26702 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:59:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200010101259.AA25100724@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "Haring, Seth" Subject: Re: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial -- AMA response X-Mailer: Okay, I give up. What format is "lwp"? thanks, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Haring, Seth" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:58:05 -0400 > >Here is the AMA's response to the biker bashing: >> l >> >> <> >> Thanks, >> >> Here's AMA's letter on the subject. >> >> Ride Safely, >> >> Ed From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 13:05:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from indus.house.gov (indus.house.gov [143.231.86.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AH5GK26783 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by indus.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id MAA01483 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:49:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: indus.house.gov: smap set sender to SIZE=2092 using -f Received: from ims02.house.gov(143.231.32.178) by indus via smap id xma001479; Tue, 10 Oct 00 12:49:01 -0400 Received: by ims02.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:05:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial -- AMA response Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:05:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) okay, I apologize to all. I didn't mean to send two E-mails with attachments, well, I didn't mean to mess up everybody's E-mail. The suffix ".lwp" is for Lotus Word Pro document -- I was hoping somebody on the list would be able to decipher it and send it back to the group. Of course, I never really mentioned that part in my original E-mail. So here it is, my request: Can somebody please post this attachment so the rest of us can read it? I appreciate it very much. Seth > ---------- > From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Reply To: cnorloff@XXXXXX > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:59 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Haring, Seth > Subject: Re: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial -- AMA response > > Okay, I give up. What format is "lwp"? > > thanks, > Chris Norloff > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Haring, Seth" > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:58:05 -0400 > > > > >Here is the AMA's response to the biker bashing: > >> l > >> > >> <> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Here's AMA's letter on the subject. > >> > >> Ride Safely, > >> > >> Ed > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 13:30:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AHU8K27151 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25714 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA29303 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA02204; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:37:37 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "iefbrfourteen" Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Anyone going to Bike Night in the Reston or Leesburg area ????? Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:23:04 -0400 Message-ID: <011601c032de$bf5c4e40$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20001010140444.70020.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Thanks Rich. I hear the package was picked up. Hope you people at Bike Night enjoy. Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: iefbrfourteen [mailto:iefbr142000@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 10:05 AM > To: fj1100@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: re: Anyone going to Bike Night in the Reston or Leesburg area > ????? > > > If no one else has volunteered yet, I could pick it > up, but I am stuck here in Herndon until 4:30. > > Rich > > > Gary wrote... > >>>>> I have the Summit Point Video and it can be > picked up at either Reston or Leesburg. I can't make > it, but I sent a copy with my > wife to her office in Reston (right off the toll > rd.). Is there anyone who can pick up the tape and > take it with them?<<<<< > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 13:39:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mail.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AHdpK27239 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JLange9901@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.27.bef0347 (4592) for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:39:38 -0400 (EDT) From: JLange9901@XXXXXX Message-ID: <27.bef0347.2714ae5a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:39:38 EDT Subject: 2 up riding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 I'm looking for suggestions for 2 up riding. My current bike (Bandit 600) is marginal for this and I'm curious as to experiences others may have had with sport touring rigs. Thanks! Jack Lange From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 13:57:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9AHvmK27554 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001010175741.20247.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.208] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:57:41 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:57:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 2 up riding To: JLange9901@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- JLange9901@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm looking for suggestions for 2 up riding. My current > bike (Bandit 600) is marginal for this and I'm curious as > to experiences others may have had with sport touring > rigs. > > Thanks! > > Jack Lange Jack: You're likely to get responses to the effect that 1) the Honda ST1100 is the cream of the Japanese sport-touring crop; and that 2) the Kawasaki Concours does everything the the ST does, but for less. You'll be able to tell quite clearly who owns which bike from the responses! Both bikes are overdue for a redesign, and at least a new Honda version is forthcoming. Triumph makes a good sport-tourer in the Sprint ST ... but it does look an awful lot like a Kan-O-Tuna. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 14:01:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com (oak.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9AI1XK27641 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA04309; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:00:40 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa00429; Tue, 10 Oct 00 13:57:04 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0G2800D7U7CQ0D@XXXXXX>; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256974.0062A546 ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:57:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:52:05 -0400 Subject: Re: 2 up riding To: JLange9901@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256974.0062891A.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL What kinds of suggestions? Are you implying you want recommendations for a different bike? Do you mean route suggestions, luggage suggestions, advise to give a passenger? How to install one of those vibrating seat thingys? --chris JLange9901@XXXXXX on 10/10/2000 01:39:38 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: 2 up riding I'm looking for suggestions for 2 up riding. My current bike (Bandit 600) is marginal for this and I'm curious as to experiences others may have had with sport touring rigs. Thanks! Jack Lange ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 14:08:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3606.mail.yahoo.com (web3606.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9AI8KK27720 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001010180808.4470.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.35.160.32] by web3606.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:08:08 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:08:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: 2 up riding To: JLange9901@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How comfy are you looking to get? My VFR800 is great two up riding. I've had passengers back there for 450 miles in a day without completely being dead. Of course I do have a Corbin seat but I don't think its that much better then the stock seat as far as comfort. Glenn --- JLange9901@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm looking for suggestions for 2 up riding. My > current bike (Bandit 600) > is marginal for this and I'm curious as to > experiences others may have > had with sport touring rigs. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 14:08:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AI8WK27730 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26060 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9703.mail.yahoo.com (web9703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.139]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA00311 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001010180823.87838.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9703.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:08:23 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:08:23 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: RE: Anyone going to Bike Night in the Reston or Leesburg area ????? To: Gary Foreman Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No problem. Assuming I don't get lost, I should be there around 6:30. Should we have a drinking contest to see who gets to keep it? ;) Rich --- Gary Foreman wrote: > Thanks Rich. I hear the package was picked up. > Hope you people at Bike > Night enjoy. > > Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: iefbrfourteen [mailto:iefbr142000@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 10:05 AM > > To: fj1100@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: re: Anyone going to Bike Night in the > Reston or Leesburg area > > ????? > > > > > > If no one else has volunteered yet, I could pick > it > > up, but I am stuck here in Herndon until 4:30. > > > > Rich > > > > > > Gary wrote... > > >>>>> I have the Summit Point Video and it can be > > picked up at either Reston or Leesburg. I can't > make > > it, but I sent a copy with my > > wife to her office in Reston (right off the toll > > rd.). Is there anyone who can pick up the tape > and > > take it with them?<<<<< > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 14:15:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web122.yahoomail.com (web122.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.57]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9AIFrK27898 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23399 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2000 18:15:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20001010181549.23398.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.233.199.119] by web122.yahoomail.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:15:49 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:15:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Beck Subject: RE: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial -- AMA response To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wouldn't it make sense to just cut the text from your Lotus document and paste it into the body of your DC-Cycles message? Government workers! Sheesh! ;-) Steve --- "Haring, Seth" wrote: > > okay, I apologize to all. I didn't mean to send two > E-mails with > attachments, well, I didn't mean to mess up > everybody's E-mail. The suffix > ".lwp" is for Lotus Word Pro document -- I was > hoping somebody on the list > would be able to decipher it and send it back to the > group. Of course, I > never really mentioned that part in my original > E-mail. So here it is, my > request: > > Can somebody please post this attachment so the rest > of us can read it? > > I appreciate it very much. > > Seth > > > ---------- > > From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > > Reply To: cnorloff@XXXXXX > > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:59 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Haring, Seth > > Subject: Re: Anti-Motorcyclist political > commercial -- AMA response > > > > Okay, I give up. What format is "lwp"? > > > > thanks, > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > > From: "Haring, Seth" > > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:58:05 -0400 > > > > > > > >Here is the AMA's response to the biker bashing: > > >> l > > >> > > >> <> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> Here's AMA's letter on the subject. > > >> > > >> Ride Safely, > > >> > > >> Ed > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 15:11:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e24.nc.us.ibm.com (e24.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AJBnK28744 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e24.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA49052; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:13:26 -0500 Received: from d04nms69.raleigh.ibm.com (d04nms69nms70.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.69]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.93) with ESMTP id PAA37376; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:11:32 -0400 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial -- AMA response To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Seth.Haring@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 (Intl) 21 March 2000 Message-ID: From: "Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:11:31 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D04NMS69/04/M/IBM(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 10/10/2000 03:11:32 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry all, I deleted the original already. The file is a Lotus Word Pro document. If somebody wants to re-send it to me, I'll cut and paste it into a note so everybody can read it. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 "Chris Norloff" on 10/10/2000 12:59:54 PM Please respond to To: , "Haring, Seth" cc: Subject: Re: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial -- AMA response Okay, I give up. What format is "lwp"? thanks, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Haring, Seth" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:58:05 -0400 > >Here is the AMA's response to the biker bashing: >> l >> >> <> >> Thanks, >> >> Here's AMA's letter on the subject. >> >> Ride Safely, >> >> Ed From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 16:29:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AKTWK29920 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-4.patriot.net [209.249.181.4]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9AKTAe22284; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:29:10 -0400 Message-ID: <39E37BBB.81FF3417@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:27:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JLange9901@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding References: <27.bef0347.2714ae5a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lemme see, I've done 2-ups on a Kawi 250 triple, a Honda 360 twin, a Suzuki 550 UJM, and a my present scoot, a Harley FHLS. The Kawai sucked because it sucked, crappy handling. the Honda was a challange, the Suzuki was cool, and the Harley as well. A 600 is plenty, not even close to marginal in my opinion, assuming the gross passenger wieght isn't in the buffalo butt range. Bill JLange9901@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm looking for suggestions for 2 up riding. My current bike (Bandit 600) > is marginal for this and I'm curious as to experiences others may have > had with sport touring rigs. > > Thanks! > > Jack Lange From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 16:59:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mail.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AKxFK00530 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id r.3a.b74d2f7 (15901); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web44.aolmail.aol.com (web44.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.5]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:53:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:53:52 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <3a.b74d2f7.2714dbe0@aol.com> I thought the next scheduled thread was "how do I winterize my bike?" LOL Scooter In a message dated Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:03:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Louis F. Caplan" writes: << --- Chuck Pena wrote: > So would this be a good time to start a gun thread? %^) > > Chuck No! Sorry, but according to my DC-Cycles Calendar, the gun thread is not scheduled to be activated again until next February. The next scheduled reoccuring thread is Oil... now that it's getting colder... *duck and run* Sorry, my bike is temporarily out of commission (hole in the cooling system, sending coolent onto engine... nice smoke) so I gotta let all this energy out somewhere... 8^) Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 17:25:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ALPbK00934 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA22929 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:26:32 -0400 Message-ID: <39E38995.BE565665@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:26:45 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: [Fwd: [Suzuki-bikes] [URGENT/HIGH PRIORITY] The freedom of a 8yr old is at stake] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F23985DAADD36E10F178A919" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F23985DAADD36E10F178A919 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DC-C'ers Can anybody help out my friend Jean-Duc Villareal (AKA Brainless) out with his problem? Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org --------------F23985DAADD36E10F178A919 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from lomond.pro-libertate.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.242.70.68]) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA16105 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:30:49 -0400 Received: from lomond.pro-libertate.com (IDENT:mail@XXXXXX [127.0.0.1]) by lomond.pro-libertate.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20229; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:51:37 -0500 Received: from medtron.medtronic.com (medtron.medtronic.COM [144.15.157.122]) by lomond.pro-libertate.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20222 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:51:33 -0500 Received: from earthling.net (win95018137.pace.medtronic.COM [144.15.18.137]) by medtron.medtronic.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9AIcmb00305 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:38:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39E366A0.7B528336@earthling.net> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:57:36 -0500 From: Brainless Reply-To: brainless@XXXXXX Organization: Medtronic, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD MDT (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suzi Town Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Suzuki-bikes] [URGENT/HIGH PRIORITY] The freedom of a 8yr old is at stake Sender: suzuki-bikes-admin@XXXXXX Errors-To: suzuki-bikes-admin@XXXXXX X-BeenThere: suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Owners of Suzuki brand motorcycles X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 All, and Europe too! Not too Suzuki based but this is for the sake of a child in the verge of being banned from riding a motorcycle behind his father. I need all of you help gathering data! I need to "prove" that motorcycling is a safe transportation including in Europe. Here is my take from Data mining class. Raw data doesn't mean anything, but if one can interpret it the way one wants to. We all know that most motorcycle crashes involve injury, but like the US DOT who rates airplanes the safest means of transportation, I want to turn that around and see if we can come up with data that will actually help me keep Alex (my son) the freedom of choosing if he wants to ride the bike or take the car. Let me explain how The US DOT came up with the airplane being the safest transportation in the world: Percentage. All plane crashes have injury if not death. But the number of passenger using airplane in a year vs number of crash/death is minimal. Does AMA have anything about that? ABATE? I am asking about ABATE because this involves a case of divorce and the mother is requesting that the child never go on the motorcycle any longer when he's been on it extensively for the past 5 years. Any links, help or hints would be most appreciated. Also Has there been any other divorce case in such anywhere. -- +=JVD=+ "Be joyful always" 1 Thes 5:16 --------------------------------------------- Brainless Sr Software Engineer @ Medtronic, Inc. AMA - Member CMA - RevElations Suzuki Owners Club USA - www.soc-usa.org 1997 Suzuki RF900RV 1986 Yamaha FZX 700 Fazer --------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Suzuki-bikes maillist - Suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX http://lomond.pro-libertate.com/mailman/listinfo/suzuki-bikes http://fatman.pro-libertate.com/suzuki/owners.html Please note size of any picture on the subject line. --------------F23985DAADD36E10F178A919-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 19:08:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9AN83K02567 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-244-13.s648.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.244.13] helo=twincam) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13j8UW-0004Fl-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:07:24 -0400 Message-ID: <024c01c0330f$3b77b200$0df47ad1@twincam> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: AMA Community Council Notice - US Senate Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:10:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I hope this helps clear up the problem with the attachment. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 15:34 Subject: AMA Community Council Notice - US Senate SITUATION Motorcyclists all over the country are angry and disappointed about the negative link US Senator Charles Robb (D-VA) is making between guns, criminal activity and motorcyclists. A disappointing campaign advertisement, aired by the Virginia Democratic Coordinated Campaign attacks Virginia Governor George Allen's (Robb's opponent in a US Senate race) position on gun control. The ad depicts the Governor conversing with a motorcyclist dressed in a black leather vest adorned with a Harley-Davidson patch, while a voice over talks about the use of assault weapons in the state of Virginia. The American Motorcyclist Association (AMA), the Motorcycle Riders Foundation and other concerned motorcycling organizations have reacted strongly stating that motorcyclists are no more likely to commit a crime, with or without a gun, than any other member of the community. Indeed, the average motorcyclist is 38 years old, married, has attended college and has an income of $44,250 per year. That's a far cry from the image that the commercial would lead people to believe. According to Department of Motor Vehicle statistics, Virginia is home to nearly a quarter of a million licensed motorcycle riders. Riders who vote. After initial conversations with Senator Robb's campaign staff expressed a willingness to "pixel out" the Harley-Davidson logo. While this token remedial tactic may prevent a suit by Harley-Davidson, it by no means excuses him from culpability in the implication that motorcyclists are a dangerous element. In an effort to cast aspersions upon his opponent, Robb has irresponsibly cast a shadow over motorcyclists. A shadow that serves only to exacerbate the artificial and stereotypical impression of motorcyclists as miscreants and outlaws. Senator Robb's insistence upon the inclusion of a motorcyclist in his ad shows a reckless disregard for a large segment of the electorate in his home state, and the AMA has demanded that he alter the commercial so it no longer uses a motorcyclist to make his points on gun control or any other issue. Additionally, the AMA has asked for a letter from Senator Robb apologizing to the riders of Virginia for using the negative image of motorcyclists to strike fear into the electorate to further his political agenda. WHAT TO DO All motorcyclists should call and write the Robb and Virginia Democratic campaigns and express your contempt for this shameless cheap-shot at your character. Provide brief, polite and concise comment. Let the campaign know that this method of fear mongering is objectionable. Print this notice and distribute it at local motorcycle shops, and among all motorcycle riders and encourage them to provide comment as well. Contact Robb For Senate at 703/960-7622 or the Virginia Democratic Coordinated Campaign at 703/960-7500 Letters can be sent to: Kendra-Sue Derby, Virginia Coordinated Campaign Director, 5834 A North Kings Highway, Alexandria, VA 22303 or fax her at 703/960-7300. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT Edward Moreland, AMA Washington Rep at 202-682-4750 or at edmoreland.ama@XXXXXX ****************************************** Terry Lee Cook Government Relations Specialist American Motorcyclist Association 13515 Yarmouth Drive Pickerington, Ohio 43147 http://www.AMADirectlink.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 20:55:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9B0tNK04248 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id VAA00697; Tue, 10 Oct 1972 21:01:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1972 21:01:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: GS250 for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Suzuki GS-250 twin, 1981, 2721 mi. Great city (especially jammed up traffic!) and beginner's bike. Ok for 'burbs; top speed about 75, but probably too small for beltway. 50 mpg (half in DC rush (sic) hour traffic). Missing one side cover. $800. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 22:22:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smyk.apk.net (smyk.apk.net [207.54.158.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9B2MGK06132 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from junior.apk.net (junior.apk.net [207.54.158.20]) by smyk.apk.net (8.11.0/8.11.0/apk.990812+rchk1.22+bspm1.13.1.5a) with ESMTP id e9B2DFK15938; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by junior.apk.net (8.11.0/8.11.0/rchk1.22) id e9B2D9P09180; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:13:09 -0400 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: Tom Gimer Cc: JLange9901@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding Message-ID: <20001010221309.B6206@kleks.org> References: <20001010175741.20247.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <20001010175741.20247.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com>; from Tom Gimer on Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 10:57:41AM -0700 * Tom Gimer (t_gimer@XXXXXX) [001010 14:04]: Tom, you dog - You know that XX kicks ass (at least i rember one ZX-11 giving up to an XX with a scared pillon...) :-) _zjt Seriously, look at XX - for 2 with luggage, it is a rocket sled on rails. _zjt > --- JLange9901@XXXXXX wrote: > > I'm looking for suggestions for 2 up riding. My current > > bike (Bandit 600) is marginal for this and I'm curious as > > > to experiences others may have had with sport touring > > rigs. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jack Lange > > Jack: > You're likely to get responses to the effect that 1) the > Honda ST1100 is the cream of the Japanese sport-touring > crop; and that 2) the Kawasaki Concours does everything the > the ST does, but for less. You'll be able to tell quite > clearly who owns which bike from the responses! Both bikes > are overdue for a redesign, and at least a new Honda > version is forthcoming. > > Triumph makes a good sport-tourer in the Sprint ST ... but > it does look an awful lot like a Kan-O-Tuna. > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 10 23:32:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9B3W9K07258 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.163.112.243] ([24.163.112.243]) by mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:31:40 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:42:01 -0400 Subject: Robb's New Ad From: David Cross To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20001010221309.B6206@kleks.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I just saw the campaign ad in question again and they blacked out the H-D logo, and I didn't see any motorcycles in the background. Dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 02:08:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9B684K10630 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001011060607.10216.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.45] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:06:07 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:06:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: RE: FW: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chris- True there are fatalities at Bike Week & Biketoberfest in Daytona..most of which are due to car/motorcycle contact. Perhaps there are fights on occasion - but they rarely result in fatalities and the fights themselves are with no more increased occurrence than at any large gathering where activities involve alcohol consumption. Of the fights that take place, most are between the "weekend warriors" and not members of an outlaw MC club who generally observe the "No [MC club] Colors and No Attitude rule" when requested by event organizers and/or saloons. Additionally, outlaw MC club members will follow their own Club "Code of Conduct" which recommends that violent interaction between rival outlaw club members be avoided - as it can quickly result in an escalation of violence between the MC clubs. I've spoken with bar and restaurant owners in Myrtle and Daytona who unanimously agree that they enjoy having the bikers in town in contrast with the Sport Bike events where some wished they could "roll up the streets and take a weeks vacation." As far as Bikers wearing "bizarre" outfits..I guess that is really in the eye of the beholder. Sure it attracts fetishist who use the motorcycle arena as an excuse to indulge in some fantasy..generally the wildest gettups are on the weekend warriors. The veteran bikers generally wear gear that is comfortable, durable, & and is suitable for layering for a variety of climate and riding conditions.. I somewhat agree on the loud pipe comment though. It may be the single most common complaint and definitely a point of contention among citizens. It certainly does not endear bikers to individuals who do not appreciate motorcycles in the first place. I'm headin' for Biketoberfest on Wednesday or Thursday..I'll do my own annall..anaalliy...analyssss...[hic]...I'll do a friggin' poll while I'm there. :-p -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS --- Christopher Weaver wrote: > Actually, this is incorrect. There are almost always > fatalities during > Daytona, due not to motorcycle crashes alone, but > also drunken fights. > > When I was at Biketoberfest last year, I recall > hearing that two or three > people were killed. This is, of course, in a crowd > of thousands, so you > could argue that the same number of fatalities would > have happened even if > the event never took place. > > I have to agree that Harley folks can't have it both > ways - they act the > "outlaw" with the bizarre outfits and loud pipes and > then bitch and moan > when someone uses it against them. > > Regards, > Chris Weaver > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:04 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: FW: Anti-Motorcyclist political > commercial > > Funny thing is that Daytona > bike week is typically held without incident. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 05:04:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9B94kK13522 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-244-13.s648.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.244.13] helo=twincam) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13jHoW-0002DD-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:04:40 -0400 Message-ID: <02ab01c03362$a0ffbca0$0df47ad1@twincam> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: Virginia Campaign Alert UPDATE Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:07:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02A8_01C03341.194F6BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02A8_01C03341.194F6BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charlie Williams=20 To: webmaster@XXXXXX=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 22:30 Subject: Virginia Campaign Alert UPDATE Motorcycle Riders Foundation -- E-MAIL ALERT 10/10/00 PO BOX 1808, Washington, DC 20013-1808 202-546-0983 (voice) 202-546-0986 (fax) wyld@XXXXXX (e-mail) http://www.mrf.org (website) If you wish to be removed from this mailing list, reply and put "REMOVE" = in subject line. RE: MRF RIDERS' ALERT of Friday, October 6, 2000=20 GOOD CHARACTER OF AMERICAN BIKERS ATTACKED Status as of Tuesday, 10 October, at 12:08 PM Eastern.=20 There have been major developments this morning regarding the malicious = attack on the reputation of American bikers by the Virginia Democratic = Party for the sake of Senator Chuck Robb's reelection effort. I would = strongly recommend everyone take time to read this message in its = entirety.=20 To review, our callers and Ed Moreland of AMA received indications as = early as this past Saturday (7 October) that the commercial, running on = the major network affiliates serving D.C., Northern Virginia and = Maryland, would be changed by obscuring the Harley-Davidson logo clearly = visible on the back of a biker's leather vest, a biker on whom the = camera lingers for far too long, given the pace of the video track.=20 As reported last night, however, the commercial ran yesterday without = the promised change. (I personally viewed the spot on the CBS affiliate = at about noon, 3:30 PM and again at about 5 PM)=20 Also yesterday, several of our members reported that they were referred = by Robb's office to the Virginia Democratic Party. As you'll recall, our = members have taken the approach that they call Senator Robb's office and = also the office of his campaign requesting that the Senator himself take = action, intercede and call a halt to this malicious campaign.=20 Staffers with the Virginia Democratic Party told our people that "...all = video of bikers would be deleted...".=20 Today, however, results of any change are spotty. I saw the commercial = on the NBC affiliate at 10:24 with the H-D logo clearly visible. = Switching channels, I saw the spot again on the NBC affiliate, at 10:37, = without the H-D logo. (I must say, they did a good job in = post-production, as the resultant video is relatively clean of the = "pixeling out" phenomenon).=20 So there is some change afoot, but we have not yet seen any evidence on = the air that bikers have been totally removed from the picture, as many = of our people have been told by the Virginia Democratic Party.=20 This effort began (and, I'm confident, will end successfully) with = MRF/SMRO grassroots. The kick-off was made by Bill Gawthrop of Maryland = who saw the commercial and heard from an equally outraged friend. = Marylanders have continued to activate their members and supporters, by = phone, email and at the pro-rider-freedom rally held this past Sunday. = The effort went nationwide with our MRF RIDERS' ALERT last Friday which = sparked a flood of calls and emails from all over the country, from = Washington state to Arizona to Maine. I would not be the least bit = surprised if our friends and allies in Europe have made calls of = protest. Plus our effort has been amplified by the welcome, resolute = involvement of our friends at AMA.=20 I would be remiss if I didn't hail Brother George Crum of ABATE of = Virginia (Mason-Dixon Chapter) and Sister Kim Pace of ABATE of Virginia = (Olde Dominion Chapter) for their work. Kim's telephone inquiry of the = Virginia Democratic Party yielded this new, startling revelation:=20 - After Robb's office connected her with the Virginia Democratic Party, = Kim reported, "they took all credit for the ad. Robb was not aware of = the ad. Their excuse was it was a random photo used which just so = happened to have a biker in it at a gun rally, shaking Allen's hand." It = was appropriate, the campaign explained, "since Allen does not support = gun control at all."=20 - Unfortunately, none of this is true.=20 - The video in the commercial was captured not at a gun rally, but at = the Annual Bike Show in Orange, Virginia, June 17, sponsored by one of = the East Coast's biggest Harley dealers, Waugh Enterprises. This is = arguably the largest, yearly family event in the rural town of Orange, = complete with soft drinks and hot dogs for everyone and moon walks and = face-painting for the kids. Some 25,000 attended this year's family = fest, including myriad local politicians, Congressional Candidate Eric = Kantor (R) (Va-7) (endorsed by MRFPAC) and George Allen (who, now more = than ever, is endorsed by MRFPAC).=20 - Waugh Enterprises owner Mr. Don Waugh was called prior to the event by = a person representing himself as a producer with CNN who expressed the = desire to tape at the festival, as CNN had learned that Senate candidate = George Allen would be present, and CNN was doing a story on him. Waugh = granted CNN permission to attend and shoot footage. (The only other = video team present at the function, other than CNN, was a crew hired by = the TL Agency which provides advertising services to Waugh.) - Also among the 25,000 attending the function was a group of riders, at = least one of whom is a member of Abate of Maryland. This rider was = puzzled that a friend, a former rider, was tagging along toting his = video camera. The videographer was cagey about why he was bringing the = camera. Waugh made available to festival attendees small stickers with = the Waugh Enterprises name and the H-D bar and shield logo. Eyeing them, = the cameraman quickly slapped a Waugh/H-D sticker on his camera, = followed Allen and ran tape whenever the former governor was amongst = male bikers. At one point, CNN interviewed Mr. Waugh, but to the best of = everyone's recollection, no story aired on CNN.=20 - After the event, the Abate member pressured his camera-toting friend.=20 Why did he shoot the Orange event? After much prodding, the man fessed = up. A freelancer, he said he was hired by a company hired by Robb to = get footage of Allen with bikers.=20 I am in contact with Waugh Enterprises, and I have offered my assistance = to Mr. Waugh in seeking resolution of this tawdry situation.=20 I have placed a call to CNN Legal Counsel in Atlanta to determine = whether the network or any of its affiliates ever dispatched a crew to = Orange, Virginia, on June 17.=20 I will continue to keep all concerned advised.=20 Tom Wyld=20 I will keep all concerned advised, but at the very least, the commercial = must come down as deceitful in its inception as well as its execution.=20 Tom Wyld=20 Vice President for Government Relations=20 Motorcycle Riders Foundaiton.=20 Member, MRFPAC ------=_NextPart_000_02A8_01C03341.194F6BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

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RE:  MRF RIDERS’ = ALERT of=20 Friday, October 6, 2000
GOOD CHARACTER OF AMERICAN BIKERS=20 ATTACKED

Status as of Tuesday, 10 October, at 12:08 PM = Eastern.=20

There have been major developments this morning regarding the = malicious=20 attack on the reputation of American bikers by the Virginia Democratic = Party for=20 the sake of Senator Chuck Robb's reelection effort. I would strongly = recommend=20 everyone take time to read this message in its entirety.

To = review, our=20 callers and Ed Moreland of AMA received indications as early as this = past=20 Saturday (7 October) that the commercial, running on the major network=20 affiliates serving D.C., Northern Virginia and Maryland, would be = changed by=20 obscuring the Harley-Davidson logo clearly visible on the back of a = biker's=20 leather vest, a biker on whom the camera lingers for far too long, given = the=20 pace of the video track.

As reported last night, however, the = commercial=20 ran yesterday without the promised change. (I personally viewed the spot = on the=20 CBS affiliate at about noon, 3:30 PM and again at about 5 PM) =

Also=20 yesterday, several of our members reported that they were referred by = Robb's=20 office to the Virginia Democratic Party. As you'll recall, our members = have=20 taken the approach that they call Senator Robb's office and also the = office of=20 his campaign requesting that the Senator himself take action, intercede = and call=20 a halt to this malicious campaign.

Staffers with the Virginia = Democratic=20 Party told our people that “...all video of bikers would be = deleted...“.=20

Today, however, results of any change are spotty. I saw the = commercial=20 on the NBC affiliate at 10:24 with the H-D logo clearly visible. = Switching=20 channels, I saw the spot again on the NBC affiliate, at 10:37, without = the H-D=20 logo. (I must say, they did a good job in post-production, as the = resultant=20 video is relatively clean of the "pixeling out" phenomenon).

So = there is=20 some change afoot, but we have not yet seen any evidence on the air that = bikers=20 have been totally removed from the picture, as many of our people have = been told=20 by the Virginia Democratic Party.

This effort began (and, I'm = confident,=20 will end successfully) with MRF/SMRO grassroots. The kick-off was made = by Bill=20 Gawthrop of Maryland who saw the commercial and heard from an equally = outraged=20 friend. Marylanders have continued to activate their members and = supporters, by=20 phone, email and at the pro-rider-freedom rally held this past Sunday. = The=20 effort went nationwide with our MRF RIDERS' ALERT last Friday which = sparked a=20 flood of calls and emails from all over the country, from Washington = state to=20 Arizona to Maine. I would not be the least bit surprised if our friends = and=20 allies in Europe have made calls of protest. Plus our effort has been = amplified=20 by the welcome, resolute involvement of our friends at AMA.

I = would be=20 remiss if I didn't hail Brother George Crum of ABATE of Virginia = (Mason-Dixon=20 Chapter) and Sister Kim Pace of ABATE of Virginia (Olde Dominion = Chapter) for=20 their work. Kim's telephone inquiry of the Virginia Democratic Party = yielded=20 this new, startling revelation:

- After Robb's office connected = her with=20 the Virginia Democratic Party, Kim reported, "they took all credit for = the ad.=20 Robb was not aware of the ad. Their excuse was it was a random photo = used which=20 just so happened to have a biker in it at a gun rally, shaking Allen's = hand." It=20 was appropriate, the campaign explained, "since Allen does not support = gun=20 control at all."

- Unfortunately, none of this is true. =

- The=20 video in the commercial was captured not at a gun rally, but at the = Annual Bike=20 Show in Orange, Virginia, June 17, sponsored by one of the East Coast's = biggest=20 Harley dealers, Waugh Enterprises. This is arguably the largest, yearly = family=20 event in the rural town of Orange, complete with soft drinks and hot = dogs for=20 everyone and moon walks and face-painting for the kids. Some 25,000 = attended=20 this year's family fest, including myriad local politicians, = Congressional=20 Candidate Eric Kantor (R) (Va-7) (endorsed by MRFPAC) and George Allen = (who, now=20 more than ever, is endorsed by MRFPAC).

- Waugh Enterprises = owner Mr.=20 Don Waugh was called prior to the event by a person representing himself = as a=20 producer with CNN who expressed the desire to tape at the festival, as = CNN had=20 learned that Senate candidate George Allen would be present, and CNN was = doing a=20 story on him. Waugh granted CNN permission to attend and shoot footage. = (The=20 only other video team present at the function, other than CNN, was a = crew hired=20 by the TL Agency which provides advertising services to Waugh.)

- = Also=20 among the 25,000 attending the function was a group of riders, at least = one of=20 whom is a member of Abate of Maryland. This rider was puzzled that a = friend, a=20 former rider, was tagging along toting his video camera.  The = videographer=20 was cagey about why he was bringing the camera. Waugh made available to = festival=20 attendees small stickers with the Waugh Enterprises name and the H-D bar = and=20 shield logo. Eyeing them, the cameraman quickly slapped a Waugh/H-D = sticker on=20 his camera, followed Allen and ran tape whenever the former governor was = amongst=20 male bikers. At one point, CNN interviewed Mr. Waugh, but to the best of = everyone's recollection, no story aired on CNN.

- After the = event, the=20 Abate member pressured his camera-toting friend.
Why did he shoot = the Orange=20 event? After much prodding, the man fessed up.  A freelancer, he = said he=20 was hired by a company hired by Robb to get footage of Allen with = bikers.=20

I am in contact with Waugh Enterprises, and I have offered my = assistance=20 to Mr. Waugh in seeking resolution of this tawdry situation.

I = have=20 placed a call to CNN Legal Counsel in Atlanta to determine whether the = network=20 or any of its affiliates ever dispatched a crew to Orange, Virginia, on = June 17.=20

I will continue to keep all concerned advised.

Tom Wyld=20

I will keep all concerned advised, but at the very least, the = commercial=20 must come down as deceitful in its inception as well as its execution.=20

Tom Wyld
Vice President for Government Relations =
Motorcycle=20 Riders Foundaiton.
Member, MRFPAC

------=_NextPart_000_02A8_01C03341.194F6BA0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 08:08:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e24.nc.us.ibm.com (e24.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BC8TK16241 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e24.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA34492; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:10:15 -0500 Received: from d04nms69.raleigh.ibm.com (d04nms69nms70.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.69]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.93) with ESMTP id IAA48232; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:08:23 -0400 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: FW: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial -- AMA response To: Linda.Tanner@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 (Intl) 21 March 2000 Message-ID: From: "Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:08:22 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D04NMS69/04/M/IBM(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 10/11/2000 08:08:22 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e9BC8mK16242 Thanks Linda, here's the text: October 9, 2000 Ms. Kendra-Sue Derby Virginia Coordinated Campaign Director Charles Robb For Senate 5834 A North Kings Highway Alexandria, VA 22303 Dear Ms. Derby: Thank you for taking time to speak with me this morning over the disappointing ad which Senator Robb has chosen to air regarding Governor Allen's stance on gun control. The ad depicts the Governor conversing with a motorcyclist dressed in a black leather vest adorned with a Harley Davidson patch, while a voice over talks about the use of assault weapons in the state of Virginia. As I told you this morning, motorcyclists from Virginia and all over the country are concerned and disappointed about the negative link Senator Robb is making between guns, criminal activity and motorcyclists. Motorcyclists are no more likely to commit a crime, with or without a gun, than any other member of the community. Indeed, the average motorcyclist is 38 years old, married, and has attended college with an income of $44,250 per year. A far cry from the image that your commercial would lead people to believe. According to Department of Motor Vehicle statistics, Virginia is home to nearly a quarter of a million licensed motorcycle riders. Riders who vote. In our conversation this morning you stated that Senator Robb was willing to "pixel out" the Harley Davidson logo. While this token remedial measure may prevent a suit by Harley Davidson, it by no means frees you from the culpability of your implication that motorcyclists are a dangerous element. Additionally, we reject your stated excuse that you, "have to use whatever limited footage you have of Governor Allen to make your point." Surely, you have ten seconds of footage that can be used in lieu of this damaging segment. In your effort to cast aspersions upon your opponent, you have irresponsibly cast a shadow over motorcyclists. A shadow that serves only to exacerbate the artificial and stereotypical image of motorcyclists as miscreants and outlaws. Senator Robb's insistence upon the inclusion of a motorcyclist in his ad shows a reckless disregard for a large portion of the electorate in his home state of Virginia, and we demand that you alter the commercial so it no longer uses a motorcyclist to make his points on gun control or any other issue. Additionally we would appreciate a letter from Senator Robb apologizing to the riders of Virginia for using the negative image of motorcyclists to strike fear into the electorate to further his political agenda. Thank you for your consideration. We look forward to working with you to remedy this situation as quickly as possible. Sincerely, Edward W. Moreland Washington Representative cc: Senator Robb's Senate Office Virginia Democratic Party Friends of George Allen Motorcycle Riders Foundation Harley Davidson Motor Company Virginia ABATE Washington Post Richmond Times Dispatch Virginian Pilot Roanoke Times and World News The Daily Progress Newport News Daily Press Free Lance Star Bristol Herald Courier Danville Register and Bee Journal Newspapers Winchester Star Regards, Tom Knapik EAGLE Architect E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 "Tanner, Linda" on 10/10/2000 05:03:32 PM To: Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM@IBMUS cc: Subject: FW: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial -- AMA response In case someone else hasn't done this... Thanks, LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ -----Original Message----- From: Haring, Seth [mailto:Seth.Haring@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 11:58 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial -- AMA response Here is the AMA's response to the biker bashing: > l > > <> > Thanks, > > Here's AMA's letter on the subject. > > Ride Safely, > > Ed > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 08:16:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BCGkK16374 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.15]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id IAA06204; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:16:42 -0400 X-Really-To: Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:20:38 -0400 Message-ID: <01C0335C.22F6EEB0.dthompso1@erols.com> From: Danny Thompson Reply-To: "dthompso1@XXXXXX" To: "'SV650 List'" , "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: snip... how did the racers do at VIR? Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:20:37 -0400 Organization: Technology Education X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 28 TEXT This was my first time on the North course at VIR (took Code school on the south course) and I have to admit that it was a blast. This track is pretty technical, more difficult than Summit and of course I was lost most of the time. I managed three 6th place finishes and turned a best time of 1:46.8. I have no idea how that compares to other times. VIR is one heck of a nice place. Everything about it was top notch, I will definitely go back as often as I can. Side note: I slept in the back of my old 4Runner Sat. night and woke up in the middle of the night to the tapping sound of sleet on the fiberglass top; made me wonder what the heck I was doing there. Sunday was cold, but by the end of the day, I was definitely glad I went. Thanks to Bob and Michael (Zero Dollars Racing) for letting me pit with them and helping me get the tires and rims changed for the final race. Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '00 SV www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Tuesday, October 10, 2000 9:11 AM, Sharon Wheeler [SMTP:Sharon_Wheeler@XXXXXX] wrote: snip... > to a chilly VIR, where we saw tons of SV's racing, including meeting a few > listers. How did you guys end up doing, anyway? From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 09:27:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BDRcK18462 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kawgirl (kawgirl.kivex.com [208.213.150.18]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id JAA29905 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:27:17 -0400 (EDT) From: lisa X-Sender: lgoddard@kawgirl To: dccycles Subject: MSF Advanced Rider course Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know this is short notice but: I've got two of three available spaces in an MSF Advanced Rider Course for this weekend in Frederick, MD. Saturday morning and Sunday morning. Holler back at me if you are interested. Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 09:55:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9707.mail.yahoo.com (web9707.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9BDtPK19060 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001011135517.20730.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9707.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 06:55:17 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 06:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: Bike night To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, I had fun. I wish I could have gotten there sooner, but my friend lost all his 'lecktrics on Rt. 50, and we had an unscheduled fettling session there on the roadside. His fuse-holder broke, and after a long time spent messing around trying to fix it, we spliced in a car-type fuse that I had. Turns out those female spade connectors snap right on to the fuse contacts. Anyhoo... we rolled in about an hour later than I thought we would, but at least the video tape was well received. It was good to meet Chuck, and Linda, and everyone else. BTW, tomorrow night (Thursday) is the bi-weekly Purcellville Bike Night. It is at the White Palace Restaurant at the flashing light on Business Rt. 7 in Purcellville. Folks are usually there from 6:30 to 9:30 or so. Truly a great bunch of folks, and some *really* cool bikes. There's no VCR, but they make a mean grease burger. :) Hope to see some of you there, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 10:17:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BEHCK19448 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0G2900501RLHTT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:15:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G29003C2RLHSF@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:15:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G2900A01RGDO5@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:12:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G2900A01RG1MC@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:12:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G2900A0QRFVEC@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:11:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:14:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Fw: AMA Community Council Notice - US Senate To: Kathleen Loerich Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39E475AE.FA29F7F3@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <024c01c0330f$3b77b200$0df47ad1@twincam> Kathleen Loerich wrote: > A disappointing campaign advertisement, aired by the Virginia Democratic > Coordinated Campaign attacks Virginia Governor George Allen's (Robb's > opponent > in a US Senate race) position on gun control. The ad depicts the Governor > conversing with a motorcyclist dressed in a black leather vest adorned with > a > Harley-Davidson patch, while a voice over talks about the use of assault > weapons > in the state of Virginia. I finally got to see this ad on TV for the first time this morning. While it did show Allen talking with a man in a black leather vest, they must have covered up the patch, and I saw no motorcycles in the commercial. For what it's worth, I thought the Robb ad backfired. Folks have been saying the Brady Bill has been ineffective for a while now (Allen voted against it). Allen also voted against a new bill to ban handguns in schools (isn't it already illegal?). I appreciate politicians who don't just vote for or create new laws when what we need to do is enforce existing laws. Buh-bye, Robb. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 10:18:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9BEIMK19458 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001011141814.21544.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.208] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:18:14 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:18:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: FW: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial -- AMA response To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii at the risk of sounding quite ignorant.... what's the big friggin' deal here? sounds to me like motorcyclists have become too goddamn sensitive. soon we'll allow the m/c rights groups to convince us that we should be asking for protected status from the government! it certainly seems at times like people have nothing better to do than bitch, bitch, bitch most of the dcc group is pro-gun (it seems from the posts), yet people become offended when an ad runs that links bikes and guns together? i say get over it. robb is going to lose this election.... who cares what bullshit he tries as he sinks? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 10:47:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f244.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BEluK20052 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:47:48 -0700 Received: from 151.200.109.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:47:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.94] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/10/00 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:47:48 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2000 14:47:48.0907 (UTC) FILETIME=[397C67B0:01C03392] >From: "Louis F. Caplan" >--- iefbrfourteen wrote: > > When I wrote, "Can anyone be a witness?" What I meant > > was "Can *anyone* be a witness, or do you have to be > > 'approved' or something?" > >For a simple Saddle Sore 1000, you can have anyone be a witness (start >and/or >stop) as long as they are not doing the ride with you. This is not entirely accurate. I spoke to Mike Kneebone about being a witness for Tom Gimer on our trip to Key West (via Miami) this past December. He said, "Ok". However, I'm certain it had something to do with the fact I'm already an IBA member. So to be accurate, you can have anyone be a witness and if they are riding with you then they need to be an IBA member. BTW, just to make it fully legit, we had Linda Tanner sign as a witness in Miami (visiting her mom), as well as my own sig. Todd IBA, AMA, HSTA, HRCA, STOC 2 SS1ks (documented) Fite V MD 20/20 ..and hopefully many more events to come. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 10:55:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f112.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.112]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BEtAK20134 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:54:57 -0700 Received: from 151.200.109.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:54:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.94] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/10/00 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:54:57 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2000 14:54:57.0965 (UTC) FILETIME=[393975D0:01C03393] Nah, Hard Core would be signing off as your starting witness, doing the ride with you, serving as your ending witness too, and not bothering to submit any documentation to claim the ride as official. Now, by *that* definition, I'm Hard Core. :) What time are y'all leaving from Richmond? Horkster ------------------------------------------ Me too Dale! Of course, Hard-Headed is probably a more apt description. I didn't even think about documenting my own ride as I'd already done one SS1k. When Gimer and I left (11pm, day after Christmas) it was 26 degrees and stayed that way until about 10am next morning about 60 miles into Georgia. Talk about hating life. Me bundled like the Michelin Man with Duct tape on my boots to help keep the wind out and still freezing my nads off. BTW those toe warmer packets are useless in these conditions. Tom had a borrowed electric vest that did little but burn tiny grill marks across his chest. That was pretty funny! More fun than any human has the right to have! Todd _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 11:03:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9BF3YK20365 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001011150327.344.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.208] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:03:27 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:03:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/10/00 To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Peer wrote: > Of course, Hard-Headed is probably a more apt > description. I didn't even think about documenting my > own ride as I'd already done one SS1k. When > Gimer and I left (11pm, day after Christmas) it was 26 > degrees and stayed that way until about 10am next morning > about 60 miles into Georgia. > > Talk about hating life. Me bundled like the Michelin Man > with Duct tape on my boots to help keep the wind out and > still freezing my nads off. BTW those toe warmer packets > are useless in these conditions. > > Tom had a borrowed electric vest that did little but burn > tiny grill marks across his chest. That was pretty funny! yeah....uh....hilarious! i actually still have scars! :( but i think 'pretty funny' was you, later on that same trip, falling off the barstool onto your ass w/ legs in the air and getting thrown out of the same bar twice in one night! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 11:09:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from nas1.washingtonpost.com (nas1.washingtonpost.com [206.132.25.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BF9tK20460 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nas1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nas1.washingtonpost.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA10153 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:09:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-Id: <200010111509.LAA10153@nas1.washingtonpost.com> Subject: A washingtonpost.com article from eternity23@XXXXXX You have been sent this message from eternity23@XXXXXX as a courtesy of the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com). To stay on top of the latest political headlines, live discussions and breaking news, register now for the OnPolitics email at http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/email/email.htm. Anyone hear about this?!? To view the entire article, go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13514-2000Oct5.html Biker Bar Loses Licenses, Closes ^MPayne's Biker Cafe, a downtown Leesburg bar that has attracted Harley riders from across the nation's highways, has closed after Virginia officials removed its liquor licenses.^M^MThe King Street bar, owned by Mari Jill Workman, served its final customers last week, according to Workman's lawyer, Mike Sawyer. The Virginia Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control revoked Workman's licenses because she has been convicted of a drug possession.^M^MSawyer said Workman, 43, maintains that she is innocent but entered an Alford plea to a misdemeanor charge to avoid possible conviction on a felony charge. Under an Alford plea, a defendant does not admit guilt but acknowledges that prosecutors have enough evidence to secure a conviction.^M^MWorkman was sentenced to 12 months' probation and is required to perform 50 hours of community service, Loudoun County District Court officials said.^M^MSawyer said Workman hopes to keep the bar in business and is considering appealing the ABC ruling in Lou! doun County Circuit Court.^M^M"Payne's is an institution in this community," Sawyer said. "At one time, it was exclusively a biker bar. That's not the case any more. It caters to a wide range of clientele. Ms. Workman has endeavored long and hard to change the image of Payne's and has been successful. She wants an opportunity to continue."^M^MPayne's was established more than 30 years ago and sits near the Loudoun court complex. The bar's motto, on a neon sign, reads: "Better off here than across the street." The bar and its patrons have helped with fundraising efforts for charities, including the Muscular Dystrophy Association.^M^MWorkman and a bartender were charged with drug offenses after an undercover officer allegedly purchased drugs at the bar in December 1999, according to court documents and Sawyer.^M^M"She adamantly denies that she was involved," Sawyer said. "There's something that was misunderstood, misconstrued or misperceived."^M^MAn ABC examiner first held a hearing on th! e bar's licenses in May and decided to revoke them. Last month, the case then went to the full ABC board, which upheld the decision.^M^M"They've had no prior problems with the ABC, but just one incident of selling drugs is enough to have a license revoked," ABC spokeswoman Suzanne Horsley said.^M^MHorsley said that if Workman seeks a new license within the next five years, she must appear before the board for a hearing. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 11:15:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BFFHK20614 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id KAA06062 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:15:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id KAA06057 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:15:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA05287; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001011111636.00a292c0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:17:11 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/10/00 In-Reply-To: <20001011150327.344.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ROTFL! Got any pictures for us? ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >yeah....uh....hilarious! i actually still have scars! :( > >but i think 'pretty funny' was you, later on that same >trip, falling off the barstool onto your ass w/ legs in the >air and getting thrown out of the same bar twice in one >night! > > >-- >tg > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 11:24:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BFOSK20731 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-28.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.92]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25325; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E4B193.25A516B0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:29:39 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: iefbrfourteen CC: DCC Subject: Re: Bike night References: <20001011135517.20730.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rich, Thanks to you and all the other folks who should up for what was probably the last Bike Night for this year. A relatively small crowd, but a good bunch and fun nonetheless. Always great to meet new people. Loved the track day tape! Mark and I are already working on putting together a "blockbuster" first Bike Night in 2001! Chuck iefbrfourteen wrote: > > Well, I had fun. I wish I could have gotten there > sooner, but my friend lost all his 'lecktrics on Rt. > 50, and we had an unscheduled fettling session there > on the roadside. His fuse-holder broke, and after a > long time spent messing around trying to fix it, we > spliced in a car-type fuse that I had. Turns out > those female spade connectors snap right on to the > fuse contacts. > > Anyhoo... we rolled in about an hour later than I > thought we would, but at least the video tape was well > received. > > It was good to meet Chuck, and Linda, and everyone > else. > > BTW, tomorrow night (Thursday) is the bi-weekly > Purcellville Bike Night. It is at the White Palace > Restaurant at the flashing light on Business Rt. 7 in > Purcellville. Folks are usually there from 6:30 to > 9:30 or so. Truly a great bunch of folks, and some > *really* cool bikes. > > There's no VCR, but they make a mean grease burger. :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 11:44:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BFigK21069 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA00603 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:46:48 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DCC" Subject: RE: Bike night Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:31:46 -0400 Message-ID: <002e01c03398$5d5e98a0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39E4B193.25A516B0@ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I hope everyone enjoyed my tape. I am committed to getting a new CAM this year that has a manual focus override. That bastard has a mind of its own sometimes! I may go digital 8mm, but I really need to see what I'll gain by doing it. Gary Foreman From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 11:48:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BFmQK21158 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G2900B01VBENX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:35:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G29009KKVBE1Z@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:35:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G2900K01VBEL3@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:35:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G2900K01VBBKP@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:35:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G2900JBLVAZKG@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:35:23 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:34:29 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: IBA Witness rules To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Todd Peer Message-id: <39E48885.5A01CB2@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Todd Peer wrote: >> For a simple Saddle Sore 1000, you can have anyone be a witness (start >> and/or stop) as long as they are not doing the ride with you. > > This is not entirely accurate. I spoke to Mike Kneebone about being a > witness for Tom Gimer on our trip to Key West (via Miami) this past > December. He said, "Ok". However, I'm certain it had something to do with > the fact I'm already an IBA member. Yeah, it used to be that you had to have 3 different witnesses for the start and end of a ride. Or 2 witnesses from employees at a bike dealership. Or 1 witness if it was a cop, a firefighter, or some other public official. It got to the point where finding witnesses was tougher than doing the rides. Folks got on the LDrider list to arrange to meet witnesses for the ride (still not a bad idea). Then the requirements for the more basic rides (SaddleSore 1000) were relaxed to allow one good witness signature. Eventually, someone suggested having "approved witnesses" that the IBA would accept, generally these folks were already IBA members who volunteered (Leon, Louis, and I are on this approved list) and were generally trustworthy. Leon and I sign off on each other's rides all the time, even at weird hours of the morning, etc.) The only real stipulation is that you can't witness a ride and claim it for yourself at the same time (although you can ride along for fun if you wish :) Anyway, I know how hard it is trying to find a cop willing to sign a witness form at odd hours after a big ride. That's why I'm willing to witness for anyone in the general area, Richmond included. It's no big deal. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 12:01:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BG1QK21401 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-28.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.92]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15294; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E4BA85.98731414@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:07:49 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Foreman CC: DCC Subject: Re: Bike night References: <002e01c03398$5d5e98a0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary, Thanks for making the tape. Lots of fun to watch. Especially since it was my good friend Pete (who was there at Bike Night) who dumped it in the gravel pit! %^) Just one suggestion for next time... Any chance you could video from several different locations on the track? Chuck Gary Foreman wrote: > > I hope everyone enjoyed my tape. I am committed to getting a new CAM this > year that has a manual focus override. That bastard has a mind of its own > sometimes! I may go digital 8mm, but I really need to see what I'll gain by > doing it. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 12:36:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BGaXK22002 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA02736 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA00107 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA01222; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:33:11 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Chuck Pena" Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Bike night Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:17:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c0339e$ce3987a0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-reply-to: <39E4BA85.98731414@ix.netcom.com> Importance: Normal I did??? Turn 1, Turn 10, Turn 5, Turn 4 ??? Maybe they didn't watch the whole tape? I did edit it down. I had 3 hours of tape, and it gets a little monotonous after a while. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 3:08 PM > To: Gary Foreman > Cc: DCC > Subject: Re: Bike night > > > Gary, > > Thanks for making the tape. Lots of fun to watch. Especially since it > was my good friend Pete (who was there at Bike Night) who dumped it in > the gravel pit! %^) Just one suggestion for next time... Any chance > you could video from several different locations on the track? > > Chuck > > Gary Foreman wrote: > > > > I hope everyone enjoyed my tape. I am committed to getting a > new CAM this > > year that has a manual focus override. That bastard has a mind > of its own > > sometimes! I may go digital 8mm, but I really need to see what > I'll gain by > > doing it. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 12:38:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mail.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BGcbK22012 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.73.788e053 (3972) for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:38:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: <73.788e053.2715f17a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:38:18 EDT Subject: Chuck's Posts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 I'm sorry Chuck, but what the hell does this mean.... ---> " %^) " It's always in your posts!! What is it? WHAT DOES IT MEAN??? AAAHHHHH! Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 12:44:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BGiqK22092 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA26298; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:44:44 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from david500 (w054.z064000083.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.83.54]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA17374; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006f01c033a2$8932cbe0$36530040@blairdubilier.com> Reply-To: "Dave Cross" From: "Dave Cross" To: References: <73.788e053.2715f17a@aol.com> Subject: Re: Chuck's Posts Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:44:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > I'm sorry Chuck, but what the hell does this mean.... ---> " %^) " I think its a self portrait. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:38 PM Subject: Chuck's Posts > I'm sorry Chuck, but what the hell does this mean.... ---> " %^) " It's > always in your posts!! What is it? WHAT DOES IT MEAN??? AAAHHHHH! > > Sean Jordan > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 12:47:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9BGlUK22171 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001011164722.29477.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.208] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:47:22 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:47:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Chuck's Posts To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i've always just assumed that chuck's emoticons were constantly stoned --- Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm sorry Chuck, but what the hell does this mean.... > ---> " %^) " It's > always in your posts!! What is it? WHAT DOES IT MEAN??? > AAAHHHHH! > > Sean Jordan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 12:49:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mail.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BGnGK22181 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.55.bf21719 (15857) for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web43.aolmail.aol.com (web43.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.4]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:48:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:48:57 EDT From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chuck's Posts To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <55.bf21719.2715f3fa@aol.com> I think an emoticon, (Decepticon?) should be immediately recognized as such. No offense, Chuck, but it always appears to me like little spurts of gibberish in the middle of your post. It drives me insane!! Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 12:51:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BGppK22270 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA01499; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:53:52 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Chuck Pena" Cc: "DCC" Subject: RE: Bike night Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:38:24 -0400 Message-ID: <002601c033a1$ac5867c0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-reply-to: <39E4BA85.98731414@ix.netcom.com> Importance: Normal I also hope Pete wasn't too offended at the sound effects :-) > was my good friend Pete (who was there at Bike Night) who dumped it in > the gravel pit! %^) Just one suggestion for next time... Any chance > you could video from several different locations on the track? Gary From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 12:59:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9BGxmK22357 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001011165931.15514.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.208] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:59:31 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:59:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/10/00 To: Jeannette Zell , Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > ROTFL! Got any pictures for us? ; ) regretably, i have no pictures of the night in question....only a large bar tab! but i have heard that there are some other interesting pics making there way to the mofo website! > >but i think 'pretty funny' was you, later on that same > >trip, falling off the barstool onto your ass w/ legs in > >the air and getting thrown out of the same bar twice in > >one night! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 13:00:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9706.mail.yahoo.com (web9706.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9BH0CK22442 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001011165949.53647.qmail@web9706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9706.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:59:49 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:59:49 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: RE: Bike night To: fj1100@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I listened for the sound effects, but didn't hear anything. It may have been too loud in the place. Everyone was roaring at Pete's off-road excursions. Rich Gary wrote... >I also hope Pete wasn't too offended at the sound >effects :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 13:05:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BH5SK22533 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e23.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26932 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:37:48 -0500 Received: from d04nms69.raleigh.ibm.com (d04nms69nms70.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.69]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.93) with ESMTP id NAA45426 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:05:14 -0400 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Chuck's Posts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 (Intl) 21 March 2000 Message-ID: From: "Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:05:14 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D04NMS69/04/M/IBM(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 10/11/2000 01:05:14 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Keep it up Chuck! You've just about driven Sean over the edge =;0) >>I think an emoticon, (Decepticon?) should be immediately recognized as such. No offense, >>Chuck, but it always appears to me like little spurts of gibberish in the middle of your >>post. It drives me insane!! >>Sean Jordan Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 13:05:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BH5kK22543 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-215-134.s388.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.215.134] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13jPK3-0001Ne-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:05:44 -0400 Message-ID: <005201c033a5$14f38d20$6cd33ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <39E38995.BE565665@peabody.jhu.edu> Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Suzuki-bikes] [URGENT/HIGH PRIORITY] The freedom of a 8yr old is at stake] Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:01:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 DOT stats cited herein are most likely based on fatalities and injuries per passenger mile. Commercial aircraft are the safest, followed closely by subways, intercity buses, intercity trains. Passenger cars are way down the chart. I don't think motorcycles would look very good in the per passenger mile sweepstakes, even worse than autos, due to shorter trips and a high accident rate. Better to cite statistics like the percentage of mc accidents that involve impaired, unlicensed, or untrained riders. Subtract them out and mcs look much safer. I remember reading somewhere that a staggering number of fatal single vehicle mc crashes (something like 90%) involved impaired, unlicensed and untrained riders. I've seen NHTSA stats from 1998 on mc crashes. They calculate the rates on a per registered vehicle and per licensed rider basis. FWIW, DC had one of the worst mc fatality rates. 5 fatalities that year in the District which pushed the rate to stratospheric levels, although the numbers are skewed because DC has a small number of licensed bikes and riders and a big influx from the burbs every day. Paul A. Wilson Washington DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven C. Di Pietro To: D.C.Cycles-L Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:26 PM Subject: [Fwd: [Suzuki-bikes] [URGENT/HIGH PRIORITY] The freedom of a 8yr old is at stake] > DC-C'ers > > Can anybody help out my friend Jean-Duc Villareal (AKA Brainless) > out with his problem? > > Steven C. Di Pietro > Assistant National Director > Suzuki Owners Club USA > http://www.soc-usa.org > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 13:30:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BHU3K22977 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va15-43.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.107]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA30317; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E4CF50.591F9455@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:36:32 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Chuck's Posts References: <73.788e053.2715f17a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean, No offense taken. But "always" in my posts? Nah! %^) Chuck Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > > I'm sorry Chuck, but what the hell does this mean.... ---> " %^) " It's > always in your posts!! What is it? WHAT DOES IT MEAN??? AAAHHHHH! and also wrote: > I think an emoticon, (Decepticon?) should be immediately recognized as such. No offense, Chuck, > but it always appears to me like little spurts of gibberish in the middle of your post. It > drives me insane!! From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 13:32:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BHW3K22991 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA02956 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA01623 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va15-43.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.107]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00166; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E4CFC4.1388739@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:38:28 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Foreman CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Bike night References: <000001c0339e$ce3987a0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe I just wasn't paying attention. But the actual video footage (as opposed to the still shots) all appeared to be taken from the same vantage point. Just thought it would make for more interesting viewing if we were able to see video from other sections of the track. Although I do realize that this may not have been logistically feasible. Gary Foreman wrote: > > I did??? Turn 1, Turn 10, Turn 5, Turn 4 ??? Maybe they didn't watch the > whole tape? > > I did edit it down. I had 3 hours of tape, and it gets a little monotonous > after a while. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 13:33:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BHXaK23009 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va15-43.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.107]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11763; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E4D028.1327F8D9@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:40:08 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Foreman CC: DCC Subject: Re: Bike night References: <002601c033a1$ac5867c0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pete wasn't offended in the least bit at being the "star" and butt of everyone's abuse. He'd even told us about the incident long before the tape ever arrived. The only "sound effects" were a big cheer and much good-natured laughing watching Pete dump it. %^) => Inserted just for Sean Jordan! Gary Foreman wrote: > > I also hope Pete wasn't too offended at the sound effects :-) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 13:41:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BHfYK23108 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.15]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id NAA26896 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:41:32 -0400 X-Really-To: Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:45:28 -0400 Message-ID: <01C03389.83E20DE0.dthompso1@erols.com> From: Danny Thompson Reply-To: "dthompso1@XXXXXX" To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Bike night Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:45:27 -0400 Organization: Technology Education X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 28 TEXT Maybe everyone that saw the video ought to chip in a few dollars to give to Pete for the entertainment. I am sure he could use it to repair any damage incurred just to amuse the audience..... You guys know he did that on purpose don't you? You don't think Pete would throw his bike down for the heck of it do you? It was all planned, how else would the camera have been in the right place at the right time? Help poor Pete out and help pay for his efforts to entertain. :) Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '00 SV www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:40 PM, Chuck Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] wrote: > Pete wasn't offended in the least bit at being the "star" and butt of > everyone's abuse. He'd even told us about the incident long before the > tape ever arrived. The only "sound effects" were a big cheer and much > good-natured laughing watching Pete dump it. %^) => Inserted just for > Sean Jordan! > > Gary Foreman wrote: > > > > I also hope Pete wasn't too offended at the sound effects :-) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 13:42:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BHgjK23187 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G2A00L0116H7S@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:42:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G2A00J9I16HX8@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:42:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) id <0G2A00I0116G7A@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:42:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0G2A00I0116A5S@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:42:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0G2A00G7W15WR5@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:41:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:41:03 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial -- AMA response To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39E4A62F.E6B0C96F@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20001011141814.21544.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Tom Gimer wrote: > > at the risk of sounding quite ignorant.... what's the big > friggin' deal here? sounds to me like motorcyclists have > become too goddamn sensitive. List, Apologies now for the political content. Tom, While in a way I can agree with you, I can understand the strong objection to this Robb commercial. We as motorcyclists are a very small and misunderstood minority. A lot of folks plain flat-assed wouldn't care one way or the other if we get legislated out of existence. Certain groups would actually love to see that happen. That's why motorcyclists have gotten a bit touchy over the years when things like this happen. There is also a big movement afoot to strip us of our Constitutional right to bear arms. Robb seems to support that cause, and for that reason alone he would not get my vote. By protesting this commercial and it's portrayal of motorcyclists as drug-loving, dangerous outlaws, motorcyclists are letting the VA Democratic Campaign Office and Chuck Robb know that they object to using negative stereotypes of motorcyclists in political ads. Robb now knows he's inadvertently alienated a bunch of motorcyclists who may have actually voted for him, and I think it is sort of ironic. :) <== That's a smiley face for Sean. Here's another. :) > soon we'll allow the m/c rights groups to convince us that > we should be asking for protected status from the government! > it certainly seems at times like people have nothing better > to do than bitch, bitch, bitch Personally, I support the right of m/c rights groups to bitch about everything they want to, even if I find I don't agree with most of their arguments myself (ex: helmet laws). As long as they are moaning and whining about helmets ad nauseum, a politicrat would be silly to propose further laws limiting our fun, like mandatory seatbelts, airbags, etc. etc. Besides, since m/c rights groups are doing their thing, it frees up for time for me to go riding. :) Hi Sean. :) > robb is going to lose this election.... who cares what > bullshit he tries as he sinks? Let's hope you are right. I'm a motorcyclist, I own a gun (well, a rifle), and I vote. It seems that Chuck Robb doesn't want my vote. Not that he was getting it anyway. Horkster PS: Al Gore thinks the internal combustion engine is the greatest threat to the planet - he even says so in his own book. Hmm, last time I checked, my bike has one of those nasty things lurking under all the bodywork. I guess Al Gore doesn't want my vote either. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 13:45:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BHjGK23285 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA03037 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA01984 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA01432; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:48:51 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Chuck's Posts Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:33:24 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c033a0$f9fd87e0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-reply-to: <73.788e053.2715f17a@aol.com> Importance: Normal It's a smiling face! %=eyes ^=Nose )=Grin! Don't you see it? > -----Original Message----- > From: Eternity23@XXXXXX [mailto:Eternity23@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:38 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Chuck's Posts > > > I'm sorry Chuck, but what the hell does this mean.... ---> " > %^) " It's > always in your posts!! What is it? WHAT DOES IT MEAN??? AAAHHHHH! > > Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 13:48:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BHmOK23297 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA03059 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA02100 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA02278 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:50:30 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Bike night Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:34:31 -0400 Message-ID: <004401c033a9$83543f40$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-reply-to: <39E4CFC4.1388739@ix.netcom.com> Importance: Normal Only the beginning and the end were Turn 1. I made a big effort to shoot from many places (and I was pretty stiff in the neck the following day). > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:38 PM > To: Gary Foreman > Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: Bike night > > > Maybe I just wasn't paying attention. But the actual video footage (as > opposed to the still shots) all appeared to be taken from the same > vantage point. Just thought it would make for more interesting viewing > if we were able to see video from other sections of the track. Although > I do realize that this may not have been logistically feasible. > > Gary Foreman wrote: > > > > I did??? Turn 1, Turn 10, Turn 5, Turn 4 ??? Maybe they > didn't watch the > > whole tape? > > > > I did edit it down. I had 3 hours of tape, and it gets a > little monotonous > > after a while. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 13:49:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BHnVK23317 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA02299; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:51:37 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: , "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Bike night Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:35:37 -0400 Message-ID: <004501c033a9$aa9d50a0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-reply-to: <01C03389.83E20DE0.dthompso1@erols.com> Importance: Normal Ummm....yeah...that's right, Pete and I planned that! > > Maybe everyone that saw the video ought to chip in a few dollars > to give to > Pete for the entertainment. I am sure he could use it to repair > any damage > incurred just to amuse the audience..... You guys know he did > that on purpose > don't you? You don't think Pete would throw his bike down for the > heck of it do > you? It was all planned, how else would the camera have been in > the right place > at the right time? Help poor Pete out and help pay for his efforts to > entertain. :) > > Danny > #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) > '00 SV > www.onewayracing.org > > Proudly Sponsored by: > Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers > www.shenvalleywarrenton.com > > On Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:40 PM, Chuck Pena > [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Pete wasn't offended in the least bit at being the "star" and butt of > > everyone's abuse. He'd even told us about the incident long before the > > tape ever arrived. The only "sound effects" were a big cheer and much > > good-natured laughing watching Pete dump it. %^) => Inserted just for > > Sean Jordan! > > > > Gary Foreman wrote: > > > > > > I also hope Pete wasn't too offended at the sound effects :-) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 14:09:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BI9CK23659 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G2A00H012BIHM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:06:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G2A00EF52BIIU@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:06:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G2A00L012DMSK@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:08:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G2A00L012D9R9@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:08:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G2A00K9U2D2Q2@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:07:51 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:05:41 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/10/00 To: Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39E4ABF5.10D68677@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Todd Peer wrote: > Of course, Hard-Headed is probably a more apt description. I didn't even > think about documenting my own ride as I'd already done one SS1k. Yeah, once I've got a ride documented, I don't normally bother to document another one. The MD2020 SaddleSore 1000 is now an official ride, so now I've got two "official" 1000 mile days, in addition to my BunBurner1500, and my Bunburner Gold (1500+ miles/24 hours). I also did a SaddleSore 2000 (back to back 1000 mile days) but I lost the paperwork here at home somewhere. D'0h! Guess I get to do another one. I figure someday I'd like to have one ride of each type documented. It's still quite a list: SS2000 50CC (coast to coast, ocean to ocean under 50 hours) BBG3000 (Back to back BBGolds, a tough ride) 100CC (coast to coast to coast, 100 hours) 10/10ths (10 consecutive 1000 mile days) 100K Club (a 100,000 mile year) I'd also like to do a 4 Corners ride, maybe a Trans Canadian, too. My retirement someday is gonna be a lot of fun. :) > More fun than any human has the right to have! Oh yeah. Riding is the most fun I've ever had with clothes on. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 14:09:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BI9nK23670 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA03186 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA02704 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va15-43.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.107]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08036; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E4D8A6.7499A5A0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:16:22 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Foreman CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Bike night References: <004401c033a9$83543f40$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK. Then I just wasn't paying close attention. Although I wasn't the only person with the same impression. Nonetheless, great vid. Good fun. I think an MPEG clip of Pete dumping it should be part of the new DC-Cycles website! Gary Foreman wrote: > > Only the beginning and the end were Turn 1. I made a big effort to shoot > from many places (and I was pretty stiff in the neck the following day). From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 14:30:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.us.pw.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9BIUYK24037 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uxtpaprx1.us.pw.com; id OAA01247; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:27:30 -0400 From: Received: from uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma000414; Wed, 11 Oct 00 14:27:17 -0400 Received: from us-amsmta005.us.pw.com by uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with SMTP id <0G2A00F5O3C8LI@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by us-amsmta005.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256975.00659F00 ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:29:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:27:36 -0400 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/10/00 To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256975.00655DBC.00@us-amsmta005.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL What's considered more difficult ... a 50cc or a BBG3000 (given that I think it is approx. 2700 - 3100 miles from coast to coast). What is the time limit on a BBG3000? --chris To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/10/00 --snip-- SS2000 50CC (coast to coast, ocean to ocean under 50 hours) BBG3000 (Back to back BBGolds, a tough ride) 100CC (coast to coast to coast, 100 hours) 10/10ths (10 consecutive 1000 mile days) 100K Club (a 100,000 mile year) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 14:36:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BIagK24116 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA03293 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA03518 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA17325; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:24:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Chuck Pena" , "Gary Foreman" Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Bike night Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:30:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39E4D8A6.7499A5A0@ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 If someone will forward one to me, I'll put it up there! I was an idiot last night and completely forgot about Bike Night. I don't know what I was thinking. So I guess we'll have to do another one tonight. How's six-ish for everyone? ;^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:16 PM To: Gary Foreman Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Bike night OK. Then I just wasn't paying close attention. Although I wasn't the only person with the same impression. Nonetheless, great vid. Good fun. I think an MPEG clip of Pete dumping it should be part of the new DC-Cycles website! Gary Foreman wrote: > > Only the beginning and the end were Turn 1. I made a big effort to shoot > from many places (and I was pretty stiff in the neck the following day). From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 14:38:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9BIcOK24126 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001011183817.25605.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.208] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:38:17 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:38:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial -- AMA response To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > at the risk of sounding quite ignorant.... what's the > > big friggin' deal here? sounds to me like motorcyclists > > have become too goddamn sensitive. > > List, > > Apologies now for the political content. but it is m/c related....no apologies needed! > Tom, > > While in a way I can agree with you, I can understand > the strong objection to this Robb commercial. We as > motorcyclists are a very small and misunderstood > minority. > A lot of folks plain flat-assed wouldn't care one way > or the other if we get legislated out of existence. i take exception to the 'minority' comment. we aren't talking about race/alienage here....this is simply a chosen form of transportation. i recently read that bike sales nationally are increasing significantly; motorcycles and motorcycle racing are gaining popularity in the u.s. ... the way i see it, the paranoia about motorcycles being legislated out of existence (an absolute joke) is created by the very organizations which depend on motorcyclists' funds to keep 'em running. next, somebody will chime in and say "but what about the government parklands they want to close to off-road vehicles????" waaah, waaaah, waaaaah!.... i say go buy some land of your fuckin own and ride your shit there. the government has the right to close off its lands to any activities which may hurt it. > By protesting this commercial and it's portrayal of > motorcyclists > as drug-loving, dangerous outlaws, motorcyclists are > letting > the VA Democratic Campaign Office and Chuck Robb know > that they > object to using negative stereotypes of motorcyclists in > political ads. i kind of like the image that they are portraying of motorcyclists....the H-D riding ones anyway. it's better than showing them as a bunch of RUBs. the world will always have its share of drug users. i think the H-D crowd represents them well. do people really feel like these kinds of ads are going to do any harm to them? please. this town is so friggin pc-crazy i get sick to my stomach. > Robb now knows he's inadvertently > alienated a bunch of motorcyclists who may have actually > voted for him, and I think it is sort of ironic. yeah....but who spoke up about it???? a bunch of dc attorneys and lobbyists! not the H-D crowd which has supposedly had their image tarnished. what a crock of shit all this is! > PS: Al Gore thinks the internal combustion engine is the > greatest threat to the planet - he even says so in his > own book. Hmm, last time I checked, my bike has one of > those nasty things lurking under all the bodywork. I > guess Al Gore doesn't want my vote either. the fact that somebody like al gore gets to the forefront of american politics is something the democratic party should be embarrassed about. luckily for the democrats, gore's competition is just as much of a pussy i should feel a lot better now....but i don't. dammit -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 14:55:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BItwK24367 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0G2A001014K870@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:55:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G2A00MJ94K8D6@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:55:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G2A00E014GQB2@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:53:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G2A00E014GLAI@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:53:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G2A00AMK4G7FM@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:52:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:54:07 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/10/00 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39E4B74F.61D1A307@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <85256975.00655DBC.00@us-amsmta005.us.pw.com> christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > What's considered more difficult ... a 50cc or a BBG3000 (given that I think it > is approx. 2700 - 3100 miles from coast to coast). What is the time limit on a > BBG3000? Some folks on the LD list think a BBGold is actually tougher than a typical 50 CC. A fairly 'easy' 50CC is done from Jacksonville, FL to Los Angeles, CA, ~2400 miles in 50 hours. NY to San Fran is about 2800 miles, I think. A BBG3000 is generally considered a much harder ride, but it can be started from anywhere. The time limit is only 48 hours for a BBG3000, making it tougher still. You actually have to document each 1500 mile ride in under 24 hours, and somehow have enough time in the middle for sleep. I'm not ready to do that kind of ride yet. There are only 7 riders listed on the IBA webpage who have done a BBG3000, it's really tough. 22 are listed as completing a 100CC. Next year's Concours Owner's Group National Rally is in Klamath Falls, OR. I'm strongly considering a 50CC attempt from New York to San Francisco in order to get out there. I'll probably fill up little vials with sand & water from both ends, it would look really nice with the Finisher's Certificate. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 14:55:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9702.mail.yahoo.com (web9702.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.138]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9BItEK24364 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001011185459.5466.qmail@web9702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9702.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:54:59 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:54:59 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: RE: Bike night To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dthompso1@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Danny wrote... >>>>Maybe everyone that saw the video ought to chip in a few dollars to give to Pete for the entertainment. I am sure he could use it to repair any damage incurred just to amuse the audience.....<<<< Surely Foreman Films is covering any damage to the stunt vehicles. And Pete will soon be making millions from video royalties, not to mention the inevitable lecture tour. >:> (that's an evil grin, for the emoticon impared. :) But if you stare at it long enough, you can see a boat!!) Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 15:39:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BJduK25055 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G2A006016LA21@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:39:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G2A002HL6LAU6@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:39:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G2A00D016G6DU@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:36:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G2A00D016G2AS@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:36:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G2A00CBL6FN6E@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:35:47 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:37:58 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial -- AMA response To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39E4C196.8447FEBD@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20001011183817.25605.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Tom Gimer wrote: > > i take exception to the 'minority' comment. we aren't > talking about race/alienage here....this is simply a chosen > form of transportation. I wasn't talking about race/alienage here either. More people choose cars/minivans/trucks/SUV's as transportation than motorcycles. We are a minority because we are few in number. A democracy (ok, so our government isn't a pure democracy) has often been compared to 3 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. The sheep is a minority, so has to be extra careful. > i recently read that bike sales nationally are increasing > significantly; motorcycles and motorcycle racing are > gaining popularity in the u.s. ... That's a good trend. Let's hope it continues. > the way i see it, the paranoia about motorcycles being > legislated out of existence (an absolute joke) It won't all happen at once. But two-strokes were outlawed for a while, weren't they? Superbikes are now limited in top speed (voluntary, but done to avoid legislation). Europe has been seriously considering mandating leg protection for motorcycles, m/c rights groups over there have to be very active. Virginia tried to keep motorcyclists off the HOV lanes (in the interest of safety), how much more of logical leap is it to conclude that keeping motorcycles off ALL roads (again, in the interest of safety) would be a good thing? I bet if we'd sat back and taken no political action at all in the past 15-20 years, all we'd have left would be ultra- wimpy (but fuel efficient) mopeds & scooters to ride. > is created by the very organizations which depend on > motorcyclists' funds to keep 'em running. I don't think anyone is getting rich over at the MRF (not so sure about the AMA, I wish they'd get out of racing) and I'm personally glad they are out there. And as long as the ABATE folks keep yammering about how helmets break necks and kill people, it's unlikely we'll get any new laws like airbags, seatbelts, leg protectors, training wheels, engine governors, helmet-mounted brake lights (actually not that bad of an idea) or roofs legislated on new bikes. And don't think for a minute that these ideas haven't been proposed and/or studied for us wayward motorcyclists and our "dangerous" machines. So I'm more than happy to have all those groups out there sticking there noses in political doings, leaving me time to ride my bike freely. > next, somebody will chime in and say "but what about the > government parklands they want to close to off-road > vehicles????" waaah, waaaah, waaaaah!.... i say go buy > some land of your fuckin own and ride your shit there. the > government has the right to close off its lands to any > activities which may hurt it. I'm torn on this issue. I'm not an off-roader, but I might be if I had a place to legally ride. A backyard isn't enough space, and I'll never be a wealthy landowner. If my local government is bulldozing down acres of trees for public soccer and softball fields, why can't they offer public land for OHVs? And if hiking in National Parks is ok (and encouraged), then why can't I ride a dirt bike there? > do people really feel like these kinds of ads are going to > do any harm to them? please. Imagine electing Al Gore president (who wants to reduce the number of personal internal combustion vehicles out there, he says so). Then elect Chuck Robb and more folks of his kind who obviously consider motorcyclists to be gun-loving druggie scofflaws. You don't want to know how that scenario ends... :( <== that's a frowney face for Sean. :) > this town is so friggin pc-crazy i get sick to my stomach. Agreed. > the fact that somebody like al gore gets to the forefront > of american politics is something the democratic party > should be embarrassed about. Agreed. > luckily for the democrats, gore's competition is just as > much of a pussy Sadly again, agreed. My guy lost in the primaries. :( Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 15:46:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mail.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BJkBK25203 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id r.82.152bf40 (7866); Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:44:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <82.152bf40.27161d36@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:44:54 EDT Subject: Re: FW: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial -- AMA response To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bikersrights@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 10/11/00 10:19:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: << at the risk of sounding quite ignorant.... what's the big friggin' deal here? sounds to me like motorcyclists have become too goddamn sensitive. soon we'll allow the m/c rights groups to convince us that we should be asking for protected status from the government! it certainly seems at times like people have nothing better to do than bitch, bitch, bitch >> Actually, your question is neither ignorant nor out of place and does deserve an answer. Are bikers sensitive? Are people sensitive? The answer is that the responsible portion of the riding population is sensitive to the adverse publicity of the indisciplined portion of our population. Knuckleheads make it difficult for everyone. As early as the late 1940s, riders got the black eye at Hollister, California. In a 150 word article accompanied by a couple photographs, Life magazine set the tone for the biker image that has culminated in todays vision of criminality. Following the Hollister incident, and Life's coverage, Hollywood picked up the theme of the outlaw biker and filmed "The Wild Ones" which became the first of a long series of films using bikers as the evil foil. Even Easy Riders, the cult classic, is actually a celebration of a drug run gone bad. At anyrate, given the initial adverse publicity, the police and the public exhibited a disproportionate fear of small groups of riders and actually facilitated the growth of the Hells Angels by demonizing them way out of proportion to their threat. Bikers became targets. Even today, take any one person who has never ridden before, put him on a bike, and he'll get stopped more than in his previous life. Why? The inertia of all the events I just described. We scare people. We dress in a threatening manner. But we know that the people we scare are basically afraid of freedom in the first place and have difficulty understanding or tolerating those who both embrace and celebrate it. Our threatening dress is an expression of common sense (leathers) and a sense of history (colors) but those values are evaporating in todays world. So we are seen in a hostile light. In response to that, we have seen over the last decade or so, an increasing number of community outreach by bikers to bridge that cultural and perceptual gap. Toy runs, charity events, memorial runs abound - but it's bikers reaching out to the straight community - not the other way around. And we make progress in that direction. Today, bikers are sought after because of their money (ask any set of business men after a run if they would like to have us back), the lack of trouble they bring as a group (that's right) and the services they provide. Some clubs actually have it in their by-laws that one of their goals is to improve the image of the biker . So, as we try to establish ourselves within the community, we are still confronted with situations that, if we were an ethnic minority, would not be tolerated by either the government or the community. In our attempts to change things, riders form associations to work within the system (Abate, MRF, AMA, etc) and strive for credibility in protecting the interests of other riders. BUT, when a United States Senator uses the image of a rider to personify the evils he opposes, all of what we are trying to do is in jeopardy...infact, it is a serious challenge to what we are trying to do. And if the Senator compounds his actions with a "screw you" response to our redress of grievances, we have a much larger problem...and, ultimately, so do you. So, it's true, in one respect, that we are sensitive. Infact, to use your words, god damned sensitive, to the fact that a U.S. Senator not only sees us in a hostile light, but uses that image to promote a fear that will ultimately manifest itself as more problems for us. These ads are a step back and opposing them is a necessary defense. Bill Gawthrop Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 15:51:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f220.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.220]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BJptK25283 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:51:46 -0700 Received: from 63.17.238.64 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:51:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.17.238.64] From: "vfr 800" To: JLange9901@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bandit 600 Comfort?? Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:51:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2000 19:51:46.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[B039F370:01C033BC] Before I purchased my VFR800, I had a Bandit 600. I'm not sure what information you're looking for as far as comfort for 2 up riding, but for me, I like the 800 better because it has more power. However, since the Bandit had more up-right riding position, it was slightly better for me when coming to a stop. (The passenger didn't seem to slide into me as much) Yeah, this could be rectified with a new seat, or a better passenger. (HE HE) You might have to rev the 600 a bit more, but unless you're going to move to the 1200, I don't know what else to tell you until you're more specific. The weakest point(s) on my '96 Bandit were the tires. I don't think they were radials back then. I believe they've changed that now, but if you have an older model with those tires, get new ones. Just my $.02. John 98 VFR (Somewhere near Monterey, CA) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 15:53:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f292.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.148.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BJrmK25293 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:53:39 -0700 Received: from 63.17.238.64 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:53:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.17.238.64] From: "vfr 800" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: Share of DC cycles Tire Changer Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:53:39 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2000 19:53:39.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3821270:01C033BC] I *still* have a share for the DC cycles tire changer up for sale. $30 obo. I'm *still* in Kalifornia, so I *still* don't have a use for it right now. Save money and change your own tires!! --John 98VFR _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 16:27:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BKRgK25834 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kawgirl (kawgirl.kivex.com [208.213.150.18]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id QAA03498 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:27:23 -0400 (EDT) From: lisa X-Sender: lgoddard@kawgirl To: dccycles Subject: warm riding gear Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm, just noticed that Colleen has a men's First Gear Kilamanjaro jacket in XL-XXL for sale on her site for $225. That's a great deal. I have the same jacket in my size and think it is awesome especially for cold weather riding. www.leatherexchange.com Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 16:28:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BKSHK25844 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com ([208.213.159.68]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id QAA29341; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E4C778.F75AD289@pti.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:03:05 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial -- AMA response References: <20001011183817.25605.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> <39E4C196.8447FEBD@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yea, what Dale said. = ) Dale Horstman wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > i take exception to the 'minority' comment. we aren't > > talking about race/alienage here....this is simply a chosen > > form of transportation. > > I wasn't talking about race/alienage here either. More > people choose cars/minivans/trucks/SUV's as transportation > than motorcycles. We are a minority because we are few > in number. > > A democracy (ok, so our government isn't a pure democracy) > has often been compared to 3 wolves and a sheep voting on > what to have for dinner. The sheep is a minority, so has > to be extra careful. > > > i recently read that bike sales nationally are increasing > > significantly; motorcycles and motorcycle racing are > > gaining popularity in the u.s. ... > > That's a good trend. Let's hope it continues. > > > the way i see it, the paranoia about motorcycles being > > legislated out of existence (an absolute joke) > > It won't all happen at once. But two-strokes were outlawed > for a while, weren't they? Superbikes are now limited > in top speed (voluntary, but done to avoid legislation). > Europe has been seriously considering mandating leg protection > for motorcycles, m/c rights groups over there have to be > very active. Virginia tried to keep motorcyclists off > the HOV lanes (in the interest of safety), how much more of > logical leap is it to conclude that keeping motorcycles off > ALL roads (again, in the interest of safety) would be a > good thing? > > I bet if we'd sat back and taken no political action at > all in the past 15-20 years, all we'd have left would be ultra- > wimpy (but fuel efficient) mopeds & scooters to ride. > > > is created by the very organizations which depend on > > motorcyclists' funds to keep 'em running. > > I don't think anyone is getting rich over at the MRF (not > so sure about the AMA, I wish they'd get out of racing) and > I'm personally glad they are out there. > > And as long as the ABATE folks keep yammering about how > helmets break necks and kill people, it's unlikely we'll > get any new laws like airbags, seatbelts, leg protectors, > training wheels, engine governors, helmet-mounted brake > lights (actually not that bad of an idea) or roofs > legislated on new bikes. And don't think for a minute that > these ideas haven't been proposed and/or studied for > us wayward motorcyclists and our "dangerous" machines. > > So I'm more than happy to have all those groups out there > sticking there noses in political doings, leaving me time > to ride my bike freely. > > > next, somebody will chime in and say "but what about the > > government parklands they want to close to off-road > > vehicles????" waaah, waaaah, waaaaah!.... i say go buy > > some land of your fuckin own and ride your shit there. the > > government has the right to close off its lands to any > > activities which may hurt it. > > I'm torn on this issue. I'm not an off-roader, but I might > be if I had a place to legally ride. A backyard isn't enough > space, and I'll never be a wealthy landowner. If my local > government is bulldozing down acres of trees for public soccer > and softball fields, why can't they offer public land for > OHVs? > > And if hiking in National Parks is ok (and encouraged), then > why can't I ride a dirt bike there? > > > do people really feel like these kinds of ads are going to > > do any harm to them? please. > > Imagine electing Al Gore president (who wants to reduce > the number of personal internal combustion vehicles out > there, he says so). Then elect Chuck Robb and more folks > of his kind who obviously consider motorcyclists to be > gun-loving druggie scofflaws. You don't want to know how > that scenario ends... :( <== that's a frowney face for Sean. :) > > > this town is so friggin pc-crazy i get sick to my stomach. > > Agreed. > > > the fact that somebody like al gore gets to the forefront > > of american politics is something the democratic party > > should be embarrassed about. > > Agreed. > > > luckily for the democrats, gore's competition is just as > > much of a pussy > > Sadly again, agreed. My guy lost in the primaries. :( > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > the.horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 17:16:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9BLGdK26568 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13jTDp-000516-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:15:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:16:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Payne's closes In-Reply-To: <200010111509.LAA10153@nas1.washingtonpost.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The food was overpriced and pretty nasty. They did have a Yamaha Virago on the cover of their menus though which I thought was pretty funny for a "Biker" bar. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 17:34:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com (oak.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9BLYmK26829 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA14744; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:33:17 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa12041; Wed, 11 Oct 00 17:30:14 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0G2A00L30BVKME@XXXXXX>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256975.00762178 ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:30:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:29:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Payne's closes To: Hugh Caldwell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256975.0075F998.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Yeah that was kind of intersting ... an "everyman's" bar with "hunt country" prices. Hugh Caldwell on 10/11/2000 05:16:10 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Payne's closes The food was overpriced and pretty nasty. They did have a Yamaha Virago on the cover of their menus though which I thought was pretty funny for a "Biker" bar. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 17:55:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9BLtBK27139 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001011215459.2875.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.201] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:54:59 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:54:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 2 up riding To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" wrote: > * Tom Gimer (t_gimer@XXXXXX) [001010 14:04]: > Tom, you dog - You know that XX kicks ass (at least i > rember one ZX-11 > giving up to an XX with a scared pillon...) :-) damn, z, i forgot to include the XX in the 'sport-tourer' list. but you're right....it is more a sport-tourer than a sportbike (and a damn good one). you know, mike benedict never thanked me for backing off either! i just couldn't bear to watch what you were doing to him, this just hours after he had planted his zx6 under a Carolina guard rail. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 19:50:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9BNoRK28990 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Wed Oct 11 16:50:06 2000 To: "dc cycles" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:50:06 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Iron Butt Advice Needed X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope to write a suitable trip report with pictures and all but I spent a week and did 3200 miles in total. I didn't have the help of electrics on my un-faired Nighthawk so it was layering time. I dare say that anything much below 45 degrees and 60+mph is too damn cold, especially hour after hour. Had I had a fairing I probably would have been better off. I had nice liners inside my basic leather gloves and even a set of cutoff ski gloves for the fingers. The latter worked VERY well but it made control that much more difficult. I think next time I'm going to get a proper set of winter gloves and at least a vest and a mini-fairing before trying a run like that. In harsher cold I reckon a more suitable winshield would be a good idea. My legs really didn't get that cold through the jeans, JR pants, and long john's. The feet were fine in just plain ol' running socks except for Ottawa/Montreal at night. Then I had to donn my pair of woollen hunting socks. There is one very nice thing about having a NH. Those wonderfully hot engine cooling fins where I can reach them and warm up the hands. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 20:09:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9C09kK29275 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-10.patriot.net [209.249.180.10]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9C00YJ19368; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:00:34 -0400 Message-ID: <39E4FEC5.1510E46C@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:59:01 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nelson Fernandez CC: Dale Horstman , Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial -- AMA response References: <20001011183817.25605.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> <39E4C196.8447FEBD@home.com> <39E4C778.F75AD289@pti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I missed the original ad but caught the *revised* addition this evening. No H-D logo, no M/Cs in sight, but one dude had a leather vest on - *black* leather. Oh my, what conclusion can we draw form that? (scratching head) But overall I didn't see any M/C slams in the revised ad. If you're a gun lover you might be offended that Robb/Dems bespeak of anti-gun policys. Not having a gun to pet and drool over, the ad to me was just another political BS ad, piled on top of many other Pol BS ads until the stench from both parties airwave pollution peeks in early November. So on Nov 2 Bill will plod off to the polls and vote for the less of two evils, as usual. Actually, I usually vote for the guy/gal who I think will be most entertaining. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 21:43:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9C1hNK00880 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA05050 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA13851 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([216.174.23.166]) by smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G2ANG100.T8S for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:43:13 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Pete's Get-Off from Cycle Sport Day Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:42:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 For your viewing pleasure (warning, 4 megs in size): http://www.tl1000.com/pete.mpg Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com _ .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 11 23:32:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9C3VxK03990 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31400 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:31:48 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001011232606.00c44a00@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:31:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: 211 Run - need ride sheet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Last organized spirited ride we did Sheetz to 55 to (insert 100 roads here) 211 and Thornton Gap. That particular ride had a couple of gravel roads. Anyone have a non gravel ride sheet for this run? We are doing a VFR ride Saturday to the mountains. Anyone is welcome - VFRs a must! 9:15am Saturday at the Burger King on 7 in Sterling. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 09:53:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3606.mail.yahoo.com (web3606.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9CDrRK15327 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001012135315.16086.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.35.160.32] by web3606.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:53:15 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:53:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: 2 up riding To: Tom Gimer , "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Speaking of Mike, I ran into him about a week ago. Seems he fell in love and sold his bike... Glenn --- Tom Gimer wrote: > you know, mike benedict never thanked me for backing > off > either! i just couldn't bear to watch what you were > doing > to him, this just hours after he had planted his zx6 > under > a Carolina guard rail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 10:06:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CE6QK15564 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id JAA05737 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:06:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id JAA05732 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:06:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA06291; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001012100744.00a252c0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:08:28 -0400 To: Glenn Dysart , Tom Gimer , "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: 2 up riding Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20001012135315.16086.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HUH??!! fell in love = selling bike (?) : ( - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 06:53 AM 10/12/00 -0700, Glenn Dysart wrote: >Speaking of Mike, I ran into him about a week ago. >Seems he fell in love and sold his bike... > >Glenn > >--- Tom Gimer wrote: >> you know, mike benedict never thanked me for backing >> off >> either! i just couldn't bear to watch what you were >> doing >> to him, this just hours after he had planted his zx6 >> under >> a Carolina guard rail. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 10:08:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9CE8eK15574 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001012140833.3112.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.35.160.32] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:08:33 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:08:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: 2 up riding To: Jeannette Zell , Tom Gimer , "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For some people it works that way... Sad but true. Glenn --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > HUH??!! > > fell in love = selling bike (?) : ( > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > At 06:53 AM 10/12/00 -0700, Glenn Dysart wrote: > >Speaking of Mike, I ran into him about a week ago. > >Seems he fell in love and sold his bike... > > > >Glenn > > > >--- Tom Gimer wrote: > >> you know, mike benedict never thanked me for > backing > >> off > >> either! i just couldn't bear to watch what you > were > >> doing > >> to him, this just hours after he had planted his > zx6 > >> under > >> a Carolina guard rail. > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 10:09:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CE9EK15584 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.f9.384c18e (15874) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web28.aolmail.aol.com (web28.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.4]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:09:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:09:00 EDT From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pete's Get-Off from Cycle Sport Day To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Was this guy not paying attention when Joe discussed brake markers?!? "Brake markers? We don't need no stinkin' brake markers!" Sean "Never crashed (yet)" Jordan From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 10:11:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CEB0K15609 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G2B00601LYD2C@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:08:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G2B00568LYDLV@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:08:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G2B00D01LUUEB@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:06:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G2B00D01LU74H@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:06:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G2B009L1LTZUT@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:06:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:07:15 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: FS: Share of DC cycles Tire Changer To: vfr 800 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39E5C593.95827ACD@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: vfr 800 wrote: > > I *still* have a share for the DC cycles tire changer up for sale. > $30 obo. I'm *still* in Kalifornia, so I *still* don't have a use for it > right now. > > Save money and change your own tires!! > > --John > 98VFR Wow, I'm surprised no one has snapped up this offer yet. Membership to the Tire Changer is closed, the only way to get in on the deal now is to buy an existing share. For $30, you get to change your tires for free. Forever. Or until the machine dies (long, long time from now). Dealers sometimes charge $20 to $30 PER WHEEL to mount tires if you bring in a wheel off the bike. Screw that! Use the tire changer once, you get your money back. Everything after that is gravy. Hope it sells quickly, John. Good luck. Horkster (happy share-owner) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 10:12:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9CECOK15685 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001012141216.13923.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.181] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:12:16 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:12:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 2 up riding To: Glenn Dysart , Jeannette Zell , "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'd fall out of love pretty damn quick if i had no way to escape --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > For some people it works that way... Sad but true. > > --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > > HUH??!! > > > > fell in love = selling bike (?) : ( > > > > > > At 06:53 AM 10/12/00 -0700, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > >Speaking of Mike, I ran into him about a week ago. > > >Seems he fell in love and sold his bike... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 10:18:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lmimailg.lmimailg ([198.3.128.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CEIsK15784 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lmimailg.lmimailg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:18:45 -0400 Message-ID: <896B308E481BC245A6A2F26D7074D6DD376921@lmimailg.lmimailg> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: First Spill Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:18:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I had my first get-off last night.. Happened when I cut into a turn to sharp.. I noticed a big pot-hole and instinctively hit the breaks (it was low speed). There was dirt and gravel under my front wheel and the bike immediately took a nose dive to the pavement. I was thrown to the right of the bike. It all happened SO quick that I hardly remember the details. If anyone's interested where it happened it was making a right off of Wisteria onto Great Seneca (you know where the Outback Steakhouse is? over there) Luckily I didn't have my shorts and tank top getup on -- I was wearing Jeans/leather jacket and boots.. so there was no damage to me.. Brian 99VFR p.s. I actually got back on this morning and made the 25 mile commute to work.. I had to... From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 10:28:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e24.nc.us.ibm.com (e24.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CESMK15939 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e24.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22368; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:30:07 -0500 Received: from d04nms69.raleigh.ibm.com (d04nms69nms70.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.69]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.93) with ESMTP id KAA92040; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:28:15 -0400 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: First Spill To: broberso@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 (Intl) 21 March 2000 Message-ID: From: "Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:28:14 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D04NMS69/04/M/IBM(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 10/12/2000 10:28:14 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oooops! Glad to hear you're okay. Take it easy out there!!! Regards, Tom Knapik '83 CX650C E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 "ROBERSON, Brian" on 10/12/2000 10:18:44 AM To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" cc: Subject: First Spill I had my first get-off last night.. Happened when I cut into a turn to sharp.. I noticed a big pot-hole and instinctively hit the breaks (it was low speed). There was dirt and gravel under my front wheel and the bike immediately took a nose dive to the pavement. I was thrown to the right of the bike. It all happened SO quick that I hardly remember the details. If anyone's interested where it happened it was making a right off of Wisteria onto Great Seneca (you know where the Outback Steakhouse is? over there) Luckily I didn't have my shorts and tank top getup on -- I was wearing Jeans/leather jacket and boots.. so there was no damage to me.. Brian 99VFR p.s. I actually got back on this morning and made the 25 mile commute to work.. I had to... From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 10:36:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mail.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CEagK16102 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.6.c98d0ef (15865) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:36:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:36:33 EDT From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FS: Share of DC cycles Tire Changer To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <6.c98d0ef.27172671@aol.com> How do you guys balance the tire after mounting? Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 10:40:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CEelK16131 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.7.41]) id QQjkpe17003; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:40:45 GMT Received: from usashexims04.corp.us.uu.net by gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.84.15]) id QQjkpe12238; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4KCMSFP9>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:36:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX'" , "'chris.weaver@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Biketoberfest Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:36:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Perhaps I'm NOT the only that thinks the Robb ad has been ever-so-slightly blown out of proportion (although, if it were a sport bike rider portrayed, I'd probably be mad as a hornet!!) ;) On the other hand, my parents have lived in Daytona for nearly 20 years and have always said that bike weeks are generally among the most peaceful of the group gatherings that take place in Daytona. Their only complaint...."loud pipes." While there are isolated incidents, for the most part, the bikers are low key and respectful. In fact, when my Aunt Catherine (in her late 60s) scolded a group of HD riders for tossing a beer can into a convenience store parking lot, they immediately hopped off of their bikes and picked up the whole lot!! (She has that affect on people!). Corbett, I'll be at Bikeberfest, too, with Bill Siemens (no. 616) and Jim Gaal (no. 153) who are racing. Come look for us! I hope you have a safe trip. Sally '98 GS500E Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:06:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: RE: FW: Anti-Motorcyclist political commercial To: DC Cycles Chris- True there are fatalities at Bike Week & Biketoberfest in Daytona..most of which are due to car/motorcycle contact. Perhaps there are fights on occasion - but they rarely result in fatalities and the fights themselves are with no more increased occurrence than at any large gathering where activities involve alcohol consumption. Of the fights that take place, most are between the "weekend warriors" and not members of an outlaw MC club who generally observe the "No [MC club] Colors and No Attitude rule" when requested by event organizers and/or saloons. Additionally, outlaw MC club members will follow their own Club "Code of Conduct" which recommends that violent interaction between rival outlaw club members be avoided - as it can quickly result in an escalation of violence between the MC clubs. I've spoken with bar and restaurant owners in Myrtle and Daytona who unanimously agree that they enjoy having the bikers in town in contrast with the Sport Bike events where some wished they could "roll up the streets and take a weeks vacation." As far as Bikers wearing "bizarre" outfits..I guess that is really in the eye of the beholder. Sure it attracts fetishist who use the motorcycle arena as an excuse to indulge in some fantasy..generally the wildest gettups are on the weekend warriors. The veteran bikers generally wear gear that is comfortable, durable, & and is suitable for layering for a variety of climate and riding conditions.. I somewhat agree on the loud pipe comment though. It may be the single most common complaint and definitely a point of contention among citizens. It certainly does not endear bikers to individuals who do not appreciate motorcycles in the first place. I'm headin' for Biketoberfest on Wednesday or Thursday..I'll do my own annall..anaalliy...analyssss...[hic]...I'll do a friggin' poll while I'm there. :-p -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS --- Christopher Weaver wrote: > Actually, this is incorrect. There are almost always > fatalities during > Daytona, due not to motorcycle crashes alone, but > also drunken fights. > > When I was at Biketoberfest last year, I recall > hearing that two or three > people were killed. This is, of course, in a crowd > of thousands, so you > could argue that the same number of fatalities would > have happened even if > the event never took place. > > I have to agree that Harley folks can't have it both > ways - they act the > "outlaw" with the bizarre outfits and loud pipes and > then bitch and moan > when someone uses it against them. > > Regards, > Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 10:41:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CEf0K16141 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0G2B00901NFTPR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:40:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G2B00905NFTPF@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:40:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) id <0G2B00H01NFTN2@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:40:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0G2B00H01NFMM2@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:40:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0G2B00GDENFDCJ@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:40:26 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:39:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: 2 up riding To: Glenn Dysart Cc: Tom Gimer , "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39E5CD28.7AEFEA5E@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20001012135315.16086.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Speaking of Mike, I ran into him about a week ago. > Seems he fell in love and sold his bike... Usually when I fall in love it involves *buying* a bike. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 10:44:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9CEiUK16215 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001012144421.12178.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:44:21 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:44:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Wanted: Future MSF Instructors To: DC-Cycles Cc: gramburn@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi folks... Time to start beating the drum again... as you know several DC-Cycles members are also MSF instructors. With sites in Germana and Winchester becoming more popular, and Alexandria and Loudoun constantly being booked up months in advance, there is always a need for more instructors. The IPW (Instructor Prep Workshop) is being offered in March 2001. The info is contained in the e-mail below. The best person to contact for further information, signing up, etc. is Dave Hepburn, gramburn@XXXXXX. Even if you are just thinking about it in the back of your minds, drop Dave some e-mail. There will be an orientation session in December for those who are thinking about it... helps to give you more information so you can decide if you want to go ahead. [when you contact Dave, tell him I sent ya... I keep bugging management for a recruitment bonus, but they never come through on it... ;-) ] I won't lie and say it's a piece of cake to become an instructor. Does take some time and effort. But it's also one of the most rewarding things I have ever done. If there is anything I can answer for you feel free to ask. (By the way, this IPW is for VA instructors... there are MD people who teach in VA, but MD has their own IPW for new MD instructors) Louis --- david h wrote: > Subject: Spring 2000 IPW @ Loudoun > > Ladies and Gentlemen: > > Seems like the off-season is getting shorter and shorter. We haven't > even finished this year's classes and already we are talking about next > year's updates and the next course for instructor candidates at Loudoun. > > The dates for next Spring's class will begin with the weekend of March > 16-18, continue with the weekend of March 23-25, and finish on the > weekend of March 30-April 1; trying to avoid the Int'l M/C conference in > Orlando, March 1-4, and Daytona the following week/weekend. > > Plan to have an "orientation" one Sat. morning at Alex or Loudoun in > Dec. Give an overview of what's involved, allow for some > interaction--make as sure as one can that people understand not only > what the course entails, but teaching at the various locations > available. Louie and I did one of these last year. Seemed to help weed > out the "just curious", before they get handed their pre-course > assignment in Feb. > > Those of you who have referred individuals already--Thank you!!! The > rest of you get your thinking caps on!! Talk it up with your fellow > "club members", other riding contacts, etc. With Germana's schedule > continuing to add more offerings, Scott and Bob expanding Winchester's > classes, keeping as many weekday slots going as possible at Alex and > Loudoun, and the always demanding weekend programs at Alex and Loudoun, > the only resource where we come up short is instructors. They are out > there. Someone found us!! Do you remember who that person was?? > > Dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 10:47:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CElKK16294 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13jjcg-0000hu-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:46:18 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:47:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 211 Run - need ride sheet In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001011232606.00c44a00@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Troutman wrote: > Anyone is welcome - VFRs a must! > Uhh so if I show up on my Kawasaki are you guys gonna stone me? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 10:49:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CEnYK16304 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G2B00701NSKSH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:48:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G2B003LHNSKIY@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:48:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G2B00A01NP1HI@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:46:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G2B00A01NOQCC@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:46:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G2B008EYNOES7@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:45:51 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:47:07 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: FS: Share of DC cycles Tire Changer To: Eternity23@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39E5CEEB.465132B5@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <6.c98d0ef.27172671@aol.com> Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > > How do you guys balance the tire after mounting? > > Sean Jordan I take a good look at the wheel, then say "yep, it's balanced!" Hasn't caused me any grief yet, after 6 or 7 tire changes. :) Balancing is over-rated on street bikes, IMO. It's that whole princess-and-the-pea thing. Hork PS: I did actually balance Tracy's front wheel once, while chasing down a headshake problem. It didn't make a difference. I think it was loose head bearings. PPS: If you must balance a wheel, a couple of jack stands, a piece of chalk, and some stick on weights will do you just fine. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 10:51:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CEp9K16383 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id JAA10797 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:51:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id JAA10793 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:51:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07584; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001012105054.00a26c50@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:53:11 -0400 To: Dale Horstman , Glenn Dysart From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: 2 up riding Cc: Tom Gimer , "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <39E5CD28.7AEFEA5E@home.com> References: <20001012135315.16086.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Seriously! I fell in love and he FOUND me a BETTER bike! If he/she makes you give up your first love, it's not meant to be!!! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >Usually when I fall in love it involves *buying* a bike. :) > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >the.horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > >1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer >1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 11:12:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net (relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net [38.9.157.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CFCEK16736 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13jjxV-0003Rc-00; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:07:49 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id S9V4D6PP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:54:57 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: "Jeannette Zell" , "Dale Horstman" , "Glenn Dysart" Cc: "Tom Gimer" , "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , Subject: RE: 2 up riding Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:10:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001012105054.00a26c50@intertv.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 My husband introduced me to motorcyles. Then I bought him a new bike (I got an engagement ring...he got an engagement bike). Now we both ride. I always have to chuckle when I see ads that say "Must sell, mean wife". Michiko -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:jzell@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 9:53 AM To: Dale Horstman; Glenn Dysart Cc: Tom Gimer; Zbigniew J. Tyrlik; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding Seriously! I fell in love and he FOUND me a BETTER bike! If he/she makes you give up your first love, it's not meant to be!!! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >Usually when I fall in love it involves *buying* a bike. :) > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >the.horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > >1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer >1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 11:50:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CFojK17350 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id r.44.7eccf6d (15814); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web31.aolmail.aol.com (web31.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.7]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:50:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:50:00 EDT From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <44.7eccf6d.271737a9@aol.com> His first mistake. Let's hope he's smart and realizes it soon. Cardinal Rule #1: NEVER EVER EVER sell your bike for anything but to buy another one. Jess From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 12:12:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9CGCYK17655 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001012161227.20049.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:12:27 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:12:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: 2 up riding To: Jeannette Zell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > HUH??!! > > fell in love = selling bike (?) : ( > > I guess some people feel the need to change in order to be loved. While compromise is a reality for a couple, but compromise doesn't mean change who you are. Stop riding motorcycles?? come on.. NEVER!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 12:19:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9CGIwK17744 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001012161851.28359.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.181] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:18:51 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:18:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 2 up riding To: Matthew Ehlert , Jeannette Zell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Matthew Ehlert wrote: > --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > > HUH??!! > > > > fell in love = selling bike (?) : ( > > > > I guess some people feel the need to change in order > to be loved. While compromise is a reality for a > couple, but compromise doesn't mean change who you > are. Stop riding motorcycles?? come on.. NEVER!!! "But what about when we have kids? You'll stop riding then, right???" "So we can BOTH sit home with those miserable brats? Puhh-leeaase!" -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 12:21:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CGLdK17831 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id LAA22766 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:21:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id LAA22762 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:21:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA09833; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001012122140.00a1bb40@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:23:42 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , Matthew Ehlert From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: 2 up riding Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20001012161851.28359.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" LOL, luckily Tom (my Tom) brought that issue up first with me, so I think he should be the one sitting home with the kids instead of me. : ) It never occurred to me, really. But I guess if/when I get pregnant, I'd look pretty funny on my bike and give some people REAL heart attacks! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >"But what about when we have kids? You'll stop riding >then, right???" > >"So we can BOTH sit home with those miserable brats? >Puhh-leeaase!" > > >-- >tg > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 12:26:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CGQtK17852 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03662 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:26:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:26:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding In-Reply-To: <20001012161227.20049.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Been watching this for a while now... I sold my last bike, a Yamaha FJ1200, and used the money to buy my (now) wife an engagement ring. It took some time, but, I am back on 2 wheels again with the recent acquisition of a VFR. Would I do it again? Sure. The FJ wasn't getting the kind of attention it needed at that point... and it found a better home that I was giving it. And, I've found a very wonderful person to share the rest of my life with -- one who enjoys riding, who enjoys seeing me happy and doing things that make me happy... like riding!! I never made a choice between two things. I didn't sell my helmet and gear, just my bike. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 12:34:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CGY0K18008 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id LAA24021 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:33:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id LAA24017 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:33:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA10133; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001012123428.00a2c840@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:36:01 -0400 To: Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: 2 up riding In-Reply-To: References: <20001012161227.20049.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I know what you mean... Tom's mom said she knew Tom was in love when he sold his computer for my engagement ring! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 12:26 PM 10/12/00 -0400, Dan Brown wrote: > >Been watching this for a while now... > >I sold my last bike, a Yamaha FJ1200, and used the money to buy my >(now) wife an engagement ring. It took some time, but, I am back on >2 wheels again with the recent acquisition of a VFR. > > >-- >Dan Brown >brown@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 12:41:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CGfgK18100 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9CGfdX10150445 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E5E9BE.52C2AC2D@radix.net> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:41:34 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding References: <20001012161227.20049.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> <4.1.20001012123428.00a2c840@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette Zell wrote: > > I know what you mean... > Tom's mom said she knew Tom was in love when he sold his computer for my > engagement ring! LOL I'll know I'm in love when I hock the wife's engagement ring for a new bike :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 12:46:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mail.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CGkVK18253 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.5a.bb72aad (5713) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32.aolmail.aol.com (web32.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.8]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:46:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:46:22 EDT From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <5a.bb72aad.271744de@aol.com> <> I wish I could hock the engagement ring my ex gave me so I could by my race bike! Any ideas? Jess '99 F4 (Needs a new home) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 12:48:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CGm5K18273 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id LAA25589 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:48:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id LAA25585 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:48:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA10498; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001012124920.00a2c370@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:50:05 -0400 To: Dave Yates From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: 2 up riding Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <39E5E9BE.52C2AC2D@radix.net> References: <20001012161227.20049.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> <4.1.20001012123428.00a2c840@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nah, if you did that, you KNOW you'd be dead. Don't lie. ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > I'll know I'm in love when I hock the wife's engagement ring for a new >bike :-) > > > >-- >'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' >Dave Yates >'97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' >SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA >http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ >Systems Programmer >(301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 12:49:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9CGnPK18291 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001012164917.29339.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.181] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:49:17 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:49:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 2 up riding To: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii is it insured??? --- HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX wrote: > < ring for a new bike :-)>> > > I wish I could hock the engagement ring my ex gave me so > I could by my race bike! Any ideas? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 12:50:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CGoJK18370 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9CGoFX9843436; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E5EBC2.28DEC2ED@radix.net> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:50:10 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette Zell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding References: <20001012161227.20049.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> <4.1.20001012123428.00a2c840@XXXXXX> <4.1.20001012124920.00a2c370@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette Zell wrote: > > Nah, if you did that, you KNOW you'd be dead. Don't lie. ; ) SHH! maybe she won't miss it... It could happen... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 12:54:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CGsYK18388 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.61.7e8e0fb (5713) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web35.aolmail.aol.com (web35.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.11]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:54:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:54:12 EDT From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <61.7e8e0fb.271746b5@aol.com> I think I know where you're heading with that Tom. :o) But no, it's not insured. I just got it appraised at just under $800 though. Can't sell it right now because the diamond market is so damn cheap as far as buy backs. Wanna buy it? :o) Or trade for a race bike? hehe Jess In a message dated Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:49:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tom Gimer writes: << is it insured??? --- HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX wrote: > < ring for a new bike :-)>> > > I wish I could hock the engagement ring my ex gave me so > I could by my race bike! Any ideas? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 13:11:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3603.mail.yahoo.com (web3603.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9CHBNK18628 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001012171107.28463.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.35.160.32] by web3603.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:11:07 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:11:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: 2 up riding To: Tom Gimer , Matthew Ehlert , Jeannette Zell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOL, ain't that the truth... Glenn --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > "But what about when we have kids? You'll stop > riding > then, right???" > > "So we can BOTH sit home with those miserable brats? > > Puhh-leeaase!" > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 14:16:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CIGXK19751 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.15]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id OAA17581 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:16:29 -0400 X-Really-To: Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:19:26 -0400 Message-ID: <01C03457.6D69E730.dthompso1@erols.com> From: Danny Thompson Reply-To: "dthompso1@XXXXXX" To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Covered trailer for sale Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:19:25 -0400 Organization: Technology Education X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 12 TEXT Race trailer formerly owned by Jon Broga. 6 x 10, ramp rear door, side door, "custom" shelves. Black with "Leanin Lizard" logo (and other race related). Good condition. Asking $1800. Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '00 SV www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 15:31:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mail.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CJVtK21008 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 2.69.ba03cb0 (15890) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web31.aolmail.aol.com (web31.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.7]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:31:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:31:38 EDT From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: Rider Down at the GNF To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <69.ba03cb0.27176b9a@aol.com> I just got a call from a teammate. He informed me that Bryan Roach went down on the 125. I don't have specific details at this point, but he said that he hit the wall at turn 1 really hard. He's okay now, but he has a concussion and of course the bike is probably trashed. Hopefully Bryan and/or Laura won't kill me for posting this to the list, but please be sure and send your prayers and well wishes his way. Jess WERA Novice #435 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 15:48:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CJmNK21255 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id OAA19780 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:48:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id OAA19774 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:48:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA15245; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001012154905.00a339d0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:50:23 -0400 To: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX, From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Rider Down at the GNF In-Reply-To: <69.ba03cb0.27176b9a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" OMG, thanks for telling us. Let us know if you hear anything else. *crossing fingers for him* - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 03:31 PM 10/12/00 -0400, HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX wrote: >I just got a call from a teammate. He informed me that Bryan Roach went >down on the 125. I don't have specific details at this point, but he said >that he hit the wall at turn 1 really hard. He's okay now, but he has a >concussion and of course the bike is probably trashed. Hopefully Bryan >and/or Laura won't kill me for posting this to the list, but please be sure >and send your prayers and well wishes his way. > >Jess >WERA Novice #435 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 15:57:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9CJvCK21403 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Thu Oct 12 12:56:52 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:56:52 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Calling Todd Peer X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need to talk to you about where you live, re: Springfield. Respond please? theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 15:57:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9CJvCK21402 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Thu Oct 12 12:56:52 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:56:52 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Calling Todd Peer X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need to talk to you about where you live, re: Springfield. Respond please? theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 16:27:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CKRRK21882 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0G2C001013H7Y9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:27:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G2C0016J3H78T@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:27:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G2C001013DORR@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:25:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G2C001013DGQT@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:25:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G2C00IDO3D0E3@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:24:37 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:25:53 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Good post m/c crash website To: DC Cycles List Message-id: <39E61E51.58C1972@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en I found this site to be interesting. Wear your gear, folks. It helps. http://209.209.50.26/kengreen/motorcycle/crash/home.htm Ride safe, Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 17:02:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CL2iK22468 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31746 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:02:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:02:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Good post m/c crash website In-Reply-To: <39E61E51.58C1972@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > http://209.209.50.26/kengreen/motorcycle/crash/home.htm > a search on google.com brings up lots of hits for "motorcycle wreck" Here's a news article that caught my eye: http://www.al.com/news/huntsville/Sep2000/5-e11301.html Yet another biker killed by someone doing something dumb with a minivan. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 17:31:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CLVEK22909 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-69.patriot.net [209.249.180.69]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9CLV0J10400; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:31:00 -0400 Message-ID: <39E62D33.67CE8B3C@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:29:23 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FS: Share of DC cycles Tire Changer References: <6.c98d0ef.27172671@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Balance ??? Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > How do you guys balance the tire after mounting? > > Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 17:35:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mx2.inr.net (mx2.inr.net [198.77.208.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CLZCK22988 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bobm (03-122.041.popsite.net [64.24.224.122]) by mx2.inr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA76062; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007001c03493$f01c5780$7ae01840@bobm> Reply-To: "Bob Malehorn" From: "Bob Malehorn" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles List" References: <39E61E51.58C1972@home.com> Subject: Re: LDRider: Good post m/c crash website Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:32:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Dale Horstman > I found this site to be interesting. Wear your gear, > folks. It helps. > > http://209.209.50.26/kengreen/motorcycle/crash/home.htm > Dale, if you want more stories of the benefits of gear I have a bunch on my sight. Many also expose the mental errors of their crashes for us to learn from. http://www.malehorn.com/lugelessness.htm Bouncin Bob Malehorn Mentor, OH 98 BMW K12RS 98 BMW R12C 69? H-1 (needs mucho help) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 17:54:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CLsWK23233 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-69.patriot.net [209.249.180.69]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9CLZDJ10940; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:35:13 -0400 Message-ID: <39E62E30.4AB4B72F@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:33:36 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette Zell CC: Dale Horstman , Glenn Dysart , Tom Gimer , "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding References: <20001012135315.16086.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> <4.1.20001012105054.00a26c50@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette Zell wrote: > Seriously! I fell in love and he FOUND me a BETTER bike! > If he/she makes you give up your first love, it's not meant to be!!! ; ) > Err... Well, when I fell in love - again - *she* kind of demanded that I give up the hot redhead in Hickory NC. Methinks my idea of bolting on a sidecar to carry the extra corider set her off.... Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 18:24:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CMOrK23683 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA10195 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA12074 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([216.174.23.74]) by smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G2C8X000.P5D; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:24:36 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Rider Down at the GNF Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:24:11 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <69.ba03cb0.27176b9a@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Thanks for letting us know. I'm praying he is okay. Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX [mailto:HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 3:32 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Rider Down at the GNF > > > I just got a call from a teammate. He informed me that Bryan > Roach went down on the 125. I don't have specific details at > this point, but he said that he hit the wall at turn 1 really > hard. He's okay now, but he has a concussion and of course the > bike is probably trashed. Hopefully Bryan and/or Laura won't > kill me for posting this to the list, but please be sure and send > your prayers and well wishes his way. > > Jess > WERA Novice #435 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 18:40:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9CMeDK23909 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001012224003.GPTM28639.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@XXXXXX>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:40:03 -0700 Message-ID: <39E63D8D.65BD1234@home.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:39:09 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FS: Share of DC cycles Tire Changer References: <6.c98d0ef.27172671@aol.com> <39E62D33.67CE8B3C@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > > Balance ??? > Thanks, Bill, I was beginning to think I was the only one who views balancing tires as unnecessary on a street bike. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 19:04:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9CN4PK24355 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001012230407.14289.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.177] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:04:07 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:04:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: FS: Share of DC cycles Tire Changer To: Bill Huson , Eternity23@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii every once in a while, a mounted tire will be so unbalanced that you can actually tell....and it don't feel good. luckily, i have a friend with a static balancer! the dc-cycles tire changer co-op should collect $3-4 per shareholder and buy one, i think --- Bill Huson wrote: > Balance ??? > > Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > > > How do you guys balance the tire after mounting? > > > > Sean Jordan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 12 22:51:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9D2pjK28671 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001013025143.NQOM28639.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:51:43 -0700 Message-ID: <008c01c034c0$b05e2920$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <20001012230407.14289.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: FS: '96 Vulcan 750 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:52:55 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 My soon to be former boss and her husband have decided to quit their jobs, buy a camper and tour the country. As a result, they are selling their bikes. Her description of the remaining bike follows. > The bike: > > '96 Vulcan 750, gorgeous red, 18K, garage stored, maintained by Kawasaki > of Manassas, new leather saddlebags. Asking $4K. If intrested, e-mail me off list and I'll put you in touch. James From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 00:37:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9D4bLK00390 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001013043034.11472.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:30:34 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:30:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Bike Night To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rich wrote: "BTW, tomorrow night (Thursday) is the bi-weekly Purcellville Bike Night. It is at the White Palace Restaurant at the flashing light on Business Rt. 7 in Purcellville. Folks are usually there from 6:30 to 9:30 or so. Truly a great bunch of folks, and some *really* cool bikes." While I think the bike night idea is always a cool thing, I would urge them to find a new location. After the biker "profiling" issue back over memorial day, I've vowed not to spend another penny in that town ever again, nor will any ride that I lead will have a planned stop there. I've been a bit slack, but I'll be writing the town a letter letting em know that too. For those that don't recall, 9 of us were given a reckless driving ticket while stopped at a stop sign about 16 miles away from the town. The short of the story is that the local "colonel" was prepared to testify in court that we were riding through town passing each other, riding two abreast, high rates of speed, wheelies, etc. Which was an absolute 100% lie. for those that have ridden with me, I ride like a bat out of hell in the country, but in town I bring it back to look like mr model citizen.... Just my thoughts ono things. Choose to spend your money there or not, but just wanted to let everyone know that someone in that town does NOT like bikers, and he has the ability to literally cost you hundreds to thousands of dollars on a whim. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 01:01:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9D517K00757 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001013050100.19593.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:01:00 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:01:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Oh yeah!! %^) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Grin :) and bear it Sean.... At least they aren't picking on me for screwing up a converstion to the metric system any more! hehe DOH! just reminded everyone :( Re: dalling in love selling bike... I don't get it?? fall in love means with a bike right?? ;-) sell old one (sniuff sniff) buy new one, yay!! hehe Oh wait, he meant a woman..hehe sounds like he didn't search for the right type! Gotta latch on to the ones that love bikes just as much as you do! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 09:14:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f29.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DDE6K09825 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:13:58 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:13:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: nighthawk700@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: gramburn@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wanted: Future MSF Instructors Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:13:58 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2000 13:13:58.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[728B5DF0:01C03517] Do we know of a contact for MD instructors/classes, etc.? Rob '98 VFR800 >(By the way, this IPW is for VA instructors... there are MD people who >teach in >VA, but MD has their own IPW for new MD instructors) > >Louis > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 10:07:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9DE7GK10663 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001013140708.19968.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:07:08 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:07:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Wanted: Future MSF Instructors - MD Contact To: Rob Keiser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: gramburn@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Rob Keiser wrote: > Do we know of a contact for MD instructors/classes, etc.? > > Rob > '98 VFR800 A couple of people have asked me this... I searched on Google (http://www.google.com) and found this: http://www.mva.state.md.us/moto/page10.htm 1-800-638-1722 or 410-508-2439 (Didn't mention any contact person or dates) For those who are now teaching in MD, I have a few questions... On the web page it says instructors must pass a physical, and must be able to teach twice a month. Is that theory, or how they actually do it in MD? This year, I taught once a month in VA and find that is plenty (need to have a life as well!) Some instructors in VA just teach 2 or 3 times the whole year. [Minimum is once a year] Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to get into a "Maryland vs. Virginia" debate, I was just surprised by the requirements, and wondered how things were done in actual practice. I actually looked into teaching in MD a few years back, when some deaf people in MD were thinking of taking the MSF course [I can teach in sign language]. However, the person I spoke to at the time said I'd have to take the full IPW in Maryland, even though I was already a certified instructor. [Leon pointed out I should have done it as contract work, and charged interpreter rates... $$$!!] Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://MD-20-20.tripod.com Home Page: http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 10:15:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9DEFWK10855 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001013141508.6602.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:15:08 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:15:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: 2 up riding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dan Brown wrote: > > Been watching this for a while now... > > I sold my last bike, a Yamaha FJ1200, and used the > money to buy my > (now) wife an engagement ring. romantic story Personally i just think you sold the wrong item.... it would have been a more romantic story if you sold the car! and as far as the engagement ring in our culture....i think it's a bunch of BS if you link it to marriage. Nothing to do with marriage.... just a piece of jewelery that could never signify your love for one another. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 10:14:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DEEVK10774 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:13:44 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F77FF52@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Balance ??? Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:14:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Bill Huson quipped, " Balance ???" & Dale gushed, "Thanks, Bill, I was beginning to think I was the only one who views balancing tires as unnecessary on a street bike. :)" But if you just gotta . . . balance. Collect: a broom stick (or if too big, then an appropriate sized dowel), two picnic benchs (or chairs, boxes, trash cans), some rim cleaner (e.g. rubbing alcohol), stick on weights (oh, ooo, oo, -- or clip ons if you gottem) a piece of chalk (or drywall) a beverage and entertaining music Sit and spin the wheel on the broom stick. (if it doesn't spin, you have other, more urgent problems) Mark the light side, repeat. If it matches, stick on a weight (sigh, on the light side) spin the tire Mark the light side, repeat If it matches, stick on a weight (sigh) Repeat until the light side comes up randomly, or you run out of weights, beverage, or patience. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 10:31:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9704.mail.yahoo.com (web9704.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.140]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9DEVcK11148 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001013143058.30404.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9704.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:30:58 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:30:58 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: Re: Bike Night To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It sucks about the tickets. Maybe I would avoid the place too if I had been in that group. But I really like the Purcellville get-togethers. And it's really not up to me to change the location. So for those 2 reasons, I will continue to go. In over 2 years of going there every 2 weeks (I may have missed 2 or 3 "meetings" at the most), none of us has ever been hassled by the man. Honest. Even when the bikes overflow the parking space in front of the restaurant into yellow curb territory (we're a rowdy bunch of 'ooligans ;)). I'm not trying to convince anyone to come out to Purcellville. There are almost too many people trying to crowd into the place as it is. If you don't like the place, don't come. As for me and my bike, we will go to Purcellville. :) ...and other places too. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 10:46:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9DEkcK11413 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Fri Oct 13 07:46:06 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:46:06 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well I have a little over 5k on my set and the rear tire is wearing badly. It has a nice 2 inch wide squared off section. Can make shallow leans rather interesting when riding on that tire ridge. (deep leans are great!) I was running the PSI at around 35-38 and while I really liked the grip and wet traction it's now down to maybe 1mm of tread depth in the center of the tire. Obviously if I were canyon carving every time I was on the bike the wear pattern would probably be a little better but commuting hardly leads to such ideal situations. So while the front is doing great, I am wondering if I really want to stay with the metzler on the rear. The Mac90 I had before didn't wear quite this poorly. Maybe I should try a BattleAX? Anyone remember who it is that makes a tire with a specifically extra hard compound in that center stripe with softer on the shoulders? While I mull my decision I'll switch over to my spare set of wheels with the Dunlop 205's (or whatever stock was) and see how badly they rate. Never run the bike on the stock tires. Maybe SS10's next? DP207's? I think I'll stay away from the Mich Pilot's as I don't exactly need sportbike tires on the Nighthawk. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 10:48:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mail.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DEmKK11443 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.40.207e8b2 (16781) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:48:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: <40.207e8b2.27187aa0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:48:00 EDT Subject: Re: Rider Down at the GNF To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 7 Aw man, this sucks. The way the schedule reads, the 125cc race was the FIRST race of the day. Best of my knowledge, 125 was a 'fun' race for Brian. D-Super and Form. 2 were the ones he wanted to rock, and of course, came later in the same day. I don't know if he made the other races, but after being concussed...Damn, that sucks. A lot. I couldn't wait to hear about the mighty RR gobbling up a few "pokey" SV's. (No offense, Randy & Danny.) Oh well. There's always next year. Hopefully Randy & Fred are having a better time. Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 10:49:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9701.mail.yahoo.com (web9701.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.137]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9DEniK11507 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001013144935.39120.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9701.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:49:35 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:49:35 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: RE: Rider Down at the GNF To: DCC , HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Any more news on Bryan Roach? Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 10:49:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DEnpK11517 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9DEnlX9542591 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E72104.B1B1097@radix.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:49:40 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding References: <20001013141508.6602.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > I sold my last bike, a Yamaha FJ1200, and used the > > money to buy my (now) wife an engagement ring. > > romantic story > > Personally i just think you sold the wrong item.... it > would have been a more romantic story if you sold the > car! > > and as far as the engagement ring in our culture....i > think it's a bunch of BS if you link it to marriage. I don't know who's worse - the diamond/precious stone 'industry' for their insidious marketing technique. Women [not all] for placing such an artificial value on diamond/etc... ring. or Men [not all] for caving in & buying them... > Nothing to do with marriage.... I'm with you, let's start a new tradition with the next generation, instead of an engagement ring, we should give an engagement motorcycle :-) > just a piece of jewelery that could never signify your love for one > another. I agree, but when I make this assertion to my wife, she gets... that look... this is usually followed by silence, the sudden arrival of a mysterious chill in the air, dark clouds arriving, more silence, and it usually means an end to any chance of pleasant conversation that evening. After a scant 5 years, she's already asked for another ring 'to show her I'd marry her all over'. So I counter offered 'if you buy me a new MV Agusta, I'll get you a new ring'. I'm still waiting & so is she. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 11:01:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DF1hK11742 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9DF1eX10631645 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E723CD.52B36927@radix.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:01:33 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Patton wrote: > > well I have a little over 5k on my set and the rear tire is wearing badly. It has a nice 2 inch wide squared off section. > Can make shallow leans rather interesting when riding on that tire ridge. (deep leans are great!) I was running the PSI at > around 35-38 and while I really liked the grip and wet traction it's now down to maybe 1mm of tread depth in the center of > the tire. hmm... does your commute involve a high slab to curve ratio ? Mine does to, so I vary it with back roads, even if I have to go a few miles out of the way... > Obviously if I were canyon carving every time I was on the bike the wear pattern would probably be a little better but > commuting hardly leads to such ideal situations. But it CAN lead to such ideal situations with a few cleverly designed detours... > So while the front is doing great, I am wondering if I really want to stay with the metzler on the rear. The Mac90 I had > before didn't wear quite this poorly. Maybe I should try a BattleAX? Anyone remember who it is that makes a tire with a > specifically extra hard compound in that center stripe with softer on the shoulders? I *think* it's Dunlop. I use D207 streets, & my last set I got over 6k - I suspect arount 6400 - front & over 6800 rear miles. The front was replaced for a vibration, the rear I actually wore through & had a belt showing. The tread & stick were still very good at replacement time... There was a lot of commuting miles involved, but nonetheless, they saw more than their share of high speeds, twisties & other tom foolery... > > While I mull my decision I'll switch over to my spare set of wheels with the Dunlop 205's (or whatever stock was) and see > how badly they rate. Never run the bike on the stock tires. Maybe SS10's next? DP207's? I think I'll stay away from the > Mich Pilot's as I don't exactly need sportbike tires on the Nighthawk. Traction is like money - it's better to have and not need, than to need & not have... as always, YMMV [no pun intended] -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 11:03:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DF3XK11752 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12133 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:03:28 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:03:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding In-Reply-To: <20001013141508.6602.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Matthew Ehlert wrote: > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:15:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: Matthew Ehlert > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: 2 up riding > > --- Dan Brown wrote: > > > > Been watching this for a while now... > > > > I sold my last bike, a Yamaha FJ1200, and used the > > money to buy my > > (now) wife an engagement ring. > > > romantic story > > Personally i just think you sold the wrong item.... it > would have been a more romantic story if you sold the > car! Trust me, I considered it. While parting with the bike was sad, it really, as I mentioned before, wasn't getting the attention it deserved. I didn't have a garage and someone stole my cover, Kryptonite lock and chain, and neighborhood Arlington police officer living across the street not withstanding. It got sold to a guy (Tom Biggs for those on the NEDOD list) who's put a lot of time, effort and care into the maintenance, and who's put a hell of a lot of miles on it. The FJ has been much happier at its new home. > and as far as the engagement ring in our culture....i > think it's a bunch of BS if you link it to marriage. Both my wife and I thought that way too. We were engaged a good 6 mo before we decided to get a ring. > Nothing to do with marriage.... just a piece of > jewelery that could never signify your love for one > another. It is not the embodyment of our marriage, but its a hell of a nice reminder, available for viewing on a daily basis. :-) -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 11:12:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9DFCXK11912 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001013151225.26484.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.206] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:12:25 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:12:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Matthew Patton wrote: > well I have a little over 5k on my set and the rear tire > is wearing badly. It has a nice 2 inch wide squared off > section. Can make shallow leans rather interesting when > riding on that tire ridge. (deep leans are great!) I was > running the PSI at around 35-38 and while I really liked > the grip and wet traction it's now down to maybe 1mm of > tread depth in the center of the tire. Obviously if I > were canyon carving every time I was on the bike the wear > pattern would probably be a little better but commuting > hardly leads to such ideal situations. So while the front > is doing great, I am wondering if I really want to stay > with the metzler on the rear. The Mac90 I had before > didn't wear quite this poorly. Maybe I should try a > BattleAX? Anyone remember who it is that makes a tire > with a specifically extra hard compound in that center > stripe with softer on the shoulders? yep....you used it: the metzeler me-z4 (among others) i've got a set mounted right now....and i'm equally disappointed in them, but for different reasons. they are absolutely confidence UN-inspiring when leaned way over. i made the mistake of putting these on (thinking that they were me-z3s) and will never do it again. they're pretty goddamn durable, but i just can't heat em up enough to get em to stick well....even with spirited twisty riding they just barely get roughed up. i'm goin back to pilot sports or D207s. > While I mull my decision I'll switch over to my spare set > of wheels with the Dunlop 205's (or whatever stock was) > and see how badly they rate. Never run the bike on the > stock tires. Maybe SS10's next? DP207's? I think I'll > stay away from the Mich Pilot's as I don't exactly need > sportbike tires on the Nighthawk. the only tires you've mentioned which aren't sticky sportbike tires are the D205s. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 11:20:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DFKiK12080 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12830 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:20:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:20:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding In-Reply-To: <39E72104.B1B1097@radix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > and as far as the engagement ring in our culture....i > > think it's a bunch of BS if you link it to marriage. > > I don't know who's worse - the diamond/precious stone 'industry' for > their insidious marketing technique. Women [not all] for placing such > an artificial value on diamond/etc... ring. or Men [not all] for caving > in & buying them... Heh... hardly. She didn't want a ring originally. And, after we decided we were going to get one, we ended with a nice deep water blue saphire, with two smaller diamonds set along side. We got the stones from a private dealer and had the setting made for us... we didn't go get one of the "standard issue" solitare engagement things at the mall -- she was adamantly opposed to that, largerly because the meaning has been lost in the overcommercialized "traditional" crap. Anyway, what we ended up with has a lot of meaning for us. The bike is only part of the story. We're both happy about it, more than we thought we'd be. Dunno. We all make choices. I've made mine, and they seem to have turned out well, for me anyhow. If you aren't liking the choices you've made, why not make some new ones? Ob Moto -- The VFR was leaking brakefluid out of the piston on the hand grip, due a botched rebuild done when the previous owner got SS lines put on. Is currently at Louden Motorsports getting rebuilt. Just called and the mechanics not there today, the bike is not going to be ready until sometime tomorrow :-( -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 11:22:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DFMXK12090 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id KAA15372 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:22:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id KAA15368 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:22:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA10342; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001013112351.00a2c230@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:24:32 -0400 To: Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: 2 up riding In-Reply-To: References: <20001013141508.6602.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Plus, *sometimes* it keeps annoying guys from hitting on you. : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >It is not the embodyment of our marriage, but its a hell of a nice >reminder, available for viewing on a daily basis. :-) > > > >-- >Dan Brown >brown@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 11:32:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DFWlK12258 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9DFWjX9101015 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E72B15.D3601B2A@radix.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:32:37 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Brown wrote: > Heh... hardly. She didn't want a ring originally. You really fell for that ? ;-) > And, after we decided > we were going to get one, we ended with a nice deep water blue saphire, > with two smaller diamonds set along side. We got the stones from a private > dealer and had the setting made for us... we didn't go get one of the > "standard issue" solitare engagement things at the mall -- she was > adamantly opposed to that, largerly because the meaning has been lost in > the overcommercialized "traditional" crap. Anyway, what we ended up with > has a lot of meaning for us. The bike is only part of the story. We're > both happy about it, more than we thought we'd be. > > Dunno. We all make choices. I've made mine, and they seem to have turned > out well, for me anyhow. If you aren't liking the choices you've made, > why not make some new ones? I already did, but every time I try to get that ring off her finger when she's asleep, she wakes up. She even shakes off the Chloroform haze when you come near that rock... It would be a nice downpayment on a new bike :-) She *says* she wouldn't want the ring replaced by a Connie, Voyager, or Wing... But I know once she saw it & had a chance to ride on it, she'd be hooked :-) > > Ob Moto -- The VFR was leaking brakefluid out of the piston on the hand > grip, due a botched rebuild done when the previous owner got SS lines put > on. Is currently at Louden Motorsports getting rebuilt. Just called and > the mechanics not there today, the bike is not going to be ready until > sometime tomorrow :-( Sounds like around whatever time the shop closes... *sigh*. seems to work out that way for me anyway. Make sure it's right when you pick it up, brakes is not something you want to be wishing for while riding... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 11:37:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cdzmdimsout.circleserve.net ([205.229.56.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DFbgK12337 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cdzmdimsout.circleserve.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:15:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Kaston, Michelle" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: 2 up riding Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:31:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain as a woman I feel like I should give my own perspective on the issue. I'm currently involved with a guy and we've talked about the whole "engagement ring" issue. We've decided that, yes, I do get an engagement ring. And in return I'm buying him an engagement bike. He wants a YZF. I think it's only fair. Besides, I already have a nice bike (vstar 1100 classic) and he doesn't. He deserves a sweet ride too. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 10/13/00 10:49 AM Subject: Re: 2 up riding Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > I sold my last bike, a Yamaha FJ1200, and used the > > money to buy my (now) wife an engagement ring. > > romantic story > > Personally i just think you sold the wrong item.... it > would have been a more romantic story if you sold the > car! > > and as far as the engagement ring in our culture....i > think it's a bunch of BS if you link it to marriage. I don't know who's worse - the diamond/precious stone 'industry' for their insidious marketing technique. Women [not all] for placing such an artificial value on diamond/etc... ring. or Men [not all] for caving in & buying them... > Nothing to do with marriage.... I'm with you, let's start a new tradition with the next generation, instead of an engagement ring, we should give an engagement motorcycle :-) > just a piece of jewelery that could never signify your love for one > another. I agree, but when I make this assertion to my wife, she gets... that look... this is usually followed by silence, the sudden arrival of a mysterious chill in the air, dark clouds arriving, more silence, and it usually means an end to any chance of pleasant conversation that evening. After a scant 5 years, she's already asked for another ring 'to show her I'd marry her all over'. So I counter offered 'if you buy me a new MV Agusta, I'll get you a new ring'. I'm still waiting & so is she. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 11:41:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DFfCK12362 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.ce.bcee03d (15887) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web28.aolmail.aol.com (web28.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.4]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:40:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:40:58 EDT From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: >i've got a set mounted right now....and i'm equally >disappointed in them, but for different reasons. Hmmm - I'm on my 3rd or 4th set (I lose count). Get about 8K miles to the rear (flat spotting it). Plenty of traction - I get down to hard bits long before the tires complain. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 11:44:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DFiZK12448 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19078 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01343 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9DFiRX10754707 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E72DD3.1C482ECD@radix.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:44:19 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: 2 up riding References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Kaston, Michelle" wrote: > > as a woman I feel like I should give my own perspective on the issue. I'm > currently involved with a guy and we've talked about the whole "engagement > ring" issue. We've decided that, yes, I do get an engagement ring. And in > return I'm buying him an engagement bike. He wants a YZF. I think it's > only fair. Wow. I'd have been happy with an engagement dirt bike... Lucky devil. > Besides, I already have a nice bike (vstar 1100 classic) and he > doesn't. He deserves a sweet ride too. The world needs more like you. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 11:57:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9DFvpK12701 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001013155744.6481.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.206] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:57:44 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:57:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction To: MJordan666@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > >i've got a set mounted right now....and i'm equally > >disappointed in them, but for different reasons. > > Hmmm - I'm on my 3rd or 4th set (I lose count). Get about > 8K miles to the > rear (flat spotting it). Plenty of traction - I get down > to hard bits long before the tires complain. well, your hard bits are easier to get to than mine.... my beef with the me-z4s was the lower-speed really tight stuff that the dragon (deals gap 129) provides. and this was after reducing pressures as well. high speed sweepers with big lean angles are not a problem. the me-z4s are not even as sticky as the me-z2s....and with the pricetags they carry, they ain't worth it IMO. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 12:08:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DG8FK12903 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03213 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:02:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: Detailed Sargent Seat Review (long) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:08:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Well, I received my seat from Sargent yesterday. It was a "World Sport" seat, which is a complete replacement for the stock seat, not a rebuild from a stock seatpan. I have to say that I am thrilled with the quality of the seat and the difference in comfort. My complaints with my old seat were that it angled down toward the tank too much, causing undue pressure on my writsts and other more sensitive bits, and that the foam had become too soft, causing me to feel the underlying seatpan at times. The stock seat is also too rounded side-to-side, giving too little support to the butt cheeks. The new seat addresses all of those problems. The dimensions of the seat are a lot flatter front-to-back as well as side-to-side. The new seat doesn't cause me to slide forward into the tank anymore and the foam is much denser, meaning that it's much more comfortable and supportive. It's not so firm that it's plank-like either. The new seat's appearance is very good also. I got non-textured covering, the red welt going around the main rider's portion of the seat and the body-colored passenger section. This passenger section looks similar to the rear seat on a biposto Ducati. The color of the passenger section is almost perfect. In most light, it looks identical to the bike's body color (red), with only a slight difference in some cases due to the different texture of the seat compared to the bodywork. I didn't think they could match it this well. Stitching on the seat is very good. The fit is, in my opinion, better than that of the stock seat. The stock seat on a VTR is made for a rear seat cowl and when this isn't in place, there is an unsightly gap between the seat and the bodywork. The new seat addresses this and the fit is much closer to the bodywork. Also, I have a tank bra and there were no fitment problems caused by this. The new seat is also intended to work with the stock seat cowl, however they recommend trimming some locator tabs on the cowl in order to do this. I have not yet tried installing the cowl, and given the body colored rear section, I probably won't do this any time soon. There is a minor fitment problem regarding a set of bungee hooks that swing out from under the seat. The bolts that attach these hooks to the seat pan conflict slightly with a pair of bolts attaching the rear bodywork on the bike. It is still possible to install the seat onto the bike even with this problem, it just affects how close the seat is to the bodywork. I personally don't consider this a large problem, as I intend to just relocate the hooks slightly. For the time being I simply unbolted the hooks. I called several times to get tracking numbers, inquire about shipping times etc., and Sargent answered their phone immediately, was very polite and patient, and gave me the information I needed with no delay. I was extremely impressed with their customer service, especially given what I have heard regarding Corbin's poor reputation. I ordered the seat on a Tuesday. The following Tuesday, the seat was shipped out and I received it on the Thursday two days later. The seat was shipped enclosed in a plastic bag and surrounded by foam peanuts in a large box. I hope this info will prove useful to others considering the purchase of a Sargent Seat. I am not affiliated in any way with Sargent other than as a customer. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 12:22:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (brickhouse1.iad1.sitesmith.com [63.94.228.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DGMkK13134 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:bergman@biber [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id e9DGMcN29730 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:22:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200010131622.e9DGMcN29730@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: bergman@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:57:44 PDT." <20001013155744.6481.qmail@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:22:38 -0400 In your message dated: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:57:44 PDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: => > >i've got a set mounted right now....and i'm equally => > >disappointed in them, but for different reasons. => > => > Hmmm - I'm on my 3rd or 4th set (I lose count). Get about => > 8K miles to the => > rear (flat spotting it). Plenty of traction - I get down => > to hard bits long before the tires complain. => => well, your hard bits are easier to get to than mine.... my => beef with the me-z4s was the lower-speed really tight stuff => that the dragon (deals gap 129) provides. and this was => after reducing pressures as well. high speed sweepers with => big lean angles are not a problem. I dunno. I was very happy with Me-Z4 R/Me-Z3 f combination for 5 weeks the alps. More hairpins in a day than Deals Gap for a week, and serious speeds, and never a problem with tires. I wore out the front (the edges were smooth, the center was fine) in about 4k, and the rear in about 5.5k, but I can't complain. This was all 2-up, with full luggage, on a heavy bike. That's definitely the combo that's going back on my bike in the spring. It's all a matter of riding style, taste, tire pressure, bike choice, and the phase of the moon, I guess. Frankly, I doubt that properly sized, properly inflated "performance" tires on a bike with adequate, adjusted suspension really reach their traction limit on the street very often. I suspect that conditions (gravel, choppy pavement, moisture, riding style, etc.) have much more to do with loosing grip. Mark => => the me-z4s are not even as sticky as the me-z2s....and with => the pricetags they carry, they ain't worth it IMO. => => => -- => tg => => __________________________________________________ => Do You Yahoo!? => Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! => http://mail.yahoo.com/ => -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 12:40:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9DGdxK13445 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001013163952.3129.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.171] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:39:51 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:39:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction To: bergman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > > I dunno. I was very happy with Me-Z4 R/Me-Z3 f > combination for 5 weeks the > alps. More hairpins in a day than Deals Gap for a week, > and serious speeds, and > never a problem with tires. I wore out the front (the > edges were smooth, the > center was fine) in about 4k, and the rear in about 5.5k, > but I can't complain. > This was all 2-up, with full luggage, on a heavy bike. > That's definitely the > combo that's going back on my bike in the spring. first of all, if you've got that kind of weight on the bike and tires, your damn right they'll be hot and firmly planted on the road. they'll also wear quickly like you have indicated the softer front tire makes all the difference in the world, too. i used to run a me-z1(f)/me-z2(r) and was quite happy with that setup. > It's all a matter of riding style, taste, tire pressure, > bike choice, and the phase of the moon, I guess. > > Frankly, I doubt that properly sized, properly inflated > "performance" tires on > a bike with adequate, adjusted suspension really reach > their traction limit on > the street very often. I suspect that conditions (gravel, > choppy pavement, > moisture, riding style, etc.) have much more to do with > loosing grip. and here, you have hit the nail on the head.....these aren't "performance" tires. they're dual-compound hybrids designed to increase the life of the tire without sacrificing too much grip. they suck on my duc....period. but that is after using sticky stuff (d207, pilot sport). if i hadn't experienced those other excellent street tires, i wouldn't be bitchin about the 4s. btw, mark....not too many people ride the yamaha gts....and i saw a blue one yesterday. any chance we were both at the battleys service counter at around 630pm yesterday? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 12:48:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aba.com (mail.aba.com [198.242.42.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9DGmJK13596 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ABAOF40-Message_Server by aba.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:47:57 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:47:42 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: Subject: YZF 1000 Engine. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_277FF4AD.A2C3A5AF" This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_277FF4AD.A2C3A5AF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know where I might find an engine for a YZF-1000 engine, year = 1991? --=_277FF4AD.A2C3A5AF Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML Does anyone know where I might find an engine for a YZF-1000 = engine, year=20 1991? --=_277FF4AD.A2C3A5AF-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 12:51:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9DGpGK13675 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29402 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2000 16:51:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20001013165112.29401.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [153.2.247.11] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:51:12 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:51:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Detailed Sargent Seat Review (long) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you don't mind me asking a few questions. Did you order directly from Sargent? How much was it? Thanks, Matthew Rosenstock 1996 Suzuki GS500E --- Christopher Weaver wrote: > Well, I received my seat from Sargent yesterday. It > was a "World Sport" > seat, which is a complete replacement for the stock > seat, not a rebuild from > a stock seatpan. > > Cheers, > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR1000F > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 13:07:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DH73K13916 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id MAA25654 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:06:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id MAA25650 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:06:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA12451; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001013130821.00a2ce50@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:09:03 -0400 To: "Kaston, Michelle" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" From: Jeannette Zell Subject: RE: 2 up riding In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You sound like me. I got Tom engagement leathers. : ) He already had the bike... - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 11:31 AM 10/13/00 -0400, Kaston, Michelle wrote: >as a woman I feel like I should give my own perspective on the issue. I'm >currently involved with a guy and we've talked about the whole "engagement >ring" issue. We've decided that, yes, I do get an engagement ring. And in >return I'm buying him an engagement bike. He wants a YZF. I think it's >only fair. Besides, I already have a nice bike (vstar 1100 classic) and he >doesn't. He deserves a sweet ride too. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 13:18:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DHIsK14081 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA04171 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:12:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: RE: Detailed Sargent Seat Review (long) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:19:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20001013165112.29401.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I responded to Matthew, but didn't realize he cc'ed the list. I'll respond to the list too. The seat (after shipping, final price) cost around $290. Compare this to Corbin at approximately $350-360 plus shipping. I ordered directly through Sargent by their number listed on their website. http://www.sargentcycle.com. A picture of the seat I purchased is on their site at http://www.sargentcycle.com/howsvtr1.htm. Regards, Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Rosenstock [mailto:m_rosenstock@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 9:51 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Detailed Sargent Seat Review (long) If you don't mind me asking a few questions. Did you order directly from Sargent? How much was it? Thanks, Matthew Rosenstock 1996 Suzuki GS500E __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 13:59:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DHxFK14702 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-243.patriot.net [209.249.180.243]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9DHwtJ03852; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:58:55 -0400 Message-ID: <39E74CFB.5BA08FA2@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:57:15 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Custer, Carl" CC: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Balance ??? References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F77FF52@DCHQCLEXHQ> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Custer, Carl wrote: > Bill Huson quipped, " Balance ???" > & Dale gushed, "Thanks, Bill, I was beginning to think I was the only one > who views balancing tires as unnecessary on a street bike. :)" > > But if you just gotta . . . balance. > Collect: > a broom stick (or if too big, then an appropriate sized dowel), > two picnic benchs (or chairs, boxes, trash cans), > some rim cleaner (e.g. rubbing alcohol), > stick on weights (oh, ooo, oo, -- or clip ons if you gottem) > a piece of chalk (or drywall) > a beverage and entertaining music > > Sit and spin the wheel on the broom stick. (if it doesn't spin, you have > other, more urgent problems) > Mark the light side, repeat. > If it matches, stick on a weight (sigh, on the light side) > spin the tire > Mark the light side, repeat > If it matches, stick on a weight (sigh) > Repeat until the light side comes up randomly, or you run out of weights, > beverage, or patience. > > Carl in Bethesda A BROOM STICK??? Hmm... when I have nothing else to do other than balance wheels, I always use the axle. Clamp the axle in my big ol' bench vise (wood pads) and do the spin an' mark thing. Last time I wuz that bored wuz ... hmmm... `84, I think. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 14:04:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DI41K14820 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-243.patriot.net [209.249.180.243]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9DI3tJ04714; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:03:55 -0400 Message-ID: <39E74E27.12C2603C@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:02:16 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette Zell CC: Dan Brown , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding References: <20001013141508.6602.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> <4.1.20001013112351.00a2c230@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, *sometimes*. But then I'm not annoying... Damn Cat! Stop laughing... No ring, gren light, ring, go like hell, beat red light :-) Bill Jeannette Zell wrote: > Plus, *sometimes* it keeps annoying guys from hitting on you. : ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > >It is not the embodyment of our marriage, but its a hell of a nice > >reminder, available for viewing on a daily basis. :-) > > > > > > > >-- > >Dan Brown > >brown@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 14:20:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9DIKIK15137 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001013182011.13381.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:20:11 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:20:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: RE: 2 up riding To: "Kaston, Michelle" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Kaston, Michelle" wrote: > as a woman I feel like I should give my own > perspective on the issue. I'm > currently involved with a guy and we've talked about > the whole "engagement > ring" issue. congratulations! My opinion is that the gifts you both get have nothing to do with your marriage ideals. Pre-conditions or expected gifts for marriage... is just silly to me. I wouldn't marry somebody just because she would give me a motorcycle... i would worship her as a God and devote my life to work in the diamond mines! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 14:20:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DIKJK15138 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-243.patriot.net [209.249.180.243]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9DIKEJ07550; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:20:14 -0400 Message-ID: <39E751FA.79DC4079@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:18:34 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Ehlert CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding & diamond rings... References: <20001013141508.6602.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My girl wasn't expecting a ring, it just sorta *happened*. After 4 months of dating - yes, I wuz in lurve big time - I went home and worked over spring break and blew the whole wad on a ring, size measured in micro-carats. When she opened the box one whoulda thought I'd given her the Hope diamond. Her gleeful squeal was deafening. Ah, yes, so young and innocent, she was. Every single time I've gone out to look at bikes she tags along, *insisting* I buy the one I want. The vehicles sales tax on my recent bike was way more than I paid for the diamond ring 30-some years ago. Methinks I got a good deal going... Bill Matthew Ehlert wrote: > --- Dan Brown wrote: > > > > Been watching this for a while now... > > > > I sold my last bike, a Yamaha FJ1200, and used the > > money to buy my > > (now) wife an engagement ring. > > romantic story > > Personally i just think you sold the wrong item.... it > would have been a more romantic story if you sold the > car! > > and as far as the engagement ring in our culture....i > think it's a bunch of BS if you link it to marriage. > Nothing to do with marriage.... just a piece of > jewelery that could never signify your love for one > another. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 14:23:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DIMxK15166 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA25926; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:23:28 -0400 Message-ID: <39E75347.1D8C5503@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:24:07 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: vfr 800 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FS: Share of DC cycles Tire Changer References: <39E5C593.95827ACD@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > vfr 800 wrote: > > > > I *still* have a share for the DC cycles tire changer up for sale. > > $30 obo. I'm *still* in Kalifornia, so I *still* don't have a use for it > > right now. > > > > Save money and change your own tires!! > > > > --John > > 98VFR > > Wow, I'm surprised no one has snapped up this offer yet. Membership > to the Tire Changer is closed, the only way to get in on the deal now > is to buy an existing share. For $30, you get to change your tires for > free. Forever. Or until the machine dies (long, long time from now). > > Dealers sometimes charge $20 to $30 PER WHEEL to mount tires if you > bring in a wheel off the bike. Screw that! Use the tire changer once, > you get your money back. Everything after that is gravy. > > Hope it sells quickly, John. Good luck. > > Horkster (happy share-owner) > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > the.horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi Question, If I buy the share that's available in the name of the Suzuki Owners Club, would I be able to let our members use it? Or would that be asking too much? I would expect to only SOC-USA members in the D.C. geographical area to use it if that would be O.K. with everyone. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 14:25:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DIPNK15179 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9DIPIX10501822 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E75385.F95492CF@radix.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:25:09 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding References: <20001013182011.13381.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > --- "Kaston, Michelle" > wrote: > > as a woman I feel like I should give my own > > perspective on the issue. I'm > > currently involved with a guy and we've talked about > > the whole "engagement > > ring" issue. > > congratulations! > > My opinion is that the gifts you both get have nothing > to do with your marriage ideals. Pre-conditions or > expected gifts for marriage... is just silly to me. What he said. > I wouldn't marry somebody just because she would give > me a motorcycle... i would worship her as a God I'm with ya so far... > and devote my life to work in the diamond mines! Well, let's not get carried away there, Matthew... when would we have time to ride ???? ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 14:29:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DIT6K15261 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:28:40 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F77FF5B@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Bill Huson'" Cc: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: Balance ??? Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:29:16 -0400 Sensitivity: Personal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain > A BROOM STICK??? [Custer, Carl] Yup. Say, 're you hard a hearin? ;^) > Hmm... when I have nothing else to do other than balance wheels, I always > use > the axle. Clamp the axle in my big ol' bench vise (wood pads) and do the > spin > an' mark thing. Last time I wuz that bored wuz ... hmmm... `84, I think. [Custer, Carl] Didn't have a vice that big. Axle didn't fit well 'twixt the picnic benches (rounded off edges). Broom stick was handy; plus, you gotta figger in the entertainment value. 8^D Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 14:33:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cdzmdimsout.circleserve.net ([205.229.56.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DIXjK15355 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cdzmdimsout.circleserve.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:59:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Kaston, Michelle" To: "'Matthew Ehlert'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 2 up riding Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:27:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain --- "Kaston, Michelle" wrote: > as a woman I feel like I should give my own > perspective on the issue. I'm > currently involved with a guy and we've talked about > the whole "engagement > ring" issue. congratulations! My opinion is that the gifts you both get have nothing to do with your marriage ideals. Pre-conditions or expected gifts for marriage... is just silly to me. I wouldn't marry somebody just because she would give me a motorcycle... i would worship her as a God and devote my life to work in the diamond mines! ----- yes, that's true.... the gifts really have nothing to do with how much you love a person. I've been married before, trust me, I know that in the end it's just a rock and just a bike. but now i really DO like the idea of someone worshiping me as a god(dess).... keep talking :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 14:35:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cdzmdimsout.circleserve.net ([205.229.56.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DIZhK15436 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cdzmdimsout.circleserve.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:00:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Kaston, Michelle" To: "'Dave Yates'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 2 up riding Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:29:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > --- "Kaston, Michelle" > wrote: > > as a woman I feel like I should give my own > > perspective on the issue. I'm > > currently involved with a guy and we've talked about > > the whole "engagement > > ring" issue. > > congratulations! > > My opinion is that the gifts you both get have nothing > to do with your marriage ideals. Pre-conditions or > expected gifts for marriage... is just silly to me. What he said. > I wouldn't marry somebody just because she would give > me a motorcycle... i would worship her as a God I'm with ya so far... > and devote my life to work in the diamond mines! Well, let's not get carried away there, Matthew... when would we have time to ride ???? ;-) that's how he'd get to and from the mines every day. duh. you know how many diamonds would fit in just *one* of my saddlebags?!?!?! From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 14:43:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DIhoK15527 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9DIhmX10699699 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E757DB.3E308A0A@radix.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:43:39 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew asserts - > > I wouldn't marry somebody just because she would give > > me a motorcycle... i would worship her as a God Dave responds - > > I'm with ya so far... > > > and devote my life to work in the diamond mines! > > Well, let's not get carried away there, Matthew... when would we > have time to ride ???? ;-) > Michell reminds us - > that's how he'd get to and from the mines every day. duh. you know how > many diamonds would fit in just *one* of my saddlebags?!?!?! I'll step out on a limb & guess... More carats than Bugs Bunny ever conceived of... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 15:00:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cdzmdimsout.circleserve.net ([205.229.56.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DJ0EK15838 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cdzmdimsout.circleserve.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:06:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Kaston, Michelle" To: "'Dave Yates'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 2 up riding Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:53:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Matthew asserts - > > I wouldn't marry somebody just because she would give > > me a motorcycle... i would worship her as a God Dave responds - > > I'm with ya so far... > > > and devote my life to work in the diamond mines! > > Well, let's not get carried away there, Matthew... when would we > have time to ride ???? ;-) > Michell reminds us - > that's how he'd get to and from the mines every day. duh. you know how > many diamonds would fit in just *one* of my saddlebags?!?!?! I'll step out on a limb & guess... More carats than Bugs Bunny ever conceived of... yeah - more than even a goddess like me could probably fathom..... lol. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 15:01:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mail.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DJ18K15848 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id r.8f.1be33fc (15699); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web35.aolmail.aol.com (web35.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.11]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:00:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:00:55 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oh yeah!! %^) To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <8f.1be33fc.2718b5e7@aol.com> Nah, we remembered. You just haven't said anything stupid lately that would make us want to bring it back up. hehe Scooter In a message dated Fri, 13 Oct 2000 1:02:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Collin T. Fagan" writes: << Grin :) and bear it Sean.... At least they aren't picking on me for screwing up a converstion to the metric system any more! hehe DOH! just reminded everyone :( Re: dalling in love selling bike... I don't get it?? fall in love means with a bike right?? ;-) sell old one (sniuff sniff) buy new one, yay!! hehe Oh wait, he meant a woman..hehe sounds like he didn't search for the right type! Gotta latch on to the ones that love bikes just as much as you do! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 15:07:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DJ75K15937 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9DJ73X10746041 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E75D4C.E0130B3D@radix.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:06:52 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 up riding References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Michell reminds us - > > that's how he'd get to and from the mines every day. duh. you know how > > many diamonds would fit in just *one* of my saddlebags?!?!?! Dave takes a stab in the dark... > I'll step out on a limb & guess... More carats than Bugs Bunny ever > conceived of... > Michelle confirms - > yeah - more than even a goddess like me could probably fathom..... lol. Got a sister ? -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 15:13:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DJDfK16036 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id r.c0.a5ce5e7 (15905); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web27.aolmail.aol.com (web27.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.3]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:12:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:12:54 EDT From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rider Down at the GNF To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: I haven't heard anything more today Rich. As soon as I do, I will let you know. Assuming of course that I hear something before they get home themselves. Jess From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 15:24:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cdzmdimsout.circleserve.net ([205.229.56.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DJOjK16209 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cdzmdimsout.circleserve.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:21:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Kaston, Michelle" To: "'Dave Yates'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 2 up riding Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:18:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain > Michell reminds us - > > that's how he'd get to and from the mines every day. duh. you know how > > many diamonds would fit in just *one* of my saddlebags?!?!?! Dave takes a stab in the dark... > I'll step out on a limb & guess... More carats than Bugs Bunny ever > conceived of... > Michelle confirms - > yeah - more than even a goddess like me could probably fathom..... lol. Got a sister ? yeah, I have two - but I'm the most available of the lot of us :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 16:53:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9DKrMK17649 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Fri Oct 13 13:52:58 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:52:58 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok, let me restate my beef. It's not with the traction of said, it's the wear rate. I love how the rear works at all angles and in the rain. The Mac90x was downright slippery by comparison. I just think the tire shouldn't have worn out that fast. I don't do hard accelleration runs or hard stops on any kind of frequent basis. And the twisties I have gone though were at quite reasonable speeds. Purhaps it has something to do with the weight. The last 3500miles have been with dual and surprisingly HEAVY saddle bags on the back and running over Canadian and NE concrete roadways. Plus by NH is close to 500lbs anyway. So purhaps the wear is perfectly normal. It's just that my mental benchmark is off. And it may just be the case that a set of Mac90's would have worn just as quickly. I never got a chance to subject them to that kind of load. But if I know me, then I'll be doing more of this medium distance touring and will often be with saddlebags. So I guess I'll just have to try say the Dunlop 205's and see if they last any longer. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 17:36:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DLaEK18329 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4XHZBTA1>; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:36:09 -0400 Received: from t5net.com ([209.95.105.247]) by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id TARB6WJS; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:31:54 -0400 Received: (from t5net@localhost) by t5net.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02893; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:25:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by t5net.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02880 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:25:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:25:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" Reply-To: t5tech@XXXXXX To: "'t5tech@XXXXXX'" , "'triumph@XXXXXX'" , "David Gaske (E-mail)" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Clinton Cycles, redux. I must be more circumspect and less silly ... Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:35:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" when I am wending my way through one of my windy tales. When last I wrote you, dearly beloved, about my Daytona's fried wiring harness and the ensuing adventure, I prefaced my account by stating the information that followed would be of interest to those who were looking for service alternatives to the dealerships with names that sound like "Cycle Splat Unlimited" and "Clinkin' Cycles". I have come to regret half of that description. Let me be perfectly clear: I am no longer a customer of Cycle Splat and probably won't be again, but the same does not apply to Clinton Cycles. I merely mentioned them because they are the OTHER authorized Triumph dealership in the Washington, DC metro area and I was imparting information about a shop outside the area. As yet, I have no personal knowledge of the quality of service provided by Clinton Cycles. The reasons I headed to Winchester were a recommendation, a good price on tires, and an excuse to tour the countryside. It would be an order of magnitude more convenient for me to have maintenance performed by Clinton Cycles, and I fully intend to visit them and get acquainted with the service personnel in the near future. I regret that some folks misinterpreted my remarks, as I have nothing against the guys in Port Washington. I don't know them at all, in fact. I hope to give my fellow DC-area Trumpeteers a report on my impressions of the place soon. If other would care to share, I would appreciate the effort. To iterate, referring to them as "Clinkin' Cycles" was a JOKE. The technical term is paronomasia. Purposefully misspelling words for humorous effect. Crash (A Spoonerism is quite different. A "tip of the slung" type phenomenon.) AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 17:46:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9DLk4K18487 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001013214556.24003.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:45:56 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:45:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: 2 up riding To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > > Well, let's not get carried away there, Matthew... > when would we have > time to ride ???? ;-) > actually my goddess wife is working sunday.... so i am free from the mines to motor... if anybody wants to ride..... preferably with a mission... like seafood restaurant! maybe Michelle the goddess can lead.... even though we are suppose to worship one god. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 18:48:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c012.sfo.cp.net (c012-h008.c012.sfo.cp.net [209.228.13.102]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9DMmiK19473 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 9353 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 15:48:35 -0700 Date: 13 Oct 2000 15:48:35 -0700 Message-ID: <20001013224835.9352.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 13 Oct 2000 22:48:35 GMT Received: from [207.172.11.147] by mail.myway.com with HTTP; 13 Oct 2000 15:48:34 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Tom (Trey) Herb X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: Clinton Cycles, redux. I must be more circumspect and less silly ... I ride a 99 1200 trophy and I like the people at cliton cycles. Their service department has always been knowledgeable professional and prompt. They do need to get the RAT thing started. They say they will when they go back to their old location. I hope so. But that may end the free food on Saturdays from the Hardly shop next store. Peace Trey On Fri, 13 October 2000, "Smith, Steven" wrote: > > when I am wending my way through one of my windy tales. When last I wrote > you, dearly beloved, about my Daytona's fried wiring harness and the ensuing > adventure, I prefaced my account by stating the information that followed > would be of interest to those who were looking for service alternatives to > the dealerships with names that sound like "Cycle Splat Unlimited" and > "Clinkin' Cycles". I have come to regret half of that description. Let me > be perfectly clear: I am no longer a customer of Cycle Splat and probably > won't be again, but the same does not apply to Clinton Cycles. I merely > mentioned them because they are the OTHER authorized Triumph dealership in > the Washington, DC metro area and I was imparting information about a shop > outside the area. > > As yet, I have no personal knowledge of the quality of service provided by > Clinton Cycles. The reasons I headed to Winchester were a recommendation, a > good price on tires, and an excuse to tour the countryside. It would be an > order of magnitude more convenient for me to have maintenance performed by > Clinton Cycles, and I fully intend to visit them and get acquainted with the > service personnel in the near future. I regret that some folks > misinterpreted my remarks, as I have nothing against the guys in Port > Washington. I don't know them at all, in fact. I hope to give my fellow > DC-area Trumpeteers a report on my impressions of the place soon. If other > would care to share, I would appreciate the effort. > > To iterate, referring to them as "Clinkin' Cycles" was a JOKE. The > technical term is paronomasia. Purposefully misspelling words for humorous > effect. > > Crash (A Spoonerism is quite different. A "tip of the slung" type > phenomenon.) > AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 > 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 18:53:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DMrrK19578 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling2-18.cybercable.com [204.188.45.18]) by idalee.loudoun.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e9DMqVX22940 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E7927D.7E45FDF7@loudoun.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:53:52 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Reply-To: jmoran@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DCC Subject: Re: Rider Down at the GNF References: <20001013144935.39120.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I just got back from the GNF. Bryan did, indeed, hit the wall along the front straight very hard during the 125 race on Thursday. He got his bell rung pretty good and was diagnosed w/ a concussion. I'm not sure of the severity, but he was released and back in the pits within a couple of hours of the incident. He was having problems with his short term memory, and Laura Granato and the rest of us were kept busy answering the same questions over and over for several hours after that. Mostly Brian wanted to know if the wreck had been spectacular. We assured him that it had been. When I left on Thusday evening, Brian was beginning to get his memory back (though he still could not recall the incident), and was cursing his luck at having made it through the whole season w/out crashing only to have disaster strike at the GNF. Last I saw, Laura was taking great care of Brian, and she had the capable help of Steve Clark and his girlfriend, and multitudes of his fellow racers. Anyway, that's all I have. Last I saw, Brian was in good hands, so don't worry too much. Just be sure to tell him his wreck was spectacular when you see him next time. ; ) Randy Moran iefbrfourteen wrote: > Any more news on Bryan Roach? > > Rich > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 19:30:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mail.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DNUbK20250 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id j.b1.1c06072 (4330); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:30:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:30:05 EDT Subject: Re: Rider Down at the GNF To: jmoran@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 7 Randy, you're too modest. No word of your daring-do! How the hell did you do?!?? Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 19:36:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DNaXK20329 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling2-18.cybercable.com [204.188.45.18]) by idalee.loudoun.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e9DNZDX26255 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E79C7F.EFB703DC@loudoun.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:36:38 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Reply-To: jmoran@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Randy's results References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had a great time at Road Atlanta and I highly recommend a trip down there to ride or to watch. It's a top-notch facility. 6th in D-Superbike 9th in Lightweight Twins 10th in Formula 2 No crashes, no scratches, and the bike is still for sale! I'll be at Summit this weekend. Thanks to all on the list for your interest and support this season. Randy Moran Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > Randy, you're too modest. No word of your daring-do! How the hell did you > do?!?? > > Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 20:49:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9E0nEK21358 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15530 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Oct 2000 00:49:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20001014004911.15529.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.229.89] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:49:11 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:49:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/10/00 To: Dale Horstman , christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been to the George Washington Bridge in New York, you're going to have a tough time finding sand there. Maybe you should pickup a hubcap from that end instead. :-) Leon. --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Next year's Concours Owner's Group National Rally is > in Klamath Falls, OR. > I'm strongly considering a 50CC attempt from New > York to San Francisco in > order to get out there. I'll probably fill up > little vials with sand & > water > from both ends, it would look really nice with the > Finisher's Certificate. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 13 21:48:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9E1mYK22391 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA22215 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:48:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo-r11.mail.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA16300 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 7.34.ba78bc8 (4185); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34.ba78bc8.27191550@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:48:00 EDT Subject: Re: Rider Down at the GNF To: fj1100@XXXXXX, HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 119 Just got back from Atlanta and saw Randy only (at the photo stand) as we Vintage guys pit in a different area. Randy didn't say anything about Bryan so I suspect he's ok, also there were no serious accidents that I heard about on the PA. Finished 9th, 10th and 11th in my three classes. Since in my best class I was 15th nationally before the GNF, I think I did ok. I have to tell you that Road Atlanta is a track that really favors the local guys. Blind corners from elevation changes make it necessary to really know the track to be anywhere near competitive, it was really difficult to remember if an upcoming turn was a right or left hander unless you had someone in front of you. I diced with a few local guys and as soon as I passed them I would slow down because I couldn't remember the turns. I passed and was repassed 4 times in one race by the same guy. LOL, that hardly ever happens. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 14 08:49:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ECnqK05935 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-239-105.s359.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.239.105] helo=twincam) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13kQl3-0001ql-00 ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:49:49 -0400 Message-ID: <042301c035dc$cf2a3160$0df47ad1@twincam> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "Rob Keiser" , Cc: References: <20001013140708.19968.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Wanted: Future MSF Instructors - MD Contact Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:46:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is the email address for Phil Sause who is the manager of the motorcycle safety program in Maryland. psause@XXXXXX k.loerich ----- Original Message ----- From: Louis F. Caplan To: Rob Keiser ; Cc: Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:07 Subject: Re: Wanted: Future MSF Instructors - MD Contact > --- Rob Keiser wrote: > > Do we know of a contact for MD instructors/classes, etc.? > > > > Rob > > '98 VFR800 > > A couple of people have asked me this... I searched on Google > (http://www.google.com) and found this: > > http://www.mva.state.md.us/moto/page10.htm > 1-800-638-1722 or 410-508-2439 (Didn't mention any contact person or dates) > > For those who are now teaching in MD, I have a few questions... On the web > page it says instructors must pass a physical, and must be able to teach twice > a month. Is that theory, or how they actually do it in MD? This year, I > taught once a month in VA and find that is plenty (need to have a life as > well!) Some instructors in VA just teach 2 or 3 times the whole year. > [Minimum is once a year] > > Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to get into a "Maryland vs. Virginia" > debate, I was just surprised by the requirements, and wondered how things were > done in actual practice. > > I actually looked into teaching in MD a few years back, when some deaf people > in MD were thinking of taking the MSF course [I can teach in sign language]. > However, the person I spoke to at the time said I'd have to take the full IPW > in Maryland, even though I was already a certified instructor. [Leon pointed > out I should have done it as contract work, and charged interpreter rates... > $$$!!] > > Louis > > > ===== > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours > Alexandria, VA > Co-Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://MD-20-20.tripod.com > Home Page: http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 14 15:34:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f147.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.147]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9EJYjK11828 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:34:37 -0700 Received: from 64.24.39.100 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:34:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.24.39.100] From: "vfr 800" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tire changer share sold Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:34:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2000 19:34:37.0429 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9CDBA50:01C03615] Okay, thanks all for the interest in the tire changer. It has been sold. Also, I received a cool message from a DC cycles lister whom I attemtped to relay that the share was sold. Now, if he would share if he has received any payment . . . . Take a look: << ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 mharrell@XXXXXX... Service unavailable Notice: You may purchase the right to send me unsolicited commercial e-mail ("spam") for the fee of $500 (USD) per message. Billing can be either pre-arranged or can occur automatically after the reception of a spam. Failure to pay will be treated in accordance to US Code, title 47, sec. 227, which allows unsolicited e-mail to be punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss or $500, whichever is greater, per violation. Sending spam to me without payment constitutes unauthorized access to my mail daemon, which is in violation of federal law. Reporting-MTA: dns; alecto.bittwiddlers.com Arrival-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:57:09 EDT>> _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 14 23:47:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9F3lLK19360 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.a3.c8b0a21 (3926) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:47:08 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:47:07 EDT Subject: Fwd: (Guzzi) Eldo for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_a3.c8b0a21.271a82bb_boundary" X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 119 --part1_a3.c8b0a21.271a82bb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've met this guy and seen the bike. If I had the $, I wouldn't be forwarding this! Great bike in excellent shape. If you were at the Italian Motorcycle Festival, you saw this bike in the bike show. Please call or e-mail him for questions. Rob VanSlyke --part1_a3.c8b0a21.271a82bb_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (rly-yh01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.33]) by air-yh02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:13:00 -0400 Received: from outmta004.topica.com (outmta004.topica.com [206.132.75.201]) by rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.19) with ESMTP; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:12:43 -0400 To: MotoGuzzi@XXXXXX From: Guzzi Otis Subject: (Guzzi) Eldo for sale Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:12:37 -0700 Message-ID: <0.2000001655.397789537-951758591-971554357@topica.com> Reply-To: guzzi1@XXXXXX X-Topica-Loop: 2000001655 Received: (qmail 1677 invoked by alias); 14 Oct 2000 20:12:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 1672 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2000 20:12:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO isgrizz1.dotis.com) (root@XXXXXX) by inmta007.topica.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2000 20:12:35 -0000 Received: from dave (dave.dotis.com [172.16.10.233]) by isgrizz1.dotis.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA04979 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:06:02 -0400 X-Sender: guzzi1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 74 titled as 75 Eldo excellent runner, mechanical garantee, $3950.00 (for quick sale) if you don't like the color I will change it for more $$ http://www.loopframe.com/new_page_1.htm 301-371-7837 ------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe send a blank email to motoguzzi-unsubscribe@XXXXXX ------------------------------------------------ Info: www.inet-rendezvous.com/MGNOC/maillist.html ___________________________________________________________ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics --part1_a3.c8b0a21.271a82bb_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Oct 14 23:48:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r19.mail.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9F3mjK19370 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 6.cc.b40e968 (25104); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:48:34 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:48:34 EDT Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 119 In a message dated 10/13/00 10:49:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: << Maybe I should try a BattleAX? Anyone remember who it is that makes a tire with a specifically extra hard compound in that center stripe with softer on the shoulders? >> Hi Matthew One of the makers of hard center tyres is Bridgestone, I had them as original fitments on my CBR 1000, they were thrown away after my second spirited ride. The only time they are useful is when !!! nah they are never useful! To recap my experiences they went like this- On a cold morning never grab a handful of medium throttle unless you want to dance the side step! " not recomended" After you thought the tyres were heated up do not go on a spirited ride unless you have big nappies fitted ( diapers for my american friends) b'cause you will surely fill them up!! as they will let go when you least expect it. Good traction comes with a price. I currently use Michelin Macadams, 2nd set and have run them hard with no wear or grip problems 7-8k. RMC From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 15 08:51:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smyk.apk.net (smyk.apk.net [207.54.158.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9FCp8K28671 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 08:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from junior.apk.net (junior.apk.net [207.54.158.20]) by smyk.apk.net (8.11.0/8.11.0/apk.990812+rchk1.22+bspm1.13.1.5a) with ESMTP id e9FCncq01661; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 08:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by junior.apk.net (8.11.0/8.11.0/rchk1.22) id e9FCnXu02561; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 08:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 08:49:33 -0400 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Cc: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction Message-ID: <20001015084932.A768@kleks.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from RMccre5861@aol.com on Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 11:48:34PM -0400 * RMccre5861@XXXXXX (RMccre5861@XXXXXX) [001014 23:57]: > In a message dated 10/13/00 10:49:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > > << Maybe I should try a BattleAX? Anyone remember who it is that makes a > tire with a specifically extra hard compound in that center stripe with > softer on the shoulders? >> > > > Hi Matthew > > One of the makers of hard center tyres is Bridgestone, I had them as original > fitments on my CBR 1000, they were thrown away after my second spirited ride. Hm... For some unknow reason Honda insists on using Bridgestone Battleax 010 on this year 929RR. I have them, and I must admit they perfomr nicely. After 5200 miles there is still few hundred miles left on them. Regarding grip/sticking - I never had troubles, but maybe the way I ride is not spirited enough. If you need more stickiness, Battleax 56SS are even better; you will pay with shorter life of tyre. I had Macadams on XX twice; very predictible tire, but less grip than Battleax010. I was able to slide them any way you want (as a matter of fact, sliding XX out of turn was my signature way to scare some folks behind me). I also had 207 ( street compound ) on XX, and will try then on RR. Nice, lot of feedback, good grip and easy turn-in. > > RMC _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 15 16:47:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9FKlKK06249 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-243.patriot.net [209.249.180.243]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9FKlFJ14514; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:47:15 -0400 Message-ID: <39EA176D.B3E77A04@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:45:33 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Custer, Carl" CC: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Balance ??? References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F77FF5B@DCHQCLEXHQ> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Custer, Carl wrote: > [Custer, Carl] > Didn't have a vice that big. > Axle didn't fit well 'twixt the picnic benches (rounded off edges). > Broom stick was handy; plus, you gotta figger in the entertainment > value. 8^D > > Carl in Bethesda You want real entertainment? Next time you rebuild a cycle engine stuff all the grimmy peicey-parts in the dishwasher, add soap, and crank `er on! No lie, peicey-parts come out sparkling clean. Gets all the grundge outta the aluminum. The entertainemnt comes into play when the *woman* opens the dishwasher... =8-0 Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 15 17:16:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9FLGWK06705 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com ([207.223.162.151]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA10880 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EA49FA.FA59B16D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:21:14 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction References: <20001015084932.A768@kleks.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" wrote : > > If you need more stickiness, Battleax 56SS are even better; you will > pay with shorter life of tyre. FWIW, I put a pair of Bridgestone BT56SS tires on my '93 GSXR 750 at the beginning of this year. I have 5000+ miles (the vast majority of which are on "twisty" backroads plus CSS@VIR) on them and they still have some life left in them. No problems gripping. I find the limiting factor to be the pilot and not the tires! %^) Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 15 21:13:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mail.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9G1DMK10408 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.85.1790b68 (14376) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:13:11 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85.1790b68.271bb026@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:13:10 EDT Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 119 From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 15 21:22:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9G1MiK10566 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.2b.bf99966 (14376) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:22:30 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: <2b.bf99966.271bb256@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:22:30 EDT Subject: Fwd: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_2b.bf99966.271bb256_boundary" X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 119 --part1_2b.bf99966.271bb256_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/15/00 9:19:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RMccre5861 writes: << < Maybe I should try a BattleAX? Anyone remember who it is that makes a > tire with a specifically extra hard compound in that center stripe with > softer on the shoulders? >> >> Hi Guys We are talking about a specific tyre with a supposed double character, hard in the center soft on the shoulder, nothing to do with a regular tyre! RMC >> --part1_2b.bf99966.271bb256_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Full-name: RMccre5861 Message-ID: <4d.21a0da0.271bb1b0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:19:44 EDT Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction To: zbig@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 119 In a message dated 10/15/00 8:59:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, zbig@XXXXXX writes: << Maybe I should try a BattleAX? Anyone remember who it is that makes a > tire with a specifically extra hard compound in that center stripe with > softer on the shoulders? >> >> Hi Guys We are talking about a specific tyre with a supposed double character, hard in the center soft on the shoulder, nothing to do with a regular tyre! RMC --part1_2b.bf99966.271bb256_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 15 22:03:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9G23eK11260 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-192.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.192]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA19193 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:03:00 -0400 Posted-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:03:00 -0400 Message-ID: <009201c03714$d5af8f60$68a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Cool Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:00:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008F_01C036F3.4D3EFBA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C036F3.4D3EFBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sharing a few offbeat coldfighters that have stood me in good stead the = past few winters (even the PARR New Years 'teens runs). (Some mentioned = in the past, longlisters.) --- -- "Snow Paws" that fit over the handlebar ends and assorted = brake/clutch gizmos, looking a bit like the things moped messengers use. = 10sec on/off with velcro and v e r r y cozy. Saves a level or two of = hand wrap. Dennis Kirk, I think. =20 -- For longer rides, 3mm neoprene 2pc wetsuit, or sometimes jacket only, = under 'Stitch (with a thin layer under and maybe more over). Saves bulk = and good to the chatter zone. Neoprene socks too. =20 -- Legwarmers (heavy, wool) that dancers use in practice. On/off even = under pants (with some contortions). Around $30 at dance supply stores. = Only pink was available when I bought, which Rit quickly changed.=20 -- Seethrough windshield (negs: mileage, visibility(inside glare, = wetwx), engine noise increase) all for drastic windchill decrease). =20 Police blankets have been mentioned on the list a few times and = conjur visions of warmth if available in a good form and price. If = anyone comes up with 'em . . .. Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> Winterize? What's that. =20 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C036F3.4D3EFBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sharing a few offbeat coldfighters that have stood = me in good=20 stead the past few winters (even the PARR New Years 'teens runs).  = (Some=20 mentioned in the past, longlisters.)  ---
 
-- "Snow Paws" that fit over the handlebar ends and = assorted=20 brake/clutch gizmos, looking a bit like the things moped messengers = use.  10sec on/off with velcro and v e r r y cozy.  Saves a = level or=20 two of hand wrap.  Dennis Kirk, I think. 
 
-- For longer rides, 3mm neoprene 2pc wetsuit, or = sometimes=20 jacket only, under 'Stitch (with a thin layer under and maybe more = over). =20 Saves bulk and good to the chatter zone.  Neoprene socks too.  =
 
-- Legwarmers (heavy, wool) that dancers use in=20 practice.  On/off even under pants (with some contortions).  = Around=20 $30 at dance supply stores.  Only pink was available when I bought, = which Rit quickly changed.
 
-- Seethrough windshield (negs: mileage, = visibility(inside=20 glare, wetwx), engine noise increase) all for drastic windchill = decrease). =20
 
 
    Police = blankets have=20 been mentioned on the list a few times and conjur visions of warmth if = available=20 in a good form and price.   If anyone comes up with 'em . .=20 ..
 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Winterize?  = What's=20 that. 
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C036F3.4D3EFBA0-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 15 22:51:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9G2pBK12242 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-242.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.242]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20835 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:51:06 -0400 Posted-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:51:06 -0400 Message-ID: <009b01c0371b$88b54680$68a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Holy Smoke Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:48:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0098_01C036FA.00F42CA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C036FA.00F42CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another bizarre hazard chalked up -- The scene -- from W295 North (Kenilworth Ave.) to Rte 50 E, midday. = Pretty standard 90deg. turn exit. I had been following a dirty midsized = SUV (some puffing exhaust) for half a mile or so, and was in front of a = Metrobus, both of which made the turn bracketing me at reasonable = distances. Speed seemed comfortable for all three of us. =20 As the SUV exited the turn and mergelaned beside Rte. 50, there was one = car of traffic, so SUV slowed a bit to wait. I did the same, but the = Metrobus narrowed the gap on me, probably reasonably anticipating a = quick merge after the traffic passed. My rearview was filling up with = bus. =20 The traffic cleared and it seemed time for the three of us to make our = moves as the mergelane petered out. The bus started to shift left and = pick up speed, nearing. =20 HOLY #@%&*. I'M IN THICK, THICK WHITE SMOKE, SEEING ZIP, FORWARD OR = BACK. AND IT STINKS. I PRAY, BRAKE, AND HEAD GINGERLY FOR THE RIGHT. = I TRAVEL PERHAPS 50-100 YARDS, ALMOST ON THE SHOULDER, VIRTUALLY BLIND, = HOPING I DONT HIT, GET HIT, OR FALL OFF THE PAVEMENT. =20 Then it breaks. The bus is on my left, missing me by a few feet. The = SUV is picking up speed, smoking like a smudgepot, finishing the = mergelane. So very lucky for me, a breeze is blowing the glop to the = right. Looks like, on acceleration, a broken ring or some such in the = SUV. Smoke like seldom, seldom seen, huge plumes coming out the pipe. = I compose, fall in behind bus, pass, see SUV smoke has abated but still = noticeable. =20 WHEW. Chalk up another one, note for DCC. Figure the SUV isn't going = far as it's slowing, not worth taking my time. =20 One never knows . . .. =20 Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> Too young to smoke Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C036FA.00F42CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Another bizarre hazard chalked up = --
 
The scene -- from W295 North (Kenilworth Ave.) to = Rte 50 E,=20 midday.  Pretty standard 90deg. turn exit.  I had been = following a=20 dirty midsized SUV (some puffing exhaust) for half a mile or so, and was = in=20 front of a Metrobus, both of which made the turn bracketing me at = reasonable=20 distances.  Speed seemed comfortable for all three of us. =20
 
As the SUV exited the turn and = mergelaned beside Rte. 50,=20 there was one car of traffic, so SUV slowed a bit to wait.  I did = the same,=20 but the Metrobus narrowed the gap on me, probably reasonably = anticipating a=20 quick merge after the traffic passed.   My rearview was = filling up=20 with bus. 
 
The traffic cleared and it seemed time for the three = of us to=20 make our moves as the mergelane petered out.  The bus started to = shift left=20 and pick up speed, nearing. 
 
HOLY #@%&*.  I'M IN THICK, THICK WHITE = SMOKE, SEEING=20 ZIP, FORWARD OR BACK.  AND IT STINKS.  I PRAY, BRAKE, AND HEAD = GINGERLY FOR THE RIGHT.  I TRAVEL PERHAPS 50-100 YARDS, ALMOST ON = THE=20 SHOULDER, VIRTUALLY BLIND, HOPING I DONT HIT, GET HIT, OR FALL OFF THE=20 PAVEMENT. 
 
Then it breaks.  The bus is on my left, missing = me by a=20 few feet.  The SUV is picking up speed, smoking like a smudgepot, = finishing=20 the mergelane.  So very lucky for me, a breeze is blowing the glop = to the=20 right.  Looks like, on acceleration, a broken ring or some such in = the=20 SUV.  Smoke like seldom, seldom seen, huge plumes coming out the=20 pipe.  I compose, fall in behind bus, pass, see SUV smoke has = abated but=20 still noticeable. 
 
WHEW.   Chalk up another one, note for = DCC. =20 Figure the SUV isn't going far as it's slowing, not worth taking my = time. =20
 
One never knows . . .. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Too young to smoke
Join the = AMA.  Help=20 protect my riding fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C036FA.00F42CA0-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 15 23:34:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9G3YiK13272 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bigbox (adsl-151-200-16-190.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA27833; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005301c03722$09159900$0200a8c0@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas Zell" To: "mobacc" , "DC-Cycles" References: <009b01c0371b$88b54680$68a4fccd@micron> Subject: Re: Holy Smoke Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:34:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01C03700.8163C160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C03700.8163C160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WOW!!! Glad you came out of it OK! Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mobacc=20 To: DC-Cycles=20 Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 10:48 PM Subject: Holy Smoke Another bizarre hazard chalked up -- The scene -- from W295 North (Kenilworth Ave.) to Rte 50 E, midday. = Pretty standard 90deg. turn exit. I had been following a dirty midsized = SUV (some puffing exhaust) for half a mile or so, and was in front of a = Metrobus, both of which made the turn bracketing me at reasonable = distances. Speed seemed comfortable for all three of us. =20 As the SUV exited the turn and mergelaned beside Rte. 50, there was = one car of traffic, so SUV slowed a bit to wait. I did the same, but = the Metrobus narrowed the gap on me, probably reasonably anticipating a = quick merge after the traffic passed. My rearview was filling up with = bus. =20 The traffic cleared and it seemed time for the three of us to make our = moves as the mergelane petered out. The bus started to shift left and = pick up speed, nearing. =20 HOLY #@%&*. I'M IN THICK, THICK WHITE SMOKE, SEEING ZIP, FORWARD OR = BACK. AND IT STINKS. I PRAY, BRAKE, AND HEAD GINGERLY FOR THE RIGHT. = I TRAVEL PERHAPS 50-100 YARDS, ALMOST ON THE SHOULDER, VIRTUALLY BLIND, = HOPING I DONT HIT, GET HIT, OR FALL OFF THE PAVEMENT. =20 Then it breaks. The bus is on my left, missing me by a few feet. The = SUV is picking up speed, smoking like a smudgepot, finishing the = mergelane. So very lucky for me, a breeze is blowing the glop to the = right. Looks like, on acceleration, a broken ring or some such in the = SUV. Smoke like seldom, seldom seen, huge plumes coming out the pipe. = I compose, fall in behind bus, pass, see SUV smoke has abated but still = noticeable. =20 WHEW. Chalk up another one, note for DCC. Figure the SUV isn't = going far as it's slowing, not worth taking my time. =20 One never knows . . .. =20 Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> Too young to smoke Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C03700.8163C160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WOW!!! Glad you came out of it = OK!
 
Tom
'86 VFR750
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mobacc=20
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 = 10:48=20 PM
Subject: Holy Smoke

Another bizarre hazard chalked up = --
 
The scene -- from W295 North (Kenilworth Ave.) to = Rte 50 E,=20 midday.  Pretty standard 90deg. turn exit.  I had been = following a=20 dirty midsized SUV (some puffing exhaust) for half a mile or so, and = was in=20 front of a Metrobus, both of which made the turn bracketing me at = reasonable=20 distances.  Speed seemed comfortable for all three of us. =20
 
As the SUV exited the turn and = mergelaned beside Rte.=20 50, there was one car of traffic, so SUV slowed a bit to wait.  I = did the=20 same, but the Metrobus narrowed the gap on me, probably reasonably=20 anticipating a quick merge after the traffic passed.   My = rearview=20 was filling up with bus. 
 
The traffic cleared and it seemed time for the = three of us=20 to make our moves as the mergelane petered out.  The bus started = to shift=20 left and pick up speed, nearing. 
 
HOLY #@%&*.  I'M IN THICK, THICK WHITE = SMOKE,=20 SEEING ZIP, FORWARD OR BACK.  AND IT STINKS.  I PRAY, BRAKE, = AND=20 HEAD GINGERLY FOR THE RIGHT.  I TRAVEL PERHAPS 50-100 YARDS, = ALMOST ON=20 THE SHOULDER, VIRTUALLY BLIND, HOPING I DONT HIT, GET HIT, OR FALL OFF = THE=20 PAVEMENT. 
 
Then it breaks.  The bus is on my left, = missing me by a=20 few feet.  The SUV is picking up speed, smoking like a smudgepot, = finishing the mergelane.  So very lucky for me, a breeze is = blowing the=20 glop to the right.  Looks like, on acceleration, a broken ring or = some=20 such in the SUV.  Smoke like seldom, seldom seen, huge plumes = coming out=20 the pipe.  I compose, fall in behind bus, pass, see SUV smoke has = abated=20 but still noticeable. 
 
WHEW.   Chalk up another one, note for = DCC. =20 Figure the SUV isn't going far as it's slowing, not worth taking my=20 time. 
 
One never knows . . .. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Too young to smoke
Join the = AMA. =20 Help protect my riding = fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C03700.8163C160-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 07:19:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GBJpK22215 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 07:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-29.patriot.net [209.249.180.29]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9GBJkJ09870; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 07:19:46 -0400 Message-ID: <39EAE3EB.5FBF5208@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 07:18:04 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobacc CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Holy Smoke References: <009b01c0371b$88b54680$68a4fccd@micron> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6EAA398DDCC23464D199BD9F" --------------6EAA398DDCC23464D199BD9F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeegads! Attacked by a fogger - the highway wierdness never stops. Hmmm... Methinks one annoying SUV is headed for doom. Sounds like a blown head gasket/cracked head to me - antifreeze = white stinky smoke. Wadda pity... Bill mobacc wrote: > Another bizarre hazard chalked up -- The scene -- from W295 North > (Kenilworth Ave.) to Rte 50 E, midday. Pretty standard 90deg. turn > exit. I had been following a dirty midsized SUV (some puffing > exhaust) for half a mile or so, and was in front of a Metrobus, both > of which made the turn bracketing me at reasonable distances. Speed > seemed comfortable for all three of us. As the SUV exited the turn and > mergelaned beside Rte. 50, there was one car of traffic, so SUV slowed > a bit to wait. I did the same, but the Metrobus narrowed the gap on > me, probably reasonably anticipating a quick merge after the traffic > passed. My rearview was filling up with bus. The traffic cleared and > it seemed time for the three of us to make our moves as the mergelane > petered out. The bus started to shift left and pick up speed, > nearing. HOLY #@%&*. I'M IN THICK, THICK WHITE SMOKE, SEEING ZIP, > FORWARD OR BACK. AND IT STINKS. I PRAY, BRAKE, AND HEAD GINGERLY FOR > THE RIGHT. I TRAVEL PERHAPS 50-100 YARDS, ALMOST ON THE SHOULDER, > VIRTUALLY BLIND, HOPING I DONT HIT, GET HIT, OR FALL OFF THE > PAVEMENT. Then it breaks. The bus is on my left, missing me by a few > feet. The SUV is picking up speed, smoking like a smudgepot, > finishing the mergelane. So very lucky for me, a breeze is blowing > the glop to the right. Looks like, on acceleration, a broken ring or > some such in the SUV. Smoke like seldom, seldom seen, huge plumes > coming out the pipe. I compose, fall in behind bus, pass, see SUV > smoke has abated but still noticeable. WHEW. Chalk up another one, > note for DCC. Figure the SUV isn't going far as it's slowing, not > worth taking my time. One never knows . . .. Bill S. / DC99 VN750 --> > Too young to smoke > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. --------------6EAA398DDCC23464D199BD9F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeegads!  Attacked by a fogger - the highway wierdness never stops.

Hmmm... Methinks one annoying SUV is headed for doom.  Sounds like a blown head gasket/cracked head to me - antifreeze = white stinky smoke.  Wadda pity...

Bill

mobacc wrote:

Another bizarre hazard chalked up -- The scene -- from W295 North (Kenilworth Ave.) to Rte 50 E, midday.  Pretty standard 90deg. turn exit.  I had been following a dirty midsized SUV (some puffing exhaust) for half a mile or so, and was in front of a Metrobus, both of which made the turn bracketing me at reasonable distances.  Speed seemed comfortable for all three of us. As the SUV exited the turn and mergelaned beside Rte. 50, there was one car of traffic, so SUV slowed a bit to wait.  I did the same, but the Metrobus narrowed the gap on me, probably reasonably anticipating a quick merge after the traffic passed.   My rearview was filling up with bus. The traffic cleared and it seemed time for the three of us to make our moves as the mergelane petered out.  The bus started to shift left and pick up speed, nearing. HOLY #@%&*.  I'M IN THICK, THICK WHITE SMOKE, SEEING ZIP, FORWARD OR BACK.  AND IT STINKS.  I PRAY, BRAKE, AND HEAD GINGERLY FOR THE RIGHT.  I TRAVEL PERHAPS 50-100 YARDS, ALMOST ON THE SHOULDER, VIRTUALLY BLIND, HOPING I DONT HIT, GET HIT, OR FALL OFF THE PAVEMENT. Then it breaks.  The bus is on my left, missing me by a few feet.  The SUV is picking up speed, smoking like a smudgepot, finishing the mergelane.  So very lucky for me, a breeze is blowing the glop to the right.  Looks like, on acceleration, a broken ring or some such in the SUV.  Smoke like seldom, seldom seen, huge plumes coming out the pipe.  I compose, fall in behind bus, pass, see SUV smoke has abated but still noticeable. WHEW.   Chalk up another one, note for DCC.  Figure the SUV isn't going far as it's slowing, not worth taking my time. One never knows . . .. Bill S. / DC99 VN750 --> Too young to smoke
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.
--------------6EAA398DDCC23464D199BD9F-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 07:31:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9GBVlK22435 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 07:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5297 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2000 11:43:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20001016114350.5296.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.151.168.42] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 04:43:50 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 04:43:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Holy Smoke To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Part 2- I had an early day off last week and it was beautiful, so of course I took a ride. Bad idea. Between 2:30 and 4:00 there are enough school busses to wreak total havoc in Maryland. The first bus I encountered was on a 45 mph country two lane road. There must have been 120 kids on this bus and each on lived on this road and was dropped off individually. I was terrified when I had to stop behind the bus, (for the twentieth time) at the crest of a hill. Thank goodness no one came up behind me. Bus number two was on route 140 in Westminster, MD. It's a four lane 55 mph road. The bus was about ten cars in front. It puts on its yellow flashers, then in about 5 seconds, the red flashers. Vehicles scrambling to stop. The bus gets going again. Now I'm about three vehicles behind, then two, then one. Yellow flashers come on again. Then red. Again, everyone nails the brakes. I'm even with the bus when a dumptruck blows by me on my left on the median grass. Damn thing nearly blew me over, let alone would have turned me into itty bitty bits. After the lights turn out, I redlined the first four gears to get as far away from that bus as possible. Drivers beware of the big bad bus. I can't believe Carroll County lets this go on everyday. But that's another e-mail. Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E --- mobacc wrote: > Another bizarre hazard chalked up -- > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 08:23:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f261.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.139]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GCNhK23150 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 05:23:36 -0700 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:23:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: (Guzzi) Eldo for sale Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:23:36 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2000 12:23:36.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[E824AD40:01C0376B] Nice looking bike, but he's asking $7,250 at the website, and offering it here for the low, low price of $3,950? That seems a little odd, although I don't know what the market is for 25 year old Eldos. Perry >From: NJitzul@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Fwd: (Guzzi) Eldo for sale >Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:47:07 EDT > >I've met this guy and seen the bike. If I had the $, I wouldn't be >forwarding >this! Great bike in excellent shape. If you were at the Italian Motorcycle >Festival, you saw this bike in the bike show. Please call or e-mail him for >questions. > >Rob VanSlyke > > ><< message3.txt >> _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 08:31:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GCVjK23313 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA06153 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02693 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9GCVfj11243718 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EAF52B.A33560E1@radix.net> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:31:39 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: GW pkwy cameras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit this is a stretch for biking but I found this in the Washington Times Op/Ed 'the Surveillance Society' . http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/ed-house-20001016163212.htm "...Photo enforcement of red-light running has expanded, oh-so-quietly, to speed enforcement on stretches of road controlled by the National Park Service (NPS). What began as an "experimental" use of the unblinking eye near National Airport is about to be expanded across the board to all parkways under control of the NPS.That includes the George Washington Memorial Parkway M-^W where the radar-trap cameras were first "tested" M-^W as well Rock Creek Parkway, the Potomac Parkway, Suitland Parkway, the Baltimore-Washington Parkway and the Clara Barton Parkway..." "...A "public comment" period is now in effect regarding the use of photo radar speed-enforcement on the parkways in our area. This is required before the system can be fully implemented. Call 703-289-2500 to express your opinion; or write to Audrey Calhoun, superintendent of George Washington Memorial Parkway, McLean, Va. 22101. The closing date for public comment is Oct. 31...." very ominous... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 09:24:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mail.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GDOmK24299 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.31.b6ad323 (4408) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:24:26 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <31.b6ad323.271c5b8a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:24:26 EDT Subject: Re: (Guzzi) Eldo for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 119 When I talked to him at the festival he said he was selling both it and the 72 Ambassador (?) because he didn't have room for them and his other projects. He rebuilds the bikes and then sells them. With winter coming, he probably wants to find it a good home quickly. This bike is in great condition and mechanically sound. As I said, if I had the $ I would buy it for myself and wouldn't bother forwarding it. Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV In a message dated 10/16/00 8:25:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > Nice looking bike, but he's asking $7,250 at the website, and offering it > here for the low, low price of $3,950? That seems a little odd, although I > don't know what the market is for 25 year old Eldos. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 09:36:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GDavK24539 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA06494 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA04379 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com ([207.223.162.88]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA32456; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EB301B.BC538696@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:43:07 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras References: <39EAF52B.A33560E1@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote : > > very ominous... Yes, indeed. I was just in the UK last month. Cameras are everywhere. In fact, the UK has more cameras in both private and public places than any other country in the world. Hasn't made any difference in crime (the pretext for installing them all over the place). Couldn't walk more than block anywhere without seeing a camera. And the dreaded "gatsos" are everywhere on the roads! Chuck From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 09:41:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GDf4K24554 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA06506 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA04472 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13370; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:35:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "DC-Cycles" , Subject: RE: GW pkwy cameras Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:41:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39EAF52B.A33560E1@radix.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal I can specify where one of these speed enforcement cameras is on George Washington Parkway. It's on the westbound lanes, just after you pass the CIA exit and a small NPS admin exit (a couple of miles before you get to the beltway). The camera is right at the NPS admin turnout and is mounted on a large pole. I will post this to the "Alerts" section of the new website to be released later this week. Any other sightings of speed cameras, consistent speed traps, or abusive police conduct (e.g. Leesburg & PG County) are welcome on the site. Please email dccwebsite@XXXXXX with additions. Cheers, Chris Weaver p.s. Go to www.motorcycleworld.com and search on "gatso" for more on how insidious traffic cameras can get. The U.K. has this disease pretty bad. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 5:32 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: GW pkwy cameras this is a stretch for biking but I found this in the Washington Times Op/Ed 'the Surveillance Society' . http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/ed-house-20001016163212.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 10:09:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GE95K25199 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-213-88.s596.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.213.88] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13lAwm-0004Oi-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:09:01 -0400 Message-ID: <00b001c0377a$289d2920$07d93ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <009201c03714$d5af8f60$68a4fccd@micron> Subject: Re: Cool Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:49:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C03756.63DFCB60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C03756.63DFCB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some good tips here. I might add that for cold weather riding I find it = hard to beat heavyweight silk long underwear. Very warm, form fitting = so no bunching up, and low bulk. For really cold stuff I wear wool = bicycling tights and an old wool bicycling jersey on top of the silk, = again for the form fitting, low bulk properties. PW in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mobacc=20 To: DC-Cycles=20 Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 10:00 PM Subject: Cool=20 Sharing a few offbeat coldfighters that have stood me in good stead = the past few winters (even the PARR New Years 'teens runs). (Some = mentioned in the past, longlisters.) --- -- "Snow Paws" ... ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C03756.63DFCB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some good tips here.  I might add = that for=20 cold weather riding I find it hard to beat heavyweight silk long=20 underwear.  Very warm, form fitting so no bunching up, and low = bulk. =20 For really cold stuff I wear wool bicycling tights and an old wool = bicycling=20 jersey on top of the silk, again for the form fitting, low bulk=20 properties.
 
PW in DC
1991 CB750
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Sharing a few offbeat coldfighters that have stood = me in=20 good stead the past few winters (even the PARR New Years 'teens = runs). =20 (Some mentioned in the past, longlisters.)  ---
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C03756.63DFCB60-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 10:15:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9GEFqK25376 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001016141537.27602.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 07:15:37 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 07:15:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: FitE Results To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The results page for the Feast in the East is now up: http://automated-design.com/fitevi/ Looks like our own Dale Horstman made 2nd place!! (and this after he had been complaining of a cold and how he might not ride as aggressively...) Congrats Dale, and to all the other DC-Cycles people who participated. Ride stories???? Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://MD-20-20.tripod.com Home Page: http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 10:16:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GEGjK25386 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-215-165.s419.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.215.165] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13lB4D-0000vy-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:16:42 -0400 Message-ID: <00c701c0377b$3b2724a0$07d93ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:09:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 The other is at the long sweeping curve just north of Nat'l Airport. These things are a menace, and another step in the erosion of our civil liberties, IMHO. How does one confront a "witness" in court, when the only witness is a box on a pole. PW in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Weaver To: DC-Cycles ; Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 12:41 PM Subject: RE: GW pkwy cameras > I can specify where one of these speed enforcement cameras is on George > Washington Parkway. It's on the westbound lanes, just after you pass the CIA > exit and a small NPS admin exit (a couple of miles before you get to the > beltway). The camera is right at the NPS admin turnout and is mounted on a > large pole. > > I will post this to the "Alerts" section of the new website to be released > later this week. Any other sightings of speed cameras, consistent speed > traps, or abusive police conduct (e.g. Leesburg & PG County) are welcome on > the site. Please email dccwebsite@XXXXXX with additions. > > Cheers, > Chris Weaver > > p.s. Go to www.motorcycleworld.com and search on "gatso" for more on how > insidious traffic cameras can get. The U.K. has this disease pretty bad. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 5:32 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: GW pkwy cameras > > > this is a stretch for biking but I found this in the Washington Times > Op/Ed > 'the Surveillance Society' . > > http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/ed-house-20001016163212.htm > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 10:29:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GEThK25550 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06764 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05510 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA14217; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:24:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Glenn Dysart" , "DC-Cycles" , Subject: RE: GW pkwy cameras Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:29:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20001016141323.24470.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sorry all. The link is www.motorcycleworld.co.uk, not .com. They were absorbed by MCN, so you can go to www.motorcyclenews.com for the same pages. Oops, Chris '98 VTR1000F -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 7:13 AM To: Christopher Weaver; DC-Cycles; chris_vtr@XXXXXX Subject: RE: GW pkwy cameras OK, I guess I'm legally blind. Where is their search engine? I don't see it anywhere on the page... Glenn --- Christopher Weaver wrote: > p.s. Go to www.motorcycleworld.com and search on > "gatso" for more on how > insidious traffic cameras can get. The U.K. has this > disease pretty bad. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! 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The SV 650 is a really good way to get into the sport, as it allows you to ride in the lightweight classes. If you've ever considered trying road racing, this is a good way to go. $6000 OBO Some pictures are here: http://www.speed-werks.com/foolrabbit/RM1.html Thanks for your time. Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 2000 Mid-Atlantic Champion, Lightweight and Heavyweight Twins http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 10:50:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GEoaK25962 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06931 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06394 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13943 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:50:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:50:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: GW pkwy cameras In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Christopher Weaver wrote: > Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:41:15 -0700 > From: Christopher Weaver > To: DC-Cycles , chris_vtr@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: GW pkwy cameras > > I can specify where one of these speed enforcement cameras is on George > Washington Parkway. It's on the westbound lanes, just after you pass the CIA > exit and a small NPS admin exit (a couple of miles before you get to the > beltway). The camera is right at the NPS admin turnout and is mounted on a > large pole. I think everyone who goes past this camera, and a similar one down just north of National airport, on a daily basis doesn't even blink. I'm sorta thinking that they're not actually turned on. Of course, now that I've said this, they /will/ get turned on... > I will post this to the "Alerts" section of the new website to be released > later this week. Any other sightings of speed cameras, consistent speed > traps, or abusive police conduct (e.g. Leesburg & PG County) are welcome on > the site. Please email dccwebsite@XXXXXX with additions. I believe that there's already a couple of websites that talk about speed traps and the like... A quick google search brings up lots of hits. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 10:56:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9GEuoK26087 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Mon Oct 16 07:56:30 2000 To: "dc cycles" Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 07:56:30 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought that was why they couldn't use these cameras. Or is our Constitution and procedures of law now completely irrelevant? -- On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:09:51 Paul A. Wilson wrote: >The other is at the long sweeping curve just north of Nat'l Airport. These >things are a menace, and another step in the erosion of our civil liberties, >IMHO. How does one confront a "witness" in court, when the only witness is >a box on a pole. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 11:06:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.watsonwyatt.com ([208.22.178.249]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9GF6cK26390 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:54 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "VFR-digest@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: FS Micron HiR C/F Oval '94-97 Message-ID: <20001016105232487-3253e35d@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For sale: Micron HiRight C/F Oval for '94-97 VFR w/ all hardware and instructions (for what they're worth) best looking/sounding can available for VFR ~5000 miles. Excellent condition. reinstalling stock can before sale of bike $175 + S&H Rob 301 216-0040 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 11:15:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GFFbK26606 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G2J008013P6VD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:15:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G2J0078V3P6T5@XXXXXX>; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:15:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) id <0G2J00G013P6NU@XXXXXX>; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:15:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0G2J00G013OT7S@XXXXXX>; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:15:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0G2J00G023OS7Q@XXXXXX>; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:14:52 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:13:59 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: FitE Results To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <39EB1B37.E3198A38@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20001016141537.27602.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > The results page for the Feast in the East is now up: > http://automated-design.com/fitevi/ > > Looks like our own Dale Horstman made 2nd place!! (and this after he had been > complaining of a cold and how he might not ride as aggressively...) Well, my cold cleared up. :) And I only rode aggressively on the last stretch of I-40 when I realized I was gonna be late. I ran the last 45 miles in about 32 minutes. Yow. Thank heavens traffic was moving with me. > Congrats Dale, and to all the other DC-Cycles people who participated. I hit some really incredible roads on this Rally. Rallymaster Bryan Moody really outdid himself. I had an absolutely great time. The good finish was completely unexpected and just added to the fun. > Ride stories???? Stay tuned. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 11:21:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GFL2K26695 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (id179.megapipe.net [63.65.99.179]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA06812 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:16:27 -0400 Message-ID: <011a01c03784$8e6b95c0$b363413f@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: FS: '98-'00 VFR800 Heli-Bars Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:19:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 DC-Cycles gets first shot, tomorrow I'll put them on the VFR list. For Sale VFR800 Helibars, fits '98-'00. Info can be found at http://www.helibars.com/honda.html New price is $239, will sell for $150. I'm in Leesburg, Va if you want to pick them up. We could arrange to meet somewhere or I will ship them UPS for no extra charge. Or bring your bike to Leesburg and I'll install them for you for an extra $50. Respond to bnorton@XXXXXX Bruce From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 11:33:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.watsonwyatt.com ([208.22.178.249]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9GFXAK26871 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:32 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "VFR-digest@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "Rob Bell" Subject: Re:FS Micron HiR C/F Oval '94-97 Message-ID: <20001016113019888-32767c65@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sold. R ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: FS Micron HiR C/F Oval '94-97 Author: Rob Bell Date: 10/16/2000 10:54 AM For sale: Micron HiRight C/F Oval for '94-97 VFR w/ all hardware and instructions (for what they're worth) best looking/sounding can available for VFR ~5000 miles. Excellent condition. reinstalling stock can before sale of bike $175 + S&H Rob 301 216-0040 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 11:45:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gothic.answerlogic.com (gothic.answerlogic.com [38.203.217.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GFjCK27127 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from klingon (10.10.10.190 [10.10.10.190]) by gothic.answerlogic.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id TDS87FXF; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:43:29 -0400 Message-ID: <112501c03787$ce24ba40$be0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> From: "Han Park" To: "DC-Cycles" References: <009201c03714$d5af8f60$68a4fccd@micron> Subject: Cold weather tire preassures Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:42:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1122_01C03766.3BAF4CF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1122_01C03766.3BAF4CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What tire pressures do people run in the cold? I did some night = time riding this weekend (not aggressive, mostly rural highway) and = after stopping I felt the tires and they weren't nearly as warm as they = are when riding in the day time. Currently my tire pressures are at 30 = (front) and 33 (rear) this air pressure was taken before riding and the = temperature was like 45-50 degrees. I guess my question is, should you = run lower than normal tire pressures (like 25 psi) when it's cold (less = than 55 degrees)? Also what is the recommended operating temperature = for tires (207 street compound)? Finally where can I go to get my air = guage calibrated? After the cycle sport track day I found my air gauge = was 3 psi optomistic (thanks Brian Roach, hope everything is okay with = you) and I would like to check it again. han ------=_NextPart_000_1122_01C03766.3BAF4CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    What tire pressures = do people=20 run in the cold?  I did some night time riding this weekend (not=20 aggressive, mostly rural highway) and after stopping I felt the tires = and they=20 weren't nearly as warm as they are when riding in the day time.  = Currently=20 my tire pressures are at 30 (front) and 33 (rear) this air pressure = was=20 taken before riding and the temperature was like 45-50 degrees.  I = guess my=20 question is, should you run lower than normal tire pressures (like 25 = psi) when=20 it's cold (less than 55 degrees)?  Also what is the = recommended=20 operating temperature for tires (207 street compound)?  Finally = where can I=20 go to get my air guage calibrated?  After the cycle sport track day = I found=20 my air gauge was 3 psi optomistic (thanks Brian Roach, hope everything = is okay=20 with you) and I would like to check it again.
 
han
------=_NextPart_000_1122_01C03766.3BAF4CF0-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 11:55:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GFtIK27442 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9GFt6j11010084 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EB24D6.EEBF99E@radix.net> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:55:02 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Cold weather tire preassures References: <009201c03714$d5af8f60$68a4fccd@micron> <112501c03787$ce24ba40$be0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Han Park wrote: > > What tire pressures do people run in the cold? I see the tire type below, what kind of bike ? > I did some night > time riding this weekend (not aggressive, mostly rural highway) and > after stopping I felt the tires and they weren't nearly as warm as > they are when riding in the day time. Currently my tire pressures are > at 30 (front) and 33 (rear) this air pressure was taken before riding > and the temperature was like 45-50 degrees. I guess my question is, > should you run lower than normal tire pressures (like 25 psi) when > it's cold (less than 55 degrees)? I wouldn't say 'lower than normal' rather 'lower than the scorching summer temps'. FWIW, I have a 185# riding weight, my bike weighs in at around 530# wet, & in the summer I typically run 32 - 33 front 34 - 35 rear. I'll drop the pressures to 31 front / 32-33 rear as read on my gauge... These pressures work well for me & my setup, YMMV > Also what is the recommended > operating temperature for tires (207 street compound)? Sounds like a ? for Dunlop... > Finally where > can I go to get my air guage calibrated? After the cycle sport track > day I found my air gauge was 3 psi optomistic (thanks Brian Roach, > hope everything is okay with you) and I would like to check it again. I'd like to know the answer to this myself, I've yet to find any 2 that read the same... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 12:00:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GG0JK27705 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA07488 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3606.mail.yahoo.com (web3606.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.110]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA08873 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001016141323.24470.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.4] by web3606.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 07:13:23 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 07:13:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: GW pkwy cameras To: Christopher Weaver , DC-Cycles , chris_vtr@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK, I guess I'm legally blind. Where is their search engine? I don't see it anywhere on the page... Glenn --- Christopher Weaver wrote: > p.s. Go to www.motorcycleworld.com and search on > "gatso" for more on how > insidious traffic cameras can get. The U.K. has this > disease pretty bad. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 12:02:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GG2YK27745 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA26903; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:05:12 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Han Park" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Cold weather tire preassures Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:05:38 -0400 Message-ID: <00c001c0378a$ed1ba3c0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C03769.660A03C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <112501c03787$ce24ba40$be0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C03769.660A03C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Depends. Have you replaced your summer air with winter air yet? :-) -----Original Message----- From: Han Park [mailto:hpark@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:43 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Cold weather tire preassures What tire pressures do people run in the cold? I did some night time riding this weekend (not aggressive, mostly rural highway) and after stopping I felt the tires and they weren't nearly as warm as they are when riding in the day time. Currently my tire pressures are at 30 (front) and 33 (rear) this air pressure was taken before riding and the temperature was like 45-50 degrees. I guess my question is, should you run lower than normal tire pressures (like 25 psi) when it's cold (less than 55 degrees)? Also what is the recommended operating temperature for tires (207 street compound)? Finally where can I go to get my air guage calibrated? After the cycle sport track day I found my air gauge was 3 psi optomistic (thanks Brian Roach, hope everything is okay with you) and I would like to check it again. han ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C03769.660A03C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Depends.  Have you replaced your summer = air with=20 winter air yet?  :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Han Park=20 [mailto:hpark@XXXXXX]
Sent: Monday, October 16, = 2000 11:43=20 AM
To: DC-Cycles
Subject: Cold weather tire=20 preassures

    What tire = pressures do people=20 run in the cold?  I did some night time riding this weekend (not=20 aggressive, mostly rural highway) and after stopping I felt the tires = and they=20 weren't nearly as warm as they are when riding in the day time. =20 Currently my tire pressures are at 30 (front) and 33 (rear) this = air=20 pressure was taken before riding and the temperature was like 45-50=20 degrees.  I guess my question is, should you run lower than = normal tire=20 pressures (like 25 psi) when it's cold (less than 55 = degrees)?  Also=20 what is the recommended operating temperature for tires (207 street=20 compound)?  Finally where can I go to get my air guage = calibrated? =20 After the cycle sport track day I found my air gauge was 3 psi = optomistic=20 (thanks Brian Roach, hope everything is okay with you) and I would = like to=20 check it again.
 
han
------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C03769.660A03C0-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 12:15:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9GGFbK28107 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001016161530.5273.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.177] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:15:30 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:15:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Cold weather tire preassures To: Han Park , DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii if you're running 30/33 for regular riding, you don't need to decrease pressures for colder weather....the LOWEST i go is 30/30. you need SOME pressure to keep the thing on the wheel, you know! i commute at 32/36 on D207s....and rarely feel the need to go lower than that (with those tires) when we head to the mountains for really spirited riding. --- Han Park wrote: > What tire pressures do people run in the cold? I did > some night time riding this weekend (not aggressive, > mostly rural highway) and after stopping I felt the tires > and they weren't nearly as warm as they are when riding > in the day time. Currently my tire pressures are at 30 > (front) and 33 (rear) this air pressure was taken before > riding and the temperature was like 45-50 degrees. I > guess my question is, should you run lower than normal > tire pressures (like 25 psi) when it's cold (less than 55 > degrees)? Also what is the recommended operating > temperature for tires (207 street compound)? Finally > where can I go to get my air guage calibrated? After the > cycle sport track day I found my air gauge was 3 psi > optomistic (thanks Brian Roach, hope everything is okay > with you) and I would like to check it again. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 12:21:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9GGLnK28230 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001016162141.7205.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.177] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:21:41 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:21:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the sixth amendment is irrelevant in the context of administrative law. due process concerns are weighed against the government's interest in efficiency! sad, but true --- Matthew Patton wrote: > I thought that was why they couldn't use these cameras. > Or is our Constitution and procedures of law now > completely irrelevant? > > -- > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:09:51 Paul A. Wilson wrote: > >The other is at the long sweeping curve just north of > Nat'l Airport. These > >things are a menace, and another step in the erosion of > our civil liberties, > >IMHO. How does one confront a "witness" in court, when > the only witness is > >a box on a pole. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 12:40:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GGeHK28546 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9GGeCj10653696 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EB2F65.EFB2EE08@radix.net> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:40:05 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras References: <20001016162141.7205.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > the sixth amendment is irrelevant in the context of > administrative law. ? - aren't traffic violations 'criminal' violation (not administrative)... IOW doesn't a citation charge you with a crime against the state/commonwealth/people/jurisdiction ? > due process concerns are weighed > against the government's interest in efficiency! sad, but > true Government... efficiency... Aren't they mutually exclusive ???? -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 12:47:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GGlHK28766 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA27210; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:46:50 -0400 Message-ID: <39EB312E.969AB891@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:47:42 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Balt-Cycles-l , "D.C.Cycles-L" , "LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX" , "SOC-USA@XXXXXX" , "Suzuki Owners Club Md." Subject: I need a Lawyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Friday the 13th F-n Sucks!!! Can anyone recommend a lawyer who can try criminal and civil cases in Howard Co. and Baltimore Co. in Maryland? I was moving out of my psycho, EX-Landloard's place, and her cousin's boyfriend who assaulted me earlier that night, waited for me to leave. I was on my Suzuki Katana 600 on Rt. 1, Washington Blvd. when I notice a car with it's high beams on, start to tail gate me. I change lanes to the slow lane thinking it's a LEO pulling me over. Well the guy and his girlfriend pull along side me, roll down the window and the driver lets out a sinister maniacal laugh and pulls into my lane forcing me to the shoulder. I rocket away, his camaro catches up to me 'cause of traffic, and he tries to run me off the again. I see salvation ahead, Daniel's Bar in Elkridge, a bunch of bikes parked out front, this place has an outdoor bar that you can pull your bike up to for, say, Coffee. Well, as I'm slowing down and pulling into the driveway the camaro clips my left turn signal, and I go down gently the right side. The Bikers come running to help, and the Camaro jets. 45 minuets later the LEO's show up, seems they had 2 gun related incidents going on at the same time. I've filled criminal assault charges on the ex-landloard and her cousins boyfriend, he threw my Toledo Sword at me, thankfully hilt first, getting me in the face. Nothing that a Johns Hopkins Plastic Surgeon can't fix. Other than some bruises, I'm fine, the Kat just got some cosmetic damage, but that's enough to cause me great mental anguish. Who want's to get rich with me, by handling all this? Steve Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 13:01:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net (relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net [38.9.157.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GH1UK04608 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13lDdV-00030Z-00; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:01:17 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id S9V4D7P2; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:48:12 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: "Dave Yates" Cc: "dc cycles" Subject: RE: GW pkwy cameras Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:03:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39EB2F65.EFB2EE08@radix.net> -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:40 AM Cc: dc cycles Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras Tom Gimer wrote: > > the sixth amendment is irrelevant in the context of > administrative law. ? - aren't traffic violations 'criminal' violation (not administrative)... IOW doesn't a citation charge you with a crime against the state/commonwealth/people/jurisdiction ? > due process concerns are weighed > against the government's interest in efficiency! sad, but > true ----> Government... efficiency... Aren't they mutually exclusive ???? ----> No, it's an Oxymoron. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 13:08:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cdzmdimsout.circleserve.net ([205.229.56.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GH8NK04688 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cdzmdimsout.circleserve.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:22:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Kaston, Michelle" To: "'Matthew Ehlert '" , "'Dave Yates '" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: 2 up riding Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:01:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain darnit..... I just got this message or I would have LOVED a ride over the weekend. As it was, I got sucked into helping a friend move. ugh. riding would have been so much more fun than hauling furniture out of one house and into another. oh well. anyone riding this coming weekend? It'll be the first weekend in a month where I actually have time so I want to put a few good miles on..... -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Ehlert To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 10/13/00 5:45 PM Subject: Re: 2 up riding --- Dave Yates wrote: > > Well, let's not get carried away there, Matthew... > when would we have > time to ride ???? ;-) > actually my goddess wife is working sunday.... so i am free from the mines to motor... if anybody wants to ride..... preferably with a mission... like seafood restaurant! maybe Michelle the goddess can lead.... even though we are suppose to worship one god. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 13:44:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mail.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GHi3K05759 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id o.b7.79f4ac4 (3937); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:43:48 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:43:47 EDT Subject: Re: Cold weather tire preassures To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 119 sdave@XXXXXX writes: << I'd like to know the answer to this myself, I've yet to find any 2 that read the same... >> I'm a pilot and aircraft tech at National. I get all my tools calibrated, including my air pressure gauges. If anyone wants to compare their gauge or wants me to send it in to get calibrated let me know...I should be back to work by next Monday... Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 13:44:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3602.mail.yahoo.com (web3602.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9GHiYK05773 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001016174426.20829.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.5] by web3602.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:44:26 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:44:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Cold weather tire preassures To: Han Park , DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just dump the one you have and purchase an Accutire tire gauge. Costco seems to sell them for around $10. Consumer reports tested them about 3 years ago and found then to be within 1/2 lb accuracy. I can confirm this as I own three of them. Glenn --- Han Park wrote: After the cycle sport track day I found > my air gauge was 3 psi optomistic (thanks Brian > Roach, hope everything is okay with you) and I would > like to check it again. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 14:37:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9GIbIK07127 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001016183707.29404.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.177] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:37:07 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: Dave Yates Cc: dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > the sixth amendment is irrelevant in the context of > > administrative law. > > ? - aren't traffic violations 'criminal' violation > > (not administrative)... IOW doesn't a citation charge you > with a crime against the > state/commonwealth/people/jurisdiction ? many are 'violations' ... you don't have the opportunity to cross examine, etc., on parking tickets or other 'violations' unless you specifically request a hearing, and even then there is no guarantee. the same goes for these citations which only amount to FINES. my understanding of the photo tickets was that they aren't pressing for points, only fines. AND (i think)....if the states really wanted to, they could try to eliminate your ability to cross on speeding tickets and other moving violations. because the DMV/MVA/whatever the state calls it is an administrative agency, the full due process protections are not afforded to violators. but, since they have decided to provide these protections, it would require jumping through a bigger constitutional hurdle to take them away. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 14:43:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9GIhsK07205 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001016184346.2004.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.177] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:43:46 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:43:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: I need a Lawyer To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" , "D.C.Cycles-L" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'll be happy to help you after i'm admitted to practice in md (hopefully this nov/dec). you've got plenty of time to initiate your action..... trying the CRIMINAL case will be the job of the prosecutor --- "Steven C. Di Pietro" wrote: > Friday the 13th F-n Sucks!!! > > Can anyone recommend a lawyer who can try criminal > and civil cases > in Howard Co. and Baltimore Co. in Maryland? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 15:08:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r19.mail.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GJ80K07831 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id m.a0.af40d94 (15888); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web37.aolmail.aol.com (web37.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.13]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:07:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:07:37 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cool To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: I can vouch for the wetsuit tip. Heard it once and didn't quite believe it til I tried it. I guess it only makes sense since you melt in them until you get into the water. Scooter In a message dated Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:13:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Paul A. Wilson" writes: << Some good tips here. I might add that for cold weather riding I find it har= d to beat heavyweight silk long underwear. Very warm, form fitting so no bu= nching up, and low bulk. For really cold stuff I wear wool bicycling tights= and an old wool bicycling jersey on top of the silk, again for the form fit= ting, low bulk properties. PW in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mobacc=20 To: DC-Cycles=20 Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 10:00 PM Subject: Cool=20 Sharing a few offbeat coldfighters that have stood me in good stead the pa= st few winters (even the PARR New Years 'teens runs). (Some mentioned in th= e past, longlisters.) --- -- "Snow Paws" ... Some good tips here. I might add that= for=20 cold weather riding I find it hard to beat heavyweight silk long=20 underwear. Very warm, form fitting so no bunching up, and low bulk.&nb= sp;=20 For really cold stuff I wear wool bicycling tights and an old wool bicycling= =20 jersey on top of the silk, again for the form fitting, low bulk=20 properties. PW in DC 1991 CB750 http://use= rs.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From:=20 mob= acc=20 To: DC-Cycles Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 10:00=20 PM Subject: Cool Sharing a few offbeat coldfighters that have stood me=20= in=20 good stead the past few winters (even the PARR New Years 'teens runs).&nbs= p;=20 (Some mentioned in the past, longlisters.) --- -- "Snow Paws" ... >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 15:25:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mia.bellsouth.net (mail2.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.144.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GJP0K08207 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-208-60-254-173.mia.bellsouth.net [208.60.254.173]) by mail2.mia.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id PAA22928; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EB55D4.39EE0F81@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:24:05 -0400 From: X X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SOC-USA@XXXXXX CC: Balt-Cycles-l , "D.C.Cycles-L" , "LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX" , "Suzuki Owners Club Md." Subject: Re: [SOC-USA] I need a Lawyer References: <39EB312E.969AB891@peabody.jhu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to hear what happened to you I hope your all right. I'm not a lawyer but my 1st. question is , do you have witnesses and addresses, # etc..... very important. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 17:44:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GLiZK10580 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-214-107.s107.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.214.107] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13lI3b-0003ZU-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:44:32 -0400 Message-ID: <008501c037b9$ca43eae0$9ed73ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <20001016183707.29404.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:39:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 What about the Commonwealth, where twenty over the limit is a de facto reckless, punishable by jail time? Some "hanging judge" down in SW Va. has been handing out jail time for reckless. It doesn't take much (just moving with the traffic flow) to hit 60 in the 40 mph zone where the National Airport camera is. The District is proposing installing these things in a roving fashion where they would move them around to trouble spots. One councilmember (Carol Schwartz IIRC) suggested that they only assess fines, not points. Ain't that nice. Sounds like the primary motivation is revenue, not safety, especially if the camera installer gets a cut of the revenue, like the DC red light camera program. I repeat, these things are a menace, regardless of legalistic hairsplitting. Being able to confront one's accusers is a right established in common law as far back as the Magna Carta. PW in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Gimer To: Dave Yates Cc: dc cycles Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 2:37 PM Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras > --- Dave Yates wrote: > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > > the sixth amendment is irrelevant in the context of > > > administrative law. > > > > ? - aren't traffic violations 'criminal' violation > > > (not administrative)... IOW doesn't a citation charge you > > with a crime against the > > state/commonwealth/people/jurisdiction ? > > many are 'violations' ... you don't have the opportunity to > cross examine, etc., on parking tickets or other > 'violations' unless you specifically request a hearing, and > even then there is no guarantee. the same goes for these > citations which only amount to FINES. my understanding of > the photo tickets was that they aren't pressing for points, > only fines. AND (i think)....if the states really wanted > to, they could try to eliminate your ability to cross on > speeding tickets and other moving violations. because the > DMV/MVA/whatever the state calls it is an administrative > agency, the full due process protections are not afforded > to violators. but, since they have decided to provide > these protections, it would require jumping through a > bigger constitutional hurdle to take them away. > > > > -- > tg From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 18:08:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [162.129.231.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GM8tK10976 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.67]) by gigue.peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA08839; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:09:05 -0400 Message-ID: <39EB7CB9.41DECB3F@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:10:01 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SOC-USA@XXXXXX CC: Balt-Cycles-l , "D.C.Cycles-L" , "LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX" , "Suzuki Owners Club Md." Subject: Re: [SOC-USA] I need a Lawyer References: <39EB312E.969AB891@peabody.jhu.edu> <39EB55D4.39EE0F81@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X wrote: > Sorry to hear what happened to you I hope your all right. I'm not a lawyer > but my 1st. question is , do you have witnesses and addresses, # etc..... > very important. > X, Yup, sure did. My sister and her fiancee were behind me. They say everything. I will never forget the look on my sisters face, as she was running to see if I was O.K. Mental Anguish, you bet! Steve From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 18:10:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9GMAvK10998 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001016221050.19087.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.177] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:10:50 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:10:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: "Paul A. Wilson" , dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Paul A. Wilson" wrote: > What about the Commonwealth, where twenty over the limit > is a de facto reckless, punishable by jail time? Some > "hanging judge" down in SW Va. has been handing out jail > time for reckless. apparently the disease is spreading....a friend of mine just got 97 days in fairfax county for 97/55 on route 66. you know who you are, punk! > It doesn't take much (just moving > with the traffic flow) to hit 60 in the 40 mph zone where > the National Airport camera is. isn't that a parkway? that'll be a federal citation, won't it? i don't think they do the reckless thing like va. also, these photo-violations are routinely just sent to the vehicle owner, not to a specific licensed driver, correct? that would seem to me to indicate that they aren't treated as your typical traffic citations. > The District is proposing installing these things in a > roving fashion where they would move them around to > trouble spots. One councilmember (Carol Schwartz IIRC) > suggested that they only assess fines, not points. Ain't > that nice. Sounds like the primary motivation is > revenue, not safety, i think we all knew that a while ago > I repeat, these things are a menace, regardless of > legalistic hairsplitting. Being able to confront one's > accusers is a right established in common law > as far back as the Magna Carta. that accuser (the box on a pole) seems to have incontrovertible evidence. he's gonna have a photograph of you and electronic verification of the speed/location of your vehicle. what are you planning on asking him if given the chance? i hear your concerns...and i hate these things too. but i think you've gotta come up with a better plan for getting rid of them than claiming a 6th amendment right to confront.....especially if all they want is our money. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 18:49:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mail.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GMnVK11587 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.7a.b7c64cc (3843) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:49:21 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7a.b7c64cc.271cdff0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:49:20 EDT Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 118 To paraphrase the character in "The Graduate", One word - countermeasures. Radar detectors to identify the probable presense of an emitter - the cameras are going to be running constant-on radar, very easy to spot, especially if you know what is usually in the area - a new emitter will show up like a bonfire. Yeah, I know they're illegal in VA and DC - so much the better, as the local Gensdarmerie has no defense against them except VG-2 (and that's not a problem with a good unit). On a more passive note, license plate covers that render the plate unreadable from an angle are available - there are two main types, those that distort pictures taken from a high angle looking down at the plate, and those that distort from a side angle. All they get is a nice picture of your back with a blur where the plate is. Michael (Inspector Gadget) J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 18:52:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mail.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GMqpK11676 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.99.b719ecf (3849) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:52:36 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: <99.b719ecf.271ce0b3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:52:35 EDT Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras - fed law on speeding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 In a message dated 10/16/00 6:12:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: << isn't that a parkway? that'll be a federal citation, won't it? i don't think they do the reckless thing like va. >> They can under the Assimilative Crimes Act. Any law of the Commonwealth is applicable on federal property, unless there is specific federal statutes regarding that offense. There is no federal statute on speeding so it defaults to the law of the state where the offense occurred (VA in this case). I know, I got hit with a nasty 77/35 on the GW parkway near Belle Haven. Its a federal summons in federal court but penalties and such are the laws of VA. The good news is that it DOES NOT show up on your driving record... Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 18:55:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mail.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GMtuK11689 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.75.aece250 (3849) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:55:41 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: <75.aece250.271ce16d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:55:41 EDT Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 In a message dated 10/16/00 6:52:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MJordan666@XXXXXX writes: << On a more passive note, license plate covers that render the plate unreadable from an angle are available - there are two main types, those that distort pictures taken from a high angle looking down at the plate, and those that distort from a side angle. All they get is a nice picture of your back with a blur where the plate is. >> Not to mention that its nearly impossible for the camera to catch your plate if you have it tucked under the fender like I do. VA law allows this as long as its not distorted and is fully lit. Those of you with sportbikes may want to consider doing this if you are worried about the cameras. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 19:27:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f222.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GNRFK12303 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:26:54 -0700 Received: from 63.20.245.193 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:26:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.20.245.193] From: "Laura Granato" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Laura's GNF report-long Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:26:54 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2000 23:26:54.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[9200B280:01C037C8] since I'm waiting to be resubscribed to the list, I thought I'd send my post from this e-mail. Well, as you all heard, it was an interesting weekend, and more lessons learned. I'll give you the lesson first, then my description of the incident that I was unfortunate enough to witness. Many people go to the races to see crashes, and I admit, at many times I felt that was the most exciting part of racing. This weekend I learned that you never want anyone to crash, especially when it's someone you know. I don't think I'll ever view racing the same as I did after witnessing Brian's crash. the next lesson, wear good safety gear. Had it not been for Brian's good helmet and gear, I would not want to have seen what happened. I was standing on the front straight in the middle of it, so I had a good view of turn 12 before the straight and turns 1 and 2 after the straight. Brian was running an awesome race. He started off with a not so good start, going into turn one in last place. In the usual Roach style, as the race progressed, he kept passing people left and right and on lap six he was in eighth position...incredible for the guys he was running against and the fact that his bike is down on horsepower compared to those leading the race, and he was racing against almost all experts. I see it's about time for him to come back down the hill to turn 12. If you haven't been to Road Atlanta before...this is a serious track, folks. And the hill before turn 12 is a steep hill that goes straight down with a 90 degree turn at the bottom of it. I see Brian crest the top of the hill and he's right on the ass of the guy in 7th place. It is apparent that he's going to try to pass him and get ahead of him on the straight. Well, Brian came railing down the hill at about 100 miles an hour, and as I'm watching him, he starts to come around the turn on the outside of the person in 7th...I don't know what happened, but the front end tucked and Brian went sliding across the pavement at 100 mph, not even slowing down until he slammed into the tire wall, the hay bails and went flipping on top of them. At this point, I can't tell you what happened because I was shaking so bad and crying from witnessing that accident. Brian was knocked out cold and wasn't moving...at that point, I ran back to the pits because I was so upset I didn't want to see what was coming next. I knew it was the ambulance. I thought for sure that Brian had broken many bones, if he was even going to be that lucky. Randy and Steve clark were in the pits and took care of me there. We walked over to the hot pit that overlooked the track. I kept my face buried in Steve's chest because I couldn't watch after I saw the ambulance lights right in front of the scene. I knew he got up on his own because I heard everyone clapping, but I still didn't watch. Randy drove me back to the pits, thank God, because my legs were shaking so bad I don't think I could have made it. Steve clark contacted his girlfriend on the scanner, as she was a race official that day. And they took me down to medical. The first person to greet me was the priest. You can imagine what was going through my head at that time! Then the doctor came over to me and explained he had a concussion and was not responding accurately to their questions so they had to keep him for a while, but I could go in and sit with him if I wanted, so that's what I did. Brian was pretty out of it when I got in there...he just kept telling me that he was fine. He had road rash on his shoulder from where his leathers ripped, bruises up his right arm which were covered with ice to keep him from swelling, a jammed thumb, and a concussion. I sat with him for about an hour and was in charge of making him drink lots of fluids. The doctor told me how to take care of him and finally I got to go back to the pits, get clothes for him, and take him back. The rest of the day was really hard. Brian was really out of it, and only had the following phrases and questions that he repeated, NOT JOKING, at least 150 times each: can I see my helmet? how do my leathers look? did anyone see what happened? did anyone take pictures? what place was I in when I crashed? what turn was it in? and as randy said....was it spectacular? I spent the day changes his ice packs and bandages, keeping people from giving him pain killers, and keeping his friends from messing with him. Trust me, it would have been fun, but not the right time for it. ;-) Anyways...I had to wake Brian up every hour all that night to ask him where he was, what his name was, what his birthday was, and where he lived. As the night went on, he got better, and by the morning he was doing pretty well. By today, he was pretty much better. Still a little sore, but much better. I know Brian is really disappointed because he didn't get to race for the two championships he was in the running for, but he did the smart thing and didn't race the rest of the weekend, he just spectated...even though the doctor said he could race if he got checked out. Wear good safety gear guys and girls! The street is much more dangerous than a track. Brian was traveling at over 100 mph hour on pavement, grass, tire walls and hay bails, and walked away from it. There is a lot to be said for that. I'm sure Brian will make a post, but since he doesn't remember what happened, I figured I'd give you the story from a spectators point of view. I know he's mad at me, but I didn't get pictures of it. I had my camera in hand, but the last thing I was thinking of was snapping photos as I saw him go down. Laura _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 19:31:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GNVpK12387 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA10558 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net ([64.8.20.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA21763 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([216.174.23.206]) by smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G2JQOE00.BK5; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:31:26 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Tl1000" , "SV650" , "R1 Email List" , "Suzuki-Bikes" , "Hayabusa" , "GSXR" , "fj1100" Subject: Summit Point Photos from 10-15-00 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:31:19 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Album #1 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=9398650 Album #2 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=9398663 Album #3 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=9398674 Album #4 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=9401356 Album #5 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=9415120 Gary Foreman TL Owners Club: http://www.tl1000.com GSX-R750 Owners Club: http://pub9.ezboard.com/bgsxr750ownersboard SV Owners Club: http://pub17.ezboard.com/bsv650ownersboard FJ Owners Club: http://www.fj1100.com _ .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 19:50:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r19.mail.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GNooK12718 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id i.29.b753569 (9492); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:50:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <29.b753569.271cee40@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:50:24 EDT Subject: Re: Laura's GNF report-long To: dccwebsite@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 119 In a message dated 10/16/00 7:31:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dccwebsite@XXXXXX writes: << And the hill before turn 12 is a steep hill that goes straight down with a 90 degree turn at the bottom of it. >> Yeah, that turn is hairy and it is not visible until way late (like other turns on that course) and you have to remember to stay to the left before it comes up or your heading into the the right pit lane and way off the racing line. Took me three races (and the end of my third race) to get it right and even then I would slow down while the regulars opened their throttles. Difficult track first time there. No way I would pass there except on the last lap. Tried to in one race but didn't have the balls. Glad Bryan is ok, tell him I said hi and that he let us Mid-Atlantic guys down (just kidding). We were confined to the infield paddock so I didn't get to see you guys/girls except for Randy by chance. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 20:11:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r19.mail.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9H0BCK12981 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.30.b77e6d1 (16785) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:10:59 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <30.b77e6d1.271cf313@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:10:59 EDT Subject: Hi Kids. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 104 Kushitani full leather suit ... $1500 Bell M4 helmet .... $300 Knox back protector ... $180 Teknic Violator gloves ... $115 Sidi Vertebrae boots ... $225 Hitting a haybail covered concrete wall at over 100mph... ... rather painfull, truth be told. I don't recommend it. Thanks for everyone's wishes and prayers. I'm ok. As Laura mentioned... I lost the front end going down the hill that leads onto to front stretch at Road Atlanta. This is not somewhere you want to crash. Trust me on this one. You're in 5th gear on a 125gp machine, about to shift to 6th, and travelling well over 100mph ... and there's only about 30 feet of run-off before you hit the wall. Trust me again when I say you don't slow down much in the aforementioned 30 feet. The resulting carnage left me with a severe concussion that I'm still feeling (ever so slightly), and I'm battered and bruised all over. If it were not for top-notch safety gear, I prob would not be typing this. While a disappointing way to end the season, as I was not able to run the D-Superbike and Formula-2 races, I'm thankful to be in one piece. The bike is repairable (it faired better than I) and I still won two regional championships. For next year I'm buying a brand new 125gp machine (hopefully a 2001 TZ125) and will attempt not to hit any walls or other immovable objects.... oh, and win some more races :) I'd also like to publicly thank Laura for being such an amazing person. It's horrible when someone crashes at the track. It's worse when you know them and/or care about them. If you also have to see it, it pretty much just sucks rocks. She took care of me for almost 2 days, making sure I didn't wander off or end up face down somewhere because my head was completely unglued, and I can't begin to thank her enough for that. I'd also like to thank Randy, Steve, and the multitudes of other people who came by and checked up on me this weekend. You don't realize just how many wonderfull friends you have at the racetrack until it's you that's hurt, and it's a pretty awesome thing to feel. Thanks again, - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 20:25:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mail.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9H0PeK13214 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.59.187e2ce (16785); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:25:24 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <59.187e2ce.271cf673@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:25:23 EDT Subject: Re: Pete's Get-Off from Cycle Sport Day To: Eternity23@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 104 In a message dated 10/12/00 10:11:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Eternity23@XXXXXX writes: > Sean "Never crashed (yet)" Jordan > Sean - best suggestion I have for you. Go out to your garage. Right now. You there? Good. Kick over your race bike. Just do it. Trust me :) Brian "Never wrecked all season but found a REALLY great spot to do it at the GNF" Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 20:36:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mail.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9H0aHK13431 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id i.68.83706d2 (16785); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:35:32 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <68.83706d2.271cf8d3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:35:31 EDT Subject: Re: Laura's GNF report-long To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dccwebsite@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 104 In a message dated 10/16/00 7:55:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Boiade@XXXXXX writes: > No way I would pass there except on the > last lap. Tried to in one race but didn't have the balls. > I think that's more a reflection of your good judgement rather than the size of your cahones, Fred. It really did seem to be a perfectly fine place to make an outside pass at the time... I really gotta stop doing that (yeah.. right...) King of the hairball outside pass, - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 20:40:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9H0eMK13445 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling2-28.cybercable.com [204.188.45.28]) by idalee.loudoun.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e9H0d2X04303 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EB9FF2.58512EE5@loudoun.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:40:18 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Reply-To: jmoran@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pete's Get-Off from Cycle Sport Day References: <59.187e2ce.271cf673@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian! Sean, you leave that freakin' bike alone! Just fix the damn thing and give it back. Randy BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/12/00 10:11:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Eternity23@XXXXXX writes: > > > Sean "Never crashed (yet)" Jordan > > > Sean - best suggestion I have for you. Go out to your garage. Right now. You > there? Good. Kick over your race bike. Just do it. Trust me :) > > Brian "Never wrecked all season but found a REALLY great spot to do it at the > GNF" Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 20:47:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mail.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9H0ljK13590 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id i.65.b0474fc (9492); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:46:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <65.b0474fc.271cfb7c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:46:52 EDT Subject: Re: Laura's GNF report-long To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dccwebsite@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 119 For the group: Bryan is being generous, it was fear that kept me from passing. LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 22:05:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9H251K14812 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-53.patriot.net [209.249.180.53]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9H24uQ18960; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:04:56 -0400 Message-ID: <39EBB361.982FB0AA@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:03:13 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hi Kids. References: <30.b77e6d1.271cf313@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bryan... We've never met but I've followed your race tales on the list. News of your crash had me worried - good to hear that you're alive and in one piece. Get well, stay well, and kudos to Laura. Bill been there, done that whilst boat racing, both crashing and attending to the wounded BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > Kushitani full leather suit ... $1500 > Bell M4 helmet .... $300 > Knox back protector ... $180 > Teknic Violator gloves ... $115 > Sidi Vertebrae boots ... $225 > > Hitting a haybail covered concrete wall at over 100mph... > ... rather painfull, truth be told. I don't recommend it. > > Thanks for everyone's wishes and prayers. I'm ok. > > As Laura mentioned... I lost the front end going down the hill that leads > onto to front stretch at Road Atlanta. This is not somewhere you want to > crash. Trust me on this one. You're in 5th gear on a 125gp machine, about to > shift to 6th, and travelling well over 100mph ... and there's only about 30 > feet of run-off before you hit the wall. Trust me again when I say you don't > slow down much in the aforementioned 30 feet. > > The resulting carnage left me with a severe concussion that I'm still feeling > (ever so slightly), and I'm battered and bruised all over. If it were not for > top-notch safety gear, I prob would not be typing this. > > While a disappointing way to end the season, as I was not able to run the > D-Superbike and Formula-2 races, I'm thankful to be in one piece. The bike is > repairable (it faired better than I) and I still won two regional > championships. For next year I'm buying a brand new 125gp machine (hopefully > a 2001 TZ125) and will attempt not to hit any walls or other immovable > objects.... oh, and win some more races :) > > I'd also like to publicly thank Laura for being such an amazing person. It's > horrible when someone crashes at the track. It's worse when you know them > and/or care about them. If you also have to see it, it pretty much just sucks > rocks. She took care of me for almost 2 days, making sure I didn't wander off > or end up face down somewhere because my head was completely unglued, and I > can't begin to thank her enough for that. I'd also like to thank Randy, > Steve, and the multitudes of other people who came by and checked up on me > this weekend. You don't realize just how many wonderfull friends you have at > the racetrack until it's you that's hurt, and it's a pretty awesome thing to > feel. > > Thanks again, > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 22:19:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mail.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9H2JLK14961 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 1.be.aaa8f1f (4250); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:18:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:18:54 EDT Subject: Re: Hi Kids. To: bhuson@XXXXXX, BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 By the way, as far as DC Cycles, were only Bryan, Randy and I at the GNF? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 22:37:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A565.pix.aol.com [152.163.165.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9H2bmK15260 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gruntled.office.aol.com (gruntled.office.aol.com [10.4.136.237]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25569; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by gruntled.office.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-DTI62-02) with ESMTP id WAA12432; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:37:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: gruntled.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:37:40 -0400 From: Dave Paper X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hi Kids. In-Reply-To: <30.b77e6d1.271cf313@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Kushitani full leather suit ... $1500 > Bell M4 helmet .... $300 > Knox back protector ... $180 > Teknic Violator gloves ... $115 > Sidi Vertebrae boots ... $225 > > Hitting a haybail covered concrete wall at over 100mph... > ... rather painfull, truth be told. I don't recommend it. > > Thanks for everyone's wishes and prayers. I'm ok. Indistructable pride ... priceless. For everything else, there's bandages. Glad to hear you are alright. It sux going down on a bike, whether it's at the race track (I haven't tried this yet) or on the street (ah, I'm part of the "those who will fall again" contingent). -dave '96 vulcan 1500 classic, the bike that's WAY too big for its rider. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 23:35:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r03.mail.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9H3ZnK16170 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.d3.b30bc8b (3706); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:35:37 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:35:36 EDT Subject: Re: Hi Kids. To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 BryanRoach@XXXXXX writes: << I lost the front end going down the hill that leads onto to front stretch at Road Atlanta. This is not somewhere you want to crash. Trust me on this one. >> Bryan, Man, I'm glad you are OK! I thought you crashed at turn 1...lots of run-off room there. Crashing in 12 with no serious injuries...whew! That is a hair-ball turn! I crashed at the GNF under the Nissan Bridge and watched my bike being destroyed as it flipped down the hill (and I'm lucky enough to have it on video)! That is a steep hill. I'm so glad you are OK! Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 16 23:46:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9H3jxK16325 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.6a.7849c47 (3706) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:45:46 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6a.7849c47.271d256a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:45:46 EDT Subject: Re: Hi Kids. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 BryanRoach@XXXXXX writes: << I'd also like to publicly thank Laura for being such an amazing person. It's horrible when someone crashes >> While we are on the subject of thanking people who take care of you after a crash, I'd like to thank Judy Lafollette (Duc 748) for taking care of my after my crash. I too had a concussion and don't remember the crash or the medivac helicopter ride to the hospital. According to others at the scene, Judy's help was above and beyond the call of duty! And she called me repeatedly while I was in the hospital to see how I was doing. What a great person! Judy, I can't thank you enough and I'm sorry it took me so long to publicly acknowledge all you did for me. You're the best! Thanks all for letting me tell this and thanks to all who sent the kind e-mails wishing me a quick recovery...what a great group! Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 07:08:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HB8bK24025 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9HB8Zj11151415 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EC332B.C014EF56@radix.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:08:27 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras References: <20001016221050.19087.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > apparently the disease is spreading....a friend of mine > just got 97 days in fairfax county for 97/55 on route 66. > you know who you are, punk! > > > It doesn't take much (just moving > > with the traffic flow) to hit 60 in the 40 mph zone where > > the National Airport camera is. > > isn't that a parkway? that'll be a federal citation, won't > it? i don't think they do the reckless thing like va. I've not (thankfully) had experience in Fed court for a ticket - how are the penalties different ? > also, these photo-violations are routinely just sent to the > vehicle owner, not to a specific licensed driver, correct? > that would seem to me to indicate that they aren't treated > as your typical traffic citations. > > > The District is proposing installing these things in a > > roving fashion where they would move them around to > > trouble spots. One councilmember (Carol Schwartz IIRC) > > suggested that they only assess fines, not points. Ain't > > that nice. Sounds like the primary motivation is > > revenue, not safety, > > i think we all knew that a while ago Of course, otherwise, there wouldn't be any such thing as fines & a ' point system' only jail time and / or community service. We let this crap get out of hand because we're lazy, & we know we can 'get off' with just stroking a check to the government, & all will be well. I'd like to see the fines go away, replaced by mandatory community service. Think about it - we'd all be a LOT more serious about defending ourselves in court. Instead of 1% fighting tickets, you'd have about 40% - which would bankrupt the court system in even the richest jurisdictions in the US in a matter of months. > > I repeat, these things are a menace, regardless of > > legalistic hairsplitting. Being able to confront one's > > accusers is a right established in common law > > as far back as the Magna Carta. > > that accuser (the box on a pole) seems to have > incontrovertible evidence. he's gonna have a photograph of > you and electronic verification of the speed/location of > your vehicle. what are you planning on asking him if given > the chance? 'excuse me, Mr. Camera, how did you positively identify the driver of the vehicle ?' 'Your Honor, would you please compel the camera to speak?' ... > > i hear your concerns...and i hate these things too. but i > think you've gotta come up with a better plan for getting > rid of them than claiming a 6th amendment right to > confront.....especially if all they want is our money. In most jurisdictions 'failure to positively' identify the vehicle operator on the witness stand is grounds for 'reasonable doubt' - for a criminal traffic offense. Sooner or later, an affected party will fight one of these on appeal & we'll see how the courts react... 'til then, I vote for a high powered rifle w/ scope... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 08:19:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HCIwK25029 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id HAA22375 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:18:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id HAA22365 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:18:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA09472; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001017081911.00a27f00@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:21:06 -0400 To: "Laura Granato" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Laura's GNF report-long In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Relieved he's okay, but I must admit I got a giggle out of the following... That's our Brian!!! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Brian was really out of it, and only >had the following phrases and questions that he repeated, NOT JOKING, at >least 150 times each: > >can I see my helmet? >how do my leathers look? >did anyone see what happened? >did anyone take pictures? >what place was I in when I crashed? >what turn was it in? >and as randy said....was it spectacular? > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 08:30:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HCUfK25259 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20693 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2000 12:30:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20001017123037.20692.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [153.2.247.10] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:30:37 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:30:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Laura's GNF report-long To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just an FYI Laura, not everyone watches motorcycling racing to see the crashes. I watch to see the awesomeness of two wheel speed. I go to NASCAR races to see crashes. Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E --- Laura Granato wrote: Many people go to the races to see crashes, and I admit, at many times I felt that was the most exciting part of racing. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 08:34:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HCY9K25269 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24402 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2000 12:34:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20001017123406.24401.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [153.2.247.10] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:34:06 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:34:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Hi Kids. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: gpyne@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Me too, we met prior to the relaxed ride in September. Glad to hear you're up and around ok. Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E --- Bill Huson wrote: > Bryan... > > We've never met but I've followed your race tales on > the list. News of your > crash had me worried - good to hear that you're > alive and in one piece. Get > well, stay well, and kudos to Laura. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 08:35:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HCZvK25350 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001017123550.3030.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.186] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:35:50 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:35:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: Dave Yates Cc: dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > that accuser (the box on a pole) seems to have > > incontrovertible evidence. he's gonna have a > > photograph of you and electronic verification of the > > speed/location of your vehicle. what are you planning > > on asking him if given the chance? > > 'excuse me, Mr. Camera, how did you positively identify > the driver of the vehicle ?' 'Your Honor, would you > please compel the camera to speak?' ... but they are able to fine a car owner for having his car parked illegally (regardless of whether it was the owner who parked it), just as they are able to fine a car owner for having his car in the intersection of a red light. same goes for speeding. they don't need the driver, because they aren't charging him....they're only charging the owner with allowing the improper use. and they're only fining him/her at that. that's how they get away with not needing to prove some essential elements that would be required in an ordinary case. > In most jurisdictions 'failure to positively' identify > the vehicle operator on the witness stand is grounds for > 'reasonable doubt' - for a criminal traffic offense. i think we've covered this.....these aren't criminal traffic offenses; they are civil fines. :( > Sooner or later, an affected party will fight > one of these on appeal & we'll see how the courts > react... 'til then, I > vote for a high powered rifle w/ scope... i'm in i mean, uh, yeah....somebody should take care of that! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 08:37:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HCb9K25360 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va8-50.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.242]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA27954; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EC73A0.F7DBC005@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:43:29 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras References: <20001016221050.19087.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> <39EC332B.C014EF56@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Four words: Kill all the gatsos! Dave Yates wrote: > > one of these on appeal & we'll see how the courts react... 'til then, I > vote for a high powered rifle w/ scope... From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 08:40:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mail.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HCehK25384 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id i.4d.22ba39d (16782); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:40:28 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4d.22ba39d.271da2bb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:40:27 EDT Subject: Re: Laura's GNF report-long To: dccwebsite@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 104 In a message dated 10/16/00 7:31:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dccwebsite@XXXXXX writes: > I had my camera in > hand, but the last thing I was thinking of was snapping photos as I saw him > go down. > > And that's how I know she cares about me. :) Me... I would have hit the autodrive and hoped I had a fresh roll loaded. ;) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 09:42:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HDgTK26370 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 15657 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2000 06:42:18 -0700 Date: 17 Oct 2000 06:42:18 -0700 Message-ID: <20001017134218.15656.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 17 Oct 2000 13:42:18 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 17 Oct 2000 06:42:18 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: m_rosenstock@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: Laura's GNF report-long > > Just an FYI Laura, not everyone watches motorcycling > racing to see the crashes. to be honest...that wasn't really the whole point of my post...This past week was really emotional and upsetting for me, and all of the riders who know Brian. I can't believe that with all the information my post was packed with, I'm sad to see that this is what you chose to comment on. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 09:58:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HDwEK26632 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.82.190a702 (15877) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web25.aolmail.aol.com (web25.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.1]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:58:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:58:05 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Who owns the John Deere bike again? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <82.190a702.271db4ed@aol.com> I was heading to Springfield Mall last night and passed you. Gave you a head nod and then recognized the bike. The only name that came to mind as the owner was Leon but, I wasn't sure. Do you commute in that every night? You have my sympathies. Scooter (15 minute walk to work) From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 09:59:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HDxfK26642 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA32749; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:02:31 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "LAURA GRANATO" , Cc: Subject: RE: Laura's GNF report-long - Crashing Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:03:18 -0400 Message-ID: <005001c03843$0065a6c0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <20001017134218.15656.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Importance: Normal I must say in all fairness, as much as I was riveted to your post, the first thing I thought to myself was the same thing...I don't go to see crashes. I don't like to see the physical pain that is inflicted, nor do I want to think about the monetary loss the rider must incur. I think my wife thinks I do go for the crashes, and I take issue with it, because it's hard not to look at what's happening, and I'm a camera junkie and have to take photos. I love a good clean race with no mishaps. So I think I know where Matthew was coming from. I don't think he was belittling the issue at hand. Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 9:42 AM > To: m_rosenstock@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Laura's GNF report-long > > > > > > > Just an FYI Laura, not everyone watches motorcycling > > racing to see the crashes. > > > to be honest...that wasn't really the whole point of my > post...This past week was really emotional and upsetting for me, > and all of the riders who know Brian. I can't believe that with > all the information my post was packed with, I'm sad to see that > this is what you chose to comment on. > > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 10:00:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HE0eK26747 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 16026 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2000 07:00:33 -0700 Date: 17 Oct 2000 07:00:33 -0700 Message-ID: <20001017140033.16025.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 17 Oct 2000 14:00:33 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 17 Oct 2000 07:00:33 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dccwebsite@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: Laura's GNF report-long On Tue, 17 October 2000, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > I had my camera in > > hand, but the last thing I was thinking of was snapping photos as I saw him > > go down. > > > > > > And that's how I know she cares about me. :) ummm...ummm...i plead the fifth on that one ;-) > > Me... I would have hit the autodrive and hoped I had a fresh roll loaded. oh really? we'll just see about that next year when my ass is out on the track. ;-) L ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 10:06:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h011.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HE66K26839 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 8133 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2000 07:05:41 -0700 Date: 17 Oct 2000 07:05:41 -0700 Message-ID: <20001017140541.8132.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 17 Oct 2000 14:05:41 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 17 Oct 2000 07:05:41 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: fj1100@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: m_rosenstock@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: RE: Laura's GNF report-long - Crashing On Tue, 17 October 2000, "Gary Foreman" wrote: > > I must say in all fairness, as much as I was riveted to your post, the first > thing I thought to myself was the same thing...I don't go to see crashes. I > don't like to see the physical pain that is inflicted, nor do I want to > think about the monetary loss the rider must incur. > > I totally agree with you both to a point. I think that people who understand racing can enjoy a race without a crash. I absolutely can. But people who don't really understand it seem to enjoy the crashes. That's all I'm saying. Forgive me for being pissy...it was a long week I guess I would rather just be reading the nice posts than stuff like this. Sorry. L ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 10:09:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HE9aK26859 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9HE97j10137160 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EC5D7A.ACA94D7C@radix.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:08:58 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Laura's GNF report-long References: <20001017134218.15656.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > to be honest...that wasn't really the whole point of my post...This past week was really emotional and upsetting for me, and all of the riders who know Brian. Despite not knowing Roach personally, I think all of us breathed a huge sigh of relief on finding out he was ok... > I can't believe that with all the information my post was packed with, I'm sad to see that this is what you chose to > comment on. I don't think there was ill intent ; but it's difficult for those that aren't deeply involved in racing or track work to *fully* understand the implications of a wipe out. I've open tracked my Cobra several times (At Summit), and having participated in ... contests ... of both an appropriate and inappropriate venue, you simply cannot comprehend what's involved when someone wipes out until you've been involved in it yourself. I've met some great folks at the track, & some butt heads, but I wouldn't hesitate to help any one of them in a pinch. I stuffed a C4 'vette on the Jefferson circuit last year, got black flagged the next lap. That driver let me use his trailer to fix my car :-) I've come to realize that you often put a WHOLE LOT of work into your racing efforts, & when it goes south, it's a very bad feeling. tracking is fun, but very dangerous, a person can severely injure or kill themselves as well as lose several thousand dollars worth of machinery & hours upon hours upon hours of hard work on their machines. Casual spectators generally don't have the appreciation for that potential loss. Even when Fogarty did his lawn-dart impression, my 1st thoughts were 'damn, I hope he's ok'... Racing is serious business, let's be glad Roach is ok - and that indeed, it was spectacular :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 10:11:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HEBPK26883 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9HEBMj11401845 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EC5E01.8A15B884@radix.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:11:13 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Laura's GNF report-long References: <20001017140033.16025.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > Me... I would have hit the autodrive and hoped I had a fresh roll loaded. > > oh really? we'll just see about that next year when my ass is out on the track. ;-) Ah, but let's hope Roach has the good sense to have the film & camera at the ready when it really counts .... when you (hopefully scantily clad) butt is getting into & out of you leathers :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 10:21:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HELPK27158 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16766 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2000 14:21:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20001017142110.16765.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.151.168.42] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:21:10 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:21:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: RE: Laura's GNF report-long - Crashing To: LAURA GRANATO , fj1100@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I apologize if it came across wrong. I'm very happy to hear that Bryan is ok and that you were able to help him throughout the weekend. I went down on the street about 6 years ago and it scared the crap out of me. My riding partner was more freaked out than I was because he saw it in his rearview and looked worse than it was. It took a little time for me to get my bearings and let my father know I dropped his bike. Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Tue, 17 October 2000, "Gary Foreman" wrote: > > > > > I must say in all fairness, as much as I was > riveted to your post, the first > > thing I thought to myself was the same thing...I > don't go to see crashes. I > > don't like to see the physical pain that is > inflicted, nor do I want to > > think about the monetary loss the rider must > incur. > > > > > > I totally agree with you both to a point. I think > that people who understand racing can enjoy a race > without a crash. I absolutely can. But people who > don't really understand it seem to enjoy the > crashes. That's all I'm saying. Forgive me for > being pissy...it was a long week I guess I would > rather just be reading the nice posts than stuff > like this. Sorry. > > L > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 10:38:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f105.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.105]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HEcYK27410 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:38:15 -0700 Received: from 151.200.109.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:38:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.94] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fite VI stories Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:38:15 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2000 14:38:15.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2334C20:01C03847] Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 07:15:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" The results page for the Feast in the East is now up: http://automated-design.com/fitevi/ Looks like our own Dale Horstman made 2nd place!! (and this after he had been complaining of a cold and how he might not ride as aggressively...) Congrats Dale, and to all the other DC-Cycles people who participated. --> Indeed, way to go Dale. Out of 90 registered riders, and just --> under 60 who finished, you prevailed to a top 3 finish. Very well. Ride stories???? --> Here's mine: --> - Left at 5:47am --> - froze my nads off until 11am --> - rode the living piss out of my VTR on KY backroads (YEEHAW) --> - DNF'd 1:40 minutes late (arrival at 6:30pm) --> - oh well, just another ride, but a damned fun one. --> --> I am discovering (the hard way) that DNF'ing is full of valuable --> lessons. Ones I'd actually pay for to avoid the notoriety. Out of --> the four rallies I've participated in thus far, I've DNF'd twice. --> The first one taught me to make damned sure to keep my records --> straight. This past one taught me (or rather reminded me) to pay --> attention to the normal speed settings on Street Atlas 6.0. I got --> greedy with points thinking I could out-run the anticipated speeds. --> I don't know WHAT I was thinking ;-) --> --> It was very cool seeing other dc-cyclers join this rally. I believe --> VA made up the larger portion of the field, with a goodly number --> coming out of the DC area. --> --> Todd _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 10:44:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rmx452-mta.mail.com (rmx452-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HEifK27529 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web176-ec (web176-ec.mail.com [165.251.32.151]) by rmx452-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA26722 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <381964598.971793862082.JavaMail.root@web176-ec> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:44:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Rittershausen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-WM-FaxTo: X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 192.5.27.135 Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that in order for the ticket to be enforceable, they need to get a shot of the driver's face - they have to be able to prove who was behind the wheel, otherwise you get "Gee, I loaned my car to a friend for the day." How likely is it for a camera to get a good shot through a helmet facesheild? Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 10:45:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HEjVK27601 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 17050 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2000 07:45:18 -0700 Date: 17 Oct 2000 07:45:18 -0700 Message-ID: <20001017144518.17049.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 17 Oct 2000 14:45:18 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 17 Oct 2000 07:45:18 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: m_rosenstock@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: fj1100@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: RE: Laura's GNF report-long - Crashing On Tue, 17 October 2000, Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > > I apologize if it came across wrong. I'm very happy to > hear that Bryan is ok and that you were able to help > him throughout the weekend. I'm sorry if I interpreted your remark the wrong way...let's just say I'm a little stressed out still and need to unwind. ;-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 10:53:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HErnK27697 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4473 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2000 15:06:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20001017150642.4472.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.151.168.42] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:06:42 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:06:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just got a red-light ticket in Baltimore. They don't care who is driving, just pay the fine. I was amazed at how clear my bike's license plate was in the photo. Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E --- Todd Rittershausen wrote: > Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem > to recall that in order > for the ticket to be enforceable, they need to get a > shot of the driver's > face - they have to be able to prove who was behind > the wheel, otherwise you > get "Gee, I loaned my car to a friend for the day." > How likely is it for a > camera to get a good shot through a helmet > facesheild? > > Todd > > Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy > `83 V65 Magna - Falcon > `80 CX-500C > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 10:56:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HEuDK27710 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001017145606.28972.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.186] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:56:06 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:56:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: Todd Rittershausen , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Rittershausen wrote: > Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to > recall that in order > for the ticket to be enforceable, they need to get a shot > of the driver's > face - they have to be able to prove who was behind the > wheel, otherwise you > get "Gee, I loaned my car to a friend for the day." How > likely is it for a > camera to get a good shot through a helmet facesheild? nope....red-light cameras take a picture of the car in the intersection and show a close-up of the license plate. they want there money from the owner, regardless of who was driving. the only ways out are probably to prove the vehicle was stolen or that the tags were. i fear that the days of being able to loan your vehicle to a friend may be ending because of this shit. > Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy okay....you can tell us what "Hat-Guy" means anytime now! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 11:05:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rottweiler.cwusa.com (rottweiler-dmz.cwusa.com [146.135.88.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HF5sK27956 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com (us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com [146.135.85.143]) by rottweiler.cwusa.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11738 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by us-cwi-exc-a10.cwi.cablew.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) id <42T8YLSF>; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:05:35 -0400 Message-ID: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E903820216@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: FitE VI Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:05:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" First off, I didn't win anything (big congrats Dale and Tracy), but I did finish (unlike a few other DC-Cyclers ;-) (C'mon, JohnK, 'fess up) It was a learning experience. I knew I wasn't good at following instructions and riding, but my handicap is a whole order of magnitude worse than I thought. Suffice it to say, I got hopelessly lost and ended up bagging most of my planned route. Some of the other things I learned: 1) It was really cold and when your heated gear (borrowed Gerbing jacket) stops working, it's even colder than that. Did I mention the ice I scraped off my seat? 2) When I'm cold, I don't think well. Parking on that hill was a bad idea. I knew when I put the sidestand down and it kept going over, that I was in trouble. Either it would just fall over or I would never be about to right it. It didn't fall over, but I couldn't right it. I had to wait for someone else to show up to help. This car parks next to me. Oh goody, I think. And then I see the driver is a rather frail-looking older woman (even older than me, maybe). I ask for assistance and she obliges. I thank her and ride off. 3) I may not be cut out for this sort of riding. My route ended up being only 450 miles or so, and by the time I got back, I was exhausted. Certainly not my longest day by several hundred miles, but the most tiring. The organizers get my thanks. They did a great job. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 11:14:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cdzmdimsout.circleserve.net ([205.229.56.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HFEfK28064 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cdzmdimsout.circleserve.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:14:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Kaston, Michelle" To: "'Todd Rittershausen '" , "'DC Cycles '" Subject: RE: GW pkwy cameras Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:08:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain uh.... could someone correct me if I'm wrong too.. but I thought all the pictures were taken only from the front of the vehicle. Last time I checked *my* bike didn't have a license plate there. How would they be able to identify the bike in the first place, regardless of helmet? -----Original Message----- From: Todd Rittershausen To: DC Cycles Sent: 10/17/00 10:44 AM Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that in order for the ticket to be enforceable, they need to get a shot of the driver's face - they have to be able to prove who was behind the wheel, otherwise you get "Gee, I loaned my car to a friend for the day." How likely is it for a camera to get a good shot through a helmet facesheild? Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 11:23:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HFNZK28224 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26821 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2000 15:23:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20001017152330.26820.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.151.168.41] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:23:30 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:23:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: RE: GW pkwy cameras To: "'DC Cycles '" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii They actually take three photos for the Red Light cameras. First, you prior to the intersection with the light already red. Next, you after the red light. Finally, a close up of your rear plate. All pix are taken from behind. Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E --- "Kaston, Michelle" wrote: > uh.... could someone correct me if I'm wrong too.. > but I thought all the > pictures were taken only from the front of the > vehicle. Last time I checked > *my* bike didn't have a license plate there. How > would they be able to > identify the bike in the first place, regardless of > helmet? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Rittershausen > To: DC Cycles > Sent: 10/17/00 10:44 AM > Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras > > Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem > to recall that in > order > for the ticket to be enforceable, they need to get a > shot of the > driver's > face - they have to be able to prove who was behind > the wheel, otherwise > you > get "Gee, I loaned my car to a friend for the day." > How likely is it > for a > camera to get a good shot through a helmet > facesheild? > > Todd > > Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy > `83 V65 Magna - Falcon > `80 CX-500C > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 11:34:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HFYXK28385 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22329 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:34:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:34:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: "'DC Cycles '" Subject: RE: GW pkwy cameras In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Kaston, Michelle wrote: > Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:08:10 -0400 > From: "Kaston, Michelle" > To: 'Todd Rittershausen ' , > 'DC Cycles ' > Subject: RE: GW pkwy cameras > > uh.... could someone correct me if I'm wrong too.. but I thought all the > pictures were taken only from the front of the vehicle. Last time I checked > *my* bike didn't have a license plate there. How would they be able to > identify the bike in the first place, regardless of helmet? There's a camera at the 2nd to last stoplighted intersection on Rt 50 going out of Arlington that is very clearly /behind/ any vehicle that would be going through the redlight. The parkway cameras are also situated such that they take a picture of the rear of the vehicle. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 11:49:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HFnhK28633 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001017154936.3844.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:49:36 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:49:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > nope....red-light cameras take a picture of the car > in the > intersection and show a close-up of the license > plate. > they want there money from the owner, regardless of > who was > driving. the only ways out are probably to prove > the > vehicle was stolen or that the tags were. that's correct...i got a red-light ticket in rosslyn near the USA today building. Doesn't matter who drives your car.... it's the person that it's register to. No points... just fine around 50 dollars. The ticket includes two pictures - one of zoomed in on your tag, the other zoomed out pic of the violation. Since the latter pic didn't actually show my wife's car... the ticket was dismissed with just a phone call to the courts. But that was in jan... and they still don't have the paperwork worked out - keep sending me notices and threatening to suspend my wifes lic. But the lady at the courthouse keeps saying "don't worry it's just a mis-communication between them and whomever owns the cameras.." i think she said lockheed martin. i would like to ride on top of a semi with a sludge hammer and give a good wack at those stupid cameras! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 11:51:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cdzmdimsout.circleserve.net ([205.229.56.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HFpYK28712 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cdzmdimsout.circleserve.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:51:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Kaston, Michelle" To: "'Dan Brown '" , "''DC Cycles ' '" Subject: RE: GW pkwy cameras Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:45:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Kaston, Michelle wrote: > Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:08:10 -0400 > From: "Kaston, Michelle" > To: 'Todd Rittershausen ' , > 'DC Cycles ' > Subject: RE: GW pkwy cameras > > uh.... could someone correct me if I'm wrong too.. but I thought all the > pictures were taken only from the front of the vehicle. Last time I checked > *my* bike didn't have a license plate there. How would they be able to > identify the bike in the first place, regardless of helmet? There's a camera at the 2nd to last stoplighted intersection on Rt 50 going out of Arlington that is very clearly /behind/ any vehicle that would be going through the redlight. The parkway cameras are also situated such that they take a picture of the rear of the vehicle. that sucks! well, i guess i just have to stick to speeding down the country roads near where i live and keep away from the big, evil city where "the man" is constantly trying to keep me down! From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 11:58:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HFwRK28809 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9HFwMj11081519 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EC7714.DA55894D@radix.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:58:12 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras References: <20001017154936.3844.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Ehlert wrote: > i think she said lockheed > martin. I know LM does DC cameras and they get a percentage. buttwipes. > > i would like to ride on top of a semi with a sludge > hammer and give a good wack at those stupid cameras! Matthew, Matthew, Matthew... Right tool for the job.... In case you miss, you want to be able to make a follow up swing. *sigh* That's why you want the Louisville Slugger, handle wrapped. You have to have the correct weight selection as well, the right balance between weight (for impact) & low mass for swing speed. I find that the 36 - 38 oz. works just spledidly.. :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 12:00:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.79.44.168] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HG0KK28894 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:bergman@biber [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id e9HG0E109281 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:00:14 -0700 Message-Id: <200010171600.e9HG0E109281@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: bergman@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:43:29 PDT." <39EC73A0.F7DBC005@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:00:14 -0700 Here's a really question on this list: What's _wrong_ with red-light cameras? While I think that many of the speed limit laws are wrong and the enforcement and penalties are wrong, I can't think of any good reason in normal life* for running a red light. If you're speeding on the street and can't control your vehicle enough to stop at a red light, then you _are_ driving recklessly. Sure, there are some potential issues about mis-identification, but I doubt that they cameras are photographing vehicles that don't actually go through the lights. * Possible "exceptions": medical emergency being chased by someone emergency vehicle behind you Mark -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 12:10:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HG9xK29024 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001017160951.8801.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.186] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:09:51 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:09:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > i would like to ride on top of a semi with a sludge > > hammer and give a good wack at those stupid cameras! > > Matthew, Matthew, Matthew... > Right tool for the job.... In case you miss, you want > to be able to make a follow up swing. *sigh* That's why > you want the Louisville Slugger, handle wrapped. You have > to have the correct weight selection as well, the right > balance between weight (for impact) & low mass for > swing speed. I find that the 36 - 38 oz. works just > spledidly.. with the amount of money these things bring in, it'll be repaired within hours. i could see them reconsidering this method of enforcement/revenue-generation if there was widespread, organized vandalism. of course it would need to be called something much less devious. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 12:11:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HGBdK29037 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9HGBZj11008925 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EC7A2E.8FD20048@radix.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:11:26 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras References: <200010171600.e9HG0E109281@merctech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Here's a really question on this list: > > What's _wrong_ with red-light cameras? Is this a trick question ? > > While I think that many of the speed limit laws are wrong and the enforcement and penalties are wrong, I can't think of any good reason in normal life* for running a red light. If you're speeding on the street and can't control your vehicle enough to stop at a red light, then you _are_ driving recklessly. Sure, there are some potential issues about mis-identification, but I doubt that they cameras are photographing vehicles that don't actually go through the lights. > > * Possible "exceptions": > medical emergency > being chased by someone > emergency vehicle behind you How 'bout a mis timed light ? IIRC, in MD it's something to the effect of 55 mph - 6 second yellow, 45-50 - 5 second, 40 - 45 - 4 second etc.... If the light is not sychronized, or goes out of sequence or if there's a power outage & they're flashing. What if a cop in the intersection directs you through the light against the red ? This doesn't even get into the 'who's driving' issue, or the 'confront your accuser' issue etc... Red light running is certainly on my list of not to do, but lose the damn cameras. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 12:13:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HGDAK29113 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id LAA20081 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id LAA20074 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA14285; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001017121140.00a34760@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:15:15 -0400 To: bergman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras In-Reply-To: <200010171600.e9HG0E109281@merctech.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You know, I was going to post something along the same lines. I totally disagree with the speed monitoring devices and feel that those infringe upon my rights, etc... BUT I totally AGREE WITH the red light cameras. This is mainly because I came VERY close to being smashed by a car running a red light one time on my bike. Since then, I always pause before going through an intersection. The car literally SLAMMED on its brakes when it stupidly realized - DUH - the light is red and there's a bike in front of me!!!!! : ( I was saved simply by the fact that I didn't gun it across the intersection. Also, my husband got smashed by a red light runner before we met, and probably would have died if he had been one second faster with the gas pedal. If the red light cameras keep people from running red lights, sorry, but I'm all for them. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:00 AM 10/17/00 -0700, bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > >Here's a really question on this list: > > What's _wrong_ with red-light cameras? > >While I think that many of the speed limit laws are wrong and the >enforcement and penalties are wrong, I can't think of any good reason in >normal life* for running a red light. If you're speeding on the street and >can't control your vehicle enough to stop at a red light, then you _are_ >driving recklessly. Sure, there are some potential issues about >mis-identification, but I doubt that they cameras are photographing vehicles >that don't actually go through the lights. > > * Possible "exceptions": > medical emergency > being chased by someone > emergency vehicle behind you > >Mark > >-- >Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic >'94 Yamaha GTS1000A >bergman@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 12:14:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HGEEK29123 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9HGEAj11223572 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EC7AC8.81F2AFC9@radix.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:14:00 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras References: <20001017160951.8801.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > Matthew, Matthew, Matthew... > > Right tool for the job.... In case you miss, you want > > to be able to make a follow up swing. *sigh* That's why > > you want the Louisville Slugger, handle wrapped. You > have > > to have the correct weight selection as well, the right > > balance between weight (for impact) & low mass for > > swing speed. I find that the 36 - 38 oz. works just > > spledidly.. > > with the amount of money these things bring in, it'll be > repaired within hours. i could see them reconsidering this > method of enforcement/revenue-generation if there was > widespread, organized vandalism. of course it would need > to be called something much less devious. Don't be too sure, there Tom... It worked for the DC parking meters for years. That used to be a huge scam, people would prowl the city for meters, drive up in a van, rip them up, toss 'em in the van & boogie. It got so severe, that the city was losing millions... It would be called civil disobedience... > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 12:15:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HGFYK29212 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9310 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2000 16:15:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20001017161525.9309.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:15:25 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:15:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Who owns the John Deere bike again? To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes, I commute to work everyday, but not always in traffic like that. Last night was a little worse than normal because of the hundred (or some number like that) family march. I ride my bike 60 miles everyday, I don't have to worry about finding time to ride, 'cause I can take it to work. I like to ride, any speed, anytime, anywhere. Leon. --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > I was heading to Springfield Mall last night and > passed you. Gave you a head > nod and then recognized the bike. The only name > that came to mind as the > owner was Leon but, I wasn't sure. Do you commute > in that every night? You > have my sympathies. > > Scooter (15 minute walk to work) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 12:26:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HGQEK29314 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001017162605.5221.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.186] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:26:05 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:26:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Here's a really question on this list: > > > > What's _wrong_ with red-light cameras? they lead to cameras everywhere on the roads....the ol' "slippery slope" thang -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 12:28:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HGSkK29398 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24084; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:28:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:28:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: bergman@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras In-Reply-To: <200010171600.e9HG0E109281@merctech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:00:14 -0700 > From: bergman@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras > > > Here's a really question on this list: > > What's _wrong_ with red-light cameras? In the words of Ben Franklin, in his Historical Review of Pennsylvania, although he wasn't probably talking about stoplights: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. " These cameras amount to, in many people's eyes, giving up the essential liberty of being able to live their lives without continual monitoring by a government entity. Imagine if, instead of a "film" camera, these boxes had a digital or video camera in side. Imagine then that they've been installed at every intersection, everywhere and along strategic locations on the highway. Now, imagine that, for whatever reason, this network of cameras came to be controlled by an evil entity that wished to monitor and oppress the citizenry, who, by the way, decided that guns were bad (mmmKay) and so didn't have a well armed militia. ANYHOW... We live in a free country, so this could never happen. Ob Moto? Bike is done, still waiting for me to come pick it up... -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 12:33:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HGXfK29498 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9HGXbj10857441 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EC7F57.8D857062@radix.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:33:27 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras References: <4.1.20001017121140.00a34760@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette Zell wrote: > > You know, I was going to post something along the same lines. > > I totally disagree with the speed monitoring devices and feel that those > infringe upon my rights, etc... > > BUT I totally AGREE WITH the red light cameras. > > This is mainly because I came VERY close to being smashed by a car running > a red light one time on my bike. Since then, I always pause before going > through an intersection. I'll go you one farther, I got hit by someone in a similar situation, fortunately I was in a truck. That said, and I mean absolutely no flame here, but it *is* your responsibility to verify *before* proceeding through an intersection that it is, in fact, clear - right of way or not. > The car literally SLAMMED on its brakes when it > stupidly realized - DUH - the light is red and there's a bike in front of > me!!!!! : ( > I was saved simply by the fact that I didn't gun it across the intersection. Would the camera have saved you? if it were an out of towner ? I don't like red light runners either, so, take the cops OFF speed (revenue) enforcement & put them at intersections & tell them to nail every single red light runner. > > Also, my husband got smashed by a red light runner before we met, and > probably would have died if he had been one second faster with the gas pedal. I can't count as high as the number of times some BDC has committed a potentially fatal act in my vicinity. *sigh*. That's what traffic cops are *supposed* to be taking care of... keeping BDC's from causing harm to others... > > If the red light cameras keep people from running red lights, sorry, but > I'm all for them. I certainly won't dispute the 'deterrent effect' because, if I know there's a red light camera, I'm damn careful not to get caught running it... I just think that task is better taken care of by cops. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 12:44:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HGiXK29675 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id LAA23829 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:44:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id LAA23821 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:44:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA14937; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001017124341.00a3e620@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:46:39 -0400 To: Dave Yates From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <39EC7F57.8D857062@radix.net> References: <4.1.20001017121140.00a34760@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I don't think that would stand up in a court of law. "But sir, she didn't LOOK for me before I ran the light and hit her! It's her fault!" ...and unfortunately, there simply are not enough cops to patrol every single red light intersection we have, or fortunately, depending on the way you look at it. That just isn't going to happen. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > That said, and I mean absolutely no flame >here, but it *is* your responsibility to verify *before* proceeding >through an intersection that it is, in fact, clear - right of way or >not. > That's what traffic cops are *supposed* to be taking care of... keeping BDC's from causing harm to others... >-- >'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' >Dave Yates >'97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' >SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA >http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ >Systems Programmer >(301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 12:51:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HGpJK29823 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9HGpGj10985265 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EC837A.4DD09268@radix.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:51:06 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras References: <4.1.20001017121140.00a34760@XXXXXX> <4.1.20001017124341.00a3e620@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette Zell wrote: > > I don't think that would stand up in a court of law. > > "But sir, she didn't LOOK for me before I ran the light and hit her! It's > her fault!" You're certainly on the right side of the argument. I'd guess that law is for situations of emergency only... > > ...and unfortunately, there simply are not enough cops to patrol every > single red light intersection we have, or fortunately, depending on the way > you look at it. That just isn't going to happen. But, there *would be* if they weren't manning radar/lidar/guns/vascar etc... collecting money for the state... There's a reason they do that, it's easy money... That's why cops call it 'Poaching'... Alexandria seems to have enough money for cops in the intersections in Old Town (Peoples Republic of) during rush hour. Amazing how polite everyone is there... OTOH, Alexandria has more than it's share of cameras too... :-( -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 12:53:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HGrRK29833 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:53:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200010171253.AA159842870@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Dan Brown >> What's _wrong_ with red-light cameras? > >In the words of Ben Franklin, in his Historical Review of Pennsylvania, >although he wasn't probably talking about stoplights: > >"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety >deserve neither liberty nor safety. " Good quote. What do you think Franklin would say about people deliberately driving 4,000 lb. vehicle through red lights, through cross traffic? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 12:59:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HGwrK29930 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9HGwlj11136619 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EC853D.733D0D8A@radix.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:58:37 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras References: <200010171253.AA159842870@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > >"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety > >deserve neither liberty nor safety. " > > Good quote. What do you think Franklin would say about people deliberately driving 4,000 lb. vehicle through red lights, through cross traffic? He'd say "OUCH!" Just my opinion... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 13:02:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HH2jK00138 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id NAA05698; Tue, 17 Oct 1972 13:08:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1972 13:08:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Tom Gimer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras In-Reply-To: <20001017162605.5221.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > > bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > Here's a really question on this list: > > > > > > What's _wrong_ with red-light cameras? > > they lead to cameras everywhere on the roads....the ol' > "slippery slope" thang > And off the roads: streets (common in England), stores (all over), homes (babysitters beware). How about a camera keeping watch on your new bike while it's parked? That said, how to reconcile loathing of surveillance with fear of red-light runners, robbers, etc? And, back to automatic red-light cameras, how do they differ in principle from, say, a cop with a camera at the same intersection? --garcia "Get the facts first. You can always distort them later." Mark Twain From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 13:10:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HHA5K00231 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-211-62.s62.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.211.62] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13laFV-00067V-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:10:02 -0400 Message-ID: <014c01c0385c$9985bfc0$3ed33ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <20001017162605.5221.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:02:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 As a practical matter I have less of a problem with the red light cameras, yet I still object on civil liberties grounds. The rise of the whole "camera" culture is a bit threatening and an attempt to address problems with heavy handed high-tech fixes. The optimist in me wants to believe this is a passing fad. Never underestimate the ability of politicians to fall for quick fixes, especially when there's money to be made by contractors who install the cameras. I suspect we've all had close encounters of the dumb-ass kind with red light runners, yet I'm not aware of any hard data that suggests cameras are reducing red light violations at _all_ intersections. Make no mistake about it: the main reason for installing the cameras, in DC at least, is revenue. Habitual light runners will just keep paying the camera fines, since they will never have to stand before the judge and explain why their licenses should not be revoked for their bad driving habits. If red light running is such a problem then perhaps a reallocation of police resources is in order. Station a real live cop at the intersection with a camera, who will motion for violators to pull over. Seems to work near the Capitol Grounds. I pass behind the House offices every day on the mc during my commute. I see the USCP officers who direct traffic pull people over and they read them the riot act for all sorts of driving missteps, including nearly creaming a pedestrian once. Some get written up too. BTW the camera at the intersection of Duke St. and Taylor Run in Alexandria is a fake, an empty box. PW in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Gimer To: Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 12:26 PM Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras > > bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > Here's a really question on this list: > > > > > > What's _wrong_ with red-light cameras? > > they lead to cameras everywhere on the roads....the ol' > "slippery slope" thang From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 13:17:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HHHYK00382 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26029 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:17:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:17:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras In-Reply-To: <200010171253.AA159842870@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Chris Norloff wrote: > Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:53:22 -0400 > From: Chris Norloff > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Dan Brown > > >> What's _wrong_ with red-light cameras? > > > >In the words of Ben Franklin, in his Historical Review of Pennsylvania, > >although he wasn't probably talking about stoplights: > > > >"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety > >deserve neither liberty nor safety. " > > Good quote. What do you think Franklin would say about people >deliberately driving 4,000 lb. vehicle through red lights, through cross >traffic? I think he'd be appalled that people were driving 4000lb vehicles when a smaller, lighter 400lb 2 wheeled alternative was available. :-) And, I also think he'd also be appalled that people wouldn't pay attention to a red light, but, rather, would pay attention to an automated system to hand out tickets. I think he'd be sickened by the fact that reasonable guidlines/laws had been written to address simple things like, STOPPING to allow other traffic go, but were being ignored, except where they could inflict financial damage. I don't think that he'd like greed being a more powerful motivator than respect for other people's lives. Old Ben strikes me as someone who'd yield right-of-way, even if he was on his way to start a revolution. Ob moto -- I think I found a ride to pick up the bike :-) -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 14:35:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HIZpK01632 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrash [192.9.200.199] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:34:37 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:34:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c03868$f0e41e90$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 Generally, I'd be totally against any kind of traffic enforcement cameras. But, my commute up Ga. Ave. from the beltway to Olney (worst through Weaton) has changed my mind. I've had people behind me pull around me because I was going to stop at a (very) red light and speed through from the next lane (happens at least weekly). If they put a camera at the intersection of Ga. and Forest Glenn, they would collect a fortune. Not to mention the new lights at the bottom of the beltway ramps. I'm amazed when there isn't a bashed up cage there on my way home. It's truly F'in ridiculous. I don't think I've seen everyone stop on red at some of those intersections in weeks. If my huge F150 can stop at these intersections without difficulty, I don't see why the guy three car lengths back in the next lane would even think about going through. But they do and they're f***ing it up for everyone. Unfortunately, the justification for the cameras exists. Now speeding cameras on the other hand ... speed doesn't cause accidents - red light runners do (and often if my commute is any indication) Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 15:03:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HJ3MK02032 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9HJ3Dj11004721 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39ECA267.80BEE04F@radix.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:03:03 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras References: <000101c03868$f0e41e90$c7c809c0@roadrash> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > > Generally, I'd be totally against any kind of traffic enforcement cameras. > > But, my commute up Ga. Ave. from the beltway to Olney (worst through Weaton) > has changed my mind. I hear you ; I get to ride the beltway from 355 to 210 & vice versa daily... > I've had people behind me pull around me because I was > going to stop at a (very) red light and speed through from the next lane > (happens at least weekly). '... everything I learned not to do in a cage, I learned on the beltway...' > If they put a camera at the intersection of Ga. and Forest Glenn, they would > collect a fortune. Not to mention the new lights at the bottom of the > beltway ramps. I'm amazed when there isn't a bashed up cage there on my way > home. It's truly F'in ridiculous. I don't think I've seen everyone stop on > red at some of those intersections in weeks. If my huge F150 can stop at > these intersections without difficulty, I don't see why the guy three car > lengths back in the next lane would even think about going through. But > they do and they're f***ing it up for everyone. Unfortunately, the > justification for the cameras exists. Again, I renew my call to put cops there instead. I'm not real sure who's propaganda to believe, but some jurisdictions have tried & ceased using cameras for red lights and speed for a variety of reasons, cost being one. Allegedly, they're not the money making enterprise 1st thought. OTOH, there's the deterrent effect, which I fully admit I succumb to... People behave much better around a marked cop car than they do around a red light camera... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 15:40:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.watsonwyatt.com ([208.22.178.249]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HJeJK02645 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:38 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Cycles USA Message-ID: <20001017153649992-387e863d@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't remember seeing anything in the many "dealer as evil incarnate discussions" but for those of you who've dealt w/ Cycles USA in Silver Spring can you give me a heads up what to expect from sales or service depts? (I know they could at worst be runner up since the actual evil incarnate spot is spoken for) TIA. keep the shiny side up Rob '0? ZX-9R (coming soon to a garage near me) '96 VFR (for sale) '93 GS500 (for sale) From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 15:44:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HJiBK02721 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001017194404.24341.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:44:04 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:44:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Here's a really question on this list: > > What's _wrong_ with red-light cameras? > > I doubt that they cameras > are photographing vehicles that don't actually go > through the lights. > In my case the red-light camera took a picture and falsely accused me of going through a red light without my car going through the red-light. Talking to the lady at the couthouse... it's not uncommon... both pictures didn't match therefore it was dismissed but still having to deal with it almost a year later! personally i think its unconstitutional to accuse somebody and send out a ticket with evidence that says otherwise. maybe LM will perfect the camera and its system's infinite loop for sending out a ticket that has been dismissed! But i really think it's a wrong turn to implement these systems.... a progress towards more taxation rather then deterrent. A deterrent i think is when you have to be held accountable for your actions interfacing with humans not machines. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 15:49:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HJnKK02810 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-134.patriot.net [209.249.180.134]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9HJn7Q05604; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:49:07 -0400 Message-ID: <39ECACC8.774B29C6@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:47:20 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette Zell CC: bergman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras References: <4.1.20001017121140.00a34760@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with Jeanette. I live near Braddock & Backlick, a major crasho intersection. About one sweep `em into the ambulance crunch a week. An even split from my observation, left turners misjudging oncoming traffic and red light runners. Light turns green and the guy behind me honks - tough tootie bud, `cause there ain't no way I'm launching my scoot into the intersection until I'm damn sure all the FUGGING SCOFFLAWS have come to a complete stop. Revenue from a red light cam at that intersection could have paid my kids college tuition. Gotta problem with cams? Then DON'T run lights. Bill Jeannette Zell wrote: > You know, I was going to post something along the same lines. > > I totally disagree with the speed monitoring devices and feel that those > infringe upon my rights, etc... > > BUT I totally AGREE WITH the red light cameras. > > This is mainly because I came VERY close to being smashed by a car running > a red light one time on my bike. Since then, I always pause before going > through an intersection. The car literally SLAMMED on its brakes when it > stupidly realized - DUH - the light is red and there's a bike in front of > me!!!!! : ( > I was saved simply by the fact that I didn't gun it across the intersection. > > Also, my husband got smashed by a red light runner before we met, and > probably would have died if he had been one second faster with the gas pedal. > > If the red light cameras keep people from running red lights, sorry, but > I'm all for them. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > At 09:00 AM 10/17/00 -0700, bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >Here's a really question on this list: > > > > What's _wrong_ with red-light cameras? > > > >While I think that many of the speed limit laws are wrong and the > >enforcement and penalties are wrong, I can't think of any good reason in > >normal life* for running a red light. If you're speeding on the street and > >can't control your vehicle enough to stop at a red light, then you _are_ > >driving recklessly. Sure, there are some potential issues about > >mis-identification, but I doubt that they cameras are photographing vehicles > >that don't actually go through the lights. > > > > * Possible "exceptions": > > medical emergency > > being chased by someone > > emergency vehicle behind you > > > >Mark > > > >-- > >Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic > >'94 Yamaha GTS1000A > >bergman@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 15:50:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f225.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HJo9K02899 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:50:00 -0700 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:50:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: Rob_Bell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycles USA Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:50:00 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2000 19:50:00.0928 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F7DBE00:01C03873] Rob, In my experience, the sales guys are no worse than usual - they'll even just shoot the breeze if they're not busy. The parts guys are generally very good - and they give a 10% discount to AMA members. The service department is slow and pricy, but they've never actually f'ed anything up that I've taken in. Of course, I've only been in the service department like 3 times in the last 15 years, or so... As always, YMMV... Perry >From: "Rob Bell" >To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" >Subject: Cycles USA >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:38 -0400 > >I don't remember seeing anything in the many "dealer as evil incarnate >discussions" but for those of you who've dealt w/ Cycles USA in Silver >Spring >can you give me a heads up what to expect from sales or service depts? (I >know >they could at worst be runner up since the actual evil incarnate spot is >spoken >for) > >TIA. keep the shiny side up >Rob > >'0? ZX-9R (coming soon to a garage near me) >'96 VFR (for sale) >'93 GS500 (for sale) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 15:53:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HJrVK02909 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-134.patriot.net [209.249.180.134]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9HJrQQ06455; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:53:26 -0400 Message-ID: <39ECADCB.AB072A1A@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:51:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras References: <4.1.20001017121140.00a34760@intertv.com> <39EC7F57.8D857062@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > I certainly won't dispute the 'deterrent effect' because, if I know > there's a red light camera, I'm damn careful not to get caught running > it... I just think that task is better taken care of by cops. > Sooo, are you willing to recind the no car tax deal, and champion doubling car tax so that the countys can PAY all those cops? Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 15:59:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HJxbK02996 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9HJxUj11118738 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39ECAF98.67E616BF@radix.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:59:20 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras References: <4.1.20001017121140.00a34760@intertv.com> <39EC7F57.8D857062@radix.net> <39ECADCB.AB072A1A@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Dave Yates pontificated: > > > I certainly won't dispute the 'deterrent effect' because, if I know > > there's a red light camera, I'm damn careful not to get caught running > > it... I just think that task is better taken care of by cops. > > > Bill Huson blasphemed: > > Sooo, are you willing to recind the no car tax deal, and champion doubling car tax > so that the countys can PAY all those cops? Nyet. maybe the cops can start riding in Focus's instead of the twice as expensive Crown Vic... Maybe they don't need air conditioning either... yeah, yeah - that's unlikely, but the point is that every one of the counties can tighten their belts & do it - if they'll actually cut some of the government monolith. Huh, What's that? Aw daggonit. that was good dream why'd you guys have to wake me? :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 16:01:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HK1VK03083 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:01:23 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F77FF79@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Cool Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:01:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain mobacc generously shared, " . . . a few offbeat coldfighters that have stood me in good stead the past few winters (even the PARR New Years 'teens runs). (Some mentioned in the past, longlisters.) ---" "-- "Snow Paws" that fit over the handlebar ends and assorted brake/clutch gizmos, looking a bit like the things moped messengers use. 10sec on/off with velcro and v e r r y cozy. Saves a level or two of hand wrap. Dennis Kirk, I think." Good around town or if your fairing protects your hands. Otherwise at speed (40 +, the air pressure puts a heavy load on your hands. Warm but numb. "-- For longer rides, 3mm neoprene 2pc wetsuit, or sometimes jacket only, under 'Stitch (with a thin layer under and maybe more over). Saves bulk and good to the chatter zone. Neoprene socks too." Wally Mart in the huntin' section, has lotsa neoprene stuff in orange, camo, . . .cheep :-- Legwarmers (heavy, wool) that dancers use in practice. On/off even under pants (with some contortions). Around $30 at dance supply stores. Only pink was available when I bought, which Rit quickly changed." That rat Rit robbed the rabble a ribbing rite . Another great thin insulation is the urethane foam sheeting used for packing delicate stuff. (Reed Plastic also has it) I used to poke a sheet 'neath the chaps, now the 'Stich. Newspapers still work for the chilled but unprepared. "-- Seethrough windshield (negs: mileage, visibility(inside glare, wetwx), engine noise increase) all for drastic windchill decrease). " Oh yeah. Novus, Plasticoat, keeps down inside fogging. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 16:15:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HKFJK03301 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrash [192.9.200.199] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:14:19 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Cycles USA Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:14:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c03876$de04b240$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 Rob, Cycles USA isn't nearly the evil incarnate of the dealer formerly known as CPS. They are generally reasonable to deal with and such. A little on the expensive side. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 17:29:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (aloe.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HLTbK04393 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id RAA17875; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:21:51 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016233; Tue, 17 Oct 00 17:20:41 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0G2L00K7GFQYO6@XXXXXX>; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 8525697B.0075D8DD ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:27:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:57:48 -0400 Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: Dave Yates Cc: dc cycles Message-id: <8525697B.00731F5F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Perhaps, but for a traffic offense I don't think they need to prove reasonable doubt. I'll leave it to an atty, but I thought it was preponderance (sp?) of evidence or some such. Anyhow, it is a lower std of prove for a non-criminal offense. --chris To: cc: dc cycles Subject: Re: GW pkwy camera In most jurisdictions 'failure to positively' identify the vehicle operator on the witness stand is grounds for 'reasonable doubt' - for a criminal traffic offense. Sooner or later, an affected party will fight one of these on appeal & we'll see how the courts react... 'til then, I vote for a high powered rifle w/ scope... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 17:36:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HLaLK04566 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.af.1e177fc (8329) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:36:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:36:08 EDT Subject: Re: Laura's GNF report-long To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 << I was standing on the front straight in the middle of it, >> Ok, Laura, you left yourself wide open for this....What the hell were you doing in the middle of the fastest part of the track?!??! We know you wanted to watch Brian, but come on! Isn't this a little excessive?! ;) Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 18:19:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HMJ4K05222 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 4813 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2000 15:18:46 -0700 Received: from 1Cust224.tnt3.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.20.247.224) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 17 Oct 2000 15:18:46 -0700 X-Sent: 17 Oct 2000 22:18:46 GMT Message-ID: <000c01c03888$5d3c1420$e0f7143f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , References: Subject: Re: Laura's GNF report-long Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:19:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > << I was standing on the front straight in the middle of it, >> > > Ok, Laura, you left yourself wide open for this....What the hell were you > doing in the middle of the fastest part of the track?!??! We know you wanted > to watch Brian, but come on! Isn't this a little excessive?! > > ;) > After a few beers, standing in the middle of the track, feeling the wind of the bikes as they whizzed by seemed like a good idea...now that I think of it, maybe I caused him to crash... ;-) Laura > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 18:25:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HMPKK05304 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 7770 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2000 15:24:42 -0700 Received: from 1Cust224.tnt3.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.20.247.224) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 17 Oct 2000 15:24:42 -0700 X-Sent: 17 Oct 2000 22:24:42 GMT Message-ID: <006c01c03889$3171f200$e0f7143f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: how could I forget... Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:25:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I would like to thank Andrew Culpepper for making an appearance down at the GNF. I vote Andrew for the most dedicated DC Cycles racing supporter of 2000! He came to VIR, Summit, and all the way to Atlanta...on his bike. It is great for those guys racing to see faces of those they know. I know that kind of support means a lot to them. Next year we'd like to have an organized DC Cycles race team and some events to get more people out to the track for support of the racers. Thanks again to Andrew! You're a trooper. :-) Laura From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 18:27:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.epe.org (epe.org [204.91.163.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HMR4K05386 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:28:00 -0400 Subject: Re(2): Cycles USA To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX Cc: rob_bell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: uboser@XXXXXX (Ulrich Boser) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I am a new to the dc-cycles list-serv but couldn't help following up on Rob's question. Does anyone have a good service department that they would recommend in the DC area??? Thanks, Ulrich '82 GS 650 perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: >Rob, > >In my experience, the sales guys are no worse than usual - they'll even >just >shoot the breeze if they're not busy. The parts guys are generally very >good >- and they give a 10% discount to AMA members. The service department is >slow and pricy, but they've never actually f'ed anything up that I've >taken >in. Of course, I've only been in the service department like 3 times in >the >last 15 years, or so... > >As always, YMMV... > >Perry > >>From: "Rob Bell" >>To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" >>Subject: Cycles USA >>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:38 -0400 >> >>I don't remember seeing anything in the many "dealer as evil incarnate >>discussions" but for those of you who've dealt w/ Cycles USA in Silver >>Spring >>can you give me a heads up what to expect from sales or service depts? >(I >>know >>they could at worst be runner up since the actual evil incarnate spot is >>spoken >>for) >> >>TIA. keep the shiny side up >>Rob >> >>'0? ZX-9R (coming soon to a garage near me) >>'96 VFR (for sale) >>'93 GS500 (for sale) > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 19:48:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mail.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HNmLK06623 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id r.b0.bb620a5 (3984); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:47:58 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:47:56 EDT Subject: Re: Who owns the John Deere bike again? To: mriderleon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 118 In a message dated 10/17/2000 12:17:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mriderleon@XXXXXX writes: << Yes, I commute to work everyday, but not always in traffic like that. Last night was a little worse than normal because of the hundred (or some number like that) family march. I ride my bike 60 miles everyday, I don't have to worry about finding time to ride, 'cause I can take it to work. I like to ride, any speed, anytime, anywhere. Leon. >> I knew I got the name right. See, I guess my mind isn't as shot as I think it is. hehe Now.....what was I talking about? Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 19:55:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9HNtuK06707 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id UAA17452; Tue, 17 Oct 1972 20:02:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1972 20:02:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Ulrich Boser cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re(2): Cycles USA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Ulrich Boser wrote: > > Hello, > > I am a new to the dc-cycles list-serv but couldn't help following up on > Rob's question. Does anyone have a good service department that they would > recommend in the DC area??? > > Thanks, > > Ulrich > '82 GS 650 Well, my mom recommends me---her favorite son candidate this year. I work mostly on out-of-warranty (often by a decade or two) Japanese street bikes. NW DC. --garcia "We're lost, but we're making good time." From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 19:57:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r19.mail.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HNvmK06797 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id k.a5.c80dca7 (3984); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:57:36 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:57:36 EDT Subject: Re: Re(2): Cycles USA To: uboser@XXXXXX, perrycoleman@XXXXXX CC: rob_bell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 118 In a message dated 10/17/2000 6:30:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, uboser@XXXXXX writes: << Hello, I am a new to the dc-cycles list-serv but couldn't help following up on Rob's question. Does anyone have a good service department that they would recommend in the DC area??? Thanks, Ulrich >> Springfield Cycle Sport gets my vote any day. Real nice poeple who really seem to know what they're doing. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 20:17:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (206.79.44.133-mbay.net [206.79.44.133] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I0H6K07132 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:bergman@biber [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id e9I0Ggi03754; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:16:42 -0700 Message-Id: <200010180016.e9I0Ggi03754@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Dave Yates cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: bergman@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:11:26 EDT." <39EC7A2E.8FD20048@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:16:42 -0700 In your message dated: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:11:26 EDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => bergman@XXXXXX wrote: => > => > Here's a really question on this list: => > => > What's _wrong_ with red-light cameras? => => Is this a trick question ? => => > => > While I think that many of the speed limit laws are wrong and the enforcement and penalties ar => e wrong, I can't think of any good reason in normal life* for running a red light. If you're spe => eding on the street and can't control your vehicle enough to stop at a red light, then you _are_ => driving recklessly. Sure, there are some potential issues about mis-identification, but I doubt => that they cameras are photographing vehicles that don't actually go through the lights. => > => > * Possible "exceptions": => > medical emergency => > being chased by someone => > emergency vehicle behind you => => How 'bout a mis timed light ? IIRC, in MD it's something to the effect => of 55 mph - 6 second yellow, 45-50 - 5 second, 40 - 45 - 4 second => etc.... If the light is not sychronized, or goes out of sequence or if I don't know the code in MD, and I'm not a lawyer (though I play one on the Internet :), but as far as I understand it, most vehicle codes indicate that a yellow light is a _stop_ sign, but you're given some leeway if you can't stop. => there's a power outage & they're flashing. What if a cop in the => intersection directs you through the light against the red ? This The cop in the intersection goes under the "emergency" clause, as does the power outage. Obviously, those tickets would be dismissed. => doesn't even get into the 'who's driving' issue, or the 'confront your => accuser' issue etc... => => Red light running is certainly on my list of not to do, but lose the => damn cameras. What about large, railroad style gates instead of the cameras? Or, in an even more libertarian vein, what about large steel spikes that come up from the roadway when the light turns red. If you go through, you'll shred your tires and rip out chunks of your transmission or exhaust....but there's no fine, ticket, or points on your license. It's a purely economic dis-incentive to doing something that's in violation of the law and basic vehicular hospitality. Of course, you can't just abandon your car there... I've often thought of the "big steel spikes" thing to enforce exit-only lanes, lanes that end and force merging, etc. Mark => => -- => 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' => Dave Yates => '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' => SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA => http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ => Systems Programmer => (301) 496-3760 => -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 20:31:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I0UwK07362 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-224-238.s238.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.224.238]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13lh7z-0001fc-00 ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:30:44 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Perry Coleman" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chrome vs Polish Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:35:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1a6qusgb9nk4sku67jhn086m8bp10tvv7o@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e9I0VYK07363 chrome - looks better, easier to maintain but over years may be susecptible to chipping. polish - can look close to chrome but requires up keep. you don't want to polish a whole wheel because the inner hub/spokes will be hard to apply cleaning solutions to, and will get dull.. if you're going to polish, polish the lips only. painting the inner wheel and spokes to match the bike and polishing the lips looks good. We do it for $500. if you chrome the wheel you should chrome the rotors too for a really nice look, since the rotors tend to block a lot of the view. make sure you get a good chroming place though, that won't take forever, or stiff you. I don't have a garage, so i won't be chroming or polishing my bike. Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 20:56:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I0utK07652 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-224-238.s238.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.224.238]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13lhXK-0006t6-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:56:54 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: rear tire for a katana wanted Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:01:09 -0700 Message-ID: <7t7qus8ga7s70oirf1505u3l9cenl5m6ao@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e9I0v8K07653 a friend of mine needs a rear tire for a katana.. if anyone has a tire that will fit and wants to get rid of it cheap, let me know and i'll pass the info on. thanks Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 21:04:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I14XK07812 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-224-238.s238.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.224.238]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13lheh-0000Td-00 ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:04:31 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: pattonme@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:08:45 -0700 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e9I14bK07813 You may get longer life out of your rear tire if you don't use engine braking and make sure your clutch is in when you are approaching a stop. I think it's a good habbit to use your front brakes only, with the clutch pulled in, as a braking method. In the emergency stops if the clutch is out, the litte bit of engine braking may add to rear end fish tailing. plus you said your front tire does great.. you can distribute some of the traction wear a little more evenly maybe? If i'm wrong in my beliefs, someone correct me please ; ) danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 21:23:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f8.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.241.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I1NMK08115 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:23:14 -0700 Received: from 165.247.84.150 by lw6fd.law6.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:23:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.247.84.150] From: "John Kozyn" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: FitE VI Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:23:14 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 01:23:14.0537 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC9C5D90:01C038A1] From: "Tanner, Linda" >First off, I didn't win anything (big congrats Dale and Tracy), but I > did >finish (unlike a few other DC-Cyclers ;-) (C'mon, JohnK, 'fess up) Jeez Linda, I was hoping for more discretion ;) Actually, none of our merry band made it, so I don't feel so bad :) I was hoping to be the very last DNFer, but alas, even this ignominious honor was to elude me. Someone else came in about 30 minutes after my own 4 hr delay :) I got lost, what can I say? >It was a learning experience. I knew I wasn't good at following structions >and riding, but my handicap is a whole order of magnitude worse than I >thought. Suffice it to say, I got hopelessly lost and ended up bagging >most of my planned route. So did I - lol and I'm not too good with the former either! >3) I may not be cut out for this sort of riding. My route ended up being >only 450 miles or so, and by the time I got back, I was exhausted. >Certainly not my longest day by several hundred miles, but the most tiring. I fared a bit longer - a new personal record of 685 - still not sure I'm up to a Saddle Sore 1K though. >The organizers get my thanks. They did a great job. They also ran out of food, for which we paid, by 1900 hrs. Apart from that I agree. All of us five that went down from DC last Friday opted for the Kentucky run. If anyone has never seen the roads in KY, get thee there pronto. Honestly, there are some awesome, twisty and sweeping roads to be had there, and as I pointed out to someone, riding in areas that are somewhat economically depressed, generally means there will be little police presence. Fantastic scenery, awesome riding adventure, I'm doing it again next year too. John Kozyn '95 VFR D-mode N.B. Horkster: Gimme a holler, I've been told you have my tee-shirt :) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 21:37:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I1bwK08335 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001018013750.BYTF17837.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@XXXXXX>; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:37:50 -0700 Message-ID: <39ECFEB6.F21394DA@home.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:36:54 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kozyn CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FitE VI References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Kozyn wrote: > > N.B. Horkster: Gimme a holler, I've been told you have my tee-shirt :) > Yep, got your shirt here, had your old email address, evidently. Glad you had a good time at the rally, I sure know I did. Wanna meet some where after work tomorrow? I'll be coming from Chantilly, VA. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 22:04:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9I24GK08705 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001018020409.5850.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.215.155.57] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:04:09 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:04:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Re(2): Cycles USA - Cycle Sport Springfield To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/17/2000 6:30:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > uboser@XXXXXX writes: > << Hello, Does anyone have a good service department that they would > recommend in the DC area??? > Ulrich >> > > Springfield Cycle Sport gets my vote any day. Real nice poeple who really > seem to know what they're doing. I second that comment. Springfield Cycle Sport has done all the maintance on both of my motorcycles, and have always gone beyond what was needed. For example, when I got my first bike, (Honda Nighthawk-700SC) and dropped it off for an oil change, I asked them how I can adjust the headlight so I could aim it better. When I picked up the bike, it was all adjusted for me. The bike always done when they promised it (unless there was an unforseen problem). Several times it was ready before they had promised it. I had a service contract with them for my (then new) Concours. 3 years, all scheduled maintance. I checked 3 times, no mileage limits, and told them I had planned on putting on a lot of miles. So for $800, I got the contract. The bike just had it's 48,000 mile service, and they are still groaning about all the service I "used" from them. (I decided to be nice and go in every 6,000 rather than every 3,000). My contract expires November 3rd... now I have to start paying, or learn to do it all myself. (Hmmm, time to buy Dale Horstman a steak dinner, for Connie lessons) When they were taken over by new management, the new managers pointed out that the contract was specifically with Dave (forgot his last name, the previous owner), and so they didn't have to honor it anymore. The employees at Cycle Sport really went to bat for me and the others who still had the service contract. They convinced the management to honor the contract and cover the rest of the service. (The service contract is no longer offered, probably because of people like me) Anyway, I recommend Cycle Sports Springfield to everyone who asks. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 22:11:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I2BXK08790 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.34.bd5cf81 (15876) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web33.aolmail.aol.com (web33.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.9]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:11:21 2000 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:11:21 EDT From: Boiade@XXXXXX Subject: DC Cycles National Results To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <34.bd5cf81.271e60ca@aol.com> Wondering how everyone in DC-Cycles ended up after the GNF on an national basis as the points are now up for the year on the WERA site. (I know Bryan and Randy did well regionally) I also think Randy did well in the national challenge standings in one of the twins classes if I read the points right. I think Bryan's crash put him out of contention for a national title/placing unfortunately. I didn't do as well as I would have liked, thought I'd break top ten in V-3 but I finished 13th in Formula 500, 13th in V-3 and 17th in V-2 for the season. (bad karma number-wise) I started racing V-2 late in the season so it's not as bad as it looks. Anyway, there are between 35 and 40 racers in each of my classes so as Randy says, there is always somebody you can beat. LOL We'll get them next year. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 22:38:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I2cqK09258 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-134.patriot.net [209.249.180.134]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9I2ciQ26731; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:38:45 -0400 Message-ID: <39ED0CCB.BA2839B@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:36:59 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chrome vs Polish References: <1a6qusgb9nk4sku67jhn086m8bp10tvv7o@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > painting the inner wheel and spokes to match the bike and polishing > the lips looks good. We do it for $500. > $500 to paint the wheel innards and polish the rim? Sheesh, drop yo' pants and bend ovah!!! > if you chrome the wheel you should chrome the rotors too for a really > nice look, since the rotors tend to block a lot of the view. Oh yeah, that makes sense - chrome the BRAKE rotors. Don't forget to wax them too, gotta keep that chrome looking good. > makesure you get a good chroming place though, that won't take forever, > or > stiff you. > Lemme see, guy who charges $500 to hose a wheel and spiff up the rim is warning about a chrome shop *stiffing* you??? The mind boggles.... Bill - laughing From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 22:43:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I2hZK09344 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-134.patriot.net [209.249.180.134]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9I2hTQ27430; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:43:30 -0400 Message-ID: <39ED0DE8.F013256D@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:41:44 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > You may get longer life out of your rear tire if you don't use engine > braking and make sure your clutch is in when you are approaching a > stop. > > I think it's a good habbit to use your front brakes only, with the > clutch pulled in, as a braking method. In the emergency stops > if the clutch is out, the litte bit of engine braking may add to rear > end fish tailing. > > plus you said your front tire does great.. you can distribute some of > the traction wear a little more evenly maybe? > > If i'm wrong in my beliefs, someone correct me please ; ) > In the interest of preserving your health record, allow me to correct you.... Clutch IN - BOTH BRAKES!!! When you're on the binders engine braking is a wash - clutch IN! And BOTH BRAKES!!! Sheesh... Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 22:50:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I2oDK09509 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.163.112.243] ([24.163.112.243]) by mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:49:44 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:49:57 -0400 Subject: Define red light running. From: David Cross To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20001017160951.8801.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Forgive me if this has been addressed already . . . Do the camera's take pictures of motorists who enter the intersection while the light is red, or motorists who enter it when it is still yellow, but it turns to red before they are completely through it, or both? There are times when I approach a light that changes to yellow and I may feel its is unsafe for me to come to a sudden stop (someone tailgating me for example), so I proceed on through the intersection and then notice the light changes to red just before I exit the intersection. I dont feel that what I describe puts anyone in danger and therefore shouldnt deserve a ticket. Anyone know how the camera's are programmed? dave From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 22:56:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (253-64-173-216.user.darwin.net [216.173.64.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I2u2K09522 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2g0up [128.8.24.109] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id A1E7777F00F6; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:58:47 -0700 From: "Ahalan" To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Cameras Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:55:04 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c038c7$f6923c00$2100000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > >i would like to ride on top of a semi with a sludge >hammer and give a good wack at those stupid cameras! There's a story I read somewhere awhile back about a speed-trap camera in Germany where they had a perfect picture of this guy driving by and shooting at the camera with a shotgun. If I remember correctly he did hit the camera, but the images were intact. I don't think he got off with just a fine... Niv BMW F650ST From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 22:58:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mail.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I2wjK09596 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 1.55.c2ee567 (3998); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:58:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <55.c2ee567.271e6bd2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:58:26 EDT Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction To: bhuson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 In a message dated 10/17/00 10:44:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: << And BOTH BRAKES!!! >> Sheeesh, not this again, In most situations, particularly panic situations, the rear brake is a hazard for all but the most talented riders, don't encourage its use please. Rear brake usage is the cause of most single vehicle motorcycle accidents as per the "Hurt" report. Read it. I actually used my rear brake at Road Atlanta when I overcooked a corner and was going straight into the gravel, but under normal racing (or street riding) I keep my foot away from that pedal. Not using engine braking on the street is just stupid. On the race course, some of the best professional racers (GP/WSB types) actually pull in the clutch and freewheel into a turn, I don't but that's what I've read. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 23:01:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I31AK09683 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id q.34.bd5479c (3998); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:00:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <34.bd5479c.271e6c6a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:00:58 EDT Subject: Re: Cameras To: rdrdr@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 They changed the angle of the cameras in Italy when some married guys had pictures taken of them at odd hours with long haired passengers. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 23:19:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (253-64-173-216.user.darwin.net [216.173.64.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I3JRK09911 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2g0up [128.8.24.109] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id A784CAC9012A; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:22:44 -0700 From: "Ahalan" To: Cc: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Cycles USA Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:19:01 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c038cb$4f8f93e0$2100000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Rob: I used to go to Cycles USA as my main shop with my Suzuki DR650. Sales Dept.: Don't really know - I never actually bought a bike from them but when I was looking they seemed helpful and knowledgeable (within limits). Parts Dept.: I tried dealing mostly w/ Joe (if he's still there). They didn't have much parts in stock for my bike (nothing that wasn't common to other bikes) and usually did a good job ordering stuff when I needed. Service Dept.: That's the reason I stopped using them. The service managers there were on a revolving door basis. Some were better, some were not. Problem it gets difficult to get good service when you don't know who you're dealing with. The attitude that turned me away is reflected in the following incident: Several months after I had them change a rear tire, I found that I cannot remove the rear axle (...someone did not grease the axle before inserting it and it was rusted to the bearings). After failing with any method I could come up with I called and asked to speak to a mechanic only to be told that to speak to one I need to make an appointment. Asked to do that and was scheduled for about 2.5 weeks later - no thanks. (The guys at The Dirt Shop/The Motorcycle Shop on Route 1 answered and guided me to salvation). ...but this was more than a year ago. I figured that since my bike was not under warranty, and since they had to order parts for it anyway, I didn't need a frikkin' dealer, and took my business to The Dirt Shop and to Myers Cycle (Summit Ave.,Kensington). Been getting good, friendly service since. Of course now my beemer is under warranty until August 2001 (3 YEAR warranty !!!!!) Niv BMW F650ST From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 23:24:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I3O6K09990 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-228.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.228]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA24391 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:23:53 -0400 Posted-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:23:53 -0400 Message-ID: <013b01c038b1$6869b9a0$68a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:13:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 An aside -- The Post's Dr. Gridlock recently published a pretty extensive list of red-light cameras (I think it was DC only). Might still be available for free on the Post site. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> I brake for Big Brother Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 23:27:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I3RBK10067 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10348 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:27:01 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001017232451.00c46b70@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:26:59 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Define red light running. In-Reply-To: References: <20001017160951.8801.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:49 PM 10/17/2000 , David Cross wrote: >There are times when I approach a light that changes to yellow and I may >feel its is unsafe for me to come to a sudden stop (someone tailgating me >for example), so I proceed on through the intersection and then notice the >light changes to red just before I exit the intersection. I dont feel that >what I describe puts anyone in danger and therefore shouldnt deserve a >ticket. > >Anyone know how the camera's are programmed? As long as your front tire passes the line before the light turns red, you are safe - at least in VA. I have had one red light photo mailed to me courtesy of the City of Fairfax. The first picture is when the light turns red, and is of the stop line. The second picture is about a second later, in the intersection. You may trip the camera if your front tire is over the line when it turns red, but you will not get a ticket in the mail (according to a police friend). _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 23:45:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I3jYK10379 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-134.patriot.net [209.249.180.134]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9I3jUQ01984; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:45:30 -0400 Message-ID: <39ED1C70.EADDC618@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:43:44 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction References: <55.c2ee567.271e6bd2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, but I've read the Hurt report. True, underuse of thre Front brake is a definate problem, and in a recent interview with Hurt he emphsized FRONT BRAKE, meaning use the damn thing. But physics is physics, and BOTH brakes stop faster than one brake. Practice, practice, practice - using both brakes. Hurt's report RE rear brake related to rear brake only, the exact situation which caused my cuz to splash his Sportster a couple weeks ago. I hope he'll retrain himself. RE engine braking - good for slowing down, I do it all the time. But if I need to actually stop, brakes go on. Once you squeeze/press the brakes, engine braking is a no-call. Bill Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/17/00 10:44:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > << And BOTH BRAKES!!! > >> > Sheeesh, not this again, > > In most situations, particularly panic situations, the rear brake is a hazard > for all but the most talented riders, don't encourage its use please. Rear > brake usage is the cause of most single vehicle motorcycle accidents as per > the "Hurt" report. Read it. > > I actually used my rear brake at Road Atlanta when I overcooked a corner and > was going straight into the gravel, but under normal racing (or street > riding) I keep my foot away from that pedal. > > Not using engine braking on the street is just stupid. On the race course, > some of the best professional racers (GP/WSB types) actually pull in the > clutch and freewheel into a turn, I don't but that's what I've read. > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 17 23:52:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I3q1K10458 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-38.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.38]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA25636 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:51:57 -0400 Posted-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:51:57 -0400 Message-ID: <014601c038b5$486098a0$68a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Laura's GNF report-long Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:41:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Bryan, I'm another racing lurker and darn glad you're percolating. I'm sure it's great times except occasionally when it isn't. And bless Laura for taking care. A side note of which you may approve -- made a contribution to the Tight Squeeze Racing Injury Fund last June. It sounded like a good idea to me and perhaps others might find it, or similar, a way to support track racing. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Reincarnated I want to be a race bike Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 00:48:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9I4m2K11258 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-59.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.59]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA27765 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:47:53 -0400 Posted-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:47:53 -0400 Message-ID: <015301c038bd$02b71060$68a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Mensa Motorcycling Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:36:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Did you see that? Did you see that? Happened to catch a little "Jeopardy" tonight along with a glimpse of an ad for "Eagle Rider MC Rentals" (or close). Pretty good pic of leatherjacketed cruiser riders. With Jeopardy? Would love to see the memos about that ad buy. Have they found the Mensas in us? Don't recall seeing a bookholder on the bars, however. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Ask me in anything in Japanese Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 06:12:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IACSK17107 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.87.1a09d1d (15869) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:12:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:12:15 EDT From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Laura's GNF report-long To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <87.1a09d1d.271ed180@aol.com> I bet I know what made Bryan crash! Laura had one of those pit boards that said "BJ after race" held up. That's why she was in the middle of the track. She wanted to be sure he would see it. hehe In a message dated Tue, 17 Oct 2000 6:21:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Laura Granato" writes: << > << I was standing on the front straight in the middle of it, >> > > Ok, Laura, you left yourself wide open for this....What the hell were you > doing in the middle of the fastest part of the track?!??! We know you wanted > to watch Brian, but come on! Isn't this a little excessive?! > > ;) > After a few beers, standing in the middle of the track, feeling the wind of the bikes as they whizzed by seemed like a good idea...now that I think of it, maybe I caused him to crash... ;-) Laura From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 07:48:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IBmDK18464 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001018114806.22156.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.189] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:48:06 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:48:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction To: Bill Huson , daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > > > daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > You may get longer life out of your rear tire if you > > don't use engine braking and make sure your clutch is > > in when you are approaching a stop. > > > > I think it's a good habbit to use your front brakes > > only, with the clutch pulled in, as a braking method. > > In the emergency stops if the clutch is out, the litte > > bit of engine braking may add to rear end fish tailing. > > > > plus you said your front tire does great.. you can > > distribute some of > > the traction wear a little more evenly maybe? > > > > If i'm wrong in my beliefs, someone correct me please ; > ) > > > > In the interest of preserving your health record, allow > me to correct > you.... > > Clutch IN - BOTH BRAKES!!! > > When you're on the binders engine braking is a wash - > clutch IN! > > And BOTH BRAKES!!! > > Sheesh... i don't think you're kidding here.... this is bad advice unless the stop in question is in a straight line my rear brake gets touched ONLY in a panic stop (none this year so far), to settle the rear while in a turn (very few this year), or while crawling through a u-turn hmmm....i'm getting the strange feeling of deja vu again -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 08:01:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IC15K18651 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-251.patriot.net [209.249.180.251]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9IC0qQ02334; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:00:53 -0400 Message-ID: <39ED9089.94B5638C@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:59:05 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction References: <20001018114806.22156.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > Clutch IN - BOTH BRAKES!!! > > > > When you're on the binders engine braking is a wash - > > clutch IN! > > > > And BOTH BRAKES!!! > > > > Sheesh... > > i don't think you're kidding here.... > > this is bad advice unless the stop in question is in a > straight line > > my rear brake gets touched ONLY in a panic stop (none this > year so far), to settle the rear while in a turn (very few > this year), or while crawling through a u-turn > > hmmm....i'm getting the strange feeling of deja vu again > > -- > tg > No, I wasn't kidding. But yes, every attempt should be made to straight-line the bike during a hard stop. Hard braking during a turn/swerve will dump yo' ass on the pavement using one brake or two brakes. And I'm sure most of us have squeezed the fronty to hard on wet roads, wet grass, dirt, and wound up butt-surfing on the ground. Using both brakes as routine prepares one for that "panic" stop. Training, practice, tuning the reaction, discovering how much rear brake input *your* bike can handle. And as you said, the rear brake only is a great tool for creeping thru U-turns or crawling along in your basic DC car jam. Bottom line - stop hard using rear brake, stop hard using front brake, stop hard using both brakes. Which stop was the shortest? I rest my case... Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 08:07:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3605.mail.yahoo.com (web3605.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IC7HK18730 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001018120704.7516.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.5] by web3605.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:07:04 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:07:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: Matthew Ehlert , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not true, in VA if you can prove you were not driving the vehicle in question the ticket is dismissed. Of course IMO they still got you after lost time at work, etc. Glenn --- Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > that's correct...i got a red-light ticket in rosslyn > near the USA today building. Doesn't matter who > drives your car.... it's the person that it's > register > to. No points... just fine around 50 dollars. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 08:16:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9ICGTK18897 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001018121622.24411.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.189] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:16:22 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:16:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction To: Bill Huson Cc: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > > > Bottom line - stop hard using rear brake, stop hard using > front brake, stop hard using both brakes. Which stop was > the shortest? I rest my case... shortest stop is different from safest stop. i stay away from the rear because it is only necessary in a panic stop, and i haven't had any recently. when i do, i'll depress the rear pedal....using it all the time is more dangerous than helpful even rear-brake teachers agree its more of a 70/30 (f/r) balance. what are you recommending? how did i let myself get into another braking thread? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 08:16:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9ICGuK18907 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001018121649.15654.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.5] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:16:49 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:16:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: bergman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As others have mentioned they don't always work correctly! On the news a few months ago they were talking about how the cameras in DC were giving people in funeral precessions tickets. How would you like to get that ticket in the mail and then have to "deal with it" after someone you cared for died? Secondly I have personally seen the one there on Columbia Pike right down from Carlin Springs road go off (the flash) while someone was doing a right turn on red. It amazes me some of you agree with these things with the "perceived" safety they would have you believe they provide when all they do is create revenue, most of that going to the contractor who installed it. Another scenario I'm sure we have all been in before is inclement weather. I know of several traffic lights in Arlington that turn from yellow to red so fast its hard to stop with dry pavement while doing the speed limit. Imagine throwing down a couple inches of snow even if you drop your speed in half. To me these are bullshit devices that actually do nothing in terms of safety. Exactly the reason I have one of those tag covers... Glenn --- bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Here's a really question on this list: > > What's _wrong_ with red-light cameras? > > While I think that many of the speed limit laws are > wrong and the enforcement and penalties are wrong, I > can't think of any good reason in normal life* for > running a red light. If you're speeding on the > street and can't control your vehicle enough to stop > at a red light, then you _are_ driving recklessly. > Sure, there are some potential issues about > mis-identification, but I doubt that they cameras > are photographing vehicles that don't actually go > through the lights. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 08:21:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9ICLVK18984 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001018122125.16033.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.5] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:21:25 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:21:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So true, I didn't realize this law till I was browsing the VA law books a couple years ago. You can NOT proceed on a green light or through ANY intersection until YOU, the driver of said vehicle verifies the intersection is clear. Glenn --- Dave Yates wrote: in a > similar situation, > fortunately I was in a truck. That said, and I mean > absolutely no flame > here, but it *is* your responsibility to verify > *before* proceeding > through an intersection that it is, in fact, clear - > right of way or > not. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 08:24:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ICOpK18994 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9ICOnj10775350 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39ED9686.7FEF32A0@radix.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:24:38 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction References: <20001018121622.24411.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > shortest stop is different from safest stop. i stay away > from the rear because it is only necessary in a panic stop, > and i haven't had any recently. when i do, i'll depress > the rear pedal....using it all the time is more dangerous > than helpful You ride like you practice, if you practice using only the front brake, or use only the front as a matter of practice, it's going to be more difficult to keep the rear brake from locking in a hard stop... > > even rear-brake teachers agree its more of a 70/30 (f/r) > balance. what are you recommending? Do whatever you feel most comfortable with, so will I... > > how did i let myself get into another braking thread? The Quarterly brake thread was due to start on 1 Nov... I don't see a problem with starting it 2 weeks early... The sooner we start it, the sooner we finish it. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 08:28:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ICS2K19071 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id HAA26735 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:27:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id HAA26731 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:27:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA02082; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001018082911.00a3a430@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:30:09 -0400 To: Glenn Dysart , Dave Yates From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20001018122125.16033.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The intersection was clear. The person sped through AFTER I looked. What then? : ) Not to battle over semantics, but I don't think anyone would proceed through an intersection that they saw was not clear. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 At 05:21 AM 10/18/00 -0700, Glenn Dysart wrote: >So true, I didn't realize this law till I was browsing >the VA law books a couple years ago. You can NOT >proceed on a green light or through ANY intersection >until YOU, the driver of said vehicle verifies the >intersection is clear. > >Glenn > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 08:28:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9ICSXK19081 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001018122827.16582.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.5] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:28:27 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:28:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: bergman@XXXXXX, Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, I could see this working really well. Kinda like those barriers at the Pentagon that have jacked numerous vehicles including the Ambassador of Japan... because they were *supposed* to be going through the gates. Using technology to enforce traffic violations is a bad thing. Glenn > > What about large, railroad style gates instead of > the cameras? Or, in an even > more libertarian vein, what about large steel spikes > that come up from the > roadway when the light turns red. If you go through, > you'll shred your tires > and rip out chunks of your transmission or > exhaust....but there's no fine, > ticket, or points on your license. It's a purely > economic dis-incentive to > doing something that's in violation of the law and > basic vehicular hospitality. > Of course, you can't just abandon your car there... > I've often thought of the > "big steel spikes" thing to enforce exit-only lanes, > lanes that end and force > merging, etc. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 08:34:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ICYSK19183 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9ICYQj11492122 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39ED98C8.712F6598@radix.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:34:16 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras References: <20001018122827.16582.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Yeah, I could see this working really well. Kinda > like those barriers at the Pentagon that have jacked > numerous vehicles including the Ambassador of Japan... Yeah. Nobody died. > because they were *supposed* to be going through the > gates. Using technology to enforce traffic violations > is a bad thing. Ahh, but using superior technology to defeat the technologically enforced traffic laws is soooooooooo satisyfing :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 08:36:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9ICaUK19262 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001018123623.17300.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.5] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:36:23 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:36:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: Jeannette Zell , Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Obviously they were at fault as you described. My thought is do you think putting a camera at that intersection would have stopped that person from running the light there or anywhere else? Doubtful, especially if no points are assessed (which is one good thing about them, if you can call it that). Glenn --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > The intersection was clear. The person sped through > AFTER I looked. > What then? : ) > Not to battle over semantics, but I don't think > anyone would proceed > through an intersection that they saw was not clear. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > At 05:21 AM 10/18/00 -0700, Glenn Dysart wrote: > >So true, I didn't realize this law till I was > browsing > >the VA law books a couple years ago. You can NOT > >proceed on a green light or through ANY > intersection > >until YOU, the driver of said vehicle verifies the > >intersection is clear. > > > >Glenn > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 08:40:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9ICeBK19306 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12649 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2000 12:39:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20001018123959.12648.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [153.2.247.11] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:39:59 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The theory is that someone in policeland looks at each case to verify before mailing. If that's the case, a funeral procession should not be mailed a fine. Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > As others have mentioned they don't always work > correctly! On the news a few months ago they were > talking about how the cameras in DC were giving > people > in funeral precessions tickets. How would you like > to > get that ticket in the mail and then have to "deal > with it" after someone you cared for died? > > Secondly I have personally seen the one there on > Columbia Pike right down from Carlin Springs road go > off (the flash) while someone was doing a right turn > on red. > > It amazes me some of you agree with these things > with > the "perceived" safety they would have you believe > they provide when all they do is create revenue, > most > of that going to the contractor who installed it. > > Another scenario I'm sure we have all been in before > is inclement weather. I know of several traffic > lights in Arlington that turn from yellow to red so > fast its hard to stop with dry pavement while doing > the speed limit. Imagine throwing down a couple > inches of snow even if you drop your speed in half. > > To me these are bullshit devices that actually do > nothing in terms of safety. Exactly the reason I > have > one of those tag covers... > > Glenn > > --- bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Here's a really question on this list: > > > > What's _wrong_ with red-light cameras? > > > > While I think that many of the speed limit laws > are > > wrong and the enforcement and penalties are wrong, > I > > can't think of any good reason in normal life* for > > running a red light. If you're speeding on the > > street and can't control your vehicle enough to > stop > > at a red light, then you _are_ driving recklessly. > > Sure, there are some potential issues about > > mis-identification, but I doubt that they cameras > > are photographing vehicles that don't actually go > > through the lights. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 08:40:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ICePK19316 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9ICeMj6703045 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39ED9A2C.8FC343EB@radix.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:40:12 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras References: <4.1.20001018082911.00a3a430@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette Zell wrote: > > The intersection was clear. The person sped through AFTER I looked. > What then? : ) The operative initial in BDC is D ; 1st strike - a cager. 2nd strike - too busy screwing off mentally to be bother with the task at hand. 3rd strike - sounds like a deliberate 'screw those jokers, my time is more important' type person, that deserved a few weeks in the jug instead of a couple of points... > Not to battle over semantics, but I don't think anyone would proceed > through an intersection that they saw was not clear. Around here? Are you joking ? I see it all the time, left turners, despite seeing traffic take off, just keep plowing into the intersections just like herds of caribou... DARING someone to hit them. There ought to be a Vigilance law such that if you & two others notice this, collectively, you get to beat the crap out of the offenders... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 08:44:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9ICiGK19390 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001018124408.28260.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.189] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:44:08 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:44:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > You ride like you practice, if you practice using only > the front brake, or use only the front as a matter of > practice, it's going to be more difficult to keep the > rear brake from locking in a hard stop... i'm 99% front....if i ever NEED the rear, it won't matter that it has locked. by the time i actually hit the rear, i'll be straight up/down and stopping in a straight line. of course, this will all depend on battley-fucking-cycles getting my rear brake to function at all. they were kind enough to "bleed" the rear without being requested to, and ruined the rear master. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 08:49:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ICnTK19479 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id HAA28801 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:49:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id HAA28797 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:49:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA02483; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001018084844.00a3ad80@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:51:40 -0400 To: Dave Yates From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <39ED9A2C.8FC343EB@radix.net> References: <4.1.20001018082911.00a3a430@intertv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You're right, duh. I just saw an example of this last night, even, and totally blanked out on it. What is WITH the BDCs nowadays who pull on directly in front of people to make a turn!? I don't get it. I mean, they'll do it in front of a vehicle much bigger than them, even. Last night the guy in front of us nearly lost control of his car over someone jumping out into the intersection to make a left turn into the other lane. I secretly yearn for them to get smashed. That would teach them. heh heh Now that you've put it that way, I do see a reason for that law. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > Around here? Are you joking ? I see it all the time, left turners, >despite seeing traffic take off, just keep plowing into the >intersections just like herds of caribou... DARING someone to hit them. >There ought to be a Vigilance law such that if you & two others notice >this, collectively, you get to beat the crap out of the offenders... > >-- >'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' >Dave Yates >'97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' >SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA >http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ >Systems Programmer >(301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 08:52:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ICqIK19568 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA20397 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA09231 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9ICqEj11545076 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39ED9CF3.87A917EB@radix.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:52:03 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Pedestrian woes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been hearing a lot lately about pedestrian trouble in our area, & around the country as a major cause of inner city traffic congestion and such. WTOP had a couple of 'high muckety mucks' on lamenting how pedestrians were deliberately taking advantage of right of way laws, crossing against signals, yadda, yadda, yadda. When I worked in Bethesda for about 6 months I learned quite quickly that it was just plain safer to wait for the signal, no matter how clear it looked. Not a day went by, I didn't see some morons, completely oblivious to ANY traffic threat, yakking away on a cell phone while crossing against the signal... among other things. Since I don't commute into a city now, is it really that bad ? A couple of weeks ago, I think San Francisco was tagged with the 'most pedestrian unfriendly' label (?) One of those San cities... - sounds to me like it's time for cameras at walk ways. - how about mandatory pedestrian licensing - let's not forget the pedestrian point system - we should all have to wear pedestrian registration plates too. - all our clothing should be inspected for pedestrian safety compliance. gee, sounds kind of ominous when you apply those things to something besides vehicles... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 08:53:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9ICrLK19578 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001018125314.18898.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.5] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:53:14 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:53:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras To: Matthew Rosenstock , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You give more brains to cops then I do... Glenn --- Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > The theory is that someone in policeland looks at > each > case to verify before mailing. If that's the case, a > funeral procession should not be mailed a fine. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:05:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f251.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ID5RK19815 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:05:19 -0700 Received: from 151.200.109.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:05:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.94] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Red-Light Cams Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:05:19 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 13:05:19.0518 (UTC) FILETIME=[110E5BE0:01C03904] Again, I renew my call to put cops there instead. I'm not real sure who's propaganda to believe, but some jurisdictions have tried & ceased using cameras for red lights and speed for a variety of reasons, cost being one. Allegedly, they're not the money making enterprise 1st thought. OTOH, there's the deterrent effect, which I fully admit I succumb to... People behave much better around a marked cop car than ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ they do around a red light camera... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates --> This is too true. Hasn't anyone ever seen the caterpillar like --> line that follows a single cruiser down the highway. The cop could --> be rolling at 45mph in a 55mph zone and the cattle brains wouldn't --> pass for 'fear'. --> --> In Arlington, police cruisers are purposely left at busy --> intersections and other places people tend to speed. This does have --> a temporary effect to the locals. --> --> I believe Montgomery County experimented for awhile with to-scale --> wooden profiles of state trooper cruisers on I-495. IMO, this was --> more dangerous than just doing nothing at all. People saw the decoy --> and freak-slammed the brakes, nearly (and I don't doubt, actually) --> causing a chain reaction pile-up. --> --> IMO, a $50 fine for running a red light doesn't seem to be nearly --> enough deterrance. It's a money-mill. And it also leaves those --> that would run a light with the impression that a simple monetary --> loss is worth it. That puts everyone at risk. Hey, could we get a --> creative law-suit against the gubmnt for negligence? --> --> Todd (springfield, VA) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:06:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ID6FK19825 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-251.patriot.net [209.249.180.251]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9ID62Q10285; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:06:02 -0400 Message-ID: <39ED9FCE.A1BCF336@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:04:14 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction References: <20001018121622.24411.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > > > > > Bottom line - stop hard using rear brake, stop hard using > > front brake, stop hard using both brakes. Which stop was > > > the shortest? I rest my case... > > shortest stop is different from safest stop. i stay away > from the rear because it is only necessary in a panic stop, > and i haven't had any recently. when i do, i'll depress > the rear pedal....using it all the time is more dangerous > than helpful > > even rear-brake teachers agree its more of a 70/30 (f/r) > balance. what are you recommending? > Using it all the time develops the reactions needed during an O SHEEIIT stop. When faced with a large object one can't swerve around, the safest stop is the shortest stop. The shortest stop requires both brakes. Hmm... 70/30 is okay, but I'm more of a 75/25 guy. I'm sure the actual test ratios vary from bike to bike. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:12:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IDCDK19915 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id IAA00756 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:12:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id IAA00752 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:12:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA02905; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001018091159.00a263c0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:14:23 -0400 To: "Todd Peer" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Red-Light Cams In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HOW would they put cops at every red light intersection? I just don't see how this would work. I mean, I know most people on this list don't like cops, but jeez, I'm sure that some of them have more important things to do than be traffic monitors. I know a few things they could take care of in my neighborhood that I view as a bit more important than watching people obey traffic signals. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:05 AM 10/18/00 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: > Again, I renew my call to put cops there instead. I'm not real sure >who's propaganda to believe, but some jurisdictions have tried & ceased >using cameras for red lights and speed for a variety of reasons, cost >being one. Allegedly, they're not the money making enterprise 1st >thought. OTOH, there's the deterrent effect, which I fully admit I >succumb to... People behave much better around a marked cop car than > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >they do around a red light camera... > >-- >'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' >Dave Yates > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:31:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IDVeK20241 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id IAA02607 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:31:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id IAA02603 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:31:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA03237 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001018093302.00a203e0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:33:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Winter In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001018091159.00a263c0@intertv.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:32:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IDWRK20251 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA00607 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:17:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: RE: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:23:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39ED9089.94B5638C@patriot.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > When you're on the binders engine braking is a wash - > > clutch IN! That rather depends on what kind of bike you ride. My VTR1000 has fork-bending engine braking in the lower gears. Often, I don't even have to use my brakes when slowing for a turn. I can stop much quicker when downchanging gears while I brake - just gotta be careful not to lock up the rear going down into second or first. From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > And I'm sure most of us have squeezed the fronty to hard on wet > roads, wet grass, dirt, and wound up butt-surfing on the ground. Umm... speak for yourself here Bill. :^) I highly doubt that most of us have "butt-surfed" due to too much front braking. Cheers, Chris From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:38:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IDc8K20341 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va18-31.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.95]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11550; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EDD37C.935F6571@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:44:44 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette Zell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter References: <4.1.20001018093302.00a203e0@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Up. Except for those days when it's okee-dokee to ride! Just call me a "weenie"! %^) Chuck Jeannette Zell wrote: > > So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:38:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net (relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net [38.9.157.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IDc9K20343 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13ltPy-00042A-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:38:07 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id S9V4D8NK; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:25:00 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: Subject: RE: Re(2): Cycles USA Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:40:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Cycle Sport in Herndon is a great place to take your bike! I don't know about the sales department, except to say that they aren't very pushy, and are happy to bs with you. Dean in the service department is very friendly and helpful. -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 6:58 PM To: uboser@XXXXXX; perrycoleman@XXXXXX Cc: rob_bell@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re(2): Cycles USA In a message dated 10/17/2000 6:30:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, uboser@XXXXXX writes: << Hello, I am a new to the dc-cycles list-serv but couldn't help following up on Rob's question. Does anyone have a good service department that they would recommend in the DC area??? Thanks, Ulrich >> Springfield Cycle Sport gets my vote any day. Real nice poeple who really seem to know what they're doing. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:39:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IDdbK20360 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e23.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16782; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:11:42 -0500 Received: from d04nms69.raleigh.ibm.com (d04nms69nms70.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.69]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.94) with ESMTP id JAA43328; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:39:22 -0400 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Winter To: Jeannette Zell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 (Intl) 21 March 2000 Message-ID: From: "Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM" Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:39:24 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D04NMS69/04/M/IBM(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 10/18/2000 09:39:24 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jeanette wrote: >>So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? I'll keep riding. I avoid ice and snow, but other than that, I'll be out there. Regards, Tom Knapik '83 CX650C E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:42:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IDgJK20440 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:42:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200010180942.AA157876628@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Define red light running. X-Mailer: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e9IDgNK20441 ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: David Cross >Anyone know how the camera's are programmed? Not sure, but here's the Virginia laws: (from http://leg1.state.va.us) M-' 46.2-833.01. (Effective until July 1, 2005.) Use of photo-monitoring systems to enforce traffic light signals; penalty. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-833.01 M-' 46.2-833. Traffic lights. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-833 Apparently, a yellow light means if you haven't entered the intersection, you have "stop if it is not reasonably safe to continue" ... but of course people have widely different definitions of "reasonable". Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:42:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IDgQK20450 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9IDgMj11459571 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EDA8B3.170CE2AC@radix.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:42:11 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter References: <4.1.20001018093302.00a203e0@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette Zell wrote: > > So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? Just call me a cold sissy, I've caged it all week, anything below 50 is too uncomfortable for me, even with layers under the 'stich. for me, it's 50 miles 1 way, so until that changes, I may be caging it to work for a while... Now, rides on the weekend are another matter ... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:43:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.watsonwyatt.com ([208.22.178.249]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IDhgK20460 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 9:42 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Re(2): Cycles USA Message-ID: <20001018093942768-3c5dee25@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii okay, i'd rather deal in MD but... i've heard from several of you about cycle sport in springfield. does anyone know what the tax situation is if i buy in VA? i don't want to pay VA sales tax and then get nabbed again as soon as i bring it into MD. thanks for all the input. several people mentioned Myers Cycle in Kensington and I too have had very good experiences w/ them but i'm looking to get a new ZX-9R so they can't help on that one. keep the shiny side up R '0? ZX-9R '96 VFR (for sale) '93 GS500 (for sale) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:44:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IDibK20470 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va18-31.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.95]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15240; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EDD507.6A41E55A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:51:19 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Christopher Weaver Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christopher Weaver wrote : > > Umm... speak for yourself here Bill. :^) I highly doubt that most of us have > "butt-surfed" due to too much front braking. Just remember what Bill rides! %^) And my own personal experience is that I've never "butt surfed" from too much front braking, but have had at least one "exciting" moment from too much rear braking! In general, I think it's a good idea to know how to use both brakes. But I'm still front brake biased (even when using the rear, which is rare). I think the "mistake" too many newbies make is being afraid of the front brake and they end up using too much rear. This will almost always get you into more trouble than relying on just the front brake. What I really want to do is go to Freddie Spencer's school out in Lost Wages. Apparently, Freddie teaches and insists upon using the rear the trail brake into corners. Wahoo! Chuck From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:45:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f269.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.147]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IDjkK20549 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:45:37 -0700 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:45:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:45:37 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 13:45:37.0282 (UTC) FILETIME=[B227DE20:01C03909] I never put my bike up for the winter. I may ride less, especially between mid-December and February, but it's more a matter of convenience than anything else. Although I will wimp-out if there's much of a chance of precipitation when the temp is in the 30's, or below. Perry >From: Jeannette Zell >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Winter >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:33:37 -0400 > >So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:46:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IDk1K20559 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9ICu3j11012516 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39ED9DD9.93D2E7BB@radix.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:55:53 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GW pkwy cameras References: <4.1.20001018082911.00a3a430@intertv.com> <4.1.20001018084844.00a3ad80@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette Zell wrote: > > You're right, duh. hmm... seems like this is my new nickname... Have you been talking to my wife ? > I just saw an example of this last night, even, and totally blanked out on it. > What is WITH the BDCs nowadays who pull on directly in front of people to > make a turn!? I don't get it. because their time is CLEARLY far more important than any aspect of your life or well being, that's why... > I mean, they'll do it in front of a vehicle > much bigger than them, even. Last night the guy in front of us nearly lost > control of his car over someone jumping out into the intersection to make a > left turn into the other lane. I secretly yearn for them to get smashed. I try not to feel that way, but I succumb to the yearning for their suffering myself... > That would teach them. heh heh > > Now that you've put it that way, I do see a reason for that law. I think a properly 'checked and balanced' Vigilance Committee would be a good thing ... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:49:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IDn1K20569 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA00969 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:43:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: DCCycles.com Website Goes Live! Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:49:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Hi folks, Laura Granato and I would like to announce that the new DC Cycles website is now live! We're both relieved that it's done (for now) and that you guys will now get a chance to use the site. We'd like to thank Mike Troutman for his continuing help with some of the site issues. Thanks also to all of you dc-cycles members who have submitted material to make this site what it is. http://www.dccycles.com or http://dccycles.com Please contact us at dccwebsite@XXXXXX if you have any additions to the site or if you have any suggestions. This site belongs to all of you, and with some cooperation we can make it a great tool for DC area motorcyclists. Look forward to features in the future such as a Chat Room and an archive search. Both of these are in production now. Cheers, Chris Weaver DCCycles.com Webmaster '98 VTR1000F P.S. I'm trying to make sure that contributors are credited on the site. Please contact me if you see material that you submitted appear without a credit line. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:50:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IDoTK20648 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-251.patriot.net [209.249.180.251]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9IDoNQ16966; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:50:23 -0400 Message-ID: <39EDAA34.A3FB0F39@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:48:36 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette Zell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter References: <4.1.20001018093302.00a203e0@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll be riding off and on - easier and more fun than prepping a bike for winter storage. Bill - lazy Jeannette Zell wrote: > So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:51:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IDpgK20659 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailserver1.crosslink.net (yeti.crosslink.net [206.246.124.17]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id JAA15269 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:51:38 -0400 X-Really-To: Received: from [128.38.92.18] (account ) by mailserver1.crosslink.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1) with HTTP id 21833139 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:51:38 -0400 From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) Subject: Re: Winter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:51:38 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:39:24 -0400 "Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM" wrote: > Jeanette wrote: > >>So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? > I'll keep riding. I avoid ice and snow, but other than that, I'll > be out > there. That's my plan. Andrew 90 EX500 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:51:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IDpiK20661 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001018135136.25776.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.189] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:51:36 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:51:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Define red light running. To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Norloff wrote: > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > From: David Cross > >Anyone know how the camera's are programmed? > > > Not sure, but here's the Virginia laws: > (from http://leg1.state.va.us) > > M-' 46.2-833.01. (Effective until July 1, 2005.) Use of > photo-monitoring systems to enforce traffic light > signals; penalty. > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-833.01 > > M-' 46.2-833. Traffic lights. > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-833 > > Apparently, a yellow light means if you haven't entered > the intersection, you have "stop if it is not reasonably > safe to continue" ... but of course people have widely > different definitions of "reasonable". but, it only matters what a fictional "reasonable person" would think, not what the driver thought was reasonable (objective rather than subjective test) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:53:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c012.sfo.cp.net (c012-h006.c012.sfo.cp.net [209.228.13.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IDrEK20678 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 28068 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 06:53:05 -0700 Date: 18 Oct 2000 06:53:05 -0700 Message-ID: <20001018135305.28067.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Oct 2000 13:53:05 GMT Received: from [205.230.55.8] by mail.myway.com with HTTP; 18 Oct 2000 06:53:04 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Tom (Trey) Herb X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: Winter I am relatively new to the list. But my Triumph Trophy and I will be out and about except in the ice and snow. Trey On Wed, 18 October 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > > Up. Except for those days when it's okee-dokee to ride! Just call me a > "weenie"! %^) > > Chuck > > Jeannette Zell wrote: > > > > So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:53:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IDrTK20688 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-251.patriot.net [209.249.180.251]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9IDrOQ17446; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:53:24 -0400 Message-ID: <39EDAAE9.884129A8@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:51:37 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Cycles USA References: <20001018093942768-3c5dee25@watsonwyatt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you title in MD you don't pay VA vehicle title tax. Verify this out the outset of the deal to avoid last second paperwork confusion. Bill Rob Bell wrote: > okay, i'd rather deal in MD but... i've heard from several of you about cycle > sport in springfield. does anyone know what the tax situation is if i buy in > VA? i don't want to pay VA sales tax and then get nabbed again as soon as i > bring it into MD. > > thanks for all the input. several people mentioned Myers Cycle in Kensington > and I too have had very good experiences w/ them but i'm looking to get a new > ZX-9R so they can't help on that one. > > keep the shiny side up > R > > '0? ZX-9R > '96 VFR (for sale) > '93 GS500 (for sale) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:57:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IDv3K20773 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-251.patriot.net [209.249.180.251]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9IDuhQ18037; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:56:43 -0400 Message-ID: <39EDABB0.25B72B1F@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:54:57 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter References: <4.1.20001018093302.00a203e0@intertv.com> <39EDA8B3.170CE2AC@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been caging last week and this week - buggers are tearing up 395. Milled surface is okay, but I'm not into challanging fate by trying to get out of a milled lane over that frigging ridge. Yeah yeah, slow down and hit the ridge at a workable angle... Slow down on 395!!! *splat* road kill... Bill me'n my Dodge truck, together again... Dave Yates wrote: > Jeannette Zell wrote: > > > > So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? > > Just call me a cold sissy, I've caged it all week, anything below 50 is > too uncomfortable for me, even with layers under the 'stich. for me, > it's 50 miles 1 way, so until that changes, I may be caging it to work > for a while... Now, rides on the weekend are another matter ... > > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:57:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IDvlK20783 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id IAA05002 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:57:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id IAA04998 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:57:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from venice (venice [160.207.46.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA03780; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001018095911.009eff00@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:59:55 -0400 To: "Christopher Weaver" , From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Website Goes Live! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" WOW. Haven't looked through all of it yet, but WOW. GREAT job, guys! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:49 AM 10/18/00 -0700, Christopher Weaver wrote: >Hi folks, > >Laura Granato and I would like to announce that the new DC Cycles website is >now live! > >http://www.dccycles.com or http://dccycles.com > > >Cheers, > >Chris Weaver >DCCycles.com Webmaster >'98 VTR1000F > >P.S. I'm trying to make sure that contributors are credited on the site. >Please contact me if you see material that you submitted appear without a >credit line. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 09:58:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IDwjK20793 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-211-74.s74.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.211.74] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13ltjs-000054-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:58:41 -0400 Message-ID: <009d01c0390b$053ed040$4ad33ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: Subject: Front/rear brake ratios Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:52:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Adding fuel to the fire... The front/rear braking ratio depends a great deal on the bike's weight distribution and suspension. In a full-on stop achieving the shortest braking distance the forward weight shift (due to fairly soft front suspension) on my Nighthawk is quite pronounced. Accordingly, you *really* need that rear brake to scrub off speed in the initial stages of a stop before the weight shift lightens the rear too much. So, when stopping (on dry pavement and in a straight line) I apply about 50/50 at first and then ease off the rear ever so slightly while progressively squeezing the front as the bike slows and the forks compress. I like to think of it in this manner: the rear brake has a range of 1 to 3 while the front has a range of 1 to 10. YMMV, but experience shows that this method stops my bike safest manner in the shortest distance. PW in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: You may get longer life out of your rear tire if you don't use engine braking and make sure your clutch is in when you are approaching a stop. I think it's a good habbit to use your front brakes only, .. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:03:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A565.pix.aol.com [152.163.165.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IE3JK20896 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gruntled.office.aol.com (gruntled.office.aol.com [10.4.136.237]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17345 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by gruntled.office.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-DTI62-02) with ESMTP id KAA21197 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:03:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: gruntled.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:03:11 -0400 From: Dave Paper X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter In-Reply-To: <39EDAA34.A3FB0F39@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > I'll be riding off and on - easier and more fun than prepping a bike for > winter storage. > > Bill - lazy Make that 2 of us. Luckily, my commute is rather short (4 miles or so on slow roads) and is about to get shroters (3/4ths of a mile), so I'll probably ride all winter since parking is much easier on a bike when the company you work for has dedicated MC parking at the front door.. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Database Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs are both called "users". --Unknown From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:08:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IE8gK20975 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 15411 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 07:08:34 -0700 Date: 18 Oct 2000 07:08:34 -0700 Message-ID: <20001018140834.15410.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Oct 2000 14:08:34 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Oct 2000 07:08:34 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jzell@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: Winter On Wed, 18 October 2000, Jeannette Zell wrote: > > So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? I'll be putting my bike away (well, under its cover)for the winter...I know...I know...I'm a wuss. Oh well...I'll have a new cage to entertain me so it shouldn't be too bad. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:10:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f133.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.133]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IEA0K20986 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:09:52 -0700 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:09:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: Rob_Bell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: Re(2): Cycles USA Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:09:51 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 14:09:52.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[154FC000:01C0390D] Rob, I won't swear to it, but I'm pretty sure that Cycle Accessory Discounters, in Gaithersburg, is a certified Kawasaki service center (or whatever.) In other words, I believe that they can do warranty work on Kaw's. You could call 301-977-7188 and ask. Dave (Yakov?) is the owner. They've been very good to me over the years. Perry >From: "Rob Bell" >CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" >Subject: Re[2]: Re(2): Cycles USA >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 9:42 -0400 > >okay, i'd rather deal in MD but... i've heard from several of you about >cycle >sport in springfield. does anyone know what the tax situation is if i buy >in >VA? i don't want to pay VA sales tax and then get nabbed again as soon as >i >bring it into MD. > >thanks for all the input. several people mentioned Myers Cycle in >Kensington >and I too have had very good experiences w/ them but i'm looking to get a >new >ZX-9R so they can't help on that one. > >keep the shiny side up >R > >'0? ZX-9R >'96 VFR (for sale) >'93 GS500 (for sale) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:15:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IEF1K21152 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9IDLpj11619607 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EDA3E5.F343D8E6@radix.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:21:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Red-Light Cams References: <4.1.20001018091159.00a263c0@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette Zell wrote: > > HOW would they put cops at every red light intersection? > I just don't see how this would work. take away those silly vascar devices, lidar guns & radar guns. Then, tighten the physical fitness requirements, make bavarian creme a 'banned substance' and they'll have p l e n t y of time on their hands... > I mean, I know most people on this list don't like cops overzealous TRAFFIC cops. there's a difference. > , but jeez, I'm sure > that some of them have more important things to do than be traffic > monitors. I know a few things they could take care of in my neighborhood > that I view as a bit more important than watching people obey traffic signals. quote the safetycrats 'if it saves just one life, it's worht it'... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:15:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IEF9K21163 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9IDIrj11569396 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EDA332.4D093C72@radix.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:18:42 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Red-Light Cams References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit People behave much better around a marked cop car than > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > they do around a red light camera... > Dave Yates > > --> This is too true. Hasn't anyone ever seen the caterpillar like > --> line that follows a single cruiser down the highway. The cop could > --> be rolling at 45mph in a 55mph zone and the cattle brains wouldn't > --> pass for 'fear'. If they'd just get out of the cruiser's way, they would be on their merry way, most expeditiously, but people insist on staying in front of them, in the left lane at 55... > --> > --> In Arlington, police cruisers are purposely left at busy > --> intersections and other places people tend to speed. This does have > --> a temporary effect to the locals. > --> > --> I believe Montgomery County experimented for awhile with to-scale > --> wooden profiles of state trooper cruisers on I-495. how Asinine. > IMO, this was > --> more dangerous than just doing nothing at all. People saw the decoy > --> and freak-slammed the brakes, nearly (and I don't doubt, actually) > --> causing a chain reaction pile-up. > --> > --> IMO, a $50 fine for running a red light doesn't seem to be nearly > --> enough deterrance. It's a money-mill. And it also leaves those > --> that would run a light with the impression that a simple monetary > --> loss is worth it. That puts everyone at risk. Hey, could we get a > --> creative law-suit against the gubmnt for negligence? I maintain that if traffic enforcement is TRULY about safety, and not a RICO conspiracy, then, the legislatures would be willing to institute a complete elimination of traffic fines & points for [at least serious] traffic offenses, & substitute either - community service or jail time. Then, when people can't just stroke a check for their misdeeds, drivers will behave much more politely... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:15:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IEFYK21173 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-217-218.s218.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.217.218] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13lu09-0004cm-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:15:30 -0400 Message-ID: <011f01c0390d$5f2210c0$4ad33ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <4.1.20001018093302.00a203e0@intertv.com> <39EDAA34.A3FB0F39@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Winter Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:09:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'll be riding all winter, except snow and ice, on the daily commute and on the weekends that aren't too cold. I winterize the rider, not the bike and a cold bike ride beats a warm Metro ride hands down. PW in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: Jeannette Zell Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Winter > I'll be riding off and on - easier and more fun than prepping a bike for > winter storage. > > Bill - lazy > > Jeannette Zell wrote: > > > So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? > > > > - Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:17:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IEHIK21183 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 14766 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 07:17:07 -0700 Date: 18 Oct 2000 07:17:07 -0700 Message-ID: <20001018141707.14765.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Oct 2000 14:17:07 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Oct 2000 07:17:07 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Website Goes Live! On Wed, 18 October 2000, "Christopher Weaver" wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Laura Granato and I would like to announce that the new DC Cycles website is > now live! See, for all of you who doubted this would happen...I told you it would!!!! I never make promises I can't keep. :-) I just want to give Chris a HUGE thumbs up. He took on a huge task all by himself and did an excellent job. And along the way, he had to put up with me sending him thousands of e-mails a day, and lots of nagging...gee, can't imagine that, huh? ;-) I know that the site isn't exactly how Chris wants it, but he wanted to release it today as not to disappoint anyone. Next time you see him, I hope everyone will buy Chris a drink of his choice. He REALLY deserves it. A huge pat on the back to Chris for a job well done! Amazing!!! Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:20:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f315.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.190]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IEKlK21263 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:20:38 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:20:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: uboser@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re(2): Cycles USA Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:20:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 14:20:38.0037 (UTC) FILETIME=[964DA450:01C0390E] The Cycles Sport Springfield store guys have been very good to my bikes over the years. They rebuilt the engine of my first bike after the timing chain went. They get the work done when they say they will and they give good advise. But its a small shop with an excellent reputation so they are not cheap and they are usually very busy. I think Bob and Ed are two of the best bike mechanics in the area, and they are both enthusiastic bikers. They take 10 % off if you have a valid AMA card. Tell them I sent you. Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX >From: uboser@XXXXXX (Ulrich Boser) >To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX >CC: rob_bell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re(2): Cycles USA >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:28:00 -0400 > > >Hello, > >I am a new to the dc-cycles list-serv but couldn't help following up on >Rob's question. Does anyone have a good service department that they would >recommend in the DC area??? > >Thanks, > >Ulrich >'82 GS 650 > >perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > >Rob, > > > >In my experience, the sales guys are no worse than usual - they'll even > >just > >shoot the breeze if they're not busy. The parts guys are generally very > >good > >- and they give a 10% discount to AMA members. The service department is > >slow and pricy, but they've never actually f'ed anything up that I've > >taken > >in. Of course, I've only been in the service department like 3 times in > >the > >last 15 years, or so... > > > >As always, YMMV... > > > >Perry > > > >>From: "Rob Bell" > >>To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > >>Subject: Cycles USA > >>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:38 -0400 > >> > >>I don't remember seeing anything in the many "dealer as evil incarnate > >>discussions" but for those of you who've dealt w/ Cycles USA in Silver > >>Spring > >>can you give me a heads up what to expect from sales or service depts? > >(I > >>know > >>they could at worst be runner up since the actual evil incarnate spot is > >>spoken > >>for) > >> > >>TIA. keep the shiny side up > >>Rob > >> > >>'0? ZX-9R (coming soon to a garage near me) > >>'96 VFR (for sale) > >>'93 GS500 (for sale) > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:20:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IEKoK21265 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 15701 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 07:20:42 -0700 Date: 18 Oct 2000 07:20:42 -0700 Message-ID: <20001018142042.15700.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Oct 2000 14:20:42 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Oct 2000 07:20:42 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: Laura's GNF report-long On Wed, 18 October 2000, HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX wrote: > > I bet I know what made Bryan crash! Laura had one of those pit boards that > said "BJ after race" held up. That's why she was in the middle of the track. > She wanted to be sure he would see it. hehe > I am laughing so hard right now I can hardly type...We could start an interesting thread here...what is better...racing a motorcycle or sex? Let's not go there because I know what that answer is (many racers have confirmed this for me---verbally, ya'll, don't be sickos!)...Someone even said it at the banquet the other night when they were accepting their award. Hmmm, guess us women lose out on this deal, huh? LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:23:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IENfK21282 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com ([208.213.159.68]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id KAA02329 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EDB134.AA18DC4B@pti.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:18:28 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Winter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Commute times double if I use the cage, so I'll be riding through the winter (again). Nelson (I can't feel my toes) Fernandez Jeannette Zell wrote: > So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:24:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IEOZK21292 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0G2M00F01QO4B8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:24:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G2M00DGAQO4IW@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:24:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) id <0G2M00801QO4QI@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:24:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0G2M00801QO1Q2@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:24:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0G2M006BJQNO5R@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:23:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:22:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Winter To: "Paul A. Wilson" Cc: dc cycles Message-id: <39EDB23C.E144C3F@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <4.1.20001018093302.00a203e0@XXXXXX> <39EDAA34.A3FB0F39@XXXXXX> <011f01c0390d$5f2210c0$4ad33ad0@palladio> "Paul A. Wilson" wrote: > > I'll be riding all winter, except snow and ice, on the daily commute and on > the weekends that aren't too cold. I winterize the rider, not the bike This is my plan, as well. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:27:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IER9K21369 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from navieg1.trw.com by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:26:55 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2000101807282606903 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:28:26 -0700 Received: from trw.com (dhcp183-116.fp.trw.com [129.193.183.116]) by RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:26:48 -0400 Message-Id: <39EDB318.95ADD63C@trw.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:26:32 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Weaver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Website Goes Live! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The page looks incredible, Chris! Great Job! Randy Christopher Weaver wrote: > Hi folks, > > Laura Granato and I would like to announce that the new DC Cycles website is > now live! > > We're both relieved that it's done (for now) and that you guys will now get > a chance to use the site. We'd like to thank Mike Troutman for his > continuing help with some of the site issues. Thanks also to all of you > dc-cycles members who have submitted material to make this site what it is. > > http://www.dccycles.com or http://dccycles.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:29:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net (relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net [38.9.157.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IETSK21381 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13luDT-0000pQ-00; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:29:15 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id S9V4D8PB; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:16:09 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: "Perry Coleman" , Cc: Subject: RE: Re[2]: Re(2): Cycles USA Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:32:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: The only problem I had with CAD was that they broke one of the vents on the side of a bike that I have, and they wouldn't fix it. -----Original Message----- From: Perry Coleman [mailto:perrycoleman@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:10 AM To: Rob_Bell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: Re(2): Cycles USA Rob, I won't swear to it, but I'm pretty sure that Cycle Accessory Discounters, in Gaithersburg, is a certified Kawasaki service center (or whatever.) In other words, I believe that they can do warranty work on Kaw's. You could call 301-977-7188 and ask. Dave (Yakov?) is the owner. They've been very good to me over the years. Perry >From: "Rob Bell" >CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" >Subject: Re[2]: Re(2): Cycles USA >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 9:42 -0400 > >okay, i'd rather deal in MD but... i've heard from several of you about >cycle >sport in springfield. does anyone know what the tax situation is if i buy >in >VA? i don't want to pay VA sales tax and then get nabbed again as soon as >i >bring it into MD. > >thanks for all the input. several people mentioned Myers Cycle in >Kensington >and I too have had very good experiences w/ them but i'm looking to get a >new >ZX-9R so they can't help on that one. > >keep the shiny side up >R > >'0? ZX-9R >'96 VFR (for sale) >'93 GS500 (for sale) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:31:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IEVHK21465 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19371 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:31:09 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001018103003.00d434a0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:31:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Winter In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001018093302.00a203e0@intertv.com> References: <4.1.20001018091159.00a263c0@intertv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:33 AM 10/18/00 , Jeannette Zell wrote: >So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? Should my bike stay running I will ride it all winter. As it is, Honda thinks my high wattage headlights are draining the battery. They refuse to admit that the RR may be toast. I may be in the cage more than I like for a while. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:32:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rottweiler.cwusa.com (rottweiler-dmz.cwusa.com [146.135.88.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IEWdK21475 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com (us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com [146.135.85.143]) by rottweiler.cwusa.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03536 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by us-cwi-exc-a10.cwi.cablew.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) id ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:32:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E903820564@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Braking was: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:32:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I've butt-surfed twice on my Honda from hitting the front brake (no back brake involved). Both times the roads were wet. And I didn't learn the first time :-( My opinion is in all cases but especially under less than optimal conditions, both brakes a preferable for straight line stops. That said - I only use the back brake for panic stops and to scrub off a little speed going into a turn. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Chuck Pena said: Just remember what Bill rides! %^) And my own personal experience is that I've never "butt surfed" from too much front braking, but have had at least one "exciting" moment from too much rear braking! In general, I think it's a good idea to know how to use both brakes. But I'm still front brake biased (even when using the rear, which is rare). I think the "mistake" too many newbies make is being afraid of the front brake and they end up using too much rear. This will almost always get you into more trouble than relying on just the front brake. What I really want to do is go to Freddie Spencer's school out in Lost Wages. Apparently, Freddie teaches and insists upon using the rear the trail brake into corners. Wahoo! Chuck From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:34:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IEY5K21485 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27079 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2000 14:34:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20001018143400.27078.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:34:00 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:34:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fred, I think you're taking the results of the Hurt report out of context. Overbraking the rear and not using enough front was what I understood the Hurt report to say. That is not the same as saying "Rear brake usage is the cause of most single vehicle motorcycle accidents." Practice. Use both brakes. The rear carries most of the weight of the bike under no braking, therefore, it has some braking ability until the weight gets transferred. Under straight line conditions, the mistake of underbraking the front leaves weight on the rear tire which allows it to assist in stopping. I doubt there are many of the riders on the list with your experience, for them, both brakes is the right answer. It may not be for you. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:35:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IEYwK21505 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA01651; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "LAURA GRANATO" , Subject: RE: DCCycles.com Website Goes Live! Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:35:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20001018141707.14765.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Aw, shucks... (blush) :^) Thanks to everyone for their comments. I hope the site will be useful to everyone. Cheers, Chris VTR blahblahblah -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 7:17 AM To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Website Goes Live! On Wed, 18 October 2000, "Christopher Weaver" wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Laura Granato and I would like to announce that the new DC Cycles website is > now live! See, for all of you who doubted this would happen...I told you it would!!!! I never make promises I can't keep. :-) I just want to give Chris a HUGE thumbs up. He took on a huge task all by himself and did an excellent job. And along the way, he had to put up with me sending him thousands of e-mails a day, and lots of nagging...gee, can't imagine that, huh? ;-) I know that the site isn't exactly how Chris wants it, but he wanted to release it today as not to disappoint anyone. Next time you see him, I hope everyone will buy Chris a drink of his choice. He REALLY deserves it. A huge pat on the back to Chris for a job well done! Amazing!!! Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:37:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net (relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net [38.9.157.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IEb4K21584 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13luKq-0001ab-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:36:52 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id S9V4D8PH; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:23:46 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: Subject: RE: Winter Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:39:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Ditto for me! -----Original Message----- From: Dave Paper [mailto:cerberus@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:03 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > I'll be riding off and on - easier and more fun than prepping a bike for > winter storage. > > Bill - lazy Make that 2 of us. Luckily, my commute is rather short (4 miles or so on slow roads) and is about to get shroters (3/4ths of a mile), so I'll probably ride all winter since parking is much easier on a bike when the company you work for has dedicated MC parking at the front door.. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Database Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs are both called "users". --Unknown From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:38:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IEc6K21594 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va18-31.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.95]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05511; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EDE18D.C31AFEF7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:44:45 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: LAURA GRANATO , HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Laura's GNF report-long References: <20001018142042.15700.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, BJ -- whatever that is! %^) -- is probably better than a stop-and-go penalty! %^) LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > On Wed, 18 October 2000, HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > I bet I know what made Bryan crash! Laura had one of those pit boards that > > said "BJ after race" held up. That's why she was in the middle of the track. > > She wanted to be sure he would see it. hehe > > > > I am laughing so hard right now I can hardly type...We could start an interesting thread here...what is better...racing a motorcycle or sex? From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:42:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IEgpK21680 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:42:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200010181042.AA131006886@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Reporting Aggressive drivers in Arlington X-Mailer: After twice seeing a Brain Dead Cager stop in traffic on Washington Blvd to let off a passenger (right next to a parking lot she won't turn in to), I called Arlington County police (703.558.2222 non-emergency). They took a report and said they'd send a letter to the car owner, advising of what had been reported, and asking them to drive more carefully and considerately. Interesting. Might help. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:49:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web905.mail.yahoo.com (web905.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.80]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IEnjK21761 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29464 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2000 14:49:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20001018144939.29463.qmail@web905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web905.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:49:39 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:49:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Winter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >So, who's riding all year and who's putting > their bikes up? It makes sense to me to put a bike up for winter. Bikes weren't designed to run in cold weather. I plan to ride as long as the daily high is expected to exceed 0M-0 F. I'll winterize the bike when that temp isn't expected to be reached for more than two weeks. Leon. Living in Virginia where we don't get winter. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:51:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f109.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IEptK21846 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:51:38 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:51:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: jzell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:51:38 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 14:51:38.0228 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB104340:01C03912] I ride all winter. Its the best way to get to work and its fun. Besides I love the looks I get from all the southerners around here who think its cold when its down to 20 degrees. >From: Jeannette Zell >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Winter >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:33:37 -0400 > >So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 10:56:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A565.pix.aol.com [152.163.165.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IEuRK21859 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gruntled.office.aol.com (gruntled.office.aol.com [10.4.136.237]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21652 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by gruntled.office.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-DTI62-02) with ESMTP id KAA21640 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:56:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: gruntled.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:56:20 -0400 From: Dave Paper X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Dave Paper wrote: > about to get shroters (3/4ths of a mile), so I'll probably ride all winter Hrm, I'm not sure where "shroters" came from, but in retrospect, I think I meant "shorter". Need more caffeine. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Database Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs are both called "users". --Unknown From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 11:07:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9702.mail.yahoo.com (web9702.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.138]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IF7VK22127 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001018150719.51539.qmail@web9702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9702.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:07:19 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:07:19 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: Those little chrome aux lights... To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone know who makes those little chrome auxillary lights? I've seen them on Guzzis and Beemers. They are about 2 inches across, and I think they may be the projector type. They're really bright. Anyone know the brand name? Thanks, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 11:13:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IFDZK22225 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G2M00A01SSVVD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:10:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G2M009C2SSURD@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:10:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) id <0G2M00801SSU5F@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:10:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0G2M00801SSS4P@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:10:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0G2M0072BSSETQ@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:09:50 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:08:54 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Fite VI stories To: Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39EDBD06.16F34128@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Todd Peer wrote: > This past one taught me (or rather reminded me) to pay > --> attention to the normal speed settings on Street Atlas 6.0. I got > --> greedy with points thinking I could out-run the anticipated speeds. > --> I don't know WHAT I was thinking ;-) I've found the longer the ride gets, the tougher it is to keep ahead of Street Atlas. I did bump the speed setting on interstates up a little bit, left everything else the default. I got ahead by as much as 45 minutes early on, but lost the advantage when doing the 10 mile gravel switchbacks out of Burkes Garden. Had to haul butt the rest of the way to finish on time. :) Your winning ride from last year still astounds me. According to Street Atlas, there was NFW you could do what you did. :) I really wish I could insert extra time for the stops in Street Atlas, that way I'd be able to come up with a much more precise riding plan. Otherwise, the Street Atlas directions were pretty good all day long. Ride report forthcoming. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 11:23:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f148.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IFMxK22403 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:22:51 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:22:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:22:51 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 15:22:51.0629 (UTC) FILETIME=[47B291D0:01C03917] I agree Leon, we only get winter for a few days or maybe 2 weeks at most every year. I've lived in northern VA for 15 years and I can't ever remember it ever staying below 0 F during the day. Staying below 32 degrees F for a week is somewhat rare... NEVERTHELESS!!!!! Winter riders should pay close attention to the manufacturer's recommendations for cold weather oil and radiator fluid (for water cooled bikes)!!! Also if you have an old battery (3-4 years) I'd replace it now. I change my oil and check the coolent in early December. My Honda PC has a temp gauge and when its below 40 F it barely gets off the "C". I'm told that this is normal. You don't need to winterize as long as you really use it every couple of weeks. You need to use it enough to fill 'er up with gas. Remember if you don't run it and fill 'er up, the gas will gum up. And thats Very Bad. >I plan to ride as long as the daily high is expected >to exceed 0M-0 F. I'll winterize the bike when that >temp isn't expected to be reached for more than two >weeks. > >Leon. >Living in Virginia where we don't get winter. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 11:34:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IFYRK22574 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G2M00N01TWJ01@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:33:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G2M00M7GTWJ0N@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:33:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G2M00K01TWJWC@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:33:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G2M00K01TWDUR@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:33:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G2M00K4LTW7AQ@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:33:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:32:47 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Winter To: Doug Allis Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <39EDC29F.52525B64@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Doug Allis wrote: > NEVERTHELESS!!!!! Winter riders should pay close attention to the > manufacturer's recommendations for cold weather oil and radiator fluid (for > water cooled bikes)!!! Not to start an oil thread here (actually, it's been a while, hasn't it?) but cold weather is the best reason I can think of to switch to a full synthetic oil. Mobil 1 15w-50 flows better than anything else I've ever tried when it's cold. Makes those cold early morning startups much easier to deal with. During the rest of the year, I'm happy with a synthetic blend, but I'll be switching to Mobil 1 again for the winter here pretty soon. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 11:35:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IFZOK22653 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9IFZIj11593792 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EDC32A.4A416E31@radix.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:35:06 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Doug Allis wrote: > > I agree Leon, we only get winter for a few days or maybe 2 weeks at most > every year. ??? our ideas of winter must differ quite a bit... > I've lived in northern VA for 15 years and I can't ever remember it ever > staying below 0 F during the day. I can ; Dec or Jan of 95 or 96, when we got the 'pelletized' freezing precipitation. the temps never left single digits at National or Dulles, and the bank & cage thermometers read below 0 F. > Staying below 32 degrees F for a week is somewhat rare... Thank GOD. > NEVERTHELESS!!!!! Winter riders should pay close attention to the > manufacturer's recommendations for cold weather oil and radiator fluid (for > water cooled bikes)!!! Also if you have an old battery (3-4 years) I'd > replace it now. I change my oil and check the coolent in early December. > My Honda PC has a temp gauge and when its below 40 F it barely gets off the > "C". I'm told that this is normal. > > You don't need to winterize as long as you really use it every couple of > weeks. You need to use it enough to fill 'er up with gas. Remember if you > don't run it and fill 'er up, the gas will gum up. And thats Very Bad. I must confess that last year, I got of lucky, I was not as diligent in riding on a regular basis, didn't use any Sta-Bil, etc, and by pure luck, had no carb problems... But, it wasn't always thus... I remember that V45 Magna, if it sat for more than 2 weeks in any temps, there were carb problems.... > > >I plan to ride as long as the daily high is expected > >to exceed 0M-0 F. BBBBRRRRRRRRRRR. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 11:37:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [63.48.69.168]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IFb3K22663 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:bergman@biber [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id e9IFahT11680 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:36:43 -0700 Message-Id: <200010181536.e9IFahT11680@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: bergman@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:16:22 PDT." <20001018121622.24411.qmail@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:36:43 -0700 In your message dated: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:16:22 PDT, Tid Gimer's pithy ruminations on were: => --- Bill Huson wrote: => > => > => > Bottom line - stop hard using rear brake, stop hard using => > front brake, stop hard using both brakes. Which stop was => => > the shortest? I rest my case... => => shortest stop is different from safest stop. i stay away => from the rear because it is only necessary in a panic stop, => and i haven't had any recently. when i do, i'll depress => the rear pedal....using it all the time is more dangerous => than helpful If you think the rear brake is so dangerous that you don't normally use it, what makes you think you'll be skilled enough to use it in an emergency? Without practice, you're _more_ likely to lock it up, thereby proving your own point. Why not just disconnect the rear brake entirely, so there's no chance of accidently using that scary nasty rear brake, and make your bike that much safer. => => even rear-brake teachers agree its more of a 70/30 (f/r) => balance. what are you recommending? => => how did i let myself get into another braking thread? Um, because maybe you'll learn something? => => => -- => tg -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 11:42:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f198.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.198]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IFg7K22741 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:41:59 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:41:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:41:59 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 15:41:59.0199 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3B3DAF0:01C03919] > > I'll be riding all winter, except snow and ice, on the daily commute and >on > > the weekends that aren't too cold. I winterize the rider, not the bike > > >This is my plan, as well. Ditto here. Too easy to cut/paste. Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 11:46:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f266.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IFkUK22822 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:46:23 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:46:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: iefbr142000@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Those little chrome aux lights... Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:46:22 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 15:46:23.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[90F3E5D0:01C0391A] Not sure if this is what you meant, but try: http://www.motolight.com/ Rob '98 VFR800 >From: iefbrfourteen >To: DCC >Subject: Those little chrome aux lights... >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:07:19 -0700 (PDT) > >Anyone know who makes those little chrome auxillary >lights? I've seen them on Guzzis and Beemers. They >are about 2 inches across, and I think they may be the >projector type. They're really bright. > >Anyone know the brand name? > >Thanks, > >Rich > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. >http://im.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 12:14:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f11.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IGEUK23277 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:14:22 -0700 Received: from 64.241.20.171 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:14:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.241.20.171] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:14:22 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 16:14:22.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A0C6A50:01C0391E] I'm an all year kinda guy....Lakeridge to Herndon...no weather too cold. I use no electrics, but I do have winter attire. I don't ride in rain or snow tho. Razz '99 ZX9R '89 LTD454 '86 LTD454 www.conflictedinterest.com >So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 12:17:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IGHMK23356 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-58.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.186]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16289 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EDF8D4.3340BE73@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:24:04 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Bike Night pics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, I am trying to "expand" the Bike Night website http://www.geocities.com/bikenight to include pics from the various Bike Nights. If you've got any pics, can you please send them to me? jpeg format. And let me know which Bike Night they're from. If you just have "real" pics and can't scan, I promise to return them if you send them to me to scan. Thanx! Chuck From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 12:20:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IGKoK23464 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4XHZCARK>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:20:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Lawn Order, Verkehr Schule, Accepting a License Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:19:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain It is gratifying to be a member of this list when reading the thoughtful and passionate offerings of one's fellow motorcyclists. Couldn't resist the temptation to chime in. As much as I am angered by BDCs charging through red lights, I loathe the lack of traffic enforcement responsibility manifested by jurisdictions which employ intersection (right-of-way violation) and thoroughfare (speed violation) watching cameras. There is no deterrent with the immediate and positive impact of a highly visible, uniformed officer directing/monitoring traffic. Dave noted the effectiveness of rush hour intersection control by LEOs on their hooves in Olde Towne Alexandria. Personally, I would rather have dental work than ride in that sh*t, and since my commute is relatively short, on mostly slow streets, I avoid it. My deepest sympathies to those who haven't the luxury. Unfortunately, because we accept the privilege of riding/driving under a state controlled system of licensing, by default we accept the state-defined limitations as well. I have never been one to encourage the growth of government intrusion in our lives, but there is an alternative to our current system, at work in another part of the world, which achieves vastly different results. I would be referring to the German system. If it cost adults around $1500 to attend traffic school; take a battery of tests covering knowledge of regulations, analysis of hypothetical situations based on traffic law, and practical demonstrations of skill in controlled and street conditions; and finally get licensed upon successful completion of the preceding hurdles -- how likely would it be that such drivers would respect traffic rules and their fellow motorists? Especially if licenses were revoked and the entire process had to be repeated for any major violation. If it cost the parents of children under the age of majority about $7500 to get their offspring licensed, and the privilege would be revoked until majority for any major violations -- how likely would it be that those children would be dogging my rear wheel in over-powered Neons? I don't know if that situation is exactly as I described it in Germany today. My knowledge is a little dated. However, it would be out of their national character for the situation to have altered very much. A million years ago, two of my buddies and I got our hands on a GL1000, only a few weeks old, when a young lieutenant was transferred unexpectedly out of headquarters battery (cue Country Joe and the Fish). This was my first sojourn into the motorcycling analog of rocket sled jockeying. Thank God it was in Germany. Whether hooning around the ringstrassen or attempting the land speed record on the autobahn, the one thing we could unfailingly depend upon was the behavior of the Conrads in cages. Too bad they couldn't say the same thing for us. There's a reason so few Germans die in traffic compared to motorists in the rest of the industrialized world. They not only know the d*amned rules, they have poignant incentives for obeying them. It's a point of pride actually. It would be difficult to get folks to submit to such a system in this country, especially since access to dependable mass transit leaves a lot to be desired. But when we know most of our woes are due to monkeys ignoring the rules or common courtesy or both, it does offer a certain attraction. Oh, well. I'm just carping. After all, how could a politician who likes his job seriously consider proposing such a thing? Crash Peoples Republic of Alexandria AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 12:20:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IGKsK23467 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001018162046.2472.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.189] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:20:46 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:20:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) To: bergman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > > > In your message dated: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:16:22 PDT, > Tid Gimer's pithy ruminations on dissatisfaction> were: > => --- Bill Huson wrote: > => > > => > > => > Bottom line - stop hard using rear brake, stop hard > using > => > front brake, stop hard using both brakes. Which > stop was > => > => > the shortest? I rest my case... > => > => shortest stop is different from safest stop. i stay > away > => from the rear because it is only necessary in a panic > stop, > => and i haven't had any recently. when i do, i'll > depress > => the rear pedal....using it all the time is more > dangerous > => than helpful > > If you think the rear brake is so dangerous that you > don't normally use it, > what makes you think you'll be skilled enough to use it > in an emergency? > Without practice, you're _more_ likely to lock it up, > thereby proving your own > point. Why not just disconnect the rear brake entirely, > so there's no chance of > accidently using that scary nasty rear brake, and make > your bike that much > safer. battley already did that for me....accidentally i ride 25k+ miles per year, i get plenty of practice using both brakes....save your lessons for someone that needs em. i take issue with bill huson's advice to use both brakes at all times. you want to defend him, fine. you don't have to be a prick about it. or do you? > => even rear-brake teachers agree its more of a 70/30 > (f/r) > => balance. what are you recommending? > => > => how did i let myself get into another braking thread? > > Um, because maybe you'll learn something? yeah, mark....yeah right!! and the name is tom, not tid. we've been waiting for another condescending jackass around here for quite some time. so good to have you contributing. these brake threads always bring out the real quality people around here -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 12:28:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IGS0K23576 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.26.c219194 (15901) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.20) with ESMTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:27:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:27:43 EDT From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Website Goes Live! To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <26.c219194.271f297f@aol.com> Kudos to Laura and Chris! The page is awesome! We need more bios though! Get them out there guys and gals! Jess From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 12:43:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IGhrK23861 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9IGhgj11002934 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EDD332.11E786E1@radix.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:43:30 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) References: <20001018162046.2472.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: ... > and the name is tom, not tid. we've been waiting for > another condescending jackass around here for quite some > time. so good to have you contributing. > > these brake threads always bring out the real quality > people around here There *have* been some good ones... maybe the website could contain a thread 'Hall of fame / Hall of Shame' ??? Just askin'... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 12:45:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IGjXK23940 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.c0.a9688c7 (15877) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web44.aolmail.aol.com (web44.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.5]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.20) with ESMTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:45:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:45:23 EDT From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: Re: Laura's GNF report-long To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_Part_39edd3a3-034c-28ec-010203040506" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: ------_Part_39edd3a3-034c-28ec-010203040506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hehe ------_Part_39edd3a3-034c-28ec-010203040506 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from web44.aolmail.aol.com (web44.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.5]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.20) with ESMTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:37:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:37:58 EDT From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject:Re: Laura's GNF report-long To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <69.be20617.271f2be6@aol.com> In a message dated Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:21:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LAURA GRANATO writes: << On Wed, 18 October 2000, HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX wrote: >> I bet I know what made Bryan crash! Laura had one of those pit boards that said "BJ after race" held up. That's why she was in the middle of the track. She wanted to be sure he would see it. hehe<< <> So does that mean that's what you WERE doing in the middle of the track? hehe < Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IGsiK24057 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.12.3a996fe (3977) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:54:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: <12.3a996fe.271f2fc8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:54:32 EDT Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Website Goes Live! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 7 Kudos to Laura and Chris on the new website! It TOTALLY KICKS ASS! I vote to give them the DC-Cycles KFA Award. Only one thing, though....you need more pictures of that Sean Jordan guy...... Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 12:57:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IGvBK24134 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.229]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA10101 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:00:21 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Cell Phones while Driving! Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:00:49 -0400 Message-ID: <002601c03924$f749f900$e500a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Okay, finally there is an affordable solution for all the cagers using cell phones while they drive! http://www.tl1000.com/humor/handsfree.jpg Couldn't resist, someone emailed me this :-) Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 13:01:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IH1FK24227 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9IH19j11480814 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EDD748.83671A62@radix.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:00:56 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cell Phones while Driving! References: <002601c03924$f749f900$e500a8c0@loudoun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary Foreman wrote: > > Okay, finally there is an affordable solution for all the cagers using cell > phones while they drive! HERETIC! > > http://www.tl1000.com/humor/handsfree.jpg > > Couldn't resist, someone emailed me this :-) Ok, it was humorous... I just hate to encourage cagers to be even less attentive... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 13:19:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from rottweiler.cwusa.com (rottweiler-dmz.cwusa.com [146.135.88.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IHJsK24463 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com (us-cwi-exc-a10.cwusa.com [146.135.85.143]) by rottweiler.cwusa.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA07908 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by us-cwi-exc-a10.cwi.cablew.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) id ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:18:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3BDB6337A881D311BDB20008C7EBB2E903820684@us-cwi-exc-a09.cwi.cablew.com> From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Those little chrome aux lights... Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:18:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" PIAA or others. I got mine from Rob Pemble at Sport Touring Accessories (new owner of the COT at the Gap). Check out http://www.sporttouringusa.com/ LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ -----Original Message----- From: iefbrfourteen [mailto:iefbr142000@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 11:07 AM To: DCC Subject: Those little chrome aux lights... Anyone know who makes those little chrome auxillary lights? I've seen them on Guzzis and Beemers. They are about 2 inches across, and I think they may be the projector type. They're really bright. Anyone know the brand name? Thanks, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 13:20:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IHK7K24535 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-129-18.s272.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.129.18] helo=bigfoot.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13lwsm-0002xx-00 ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:20:04 -0400 Message-ID: <39EDDBED.AE83C202@bigfoot.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:20:45 -0400 From: vulgar_power X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccwebsite@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Website Goes Live! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit all i can say is DAMN!! the new site looks excellent. and hey, my bike and i are there too, bonus! many many thanks to laura and chris for taking the time and having the interest to mastermind a new web presence for out little club. i do have on question tho... i know the majority of the list members ride sportbikes, but could since all bikes are involved couldn't there be pics of other kinds of bikes (cruisers, dual sport, etc) that either load randomly in place of the sportbike, or load when different pages are loaded? once again tho, thank you two for and awesome web site! Christopher Weaver wrote: > Hi folks, > > Laura Granato and I would like to announce that the new DC Cycles website is > now live! > > We're both relieved that it's done (for now) and that you guys will now get > a chance to use the site. We'd like to thank Mike Troutman for his > continuing help with some of the site issues. Thanks also to all of you > dc-cycles members who have submitted material to make this site what it is. > > http://www.dccycles.com or http://dccycles.com > > Please contact us at dccwebsite@XXXXXX if you have any additions to the > site or if you have any suggestions. This site belongs to all of you, and > with some cooperation we can make it a great tool for DC area motorcyclists. > > Look forward to features in the future such as a Chat Room and an archive > search. Both of these are in production now. > > Cheers, > > Chris Weaver > DCCycles.com Webmaster > '98 VTR1000F > > P.S. I'm trying to make sure that contributors are credited on the site. > Please contact me if you see material that you submitted appear without a > credit line. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 13:31:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f232.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.232]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IHUtK24693 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:30:48 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:30:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: idea of Winter (sort of cycles related) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:30:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 17:30:48.0399 (UTC) FILETIME=[2768B5F0:01C03929] > ??? our ideas of winter must differ quite a bit... That wouldn't be unusual!!!! I have to admit my idea of winter is probably a bit biased towards really cold and lots of snow. As in white Christmas 9 out of 10 years, studded snow tires for cars and skiing from Thanksgiving through April 30. I grew up and lived most of my life just outside a city in the snowiest metropolitan area in the country, that is, one with more than than 75,000 people. Syracuse NY averages about 150 inches a year (yes, that is more than Buffalo and any other place you can mention that has any real number of people around to notice). Only Syracuse never makes the news because the constant snow is so ANNOYINGLY common. There are lots of places that are colder though.... ;-) No, I did not ride a street bike through the winter. Although I do have to admit to blasting around on mini-dirt bike in about 2 feet of snow a few times..... It was fun but snowmobiles are better. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 13:33:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f173.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IHXmK24711 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:33:40 -0700 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:33:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:33:39 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 17:33:40.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DD087F0:01C03929] An excellent point, Tom. However, you really didn't have to prove it yourself... Perry p.s. Try to lighten up a little, OK? >From: Tom Gimer >To: bergman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:20:46 -0700 (PDT) > [SNIP] > >yeah, mark....yeah right!! > >and the name is tom, not tid. we've been waiting for >another condescending jackass around here for quite some >time. so good to have you contributing. > >these brake threads always bring out the real quality >people around here > > > > >-- >tg > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. >http://im.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 13:42:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IHgDK24898 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001018174202.26530.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.83.187] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:42:02 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:42:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Perry Coleman wrote: > An excellent point, Tom. However, you really didn't have > to prove it yourself... > > Perry > > p.s. Try to lighten up a little, OK? perry....how convenient that you chose to SNIP the parts where mark purposely destroys my name, tells me i have lots to learn about the subject at hand without knowing a goddamn thing about my riding, and uses silly fucking baby talk to make his alleged point. i'll lighten up when i feel the need, not when you decide i should. thanks so much for your contribution > >From: Tom Gimer > >To: bergman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 > dissatisfaction) > >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:20:46 -0700 (PDT) > > > [SNIP] > > > >yeah, mark....yeah right!! > > > >and the name is tom, not tid. we've been waiting for > >another condescending jackass around here for quite some > >time. so good to have you contributing. > > > >these brake threads always bring out the real quality > >people around here __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 13:49:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f196.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.196]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IHn9K24989 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:48:49 -0700 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:48:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:48:48 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 17:48:49.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABA491C0:01C0392B] Tom, It's a shame that you can't carry on a discussion without resorting to profanity or attacking other individuals. I really have nothing else to say to you. I sincerely doubt that you have anything of value to add to me, or this discussion, for that matter. Perry p.s. As for the snipping, I removed the parts that were irrevelant to my comment. Some people follow threaded discussions without needing every previous comment included in each subsequent post. >From: Tom Gimer >To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:42:02 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Perry Coleman wrote: > > An excellent point, Tom. However, you really didn't have > > to prove it yourself... > > > > Perry > > > > p.s. Try to lighten up a little, OK? > >perry....how convenient that you chose to SNIP the parts >where mark purposely destroys my name, tells me i have lots >to learn about the subject at hand without knowing a >goddamn thing about my riding, and uses silly fucking baby >talk to make his alleged point. > >i'll lighten up when i feel the need, not when you decide i >should. thanks so much for your contribution > > > > > > >From: Tom Gimer > > >To: bergman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 > > dissatisfaction) > > >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:20:46 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > [SNIP] > > > > > >yeah, mark....yeah right!! > > > > > >and the name is tom, not tid. we've been waiting for > > >another condescending jackass around here for quite some > > >time. so good to have you contributing. > > > > > >these brake threads always bring out the real quality > > >people around here > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. >http://im.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 13:56:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IHuUK25071 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9IHuLj11650088 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EDE439.D3A54EA0@radix.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:56:09 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: idea of Winter (sort of cycles related) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Allis wrote: > > > ??? our ideas of winter must differ quite a bit... > > That wouldn't be unusual!!!! I have to admit my idea of winter is probably a > bit biased towards really cold and lots of snow. As in white Christmas 9 out > of 10 years, studded snow tires for cars and skiing from Thanksgiving > through April 30. BRRRR. I've lived around here all my life, but after 8 weeks of boot camp at 110+ F E V E R Y day, my cold weather tolerance has never been the same... > I grew up and lived most of my life just outside a city > in the snowiest metropolitan area in the country, that is, one with more > than than 75,000 people. Syracuse NY averages about 150 inches a year (yes, > that is more than Buffalo and any other place you can mention that has any > real number of people around to notice). Only Syracuse never makes the news > because the constant snow is so ANNOYINGLY common. and the drivers up there actually know how to drive in it... > > There are lots of places that are colder though.... ;-) BRRRR... > > No, I did not ride a street bike through the winter. Although I do have to > admit to blasting around on mini-dirt bike in about 2 feet of snow a few > times..... It was fun but snowmobiles are better. *sigh* I could've had a dirt bike as a kid.... if my nimrod older brothers hadn't screwed it up for me... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 14:09:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9II96K25333 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 20220 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 11:08:59 -0700 Date: 18 Oct 2000 11:08:59 -0700 Message-ID: <20001018180859.20219.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Oct 2000 18:08:59 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Oct 2000 11:08:59 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) On Wed, 18 October 2000, "Perry Coleman" wrote: I missed most of this thread...is Gimer causing problems again? ;-) Just kidding. LAG > > An excellent point, Tom. However, you really didn't have to prove it > yourself... > > Perry > > p.s. Try to lighten up a little, OK? > > >From: Tom Gimer > >To: bergman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) > >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:20:46 -0700 (PDT) > > > [SNIP] > > > >yeah, mark....yeah right!! > > > >and the name is tom, not tid. we've been waiting for > >another condescending jackass around here for quite some > >time. so good to have you contributing. > > > >these brake threads always bring out the real quality > >people around here > > > > > > > > > >-- > >tg > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > >http://im.yahoo.com/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 14:14:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IIEOK25428 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001018181417.20465.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.83.187] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:14:17 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:14:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Tom, > > It's a shame that you can't carry on a discussion without > resorting to profanity or attacking other individuals. I > really have nothing else to say to you. I sincerely doubt > that you have anything of value to add to me, or > this discussion, for that matter. well, you will certainly be missed from this thread! again, thanks for helping! [note: profanity removed from this message for the hyper-sensitive] i'm happy to treat people in the same manner they treat me, perry. i find it quite funny that only the rebuttal remarks THAT I MAKE are considered "attacks" > p.s. As for the snipping, I removed the parts that were > irrevelant to my comment. Some people follow threaded > discussions without needing every previous comment > included in each subsequent post. ? not sure who this is directed at. you removed the parts that were illustrative of why i reacted as i did. it seems only fair to leave them in so people can make their own judgments. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 14:18:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IIIqK25528 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 20442 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 11:18:46 -0700 Date: 18 Oct 2000 11:18:46 -0700 Message-ID: <20001018181846.20441.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Oct 2000 18:18:46 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Oct 2000 11:18:46 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: web site comments Hi there! For things not working on the site, any comments you have, etc., please send them to us from the web site. There are a few places you can "contact us"--that way it goes to our hotmail account and Chris and I can sort through it there. Thanks for everyone who has commented on how you like it...you can post those to the list still ;-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 14:19:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IIJ1K25538 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9IIIrj11512267 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EDE981.D49DD81F@radix.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:18:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) References: <20001018180859.20219.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > On Wed, 18 October 2000, "Perry Coleman" wrote: > > I missed most of this thread...is Gimer causing problems again? ;-) Just kidding. We decided, I think while you were unsubbed, to have the quarterly brake thread a couple of weeks early. As you can see, it hasn't sat too well with some of the purists... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 14:21:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IILMK25627 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 20477 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 11:21:15 -0700 Date: 18 Oct 2000 11:21:15 -0700 Message-ID: <20001018182115.20476.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Oct 2000 18:21:15 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Oct 2000 11:21:15 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Stress Relief Ok, after all of this work on the site, after the nastiness going on between those on the list, since it's getting too chilly for bike nights, I decided we need some stress relief...if you are anit-gun...read no further. Send me an e-mail off list if you're interested in a "DC Cycles people go to the shooting range night." LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 14:33:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f42.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IIX4K25790 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:32:56 -0700 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:32:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: lgranato@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:32:56 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 18:32:56.0654 (UTC) FILETIME=[D59F46E0:01C03931] Laura, Yeah, apparently Tom likes to come out with "guns blazing" when his "expert opinion" is disagreed with. Then, he becomes whiny and abusive when called on it. And he's studying to be a lawyer, IIRC. Hopefully, he'll gain some self-control before he has to enter a courtroom. However, he does tend to provide for some amusement, even if he is ultra sensitive. ;^) Perry p.s. The website looks great. >From: LAURA GRANATO >To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX >CC: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) >Date: 18 Oct 2000 11:08:59 -0700 > >On Wed, 18 October 2000, "Perry Coleman" wrote: > >I missed most of this thread...is Gimer causing problems again? ;-) Just >kidding. > >LAG _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 14:36:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IIaUK25869 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-58.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.186]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14249; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EE196F.C4461585@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:43:11 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stress Relief References: <20001018182115.20476.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's keep this on-list. That way we can have a gun thread! %^) Anything has gotta be better than the damn front vs. rear brake thread. I'm in. The only thing as much fun as going around corners fast on two wheels is putting holes in things with a handgun! %^) Chuck LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > Ok, after all of this work on the site, after the nastiness going on between those on the list, since it's getting too chilly for bike nights, I decided we need some stress relief...if you are anit-gun...read no further. > > Send me an e-mail off list if you're interested in a "DC Cycles people go to the shooting range night." > > LAG > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 14:38:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IIcHK25879 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 20856 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 11:38:10 -0700 Date: 18 Oct 2000 11:38:10 -0700 Message-ID: <20001018183810.20855.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Oct 2000 18:38:10 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Oct 2000 11:38:10 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) > Yeah, apparently Tom likes to come out with "guns blazing" when his "expert > opinion" is disagreed with. well, the list does need to be entertained every once in a while in some way or another... > > And he's studying to be a lawyer, IIRC. > maybe he's just practicing on his argument techniques. > p.s. The website looks great. Thanks! we're pretty happy with it, and as it evolves, it's just going to get better! ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 14:44:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IIiZK25973 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 21001 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 11:44:29 -0700 Date: 18 Oct 2000 11:44:29 -0700 Message-ID: <20001018184429.21000.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Oct 2000 18:44:29 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Oct 2000 11:44:29 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: Stress Relief On Wed, 18 October 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > > Let's keep this on-list. That way we can have a gun thread! %^) > Anything has gotta be better than the damn front vs. rear brake thread. Hell yea...I could care less about the damn rear brake...thought you weren't supposed to use it anyways...;-) oh no...here we go again. > I'm in. The only thing as much fun as going around corners fast on two wheels is putting holes in things with a handgun! %^) I could think of *a lot* of other things that are just as much fun, but blasting holes into something is definitely cool. ;-) Let's do it, then. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 14:50:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IIoqK26152 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 8392 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 11:50:42 -0700 Date: 18 Oct 2000 11:50:42 -0700 Message-ID: <20001018185042.8391.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Oct 2000 18:50:42 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Oct 2000 11:50:42 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: not sure if this made it yesterday not sure if this ever made it to the list last night, so I'm sending it again. I am voting Andrew Culpeper as the DC Cycles racing team supporter of the year! Andrew has been to every race that I've been to this last half of the season...he's gone to VIR, Summit, and last week he rode his bike all the way to Atlanta for the GNF. I know the DC Cycles racers really appreciate seeing a familiar face that reminds them of home when they're traveling racing. next year we're going to have a more organized team and actually organize some events to get more support for our racers at the track! Just keep your eyes on the calendar on the Web site. ;-) Thanks again Andrew! Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 14:51:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IIpGK26162 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.229]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA11674 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:54:28 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: Stress Relief - Rear Brake Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:54:43 -0400 Message-ID: <005001c03934$e046e8c0$e500a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20001018184429.21000.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> I use my rear brake all the time. But after 33 years of riding I KNOW HOW to use my rear brake. That said, what the hell are those mirrors for? Objects in mirror no longer matter! Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:44 PM > To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Stress Relief > > > On Wed, 18 October 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > Let's keep this on-list. That way we can have a gun thread! %^) > > Anything has gotta be better than the damn front vs. rear brake thread. > > Hell yea...I could care less about the damn rear brake...thought > you weren't supposed to use it anyways...;-) oh no...here we go again. > > > > I'm in. The only thing as much fun as going around corners > fast on two wheels is putting holes in things with a handgun! %^) > > I could think of *a lot* of other things that are just as much > fun, but blasting holes into something is definitely cool. ;-) > > Let's do it, then. > > LAG > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 14:51:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f320.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.195]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IIpfK26172 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:51:33 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:51:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stress Relief Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:51:33 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 18:51:33.0386 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F3F0EA0:01C03934] Sign me up! Maybe we could start a thread on what kind of ammo and proper cleaning of guns. ;) (Ducking and covering) Rob '98 VFR800 Glock - 22 .40 cal >From: LAURA GRANATO >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Stress Relief >Date: 18 Oct 2000 11:21:15 -0700 > >Ok, after all of this work on the site, after the nastiness going on >between those on the list, since it's getting too chilly for bike nights, I >decided we need some stress relief...if you are anit-gun...read no further. > >Send me an e-mail off list if you're interested in a "DC Cycles people go >to the shooting range night." > >LAG > > > >________________________________________________ >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >http://www.peoplepc.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 14:52:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IIqDK26182 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9IIq5j10850375 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EDF14A.49417013@radix.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:51:54 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stress Relief References: <20001018184429.21000.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Hell yea...I could care less about the damn rear brake...thought you weren't supposed to use it anyways...;-) oh no...here we go again. > > > I'm in. The only thing as much fun as going around corners fast on two wheels is putting holes in things with a handgun! %^) > > I could think of *a lot* of other things that are just as much fun, but blasting holes into something is definitely cool. Anyone for a GP of the exploding targets ? -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 14:52:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IIqjK26192 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-215-165.s419.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.215.165] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13lyKQ-0000hb-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:52:43 -0400 Message-ID: <029f01c03934$19b8d4c0$13d33ad0@palladio> From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <39EDDBED.AE83C202@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Website Goes Live! Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:47:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 If I may indulge in a "me too" post, the new DC Cycles site is excellent. My bike and I are in there too, but in front of a dumpster? Trying to tell me something? ;) Kudos to Chris and Laura for their efforts. I'm enthusiastically recommending the new site to anyone interested in motorcycling in this area. I just emailed a bio blurb for inclusion in the members area. PW in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: vulgar_power > all i can say is DAMN!! the new site looks excellent. and hey, my bike and i > are there too, bonus! many many thanks to laura and chris for taking the time > and having the interest to mastermind a new web presence for out little club. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 15:05:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f221.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.221]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IJ5GK26473 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:05:06 -0700 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:05:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: lgranato@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stress Relief Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:05:06 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 19:05:06.0612 (UTC) FILETIME=[53F77F40:01C03936] OK. How do you feel about lanyard loops on pistols and revolvers? I feel that they are crucial for any cavalry-type use - specifically while shooting from a moving motorcycle [ob moto.] Unfortunately, many modern handguns do not provide such a loop. One of the features of the Beretta 92 that I appreciate it is the lanyard loop - although I believe that there are a couple of variants of the 92 that don't include it as well. Perry >From: LAURA GRANATO >To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Stress Relief >Date: 18 Oct 2000 11:44:29 -0700 > >On Wed, 18 October 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > Let's keep this on-list. That way we can have a gun thread! %^) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 15:09:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IJ9JK26484 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from navieg1.trw.com by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:08:50 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2000101812102127860 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:10:21 -0700 Received: from trw.com (dhcp183-116.fp.trw.com [129.193.183.116]) by RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:08:47 -0400 Message-Id: <39EDF530.B7EBE82C@trw.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:08:31 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: not sure if this made it yesterday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I second that nomination. It was really neat to see Andrew at the various far-flung events throughout the season. Randy LAURA GRANATO wrote: > not sure if this ever made it to the list last night, so I'm sending it again. > > I am voting Andrew Culpeper as the DC Cycles racing team supporter of the year! Andrew has been to every race that I've been to this last half of the season...he's gone to VIR, Summit, and last week he rode his bike all the way to Atlanta for the GNF. I know the DC Cycles racers really appreciate seeing a familiar face that reminds them of home when they're traveling racing. > > next year we're going to have a more organized team and actually organize some events to get more support for our racers at the track! Just keep your eyes on the calendar on the Web site. ;-) > > Thanks again Andrew! > > Laura From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 15:10:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IJApK26498 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.67.affb911 (3977) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:10:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: <67.affb911.271f4fa5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:10:29 EDT Subject: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 7 Finally! Something worth reading. Hey Tom, if you need some self-righteous people to piss off, let me know. I'll try and dig some up. I know we have some more jerks and smartasses out there! C'mon pipe in guys! Now's the chance! We haven't had any real action in here for a while. Let's see....ah....Here we go....People who don't wear helmets are morons, and so are the people who make love to their rear brakes. Also, people who disagree with concealed permits are pussies, as well as people who recycle their oil. Oh yeah, cruisers are for drunken slobs, and touring bikes are for people who can't hang. You should run your tire pressures at the highest amount printed on the tire, and you should use the heaviest weight oil you can find. WD-40 is an excellent chain lube; you should put it on twice a day. In addition to chroming your brake rotors, chrome your calipers and pads too. Harley's were never worth the money they were made of, and loud pipes save lives only when people aren't talking on their cell phones. (Which people should do; everyone has the right to speak freely whenever they want.) Shaft drive is for people who can't do simple maintenance on their bikes. Belt drive is for people living in the past. Electrics are for die-hard wierdos who don't know when to stop riding. And Widder is way better than that Gerbing shit. Countersteering works through vector velocities caused be gyroscopic forces of the rotating mass of the wheel and tire. Anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot. Also, you should always change your oil before the recommended period. Chuck Pena's smiley face has got to go; it looks like it was in a bad accident while wearing a tank top, shorts, flip flops, a helmet that wasn't strapped on, after doing wheelies in the 395 Tunnel with DC-Sportbikers. I prefer Dunlop D207s, because Metzelers don't wear for shit, Michelins are too God-Damn expensive, and Bridgestones are slippery pieces of wet feces. Also, all of the local shops suck, except for Coleman, because my friend works in their shop. I never pay anyone to mount my tires, because they always balance them, which is an unnecessary waste of my money and time. Also, I think Old Town and DC should both keep writing tickets, since they're trying to cut down on crime and they're not just doing it for revenue, no matter what Tom says. I think that covers everything. Hey, Jack, you still out there? Let me know if there's anything I missed. ;) Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 15:18:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f162.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IJIiK26651 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:18:20 -0700 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:18:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stress Relief Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:18:20 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 19:18:20.0691 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D465630:01C03938] Glock?!?! Harumph! Beretta rules! ;^) .40?!?!? Sheesh, couldn't make up your mind between 9mm or .45? ;^) ;^) Perry p.s. The above is humor. If you are humor-impaired, ultra sensitive, or just high strung, please delete this message and move on. >From: "Rob Keiser" >To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Stress Relief >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:51:33 EDT > >Glock - 22 .40 cal > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 15:25:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mail.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IJPCK26743 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.62.82805a8 (3316) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:24:50 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <62.82805a8.271f5302@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:24:50 EDT Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 Eternity23@XXXXXX writes: << Let me know if there's anything I missed. ;) >> Hey Sean, One thing you missed...minivans and SUV's RULE!!! Steve Broadstreet Winchester, VA From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 15:28:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A565.pix.aol.com [152.163.165.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IJS7K26827 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gruntled.office.aol.com (gruntled.office.aol.com [10.4.136.237]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11359 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by gruntled.office.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-DTI62-02) with ESMTP id PAA23255 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:27:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: gruntled.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:27:49 -0400 From: Dave Paper X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stress Relief In-Reply-To: <20001018182115.20476.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 18 Oct 2000, LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Ok, after all of this work on the site, after the nastiness going on between those on the list, since it's getting too chilly for bike nights, I decided we need some stress relief...if you are anit-gun...read no further. > > Send me an e-mail off list if you're interested in a "DC Cycles people go to the shooting range night." Somehow I think this will be a popular idea. Count me in :) Are there any rifle ranges around here, or is it mostly just handgun type places? -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Database Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs are both called "users". --Unknown From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 15:31:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IJV5K26921 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9IJUgj11810814 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EDFA55.EBA97521@radix.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:30:30 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stress Relief References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perry Coleman inquires: > > OK. How do you feel about lanyard loops on pistols and revolvers? I don't like 'em myself. Too much chance of getting snagged. > I feel > that they are crucial for any cavalry-type use - specifically while shooting > from a moving motorcycle [ob moto.] Unfortunately, many modern handguns do > not provide such a loop. One of the features of the Beretta 92 that I > appreciate it is the lanyard loop - although I believe that there are a > couple of variants of the 92 that don't include it as well. the compact versions, IIRC. Know anyone that does custom work on the 92F ? -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 15:33:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IJXaK26941 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9IJXMj11377254 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EDFAF5.4EAB2A7B@radix.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:33:10 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) References: <67.affb911.271f4fa5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > Finally! Something worth reading. Hey Tom, if you need some self-righteous > people to piss off, let me know. ...1 Let me know if > there's anything I missed. ;) You forgot the tag... :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 16:02:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IK2AK27385 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-58.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.186]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08825; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EE2AF7.F4DEE481@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:57:59 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) References: <67.affb911.271f4fa5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote : > > you should always change your oil before the recommended period. Chuck Pena's > smiley face has got to go; it looks like it was in a bad accident while > wearing a tank top, shorts, flip flops, a helmet that wasn't strapped on, > after doing wheelies in the 395 Tunnel with DC-Sportbikers. Hey Sean! You wanna piece of this??? And except for the above and your assertion that > Bridgestones are slippery pieces of wet feces you are absolutely, 100%, without a doubt, positively right! %^) Chuck %^) Pena From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 16:11:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f82.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.82]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IKB1K27504 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:52:37 -0700 Received: from 208.212.248.194 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:52:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.212.248.194] From: "Laura Granato" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Your Birthday Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:52:37 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 19:52:37.0986 (UTC) FILETIME=[F784A420:01C0393C] Chuck had an awesome idea for us to put up people's birthdays on the monthly calendars. If you would be so kind as to reply to this e-mail with your birthday month and day (you don't have to tell us the year if you don't want), we'd greatly appreciate. LAG _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 16:11:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IKBcK27514 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23115 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 13:11:32 -0700 Date: 18 Oct 2000 13:11:32 -0700 Message-ID: <20001018201132.23114.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Oct 2000 20:11:32 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Oct 2000 13:11:32 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) On Wed, 18 October 2000, Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: Sean: this is definitely going in the articles section on the web site...I'm going to check again, but I think you hit everything.... LAG > > Finally! Something worth reading. Hey Tom, if you need some self-righteous > people to piss off, let me know. I'll try and dig some up. I know we have > some more jerks and smartasses out there! C'mon pipe in guys! Now's the > chance! We haven't had any real action in here for a while. Let's > see....ah....Here we go....People who don't wear helmets are morons, and so > are the people who make love to their rear brakes. Also, people who disagree > with concealed permits are pussies, as well as people who recycle their oil. > Oh yeah, cruisers are for drunken slobs, and touring bikes are for people who > can't hang. You should run your tire pressures at the highest amount printed > on the tire, and you should use the heaviest weight oil you can find. WD-40 > is an excellent chain lube; you should put it on twice a day. In addition to > chroming your brake rotors, chrome your calipers and pads too. Harley's were > never worth the money they were made of, and loud pipes save lives only when > people aren't talking on their cell phones. (Which people should do; everyone > has the right to speak freely whenever they want.) Shaft drive is for people > who can't do simple maintenance on their bikes. Belt drive is for people > living in the past. Electrics are for die-hard wierdos who don't know when to > stop riding. And Widder is way better than that Gerbing shit. Countersteering > works through vector velocities caused be gyroscopic forces of the rotating > mass of the wheel and tire. Anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot. Also, > you should always change your oil before the recommended period. Chuck Pena's > smiley face has got to go; it looks like it was in a bad accident while > wearing a tank top, shorts, flip flops, a helmet that wasn't strapped on, > after doing wheelies in the 395 Tunnel with DC-Sportbikers. I prefer Dunlop > D207s, because Metzelers don't wear for shit, Michelins are too God-Damn > expensive, and Bridgestones are slippery pieces of wet feces. Also, all of > the local shops suck, except for Coleman, because my friend works in their > shop. I never pay anyone to mount my tires, because they always balance them, > which is an unnecessary waste of my money and time. Also, I think Old Town > and DC should both keep writing tickets, since they're trying to cut down on > crime and they're not just doing it for revenue, no matter what Tom says. I > think that covers everything. Hey, Jack, you still out there? Let me know if > there's anything I missed. ;) > > Sean Jordan ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 16:13:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IKDtK27590 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23236 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 13:13:49 -0700 Date: 18 Oct 2000 13:13:48 -0700 Message-ID: <20001018201348.23235.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Oct 2000 20:13:48 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Oct 2000 13:13:48 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) >>Hey, Jack, you still out there? Let me know if > there's anything I missed. ;) wait...what about SUVs???? I didn't see anything about those... ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 16:22:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IKM5K27738 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 10604 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 13:21:58 -0700 Date: 18 Oct 2000 13:21:58 -0700 Message-ID: <20001018202158.10603.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Oct 2000 20:21:58 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Oct 2000 13:21:58 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pawilson@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Website Goes Live! On Wed, 18 October 2000, "Paul A. Wilson" wrote: My > bike and I are in there too, but in front of a dumpster? I can't help where you decided to park. ;-) >I'm > enthusiastically recommending the new site to anyone interested in > motorcycling in this area. Very cool! Glad to hear it. This reminds me...if anyone wants, go ahead and add a link from your site to ours, or if you have a link you want us to add, let us know. > ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 16:29:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IKTpK27831 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27441 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:29:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) In-Reply-To: <67.affb911.271f4fa5@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You also forgot Snickers or Giggles or whatever her name was that rode her old man's Harley... -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 16:32:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IKWEK27923 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id QAA03049; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:32:01 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from david500 (w054.z064000083.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.83.54]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id QAA02210; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101c03942$65f120a0$36530040@blairdubilier.com> Reply-To: "Dave Cross" From: "Dave Cross" To: References: <005001c03934$e046e8c0$e500a8c0@loudoun.com> Subject: Re: Stress Relief - Mirrors Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:31:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > I use my rear brake all the time. But after 33 years of riding I KNOW HOW > to use my rear brake. That said, what the hell are those mirrors for? On my bike they seem to be there to check my elbows. Elbows should not be locked when riding and obvioulsy the makers of most sportbikes think that this is very important. Important enough that you are always given a clear view of your elbows and little else. dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 16:34:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IKYJK27933 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id QAA03830; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:34:13 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from david500 (w054.z064000083.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.83.54]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id QAA03088; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001901c03942$b49d3400$36530040@blairdubilier.com> Reply-To: "Dave Cross" From: "Dave Cross" To: "dc cycles" References: <39EDDBED.AE83C202@bigfoot.com> <029f01c03934$19b8d4c0$13d33ad0@palladio> Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Website Goes Live! Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:33:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Can we please have a picture of a helmetless rider waving a gun instead of that damn Rocket Bike. Those Rocket Bikes are bad for our image. Dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 16:35:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IKZvK28012 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-67.patriot.net [209.249.180.67]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9IKZmL22169; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:35:48 -0400 Message-ID: <39EE0937.BD7F6BC2@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:33:59 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Pena CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Christopher Weaver Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction References: <39EDD507.6A41E55A@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I ride motorcycles - in 30 years I've dumped four brands from 90cc street bike to 1340 Hawg from too much front brake in the wet. Kawi/yamahonker/suzuki/H-D - the honda brakes were too feeble to dump it. Bill Chuck Pena wrote: > Christopher Weaver wrote : > > > > Umm... speak for yourself here Bill. :^) I highly doubt that most of us have > > "butt-surfed" due to too much front braking. > > Just remember what Bill rides! %^) And my own personal experience is > that I've never "butt surfed" from too much front braking, but have had > at least one "exciting" moment from too much rear braking! > > In general, I think it's a good idea to know how to use both brakes. > But I'm still front brake biased (even when using the rear, which is > rare). I think the "mistake" too many newbies make is being afraid of > the front brake and they end up using too much rear. This will almost > always get you into more trouble than relying on just the front brake. > > What I really want to do is go to Freddie Spencer's school out in Lost > Wages. Apparently, Freddie teaches and insists upon using the rear the > trail brake into corners. Wahoo! > > Chuck From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 16:37:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IKbPK28032 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id PAA20693 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:37:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id PAA20689 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:37:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from prague ([160.207.46.86]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA13276; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001018163149.00a4eb00@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:32:17 -0400 To: Morris Berman , DC Cycles From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) In-Reply-To: References: <67.affb911.271f4fa5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Squeakers. But I like your names better. ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 04:29 PM 10/18/00 -0400, Morris Berman wrote: >You also forgot Snickers or Giggles or whatever her name was that rode her >old man's Harley... > >-Mb > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX >'96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 16:41:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IKf0K28046 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 2057 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 11:54:11 -0700 Date: 18 Oct 2000 11:54:11 -0700 Message-ID: <20001018185411.2056.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Oct 2000 18:54:11 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Oct 2000 11:54:10 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: robkeiser@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: Stress Relief On Wed, 18 October 2000, "Rob Keiser" wrote: > > Sign me up! > > Maybe we could start a thread on what kind of ammo and proper cleaning of > guns. ;) > > (Ducking and covering) Good god, Keiser. I finally got everyone off of that damn brakes thread and you're starting more $#%@!!!! We've got a lot of interest in this one...this should be fun! LAG Sig Sauer P239 9mm ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 16:45:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IKjbK28215 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-67.patriot.net [209.249.180.67]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9IKisL24149; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:44:54 -0400 Message-ID: <39EE0B59.2F122345@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:43:05 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: iefbrfourteen CC: DCC Subject: Re: Those little chrome aux lights... References: <20001018150719.51539.qmail@web9702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've seen those in Harley Davidson *dreaded accessories* catalogue and on a couple H-Ds. They mount on the crash bar of the FL models - veddy veddy bright. I figure 20 seconds to impact and the deer one hits would be cooked medium rare... Bill iefbrfourteen wrote: > Anyone know who makes those little chrome auxillary > lights? I've seen them on Guzzis and Beemers. They > are about 2 inches across, and I think they may be the > projector type. They're really bright. > > Anyone know the brand name? > > Thanks, > > Rich > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 16:48:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IKmtK28235 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-67.patriot.net [209.249.180.67]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9IKmgL24813; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:48:42 -0400 Message-ID: <39EE0C3C.4EF8A01B@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:46:52 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Allis CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit About that gas in winter down time. Go to a marine store or M/C shop and get the fuel additive to prevent gas from going bad. I use it lawnmower/weedwhacker gas and M/C gas. A month or more of sitting and gas starts going funky. Carb/injector gum will getcha... Bill Doug Allis wrote: > I agree Leon, we only get winter for a few days or maybe 2 weeks at most > every year. > > I've lived in northern VA for 15 years and I can't ever remember it ever > staying below 0 F during the day. Staying below 32 degrees F for a week is > somewhat rare... > > NEVERTHELESS!!!!! Winter riders should pay close attention to the > manufacturer's recommendations for cold weather oil and radiator fluid (for > water cooled bikes)!!! Also if you have an old battery (3-4 years) I'd > replace it now. I change my oil and check the coolent in early December. > My Honda PC has a temp gauge and when its below 40 F it barely gets off the > "C". I'm told that this is normal. > > You don't need to winterize as long as you really use it every couple of > weeks. You need to use it enough to fill 'er up with gas. Remember if you > don't run it and fill 'er up, the gas will gum up. And thats Very Bad. > > >I plan to ride as long as the daily high is expected > >to exceed 0M-0 F. I'll winterize the bike when that > >temp isn't expected to be reached for more than two > >weeks. > > > >Leon. > >Living in Virginia where we don't get winter. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 16:56:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IKu3K28327 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 24169 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 13:55:55 -0700 Date: 18 Oct 2000 13:55:55 -0700 Message-ID: <20001018205555.24168.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Oct 2000 20:55:55 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Oct 2000 13:55:55 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dave@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Website Goes Live! On Wed, 18 October 2000, "Dave Cross" wrote: > > Can we please have a picture of a helmetless rider waving a gun instead of > that damn Rocket Bike. Those Rocket Bikes are bad for our image. > How about a helmet-less rider, waving a gun, holding a beer, and talking on a cell phone? anything else, Sean? ;-) Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 17:00:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IL0FK28478 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G2N00M018YYY9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:59:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G2N00JMW8YYOI@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:59:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) id <0G2N006018YYVX@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:59:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0G2N006018YQUD@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:59:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0G2N005BF8YNQR@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:59:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:58:16 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: My FitE ride report To: Bryan Moody Message-id: <39EE0EE8.8D75B67@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Fellow riders, If you are interested, I've written up my experiences during the recent Feast in the East Rally in Morganton, NC. Thanks again to Bryan Moody for a quality event, and to Lisa Shea and Bob See for the pictures. http://www.tidalwave.net/~horstman/dalefite/dalefite6.html I had a wonderful time. Can't wait for next year. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 17:05:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IL4vK28488 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [153.39.168.51] by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjlmi13558 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:04:55 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mail218499@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:04:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Dick E. Anker" Subject: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1240219400==_ma============" --============_-1240219400==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Finally! Something worth reading. Hey Tom, if you need some self-righteous >people to piss off, let me know. I'll try and dig some up. I know we have >some more jerks and smartasses out there! C'mon pipe in guys! Now's the >chance! We haven't had any real action in here for a while. Let's >see....ah....Here we go....People who don't wear helmets are morons, and so >are the people who make love to their rear brakes. Also, people who disagree >with concealed permits are pussies, as well as people who recycle their oil. >Oh yeah, cruisers are for drunken slobs, and touring bikes are for people who >can't hang. You should run your tire pressures at the highest amount printed >on the tire, and you should use the heaviest weight oil you can find. WD-40 >is an excellent chain lube; you should put it on twice a day. In addition to >chroming your brake rotors, chrome your calipers and pads too. Harley's were >never worth the money they were made of, and loud pipes save lives only when >people aren't talking on their cell phones. (Which people should do; everyone >has the right to speak freely whenever they want.) Shaft drive is for people >who can't do simple maintenance on their bikes. Belt drive is for people >living in the past. Electrics are for die-hard wierdos who don't know when to >stop riding. And Widder is way better than that Gerbing shit. Countersteering >works through vector velocities caused be gyroscopic forces of the rotating >mass of the wheel and tire. Anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot. Also, >you should always change your oil before the recommended period. Chuck Pena's >smiley face has got to go; it looks like it was in a bad accident while >wearing a tank top, shorts, flip flops, a helmet that wasn't strapped on, >after doing wheelies in the 395 Tunnel with DC-Sportbikers. I prefer Dunlop >D207s, because Metzelers don't wear for shit, Michelins are too God-Damn >expensive, and Bridgestones are slippery pieces of wet feces. Also, all of >the local shops suck, except for Coleman, because my friend works in their >shop. I never pay anyone to mount my tires, because they always balance them, >which is an unnecessary waste of my money and time. Also, I think Old Town >and DC should both keep writing tickets, since they're trying to cut down on >crime and they're not just doing it for revenue, no matter what Tom says. I >think that covers everything. Hey, Jack, you still out there? Let me know if >there's anything I missed. ;) >Sean Jordan You think your so funny, don't you? Do honestly think you can shame all these people into not posting every sanctimonious, self-righteous peace of drivel they feel like venting? Wake up, nimrod! If you ever spent any amount of time with any of these sniveling pukes, I'm sure you'd give up motorcycling for good. I'm tired of all you idiot savants who post every little pseudo-technical piece of tripe they can come up with! And those who do barely speak fucking English! Some of these posts are unreadable! They don't seem to follow any form of syntax or organized form of writen communication I've ever seen! And then there are the rest of you who can't use their delete key and have to rush to the defence of the poor peon who can't even put air in his tire! What a bloody wad of douche-nozzles! Jesus Christ on a Pogo-Stick! It's too bad that people like Brian McCoy get chased off the list because they actually enjoy riding they're bikes instead of sitting in front of their computer whining about how big of an asshole Tom Gimer is, or Tom telling people "I know you are but what am I?" Its unfortunate that such a supposebly intelligent bunch of people have to sit around defecating at the mouth and then mass-producing it so they can be seen as holy and virtuous defenders of motorcycist rights. Can the phony holyer-than-thou act, people! You make me vommit! Tom, maybe you can quit foaming at the mouth and pissing people off for fun. You must sit around at home thinking of ways to alienate people with your scathing little diatribes. Dave and Perry; why let him get to you? Why dignify his answer with a response if you don't like it? All your doing is exactly what he wants! Don't be such reactionary little cockbiters. You myopic little shitballs are all the same. You know what, I take that back. Keep on acting like the bunch of pretentious little fuckwipes that you are. Let the rest of us reasonable people sit back and watch you scurry back and forth like retards in a glass recycling plant. Back to lurkmode. -- Dick E. Anker, Esq. --============_-1240219400==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler me
>Finally! Something worth reading. Hey Tom, if you need some self-righteous
>people to piss off, let me know. I'll try and dig some up. I know we have
>some more jerks and smartasses out there! C'mon pipe in guys! Now's the
>chance! We haven't had any real action in here for a while. Let's
>see....ah....Here we go....People who don't wear helmets are morons, and so
>are the people who make love to their rear brakes. Also, people who disagree
>with concealed permits are pussies, as well as people who recycle their oil.
>Oh yeah, cruisers are for drunken slobs, and touring bikes are for people who
>can't hang. You should run your tire pressures at the highest amount printed
>on the tire, and you should use the heaviest weight oil you can find. WD-40
>is an excellent chain lube; you should put it on twice a day. In addition to
>chroming your brake rotors, chrome your calipers and pads too. Harley's were
>never worth the money they were made of, and loud pipes save lives only when
>people aren't talking on their cell phones. (Which people should do; everyone
>has the right to speak freely whenever they want.) Shaft drive is for people
>who can't do simple maintenance on their bikes. Belt drive is for people
>living in the past. Electrics are for die-hard wierdos who don't know when to
>stop riding. And Widder is way better than that Gerbing shit. Countersteering
>works through vector velocities caused be gyroscopic forces of the rotating
>mass of the wheel and tire. Anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot. Also,
>you should always change your oil before the recommended period. Chuck Pena's
>smiley face has got to go; it looks like it was in a bad accident while
>wearing a tank top, shorts, flip flops, a helmet that wasn't strapped on,
>after doing wheelies in the 395 Tunnel with DC-Sportbikers. I prefer Dunlop
>D207s, because Metzelers don't wear for shit, Michelins are too God-Damn
>expensive, and Bridgestones are slippery pieces of wet feces. Also, all of
>the local shops suck, except for Coleman, because my friend works in their
>shop. I never pay anyone to mount my tires, because they always balance them,
>which is an unnecessary waste of my money and time. Also, I think Old Town
>and DC should both keep writing tickets, since they're trying to cut down on
>crime and they're not just doing it for revenue, no matter what Tom says. I
>think that covers everything. Hey, Jack, you still out there? Let me know if
>there's anything I missed. ;)

>Sean Jordan

<rant>You think your so funny, don't you? Do honestly think you can shame all these people into not posting every sanctimonious, self-righteous peace of drivel they feel like venting? Wake up, nimrod! If you ever spent any amount of time with any of these sniveling pukes, I'm sure you'd give up motorcycling for good. I'm tired of all you idiot savants who post every little pseudo-technical piece of tripe they can come up with! And those who do barely speak fucking English! Some of these posts are unreadable! They don't seem to follow any form of syntax or organized form of writen communication I've ever seen! And then there are the rest of you who can't use their delete key and have to rush to the defence of the poor peon who can't even put air in his tire! What a bloody wad of douche-nozzles! Jesus Christ on a Pogo-Stick! It's too bad that people like Brian McCoy get chased off the list because they actually enjoy riding they're bikes instead of sitting in front of their computer whining about how big of an asshole Tom Gimer is, or Tom telling people "I know you are but what am I?" Its unfortunate that such a supposebly intelligent bunch of people have to sit around defecating at the mouth and then mass-producing it so they can be seen as holy and virtuous defenders of motorcycist rights. Can the phony holyer-than-thou act, people! You make me vommit! Tom, maybe you can quit foaming at the mouth and pissing people off for fun. You must sit around at home thinking of ways to alienate people with your scathing little diatribes. Dave and Perry; why let him get to you? Why dignify his answer with a response if you don't like it? All your doing is exactly what he wants! Don't be such reactionary little cockbiters. You myopic little shitballs are all the same. You know what, I take that back. Keep on acting like the bunch of pretentious little fuckwipes that you are. Let the rest of us reasonable people sit back and watch you scurry back and forth like retards in a glass recycling plant. </rant>
Back to lurkmode.


--
Dick E. Anker, Esq.
--============_-1240219400==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 17:12:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ILCEK28637 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-67.patriot.net [209.249.180.67]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9ILC6L28983; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:12:07 -0400 Message-ID: <39EE11BA.298A2355@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:10:18 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Perry Coleman CC: lgranato@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stress Relief References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, don't own a gun but I kinda like the H&K MP5 - has a sling, folding stock, compact and easy to tote... Did I mention the silencer? Bill Perry Coleman wrote: > OK. How do you feel about lanyard loops on pistols and revolvers? I feel > that they are crucial for any cavalry-type use - specifically while shooting > from a moving motorcycle [ob moto.] Unfortunately, many modern handguns do > not provide such a loop. One of the features of the Beretta 92 that I > appreciate it is the lanyard loop - although I believe that there are a > couple of variants of the 92 that don't include it as well. > > Perry > > >From: LAURA GRANATO > >To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX > >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Stress Relief > >Date: 18 Oct 2000 11:44:29 -0700 > > > >On Wed, 18 October 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > > > > Let's keep this on-list. That way we can have a gun thread! %^) > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 17:30:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ILUZK28934 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id RAA27176; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:30:25 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from david500 (w054.z064000083.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.83.54]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id RAA26027; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00d301c0394a$8eaadf60$36530040@blairdubilier.com> Reply-To: "Dave Cross" From: "Dave Cross" To: References: Subject: Dick's rant Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:29:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler me You think your so funny, don't you . . . . . . . Keep on acting like the bunch of pretentious little fuckwipes that you are . . . . Man, why do I get the feeling that if we were all postal workers some of us would be dead? Let the rest of us reasonable people sit back and watch you scurry back and forth like retards in a glass recycling plant. That is my favorite line . . . "like retards in a glass recycling plant." I'm gonna use that one. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 17:31:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9ILUwK28944 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001018194408.7100.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.41] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:44:08 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:44:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) To: Perry Coleman , lgranato@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Laura, > > Yeah, apparently Tom likes to come out with "guns > blazing" when his "expert opinion" is disagreed with. > Then, he becomes whiny and abusive when called on it. just a couple things: 1. produce one shred of evidence that i consider mine to be an "expert opinion" on any subject; 2. produce one shred of evidence that i've ever been even remotely as "whiny" as your last 2 posts i think being firm and standing behind one's viewpoints/opinions is a good quality....and i get plenty of private emails indicating that i'm not the only one who feels that way. i don't intend to change in order to make anybody else happy. and i won't comment on this again unless provoked :) that being said, best of luck to all in their chosen braking and/or shooting methods. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 17:34:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mail.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ILY4K28956 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 1.92.b4936b1 (4462); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:33:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <92.b4936b1.271f7134@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:33:40 EDT Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction To: bhuson@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, chris.weaver@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 In a message dated 10/18/00 4:40:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: << I ride motorcycles - in 30 years I've dumped four brands from 90cc street bike to 1340 Hawg from too much front brake in the wet. >> Really, shouldn't respond to the above but what the heck. You clamp down on the front or the rear in the rain and you are going to crash; sheeeeesh. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 17:37:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mail.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ILb0K29043 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id i.e4.bcfd5d5 (15887); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web27.aolmail.aol.com (web27.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.3]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.20) with ESMTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:36:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:36:28 EDT From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Your Birthday To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: In a message dated Wed, 18 Oct 2000 4:12:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Laura Granato" writes: << Chuck had an awesome idea for us to put up people's birthdays on the monthly calendars.>> <> Woohoo! And just in time for MY birtday! October 30th, 1967. It was the best day EVER! hehe Tell everyone to bring lots of gifts, preferrably FZR400 parts (fairings, clutch spring, etc.), tires (preferrably Pirellis in a DOT, slick, and rains), spares (whatever you've got in your garage that will fit), gloves (size XS), boots (size 6-7).....well, you get the idea. :o) Anybody wanna come to Morgantown and party with me on my birthday? :o) Uh oh, did I just say that out loud? Should I be afraid? Jess From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 17:47:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9ILlhK29251 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.29.b8ee10f (4224) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:47:35 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: <29.b8ee10f.271f7477@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:47:35 EDT Subject: Re: Pissing contests To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 In a message dated 10/18/00 5:07:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mail218499@XXXXXX writes: << You make me vommit! >> You..uh....misspelled vomit.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 18:08:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IM8CK29628 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-129-18.s272.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.129.18] helo=bigfoot.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13m1Na-00067l-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:08:10 -0400 Message-ID: <39EE1F75.995572CF@bigfoot.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:08:53 -0400 From: vulgar_power X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Website Goes Live! References: <20001018205555.24168.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well ok, you talked me into it... but only if i can use my Heineken (sp?) bottle cooler... or how 'bout someone wearing UDT shorts, teva sandals, and a backpack... with a girl in a thong bikini on the back... sarcasm intended, please don't take post seriously -j '00 ACE 750 LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Wed, 18 October 2000, "Dave Cross" wrote: > > > > > Can we please have a picture of a helmetless rider waving a gun instead of > > that damn Rocket Bike. Those Rocket Bikes are bad for our image. > > > > How about a helmet-less rider, waving a gun, holding a beer, and talking on a cell phone? anything else, Sean? ;-) > > Laura > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 18:10:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IMAVK29652 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001018221024.1279.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.41] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:10:24 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:10:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) To: "Dick E. Anker" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Dick E. Anker" wrote: > You think your so funny, don't you? Do honestly > think you can shame all these people into not posting > every sanctimonious, self-righteous peace of drivel they > feel like venting? Wake up, nimrod! > It's too bad that people like Brian > McCoy get chased off the list because they actually > enjoy riding they're bikes instead of sitting in front of > their computer whining about how big of an asshole Tom > Gimer is, or Tom telling people "I know you are but what > am I?" i do feel bad about the Brian McCoy thing....and i told him i didn't think he should leave privately. _most_ of his input i do miss. > Tom, maybe you can quit > foaming at the mouth and pissing people off for fun. You > must sit around at home thinking of ways to alienate > people with your scathing little diatribes. i can at least try.....but if continuing with the status quo ante inspires more posts like the one you just made, there ain't no way i'm changin'. what you have done here definitely deserves recognition, perhaps even on the new website. > Dave and > Perry; why let him get to you? Why dignify his answer > with a response if you don't like it? All your > doing is exactly what he wants! Don't be such reactionary > little cockbiters. You myopic little shitballs are all > the same. You know what, I take that back. Keep on acting > like the bunch of pretentious little fuckwipes that you > are. Let the rest of us reasonable people sit back and > watch you scurry back and forth like retards in a glass > recycling plant. what a finish this was too! i'm stunned. i hereby relinquish my throne to the new king 'yanker'! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 18:19:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IMJ6K29817 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id r.c1.7dc3850 (4462); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:18:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:18:21 EDT Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) To: t_gimer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 In a message dated 10/18/00 6:13:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: << i do feel bad about the Brian McCoy thing....and i told him i didn't think he should leave privately. _most_ of his input i do miss. >> ahhhhh, but I get to read Brian's posts on another list, always informative and entertaining. he is getting a job in Florida with a classy racing product company by the way. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 18:21:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9IMLOK29896 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001018222117.16941.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.41] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:21:17 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:21:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) To: Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 10/18/00 6:13:07 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > << i do feel bad about the Brian McCoy thing....and i > told him i didn't think he should leave privately. > _most_ of his input i do miss. >> > > ahhhhh, but I get to read Brian's posts on another list, > always informative and entertaining. he is getting a job > in Florida with a classy racing product company by the > way. good for him! i mean that. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 18:44:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IMiUK00321 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.168.221.133]) by mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:44:01 -0400 Message-ID: <39EE27B9.874AD048@cox.rr.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:44:09 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DCCycles.com Website Alerts Section References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice work - love the alerts section. I can vouch for Glebe Rd from personal experience, almost 2 years ago. The cop sits in the 25 mph section, about 20 yards before the speed limit goes up to 35. Anybody have more? Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 18:59:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mail.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IMxHK00574 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 8.50.c470dd4 (4532); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:59:02 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <50.c470dd4.271f8535@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:59:01 EDT Subject: Re: Winter To: jzell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 In a message dated 10/18/2000 9:32:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jzell@XXXXXX writes: << So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? - Jeannette >> I technically never put my bike up for the winter. I do put fuel stabilizer in it and ride when there's no snow on the ground. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 19:04:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mail.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IN45K00691 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id r.6.ce58194 (3985); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:02:07 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6.ce58194.271f85ef@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:02:07 EDT Subject: Re: Those little chrome aux lights... To: iefbr142000@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 Kuryakyn ( http://www.kuryakyn.com/ ) makes aux lights for Harleys and metric cruisers. Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 19:37:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9INbCK01275 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj133739a ([24.15.184.123]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001018233643.EFX8625.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj133739a>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:36:43 -0700 Message-ID: <027501c0395b$dd94d660$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> From: "Keith Lamond" To: , "Jeannette Zell" References: <4.1.20001018093302.00a203e0@intertv.com> Subject: Re: Winter Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:33:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 It doesn't get that cold in the DC area. While my riding may get limited, it's definitely not going to stop during winter. Keith 84 Nighthawk S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeannette Zell" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:33 AM Subject: Winter > So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 19:46:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9INjRK01420 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj133739a ([24.15.184.123]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001018234436.BNC11636.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj133739a>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:44:36 -0700 Message-ID: <028b01c0395c$f728e200$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> From: "Keith Lamond" To: "Christopher Weaver" , References: Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Website Goes Live! Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:41:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Good job, Great looking site. Keith 84 Nighthawk S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 12:49 PM Subject: DCCycles.com Website Goes Live! > Hi folks, > > Laura Granato and I would like to announce that the new DC Cycles website is > now live! > > We're both relieved that it's done (for now) and that you guys will now get > a chance to use the site. We'd like to thank Mike Troutman for his > continuing help with some of the site issues. Thanks also to all of you > dc-cycles members who have submitted material to make this site what it is. > > http://www.dccycles.com or http://dccycles.com > > Please contact us at dccwebsite@XXXXXX if you have any additions to the > site or if you have any suggestions. This site belongs to all of you, and > with some cooperation we can make it a great tool for DC area motorcyclists. > > Look forward to features in the future such as a Chat Room and an archive > search. Both of these are in production now. > > Cheers, > > Chris Weaver > DCCycles.com Webmaster > '98 VTR1000F > > P.S. I'm trying to make sure that contributors are credited on the site. > Please contact me if you see material that you submitted appear without a > credit line. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 20:53:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9J0rBK02470 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001019005308.GNN27222.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:53:08 -0700 Message-ID: <005701c03964$9fe0da40$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: Subject: Re: Winter Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:36:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Although I will wimp-out if there's much of a chance of > precipitation when the temp is in the 30's, or below. > > Perry Perry that's not wimping-out, that smart. James From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 20:55:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9J0t0K02491 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001019005456.ALP376.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:54:56 -0700 Message-ID: <006801c03964$deef2020$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: Subject: Fw: Winter Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:38:07 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I intend to continue riding but this my first winter with a bike so we'll see. Can't be much colder then a top-down Jeep in January though, at least I'll have a full-face lid on. James > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeannette Zell" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:33 AM > Subject: Winter > > > > So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? > > > > - Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 21:46:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9J1kaK03324 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 3652 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 18:46:19 -0700 Received: from 1Cust94.tnt10.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.39.89.94) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 18 Oct 2000 18:46:19 -0700 X-Sent: 19 Oct 2000 01:46:19 GMT Message-ID: <007201c0396e$8823b080$5e59273f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , "Dick E. Anker" References: Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4dissatisfaction) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:47:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C0394C.FF66D180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C0394C.FF66D180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler me>>Back to lurkmode Wow! This definitely wins the award of the year for most idiodic post = I have ever seen. First of all, do you have an education? or maybe I = should spell it so you can understand...du u hav en educashun? = (referring to all of the wonderful misspellings you made throughout your = post...shit, even spell check would pick those up) Second...nice use of = foul language...very impressive! I bet you get all the ladies, don't = you? Big man who sits on lurk mode then decides to bash the entire list = out of nowhere. Well, if we're so pathetic...you must be too if you're = sitting around reading our stuff all day. Hmmm, maybe I could devote a = section of the Web site specifically to you...we could call it Dick's = corner...we could post your reactions to all of the stupid shit we = write...I bet it would get the most hits. Well, enjoy lurk-mode...we'll all be anxiously awaiting your next = post. LAG ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C0394C.FF66D180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler = me
>>Back to lurkmode
 
Wow! This definitely wins the award of the year for most idiodic = post I=20 have ever seen.  First of all, do you have an education? or maybe = I=20 should spell it so you can understand...du u hav en = educashun? (referring=20 to all of the wonderful misspellings you made throughout your = post...shit,=20 even spell check would pick those up) Second...nice use of foul=20 language...very impressive!  I bet you get all the ladies, don't=20 you?
 
 Big man who sits on lurk mode then decides to bash the = entire list=20 out of nowhere.  Well, if we're so pathetic...you must be too if = you're=20 sitting around reading our stuff all day.  Hmmm, maybe I could = devote a=20 section of the Web site specifically to you...we could call = it Dick's=20 corner...we could post your reactions to all of the stupid shit we = write...I=20 bet it would get the most hits.
 
Well, enjoy lurk-mode...we'll all be anxiously awaiting your next = post.
 
LAG
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C0394C.FF66D180-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 21:50:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mail.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9J1oUK03419 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.48.c56f8cc (4211) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:50:10 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <48.c56f8cc.271fad52@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:50:10 EDT Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 104 Back brakes work just fine... when you've run out of pavement. :) Little trick - under hard braking, grab the tank with your knees instead of allowing your weight to transfer onto your wrists (and the front end). You've just changed the bias of 100 -200 lbs of weight. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 21:56:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9J1txK03441 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001019015555.BUB13582.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:55:55 -0700 Message-ID: <017201c0396d$39d12440$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <007201c0396e$8823b080$5e59273f@oemcomputer> Subject: DCCycles.com Problems? Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:38:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_016F_01C0394B.B2733900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_016F_01C0394B.B2733900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler meIs anyone else = having trouble hitting the DC-Cycles site? James ------=_NextPart_000_016F_01C0394B.B2733900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler = me
Is anyone else having trouble hitting the DC-Cycles=20 site?
 
James
------=_NextPart_000_016F_01C0394B.B2733900-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 22:07:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9J27VK03679 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 16114 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 19:06:44 -0700 Received: from 1Cust94.tnt10.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.39.89.94) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 18 Oct 2000 19:06:44 -0700 X-Sent: 19 Oct 2000 02:06:44 GMT Message-ID: <00e801c03971$6211df40$5e59273f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "James Reazor" , References: <007201c0396e$8823b080$5e59273f@oemcomputer> <017201c0396d$39d12440$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Problems? Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:07:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C0394F.D965C920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C0394F.D965C920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler menope...are you = using www.dccycles.com? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Reazor=20 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:38 PM Subject: DCCycles.com Problems? Is anyone else having trouble hitting the DC-Cycles site? =20 James ------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C0394F.D965C920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler = me
nope...are you using www.dccycles.com?
 
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From:=20 James = Reazor=20
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Sent: Wednesday, October 18, = 2000 9:38=20 PM
Subject: DCCycles.com = Problems?

Is anyone else having trouble hitting the = DC-Cycles=20 site?
 
James
------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01C0394F.D965C920-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 22:07:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9J27qK03689 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 6147 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 19:06:07 -0700 Received: from 1Cust94.tnt10.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.39.89.94) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 18 Oct 2000 19:06:07 -0700 X-Sent: 19 Oct 2000 02:06:07 GMT Message-ID: <00dd01c03971$4c336c20$5e59273f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Tom Gimer" , "Dick E. Anker" , References: <20001018221024.1279.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:07:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > It's too bad that people like Brian > > McCoy get chased off the list because they actually > > enjoy riding they're bikes instead of sitting in front of > > their computer whining about how big of an asshole Tom > > Gimer is, or Tom telling people "I know you are but what > > am I?" > > i do feel bad about the Brian McCoy thing....and i told him > i didn't think he should leave privately. _most_ of his > input i do miss. > Just some input from a friend of Brian's...Brian was not chased off the list...yea, there were some problems, but don't we all argue with each other at some point? Brian chose to leave even after he received many posts from people asking him not to leave. He left on his own...wasn't chased. > > i can at least try.....but if continuing with the status > quo ante inspires more posts like the one you just made, > there ain't no way i'm changin'. what you have done here > definitely deserves recognition, perhaps even on the new > website. Right on Tom! I agree with you, I even offered Dick Yanker...oops, I mean Dick Anker, his own section. From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 22:21:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9J2LUK03907 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va18-18.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.82]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA13817; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EE8606.BDF4AC0B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:26:30 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Cross CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Website Goes Live! References: <39EDDBED.AE83C202@bigfoot.com> <029f01c03934$19b8d4c0$13d33ad0@palladio> <001901c03942$b49d3400$36530040@blairdubilier.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I second that motion! %^) BTW, full-auto would be preferable. Dave Cross wrote: > > Can we please have a picture of a helmetless rider waving a gun instead of > that damn Rocket Bike. Those Rocket Bikes are bad for our image. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 22:28:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9J2SIK03999 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va18-18.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.82]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA19736 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EE87A7.3428F9F4@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:33:27 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) References: <20001018221024.1279.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, that would be "wanker" aka "tosser". But Dick certainly gets my vote for DC-Cycles "Troll of the Year"! Chuck Tom Gimer wrote : > > i hereby relinquish my throne to the new king 'yanker'! -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 22:31:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r03.mail.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9J2VtK04083 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.d3.b4f7808 (4312) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:31:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:31:40 EDT Subject: This Saturday; Bike Night at Revolution Coffee Lounge! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 Revolution Coffee Lounge, will be having their (I believe) 3rd Bike Night this Saturday, and is being sponsored by Herndon Cycle Sport. There will be drink specials, demo bikes, and some "Virtual Motorcycle Racing". They usually have a good turn out and is run by a good bunch of guys. (Steve Zarpa, of former Crow Bar fame, and fellow racer Ed Andrews.) They'll be showing MC videos on their projection screen it should be a good time. Festivities start at 8:00pm. See you guys there! -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 22:36:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mail.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9J2a6K04170 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.49.24325b9 (4312) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:35:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: <49.24325b9.271fb80b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:35:55 EDT Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 Well, another person-from-under-the-stairs! Don't you think you're pretty much guilty of everything you lambasted everyone else for? I have to admit, I've heard of colourful language, but you've got Crayola beat buddy! What do you ride, anyways? And that can't be your real name....(I hope!) -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 22:38:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9J2clK04195 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA24374 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA00146 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj33046a ([24.13.248.105]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001019023843.ERZ24278.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj33046a>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:38:43 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c03975$dcb1f1a0$69f80d18@alex1.va.home.com> From: "Richard L. Casale" To: "Dave Yates" , "DC-Cycles" References: <39ED9CF3.87A917EB@radix.net> Subject: Re: Pedestrian woes Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:39:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Commuting into the City from VA and riding around the city on some days has shown me that you have to be a little crazy in order to make some of the light. People will actually walk right in front of you--and look in your eyes--while your approaching, almost defying you to hit them. There have been many days when I've daydreamed of that very thing. I have this Maddmax modification in mind--sharp points on my fairing--spinning blades on my front wheel. You get the idea. Cheers, RICHARD L. CASALE, Intranet Web Developer + Ride: Y2k VFR800 Interceptor + Mods: Gel ProGrips, Scorpio Alarm, Xena Disc Lock + Email: RichCasale@XXXXXX + Website: http://cj33046-a.alex1.va.home.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 8:52 AM Subject: Pedestrian woes > I've been hearing a lot lately about pedestrian trouble in our area, & > around the country as a major cause of inner city traffic congestion and > such. WTOP had a couple of 'high muckety mucks' on lamenting how > pedestrians were deliberately taking advantage of right of way laws, > crossing against signals, yadda, yadda, yadda. > When I worked in Bethesda for about 6 months I learned quite quickly > that it was just plain safer to wait for the signal, no matter how clear > it looked. Not a day went by, I didn't see some morons, completely > oblivious to ANY traffic threat, yakking away on a cell phone while > crossing against the signal... among other things. > Since I don't commute into a city now, is it really that bad ? A > couple of weeks ago, I think San Francisco was tagged with the 'most > pedestrian unfriendly' label (?) One of those San cities... > > - sounds to me like it's time for cameras at walk ways. > - how about mandatory pedestrian licensing > - let's not forget the pedestrian point system > - we should all have to wear pedestrian registration plates too. > - all our clothing should be inspected for pedestrian safety compliance. > > gee, sounds kind of ominous when you apply those things to something > besides vehicles... > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 22:41:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9J2fjK04229 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-240.patriot.net [209.249.180.240]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9J2fLL01516; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:41:21 -0400 Message-ID: <39EE5EE5.AA894BD2@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:39:33 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) References: <48.c56f8cc.271fad52@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Little trick - under hard braking, grab the tank with your knees instead of > allowing your weight to transfer onto your wrists (and the front end). That would work well for a few young ladies I have known (in the biblical sense). I swear, one miss could have cracked coconuts between her knees. And my ortho doc wonders why my hips are creaky... :-) Bill - lame and loving it From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 23:18:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9J3IJK04904 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29698 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:18:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001018231445.00c92760@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:18:09 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Problems? In-Reply-To: <017201c0396d$39d12440$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> References: <007201c0396e$8823b080$5e59273f@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:38 PM 10/18/2000 , James Reazor wrote: >Is anyone else having trouble hitting the DC-Cycles site? > >James One thing to mention here....it is up, but not totally. The site is on the final destination server at 209.249.185.26, but Internic has Yahoo serving DNS, so Chris put a temporary pointer in to the above IP until I am serving DNS. That may cause some problems for people. Also - there are new archives up, but not linked to or pretty yet. http://209.249.185.26/arch/index.html Must faster than the old archive I showed you all a few weeks ago. The problem right now is that with DNS screwed up, you can't click the search link results because Yahoo's pointer doesn't pass correctly. It will be working normally soon. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 23:34:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mail.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9J3YiK05154 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 8.6b.b24bcad (3736); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:34:23 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6b.b24bcad.271fc5be@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:34:22 EDT Subject: Re: Winter To: jzell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 In a message dated 10/18/00 9:32:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jzell@XXXXXX writes: << who's putting their bikes up? >> UP Where? What Winter? Richard From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 23:38:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9J3c2K05245 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29780 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:37:53 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001018233216.00c44ba0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:37:52 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Problems? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001018231445.00c92760@mail.troutman.org> References: <017201c0396d$39d12440$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> <007201c0396e$8823b080$5e59273f@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:18 PM 10/18/2000 , Troutman wrote: >Much faster than the old archive I showed you all a few weeks ago. The >problem right now is that with DNS screwed up, you can't click the search >link results because Yahoo's pointer doesn't pass correctly. It will be >working normally soon. The search link / DNS thing seems to be working now. I just looked for Dick Anker and found 0 posts - ever - but a couple people on here had matching headers. Perhaps another fake name troll with alternate personality. I'll just leave it at that. Interesting Stats ---------------------- 109 total SUV related posts. 454 total gun related posts 95 total WD-40 related posts 103 total chain lube related posts (some WD-40) 209 Skyline posts 74 BRP posts 555 Summit Point posts 1505 tire related posts Fun with search engines. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Oct 18 23:58:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9J3w9K05543 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001019035807.EDG14112.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:58:07 -0700 Message-ID: <01e901c0397e$0c7c2920$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <017201c0396d$39d12440$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> <007201c0396e$8823b080$5e59273f@oemcomputer> <4.2.0.58.20001018233216.00c44ba0@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Problems? Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:38:29 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I'm able to hit the site now. Looks great, guys, helluva job! James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 11:37 PM Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Problems? > At 11:18 PM 10/18/2000 , Troutman wrote: > >Much faster than the old archive I showed you all a few weeks ago. The > >problem right now is that with DNS screwed up, you can't click the search > >link results because Yahoo's pointer doesn't pass correctly. It will be > >working normally soon. > > The search link / DNS thing seems to be working now. I just looked for > Dick Anker and found 0 posts - ever - but a couple people on here had > matching headers. Perhaps another fake name troll with alternate personality. > > I'll just leave it at that. > > Interesting Stats > ---------------------- > 109 total SUV related posts. > 454 total gun related posts > 95 total WD-40 related posts > 103 total chain lube related posts (some WD-40) > 209 Skyline posts > 74 BRP posts > 555 Summit Point posts > 1505 tire related posts > > Fun with search engines. > > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 06:20:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JAKBK12406 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9JAK8j11345597 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EECACC.89BE3971@radix.net> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:19:56 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4dissatisfaction) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Morris Berman wrote: > > You also forgot Snickers or Giggles or whatever her name was that rode her > old man's Harley... Squeakers ? -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 06:21:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JALeK12416 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9JALdj11831108 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EECB27.5DE9B968@radix.net> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:21:27 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4dissatisfaction) References: <67.affb911.271f4fa5@aol.com> <4.1.20001018163149.00a4eb00@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette 'Giggles' Zell wrote: > > Squeakers. But I like your names better. ; ) they are catchy.. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > At 04:29 PM 10/18/00 -0400, Morris Berman wrote: > >You also forgot Snickers or Giggles or whatever her name was that rode her > >old man's Harley... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 06:27:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JARSK12513 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9JARQj11703300 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EECC82.784189DF@radix.net> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:27:14 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dick's rant References: <00d301c0394a$8eaadf60$36530040@blairdubilier.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Cross wrote: Dave. PLEASE be careful about Dick...... > > > > Man, why do I get the feeling that if we were all postal workers some of us > would be dead? > > > > Let the rest of us reasonable people sit back and watch you scurry back and > forth like retards in a glass recycling plant. > > > > That is my favorite line . . . "like retards in a glass recycling plant." > I'm gonna use that one. > -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 06:30:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JAUZK12597 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9JAUXj11800242 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EECD3D.5F3AF0F3@radix.net> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:30:21 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) References: <20001018221024.1279.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > what a finish this was too! i'm stunned. > > i hereby relinquish my throne to the new king 'yanker'! Not a chance there, oh Sultan of scathing diatribes... That just put Dick on the grid. He's got a long way to go to dethrone the King... :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 07:11:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net (mail-gw.ie.cw.net [204.70.128.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JBBGK13143 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:11:14 -0400 Message-ID: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC6806800F0@resie03.ie.cw.net> From: "Ledford, Calvin" To: "'Ahalan'" , Rob_Bell@XXXXXX Cc: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: NEVER USE Cycles USA Service Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:10:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I had the absolute worst experience with Cycles USA a few years back. Her it is: As far as CyclesUSA - I wouldn't take anything they gave me for free! They almost killed me. First, I dropped my bike off (CBR) to be inspected and someone crashed into it knocking it over and causing extensive fairing damage. Then they wanted to split hairs over getting it fixed saying that there was already some damage from before the accident (true, but still...), the way I see it is they out of courtesy for the accident should have repaired EVERYTHING without even asking. It then took them over a MONTH to get the plastic in (I'm willing to bet because they went the cheap route and bought used). When the bike was ready a friend picked it up and on the way home the gear shifter fell off! He took it back and they took another week to put it back on. Then on my first ride I pulled into a gas station and a miracle occurred (or I'd be dead...), when another customer noticed my rear axle sticking out the side of the bike. It was hanging on by the last thread! He said "I don't know much about motorcycles but that doesn't look right." I kicked the axle back in and rode it back to CyclesUSA who wanted to charge me for the axle nut. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ahalan [mailto:rdrdr@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:19 AM > To: Rob_Bell@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles (E-mail) > Subject: Re: Cycles USA > > > Rob: > > I used to go to Cycles USA as my main shop with my Suzuki DR650. > > Sales Dept.: Don't really know - I never actually bought a > bike from them > but when I was looking they seemed helpful and knowledgeable (within > limits). > > Parts Dept.: I tried dealing mostly w/ Joe (if he's still > there). They > didn't have much parts in stock for my bike (nothing that > wasn't common to > other bikes) and usually did a good job ordering stuff when I needed. > > Service Dept.: That's the reason I stopped using them. The > service managers > there were on a revolving door basis. Some were better, some > were not. > Problem it gets difficult to get good service when you don't > know who you're > dealing with. The attitude that turned me away is reflected in the > following incident: > > Several months after I had them change a rear tire, I found > that I cannot > remove the rear axle (...someone did not grease the axle > before inserting it > and it was rusted to the bearings). After failing with any > method I could > come up with I called and asked to speak to a mechanic only > to be told that > to speak to one I need to make an appointment. Asked to do > that and was > scheduled for about 2.5 weeks later - no thanks. (The guys at The Dirt > Shop/The Motorcycle Shop on Route 1 answered and guided me to > salvation). > > ...but this was more than a year ago. > > I figured that since my bike was not under warranty, and > since they had to > order parts for it anyway, I didn't need a frikkin' dealer, > and took my > business to The Dirt Shop and to Myers Cycle (Summit > Ave.,Kensington). Been > getting good, friendly service since. > > Of course now my beemer is under warranty until August 2001 > (3 YEAR warranty > !!!!!) > > Niv > BMW F650ST > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 07:45:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JBjsK13716 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6631 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2000 11:45:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20001019114552.6630.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.151.168.42] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:45:52 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:45:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Winter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Eventually, I'll be putting my bike up. I'll hold out until it's too cold on the weekends for someone without cold weather gear. Which leads me to a question. Any particular brand of gas stabilizer I should use? Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > So, who's riding all year and who's putting their > bikes up? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 08:17:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JCHjK14169 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id HAA26854 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:17:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id HAA26841 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:17:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from prague ([160.207.46.86]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA01949; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001019081158.009e7340@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:12:31 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , Boiade@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20001018222117.16941.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually, it's somewhere in Georgia. : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >> ahhhhh, but I get to read Brian's posts on another list, >> always informative and entertaining. he is getting a job > >> in Florida with a classy racing product company by the >> way. > >good for him! i mean that. > > >-- >tg > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. >http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 08:27:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9708.mail.yahoo.com (web9708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JCRlK14315 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001019122739.2562.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9708.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:27:39 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:27:39 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: Re: Those little chrome aux lights... To: Bill Huson Cc: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > I've seen those in Harley Davidson *dreaded > accessories* catalogue and > on a couple H-Ds. They mount on the crash bar of > the FL models - veddy > veddy bright. I figure 20 seconds to impact and the > deer one hits would > be cooked medium rare... > > I guess if you wanted her well done, you could get the Arlen Ness chrome "skewer" fender. ;) Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 08:31:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JCVgK14399 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:31:35 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F77FF90@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'bhuson@XXXXXX'" , "'Boiade@XXXXXX'" Subject: BOTH brakes Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:31:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sheese, I hate to admit I'm agreeing with an unbalanced-Harley driver :^) but: On the street, for braking, I personally use BOTH brakes. The front brake does most of the braking. (duh) The rear brake both adds to stopping and offers stability if/when the front wheel slips on spooge (we're on the street, not a track). Yes, it's easy to slide the rear wheel if you press too hard with your foot (& weight is being transferred from the rear to the front) That's why practice, and more practice will save your rear ("In a crisis, you don't rise to the occasion. You sink to the level of your training." John Rennie Ed Sci. American Sept 2000. -- I read that in a waiting room, after I only broke a leg.) Bill Huson apoligized, "Sorry, but I've read the Hurt report." (see below) then sermonized, "True, underuse of thre Front brake is a definate problem, and in a recent interview with Hurt he emphsized FRONT BRAKE, meaning use the damn thing. But physics is physics, and BOTH brakes stop faster than one brake. Practice, practice, practice - using both brakes. Hurt's report RE rear brake related to rear brake only, the exact situation which caused my cuz to splash his Sportster a couple weeks ago. I hope he'll retrain himself." http://wheels-in-motion.com/Hurt-Report.html 28. Motorcycle riders in these accidents showed significant collision avoidance problems. Most riders would overbrake and skid the rear wheel, and underbrake the front wheel greatly reducing collision avoidance deceleration. The ability to countersteer and swerve was essentially absent. Carl in Bethesda (from the gummimint & tryin' to hep) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 08:32:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JCWbK14417 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id HAA28326 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:32:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id HAA28319 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:32:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from prague ([160.207.46.86]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA02142; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001019082658.00a69250@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:27:25 -0400 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: This Saturday; Bike Night at Revolution Coffee Lounge! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Have a beer for me, that's my birthday! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 10:31 PM 10/18/00 -0400, Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: >Revolution Coffee Lounge, will be having their (I believe) 3rd Bike Night >this Saturday, and is being sponsored by Herndon Cycle Sport. There will be >drink specials, demo bikes, and some "Virtual Motorcycle Racing". They >usually have a good turn out and is run by a good bunch of guys. (Steve >Zarpa, of former Crow Bar fame, and fellow racer Ed Andrews.) They'll be >showing MC videos on their projection screen it should be a good time. >Festivities start at 8:00pm. See you guys there! > >-Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 08:39:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JCdWK14506 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max1h-15.his.com [216.32.85.15]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA10537; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20001019083511.00685830@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:35:16 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Sunday ride 10/22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" This weekend is forcasted to be nice, my racing season is over, so the lights go back on the mighty Team Charm TL1000R for a street bike this weekend. leftWhere: 112 Woodland Rd in Gaithersburg, directions below; When: Sunday 10/22/00 leaving no later than 11:00am, have your tank full, we'll not be stopping for gas. Route: Upper Montgomery County MD. Clopper to 117 to Rt 28 to Park Mills to Rt 80 to Thurston Rd to Rt 109 to Rt 199 up Sugar loaf mountain - engine off coast race down & return to my house. Total time, about 2 hours with a 10 minute stop to enjoy the view at the top of the mountian. This will be the same route as the last ride I lead about 2 years ago. A note on speed & the phrase "coast racing". I racing on the track, not the street. I go swift for a car, really slow for a racer, and well within reasonable limits. Any rider can follow me. Do not be intimidated by the phrase "coast racing" it is very sedate & anyone who can ride on the beltway will enjoy it. Afterwards I will ajourn to either the brew pub next to my house or the gun show at the Montgomery Co fairgrounds. Directions to my house; Take I-270 to exit 9A which is for I-370 / Sam Eig Hwy. Exit, staying towards the right which will take you to I-370. In about a mile you'll exit off I-370 onto "355 North / Towards Gaithersburg Town Center." The exit ramp dumps you out on 355 north so its impossible to screw up. At the second traffic light (about one mile) take a right onto East Deer Park Rd. Take your second left (about 300 yards) onto Woodland Rd. My house is number 112, about a half mile down the road and after a stop sign. My home number is 301 990 6408 if you get lost for some reason, the dog is harmless. Stephen Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 08:42:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f18.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JCgsK14584 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:42:45 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:42:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: cerberus@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stress Relief Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:42:45 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2000 12:42:45.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[149C2B90:01C039CA] Dave, I know of the Izaak Walton League by Poolesville (I think). My Dad took me there for several years growing up. Nice location. They also have handgun, skeet, trap and I think archery. Haven't been there in quite a while. http://www.iwla.org/siteindx.htm Rob '98 VFR800 >From: Dave Paper >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Stress Relief >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:27:49 -0400 > >On 18 Oct 2000, LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > Ok, after all of this work on the site, after the nastiness going on >between those on the list, since it's getting too chilly for bike nights, I >decided we need some stress relief...if you are anit-gun...read no further. > > > > Send me an e-mail off list if you're interested in a "DC Cycles people >go to the shooting range night." > >Somehow I think this will be a popular idea. Count me in :) > >Are there any rifle ranges around here, or is it mostly just handgun type >places? > >-dave > >-- >Dave Paper AOL Database Operations cerberus@XXXXXX >MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay >It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs >are both called "users". --Unknown > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 08:47:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f213.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JClRK14673 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:47:19 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:47:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: lgranato@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4dissatisfaction) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:47:19 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2000 12:47:19.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7AFC260:01C039CA] Laura, you kill me!!! ROTFLMAO!!!! I love how so many people can argue like siblings over the stupidest shit sometimes, but then come together to flame such a wanker. This group rocks!! Rob '98 VFR800 >From: "Laura Granato" >To: , "Dick E. Anker" >Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler >mez4dissatisfaction) >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:47:23 -0400 > >Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler me>>Back to lurkmode > > Wow! This definitely wins the award of the year for most idiodic post I >have ever seen. First of all, do you have an education? or maybe I should >spell it so you can understand...du u hav en educashun? (referring to all >of the wonderful misspellings you made throughout your post...shit, even >spell check would pick those up) Second...nice use of foul language...very >impressive! I bet you get all the ladies, don't you? > > Big man who sits on lurk mode then decides to bash the entire list out >of nowhere. Well, if we're so pathetic...you must be too if you're sitting >around reading our stuff all day. Hmmm, maybe I could devote a section of >the Web site specifically to you...we could call it Dick's corner...we >could post your reactions to all of the stupid shit we write...I bet it >would get the most hits. > > Well, enjoy lurk-mode...we'll all be anxiously awaiting your next post. > > LAG > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 08:48:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f75.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JCmLK14683 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:48:13 -0700 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:48:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: harris@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride 10/22 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:48:12 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2000 12:48:13.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7AD4DD0:01C039CA] Stephen, I wish I could attend, but family obligations have me down near Virginia Beach (without a bike.) I also live in Gaithersburg and have rarely made any of the Virginia rides, but would love to try and hookup with a Montgomery County-based ride. Maybe next time! Perry >From: Stephen Harris >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Sunday ride 10/22 >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:35:16 -0700 > ><< attach1 >> _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 08:49:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JCnvK14713 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9598 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2000 12:49:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20001019124954.9597.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.151.168.42] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:49:54 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:49:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: BOTH brakes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's been several years since I took the MSF, but don't they instruct to use both brakes? That's what I recall, unless my helmet is on too tight. Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > Sheese, I hate to admit I'm agreeing with an > unbalanced-Harley driver :^) > but: > On the street, for braking, I personally use BOTH > brakes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 08:51:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f178.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JCpJK14809 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:51:11 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:51:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX, dccwebsite@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Your Birthday Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:51:11 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2000 12:51:11.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[42137690:01C039CB] >Anybody wanna come to Morgantown and party with me on my birthday? :o) Uh >oh, did I just say that out loud? Should I be afraid? > >Jess Oh, geez. With all the talk about guns lately, this could be quite a party. ;) An early Happy Birthday to ya! Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 08:52:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9707.mail.yahoo.com (web9707.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JCqOK14826 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001019125215.41415.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9707.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:52:15 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:52:15 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: Why I don't wave to those Honda riders with solid colored helmets To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/001001_mfr_motorcycle.html For best results, put that all on one line. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 08:58:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web9705.mail.yahoo.com (web9705.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.143]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JCwWK14935 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001019125814.10576.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9705.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:58:14 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:58:14 -0700 (PDT) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: Chrome rotors To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > if you chrome the wheel you should chrome the rotors too for a really > nice look, since the rotors tend to block a lot of the view. And Bill added... Oh yeah, that makes sense - chrome the BRAKE rotors. Don't forget to wax them too, gotta keep that chrome looking good. To which I add... And smear some Armor All on the seat and tires too! Ha ha ha!!! Triumph did that for a while in the 70's. Chroming the rotors, that is. They work better if you get the chrome removed. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 08:59:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f139.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.139]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JCx5K14945 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:58:52 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:58:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stress Relief Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:58:52 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2000 12:58:52.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[54DCEC10:01C039CC] Definitely not humor-impaired ;^) I actually had my eye on the Beretta, but fell for the clever, "..see you can smash this piece of the gun against the wall without damaging it..." line. IOW, I was young, wanted one, and they had it in stock. It's still been a fun weapon to shoot. As for the .40, I just like round numbers , plus I thought 15 and 1 was enough. ;^) Rob '98 VFR800 PS. Uh, oh. More gun talk. I can see the "Unsubscribe" posts coming now... >From: "Perry Coleman" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Stress Relief >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:18:20 EDT > >Glock?!?! Harumph! Beretta rules! ;^) >.40?!?!? Sheesh, couldn't make up your mind between 9mm or .45? ;^) ;^) > >Perry > >p.s. The above is humor. If you are humor-impaired, ultra sensitive, or >just >high strung, please delete this message and move on. > >>From: "Rob Keiser" >>To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: Re: Stress Relief >>Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:51:33 EDT >> >>Glock - 22 .40 cal >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 09:00:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (aloe.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JCxxK14955 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id IAA26845; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:52:20 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma025429; Thu, 19 Oct 00 08:51:15 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0G2O007FBHI9HL@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 8525697D.00474188 ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:58:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:58:23 -0400 Subject: Re: idea of Winter (sort of cycles related) To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525697D.0047373C.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Well ... yes and no. I lived in Rome, NY (about 45mins east of Syracuse) for a number of years. Yes the drivers are better with the snow, BUT it is much easier driving. Up there, when it goes elow freezing, it stays there, unlike here where in the course of most normal commutes you can have ice in the am rush, wet roads at lunch and ice again for the evening rush. Don't get me wrong, I agree that winter driving experience here is lacking, but the conditions are so much worse than in the far north. Most of the snow on the road up there is blowing across the roads or drifting, no freezing and thawing. --chris PS The road crews are also better. I think Rochester uses the most sand and salt per capita in the world. :-) Doug Allis wrote: > I grew up and lived most of my life just outside a city > in the snowiest metropolitan area in the country, that is, one with more > than than 75,000 people. Syracuse NY averages about 150 inches a year (yes, > that is more than Buffalo and any other place you can mention that has any > real number of people around to notice). Only Syracuse never makes the news > because the constant snow is so ANNOYINGLY common. and the drivers up there actually know how to drive in it... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 09:09:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net (relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net [38.9.157.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JD9OK15135 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13mFRh-0004b8-00; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:09:21 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id S9V4D897; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:56:06 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: "iefbrfourteen" , "DCC" Subject: RE: Why I don't wave to those Honda riders with solid colored helmets Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:12:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20001019125215.41415.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> That was toooo funny!!! -----Original Message----- From: iefbrfourteen [mailto:iefbr142000@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 7:52 AM To: DCC Subject: Why I don't wave to those Honda riders with solid colored helmets http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/001001_mfr_motorcycle.html For best results, put that all on one line. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 09:12:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JDC6K15213 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from navieg1.trw.com by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:11:10 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2000101906124216930 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:12:42 -0700 Received: from trw.com (dhcp183-116.fp.trw.com [129.193.183.116]) by RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:10:59 -0400 Message-Id: <39EEF2D8.5AD5E49B@trw.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:10:48 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCC Subject: Re: Why I don't wave to those Honda riders with solid colored helmets References: <20001019125215.41415.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great article! So true and, really, what else can one expect from an activity that tends to attract rabid (and sometimes hugely insecure) individualists. Randy iefbrfourteen wrote: > http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/001001_mfr_motorcycle.html > > For best results, put that all on one line. > > Rich From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 09:13:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aba.com (mail.aba.com [198.242.42.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JDDdK15223 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ABAOF40-Message_Server by aba.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:13:06 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:12:55 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: Subject: Cold Winter Gear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_3E66E472.264721F2" This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_3E66E472.264721F2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Where is a local or internet store to find some nice electric gear? I rode = in today and if I don't get some better, I'll be a popsicle very very = soon. CBR929 --=_3E66E472.264721F2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML
Where is a local or internet store to find some nice = electric=20 gear? I rode in today and if I don't get some better, I'll be a popsicle = very=20 very soon.
 
 
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--=_3E66E472.264721F2-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 09:23:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from asp.gd-is.com (aspext.gd-is.com [206.11.149.91]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JDNDK15407 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asp.gd-is.com (root@localhost) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id IAA05207 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:23:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [160.207.46.16]) by asp.gd-is.com with ESMTP id IAA05203 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:23:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from prague ([160.207.46.86]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA02921; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20001019091723.00a54e30@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:18:02 -0400 To: "Robert Beatty" , From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Cold Winter Gear In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_59203940==_.ALT" --=====================_59203940==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I got mine online from Gerbing. They're not local, but I recall they were pretty fast. : ) http://www.gerbing.com - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:12 AM 10/19/00 -0400, Robert Beatty wrote: > > Where is a local or internet store to find some nice electric gear? I rode in > today and if I don't get some better, I'll be a popsicle very very soon. > > > CBR929 --=====================_59203940==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I got mine online from Gerbing. They're not local, but I recall they were pretty fast.  : )

http://www.gerbing.com

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

At 09:12 AM 10/19/00 -0400, Robert Beatty wrote:
Where is a local or internet store to find some nice electric gear? I rode in today and if I don't get some better, I'll be a popsicle very very soon.
 
 
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--=====================_59203940==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 09:28:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.watsonwyatt.com ([208.22.178.249]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JDShK15510 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 9:28 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "nighthawk700@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: cycle sport Message-ID: <2000101909261583-38d074d@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From: "Louis F. Caplan" >When they were taken over by new management, the new managers pointed out that >the contract was specifically with Dave (forgot his last name, the previous >owner), and so they didn't have to honor it anymore. The employees at Cycle >Sport really went to bat for me and the others who still had the service >contract. Hmmm.. up til I read that i was becoming convinced to venture to the far edge of the earth (i'm in gaithersburg after all). but that trick does not bode well. How long ago was the changeover and what other types of things have you seen since? Are the same svc folks still there? What are the sales folks like? R From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 09:35:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f29.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JDZTK15681 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:35:21 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:35:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: jzell@XXXXXX, Rbeatty@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold Winter Gear Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:35:21 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2000 13:35:21.0452 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D816AC0:01C039D1] Actually, the local distributor is Mike Vlahos in Mt. Airy, MD. Just about 10 miles North of Damascus. He's a great guy to deal with and I'm sure wouldn't mind a vist if you wanted to try some stuff on. I don't have his number here at work, but I can find it for you when I get home and post it. Or maybe George has it available. You out there? YMMV, no affiliation, yadda yadda yadda Rob '98 VFR800 Gerbing Gloves/Thin Jacket Liner/Dual Heat Troller...mmmmm Toasty! >From: Jeannette Zell >To: "Robert Beatty" , >Subject: Re: Cold Winter Gear >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:18:02 -0400 > >I got mine online from Gerbing. They're not local, but I recall they were >pretty fast. : ) > >http://www.gerbing.com > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > >At 09:12 AM 10/19/00 -0400, Robert Beatty wrote: > > > > Where is a local or internet store to find some nice electric gear? I >rode in > > today and if I don't get some better, I'll be a popsicle very very soon. > > > > > > CBR929 > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 09:37:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JDbtK15700 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA10010; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:32:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Matthew Rosenstock" , Subject: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:38:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20001019124954.9597.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Yeah, well don't take everything the MSF tells you as gospel. Their curriculum is designed to make you a "competent" rider, not a "good" rider - and that's true for both RSS and ERC, in my opinion. Besides, if you ride like they want you to, you'll quit riding within a month because it's so boring. Those guys take all the fun out of riding a motorcycle and turn it into a chore. These are just my opinions, of course, and you'll find a slew of people on the list that'll tell you the MSF is the best thing since sliced bread. Chris Weaver -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Rosenstock [mailto:m_rosenstock@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 5:50 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: BOTH brakes It's been several years since I took the MSF, but don't they instruct to use both brakes? That's what I recall, unless my helmet is on too tight. Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 09:42:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JDgvK15795 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA10082 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:37:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "DCC" Subject: RE: Chrome rotors Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:43:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20001019125814.10576.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal God forbid I should come to Daniel's defense, but I'm sure what he meant to say was chrome the calipers, not the rotors. I've seen this and it does look nice, but jeez - you'd have to clean those things after every ride! Chris Weaver '98 VTR -----Original Message----- From: iefbrfourteen [mailto:iefbr142000@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 5:58 AM To: DCC Subject: Chrome rotors daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > if you chrome the wheel you should chrome the rotors too for a really > nice look, since the rotors tend to block a lot of the view. And Bill added... Oh yeah, that makes sense - chrome the BRAKE rotors. Don't forget to wax them too, gotta keep that chrome looking good. To which I add... And smear some Armor All on the seat and tires too! Ha ha ha!!! Triumph did that for a while in the 70's. Chroming the rotors, that is. They work better if you get the chrome removed. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 09:44:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JDigK15805 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com ([208.213.159.68]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id JAA29421; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EEF998.7D5EAAE5@pti.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:39:36 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Reazor CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Problems? References: <007201c0396e$8823b080$5e59273f@oemcomputer> <017201c0396d$39d12440$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I noticed with Netscape 4.75 you don't get the background color so you end up with white text on white back ground. I opened it with IE 5 and it was fine. Nelson James Reazor wrote: > Is anyone else having trouble hitting the DC-Cycles site? James From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 09:55:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JDtZK15990 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA10285 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:50:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: RE: DCCycles.com Problems? Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:56:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <39EEF998.7D5EAAE5@pti.com> Importance: Normal Well, I don't know if there's a specific problem with 4.75, but it works okay on 4.7. That's pretty wierd. I'll look into it. Cheers, Chris Weaver DCCycles.com Webmaster -----Original Message----- From: Nelson Fernandez [mailto:nelson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 6:40 AM To: James Reazor Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Problems? I noticed with Netscape 4.75 you don't get the background color so you end up with white text on white back ground. I opened it with IE 5 and it was fine. Nelson James Reazor wrote: > Is anyone else having trouble hitting the DC-Cycles site? James From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 09:59:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web1206.mail.yahoo.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JDx9K16118 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11107 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2000 14:16:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20001019141644.11106.qmail@web1206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.5.27.135] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:16:44 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:16:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Etrigan von Munchausen Subject: Re: Pissing contests (Was Re: Braking (Was: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction) To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Or "Yanker", going by the guy's name. Maybe there could just be a new section on the web site labeled "Bait". Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C P.S. Hat-Guy: Old college nickname, from my habit of wearing a fedora. --- "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > Actually, that would be "wanker" aka "tosser". But > Dick certainly gets > my vote for DC-Cycles "Troll of the Year"! > > Chuck > > Tom Gimer wrote : > > > > i hereby relinquish my throne to the new king > 'yanker'! > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 10:01:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JE1MK16223 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va7-17.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.145]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03342; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EF2A74.CDC1B431@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:08:04 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Christopher Weaver , Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FWIW, I think the MSF course is a "must do" for any newbie rider. You gotta start somewhere and IMHO MSF is the best place to start. And yes, I've taken the MSF (basic) course. But that said, I agree with Chris that you shouldn't necessarily take everything MSF says (or anyone else, for that matter) as gospel. MSF is excellent for teaching beginning riders the basics of motorcycle riding (in a street environment) so that they can be competent and safe. I found that it's geared towards riding as basic transportation from point A to point B. MSF is a starting point for a rider's motorcycling experience. For many (I suppose), it's enough and exactly what they're looking for. Others want to go beyond MSF. I haven't taken the MSF ERC course, but that's one way to go. But my understanding (from Chris) is that it's an extension of the basic course and probably more geared to "basic" street riding. If what floats your boat is more "advanced" (i.e., performance) riding, then you need to go to a track school (California Superbike, Penguin, CLASS, STAR, DP, etc.) And what you learn there will be much different than what you were taught at MSF. Sometimes it might even be contrary. For example, at Keith Code's California Superbike School rear braking is not taught nor encouraged. Yet I know Freddie Spencer's school in Lost Wages insists upon learning how to use the rear brake for trail braking into corners. BOTTOM LINE: As with most things in life, I don't think there are any absolutes. There are times when the smart/prudent thing to do is use only the front brake (even when straight up and going in a straight line). There are probably other times when you need to use both (and know how to use them both properly). MSF teaches you one way of doing things. But it's not the only way of doing things. I should add that although I've taken MSF and CSS@VIR, I certainly don't consider myself an "expert" or any kind of qualified instructor. And it's not like I've had a ton of years and miles of experience (in fact, I've only been riding a "real" motorcycle for 2 years). But these are just my observations based on my own learning/riding experiences. Perhaps Tim Morrow (MSF instructor and racer) would care to chime in on this thread??? Chuck Christopher Weaver wrote: > > Yeah, well don't take everything the MSF tells you as gospel. Their > curriculum is designed to make you a "competent" rider, not a "good" rider - > and that's true for both RSS and ERC, in my opinion. Besides, if you ride > like they want you to, you'll quit riding within a month because it's so > boring. Those guys take all the fun out of riding a motorcycle and turn it > into a chore. > > These are just my opinions, of course, and you'll find a slew of people on > the list that'll tell you the MSF is the best thing since sliced bread. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 10:05:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mail.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JE5QK16330 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.f3.3b31aed (4329) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:05:08 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:05:07 EDT Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 104 Ok... this braking thing... Both brakes. Sounds great on paper. It even works well for the average rider on most bikes. But it's not an absolute. Physics dictate what you can, and cannot do. My Ducati, for example, has the ability to loft the rear end under hard braking. This is due to 3 things: 1) The way the V-Twin is positioned in the frame (far forward) 2) The fact that there's one hell of a set of Brembos on the front of the thing 3) My ability to modulate the front brake right at the point of locking it up. I don't care how much rear brake I use... it's a moot point - the ass end will lock up. I do not believe I've ever used the rear brake on the Ducati, other than to see if it actually worked (it does... but doesn't do a whole lot). The Harley, on the other hand, likes liberal use of the rear brake (Throwing an anchor out is also a viable option). The weight is much lower and centered, and the front brake in not nearly as capable as the Ducati's. I often use the rear brake on the Harley, and I only remember locking it up one time in the last 2 years. The MSF course stresses using both brakes NOT because the want you to use the rear. The want you to use the front. The average driver human has years and years of experience hitting a brake pedal with their right foot, and the MSF course is designed to try and break that habit. just my $.02 - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 10:18:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JEIeK16497 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06147 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:18:33 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001019100951.00d63760@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:18:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: FOR SALE SIGN (Low Moto) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Did you all know that it is ILLEGAL in Fairfax County to post a "For Sale" sign in your car window if it is parked on a public street? When my Integra's wheels were stolen a cop showed up and wrote me a ticket for having a for sale sign in the window and demanded to know what I thought I was doing with my car up on blocks on the street. What A Stupid LEO (tm). At any rate, it is funny to note that the news media is making fun of this law as it once existed in California : http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001018/od/signs_dc_1.html Moto Content ========== Bike came back from RR testing with a clean bill of health. Ran fine to work today. My guess is that it will run fine for a few days and then the RR will finally choke. Always a pleasant feeling. Oh yeah - my boss wants to send me and a communications crew to Yemen to help set up for the FBI and military investigations. I'll know tomorrow. I told him I'd go if I can take a pistol with me. The are a little bit anti-American right now. Maybe I can rent a bike. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 10:19:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web1204.mail.yahoo.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JEJKK16515 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13962 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2000 14:19:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20001019141917.13961.qmail@web1204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.5.27.135] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:19:17 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:19:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Etrigan von Munchausen Subject: Re: idea of Winter (sort of cycles related) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 9 years driving in upstate NY, 6 of those in Rochester. I think the biggest difference is that areas that get mountains of snow have the infrastructure to deal with it. I don't know about the most sand and salt tho - when the weather gets really bad, they just plow the main streets, and leave the side streets alone. One winter, the street level rose 8 inches. Wouldn't have been too bad, but it all melts over the manhole covers. 8" potholes are bad. Obmoto: I put the bike up for the winter up there. I don't think it'll be a problem here. Todd Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C --- christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Well ... yes and no. > > I lived in Rome, NY (about 45mins east of Syracuse) > for a number of years. Yes > the drivers are better with the snow, BUT it is much > easier driving. Up there, > when it goes elow freezing, it stays there, unlike > here where in the course of > most normal commutes you can have ice in the am > rush, wet roads at lunch and ice > again for the evening rush. > > Don't get me wrong, I agree that winter driving > experience here is lacking, but > the conditions are so much worse than in the far > north. Most of the snow on the > road up there is blowing across the roads or > drifting, no freezing and thawing. > > --chris > > PS The road crews are also better. I think > Rochester uses the most sand and > salt per capita in the world. :-) > > > > > > > > Doug Allis wrote: > > I grew up and lived most of my life just outside a > city > > in the snowiest metropolitan area in the country, > that is, one with more > > than than 75,000 people. Syracuse NY averages > about 150 inches a year (yes, > > that is more than Buffalo and any other place you > can mention that has any > > real number of people around to notice). Only > Syracuse never makes the news > > because the constant snow is so ANNOYINGLY common. > > and the drivers up there actually know how to > drive in it... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 10:21:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JELKK16604 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va7-17.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.145]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA31894; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EF2F20.4BE60C57@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:28:00 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good point. If you come to motorcycling after years and years of bicycling and bicycle racing (as I did), then squeezing the right (i.e., front brake) lever is second nature. This is actually the rear brake lever on a bicycle. But because I was so used to using it (actually using a lot of front brake on a bicycle will get you into trouble mucho quick -- can you say endo???), I had no "fear" of using the front brake on a motorcycle. And even though I've always driven a car, when on two wheels I didn't have a habit of using my right foot to stop. Chuck BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote : > > The MSF course stresses using both brakes NOT because the want you to use the > rear. The want you to use the front. The average driver human has years and > years of experience hitting a brake pedal with their right foot, and the MSF > course is designed to try and break that habit. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 10:33:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JEXvK16825 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29760; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:33:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:33:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR RR was Re: FOR SALE SIGN (Low Moto) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001019100951.00d63760@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Moto Content > ========== > Bike came back from RR testing with a clean bill of health. Ran fine to > work today. My guess is that it will run fine for a few days and then the > RR will finally choke. Always a pleasant feeling. Have you looked into which replacement RR you're going to get, if/when it does go? The VFR archives almost recomend buying a "spare" to have when the original dies. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 10:37:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JEbLK16928 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06279 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:37:14 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001019103449.00dd8760@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:37:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: All I want for Christmas is a new RR In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20001019100951.00d63760@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:33 AM 10/19/00 , Dan Brown wrote: >Have you looked into which replacement RR you're going to get, if/when it >does go? The VFR archives almost recomend buying a "spare" to have when the >original dies. I am waiting on Electrex. They claim to have fixed the VFR RR problem, and will be releasing a new RR model in a few weeks. As it is, I plan to go with a Honda OEM RR so that the bike shop can eat the cost should it choke again within 6 months. The RR's death is not an absolute, just a very likely thing. The bike shop disagrees with me on this and believes that my electrical problems are the result of a loose wire or are in my head. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 10:49:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JEmxK17117 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va7-17.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.145]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01724; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EF359E.F70C8BD5@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:55:42 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fred, Your point is well taken. I agree with Keith Code too. But wanna learn to do it like Freddie does! %^) Chuck Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > Yeah, BUT NOT FOR STOPPING!!!!! That's the point, no advanced course will > teach you to use the rear brake for stopping purposes. Spencer believes that > he can take people and safely teach them to trail brake, Code thinks the > danger of trail braking outweighs the benefits. I tend to agree with Code. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 10:53:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JErFK17196 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30509 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:53:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:53:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: All I want for Christmas is a new RR In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001019103449.00dd8760@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > At 10:33 AM 10/19/00 , Dan Brown wrote: > >Have you looked into which replacement RR you're going to get, if/when it > >does go? The VFR archives almost recomend buying a "spare" to have when the > >original dies. > > I am waiting on Electrex. They claim to have fixed the VFR RR problem, and Haven't they had a couple versions, some of which have /also/ failed? > again within 6 months. The RR's death is not an absolute, just a very > likely thing. The bike shop disagrees with me on this and believes that my > electrical problems are the result of a loose wire or are in my head. That sounds similar to what others on the VFR list have experienced. Perhaps you should take some of the posts from there and show the bike shop people. Also, have you had just the RR checked, or did they check the stator coil too? For those curious, Electrex USA's site has some great information about motorcycle charging systems, how to diagnose problems, etc: http://www.electrexusa.com/index.htm -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 10:56:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mail.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JEuDK17209 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id u.86.1ae25dd (3970); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:55:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <86.1ae25dd.27206555@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:55:17 EDT Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 In a message dated 10/19/00 10:49:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: << But wanna learn to do it like Freddie does! >> Me too, but I know my limitations. :-)) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 10:57:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cj30520-a.manss1.va.home.com (IDENT:65005@XXXXXX [24.7.169.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JEvgK17283 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3436 invoked by uid 48381); 19 Oct 2000 14:57:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:57:10 -0400 From: Matthew Harrell To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Problems? Message-ID: <20001019105710.A3426@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.10i : : Well, I don't know if there's a specific problem with 4.75, but it works : okay on 4.7. That's pretty wierd. I'll look into it. : This is in reference to the whole site and not one specific page, right? My version of 4.75 works fine with the site. Looks good. -- Matthew Harrell Behind every great computer sits Bit Twiddlers, Inc. a skinny little geek. http://alecto.bittwiddlers.com '98 VFR 800, red '95 Mazda RX-7, black '91 Mazda Navaho, silver From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 11:03:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JF3eK17386 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06432 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:03:33 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001019105825.00a288e0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:03:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: All I want for Christmas is a new RR In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20001019103449.00dd8760@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:53 AM 10/19/00 , Dan Brown wrote: >Also, have you had just the RR checked, or did they check the stator coil >too? Some of the people on this list are also on the VFR list, so I won't bore both sets with my problem. Suffice to say that I have followed recommendations on the VFR list for troubleshooting. Oh - and Manassas Honda wants Retail + 10% for parts. I'm going to start calling them Colemans if they don't watch it. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 11:13:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JFDZK17583 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bigbox (adsl-151-200-16-190.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA01532; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001f01c039df$3574a120$0200a8c0@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas Zell" To: "Troutman" , References: <4.2.0.58.20001019100951.00d63760@mail.wheatintl.com> <4.2.0.58.20001019103449.00dd8760@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: All I want for Christmas is a new RR Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:13:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 It's crap!!! Get the Honda part and get better cooling for it (maybe a CPU fan?). I "had" an Electrex and it toasted istself taking my stator with it! I will not buy another one. Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:37 AM Subject: All I want for Christmas is a new RR > At 10:33 AM 10/19/00 , Dan Brown wrote: > >Have you looked into which replacement RR you're going to get, if/when it > >does go? The VFR archives almost recomend buying a "spare" to have when the > >original dies. > > I am waiting on Electrex. They claim to have fixed the VFR RR problem, and > will be releasing a new RR model in a few weeks. As it is, I plan to go > with a Honda OEM RR so that the bike shop can eat the cost should it choke > again within 6 months. The RR's death is not an absolute, just a very > likely thing. The bike shop disagrees with me on this and believes that my > electrical problems are the result of a loose wire or are in my head. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 11:15:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JFExK17607 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va7-17.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.145]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24381; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EF3BB2.5FB37CF6@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:21:38 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) References: <86.1ae25dd.27206555@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah... A man from the "Dirty Harry" school! %^) Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 10/19/00 10:49:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > << But wanna learn > to do it like Freddie does! >> > > Me too, but I know my limitations. :-)) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 11:50:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c012.sfo.cp.net (c012-h010.c012.sfo.cp.net [209.228.13.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JFo1K18279 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 8849 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2000 08:49:53 -0700 Date: 19 Oct 2000 08:49:53 -0700 Message-ID: <20001019154953.8848.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 19 Oct 2000 15:49:53 GMT Received: from [205.230.55.8] by mail.myway.com with HTTP; 19 Oct 2000 08:49:53 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Tom (Trey) Herb X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: Cold Winter Gear I would really like to have this information. I need to speak with an expert in this field. I have a 99 Triumph Trophy I am outfitting for all season riding/touring. Thanks On Thu, 19 October 2000, "Rob Keiser" wrote: > > Actually, the local distributor is Mike Vlahos in Mt. Airy, MD. Just about > 10 miles North of Damascus. He's a great guy to deal with and I'm sure > wouldn't mind a vist if you wanted to try some stuff on. > > I don't have his number here at work, but I can find it for you when I get > home and post it. Or maybe George has it available. You out there? > > YMMV, no affiliation, yadda yadda yadda > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > Gerbing Gloves/Thin Jacket Liner/Dual Heat Troller...mmmmm Toasty! > > > >From: Jeannette Zell > >To: "Robert Beatty" , > >Subject: Re: Cold Winter Gear > >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:18:02 -0400 > > > >I got mine online from Gerbing. They're not local, but I recall they were > >pretty fast. : ) > > > >http://www.gerbing.com > > > >- Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > >At 09:12 AM 10/19/00 -0400, Robert Beatty wrote: > > > > > > Where is a local or internet store to find some nice electric gear? I > >rode in > > > today and if I don't get some better, I'll be a popsicle very very soon. > > > > > > > > > CBR929 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 11:58:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JFvxK18442 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22421 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2000 15:57:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20001019155757.22420.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:57:57 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:57:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Cold Winter Gear To: Robert Beatty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Robert Beatty wrote: > Where is a local or internet store to find some nice > electric gear? I rode in today and if I don't get > some better, I'll be a popsicle very very soon. > In my area, I'm pretty sure that both PowerRide and Manassas Honda/Kawasaki carry some electric gear. In addition to Gerbing (http://www.gerbing.com) as previously mentioned, you might also consider: http://www.gr8designs.com/ http://www.widder.com/ http://www.aerostich.com/riderwearhouse.store Here's the low cost high labor version - http://www.olympus.net/personal/markh/electric.htm Leon. > > CBR929 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 12:23:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JGNbK18948 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:23:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200010191223.AA114819492@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: RiDE magazine? X-Mailer: Hi, all, Anyone know of a place to buy or order a copy of RiDE magazine (British motorcycling magazine)? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 12:28:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JGSdK19042 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-115.s369.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.115]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13mIYW-0005uu-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:28:37 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: multiple questions - frame sliders - headlight prism - tail light kit Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:36:17 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e9JGSfK19043 Frame sliders, headlight prisms, tail light kits.. Frame sliders.. I would like the setup where I have 2 on each side and they are the extra long kind.. Didn't someone here make their own? what did they use, rollerskate/skateboard wheel material? Are the mounting points using regular metric threading, where all i would need is a longer bolt? Any special secrets, tips, advice regarding sliders? Anyone know where the place to buy some that are already made? I seem to recall leon telling me how to use a trailer wiring kit to make motorcycle brake lights also work as turn signals.. someone (leon?) wanna post information on that? you buy the trailer kit from track auto and hook up what to what? ;) (friend of mine wants me to hook it up for him). And I'm looking to buy a headlight prism.. anyone know the best place to get them? I heard a shop in VA (hopefully not cps) has them for like $8 in rainbow and various colors.. Dirtshop has them for like $25 yikes.. and I couldn't find them online.. maybe someone here has seen them for a good price? From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 12:29:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail ([207.199.140.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JGTMK19052 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from softbicycle.com (138.238.141.74) by mail with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.10.18 AS-0098310) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:29:18 -0400 Message-ID: <39EF2272.F8BA231@softbicycle.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:33:55 -0400 From: M Brodie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DCCycles.com & Dealers around MD/DC Area References: <200010182301.e9IN1Kf00620@dirty.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I couldn't help but notice that Heyser Cycles in Laurel MD was missing from your "links" section. they are at: "http://www.heysercycle.com". They are an excellent shop for service and sales of Honda, Kaw, and Yamaha bikes, no Suzukis though. They have an great service shop, and excellent restaurants across the street (while you wait for your bike) Joe Brown is an excellent sales person there. I bought my 00 VFR there and I have no regrets, I have had an oil change&chain adjustment job so far, took about 50mins and cost 50$. Also for accessories, the Dirt Bike Shop in College Park MD is a good spot for Helmets, gear, and some accessories. Both Shops are off of RT 1. Check em out. The web site looks great, and I will be one of those people riding all winter long.....Thus the name..................Winterman peace out. Winterman http://www.mp3.com/winterman From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 12:32:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JGWKK19164 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA13171; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:26:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , "List-dc cycles" Subject: RE: RiDE magazine? Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:32:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200010191223.AA114819492@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 RiDE is carried by all area Barnes & Noble and Borders bookstores. You'll also occasionally find it on newstands of small magazine shops (such as one in downtown Bethesda). If you're looking for the big RiDER survey, it's got a bright green (think Kawasaki) cover. I have most copies of RiDE except for the rider survey if you just need a xerox or some stats or something. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 9:24 AM To: List-dc cycles Subject: RiDE magazine? Hi, all, Anyone know of a place to buy or order a copy of RiDE magazine (British motorcycling magazine)? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 12:42:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JGfwK19304 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001019164150.7465.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.222] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:41:50 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:41:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) To: Chuck Pena , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Christopher Weaver , Matthew Rosenstock MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chuck Pena wrote: > BOTTOM LINE: As with most things in life, I don't think > there are any absolutes. There are times when the > smart/prudent thing to do is use only the front brake > (even when straight up and going in a straight > line). There are probably other times when you need to > use both (and know how to use them both properly). correct....and i believe my (non-expert) point of view on this topic was lost somewhere in the 'mess' of the past day or so, so i'll restate it: i THINK that covering the rear brake at all times with your foot is a bad thing. the rear brake is something that isn't needed all the time, and when it is you can simply depress the pedal. even in a panic stop, there IS time to activate your foot and engage the rear. covering it and using it all the time will, imo, get you in more trouble than only using it when you need it. some people even put a little bit of air in the rear brake line to soften up its bite....i'd do that if i could just keep battley cycles from using it's "Fecal Touch" on my m/c -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 13:02:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from atlantic.va.grci.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [199.89.132.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JH2vK19787 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jwoodruff40 (mso102.cc.grci.com [205.244.56.102]) by atlantic.va.grci.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e9JH2kj19402; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:02:46 -0400 From: "Kurt B. Kightly" To: Subject: Heysers!!! Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:02:45 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c039ee$678234c0$6638f4cd@cc.grci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In regards to MBrodies comments about Heyser cycles: "I couldn't help but notice that Heyser Cycles in Laurel MD was missing from your "links" section. They are an excellent shop for service and sales of Honda, Kaw, and Yamaha bikes, no Suzukis though." New sales must be very different from used bike repair and servicing. I sold a good friend of mine a very well cared for v45 Magna. His experience was not very satisfactory. Even considering the time of year (Spring) Heyser's repair time of over 4 weeks (they held the bike) was unreasonable. Standard carb/cleaning/synch, a thorough going over and general maintenance, not uncommon on an older bike. The service manager refused to return calls. Upon inspection at completion, most of the work (routine inspection) had not been performed. This combined with an outrageous attitude (the mechanic) and price has dissuaded him from returning. This was year before last, I hope that some management or ownership changes have been made. Kurt 95Kawi Concours From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 13:29:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JHTCK20239 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA14012; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:23:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , Subject: RE: RiDE magazine? Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:29:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200010191240.AA104923746@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Yep, that's the mag. British, a little more serious than Performance Bikes and Superbike, lots of gear reviews and bike reviews. I've found it (for sure) at the following: Bailey's Crossroads Borders on Rt. 7 Manassas Borders just N. of 66 on 234 Manassas Barnes & Noble a few lights S. of 66 on 234 Bethesda Barnes & Noble in downtown Bethesda Rockville(?) Borders on Rt. 355 Seven Corners Barnes & Noble in Seven Corners shopping center, intersection rt.7, 50, & Wilson blvd. I'm pretty sure it's carried at the other locations, but maybe the magazine selection is up to each individual store. Chrsi Weaver -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 9:40 AM To: Christopher Weaver Subject: RE: RiDE magazine? Thanks. I've never been able to find it at any bookstore, including several Borders and the local B&N. Which one(s) in particular have you find the magazine at? (And this is the British RiDE, not the US Rider, right?) many thanks, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Christopher Weaver" Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:32:52 -0700 >RiDE is carried by all area Barnes & Noble and Borders bookstores. You'll >also occasionally find it on newstands of small magazine shops (such as one >in downtown Bethesda). If you're looking for the big RiDER survey, it's got >a bright green (think Kawasaki) cover. I have most copies of RiDE except for >the rider survey if you just need a xerox or some stats or something. > >Cheers, >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR > >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 9:24 AM >To: List-dc cycles >Subject: RiDE magazine? > > >Hi, all, > >Anyone know of a place to buy or order a copy of RiDE magazine (British >motorcycling magazine)? > >thanks, >Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 13:30:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JHUFK20343 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va9-59.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.123]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08045; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EF5B6A.71FBDB08@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:36:58 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: RiDE magazine? References: <200010191223.AA114819492@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In addition to the places Chris Weaver suggested, you can always fly across the pond to the UK to pick one up! %^) I did this last month and got the November 2000 issues of my favorite Brit m/c mags: SuperBike, Performance Bike, and Bike. Cheers, Chuck Chris Norloff wrote: > > Hi, all, > > Anyone know of a place to buy or order a copy of RiDE magazine (British motorcycling magazine)? From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 13:31:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JHVFK20353 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA14044; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:25:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: , Subject: RE: multiple questions - frame sliders - headlight prism - tail light kit Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:31:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I think there was an article on www.tl1000.com about the turn signal/taillight thing. It's a bad idea IMO, but it's up to you. Chris Weaver '98 VTR -----Original Message----- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 12:36 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: multiple questions - frame sliders - headlight prism - tail light kit I seem to recall leon telling me how to use a trailer wiring kit to make motorcycle brake lights also work as turn signals.. someone (leon?) wanna post information on that? you buy the trailer kit from track auto and hook up what to what? ;) (friend of mine wants me to hook it up for him). From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 13:31:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JHVvK20363 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001019173144.4778.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:31:44 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:31:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Stress Relief To: Rob Keiser , perrycoleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And its actually a better gun then those jamming Beretta crapy things! You made the right choice! Glenn --- Rob Keiser wrote: > Definitely not humor-impaired ;^) > > I actually had my eye on the Beretta, but fell for > the clever, "..see you > can smash this piece of the gun against the wall > without damaging it..." > line. IOW, I was young, wanted one, and they had it > in stock. > It's still been a fun weapon to shoot. > > As for the .40, I just like round numbers , plus I > thought 15 and 1 was > enough. ;^) > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > > PS. Uh, oh. More gun talk. I can see the > "Unsubscribe" posts coming > now... > > > >From: "Perry Coleman" > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Stress Relief > >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:18:20 EDT > > > >Glock?!?! Harumph! Beretta rules! ;^) > >.40?!?!? Sheesh, couldn't make up your mind between > 9mm or .45? ;^) ;^) > > > >Perry > > > >p.s. The above is humor. If you are humor-impaired, > ultra sensitive, or > >just > >high strung, please delete this message and move > on. > > > >>From: "Rob Keiser" > >>To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >>Subject: Re: Stress Relief > >>Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:51:33 EDT > >> > >>Glock - 22 .40 cal > >> > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 13:34:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JHYkK20377 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va9-59.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.123]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA31078; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EF5C40.22C08BDE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:40:32 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) References: <20001019164150.7465.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But Tom... It's YOU posting, after all. Why wouldn't you think that it would get lost (or ignored)? %^) Chuck Tom Gimer wrote : > > correct....and i believe my (non-expert) point of view on > this topic was lost somewhere in the 'mess' of the past day > or so, so i'll restate it: i THINK that covering the rear From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 13:44:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JHi3K20644 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va9-59.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.123]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27168; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EF5EA0.3EDABD16@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:50:40 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Weaver CC: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RiDE magazine? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those that aren't Brit m/c mag connoisseurs... Here in the good 'ol USofA, the various stores (Borders, Barnes & Noble, etc.) who stock Brit m/c mags usually get them at the beginning of the month for that calendar month. i.e., The October issues of RiDE, Bike, SB, PB, FB, etc. is usually on the shelf on or about October 1st (wheras by October 1st you should be seeing the November issues of US m/c mags). If you want to pick up a copy of any or all of these mags, I would strongly suggest you get to the store on the 1st of the month or soon thereafter. It's not at all unusual for a store(s) to be sold out of some (or all) of these mags by the second week of the month (or to have only ratty copies that everyone and that mother has thumbed through). Cheers, Chuck Christopher Weaver wrote: > > Yep, that's the mag. British, a little more serious than Performance Bikes > and Superbike, lots of gear reviews and bike reviews. > > I've found it (for sure) at the following: > Bailey's Crossroads Borders on Rt. 7 > Manassas Borders just N. of 66 on 234 > Manassas Barnes & Noble a few lights S. of 66 on 234 > Bethesda Barnes & Noble in downtown Bethesda > Rockville(?) Borders on Rt. 355 > Seven Corners Barnes & Noble in Seven Corners shopping center, intersection > rt.7, 50, & Wilson blvd. > > I'm pretty sure it's carried at the other locations, but maybe the magazine > selection is up to each individual store. > > Chrsi Weaver > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 9:40 AM > To: Christopher Weaver > Subject: RE: RiDE magazine? > > Thanks. I've never been able to find it at any bookstore, including several > Borders and the local B&N. > > Which one(s) in particular have you find the magazine at? (And this is the > British RiDE, not the US Rider, right?) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 13:44:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JHiHK20654 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-115.s369.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.115]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13mJjj-0005mX-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:44:16 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: metzler mez4 dissatisfaction Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:51:56 -0700 Message-ID: <03nuus43rfhd11t8up7ga1lmoh6ekfd86n@4ax.com> References: <92.b4936b1.271f7134@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <92.b4936b1.271f7134@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e9JHiJK20655 With my bike, maximum front braking pulls the rear wheel off the ground... rear wheel braking under panic stops seems to fishtail. in the rain, i use engine braking and use light rear brake. Because the rear wheel slip is easier to regain than a front wheel slip.. I'd rather use the front wheels traction for keeping the bike up and the rear wheels traction for braking, when it's wet. I figure if I never use the rear brake, in a panic I'll do what i'm accostumed to; not using the rear brake. in grass, gravel, wet, or low speed u turns, I use my rear brake. I used to use trail braking until one time i did it too hard and had my back end slide out.. but it caught traction and i recovered.. it probably helped that i came off the gas for a split second and leaned forward over the bars.. just out of natural instinct/reaction... just my .02 of what i've noticed and how i ride.. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 13:50:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JHnwK20741 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va9-59.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.123]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAB19700; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EF5FC1.33B51129@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:55:29 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn Dysart CC: Rob Keiser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stress Relief References: <20001019173144.4778.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To continue the gun thread and see more "unsubscribe" posts appear... Except that Glocks in .40S&W are known to go KA-BOOM! They have an unsupported chamber. With exceptionally hot loads (i.e., usually re-loads, not factory ammo), it's more than possible to have way too much pressure causing the case to bulge and the gun to explode in your hand. Don't get me wrong, I love Glocks. Think they're great guns. Used to own a 19 (IMHO the best and quintessential Glock). And FWIW, Beretta 92s are notoriously jam-free. The "cutaway" slide design all but ensures near jam-free operation, even under "severe" circumstances. OK, back to motorcycle talk. %^) => gratuitous smiley face for Sean Jordan! Chuck Glenn Dysart wrote: > > And its actually a better gun then those jamming > Beretta crapy things! You made the right choice! From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 13:53:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web1205.mail.yahoo.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JHrlK20846 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3802 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2000 17:53:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20001019175344.3801.qmail@web1205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.5.27.136] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:53:44 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:53:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "E. Rittershausen" Reply-To: etrigan@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Allright, now I'm confused. To my mind, covering the rear brake all the time and using the rear brake are two different things. Yes, covering the rear brake would be bad - among other things, you can A) drag the brakes, wearing down the pads/rotors and overheating them, B)have the rear brake light come on constantly, meaning that the cage behind you doesn't react when you DO brake, or C)hit them a lot harder than you mean to. OTOH, just using the rear brakes once in a while isn't a bad thing. Obviously this is going to depend on your riding style, the setup of your bike, and what phase the moon is in. Todd --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > BOTTOM LINE: As with most things in life, I don't think > > there are any absolutes. There are times when the > > smart/prudent thing to do is use only the front brake > > (even when straight up and going in a straight > > line). There are probably other times when you need to > > use both (and know how to use them both properly). > > correct....and i believe my (non-expert) point of view on > this topic was lost somewhere in the 'mess' of the past day > or so, so i'll restate it: i THINK that covering the rear > brake at all times with your foot is a bad thing. the rear > brake is something that isn't needed all the time, and when > it is you can simply depress the pedal. even in a panic > stop, there IS time to activate your foot and engage the > rear. covering it and using it all the time will, imo, get > you in more trouble than only using it when you need it. > > some people even put a little bit of air in the rear brake > line to soften up its bite....i'd do that if i could just > keep battley cycles from using it's "Fecal Touch" on my m/c > > > > -- > tg > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ ===== Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 13:55:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JHteK20859 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9JHtaj11490124 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EF3589.800D9FBF@radix.net> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:55:21 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stress Relief References: <20001019173144.4778.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Dysart wrote: > > And its actually a better gun then those jamming > Beretta crapy things! You made the right choice! SHYEAH! nothing like having your front sight fall off half way through a mag of ammo, then, after emptying the mag, hitting the release, only to have to physically pull the magazine from the well, dropping it to the dissatisfying sound of said magazine breaking into several pieces as it hits the ground. After giving up in frustration, you pick up the remaining pieces of your magazine, collect your target at the next range clear, crumbling it up in a rage when you see not one single round in the ten ring. On the way home, you're somewhat vexed to hear that Glock has actually just recalled ALL the Metro DC police weapons for a 'voluntary' replacement due to defect... or so said my buddy, who was/is a DC cop... isn't Glock Yiddish for goofy ? ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 14:02:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JI20K21074 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-115.s369.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.115]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13mK0r-00029X-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:01:58 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Define red light running. Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:09:39 -0700 Message-ID: <6oouus0fcavoh93jpsoi2p5t77dsjfu5vc@4ax.com> References: <20001017160951.8801.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e9JI23K21075 At the interesection of MD route 450 and princess garden parkway the company truck got a ticket... with 3 photos.. one was the truck infront of the line while the light was red, one was with the truck in the middle of the interesection with the light red, and one was with the truck on the other side of the intersection, the light red... in the pictures.. every tag and street sign was glowing.. that reflective material that is in the paint.. I wonder how effective the camera would be if the paint were just a flat white normal color? If I happen to get a free can of white spray paint i may 'touch up some scratches i have on my plate'... but i dont' see a need to go out and buy some paint, since i can't see myself running red lights.. especially not on my bike.. plus i wonder how effectively bikes trigger the camera? doesn't matter, like i said.. I'm not out to run any redlights.. that's a good way to get hit trying to make the light.. Danny From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 14:06:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JI6JK21164 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9JI6Ij11599424 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EF380A.C82CE63A@radix.net> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:06:02 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stress Relief References: <20001019173144.4778.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> <39EF5FC1.33B51129@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chuck Pena wrote: > > To continue the gun thread and see more "unsubscribe" posts appear... > > Except that Glocks in .40S&W are known to go KA-BOOM! Not just the .40's... > They have an > unsupported chamber. With exceptionally hot loads (i.e., usually > re-loads, not factory ammo), it's more than possible to have way too > much pressure causing the case to bulge and the gun to explode in your > hand. 2 things - 1, the cases always 'bulge' a little [actually expand would better describe it] which holds the case in place against the chamber, forcing the bullet forward... 2: If you're getting visible case bulging with hand loads, you're definitely doing it wrong. In fact, if you're getting case bulging, or cracking with handloads - stop firing them, go back home, pull the bullets, & reprocess the remains using less powder. > Don't get me wrong, I love Glocks. Think they're great guns. > Used to own a 19 (IMHO the best and quintessential Glock). they're love 'em or hate 'em pieces. And FWIW, > Beretta 92s are notoriously jam-free. I've gone in excess of 11,000 rounds without a misfire, jam or other malfunction w/ my 92FS & would have made several thousand rounds more, but for 1st batch of handloads that went through my progressive reloading press. I reprocessed them as required & have since not had any trouble. > The "cutaway" slide design all > but ensures near jam-free operation, even under "severe" circumstances. you get what you pay for ... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 14:10:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JIAjK21196 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrash [192.9.200.199] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:09:22 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Re: RiDE magazine? Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:09:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c039f7$c5680d90$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 The best newsstand I've found in the area is in the back corner of the shopping center with Greevys (Gallows Rd.&50 in Falls Church). Once you get past the immense porn section, they have a huge selection of mags relating to all my hobbies (including most of the british mags, don't know about RiDE specifically though). Lots of specialty mags. Also, the guys who work there know their stuff. If they don't have it, they usually know where you can get it or will get it for you. I've been looking for a decent newsstand in MD since moving here (large porn section optional). Any ideas? Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 14:12:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JICeK21270 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G2O00701VWSA5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:12:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G2O006BPVWS0G@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:12:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) id <0G2O00B01VWSA7@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:12:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0G2O00B01VWN9B@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:12:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0G2O00B11VWD20@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:12:13 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:11:16 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: My FitE ride, NASCAR style To: DC Cycles List Message-id: <39EF3944.AF2C0B34@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en "Well, we had a good run on the Number #9 Orkin/Raid/DCon BugSlayer Kawasaki today, I was sure glad for a good finish after that DNF back in Chicago. I won't have enough points for the championship this year, but it's been a real good season, starting in Daytona, finished last in the 20/20 but still had a good time, we run good in Texas, too (but that was an exhibition event) and we're just happy to wrap up the season today with a strong showing. My pit stops were great all day long, my boys got me in and out of the stalls in record time, smooth zipper action, no messes. Dunlop brought a real good tire here to Morganton today, the Elite IIs stuck real well in the corners and let me run as hard as I wanted to on the straights. They even done good on the 10 miles of marbles comin' out of the 'Garden. Got hung up in traffic a little bit, but was able to pass pretty easily. I run by myself most of the day. Passed the #6 and and the 69 bike goin' the other ways, I couldn't figure out what them boys was up to. Had somebody cut a tire down in front of me before that last corner, but Ahmet and Jane on the Number 60 bike were right there to take care of things. We was running all right until one of my highway pegs worked itself loose, that late pit stop kind of slowed us down a little bit. Kinda got pressed for time headin' to the finish, but my spotters on the radio were right on with the bear reports. That thing I wanted was to get caught speeding on pit row. I'd like to thank my sponsors, Russell Saddles, Gerbing Electric Clothing, Baker Air wings, Johar grips, Uniden radios, Nolan helmets, all my fans on the COG list, and my wife Tracy, who also had a good run today. Now where is that BBQ? Yee Haw!" :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 14:24:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JIOKK21457 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Bluice101@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.f3.3b71946 (3970) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:24:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Bluice101@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:24:08 EDT Subject: It was fun, but......... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 114 I need to unsubscribe I am getting ride of my ISP and picking up a new one. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 14:30:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JIUIK21626 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06402 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:30:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:30:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: GRRRR. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just went to pick up the VFR -- found out that I now have 2 peices of destroyed body work. It /did/ have a brake fluid leak, and I was expecting to have to do some repainting, but this was destroyed. As in totally cracked, and then attempted to get glued back together. There's also a bunch of scratches on the right side mirror, as if it had been dropped, that I don't recall being there before. I'm working on asking the previous owner, but he's not online right now. I'm really not happy -- and the service manager wasn't there, although, the mechanic who did the work and admitted to the the attempted repair job on the body work, was. Bike is still there. Anyone have experience on what brake fluid will do to plastic? Will it cause it to totally crack? I knew it would destroy paint. Mike, the service manager, is supposed to be in tomorrow. I'm going to call and discuss this with him. I think that its unacceptable that they didn't at least give me a call and say something about this before I went to pick it up -- much less the fact that it got broken in the first place. They also didn't do an inspection I'd asked them to do, claiming that the DMV sent the wrong kind of stickers. GRRR. Also, any of the VFR riders have a good source for plastic bits? Is a Black 1992 model, if that means anything. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 14:33:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JIXkK21644 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-115.s369.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.115]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13mKVb-00003K-00 ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:33:44 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Bill Huson Cc: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chrome vs Polish Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:41:24 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1a6qusgb9nk4sku67jhn086m8bp10tvv7o@4ax.com> <39ED0CCB.BA2839B@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <39ED0CCB.BA2839B@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e9JIXnK21645 On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:36:59 -0400, you wrote: |>> painting the inner wheel and spokes to match the bike and polishing |>> the lips looks good. We do it for $500. |> |>$500 to paint the wheel innards and polish the rim? Sheesh, drop yo' |>pants and bend ovah!!! I agree with you.. I'd never pay that.. that's what the shop charges.. and some people actually get it.. oh well that's them. If you know what the cost is up front, and agree to pay it, I can't see that as getting stiffed in anyway.. you're just choosing to pay a price. (a price that seems high to you and me.) actually let's work it out.. $80 for the paint (factory paint) how much labor? remove front wheel, rear wheel, paint the wheels, polish the four lips, replace the 2 wheels. How many hours of labor should that be? I'm guessing 2 to 6 hours? I have no idea how long polishing the lips take. so that would be about $120 to $360? + $80 in paint... maybe the price works out? I dont' know. I actually don't care.. you probably can have someone do it cheaper. |>> if you chrome the wheel you should chrome the rotors too for a really |>> nice look, since the rotors tend to block a lot of the view. |> |>Oh yeah, that makes sense - chrome the BRAKE rotors. Don't forget to wax |>them too, gotta keep that chrome looking good. Not on the braking surface silly. On the inner part. Take a good look at a sportbike that is a show bike. |>> makesure you get a good chroming place though, that won't take forever, |>> or |>> stiff you. |>> |> |>Lemme see, guy who charges $500 to hose a wheel and spiff up the rim is |>warning about a chrome shop *stiffing* you??? no, stiffing you, as in, keeping your wheels, selling them to support their drug habbit. It has happened. Be careful of who you ship your wheels off to. And where did you read we charge $500 to 'hose and spiff up' a rim. mousetrapracing (MTR) charges $500 to sand and buff the lips of your rim to a mirror like shine (polished aluminum), and paint the hubs and spokes to a color to match your bike with the same factory paint. Polish' in bike terms, is the term for removing paint and/or rough layers of aluminum, until you get 'polished aluminum' shine around your rims (or frame/swing arm).. not the 'polish' as in soap, water, metal polish chemical' that you seem to be thinking about.. No chemical is used except for up keep, like mothers polish that you are thinking about. |>The mind boggles.... especially when you don't understand what you're responding to. |>Bill - laughing blissfully eh. I'm just giving advice, I'm not trying to sell anything. Personally, I wouldn't pay $500 for the polish/paint job. It looks good but.. it's a little pricey and requires more upkeep than just a painted rim, or chrome rim.. I'm not even sure i'm going to stay with MTR. I could say bad things about them but i won't. I hold them to standards of any other bike store.. if they suck, i hope they get boycotted, if they are good, i'll say they are good. If someone wants to shell out $500 the wheel paint and polish, MTR is good, but tell them you want a written gaurantee that it'll be done on time, a specific time. That's all I have to say. Oh And you get $50 off if you put a mouse trap racing sticker on your bike. I think we have examples of that look on the website, www.mousetrapracing.com . Personally I wouldn't pay $450 for it. If i wanted it done, i'd find some type of local person who could do it cheaper, probably for a lot less money, or do it myself. But then once a week i'd be out there applying mothers metal polish to the lips of the wheel to keep them looking miror like. not my idea of fun. I'll stick with factory painted rims. Daniel not the stiffin type From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 14:39:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JIdDK21723 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com ([208.213.159.68]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id OAA28567; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EF3E98.CC814A3D@pti.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:34:00 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Harrell CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: DCCycles.com Problems? References: <20001019105710.A3426@bittwiddlers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For me it was the whole site. I'm running windows 2K pro and have the standard color scheme. I can see the engine diagram but the backdrop is white. Didn't know if I was the only one having the problem so I thought I would throw it out there. Site looks great when I use IE. Good work everyone, love the site. Nelson Matthew Harrell wrote: > : > : Well, I don't know if there's a specific problem with 4.75, but it works > : okay on 4.7. That's pretty wierd. I'll look into it. > : > > This is in reference to the whole site and not one specific page, right? My > version of 4.75 works fine with the site. > > Looks good. > > -- > Matthew Harrell Behind every great computer sits > Bit Twiddlers, Inc. a skinny little geek. > http://alecto.bittwiddlers.com > > '98 VFR 800, red > '95 Mazda RX-7, black > '91 Mazda Navaho, silver From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 14:44:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web221.mail.yahoo.com (web221.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JIicK21839 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001019184435.98278.qmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.95.0.211] by web221.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:44:35 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:44:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: Great Job on the DC Cycles Website!! To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX, dccwebsite@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Awesome website, Chris and Laura!! I've been kinda out-of-the-loop recently in keeping up with all the postings, and I saw a couple here-and-there mentioning the "soon-to-be-published" website. But I just checked it out for the first time and am VERY impressed. Kudos to the two of you for taking the initiative to do this. I really like the design and content. Chris - here's my personalized tag and bio you can post it on the site: Tag ==> DRNALN - "Adrenaline" 98 VFR 800 Location - Arlington, VA Occupation - Senior Software Consultant Current M/C - 1998 Honda VFR 800 Previous M/Cs - 1999 Yamaha V-Star 1100, 1987 Honda VF1000R, 1985 Honda VF750R, 1988 Kawasaki EX500, 1987 Suzuki Intruder 700, 1985 Yamaha SRX250 Favorite part about riding - Seeing the world from a different "angle" - a 30 degree one. Glenn Braunstein __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 14:45:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JIjBK21918 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06980 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:45:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:45:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GRRRR. In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001019144104.00db26f0@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Troutman wrote: > Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:41:10 -0400 > From: Troutman > To: Dan Brown > Subject: Re: GRRRR. > > Which dealer? Oh, Sorry -- Louden Motorsports. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 15:02:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JJ2dK22194 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13mKwS-00032I-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:01:28 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:02:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stress Relief In-Reply-To: <20001019173144.4778.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > And its actually a better gun then those jamming > Beretta crapy things! You made the right choice! > You're a lot more likely to need a new RR for your VFR then to have a 92FS jam. You're also more likely to have a Glock go KaBoom then need a new RR. 6k rounds through my Beretta without a jam, ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 15:06:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JJ6YK22293 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9JJ6Vj10306207 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EF4627.A890BAA@radix.net> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:06:15 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stress Relief References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > > 6k rounds through my Beretta without a jam, Jeez Louise Hugh, didn't you shoot any the other 364 days of the year ???? :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 15:13:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JJDKK22407 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13mL6u-0003UQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:12:16 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:13:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:07:00 -0700 From: gc_yamr1@XXXXXX To: twg@XXXXXX Subject: Yahoo! Clubs DC Sportbike Riders I would like to notify everyone that DCSR lost a member of our family in a motorcycle accident earlier this week. His name was Brandon Jimney. His funeral arrangements are as follows. DeVOL Funeral Home, 10E Deer Park Dr., Gaithersburg, MD on Friday, from 2-4 and 6-8. Mass of Christian Burial will be offered at St. Martin's Catholic Church, 200 S. Frederick Ave., Gaithersburg, MD 20877 on Saturday, October 21st, 2000 at 11a.m. Interment St. Mary's Cemetery, Rockville, MD. I will be attending the wake tomorrow between 2-4pm and I urge every member of DCSR to make it to support the family and show how much we all care. We will be leaving for the East Coast Fallen Riders Rally Friday at 6:30pm from the Park & Ride at the 95/495 split in Maryland. We ask all DCSR members to be in attendance for the Rally this weekend. GC President DC Sportbike From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 15:16:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JJGUK22486 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18632 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2000 19:16:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20001019191620.18631.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:16:20 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:16:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: multiple questions - frame sliders - headlight prism - tail light kit To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I seem to recall leon telling me how to use a > trailer wiring kit to > make motorcycle brake lights also work as turn > signals.. someone > (leon?) wanna post information on that? you buy > the trailer kit from > track auto and hook up what to what? ;) (friend > of mine wants me to > hook it up for him). The Ninja 250 is suited for this, not sure about others. The Ninja 250 has two extra tail-light lenses that have no bulb sockets in them. You can get the sockets, bulbs and wiring from almost any auto parts store. Next, decide how you want these bulbs to work. If you only want to replace the turn signals, you can get single element bulbs and simply plug the wires from the turn signals into the new sockets. A second option is to get double element bulbs (1157) and wire the tail light into the low power element and the turn signals into the bright element. A third method is to use a trailer towing conversion kit and use the extra bulbs as combination brake light and turn-signals. If you buy the conversion box that allows you to tow a trailer that has combined lights with a car that has separate brake light and turn signals, it will wire up just fine. Simply call the two new lights 'trailer' and wire it up according to the directions. I like the trailer conversion, it lets me have redundancy for all of the lights, 3 tail lights, 3 brakelights and 4 turnsignals. That way I've still got something back there working, even if one bulb burns out. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 15:27:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JJRIK22668 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13mLKO-00047e-00; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:26:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:27:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: Dave Yates cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stress Relief In-Reply-To: <39EF4627.A890BAA@radix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Dave Yates wrote: > Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > > > > > > 6k rounds through my Beretta without a jam, > > Jeez Louise Hugh, didn't you shoot any the other 364 days of the year > ???? :-) > Hey what can I say I've only been shooting for a little less then 300 days and I did manage to put 20k+ rounds through my Buckmark and ~1k throght my Performance Center 629. Now if my Marlin would finally show up I could go give Bambi a serious case of lead poisoning. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 15:38:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JJc0K22837 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6064 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2000 19:37:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20001019193754.6063.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [153.2.247.11] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:37:54 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:37:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Stress Relief To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Close, but that's Schlock. Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E > isn't Glock Yiddish for goofy ? ;-) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 15:49:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mail.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JJnkK23032 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id i.6f.bf22c1c (15814); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web28.aolmail.aol.com (web28.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.4]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.20) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:49:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:49:01 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re(2): Cycles USA To: , Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <6f.bf22c1c.2720aa2d@aol.com> You mean I've been going there for the past couple years and could have been saving money with my AMA card? Sh!T!!! I wonder if I could get a refund for a couple years work performed? ;-) Scooter (AMA cardholder who doesn't use it) In a message dated Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:24:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Doug Allis" writes: << The Cycles Sport Springfield store guys have been very good to my bikes over the years. They rebuilt the engine of my first bike after the timing chain went. They get the work done when they say they will and they give good advise. But its a small shop with an excellent reputation so they are not cheap and they are usually very busy. I think Bob and Ed are two of the best bike mechanics in the area, and they are both enthusiastic bikers. They take 10 % off if you have a valid AMA card. Tell them I sent you. Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX >From: uboser@XXXXXX (Ulrich Boser) >To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX >CC: rob_bell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re(2): Cycles USA >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:28:00 -0400 > > >Hello, > >I am a new to the dc-cycles list-serv but couldn't help following up on >Rob's question. Does anyone have a good service department that they would >recommend in the DC area??? > >Thanks, > >Ulrich >'82 GS 650 > >perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > >Rob, > > > >In my experience, the sales guys are no worse than usual - they'll even > >just > >shoot the breeze if they're not busy. The parts guys are generally very > >good > >- and they give a 10% discount to AMA members. The service department is > >slow and pricy, but they've never actually f'ed anything up that I've > >taken > >in. Of course, I've only been in the service department like 3 times in > >the > >last 15 years, or so... > > > >As always, YMMV... > > > >Perry > > > >>From: "Rob Bell" > >>To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > >>Subject: Cycles USA > >>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:38 -0400 > >> > >>I don't remember seeing anything in the many "dealer as evil incarnate > >>discussions" but for those of you who've dealt w/ Cycles USA in Silver > >>Spring > >>can you give me a heads up what to expect from sales or service depts? > >(I > >>know > >>they could at worst be runner up since the actual evil incarnate spot is > >>spoken > >>for) > >> > >>TIA. keep the shiny side up > >>Rob > >> > >>'0? ZX-9R (coming soon to a garage near me) > >>'96 VFR (for sale) > >>'93 GS500 (for sale) > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 16:07:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JK75K23345 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:06:53 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F77FF99@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Those little chrome aux lights... & Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:07:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Winter: Jeannette asked, "So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? Up? "does not compute" You going on a long vacation? Staying warm: Look Ma, no easy to break filament wires! http://www.gr8designs.com/Pages/CassiarFea.html http://www.gr8designs.com Prices and sizes: http://www.gr8designs.com/PriceList.html Those little chrome aux lights: Rob Keiser offered, "Not sure if this is what you meant, but try: http://www.motolight.com/ " Cough $275/295 . . .and they charge for shipping ackk FWIW, Wally-Mart sells those GE MR16 bulbs for ~$5 in 25 - 75 watt flavors in the home light bulb dept. A SabMag lister took a pair, stuck them into flood light fixtures ($2 ea) and mounted them on his Connie fairing. If you squinted, they looked fine. At night they looked wonderful. Only drawback was he couldn't locate MR16 mounts so he soldered the bulbs to the wires thus, making field replacement difficult. MR16 s come in spot and flood configurations and have a color temperature of 2900 K. LindaT sed, "Check out http://www.sporttouringusa.com/" $130-140 much better. But if yer a cheep bar-steward, my favorite motorsickle accessory store, Wally-Mart has similar lights for $45; uglier ones for <$20. Oh, and they sell Stabil cheaply.(I should be asking for a commission) Reporting Aggressive drivers in Arlington: Chris Norloff narrated: "After twice seeing a Brain Dead Cager stop in traffic on Washington Blvd to let off a passenger (right next to a parking lot she won't turn in to), I called Arlington County police (703.558.2222 non-emergency). They took a report and said they'd send a letter to the car owner, advising of what had been reported, and asking them to drive more carefully and considerately." In Merryland, the State and Monkey County folks reply, "If we didn't see it, it didn't happen. But the State folk did say they'd be on the look out for a repeat." Red-Light Cams Glenn preached, "Using technology to enforce traffic violations is a bad thing." & Yates quipped, "Ahh, but using superior technology to defeat the technologically enforced traffic laws is soooooooooo satisyfing" Yer callin' a Louisville Slugger "superior technology"? Hmmm, Todd opined, "IMO, a $50 fine for running a red light doesn't seem to be nearly enough deterrance. It's a money-mill. And it also leaves those that would run a light with the impression that a simple monetary loss is worth it. That puts everyone at risk. Hey, could we get a creative law-suit against the gubmnt for negligence?" Aw contrary. I've noticed in the District, folks (even taxis!!) are hitting the brakes at yellow lights. $50 here and $100 there adds up -- plus, they're applying points =8^O So, you could call braking at the yellow "another bizarre hazard" Last August, as the green light flipped to yellow, I expected the van ahead of me to maybe go on. I certainly didn't expect the car in front of it to slam on the brakes. Broke a tibia as I clipped his bumper swerving to avoid a full faced pranging. Carl in Bethesda PMS sufferer (Parked Motorcycle Syndrome) From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 16:17:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web216.mail.yahoo.com (web216.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.116]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JKHDK23505 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20961 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2000 20:17:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20001019201710.20960.qmail@web216.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.95.0.185] by web216.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:17:10 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:17:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: Paging Hugh Caldwell - Very Important Message Regarding Loudoun 9 Ticket and Tomorrow's Deadline!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hugh- I just got a call from Gerald Hubbard who got a call from Carleton Penn, who needs you to call him ASAP. He claims you have not yet completed the VA Driving School for our Loudoun 9 charge, and if you recall, tomorrow is our deadline to do so. Call Carleton ASAP at 703-591-4900. Sorry for the wide distribution here (and for publicizing this to everyone on the group), but I had not other way to get this to you ASAP. If anyone knows Hugh's contact info directly, please forward this message to him ASAP. Glenn Braunstein __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 16:21:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JKLLK23592 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.ba.c62650a (4200) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:21:09 -0400 (EDT) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:21:09 EDT Subject: Re: Cold Winter Gear To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 In a message dated 10/19/00 12:00:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mriderleon@XXXXXX writes: > http://www.gr8designs.com/ I just got one of these along with a Heat-Troller. Nice vest, seems very well made. The company is mail order only so far, so if you want to check one out and aren't going to be near Ohio, give me a buzz. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 16:23:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from FW2.dt.navy.mil (FW2.dt.navy.mil [192.5.27.136]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JKNLK23602 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by FW2.dt.navy.mil; id QAA10924; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(130.46.225.16) by FW2.dt.navy.mil via smap (V5.5) id xma010798; Thu, 19 Oct 00 16:22:57 -0400 Received: from NAVGATE.dt.navy.mil (navgate.dt.navy.mil [130.46.225.15]) by smtprelay.dt.navy.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA26011 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:22:49 -0400 Received: from crbeex01.nswccd.navy.mil ([130.46.5.84]) by NAVGATE.dt.navy.mil (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2000101916275724527 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:27:57 -0400 Received: by crbeex01.nswccd.navy.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:22:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1F9F67162ADED3119F18009027A8F40471D5F8@crbeex03.dt.navy.mil> From: Silberg Eric J CRBE To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: re: stress relief Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:22:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C03A0A.59A44D0C" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03A0A.59A44D0C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Laura, Never shot a gun before - well, a few rounds from an M16, rephrase: never shot a pistol before but I would go to shootin' party with them biker types... Anyway, let me know if you get it going.... Later, Eric from one of those Summit races in September, I think... ******************* Eric Silberg Marine and Aviation, code 5300 Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division 9500 MacArthur Blvd West Bethesda, MD 20817-5700 (301) 227-1595 (voice) (301) 227-2584 (fax) SilbergEJ@XXXXXX www.dt.navy.mil ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03A0A.59A44D0C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Laura,
 
Never shot a gun before - well, a few rounds from an M16, rephrase: never shot a pistol before but I would go to shootin' party with them biker types...  Anyway, let me know if you get it going....  Later, Eric from one of those Summit races in September, I think...

*******************
Eric Silberg
Marine and Aviation, code 5300
Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division
9500 MacArthur Blvd
West Bethesda, MD 20817-5700

(301) 227-1595 (voice)
(301) 227-2584 (fax)
SilbergEJ@XXXXXX
www.dt.navy.mil

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C03A0A.59A44D0C-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 16:25:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JKPZK23616 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQjlpx29071 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:25:33 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjlpx19714 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:24:17 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:24:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: PAGING HUGH CALDWELL! IMPORTANT! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hugh, page me at 1-888-770-0656. Or call Carleton Penn at 703-591-4900. You can also reach him at "cp@XXXXXX" or "cp3and4@XXXXXX" -- Sean Jordan Macintosh Systems Analyst (703)-886-7661 UUNET Technologies, Inc. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 16:28:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mail.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JKSIK23708 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 4.87.1b2e140 (4200); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:27:56 -0400 (EDT) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <87.1b2e140.2720b34b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:27:55 EDT Subject: Re: RiDE magazine? To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 In a message dated 10/19/00 12:26:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > Anyone know of a place to buy or order a copy of RiDE magazine (British > motorcycling magazine)? I subscribed last year from: Motorsport 550 Honey Locust Rd Jonesburg, MO 63351-9600 $54/yr or if you call him you can pay by credit card which will cost a few bucks more. I don't have the phone number anymore, but 411 has it. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 16:42:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f181.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.181]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JKgkK23963 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:42:38 -0700 Received: from 172.128.4.179 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:42:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [172.128.4.179] From: "Rob Keiser" To: yert@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold Winter Gear Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:42:38 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2000 20:42:38.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E55F6F0:01C03A0D] Here you go: Mike Vlahos Distributor Gerbing's Heated Clothing P.O. Box 271 Mt. Airy, MD 21771-0271 Phone/Fax: 301-829-0452 Home: 301-831-0791 Pager: 1-800-260-3303 Email: mgvlahos@XXXXXX Rob >From: Tom (Trey) Herb >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Cold Winter Gear >Date: 19 Oct 2000 08:49:53 -0700 > >I would really like to have this information. I need to speak with an >expert in this field. I have a 99 Triumph Trophy I am outfitting for all >season riding/touring. > >Thanks > > >On Thu, 19 October 2000, "Rob Keiser" wrote: > > > > > Actually, the local distributor is Mike Vlahos in Mt. Airy, MD. Just >about > > 10 miles North of Damascus. He's a great guy to deal with and I'm sure > > wouldn't mind a vist if you wanted to try some stuff on. > > > > I don't have his number here at work, but I can find it for you when I >get > > home and post it. Or maybe George has it available. You out there? > > > > YMMV, no affiliation, yadda yadda yadda > > > > Rob > > '98 VFR800 > > Gerbing Gloves/Thin Jacket Liner/Dual Heat Troller...mmmmm Toasty! > > > > > > >From: Jeannette Zell > > >To: "Robert Beatty" , > > >Subject: Re: Cold Winter Gear > > >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:18:02 -0400 > > > > > >I got mine online from Gerbing. They're not local, but I recall they >were > > >pretty fast. : ) > > > > > >http://www.gerbing.com > > > > > >- Jeannette > > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > >At 09:12 AM 10/19/00 -0400, Robert Beatty wrote: > > > > > > > > Where is a local or internet store to find some nice electric gear? >I > > >rode in > > > > today and if I don't get some better, I'll be a popsicle very very >soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > CBR929 > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 16:48:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f173.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JKmjK24062 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:48:37 -0700 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:48:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: To recap Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:48:37 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2000 20:48:37.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[F484BEA0:01C03A0D] OK, to recap what I've learned, or decided, today: I will only wave at other bikers wearing chrome-plated, lanyard loop equipped, Beretta 92FS semi-automatic pistols chambered in 9mm, who stop for yellow lights in Maryland. ;^) I feel like I'm forgetting something... Perry _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 16:52:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JKqHK24141 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001019205209.13636.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.249] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:52:09 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:52:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: PAGING HUGH CALDWELL! IMPORTANT! To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i forwarded this to hugh at twg@XXXXXX add him to your address books you co-conspiring co-defendants! --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Hugh, page me at 1-888-770-0656. Or call Carleton Penn at > > 703-591-4900. You can also reach him at > "cp@XXXXXX" or > "cp3and4@XXXXXX" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 17:35:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JLZXK24847 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Thu Oct 19 14:34:47 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:34:47 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Cold Winter Gear X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As far as I can tell the bike pictured is a VFR. Has anybody seen hard bags like that though? Who makes them? http://www.widder.com/pat.htm theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 17:58:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mail.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JLw0K25198 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 6.17.c80279b (3969); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:57:43 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <17.c80279b.2720c857@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:57:43 EDT Subject: Re: Cold Winter Gear To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 104 In a message dated 10/19/00 5:42:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > As far as I can tell the bike pictured is a VFR. Has anybody seen hard bags > like that though? Who makes them? I believe those are "Beetle bags", made by Corbin. VFR guys/gals? - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 18:14:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JME9K25454 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Thu Oct 19 15:13:58 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:13:58 -0700 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Cold Winter Gear X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit so for those who own vests, how often do the likes of filament type vest break? eg. Widder/Gerbing? theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 18:27:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JMR3K25705 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.6.cf133c6 (4008) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:26:54 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6.cf133c6.2720cf2d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:26:53 EDT Subject: Re: Winter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 > So, who's riding all year and who's putting their bikes up? Up for what? I may wash it, though... and set the valves... and run a few wires under the tank like I've been meaning to for a while now, but up? Like not ready to ride at the drop of an icicle? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 18:35:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JMZbK25891 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-120.patriot.net [209.249.180.120]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9JMZSF08241; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:35:29 -0400 Message-ID: <39EF76C1.7BB6ED0B@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:33:37 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Brown CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GRRRR. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brake fuild will eat up ABS type plastics but don't have a noticable effect on resin plastics, such as FRP or FRE (fiberglass reenforced polyester/epoxy). Gas will also toast ABS vacformed stuff. Bill Dan Brown wrote: > Just went to pick up the VFR -- found out that I now have 2 peices of > destroyed body work. It /did/ have a brake fluid leak, and I was expecting > to have to do some repainting, but this was destroyed. As in totally > cracked, and then attempted to get glued back together. There's also a > bunch of scratches on the right side mirror, as if it had been dropped, > that I don't recall being there before. I'm working on asking the previous > owner, but he's not online right now. > > I'm really not happy -- and the service manager wasn't there, although, the > mechanic who did the work and admitted to the the attempted repair job on > the body work, was. Bike is still there. > > Anyone have experience on what brake fluid will do to plastic? Will it > cause it to totally crack? I knew it would destroy paint. > > Mike, the service manager, is supposed to be in tomorrow. I'm going to > call and discuss this with him. I think that its unacceptable that they > didn't at least give me a call and say something about this before I went > to pick it up -- much less the fact that it got broken in the first place. > They also didn't do an inspection I'd asked them to do, claiming that the > DMV sent the wrong kind of stickers. > > GRRR. > > Also, any of the VFR riders have a good source for plastic bits? Is a > Black 1992 model, if that means anything. > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 18:37:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JMbKK25901 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-29.s283.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.29] helo=twincam) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13mOJG-0000i6-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:37:14 -0400 Message-ID: <02ed01c03a1c$f4f89140$79e9a4d8@twincam> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: ROBB CAMPAIGN UPDATE Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:35:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Motorcycle Riders Foundation -- E-MAIL ALERT 10/18/00 PO BOX 1808, Washington, DC 20013-1808 202-546-0983 (voice) 202-546-0986 (fax) wyld@XXXXXX (e-mail) http://www.mrf.org (website) If you wish to be removed from this mailing list, reply and put "REMOVE" in subject line. RE: MRF RIDERS' ALERT of Friday, October 6, 2000 GOOD CHARACTER OF AMERICAN BIKERS ATTACKED URGENT MRF RIDERS' ALERT - 18 October 2000 Rider Reputation ROBBery in Retreat In response to the blizzard of letters, phone calls and e-mails by members of the Motorcycle Riders Foundation and our allies nationwide, the Virginia Democratic Party is in retreat. The party's malicious attack on the reputation of American motorcyclists for the sake of Senator Chuck Robb's reelection effort, which began in earnest Friday, October 6, has been altered. The spot is now airing in only one market, in rotation in that market with another spot and being phased out, the Party reported to MRF Member Bill Gawthrop. American motorcyclists, their friends and families responded to MRF's call, made nationwide Friday, October 6, to object to a political broadcast campaign, produced and paid for by the Virginia Democratic Party, that slammed the good reputation of American bikers who, for decades, have ridden American roads on campaigns of our own to raise money for charities of every description. Broadcast into the D.C. homes of our U.S. Senators and Congressmen, the commercial featured a grim narration about guns, crimes and assault weapons against a backdrop of riders, not criminals. At center stage was an American motorcyclist wearing a leather vest with Harley-Davidson logo. The rider simply wanted to shake the hand of George Allen, Republican challenger for Robb's seat in the U. S. Senate, who came to the June 17 Annual Bike Show in Orange, Virginia, just to greet motorcycle enthusiasts and their families. The former Governor of Virginia and the 25,000 riders, families and friends who attended were unaware that a deceitful, surreptitious camera crew, paid by either the Robb Campaign or by the Virginia Democratic Party, intruded into the family event under false pretenses solely to get video of "Allen with bikers," according to a friend of a videographer commissioned to do the work. The first sign of this attack on our reputation came from MRF grassroots. Outraged at the commercial, MRF Member Bill Gawthrop of Maryland sent MRF Washington the signal that our reputation was under assault. As members of ABATE of Maryland and Virginia were activated, MRF Washington sent a RIDERS' ALERT nationwide. Our allies -- the staff and members of the American Motorcycle Association weighed in. So did The Motor Company. As Harley Davidson defended its brand, MRF defended ours: the good character and solid reputation of the American motorcyclist. AMA and dutiful MRF callers learned from the Robb Campaign and the Virginia Democratic Party that the commercial, whichran on the major network affiliates serving D.C., Northern Virginia and Maryland, would be changed by obscuring the Harley-Davidson logo clearly visible on the back of a rider's leather vest, a rider on whom the camera lingers far too long, given the pace of the video track. But the commercial ran -- without the promised change -- for the better part of a week, the damage to our reputation being done in the very homes of Washington's elite by a costly, run-of-station schedule on all 3 major network affiliates plus Fox Television. Meanwhile, for days on end, staffers with the Virginia Democratic Party were telling our callers -- and let me emphasize it -- ALL VIDEO OF BIKERS WOULD BE DELETED. It never was. Until now. Staffers at the Party were also instructed to tell our callers that Senator Robb, according to Sister Kim Pace of MRF and ABATE of Virginia (Olde Dominion Chapter), "was not aware of the ad. Their excuse was, it was a random photo which just so happened to have a biker in it at a gun rally, shaking Allen's hand." And, it just so happened, none of that was true. The video in the commercial was captured not at a gun rally at all, but at the Annual Bike Show in Orange, Virginia, on June 17. Sponsored by one of the East Coast's biggest Harley dealers, Waugh Enterprises, the show is a community gala -- arguably the largest, yearly family event in this rural Virginia county, complete with soft drinks and hot dogs for everyone and moon walks and face-painting for the children. Some 25,000 attended this year's family fest, including myriad local politicians, Congressional Candidate Eric Kantor (R) (Va-7) and George Allen. Waugh Enterprises was called prior to the event by a person representing himself as a producer with CNN who expressed the desire to tape at the festival, as CNN had learned that Senate candidate George Allen would be present, and CNN was doing a story on him. Waugh granted CNN permission to attend and shoot footage. MRF learned also that, among the 25,000 attending the function was a group of riders from ABATE of Maryland. One Maryland ABATE member was puzzled that a friend, a former rider, tagged along toting his video camera. The videographer was cagey about why he was bringing the camera. Waugh made available to festival attendees small stickers with the Waugh Enterprises name and the H-D bar and shield logo. Eyeing them, the cameraman quickly slapped a Waugh/H-D sticker on his camera, followed Allen and ran tape whenever the former governor was amongst male bikers. To the best of everyone's recollection, no story aired on CNN. After the event, the Abate member pressured his camera-toting friend. Why did he shoot the Orange event? After much prodding, the man fessed up. A freelancer, he said he was hired by a company hired by Robb to get footage of "Allen with bikers." Learning this, MRF Washington contacted CNN Legal Counsel in Atlanta. CNN was cooperative and eager to get to the bottom of the controversy. At present, CNN is still trying to determine whether the network or any of its affiliates ever dispatched a crew to Orange, Virginia, on June 17, or authorized any CNN-captured video to be released to a video production firm for political purposes. CNN's investigation is ongoing, and MRF Washington will keep you informed. Don Waugh of Waugh Enterprises responded to the attack ad campaign, mobilized the media and other influential leaders in Orange and appeared on the G. Gordon Liddy Show. News media across the state have cast a critical eye on the Robb escapade at biker's expense. Favorable coverage appeared in the Washington Times and the Orange Review, the newspaper serving Orange, Virginia. As Hank Shaw, a reporter for the Fredericksburg, Virginia, Freelance Star noted October 16: "Robb's campaign said they had nothing to do with the ad and directed inquiries to the Democratic Party of Virginia. A chagrined state Democratic Party Executive Director Craig Bieber said the party has changed the ad, blurring out the Harley logo... "If the Democrats are so sorry about offending Harley riders, they should realize that making the ad generic offends all motorcyclists, a still-angry Motorcycle Riders Foundation official said yesterday. "'The foundation views this ad campaign as blatant fear-mongering that besmirches the good character and image of American bikers by juxtaposition of a grim narration about guns and crime,' foundation Vice President Thomas Wyld said. "'Using video sleight of hand, this commercial, which seeks to woo Virginia women to vote for Senator Robb's re-election, essentially suggests that law-abiding American motorcyclists are somehow undesirable-people to be feared,' he said. "Bieber said the flap is much ado about very little, and anyway, the ad will stop running in a few days when it's no longer fresh. "'We're not going to pull the ad,' he said." Even the press gets the shady side of the truth from this rg-tg outfit, s the Prty indicted tody tht the modified spot is iring in one mrket, in rottion with nother spot nd being "phased out." MRF and ABATE members in Virginia and Maryland were the first troops to roll ashore in this effort, but they were aided by the American Motorcyclist Associationand reinforcements from Motorcyclists' Rights Organizations in every state: "I am offended by any advertisement that stereotypes any type of individual," wrote Syndi Martin of Washington state. "This one just happens to stereotype me. I am a senior project assistant at one of the U.S. Department of Energy's national laboratories, and I am highly respected in my field. I am a single mother who is purchasing her own home in a very respectable neighborhood. I also own and ride my own Harley, and wear black leather during the colder months. I am proud to be called a "biker," a class that includes many famous people throughout history who have contributed much to what America is today - Charles Lindbergh, Malcolm Forbes Sr., George Bernard Shaw, Elvis Presley, Steve McQueen, T.E. Lawrence, Roy Rogers, and Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell." "For decades, law-abiding motorcyclists have been working to reverse thenegative image placed on them by the makers of Hollywood 'B' movies," an outraged Joe Dickey of Pennsylvania wrote to Senator Robb. "Had the maker of this insulting piece done his or her homework, it would have been obvious that motorcycle enthusiasts populate the entire spectrum of the American population. Corporate executives, judges, doctors, lawyers, legislators and the majority of both blue and white collar professions are represented." "As a candidate who purports to have such a strong tie to the ethics and integrity associated with being a former officer of the armed forces, I find your ill-guided and false representation of fact repulsive at best," wrote Richard L. Pait of Culpeper, Virginia, a short ride from Orange. "It just so happens I was at the event your ad footage chose to run and have been a part of that annual event and its many charitable fundraising efforts for the past 5 years. I know the family owners of the dealership and most of the attendees where that event took place. I daresay these people you attempted to portray as some negative aspect of our society have done more for local charities in the state of Virginia than likely you or any of your associates ever have or probably ever will, for that matter. I guess the most important part is, they are taxpayers -- and voters, too!" "I am a member of the New Hampshire House of Representatives," wrote MRF member Robert J. LeTourneau, "and I ride a motorcycle to and from the state capitol on official business on a regular basis. I find your TV ad condescending and insulting towards motorcyclists. I have spent the last 25 years of my life doing all I can to raise the level of understanding of the American motorcyclist. Your type of television advertisement destroys my work. You are a U. S. Senator. People look to you for guidance and leadership. Please do not disappoint them." John Tubbs is a vice president of a company that produces health care products who explained to Senator Robb that his firm numbered among "Inc." Magazine's 500 fastest-growing private companies and won an award from the business periodical in 1997. In fact, wrote Tubbs, "our CEO that year was a guest of the White House in a small business forum and was shown being congratulated by Al Gore who was quoted in one of the related articles as saying, 'You are the backbone of America.' I have an undergraduate degree in chemical engineering and a masters degree in business. I open with this introduction so that the rest of this e-mail will hopefully be read. "I was totally disgusted upon learning of the ad used in your campaign that portrays motorcyclists in a purposely negative vein in an attack adagainst your opponent. This ad is completely irresponsible, because the entire premise behind the ad is false. I ride 30,000 miles per year or more, and I wear black leathers primarily because they make riding much safer - and yes, even a bit because it is a 'look.' "We all looked similar to the bikers in your ad. Except, in addition to myself, this horrible element of society [in a recent charity ride] included: a retired VP from a manufacturing company; an orthopedic surgeon who previously worked at Children's [hospital]; a retired airline maintenance executive; a roofing contractor; and two owners of small companies.... "If you and your campaign people have one modicum of decency and common sense, you'll pull the ad and apologize meaningfully to the many outstanding citizens that have been insulted." Finally, we share with you this poignant letter, hoping it will inspire you to make one more telephone call or e-mail to Senator Chuck Robb (202-224-4024 or senator@XXXXXX) and his campaign office, "Robb for Senate" (703-960-7622 or mail@XXXXXX). Call the campaign offices of "Robb for Senate" at (703) 960-7622 number/email address). I suggest your message be simple: 1. The Party has modified, minimized and is phasing out the offensive ad. 2. Motorcyclists still deserve an apology. 3. We think an apology should be addressed to Senator Robb's former colleague, James Gregory, USMC (Ret.). (Senator Robb has Gregory's letter and address.) Here, we are proud to share the compelling letter composed by MRF member and former Marine James Gregory: "Dear Senator Robb. Remember me? I'm that 19 year old PFC who walked point, chasing Charlie all over I Corps while assigned to I Co, 3/7. Now I'm a retired Gunny who enjoys riding a Harley. I have been proud to tell people that you were the Commanding Officer of I Company once, and now you hurt my pride by portraying me and my friends as some kind of bad guys, mean and ugly. "You know what I mean. Get the crap off the air and tell the good people of Virginia that motorcycle riders are citizens like any other people except some of them are combat veterans who almost died in a far off war keeping their CO alive so he could run for the Governor of Virginia someday. "Semper Fi, James Gregory, USMC (Ret.)" Election Day -- November 7th -- is just days away. If our effort in the Commonwealth of Virginia has taught you anything, it has taught you this: your reputation, like your rights and your safety, can be undermined by one uncaring politician and his or her crass political associates. Your rights, and your reputation, are always on the line. They hang by a thread strengthened only by our diligence, our grassroots muscle and our devotion to one another. The fragile nature of our freedom and safety is why MRFPAC -- the political action committee of the Motorcycle Riders Foundation -- has worked diligently for months in preparing THE MRFPAC RIDERS' MAJORITY -- a list of nearly 300 candidates for the U. S. Senate, the U. S. House of Representatives and the White House you must elect to assure your safety and freedom into the 21st Century. But to get MRFPAC's recommendation, you must take another step. Join. First, join your State Motorcyclists' Rights Organization (SMRO) and make sure your SMRO is a sustaining member of MRF. Second, join the Motorcycle Riders Foundation -- the Washington voice created by SMROs and the very founders of the riders' rights movement in America, the first voice for motorcyclists' rights in Washington and the only voice in the nation's capitol devoted exclusively to you, the street rider. Thank you for listening, for acting and for joining. In sincere appreciation for all you've done, for standing shoulder to shoulder with the Motorcycle Riders Foundation in defense of our rights and our reputation, I remain, Yours for the right to ride, Thomas C. Wyld Vice President for Government Relations Motorcycle Riders Foundation From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 18:40:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9JMeVK25915 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:45:47 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:31:48 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , , Subject: Re: Cold Winter Gear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e9JMeXK25916 They are made by Corbin, they cost something like $ 800.00. They do look nice though. My birthday is next month... C ya George Cole 00 VFR without bags :o( >>> 10/19/00 05:57PM >>> In a message dated 10/19/00 5:42:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > As far as I can tell the bike pictured is a VFR. Has anybody seen hard bags > like that though? Who makes them? I believe those are "Beetle bags", made by Corbin. VFR guys/gals? - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 19:12:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JNCLK26572 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-07.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.199]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24960; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EFAB37.522D07B7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:17:27 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Perry Coleman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: To recap References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And use both the front and rear brakes to stop! %^) Chuck Perry Coleman wrote: > > OK, to recap what I've learned, or decided, today: > > I will only wave at other bikers wearing chrome-plated, lanyard loop > equipped, Beretta 92FS semi-automatic pistols chambered in 9mm, who stop for > yellow lights in Maryland. ;^) > > I feel like I'm forgetting something... -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 19:30:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f270.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9JNUqK26945 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:30:35 -0700 Received: from 209.70.39.9 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:30:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.70.39.9] From: "Perry Coleman" To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: To recap Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:30:35 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2000 23:30:35.0474 (UTC) FILETIME=[94B8B320:01C03A24] That's it! >From: "Charles V. Pena" >To: Perry Coleman >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: To recap >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:17:27 -0700 > >And use both the front and rear brakes to stop! %^) > >Chuck > >Perry Coleman wrote: > > > > OK, to recap what I've learned, or decided, today: > > > > I will only wave at other bikers wearing chrome-plated, lanyard loop > > equipped, Beretta 92FS semi-automatic pistols chambered in 9mm, who stop >for > > yellow lights in Maryland. ;^) > > > > I feel like I'm forgetting something... > >-- >"Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai >visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 20:36:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9K0asK28038 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id r.59.1b551ab (4250); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:36:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <59.1b551ab.2720ed8e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:36:30 EDT Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) To: t_gimer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 Not to fan the flames, but I picked this jewel up on the WERA BBS which I think summarizes what most racers think of the rear brake very apropos: "...I don't have a car just a 275,000 mile H-D for daily transportation, just recently the rear brakes quit working, so what,3 weeks later I still have't fixed them-never used the rear brakes on the track anyway so you also don't need them for the street! haha. I don;t know where I'm goin with this-I better shut up. Good luck , see ya at the track." Ok, I fanned the flames, but what the hell, I think most racers have a bit of a grasp of how to ride a bike, I think that beginners taking the MSF or those who are perplexed with the diametrically opposed views expressed on the list regarding rear brake usage should at least take the racers view into consideration, then decide. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 20:58:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f101.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9K0wfK28351 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:58:33 -0700 Received: from 63.38.153.89 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:58:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.38.153.89] From: "Laura Granato" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: missing bios? Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:58:33 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2000 00:58:33.0608 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEBC0880:01C03A30] If you sent me your bio and it's not on the site, please let me know! I've received so many e-mails, I just want to make sure I didn't forget anyone. :-) Thanks. LAG _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 21:00:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9K10UK28438 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj133739a ([24.15.184.123]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001020010027.CDPD18626.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj133739a>; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:00:27 -0700 Message-ID: <046a01c03a30$aa829660$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> From: "Keith Lamond" To: "Rob Bell" , Cc: References: <2000101909261583-38d074d@watsonwyatt.com> Subject: Re: cycle sport Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:57:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Rob, There are two Cycle Sport shops in VA, one in Springfield and one in Herndon so you also need to ask which one. My dealings with the parts counter in Herndon has been good, however I don't get my bike serviced their because their is a service only shop in Fairfax (Fairfax Cycles) that does good work at a much cheaper price. Have you tried the Motorcycle Accessory outlet in Gaithersburg? Their prices on parts certainly seem good. Keith 84 Nighthawk S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Bell" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 9:28 AM Subject: cycle sport > >From: "Louis F. Caplan" > >When they were taken over by new management, the new managers pointed out that > >the contract was specifically with Dave (forgot his last name, the previous > >owner), and so they didn't have to honor it anymore. The employees at Cycle > >Sport really went to bat for me and the others who still had the service > >contract. > > Hmmm.. up til I read that i was becoming convinced to venture to the far edge of > the earth (i'm in gaithersburg after all). but that trick does not bode well. > How long ago was the changeover and what other types of things have you seen > since? Are the same svc folks still there? What are the sales folks like? > > R > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 21:02:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [63.48.69.221]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9K12cK28471 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:bergman@biber [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id e9K12PT26925 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:02:31 -0700 Message-Id: <200010200102.e9K12PT26925@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: bergman@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold Winter Gear In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:13:58 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:02:25 -0700 In your message dated: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:13:58 PDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => so for those who own vests, how often do the likes of filament type vest break? eg. Widder/Gerb => ing? I've owned 2 Widder (or was it Eclipse) vests and one Gerbing jacket liner (far superior). The are often crumpled and shoved into tiny spaces inside the saddlebags, or folded away for months at a time. I had one vest "go bad" and I suspect it was one of the internal wires. Eclipse (or was it Widder) offered a pro-rated repair because it was a couple of years old. I bought the Gerbing instead. All told, I've had one vest since 1993, one vest lasted ~3 years, and I've had the Gerbing since ~1996. Mark For the record, all the above statements are: My Opinion Only Worth What You've Paid Not Valid in Nebraska or Calgary The sole property of Mark Bergman (they could be yours, make me an offer) Subject to Recall or Change without Notice To be taken with a grain of salt NAFTA and Y2K compliant See also: http://www.they.com/disclaimer/ ### ### ##### ##### ####### ####### ##### ##### ### ### # # #### #### ######## ######## ############# ############# #################################### ############################# ##################### ########### From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 21:17:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9K1HvK28726 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 10377 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2000 18:09:53 -0700 Received: from 1Cust89.tnt32.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.38.153.89) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 19 Oct 2000 18:09:53 -0700 X-Sent: 20 Oct 2000 01:09:53 GMT Message-ID: <010201c03a32$9c64c740$5999263f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , Cc: References: <59.1b551ab.2720ed8e@aol.com> Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:10:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I think most racers have a bit of > a grasp of how to ride a bike, I think that beginners taking the MSF or those > who are perplexed with the diametrically opposed views expressed on the list > regarding rear brake usage should at least take the racers view into > consideration, then decide. > Being a beginner rider, I was slightly confused after I got out of the MSF class and then really started riding. I thought we were supposed to use both brakes. Now that I think back, they stressed using *both* brakes only when you need to make a sudden stop, but you should still apply most of the pressure on the front brakes because that is what has the stopping power. In that situation, the rear keeps the ass of your bike from coming out. Trust me...in my experience learning on the street, I've learned to keep my right foot tucked under the rear brake as not to be tempted to use it...I agree with Fred....that's my story and I'm stickin' to it. LAG From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 21:20:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from swillers.com (cbr.swillers.com [204.71.238.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9K1JsK28741 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swillers.com (ducati.swillers.com [204.71.238.66]) by swillers.com (8.10.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9K1JJu03196; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:19:20 -0400 Message-ID: <39EFCA6D.9D812510@swillers.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:30:37 -0700 From: David Carlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold Winter Gear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yea, Beetle Bags by Corbin. http://www.corbin.com/honda/vfr800bag.html I ordered mine when I bought my bike. It took about 10 weeks to get them. I have not had a chance to take them on a trip yet. They run about $850 retail. Installed pretty easy. Few brackets that are pretty inconspicuous when the bags are off. Each bag is held on by 3 bolts (SAE not metric ????). They come off in about 10 minutes and go on in about 30. If I had it all to do again, I would probably go with a tank bag and a rear seat bag instead. Cheaper and more flexible. When trying to cram my laptop into the Beetle Bags, I quickly realized that hard bags (especially ones that are not cube shaped) don't allow much packing flexibility. --Dave '00 VFR > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:57:43 EDT > Subject: Re: Cold Winter Gear > To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > In a message dated 10/19/00 5:42:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > > > > As far as I can tell the bike pictured is a VFR. Has anybody seen hard bags > > like that though? Who makes them? > > I believe those are "Beetle bags", made by Corbin. > > VFR guys/gals? > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 21:53:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9K1rSK29295 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9K1rN403546 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:53:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) In-Reply-To: <010201c03a32$9c64c740$5999263f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Laura Granato wrote: > Trust me...in my experience learning on the street, I've learned to > keep my right foot tucked under the rear brake as not to be tempted to > use it... Doesn't that tear up your boot when cornering? The ball of your foot on the peg is a better idea. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 21:58:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9K1vxK29380 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001020015754.BBGY1439.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@XXXXXX>; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:57:54 -0700 Message-ID: <39EFA650.8BD13FB7@home.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:56:32 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pattonme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold Winter Gear References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Patton wrote: > > so for those who own vests, how often do the likes of filament type vest break? eg. Widder/Gerbing? My only experience has been with Gerbing. My ultimate jacket liner (bought used, not sure how old it is, at least 3 years) had a plug for a glove on the right sleeve stop working. The rest of the jacket still heated fine. Gerbing has a lifetime warranty on the electrics, so I just shipped it back to the factory (3 weeks ago now) for a free repair. I'm hoping to get it back soon. Good thing I've got another Gerbing heated liner to use in the meantime. :) That's the only problem I've encountered so far. Guess it's getting to be the start of the busy season for Gerbing. Other than waiting to get my stuff back, I've got no complaints. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 22:06:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9K26VK29544 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 8.74.40958fd (7879); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:06:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <74.40958fd.2721029a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:06:18 EDT Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) To: bergman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 In a message dated 10/19/00 9:00:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bergman@XXXXXX writes: << Urging "beginners" to "take the racer[']s view" into consideration is fine--in an academic sense. If beginners attempt to do that which "experts" are good at, then there will be more problems. >> Hey, your problem. Eventually you'll learn. Takes time. Point is, beginners are risking crashes using the rear brake instinctively. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 22:16:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3202.mail.yahoo.com (web3202.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9K2GYK29727 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001020021624.21114.qmail@web3202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.232.168.11] by web3202.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:16:24 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:16:24 -0700 (PDT) From: JEM Racing Subject: Leathers, Helmet and Boots for Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello to those who know me, and I guess to those who don't as well - Some may have heard about my illustrious return from retirement for a one race exibition at Summit Point last weekend. On the second lap I ran wide in 9 breaking in new rubber and hit some kind of pavement deal on the outside, promptly bending both rims on Brad Faas' SV ( my onld bike, the one in the photos). That lap is costing me to the tune of $700 to buy him new wheels, so alas I must sell the racing gear I bought just this spring. I ordered a custom sized, custom logo'd SYED suit for $1350. It has been down twice, both times in the rain with only minor scuffing. There is a stylish skid mark on the ass a la Pete Freidman's front tire in mid corner, but its cosmetic and would probably clean off. (never tried) Anyway I think a suit of this quality is a deal at $600. The helmet is an Arai Quantum Raptor (white/orange/red) size L. Down in both same wrecks, only touched pavement once on the plastic shield that covers the face shield cover (easily replaceable, but not very noticable and oh so chic). Very minor. A steal at $200. Finally, my size 9.5 Sidi Vertebra Chromo, $100. All the gear is top notch quality in great shape. Whoever buys the whole package gets a pair of matching Teknic gloves thrown in for free (carbon fiber knuckle) Random photos can be seen at http://members2.clubphoto.com/jem217423/First_Album/ Racing is even expensive months after you quit :( ===== Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS #502 Sponsored By: http://www.centurypool.com http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.elfmoto.com http://www.loudounmotorsports.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 23:08:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e9K38QK00655 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001020030818.4866.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.83.140] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:08:18 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:08:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) To: Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thanks for sharing this, fred. you can ask any of the mofos i ride with how often any of us use the brakes at all, let alone the rear brake! i've got 10k miles on the duc since late may, and the rear pads haven't even set on the disc. of course my v-twin has loads of engine braking to begin with....but i've always ridden my other sportbikes (inline 4s) the same way too. yes, the rear brake can be helpful in certain situations (especially during slow manuevering), but it ain't a necessity. it sure is nice to have somebody publicly agree with me every once in a while! --- Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > Not to fan the flames, but I picked this jewel up on the > WERA BBS which I think summarizes what most racers think > of the rear brake very apropos: > > "...I don't have a car just a 275,000 mile H-D for daily > transportation, just recently rear brakes quit working, > so what,3 weeks later I still have't fixed them-never > used the rear brakes on the track anyway so you also > don't need them for the street! > haha. I don;t know where I'm goin with this-I better shut > up. Good luck , see ya at the track." > > Ok, I fanned the flames, but what the hell, I think most > racers have a bit of a grasp of how to ride a bike, I > think that beginners taking the MSF or those who are > perplexed with the diametrically opposed views > expressed on the list regarding rear brake usage should > at least take the racers view into consideration, then > decide. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Oct 19 23:25:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9K3PLK00930 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16358 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:25:13 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001019232405.00c67e50@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:25:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: The last 10 messages archive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I know someone has a page with the last 10 posts to dc-cycles. I lost the link and the email when this question was asked a couple of weeks ago. Could that person contact me off list? Thanks. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 00:13:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9K4DRK01695 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA00128 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web4401.mail.yahoo.com (web4401.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA03891 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20001020041317.23946.qmail@web4401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.81.51] by web4401.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:13:17 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:13:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "John C. Kozyn" Subject: Re: Pedestrian woes To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Richard L. Casale" "Commuting into the City from VA and riding around the city on some days has shown me that you have to be a little crazy in order to make some of the light. People will actually walk right in front of you--and look in your eyes--while your approaching, almost defying you to hit them. There have been many days when I've daydreamed of that very thing." ====== I was taken aback a bit by this post. I think you should always assume people will do stupid things that endanger you, whether they're walking or driving. You seem to expect people to behave rationally. I do not. Get a horn, a real horn (2 in fact) and put them on your bike with a relay. Then use it. Frequently. Not to voice your anger or annoyance (like most idiots do) but to warn people that you're coming. I do this all the time,... with my high beams on. I can't even imagine myself experiencing what you did and I ride to and in DC every weekday. JK 95 VFR (w/ Dodge Ram + OEM horns) D-mode __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 01:18:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9K5IMK02686 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-115.s369.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.115]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13mUZP-0002NP-00 ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:18:19 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Kurt B. Kightly" Cc: Subject: Re: Heysers!!! Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:26:06 -0700 Message-ID: References: <001e01c039ee$678234c0$6638f4cd@cc.grci.com> In-Reply-To: <001e01c039ee$678234c0$6638f4cd@cc.grci.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e9K5IiK02687 heyser screwed me too. What was supposed to be a $120 bill, ended up being a $320 bill. Service Dept are lying theiving bad attitude crooks. I will NEVER take my bike there.. even if I crash in their parking lot! Danny heyser victim june 99 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 01:20:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9K5KCK02765 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-115.s369.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.115]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13mUbD-0002ZH-00 ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:20:11 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Boiade@XXXXXX Cc: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:27:58 -0700 Message-ID: References: <59.1b551ab.2720ed8e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <59.1b551ab.2720ed8e@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e9K5KEK02766 I think keith code also says the rear brakes are bad to use on the street. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 01:26:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9K5QsK02778 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-115.s369.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.115]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13mUhg-0003Ll-00 ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:26:52 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Christopher Weaver" Cc: Subject: Re: multiple questions - frame sliders - headlight prism - tail light kit Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:34:39 -0700 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e9K5QuK02779 |>signal/taillight thing. It's a bad idea IMO, but it's up to you. I agree.. he is adding 'marker/running lights' on the rear fender as turns signals too.. so that helps slightly.. stil a bad idea. I'd rather mount flushmounts with the clear body all around. From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 04:40:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9K8eOK06662 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KGruell@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.35.ba73cee (4226) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:40:13 -0400 (EDT) From: KGruell@XXXXXX Message-ID: <35.ba73cee.27215eec@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:40:12 EDT Subject: VFR Noise To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 114 I've got a question for my fellow VFR owners. I have a 99 VFR FI and it sounds like two chipmunks are going at it in my gauge cluster. I thought it might be the speedo cable, but it happens all the time, when I'm at a stop and rolling. It's an intermittent noise (comes and goes), but happens all the time. Does anyone have any idea what it could be before I start tearing things apart?? Thanks. Kurt 99 VFR FI From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 06:10:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9KAAQK08015 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9KAANj11731281 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39F01A00.AABA957@radix.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:10:08 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stress Relief References: <20001019193754.6063.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > > Close, but that's Schlock. c'mon... close enough ... ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 06:12:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9KACGK08089 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9KACEj11702106 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39F01A6F.A828FA2B@radix.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:11:59 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: To recap References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perry Coleman wrote: > > OK, to recap what I've learned, or decided, today: > > I will only wave at other bikers wearing chrome-plated, lanyard loop > equipped, Beretta 92FS semi-automatic pistols chambered in 9mm, who stop for > yellow lights in Maryland. ;^) > > I feel like I'm forgetting something... SUV's were great. LAG made a special point of reminding us. That's ok though, Perry, that was the extra credit answer :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 06:14:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9KAEiK08099 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id r.c5.a3e385b (4191); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:14:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:14:30 EDT Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) To: t_gimer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 In a message dated 10/19/00 11:08:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: << it sure is nice to have somebody publicly agree with me every once in a while! >> hahaha, I don't think we've ever disagreed on this list. ( I may have kept silent because I am a coward) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 06:20:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mail.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9KAKUK08252 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id 2.b7.7c602ca (3314) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:20:18 -0400 (EDT) From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:20:18 EDT Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Okay, I've been lurking on this subject, but I think it's time for you guys to hear a woman's point of view. I too was a beginner, about 6 years ago. I too used to use the rear brake. That didn't last long. I no longer use the rear brake for ANYTHING. It just doesn't serve a purpose other than to give a dealer another reason to raise the price. It's really not a useful piece of equipment. Sure, you could argue that you should use the rear brake in emergency situations.....but I disagree with that also. Having been in numerous different types of situations both as a rider, and now as a racer, I can't say that the rear brake has ever made an impact in any of them. The only thing it HAS done is cause the rear end to slide. I can do that with the front brake. If you ride prepared for things to happen, i.e defensively, then you should not have to instinctively move for the rear brake. Even in situations where I've had to grab a handful of front brake (and believe you me, I have) I never thought "gee, I wonder if I could have avoided that if I had used the rear brake". Your right foot would be better served as a leveraging tool (meaning, using it to put down to keep yourself from falling over) than it would be using it for the rear brake. Just my 2 cents worth. Jess WERA Novice/CCS Amateur #435 From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 06:56:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9KAukK08700 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9KAuh417163 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:56:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX wrote: > I no longer use the rear brake for ANYTHING. It just doesn't serve a > purpose other than to give a dealer another reason to raise the price. > It's really not a useful piece of equipment. What do you do if your front brake fails (e.g., someone played with my bike while it was parked on the street downtown, dumped it, and broke the front brake lever)? Seems like it's a useful piece of equipment if only as a backup in case of front brake failure. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 07:05:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mail.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9KB5wK08938 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id k.93.20d12f2 (4191); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:05:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <93.20d12f2.27218102@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:05:38 EDT Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) To: kirk@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 In a message dated 10/20/00 7:00:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: << Seems like it's a useful piece of equipment if only as a backup in case of front brake failure. >> There you go, think of the bike's rear brake as an automotive emergency brake and use about as often. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Oct 20 07:54:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9KBsBK09620 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id k.e3.b405840 (15857); Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web28.aolmail.aol.com (web28.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.4]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.20) with ESMTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:53:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:53:26 EDT From: HondaF4Lover@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF (was RE: BOTH brakes ) To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: In a message dated Fri, 20 Oct 2000 7:00:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Kirk Roy writes: <> Come on Kirk, give me a friggin break (
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