From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 09:04:01 2000 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:03:47 EDT Subject: Re: MC racing on the networks? To: rdrdr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/30/00 6:21:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdrdr@XXXXXX writes: > Anyone know what/if/when? Superbike Classic - no description given CBS - 4:30 to 5:30 pm right after the Ravens/Browns football game. Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 11:08:17 2000 From: "Chris Weaver" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: DC-Cycles Website Information Needed Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:07:55 -0400 Hello all, I've completed the graphics and layout of the new DC-Cycles website and I'm starting to populate the site with all of the information that we, as a group, want there. To that end, if you all have a moment, it would help me out to send me content based on the following categories: Links: Major link categories will be "Member Sites", "Local Shops & Dealers", "On-Line Dealers", "Other DC Moto Groups", etc. If you have links that you think belong on our site, please send them to me and I'll put them there. DC-Cycles Racers Info: For all you racers on the list, please send photos, bios, sponsor list & links, and anything else you think would be good on the site. I'll probably be organizing it similarly to Collin's outdated site at http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/index.html. List Member Info: If you would like information about yourself (link to your website, email address, type of bike you ride, etc) to appear on the site, please send this along. This sort of thing will help with the "paging Joe Smith" and "Whatever happened to Jane Doe?" messages that appear frequently on the list. Ride Sheets: I already have a number of ride sheets and there are a few out on the web, but if you have one that you think might get overlooked, please send it along. Calendar Items: If you know of an event or gathering coming up during October or November, please send it along. Links for these activities are welcome also. Thanks for any help you all can provide. I will be posting our site to a temporary spot soon so everyone can take a look at what it wil look like and watch as it evolves. We are continuing to work on getting a permanent home for the site, and when it's complete we will move there. Regards, Chris Weaver future DC-Cycles webmaster From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 12:07:43 2000 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 12:07:23 EDT From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC racing on the networks? To: Cc: PACE/Formula USA is on CBS at 4:30pm (Woo Hoo!) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 16:02:45 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:02:24 EDT Subject: Re: Lean impaired no more (a little long) To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 9/30/2000 7:59:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MJordan666@XXXXXX writes: << > Day 1: The ride up. I left from DC at about 9am heading for Watkins Glen, > NY. (371.2 miles) Sounds like a good experience. It would be a great excuse to go to Watkins Glen again. While you were up there, did you get a chance to ride the old (1948 - 1953) GP course? It was on public roads, and is marked. I did about 10 laps of it last June and it was a very interesting ride. The lady at the motel I stayed at (Watkins Glen Motor Inn) mentioned that the whole course was paved now. The original track had sections of Macadam, dirt, oiled dirt, and concrete - all taken at GP speeds - yee-hah! With 1950's suspension and brakes =:O Michael J. >> It was great fun. Although, next time, NO RAIN!!!!! ;-) Nope, didn't get to ride the old course. Too tired. I felt like I was gonna pass out halfway through the hiking trail I went on. I can only imagine what would have happened riding the old course. =8-0 Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 17:23:41 2000 From: "Keith Lamond" To: Subject: The tire plug held! I made it home! Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:23:12 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C02BCC.46C4CFC0 For any of you on the ride to the Italian bike festival wondering if the = plug in my flat tire held, it did, and I made it home safely. Thanks everyone on the ride for stopping and helping me out with the = flat tire. Also thank you to whoever flagged down the farmer in the = pickup truck. I don't know how I would have gotten that tire inflated = without his electric air pump. Everyone's help and concern was greatly = appreciated. And extra special thanks to Bill Swanson. First for having the tire = plug kit and second for going out of his way to follow me home, to make = sure I made it all the way on the tire. Reston is a bit away from DC. I'm looking forward to the next group ride. This was my first, and even = with getting the flat tire, I had fun. Damn! and I bought that tire less than two weeks ago. That comes to = about $10 dollars a day of use for the rear tire. Oh' well :-} Keith 84 Nighthawk S ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C02BCC.46C4CFC0
For any of you on the ride to the = Italian bike=20 festival wondering if the plug in my flat tire held, it did, and I made = it home=20 safely.
 
Thanks everyone on the ride for = stopping and=20 helping me out with the flat tire.  Also thank you to whoever = flagged down=20 the farmer in the pickup truck.  I don't know how I would have = gotten that=20 tire inflated without his electric air pump.  Everyone's help and = concern=20 was greatly appreciated.
 
And extra special thanks to Bill = Swanson. =20 First for having the tire plug kit and second for going out of his way = to follow=20 me home, to make sure I made it all the way on the tire.  Reston is = a bit=20 away from DC.
 
I'm looking forward to the next group = ride. =20 This was my first, and even with getting the flat tire, I had = fun.
 
Damn! and I bought that tire less than = two weeks=20 ago.  That comes to about $10 dollars a day of use for the rear = tire. =20 Oh' well :-}
 
Keith
84 Nighthawk = S
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C02BCC.46C4CFC0-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 18:22:25 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:20:53 EDT Subject: Hi 8 Adapter To: exupbrotherhood@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Does anyone know if they make a Hi 8 adapter so that I can watch my Cam Bike video (bike related content ;-) ) in my VCR? The guys at Keith's school said that they did but, I can't find one. Anyone have a Hi 8 player that can dub it onto a regular VHS tape for me? A little help please. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 18:28:09 2000 From: "Rob Keiser" To: keithl1349@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The tire plug held! I made it home! Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 18:27:59 EDT Glad to hear it held up ok and you made it home safe. I was two bikes behind you and couldn't tell what was wrong. When you pulled over I flew up ahead to catch Jay, George and Rich at the stop to let them know. We waited for a minute or two until Mike (?) GSXR750 came up. After that we all turned around to head back and I was the last one around. The guy in the pick up was at the stop and something just made me ask him where the closest gas station was. He said it was just down the way near 340 and then he offered to turn around and let us put the bike in the bed if we needed. The air pump he had was the bonus! How about that for being prepared?! Sometimes things just work out well, (aside from the flat, that is.) The festival was fun. The food was good. The bees were a pain, but the roads there and back were a blast! Great leading Jay and George!! Good weather, good food, nice bikes, fun people and great roads. It doesn't get much better! Rob '98 VFR800 >From: "Keith Lamond" >To: >Subject: The tire plug held! I made it home! >Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:23:12 -0400 > >For any of you on the ride to the Italian bike festival wondering if the >plug in my flat tire held, it did, and I made it home safely. > >Thanks everyone on the ride for stopping and helping me out with the flat >tire. Also thank you to whoever flagged down the farmer in the pickup >truck. I don't know how I would have gotten that tire inflated without his >electric air pump. Everyone's help and concern was greatly appreciated. > >And extra special thanks to Bill Swanson. First for having the tire plug >kit and second for going out of his way to follow me home, to make sure I >made it all the way on the tire. Reston is a bit away from DC. > >I'm looking forward to the next group ride. This was my first, and even >with getting the flat tire, I had fun. > >Damn! and I bought that tire less than two weeks ago. That comes to about >$10 dollars a day of use for the rear tire. Oh' well :-} > >Keith >84 Nighthawk S _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 19:41:28 2000 From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Fried Wiring Harness, Trip Interrupted, Happy Ending (longish) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:41:37 -0400 This message might be of particular interest to the Triumph owners in the Metro-Washington, DC area. I am especially trying to reach those of you who have good reason to avoid the maintenance shops of the dealerships that sound something like "Cycle Splat Unlimited" and "Clinkin' Cycles". Otherwise, if you are happy with these people, read no further. At the initial maintenance milestone, I returned to my dealer ("Cycle Splat") for the service. Not only did it take them three days to accomplish the service in a slow period (late November) but there was so much lash in the driveline after I picked her up that I had to go straight home and check it out. The chain was adjusted so tight that all the slack was taken up by modest suspension compression. This is a bush league mistake. I never take a bike back to doodyheads who pull boners like that. Consequently, I started fishing around for another dealer/shop that I could trust. Scarce commodity these days. A few months ago I was in casual contact with Jerry Parrish at ToA and the very subject of trust came up. He suggested that I might want to try either Winchester Motosport (nee Winchester Indian) or Howell's Fine Motorcycles (formerly Howell's H-D) in New Kingstown, PA. Some listers will recall that Howell's have been given rave reviews by their patrons. However, the distance was more than I wanted to fool with, so Winchester got the nod. Three weeks before I needed the 6K service, I called Winchester and made an appointment to wait for the bike while it was serviced. Also ordered tires. Initially I tried to order some BT010s, but the service manager, Marcus -- who is also a racer, suggested I try the Dunlop 207 GPs. On his recommendation, I ordered the tires. No one even asked me for a credit card number, they thanked me for choosing them, and even called me Mr. Smith. Needless to say, I never get that kind of treatment around this area from an authorized Triumph dealer. The appointed day for my service was September 20. It started as a perfect day to make the trip to Clear Brook, Virginia and Winchester(?) Motosports. Once I made it outside the Beltway and past Leesburg, I was tearing along Route 7 at 85 or 90 MPH and the Daytona was loafing at around 5K. Cool air, sunshine, blue skies, light traffic, and occasional bursts up to... Well, let's not discuss that. Anyway, at about 9:45 AM, when I came over the mountain and passed Berryville -- the vengeful spirit of Lucas struck. Pulled in the clutch and rolled onto the shoulder. Nothing. No lights, no spark, no starter. Only the dash lights. Called Winchester Motosports and they sent a truck (a nice enclosed step van, actually) to collect us. I am officially another victim of the poorly designed ground strap on the T5 wiring harness. Apparently the thing comes loose, starts arcing, and slowly burns itself up. The service technician showed me the damage and discussed ways of bodging a fix if I was desperate to ride home that day. Blessedly, my fatalistic nature took over and relinquished to the inevitability of getting the proper replacement part. Fortunately, as I had been previously informed on the T5Tech list, I was aware this is a well-known warranty item with ToA. Unfortunately, I had to leave my baby in The Sticks. Crap. Thursday I called Jerry at ToA to ask about the part number for the new, improved wiring harness. When he learned I left the bike at Winchester, he suggested I call the shop and see what was going on because they are in constant contact with the head office. A dealer that stays in constant contact with ToA? This was new. I called Winchester and sure enough they had called Triumph, confirmed the warranty nature of the problem, and the part was not only available but it would be shipped out overnight express. Of course, it had to get in the queue leaving the warehouse first. The part arrived in Winchester on Saturday. Having more sense than to tempt fate, I told them to take their time as I wouldn't be able to get back out there until the next weekend, Saturday the 30th. This was less painful than it sounds because the weather forecast for Monday through Wednesday was heavy rain. Okey dokey. I received calls from Winchester on the following Tuesday and Thursday. They wanted to let me know how work was progressing, asked if there was any additional work I needed or wanted, and assured me that the lovely Boudicca would be ready for delivery on Saturday. Always on the watch for the effects of Murphy's Law, I called them late Friday to insure all would be ready the next day. It would. I was pumped. Showed up just as they were swinging the front doors open for the day. Greeted everyone, paid my bill, shot the breeze with the owner and his lovely wife for a while (that would be Carl and Dana Lucci, two of the nicest folks you would want to meet), got some fuel, and hit the road. Two hours later I was home, in the garage, cleaning her up and telling her what a naughty girl she had been for causing me so much inconvenience. All is well. In fact, all is better than it has been for quite some time because I have come to believe I was living with the grounding problem longer than I originally thought. I hope those who are more familiar with this character flaw of our beloved steeds will excuse me for repeating that which may be well-known. Personally, I was unable to find a compendium of the symptoms of this malfunction, and I doubt I'm alone. I'm going to give a brief list of the symptoms as they are known to me, by their obvious absence. I probably should have been more vigilant. Whatever. Symptom 1: Temperature gauge had occasional wild swings into the red while the bike was idling and stopping frequently in traffic on hot days. I always wear earplugs, so I'm not aware of whether the fan was coming on or not. If not, it might have been an early sign of grounding problems. In any event, the temperature gauge now stays well below the red and the fan seems to be actuating correctly. Symptom 2: Spontaneous dying when coming hard off the throttle. This actually happened once when the bike was very new. The second occurrence was several weeks ago. The third happened on the way to Winchester, about twenty miles before the final catastrophic failure. In all cases, the cure was to turn the key off, then on, and then restart. That's it, folks. I wish there was something less sinister and more obvious, but from my experience there isn't. If you have any doubts about it at all, pull the tank yourself or have a service technician do it, and check the condition of the harness at the ground strap (more of a plug, really). If there is a problem, it will be apparent upon inspection. Mine looked as if it had been placed over an open flame. Melting, charring, warping -- the works. Conclusion: I can whole-heartedly recommend the service at Winchester Motosports. I will definitely be going back. Besides the usual service, for which there is almost no means of verification, every blessed thing on the bike was adjusted properly. She felt taught and competent, just like new. That mad, arm-stretching feeling was back, too. I believe I got a little more than new plugs. Even the slight mushiness in the front brakes was gone completely. And let me tell you about the Dunlop 207 GPs. I have never been as pleased with a new set of tires as I have with these. Tonight, I actually did my first stoppie! Albeit inadvertently. The grip is absolutely first rate. Leaning into a turn, the feeling is solid and predictable and begs for more. By comparison, the OEM Bridgestone BT56s are greasy and squirrelly. Never going back to those. Winchester Motosports is located in Clear Brook, Virginia. The directions on their website are spot on. Visit http://www.winchesterindian.com/, or call (540) 722-2688. Besides Triumph, they also sell/service Ducati, Moto Guzzi, Victory, and John Deere. Okay, maybe not John Deere, but the service shop has enough Zen for anything I could want. I mean the kind of Zen Pirsig wrote about. I actually saw a vintage Indian and a Bimota Mantra being worked on. These guys are the business and deserve yours. You won't be disappointed. Thanks for the bandwidth, and I hope this helps some of my brothers and sisters who are seeking competent, professional support. The Zen is incidental. Crash (Not on these tires! Whee-Hah!) AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Sun Oct 1 19:55:37 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: "Smith, Steven" , Subject: Re: Fried Wiring Harness, Trip Interrupted, Happy Ending (longish) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:55:53 -0400 Two hours later I was home, in the garage, > cleaning her up and telling her what a naughty girl she had been for causing > me so much inconvenience Damn women, always causing problems. lmao. Glad to hear all turned out well. ;-) LAG From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 07:49:56 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 06:44:07 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: "<" Subject: Italian Motorcycle festival photos Good Morning everyone, I have posted some images from yesterdays MC festival in Shepherdstown. Here is a link. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=986620&a=9149695 It turned out to be a great day, A little chilly and foggy on the ride up. The last section on WVA 230 got my heart pumping a little. A hot plate of pasta at the show was right on time. Even though this was a Italian bike show the Honda CBX that John rode up attracted a lot of attention. There were some really nice Ducati's, Guzzi's, Aprillia's and other bikes on display here. I didn't get a chance to see a MV Agusta or a Bennelli, did any show later? The ride back was fun except for the gravel parking lot that grabbed the front wheel of a young ladies (sorry I forgot your name) SV650 and dumped it over, and a flat tire on Keith's Nighthawk. Thanks to Bill Swanson and a handy plug kit, and a friendly local, the tire was plugged and ready in about 10 minutes. The road out of Sharpsburg (65?) a right at the Amoco station on 34 is a great route. Cheers, George Cole 00 VFR ( yellow the faster color) George M Cole Senior Account Manager Boise Technology www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 410 796-0714 CUSTOMER SERVICE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM 1-800-525-9500 FAX 1-800-952-9084 Boise. It couldn't be easier. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 09:27:51 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Italian Motorcycle festival photos To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- George Cole wrote: > Good Morning everyone, > > I have posted some images from yesterdays MC festival in > Shepherdstown. Here is a link. > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=986620&a=9149695 > > > It turned out to be a great day, A little chilly and > foggy on the ride up. The last section on WVA 230 got my > heart pumping a little. A hot plate of pasta at the show > was right on time. Even though this was a Italian bike > show the Honda CBX that John rode up attracted a lot of > attention. There were some really nice Ducati's, Guzzi's, > Aprillia's and other bikes on display here. I didn't get > a chance to see a MV Agusta or a Bennelli, did any show > later? i have to say that i was rather unimpressed with the italian motorcycle "festival." it was neat to see a bunch of italian bikes all in one place, but that's about it. of course it is not easy to organize a get-together like this, and it sounded as if this was the event's first year, but the group i met there all echoed the same criticisms: -a $10 admission charge gave you the right to: 1. pay for lunch, of which there was one choice; and 2. win a t-shirt -there were NO vendors peddling goods (okay, one selling t-shirts....that don't count) -the bike show was limited (not that the bikes weren't interesting....it's just that there weren't many) i hope that next year more planning will go into this event. for instance, if the guys from motoeuropa are going to bother to drive up from richmond, how about asking them to set up a booth of accessories? i bet colleen of the motorcycle leather exchange would have made a killing up there if she'd been invited. [who knows, maybe she was.] everybody likes to see the latest helmets or tires, etc. anyway, this is just some constructive criticism.....the trip up was enjoyable and i'll probably do it again next year to see if things get bigger and/or better. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 09:36:08 2000 From: "Swifty" To: "George Cole" , "<" Subject: Re: Italian Motorcycle festival photos Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:39:06 -0400 George, GREAT PICTURES !!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry I had to leave before the group yesterday but I had a *deadline* to meet. It was a fun ride!! Thanks John Swift 79 CBX 94 SB6 94 ZX 11 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 09:58:27 2000 From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Fried Wiring Harness, Trip Interrupted, Happy Ending (longish ) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:58:40 -0400 Hi, Laura! Your sense of humor is appreciated. Sometimes I do get upbraided by sensitive types for giving my machine a feminine personality. Glad you're not one of them. By the way, I call her Boudicca because that's the name she snarled at me when we met first. She also told me she was my mistress, the reincarnation of a Celtic warrior-queen, and never to tell anyone she can speak. Excuse me, I've been wicked. I must go to the garage now and receive my spanking. Crash (I'm not concerned about the voices in my head, and neither am I.) AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" > -----Original Message-----From: Laura Granato----- > > > Two hours later I was home, in the garage, cleaning her up > > and telling her what a naughty girl she had been for causing > > me so much inconvenience > > Damn women, always causing problems. lmao. > > Glad to hear all turned out well. ;-) > > LAG > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 10:16:37 2000 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 10:16:13 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: Lean impaired no more (a little long) To: "'ScooterFZR@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm interested in looking into this school, could you forward any contact iinfo you've got? (especially a URL...) Thanks, -Calvin > -----Original Message----- > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:58 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Lean impaired no more (a little long) > > > Well guys and gals, all I have to say about Keith Code's class is > "Oh...my...GOD!!!! That was such a BLAST!!" > > Yes, you guessed it, I just got back from two days of riding > around a track > and having people correct my mistakes. I got a LOT out of it > and had fun > while doing it. > > Day 1: The ride up. I left from DC at about 9am heading for > Watkins Glen, > NY. (371.2 miles) Yes, I RODE. Started out the first 150 > miles in rain. I > HATE rain!!! Temperature was about 60 and I was a little > cold when I got > there at 6pm. Checked in, took HOT shower and went to hotel > restaurant to > eat. Guess who's there? Yep, Keith, his wife Judy and all of the > instructors. They were staying at the same hotel I was. > Cool!! Introduced > myself and bs'd with'em for a few minutes until their food > arrived. I told > them that I was one of their future students and that I was > "lean impaired > and nervous". They loved the new term I gave them. They > were using "lean > challenged" but said "lean impaired" sounded better. Went to bed. > > Day 2: Got up EARLY and headed to the track. Ate breakfast, > got briefed, > intros, blah, blah. You know, the usual hospitality stuff. > ;-) Then, got > suited up for fun. ;-) Had two groups, five class sessions > and five track > sessions to go along with them. Also got a couple extra > riding sessions at > the end of the day. Still don't know how long the track is > at Watkins Glen > but, it was a nice track. First session was just a warm up > to get used to > the track. Had one rider go down and break his arm in the > second group > during this session. Boy was HE pi$$ed!! Did the "Steering > Drill" somewhere > in between these two. Second was a "turn where the big X's > are" session. > Got everyone used to a good line through the corners. Third > session was > basically "turn-in faster". Rode the camera bike here. Got > a pretty good > critique of what I needed to improve on. That's about all I > remember from > day 1, I was having too much fun. Fastest lap: 2:12. Not > TOO bad for a > lean-impaired, nervous slow-poke. No other accidents to > report. All-in-all, > a good day of riding. Left the track and did a little > sight-seeing of > Watkins Glen. They've got a GREAT state park and hiking > trail there. Too > bad I was too tired to go more than a half mile of it. Went > back to the > hotel, took a hot shower and watched the encore presentation > of "Who Wants To > Be A Millionaire" Celebrity matches. Then crashed for the night. > > Day 3: Got to sleep a half hour later. Joy. :-) A little > bit colder this > morning and it rained overnight. Got to the track, briefed > and suited up. > Then I met a fellow DC Cycles lister, Tony. Sorry, didn't > catch your last > name. He and his cousin rode part way up on Monday and then > trailered their > bikes the rest of the way on Tuesday. He said that he > thought he recognized > from the NY bus trip but was unsure. My group went out first > this morning. > Bigger joy. They actually got the track pretty dried off by > the time we got > out there. Believe it or not, this first session is where I > clocked in my > fastest track time of the day, 1:11. Couldn't tell you what > speed I made it > up to because they had the speedo blocked out. I think I've > improved a > little, don't you? hehe Same drill, five classroom and five > track sessions > with three extra "have fun" sessions for each group at the > end of the day. > These were more geared to making you more aware of your > surroundings. Also > got the ride the "lean bike" and "brake rig". The "lean bike" was > INCREDIBLE. If you think you're "lean-imapired", you need to > try this thing. > You can lean over as far as you like and you won't fall > over. They said > that you CAN lowside it but, I don't see how. Took me three > tries turning > left before they liked what they saw. Switched to turning > right and after > one pass, they'd seen enough. The instructor thinks I > definitely like right > handers over lefties. Wouldn't know HOW he got that > impression. :-P Rode > the camera bike twice this day. GREAT improvement noted. > :-D Finished for > the day incident free. Ordered some pics and a CD from the > photographer who > was on site. Got a couple pics with Keith. Got him to sign > one of my > t-shirts. Bought a t-shirt. Tony and his SO asked me if I > wanted to ride > back with them to her? folks house in PA and spend the night. > Then ride back > with him and his cousin this morning. I would have loved to > but, I had > already paid for the room and I couldn't cancel the third > night. Maybe next > time. Said my goodbyes and headed back to the hotel for a > hot shower, dinner > and some well-deserved rest. > > Day 4: Got up early and checked out. Beautiful morning for > a ride. Even > though it was colder, it was still a nice day. Hopped on the > bike and headed > home wishing I had had company (another 371.2 miles). Even > though I made an > hour long stop for lunch and a stretch this time, I chopped > an hour off my > ride home. Noticed that I had started using a lot of their > techniques and > instructions on the ride back. I was getting faster through > the corners, > leaning more and had more stable lines. > > I can now say for certain that I am no longer > "lean-impaired". I may still > be slightly nervous taking corners but, I now know I can > overcome those fears > and I WILL overcome them in the future. > > I don't intend on ever racing but, the experience and skills > I've gained from > this class are well worth it. For anyone out there who has > NOT taken a class > of this type or who has ever wanted to take one, I highly > recommend it and > would do it again in a heartbeat. Money permitting. LOL > > Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) > > ps. Tony, drop me a line to let me know how your trip home went. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 10:17:15 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:17:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Fried Wiring Harness, Trip Interrupted, Happy Ending (longish ) To: "Smith, Steven" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" --- "Smith, Steven" wrote: > > Crash (I'm not concerned about the voices in my head, and neither am I.) A lining of Aluminum foil in the helmet can help with that... ObMotoContent: Riding to Leesburg yesterday morning in the thick fog was eerie... I made sure to flash my brakelight in a random pattern when stopped at any street lights. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 11:06:21 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:06:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Paresh Karandikar Subject: Triumph blows To: dc DC-Cycles All right - for those of you who THINK Triumph is just as good as any of the big four - take the time to read this. If you are considering buying a new bike DEFINITELY read this. A little over a month ago, my 1999 Triumph Daytona 955i's engine blows up for no reason. I was on a road trip in New England and just south of Boston at the time. (For those of you who know Chris Weaver, he was with me). Had the bike towed through AMA motow to a shop in MA. Cut my trip short and shelled out the cash for a flight home. A month later Triumph America and I are negotiating the "details" of getting the bike fixed. For over a month, I am hanging out wasting one of the best riding months of the year. (Still waiting right now). Anyway, there was some body damage on the bike so I offered to pay all of my expenses (flight home, flight to go pick up the bike, etc.) if they fixed my plastic. The retail cost of the parts was about $1500 and my expenses would be a little over $500. So I figured, both parties could walk away happy because the retail cost of the parts is not what Triumph would have to pay and it would be easier for them to simply replace parts rather than write me a check for my expenses. On top of that deal, I expected Triumph to pay for the 500 mile service and give me a new 2 year warranty - considering it was a new (rebuilt) motor and all. Well Triumph comes back to me with the laughable offer of me paying for all of the expenses, they give me one body part of choice (out of three total needed - worth ~$500) and they pay for the 500 mile service. I asked about the warranty and he said they would not extend it. He said I still have 11 months left on it and that was good enough! I mentioned to the guy that this incident occurred just a week over the one year anniversary of its purchase date. What if that happened again with the new motor? He said nothing. Way to stand behind your bikes Triumph. I then proceeded to say well there is obviously no deal there - I might as well simply go the original route and expense everything and ride with the busted up body work. He said, "That was never offered." Then he continued saying that in warranty cases that technically it was my responsibility to get the bike to the dealer and back. The fact that they were "giving" me one body panel was generous. I said, even if I am out of town and incur significant expenses just to get home when it was totally Triumph's fault through a defect in their product? "Yes." Bottom line - Triumph blows and I think you should stay away from anything that bears their name. I can tolerate a defect but when they try to screw you after that, it is just unbearable. All I ever heard while looking into Triumph before I bought it was how good they are and how hard they work to maintain customer loyalty - especially when dealing with the stiff cometition of the big four. I have not seen one lick of that when it really counted. I am in the process of talking with a lawyer and sueing Triumph America under the VA Lemon Law. I know that this entitles me to all expenses due to the defect, legal fees, and more (not much more but still something). So now, I can't take the bike back until all of the legal hassles are handled. Thanks Triumph - you really did a great job with customer service on this one! Any of you Triumph lovers want to discuss this with me? I would love to take out my frustration some more. --Paresh 99 Triumph Daytona 955i but looking to change ASAP!!! PS - for those of you that are going to respond that the big four would treat you even worse - keep in mind that this is my 3rd bike. The first was a beat up old 88 CBR 600 Hurricane and a 95 RF900 neither of which EVER had any major problems. My response to you would be, well I never had to deal with them on warranty problems which is the ideal scenario!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 11:22:00 2000 From: "Bruce Norton" To: Subject: Re: Italian Motorcycle festival photos Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:16:36 -0400 Yeah, it really needed a little better organization. $10 was too much for what little they had on hand. Not the worst show I've been to but not the best either. Better luck next year. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" > i have to say that i was rather unimpressed with the > italian motorcycle "festival." it was neat to see a bunch > of italian bikes all in one place, but that's about it. of > course it is not easy to organize a get-together like this, > and it sounded as if this was the event's first year, but > the group i met there all echoed the same criticisms: > > -a $10 admission charge gave you the right to: > 1. pay for lunch, of which there was one choice; and > 2. win a t-shirt > -there were NO vendors peddling goods (okay, one selling > t-shirts....that don't count) > -the bike show was limited (not that the bikes weren't > interesting....it's just that there weren't many) > > i hope that next year more planning will go into this > event. for instance, if the guys from motoeuropa are going > to bother to drive up from richmond, how about asking them > to set up a booth of accessories? i bet colleen of the > motorcycle leather exchange would have made a killing up > there if she'd been invited. [who knows, maybe she was.] > everybody likes to see the latest helmets or tires, etc. > anyway, this is just some constructive criticism.....the > trip up was enjoyable and i'll probably do it again next > year to see if things get bigger and/or better. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 11:27:33 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:27:17 EDT Subject: Re: Lean impaired no more (a little long) To: cledford@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/2/00 10:18:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cledford@XXXXXX writes: > I'm interested in looking into this school, could you forward any contact > iinfo you've got? (especially a URL...) www.superbikeschool.com Having taken 3 days of Keith's school, I will second the high recomendation. The 2001 schedule should be up on their site this month, and if you're interested in taking the school *sign up early*. Like in Nov. Or when the schedule gets posted. It's been gaining in popularity and fills up quick! I'm planning on taking it again next year, prob up at pocono (did that in '99, VIR in '00. I think Pocono is a better track to take a school on as the south course at VIR is rather annoying with all it's off-camber and decreasing radius turns). - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 11:44:44 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 11:49:15 -0400 From: M Brodie To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N Hey folks, I was hanging out in the Barnes & Noble in Rockville when I looked out the window and saw that someone had placed tank and saddle bags on my VFR. I was about to go see what the heck was going on when 2 more bikes pulled up, an R1 and a GSX600. I looked at my bike and discovered it wasn't actually my bike! it was actually someone else with a bright yellow 00' VFR like mine! I laughed and cried (not really) after discovering someone else had the level headed sensibility that I did. Well actually, I am not sensible or level headed but it was nice to not feel like I am the only Viffer in a sea of DC R1s. Don't get me wrong I love R1s, but I bought a VFR. I know there are other viffers in this area, but I never see them where I usually like to hang out so it was kinda a spiritual moment (not really). Well now that I have rambled on enough, Bikers took over the Barnes and Noble yesterday evening, we all parked right in front of the store. There were a couple of Harleys, an R1, a GSX6 and 2 VFRs later that evening we went for a night ride. It was really fun cuz there is no place for sports bike riders to hang out in Rockville MD as cool as B&N (it would be much better if there was beer there but coffee is ok). That's why I propose making our mark on the B&N on 355 in Rockville. It should be an official sport bike hangout spot, there's lots of parking. If you are by the area, park out front of the Starbucks and claim the front parking spaces as biker territory. Get a cup of coffee and read a book dammit! Hopefully, when I go on any given Friday, Saturday or Sunday, I will have a few bikers to chat with. And did I mention the female hotties that hang out at the bookstore? Reason enough! I'll see you there.....>Winterman Free New Mp3 Music By Winterman "http://www.mp3.com/winterman" From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 11:50:40 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:50:26 EDT Subject: Re: Italian Motorcycle festival photos To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This was the first year for the event, and it got limited support as was very obvious. According to Bill Freeman, who set up the festival with the help of two others, lots of dealers were invited. And there were quite a few more prizes than just t-shirts, but most people bugged out early and missed out. Consequently I came home with a nice bottle of Italian wine. Good thing I had my saddlebags! :) There were more events planned, but they got botched due to limited support by the crowd. All in all, I think it was a good first year event at a great location. Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV (placed 2nd out of 4 in the "best sounding bike" contest :) In a message dated 10/2/00 9:29:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > i have to say that i was rather unimpressed with the > italian motorcycle "festival." it was neat to see a bunch > of italian bikes all in one place, but that's about it. of > course it is not easy to organize a get-together like this, > and it sounded as if this was the event's first year, but > the group i met there all echoed the same criticisms: > > -a $10 admission charge gave you the right to: > 1. pay for lunch, of which there was one choice; and > 2. win a t-shirt > -there were NO vendors peddling goods (okay, one selling > t-shirts....that don't count) > -the bike show was limited (not that the bikes weren't > interesting....it's just that there weren't many) > > i hope that next year more planning will go into this > event. for instance, if the guys from motoeuropa are going > to bother to drive up from richmond, how about asking them > to set up a booth of accessories? i bet colleen of the > motorcycle leather exchange would have made a killing up > there if she'd been invited. [who knows, maybe she was.] > everybody likes to see the latest helmets or tires, etc. > anyway, this is just some constructive criticism.....the > trip up was enjoyable and i'll probably do it again next > year to see if things get bigger and/or better. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 12:25:28 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:25:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Fried Wiring Harness, Trip Interrupted, Happy Ending (longish) --============_-1241618573==_ma============ "Marcus -- who is also a racer, suggested I try the Dunlop 207 GPs. On his recommendation, I ordered the tires. " Now, I haven't actually tried them on the street, but I have always been told that running GP tires (DOT race tires) on the street was bad medicine. Although they do offer great traction, they are not up to the task of being continuously heat-cycled, like a 'street' tire. I've been told that in street conditions, GP tires will lose their grip long before they run out of tread, unlike their street counterparts. I'm not an expert on tires, but I do know I have never seen a racer get new tires because they ran out of tread. "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va --============_-1241618573==_ma============ Geneva"Marcus -- who is also a racer, suggested I try the Dunlop 207 GPs. On his recommendation, I ordered the tires. " Now, I haven't actually tried them on the street, but I have always been told that running GP tires (DOT race tires) on the street was bad medicine. Although they do offer great traction, they are not up to the task of being continuously heat-cycled, like a 'street' tire. I've been told that in street conditions, GP tires will lose their grip long before they run out of tread, unlike their street counterparts. I'm not an expert on tires, but I do know I have never seen a racer get new tires because they ran out of tread. "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va --============_-1241618573==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 12:39:01 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:38:46 EDT Subject: Re: Fried Wiring Harness, Trip Interrupted, Happy Ending (longish) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This is absolutly correct. There are a miriad of problems running DOT certified race tires on the street, this being one of them. Also a problem is the fact that most street riders will have a hard time getting them up to optimal operating temperature (other than when blazing down 495), and they won't last as long. I get about 6k miles out of a street compound tire on my Duc, I'd prob only get 3k on a set of 207GPs or Pilot race tires. With a race tire at the track, if you ride anything other than a lightweight bike, you toss tires after 1 weekend (maybe two, depending on the bike and hp it puts out). There is plenty of rubber left according to the wear-bars, but the heat has caused the oils used in construction to come out of the tire. Once that happens, the tire becomes hard and doesn't stick anymore. On my 400 superbike I get 2 weekends out of a set of tires... a grand total of about 300 miles. - Roach In a message dated 10/2/00 12:27:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Sean.Jordan@XXXXXX writes: > Now, I haven't actually tried them on the street, but I have always > been told that running GP tires (DOT race tires) on the street was > bad medicine. Although they do offer great traction, they are not up > to the task of being continuously heat-cycled, like a 'street' tire. > I've been told that in street conditions, GP tires will lose their > grip long before they run out of tread, unlike their street > counterparts. I'm not an expert on tires, but I do know I have never > seen a racer get new tires because they ran out of tread. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 13:08:00 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 12:02:50 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Cc: "<" Subject: Re: Italian Motorcycle festival photos John, You should have entered the CBX in the best sounding bike contest, it surely would have placed. Cheers, George >>> "Swifty" 10/02/00 09:39AM >>> George, GREAT PICTURES !!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry I had to leave before the group yesterday but I had a *deadline* to meet. It was a fun ride!! Thanks John Swift 79 CBX 94 SB6 94 ZX 11 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 13:41:14 2000 From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) Subject: Re: Italian Motorcycle festival photos To: Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:41:10 -0400 It sure sounded beautiful as you left the park! Andrew '90 EX500 On Mon, 02 Oct 2000 12:02:50 -0500 "George Cole" wrote: > John, > > You should have entered the CBX in the best sounding bike contest, > it surely would have placed. > > Cheers, > > George > > >>> "Swifty" 10/02/00 09:39AM >>> > George, > > GREAT PICTURES !!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Sorry I had to leave before the group yesterday but I had a > *deadline* to > meet. It was a fun ride!! > > Thanks > > John Swift > 79 CBX > 94 SB6 > 94 ZX 11 From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 13:42:12 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 12:37:31 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Cc: "<" Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N >>> M Brodie wrote I am not sensible or level headed but it was nice to not feel like I am the only Viffer in a sea of DC R1s.Don't get me wrong I love R1s, but I bought a VFR. I know there are other viffers in this area, but I never see them where I usually like to hang out so it was kinda a spiritual moment (not really). Hey Winterman, There are lots of us VFR riders, here in the DC area, but the reason you don't see us much, is because we are out riding them. Not hanging out in parking lots( Bike night excluded). Yesterday 3 of us in a group of 10 rode out to WVA. Hook up with the DC group on the next ride, this Sat weather permitting. Get with the program, the VFR or any other sportbike is made for riding out on twisty roads out in the county somewhere, not posing. The next time you are in Rockville head out Rt 28 to Frederick ( this is where the ride begins ) then go north on rt 40 Alt then right on rt 17 (you will not be disappointed). Besides the VFR gets smoother and faster when the engine breaks in, mine has 4000 miles since July and still isn't broken in yet. Cheers, George Cole 00 VFR George M Cole Senior Account Manager Boise Technology www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 410 796-0714 CUSTOMER SERVICE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM 1-800-525-9500 FAX 1-800-952-9084 Boise. It couldn't be easier. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 13:47:27 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:47:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Just a little out of the ordinary http://www.guitarsforkids.com/GuitCycle.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 14:00:09 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:04:44 -0400 From: M Brodie To: George Cole CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N Heh, Thanks for the info George, I do love riding rather than hanging out, but when I get saddle sore, I like to stop at a spot where I can hang out with fellow bikers and talk about subjects on the list and see other bikes with after market mods. I can also get a decent cup of cofee read cycle world for free & I mean, come on, how long can you ride straight in the saddle?! all day? But I also occasionally like giving good looking women rides in exchange for their digits; for that poser type behavior I slap myself on the wrist. Heh, all things being equal though, I might just meet up with you guys next weekend........Peace Out! Winterman!................http://www.mp3.com/winterman George Cole wrote: > >>> M Brodie wrote > I am not sensible or level headed but it was nice to not feel like I am the only Viffer in a sea of DC R1s.Don't get me wrong I love R1s, but I bought a VFR. I know there are other viffers in this area, but I never see them where I usually > like to hang out so it was kinda a spiritual moment (not really). > > Hey Winterman, > > There are lots of us VFR riders, here in the DC area, but the reason you don't see us much, is because we are out riding them. Not hanging out in parking lots( Bike night excluded). Yesterday 3 of us in a group of 10 rode out to WVA. Hook up with the DC group on the next ride, this Sat weather permitting. > > Get with the program, the VFR or any other sportbike is made for riding out on twisty roads out in the county somewhere, not posing. The next time you are in Rockville head out Rt 28 to Frederick ( this is where the ride begins ) then go north on rt 40 Alt then right on rt 17 (you will not be disappointed). Besides the VFR gets smoother and faster when the engine breaks in, mine has 4000 miles since July and still isn't broken in yet. > > Cheers, > > George Cole > 00 VFR > > George M Cole > Senior Account Manager > Boise Technology > www.boisetech.com > 301-523-4161 > FAX 410 796-0714 > CUSTOMER SERVICE > 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM > 1-800-525-9500 FAX 1-800-952-9084 > > Boise. It couldn't be easier. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 14:18:40 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:13:52 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N >>> M Brodie wrote "I mean, come on, how long can you ride straight in the saddle?! all day? But I also occasionally like giving good looking women rides" Well sometimes yes, all day, with a few rest/fuel stops, that's what the VFR was built for. Ride west young man! And hey, there is nothing I like better than good looking women (wearing leather of course), and a good cup of coffee. As a matter of fact there were two lady bikers riding with us yesterday. Rockville's not to far from my house, maybe I will ride by. It's just all the traffic and clueless drivers in cages that I don't like in this area. That's why I hightail it out to the country Regards, George Cole 00 VFR with stuff. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 14:25:31 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:25:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N At 02:13 PM 10/2/00 , George Cole wrote: >And hey, there is nothing I like better than good looking women (wearing >leather of course), and a good cup of coffee. I can think of lots of things I like better than those two specific examples ;-) Most of them involve one or the other though. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 14:29:41 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:29:19 -0400 (EDT) From: lisa To: dccycles Subject: smile What a warm fuzzy for me! I picked up some apples at Safeway during lunch. Back at my desk I realize that they are Summit Point apples!! Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 15:18:21 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:22:36 -0400 From: M Brodie To: Silberg Eric J CRBE , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rockville and viffers Hey Eric, You guessed correctly, the other 00' VFR rider I met at B&N was Paul Hutchins. He told me he likes to ride his VFR into streams and over rocks and off road and in the crick and stuff. I told him when he plans on riding on the road, I would like to join him! We can work a little more on the vest idea...but it all sounds cool! Spread the word & Rockville B&N and Starbucks (Rt355) will be sports biker heaven in no time! Keep in touch & see you there!........>Moe "Winterman" Brodie.................>http://www.mp3.com/winterman Silberg Eric J CRBE wrote: > Hey,Saw your post about meeting at the Rockville B&N. I am another > viffer rider (94) in the area, actually live about a mile or so from > Montrose Crossing. Was the bagged viffer Paul Hutchins' by any > chance? Met him on the street one evening and rode with him once. > There are a few of us around... I like that idea of making Starbucks > biker territory - maybe we can get some vests made up, harley style > with a big cup of java (and a skull of course) on them, call ourselves > " 'Bucks' Bikers". Maybe not. Anyway, thought I'd drop a line, later > - Eric > > ******************* > Eric Silberg > Marine and Aviation, code 5300 > Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division > 9500 MacArthur Blvd > West Bethesda, MD 20817-5700 > > (301) 227-1595 (voice) > (301) 227-2584 (fax) > SilbergEJ@XXXXXX > www.dt.navy.mil From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 15:22:02 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: , "Troutman" Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:22:16 -0400 > At 02:13 PM 10/2/00 , George Cole wrote: > >And hey, there is nothing I like better than good looking women (wearing > >leather of course), and a good cup of coffee. > > I can think of lots of things I like better than those two specific > examples ;-) > > Most of them involve one or the other though ahhh, always interesting to listen to the men....lol! Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 15:24:10 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:17:45 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: FitE VI To: "Tanner, Linda" Cc: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" "Tanner, Linda" wrote: > > Ya talked me into it. If I had an envelope, I'd send my registration in. > They don't do paypal, do they? They might, ask the rallymaster, my bud, Bryan Moody, bmoody@XXXXXX > All that said, I don't have a clue how to go about doing this. > Helpful hints are being solicited and would be appreciated. Come to our little planning session at the Horkster residence, Sunday, October 8th. 11 am. (Open Invitation to all DC Cycles members). We'll look at all the bonus locations (they'll be available a week before the rally) and string together some plausible routes. Great fun. Last year Todd (the Beast of the Feast!) ran a route I thought was impossible. I ran a simpler version and placed mid-pack. But Todd pulled it off anyway and won! :) >> Anyone else interested in an 11 hour rally format, details are >> here: http://automated-design.com/fitevi/ Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 15:32:52 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:34:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Fried Wiring Harness, Trip Interrupted, Happy Ending (longish) At 12:38 PM 10/2/00 EDT, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: >This is absolutly correct. There are a miriad of problems running DOT >certified race tires on the street, this being one of them. Also a problem is >the fact that most street riders will have a hard time getting them up to >optimal operating temperature (other than when blazing down 495), and they >won't last as long. I get about 6k miles out of a street compound tire on my >Duc, I'd prob only get 3k on a set of 207GPs or Pilot race tires. To say nothing of the fact that very, very few riders can exceed the limits of a stickly street tire anyway. And even those who can have no business doing so on public roads. If you're pushing that hard on the street, big time trouble awaits. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 --------------------------------- You don't quit riding because you get old. You get old because you quit riding! From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 15:32:57 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:34:06 -0400 To: dc DC-Cycles From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Triumph blows I won't argue that maybe Triumph shouldn't treat you better, but virtually every warranty I've ever read specifically exludes coverage for ancillary expenses. If your tire blows and makes your Ford flip, Firestone's warranty still only pays to replace the tire (prorated for mileage, at that). I'm sure that Triumph is legally in the clear about not paying for anything but the repair itself, and about not extending the warranty. I'm not familiar with the details of VA's lemon law, but most such laws require that the manufacturer has attempted, and failed, to repair the same problem mutliple times. Or that the vehicle has had a certain number of failures in a specified period of time. Good luck, but if I were in your shoes I'd take their offer. Unless the body damage was caused by the motor failure, Triumph has absolutely no obligation at all to help you there. I suspect it's the best deal you're likely to get. >All right - for those of you who THINK Triumph is just >as good as any of the big four - take the time to read >this. If you are considering buying a new bike >DEFINITELY read this. > >A little over a month ago, my 1999 Triumph Daytona >955i's engine blows up for no reason. I was on a road >trip in New England and just south of Boston at the >time. (For those of you who know Chris Weaver, he was >with me). Had the bike towed through AMA motow to a >shop in MA. Cut my trip short and shelled out the >cash for a flight home. > >A month later Triumph America and I are negotiating >the "details" of getting the bike fixed. For over a >month, I am hanging out wasting one of the best riding >months of the year. (Still waiting right now). >Anyway, there was some body damage on the bike so I >offered to pay all of my expenses (flight home, flight >to go pick up the bike, etc.) if they fixed my >plastic. The retail cost of the parts was about $1500 >and my expenses would be a little over $500. So I >figured, both parties could walk away happy because >the retail cost of the parts is not what Triumph would >have to pay and it would be easier for them to simply >replace parts rather than write me a check for my >expenses. > >On top of that deal, I expected Triumph to pay for the >500 mile service and give me a new 2 year warranty - >considering it was a new (rebuilt) motor and all. > >Well Triumph comes back to me with the laughable offer >of me paying for all of the expenses, they give me one >body part of choice (out of three total needed - worth >~$500) and they pay for the 500 mile service. I asked >about the warranty and he said they would not extend >it. He said I still have 11 months left on it and >that was good enough! I mentioned to the guy that >this incident occurred just a week over the one year >anniversary of its purchase date. What if that >happened again with the new motor? He said nothing. >Way to stand behind your bikes Triumph. > >I then proceeded to say well there is obviously no >deal there - I might as well simply go the original >route and expense everything and ride with the busted >up body work. He said, "That was never offered." >Then he continued saying that in warranty cases that >technically it was my responsibility to get the bike >to the dealer and back. The fact that they were >"giving" me one body panel was generous. I said, even >if I am out of town and incur significant expenses >just to get home when it was totally Triumph's fault >through a defect in their product? "Yes." > >Bottom line - Triumph blows and I think you should >stay away from anything that bears their name. I can >tolerate a defect but when they try to screw you after >that, it is just unbearable. All I ever heard while >looking into Triumph before I bought it was how good >they are and how hard they work to maintain customer >loyalty - especially when dealing with the stiff >cometition of the big four. I have not seen one lick >of that when it really counted. > >I am in the process of talking with a lawyer and >sueing Triumph America under the VA Lemon Law. I know >that this entitles me to all expenses due to the >defect, legal fees, and more (not much more but still >something). So now, I can't take the bike back until >all of the legal hassles are handled. Thanks Triumph >- you really did a great job with customer service on >this one! > >Any of you Triumph lovers want to discuss this with >me? I would love to take out my frustration some >more. > > --Paresh > 99 Triumph Daytona 955i > but looking to change ASAP!!! > > >PS - for those of you that are going to respond that >the big four would treat you even worse - keep in mind >that this is my 3rd bike. The first was a beat up old >88 CBR 600 Hurricane and a 95 RF900 neither of which >EVER had any major problems. My response to you would >be, well I never had to deal with them on warranty >problems which is the ideal scenario!!! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 --------------------------------- You don't quit riding because you get old. You get old because you quit riding! From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 16:04:32 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:45:57 EDT Subject: Re: Fried Wiring Harness, Trip Interrupted, Happy Ending (longish) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/2/00 3:34:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rmeyer@XXXXXX writes: > To say nothing of the fact that very, very few riders can exceed the limits > of a stickly street tire anyway. And even those who can have no business > doing so on public roads. If you're pushing that hard on the street, big > time trouble awaits. Amen to that brother! (Although... there's a difference between being ABLE to outride a street tire, and actually doing so on the street ::grin::) I mounted the new Pilot DOT street tires to my Duc and see absolutly no reason to have a different tire on that bike on the street. On their maiden voyage the tires performed wonderfully up and down 211 at my usual street pace (about half race pace) and never slid or did anything that would make me think I needed a race tire. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 16:19:06 2000 From: "Swifty" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: CBX Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:58:52 -0400 I didn't want to put all those Italian beauties to shame.... 8>) The more cylinders the better............ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 16:33:30 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:33:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: CBX To: Swifty , DC Cycles plus the announcer would have scoffed at your scoot and referred to it as "sushi" made me a little embarrassed to own an italian bike when i heard that shit --- Swifty wrote: > I didn't want to put all those Italian beauties to > shame.... 8>) > > The more cylinders the better............ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 16:52:11 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: , "Daniel Kinney" Subject: RIDE THIS SATURDAY Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:52:25 -0400 excuse the all caps-but figured it would get the attention of those just scrolling through the digest version. Ok, had a few suggestions to make the ride a little bit later on Saturday morning to allow for it to warm up a little bit. Relaxed Ride Meeting place: Sheetz in Haymarket at corner of rts. 55 and 15 Time: 10 am, leaving NLT 10:30 Trip mileage: approx. 105 Ride leaders: Laura, James H. Make sure you fill up your tank before we leave, as this route only has two places we will stop for a break, and one of them doesn't have gas. Lunch at Joe's afterwards (pizza, pasta, sandwiches, hamburgers, etc.) for all that wish to stay and eat. Should be plenty of room for all of us. This time we will be putting the "faster" riders up toward the front of the groups and those that think they'll be a little bit slower toward the back to make the break-up of the groups work a little bit better. Also, if anyone will volunteer to sweep this ride, It'd be much appreciated. And also, again, feel free to bring anyone else you'd like...just remember, this is a relaxed ride...there will be no "spirited" group. See you Saturday. Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 16:54:39 2000 From: "Swifty" To: "Tom Gimer" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: CBX Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:54:08 -0400 PLUS the sushi would be pooped out as fried rice from six pipes From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 16:55:25 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: FitE VI To: "Tanner, Linda" Cc: "DC-CYCLES \(E-mail\)" > "Tanner, Linda" wrote: > > > > Ya talked me into it. If I had an envelope, I'd send my registration in. > > They don't do paypal, do they? > > They might, ask the rallymaster, my bud, Bryan Moody, bmoody@XXXXXX He sent a note on LDRiders saying he would accept PayPal, but reg deadline is Monday (TODAY!) > Come to our little planning session at the Horkster residence, > Sunday, October 8th. 11 am. (Open Invitation to all DC Cycles > members). I won't be attending FitE this year, but will be at the planning anyway. Good way to get some hints, ideas, b.s. and other stuff. :-) > >> Anyone else interested in an 11 hour rally format, details are > >> here: http://automated-design.com/fitevi/ Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 17:52:40 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:52:13 EDT Subject: Re: CBX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX A guy entered his Triumph Daytona, but couldn't compete with the sound from the twins. :) Great looking CBX by the way! Rob In a message dated 10/2/00 4:20:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cbxturbo@XXXXXX writes: > I didn't want to put all those Italian beauties to shame.... 8>) > > The more cylinders the better............ Note: This message may contain sarcasm. If you can't take sarcasm, please disregard this message and get a life. :) From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 18:03:30 2000 From: "James Reazor" To: Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:45:21 -0400 > > >And hey, there is nothing I like better than good looking women (wearing > > >leather of course), and a good cup of coffee. > > > > I can think of lots of things I like better than those two specific > > examples ;-) > > > > Most of them involve one or the other though > > ahhh, always interesting to listen to the men....lol! > > Laura > I don't think many guys would disagree with Mike on this one, Laura. Can't help it we're just wired that way. James From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 18:17:45 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: "James Reazor" , Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:17:51 -0400 > > ahhh, always interesting to listen to the men....lol! > > > > Laura > > > > I don't think many guys would disagree with Mike on this one, Laura. Can't > help it we're just wired that way. > > > James: I totally agree, I just always find it fun to listen to men talk about women...it just cracks me up, that's all...what, you don't think we talk about you guys that way? :-) Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 19:12:51 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:11:35 EDT Subject: My Italian Motorcycle Festival pics To: motoguzzi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, roadhouse@XXXXXX Here are my pics from the Italian Motorcycle Festival. There are some duplicate shots due to the change in lighting during the day. If anyone can help me identify the bikes, please feel free to e-mail me. Thanks! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1241593&a=9171502 Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 19:11:58 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:13:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Corbin Seats To: DC Cycles , soc-usa@XXXXXX Hi folks- I just breezed through the Corbin website looking for a more comfortable seat for my GS500E. Can any listers justify the $250.00 cost for the sporty model, and $500.00 for a touring model that includes a backrest for a passenger? The bike cost less than $4k brand new. I can't imagine $500.00 for a seat. Any other brands I should look at? Please help! Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 19:16:36 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:16:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Trickle Charger To: DC Cycles , soc-usa@XXXXXX I don't know if anyone already posted this, but from Motorcyclist Magazine, Sept 2000 (page 78)... ICP Global Technologies (www.icpglobal.com) has a solar powered trickle charger. For $39.99, the charger uses solar energy to trickle charge your 12 volt battery with 1.8 watts of output. Works in daylight (even cloudy whether they say) and comes with 20 feet of wire so you can store your bike inside while sticking the charger out in the yard. Sounds pretty neato. Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 19:35:56 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: paging danny thompson Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:36:09 -0400 Danny: send me an e-mail when you have a chance. Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 19:43:09 2000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:42 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: riding schools The subject of schools has come up so I'll post this link to interactive motorcycle. The article's fairly long but is very good and gives a review of several of the more popular riding schools out there including: Spencer, Code, CLASS, STAR and others. http://www.activebike.com/index/features/education/education.htm I attended CLASS earlier this year and it was worth every cent. I'm definitely going back next year and may even hit 2 of them. Pocono was a great track to take it at. it's shorter than most of the others so you spend more time in turns than burning down straights which any fool can do. keep the shiny side up! Rob From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 20:16:12 2000 From: "Richard L. Casale" To: "M Brodie" , , Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:17:30 -0400 Dude, name the day and I'll be there with my sparkling new '00 bumblebee. Cheers, RICHARD L. CASALE, Intranet Web Developer + Ride: Y2k VFR800 Interceptor + Email: RichCasale@XXXXXX + Website: http://cj33046-a.alex1.va.home.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Brodie" To: ; Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Rockville Starbucks 7 B&N > Hey folks, > > I was hanging out in the Barnes & Noble in Rockville when I looked out the window and saw that someone had placed tank and saddle bags on my VFR. I was about to go see what the heck was going on when 2 more bikes pulled up, an R1 and a GSX600. I looked at my bike and discovered it wasn't actually my bike! it was actually someone else with a bright yellow 00' VFR like > mine! I laughed and cried (not really) after discovering someone else had the level headed sensibility that I did. Well actually, I am not sensible or level headed but it was nice to not feel like I am the only Viffer in a sea of DC R1s. Don't get me wrong I love R1s, but I bought a VFR. I know there are other viffers in this area, but I never see them where I usually > like to hang out so it was kinda a spiritual moment (not really). Well now that I have rambled on enough, Bikers took over the Barnes and Noble yesterday evening, we all parked right in front of the store. There were a couple of Harleys, an R1, a GSX6 and 2 VFRs later that evening we went for a night ride. It was really fun cuz there is no place for sports bike riders to > hang out in Rockville MD as cool as B&N (it would be much better if there was beer there but coffee is ok). That's why I propose making our mark on the B&N on 355 in Rockville. It should be an official sport bike hangout spot, there's lots of parking. If you are by the area, park out front of the Starbucks and claim the front parking spaces as biker territory. Get a cup > of coffee and read a book dammit! Hopefully, when I go on any given Friday, Saturday or Sunday, I will have a few bikers to chat with. And did I mention the female hotties that hang out at the bookstore? Reason enough! I'll see you there.....>Winterman > > Free New Mp3 Music By Winterman "http://www.mp3.com/winterman" > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 21:41:35 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:41:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Paresh Karandikar Subject: Re: Triumph blows To: rmeyer@XXXXXX, dc DC-Cycles Thanks for the input. Actually, from what I remember of reading on the VA Lemon Law, the manufacturer is obligated to pay whatever expenses caused by the defect. The body work was not caused by the defect - that was why I was trying to negotiate for it. Since it wasn't working out, I was willing to accept that and simply get my expenses back and start riding again. But then he (Jerry Parrish - the guy mentioned in another posting earlier) said that was never offered. If the body work was caused by the defect, there would have been no argument - they would have had to fix it. I'm not happy that they can't trade bodywork for expenses, but I can accept it. But I don't think they can just absolve themselves of expenses that their defect directly caused me! I am afraid that you are right about any legal obligation to extend the warranty though. I'm not sure I agree with your example about the Ford flipping. And if that was the case - I am almost sure that the consumer can sue (Ford maybe instead of Firestone) for the other expenses (i.e. rental car, other mechanical damage, etc.) Well we will see what the lawyer has to say. I'll keep the list updated. Of course, it's easy for people to claim Triumph is really good when it comes to little things, which is what I heard throughout my research when looking into buying one. When it really mattered, they were no different than any other corporation. I also don't agree with simply accepting their offer. I have to see what my options are before I do that. It really urks me when corporations do stuff like this and assume the helpless consumer will just bend over and take it. If more people at least tried to fight, they might not be so quick to simply throw a measley bone and hope the consumer goes away. --Paresh ------------------------------------------------- I won't argue that maybe Triumph shouldn't treat you better, but virtually every warranty I've ever read specifically exludes coverage for ancillary expenses. If your tire blows and makes your Ford flip, Firestone's warranty still only pays to replace the tire (prorated for mileage, at that). I'm sure that Triumph is legally in the clear about not paying for anything but the repair itself, and about not extending the warranty. I'm not familiar with the details of VA's lemon law, but most such laws require that the manufacturer has attempted, and failed, to repair the same problem mutliple times. Or that the vehicle has had a certain number of failures in a specified period of time. Good luck, but if I were in your shoes I'd take their offer. Unless the body damage was caused by the motor failure, Triumph has absolutely no obligation at all to help you there. I suspect it's the best deal you're likely to get. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 21:50:58 2000 From: "Keith Lamond" To: "Matthew Rosenstock" , "DC Cycles" , Subject: Re: Corbin Seats Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:50:35 -0400 I've got a Corbin seat on my Nighthawk S, and it is much more comfortable for long rides than the stock seat. 2 questions for you: How much long distance riding are you planning on doing, and how long do you plan on keeping the bike? Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Rosenstock" To: "DC Cycles" ; Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 7:13 PM Subject: Corbin Seats > Hi folks- I just breezed through the Corbin website > looking for a more comfortable seat for my GS500E. Can > any listers justify the $250.00 cost for the sporty > model, and $500.00 for a touring model that includes a > backrest for a passenger? > > The bike cost less than $4k brand new. I can't imagine > $500.00 for a seat. > > Any other brands I should look at? > > Please help! > > Matthew Rosenstock > Suzuki GS500E > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Mon Oct 2 22:15:01 2000 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Italian Show Ride Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:09:48 -0400 **** From: "Rob Keiser" ...snip The bees were a pain, but the roads there and back were a blast! Great leading Jay and George!! Good weather, good food, nice bikes, fun people and great roads. It doesn't get much better! Rob '98 VFR800 **** Seconds. And more thanks, Jay, for the plan. Thoroughly enjoyable. Glad to help with the patchtools and follow, Keith -- could not have comfortably caught the Redskins and Races while a fellow rider is dealing with bike repairs on a Sunday in the outbacks! (Had taped the races, incidentally -- haven't seen many on TV, but that camera work riveted me.) Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> rode hard, put away wet Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 08:06:50 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:06:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles a comfortable seat is the best investment you'll ever make if you do any long-distance riding. well worth the $250, imo, because corbin is the best in the business (for now). i am a little frustrated by their prices too (has anyone seen what they are charging for plastic, integrated saddlebags? it's preposterus.) i wouldn't bother spending $500 on a touring seat w/ backrest.....unless you're doing a lot of two-up touring on that 500 (not likely). sargent is the brand that is mentioned after corbin....but i have never sat on their products. i'm pretty sure they use your stock seat innards and re-cover them. cheaper. --- Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > Hi folks- I just breezed through the Corbin website > looking for a more comfortable seat for my GS500E. Can > any listers justify the $250.00 cost for the sporty > model, and $500.00 for a touring model that includes a > backrest for a passenger? > > The bike cost less than $4k brand new. I can't imagine > $500.00 for a seat. > > Any other brands I should look at? > > Please help! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 08:18:24 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:17:52 -0400 From: X To: SOC-USA@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [SOC-USA] Trickle Charger you could buy it cheaper on harborfreight.com Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > I don't know if anyone already posted this, but from > Motorcyclist Magazine, Sept 2000 (page 78)... > > ICP Global Technologies (www.icpglobal.com) has a > solar powered trickle charger. For $39.99, the charger > uses solar energy to trickle charge your 12 volt > battery with 1.8 watts of output. Works in daylight > (even cloudy whether they say) and comes with 20 feet > of wire so you can store your bike inside while > sticking the charger out in the yard. > > Sounds pretty neato. > > Matthew Rosenstock > Suzuki GS500E > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > SOC-USA-unsubscribe@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 08:54:21 2000 From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Corbin Seats Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:53:59 -0400 Sargent does both - new seat pan or recovering your stock pan. I have a replacement seat for my CBR. I also have a Corbin for the CBR that I'm selling. The Sargent is as comfy or comfier and weighs significantly less. It has the added bonus of the fold away cargo hooks that are way cool. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Tom Gimer said: a comfortable seat is the best investment you'll ever make if you do any long-distance riding. well worth the $250, imo, because corbin is the best in the business (for now). i am a little frustrated by their prices too (has anyone seen what they are charging for plastic, integrated saddlebags? it's preposterus.) i wouldn't bother spending $500 on a touring seat w/ backrest.....unless you're doing a lot of two-up touring on that 500 (not likely). sargent is the brand that is mentioned after corbin....but i have never sat on their products. i'm pretty sure they use your stock seat innards and re-cover them. cheaper. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 09:02:58 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:05:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, soc-usa@XXXXXX Well, I will probably keep the bike another 2-3 years. Now that I found the DC-Cycles list, I plan to attend many more distance rides. I ride on my own a lot, but rarely more than 120 miles in one shot. I also plan a little more two up riding next year. It sounds like I should go for at least the touring model, maybe not with the backrest. Eventually I plan on purchasing an SV, but I'm getting married and buying a house in 2001, so the SV will have to wait until I'm ready. Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E --- Keith Lamond wrote: > I've got a Corbin seat on my Nighthawk S, and it is > much more comfortable > for long rides than the stock seat. > > 2 questions for you: How much long distance riding > are you planning on > doing, and how long do you plan on keeping the bike? > > Keith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew Rosenstock" > To: "DC Cycles" ; > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 7:13 PM > Subject: Corbin Seats > > > > Hi folks- I just breezed through the Corbin > website > > looking for a more comfortable seat for my GS500E. > Can > > any listers justify the $250.00 cost for the > sporty > > model, and $500.00 for a touring model that > includes a > > backrest for a passenger? > > > > The bike cost less than $4k brand new. I can't > imagine > > $500.00 for a seat. > > > > Any other brands I should look at? > > > > Please help! > > > > Matthew Rosenstock > > Suzuki GS500E > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 > Free! > > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 09:16:47 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SToppie - brandishing a weapon Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:24:02 -0700 On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:26:30 -0400, you wrote: |>Good advice given - stay away from all diplomatic plates. Better advice: stay away from all vehicles (and objects). The more space between you and everything around you, the better. Doesn't take a hard collision to knock us off balance, and falling onto the ground with traffic around, I really wouldnt' care what kind of plates were on said vehicle. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 09:17:02 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First Stoppie - Unintentional (and cross-posted) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:24:17 -0700 |>And I NEVER want to do it that way again. Just when you thought stoppies were for squids, right? Personally, I think people should learn to do stoppies, so they are comfortable with maximum braking. I know a person who washed out their front wheel of a 600, only to buy a 900. If you can't stop the bike you had, why get a bike that goes even faster? So anyway, back to my point.. go ahead and be "squidly" and learn to do stoppies, because they can be practical and useful in the real world of oblivious drivers. In emergency braking like that, the rear wheel comes off the ground. Personally I pull the clutch in and don't use the rear brake to avoid fish tailing while the rear wheel is still on the ground. Another thing I can learn from this experience is, once a driver demonstrates he's a dangerous moron, keep him in front of you, not behind or beside.. just sacrafice a little time playing babysitter watching his every move so that you gaurantee he's not plowing into you. As for the anger.. chalk it up as an oppertuntiy to learn to calm your anger... you may save yourself from a manslaughter charge later on, with that self control. Control your passions less they control you. In summation: 1. Do stoppies/endos - you get good at using your brakes to their limits 2. Keep unsafe drivers in front of you 3. Anger - just let it go Daniel cars are stupid and have contagious coodies, stay away from them From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 09:27:27 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:26:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: [SOC-USA] Trickle Charger To: SOC-USA@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles I checked Horrible Freight online and could not find one for the MC. Everything I see plugs in to the cig lighter. Did you buy one from there online? Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E --- X wrote: > you could buy it cheaper on harborfreight.com > > Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > > > I don't know if anyone already posted this, but > from > > Motorcyclist Magazine, Sept 2000 (page 78)... > > > > ICP Global Technologies (www.icpglobal.com) has a > > solar powered trickle charger. For $39.99, the > charger > > uses solar energy to trickle charge your 12 volt > > battery with 1.8 watts of output. Works in > daylight > > (even cloudy whether they say) and comes with 20 > feet > > of wire so you can store your bike inside while > > sticking the charger out in the yard. > > > > Sounds pretty neato. > > > > Matthew Rosenstock > > Suzuki GS500E > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 > Free! > > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > SOC-USA-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 09:29:25 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 'Lomats and knowing how to ride - and being seen Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:36:40 -0700 |>where I had to merge, he still hadn't let me in...finally I found myself |>saying "damn it asshole, the least you could do is let me over." The guy |>turned, and with a surprised look (although I was more surprised b/c I |>didn't think I said it *that* loud) gave me a look of "whoa, I didn't even |>see you there" even though I'd been riding next to him trying to merge for a Was it possible to accellerate, atleast to line up with his front bumper? Sometimes 'aggressive' riding is defensive driving. If you're going to ride beside a car (meaning if you have to), it's better to be in your lane (on the far side) and lined up with his front fender than his rear fender. Then he has a lot better chance of noticing you. Also you might want to try swapping your head light out for a blue headlight..or use your highbeams.. or get one of those pretty rainbow prisms that sleeve your headlight...it does make you more noticable. I have it on my bike.. but i probably should take it off.. I ride around and assume the next move every car can make... and when they dont' notice me, i can predict their moves..when they do notice me.. that's when they do half assed maneuvers :) Or you might want to have your headlight aim checked. I light to have mine aimed just below a cars side mirror... so when I hit a bump, they get a little low beam flash to notice me (at night).. and in the day time, I use high beams sometimes (especially in heavy traffic).. because high beams are only annoying in the daytime if you look directly into them, other wise they just are attention grabbing. (note: that's in the sun/daylight not the shade) Daniel Ride to be seen, don't ride along in the herd, the herd gets slaughtered. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 09:33:53 2000 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 'Lomats and knowing how to ride Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:41:05 -0700 |> Why, because he was too busy to be concerned about the task at hand |>[driving] regardless of who he was endangering ? |>You owe absolutely nothing to an idiot like that. True.. I want to point out that a rider should take the initiative to either accellerate or slow down to TAKE/MAKE their own position when merging.. Riding along beside a cage is a bad habbit. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 09:34:56 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:34:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: FW: Corbin Seats To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Are these online somewhere? Dennis Kirk does not carry Sargent brand. Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E --- "Tanner, Linda" wrote: > Sargent does both - new seat pan or recovering your > stock pan. I have a > replacement seat for my CBR. I also have a Corbin > for the CBR that I'm > selling. The Sargent is as comfy or comfier and > weighs significantly less. > It has the added bonus of the fold away cargo hooks > that are way cool. > > LindaT. > Springfield, VA, USA > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) > 00 KLR250 Tenzing > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 09:43:53 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:43:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: Tom Gimer , Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles Conventional wisdom on the Long Distance list is that Russell (www.day-long.com)is the best in the business. Their prices are similar to Corbin, their seats are particularly ugly, Louis Caplan and Dale Horstman each have one. If I ever figure out what bike I'm going to keep, I'll order one, too. Leon. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > a comfortable seat is the best investment you'll > ever make > if you do any long-distance riding. well worth the > $250, > imo, because corbin is the best in the business (for > now). > > i am a little frustrated by their prices too (has > anyone > seen what they are charging for plastic, integrated > saddlebags? it's preposterus.) > > i wouldn't bother spending $500 on a touring seat w/ > backrest.....unless you're doing a lot of two-up > touring on > that 500 (not likely). > > sargent is the brand that is mentioned after > corbin....but > i have never sat on their products. i'm pretty sure > they > use your stock seat innards and re-cover them. > cheaper. > > > --- Matthew Rosenstock > wrote: > > Hi folks- I just breezed through the Corbin > website > > looking for a more comfortable seat for my GS500E. > Can > > any listers justify the $250.00 cost for the > sporty > > model, and $500.00 for a touring model that > includes a > > backrest for a passenger? > > > > The bike cost less than $4k brand new. I can't > imagine > > $500.00 for a seat. > > > > Any other brands I should look at? > > > > Please help! > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 > Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 09:57:47 2000 From: "Rob Keiser" To: m_rosenstock@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Corbin Seats Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:57:29 EDT Try: http://www.SargentCycle.com/ I just got one for my VFR and I love it. YMMV I ordered mine through Arizona Motorsports. They can probably get one for you, if available. Here's their site: http://store.yahoo.com/azmotorsports/ Hope this helps. Rob '98 VFR800 >From: Matthew Rosenstock >To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: FW: Corbin Seats >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:34:52 -0700 (PDT) > >Are these online somewhere? Dennis Kirk does not carry >Sargent brand. > >Matthew Rosenstock >Suzuki GS500E > >--- "Tanner, Linda" wrote: > > Sargent does both - new seat pan or recovering your > > stock pan. I have a > > replacement seat for my CBR. I also have a Corbin > > for the CBR that I'm > > selling. The Sargent is as comfy or comfier and > > weighs significantly less. > > It has the added bonus of the fold away cargo hooks > > that are way cool. > > > > LindaT. > > Springfield, VA, USA > > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > > 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) > > 00 KLR250 Tenzing > > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! >http://photos.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 10:03:45 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:03:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: Leon Begeman , Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles --- Leon Begeman wrote: > Conventional wisdom on the Long Distance list is that > Russell (www.day-long.com)is the best in the business. > Their prices are similar to Corbin, their seats are > particularly ugly, leon, is this the way you wanted this to come out? ugly is not something i want for my m/c! i'd prefer to have a good looking seat on my cycle....i guess that's why i've owned 2 corbins (we're dealing in the subjective, i know). but i've also done a SS1K in a corbin on my 900RR....so i can attest to their long-distance capability as well. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 10:16:10 2000 From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC-CYCLES (E-mail)" Subject: RE: FW: Corbin Seats Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:15:47 -0400 Check them out at http://www.sargentcycle.com/ Good customer service - completely unlike Corbin. HTH LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Rosenstock [mailto:m_rosenstock@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:35 AM To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Corbin Seats Are these online somewhere? Dennis Kirk does not carry Sargent brand. Matthew Rosenstock Suzuki GS500E From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 10:20:37 2000 From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Erratum concerning my D207s... Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:20:42 -0400 Please excuse my misstatement of yesterday. I do NOT have the 207 GP I have the 207 SportMax, much like the BT56SS or Michelin Pilot Sport. My aim was to get something gooey for winter commuting, and a hard to warm DOT race tire would certainly not be what I wanted. Thanks to all who pointed out this error. Crash (SportMax -- a goofy name, but serious grip.) AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 10:22:54 2000 From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/02/00 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:22:44 EDT Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Italian Motorcycle festival photos To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- George Cole wrote: >Good Morning everyone, > >I have posted some images from yesterdays MC festival in >Shepherdstown. Here is a link. > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=986620&a=9149695 > > >It turned out to be a great day, i have to say that i was rather unimpressed with the italian motorcycle "festival." it was neat to see a bunch of italian bikes all in one place, but that's about it. of course it is not easy to organize a get-together like this, and it sounded as if this was the event's first year, but the group i met there all echoed the same criticisms: -a $10 admission charge gave you the right to: 1. pay for lunch, of which there was one choice; and 2. win a t-shirt -there were NO vendors peddling goods (okay, one selling t-shirts....that don't count) -the bike show was limited (not that the bikes weren't interesting....it's just that there weren't many) -> Yeah, the cost thing was disappointing...NOT! Having travelled with -> a couple other MOFOS heading east out of Grafton, WV, and intending -> to meet you there, we finally found Shepardstown at around 3pm. We -> missed you, but the gatekeepers let us in FREE (we already decided -> not to pay anything anyway) because they figured it was all over -> anyway. And having not stopped for lunch, I was handed a big plate -> of ziti and lasagna with bread and a coke for a whopping $2! They -> trying to get rid of it. -> -> I liked this show! Oh, the bikes were ok too. -> -> Todd _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 10:29:57 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:24:33 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Stoppie's >>> wrote "Personally, I think people should learn to do stoppies, so they are comfortable with maximum braking." I have tried to get the rear up on my VFR, just to get a feel of the braking limits and I can't do it. Its either Honda's linked brakes or my fat A$$. But I can do reverse stoppies all day. I will probally put some steel braided brake lines on the front as a winter project. George Cole 00 VFR . From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 10:30:47 2000 From: Danny Thompson To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: VIR this weekend Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:34:28 -0400 Encoding: 10 TEXT Anyone going to VIR this weekend looking for a roommate? Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '00 SV www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 11:17:25 2000 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:16:47 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: Stoppie's To: "'George Cole'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Would you mind explaining a "reverse stoppie"? -Calvin > -----Original Message----- > From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:25 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > Subject: Stoppie's > > > >>> wrote > > "Personally, I think people should learn to do stoppies, so they are > comfortable with maximum braking." > > > I have tried to get the rear up on my VFR, just to get a feel > of the braking limits and I can't do it. Its either Honda's > linked brakes or my fat A$$. > > But I can do reverse stoppies all day. > > I will probally put some steel braided brake lines on the > front as a winter project. > > George Cole > 00 VFR > > . > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 11:17:29 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:15:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: Matthew Rosenstock Cc: Tom Gimer , DC Cycles Tom Gimer wrote: > > a comfortable seat is the best investment you'll ever make > if you do any long-distance riding. well worth the $250, > imo, because corbin is the best in the business (for now). I agree with everything Tom said, if you substitute "Russel" for "corbin" in the above paragraph. :) Russell is simply the best if you are looking for all day comfort. Ugly as hell, but worth the money IMO. http://www.day-long.com/ - there are pictures of saddles on various models of bikes. They build the seat on your stock seat pan. Horkster, happy with his secondhand Russell -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 11:17:41 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:22:03 -0400 From: M Brodie To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rockville Starbucks/Barnes & Noble Ok Folks, Heres the deal. I am thinking about Sunday evening at about 4pm having all the local sport riders converge on the Rockville Starbucks/Barnes & Noble (Rt355 MD by Montrose/Randolph Road). It is definately a good place for sport bikers (Hooters is for Harleys though I go there from time to time for uh......wings). Unfortunately & also fortunately, there is no beer there, but that does not stop the festivities. There will be other drinks and food (If you buy them yourself from Starbucks) and probably a good ammount of people there already. If the 15 min parking spaces there are open, park your bike there (rear-in) and we will all take over the front area parking as other cars move. You can park your bike there for as long as you want without hassle. Now remember, you didn't hear this from me, cuz its not an officially sanctioned event, we just want to make that area new biker territory. I am pretty sure others will come once they see the array of bright yellow and red VFRs (heh). Well, I will be there after my long day ride and who knows, we might have a squid fest in the parking lot (not really). Its a 3 day weekend for most of us, so you know you don't have an excuse for not hanging out. Non VFR and Female bikers should attend as well! I have a couple of friends on YZF 600s and an R1 so you won't be alone. Remember, if this ends up being huge, I didn't start it!.................Your pal.............Winterman http://www.mp3.com/winterman From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 11:23:31 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:23:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: Tom Gimer , Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles I just tells it as I sees it. Russell's are ugly, they are also the best there is for distance riding. If you want something that looks good and is better than stock for distance riding, get a Corbin. If you want the best there is for distance riding, get a Russell. I've done several SS1Ks, a couple of BBGs and a few trips of more 5000 to 8000 miles on a stock seat. When I start taking long trips, I'm going to get a Russell. Leon. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > Conventional wisdom on the Long Distance list is > that > > Russell (www.day-long.com)is the best in the > business. > > Their prices are similar to Corbin, their seats > are > > particularly ugly, > > leon, is this the way you wanted this to come out? > ugly is > not something i want for my m/c! > > i'd prefer to have a good looking seat on my > cycle....i > guess that's why i've owned 2 corbins (we're dealing > in the > subjective, i know). but i've also done a SS1K in a > corbin > on my 900RR....so i can attest to their > long-distance > capability as well. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 11:39:54 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:37:07 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: Tom Gimer Cc: Leon Begeman , Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles Tom Gimer wrote: > leon, is this the way you wanted this to come out? ugly is > not something i want for my m/c! Ugly is also subjective. My butt thinks the Russell looks beautiful. :) And my eyes can't see the seat when I'm riding it. :) Maybe my seat has "character"? :) > i'd prefer to have a good looking seat on my cycle....i > guess that's why i've owned 2 corbins (we're dealing in the > subjective, i know). Corbins are hit or miss. Either you find them comfortable or you don't. I've never put any real miles on one to find out. What I have noticed about Corbins is their tendency to rip along seams, and to come unglued from the foam in spots (especially if the seat is dished a bit), which looks kind of weird. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 11:45:13 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:39:01 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , , Subject: RE: Stoppie's >>> "Ledford, Calvin" wrote Would you mind explaining a "reverse stoppie"? Do I have to exlplain everything? Its when you get your Goldwing going real fast in reverse and hit the rear brake... From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 12:07:52 2000 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Stoppie's Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:02:40 -0400 Worth reposting: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=107565&a=798681&p=22362539 Would you mind explaining a "reverse stoppie"? Do I have to exlplain everything? Its when you get your Goldwing going real fast in reverse and hit the rear brake... From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 12:48:22 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:48:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: Tom Gimer , DC Cycles -- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > Conventional wisdom on the Long Distance list is that > > Russell (www.day-long.com)is the best in the business. > > Their prices are similar to Corbin, their seats are > > particularly ugly, > > leon, is this the way you wanted this to come out? ugly is > not something i want for my m/c! I honestly like the looks of my Russell. I got it with large rectangles, which looks a lot better than the small squares or diamonds that some people get. You can see it at: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/photos (second to last photo) Or to see just the Russel you can go to: http://members.nbci.com/nighthawk700/photos/russell.JPG Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://MD-20-20.tripod.com Home Page: http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 13:20:50 2000 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: I can officially say "Now I've seen it all" !!! Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:06:01 -0400 http://www.viberider.com Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 13:54:49 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:59:47 -0700 From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles , Suzuki Bikes Subject: Bike Night next Tuesday Just a reminder that Bike Night is next Tuesday at Grevey's in Falls Church, VA. All the details are on the website: http://www.geocities.com/bikenight Hope to see y'all there! Chuck, aka Skittles, aka Shooter '93 GSXR750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 14:23:56 2000 Date: 3 Oct 2000 11:23:44 -0700 To: fj1100@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I can officially say "Now I've seen it all" !!! On Tue, 03 October 2000, "Gary Foreman" wrote: > > > > http://www.viberider.com LMAO! First of all....how did you come across that? :-) Second of all, what if it's a man on the back??? Think it would work just as well? :-) I don't know what you all think...but if that's what the world is coming to in terms of getting your woman off, we have a serious problem on our hands....!!!! ROTFLMAO... Laura > > > > > Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club > gary@XXXXXX > http://www.tl1000.com > ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 14:39:07 2000 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "LAURA GRANATO" Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: I can officially say "Now I've seen it all" !!! Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:21:53 -0400 It's in the back of this months "Motor Cyclist"! I think they make a Vacu-Jack for the guys :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:24 PM > To: fj1100@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: I can officially say "Now I've seen it all" !!! > > > On Tue, 03 October 2000, "Gary Foreman" wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://www.viberider.com > > LMAO! First of all....how did you come across that? :-) Second > of all, what if it's a man on the back??? Think it would work > just as well? :-) > > I don't know what you all think...but if that's what the world is > coming to in terms of getting your woman off, we have a serious > problem on our hands....!!!! ROTFLMAO... > > Laura > > > > > > > > > > Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club > > gary@XXXXXX > > http://www.tl1000.com > > > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 14:44:19 2000 Date: 3 Oct 2000 11:44:06 -0700 To: fj1100@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I can officially say "Now I've seen it all" !!! On Tue, 03 October 2000, "Gary Foreman" wrote: > > It's in the back of this months "Motor Cyclist"! wow...I missed that...will have to go back and look again...not > I think they make a Vacu-Jack for the guys :-) hmmmm...would be interested to see how that one works...with stuff like this, maybe you guys will never need us gals again...lol > > > > ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 14:44:23 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:44:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: Leon Begeman , Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles --- Leon Begeman wrote: > I just tells it as I sees it. > > Russell's are ugly, they are also the best there is > for distance riding. If you want something that looks > good and is better than stock for distance riding, get > a Corbin. If you want the best there is for distance > riding, get a Russell. > > I've done several SS1Ks, a couple of BBGs and a few > trips of more 5000 to 8000 miles on a stock seat. > When I start taking long trips, I'm going to get a > Russell. when you start taking LONG trips???? leon, you take a long trip (by most peoples' standards) every weekend. you should be sponsored by a seatmaker, for pete's sake! i'm amazed you do it all on a stock seat....and i thought i liked pain. i'm sure leon's right about the russels....it's just that i've never heard of a plug for a product which flatly states that it is perfectly functional, yet heinous! russell for iron butt-ers corbin or sargent for marked improvement over stock > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > > Conventional wisdom on the Long Distance list is > > > that Russell (www.day-long.com)is the best in the > > > business. Their prices are similar to Corbin, their > > > seats are particularly ugly, > > > > leon, is this the way you wanted this to come out? > > ugly is not something i want for my m/c! > > > > i'd prefer to have a good looking seat on my > > cycle.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 14:48:10 2000 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FW: Stoppie's Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:45:28 -0400 wouldn't that be called a "fallie"? -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:39 AM To: cledford@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Stoppie's >>> "Ledford, Calvin" wrote Would you mind explaining a "reverse stoppie"? Do I have to exlplain everything? Its when you get your Goldwing going real fast in reverse and hit the rear brake... From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 15:04:34 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:04:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 10/02/00 To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Todd Peer wrote: > Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > Subject: Re: Italian Motorcycle festival photos > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > i have to say that i was rather unimpressed with the > italian motorcycle "festival." it was neat to see a > bunch of italian bikes all in one place, but that's about > it. of course it is not easy to organize a get-together > like this, and it sounded as if this was the event's first > year, but the group i met there all echoed the same > criticisms: > > -a $10 admission charge gave you the right to: > 1. pay for lunch, of which there was one choice; and > 2. win a t-shirt > -there were NO vendors peddling goods (okay, one selling > t-shirts....that don't count) > -the bike show was limited (not that the bikes weren't > interesting....it's just that there weren't many) > > -> Yeah, the cost thing was disappointing...NOT! Having travelled with a couple other MOFOS heading east out of Grafton, WV, and intending to meet you there, we finally found Shepardstown at around 3pm. We missed you, but the gatekeepers let us in FREE (we already decided not to pay anything anyway) because they figured it was all over anyway. <- lucky bastards! sorry....but after about 2 hours there, we had had enough and hit the pavement for home. i hadn't heard from you guys over the weekend, and didn't know whether or not you would be trying to meet up. -> And having not stopped for lunch, I was handed a big plate of ziti and lasagna with bread and a coke for a whopping $2! They trying to get rid of it. <- ZITI??? i got lasagna only. i paid $3. i'm beginning to see a pattern here. they obviously appreciated all of the "sushi" you guys brought with you!! couldn't resist > -> I liked this show! Oh, the bikes were ok too. anybody know which one was the eventual winner??? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 15:24:35 2000 From: "Perry Coleman" To: lgranato@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I can officially say "Now I've seen it all" !!! Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:24:26 EDT Laura, Who's to say that you couldn't install it under the rider's portion of the seat? With more women riding, it would only seem fair. ;^) How apropo that this comes to light the same day that we're disucssing the relative merits of Russell, Sargent and Corbin seats. Hmmm... Perry >From: LAURA GRANATO >To: fj1100@XXXXXX >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: I can officially say "Now I've seen it all" !!! >Date: 3 Oct 2000 11:23:44 -0700 > >On Tue, 03 October 2000, "Gary Foreman" wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://www.viberider.com > >LMAO! First of all....how did you come across that? :-) Second of all, >what if it's a man on the back??? Think it would work just as well? :-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 15:38:17 2000 Date: 3 Oct 2000 12:38:08 -0700 To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I can officially say "Now I've seen it all" !!! > Who's to say that you couldn't install it under the rider's portion of the > seat? With more women riding, it would only seem fair. ;^) I bet that would get a lot more women riding bikes too...lol. potential +s: 1. you can ride the seat whenever you want to 2. you can ride the seat for as long as you want to minuses: 1. "ummm...officer...I can't really tell you why I crashed my bike" ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 16:01:19 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:00:52 -0500 From: Brainless To: SOC-USA@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [SOC-USA] Re: Corbin Seats Matthew, Congrats on your life milestone. The GS500E is a great commute bike and 120miles at one time is not too bad at all. You will not have a problem having a pillion on that little beast but you will not have the same comfort as a bigger bike. The SV might be a good choice although it might not be suited to go longer trips. There are no real sport-tourers since Suzuki discontinued the RF... Speaking of which There are 2 used RF900R at Leo's South (Minneapolis, MN) solid green 1995(6?) and the exact same 97 I have, color and everything. Both are stock and have approx 5-6k miles on them. Pretty darn good condition. Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > > Well, I will probably keep the bike another 2-3 years. > Now that I found the DC-Cycles list, I plan to attend > many more distance rides. I ride on my own a lot, but > rarely more than 120 miles in one shot. I also plan a > little more two up riding next year. It sounds like I > should go for at least the touring model, maybe not > with the backrest. > > Eventually I plan on purchasing an SV, but I'm getting > married and buying a house in 2001, so the SV will > have to wait until I'm ready. > > Matthew Rosenstock > Suzuki GS500E > > --- Keith Lamond wrote: > > I've got a Corbin seat on my Nighthawk S, and it is > > much more comfortable > > for long rides than the stock seat. > > > > 2 questions for you: How much long distance riding > > are you planning on > > doing, and how long do you plan on keeping the bike? > > > > Keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matthew Rosenstock" > > To: "DC Cycles" ; > > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 7:13 PM > > Subject: Corbin Seats > > > > > > > Hi folks- I just breezed through the Corbin > > website > > > looking for a more comfortable seat for my GS500E. > > Can > > > any listers justify the $250.00 cost for the > > sporty > > > model, and $500.00 for a touring model that > > includes a > > > backrest for a passenger? > > > > > > The bike cost less than $4k brand new. I can't > > imagine > > > $500.00 for a seat. > > > > > > Any other brands I should look at? > > > > > > Please help! > > > > > > Matthew Rosenstock > > > Suzuki GS500E > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 > > Free! > > > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > SOC-USA-unsubscribe@XXXXXX -- +=JVD=+ "Be joyful always" 1 Thes 5:16 --------------------------------------------- Brainless Sr Software Engineer @ Medtronic, Inc. AMA - Member CMA - RevElations Suzuki Owners Club USA - www.soc-usa.org 1997 Suzuki RF900RV 1986 Yamaha FZX 700 Fazer --------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 16:16:24 2000 From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: Sargent Seats Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:16:50 -0700 All this discussion of seats on the list lately reminded me of how uncomfortable I found my stock VTR seat during my long New England trip last month. I actually tried to get a Corbin shipped to me on the road while I was up there, but they said it would take 4-6 weeks, so I grinned and bore it. I just ordered a replacement seat from Sargent (yes they make entire seats from scratch). I'll inform the list as to how good it is once I receive it in a few days(!). The VTR mailing list archives reflects very positive comments about them, especially when compared to Corbin. Apperently Corbin's customer service sucks and their workmanship isn't up to Sargent's standard. We'll see. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. Sargent now offers some other interesting items, such as a tank pad/storage solution that looks good. Too bad they don't offer it for my bike. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 16:40:20 2000 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:34:32 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Corbin Seats To: Tom Gimer Cc: Leon Begeman , Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles Tom Gimer wrote: > > russell for iron butt-ers > corbin or sargent for marked improvement over stock I can agree with that. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 17:09:30 2000 From: "James Reazor" To: "Leon Begeman" , "Tom Gimer" , "Matthew Rosenstock" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Corbin Seats Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:10:24 -0400 Ya know? I started reading this thread and I'm thinking "how ugly can a seat really be?". Then I hit the web site... my god. I understand that these things are built for comfort and I can appreciate that, if I found my seat particularly uncomfortable I wouldn't let appearance get in the way of longer rides. The degree of ugliness also depends on the bike. The pic of the Goldwing looks fine, the KLR on the other hand... James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Begeman" To: "Tom Gimer" ; "Matthew Rosenstock" ; "DC Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Corbin Seats > I just tells it as I sees it. > > Russell's are ugly, they are also the best there is > for distance riding. If you want something that looks > good and is better than stock for distance riding, get > a Corbin. If you want the best there is for distance > riding, get a Russell. From dc-cycles-request Tue Oct 3 17:36:11 2000 From: "James Reazor" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: [SOC-USA] Re: Corbin Seats Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:37:05 -0400 I've taken my SV on several 120-150 mile solo trips with out a break and find it very comfortable for that distance. My wife, on the other hand, isn't crazy about the passenger foot peg locations. Says they're fine for short trips but that's about it. I figure that'll be my excuse to buy a second bike in a year or two. James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brainless" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000