From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 08:26:39 1999 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: CBR wanted Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:26:44 -0500 Organization: NCEA Thinking of upgrading your ride or putting a deposit on the new RC51? If you have a CBR600F2 you need to sell to make room, let me know. After a neighbor's Ford used my parked CBR to decorate their front end, I became rideless. I am looking for an older F2 with clean, stock bodywork. If anyone knows of any good ones for sale, they can email me offlist. I am currently tracking the Post and Cycle Trader online and the best of the bikes got sold while my insurance settlement check languished in the mail, anyone looking for complimentary things about Colonial Insurance from me will have to look elsewhere. CPS is having its usual and customary cranium lodged in rectal structure prices in place on used bikes, so I've had no luck there. I was really hoping to make it to the Fall Ride, but alas insurers and a crappy dealer conspired to keep me bikeless. CPS told me that if I didn't turn over title to the insurance company and took possession of my bike, I'd have to pay $375 in storage fees, in addition to the estimate fee; I didn't know whether to hold my wallet, or my ankles. Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP AMA 663626 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 08:30:05 1999 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:29:14 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Re: dead battery ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Took the seat and side covers off and the battery is totally encased in plastic and wires and relays and all kinds of crap! I can't get to the positive battery terminal nor do I have any idea how to get the blasted thing out so I can replace it :( ... If anyone has any suggestions on how to get to the battery without dismantling the bike or how to get it started another way... ********************** It's too late for your Saturday ride, but this might help anyway. If your Virago is anything like my stepson's '94 Special, I sympathize with you in trying to service the battery - you can't even see parts of it until you remove the passenger seat and the drivers seat. You CAN reach the postive wire coming off the battery, though, where it goes to the starter relay, under the right side plastic cover below the drivers seat. Clip the battery charger positive lead there, and clip the battery charger ground lead anywhere you can get a good ground (a piece of hardware bolted to the frame or engine probably). This way you can charge the battery or jump start the bike. If your bike is not like the one I'm thinking of, just look for a big wire coming off the battery - if it goes to the frame, it's the ground. If it goes to a small device with another big wire attached to it then that's the starter relay and the big wire from the battery is the positive one. If the battery died, though you probably need something else - like adding water to the battery, a new battery, or a checkout of the charging system. Especially with winter coming on. best, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 08:50:08 1999 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 08:45:57 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: dead battery To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal I just recently went through a bunch of head scratching concerning the Virago battery location and extraction. If you haven't already figured it out, you need to remove the cable from the visible terminal (neg?) and then just pull/slide the battery out. Go ahead and tug on it some as it may be pretty well seated in its plastic shroud. You can then remove the other cable (pos?). I believe that is a sealed battery, so it may be time to replaced. In either case, attach a positive lead connecter to it before replacing. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 8:29 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Dawn G.T. Gibson > Subject: Re: dead battery > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" > Took the seat and side covers off and the battery is totally > encased in plastic and wires and relays and all kinds of crap! I > can't get to the positive battery terminal nor do I have any idea > how to get the blasted thing out so I can replace it :( ... > If anyone has any suggestions on how to get to the battery without > dismantling the bike or how to get it started another way... > ********************** > > It's too late for your Saturday ride, but this might help anyway. > If your Virago is anything like my stepson's '94 Special, I > sympathize with you in trying to service the battery - you can't > even see parts of it until you remove the passenger seat and the > drivers seat. > > You CAN reach the postive wire coming off the battery, though, > where it goes to the starter relay, under the right side plastic > cover below the drivers seat. Clip the battery charger positive > lead there, and clip the battery charger ground lead anywhere you > can get a good ground (a piece of hardware bolted to the frame or > engine probably). This way you can charge the battery or jump > start the bike. > > If your bike is not like the one I'm thinking of, just look for a > big wire coming off the battery - if it goes to the frame, it's > the ground. If it goes to a small device with another big wire > attached to it then that's the starter relay and the big wire > from the battery is the positive one. > > If the battery died, though you probably need something else - > like adding water to the battery, a new battery, or a checkout of > the charging system. Especially with winter coming on. > > best, > Chris Norloff > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 09:14:26 1999 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:10:21 -0500 (EST) From: Tansey Reply-To: Tansey To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dead battery On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > I just recently went through a bunch of head scratching concerning the > Virago battery location and extraction. If you haven't already figured it > out, you need to remove the cable from the visible terminal (neg?) and then > just pull/slide the battery out. Go ahead and tug on it some as it may be > pretty well seated in its plastic shroud. You can then remove the other > cable (pos?). I didn't see what size Virago she was referencing. If it's a 750, yeah, it's a HUGE pain in the ass to get to. Have to pull it halfway out, etc. I had to jump my 535 yesterday, and I just take off the passenger and then driver's seat, and both pos and neg are easy to get at. Shannon (who found out yesterday that a 1995 Nissan Maxima makes a fine booster battery to jump a 535 from) From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 09:19:19 1999 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:19:08 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Totaled Bikes Cedric's position begs the question... What do they do with totaled bikes? I am sure insurance companies sell off bikes from time to time. Anyone know where these sales occur, and if they are open to people like me? Seems like the perfect way to pick up a track bike or a parts bike or whatever else. Ned From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 10:10:54 1999 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 08:41:35 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: CBR wanted I'm confused. Your nieghbor squished your ride, so HIS/HER insurance company should be picking up the tab for - bike damage, towing, storage, etc. When the geez took me out, his insurance coughed up more'n $450 for towing & storage, and 7K for bike damage. My insurance co didn't have to pay a dime. Bill Cedric Bernescut wrote: > Thinking of upgrading your ride or putting a deposit on the new RC51? If > you have a CBR600F2 you need to sell to make room, let me know. After a > neighbor's Ford used my parked CBR to decorate their front end, I became > rideless. I am looking for an older F2 with clean, stock bodywork. If > anyone knows of any good ones for sale, they can email me offlist. I am > currently tracking the Post and Cycle Trader online and the best of the > bikes got sold while my insurance settlement check languished in the mail, > anyone looking for complimentary things about Colonial Insurance from me > will have to look elsewhere. CPS is having its usual and customary cranium > lodged in rectal structure prices in place on used bikes, so I've had no > luck there. I was really hoping to make it to the Fall Ride, but alas > insurers and a crappy dealer conspired to keep me bikeless. CPS told me > that if I didn't turn over title to the insurance company and took > possession of my bike, I'd have to pay $375 in storage fees, in addition to > the estimate fee; I didn't know whether to hold my wallet, or my ankles. > Cedric > 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 10:10:44 1999 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Totaled Bikes Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:10:51 -0500 Organization: NCEA Here's the skinny as I understand it. The various insurance companies contract out with salvage yards to sell the bikes. The salvage yard picks up the bikes and takes them to their location. In my case the carrier was so fast, I agreed to total the bike around lunch time and when I went to the dealership that night after work, the bike was gone, along with my Kryptonite lock. Of course, CPS offered to sell me another for $42.99. The salvage yard then packages the bikes into "lots" and auctions them off as a package. Dealers bid on the lots, getting some nice bikes and some turkeys, this way the salvager isn't stuck with the less desirable ones. The place my bike went to is called Insurance Auto Auction in Fredericksburg. Their phone number is 540-373-7800, you could try calling them and seeing if they auction individual bikes. If you buy a black CBR and find a U-lock bolted to them frame, let me know, I'll sell you the key for cheap :) Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Ned Suesse [SMTP:nsuesse@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 9:19 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Totaled Bikes Cedric's position begs the question... What do they do with totaled bikes? I am sure insurance companies sell off bikes from time to time. Anyone know where these sales occur, and if they are open to people like me? Seems like the perfect way to pick up a track bike or a parts bike or whatever else. Ned From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 10:16:01 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: "Craig" Cc: Subject: Re: Fall Fling Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:11:03 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Just when I though I was getting better at wheelies (especially considering how easy they are on my bike), I have to go riding with Craig... I was fourth in line, and got up close witnessing of Craig, the other dude with the black and red RR, and the R1 with no stickers doing wheelies. I only did a couple little ones (off hills). After I saw Craig do a couple I had no desire to try and make myself look silly... REGARDLESS, it was a great ride (especially being up front and getting to carry pretty good cornering speed). Thanks again! Kirt 99 F4 -----Original Message----- From: Craig Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sunday, October 31, 1999 4:38 PM Subject: Re: Fall Fling >Yes, that would be me.... > >Glad you all had a nice time, I certainly did...hehehehe ;~) > >It is definately fun to gather and ride with such a nice group of people, >espically when things go smooth... > >Thanks to all those who attended.... > >Craig >99 900RR >85 VF500f > > >Todd Peer wrote: > >> That would be Craig Johnston, fearless wheely man on his CBR-RR. And he did >> do a great job keeping everyone together, considering the turnout (22 >> bikes?). >> >> Todd >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: RMeyer [mailto:rmeyer@XXXXXX] >> > >> > >> > Thanks to one and all, and especially the trip leader (who's name >> > I forgot, >> > I'm sorry). It was a great first ride with the group, a great ride in >> > general, on great roads, and I enjoyed meeting you all. Maybe after a few >> > more I'll be able to remember more names. Sorry I had to split >> > after lunch, >> > but duty called. >> > >> > Looking forward to many more... >> > >> > ITW, >> > Bob Meyer >> > From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 10:59:45 1999 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 11:01:15 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: my turn It's my turn to start a flame war! I went shooting at the NRA on Saturday. Havn't fired a rifle since summer camp as a kid. Couldn't help notice the similarities between the two activities. Guns and bikes are potentially lethal. The names for guns and bikes involve a fair amount of alphabet soup with some names being easier to remember, like Beretta or Ninja. Both use similar fluids, I noticed some of the lube being used on the guns had bike chains listed as one of the recommended applications on the label. Both sports involved some kind of certification to be able to do it alone, range master or "M" designation on a license. Both take practice! Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 11:05:57 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Rally in PA Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:59:55 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I was invited by Dorothy Hager (from my CBR list) to go on this ride next weekend. Here is the message....she said it was cool for me to invite everyone. :-) >>We will most likely go up to Ephrata (PA) next sunday. There is a bike >rally >>(about 300-400 bikes) there the first sunday of every month. We leave Bel >Air >>about 7:30-8am, get home about 2pm, depending on what route we pick home. >>Course if the weather looks too scary (lots of rain) we'll wimp out. You >>interested in that ride? If you wanna go, contact me, and I'll let Dorothy know. Right now it looks like 4 people so far...All are welcome. Kirt 99 F4 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 11:10:13 1999 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:14:55 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Fall Fling To: Craig Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Nice way to spend a gorgeous fall day. Thanks for putting the ride together, Craig. Sean Sullivan --- Craig wrote: > Yes, that would be me.... > > Glad you all had a nice time, I certainly > did...hehehehe ;~) > > It is definately fun to gather and ride with such a > nice group of people, > espically when things go smooth... > > Thanks to all those who attended.... > > Craig > 99 900RR > 85 VF500f > > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > That would be Craig Johnston, fearless wheely man > on his CBR-RR. And he did > > do a great job keeping everyone together, > considering the turnout (22 > > bikes?). > > > > Todd > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 15:49:02 1999 From: ThunderbirdCafe@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:48:15 EST Subject: unsub To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 16:28:28 1999 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 16:21:20 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Ned Suesse CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Totaled Bikes I would assume bikes travel the same path as totalled cars - sold to a boneyard for salvage value. An older bike can be "totaled" with very little damage, and then the owner can "buy" it back from the insurance co for salvage value. I did that with a car. Totalled at $1500 minus $100 ded minus $300 salvage value - got the car and $1100. Cost me less than $600 to return it to pristine shape. Years ago there use to be a bike boneyard near Clinton MD, but they crushed the weenie bikes and only kept the big ones for parts strippers. Bill. Ned Suesse wrote: > Cedric's position begs the question... What do they do with totaled > bikes? I am sure insurance companies sell off bikes from time to > time. Anyone know where these sales occur, and if they are open to > people like me? > > Seems like the perfect way to pick up a track bike or a parts bike or > whatever else. > > Ned From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 17:49:09 1999 From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'bernescut@XXXXXX'" Subject: take no prisoners (was RE: parts bike) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:51:05 -0500 Since the guy hit and run you, consider letting the insurance company know that you have no interest in being jerked around. Let them feel your pain and suffering. When I was hit from behind at a stop light, I decided that I wanted people jumping through hoops for me--can you say attorney. My HMO at that time was most lax, but I got very aggressive care after I let the medical community know about my attorney. However, if you are healing well and getting good care, and if you feel you are getting fair money for you bike, then you can resolve it much faster on you own. The insurance worms tried to drag it out past 2 years to see if I was dumb enough to miss out on the statute of limitations. In short, take no prisoners, Mike 82 XJ750RJ -----Original Message----- From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 9:15 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: parts bike I am curious to find out if anyone would be interested in buying a 1987 CBR600F as a project/parts bike. It has 20K miles and has been a daily commuter for me for the past year. Recently it was knocked over by a hit and run driver and suffered bodywork damage. The bike is still rideable and has new tires, chain and sprockets. I recently had the fork seals replaced and the bike runs great. The police caught the person who hit it and their insurance company is totaling the bike out (Another successful CPS estimate) Since the insurance company for the miscreant who hit my bike has made two offers based on whether I keep or give up the bike, I'm interested in finding out if anyone is interested in buying the bike or whether I should let them have it. You can email me offlist to save bandwidth. Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up." From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 18:03:55 1999 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: take no prisoners (was RE: parts bike) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:04:03 -0500 Organization: NCEA Since I only suffered property damage it didn't seem worth it to hire an attorney, although I have had to threaten them with it to get their attention. I'm glad your situation worked out. Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jay [SMTP:mjay@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 5:51 PM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'bernescut@XXXXXX' Subject: take no prisoners (was RE: parts bike) Since the guy hit and run you, consider letting the insurance company know that you have no interest in being jerked around. Let them feel your pain and suffering. When I was hit from behind at a stop light, I decided that I wanted people jumping through hoops for me--can you say attorney. My HMO at that time was most lax, but I got very aggressive care after I let the medical community know about my attorney. However, if you are healing well and getting good care, and if you feel you are getting fair money for you bike, then you can resolve it much faster on you own. The insurance worms tried to drag it out past 2 years to see if I was dumb enough to miss out on the statute of limitations. In short, take no prisoners, Mike 82 XJ750RJ -----Original Message----- From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 9:15 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: parts bike From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 1 18:31:26 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: take no prisoners (was RE: parts bike) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 02:33:29 GMT What insurance companies were these? =20 On Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:04:03 -0500, you wrote: |>Since I only suffered property damage it didn't seem worth it to hire = an=20 |>attorney, although I have had to threaten them with it to get their=20 |>attention. I'm glad your situation worked out. |>Cedric |>1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP |>AMA 663626 |>Annandale, VA |>-----Original Message----- |>From: Michael Jay [SMTP:mjay@XXXXXX] |>Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 5:51 PM |>To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'bernescut@XXXXXX' |>Subject: take no prisoners (was RE: parts bike) |> |>Since the guy hit and run you, consider letting the insurance company |>know that you have no interest in being jerked around. |> |>Let them feel your pain and suffering. |> |>When I was hit from behind at a stop light, I decided that I wanted |>people jumping through hoops for me--can you say attorney. |> |>My HMO at that time was most lax, but I got very aggressive care |>after I let the medical community know about my attorney. |> |>However, if you are healing well and getting good care, and if you feel |>you are getting fair money for you bike, then you can resolve it much |>faster on you own. The insurance worms tried to drag it out past 2 = years |>to see if I was dumb enough to miss out on the statute of limitations. |> |>In short, take no prisoners, |>Mike |>82 XJ750RJ |> |> |>-----Original Message----- |>From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] |>Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 9:15 AM |>To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' |>Subject: parts bike |> |> From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 08:22:51 1999 X-Originating-IP: [209.8.171.101] From: "Karl Mueller" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Insurance.. Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 08:22:17 EST Well, it finally happened... I got dropped from USAA after an accident that wasn't my fault. (I also have 3 speeding tickets). At first I was _pissed_ about it, but then I figure, sure, they gotta make money, they're a business, etc. etc. But then I call progressive, they give me a competative quote ($386/6 months on my dad's Toyota and $300/year on my bike, sepearately), so I went with them for just my motorcycle. So I think I'm gonna call up USAA and tell them that they're never gonna get my business again for auto insurance. Any comments? --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 08:40:41 1999 From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 08:38:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Insurance.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Karl, Being that I am a USAA member, I'm interested in hearing more about this. Did you have a clean record (how current were the 3 speeding tix)? Was this your first claim, etc. In the past, I have been very pleased with USAA, but since moving to Baltimore, their rates are not as low as they were in DC (read: big increase), however, I do live downtown. Thanks, --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Karl Mueller Date: 11/02/99 01:22:17 PM GMT Subject: Insurance.. Well, it finally happened... I got dropped from USAA after an accident that wasn't my fault. (I also have 3 speeding tickets). At first I was _pissed_ about it, but then I figure, sure, they gotta make money, they're a business, etc. etc. But then I call progressive, they give me a competative quote ($386/6 months on my dad's Toyota and $300/year on my bike, sepearately), so I went with them for just my motorcycle. So I think I'm gonna call up USAA and tell them that they're never gonna get my business again for auto insurance. Any comments? --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 08:49:07 1999 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 08:38:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Insurance.. At 08:22 AM 11/2/99 EST, you wrote: >Well, it finally happened... I got dropped from USAA I'm suprised they dropped you. I got 3 tickets in a row about five years ago (no accident) and they (USAA) just raised my rates. Of course I've got two cars, three bikes, my house, and some financial stuff with them, so maybe getting ride of me was a little harder. I found that even their "raised" rates were lower than what progressive, gieco & allstate quoted me when I shopped around. I guess its the package deal thing. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 09:24:46 1999 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 09:17:41 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Karl Mueller CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance.. Did USAA have to fork out bucks on the accident? Insurance cos don't care who's fault it is - they kep track of losses. If they pay - you get a check mark on the bad side of the ledger. With 3 speeding tickets you can't really gripe. You're lucky you still have a permit. Bill Karl Mueller wrote: > Well, it finally happened... I got dropped from USAA after an accident that > wasn't my fault. (I also have 3 speeding tickets). At first I was _pissed_ > about it, but then I figure, sure, they gotta make money, they're a > business, etc. etc. But then I call progressive, they give me a competative > quote ($386/6 months on my dad's Toyota and $300/year on my bike, > sepearately), so I went with them for just my motorcycle. So I think I'm > gonna call up USAA and tell them that they're never gonna get my business > again for auto insurance. > > Any comments? > > --Karl Mueller > 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 > 99 Aprilia RS50 > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 09:37:13 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 09:37:06 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Seeking Reston Rider.... A lister was behind me this morning turning from South Lakes on to Sunrise Valley. I know he was on the ride this weekend (blue sport touring bike). I am in my cage today....just wondering if you work nearby? I go on lunchtime rides pretty much every day..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. Echelon: revolution, manifesto, revolt, etc. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 10:48:22 1999 From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:47:28 EST Subject: USAA (was insurance) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 11/2/1999 8:27:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, k_d_mueller@XXXXXX writes: << Well, it finally happened... I got dropped from USAA after an accident that wasn't my fault. (I also have 3 speeding tickets). >> Whoaa...USAA dropped you after an accident that wasn't your fault?!? Last year USAA told me that they only care about liability after an accident and that they don't raise rates/drop people due to an accident that's not their fault. Sounds like those tickets may have been the real issue and they were waiting for an excuse... -matt From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 11:12:27 1999 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:12:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: totalled bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Nope, you have to have a dealer license to attend the auctions... not hard to get one though from what I understand... The guy I bought my race bike from gets a lot of his bikes and parts from the auctions.. some are totalled, some are theft recovery, while others are just police auction or whatever...bottom line is he usually has some pretty decent bikes at pretty good prices (he had a duc 851 for what I considered very reasonable...although he kinda wants to keep it for his own :)). If someone is interested in his name and number, drop me a note and I'll forward it to ya... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 11:46:58 1999 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 11:36:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Insurance theory At 09:18 AM 11/2/99 -0500, you wrote: >Steve, > >They won't cover you for racing, will they? > >--chris There is ~no~ insurance that will address damages to racing equipment during a race. Racing is a classic insurance 101 "assumption of risk" activity. Not sure if this is your question. You can get a policy that will cover it for theft or damage at your house, just not while racing. Also, if you have a liability umbrella policy, it most likely does not address liability arising out of closed course competition. Even some health insurance policies (very few & out dated) deny coverage for injuries resulting from participation amateur racing events. My HMO does not. Ask yours. If they do not cover these injuries, get another policy, or DO NOT RACE. Almost all health insurance policies will deny for "professional" racers. "Professional" racers are the types that only race & do not have a day job. You have to buy a endorsement for this type of coverage as the odds of getting hurt are 100%. More risk, pay more money. (Soapbox mode on, non-directed) This is, of course, the way it should be. Risk taking has lots of pluses & lots of minuses. Proceed at your own peril. Racing cost a lot of money, if I have to pay more for the health insurance to mitigate my potential losses, so be it. If I have to pay more money for my street bike or car insurance because of getting speeding tickets, so be it. Remember, I do not have to get those speeding tickets. You don't want high insurance premiums, don't get tickets, go racing instead to get your speed fix. While it can be argued that it is not fair the increasing the rates of one group of higher loss drivers (speeders) while not increasing the rates of another (say old people), remember that life is not fair. Actuaries that do the statistical number crunching to determine rates are not interested in what is fair, they are interested in what is marketable. Flat rate (one rate for all) policies are not marketable. Speaking as someone who works within the insurance industry I know for a fact the people who review policies for renewal are idiots. They get paid about $7 per hour to crank thru computer screens. Guess what, they make mistakes, lots of them. If you feel you were not at fault for a accident, and they list loss history as a reason for non-renewal, call underwriting & ask about it. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Oh, and the oft stated theory that insurance companies have some agenda to behavior bust risk takers is bullshit. It is all marketing hype. When Gieco buys radar guns for the police to catch speeders it is purely to marketing appeal to the perfered market. On of the ~first~ things you learn in insurance is that there is no such thing as a bad risk, just a bad rate. Now a days just about every insurance company has a non standard (high risk) product, because it is a growing & competitive market. Some companies do not. They are marketing a particular customer segment. If you hop on the old ZXRGSRTLRRZ 10,000 RRRR and wind it up to 160 on the beltway, getting a bunch of tickets, don't be suprised when they ask you to take you business elsewhere when they find out you are not their type of customer. You do not go to McDonalds to buy high quality food with a waiter and it would be stuipd to go to a fine french restraunt & order a cheese burger & fries to go. (soap box mode off, I feel better) Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 11:57:23 1999 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 11:55:13 -0500 From: "Tom Trask" To: , Subject: RE: Fall Fling Content-Disposition: inline I'd too....like to take a moment to thank Craig J. for taking the lead on = organizing the "Fall Fling". He worked diligently on planning the ride = route and ensuring everyone enjoyed themselves. It's not easy to keep a = group that size together especially considering the variety of rides, = riders and roads! Anyone get a head count? From the expressions on = everyone's faces at the last stop (WV overlook), I think it was a success! = Great company, roads and weather! Thanks again to Craig and everyone who = joined us. Tommy T. 98 R1 =20 >>> Todd Peer 10/31/99 10:46AM >>> That would be Craig Johnston, fearless wheely man on his CBR-RR. And he = did do a great job keeping everyone together, considering the turnout (22 bikes?). There's a lot of neat machinery amongst us. No less than 2 Yamaha GTS' showed, a pristine ST4 Duc and various other sportbikes. What was definitely missing from this ride where more cruisers. I think there was one older Magna (Shadow?) and a VMax (though cruiser probably isn't the = best description for it:) Thanks again Craig, Zbig, and Tom T for putting it together and doing the pre-rides. It's not easy, I know. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: RMeyer [mailto:rmeyer@XXXXXX]=20 > Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 8:56 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 > Subject: Fall Fling > > > Thanks to one and all, and especially the trip leader (who's name > I forgot, > I'm sorry). It was a great first ride with the group, a great ride in > general, on great roads, and I enjoyed meeting you all. Maybe after a = few > more I'll be able to remember more names. Sorry I had to split > after lunch, > but duty called. > > Looking forward to many more... > > ITW, > Bob Meyer > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because > it's safer to > pick on rich women than biker gangs. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 12:09:54 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: "Tom Trask" , , Subject: Re: Fall Fling Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:05:39 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I think the total was 22 people. I'm pissed that I didn't stay for the last half of the ride. Damn obligations... :-) Kirt 99 F4 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Trask To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 12:06 PM Subject: RE: Fall Fling I'd too....like to take a moment to thank Craig J. for taking the lead on organizing the "Fall Fling". He worked diligently on planning the ride route and ensuring everyone enjoyed themselves. It's not easy to keep a group that size together especially considering the variety of rides, riders and roads! Anyone get a head count? From the expressions on everyone's faces at the last stop (WV overlook), I think it was a success! Great company, roads and weather! Thanks again to Craig and everyone who joined us. Tommy T. 98 R1 >>> Todd Peer 10/31/99 10:46AM >>> That would be Craig Johnston, fearless wheely man on his CBR-RR. And he did do a great job keeping everyone together, considering the turnout (22 bikes?). There's a lot of neat machinery amongst us. No less than 2 Yamaha GTS' showed, a pristine ST4 Duc and various other sportbikes. What was definitely missing from this ride where more cruisers. I think there was one older Magna (Shadow?) and a VMax (though cruiser probably isn't the best description for it:) Thanks again Craig, Zbig, and Tom T for putting it together and doing the pre-rides. It's not easy, I know. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: RMeyer [mailto:rmeyer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 8:56 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Fall Fling > > > Thanks to one and all, and especially the trip leader (who's name > I forgot, > I'm sorry). It was a great first ride with the group, a great ride in > general, on great roads, and I enjoyed meeting you all. Maybe after a few > more I'll be able to remember more names. Sorry I had to split > after lunch, > but duty called. > > Looking forward to many more... > > ITW, > Bob Meyer > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > ============================================= > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because > it's safer to > pick on rich women than biker gangs. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 13:18:10 1999 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Fall Fling Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:17:35 -0500 Jon Schumer said, "Thanks for leading the nice and relaxing ride. The scenery was great and the 'new to me' roads around Fredneck was excellent. I'll have to try and find some of those beauties again. Would be even better at 'mofo' pace. ;-P" Darn, I missed the ride (too many gotta dews) but: For beauty, Rt. 17 from Brunswick, MD to Catoctin Mt. Park is nice for a rubbernecking pace. (Then turn east on 77 up though the park, left at second intersection, then right. That's 491 headed for Penn Mar- a really nifty view) Side roads over South Mountain (Gapland, Reno Monument, Mt. Tabor) are nice tho, no Deals Gap. North of I 70, between Rt. 15 and the Monocacy are lots of "interesting" roads and there's not much traffic. Three covered bridges; get the Frederick County tourist brochure at a shop or: http://www.backroadingamerica.com/backroading4/interstate4.html Stop at Sam's Club (south side of Frederick, exit 31, across from the Sheetz) pick up a MD Delorme Map for $9.99. Bulkier that the AAA "Nation's Capital & Surroundings" but way misleading. For 'mofo' pace, some claim "new design road" off of Rt. 28 is reasonable for a top end try. Then Trego Mt. Road between South Mountain and the Potomac into Sandy Hook can be fun at a rapid pace, cough, or so I've heard. Carl in Bethesda. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 15:46:55 1999 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:45:59 -0500 Subject: Calling all brake gurus.... Is there anyone on the list that is real knowledgeable on sportbike brake replacement/ cleaning / upgrading? I'm looking to rework my braking system and have some questions. Please reply off list Thanks, -John N 88 FZR 400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 17:39:45 1999 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:45:37 -0500 From: Craig X-Accept-Language: en CC: "'DCCy'" Subject: Re: Fall Fling No Carl you got something confused here. the "MoFo" pace is not set on those long boring straight streches, it is done in the tight, technical, twisties....hehehe...which has nothing to do with top speed.. ;~) not that we are opposed to running it on up in the straights every once in a while.. Craig 99 900RR 85 VF500f http://www.angelfire.com/va/wsdymfg "Custer, Carl" wrote: > For 'mofo' pace, some claim "new design road" off of Rt. 28 is reasonable > for a top end try. > Carl in Bethesda. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 17:54:59 1999 X-Originating-IP: [209.122.212.222] From: "Karl Mueller" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: USAA (was insurance)--long Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:54:24 EST "When a cop asks you if you know how fast you were going when he pulled you over, the incorrect response is 'Of course I do you f**king moron!'" -- a wise teacher of mine >Whoaa...USAA dropped you after an accident that wasn't your fault?!? Last >year USAA told me that they only care about liability after an accident and >that they don't raise rates/drop people due to an accident that's not their >fault. Well, I spoke with the underwriter who made the decision to drop me, and she said that the accidents were part of "a trend" that made me look like a big liability to them. > >Sounds like those tickets may have been the real issue and they were >waiting >for an excuse... Yah, probably, but lemmie qualify my tickets to all you old fogies who think i'm just some damn kid who drives too fast :) Ticket 1: 11pm, coming home from work on the HOV lanes, not another car on the road for miles, state trooper stops me for going 74 in a 55, sounds like a lot, but come on, it's I-95. Ticket 2: 9am, coming up 495 into MD, OK, this one was my fault, I shouldn't have been in the left lane, then the cop on the side of the road wouldn't have been able to point at me.. damn VASCAR. Ticket 3: 3am, Duke street, alexandria. Ok, at 3am, just after getting off of the highway, do YOU do 35 on duke? My point is that I'm really not a bad driver, I just don't have good luck or excuses to give to cops. USAA dropping me for this is just wrong, so since it's not _their_ fault that i'm unlucky, it's not _my_ fault that they'll never get my business again. Thanks for letting me ramble :) --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 19:07:16 1999 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 19:00:13 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Karl Mueller CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: USAA (was insurance)--long Well, okay, but ... Unlucky? If the 3 tickets were within a year or two, than I'd say more like careless. Maybe you need to roll off the throttle a bit. A big HINT: I-95 "...not another car on the road ..." One can easily slide by at 74 or even faster IF they're running with the flow of traffic. If you're the only target out there, you're gonna get busted. Ah, 3 AM on Duke Street. Boy-o-boy, I bet the traffic wuz really thick then. Bill Karl Mueller wrote: > "When a cop asks you if you know how fast you were going when he pulled you > over, the incorrect response is 'Of course I do you f**king moron!'" -- a > wise teacher of mine > > >Whoaa...USAA dropped you after an accident that wasn't your fault?!? Last > >year USAA told me that they only care about liability after an accident and > >that they don't raise rates/drop people due to an accident that's not their > >fault. > > Well, I spoke with the underwriter who made the decision to drop me, and she > said that the accidents were part of "a trend" that made me look like a big > liability to them. > > > > >Sounds like those tickets may have been the real issue and they were > >waiting > >for an excuse... > > Yah, probably, but lemmie qualify my tickets to all you old fogies who think > i'm just some damn kid who drives too fast :) > > Ticket 1: 11pm, coming home from work on the HOV lanes, not another car on > the road for miles, state trooper stops me for going 74 in a 55, sounds like > a lot, but come on, it's I-95. > > Ticket 2: 9am, coming up 495 into MD, OK, this one was my fault, I shouldn't > have been in the left lane, then the cop on the side of the road wouldn't > have been able to point at me.. damn VASCAR. > > Ticket 3: 3am, Duke street, alexandria. Ok, at 3am, just after getting off > of the highway, do YOU do 35 on duke? > > My point is that I'm really not a bad driver, I just don't have good luck or > excuses to give to cops. USAA dropping me for this is just wrong, so since > it's not _their_ fault that i'm unlucky, it's not _my_ fault that they'll > never get my business again. > > Thanks for letting me ramble :) > > --Karl Mueller > 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 > 99 Aprilia RS50 > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 19:41:25 1999 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 19:34:23 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Need a bike ? I have one in my carport. The Boss sez it has to go. The owner sez he wants to sell it. 1981 Honda CB750F (not sure about the F) Super Sport. 38K. SuperTrapp 4-1 pipes. Rear tire looks fresh, front is okay. The bike runs and sounded good to me. Comes with a new clutch rebuild kit not installed. Owner sez $500. Location Annandale VA near Bradock and Backlick. Contact me off-list or give me a jingle at --- (703) 256-3115 eve (703) 624-9648 cell w/voicemail Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 20:16:23 1999 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:16:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: insurance... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Carl, What reason did they give for dropping you? the tickets?? I don't think they *can* drop you for an accident that isn't caused by you....same as they aren't supposed to raise your rates for comprehensive claims.... oh well... all insurance companies suck.. just some worse than others... Collin (who agrees with Todd that insurance is government backed extortion!! hehe) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 21:34:24 1999 X-Originating-IP: [208.58.192.60] From: "Karl Mueller" To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: USAA (was insurance)--long Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 21:33:47 EST Bill, Thanks for your comments, but just for argument's sake: >Well, okay, but ... Unlucky? If the 3 tickets were within a year or two, >than >I'd say more like careless. Maybe you need to roll off the throttle a bit. > Over the last 3 years, 2 in 97 (5 months or so apart) and 1 in 99. Oddly enough, the first 2 were in a ford festiva, and the last was in a geo metro, go figure. >A big HINT: I-95 "...not another car on the road ..." One can easily slide >by at >74 or even faster IF they're running with the flow of traffic. If you're >the >only target out there, you're gonna get busted. My point is that since there were no cars out there, what good do restrictive speed limits do? How does "going with the flow of traffic" make speeding ok? >Ah, 3 AM on Duke Street. >Boy-o-boy, I bet the traffic wuz really thick then. > --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 21:41:12 1999 From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Car problem - Non-moto Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:41:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 My car is acting like my electrically challenged bike. Tonight, the battery light came on when I left the grocery store. It went off when I kept the revs over 4k (redlines at 7k). So, is my alternator toast or what? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (64K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle 89 Ford SHO 120K miles http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 21:43:35 1999 X-Originating-IP: [208.58.192.60] From: "Karl Mueller" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance... Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 21:42:59 EST Collin, I tend to agree with you about not being able to hold the accidents against me. I talked with the underwriter who made the decision, she mentioned that it's part of "a trend" that makes me a high risk to insure. I gave her quite an earfull about this. In the end, I gave up, they're a business, they don't care about little people, no longer my problem. Unfortunately, it turns out that USAA only insures a household as a whole, so they won't allow me to have another company as an insurer. Now _this_ sounds fishy to me. Unfortunately my father is too honest to just tell them that I moved out, so tomorrow I'll give USAA another earfull. >Carl, >What reason did they give for dropping you? the tickets?? I don't think >they *can* drop you for an accident that isn't caused by you....same as >they aren't supposed to raise your rates for comprehensive claims.... >oh well... all insurance companies suck.. just some worse than >others... > >Collin >(who agrees with Todd that insurance is government backed extortion!! >hehe) --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 22:09:06 1999 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:02:02 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Karl Mueller CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: USAA (was insurance)--long Okay. I believe points last for 5 years or so, and insurance companys seem to favor a five year history. With 3 tickets you're pushing the limit. A barren road has no bearing on the law. It just makes tagging the lone speeder easier. Going with the flow is a no call. When traffic is heavy the law looks for the oddball - the dude with mirrored sunglasses who's weaving lanes and blowing by the pack-o-speeders at warp three. Speeding with the flow of speeders isn't legally OK, it's just logistically OK. One cop can't arrest or even stop a hundred cars. He/she will pick out the leader of the mess and tag them. Bill Karl Mueller wrote: > Bill, > > Thanks for your comments, but just for argument's sake: > > >Well, okay, but ... Unlucky? If the 3 tickets were within a year or two, > >than > >I'd say more like careless. Maybe you need to roll off the throttle a bit. > > > > Over the last 3 years, 2 in 97 (5 months or so apart) and 1 in 99. Oddly > enough, the first 2 were in a ford festiva, and the last was in a geo metro, > go figure. > > >A big HINT: I-95 "...not another car on the road ..." One can easily slide > >by at > >74 or even faster IF they're running with the flow of traffic. If you're > >the > >only target out there, you're gonna get busted. > > My point is that since there were no cars out there, what good do > restrictive speed limits do? How does "going with the flow of traffic" make > speeding ok? > > >Ah, 3 AM on Duke Street. > >Boy-o-boy, I bet the traffic wuz really thick then. > > > > --Karl Mueller > 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 > 99 Aprilia RS50 > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 22:13:59 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:13:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Weather Glad I didn't ride in today. Reston saw a flurry of pine needles after the gusty winds. Most cars in my parking lot looked like sheep. Needles were like ice for the cage ride home. Tomorrow's forecast: Wednesday...partly cloudy...windy and much cooler...with a few sprinkles. Temperatures steady...or slowly falling through the 40s. Gusty west winds 20 to 30 mph. It is the last line that will have me driving instead of riding tomorrow.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 22:18:10 1999 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:11:05 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Karl Mueller CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance... More strange insurance co policys. When my kid turned 16 I oned a Z-28 Camaro. I was paying like $600/yr. It jumped to $1600/yr !!! I pointed out that the kid had his on car, a typical beater-mobile 6 cyl Baracuda and wasn't going to be driving the Z. Sorry, but the insurance compnay rates the teenie driver on highest risk car. I wuz so pissed I put the word out that the Z wuz now the official nieghborhood saturday nite date-mobile. My kid drove it, and so did a few other lads. I never had to wash it. Those frisky boys damn near polished the paint off it. Bill Karl Mueller wrote: > Collin, > I tend to agree with you about not being able to hold the accidents against > me. I talked with the underwriter who made the decision, she mentioned that > it's part of "a trend" that makes me a high risk to insure. I gave her > quite an earfull about this. In the end, I gave up, they're a business, they > don't care about little people, no longer my problem. > > Unfortunately, it turns out that USAA only insures a household as a whole, > so they won't allow me to have another company as an insurer. Now _this_ > sounds fishy to me. Unfortunately my father is too honest to just tell them > that I moved out, so tomorrow I'll give USAA another earfull. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 2 23:43:46 1999 X-Sender: culimerc@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 23:51:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: James Hoofnagle Subject: Fall Fling Am I to late to say "thanks" to Craig for his monumental organizational effort on the Fall Fling. I thought there was as many as 25 bright shiney sport bikes. Has anybody who was taking pictures posted them yet? I was riding around tenth (+\-) and it was great to see so many good, solid riders up front and endless bikes in the rear view. I got a chance to meet the good, solid, speed limit obeying citizens of this list, that I've read of so many times. Thanks again Craig! Who are these Mo-Fo guys anyway? Oh and if you get a chance check out rt. 734 just west of Aldie Va. James E-TKT From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 00:53:10 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fall Fling Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:55:10 GMT Wow that sounds like soo much fun. Count me in on the next one. On Tue, 02 Nov 1999 23:51:58 -0500, you wrote: |>Am I to late to say "thanks" to Craig for his monumental organizational |>effort on the Fall Fling. I thought there was as many as 25 bright = shiney |>sport bikes. Has anybody who was taking pictures posted them yet? I = was |>riding around tenth (+\-) and it was great to see so many good, solid |>riders up front and endless bikes in the rear view. I got a chance to = meet |>the good, solid, speed limit obeying citizens of this list, that I've = read |>of so many times. Thanks again Craig! |>Who are these Mo-Fo guys anyway? Oh and if you get a chance check out = rt. |>734 just west of Aldie Va. |> |>James=20 |>E-TKT From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 00:54:04 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: jnewman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Calling all brake gurus.... Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:56:06 GMT And I might need some brake work too, for a rear brake on a 95 zx6r.=20 So maybe it might be as well if you posted publicly too. Daniel On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:45:59 -0500, you wrote: |> |> |>Is there anyone on the list that is real knowledgeable on=20 |>sportbike brake replacement/ cleaning / upgrading? |> |>I'm looking to rework my braking system and have some=20 |>questions. =20 |> |>Please reply off list |> |>Thanks,=20 |> |>-John N |>88 FZR 400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 00:56:14 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "LindaT" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: Car problem - Non-moto Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:58:16 GMT Non neccesarily. What kind of car do you have? You could have a bad contact somewhere in the charging system, or it could be a loose belt, or just a fluke.=20 Daniel On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:41:07 -0500, you wrote: |>My car is acting like my electrically challenged bike. Tonight, the |>battery light came on when I left the grocery store. It went off when = I |>kept the revs over 4k (redlines at 7k). |> |>So, is my alternator toast or what? |> |>LindaT. |>95 F3 Purple Haze (64K miles and counting...) |>00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) |>86 KLR250 Klarabelle |>89 Ford SHO 120K miles |>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 00:58:34 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weather Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:00:37 GMT I was a bit dissapointed with today's weather, but luckily the streets dried up and I took my bike for a spin tonight. That great guy we all know as leon was kind enough to let me borrow a spare electric vest. I had a lot of fun, I had to speed up too cool down. I felt like I was riding in the summer. FUN! Daniel On Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:13:21 -0500, you wrote: |>Glad I didn't ride in today. Reston saw a flurry of pine needles after= the=20 |>gusty winds. Most cars in my parking lot looked like sheep. Needles = were=20 |>like ice for the cage ride home. Tomorrow's forecast: |> |>Wednesday...partly cloudy...windy and much |>cooler...with a few sprinkles. Temperatures |>steady...or slowly falling through the 40s. Gusty |>west winds 20 to 30 mph. |> |>It is the last line that will have me driving instead of riding = tomorrow.... |> |>_____________________________________ |> Mike Troutman |> mike@XXXXXX |> http://www.troutman.org/vfr |> |> '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 00:59:25 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weather Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:01:30 GMT Oh and I meant to say I hope the weather turns out a little nicer on the weekend than is predicted. It's not supposed to be too bad, but then it seems like weekend afternoons like to get warm, which is wonderful! On Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:13:21 -0500, you wrote: |>Glad I didn't ride in today. Reston saw a flurry of pine needles after= the=20 |>gusty winds. Most cars in my parking lot looked like sheep. Needles = were=20 |>like ice for the cage ride home. Tomorrow's forecast: |> |>Wednesday...partly cloudy...windy and much |>cooler...with a few sprinkles. Temperatures |>steady...or slowly falling through the 40s. Gusty |>west winds 20 to 30 mph. |> |>It is the last line that will have me driving instead of riding = tomorrow.... |> |>_____________________________________ |> Mike Troutman |> mike@XXXXXX |> http://www.troutman.org/vfr |> |> '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 01:03:15 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Karl Mueller" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: USAA (was insurance)--long Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:05:13 GMT Well you ride an ex500 you're no squid! I ride my ex250 the same way, it's just so much fun! I guess I'm pretty lucky.. but I do plan on pleading with the cop when I get pulled over "PLEASE PLEASE don't give me a ticket I havne't had one in 3 years and my insurance rate will go up A lot!" I hear stuff like that works, but I hope i'm never in a position to try it! Daniel On Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:54:24 EST, you wrote: |>"When a cop asks you if you know how fast you were going when he pulled= you=20 |>over, the incorrect response is 'Of course I do you f**king moron!'" --= a=20 |>wise teacher of mine |> |> |>>Whoaa...USAA dropped you after an accident that wasn't your fault?!? = Last |>>year USAA told me that they only care about liability after an = accident and |>>that they don't raise rates/drop people due to an accident that's not = their |>>fault. |> |>Well, I spoke with the underwriter who made the decision to drop me, = and she=20 |>said that the accidents were part of "a trend" that made me look like a= big=20 |>liability to them. |> |>> |>>Sounds like those tickets may have been the real issue and they were=20 |>>waiting |>>for an excuse... |> |>Yah, probably, but lemmie qualify my tickets to all you old fogies who = think=20 |>i'm just some damn kid who drives too fast :) |> |>Ticket 1: 11pm, coming home from work on the HOV lanes, not another car= on=20 |>the road for miles, state trooper stops me for going 74 in a 55, sounds= like=20 |>a lot, but come on, it's I-95. |> |>Ticket 2: 9am, coming up 495 into MD, OK, this one was my fault, I = shouldn't=20 |>have been in the left lane, then the cop on the side of the road = wouldn't=20 |>have been able to point at me.. damn VASCAR. |> |>Ticket 3: 3am, Duke street, alexandria. Ok, at 3am, just after getting = off=20 |>of the highway, do YOU do 35 on duke? |> |>My point is that I'm really not a bad driver, I just don't have good = luck or=20 |>excuses to give to cops. USAA dropping me for this is just wrong, so = since=20 |>it's not _their_ fault that i'm unlucky, it's not _my_ fault that = they'll=20 |>never get my business again. |> |>Thanks for letting me ramble :) |> |>--Karl Mueller |>89/95 Kawasaki EX500 |>99 Aprilia RS50 |> |>______________________________________________________ |>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 01:08:07 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance... Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:10:08 GMT On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:16:19 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |>Carl, |>What reason did they give for dropping you? the tickets?? I don't think |>they *can* drop you for an accident that isn't caused by you....same as |>they aren't supposed to raise your rates for comprehensive claims.... |>oh well... all insurance companies suck.. just some worse than |>others... |> |>Collin |>(who agrees with Todd that insurance is government backed extortion!! |>hehe) I agree with that too.=20 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 01:10:29 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance... Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:12:23 GMT What the h@#@l scamming insurance company was this? On Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:11:05 -0500, you wrote: |>More strange insurance co policys. When my kid turned 16 I oned a Z-28 = Camaro. I |>was paying like $600/yr. It jumped to $1600/yr !!! I pointed out that = the kid |>had his on car, a typical beater-mobile 6 cyl Baracuda and wasn't going= to be |>driving the Z. Sorry, but the insurance compnay rates the teenie driver= on |>highest risk car. |> |>I wuz so pissed I put the word out that the Z wuz now the official = nieghborhood |>saturday nite date-mobile. My kid drove it, and so did a few other = lads. I never |>had to wash it. Those frisky boys damn near polished the paint off it. |> |>Bill |> |> |> |>Karl Mueller wrote: |> |>> Collin, |>> I tend to agree with you about not being able to hold the accidents = against |>> me. I talked with the underwriter who made the decision, she = mentioned that |>> it's part of "a trend" that makes me a high risk to insure. I gave = her |>> quite an earfull about this. In the end, I gave up, they're a = business, they |>> don't care about little people, no longer my problem. |>> |>> Unfortunately, it turns out that USAA only insures a household as a = whole, |>> so they won't allow me to have another company as an insurer. Now = _this_ |>> sounds fishy to me. Unfortunately my father is too honest to just = tell them |>> that I moved out, so tomorrow I'll give USAA another earfull. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 07:17:57 1999 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 07:10:47 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: LindaT CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Car problem - Non-moto First, the cheapest fix and most common failues: A) the alternator drive belt. Check the tension and condition. A glazed inner surface indicates slippage and will slip even if he tension is set right. B) battery termninals. Remove cables and clean those puppies, cable connectors also. If that don't work. You'll need instrument sto check the altenator output and a fixit manual for the proper prcedure per your vehicle. Bill LindaT wrote: > My car is acting like my electrically challenged bike. Tonight, the > battery light came on when I left the grocery store. It went off when I > kept the revs over 4k (redlines at 7k). > > So, is my alternator toast or what? > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (64K miles and counting...) > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) > 86 KLR250 Klarabelle > 89 Ford SHO 120K miles > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 07:27:15 1999 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:26:35 EST Subject: Re: Weather To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I thought the worst was the falling branches. Rear stepped out a couple of times but otherwise OK Bob From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 07:39:53 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: DCC Cc: jnewman@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Calling all brake gurus.... Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:38:17 -0500 If you ask your specific question(s) to the list, there is a chance that we all could learn something. That's what a good motorcycle list is for. My .02 Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA John wrote... >Is there anyone on the list that is real knowledgeable on >sportbike brake replacement/ cleaning / upgrading? > >I'm looking to rework my braking system and have some >questions. > >Please reply off list From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 08:14:27 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Bill Huson Cc: LindaT , DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Car problem - Non-moto Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 16:16:26 GMT On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 07:10:47 -0500, you wrote: |>First, the cheapest fix and most common failues: A) the alternator = drive |>belt. Check the tension and condition. A glazed inner surface indicates |>slippage and will slip even if he tension is set right. B) battery |>termninals. Remove cables and clean those puppies, cable connectors = also. Also check all the plugs and connections on the alternator itself. It's not unheard of for a plug to come out. |>If that don't work. You'll need instrument sto check the altenator = output |>and a fixit manual for the proper prcedure per your vehicle. |> |>Bill |> |>LindaT wrote: |> |>> My car is acting like my electrically challenged bike. Tonight, the |>> battery light came on when I left the grocery store. It went off = when I |>> kept the revs over 4k (redlines at 7k). |>> |>> So, is my alternator toast or what? |>> |>> LindaT. |>> 95 F3 Purple Haze (64K miles and counting...) |>> 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) |>> 86 KLR250 Klarabelle |>> 89 Ford SHO 120K miles |>> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 08:16:05 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: McKeithen@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weather Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 16:18:05 GMT On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:26:35 EST, you wrote: |>I thought the worst was the falling branches. Rear stepped out a couple= of=20 |>times but otherwise OK |> |>Bob I was noticing all the leaves. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 09:00:52 1999 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: James Hoofnagle cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:59:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Fall Fling Content-Disposition: inline I thought there was as many as 25 bright shiney sport bikes. Has anybody who was taking pictures posted them yet? Yes I counted 25 bikes at the first gas stop. I took a few pictures but haven't posted them anywhere yet. I will email them to you seperately from this message. If anyone else would like to receive them, let me know and I will email them to whoever wants them. I put them in a zip file that is just over 1 meg in size. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 09:09:38 1999 From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:05:36 -0500 Subject: Re: USAA (was insurance)--long To: Karl Mueller Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL In the eyes of the law, it doesn't "make it okay", it just makes it less likely to get caught. --chris To: bhuson@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Mueller Date: 11/03/99 02:33:47 AM GMT Subject: Re: USAA (was insurance)--long --snip-- My point is that since there were no cars out there, what good do restrictive speed limits do? How does "going with the flow of traffic" make speeding ok? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 09:13:30 1999 From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:09:33 -0500 Subject: Re: insurance... To: Karl Mueller Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL This can't be true. I live (and co-own the house) with my girlfriend ... I have USAA and she doesn't. I find it hard to believe that USAA drops you and tells you that you have to stop driving as you can't be insured by another carrier unless you move. Are you just trolling now? --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Karl Mueller Date: 11/03/99 02:42:59 AM GMT Subject: Re: insurance... --snip-- Unfortunately, it turns out that USAA only insures a household as a whole, so they won't allow me to have another company as an insurer. Now _this_ sounds fishy to me. Unfortunately my father is too honest to just tell them that I moved out, so tomorrow I'll give USAA another earfull. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 09:18:26 1999 From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:13:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Fall Fling Content-Disposition: inline So, Craig, when's the next one? ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 sbeck@XXXXXX on 11/03/99 08:59:25 AM To: James Hoofnagle cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fall Fling I thought there was as many as 25 bright shiney sport bikes. Has anybody who was taking pictures posted them yet? Yes I counted 25 bikes at the first gas stop. I took a few pictures but haven't posted them anywhere yet. I will email them to you seperately from this message. If anyone else would like to receive them, let me know and I will email them to whoever wants them. I put them in a zip file that is just over 1 meg in size. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 09:32:25 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:32:10 -0500 From: Elie Rosenblum To: Karl Mueller Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: USAA (was insurance)--long User-Agent: Mutt/1.0pre4i On Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 09:33:47PM -0500, Karl Mueller wrote: > >A big HINT: I-95 "...not another car on the road ..." One can easily slide > >by at > >74 or even faster IF they're running with the flow of traffic. If you're > >the > >only target out there, you're gonna get busted. > > My point is that since there were no cars out there, what good do > restrictive speed limits do? How does "going with the flow of traffic" make > speeding ok? Who said anything about usefulness or right and wrong? Did you actually think the rules made sense, and this really surprises you, or are you just griping because you were the one who was caught? Traffic rules aren't about right and wrong. They're about who knows how to not get caught. You can do whatever the hell you want, if you don't get caught. -- Elie Rosenblum '83 Datsun PU (beater/hauler) 2.4L I4 http://www.cosanostra.net '75 Volvo 164E (disassembled) 3.0L I6 Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer '74 Honda CB750 (fun) .74L I4 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 09:51:19 1999 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Tickets(was USAA) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:59:42 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 You Wrote: but I do plan on pleading with the cop when I get pulled over "PLEASE PLEASE don't give me a ticket I havne't had one in 3 years and my insurance rate will go up A lot!" I hear stuff like that works, but I hope i'm never in a position to try it! Didn't work for me. I had recently gotten in a minor fender bender that was considered my fault. The insurance co. (USAA) then ran my record and found a couple of tickets they didn't know about and doubled my rate. I was/am in fear of losing my insurance because my brother had his policy cancelled for the same kinda reason (although he has a 10 year history of consistently getting speeding tickets and causing minor accidents). It was one of the first nice days this spring, and I was looking forward to a ride without the vest and winter gloves on. I was leaving my house in the morning, pulled down the road and cut down another 25 zone through Falls Church. I had turned off the choke just before taking the left and the bike started sputtering. So, I gassed it a little, it sputtered, sputtered some more and then kicked in. I held it there for a couple of seconds then let off and continued down the road at about 30. I was pulled over by a cop who said I was doing 45, but she'd give me a ticket for 44 so it wasn't reckless. She actually asked if my drivers license was in trouble for points before she wrote the ticket. I pleaded my case about the choke, told her about my insurance problems etc. She went to her car and came back with my ticket and said "You should take it easy in the spring, your riding skills are probably rusty". I snatched the ticket out of her hand and said "I've ridden 4000 miles since January, I commute 3-4 days per week on my bike, the last thing I need from you is a lecture about being careful". If Bill wants more "bad luck" ticket stories, I'll be glad to oblige. I've gotten 3 in the last 3 years, all similar to this. The cops think they are doing you a favor by pulling you for 72 in a 65 during deer season so they can warn you about deer, officially! I'm always polite until they have me sign the ticket, then I turn into a serious a-hole. Jay St. Peter - hmm, just came up with a good name for my bike '95 ZX9R "Cop Magnet" From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 10:26:58 1999 From: "Kirt S." To: , Subject: Re: Fall Fling Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:22:06 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Exactly! I had a blast, and next time I'll make sure I'm there the whole day... Kirt 99 F4 -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:28 AM Subject: Re: Fall Fling > > >So, Craig, when's the next one? ; ) > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > >sbeck@XXXXXX on 11/03/99 08:59:25 AM > > >To: James Hoofnagle >cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Fall Fling > > > >I thought there was as many as 25 bright shiney >sport bikes. Has anybody who was taking pictures posted them yet? > >Yes I counted 25 bikes at the first gas stop. I took a few pictures but >haven't posted them anywhere yet. I will email them to you seperately from >this message. If anyone else would like to receive them, let me know and I >will email them to whoever wants them. I put them in a zip file that is >just over 1 meg in size. > >Steve Beck > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 10:29:31 1999 From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Mike T cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:24:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Weather Content-Disposition: inline Me too. I took the cage. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Mike T on 11/02/99 10:13:21 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Weather Glad I didn't ride in today. Reston saw a flurry of pine needles after the gusty winds. Most cars in my parking lot looked like sheep. Needles were like ice for the cage ride home. Tomorrow's forecast: Wednesday...partly cloudy...windy and much cooler...with a few sprinkles. Temperatures steady...or slowly falling through the 40s. Gusty west winds 20 to 30 mph. It is the last line that will have me driving instead of riding tomorrow.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 10:40:39 1999 From: sbeck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:39:01 -0500 Subject: Re:Tickets(was USAA) Content-Disposition: inline She went to her car and came back with my ticket and said "You should take it easy in the spring, your riding skills are probably rusty" In my experience this is typical of many LEO's and their types. They just love to lecture you about skills they pretend to be experts at. I'm surprised she didn't claim to be a riding instructor. I've had them tell me that quite a few times. Only to be followed by a statement so ridiculous and stupid that I immediately know they've probably never even been on a bike. I guess cops just can't help being posers. Kind of reminds me of people that use big words in hopes of impressing others, when in fact all they do is show how dumb they really are. Good for a laugh every time. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 10:50:47 1999 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 10:52:17 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: insurance questions, sort of long I have recently been battling with Progressive. They are saying I never called to cancel a bike, I am saying I did. The ritual of droppping insurance in the state of Maryland: go to MVA, turn in or transfer tags, run to telephone to drop insurance. Anyway, because of non-payment on two bikes, I thought I only had to pay for one they cancelled my insurance as of Monday, Nov. 1. I had rec'd very little notification in the mail about this. I got one notice of payment due via regular mail (not registered or certified) in late October. I spent over an hour on the phone with them late last night getting a brand new policy reflecting the one bike that I own. My questions are: Can they drop my policy without sending mail via registered or certified mail? Should I be in fear of the Maryland MVA coming after me for having a registered but uninsured bike for a total of 24 hours? Lisa Goddard Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 11:02:23 1999 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Bent Forks??? Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:00:59 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 There is a possibility that my forks are bent (1991 VFR) following my September accident. The handlebars were crunched, but I am not sure about the forks. This may seem to be a dumb question, but how can you tell if the forks are bent (they are NOT obviously bent)? If anyone is around Clarendon this weekend, and wants to take 10 minutes to look at my bike, I will provide you with many good beers. Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 11:13:37 1999 X-Originating-IP: [209.8.171.101] From: "Karl Mueller" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ok, i'll shut up now :) (was Re:Tickets(was USAA) ) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:12:47 EST Ok, lemmie extract my foot from my mouth. I didn't mean to start a flame thread on tickets or speeding laws/enforcement. I just wanted to say that I think that I'm a safe driver, and that it's a bit unfair for me to be charged for something that doesn't really matter. Wether fairness should matter to businesses is another discussion entirely. I'm just trying to say that USAA is doing questionable things from where I sit, so rather than bring them to court etc. (even if I had a chance of winning). I'd rather complain about them to people who actually use/pay for insurance, so they'd have to think about who their insurance provier is and let their money do the talking. --Karl Mueller 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 99 Aprilia RS50 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 11:28:22 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:28:49 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Re:Tickets(was USAA) ) To: Karl Mueller , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Karl, Nothing personal but... While USAA is a conservative insurance provider, it is so for the benefit of the greater membership. Their decision to drop you for the 3 tickets and the accident incurred keeps the company in the black and my rates low. Not only do they have decent competitive rates and very good service but have provided me a rebate at year's end for each of the last 5 years ranging from $25 to $220. Hope you get a decent rate from the next insurer. Herb --- Karl Mueller wrote: > Ok, lemmie extract my foot from my mouth. I didn't mean to start a flame > thread on tickets or speeding laws/enforcement. I just wanted to say that I > think that I'm a safe driver, and that it's a bit unfair for me to be > charged for something that doesn't really matter. Wether fairness should > matter to businesses is another discussion entirely. > > I'm just trying to say that USAA is doing questionable things from where I > sit, so rather than bring them to court etc. (even if I had a chance of > winning). I'd rather complain about them to people who actually use/pay for > insurance, so they'd have to think about who their insurance provier is and > let their money do the talking. > > > > --Karl Mueller > 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 > 99 Aprilia RS50 > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 11:33:30 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:33:51 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Re: Bent Forks??? To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles Mark, I believe that your forks are bent based on a visual inspection I made and when I rode the bike after the accident on that fateful day. Herb --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > There is a possibility that my forks are bent (1991 VFR) following my > September accident. The handlebars were crunched, but I am not sure about > the forks. > > This may seem to be a dumb question, but how can you tell if the forks are > bent (they are NOT obviously bent)? If anyone is around Clarendon this > weekend, and wants to take 10 minutes to look at my bike, I will provide you > with many good beers. > > Thanks > > Mark > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 11:43:20 1999 Reply-To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: Subject: Friend looking for a bike Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:42:55 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 A buddy of mine is looking for a used modestly priced entry level bike. He is approximately 5'6" tall and weighs around 130 pounds. He does have some previous riding experience. I believe he should consider something like an EX500. Does anyone have any leads on a used bike that may meet his needs and capabilities? Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 12:14:28 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:14:14 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bent Forks??? Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Mark Kitchell wrote: > This may seem to be a dumb question, but how can you tell if the forks > are bent (they are NOT obviously bent)? If anyone is around Clarendon > this weekend, and wants to take 10 minutes to look at my bike, I will > provide you with many good beers. Pull the forks and roll the sliders (the chrome part) across a nice flat piece of glass. A piece of glass is also handy for checking that your forks are parallel to each other. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 12:18:59 1999 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:03:54 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: insurance questions, sort of long To: Lisa Goddard , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Lisa Goddard wrote: > > My questions are: > > Can they drop my policy without sending mail via registered or > certified mail? Yes. Typically you'll receive a notice of cancellation, with the effective date and the dollar amount to cover you if you pay. > > Should I be in fear of the Maryland MVA coming after me for having a > registered but uninsured bike for a total of 24 hours? Don't know. Sorry. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 12:19:08 1999 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Tickets(was USAA) ) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:18:08 -0500 Organization: NCEA I have been calling around and Kirt's recommendation of State Farm has proved to be the lowest for me. Allstate and Progressive were both more expensive and Geico will not insure me in Annandale due to my lack of garage, plus they refuse to combine their car and motorcycle coverages to earn group discounts. Cedric 1987 CBR600 Hurricane - RIP AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Nomad [SMTP:nomad98@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 11:29 AM To: Karl Mueller; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Tickets(was USAA) ) Karl, Nothing personal but... While USAA is a conservative insurance provider, it is so for the benefit of the greater membership. Their decision to drop you for the 3 tickets and the accident incurred keeps the company in the black and my rates low. Not only do they have decent competitive rates and very good service but have provided me a rebate at year's end for each of the last 5 years ranging from $25 to $220. Hope you get a decent rate from the next insurer. Herb --- Karl Mueller wrote: > Ok, lemmie extract my foot from my mouth. I didn't mean to start a flame > thread on tickets or speeding laws/enforcement. I just wanted to say that I > think that I'm a safe driver, and that it's a bit unfair for me to be > charged for something that doesn't really matter. Wether fairness should > matter to businesses is another discussion entirely. > > I'm just trying to say that USAA is doing questionable things from where I > sit, so rather than bring them to court etc. (even if I had a chance of > winning). I'd rather complain about them to people who actually use/pay for > insurance, so they'd have to think about who their insurance provier is and > let their money do the talking. > > > > --Karl Mueller > 89/95 Kawasaki EX500 > 99 Aprilia RS50 > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 12:20:48 1999 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:19:54 -0500 Subject: The Great Brake Project 0100,0100,0100Ok Guys and Gals, here's the deal.... The bike: 1988 FZR 400 [ one year away from vintage! ] The problem: The bike brakes like 11 year old bike... As many of you know, the braking system on the FZR 400 is enormous compared to the bike weight. The braking components currently on the bike are still the same ones which rolled off the assembly line 11 yrs ago. Needless to say, I think these components are a little *tired*. The Project: Total rebuild of front braking system. What I am going to do: 1) Replace the old rubber lines with steel braided lines. There are three lines here. One from the MC to a "Y" splitter which then routes another line to each caliper. I am currently gathering information on which brand of lines would best suit my needs. The choices for these are: Goodrich, Russell, Graydon Pro. Any others I forgot? 2) Rebuild the calipers and replace the pads This will include a thorough caliper cleaning and the replacement of the pads with aftermarket ones. [ I have decided on EBC HH's ] 3) Rebuild the Master cylinder [ replace all of the seals ] This will include tearing apart the MC, cleaning all the components, and replacing all of the rubber seals provided by the Yamaha MC rebuid kit. Once all of these tasks have been performed, I will then need to install and bleed the new system. I am entertaining the idea of installing bleedable banjo bolts to aid in this endeavour. I have heard that the "Y" connector makes bleeding the system a nightmare, so hopefully bleedable banjo bolts will make life a little easier. I have also head that there are vacuum pumps which make the bleeding process easier... Does anyone have any experience in this area? As you can see this will be a total brake rebuilding project. I haven't had alot of experience with hydraulic brakes, and although I do have a shop manual, I would like a little guidance from a safety/ screw-it-up-real-bad perspective. There may be others on the list which would benefit from participating/ watching, so perhaps we could have a "DC Cycles Brake Clinic" of sorts... Would anyone be willing to mentor me and other interested parties in this project... I'd be willing to offer up a case of the mentor's ale of choice, or negotiate something else for their time.... I would provide everything from workspace, tools etc... Any takers? Collin? Jon? Others? -Thanks, John N From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 12:24:51 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:36:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Looking for a bike too To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm in the market for a Honda XR400R for $3000 or less. Please keep your eyes open for me. Thanks. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 12:27:59 1999 From: "Leslie" To: Subject: Re: Insurance.. Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:28:33 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: Re: Insurance.. Karl, Being that I am a USAA member, I'm interested in hearing more about this. Did you have a clean record (how current were the 3 speeding tix)? Was this your first claim, etc. Thanks, --chris I've had USAA for about a year now...saves me $1100 dollars over my Progressive policy that I had......1 car and 3 bikes on the policy..I cover all 4 vehicles for the same price progressive charged me for the Katana....anyway I haven't gotten any tickets, just had a $2500 hit and run on my car which they promptly payed for....no complaints from me on their service...Les From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 12:43:23 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:43:18 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 jnewman@XXXXXX wrote: > 1) Replace the old rubber lines with steel braided lines. > There are three lines here. One from the MC to a "Y" > splitter which then routes another line to each caliper. So, won't you just go to 2 lines when you do the replacement (using a double banjo at the MC)? > I am entertaining the idea of installing bleedable banjo bolts to > aid in this endeavour. I have used Speed Bleeders (one way valves) and think they're great but not for initially filling the system (more on that below). I know Pep Boys sells the Speed Bleeders... > I have also head that there are vacuum pumps which > make the bleeding process easier... Does anyone have > any experience in this area? The cheaper alternative is a turkey baster. Put a piece of hose on the turkey baster and fill your brake system from the caliper. You can't have a one way valve on for this stage if you do it this way... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://klx.listbot.com) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) 1984 Honda XR350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 12:45:40 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:45:21 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: jnewman@XXXXXX cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project > I have also head that there are vacuum pumps which > make the bleeding process easier... Does anyone have > any experience in this area? I have used one of these vacuum pumps for my bleedings, and they are definately better than the traditional leech approach. ;) In all seriousness, I've found the vacuum pump definately worth the ~$25.00 investment (especially since I've used it more than once). It means that I don't have to go through: pump...loosen...tighten...pump cycles. I just take the MC cap off and pump down at the banjo bolt. The only caveat is to be sure that the MC remains with enough fluid in it. It's easy to lose track, and suck air into the line if you don't watch the MC. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 13:00:06 1999 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Lisa Goddard Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance questions, sort of long Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 21:02:05 GMT That reminds me, I have to mail or drop off my fr16 to the MVA because of progressives moron employees. What I did was call progressive, and told them their mistake is going to get me fined bigtime and have them amend their policy to show I was covered for the unspecified time. the MVA surely mailed me a form inquiring about my insurance. I have no doubt progressive mails them when contracts are cancelled. Even if they are teh boneheads who cancel it and are supposed to write another one, but don't. Daniel i'm switching to www.MDcycledirect.com when I get the chance. =09 On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 10:52:17 -0500, you wrote: |>I have recently been battling with Progressive. They are saying I = never |>called to cancel a bike, I am saying I did. The ritual of droppping |>insurance in the state of Maryland: go to MVA, turn in or transfer = tags, |>run to telephone to drop insurance. |> |>Anyway, because of non-payment on two bikes, I thought I only had to = pay |>for one they cancelled my insurance as of Monday, Nov. 1. I had rec'd |>very little notification in the mail about this. I got one notice of |>payment due via regular mail (not registered or certified) in late = October. |> |>I spent over an hour on the phone with them late last night getting a = brand |>new policy reflecting the one bike that I own. |> |>My questions are: |> |>Can they drop my policy without sending mail via registered or = certified mail? |> |>Should I be in fear of the Maryland MVA coming after me for having a |>registered but uninsured bike for a total of 24 hours? |>Lisa Goddard |>Kivex.Com, An Allegiance Telecom Company From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 13:00:39 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:08:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Bent Forks??? To: DC Cycles Cc: Mark Kitchell Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Mark, Could it be that your fork tubes are simply twisted in the triple clamps? A friend of mine dumped his Katana at Deals Gap with this result. What symptoms do you get? Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles cc: From: Nomad Date: 11/03/99 04:33:51 PM GMT Subject: Re: Bent Forks??? Mark, I believe that your forks are bent based on a visual inspection I made and when I rode the bike after the accident on that fateful day. Herb --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > There is a possibility that my forks are bent (1991 VFR) following my > September accident. The handlebars were crunched, but I am not sure about > the forks. > > This may seem to be a dumb question, but how can you tell if the forks are > bent (they are NOT obviously bent)? If anyone is around Clarendon this > weekend, and wants to take 10 minutes to look at my bike, I will provide you > with many good beers. > > Thanks > > Mark > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 13:19:49 1999 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 14:18:10 -0500 From: Mark In your message dated: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:19:54 EST, your pithy ruminations on were: => => 1) Replace the old rubber lines with steel braided lines. Sounds good. => 2) Rebuild the calipers and replace the pads Simple and straight forward. => => 3) Rebuild the Master cylinder [ replace all of the seals ] Another possibility is to use an aftermarket MC. If brake lever pressure is an issue, that may help. All good ideas. Are you just doing general maintenance, or are there specific braking problems you are trying to cure? => => => Once all of these tasks have been performed, I will then => need to install and bleed the new system. I am Speedbleeders. Absolutely terrific. They should be standard everywhere. You can use them on an hydraulic clutch too. => => As you can see this will be a total brake rebuilding => project. I haven't had alot of experience with hydraulic => brakes, and although I do have a shop manual, I would It's not that hard. Take things slow, don't spill brake fluid on body work or on the brake disks. Make sure that there's enough slack in the brake lines to accomodate suspension travel. As long as you're doing all of this, you should make sure that the current disks are within the limits for runout and thickness. Do NOT use DOT 5 fluid. You should use DOT 3, 4 or (if you really want--but there's no need) 5.1. DOT 5 is NOT compatible with anything else, and will require changing all the seals and flushing the brake lines. ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 13:39:54 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:39:36 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: Mark cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project Brake Fluid Comment... You should not just exclude the use of DOT 5 brake fluid! Your brake system should be labeled as to what type of brake fluid it is compatible with. For instance mine says on the MC DOT3 or DOT4, so that is all that I would use. If your MC says DOT5, then I would only use DOT5. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Mark wrote: > In your message dated: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:19:54 EST, > your pithy ruminations on were: > > => > => 1) Replace the old rubber lines with steel braided lines. > Sounds good. > > > => 2) Rebuild the calipers and replace the pads > Simple and straight forward. > > => > => 3) Rebuild the Master cylinder [ replace all of the seals ] > Another possibility is to use an aftermarket MC. If brake > lever pressure is an issue, that may help. > > All good ideas. Are you just doing general maintenance, or are there specific > braking problems you are trying to cure? > > => > => > => Once all of these tasks have been performed, I will then > => need to install and bleed the new system. I am > > Speedbleeders. Absolutely terrific. They should be standard everywhere. > You can use them on an hydraulic clutch too. > > => > => As you can see this will be a total brake rebuilding > => project. I haven't had alot of experience with hydraulic > => brakes, and although I do have a shop manual, I would > > It's not that hard. Take things slow, don't spill brake fluid on body work or > on the brake disks. Make sure that there's enough slack in the brake lines to > accomodate suspension travel. > > As long as you're doing all of this, you should make sure that the current > disks are within the limits for runout and thickness. > > Do NOT use DOT 5 fluid. You should use DOT 3, 4 or (if you really want--but > there's no need) 5.1. DOT 5 is NOT compatible with anything else, and will > require changing all the seals and flushing the brake lines. > ----- > Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand > '94 Yamaha GTS1000A > bergman@XXXXXX > > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman > > -- > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 13:44:25 1999 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: Kirk Roy Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:43:20 -0500 Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Kirk Roy > On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 jnewman@XXXXXX wrote: > > 1) Replace the old rubber lines with steel braided lines. > > There are three lines here. One from the MC to a "Y" > > splitter which then routes another line to each caliper. > > So, won't you just go to 2 lines when you do the replacement (using a > double banjo at the MC)? Well, that was an option in the beginning, but after some discussion on the FZR 400 mailing list, the general consensus was that the double line on the MC approach would not work because of clearance problems when the handle bars are turned to the extreme left. It seems that the hoses would contact the spedo. In order to get this to work, it would require some modifications to the spedo which i'd like to avoid. In the case above, the two tubes connected to the MC in parallel, (O)(O) Would get in the way. I I I I However, a set up where the two tubes are connected by a single banjo bolt might just work [ (O) with two tubes protruding from the bottom at 5:00 and 7:00 ( as in a clock ) ] Does anyone know where or who has the best selection of banjo bolts? I have heard a chorus of praise for the "speedbleeders" you mentioned. I have seen them, and I believe I will be using them into the modification.. For interested parties, here is the URL for them: http://www.speedbleeder.com/ Thanks for the input, -John From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 14:30:21 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:30:10 -0500 From: Elie Rosenblum To: Morris Berman Cc: Mark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project User-Agent: Mutt/1.0pre4i On Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 01:39:36PM -0500, Morris Berman wrote: > Brake Fluid Comment... > > You should not just exclude the use of DOT 5 brake fluid! Your brake > system should be labeled as to what type of brake fluid it is compatible > with. For instance mine says on the MC DOT3 or DOT4, so that is all that > I would use. If your MC says DOT5, then I would only use DOT5. I'm not sure how far I would trust this notion, but they're _supposed_ to all be backwards compatible. i.e. if your vehicle specifies DOT3 you can use DOT3-5; if it specifies DOT4 you can use DOT4 or 5, and if it specifies DOT5, you can only use DOT5. The impression I have is that you're best off using DOT5 most of the time, because the only specification difference is how well it resists heating problems, which are the primary source of runtime brake problems. -- Elie Rosenblum '83 Datsun PU (beater/hauler) 2.4L I4 http://www.cosanostra.net '75 Volvo 164E (disassembled) 3.0L I6 Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer '74 Honda CB750 (fun) .74L I4 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 15:04:54 1999 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:04:01 -0500 Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project Thanks for all of the responses regarding brake fluid. The choice of fluid for this project has already been dictated by the Yamaha factory manual. For the FZR, DOT #4 is recommended, DOT #3 is acceptable when DOT#4 cannot be located. I suppose the recommended DOT fluid depends on the bike manufacturer and model. Thanks, -John 88 FZR 400 From: Elie Rosenblum > On Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 01:39:36PM -0500, Morris Berman wrote: > > Brake Fluid Comment... > > > > You should not just exclude the use of DOT 5 brake fluid! Your brake > > system should be labeled as to what type of brake fluid it is compatible > > with. For instance mine says on the MC DOT3 or DOT4, so that is all that > > I would use. If your MC says DOT5, then I would only use DOT5. > > I'm not sure how far I would trust this notion, but they're _supposed_ > to all be backwards compatible. i.e. if your vehicle specifies DOT3 you > can use DOT3-5; if it specifies DOT4 you can use DOT4 or 5, and if it > specifies DOT5, you can only use DOT5. > > The impression I have is that you're best off using DOT5 most of the > time, because the only specification difference is how well it resists > heating problems, which are the primary source of runtime brake problems. > > -- > Elie Rosenblum '83 Datsun PU (beater/hauler) 2.4L I4 > http://www.cosanostra.net '75 Volvo 164E (disassembled) 3.0L I6 > Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer '74 Honda CB750 (fun) .74L I4 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 16:46:48 1999 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 16:36:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: insurance... At 05:16 PM 11/2/99 -0800, Collin T. Fagan wrote: >Collin >(who agrees with Todd that insurance is government backed extortion!! >hehe) While I agree with you that the goverment should not require people to have insurance, I can assure you that in states where auto insurnace is not required by law the companies function exactly the same as in states that do. Regaurdless if the "Gov'ment" mandates coverage insurance companies operate on the same basic principal; you suffer a small econmic loss to avoid the chance you'll suffer a large one. The devil, of course, is in the details. Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 16:46:52 1999 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 16:29:26 -0500 To: Lisa Goddard , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: insurance questions, sort of long At 10:52 AM 11/3/99 -0500, Lisa Goddard wrote: >Can they drop my policy without sending mail via registered or certified mail? Yes, they can. Leagally insurance companies only need proof that the can-no / non-renew letter was sent, not that is was received it, read it, or understood it. Case law supports this. >Should I be in fear of the Maryland MVA coming after me for having a >registered but uninsured bike for a total of 24 hours? Yes you should. MVA requires all insurance companies to send them a notice when a policy is can-no / non-renew / expired 4 no pay-slow pay. If there is not a matching new policy with another company it triggers a flag in their system. You should expect the letter in about a two months or so. I would call your underwriter & plead ingnorance & ask them back date the effect dates of the new policy. You can offer to sign a statement of no loss for the 24 hrs in question. Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 19:19:45 1999 From: "Jon Schumer" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:19:51 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Elie Rosenblum said: > I'm not sure how far I would trust this notion, but they're _supposed_ > to all be backwards compatible. i.e. if your vehicle specifies DOT3 you > can use DOT3-5; if it specifies DOT4 you can use DOT4 or 5, and if it > specifies DOT5, you can only use DOT5. > > The impression I have is that you're best off using DOT5 most of the > time, because the only specification difference is how well it resists > heating problems, which are the primary source of runtime brake problems. Umm, no. DOT5 is silicone based. Totally different from DOT3/4, which are interchangable. Yes, it has a higher boiling point. I don't think you are going to reach the boiling point of DOT3, even on the track. Morris is right on, DOT5 uses different seals so don't put DOT5 in your DOT3/4 system. I've only seen DOT5 in some domestics. Rice burners don't use that crap... ;-) Jon ICQ# 11193913 88' HawkGT 92' FZR600 http://come.to/fzrmofo From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 19:22:29 1999 From: "Jon Schumer" To: , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: The Great Brake Project Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:22:23 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Would anyone be willing to mentor me and other interested parties in this project... I'd be willing to offer up a case of the mentor's ale of choice, or negotiate something else for their time.... I would provide everything from workspace, tools etc... > Any takers? Collin? Jon? Others? > -Thanks, > John N Name the time and place and promise a ride on that little rocket. ;-) Jon ICQ# 11193913 88' HawkGT 92' FZR600 http://come.to/fzrmofo From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 20:15:02 1999 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 20:18:55 -0500 Subject: Re: insurance... From: John Whiteside To: Stephen Harris , on 11/3/99 4:36 PM, Stephen Harris at harris@XXXXXX wrote: > At 05:16 PM 11/2/99 -0800, Collin T. Fagan wrote: >> Collin >> (who agrees with Todd that insurance is government backed extortion!! >> hehe) > > > While I agree with you that the goverment should not require people to > have insurance, I can assure you that in states where auto insurnace is not > required by law the companies function exactly the same as in states that > do. One difference -- if you do get insurance, it tends to cost a whole lot more. Ask anyone who lived in Rhode Island before insurance was required there. -- John Whiteside jwhiteside@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 20:16:07 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:16:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Fall fling To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX James, Glad to hear you guys had lots fo fun... Pray for decent weather aound the turkey day weekend as I'll be in town with "pepe the pack mule", and I fully plan on heading out for a ride of some sort... I usually catch 734 (snickersville tpk) for a short stretch on my usuall *short* route... but there are soooo many other better roads in that area that I try to stay on it as little as possible... CT brrrrr.. snow cold!!! ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 20:26:03 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:26:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: bent forks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mark, If the forks are not obviously bent, the only really good way to check them is off of the bike using a dial gauge... or you can roll them on a table and look for out of roundness. On the bike, you might check for alignment by putting a pane of glass across both tubes.. this is a pain though cause you pretty much have to remove everything from the front of the bike... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 20:33:45 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:33:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re Brakes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX John, Like I said, if you can wait till turkey day weekend, I'd be happy to help.. hydraulic brakes are surprisingly easy to deal with...and I'd be happy to do brake 101 with anyone else that wanted to show up :) I haven't used them, but have seen em in action.. the speedbleeders do indeed work well and they are pretty cheap...makes things a tad bit quicker, especially if you are bleeding the system yourself! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 20:36:04 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:36:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Brakes II To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Oh yeah, I forgot to comment on brake lines.... Don't remember the name of the shop, but Glenn Dysart mentioned a street rod shop in your area that makes custom lines probably a tad bit cheaper than one of the pre-made kits... gonna look em up myself this winter.. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 20:42:06 1999 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 20:31:41 -0500 To: From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: insurance... At 08:18 PM 11/3/99 -0500, John Whiteside wrote: >>on 11/3/99 4:36 PM, Stephen Harris at harris@XXXXXX wrote: >> While I agree with you that the goverment should not require people to >> have insurance, I can assure you that in states where auto insurnace is not >> required by law the companies function exactly the same as in states that >> do. > >One difference -- if you do get insurance, it tends to cost a whole lot >more. Ask anyone who lived in Rhode Island before insurance was required >there. Yes, people's rates go up. In a few rare cases, they actually go down. Overall, there is a higher cost to doing business due to compliance with new laws & requirements. That cost gets passed on to the customer, just like any other business that "gov'ment" fools with. However, the companies operates under the same basic principals, same basic parameters. You suffer a small economic loss to avoid the chance you'll suffer a large one, and the company that offers the best price or value wins. obo moto; I do lots of wheelies when I ride, should I pay more for insurance...:-) Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 20:53:40 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:53:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: the great brake project To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Eli, 4 and 5.1 are backwards compatible; however, 5.0 is NOT. It is a silicon based brake fluid that only works in a very specific set of bikes....I think a few BMW's use it and that's about it for bikes... Any good standard brake fluid should be fine... if you live in the twisty's alone and brake really really hard, you ought to get som eof the 600 degree fluid, but otherwise the standard425-475 range should be fine... with the braking system on the FZR400, overheating the fluid is rarely an issue! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 3 21:16:04 1999 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 21:21:56 -0500 From: Craig X-Accept-Language: en CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fall Fling Anytime someone wants to go... An inpromptu ride can be setup, though no route sheets, so you'll have to keep up..hehehe.;~}..ay Collin what do you think....?? I put some pictures from the Fall Fling ride on the "MoFo" website today...take a look James.. Craig 99 900RR 85 VF500f http://www.angelfire.com/va/wsdymfg James Hoofnagle wrote: > Who are these Mo-Fo guys anyway? Oh and if you get a chance check out rt. > 734 just west of Aldie Va. > > James > E-TKT "Kirt S." wrote: > Exactly! I had a blast, and next time I'll make sure I'm there the whole > day... > > Kirt > 99 F4 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: Fall Fling > > > > > > >So, Craig, when's the next one? ; ) > > > >- Jeannette > > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > > > > > > >sbeck@XXXXXX on 11/03/99 08:59:25 AM > > > > > >To: James Hoofnagle > >cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Fall Fling > > > > > > > >I thought there was as many as 25 bright shiney > >sport bikes. Has anybody who was taking pictures posted them yet? > > > >Yes I counted 25 bikes at the first gas stop. I took a few pictures but > >haven't posted them anywhere yet. I will email them to you seperately from > >this message. If anyone else would like to receive them, let me know and I > >will email them to whoever wants them. I put them in a zip file that is > >just over 1 meg in size. > > > >Steve Beck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 06:32:41 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Brakes II Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:32:32 -0500 Here is the name of the shop... Hi Performance Hardware 5912 N. Washington Blvd Arlington, VA (703) 534-1626 Be sure to take along some heat shrink tubing to put on before the ends are put on. If you don't you may experience some chafing of the paint and other surfaces of your bike. Oh, and the guy who runs the shop isn't the most charming guy you'll ever meet either so don't expect a warm welcome. Glenn -----Original Message----- >Oh yeah, I forgot to comment on brake lines.... >Don't remember the name of the shop, but Glenn Dysart mentioned a >street rod shop in your area that makes custom lines probably a tad bit >cheaper than one of the pre-made kits... gonna look em up myself this >winter.. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 06:37:52 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: the great brake project Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:37:49 -0500 Speaking of brake fluid... from one of my car lists Ford apparently makes a Heavy Duty DOT 3 because they designed one of their trucks with the brake lines too close to the exhaust pipes. Its supposedly alot cheaper then buying racing brake fluid but from what I've heard it collects more condensation then regular fluid. If any want this stuff, the part number is: C6AZ-19542-AA. Glenn -----Original Message----- >Eli, >4 and 5.1 are backwards compatible; however, 5.0 is NOT. It is a >silicon based brake fluid that only works in a very specific set of >bikes....I think a few BMW's use it and that's about it for bikes... >Any good standard brake fluid should be fine... if you live in the >twisty's alone and brake really really hard, you ought to get som eof >the 600 degree fluid, but otherwise the standard425-475 range should be >fine... with the braking system on the FZR400, overheating the fluid is >rarely an issue! From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 07:28:27 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Cc: "'mKitchell@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Bent Forks??? Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:27:51 -0500 Mark wrote... > >This may seem to be a dumb question, I always heard the dumb question was the one you didn't ask. >...but how can you tell if the forks are >bent (they are NOT obviously bent)? A cheap and fast way to see if you tubes are bent or misaligned is to lay a piece of glass across both tubes (the "goes-ins," not the "goes-intos"). If the glass wobbles, problems. Not sure if this trick would work on upside downers, tho. HTH Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 08:40:01 1999 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:39:41 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: insurance... ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Collin T. Fagan" >What reason did they give for dropping you? the tickets?? I don't think >they *can* drop you for an accident that isn't caused by you....same as >they aren't supposed to raise your rates for comprehensive claims.... >oh well... all insurance companies suck.. just some worse than >others... Years ago, Liberty Mutual dropped my car insurance because after 10 years of paying premiums and no claims -- I got one ticket, and I got hit by a car thief. The ticket was for speeding. The wreck was caused by the guy who pulled out in front of me (telling the cop I was 75 ft. away and going 50 mph when he pulled out in front of me). I was subpoena'd to testify against him, he pled guilty and paid the fine rather than show up in court (he was driving his own car then, but apparently was well-known in the courthouse for his thievery). He had no insurance, of course. Then he skipped town to try to avoid paying me. He sent the first check the day after the Sheriff delivered the papers when I found him and sued him. All that, and our drivers records read EXACTLY the same -- "Driver/owner of vehicle that had property damage done to it". I know, because I lost my insurance and had to go assigned risk for several years. Virginia - hundreds of years of tradition, unmarred by progress. If it happened again, I'd complain to the State Corporation Commission, the state Insurance Commissioner, etc, but I was younger then and just took it. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 09:36:05 1999 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:28:52 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance... I like that quote! BTW - complaining to thge State Corp Comm is a huge waste of breath. Years ago I complained about NY Life's rip-off scheme which had caught me. The SCC did absolutly zip and told me tough titty. I had to let the policy go - a sizeable portion of my retirement plan at the time. A few years later I get a document from the New York State courts. Seems someone(s) with more time and money than me had sued the poopy-crap out of NYL. New York Life, being the cheating, lying peckerheads they are, lost the case. I got a measily 5K out of it. A wee bit short of the nar 100K retirement package I had signed up for and been paying on for more than 3 decades. Naturally, I dispatched a note to the VA SCC and imformed them that thier lack of response was pitiful. Fug `em. Fire the batch of `em. Save our tax money. Bill Chris Norloff wrote: > Virginia - hundreds of years of tradition, unmarred by progress. > > If it happened again, I'd complain to the State Corporation Commission, the state Insurance Commissioner, etc, but I was younger then and just took it. > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 09:53:47 1999 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:43:57 -0500 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Accept-Language: en To: DC-Cycles Mailing List , Fizzer Squad Subject: For those of you who will be riding year round I an effort to keep my fingers from falling off I went on a search this morning for a place to by good cooooold weather gear for a fair price. This is the best site I found. http://www.snowmobilesonline.com/ Nelson 94 FZR 600 AMA 761213 Gainesville, Va From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 4 10:01:49 1999 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:01:46 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: insurance questions, sort of long ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Lisa Goddard >Can they drop my policy without sending mail via registered or certified mail? Probably. Policy in most situations is that putting something in the mail is considered a guarantee that it's delivered. Still something to fight about. >Should I be in fear of the Maryland MVA coming after me for having