From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 08:26:39 1999 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: CBR wanted Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:26:44 -0500 Organization: NCEA Thinking of upgrading your ride or putting a deposit on the new RC51? If you have a CBR600F2 you need to sell to make room, let me know. After a neighbor's Ford used my parked CBR to decorate their front end, I became rideless. I am looking for an older F2 with clean, stock bodywork. If anyone knows of any good ones for sale, they can email me offlist. I am currently tracking the Post and Cycle Trader online and the best of the bikes got sold while my insurance settlement check languished in the mail, anyone looking for complimentary things about Colonial Insurance from me will have to look elsewhere. CPS is having its usual and customary cranium lodged in rectal structure prices in place on used bikes, so I've had no luck there. I was really hoping to make it to the Fall Ride, but alas insurers and a crappy dealer conspired to keep me bikeless. CPS told me that if I didn't turn over title to the insurance company and took possession of my bike, I'd have to pay $375 in storage fees, in addition to the estimate fee; I didn't know whether to hold my wallet, or my ankles. Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP AMA 663626 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 08:30:05 1999 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:29:14 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Re: dead battery ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Took the seat and side covers off and the battery is totally encased in plastic and wires and relays and all kinds of crap! I can't get to the positive battery terminal nor do I have any idea how to get the blasted thing out so I can replace it :( ... If anyone has any suggestions on how to get to the battery without dismantling the bike or how to get it started another way... ********************** It's too late for your Saturday ride, but this might help anyway. If your Virago is anything like my stepson's '94 Special, I sympathize with you in trying to service the battery - you can't even see parts of it until you remove the passenger seat and the drivers seat. You CAN reach the postive wire coming off the battery, though, where it goes to the starter relay, under the right side plastic cover below the drivers seat. Clip the battery charger positive lead there, and clip the battery charger ground lead anywhere you can get a good ground (a piece of hardware bolted to the frame or engine probably). This way you can charge the battery or jump start the bike. If your bike is not like the one I'm thinking of, just look for a big wire coming off the battery - if it goes to the frame, it's the ground. If it goes to a small device with another big wire attached to it then that's the starter relay and the big wire from the battery is the positive one. If the battery died, though you probably need something else - like adding water to the battery, a new battery, or a checkout of the charging system. Especially with winter coming on. best, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 08:50:08 1999 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 08:45:57 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: dead battery To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal I just recently went through a bunch of head scratching concerning the Virago battery location and extraction. If you haven't already figured it out, you need to remove the cable from the visible terminal (neg?) and then just pull/slide the battery out. Go ahead and tug on it some as it may be pretty well seated in its plastic shroud. You can then remove the other cable (pos?). I believe that is a sealed battery, so it may be time to replaced. In either case, attach a positive lead connecter to it before replacing. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 8:29 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Dawn G.T. Gibson > Subject: Re: dead battery > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" > Took the seat and side covers off and the battery is totally > encased in plastic and wires and relays and all kinds of crap! I > can't get to the positive battery terminal nor do I have any idea > how to get the blasted thing out so I can replace it :( ... > If anyone has any suggestions on how to get to the battery without > dismantling the bike or how to get it started another way... > ********************** > > It's too late for your Saturday ride, but this might help anyway. > If your Virago is anything like my stepson's '94 Special, I > sympathize with you in trying to service the battery - you can't > even see parts of it until you remove the passenger seat and the > drivers seat. > > You CAN reach the postive wire coming off the battery, though, > where it goes to the starter relay, under the right side plastic > cover below the drivers seat. Clip the battery charger positive > lead there, and clip the battery charger ground lead anywhere you > can get a good ground (a piece of hardware bolted to the frame or > engine probably). This way you can charge the battery or jump > start the bike. > > If your bike is not like the one I'm thinking of, just look for a > big wire coming off the battery - if it goes to the frame, it's > the ground. If it goes to a small device with another big wire > attached to it then that's the starter relay and the big wire > from the battery is the positive one. > > If the battery died, though you probably need something else - > like adding water to the battery, a new battery, or a checkout of > the charging system. Especially with winter coming on. > > best, > Chris Norloff > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 09:14:26 1999 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:10:21 -0500 (EST) From: Tansey Reply-To: Tansey To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dead battery On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > I just recently went through a bunch of head scratching concerning the > Virago battery location and extraction. If you haven't already figured it > out, you need to remove the cable from the visible terminal (neg?) and then > just pull/slide the battery out. Go ahead and tug on it some as it may be > pretty well seated in its plastic shroud. You can then remove the other > cable (pos?). I didn't see what size Virago she was referencing. If it's a 750, yeah, it's a HUGE pain in the ass to get to. Have to pull it halfway out, etc. I had to jump my 535 yesterday, and I just take off the passenger and then driver's seat, and both pos and neg are easy to get at. Shannon (who found out yesterday that a 1995 Nissan Maxima makes a fine booster battery to jump a 535 from) From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 09:19:19 1999 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:19:08 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Totaled Bikes Cedric's position begs the question... What do they do with totaled bikes? I am sure insurance companies sell off bikes from time to time. Anyone know where these sales occur, and if they are open to people like me? Seems like the perfect way to pick up a track bike or a parts bike or whatever else. Ned From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 10:10:54 1999 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 08:41:35 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: CBR wanted I'm confused. Your nieghbor squished your ride, so HIS/HER insurance company should be picking up the tab for - bike damage, towing, storage, etc. When the geez took me out, his insurance coughed up more'n $450 for towing & storage, and 7K for bike damage. My insurance co didn't have to pay a dime. Bill Cedric Bernescut wrote: > Thinking of upgrading your ride or putting a deposit on the new RC51? If > you have a CBR600F2 you need to sell to make room, let me know. After a > neighbor's Ford used my parked CBR to decorate their front end, I became > rideless. I am looking for an older F2 with clean, stock bodywork. If > anyone knows of any good ones for sale, they can email me offlist. I am > currently tracking the Post and Cycle Trader online and the best of the > bikes got sold while my insurance settlement check languished in the mail, > anyone looking for complimentary things about Colonial Insurance from me > will have to look elsewhere. CPS is having its usual and customary cranium > lodged in rectal structure prices in place on used bikes, so I've had no > luck there. I was really hoping to make it to the Fall Ride, but alas > insurers and a crappy dealer conspired to keep me bikeless. CPS told me > that if I didn't turn over title to the insurance company and took > possession of my bike, I'd have to pay $375 in storage fees, in addition to > the estimate fee; I didn't know whether to hold my wallet, or my ankles. > Cedric > 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 10:10:44 1999 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Totaled Bikes Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:10:51 -0500 Organization: NCEA Here's the skinny as I understand it. The various insurance companies contract out with salvage yards to sell the bikes. The salvage yard picks up the bikes and takes them to their location. In my case the carrier was so fast, I agreed to total the bike around lunch time and when I went to the dealership that night after work, the bike was gone, along with my Kryptonite lock. Of course, CPS offered to sell me another for $42.99. The salvage yard then packages the bikes into "lots" and auctions them off as a package. Dealers bid on the lots, getting some nice bikes and some turkeys, this way the salvager isn't stuck with the less desirable ones. The place my bike went to is called Insurance Auto Auction in Fredericksburg. Their phone number is 540-373-7800, you could try calling them and seeing if they auction individual bikes. If you buy a black CBR and find a U-lock bolted to them frame, let me know, I'll sell you the key for cheap :) Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Ned Suesse [SMTP:nsuesse@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 9:19 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Totaled Bikes Cedric's position begs the question... What do they do with totaled bikes? I am sure insurance companies sell off bikes from time to time. Anyone know where these sales occur, and if they are open to people like me? Seems like the perfect way to pick up a track bike or a parts bike or whatever else. Ned From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 10:16:01 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: "Craig" Cc: Subject: Re: Fall Fling Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:11:03 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Just when I though I was getting better at wheelies (especially considering how easy they are on my bike), I have to go riding with Craig... I was fourth in line, and got up close witnessing of Craig, the other dude with the black and red RR, and the R1 with no stickers doing wheelies. I only did a couple little ones (off hills). After I saw Craig do a couple I had no desire to try and make myself look silly... REGARDLESS, it was a great ride (especially being up front and getting to carry pretty good cornering speed). Thanks again! Kirt 99 F4 -----Original Message----- From: Craig Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sunday, October 31, 1999 4:38 PM Subject: Re: Fall Fling >Yes, that would be me.... > >Glad you all had a nice time, I certainly did...hehehehe ;~) > >It is definately fun to gather and ride with such a nice group of people, >espically when things go smooth... > >Thanks to all those who attended.... > >Craig >99 900RR >85 VF500f > > >Todd Peer wrote: > >> That would be Craig Johnston, fearless wheely man on his CBR-RR. And he did >> do a great job keeping everyone together, considering the turnout (22 >> bikes?). >> >> Todd >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: RMeyer [mailto:rmeyer@XXXXXX] >> > >> > >> > Thanks to one and all, and especially the trip leader (who's name >> > I forgot, >> > I'm sorry). It was a great first ride with the group, a great ride in >> > general, on great roads, and I enjoyed meeting you all. Maybe after a few >> > more I'll be able to remember more names. Sorry I had to split >> > after lunch, >> > but duty called. >> > >> > Looking forward to many more... >> > >> > ITW, >> > Bob Meyer >> > From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 10:59:45 1999 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 11:01:15 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: my turn It's my turn to start a flame war! I went shooting at the NRA on Saturday. Havn't fired a rifle since summer camp as a kid. Couldn't help notice the similarities between the two activities. Guns and bikes are potentially lethal. The names for guns and bikes involve a fair amount of alphabet soup with some names being easier to remember, like Beretta or Ninja. Both use similar fluids, I noticed some of the lube being used on the guns had bike chains listed as one of the recommended applications on the label. Both sports involved some kind of certification to be able to do it alone, range master or "M" designation on a license. Both take practice! Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 11:05:57 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Rally in PA Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:59:55 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I was invited by Dorothy Hager (from my CBR list) to go on this ride next weekend. Here is the message....she said it was cool for me to invite everyone. :-) >>We will most likely go up to Ephrata (PA) next sunday. There is a bike >rally >>(about 300-400 bikes) there the first sunday of every month. We leave Bel >Air >>about 7:30-8am, get home about 2pm, depending on what route we pick home. >>Course if the weather looks too scary (lots of rain) we'll wimp out. You >>interested in that ride? If you wanna go, contact me, and I'll let Dorothy know. Right now it looks like 4 people so far...All are welcome. Kirt 99 F4 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 11:10:13 1999 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:14:55 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Fall Fling To: Craig Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Nice way to spend a gorgeous fall day. Thanks for putting the ride together, Craig. Sean Sullivan --- Craig wrote: > Yes, that would be me.... > > Glad you all had a nice time, I certainly > did...hehehehe ;~) > > It is definately fun to gather and ride with such a > nice group of people, > espically when things go smooth... > > Thanks to all those who attended.... > > Craig > 99 900RR > 85 VF500f > > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > That would be Craig Johnston, fearless wheely man > on his CBR-RR. And he did > > do a great job keeping everyone together, > considering the turnout (22 > > bikes?). > > > > Todd > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 15:49:02 1999 From: ThunderbirdCafe@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:48:15 EST Subject: unsub To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 16:28:28 1999 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 16:21:20 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Ned Suesse CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Totaled Bikes I would assume bikes travel the same path as totalled cars - sold to a boneyard for salvage value. An older bike can be "totaled" with very little damage, and then the owner can "buy" it back from the insurance co for salvage value. I did that with a car. Totalled at $1500 minus $100 ded minus $300 salvage value - got the car and $1100. Cost me less than $600 to return it to pristine shape. Years ago there use to be a bike boneyard near Clinton MD, but they crushed the weenie bikes and only kept the big ones for parts strippers. Bill. Ned Suesse wrote: > Cedric's position begs the question... What do they do with totaled > bikes? I am sure insurance companies sell off bikes from time to > time. Anyone know where these sales occur, and if they are open to > people like me? > > Seems like the perfect way to pick up a track bike or a parts bike or > whatever else. > > Ned From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 17:49:09 1999 From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'bernescut@XXXXXX'" Subject: take no prisoners (was RE: parts bike) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:51:05 -0500 Since the guy hit and run you, consider letting the insurance company know that you have no interest in being jerked around. Let them feel your pain and suffering. When I was hit from behind at a stop light, I decided that I wanted people jumping through hoops for me--can you say attorney. My HMO at that time was most lax, but I got very aggressive care after I let the medical community know about my attorney. However, if you are healing well and getting good care, and if you feel you are getting fair money for you bike, then you can resolve it much faster on you own. The insurance worms tried to drag it out past 2 years to see if I was dumb enough to miss out on the statute of limitations. In short, take no prisoners, Mike 82 XJ750RJ -----Original Message----- From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 9:15 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: parts bike I am curious to find out if anyone would be interested in buying a 1987 CBR600F as a project/parts bike. It has 20K miles and has been a daily commuter for me for the past year. Recently it was knocked over by a hit and run driver and suffered bodywork damage. The bike is still rideable and has new tires, chain and sprockets. I recently had the fork seals replaced and the bike runs great. The police caught the person who hit it and their insurance company is totaling the bike out (Another successful CPS estimate) Since the insurance company for the miscreant who hit my bike has made two offers based on whether I keep or give up the bike, I'm interested in finding out if anyone is interested in buying the bike or whether I should let them have it. You can email me offlist to save bandwidth. Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up." From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 18:03:55 1999 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: take no prisoners (was RE: parts bike) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:04:03 -0500 Organization: NCEA Since I only suffered property damage it didn't seem worth it to hire an attorney, although I have had to threaten them with it to get their attention. I'm glad your situation worked out. Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jay [SMTP:mjay@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 5:51 PM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'bernescut@XXXXXX' Subject: take no prisoners (was RE: parts bike) Since the guy hit and run you, consider letting the insurance company know that you have no interest in being jerked around. Let them feel your pain and suffering. When I was hit from behind at a stop light, I decided that I wanted people jumping through hoops for me--can you say attorney. My HMO at that time was most lax, but I got very aggressive care after I let the medical community know about my attorney. However, if you are healing well and getting good care, and if you feel you are getting fair money for you bike, then you can resolve it much faster on you own. The insurance worms tried to drag it out past 2 years to see if I was dumb enough to miss out on the statute of limitations. In short, take no prisoners, Mike 82 XJ750RJ -----Original Message----- From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 9:15 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: parts bike From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 18:31:26 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: take no prisoners (was RE: parts bike) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 02:33:29 GMT What insurance companies were these? =20 On Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:04:03 -0500, you wrote: |>Since I only suffered property damage it didn't seem worth it to hire = an=20 |>attorney, although I have had to threaten them with it to get their=20 |>attention. I'm glad your situation worked out. |>Cedric |>1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP |>AMA 663626 |>Annandale, VA |>-----Original Message----- |>From: Michael Jay [SMTP:mjay@XXXXXX] |>Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 5:51 PM |>To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'bernescut@XXXXXX' |>Subject: take no prisoners (was RE: parts bike) |> |>Since the guy hit and run you, consider letting the insurance company |>know that you have no interest in being jerked around. |> |>Let them feel your pain and suffering. |> |>When I was hit from behind at a stop light, I decided that I wanted |>people jumping through hoops for me--can you say attorney. |> |>My HMO at that time was most lax, but I got very aggressive care |>after I let the medical community know about my attorney. |> |>However, if you are healing well and getting good care, and if you feel |>you are getting fair money for you bike, then you can resolve it much |>faster on you own. The insurance worms tried to drag it out past 2 = years |>to see if I was dumb enough to miss out on the statute of limitations. |> |>In short, take no prisoners, |>Mike |>82 XJ750RJ |> |> |>-----Original Message----- |>From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] |>Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 9:15 AM |>To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' |>Subject: parts bike |> |> From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 08:22:51 1999 X-Originating-IP: [209.8.171.101] From: "Karl Mueller" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Insurance.. Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 08:22:17 EST Well, it finally happened... I got dropped from USAA after an accident that wasn't my fault. (I also have 3 speeding tickets). At first I was _pissed_ about it, but then I figure, sure, they gotta make money, they're a business, etc. etc. But then I call progressive, they give me a competative quote ($386/6 months on my dad's Toyota and $300/year on my bike, sepearately), so I went with them for just my motorcycle. So I think I'm gonna call up USAA and tell them that they're never gonna get my business again for auto insurance. Any comments? --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 08:40:41 1999 From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 08:38:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Insurance.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Karl, Being that I am a USAA member, I'm interested in hearing more about this. Did you have a clean record (how current were the 3 speeding tix)? Was this your first claim, etc. In the past, I have been very pleased with USAA, but since moving to Baltimore, their rates are not as low as they were in DC (read: big increase), however, I do live downtown. Thanks, --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Karl Mueller Date: 11/02/99 01:22:17 PM GMT Subject: Insurance.. Well, it finally happened... I got dropped from USAA after an accident that wasn't my fault. (I also have 3 speeding tickets). At first I was _pissed_ about it, but then I figure, sure, they gotta make money, they're a business, etc. etc. But then I call progressive, they give me a competative quote ($386/6 months on my dad's Toyota and $300/year on my bike, sepearately), so I went with them for just my motorcycle. So I think I'm gonna call up USAA and tell them that they're never gonna get my business again for auto insurance. Any comments? --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 08:49:07 1999 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 08:38:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Insurance.. At 08:22 AM 11/2/99 EST, you wrote: >Well, it finally happened... I got dropped from USAA I'm suprised they dropped you. I got 3 tickets in a row about five years ago (no accident) and they (USAA) just raised my rates. Of course I've got two cars, three bikes, my house, and some financial stuff with them, so maybe getting ride of me was a little harder. I found that even their "raised" rates were lower than what progressive, gieco & allstate quoted me when I shopped around. I guess its the package deal thing. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 09:24:46 1999 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 09:17:41 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Karl Mueller CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance.. Did USAA have to fork out bucks on the accident? Insurance cos don't care who's fault it is - they kep track of losses. If they pay - you get a check mark on the bad side of the ledger. With 3 speeding tickets you can't really gripe. You're lucky you still have a permit. Bill Karl Mueller wrote: > Well, it finally happened... I got dropped from USAA after an accident that > wasn't my fault. (I also have 3 speeding tickets). At first I was _pissed_ > about it, but then I figure, sure, they gotta make money, they're a > business, etc. etc. But then I call progressive, they give me a competative > quote ($386/6 months on my dad's Toyota and $300/year on my bike, > sepearately), so I went with them for just my motorcycle. So I think I'm > gonna call up USAA and tell them that they're never gonna get my business > again for auto insurance. > > Any comments? > > --Karl Mueller > 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 > 99 Aprilia RS50 > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 09:37:13 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 09:37:06 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Seeking Reston Rider.... A lister was behind me this morning turning from South Lakes on to Sunrise Valley. I know he was on the ride this weekend (blue sport touring bike). I am in my cage today....just wondering if you work nearby? I go on lunchtime rides pretty much every day..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. Echelon: revolution, manifesto, revolt, etc. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 10:48:22 1999 From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:47:28 EST Subject: USAA (was insurance) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 11/2/1999 8:27:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, k_d_mueller@XXXXXX writes: << Well, it finally happened... I got dropped from USAA after an accident that wasn't my fault. (I also have 3 speeding tickets). >> Whoaa...USAA dropped you after an accident that wasn't your fault?!? Last year USAA told me that they only care about liability after an accident and that they don't raise rates/drop people due to an accident that's not their fault. Sounds like those tickets may have been the real issue and they were waiting for an excuse... -matt From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 11:12:27 1999 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:12:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: totalled bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Nope, you have to have a dealer license to attend the auctions... not hard to get one though from what I understand... The guy I bought my race bike from gets a lot of his bikes and parts from the auctions.. some are totalled, some are theft recovery, while others are just police auction or whatever...bottom line is he usually has some pretty decent bikes at pretty good prices (he had a duc 851 for what I considered very reasonable...although he kinda wants to keep it for his own :)). If someone is interested in his name and number, drop me a note and I'll forward it to ya... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 11:46:58 1999 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 11:36:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Insurance theory At 09:18 AM 11/2/99 -0500, you wrote: >Steve, > >They won't cover you for racing, will they? > >--chris There is ~no~ insurance that will address damages to racing equipment during a race. Racing is a classic insurance 101 "assumption of risk" activity. Not sure if this is your question. You can get a policy that will cover it for theft or damage at your house, just not while racing. Also, if you have a liability umbrella policy, it most likely does not address liability arising out of closed course competition. Even some health insurance policies (very few & out dated) deny coverage for injuries resulting from participation amateur racing events. My HMO does not. Ask yours. If they do not cover these injuries, get another policy, or DO NOT RACE. Almost all health insurance policies will deny for "professional" racers. "Professional" racers are the types that only race & do not have a day job. You have to buy a endorsement for this type of coverage as the odds of getting hurt are 100%. More risk, pay more money. (Soapbox mode on, non-directed) This is, of course, the way it should be. Risk taking has lots of pluses & lots of minuses. Proceed at your own peril. Racing cost a lot of money, if I have to pay more for the health insurance to mitigate my potential losses, so be it. If I have to pay more money for my street bike or car insurance because of getting speeding tickets, so be it. Remember, I do not have to get those speeding tickets. You don't want high insurance premiums, don't get tickets, go racing instead to get your speed fix. While it can be argued that it is not fair the increasing the rates of one group of higher loss drivers (speeders) while not increasing the rates of another (say old people), remember that life is not fair. Actuaries that do the statistical number crunching to determine rates are not interested in what is fair, they are interested in what is marketable. Flat rate (one rate for all) policies are not marketable. Speaking as someone who works within the insurance industry I know for a fact the people who review policies for renewal are idiots. They get paid about $7 per hour to crank thru computer screens. Guess what, they make mistakes, lots of them. If you feel you were not at fault for a accident, and they list loss history as a reason for non-renewal, call underwriting & ask about it. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Oh, and the oft stated theory that insurance companies have some agenda to behavior bust risk takers is bullshit. It is all marketing hype. When Gieco buys radar guns for the police to catch speeders it is purely to marketing appeal to the perfered market. On of the ~first~ things you learn in insurance is that there is no such thing as a bad risk, just a bad rate. Now a days just about every insurance company has a non standard (high risk) product, because it is a growing & competitive market. Some companies do not. They are marketing a particular customer segment. If you hop on the old ZXRGSRTLRRZ 10,000 RRRR and wind it up to 160 on the beltway, getting a bunch of tickets, don't be suprised when they ask you to take you business elsewhere when they find out you are not their type of customer. You do not go to McDonalds to buy high quality food with a waiter and it would be stuipd to go to a fine french restraunt & order a cheese burger & fries to go. (soap box mode off, I feel better) Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 11:57:23 1999 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 11:55:13 -0500 From: "Tom Trask" To: , Subject: RE: Fall Fling Content-Disposition: inline I'd too....like to take a moment to thank Craig J. for taking the lead on = organizing the "Fall Fling". He worked diligently on planning the ride = route and ensuring everyone enjoyed themselves. It's not easy to keep a = group that size together especially considering the variety of rides, = riders and roads! Anyone get a head count? From the expressions on = everyone's faces at the last stop (WV overlook), I think it was a success! = Great company, roads and weather! Thanks again to Craig and everyone who = joined us. Tommy T. 98 R1 =20 >>> Todd Peer 10/31/99 10:46AM >>> That would be Craig Johnston, fearless wheely man on his CBR-RR. And he = did do a great job keeping everyone together, considering the turnout (22 bikes?). There's a lot of neat machinery amongst us. No less than 2 Yamaha GTS' showed, a pristine ST4 Duc and various other sportbikes. What was definitely missing from this ride where more cruisers. I think there was one older Magna (Shadow?) and a VMax (though cruiser probably isn't the = best description for it:) Thanks again Craig, Zbig, and Tom T for putting it together and doing the pre-rides. It's not easy, I know. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: RMeyer [mailto:rmeyer@XXXXXX]=20 > Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 8:56 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 > Subject: Fall Fling > > > Thanks to one and all, and especially the trip leader (who's name > I forgot, > I'm sorry). It was a great first ride with the group, a great ride in > general, on great roads, and I enjoyed meeting you all. Maybe after a = few > more I'll be able to remember more names. Sorry I had to split > after lunch, > but duty called. > > Looking forward to many more... > > ITW, > Bob Meyer > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because > it's safer to > pick on rich women than biker gangs. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 12:09:54 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: "Tom Trask" , , Subject: Re: Fall Fling Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:05:39 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I think the total was 22 people. I'm pissed that I didn't stay for the last half of the ride. Damn obligations... :-) Kirt 99 F4 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Trask To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 12:06 PM Subject: RE: Fall Fling I'd too....like to take a moment to thank Craig J. for taking the lead on organizing the "Fall Fling". He worked diligently on planning the ride route and ensuring everyone enjoyed themselves. It's not easy to keep a group that size together especially considering the variety of rides, riders and roads! Anyone get a head count? From the expressions on everyone's faces at the last stop (WV overlook), I think it was a success! Great company, roads and weather! Thanks again to Craig and everyone who joined us. Tommy T. 98 R1 >>> Todd Peer 10/31/99 10:46AM >>> That would be Craig Johnston, fearless wheely man on his CBR-RR. And he did do a great job keeping everyone together, considering the turnout (22 bikes?). There's a lot of neat machinery amongst us. No less than 2 Yamaha GTS' showed, a pristine ST4 Duc and various other sportbikes. What was definitely missing from this ride where more cruisers. I think there was one older Magna (Shadow?) and a VMax (though cruiser probably isn't the best description for it:) Thanks again Craig, Zbig, and Tom T for putting it together and doing the pre-rides. It's not easy, I know. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: RMeyer [mailto:rmeyer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 8:56 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Fall Fling > > > Thanks to one and all, and especially the trip leader (who's name > I forgot, > I'm sorry). It was a great first ride with the group, a great ride in > general, on great roads, and I enjoyed meeting you all. Maybe after a few > more I'll be able to remember more names. Sorry I had to split > after lunch, > but duty called. > > Looking forward to many more... > > ITW, > Bob Meyer > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > ============================================= > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because > it's safer to > pick on rich women than biker gangs. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 13:18:10 1999 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Fall Fling Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:17:35 -0500 Jon Schumer said, "Thanks for leading the nice and relaxing ride. The scenery was great and the 'new to me' roads around Fredneck was excellent. I'll have to try and find some of those beauties again. Would be even better at 'mofo' pace. ;-P" Darn, I missed the ride (too many gotta dews) but: For beauty, Rt. 17 from Brunswick, MD to Catoctin Mt. Park is nice for a rubbernecking pace. (Then turn east on 77 up though the park, left at second intersection, then right. That's 491 headed for Penn Mar- a really nifty view) Side roads over South Mountain (Gapland, Reno Monument, Mt. Tabor) are nice tho, no Deals Gap. North of I 70, between Rt. 15 and the Monocacy are lots of "interesting" roads and there's not much traffic. Three covered bridges; get the Frederick County tourist brochure at a shop or: http://www.backroadingamerica.com/backroading4/interstate4.html Stop at Sam's Club (south side of Frederick, exit 31, across from the Sheetz) pick up a MD Delorme Map for $9.99. Bulkier that the AAA "Nation's Capital & Surroundings" but way misleading. For 'mofo' pace, some claim "new design road" off of Rt. 28 is reasonable for a top end try. Then Trego Mt. Road between South Mountain and the Potomac into Sandy Hook can be fun at a rapid pace, cough, or so I've heard. Carl in Bethesda. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 15:46:55 1999 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:45:59 -0500 Subject: Calling all brake gurus.... Is there anyone on the list that is real knowledgeable on sportbike brake replacement/ cleaning / upgrading? I'm looking to rework my braking system and have some questions. Please reply off list Thanks, -John N 88 FZR 400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 17:39:45 1999 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:45:37 -0500 From: Craig X-Accept-Language: en CC: "'DCCy'" Subject: Re: Fall Fling No Carl you got something confused here. the "MoFo" pace is not set on those long boring straight streches, it is done in the tight, technical, twisties....hehehe...which has nothing to do with top speed.. ;~) not that we are opposed to running it on up in the straights every once in a while.. Craig 99 900RR 85 VF500f http://www.angelfire.com/va/wsdymfg "Custer, Carl" wrote: > For 'mofo' pace, some claim "new design road" off of Rt. 28 is reasonable > for a top end try. > Carl in Bethesda. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 17:54:59 1999 X-Originating-IP: [209.122.212.222] From: "Karl Mueller" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: USAA (was insurance)--long Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:54:24 EST "When a cop asks you if you know how fast you were going when he pulled you over, the incorrect response is 'Of course I do you f**king moron!'" -- a wise teacher of mine >Whoaa...USAA dropped you after an accident that wasn't your fault?!? Last >year USAA told me that they only care about liability after an accident and >that they don't raise rates/drop people due to an accident that's not their >fault. Well, I spoke with the underwriter who made the decision to drop me, and she said that the accidents were part of "a trend" that made me look like a big liability to them. > >Sounds like those tickets may have been the real issue and they were >waiting >for an excuse... Yah, probably, but lemmie qualify my tickets to all you old fogies who think i'm just some damn kid who drives too fast :) Ticket 1: 11pm, coming home from work on the HOV lanes, not another car on the road for miles, state trooper stops me for going 74 in a 55, sounds like a lot, but come on, it's I-95. Ticket 2: 9am, coming up 495 into MD, OK, this one was my fault, I shouldn't have been in the left lane, then the cop on the side of the road wouldn't have been able to point at me.. damn VASCAR. Ticket 3: 3am, Duke street, alexandria. Ok, at 3am, just after getting off of the highway, do YOU do 35 on duke? My point is that I'm really not a bad driver, I just don't have good luck or excuses to give to cops. USAA dropping me for this is just wrong, so since it's not _their_ fault that i'm unlucky, it's not _my_ fault that they'll never get my business again. Thanks for letting me ramble :) --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 19:07:16 1999 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 19:00:13 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Karl Mueller CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: USAA (was insurance)--long Well, okay, but ... Unlucky? If the 3 tickets were within a year or two, than I'd say more like careless. Maybe you need to roll off the throttle a bit. A big HINT: I-95 "...not another car on the road ..." One can easily slide by at 74 or even faster IF they're running with the flow of traffic. If you're the only target out there, you're gonna get busted. Ah, 3 AM on Duke Street. Boy-o-boy, I bet the traffic wuz really thick then. Bill Karl Mueller wrote: > "When a cop asks you if you know how fast you were going when he pulled you > over, the incorrect response is 'Of course I do you f**king moron!'" -- a > wise teacher of mine > > >Whoaa...USAA dropped you after an accident that wasn't your fault?!? Last > >year USAA told me that they only care about liability after an accident and > >that they don't raise rates/drop people due to an accident that's not their > >fault. > > Well, I spoke with the underwriter who made the decision to drop me, and she > said that the accidents were part of "a trend" that made me look like a big > liability to them. > > > > >Sounds like those tickets may have been the real issue and they were > >waiting > >for an excuse... > > Yah, probably, but lemmie qualify my tickets to all you old fogies who think > i'm just some damn kid who drives too fast :) > > Ticket 1: 11pm, coming home from work on the HOV lanes, not another car on > the road for miles, state trooper stops me for going 74 in a 55, sounds like > a lot, but come on, it's I-95. > > Ticket 2: 9am, coming up 495 into MD, OK, this one was my fault, I shouldn't > have been in the left lane, then the cop on the side of the road wouldn't > have been able to point at me.. damn VASCAR. > > Ticket 3: 3am, Duke street, alexandria. Ok, at 3am, just after getting off > of the highway, do YOU do 35 on duke? > > My point is that I'm really not a bad driver, I just don't have good luck or > excuses to give to cops. USAA dropping me for this is just wrong, so since > it's not _their_ fault that i'm unlucky, it's not _my_ fault that they'll > never get my business again. > > Thanks for letting me ramble :) > > --Karl Mueller > 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 > 99 Aprilia RS50 > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 19:41:25 1999 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 19:34:23 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Need a bike ? I have one in my carport. The Boss sez it has to go. The owner sez he wants to sell it. 1981 Honda CB750F (not sure about the F) Super Sport. 38K. SuperTrapp 4-1 pipes. Rear tire looks fresh, front is okay. The bike runs and sounded good to me. Comes with a new clutch rebuild kit not installed. Owner sez $500. Location Annandale VA near Bradock and Backlick. Contact me off-list or give me a jingle at --- (703) 256-3115 eve (703) 624-9648 cell w/voicemail Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 20:16:23 1999 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:16:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: insurance... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Carl, What reason did they give for dropping you? the tickets?? I don't think they *can* drop you for an accident that isn't caused by you....same as they aren't supposed to raise your rates for comprehensive claims.... oh well... all insurance companies suck.. just some worse than others... Collin (who agrees with Todd that insurance is government backed extortion!! hehe) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 21:34:24 1999 X-Originating-IP: [208.58.192.60] From: "Karl Mueller" To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: USAA (was insurance)--long Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 21:33:47 EST Bill, Thanks for your comments, but just for argument's sake: >Well, okay, but ... Unlucky? If the 3 tickets were within a year or two, >than >I'd say more like careless. Maybe you need to roll off the throttle a bit. > Over the last 3 years, 2 in 97 (5 months or so apart) and 1 in 99. Oddly enough, the first 2 were in a ford festiva, and the last was in a geo metro, go figure. >A big HINT: I-95 "...not another car on the road ..." One can easily slide >by at >74 or even faster IF they're running with the flow of traffic. If you're >the >only target out there, you're gonna get busted. My point is that since there were no cars out there, what good do restrictive speed limits do? How does "going with the flow of traffic" make speeding ok? >Ah, 3 AM on Duke Street. >Boy-o-boy, I bet the traffic wuz really thick then. > --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 21:41:12 1999 From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Car problem - Non-moto Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:41:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 My car is acting like my electrically challenged bike. Tonight, the battery light came on when I left the grocery store. It went off when I kept the revs over 4k (redlines at 7k). So, is my alternator toast or what? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (64K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle 89 Ford SHO 120K miles http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 21:43:35 1999 X-Originating-IP: [208.58.192.60] From: "Karl Mueller" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance... Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 21:42:59 EST Collin, I tend to agree with you about not being able to hold the accidents against me. I talked with the underwriter who made the decision, she mentioned that it's part of "a trend" that makes me a high risk to insure. I gave her quite an earfull about this. In the end, I gave up, they're a business, they don't care about little people, no longer my problem. Unfortunately, it turns out that USAA only insures a household as a whole, so they won't allow me to have another company as an insurer. Now _this_ sounds fishy to me. Unfortunately my father is too honest to just tell them that I moved out, so tomorrow I'll give USAA another earfull. >Carl, >What reason did they give for dropping you? the tickets?? I don't think >they *can* drop you for an accident that isn't caused by you....same as >they aren't supposed to raise your rates for comprehensive claims.... >oh well... all insurance companies suck.. just some worse than >others... > >Collin >(who agrees with Todd that insurance is government backed extortion!! >hehe) --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 22:09:06 1999 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:02:02 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Karl Mueller CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: USAA (was insurance)--long Okay. I believe points last for 5 years or so, and insurance companys seem to favor a five year history. With 3 tickets you're pushing the limit. A barren road has no bearing on the law. It just makes tagging the lone speeder easier. Going with the flow is a no call. When traffic is heavy the law looks for the oddball - the dude with mirrored sunglasses who's weaving lanes and blowing by the pack-o-speeders at warp three. Speeding with the flow of speeders isn't legally OK, it's just logistically OK. One cop can't arrest or even stop a hundred cars. He/she will pick out the leader of the mess and tag them. Bill Karl Mueller wrote: > Bill, > > Thanks for your comments, but just for argument's sake: > > >Well, okay, but ... Unlucky? If the 3 tickets were within a year or two, > >than > >I'd say more like careless. Maybe you need to roll off the throttle a bit. > > > > Over the last 3 years, 2 in 97 (5 months or so apart) and 1 in 99. Oddly > enough, the first 2 were in a ford festiva, and the last was in a geo metro, > go figure. > > >A big HINT: I-95 "...not another car on the road ..." One can easily slide > >by at > >74 or even faster IF they're running with the flow of traffic. If you're > >the > >only target out there, you're gonna get busted. > > My point is that since there were no cars out there, what good do > restrictive speed limits do? How does "going with the flow of traffic" make > speeding ok? > > >Ah, 3 AM on Duke Street. > >Boy-o-boy, I bet the traffic wuz really thick then. > > > > --Karl Mueller > 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 > 99 Aprilia RS50 > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 22:13:59 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:13:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Weather Glad I didn't ride in today. Reston saw a flurry of pine needles after the gusty winds. Most cars in my parking lot looked like sheep. Needles were like ice for the cage ride home. Tomorrow's forecast: Wednesday...partly cloudy...windy and much cooler...with a few sprinkles. Temperatures steady...or slowly falling through the 40s. Gusty west winds 20 to 30 mph. It is the last line that will have me driving instead of riding tomorrow.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 22:18:10 1999 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:11:05 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Karl Mueller CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance... More strange insurance co policys. When my kid turned 16 I oned a Z-28 Camaro. I was paying like $600/yr. It jumped to $1600/yr !!! I pointed out that the kid had his on car, a typical beater-mobile 6 cyl Baracuda and wasn't going to be driving the Z. Sorry, but the insurance compnay rates the teenie driver on highest risk car. I wuz so pissed I put the word out that the Z wuz now the official nieghborhood saturday nite date-mobile. My kid drove it, and so did a few other lads. I never had to wash it. Those frisky boys damn near polished the paint off it. Bill Karl Mueller wrote: > Collin, > I tend to agree with you about not being able to hold the accidents against > me. I talked with the underwriter who made the decision, she mentioned that > it's part of "a trend" that makes me a high risk to insure. I gave her > quite an earfull about this. In the end, I gave up, they're a business, they > don't care about little people, no longer my problem. > > Unfortunately, it turns out that USAA only insures a household as a whole, > so they won't allow me to have another company as an insurer. Now _this_ > sounds fishy to me. Unfortunately my father is too honest to just tell them > that I moved out, so tomorrow I'll give USAA another earfull. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 23:43:46 1999 X-Sender: culimerc@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 23:51:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: James Hoofnagle Subject: Fall Fling Am I to late to say "thanks" to Craig for his monumental organizational effort on the Fall Fling. I thought there was as many as 25 bright shiney sport bikes. Has anybody who was taking pictures posted them yet? I was riding around tenth (+\-) and it was great to see so many good, solid riders up front and endless bikes in the rear view. I got a chance to meet the good, solid, speed limit obeying citizens of this list, that I've read of so many times. Thanks again Craig! Who are these Mo-Fo guys anyway? Oh and if you get a chance check out rt. 734 just west of Aldie Va. James E-TKT From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 00:53:10 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fall Fling Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:55:10 GMT Wow that sounds like soo much fun. Count me in on the next one. On Tue, 02 Nov 1999 23:51:58 -0500, you wrote: |>Am I to late to say "thanks" to Craig for his monumental organizational |>effort on the Fall Fling. I thought there was as many as 25 bright = shiney |>sport bikes. Has anybody who was taking pictures posted them yet? I = was |>riding around tenth (+\-) and it was great to see so many good, solid |>riders up front and endless bikes in the rear view. I got a chance to = meet |>the good, solid, speed limit obeying citizens of this list, that I've = read |>of so many times. Thanks again Craig! |>Who are these Mo-Fo guys anyway? Oh and if you get a chance check out = rt. |>734 just west of Aldie Va. |> |>James=20 |>E-TKT From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 00:54:04 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: jnewman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Calling all brake gurus.... Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:56:06 GMT And I might need some brake work too, for a rear brake on a 95 zx6r.=20 So maybe it might be as well if you posted publicly too. Daniel On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:45:59 -0500, you wrote: |> |> |>Is there anyone on the list that is real knowledgeable on=20 |>sportbike brake replacement/ cleaning / upgrading? |> |>I'm looking to rework my braking system and have some=20 |>questions. =20 |> |>Please reply off list |> |>Thanks,=20 |> |>-John N |>88 FZR 400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 00:56:14 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "LindaT" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: Car problem - Non-moto Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:58:16 GMT Non neccesarily. What kind of car do you have? You could have a bad contact somewhere in the charging system, or it could be a loose belt, or just a fluke.=20 Daniel On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:41:07 -0500, you wrote: |>My car is acting like my electrically challenged bike. Tonight, the |>battery light came on when I left the grocery store. It went off when = I |>kept the revs over 4k (redlines at 7k). |> |>So, is my alternator toast or what? |> |>LindaT. |>95 F3 Purple Haze (64K miles and counting...) |>00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) |>86 KLR250 Klarabelle |>89 Ford SHO 120K miles |>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 00:58:34 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weather Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:00:37 GMT I was a bit dissapointed with today's weather, but luckily the streets dried up and I took my bike for a spin tonight. That great guy we all know as leon was kind enough to let me borrow a spare electric vest. I had a lot of fun, I had to speed up too cool down. I felt like I was riding in the summer. FUN! Daniel On Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:13:21 -0500, you wrote: |>Glad I didn't ride in today. Reston saw a flurry of pine needles after= the=20 |>gusty winds. Most cars in my parking lot looked like sheep. Needles = were=20 |>like ice for the cage ride home. Tomorrow's forecast: |> |>Wednesday...partly cloudy...windy and much |>cooler...with a few sprinkles. Temperatures |>steady...or slowly falling through the 40s. Gusty |>west winds 20 to 30 mph. |> |>It is the last line that will have me driving instead of riding = tomorrow.... |> |>_____________________________________ |> Mike Troutman |> mike@XXXXXX |> http://www.troutman.org/vfr |> |> '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 00:59:25 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weather Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:01:30 GMT Oh and I meant to say I hope the weather turns out a little nicer on the weekend than is predicted. It's not supposed to be too bad, but then it seems like weekend afternoons like to get warm, which is wonderful! On Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:13:21 -0500, you wrote: |>Glad I didn't ride in today. Reston saw a flurry of pine needles after= the=20 |>gusty winds. Most cars in my parking lot looked like sheep. Needles = were=20 |>like ice for the cage ride home. Tomorrow's forecast: |> |>Wednesday...partly cloudy...windy and much |>cooler...with a few sprinkles. Temperatures |>steady...or slowly falling through the 40s. Gusty |>west winds 20 to 30 mph. |> |>It is the last line that will have me driving instead of riding = tomorrow.... |> |>_____________________________________ |> Mike Troutman |> mike@XXXXXX |> http://www.troutman.org/vfr |> |> '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 01:03:15 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Karl Mueller" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: USAA (was insurance)--long Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:05:13 GMT Well you ride an ex500 you're no squid! I ride my ex250 the same way, it's just so much fun! I guess I'm pretty lucky.. but I do plan on pleading with the cop when I get pulled over "PLEASE PLEASE don't give me a ticket I havne't had one in 3 years and my insurance rate will go up A lot!" I hear stuff like that works, but I hope i'm never in a position to try it! Daniel On Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:54:24 EST, you wrote: |>"When a cop asks you if you know how fast you were going when he pulled= you=20 |>over, the incorrect response is 'Of course I do you f**king moron!'" --= a=20 |>wise teacher of mine |> |> |>>Whoaa...USAA dropped you after an accident that wasn't your fault?!? = Last |>>year USAA told me that they only care about liability after an = accident and |>>that they don't raise rates/drop people due to an accident that's not = their |>>fault. |> |>Well, I spoke with the underwriter who made the decision to drop me, = and she=20 |>said that the accidents were part of "a trend" that made me look like a= big=20 |>liability to them. |> |>> |>>Sounds like those tickets may have been the real issue and they were=20 |>>waiting |>>for an excuse... |> |>Yah, probably, but lemmie qualify my tickets to all you old fogies who = think=20 |>i'm just some damn kid who drives too fast :) |> |>Ticket 1: 11pm, coming home from work on the HOV lanes, not another car= on=20 |>the road for miles, state trooper stops me for going 74 in a 55, sounds= like=20 |>a lot, but come on, it's I-95. |> |>Ticket 2: 9am, coming up 495 into MD, OK, this one was my fault, I = shouldn't=20 |>have been in the left lane, then the cop on the side of the road = wouldn't=20 |>have been able to point at me.. damn VASCAR. |> |>Ticket 3: 3am, Duke street, alexandria. Ok, at 3am, just after getting = off=20 |>of the highway, do YOU do 35 on duke? |> |>My point is that I'm really not a bad driver, I just don't have good = luck or=20 |>excuses to give to cops. USAA dropping me for this is just wrong, so = since=20 |>it's not _their_ fault that i'm unlucky, it's not _my_ fault that = they'll=20 |>never get my business again. |> |>Thanks for letting me ramble :) |> |>--Karl Mueller |>89/95 Kawasaki EX500 |>99 Aprilia RS50 |> |>______________________________________________________ |>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 01:08:07 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance... Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:10:08 GMT On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:16:19 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |>Carl, |>What reason did they give for dropping you? the tickets?? I don't think |>they *can* drop you for an accident that isn't caused by you....same as |>they aren't supposed to raise your rates for comprehensive claims.... |>oh well... all insurance companies suck.. just some worse than |>others... |> |>Collin |>(who agrees with Todd that insurance is government backed extortion!! |>hehe) I agree with that too.=20 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 01:10:29 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance... Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:12:23 GMT What the h@#@l scamming insurance company was this? On Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:11:05 -0500, you wrote: |>More strange insurance co policys. When my kid turned 16 I oned a Z-28 = Camaro. I |>was paying like $600/yr. It jumped to $1600/yr !!! I pointed out that = the kid |>had his on car, a typical beater-mobile 6 cyl Baracuda and wasn't going= to be |>driving the Z. Sorry, but the insurance compnay rates the teenie driver= on |>highest risk car. |> |>I wuz so pissed I put the word out that the Z wuz now the official = nieghborhood |>saturday nite date-mobile. My kid drove it, and so did a few other = lads. I never |>had to wash it. Those frisky boys damn near polished the paint off it. |> |>Bill |> |> |> |>Karl Mueller wrote: |> |>> Collin, |>> I tend to agree with you about not being able to hold the accidents = against |>> me. I talked with the underwriter who made the decision, she = mentioned that |>> it's part of "a trend" that makes me a high risk to insure. I gave = her |>> quite an earfull about this. In the end, I gave up, they're a = business, they |>> don't care about little people, no longer my problem. |>> |>> Unfortunately, it turns out that USAA only insures a household as a = whole, |>> so they won't allow me to have another company as an insurer. Now = _this_ |>> sounds fishy to me. Unfortunately my father is too honest to just = tell them |>> that I moved out, so tomorrow I'll give USAA another earfull. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 07:17:57 1999 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 07:10:47 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: LindaT CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Car problem - Non-moto First, the cheapest fix and most common failues: A) the alternator drive belt. Check the tension and condition. A glazed inner surface indicates slippage and will slip even if he tension is set right. B) battery termninals. Remove cables and clean those puppies, cable connectors also. If that don't work. You'll need instrument sto check the altenator output and a fixit manual for the proper prcedure per your vehicle. Bill LindaT wrote: > My car is acting like my electrically challenged bike. Tonight, the > battery light came on when I left the grocery store. It went off when I > kept the revs over 4k (redlines at 7k). > > So, is my alternator toast or what? > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (64K miles and counting...) > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) > 86 KLR250 Klarabelle > 89 Ford SHO 120K miles > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 07:27:15 1999 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:26:35 EST Subject: Re: Weather To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I thought the worst was the falling branches. Rear stepped out a couple of times but otherwise OK Bob From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 07:39:53 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: DCC Cc: jnewman@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Calling all brake gurus.... Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:38:17 -0500 If you ask your specific question(s) to the list, there is a chance that we all could learn something. That's what a good motorcycle list is for. My .02 Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA John wrote... >Is there anyone on the list that is real knowledgeable on >sportbike brake replacement/ cleaning / upgrading? > >I'm looking to rework my braking system and have some >questions. > >Please reply off list From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 08:14:27 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Bill Huson Cc: LindaT , DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Car problem - Non-moto Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 16:16:26 GMT On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 07:10:47 -0500, you wrote: |>First, the cheapest fix and most common failues: A) the alternator = drive |>belt. Check the tension and condition. A glazed inner surface indicates |>slippage and will slip even if he tension is set right. B) battery |>termninals. Remove cables and clean those puppies, cable connectors = also. Also check all the plugs and connections on the alternator itself. It's not unheard of for a plug to come out. |>If that don't work. You'll need instrument sto check the altenator = output |>and a fixit manual for the proper prcedure per your vehicle. |> |>Bill |> |>LindaT wrote: |> |>> My car is acting like my electrically challenged bike. Tonight, the |>> battery light came on when I left the grocery store. It went off = when I |>> kept the revs over 4k (redlines at 7k). |>> |>> So, is my alternator toast or what? |>> |>> LindaT. |>> 95 F3 Purple Haze (64K miles and counting...) |>> 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) |>> 86 KLR250 Klarabelle |>> 89 Ford SHO 120K miles |>> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 08:16:05 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: McKeithen@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weather Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 16:18:05 GMT On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:26:35 EST, you wrote: |>I thought the worst was the falling branches. Rear stepped out a couple= of=20 |>times but otherwise OK |> |>Bob I was noticing all the leaves. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 09:00:52 1999 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: James Hoofnagle cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:59:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Fall Fling Content-Disposition: inline I thought there was as many as 25 bright shiney sport bikes. Has anybody who was taking pictures posted them yet? Yes I counted 25 bikes at the first gas stop. I took a few pictures but haven't posted them anywhere yet. I will email them to you seperately from this message. If anyone else would like to receive them, let me know and I will email them to whoever wants them. I put them in a zip file that is just over 1 meg in size. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 09:09:38 1999 From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:05:36 -0500 Subject: Re: USAA (was insurance)--long To: Karl Mueller Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL In the eyes of the law, it doesn't "make it okay", it just makes it less likely to get caught. --chris To: bhuson@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Mueller Date: 11/03/99 02:33:47 AM GMT Subject: Re: USAA (was insurance)--long --snip-- My point is that since there were no cars out there, what good do restrictive speed limits do? How does "going with the flow of traffic" make speeding ok? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 09:13:30 1999 From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:09:33 -0500 Subject: Re: insurance... To: Karl Mueller Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL This can't be true. I live (and co-own the house) with my girlfriend ... I have USAA and she doesn't. I find it hard to believe that USAA drops you and tells you that you have to stop driving as you can't be insured by another carrier unless you move. Are you just trolling now? --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Karl Mueller Date: 11/03/99 02:42:59 AM GMT Subject: Re: insurance... --snip-- Unfortunately, it turns out that USAA only insures a household as a whole, so they won't allow me to have another company as an insurer. Now _this_ sounds fishy to me. Unfortunately my father is too honest to just tell them that I moved out, so tomorrow I'll give USAA another earfull. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 09:18:26 1999 From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:13:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Fall Fling Content-Disposition: inline So, Craig, when's the next one? ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 sbeck@XXXXXX on 11/03/99 08:59:25 AM To: James Hoofnagle cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fall Fling I thought there was as many as 25 bright shiney sport bikes. Has anybody who was taking pictures posted them yet? Yes I counted 25 bikes at the first gas stop. I took a few pictures but haven't posted them anywhere yet. I will email them to you seperately from this message. If anyone else would like to receive them, let me know and I will email them to whoever wants them. I put them in a zip file that is just over 1 meg in size. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 09:32:25 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:32:10 -0500 From: Elie Rosenblum To: Karl Mueller Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: USAA (was insurance)--long User-Agent: Mutt/1.0pre4i On Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 09:33:47PM -0500, Karl Mueller wrote: > >A big HINT: I-95 "...not another car on the road ..." One can easily slide > >by at > >74 or even faster IF they're running with the flow of traffic. If you're > >the > >only target out there, you're gonna get busted. > > My point is that since there were no cars out there, what good do > restrictive speed limits do? How does "going with the flow of traffic" make > speeding ok? Who said anything about usefulness or right and wrong? Did you actually think the rules made sense, and this really surprises you, or are you just griping because you were the one who was caught? Traffic rules aren't about right and wrong. They're about who knows how to not get caught. You can do whatever the hell you want, if you don't get caught. -- Elie Rosenblum '83 Datsun PU (beater/hauler) 2.4L I4 http://www.cosanostra.net '75 Volvo 164E (disassembled) 3.0L I6 Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer '74 Honda CB750 (fun) .74L I4 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 09:51:19 1999 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Tickets(was USAA) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:59:42 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 You Wrote: but I do plan on pleading with the cop when I get pulled over "PLEASE PLEASE don't give me a ticket I havne't had one in 3 years and my insurance rate will go up A lot!" I hear stuff like that works, but I hope i'm never in a position to try it! Didn't work for me. I had recently gotten in a minor fender bender that was considered my fault. The insurance co. (USAA) then ran my record and found a couple of tickets they didn't know about and doubled my rate. I was/am in fear of losing my insurance because my brother had his policy cancelled for the same kinda reason (although he has a 10 year history of consistently getting speeding tickets and causing minor accidents). It was one of the first nice days this spring, and I was looking forward to a ride without the vest and winter gloves on. I was leaving my house in the morning, pulled down the road and cut down another 25 zone through Falls Church. I had turned off the choke just before taking the left and the bike started sputtering. So, I gassed it a little, it sputtered, sputtered some more and then kicked in. I held it there for a couple of seconds then let off and continued down the road at about 30. I was pulled over by a cop who said I was doing 45, but she'd give me a ticket for 44 so it wasn't reckless. She actually asked if my drivers license was in trouble for points before she wrote the ticket. I pleaded my case about the choke, told her about my insurance problems etc. She went to her car and came back with my ticket and said "You should take it easy in the spring, your riding skills are probably rusty". I snatched the ticket out of her hand and said "I've ridden 4000 miles since January, I commute 3-4 days per week on my bike, the last thing I need from you is a lecture about being careful". If Bill wants more "bad luck" ticket stories, I'll be glad to oblige. I've gotten 3 in the last 3 years, all similar to this. The cops think they are doing you a favor by pulling you for 72 in a 65 during deer season so they can warn you about deer, officially! I'm always polite until they have me sign the ticket, then I turn into a serious a-hole. Jay St. Peter - hmm, just came up with a good name for my bike '95 ZX9R "Cop Magnet" From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 10:26:58 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: , Subject: Re: Fall Fling Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:22:06 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Exactly! I had a blast, and next time I'll make sure I'm there the whole day... Kirt 99 F4 -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:28 AM Subject: Re: Fall Fling > > >So, Craig, when's the next one? ; ) > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > >sbeck@XXXXXX on 11/03/99 08:59:25 AM > > >To: James Hoofnagle >cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Fall Fling > > > >I thought there was as many as 25 bright shiney >sport bikes. Has anybody who was taking pictures posted them yet? > >Yes I counted 25 bikes at the first gas stop. I took a few pictures but >haven't posted them anywhere yet. I will email them to you seperately from >this message. If anyone else would like to receive them, let me know and I >will email them to whoever wants them. I put them in a zip file that is >just over 1 meg in size. > >Steve Beck > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 10:29:31 1999 From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Mike T cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:24:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Weather Content-Disposition: inline Me too. I took the cage. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Mike T on 11/02/99 10:13:21 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Weather Glad I didn't ride in today. Reston saw a flurry of pine needles after the gusty winds. Most cars in my parking lot looked like sheep. Needles were like ice for the cage ride home. Tomorrow's forecast: Wednesday...partly cloudy...windy and much cooler...with a few sprinkles. Temperatures steady...or slowly falling through the 40s. Gusty west winds 20 to 30 mph. It is the last line that will have me driving instead of riding tomorrow.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 10:40:39 1999 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:39:01 -0500 Subject: Re:Tickets(was USAA) Content-Disposition: inline She went to her car and came back with my ticket and said "You should take it easy in the spring, your riding skills are probably rusty" In my experience this is typical of many LEO's and their types. They just love to lecture you about skills they pretend to be experts at. I'm surprised she didn't claim to be a riding instructor. I've had them tell me that quite a few times. Only to be followed by a statement so ridiculous and stupid that I immediately know they've probably never even been on a bike. I guess cops just can't help being posers. Kind of reminds me of people that use big words in hopes of impressing others, when in fact all they do is show how dumb they really are. Good for a laugh every time. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 10:50:47 1999 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 10:52:17 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: insurance questions, sort of long I have recently been battling with Progressive. They are saying I never called to cancel a bike, I am saying I did. The ritual of droppping insurance in the state of Maryland: go to MVA, turn in or transfer tags, run to telephone to drop insurance. Anyway, because of non-payment on two bikes, I thought I only had to pay for one they cancelled my insurance as of Monday, Nov. 1. I had rec'd very little notification in the mail about this. I got one notice of payment due via regular mail (not registered or certified) in late October. I spent over an hour on the phone with them late last night getting a brand new policy reflecting the one bike that I own. My questions are: Can they drop my policy without sending mail via registered or certified mail? Should I be in fear of the Maryland MVA coming after me for having a registered but uninsured bike for a total of 24 hours? Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 11:02:23 1999 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Bent Forks??? Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:00:59 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 There is a possibility that my forks are bent (1991 VFR) following my September accident. The handlebars were crunched, but I am not sure about the forks. This may seem to be a dumb question, but how can you tell if the forks are bent (they are NOT obviously bent)? If anyone is around Clarendon this weekend, and wants to take 10 minutes to look at my bike, I will provide you with many good beers. Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 11:13:37 1999 X-Originating-IP: [209.8.171.101] From: "Karl Mueller" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ok, i'll shut up now :) (was Re:Tickets(was USAA) ) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:12:47 EST Ok, lemmie extract my foot from my mouth. I didn't mean to start a flame thread on tickets or speeding laws/enforcement. I just wanted to say that I think that I'm a safe driver, and that it's a bit unfair for me to be charged for something that doesn't really matter. Wether fairness should matter to businesses is another discussion entirely. I'm just trying to say that USAA is doing questionable things from where I sit, so rather than bring them to court etc. (even if I had a chance of winning). I'd rather complain about them to people who actually use/pay for insurance, so they'd have to think about who their insurance provier is and let their money do the talking. --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 11:28:22 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:28:49 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Re:Tickets(was USAA) ) To: Karl Mueller , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Karl, Nothing personal but... While USAA is a conservative insurance provider, it is so for the benefit of the greater membership. Their decision to drop you for the 3 tickets and the accident incurred keeps the company in the black and my rates low. Not only do they have decent competitive rates and very good service but have provided me a rebate at year's end for each of the last 5 years ranging from $25 to $220. Hope you get a decent rate from the next insurer. Herb --- Karl Mueller wrote: > Ok, lemmie extract my foot from my mouth. I didn't mean to start a flame > thread on tickets or speeding laws/enforcement. I just wanted to say that I > think that I'm a safe driver, and that it's a bit unfair for me to be > charged for something that doesn't really matter. Wether fairness should > matter to businesses is another discussion entirely. > > I'm just trying to say that USAA is doing questionable things from where I > sit, so rather than bring them to court etc. (even if I had a chance of > winning). I'd rather complain about them to people who actually use/pay for > insurance, so they'd have to think about who their insurance provier is and > let their money do the talking. > > > > --Karl Mueller > 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 > 99 Aprilia RS50 > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 11:33:30 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:33:51 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Re: Bent Forks??? To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles Mark, I believe that your forks are bent based on a visual inspection I made and when I rode the bike after the accident on that fateful day. Herb --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > There is a possibility that my forks are bent (1991 VFR) following my > September accident. The handlebars were crunched, but I am not sure about > the forks. > > This may seem to be a dumb question, but how can you tell if the forks are > bent (they are NOT obviously bent)? If anyone is around Clarendon this > weekend, and wants to take 10 minutes to look at my bike, I will provide you > with many good beers. > > Thanks > > Mark > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 11:43:20 1999 Reply-To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: Subject: Friend looking for a bike Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:42:55 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 A buddy of mine is looking for a used modestly priced entry level bike. He is approximately 5'6" tall and weighs around 130 pounds. He does have some previous riding experience. I believe he should consider something like an EX500. Does anyone have any leads on a used bike that may meet his needs and capabilities? Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 12:14:28 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:14:14 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bent Forks??? Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Mark Kitchell wrote: > This may seem to be a dumb question, but how can you tell if the forks > are bent (they are NOT obviously bent)? If anyone is around Clarendon > this weekend, and wants to take 10 minutes to look at my bike, I will > provide you with many good beers. Pull the forks and roll the sliders (the chrome part) across a nice flat piece of glass. A piece of glass is also handy for checking that your forks are parallel to each other. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 12:18:59 1999 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:03:54 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: insurance questions, sort of long To: Lisa Goddard , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Lisa Goddard wrote: > > My questions are: > > Can they drop my policy without sending mail via registered or > certified mail? Yes. Typically you'll receive a notice of cancellation, with the effective date and the dollar amount to cover you if you pay. > > Should I be in fear of the Maryland MVA coming after me for having a > registered but uninsured bike for a total of 24 hours? Don't know. Sorry. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 12:19:08 1999 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Tickets(was USAA) ) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:18:08 -0500 Organization: NCEA I have been calling around and Kirt's recommendation of State Farm has proved to be the lowest for me. Allstate and Progressive were both more expensive and Geico will not insure me in Annandale due to my lack of garage, plus they refuse to combine their car and motorcycle coverages to earn group discounts. Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Nomad [SMTP:nomad98@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 11:29 AM To: Karl Mueller; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Tickets(was USAA) ) Karl, Nothing personal but... While USAA is a conservative insurance provider, it is so for the benefit of the greater membership. Their decision to drop you for the 3 tickets and the accident incurred keeps the company in the black and my rates low. Not only do they have decent competitive rates and very good service but have provided me a rebate at year's end for each of the last 5 years ranging from $25 to $220. Hope you get a decent rate from the next insurer. Herb --- Karl Mueller wrote: > Ok, lemmie extract my foot from my mouth. I didn't mean to start a flame > thread on tickets or speeding laws/enforcement. I just wanted to say that I > think that I'm a safe driver, and that it's a bit unfair for me to be > charged for something that doesn't really matter. Wether fairness should > matter to businesses is another discussion entirely. > > I'm just trying to say that USAA is doing questionable things from where I > sit, so rather than bring them to court etc. (even if I had a chance of > winning). I'd rather complain about them to people who actually use/pay for > insurance, so they'd have to think about who their insurance provier is and > let their money do the talking. > > > > --Karl Mueller > 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 > 99 Aprilia RS50 > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 12:20:48 1999 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:19:54 -0500 Subject: The Great Brake Project 0100,0100,0100Ok Guys and Gals, here's the deal.... The bike: 1988 FZR 400 [ one year away from vintage! ] The problem: The bike brakes like 11 year old bike... As many of you know, the braking system on the FZR 400 is enormous compared to the bike weight. The braking components currently on the bike are still the same ones which rolled off the assembly line 11 yrs ago. Needless to say, I think these components are a little *tired*. The Project: Total rebuild of front braking system. What I am going to do: 1) Replace the old rubber lines with steel braided lines. There are three lines here. One from the MC to a "Y" splitter which then routes another line to each caliper. I am currently gathering information on which brand of lines would best suit my needs. The choices for these are: Goodrich, Russell, Graydon Pro. Any others I forgot? 2) Rebuild the calipers and replace the pads This will include a thorough caliper cleaning and the replacement of the pads with aftermarket ones. [ I have decided on EBC HH's ] 3) Rebuild the Master cylinder [ replace all of the seals ] This will include tearing apart the MC, cleaning all the components, and replacing all of the rubber seals provided by the Yamaha MC rebuid kit. Once all of these tasks have been performed, I will then need to install and bleed the new system. I am entertaining the idea of installing bleedable banjo bolts to aid in this endeavour. I have heard that the "Y" connector makes bleeding the system a nightmare, so hopefully bleedable banjo bolts will make life a little easier. I have also head that there are vacuum pumps which make the bleeding process easier... Does anyone have any experience in this area? As you can see this will be a total brake rebuilding project. I haven't had alot of experience with hydraulic brakes, and although I do have a shop manual, I would like a little guidance from a safety/ screw-it-up-real-bad perspective. There may be others on the list which would benefit from participating/ watching, so perhaps we could have a "DC Cycles Brake Clinic" of sorts... Would anyone be willing to mentor me and other interested parties in this project... I'd be willing to offer up a case of the mentor's ale of choice, or negotiate something else for their time.... I would provide everything from workspace, tools etc... Any takers? Collin? Jon? Others? -Thanks, John N From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 12:24:51 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:36:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Looking for a bike too To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm in the market for a Honda XR400R for $3000 or less. Please keep your eyes open for me. Thanks. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 12:27:59 1999 From: "Leslie" To: Subject: Re: Insurance.. Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:28:33 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: Re: Insurance.. Karl, Being that I am a USAA member, I'm interested in hearing more about this. Did you have a clean record (how current were the 3 speeding tix)? Was this your first claim, etc. Thanks, --chris I've had USAA for about a year now...saves me $1100 dollars over my Progressive policy that I had......1 car and 3 bikes on the policy..I cover all 4 vehicles for the same price progressive charged me for the Katana....anyway I haven't gotten any tickets, just had a $2500 hit and run on my car which they promptly payed for....no complaints from me on their service...Les From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 12:43:23 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:43:18 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 jnewman@XXXXXX wrote: > 1) Replace the old rubber lines with steel braided lines. > There are three lines here. One from the MC to a "Y" > splitter which then routes another line to each caliper. So, won't you just go to 2 lines when you do the replacement (using a double banjo at the MC)? > I am entertaining the idea of installing bleedable banjo bolts to > aid in this endeavour. I have used Speed Bleeders (one way valves) and think they're great but not for initially filling the system (more on that below). I know Pep Boys sells the Speed Bleeders... > I have also head that there are vacuum pumps which > make the bleeding process easier... Does anyone have > any experience in this area? The cheaper alternative is a turkey baster. Put a piece of hose on the turkey baster and fill your brake system from the caliper. You can't have a one way valve on for this stage if you do it this way... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 12:45:40 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:45:21 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: jnewman@XXXXXX cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project > I have also head that there are vacuum pumps which > make the bleeding process easier... Does anyone have > any experience in this area? I have used one of these vacuum pumps for my bleedings, and they are definately better than the traditional leech approach. ;) In all seriousness, I've found the vacuum pump definately worth the ~$25.00 investment (especially since I've used it more than once). It means that I don't have to go through: pump...loosen...tighten...pump cycles. I just take the MC cap off and pump down at the banjo bolt. The only caveat is to be sure that the MC remains with enough fluid in it. It's easy to lose track, and suck air into the line if you don't watch the MC. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 13:00:06 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Lisa Goddard Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance questions, sort of long Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 21:02:05 GMT That reminds me, I have to mail or drop off my fr16 to the MVA because of progressives moron employees. What I did was call progressive, and told them their mistake is going to get me fined bigtime and have them amend their policy to show I was covered for the unspecified time. the MVA surely mailed me a form inquiring about my insurance. I have no doubt progressive mails them when contracts are cancelled. Even if they are teh boneheads who cancel it and are supposed to write another one, but don't. Daniel i'm switching to www.MDcycledirect.com when I get the chance. =09 On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 10:52:17 -0500, you wrote: |>I have recently been battling with Progressive. They are saying I = never |>called to cancel a bike, I am saying I did. The ritual of droppping |>insurance in the state of Maryland: go to MVA, turn in or transfer = tags, |>run to telephone to drop insurance. |> |>Anyway, because of non-payment on two bikes, I thought I only had to = pay |>for one they cancelled my insurance as of Monday, Nov. 1. I had rec'd |>very little notification in the mail about this. I got one notice of |>payment due via regular mail (not registered or certified) in late = October. |> |>I spent over an hour on the phone with them late last night getting a = brand |>new policy reflecting the one bike that I own. |> |>My questions are: |> |>Can they drop my policy without sending mail via registered or = certified mail? |> |>Should I be in fear of the Maryland MVA coming after me for having a |>registered but uninsured bike for a total of 24 hours? |>Lisa Goddard |>Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 13:00:39 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:08:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Bent Forks??? To: DC Cycles Cc: Mark Kitchell Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Mark, Could it be that your fork tubes are simply twisted in the triple clamps? A friend of mine dumped his Katana at Deals Gap with this result. What symptoms do you get? Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles cc: From: Nomad Date: 11/03/99 04:33:51 PM GMT Subject: Re: Bent Forks??? Mark, I believe that your forks are bent based on a visual inspection I made and when I rode the bike after the accident on that fateful day. Herb --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > There is a possibility that my forks are bent (1991 VFR) following my > September accident. The handlebars were crunched, but I am not sure about > the forks. > > This may seem to be a dumb question, but how can you tell if the forks are > bent (they are NOT obviously bent)? If anyone is around Clarendon this > weekend, and wants to take 10 minutes to look at my bike, I will provide you > with many good beers. > > Thanks > > Mark > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 13:19:49 1999 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 14:18:10 -0500 From: Mark In your message dated: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:19:54 EST, your pithy ruminations on were: => => 1) Replace the old rubber lines with steel braided lines. Sounds good. => 2) Rebuild the calipers and replace the pads Simple and straight forward. => => 3) Rebuild the Master cylinder [ replace all of the seals ] Another possibility is to use an aftermarket MC. If brake lever pressure is an issue, that may help. All good ideas. Are you just doing general maintenance, or are there specific braking problems you are trying to cure? => => => Once all of these tasks have been performed, I will then => need to install and bleed the new system. I am Speedbleeders. Absolutely terrific. They should be standard everywhere. You can use them on an hydraulic clutch too. => => As you can see this will be a total brake rebuilding => project. I haven't had alot of experience with hydraulic => brakes, and although I do have a shop manual, I would It's not that hard. Take things slow, don't spill brake fluid on body work or on the brake disks. Make sure that there's enough slack in the brake lines to accomodate suspension travel. As long as you're doing all of this, you should make sure that the current disks are within the limits for runout and thickness. Do NOT use DOT 5 fluid. You should use DOT 3, 4 or (if you really want--but there's no need) 5.1. DOT 5 is NOT compatible with anything else, and will require changing all the seals and flushing the brake lines. ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 13:39:54 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:39:36 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: Mark cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project Brake Fluid Comment... You should not just exclude the use of DOT 5 brake fluid! Your brake system should be labeled as to what type of brake fluid it is compatible with. For instance mine says on the MC DOT3 or DOT4, so that is all that I would use. If your MC says DOT5, then I would only use DOT5. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Mark wrote: > In your message dated: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:19:54 EST, > your pithy ruminations on were: > > => > => 1) Replace the old rubber lines with steel braided lines. > Sounds good. > > > => 2) Rebuild the calipers and replace the pads > Simple and straight forward. > > => > => 3) Rebuild the Master cylinder [ replace all of the seals ] > Another possibility is to use an aftermarket MC. If brake > lever pressure is an issue, that may help. > > All good ideas. Are you just doing general maintenance, or are there specific > braking problems you are trying to cure? > > => > => > => Once all of these tasks have been performed, I will then > => need to install and bleed the new system. I am > > Speedbleeders. Absolutely terrific. They should be standard everywhere. > You can use them on an hydraulic clutch too. > > => > => As you can see this will be a total brake rebuilding > => project. I haven't had alot of experience with hydraulic > => brakes, and although I do have a shop manual, I would > > It's not that hard. Take things slow, don't spill brake fluid on body work or > on the brake disks. Make sure that there's enough slack in the brake lines to > accomodate suspension travel. > > As long as you're doing all of this, you should make sure that the current > disks are within the limits for runout and thickness. > > Do NOT use DOT 5 fluid. You should use DOT 3, 4 or (if you really want--but > there's no need) 5.1. DOT 5 is NOT compatible with anything else, and will > require changing all the seals and flushing the brake lines. > ----- > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > bergman@XXXXXX > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > -- > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 13:44:25 1999 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: Kirk Roy Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:43:20 -0500 Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Kirk Roy > On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 jnewman@XXXXXX wrote: > > 1) Replace the old rubber lines with steel braided lines. > > There are three lines here. One from the MC to a "Y" > > splitter which then routes another line to each caliper. > > So, won't you just go to 2 lines when you do the replacement (using a > double banjo at the MC)? Well, that was an option in the beginning, but after some discussion on the FZR 400 mailing list, the general consensus was that the double line on the MC approach would not work because of clearance problems when the handle bars are turned to the extreme left. It seems that the hoses would contact the spedo. In order to get this to work, it would require some modifications to the spedo which i'd like to avoid. In the case above, the two tubes connected to the MC in parallel, (O)(O) Would get in the way. I I I I However, a set up where the two tubes are connected by a single banjo bolt might just work [ (O) with two tubes protruding from the bottom at 5:00 and 7:00 ( as in a clock ) ] Does anyone know where or who has the best selection of banjo bolts? I have heard a chorus of praise for the "speedbleeders" you mentioned. I have seen them, and I believe I will be using them into the modification.. For interested parties, here is the URL for them: http://www.speedbleeder.com/ Thanks for the input, -John From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 14:30:21 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:30:10 -0500 From: Elie Rosenblum To: Morris Berman Cc: Mark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project User-Agent: Mutt/1.0pre4i On Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 01:39:36PM -0500, Morris Berman wrote: > Brake Fluid Comment... > > You should not just exclude the use of DOT 5 brake fluid! Your brake > system should be labeled as to what type of brake fluid it is compatible > with. For instance mine says on the MC DOT3 or DOT4, so that is all that > I would use. If your MC says DOT5, then I would only use DOT5. I'm not sure how far I would trust this notion, but they're _supposed_ to all be backwards compatible. i.e. if your vehicle specifies DOT3 you can use DOT3-5; if it specifies DOT4 you can use DOT4 or 5, and if it specifies DOT5, you can only use DOT5. The impression I have is that you're best off using DOT5 most of the time, because the only specification difference is how well it resists heating problems, which are the primary source of runtime brake problems. -- Elie Rosenblum '83 Datsun PU (beater/hauler) 2.4L I4 http://www.cosanostra.net '75 Volvo 164E (disassembled) 3.0L I6 Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer '74 Honda CB750 (fun) .74L I4 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 15:04:54 1999 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:04:01 -0500 Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project Thanks for all of the responses regarding brake fluid. The choice of fluid for this project has already been dictated by the Yamaha factory manual. For the FZR, DOT #4 is recommended, DOT #3 is acceptable when DOT#4 cannot be located. I suppose the recommended DOT fluid depends on the bike manufacturer and model. Thanks, -John 88 FZR 400 From: Elie Rosenblum > On Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 01:39:36PM -0500, Morris Berman wrote: > > Brake Fluid Comment... > > > > You should not just exclude the use of DOT 5 brake fluid! Your brake > > system should be labeled as to what type of brake fluid it is compatible > > with. For instance mine says on the MC DOT3 or DOT4, so that is all that > > I would use. If your MC says DOT5, then I would only use DOT5. > > I'm not sure how far I would trust this notion, but they're _supposed_ > to all be backwards compatible. i.e. if your vehicle specifies DOT3 you > can use DOT3-5; if it specifies DOT4 you can use DOT4 or 5, and if it > specifies DOT5, you can only use DOT5. > > The impression I have is that you're best off using DOT5 most of the > time, because the only specification difference is how well it resists > heating problems, which are the primary source of runtime brake problems. > > -- > Elie Rosenblum '83 Datsun PU (beater/hauler) 2.4L I4 > http://www.cosanostra.net '75 Volvo 164E (disassembled) 3.0L I6 > Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer '74 Honda CB750 (fun) .74L I4 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 16:46:48 1999 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 16:36:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: insurance... At 05:16 PM 11/2/99 -0800, Collin T. Fagan wrote: >Collin >(who agrees with Todd that insurance is government backed extortion!! >hehe) While I agree with you that the goverment should not require people to have insurance, I can assure you that in states where auto insurnace is not required by law the companies function exactly the same as in states that do. Regaurdless if the "Gov'ment" mandates coverage insurance companies operate on the same basic principal; you suffer a small econmic loss to avoid the chance you'll suffer a large one. The devil, of course, is in the details. Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 16:46:52 1999 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 16:29:26 -0500 To: Lisa Goddard , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: insurance questions, sort of long At 10:52 AM 11/3/99 -0500, Lisa Goddard wrote: >Can they drop my policy without sending mail via registered or certified mail? Yes, they can. Leagally insurance companies only need proof that the can-no / non-renew letter was sent, not that is was received it, read it, or understood it. Case law supports this. >Should I be in fear of the Maryland MVA coming after me for having a >registered but uninsured bike for a total of 24 hours? Yes you should. MVA requires all insurance companies to send them a notice when a policy is can-no / non-renew / expired 4 no pay-slow pay. If there is not a matching new policy with another company it triggers a flag in their system. You should expect the letter in about a two months or so. I would call your underwriter & plead ingnorance & ask them back date the effect dates of the new policy. You can offer to sign a statement of no loss for the 24 hrs in question. Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 19:19:45 1999 From: "Jon Schumer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:19:51 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Elie Rosenblum said: > I'm not sure how far I would trust this notion, but they're _supposed_ > to all be backwards compatible. i.e. if your vehicle specifies DOT3 you > can use DOT3-5; if it specifies DOT4 you can use DOT4 or 5, and if it > specifies DOT5, you can only use DOT5. > > The impression I have is that you're best off using DOT5 most of the > time, because the only specification difference is how well it resists > heating problems, which are the primary source of runtime brake problems. Umm, no. DOT5 is silicone based. Totally different from DOT3/4, which are interchangable. Yes, it has a higher boiling point. I don't think you are going to reach the boiling point of DOT3, even on the track. Morris is right on, DOT5 uses different seals so don't put DOT5 in your DOT3/4 system. I've only seen DOT5 in some domestics. Rice burners don't use that crap... ;-) Jon ICQ# 11193913 88' HawkGT 92' FZR600 http://come.to/fzrmofo From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 19:22:29 1999 From: "Jon Schumer" To: , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:22:23 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Would anyone be willing to mentor me and other interested parties in this project... I'd be willing to offer up a case of the mentor's ale of choice, or negotiate something else for their time.... I would provide everything from workspace, tools etc... > Any takers? Collin? Jon? Others? > -Thanks, > John N Name the time and place and promise a ride on that little rocket. ;-) Jon ICQ# 11193913 88' HawkGT 92' FZR600 http://come.to/fzrmofo From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 20:15:02 1999 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 20:18:55 -0500 Subject: Re: insurance... From: John Whiteside To: Stephen Harris , on 11/3/99 4:36 PM, Stephen Harris at harris@XXXXXX wrote: > At 05:16 PM 11/2/99 -0800, Collin T. Fagan wrote: >> Collin >> (who agrees with Todd that insurance is government backed extortion!! >> hehe) > > > While I agree with you that the goverment should not require people to > have insurance, I can assure you that in states where auto insurnace is not > required by law the companies function exactly the same as in states that > do. One difference -- if you do get insurance, it tends to cost a whole lot more. Ask anyone who lived in Rhode Island before insurance was required there. -- John Whiteside jwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 20:16:07 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:16:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Fall fling To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX James, Glad to hear you guys had lots fo fun... Pray for decent weather aound the turkey day weekend as I'll be in town with "pepe the pack mule", and I fully plan on heading out for a ride of some sort... I usually catch 734 (snickersville tpk) for a short stretch on my usuall *short* route... but there are soooo many other better roads in that area that I try to stay on it as little as possible... CT brrrrr.. snow cold!!! ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 20:26:03 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:26:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: bent forks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mark, If the forks are not obviously bent, the only really good way to check them is off of the bike using a dial gauge... or you can roll them on a table and look for out of roundness. On the bike, you might check for alignment by putting a pane of glass across both tubes.. this is a pain though cause you pretty much have to remove everything from the front of the bike... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 20:33:45 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:33:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re Brakes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX John, Like I said, if you can wait till turkey day weekend, I'd be happy to help.. hydraulic brakes are surprisingly easy to deal with...and I'd be happy to do brake 101 with anyone else that wanted to show up :) I haven't used them, but have seen em in action.. the speedbleeders do indeed work well and they are pretty cheap...makes things a tad bit quicker, especially if you are bleeding the system yourself! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 20:36:04 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:36:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Brakes II To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Oh yeah, I forgot to comment on brake lines.... Don't remember the name of the shop, but Glenn Dysart mentioned a street rod shop in your area that makes custom lines probably a tad bit cheaper than one of the pre-made kits... gonna look em up myself this winter.. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 20:42:06 1999 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 20:31:41 -0500 To: From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: insurance... At 08:18 PM 11/3/99 -0500, John Whiteside wrote: >>on 11/3/99 4:36 PM, Stephen Harris at harris@XXXXXX wrote: >> While I agree with you that the goverment should not require people to >> have insurance, I can assure you that in states where auto insurnace is not >> required by law the companies function exactly the same as in states that >> do. > >One difference -- if you do get insurance, it tends to cost a whole lot >more. Ask anyone who lived in Rhode Island before insurance was required >there. Yes, people's rates go up. In a few rare cases, they actually go down. Overall, there is a higher cost to doing business due to compliance with new laws & requirements. That cost gets passed on to the customer, just like any other business that "gov'ment" fools with. However, the companies operates under the same basic principals, same basic parameters. You suffer a small economic loss to avoid the chance you'll suffer a large one, and the company that offers the best price or value wins. obo moto; I do lots of wheelies when I ride, should I pay more for insurance...:-) Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 20:53:40 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:53:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: the great brake project To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Eli, 4 and 5.1 are backwards compatible; however, 5.0 is NOT. It is a silicon based brake fluid that only works in a very specific set of bikes....I think a few BMW's use it and that's about it for bikes... Any good standard brake fluid should be fine... if you live in the twisty's alone and brake really really hard, you ought to get som eof the 600 degree fluid, but otherwise the standard425-475 range should be fine... with the braking system on the FZR400, overheating the fluid is rarely an issue! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 21:16:04 1999 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 21:21:56 -0500 From: Craig X-Accept-Language: en CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fall Fling Anytime someone wants to go... An inpromptu ride can be setup, though no route sheets, so you'll have to keep up..hehehe.;~}..ay Collin what do you think....?? I put some pictures from the Fall Fling ride on the "MoFo" website today...take a look James.. Craig 99 900RR 85 VF500f http://www.angelfire.com/va/wsdymfg James Hoofnagle wrote: > Who are these Mo-Fo guys anyway? Oh and if you get a chance check out rt. > 734 just west of Aldie Va. > > James > E-TKT "Kirt S." wrote: > Exactly! I had a blast, and next time I'll make sure I'm there the whole > day... > > Kirt > 99 F4 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: Fall Fling > > > > > > >So, Craig, when's the next one? ; ) > > > >- Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > > > > > > >sbeck@XXXXXX on 11/03/99 08:59:25 AM > > > > > >To: James Hoofnagle > >cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Fall Fling > > > > > > > >I thought there was as many as 25 bright shiney > >sport bikes. Has anybody who was taking pictures posted them yet? > > > >Yes I counted 25 bikes at the first gas stop. I took a few pictures but > >haven't posted them anywhere yet. I will email them to you seperately from > >this message. If anyone else would like to receive them, let me know and I > >will email them to whoever wants them. I put them in a zip file that is > >just over 1 meg in size. > > > >Steve Beck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 06:32:41 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Brakes II Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:32:32 -0500 Here is the name of the shop... Hi Performance Hardware 5912 N. Washington Blvd Arlington, VA (703) 534-1626 Be sure to take along some heat shrink tubing to put on before the ends are put on. If you don't you may experience some chafing of the paint and other surfaces of your bike. Oh, and the guy who runs the shop isn't the most charming guy you'll ever meet either so don't expect a warm welcome. Glenn -----Original Message----- >Oh yeah, I forgot to comment on brake lines.... >Don't remember the name of the shop, but Glenn Dysart mentioned a >street rod shop in your area that makes custom lines probably a tad bit >cheaper than one of the pre-made kits... gonna look em up myself this >winter.. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 06:37:52 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: the great brake project Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:37:49 -0500 Speaking of brake fluid... from one of my car lists Ford apparently makes a Heavy Duty DOT 3 because they designed one of their trucks with the brake lines too close to the exhaust pipes. Its supposedly alot cheaper then buying racing brake fluid but from what I've heard it collects more condensation then regular fluid. If any want this stuff, the part number is: C6AZ-19542-AA. Glenn -----Original Message----- >Eli, >4 and 5.1 are backwards compatible; however, 5.0 is NOT. It is a >silicon based brake fluid that only works in a very specific set of >bikes....I think a few BMW's use it and that's about it for bikes... >Any good standard brake fluid should be fine... if you live in the >twisty's alone and brake really really hard, you ought to get som eof >the 600 degree fluid, but otherwise the standard425-475 range should be >fine... with the braking system on the FZR400, overheating the fluid is >rarely an issue! From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 07:28:27 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Cc: "'mKitchell@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Bent Forks??? Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:27:51 -0500 Mark wrote... > >This may seem to be a dumb question, I always heard the dumb question was the one you didn't ask. >...but how can you tell if the forks are >bent (they are NOT obviously bent)? A cheap and fast way to see if you tubes are bent or misaligned is to lay a piece of glass across both tubes (the "goes-ins," not the "goes-intos"). If the glass wobbles, problems. Not sure if this trick would work on upside downers, tho. HTH Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 08:40:01 1999 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:39:41 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: insurance... ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Collin T. Fagan" >What reason did they give for dropping you? the tickets?? I don't think >they *can* drop you for an accident that isn't caused by you....same as >they aren't supposed to raise your rates for comprehensive claims.... >oh well... all insurance companies suck.. just some worse than >others... Years ago, Liberty Mutual dropped my car insurance because after 10 years of paying premiums and no claims -- I got one ticket, and I got hit by a car thief. The ticket was for speeding. The wreck was caused by the guy who pulled out in front of me (telling the cop I was 75 ft. away and going 50 mph when he pulled out in front of me). I was subpoena'd to testify against him, he pled guilty and paid the fine rather than show up in court (he was driving his own car then, but apparently was well-known in the courthouse for his thievery). He had no insurance, of course. Then he skipped town to try to avoid paying me. He sent the first check the day after the Sheriff delivered the papers when I found him and sued him. All that, and our drivers records read EXACTLY the same -- "Driver/owner of vehicle that had property damage done to it". I know, because I lost my insurance and had to go assigned risk for several years. Virginia - hundreds of years of tradition, unmarred by progress. If it happened again, I'd complain to the State Corporation Commission, the state Insurance Commissioner, etc, but I was younger then and just took it. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 09:36:05 1999 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:28:52 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance... I like that quote! BTW - complaining to thge State Corp Comm is a huge waste of breath. Years ago I complained about NY Life's rip-off scheme which had caught me. The SCC did absolutly zip and told me tough titty. I had to let the policy go - a sizeable portion of my retirement plan at the time. A few years later I get a document from the New York State courts. Seems someone(s) with more time and money than me had sued the poopy-crap out of NYL. New York Life, being the cheating, lying peckerheads they are, lost the case. I got a measily 5K out of it. A wee bit short of the nar 100K retirement package I had signed up for and been paying on for more than 3 decades. Naturally, I dispatched a note to the VA SCC and imformed them that thier lack of response was pitiful. Fug `em. Fire the batch of `em. Save our tax money. Bill Chris Norloff wrote: > Virginia - hundreds of years of tradition, unmarred by progress. > > If it happened again, I'd complain to the State Corporation Commission, the state Insurance Commissioner, etc, but I was younger then and just took it. > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 09:53:47 1999 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:43:57 -0500 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Accept-Language: en To: DC-Cycles Mailing List , Fizzer Squad Subject: For those of you who will be riding year round I an effort to keep my fingers from falling off I went on a search this morning for a place to by good cooooold weather gear for a fair price. This is the best site I found. http://www.snowmobilesonline.com/ Nelson 94 FZR 600 AMA 761213 Gainesville, Va From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 10:01:49 1999 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:01:46 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: insurance questions, sort of long ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Lisa Goddard >Can they drop my policy without sending mail via registered or certified mail? Probably. Policy in most situations is that putting something in the mail is considered a guarantee that it's delivered. Still something to fight about. >Should I be in fear of the Maryland MVA coming after me for having a >registered but uninsured bike for a total of 24 hours? Possible, but one day's fine probably isn't that much. Still, something to fight about and blame the ins. co. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 10:04:01 1999 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:03:58 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re:Tickets(was USAA) ) >--- Karl Mueller wrote: >> Ok, lemmie extract my foot from my mouth. I didn't mean to start a flame >> thread on tickets or speeding laws/enforcement. I just wanted to say that I >> think that I'm a safe driver, and that it's a bit unfair for me to be >> charged for something that doesn't really matter. Didn't you say you have 3 speeding tickets, one wreck, and are not even 18 years old yet? I think you could be "safer". Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 10:07:25 1999 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:07:21 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Morris Berman >In all seriousness, I've found the vacuum pump definately worth the >~$25.00 investment (especially since I've used it more than once). It >means that I don't have to go through: pump...loosen...tighten...pump >cycles. I just take the MC cap off and pump down at the banjo bolt. The >only caveat is to be sure that the MC remains with enough fluid in >it. It's easy to lose track, and suck air into the line if you don't >watch the MC. The way I avoid this is to pump the vacuum pump while it's attached to the bleeder valve but with the bleeder closed. Build up some vacuum, THEN open the bleeder while watching the master cylinder fluid level. Close the bleeder, add fluid, pump the vacuum pump -- then open the bleeder ... etc. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 10:10:05 1999 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:10:02 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: jnewman@XXXXXX >The choice of fluid for this project has already been >dictated by the Yamaha factory manual. For the FZR, >DOT #4 is recommended, DOT #3 is acceptable when >DOT#4 cannot be located. A system designed for DOT4 could overheat the brake fluid if DOT3 was used. If the manual really says this, I guess it's okay. But why design a system to use DOT4 and label it, then say you can use a lower boiling point fluid (DOT3) anyway? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 10:12:22 1999 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:12:19 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Stephen Harris Subject: Re: insurance... ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>Collin >>(who agrees with Todd that insurance is government backed extortion!! >>hehe) Speaking as someone who has been hit by an uninsured motorist, I like the idea of someone actually having insurance and the financial means for responsibility. I just wish states wouldn't allow uninsured motorists to drive, even if they pay into a state fund. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 10:23:28 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" , "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re:Tickets(was USAA) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:22:17 -0500 Steve wrote, "I guess cops just can't help being posers." Well said. Too much television, I think. A month or so ago I was pulled over on 606 going east just past the toll rd. The cop looked like he was about 19 years old, and weighed about 130 pounds. He said I was going more than 20 miles over the limit (good thing he didn't catch me doing the ton around the back side of the airport), and that was a mandatory reckless. I'm pretty sure that's just a big fat lie (it's up to the discretion of the officer, right?), but I just kept smiling and calling him "sir." Then he says, "Since you have a valid motorcycle license and registration, and most people on bikes don't, I'll knock it down to 19 miles over." And he asked me twice if there was an emergency. Did he forget, or was he trying to be funny? Being extra nice to the Officer usually pays off, but this kid was just a jerk with serious prejudices against bikers. I have no problem with getting a ticket when I was indeed breakin' the law, but I hate being preached to by some little snot. I wish I could better illustrate how much of a self-righteous jerk he was, but alas, I am not writer enough. I guess I was hoping he would treat me with a little more respect since I was being *very* polite to him. I bet he felt like a big man telling his buddies how he read me the riot act. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 10:47:54 1999 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" , "'DCC'" , Subject: Re: Re:Tickets(was USAA) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:46:27 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Actually, 20 is mandatory reckess. Except in a 65 zone, where reckless is anything above 80. Go argue the ticket at court...IMHO the court can't consider that you were going 20 over since the ticket was written for 19, so you can work down from there. Maybe someone pissed in his coffee that morning. Cops are human too. Polite is always the right way to go. mark -----Original Message----- From: Crishock, Richard M, BGM To: 'DCC' ; 'sbeck@XXXXXX' Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:38 AM Subject: Re:Tickets(was USAA) >Steve wrote, "I guess cops just can't help being posers." > >Well said. Too much television, I think. > > >A month or so ago I was pulled over on 606 going east just past the toll rd. >The cop looked like he was about 19 years old, and weighed about 130 pounds. >He said I was going more than 20 miles over the limit (good thing he didn't >catch me doing the ton around the back side of the airport), and that was a >mandatory reckless. I'm pretty sure that's just a big fat lie (it's up to >the discretion of the officer, right?), but I just kept smiling and calling >him "sir." Then he says, "Since you have a valid motorcycle license and >registration, and most people on bikes don't, I'll knock it down to 19 >miles over." And he asked me twice if there was an emergency. Did he >forget, or was he trying to be funny? > > >Being extra nice to the Officer usually pays off, but this kid was just a >jerk with serious prejudices against bikers. I have no problem with getting >a ticket when I was indeed breakin' the law, but I hate being preached to by >some little snot. I wish I could better illustrate how much of a >self-righteous jerk he was, but alas, I am not writer enough. I guess I was >hoping he would treat me with a little more respect since I was being *very* >polite to him. I bet he felt like a big man telling his buddies how he read >me the riot act. > >Rich >'78 Triumph Bonneville >'99 Enfield Bullet >Sterling, VA > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 10:50:15 1999 From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Great Brake Project Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:52:18 -0500 John, Good idea to go with the OEM manual specs. Besides, DOT 3/4 is pretty cheap at Trak Auto, worked for my Seca. The vacuum will save you lots of grief, the Seca front brake system would not prime without it. Remote master cyclinder, what sadist engineer came up with that one? Please announce the details of the brake clinic, I know that I can always learn more from the spanner spinning masters. Have a great day, Mike 82 XJ750RJ -----Original Message----- From: jnewman@XXXXXX [mailto:jnewman@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 3:04 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project Thanks for all of the responses regarding brake fluid. The choice of fluid for this project has already been dictated by the Yamaha factory manual. For the FZR, DOT #4 is recommended, DOT #3 is acceptable when DOT#4 cannot be located. I suppose the recommended DOT fluid depends on the bike manufacturer and model. Thanks, -John 88 FZR 400 From: Elie Rosenblum > On Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 01:39:36PM -0500, Morris Berman wrote: > > Brake Fluid Comment... > > > > You should not just exclude the use of DOT 5 brake fluid! Your brake > > system should be labeled as to what type of brake fluid it is compatible > > with. For instance mine says on the MC DOT3 or DOT4, so that is all that > > I would use. If your MC says DOT5, then I would only use DOT5. > > I'm not sure how far I would trust this notion, but they're _supposed_ > to all be backwards compatible. i.e. if your vehicle specifies DOT3 you > can use DOT3-5; if it specifies DOT4 you can use DOT4 or 5, and if it > specifies DOT5, you can only use DOT5. > > The impression I have is that you're best off using DOT5 most of the > time, because the only specification difference is how well it resists > heating problems, which are the primary source of runtime brake problems. > > -- > Elie Rosenblum '83 Datsun PU (beater/hauler) 2.4L I4 > http://www.cosanostra.net '75 Volvo 164E (disassembled) 3.0L I6 > Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer '74 Honda CB750 (fun) .74L I4 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 10:50:32 1999 From: "Leslie" To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" , "'DCC'" , Subject: Re: Re:Tickets(was USAA) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:47:40 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 a month or so ago I was pulled over on 606 going east just past the toll rd. The cop looked like he was about 19 years old, and weighed about 130 pounds. Was this lil man's name Allen by chance...that lil SOB gave me a ticket for illegal towing on 66 once..trying to get my roommates car out of the on ramp from 495...it was sitting in the lane blocking traffic, so I used his jeep to pull the car down to the merge area so cars could get by.....cost my roommate $60..(i wasn't paying it) anyway he gives me a 10 minute lecture on safe driving and towing and says that I was speeding...mind you I was in an all time 4 wheel drive jeep (65 mph tops down hill) towing a Celica..I asked him how fast he said 47mph..while towing....when was the last time he saw a tow truck on the road....they do atleast 65-70 all the time slinging the car aroudn...anyway.... While we were waiting for his (buddy) who just happens to own a tow truck to show up...long story short I got in a argument with him about moving the car and the fact that I had an out of state license....I'm not a Virginia resident, he tells me I can't legally drive in VA after 90 days of establishing residence here....I tell him that I am in the military and my residence is Tennsessee.. he just looks at me and storms off to his warm lil car to await his buddy....I just chuckled...and gave the ticket to my roommate...so far Tennessee hasn't taken any point off....oh well...Les 96KAT750 89klr650, 88NX250, 89LT500R, 84XR350R, 85200X From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 11:01:13 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Re:Tickets(was USAA) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:01:12 -0500 >Actually, 20 is mandatory reckess. Except in a 65 zone, where reckless is >anything above 80. Nope, its up to the cop to decide what he wants to charge you with. But if you get charged with Reckless or 20 MPH speeding its still a 6 point offense in VA. >Go argue the ticket at court...IMHO the court can't consider that you were >going 20 over since the ticket was written for 19, so you can work down from >there. If you have the time, go for it. >Maybe someone pissed in his coffee that morning. Cops are human too. >Polite is always the right way to go. I guess they are human, except Fairfax County cops which are all pieces of shit. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 11:05:53 1999 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Re:Tickets(was USAA) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:04:34 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 If you are charged with speeding 20 miles over the posted limit, it is a reckless charge. Look up the statute. There are other reckless charges obviously, but I think this is the most common one. Cops suck until one of them saves your life. mark -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM To: 'Mark Kitchell' ; 'DC Cycles' Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 11:02 AM Subject: RE: Re:Tickets(was USAA) > > >>Actually, 20 is mandatory reckess. Except in a 65 zone, where reckless is >>anything above 80. > >Nope, its up to the cop to decide what he wants to charge you with. But if >you get charged with Reckless or 20 MPH speeding its still a 6 point offense >in VA. > >>Go argue the ticket at court...IMHO the court can't consider that you were >>going 20 over since the ticket was written for 19, so you can work down >from >>there. > >If you have the time, go for it. > >>Maybe someone pissed in his coffee that morning. Cops are human too. >>Polite is always the right way to go. > >I guess they are human, except Fairfax County cops which are all pieces of >shit. > >Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 11:12:14 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Re:Tickets(was USAA) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:12:13 -0500 It CAN be Reckless charge if that what the cop wants to charge you with but trust me, he doesn't have to. The officer can just charge you with speeding. I've gotten SEVERAL 20 MPH over tickets that were NOT RECKLESS DRIVING in VA. Usually the local cops just give the speeding tickets where as the state boys always seem to give Reckless. I even ran into this last time I got pulled over by a state boy. He gave me that crap that he had to give me a Reckless because I was going over 20 MPH. I told him he could have just given me a speeding ticket. His response? "My supervisor likes me to do it this way". An yes I'm all too familiar with the VA code. Glenn -----Original Message----- >If you are charged with speeding 20 miles over the posted limit, it is a >reckless charge. Look up the statute. >There are other reckless charges obviously, but I think this is the most >common one. >Cops suck until one of them saves your life. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 11:15:00 1999 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Re:Tickets(was USAA) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:13:45 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Ok, it sounds like you are the expert. I have only been pulled over by state cops, thus my ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM To: 'Mark Kitchell' ; 'DC Cycles' Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 11:13 AM Subject: RE: Re:Tickets(was USAA) >It CAN be Reckless charge if that what the cop wants to charge you with but >trust me, he doesn't have to. The officer can just charge you with >speeding. I've gotten SEVERAL 20 MPH over tickets that were NOT RECKLESS >DRIVING in VA. Usually the local cops just give the speeding tickets where >as the state boys always seem to give Reckless. I even ran into this last >time I got pulled over by a state boy. He gave me that crap that he had to >give me a Reckless because I was going over 20 MPH. I told him he could >have just given me a speeding ticket. His response? "My supervisor likes >me to do it this way". > >An yes I'm all too familiar with the VA code. > >Glenn > >-----Original Message----- > >>If you are charged with speeding 20 miles over the posted limit, it is a >>reckless charge. Look up the statute. > >>There are other reckless charges obviously, but I think this is the most >>common one. > >>Cops suck until one of them saves your life. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 11:22:52 1999 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:21:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Brake bleeding vacuum pump? CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Where did you guys get the vacuum pump? Pep boys? Trak Auto? Thanks, -John > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Morris Berman > >In all seriousness, I've found the vacuum pump definately worth the > >~$25.00 investment (especially since I've used it more than once). It > >means that I don't have to go through: pump...loosen...tighten...pump > >cycles. I just take the MC cap off and pump down at the banjo bolt. The > >only caveat is to be sure that the MC remains with enough fluid in > >it. It's easy to lose track, and suck air into the line if you don't > >watch the MC. > > The way I avoid this is to pump the vacuum pump while it's attached to the bleeder valve but with the bleeder closed. Build up some vacuum, THEN open the bleeder while watching the master cylinder fluid level. Close the bleeder, add fluid, pump the vacuum pump -- then open the bleeder ... etc. > > Chris Norloff > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 11:28:37 1999 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:41:34 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Re:Tickets(was USAA) To: Mark Kitchell , "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , "'DC Cycles'" - Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Cops suck until one of them saves your life. Yeah, but cops do a lot more sucking than lifesaving. MOTO: anybody know the cheapest online site to pick up some LP SS brake lines? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 11:33:30 1999 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:33:20 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: CC: Subject: Re: Brake bleeding vacuum pump? I got my MityVac from JCWhitney (I'm always cautious buying from them, after getting burned multiple times, but this was a brand name). About $30. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: jnewman@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:21:46 -0500 >Where did you guys get the vacuum pump? Pep boys? >Trak Auto? > >Thanks, > >-John > >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> From: Morris Berman >> >In all seriousness, I've found the vacuum pump definately worth the >> >~$25.00 investment (especially since I've used it more than once). It >> >means that I don't have to go through: pump...loosen...tighten...pump >> >cycles. I just take the MC cap off and pump down at the banjo bolt. The >> >only caveat is to be sure that the MC remains with enough fluid in >> >it. It's easy to lose track, and suck air into the line if you don't >> >watch the MC. >> >> The way I avoid this is to pump the vacuum pump while it's attached to the bleeder valve but with the bleeder closed. Build up some vacuum, THEN open the bleeder while watching the master cylinder fluid level. Close the bleeder, add fluid, pump the vacuum pump -- then open the bleeder ... >etc. >> >> Chris Norloff >> > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 11:38:25 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 11:35:21 -0500 Subject: RE: Re:Tickets(was USAA) To: "'DC Cycles'" Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Aren't they the ones who used to drive Volvos? (Maybe they still do - I'm not sure) That would explain a lot. Chris Weaver '98 VTR From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" I guess they are human, except Fairfax County cops which are all pieces of shit. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 11:41:43 1999 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:41:32 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Brake bleeding vacuum pump? Got mine from Trak Auto. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 jnewman@XXXXXX wrote: > Where did you guys get the vacuum pump? Pep boys? > Trak Auto? > > Thanks, > > -John > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: Morris Berman > > >In all seriousness, I've found the vacuum pump definately worth the > > >~$25.00 investment (especially since I've used it more than once). It > > >means that I don't have to go through: pump...loosen...tighten...pump > > >cycles. I just take the MC cap off and pump down at the banjo bolt. The > > >only caveat is to be sure that the MC remains with enough fluid in > > >it. It's easy to lose track, and suck air into the line if you don't > > >watch the MC. > > > > The way I avoid this is to pump the vacuum pump while it's attached to the bleeder valve but with the bleeder closed. Build up some vacuum, THEN open the bleeder while watching the master cylinder fluid level. Close the bleeder, add fluid, pump the vacuum pump -- then open the bleeder ... > etc. > > > > Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 12:40:03 1999 From: DGlassJr@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:39:22 EST Subject: Tickets(was USAA) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ('DC Cycles') --part1_0.36264b71.25531eca_boundary --part1_0.36264b71.25531eca_boundary Content-Disposition: inline From: DGlassJr@XXXXXX Full-name: DGlass Jr Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:31:24 EST Subject: Re: Tickets(was USAA) To: rcrishock@XXXXXX Speaking of tickets, I received one about two months ago in Herndon for wheelying the SuperHawk. State cop wrote me up for reckless. What a total asshole. I was polite and didn't give him any grief, but he thought he was God. Now I get to go to court on Tuesday and hope he doesn't show. It wasn't even an intentional wheelie, just one of those you get when you hit the gas a little hard on the SHawk, never even went over the speed limit and the wheel was only about 4" off the ground in 1st gear. I'll show up and plead my case on Tuesday, citing 29 years experience, no tickets, no accidents etc. Wish me luck! Don --part1_0.36264b71.25531eca_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 13:02:08 1999 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:01:46 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: jnewman@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake bleeding vacuum pump? I've got a pump you can borrow if you like. On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 jnewman@XXXXXX wrote: > Where did you guys get the vacuum pump? Pep boys? > Trak Auto? > > Thanks, > > -John > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: Morris Berman > > >In all seriousness, I've found the vacuum pump definately worth the > > >~$25.00 investment (especially since I've used it more than once). It > > >means that I don't have to go through: pump...loosen...tighten...pump > > >cycles. I just take the MC cap off and pump down at the banjo bolt. The > > >only caveat is to be sure that the MC remains with enough fluid in > > >it. It's easy to lose track, and suck air into the line if you don't > > >watch the MC. > > > > The way I avoid this is to pump the vacuum pump while it's attached to the bleeder valve but with the bleeder closed. Build up some vacuum, THEN open the bleeder while watching the master cylinder fluid level. Close the bleeder, add fluid, pump the vacuum pump -- then open the bleeder ... > etc. > > > > Chris Norloff > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 13:08:55 1999 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:08:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Shrink Wrap To: DC-Cycles I want to wrap up a few wires that lead to the connectors on my Widder vest, which has a bad habit of shorting itself just when I need it most (brrrr!). I was told to go to Radio Shack for shrink wrap, but I just got blank stares from the sales associate. Can anyone point me out to a good place to get shrink wrap? Landmark, Alexandria, Arlington area is easiest for me to get to, but will travel further if I need to. Thanks, Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 13:17:49 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ('DC Cycles') Subject: Re: Tickets(was USAA) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 21:19:56 GMT On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:39:22 EST, you wrote: |>Speaking of tickets, I received one about two months ago in Herndon for= =20 |>wheelying the SuperHawk. State cop wrote me up for reckless. What a = total=20 |>asshole. I was polite and didn't give him any grief, but he thought he = was=20 |>God. Now I get to go to court on Tuesday and hope he doesn't show. It = wasn't=20 |>even an intentional wheelie, just one of those you get when you hit the= gas a=20 |>little hard on the SHawk, never even went over the speed limit and the = wheel=20 |>was only about 4" off the ground in 1st gear. |>I'll show up and plead my case on Tuesday, citing 29 years experience, = no=20 |>tickets, no accidents etc. |>Wish me luck! |>Don Sounds like you should beat that one.. usually when I went to traffic court the judges tend to let off people who have great driving records.=09 From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 13:21:41 1999 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:21:38 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC-Cycles , "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Shrink Wrap ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Louis F. Caplan" >I want to wrap up a few wires that lead to the connectors on my Widder vest, >which has a bad habit of shorting itself just when I need it most (brrrr!). I >was told to go to Radio Shack for shrink wrap, but I just got blank stares from >the sales associate. What a bunch of mo-rons Radio Shack has. "You've got questions, we've got stupid looks." It's commonly called "heat shink tubing" which if you called it "shrink wrap" probably went right over the sales droid. They almost certainly have it, and you can also buy it at electronic places (check the phone book), probably from some computer shops, and I think I've even seen it in hardware stores and mega-stores like Home Depot. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 13:21:46 1999 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:21:43 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC-Cycles , "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Shrink Wrap ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Louis F. Caplan" >I want to wrap up a few wires that lead to the connectors on my Widder vest, >which has a bad habit of shorting itself just when I need it most (brrrr!). I >was told to go to Radio Shack for shrink wrap, but I just got blank stares from >the sales associate. What a bunch of mo-rons Radio Shack has. "You've got questions, we've got stupid looks." It's commonly called "heat shink tubing" which if you called it "shrink wrap" probably went right over the sales droid. They almost certainly have it, and you can also buy it at electronic places (check the phone book), probably from some computer shops, and I think I've even seen it in hardware stores and mega-stores like Home Depot. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 13:29:45 1999 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:29:04 EST Subject: Re: Shrink Wrap To: nighthawk700@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Louis - They *do* have them at radio shack, and it's prob the best place to get them in the area. It's a crimped connector that has a plastic outer sheath that you heat after crimping to seal... the Radio Shack catalolg calls it a "Shrink butt connector" - catalog #64-3111 and they carry them in the stores - the catalog is online at www.radioshack.com You will need a crimping tool as well as a small butane torch to install them properly. - Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 13:41:15 1999 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "Louis F. Caplan" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:39:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Shrink Wrap Content-Disposition: inline You can find it at Arcade Electronics on General Washington Drive right behind Marlo Furniture off of edsal road. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 13:54:11 1999 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:53:55 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Brown To: "Louis F. Caplan" cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Shrink Wrap Arlington Electronics on Lee Highway http://www.arlingtonel.qpg.com/ On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:08:52 -0800 (PST) > From: "Louis F. Caplan" > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Shrink Wrap > > > I want to wrap up a few wires that lead to the connectors on my Widder vest, > which has a bad habit of shorting itself just when I need it most (brrrr!). I > was told to go to Radio Shack for shrink wrap, but I just got blank stares from > the sales associate. Can anyone point me out to a good place to get shrink > wrap? Landmark, Alexandria, Arlington area is easiest for me to get to, but > will travel further if I need to. > > Thanks, > > Louis > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 14:29:25 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13768 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:29:24 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA22820; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:29:00 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa08471; Thu, 4 Nov 99 13:51:38 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FKO00176SKDOL@XXXXXX>; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525681F.0067768D ; Thu, 04 Nov 1999 13:50:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 13:48:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Shrink Wrap To: "Louis F. Caplan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525681F.00677D7B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Louis, If you can't find what you're looking for, you could try Plasti-Dip. It's sort of like rubber in a liquid form. You apply it and it dries in a few minutes. It wouldn't look as good as heat shrink tubing, but would work just as well and you could apply it to odd shapes like connectors, etc. You can find this stuff in home improvement mega-stores like Hechingers and Home Depot. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 To: DC-Cycles cc: From: "Louis F. Caplan" Date: 11/04/99 06:08:52 PM GMT Subject: Shrink Wrap I want to wrap up a few wires that lead to the connectors on my Widder vest, which has a bad habit of shorting itself just when I need it most (brrrr!). I was told to go to Radio Shack for shrink wrap, but I just got blank stares from the sales associate. Can anyone point me out to a good place to get shrink wrap? Landmark, Alexandria, Arlington area is easiest for me to get to, but will travel further if I need to. Thanks, Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 14:58:28 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14196 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:58:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FKO001BUTPVG5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:20:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA10023 for ; Thu, 04 Nov 1999 19:20:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.209]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991104192019.KXVD10632@toddnt> for ; Thu, 04 Nov 1999 19:20:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 14:17:03 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: Tornado To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <001301bf26f9$2d48a130$d1b024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Some nice pics of the radical new Benelli. http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbenelli/tornado.html Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 15:05:50 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14336 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA23757 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:04:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002101bf2700$1f659ee0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206CDFC@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Subject: Re: Brakes II Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:06:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 The guy's name is Frank and even though he is not very charming he definitely knows his shit. -Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM To: 'Collin T. Fagan' ; Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 6:32 AM Subject: RE: Brakes II > Here is the name of the shop... > > Hi Performance Hardware > 5912 N. Washington Blvd > Arlington, VA > (703) 534-1626 > > Be sure to take along some heat shrink tubing to put on before the ends are > put on. If you don't you may experience some chafing of the paint and other > surfaces of your bike. Oh, and the guy who runs the shop isn't the most > charming guy you'll ever meet either so don't expect a warm welcome. > > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > > > >Oh yeah, I forgot to comment on brake lines.... > >Don't remember the name of the shop, but Glenn Dysart mentioned a > >street rod shop in your area that makes custom lines probably a tad bit > >cheaper than one of the pre-made kits... gonna look em up myself this > >winter.. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 15:28:30 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14684 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-154.patriot.net [209.249.180.154]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA19081; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:28:24 -0500 Message-ID: <3821EABE.6C3FBA6A@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 15:21:18 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Shrink Wrap References: <19991104180852.11141.rocketmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As many pointed out, Radio Shack has heat shrink tubing in a variety of sizes. Also, there's heat shrink tape. You tape the wire and heat shrink it ultra-tight. Bill Louis F. Caplan wrote: > I want to wrap up a few wires that lead to the connectors on my Widder vest, > which has a bad habit of shorting itself just when I need it most (brrrr!). I > was told to go to Radio Shack for shrink wrap, but I just got blank stares from > the sales associate. Can anyone point me out to a good place to get shrink > wrap? Landmark, Alexandria, Arlington area is easiest for me to get to, but > will travel further if I need to. > > Thanks, > > Louis > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 16:13:11 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15419 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:13:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA03712 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA14537 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:12:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10217 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:12:50 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991104161206.013ada50@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 16:12:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Pilot killed - lister? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The name John Graves sounds familiar - was he a lister? ================= Pilot Killed In Crash - (CHARLOTTESVILLE) -- A man who crashed his homemade ultralight plane has died. The aircraft went down in Culpeper County. The victim is identified as 49-year-old John Graves of Leesburg. There's NO word on a cause, but officials are investigating. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. Echelon: revolution, manifesto, revolt, etc. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 16:41:26 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15928 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:41:22 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA28882; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:39:26 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa29572; Thu, 4 Nov 99 15:48:38 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FKO00MRFXZFBU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:52:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525681F.00722BC8 ; Thu, 04 Nov 1999 15:47:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 15:46:29 -0500 Subject: Front Sprocket Replacement Procedure? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525681F.00722E9E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Hi all. I just bought a new front sprocket for the SuperDooperHawk at Fast Lane, and I'm hoping to install it this weekend. Anything special I should know? Any special tools I'll need? I'm hoping I won't have to get the rear end off of the ground, since I don't have a swingarm stand yet. Any advice? Thanks for any replies even vaguely helpful! Chris Weaver 98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 16:50:30 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16201 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:50:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11jUlw-0000zD-00; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:50:20 -0500 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19379; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 4 Nov 1999 16:49:04 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Shrink Wrap Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:58:57 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Do you mean the screws on the connectors shorting out? The first week I had my widder, the connector that comes from the battery touched metal and blew the inline fuse. I was actually testing it at the time and set my vest on some diamond steel that was on the floor of my shed. I don't know if it would actually happen in operation. I have electrical taped over them, but was thinking that a more elegant solution would be one of those thick black rubber bands, about 1-inch in diameter 1/2-inch wide. It would cover the screws and still be easy to pull back and fix the wires you rip out when walking away from the bike forgetting about the cord. Now, where to get one of those? BTW, Radio Shack does have shrink tubing, but it isn't nearly as good as the stuff we get here at work. I would guess that an electronics place would have the same stuff we do. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 17:37:40 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17060 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-154.patriot.net [209.249.180.154]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA03734; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:37:33 -0500 Message-ID: <38220903.98ADE7B4@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 17:30:28 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Front Sprocket Replacement Procedure? References: <8525681F.00722E9E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Swingarm stand? I have a bike lift if that would help. Jacks the whole thang off the ground. Bill christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Hi all. > > I just bought a new front sprocket for the SuperDooperHawk at Fast Lane, > and I'm hoping to install it this weekend. Anything special I should know? > Any special tools I'll need? I'm hoping I won't have to get the rear end > off of the ground, since I don't have a swingarm stand yet. > > Any advice? Thanks for any replies even vaguely helpful! > > Chris Weaver > 98 VTR 1000 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 21:58:58 1999 Return-Path: culimerc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (smtp5.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21094 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from el-pipo-grande (user-2ivei6r.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.72.219]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA28680 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:58:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991104220639.0068e8f0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: culimerc@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 22:06:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: James Hoofnagle Subject: Tickets, Insurance, Whatever Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Let us not forget the essence of the game. We the mice try to get the cheese (innumeral speed related thills). The cats (cats, cops, whatever) try to catch us, the mice, before we can make off with our ill gotten booty (quick adreneline fix). The penalty for being caught, rather than death as with the real cat and mouse game, is a little ass-sucking and a potential fine. Theses are the rules, and while I don't always agree with them, they are the rules, and we must play within them. Having to put up the preachings arrogant (sp?), power hungry, sexually frustraed teenagers and rednecks is just part of it. These are the people that see themselves in the role of protector (scary). Anyway, you/we have a choice; put up with the afore mentioned belittlings at the hands of the afore mentioned cretians, change your riding habits, or lastly, quit riding. You always have a choice. My personal trick for getting out of speeding tickets is to pull over the second you know your busted. Even before the f#@*er turns on his lights. I've had cops over run me and have to back-up, the look on their face is great. And their usually so embarassed that they just give you a scolding and send you on your way. However, I almost never "get jiggy wit it" in town. See Ya' James E-TKT PS. Hey Collin I'd like to watch you all do that brake job. I'll hopfully do one as well this winter. Chain and sprockets too. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 23:14:52 1999 Return-Path: jbroga@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22524 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:14:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (sterling-130.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FKP005LSIFVAJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:14:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 23:13:58 -0800 From: jambroga Subject: Re: Front Sprocket Replacement Procedure? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001c01bf275d$54772740$822fbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <8525681F.00722E9E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-Priority: 3 Chris - If you haven't already, read Zik's FAQ and see if this is on it. I did the job last year on my VTR and recall an awful lot of banter at the time about a pin that slides out when you remove the schproket cover. Lots of guys found that once that pin slid out it wasn't going back in short of complete clutch actuating something or other re-assembly (read : major pain in the ass). Lots of other guys had no problem. Seemed to be linked to either A) moving the bike while the pin was extended B) Pulling clutch lever while pin was extended C) Rubberbanding clutch lever to bar before performing job and D) NOT rubberbanding clutch lever. Take all that for what you paid for it. I was hyper-paranoid so I did not rubberband my lever, didn't touch, move or so much as fart in the general direction of my bike during procedure, and all was well. Just don't forget - maybe put a sticky note on your lever to prevent a brain fade mistake. Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 12:46 PM Subject: Front Sprocket Replacement Procedure? > Hi all. > > I just bought a new front sprocket for the SuperDooperHawk at Fast Lane, > and I'm hoping to install it this weekend. Anything special I should know? > Any special tools I'll need? I'm hoping I won't have to get the rear end > off of the ground, since I don't have a swingarm stand yet. > > Any advice? Thanks for any replies even vaguely helpful! > > Chris Weaver > 98 VTR 1000 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 12:46 PM Subject: Front Sprocket Replacement Procedure? > Hi all. > > I just bought a new front sprocket for the SuperDooperHawk at Fast Lane, > and I'm hoping to install it this weekend. Anything special I should know? > Any special tools I'll need? I'm hoping I won't have to get the rear end > off of the ground, since I don't have a swingarm stand yet. > > Any advice? Thanks for any replies even vaguely helpful! > > Chris Weaver > 98 VTR 1000 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 07:35:13 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00796 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:35:11 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip109.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip109.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.109]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA23735; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 04:35:00 -0800 (PST) To: jnewman@XXXXXX Cc: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Brake bleeding vacuum pump? ZX6R Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 15:37:19 GMT Message-ID: <3826f9a1.106579708@mail.earthlink.net> References: <199911041622.LAA01646@bmdo.mcri.com> In-Reply-To: <199911041622.LAA01646@bmdo.mcri.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, I just purchased a 95 zx6r and now I have to deal with the rear brake (not a problem at the price I paid for the bike). Are motorcycle brakes, or the zx6r brakes in particular, harder to bleed than car brakes? I tried bleeding it, and while it grabs a little, it feels like it still bottoms out, but also doesn't have too far to travel at the same time. This would tell me either it needs more pressure built up or something is wrong. The pads on the caliper are fine. I also noticed a rear brake line in the sellers garage.=20 So does it sound like the brake just needs to be bled, or maybe one side of the caliper is frozen? Some other problem? Or maybe it needs to be bled with a vacuum?=20 Anyone know how much a caliper will set me back? ( I know it might not need it, it is a 95, but I'd like to know all the possibilities). Anyone with a vacuum in the cheverly, MD area want to take a shot at it? I'll reward you if successful :) Or maybe I'll buy a pump if no one is that close. Thanks for any input, Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 07:45:06 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from kcmso1.proxy.att.com (kcmso1.att.com [192.128.133.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00924 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:45:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by kcmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id HAA16003 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:44:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id HAA28632; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:40:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:44:04 -0500 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE027F30C8@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: RE: Heat Shrink Tubing (was: Shrink Wrap) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:44:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The only heat shrink tubing I've been able to find at Radio Shack are the "variety packs." You get about 20 pieces of various diameters, all about 6 inches long, so you end up buying a bunch of stuff you can't use. An electronics store would be a better bet. Back home in PA there was this place that had not only different sizes available, but different colors too! Yellow (to match a 748 perhaps?), Blue (R1?)... Does anyone have a favorite electronics place to recommend that's in or near Sterling? Dulles Electric and Supply only stocks one size of black tubing. Thanks, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 08:02:33 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01468 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-165.patriot.net [209.249.180.165]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA26300; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:02:26 -0500 Message-ID: <3822D3B7.C903FB8C@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 07:55:19 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: jnewman@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake bleeding vacuum pump? ZX6R References: <199911041622.LAA01646@bmdo.mcri.com> <3826f9a1.106579708@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Caliper/piston freeze. This is very possible seein as how many bikes languish in dead storage for extended periods. I have a big-ass Dodge van which is the trip-mobile and tow vehicle. Sometimes it sits for months. Less than 100K and it's on it's third set of front brake calipers. Air should make the brake feel spongy. Also, the pedel/lever will *pump* up with repeated application. If the brake is *grabby* I'd look for a leaky rear seal that's spewing grease on the pads or a sticky piston. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Hello All, I just purchased a 95 zx6r and now I have to deal with the > rear brake (not a problem at the price I paid for the bike). Are > motorcycle brakes, or the zx6r brakes in particular, harder to bleed > than car brakes? I tried bleeding it, and while it grabs a little, > it feels like it still bottoms out, but also doesn't have too far to > travel at the same time. This would tell me either it needs more > pressure built up or something is wrong. The pads on the caliper are > fine. I also noticed a rear brake line in the sellers garage. > > So does it sound like the brake just needs to be bled, or maybe one > side of the caliper is frozen? Some other problem? Or maybe it needs > to be bled with a vacuum? > > Anyone know how much a caliper will set me back? ( I know it might not > need it, it is a 95, but I'd like to know all the possibilities). > > Anyone with a vacuum in the cheverly, MD area want to take a shot at > it? I'll reward you if successful :) Or maybe I'll buy a pump if no > one is that close. > > Thanks for any input, > > Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 09:40:04 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [208.36.117.170]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04597 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:40:02 -0500 (EST) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA06586; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:40:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199911051440.JAA06586@bmdo.mcri.com> To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:39:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Brake bleeding vacuum pump? ZX6R CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3826f9a1.106579708@mail.earthlink.net> References: <199911041622.LAA01646@bmdo.mcri.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Daniel, >From what I have found out, you don't usually need to replace the caliper itself, but rather the seals around the piston. The caliper is just the housing which holds the pistons [ these are what really stop you. ] If I were you, I would purchase a Kawasaki service manual if I planned on keeping the bike for any reasonable amount of time. In the manual, it will show what seals are where, which might give you a better indication of where your problem is. The brakes on my bike are quite a bit older than yours on the zx6, but you may want to replace the piston seals and the dust seals which are the only components made of rubber [ in mine yours may be slightly different ], and so, tend to be the weak link. If you have been following the brake discussion, you might want to invest in some speed bleeder for the rear. Costs around $6.00. The order of what I would purchase/ do: 1 Shop Manual. 2 Change out the fluid & bleed. { you did this } 3. Install speed bleeders, and change the fluid 4 rebuild caliper, and replace seals then do # 3 5 Replace seals in Master cylinder, do number 4 6 replace brake lines with SS ones, then # 5. Good luck. I keep us posted. -John From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > Hello All, I just purchased a 95 zx6r and now I have to deal with the > rear brake (not a problem at the price I paid for the bike). Are > motorcycle brakes, or the zx6r brakes in particular, harder to bleed > than car brakes? I tried bleeding it, and while it grabs a little, > it feels like it still bottoms out, but also doesn't have too far to > travel at the same time. This would tell me either it needs more > pressure built up or something is wrong. The pads on the caliper are > fine. I also noticed a rear brake line in the sellers garage. > > So does it sound like the brake just needs to be bled, or maybe one > side of the caliper is frozen? Some other problem? Or maybe it needs > to be bled with a vacuum? > > Anyone know how much a caliper will set me back? ( I know it might not > need it, it is a 95, but I'd like to know all the possibilities). > > Anyone with a vacuum in the cheverly, MD area want to take a shot at > it? I'll reward you if successful :) Or maybe I'll buy a pump if no > one is that close. > > Thanks for any input, > > Daniel > From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 09:56:48 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04845 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11jknD-0006QE-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:56:43 -0500 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00214 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 5 Nov 1999 09:55:24 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Re:Brake Bleeding Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:05:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal There's actually a tech-article in the latest "Sport Rider" about brakes. It's not too bad, written by Carey Andrew (Hypercycle Suzuki tuner). It has some pics and some good info about not using brake cleaner near any type of seal, particularly the seal around the pistons because it will swell and cause the brake to stick. Jay From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 10:57:44 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05852 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11jlkC-0001SA-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:57:40 -0500 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24828; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 5 Nov 1999 10:56:24 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Subject: Re:ZX6R Brakes Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:06:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Daniel, Since it is only the rear brake I'd do the minimum to get it working. When my Hurricane rr brake exibited similar symptoms, it was a piston that had some crud on it and made it stick. What I'd do is pull the caliper off and remove the pads. Lightly push the rear brake pedal while holding the piston in with your other hand (careful here, if the piston pops out you're commited to a rebuild). Now carefully clean the dirty part of the piston till it shines like the clean part that came out. I used soap and water with a toothbrush. Once clean and dry, push it in and out a few times to be sure it isn't sticking. If it is, go get yourself a rebuild kit from the Kaw dealer. Just be real careful, it's amazing how little pressure on the brakes will push the piston harder than you can hold it in. Also, if your 6R is anything like my '95 9R, the rear brake seems pretty weak anyway because of the very long lever travel. Personally, I find that to be a good thing. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 11:02:49 1999 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05925 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id VVV9ZYDL; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:03:05 -0500 Message-ID: <010e01bf27a7$08155260$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Ride Routes in California needed Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:01:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 I will be in LA over Thanksgiving and I have rented a Honda CBX1100 for five days. Does anyone have any adivce for a good trip? I am thinking about Rt 1 up the coast to Napa. My route back to LA is unclear through. Thanks Mark PS: Any CBX1100 riders out there? From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 11:31:02 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web505.yahoomail.com (web505.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06404 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:31:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991105163851.26954.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web505.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 05 Nov 1999 08:38:51 PST Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:38:51 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Ride Routes in California needed To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark, if you go up the coast as far as San Francisco, you might want to spend some time in the wine country just north of the city: nice scenery and curves. You could then return to LA by way of the Sierra Nevada Mountains as an alternative to the coast, going through Yosemite, Sierra National Forest and Sequoia National Forest. Very pretty, tight roads and lots of wildlife. You might want to check out the status of Rt. 1 before you go: when I riding through there in summer 1992 the authorities had closed it to motorcycles, something about gang activity, and that's why I went through the Sierra Nevadas. Sometimes land slides close the road too. Oh yeah, check with Hugh, he just came through there. Sounds like a great trip! Sean Sullivan --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I will be in LA over Thanksgiving and I have rented > a Honda CBX1100 for five > days. Does anyone have any adivce for a good trip? > I am thinking about Rt > 1 up the coast to Napa. My route back to LA is > unclear through. > > Thanks > > Mark > > PS: Any CBX1100 riders out there? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 11:56:01 1999 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06759 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:56:00 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 2PKTa11027 (4588) for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:55:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.4c9a0e31.255465fb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:55:23 EST Subject: Re: Ride Routes in California needed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 Highway one is nice, but it can take forever. You have to go slowly through each little town, and in some of those towns, like Santa Barbara, Monterey and Santa Cruz there are actual rush hours, complete with stopped traffic. Plus there are lots of motorhomes, many on which are rented from tourists from other countries who stop to gawk in the most inconvenient spots. It can also be very cold and foggy on the coast this time of year. There are many excellent places to ride in northern California, but your time is limited. Can you resist the lure of Redwoods in Mendocino, and the wine in Napa? If so, you might want to consider Yosemite, or even closer is Joshua Tree. JT has some great desert landscapes, completely different from what you get around here. Colleen, who lived in California for 31 years. >I will be in LA over Thanksgiving and I have rented a Honda CBX1100 for five >days. Does anyone have any adivce for a good trip? I am thinking about Rt >1 up the coast to Napa. My route back to LA is unclear through. 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Wow! -Sean Jordan --part1_0.818b97fa.2554678f_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (rly-zb02.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.2]) by air-zb02.mail.aol.com (v62.15) with ESMTP; Fri, 05 Nov 1999 11:51:06 -0500 Received: from blade.yoshimune.com (node-cffb8b82.powerinter.net [207.251.139.130]) by rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (v62.10) with ESMTP; Fri, 05 Nov 1999 11:50:55 -0500 Received: from localhost by blade.yoshimune.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA19139; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by yoshimune.com (bulk_mailer v1.9); Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:49:25 -0800 Received: by blade.yoshimune.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA19095 for cbr-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:49:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by blade.yoshimune.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA19091 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:49:22 -0800 (PST) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id aBFS0_DDKb (3964) for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:49:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.25da4ece.255464ae@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:49:50 EST Subject: [cbr] 92 F2 racebike for sale To: cbr@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-cbr@XXXXXX Reply-To: cbr@XXXXXX Hey all, Im selling my 92 F2 racebike pretty cheap. Its a 92 CBRF2. Bike is located in VA. Goodies include: Fox shock, LE forks, Daytona steering damper, steel brake lines, D207gp, new superbike tail, black forks frame and swingarm. Beautiful and powerful bike. www.hometown.aol.com/wantazx6r for a pic. Asking $1750. Jack --part1_0.818b97fa.2554678f_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 12:18:18 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07076 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:18:04 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206CE53@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Eternity23@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [cbr] 92 F2 racebike for sale (From CBR list) Jack's Alive! Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:18:07 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) What a great guy. I think I knew about a month ago he had that e-mail address. Wouldn't surprise me if he is on this list too in lurk mode. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Eternity23@XXXXXX [mailto:Eternity23@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:02 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: [cbr] 92 F2 racebike for sale (From CBR list) Jack's Alive! Hey look everybody! Jack's alive! Wow! -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 13:18:55 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07949 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:18:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11jnwo-00003A-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:18:51 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:18:48 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Routes in California needed In-Reply-To: <010e01bf27a7$08155260$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Whatever you do make sure you ride the Angeles Crest just outside of LA. 33 heading north out of Ventura is also very nice. I also recommend 25 south of Hollister. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 13:23:33 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08036 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:23:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11jo1J-000178-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:23:29 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:23:27 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Routes in California needed In-Reply-To: <19991105163851.26954.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII While I didn't ride route 1 in California I did ride it in Oregon and my experience was that although it was very beautiful there was a whold bunch of traffic. If you have all 5 days to play with I think Sean's recommendation is excellent. On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Sean Sullivan wrote: > Mark, if you go up the coast as far as San > Francisco, you might want to spend some time in the > wine country just north of the city: nice scenery and > curves. You could then return to LA by way of the > Sierra Nevada Mountains as an alternative to the > coast, going through Yosemite, Sierra National Forest > and Sequoia National Forest. Very pretty, tight roads > and lots of wildlife. > You might want to check out the status of Rt. 1 > before you go: when I riding through there in summer > 1992 the authorities had closed it to motorcycles, > something about gang activity, and that's why I went > through the Sierra Nevadas. Sometimes land slides > close the road too. Oh yeah, check with Hugh, he just > came through there. > Sounds like a great trip! > Sean Sullivan > > --- Mark Kitchell > wrote: > > I will be in LA over Thanksgiving and I have rented > > a Honda CBX1100 for five > > days. Does anyone have any adivce for a good trip? > > I am thinking about Rt > > 1 up the coast to Napa. My route back to LA is > > unclear through. > > > > Thanks > > > > Mark > > > > PS: Any CBX1100 riders out there? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 13:26:36 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08062 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:26:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11jo4G-0001mc-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:26:32 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:26:29 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Good roads (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Saw this on the VFR list and thought it was of general interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:33:14 -0800 From: Bruce Scott To: VFR list Subject: RE: Good roads This was originally posted by David M2 Thompson: Here's a bunch of Web sites for roads! This list includes everything I could find for North America. I am compiling my own road list (Maine to North Carolina + Kentucky, Ohio, West Virginia & Tennessee ) that I will contribute to two of the sites. I have well over a hundred roads to describe, so it will take most of the winter. I hope to have them ready by March '99 http://www3.vw.com/driving/favorite.htm (VW sponsored, so it's not bike oriented) http://www.his.com/~dale/ (Appalachian Touring info - not specific road info) http://www.execpc.com/~ytk/ (Probably the most extensive & one I will contribute to) http://www.net1plus.com/users/holbrook/massloop.htm (Eastern Ma & New Hampshire Bike routes) http://www.byways.org/pages/index.phtml (Scenic Byways - Auto oriented) http://www3.sympatico.ca/elhum/ (Canadian Bike Roads) http://www.ns.net/~mgood/ (Northern California Bike Roads) http://www.reconsulting.com/ride/ridebord.nsf/Roads?openview&collapseview (7 States - New site that I will contribute to) http://www.ioa.com/~smma/ (A Blue Ridge Mtn Area Biker's Map Service) http://miso.wwa.com/~cgobiker/SCENIC.HTM (Illinois / Indiana Area Rides) http://www.idcomm.com/personal/mtnphilo/COroads/CHBM.htm (Colorado Bike routes) http://userweb.interactive.net/~kadis/berk_mt.html (New England - Berkshire, White & Green Mtns http://userweb.interactive.net/~kadis/co_roads.html (Colorado rides) http://userweb.interactive.net/~kadis/local_rt.html (NJ, Eastern Pa & Catskill Mtn rides) Hope this helps, BRU ------------------------------------------------------------------ The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 13:54:47 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f196.hotmail.com [209.185.130.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08583 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:54:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 48576 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 1999 18:54:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19991105185409.48575.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Nov 1999 10:54:09 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance... Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 10:54:09 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The problem here is being a teen-age son, being related to (and living with) the father and the rest of the family you are "likely" to drive any and all cars owned by a family. Many insurance companies no longer buy the lie (because it is often a lie) that my son "never drives" my Porshe, Caddie, Firebird, Mustang... They have the accident records to prove it. Unfortunately. My father got a great discount when I moved away from home, driving the rust bucket, on the same insurance. I doubt things have changed much in 20 years. >This can't be true. I live (and co-own the house) with my girlfriend ... I >have USAA and she doesn't. > >I find it hard to believe that USAA drops you and tells you that you have >to stop driving as you can't be insured by another carrier unless you move. > >Unfortunately, it turns out that USAA only insures a household as a >whole,so they won't allow me to have another company as an insurer. Now >_this_ sounds fishy to me. Unfortunately my father is too honest to just >tell them that I moved out, so tomorrow I'll give USAA another earfull. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 14:17:01 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08983 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:17:00 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id iHIAa04501 (3862); Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:15:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.78774615.255486ed@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:15:57 EST Subject: Re: Ride Routes in California needed To: mKitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 In a message dated 11/5/99 11:07:19 AM, mKitchell@XXXXXX writes: << I am thinking about Rt 1 up the coast to Napa. >> YES YES YES I did that trip in reverse on a Harley and it's GREAT. Also, just did it again in a car last week. Make sure you stop in Monterey, go to the aquarium, and check out the jellyfish display. It's VERY cool. :D The only problem with the 1 (route 1) was one section where it's one lane only because a bridge is under repair. Otherwise it was fine. I'm told the hills of Malibu are pretty great as well.... Marcy From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 14:31:24 1999 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09304 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id WKM04BYH; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:31:49 -0500 Message-ID: <028f01bf27c4$30796a80$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Widder? Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:30:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 For those Widder users, do you recommend the more expensive thermostat, or will the regular switch do? Anyone try the new model with arms? mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 14:43:18 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from kcmso1.proxy.att.com (kcmso1.att.com [192.128.133.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09550 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:43:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from gab200r1.ems.att.com ([135.37.94.32]) by kcmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id OAA05591 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by gab200r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id OAA20985; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:42:30 -0500 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE027F30CF@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: Guzzi V11 Sport Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:42:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I forgot to tell y'all about this... I was in San Diego the week before last, and visited GP Motorcycles there. They had a black V11 Sport on the floor. *Much* prettier in person. The stainless collector on the 2 into 1 into 2 is a work of art. Looks like it was lovingly carved out of giant cube of stainless. I told one of the guys there how I liked it, and he said it was a total mockup! No crank, piston, trans, nothing! I felt violated. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 14:57:13 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09788 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:57:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id OAA16049 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id OAA03591; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:56:39 -0500 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE027F30D0@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: Falco rides again Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:56:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If anyone is interested, Dr. Falco (who some of us heard speak in Gaithersburg about a month ago), is to be one of the commentators on a new History Channel show. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From: Charles Falco Save Address Block Sender Reply-To: Charles Falco To: BRIT-IRON-L@XXXXXX Save Addresses Subject: History (Channel) in the making Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:06:43 -0700 A few months ago a team from the History Channel interviewed me for a program in their Modern Marvels series. For all I know all of that footage may be on the cutting room floor (or, after I hear what I said, I may *wish* all of it had been left there). Anyway, the program has now been scheduled to air: > World Premiere! > Motorcycles > (November 15): > They're fast. They're powerful. They're sexy. To some they're a symbol of > freedom. To others, they simply spell trouble. Over the last century, they've > tantalized riders with their promise of unparalleled speed and endless > adventure. Climb on a chopper and crank up the motor for a fast-paced > thrill-ride through the history of motorcycles. > Airs: Monday, November 15 at 10 pm ET/11 pm PT > Repeats: Saturday, November 20 at 7pm ET/4pm PT > Length: 1 hour Oh, what's the B-I content? Pay attention to the objects in the background when I'm on the screen. Charles Falco ========================================================== Charles M. Falco (520) 621-6771 Optical Sciences, G-S Bldg. (520) 621-4356 FAX P.O. Box 210077 http://www.arl.arizona.edu/ssd/ University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721-0077 From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 14:57:50 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09810 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:57:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:57:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199911051457.AA474415488@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Widder? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Mark Kitchell" >For those Widder users, do you recommend the more expensive thermostat, or >will the regular switch do? I prefer the thermostat, because I can set it where I want it and don't have to get hot, get cold, get hot, get cold, ... >Anyone try the new model with arms? It looks like too much hassle for commuting, though it'd probably be nice if I put it on and left it on for most of the day. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 15:34:27 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10347 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:34:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:33:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199911051533.AA23658946@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" , "Mark Kitchell" Subject: Re: Widder? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Mark Kitchell" Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:30:11 -0500 >For those Widder users, do you recommend the more expensive >thermostat, or will the regular switch do? I was happy with the on/off switch that came with my Gerbing jacket liner. Then I actually got industrious and hard-wired a toggle switch up to our bikes. When I recently purchased a full Gerbing Ultimate heated riding suit (sweet!) it came with a thermostat. At first I scoffed at the ungainly thing, but now I'm a big fan. It's so nice dialing in a little more or a little less heat when you need it. Now I just gotta figure out a nicer place to mount it. >Anyone try the new model with arms? That thing looks freeeeeking ridiculous. You gotta strap on and plug in HOW many things to get upper body coverage?!?! I can't for the life of me understand why Pat Widder doesn't just make a heated jacket. That's the reason I went to Gerbing in the first place. Now I'm sold on Gerbings forever! (Or longer... :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 15:49:49 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10584 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:49:47 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip109.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip109.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.109]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA25205 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:49:44 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Re: ZX6R Brakes Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 23:52:03 GMT Message-ID: <38296d78.136240018@mail.earthlink.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd like to thank On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:06:19 -0800, you wrote: |>Daniel, |> |>Since it is only the rear brake I'd do the minimum to get it working. = When |>my Hurricane rr brake exibited similar symptoms, it was a piston that = had |>some crud on it and made it stick. What I'd do is pull the caliper off= and |>remove the pads. Lightly push the rear brake pedal while holding the = piston |>in with your other hand (careful here, if the piston pops out you're |>commited to a rebuild). Now carefully clean the dirty part of the = piston |>till it shines like the clean part that came out. I used soap and = water |>with a toothbrush. Once clean and dry, push it in and out a few times = to be |>sure it isn't sticking. If it is, go get yourself a rebuild kit from = the |>Kaw dealer. Just be real careful, it's amazing how little pressure on = the |>brakes will push the piston harder than you can hold it in. |>Also, if your 6R is anything like my '95 9R, the rear brake seems = pretty |>weak anyway because of the very long lever travel. Personally, I find = that |>to be a good thing. |> |>Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 15:55:13 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10674 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-171.patriot.net [209.249.180.171]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA15285; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:55:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3823427B.4239E50E@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 15:47:55 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horkster@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles , Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Widder? References: <199911051533.AA23658946@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I prefer a biker chick. Sorta keeps you warm on the run, and can definately assuage the chill after the ride. *Biker Chick*. Your choice of hair color etc. Batteries not included Bill Horkster wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Mark Kitchell" > Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:30:11 -0500 > > >For those Widder users, do you recommend the more expensive > >thermostat, or will the regular switch do? > > I was happy with the on/off switch that came with my Gerbing > jacket liner. Then I actually got industrious and hard-wired > a toggle switch up to our bikes. > > When I recently purchased a full Gerbing Ultimate heated riding > suit (sweet!) it came with a thermostat. At first I scoffed > at the ungainly thing, but now I'm a big fan. It's so nice > dialing in a little more or a little less heat when you need it. > Now I just gotta figure out a nicer place to mount it. > > >Anyone try the new model with arms? > > That thing looks freeeeeking ridiculous. You gotta strap on and > plug in HOW many things to get upper body coverage?!?! > > I can't for the life of me understand why Pat Widder doesn't just > make a heated jacket. That's the reason I went to Gerbing in the > first place. Now I'm sold on Gerbings forever! (Or longer... :) > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 5 15:59:01 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10771 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:58:59 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip109.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip109.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.109]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA29193 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:58:56 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Re: ZX6R Brakes Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 00:01:16 GMT Message-ID: <382a6dd7.136334124@mail.earthlink.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd like to thank everyone who posted with the brake info. I'll pull the caliper probably on monday ,and carefully see if I can clean it out a bit without pushing the piston out. I have a feeling that might do it, because like i said, it does grab a little. I actually thought of doing that anyway. btw will i need a c clamp to push the caliper in? I'm glad I was warned though, I could have possibly hit the brake and pushed the piston out. The weathers so nice, I dont' want to pull it right now, so i'll probably do it monday. I'm having so much fun riding it! Surprised though, I also had a lot of fun riding my 250 to the MVA, even tho I'm having fun on the zx6r, the ex250 is still a fun little bike! anyway I greatly appreciate your advice. i'll keep you updated on what happens. Oh yeah I'm going to get a speed bleeder screw too. How many times do you have to pump it before the air is gone? (generally speaking) btw the brake pedal travel feels short.. is there a way to make it longer? Daniel Thanks agian! On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:06:19 -0800, you wrote: |>Daniel, |> |>Since it is only the rear brake I'd do the minimum to get it working. = When |>my Hurricane rr brake exibited similar symptoms, it was a piston that = had |>some crud on it and made it stick. What I'd do is pull the caliper off= and |>remove the pads. Lightly push the rear brake pedal while holding the = piston |>in with your other hand (careful here, if the piston pops out you're |>commited to a rebuild). Now carefully clean the dirty part of the = piston |>till it shines like the clean part that came out. I used soap and = water |>with a toothbrush. Once clean and dry, push it in and out a few times = to be |>sure it isn't sticking. If it is, go get yourself a rebuild kit from = the |>Kaw dealer. Just be real careful, it's amazing how little pressure on = the |>brakes will push the piston harder than you can hold it in. |>Also, if your 6R is anything like my '95 9R, the rear brake seems = pretty |>weak anyway because of the very long lever travel. Personally, I find = that |>to be a good thing. |> |>Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 6 10:35:15 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29290 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:35:09 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip165.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip165.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.165]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA06941 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 07:35:06 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: fairings for zx6r - and rim polishing? Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 18:37:26 GMT Message-ID: <38257155.202774158@mail.earthlink.net> References: <19991105185409.48575.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <19991105185409.48575.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh I forgot to say, my bike is mixed matched. The bike was green and white but the guy had somehow ended up with a black fairing (and tank) but green fender, green wheels and white tail.. so if anyone knows someone selling race takeoff body work for a zx6r let me know.. Ideally I'd like to just swap out the non black with red or black plastic parts. And is there a chemical that will strip the paint off the wheels? I'd rather the wheels be metal looking than green. Atleast the rim part.=20 Green spokes won't be noticable. Or I may just leave the wheels green so what, then I could have an excuse not to wash them hehe, to let the dirt hide the green.=20 I'm going riding with my 250R crew in about half an hour, so I hope you all enjoy the great riding day! Daniel ex250/zx6r From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 6 11:07:40 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29701 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.24.62] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A24C19DD0154; Sat, 06 Nov 1999 11:07:40 -0500 Message-ID: <382451B3.1D872866@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 11:05:07 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: fairings for zx6r - and rim polishing? References: <19991105185409.48575.qmail@hotmail.com> <38257155.202774158@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > Oh I forgot to say, my bike is mixed matched. The bike was green and > white but the guy had somehow ended up with a black fairing (and tank) > but green fender, green wheels and white tail. That bike would probably look pretty good with a John Deere paint job. :) Talk to Leon! Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - BugSlayer II - BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) - GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 6 21:02:47 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07959 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 21:02:32 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip165.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip165.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.165]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02696 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:02:29 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: fairings for zx6r - and rim polishing? Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 05:04:48 GMT Message-ID: <38250819.241376313@mail.earthlink.net> References: <19991105185409.48575.qmail@hotmail.com> <38257155.202774158@mail.earthlink.net> <382451B3.1D872866@tidalwave.net> In-Reply-To: <382451B3.1D872866@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LoL good point. Leon would you like to exchange any black parts for green parts, let me know (front fender, wheels) : ) hehe On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 11:05:07 -0500, you wrote: |>daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: |>>=20 |>> Oh I forgot to say, my bike is mixed matched. The bike was green and |>> white but the guy had somehow ended up with a black fairing (and = tank) |>> but green fender, green wheels and white tail. |> |>That bike would probably look pretty good with |>a John Deere paint job. :) Talk to Leon! |> |>Horkster From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 6 22:50:15 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe3.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.50]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA09257 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:44:28 -0500 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Widder? Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:49:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01bf28d3$2701c0a0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <028f01bf27c4$30796a80$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Mark Kitchell wrote: > > For those Widder users, do you recommend the more expensive thermostat, or > will the regular switch do? > > Anyone try the new model with arms? Switching on and off isn't that big a deal, but the thermostat is nicer. Since the thermostat's pretty expensive, you might want to try without the thermostat first, and see if just using the switch is ok for you or not. As for the new System vest, I find it interesting that people who haven't used it are so willing to criticize it. I got one, with arm chaps, on Thursday. I love it (with one caveat). The chaps snap into the vest and stay there. There's no need to repeatedly attach and remove them. Putting the vest on is as easy as any other. The gloves can hook into the sleeves of the vest. So yes, you have to plug and unplug the gloves when you put them on or take them off, but that's true with or without the vest. The arm chaps stay on your arm with two straps (on each arm) that wrap around and attach with Velcro. It's a little awkward at first, but after practicing half a dozen times it's no sweat. I attach the strap around the wrist first, and then the one that goes around the upper arm. I have to admit that regular sleeves might be easier, but the arm chaps work fine. And yes, they really do work. Riding on my faired ST1100, the only parts of my arms that ever got cold were from my shoulders to my elbows, and the arm chaps keep my arms toasty warm. The other part of me that got cold was the back of my neck I got the System II version, with a heated collar. Problem solved. What's the caveat, you ask? I have circulation problems in my hands. I need to apply LOTS of heat to keep my hands warm. If I use only one plug for the vest and gloves, my torso gets too hot or my hands not hot enough. So I've ended up using the regular harness for the gloves, instead of plugging them into the arm chaps. I made my own connector setup that lets me control the vest and gloves separately (vest through the thermostat so I can turn it lower than the gloves). Note that this isn't really a limitation of the Widder system. Any combination of vest and gloves are either going to switch on and off together, or need two separate switches. And this may only be my problem. Someone with normal hands may find the heat output of the two matched perfectly. On other thing. I followed their measurement guide on the web site an ordered the vest in a size 40. I don't think I'm fat by any means, but it was too tight around my middle, and even a little bit snug through the chest. Unless you're very slim, I'd order one size larger than their sizing guide suggests. To make a long post short, I love the vest and arm chaps, and the gloves. Without the gloves, I couldn't ride after September. The vest puts out enough heat to ride in subfreezing temps, at least riding behind a fairing. HTH, and feel free to let me know if you have any other questions. ITW, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 7 02:26:41 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA12613 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 02:26:38 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip165.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip165.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.165]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA15270 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:26:34 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dumped the 250 ouch : ) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 10:28:51 GMT Message-ID: <38275360.260650458@mail.earthlink.net> References: <19991105185409.48575.qmail@hotmail.com> <38257155.202774158@mail.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <38257155.202774158@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dumped my 250 today! SLAM! it happened QUICK! The reason? not=20 paying attention to what's in front of me. I was looking for the=20 back way to this place. So I made a turn, then I'm looking down=20 side streets, trying to recognize the house i was lookign for.=20 I wasnt' going too fast, but when I looked forward, there was a car=20 parked right in front of me. I hit the brakes thinking I'd just make=20 a hard stop, which i've done before, and practiced before.. but either my wheel was on leaves or my wheel was still slightly turned. so the=20 front wheel went right, and the bike and I went slam down forward and=20 to the left. Instantaniously. It happened so quick, my arms felt like they were=20 dangling at my sides, as I was slammed to the ground, I felt like a=20 human rocket. My forhead scraped on the ground about a foot, and the palm=20 stitching of my glove ripped, and two metal studs came out=20 (joe rocket meteors). So glad I was wearing the gear!!! my moto "buy the gear and make it last, and it will make you last" I'm going to have to go to a shoe shop and see if they can restitch it. I think the previous stitching acted as a perferation much like a check attatched to a form. Oh and my foot was sore. My knee got so lightly scraped there was no tear=20 in my jeans, and I didn't bleed either.=20 I thought my helmet was going to be so F@#!ed up. I was imagining some deep scrapes in the forehead. When I looked, it turned out all=20 the scrapes were on my visor and a small nick was on the helmet right=20 under the visor tab. I painted over that nick quick! My helmet is=20 black and i have black paint at home. I buffed the scratches on my visor=20 down but some deep ones are still there. So anyway, I went to my destination, told my little story to my=20 riding buddy, rode my bike home painted the little nick, buffed the=20 scratches off the shield ( well the small ones) and got on my zx6r, and kept riding! =20 Then we rode over to my other friend's house, and all day he never=20 knew I went down. I didnt tell him because he rides like he's still=20 scared of his ex250 anyway. So I didn't want to give him any more=20 reasons to be scared. (my other friend myron rides a ex250 too, he wants to sell it and get a 600, so if you know anyone...=20 it's a 2000 model in green 3k miles and he wants $2800 obo ($2500) ) So anyway, This is why I believe in having 2 bikes! If a crash won't get you, it surely will go under the wrench, and you won't be able to=20 ride, until it gets done, and who knows how long something might take. That's why I bought an older used cheap bike as my first bike, if=20 it went down, I wouldn't cry, like I would have, if I had a nice=20 pretty honda or kawasaki 600. Can you say expensive? I'm glad I=20 wasn't on my zx6r!=20 So anyway I know leon has some spare parts, hopefully if I need anything replaced, he'll have the parts to spare. Oh the damages: * a nick off the fairing and some large scratches, luckily no cracks. * Something in the steering is out of alignment or bent, the steering=20 is too crooked to ride it for fun, or on the beltway, but it can=20 get you home if stranded. Put it like this, it's misaligned way too much. * turn singal demolished. luckily no where near the fairing. So anyway, I'm not going to hide it and pretend it=20 didn't happen. I could easily hide it, ride my second bike, get=20 a new shield, and just tell people the nick came from droping the=20 helmet. But I think it takes a real man (or woman) to expose his (or her) mistakes with the intention of letting his/her lesson learned help others. It didn't happen because I can't ride, it happened because I wasn't=20 paying attention. Even the best riders go down, so of course everyone=20 else can. One of our well skilled (racing?) listers proved it last month, and I just made it more thorough, you can go down going fast or slow. The statement it's harder to ride slow than fast, rings true to me. Oh and watch out for those leaves! The important part is, you get back up safe, and don't lose your=20 love for riding. My foot was sore, but I had BIG fun riding the=20 600 today. My foot was so sore I was shifting up and down with=20 my heel! (it's sore midway between the big toe knuckle and ankle,=20 on top of the foot, right where the muscle is, and it hurt too much=20 to shift up!) You know how it feels when you sprain your ankle and=20 try to walk on it? like that. I did have the bad habbit of taking my eyes off the road, some of=20 you know how it is, checking out chicks, bikes, cars, etc. Well I just graduated with my expensive education! But anyway, i'm not=20 crying, I'm still riding, and had a ball today! I have a lot to be=20 grateful for.=20 So you might see me.. shifting with my heel on the mixmatched green=20 black and white zx6r! Say hi or tap your helmet so i'll know you're=20 a fellow lister! (or you might see me limping when I'm off of the bike) :) But that's if my foot doesn't feel any better tomoorow, I hope it does, because I don't like shifting like that. Even though I consider myself a qualified rider, it was definitely my fault. Paying attention definitely should be=20 considered a riding skill.. so my skill just got a little better. So I can see 3 good points to this story: 1. Anyone can go down 2. A brand new bike, might not be the best choice for a first bike 3. Keep your eyes on what's in front of you, and where you are going. (btw I don't think they stressed that enough in my class at PGCC :) I'll mention that to my instructor the next time I see him. It should be common sense, but I was dense enough to be distracted).=20 oh and to add insult to injury, we stopped at "rip off heyser cycles"=20 today checking out bikes, and I bumped into my MSF instructor haha.=20 I didnt want to tell him I dumped it, in front of my scared friend,=20 so I just was telling him about my zx6r. So even though that happened, I had a ball riding in the lovely=20 weather on a scenic route today!! sunnyside avenue to Powder=20 mill road through the agriculteral center, out and left on to 198 or 197 i think? and then making a right onto the road that goes past a modern nasa building, and coming out on greenbelt road. Not a particularly long ride, but still very enjoyable. Daniel zx6r, and misaligned ex250 :) gotta get it fixed! :) From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 7 09:31:34 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17951 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-143.patriot.net [209.249.180.143]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA11719; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:31:28 -0500 Message-ID: <38258B91.6865954@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 09:24:17 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumped the 250 ouch : ) References: <19991105185409.48575.qmail@hotmail.com> <38257155.202774158@mail.earthlink.net> <38275360.260650458@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A low speed fall-down is not uncommon. The cause is ussually having the handlebars turned and SNATCHING a handful of front brake. Remember - squeeezzzzeee. MSF training is aimmed at using both brakes, which is a good habit to get into, but personally, I tend to drag the rear brake at lower speeds. That way a surprise - pedestrians or those damn parked cars jumping in front of me - won't catch me cramping the front brake and doing the oh-so emmarrasing flop. Not to mention a close to 800 pound bike is a screaming bitch to pick up :-) Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I dumped my 250 today! SLAM! it happened QUICK! The reason? not > paying attention to what's in front of me. I was looking for the > back way to this place. So I made a turn, then I'm looking down > side streets, trying to recognize the house i was lookign for. > > I wasnt' going too fast, but when I looked forward, there was a car > parked right in front of me. I hit the brakes thinking I'd just make > a hard stop, which i've done before, and practiced before.. but either > > my wheel was on leaves or my wheel was still slightly turned. so the > front wheel went right, and the bike and I went slam down forward and > to the left. > From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 7 17:53:38 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24299 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:53:15 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip165.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip165.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.165]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA17290; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 14:52:57 -0800 (PST) To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dumped the 250 ouch : ) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 01:55:08 GMT Message-ID: <38262b8e.316000333@mail.earthlink.net> References: <19991105185409.48575.qmail@hotmail.com> <38257155.202774158@mail.earthlink.net> <38275360.260650458@mail.earthlink.net> <38258B91.6865954@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <38258B91.6865954@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well when you don't think you have room to squeeze you tend to snatch :) I used to tend to use my rear break too, I used both brakes, but apparently the wheel was turned or on leaves, and my plan didn't quite work out hehe. Had I been paying attention, I never would have been in that perdicament. I was re inspecting the bike today, and it's not as bad as I had thought. It probably is safe to ride on the beltway, just a little cockeyed, very slightly. I guess in my state of mind at the time tended to exagurate my evaulation. But it easy for me to feel when bars are slightly off.=20 Today I moved it i'd say 10 feet, and the bar is a little shakey, I suppose there is a bolt or nut on the inside of it that needs to be tightened. The steering was no wear near as crooked as I thought it was. I didn't take it on the street though, just been interupted too much today. I had planned on riding today, but havent' yet.=20 Kudos Daniel ex250/zx6r On Sun, 07 Nov 1999 09:24:17 -0500, you wrote: |>A low speed fall-down is not uncommon. The cause is ussually having the |>handlebars turned and SNATCHING a handful of front brake. Remember - |>squeeezzzzeee. MSF training is aimmed at using both brakes, which is a |>good habit to get into, but personally, I tend to drag the rear brake = at |>lower speeds. That way a surprise - pedestrians or those damn parked = cars |>jumping in front of me - won't catch me cramping the front brake and = doing |>the oh-so emmarrasing flop. Not to mention a close to 800 pound bike is= a |>screaming bitch to pick up :-) |> |>Bill |> |>daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: |> |>> I dumped my 250 today! SLAM! it happened QUICK! The reason? not |>> paying attention to what's in front of me. I was looking for the |>> back way to this place. So I made a turn, then I'm looking down |>> side streets, trying to recognize the house i was lookign for. |>> |>> I wasnt' going too fast, but when I looked forward, there was a car |>> parked right in front of me. I hit the brakes thinking I'd just make |>> a hard stop, which i've done before, and practiced before.. but = either |>> |>> my wheel was on leaves or my wheel was still slightly turned. so the |>> front wheel went right, and the bike and I went slam down forward and |>> to the left. |>> From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 7 22:50:34 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA28353 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana (216-164-128-174.s174.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.128.174]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31605 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:50:00 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991107224924.00c9f580@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 22:49:57 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Sportbike road registry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Has anyone seen this before? Passed by on the VFR list.... http://www.execpc.com/~ytk/ Sportbike road registry _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 01:12:51 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA00212 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 01:12:49 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip165.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip165.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.165]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA19541 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:12:42 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Newsgroups: _ Subject: my zx6r picture links Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 09:14:46 GMT Message-ID: <38278fd6.341676347@news.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit here's the deal i made: it's a 1995 kawasaki ninja zx6r. I paid $2000 and inherrited the following: * replaced fairings which might not be the correct model year or something, not secured as per specs (paint already described in previuos post) * some top end gasket has a slight oil leak * missing chain gaurd (prev owner says he has it) *brake caliper problem already described * the bars that the top of the screen mount to, well one of the screws in the frame was missing and the hole was stripped. ( I put a self taping screw in) * bend in lip of front rim * comes with spare gas tank and spare front rim that one looks the same as the on the bike though! spare tire though :) * front brake doesn't activate brake light * scratches on most of the plastic :) It rides good though, leon was with me when I met the guy to check out the bike, and he looked it over for me, and did a second test ride. Leon must be shooting for the good guy of the year award : ) Thanks again leon! :) Here's some pics of my new (used) bike: http://208.225.120.187/_ITM/pics/zx6r/zx6rsideview.jpg http://208.225.120.187/_ITM/pics/zx6r/zx6rside2.jpg http://208.225.120.187/_ITM/pics/zx6r/zx6r.jpg http://208.225.120.187/_ITM/pics/zx6r/bothbikes.jpg http://208.225.120.187/_ITM/pics/zx6r/bothbikes2.jpg Originally the deal was, $2250 and the guy puts it through inspection.. So I gave him $2000 and withheld $250 until it goes through inspection. but with the problems above, it's looking like I will get it inspection ready and deduct most or atleast some of that $250. that's the most I payed for any vehicle ever! (i'm 25), I never paid more than $600 for any vehicle before my ex250, then I paid $800 for that and put $225 into because heyser conned me being a newbie. But I don't miss any money that I've put into bikes! the fun/cost ratio made it seem like the bikes were free. hehe. Daniel spending more and more on bikes :) From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 10:34:53 1999 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08444 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id WKM04CBG; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:35:28 -0500 Message-ID: <009b01bf29fe$a5bfb6a0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" , "VFR List" Subject: Widder or Gerbing Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:33:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 I am deciding betweent the Gerbing Jacket liner (arms and torso, heated collar) or the Widder new system with arms. Price is about the same for each, so I am at a loss to pick one over the other. Give me your vote if you use one. Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 10:48:46 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08696 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:48:44 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256823.0057A6AC ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:57:23 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Mark Kitchell" cc: "DC Cycles" , "VFR List" Message-ID: <85256823.0057A3C5.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:43:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Widder or Gerbing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I use Gerbing and I love it! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Mark Kitchell" on 11/08/99 10:33:39 AM Please respond to "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" , "VFR List" cc: Subject: Widder or Gerbing I am deciding betweent the Gerbing Jacket liner (arms and torso, heated collar) or the Widder new system with arms. Price is about the same for each, so I am at a loss to pick one over the other. Give me your vote if you use one. Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 10:50:49 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08775 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25706 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:50:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (f150.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA16507 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:50:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 85661 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 1999 15:50:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19991108155036.85660.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.128.167.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Nov 1999 07:50:36 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.128.167.66] From: "vfr 800" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tie Downs -- What Brand? Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 07:50:36 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I will be trailering my VFR800 in an enclosed trailer and I am about to order some tie downs to secure it within. Do I *really* need to pay $15 a piece for Ancra tie downs, or will the plain Jane K-mart types work fine?? Keep in mind it will be trailered for 3k miles. TIA John 98VFR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 10:54:04 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08785 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:54:03 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip30.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip30.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.30]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA04458 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 07:54:00 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: micron exaust Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 18:55:57 GMT Message-ID: <38271bab.377478753@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh yeah, and my bike came with a micron exhaust can on it, but the seller also included the stock pipe. I wanted personal oppinions on pipes, what do you prefer and why.. as you see, it woulnd't cost me a thing to use either, so I want to weigh my options. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 11:00:33 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08930 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:00:31 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip30.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip30.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.30]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA08601; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:00:27 -0800 (PST) To: "Mark Kitchell" Cc: "DC Cycles" , "VFR List" Subject: Re: Widder or Gerbing Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:02:22 GMT Message-ID: <38281e27.378115527@mail.earthlink.net> References: <009b01bf29fe$a5bfb6a0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> In-Reply-To: <009b01bf29fe$a5bfb6a0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think gerber has a lifetime gaurantee. On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:33:39 -0500, you wrote: |>I am deciding betweent the Gerbing Jacket liner (arms and torso, heated |>collar) or the Widder new system with arms. Price is about the same = for |>each, so I am at a loss to pick one over the other. |> |>Give me your vote if you use one. |> |>Thanks |> |>Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 11:02:38 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08940 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:02:37 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip30.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip30.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.30]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA09866 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:02:34 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: oh yeah and it's a slip on I think. Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:04:30 GMT Message-ID: <38291e4a.378149912@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I noticed the micron doens't seem to get too hot. I don't know if the factory pipe would get hot, I'd rather someone not burn their leg on it ya know.=20 And I believe it's a slip on, it looks pretty easy to swap pipes.. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 11:05:35 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09019 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:05:26 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206CE82@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'vfr 800'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tie Downs -- What Brand? Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:05:26 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) John, I just the plain ones. I think the ones I have are rated at 1000 lbs. each. I bought a four pack at Costco for $15 and they have worked fine hauling my VFR. Be sure to get some of the nylon bits to secure to your bars as the tie downs don't directly work on sport bikes. You should be able to pick up two of these at any bike shop for less then $10. Glenn -----Original Message----- >I will be trailering my VFR800 in an enclosed trailer and I am about to >order some tie downs to secure it within. Do I *really* need to pay $15 a >piece for Ancra tie downs, or will the plain Jane K-mart types work fine?? >Keep in mind it will be trailered for 3k miles. >TIA From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 11:07:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09029 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25856 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:07:29 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22853 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:07:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ip30.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip30.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.30]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA12438; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:07:12 -0800 (PST) To: "vfr 800" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tie Downs -- What Brand? Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:09:08 GMT Message-ID: <382a1f65.378433232@mail.earthlink.net> References: <19991108155036.85660.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <19991108155036.85660.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got tie downs from hechinger, btw they are going out of business and may have them cheaper now. I've only used them once when having my friend's bike in the back of my pickup. Seemed to work okay. Just thought I'd post my limited experience if its worth anything heh heh. Daniel On Mon, 08 Nov 1999 07:50:36 PST, you wrote: |>I will be trailering my VFR800 in an enclosed trailer and I am about to= =20 |>order some tie downs to secure it within. Do I *really* need to pay = $15 a=20 |>piece for Ancra tie downs, or will the plain Jane K-mart types work = fine?? =20 |>Keep in mind it will be trailered for 3k miles. |>TIA |> |>John |>98VFR |> |>______________________________________________________ |>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 11:16:08 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09159 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:16:07 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA07446; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:15:28 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma013411; Mon, 8 Nov 99 10:57:33 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FKV00LOXZ6HTR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256823.00578788 ; Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:56:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:55:54 -0500 Subject: Sprocket Change Results To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256823.0057A3C1.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Thanks to everyone who answered my post about changing the front sprocket on my VTR. The comments were very helpful. Special thanks go to Danny Thompson for his help in changing the sprocket. (Actually he did pretty much ALL the work. I just held the tools.) Results: The bike wheelies REALLY easily now, especially off of bumps in the road. Sounds pretty squidly, but it sure as hell is fun. Going down one tooth on the front had a noticeable difference in torque especially in the lower rev ranges. It really leaps out of corner exits. When I first tested it going up and down Danny's street, it didn't feel much different, but at higher speeds out on the road (211 for example) it was a world of difference. I don't know how this change would affect in-line fours, but it's certainly a worthwhile change on my v-twin. Thanks again for the help from the list. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 11:19:16 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09169 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:19:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:18:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199911081118.AA262430@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" , "Mark Kitchell" Subject: Re: Widder or Gerbing X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Mark Kitchell" >I am deciding betweent the Gerbing Jacket liner (arms and torso, heated >collar) or the Widder new system with arms. Price is about the same for >each, so I am at a loss to pick one over the other. > >Give me your vote if you use one. With my apologies to Pat Widder (a great supporter of motorcycling and LDriding) - I've got to vote for the Gerbing. One jacket, one zipper, one plug (actually 4 plugs, if you opt for the heated pants and gloves), totally warm torso. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 11:21:38 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09268 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:21:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:21:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199911081121.AA459048@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "Mark Kitchell" CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Widder or Gerbing X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:02:22 GMT >I think gerber has a lifetime gaurantee. Gerbing does have a lifetime guarantee, on the electrics. If any part of the wiring harness, etc. fails, they'll fix you up. This guarantee doesn't apply, however, to the fabric/zippers/etc. I've not had to make a warranty claim as of yet, will keep you all posted if I do. -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 11:24:25 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09278 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsdell5av0f (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA26208; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:29:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <010d01bf2a05$38ad2e60$4d5f800a@tsdell5av0f.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , "'vfr 800'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Tie Downs -- What Brand? Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:20:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Get some big ass zip ties...Just kidding... The regular ones shoudl work just fine as long as they secure to your bike withour scratching anything and stay on. I would suggest using some vaseline on the fairing at any places where the nylon straps might rub against it. That will keep it from scratching it up... Kirt 99 F4 >-----Original Message----- >>I will be trailering my VFR800 in an enclosed trailer and I am about to >>order some tie downs to secure it within. Do I *really* need to pay $15 a >>piece for Ancra tie downs, or will the plain Jane K-mart types work fine?? > >>Keep in mind it will be trailered for 3k miles. >>TIA > From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 11:41:54 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09474 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:41:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA19927; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:40:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000901bf2a08$6a8d18c0$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , "vfr 800" References: <19991108155036.85660.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Tie Downs -- What Brand? Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:43:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Find the "Canyon Dancer" tie-downs. They will protect your clip-ons and your plastic. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV '93 DR 350 (sold) ----- Original Message ----- From: vfr 800 To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 10:50 AM Subject: Tie Downs -- What Brand? > I will be trailering my VFR800 in an enclosed trailer and I am about to > order some tie downs to secure it within. Do I *really* need to pay $15 a > piece for Ancra tie downs, or will the plain Jane K-mart types work fine?? > Keep in mind it will be trailered for 3k miles. > TIA > > John > 98VFR > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 11:54:50 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09662 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:54:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsdell5av0f (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12020 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:00:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <015401bf2a09$7d714230$4d5f800a@tsdell5av0f.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: Sprocket Change Results Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:51:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Thanks to everyone who answered my post about changing the front sprocket >on my VTR. The comments were very helpful. Special thanks go to Danny >Thompson for his help in changing the sprocket. (Actually he did pretty >much ALL the work. I just held the tools.) > Danny is the MAN, and in addition to helping you work/fix up/wrench on your bike, he'll take you on tour of the good roads in his area. >Results: The bike wheelies REALLY easily now, especially off of bumps in >the road. Sounds pretty squidly, but it sure as hell is fun. Going down one >tooth on the front had a noticeable difference in torque especially in the >lower rev ranges. It really leaps out of corner exits. When I first tested >it going up and down Danny's street, it didn't feel much different, but at >higher speeds out on the road (211 for example) it was a world of >difference. I don't know how this change would affect in-line fours, but >it's certainly a worthwhile change on my v-twin. World o' difference on the F4 too... I can clutch them up pretty consistently in 2nd, and have down it a total of 8 times in 3rd (although the don't get very high in 3rd). Love it... Kirt 99 F4 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 12:07:29 1999 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09892 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:07:28 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 2ZVQ0P8Sp0 (3961) for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:06:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.e4bf56da.25585d2b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:06:51 EST Subject: Re: RE: Tie Downs -- What Brand? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 >>I will be trailering my VFR800 in an enclosed trailer and I am about to >>order some tie downs to secure it within. Do I *really* need to pay $15 a >>piece for Ancra tie downs, or will the plain Jane K-mart types work fine?? Once I used a pair of brand X tie downs to move my 1960 BMW about 25 miles. During the trip, one of the hooks straightened out enough for it to come loose from the hook inside the van and the bike fell over. Unreplaceable parts were dented. Now I have Ancra tie downs. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 12:09:31 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09917 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:09:16 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip30.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip30.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.30]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA20413 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:09:13 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: my zx6r picture links Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 20:11:06 GMT Message-ID: <382c2adf.381372047@mail.earthlink.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey don hope you don't mind that I post this publicly, I thought other people might find it interesting. On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:06:52 -0500 , you wrote: |>How hard did the guy who you bought the bike from admit to crashing? = From |>the photos and the description I would imagine it was crashed pretty = hard. |>But I'm sure Leon did a pretty good once over on it for you so I'm sure= its |>sound. Just curious. |> |>Don B. He claimed the bike was backed into and thus the damage to need new fairing but... he also at times mentioned that he liked to do wheelies and also totalled a previous bike, and that he rides hard.... He tried to conceal it a little, and bs a little, but some things became clear. So of course the bike was abused, but he didn't do any major damage to it. It's got a little over 2000, maybe 2500 miles on it, in the 3 years he had it. He was the original owner. I've put that on my first bike, ex250 that I've had since june. The guy seems decent and friendly enough though. I'd ride with him, but I'd be more inclined to stay behind him than in front of him. I'd imagine that's how it'd end up anyway. Daniel |>> -----Original Message----- |>> From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [SMTP:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] |>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 4:15 AM |>> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX |>> Subject: my zx6r picture links |>>=20 |>>=20 |>> here's the deal i made: |>>=20 |>> it's a 1995 kawasaki ninja zx6r. I paid $2000 and inherrited the |>> following: |>>=20 |>> * replaced fairings which might not be the correct model year or |>> something, not secured as per specs (paint already described in |>> previuos post) |>>=20 |>> * some top end gasket has a slight oil leak |>>=20 |>> * missing chain gaurd (prev owner says he has it) |>>=20 |>> *brake caliper problem already described |>>=20 |>> * the bars that the top of the screen mount to, well one of the = screws |>> in the frame was missing and the hole was stripped. ( I put a self |>> taping screw in) |>>=20 |>> * bend in lip of front rim |>>=20 |>> * comes with spare gas tank and spare front rim that one looks the |>> same as the on the bike though! spare tire though :) |>>=20 |>> * front brake doesn't activate brake light |>>=20 |>> * scratches on most of the plastic :) |>>=20 |>> It rides good though, leon was with me when I met the guy to check = out |>> the bike, and he looked it over for me, and did a second test ride. |>> Leon must be shooting for the good guy of the year award : ) Thanks |>> again leon! :) |>>=20 |>> Here's some pics of my new (used) bike: |>>=20 |>> http://208.225.120.187/_ITM/pics/zx6r/zx6rsideview.jpg |>>=20 |>> http://208.225.120.187/_ITM/pics/zx6r/zx6rside2.jpg |>>=20 |>> http://208.225.120.187/_ITM/pics/zx6r/zx6r.jpg |>>=20 |>> http://208.225.120.187/_ITM/pics/zx6r/bothbikes.jpg |>>=20 |>> http://208.225.120.187/_ITM/pics/zx6r/bothbikes2.jpg =09 |>>=20 |>> Originally the deal was, $2250 and the guy puts it through |>> inspection.. So I gave him $2000 and withheld $250 until it goes |>> through inspection. but with the problems above, it's looking like I |>> will get it inspection ready and deduct most or atleast some of that |>> $250. |>>=20 |>> that's the most I payed for any vehicle ever! (i'm 25), I never paid |>> more than $600 for any vehicle before my ex250, then I paid $800 for |>> that and put $225 into because heyser conned me being a newbie. |>>=20 |>> But I don't miss any money that I've put into bikes! the fun/cost |>> ratio made it seem like the bikes were free. hehe. |>>=20 |>> Daniel |>> spending more and more on bikes :)=20 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 12:16:30 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10056 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:16:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA09305 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:14:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002d01bf2a0d$402e97c0$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <85256823.0057A3C1.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Subject: Re: Sprocket Change Results Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:18:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 10:55 AM Subject: Sprocket Change Results > Thanks to everyone who answered my post about changing the front sprocket > on my VTR. The comments were very helpful. Special thanks go to Danny > Thompson for his help in changing the sprocket. (Actually he did pretty > much ALL the work. I just held the tools.) Well I didn't think it was worth both of us getting our hands dirty on such a simple job. Of course now it is Chris' baby when it comes to changing it ever again. :) My pleasure to help out! Danny '99 VFR '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 12:34:46 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10247 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:34:38 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206CE83@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tie Downs -- What Brand? Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:34:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Let me give my experience with the "Canyon Dancer" that crosses over the clip on to provide "equal pressure" on the clip ons and the front end in general. If you have a VFR800 don't use it. The Canyon Dancer I used rode up the clip ons and broke the pod that holds the turn signal switch, choke, etc. Also with this device you still have to use regular tie downs. Just get the regular extension bits and wrap them around the bars. On my truck this also pulls the ties down plenty away from the bike that rags, Vaseline, etc isn't necessary. Glenn -----Original Message----- Find the "Canyon Dancer" tie-downs. They will protect your clip-ons and your plastic. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 13:28:03 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11287 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:28:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA05785 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:27:57 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991108131837.00736b58@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:18:37 -0500 To: "DC Cycles" From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Widder or Gerbing In-Reply-To: <199911081118.AA262430@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >With my apologies to Pat Widder (a great supporter of motorcycling >and LDriding) - I've got to vote for the Gerbing. One jacket, one >zipper, one plug (actually 4 plugs, if you opt for the heated pants >and gloves), totally warm torso. > >Horkster I've got to believe you've never actually seen the Widder system. The arm chaps attach to the vest with two snaps each, and the snaps also are the electrical conductors. So you never have to disconnect and reconnect the arms (unless you want to ride without them, which isn't an option with the Gerbing). And the gloves plug into the end of the arm chaps--you don't need a separate wiring harness for them. So only one wire connects everything to the bike, just like Gerbing. I'm not trying to knock the Gerbing at all, but rather to correct what seems to be a misunderstanding about the Widder system. The Gerbing's probably a litte easier to put on and off. The Widder offers more flexibility (use with or without the arms), and may fit insidet he sleeves of some jackets more easily. Both will keep you warm. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 13:28:06 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11290 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:28:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA05753; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:27:55 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991108131349.007362a4@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:13:49 -0500 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, "Mark Kitchell" From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Widder or Gerbing Cc: "DC Cycles" , "VFR List" In-Reply-To: <38281e27.378115527@mail.earthlink.net> References: <009b01bf29fe$a5bfb6a0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> <009b01bf29fe$a5bfb6a0$3e1bf9d0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:02 PM 11/8/99 GMT, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: >I think gerber has a lifetime gaurantee. > Actually, I think Gerber only guarantees things up to age 3 . FWIW, I had a pair of Widder gloves fail after a couple of years, and Pat Widder was happy to replace them for me even though the warranty was up. I think the realy answer to the original question is that if you're going to ride in winter, get electrics. ANY electrics. You'll be very, very glad you did. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 13:28:00 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11284 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:27:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA05713 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:27:54 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991108131112.007346ec@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:11:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Widder or Gerbing In-Reply-To: <009b01bf29fe$a5bfb6a0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrateg ies.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:33 AM 11/8/99 -0500, Mark Kitchell wrote: >I am deciding betweent the Gerbing Jacket liner (arms and torso, heated >collar) or the Widder new system with arms. Price is about the same for >each, so I am at a loss to pick one over the other. > >Give me your vote if you use one. I've not used the Gerbing, but I'm very pleased with my new System II vest and arm chaps. I sent a message to the list in answer to a question (yours?) a few days ago. If you can't find it, let me know and I'll send it to you. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 16:09:33 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13700 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:09:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:09:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199911081609.AA32047352@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "Horkster" Subject: Snell testing of flip up helmets X-Mailer: Folks, A while back I posted that the Snell Foundation had not tested flip-face type helmets - here's some reliable recent information to the contrary. Interesting reading. Regards, Horkster --------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sam Lepore Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 00:36:29 -0800 Subject: LDRider: Snell testing of flip up helmets This past Saturday I had the pleasure of touring the Snell Memorial Foundation helmet testing facility near Sacramento, California. It is quite amazing how precise and complete they are in their test scenarios for different sizes and styles of helmets. They invent, design, and build all their own equipment, and they run one of the cleanest 'dirty work' labs I've seen yet. I was impressed. During our discussions, I asked why they do not have a standard for testing flip up helmets, like the BMW (Schuberth), Shoei, Bieffe, and Nolan ? Actually, as I was told, they have tested them. But the Snell Board of Directors refuses to certify a standard for flip up helmets because every helmet so far has failed one test: it is possible for a severe blow to cause the chin bar to permanently lock in place. An absolute requirement of any helmet standard certified by Snell is that the helmet must (quote): "be able to be removed with standard pocket tools in less than 30 seconds". (A standard pocket tool is a knife to cut the strap.) The contention is that once the chin bar locks, it is impossible to get the helmet off without 'serious' tools (i.e. saw). Hmmmm. I looked at my BMW System I, my BMW System III, and my Nolan 100 helmet. Each of those models has a fabric under-the-chin guard that closes against the neck. With the helmet closed but not strapped (as though the strap were cut), I have no problem pulling the helmet off even with the guards in place. It is my observation that the bottom opening of these helmets is as large as the outer edge of the helmet ... and without the guards in place the helmet can be put on or taken off just like a full face helmet. I can't speak for other brands ... but this leaves me to question the truth of the Snell claim. The Snell person told me none of the flip up helmet makers will submit a helmet because they know it will fail ... but Snell won't accept a flip up helmet standard until a helmet can pass the test. I have an opinion of this double speak ... but instead let me say that for Snell to *intentionally* ignore a rapidly expanding segment of the helmet market that is growing in popularity with or without their approval is a dereliction of their self-proclaimed duty - and tugs at the strings of ethicality. _________________________ Sam Lepore, San Francisco From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 16:29:06 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14057 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA28047 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11866 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-4.patriot.net [209.249.180.4]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA10775; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:28:56 -0500 Message-ID: <38273EE7.4546F95F@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:21:43 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vfr 800 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tie Downs -- What Brand? References: <19991108155036.85660.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit $15 !!! Try a couple bucks worth of 1/4" nylon rope and use the West Virginia Half Hitch system. Works every time. Bill vfr 800 wrote: > I will be trailering my VFR800 in an enclosed trailer and I am about to > order some tie downs to secure it within. Do I *really* need to pay $15 a > piece for Ancra tie downs, or will the plain Jane K-mart types work fine?? > Keep in mind it will be trailered for 3k miles. > TIA > > John > 98VFR > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 16:42:19 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14317 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:42:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:42:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199911081642.AA18940058@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Snell testing of flip up helmets X-Mailer: Some Guy on a bike wrote: >I can't get my Nolan N100 off without raising the chin-bar. I don't think I can, either. My Nolan is a pretty snug fit, once it is closed. This is definitely something to think about. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- ---------- Original Message ------------------------ From: Bill12X@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:34:06 EST I can't get my Nolan N100 off without raising the chin-bar. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 18:25:31 1999 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA15893 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:25:29 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 2CWTa07972 (3890) for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:24:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.85e844ef.2558b5b6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:24:38 EST Subject: DC-Cycles Racing CMP report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC Cycles) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 DC-Cycles Racing was represented at Carolina Motorsports Park by myself and Brad Faas this weekend. All and all, the weekend was great - sunny, 70 degrees, and lots of racers. It was almost down to freezing at night, which was a little chilly and led to a trash can catching on fire due to some hot coals not noticed the next morning by yours truly, but I digress... Brad's second-ever race weekend went well. He got faster every time he took to the track, shaving multiple seconds off his fastest lap time from previous sessions. I don't have his results in front of me, but I know for a fact he beat several riders with more race experience in each of his races, starting from the back of the grid each time. One small occurrence of agricultural racing was experienced, but he kept it on two wheels - no harm no foul! My races also went well, the best being a tenth place in Lightweight Superbike starting from the back of the 23 bike grid (CCS lets whomever pays first start at the front ... no comment. Brad and I both registered at the track and were always in the back). This was a very pleasing finish for myself as my bike wasn't shifting into 5th gear most of the time (forget about 6th!) due to some technical issue my sponsor will be fixing later this week. Only one off track excursion was experienced as I and the guy I was battling in Middleweight GP both ran out of the last turn going for the checkered (we both came right back on course). His 200cc and 30HP advantage got me at the line by 3 bike lengths, but it was a great race nonetheless. Next year this bike is going to be an SV killer (shhh... don't tell Randy and John, they'll make me eat my words...) DC-Cycles racing (at least here in DC - Hiya Collin and Bryan!) is done for the season, and will be back in action at Summit Point for the WERA opener in April, unless withdrawal becomes a serious problem and we are forced to travel to Daytona in March for the CCS event ;) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 18:45:36 1999 Return-Path: jmoran@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16245 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling2-16.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FKW00D86KN5KS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:45:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 18:49:01 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Racing CMP report To: DC cycles list Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <38275350.F10D74CF@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <0.85e844ef.2558b5b6@aol.com> Cool report, Brian. I'm glad to hear that the weekend went well and that DC-Cycles racing was well-represented. Bummer about the last two gears...You'll need those next year. : ) Randy Brian Roach wrote: > > DC-Cycles racing (at least here in DC - Hiya Collin and Bryan!) is done for > the season, and will be back in action at Summit Point for the WERA opener in > April, unless withdrawal becomes a serious problem and we are forced to > travel to Daytona in March for the CCS event ;) From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 19:25:06 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA16875 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA19432 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:24:51 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991108192547.0072a510@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:25:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Snell testing of flip up helmets In-Reply-To: <199911081609.AA32047352@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:09 PM 11/8/99 -0500, you wrote: > >I have an opinion of this double speak ... but instead let me say that >for Snell to *intentionally* ignore a rapidly expanding segment of the >helmet market that is growing in popularity with or without their >approval is a dereliction of their self-proclaimed duty - and tugs at >the strings of ethicality. Hmm, I'm not so sure I agree with this. First off, Snell relies on manufactuers to submit helmets for test. Second, no one can force a manufacturer to submit a helmet, or to put a Snell sticker on a helmet that passed (or failed, for that matter ). Snell's a private foundation, not a government supported lab, and there's no legal requirement for helmets to pass the Snell tests. And, in order to get the cooperation of the helmet makers, Snell agrees to only identify helmets that pass, not those that fail. It might well be unethical, and possibly illegal, for Snell to release test results on helmets that had not been submitted to them by the manufacturer. If the manufacturer makes a helmet knowing full well that it won't meet Snell standards, and choose to sell it as only a DOT helmet, that's their right. If Shoei chooses not to submit the synchrotec for testing, that's their right. But when a helmet that expensive doesn't have a Snell sticker, I think you can pretty well judge that it didn't, or wouldn't pass. If you choose to buy only Snell approved helmets that's certainly your choice (and a good one, I think), but others are entitled to their choices, too. Personally, I wouldn't want to buy a "Snell" approved flip face helmet and wonder just how much of a compromise that particular Snell approval is. I want my Snell helmet to offer full protection in any crash, not just ones that don't involve the chin bar. If Shoei really want's a Snell cert for that helmet, they'll figure out a way to make the latches more solid. And maybe then I'll buy one. > > ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 19:51:22 1999 Return-Path: jbroga@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17321 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (sterling-91.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FKW00E9TNOJ1V@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:50:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:50:19 -0800 From: jambroga Subject: Re: DC-Cycles Racing CMP report To: DC Cycles Message-id: <002301bf2a65$8b06b7c0$5b2fbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <0.85e844ef.2558b5b6@aol.com> X-Priority: 3 Hey Brian - were you on the new bike or the back up? It seems an SV can chew up even a breathed-on stateside 400 with equal riders, but that RR deal will be a a whole new ball game. How was the track? I have never been outside of Summit so I am curious how it compares in the fun factor to other tracks. I am anxious for spring already . . . Jonathan PS for any other game geeks out there like me, I downloaded the Motorsims AMA Superbike Demo and it blows. Waste of time. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: DC Cycles Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 3:24 PM Subject: DC-Cycles Racing CMP report > > DC-Cycles Racing was represented at Carolina Motorsports Park by myself and > Brad Faas this weekend. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 8 20:45:39 1999 Return-Path: vfr800@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f28.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.28]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA18105 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:45:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 86460 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 1999 01:45:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19991109014506.86459.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.30.176.145 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Nov 1999 17:45:06 PST X-Originating-IP: [38.30.176.145] From: "vfr 800" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Widder or Gerbing Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 17:45:06 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After about 1 months use, I had a Gerbing thermostat fail on my way down to the Atlanta bike show last Feburary '99. The Gerbing rep. at the show traded me a new one on the spot when she became aware where I came from. Nice lady, nice company. John 98VFR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 08:07:22 1999 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com (e1.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28175 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:07:20 -0500 (EST) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA87876; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:06:23 -0500 Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id IAA34074; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:06:42 -0500 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256824.0048087F ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:06:47 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: horkster@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256824.0047B9C1.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:03:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Snell testing of flip up helmets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Dale wrote: >>I don't think I can, either. My Nolan is a pretty snug >>fit, once it is closed. And, don't forget about us older folks who need eyeglasses. I'd hate to have soemone try to remove my fullface helmet without first opening the visor and removing my glasses............. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 08:32:54 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28528 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01245 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:35:16 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D88B5@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: much thanks / Saturday awesome riding Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:35:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Just a quick note to thank the rider who pointed down to the rock in the middle of the road last Saturday at around 2 p.m. You were riding a Red or Maroon cruiser-type bike. We were heading north on Stuart Road after having turned off Elden Street (Baron Cameron) in the Reston, Virginia area. I had a black helmet with blue jacket while riding the grey Seca 750. On a note more of interest to the list as a whole, boy do I love going through lots of gas on a sunny warm fall day. Northern Virginia looked packed with bikes, I saw more on Route 28 alone that day than I had seen the whole week before. Happy riding y'all, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 10:15:22 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00145 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:15:21 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip165.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip165.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.165]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA09171 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:15:17 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: rear brake Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 18:17:39 GMT Message-ID: <382960e0.65638355@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I noticed the rear brake on the zx6r can stop you. Not the proper distance of course, but it is partially working. I also notice when applied, the brake squeaks. Much like a car when it's first starting to hit that sensor tab. But the pads are fine, thicker than what I'm used to seeing. I stopped by pep boys in laurel saturday, they didnt' have the speed bleed screw, they said they were behind the times and just getting in the bright headlights. Anyone know if autozone carries them? Also how many times do you pump-up-open-close the bleeder screw typically? Since I'm not familiar with doing it on bikes, I don't know if it should feel firm after 2 times, 5 times, or 10 times, etc. So I'd like to know about that, and if the brake squeeking is an indication of anything, I'm guessing it's seperate for why the brake isn'tt working (since it bottoms out) and that either the pads are glazed or it needs that anti friction coat behind the pads.. sound right to you? From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 10:21:07 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00247 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11lD4r-00055x-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:20:57 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:20:55 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ed Bargy school opinions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm considering signing up for the Ed Bargy riding school and was wondering if anyone on the list has had any experience(or opinions) with this outfit. Thanks, ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 10:48:11 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00598 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA19323 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:48:05 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:46:25 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF2A9F.ABBCB160.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: only a few days left. Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:46:24 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Deadline for Yamaha's contest is 11/21 http://www.yamahausa.com/ADS/HILFIGER/thr6_ad.html Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP AMA 663626 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 11:00:07 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00814 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:00:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:00:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199911091100.AA34537636@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Snell testing of flip up helmets X-Mailer: Last night I determined that I am in fact able to remove the Nolan N-100 without opening the chinbar. It was a tight squeeze, the glasses had to come off first, and I wouldn't want to put it back on that way, but it can come off. Whew! I know I am probably giving up some protection over a true full face helmet in the event of a crash, but I figure I've got more protection than my old 3/4 helmet. Ya pays yer money and you takes yer chances, in everything. Regards, Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 11:14:50 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01044 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:14:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA22473 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:20:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <010301bf2acd$d1f01e20$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: Ed Bargy school opinions Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:16:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 When and where? I am looking for a shcool to attend also. Let me know please Hugh. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV '93 DR 350 (sold) ----- Original Message ----- From: Hugh Caldwell To: Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 10:20 AM Subject: Ed Bargy school opinions > > I'm considering signing up for the Ed Bargy riding > school and was wondering if anyone on the list has had > any experience(or opinions) with this outfit. > > Thanks, > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 12:40:29 1999 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02433 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:40:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.83] ([192.168.1.83]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA19289 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:36:43 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010301bf2acd$d1f01e20$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> References: <010301bf2acd$d1f01e20$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:40:11 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Re: Ed Bargy school opinions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I would also be interested in attending a riding school- it occurs to me that if we have enough people interested, we might well be able to negotiate a more advantageous rate. Thanks, Ned Suesse >When and where? I am looking for a shcool to attend also. Let me know please >Hugh. > >Danny >'99 VFR >'99 SV >'93 DR 350 (sold) >----- Original Message ----- >From: Hugh Caldwell >To: >Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 10:20 AM >Subject: Ed Bargy school opinions > > > > > > I'm considering signing up for the Ed Bargy riding > > school and was wondering if anyone on the list has had > > any experience(or opinions) with this outfit. > > > > Thanks, > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 13:24:30 1999 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03301 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id WSN38756; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:25:07 -0500 Message-ID: <022201bf2adf$822e28c0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Any experience with Hein Gericke Boost Suits? Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:23:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 I may be able to get the Boost pants and Jacket for $300 or less. Are these anygood for winter/wet riding? mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 13:32:40 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03473 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11lG4F-000304-00; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:32:31 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:32:30 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: Danny Thompson cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ed Bargy school opinions In-Reply-To: <010301bf2acd$d1f01e20$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What interested me about the school is that it's fairly close (Georgia) and they have a class before the beginning of the racing season (January). Here is the URL: http://www.mindspring.com/~ebrs/ On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Danny Thompson wrote: > When and where? I am looking for a shcool to attend also. Let me know please > Hugh. > > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV > '93 DR 350 (sold) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hugh Caldwell > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 10:20 AM > Subject: Ed Bargy school opinions > > > > > > I'm considering signing up for the Ed Bargy riding > > school and was wondering if anyone on the list has had > > any experience(or opinions) with this outfit. > > > > Thanks, > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 13:37:32 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03564 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11lG8s-0003c5-00; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:37:18 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:37:15 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: Ned Suesse cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ed Bargy school opinions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The class is in Georgia in January. Here is the URL: http://www.mindspring.com/~ebrs/ On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Ned Suesse wrote: > I would also be interested in attending a riding school- it occurs to > me that if we have enough people interested, we might well be able to > negotiate a more advantageous rate. > > Thanks, > Ned Suesse > > >When and where? I am looking for a shcool to attend also. Let me know please > >Hugh. > > > >Danny > >'99 VFR > >'99 SV > >'93 DR 350 (sold) > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Hugh Caldwell > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 10:20 AM > >Subject: Ed Bargy school opinions > > > > > > > > > > I'm considering signing up for the Ed Bargy riding > > > school and was wondering if anyone on the list has had > > > any experience(or opinions) with this outfit. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 13:51:08 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03801 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:51:06 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip165.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip165.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.165]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05635; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:50:43 -0800 (PST) To: Ned Suesse Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ed Bargy school opinions Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 21:53:07 GMT Message-ID: <38289106.77965625@mail.earthlink.net> References: <010301bf2acd$d1f01e20$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How much do they typically cost? and where is that one located? On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:40:11 -0500, you wrote: |>I would also be interested in attending a riding school- it occurs to=20 |>me that if we have enough people interested, we might well be able to=20 |>negotiate a more advantageous rate. |> |>Thanks, |>Ned Suesse |> |>>When and where? I am looking for a shcool to attend also. Let me know = please |>>Hugh. |>> |>>Danny |>>'99 VFR |>>'99 SV |>>'93 DR 350 (sold) |>>----- Original Message ----- |>>From: Hugh Caldwell |>>To: |>>Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 10:20 AM |>>Subject: Ed Bargy school opinions |>> |>> |>> > |>> > I'm considering signing up for the Ed Bargy riding |>> > school and was wondering if anyone on the list has had |>> > any experience(or opinions) with this outfit. |>> > |>> > Thanks, |>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------- |>> > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI |>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------- |>> > |>> > |>> > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 13:53:48 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from webshield2.na.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [208.228.228.175]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03821 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:53:46 -0500 (EST) Received: FROM na-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.na.nai.com ; Tue Nov 09 10:55:26 1999 -0800 Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:53:34 -0800 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B4B29BD@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Any experience with Hein Gericke Boost Suits? Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:50:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, I got the HG Boost pants to replace the FG Kilimanjaro pants that got wasted when I high-sided. I would have gotten another Kilimanjaro, but they didn't have my size in stock, but they did have the Boost in stock. The Boost pants seemed comparable, overall. I currently wear the Boost pants with the Kilimanjaro coat. I haven't thoroughly tested the pants for long-term exposure to water, but I find them quite comfortable for warmth. I've never even used the removable liner on the pants. One feature that I don't like about the Boost pants is that they are difficult to get on and off over boots. The Kilimanjaro pants had full length leg zippers covered with a velco flap. They were a breeze to get in and didn't have any leakage problems. The Boost pants just have kind of a "bell-bottom" opening that closes with a velcro flap. Also, I'm not sure that the soft armor in the Boost pants is as good as that in the Kilimanjaro. I don't plan on testing the Boost pants, though. Testing the Kilimanjaro was quite enough, thank you very much! ;^) I can't say anything about the Boost jacket, but I love my Kilimanjaro. Ever since I got the Widder electric vest, I've not even used the jacket liner. I have field tested the rain proofing on the Kilimanjaro and it is VERY good. Again, I would think that the Boost jacket is fairly comparable. $300 for the set sounds like a pretty good deal. Perry -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:mKitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 1:23 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Any experience with Hein Gericke Boost Suits? I may be able to get the Boost pants and Jacket for $300 or less. Are these anygood for winter/wet riding? mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 14:07:18 1999 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04032 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id WSN3876X; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:07:56 -0500 Message-ID: <026501bf2ae5$7dce1b40$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Women leather bargin on ebay Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:06:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Nice suit at $90 now (Hein Gerike) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=196615320 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 14:30:52 1999 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04483 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:30:51 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 2COHv9PL5_ (3967) for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:30:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.8d1a7ebf.2559d044@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:30:12 EST Subject: Re: Ed Bargy school opinions To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 I (and Brad I'm pretty sure) am going to be taking the Keith Code school either at the new VIR or at Poccono in May if anyone is interested. My friend Gil from work is also probably going. I took the Level 1 class last year and got quite a bit out of it. I would say 99% of it applies to the street as well as the racetrack. On a related note... I'm planing on going to Vegas the week that includes Jan 27 - 28 to vacation and take the Freddy Spencer Race School... THAT should be a blast. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 14:43:28 1999 Return-Path: lisa@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04694 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:43:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id OAA29825 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:44:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991109144406.007ceec0@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 14:44:06 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: race school for Women Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reduc Sportbike Association's Performance Cornering School for Women at Pocono is taking shape. They are thinking about three levels: 1)introductory, for those who have never been on a track 2) intermediate and 3) advanced. They are looking at May 27th (Memorail Day weekend) or Sept 2-3 (Labor day weekend) If you are interested please contact: Ladyduc@XXXXXX Lisa From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 14:49:49 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04781 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:49:47 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA17430; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:49:41 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma022069; Tue, 9 Nov 99 14:08:01 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FKY009I72NE4G@XXXXXX>; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256824.0068ED71 ; Tue, 09 Nov 1999 14:06:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 14:06:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Any experience with Hein Gericke Boost Suits? To: Mark Kitchell Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <85256824.0068F6C8.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL I have a pair of the Boost pants. They fit well and are good for cold weather riding. I used them on the trip down to Daytona recently, and they were great - waterproof (enough) and warm enough for the cold snap we experienced at the end of the trip. The pants come with a quilted liner that can be zipped out for warmer weather or left in for colder stuff. I didn't use the liner on the trip, and it would have made the colder weather (40s+80mph) even more of a snap. The pants seem very well made, and I have had no complaints since I got them last Christmas. You may still want to get an electric vest and/or layer under the suit if you're going to ride in the 30s or below. I have a First Gear Kenya jacket which matches the pants nearly perfectly. I believe that FG owns HG or vice versa, and it shows in the quality of their gear and the materials they use. Chris Weaver '98 VTR From: Mark Kitchell Date: 11/09/99 06:23:17 PM GMT Subject: Any experience with Hein Gericke Boost Suits? I may be able to get the Boost pants and Jacket for $300 or less. Are these anygood for winter/wet riding? mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 15:15:17 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05196 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:15:16 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA20791; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:14:53 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma022481; Tue, 9 Nov 99 14:30:18 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FKY00ELE3P172@XXXXXX>; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:34:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256824.006AFEEE ; Tue, 09 Nov 1999 14:28:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 14:28:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Ed Bargy school opinions To: Hugh Caldwell Cc: Danny Thompson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256824.006B06FF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Closer than Georgia, even. They're saying they now have dates at the new Virginia Motorsports Park in southern VA. Chris Weaver VTR To: Danny Thompson cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Hugh Caldwell Date: 11/09/99 06:32:30 PM GMT Subject: Re: Ed Bargy school opinions What interested me about the school is that it's fairly close (Georgia) and they have a class before the beginning of the racing season (January). Here is the URL: http://www.mindspring.com/~ebrs/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 15:24:42 1999 Return-Path: dave@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05307 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:24:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11lHoV-0004iQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:24:23 -0500 Received: from david500 ([209.70.174.26]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA16772 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:24:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002101bf2af1$8f6662c0$1aae46d1@bdanet.com> From: "Dave Cross" To: References: <3.0.6.32.19991109144406.007ceec0@kivex.com> Subject: Re: race school for Women Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:32:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Reduc Sportbike Association's Performance Cornering School for Women at > Pocono is taking shape. I'm not trying to open up a can of worms, but why do women need their own racing school? It is just a marketing "gimmick" or do women have special needs I may not be aware of? Dave From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 15:35:59 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05550 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA24293 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:41:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004101bf2af2$4ea74320$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Re: Ed Bargy school opinions Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:37:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Chris Weaver wrote: > Closer than Georgia, even. They're saying they now have dates at the new > Virginia Motorsports Park in southern VA. > > Chris Weaver > VTR What about it Chris, Hugh, Brian, Brad, Daniel, Ned, and anybody else? Let's get a big group together and go take the school at Va Motorsports Park! Danny '99 VFR '99 SV '93 DR 350 (sold) From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 15:37:45 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from relay04.netaddress.usa.net (relay04.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.184]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05560 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28506 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1999 20:37:12 -0000 Received: from www0y.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.54) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 9 Nov 1999 20:37:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 18184 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 1999 20:37:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19991109203712.18183.qmail@www0y.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.54 by www0y for [162.70.129.217] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Tue Nov 9 20:37:12 GMT 1999 Date: 9 Nov 99 15:37:12 EST From: LindaT To: dc Subject: Re: race school for Women X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FWIW Some of us feel a bit more comfortable practicing and/or learning somethi= ng new in an atmosphere that is a little less testosterone laden. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (65K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle = http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Dave asked: > Reduc Sportbike Association's Performance Cornering School for Women at= > Pocono is taking shape. I'm not trying to open up a can of worms, but why do women need their own= racing school? It is just a marketing "gimmick" or do women have special= needs I may not be aware of? Dave ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 15:45:59 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05686 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsdell5av0f (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA05846; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:45:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <013e01bf2af2$eb7f8b80$4d5f800a@tsdell5av0f.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "Mark Kitchell" Cc: Subject: Re: Any experience with Hein Gericke Boost Suits? Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:42:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Aerostich... get one used. I love mine, but bought mine new. 874 of the best dollars I've ever spent. Kirt 99 F4 -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell To: DC Cycles Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 3:41 PM Subject: Any experience with Hein Gericke Boost Suits? >I may be able to get the Boost pants and Jacket for $300 or less. Are these >anygood for winter/wet riding? > >mark > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 15:57:09 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05840 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:57:03 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256824.0073E835 ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:06:00 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: LindaT cc: dc Message-ID: <85256824.0073E6DC.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:51:47 -0500 Subject: Re: race school for Women Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline She means there's no dick measuring going on! ; ) heh heh - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 LindaT on 11/09/99 03:37:12 PM To: dc cc: Subject: Re: race school for Women FWIW Some of us feel a bit more comfortable practicing and/or learning something new in an atmosphere that is a little less testosterone laden. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (65K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Dave asked: > Reduc Sportbike Association's Performance Cornering School for Women at > Pocono is taking shape. I'm not trying to open up a can of worms, but why do women need their own racing school? It is just a marketing "gimmick" or do women have special needs I may not be aware of? Dave ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 15:57:10 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05841 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:57:06 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA16633; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:57:22 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma015521; Tue, 9 Nov 99 15:10:17 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FKY000985JKUO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:14:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256824.006EA5B3 ; Tue, 09 Nov 1999 15:08:33 -0500 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 15:08:12 -0500 Subject: RE: Any experience with Hein Gericke Boost Suits? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256824.006EAF4D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL I agree with the comment that they're hard (impossible) to get on with boots already on your feet. This is an inconvenience, but a minor one in my estimation. Depends on you, I guess. More of a pain is the fact that there isn't quite enough velcro to close the pant legs tightly over my boots, but this hasn't really been a problem so far. In colder weather, maybe. As for waterproofness, I rode in an absolute downpour on I-95 near Daytona, including sheets of water blasting me from passing 18-wheelers. This was the tail end of the hurricane that came through a few weeks ago, and was a good example of a "gulleywasher". The pants came through dry on the inside - no complaints. My feet and hands were soaked, but that's another story. The name "HiDry" or something like that on the beltloop is another indication that at least HG is marketing them as waterproof, FWIW. Chris VTR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 16:01:36 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05929 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsdell5av0f (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA13077; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:01:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <014301bf2af5$0d14bc00$4d5f800a@tsdell5av0f.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "Danny Thompson" Cc: Subject: Re: Ed Bargy school opinions Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:57:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I'm there Kirt 99 F4 -----Original Message----- From: Danny Thompson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 3:47 PM Subject: Re: Ed Bargy school opinions >Chris Weaver wrote: >> Closer than Georgia, even. They're saying they now have dates at the new >> Virginia Motorsports Park in southern VA. >> >> Chris Weaver >> VTR > >What about it Chris, Hugh, Brian, Brad, Daniel, Ned, and anybody else? Let's >get a big group together and go take the school at Va Motorsports Park! > >Danny >'99 VFR >'99 SV >'93 DR 350 (sold) > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 16:07:05 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06011 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:07:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11lITe-0007A6-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:06:54 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:06:51 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ed Bargy school opinions In-Reply-To: <85256824.006B06FF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The Virginia dates aren't till July and August which is much too late for my purposes. On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Closer than Georgia, even. They're saying they now have dates at the new > Virginia Motorsports Park in southern VA. > > Chris Weaver > VTR > > > To: Danny Thompson > cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Hugh Caldwell > Date: 11/09/99 06:32:30 PM GMT > Subject: Re: Ed Bargy school opinions > > > > > > What interested me about the school is that it's > fairly close (Georgia) and they have a class before the > beginning of the racing season (January). > > Here is the URL: > http://www.mindspring.com/~ebrs/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 16:11:22 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06049 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-128.patriot.net [209.249.180.128]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA09423; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:11:16 -0500 Message-ID: <38288C40.A22006DF@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 16:04:00 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake References: <382960e0.65638355@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Disk brake pads will raise a racket if installed backwards - that is fore & aft backwards. Also, lack of anti-squeal goop on the backside would do that. And as you mentioned, glazed pads. I don't understand "bottoms out". Are you talking running outta lever action room? Bill When bleeding brakes the ol' fashioned way, I keep it going and keep adding fluid until it runs *freash* fluid clear. The sponginess will go away as soon as the last air bubble is out, but I like getting rid of the old juice. daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I noticed the rear brake on the zx6r can stop you. Not the proper > distance of course, but it is partially working. I also notice when > applied, the brake squeaks. Much like a car when it's first starting > to hit that sensor tab. But the pads are fine, thicker than what I'm > used to seeing. > > I stopped by pep boys in laurel saturday, they didnt' have the speed > bleed screw, they said they were behind the times and just getting in > the bright headlights. Anyone know if autozone carries them? > > Also how many times do you pump-up-open-close the bleeder screw > typically? Since I'm not familiar with doing it on bikes, I don't know > if it should feel firm after 2 times, 5 times, or 10 times, etc. > > So I'd like to know about that, and if the brake squeeking is an > indication of anything, I'm guessing it's seperate for why the brake > isn'tt working (since it bottoms out) and that either the pads are > glazed or it needs that anti friction coat behind the pads.. sound > right to you? From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 16:12:59 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06125 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.ems.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16582 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:12:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) id <0FKX00B01YXD8G@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:11:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.183.24.5]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) with ESMTP id <0FKY00CBH7VXH7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 09 Nov 1999 16:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) id ; Tue, 09 Nov 1999 17:06:44 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 16:03:25 -0500 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: race school for Women To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A020ACACA@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT There are some women out there who need an environment free of men in order to learn. I would feel more comfortable learning from another woman on these skills rather than a man. I've listened to some of the conversations here about speed, wheelies and such. And frankly, I'm intimated. I don't think I'd feel comfortable asking my questions to a man. A woman on the other hand my have been in my position before and understand my hestitations and fear. When it comes to turning my bike around and tight corners, Leon says all I need is practice but he's never been my height trying to do these rather simple tasks. He maybe right but if another woman my height and type of bike said the same thing, I would be more apt to believe her over Leon and I regard Leon with the highest of respect. Men and Women have different life experiences based on their sex and I respect that but I'd prefer a woman's prospective over a man's anyday because her life experiences would closely match my own whereas a man's probably wouldn't. That's why there's all the lists out there - short bikers, goldwing owners, cog, ldwomen, ldrider, etc. Tracy Tracy Horstman UNIX System Admin Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems 9255 Wellington Rd Manassas, VA 20110 (703) 367-2981 (voice) (800) 483-4716 (pager) (703) 367-1060 (fax) tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX '99 Kawasaki Concours GPNEHI From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 16:15:44 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06166 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:15:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:15:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199911091615.AA39518468@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , "Dave Cross" Subject: Re: race school for Women X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Dave Cross" >I'm not trying to open up a can of worms, but why do women need >their own racing school? It is just a marketing "gimmick" or do >women have special needs I may not be aware of? Ahh, a delicate question, and a sensitive topic. I once read a great report of a woman rider who attended an all-woman track day and really got a lot out of it ( I wish I could find that link now) - one of the main things I got out of it was that a lot of the women there were relieved to not have to deal with testosterone- addled men doing crazy things like inside passes and such while the women learned to ride & corner better & with more confidence. I think very few of the women who attended were racers or were even interested in riding fast - they just wanted to learn to be better riders, and to push the limits a little bit. I'm not trying to say anything about women in general not being able to handle classes with men, heck, Fran Crane (RIP) was an instructor at a racing school out in California, wasn't she? She humbled many an aspriring squid in her lifetime... Horkster PS: If I convince Tracy to go can I ride too? :) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 16:19:38 1999 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06176 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:19:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id WSN3870N; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:20:15 -0500 Message-ID: <032201bf2af7$f97a6520$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "LindaT" , "dc" Subject: Re: race school for Women Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:18:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 That is why girls High Schools are so successful -----Original Message----- From: LindaT To: dc Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 3:57 PM Subject: Re: race school for Women FWIW Some of us feel a bit more comfortable practicing and/or learning something new in an atmosphere that is a little less testosterone laden. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (65K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Dave asked: > Reduc Sportbike Association's Performance Cornering School for Women at > Pocono is taking shape. I'm not trying to open up a can of worms, but why do women need their own racing school? It is just a marketing "gimmick" or do women have special needs I may not be aware of? Dave ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 16:24:20 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06263 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-128.patriot.net [209.249.180.128]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA10918; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:24:10 -0500 Message-ID: <38288F46.8274C9D0@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 16:16:54 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX CC: LindaT , dc Subject: Re: race school for Women References: <85256824.0073E6DC.00@172.16.2.37> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Testostrone laden??? I mentored and loaned equipment to a few gals who wanted to go boat racing. Yep, no testostrone sillys, but most of them had a fierce determination to be better than the guys - as in faster. The result was much the same. The boat would get loose and they'd stay in the throttle and WHOOPS! Whoa, check the altitude on that blowover! *splat* Bill Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > She means there's no dick measuring going on! ; ) > heh heh > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > LindaT on 11/09/99 03:37:12 PM > > To: dc > cc: > Subject: Re: race school for Women > > FWIW > Some of us feel a bit more comfortable practicing and/or learning something > new in an atmosphere that is a little less testosterone laden. > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (65K miles and counting) > 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) > 86 KLR250 Klarabelle > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > Dave asked: > > Reduc Sportbike Association's Performance Cornering School for Women at > > Pocono is taking shape. > > I'm not trying to open up a can of worms, but why do women need their own > racing school? It is just a marketing "gimmick" or do women have special > needs I may not be aware of? > > Dave > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 16:26:01 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06276 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:25:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:26:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199911091626.AA74121374@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: Ed Bargy school opinions X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Hugh Caldwell > What interested me about the school is that it's >fairly close (Georgia) Anybody else notice with a smile the growing number of people on this list who consider Georgia CLOSE to the DC area? Gawd, I love it! :) My first exposure to group riding was a bunch of folks who thought a 100 mile 4 stop poker run was a long day in the saddle. It's amazing the change of perspective I've gone through in the last couple of years. :) Ride on! Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 16:33:59 1999 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06409 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.83] ([192.168.1.83]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA21562; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:30:16 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <013e01bf2af2$eb7f8b80$4d5f800a@XXXXXX> References: <013e01bf2af2$eb7f8b80$4d5f800a@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:33:44 -0500 To: "Kirt S." From: Ned Suesse Subject: Re: Any experience with Hein Gericke Boost Suits? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I would second that. They are really stiff when you get them, but they are so practical. Ned 96 F3 >Aerostich... get one used. I love mine, but bought mine new. 874 of the >best dollars I've ever spent. > >Kirt >99 F4 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Kitchell >To: DC Cycles >Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 3:41 PM >Subject: Any experience with Hein Gericke Boost Suits? > > > >I may be able to get the Boost pants and Jacket for $300 or less. Are >these > >anygood for winter/wet riding? > > > >mark > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 16:36:37 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06488 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:36:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsdell5av0f (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA29899; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:36:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01d901bf2af9$ffe76000$4d5f800a@tsdell5av0f.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "Ned Suesse" Cc: Subject: Re: Any experience with Hein Gericke Boost Suits? Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:32:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I've had mine for four days now, and I love it. It's already breaking in, and feels and fits great. Plus, it looks cool. Kirt 99 F4 "vouches for the 'stich" -----Original Message----- From: Ned Suesse To: Kirt S. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Any experience with Hein Gericke Boost Suits? >I would second that. They are really stiff when you get them, but >they are so practical. > >Ned >96 F3 > >>Aerostich... get one used. I love mine, but bought mine new. 874 of the >>best dollars I've ever spent. >> >>Kirt >>99 F4 >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Mark Kitchell >>To: DC Cycles >>Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 3:41 PM >>Subject: Any experience with Hein Gericke Boost Suits? >> >> >> >I may be able to get the Boost pants and Jacket for $300 or less. Are >>these >> >anygood for winter/wet riding? >> > >> >mark >> > >> > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 16:42:54 1999 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06597 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:42:54 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 2AKJa17719 (3975) for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:42:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.9c3720c4.2559ef3a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:42:18 EST Subject: Long Distance (WAS: Re: Ed Bargy school opinions) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 It's worse once you start racing a full season and hauling all over the place. I think I referred to the 7 hour drive this weekend (No stops except to fuel the truck) as "Not too bad at all" at least once... And I keep looking at the March CCS race in Daytona thinking, "Well... it's only 12 and a half hours away..." Warped. Simply Warped. - Bri In a message dated 11/9/99 4:31:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > Anybody else notice with a smile the growing number of > people on this list who consider Georgia CLOSE to the > DC area? Gawd, I love it! :) > > My first exposure to group riding was a bunch of folks > who thought a 100 mile 4 stop poker run was a long day > in the saddle. It's amazing the change of perspective > I've gone through in the last couple of years. :) > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 17:12:15 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07080 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:12:14 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip165.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip165.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.165]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA20959; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:12:05 -0800 (PST) To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 01:14:29 GMT Message-ID: <3828c61a.91555620@mail.earthlink.net> References: <382960e0.65638355@mail.earthlink.net> <38288C40.A22006DF@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <38288C40.A22006DF@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 09 Nov 1999 16:04:00 -0500, you wrote: |>Disk brake pads will raise a racket if installed backwards - that is = fore |>& aft backwards. Also, lack of anti-squeal goop on the backside would = do |>that. And as you mentioned, glazed pads. |> |>I don't understand "bottoms out". Are you talking running outta lever |>action room? Yes? Is there a way to increase the travel? I looked at it once, but didn't see anything. Maybe that would help me bleed the brakes if I could increase the travel. =20 |>When bleeding brakes the ol' fashioned way, I keep it going and keep |>adding fluid until it runs *freash* fluid clear. The sponginess will go |>away as soon as the last air bubble is out, but I like getting rid of = the |>old juice. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 18:13:46 1999 Return-Path: james.hoof@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08069 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:13:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from rcn.com (accessetestbox.mrf.va.noc.rcn.net [207.172.25.70]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19436 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:13:43 -0500 (EST) Sender: jhoof@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3828ACA9.E62B737D@rcn.com> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 18:22:18 -0500 From: James Hoofnagle Reply-To: james.hoofnagle@XXXXXX Organization: rcn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: GPS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody have any experience with GPS units in the $150 range? I've been looking at the Magellan 315, and was going to mount it with the windshield suction cup set-up and safety tie it on somehow. The GPSstore.com has the best prices I've found so far. So if anybody has any warnings or hints they would be most appreciated. Go Fast, Take Chances James E-TKT From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 18:30:46 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08337 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:30:45 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 6XAWIPsY1_ (4466); Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:28:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.134d0462.255a0822@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:28:34 EST Subject: Re: race school for Women To: dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 In a message dated 11/9/99 3:30:32 PM, dave@XXXXXX writes: << I'm not trying to open up a can of worms, but why do women need their own racing school? It is just a marketing "gimmick" or do women have special needs I may not be aware of? >> My question exactly!!!! Marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 18:57:33 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08711 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-229.patriot.net [209.249.180.229]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA28769; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:57:26 -0500 Message-ID: <3828B332.9E9734E5@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 18:50:10 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rear brake References: <382960e0.65638355@mail.earthlink.net> <38288C40.A22006DF@patriot.net> <3828c61a.91555620@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Red Alert!!! Some brake levers can be adjusted for comfy position, but they should NEVER not have enough travel to squash them pads on the disk !!! Deduction - you have a problem. My advice is to let a tech-mech look it over. Or, tear the whole damn system down a rebuild. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > On Tue, 09 Nov 1999 16:04:00 -0500, you wrote: > > |>Disk brake pads will raise a racket if installed backwards - that is fore > |>& aft backwards. Also, lack of anti-squeal goop on the backside would do > |>that. And as you mentioned, glazed pads. > |> > |>I don't understand "bottoms out". Are you talking running outta lever > |>action room? > > Yes? Is there a way to increase the travel? I looked at it once, but > didn't see anything. Maybe that would help me bleed the brakes if I > could increase the travel. > > |>When bleeding brakes the ol' fashioned way, I keep it going and keep > |>adding fluid until it runs *freash* fluid clear. The sponginess will go > |>away as soon as the last air bubble is out, but I like getting rid of the > |>old juice. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 19:02:32 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08780 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-229.patriot.net [209.249.180.229]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA29256; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:02:19 -0500 Message-ID: <3828B458.B39FE278@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 18:55:04 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: james.hoofnagle@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GPS References: <3828ACA9.E62B737D@rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good grief - a GPS on a bike. Whatever happened road signs and maps? Joking aside - have you ever tried to read a weak-ass LCD screen in the sunlight? Bill proud member of the WhereDaFuggAreWe tribe James Hoofnagle wrote: > Anybody have any experience with GPS units in the $150 range? I've been > looking at the Magellan 315, and was going to mount it with the > windshield suction cup set-up and safety tie it on somehow. The > GPSstore.com has the best prices I've found so far. So if anybody has > any warnings or hints they would be most appreciated. > > Go Fast, Take Chances > James > E-TKT From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 20:29:48 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10012 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:29:47 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id yWEQ2ZqlQ_ (4234); Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:28:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.b4923e77.255a2442@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:28:34 EST Subject: Re: only a few days left. To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 40 I entered while in Laguna in July. It looks much better in person. None of you better enter. It's mine you hear. ALL MINE!!! Bwaaahhhhahahhahahahahhaha. Scooter In a message dated 11/9/1999 10:54:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: << Deadline for Yamaha's contest is 11/21 http://www.yamahausa.com/ADS/HILFIGER/thr6_ad.html Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 20:30:59 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10051 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:30:58 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id gTINLIX4x_ (4234); Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:30:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.ee7afcdf.255a249b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:30:03 EST Subject: Re: Snell testing of flip up helmets To: horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 40 Same here. Tight squeeze but it came off. Scooter In a message dated 11/9/1999 11:05:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: << Last night I determined that I am in fact able to remove the Nolan N-100 without opening the chinbar. It was a tight squeeze, the glasses had to come off first, and I wouldn't want to put it back on that way, but it can come off. Whew! >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 22:04:22 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11179 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-54-140.s140.tnt16.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.54.140]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA22425 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:04:17 -0500 (EST) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: race school for Women Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:04:16 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01bf2b28$4683eb40$fd57accf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Well, I (and no other woman who responded to this thread) never said ALL women would prefer an all women class. Some do, some don't. But I wonder, how many guys who've taken classes had female class mates and what kind of effect that had on the dynamics of the class. Picture this: Typical class of mostly men, mostly young, some aspiring to be racers. Add to that mix, one woman, maybe gorgeous, also young who rides pretty well but maybe not as well as most of the guys. I would think there would be a fair number of guys who would try to help and maybe show off a bit trying to impress her with their skills. Prescription for disaster? Change the scenario slightly, make her a great rider, then what? A fair amount of competition might result. After all, what guy wants to be beaten by a GIRL?? (on the track, at least;-) Much bigger disaster might ensue. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has experienced mixed classes and how it went. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (65 miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Bill Huson wrote: > Testostrone laden??? I mentored and loaned equipment to a few gals who wanted > to go boat racing. Yep, no testostrone sillys, but most of them had a fierce > determination to be better than the guys - as in faster. The result was much > the same. The boat would get loose and they'd stay in the throttle and WHOOPS! > Whoa, check the altitude on that blowover! *splat* > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 22:29:43 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11533 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-229.patriot.net [209.249.180.229]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA17520 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:29:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3828E4F1.19BDA2A1@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 22:22:25 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The Misstress of Harley decor ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit has demanded that I clean my bike. Damn. Reckon I'll have to notify Roscoe. He wanted to borrow my windshield for a week or so. He's an entomology prof and got real excited when he saw my collection of bug bits. Oh yeah, and I got a nastygram from the EPA. Something about oil spills. The EPA just doesn't understand. Like a tomcat, Harleys mark thier territory. If it rains Thurs, I clean. If it doesn't - BUGS BEWARE! Varooommm.... Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 9 23:40:03 1999 Return-Path: robert@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.29]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12473 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:40:01 -0500 (EST) From: robert@XXXXXX Received: from otaku.org by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: koroshiya.otaku.org [206.138.238.11]) id QQhori25701; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 04:38:19 GMT Message-ID: <3828F731.BFFBAAD0@otaku.org> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 23:40:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: james.hoofnagle@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: GPS References: <3828ACA9.E62B737D@rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Hoofnagle wrote: > looking at the Magellan 315, and was going to mount it with the > windshield suction cup set-up and safety tie it on somehow. The > GPSstore.com has the best prices I've found so far. So if anybody has > any warnings or hints they would be most appreciated. I borrowed a more expensive Garmin model from someone once. It fit in the clear map pocket on my tank bag and this seemed to work pretty well (I could operate the controls through the plastic.) If you could mount it closer to the instruments it would probably be easier and safer to glace at it while riding. Robert 99 CBR600F4 85 454LTD Still alive, somehow. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 08:22:09 1999 Return-Path: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20134 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:22:08 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 2IYHa16993 (3853) for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:21:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.ea33ba08.255acb5b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:21:31 EST Subject: Re: GPS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 In a message dated 11/9/99 7:07:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: << have you ever tried to read a weak-ass LCD screen in the sunlight? >> My Garmin GPS III+ is very readable - the problem arises with the color screens - they're an absolute bear to read in strong direct light (not just sunlight). Garmin makes a handlebar mount that works perfectly on my bike - nestles nicely in the gap between the top handlebar mounts (those of you without tubular handlebars need not apply). Michael (riding today!!) J. GSX 1100G From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 09:27:19 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21033 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-109-134.s134.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.134]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA03584 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:27:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002201bf2b87$d9a96580$866daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: hooky Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:28:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Anyone want to play hooky today and go riding? Danny '99 VFR '99 SV '93 DR 350 (sold) Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 09:44:20 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21242 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:44:19 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA17530; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:44:39 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma000316; Wed, 10 Nov 99 09:31:56 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FKZ002LAKJLJR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256825.004FABEC ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:30:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:30:06 -0500 Subject: Re: only a few days left. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256825.004FB583.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Man, talk about the definition of a poser bike! If I win that thing (and I did enter), the first things that I'll do are put a cover on it and put it up for sale on this list. It might make a pretty healthy downpayment on an RC51. Who wants first dibs? ;^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR http://www.yamahausa.com/ADS/HILFIGER/thr6_ad.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 10:04:18 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA21523 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:04:16 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA14622; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:04:35 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021265; Wed, 10 Nov 99 09:46:57 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FKZ004F4L8TRP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:50:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256825.00510FE8 ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:45:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:44:45 -0500 Subject: Re: race school for Women To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256825.00510DFC.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Linda wrote: Change the scenario slightly, make her a great rider, then what? A fair amount of competition might result. After all, what guy wants to be beaten by a GIRL?? (on the track, at least;-) Much bigger disaster might ensue. --- I don't have a problem with the all-women school, but I'd disagree to an extent with the scenario Linda describes above. I think at a racing school, most people would be far more concerned with (a) not crashing, and (b) learning as much as possible in that short amount of time. I personally can't picture having it make one iota of difference if there were women in a race school with me or not, and I can't believe I'm that different than most men in this respect. While I don't doubt that having attractive females in the class might make a difference for a few guys, the picture of most men as blatant glory-seeking, macho sex-hounds is pretty unrealistic. However, if women feel more comfortable in a class all their own, I say more power to 'em. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 10:07:30 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21622 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:07:29 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip167.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip167.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.167]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA11044; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:07:23 -0800 (PST) To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: only a few days left. Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:09:49 GMT Message-ID: <3829b4a9.152636410@mail.earthlink.net> References: <85256825.004FB583.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> In-Reply-To: <85256825.004FB583.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe the fine print said you cannot transfer it to anyone. Guess you'll just have to ride it :) Daniel ex250/zx6r On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:30:06 -0500, you wrote: |>Man, talk about the definition of a poser bike! If I win that thing = (and I |>did enter), the first things that I'll do are put a cover on it and put= it |>up for sale on this list. It might make a pretty healthy downpayment on= an |>RC51. Who wants first dibs? ;^) |> |>Chris Weaver |>'98 VTR |> |> |> |> http://www.yamahausa.com/ADS/HILFIGER/thr6_ad.html |> |>---------------------------------------------------------------- |>The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity = to |>which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged |>material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, = or |>taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or |>entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you = received |>this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from = any |>computer. |> From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 10:13:04 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21701 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:13:02 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip167.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip167.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.167]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA15209 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:12:59 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 250 back on the road Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:15:25 GMT Message-ID: <382bb4fc.152719008@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd like to thank everyone who suggested my forks could be just twisted in the tripple clamp, and especially chris weaver who gave me his personal experience and a little extra detail. Between my basic repair knowledge of bicycles and cars, this task was pretty much a breeze and I didn't have to take the fairing off. So now I'm a pretty happy camper, and am very glad this list exists! I definitely plan on meeting most of you on up coming rides.=20 Thanks everyone, and especially chirs! Daniel ex250,zx6r From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 10:22:07 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21809 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:22:05 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip167.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip167.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.167]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA20843; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:22:00 -0800 (PST) To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: race school for Women Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:24:25 GMT Message-ID: <382cb7f2.153477170@mail.earthlink.net> References: <85256825.00510DFC.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> In-Reply-To: <85256825.00510DFC.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46WIW, there were women in my msf class, and I wasnt thinking about them when I was out riding. Of course during the breaks some of them were a little eye catching. Daniel On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:44:45 -0500, you wrote: |>Linda wrote: |>Change the scenario slightly, make her a great rider, then what? A = fair |>amount of competition might result. After all, what guy wants to be = beaten |>by a GIRL?? (on the track, at least;-) Much bigger disaster might = ensue. |> |>--- |> |>I don't have a problem with the all-women school, but I'd disagree to = an |>extent with the scenario Linda describes above. I think at a racing = school, |>most people would be far more concerned with (a) not crashing, and (b) |>learning as much as possible in that short amount of time. I personally |>can't picture having it make one iota of difference if there were women= in |>a race school with me or not, and I can't believe I'm that different = than |>most men in this respect. While I don't doubt that having attractive |>females in the class might make a difference for a few guys, the = picture of |>most men as blatant glory-seeking, macho sex-hounds is pretty = unrealistic. |> |>However, if women feel more comfortable in a class all their own, I say |>more power to 'em. |> |>Chris Weaver |>'98 VTR |>---------------------------------------------------------------- |>The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity = to |>which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged |>material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, = or |>taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or |>entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you = received |>this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from = any |>computer. |> From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 10:25:29 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21822 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsdell5av0f (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id KAA01302 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:25:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008c01bf2b8f$5111c520$4d5f800a@tsdell5av0f.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: race school for Women Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:21:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 First things first...this is not an anti-women rider post. I have never *personally* met (to my knowledge) a girl/woman that can out-ride me. However when/if I do, I can assure you I will show the respect she deserves. I'm most definitely a guy, and love doing "guy stuff" but I wouldn't have my pride hurt by being beaten by a girl. I think that would be cool. I'm all for having as many women riding as possible. Not to say I wouldn't be a little competitive with her...I would be, but I wouldn't do anything dumb or dangerous. Mostly the competition would be there just to give me something to talk to her about afterwards... :-) Kirt 99 F4 -----Original Message----- From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 10:17 AM Subject: Re: race school for Women >Linda wrote: >Change the scenario slightly, make her a great rider, then what? A fair >amount of competition might result. After all, what guy wants to be beaten >by a GIRL?? (on the track, at least;-) Much bigger disaster might ensue. > >--- > >I don't have a problem with the all-women school, but I'd disagree to an >extent with the scenario Linda describes above. I think at a racing school, >most people would be far more concerned with (a) not crashing, and (b) >learning as much as possible in that short amount of time. I personally >can't picture having it make one iota of difference if there were women in >a race school with me or not, and I can't believe I'm that different than >most men in this respect. While I don't doubt that having attractive >females in the class might make a difference for a few guys, the picture of >most men as blatant glory-seeking, macho sex-hounds is pretty unrealistic. > >However, if women feel more comfortable in a class all their own, I say >more power to 'em. > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 10:33:03 1999 Return-Path: matte@XXXXXX Received: from mail.savvis.net (mail.savvis.net [209.83.194.44]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21933 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from oalre007 (h100-89-217-199.sales.savvis.net [199.217.89.100]) by mail.savvis.net (8.8.8/Savvis_V0.4) with SMTP id JAA22986; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:32:27 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:34:58 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF2B67.3C88D710.matte@savvis.net> From: Matt Elliott Reply-To: "matte@XXXXXX" To: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: only a few days left. Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:34:57 -0500 Organization: SAVVIS X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If they were smart they'd make it available to enter online. I suppose if you win you also get a tommy windbreaker and shorts to wear while riding it! -----Original Message----- From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX [SMTP:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:30 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: only a few days left. Man, talk about the definition of a poser bike! If I win that thing (and I did enter), the first things that I'll do are put a cover on it and put it up for sale on this list. It might make a pretty healthy downpayment on an RC51. Who wants first dibs? ;^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR http://www.yamahausa.com/ADS/HILFIGER/thr6_ad.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 10:34:30 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21943 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11266 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00217 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:34:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.ems.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26043 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:34:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) id <0FKZ00D01K71HD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:32:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.183.24.5]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) with ESMTP id <0FKZ0089PMFHFU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:16:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) id ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:18:29 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:15:29 -0500 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: race school for Women To: "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A020ACACF@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT LindaT wrote: I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has experienced mixed classes and how it went. ----------------------------------------------------------- I can remember a few times where it was apparent that having a woman beat a man at a predominately male sport or the woman didn't take the sport serious enough where the man completely lost his temper and became a really poor sport and raised the whole competition level to a point where it wasn't fun anymore. Case I: One time was when we were playing putt-putt golf. I can putt whereas my male companion was having problems. Just to bring the level of competition down so that I could have fun again - I threw the game. Have never been putt-putt again. Case II: Other times where when I was playing softball - my male companion (same one) used to get so upset because I wouldn't take the game "seriously". Afterall, I was just out there to have fun - win or lose. It wasn't like I was purposely goofing around - I just wasn't upset because we were losing. Case III: In my field, most of my classes are with men. Just aren't that many female UNIX admins, I guess. Heaven forbid if you should know how to correct the problem. I've actually had some men do everything in their power not to follow my suggestion until they absolutely had to. I used to shrug it off - thinking they had more years experience than I but now that in most cases I have more experience, it has to be the fact that I'm a woman and they are turning this class into some sort of competition. I have to agree with Linda, some women thrive on the whole competition thing and would enjoy a class with men. I'm not one. I'd prefer a class with mostly women who just wanted to learn without compairsion with others, without fear of show offs - not that an all women's class would guarantee that, but chances are higher in my opinion. Tracy Tracy Horstman UNIX System Admin Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems 9255 Wellington Rd Manassas, VA 20110 (703) 367-2981 (voice) (800) 483-4716 (pager) (703) 367-1060 (fax) tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX '99 Kawasaki Concours GPNEHI From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 10:42:34 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22123 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11lZtG-0004HA-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:42:30 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:42:29 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ed Bargy School (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since a few folks on the list seem interested I'm forwarding this reply I got on the subject from the VFR list. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 19:47:38 -0500 From: mclee To: vfr@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ed Bargy School Hugh, I took the Ed Bargy school about 3 years ago and know numerous people that have also. It's an excellent school. Ed was pretty fast years back (and still is to tell you the truth) and has been teaching the course for years now. You'll spend 30 to 40 minutes in the class then ride 20 minutes or so to work on that period's teaching point, repeating this all day long. The class finishes with a "mock" race. In my (and others) opinion Bargy's course is better than some of the bigger name classes that use "guest" instructors. These guys are fast but can not always teach well or get their point across well. Ed's course is money well spent. Plus, Ed is always willing to help you out, answer questions, etc. later on at WERA events. Rick Lee '98 VFR '66 Honda CB450 '75 Z1 '81 SR500 (retired Road Racer) in search of a dirt bike ------------------------------------------------------------------ The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 10:43:21 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22143 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:43:19 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256825.005732CB ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:52:26 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "LindaT" cc: "DC-CYCLES" Message-ID: <85256825.0057319E.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:37:56 -0500 Subject: Re: race school for Women Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I have a friend who did attend a race school recently. She is a very good rider and mentioned that on a practice lap, some guy cut her off on the inside of a lane. I think some women are afraid of that type of thing happening i.e., the macho type of guy on the track not wanting to be "beaten" by a woman. I'm not saying this always happens, but it does sometimes and my friend was quite pissed about it. Of course, she let him have it LOUDLY when they got off their bikes and he didn't do it again. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "LindaT" on 11/09/99 10:04:16 PM To: "DC-CYCLES" cc: Subject: Re: race school for Women Well, I (and no other woman who responded to this thread) never said ALL women would prefer an all women class. Some do, some don't. But I wonder, how many guys who've taken classes had female class mates and what kind of effect that had on the dynamics of the class. Picture this: Typical class of mostly men, mostly young, some aspiring to be racers. Add to that mix, one woman, maybe gorgeous, also young who rides pretty well but maybe not as well as most of the guys. I would think there would be a fair number of guys who would try to help and maybe show off a bit trying to impress her with their skills. Prescription for disaster? Change the scenario slightly, make her a great rider, then what? A fair amount of competition might result. After all, what guy wants to be beaten by a GIRL?? (on the track, at least;-) Much bigger disaster might ensue. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has experienced mixed classes and how it went. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (65 miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 10:46:00 1999 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22194 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id WSN388GJ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:46:40 -0500 Message-ID: <00f701bf2b92$88266360$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Kirt S." , Subject: Re: race school for Women Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:44:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 You just made the point for all-female riding schools, science classes, etc. Sometimes they just don't want to compete at all, just learn. So the fact that you would be competitive with another rider in a school is the precise reason they want their own school. To be crass....guys dig hanging out with other guys (boys night out, I love it!) and chicks dig hanging out with other chicks. -----Original Message----- From: Kirt S. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 10:41 AM Subject: Re: race school for Women >First things first...this is not an anti-women rider post. >I have never *personally* met (to my knowledge) a girl/woman that can >out-ride me. However when/if I do, I can assure you I will show the respect >she deserves. I'm most definitely a guy, and love doing "guy stuff" but I >wouldn't have my pride hurt by being beaten by a girl. I think that would >be cool. I'm all for having as many women riding as possible. Not to say I >wouldn't be a little competitive with her...I would be, but I wouldn't do >anything dumb or dangerous. Mostly the competition would be there just to >give me something to talk to her about afterwards... :-) > >Kirt >99 F4 > >-----Original Message----- >From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 10:17 AM >Subject: Re: race school for Women > > >>Linda wrote: >>Change the scenario slightly, make her a great rider, then what? A fair >>amount of competition might result. After all, what guy wants to be beaten >>by a GIRL?? (on the track, at least;-) Much bigger disaster might ensue. >> >>--- >> >>I don't have a problem with the all-women school, but I'd disagree to an >>extent with the scenario Linda describes above. I think at a racing school, >>most people would be far more concerned with (a) not crashing, and (b) >>learning as much as possible in that short amount of time. I personally >>can't picture having it make one iota of difference if there were women in >>a race school with me or not, and I can't believe I'm that different than >>most men in this respect. While I don't doubt that having attractive >>females in the class might make a difference for a few guys, the picture of >>most men as blatant glory-seeking, macho sex-hounds is pretty unrealistic. >> >>However, if women feel more comfortable in a class all their own, I say >>more power to 'em. >> >>Chris Weaver >>'98 VTR >>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >>which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >>material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >>taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >>entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >>this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >>computer. >> >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 10:48:25 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22214 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:48:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-109-134.s134.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.134]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA27121; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:48:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008201bf2b93$2f89a540$866daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , "Kirt S." References: <009a01bf2b91$49e54e00$4d5f800a@tsdell5av0f.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Subject: Re: hooky Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:49:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 OK, anyone else (all are welcome), I will be at Fast Lane Cycles at 12:13 ready to go ride. Meet there if you want to join me. :) Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Subject: Re: hooky > I'll see if I can sneak out after lunch. Sometime after 12 I think. Not > definite though. > > Kirt > >> >Anyone want to play hooky today and go riding? From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 10:50:19 1999 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22291 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:50:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id WSN388GP; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:50:57 -0500 Message-ID: <010001bf2b93$216de3e0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: , , Subject: Re: only a few days left. Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:49:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Do you think this bike has a greater or lesser value than a standard R6. Could it be auctioned for 50%-100% more than the retail value? mark -----Original Message----- From: Matt Elliott To: 'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX' ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 10:49 AM Subject: RE: only a few days left. >If they were smart they'd make it available to enter online. I suppose if >you win you also get a tommy windbreaker and shorts to wear while riding >it! > >-----Original Message----- >From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX >[SMTP:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:30 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: only a few days left. > >Man, talk about the definition of a poser bike! If I win that thing (and I >did enter), the first things that I'll do are put a cover on it and put it >up for sale on this list. It might make a pretty healthy downpayment on an >RC51. Who wants first dibs? ;^) > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR > > > > http://www.yamahausa.com/ADS/HILFIGER/thr6_ad.html > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 10:50:22 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22301 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsdell5av0f (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id KAA26881 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:50:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00aa01bf2b92$cdb60160$4d5f800a@tsdell5av0f.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: race school for Women Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:46:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 You're probably reading too much into my post. By a little competitive...I mean a *little*. If they blow past me, I'm not gonna go nuts trying to catch them. The "competitive" part of my post was there more as a joke... Kirt 99 F4 -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell To: Kirt S. ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 10:45 AM Subject: Re: race school for Women >You just made the point for all-female riding schools, science classes, etc. >Sometimes they just don't want to compete at all, just learn. So the fact >that you would be competitive with another rider in a school is the precise >reason they want their own school. > >To be crass....guys dig hanging out with other guys (boys night out, I love >it!) and chicks dig hanging out with other chicks. >-----Original Message----- >From: Kirt S. >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 10:41 AM >Subject: Re: race school for Women > > >>First things first...this is not an anti-women rider post. >>I have never *personally* met (to my knowledge) a girl/woman that can >>out-ride me. However when/if I do, I can assure you I will show the >respect >>she deserves. I'm most definitely a guy, and love doing "guy stuff" but I >>wouldn't have my pride hurt by being beaten by a girl. I think that would >>be cool. I'm all for having as many women riding as possible. Not to say >I >>wouldn't be a little competitive with her...I would be, but I wouldn't do >>anything dumb or dangerous. Mostly the competition would be there just to >>give me something to talk to her about afterwards... :-) >> >>Kirt >>99 F4 >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX >> >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 10:17 AM >>Subject: Re: race school for Women >> >> >>>Linda wrote: >>>Change the scenario slightly, make her a great rider, then what? A fair >>>amount of competition might result. After all, what guy wants to be >beaten >>>by a GIRL?? (on the track, at least;-) Much bigger disaster might ensue. >>> >>>--- >>> >>>I don't have a problem with the all-women school, but I'd disagree to an >>>extent with the scenario Linda describes above. I think at a racing >school, >>>most people would be far more concerned with (a) not crashing, and (b) >>>learning as much as possible in that short amount of time. I personally >>>can't picture having it make one iota of difference if there were women in >>>a race school with me or not, and I can't believe I'm that different than >>>most men in this respect. While I don't doubt that having attractive >>>females in the class might make a difference for a few guys, the picture >of >>>most men as blatant glory-seeking, macho sex-hounds is pretty unrealistic. >>> >>>However, if women feel more comfortable in a class all their own, I say >>>more power to 'em. >>> >>>Chris Weaver >>>'98 VTR >>>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >>>which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >>>material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >>>taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >>>entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >received >>>this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >>>computer. >>> >>> > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 10:52:24 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22311 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:52:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:52:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199911101052.AA118227280@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , "Kirt S." Subject: Re: race school for Women X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Kirt S." Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:21:52 -0500 Kirt, & others, >but I wouldn't have my pride hurt by being beaten by a girl. > I think that would be cool. Tracy outscored me when we took our MSF class together. I've hit one car with a bike, and totalled another bike since then. Tracy hasn't had a serious mishap yet. What I'm saying is, safety-wise, I'm getting beat by a girl everyday. :) > I'm all for having as many women riding as possible. I heartily agree with this. And since there are statistically a lot fewer women riders (even though the chicks outnumber the guys on the planet) a race school like this, and/or similar programs aimed specifically toward women might be a great thing to increase female ridership. That can only be a good thing. I like women and I like bikes. So I REALLY like women who ride bikes. :) Whatever makes them happy, makes me happy, Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 10:54:49 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22322 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11454 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:54:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07179 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:54:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id KAA09959; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:56:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991110105617.007d3b50@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:56:17 -0500 To: "Horstman, Tracy L" , "'DC Cycles'" From: Lisa Goddard Subject: RE: race school for Women In-Reply-To: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A020ACACF@EMSS09M05> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:15 AM 11/10/99 -0500, Horstman, Tracy L wrote: >LindaT wrote: >I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has experienced mixed >classes and how it went. Feel free to open the can of worms. Having been the only female out on the track with 40+ men I would kill for the opportunity to do it without the men. I found the testosterone level on the track to be highly annoying and highly intimidating. Men making comments like "somebody needs to teach that girl what a yellow flag means" coming from a control rider who did not know I was standing behind him. I have a big feeling I would not hear such comments from an instructor at a womens school. (PS, I have raced my car plenty at Summit and was under the impression that a yellow flag means slow down). Also, I don't think I would have been passed by a control rider and student during the morning if I were at a womans only session. (this happened to me, yes, I was in the beginner group) I have also compared notes on track days with my friend Nicole, she has a Monster and a Speed Triple. She went to a womens only class at Loudon in NH. I am kicking myself for not joining her. I don't consider myself to be the fastest or the best rider but I don't think I should be passed by a control rider and student on the first set of laps either. Again, don't think it would have happened at a woman's only class. The track day that I did was just a plain old track day without any formal classtime. I think I could benefit a great deal from some formal classtime. I have taken formal classes for racing with my cage and I know that it has improved my cage driving. Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 11:03:25 1999 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22480 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id WSN388GX; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:04:06 -0500 Message-ID: <010c01bf2b94$f7d74e20$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Motorcycle painting Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:02:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Has anyone had their motorcyle parts painted locally? If so, with who and about how much was it. I need a fairing piece painted VFR red. Its $260 new, so I have some room to work with it. Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 11:13:00 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22658 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:12:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11613 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:12:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12835 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:12:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:13:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199911101113.AA188088580@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "'DC Cycles'" , "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: race school for Women X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:15:29 -0500 >Case I: One time was when we were playing putt-putt golf. I can putt >whereas my male companion was having problems. Just to bring the level of >competition down so that I could have fun again - I threw the game. I must have had a crooked putter. Yeah, that's it! :) >Have never been putt-putt again. She means she won't agree to a rematch so I can reclaim my lost honor. :) >Case II: Other times where when I was playing softball - my male >companion (same one) used to get so upset because I wouldn't take the >game "seriously". We sucked, and nobody cared. >Afterall, I was just out there to have fun - win or lose. It >wasn't like I was purposely goofing around - I just wasn't upset >because we were losing. Winning is ok. Playing well and losing is ok. Playing poorly as a team and getting skunked every week got old in a hurry. We don't play much softball anymore. We ride instead. :) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 11:14:07 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22673 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsdell5av0f (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id LAA21498 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:14:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00d401bf2b96$20a27630$4d5f800a@tsdell5av0f.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: only a few days left. Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:10:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Way more than a standad R6. There are lots of "pretty boys" out there that want to complete their pretty boy image by riding an "officical" tommy hilfiger bike. I'm sure you could get 14-15 grand for it. But like I said, Tommy Hilfiger is a racist SOB. I'd get rid of it for cheaper than that just to not have it. Kirt -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell To: matte@XXXXXX ; christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 11:05 AM Subject: Re: only a few days left. >Do you think this bike has a greater or lesser value than a standard R6. >Could it be auctioned for 50%-100% more than the retail value? > >mark >-----Original Message----- >From: Matt Elliott >To: 'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX' >; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 10:49 AM >Subject: RE: only a few days left. > > >>If they were smart they'd make it available to enter online. I suppose if >>you win you also get a tommy windbreaker and shorts to wear while riding >>it! >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX >>[SMTP:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:30 AM >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: Re: only a few days left. >> >>Man, talk about the definition of a poser bike! If I win that thing (and I >>did enter), the first things that I'll do are put a cover on it and put it >>up for sale on this list. It might make a pretty healthy downpayment on an >>RC51. Who wants first dibs? ;^) >> >>Chris Weaver >>'98 VTR >> >> >> >> http://www.yamahausa.com/ADS/HILFIGER/thr6_ad.html >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >>which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >>material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >>taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >>entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >>this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >>computer. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 11:29:26 1999 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22870 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:29:25 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id iIEQa17867 (3868); Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:28:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.29a0b048.255af73c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:28:44 EST Subject: Re: Motorcycle painting To: mKitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 My Sponsor, SpeedWerks, does excellent painting. They're located in Camden, DE which is just over an hour from the MD Beltway (rt 50 east). (It's about 10 miles south of Dover) Their price to custom paint a *whole race bike* is $250. If you just wanted them to do the one piece I'm quite sure Steve would do it for a reasonable price. You can check them out on the web at... http://www.speed-werks.com Or call them at (302) 697 - 7043 If you do call, ask for Steve Long and please let him know that I sent ya :) - Brian Roach In a message dated 11/10/99 11:08:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, mKitchell@XXXXXX writes: > Has anyone had their motorcycle parts painted locally? If so, with who and > about how much was it. I need a fairing piece painted VFR red. Its $260 > new, so I have some room to work with it. > > Thanks > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 11:45:56 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23139 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:45:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FKZ00E2OQ52H6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:36:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA24800; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:31:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.209]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991110163636.RKRL26810@toddnt>; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:36:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:33:15 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: race school for Women In-reply-to: <199911101052.AA118227280@tidalwave.net> To: horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Kirt S." Message-id: <000101bf2b99$498fba50$d1b024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Horkster [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Kirt S." > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:21:52 -0500 > > Kirt, & others, > > >but I wouldn't have my pride hurt by being beaten by a girl. > > I think that would be cool. > > Tracy outscored me when we took our MSF class together. I've > hit one car with a bike, and totalled another bike since then. > Tracy hasn't had a serious mishap yet. > > What I'm saying is, safety-wise, I'm getting beat by a girl > everyday. :) > Aren't you supposed to correlate these measurements in terms of comparative number of miles ridden? Or you're just stacking up good husband points. I get it ;) Oh, and I'm happy to here she is safely beating you. But, everyday? ;) T From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 11:54:14 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23226 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:54:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FKZ0001SQXBJP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:53:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA04017 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:48:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.209]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991110165333.RQLX26810@toddnt> for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:53:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:50:12 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: race school for Women In-reply-to: <19991109203712.18183.qmail@www0y.netaddress.usa.net> To: dc Message-id: <000201bf2b9b$a7c2a5e0$d1b024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal This is back-handed way of saying guys on bikes make you nervous, intimidated? Maybe if I said something like the reason women would feel better among other women on the track is that they are estrogen laden, we could all walk away with something valuable. Probably not. I'm not clear that testosterone can be blamed for perceived "bad" behaviour. Social upbringing probably is more to blame. Little boys are always encouraged to try new things, be adventurous, take reasonable risks. Most little girls are not, which answers why most women would feel intimidated among men on a track. Don't blame testosterone for perceived risky behaviour, unless you want to be blamed as meek because of estrogen. My opinion on an all grrl track school? No ones gonna care until some smart-guy comes up with a males only track school. Way it goes. Until that happens, try and have fun out there and don't let other people (regardless of sex) get to you. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: LindaT [mailto:ljtanner@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 3:37 PM > To: dc > Subject: Re: race school for Women > > > FWIW > Some of us feel a bit more comfortable practicing and/or learning > something > new in an atmosphere that is a little less testosterone laden. > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (65K miles and counting) > 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) > 86 KLR250 Klarabelle > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > > Dave asked: > > Reduc Sportbike Association's Performance Cornering School for Women at > > Pocono is taking shape. > > I'm not trying to open up a can of worms, but why do women need their own > racing school? It is just a marketing "gimmick" or do women have special > needs I may not be aware of? > > Dave > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 12:33:12 1999 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23797 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:33:10 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id 2DZBa03765 (3868) for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:32:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.3bbf86f8.255b0630@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:32:32 EST Subject: Re: race school for Women To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Thanks Todd - you just what I've been trying to find words to express the last day or so. I race... racing is a competitive sport. If I'm at a race school, I'm there to learn - but the environment (racing, not testosterone) will undoubtedly lead to some competition (note: my comments here do not apply to a street riding school - people there trying to prove something need some counseling). That competition is gender neutral. I don't care if you're a man or woman, and more than likely when I'm out on the track I won't be able to tell (unless your leathers or bike are particularly memorable for some reason - and even then it's questionable). If someone is slow out on the track in the school, them I'm going to pass them - my learning of something new requires that I be traveling at my learning speed, maybe 6 or 7/10ths race pace at the very least. Things change dramatically the faster you go. If someone is running at about my pace, that's going to be fun all day with the two of us learning new stuff and trying to be faster than the other - ergo, racing. I am not however, dangerous, rude, or condescending. Everyone is slow at first, regardless of gender. The most humbling thing in the world was my first race weekend ... you think you're fast on the street so you go to a track ... and find out how slow you are. Chopping across someone's front end in practice or in a school is just silly... *unless* ... you have no choice. What some might perceive as "dangerous" or "risky" passing may just be the only pass possible. An extreme example of this is myself at a track day as Summit Point. I race a fzr400 which has about 68hp. They put all the "expert" riders out on the track at once, regardless of bike size. What you end up with is people on CBR9000RR's grabbing massive throttle anywhere the track is straight (disappearing into the distance from my FZR), then parking it in the corners at a snail's pace. The only place to get around horsepower like this is in the middle of a turn, and at some tracks (Summit pre-pavement in particular) there's not a whole lot of room to do so due to pavement conditions. This results in a less than ideal situation for the slower rider as they get "buzzed". As for an all-women racing school? More power to them, except for one thing that bothers me about all gender separation things of this nature: it's not real. If it's a school purely to learn technique and improve skills - absolutely! Anything that makes a student learn more is valuable. If it's a school that qualifies you for a racing license? NO. The reasons stated for going to that school are going to be waiting at the first race weekend. Not having experience in dealing with that is not a good thing and one person's actions effect everyone else out on that racetrack. If someone can't deal with other racers being aggressive, then they really should consider a different sport. Motorcycle racing IS scary - it's intimidating, it's fast, and sometimes you do have to grab a handful of brakes in the middle of the turn because that other racer is about to take out your front wheel. God I love this sport! :) - Brian Roach In a message dated 11/10/99 12:00:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > This is back-handed way of saying guys on bikes make you nervous, > intimidated? Maybe if I said something like the reason women would feel > better among other women on the track is that they are estrogen laden, we > could all walk away with something valuable. Probably not. > > I'm not clear that testosterone can be blamed for perceived "bad" behaviour. > Social upbringing probably is more to blame. Little boys are always > encouraged to try new things, be adventurous, take reasonable risks. Most > little girls are not, which answers why most women would feel intimidated > among men on a track. > > Don't blame testosterone for perceived risky behaviour, unless you want to > be blamed as meek because of estrogen. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 14:06:04 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25396 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:06:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA12862 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:06:00 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA08384 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:05:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA03001; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:06:25 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmalc9850; Wed, 10 Nov 99 13:56:58 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FKZ00672VYKHB@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256825.0066405F ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:36:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:38:12 -0500 Subject: RE: race school for Women To: Horkster Cc: "'DC Cycles'" , "Horstman, Tracy L" Message-id: <85256825.00664BA8.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Yeah, but who wins? :-) --chris To: 'DC Cycles' , "Horstman, Tracy L" cc: From: Horkster Date: 11/10/99 04:13:11 PM GMT Subject: RE: race school for Women We don't play much softball anymore. We ride instead. :) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 15:29:28 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26572 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13363 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:29:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12142 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26474 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:28:46 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991110152715.00c33510@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:27:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Vet Day Ride? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Just found out I am off tomorrow. Anyone up for an afternoon ride? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 16:11:33 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27199 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-221.patriot.net [209.249.180.221]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24817 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:11:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3829DDCB.7E639269@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:04:11 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: STOLEN BIKE !!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Location of theft: 20th & Clark Street - Crystal City Arlington VA. Time: Between 9:30 AM and Noon - Broad daylight! Description : Hmmm... weak on alpa jab stuff - Honda CBR (CBX) crotch rocket. Red & black with a streaky design. (like flames) Tale: Me'n my pal were taking are usaul post lunch srtoll, and we often check out the pack of bikes parked in a *free* spot at 20th & Clark. The owner was taping a pic of the bike to the lampost, and then he got in a cop car to tell his sad story. I look at the pic and go Holy Shit! Yes, as I swooped around the corner to go to my parking garage about 50 yards up 20th, I saw that bike parked at the end of the row!!! And now, not more'n 3 hour later - she be GONE! Keep an eyeball peeled for a R&B Honda go-fast machine. Sorry I don't have a tag # or a better designation, but it was a big `un and in cherry shape. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 16:15:32 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27306 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-221.patriot.net [209.249.180.221]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA25347; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:15:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3829DEAF.750F73D5@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:07:59 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kirt S." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: race school for Women References: <008c01bf2b8f$5111c520$4d5f800a@tsdell5av0f.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm... I've run across (not literally) a passell of women/girls who can outride me, but then I'm a cruising lamer. Bill Kirt S. wrote: > First things first...this is not an anti-women rider post. > I have never *personally* met (to my knowledge) a girl/woman that can > out-ride me. However when/if I do, I can assure you I will show the respect > she deserves. I'm most definitely a guy, and love doing "guy stuff" but I > wouldn't have my pride hurt by being beaten by a girl. I think that would > be cool. I'm all for having as many women riding as possible. Not to say I > wouldn't be a little competitive with her...I would be, but I wouldn't do > anything dumb or dangerous. Mostly the competition would be there just to > give me something to talk to her about afterwards... :-) > > Kirt > 99 F4 > > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: race school for Women > > >Linda wrote: > >Change the scenario slightly, make her a great rider, then what? A fair > >amount of competition might result. After all, what guy wants to be beaten > >by a GIRL?? (on the track, at least;-) Much bigger disaster might ensue. > > > >--- > > > >I don't have a problem with the all-women school, but I'd disagree to an > >extent with the scenario Linda describes above. I think at a racing school, > >most people would be far more concerned with (a) not crashing, and (b) > >learning as much as possible in that short amount of time. I personally > >can't picture having it make one iota of difference if there were women in > >a race school with me or not, and I can't believe I'm that different than > >most men in this respect. While I don't doubt that having attractive > >females in the class might make a difference for a few guys, the picture of > >most men as blatant glory-seeking, macho sex-hounds is pretty unrealistic. > > > >However, if women feel more comfortable in a class all their own, I say > >more power to 'em. > > > >Chris Weaver > >'98 VTR > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > >computer. > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 16:21:00 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27385 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-221.patriot.net [209.249.180.221]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA26061; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:20:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3829DFFE.7155C720@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:13:34 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Motorcycle painting References: <010c01bf2b94$f7d74e20$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes. After a wreck, HD told me it would take 2 months to get a *matching* fender out of thier paint shop, so I had them get a bare one and painted it myself. Used a panel gun instead of the big honking hoser I use on cars. Bill Mark Kitchell wrote: > Has anyone had their motorcyle parts painted locally? If so, with who and > about how much was it. I need a fairing piece painted VFR red. Its $260 > new, so I have some room to work with it. > > Thanks > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 16:23:40 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27405 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-221.patriot.net [209.249.180.221]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA26485; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:23:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3829E09E.BAFDB1A7@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:16:14 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kirt S." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: only a few days left. References: <00d401bf2b96$20a27630$4d5f800a@tsdell5av0f.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's a *special edition* Tommy H bike!!! ick - double ick. Gag me. Bill : > Way more than a standad R6. There are lots of "pretty boys" out there that > want to complete their pretty boy image by riding an "officical" tommy > hilfiger bike. I'm sure you could get 14-15 grand for it. But like I said, > Tommy Hilfiger is a racist SOB. I'd get rid of it for cheaper than that > just to not have it. > > Kirt > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell > To: matte@XXXXXX ; > christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: only a few days left. > > >Do you think this bike has a greater or lesser value than a standard R6. > >Could it be auctioned for 50%-100% more than the retail value? > > > >mark > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Matt Elliott > >To: 'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX' > >; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > >Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 10:49 AM > >Subject: RE: only a few days left. > > > > > >>If they were smart they'd make it available to enter online. I suppose if > >>you win you also get a tommy windbreaker and shorts to wear while riding > >>it! > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > >>[SMTP:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] > >>Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:30 AM > >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >>Subject: Re: only a few days left. > >> > >>Man, talk about the definition of a poser bike! If I win that thing (and I > >>did enter), the first things that I'll do are put a cover on it and put it > >>up for sale on this list. It might make a pretty healthy downpayment on an > >>RC51. Who wants first dibs? ;^) > >> > >>Chris Weaver > >>'98 VTR > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.yamahausa.com/ADS/HILFIGER/thr6_ad.html > >> > >>---------------------------------------------------------------- > >>The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > >>which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > >>material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > >>taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > >>entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > >>this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > >>computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 17:07:48 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (mb3.mailbank.com [209.133.104.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28105 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA17975 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:07:42 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991110170537.00744e10@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:05:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: only a few days left. In-Reply-To: <3829b4a9.152636410@mail.earthlink.net> References: <85256825.004FB583.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> <85256825.004FB583.00@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:09 PM 11/10/99 GMT, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: >I believe the fine print said you cannot transfer it to anyone. > >Guess you'll just have to ride it :) That's very interesting. How the hell can they keep me from selling something that I own. It sounds like they're going to keep title to it, which hardly counts as giving away the bike. Hell, you probably couldn't even collect if it got stolen. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 17:26:30 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28347 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:26:29 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id aUJBa19911 (4456); Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:26:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.77f47d95.255b4b08@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:26:16 EST Subject: Fog City Sheild Caution To: cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, motoguzzi@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 If any of you winter riders out there are using the Fog City sheild don't make the same mistake I did. DO NOT use Plexus or any similar plastic cleaning products on the sheild. Doing so will render it in-operative. Seems the Plexus product with its claimed ability to fill minor scratches, fill the pores in the Fog City product which are needed to make it work. I had used the Plexus several times over the summer to clean the inside of the face sheild which I installed last winter and couldn't figure out why it wasn't working on the colder AMs this year. Called Fog City and they related the above. Sure enough, I put on a new one and problem solved. Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 18:03:10 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29017 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:03:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-109-134.s134.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.134]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA18070 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:03:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00df01bf2bcf$ecd0e140$866daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: hooky revisited (kinda long) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:04:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Well, I had a great day of riding, even if it was alone. I was hoping some others would join me, but I understand as it was pretty late notice. I started out by riding to Fast Lane Cycles. While I was there, I had my VFR dynoed, 99.7 horsepower. I don't know if that is good or bad, but I know it now. The best thing was that the curve was very flat all the way through the gears. After leaving Fast Lane, I headed West and took any little road I could find and ended up in Leesburg so I stopped in on Bruce Norton, come to find out he was wrecked by an idiot and almost got run over in the process. I'll let him fill you in if he chooses. Fortunately he was mostly unscathed, definately lucky and blessed I would say. From Bruces house I headed West some more on the road that Loundon Co HS is on until I got to Purceville where I had to stop and have some Dunkin Doughnuts for lunch. I went on West and ended up on Rt. 7 for a few miles and then went South over Mount Weather to Rt. 50. Went 50 West to Valley cycles to go lust over the Duc 996 (one of the sexiest bikes IMO) and to look around the shop. They have some cool throw back mini-bikes that really look like the old Honda 80's that were popular back in the early and mid 70's. From Valley Cycle I went East and turned right on the first road past 340 heading south. I followed this all the way to Front Royal. A quick fill-up with gas and down Rt. 55 to Markham and then 688? through Hume and Orlean to a back road I know that goes into Warrenton. Ran by a friends house for a minute from there and then came home. Ended up going a little over 200 miles today. The VFR seems to be vibrating excessively about 6500 RPM so I've got to look into that. So, Troutman has already posted for a ride tomorrow; whose up for Tomorrow?! Where we meeting? What time? Danny '99 VFR '99 SV '93 DR 350 (sold) Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 21:11:21 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA02004 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:11:20 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id vVNQa27831 (4584); Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:10:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.56aca426.255b7f9d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:10:37 EST Subject: Re: only a few days left. To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 40 Me me me. :-) Scooter In a message dated 11/10/1999 9:49:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX writes: << Man, talk about the definition of a poser bike! If I win that thing (and I did enter), the first things that I'll do are put a cover on it and put it up for sale on this list. It might make a pretty healthy downpayment on an RC51. Who wants first dibs? ;^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 22:17:22 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA02993 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:17:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991111031718.24312.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:17:18 PST Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:17:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Non-Moto: Any linux guru's online tonight?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii as the subject line says, I need some linux help... been trying to install redhat 6.0 for a while now with now success.. and recently its gotten even worse... the boot sector of the hdd is somehow corrupt and hanging everything. I have tried both linux and dos Fdisk as well as format, but i can't clear the boot sector to load anyhting new on the machine... :( I am on ICQ at 435732, or if that isn't handy, I can turn on yahoo pager, or aol IM or via email would help too I suppose :) Thanks in advance Collin ps: I know I owe a few emails to some folks.. got behind over the past week or so...(you in particular Brian R... not blowing you off on purpose :)) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 22:24:42 1999 Return-Path: culimerc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03088 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:24:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from field-ops1 (user-2ivegqi.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.67.82]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA09576 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:24:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991110190138.0069d758@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: culimerc@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:01:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: James Hoofnagle Subject: Yet another multiple post Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Man, some of you guys don't get many second dates do you? One of the people that I admire most is woman named Sue Rippy. I used to race mountain bikes a while back, mostly in the expert categories. Sue was a "senior" rider (over 40). While she would get crushed on the climbs, on the descents she would scream. Not like we testestrone adled men, bashing our way through every rock, log and gully. But by picking her line very carefully and threading herself down the smoothest line. Amazing, graceful and unbelievibly fast. I always learned something from her everytime. Listening to the poor guys that got their butts run down by a women, much less a woman almost as old as their mother was great. Moral of the story is: A)There is plenty any of us can learn from one another (man,woman,or other), but we have pay attention first. And B) be careful, that woman that beats you through turn three could be your mom. As far as the Tommy bike, maybe you could paint it something like blaze orange, hot pink, and seafoam green camo. Thanks for all the advice about GPSs, and don't worry Dale, this is just another manifestation of my semi-useless toy fetish. I still plan on wondering Va.s backroads as lost as ever. And now that I've annoyed ya'll enough, Hookey on Friday anyone? See Ya' James E-TKT From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 22:33:08 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03220 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA16120 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:32:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA18821 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA04196; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:28:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:28:46 -0500 (EST) From: Tansey To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Vet Day Ride? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991110152715.00c33510@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Troutman wrote: > Just found out I am off tomorrow. Anyone up for an afternoon ride? I just found out our vacation is "use it or lose it" so I'm finishing my last week at work on the road. I'm not available until about 2:30-ish, but I'd love to meet up with folks and ride tomorrow. Shannon From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 10 23:40:25 1999 Return-Path: dmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from adsl-151-200-16-71.bellatlantic.net (root@XXXXXX [151.200.16.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA04154 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from jhereg.dmeyer.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [192.168.1.101]) by adsl-151-200-16-71.bellatlantic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06539 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:40:17 -0500 Received: (from dmeyer@localhost) by jhereg.dmeyer.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13152 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:40:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:40:16 -0500 From: Dave Meyer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Non-Moto: Any linux guru's online tonight?? Message-ID: <19991110234016.A13144@jhereg.dmeyer.org> Reply-To: dmeyer0@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In article <19991111031718.24312.rocketmail@XXXXXX> you write: > as the subject line says, I need some linux help... > been trying to install redhat 6.0 for a while now with now success.. > and recently its gotten even worse... the boot sector of the hdd is > somehow corrupt and hanging everything. I have tried both linux and dos > Fdisk as well as format, but i can't clear the boot sector to load > anyhting new on the machine... :( > I am on ICQ at 435732, or if that isn't handy, I can turn on yahoo > pager, or aol IM > or via email would help too I suppose :) Wow. I don't have any of that stuff - I guess I'm way behind the times on ways to kill time talking to people online. Anyway, from DOS, "FDISK /MBR" will rewrite your boot sector to it's original version. Feel free to e-mail me off-list if you have Linux questions. Dave -- David M. Meyer dmeyer0@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 07:56:25 1999 Return-Path: BrianN@XXXXXX Received: from TUCON.TUCON.COM (tucon2.tucon.com [216.112.125.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA12434 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by tucon.tucon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:02:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: Brian Nordwall To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: only a few days left Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:02:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" :>I believe the fine print said you cannot transfer it to anyone.>>Guess you'll just have to ride it :) I believe they a referring to the prize itself. Usually this means when I win, I am the only one that can claim the prize. After that I could sell the R6 (not that I will. Who cares it a Tommy H., its still a R6!) to anyone I wanted to. My 2 cents, See ya, Brian N 96 Yamaha FZR600 From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 08:48:34 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13147 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:48:33 -0500 (EST) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05290 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id IAA0000007018; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:48:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:48:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 146.135.27.10 I didn't see this in the news, but it came through on the Arlington County email crime report. FYI. Kimberly Roberson wrote: > ******************************************************* Do you like the daily crime report? Forward it to a friend! ********************************************************* November 10, 1999 CONTACT: Kim Roberson or Cpl. Justin McNaull 703-228-4050 ARLINGTON POLICE INVESTIGATING DEADLY MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT Arlington County Police are investigating a crash at the intersection of Walter Reed Dr. and Columbia Pike that left one person dead and another seriously injured. The accident occurred around 7:55 p.m. when a motorcycle carrying two people hit a Ford minivan as it attempted to make a left turn. The motorcycle was travelling west-bound on Columbia Pike, the minivan eastbound on Columbia Pike. The minivan was turning left onto Walter Reed when the motorcycle struck it. Both people onboard the motorcycle were thrown from the vehicle. A 28-year old man died at the scene. A woman was transported by helicopter to Inova Fairfax Hospital with serious injuries. The driver of the minivan was not injured in the crash. The investigation into the cause of this accident is ongoing. Charges are pending. ***************************************************************** We are supported by sponsors, and need your help to stay in business -- please tell a friend to subscribe today at http://www.crimereports.com ***************************************************************** TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.crimereports.com/unsubscribe.html ***************************************************************** Copyright 1999 Crime Reports. Thanks for subscribing. ***************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 08:51:19 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13224 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18716 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:53:47 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D88BB@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: race school for Women Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:53:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Having lurked the thread for a couple dozen messages, what's the point again? Will the gals who take this women's only class be prepared on race day? Do women's only classes and co-ed classes learn the same information? Do both types of classes receive the same training to develop the required racing skills? Does anyone know of a study that shows how well women race with respect to which type of instruction they have received? Programs of instruction and measured performance will show us the way. Happy riding, Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 09:06:57 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13449 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:06:55 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256826.004E67CF ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:16:23 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256826.004E65F9.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:01:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I love the way they worded it! : ( The motorcycle STRUCK THE VAN!!??? Sounds like the van turned in front of the bike, to me! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 johnwhiteside@XXXXXX@mindspring.com on 11/11/99 08:48:32 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 I didn't see this in the news, but it came through on the Arlington County email crime report. FYI. Kimberly Roberson wrote: > ******************************************************* Do you like the daily crime report? Forward it to a friend! ********************************************************* November 10, 1999 CONTACT: Kim Roberson or Cpl. Justin McNaull 703-228-4050 ARLINGTON POLICE INVESTIGATING DEADLY MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT Arlington County Police are investigating a crash at the intersection of Walter Reed Dr. and Columbia Pike that left one person dead and another seriously injured. The accident occurred around 7:55 p.m. when a motorcycle carrying two people hit a Ford minivan as it attempted to make a left turn. The motorcycle was travelling west-bound on Columbia Pike, the minivan eastbound on Columbia Pike. The minivan was turning left onto Walter Reed when the motorcycle struck it. Both people onboard the motorcycle were thrown from the vehicle. A 28-year old man died at the scene. A woman was transported by helicopter to Inova Fairfax Hospital with serious injuries. The driver of the minivan was not injured in the crash. The investigation into the cause of this accident is ongoing. Charges are pending. ***************************************************************** We are supported by sponsors, and need your help to stay in business -- please tell a friend to subscribe today at http://www.crimereports.com ***************************************************************** TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.crimereports.com/unsubscribe.html ***************************************************************** Copyright 1999 Crime Reports. Thanks for subscribing. ***************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 09:34:41 1999 Return-Path: fj1100@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13831 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:34:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FL100J7GF4VID@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:34:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:37:57 -0500 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 In-reply-to: <85256826.004E65F9.00@172.16.2.37> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <003701bf2c52$58cf8a40$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) You catch that too? Amazing. I hate the media. You know if I was gunned down riding my motorcycle, the headline would read "Motorcyclist slams head into bullet" > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX > [mailto:Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:02 AM > To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 > > > > > I love the way they worded it! : ( The motorcycle STRUCK THE > VAN!!??? Sounds > like the van turned in front of the bike, to me! > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > johnwhiteside@XXXXXX@mindspring.com on 11/11/99 08:48:32 AM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > Subject: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 > > > > I didn't see this in the news, but it came through on the > Arlington County email > crime report. FYI. > > Kimberly Roberson wrote: > > ******************************************************* > Do you like the daily crime report? Forward it to a friend! > ********************************************************* > November 10, 1999 CONTACT: Kim Roberson or > Cpl. Justin McNaull > 703-228-4050 > > ARLINGTON POLICE INVESTIGATING DEADLY MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT > > Arlington County Police are investigating a crash at the > intersection of Walter > Reed Dr. and Columbia Pike that left one person dead and another seriously > injured. > > The accident occurred around 7:55 p.m. when a motorcycle carrying > two people hit > a Ford minivan as it attempted to make a left turn. The motorcycle was > travelling west-bound on Columbia Pike, the minivan eastbound on > Columbia Pike. > The minivan was turning left onto Walter Reed when the motorcycle > struck it. > Both people onboard the motorcycle were thrown from the vehicle. > A 28-year old > man died at the scene. A woman was transported by helicopter to > Inova Fairfax > Hospital with serious injuries. The driver of the minivan was not > injured in the > crash. > > The investigation into the cause of this accident is ongoing. Charges are > pending. > > > ***************************************************************** > We are supported by sponsors, and need your help to stay in business -- > please tell a friend to subscribe today at http://www.crimereports.com > ***************************************************************** > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: > Go to http://www.crimereports.com/unsubscribe.html > ***************************************************************** > Copyright 1999 Crime Reports. Thanks for subscribing. > ***************************************************************** > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 09:34:46 1999 Return-Path: rrapp@XXXXXX Received: from popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.251.102]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13834 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:34:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov (rappr.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.146.5]) by popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA27425 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:34:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19991111093123.00825800@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rrapp@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:31:23 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Robert Rapp Subject: Re: motorcycle accident 11/10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From the description, I'd agree with Jeannette: the m'cyclist was cut-off! This happened to me back in '87 though then I was in a cage. The driver of the oncoming vehicle was charged for recklessness and DWI. (He was in an antique fire-truck on his way to a parade.) Me: a Toyota Tercel and was fortunate to walk away just dazed and bruised (car was totaled). I certainly hope they rule in favor of the m'cyclist if only so the woman can have SOME piece-of-mind. A friend of mine lost his brother that way also. He was riding a Harley with his back toward the Sun. The on-coming driver was blinded and didn't see him coming. At 7:55pm, I doubt sunlight would be an issue. However, with it being a Holiday today, I'd suspect alcohol was involved. Bob -'97 VFR At 09:01 AM 11/11/99 -0500, Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > >I love the way they worded it! : ( The motorcycle STRUCK THE VAN!!??? Sounds >like the van turned in front of the bike, to me! > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > >johnwhiteside@XXXXXX@mindspring.com on 11/11/99 08:48:32 AM > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >cc: >Subject: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 > > > >I didn't see this in the news, but it came through on the Arlington County email >crime report. FYI. > >Kimberly Roberson wrote: >> ******************************************************* >Do you like the daily crime report? Forward it to a friend! >********************************************************* >November 10, 1999 CONTACT: Kim Roberson or > Cpl. Justin McNaull > 703-228-4050 > >ARLINGTON POLICE INVESTIGATING DEADLY MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT > >Arlington County Police are investigating a crash at the intersection of Walter >Reed Dr. and Columbia Pike that left one person dead and another seriously >injured. > >The accident occurred around 7:55 p.m. when a motorcycle carrying two people hit >a Ford minivan as it attempted to make a left turn. The motorcycle was >travelling west-bound on Columbia Pike, the minivan eastbound on Columbia Pike. >The minivan was turning left onto Walter Reed when the motorcycle struck it. >Both people onboard the motorcycle were thrown from the vehicle. A 28-year old >man died at the scene. A woman was transported by helicopter to Inova Fairfax >Hospital with serious injuries. The driver of the minivan was not injured in the >crash. > >The investigation into the cause of this accident is ongoing. Charges are >pending. > > >***************************************************************** >We are supported by sponsors, and need your help to stay in business -- >please tell a friend to subscribe today at http://www.crimereports.com >***************************************************************** >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: >Go to http://www.crimereports.com/unsubscribe.html >***************************************************************** >Copyright 1999 Crime Reports. Thanks for subscribing. >***************************************************************** > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 09:36:46 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13920 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:36:45 -0500 (EST) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id qONGa15280 (4068); Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:36:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.a509873b.255c2e53@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:36:03 EST Subject: SUZUKI KATANE 600 for sale. To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX, johnwhiteside@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 I saw this in the parking lot at Crofton, MD K-Mart with a for sale sign; thought some of you might like to know. Suzuki Katane 600, 5828 miles, Lic # 128D73, looks is excellent condition; phone number 410-451-4520 Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 09:41:00 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13934 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-109-166.s166.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.166]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA12863 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:40:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <020801bf2c4e$64518ac0$a66daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: wrenching Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:09:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 If anyone is really bored, I am going to be working on the VFR a little today, changing plugs, air filter etc. Your welcome to come over and watch, help wrench on your bike, etc. Then we can go riding this afternoon! :) Danny '99 VFR '99 SV '93 DR 350 (sold) Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 10:06:56 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14340 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:06:54 -0500 (EST) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28865; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id KAA0000012763; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:06:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:06:47 -0500 To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 146.135.27.10 I interpreted as the bike hit the van... probably after the van cut the bike off. Literally true but kind of missing the point, don't you think... I know that intersection (I live near it) and it's not a good one. Lots of left turns because it's 2 major roads, bad light cycles, bad visibility. Shudder. I've never exactly liked riding or driving through it or even crossing the street there. Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > I love the way they worded it! : ( The motorcycle STRUCK THE VAN!!??? Sounds like the van turned in front of the bike, to me! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 johnwhiteside@XXXXXX@mindspring.com on 11/11/99 08:48:32 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 I didn't see this in the news, but it came through on the Arlington County email crime report. FYI. Kimberly Roberson wrote: > ******************************************************* Do you like the daily crime report? Forward it to a friend! ********************************************************* November 10, 1999 CONTACT: Kim Roberson or Cpl. Justin McNaull 703-228-4050 ARLINGTON POLICE INVESTIGATING DEADLY MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT Arlington County Police are investigating a crash at the intersection of Walter Reed Dr. and Columbia Pike that left one person dead and another seriously injured. The accident occurred around 7:55 p.m. when a motorcycle carrying two people hit a Ford minivan as it attempted to make a left turn. The motorcycle was travelling west-bound on Columbia Pike, the minivan eastbound on Columbia Pike. The minivan was turning left onto Walter Reed when the motorcycle struck it. Both people onboard the motorcycle were thrown from the vehicle. A 28-year old man died at the scene. A woman was transported by helicopter to Inova Fairfax Hospital with serious injuries. The driver of the minivan was not injured in the crash. The investigation into the cause of this accident is ongoing. Charges are pending. ***************************************************************** We are supported by sponsors, and need your help to stay in business -- please tell a friend to subscribe today at http://www.crimereports.com ***************************************************************** TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.crimereports.com/unsubscribe.html ***************************************************************** Copyright 1999 Crime Reports. Thanks for subscribing. ***************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 10:08:32 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14372 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:08:30 -0500 (EST) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14235; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id KAA0000013589; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:08:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:08:31 -0500 To: Gary Foreman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 146.135.27.10 Well, it's not the media, it's the police report, which says it's "still under investigation," right? So I can understand that if the investigating officer hasn't reached a conclusion, they don't say it (although it seems pretty damn hard to miss). Gary Foreman wrote: > You catch that too? Amazing. I hate the media. You know if I was gunned down riding my motorcycle, the headline would read "Motorcyclist slams head into bullet" > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX > [mailto:Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:02 AM > To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 > > > > > I love the way they worded it! : ( The motorcycle STRUCK THE > VAN!!??? Sounds > like the van turned in front of the bike, to me! > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > johnwhiteside@XXXXXX@mindspring.com on 11/11/99 08:48:32 AM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > Subject: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 > > > > I didn't see this in the news, but it came through on the > Arlington County email > crime report. FYI. > > Kimberly Roberson wrote: > > ******************************************************* > Do you like the daily crime report? Forward it to a friend! > ********************************************************* > November 10, 1999 CONTACT: Kim Roberson or > Cpl. Justin McNaull > 703-228-4050 > > ARLINGTON POLICE INVESTIGATING DEADLY MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT > > Arlington County Police are investigating a crash at the > intersection of Walter > Reed Dr. and Columbia Pike that left one person dead and another seriously > injured. > > The accident occurred around 7:55 p.m. when a motorcycle carrying > two people hit > a Ford minivan as it attempted to make a left turn. The motorcycle was > travelling west-bound on Columbia Pike, the minivan eastbound on > Columbia Pike. > The minivan was turning left onto Walter Reed when the motorcycle > struck it. > Both people onboard the motorcycle were thrown from the vehicle. > A 28-year old > man died at the scene. A woman was transported by helicopter to > Inova Fairfax > Hospital with serious injuries. The driver of the minivan was not > injured in the > crash. > > The investigation into the cause of this accident is ongoing. Charges are > pending. > > > ***************************************************************** > We are supported by sponsors, and need your help to stay in business -- > please tell a friend to subscribe today at http://www.crimereports.com > ***************************************************************** > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: > Go to http://www.crimereports.com/unsubscribe.html > ***************************************************************** > Copyright 1999 Crime Reports. Thanks for subscribing. > ***************************************************************** > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 10:08:32 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14371 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FL10002YGCOZG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:00:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA20024 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:58:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.209]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991111150027.FLIV15158@toddnt> for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:00:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:56:41 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: Fixer upper To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <000301bf2c54$f674ada0$d1b024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Spam for you: I still have an '85 VF500F Honda Interceptor for sale. - The bike is not running now. - The bike will run once the following is added: - Fuel Pump ($80) - Fuel Filter ($5) - Gasoline ($ymmv) - Tuning - The bike needs a set of tires ($120) - The paint schemes has been altered to black/blue My garage is becoming very crowded and I need to make room. I worked on this bike (carbs, valve adjust) a lot last year about this time, but lost interest as the wx got better. I paid $500 for it from a friend, but since I want to get rid of it I will entertain reasonable offers. If you race one of these, you can NOT pass it by. It is not a parts bike, it is complete (except for items listed above) Todd (email me privately) From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 10:11:15 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14395 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:11:14 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256826.00544AA1 ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:20:41 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX cc: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256826.00544969.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:05:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I still think the wording of "bike hit the van" is inflammatory and tends to make the reader think the bike was at fault. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 johnwhiteside@XXXXXX@mindspring.com on 11/11/99 10:06:47 AM To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 I interpreted as the bike hit the van... probably after the van cut the bike off. Literally true but kind of missing the point, don't you think... I know that intersection (I live near it) and it's not a good one. Lots of left turns because it's 2 major roads, bad light cycles, bad visibility. Shudder. I've never exactly liked riding or driving through it or even crossing the street there. Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > I love the way they worded it! : ( The motorcycle STRUCK THE VAN!!??? Sounds like the van turned in front of the bike, to me! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 johnwhiteside@XXXXXX@mindspring.com on 11/11/99 08:48:32 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 I didn't see this in the news, but it came through on the Arlington County email crime report. FYI. Kimberly Roberson wrote: > ******************************************************* Do you like the daily crime report? Forward it to a friend! ********************************************************* November 10, 1999 CONTACT: Kim Roberson or Cpl. Justin McNaull 703-228-4050 ARLINGTON POLICE INVESTIGATING DEADLY MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT Arlington County Police are investigating a crash at the intersection of Walter Reed Dr. and Columbia Pike that left one person dead and another seriously injured. The accident occurred around 7:55 p.m. when a motorcycle carrying two people hit a Ford minivan as it attempted to make a left turn. The motorcycle was travelling west-bound on Columbia Pike, the minivan eastbound on Columbia Pike. The minivan was turning left onto Walter Reed when the motorcycle struck it. Both people onboard the motorcycle were thrown from the vehicle. A 28-year old man died at the scene. A woman was transported by helicopter to Inova Fairfax Hospital with serious injuries. The driver of the minivan was not injured in the crash. The investigation into the cause of this accident is ongoing. 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Thanks for subscribing. ***************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 10:11:22 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14405 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:11:19 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA14434; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:11:20 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma014173; Thu, 11 Nov 99 09:49:28 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FL100G6DG0YRI@XXXXXX>; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256826.00514989 ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:47:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:48:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Cc: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256826.00515901.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Who hit who doesn't necessarily determine fault. If the van turned left infront of the bike (and the bike hit it) the van is still at fault. Regardless of the incident one vehicle still has to "hit" the other. I think you read too much into it. --chris To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Date: 11/11/99 02:01:33 PM GMT Subject: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 I love the way they worded it! : ( The motorcycle STRUCK THE VAN!!??? Sounds like the van turned in front of the bike, to me! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 johnwhiteside@XXXXXX@mindspring.com on 11/11/99 08:48:32 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 I didn't see this in the news, but it came through on the Arlington County email crime report. FYI. Kimberly Roberson wrote: > ******************************************************* Do you like the daily crime report? Forward it to a friend! ********************************************************* November 10, 1999 CONTACT: Kim Roberson or Cpl. Justin McNaull 703-228-4050 ARLINGTON POLICE INVESTIGATING DEADLY MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT Arlington County Police are investigating a crash at the intersection of Walter Reed Dr. and Columbia Pike that left one person dead and another seriously injured. The accident occurred around 7:55 p.m. when a motorcycle carrying two people hit a Ford minivan as it attempted to make a left turn. The motorcycle was travelling west-bound on Columbia Pike, the minivan eastbound on Columbia Pike. The minivan was turning left onto Walter Reed when the motorcycle struck it. Both people onboard the motorcycle were thrown from the vehicle. A 28-year old man died at the scene. A woman was transported by helicopter to Inova Fairfax Hospital with serious injuries. The driver of the minivan was not injured in the crash. The investigation into the cause of this accident is ongoing. 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If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 10:14:19 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14501 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:14:18 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256826.0054924D ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:23:44 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX cc: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX, johnwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256826.005490CD.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:08:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I don't agree. I think wording can be "everything" when scanning an article and I think the media simply puts bikers in a negative light too much. My opinion, of course. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 on 11/11/99 09:48:38 AM To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX cc: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 Who hit who doesn't necessarily determine fault. If the van turned left infront of the bike (and the bike hit it) the van is still at fault. Regardless of the incident one vehicle still has to "hit" the other. I think you read too much into it. --chris From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 10:17:37 1999 Return-Path: nelson@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14542 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:17:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pti.com (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id KAA23941; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:19:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <382ADBCE.D022A8D8@pti.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:07:58 -0500 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: STOLEN BIKE !!! References: <3829DDCB.7E639269@patriot.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------576BACE552F94BC0678B85BB" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------576BACE552F94BC0678B85BB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill I Have the guys # and will try and get some more info from him early next week. I drive the FZR that was parked right next to it when it was stolen. Freaked me out a little when I read his flier. Some times it is better not to have the nicest bike on the block. I will post more when I get the info on the bike. It was a 1998 Honda CBR900RR and this is what the bike looked like. Nelson Bill Huson wrote: > Location of theft: 20th & Clark Street - Crystal City Arlington VA. > Time: Between 9:30 AM and Noon - Broad daylight! > Description : Hmmm... weak on alpa jab stuff - Honda CBR (CBX) crotch > rocket. Red & black with a streaky design. 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johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 146.135.27.10 I agree, sort of, the thing if it's literally true, I'm not sure what the police are supposed to do in their reporting... particularly if they have not at this point issued any citation... It sounds to me like basic bonehead cager stuff, but I don't really know, not having been there, and with no other details in the report... Also I think it's worth noting that this is not the media saying anything, this is the police department. If people would like, I'll pop an email back to the people who do the Arlington crime reports email bulletins and ask if they have guidelines about this stuff. I probably won't have a minute till late today though (I shouldn't even be reading my personal email now, I'm so busy at work!). Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > I still think the wording of "bike hit the van" is inflammatory and tends to make the reader think the bike was at fault. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 johnwhiteside@XXXXXX@mindspring.com on 11/11/99 10:06:47 AM To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 I interpreted as the bike hit the van... probably after the van cut the bike off. Literally true but kind of missing the point, don't you think... I know that intersection (I live near it) and it's not a good one. Lots of left turns because it's 2 major roads, bad light cycles, bad visibility. Shudder. I've never exactly liked riding or driving through it or even crossing the street there. Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > I love the way they worded it! : ( The motorcycle STRUCK THE VAN!!??? Sounds like the van turned in front of the bike, to me! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 johnwhiteside@XXXXXX@mindspring.com on 11/11/99 08:48:32 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 I didn't see this in the news, but it came through on the Arlington County email crime report. FYI. Kimberly Roberson wrote: > ******************************************************* Do you like the daily crime report? Forward it to a friend! ********************************************************* November 10, 1999 CONTACT: Kim Roberson or Cpl. Justin McNaull 703-228-4050 ARLINGTON POLICE INVESTIGATING DEADLY MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT Arlington County Police are investigating a crash at the intersection of Walter Reed Dr. and Columbia Pike that left one person dead and another seriously injured. The accident occurred around 7:55 p.m. when a motorcycle carrying two people hit a Ford minivan as it attempted to make a left turn. The motorcycle was travelling west-bound on Columbia Pike, the minivan eastbound on Columbia Pike. The minivan was turning left onto Walter Reed when the motorcycle struck it. Both people onboard the motorcycle were thrown from the vehicle. A 28-year old man died at the scene. A woman was transported by helicopter to Inova Fairfax Hospital with serious injuries. The driver of the minivan was not injured in the crash. The investigation into the cause of this accident is ongoing. Charges are pending. ***************************************************************** We are supported by sponsors, and need your help to stay in business -- please tell a friend to subscribe today at http://www.crimereports.com ***************************************************************** TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.crimereports.com/unsubscribe.html ***************************************************************** Copyright 1999 Crime Reports. Thanks for subscribing. ***************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 10:44:00 1999 Return-Path: cambion@XXXXXX Received: from mux.net (mux.net [207.96.40.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14999 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:43:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (cambion@localhost) by mux.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13817; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:45:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cambion@XXXXXX) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:45:40 -0500 (EST) From: cambion To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX cc: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 In-Reply-To: <85256826.00544969.00@172.16.2.37> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I agree that the media doesn't paint a pretty picture of motorcyclists, but for all we know the person driving the bike was drunk, speeding and ran a red light, while the van driver was making a left turn with a green arrow. Can't go screaming and pointing fingers without knowing exactly what happened. Cambion On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I still think the wording of "bike hit the van" is inflammatory and tends to > make the reader think the bike was at fault. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > > > > johnwhiteside@XXXXXX@mindspring.com on 11/11/99 10:06:47 AM > > > To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX > cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 > > > > I interpreted as the bike hit the van... probably after the van cut the bike > off. Literally true but kind of missing the point, don't you think... > > I know that intersection (I live near it) and it's not a good one. Lots of left > turns because it's 2 major roads, bad light cycles, bad visibility. Shudder. > I've never exactly liked riding or driving through it or even crossing the > street there. > > Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > I love the way they worded it! : ( The motorcycle STRUCK THE VAN!!??? Sounds > like the van turned in front of the bike, to me! > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > johnwhiteside@XXXXXX@mindspring.com on 11/11/99 08:48:32 AM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > Subject: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 > > > > I didn't see this in the news, but it came through on the Arlington County email > crime report. FYI. > > Kimberly Roberson wrote: > > ******************************************************* > Do you like the daily crime report? Forward it to a friend! > ********************************************************* > November 10, 1999 CONTACT: Kim Roberson or > Cpl. Justin McNaull > 703-228-4050 > > ARLINGTON POLICE INVESTIGATING DEADLY MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT > > Arlington County Police are investigating a crash at the intersection of Walter > Reed Dr. and Columbia Pike that left one person dead and another seriously > injured. > > The accident occurred around 7:55 p.m. when a motorcycle carrying two people hit > a Ford minivan as it attempted to make a left turn. The motorcycle was > travelling west-bound on Columbia Pike, the minivan eastbound on Columbia Pike. > The minivan was turning left onto Walter Reed when the motorcycle struck it. > Both people onboard the motorcycle were thrown from the vehicle. A 28-year old > man died at the scene. A woman was transported by helicopter to Inova Fairfax > Hospital with serious injuries. The driver of the minivan was not injured in the > crash. > > The investigation into the cause of this accident is ongoing. Charges are > pending. > > > ***************************************************************** > We are supported by sponsors, and need your help to stay in business -- > please tell a friend to subscribe today at http://www.crimereports.com > ***************************************************************** > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: > Go to http://www.crimereports.com/unsubscribe.html > ***************************************************************** > Copyright 1999 Crime Reports. Thanks for subscribing. > ***************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cambion --- Cambion@XXXXXX --- ICQ: 212086 --- http://www.blood-dance.net/hls/cambion --- Internet Systems Engineer - UUNET, an MCI Worldcom Company - Remember you don't really own anything you can't carry at a dead run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 10:46:55 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15062 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:46:53 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256826.00578E76 ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:56:21 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: cambion cc: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX, johnwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256826.00578C85.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:41:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I am definitely not screaming nor am I pointing fingers. I am just saying that I think usually (and in my experience this has been proved true) bikers get a bum rap. Screaming would look this this - AHHHHHHH - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 cambion on 11/11/99 10:45:40 AM To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX cc: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 I agree that the media doesn't paint a pretty picture of motorcyclists, but for all we know the person driving the bike was drunk, speeding and ran a red light, while the van driver was making a left turn with a green arrow. Can't go screaming and pointing fingers without knowing exactly what happened. Cambion On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I still think the wording of "bike hit the van" is inflammatory and tends to > make the reader think the bike was at fault. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > > > > johnwhiteside@XXXXXX@mindspring.com on 11/11/99 10:06:47 AM > > > To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX > cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 > > > > I interpreted as the bike hit the van... probably after the van cut the bike > off. Literally true but kind of missing the point, don't you think... > > I know that intersection (I live near it) and it's not a good one. Lots of left > turns because it's 2 major roads, bad light cycles, bad visibility. Shudder. > I've never exactly liked riding or driving through it or even crossing the > street there. > > Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > I love the way they worded it! : ( The motorcycle STRUCK THE VAN!!??? Sounds > like the van turned in front of the bike, to me! > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > johnwhiteside@XXXXXX@mindspring.com on 11/11/99 08:48:32 AM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > Subject: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 > > > > I didn't see this in the news, but it came through on the Arlington County email > crime report. FYI. > > Kimberly Roberson wrote: > > ******************************************************* > Do you like the daily crime report? Forward it to a friend! > ********************************************************* > November 10, 1999 CONTACT: Kim Roberson or > Cpl. Justin McNaull > 703-228-4050 > > ARLINGTON POLICE INVESTIGATING DEADLY MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT > > Arlington County Police are investigating a crash at the intersection of Walter > Reed Dr. and Columbia Pike that left one person dead and another seriously > injured. > > The accident occurred around 7:55 p.m. when a motorcycle carrying two people hit > a Ford minivan as it attempted to make a left turn. The motorcycle was > travelling west-bound on Columbia Pike, the minivan eastbound on Columbia Pike. > The minivan was turning left onto Walter Reed when the motorcycle struck it. > Both people onboard the motorcycle were thrown from the vehicle. A 28-year old > man died at the scene. A woman was transported by helicopter to Inova Fairfax > Hospital with serious injuries. The driver of the minivan was not injured in the > crash. > > The investigation into the cause of this accident is ongoing. Charges are > pending. > > > ***************************************************************** > We are supported by sponsors, and need your help to stay in business -- > please tell a friend to subscribe today at http://www.crimereports.com > ***************************************************************** > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: > Go to http://www.crimereports.com/unsubscribe.html > ***************************************************************** > Copyright 1999 Crime Reports. Thanks for subscribing. > ***************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cambion --- Cambion@XXXXXX --- ICQ: 212086 --- http://www.blood-dance.net/hls/cambion --- Internet Systems Engineer - UUNET, an MCI Worldcom Company - Remember you don't really own anything you can't carry at a dead run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 10:59:37 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15232 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:59:34 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA20532; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:59:43 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma018413; Thu, 11 Nov 99 10:35:45 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FL1002AHI5WPZ@XXXXXX>; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256826.005581ED ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:33:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:34:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256826.00558B75.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL You are correct, wording can be everything in an article. However, it can also be a fact that the bike hit the van, even though it is the van's fault. As for the meda putting bikers in a bad light ... I agree. --chris To: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US@Americas-US cc: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX, johnwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Date: 11/11/99 03:08:54 PM GMT Subject: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 I don't agree. I think wording can be "everything" when scanning an article and I think the media simply puts bikers in a negative light too much. My opinion, of course. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 on 11/11/99 09:48:38 AM To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX cc: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 Who hit who doesn't necessarily determine fault. If the van turned left infront of the bike (and the bike hit it) the van is still at fault. Regardless of the incident one vehicle still has to "hit" the other. I think you read too much into it. --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 13:45:48 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00502 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA12826 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:45:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:45:32 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: MD inspection report Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Earlier today I took my street legalized KLX (a dirt only bike as sold in the states) to Good's Exxon in Waldorf for an inspection. A few minutes and $18 later and I was on my way. I've also used the gas station in Potomac for inspections but paid more than twice as much and was failed for something that went through in Waldorf (no chain guard). Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 14:28:30 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01312 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FL100FCDFVD5G@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:50:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA15453 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:48:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.209]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991111145006.FIER15158@toddnt> for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:50:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:46:37 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 In-reply-to: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000201bf2c53$8e999200$d1b024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal This was reported in the Washington post as well. Does anyone know anything about this? Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX [mailto:johnwhiteside@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 8:49 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 > > > I didn't see this in the news, but it came through on the > Arlington County email crime report. FYI. > > Kimberly Roberson wrote: > > ******************************************************* > Do you like the daily crime report? Forward it to a friend! > ********************************************************* > November 10, 1999 CONTACT: Kim Roberson or > Cpl. Justin McNaull > 703-228-4050 > > ARLINGTON POLICE INVESTIGATING DEADLY MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT > > Arlington County Police are investigating a crash at the > intersection of Walter Reed Dr. and Columbia Pike that left one > person dead and another seriously injured. > > The accident occurred around 7:55 p.m. when a motorcycle carrying > two people hit a Ford minivan as it attempted to make a left > turn. The motorcycle was travelling west-bound on Columbia Pike, > the minivan eastbound on Columbia Pike. The minivan was turning > left onto Walter Reed when the motorcycle struck it. Both people > onboard the motorcycle were thrown from the vehicle. A 28-year > old man died at the scene. A woman was transported by helicopter > to Inova Fairfax Hospital with serious injuries. The driver of > the minivan was not injured in the crash. > > The investigation into the cause of this accident is ongoing. > Charges are pending. > > > ***************************************************************** > We are supported by sponsors, and need your help to stay in business -- > please tell a friend to subscribe today at http://www.crimereports.com > ***************************************************************** > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: > Go to http://www.crimereports.com/unsubscribe.html > ***************************************************************** > Copyright 1999 Crime Reports. Thanks for subscribing. > ***************************************************************** > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 15:11:10 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02176 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-29.patriot.net [209.249.180.29]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA14241; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:10:53 -0500 Message-ID: <382B2115.29B6544D@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:03:33 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nelson Fernandez CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: STOLEN BIKE !!! References: <3829DDCB.7E639269@patriot.net> <382ADBCE.D022A8D8@pti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, thanks for the pic. Yep, that's the bike - damn nice looking ride. As I mentioned me'n my pal stroll past there a few times a week and pretty much know the bikes - save for the new green enduro that popped in for a few days last week. I park mine down in the garage next to the free bike zone. seeing as how it's all bug-slimy it's probably not a hot number on the boost list :-) Bill Nelson Fernandez wrote: > Bill > I Have the guys # and will try and get some more info from him early next > week. I drive the FZR that was parked right next to it when it was stolen. > Freaked me out a little when I read his flier. Some times it is better not > to have the nicest bike on the block. I will post more when I get the info > on the bike. It was a 1998 Honda CBR900RR and this is what the bike looked > like. > Nelson > > Bill Huson wrote: > > > Location of theft: 20th & Clark Street - Crystal City Arlington VA. > > Time: Between 9:30 AM and Noon - Broad daylight! > > Description : Hmmm... weak on alpa jab stuff - Honda CBR (CBX) crotch > > rocket. Red & black with a streaky design. (like flames) > > > > Tale: Me'n my pal were taking are usaul post lunch srtoll, and we often > > check out the pack of bikes parked in a *free* spot at 20th & Clark. The > > owner was taping a pic of the bike to the lampost, and then he got in a > > cop car to tell his sad story. I look at the pic and go Holy Shit! Yes, > > as I swooped around the corner to go to my parking garage about 50 yards > > up 20th, I saw that bike parked at the end of the row!!! And now, not > > more'n 3 hour later - she be GONE! > > > > Keep an eyeball peeled for a R&B Honda go-fast machine. Sorry I don't > > have a tag # or a better designation, but it was a big `un and in cherry > > shape. > > > > Bill > > -- > Nelson Fernandez > Network Administrator > Production Technology, Inc. > 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 > Arlington, VA 22202 > Phone 703.271.9055 > Fax 703.271.9059 > www. http://www.pti.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [Image] From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 15:15:24 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02341 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:15:23 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id qYMTa03953 (3996); Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:14:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.7aa4a109.255c7db2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:14:42 EST Subject: Re: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX, johnwhiteside@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Really - all they had to do was write, "the van turned in front of the bike, subsequently the bike struck the van..." or something like that. Marcy In a message dated 11/11/99 10:16:46 AM, Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX writes: << I still think the wording of "bike hit the van" is inflammatory and tends to make the reader think the bike was at fault. >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 15:16:32 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02351 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FL100IDAJ8ZZW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:03:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA00123 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:58:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.209]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991111160302.GDGQ15158@toddnt> for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:03:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:59:40 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: VIN Research To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <000601bf2c5d$c2c11e40$d1b024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Anybody know of a service that will perform diligence on motorcycles. I understand this service is available for cars for around $15 per V.I.N. tia, Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 15:20:10 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02429 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:20:08 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256826.007094DB ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:29:41 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX cc: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX, johnwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256826.007093F4.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:14:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline True, that is what I meant. Tone and wording is everything in writing, in my opinion. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 JinnSinn@XXXXXX on 11/11/99 03:14:42 PM To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX, johnwhiteside@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 Really - all they had to do was write, "the van turned in front of the bike, subsequently the bike struck the van..." or something like that. Marcy In a message dated 11/11/99 10:16:46 AM, Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX writes: << I still think the wording of "bike hit the van" is inflammatory and tends to make the reader think the bike was at fault. >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 15:24:32 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02459 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-29.patriot.net [209.249.180.29]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA15866; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:24:24 -0500 Message-ID: <382B2440.885D7317@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:17:04 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit investigating & charges pending may mean several things. Who had the right of way, who had a load on, and possibly a charge of vehicular manslaughter if the van driver was guilty on the first two counts. The same thing happened to me spring before last. I was damn lucky body-injury-wise, and also had several eyewitnesses including two bikers behind me who had the space to take evasive action. What pissed me off was the fine - the geezer had to pay a measily $25 for failure to yield, and there was no requirement that he be retested for driving ability at age 82. Bill johnwhiteside@XXXXXX wrote: > I didn't see this in the news, but it came through on the Arlington County email crime report. FYI. > > Kimberly Roberson wrote: > > ******************************************************* > Do you like the daily crime report? Forward it to a friend! > ********************************************************* > November 10, 1999 CONTACT: Kim Roberson or > Cpl. Justin McNaull > 703-228-4050 > > ARLINGTON POLICE INVESTIGATING DEADLY MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT > > Arlington County Police are investigating a crash at the intersection of Walter Reed Dr. and Columbia Pike that left one person dead and another seriously injured. > > The accident occurred around 7:55 p.m. when a motorcycle carrying two people hit a Ford minivan as it attempted to make a left turn. The motorcycle was travelling west-bound on Columbia Pike, the minivan eastbound on Columbia Pike. The minivan was turning left onto Walter Reed when the motorcycle struck it. Both people onboard the motorcycle were thrown from the vehicle. A 28-year old man died at the scene. A woman was transported by helicopter to Inova Fairfax Hospital with serious injuries. The driver of the minivan was not injured in the crash. > > The investigation into the cause of this accident is ongoing. Charges are pending. > > ***************************************************************** > We are supported by sponsors, and need your help to stay in business -- > please tell a friend to subscribe today at http://www.crimereports.com > ***************************************************************** > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: > Go to http://www.crimereports.com/unsubscribe.html > ***************************************************************** > Copyright 1999 Crime Reports. Thanks for subscribing. > ***************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 15:32:20 1999 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02648 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:32:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id WW50L8QT; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:33:01 -0500 Message-ID: <007801bf2c83$b172ec60$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Moto accident Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:31:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 That happened about 1/2 mile from my house. I live off of Filmore, which is what Walter Reed turns into. Instead of these extensive arguments over wording, we need to know who this guy is? I saw it on the news last night at 10, and it looked like a black Honda Valkeyie. I think Herb drives something like that. Are you out there Herb and ok? Lets pray for that poor guy. Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 15:37:39 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02754 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsdell5av0f (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id PAA14547; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:37:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00ec01bf2c84$16ca86e0$4d5f800a@tsdell5av0f.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "Kirk Roy" Cc: Subject: Re: MD inspection report Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:34:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 damn...18 bucks is a lot. Here in Va, bike inspections are 5 bucks. Kirt -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:00 PM Subject: MD inspection report >Earlier today I took my street legalized KLX (a dirt only bike as sold in >the states) to Good's Exxon in Waldorf for an inspection. A few minutes >and $18 later and I was on my way. I've also used the gas station in >Potomac for inspections but paid more than twice as much and was failed >for something that went through in Waldorf (no chain guard). > >Kirk >2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) >1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) >1984 Honda XR350 > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 15:39:50 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02765 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA15514 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:39:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:39:45 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: MD inspection report In-Reply-To: <00ec01bf2c84$16ca86e0$4d5f800a@tsdell5av0f.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Kirt S. wrote: > damn...18 bucks is a lot. Here in Va, bike inspections are 5 bucks. MD inspects once, VA inspects annually. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 16:04:13 1999 Return-Path: bergman@XXXXXX Received: from mail.uunt.net (prod-280a.tco3.web.wcom.net [208.243.113.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03236 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:04:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from uu.net ([63.67.81.128]) by mail.uunt.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA17693 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:59:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911112059.PAA17693@mail.uunt.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.3 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VA inspection In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:34:01 EST." <00ec01bf2c84$16ca86e0$4d5f800a@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:04:18 -0500 From: Mark In your message dated: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:34:01 EST, your pithy ruminations on were: => damn...18 bucks is a lot. Here in Va, bike inspections are 5 bucks. => => Kirt Hey, that reminds me... I just got my VA title, license, registration, and insurance. Now all I need is an inspection. What's the deal here? Do bike shops do inspections, or do I go to any auto garage? Any place that won't look too closely at my non-DOT approved lighting setup (more info. later)? The rest of the bike (brakes, tire tread, muffler, etc.) is fine. Mark ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 16:19:01 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03484 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsdell5av0f (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id QAA06012 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:18:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <015401bf2c89$e2212d30$4d5f800a@tsdell5av0f.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: MD inspection report Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:15:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Ah yes...my bad. Ok then...uh...screw you marylanders... :-) Kirt -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 3:49 PM Subject: Re: MD inspection report >On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Kirt S. wrote: >> damn...18 bucks is a lot. Here in Va, bike inspections are 5 bucks. > >MD inspects once, VA inspects annually. > >Kirk >2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) >1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) >1984 Honda XR350 > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 16:21:47 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03571 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tsdell5av0f (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id QAA09765; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:21:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <016201bf2c8a$441e03f0$4d5f800a@tsdell5av0f.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , "Mark" Subject: Re: VA inspection Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:18:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 The service station *right* up the street from my apartment is the best place for bike inspections I've found in the past 5 years. The guy there, small middle eastern fellow, is nice, get's the job done in about 5 minutes, and let's the little stuff slide. Amoco, at the corner of Braddock Road and Backlick Road in Annandale, about 2 miles inside the beltway of Braddock Road. Kirt -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 4:15 PM Subject: VA inspection >In your message dated: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:34:01 EST, >your pithy ruminations on were: >=> damn...18 bucks is a lot. Here in Va, bike inspections are 5 bucks. >=> >=> Kirt > >Hey, that reminds me... I just got my VA title, license, registration, and insurance. Now all I need is an inspection. What's the deal here? Do bike shops do inspections, or do I go to any auto garage? Any place that won't look too closely at my non-DOT approved lighting setup (more info. later)? The rest of the bike (brakes, tire tread, muffler, etc.) is fine. > >Mark >----- >Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand >'94 Yamaha GTS1000A >bergman@XXXXXX > >I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: >rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters >5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > >-- > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 16:37:03 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [208.36.117.170]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03814 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:37:01 -0500 (EST) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA04656; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:37:36 -0500 Message-Id: <199911112137.QAA04656@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:36:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: VA inspection CC: bergman@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199911112059.PAA17693@mail.uunt.net> References: Your message of "Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:34:01 EST." <00ec01bf2c84$16ca86e0$4d5f800a@tsdell5av0f.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) If you are a nervous freak, and you really want someone to go over the bike well ( and chances are they will find something wrong) go to a MC shop to have it done. or If you are comfortable with the mechanical state of your bike, I'd go to a gas station where chances are the inspector doesn't know jack about bikes.... ( And usually won't find anything wrong. ) Unless, you live in DC. I took my bike through their inspection, with a one headlight out, ( both of the brights worked ) , they didn't check the horn, or the rear brake light and i passed. I told the guy " ...uh, yea, there is only one regular light, and they both go on for brights...." No problem there... -John 88 400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VA inspection Date sent: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:04:18 -0500 From: Mark > In your message dated: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:34:01 EST, > your pithy ruminations on were: > => damn...18 bucks is a lot. Here in Va, bike inspections are 5 bucks. > => > => Kirt > > Hey, that reminds me... I just got my VA title, license, registration, and insurance. Now all I need is an inspection. What's the deal here? Do bike shops do inspections, or do I go to any auto garage? Any place that won't look too closely at my non-DOT approved lighting setup (more info. later)? The rest of the bike (brakes, tire tread, muffler, etc.) is fine. > > Mark > ----- > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > bergman@XXXXXX > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > -- > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 16:42:01 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03858 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-29.patriot.net [209.249.180.29]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24313; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:41:50 -0500 Message-ID: <382B3667.865B8275@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:34:31 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA inspection References: <199911112059.PAA17693@mail.uunt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In VA we have the "Nice bike" inspection. For my last inspection the inspector asked if the lights work and I sez Yep". Then he sez "Nice bike" and hands me the sticker. This is pretty routine. At the most they'll make peep the crappy horn and power up the lights. Bill Mark wrote: > In your message dated: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:34:01 EST, > your pithy ruminations on were: > => damn...18 bucks is a lot. Here in Va, bike inspections are 5 bucks. > => > => Kirt > > Hey, that reminds me... I just got my VA title, license, registration, and insurance. Now all I need is an inspection. What's the deal here? Do bike shops do inspections, or do I go to any auto garage? Any place that won't look too closely at my non-DOT approved lighting setup (more info. later)? The rest of the bike (brakes, tire tread, muffler, etc.) is fine. > > Mark > ----- > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > bergman@XXXXXX > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 16:57:17 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04171 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:57:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-29.patriot.net [209.249.180.29]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA26143; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:57:08 -0500 Message-ID: <382B39FC.4308EEE7@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:49:49 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kirt S." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Mark Subject: Re: VA inspection References: <016201bf2c8a$441e03f0$4d5f800a@tsdell5av0f.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HEY! That's my station also. He's cool. The owner is our state senator. Bill Kirt S. wrote: > The service station *right* up the street from my apartment is the best > place for bike inspections I've found in the past 5 years. The guy there, > small middle eastern fellow, is nice, get's the job done in about 5 minutes, > and let's the little stuff slide. Amoco, at the corner of Braddock Road and > Backlick Road in Annandale, about 2 miles inside the beltway of Braddock > Road. > > Kirt > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 4:15 PM > Subject: VA inspection > > >In your message dated: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:34:01 EST, > >your pithy ruminations on were: > >=> damn...18 bucks is a lot. Here in Va, bike inspections are 5 bucks. > >=> > >=> Kirt > > > >Hey, that reminds me... I just got my VA title, license, registration, and > insurance. Now all I need is an inspection. What's the deal here? Do bike > shops do inspections, or do I go to any auto garage? Any place that won't > look too closely at my non-DOT approved lighting setup (more info. later)? > The rest of the bike (brakes, tire tread, muffler, etc.) is fine. > > > >Mark > >----- > >Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand > >'94 Yamaha GTS1000A > >bergman@XXXXXX > > > >I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > >rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > >5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > >-- > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 17:00:38 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04268 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-29.patriot.net [209.249.180.29]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA26539; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:00:32 -0500 Message-ID: <382B3AC9.2A96E8BB@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:53:13 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jnewman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA inspection References: Your message of "Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:34:01 EST." <00ec01bf2c84$16ca86e0$4d5f800a@tsdell5av0f.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> <199911112137.QAA04656@bmdo.mcri.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Truthfully, inspection on bikes is sloppy as a rule, so I sent a newbie and her used bike to Denny at Crossroads Cycle. He let her off cheap and got the bike tuned and ready to roll. Would have looked it over meself but it was one of those constant weekend travel months. Bill jnewman@XXXXXX wrote: > If you are a nervous freak, and you really want someone > to go over the bike well ( and chances are they will find > something wrong) go to a MC shop to have it done. > > or > > If you are comfortable with the mechanical state of your > bike, > I'd go to a gas station where chances are the inspector > doesn't > know jack about bikes.... ( And usually won't find > anything wrong. ) > > Unless, > > you live in DC. I took my bike through their inspection, > with a one headlight out, ( both of the brights worked ) , > they didn't check the horn, or the rear brake light and i > passed. I told the guy " ...uh, yea, there is only one > regular light, and they both go on for brights...." > > No problem there... > > -John > 88 400 > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: VA inspection > Date sent: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:04:18 -0500 > From: Mark > > > In your message dated: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:34:01 EST, > > your pithy ruminations on were: > > => damn...18 bucks is a lot. Here in Va, bike inspections are 5 bucks. > > => > > => Kirt > > > > Hey, that reminds me... I just got my VA title, license, > registration, and insurance. Now all I need is an > inspection. What's the deal here? Do bike shops do > inspections, or do I go to any auto garage? Any place > that won't look too closely at my non-DOT approved > lighting setup (more info. later)? The rest of the bike > (brakes, tire tread, muffler, etc.) is fine. > > > > Mark > > ----- > > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand > > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > > bergman@XXXXXX > > > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > > > -- > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 17:14:09 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04445 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:14:08 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip244.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip244.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.244]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA15573 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:13:57 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:16:18 GMT Message-ID: <382b69a8.264524090@mail.earthlink.net> References: <85256826.007093F4.00@172.16.2.37> In-Reply-To: <85256826.007093F4.00@172.16.2.37> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At first I was thinking the wording was okay, as the bike probably did hit the van, rather than the van turning into the bike.. but I guess if they would have used the word "collided" the article would have been better written to show that the guilty party was still undecided. Daniel On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:14:49 -0500, you wrote: |> |> |>True, that is what I meant. Tone and wording is everything in writing,= in my |>opinion. |> |>- Jeannette |> '86 VFR 700 F2 |> http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 |> |> |> |> |> |>JinnSinn@XXXXXX on 11/11/99 03:14:42 PM |> |> |>To: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX, johnwhiteside@XXXXXX |>cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX |>Subject: Re: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 |> |> |> |>Really - all they had to do was write, "the van turned in front of the = bike, |>subsequently the bike struck the van..." or something like that. |> |>Marcy |> |> |>In a message dated 11/11/99 10:16:46 AM, Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX |>writes: |> |><< |>I still think the wording of "bike hit the van" is inflammatory and = tends to |>make the reader think the bike was at fault. >> |> |> |> |> From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 17:17:08 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04532 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:17:06 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip244.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip244.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.244]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA16702; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:15:42 -0800 (PST) To: Todd Peer Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: VIN Research Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:18:03 GMT Message-ID: <382c6ac1.264805040@mail.earthlink.net> References: <000601bf2c5d$c2c11e40$d1b024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> In-Reply-To: <000601bf2c5d$c2c11e40$d1b024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would think the same service would work? On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:59:40 -0500, you wrote: |> |>Anybody know of a service that will perform diligence on motorcycles. = I |>understand this service is available for cars for around $15 per V.I.N. |> |>tia, |> |>Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 17:21:07 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04626 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:20:43 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip244.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip244.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.244]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA19562; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:20:06 -0800 (PST) To: Kirk Roy Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: MD inspection report Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:22:27 GMT Message-ID: <382d6af8.264860445@mail.earthlink.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable $hit! Freestate charges $45 and Heyser charges $35 or so. So $18 is cheap. Plus I know Heyser will try to con you especially if they think you dont knwo about bikes. =20 On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:39:45 -0500 (EST), you wrote: |>On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Kirt S. wrote: |>> damn...18 bucks is a lot. Here in Va, bike inspections are 5 bucks. |> |>MD inspects once, VA inspects annually. |> |>Kirk |>2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) |>1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) |>1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 17:34:22 1999 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04820 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:34:21 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id aAUU0oQPQX (3968); Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:33:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.3a696258.255c9e41@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:33:37 EST Subject: Re: MD inspection report To: ksenser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Yeah, you see in MD, the state assumes that the owner will keep a vehicle in perfect, safe running order after he or she purchases it and therefore only inspects it at that time. Tip of the day: Don't follow an older vehicle with MD tags too closely, unless you like playing "Dodge the flying part". ;) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 19:01:36 1999 Return-Path: l4rite@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06457 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:01:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mainline (209-122-247-71.s71.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.247.71]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id TAA07218 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:01:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <012301bf2ca1$407aa700$47f77ad1@mainline> From: "Leslie" To: References: <85256826.004E65F9.00@172.16.2.37> Subject: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:02:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I love the way they worded it! : ( The motorcycle STRUCK THE VAN!!??? Sounds like the van turned in front of the bike, to me! Jeannette I know this intersection well...I travel it to and from work everyday...I have "had my life flash" here many times...too many cars and not enough lanes...not that anyone wouldn't pull out in front of you from all the stores along the route....I don't even feel safe on Columbia in my cage...but its the only way for me to get anywhere...oh well....Les 96Kat From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 19:17:56 1999 Return-Path: l4rite@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06743 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:17:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mainline (209-122-247-71.s71.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.247.71]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id TAA24535 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:17:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <014c01bf2ca3$87b5e740$47f77ad1@mainline> From: "Leslie" To: References: <85256826.005490CD.00@172.16.2.37> Subject: Re: Fwd: Release: fatal motorcycle accident 11/10 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:19:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I don't agree. I think wording can be "everything" when scanning an article and I think the media simply puts bikers in a negative light too much. My opinion, of course. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 I agree with the improper wording (common in American journalism, public schools)............uh like you know and um... Stating that the bike hit the van gives the impression that the bike was either; 1. speeding or 2. ran the red light. Given the common public view of motorcyclists that is the impression that most readers will take away from the story.... "of course it was the bikers fault, those people are just asking for it" ....how many times have you heard that? Just another thing to tick me off and make me hate people even more.....like every time I hear a story about someone being shot in D.C. by a handgun...well S#(7, I thought handguns were illegal in D.C. how in the world did a criminal get a gun and shoot someone.....its the criminal, not the gun....... Les too many bikes and weapons to list..... From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 20:50:32 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA08246 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:50:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991112015024.15663.rocketmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:50:24 PST Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:50:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: MD Inspection report... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh yeah!!! I just got my Oregon tag and registration in (pepe is legal!! woohoo!!) $21 for everything ($11/2 years registration, $10 for title)... no inspection now, no inspection ever ;-) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 20:59:22 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web305.mail.yahoo.com (web305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA08333 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:59:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991112015917.11385.rocketmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web305.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:59:17 PST Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:59:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: stolen bike & images & snipping To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry to be complainy, but since no one mentioned it so far, just a reminder to folks not to post images directly to the list. They come through in raw ASCII format for us digesters... Also, please feel free to highlight uneeded text and hit the delete key... makes for a loooong digest reading a thread in exponential format!! lol Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 11 23:46:13 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA10941 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:46:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25292 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1999 04:45:21 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 1999 04:45:21 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA22431; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:47:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:47:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199911120447.XAA22431@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: MX Kid on Letterman Anyone on the list right now,Letterman's got a 16yr old MX champ who's going to do some stunts later. Unfortunately,he dumped during practice and banged up the bike,and is now waiting for parts. Should be cool if he gets it fixed in time. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 00:25:23 1999 Return-Path: tansey@XXXXXX Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11489 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA20968; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:21:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:21:04 -0500 (EST) From: Tansey To: Gil Nissley cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MX Kid on Letterman In-Reply-To: <199911120447.XAA22431@web2.chek.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Gil Nissley wrote: > Anyone on the list right now,Letterman's got a 16yr old MX champ > who's going to do some stunts later. Unfortunately,he dumped during > practice and banged up the bike,and is now waiting for parts. Should be > cool if he gets it fixed in time. I'm watching too, though it was more for Natalie Portman initially. :) Shannon From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 03:42:27 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA15319 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:42:22 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip244.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip244.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.244]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA25094; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:42:08 -0800 (PST) To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD Inspection report... Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:44:22 GMT Message-ID: <382bfbdc.301957910@mail.earthlink.net> References: <19991112015024.15663.rocketmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <19991112015024.15663.rocketmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alright dare I ask how you pulled off that feat? Just curious.. I already got tags for my bike, the title was a NC title and I had the buyer state in the Bill of sale that the bike was in NC and that's all I needed to get a 6 month waiver in MD. They gave me hard tags that go dead next year, I think next summer, I don't even remember. So I share your join in getting tags! hehe Daniel On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:50:24 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |>Oh yeah!!! I just got my Oregon tag and registration in (pepe is |>legal!! woohoo!!) $21 for everything ($11/2 years registration, $10 for |>title)... no inspection now, no inspection ever ;-) |>Collin |> |>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D |>Collin T. Fagan |>DC-Cycles Racing |>http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ |>Proudly sponsored by: |>Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) |>Dixie Cycles |>Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 05:49:21 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17717 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:49:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25073 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1999 10:48:35 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 1999 10:48:35 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA19980; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:50:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:50:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199911121050.FAA19980@web2.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:Moto accident On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:31:06 -0500 Mark Kitchell wrote: >Instead of these extensive arguments over wording, we need to know who this >guy is? I saw it on the news last night at 10, and it looked like a black >Honda Valkeyie. I think Herb drives something like that. Are you out there >Herb and ok? It's not Herb. Just heard on CBS9 that the victim's name was Sean Stoner(not 100% on spelling). He was 28. All they said about the passenger was she was a 26yr old woman and is still in serious condition. They worded it that the motorcycle crashed into a car. It was a black Valk and they showed two black full-faces sitting on the curb. >Lets pray for that poor guy. Amen. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 08:04:56 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20100 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id IAA19846; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id IAA16039; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:04:20 -0500 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE027F30EA@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Cc: "'nelson@XXXXXX'" Subject: How to annoy people on the digest Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:04:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" If you really want to annoy people on the digest send lots of stuff like this: this is what the bike looked like R0lGODdhVwGuAOYAAP/////3//739/X5//zv7/Lv+PHv5//n5/Hn5/3f3uPj5PbW1t7W2PfK ytPT2NbOzvW4uNPGwe+trcPAv++lpcO1t++cnM6qprWvr++UlO+MjK2op+aOjfWGc6Kjp62g keeEhPKCa56bnOd7e959fqqQjedzc95zc5SQju1vS7mBd+dra95ra+djY4iIid5jY4mAeN5a WqNxY95SUnl8fd5KStRJSXZxct5CQt45OWhqbtU5OWhnY7hEQW1mVd44FNYxMc4xMdYpKeUo A4xIR11aXM4pKF5XUtYhIWFTRNIlA84hIVFUU9YYGK0oI84YGNYQEMAdA84QEElITNsIAEZE Qs4ICM4IANoAAEI+Oc4AAGcsKEI9LsMAAJUTE7IAAJsHAS0xNEAoJTEtKSYnKSsmH3YFAiEh HxUhHkUNBSIYGxgYIVEAABgYGBsTEBgQGBQSBwkTGhAQEDIAAAgQBgQQEBEIBwsIEB0AAAgI CAgIAAAICAAIAAgAAgAACAAAACwAAAAAVwGuAEAH/4BagoOEhYaHiImKilZajY9WkZKTlI+O l42LmpucnZ6foJqUUlBSTU1ISEJCQEA5ODg1MzMxLy0rKya6uiQyJCe7uC8vMbM1sDs7QKup p6RSkpeh09TV1KPPp6epqavey63h4uLe3qrc6Ejbp09NT6XwUvKV0daf9Fby8aTt/dr///y1 exZvXyl2qLqx2vFKVq1cJkCA4HBBBA8RDxgoULAhDA8Uf/70kdPGTRYJKClYyJCBA4gRJlYM M4Yj2bJm7kpRssezp6dJ2RKycmUj1qwYMW5BNDGi6QiJUCU+dep0VzBcMlsMQ4p01owax5DZ NKfOmc5JobAd3KZqVSuGOP+KgvVKiyuxYXi3cuVK9+tXsIADe0Vqi4WupxoiMEBxA0PGCBMi 8MhS5YiYkGh4hAkZkg8TGjc2RKiwAQOGDR8qSFCZQQOHpjGJfa3ZSkizJ88i+dzNG6gpVEN3 GK3F9AYXFzSSK1+e3IWOkGSmFOFBvYj160eYaJ9SJUuYMWPCHIHx4UJKlStbStUls9hs2sxw Please don't attach files to posts. They come out as page after page after page... of garbage. If you want to show everyone a picture, there are many other ways to do it, such as putting it up on http://www.photopoint.com . Then there's the whole snipping thing. Thanks, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 08:13:51 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from herndon3.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20257 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from vienna5.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.200.68.8]) by herndon3.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28988 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (pm2a-105.his.com [216.200.82.105]) by vienna5.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA03007 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:13:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991112080204.008fcd60@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:02:04 -0500 To: DC-Cycles From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: VIN Research In-Reply-To: <382c6ac1.264805040@mail.earthlink.net> References: <000601bf2c5d$c2c11e40$d1b024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> <000601bf2c5d$c2c11e40$d1b024a6@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:18 AM 11/12/99 GMT, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: >I would think the same service would work? > >On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:59:40 -0500, you wrote: > >|> >|>Anybody know of a service that will perform diligence on motorcycles. I >|>understand this service is available for cars for around $15 per V.I.N. >|> >|>tia, >|> >|>Todd Hey Todd, what info do you need? I can decode VIN's on some big four stuff. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 08:32:01 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20556 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:32:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991112133158.391.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:31:58 PST Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:31:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: MD Inspection report... To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Easy answer...I'm in the military, and an Oregon resident...sooooo...I do all my tags, licenses, etc. mail order. CT --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Alright dare I ask how you pulled off that feat? Just curious.. I > already got tags for my bike... ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 08:35:25 1999 Return-Path: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20635 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:35:24 -0500 (EST) From: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09539 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:35:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id IAA0000017329; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:35:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:35:23 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: news release-11/11/99--update on fatal motorcycle accident Sender: johnwhiteside@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 146.135.27.10 My inbox contains a load of messages about this that I have not yet read... but it also had this update from the Arlington County police, so I'm passing it on. Arlington County Police Public Information Office wrote: > ******************************************************* Do you like the daily crime report? Forward it to a friend! ********************************************************* November 11, 1999 CONTACT: Cpl. Justin McNaull 703-228-4050 UPDATE ON FATAL MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT Police continue to investigate last night's fatal accident at the intersection of Columbia Pike and Walter Reed Dr. The accident occurred around 7:55 p.m on Wednesday, November 10. A 2000 Harley-Davidson motorcycle was traveling west on Columbia Pike when it struck a 1991 Ford Aerostar minivan that was making a left turn from eastbound Columbia Pike to travel north on Walter Reed Dr. The driver of the motorcycle, Shawn Stoner, 28, of the 900-blk of S. Rolfe St. in Arlington, was pronounced dead at the scene. The passenger on the motorcycle, Fannie Delacruz, 26, of the 3700-blk of Paul St. in Alexandria, was flown to Fairfax Hospital with serious injuries. The driver of the minivan, Antonio Regaldo, 31, of the 800-blk of S. Greenbrier St. in Arlington, was not injured. No charges have been filed, as the accident remains under investigation. ***************************************************************** We are supported by sponsors, and need your help to stay in business -- please tell a friend to subscribe today at http://www.crimereports.com ***************************************************************** TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.crimereports.com/unsubscribe.html ***************************************************************** Copyright 1999 Crime Reports. Thanks for subscribing. ***************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 08:56:25 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20862 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:56:23 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256827.004C6AFC ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:54:41 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256827.004BC51B.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:54:37 -0500 Subject: Re: VA inspection Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Glad to see they got a guy that is reasonable at that station. A few years ago I went there for an inspection and the guy told me that he had to ride the bike as part of the inspection. That was the first and only time an inspector has ever told me that. I told him there was no way that he was going to ride my bike and that I would look elsewhere for an inspector that wasn't full of you know what. What a MO-RON! Steve >>The service station *right* up the street from my apartment is the best place for bike inspections I've found in the past 5 years. The guy there, small middle eastern fellow, is nice, get's the job done in about 5 minutes, and let's the little stuff slide. Amoco, at the corner of Braddock Road and Backlick Road in Annandale, about 2 miles inside the beltway of Braddock Road. << From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 09:03:49 1999 Return-Path: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21032 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:03:48 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v23.6.) id rITFa18447 (4181); Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:02:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.99e6daf6.255d77d8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:02:00 EST Subject: Re: MD Inspection report... To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 << Easy answer...I'm in the military, and an Oregon resident...sooooo...I do all my tags, licenses, etc. mail order. CT >> Hey Collin, God Bless the Soldier's and Sailor's Relief Act of 1934!!!! I didn't realize how much it meant to me until I got out. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 09:07:44 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21136 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from wsdellud772 (techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA26555; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:13:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001701bf2d16$60b617a0$575f800a@wsdellud772.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "Tansey" , "Gil Nissley" Cc: Subject: Re: MX Kid on Letterman Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:01:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 mmmm.... Natalie Portman. Now that she's 18, she has officially attained babe status. Kirt 99 F4 -----Original Message----- From: Tansey To: Gil Nissley Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 12:41 AM Subject: Re: MX Kid on Letterman >On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Gil Nissley wrote: > >> Anyone on the list right now,Letterman's got a 16yr old MX champ >> who's going to do some stunts later. Unfortunately,he dumped during >> practice and banged up the bike,and is now waiting for parts. Should be >> cool if he gets it fixed in time. > >I'm watching too, though it was more for Natalie Portman initially. :) > >Shannon > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 09:33:47 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21515 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-194.patriot.net [209.249.180.194]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA28261; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:32:57 -0500 Message-ID: <382C235F.297E6D9F@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:25:35 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA inspection References: <85256827.004BC51B.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember those years. I had fixed my Darling Daughter's wrecked Omni and took it up. He flunked the busted windshield, as I expected. I had the glass repleced and he funked the tires on a reinspection! Like EXCUSE ME! Less than two miles on the beast from inspection one to retest? I called the state police and had them look it over. Then I dropepd the car off at the station and the state policeman took the inspector out to it and gave him a THREE HOUR lesson of how to inspect a car. I was laughing. Bill Steve_Beck@XXXXXX wrote: > Glad to see they got a guy that is reasonable at that station. A few years > ago I went there for an inspection and the guy told me that he had to ride > the bike as part of the inspection. That was the first and only time an > inspector has ever told me that. I told him there was no way that he was > going to ride my bike and that I would look elsewhere for an inspector that > wasn't full of you know what. What a MO-RON! > > Steve From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 10:10:17 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22099 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11mIL3-0007nl-00; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:10:09 -0500 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02533; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 12 Nov 1999 10:08:45 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:19:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal -- Steve Beck Wrote -- A few years ago I went there for an inspection and the guy told me that he had to ride the bike as part of the inspection... What a MO-RON! IMHO most of the VA inspectors aren't very well trained, especially if it has to do with bikes. I found many times I would go to an inspection station and they wouldn't even have the right stickers. It was OK sometimes because they'd give me 9-10 months for free. A few years ago the rules changed and they actually had to drive your cage into the station. It seemed that no one was very well informed of the rules and people who were used to pulling their car in and turning the lights on and off were getting pissed off. I know I was because my beater was rigged with an aux. horn button and neither flasher would hold in place. The idea of the new law was to find those kind of thing$. Jay St. Peter who used to have 5 vehicles to get inspected every year (many of which were on the verge of being safe). Now live in MD where 2 vehicles cost me $100 to get inspected, uggh. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 10:30:48 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22530 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:30:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:30:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199911121030.AA30671490@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: Subject: Re: MD Inspection report... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Collin T. Fagan" Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:31:58 -0800 (PST) >Easy answer...I'm in the military, and an Oregon resident...sooooo...I >do all my tags, licenses, etc. mail order. >CT But what we really want to know is, have you ever set foot in Oregon? Honestly, now? :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 12:38:10 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24692 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:37:36 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip244.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip244.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.244]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA01933; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:37:29 -0800 (PST) To: "Collin T. Fagan" , Subject: Re: MD Inspection report... Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:39:38 GMT Message-ID: <382d7ad7.334469395@mail.earthlink.net> References: <199911121030.AA30671490@tidalwave.net> In-Reply-To: <199911121030.AA30671490@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What I want to know is, does it ever help him beat traffic tickets?=20 Maybe the cops think he won't be around so they let the ticket go? Daniel On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:30:35 -0500, you wrote: |>---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- |>From: "Collin T. Fagan" |>Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:31:58 -0800 (PST) |> |>>Easy answer...I'm in the military, and an Oregon resident...sooooo...I |>>do all my tags, licenses, etc. mail order. |>>CT |> |>But what we really want to know is, have you ever set foot |>in Oregon? Honestly, now? :) |> |>Horkster |> |>-- |>Dale Horstman (The Horkster)=20 |>horkster@XXXXXX=20 |>Dale City, VA, USA, Earth=20 |> |>1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR |>1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI |> |>"I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet=20 |>sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it."=20 |> - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle"=20 From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 12:43:30 1999 Return-Path: t-a-w@XXXXXX Received: from web2903.mail.yahoo.com (web2903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.46]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA24802 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:43:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991112174323.4521.rocketmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.231.153.143] by web2903.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:43:23 PST Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:43:23 -0800 (PST) From: taw Subject: ride Saturday to Gettysburg, PA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone interested in a ride from Silver Spring/Wheaton to Gettysburg on Saturday 11/13/99 (head out Georgia Ave North and just keep going)? I recently bought a new Honda Shadow 750 custom and am desperate to get a few rides in before the real cold weather hits. Let me know Tom t-a-w@XXXXXX ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 13:07:02 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25245 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:07:00 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip81.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip81.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.81]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA23676; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:06:53 -0800 (PST) To: mKitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle painting Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:09:02 GMT Message-ID: <382c7e93.335425575@mail.earthlink.net> References: <0.29a0b048.255af73c@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <0.29a0b048.255af73c@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey mark (or anyone else), if you decide you're going down there, let me know (and what the deal is). Then I'll call and see about them painting my tail plastic and front fender. Maybe we can ride down together. Otherwise I won't worry about it, unless we are having some kind of dc-cycles paint day. If you're taking it somewhere locally that will paint your piece cheap, then maybe I should go there too. Keep us updated on what you will be doing.=20 I just want my tail end and fender to be shiney black painted (so it matches the rest of my bike), I don't care who does it, long as it looks good, is cheaply priced, and wont' crack up. Daniel On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:28:44 EST, you wrote: |> |> |>My Sponsor, SpeedWerks, does excellent painting. They're located in = Camden,=20 |>DE which is just over an hour from the MD Beltway (rt 50 east). (It's = about=20 |>10 miles south of Dover) |> |>Their price to custom paint a *whole race bike* is $250. If you just = wanted=20 |>them to do the one piece I'm quite sure Steve would do it for a = reasonable=20 |>price. |> |>You can check them out on the web at... |>http://www.speed-werks.com |>Or call them at (302) 697 - 7043 |> |>If you do call, ask for Steve Long and please let him know that I sent = ya :) |> |> |> |>- Brian Roach |> |> |>In a message dated 11/10/99 11:08:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 |>mKitchell@XXXXXX writes: |> |>> Has anyone had their motorcycle parts painted locally? If so, with = who and |>> about how much was it. I need a fairing piece painted VFR red. Its= $260 |>> new, so I have some room to work with it. |>> =20 |>> Thanks |>> =20 |>> Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 13:18:26 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [208.36.117.170]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25404 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:18:24 -0500 (EST) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA08855 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:19:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199911121819.NAA08855@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:17:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Brief Ride this weekend? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Anyone up for a group ride this weekend? I think it's going to be a little chilly, but nice this weekend. I don't have any roads or destination in mind, but I would be open to any and all suggestions... If there is interest, perhaps we could come up with something. Wadya say? -John N 88 FZR 400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 13:41:07 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA25856 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:41:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991112184103.26294.rocketmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:41:03 PST Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:41:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: MD Inspection report... To: horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Another easy answer ;-) Yepper, i was stationed on a ship in the lovely Astoria, Oregon for two years right after graduatiing from the academy.. very lovely state, and I hope to get back out to MSO Portland or MSO Seattle eventually... If you've ever seen Short Circuit, or Kindergarden Cop, you've seen Astoria. Or if you remember those lovely coastal shots in the Goonies, that is just ten miles down the road in Seaside... THere is some lovely riding out there, and contrary to popular belief (shhh don't tell anyone or we'll get overrun with even MORE loser Kalifornians) it does NOT rain all the time over most of the state (east side is nearly desert). Unfortunately, Astoria sits along the side of a mountain bowl, so it is the second rainiest city in the country... last year that I was there, only 60 days did not have some sort of precipitation...but the temps were very nice year round (although I like hotter summers... 85 just isn't warm enough!) Something tells me I'd better get used to cold though ;-) Michigan isn't know for it's warm weather!! lol CT (going riding today and tomorrow!! woohoo!!) --- Horkster wrote: > But what we really want to know is, have you ever set foot > in Oregon? Honestly, now? :) > > Horkster ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 13:50:34 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.mail.yahoo.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26166 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:50:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991112185030.15786.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:50:30 PST Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:50:30 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: MD Inspection report... To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOL, you don't travel much do you!!! :) Having out of state tags and license is worse... Cops generally assume you are just passing through, and for most tickets it won't be cost effective to come back to fight them.. easy money for the state! I'm fairly lucky... I behave for the most part in populated areas, and only wick it up in the backwoods, so I haven't ever received much for tickets... of the few I have had over the years, they have never made it to my insurance companies though ;-) If you do travel through oregon, don't get stopped !!! they give you the max bail for the offense (which is HUGE) and the idea is that locals go to court to have it reduced...Saw a girl get a $450 fine coming into the edge of town doing like 53 in 45!! crazy!! then again.. we don't have sales tax, so the revenue has to come from somewhere! Collin (oh yeah, you aren't allowed to pump your own gas there either! but most stations let bikes do their own) --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > What I want to know is, does it ever help him beat traffic tickets? > Maybe the cops think he won't be around so they let the ticket go? > > Daniel ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 14:11:28 1999 Return-Path: l4rite@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26486 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mainline (209-122-212-157.s538.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.212.157]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id OAA28346 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:11:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <02a101bf2d41$ed033dc0$47f77ad1@mainline> From: "Leslie" To: References: <19991112185030.15786.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MD Inspection report... Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:12:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Having out of state tags and license is worse... Cops generally assume you are just passing through, and for most tickets it won't be cost effective to come back to fight them.. easy money for the state! CT I hear that....I got a parking ticket down my the Air and Space one day....my lil meter had expired by about 5 minutes ...the ticket cost me $25....just out of curiosity I checked all of the meters in the area and they had all expired (some for longer periods than mine) but I had the only ticket....so I looked at their plates all VA/MD...and there I am with a Tennssee plate....I guess they figured I was a tourist and would just mail the check in (which is what happened anyway)...oh well.....gotta pay for those wonderful roads down there somehow.....LOLOLOLOLOL.... later Les From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 14:34:21 1999 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26972 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:34:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id WW71TW4F; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:35:11 -0500 Message-ID: <014b01bf2d44$c672c6a0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Leslie" , Subject: Re: MD Inspection report... Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:33:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 I doubt it. DC meter maids love to ticket MD and VA tags. They are more likely to pay since they have heard the horror stories of arguing a ticket in DC. mark -----Original Message----- From: Leslie To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 2:31 PM Subject: Re: MD Inspection report... >Having out of state tags and license is worse... Cops generally assume you >are just passing through, and for most tickets it won't be cost effective to >come back to fight them.. easy money for the state! CT > > I hear that....I got a parking ticket down my the Air and Space one >day....my lil meter had expired by about 5 minutes ...the ticket cost me >$25....just out of curiosity I checked all of the meters in the area and >they had all expired (some for longer periods than mine) but I had the only >ticket....so I looked at their plates all VA/MD...and there I am with a >Tennssee plate....I guess they figured I was a tourist and would just mail >the check in (which is what happened anyway)...oh well.....gotta pay for >those wonderful roads down there somehow.....LOLOLOLOLOL.... later Les > From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 14:49:19 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27294 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:49:13 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA02261; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:48:49 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma003333; Fri, 12 Nov 99 13:43:00 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FL300IOBLI8QU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:46:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256827.0066AAEF ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:41:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:40:20 -0500 Subject: International Motorcycle Show Trip 2000 Is On! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256827.00669BEF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL This is from Anita Lauro. She's setting up another trip to the International Motorcycle Show in New York in February. Respond to her if you want to attend. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For those of you who have been wondering, I will indeed be organizing another bus trip to the NYC Motorcycle Show on Saturday, February 5th, 2000. I think everyone had an awesome time last year, and it's an unbeatable value. This year the cost will be $45.00 per person (payable in advance). This includes round-trip transportation from Washington, DC to New York City, admission to the motorcycle show, donuts/snacks/sodas on the bus, and a gratuity for the driver. We will leave the commuter lot at the intersection of Rte 495 & 95N in MD at 8:00 AM, have 8 hours to spend in NYC, and return around midnight. The bus will be what you would definitely call a "deluxe motorcoach".. a great way to travel. It has a bathroom, and more importantly, a VCR and TV's. Last year people brought motorcycle videos to watch and it was great. Another benefit to this trip is that we'll have our tickets to the show in hand when we arrive in NYC. No need to wait in the horrendously long lines at the Jacobs Javitt Convention Center. No parking worries, either. In any event, I've just starting planning the trip, and am not collecting money yet. If you would like more information feel free to email me at alauro@XXXXXX or anita_gpz@XXXXXX. I'll also be collecting email address of interested parties so I can keep everybody informed. Please feel free to pass this information along to friends, coworkers, etc... everyone is welcome on this trip. Hope to see you in February! Anita Lauro xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 15:51:40 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28449 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FL300L5JGB853@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:54:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA15241; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:54:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.209]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991112165444.PWZL10632@toddnt>; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:54:44 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:51:27 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: VA inspection In-reply-to: <382B3667.865B8275@patriot.net> To: Bill Huson , Mark Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000f01bf2d2e$2961e410$d1b024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal This is funny observation Bill. I've gotten the "Nice bike" inspection before too. But I do love to demonstrate my Hella Horns (Fancy Fiamms) when they say, "horn". "BWAAAAAAA"! The physical body twitch is what I'm going for ;) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > > In VA we have the "Nice bike" inspection. For my last inspection > the inspector asked if the lights work and I sez Yep". Then he > sez "Nice bike" and hands me the sticker. This is pretty routine. > At the most they'll make peep the crappy horn and power up the lights. > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 16:09:31 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA28713 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:09:26 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA12112; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:09:17 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa28680; Fri, 12 Nov 99 14:44:30 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FL3006OLOCPCZ@XXXXXX>; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256827.006C4BB4 ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:42:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:40:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Brief Ride this weekend? To: jnewman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256827.006C2092.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Anita's planning one on the Yahoo dcareariders website. Check it out at http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders. Here's the text of her message, in case you can't go to the website: Okay, the weather sounds pretty decent for a November Saturday (low 60's, partly cloudy). The plan is to meet at the Exxon in Middleburg at 9:30 am, and leave at 10:00 am. I worked out a 150 mile route from Middleburg to Front Royal.. mostly familiar roads, and a couple new ones (hopefully not dirt, haha). Lunch will be at Castiglia's in Front Royal. From there people can either take 55 or 66 back, or I'll have some options for a more interesting route back. Route sheets will be available. Please email me if you have any questions! Anita Chris Weaver '98 VTR To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: jnewman@XXXXXX Date: 11/12/99 06:17:36 PM GMT Subject: Brief Ride this weekend? Anyone up for a group ride this weekend? I think it's going to be a little chilly, but nice this weekend. I don't have any roads or destination in mind, but I would be open to any and all suggestions... If there is interest, perhaps we could come up with something. Wadya say? -John N 88 FZR 400 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 12 23:34:28 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA05986 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14053 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1999 04:33:50 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 1999 04:33:50 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA23581; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:35:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:35:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199911130435.XAA23581@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: MD Inspection report... On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:39:38 GMT daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: >What I want to know is, does it ever help him beat traffic tickets?=20 >Maybe the cops think he won't be around so they let the ticket go? Being military got me out of two tickets in Texas. One would've been for 100mph,failure to signal lane changes,and failure to stop. ;-) The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 13 19:30:13 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA27635 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:30:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991114003008.21032.rocketmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:30:08 PST Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:30:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: getting stopped and military was MD inspection report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii True Gil, I guess I forgot to mention the several times I have been stopped and gotten off by handing them the pretty little green card with my license :) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 13 20:00:03 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA28087 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-137.patriot.net [209.249.180.137]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA08504; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:59:57 -0500 Message-ID: <382E07D3.D65D4894@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:52:35 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: getting stopped and military was MD inspection report References: <19991114003008.21032.rocketmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lucky guys. Back in the good ol', shortly after the invention of the internal combustion engine, New Jersey would issue scofflaws with a heavy ticket base a RED license. If one got stopped and produced a red permit, hnadcuffs and a tow truck would round out the night. You got a huge fine, maybe time in the county lockup, and a free bus schedule. Bill Collin T. Fagan wrote: > True Gil, > I guess I forgot to mention the several times I have been stopped and > gotten off by handing them the pretty little green card with my license > :) > > Collin > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 14 02:23:35 1999 Return-Path: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA04681 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 02:23:33 -0500 (EST) From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Received: from EmergeOut@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 2.0.f5e5396b (3860) for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 02:22:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.f5e5396b.255fbd4f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 02:22:55 EST Subject: Greetings Bikers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Hello, Everyone....I just wanted to wish everyone happy holidays a little early. Also, I am still looking for a good sports bike. My hunt stopped for a wile because I found out I am going to be a daddy ;-) come late May 2000 or early June. Again, I don't have much money and now that I am having a baby money is really tight. So, if there is any body out there with a good deal or a bike they want to get rid of. I just wanted to let you know I am a taker. Again thanks again! You guys and gals are great! Brian Banks From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 14 15:15:58 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17136 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:15:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from k8d1h8 (207-172-126-154.s535.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.126.154]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA01447; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:14:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003901bf2ef5$cdcea380$9a7eaccf@k8d1h8> From: "Kirt" To: , Subject: Test Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:12:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 test From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 14 23:33:05 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25274 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:33:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana (209-122-212-46.s554.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.212.46]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24617 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:32:24 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991114232740.00d3f4b0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:32:19 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Ready For Winter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Well, my First Gear bib pants arrived Friday - and I am think I am ready for a full winter of riding this year. Last year I stored the Nighthawk for about 6 weeks. This year the VFR should see everything but snow. The only thing left on my list is a pair of thin neoprene gloves to go under my gauntlet leather gloves. They stay warm for about 20 minutes of my 30 minute commute. The balaclava _really_ did the trick to keep my neck and face warm in the mornings. Even dampened the RF800 wind noise. Oh - and I got my D207 front and rear in. I'll probably have them mounted next weekend, along with a valve adjustment, oil change and general checkup. Seems like I was just changing the oil with Danny T at 15k....and 19k creeped up on me! _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 15 07:44:57 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04288 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mo3980r1.ems.att.com ([135.38.12.14]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id HAA02589 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:44:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from njb140bh1.ems.att.com by mo3980r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id HAA20464; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:41:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by njb140bh1.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:44:07 -0500 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE027F30ED@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: Tickets (again?!) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:44:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello, listers. Since I bitched and moaned about the stupid *#$%@ of a cop that pulled me over a month or so ago, I should probably tell you about the decent one that pulled me over on Saturday in the District. My friend was having trouble keeping his Enfield from stalling (apparently you can't run electric clothing on a vintage British charging system :p ), and on this particular occasion when he restarted it, he gunned it and took off down Constitution. I hesitated because the light was yellow, and then gunned it myself, trying to catch up. I got less than a block, and was waived to the side. He said I was going 44 in a 30. I explained what happened, called the man "sir" a couple of times, and waited while they checked my papers. Turns out the guy was cool (and a classic bike fan too :) ), and let me go with a written warning. What a relief. So if you know Officer Knapp of the Park Police, tell him thanks for me. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA PS Tonight on the History Channel, "Modern Marvels; Motorcycles," featuring an interview with Charles Falco of The Art of the Motorcycle. Airs: Monday, November 15 at 10 pm ET, Repeats: Saturday, November 20 at 7pm ET From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 15 07:56:15 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04436 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:56:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id HAA04438 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:55:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from njb140bh1.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id HAA23802; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:55:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by njb140bh1.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:55:36 -0500 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE027F30EE@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: Oh yeah... Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:55:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Right before the Warning Incident, someone with a yellow helmet and a red Buell passed us and yelled "beautiful!" to us. I hope he was talking about the bikes ;). Anyone on the list? Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 15 12:50:22 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web307.mail.yahoo.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA09153 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:50:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991115175008.9597.rocketmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.19.179] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:50:08 PST Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:50:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Instructors needed - VA To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Contact info for people interested in becoming a Motorcycle Safety Foundation certified instructor in Virginia is located after this cool essay. There will be an information session for people who want more information held December 6th, again see below for details. If I can help answer any questions, feel free to ask. [and no, I don't get a free toaster for recuiting people ;-) ] Louis Caplan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SO YOU THINK YOU WANT TO BECOME AN INSTRUCTOR SCHOOL OF COOL by Steve Garets Motorcycling has always been "cool." From Brando to Bond, motorcycling has been presented as an instrument of freedom, a vehicle to break free from life's complications, even if just for a short time. Of course, we all know that we pay for that freedom on the altar of increased risk, but for those of us who ride, the sheer exhilaration of a scenic back road or matching wits with traffic is worth the risk. But then again, we all know the risks and have strategies and skills to keep them in perspective. But what about all those new riders? Riders entering the sport today have an advantage over riders of Brando's era, where training in motorcycle operation consisted of identification of controls and a controlled (or not) launch out of a parking lot or driveway. Today's new riders can simply call a toll-free number (800/998-3227), find the location of a motorcycle rider course nearest them and sign up. It's never been easier, or safer, to learn to ride. I'm sure you've seen rider training in progress in or near your community. Student riders are schooled in the skills and strategies necessary to ride safely, then taken to a parking lot where they put these newfound skills to use. Most schools even provide loan motorcycles and helmets for students to use, and employ the services of trained professional motorcycle safety instructors. These individuals have successfully completed more than 60 hours of training to stand before your child, spouse, parent, grandparent or friend, to lead instruction in the safe and responsible operation of motorcycles. Instructors have an important job - to help new riders explore their limits safely, and to give these riders the tools necessary to identify and manage risk. The key to success in this effort is in the instructor. Instructors, like motorcyclists, are as diverse a group as you'll ever know. They are clerks, mechanics, teachers, coaches, doctors, lawyers, engineers, homemakers, loggers, beauticians, pilots, and farmers. They have nothing in common and everything in common, they share the common bond of concern for fellow motorcyclists, and have either learned the lessons of motorcycling the hard way, through "self inflicted training," or completed professional training and understand implicitly the lifesaving value this training affords new riders. Forty-six states have state-funded motorcycle safety programs, funded through fees on motorcycle endorsements and/or vehicle registrations. Collectively, these programs manage rider-training activities in which more than 125,000 riders are trained each year. Those numbers are growing at an unprecedented rate. The strong economy is responsible for many new motorcyclists. State governments are tightening eligibility requirements and the motorcycling industry and enthusiast groups are channeling more riders than ever into training. Herein lies the rub. Many state and independent programs are struggling to meet the increased demand because there aren't enough instructors! It's hard to believe that these rider training programs, which are funded by motorcyclists, managed by motorcyclists, and taught by motorcyclists, would flounder due to a lack of motorcycle rider instructors, but that is precisely what's happening at training centers around the country. You can help. Use that same 800 number to find the site nearest you and call to offer your services and support. If you haven't taken a professional rider training class, do it. You'll be surprised by what you learn. Give serious consideration to becoming an instructor yourself. Instructor training is challenging, but you'll never realize greater rewards than by watching a new rider blossom from a raw, frightened novice. Stay with it for even a short while and you'll witness first-hand the fruits of your labor - a trained, competent rider who rushes up to you with a story about how you saved his or her life. Your guidance and instruction stays with riders after they complete training and those heartfelt success stories will bring you even closer to the sport you love - riding! The added bonus to your effort is that you are paid to teach! You won't get rich, but you'll find the extra cash comes in handy for that gear you've wanted or that trip you've been planning. If you enjoy the challenge of riding and are ready to step up to the next level of your own competency and commitment, give us a call. We need you to initiate the next generation of riders into the school of cool. END. ---------------------------------- Copyright 1998 Stephen B. Garets, Oregon State University. No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted, in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording, or otherwise without the prior written permission of Stephen Garets. Printed in the United States of America. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * If you are ready to step up to the next level please email me [Louie Kyler] at lkyler@XXXXXX or call 703-845-6110 and leave a message. We will be doing an informational seminar at the Alexandria campus of Northern Virginia Community College on December 6, 1999 at 7 PM and would like anyone interested to attend. If you plan to attend please let me know. Our Instructor preparation workshop will be conducted during the month of March 2000. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 15 22:21:01 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe3.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.50]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18569 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:15:06 -0500 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: Subject: test Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:20:42 -0500 Message-ID: <001101bf2fe1$90367ba0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <382c7e93.335425575@mail.earthlink.net> test From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 11:46:28 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA03694 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:46:26 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA06856; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:46:19 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016525; Tue, 16 Nov 99 10:57:53 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FLA009IGSJ56J@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525682B.00578AE4 ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:56:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:56:21 -0500 Subject: Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525682B.00579726.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Hi all. I'm thinking of getting into the YSR50/80 racing scene next year, and am currently browsing around for good deals on these little bikes. If anyone on the list owns one and wants to sell or knows someone/somewhere who does, please let me know. I'm trying to get into this cheaply, so the bike would have to be under $1000 - the further under the better. If you have any suggestions on where to look that I might not have tried so far, that would be good info to know too. Thanks for any assistance. Chris Weaver '98 VTR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 12:00:42 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03947 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAB20721 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:58:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <017901bf3054$3ed696a0$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <8525682B.00579726.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Subject: new to racing...was Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:01:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Aw, come on Chris, If your going to do it, do it right (?) the first time. I am going to start racing my SV, get yourself a "real" sized mc and let's go learn together. Any other takers? Danny '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm thinking of getting into the YSR50/80 racing scene next year, and am > currently browsing around for good deals on these little bikes. If anyone > on the list owns one and wants to sell or knows someone/somewhere who does, > please let me know. I'm trying to get into this cheaply, so the bike would > have to be under $1000 - the further under the better. If you have any > suggestions on where to look that I might not have tried so far, that would > be good info to know too. > > Thanks for any assistance. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 12:13:11 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04169 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:13:10 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip217.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip217.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.217]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA20111 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:12:59 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: soften rear suspension Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:15:32 GMT Message-ID: <3831bab9.46507847@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want to soften the rear suspension on my zx6r.=20 I would imagine I loosen those funny nuts that the spring is under, and move them up so the spring uncompresses. =20 Now what I need to know is, is there a special tool for that or just how do I manipulate that thing? err those nuts that look like cogs. Thanks Daniel slow dc-cycles day eh From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 12:50:19 1999 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05300 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va18-54.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.118]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28249; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:50:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3831C3D0.98F4CFA6@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:51:28 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: soften rear suspension References: <3831bab9.46507847@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel, FYI, playing around with the preload (I assume that's what you're talking about) will neither soften nor stiffen the suspension. It simply regulates how much suspension travel you have. The actual stiffness of the suspension is determined by several factors: - Spring weight; heavier spring means stiffer suspension; ideally, spring weight is matched to rider weight and how "hard" you ride - Compression; determines how fast the spring compresses when it hits something - Rebound; determines how fast the spring returns to its normal/uncompressed state - In the case of front forks, the weight of the fork oil used In addition to affecting suspension travel, fooling around with your rear preload is going to determine the amount of sag when you sit on the bike which affects rear ride height (and steering geometry). Happy trails, Chuck daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > I want to soften the rear suspension on my zx6r. > > I would imagine I loosen those funny nuts that the spring is under, > and move them up so the spring uncompresses. > > Now what I need to know is, is there a special tool for that or just > how do I manipulate that thing? err those nuts that look like cogs. > > Thanks > > Daniel > slow dc-cycles day eh From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 13:05:33 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA05622 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 16 Nov 1999 20:59:38 UT Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:04 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:soften rear suspension Message-ID: <19991116130520567-1a070968@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would think that it uses some type up spanner nut to adjust pre-load. I haven't seen a ZX6r up close so I wouldn't really know but I would assume that the adjust does not require unbolting anything in relation to the shock and spring. Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 14:03:53 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06715 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:03:51 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA03698; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:04:01 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmab06732; Tue, 16 Nov 99 13:09:25 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FLA00K0QYM9YD@XXXXXX>; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525682B.00639562 ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:07:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:07:39 -0500 Subject: Re: new to racing...was Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. To: Danny Thompson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525682B.0063990D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Danny, I'd just love to join you in racing full-size motorcycles. Oh, you don't mind sponsoring me in full do you? I can see it now... TRC... Thompson Racing Corp! ;^) Seriously though, I don't have the cash to spend that most of the racers I've met do. The YSR seems to be the most cost-effective and least committing way to race that I've found. I've even thought about getting a pocketbike like a Pollini or GRC, but they're just as expensive to buy as a used YSR and there's no organized racing of those in this area like there is for YSRs. If, however, people on the list were interested enough, we could get a 20% discount on pocketbikes by buying three or more at the same time. Anyone interested? I didn't think so... :^( Chris '98 VTR From: Danny Thompson Aw, come on Chris, If your going to do it, do it right (?) the first time. I am going to start racing my SV, get yourself a "real" sized mc and let's go learn together. Any other takers? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 14:04:55 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06735 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11nnu7-0002nG-00; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:04:35 -0500 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16528; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 16 Nov 1999 14:03:14 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:13:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I don't know much about YSR racing, but I have an F2 race bike for sale. I'll make a good deal if you take it soon, I'm planning on winterizing it this weekend. It is a great starter bike to get into racing. Will sell for less than $2K. I planned on starting racing YSRs as well, but I realized that I needed more speed (like 150 down the straight at Summit). The F2 is ready to go with all the racing goodies. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 14:20:51 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07076 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:20:50 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip217.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip217.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.217]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16538 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:20:20 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: soften rear suspension Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:22:53 GMT Message-ID: <3832ce80.51571699@mail.earthlink.net> References: <3831bab9.46507847@mail.earthlink.net> <3831C3D0.98F4CFA6@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <3831C3D0.98F4CFA6@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok I just did some checking and the preload is set too soft. I thought it was too stiff because the ride was too harsh, but that was because it was bottoming out and I wasn't realizing the suspension had already travelled. I hoped the nitrous in the can isn't gone. (since it's possible the bike went down, it's also possible the can or line had been replaced but not refilled) but I'd bet everything is okay. Daniel On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:51:28 -0800, you wrote: |>Daniel, |> |>FYI, playing around with the preload (I assume that's what you're |>talking about) will neither soften nor stiffen the suspension. It |>simply regulates how much suspension travel you have. The actual |>stiffness of the suspension is determined by several factors: |> |>- Spring weight; heavier spring means stiffer suspension; ideally, |>spring weight is matched to rider weight and how "hard" you ride |>- Compression; determines how fast the spring compresses when it hits |>something |>- Rebound; determines how fast the spring returns to its |>normal/uncompressed state |>- In the case of front forks, the weight of the fork oil used |> |>In addition to affecting suspension travel, fooling around with your |>rear preload is going to determine the amount of sag when you sit on = the |>bike which affects rear ride height (and steering geometry). |> |>Happy trails, |>Chuck |> |>daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: |>>=20 |>> I want to soften the rear suspension on my zx6r. |>>=20 |>> I would imagine I loosen those funny nuts that the spring is under, |>> and move them up so the spring uncompresses. |>>=20 |>> Now what I need to know is, is there a special tool for that or just |>> how do I manipulate that thing? err those nuts that look like cogs. |>>=20 |>> Thanks |>>=20 |>> Daniel |>> slow dc-cycles day eh From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 14:24:58 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07097 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:24:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11noDg-0003cT-00; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:24:48 -0500 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23238; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 16 Nov 1999 14:23:27 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:soften rear suspension Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:33:50 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Daniel, Yes, there is a special tool to adjust the preload. You can use a screwdriver/hammer, but the tool is much better. Many bikes use the same tool, so it is generally available at motorcycle places. I have heard that the best one ever made came in the mid '90s YZF750 toolkits. The one I've seen most is sort of a 'J' shaped thing that fits on a 3/8" socket wrench. You need to have some friends help you to adjust the sag (which is what you need to adjust preload for). Make sure you do the front also. If you just want a softer ride, you should be able to get that with the compression/rebound knobs. Just realize that setting the bike up for comfort will usually be detrimental to twisty road handling. Search the internet for information on setting up suspension. I've seen both good and bad info over this list. Just do some research, write down what you've done and you'll figure out what you like. Remember also that the ZX6r was built in hopes of winning supersport races. The geometry is setup for handling, not necessarily a nice smooth ride. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 16:31:16 1999 Return-Path: brad@XXXXXX Received: from ns2.pgcc.net ([204.91.230.225]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09588 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:31:14 -0500 (EST) From: brad@XXXXXX Received: from localhost (brad@localhost) by ns2.pgcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA02615; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:46:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:46:27 -0500 (EST) To: Danny Thompson cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Subject: Re: new to racing...was Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. In-Reply-To: <017901bf3054$3ed696a0$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII AAAeeeeiii!! :-) Another SV to compete against next year... :-( Actually Chris, FZR400s are going rather cheaply right now -- 2k-2.5k range for bikes that will easily out motor mine... I'm assuming that YSR racing requires most of the same safety equipment -- leathers, helmet, etc? So cost in that category is the same. One could spend a "little more" on a bike (about $1000) and get into "real" racing. You've got all winter to save some dough. :) If anyone is interested, I have a whole _pile_ of emails from people selling race-prepped FZR 400s in the range of 2k-3k. --Brad (aka "Newbie Kneedragger") 99 CBR600 F4 88 FZR400 On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Danny Thompson wrote: > Aw, come on Chris, If your going to do it, do it right (?) the first time. I > am going to start racing my SV, get yourself a "real" sized mc and let's go > learn together. Any other takers? From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 16:44:25 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09843 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:44:24 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip181.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip181.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.181]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA10395 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:44:20 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MSF Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:46:55 GMT Message-ID: <3831f981.62582391@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know there are a few MSF instructors here, so I have some questions about the MSF course maybe someone could answer... Maryland is raising thier MSF costs to $100 instate (maybe $110) and $150 out of state. What is virginia's cost? Also if a group got together and organized the roster list and got the money collected ahead of time, would the MSF course create a class just for them? You know how those courses book up fast. Maybe this group could have a class created the week before the normal classes start. Is this plausible or what? Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 16:46:22 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09920 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:46:21 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA14214; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:46:26 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaug6148; Tue, 16 Nov 99 15:57:29 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FLB0062H56AL5@XXXXXX>; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525682B.007088F0 ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:29:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:29:30 -0500 Subject: Re:Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. To: "Jay St. Peter" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525682B.007095B3.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL And you've gotta love that tiger-stripe paint job too! ;^) I hope you have good luck selling the F2. I don't think I'd be interested, since it's more bike (power and money-wise) than I'd feel comfortable racing with. Best of luck, though. Chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Christopher A. Weaver/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US@Americas-US From: "Jay St. Peter" Date: 11/16/99 10:13:37 PM GMT Subject: Re:Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. I don't know much about YSR racing, but I have an F2 race bike for sale. I'll make a good deal if you take it soon, I'm planning on winterizing it this weekend. It is a great starter bike to get into racing. Will sell for less than $2K. I planned on starting racing YSRs as well, but I realized that I needed more speed (like 150 down the straight at Summit). The F2 is ready to go with all the racing goodies. Jay St. Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 17:03:41 1999 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10231 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.83] ([192.168.1.83]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA02157; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:59:51 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:03:13 -0500 To: brad@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Re: new to racing...was Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >AAAeeeeiii!! :-) Another SV to compete against next year... :-( > >Actually Chris, FZR400s are going rather cheaply right now -- 2k-2.5k >range for bikes that will easily out motor mine... > >I'm assuming that YSR racing requires most of the same safety >equipment -- leathers, helmet, etc? So cost in that category is the >same. One could spend a "little more" on a bike (about $1000) and get >into "real" racing. > >You've got all winter to save some dough. :) > >If anyone is interested, I have a whole _pile_ of emails from people >selling race-prepped FZR 400s in the range of 2k-3k. > >--Brad (aka "Newbie Kneedragger") >99 CBR600 F4 >88 FZR400 > Yeah, but what sort of upkeep issues does one face with an FZR? I am assuming that tires are a weekly to monthly cost, and that any sort of motor problem (let alone a crash) is in a new ballpark of cost. I would also assume that entrance fees for an FZR level race are much higher than those for a YSR race, since they require real tracks instead of cones in parking lots and so forth. Please give me ammunition to keep myself from buying a race bike... Ned Suesse From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 17:20:11 1999 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10612 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:20:09 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 2.0.f3f32288 (3974) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:19:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.f3f32288.25633273@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:19:31 EST Subject: Re: new to racing...was Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 In a message dated 11/16/99 4:50:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, brad@XXXXXX writes: > I'm assuming that YSR racing requires most of the same safety > equipment -- leathers, helmet, etc? So cost in that category is the > same. One could spend a "little more" on a bike (about $1000) and get > into "real" racing. Ahhh... but the weekly costs are much lower. The entry fees are less than half, you rarely have to replace tires, you use much less fuel, etc. Doesn't sound like a whole lot but over a season it adds up. On the downside... there's only a couple races a season locally (in MD). One problem though, Chris. The YSR's are getting more expensive, not less. Because they are of finite quantity (production stopped in '92 I think) there are less and less of them to go around. I was actually looking for one of these to use as a "pit bike" for next year, and found that a "stock" one in good running order is going for about $1200 - $1500, and one set up for racing is about $1500-$2000. Even with the reduced costs of race weekends, I don't know if it'd be worth doing at this point (Unless you find a really good deal on one somewhere... a grandma that only rode it on the weekends maybe? ;) ). Plus... buy a racebike and you get to hang out with the rest of us nut cases on the weekends :) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 17:22:09 1999 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10632 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:22:08 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 2.0.b2a7c23f (3974) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:21:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.b2a7c23f.256332ea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:21:30 EST Subject: Re: Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 In a message dated 11/16/99 4:54:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX writes: > I hope you have good luck selling the F2. I don't think I'd be interested, > since it's more bike (power and money-wise) than I'd feel comfortable > racing with. Best of luck, though. No offense to Jay (or any other F2 owner out there) but my fzr400 superbike has a higher power to weight ratio I think (70hp at ~350lbs)... The F2 wouldn't be a bad first racebike at all. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 17:29:51 1999 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10755 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:29:49 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 2.0.f1ec5d0c (3974) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:29:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.f1ec5d0c.256334b7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:29:11 EST Subject: Re: new to racing...was Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 In a message dated 11/16/99 5:09:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, nsuesse@XXXXXX writes: > Yeah, but what sort of upkeep issues does one face with an FZR? I am > assuming that tires are a weekly to monthly cost, and that any sort > of motor problem (let alone a crash) is in a new ballpark of cost. Your first year, you *might* go through 1 set of tires. FZRs generally don't spin the rear and don't eat tires. Your second year (or end of the first year) you might start using a little rubber if you get faster. The slicks on my fzr had already been used for half a season when I got it, I put another 4 weekends on them. The new set on the bike have been run about 4 weekends and the wear bars show plenty o tire left. As for crashing, I can testify that the things crash well... they're pretty tank-like. Locking up the front into turn one at Summit produced a pretty spectacular crash that resulted in some torn up bodywork (repairable, but I got new because it had been repaired a couple times already), a ground down master cylinder ($75 for a superior GSXR one), and some scrapes and scratches. > I would also assume that entrance fees for an FZR level race are much > higher than those for a YSR race, since they require real tracks > instead of cones in parking lots and so forth. This is where you'd save some money, most definatly... prob about 1/3 -1/2 the cost. BUT - it is a two stroke that you're going to be wringing the hell out of. Be prepared to spend money on rings and pistons. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 17:41:07 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10982 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11nrHa-00038i-00; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:41:02 -0500 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05458; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 16 Nov 1999 17:39:32 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: new to racing...was Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:50:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Ned, I hate to tell you this, but I ran almost an entire season on 1 set of tires on my F2. An FZR400 would probably be even better. Of course they were endurance compound (not quite as sticky as the sprint tires). But, I will tell you that racing is seriously expensive. I think I got off cheaper than most. I did lots of running Saturday only (20 lap GT races are a better bargain than 8-lap sprints), used endurance tires, and found bargains on equipment. I think overall I spent about $5K to run one season. Of course, I wouldn't have to buy another bike next year. Each race weekend seems to average around $400. That is parts, race fees, etc (no serious travel since I've only raced Summit). In any estimates you can't forget tires/brakes/clutches etc. Things wear out exponentially faster at the track than on the street. I think that number could be blown through the roof with a good crash though. I consider that expensive enough, don't know what it would cost to be competitive. My advice to anyone considering racing is to try a track day. They are put on a couple of times a year at the track. I have found racing worth the money. It is very addicting, so proceed at your own risk. I constantly find myself scheming ways to get more money allocated to the racing budget. It is a losing battle with the kid though. Jay St. Peter Racing budget for next year = $0 (guess I'll have to get a second job) From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 17:50:33 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA11272 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:50:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 17 Nov 1999 01:44:37 UT Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:48 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "brad@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: new to racing...was Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc Message-ID: <1999111617502238-1b0bfc07@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not to mention that when you get tired of the power from the 400 you can slide something bigger in there... ;-) Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: new to racing...was Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. Author: brad@XXXXXX Date: 11/16/1999 4:46 PM Actually Chris, FZR400s are going rather cheaply right now -- 2k-2.5k range for bikes that will easily out motor mine... I'm assuming that YSR racing requires most of the same safety equipment -- leathers, helmet, etc? So cost in that category is the same. One could spend a "little more" on a bike (about $1000) and get into "real" racing. You've got all winter to save some dough. :) If anyone is interested, I have a whole _pile_ of emails from people selling race-prepped FZR 400s in the range of 2k-3k. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 18:04:49 1999 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11468 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:04:48 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 2.0.78a84658 (3974) for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:04:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.78a84658.25633ce9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:04:09 EST Subject: Re: new to racing...was Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 In a message dated 11/16/99 5:47:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, jay.stpeter@XXXXXX writes: > But, I will tell you that racing is seriously expensive. I'll second that. At *any* level, you're going to have to spend some money. My average weekend is... $180 entry fees (Sat 20 lap + 3 Sun Sprints) $20 race fuel $40 food (pack your own, this can be cut significantly) $20 gate fee $60 - $100 gas for the truck if not at Summit point Tires are $290 for a set of Bridgestone slicks, expect to buy at least once. You will need to change your oil at *least* every other week (some do every) Oil + Filter + gaskets $30 If you crash... well, anywhere from "Anyone got a spare brake handle?" ($0) to Shit... how do I strap that down to get it home? ($500 - $1000) And when you get addicted (not if) you'll do something like... '94 fzr400rr import from Japan ($4000) ;) or '99 SV650 ($5200) + race prep ($3000) Ugh.... you had to make me think about it... :) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 18:09:26 1999 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11548 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:09:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id XBD06L0K; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:09:24 -0500 Message-ID: <00f201bf3087$7c49e900$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: CBX Blackbird riders? Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:08:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 If there are any Honda Blackbird riders out there, please email me off list. Thanks, Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 18:26:09 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11811 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-60.patriot.net [209.249.180.60]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA25701; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:26:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3831E646.1B09D5C6@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:18:30 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF References: <3831f981.62582391@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm... ??? Since we, the instructors, don't handle the money and registration (save for $3 fuel fee), I can only guess. Last season I believe the fee was $85. I'm not aware of an "out-of-state" add-on. We had few from MD but apprently MD doesn't *recognize* a VA MSF card. Rather silly of MD as the course is designed to be samo-samo everywhere. I would guess that a group with cash in hand could schedule a course. That would have to be discussed with the registratrs at the various locations. Starting before regular classes begin is probably out, unless y`all bring your snow shovels. My suggestion, get a group, get the bucks, and negotiate with the registrar at your chosen location. Do it soon. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I know there are a few MSF instructors here, so I have some questions > about the MSF course maybe someone could answer... > > Maryland is raising thier MSF costs to $100 instate (maybe $110) and > $150 out of state. > > What is virginia's cost? > > Also if a group got together and organized the roster list and got the > money collected ahead of time, would the MSF course create a class > just for them? You know how those courses book up fast. Maybe this > group could have a class created the week before the normal classes > start. Is this plausible or what? > > Daniel From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 16 21:27:32 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA14636 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:27:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991117022723.24160.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:27:23 PST Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:27:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: cost of racing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I won't BS you.. it costs a lot... but it's only money.. and the fun factor you get from it is priceless..... sounds like one of those Mastercard commercials, eh?? lol I consider myself to have been competitive this season... my fees were about the same as Brian R's, except I went through a set of tires EVERY WEEKEND!!! and that was at $350 a pop! So looking at it in hindsite, I went through about $700 give or take some every race weekend.. more on the long trips to Summit from Michigan... and WAAAAAY more during the national weekend...Crashing?? well, we won't go there.. suffice it to say, doing it 5 times in one season hurts the fundage! I was lucky though... I won most of my solo20 races and recouped about $165-$185 from those...covered the entry fees anyhow.... you can save money here and there though.. carpool, bring your own food, race a lightweight bike (overheard by a lightweight racer who was listening to me and another heavyweight rider chatting: "wheelspin??!?!?! What's that??" ;-)), don't crash, and don't go for pretty.... I think it was a close tossup who had the ugliest bike in the Northeast region.. me or Jay... lol and above all, buy stock in duct tape and zip ties!!! amazing what bodywork you can make with cardboard, zipties and yellow duct tape! (looked better than the real plastic!!) YSR's are cool, but money you save initially, will all end up going to Team Callamari for performance parts anyhow ;-) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 06:57:42 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web304.mail.yahoo.com (web304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA25017 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:57:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991117115738.17768.rocketmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.19.179] by web304.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 03:57:38 PST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 03:57:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: MSF To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A few additional comments based on my discussions with the guy who is currently in charge of the MSF program at the Alexandria campus. Info not 100% guaranteed. --- Bill Huson resonded to daniel_ex250@XXXXXX: > Hmm... ??? Since we, the instructors, don't handle the money and > registration (save for $3 fuel fee), I can only guess. $3 fuel fee will most likely go away next year. > Last season I believe the fee was $85. I'm not aware of an "out-of-state" > add-on. We had few from MD but apprently MD doesn't *recognize* a VA MSF > card. Rather silly of MD as the course is designed to be samo-samo > everywhere. The way the program is currently set up (law or rule, not sure), they can not charge more than $85. In fact once you go south (I think Germana is far south enough, or it might be Richmond) the program price drops down to about $60. Because of the very long waiting list this year at Alexandria and Loudoun, next year they are considering giving priority to VA residents. (it's a VA state program, subsidized by VA MC licence fees) I don't know how that will be handled. > I would guess that a group with cash in hand could schedule a course. That > would have to be discussed with the registratrs at the various locations. > Starting before regular classes begin is probably out, unless y`all bring > your snow shovels. If you need name/phone numbers, let me know. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 07:51:30 1999 Return-Path: brad@XXXXXX Received: from ns2.pgcc.net ([204.91.230.225]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA25829 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:51:29 -0500 (EST) From: brad@XXXXXX Received: from localhost (brad@localhost) by ns2.pgcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA03181; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:06:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:06:55 -0500 (EST) To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: new to racing...was Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. In-Reply-To: <0.f1ec5d0c.256334b7@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > Your first year, you *might* go through 1 set of tires. FZRs generally don't > spin the rear and don't eat tires. Unless you happen to be running near-street compound on the track. Mine are toast after 2 weekends. :-) Slicks for next year... Brad From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 08:50:51 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27362 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:50:30 -0500 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: Subject: RE: MSF Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:50:34 -0500 Message-ID: <001501bf3102$b889d6c0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3831f981.62582391@mail.earthlink.net> You might want to check out the Honda Rider's Club (even if you don't own a Honda). For $39 dues, they'll pay up to $75 toward the cost of an MSF course. Save yourself $35. See: http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/hrca/index.html > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 7:47 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: MSF > > > I know there are a few MSF instructors here, so I have some questions > about the MSF course maybe someone could answer... > > Maryland is raising thier MSF costs to $100 instate (maybe $110) and > $150 out of state. > > What is virginia's cost? > > Also if a group got together and organized the roster list and got the > money collected ahead of time, would the MSF course create a class > just for them? You know how those courses book up fast. Maybe this > group could have a class created the week before the normal classes > start. Is this plausible or what? > > Daniel > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 09:51:23 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA28322 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:51:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991117145119.23574.rocketmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.19.179] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:51:19 PST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:51:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Search for Real Estate Agent (Some MC content) To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Recently I decided to try looking for a place of my own again. The last time I looked, I hooked up with a real estate agent who I now realize was not good for my particular needs. For example, I made it very clear that I ride a motorcycle and wanted a place that would have enough parking for my car and bike (plus guests). She got very excited and couldn't wait to show me this one place in particular. Turns out they have a rule against motorcycles! Her comment? "Well, you can park it out on the street, or try to get a waiver." Yeah, like I want to park my bike 2 blocks away on a main street, where I can't see it, or get a waiver that could be revoked at any time. Then I specified that I wanted a place with at least a one car garage (for the bike of course). She got excited again and couldn't wait to show me this place in Herndon that she discovered... which was further out west than I told her I wanted to go, was more expensive that I could afford, and didn't have a garage! Things definitely weren't working out well. So now that I'm looking again, I wanted to see if anyone here has experience with a good real estate agent, someone who understands I'm not going to give up my motorcycle to move into a "really cool" place, and who will listen to what I say I'm looking for. I'm specifically looking in the Northern Virginia area (Alex, Springfield, Fairfax, Annandale, Vienna, etc.) If you know of a real estate agent that would be good, please e-mail me (off list) with his/her contact information and any experiences you had with them. Thanks, Louis ===== Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA 1999: Capitol 1000; New England 1000; FitE V http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 09:53:56 1999 Return-Path: vfr800@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f123.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA28354 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11567 invoked by uid 0); 17 Nov 1999 14:53:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19991117145323.11566.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.128.133.67 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:53:23 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.128.133.67] From: "vfr 800" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Should I sell VFR800 parts? Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:53:23 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I am in the process of moving to CA, and debating the sell off of some of my VFR800 parts vs. schlepping them out there. Notably, a brand new rear cowl that was replaced due to a tip over. I put the old one back on because it had such miniscule damage and because I installed a BMW socket and didn't want to ruin the new cowl if I flubbed up the install. I would surmise that a rear cowl would be worth at least several hundred dollars, but I need to check. Even for $150, it would make me think about it. Just looking for some opinions. Thanks. John 98VFR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 10:01:24 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28536 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:01:22 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA11227; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:01:29 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma018533; Wed, 17 Nov 99 09:42:36 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FLC00MS6JPPEQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525682C.0050A6F0 ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:40:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:41:04 -0500 Subject: Re: new to racing...was Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525682C.0050B5EF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Jay (and everyone), People who know me even vaguely will have heard me harping about the track day I did this year. This is the main reason I would want to try racing at all. Street riding is starting to be way too limiting to me now. I can't ride the way I want to ride anywhere but the rare deserted twisty road, and even then I have to worry about road surface, cops, grannymobiles, etc. It's really aggravating. I almost wish I hadn't done the track day - the level at which I'm riding doesn't give me the same buzz it used to. After looking into the money side of things for the last few days, I have to agree with others that even YSR racing won't be a cheap proposition. I'm reevalutating the idea, but I have to balance not racing against the fact that I can't satisfy myself riding on the street without subjecting myself and others to unacceptable levels of risk. Track days are great, but they're like trying to solve a hangover with another beer - they're just more fuel for the fire. Just one more example of my very low threshold of boredom and frustration. Chris Weaver '98 VTR From: "Jay St. Peter" My advice to anyone considering racing is to try a track day. They are put on a couple of times a year at the track. I have found racing worth the money. It is very addicting, so proceed at your own risk. I constantly find myself scheming ways to get more money allocated to the racing budget. It is a losing battle with the kid though. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 10:02:30 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28546 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FLC00OCLK6GOX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:56:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA00697; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:56:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.209]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19991117145639.EETY16941@[166.36.176.209]>; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:56:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:53:36 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: cost of racing In-reply-to: <19991117022723.24160.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000401bf310b$86f3d030$d1b024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal A very informative, straightforward view of racing Collin. I'd add that others will probably pay a little more if they enter as many competitions as Collin does. You see, to get even close to break-even, you gotta win a lot! Congratz again on your season. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [mailto:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 9:27 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: cost of racing > > > I won't BS you.. it costs a lot... but it's only money.. and the fun > factor you get from it is priceless..... sounds like one of those > Mastercard commercials, eh?? lol > > I consider myself to have been competitive this season... my fees were > about the same as Brian R's, except I went through a set of tires EVERY > WEEKEND!!! and that was at $350 a pop! So looking at it in hindsite, I > went through about $700 give or take some every race weekend.. more on > the long trips to Summit from Michigan... and WAAAAAY more during the > national weekend...Crashing?? well, we won't go there.. suffice it to > say, doing it 5 times in one season hurts the fundage! > > I was lucky though... I won most of my solo20 races and recouped about > $165-$185 from those...covered the entry fees anyhow.... > > you can save money here and there though.. carpool, bring your own > food, race a lightweight bike (overheard by a lightweight racer who was > listening to me and another heavyweight rider chatting: > "wheelspin??!?!?! What's that??" ;-)), don't crash, and don't go for > pretty.... I think it was a close tossup who had the ugliest bike in > the Northeast region.. me or Jay... lol > > and above all, buy stock in duct tape and zip ties!!! amazing what > bodywork you can make with cardboard, zipties and yellow duct tape! > (looked better than the real plastic!!) > > YSR's are cool, but money you save initially, will all end up going to > Team Callamari for performance parts anyhow ;-) > > Collin > > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 10:47:02 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29292 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:47:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11o7IQ-00009t-00; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:46:58 -0500 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28894; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:47:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 17 Nov 1999 10:45:28 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: new to racing...was Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:56:02 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Chris, You wrote: track days are great, but they're like trying to solve a hangover with another beer - they're just more fuel for the fire. Very good analogy. I (and my wallet) feel your pain. When you start racing it becomes even worse (maybe like crack). I have basically stopped even going on street rides for the most part. I guess I should've stressed the addictive part more. I am actually in a minor depression thinking that I may not be able to afford to race next year. Now that you have been hooked .... Jay From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 11:03:19 1999 Return-Path: brad@XXXXXX Received: from ns2.pgcc.net ([204.91.230.225]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29577 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:03:16 -0500 (EST) From: brad@XXXXXX Received: from localhost (brad@localhost) by ns2.pgcc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA03337; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:18:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:18:40 -0500 (EST) To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: new to racing...was Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. In-Reply-To: <8525682C.0050B5EF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > It's really aggravating. I almost wish I hadn't done the track day - Heheh. Let me dig up that email where I warned ya about becoming addicted. :-) I took the Pridmore school at Pocono, and bought a race bike a couple weeks later. Any I'm still slooooow! I can only imagine it gets better when I get faster.. Brad Team Slow Motion (regards to B. McCoy) From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 12:16:33 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01112 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:16:32 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip15.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip15.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.15]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA28008; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:16:25 -0800 (PST) To: Cc: Subject: Re: MSF Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:19:11 GMT Message-ID: <38330d2c.133164804@mail.earthlink.net> References: <001501bf3102$b889d6c0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> In-Reply-To: <001501bf3102$b889d6c0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh wow. That's pretty cool. My msf course was only $55 at the time, but I'll pass this info on to friends and save the link. thanks! Daniel On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:50:34 -0500, you wrote: |>You might want to check out the Honda Rider's Club (even if you don't = own a |>Honda). For $39 dues, they'll pay up to $75 toward the cost of an MSF |>course. Save yourself $35. |> |>See: http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/hrca/index.html |> |>> -----Original Message----- |>> From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] |>> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 7:47 PM |>> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX |>> Subject: MSF |>> |>> |>> I know there are a few MSF instructors here, so I have some questions |>> about the MSF course maybe someone could answer... |>> |>> Maryland is raising thier MSF costs to $100 instate (maybe $110) and |>> $150 out of state. |>> |>> What is virginia's cost? |>> |>> Also if a group got together and organized the roster list and got = the |>> money collected ahead of time, would the MSF course create a class |>> just for them? You know how those courses book up fast. Maybe this |>> group could have a class created the week before the normal classes |>> start. Is this plausible or what? |>> |>> Daniel |>> From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 12:46:40 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01626 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:46:38 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip15.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip15.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.15]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA20132; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:45:58 -0800 (PST) To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Search for Real Estate Agent (Some MC content) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:48:44 GMT Message-ID: <38341207.134407349@mail.earthlink.net> References: <19991117145119.23574.rocketmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <19991117145119.23574.rocketmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recommend shopping online to find houses ( with a garage, in your price range, and the areas you like). You can always find an agent to represent you on that particular house after you decide you like it enough to buy it. A while back I was browsing houses and was pretty empressed. I don't remember the links though sorry.=20 www.forsalebyowner.com www.classifieds2000.com and i'm sure you can find some more through yahoo. Good luck and let us know how it goes. Daniel=09 On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:51:19 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |> |>Recently I decided to try looking for a place of my own again. The = last |>time I looked, I hooked up with a real estate agent who I now realize = was |>not good for my particular needs. For example, I made it very clear = that I |>ride a motorcycle and wanted a place that would have enough parking for= my |>car and bike (plus guests). She got very excited and couldn't wait to = show |>me this one place in particular. Turns out they have a rule against |>motorcycles! Her comment? "Well, you can park it out on the street, = or try |>to get a waiver." Yeah, like I want to park my bike 2 blocks away on a= main |>street, where I can't see it, or get a waiver that could be revoked at = any |>time. Then I specified that I wanted a place with at least a one car = garage |>(for the bike of course). She got excited again and couldn't wait to = show |>me this place in Herndon that she discovered... which was further out = west |>than I told her I wanted to go, was more expensive that I could afford,= and |>didn't have a garage! Things definitely weren't working out well. |> |>So now that I'm looking again, I wanted to see if anyone here has = experience |>with a good real estate agent, someone who understands I'm not going to= give |>up my motorcycle to move into a "really cool" place, and who will = listen to |>what I say I'm looking for. I'm specifically looking in the Northern |>Virginia area (Alex, Springfield, Fairfax, Annandale, Vienna, etc.) If= you |>know of a real estate agent that would be good, please e-mail me (off = list) |>with his/her contact information and any experiences you had with them.= =20 |> |>Thanks, |> |>Louis |> |> |>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D |>Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours |>Alexandria, VA |>1999: Capitol 1000; New England 1000; FitE V |>http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 12:57:31 1999 Return-Path: RoyalMonarch@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01874 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:57:30 -0500 (EST) From: RoyalMonarch@XXXXXX Received: from RoyalMonarch@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 2.0.52d0b012 (4258) for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:56:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.52d0b012.25644665@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:56:53 EST Subject: Bikers Gable in more ways than one To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Greetings Fellow Bikers!! I have came up with an idea for us all to make some money. I am sur everyone hears about certain groups pooling there hard earned cash to win the lottery. Well, I was thinking we should all pool atleast $10 each when the powerball jackpot his 50 million or more the next time. We could all get paid, if anyone is interested e-mail me off list, and when the jackpot gets high I will e-mail you back and we all can meet or send me the money to get the tickets and when we win we split the jackpot. I have it all worked out so if you have any questions just e-mail me. Some say we take chances by riding fast..I say lets take a chance and win big. Thanks. B. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 13:14:19 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02149 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04416 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:13:46 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991117131239.00c536e0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:13:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Bikers Gable in more ways than one In-Reply-To: <0.52d0b012.25644665@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:56 PM 11/17/99 , RoyalMonarch@XXXXXX wrote: >Greetings Fellow Bikers!! I have came up with an idea for us all to make some >money. I am sur everyone hears about certain groups pooling there hard >earned cash to win the lottery. Well, I was thinking we should all pool >atleast $10 each when the powerball jackpot his 50 million or more the next >time. We could all get paid, if anyone is interested e-mail me off list, and >when the jackpot gets high I will e-mail you back and we all can meet or send >me the money to get the tickets and when we win we split the jackpot. I have >it all worked out so if you have any questions just e-mail me. Some say we >take chances by riding fast..I say lets take a chance and win big. Thanks. Why the Hell should we collectively throw our money away? I think we all do a good job of that on our own.....now back to my heated grip catalog. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 14:07:52 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03308 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:07:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:07:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199911180007.AA141033800@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Bikers Gable in more ways than one X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: RoyalMonarch@XXXXXX > Well, I was thinking we should all pool atleast $10 each when the > powerball jackpot his 50 million or more the next time. My chances of winning the lottery someday are only slightly reduced by the fact that I never play. :) Gambling and lotteries are taxes for people who are bad at math. You'd probably get a much better response if you hosted a group ride and invited everyone to attend - the people here have been known to show up and pay $10 in gas to ride around all day with others. We're all winners then. Regards, Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 14:30:15 1999 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03700 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:30:14 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 2.0.3ef54bbd (3964) for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:29:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.3ef54bbd.25645c25@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:29:41 EST Subject: Re: Bikers Gable in more ways than one To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 In a message dated 11/17/99 2:14:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > > Well, I was thinking we should all pool atleast $10 each when the > > powerball jackpot his 50 million or more the next time. > > My chances of winning the lottery someday are only slightly > reduced by the fact that I never play. :) However, if 7 people each put up just over $1m and there was only one winning ticket, it'd be worth it. (The VA lottery has 7.1m combinations). Of course, two winning tickets shoots the whole thing to hell :) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 14:40:56 1999 Return-Path: dave@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03817 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:40:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11oAwk-00019Z-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:40:50 -0500 Received: from david500 ([209.70.174.26]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA07893 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:41:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002201bf3134$cf79f540$1aae46d1@bdanet.com> From: "Dave Cross" To: References: <8525682C.0050B5EF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Subject: Re: new to racing...was Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:49:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > all. Street riding is starting to be way too limiting to me now. I can't > ride the way I want to ride anywhere but the rare deserted twisty road, and > even then I have to worry about road surface, cops, grannymobiles, etc. > It's really aggravating. I almost wish I hadn't done the track day - the > level at which I'm riding doesn't give me the same buzz it used to. I went street riding with some friends just this weekend on some twisty roads out in WV. It was my first time riding a motorcycle since my Turn 4 crash at Summit that broke my collar bone. Anyway, they wanted to search out some twisty roads (they are also racers and faster than me on the track), and have a little fun. I never really pushed it on the street before I started racing and I dont do it now. So we eventually found some twisty, fairly deserted roads that we could pick up the pace on. Frankly I was scared to death. After racing on a track, riding a sport bike on the street at even moderate pace is very scary, and not much fun, for me that is. On the track my thoughts are only on going as fast as possible, and I have never felt fear on the race track even when I was about to crash in Turn 4. On the street my thoughts varied from "My god this is stupid" to "I hope there is no car coming around the bend on this very narrow road". I didnt enjoy going fast on the street before I stared racing and I enjoy it even less now. Racing is expensive, but I think once you get over the initial starting costs such as bike, leathers, setup, etc., the other costs can be managed. Try doing some of these things to keep the costs down: Dont enter every class you may be eligible for. Maybe race only two races, you wont progress as quickly, but at least you are racing. Dont race with both WERA and CCS. Pick one and commit to just that series. Do race a lightweight bike where generally costs of tires, brakes, etc. are cheaper and they need replacing less often. Dont crash. :-) Crashing sucks and can cost a lot. Dont race at tracks other than your home track. It really gets expensive when you start to travel. Dont spend alot of money on performance modifications (better to spend that money on track time). Do bring your own food to the track. Do find a sponsor to help offset some of the costs (its not that hard). Do go as fast as Collin and win some money. I have never raced a YSR, or even seen it, but I cant imagine that it would be as fun as "the real thing". Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 15:27:11 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04615 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11905 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:26:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:26:57 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: new to racing...was Interested in Buying YSR50/80/etc. In-Reply-To: <8525682C.0050B5EF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > It's really aggravating. I almost wish I hadn't done the track day - the > level at which I'm riding doesn't give me the same buzz it used to. It helps to ride like a moron on the street before you do a track day. Then, you don't notice such a difference... :) To satisfy my need to ride near 100% of my ability I returned to dirt riding earlier this year (I'd started on dirt bikes as a kid). Not unlike what I hear from many who've done track days or schools I now have less fun doing twisty road street riding. Unlike road racing, dirt bikes are cheap (unless you start racing and even that is cheaper than road racing). Lots of fun can be had just doing little stuff, e.g., my brother and I have a 3 corner course in a flat field where we just do dirt track style riding/sliding. I hit the corners as hard as I can every time, sometimes harder (I low side every 8-10 laps or so... :) ), wheelying onto the straights... It's a blast. Then there's the trail riding, hill climbing, jumping, etc... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 15:34:21 1999 Return-Path: ghub@XXXXXX Received: from rmx05.globecomm.net (rmx05.iname.net [206.253.130.43]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04709 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from web08.pub01 by rmx05.globecomm.net (8.9.1/8.8.0) with SMTP id PAA24987 ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:34:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <381879859.942870841811.JavaMail.root@web08.pub01> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:34:01 -0500 (EST) From: G Hub To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Winterizing Bike Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 209.122.247.189 What is involved in winterizing a bike? Do I need to worry about the fuel? the battery? the oil? I have a Ducati ST4 with 2K miles. 1,300 miles on the oil. Or should I buy some heated garments? Thanks, Gerald ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 15:59:17 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05145 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12616 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:59:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:59:01 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: FS: electric vest Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've got a BMW electric vest that I'd like to sell. I've finally come to terms with the fact that I'm too fat for it now... It's a medium and would fit someone with a 39" chest and 31" waist or so. I'd like to get $60 for it. E-mail directly if you're interested. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 16:02:40 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05260 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id NAA28408 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:02:35 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:02:35 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Winterizing Bike Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:02:27 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >What is involved in winterizing a bike? Gerald, Don't winterize it! Ride it! I'd be glad to offer my services if, for some reason, you prefer not to ride during the winter ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 16:40:48 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05981 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:40:46 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip15.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip15.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.15]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA02672; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:40:38 -0800 (PST) To: Kirk Roy Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: FS: electric vest Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:43:25 GMT Message-ID: <38344b23.149029519@mail.earthlink.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable $60 no problem. The vest I have now is on loan from leon. I can meet you anywhere in maryland or send you a check or money order and pay for shipping. That's assuming someone hasn't already taken you up on your offer. Let me know, thanks Daniel On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:59:01 -0500 (EST), you wrote: |>I've got a BMW electric vest that I'd like to sell. I've finally come = to |>terms with the fact that I'm too fat for it now... It's a medium and = would |>fit someone with a 39" chest and 31" waist or so. I'd like to get $60 = for |>it. |> |>E-mail directly if you're interested. |> |>Kirk |>2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) |>1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) |>1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 17:08:45 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06561 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:08:32 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id n.0.b4d33a97 (4189); Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:07:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.b4d33a97.2564812e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:07:42 EST Subject: Re: RE: Winterizing Bike To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 In a message dated 11/17/99 4:09:03 PM, mike@XXXXXX writes: << Don't winterize it! Ride it! >> He's talking about riding! He DID mention electrics..... :D And let me add a tire question ... sine mine are beginning to look a little worn (tiny cracks etc) would noe maybe be a good time to get new ones? Before it gets REALLY cold? Marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 17:13:43 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA06642 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:13:42 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA09924; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:13:38 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027511; Wed, 17 Nov 99 15:26:31 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FLC007RUZMYGR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525682C.00702325 ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:24:48 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:25:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Bikers Gable in more ways than one To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525682C.00702FD4.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Oh, and *when* we win, I'm sure you wouldn't even THINK of stiffing everyone. You sound like such a straight-shooter, "B." Or should I call you "RoyalMonarch?" Chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: RoyalMonarch@XXXXXX when the jackpot gets high I will e-mail you back and we all can meet or send me the money to get the tickets and when we win we split the jackpot. I have it all worked out so if you have any questions just e-mail me. Some say we take chances by riding fast..I say lets take a chance and win big. Thanks. B. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 17:24:41 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06871 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11oDVE-0007gw-00; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:24:36 -0500 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27720; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:25:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 17 Nov 1999 17:23:07 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Winterizing Bike Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:33:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Gerald, Winterizing a bike really isn't all that important around here. It'll only be away for a few months. That said, make sure you deal with the fuel. Insure your tank is full of fuel with fuel stabilizer in it. Also make sure you've run some stabilized fuel through the system. I'm not sure if the ST4 has a real steel tank or plastic, but a steel tank will rust quickly if left partially empty. Not sure about FI, but carbs definitely get nasty pretty quickly as well. I didn't winterize my race bike last year and the tank rusted badly and carbs gunked up pretty good. Otherwise everything was OK. Last year my race bike battery seemed to survive the winter. But, about 1/2 way through the season it died. I'm not sure if it's because I left it over the winter, or overcharged it. I suspect the later, but the cheap Battery Tender is only around $25. I'll get one this year. You only really need to worry about oil and stuff if you don't plan on riding for a while. You can run your bike with fuel stabilizer in it whenever you want. If there is a few nice days, take it out and get the oil warmed up. If you plan on leaving it for more than a few months, do everything recomended for storage. If you think you can get yourself to ride it a few times during the winter, do less. My recommendation: Get some warm clothes and don't be a wuss :) Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 17:28:42 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06960 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:28:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-211.patriot.net [209.249.180.211]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA23177; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:27:33 -0500 Message-ID: <38332A0F.E76A629A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:19:59 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: G Hub CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winterizing Bike References: <381879859.942870841811.JavaMail.root@web08.pub01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bike stores and marine (boat) stores sell gas stabilizer. Buy it, use it. keep a trickle charger on battery. Read your owners manul for full on blocks storage info. What I do: Winterize? Hell no. Man, there's always a few warm days in the winter in the south! Three weeks later, after a kick-butt snow and ice spell ... *rrrr clickclickclick* &&^&%% Where's the battery charger... Bill G Hub wrote: > What is involved in winterizing a bike? Do I need to worry about the fuel? > the battery? the oil? > > I have a Ducati ST4 with 2K miles. 1,300 miles on the oil. > > Or should I buy some heated garments? > > Thanks, > > Gerald > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 17:36:17 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07143 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11oDgU-0000JV-00; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:36:14 -0500 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29715; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 17 Nov 1999 17:34:44 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: RE: Winterizing Bike Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:45:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Marci, I have a theory (possibly a bad one :) that a. Cold weather causes your tire to degrade (i.e. develop cracks and get so hard they no longer have any traction) b. When it is cold outside, tires are so hard they barely wear any more. So, I always wait until spring to get new ones. Plus, seeing the tires Collin took off pepe made me realize that I replace tires way too soon =:^O From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 17:43:08 1999 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07223 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:43:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id XBD06MK7; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:43:08 -0500 Message-ID: <002801bf314c$fc6de800$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Jay St. Peter" , Cc: Subject: Re: Re:Winterizing Bike Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:42:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Will the fuel stabilizer prevent carb gunk-up? -----Original Message----- From: Jay St. Peter To: ghub@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 5:38 PM Subject: Re:Winterizing Bike >Gerald, > >Winterizing a bike really isn't all that important around here. It'll only >be away for a few months. >That said, make sure you deal with the fuel. Insure your tank is full of >fuel with fuel stabilizer in it. Also make sure you've run some stabilized >fuel through the system. I'm not sure if the ST4 has a real steel tank or >plastic, but a steel tank will rust quickly if left partially empty. Not >sure about FI, but carbs definitely get nasty pretty quickly as well. I >didn't winterize my race bike last year and the tank rusted badly and carbs >gunked up pretty good. Otherwise everything was OK. >Last year my race bike battery seemed to survive the winter. But, about 1/2 >way through the season it died. I'm not sure if it's because I left it over >the winter, or overcharged it. I suspect the later, but the cheap Battery >Tender is only around $25. I'll get one this year. >You only really need to worry about oil and stuff if you don't plan on >riding for a while. You can run your bike with fuel stabilizer in it >whenever you want. If there is a few nice days, take it out and get the oil >warmed up. If you plan on leaving it for more than a few months, do >everything recomended for storage. If you think you can get yourself to >ride it a few times during the winter, do less. >My recommendation: Get some warm clothes and don't be a wuss :) > >Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 17:56:38 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07442 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11oE04-000187-00; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:56:28 -0500 Received: from superj (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA05942; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:56:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Mark Kitchell" Cc: Subject: RE: Re:Winterizing Bike Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:05:35 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002801bf314c$fc6de800$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Yep. If I was going to store it for more'n 6 months, I'd drain the carbs, but for 3-4 Stabil will do the trick. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:mKitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 2:42 PM Will the fuel stabilizer prevent carb gunk-up? From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 18:13:53 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07742 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:13:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11oEGm-0002Nz-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:13:44 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:13:23 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Seca II vs EX500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a friend who is considering buying one of these two bikes as a first bike and was wondering if anyone was aware of any reviews comparing these two bikes. The lists opinions on these two bikes would also be appreciated. Spreading that Moto Fever, ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 18:24:35 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web905.mail.yahoo.com (web905.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.80]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA07915 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:24:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991117232430.22042.rocketmail@web905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web905.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:24:30 PST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:24:30 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re:Winterizing Bike To: Mark Kitchell , "Jay St. Peter" , ghub@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Will the fuel stabilizer prevent carb gunk-up? > Yes. I put fuel stabilizer in my cage, filled the tank, ran it for about 20 miles, then parked it for 3 years. After I replaced the battery, it started right up and ran fine. Which reminds me, I need to do that again, before the carb gets gunked up, I haven't started it since last March. Leon. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 18:25:22 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07935 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA16193 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:25:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:25:18 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Seca II vs EX500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, Hugh Caldwell wrote: > I have a friend who is considering buying one of these > two bikes as a first bike and was wondering if anyone was aware > of any reviews comparing these two bikes. The lists opinions > on these two bikes would also be appreciated. I have no real opinion on either bike but... the EX500 is raced a lot and, as such, has a strong following that gets you: lots of tested mod recs; easily found used parts; significant aftermarket; etc. The Seca II, by comparison, does not have these things. Both should be good first bikes. The EX may have more room to grow because of the things listed above. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 18:44:42 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08275 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:44:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA24911; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:44:34 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:41:45 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF312B.65DCFF00.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'Hugh Caldwell'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Seca II vs EX500 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:41:44 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I liked the Seca II's when I was a salesman selling them. More power, less expensive bodywork to repair after a fall, etc. http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/6905/links.htm http://www.wilsonsmc.com/yamaha/fzrs.html some links. Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP 1996 CBR600F3 - 30 minutes old! AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Caldwell [SMTP:twg@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 6:13 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Seca II vs EX500 I have a friend who is considering buying one of these two bikes as a first bike and was wondering if anyone was aware of any reviews comparing these two bikes. The lists opinions on these two bikes would also be appreciated. Spreading that Moto Fever, ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 20:51:09 1999 Return-Path: EXAMAPRO@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10388 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:51:08 -0500 (EST) From: EXAMAPRO@XXXXXX Received: from EXAMAPRO@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id l.0.d87bbdeb (4453); Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:49:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.d87bbdeb.2564b535@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:49:41 EST Subject: Re: Seca II vs EX500 To: twg@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 The bikes are relatively comparable from a performance standpoint but the EX is usually more expensive to insurance and maintain due to it's watercooled engine. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 17 20:52:54 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10398 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-40.patriot.net [209.249.180.40]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA10499; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:52:46 -0500 Message-ID: <38335A25.3000D463@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:45:09 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "Jay St. Peter" , ghub@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winterizing Bike References: <002801bf314c$fc6de800$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes - if you run it long enough to send the treated gas thru the carbs. For long term storage I'd *fog* the engine (squirt oil or fogging oil into the carb throats while it's idling) then pull the plugs - couple oil squirts in each cylinder - blip the starter to coat the cylinders, and finger tight the plugs in. Bill Mark Kitchell wrote: > Will the fuel stabilizer prevent carb gunk-up? > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 18 08:51:19 1999 Return-Path: f4rider@XXXXXX Received: from 204.91.230.164 (mail.pg.cc.md.us [204.91.230.164]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA23069 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from icspgcc ([10.3.0.56]) by 204.91.230.164; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:49:52 -0500 From: "Brad Faas" To: "Hugh Caldwell" , Subject: RE: Seca II vs EX500 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:09:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Well, as some of the list may remember, I owned an EX500 as my first bike last year. Here's my run-down: Pluses: Light, easy to manuever Fairly comfortable Keep it revved way up and it's a blast Minuses: Can you say "rubber frame"? I knew you could. This doesn't matter until you start going on some of the more *ahem* spirited rides. Wierd tire sizes, hard to get good sticky stuff for it. (Though if your friend does buy an EX500, rip those stock tires off as soon as you can and put Dunlop K591's on.) Doesn't like to start / run below 40 degrees. All-in-all, I think it was a good learner bike for me. I had a lot of mechanical problems with mine, but I'm guessing this is not typical. Check out http://www.sport-twin.com for more info on the EX500. Brad 99 CBR600 F4 (street) 88 FZR400 (race) -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Caldwell [mailto:twg@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 6:13 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Seca II vs EX500 I have a friend who is considering buying one of these two bikes as a first bike and was wondering if anyone was aware of any reviews comparing these two bikes. The lists opinions on these two bikes would also be appreciated. Spreading that Moto Fever, ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 18 09:34:55 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23982 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:34:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA27861 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:34:49 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:31:53 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF31A7.BFF272A0.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: dreaded insurance thread Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:31:52 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As of last night I am the proud owner of a 1996 CBR600F3, which I purchased to replace the previous CBR600 which fell victim to a hit and run driver. Now I need to find insurance coverage for it and was looking for recommendations. So far I have checked with Progressive (still covered on my previous bike which I never stopped), Allstate (too much money), Geico (no garage-no policy) and State Farm (cheapest so far). I would greatly prefer 24 hour policy access via telephone or web, which, unfortunately, State Farm doesn't offer. Any other recommendations? Thanks in advance for your help. Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP 1996 CBR600F3 - just got! AMA 663626 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 18 09:45:09 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24220 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:45:07 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA20441; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:44:43 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmab01869; Thu, 18 Nov 99 09:28:13 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FLE00GEHDPOTC@XXXXXX>; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525682D.004F5394 ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:26:27 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:26:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Seca II vs EX500 To: Hugh Caldwell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525682D.004F60AC.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL I owned a '92 Seca II for about six or eight months when I first started riding. I literally took my first ever ride on a motorcycle on it, and I enjoyed it a lot when I had it. It's only real flaw was a buzziness around 4000rpm. It was something I eventually got used to and it's a known flaw with the Seca II. I wouldn't call that a reason not to buy one though. It was pretty comfortable for long rides, and cruised well at highway speeds. I got it up to about 115-120 indicated, so it's not slow. It was PLENTY fast for me at that point, and could actually handle pretty well. The Seca II was ultra-reliable too. The engine in the bike, for better or worse, has been around for a while. This means that it's been refined down to be pretty bulletproof, but that it doesn't have as much power as a similar newer model bike like the Suzuki Bandit. I think the figure 55hp was typical for the Seca. The bike is pretty practical too. Both seats are comfortable, it's got two helmet locks (as opposed the single one on my VTR), reasonable space under the seat, and a well-designed riding position. Comparisons to the EX500 will note that it's a four-cylinder as opposed to the Kawasaki's vertical twin. I would suppose this means that the EX has more power in the midrange and the Seca II has its power more concentrated at the top of the rev range. I know that I got the typical top-end rush of power on the Seca II that you normally find with four-cylinder engines. As a previous owner, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the bike to a new rider. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Hugh Caldwell Date: 11/17/99 11:13:23 PM GMT Subject: Seca II vs EX500 I have a friend who is considering buying one of these two bikes as a first bike and was wondering if anyone was aware of any reviews comparing these two bikes. The lists opinions on these two bikes would also be appreciated. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 18 10:15:37 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24719 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-230.patriot.net [209.249.180.230]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA29871; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:15:21 -0500 Message-ID: <38341639.F980CAB@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:07:37 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: dreaded insurance thread References: <01BF31A7.BFF272A0.bernescut@ncea.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everything I own is insured with State Farm. I've never had to collect from them, so have no info on how bitchy they are. My only m/c wreck was the geezer's fault and I collected a bundle from his insuarance co. I'm not sure why one would need 24 hr access. Bill Cedric Bernescut wrote: > As of last night I am the proud owner of a 1996 CBR600F3, which I purchased > to replace the previous CBR600 which fell victim to a hit and run driver. > Now I need to find insurance coverage for it and was looking for > recommendations. So far I have checked with Progressive (still covered on > my previous bike which I never stopped), Allstate (too much money), Geico > (no garage-no policy) and State Farm (cheapest so far). I would greatly > prefer 24 hour policy access via telephone or web, which, unfortunately, > State Farm doesn't offer. Any other recommendations? Thanks in advance > for your help. > Cedric > 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP > 1996 CBR600F3 - just got! > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 18 15:38:25 1999 Return-Path: FGrefe@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00496 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:38:24 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id y.0.c8f7cb6 (3944); Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:37:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.c8f7cb6.2565bd7d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:37:17 EST Subject: Re: dreaded insurance thread To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 In a message dated 11/18/99 9:39:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: > Now I need to find insurance coverage for it and was looking for > recommendations Farmer's insurance has good rates. I have State Farm and have made claims for a car wreck and a stolen motorcycle with no problems. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 18 16:01:12 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f67.hotmail.com [209.185.131.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00917 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 89845 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 1999 21:00:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19991118210039.89844.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:00:38 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winterizing Bike Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:00:38 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I am one of those who strongly believes that if you live around Washington DC you should RIDE IT ALL WINTER!!!! Get some real winter garments (not necessarily heated) and ride it! Thats why you bought it, right? Why let some "cold" weather keep you off your pride and joy? There are enough days above freezing with brilliant sunshine to make the cost and hassle of winterizing a bike a total waste!!! Seriously, ride it once or twice a month, enough to fill up the tank with fresh fuel. Follow the manufacturer's maintenance guidelines on oil changes. If the battery is old, replace it or use a battery tender. I ride my Pacific Coast every day to work and back until the snow flies, and I start again as soon as it melts off the roads. The longest my Honda sat in the garage? Two weeks in January 1996. RIDE IT !!!!!!! RIDE IT!!!!!!!! RIDE IT!!!!!!! >From: G Hub >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Winterizing Bike >Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:34:01 -0500 (EST) > >What is involved in winterizing a bike? Do I need to worry about the fuel? >the battery? the oil? > >I have a Ducati ST4 with 2K miles. 1,300 miles on the oil. > >Or should I buy some heated garments? > >Thanks, > >Gerald > >----------------------------------------------- >FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com >Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 18 16:26:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01294 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06030 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:26:23 -0500 (EST) From: SGPGSXR23@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA18856 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from SGPGSXR23@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id v.0.add07b52 (2720); Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:26:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.add07b52.2565c8f3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:26:11 EST Subject: Need technobabble webpage help To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) If anyone out there would be interested in helping setting up a web page for me, please post to the list and I will contact you. Thanks... SGP From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 18 16:29:43 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01388 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09635 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:28:58 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991118162632.00bef150@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:28:54 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Winterizing Bike In-Reply-To: <19991118210039.89844.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:00 PM 11/18/99 , Doug Allis wrote: >Seriously, ride it once or twice a month, enough to fill up the tank with >fresh fuel. Follow the manufacturer's maintenance guidelines on oil >changes. If the battery is old, replace it or use a battery tender. I ride >my Pacific Coast every day to work and back until the snow flies, and I >start again as soon as it melts off the roads. The longest my Honda sat in >the garage? Two weeks in January 1996. Easy for you to say. You have the guts to own and ride a Pacific Coast! Leave the guy alone. Year round riding isn't for everyone. It isn't easy or comfortable, and a lot of people question what joy we get out of winter riding. Some mornings, as my ass melts the frost on the seat, I ask myself that question. The VFR doesn't have as much wind protection as I had hoped, but it is a lot warmer to ride than the Nighthawk would ever be. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 18 16:30:48 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01470 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06055 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:30:42 -0500 (EST) From: SGPGSXR23@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA19065 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:30:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from SGPGSXR23@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id v.0.4b1b0151 (2721); Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:30:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.4b1b0151.2565c9f3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:30:27 EST Subject: gsxr web page? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Anyone know of any GSXR web pages? SGP From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 18 17:05:46 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f287.hotmail.com [209.185.130.226]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA02106 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10528 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 1999 22:05:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19991118220512.10527.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:05:12 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winterizing Bike Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:05:12 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hey! I owned a Nighthawk and rode it all winter -- WITH FAIRING ;) I traded UP to a Pacific Coast. Much more comfy for trips and about the same power and ride. I really do put about 10,000 miles on a bike a year. My old Honda was a 1985 CB-650SC with a shaft drive. Only problem I ever had? The previous owner decided he could let it sit all winter without winterizing. Only thing more stupid? Me buying it. Rebuilt carbs are expensive. GRRR. Winter riding can be lots of fun (esp to south and east of DC). Stay out of the mountains -- that's what skis are for! Yes, you have to prepare and dress well, but its fun riding for three sunny hours with friends and then hitting up a good warm, legal establishment! I like it better at 45-50 degrees than in the summer at 105! But if you are too afraid to ride in winter be sure to winterize -- or you'll pay pay pay!!!! >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Winterizing Bike >Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:28:54 -0500 > >At 04:00 PM 11/18/99 , Doug Allis wrote: >>Seriously, ride it once or twice a month, enough to fill up the tank with >>fresh fuel. Follow the manufacturer's maintenance guidelines on oil >>changes. If the battery is old, replace it or use a battery tender. I ride >>my Pacific Coast every day to work and back until the snow flies, and I >>start again as soon as it melts off the roads. The longest my Honda sat in >>the garage? Two weeks in January 1996. > >Easy for you to say. You have the guts to own and ride a Pacific Coast! > >Leave the guy alone. Year round riding isn't for everyone. It isn't easy >or comfortable, and a lot of people question what joy we get out of winter >riding. Some mornings, as my ass melts the frost on the seat, I ask myself >that question. The VFR doesn't have as much wind protection as I had >hoped, but it is a lot warmer to ride than the Nighthawk would ever be. > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 18 17:57:40 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02974 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-124.patriot.net [209.249.180.124]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA28345; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:56:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3834826F.14A12772@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:49:19 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Allis CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winterizing Bike References: <19991118210039.89844.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lemme guess, you're a young `un and get a kick outta showing up at work and bragging about riding in. Hey, worked for me when I wuz 29, even worked when I wuz 39. But as the years piled on I gained wisdom, a smidgin of common sense, and arthritis. Testing the limits of hypothermia isn't fun, especially when the ol' joints ache like a screaming bitch. So you young `uns have your chilly fun while it lasts. I own a bike to enjoy it. My new rule is when the temp is lower than my age, I take the cage. Bill Doug Allis wrote: > I am one of those who strongly believes that if you live around Washington > DC you should RIDE IT ALL WINTER!!!! Get some real winter garments (not > necessarily heated) and ride it! Thats why you bought it, right? Why let > some "cold" weather keep you off your pride and joy? There are enough days > above freezing with brilliant sunshine to make the cost and hassle of > winterizing a bike a total waste!!! > > Seriously, ride it once or twice a month, enough to fill up the tank with > fresh fuel. Follow the manufacturer's maintenance guidelines on oil changes. > If the battery is old, replace it or use a battery tender. I ride my Pacific > Coast every day to work and back until the snow flies, and I start again as > soon as it melts off the roads. The longest my Honda sat in the garage? Two > weeks in January 1996. > > RIDE IT !!!!!!! RIDE IT!!!!!!!! RIDE IT!!!!!!! > > >From: G Hub > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Winterizing Bike > >Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:34:01 -0500 (EST) > > > >What is involved in winterizing a bike? Do I need to worry about the fuel? > >the battery? the oil? > > > >I have a Ducati ST4 with 2K miles. 1,300 miles on the oil. > > > >Or should I buy some heated garments? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Gerald > > > >----------------------------------------------- > >FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > >Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 18 18:24:19 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03467 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:24:17 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip252.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip252.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.252]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA28859; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:24:13 -0800 (PST) To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: dreaded insurance thread Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 02:27:04 GMT Message-ID: <38344eb5.215489568@mail.earthlink.net> References: <01BF31A7.BFF272A0.bernescut@ncea.org> In-Reply-To: <01BF31A7.BFF272A0.bernescut@ncea.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In case you didn't know, progressive's policy gives you coverage for 30 days when you buy another bike. I don't know the exact details, but I need to look them up to see if I have to notify them of the purchase I just made. I plan to go with maryland cycle direct, as they have the lowest rate. I found them by looking in a free local motorcycle newspaper sitting near the door of a bikeshop. I'm thinking maybe one of these smaller places might have a better rate for you too. Also if your progressive policy is already paid off maybe they can just change the bike and it will only go up a little more? I know they have a $50 fee for cancelling a policy that you should also be aware of. But if you just add your new bike and drop your old bike, you still keep the same policy. Daniel now where did i put my policy info :) On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:31:52 -0500, you wrote: |>As of last night I am the proud owner of a 1996 CBR600F3, which I = purchased=20 |>to replace the previous CBR600 which fell victim to a hit and run = driver.=20 |> Now I need to find insurance coverage for it and was looking for=20 |>recommendations. So far I have checked with Progressive (still covered= on=20 |>my previous bike which I never stopped), Allstate (too much money), = Geico=20 |>(no garage-no policy) and State Farm (cheapest so far). I would = greatly=20 |>prefer 24 hour policy access via telephone or web, which, = unfortunately,=20 |>State Farm doesn't offer. Any other recommendations? Thanks in = advance=20 |>for your help. |>Cedric |>1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP |>1996 CBR600F3 - just got! |>AMA 663626 |>Annandale, VA |> |> |> From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 18 18:26:08 1999 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03480 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:26:07 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id i.0.51e35e87 (4333); Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:25:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.51e35e87.2565e4e0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:25:20 EST Subject: Re: Winterizing Bike To: dhallis@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 In a message dated 11/18/99 5:21:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, dhallis@XXXXXX writes: > My old Honda was a 1985 CB-650SC with a shaft drive Heh... I had one of those too - a CB700SC with the little fairing and shaft drive. Rode the hell outa that thing. Froze my posterior off any number of times as well. It was the most reliable motor vehicle I have ever owned... those things are built like tanks! I have to agree with Bill though - I ride and race motorcycles for enjoyment. Freezing my butt off is not enjoyable, and having hit a random patch of ice at speed before, I can attest that it's not enjoyable either (it hadn't snowed or rained or anything, some water was put down by something and froze into a nice invisible strip). Of course, the old porsche I just picked up currently doesn't have heat. Hmmm. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 18 20:50:46 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05935 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA07139 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA02745 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va17-16.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.208]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA05968; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:50:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3834ACA1.AE822A67@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:49:21 -0500 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SGPGSXR23@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: gsxr web page? References: <0.4b1b0151.2565c9f3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only one I know of is http://www.gixxer.com/main.htm Chuck '93 GSXR750 SGPGSXR23@XXXXXX wrote: > > Anyone know of any GSXR web pages? > > SGP -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098 From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 18 22:07:42 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07124 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-124.patriot.net [209.249.180.124]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA16891 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:07:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3834BD30.F24EE73D@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:00:00 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Warm days Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As one of our listers pointed out, the sunny south has many warm days during the winter, days warm enough that even ol' farts like meself will toss a leg over the bike and RIDE!. But alas, according to my owners manual, my Harley needs a full bore checkover every 10K. Even if I deliver it to a tech-mech it will be out of comission for a few days. You never know when the sun will shine! Drats. If I do it myself, and I most likely will, the procedure will take many days. *flip flip* thru the manual. Find the &*^%* tools in the garage from hell. Plus, my EVO engine is suffering from the EVO curse - leaky base gaskets. A Harley leaking oil? Oh my, what a surprise! This will require yanking the jugs - many many days. But hey! The sun may shine soon! And that is my quandry. I *hate* to disable the bike. Lemme see - 10K - oops! Been about 12K since a tech mech touched it. Been about 15K since the primary chain was adjusted. Better get right on it. Hmm... weather.com *click* WHOA! Lookee here! In the 60s! Hang in there Hawg, we be going riding ..... Bill neglected `93 FHLS From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 18 23:53:16 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA08756 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:53:15 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id c.0.78be403f (4445); Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:52:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.78be403f.25663196@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:52:38 EST Subject: Re: RE: Winterizing Bike To: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 In a message dated 11/17/99 5:36:29 PM, jay.stpeter@XXXXXX writes: << Plus, seeing the tires Collin took off pepe made me realize that I replace tires way too soon =:^O >> THAT's good to know! :D I can only imagine .... From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 18 23:56:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA08805 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:56:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA07904 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:56:50 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA09118 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:56:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id v.0.67417bf (4445); Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:56:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.67417bf.25663286@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:56:38 EST Subject: Re: Need technobabble webpage help To: SGPGSXR23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Perhaps you meant any such person should email you privately OFF-list? Marcy In a message dated 11/18/99 4:34:56 PM, SGPGSXR23@XXXXXX writes: << If anyone out there would be interested in helping setting up a web page for me, please post to the list and I will contact you. Thanks... SGP >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 19 08:28:35 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18605 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14216 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:31:17 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D88C8@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Warm days / low oil Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:31:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Bummer dude, My UJM has a leaky valve gasket, soooo psssstt, hey buddy, wanna hot stock tip, buy oil futures ;) Ha ha ha, "just pour it in and it works." (said with the Shake and Bake "and I helped" southern accent) Ride on, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 10:00 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Warm days As one of our listers pointed out, the sunny south has many warm days during the winter, days warm enough that even ol' farts like meself will toss a leg over the bike and RIDE!. But alas, according to my owners manual, my Harley needs a full bore checkover every 10K. Even if I deliver it to a tech-mech it will be out of comission for a few days. You never know when the sun will shine! Drats. If I do it myself, and I most likely will, the procedure will take many days. *flip flip* thru the manual. Find the &*^%* tools in the garage from hell. Plus, my EVO engine is suffering from the EVO curse - leaky base gaskets. A Harley leaking oil? Oh my, what a surprise! This will require yanking the jugs - many many days. But hey! The sun may shine soon! And that is my quandry. I *hate* to disable the bike. Lemme see - 10K - oops! Been about 12K since a tech mech touched it. Been about 15K since the primary chain was adjusted. Better get right on it. Hmm... weather.com *click* WHOA! Lookee here! In the 60s! Hang in there Hawg, we be going riding ..... Bill neglected `93 FHLS From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 19 08:39:01 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19076 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:39:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14264 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:39:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:41:49 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D88C9@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Winterizing Bike Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:41:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yes, Tuesday night I rediscovered the "joys" of night riding in the fall. As I rode out that day, "windbreaker will be enough." Boy was I cold when the sun went down. The time was only 5:30 p.m. Just really pissed me off to see some cager with one in the car in the HOV lane with me freezing on the bike which was why I rode it into town in the first place. Proper gear for me now!! The calendar says fall, but the temps say winter. And yes, the car heater worked just great this morning. See ya, Mike Jay 82 XJ750RJ (a.k.a. UJM shaftee, too) From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 19 08:52:12 1999 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19306 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:52:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17416; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:52:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:52:00 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: Michael Jay cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Warm days / low oil In-Reply-To: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D88C8@tralfaz.treev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII That malady sure sounds like a UBM!! (Universal British Motorcycle) or a USAM (Universal Seventies American Motorcycle) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Michael Jay wrote: > Bummer dude, > > My UJM has a leaky valve gasket, soooo > > psssstt, hey buddy, wanna hot stock tip, > > buy oil futures ;) > > Ha ha ha, "just pour it in and it works." > (said with the Shake and Bake > "and I helped" southern accent) > > Ride on, > Mike Jay > '82 XJ750RJ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 10:00 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Warm days > > > As one of our listers pointed out, the sunny south has many warm days > during the winter, days warm enough that even ol' farts like meself will > toss a leg over the bike and RIDE!. > > But alas, according to my owners manual, my Harley needs a full bore > checkover every 10K. Even if I deliver it to a tech-mech it will be out > of comission for a few days. You never know when the sun will shine! > Drats. If I do it myself, and I most likely will, the procedure will > take many days. *flip flip* thru the manual. Find the &*^%* tools in the > garage from hell. Plus, my EVO engine is suffering from the EVO curse - > leaky base gaskets. A Harley leaking oil? Oh my, what a surprise! This > will require yanking the jugs - many many days. But hey! The sun may > shine soon! > > And that is my quandry. I *hate* to disable the bike. Lemme see - 10K - > oops! Been about 12K since a tech mech touched it. Been about 15K since > the primary chain was adjusted. Better get right on it. > > Hmm... weather.com *click* WHOA! Lookee here! In the 60s! Hang in there > Hawg, we be going riding ..... > > Bill > neglected `93 FHLS > From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 19 09:02:57 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19458 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:02:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-17.patriot.net [209.249.180.17]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA22438; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:02:50 -0500 Message-ID: <383556BE.6B87769F@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:55:10 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Jay CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winterizing Bike References: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D88C9@tralfaz.treev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an advantage Re early AM temps. Being self employed, I have no clock to punch and routinely head for the research library after rush hour, and head for home port before rush hour. Office work and net research is done at home, but even then it's a short day. heh heh. On really nice days I've ben known to flee the library after lunch and... oh, around dinner time I chug into home port, windblown and bug splatted. "Rough day at work, dear?" sez She with sarcasm dripping. heh heh Bill Champion of the You Want It When? (har har har) work ethic Michael Jay wrote: > Yes, > > Tuesday night I rediscovered the "joys" of night riding > in the fall. As I rode out that day, "windbreaker will > be enough." Boy was I cold when the sun went down. > > The time was only 5:30 p.m. > > Just really pissed me off to see some cager with one > in the car in the HOV lane with me freezing on the > bike which was why I rode it into town in the first > place. > > Proper gear for me now!! The calendar says fall, but > the temps say winter. > > And yes, the car heater worked just great this morning. > > See ya, > Mike Jay > 82 XJ750RJ (a.k.a. UJM shaftee, too) From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 19 09:19:43 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19700 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14713 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:19:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:22:31 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427012D88CB@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Cool EVO stuff Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:22:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hey HD folks, A bit early for most EVO engines but looks cool http://www.harley-davidson.com/products/gma/gma_reman.asp I must be an odd one to get all excited by machine shop. Oh well, I'm just a kid, hey, why do you think I ride. Let's here it for Friday, huh? See ya, Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 19 09:20:07 1999 Return-Path: f4rider@XXXXXX Received: from 204.91.230.164 (mail.pg.cc.md.us [204.91.230.164]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19777 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from icspgcc (ICSPGCC.pg.cc.md.us [10.3.0.56]) by 204.91.230.164; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:19:52 -0500 From: "Brad Faas" To: "Bill Huson" Cc: Subject: Ride all year - WAS: RE: Winterizing Bike Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:39:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3834826F.14A12772@patriot.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Ummm, no I don't think any of my co-workers are impressed. I actually ride just to simply ride -- I enjoy my bike all year. And I stay pretty warm and comfortable while doing it. :-) And riding all year will help keep me in a somewhat non-rusty condition for next race season... But, I guess I am a young `un. Keep this email in storge for about 30 years, and then bring it back out to haunt me... :-) Brad 99 CBR600 F4 (street - ready for winter!) 88 FZR400 (race - depressed now that's winter) -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 5:49 PM To: Doug Allis Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winterizing Bike Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lemme guess, you're a young `un and get a kick outta showing up at work and bragging about riding in. Hey, worked for me when I wuz 29, even worked when I wuz 39. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 19 09:33:21 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19927 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:33:19 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525682E.00510ABE ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:45:11 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525682E.00510A97.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:27:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Winterizing Bike Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline You know, it's funny, I'm always the one asking myself "Why am I doing this???!!" on summer days when it's 90+ degrees out and I'm melting in my leathers. Gimmee winter over summer anytime! LOL I guess it all boils down to personal preference. - Jeannette http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Troutman on 11/18/99 04:28:54 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: Winterizing Bike At 04:00 PM 11/18/99 , Doug Allis wrote: >Seriously, ride it once or twice a month, enough to fill up the tank with >fresh fuel. Follow the manufacturer's maintenance guidelines on oil >changes. If the battery is old, replace it or use a battery tender. I ride >my Pacific Coast every day to work and back until the snow flies, and I >start again as soon as it melts off the roads. The longest my Honda sat in >the garage? Two weeks in January 1996. Easy for you to say. You have the guts to own and ride a Pacific Coast! Leave the guy alone. Year round riding isn't for everyone. It isn't easy or comfortable, and a lot of people question what joy we get out of winter riding. Some mornings, as my ass melts the frost on the seat, I ask myself that question. The VFR doesn't have as much wind protection as I had hoped, but it is a lot warmer to ride than the Nighthawk would ever be. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 19 10:17:51 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20621 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA29639; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:17:21 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:14:15 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF3276.D58BC560.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dreaded insurance thread Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:14:14 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for all the responses to my insurance thread. I contacted the following: Rider insurance (some carrier with a deal with Rider magazine) Geico Allstate Farmers Insurance Progressive Bikeline Dairyland some others that I forgot. The summary: for a 36 year old married man riding a 1996 CBR600F3 with liability, comprehensive, and collision as well as upping the coverages to 50/100/50 and $250 deductible and no medical coverage I am paying $205 a year. I almost dropped the phone when I got that quote, he even ran it through twice to be sure. Also, unlike Progressive, they let me pay in monthly installments (hey why not?) for a one time fee of $2.00. Progressive broke down their coverage into 4 payments and charged a $7.00 fee each payment-$28 just for the privilege of making payments. Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP 1996 CBR600F3 - just got! AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [SMTP:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 9:27 PM To: bernescut@XXXXXX Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: dreaded insurance thread In case you didn't know, progressive's policy gives you coverage for 30 days when you buy another bike. I don't know the exact details, but I need to look them up to see if I have to notify them of the purchase I just made. I plan to go with maryland cycle direct, as they have the lowest rate. I found them by looking in a free local motorcycle newspaper sitting near the door of a bikeshop. I'm thinking maybe one of these smaller places might have a better rate for you too. Also if your progressive policy is already paid off maybe they can just change the bike and it will only go up a little more? I know they have a $50 fee for cancelling a policy that you should also be aware of. But if you just add your new bike and drop your old bike, you still keep the same policy. Daniel now where did i put my policy info :) On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:31:52 -0500, you wrote: |>As of last night I am the proud owner of a 1996 CBR600F3, which I purchased |>to replace the previous CBR600 which fell victim to a hit and run driver. |> Now I need to find insurance coverage for it and was looking for |>recommendations. So far I have checked with Progressive (still covered on |>my previous bike which I never stopped), Allstate (too much money), Geico |>(no garage-no policy) and State Farm (cheapest so far). I would greatly |>prefer 24 hour policy access via telephone or web, which, unfortunately, |>State Farm doesn't offer. Any other recommendations? Thanks in advance |>for your help. |>Cedric |>1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP |>1996 CBR600F3 - just got! |>AMA 663626 |>Annandale, VA |> |> |> From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 19 10:23:49 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA20698 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:23:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991119152345.25854.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.212.194.38] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:23:45 PST Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:23:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Dreaded Insurance Thread To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cedric, Which s WHat SF agent are you talking to?? I can't speak for all of em, but as far as I know, they DO have 24 hour phone access... was just discussing it with my local agent a couple of weeks ago.. in my case, I just call the local office number after hours and it will automatically transfer to a regional office with after hours support/claims service. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 19 10:47:49 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21123 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:47:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA01469; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:46:42 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:43:36 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF327A.EEABD220.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Dreaded Insurance Thread Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:43:34 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ooops, I forgot to clarify, that quote was from Dee Young agency of State Farm insurance in Annandale Virginia. Yes, they do have 24 hour support, but essentially an operator takes a message for the agent who calls you back the next day. I am something of an insomniac and do most of my personal accounting late at night and I actually do call Geico, Progressive, et al at 1:00 am to verify my, um slightly overdue checks, from time to time. Of course, there was the time I noticed that my wife's name wasn't listed on our car insurance policy at all and a 11:30pm call to Geico alleviated my concern (they only list the primary driver on the bill). I'll just have to do without for the MC policy. One nice thing is that I can drop a check off at the agency and not worry if the mailman is going to get it there on time. Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP 1996 CBR600F3 - just got! AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 10:24 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dreaded Insurance Thread Cedric, Which s WHat SF agent are you talking to?? I can't speak for all of em, but as far as I know, they DO have 24 hour phone access... was just discussing it with my local agent a couple of weeks ago.. in my case, I just call the local office number after hours and it will automatically transfer to a regional office with after hours support/claims service. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 19 12:45:36 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23155 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:44:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Winterizing Bike Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:44:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Bill claimed, "My new rule is when the temp is lower than my age, I take the cage." Uh uh, too many nice days when it's below 59 F. Or, did you mean degrees Kelvin? ;^) I'm with Doug, "RIDE IT !!!!!!! RIDE IT!!!!!!!! RIDE IT!!!!!!!" Leon, "Have to put Stabil in my cage" is no spring chicken either. Carl S. Custer Bethesda, MD Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! '85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito" '80 GS450E "Caballoante"; 1997 AeroStich Roadcrafter "Fred the Red"; FOM #3, AMA 676120; FOO/FOP; OGM #008; FMOENMC #0002 From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 19 12:56:01 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA23253 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:55:59 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA25731; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:54:09 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma001131; Fri, 19 Nov 99 11:37:37 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FLG00FD8EDHUT@XXXXXX>; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:41:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525682E.005B2E9B ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:35:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:35:57 -0500 Subject: RE: dreaded insurance thread To: Cedric Bernescut Cc: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <8525682E.005B355D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL So which carrier was it with??? To: "'daniel_ex250@XXXXXX'" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Cedric Bernescut The summary: for a 36 year old married man riding a 1996 CBR600F3 with liability, comprehensive, and collision as well as upping the coverages to 50/100/50 and $250 deductible and no medical coverage I am paying $205 a year. I almost dropped the phone when I got that quote, he even ran it through twice to be sure. Also, unlike Progressive, they let me pay in monthly installments (hey why not?) for a one time fee of $2.00. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 19 12:56:39 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23273 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA02281; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:02:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <031901bf32b7$a2607e60$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , Subject: Fw: New Racetrack in PA Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:58:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Faison To: ; ; ; ; Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 9:02 AM Subject: New Racetrack in PA > Hi all, > > I'm posting the message below for a friend who is involved in the > development of the racetrack mentioned in the message (this is _not_ the > track at www.formulaclub.com.) What he's trying to do is generate a stack > of mail indicating interest to help get the project moving faster > (sort of a kick in the pants for the man w/the money.) If you're at all > interested in racing, spectating, etc. at this new track, please take a > second to shoot off an email to pa_racetrack@XXXXXX to express your > interest and help get the ball rolling. The more mail, the greater the > impact... fire up those keyboards. > > Remember, don't reply to me, send the mail to pa_racetrack@XXXXXX > > Please forward this to any other lists/friends that you feel it applies > to. I know I missed quite a few, but I only sent it to the lists that I'm > subscribed to. > > thanks, > Craig Faison > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > There is a major MOTORCYCLE roadracing track in the final planning stages, > to be located in central PA. Travel time should be 2-3 hours by interstate > from NYC, Philadelphia, and Baltimore/Washington. > > Current plans call for a 2.5 mile, 36 foot wide road course, dedicated to > MOTORCYCLE & KART RACING. There will probably also be smaller track > layouts for YSR and Car Solo 1 use. > > The main track will be a high-speed challenging layout, with motorcycle > safety the #1 concern (big time runoff-NO WALLS OR ARMCO.) > > If you would be interested in coming to this track for racing, > schools/riding or viewing racing action, please take a moment to send us > a line saying so. All we're looking for is a head count, so a Name & City, > State will do just fine. The more response we get, the sooner construction > is likely to begin, so pass the word to everyone you know that may have > an interest in this. > > Please email your letter of interest to pa_racetrack@XXXXXX > > Thank You > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 19 16:16:18 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26583 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:16:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-188.patriot.net [209.249.180.188]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA11367; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:16:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3835BC46.29D25F2F@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:08:22 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Custer, Carl" CC: "'DCCy'" Subject: Re: Winterizing Bike References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 59 !!! I ain't that old -- yet. Rode yesterday, rode today, and will catch a few breezes this weekend. Bill Annandale VA Riding these roads since 1962 cut back to two wheels in 1971 Custer, Carl wrote: > Bill claimed, "My new rule is when the temp is lower than my age, I take the > cage." > Uh uh, too many nice days when it's below 59 F. Or, did you mean degrees > Kelvin? ;^) > > I'm with Doug, "RIDE IT !!!!!!! RIDE IT!!!!!!!! RIDE IT!!!!!!!" > Leon, "Have to put Stabil in my cage" is no spring chicken either. > > Carl S. Custer > Bethesda, MD > > Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, > but no ice! > '85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito" '80 GS450E "Caballoante"; 1997 AeroStich > Roadcrafter "Fred the Red"; FOM #3, AMA 676120; FOO/FOP; OGM #008; FMOENMC > #0002 From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 19 17:07:34 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27540 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-109-239.s239.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.239]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA26964 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:14:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005901bf32da$75cb99c0$ef6daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: wrenching Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:07:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I said I would let the list know when I am going to do some wrenching so.... I will be installing a hugger on my VFR (maybe changing plugs also) and clip-ons onto the SV. Anyone is welcome to come over and bring some work of their own or watch or help or whatever. I should have whatever tools are needed. I will start about 9:30 a.m. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 19 18:20:37 1999 Return-Path: Bssmith@XXXXXX Received: from smtp02.worldbank.org (smtp02.worldbank.org [138.220.3.17]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28861 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:20:36 -0500 (EST) From: Bssmith@XXXXXX Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org ([138.220.29.7]) by worldbank.org (PMDF V5.1-8 #16195) with SMTP id <01JIJ4Q66ZXS9BVH0G@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:18:31 EDT Received: by WBLN0014.worldbank.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525682E.007FAE7F ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:14:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:18:51 -0500 Subject: Kawa GPz 11 '82-'84 Interchange To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525682E.007FAC3C.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLDBANK Am contemplating a parts bike and interested in interchange compatibility (engine, DFI,...) between '82 and '84 GPz11s. Any advice, pls respond to bssmith@XXXXXX Thanks, Brian '81 GPz550 '82 GPz1100 From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 19 23:41:26 1999 Return-Path: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA03839 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 23:41:24 -0500 (EST) From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Received: from EmergeOut@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 2.0.d4b5fa26 (4588) for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 23:40:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.d4b5fa26.2567804f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 23:40:47 EST Subject: Still looking for a sports bike atleast 600cc To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Greetings Riders, I am still looking to buy a good used sports bike. I am interested in purchasing a bike by the end of winter or the middle of spring. If you will be selling a bike or know of someone that will be selling a bike please contact me ASAP. Also, I want to thank everyone for there responses the first time I put my ad up. I had to drop out the "race" for a while because I am going to be a daddy and I did not know how tight money was going to be. But I am back now! Just remember I am not rich so please send me reasonable priced bikes. Also, wanted to tell all I borrowed my bro's '98 CBR600F4 last weekend and took a drive to Morgantown, WV with some buddies of mine. If you want to take that ride it is really nice, especially in western. MD...the twist and turns and hills are great. Also, everything they said about the CBR is true! I loved it. Brian Banks From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 20 08:41:55 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15329 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:41:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-109-239.s239.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.239]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA22512; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:40:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <013601bf335c$dc63d080$ef6daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , Subject: wanted gsxr shock Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:40:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Does anyone have a gsxr (600 or 750) shock they want to sell? I would prefer one that has been revalved and respringed, but any will do. Please respond off-list. Thanks. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 20 20:06:10 1999 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA26091 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:06:09 -0500 (EST) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id n.0.a8afe952 (3960); Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:05:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.a8afe952.25689f5b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:05:31 EST Subject: Bikes for Sale To: dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Thought I'd pass this on to the news list ?YR SPORTY -- FOR DETAILS SEND A NOTE TO WENDYROCKS@XXXXXX -- THIS BIKES IS JETTED & READY TO ROLL. WENDY JUST GOT A NEW HERITAGE. $8,500. '95 DYNA WIDE GLIDE I'm selling my 1995 Dyna. It started out as FXDS, but now has a billet Wide-Glide front end. Bike is done up very tastefully. It's got the best of everything! I've got well over $20K invested and am asking only $15,900. E-mail me for pics and full description. I've been holding off selling it, but my new Road King is due in any time now! Brian -- DynaHog (click here to send an email to Brian) ?YR ROYAL STAR Contact Bill at CycleEvent@XXXXXX -- VERY NICE BIKE WITH LOTS O' UPGRADES. HE'S LOOKING AT A 1500cc SOMETHING OR OTHER. FOR PICS & PRICES, CONTACT BILL. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 20 22:16:47 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from kcmso1.proxy.att.com (kcmso1.att.com [192.128.133.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA28013 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:16:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from gab200r1.ems.att.com ([135.37.94.32]) by kcmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id WAA25868; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:15:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by gab200r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id WAA14032; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:15:20 -0500 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE027F3109@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'2xracers@XXXXXX'" <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Sunday ride? Anyone? Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:14:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Seems a shame to waste such a nice day. I guess I could do some yard work . Save me! Let's go for a ride! If you would like to join me (or if I could join you) for a leisurely ride around Loudoun county, send me an email directly, as I am on the digest. Thanks, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 22 06:24:14 1999 Return-Path: matte@XXXXXX Received: from mail.savvis.net (mail.savvis.net [209.83.194.44]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA01712 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 06:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from oalre007 (h100-89-217-199.sales.savvis.net [199.217.89.100]) by mail.savvis.net (8.8.8/Savvis_V0.4) with SMTP id FAA16220; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 05:23:37 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 06:26:09 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF34B2.7710DC80.matte@savvis.net> From: Matt Elliott Reply-To: "matte@XXXXXX" To: "'Bill Huson'" , "bernescut@XXXXXX" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dreaded insurance thread Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 06:26:08 -0500 Organization: SAVVIS X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Same here - I've got everything through State Farm, have collected once on the cage, and once on homeowners, they've been a pleasure as an agent - very easy to work w/ and seem almost too eager to hand out money! They weren't stingy at all, and make any unfortunate occurrence a bit more bearable. Not true of other vendors I'm told. In fact I thought State Farm was usually the more expensive, but higher quality shop... As always your mileage may vary...they've been the best I've dealt w/. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [SMTP:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 10:08 AM To: bernescut@XXXXXX Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: dreaded insurance thread Everything I own is insured with State Farm. I've never had to collect from them, so have no info on how bitchy they are. My only m/c wreck was the geezer's fault and I collected a bundle from his insuarance co. I'm not sure why one would need 24 hr access. Bill Cedric Bernescut wrote: > As of last night I am the proud owner of a 1996 CBR600F3, which I purchased > to replace the previous CBR600 which fell victim to a hit and run driver. > Now I need to find insurance coverage for it and was looking for > recommendations. So far I have checked with Progressive (still covered on > my previous bike which I never stopped), Allstate (too much money), Geico > (no garage-no policy) and State Farm (cheapest so far). I would greatly > prefer 24 hour policy access via telephone or web, which, unfortunately, > State Farm doesn't offer. Any other recommendations? Thanks in advance > for your help. > Cedric > 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP > 1996 CBR600F3 - just got! > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 22 09:00:18 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05058 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA17271; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:58:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00c901bf34f2$27449800$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , , , Subject: Fw: Missing Child, Please Take A Minute NmcC Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:01:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C5_01BF34C8.3B074920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01BF34C8.3B074920 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00C6_01BF34C8.3B074920" ------=_NextPart_001_00C6_01BF34C8.3B074920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for the NmcC, but this might be an example of the power of the = net. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV > > > -------------Original Message-------------------- > > > Subject: Missing Child please read view and forward > > > > > > I hope I have covered enough East Coast, Midwest, and West Coast = people=20 > >to > > > spreadout the search for this little girl. It only takes 2 = seconds to > > > "forward" this on. If it were your child, you would want all the = help=20 > >you > > > could get. Please. I am asking you all, begging you to please = forward=20 > >this > > > email to anyone and everyone. As most all of you know, I have a 5 = year=20 > >old > > > daughter named Kelsey Brooke Jones. We are from Southern = Minnesota. She > >has > > > been missing since 4pm Oct.11, 1999. The police were notified = shortly > > > after. If anyone anywhere knows anything, sees anything, = pleeeeaaaase > > > contact me if you have my number. The police don't recommend I = put my > > > number online, but you can contact the Police. A missing persons = report > > > has been filed. I am including a picture of her. All prayers are > > > appreciated!! > > > > > > Thank you, Amy > > > > > > See attachment for photo. ------=_NextPart_001_00C6_01BF34C8.3B074920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry for the NmcC, but this might be = an example of=20 the power of the net.
 
Danny
'99 VFR
'99 SV

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> > > I hope I have = covered=20 enough East Coast, Midwest, and West Coast people
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> > >
> > > Thank you, Amy
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> > > See attachment for=20 photo.

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It is, unfortunately it appears to be a hoax -- thus illustrating another power of the net. see http://www.snopes.com/spoons/faxlore/kelsey.htm http://urbanlegends.about.com/culture/urbanlegends/library/blmiss3.htm?terms=jones&PM=113_300_T Here's some excerpts from TOURBUS, an Internet news and info 'zine. The story turns out quite strange - the child was "missing" for about two hours (found by police in a nearby apartment watching TV with friends), but the mother has embellished the story quite a bit. ********************************************************* TOURBUS -- 22 OCTOBER 1999 -- NASA KIDS / MISSING KID HOAX I am asking you all, begging you to please forward this email on to anyone and everyone. As most all of you know, I have a 5 year old daughter named Kelsey Brooke Jones. We are from Southern Minnesota. She has been missing since 4 pm Oct. 11, 1999. The police were notified shortly after. If anyone anywhere knows anything, sees anything, pleeeeaaaase contact me if you have my number. The police don't recommend I put my number online, but you can contact the Police, a missing persons report has been filed. I am including a picture of her. All prayers are appreciated!! I am happy to announce that this is yet another Internet hoax. Kelsey Brooke Jones, if she even exists, is *NOT* missing. Here's how I know: 1. There is no NCIC report on Kelsey Brooke Jones. As you saw earlier, if Kelsey really *is* missing -- and if the mythical "Southern Minnesota" police department really *did* file a missing persons report -- federal law requires that there be an NCIC report on Kelsey's disappearance. No such report exists. 2. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children [ http://www.missingkids.org/ ] has no report on Kelsey Brooke Jones or, for that matter, any other child from "Southern Minnesota" who went missing on October 11. 3. The FBI office in Minneapolis, the largest metropolitan city in "Southern Minnesota," has no information on Kelsey Brooke Jones. In fact, according to an agent I spoke to, the FBI thinks the Kelsey Brooke Jones story "is probably a hoax." Wait, it gets better. The original sender is now reporting via email that Kelsey was recently returned by the police after being "taken from the public library yesterday while her preschool class was visiting it." Kelsey's abductor was a "mentally handicapped [man who was] living on his own." This too is a lie -- if it were true, you would have read about it in every newspaper in the world. In short, some bozo thought it would be funny to create a false story about a missing child in "Southern Minnesota." When confronted with the fact that there are no records that the child even exists, let alone is missing, this bozo decided to create a false, happy ending to the Kelsey Brooke Jones story, deceitfully blaming Kelsey's fictitious abduction on an unidentified, "mentally handicapped" man. I can't think of a sicker urban legend. The moral of today's story? YOU CAN'T GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING, and you certainly can't get something for simply forwarding an email to all of your friends -- even the return of a missing child. If you really want to help someone locate a missing child, point your Web browser to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children's Web site at http://www.missingkids.org/ . ******************************************************** www.tourbus.com TOURBUS archives -- November 1999 week 3 (#2) On a more serious (and strange) note, in my 22 October 1999 post about Kelsey Brooke Jones, the 5 year old child reportedly missing from "Southern Minnesota," I expressed my doubts that Miss Jones even exists. I was mistaken. Kelsey Brooke Jones does indeed exist, and she was missing for approximately two hours on October 11th. According to the Charlotte News and Observer (NANDO), An officer went to the apartment where Kelsey lived. He recorded the information for a missing child report. But before filing a report, he canvassed the neighborhood, checking in with friends of the 5-year-old. The officer found her around 9 p.m. at a friend's house watching television ... Before Kelsey was found, her mother had hastily crafted an e- mail, including a photo attachment, and sent it to people she knew, asking them to pass it on to at least five more people. [A link to this entire article can be found at http://urbanlegends.about.com -- I'd post the URL, but it is over 100 characters long, and our bus is only 70 characters wide.] Now for the confusing part. As Barbara Mikkelson astutely observes, no one knows what prompted the mother to send out an updating email on 14 October 1999 saying that after a DAY of being missing, Kelsey had been rescued by the police from a mentally handicapped man who had abducted her from a public library that her preschool class had been visiting. Clearly, this is not true. [You can read all of Barbara Mikkelson's article on the Kelsey Brooke Jones hoax at http://www.snopes.com/spoons/faxlore/kelsey.htm ]. Anyway, I was incorrect when I expressed my doubts about Kelsey Brooke Jones' existence. While she is certainly not missing, she does exist. I apologize. *************************************************************** >> > > -------------Original Message-------------------- >> > > Subject: Missing Child please read view and forward >> > > >> > > I hope I have covered enough East Coast, Midwest, and West Coast people >> >to >> > > spreadout the search for this little girl. It only takes 2 seconds to >> > > "forward" this on. If it were your child, you would want all the help >> >you >> > > could get. Please. I am asking you all, begging you to please forward >> >this >> > > email to anyone and everyone. As most all of you know, I have a 5 year >> >old >> > > daughter named Kelsey Brooke Jones. We are from Southern Minnesota. She >> >has >> > > been missing since 4pm Oct.11, 1999. The police were notified shortly >> > > after. If anyone anywhere knows anything, sees anything, pleeeeaaaase >> > > contact me if you have my number. The police don't recommend I put my >> > > number online, but you can contact the Police. A missing persons report >> > > has been filed. I am including a picture of her. All prayers are >> > > appreciated!! >> > > >> > > Thank you, Amy >> > > >> > > See attachment for photo. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 22 09:44:15 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web306.mail.yahoo.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05685 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:44:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991122144409.17046.rocketmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.19.179] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 06:44:09 PST Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 06:44:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Fw: Missing Child, -- Found To: Danny Thompson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry for the non-moto content, but wanted to let people know the girl is fine, she was only missing for a few hours or so (she was at a friend's house watching tv, based on the newspaper story, url at end). See below info. From: http://urbanlegends.about.com/culture/urbanlegends/library/blmiss3.htm Guide's note: This alert first appeared on Oct. 12, 1999 with a photo of a blonde female child attached. Some recipients were immediately skeptical due to the lack of specific information, such as the exact location of the incident and a contact number for the local police who would have been handling the case. Searches of Minnesota newspapers failed to turn up any stories about a missing child named Kelsey Brooke Jones. Police and missing persons databases showed no record of her disappearance and the alert was initially labeled a hoax. However, it now appears that Kelsey Brooke Jones does exist and went missing for approximately two hours on the day the email alert was issued. She was recovered unharmed, according to a statement from Missing Children Minnesota: Thanks for checking with us about Kelsey Brooke Jones. The staff at Missing Children Minnesota has carefully and diligently researched and investigated this case only to discover that Kelsey was indeed missing - FOR LESS THAN TWO HOURS! When the family noticed her missing they put out the e-mail you received. What they did NOT do is send another message that Kelsey had been FOUND! We are asking that folks not continue to forward the e-mail, and to notify their friends, family members, and e-mail buddies that there is NO CAUSE FOR ALARM. Thank your for your concern -- and for your caring. On behalf of the children, Taylor Wilcox, Case Manager Missing Children Minnesota The above information was confirmed by the Minnesota Crime Alert Network. Whether the alert was a hoax or real, it now serves no useful purpose. If you receive the "Kelsey Brooke Jones" email, please do not forward it further. Note from Louis: http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/culture/urbanlegends/library/blhoax.htm is a great place to look to see if an e-mail message is a hoax, or as in this case, outdated. For more info (newspaper article) see: http://www.techserver.com/noframes/story/0%2C2294%2C500058262%2D500096003%2D500374483%2D0%2C00.html (sorry if the URL doesn't fit in one line) [message to find Kelsey deleted] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 22 10:59:40 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06954 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA29578; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:05:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01cf01bf3502$de1ccf60$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , , Subject: So much for good intentions. Was: Missing Child Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:01:37 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 It has been brought to my attention that this was a big hoax. The child was found 2 hours later. Live and learn. So much for trying to help out by using the power of the internet. Sorry about the MIME and the bandwidth wasted. MC content: I put the Woodcraft clip-ons on my SV, Wow what a difference! I understand now a little better about what a sport-bike should feel like and why the front end is unacceptable in stock form. I guess I'll have to get some emulators. Race tech gold valves? Danny '99 VFR '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 22 11:30:12 1999 Return-Path: rosenc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07520 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [208.58.213.177] (208-58-213-177.s558.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com [208.58.213.177]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05366 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:29:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911221629.LAA05366@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:27:19 -0500 Subject: Re:MI From: "Charles L. Rosen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Go to the CNN home page, follow links to Mission Impossible trailer. Cool stoppie sliding across an intersection. Guess the movie is gonna feature some wild bike stunts. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 22 12:41:44 1999 Return-Path: mikestew@XXXXXX Received: from mail5.microsoft.com (mail5.microsoft.com [131.107.3.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08839 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from 157.54.9.108 by mail5.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:32:48 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: by INET-IMC-05 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:32:47 -0800 Message-ID: <53C1BD5F0C42D2118FC700805F9F2EAC0BB7F4C1@CLT-MSG-02> From: Mike Stewart To: "'Danny Thompson'" , vfr@XXXXXX, sv650@XXXXXX, HAWKGT-L@XXXXXX, ex500@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Missing Child, Please Take A Minute NmcC Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:32:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) -----Original Message----- From: Danny Thompson [mailto:dthompso1@XXXXXX] >Sorry for the NmcC, but this might be an example of the power of the net. > > > -------------Original Message-------------------- > > > Subject: Missing Child please read view and forward And for you dumbasses who not only forward every hoax you can get your hands on, but include a binary file to boot: http://www.snopes.com/spoons/faxlore/kelsey.htm This took me a total of three seconds to come up with, via an AltaVista search. One would do well to do the same next time. Mike Stewart '99 VFR800 Interceptor '87 Kawi Concours '85 Honda V65 Magna "FrankenMagna" From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 22 13:12:04 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09500 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:12:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:11:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199911221311.AA206373274@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re:MI X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Charles L. Rosen" >Go to the CNN home page, follow links to Mission Impossible trailer. Cool >stoppie sliding across an intersection. Guess the movie is gonna feature >some wild bike stunts. I just got Gary Rothwell's Showtime video (www.whitehorsepress.com). WOW! Wheelies with him sitting on the handlebars, stoppies at high speed, feet-up donuts by spinning the rear tire, a new world record for getting off the bike and sliding on his feet behind the bike (143 mph), 3-person wheelies. This guy is highly skilled and absolutely nuts. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 22 13:35:58 1999 Return-Path: fj1100@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09983 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FLM007DZ3N014@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:35:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:35:24 -0500 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: MI In-reply-to: <199911221311.AA206373274@piglet.toward.com> To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <008801bf3518$56c806e0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) I have this video. My wife and kids can't figure out why I like it. I've watched it at least 20 times. They will never get it I guess :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 1:12 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re:MI > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Charles L. Rosen" > > >Go to the CNN home page, follow links to Mission Impossible > trailer. Cool > >stoppie sliding across an intersection. Guess the movie is gonna feature > >some wild bike stunts. > > I just got Gary Rothwell's Showtime video (www.whitehorsepress.com). > > WOW! > > Wheelies with him sitting on the handlebars, stoppies at high > speed, feet-up donuts by spinning the rear tire, a new world > record for getting off the bike and sliding on his feet behind > the bike (143 mph), 3-person wheelies. This guy is highly > skilled and absolutely nuts. > > Chris Norloff > From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 22 14:19:14 1999 Return-Path: nelson@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10683 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pti.com (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id OAA20113; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:20:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <383994A9.65D6D17B@pti.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:08:25 -0500 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Shapleigh , Darren Roots , DC-Cycles Mailing List , Jeanine Burchard , Jennifer Pylant , Jerry Burchard , Mary Templeton , Randy Brown , Rob Arthur , Sandor Urban , Scott Arenholz , Tim Shelton , Tony Ruiz Subject: Usefull Law Degree Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got this and had to pass it along ........ USEFUL LAW DEGREE A quick narrative. I always wanted a hopped up muscle car when I was younger. I couldn't afford one. Now I can, and I have one. It's a '70 Mustang, and her name is Bessie. Bessie is the proto-typical juvenile, male-caveman, scratch yourself and drink cheap beer car. Chromed engine, dual exhaust, 250 horsepower, big tires. I'm driving Bessie on Beach Boulevard behind an ancient guy in a beat up truck. He decides to turn in front of me without a blinker. I accelerate to swerve and avoid him, and this crazy, over aerobicized woman jumps in front of my car with her hand up. Meet Ethel, the neighborhood busybody/nuisance. She proceeds to yell in my window, "Hey, slow down you idiot." I'm a well-bred, mellow guy by nature, so I ignore this. As I drive away, she yells, "Jerk" at me again. Twice? I turn around and drive up next to her. "Do you have a problem?" I ask. "Yeah, why are you driving like an idiot?" "I was driving like an idiot? How, exactly?" "You were speeding. I watched you." "You were? I see. How did you measure my speed?" (Ever the interrogator) "I heard you." "So, you measured my speed by ear?" (Ed. note: The Doppler Effect could be applicable here) "I can hear." "How fast did you HEAR me going?" "Look," she says, "I don't have to take this. Here comes a cop. I'll wave him down." THE POLICE? This woman is a trip. She waves him down, and proceeds to tell him that she observed me speeding. "What happened?" he asks. I told him the story, and told him that I accelerated to an indicated 33 mph (the speed limit is 35) to avoid a collision. "Are those mufflers legal?" Ethel asks. She's pushing it. I reply, "I have a C.A.R.B. exemption for them." I give the paperwork to the cop. She tries to find another thing to screw me with. She says, "What about those big tires? They CAN'T be legal." I began feeling little overheated gears in the back of my head start to turn. "These tires were available on the 1970 Boss 429," I told the cop, "Which makes them street legal as a replacement." Ethel gets angry. She whines, "So you're not going to give out any tickets to this jerk?" The cop says, "No, I am not." I've about had it. So I say, "Sir, this woman told you that she left the street at the corner, and then she met up with my car here. According to Title 39, pedestrians have to cross the street at a right angle. This woman admitted she crossed at a 45-degree angle, which is a ticketable offense." "What?" The cop looks confused. "Also, she told you that she walked in front of my car to stop me. A citizen can't detain someone without probable cause, under Terry v. Ohio (My new favorite case). Since she couldn't measure my speed, she had no probable cause to detain me. That is an indictable offense." The cop says, "But, I didn't see any of this." "But," I said, "I did, and, as an officer of the Court, I can demand her arrest. I'll agree to dismiss the Illegal Detention charge, but I want her cited for not crossing at a right angle and Hazardous Conduct on a Public Street." The cop called his Lieutenant, and after the cop told the story, he authorized the summonses. She went home with $215.00 worth of traffic tickets, and they are worth a total of four points against her license, as well as the appropriate insurance surcharge! Of course, if she demands a trial I won't prosecute. But the look on her face as she walked away was more than enough satisfaction for me. Yeah, I've got a law degree, and I'm not afraid to use it. -- Nelson Fernandez Network Administrator Production Technology, Inc. 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 Arlington, VA 22202 Phone 703.271.9055 Fax 703.271.9059 www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 22 17:04:04 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13632 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA29077 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:03:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA19178 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25259 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:03:37 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991122170258.00d434b0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:03:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Watch your speed in VA this week.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From Reuters.... More Police Out This Week - (STATEWIDE) -- State Police say they will beef up patrols this week because of the Thanksgiving holiday week rush. This is traditionally the busiest driving holiday of the entire year. Officials say last year 13 people were killed over Thanksgiving on Virginia roads. This year police promise very strict enforcement of traffic laws in hopes of keeping deaths down. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 22 22:34:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19606 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA00421 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA06259 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-134.patriot.net [209.249.180.134]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA19376; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:34:23 -0500 Message-ID: <383A096B.8DD1A3CD@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:26:35 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Watch your speed in VA this week.... References: <4.2.0.58.19991122170258.00d434b0@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The law is also supposed to be busting ass over lack of seat belts and child seats. I reckon we're exempt from that deal. Bill Troutman wrote: > From Reuters.... > > More Police Out This Week - (STATEWIDE) -- State Police say they will beef > up patrols this week because of the Thanksgiving holiday week rush. This is > traditionally the busiest driving holiday of the entire year. Officials say > last year 13 people were killed over Thanksgiving on Virginia roads. This > year police promise very strict enforcement of traffic laws in hopes of > keeping deaths down. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 23 00:09:57 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web307.mail.yahoo.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA21335 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:09:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991123050954.3318.rocketmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:09:54 PST Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:09:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Mission Impossible 2 trailer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Man, I searched all over the recommended CNN site, then proceeded on to every search engine and movie trailer website I could find, and I couldn't find this dang trailer anywhere!!! anyone have a direct link?? or even direct to my cfagan@XXXXXX account (size limits on this one.. but the dsl speed makes big files no prob) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 23 01:10:24 1999 Return-Path: sdmeyer1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA22260 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 01:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net (adsl-151-200-18-208.bellatlantic.net [151.200.18.208]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA05381; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 01:08:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <383A2FD1.743C5770@bellatlantic.net> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 01:16:44 -0500 From: Steve Meyer Reply-To: sdmeyer1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mission Impossible 2 trailer References: <19991123050954.3318.rocketmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.apple.com/quicktime/trailers/paramount/mission_impossible_2/ "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > Man, I searched all over the recommended CNN site, then proceeded on to > every search engine and movie trailer website I could find, and I > couldn't find this dang trailer anywhere!!! anyone have a direct link?? > or even direct to my cfagan@XXXXXX account (size limits on > this one.. but the dsl speed makes big files no prob) > > Collin > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 23 08:45:38 1999 Return-Path: ssmith@XXXXXX Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01002 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:45:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:46:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Missing Child, Please Take A Minute NmcC Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:46:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for dumping a huge load of irrelevant shit into my digest. I appreciate the fact that you've had a revelation, but consider the fact that your experience might be uniquely personal before inflicting it on my mailbox. I knew you'd understand - with sufficient hindsight. > From: "Danny Thompson" > To: , , , > , > Subject: Fw: Missing Child, Please Take A Minute NmcC > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:01:57 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01BF34C8.3B074920 > > > ------=_NextPart_001_00C6_01BF34C8.3B074920 > > Sorry for the NmcC, but this might be an example of the power of the = > net. > > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV > heavily snipped > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 23 09:13:08 1999 Return-Path: altaanc@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f155.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01431 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 71767 invoked by uid 0); 23 Nov 1999 14:12:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19991123141230.71766.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.58.214.190 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 06:12:30 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.58.214.190] From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 96 Yamaha FZR 600 For Sale Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 06:12:30 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed 1996 Yamaha FZR600 for Sale. 96 FZR 600 purchased brand new in March 1997. 8500 miles. Full D&D exhaust system, K&N Freeflow airfilter, Size 14 front sprocket,Dynojet stage 1 Jetkit, YZF600 mirrors, new rear Metzeler MeZ1 and front Bridgestone BT56SS tires. Bike has never been raced or has been in a crash. Asking $3900 or best offer. If you want to see a picture go to www.erols.com/altaanc ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 23 10:11:59 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02405 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:11:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: '70 Honda 750's Cheap? Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:11:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain What was the baddest, fastest, motorsickle of the early 70's? The Honda 750. One of our building guards (a DC policeman -- not a rent-a-cop) has a 1970 and a 1973 Honda 750, plus several engines in his basement that he really wants to get rid of. He repeated the word "cheap" several times. Dunno what "cheap" means to him but as an aside, he has a big Shadow and he's looking for something smaller for around town for courier duty. He's not connected to the internet - but I'll pass along phone numbers from any interested folk. Carl in Bethesda "Time is fun when you are having flies." --- Kermit the Frog From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 23 11:47:43 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04118 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:47:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991123164739.13501.rocketmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:47:39 PST Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:47:39 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: On Any Sunday . . . To: DCCycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii . . is on Speedvision at 9PM tonight. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 23 14:55:17 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk-e.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.118.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07792 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:55:13 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip250.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip250.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.250]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA18279; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:54:34 -0800 (PST) To: Nelson Fernandez Cc: Brian Shapleigh , Darren Roots , DC-Cycles Mailing List , Jeanine Burchard , Jennifer Pylant , Jerry Burchard , Mary Templeton , Randy Brown , Rob Arthur , Sandor Urban , Scott Arenholz , Tim Shelton , Tony Ruiz Subject: Re: Usefull Law Degree Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:57:26 GMT Message-ID: <383d1bb0.109867538@mail.earthlink.net> References: <383994A9.65D6D17B@pti.com> In-Reply-To: <383994A9.65D6D17B@pti.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah it is pretty funny. Not sure I believe it though : ) But I suppose the odds are something like this has to happen somewhere. Daniel On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:08:25 -0500, you wrote: |>Got this and had to pass it along |>........ |>USEFUL LAW DEGREE |>A quick narrative. I always wanted a hopped up |>muscle car when I was |>younger. I couldn't afford one. Now I can, and I |>have one. It's a '70 |>Mustang, and her name is Bessie. Bessie is the |>proto-typical juvenile, |>male-caveman, scratch yourself and drink cheap |>beer car. Chromed engine, |>dual exhaust, 250 horsepower, big tires. |>I'm driving Bessie on Beach Boulevard behind an |>ancient guy in a beat up |>truck. He decides to turn in front of me without a |>blinker. I accelerate |>to swerve and avoid him, and this crazy, over |>aerobicized woman jumps in |>front of my car with her hand up. Meet Ethel, the |>neighborhood |>busybody/nuisance. She proceeds to yell in my |>window, "Hey, slow down you |>idiot." |>I'm a well-bred, mellow guy by nature, so I ignore |>this. As I drive away, |>she yells, "Jerk" at me again. Twice? |>I turn around and drive up next to her. "Do you |>have a problem?" I ask. |>"Yeah, why are you driving like an idiot?" |>"I was driving like an idiot? How, exactly?" |>"You were speeding. I watched you." |>"You were? I see. How did you measure my speed?" |>(Ever the interrogator) |>"I heard you." |>"So, you measured my speed by ear?" (Ed. note: The |>Doppler Effect could be applicable here) |>"I can hear." |>"How fast did you HEAR me going?" |>"Look," she says, "I don't have to take this. Here |>comes a cop. I'll wave him down." |>THE POLICE? This woman is a trip. She waves him |>down, and proceeds to tell him that she observed |>me speeding. |>"What happened?" he asks. I told him the story, |>and told him that I accelerated to an indicated 33 |>mph (the speed limit is 35) to avoid a collision. |>"Are those mufflers legal?" Ethel asks. |>She's pushing it. I reply, "I have a C.A.R.B. |>exemption for them." I give the paperwork to the |>cop. |>She tries to find another thing to screw me with. |>She says, "What about those big tires? They CAN'T |>be legal." |>I began feeling little overheated gears in the |>back of my head start to turn. "These tires were |>available on the 1970 Boss 429," I told the cop, |>"Which makes them street legal as a replacement." |>Ethel gets angry. She whines, "So you're not going |>to give out any tickets to this jerk?" |>The cop says, "No, I am not." |>I've about had it. So I say, "Sir, this woman told |>you that she left the street at the corner, and |>then she met up with my car here. According to |>Title 39, pedestrians have to cross the street at |>a right angle. This woman admitted she crossed at |>a 45-degree angle, which is a ticketable offense." |> |>"What?" The cop looks confused. |>"Also, she told you that she walked in front of my |>car to stop me. A citizen can't detain someone |>without probable cause, under Terry v. Ohio (My |>new favorite case). Since she couldn't measure my |>speed, she had no probable cause to detain me. |>That is an indictable offense." |>The cop says, "But, I didn't see any of this." |>"But," I said, "I did, and, as an officer of the |>Court, I can demand her arrest. I'll agree to |>dismiss the Illegal Detention charge, but I want |>her cited for not crossing at a right angle and |>Hazardous Conduct on a Public Street." |>The cop called his Lieutenant, and after the cop |>told the story, he authorized the summonses. She |>went home with $215.00 worth of traffic tickets, |>and they are worth a total of four points against |>her license, as well as the appropriate insurance |>surcharge! Of course, if she demands a trial I |>won't prosecute. But the look on her face as she |>walked away was more than enough satisfaction for |>me. |>Yeah, I've got a law degree, and I'm not afraid to |>use it. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 23 15:03:21 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from webmail1.olg.com (root@XXXXXX [206.161.118.50]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07963 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:03:19 -0500 (EST) From: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail1.olg.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id PAA08779; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:02:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:02:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199911232002.PAA08779@webmail1.olg.com> To: "Custer, Carl" Reply-To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: "'DCCy'" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 2.0.10 Sender: ghowell@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: 207.226.128.209 Subject: Re: '70 Honda 750's Cheap? Quoting "Custer, Carl" : > What was the baddest, fastest, motorsickle of the early 70's? > The Honda 750. Real men rode MachIII's. And later Z1's. Oh, you want to steer and stop? Jeez, picky, picky, picky. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 23 15:20:03 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08231 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id MAA05346 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:19:51 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:19:51 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: RE: '70 Honda 750's Cheap? Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:19:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Real men rode MachIII's. And later Z1's. >Oh, you want to steer and stop? Jeez, picky, picky, picky. Mach IIIs steered - they just did it sort of randomly. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 23 16:42:28 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09653 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:42:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:18:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199911231618.AA128516400@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "'DCCy'" , "Jordan, Michael" Subject: RE: '70 Honda 750's Cheap? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jordan, Michael" Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:19:48 -0800 >Mach IIIs steered - they just did it sort of randomly. Hard to steer when you can't keep the front wheel on the ground, eh? :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 23 20:32:34 1999 Return-Path: rosenc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13489 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-58-212-135.s389.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.212.135]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 11qRHj-0007V1-00; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:31:55 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:26:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Mission Impossible 2 trailer From: "Charles L. Rosen" To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Mea Culpa. I screwed up. It was on the excite home page as part of an apple promo about quicktime. Sorry for the bad advice. -charles ---------- >From: "Collin T. Fagan" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Mission Impossible 2 trailer >Date: Tue, Nov 23, 1999, 12:09 AM > > Man, I searched all over the recommended CNN site, then proceeded on to > every search engine and movie trailer website I could find, and I > couldn't find this dang trailer anywhere!!! anyone have a direct link?? > or even direct to my cfagan@XXXXXX account (size limits on > this one.. but the dsl speed makes big files no prob) > > Collin > > > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 23 22:16:51 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15514 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-109-13.s13.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.13] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 11qSup-0001Qi-00; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:16:19 -0500 Message-ID: <002301bf362a$36a9fea0$0d6daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , "Mike Troutman" , "Chris Weaver" Subject: Thanksgiving Sale! Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:15:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hey Mike and Chris, thought this might interest you or others on the list. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: Harbor Freight To: Preferred Customer Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 6:00 PM Subject: Thanksgiving Sale! > Dear Danny: > > Beat the Holiday rush...shop from the comfort & convenience > of your home. Harbor Freight Tools Thanksgiving Sale is the > place to find over 350 quality tools and accessories reduced > up to 80%. But hurry, prices expire November 29, 1999. > 1/2" Torque Wrench - Half Price Special! Now $9.99! > Reversible. 18" long. Includes carrying case. 239-3VGA > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/t/h.taf?acct=2001036 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 24 07:00:03 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA24821 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id GAA29194 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:59:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from njb140bh1.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id GAA20249; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by njb140bh1.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:59:30 -0500 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE027F311D@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: RE: '70 Honda 750's Cheap? Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:59:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Carl wrote... >What was the baddest, fastest, motorsickle of the early 70's? >The Honda 750. My first bike was a '73 CB350F. It had all the handling vices of the typical (so I've heard)Japanese offerings of the time, but none of the power that's supposed to come with a really evil handling machine. If you dared to let off the throttle in a turn, that *&$%# would stand straight up and head for the curb. ...But I loved it. :) Have a good holiday, everybody! Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 24 12:58:20 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [208.36.117.170]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01255 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:58:18 -0500 (EST) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA17349 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:02:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199911241802.NAA17349@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:58:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Non-moto Radar Detectors... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sorry for the non-moto content, but since the list is a little slow, I thought I might pass this one on to supplement the radar detector thread.... Have a nice Thanksgiving... Anyone planning any Friday rides to work off some of their turkey? -John 88 FZR 400 sorry if this is a repeat for anyone. > >> >Item in Berwickshire Gazette - November 11th 1998 >> > >> >A report has revealed that two traffic patrol officers >> >from North Berwick were involved in an unusual >> >incident whilst checking for speeding motorists on the >> >A1 road between Oldhamstocks and Grantshouse. >> > >> >Last May, they were using a hand-held radar device to >> >trap unwary motorists on the Edinburgh to London trunk >> >road. One of the unnamed officers used the device to >> >check the speed of an approaching vehicle, and was >> >surprised to find that his target had registered a >> >speed in excess of 300 miles per hour. >> > >> >The detector then seized up and could not be >> >reset by the bemused PC's. The radar had in fact >> >latched on to a NATO Tornado aircraft in the North >> >Sea, which was taking part in a simulated low-flying >> >exercise over the Borders and Southern Scotland. >> > >> >Following a complaint by Sir William Sutherland, Chief >> >Constable of the Lothian & Borders Police force to the >> >RAF liaison office, it was revealed that the officers >> >had a lucky escape - the tactical computer on board >> >the aircraft not only detected and jammed the >> >"hostile" radar equipment, but had automatically armed a >> >Maverick air-to-ground missile ready to neutralise the >> >perceived threat. Luckily the Dutch pilot was alerted >> >to the missile status and was able to override the >> >automatic protection system before the missile >> >launched. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 24 13:25:39 1999 Return-Path: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01858 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:25:38 -0500 (EST) From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Received: from EmergeOut@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 2.0.1f1b1635 (4068) for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:24:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.1f1b1635.256d8778@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:24:56 EST Subject: Happy Thanksgiving To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Happy Thanksgiving to all!! I hope you all have a good Thanksgiving. If any one is going on a holiday ride please be safe. Brian Banks From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 24 13:49:53 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02329 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:49:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41714) with ESMTP id <0FLP005IUTFVEX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:45:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA29838 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:43:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.209]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19991124184455.CVDF847@toddnt> for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:44:55 -0600 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:42:30 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Non-moto Radar Detectors... In-reply-to: <199911241802.NAA17349@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001701bf36ab$a9d0e390$d1b024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Radar locking missiles. Now that would be a nice accessory! > -----Original Message----- > From: jnewman@XXXXXX [mailto:jnewman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 12:59 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Non-moto Radar Detectors... > > > Sorry for the non-moto content, but since the list is a > little slow, I thought I might pass this one on to > supplement the radar detector thread.... > > Have a nice Thanksgiving... Anyone planning any Friday > rides to work off some of their turkey? > > -John > 88 FZR 400 > > sorry if this is a repeat for anyone. > > > >> >Item in Berwickshire Gazette - November 11th 1998 > >> > > >> >A report has revealed that two traffic patrol officers > >> >from North Berwick were involved in an unusual > >> >incident whilst checking for speeding motorists on the > >> >A1 road between Oldhamstocks and Grantshouse. > >> > > >> >Last May, they were using a hand-held radar device to > >> >trap unwary motorists on the Edinburgh to London trunk > >> >road. One of the unnamed officers used the device to > >> >check the speed of an approaching vehicle, and was > >> >surprised to find that his target had registered a > >> >speed in excess of 300 miles per hour. > >> > > >> >The detector then seized up and could not be > >> >reset by the bemused PC's. The radar had in fact > >> >latched on to a NATO Tornado aircraft in the North > >> >Sea, which was taking part in a simulated low-flying > >> >exercise over the Borders and Southern Scotland. > >> > > >> >Following a complaint by Sir William Sutherland, Chief > >> >Constable of the Lothian & Borders Police force to the > >> >RAF liaison office, it was revealed that the officers > >> >had a lucky escape - the tactical computer on board > >> >the aircraft not only detected and jammed the > >> >"hostile" radar equipment, but had automatically armed a > >> >Maverick air-to-ground missile ready to neutralise the > >> >perceived threat. Luckily the Dutch pilot was alerted > >> >to the missile status and was able to override the > >> >automatic protection system before the missile > >> >launched. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 24 14:50:23 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03376 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:50:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:27:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199911241427.AA53215880@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Todd Peer Subject: RE: Non-moto Radar Detectors... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Todd Peer Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:42:30 -0500 >Radar locking missiles. Now that would be a nice accessory! > Only if they came with a manual targeting & launch capability, as well. I heartily agree the radar-lock auto respond feature is a nice touch, but I occasionally also find myself in situations with "civilians" (a disproportionate number of whom inexplicably drive Volvos and SUVs) needing a bit of correction, so to speak. Horkster (only slightly joking here) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 25 04:53:04 1999 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mailrelay1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA17723 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 04:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 32294 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1999 09:53:13 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 1999 09:53:13 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA09555; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 04:53:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 04:53:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199911250953.EAA09555@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:Non-moto Radar Detectors... Sorry folks,sounds like an urban legend. I've heard a similar story involving an American cop sitting off an AF base and locking onto a B-52 and having his radar gun smoked by the ECM. I'd say this is bogus for three reasons: 1)I doubt cop radar has the range to bullseye the plane. If the pilots are on maneuvers,they'll have to be above a min altitude for safety,and they'd have to be a descent distance from shore so no sonic booms would do any damage to civilian property. 2)The pilot wouldn't have activated the ECM so near a populated area. It would've fried lots of electronic devices that the govt/military would have to replace. 3)No system that would've allowed a live missile to launch would've been turned on,much less allowed to acquire a lock. They wouldn't have even been carrying live munitions of any kind if they were doing maneuvers. When I was in England,our pilots couldn't even take off with live missiles. Now if you want some real stories,ask me in person. Is the winter party still on at Tom/Jeanette's? The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 25 16:59:49 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from web112.yahoomail.com (web112.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.82]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA28335 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 16:59:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991125215921.304.rocketmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.163.197.68] by web112.yahoomail.com; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:59:21 PST Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:59:21 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Post Turkey Day rides? To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Any rides planned for Friday or Sat/Sunday? Herb '94 Magna Arl, Va __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 25 21:16:36 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web307.mail.yahoo.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02313 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:16:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991126021633.22341.rocketmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.164.132.169] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:16:33 PST Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:16:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Saturday ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Guess who's in town!! :) For all those interested, I plan on doing a little country jaunt this Saturday... temperature dependent of course... if it's really cold, probably only anbout a 90 mile route... if it's decent, then probably 150-200 miles... The pace will be sedate since I haven't been riding a lot in Michigan and my skills are pretty much rusty... I'll post more later, but how about starting from the BK in sterling around 9:30 or so... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 25 21:16:59 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02323 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:16:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991126021656.2833.rocketmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.164.132.169] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:16:56 PST Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:16:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Saturday ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Guess who's in town!! :) For all those interested, I plan on doing a little country jaunt this Saturday... temperature dependent of course... if it's really cold, probably only anbout a 90 mile route... if it's decent, then probably 150-200 miles... The pace will be sedate since I haven't been riding a lot in Michigan and my skills are pretty much rusty... I'll post more later, but how about starting from the BK in sterling around 9:30 or so... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 25 21:24:42 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA02402 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:24:41 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id r.0.dc9a5f49 (4185); Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:24:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.dc9a5f49.256f4942@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:24:02 EST Subject: Re: Saturday ride To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 In a message dated 11/25/99 9:23:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: << I'll post more later, but how about starting from the BK in sterling around 9:30 or so... >> How about reminding me where the BK is. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 26 08:25:08 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA13615 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 08:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id FAA21418 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 26 Nov 1999 05:24:57 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 26 Nov 1999 05:24:57 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Saturday ride Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 05:24:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >The pace will be sedate< Lessee now... sedate+Collin=? hmmm..... OK, got it! That means we only grind the hero tabs and not the mufflers, right?? Welcome back Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 26 08:36:11 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA13843 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 08:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id FAA23895 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 26 Nov 1999 05:36:06 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 26 Nov 1999 05:36:06 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sterling BK location Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 05:36:04 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For all of the non-locals.. BK in Sterling is on Route 7. If coming out Rt 7 from Tyson's area, it's on the bottom of the hill on the right next to the Parc City Center. Counting the light at the Fairfax/Loudoun County line (Dranesville Road), you will pass through 6 traffic lights. If coming up Rt 28, bear right onto Rt 7 East, go to second traffic light, do a U turn, and the BK is on your right. For those with the technology, N39deg 2.207 min, W77deg 24.797min Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 26 14:00:14 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA20428 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-214.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.214]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA06273 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:00:04 -0500 Message-ID: <002601bf3840$627413a0$d6a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Frigid digit preventions Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF3816.641384E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF3816.641384E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Listfolks,=20 For the December chill prevention routine, thought I'd share a few = solutions that have come my way over the last couple of years -- perhaps = aiding some aspiring year-rounder to bite the bullet this year. =20 =20 o Ran across at an MC show very light, waterproof nylon mitten-style = hand covers with an elasticized good-sized gauntlet area that have = proven invaluable. Keep off water, wind, cold, down to the 30's and = very handy to tuck away in some niche for at-speed use. =20 =20 o I do not want my knees/legs/ankles to get chilled after workouts, = etc. Picked up a pair of dancers' leg warmers that are easy-on/off and = work like a charm. Can massage them on over or under pants (then all = covered by my 'Stitch). A deluxe (heavy duty) model for $30 came from = Artistic Dance Fashions, Bethesda 301 652 2323. =20 =20 o Have found that *heavy* clear vinyl shower curtain material, rigged = with small brass, clamps, etc. hardware, tastefully plugs pneumonia = holes at highway speed (like between headlight and windshield). =20 =20 o Ordered from Dennis Kirk today (have looked for a source for some = time after seeing them mentioned here in the past) those Snow Paws -- = large padded mittens that fit over handlebars with room for gloved hands = over brake/clutch handles. $20. Will post if there are problems. =20 =20 Not quite ready for electrics, but when the (Centigrade-degree x = mileage) factor sinks low enough -- =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Carbs gulp better in frosty weather Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF3816.641384E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 Listfolks,
 
For the December chill prevention = routine, thought=20 I'd share a few solutions that have come my way over the last couple of = years --=20 perhaps aiding some aspiring year-rounder to bite the bullet this = year. =20
 
o  Ran across at an MC show very = light,=20 waterproof nylon mitten-style hand covers with an elasticized good-sized = gauntlet area that have proven invaluable.  Keep off water, wind, = cold,=20 down to the 30's and very handy to tuck away in some niche for at-speed=20 use. 
 
o  I do not want my = knees/legs/ankles to get=20 chilled after workouts, etc.  Picked up a pair of dancers' leg = warmers that=20 are easy-on/off and work like a charm.  Can massage them on over or = under=20 pants (then all covered by my 'Stitch).  A deluxe (heavy duty) = model for=20 $30 came from Artistic Dance Fashions, Bethesda 301 652 2323. =20
 
o  Have found that *heavy* clear = vinyl shower=20 curtain material, rigged with small brass, clamps, etc. hardware, = tastefully=20 plugs pneumonia holes at highway speed (like between headlight and=20 windshield). 
 
o  Ordered from Dennis Kirk today = (have looked=20 for a source for some time after seeing them mentioned here in the past) = those=20 Snow Paws -- large padded mittens that fit over handlebars with room for = gloved=20 hands over brake/clutch handles.  $20.  Will post if there are = problems. 
 
Not quite ready for = electrics, but=20 when the (Centigrade-degree x mileage) factor sinks low enough = --
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 --> Carbs=20 gulp better in frosty weather
Join the AMA.  Help protect my = riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF3816.641384E0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 26 14:35:26 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21015 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA19780 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:35:22 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:35:22 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Dc Cycles Subject: RE: Frigid digit preventions Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:35:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Have found that *heavy* clear vinyl shower curtain material, rigged with small brass, clamps, >etc. hardware, tastefully plugs pneumonia holes at highway speed (like between headlight >and windshield). Windshield? You got a Winndshield? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 26 14:43:07 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21130 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:43:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-35.patriot.net [209.249.180.35]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA21582; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:43:01 -0500 Message-ID: <383EE0E9.95777F92@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:35:05 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobacc CC: Dc Cycles Subject: Re: Frigid digit preventions References: <002601bf3840$627413a0$d6a4fccd@newmicronpc> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------65CEB2F9B213EF4E4C4D43FF" --------------65CEB2F9B213EF4E4C4D43FF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gauntlet gloves have been around for ages. A snowmobile outfit is way cheaper than *stitch* and mine was good to 20/80 (20 deg/80MPH) . I haven't tried leg warmers, but I've been wearing nice cozy pantyhose ever since my woman found a pair stuffed in my saddlebags. Bill mobacc wrote: > Hello Listfolks, For the December chill prevention routine, thought > I'd share a few solutions that have come my way over the last couple > of years -- perhaps aiding some aspiring year-rounder to bite the > bullet this year. o Ran across at an MC show very light, waterproof > nylon mitten-style hand covers with an elasticized good-sized gauntlet > area that have proven invaluable. Keep off water, wind, cold, down to > the 30's and very handy to tuck away in some niche for at-speed > use. o I do not want my knees/legs/ankles to get chilled after > workouts, etc. Picked up a pair of dancers' leg warmers that are > easy-on/off and work like a charm. Can massage them on over or under > pants (then all covered by my 'Stitch). A deluxe (heavy duty) model > for $30 came from Artistic Dance Fashions, Bethesda 301 652 2323. o > Have found that *heavy* clear vinyl shower curtain material, rigged > with small brass, clamps, etc. hardware, tastefully plugs pneumonia > holes at highway speed (like between headlight and windshield). o > Ordered from Dennis Kirk today (have looked for a source for some time > after seeing them mentioned here in the past) those Snow Paws -- large > padded mittens that fit over handlebars with room for gloved hands > over brake/clutch handles. $20. Will post if there are problems. Not > quite ready for electrics, but when the (Centigrade-degree x mileage) > factor sinks low enough -- Bill S. / DC > 99 VN750 --> Carbs gulp better in frosty weather > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. --------------65CEB2F9B213EF4E4C4D43FF Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gauntlet gloves have been around for ages.  A snowmobile outfit is way cheaper than *stitch* and mine was good to 20/80 (20 deg/80MPH) .

I haven't tried leg warmers, but I've been wearing nice cozy pantyhose ever since my woman found a pair stuffed in my saddlebags.

Bill

mobacc wrote:

 Hello Listfolks, For the December chill prevention routine, thought I'd share a few solutions that have come my way over the last couple of years -- perhaps aiding some aspiring year-rounder to bite the bullet this year. o  Ran across at an MC show very light, waterproof nylon mitten-style hand covers with an elasticized good-sized gauntlet area that have proven invaluable.  Keep off water, wind, cold, down to the 30's and very handy to tuck away in some niche for at-speed use. o  I do not want my knees/legs/ankles to get chilled after workouts, etc.  Picked up a pair of dancers' leg warmers that are easy-on/off and work like a charm.  Can massage them on over or under pants (then all covered by my 'Stitch).  A deluxe (heavy duty) model for $30 came from Artistic Dance Fashions, Bethesda 301 652 2323. o  Have found that *heavy* clear vinyl shower curtain material, rigged with small brass, clamps, etc. hardware, tastefully plugs pneumonia holes at highway speed (like between headlight and windshield). o  Ordered from Dennis Kirk today (have looked for a source for some time after seeing them mentioned here in the past) those Snow Paws -- large padded mittens that fit over handlebars with room for gloved hands over brake/clutch handles.  $20.  Will post if there are problems. Not quite ready for electrics, but when the (Centigrade-degree x mileage) factor sinks low enough -- Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Carbs gulp better in frosty weather
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.
--------------65CEB2F9B213EF4E4C4D43FF-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 26 17:37:38 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web308.mail.yahoo.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA23753 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:37:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991126223734.13265.rocketmail@web308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.164.131.83] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:37:34 PST Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:37:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: [DC-Area] NOVA Ride tomorrow To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: announce-ride@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is a follow up to my brief message on DC-Cycles yesterday. I plan on leading a nice ride through the backroads of Northern Virgiia tomorrow. The plan is to meet at at the Burger King, just off of route 7 in Sterling VA (directions below), leaving sometime around 9:45 or so (factor in Collin Time, and we're probably looking at 10 AM, but plan for 9:45). If the temps are decent plan on around 150 miles give or take some depending on where we want to go, or if it's on the chilly side, I have a nice little 90 mile route that seems to have been very popular in the past. Expect a moderate to sedate pace considering road conditions are less of a known constant this time of year (and grad school has kept me off the bike as of late..). If a faster group is desired, I'm sure we can accomodate two groups as we so often have in the past. IF IT IS ACTIVELY RAINING TOMORROW MORNING, I WILL NOT SHOW UP!!! I race in the rain when there are series points on the line, but I don't find any pleasure in rain riding....if it's just greyish, then Imost likely will show up if nothing more than to BS and enjoy a coke with those at the BK...and we can discuss weather then.. The BK is very easy to get to. From the beltway, you want to take Route 7 (Leesburgh Pike) west. About 13 miles west, you will see NOVA community college on the right, continue on about another 3/4 mile and you will see the BK right out by the road on the right hand side. If you pass under 28, you have just passed it. You can also take the toll road out to 28, north to rte 7 and east 1/2 mile to the BK.... there are a few other side routes to get up that direction, but you're on your own if you want to do that... I will check email again late this evening if anyone has questions, etc. Hope to see a lot of folks out tehre... Collin gixer_racer@XXXXXX ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 27 02:17:57 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA02564 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 02:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-40.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.40]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA24074 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 02:17:50 -0500 Message-ID: <002101bf38a7$749551e0$28a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Frigid digit preventions Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 02:15:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01BF387D.49960860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BF387D.49960860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill Huson wrote: >Gauntlet gloves have been around for ages. A snowmobile outfit is way = cheaper than >*stitch* and mine was good to 20/80 (20 deg/80MPH) .=20 Hmmm. Not sure gauntlet gloves were what I ordered. I hope I have = coming those cozy big padded hand inserts that look like they could = floor Iron Mike. Used on snowmobiles, etc. Yep, snowmobile outfits = are warm -- I have a red Husky which I've worn alone and over my = 'Stitch. Switched to 'Stitch for year-round all purpose crash and = element protection. =20 >I haven't tried leg warmers, but I've been wearing nice cozy pantyhose = ever since my >woman found a pair stuffed in my saddlebags. =20 Bicycle pants are as close as I've come to pantyhose -- wear them a lot = in colder situations -- whatever gets the job done . . .. The leg = warmers' great plus for me is the lack of necessary depantsing in the = ride-to-inside and v.v. transitions. =20 Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> I start de heby breeding around 85 and de pantsing about = 110. =20 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BF387D.49960860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill Huson = wrote:
 
>Gauntlet gloves have been around for ages.  A snowmobile = outfit is=20 way cheaper than >*stitch* and mine was good to 20/80 (20 deg/80MPH) = .
 
Hmmm.  Not sure gauntlet gloves were what I ordered.  I = hope I=20 have coming those cozy big padded hand inserts that look like they could = floor=20 Iron Mike.  Used on snowmobiles, etc.   Yep, snowmobile = outfits=20 are warm -- I have a red Husky which I've worn alone and over my = 'Stitch. =20 Switched to 'Stitch for year-round all purpose crash and element=20 protection. =20

>I haven't tried leg warmers, but I've been wearing nice cozy = pantyhose=20 ever since my >woman found a pair stuffed in my saddlebags. =20

Bicycle pants are as close as I've come to pantyhose -- wear them a = lot in=20 colder situations -- whatever gets the job done . . ..  The leg = warmers'=20 great plus for me is the lack of necessary depantsing in the = ride-to-inside and=20 v.v. transitions. 

Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 =20 -->  I start de heby breeding around 85 and de pantsing about = 110. =20
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.

 

------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BF387D.49960860-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 27 08:39:52 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web305.mail.yahoo.com (web305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA10767 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 08:39:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991127133948.13032.rocketmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.164.134.122] by web305.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 05:39:48 PST Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 05:39:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: running a bit late To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As the subject says.. I am going to be a tad bit late this morning. I have to stop by the dreaded CP down here in woodbridge as soon as they open in hopes of getting another brake lever... If they don't have one (crossing fingers) I'll still turn up, but probably won't be out on the ride :( :( Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 27 12:15:49 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14552 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-22.patriot.net [209.249.180.22]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA14396; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:15:43 -0500 Message-ID: <38400FE1.ECC0C22E@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:07:45 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: running a bit late - running a LOT late ... References: <19991127133948.13032.rocketmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't do pack rides, but I figured on zooming out to BK and meeting a few of the listers while refueling my caffiene system. Soooo, I have the scoot fight prepped and ready to roll. But then ... but THEN! I hear footsteps behind me. *She* has decided to go grocery shopping, and *I* have been drafted to watch the kid and the puppy dog. Drats. So I go inside and introduce kid to joy of dragging puppy around on a blanket, which works way cool on the spacious hardwood floor. Hey, 8 year olds are easy to entertain, and the puppy thinks blanket racing is kick-ass. Footsteps approach the door. "OH MY GOD! You were supposed to be watching her!" Well ... uh .. I was. "LOOKIT THIS MESS!" Well ... uh .. the floor is real shiny. Hope y`all had a great ride. I know puppy did :-) Bill Collin T. Fagan wrote: > As the subject says.. I am going to be a tad bit late this morning. I > have to stop by the dreaded CP down here in woodbridge as soon as they > open in hopes of getting another brake lever... > If they don't have one (crossing fingers) I'll still turn up, but > probably won't be out on the ride :( :( > Collin > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 27 15:37:49 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17547 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:37:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-190.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.190]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04834 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:37:45 -0500 Message-ID: <00c801bf3917$328d1100$28a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: RE: Frigid digit preventions Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:37:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Jordan, Michael wrote: >>Have found that *heavy* clear vinyl shower curtain material, rigged with small brass, clamps, >>etc. hardware, tastefully plugs pneumonia holes at highway speed (like between headlight >>and windshield). >Windshield? >You got a Winndshield? I do, and normally for 6 mos. mounted high and see-through. Er, except for a few hours last night when trusty Internet Doppler failed me and I got caught in the remnants of the front that went through yesterday. A soggy story that put me in the Exxon on Lee Hiway near Nutley St. for 3 hours (journey unfulfilled) until I finally moved the shield from full attention to strap on the rear for the ride back to DC (the price one pays for mega windkill). And I'd begun to put Doppler right up there near the likes of Michael Vick. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Not a swimmer yet Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 27 15:38:23 1999 Return-Path: rsnbrock@XXXXXX Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17557 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-113-53.s53.tnt5.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.113.53] helo=rsnbrock) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 11robO-0001Ik-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:37:50 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991127153538.0069b2e4@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: rsnbrock@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:35:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Eduard Rosenbrock Subject: Saturday ride and introduction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey DC cycles guys, Let me start by introducing myself (I should done it before the ride): My name is Eduardo Rosenbrock. I am 41 and live in Alexandria, Va. I am from Uruguay (South America) and work in Georgetown, DC. since November 1995. I want to tell you that I really enjoyed the ride today: nice day, nice ride, nice people and very friendly. So I hope to hear from you soon for another ride as long as winter is still warm! Thank you all Eduardo CBR1000F White, black and red From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 27 16:16:07 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18142 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:16:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-22.patriot.net [209.249.180.22]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA27129; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:16:02 -0500 Message-ID: <38404833.A6E5D5E9@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:08:03 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobacc CC: Dc Cycles Subject: Re: Frigid digit preventions References: <00c801bf3917$328d1100$28a4fccd@newmicronpc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is exactly why my windscreen is ultra-low. So the rain and bugs splat my helmet - better than squinting thru a fuzzy windscreen. The lo-lexi keeps the wind off my body, which is a plus when not riding all scrunched up over the fuel tank. Bill > I do, and normally for 6 mos. mounted high and see-through. Er, except for > a few hours last night when trusty Internet Doppler failed me and I got > caught in the remnants of the front that went through yesterday. A soggy > story that put me in the Exxon on Lee Hiway near Nutley St. for 3 hours > (journey unfulfilled) until I finally moved the shield from full attention > to strap on the rear for the ride back to DC (the price one pays for mega > windkill). And I'd begun to put Doppler right up there near the likes of > Michael Vick. > > Bill S. / DC > 99 VN750 --> Not a swimmer yet > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 27 20:16:13 1999 Return-Path: biga@XXXXXX Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01022 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from norc (dyn60.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net [207.199.168.125]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id UAA23198 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:16:04 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <4.2.2.19991127200249.00cc7100@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:16:03 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Saturday ride and introduction In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19991127153538.0069b2e4@pop.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I enjoyed the ride and meeting new folks too. Thanks Collin and thanks=20 Craig for bringing up the rear. I hope you didn't get too frustrated=20 hanging back with the slow pokes (namely me). Our speeds seemed awfully=20 fast (and Collin was talking about 150 mph turns at lunch!). Fun. Andrew =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4= =F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA= =B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8 J. Andrew Culpepper KD4KLS '90 EX500 '84 GPz550 King George, VA Phone/Fax (540) 775-3984 From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 27 20:17:10 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01025 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-106-107.s107.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.107] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 11rsx7-0006Ub-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:16:34 -0500 Message-ID: <029b01bf393e$3de5f720$6b6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Sunday ride Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:16:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Anyone up for a ride tomorrow? Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 28 10:08:22 1999 Return-Path: dthomps1@XXXXXX Received: from mailout1.nyroc.rr.com (mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.146]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14147 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from t1d4o4 ([24.93.21.37]) by mailout1.nyroc.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with SMTP id com; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:06:15 -0500 Message-ID: <017501bf39b2$0ca70ea0$25155d18@t1d4o4.rochester.rr.com> From: "David M2 Thompson" To: Cc: "Hugh Caldwell" , Subject: Dec 4 & 5 Ride-Washington DC? Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:05:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I've been watching the 7 day weather forecast & it looks like no rain, mid-50s in the capital district. My wife is doll shopping in Gaithersburg (Montgomery County Fairgrounds), so I plan to trailer the VFR down, spend Saturday & Sunday sport touring North & West from Gaithersburg. Is there any lister interested in meeting for the ride? Start Point: Montgomery County Fairgrounds, Saturday Dec 4 ~9:30 AM. (~1 mi from I-270 Exit 11). Saturday Route: Backroads to Catoctin Mtn, South to the Potomac, Then East to Gaithersburg ~250 mi Send an E-note if you're interested. If you have some choice roads, send them too. I generally use deLorme to set up the ride loop and make a route list to follow. David "RoutemeiSTer" Thompson AMA# 504560 STOC# 840 Current STable 90 Suzuki DR350S 91 Honda ST1100 94 Honda VFR From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 28 20:21:06 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA23540 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:21:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:21:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199911282021.AA91030086@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Progressive Ins. monitoring drivers X-Mailer: Follow-That-Car Insurance [The Washington Post] By Albert B. Crenshaw Sunday, November 28, 1999; Page H02 For years, automobile insurance prices have been determined by slicing the = driving public into broad bundles of statistics. Young male? Higher cost. Married? Lower cost. Commute to work? Higher cost.= And so on. Many motorists complain that this system, though it seems to work in the ag= gregate, lumps together drivers whose behavior more than justifies higher p= remiums while also including those who drive more safely. As a result, lowe= r-risk members of a statistical group end up subsidizing higher-risk driver= s in that group. Recently, however, at least one insurer has been experimenting with a syste= m that tracks motorists' driving patterns and tries to price coverage to ma= tch. The system, which has been operating in Houston for about 15 months and is = now being rolled out across the rest of Texas, combines global-positioning = satellite and cellular telephone technology so the carrier, Cleveland-based= Progressive Insurance Co., gets a record of where the car has been, and wh= en. "We use GPS and cellular technology to get actual usage data from the vehic= le, and we're able to provide auto insurance by the mile," said Bob McMilla= n, director of consumer marketing for Progressive. "What happens is, the technology on board the vehicle logs the position of = the vehicle every six minutes. Our central computer calls the car once a mo= nth and the car tells it where it's been," McMillan said, so a driver's pre= mium level is "individualized, based on when and where and how much you dri= ve." While only a relatively small number of drivers have signed up for the prog= ram, dubbed Autograph, many of them are finding their premiums reduced by 2= 5 percent and some are seeing savings of 50 percent to 60 percent, McMillan= said. The program especially benefits drivers with very short commutes or those w= ho have a second or third car that isn't driven much. "Those situations are= turning out to be big winners," he said. Progressive doesn't yet have enough data to tell whether its estimates of l= oss probabilities, and thus its pricing, are correct. McMillan said that th= e company is studying the results and will do further research but that it'= s too early to know where that will head. Others in the industry are watching with interest and applaud Progressive's= efforts. But several said it's not certain that Autograph will outperform = the tried and true method of basing rates on factors such as age and territ= ory as well as mileage. "It remains to be seen whether this is going to be any more accurate than o= ther rating systems," said David F. Snyder, assistant general counsel of th= e American Insurance Association, a trade group of property insurers. But he said Progressive's system is worth a try and he hopes regulators wil= l not stand in the way of it or other such efforts. "It is an example of wh= at ought to go on in a competitive market," he said. The system captures a great deal of information about the driving habits of= the insured driver and his or her family. Robert Hunter, former Texas insurance commissioner and now with the Consume= r Federation of America here, said there are potential benefits but it coul= d raise serious privacy issues. Whether consumers will benefit isn't clear,= he said. "It can be used in a very '1984' sort of way," though it could also work to= eliminate inequities in current pricing, he said. For example, current rating systems treat all commuters alike, whether they= are driving in heavy traffic at rush hour or in light traffic at an odd ti= me or in an unusual direction. Correcting for that would seem fair, Hunter = said. "I'm not trying to be totally negative. It could be positive if it's implem= ented properly," Hunter said. Progressive's equipment captures miles driven, the location of those miles = and the time of day they are driven. It also captures speed, though McMillan said that isn't currently used in s= etting premiums. "We haven't seen a strong correlation between just exceedi= ng the speed limit and chance of loss," he said. The company's research has found that time of day has a strong correlation = to risk, McMillan said. "A mile driven at 8 a.m. is eight to 10 times safer= than a mile driven at midnight, so we vary pricing by time of day," he sai= d. The company also divides the cities into three to five "risk zones" based o= n historical data on accidents and thefts and charges more for miles driven= in high-risk zones. Autograph participants are billed each month for their driving, and receive= a personal profile showing how many miles they drove, broken down by time = of day and risk zone. The bill consists of a fixed premium--which includes = the cost of the on-board equipment, $1 a month for the first car (a special= introductory price) and $15 a month for additional cars--and a usage premi= um. The company likens it to a telephone bill. "Consumers have never had that kind of record of their personal travel and = it's very interesting," McMillan said. "We do see the first signs of behavior change," he added. For example, "one= lady who used to drop her laundry off in afternoon now does it in the morn= ing because there's a small difference in the price per mile." Progressive also offers a variety of optional services made possible by the= on-board equipment. The GPS system, of course, is quite useful if the car is stolen, and "we di= scount theft insurance very deeply," McMillan said. "The big winners are pe= ople with high-end vehicles. The car might be stolen, but we're going to ge= t it back." Motorists can also get low-battery warning, navigation assistance, roadside= assistance, two-way communication with Progressive, a "panic button" for h= elp, and, if the car has power locks, remote door unlocking in case the dri= ver locks the keys in the car. Whether this system spread beyond Texas will depend, of course, on its popu= larity, regulatory acceptance and whether the information it provides turns= out to correlate to losses. And drivers will have to balance the potential savings against the privacy = questions raised by the system's ability to track their movements. Do you w= ant your spouse knowing you were driving in a high-risk zone at 2 a.m., for= example? The company expects high-mileage, high-risk drivers to stay with traditiona= l insurance, but if Autograph allows it to attract a large number of motori= sts who do most of their driving at 8 a.m on Sunday, that'll be just fine. = =A9 1999 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 28 20:56:05 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24008 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:56:04 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 2.0.33364650 (4539); Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:55:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.33364650.2573370e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:55:26 EST Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Right back at ya! A little late though. :-) Hope everyone had a filling holiday. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 11/24/1999 1:31:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, EmergeOut@XXXXXX writes: << Happy Thanksgiving to all!! I hope you all have a good Thanksgiving. If any one is going on a holiday ride please be safe. Brian Banks >> From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 28 20:57:18 1999 Return-Path: peggrinder@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24082 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from anent.com (user86.anent.com [208.195.115.86]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA01807 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:49:18 -0500 Message-ID: <3841DED5.C961EE3A@anent.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:03:02 -0500 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride and introduction References: <4.2.2.19991127200249.00cc7100@biga.pop.crosslink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey Andrew / All It was a nice ride....Not to fast and yet fast enough to make it fun.. Espically since I was on the VF500... no frustration here,,,well maybe a little when we were back on Rt. 690 between Lovettsville and Hillsboro... See you on the next one... Craig 99 900RR 85 VF500f Andrew Culpepper wrote: > Hi all, > I enjoyed the ride and meeting new folks too. Thanks Collin and thanks > Craig for bringing up the rear. I hope you didn't get too frustrated > hanging back with the slow pokes (namely me). Our speeds seemed awfully > fast (and Collin was talking about 150 mph turns at lunch!). Fun. > > Andrew > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ > J. Andrew Culpepper KD4KLS '90 EX500 '84 GPz550 > King George, VA Phone/Fax (540) 775-3984 From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 28 21:22:24 1999 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24463 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:22:10 -0500 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: RE: Progressive Ins. monitoring drivers Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:22:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bf3a10$8c3478c0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-reply-to: <199911282021.AA91030086@piglet.toward.com> Importance: Normal Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] sent: > Follow-That-Car Insurance > [The Washington Post] > > By Albert B. Crenshaw > Sunday, November 28, 1999; Page H02 > snip > > Recently, however, at least one insurer has been experimenting > with a system that tracks motorists' driving patterns and tries > to price coverage to match. > > The system, which has been operating in Houston for about 15 > months and is now being rolled out across the rest of Texas, > combines global-positioning satellite and cellular telephone > technology so the carrier, Cleveland-based Progressive Insurance > Co., gets a record of where the car has been, and when. > Scary, but there was one point that I was surprised to see an insurance company make: > It also captures speed, though McMillan said that isn't currently > used in setting premiums. "We haven't seen a strong correlation > between just exceeding the speed limit and chance of loss," he said. If we could get the entire insurance industry to admit this, just think how wonderful life might be! In The Wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 28 22:45:09 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA26023 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:45:07 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip171.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip171.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.171]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29368 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:44:58 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: spray paint Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:45:20 GMT Message-ID: <38421c10.568784867@mail.earthlink.net> References: <19991009195904.10564.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <19991009195904.10564.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I got tired of looking at my zx6r looking like a parts bike with a white tail, green fender and black fairings. So I went to auto-zone and bought some $2.99 auto spray paint. I know of a guy who bought a (project bike) 900rr in yellow and painted the rear tail with spray paint.. so I figured if he could do it on his bike why couldn't I. Now the fender and tail match the fairings. =20 I found that it easily scratches though. Also I went to spray a scratch today, and when i went to wipe off the excess running down (the can was almost empty and hard to work with) anyway I noticed that when I wiped off the drip line that was running, the paint that was dry from the day before acted like it wasn't dry and smeared off like it was still wet. So can somene give me some tips, are my symptoms due to cheap paint? not using primer? not sanding the fairings first? or should I use a clear coat over top? or wax it , or what? Or maybe i should get a professional clear coat over it? =20 I decided I didn't want to get a professional paint job on it, until I had it for over a year after I make all my "unfamiliar bike" mistakes on it. Besides the fairings aren't exactly perfect to be painting professionally, with the little cracks here and there. I don't want to spend too much since the fairing condition sucks. I could just touch it up whenever it gets a scratch.. but of course if there is a cheap way to make the paint scratch resistent, i'm all ears. You can see before and after shots here: http://208.225.120.187/_ITM/pics/zx6r btw the rear brake problem turns out to be in the master cyclinder.=20 I was riding with this guy they call mouse and he has his own shop, so I asked him to take a look at my brake.. well he hops down, and tries to adjust it, pulls off the lever and evaluates everything, and finds The plunger is bent. I believe he said either the mastercylnder froze? and the plunger bent from trying to apply the brake, or the plunger bent and is catching. So anyone have a zx6r master cyclinder laying around :) How much do they generally cost? He told me it wouldn't be too much, or that he could rebuild it.. figured i'd post about that too :) Thanks to all for the brake help, and any paint knowledge shared :) Daniel may do the mont county ride on dec 4, maybe on the 250 with a friend on his 250, not sure yet. From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 28 23:26:05 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26604 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-58.patriot.net [209.249.180.58]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA23058; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:25:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3841FE79.1541A96B@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:18:01 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: spray paint References: <19991009195904.10564.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> <38421c10.568784867@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paint. The fairings are most likely made of injected plastic or molded fiberglass reenforced resin. Find out what they're made of and what to use to fix the cracks. HINT: Drill a small (like 1/8") hole at the end of the crack to relieve stress and then fix it. I would sand the fairings. #220 is good. Primer is a must. Sand the primer with #320 if using an enamel type paint or #400 if using a laquer base paint. You can even go down to #600 under acrylic laquer. Spray technique: Do NOT sweep the spray can in an arc. Keep the spray parallel to the part. Keep the spray can away at the proper distance, usually 18" or more. Directions on coat thickness will vary, so read the damn can. Acrylic laquer is good to go before you get cleaned up, but anything else requires a longer cure. Park the parts and go watch TV for a couple days just to be safe. The art is knowing when the paint *wets out*. To much = runs. To little = orange peel. If you mess up, sand it off and do it again. Happy Hosing! Bill P.S. Have compressor and an assortmant of spray guns if you want to try that. Colors in stock are limited - got black fer sure. daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I found that it easily scratches though. Also I went to spray a > scratch today, and when i went to wipe off the excess running down > (the can was almost empty and hard to work with) anyway I noticed that > when I wiped off the drip line that was running, the paint that was > dry from the day before acted like it wasn't dry and smeared off like > it was still wet. > > So can somene give me some tips, are my symptoms due to cheap paint? > not using primer? not sanding the fairings first? or should I use a > clear coat over top? or wax it , or what? Or maybe i should get a > professional clear coat over it? From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 29 08:48:00 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07916 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric.ncea.org ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA21260 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:47:51 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:43:21 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF3A45.CA522A00.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Saturday ride and introduction Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:43:20 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks: I would like to also extend my thanks for the Saturday ride. It was my first group ride (obvious I'm sure) and I definitely appreciated the group's patience with my slow riding. I learned a lot about my bike's ability as well as my own. I could tell I had a good time because my wrist is still sore from the clutch handle and unlike Colin, I had a whole one :) I really enjoyed meeting everyone and putting a face with an email tag line. Other than dropping my wedding ring somewhere, I had a great weekend, oh well, better that than the bike... Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 - just got! AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "Practice safe eating -- always use condiments." -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Culpepper [SMTP:biga@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 8:16 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride and introduction Hi all, I enjoyed the ride and meeting new folks too. Thanks Collin and thanks Craig for bringing up the rear. I hope you didn't get too frustrated hanging back with the slow pokes (namely me). Our speeds seemed awfully fast (and Collin was talking about 150 mph turns at lunch!). Fun. Andrew $o?`?o$o,,,,o$o?`?o$o$o?`?o$o,,,,o$o?`?o$o$o?`?o$o,,,,o$o?`?o$o$o?`?o$o,, J. Andrew Culpepper KD4KLS '90 EX500 '84 GPz550 King George, VA Phone/Fax (540) 775-3984 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 29 10:13:31 1999 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09254 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:13:29 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from ip82.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net (ip82.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.82]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA22520 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:13:26 -0800 (PST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dec 4 th ride Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:16:16 GMT Message-ID: <3842c287.19190342@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can someone re-send the dec 4th ride info. I accidently deleted the post. Thanks Daniel replying to my email will be fine. thanks. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 29 10:13:50 1999 Return-Path: jbroga@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09257 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:13:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (sterling-73.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FLY00L6GSXVKC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:13:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:12:05 -0800 From: JEM Broga Subject: Re: spray paint To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001601bf3a95$3e84ec60$492fbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <19991009195904.10564.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> <38421c10.568784867@XXXXXX> X-Priority: 3 I don't know what your budget is like, but it might be cheaper then you think to have it painted professionally. The Crash Test Dummy (I forget his name) from Loudoun Motorsports told me about a guy in Herndon that I used to paint my SV. Its a fairly crappy job compared to factory or true professional, but it beat the spray paint jobs I had done on my EX by a mile. He charged $50 per piece, that was a couple coats and a clearcoat. He sanded it. I know Speedwerks does the whole bike for $250, and probably does a pretty good job too. Its something to think about. Jonathan SV650 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 10:45 PM Subject: spray paint Well I got tired of looking at my zx6r looking like a parts bike with a white tail, green fender and black fairings. So I went to auto-zone and bought some $2.99 auto spray paint. I know of a guy who bought a (project bike) 900rr in yellow and painted the rear tail with spray paint.. so I figured if he could do it on his bike why couldn't I. Now the fender and tail match the fairings. I found that it easily scratches though. Also I went to spray a scratch today, and when i went to wipe off the excess running down (the can was almost empty and hard to work with) anyway I noticed that when I wiped off the drip line that was running, the paint that was dry from the day before acted like it wasn't dry and smeared off like it was still wet. So can somene give me some tips, are my symptoms due to cheap paint? not using primer? not sanding the fairings first? or should I use a clear coat over top? or wax it , or what? Or maybe i should get a professional clear coat over it? I decided I didn't want to get a professional paint job on it, until I had it for over a year after I make all my "unfamiliar bike" mistakes on it. Besides the fairings aren't exactly perfect to be painting professionally, with the little cracks here and there. I don't want to spend too much since the fairing condition sucks. I could just touch it up whenever it gets a scratch.. but of course if there is a cheap way to make the paint scratch resistent, i'm all ears. You can see before and after shots here: http://208.225.120.187/_ITM/pics/zx6r btw the rear brake problem turns out to be in the master cyclinder. I was riding with this guy they call mouse and he has his own shop, so I asked him to take a look at my brake.. well he hops down, and tries to adjust it, pulls off the lever and evaluates everything, and finds The plunger is bent. I believe he said either the mastercylnder froze? and the plunger bent from trying to apply the brake, or the plunger bent and is catching. So anyone have a zx6r master cyclinder laying around :) How much do they generally cost? He told me it wouldn't be too much, or that he could rebuild it.. figured i'd post about that too :) Thanks to all for the brake help, and any paint knowledge shared :) Daniel may do the mont county ride on dec 4, maybe on the 250 with a friend on his 250, not sure yet. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 29 12:24:59 1999 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11239 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:24:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-21.patriot.net [209.249.180.21]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA10083; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:24:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3842B500.7CEDCB8D@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:16:48 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dec 4 th ride References: <3842c287.19190342@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a thought - go into the "trash" file if your email has one. Mine does, and deletes stay in there until I empty the trash bin. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Can someone re-send the dec 4th ride info. I accidently deleted the > post. Thanks > > Daniel > replying to my email will be fine. thanks. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 29 12:50:14 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11761 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhsr149teacher (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA24501 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:48:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00cd01bf3a92$41db71c0$5207a8c0@lhsr149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: racing classes Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:50:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Can anyone help me here... I want to race my SV, but it has a TBR full exhaust system. According to Ch. 9 of the WERA rules book, Production class is stock OEM exhaust only. With my TBR I am not allowed to race Production class. The question is if I change the pipe back, can I race both Production and Superstock? If I keep the TBR on, can I race in the Production races without getting in trouble (as long as I don't finish in top 5) as suggested to me by someone else? And how do I get gridded for this? As for rear shocks, the rule book states that "Rear shocks may be changed or modified but must remain the same type as the original." What the heck does that mean as far as Ohlins, Penske, Fox, or even GSXR 600 / 750 shocks? Thanks for your patient help, Danny '99 VFR '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 29 14:07:54 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13225 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:07:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11sW98-0001IL-00; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:07:34 -0500 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09282; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 29 Nov 1999 14:06:03 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:racing classes Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:17:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Danny, No, you may not run production with an exhaust "if you don't finish in the top 5". They will kick you off the grid, you'll have paid and not get to race. If you go back to a stock exhaust you can run all the classes. Superstock is expert only in WERA. You will be able to run production and superbike. With a pipe, only superbike. CCS rules have Supersport and Superbike, both allowing a pipe. As for the rear shock, what they mean is that if you have double shocks, you must still run double shocks etc. You can run whatever brand of shock you'd like. You can even add a shock with a reservoir to a bike that didn't have one. I don't think you can change the shock linkage in production though. Careful using the 1999 rulebook. I have heard WERA is going to require catchpans on all bikes next year, similar to the endurance rules for 1999. I don't know how they'll deal with machines with no stock bodywork in the production class which specifies "exact replica" bodywork. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 29 14:19:03 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13416 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:19:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19991129191852.27331.rocketmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:18:52 PST Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:18:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re:Racing Classes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Danny, You will be limited to Superbike and the twins class (can't remember if SV is lightweight or heavyweight in that one) if you keep the TBR pipe on. Superstock is an expert only class (based off this years rulebook anyway). With the Stock pipe, you can race production, superbike, and twins, and of course, you can enter middleweight races as well... It's also possible that you could get through tech with the TBR pipe on (assuming you signed up for production) and you might even get away with racing it without anything being said... On the other hand, if you were in a crash and the race management folks were in a pissy mood, they can fine you or possibly yank your license since you shouldn't have been on the track, and should have known better.. that's the extreme of course...but things like that have happened... As for shocks, I know you can go to an aftermarket and still run production...I am not positive on swapping to a GSXR shock though.. that may push you out of production... but I don't think so.. I know they used to allow TL1K S models switch to conventional shocks and remain production...and with the F4's the aftermarket shocks have a longer body to help with the ground clearance.. the best thing to do would be to drop Sean Clark a message at: wera@XXXXXX he would know for sure :) Good luck next season Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 29 15:04:33 1999 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14207 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:04:31 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 2.0.76c23c73 (4328) for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:03:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.76c23c73.2574362c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:03:56 EST Subject: Re: racing classes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Danny, There's actually more to the issue, and you'll want to wait till Dec 1 to make the decision. Sean (WERA) is working on rules changed for 2000, specifically having to do with the SV. Currently, the SV is legal for D-Superbike (lightweight) and has the potential to dominate the class next year due to how the rules are set up (long story, basically the twin rules for D-Super were made for the Honda Hawk, not a 70hp SV). WERA does not have a lightweight production or supersport class, only superbike. Lightweight twins rules would also apply to the SV if you wanted to race that class, and I'm not sure what they allow/disallow. If you want to race in a production class, you're going to go up against Yama R6's and such. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 29 15:37:27 1999 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14736 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:37:18 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id 2.0.591c5fb2 (4328) for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:36:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.591c5fb2.25743ddb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:36:43 EST Subject: Re: Saturday ride and introduction To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 In a message dated 11/29/99 8:55:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: > I could tell I had a good time because my wrist > is still sore from the clutch handle and unlike Colin, I had a whole one Actually, he had a clutch handle... but not a brake handle. ::cringe:: - Brian (Who believes in having an entire set of controls while riding! :) ) From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 29 16:02:28 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15144 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:02:26 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256838.0074F004 ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:17:16 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256838.0074EE40.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:56:24 -0500 Subject: Yellow CBR - Someone on the List? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Just wondering if anyone on the list was buzzing up & down George Mason Drive this weekend during daylight-dusk hours on a bright yellow CBR...looked like someone got themselves a new toy! (?) I'm not sure if it was an F4, F3 or whatever, I'm not that motorcycle-spotting savvy yet, sorry! ; ) - Jeannette http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 29 22:03:18 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA21192 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-106-10.s10.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.10] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 11sdXj-0003a6-00; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:01:28 -0500 Message-ID: <00a301bf3adf$40e794e0$0a6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , Subject: Any opinions on BT 56 SS's? Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:01:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 These are for both the SV and the VFR. Respond off list if you wish. Thanks. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 29 22:39:42 1999 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA21772 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-45.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.237]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22363; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:39:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <384346AD.C8D10387@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:38:21 -0500 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Thompson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any opinions on BT 56 SS's? References: <00a301bf3adf$40e794e0$0a6aaccf@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Danny, I just put a pair of Bridgestone BT56SS's on my '93 GSXR. Haven't had an opportunity to go hard or push them (yet), but so far I love 'em! :^) Previous rubber was brand new Metzler MEZ2s (I know, I know ... more touring than sport) that were on the GSXR when I bought it (used, at the beginning of this year). Compared to the Metzlers, the BT56SS's feel like they want to turn and burn! Front end feels lighter and more precise. Turns in easy/quick. Feels tippy, but not twitchy or unbalanced. Feels stable and sure footed. I did as much research as possible and got lots of feedback online before making my decision. Check out the review on Interactive Motorcycle at http://207.168.125.101/index/features/bt56ss/bt56ss.htm. Also, look up the review at http://www.boldbikes.com/archive.html. Seems like the BT56SS's and the Micheline Pilot Sports are pretty comparable and have raised the bar for a "high performance" sportbike tire for street use in the real world (but good enough for track school/days). FYI, the BT56SS's can be had relatively cheaply (one of the factors in my decision) -- a pair from Chapparal (120/70-17 front and 180/55-17 rear) will set you back ~$167 plus shipping (maybe another $10-$15). Hope this helps! Regards, Chuck Danny Thompson wrote: > > These are for both the SV and the VFR. Respond off list if you wish. Thanks. > > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV > Warrenton, VA -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 30 00:46:51 1999 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24008 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:46:50 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id n.0.8e32d69 (4355); Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:46:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.8e32d69.2574bea6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:46:14 EST Subject: Re: Saturday ride and introduction To: rsnbrock@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Had a great time On Sat as well... with the racing season taking most of my time I didn't have much chance to get out and street ride with DC-cycles. 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Ride Safely and Have a WONDERFUL HOLIDAY SEASON! lbb From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 30 07:48:26 1999 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01769 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:48:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.83] ([192.168.1.83]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA14582 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:44:30 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <384346AD.C8D10387@ix.netcom.com> References: <00a301bf3adf$40e794e0$0a6aaccf@oemcomputer> <384346AD.C8D10387@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:48:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Re: Any opinions on BT 56 SS's? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Cool this morning, eh? Please don't respond off list, as I am interested to hear more, and I assume there are other lurkers out there like me. I would also be interested in reviews of the D205 (the supposedly high performance but longer treadlife one...), since I know I don't want to ride 207's and mount new tires every 1500 miles (a friend got less than 1000 on the street ones (non-GP) before wearing the tread off everywhere but on the center... He rides harder than me). Gonna have to bite the bullet within the next month. Ned 96 F3 > >Danny Thompson wrote: > > > > These are for both the SV and the VFR. Respond off list if you >wish. Thanks. > > > > Danny > > '99 VFR > > '99 SV > > Warrenton, VA > >-- >"Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai >visit us at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 30 08:08:40 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02439 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:08:38 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id IAA13327; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:08:46 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma012812; Tue, 30 Nov 99 08:07:59 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FM000828I09IR@XXXXXX>; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:12:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256839.0047F8EE ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:06:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:06:32 -0500 Subject: Re: racing classes To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256839.00480B98.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Interesting. Is the SV THAT much better a bike than the Hawk that it requires the rules to be changed? And assuming that the factories are all trying to build better/faster bikes stock bikes for competition, why would you level the playing field to lesser bikes by changing the rules? Just curious, --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: 11/29/99 08:03:56 PM GMT Subject: Re: racing classes Danny, There's actually more to the issue, and you'll want to wait till Dec 1 to make the decision. Sean (WERA) is working on rules changed for 2000, specifically having to do with the SV. Currently, the SV is legal for D-Superbike (lightweight) and has the potential to dominate the class next year due to how the rules are set up (long story, basically the twin rules for D-Super were made for the Honda Hawk, not a 70hp SV). WERA does not have a lightweight production or supersport class, only superbike. Lightweight twins rules would also apply to the SV if you wanted to race that class, and I'm not sure what they allow/disallow. If you want to race in a production class, you're going to go up against Yama R6's and such. - Brian ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 30 09:31:29 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04265 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11soJR-0005QR-00; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:31:25 -0500 Received: from curley.ravinc.com (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06206; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by curley.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 30 Nov 1999 09:29:37 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Any opinions on BT 56 SS's? Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:40:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I agree w/Ned. I'd like to hear opinions on BT56's. Particularly mileage, but also performance. Ned, I have always gotten over 4K miles out of D207s. My latest set will probably see around 6K before getting replaced in the spring (although they will probably get pretty sketchy by then). The 207 seemed to have been the best-deal tire for a while, but the 56s seem to be a little cheaper. If performance/lifespan are comparable, I'll go with the 56s. Even though they got a bad rap, I actually liked the BT50s that came on my bike from the factory. I have been wanting to try some of the newer Bridgestones for a while. Jay St. Peter 95 ZX9R with rapidly balding D207s (5K and counting) From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 30 09:51:28 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [208.36.117.170]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04560 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:51:27 -0500 (EST) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA31106; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:55:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199911301455.JAA31106@bmdo.mcri.com> To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:51:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: racing classes CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <85256839.00480B98.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Chris, It hast to do with the "HP inflation" within the lightweight class. I'm also on the FZR 400 list, and in my reasonably unbiased opinion, the SV just puts out too much power. I believe an SV is good for about 70 hp out of the box, where a modified FZR 400 has roughly the same. That seemed to be fine this season, but as more parts come on the market for the SV the HP will only go up. ( There is speculation the SV can be outfitted to pull upwards of 90 hp.) this is causing alot of heartburn with racers in the lightweight classes because it is infact a "lightweight" class. A modified SV is pushing the limits of where the 600 class hp output was a couple of years ago. Therefore, racers in the LW classes need too buy an SV or face the fact that they aren't going to win any races next season. This is difficult for many people to take because it now takes a new bike, plus the mods to become competitive in a class which has always been a place where people can get a feel for racing with a small start-up cost. So, while the SV is a wonderful bike, and had raised the peformance bar, it has also changed the dynamics of what is suppose to be an entry level low cost class, and made it an medium class... That's the problem is I see it. I'm sure you will get a whole different story from the boys who have already bought SVs... -John Newman 88 FZR 400 From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date sent: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:06:32 -0500 Subject: Re: racing classes To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Copies to: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Interesting. Is the SV THAT much better a bike than the Hawk that it > requires the rules to be changed? And assuming that the factories are all > trying to build better/faster bikes stock bikes for competition, why would > you level the playing field to lesser bikes by changing the rules? > > Just curious, > --chris > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Date: 11/29/99 08:03:56 PM GMT > Subject: Re: racing classes > > > > > Danny, > > There's actually more to the issue, and you'll want to wait till Dec 1 to > make the decision. > > Sean (WERA) is working on rules changed for 2000, specifically having to do > with the SV. Currently, the SV is legal for D-Superbike (lightweight) and > has > the potential to dominate the class next year due to how the rules are set > up > (long story, basically the twin rules for D-Super were made for the Honda > Hawk, not a 70hp SV). > > WERA does not have a lightweight production or supersport class, only > superbike. Lightweight twins rules would also apply to the SV if you wanted > to race that class, and I'm not sure what they allow/disallow. > > If you want to race in a production class, you're going to go up against > Yama > R6's and such. > > - Brian > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 30 10:18:00 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04973 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 30 Nov 1999 18:11:29 UT Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:16 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Ned Suesse" , "Dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Any opinions on BT 56 SS's? Message-ID: <19991130101816175-618808e2@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm not the most aggressive rider on the road but I'm more than most and I've gotten over 8k miles out of my D207s running Dunlop's recommended pressure (please don't start that thread again). Best tires I've ever had on the VFR... sure footed 100% of the time and I've had not one scary situation caused by them. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Any opinions on BT 56 SS's? Author: nsuesse@XXXXXX (Ned Suesse) Date: 11/30/1999 7:48 AM Cool this morning, eh? Please don't respond off list, as I am interested to hear more, and I assume there are other lurkers out there like me. I would also be interested in reviews of the D205 (the supposedly high performance but longer treadlife one...), since I know I don't want to ride 207's and mount new tires every 1500 miles (a friend got less than 1000 on the street ones (non-GP) before wearing the tread off everywhere but on the center... He rides harder than me). Gonna have to bite the bullet within the next month. Ned 96 F3 > >Danny Thompson wrote: > > > > These are for both the SV and the VFR. Respond off list if you >wish. Thanks. > > > > Danny > > '99 VFR > > '99 SV > > Warrenton, VA > >-- >"Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai >visit us at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 30 10:34:03 1999 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05289 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.83] ([192.168.1.83]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA15870 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:30:08 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911301455.JAA31106@bmdo.mcri.com> References: <199911301455.JAA31106@bmdo.mcri.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:33:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Re: racing classes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Going out on a limb here, but I would think torque is the real story. The twin would likely not rev as high as a 4, so if it makes similiar power, it must have a lot more torque. And torque is the mother of acceleration (not horsepower, which governs ultimate speed, as I understand it...). Sounds like WSB, doesn't it? Ned >Chris, > >It hast to do with the "HP inflation" within the lightweight >class. I'm also on the FZR 400 list, and in my >reasonably unbiased opinion, the SV just puts out too >much power. I believe an SV is good for about 70 hp out >of the box, where a modified FZR 400 has roughly the >same. That seemed to be fine this season, but as more >parts come on the market for the SV the HP will only go >up. ( There is speculation the SV can be outfitted to pull >upwards of 90 hp.) this is causing alot of heartburn with >racers in the lightweight classes because it is infact a >"lightweight" class. A modified SV is pushing the limits >of where the 600 class hp output was a couple of years >ago. Therefore, racers in the LW classes need too buy >an SV or face the fact that they aren't going to win any >races next season. This is difficult for many people to >take because it now takes a new bike, plus the mods to >become competitive in a class which has always been a >place where people can get a feel for racing with a small >start-up cost. > >So, while the SV is a wonderful bike, and had raised the >peformance bar, it has also changed the dynamics of >what is suppose to be an entry level low cost class, and >made it an medium class... > >That's the problem is I see it. I'm sure you will get a >whole different story from the boys who have already >bought SVs... > >-John Newman > >88 FZR 400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 30 10:35:58 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05369 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 30 Nov 1999 18:29:27 UT Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:32 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: racing classes Message-ID: <19991130103615827-61988246@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm not a motorcycle racer but I've drag raced cars and been around the whole deal for quite a while and can only say that "that's racing." Eventually, folks have to upgrade to bigger and better stuff to be competitive even in the lower ranks. The SV is still a lightweight (if I'm understanding things... a 600cc twin would run in the same class with 400cc inlines and such) and therefore (IMO) should be allowed to run in the appropriate class). A lot of these bikes (FZRs, Hawks) are REALLY old now so maybe it's just time to step up to the plate and upgrade the equipment. Anyway... what do I know? I've never put a wheel on a motorcycle track... probably never will. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: racing classes Author: jnewman@XXXXXX Date: 11/30/1999 9:51 AM Chris, It hast to do with the "HP inflation" within the lightweight class. I'm also on the FZR 400 list, and in my reasonably unbiased opinion, the SV just puts out too much power. I believe an SV is good for about 70 hp out of the box, where a modified