From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 1 21:08:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00694; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 21:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15424; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 21:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00451; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 21:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [166.55.19.162] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id A4D22F1F0124; Sat Nov 01 20:18:10 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:04:02 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCE6F0.891DC3A0.jywon@imisys.com> From: "Justin Y. Won" Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: lurkers, revealed Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:04:01 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (lurk off) Well, can you think of anything better to draw me out of lurk mode? I'm actually a newbie to this list, thanx to Jeannette. And I've been travelling the past several days, so I haven't had the loaf time that I normally do (I hope my boss isn't a lurker here). Seems like things are slowing down for the winter anyway. Besides, I don't even have a ride currently. Tragic story, that I might share with the list some day. Or you can get Jeannette's interpretation. I promise to be more interactive when I get back into town. But I can't deny that some subjects are more compelling than others, right J? ;-) (lurk on) On Friday, October 31, 1997 18:50 PM, kevin thomas [SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] wrote: > Hey, y'all-- > > It's sad when it takes a discussion of Jeannette's undergarments (or lack > thereof =:-D ) to bring out the lurkers on our _motorcycle_ list! > > (This means you, Justin. And the rest of you know who you are.) > > ;-) > > Kevin > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 09:17:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04179; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 09:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18380; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 09:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo09.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05452; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 09:17:07 -0500 (EST) From: Barbelle14 Message-ID: <92ff4920.345c8b13@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 09:16:32 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: road assist program (and AZ update) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_878480145_boundary" Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_878480145_boundary Content-ID: <0_878480145@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hey guys & gals! Saw this and thought you might be interested. AZ is *wonderful* - we will be riding year round comfortably and there is *no* rain! BTW - my knees have healed stronger than ever - I am very pleased with the prolotherapy. :-) Happy riding!! Sharon (& Jon) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:58:50 -0500 From: "Jeffrey Harth" Subject: ROAD ASSIST RIDER PROGRAM Hi there, Please pardon the bandwidth. I apologize if you get this more than once since I am cross-posting it. I am not a subscriber but I thought that you may have an interest in an international organization of motorcyclists that we started called the ROAD ASSIST RIDER PROGRAM. The participants now include people from across the US, UK, Germany, and Australia. This is a program of volunteer motorcyclists who assist other motorists on our highways who are stranded or are in some way needing help. The assistance comes during your regular riding activities. There is no "patrolling" and there is no "requirement" to stop. The genesis of this is our commitment to create a new public perception of motorcyclists. Here's the program outline as best described in a scenario; This is an extreme case: A guy in a car breaks down on the highway, at night, in an area he is not familiar with, without a cell-phone or can't get a cell-phone signal. What does he do? Along you come on your motorcycle. You pull off the road in front of him so he can get a good look at you. You are wearing your leathers or whatever protective gear you have but you are also wearing a high-visibility yellow vest with the words ROAD ASSIST RIDER in big black letters on the back, easily visible and readable from a distance. You get off the bike, put your helmet on the ground and walk towards the disabled vehicle. You hold your hands out. In one hand you have a cell-phone. In the other you are holding your ROAD ASSIST photo ID. Now, at this point he has no idea who you are or what you want. You walk to the front of the car and ask if he needs assistance. We may use some kind of cloth sign if proximity to the vehicle will cause alarm to the motorist. You say that you can do three things (you choose what you do- these are the options.). You can light and drop a flare behind his vehicle on the road so other motorists can see his car. You can make a call for him to get assistance and can leave a message for those who might be worried that he is late. And, you are willing to stay at your bike until help comes that he is comfortable with. At this point you pull out your ROAD ASSIST RIDER business card and hand it to him which says that you are a volunteer motorcyclist of the ROAD ASSIST RIDER PROGRAM and explains the organization's commitment to assist. Then, in bold print on the bottom it states that you will not ask the occupant to leave their vehicle (there will be some disclaimer that they need to judge the safety of staying in the car, etc.). You walk back and light the flare and drop it. He gives you the number to call someone he knows and you place the call. You then pull out your phone reference card for the local police, state police, AAA, tow service, etc. You make a call to the police saying who you are and what the situation is. You then go forward and wait at your bike. A few minutes later the police show up. You walk over, ID yourself as the one who placed the call and why you are there, give the officer your ROAD ASSIST RIDER PROGRAM business card, and say good-bye to the driver. You get back on your bike and leave. Now two people, one of them being a police officer, have a new perspective of at least one motorcyclist. The organization is 100% voluntary. This means that the specific actions you take to help someone is completely voluntary. If you don't want to or can't remain with the person, then you leave. If you don't want to have something on you that identifies you with the program then you shouldn't wear the vest. We are in the process of working out the details. This is getting very big very fast. We expect to have 2000 riders in the program by year-end. If you are interested in this please contact me direct with your name, location, and phone number. You may also subscribe to the Road Assist Rider List by sending the message "subscribe road-assist" (w/o parentheses) to listserv@XXXXXX Thanks and cheers. Jeff Harth Philly 1986 BMW K100RS ROAD ASSIST RIDER >> --part0_878480145_boundary Content-ID: <0_878480145@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from mrin75.mail.aol.com (mrin75.mail.aol.com [152.163.116.113]) by air14.mail.aol.com (v36.0) with SMTP; Sat, 01 Nov 1997 21:32:48 1900 Received: from magpie.com (magpie.com [206.153.126.89]) by mrin75.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id VAA15920 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 21:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15108 invoked by uid 506); 2 Nov 1997 03:30:11 -0000 Date: 2 Nov 1997 03:30:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19971102033005.15068.qmail@magpie.com> From: wist-digest-owner@XXXXXX (WIST Digest) To: wist-digest@XXXXXX Subject: WIST Digest V1997 #122 Reply-To: wist@XXXXXX Sender: wist-digest-owner@XXXXXX Errors-To: wist-digest-owner@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit WIST Digest Saturday, November 1 1997 Volume 1997 : Number 122 T H E W I S T D I G E S T (Women In Sport-Touring) To UNSUBSCRIBE from The WIST Digest, see the end of this digest In this issue: ROAD ASSIST RIDER PROGRAM (no WIST) BMW swap meet, coolest leathers hot / cold weather riding Riding Suits Re: BMW swap meet, coolest leathers Surviving winter touring ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:58:50 -0500 From: "Jeffrey Harth" Subject: ROAD ASSIST RIDER PROGRAM (no WIST) Hi there, Please pardon the bandwidth. I apologize if you get this more than once since I am cross-posting it. I am not a subscriber but I thought that you may have an interest in an international organization of motorcyclists that we started called the ROAD ASSIST RIDER PROGRAM. The participants now include people from across the US, UK, Germany, and Australia. This is a program of volunteer motorcyclists who assist other motorists on our highways who are stranded or are in some way needing help. The assistance comes during your regular riding activities. There is no "patrolling" and there is no "requirement" to stop. The genesis of this is our commitment to create a new public perception of motorcyclists. Here's the program outline as best described in a scenario; This is an extreme case: A guy in a car breaks down on the highway, at night, in an area he is not familiar with, without a cell-phone or can't get a cell-phone signal. What does he do? Along you come on your motorcycle. You pull off the road in front of him so he can get a good look at you. You are wearing your leathers or whatever protective gear you have but you are also wearing a high-visibility yellow vest with the words ROAD ASSIST RIDER in big black letters on the back, easily visible and readable from a distance. You get off the bike, put your helmet on the ground and walk towards the disabled vehicle. You hold your hands out. In one hand you have a cell-phone. In the other you are holding your ROAD ASSIST photo ID. Now, at this point he has no idea who you are or what you want. You walk to the front of the car and ask if he needs assistance. We may use some kind of cloth sign if proximity to the vehicle will cause alarm to the motorist. You say that you can do three things (you choose what you do- these are the options.). You can light and drop a flare behind his vehicle on the road so other motorists can see his car. You can make a call for him to get assistance and can leave a message for those who might be worried that he is late. And, you are willing to stay at your bike until help comes that he is comfortable with. At this point you pull out your ROAD ASSIST RIDER business card and hand it to him which says that you are a volunteer motorcyclist of the ROAD ASSIST RIDER PROGRAM and explains the organization's commitment to assist. Then, in bold print on the bottom it states that you will not ask the occupant to leave their vehicle (there will be some disclaimer that they need to judge the safety of staying in the car, etc.). You walk back and light the flare and drop it. He gives you the number to call someone he knows and you place the call. You then pull out your phone reference card for the local police, state police, AAA, tow service, etc. You make a call to the police saying who you are and what the situation is. You then go forward and wait at your bike. A few minutes later the police show up. You walk over, ID yourself as the one who placed the call and why you are there, give the officer your ROAD ASSIST RIDER PROGRAM business card, and say good-bye to the driver. You get back on your bike and leave. Now two people, one of them being a police officer, have a new perspective of at least one motorcyclist. The organization is 100% voluntary. This means that the specific actions you take to help someone is completely voluntary. If you don't want to or can't remain with the person, then you leave. If you don't want to have something on you that identifies you with the program then you shouldn't wear the vest. We are in the process of working out the details. This is getting very big very fast. We expect to have 2000 riders in the program by year-end. If you are interested in this please contact me direct with your name, location, and phone number. You may also subscribe to the Road Assist Rider List by sending the message "subscribe road-assist" (w/o parentheses) to listserv@XXXXXX Thanks and cheers. Jeff Harth Philly 1986 BMW K100RS ROAD ASSIST RIDER ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:23:32 -0500 (EST) From: SweetlyBee@XXXXXX Subject: BMW swap meet, coolest leathers November 8th, I'm headed to one of the largest BMW swap meets happening. It's located in Norcross GA (near Atlanta). This is my first trip, but my significant other says it is a "real happening" in the BMW world. We're into vintage BMWs, so swap meets are sorta like a monster garage sale for motorcyclists. If you're headed to the meet, why not send email to me? Maybe we can connect there. Thanks for the "melt down" info on Aerostitch. It sounded appealing to me: cool, wetdown beneath, but somehow the melting aspect changed my mind. Yep, good ole leather once again is calling my name. I'm still struggling with safety vs staying cool in Mississippi heat though. "Rider" magazine November 1977 issue evaluated 25 motorcycle jackets (outfits) and the "coolest" leather was the "Bates Supervent" Maybe it's an overstatement by the evaluator, but when he said it was the coolest ride "this side of an ice cream truck" it surely caught my eye. We're talking *leather" jacket too! My curosity is soaring. Anyone know anything about "Bates Supervent" leathers? (Jacket suggested retail $435, available from Bates Leathers, 3700 N Industry Ave No 102, Lakewood CA 90712. Phone (562) 426-8668. (Oh, it's for men, but heck, if it's cool---maybe the outfit can be altered to ladies sizes. Oh---someone asked about women's motorcycle clubs---I have a bunch listed at my webpage so it's easy to check them out----http://members.aol.com/vechbmw/female.html Truth is, I haven't joined any organizations yet either, but definitely want to find some sister riders. The Pony Express Tour definitely caught my eye---riding to raise money for breast cancer research. But as a club? Same ole story for me. I live in the sticks of rural Mississippi---no clubs nearby. Any neighbors out there in a good riding group close to me that I don't know about? Elaine in Mississippi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:31:08 -0500 (EST) From: Sianiam@XXXXXX Subject: hot / cold weather riding <> A lot of people I know who live in the Southwest wear perforated leathers or cordura with armor (like the Motoport I was talking about earlier.)I wish I could afford two sets of leathers- I'd get a perforated set as well as a normal set- both with nice big vents.But for now I wear my Motoport pants with a pair of bicycle type shorts underneath- that way when I get somewhere I can take off my pants in a public space if need be. I've never tried the Aerostitch but with all the raves on this list about them it seems like I should check them out. (I still am dreaming about my Bates leathers though...) In the summer the best thing is wearing a cotton layer under leather- you wet the cotton layer, zip up the leathers and the leather retains the wetness- the wind comes in and voila! an air conditioner. This works really well in the dry climate of the SW and probably not as well in more humid climates like in Texas. Just a wet sweatshirt or shirt will be dry in less than a minute in the desert so the leather helps keep the moisture in. I've riden through the Sonoran and Mojave deserts in 112 plus degrees with leathers on- people think I'm crazy but it's actually cooler than jeans. (It also helps keep you hydrated- I know a lot of riders out here who've passed out on rides because they've dehydrated) I also love my "Camel back"- It's a water bag in a backpack-type bag that hangs on your back and has a little tube running out so you can ride and drink. You can find it at bicycle shops. I put the water pack in the freezer overnight and then wear the iced pouch under my leather. Helps keep me cool with that cold spot on my back and as the ice melts there's cold water to drink while riding. It also has a big fill hole so you can stop at the gas station and put in more ice cubes and water. (The only problem is I end up drinking so much water on a ride that I need an iron bladder. ) I think all of this talk about hot weather may be therapeutic to those of you in colder climates. So, I hope it helped. But back to the cold weather reality: > Yes, my Guzzi has quite nice handwarmers (the cylinders are very close up top) and I have done this cross-hand steering trick often.:) sian le mans III / R100S / CB400-F ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:34:27 -0500 From: Linda Tanner Subject: Riding Suits As far as the discussion of riding suits has gone - I wear a Fieldsheer Patriot cordura suit that I bought early 96. Right after I bought it (and my F3) I had a get off at 50+ mph. The cordura held up very well with no melting. I was cold (40's) and raining and I slid (and tumbled) for quite some distance (50-100 feet). I ended up with several holes in the suit, but only one all the way through, so I had a dime sized bit of roadrash on one elbow where the elbow armor shifted (because the sleeves are too long). I hate the fact that I am stuck with ill fitting gear because I am a woman and not at all built like a man. I've since modified the suit to fit better and patch up the holes (but the sleeves are still too long). I have recently acquired a used set of leathers that are made to fit a woman, just not me (yet). I am slowly shrinking down to fit - it won't take more that another year ;-) Hot weather is another story. I bought some Draggin jeans that have reinforced-with-kevlar knees and seat for hot weather riding. They also don't come in women's sizes, so I have the waist cinched up heavily to keep them up. I wear the cordura jacket in all weathers, but sweat allot when it's really hot. I just pray to keep moving. Hot temps when you've got some speed up is bearable. I rode back from the Honda Hoot (500 miles) in 98 degrees temps on a slab with middling discomfort. Taking off the jacket on a slab is out of the question, so I lived with it. I spoke extensively with the Aerostich folks before I bought the Fieldsheer and basically without paying for extensive tailoring, there is no way for an Aerostich to fit me. $700-800 for a suit and doodads like the back protector and ellipse plus tailoring stuck in my craw. It may be a good suit, but...... Someday perhaps when I'm built more like a man. Keep on ridin' LindaT 95 F3 Purple Haze ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 08:09:28 -0800 (PST) From: Kathy Kost Subject: Re: BMW swap meet, coolest leathers > cool, wetdown beneath, but somehow the melting aspect changed my mind. Yep, > good ole leather once again is calling my name. I'm still struggling with Even though I mentioned the melt down situation, I have to admit that on all the various motorcycle lists I'm on and rags I read I have never heard of that situation happening. Didn't mean to scare anybody off the product by saying that. I was merely repeating what their documentation says when you buy the thing. I suspect that such an occurrence would only happen under a severely long and fast slide and it's in there to protect them liability wise. If you're leaning toward an Aerostitch, I wouldn't let that stop you. I agree that leathers are by far the best (particularly if you can get a custom one that fits right -- try not to do it by mail order like I did...disaster). But I will always have leathers and an Aerostitch/Motoport type suit at the same time. If I could only afford one, I'd go for the cordura since it's more flexible and easier to care for in all kinds of weather/situations. Just my two cents! Kathy '93 VFR750 Seattle, WA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 12:18:03 -0500 From: RedRock Subject: Surviving winter Today is dreary, windy and rainy. There's a chill in the air and most of the trees' leaves laying wet on the roads. Not a day for riding. Sniff. I really *should* go down to the garage and start pulling the sell-able parts off the Guzzi... I think about all the great and not-so-great times brought my way by motorcycling this summer. And I think about the upcoming half a year when riding is an occasional adventure instead of a way of life. I'll take the riding season, thank you very much. So how does one survive the long dark drought that looms ahead? One way is this list. All you WISTers who are lucky enough to ride when the daylight is short-- I'm hoping you'll keep sharing your adventures! That way the rest of us unfortunates will be able to vicariously experience all the sensations and thrills we put on hiatus. Every day I look forward to checking the e-mail-- what new rider is sharing her excitement at the wonder of it all, funnies about fringe and being in love with these crazy machines, discussions on the personalities and names of our beasts, beautiful imagery like comparing cruisers to wooden sailing vessels, the differing perspectives, the fun and fascinating people I'm meeting. These things I know will feed the addiction all winter long. Thank you, WIST!!!! I'm REALLY glad you're here! -Erica Holmes, NY ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 15:35:08 -0500 From: Tricia Hennig <714144@XXXXXX> Subject: touring Response Re: Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:25:14 -0600 From: Cindi Knox Subject: Misspent youth, delayed. Wow! I just love reading exciting touring stories like Cindi's. I haven't braved a long distance (more than 5 hours or one day) of riding alone. I have been riding for almost six years now but my boyfriend has accompanied me on the long distance trips. I want to plan a trip next summer from Toronto to somewhere in the States. I've been to the east coast (Boston, Maine...) and through Detriot and Michigan to Chicago and to Galena Ill. I'd love to see Georgia but would like some advice on travelling alone for long times and distances. If anyone travels through Vermont the roads are excellently twisty!!! 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The editors do not assume responsibility for copyright infringement of submitted material. --part0_878480145_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 14:46:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06327; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19590; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08645; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA30184; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.177.25.196]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA20268; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:45:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971102144302.007594d8@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 14:43:02 -0500 To: 104521.1001@XXXXXX, rmattes@XXXXXX, Brian Summers , Carol Hickey , mcrdrcr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, deanscoot@XXXXXX (Flat Rat Racing), ets@XXXXXX, Fast Lane Cycles , Glen Ouye , Wangdahl_Glenn@XXXXXX, gjd6028@XXXXXX, hyrum@XXXXXX, jjs@XXXXXX, ims@XXXXXX, jdaniel@XXXXXX, John Capen , fraasj@XXXXXX, jjf@XXXXXX, Judy Laney , "KaydMan@XXXXXX" , Lori_Mennitt@XXXXXX, marka@XXXXXX, "CalMale99@XXXXXX" , green@XXXXXX, Mike & Mary Rowland , anderson@XXXXXX, nsummers@XXXXXX, dpauley1@XXXXXX, zubaly@XXXXXX, firehorse@XXXXXX, sturges_rich@XXXXXX, sturges@XXXXXX, rharris@XXXXXX (Rick Harris), Roger Bacon , sam@XXXXXX, burnham@XXXXXX, Steven Newton , smennitt@XXXXXX, BurnhamTed@XXXXXX, "tlewis(cont-mis)" , Tim Gooding , broglio@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX, jbrad@XXXXXX, rgrant@XXXXXX, vzo1@XXXXXX, Wendy Karrpi From: Stephen Harris Subject: Team Charm wins regional championship Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Check out the details at http://www.his.com/~harris/teamchm.htm Next race; AHRMA Roebling Road 11/15-16/97. Enjoy --- Stephen Taylor Harris http://www.his.com/~harris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 22:19:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10037; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 22:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24030; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 22:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13590; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 22:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (spg-as28s64.erols.com [207.172.46.127]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA07490 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 22:19:05 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971102222215.0068a460@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 22:22:15 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Lurkers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:49 PM 10/31/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hey, y'all-- > >It's sad when it takes a discussion of Jeannette's undergarments (or lack >thereof =:-D ) to bring out the lurkers on our _motorcycle_ list! > Jeannette's undergarments!! Damn, must have been one of those mutated threads that I stopped following after about the third post....Guess I better head through the trash file and catch up :) Damn, if only I was a better lurker...he he he Collin Who still says sir, grew up in black ice country, thinks mad mike should just buy ME a nice eyetalion bike to play with, loves to freak the cages on the 66 onramp by sliding the rear a bit (ok a lot), wears a helmet and likes it, carries guns, likes women without undies (wife doesn't believe in em either), drives way to fast, etc. etc. etc. hmmm did I leave any of em out? Oh yeah, who has the cheapest insurance, which is better dino or synth.... he he he I crack myself up sometimes....beautiful day...hopefully I can talk the womenz into letting me go for a ride......(probably not though since they are in number and can gang up on me) CT _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 23:27:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10509; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 23:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24266; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 23:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14388; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 23:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA21571 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 23:27:00 -0500 (EST) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Trailers? Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 04:27:01 GMT Message-ID: <3460514e.18420839@relay.mnsinc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know of a place in the DC area that rents motorcycle trailers? (The type that you tow behind your car with a motorcycle on it) I've found a great 1995 Nighthawk to buy, but it happens to be located north of Baltimore. I've never braved the Beltway (or any major highway) on a motorcycle, so I'm thinking a trailer would be the best way to get it home. =20 Thanks. Anita Lauro PS - My '94 Yamaha XT 350 *is* for sale. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 23:49:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10666; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 23:49:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24369; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 23:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1d.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14645; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 23:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.133] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.133]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPJW15W6JK8WXN6U@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 23:33:10 EST Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 23:33:15 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: argh.. To: Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IPJW18GCG68WXN6U@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > so just delete this.. > > > > and go watch your 'sppedvision'... > > > > hrumpf... bah humbug, to many cheerful souls around the office today I > think.... Would it be okay if I go pick up my new (used) R850R? Oops. Already did it. Got to ride it home in the rain Saturday. Loved every minute of it. Even better is that my brother (who has his learner's) could ride my old bike today (still haven't sold it) and we got to go out for about 150 miles. Not much, but about 10 times what my brother has ridden in the past with me following in the cage;) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 00:44:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11640; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 00:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25588; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 00:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15360; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 00:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13047; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 00:44:05 -0500 (EST) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA23238; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 00:44:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 00:44:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711030544.AAA23238@clark.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Slippity slip. Cc: hacker@XXXXXX From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Slippity slip. BTW,we all know the smartest service is the Air Force.We send the _officers_ in to fight! Naw, the Air Force sends cruise missles in to fight. The Marines send in fists. "Launch your fist at that hill soldier!" - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 01:39:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA11860; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 01:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25906; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 01:39:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16024; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 01:39:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA19102; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 01:45:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 01:45:16 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Dr. Martin Charron" , suzuki-l , dc-cycle Subject: Re: coolant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Recent information collected by MCN strongly suggests that antifreezes containing silicates (abrasives)---most car formulations---cause accelerated water pump wear/failure in (at least) Honda motorcycles. Read the label. --garcia On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, Garcia Oliver wrote: > Car coolant is fine. Use about a 1:1 ratio (by volume) > distilled/deionized water-to-antifreeze. Drain, flush, and replace every > 2-3 years. Don't add cold liquid to hot radiator/engine that is not > running--can crack cylinder block from thermal shock. Most > antifreeze/coolant consists of ethylene glycol. This stuff is poisonous > to drink (metabolized to oxalic acid) and has a sweet taste. As a result, > it's particularly dangerous if dumped on the street where it can be lapped > up by animals/toddlers. Best to recycle it at gas station AND use > (non-toxic) propylene glycol antifreeze/coolant---it costs about a dollar > more a gallon and works equally well. > > --garcia > > "If they're begging for a few dollars, they are street people. If they're > begging for billions, they are lobbyists." [James Boone] > > > On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Dr. Martin Charron wrote: > > > Anyone has used car coolant to put in your motorcycle?? > > > > martin > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 06:47:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA13689; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 06:47:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA27259; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 06:46:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA18736; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 06:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (spg-tnt2s18.erols.com [207.172.57.18]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA05974; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 06:46:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971103065001.00b2dfcc@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 06:50:01 -0500 To: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro), dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Trailers? In-Reply-To: <3460514e.18420839@relay.mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:27 AM 11/3/97 GMT, Anita Lauro wrote: >Does anyone know of a place in the DC area that rents motorcycle >trailers? (The type that you tow behind your car with a motorcycle on >it) > >I've found a great 1995 Nighthawk to buy, but it happens to be located >north of Baltimore. I've never braved the Beltway (or any major >highway) on a motorcycle, so I'm thinking a trailer would be the best >way to get it home. > >Thanks. >Anita Lauro > >PS - My '94 Yamaha XT 350 *is* for sale. Anita, U-Haul has small trailers (flat bed with rails) for rent. I think they run like $15/day local. With a 4 pack of good tie-downs from Flawmart...err Walmart ($16) you should be good to go. Just make sure that the fork get compressed when you tie it down so the front end stays put. If you have any questions about the setup just drop me a note or call. I've been doing it for years on various sized bikes on my 5x8 trailer (unfortuneately it's at my brothers house in OK, otherwise you could use that) Good luck Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 08:31:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14332; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27693; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19800; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA15275 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:31:10 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma015262; Mon, 3 Nov 97 08:30:59 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA00533 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:30:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA878563702; Mon, 03 Nov 97 08:28:25 -0500 Message-Id: <9711038785.AA878563702@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 97 08:26:57 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: argh.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yea, well I got to listen to my bike RUN on Saturday.. so :P~~~~~ But then I had to give Kevin Thomas his parts back so he could ride HIS bike... bummer, but I know what the problem is (what I suspected) and have a new part on order... so maybe this Friday I can go ride (damn, first time in nearly 2 months) cheers.. Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Got to ride it home in the rain Saturday. Loved every minute of it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 09:36:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14871; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28154; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21094; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:36:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA16236; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:35:20 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D1DD1FB@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re[2]: argh.. Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:36:01 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain YAY!! I'm so happy for you... I didn't get to ride at all this weekend 'cause I was moving...hope this weekend is good. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, November 03, 1997 8:27 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re[2]: argh.. > > > yea, well I got to listen to my bike RUN on Saturday.. so :P~~~~~ > But then I had to give Kevin Thomas his parts back so he could ride > HIS bike... > bummer, but I know what the problem is (what I suspected) and have a > new part on > order... so maybe this Friday I can go ride (damn, first time in > nearly 2 > months) > > cheers.. > > Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > Got to ride it home in the rain Saturday. Loved every minute of > it. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 11:29:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16864; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29750; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:29:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24898; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA00687; Mon, 3 Nov 97 11:29:05 EST Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 1.22); 3 Nov 97 08:30:14 -0008 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 1.23); 3 Nov 97 08:30:01 -0008 Received: from Black_Diamond.dt.navy.mil by Bayview (Mercury/32 v1.23); 3 Nov 97 08:29:59 -0008 From: "Bruce Dimon" To: "Meier, Christopher" , "'Brian McCoy'" Cc: Subject: Re: Re[2]: Slippity slip. Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 04:12:27 -0800 Message-Id: <01bce851$c074b400$c1a0bb9d@Black_Diamond.dt.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 It was my observation that DC area drivers fall into two categories: 1) Drivers who moved here from places that never get snow. They have no idea how to drive in it. They are afraid of winter driving. 2) Drivers from places that get a lot more snow. They know how to drive in it and, by God, they are going to show the rest of us just how _fast_ they can drive in it. They have no fear of winter driving but they should. Both groups seem to wind up in the ditch with equal frequency. Bruce Breidfjord Dimon, Senior Programmer/Analyst A&T Engineering Technologies, VECTOR Research Division Work: 208-683-2080, FAX: 208-683-2036 Work: dimon@XXXXXX Home: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX Northern Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 11:31:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16898; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29808; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:31:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25010; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:31:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA03365 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:30:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA18279 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:30:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971103161822.BFIC20735@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:18:22 -0600 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 11:08 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: FW: (Fwd) Lasers and Motrocycles, Part Deux! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971103161822.BFIC20735@[166.41.242.141]> x-post from HSTA. You may have already read this. LONG! Delete now if not interested in a little laser testing.... Todd Forwarded message: _________________________________________________________________ > ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:16:26 -0800 > Reply-to: proddy@XXXXXX > From: "Pat Roddy" > To: BMW -GS motorcycles mailing list > Subject: Lasers and Motrocycles, Part Deux! > > > Hi everyone! > > As most of you know, I wrote a report on lasers and motorcycles a few > weeks ago, and I have some very interesting points to pass onto you to > augment the previous report. > > Another motorcycle patrol officer (MPO) read my first report that was > published in our BMW Owners of GA newsletter, and today, he brought in > his > laser unit to clear up a few points that MPO #1 had told me. > > Again, this officer and his jurisdiction will remain confidential. I > can > tell you he does ride a BMW R1100 RT for his personal bike, but his > 'official' motor will also remain confidential to protect his > identity. I > have gotten to know this gentleman quite well over the past several > weeks > as he is a regular drop in customer of ours at Global Imports BMW. If > I > EVER get stopped by a patrolman, I either hope it is by this one or by > one > who shares this officers' personality and overall outlook on traffic > on our > highways and byways. > > Report: Laser Guns and Motorcycles. > > Today, another very friendly but much less 'brash' officer of the law > approached me after reading my previous report on laser guns and > offered to > take me out and use his laser gun. He was not on duty and due to > torrential > rains in the Atlanta area this morning, he was in his car. As I was > buckling my seat belt, the first thing he related to me that this gun > would > not work well through the windshield, especially if it was wet. The > rains > were abating as we left the parking lot in search of a good place to > 'set > up'. > > About a mile from the shop, we stopped in a vacant parking lot and he > aligned his car so I would have a clean shot of traffic coming down or > going away from us on this road. > > His initial directions were extremely easy. > "Line up your target in the HUD (Heads up display) reticle and pull > the > trigger. At oncoming traffic, aim at the front end of the car and > target > the license plate area. At 1000 feet, you have a cone of light four > feet > wide". > > I 'missed' my first few targets, surprised at the weight of this unit > (4.4 > lbs). After my fifth or sixth car though, I was hitting them > consistently. > The speed would be also shown on the HUD so I would not have to take > my > eyes off the car in the HUD to read the digital readout on the rear of > the > unit. I then asked him what the law said as to visibility of the > patrol > officer to the oncoming traffic. > > "We have to be visible for at least 500 feet-at least here in Georgia" > was > his reply. Target that clump of trees at the curve and we'll have our > distance". I did what he told me and in less than a second had a > reading > of 666 feet. "We are now 'legal' as to visibility", he smiled. > > I tried to target a few vehicles going away from me, but was not > getting a > return signal. > > "See the mists rising from the road and the spray from the cars?" he > asked > me. I nodded. "That is diffusing the beam. These units work great in > dry > weather but in the rain are not real good". > > Due to a target poor environment, we moved down the road a quarter > mile to > a new bridge being built over I-75, closed to traffic by orange > barrels. We > drove between them and parked on the bridge. > > "This is where you'll have some fun", he smiled. "You won't believe > how > fast most people drive". > > Instead of trying to extend the cigarette lighter adapter out the > window, > he brought out a portable 12V. battery out of his trunk, placed it on > the > wall of the bridge, and although we were shooting through a chain link > fence, he immediately got several readings from the oncoming traffic. > He > then handed me the unit. "Knock yourself out", again with a smile. > > For the next half hour, I was amazed. And I got pretty good with the > unit > too. > > "Get that white Ford Explorer in the inside lane-that guy is flying. > Must > be doing 78 miles per hour". I'd dutifully nail the offender. "78 > right on > the nose", I'd say. He did this a dozen or so times, and was never > more > than one mph off. I was truly impressed with his ability in judging > oncoming speeds of all kinds of vehicles. > > We then walked to the lanes going away from us. > > "You'll find getting vehicles from the rear much easier". > > And I did. I could get readings from several cars and trucks in almost > as > many seconds. > > "Hit that truck!" "Stay with him, stay with him!" I got a reading in > the > HUD within two seconds and stuck with him until the unit started > 'squawking', meaning I'd lost the return signal. "What's the range > say?, he > asked. "Uhhh, 1850 feet", I said. > > "Not bad, but many times, we can get trucks at over 4500 feet, the > theoretical limit of this particular laser". We can't usually ID them > from > that far, but we can sure get their speed. Under ideal conditions we > have > even exceeded 4500 feet. > > "Bikes, bikes" was the next thing I heard, so I swung my unit towards > them > as they receded, and within 2 seconds had the one on the left. 70 mph. > I > then moved the unit infinitesimally to the right and immediately got > the > right hand bike not 3 feet away from his partner (they were sharing > the > same lane, side by side) at 71 mph. The speed limit where we were > stationed > was 55. > > I then hit cars, school buses, Volvo station wagons, Bimmers, Chevys, > almost anything. Not once, not once, did I register someone doing 55. > Sometimes, I'd see someone really busting the limit, but I wouldn't > get a > return. The unit was heavy and after several minutes, my arms would > fatigue. > > "We have a shoulder 'stock' like a rifle stock, but I didn't bring > it. > That really helps in stabilizing the unit for long periods". > > After 30-40 minutes, I had to get back to the shop. On the way back, > he > shared several things with me that I do not think he'd mind me > repeating. > In fact, I am sure he will be reading this report very soon anyway :-) > > "I give everyone 20 miles over the limit-I'll give 75 in a 55, 85 in a > 65 > and 90 in a 70, but over that, I am going to come after you. I would > never > consider getting someone 10 over-hell, everyone is 10-15 over." > > "I really hate it when someone tells me " ' You must have gotten the > car > next to me, officer. I wasn't going that fast. I was just keeping up > with > traffic.' " He smiled, said "Pat, you now know why THAT argument is > no > good, now don't you? With this unit, you see who is speeding and who > isn't. > It's hard to make a mistake." I smiled and nodded. > > "To cover myself in court, I have to observe a car going much faster > than > everyone else, then I'll get him with the laser. Just scanning the > roads > and picking out the fastest one usually won't hold up. You have to > observe > them exceeding the limit first." > > I took this moment to confess to him that the few times I've been > stopped, > and the officer asked me why I think he stopped me, I always come > clean and > admit that "Yes, officer. I do believe I know why you stopped me. I > was > over the posted speed limit. Honesty has always worked for me on > bikes. I > have 3 warnings but no tickets." "Pat, honesty works with me too. You > lie > to me, you'll get ticket", he smiled. "You won't believe some of the > excuses we hear." > > "I never go after bikes. I'll target them sometimes but I never go > after > them. Hell, I ride and on my personal bike, I go like hell sometimes. > I > don't mess with bikers". > > I asked him if it ever bothers him when he has someone coming at him > at 90 > or over and he can't get a solid reading. > > "Happens all the time. A truck will change lanes, or someone will > interfere > somehow, and I just shrug and wait a few minutes. Somebody else always > comes along. I never have to wait too long." > > "It's like a big game out there. You do your best, that's all you can > do." > > "Do you have quotas?". I asked. > > "Not in my patrol area. I hear other agencies do, but we don't". > > "When using a laser gun, you need to be in as straight a line with > the > traffic as possible. If you are off to one side, then the cosine > effect > will come into play. Light travels at 186,200 miles per second. This > unit > sends out several hundred pulses of light per second, starts a timer > with > each pulse, waits for a return, and measures the time it takes for the > signal to return. If you are off at an angle, the cosine means your > angle > is increased from the oncoming traffic and the speeds you record are > falsely lower. We can't get you crossing an intersection from a 90 > degree > angle, because the light will bounce off you and return to us, but you > aren't closing on us or going away, so the unit will usually not give > us a > good reading." > > "The profiles of some makes of cars makes it hard to get a signal, so > you > have to stay with them longer. They aren't impossible, just harder to > hit." > > "You have to take a course to get certified to use the laser. With > radar, > it's the same. You have to recertify every two years for radar." > > > > I hope this adds some data points from my last report. As you can > tell, > this officer took a lot of time to explain how it works, how he uses > it, > and shared his 'philosophy' of handling some speeders. > > pr > Don Ivey > '78 LeMans > '79 SP1000 > '81 R80G/S > '71 A-R 1750 GTV > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 12:43:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18291; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:43:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00697; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:43:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04396; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id MAB459.93; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:37:02 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970901084638.0093a2c0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:46:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Slippity slip. In-Reply-To: <19971031200742.CLOK28671@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:00 PM 10/31/97 -0500, Todd Peer wrote: > >Oh Pooo! > > Hey Chris, fix your system clock. Your about a month late (showing > 9/1/97 today) Sorry 'bout that. You're the second person who's noted that, hope it isn't messing up folks. I'm working on a big project that has to have the "official document date" on it. The idiot customer rigged the word processor files to use "today's date" so when anybody edits the files we have to change the system date. sheesh, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 12:57:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18554; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00804; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:57:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04874; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id MAD459.93; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:56:37 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970901122206.0093ae30@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 12:22:06 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Slippity slip. In-Reply-To: <19971031234500.AAA24031@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >But bear with me for a minute. If, in normal, 2/10ths riding, we are >slipping on pavement lines, and in respectable 5/10ths riding we are >sliding the rear accelerating in traffic, and at 7/10ths, just having a >good time, we slide both ends convienently near a cemetary, what will >happen when some brain-dead-cager makes some typical stupid move and tries >to kill us? That's really scary. At only "2/10ths" riding, you're slipping? And at "5/10ths" you're spinning wheels? To me that sounds like you have a very serious deficiency somewhere -- tires, tire pressure, something. Motorcycles need a lot more reserve than to lose traction so easily. The question is not whether or not my 1982 sport bike is "slow" (actually I thought it was the rider that was fast or slow) -- the question is how should a motorcyclist ride? We need a lot of traction reserve to counter the typical Brain Dead Cager antics, and if you're spinning tires regularly then you don't have the traction reserve I think you need for emergency situations. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 13:34:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19214; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:33:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01132; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29178; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:33:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id NAB464.33; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:32:56 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970901131529.009f0b10@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 13:15:29 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Re[2]: Slippity slip. In-Reply-To: <01bce851$c074b400$c1a0bb9d@Black_Diamond.dt.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:12 AM 11/3/97 -0800, Bruce Dimon wrote: >It was my observation that DC area drivers fall into two categories: > >1) Drivers who moved here from places that never get snow. They have no idea >how to drive in it. They are afraid of winter driving. > >2) Drivers from places that get a lot more snow. They know how to drive in >it and, by God, they are going to show the rest of us just how _fast_ they >can drive in it. They have no fear of winter driving but they should. > >Both groups seem to wind up in the ditch with equal frequency. Especially those 4-wheel-drive "sport-utility" (ha! ha!) vehicle owners who think 4WD gives them better traction when braking or turning. I blame a lot of winter driving problems on the "stop-pedal, go-pedal" mentality of drivers. If the car doesn't go when they press on the go-pedal they get confused. If the car doesn't stop when they press on the stop-pedal they get alarmed. Then they abandon their cars in the middle of the street to keep anyone else from getting through. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 13:50:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19416; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01258; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:50:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29581; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:50:07 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA00044 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:49:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199711031849.AA00044@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:49:51 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:49:51 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:49:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:47:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Slippity slip. To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970901131529.009f0b10@204.194.180.21> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME > At 04:12 AM 11/3/97 -0800, Bruce Dimon wrote: > >It was my observation that DC area drivers fall into two categories: > > > >1) Drivers who moved here from places that never get snow. They have no idea > >how to drive in it. They are afraid of winter driving. > > > >2) Drivers from places that get a lot more snow. They know how to drive in > >it and, by God, they are going to show the rest of us just how _fast_ they > >can drive in it. They have no fear of winter driving but they should. > > > >Both groups seem to wind up in the ditch with equal frequency. > > Especially those 4-wheel-drive "sport-utility" (ha! ha!) vehicle owners who > think 4WD gives them better traction when braking or turning. ..how about amending the above to "some" vice "those"...I have a SUV as well as a few of my friends and we don't drive like that... ;-) > > I blame a lot of winter driving problems on the "stop-pedal, go-pedal" > mentality of drivers. If the car doesn't go when they press on the > go-pedal they get confused. If the car doesn't stop when they press on the > stop-pedal they get alarmed. Then they abandon their cars in the middle of > the street to keep anyone else from getting through. > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 14:20:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20144; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01727; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01274; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:19:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id OAA18317 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:19:52 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma018295; Mon, 3 Nov 97 14:19:47 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id OAA09328 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:19:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA878584355; Mon, 03 Nov 97 14:17:12 -0500 Message-Id: <9711038785.AA878584355@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 97 14:11:45 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Slippity slip. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was not based on 'typical' riding. This was considering cold weather/frost on the roads. And I can, on a whim, spin tires on my 500 going no faster than 15/20 MPH on the first right turn going to work. Then agaian, it's a heavy intersection that has lots of drippings. In real world applications, on 'reasonable' rides (not 30 degrees, frosty, and humid) it takes about 8/10ths to spin tires (all this on an old tech sportbike - either my CB1100('83) or VF500('86)). you cut a little to much from the first post from Kevin - (2/10ths slipping on pavement markings) I believe was what it stated. *shrug* Brian McCoy ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ That's really scary. At only "2/10ths" riding, you're slipping? And at "5/10ths" you're spinning wheels? To me that sounds like you have a very serious deficiency somewhere -- tires, tire pressure, something. Motorcycles need a lot more reserve than to lose traction so easily. The question is not whether or not my 1982 sport bike is "slow" (actually I thought it was the rider that was fast or slow) -- the question is how should a motorcyclist ride? We need a lot of traction reserve to counter the typical Brain Dead Cager antics, and if you're spinning tires regularly then you don't have the traction reserve I think you need for emergency situations. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 14:25:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20208; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01769; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01376; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IPKQ6JUV0G8X8SVM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:24:17 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 14:13:06 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 14:13:06 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 14:13:10 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Slippity slip. To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 14:13:11 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1079ICD32CJZ X400-MTS-identifier: [;60314130117991/2082461@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >> Especially those 4-wheel-drive "sport-utility" (ha! ha!) vehicle owners >> who think 4WD gives them better traction when braking or turning. > >..how about amending the above to "some" vice "those"...I have a SUV as >well as a few of my friends and we don't drive like that... ;-) Yeah! One of the biggest advantages (or disadvantages depending on your point of view) is that I can hop in my truck and not have to wait until they plow the roads. While this may not be particularly important to the average person around here it is a great advantage to all the local hospitals that use volunteer 4 wheel drive owners to act as ambulances when the ambulances can't get around... Besides, they're just plain fun off road (though not the same kind of fun as a dirt bike). Moto content: has anyone commuted on a dualsport bike in the snow? Kirk 88 Hawk GT 89 Dodge Raider From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 15:30:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21216; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:30:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02341; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03296; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:30:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA09638 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:29:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA17440 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:29:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from chan4377 ([166.32.114.127]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971103202935.JEY4123@[166.32.114.127]> for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:29:35 -0500 Message-ID: <345E342E.7E46@mci.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:29:34 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Slippity slip. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >> Especially those 4-wheel-drive "sport-utility" (ha! ha!) vehicle owners > >> who think 4WD gives them better traction when braking or turning. > > If I stop and think about the number of these supposedly 'safer' SUV's I've seen either flipped over in the middle of the road, or off in a ditch somewhere, it scares me. SUV's outnumber all other vehicles I've seen crashed in the last few years. Thankfully, most of the crashes seemed to be loss of control while driving too fast for conditions, no other cars involved. I got rear-ended in my cage a few weeks ago by an Isuzu Trooper, (coincidentally, the type of accident I fear most while on my bike, it still gives me shivers...). He said he hydro planed into the back of me; the roads were wet, but there wasn't any standing water. I think those wide-assed dirt tires he had on there had something to do with it... Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 15:44:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21467; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02598; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:44:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03936; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:44:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id PAB474.04; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:43:24 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970901154455.0092fcd0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 15:44:55 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Re[2]: Slippity slip. In-Reply-To: <9711038785.AA878584355@smtplink.micros.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:11 PM 11/3/97 -0500, Brian McCoy wrote: > This was not based on 'typical' riding. This was considering cold > weather/frost on the roads. Well, that's pretty typical road conditions if you ride this time of year. > And I can, on a whim, spin tires on my > 500 going no faster than 15/20 MPH on the first right turn going to > work. Then agaian, it's a heavy intersection that has lots of > drippings. In real world applications, on 'reasonable' rides (not 30 > degrees, frosty, and humid) it takes about 8/10ths to spin tires (all > this on an old tech sportbike - either my CB1100('83) or VF500('86)). Well, it seems to me that real world is what you ride, not perfect pavement. Your (and my) real world riding includes negotiating intersections with drippings, and roads with frost (at this time of year). > you cut a little to much from the first post from Kevin - (2/10ths > slipping on pavement markings) I believe was what it stated. That's what he said, and I quoted him completely in my response. You removed it from your message (I quote your complete message below). Since this thread has now been driven away from the original points, but the original comments are still being applied, it's best to stop now. My point, which has not been refuted, is that you have to ride within your limits (WHATEVER they are). If a rider rides on a public street at a speed such that tire temperature is the critical factor in wrecking or not wrecking then the rider invites disaster. Old rider, bold riders, but no old AND bold riders, Chris Norloff ************************************************************************ At 02:11 PM 11/3/97 -0500, Brian McCoy wrote: > > This was not based on 'typical' riding. This was considering cold > weather/frost on the roads. And I can, on a whim, spin tires on my > 500 going no faster than 15/20 MPH on the first right turn going to > work. Then agaian, it's a heavy intersection that has lots of > drippings. In real world applications, on 'reasonable' rides (not 30 > degrees, frosty, and humid) it takes about 8/10ths to spin tires (all > this on an old tech sportbike - either my CB1100('83) or VF500('86)). > > you cut a little to much from the first post from Kevin - (2/10ths > slipping on pavement markings) I believe was what it stated. > > *shrug* > > Brian McCoy > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > > >That's really scary. At only "2/10ths" riding, you're slipping? And at >"5/10ths" you're spinning wheels? To me that sounds like you have a very >serious deficiency somewhere -- tires, tire pressure, something. >Motorcycles need a lot more reserve than to lose traction so easily. > > >The question is not whether or not my 1982 sport bike is "slow" (actually I >thought it was the rider that was fast or slow) -- the question is how >should a motorcyclist ride? We need a lot of traction reserve to counter >the typical Brain Dead Cager antics, and if you're spinning tires regularly >then you don't have the traction reserve I think you need for emergency >situations. > >Chris Norloff > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 15:44:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21472; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:44:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02595; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03932; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id PAA474.04; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:43:02 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970901153204.0092fcd0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 15:32:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Re[2]: Slippity slip. In-Reply-To: <199711031849.AA00044@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19970901131529.009f0b10@204.194.180.21> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Especially those 4-wheel-drive "sport-utility" (ha! ha!) vehicle owners who >> think 4WD gives them better traction when braking or turning. > >..how about amending the above to "some" vice "those"...I have a SUV as >well as a few of my friends and we don't drive like that... ;-) Well, actually, I said "...those ... who think 4WD gives them better traction ...". That automatically included only those people who don't understand 4WD and traction, and excluded people who understand 4WD. I leave my original comment as it was. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 15:51:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21607; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02788; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04135; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id PAA29101 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:51:01 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma029055; Mon, 3 Nov 97 15:50:38 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id PAA12146 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA878590080; Mon, 03 Nov 97 15:48:02 -0500 Message-Id: <9711038785.AA878590080@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 97 15:46:34 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: winter riding... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit never a dualsport - but I did do 2 other things. first was a tortured (before I go it) KZ440 that had bald tires. We (roomie and myslef) ran 1/2" wood screws through the tires, coted the inside with lots of duct tape and reinstalled. They worked great on ice and shallow snow, but it tracked badly in deeper stuff. And the other one was a WR dirtbike that we put a paddle tire on the back (usualy for sand riding) - that thing would throw out HUGE rooster tails.. it was a blast - again, it didn't track very well when it got real deep, but it was better than the KZ. We'd take these 2 things out and race the snowmachiners in Montana... and commute to and from school (15 miles). Do I hear a 'when I was a kid' story coming on?..... *grin* Cherrios.. Brian McCoy ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Moto content: has anyone commuted on a dualsport bike in the snow? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 15:57:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21899; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02909; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04626; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:57:36 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA04153 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:57:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199711032057.AA04153@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:57:28 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:57:28 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:57:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:54:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Slippity slip. To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <345E342E.7E46@mci.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME far be it for me to defend all SUV drivers but, the last report I read in Driver magazine mentioned that the SUV market is the fastest selling market of all other vehicles sold in the U.S. so consequently, it's not suprising to see more SUV's in a ditch. However, last winter, although not as bad as previous winters, still had a large number of non-SUV vehicles hiked up sideways in medians, in ditches and into trees...with the advent of "all wheel drive" cages, I think there will be even more cages wrapping themselves around trees. I (being the good samaritian that I am), helped more cars out of ditches, driveways, sidestreets and medians than SUV's by a large number last year (one Chevy SUV was stuck in a ditch when it spun out in Reston Parkway in Reston and the rest were cars (about 8 of them),in ditches on rt 7).... ..one of the problems with SUV's are that people buy them without knowing either the limitations of the vehicle or their driving ability...just like motorcycles... oh great...now we have even MORE people out there that can't drive what they're sitting on/in! Not to mention the fact that, due to El Nino, we'll either have a very mild winter or a *really* bad one...has anyone heard the latest predictions on what this winter is supposed to be like in the D.C. area? cheers, -aki > > > > >> Especially those 4-wheel-drive "sport-utility" (ha! ha!) vehicle owners > > >> who think 4WD gives them better traction when braking or turning. > > > > If I stop and think about the number of these supposedly 'safer' SUV's > I've seen either flipped over in the middle of the road, or off > in a ditch somewhere, it scares me. SUV's outnumber all other > vehicles I've seen crashed in the last few years. Thankfully, > most of the crashes seemed to be loss of control while driving > too fast for conditions, no other cars involved. > > I got rear-ended in my cage a few weeks ago by an Isuzu Trooper, > (coincidentally, the type of accident I fear most while on my > bike, it still gives me shivers...). > He said he hydro planed into the back of me; the roads were wet, > but there wasn't any standing water. I think those wide-assed dirt > tires he had on there had something to do with it... > > Dale (the Horkster) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 16:07:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22074; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03176; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:07:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05011; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id QAA05800; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:06:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <345E3C92.B5832E7B@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:05:23 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Slippity slip. References: <345E342E.7E46@mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I had my Jeep I had "wide assed dirt tires" and with them I NEVER hydroplaned, 60mph through a 6 inch deep puddle, no problem. It was much harder to stop though. Big trucks are like big bikes 95% of the people who have them should not. Insurances is rising fast for them would you believe when a SUV hits a Escort at 50 mph it kills the people inside the car and the people in the truck walk away. Jay Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > >> Especially those 4-wheel-drive "sport-utility" (ha! ha!) vehicle owners > > >> who think 4WD gives them better traction when braking or turning. > > > > If I stop and think about the number of these supposedly 'safer' SUV's > I've seen either flipped over in the middle of the road, or off > in a ditch somewhere, it scares me. SUV's outnumber all other > vehicles I've seen crashed in the last few years. Thankfully, > most of the crashes seemed to be loss of control while driving > too fast for conditions, no other cars involved. > > I got rear-ended in my cage a few weeks ago by an Isuzu Trooper, > (coincidentally, the type of accident I fear most while on my > bike, it still gives me shivers...). > He said he hydro planed into the back of me; the roads were wet, > but there wasn't any standing water. I think those wide-assed dirt > tires he had on there had something to do with it... > > Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 16:54:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22943; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:54:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04488; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:54:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06595; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (spg-tnt2s18.erols.com [207.172.57.18]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA06049 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:54:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971103165742.006f2680@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:57:42 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: [2] Arrgh Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ok, you've got me in suspense now....what was the problem Brian???? CT _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 16:57:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23014; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04503; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06682; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (abr-as4s39.erols.com [207.172.152.166]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06651 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:56:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711032156.QAA06651@smtp2.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: Subject: Re: Slippity slip. Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:55:08 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jay goddard writes: > would you believe when a SUV hits a Escort at 50 mph it kills the > people inside the car and the people in the truck walk away. I saw a report on the Tube recently on SUV's, and a lot of people are buying them for the real or perceived notion that they're safer than cars. Methinks they're becoming the next "Volvo", and we all know about *those* drivers... Cheers, -- Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 18:21:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24247; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05892; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin46.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08838; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:19:41 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin46.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA11029 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:19:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:19:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971103172023_193107342@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Slippity slip. In a message dated 97-11-03 14:32:37 EST, you write: << Moto content: has anyone commuted on a dualsport bike in the snow? Kirk >> Yes, on my 1975 Can Am 175TNT, on purpose. and I fell down . And on my GL1200i, by mistake, (didn't follow weather reports) from Fairfax to Upper Marlboro. I didn't fall, but now I have high blood pressure. Six inches of snow on the Beltway riding 1100 lbs of man and machine on 3 inches of tread contact can do that. And on my VF750S Sabre, by mistake, ditto above line. |8-O Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 18:29:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24343; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05963; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:28:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from emout37.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09112; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:28:30 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout37.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA23799 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:27:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:27:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971103180333_1015034662@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Slippity slip. In a message dated 97-11-03 16:12:32 EST, you write: ...one of the problems with SUV's are that people buy them without knowing either the limitations of the vehicle or their driving ability...just like motorcycles... Two thoughts: 1. We all know the rule for slipping and sliding on four wheels: When in doubt, jam on the brakes and steer for for a ditch or guard rail. This way inferiors are out of the roadway. 2. Converse the above. When in doubt on a bike, gas it and stay on the roadway. Not to mention the fact that, due to El Nino, we'll either have a very mild winter or a *really* bad one...has anyone heard the latest predictions on what this winter is supposed to be like in the D.C. area? Conventional *wisdom* reports this area gets warmer temps AND more precip. Can we say *lackluster* winter? Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 18:37:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24458; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05996; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09268; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:36:39 -0500 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01DD92B3@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Chris Norloff Subject: RE:Slippity slip. Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:38:07 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Well I gotta disagree with you just a little bit. I think 4WD's turn better in the snow (under acceleration only). At least the ones I have driven. Unlike a RWD or FWD car that will typically spin out (esp. RWD) the extra set of wheels pulling through a turn seems to help keep you where you are going. MC content: I used to ride my 1970 trail 90 in the snow and even sleet. There wasn't much stopping that thing. When my hands got cold I would remove my gloves and just wrap my hands around the engine. I stopped riding that bike after getting a no class "C" and an unregistered vehicle ticket by Fairfax's finest. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > >> Especially those 4-wheel-drive "sport-utility" (ha! ha!) vehicle > owners who > >> think 4WD gives them better traction when braking or turning. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 18:42:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24501; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06066; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:41:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from emout32.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09405; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:40:59 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout32.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA07631 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:40:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:40:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971103174931_1446770846@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: winter riding... In a message dated 97-11-03 15:58:56 EST, you write: <> Snow! When I was a kid we didn't have "snow". The earth was tropical and overun by large reptiles. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 19:45:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00565; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:45:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06716; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10817; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:45:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.69]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA20852; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:44:37 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Chris Norloff" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Slippity slip. Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:42:10 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971104004436.AAA20852@default> Chris- You're right, this whole thing is getting old. Let's straighten it out. My 87 VFR has Metzeler ME33 and ME55 tires, less than a year old, with less than 4000 miles (and produced less than 2 years ago, says the DOT #) inflated to the stock Honda pressures, in good condition. The bike has nearly 30000 miles and is stock in all respects that relate to traction. It is in good condition. When I say I slipped on a road line, I don't mean a lurid slide, just a 1 or 2 inch movement while changing lanes. I was probably going no more than 70, making a totally normal lane change in a mild turn. My point does not necessarily disagree with yours. Mine is that I am not riding unusually fast. I am not turning unusually hard. I am not accelerating irresponsibly. It is cold out and my tires do not have the traction that they did when it was warm out. Yes, I do have less traction reserves to use for emergencies. So do you. You just don't know it. Maybe I am riding a bit harder than you; I don't know. I am not riding in an unusual, irresponsible, or antisocial way. This is not just on this bike. It is not just on these tires. I have experienced this on my 92 VFR with OEM-type Dunlop Sportmaxes. It wasn't as bad on that bike. I am not the only person I know who slides (a little) in normal riding in the cold. The slides I have had are not big or life-threatening. They are attention-getting, and I am trying to get everyone else's attention. Many of us are not aware that we have less traction for emergencies now than we had in July. That is all I'm trying to say. later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 19:46:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00594; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06732; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10850; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.69]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA21706; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:46:01 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: [2] Arrgh Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:43:35 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971104004559.AAA21706@default> Brian's problem was his starter solenoid. No electricity would go thru it into the rest of the bike. He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 20:36:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01028; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:36:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06954; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11632; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.69]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA1131 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:36:09 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: come out, come out, whoever you are Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:33:42 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971104013608.AAA1131@default> Hey, y'all-- Anita got me thinking...... that doesn't happen often! ;-) Anyway, there are about 150 of us on this list, but I bet 95% of the postings are from 30% of us. There are a lot of you who we've never heard from, and I'm not sure why. I know you have knowledge and experiences that will educate or entertain everybody, and I bet a lot of you have questions that you're reluctant to ask. That's Squeakers' fault. She's so mean.... :-D Really, though, the only dumb question is the one that doesn't get asked, and I think almost everyone here would agree. At least the 30% of us who speak up. So please say something. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 20:53:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01265; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:53:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07044; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from allison.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11854; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:53:42 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by allison.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15588 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10043 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:53:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711040153.UAA10043@clark.net> Subject: Service plan... worth it? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:53:27 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <19971104013608.AAA1131@default> from "kevin thomas" at Nov 3, 97 08:33:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Hey, y'all-- > > Anyway, there are about 150 of us on this list, but I bet 95% of the > postings are from 30% of us. There are a lot of you who we've never heard > from, and I'm not sure why. I usually try to stay away from the chit chat that sometimes goes on. Not that anything is wrong with it, but I don't want to burn the bandwidth when there is enough going on. I'll usually post when something happens and I either have a question, or have an answer. And actually I have a question now... I'm hoping pretty soon to get a new Kawasaki Concours. Now I'm an all thumbs kind of guy. I can do some very simple things on my Nighthawk (sorry to see it go), for example I can change the battery. However, I've never gotten into anything more complex like changing the oil or anything other fluids. Never synched carbs, and I'm still trying to figure out where are the float bowls, and how does one drain them. Cycle Sports has a plan where for $799, they will cover 3 years of scheduled service/maintance. Oil changes, adjustments, seals everything (except for airfilters). Eventually I would like to learn to do all of these kind of things for myself, but between school, work, and trying to have fun riding inbetween, I haven't had much time to actually try to learn yet. Plus after my 2 years experience, I really trust these guys (the Springfield location). Does $799 sound like a good price for three years worth of service? (They go by milage put on the bike for when to do the service, and I plan on continueing my current rate of 10,000+ per year) Thanks for any feedback, Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 21:45:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01735; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07233; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12607; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-202-241.kop.grid.net [207.205.202.241]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA03108; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:43:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971103214506.006a24d4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 21:45:06 -0500 To: louis@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Service plan... worth it? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <199711040153.UAA10043@clark.net> References: <19971104013608.AAA1131@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:53 PM 11/3/97 -0500, louis@XXXXXX wrote: Does $799 sound like a good price for three years >worth of service? > Louis, The answer is maybe yes, maybe no. In general, the biggest problem with extended service warranties is that they are not from the manufacturer. Consequently, you may not be able to get service when and where you need it because not all Kawasaki dealers will honor it. Even worse, the dealer who sold it to you may decide next year not to participate anymore. Alternatively, with bike as expensive and complicated as a Concourse, service costs add up quickly, even for routine maintenance. I couldn't get my ZX-11 out of the shop for under $250 (probably because the first hour of service was removing the fairings!). Thus, the price may be worth it if the company holding the policy has a good record and lots of service sites (which will be vitally important if you're doing 10k/year on the bike, unless you only drive in circles around Springfield). Get more specs on the policy. Another option is that some policies let you sign up at the end of the original manufacturer's warranty, so you don't have to decide for another year. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (out of warranty) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 22:33:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02194; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07421; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13411; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA02632 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:33:28 -0500 (EST) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: come out, come out, whoever you are Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 03:33:41 GMT Message-ID: <345f9407.101049691@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <19971104013608.AAA1131@default> In-Reply-To: <19971104013608.AAA1131@default> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:33:42 -0500, wrote: >Hey, y'all-- > >Anita got me thinking...... that doesn't happen often! ;-) Yikes! I did that? I guess I've got to be more careful in the future!! :) >Really, though, the only dumb question is the one that doesn't get >asked, and I think almost everyone here would agree. At least the 30% = of >us who speak up. So please say something. =20 Well, I may not post often to dc-cycles, but I have always been pleasantly surprised by the great responses I've gotten! I'd probably post more if I actually *rode* more... which is something I intend to remedy this week (by buying a Nighthawk 750). Then I'll have all sorts of questions...=20 Okay, here's one.... my XT350 has a kickstarter only, so I'm happy to be moving up to an electric starter. How long do you have to ride to keep the battery fully charged? I plan on riding to work at least on =46ridays (casual day!), and my commute is probably 15-20 minutes each way. Will this keep the battery up to snuff?=20 BTW, in case anyone is wondering my email address of "2xracers" is not in any way related to motorcycle racing... I have two retired racing greyhounds. For the curious, Daisy and Vicky have a web page at www.mnsinc.com/2xracers. Maybe they'll let me put up a picture of my new bike! :) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 00:26:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03543; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08809; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15177; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:26:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA28765; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:21:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:17:05 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Slippity slip. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199711030544.AAA23238@clark.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Dark Hacker wrote: > From: "Gil M. Nissley" > Subject: Re: Slippity slip. > BTW,we all know the smartest service is the Air Force.We send > the _officers_ in to fight! > Naw, the Air Force sends cruise missles in to fight. The Marines send > in fists. "Launch your fist at that hill soldier!" Yar,right.I want to see you go up to a Marine and call him 'soldier' (you would be implying he was in the Army). I'll watch from a distance w/the video camera. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 00:34:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03587; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08994; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15300; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:34:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA28782; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:29:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:22:41 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: winter riding... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9711038785.AA878590080@smtplink.micros.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Brian McCoy wrote: > Do I hear a 'when I was a kid' story coming on?..... *grin* Ok,I'll bite. When I was a kid one of the fun things I did in the snow was to get a 'sleigh ride' from my dad.He'd hitch up my sled to one of his dirtbikes with rope,then drag me along through the snow.It was fun until he decided to do a high-G turn;barrel rolls on a sled tend to suck. :-} Next. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 00:47:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03663; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09101; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:46:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15465; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.115]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA3269; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 05:46:20 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , "DC-Cycles List" Subject: Re: Service plan... worth it? Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:43:51 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971104054619.AAA3269@default> Louis-- I guess you need to find out what the service would cost when bought the traditional way. Look for loopholes in the fine print. One possible loophole: my owners manual (87 VFR) says to "inspect" the carb synch and adjust "if necesary". So what's covered in this plan, inspecting or adjusting? Get out your financial calculator and figure the time value of this money. In other words, getting a dollar today is worth more than getting a dollar next week. How would you invest that money if you didn't give it to the shop? Is this contract transferrable if you sell the bike? Any chance you'll leave the area in the next 3 years? Any chance of the shop going out of business? If it passes tests like these, it sounds like a neat idea. Good luck with it. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 00:57:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03765; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09159; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:56:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15600; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.115]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA7779; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 05:56:12 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: battery charge Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:53:45 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971104055610.AAA7779@default> Anita-- Thinking occasionally keeps my brain cells from dying of boredom! I'd think your plan should keep the battery up. I used to have a very short commute, maybe 2 miles. Should have walked.... Anyway, I rode my 73 CB750 almost every day, and went out to lunch and rode whenever possible in the evening and weekends with no battery problems. So I did more charging than you might, but your alternator is much better than mine. That's my best guess. Now I ride 20 miles each way most days, plus lunch, plus all the riding I can manage, so my batteries last forever. The one in my ex-92 VFR is original. The one in my 87 VFR is at least 3 years old. See ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 01:00:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA03828; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09199; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15638; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA28870; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:55:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:34:00 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Service plan... worth it? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199711040153.UAA10043@clark.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Depends on what kind of maintenance your bike needs.What kind of adjusters do the Connie's valves have?If they aren't self adjusting (ie,hydralic like your Nighthawk S) and need to be done a couple times w/in 30k miles,I'd say go for it.Valve adjustments are where most of the expenses come in for dealer service because of the time it takes to get to them and then check them all.If the valves are self adjusting,all that's left is basically fluids,filters and plugs.None of them are really that hard,and you'd save a bundle doing it yourself. Check the bike's owners manual and what you'll have to do to it.Then compare what it will cost to the cost of the service plan and make your decision. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 01:23:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04043; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09667; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtolympus.ari.net by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25565; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA05265; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:22:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:22:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: kevin thomas cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: come out, come out, whoever you are In-Reply-To: <19971104013608.AAA1131@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, kevin thomas wrote: > Hey, y'all-- > > Anita got me thinking...... that doesn't happen often! ;-) > > Anyway, there are about 150 of us on this list, but I bet 95% of the > postings are from 30% of us. There are a lot of you who we've never heard > from, and I'm not sure why. I know you have knowledge and experiences that > will educate or entertain everybody, and I bet a lot of you have questions > that you're reluctant to ask. That's Squeakers' fault. She's so mean.... > :-D Really, though, the only dumb question is the one that doesn't get > asked, and I think almost everyone here would agree. At least the 30% of > us who speak up. So please say something. something. (you did know that was coming didn't ya!) Okay, I'll throw out a question. In the last month I've had the fork seals replaced on my bike twice ('85 Honda VF700C Magna), the second time after one went after less than 200 miles. The same one has gone again, and I'll be contacting the dealer/repair shop (Heyser Cycles in Laurel) again tomorrow. I wouldn't take it back there, based on the work they've done so far, but feel I need to give them another chance to get it right. Questions are, is there any reason to think they'll do it right this time, and is there any reason they shouldn't have gotten it right the first (or second) time. I wouldn't expect that a (relatively) high maintenance item like fork seals would require some special expertise. Am I wrong? I've taken care of basics like oil/spark plug changes myself, but haven't tackled fork seals. Any thoughts? Thanks, Brian. bee@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 02:27:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA04513; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09871; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA16581; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA00111; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:22:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:07:43 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: come out, come out, whoever you are To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Brian E. Ewell wrote: > Okay, I'll throw out a question. In the last month I've had the fork > seals replaced on my bike twice ('85 Honda VF700C Magna), the second time > after one went after less than 200 miles. The same one has gone again, > and I'll be contacting the dealer/repair shop (Heyser Cycles in Laurel) > again tomorrow. I wouldn't take it back there, based on the work they've > done so far, but feel I need to give them another chance to get it right. > Questions are, is there any reason to think they'll do it right this time, > and is there any reason they shouldn't have gotten it right the first (or > second) time. The reason the seals failed the second time is prolly because the fork sliders are damaged(small nicks and such).The shop probably didn't bother to check and just swapped out seals they thought were worn from age. Check around your sliders(especially in the front) in the area of fork travel to see if you can find any damage.Even if you don't,bring this point up to shop and have them check.They could've just installed them wrong,but I'd be willing to bet they just didn't do a thorough job. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 07:25:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06479; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11148; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20004; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA27498; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:24:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06059; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:24:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711041224.HAA06059@clark.net> Subject: Re: come out, come out, whoever you are To: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:24:40 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <345f9407.101049691@relay.mnsinc.com> from "Anita Lauro" at Nov 4, 97 03:33:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Okay, here's one.... my XT350 has a kickstarter only, so I'm happy to > be moving up to an electric starter. How long do you have to ride to > keep the battery fully charged? I plan on riding to work at least on > Fridays (casual day!), and my commute is probably 15-20 minutes each > way. Will this keep the battery up to snuff? I commute about 10-15 miles (maybe 20 minutes) and the battery has been fine. Just remeber to check water level! (Learned the hard way). Actually the one other time I killed my battery was during a motorcycle rodeo. After each event I would turn the bike off and find out what the next event was. So it would be on for about 5 minutes, go less than .2 miles maybe, then turned off. Done about 7 times in a row. Then when I packed up to leave, guess what... that's when it died on me. Luckily, since it was an ABATE event, there was someone there to help me out (even though I had to wait until after the tug-of-war for the help). That's when I learned you can jump a bike from a car/truck, just make sure the car/truck is turned off. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 08:19:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06878; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11346; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20725; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11388; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:19:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03029; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:19:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711041319.IAA03029@clark.net> Subject: Short distance commutes To: 2xracers@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:19:39 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Forwarded message: > > Okay, here's one.... my XT350 has a kickstarter only, so I'm happy to > > be moving up to an electric starter. How long do you have to ride to > > keep the battery fully charged? I plan on riding to work at least on > > Fridays (casual day!), and my commute is probably 15-20 minutes each > > way. Will this keep the battery up to snuff? > > I commute about 10-15 miles (maybe 20 minutes) and the battery has been > fine. Just remeber to check water level! (Learned the hard way). One thing I forgot to mention is you also need to keep an eye on the spark plugs. The shorter commutes means that the plugs don't get up to their top temperature, and the carbon doesn't all burn away. Thus you can get carbon build up more rapidly. The mechanic I went to said I needed to extend my commute (or change spark plugs more often). Hey, any excuse to take the long road! "Sorry I'm late, my mechanic said to take the long way." :-) Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 08:51:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07344; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11920; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21561; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:50:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAA533.41; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:49:23 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971104065747.00987aa0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 06:57:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: El Nino [was: Slippity slip. In-Reply-To: <199711032057.AA04153@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <345E342E.7E46@mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >oh great...now we have even MORE people out there that can't drive what >they're sitting on/in! > >Not to mention the fact that, due to El Nino, we'll either have a very >mild winter or a *really* bad one...has anyone heard the latest predictions >on what this winter is supposed to be like in the D.C. area? I heard that we're supposed to have a mild winter -- warmer and dryer than typical. Sure hope so! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 08:51:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07357; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11944; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:51:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21571; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) id IAB533.41; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:49:53 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971104070802.009879e0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 07:08:02 -0500 To: , "dc-cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Slippity slip. In-Reply-To: <19971104004436.AAA20852@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:42 PM 11/3/97 -0500, kevin thomas wrote: >Chris- > >You're right, this whole thing is getting old. ... >When I say I slipped on a road line, I don't mean a lurid slide, just a 1 >or 2 inch movement while changing lanes. I was probably going no more than >70, making a totally normal lane change in a mild turn. > >My point does not necessarily disagree with yours. Mine is that I am not >riding unusually fast. I am not turning unusually hard. I am not >accelerating irresponsibly. It is cold out and my tires do not have the >traction that they did when it was warm out. Yes, I do have less traction >reserves to use for emergencies. So do you. You just don't know it. >Maybe I am riding a bit harder than you; I don't know. I am not riding in >an unusual, irresponsible, or antisocial way. Agreed. I was wondering if we were getting more polarized than intended. I was think about this as I changed lanes during a turn coming into work this morning, crossing over a white line. I got the expected little slip or increase in slip angle (whatever). I experience those with painted lines, the dreaded plastic pavement markings, and metal expansion joints in overpasses (common in DC). This was after riding about 9 miles at traffic speeds (60-65 mph on Rt. 66), then 30-40 mph in town. I would expect more slippage with either warm or cold tires, but how long to you figure it takes to warm up a regular street tire? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 09:14:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07589; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12716; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:14:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22018; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s54.erols.com [207.172.110.54]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA13468; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:14:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711041414.JAA13468@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:16:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: battery charge Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: "dc-cycles" Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19971104055610.AAA7779@default> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > the riding I can manage, so my batteries last forever. The one in my ex-92 > VFR is original. The one in my 87 VFR is at least 3 years old. > > See ya > Kevin > we went out ridin this weekend and when I tried to start my little bike... nuthin. Battery was totally dead. Since it IS a small bike, the hubby just gave a little push, popped it into gear, and off we went. I figured it would charge up while I was ridin. Nope. Wrong. Its STILL totally dead, so I guess that means it just plain gave up the ghost. Know what? I called lookin for a new battery, and they said it was $100! For a BATTERY. A stupid, nuthin battery! So, here's my question for all you battery techies. Next spring Im gettin rid of the small bike, but NOT the Sporty. The sporty has a good battery on it, but it IS a couple of years old. Are batteries exchangeable? I mean.. if I take the battery off of the Sporty, can I put IT in the little bike and then get a NEW battery for the Sporty? The bike Im KEEPING? Puttin a brand new battery in somethin that I AINT gonna be hardly ridin at ALL anymore and then as soon as it starts gettin warm Im gonna be SELLIN it for hardly NUTHIN (old bikes GET hardly nuthin) just riles me. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 09:43:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08003; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12981; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22733; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA19909 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:43:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA00401 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:43:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from chan4377 ([166.32.114.127]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971104144300.OWG4123@[166.32.114.127]> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:43:00 -0500 Message-ID: <345F3474.7DFF@mci.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 09:43:00 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: battery charge References: <199711041414.JAA13468@smtp2.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Squeakers wrote: > > > the riding I can manage, so my batteries last forever. The one in my ex-92 > > VFR is original. The one in my 87 VFR is at least 3 years old. > > > > See ya > > Kevin > > > Are batteries exchangeable? I > mean.. if I take the battery off of the Sporty, can I put > IT in the little bike and then get a NEW battery for the > Sporty? The bike Im KEEPING? Puttin a brand new battery in > somethin that I AINT gonna be hardly ridin at ALL anymore > and then as soon as it starts gettin warm Im gonna be > SELLIN it for hardly NUTHIN (old bikes GET hardly nuthin) > just riles me. Squeakers, It's a good idea. First thing I would check is: are the batteries the same size? Maybe not exact dimensions, but will the Sporty battery fit in whatever little space your small bike has. Motorcycle batteries come in all shapes and sizes, even though most are 12 Volts. And you know how those H-D's just love to be different, I'd be surprised if the batteries were the same size. What kind of small bike is it? Some of us like paying hardly nothin for a bike and then running the wheels off of it. Cheap thrills. Dale (the Horkster) Owner of 3 cheap bikes... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 09:58:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08250; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:58:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13217; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23081; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA26053; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:57:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA08778; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971104145745.EQZM20735@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:57:45 -0600 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 09:55 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: louis@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Subject: $799 Maint. Was: Service plan... worth it? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971104145745.EQZM20735@[166.41.242.141]> Get the carbs synched now and maybe again at 20,000. BTW the float bowls are a peice of the entire carburator assembly. Each carb has a bowl shaped bit attached to the bottom, usually with 4 screws. You can normally see the gasket (about 1/32") between the bowl and the rest of the carburator. On the bottom of the bowl there is a screw. Unscrew it and gasoline will flow out, thus draining the bowls. 10,000 miles a year huh? New Concourse. $799 for three years scheduled maintenance. Since you didn't say how the schedule was layed out, I made some mileage assumptions. Further, you didn't say if the dealer pays for oil filters/oil. I assumed yes. A quick $$$ analysis indicates that on the surface, it sounds like you'd be getting a good deal. You would not need to do the work yourself, however you'd still need to get the bike to the shop (that's spent time too). Since your not doing the work, your staying ignorant of the functions of your bike and that may be ok with you. Keep in mind though, you'll need to continue paying other people to do what you can do (tire changes are intimidating though, i know). And though Cycle Sport has a good mechanic, the next people you deal with may not. Anyway FWIW, here is what you should expect for routine maintenance. Oil changes. Every 5,000 miles. $ 6.75 Oil Filter (Banzai motorsports) $ 12.00 Oil (assuming $4/qt) $ 28.00 Labor ------- $ 46.75 * 6 = $280.50 Every 8,500 miles; rear tire change $ 30.00 * 3 = $ 90.00 Every 10,000 miles; front tire change $30.00 * 3 = $ 90.00 Every 15,000 miles (better get it twice); valve adjustment $150.00 * 2 = $300.00 You didn't say if the price includes the initial 600 mile service: $125-180 Total Cost $760.55 or $885-940(w/ 600m) Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:53:27, Louis Caplan wrote: >And actually I have a question now... I'm hoping pretty soon to get a new >Kawasaki Concours. Now I'm an all thumbs kind of guy. I can do some very >simple things on my Nighthawk (sorry to see it go), for example I can change >the battery. However, I've never gotten into anything more complex like >changing the oil or anything other fluids. Never synched carbs, and I'm >still trying to figure out where are the float bowls, and how does one drain >them. Cycle Sports has a plan where for $799, they will cover 3 years of >scheduled service/maintance. Oil changes, adjustments, seals everything >(except for airfilters). Eventually I would like to learn to do all of >these kind of things for myself, but between school, work, and trying to >have fun riding inbetween, I haven't had much time to actually try to learn >yet. Plus after my 2 years experience, I really trust these guys (the >Springfield location). Does $799 sound like a good price for three years >worth of service? (They go by milage put on the bike for when to do the >service, and I plan on continueing my current rate of 10,000+ per year) > >Thanks for any feedback, From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 10:02:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08365; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:02:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13289; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:02:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23207; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:02:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:03:06 -0500 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01E159C8@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: battery charge Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:04:43 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) I got tired of replacing stinking batteries all the time so I bought one of those battery tenders. Just put it on the bike when you are not riding it it maintains a fresh battery without overcharging like a trickle charger can do. I've only had it since replacing my battery this spring so I'll see If I get more than 1.5 years this time. To answer your question Squeakers yes and no. Yes if its the same battery, no if it isn't. Unlike a car, bike batteries have to be the same size or type to fit. There is no slack around them like on a car. Just compare the two side by side and if they are the same size and the terminals are in the correct place then use it. Chance are though that they won't be the same. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > we went out ridin this weekend and when I tried to start > my little bike... nuthin. Battery was totally dead. Since > it IS a small bike, the hubby just gave a little push, > popped it into gear, and off we went. I figured it would > charge up while I was ridin. Nope. Wrong. Its STILL totally > dead, so I guess that means it just plain gave up the > ghost. Know what? I called lookin for a new battery, and > they said it was $100! For a BATTERY. A stupid, nuthin > battery! So, here's my question for all you battery > techies. Next spring Im gettin rid of the small bike, but > NOT the Sporty. The sporty has a good battery on it, but it > IS a couple of years old. Are batteries exchangeable? I > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 10:04:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08390; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:04:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13303; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23243; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:04:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.43]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA3356; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:03:37 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Brian E. Ewell" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: come out, come out, whoever you are Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:01:11 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971104150336.AAA3356@default> Brian- The only thing I can think of is your fork tubes may be nicked. Any irregularity in the tube surface must be removed or it will cut the seals. Look them over carefully. Good luck Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 10:11:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08535; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13412; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13982; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA02078 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCE909.4CA88020@XXXXXX>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:06:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: battery charge Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:03:07 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Squeakers, $100 seems awful high for a battery to me. My RF900 needed one a year or so back, (I killed it, don't ask :-) and it was only about $65.00. Got it at Cycle Sport Springfield. YMMV, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 9:43 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: battery charge > >Squeakers wrote: >> >> > the riding I can manage, so my batteries last forever. The one in my >>ex-92 >> > VFR is original. The one in my 87 VFR is at least 3 years old. >> > >> > See ya >> > Kevin >> > >> Are batteries exchangeable? I >> mean.. if I take the battery off of the Sporty, can I put >> IT in the little bike and then get a NEW battery for the >> Sporty? The bike Im KEEPING? Puttin a brand new battery in >> somethin that I AINT gonna be hardly ridin at ALL anymore >> and then as soon as it starts gettin warm Im gonna be >> SELLIN it for hardly NUTHIN (old bikes GET hardly nuthin) >> just riles me. > >Squeakers, > >It's a good idea. First thing I would check is: are the batteries >the same size? Maybe not exact dimensions, but will the Sporty battery >fit in whatever little space your small bike has. Motorcycle >batteries come in all shapes and sizes, even though most are 12 Volts. >And you know how those H-D's just love to be different, I'd be surprised >if the batteries were the same size. > >What kind of small bike is it? Some of us like paying hardly >nothin for a bike and then running the wheels off of it. Cheap >thrills. > >Dale (the Horkster) >Owner of 3 cheap bikes... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 10:29:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08821; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13635; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24103; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:29:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id KAA540.03; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:28:23 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971104092712.00969380@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 09:27:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: battery charge In-Reply-To: <199711041414.JAA13468@smtp2.erols.com> References: <19971104055610.AAA7779@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >they said it was $100! For a BATTERY. Nah. Go to Hi-Gear, Trak Auto, or WalMart. You should be able to get one for about $40. "Motorcycle" batteries are used in lawn tractors, personal watercraft, and other things -- that helps get the price down. > Are batteries exchangeable? If the batteries are the same physical size, and you can connect the wires to the correct terminals, yes, you can exchange batteries. There may be some difference in the Amp-Hour rating, or the cold cranking amps, but it's probably not significant. Before you buy a new battery you should probably check your charging system, to ensure that if the battery's dead, it died by itself, not for lack of charge. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 10:30:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08863; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:30:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13653; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24138; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA12461; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:29:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA04268; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:29:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from chan4377 ([166.32.114.127]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971104152956.PUL4123@[166.32.114.127]>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:29:56 -0500 Message-ID: <345F3F74.1E68@mci.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 10:29:56 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Slippity slip. References: <971103174200_1346615706@emout03.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard asked: >> I got rear-ended in my cage a few weeks ago by an Isuzu Trooper, > > You ok? My neck is a little sore. Nothing some ibuprofen can't fix. I'm not one of these little weenies that gets an ambulance chasing lawyer and sues at the drop of a hat. He would have really messed me up if I would have been on the bike. I'm still a little jumpy. I guess it's a good thing. The realization of how bad it could have been might prevent the Next One. >I have an herniated disk in my back thanks to an uninsured, town > skipping kid tailgater on Rt95. Didn't show up for 2 years. What didn't show up, the kid or the herniated disk? Wasn't clear to me... :-) >The anticipation of the crash (mostly in the dirt), and the screaming >as you know how much it's gonna hurt on the way through the air before >you touch down is not a good feeling. Yeah, I saw this one coming through the rear view mirror, there was nothing I could do... If I was on my bike, I might have been able to avoid it, but only if I would have stopped with my front wheel pointing in a safe direction (i.e. not directly behind the cage in front of me) so I could gas and go. Gotta remember to do this all the time. Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 10:38:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09076; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:38:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13770; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:38:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24525; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:38:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.43]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA24865; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:38:08 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Todd Peer" , Cc: "DC-Cycles List" Subject: Re: $799 Maint. Was: Service plan... worth it? Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:35:42 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971104153807.AAA24865@default> I've never paid to have my bike (or car) fixed. Ever. So I don't know what this stuff costs. Assuming Todd is right about his prices, and adding in some services he forgot (what about carb synch, $100 every 8000 miles on my VFR, or changing coolant every 12000 or spark plugs every 4000? The plugs on my 92 were $8 each), it might be an OK deal. You'd save $200-$500. Maybe more. Do you carry a credit card balance? If you sent the $800 you pay for the service plan to your credit card instead, you would save $432 in simple interest over 3 years at 18% interest. Your credit card is compounded continually and I didn't feel like doing the math for that. It's more than $432. It looks like getting the shop's prices for all the services and adding it up over 3 years will be worth the trouble. Then we'll know. What's the oil change interval? Do they say to change the filter every time? Do you prefer to do yours _more_ often? I worked for an Audi dealer, and they give free service for 5 years or so, but every other oil change is without a filter. You'd have to pay for a filter if you wanted it. And the interval was maybe 7500 miles, and I do mine every 3000 max. So I'd have to pay for the ones in between. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 10:48:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09338; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13968; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25013; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13563; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:45:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971104104721.006a5f7c@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 15:47:14 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 10:47:21 -0500 To: Chris Norloff From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: battery charge Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971104092712.00969380@204.194.180.21> References: <199711041414.JAA13468@smtp2.erols.com> <19971104055610.AAA7779@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:27 AM 11/4/97 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: >> Are batteries exchangeable? > >Before you buy a new battery you should probably check your charging >system, to ensure that if the battery's dead, it died by itself, not for >lack of charge. > Most shops (like Trak Auto) will check your battery and will also give you a "core credit" for bringing in your old battery. That usually brings down the price by about $5, plus lets you be a good environmental citizen by recycling your battery. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT '93 Kawasaki ZX-11 (cold cranked) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 11:13:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09744; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14461; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25971; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:13:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA02939 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:13:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA29778 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971104161250.ESXB2584@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:12:50 -0600 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 11:09 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "DC-Cycles List" Subject: Re: $799 Maint. Was: Service plan... worth it? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971104161250.ESXB2584@[166.41.242.141]> >I've never paid to have my bike (or car) fixed. Ever. So I don't know >what this stuff costs. Assuming Todd is right about his prices, and adding >in some services he forgot (what about carb synch, $100 every 8000 miles on I've had tire changes, and my CB750 got a 600 mile tune-up. I didn't forget about the synch., told him to do it right up front. 8000 miles? Well maybe. I only do it when the ride feels rough. Twice on my CB750 (w/27k miles) and twice on the ST (w/19,000) the last being 2000 miles ago. >my VFR, or changing coolant every 12000 or spark plugs every 4000? The >plugs on my 92 were $8 each), it might be an OK deal. You'd save >$200-$500. Maybe more. You change your plugs every 4000 miles? What, are they losing a little shine on the outside :) >Do you carry a credit card balance? If you sent the $800 you pay for the >service plan to your credit card instead, you would save $432 in simple >interest over 3 years at 18% interest. Your credit card is compounded >continually and I didn't feel like doing the math for that. It's more than >$432. I thought about talking future value of money too. Turns out, $799 invested at 6% paying bi-annual works to be about $48 interest. Palry return IMO. Since Louis doesn't work on his own machine, that little return ain't gonna matter much. It really doesn't matter that he could put $799 into some cool accessories now, and worry about maintenance costs later. Hmmm, that reminds me. One of the dictates of a true enthusiast insists that 110% of all disposable income be traded immediately for some sort of moto-do-dad. >It looks like getting the shop's prices for all the services and adding it >up over 3 years will be worth the trouble. Then we'll know. Agree. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 11:57:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11032; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:57:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15773; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28388; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA22848; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:02:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:02:39 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: battery charge In-Reply-To: <199711041414.JAA13468@smtp2.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII First, check the bike's charging system and recharge the battery with a SMALL AMPERAGE 12 volt plug-in charger. Normally, you want to check the fluid level in the battery, but the high quoted replacement cost suggests that it's a "sealed" battery. In general, any (same voltage) battery that you can get to fit in or on the bike will work. --garcia On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Squeakers wrote: > > > the riding I can manage, so my batteries last forever. The one in my ex-92 > > VFR is original. The one in my 87 VFR is at least 3 years old. > > > > See ya > > Kevin > > > > we went out ridin this weekend and when I tried to start > my little bike... nuthin. Battery was totally dead. Since > it IS a small bike, the hubby just gave a little push, > popped it into gear, and off we went. I figured it would > charge up while I was ridin. Nope. Wrong. Its STILL totally > dead, so I guess that means it just plain gave up the > ghost. Know what? I called lookin for a new battery, and > they said it was $100! For a BATTERY. A stupid, nuthin > battery! So, here's my question for all you battery > techies. Next spring Im gettin rid of the small bike, but > NOT the Sporty. The sporty has a good battery on it, but it > IS a couple of years old. Are batteries exchangeable? I > mean.. if I take the battery off of the Sporty, can I put > IT in the little bike and then get a NEW battery for the > Sporty? The bike Im KEEPING? Puttin a brand new battery in > somethin that I AINT gonna be hardly ridin at ALL anymore > and then as soon as it starts gettin warm Im gonna be > SELLIN it for hardly NUTHIN (old bikes GET hardly nuthin) > just riles me. > > Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 12:00:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11085; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15790; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from urchin.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28444; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from dclink.com by urchin.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07589; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:58:37 -0500 (EST) X-ROUTED: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:51:32 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: CKeyser Received: from 24-charlie [207.168.31.24] by dclink.com with smtp id ALDDAPEJ ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:51:16 -0500 From: "Ckeyser" To: "DC Motorcycle Club" Subject: battery Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:57:52 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCE918.E12AD9A0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.608.5076@207.168.31.24 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCE918.E12AD9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You could also go to Sam's club or Price club (costo rico?) I picked one up pretty cheap there for my girlfriends Yamaha 400 and it was about 40 or 50 dollars. Ck Choose your weapon............... RF600R http://www.dclink.com/ckeyser/motor.htm ------=_NextPart_000_01BCE918.E12AD9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_01BCE918.E12AD9A0-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 12:24:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11482; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16062; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:24:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29258; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:24:03 -0500 (EST) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA22998 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:23:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:23:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971104122019_492874034@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: battery charge In a message dated 97-11-04 10:21:08 EST, MEIERCH@XXXXXX writes: > $100 seems awful high for a battery to me. My RF900 needed one a year > or so back, (I killed it, don't ask :-) and it was only about $65.00. > Got it at Cycle Sport Springfield. > I've been getting batteries at Pep Boys for $30 to $40. Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 12:48:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11827; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:48:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16436; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from kilcody.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00154; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.kilcody.com ([10.128.0.110]) by GKCATL01.kilcody.com with ESMTP id <19635>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:39:17 -0500 Received: by mail.kilcody.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:49:03 -0500 From: "Slawson, Kurt" To: 2xracers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles Subject: Re: come out, come out, whoever you are Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:44:00 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <97Nov4.123917est.19635@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Anita, what are you doing with your XT350? Keeping, selling, or trading? On a more general note, I'd be interested in hearing any stories from folks about buying a used bike from a dealer vs. an owner. (I've read all the posts about test rides, etc. I'm wondering about things like price, mechanical problems, etc.) ---------- From: 2xracers@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: come out, come out, whoever you are Date: Monday, November 03, 1997 10:33PM On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:33:42 -0500, wrote: >Hey, y'all-- > >Anita got me thinking...... that doesn't happen often! ;-) Yikes! I did that? I guess I've got to be more careful in the future!! :) >Really, though, the only dumb question is the one that doesn't get >asked, and I think almost everyone here would agree. At least the 30% of >us who speak up. So please say something. Well, I may not post often to dc-cycles, but I have always been pleasantly surprised by the great responses I've gotten! I'd probably post more if I actually *rode* more... which is something I intend to remedy this week (by buying a Nighthawk 750). Then I'll have all sorts of questions... Okay, here's one.... my XT350 has a kickstarter only, so I'm happy to be moving up to an electric starter. How long do you have to ride to keep the battery fully charged? I plan on riding to work at least on Fridays (casual day!), and my commute is probably 15-20 minutes each way. Will this keep the battery up to snuff? BTW, in case anyone is wondering my email address of "2xracers" is not in any way related to motorcycle racing... I have two retired racing greyhounds. For the curious, Daisy and Vicky have a web page at www.mnsinc.com/2xracers. Maybe they'll let me put up a picture of my new bike! :) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 13:16:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12373; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:16:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17022; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:16:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01062; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27986; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from BERGIE.PARAGON ([207.152.132.67] (may be forged)) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17565; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:15:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199711041815.NAA17565@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: Cc: "DC Cycles" , "Rich & Janet" , "Lester Gilley" , "David Yates" , "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: SKYLINE NEXT WEEKEND Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:09:20 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Will do, I will send out the word and see what kind of responses I get. I know for a fact that I am available both days for an all-day trip. Let's see who else is available ---------- > From: AWheat@XXXXXX > To: bergie@XXXXXX > Subject: Ride plans... > Date: Monday, November 03, 1997 3:31 PM > > Hey Bergie, > > You mentioned wanting to do a Skyline ride this weekend. If you still want > to, I could arrange a group ride to do the route I told you about. Let me > know as soon as you can. > > Alan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 13:20:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12434; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17294; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:20:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01205; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA17915; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:19:39 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711041819.MAA17915@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Received: from vna-va17-46.ix.netcom.com(207.223.179.238) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017876; Tue Nov 4 12:19:22 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:19:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: El Nino Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <971103180333_1015034662@emout04.mail.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) > From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:27:53 -0500 (EST) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Slippity slip. > In a message dated 97-11-03 you write: > > Not to mention the fact that, due to El Nino, we'll either have a > very mild winter or a *really* bad one...has anyone heard the > latest predictions on what this winter is supposed to be like in > the D.C. area? According to the folks at http://www.intellicast.com/drdew/library/ : MID-ATLANTIC STATES (Maryland, Delaware, Virginia, West Virginia) El Nino West winters tend to be colder than normal and wetter than normal in this region. This region has had below normal temperatures in 5, and above normal precipitation in 6 of the 7 El Nino West winters since 1950. Some big snowfalls have occurred here too (January 1964, December 1969, January and February 1978, February 1983, January 1993). Washington, Baltimore, Elkins (WV) have all averaged above normal snowfall in 5 of the 7 El Nino West winters. Our forecast for this region thus is a relatively wet winter with above normal snowfall, maybe a big snowstorm (or two). Temperatures will probably average near to below normal From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 13:32:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12634; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17604; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01509; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:31:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id NAA555.36; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:30:28 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971104012246.009051d0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 01:22:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Slippity slip. In-Reply-To: <345F3F74.1E68@mci.com> References: <971103174200_1346615706@emout03.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Yeah, I saw this one coming through the rear view mirror, there was >nothing I could do... If I was on my bike, I might have been able >to avoid it, but only if I would have stopped with my front wheel >pointing in a safe direction (i.e. not directly behind the cage in >front of me) so I could gas and go. Gotta remember to do this all >the time. You should tell this tale the next time someone tells you about "Uncle Andy who wrecked on a bike so no one in the family will ever ride." Sounds like the car you were in helped cause the damage. Dangerous, them cars. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 13:34:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12715; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:34:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17653; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:34:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01594; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA09987; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:33:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA19659; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:33:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from chan4377 ([166.32.114.127]) by omss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971104183345.UAM599@[166.32.114.127]>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:33:45 -0600 Message-ID: <345F6A88.1ED@mci.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 13:33:44 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Slawson, Kurt" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Buying Used Bikes References: <97Nov4.123917est.19635@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Slawson, Kurt wrote: > On a more general note, I'd be interested in hearing any stories > from folks about buying a used bike from a dealer vs. an owner. (I've > read all the posts about test rides, etc. I'm wondering about things > like price, mechanical problems, etc.) > Kurt, Well, I've bought 4 bikes in the last 1.5 years, and I've never bought from a dealer. Got one from a yard sale. One from an answer to an email I sent out looking for a specific bike. One from a newspaper ad. (That was the only one that ever gave me problems, coincidently. I sold it after posting a for sale ad on this list (btw, how's it running, Garcia?)). My wife found it's replacement at Motorcycle Shopper Online or something like that on the Web. I've never paid more than $1 per cc, and I've got 3 fairly decent reliable motorcycles that I can play with. Then again, I typically pay the purchase price again fixing things that need it (tires, batteries, seats, chains, filters, etc.) I'm also fair with a wrench and I'm not afraid of jumping in and learning how to fix something. Dealer prices for used bikes range from double to triple what I would consider paying, but they seem to be better equipped initially. Dale (the Horkster) 76 Kawasaki KZ 400 ($300 yard sale special, still loads of fun) 82 Yamaha Virago 750 ($700 - rolled the dice and lost) 78 Kawasaki KZ LTD 1000 ($835, just what I was looking for) 87 Suzuki Savage 650 ($500 - a wonderful bike, an incredible buy) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 13:36:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12759; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:36:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17669; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01629; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id NAA555.70; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:35:32 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971104013310.00947e30@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 01:33:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: El Nino In-Reply-To: <199711041819.MAA17915@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> References: <971103180333_1015034662@emout04.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >According to the folks at http://www.intellicast.com/drdew/library/ : > >MID-ATLANTIC STATES (Maryland, Delaware, Virginia, West Virginia) > > El Nino West winters tend to be colder than normal and wetter > than normal in this region. This region has had below normal > temperatures in 5, and above normal precipitation in 6 of the 7 > El Nino West winters since 1950. > > Some big snowfalls have occurred here too (January 1964, December > 1969, January and February 1978, February 1983, January 1993). > Washington, Baltimore, Elkins (WV) have all averaged above normal > snowfall in 5 of the 7 El Nino West winters. > > Our forecast for this region thus is a relatively wet winter with > above normal snowfall, maybe a big snowstorm (or two). > Temperatures will probably average near to below normal So, I wonder if I can put tire chains on my sidecar rig. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 13:55:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13058; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18053; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:55:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02242; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:51:38 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:49:15 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Unlurking Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway One reason for not responding to messages on the DC Cycles list is that most of the subject headers are simply RE: messages which, if read, usually contain a lot of conversational trash; i.e. "Slippity Slip". Who wants to be bored by all that. There's enough interesting postings to keep me subscribed, but I can't follow every thread, even though it may be entertaining. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 14:48:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13760; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:48:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20082; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03828; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 14:21:07 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 14:20:30 -0500 From: Sandy TRIOLO To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unlurking >>> Bill Adams complains, rightly, on 11/04 1:49 PM >>> >>One reason for not responding to messages on the DC Cycles list is that most of the subject headers are simply RE: >> messages which, if read, usually contain a lot of conversational trash; i.e. "Slippity Slip". Who wants to be bored >>by all that. I agree with Bill, many times I check the begining of a thead and when it seems not so interesting, I just start deleting them everytime I see the subject header. Of course I look for parties and ride announcements, but so far I haven't been able to make any. : ( As for the weather, I've been delinquent on my riding lately so I moved the Virago and the Hurricane into my mudd room yesterday, it now looks like a parking lot. I didn't want to pay for storage this year. Anyone want to help dismantel the Virago this winter? It needs a muffler, brake lines, front calipers rebuilt, wheels pulled for checking the axels and wheel bearings and getting new tires. Of course if you help take it apart you have to help put it together! (This always comes with free beer) While I'm on the subject the Hurricane has one spark plug I can't get out and the VTR needs the front forks pulled... thats it, really. I live in Silver Spring right at the beltway.... sandy 87 Honda Hurricane 600F 85 Virago 1000 89 VTR 250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 15:32:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14459; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22204; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:32:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pantheon-po01.its.yale.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05432; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from Yale.cis.yale.edu (usr8-dialup51.mix2.Boston.mci.net [166.55.68.243]) by pantheon-po01.its.yale.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA29784 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:37:07 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCE937.82503960.donald.braman@yale.edu> From: Donald Braman Reply-To: "donald.braman@XXXXXX" To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: digest version of this list Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:37:04 -0500 Organization: Yale University X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a digest version of this list? It's great, but I can't handle this many messages. -Don ________________ Donald Braman donald.braman@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 15:59:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16202; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:59:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22414; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:59:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06663; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:59:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id PAA03949 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:59:26 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma003926; Tue, 4 Nov 97 15:59:02 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id PAA05233; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA878676984; Tue, 04 Nov 97 15:56:25 -0500 Message-Id: <9711048786.AA878676984@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 97 15:53:46 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re: digest version of this list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dang, this list overwhelming? I must be a nerd - I typically receive 2-300 messages (all lists digested that I can). Sorry, no.. this list cannot be switched to Digest mode... Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: digest version of this list Author: "donald.braman@XXXXXX" at smtplink-micros Date: 11/4/97 3:37 PM Is there a digest version of this list? It's great, but I can't handle this many messages. -Don From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 16:04:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17015; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:04:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22493; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06870; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from emout33.mail.aol.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25466; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:04:49 -0500 (EST) From: AWheat@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout33.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA24191 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:03:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:03:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971104154354_1669426961@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SKYLINE Motorcycle Group Ride on 11/19/97. Hey fellow DC Cycles folks, Here is an invitation to my next group ride: INVITATION TO NEXT RIDE This is an invitation for you to join us this Sunday, November 9th, for the SKYLINE motorcycle group ride. If you would be interested in riding with the group, please reply to AWheat@XXXXXX ASAP or just show up at the beginning of the ride. Those of you who would like a map of the route, please notify me by Thursday of this week and I'll make extra copies to distribute at the beginning of the ride. Read on for more information. ABOUT THE RIDE This ride covers the southern 70 miles of Skyline Drive and many other roads along the way which lead through farming areas and wooded foothills. This time, the foliage should still be colorful in the first one hundred miles of the ride. The group usually returns to the Metro area around 6pm, so bring an alternative to the tinted visor for after dark. The route we take covers roughly 250 miles. There are plenty of gas stations along the way and we stop to take periodic breaks. Note that Skyline Drive can be ten to fifteen degrees cooler than our elevation, so plan accordingly to ensure your relative comfort. I designed the route and have traveled it several times over the past few years. It is an excellent day trip for motorcyclists, but can seem a little lengthy to some. Much of the route, not just Skyline Drive, is scenic as well as slightly challenging with its curvy roads. This ride always receives positive reviews from those who have attended. Skyline Drive has a $5 fee to enter. WHERE TO MEET FOR THE NEXT RIDE The group will meet for breakfast at 8:30am in Manassas at the Old Country Buffet restaurant. For those who aren't interested in eating breakfast there, we will be leaving at 9am. The all-you-can-eat breakfast buffet costs $6.19 plus tax. From I-66, take exit 47A (Manassas - route 234/Sudley Road south) and proceed for about one mile. Turn left into Westgate shopping center (look for Giant and Long John Silvers restaurant). If you have any questions, please email me. I hope to see you all there. Thanks, Alan R. Wheat AWheat@XXXXXX http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 16:40:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18978; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22843; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:40:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09041; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from earthlink.net (ip77.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.77]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29851; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:40:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <345EED95.1A454EAA@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 04:40:37 -0500 From: "R. K. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, donald.braman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: digest version of this list References: <9711048786.AA878676984@smtplink.micros.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian McCoy wrote: > Dang, this list overwhelming? I must be a nerd - I typically receive > 2-300 messages (all lists digested that I can). Sorry, no.. this list > cannot be switched to Digest mode... Why not? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 16:40:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18986; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:40:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22857; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:40:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09065; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA11225; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:39:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1b.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA02387; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:39:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from chan4377 ([166.32.114.127]) by nmss1b.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971104213952.WKE4123@[166.32.114.127]>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:39:52 -0500 Message-ID: <345F9627.6C81@mci.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:39:51 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Tracy Horstman , Nathan Horstman , Richard Horstman , Chris Compy Subject: More on Tyson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Tyson goes down!!! Date: Tue Nov 4 15:53:19 1997 TYSON TO ENTER ROAD RACING By Ohlin Metzeler Fairfield CT (UPI) Former Heavyweight World Champion, convicted rapist, and cartilaginous carnivore "Iron" Mike Tyson has decided to trade in his boxing gloves for Kushitanis and start racing motorcycles, announced his new manager and hair-color consultant Keith Code. "Mike's putting that ugly crashing incident behind him, and under my tutelage he's going to start kicking some serious ass on the racetrack," explained Code. The "crashing incident" Code referred to was a low-speed getoff outside of Hartford last week. According to Tyson, another motorcycle came into his lane and head-butted his Luis Farrakan-replica helmet. This enraged the former champ, who attempted to retaliate by hurling his Honda CBR-Fourex at the assailant. "Somehow I got all tangled up in my handlebars, and my motorbike body punched me," lisped a squeaky Tyson from his helium-filled isolation tank. "I get off the ground, and I get a cowapsed lung and ticket. Now everybody thinks I can't wide. I can so wide!" Tyson was in fact cited for riding without a motorcycle license, although a further charge of riding like a total dweeb was later dropped. "I not having a good year here," Tyson lamented, his strange wheezy lung making him sound like a cross between Pee Wee Herman and Darth Vader. "First Evander Holycow sticks his big fat ear in my mouth and I get in twouble, and now this cwap. Evwebody be dissing the champ. It ain't fair." Tyson, who owns the second largest private collection Of motorcycles in North America behind Nick Ienastch, is trying to talk the AMA into letting him enter his Gold Wing trike in Superbike competition. "I like it better than that stupid CB thing," explained Tyson. "It don't fall over near as much, and it's got a stereo. I'll show all those skinny little racer boys a thing or two." Sponsorship for Tyson's Team is pending. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 18:04:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20353; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:04:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25903; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:03:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11334; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.80]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA16639; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:03:23 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Slawson, Kurt" , <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "dc-cycles" Subject: buying used bikes Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:00:57 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971104230322.AAA16639@default> Kurt- I'll try not to be too conversational, so Bill doesn't have to delete this..... ;-) I've bought (or been involved with buying) 6 bikes, I think. One from a dealer, two from friends, one from a friend of a friend, one from my (now ex-)girlfriend, one from her uncle, two from strangers. That doesn't add up, 'cause I bought two twice. The only one I wasn't happy with was the one from the uncle. Actually, it was free, but he bought it back for what I spent to fix it. The one from the dealer was my 92 VFR. You want to know about price? I bought it for $1000 below book due to high mileage, put 10000 more miles on it and sold it for book two years later. A net cost of $200 to own that bike. The 87 VFR was bought from a stranger for my girlfriend. She wanted it bad, and paid a bit more than she should have, but was happy. It caused some strain on our relationship when I bought it from her because I told her when she got it the price was high, and I wouldn't pay more than it was worth when I bought it from her. Her 78 CB550 came from a stranger. It didn't run when I got there. Removed and cleaned the carbs in his driveway. Got it running. Did I get a price break? Nope. What a big dummy. It was a little overpriced too, but she had to have it. See a pattern here? My dealer experience was satisfactory. The guy on the phone didn't tell me to bring pay stubs for financing, and I drove 2 hours to get there. I put it on my credit card instead. That's the only problem. They sent me a cool T-shirt for my birthday. My brother in law had no trouble with Cycles USA when he bought his current bike, and got a great price on a real nice bike. That's about it. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 00:54:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25265; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:54:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01017; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:54:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18680; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA05664; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:50:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:45:39 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: battery charge To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199711041414.JAA13468@smtp2.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Squeakers wrote: > ghost. Know what? I called lookin for a new battery, and > they said it was $100! For a BATTERY. A stupid, nuthin > battery! Don't feel bad.The battery in my Buell died last Dec when the bike was only 7 months old.Went to get a new one and found out they were putting crappy little 12AH batteries in S1's(HD Sportys have 20AH's) so I'd get another wimpy one which would die over the winter.Said screw it,went to Interstate Batteries and got a good sealed Yuasa 18AH(for $85) and haven't had a prob since. > So, here's my question for all you battery > techies. Next spring Im gettin rid of the small bike, but > NOT the Sporty. The sporty has a good battery on it, but it > IS a couple of years old. Are batteries exchangeable? Depends on the size and AH(amphere-hour) rating.I went from a 12AH to an 18AH on my Buell.I had to modify the battery tray and strap for the new battery because it was slightly bigger,but the rating was ok cause Sportster motors usually run 20AH's. Check the rating of your small bike's battery.If it's substantaily less than the Sporty's,the charging system might not be able to handle it. Personally,if you're going to sell it,I'd just get a cheapo from Kmart and keep it on a Battery Tender(a good investment anyway).And get a good battery for the Sporty.It's a good-sized,long stroke motor and will need some juice to turn it over properly.My Buell starts _much_ easier w/the 18AH than it did w/the 12. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 00:58:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25288; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01036; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:58:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18744; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA05675; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:52:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:50:15 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: El Nino To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971104013310.00947e30@204.194.180.21> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Chris Norloff wrote: > So, I wonder if I can put tire chains on my sidecar rig. Why not rig up the sidecar wheel so it's powered like the Urals do? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 08:07:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28292; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:07:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03969; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23682; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA18948 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:06:39 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma018885; Wed, 5 Nov 97 08:06:08 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA18466 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA878734989; Wed, 05 Nov 97 08:03:29 -0500 Message-Id: <9711058787.AA878734989@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 97 08:02:29 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re[2]: digest version of this list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I beleive Harry would be the best person to answer that (List Admin.) - but from what I can remember, this is a manulay operated list - someone would have to sit and cut-N-paste all the posts into one email then send that out. And really, for all practical purposes this list isn't very busy. I've been following it for a little over a year now and it's gotten steady - but not busy. This completely depends on your individual prefrence though. Anyone else? Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: digest version of this list Author: "R. K. Dow" at smtplink-micros Date: 11/4/97 4:40 AM Brian McCoy wrote: > Dang, this list overwhelming? I must be a nerd - I typically receive > 2-300 messages (all lists digested that I can). Sorry, no.. this list > cannot be switched to Digest mode... Why not? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 08:47:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28621; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:47:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04221; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from lms02.us1.ibm.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24327; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from d04lms03.raleigh.ibm.com by lms02.us1.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA08270; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:50:01 GMT Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU033 id 5040300007886980; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:46:35 -0500 From: Tom Knapik To: Cc: Subject: Re: BATTERY TENDERS was: battery charge Message-Id: <5040300007886980000002L002*@MHS> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:46:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Tell me more about Battery Tenders............... where can I get one, how much do they cost, do they really save your battery from frying? Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 gnissley@XXXXXX on 11-05-97 01:37:48 AM Please respond to gnissley@XXXXXX @ internet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX @ internet cc: Subject: Re: BATTERY TENDERS was: battery charge On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Squeakers wrote: > ghost. Know what? I called lookin for a new battery, and > they said it was $100! For a BATTERY. A stupid, nuthin > battery! Don't feel bad.The battery in my Buell died last Dec when the bike was only 7 months old.Went to get a new one and found out they were putting crappy little 12AH batteries in S1's(HD Sportys have 20AH's) so I'd get another wimpy one which would die over the winter.Said screw it,went to Interstate Batteries and got a good sealed Yuasa 18AH(for $85) and haven't had a prob since. > So, here's my question for all you battery > techies. Next spring Im gettin rid of the small bike, but > NOT the Sporty. The sporty has a good battery on it, but it > IS a couple of years old. Are batteries exchangeable? Depends on the size and AH(amphere-hour) rating.I went from a 12AH to an 18AH on my Buell.I had to modify the battery tray and strap for the new battery because it was slightly bigger,but the rating was ok cause Sportster motors usually run 20AH's. Check the rating of your small bike's battery.If it's substantaily less than the Sporty's,the charging system might not be able to handle it. Personally,if you're going to sell it,I'd just get a cheapo from Kmart and keep it on a Battery Tender(a good investment anyway).And get a good battery for the Sporty.It's a good-sized,long stroke motor and will need some juice to turn it over properly.My Buell starts _much_ easier w/the 18AH than it did w/the 12. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 09:06:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28840; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04700; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:06:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24743; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:06:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s52.erols.com [207.172.110.52]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA19291 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:10:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711051410.JAA19291@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:08:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BATTERY TENDERS was: battery charge Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <5040300007886980000002L002*@MHS> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Tell me more about Battery Tenders............... where can I get one, how > much do they cost, do they really save your battery from frying? > me too! me too! :) Battery tender is a new one on me. Ok. Took the battery off and tried to charge it (as was suggested) and nope. He's dead. Gone. Finished. I like the idea of getting an el cheapo for the small bike, and a really good one for the Sporty, so..guess that's what Ill do. Thanks to all for suggesting I try somewhere else to find a battery. I was thinkin that the only place I could find one to fit a bike was at a bike shop. Duh for me, huh? Walmart and Pep Boys here I come. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 10:02:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29637; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:02:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05790; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin43.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26563; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:01:54 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin43.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA02215; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:01:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:01:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971105092811_161014869@mrin43.mail.aol.com> To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: battery charge Sorry, Squeakers the batteries in the Rebel and the Sportster are very different in size. Battery boxes in most m/c's will usually accept only the proper physical sized battery. But the YB9L-B battery in the CMX250 should not retail for $100, even a Yuasa brand. The YB9L-B is getting to be a popular battery, so Sears or Trac Auto may stock it. If not, go to closest bike shop and ask them to order you a Bikemaster battery from Tucker/Rocky. They are good products and cheap. By the way, push starting a m/c with a dead battery has a low success rate for two reasons: when the first cold snaps kills a marginal battery (my '93 Chevy truck battery gave up last week after the first cold night), because the specific gravity of the acid in the bat has changed for the worse it doesn't want to keep a good charge (12.25v). two; most m/c charging systems don't reach their full capacity until the engine is reving 1800-2400rpm, so if the bike stalls, bat is still dead. Sorry. Winterize the Rebel, don't buy a battery until you are ready to ride next year, because if you don't ride this winter or keep the bat charged every 2-4 weeks, in 5 months, another dead battery. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 10:09:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29722; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:09:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05891; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:09:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26851; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:09:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA12347 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:08:56 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711051508.JAA12347@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> Received: from vna-va11-13.ix.netcom.com(207.223.177.205) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma012280; Wed Nov 5 09:08:29 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:08:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BATTERY TENDERS was: battery charge Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199711051410.JAA19291@smtp1.erols.com> References: <5040300007886980000002L002*@MHS> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) > > Tell me more about Battery Tenders............... where can I get one, how > > much do they cost, do they really save your battery from frying? > > > me too! me too! :) Battery tender is a new one on me. "Battery Tender" is a brand name for a one of a group of products that try to match the charge being provided to the battery to the state of charge of the battery -- more charge when the battery is low and no charge when the battery is fully charged. Unlike trickle chargers they are "smart" and shut down when not needed to avoid cooking off the battery fluid. Like trickle chargers they charge at a low rate (1/2 - 1 amp) and thus they aren't the preferred way to charge a flat battery but they work well when, for example, the bike is going to be laid up for weeks or a few months. Depending on brand they sell for $25 on up. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 10:18:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29810; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05999; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27117; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:18:39 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256546.00542295 ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:18:58 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: squeakers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256546.0053BAAE.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:18:55 -0400 Subject: Ripoff Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >But the YB9L-B battery in the CMX250 should not retail for $100, even >a Yuasa brand. The YB9L-B is getting to be a popular battery, so Sears >or Trac Auto may stock it. Squeakers what shop quoted you a price of $100 for this battery. It sounds like a place that should be avoided at all costs. Supporting your local dealers is one thing. Supporting highway bandits like this is quite another. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 10:48:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00471; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06587; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28022; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:48:49 -0500 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01E15A83@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: BATTERY TENDERS was: battery charge Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:45:51 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) OK, I'll tell you about them. Motorcycles just like cars have lead acid batteries. Lead acid batteries liked to be used, not sit around. When they sit around they don't work as well because they are not being charged. Every day your battery sits there it basically discharges. A normal battery charger is good if you watch it all the time (put it on and take it off) but if left on too long can overcharge your battery. A battery tender maintains a certain level of charge on your battery without over charging it. The brand name "battery tenders" go for about $45 mail order and about $5 -$10 more locally. I have found another company that makes the same type product for about $29 -$39. I can't tell you whether or not they really work yet but I will let you know if my battery makes it past the 1.5 year mark in the next year or so. As I posted before, I have a Car (or bike for that matter) battery FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) in MS Word 6.0 format for anyone that wants it. It tells you everything you want to know about lead acid batteries. If you want a copy, e-mail me directly and I'll send it to you. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Tell me more about Battery Tenders............... where can I get > one, how > much do they cost, do they really save your battery from frying? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 11:08:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00764; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:08:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07151; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:08:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28732; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA04932; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:07:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:07:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711051607.KAA04932@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> Received: from tam-fl13-05.ix.netcom.com(199.183.198.229) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004900; Wed Nov 5 10:06:53 1997 From: viper655@XXXXXX (Dr.Robert A. Harms) Subject: RE: BATTERY TENDERS was: battery charge To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You wrote: > >OK, I'll tell you about them. Motorcycles just like cars have lead acid >batteries. Lead acid batteries liked to be used, not sit around. When >they sit around they don't work as well because they are not being >charged. Every day your battery sits there it basically discharges. > >A normal battery charger is good if you watch it all the time (put it on >and take it off) but if left on too long can overcharge your battery. A >battery tender maintains a certain level of charge on your battery >without over charging it. The brand name "battery tenders" go for about >$45 mail order and about $5 -$10 more locally. I have found another >company that makes the same type product for about $29 -$39. I can't >tell you whether or not they really work yet but I will let you know if >my battery makes it past the 1.5 year mark in the next year or so. > >As I posted before, I have a Car (or bike for that matter) battery FAQ >(Frequently Asked Questions) in MS Word 6.0 format for anyone that wants >it. It tells you everything you want to know about lead acid batteries. >If you want a copy, e-mail me directly and I'll send it to you. > >Glenn Dysart >DysarGB@XXXXXX > >84 V30 Magna > >> Tell me more about Battery Tenders............... where can I get >> one, how >> much do they cost, do they really save your battery from frying? >> > Ive seen these but they seem expensive and if you have more than one or two bikes... Elecrical question: small plug in chargers for calculators etc etc are all over the place in both 6 and 12 volt with low milliamp specifications ( I see bins of them at electronics salvage places) at super cheap prices $ 2.00-4.00. Couldnt you use one of these, hook it up and forget it if the charge rate was more or less equal to the parasitic losses of the battery sitting ?? Doc Black Shadow (of the real persuasion) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 11:11:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00824; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:11:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07219; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:11:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28799; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA09810 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCE9DB.9610BC00@XXXXXX>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:11:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" , "'RDWOODJR@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: battery charge Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:05:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK. So to take it a bit further ... What's everybody's opinion on the Maintenance free batteries? I replaced the one in my RF with a Maint Free and it has been great. Course I ride all year and it never sits for more than two or three days at a time. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX[SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 10:01 AM >To: squeakers@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: battery charge > >Sorry, Squeakers the batteries in the Rebel and the Sportster are very >different in size. Battery boxes in most m/c's will usually accept only the >proper physical sized battery. But the YB9L-B battery in the CMX250 should >not retail for $100, even a Yuasa brand. The YB9L-B is getting to be a >popular battery, so Sears or Trac Auto may stock it. If not, go to closest >bike shop and ask them to order you a Bikemaster battery from Tucker/Rocky. --snip-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 11:28:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01161; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:28:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08090; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:28:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29393; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA16850; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:27:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA20221; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:27:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971105162749.BPPH452@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:27:49 -0600 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:17 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Brian McCoy" CC: Subject: Re: Re[2]: digest version of this list X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971105162749.BPPH452@[166.41.242.141]> Brian McCoy wrote: I beleive Harry would be the best person to answer that (List Admin.) - but from what I can remember, this is a manulay operated list - someone would have to sit and cut-N-paste all the posts into one email then send that out. And really, for all practical purposes this list isn't very busy. I've been following it for a little over a year now and it's gotten steady - but not busy. This completely depends on your individual prefrence though. Anyone else? Agreed. This list has a steady flow of messages that can be cycled in about 20 minutes if you concentrate. Other lists I've been on have dropped more than 100 msgs a day. God forbid I go away for a weekend. Back in June while on 5 seperate un-digested lists...800 msgs in one weekend..DOH! Anyway, the comments I've been watching about the conversational aspect of this list as opposed to say, just MOTO related technical exchange, got me thinking about the nature of this list. On Carl Paukstis' list of available motorcycles related lists DC-Cycles reads: DC-CYCLES: DESCRIPTION: D.C. Area bikers list - various topics DIGEST AVAILABLE? No ADMIN ADDRESS: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX TO SUBSCRIBE: Processed by a human - INCLUDE YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS! LIST OWNER: harry@XXXXXX WWW URL: http://www.cs.umd.edu/~harry/dc-cycles/ I think that about sums it up. This list is intended for Washington D.C. area bikers (motorcyclists for you sensitive types) as a forum for various moto-topics. There are others out there _not_ from or living in the DC area, and that's ok too. If we sound conversational, it's because we've gotten to know some of the people on the list both socially, personally, and have even been on rides with each other. I don't think that's a bad thing. In fact, it's one of the reasons I subscribed. I wanted to meet people in the DC area with similar interests. Kevin's call to lurkers was (i think) a call to be involved. DC-Cycles is a good resource of moto-info, and presumably the people that subscribe have an interest in motorcycles. If we get a little talky it probably doesn't mean anything, just shows we're people and not just bikers. My .02 Todd ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: digest version of this list Author: "R. K. Dow" at smtplink-micros Date: 11/4/97 4:40 AM Brian McCoy wrote: > Dang, this list overwhelming? I must be a nerd - I typically receive > 2-300 messages (all lists digested that I can). Sorry, no.. this list > cannot be switched to Digest mode... Why not? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 12:26:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02458; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10207; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01816; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:25:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA17280; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:19:30 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711051719.LAA17280@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Received: from vna-va12-28.ix.netcom.com(207.223.178.92) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017203; Wed Nov 5 11:18:49 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: viper655@XXXXXX (Dr.Robert A. Harms), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:19:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: BATTERY TENDERS was: battery charge Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199711051607.KAA04932@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) > > > Ive seen these but they seem expensive and if you have more than one > or two bikes... > > Elecrical question: small plug in chargers for calculators etc etc > are all over the place in both 6 and 12 volt with low milliamp > specifications ( I see bins of them at electronics salvage places) > at super cheap prices $ 2.00-4.00. Couldnt you use one of these, > hook it up and forget it if the charge rate was more or less equal > to the parasitic losses of the battery sitting ?? No reason that they wouldn't work. Probably more a matter of how much do you want to tinker with it. The Deltran battery tender (The "official" Battery Tender) as I recall charges at a variable rate of 1200 (1600?) ma to 600 ma and then shuts down until the battery needs to be recharged. The power supply I just looked at (to a modem) puts out a constant 500 ma so it would be in the ball park in terms of charging rate. The beauty of the smart chargers is that they monitor the progress of the charge and adjust the process to fit the particular status of the battery. (Even then, Deltran suggests checking the fluid level every couple of weeks -- so you don't totally forget it.) No reason a constant amperage unit wouldn't do the job but the problem would be determining how big a charger to hook up to a particular battery to just balance the loss. Of course, that level of charge (just equal to the rate of discharge) wouldn't do anything to restore the battery from whatever state of discharge it was in when the unit was hooked to it so you'd probably want to use another unit to bring the battery up to full charge. For what it is worth, some of the others on the market include OptiMate, Kriss, and my favorite, the Battery Pal. It is $21.95 at Overton's, a mail-order marine outfit. Their number is 1-800-334-6541. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 12:28:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02505; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:28:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10253; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:28:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01924; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id MAA057.64; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:28:50 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971104235525.00940c60@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 23:55:25 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: BATTERY TENDERS was: battery charge In-Reply-To: <199711051607.KAA04932@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Ive seen these but they seem expensive and if you have more than one or >two bikes... Then just rotate the Battery Tender from bike to bike. Attach the included quick-connect pigtail, or just plug it into your electric vest outlet. >Elecrical question: small plug in chargers for calculators etc etc >are all over the place in both 6 and 12 volt with low milliamp >specifications >( I see bins of them at electronics salvage places) at super cheap >prices $ 2.00-4.00. Couldnt you use one of these, hook it up and >forget it if the charge rate was more or less equal to the parasitic >losses of the battery sitting ?? I guess so, if you understand batteries that well. Once the battery is charged, additional charging merely depletes the water. If you cycle the charger (with a timer, for instance) be warned that some cheap chargers allow the battery to discharge if the charger is connected to the battery but is not powered. I killed a battery that way. The main advantage of Battery Tender type devices is that they adjust the charge -- the brand name Battery Tender charges at a max of 1.25 amps, and much lower when the battery is charged (they still recommend checking the battery water every 2 weeks if you leave the Battery Tender on all the time). For myself, my batteries never need water during the winter, and always need water during the summer (lower electrical usage, more riding, and warmer temperatures). Battery Tender is the best thing I've found in my 12 years of riding to ensure the battery is always topped up. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 13:53:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04049; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12192; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:52:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05041; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s52.erols.com [207.172.110.52]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA20282; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:57:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711051857.NAA20282@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:55:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: battery charge Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <971105092811_161014869@mrin43.mail.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > By the way, push starting a m/c with a dead battery has a low success rate > for two reasons: when the first cold snaps kills a marginal battery (my '93 The GOOD thing is that since its a SMALL bike, its EASY to push start. Just sit, push and pop the clutch. VOILA! Im on my way! :) I know, I know. Not a very responsible way to ride. No lights on with a dead battery..etcetc. But it was a SHORT ride, in FULL daylight and I HADDA get out or I woulda gone crazy and gone postal on the world. i have NO idea how Im gonna survive the winter. None. Zero. At least, and remain sane. Well.. you know. *MY* kinda sane. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 14:09:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04603; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12443; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05721; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh-ppp.clark.net (pooh-ppp.clark.net [168.143.1.54]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA05796 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:09:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971105141226.007fe100@mail.clark.net> X-Sender: pooh@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 14:12:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Tire temps? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:57 PM 11/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >At 10:05 PM 11/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >> >>A warm tire in winter isn't going to get as warm as a cold tire in summer, >>no matter how you cut it -- unless you're burning out at every stoplight. >> >>So, tires have less grip in winter, period. > >I find that very surprising. Do you have any data on that? Actually, no. It was a mental exercise, as you described below, except that I attribute more effect to the ambient temperature and the temp of the ground contact patch. Okay, so now I have to investigate. That's what I get for spouting off an opinion as fact. :) What's the easiest tool to use to measure the temperature of a tire? I'll start a sample, if I can. >For a mental exercise, consider a 1000-lb. bike (with passengers and >luggage) going 200 miles at 70mph non-stop. Those tires would certainly be >stabilized at their operating temperature, and I would be surprised if >ambient air temperature made more than a few degrees of temperature >difference (if any). Tires' heat is mostly from flexing as the tire rolls. MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 14:18:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04993; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12535; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06276; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA11737; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:24:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:24:03 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: BATTERY TENDERS was: battery charge In-Reply-To: <199711051607.KAA04932@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ought to work---but NOT "hook up and forget". It will overcharge your battery. Re Battery Tender: I've had mixed results with mine. On the positive (+) side, it does not cook batteries when I forget to disconnect it---a big improvement, given my attention span. OTOH, it does not fully charge my batteries, for which I still need my old manual charger. This is my second Battery Tender; the first was replaced (promptly and courteously) after it died three years into a 5 year warranty. But would I buy another? Probably not. --garcia On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Dr.Robert A. Harms wrote: > > Elecrical question: small plug in chargers for calculators etc etc > are all over the place in both 6 and 12 volt with low milliamp > specifications > ( I see bins of them at electronics salvage places) at super cheap > prices $ 2.00-4.00. Couldnt you use one of these, hook it up and > forget it if the charge rate was more or less equal to the parasitic > losses of the battery sitting ?? > > Doc > > Black Shadow (of the real persuasion) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 14:24:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05094; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12593; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:23:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06458; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA13410; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:30:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:30:06 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ripoff In-Reply-To: <85256546.0053BAAE.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I agree. But there is such a huge difference in these prices...$100 seems impossible for a YB9L-B---could there be a misunderstanding?. Retail on Taiwan flavor YB9L-B is $26, Yuasa is $43. --garcia On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > > >But the YB9L-B battery in the CMX250 should not retail for $100, even >a > Yuasa brand. The YB9L-B is getting to be a popular battery, so Sears >or > Trac Auto may stock it. > > Squeakers what shop quoted you a price of $100 for this battery. It sounds > like a place that should be avoided at all costs. Supporting your local > dealers is one thing. Supporting highway bandits like this is quite > another. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 15:21:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06490; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13393; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:20:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08692; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA20770 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:18:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCE9FE.61A80EA0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:20:42 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Garcia Oliver'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Ripoff Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:18:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe there was shop labor for installing it, or a towing charge? Squeakers, did you take the bike there to be "looked at" and get an estimate, or was this simply a parts quote? Inquiring minds, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Garcia Oliver[SMTP:garicao@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 2:30 PM >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Ripoff > >I agree. But there is such a huge difference in these >prices...$100 seems impossible for a YB9L-B---could there be a >misunderstanding?. Retail on Taiwan flavor YB9L-B is $26, Yuasa is $43. > >--garcia > >On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > >> >> >But the YB9L-B battery in the CMX250 should not retail for $100, even >a >> Yuasa brand. The YB9L-B is getting to be a popular battery, so Sears >or >> Trac Auto may stock it. >> >> Squeakers what shop quoted you a price of $100 for this battery. It sounds >> like a place that should be avoided at all costs. Supporting your local >> dealers is one thing. Supporting highway bandits like this is quite >> another. >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 15:22:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06509; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13404; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:21:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin41.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08719; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:21:31 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin41.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA20467; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:21:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:21:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971105152100_-156918575@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: MEIERCH@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Batteries & chargers seen thru insider's eyes In a message dated 97-11-05 11:11:26 EST, you write: << OK. So to take it a bit further ... What's everybody's opinion on the Maintenance free batteries? I replaced the one in my RF with a Maint Free and it has been great. Course I ride all year and it never sits for more than two or three days at a time. Later, chris >> Chris, my battery application charts indicate your Rf comes stock with a GRT maintenance free bat; and so does my experience. If fact as of 4 months ago, at least through motorcycle accessory vendors and OEM's, I couldn't find a battery that would fit where your YTX9 belongs. The same deal for late model GSXR's, FZR's, ZX's, & CBR's. And all the jap atv's. And from my dealer research, there are only 6 or so GRT batteries, and the are all sized differently than conventional bats, leaving extra space in the battery box. BUT maintenance free is the way to go if you can. My experience with "The Battery Tender" from customers was pro and con. I prefer to use a 1 amp charger with a quick disconnect lead, every 2-4 weeks for 8-12 hours. That way you can also look the bike over, check the tire pressure, and move it a little to avoid "flat spotting" the tires. By the way gang, if you are not familiar with proper winterization of your ride(s), a good Honda dealer should have for your taking, a guide booklet on the subject. Or, if they are like my last employer, they throw it away hoping to sell you a battery and a carb-clean next spring. I'm not working there anymore. And incidently, they just bought controlling interest in FreeState Cycle. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 15:39:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06984; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:39:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13840; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09540; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s52.erols.com [207.172.110.52]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06073; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:44:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711052044.PAA06073@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'Garcia Oliver'" , "Meier, Christopher" Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:42:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Ripoff Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Maybe there was shop labor for installing it, or a towing charge? > Squeakers, did you take the bike there to be "looked at" and get an > estimate, or was this simply a parts quote? > > Inquiring minds, > chris > Nope. I called em up, said I needed a battery for a Rebel 250, did they have one, he put me on hold, came back and said yep, got one in stock and its $99. He didnt say ANYTHING about installing or labor, and I hadnt asked for that. I just said I needed one, ya got one in stock. I dont NEED a bike shop to put in a battery for me. Thats one of the few things that a HUSBAND is good for! :) Ill call them again and make sure that maybe he didnt read the price wrong. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 17:30:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10075; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:30:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16450; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14299; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin45.mail.aol.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24176; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:29:48 -0500 (EST) From: AWheat@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin45.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA29277 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:18:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:18:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971105101825_1657866619@mrin45.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Update to SKYLINE email... Hello again, First, I wanted to correct the subject line of the SKYLINE email. It should read SKYLINE ride on 11/9/97 (not the 19th). Thanks to those of you who pointed that out. So, it's this Sunday to be correct about it. Second, if any of you are willing to accept a passenger, please let me know. I know of one or two folks who want to ride with us, but don't have bikes. Thanks, Alan R. Wheat AWheat@XXXXXX http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 18:06:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10880; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17070; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15584; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11700; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:06:13 -0500 (EST) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13788; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:06:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:06:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711052306.SAA13788@clark.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Slippity slip. Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:17:05 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Slippity slip. Yar,right.I want to see you go up to a Marine and call him 'soldier' (you would be implying he was in the Army). Yeah I realized my fox-paw just as I hit CTLR-D and sent it but figured, "naw nobody will notice..." - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 18:11:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10953; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17553; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:11:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15700; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:11:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.145]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA18584; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:10:41 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , Cc: Subject: Coleman bought Freestate?!?!?!? Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:08:09 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971105231039.AAA18584@default> Richard- Coleman bought Freestate?!?!?!?!?! Say it isn't so! I've never been to Coleman, but I've heard the stories. Freestate sales dept is the friendliest in town, and their service and parts, while overworked and not real friendly, are competent and honest, it seems. That sucks! Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 18:18:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11042; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17693; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15834; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (rave@XXXXXX [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA12173; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:17:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34611DED.4E7E@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 17:31:25 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dr.Robert A. Harms" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: BATTERY TENDERS was: battery charge References: <199711051607.KAA04932@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dr.Robert A. Harms wrote: > Ive seen these but they seem expensive and if you have more than one or > two bikes... > > Elecrical question: small plug in chargers for calculators etc etc > are all over the place in both 6 and 12 volt with low milliamp > specifications > ( I see bins of them at electronics salvage places) at super cheap > prices $ 2.00-4.00. Couldnt you use one of these, hook it up and > forget it if the charge rate was more or less equal to the parasitic > losses of the battery sitting ?? Hey y'all, Has anyone ever done this? Could it work? Why or why not? J (electronically challenged) K From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 18:22:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11117; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17763; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15938; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.145]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA24939 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:21:57 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: carrying a spare faceshield? Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:19:26 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971105232156.AAA24939@default> Hey, y'all-- I got a new dark shield and a new clear one for my Arai. I have a light tint as well. $84 at Cycles USA for the 2 new ones. They were out of clear, so Steve took one off a new helmet for me. Now I need a way to carry the extra without damaging it. I carry a backpack when it's cool out, and a soft briefcase when it's hot. My bag gets some rough handling, and has textbooks and spiral notebooks in it. I have a separate pocket I can put the shield in, and I'll be careful with the bag, but without some added protection, those shields won't last long. I'll use at least a very soft thick padded bag of some sort, but I'd really like something more rigid, but not a rectangular box. That'd take too much space. Is there something plastic, shield-shaped, and padded I can use? If not, would one of you please invent one by Monday? Like a hard case for sunglasses, but bigger. Thanks Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 18:35:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11387; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18047; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:35:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16420; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (spg-tnt1s54.erols.com [207.172.111.54]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA18619 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:34:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19961105183826.006dcdd0@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 18:38:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: BATTERY TENDERS was: battery charge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Leesburgh battery has a "battery tender" for dirt cheap. Looks nearly identical and performs just as well as the name brand model. John Koh has one and runs it on his Ducati 916 (ducs are known battery killers) and his Aprilla regularly with occasional shots to his other two bikes. I think he said the price was $15 but I'm not sure. He also mentioned that for a bit more they had multiple output units (i.e. hook all the bikes up) He's not on the list, but you can send questions to him via etdowns@XXXXXX Collin (Gixer's battery goin on 4+ years...never seen a charger...I just ride it all year :) _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 19:28:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12342; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20670; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17569; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:23:31 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:27:17 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Carrying visors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Carrying visors Kevin, I've seen an ad in the back of motorcycle magazines for a holster for helmet shields. It slings underneath your arm beneath your jacket (the curve of the visor wraps around your rib cage -- not sure how comfortable this is). Don't reach for it too fast if a policeman pulls you over. Sean '95 F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 19:43:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12471; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21301; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17777; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (spg-tnt1s54.erols.com [207.172.111.54]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA07627; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:41:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19961105194437.00b304ec@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 19:44:37 -0500 To: Sean Sullivan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Carrying visors In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:27 PM 11/5/97 -0500, Sean Sullivan wrote: >Re: Carrying visors > >Kevin, > I've seen an ad in the back of motorcycle magazines for a >holster for helmet shields. It slings underneath your arm >beneath your jacket (the curve of the visor wraps around >your rib cage -- not sure how comfortable this is). Don't >reach for it too fast if a policeman pulls you over. > Sean > '95 F3 > Never carried one myself (I can't stand a dark shield), but I've seen a lot of other guys carrying them in this manner under the arm. Most I've seen don't even need the sling thing...especially if you're in a moree sporty position (VFR)...THe forward lean puts just enough pressure for it to stay in place. Friends said it was comfy... Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 20:32:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA13059; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:32:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA22798; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18586; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA14668 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:11:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3461437A.179A@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:11:39 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: The Sigma BC700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey y'all, I just read about this VF cool gadget on the VF/VFR list <-- VF here is not a modifying phrase ;) It's a little computer made for bicycles, but if individuals on the RR list are to be believed, this is an awesome little toy, which very accurately measures your speed, is a clock, stop watch, odometer etc... Cost is a paltry $25 or so. I'm going to pick me up one of these bad boys! Here are two useful URLs with more explication and installation hints: 1) http://www.flash.net/~bcw900rr/sigma.htm 2) http://www.sportbikes.com/bc700.htm JK NB I just ordered the Battery Pal thanks to the info put on the list today from our colleague Bill Schmidt - Thanks again :^D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 20:49:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA13259; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23563; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:49:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18954; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.59]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA10711; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:48:40 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Atlantic bought Freestate?!?!?!? Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:46:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971106014838.AAA10711@default> Richard- Never been to atlantic either, but it sounds like it still sucks! I can't believe they sold out! Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 20:52:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA13297; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23602; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:52:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19019; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:52:30 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA11941 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:51:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:51:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971105203023_2092617908@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman bought Freestate?!?!?!? In a message dated 97-11-05 20:29:30 EST, you write: << In a message dated 97-11-05 18:18:10 EST, you write: << Coleman bought Freestate?!?!?!?!?! Say it isn't so! I've never been to Coleman, but I've heard the stories. Freestate sales dept is the friendliest in town, and their service and parts, while overworked and not real friendly, are competent and honest, it seems. That sucks! Kevin >> It's worse than that, mate; Atlantic Cycle & Power has Freestate. Maybe you don't know them, but they are the only dealer in southern Maryland. By me, dubbed "THe Evil Empire". Not to judge, just a first hand experience. Time will always tell. Richard >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 21:26:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13817; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26013; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19760; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IPNYFV0HXC8X8XN4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:25:52 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:24:47 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:24:47 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:21:38 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy 301-594-5672 FAX 301-480-8329 Subject: RE: The Sigma BC700 In-reply-to: <3461437A.179A@mnsinc.com> To: "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:24:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E997ZXCGULGGT X400-MTS-identifier: [;74421250117991/2090579@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >It's a little computer made for bicycles, but if individuals on the >RR list are to be believed, this is an awesome little toy, which >very accurately measures your speed, is a clock, stop watch, odometer >etc... Cost is a paltry $25 or so. I'm going to pick me up one of >these bad boys! I've got one of these on my mountain bike. For another $25 you can get the wireless kit (which I've also got on my mountain bike). Just about any bike computer is going to do the trick. The Avocets are often used on motorcycles... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 21:57:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14231; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26334; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20326; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from sturges.erols.com (spg-as93s56.erols.com [207.172.33.56]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17355 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:57:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971105215833.006b1f18@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: sturges@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:59:28 -0500 To: DC-Cycles List From: Rich and Leslie Sturges Subject: Need CB-1 Parts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Unfortunately I am looking for some Honda CB-1 Parts, especially right footpeg and bracket. rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 23:34:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15914; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:34:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29091; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21978; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:33:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA12206; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:29:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:24:47 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: battery charge To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Meier, Christopher wrote: > OK. So to take it a bit further ... What's everybody's opinion on the > Maintenance free batteries? I replaced the one in my RF with a Maint > Free and it has been great. Course I ride all year and it never sits > for more than two or three days at a time. I like anything that doesn't need my attention.Plus,with the Buell I don't have a choice.My battery is mounted on it's side.Oh,and the new one has been like that since April and hasn't leaked a drop. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 23:49:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16048; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:49:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29272; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22219; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.183]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA16466 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 04:48:28 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: spare shield, clarified Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:45:56 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971106044826.AAA16466@default> Hey, y'all-- Thanks for the suggestions so far. Please allow me to redirect your efforts a bit. I like the holster idea, and I like the "just stick it in the jacket" idea even better. What I need to know, though, is how do I carry it around at school all day without looking too wierd, being further encumbered with belongings, or messing it up? And leaving it on the bike somehow isn't an option. My backpack sometimes gets dropped, crammed under chairs, kicked, slept on, and otherwise abused. So does my jacket, come to think of it. I leave my helmet on the helmet lock except when it looks like rain. Thanks again Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 23:56:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16101; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:56:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29342; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22320; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.127] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.127]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPO1VAJC0W8WWI4S@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:04:11 EST Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 23:04:08 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Unlurking To: Sandy TRIOLO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IPO1VBDVK28WWI4S@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Anyone want to help dismantel the Virago this winter? It needs a muffler, >brake lines, front calipers rebuilt, >wheels pulled for checking the axels and wheel bearings and getting new >tires. Of course if you help >take it apart you have to help put it together! (This always comes with >free beer) If everyone on the list dismantles and reassembles your bike, we should have enough spares by spring to open our own shop;) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 5 23:57:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16127; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:57:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29351; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:57:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22326; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.183]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA21883 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 04:56:36 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: trials article Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:54:04 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971106045635.AAA21883@default> Hey, y'all-- American Motorcyclist (the AMA magazine) has a short but well-done article that explains Observed Trials. My best effort in that regard was to say "Man, it's amazing! You had to be there!" The article makes you feel like you were. Great pics, too. Just arrived today. How do you get one? Join the AMA, dammit! 1-800-ama-join. What am I, a library? ;-) BTW, I think I may have been discussing the recent GWRRA rally police action with one of you. Maybe Glenn. I was wrong; it was in North Carolina as you said, not South as I said. Makes me ashamed to have lived there. I'm still boycotting SC after the Red Cross rally thing. I don't think I can boycott NC too. I hope the governor apologizes and fires all concerned; then I won't have to take action. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 00:57:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17335; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00859; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1d.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23279; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:57:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.126] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.126]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPO4TSCZTS8WWJ13@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:28:37 EST Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 00:28:36 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: El Nino [was: Slippity slip. To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IPO4U0CH248WWJ13@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>Not to mention the fact that, due to El Nino, we'll either have a very >>mild winter or a *really* bad one...has anyone heard the latest predictions >>on what this winter is supposed to be like in the D.C. area? > >I heard that we're supposed to have a mild winter -- warmer and dryer than >typical. Sure hope so! After last year's horrible (by skiing standards) winter, we are due for a better winter. IOW, get Kevin to come help put those sheet metal screws in your tyres:) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 01:00:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17391; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA00921; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23361; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.126] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.126]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPO4TSCZTS8WWJ13@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:28:29 EST Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 00:28:28 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: battery charge To: squeakers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IPO4TUMZ8Y8WWJ13@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >i have NO idea how Im >gonna survive the winter. None. Zero. At least, and remain >sane. Well.. you know. *MY* kinda sane. Buy some heated handgrips, cover up your leather bra with a heavy parka, and go out and ride!! ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 01:02:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17403; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA00999; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23397; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.126] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.126]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPO4TSCZTS8WWJ13@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:28:41 EST Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 00:28:40 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Coleman bought Freestate?!?!?!? To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IPO4U34EO28WWJ13@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > It's worse than that, mate; Atlantic Cycle & Power has Freestate. Maybe >you don't know them, but they are the only dealer in southern Maryland. By >me, dubbed > "THe Evil Empire". Not to judge, just a first hand experience. Funny. Was just in Atlantic this afternoon getting my Md state inspection on the BMW. Seemed as friendly as always in the service dept. (even helping me lift the boxer off of the ground after I slipped. Good thing I already had case guards on it;) But I will admit that my experience with Atlantic is more than a bit hit and miss. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 01:18:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17610; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01391; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23771; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:17:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.146] ("port 2050"@[205.177.250.146]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPO69BVAGG8WWJMZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:09:14 EST Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 01:09:13 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: trials article To: klthomas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles Message-id: <01IPO69CFX4I8WWJMZ@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >BTW, I think I may have been discussing the recent GWRRA rally police >action with one of you. Maybe Glenn. I was wrong; it was in North >Carolina as you said, not South as I said. Makes me ashamed to have lived >there. I'm still boycotting SC after the Red Cross rally thing. I don't >think I can boycott NC too. I hope the governor apologizes and fires all >concerned; then I won't have to take action. I thought it was a BMWRA rally? Makes no difference. I don't have a problem boycotting either state. (also gives me a good excuse to not visit my sister in NC:) But on trials... Do you, or anybody else know of a good trials videotape? I've seen the sport a few times, and it's amazing! I'd agree with the quality of the article and pictures (but the Oregon Trail article has me thinking about next summer....) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 06:53:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA20309; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 06:53:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA04484; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 06:53:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA27337; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 06:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 06:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01E4B95D@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: viper655@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: BATTERY TENDERS was: battery charge Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 06:55:58 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > Ive seen these but they seem expensive and if you have more than one > or > two bikes... > Actually, mine says you can hook it to more than one battery in parallel (+ to + and - to -) as long as the batteries are similar in size. In other words don't hook it up to your car and bike together. > Elecrical question: small plug in chargers for calculators etc etc > are all over the place in both 6 and 12 volt with low milliamp > specifications > ( I see bins of them at electronics salvage places) at super cheap > prices $ 2.00-4.00. Couldnt you use one of these, hook it up and > forget it if the charge rate was more or less equal to the parasitic > losses of the battery sitting ?? > I suppose, but why take the chance of a one time $30? Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 07:02:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20372; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04559; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:02:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA27394; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:02:50 -0500 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01E4B963@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" , "'RDWOODJR@XXXXXX'" , "Meier, Christopher" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: battery charge Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:04:36 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) I love maintenance free batteries. I used to use the Sears motorcycle Incredicell back in the late 80's before they discontinued it. I have been using the Delco brand car batteries for years with great success. I particularly like them because they aren't messy like conventional batteries that cause the underside of the hood to rust, under the battery tray, etc. On a bike I like not having the extra drain tube hanging from the bike or having to add water. It seems like bike batteries drink water like its going out of style. I'll probably get the Yuasa sealed battery when my conventional Interstate battery dies. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > ---------- > OK. So to take it a bit further ... What's everybody's opinion on the > Maintenance free batteries? I replaced the one in my RF with a Maint > Free and it has been great. Course I ride all year and it never sits > for more than two or three days at a time. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 07:19:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20488; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04641; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA27624; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05712 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 04:19:10 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 04:19:10 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Maintenance-free batteries Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 04:19:10 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 3 TEXT As I recall from a power systems seminar a few years ago, an Exide engineer stated that ANY battery is "maintenance free" if you're willing to throw it away when it dies... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 07:21:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20504; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:21:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04654; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA27648; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05829 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 04:21:11 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 04:21:11 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'George Howell'" , "'klthomas@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: trials article Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 04:21:09 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 4 TEXT >> But on trials... Do you, or anybody else know of a good trials videotape? > >As I recall, OJ is selling one.... ;-) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 08:06:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20879; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05659; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28234; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:06:49 -0500 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01E4B97D@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC-Cycles'" , "Jordan, Michael" Subject: RE: Maintenance-free batteries Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:08:45 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) I agree with this somewhat. I know maintenance free batteries generally don't last as long as conventional batteries but for the convenience and cleanliness I willing to live it. I'd also be willing to bet they last a whole lot longer then a conventional battery that you didn't perform maintenance on. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > As I recall from a power systems seminar a few years ago, an Exide > engineer stated that ANY battery is "maintenance free" if you're > willing > to throw it away when it dies... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 08:14:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20952; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05892; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:14:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28349; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA28032 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:14:18 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma028023; Thu, 6 Nov 97 08:14:15 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA14587 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA878821895; Thu, 06 Nov 97 08:11:36 -0500 Message-Id: <9711068788.AA878821895@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 08:10:33 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: carrying a spare faceshield? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, Don't know if it's what you're looking for, but I've seen over-the-shoulder harness/bags for faceshields. It's just a nylon sack (probably flannel or fleece on the inside) that you wear like a bandoleer (is that right??!). I've seen them in the back of moto rags a bit - think it was like $29.95 + S/H. Looked like it would do the perfect job... but then again, YMMV Cheers.. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 08:15:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20964; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:15:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05911; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28372; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:15:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAC041.41; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:15:38 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971105194734.0099cd10@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:47:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re:Tire Temp [was: Slippity slip. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Actually, no. It was a mental exercise, as you described below, except >that I attribute more effect to the ambient temperature and the temp of the >ground contact patch. > >Okay, so now I have to investigate. That's what I get for spouting off an >opinion as fact. :) What's the easiest tool to use to measure the >temperature of a tire? I'll start a sample, if I can. The easiest might be to ask a racer -- they'd know this stuff. You might be able to find some info on the web. The next would be to call your tire manufacturer and ask them (actually, that might be the best -- since we're talking about street tires in street conditions, anyway). I've seen racers use temperature probes to monitor tire temps -- when they pull in, the techies spot-check temp at several points around the tires circumference, and across the tire as well. I remember reading where some racers had thermal temperature sensing instrumentation which telemetered the date back to their pit crew! Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 08:16:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20972; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05914; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:15:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28379; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAD041.41; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:15:47 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971105194946.00905e90@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:49:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: BATTERY TENDERS was: battery charge In-Reply-To: References: <199711051607.KAA04932@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Re Battery Tender: I've had mixed results with mine. On the positive >(+) side, it does not cook batteries when I forget to disconnect it---a >big improvement, given my attention span. OTOH, it does not fully charge my >batteries, for which I still need my old manual charger. This is my >second Battery Tender; the first was replaced (promptly and courteously) >after it died three years into a 5 year warranty. But would I buy >another? Probably not. > >--garcia Interesting. I just got my Battery Tender replaced (under warranty) after it died 2-3 years into the 5-yr. warranty. How did you determine your battery was not fully charged? By checking the specific gravity of the cells? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 08:16:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20977; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05919; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28383; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:15:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAE041.41; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:15:50 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971105200110.0099be00@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:01:10 -0500 To: "dc-cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Boycotting NC and SC [was: trials article In-Reply-To: <19971106045635.AAA21883@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >BTW, I think I may have been discussing the recent GWRRA rally police >action with one of you. Maybe Glenn. I was wrong; it was in North >Carolina as you said, not South as I said. Makes me ashamed to have lived >there. I'm still boycotting SC after the Red Cross rally thing. I don't >think I can boycott NC too. I hope the governor apologizes and fires all >concerned; then I won't have to take action. I think it would be better to go there and talk it up. When you buy your meals, your room, and any other place you pay money, ask the people if they've heard about the police action. Say how surprised you are that police would target motorcyclists like yourself, and how you really like the area and the people ... but are now having second thoughts. I think you'd get more response that way, alerting citizens what their own police are up to, and how the police action will impact their businesses and livelihood. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 08:16:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20982; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:16:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05923; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28389; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAF041.41; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:15:53 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971105200348.009a7350@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:03:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: trials article In-Reply-To: <01IPO69CFX4I8WWJMZ@delphi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >But on trials... Do you, or anybody else know of a good trials videotape? >I've seen the sport a few times, and it's amazing! I'd agree with the >quality of the article and pictures (but the Oregon Trail article has me >thinking about next summer....) Whitehorse Press has two, though I haven't seen them yet (I've got the Intro one on order). http://www.whitehorsepress.com You should be able to find some by searching the web for motorcycle and trials. Cosmopoliton Motors (motorcycles) in Pennsylvania does a lot with trials bikes. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 08:23:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21090; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:23:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06183; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28615; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAH041.41; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:23:41 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971105201409.0098e5e0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:14:09 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Biker down this morning? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I heard on the radio this morning about a motorycle accident on 295 Northbound to the 11th St. Bridge, inbound (the ramp, I guess). They said there was spilled hydraulic fluid. Anybody know about this? Is the rider okay? Did he/she go down in somebody's spill? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 08:34:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21270; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06660; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28840; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA29584 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:34:49 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma029553; Thu, 6 Nov 97 08:34:25 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA15005 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA878823103; Thu, 06 Nov 97 08:31:46 -0500 Message-Id: <9711068788.AA878823103@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 08:31:43 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: El Nino [was: Slippity slip. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: El Nino [was: Slippity slip. Author: George Howell at smtplink-micros Date: 11/6/97 1:03 AM >>Not to mention the fact that, due to El Nino, we'll either have a very >>mild winter or a *really* bad one...has anyone heard the latest predictions >>on what this winter is supposed to be like in the D.C. area? > >I heard that we're supposed to have a mild winter -- warmer and dryer than >typical. Sure hope so! After last year's horrible (by skiing standards) winter, we are due for a better winter. IOW, get Kevin to come help put those sheet metal screws in your tyres:) Ahemm.. it was Brian, and WOOD screws... (I neglected to mention the ski rack that was welded onto the KZ so we could get up to the slopes with our gear.) cheers.. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 08:36:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21302; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:36:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06687; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:36:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28864; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAA042.76; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:36:35 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971105202636.0094a350@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:26:36 -0500 To: "'DC-Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Maintenance-free batteries In-Reply-To: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01E4B97D@Pentagon-DADC010. army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" One exception to this might be Yuasa's GRT (Gas Recombinant Technology) battery. It's still a lead-acid battery, but it doesn't vent to the atmosphere. Most "maintenance-free" batteried I've seen are ordinary lead-acid batteries with their caps sealed. Thus they couldn't get maintenance, and died as expected. I've been reluctant to try the GRT battery because it's about twice the price of a cheap battery. Chris Norloff ************************************************************ At 08:08 AM 11/6/97 -0500, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >I agree with this somewhat. I know maintenance free batteries generally >don't last as long as conventional batteries but for the convenience and >cleanliness I willing to live it. I'd also be willing to bet they last >a whole lot longer then a conventional battery that you didn't perform >maintenance on. > >Glenn Dysart >DysarGB@XXXXXX > >84 V30 Magna > > >> As I recall from a power systems seminar a few years ago, an Exide >> engineer stated that ANY battery is "maintenance free" if you're >> willing >> to throw it away when it dies... >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 08:52:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21595; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07103; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29274; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:52:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:46:38 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:46:12 -0500 From: Sandy TRIOLO To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC-cycles Motorcycle shop Sounds good to me!! sandy >>> George Howell 11/05 11:04 PM >>> If everyone on the list dismantles and reassembles your bike, we should have enough spares by spring to open our own shop;) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 09:00:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21709; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07204; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from notes.sbd.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29441; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:00:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by notes.sbd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 85256547.004D12E5 ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:01:51 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBD From: "Caron Rose" To: bmccoy@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256547.004C9719.00@notes.sbd.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:03:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Re[2]: El Nino [was: Slippity slip. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII El Nino, El Schmino! I have a much more accurate way of determining what kind of winter we'll have this year. If I end up getting the 4x4 Jeep Cherokee that I want, we will have a mild winter, with very little snow. However, if I DON'T get it, we'll have blizzard after blizzard, and I'll be stuck at the bottom of the bottom of the hill, unable to get out of my subdivision, living off of all those old grocery items I bought (because they were on sale), but never used, because I can't get to the store. You know the stuff.. creamed beets - a bargain at 1/2 price! OB moto - of course, my baby will be snug in the garage. I might even buy him an electric blanket to keep him warm. Caron ______________________________ Reply Separator ____________________________ _____ Subject: Re: El Nino [was: Slippity slip. Author: George Howell at smtplink-micros Date: 11/6/97 1:03 AM >>Not to mention the fact that, due to El Nino, we'll either have a very >>mild winter or a *really* bad one...has anyone heard the latest predictions >>on what this winter is supposed to be like in the D.C. area? > >I heard that we're supposed to have a mild winter -- warmer and dryer than >typical. Sure hope so! After last year's horrible (by skiing standards) winter, we are due for a better winter. IOW, get Kevin to come help put those sheet metal screws in your tyres:) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 09:24:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22254; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07557; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:24:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin40.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00254; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:24:34 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA23888 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:24:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:24:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971106092402_2103732911@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: alcohol injected wrenching In a message dated 97-11-05 23:59:40 EST, you write: << >Anyone want to help dismantel the Virago this winter? It needs a muffler, >brake lines, front calipers rebuilt, >wheels pulled for checking the axels and wheel bearings and getting new >tires. Of course if you help >take it apart you have to help put it together! (This always comes with >free beer) >> Sorry, mate; I've had so many offers to work on my customer's bikes after work for beer that if I took everyone up on the offer, I'd be drunk all the time and when the m/c was done, too many pieces would be left over. :) When I owned a route of pinball and video games, working on them at home became interesting while following a wiring diagram after the third brewskie. + + ' ------- when I lived in the 'burbs, and the neighborhood kids with dirt bikes found out I worked at a bike shop, I became the motorcycle "guru o' de 'hood". Now I live in the country with an M60 on the front porch overlooking my driveway entrance. Just kidding. But always call first before dropping by. Trust me. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 09:41:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22524; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:41:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07746; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin44.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00718; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:41:46 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin44.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA20035; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:41:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:41:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971106094106_1970025395@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: denizen@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman bought Freestate?!?!?!? In a message dated 97-11-06 02:25:39 EST, you write: << By me, dubbed "THe Evil Empire". Not to > judge, just a first hand experience. Is this the place in White Plains on US 301 north, just south of the railroad tracks? Passed by it a couple times, never been inside. Maybe I should count myself as lucky... >> No, don't judge the masses for the acts of a few. All dealers have good people. But not all people are good. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 09:41:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22523; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:41:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07750; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:41:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00722; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:41:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA03380; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:39:59 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D21A0E6@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Newbie Trip Report and Glove Advice... Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:40:51 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I did it! After 11 weeks of having my bike (10 of riding it because the first week I was parking-lot bound) I rode it out to school (GMU) last night. Now, this may not seem like a big deal to most of you experienced riders, but it involved curves getting on & off the beltway, the BELTWAY and semi-cold temperatures during the ride. The curves and the beltway alone terrified me when I first started out. Well, all I can say is, I LOVED IT!! Everyone who told me that sooner or later I'd be going faster than I thought I would was right! It got to the point that I had to consciously slow down to avoid being pulled over by the men in blue - I didn't see any - but after cruising at 80 for a while I realized I better slow down, just in case. Tucking really helps, too! [hello?] I probably should have figured this out myself but I had to be told that when going 80mph the wind doesn't rip your head off as much if you tuck...The only problem was I couldn't sleep after I got home. For some reason I'm too hyper after riding to sleep...hmmmmm : ) Here's the glove question...I was completely warm except for my hands. I 'm considering buying Olympia GT4000 Weatherking Xtra gloves which I've seen advertised in the Chapparral catalogue. Has anyone worn these? Does anyone know how good they are for warmth? Thanks, Jeannette your resident newbie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 09:56:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22749; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08647; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mb18.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01077; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:55:54 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mb18.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA18486 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:55:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:55:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971106093220_2037001521@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: magazines Kevin, In a message dated 97-11-06 00:01:01 EST, you write: << American Motorcyclist (the AMA magazine) has a short but well-done article that explains Observed Trials. My best effort in that regard was to say "Man, it's amazing! You had to be there!" The article makes you feel like you were. Great pics, too. Just arrived today. How do you get one? Join the AMA, dammit! 1-800-ama-join. What am I, a library? ;-) >> Anyone on the list want about 10 years of AMA magazines? I need to pare down my 1,000+ motorcycle magazine collection before the book shelves collapse. I also have a few Smithonian and Nat Geographics left after donating 18 years worth to a library a while back. At least I recycle the newspaper, can you imagine? Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 10:05:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22956; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09262; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01386; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as2s12.erols.com [207.172.110.75]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03445; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:05:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199711061505.KAA03445@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: bmccoy@XXXXXX, "Caron Rose" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:07:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Re[2]: El Nino [was: Slippity slip. Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <85256547.004C9719.00@notes.sbd.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > If I end up getting the 4x4 Jeep Cherokee that I want, we will have a mild > winter, with very little snow. However, if I DON'T get it, we'll have > blizzard after blizzard, and I'll be stuck at the bottom of the bottom of heh Sounds like *my* life! Its nice to know that this kinda stuff happens to someone ELSE, too! :) :) (ok, YOU might not be happy about it, but it IS nice to know Im not alone) Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 10:08:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23015; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:08:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09437; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01490; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:08:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA16152; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:08:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid03.mcit.com [166.37.221.15]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA26313; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:07:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971106150738.BFZE4246@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:07:38 -0600 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 09:53 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: Sandy TRIOLO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unlurking X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971106150738.BFZE4246@[166.41.242.141]> George Howell wrote: >>Anyone want to help dismantel the Virago this winter? It needs a muffler, >>brake lines, front calipers rebuilt, >>wheels pulled for checking the axels and wheel bearings and getting new >>tires. Of course if you help >>take it apart you have to help put it together! (This always comes with >>free beer) > >If everyone on the list dismantles and reassembles your bike, we should >have enough spares by spring to open our own shop;) Put me down as capitol investor. Disassembling my '83 Shadow 500 this winter, and giving it a new cam-chain tensioner, new coils, re-working the shaft, restoring some chrome/paint...blha, blah, blah..... Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 11:34:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25456; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12296; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05115; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:34:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA04841; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:40:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:40:22 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: BATTERY TENDERS was: battery charge In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971105194946.00905e90@204.194.180.21> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Chris Norloff wrote: Yes. Also with voltmeter; but didn't do "load" test. --garcia .... > > How did you determine your battery was not fully charged? By checking the > specific gravity of the cells? > > Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 12:12:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26371; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12621; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:12:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06519; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA18732 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCEAAD.5526CFE0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:13:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" Subject: RE: Newbie Trip Report and Glove Advice... Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:12:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just bought a pair of Motoport Polar gloves. Some moto mag rated them best winter gloves for the cost ($25). They also advertise that you can hold your hand submersed in water for an hour and they will stay dry. Also feature a couple of gauntlet closures, and grippy stuff on the palms and all seams to seal out the wind. I mail ordered them direct from motoport, and they should be here sometime next week. I will post to the list to let you all know if they are any good. But for only $25, I think they are worth a shot. Normally I ride in some really heavy duty mittens, but would rather have use of my fingers, so hopefully these will work. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 9:40 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Newbie Trip Report and Glove Advice... >--snip-- >Here's the glove question...I was completely warm except for my hands. >I 'm considering buying Olympia GT4000 Weatherking Xtra gloves which >I've seen advertised in the Chapparral catalogue. Has anyone worn >these? Does anyone know how good they are for warmth? > >Thanks, Jeannette >your resident newbie > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 12:36:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26987; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12912; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07358; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:32:49 -0500 Message-ID: <14FA613401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: <71F3613401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:32:22 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: crose@XXXXXX (Caron Rose) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Jeep vs. El Nino Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway If you don't buy the Jeep, give me a call when the Big Snow hits. I'll pull you out with the Rover. If you DO buy the Jeep and the Big Snow hits, give me a call, I'll pull you out with the Rover. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 13:13:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27825; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13419; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:13:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08766; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (gwis2.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.252]) by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA09864; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:13:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mpt@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA13356; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:13:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:13:29 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Tolocka To: "Adams, Bill" cc: Caron Rose , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jeep vs. El Nino In-Reply-To: <14FA613401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, Adams, Bill wrote: > If you don't buy the Jeep, give me a call when the Big Snow hits. I'll > pull you out with the Rover. If you DO buy the Jeep and the Big Snow > hits, give me a call, I'll pull you out with the Rover. > > Bill Adams > 3D Artist/Animator > '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, Now THATS Funny. _Michael P. Tolocka_ Fire Research and Atmospheric Chemistry Department of Chemistry The George Washington University AMA#608333 1990 CeeBeeOne 1997 BMW R850R (If my wife lets me...) _Keep the shiny side up_ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 13:30:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28275; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:30:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13702; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:29:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09415; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:29:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:24:43 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:28:34 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: gloves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: gloves Jeannette, I have these big Goretex hockey gloves by Olympia (I forget the model number, but they were around $50 in the Rider Wearhouse catalog). They're warm and mostly waterproof, but a bit bulky and I lose some feel. If it's not really cold out, I'll use polypropelene glove liners under my regular unlined leather gloves. You can pick up the liners at any outfitter or motorcycle store for a few bucks, and they make a big difference in warmth without the bulk. Sean '95 F3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the glove question...I was completely warm except for my hands. I 'm considering buying Olympia GT4000 Weatherking Xtra gloves which I've seen advertised in the Chapparral catalogue. Has anyone worn these? Does anyone know how good they are for warmth? Thanks, Jeannette your resident newbie <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 13:31:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28289; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13722; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09515; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:30:54 -0500 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01E7CA1A@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "Adams, Bill" , Michael Tolocka Cc: Caron Rose , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Jeep vs. El Nino Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:32:59 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Gotta agree with him though. Every time I see a 4x4 stuck when I'm at the Outer Banks its always a Jeep. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX > > If you don't buy the Jeep, give me a call when the Big Snow hits. > I'll > > pull you out with the Rover. If you DO buy the Jeep and the Big Snow > > > hits, give me a call, I'll pull you out with the Rover. > > > > Bill Adams > > 3D Artist/Animator > > '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, > > Now THATS Funny. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 13:56:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29000; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14299; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:55:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10759; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:55:42 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA20954 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:55:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199711061855.AA20954@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:55:37 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:55:37 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:55:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:52:12 -0500 Subject: Jeep vs. El Nino To: badams@XXXXXX Cc: crose@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <14FA613401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME ..and while you're trying to pull the Jeep out with the Rover, I'll pull *you* out with my Explorer...just like I did last winter to a (much redfaced) Discovery owner... ;-) -aki > If you don't buy the Jeep, give me a call when the Big Snow hits. I'll > pull you out with the Rover. If you DO buy the Jeep and the Big Snow > hits, give me a call, I'll pull you out with the Rover. > > Bill Adams > 3D Artist/Animator > '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, > '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: > "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" > > > > > > X-Confirm-Reading-To: > Disposition-Notification-To: > Organization: USIA > X-Smf-Hop-Count: 2 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 13:57:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29026; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14333; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10814; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id NAA05740 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:57:37 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma005702; Thu, 6 Nov 97 13:57:27 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id NAA23186; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:57:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA878842483; Thu, 06 Nov 97 13:54:46 -0500 Message-Id: <9711068788.AA878842483@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 13:53:45 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , , Cc: , Subject: Re[2]: Jeep vs. El Nino MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not fair, it's the loser driving the jeep that gets it stuck. Ask Kevin Thomas about my Jeep stories.. I only got stuck once, and that because I rolled it onto a log and high-centered it. Any 'image' booster vehicle will draw unfair criticism - when it's actually the person looking to improve their image that's the problem (hence squids, RUBs, and morons in 4x4 jeeps that get stuck). Cheers.. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Gotta agree with him though. Every time I see a 4x4 stuck when I'm at the Outer Banks its always a Jeep. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX > > If you don't buy the Jeep, give me a call when the Big Snow hits. > I'll > > pull you out with the Rover. If you DO buy the Jeep and the Big Snow > > > hits, give me a call, I'll pull you out with the Rover. > > > > Bill Adams > > 3D Artist/Animator > > '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, > > Now THATS Funny. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 14:15:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29352; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14631; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo02.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11272; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:14:59 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <5b86c27b.34621509@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:06:32 EST To: klthomas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Coleman Powersport- you have to see it! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) In a message dated 97-11-06 13:41:27 EST, you write: << Never been to atlantic either, but it sounds like it still sucks! I can't believe they sold out! Later Kevin >> You HAVE to go to both Coleman stores some day. They are huge! With lots of accessories! You have to go! In a way, I wish I hadn't quit there. In the motorcycle industry, being the parts & acc manager at one of the biggest operations in the world is very prestigious. Not to mention the pay! Now I'm a self-employed bum helping my wife with 10 daycare kids looking to maybe start my own independant shop. Can't get a job with the other dealers because I am "over-qualified" (commanded too much $$ pay). I was just about bummed on the m/c bis until i found this list. You all got me to remember my favorite motto: I eat, sleep, dream, ride, talk, breathe, live and love motorcycles. and I have the t-shirt to prove it! Ignore what you've heard about CPS, just go look. I will not comment on the parts/accessory pricing. I was in on the deal as a loyal manager given a P&L to answer for. It's not like a price club, somebody pays for an operation that big, and it's not just volume. As I have said in the past, prices are negotiable. Just ask for a deal and take a mail order ad with you. Treat yourself! GO! Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 14:21:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29479; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:21:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14700; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11460; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as2s12.erols.com [207.172.110.75]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA28635; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:21:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199711061921.OAA28635@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "Adams, Bill" , Michael Tolocka , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:23:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Jeep vs. El Nino Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01E7CA1A@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Gotta agree with him though. Every time I see a 4x4 stuck when I'm at > the Outer Banks its always a Jeep. > yup. Back in our free days (before kids) we had an old beat up Blazer. NOT the NEW kinda Blazer. I mean that big, powerful old brute of a Blazer. Complete with a winch kit. There was quite a few times that we hadda pull some Jeep outta the mess that some hotdogger managed to get himself into far out on dirt trails. One guy was on his side halfway across a kinda ditch thing. hehehe Our old Blazer just plowed over it and pulled him over and out. Damn, I miss that hunk of junk. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 14:29:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29683; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14859; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:29:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11734; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as2s12.erols.com [207.172.110.75]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA30456; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:29:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199711061929.OAA30456@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: , , , "Brian McCoy" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:32:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Re[2]: Jeep vs. El Nino Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: , Priority: normal In-reply-to: <9711068788.AA878842483@smtplink.micros.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Any 'image' booster vehicle will draw unfair criticism - when it's > actually the person looking to improve their image that's the problem > (hence squids, RUBs, and morons in 4x4 jeeps that get stuck). > > Cheers.. Brian > > You gotta point there, Brian. That hotdogger that was sidewards in his Jeep was one. The guy was the manager of a fabric store, had a brand new Jeep, and I DONT think he'd ever even gotten DIRTY before....much LESS driven dirt trails inna Jeep. Guy had NO idea what to do before we showed up. Pat had to tell him EVERYTHING to do on HIS part while we did ours. Yeah.. HE belonged inna Jeep all right. Yet I just blamed it on the Jeep in my previous post. Oh, well. You're right. It WASNT the Jeep. It was the Jeeps ignorant driver trying to get his untried vehicle to do things it WASNT capable of. Or perhaps WAS capable of with the RIGHT driver behind the wheel. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 14:30:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29707; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:30:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14879; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11754; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA15517 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:29:54 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:29:54 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Coleman Powersport- you have to see it! Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:29:45 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT One of the main things that bugs me at Coleman is having to stand in line twice for one transaction - once while the accessory/parts person writes you up and once again at the register to pay for the widget. Prices aren't bad overall (instant gratification and the ability to see if it fits first are worth something), the the aforementioned policy REALLY bugs me (20+ years in the military - I HATE LINES!!!) Michael Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 14:50:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00169; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15137; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:49:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12409; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:50:17 -0500 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01E7CA43@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "Jordan, Michael" Subject: RE: Coleman Powersport- you have to see it! Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:52:21 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) I guess if you don't mind paying MORE then twice the price. Coleman was 23.00 for a turn signal part for my Magna. I already had it mail ordered for 11.00 but it was on back order. I didn't need the part that bad and decided to wait for 2 more weeks for the part to arrive instead of this instant gratification. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Prices aren't bad overall (instant gratification and the ability to > see > if it fits first are worth something), the the aforementioned policy > REALLY bugs me (20+ years in the military - I HATE LINES!!!) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 15:03:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00561; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15825; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12930; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:03:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA26139 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCEAC5.3B49A3F0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:04:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Jeep vs. El Nino Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:03:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ... and then I'll pull you out with my Rodeo ... :-) My folks have an Eddie Bauer Explorer, and it isn't worth a sh*t off road. It just doesn't have tires worth beans. One of the greatest family haulers out there in terms of comfort, though. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: aki.damme@XXXXXX[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 1:52 PM >To: badams@XXXXXX >Cc: crose@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Jeep vs. El Nino > > >..and while you're trying to pull the Jeep out with the Rover, I'll >pull *you* out with my Explorer...just like I did last winter to a >(much redfaced) Discovery owner... > >;-) > >-aki > >> If you don't buy the Jeep, give me a call when the Big Snow hits. I'll >> pull you out with the Rover. If you DO buy the Jeep and the Big Snow >> hits, give me a call, I'll pull you out with the Rover. >> >> Bill Adams >> 3D Artist/Animator >> '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, >> '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: >> "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" >> >> >> >> >> >> X-Confirm-Reading-To: >> Disposition-Notification-To: >> Organization: USIA >> X-Smf-Hop-Count: 2 >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 15:17:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00866; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16341; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13546; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:17:30 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA23466 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:17:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199711062017.AA23466@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:17:25 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:17:25 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:17:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:14:00 -0500 Subject: RE: Coleman Powersport- you have to see it! To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME hmmm..have to disagree with the prices though...last time I went there, they tried to charge me $27.00 for a replacement rubber mount for a turn signal...I went down the street and bought the same part from Art at Riders Accessory for $4.... ...also the last time (and I emphasize LAST time) I had by bike repaired by Coleman (Falls Church), they put my fork seals in upside down and it drained all of the fork oil out within minutes of leaving the lot...it took Honda Corp and threat of a lawsuit before Coleman would replace and repair the seals...not to mention the fact that my bike was down for almost a month while I argued back and forth that the reason the seals were bad was because of THEM...they tried to accuse *me* of taking the seals out, reversing them the wrong way and reinstalling them! On a side note, Honda told me that they have had numerous complaints about Coleman, especially their service department *and* especially their sales department and had seriously considered pulling their right to sell Hondas...also a mechanic at Herndon Cycle Sport used to work at Coleman in Falls Church said he left because he couldn't stand the "accepted" shoddy workmanship in the service department. He also said he got tired of seeing customers yelling at salesmen because of some "bait and switch" tactics they had slid in on their financing. (He didn't elaborate but his story pretty much rings true with other horror stories I've heard about Coleman). Personally, I think their prices are out of orbit...my Hein Gericke jacket was 50% higher at Coleman than at any other local shop...needless to say, unless I absolutely *must* have a part, I'll wait and order it from mail order or look elsewhere. I was also suprised to find out that their used parts department sells their used parts for an *average* of 75% of a new part with no guarantees! Also, I wasn't impressed with what my bike looked like when they serviced it..it had greasy fingerprints all over it, mud and dirt was smeared on the seat and they cracked my rear fender (which they denied of course doing). All this right after I had spent over 4 hours washing and waxing the bike..I was throughly pissed! -aki > One of the main things that bugs me at Coleman is having to stand in > line twice for one transaction - once while the accessory/parts person > writes you up and once again at the register to pay for the widget. > > Prices aren't bad overall (instant gratification and the ability to see > if it fits first are worth something), the the aforementioned policy > REALLY bugs me (20+ years in the military - I HATE LINES!!!) > > Michael Jordan > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 15:20:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00963; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16394; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:20:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13686; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:20:46 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA23564 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:20:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199711062020.AA23564@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:20:41 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:20:41 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:20:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:18:21 -0500 Subject: RE: Jeep vs. El Nino To: MEIERCH@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME I have the sport which has a more rigid off road suspension and because it doesn't have the side steps, it doesn't have the problem the Limiteds, XLT's and Bauers have with grounding out on small stumps etc. I'll agree that there are better off road vehicles out there and if I was going to spend a majority of my time off roading, I'd definately look at more capable vehicles, however I have never had any problem taking my Explorer out 4wheeling in the G.Washington forest on the occassional camping/fishing trip. Since a majority of my time is spent on paved roads, the ride is much smoother than alot of other 4wd vehicles I test drove. -aki > ... and then I'll pull you out with my Rodeo ... :-) > > My folks have an Eddie Bauer Explorer, and it isn't worth a sh*t off > road. It just doesn't have tires worth beans. One of the greatest > family haulers out there in terms of comfort, though. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > > >---------- > >From: aki.damme@XXXXXX[SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 1:52 PM > >To: badams@XXXXXX > >Cc: crose@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Jeep vs. El Nino > > > > > >..and while you're trying to pull the Jeep out with the Rover, I'll > >pull *you* out with my Explorer...just like I did last winter to a > >(much redfaced) Discovery owner... > > > >;-) > > > >-aki > > > >> If you don't buy the Jeep, give me a call when the Big Snow hits. I'll > >> pull you out with the Rover. If you DO buy the Jeep and the Big Snow > >> hits, give me a call, I'll pull you out with the Rover. > >> > >> Bill Adams > >> 3D Artist/Animator > >> '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, > >> '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: > >> "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> X-Confirm-Reading-To: > >> Disposition-Notification-To: > >> Organization: USIA > >> X-Smf-Hop-Count: 2 > >> > >> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 15:40:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01475; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16620; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from UPIMSSMTPSYS02 by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14229; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR02 - 207.68.143.138 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:39:34 -0800 Received: from omnibook - 153.34.1.189 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:39:32 -0800 From: "Michael J. Valentine" To: Subject: Loyal trainer needs good home Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:44:29 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <0cbff32392006b7UPIMSSMTPUSR02@email.msn.com> After loyally helping my wife to learn to ride, our Honda Rebel 250 (1985) needs a good home. Becky has moved up to something bigger and this little 250 has been so reliable and instructive that we want it to go to a good home. It has about 13k on the clock, new tires, carb just rebuilt by Coleman. Everything works. Highway pegs on engine guard bars are the only add-ons. Asking $1500. reply to email address. Serious inquiries we can bring it over to show. Great beginner bike for someone looking for Harley/Cruiser ergonomics. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 16:04:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02037; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18480; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15172; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo01.mail.aol.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02070; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:03:56 -0500 (EST) From: AWheat Message-ID: <3fba2122.34622cc8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:47:51 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Something's up with the email system Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) I just saw an email I sent out earlier this week to DC Cycles RESENT again today. I know I didn't resend it. I would have fixed the typo in the subject bar about the date for one thing. For another, it's been taking up to two days for email I send to DC Cycles to be received by its members. Any email I send anywhere else on the Internet is received almost immediately. I remember hearing something about AOL having a problem recently, but I wonder why only mail to DC Cycles is taking so long to be received.... Any ideas? By the way, in case you didn't get the email about this Sunday's ride (11/9/97), please let me know. If it's raining, don't show up of course. Alan R. Wheat AWheat@XXXXXX http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 16:20:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02686; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19337; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:20:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15952; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id QAA20398 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:20:39 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma020386; Thu, 6 Nov 97 16:20:13 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id QAA26822 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA878851053; Thu, 06 Nov 97 16:17:35 -0500 Message-Id: <9711068788.AA878851053@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 16:16:24 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re[2]: Jeep vs. El Nino MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hummmmmmmmer.. *grin* talk about 4x4 - and yes I've driven one. Personally, I liked the Lamborghini LM better though, there's a fold away dirtbike incase you get stuck. But you could throw a nice WR200 or something in back of the hummer too... Idonno. someone wanna loan me $500K so I can test them both? I'll get back to you.. brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 16:22:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02739; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19441; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from emout24.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16040; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:22:40 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by emout24.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA10584 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:22:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:22:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971106161702_698758452@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Newbie Alert! (Wants to Buy Bike) Hi! I just finished the rider training course in VA and am looking for a bike to buy. I'm currently considering a cruiser or standard but am willing to hear arguments for street bikes as well. Any comments as to what's appropriate for a newcomer would be appreciated. Also, if you have a bike for sale..... in the 500-600 range, I'm thinking of a Nighthawk, Shadow, or something like them, please let me know the details! Thanks. Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 16:26:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02870; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:26:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19680; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16254; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:25:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (spg-tnt1s54.erols.com [207.172.111.54]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA03644; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:30:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19961106162908.00b3db80@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 16:29:08 -0500 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Biker down this morning? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971105201409.0098e5e0@204.194.180.21> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:14 PM 11/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >I heard on the radio this morning about a motorycle accident on 295 >Northbound to the 11th St. Bridge, inbound (the ramp, I guess). They said >there was spilled hydraulic fluid. > >Anybody know about this? Is the rider okay? Did he/she go down in >somebody's spill? > >Chris Norloff Just before I left the house this morning the news was showing an accident up on the 14th street bridge due to an oil spill of some sort. I didn't see any bikes in the picture, but it had obviously happened a little earlier than the report. CT _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 16:39:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03200; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20812; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:39:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16698; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:39:45 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA25991 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:39:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199711062139.AA25991@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:39:43 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:39:43 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:39:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:37:21 -0500 Subject: Re[2]: Jeep vs. El Nino To: bmccoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9711068788.AA878851053@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME yeah!...nothing like doing 110mph up the side of a mountain! GAWD...it's times like this I thank GOD I'm a man! ;-) > > hummmmmmmmer.. *grin* talk about 4x4 - and yes I've driven one. > > Personally, I liked the Lamborghini LM better though, there's a fold > away dirtbike incase you get stuck. But you could throw a nice WR200 > or something in back of the hummer too... Idonno. someone wanna loan > me $500K so I can test them both? I'll get back to you.. > > brian > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 16:43:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03252; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20889; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:43:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16804; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA01067 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:43:10 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:43:10 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Loyal trainer needs good home Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:43:10 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 5 TEXT >>...our Honda Rebel 250 (1985) needs a good home. >>...Asking $1500. > >I remember my wife paying just over $1,400 for one new - if this is a good >price, I wish we had kept it From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 16:58:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03533; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21116; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17269; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.181]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA20260; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:58:04 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , Subject: Re: Newbie Trip Report and Glove Advice... Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:55:32 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971106215802.AAA20260@default> Jeannette- MCN tested winter gloves a few years ago, including putting a ziplock bag of warm water inside, putting the glove in the refrigerator, and measuring how much the water cooled off. I bought winter gloves shortly before that article, and I got Olympias. MCN rated them tops in quality, fit, comfort, and crash protection, and nearly last in warmth. I agree. The top rated glove for warmth, and 2nd best in all else, was the Tourmaster Elite for ~$110. I got a version of those from Coleen recently. Hasn't been really cold yet, so I can't say. See ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 18:11:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04999; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21779; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19298; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:10:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as6s49.erols.com [207.172.71.112]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA00358; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:15:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711062315.SAA00358@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:12:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Re[2]: Jeep vs. El Nino Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199711062139.AA25991@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <9711068788.AA878851053@smtplink.micros.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > GAWD...it's times like this I thank GOD I'm a man! ;-) > > > and Im sure that she appreciates your thanks. :) Im very happy to see that you're trained well enough to understand that MEN do CRAZY things that require that crazed hormone testosterone, whereas WIMMINS do INTELLIGENT things that require the brain cell vitalizing hormone estrogen. Good boy. Very good. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 18:13:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05046; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21796; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from elwood.cais.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19349; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:12:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.161.65.74] (richwest.cais.com [206.161.65.74]) by elwood.cais.com (8.8.7/Elwood) with ESMTP id SAA09831 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:12:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:12:57 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: richwest@XXXXXX Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Richard Westbrook Subject: Weekend Weather Sucks What the hell is going on with the weather. Why does it only rain on the weekends, but is beautiful during the week? I don't mind the cold but the rain is another story. Richard Westbrook Art Director U.S. Conference of Mayors From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 18:27:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05418; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21922; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin46.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19759; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:27:46 -0500 (EST) From: Eduvacate@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin46.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA20452; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:27:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:27:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971106182713_1468298479@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: mobacc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Blacktop Biting Boxer's $900 course (was blank subject) To people who understand what it takes in the way of time and money to provide quality professional services, whether it's motorcycle training and safety or photography, and run a business, Larry Grodsky of Stayin' Safe Motorcycle Training, and eduVacations will be at Rockville Harley Davidson/Battley Cycles Open House in Gaithersburg, MD on December 6 doing a seminar on his 2 & 3 day training tours for experienced riders and his beginner training programs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 18:46:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05848; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22039; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin41.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20279; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:46:14 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin41.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA27707 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:45:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:45:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971106184542_1669701015@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: My last word on Coleman Powersport OK , all I asked was that those who had not been to that establishment, go look at the accessory inventory! I will not go into the economics of why a jap part sells for more than an after-market replacement. Or why accessories sell for more at a fancy retail outlet. Making judgements based on experiences with a particular employee does not mean we should kill all the lawyers. Or the government workers. Richard I quess I'll be hot for a while now, flamers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 19:18:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06429; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:18:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22442; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20927; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:18:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.162] ("port 2050"@[205.177.250.162]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPP6WU6UK091VSEL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:39:09 EST Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 18:39:02 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Newbie Trip Report and Glove Advice... To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IPP6WY2YXK91VSEL@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Here's the glove question...I was completely warm except for my hands. >I 'm considering buying Olympia GT4000 Weatherking Xtra gloves which >I've seen advertised in the Chapparral catalogue. Has anyone worn >these? Does anyone know how good they are for warmth? Can't comment on those gloves, but I can comment on electric grip heaters. They are a godsend. I've seen universal fit ones for about $40. If they work as well as the heaters on my BMW, they are well worth the money. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 19:18:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06430; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:18:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22440; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20925; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.162] ("port 2050"@[205.177.250.162]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPP6WU6UK091VSEL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:38:58 EST Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 18:38:59 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Newbie Alert! (Wants to Buy Bike) To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IPP6WVCWTU91VSEL@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Also, if you have a bike for sale..... in the 500-600 range, I'm thinking of >a Nighthawk, Shadow, or something like them, please let me know the details! How 'bout a 1996 Kawasaki Eliminator? It's a sorta sport-cruiser-standard. Low, low seat height (27 inches?) and a 600 cc inline four. As a matter of fact, I know someone selling a black one that already has case guards, luggage rack, and sissy bar. And the warranty is good until June. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 19:18:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06438; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22445; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20930; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.162] ("port 2053"@[205.177.250.162]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPP75ILB3491VSFQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:45:59 EST Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 18:45:59 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Jeep vs. El Nino To: "Adams, Bill" , Caron Rose Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IPP75JU1TU91VSFQ@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >If you don't buy the Jeep, give me a call when the Big Snow hits. I'll >pull you out with the Rover. If you DO buy the Jeep and the Big Snow >hits, give me a call, I'll pull you out with the Rover. Gotta go against you here. In the blizzard of '96, my '79 CJ-5 was the only vehicle we had (other than our MF tractor) that could go the entire mile of our driveway without getting pulled out. Good thing, since the Jeep did the pulling out. I really miss that thing:( ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 19:35:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06697; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:35:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22607; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:35:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1d.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21158; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:35:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.162] ("port 2055"@[205.177.250.162]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPP7B59KU891VSGS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:50:31 EST Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 18:50:32 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Weekend Weather Sucks To: Richard Westbrook , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IPP7B7HOPY91VSGS@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >What the hell is going on with the weather. Why does it only rain on the >weekends, but is beautiful during the week? I don't mind the cold but the >rain is another story. I think it's great. Means I can ride, while my girlfriend stays at home. Doesn't matter that I bought her a nice rainsuit, she won't ride in the rain:) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 19:42:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06788; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:42:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22628; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21237; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:40:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.170]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA24297; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:40:08 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , "Richard Westbrook" Subject: Re: Weekend Weather Sucks Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:37:37 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971107004007.AAA24297@default> Richard-- ride to work, work to ride..... Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 19:56:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07002; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:56:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22722; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21502; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.79.8.70] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id ABCB1E8E013E; Thu Nov 06 19:07:39 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCEAD4.91D5B740.jywon@imisys.com> From: "Justin Y. Won" Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Weekend Weather Sucks Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:53:54 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit God obviously doesn't ride motorcycles. Justin On Thursday, November 06, 1997 18:13 PM, Richard Westbrook [SMTP:richwest@XXXXXX] wrote: > What the hell is going on with the weather. Why does it only rain on the > weekends, but is beautiful during the week? I don't mind the cold but the > rain is another story. > > Richard Westbrook > Art Director > U.S. Conference of Mayors > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 19:56:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07007; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22726; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin53.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21508; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:56:21 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin53.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA25425 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:55:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:55:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971106195550_445250340@mrin53.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I want to buy your bike! Marcy again....looking for my very first bike: I'm looking to spend on the low end of $1000-1800 something like this: in the 500-650 range Honda Nighthawk **Honda Shadow **Honda V30 Magna Kawasaki KZ550, ZR550 Zephyr, EX500 Yamaha XJ550 Seika, XJ600Seika2, YX 600 Radian ( ;D thanks garcia!) also, if you happen to have a picture you can email to me, it would be appreciated (I don't know what they all look like) thank you Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 21:48:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08781; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23211; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23406; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from plato (slip166-72-250-93.pa.us.ibm.net [166.72.250.93]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA82518 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:48:19 GMT Received: by plato with Microsoft Mail id <01BCEAFE.AB22AB20@plato>; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:55:17 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCEAFE.AB22AB20@plato> From: "Robert W. Johnston" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Absolutely no DC-Cycles Cotent was RE: Jeep vs. El Nino Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:54:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me and my Cherokee against you and your yuppiemobile, anytime - anywhere JMHO Rob Johnston Friends don't let friends drive Rovers. -----Original Message----- From: George Howell [SMTP:georgehowell@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 18:46 To: Adams, Bill; Caron Rose Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jeep vs. El Nino >If you don't buy the Jeep, give me a call when the Big Snow hits. I'll >pull you out with the Rover. If you DO buy the Jeep and the Big Snow >hits, give me a call, I'll pull you out with the Rover. Gotta go against you here. In the blizzard of '96, my '79 CJ-5 was the only vehicle we had (other than our MF tractor) that could go the entire mile of our driveway without getting pulled out. Good thing, since the Jeep did the pulling out. I really miss that thing:( ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 23:18:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09966; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24674; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24981; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA19003; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:13:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:08:39 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Ha,ha,ha. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey all, They've got the Keenen show on at work tonight.He's a funny guy. He just did a real funny joke.He was talking about how cool motorcycles were cause they get to weave through traffic.Then he asked if sometimes, don't ya just wanna open your door on them,just once.Ha,ha,ha.The audience cheered too. Anyone know Keenen's e-mail address so I can send him my praise. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 6 23:52:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10307; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:52:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24846; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25399; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from bones.erols.com (spg-tnt16s131.erols.com [207.172.51.131]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA12695; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:51:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711070451.XAA12695@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "K.P. Bones Mahoney" To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:00:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: magazine/Trials riding Reply-to: bonez@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) > > American Motorcyclist (the AMA magazine) has a short but well-done article > that explains Observed Trials. My best effort in that regard was to say > "Man, it's amazing! You had to be there!" > > Richard > > Richard when at Cycles/Coleman did you ever see Rob Toole ride. he could ride over or on top of almost anything. He was about 6'3" but rode like he was a monkey. At the old Cycles building at Parkington ( Ballston now) I saw him ride up a brick wall about 5 feet and do a U turn and ride back down. I don't expect anyone to belive me cause if I Hadn't seen it I wouldn't have believed it. bones From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 06:25:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA14501; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:25:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA04046; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA29968; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:25:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh-ppp.clark.net (pooh-ppp.clark.net [168.143.1.54]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA06405; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:25:29 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971107062828.00808100@mail.clark.net> X-Sender: pooh@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 06:28:28 -0500 To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: New web resource... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is anyone familiar with "Ronnie Cramer's Motorcycle Web Index?" The site claims some 3,000 links, all categorized and easy-to-browse. Amazing. http://www.sepnet.com/cycle/ I've added it to my home page, below, which I'm cleaning up, though no major changes yet. If anyone should want to stop by, though... :) (HoTMetaL Pro 4.0 is just too cool.) MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 06:28:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA14511; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA04118; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:28:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin45.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA29987; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:28:44 -0500 (EST) From: Lgvxlh883@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin45.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id GAA15059; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:28:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:28:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971107062802_-357951739@mrin45.mail.aol.com> To: dimon@XXXXXX, MEIERCH@XXXXXX, bmccoy@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: Slippity slip. What about those DC drivers who grew up here and have only slid into a ditch once? (19 years old, 6:30 a.m., on my way to work). Do we have a category? Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 07:56:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA15040; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04578; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA01009; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as2s36.erols.com [207.172.110.99]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA14850 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:01:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711071301.IAA14850@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:58:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: We're gettin there! Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) I hadda go to my eye doctor to get a new prescription for my contacts. I was telling her about how easily they dry up when Im riding..and sure enough....SHE rides now, too. She took the MSF course, got a bike, and she and her riding boyfriend have been going everywhere. We may not be a majority, but us wimmins ARE starting to make a dent in the "rider market". We ARE gettin there! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 08:30:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15343; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:30:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04729; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01488; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAF124.64; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:30:15 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971106195825.009afd20@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 19:58:25 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Newbie Trip Report and Glove Advice... In-Reply-To: <19971106215802.AAA20260@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >MCN tested winter gloves a few years ago, including putting a ziplock bag >of warm water inside, putting the glove in the refrigerator, and measuring >how much the water cooled off. I bought winter gloves shortly before that >article, and I got Olympias. MCN rated them tops in quality, fit, comfort, >and crash protection, and nearly last in warmth. I agree. The top rated >glove for warmth, and 2nd best in all else, was the Tourmaster Elite for >~$110. I got a version of those from Coleen recently. Hasn't been really >cold yet, so I can't say. MCN ran two sets of tests. The first test didn't take wind into account, so gloves with good insulation but poor windproofing got good ratings. When MCN re-did the tests, they got different results. I don't recall what the best rated gloves were. Me, I'm still using my old official name-brand Harley-Davidson Made-in-Taiwan leather winter gloves. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 08:31:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15354; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04740; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:31:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from notes.sbd.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01508; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by notes.sbd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 85256548.004A6E3B ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:32:58 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBD From: "Caron Rose" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256548.004A07F3.00@notes.sbd.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:35:09 -0400 Subject: Jeep vs El Nino Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Well I must say, it's comforting to know that there are so many that would be willing to come bail me out if I got stuck. Now all I need is all the phone numbers! Seriously, though, I've been driving a 2wd vehicle since I started driving. I've only gotten stuck once, in a parking lot, in my 1979 Mustang with the nice sport tires, and rear wheel drive. Other than that, I've had a few puckers, but haven't gotten stuck. My dad taught me how to drive in the snow. I try not to spend too much time on the roads when there's snow on the ground, because even though I know how to drive in it, many times the other guy does NOT. Speaking of Rhode Island; When I was up there last spring, I noticed a LOT of leftover sand on the road. That must be awfully treacherous for the bikers up there. At least here, most of the sand is gone a short time after the last snow. But up there, I guess they've had to use so much, that it just takes longer to get rid of it. Caron From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 09:33:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16241; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05473; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02842; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (gwis2.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.252]) by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA01443; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:32:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mpt@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA12820; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:33:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:33:21 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Tolocka To: "Robert W. Johnston" cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Absolutely no DC-Cycles Cotent was RE: Jeep vs. El Nino In-Reply-To: <01BCEAFE.AB22AB20@plato> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Actually a few months back Car and Driver had one of those 4x4 shootouts. The rub was that some guy from 4Wheeler or something magazine made this off road obstacle test(s). A Land Rover Discovery won, closely followed by the Jeep Wrangler. Surprisingly, that RUBDC mobile the Cherokee Grand Limited Sport Gee Isn't My Bank Account Bigger Than Yours placed third. _Michael P. Tolocka_ 1990 CeeBeeOne AMA#608333 _Keep the shiny side up_ On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, Robert W. Johnston wrote: > Me and my Cherokee against you and your yuppiemobile, anytime - anywhere > > JMHO > Rob Johnston > Friends don't let friends drive Rovers. > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:georgehowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 18:46 > To: Adams, Bill; Caron Rose > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Jeep vs. El Nino > > >If you don't buy the Jeep, give me a call when the Big Snow hits. I'll > >pull you out with the Rover. If you DO buy the Jeep and the Big Snow > >hits, give me a call, I'll pull you out with the Rover. > > Gotta go against you here. In the blizzard of '96, my '79 CJ-5 was the > only vehicle we had (other than our MF tractor) that could go the entire > mile of our driveway without getting pulled out. Good thing, since the > Jeep did the pulling out. > > I really miss that thing:( > > > > ``` > (o o) > *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* > |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| > |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| > *--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 09:39:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16409; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05531; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin51.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02962; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:39:03 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin51.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) id JAA23548; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:38:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:38:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971107093828_849673323@mrin51.mail.aol.com> To: richwest@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Raindrops drop keep fallin in ma nose. In a message dated 97-11-07 07:51:31 EST, you write: << What the hell is going on with the weather. Why does it only rain on the weekends, but is beautiful during the week? I don't mind the cold but the rain is another story. Richard Westbrook Art Director >> Hell, you think this is bad! I remember the spring of '75, when it rained 9 weekends in a row! I almost lost my faith! Then I realized civilized mankind was expecting too much from the universe. hehehe I heard that turkeys are so stupid that when out in the rain, they look to the sky wondering what's going so long that they drown from the raindrops. I learned to stop looking up for the answer after the first time I nearly drowned. :) Sorry, Rich, :) and bear it. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 09:46:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16480; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05611; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03070; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:46:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA28722; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:45:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA25977; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:45:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971107144537.GCLW4591@XXXXXX>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:45:37 -0600 Message-ID: <34632990.2C18FF2C@mci.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:45:37 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: squeakers@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jeep vs. El Nino References: <199711061929.OAA30456@smtp3.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Everybody, Check it out!!! I am amazed!!! =:-0 Squeakers actually showed a little bit of tolerance here! Will wonders never cease? (Just kidding, Squeaks!) Dale (the Horkster) Squeakers wrote: > > Any 'image' booster vehicle will draw unfair criticism - when it's > > actually the person looking to improve their image that's the problem > > (hence squids, RUBs, and morons in 4x4 jeeps that get stuck). > > > > Cheers.. Brian > > > > > > You gotta point there, Brian. That hotdogger that was > sidewards in his Jeep was one. The guy was the manager of a > fabric store, had a brand new Jeep, and I DONT think he'd > ever even gotten DIRTY before....much LESS driven dirt > trails inna Jeep. Guy had NO idea what to do before we > showed up. Pat had to tell him EVERYTHING to do on HIS part > while we did ours. Yeah.. HE belonged inna Jeep all right. > Yet I just blamed it on the Jeep in my previous post. Oh, > well. You're right. It WASNT the Jeep. It was the Jeeps > ignorant driver trying to get his untried vehicle to do > things it WASNT capable of. Or perhaps WAS capable of with > the RIGHT driver behind the wheel. > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 09:49:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16499; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05631; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin54.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03108; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:48:57 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin54.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA12094 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:48:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:48:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971107094805_663380078@mrin54.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Road hazard peeves In a message dated 97-11-07 08:37:03 EST, you write: << Speaking of Rhode Island; When I was up there last spring, I noticed a LOT of leftover sand on the road. That must be awfully treacherous for the bikers up there. At least here, most of the sand is gone a short time after the last snow. But up there, I guess they've had to use so much, that it just takes longer to get rid of it. Caron >> Living in the country, my biggest slippery road hazard peeve is grass clippings broadcast on the right hand side of the road by lawnmowers. Richard Wood anyone else have a favorite(?) road hazard peeve? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 09:56:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16595; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05735; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03267; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:56:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA01232; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:54:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid03.mcit.com [166.37.221.15]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA30934; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971107145451.GMUS4246@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:54:51 -0600 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:52 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "kevin thomas" CC: , "Richard Westbrook" Subject: Re: Weekend Weather Sucks X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971107145451.GMUS4246@[166.41.242.141]> >Richard-- > >ride to work, work to ride..... > >Kevin Not today for me! I'm fairweather today. I consider it an opportunity to run some of the old gasoline out of the cage and take inventory of the mess in the cabin. Because someday I might clean it out! Seizing this opportunity I realized I'm 1500miles overdue for an oil change, and I need to affix the new FFax county sticker before I get taxed again. Damn you El Nino! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 09:57:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16609; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:57:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05759; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03285; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:57:16 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA15986 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:57:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199711071457.AA15986@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:57:12 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:57:12 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:57:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 9:52:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Jeep vs. El Nino To: squeakers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199711062315.SAA00358@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME > > > GAWD...it's times like this I thank GOD I'm a man! ;-) > > > > > > > > > and Im sure that she appreciates your thanks. :) > > > Im very happy to see that you're trained well enough to > understand that MEN do CRAZY things that require that > crazed hormone testosterone, whereas WIMMINS do INTELLIGENT > things that require the brain cell vitalizing hormone > estrogen. Good boy. Very good. > > Squeakers > > Comments: Authenticated sender is > Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. > > ...and just the other day I PEED ALL BY MYSELF........mommy didn't like it though..something about the couch being all wet now... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 10:13:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16870; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:13:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06128; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03789; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:13:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA15703 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCEB65.D34EEAC0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:13:42 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'RDWOODJR@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Road hazard peeves Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:13:32 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX[SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, November 07, 1997 9:48 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Road hazard peeves >--snip-- >Richard Wood > >anyone else have a favorite(?) road hazard peeve? Yes. Pedestrians not looking before they step off a curb to jaywalk ... oh, and parallel parked cars that dart right out into traffic. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 10:41:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17353; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06502; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:40:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04522; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA09121; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:40:04 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D21A100@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: We're gettin there! Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:39:58 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain You got dat right! We sure are...I had my first rain ride last night - some of us women DO ride in the rain - my motorcycle's quickly becoming my true addiction! My friend Marcy who just joined this list is the newest addition to us wimmins on the list too! Yay... - Jeannette > We may not be a majority, but us wimmins ARE starting to > > make a dent in the "rider market". > > We ARE gettin there! > > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 10:55:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17572; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:55:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06698; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04886; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.7/8.8.4/970102ccg) with ESMTP id KAA05219 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:53:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711071553.KAA05219@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jeep vs El Nino In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Nov 1997 08:35:09 -0400." <85256548.004A07F3.00@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:53:21 -0500 From: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" I think I heard "Caron Rose" say: >Speaking of Rhode Island; When I was up there last spring, I noticed a LOT >of leftover sand on the road. That must be awfully treacherous for the >bikers up there. At least here, most of the sand is gone a short time >after the last snow. But up there, I guess they've had to use so much, >that it just takes longer to get rid of it. Hmm.. I remember a few (3 or 4?) winters ago when we had all the ice that there were still piles of sand on the rouds around the apartment building that I lived in well into July. Of course, that was an unusual winter. -matthew ----- -matthew From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 10:56:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17597; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06720; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04925; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:52:07 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:55:51 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jeeps and other SUVs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Jeeps and other SUVs I don't know much about all these Jeeps and other sport utility vehicles. If my bike gets stuck this winter, I'm calling the guy who pulled a car with his ST1100. Sean '95 F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 11:04:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17792; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:04:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06926; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05217; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id LAA16421 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:04:22 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma016399; Fri, 7 Nov 97 11:04:09 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id LAA15186 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:04:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA878918486; Fri, 07 Nov 97 11:01:28 -0500 Message-Id: <9711078789.AA878918486@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 97 10:59:59 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Road hazard peeves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about the gravel drug into the road from gravel driveways.. especially when they are on the apex of a corner... Then again, that huge haybail sitting across my lane this past Feb was a bummer too. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 11:11:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17947; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:11:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07133; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:11:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05414; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id LAA16951 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:11:51 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma016932; Fri, 7 Nov 97 11:11:38 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id LAA15415 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA878918934; Fri, 07 Nov 97 11:08:57 -0500 Message-Id: <9711078789.AA878918934@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 97 11:05:16 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: We're gettin there! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I still don't think there's enough of you out there.. so go recruit somemore! brian (no, that's NOT a grin) ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: We're gettin there! Author: "O'Brien Jeannette" at smtplink-micros Date: 11/7/97 10:39 AM You got dat right! We sure are...I had my first rain ride last night - some of us women DO ride in the rain - my motorcycle's quickly becoming my true addiction! My friend Marcy who just joined this list is the newest addition to us wimmins on the list too! Yay... - Jeannette > We may not be a majority, but us wimmins ARE starting to > > make a dent in the "rider market". > > We ARE gettin there! > > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 11:12:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17962; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07143; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05426; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as4s17.erols.com [207.172.110.208]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA32015; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:12:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199711071612.LAA32015@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: , "Brian McCoy" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:14:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Road hazard peeves Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <9711078789.AA878918486@smtplink.micros.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > How about the gravel drug into the road from gravel driveways.. > especially when they are on the apex of a corner... Yes!! The GRAVEL! Every once in a while, for some incredibly stupid reason, they go through some of the back country roads out here and lay gravel down on the sides of the roads. Maybe they think its for drainage? I dunno. But it ALWAYS manages to get on the ROAD. Usually at curves. I HATE that. > > Then again, that huge haybail sitting across my lane this past Feb was > a bummer too. > > Brian > Yeah. That mighta been a ride spoiler. :) Squeakers > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 11:20:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18114; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:20:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07446; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05661; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:20:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id LAA17974 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:20:21 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma017912; Fri, 7 Nov 97 11:20:01 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id LAA15599 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA878919441; Fri, 07 Nov 97 11:17:22 -0500 Message-Id: <9711078789.AA878919441@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 97 11:13:21 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Sandy roads.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone said it best last winter with 'You know you're a hard-core biker when you aim for the sandy spots because that's where the most traction is) or something along those lines. This was made in reference to winter riding.. As far as sand lasting, in Wyoming and Montana (real (putting on flame suit) winters!) - the sand never really goes away.. they try to go sweep the stuff up somewhere in late May (when the sand's finally not needed anymore) and do a fare job of collecting - but it's always around. brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 11:21:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18138; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07474; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05678; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id LAA18180 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:21:51 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma018160; Fri, 7 Nov 97 11:21:39 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id LAA15645 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:21:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA878919534; Fri, 07 Nov 97 11:18:58 -0500 Message-Id: <9711078789.AA878919534@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 97 11:19:05 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Jeeps and other SUVs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for everyone that missed the DC party, this is a TRUE story! ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Jeeps and other SUVs Author: Sean Sullivan at smtplink-micros Date: 11/7/97 10:55 AM Re: Jeeps and other SUVs I don't know much about all these Jeeps and other sport utility vehicles. If my bike gets stuck this winter, I'm calling the guy who pulled a car with his ST1100. Sean '95 F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 11:23:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18164; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07537; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05731; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.246]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA22707; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:22:47 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Brian McCoy" , Subject: Re: Re[2]: We're gettin there! Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:20:16 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971107162246.AAA22707@default> Yeah, what Brian said! What good is a woman who doesn't ride a motorcycle? Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 11:24:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18190; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07570; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05766; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:24:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as4s17.erols.com [207.172.110.208]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA02347; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:24:36 -0500 Message-Id: <199711071624.LAA02347@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "O'Brien, Jeannette" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:27:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: We're gettin there! Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D21A100@badge.tuckerflyer.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > You got dat right! We sure are...I had my first rain ride last night - > some of us women DO ride in the rain - my motorcycle's quickly becoming > my true addiction! > My friend Marcy who just joined this list is the newest addition to us > wimmins on the list too! Yay... > > - Jeannette > It got to the point where I came to EXPECT it to rain buckets for every ride we went on. With a little experimentation, I learned how to wear my rain gear so that MOST of me stayed toasty and dry, no matter HOW hard it rained. The only thing I havent quite learned to deal with yet is the fogging thing. You know. If I only wore my glasses, my face would get SOAKING and the raindrops would HURT and the water would run down my eyes so I couldnt hardly see. IF, however, I put on my helmet with the face shield attached (yes, I DO have one) the shield would fog up so bad I couldnt hardly see anyway. Only difference was my face didnt get soaked and hurt by water missiles pelting it. I havent figured out how to deal with that yet. and ya gotta watch them runnin oil slicks. and blind cage drivers. and puddles. Im stayin inside today, thank you. :) Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 11:38:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18435; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08202; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06163; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as4s17.erols.com [207.172.110.208]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA05454; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:37:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199711071637.LAA05454@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "Brian McCoy" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:39:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Re[2]: We're gettin there! Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: Priority: normal In-reply-to: <9711078789.AA878918934@smtplink.micros.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > > I still don't think there's enough of you out there.. so go recruit > somemore! > > brian (no, that's NOT a grin) > > Ive got a 16 year old daughter that Im signing up for the MSF class. Does that count? :) Only she's sayin she's gonna take my bike. I said HA! and she said who's gonna stop her? She's taller than me, stronger than me, smarter than me and MUCH more endowed than me. I said *I* still control the money. She said Oh, yeah, thats right. hehehe Thats my girl! A chip off my block! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 11:52:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18683; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:52:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08797; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:52:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06591; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:52:27 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA20662 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:51:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199711071651.AA20662@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:51:52 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:51:52 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:51:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:49:17 -0500 Subject: My last word on Coleman Powersport To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <971106184542_1669701015@mrin41.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME > OK , all I asked was that those who had not been to that establishment, go > look at the accessory inventory! > I will not go into the economics of why a jap part sells for more than an ..actually I prefer nigger parts or yankee pig parts over jap parts...nothing a good imported Ducati with those expensive wop parts either...maybe the chinks can build us some cheaper aftermarket parts while they're at it...then again the gooks will probably make it better and cheaper... ...I think I've made my point.. Aki "I happen to be a jap" Damme From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 12:06:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18917; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09741; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin41.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06955; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:05:51 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin41.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA13798; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:05:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:05:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971107120505_-256494181@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: aki.damme@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Apology to Aki, et al. In a message dated 97-11-07 11:52:27 EST, you write: << .actually I prefer nigger parts or yankee pig parts over jap parts...nothing a good imported Ducati with those expensive wop parts either...maybe the chinks can build us some cheaper aftermarket parts while they're at it...then again the gooks will probably make it better and cheaper... ....I think I've made my point.. Aki "I happen to be a jap" Damme >> I apologize. I was insensitive. The expression is used in the industry and I just got used to using it. Must use full name in future, Japanese. Not "imported", that covers too many nations. I meant no disrespect. Richard Wood i'll probably really get it for this. damned country boy motorsickle rider From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 12:06:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18929; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09772; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06961; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as4s17.erols.com [207.172.110.208]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12179; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:06:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199711071706.MAA12179@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:08:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: My last word on Coleman Powersport Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199711071651.AA20662@egate2.citicorp.com> References: <971106184542_1669701015@mrin41.mail.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > ...I think I've made my point.. > > Aki "I happen to be a jap" Damme > Whats your point? heheheheheh ah, come on. They're CALLED jap bikes. It wasnt a reflection on the Japanese race. Jap bikes and Jap parts is the shortened version of Japanese bikes and Japanese parts. Which is what they are. Now *I* thought that a LOT of YOU out in the DC cyles list land were of the opinion that your "jap bikes" were far superiour to Harleys (american bikes) So.. in THAT case, doesnt the term jap bike actually mean something BETTER? Faster? More reliable? Havent we already covered this before? Like back when *I* first said Jap bike? Is it the rain? Cuz its a dreary day? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 12:18:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19187; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10300; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07286; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as4s17.erols.com [207.172.110.208]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA14571; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:17:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199711071717.MAA14571@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:19:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Apology to Aki, et al. Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <971107120505_-256494181@mrin41.mail.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > I apologize. I was insensitive. The expression is used in the industry and I > just got used to using it. Must use full name in future, Japanese. Not > "imported", that covers too many nations. > I meant no disrespect. > > Richard Wood > Dammit. Its WHAT they're friggin CALLED!! Im always hearing shit about Harleys and American made crap and unreliable and pieces of oil leaking shit etc etc etc... but it NEVER bothers ME. They're called jap bikes. Period. I will NOT aplologize for calling them what they ARE called, and I WONT LISTEN to someone ELSE apologize for it. This is RIDICULOUS. Being THAT DAMN sensitive makes NO sense, and no way in hell am I gonna CHANGE what I say because of it. Saying Jap bike is NOT intended as a personal slur against a race. Just as *I* dont take "American made leaking piece of shit" as a personal slur against me. I think I made that clear LAST time we got into this garbage. Thats all it is. garbage. Squeakers-SICK of this kinda shit From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 12:24:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19357; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10450; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07579; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA17535; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:30:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:30:09 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Raindrops drop keep fallin in ma nose. In-Reply-To: <971107093828_849673323@mrin51.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Maybe this is a message to the slaves: arise, break your clock and wage chains. Play in good weather, work in bad. --garcia > << > What the hell is going on with the weather. Why does it only rain on the > weekends, but is beautiful during the week? I don't mind the cold but the > rain is another story. > > Richard Westbrook > Art Director >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 12:27:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19472; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10616; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07748; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:27:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id MAA12685; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:26:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34634F10.9F9B9CB9@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 12:25:37 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: My last word on Coleman Powersport References: <199711071651.AA20662@egate2.citicorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is the abbreviation for Japan?? We sometimes say and write "jap" as an short version of Japanese. I can imagen that it was meant as a insult. I personally don't mind Yankee at all. Is there a "jap" baseball team in Japan? Can't we all just get along?? Jay aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > OK , all I asked was that those who had not been to that establishment, go > > look at the accessory inventory! > > I will not go into the economics of why a jap part sells for more than an > > ..actually I prefer nigger parts or yankee pig parts over jap parts...nothing > a good imported Ducati with those expensive wop parts either...maybe the > chinks can build us some cheaper aftermarket parts while they're at it...then > again the gooks will probably make it better and cheaper... > > ...I think I've made my point.. > > Aki "I happen to be a jap" Damme From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 12:30:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19543; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:30:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10941; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:30:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07880; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA22125 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCEB78.F7312FD0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:30:43 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , "'RDWOODJR@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Apology to Aki, et al. Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:30:30 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX[SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, November 07, 1997 12:05 PM >To: aki.damme@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Apology to Aki, et al. > >In a message dated 97-11-07 11:52:27 EST, you write: > ><< .actually I prefer nigger parts or yankee pig parts over jap >parts...nothing > a good imported Ducati with those expensive wop parts either...maybe the > chinks can build us some cheaper aftermarket parts while they're at >it...then > again the gooks will probably make it better and cheaper... > > > ....I think I've made my point.. > > Aki "I happen to be a jap" Damme > >> > > >I apologize. I was insensitive. The expression is used in the industry and I >just got used to using it. Must use full name in future, Japanese. Not >"imported", that covers too many nations. >I meant no disrespect. > >Richard Wood > >i'll probably really get it for this. damned country boy motorsickle rider No, you shouldn't. Because you were a big enough person to step up and apologize for it. Thanks. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 12:34:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19595; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11036; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:34:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08001; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as4s17.erols.com [207.172.110.208]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18001; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:34:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199711071734.MAA18001@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'RDWOODJR@XXXXXX'" , "Meier, Christopher" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:36:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Apology to Aki, et al. Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > No, you shouldn't. Because you were a big enough person to step up and > apologize for it. Thanks. > > He didnt say anything that needed to be apologized for. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 12:35:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19612; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11057; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:35:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08015; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA20149 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:35:02 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:35:02 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Apology to Aki, et al. Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:34:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 7 TEXT EVERYBODY knows that '60s Brit bikes are the oil leak champs!!! We used to be able to tell who had been at various bars by the drip patterns. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 12:49:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19806; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11318; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08348; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:49:16 -0500 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01EAE274@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Road hazard peeves Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:50:32 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Speaking of gravel have you noticed that WV uses what most people call stone dust on their roads in the winter? Its the same stuff they use on most playgrounds. U know its the blue gravel but very very fine. I don't see the need for this stuff. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > > How about the gravel drug into the road from gravel driveways.. > > > especially when they are on the apex of a corner... > > Yes!! The GRAVEL! Every once in a while, for some > incredibly stupid reason, they go through some of the back > country roads out here and lay gravel down on the sides of > the roads. Maybe they think its for drainage? I dunno. But > it ALWAYS manages to get on the ROAD. Usually at curves. I > HATE that. > > > > > > Then again, that huge haybail sitting across my lane this past > Feb was > > a bummer too. > > > > Brian > > > > Yeah. That mighta been a ride spoiler. :) > > Squeakers > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 12:51:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19849; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11371; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08418; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as4s17.erols.com [207.172.110.208]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA21523; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:51:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199711071751.MAA21523@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "Jordan, Michael" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:53:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Apology to Aki, et al. Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > EVERYBODY knows that '60s Brit bikes are the oil leak champs!!! > > We used to be able to tell who had been at various bars by the drip > patterns. > > Michael J. > > > I dunno about that. My Sporty already has a leak. Hubby says I need some kinda gasket thing. PLUS I overfilled it once, and GAS leaked out onto the ground. And I DONT mean from the place where I put the gas in. i have NO idea where it leaked out from. I dont fill it to the tippy top anymore when Ive just about run it dry. I figure it was either me lettin it just about run down to empty, OR it ws cuz I filled it till I couldnt get another drop in. ( I was onna trip, and wanted to go as far as I could without refilling). Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 12:56:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19990; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:56:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11471; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08572; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as4s17.erols.com [207.172.110.208]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA22569; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:56:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199711071756.MAA22569@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:58:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Road hazard peeves Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01EAE274@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Speaking of gravel have you noticed that WV uses what most people call > stone dust on their roads in the winter? Its the same stuff they use on > most playgrounds. U know its the blue gravel but very very fine. I > don't see the need for this stuff. > > Glenn Dysart > DysarGB@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > There was one road in particular here in VA that was a total bear to ride on. There was a sign at the beginning of the road that SAID loose gravel, so I slowed down on it, BUT I was FOLLOWING my ol'man and the gravel was SO FINE you could hardly even SEE it. I KNEW it was there cuz I could see what looked like DUST flying up from my hubbys tires. Which, naturally.. hit me just about everywhere. PLUS it made the road feel slippery and loose. I had to slow down and back off to get away from the dust that was pelting my face and hands and just about everything. It was a fine gravel that totally covered the entire road. Now what was the purpose of THAT kinda gravel?!?!? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 13:11:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20308; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12166; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:11:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09000; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id NAA28994 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:11:49 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma028965; Fri, 7 Nov 97 13:11:36 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id NAA18161 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA878926132; Fri, 07 Nov 97 13:08:55 -0500 Message-Id: <9711078789.AA878926132@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 97 11:42:35 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: 'wimmin' on bikes.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't know that she's quite old enough for myself.. but if you get her riding now, in a few years she'll make a great companion for some other boy (hope you taught her how to shoot too)... brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Ive got a 16 year old daughter that Im signing up for the MSF class. Does that count? :) Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 13:51:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21412; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13005; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10268; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id NAB148.96; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:50:41 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971107013654.009bd980@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 01:36:54 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Road hazard peeves In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>anyone else have a favorite(?) road hazard peeve? > > >Yes. Pedestrians not looking before they step off a curb to jaywalk I got a pedestrian real good one time. He leaped off the curb, into the road, while looking to the right, completely ignoring me. I had plenty of time to react, so rather than using the brakes properly, I just locked the rear wheel. When he heard the screeching tire he looked toward me ... and the look on his face was very ... rewarding. Perhaps next time he'll remember how his mommy taught him to cross the road! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 13:53:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21451; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13027; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:52:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10300; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:52:55 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA24607 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:52:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199711071852.AA24607@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:52:52 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:52:52 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:52:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:49:16 -0500 Subject: Apology to Aki, et al. To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <971107120505_-256494181@mrin41.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME ..thanks...and no offense taken...it concerns me however that derogatory ethnic remarks are routinely used in any industry and no one says anything...it's also apparent how easilly someone can get used to using derogatory terms in one environment and then innocently use them in another. cheers, -aki > In a message dated 97-11-07 11:52:27 EST, you write: > > << .actually I prefer nigger parts or yankee pig parts over jap > parts...nothing > a good imported Ducati with those expensive wop parts either...maybe the > chinks can build us some cheaper aftermarket parts while they're at > it...then > again the gooks will probably make it better and cheaper... > > > ....I think I've made my point.. > > Aki "I happen to be a jap" Damme > >> > > > I apologize. I was insensitive. The expression is used in the industry and I > just got used to using it. Must use full name in future, Japanese. Not > "imported", that covers too many nations. > I meant no disrespect. > > Richard Wood > > i'll probably really get it for this. damned country boy motorsickle rider > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 13:57:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21516; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13060; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin43.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10378; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:56:53 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin43.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA19827; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:56:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:56:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971107135600_104680873@mrin43.mail.aol.com> To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, squeakers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: We're gettin there! yes I I did half my riding class at NVCC in the rain already! ugh! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 13:58:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21533; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:58:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13087; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from dsava.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10413; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:58:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by virginia.dsava.com id <26882>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:56:17 -0500 From: "Chris Hamlett" To: "Garcia Oliver" Cc: Subject: Rain...and trip report (kinda long) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:58:11 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <97Nov7.135617est.26882@virginia.dsava.com> >Maybe this is a message to the slaves: arise, break your clock and wage >chains. Play in good weather, work in bad. Warms my heart to hear you say that. Why just this past Sunday, as I alternated between brooding on the weather and shaking my tiny fist at the sky, I concocted a scheme. My scheme combined my inherent laziness with a burning desire to go ride to make me skip out of work this past Monday morning, and drag my girlfriend along with me. Despite having lived in Virginia my whole life I'd never been down skyline drive in the fall, so that was the chosen destination. I've perused the archives and someone (Drew Cooper) mentioned a good road to take is Route 55 paralleling I-66 to Front Royal. Having done it, I have to say Drew knows what he's talking about. It being a weekday, we pretty much had the road to ourselves, so we took our time, stopped in Marshall for lunch, and made it to Front Royal around 2pm. Anyone that complains about the slow, heavy traffic on skyline drive in the fall has never tried it on a Monday afternoon--we saw a few cars at the overlooks, but didn't get stuck behind anyone or have anyone pull out in front of us the whole trip. And the trees were still putting on a pretty good show--there were a few bare trees along the road in places, but the lower elevations were still quite colorful. The skies began to darken as we headed south, and the increasingly ominous sky led us to one of the more exciting events in motorcycling: Racing The Scary Storm. We took 211 east out of the park, which turned out to be a curvy, twisting run down to Sperryville. Unfortunately, when I can see it raining in the distance in my rearview mirrors what I want is not a curvy, twisting road but a straight flat fast one back home. My prayers were answered in the form of rt 29 which, after Warrenton, forms about as straight a line as I could ask for from where I was to where I wanted to be, and we made it home without getting wet. All told I guess we rode about 170 miles; it was cool but sunny all day and, while I doubt the temperature went above 60, at least I didn't have bugs to clean off me or the bike. It was a good trip; days like that are the reason I bought a motorcycle in the first place. If anybody's managed to read this far, I've got a couple questions: Are there any web sites listing good routes (of varying length) for this region? What kind of maps do you use? I have a standard state map that's pretty well worthless for the kind of blue highways I usually look for. I also have Microsoft's Automap and DeLorme's Street Atlas and both are better than any of my printed maps. I found the CAMS web page, but what is PARR? Chris Hamlett '98 FXD P.S. If yamahas are jap bikes, are BMWs germ bikes? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 14:09:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21871; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13303; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:09:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10714; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:09:47 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA24982 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:09:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199711071909.AA24982@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:09:43 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:09:43 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:09:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:05:52 -0500 Subject: Re: My last word on Coleman Powersport To: squeakers@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199711071706.MAA12179@smtp3.erols.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME I *hate* to be a wet blanket so this is the last time I'll even mention this but let me vent some steam first... ;-) ..I guess it gets my goat whenever I hear anyone say, "everyone says it so it must be ok"...the frequent use of derogatory terms doesn't make it "ok" nor socially acceptable... In Japan, the word "Coco-jin" is used to describe anyone who is of African decent...(Coco for the color of chocolate and "jin" means person)...on the surface it doesn't *sound* derogatory, however in Japan, it is only used when one wants to insult someone of another color... the term "jap", was originally used as a derogatory term during World War II as was the term "nip"..the term "nip" has pretty much died a quiet death however the term "jap" is still used...if we started receiving african motorcycles, I doubt very seriously if Americans would so boldly call them "nigger" bikes and then innocently proclaim that they meant it in a "nice" way. that's it..that's all I'm going to say in this matter so let's just drop it and get back to bikes.... cheers, -aki > > > ...I think I've made my point.. > > > > Aki "I happen to be a jap" Damme > > > > > Whats your point? > > heheheheheh > > ah, come on. They're CALLED jap bikes. It wasnt a > reflection on the Japanese race. Jap bikes and Jap parts is > the shortened version of Japanese bikes and Japanese parts. > Which is what they are. Now *I* thought that a LOT of YOU > out in the DC cyles list land were of the opinion that your > "jap bikes" were far superiour to Harleys (american bikes) > So.. in THAT case, doesnt the term jap bike actually mean > something BETTER? Faster? More reliable? > Havent we already covered this before? Like back when *I* > first said Jap bike? > Is it the rain? Cuz its a dreary day? > > Squeakers > > Comments: Authenticated sender is > Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 14:19:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22180; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13395; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11111; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (gwis2.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.252]) by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA02653; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mpt@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA17659; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:19:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:19:09 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Tolocka To: aki.damme@XXXXXX cc: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My last word on Coleman Powersport In-Reply-To: <199711071651.AA20662@egate2.citicorp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > OK , all I asked was that those who had not been to that establishment, go > > look at the accessory inventory! > > I will not go into the economics of why a jap part sells for more than an > > > ..actually I prefer nigger parts or yankee pig parts over jap parts...nothing > a good imported Ducati with those expensive wop parts either...maybe the > chinks can build us some cheaper aftermarket parts while they're at it...then > again the gooks will probably make it better and cheaper... > > > ...I think I've made my point.. > > Aki "I happen to be a jap" Damme > You forgot the Polock parts, the Spick parts, the Limey parts, the Kike parts and Frog parts, not to mention those really green Mick parts. *;-) _aloha_ _Mike_ AMA#608333 1990 CB-1 _Keep the shiny side up_ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 14:20:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22200; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13403; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin41.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11130; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:19:54 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin41.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA29227 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:19:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:19:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971107141916_1970195074@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Apology to Aki, et al. Squeakers; In a message dated 97-11-07 12:17:48 EST, you write: << way in hell am I gonna CHANGE what I say because of it. Saying Jap bike is NOT intended as a personal slur against a race. >> I'm NOT taking apology back! If I realize I've insulted someone, then I apologize. That's the way my parents and Quaker grand-parents raised me. Hell, I'm even a polite cage operator. Ain't it great that people can be different. That way we can tell each other apart. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 14:32:10 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22400; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13545; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:31:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11403; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:32:30 -0500 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01EAE2AC@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Garcia Oliver , Chris Hamlett Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rain...and trip report (kinda long) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:33:47 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Just about any road around Skyline is good. Pick one, you won't be disappointed. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Are there any web sites listing good routes (of varying length) for > this > region? > What kind of maps do you use? I have a standard state map that's > pretty > well worthless for the kind of blue highways I usually look for. I > also > have Microsoft's Automap and DeLorme's Street Atlas and both are > better > than any of my printed maps. > I found the CAMS web page, but what is PARR? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 14:37:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22598; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:37:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13893; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11695; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:37:30 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams.amsinc.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) id QQdore23765; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.amsinc.com (mail-1.amsinc.com) by ams.amsinc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27681; Fri, 7 Nov 97 14:37:35 EST Received: from ccMail by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA878942234; Fri, 07 Nov 97 14:06:00 EST Date: Fri, 07 Nov 97 14:06:00 EST Encoding: 67 Text, 18 Text, 62 uuencode Message-Id: <9710078789.AA878942234@mail.amsinc.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Road hazard peeves The things I hate the most are those retreads from 18-wheelers...hit one of those the wrong way and you could be in for problems. A friend of mine was driving new to a truck when the tread came flying off...smashed her windshield :-( -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX '81 GS 750L (getting my crashbars today, awyeah!) (Embedded image moved "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" at AMS-Internet PIC001.PCX) 11/07/97 01:16 PM To: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: RE: Road hazard peeves Speaking of gravel have you noticed that WV uses what most people call stone dust on their roads in the winter? Its the same stuff they use on most playgrounds. U know its the blue gravel but very very fine. I don't see the need for this stuff. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > > How about the gravel drug into the road from gravel driveways.. > > > especially when they are on the apex of a corner... > > Yes!! The GRAVEL! Every once in a while, for some > incredibly stupid reason, they go through some of the back > country roads out here and lay gravel down on the sides of > the roads. Maybe they think its for drainage? I dunno. But > it ALWAYS manages to get on the ROAD. Usually at curves. I > HATE that. > > > > > > Then again, that huge haybail sitting across my lane this past > Feb was > > a bummer too. > > > > Brian > > > > Yeah. That mighta been a ride spoiler. :) > > Squeakers > > > > > > > (See attached file: RFC822.TXT) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Fri, 07 Nov 97 13:02:18 EST Return-Path: Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11318; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08348; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:49:16 -0500 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01EAE274@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Road hazard peeves Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:50:32 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) The following is an attached File item from cc:Mail. 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If yamahas are jap bikes, are BMWs germ bikes? No, KRAUT bikes, silly! :-) -Doug (Embedded image moved "Chris Hamlett" at AMS-Internet to file: 11/07/97 02:26 PM PIC01578.PCX) To: garicao @ CapAccess.org at AMS-Internet@ccmail cc: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Rain...and trip report (kinda long) >Maybe this is a message to the slaves: arise, break your clock and wage >chains. Play in good weather, work in bad. Warms my heart to hear you say that. Why just this past Sunday, as I alternated between brooding on the weather and shaking my tiny fist at the sky, I concocted a scheme. My scheme combined my inherent laziness with a burning desire to go ride to make me skip out of work this past Monday morning, and drag my girlfriend along with me. Despite having lived in Virginia my whole life I'd never been down skyline drive in the fall, so that was the chosen destination. I've perused the archives and someone (Drew Cooper) mentioned a good road to take is Route 55 paralleling I-66 to Front Royal. Having done it, I have to say Drew knows what he's talking about. It being a weekday, we pretty much had the road to ourselves, so we took our time, stopped in Marshall for lunch, and made it to Front Royal around 2pm. Anyone that complains about the slow, heavy traffic on skyline drive in the fall has never tried it on a Monday afternoon--we saw a few cars at the overlooks, but didn't get stuck behind anyone or have anyone pull out in front of us the whole trip. And the trees were still putting on a pretty good show--there were a few bare trees along the road in places, but the lower elevations were still quite colorful. The skies began to darken as we headed south, and the increasingly ominous sky led us to one of the more exciting events in motorcycling: Racing The Scary Storm. We took 211 east out of the park, which turned out to be a curvy, twisting run down to Sperryville. Unfortunately, when I can see it raining in the distance in my rearview mirrors what I want is not a curvy, twisting road but a straight flat fast one back home. My prayers were answered in the form of rt 29 which, after Warrenton, forms about as straight a line as I could ask for from where I was to where I wanted to be, and we made it home without getting wet. All told I guess we rode about 170 miles; it was cool but sunny all day and, while I doubt the temperature went above 60, at least I didn't have bugs to clean off me or the bike. It was a good trip; days like that are the reason I bought a motorcycle in the first place. If anybody's managed to read this far, I've got a couple questions: Are there any web sites listing good routes (of varying length) for this region? What kind of maps do you use? I have a standard state map that's pretty well worthless for the kind of blue highways I usually look for. I also have Microsoft's Automap and DeLorme's Street Atlas and both are better than any of my printed maps. I found the CAMS web page, but what is PARR? Chris Hamlett '98 FXD P.S. If yamahas are jap bikes, are BMWs germ bikes? 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J. Whalen" I think I heard Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX say: > > The things I hate the most are those retreads from 18-wheelers...hit one > of those the wrong way and you could be in for problems. A friend of > mine was driving new to a truck when the tread came flying off...smashed > her windshield :-( On one of my first trips after getting my motorcycle endorsement, this happened to me. The truck driver looked a lot more scared about it with me being behind him on a motorcycle that I was. Actually, aren't retreads illegal now? I thought that those were the remains of blowouts. ----- -matthew From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 14:57:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23667; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14992; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12401; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:57:05 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA26496 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:57:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199711071957.AA26496@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:57:02 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:57:02 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:57:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:54:07 -0500 Subject: RE: Road hazard peeves To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9710078789.AA878942234@mail.amsinc.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME my personal pet peeve are the metal grates on the bridges...especially the Wilson Bridge..ESPECIALLY when it's wet...tires feel all "woozy" and it feels like the bike is wandering all over the place...heaven forbid if I have to slam on the brakes while running over those grates! cheers, -aki > > The things I hate the most are those retreads from 18-wheelers...hit one > of those the wrong way and you could be in for problems. A friend of > mine was driving new to a truck when the tread came flying off...smashed > her windshield :-( > > -Doug > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX > '81 GS 750L (getting my crashbars today, awyeah!) > > > > > > > (Embedded > image moved "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" to file: hqda.army.mil> at AMS-Internet > PIC001.PCX) 11/07/97 01:16 PM > > > > > > To: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail > cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) > Subject: RE: Road hazard peeves > > > Speaking of gravel have you noticed that WV uses what most people call > stone dust on their roads in the winter? Its the same stuff they use on > most playgrounds. U know its the blue gravel but very very fine. I > don't see the need for this stuff. > > Glenn Dysart > DysarGB@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > > > > How about the gravel drug into the road from gravel driveways.. > > > > > especially when they are on the apex of a corner... > > > > Yes!! The GRAVEL! Every once in a while, for some > > incredibly stupid reason, they go through some of the back > > country roads out here and lay gravel down on the sides of > > the roads. Maybe they think its for drainage? I dunno. But > > it ALWAYS manages to get on the ROAD. Usually at curves. I > > HATE that. > > > > > > > > > > Then again, that huge haybail sitting across my lane this past > > Feb was > > > a bummer too. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > Yeah. That mighta been a ride spoiler. :) > > > > Squeakers > > > > > > > > > > > > (See attached file: RFC822.TXT) > > Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) > ; Fri, 07 Nov 97 13:02:18 EST > Return-Path: > Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu > by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) > id MAA11318; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:48:54 -0500 (EST) > Received: from dadc012.army.mil > by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) > id MAA08348; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:48:51 -0500 (EST) > Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > id ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:49:16 -0500 > Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01EAE274@XXXXXX> > > From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Road hazard peeves > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:50:32 -0500 > X-Priority: 3 > X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 14:59:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23703; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15251; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12475; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.7/8.8.4/970102ccg) with ESMTP id OAA07315 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:57:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711071957.OAA07315@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: maps.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Nov 1997 14:37:50 EST." <9711078789.AA878931645@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 14:57:28 -0500 From: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" I think I heard "Brian McCoy" say: > > This is something I've been thinking about too.. Being from Wyoming, > we had a state issued book of 'Highways and Byways - seeing the state > by scenic roads' or something like that - I've not been able to locate > ANYTHING in Borders or the few other smaller book stores that even > come close. Most talk about roads, but none have actual maps. I've > not had opportunity yet to search the WWW - but there's got to be > something like this out there... I kinda recall seeing books like this in the front section of the Barnes and Noble out at Bailey's Crossroads, but I didn't really look all that close at them.. ----- -matthew From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 15:08:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23995; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16165; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from UMDACC.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12756; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from UMDACC.UMD.EDU by UMDACC.UMD.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2271; Fri, 07 Nov 97 15:07:52 EST Received: from UMDACC (WKING) by UMDACC.UMD.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 2276; Fri, 07 Nov 97 15:07:52 EST Message-Id: <19971107.150751.WKING@UMDACC> Date: 07 Nov 97 15:07:51 EST From: "Wally M. King" To: Subject: MOTORCYCLE EVENTS From: WKING WOULD LIKE TO SUBSCRIBE TO YOUR MAILING LIST. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 15:17:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24198; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16520; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13122; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA19039; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA31800; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:16:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971107201657.JEJI4185@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:16:57 -0600 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:14 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Brian McCoy" CC: Subject: Re: maps.. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971107201657.JEJI4185@[166.41.242.141]> Try> http://www.MapsOnUs.com/ This neat page written and maintained by Lucent Technologies. I've used there routing features for real life adventure in downtown Philadelphia. Well, all I can say is heed there warnings to use at your own risk. Our 17 mile excursion from the middle of Philly to the northeast turned into a 1 hour bummer. But the maps were right, they just weren't quite accurate with mileage. Anyway, for high adventure on unknown motorcycle excursions I always turn to the printed Delorme topographics. There is at least one other person out there who has been with me on one of these joy rides Todd __________________________________________ This is something I've been thinking about too.. Being from Wyoming, we had a state issued book of 'Highways and Byways - seeing the state by scenic roads' or something like that - I've not been able to locate ANYTHING in Borders or the few other smaller book stores that even come close. Most talk about roads, but none have actual maps. I've not had opportunity yet to search the WWW - but there's got to be something like this out there... Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Are there any web sites listing good routes (of varying length) for this region? What kind of maps do you use? I have a standard state map that's pretty well worthless for the kind of blue highways I usually look for. I also have Microsoft's Automap and DeLorme's Street Atlas and both are better than any of my printed maps. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 15:41:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24620; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17084; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13697; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:40:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from user1.mnsinc.com (user1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.23]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01899 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:40:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (2xracers@localhost) by user1.mnsinc.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA20236; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:40:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:40:26 -0500 (EST) From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bill of Sale? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I seem to remember someone posting a sample bill of sale recently, but I could be mistaken. If someone has a "standard" one they use, I'd appreciate a copy via email... looks like I'll be both buying (tomorrow!) and selling a motorcycle in the near future! Thanks in advance, Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 15:42:00 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24637; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17103; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13743; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:41:24 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com [162.70.34.51]) id QQdori14910; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256548.0071FD21 ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:45:03 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256548.0070E528.00@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:39:31 -0500 Subject: RE: Road hazard peeves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=JttxrbAzOIYOIPKt0Eideoq0lC0Be20okMMo4ocvLo4Ub9khJ8KyK5Me" --0__=JttxrbAzOIYOIPKt0Eideoq0lC0Be20okMMo4ocvLo4Ub9khJ8KyK5Me Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, I know what you mean about those metal grates on bridges...I decided to take the Manhattan Bridge instead of the Brooklyn Bridge a few days ago when heading into the city, and much to my dismay the entire stretch was metal grates...at night, with crazy cabbies and car service morons zooming by in their Crown Royals :-O Scarrry... -Doug (Embedded image moved aki.damme @ citicorp.com at AMS-Internet to file: 11/07/97 03:26 PM PIC01243.PCX) To: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail cc: Douglas Brashear Subject: RE: Road hazard peeves my personal pet peeve are the metal grates on the bridges...especially the Wilson Bridge..ESPECIALLY when it's wet...tires feel all "woozy" and it feels like the bike is wandering all over the place...heaven forbid if I have to slam on the brakes while running over those grates! cheers, -aki > > The things I hate the most are those retreads from 18-wheelers...hit one > of those the wrong way and you could be in for problems. A friend of > mine was driving new to a truck when the tread came flying off...smashed > her windshield :-( > > -Doug > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX > '81 GS 750L (getting my crashbars today, awyeah!) > > > > > > > (Embedded > image moved "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" to file: hqda.army.mil> at AMS-Internet > PIC001.PCX) 11/07/97 01:16 PM > > > > > > To: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail > cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) > Subject: RE: Road hazard peeves > > > Speaking of gravel have you noticed that WV uses what most people call > stone dust on their roads in the winter? Its the same stuff they use on > most playgrounds. U know its the blue gravel but very very fine. I > don't see the need for this stuff. > > Glenn Dysart > DysarGB@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > > > > How about the gravel drug into the road from gravel driveways.. > > > > > especially when they are on the apex of a corner... > > > > Yes!! The GRAVEL! Every once in a while, for some > > incredibly stupid reason, they go through some of the back > > country roads out here and lay gravel down on the sides of > > the roads. Maybe they think its for drainage? I dunno. But > > it ALWAYS manages to get on the ROAD. Usually at curves. I > > HATE that. > > > > > > > > > > Then again, that huge haybail sitting across my lane this past > > Feb was > > > a bummer too. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > Yeah. 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To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:37:42 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1285ICH3DDRJ X400-MTS-identifier: [;43735170117991/2096546@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >This is something I've been thinking about too.. Being from Wyoming, >we had a state issued book of 'Highways and Byways - seeing the state >by scenic roads' or something like that - I've not been able to locate >ANYTHING in Borders or the few other smaller book stores that even >come close. How about Dale Coyner's book? Dale, are you out there? He's got mini maps for each of his routes. I highly recommend the book (dang, if I only knew the title). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 15:53:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24855; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14318; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11955; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id OAA08627 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:43:51 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma008594; Fri, 7 Nov 97 14:43:28 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id OAA20440 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:43:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA878931645; Fri, 07 Nov 97 14:40:47 -0500 Message-Id: <9711078789.AA878931645@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 97 14:37:50 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: maps.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is something I've been thinking about too.. Being from Wyoming, we had a state issued book of 'Highways and Byways - seeing the state by scenic roads' or something like that - I've not been able to locate ANYTHING in Borders or the few other smaller book stores that even come close. Most talk about roads, but none have actual maps. I've not had opportunity yet to search the WWW - but there's got to be something like this out there... Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Are there any web sites listing good routes (of varying length) for this region? What kind of maps do you use? I have a standard state map that's pretty well worthless for the kind of blue highways I usually look for. I also have Microsoft's Automap and DeLorme's Street Atlas and both are better than any of my printed maps. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 16:04:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25084; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14329; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11961; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:44:04 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA26122 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:44:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199711071944.AA26122@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:44:02 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:44:02 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:44:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:41:04 -0500 Subject: Re: My last word on Coleman Powersport To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME Ok... how 'bout this...for the purpose of this mailing list, the term "jap" will forever imply Japanese parts and/or bikes and will not be taken as a derogatory term, unless of course, it *is* obviously intended to offend...fair nuff for everyone? I'm an easy going kinda guy and I certainly don't want this to get outta hand...agreed? cheers, Aki "who owns a jap bike" Damme > > On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > > > OK , all I asked was that those who had not been to that establishment, go > > > look at the accessory inventory! > > > I will not go into the economics of why a jap part sells for more than an > > > > > > ..actually I prefer nigger parts or yankee pig parts over jap parts...nothing > > a good imported Ducati with those expensive wop parts either...maybe the > > chinks can build us some cheaper aftermarket parts while they're at it...then > > again the gooks will probably make it better and cheaper... > > > > > > ...I think I've made my point.. > > > > Aki "I happen to be a jap" Damme > > > > You forgot the Polock parts, the Spick parts, the Limey parts, the Kike > parts and Frog parts, not to mention those really green Mick parts. > > *;-) > > _aloha_ > > _Mike_ > AMA#608333 > 1990 CB-1 > _Keep the shiny side up_ > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 16:17:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25506; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:17:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17674; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15064; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA27558; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:16:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA21856; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971107211646.JPJG4185@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:16:46 -0600 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 16:14 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Kirk Roy CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: maps.. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971107211646.JPJG4185@[166.41.242.141]> >>This is something I've been thinking about too.. Being from Wyoming, >>we had a state issued book of 'Highways and Byways - seeing the state >>by scenic roads' or something like that - I've not been able to locate >>ANYTHING in Borders or the few other smaller book stores that even >>come close. > >How about Dale Coyner's book? Dale, are you out there? He's got mini maps >for each of his routes. I highly recommend the book (dang, if I only knew >the title). > >Kirk Motorcycle Journeys Through the Appalachians - Dale Coyner Get it at Whitehorse Press http://www.whitehorsepress.com/Products/ProdData/COYN.HTM Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 16:23:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25722; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17722; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:23:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08498; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:23:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA02590 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:15:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCEB98.C4DDAE30@XXXXXX>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:18:22 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'DC Cycles'" , "'Kirk Roy'" Subject: RE: maps.. Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:18:08 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motorcycling through the Appalachians ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Kirk Roy[SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, November 07, 1997 3:37 PM >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: maps.. > >>This is something I've been thinking about too.. Being from Wyoming, >>we had a state issued book of 'Highways and Byways - seeing the state >>by scenic roads' or something like that - I've not been able to locate >>ANYTHING in Borders or the few other smaller book stores that even >>come close. > >How about Dale Coyner's book? Dale, are you out there? He's got mini maps >for each of his routes. I highly recommend the book (dang, if I only knew >the title). > >Kirk > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 17:40:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27138; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:40:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18890; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:40:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17525; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (abr-as5s09.erols.com [207.172.152.200]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA31189 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:40:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199711072240.RAA31189@smtp3.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: Subject: Re: My last word on Coleman Powersport Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:16:46 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki "who owns a jap bike" Damme writes: > Ok... how 'bout this...for the purpose of this mailing > list, the term "jap" will forever imply Japanese > parts and/or bikes and will not be taken as a > derogatory term, unless of course, it *is* obviously > intended to offend...fair nuff for everyone? I think this is how it' *generally* meant when seen on a list such as this. Unfortunately, it's one of the few (if not only) potentially derogatory names that is derived simply by truncating the root name, and that makes it easy to be taken out of context at times. In the original post, I think this is clearly how it was used, not necessarily maliciously but certainly cavalierly. > I'm an easy going kinda guy and I certainly don't want > this to get outta hand...agreed? I think the VJMC list (Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club) is a good example of this. The term "Japanese bikes" comes up a lot and nobody wants to write it out every time. But due to some thin skinned people (and I probably just insulted some other group with *that* term :-) who jump up and down every time the term "Jap bike" is used, you see everybody writing "J-bikes" instead. Personally, I think that's rather silly. One usually should be able to tell from the context whether "Jap" is intended as a slam or not, and I suspect 90%+ of the time the term "Jap bike" is not. Unless it's being crossposted from the HD list, of course (Right, Squeakers! ;-) BTW, as a descendent of the victors at the Battle of Hastings, I object to the use of the term "Brit" in a previous posting on bikes that have oil seepage problems. Please spell it out in the future or I'll lob off your head with my +8 2-handed sword... -- Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 18:13:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27649; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19110; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18316; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:13:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as4s17.erols.com [207.172.110.208]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA07649; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:13:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199711072313.SAA07649@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: , Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:16:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: My last word on Coleman Powersport Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199711072240.RAA31189@smtp3.erols.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > One > usually should be able to tell from the context whether "Jap" > is intended as a slam or not, and I suspect 90%+ of the time > the term "Jap bike" is not. Unless it's being crossposted from > the HD list, of course (Right, Squeakers! ;-) On the OTHER hand.... if you DO read the harley digest or talk to some of the people that DO ride Harleys and will ONLY ride them, then yes, the term "jap bike" IS meant as an insult. NOT to the Japanese, however, but to the bikes themselves, as well as to the politics of trade between countries. Some people are strong believers in spending American money on American goods as much as possible. Paying American salaries of the American workers that PRODUCE those American goods. Keeping "our" money HERE. I personally agree with that philosophy. With as much trade as there is, and the way things are mass produced at low cost using low paid overworked employees in foreign countries, obviously only buying American isnt possible. Just about EVERYTHING has SOMETHING foreign made IN it. > > BTW, as a descendent of the victors at the Battle of Hastings, > I object to the use of the term "Brit" in a previous posting on > bikes that have oil seepage problems. Please spell it out in > the future or I'll lob off your head with my +8 2-handed sword... Well, *Im* a descendent of the Scots that hadda leave Scotland after that bloody war for Scotlands freedom from British Tyranny (British ALWAYS have to stick their noses into other countries business, dont they), so DONT rag on the SCOTS around ME, thank you. Actually, I seem to have a lot of "fighters" in my past. A general in the Confederate army, a grandad in WW1, my dad a fighter pilot in WW2 plus he was in Korea and in Viet Nam.... > > -- > Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 > denizen@XXXXXX > > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 18:31:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27989; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19728; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18792; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:31:16 -0500 (EST) From: jimi@XXXXXX Received: from clark.net (jimi@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27090; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (jimi@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA04639; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:30:17 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: clark.net: jimi owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:30:17 -0500 (EST) To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My last word on Coleman Powersport In-Reply-To: <199711072313.SAA07649@smtp3.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Squeakers wrote: > On the OTHER hand.... if you DO read the harley digest or > talk to some of the people that DO ride Harleys and will > ONLY ride them, then yes, the term "jap bike" IS meant as > an insult. NOT to the Japanese, however, but to the bikes > themselves, as well as to the politics of trade between > countries. Some people are strong believers in spending > American money on American goods as much as possible. > Paying American salaries of the American workers that > PRODUCE those American goods. Keeping "our" money HERE. I > personally agree with that philosophy. With as much trade > as there is, and the way things are mass produced at low > cost using low paid overworked employees in foreign > countries, obviously only buying American isnt possible. > Just about EVERYTHING has SOMETHING foreign made IN it. I guess you already know that many of the Kawasaki motorcycles ARE built in the good old US of A, Lincoln, Nebraska to be exact. Hondas are built in Timmonsville, South Carolina. Probably other manufacturers build here as well. Hell even my BMW car was built in Spartenburg, South Carolina, putting money in the pockets of American workers. What exactly is buying American supposed to mean? The way I see it buying any of these motorcycles/cars puts money in American workers pockets. -jimi From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 18:43:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28152; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:43:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20243; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19118; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as4s17.erols.com [207.172.110.208]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA14960; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:43:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199711072343.SAA14960@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: jimi@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:46:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: My last word on Coleman Powersport Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal References: <199711072313.SAA07649@smtp3.erols.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > I guess you already know that many of the Kawasaki motorcycles ARE built > in the good old US of A, Lincoln, Nebraska to be exact. Hondas are built > in Timmonsville, South Carolina. Probably other manufacturers build here > as well. Hell even my BMW car was built in Spartenburg, South Carolina, > putting money in the pockets of American workers. What exactly is buying > American supposed to mean? The way I see it buying any of these > motorcycles/cars puts money in American workers pockets. > > > -jimi > > Means exactly what it says. Made in America. Using American workers using AMERICAN parts. So..some of the companies now build offshoot companies here in the US of A. How ingenious of them. So.. now when you buy foreign, its even HARDER to tell which foreign goods are put together by foreign workers, and which ones are foreign goods put together by American workers. Using foreign parts, of course. Im impressed. Well, actually Im not, but it just seemed to fit to say it. Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 20:47:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29686; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21599; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:47:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21122; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (abr-as3s28.erols.com [207.172.152.91]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09436 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:46:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199711080146.UAA09436@smtp3.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: Subject: Made in America? Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:55:21 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Squeakers writes: > Means exactly what it says. Made in America. Using > American workers using AMERICAN parts. That's right. A lot of the parts come from foreign plants, but more and more are being made right here in the good ole US of A. So those Kawasakis built in Nebraska or those Hondas built in Ohio are about as "American" as your Harley built in Pennsylvania. > So..some of the companies now build offshoot companies > here in the US of A. How ingenious of them. Not very ingenious at all. They stole the idea from the Americans. We had car plants in Canada, Europe and South America long before they started building plants in other parts of the world. And those products are not necessarily just utilizing "cheap labor" to export back here, but are often sold to and specifically tailored _for_ the markets in the countries in which they are built. And this is true of more than just cars. So *now* who are the economic mercenaries? Get used to this term: World Economy. It *would* be nice if they had more open markets, let us build plants in their country, etc. OTOH, the typical HD slam of "Jap crap" is more often than not a reference to quality of product, not the economic politic. That's a *whole* different can of worms. > So.. now when you buy foreign, its even HARDER to tell which > foreign goods are put together by foreign workers, and which > ones are foreign goods put together by American workers. The build plate will tell you the country of assembly. Look! > Using foreign parts, of course. Im impressed. Well, actually > Im not, but it just seemed to fit to say it. You mean, such as those Showa forks (Made in Japan) that Harley puts on all their bikes, just to name one example? There are many others, that's just the one I can remember by name. Who's building their carbs these days? I seem to recall they also come from the Land of the Rising Sun. And what else? I'll have to see if I can find my laundry list... -- Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 21:36:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00179; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21830; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21618; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19549; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:36:06 -0500 (EST) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28352; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:36:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:36:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711080236.VAA28352@clark.net> To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX, richwest@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Raindrops drop keep fallin in ma nose. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Around 1990 - 1991 we had 13 straight weekends of rainy/disgusting weather in DC. I was not a happy camper. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 21:37:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00188; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:37:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21838; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21629; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as4s17.erols.com [207.172.110.208]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA21856; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:36:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199711080236.VAA21856@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: , Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:39:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Made in America? Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199711080146.UAA09436@smtp3.erols.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > That's right. A lot of the parts come from foreign plants, but > more and more are being made right here in the good ole US > of A. So those Kawasakis built in Nebraska or those Hondas > built in Ohio are about as "American" as your Harley built in > Pennsylvania. 'cept the harley has an american mother company. It doesnt belong to foreigners. Doesnt answer to them. Doesnt pay them for rights to use their foreign names. whatever. > Not very ingenious at all. They stole the idea from the Americans. > typical. If *we* do it, everyone else in the world wants to copy us. > Get used to this term: World Economy. I think Ive heard that one before. Didnt know that meant I had to settle for everything foreign, and was no longer allowed to at least TRY to find products from this country. At least.. as MUCH from this country as possible. > > It *would* be nice if they had more open markets, let us build > plants in their country, etc. Like the fair and equitable "rice trade" that we enjoy with Japan? >OTOH, the typical HD slam of "Jap > crap" is more often than not a reference to quality of product, not > the economic politic. That's a *whole* different can of worms. For some people, perhaps it is, though that was never the connotation from those that Ive heard it from. It was "jap crap" because of the economic politics of it all. It was pretty much agreed that "jap crap" requires LESS "fixing" than Harleys. heh But it was ALSO pretty much agreed upon that Harleys are WORTH it. > > The build plate will tell you the country of assembly. Look! You mean the plate tells you where all the different parts come from? Foreign parts CAN be assembled HERE in the states. > You mean, such as those Showa forks (Made in Japan) that > Harley puts on all their bikes, just to name one example? Thats a beef that Ive heard from a lot of Harley owners. They feel as if HD sold out. Its a practice that SHOULD be stopped. There are new companies popping up that claim that their bikes are totally american. maybe Harley will get the clue. I doubt it, though. > And what else? I'll have to see if I can find my laundry list... Like I said. Cheap, overworked, underpaid workers in foreign lands. Remember the big deal recently with Kathi Lee Gifford and Walmart? Child labor and clothes? It was in the newspapers. Maybe those adorable pajamas you're wearing right now were made by a 14 year old child working 14 hours a day? hey, ya never know. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 21:46:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00289; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21944; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21747; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:46:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21828; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:46:31 -0500 (EST) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05798; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:46:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:46:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711080246.VAA05798@clark.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX, squeakers@XXXXXX Subject: RE: We're gettin there! Riding in the rain is an interesting challenge and reminds you to keep on your toes. My Nighthawk is quite stable in the rain and wind (although the occasional skid and jump is disconcerting). Experiencing the environment we ride in is one reason we ride bikes, not drive cages. Enjoy it. Learn from it. But don't exceed your envelope of ability. - Dark (I don't do black ice or gravel) Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 22:16:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00649; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22093; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:16:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22058; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id WAA17335; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid03.mcit.com [166.37.221.15]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id WAA32047; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:15:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.158]) by imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971108031531.KOBX4246@[166.41.110.158]>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:15:31 -0600 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 22:12 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Squeakers" CC: , Subject: Re: Made in America? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971108031531.KOBX4246@[166.41.110.158]> Squeakers, dear, you are way to 'mericentric. Take a chill. Gettin' yer harley panties all in a wad dontch'a think? look close at american made, sometimes it ain't. Todd > That's right. A lot of the parts come from foreign plants, but > more and more are being made right here in the good ole US > of A. So those Kawasakis built in Nebraska or those Hondas > built in Ohio are about as "American" as your Harley built in > Pennsylvania. 'cept the harley has an american mother company. It doesnt belong to foreigners. Doesnt answer to them. Doesnt pay them for rights to use their foreign names. whatever. > Not very ingenious at all. They stole the idea from the Americans. > typical. If *we* do it, everyone else in the world wants to copy us. > Get used to this term: World Economy. I think Ive heard that one before. Didnt know that meant I had to settle for everything foreign, and was no longer allowed to at least TRY to find products from this country. At least.. as MUCH from this country as possible. > > It *would* be nice if they had more open markets, let us build > plants in their country, etc. Like the fair and equitable "rice trade" that we enjoy with Japan? >OTOH, the typical HD slam of "Jap > crap" is more often than not a reference to quality of product, not > the economic politic. That's a *whole* different can of worms. For some people, perhaps it is, though that was never the connotation from those that Ive heard it from. It was "jap crap" because of the economic politics of it all. It was pretty much agreed that "jap crap" requires LESS "fixing" than Harleys. heh But it was ALSO pretty much agreed upon that Harleys are WORTH it. > > The build plate will tell you the country of assembly. Look! You mean the plate tells you where all the different parts come from? Foreign parts CAN be assembled HERE in the states. > You mean, such as those Showa forks (Made in Japan) that > Harley puts on all their bikes, just to name one example? Thats a beef that Ive heard from a lot of Harley owners. They feel as if HD sold out. Its a practice that SHOULD be stopped. There are new companies popping up that claim that their bikes are totally american. maybe Harley will get the clue. I doubt it, though. > And what else? I'll have to see if I can find my laundry list... Like I said. Cheap, overworked, underpaid workers in foreign lands. Remember the big deal recently with Kathi Lee Gifford and Walmart? Child labor and clothes? It was in the newspapers. Maybe those adorable pajamas you're wearing right now were made by a 14 year old child working 14 hours a day? hey, ya never know. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 7 22:22:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00741; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:22:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22123; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:22:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22152; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:22:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA06459; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:22:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid03.mcit.com [166.37.221.15]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA03046; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:22:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.110.158]) by imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971108032210.KOGH4246@[166.41.110.158]>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:22:10 -0600 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 22:18 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Dark Hacker CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX, squeakers@XXXXXX Subject: RE: We're gettin there! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971108032210.KOGH4246@[166.41.110.158]> The Dark Hacker intoned: >Riding in the rain is an interesting challenge and reminds you to >keep on your toes. My Nighthawk is quite stable in the rain and >wind (although the occasional skid and jump is disconcerting). >Experiencing the environment we ride in is one reason we ride bikes, >not drive cages. > >Enjoy it. Learn from it. But don't exceed your envelope of ability. Good advice, I took the Beretta (chevy) today. BanG!..i meant, Todd! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 8 01:55:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02982; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25044; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:55:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA24659; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.122] ("port 2053"@[205.177.250.122]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPQYO93OR491W3KF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:04:34 EST Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 01:04:36 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: RE: We're gettin there! To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IPQYOA16EA91W3KF@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >yes I I did half my riding class at NVCC in the rain already! ugh! Hehe. I did ALL of my riding class in the rain last year. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 8 01:55:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02988; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25052; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:55:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA24665; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.122] ("port 2059"@[205.177.250.122]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPQZ1ZV99S91W3LW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:15:40 EST Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 01:15:37 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Made in America? To: squeakers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, denizen@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IPQZ218TLU91W3LW@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > 'cept the harley has an american mother company. It >doesnt belong to foreigners. Doesnt answer to them. Doesnt >pay them for rights to use their foreign names. whatever. Because there is no such thing as a Japanese investor owning HDI stock? Right. > There are new companies popping up that claim that their >bikes are totally american. maybe Harley will get the clue. >I doubt it, though. What's the big deal where it's made? Buy the bike (or widget) you like from where you want at the price you want. Heck, I think Harleys are the most stylish and easiest to customize bikes in the world. I don't know if I'll ever own one. I'm an impatient sort. When I want a bike, I want it now. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 8 01:55:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02990; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:55:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25051; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:55:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA24661; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:55:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.122] ("port 2053"@[205.177.250.122]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPQYO93OR491W3KF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:04:37 EST Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 01:04:39 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: RE: We're gettin there! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IPQYOCTNC891W3KF@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >My Nighthawk is quite stable in the rain and >wind (although the occasional skid and jump is disconcerting). Thought about getting a Nighthawk. And every time it rains, I am quite glad I got a shafty (two, actually:) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 8 01:55:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02996; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25056; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1d.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA24670; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:55:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.122] ("port 2051"@[205.177.250.122]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPQYM6RPF491W3K5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:02:54 EST Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 01:02:55 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: We're gettin there! To: squeakers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IPQYM7F0K291W3K5@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > We ARE gettin there! Yeah. Perched high on a pillion pad;) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 8 01:55:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02998; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25055; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:55:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1d.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA24666; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.122] ("port 2055"@[205.177.250.122]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPQYRBXA4G91W2E8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:07:03 EST Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 01:07:00 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: My last word on Coleman Powersport To: Michael Tolocka , aki.damme@XXXXXX Cc: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IPQYRCRK0I91W2E8@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >You forgot the Polock parts, the Spick parts, the Limey parts, the Kike >parts and Frog parts, not to mention those really green Mick parts. Kraut parts.... ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 8 01:55:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA03009; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:55:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25086; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1d.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA24680; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.122] ("port 2063"@[205.177.250.122]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPQZ6515ZK91W2FS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:19:03 EST Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 01:19:01 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Made in America? To: denizen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IPQZ68RNT291W2FS@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >That's right. A lot of the parts come from foreign plants, but >more and more are being made right here in the good ole US >of A. So those Kawasakis built in Nebraska or those Hondas >built in Ohio are about as "American" as your Harley built in >Pennsylvania. I thought Squeakers rode an XL, which would put final assembly in Milwaukee, I believe. Regardless, Victory (Polaris) motorcycles are making a bit of a deal out of the fact that they project the American parts content on their bikes to be higher than that of Harleys. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 8 02:38:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA03469; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 02:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA25821; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 02:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA25181; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 02:38:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.43]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA19648; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 07:37:31 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , Subject: Re: Made in America? Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 02:35:00 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971108073730.AAA19648@default> >OTOH, the typical HD slam of "Jap >crap" is more often than not a reference to quality of product, not >the economic politic. That's a *whole* different can of worms. Y'all-- I've been trying to stay away from this one, but I give up. I'm as American as the rest of you (great-grandparents came over from Ireland and Germany) but the "jap crap" reference is a _fantasy_, not a reference. If HD (or GM) would design and produce a product as good as a Japanese one, well, hell, I don't know and it doesn't matter, 'cause I don't see it ever happening. Maybe they have products that fit some folks lifestyles or tastes better than the Japanese, but in terms of design quality and build quality, the Japanese are best by far. And it's not the American workers' fault. The American workers build dozens of "Japanese" car and bike models right here in America, many of which get exported right to Japan. They're as good as the ones made in Japan. So why isn't a Cavalier as good as a Corolla? There's a 500-page answer to that, but basically it's the people in charge that let us down. And so you know, my driveway and garage contain: 1 Chevrolet, possibly made in Canada 1 Oldsmobile, made in the USA (with an engine possibly made in Mexico) 1 Mercury, made in Canada 1 Ford, made in the USA (with an engine made in Canada) 1 Ford, made in Korea (from a Japanese design) 1 Honda car, made in Japan 1 Honda motorcycle, made in Japan 1 Harley, with a Japanese carb, starter, and alternator, that doesn't run, doesn't stop, isn't mine, and is leaking oil all over my goddamn floor. Rebuilt in the USA by a possibly escaped mental patient, not affiliated with the Harley Davidson Motor Co. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 8 09:09:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05289; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26865; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27648; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (spg-tnt16s18.erols.com [207.172.51.18]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA16805 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:08:27 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19961108091201.00b3c8c8@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: gixer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 09:12:01 -0500 To: From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: maps.. In-Reply-To: <9711078789.AA878931645@smtplink.micros.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ok, first, VA makes a Scenic Road map which is your basic $2 road map, but the colors highlight scenic highways etc. Second, I have about 8 or 9 routes on my we page (see below). Some of them need cleaned up a bit but all are pretty much accurate and fun as hell. There would be MORE if ya'll would take a few minutes and write down your favorite routes...similar to the ones there.....Telling me head out 50 into West VA then taking any offshoot is nice, but for someone not familiar with that area or not wanting to be too brave and explore it doesn't help much..Ok, so I would go out and explore..but a lot of people want to start at point A ride through points b through y and end at point z. Along my own suggestions, after my visiting family members leave on Tuesday, I'll add some routes that I took with Al Wheat, John Koh, and a PARR poker run...(just make sure to hold me to that) Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 8 09:28:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05401; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:28:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26925; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27733; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29711; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from BERGIE.PARAGON ([207.152.132.67] (may be forged)) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02073 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:32:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711081432.JAA02073@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Bergie Frazier Jr" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Doesn't anyone RIDE? Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:28:02 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone on this list actually RIDE or does everyone sit around sending email 25 times a day? Of the 50 or so messages daily (sometimes more) I've only actually read messages of maybe 5% that are actually related to riding. Some of you need to see if your bike even STARTS anymore, that is of course, if you even own a bike.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 8 09:48:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05494; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:48:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26994; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27838; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as4s07.erols.com [207.172.110.198]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA05087; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:53:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711081453.JAA05087@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:50:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Made in America? Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: , Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19971108031531.KOBX4246@[166.41.110.158]> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Squeakers, dear, > > you are way to 'mericentric. Take a chill. Gettin' yer harley > panties all in a wad dontch'a think? > > look close at american made, sometimes it ain't. > > Todd > > Aw, dont worry 'bout it Todd. Its dark, dreary, drizzly and gettin colder by the second. I hate everyone. (equally) Gettin into a bitchfest helps me FEEL better. I figure if *I* have ta feel miserable.. EVERYONE ELSE hasta too. Ill stop hating everyone as Spring starts to come around. Besides. I aint got any Harley panties. Hardly ever wear panties anyway. But if I DID wear em and HAD Harley ones, I KNOW that they WOULDNT get inna wad if they were made in America! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 8 10:08:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05653; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27082; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28004; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA28155 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid03.mcit.com [166.37.221.15]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA20194 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:06:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.41.110.112]) by imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971108150651.KYXR4246@XXXXXX> for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:06:51 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:04:06 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCEC2D.A6059B40.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Doesn't anyone RIDE? Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:04:04 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yo, Bergie chill. Allot of us ride. Some don't post much because of it. I even rode yesterday and got soaked. The list is something I do when I'm at work/home and not riding. It's a good break. The goofy stuff is good too, 'cause it builds a sense of community. We ask questions and get answers (some that are completely unrelated). It helps fill the time between rides. It helps set up rides. Yeah, and maybe some of the chatter is annoying, but that's what the delete key is for. We're ok, though some of us are weirder than others, but we have a common interest - Motorcycles. Yeah, and the weather sucks, but it WILL get better (eventually). I'm hoping to ride tomorrow, maybe the Alan Wheat thingy. Okay by you?? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (waiting for my gear to dry out) -----Original Message----- From: Bergie Frazier Jr [SMTP:bergie@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, November 08, 1997 9:28 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Doesn't anyone RIDE? Does anyone on this list actually RIDE or does everyone sit around sending email 25 times a day? Of the 50 or so messages daily (sometimes more) I've only actually read messages of maybe 5% that are actually related to riding. Some of you need to see if your bike even STARTS anymore, that is of course, if you even own a bike.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 8 10:25:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05814; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27157; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:24:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin43.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28227; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:24:07 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin43.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA21714 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:23:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:23:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971108102332_-1844926984@mrin43.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Amnesia In a message dated 97-11-08 01:25:39 EST, you write: << Around 1990 - 1991 we had 13 straight weekends of rainy/disgusting weather in DC. I was not a happy camper. - Hacker >> I was here, but don't remember that streak. Must have amnesia from the shock. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 8 10:42:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05963; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27216; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:41:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin51.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28394; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:41:52 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin51.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA11395 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:41:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:41:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971108104121_-1023418624@mrin51.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Doesn't anyone RIDE? In a message dated 97-11-08 09:32:42 EST, you write: << Does anyone on this list actually RIDE or does everyone sit around sending email 25 times a day? Of the 50 or so messages daily (sometimes more) I've only actually read messages of maybe 5% that are actually related to riding. Some of you need to see if your bike even STARTS anymore, that is of course, if you even own a bike.. >> Biting words. Yep! Mine starts. But I'll tell you frankly, after commuting 30,000 miles a year for 12 years, I just don't have the same enthusiam for riding in this kind of weather anymore. I'll leave that to you youngins. I have been riding my Polaris atv in it though. Richard Wood ex motorcycle parts guru From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 8 10:50:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06047; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27264; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:50:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin41.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28464; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:50:51 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin41.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA09220; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:50:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:50:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971108105015_-1090851452@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: gnissley@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Keenen Ivory Wayans e-mail address In a message dated 97-11-07 22:06:54 EST, you write: << Hey all, They've got the Keenen show on at work tonight.He's a funny guy. He just did a real funny joke.He was talking about how cool motorcycles were cause they get to weave through traffic.Then he asked if sometimes, don't ya just wanna open your door on them,just once.Ha,ha,ha.The audience cheered too. Anyone know Keenen's e-mail address so I can send him my praise. The official BuellBoy Genes model. >> I found it. viewers@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 8 13:08:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07363; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29043; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00228; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:07:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ph@localhost) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA31573; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:12:00 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:12:00 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: viewers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, fccinfo@XXXXXX Subject: Advocating homicide on TV Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Mr. Keenan: I understand that on your show you recently encouraged your audience to hit motorcyclists with their cars. I find it hard to believe that anybody would actually behave so irresponsibly as to make such a remark. If you did in fact do this, then you should do one of two things, depending on if you meant it or not: If you did mean it, and believe people should try to kill motorcyclists with their cars, you should get back on TV and clarify your position, and perhaps suggest some cleaner options, such as firearms, which I understand are very effective at killing people. If you didn't mean it, then you should make a public apology, and explain that you don't think people should engage in homicide. Please help stop the insanity. How will you feel when one of your audience actually tries your suggestion? Will you see blood on your hands for the rest of your life? Respectfully, Peter Hartzler Systems Analysis Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX ---------- Forwarded message ---------- They've got the Keenen show on at work tonight.He's a funny guy. He just did a real funny joke. He was talking about how cool motorcycles were cause they get to weave through traffic. Then he asked if sometimes, don't ya just wanna open your door on them, just once. Ha, ha, ha. The audience cheered too. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 8 15:32:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09102; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:32:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29767; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin79.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02016; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:32:10 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin79.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA04665 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:31:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:31:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971108153139_378008692@mrin79> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Advocating homicide on TV Peter, In a message dated 97-11-08 14:18:59 EST, you write: << Dear Mr. Keenan: I understand that on your show you recently encouraged your audience to hit motorcyclists with their cars. I find it hard to believe that anybody would actually behave so irresponsibly as to make such a remark. If you did in fact do this, then you should do one of two things, depending on if you meant it or not: If you did mean it, and believe people should try to kill motorcyclists with their cars, you should get back on TV and clarify your position, and perhaps suggest some cleaner options, such as firearms, which I understand are very effective at killing people. If you didn't mean it, then you should make a public apology, and explain that you don't think people should engage in homicide. Please help stop the insanity. How will you feel when one of your audience actually tries your suggestion? Will you see blood on your hands for the rest of your life? Respectfully, >> I sent him a note also when I found the e-mail address. Anyone else feel like flaming? Nicely now. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 8 16:35:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09793; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00630; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:35:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from kilcody.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02635; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.kilcody.com ([10.128.0.110]) by GKCATL01.kilcody.com with ESMTP id <19599>; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:26:41 -0500 Received: by mail.kilcody.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:36:31 -0500 From: "Slawson, Kurt" To: dc-cycles Subject: "Winterizing" Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:34:00 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <97Nov8.162641est.19599@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Another neophyte queston: Winterizing---What is it, why is it necessary, and how difficult is it? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 8 18:10:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10996; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00947; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:10:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03877; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:10:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA07440; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:10:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34651BBF.6D@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 18:11:11 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: awheat@XXXXXX Subject: Skyline Ride Still On? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey y'all, Is Alan Wheat et al still planning to go for the Skyline ride tomorow? I am gonna presume the ride's still on. It's stopped raining :) JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 9 06:00:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA16997; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 06:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA03664; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 06:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin52.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA09064; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 06:00:03 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin52.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id FAA21355 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 05:59:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 05:59:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971109055932_-89325574@mrin52.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Winterizing" << Winterizing---What is it, why is it necessary, and how difficult is it? >> It is a good idea for these reasons, depending on the length of non-use (not always winter-time): Lead-acid batteries in autos, but especially motorcycles, tend to die with non-use because of the chemical reaction going on inside between the lead plates and the acid which produces electricity. What that means is 4+ months of sitting will cause you to buy a new battery in most cases. Unneccessary. The gasoline in the carburetor(s) will evaporate progressively until a sticky (or dry if too long sitting) residue is left behind, clogging carb jet oriffices and passages in the carb, requiring a tear-down and cleaning. Or just a run through with a mix of gas and automobile fuel injector cleaner if you're lucky. A partially filled fuel tank leaves exposed metal subject to rusting (if the tank is, as in most cases, steel). The rust can flake off later and end up in the carb(s), blocking jets and leaving you standing on a dark road in unknown territory a long way from home at an inconvienient time. Pretty scarey, huh kids? The tires, sitting on the same small contact area, may tend to "flat spot" from the pressure. Although it usually takes a long time for this to occur. Starting an engine when the thin protective film of oil has gravitated away will eventually shorten engine life. How hard this is depends on your vehicle, a single carburetored bike with no body-work is easier than a sport-bike with carbs deeply hidden by many square feet of body plastic with miles of hoses that you may disconnect and hopefully reconnect to the proper fitting. Some riders think they can just start their ride up every so often and let it run for 15 minutes. The problem with this is that the charging system will not charge the battery at idling rpms in nearly all m/c's. The engine needs to be at 1800-2500 rpm. Not a good idea for 15 minutes with no air flow to cool the engine. BTW, personal watercraft also need winterization to prevent dissapointment in late spring. Especially that water freezing in the engine cooling passages thing. And the corrosion of everything in the engine compartment. Storage (winterization) guidelines are in the last few pages of most late model motorcycles and PWC's owner's manuals. Avoid dissapointment now for an enjoyable first ride next spring! In all the years of selling parts and accessories at dealerships, I never felt good selling batteries in spring to non-winterizers, and pointing them to the service department for a carb cleaning. I would rather have taken their money selling an accessory later that would make them happy than being a party to the fact that their recreational joy cost them unexpected $$$. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 9 08:15:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17499; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03888; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09707; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.140] ("port 2052"@[205.177.250.140]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPSDQRTX4G91W9KS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 01:27:16 EST Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 01:27:15 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Made in America? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IPSDQSRY2A91W9KS@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >And so you know, my driveway and garage contain: > >1 Chevrolet, possibly made in Canada >1 Oldsmobile, made in the USA (with an engine possibly made in Mexico) >1 Mercury, made in Canada >1 Ford, made in the USA (with an engine made in Canada) >1 Ford, made in Korea (from a Japanese design) >1 Honda car, made in Japan >1 Honda motorcycle, made in Japan >1 Harley, with a Japanese carb, starter, and alternator, that doesn't run, >doesn't stop, isn't mine, and is leaking oil all over my goddamn floor. >Rebuilt in the USA by a possibly escaped mental patient, not affiliated >with the Harley Davidson Motor Co. That's a pretty big garage:) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 9 09:26:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17823; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 09:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04048; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 09:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10108; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 09:26:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26419; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 09:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.140] ("port 2054"@[205.177.250.140]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPSDSH76CW91WARP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 01:28:39 EST Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 01:28:38 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Doesn't anyone RIDE? To: Bergie Frazier Jr , DC Cycles Message-id: <01IPSDSIBWEQ91WARP@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Some of you need to see if your bike even STARTS >anymore, that is of course, if you even own a bike.. Checked it this morning. Not only did it start, it ran for about 2 hours. Tomorrow I'm gonna check it again for a few hours:) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 9 11:21:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18485; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:21:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04344; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10821; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:21:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.216]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA15559 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:21:06 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: RF700s for $200 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:18:29 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971109162105.AAA15559@default> Hey, y'all-- Cycles USA is selling all remaining solid color Shoei RF700 helmets for $200. Various sizes and colors. I noticed a couple of blues, a purple and a yellow. Probably others. Probably a similar deal on racer replica painted ones. OTOH, the new RF800 is only $280. Both are pretty good prices, not too far over mail order. 301-460-1600. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 9 12:18:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19153; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 12:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04732; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 12:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11735; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 12:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from 204.91.98.131 (pix000019.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.31]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA25925; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 12:18:31 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9711091220.AA23619@204.91.98.131> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 12:20:23 -0500 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Winterizing" Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline One question though: I think I'll be able to ride *some* this winter bc we always get a day or so of warmer weather where the roadsa ren't too bad, but is there a quasi- standard that says, if you let your bike sit x-days/weeks w/out riding, you should go ahead and winterize it? My guess is I'll ride once every 2 weeks, hopefully more. This ride I'm hoping will last about 50 miles or so. Do I need to winterize? (besides filling the gas tank up to the brim, putting STP (or other??) in the gas tank. Matt > > << > Winterizing---What is it, why is it necessary, and how difficult > is it? > >> > > It is a good idea for these reasons, depending on the length of > non-use (not always winter-time): > Lead-acid batteries in autos, but especially motorcycles, tend to die > with non-use because of the chemical reaction going on inside between > the lead plates and the acid which produces electricity. What that > means is 4+ months of sitting will cause you to buy a new battery in > most cases. Unneccessary. > > The gasoline in the carburetor(s) will evaporate progressively until > a sticky (or dry if too long sitting) residue is left behind, > clogging carb jet oriffices and passages in the carb, requiring > a tear-down and cleaning. Or just a run through with a mix of gas > and automobile fuel injector cleaner if you're lucky. > > A partially filled fuel tank leaves exposed metal subject to rusting > (if the tank is, as in most cases, steel). The rust can flake off > later and end up in the carb(s), blocking jets and leaving you standing > on a dark road in unknown territory a long way from home at > an inconvienient time. Pretty scarey, huh kids? > > The tires, sitting on the same small contact area, may tend to "flat > spot" from the pressure. Although it usually takes a long time for this > to occur. > > Starting an engine when the thin protective film of oil has > gravitated away will eventually shorten engine life. > > How hard this is depends on your vehicle, a single carburetored bike > with no body-work is easier than a sport-bike with carbs deeply hidden > by many square feet of body plastic with miles of hoses that you > may disconnect and hopefully reconnect to the proper fitting. > > Some riders think they can just start their ride up every so often and > let it run for 15 minutes. The problem with this is that the > charging system will not charge the battery at idling rpms in nearly all > m/c's. The engine needs to be at 1800-2500 rpm. Not a good idea > for 15 minutes with no air flow to cool the engine. > > BTW, personal watercraft also need winterization to prevent > dissapointment in late spring. Especially that water freezing in > the engine cooling passages thing. And the corrosion of everything in > the engine compartment. > Storage (winterization) guidelines are in the last few pages of most > late model motorcycles and PWC's owner's manuals. > Avoid dissapointment now for an enjoyable first ride next spring! > In all the years of selling parts and accessories at dealerships, I > never felt good selling batteries in spring to non-winterizers, > and pointing them to the service department for a carb cleaning. I > would rather have taken their money selling an accessory later that > would make them happy than being a party to the fact that > their recreational joy cost them unexpected $$$. > > > Richard Wood > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 9 14:03:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20197; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:03:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05960; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:03:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12936; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.3]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA11701; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:02:49 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" , , Subject: Re: "Winterizing" Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:00:12 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971109190247.AAA11701@default> Hey, y'all-- I ride whanever it's over 38 and not raining, so the bike usually gets parked from about Christmas to the first of February. That's also when school is out and I don't benefit from HOV lanes or MC parking spaces. I may ride the bike on a few nice days in there, but I don't put on a whole lot of miles. I don't do any winterizing and haven't had any trouble. I ride almost every day before and after that period. My method may not apply to those who are already riding only once every week or two (or less) in late fall or early spring. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 9 15:08:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21014; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08503; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:08:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin44.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13779; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:08:25 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin44.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA11176; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:07:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:07:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971109150753_1636606202@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: elliottm@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Winterizing" In a message dated 97-11-09 12:25:17 EST, you write: << I think I'll be able to ride *some* this winter bc we always get a day or so of warmer weather where the roadsa ren't too bad, but is there a quasi- standard that says, if you let your bike sit x-days/weeks w/out riding, you should go ahead and winterize it? My guess is I'll ride once every 2 weeks, hopefully more. This ride I'm hoping will last about 50 miles or so. Do I need to winterize? (besides filling the gas tank up to the brim, putting STP (or other??) in the gas tank. Matt >> Almost perfect, but make it 80 miles if you can. You probably don't need a fuel stabilizer. I wouldn't and I pretty much follow your regimen, I don't like to winterize, plus I still have serious winter gear to wear (I did sell my electrics, though). Now, if you haven't done this winter thing before, what are you going to do about faceshield fogging? I used to get to work not with face-shield fogged, but 6 inch icicles hanging off the chin off my helmet from the water condensation running down the shield. At least in sub-freezing weather. Ok list, what do you all prefer to use to prevent face-shield fogging (and freezing)? Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 9 18:18:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23647; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:18:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10635; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16863; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA21610 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:17:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34666EF0.17AC@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 18:18:24 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Trip Report (short + exciting ;) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, Well, when I got up this morning at 0630 hrs the weather did not appear promising, including local reports that maybe it would clear up in late afternoon. But my 8-year old pestered me out of my vacillation, so we headed out to the Manassas Country Buffet just to see how many bikers would make it out for Alan Wheat's promised ride to Skyline Drive. (Happily, the drizzle in Arlington cleared up soon). While we were the first ones to arrive, shortly thereafter seven other bikers made it so off we went! The route went something like this. 234 to 28 to 29 to 230 to 810 from Stanardsville. 810 is one of the nicest little roads I've ever ridden on in Virginia. Simply delightful - nicer than 606 IMO. If you have a chance to try this road for the first time, by all means do it. It's picturesque, twisty and a lot of fun - despite the little bit of construction that will slow you _way_ down ! >From there we took 250 to Skyline. By this time (noon-ish) the sun was peeking through, temps were up a bit and things looked good. However, once we climbed up a few K, it got pretty cold (40 or so and damp!) and the fog was as thick as the proverbial pea soup. We stopped at Big Meadows for some grub. 25 more miles of fog hampered driving finally brought us to 211 and boy, what a difference it was down below! Esst on 211 to 15-29 to the 66 slab. RT from Arlington put 299.1 on my clock - a new personal record for my daughter, who handled it all like a trouper. Great day, great ride. Glad to be home drinking beer ;) JK (http://www.mnsinc.com/jckozyn) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 9 19:53:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25528; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11824; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:52:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18856; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA23144; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:52:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34668525.4715@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 19:53:09 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: klthomas@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: "Winterizing" References: <19971109190247.AAA11701@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kevin thomas wrote: > I don't do any winterizing and haven't had any trouble. Then again Kev, you have a Honda "Interceptor" ;) JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 9 23:09:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27751; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13755; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:08:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20849; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01053; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:04:38 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:00:23 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Advocating homicide on TV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <971108153139_378008692@mrin79> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 8 Nov 1997 RDWOODJR@XXXXXX wrote: > I sent him a note also when I found the e-mail address. > Anyone else feel like flaming? Nicely now. The address Peter posted is correct?Count me in. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 9 23:50:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28096; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14581; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21369; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ph@localhost) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA06334; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:55:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:55:23 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler Reply-To: Peter Hartzler To: "Gil M. Nissley" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Advocating homicide on TV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm. On Sun, 9 Nov 1997, Gil M. Nissley wrote: > On Sat, 8 Nov 1997 RDWOODJR@XXXXXX wrote: > > I sent him a note also when I found the e-mail address. > > Anyone else feel like flaming? Nicely now. > > The address Peter posted is correct?Count me in. Actually, Gil, I didn't come up with that address, but I did send it that (snipped, thank you. :) email. I tried to write the flame so if it ended up in an inappropriate inbox it wouldn't have 'em diving for their prozak. ObDC-Cycles: While driving around the beltway on Friday evening, I ploughed through a mondo pothole (Water filled, of course.) Question: Who, and how urgently should I contact to report such a road hazard? I had a sprint phone, and I routinely report disabled people (#77) when I'm caging the superslab.. The hole definitely tested the suspension on the van, and could have launched a bike. Location, in case it's still there: Outer loop, right lane, directly under an overpass after the Cabin John Bridge. Ride Safe! Pete. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 00:00:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28218; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14644; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21489; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.141] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.141]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPTOTFA8CG91WIL4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:54:47 EST Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 23:54:46 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: "Winterizing" To: "Slawson, Kurt" , dc-cycles Message-id: <01IPTOTG4I8I91WIL4@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Winterizing---What is it, why is it necessary, and how difficult >is it? It's something that Rubbies do to their bikes in the fall. My brother also does it to his jetskis. As I understand, it is supposed to protect the bike if you don't ride when the weather gets a bit chilly. Get the tires off of the concrete, fill the gas tank (and put in some stabilizer while you are at it), change the oil, spray some fogging oil into the carb throats (or throttle bodies) until the engine dies. Pull battery. Go watch football or basketball until the start of baseball season. Personally, I'd prefer to do what I am doing now: look at the Gerbing and Widder catalogs. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 00:02:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28339; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14807; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21536; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01385; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:58:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:52:35 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Re[2]: We're gettin there! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9711078789.AA878918934@smtplink.micros.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Brian McCoy wrote: > I still don't think there's enough of you out there.. so go recruit > somemore! Actually,I don't think the problem is the numbers,it's that they're all _taken_. Too many of them get in cause their husbands/boyfriends ride.Don't any of them want to ride to meet men? ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 00:12:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28767; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15113; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21655; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:12:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA01618; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:08:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:01:02 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: We're gettin there! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199711071624.LAA02347@smtp3.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Squeakers wrote: > It got to the point where I came to EXPECT it to rain > buckets for every ride we went on. With a little > experimentation, I learned how to wear my rain gear so that > MOST of me stayed toasty and dry, no matter HOW hard it > rained. I learned how to ride in the rain the hard way;I was stationed in England for 2 years! > Im stayin inside today, thank you. :) Yup.I did all the rain-riding you'd want to over there.I don't have to ride to work,so the only time I ride in the rain is if I happen to get caught in it. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 00:17:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28849; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15188; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21735; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA01639; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:13:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:08:36 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: We're gettin there! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01IPQYOCTNC891W3KF@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, George Howell wrote: > Thought about getting a Nighthawk. And every time it rains, I am quite > glad I got a shafty (two, actually:) Why?I hated my Nighthawk S in the rain.The shaft got the back end squirrelly a couple times until I learned how to deal with it. When I had my Fireblade,I used to put Maxima chain wax on it.I went through a couple torrential downpours with it and never had a speck of rust on the chain. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 00:18:02 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28869; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15203; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21739; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.145] (unverified [205.177.250.145]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:20:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Security Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 00:17:54 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" While I'm pretty sure it's been gone over before, I wasn't paying much attention. In the next month or two, I should be moving into an apartment. I'll lose the heated, locked garage of my parents in favor of an open parking lot. Now hopefully, I'll have a ground unit, which means that once my girlfriend moves out, I might be able to park a bike inside. But since that is a hassle (plus a likely lease violation;) and it will be at least a few months, what is the preferred method of securing ones bike? Any lock brands to recommend? Alarms worth it? Anybody stock any of that stuff? ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 00:25:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29001; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:25:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15441; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1d.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21796; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.145] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.145]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPTPLH92LS91WHIM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:17:30 EST Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:17:29 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: "Winterizing" To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX, elliottm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01IPTPLM5WCQ91WHIM@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Almost perfect, but make it 80 miles if you can. You probably don't need a >fuel stabilizer. I wouldn't and I pretty much follow your regimen, I don't >like to winterize, plus I still have serious winter gear to wear (I did sell >my electrics, though). Does it make much difference what the alternator rating, and current draw are on the bike? >Ok list, what do you all prefer to use to prevent face-shield fogging (and >freezing)? Haven't tried it on MC's (first winter coming up;) but am going to get a new tin of Cat Crap from the ski store and coat the shield. Works well on ski goggles and eyeglasses (and hasn't attacked either of them...) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 00:25:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29002; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:25:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15444; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1d.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21798; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.145] ("port 2052"@[205.177.250.145]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPTPOCU8F491WHXB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:19:43 EST Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:19:42 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Re[2]: We're gettin there! To: "Gil M. Nissley" , DC Cycles Message-id: <01IPTPODICGY91WHXB@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Too many of them get in cause their husbands/boyfriends ride.Don't >any of them want to ride to meet men? ;-) Because EVERY girl wants to bring home a 'biker' to meet dear old mum and dad. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 00:32:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29092; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:32:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15579; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21897; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA01705; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:28:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:20:04 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Road hazard peeves To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199711071957.AA26496@egate2.citicorp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > my personal pet peeve are the metal grates on the bridges...especially My favorite is them four wheeled boxes.What do they call them? Automo-something-or-other?I hate them things.And they're all over the freakin place! > the Wilson Bridge..ESPECIALLY when it's wet...tires feel all "woozy" and > it feels like the bike is wandering all over the place...heaven forbid if > I have to slam on the brakes while running over those grates! One of the good things I can say about the S1 is that with the Sportmax II's,it does real good on gratings and rain grooved roads. My old VFR Interceptor was scary with the twitchy 16" wheel front end.It seems the more diagonal the tread pattern,the better the tires feel on grates/grooves. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 03:05:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA00721; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA16447; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin39.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA23478; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:05:33 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin39.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA15730 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:05:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:05:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971110030501_1422240824@mrin39> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Road hazard peeves << > the Wilson Bridge..ESPECIALLY when it's wet...tires feel all "woozy" and > it feels like the bike is wandering all over the place...heaven forbid if > I have to slam on the brakes while running over those grates! >> Has anyone besides me sat still in traffic on the bridge, on the grates, looking down to the river, with both feet planted firmly down to prevent tip-over because of the 5.9 earthquake produced by the rumbling traffic on the other side? Whooooweeee. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 03:10:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA00767; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:10:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA16502; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:10:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin84.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA23565; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:10:27 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin84.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA19908 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:09:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:09:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971110030956_2037513657@mrin84.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Advocating homicide on TV In a message dated 97-11-10 02:02:09 EST, you write: << > On Sat, 8 Nov 1997 RDWOODJR@XXXXXX wrote: > > I sent him a note also when I found the e-mail address. > > Anyone else feel like flaming? Nicely now. > > The address Peter posted is correct?Count me in. >> i pulled it off of here: Th e Keenen Ivory Wayans Show Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 03:26:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA00882; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA16605; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin85.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA23748; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:26:40 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin85.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id DAA04873; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:26:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:26:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971110032609_1929093819@mrin85.mail.aol.com> To: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: can't sleep In a message dated 97-11-10 00:44:07 EST, you write: << The bus leaves for Montana in 2 years, I'm driving, reserve your tickets >now so you don't have to ride on the roof. > >Richard Austin, TX. I'm moving to Austin. I just got back from a 3 week vacation (which included a stop in Austin), and some shit-head punk stole the gauges (speedo &tach) out of my car. Took their time about it... unscrewed everything nicely. At least I don't have to replace the dash... wanna help me pack? >> I HAVE A DREAM! A town created only for motorcyclists. With narrow parking spaces. And coat racks in establishments to hold your leather jacket and helmet while you shop/eat/drink. With a toll road with no exits for cages. Maybe not Montana though. Someplace where it doen't snow, with nearby mountains that do. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I've done it! It's ALIVE! Whoah. sorry, it's 3am and i can't get back to sleep. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 08:20:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03169; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20288; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:20:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26496; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21181; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA22874 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:20:24 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma022843; Mon, 10 Nov 97 08:20:09 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA28048; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:20:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879167843; Mon, 10 Nov 97 08:17:25 -0500 Message-Id: <9711108791.AA879167843@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 08:16:35 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re: Doesn't anyone RIDE? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WOOOOHOOOO!!!! MY bike starts, and runs.. and I rode it Saturday night (in the rain), put 60 miles on it on Sunday and just came to work on it too!! So, YES.. Some of us ride... though e-mail is easier to do while you're pretending to work (honest Mr. Supervisor, I was just going to ride over to Seattle to help them solve their computer issue.. ohh, I'll be back in about a week, just direct deposit my checks will ya? Thanks.. ;) Ride safe.. Brian McCoy ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Doesn't anyone RIDE? Author: "Bergie Frazier Jr" at smtplink-micros Date: 11/8/97 9:28 AM Does anyone on this list actually RIDE or does everyone sit around sending email 25 times a day? Of the 50 or so messages daily (sometimes more) I've only actually read messages of maybe 5% that are actually related to riding. Some of you need to see if your bike even STARTS anymore, that is of course, if you even own a bike.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 08:29:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03265; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20372; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26633; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAA356.75; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:28:37 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971109195851.00921a70@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 19:58:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Road hazard peeves In-Reply-To: <85256548.0070E528.00@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:39 PM 11/7/97 -0500, Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: >Yeah, I know what you mean about those metal grates on bridges...I decided >to take the Manhattan Bridge instead of the Brooklyn Bridge a few days ago >when heading into the city, and much to my dismay the entire stretch was >metal grates...at night, with crazy cabbies and car service morons zooming >by in their Crown Royals :-O Scarrry... There's metal grating covering the entire side of the road (3 lanes) at one intersection on Wilson Boulevard in Rosslyn. I had to make a left turn across that grating, in the rain ... I went way out to the side and stayed on pavement. I think I confused the car drivers, though. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 08:30:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03300; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20389; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:30:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26650; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:30:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26381; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAC356.75; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:29:43 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971109201725.0092b8a0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 20:17:25 -0500 To: "DC Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Doesn't anyone RIDE? In-Reply-To: <199711081432.JAA02073@smtp1.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:28 AM 11/8/97 -0500, Bergie Frazier Jr wrote: >Does anyone on this list actually RIDE Yup, commute 5 days a week, all weather. You? > or does >everyone sit around sending email 25 times a day? That, too. I live for the thrill. >Of the 50 or so messages daily (sometimes more) >I've only actually read messages of maybe 5% that >are actually related to riding. Your point? >Some of you need to see if your bike even STARTS >anymore, that is of course, if you even own a bike.. Well, it started this morning, but the starter clutch doesn't like cold weather. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 08:30:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03301; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20388; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:30:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26653; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:30:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id IAD356.75; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:29:44 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971109201916.0092b2b0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 20:19:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: "Winterizing" In-Reply-To: <97Nov8.162641est.19599@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:34 PM 11/8/97 -0500, Slawson, Kurt wrote: > Another neophyte queston: > > Winterizing---What is it, why is it necessary, and how difficult >is it? Check the electric vest connection, install the bigger windshield, put on the Hippo Hands if it's below freezing. Not difficult at all. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 09:09:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03744; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20987; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27332; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA08028 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA14445 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971110140828.NTDX4185@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:08:28 -0600 Message-ID: <3467155C.BDDDB164@mci.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:08:28 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Made in America? References: <199711081453.JAA05087@smtp1.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure they wouldn't get in a wad, they would just vibrate and leak!!! Horkster Squeakers wrote: > Besides. I aint got any Harley panties. Hardly ever wear > panties anyway. But if I DID wear em and HAD Harley ones, I > KNOW that they WOULDNT get inna wad if they were made in > America! > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 09:30:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04200; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:30:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21397; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27973; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA23845; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:30:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:29:14 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D21A123@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'George Howell'" , squeakers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: We're gettin there! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:29:12 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain NOT. I ride my OWN bike, thank you! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:georgehowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 1997 1:03 AM > To: squeakers@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: We're gettin there! > > > We ARE gettin there! > > Yeah. Perched high on a pillion pad;) > > > > ``` > ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 09:48:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04489; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22113; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:48:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28459; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id JAA03032 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:48:27 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma002989; Mon, 10 Nov 97 09:48:00 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id JAA00598; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879173113; Mon, 10 Nov 97 09:45:16 -0500 Message-Id: <9711108791.AA879173113@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 09:43:45 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re: Security MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Best thing I've heard of is a ratty looking bike cover - it kept my 500 from being messed with for the longest time (not that anyone would mess with it anyway). But that's the only 'security' measure I took at home - on the road, it's either the steering lock, and sometimes a Kryponite cable lock so I can lock the 'Stitch and Arai to the bike (friggin saftey gear's worth more than the bike!) Best of luck to ya.. Brian McCoy ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Security Author: George Howell at smtplink-micros Date: 11/10/97 5:00 PM While I'm pretty sure it's been gone over before, I wasn't paying much attention. In the next month or two, I should be moving into an apartment. I'll lose the heated, locked garage of my parents in favor of an open parking lot. Now hopefully, I'll have a ground unit, which means that once my girlfriend moves out, I might be able to park a bike inside. But since that is a hassle (plus a likely lease violation;) and it will be at least a few months, what is the preferred method of securing ones bike? Any lock brands to recommend? Alarms worth it? Anybody stock any of that stuff? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 10:08:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04764; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22350; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29049; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id KAB364.63; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:07:48 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971109220415.00966be0@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 22:04:15 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Security In-Reply-To: <9711108791.AA879173113@smtplink.micros.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:43 AM 11/10/97 -0500, Brian McCoy wrote: > (friggin saftey gear's worth more than the bike!) Sounds like you have your priorities in order! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 10:19:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05069; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22536; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin79.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29571; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:19:05 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin79.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA28110 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:18:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:18:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971110101833_-465262934@mrin79> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: STILL SEEKING BIKE I'm still looking for a bike to buy so keep me informed! Thank you! ...particularly interested in Shadow or V30 Magna and where to buy a good helmet, not too expensive? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 10:50:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05768; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:50:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23747; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00670; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as2s40.erols.com [207.172.110.103]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA05609; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:55:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711101555.KAA05609@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:52:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Made in America? Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3467155C.BDDDB164@mci.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Sure they wouldn't get in a wad, they would just vibrate and leak!!! > > Horkster > Ewww, Dale! Im not so sure that I like the mental imagery that you just conjured up. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 12:59:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09272; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26794; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06231; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:58:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:54:42 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:58:12 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trip Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I won't repeat the report on the trip to Skyline Drive, other than to agree it was a lot of fun. Great to meet everyone. John's daughter was indeed a trooper, and seemed to think John was the coolest dad in the world. Richard, I have used the Fog City Faceshield (about $12) to prevent fogging in a helmet I have since replaced. I thought it did a good job, and will use it again. Sean Sullivan '95 F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 10 23:29:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22333; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13188; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25415; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.155] (unverified [205.177.250.155]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:32:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Security Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 23:29:19 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Brian McCoy" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Best thing I've heard of is a ratty looking bike cover - it kept my > 500 from being messed with for the longest time (not that anyone would > mess with it anyway). But that's the only 'security' measure I took > at home - on the road, it's either the steering lock, and sometimes a > Kryponite cable lock so I can lock the 'Stitch and Arai to the bike > (friggin saftey gear's worth more than the bike!) I was actually thinking of the ratty cover idea myself. There's a good product: Pre-trashed covers for the security concious. > Best of luck to ya.. The first complex I looked at today specifically had a provision in the lease prohibiting the parking of motorcycles inside:( Gotta keep looking;) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 01:26:30 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA24090; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16294; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA27227; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:24:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from bones.erols.com (spg-tnt13s170.erols.com [207.172.99.170]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA16951; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:30:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711110630.BAA16951@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "K.P. Bones Mahoney" To: "Meier, Christopher" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:32:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Cycles Arlington Reply-to: bonez@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) The old "Coleman Powersport" ( boy was that hard to say, for along time it was "the new Cycles in Falls Church") it was called "Cycles Arlington" there was a "Cycles FairFax" and last and least "Cycles Woodbridge" but that was when Ballston was only a Metro Stop and the shopping mall was still called "Parkington" " Good Night Mr. Chelemi where ever you are!!!" ( don't ask, if you didn't know him you would NEver understand and if you did you wouldn't have to ask!) > What cycles building is in Ballston? > > Later, > chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 11:11:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00268; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22922; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06838; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id LAA12097 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:10:54 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma012084; Tue, 11 Nov 97 11:10:32 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id LAA18110 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:10:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879264462; Tue, 11 Nov 97 11:07:45 -0500 Message-Id: <9711118792.AA879264462@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 11:06:18 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Weather permitting, weekend ride? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alright, I've got a bike back - I want to do something short (200 mile range) - anyone else up for a quick, semi local ride? Oh, this weekend, either day - I'm free.. Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX P.S. - ok whiners who think that our list is nothing but personal chat, how's this post? (dripping sarcasm) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 11:31:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00803; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:31:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23956; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:30:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07639; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA21840; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:29:54 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D21A155@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:29:55 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sounds good to me, although I'll probably be bringing up the rear...(preferably Saturday), keep me posted! - Jeannette > anyone else up for a quick, semi local ride? > > > Oh, this weekend, either day - I'm free.. > > Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 11:57:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01239; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24448; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08440; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA17829 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:55:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCEE99.0A78D7F0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:57:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" Subject: RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:54:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You beat me to it, Jeannette. :-) I'm in, but it needs to be Sunday. Just post what the final plan is. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 11:29 AM >To: 'Brian McCoy'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride? > >Sounds good to me, although I'll probably be bringing up the >rear...(preferably Saturday), keep me posted! > >- Jeannette > > > anyone else up for a quick, semi local ride? >> >> > Oh, this weekend, either day - I'm free.. >> >> Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 12:26:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01902; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25734; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09557; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA27230; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA12537; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:25:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971111172532.TAQC4591@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:25:32 -0600 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:11 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Brian McCoy" CC: Subject: Re: Weather permitting, weekend ride? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971111172532.TAQC4591@[166.41.242.141]> I'm up for Saturday WX permitting. Sunday possibly. Todd Message-Id: <9711118792.AA879264462@smtplink.micros.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 11:06:18 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Weather permitting, weekend ride? Alright, I've got a bike back - I want to do something short (200 mile range) - anyone else up for a quick, semi local ride? Oh, this weekend, either day - I'm free.. Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX P.S. - ok whiners who think that our list is nothing but personal chat, how's this post? (dripping sarcasm) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 12:55:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02437; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26514; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10447; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.139]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA12404; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:54:55 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Todd Peer" , "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re: Weather permitting, weekend ride? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:52:19 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971111175454.AAA12404@default> Y'all-- Me too! Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 13:09:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02680; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26783; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10826; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:08:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA13251; Tue, 11 Nov 97 13:08:45 EST Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 1.22); 11 Nov 97 10:10:03 -0008 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 1.23); 11 Nov 97 10:09:53 -0008 Received: from pent200 by Bayview (Mercury/32 v1.23); 11 Nov 97 10:09:44 -0008 From: "Bruce Dimon" To: Cc: , Subject: Re: Made in America? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:08:24 -0800 Message-Id: <01bceecc$cd496690$cba0bb9d@pent200> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 What's the controversy? When I went shopping for a touring bike with a big, sophisticated, powerful, smooth, car-like engine, there was no "American" counterpart to the Japanese marquees. Still isn't. I don't want a V-Twin. Harley does not want to build fours or sixes. If an "American" company built a motorcycle with the engine I want, I would consider it. Until they do, it's a moot point. I would like to see a modern version of the Indian Four with shaft drive, fuel injection, four valve heads, and dual overhead cams. Bruce Breidfjord Dimon, Senior Programmer/Analyst A&T Engineering Technologies, VECTOR Research Division Work: 208-683-2080, FAX: 208-683-2036 Work: dimon@XXXXXX Home: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX Northern Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 13:14:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02761; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26817; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin58.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10922; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:14:31 -0500 (EST) From: AWheat@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin58.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA02290 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:13:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:13:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971111131358_-525393582@mrin58.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Last Sunday's SKYLINE Ride Dear DC Cycles folks, Thanks to those of you who were able to make our SKYLINE ride, this past Sunday. It went very well. The foliage was still near peak south of Stanardsville. The view from Skyline Drive was very good and rather colorful, too. It didn't look as if the weather would cooperate until the last minute. Once we headed south, we got out of the clouds and into some fantastic riding. It was quite an adventure for all. Join our email list today. Send an email to AWheat@XXXXXX and join 400 others who are already on the list. We have a web site, too. There's absolutely no cost, either. Thanks, Alan R. Wheat AWheat@XXXXXX http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 13:26:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02995; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27138; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11454; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA14014; Tue, 11 Nov 97 13:25:54 EST Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 1.22); 11 Nov 97 10:27:14 -0008 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 1.23); 11 Nov 97 10:27:04 -0008 Received: from pent200 by Bayview (Mercury/32 v1.23); 11 Nov 97 10:27:02 -0008 From: "Bruce Dimon" To: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" , , Subject: Re: "Winterizing" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:25:41 -0800 Message-Id: <01bceecf$375e9e40$cba0bb9d@pent200> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I have never winterized a bike because I ride all year long. If you can ride 50 miles every two weeks, you don't need to winterize. But I would fill the tank with gas at the end of that 50 miles if you think it might be another two weeks before you hit the road again. Hell, I know a lot of people who do not ride 50 miles in weeks during the summer. Riding through the winter is the best way to avoid carb problems. I have never had a carburetor problem on any of my bikes. Of course when you guys hop the bus to Montana in a couple of years, You will find it a lot harder to take a January joy ride. Last year we hard so much snow here that I could not ride for 6 weeks (longest the bike has ever sat). After three weeks, I ran the engine in the garage until it warmed up. Other than that, did not do anything, not even charge the battery (which I have had since summer 1994). Bruce Breidfjord Dimon, Senior Programmer/Analyst A&T Engineering Technologies, VECTOR Research Division Work: 208-683-2080, FAX: 208-683-2036 Work: dimon@XXXXXX Home: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX Northern Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! -----Original Message----- From: Matt Elliott - DIGEX To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sunday, November 09, 1997 1:31 AM Subject: Re: "Winterizing" >One question though: > >I think I'll be able to ride *some* this winter bc we always get a day or so >of warmer weather where the roadsa ren't too bad, but is there a quasi- >standard that says, if you let your bike sit x-days/weeks w/out riding, you >should go ahead and winterize it? > >My guess is I'll ride once every 2 weeks, hopefully more. This ride I'm >hoping will last about 50 miles or so. > >Do I need to winterize? (besides filling the gas tank up to the brim, putting >STP (or other??) in the gas tank. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 13:31:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03105; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27239; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:30:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11542; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id V874FVJJ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:37:41 -0500 Received: by anita with Microsoft Mail id <01BCEEA6.675C1100@anita>; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:33:32 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCEEA6.675C1100@anita> From: Anita Lauro To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:33:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm up for a ride on Saturday, weather permitting.... If there are any = relatively new riders lurking out there who might be more comfortable = with a shorter (slower?) ride, drop me a note. I've got my "new" '95 = Nighthawk (thanks to helpful advice & more from members of this list), = but I'm not sure if I'm ready to tackle a 200 mile ride just yet! :) Anita -----Original Message----- From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 11:06 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weather permitting, weekend ride? Alright, I've got a bike back - I want to do something short (200 = mile=20 range) - anyone else up for a quick, semi local ride? =20 Oh, this weekend, either day - I'm free.. =20 Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX =20 =20 P.S. - ok whiners who think that our list is nothing but personal=20 chat, how's this post? (dripping sarcasm) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 13:38:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03278; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:38:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27894; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11879; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:38:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id NAA27223 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:38:27 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma027193; Tue, 11 Nov 97 13:38:09 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id NAA21724; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879273321; Tue, 11 Nov 97 13:35:23 -0500 Message-Id: <9711118792.AA879273321@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 13:35:14 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re: Last Sunday's SKYLINE Ride MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan, I have to say this - you're a bum. The subject line (all that I really glanced at) had the date of 11/19/97. i thought that was a rather advanced notice for a ride, but was planning on going on the 19th!!! Come to find out you just typoed (or someone did) and I missed out. Now I've missed the foliage runs for 2 years in a row.. and I just want to climb into a hole and hibernate.. but irregardless of my primal instincts, I'm going to climb onto a motorcycle this weekend and go out to look ever-so-longingly at the bare, seemingly dead trees.. and just imagine what it would have been like. I just want you to know that because of that little typo, I've still only seen spectacular foliage changes in pictures and on TV - out west in the mountains, we only have Pine - those don't change colors.. and now I'll probably be wounded for life... *sniffle* sincerely, Brian P.S. - this is an emergency test of your HUMOR - if you're not laughing, please seek help. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Last Sunday's SKYLINE Ride Author: at smtplink-micros Date: 11/11/97 1:13 PM Dear DC Cycles folks, Thanks to those of you who were able to make our SKYLINE ride, this past Sunday. It went very well. The foliage was still near peak south of Stanardsville. The view from Skyline Drive was very good and rather colorful, too. It didn't look as if the weather would cooperate until the last minute. Once we headed south, we got out of the clouds and into some fantastic riding. It was quite an adventure for all. Join our email list today. Send an email to AWheat@XXXXXX and join 400 others who are already on the list. We have a web site, too. There's absolutely no cost, either. Thanks, Alan R. Wheat AWheat@XXXXXX http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 13:51:27 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03734; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28599; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12638; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id NAA05103; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:50:13 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D21A15C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Anita Lauro'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:50:13 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'm a newbie (12 weeks with bike). Where do you live? Perhaps we could get together for a ride sometime. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:anita@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 1:33 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride? > > I'm up for a ride on Saturday, weather permitting.... If there are any > relatively new riders lurking out there who might be more comfortable > with a shorter (slower?) ride, drop me a note. I've got my "new" '95 > Nighthawk (thanks to helpful advice & more from members of this list), > but I'm not sure if I'm ready to tackle a 200 mile ride just yet! :) > > Anita > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 11:06 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Weather permitting, weekend ride? > > > Alright, I've got a bike back - I want to do something short (200 > mile > range) - anyone else up for a quick, semi local ride? > > Oh, this weekend, either day - I'm free.. > > Brian McCoy bmccoy@XXXXXX > > > P.S. - ok whiners who think that our list is nothing but personal > > chat, how's this post? (dripping sarcasm) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 14:17:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04612; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29748; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13871; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:17:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh-ppp.clark.net (pooh-ppp.clark.net [168.143.1.54]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA11901 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:17:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971111140740.00958100@mail.clark.net> X-Sender: pooh@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:07:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Weather permitting, weekend ride? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm there! MET At 12:11 PM 11/11/97 -0500, you wrote: > >I'm up for Saturday WX permitting. Sunday possibly. > > Todd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 14:19:09 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04673; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29777; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13934; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA14686 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:19:00 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:19:00 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:18:56 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 14 TEXT Weather permitting, I'm in. Not that I'm a wimp, but I want to ride for enjoyment and doing it in survival mode removes a significant portion of the pleasure. Has anyone thought of a kickoff point/route?? Michael Jordan '93 GSX 1100GP '86 SRX-6 AMA IBA etc, > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 14:24:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04787; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29845; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14087; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id A55B580114; Tue Nov 11 13:35:07 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:23:48 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCEEAD.6D1B7480.jywon@imisys.com> From: "Justin Y. Won" Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:23:46 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in!! Wait a second...I don't have a bike. Anybody need a pillion? Justin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 14:29:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04896; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29906; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14243; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id OAA02275 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:29:29 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma002256; Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:29:18 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id OAA22717 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:29:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879275378; Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:26:24 -0500 Message-Id: <9711118792.AA879275378@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:08:24 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: now now... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 'wimmin' aren't 'allowed' to go off and ride on their own. That's just not right I tell ya. All the 'work' we do to get you on a bike, then you turn around and don't want to ride with us... sheesh.. :P brian *dang, this heartburn makes me cranky* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 14:34:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05016; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:34:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29970; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin46.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14435; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:34:40 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin46.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA04741 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:34:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:34:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971111143409_-1006412629@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Faceshield fogging In a message dated 97-11-11 04:29:50 EST, you write: << I have used the Fog City Faceshield (about $12) to prevent fogging in a helmet I have since replaced. I thought it did a good job, and will use it again. Sean Sullivan >> I concurr, but you need to be carefull installing it on the shield. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 14:55:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05444; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00390; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:55:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin83.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15102; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:55:42 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin83.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA08606; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:55:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:55:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971111145506_1079819700@mrin83.mail.aol.com> To: dimon@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Riding in winter In a message dated 97-11-11 14:27:58 EST, you write: << Of course when you guys hop the bus to Montana in a couple of years, You will find it a lot harder to take a January joy ride. Last year we hard so much snow here that I could not ride for 6 weeks >> One word: snowmobiles. I once worked at dealer that had Kawasaki snowmobiles. Found out how much fun they are. Even accepted by townspeople to point where snowmobilers ride downtown into towns for a meal or evening out. Not to mention that you can ride off road without getting dirty and go from 0-60 in 5 seconds on faster models. snowmobiles, woooooooooooooooh. See! There's no reason to ever grow up! Cripes, when I'm in a wheelchair I'll find a way to make it fast. Richard Wood p.s. me n' the wife went downtown d.c. today to see the vets in their colors ( and a doctor's appointment) Didn't see anyone I recognized, been a while since my discharge (1974). We should've ridden, this country boy drove around for 20 minutes in the minivan looking for a parking spot with the pain upstairs that makes your eyeballs ache. Take me home, John Denver. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 15:01:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05645; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:01:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00468; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15349; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id PAA04923 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:01:30 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma004894; Tue, 11 Nov 97 15:01:06 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id PAA23505 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879278296; Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:58:19 -0500 Message-Id: <9711118792.AA879278296@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:57:46 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Weekend Ride MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, I've gotten a positive response this time - First things first, Some people can only go on one day - I don't mind doing 2 rides - so I'll need to get a preference of day from ya'll - I'd like for it to warm up a little, figure a 10am leave time, and I'd like to know where everyone's coming from so I can decide a good start point and route. Of course, if anyone has a good ride they haven't done in awhile, and want to lead.. volunteers are ALWAYS accepted.. Lets go ride! your humble servservant. brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 15:12:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05898; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00684; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15626; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id PAA28597; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:10:54 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D21A165@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Weekend Ride Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:10:55 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'd prefer Saturday, but maybe can do Sunday. I live in Alexandria, so I'd prefer leaving from VA/DC area(s)... 10AM is fine. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 2:58 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Weekend Ride > > > Ok, I've gotten a positive response this time - First things > first, > Some people can only go on one day - I don't mind doing 2 rides - > so > I'll need to get a preference of day from ya'll - I'd like for it > to > warm up a little, figure a 10am leave time, and I'd like to know > where > everyone's coming from so I can decide a good start point and > route. > Of course, if anyone has a good ride they haven't done in awhile, > and > want to lead.. volunteers are ALWAYS accepted.. > > Lets go ride! > > your humble servservant. brian > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 15:28:48 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06347; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01419; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:28:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16335; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:28:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA03588; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA11338; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:28:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971111202807.WTQF4185@XXXXXX>; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:28:07 -0600 Message-ID: <3468BFD6.27E4F208@mci.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:28:07 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Faceshield fogging References: <971111143409_-1006412629@mrin46.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I heartily agree about being careful, my Fog City is on a little bit crooked... /;/-( It does keep the fog off though. Now I need some little ones for my eyeglasses! Dale (the Horkster) RDWOODJR@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 97-11-11 04:29:50 EST, you write: > > << I have used the Fog City Faceshield (about $12) > to prevent fogging in a helmet I have since replaced. I > thought it did a good job, and will use it again. > Sean Sullivan >> > > I concurr, but you need to be carefull installing it on the shield. > Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 15:38:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06603; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:38:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02042; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:38:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16700; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:38:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA22648 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:37:55 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:37:55 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Weekend Ride Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:37:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 19 TEXT >I'd like to know where everyone's coming from so I can decide >a good start point and route Good point - I'm starting from Sterling, VA (Dulles airport area) Nice short loop starting from Leesburg goes to Harper's Ferry, WV to Sharpsburg, MD (along the Potomac east bank), back to Harper's Ferry (along the Potomac west bank) across 340 and along the Shenandoah to route 9 and back to Leesburg. As I recall, the Leesburg-Leesburg loop is right about 120 miles (don't hold me to this). Possible lunch/BS/warmup stops are at Harper's Ferry (a little over half way through) and Leesburg (Payne's Biker Cafe, of course). Microsoft's Automap doesn't cover the requisite roads, so will check with Map 'n Go at home Michael Jordan '93 GSX 1100GP '86 SRX-6 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 15:46:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06793; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:46:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02235; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16963; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id PAA09599; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:45:29 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D21A16B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX'" , RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Faceshield fogging Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:45:30 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I saw something called a Fog City Fog Thing in the Chaparral Catalog that's for goggles for $6.99. Perhaps it would work for glasses, too (?) - Jeannette It does keep the fog off though. Now I need some little ones for my eyeglasses! Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 16:24:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07889; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03459; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin47.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18117; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:24:23 -0500 (EST) From: AWheat@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin47.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA08604 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:23:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:23:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971111162352_194139338@mrin47> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Last Sunday's SKYLINE Ride In a message dated 97-11-11 16:14:01 EST, you write: > Alan, > > I have to say this - you're a bum. The subject line (all that I > really glanced at) had the date of 11/19/97. i thought that was a > rather advanced notice for a ride, but was planning on going on the > 19th!!! Come to find out you just typoed (or someone did) and I > missed out. Now I've missed the foliage runs for 2 years in a row.. > and I just want to climb into a hole and hibernate.. but irregardless > of my primal instincts, I'm going to climb onto a motorcycle this > weekend and go out to look ever-so-longingly at the bare, seemingly > dead trees.. and just imagine what it would have been like. > > I just want you to know that because of that little typo, I've still > only seen spectacular foliage changes in pictures and on TV - out west > in the mountains, we only have Pine - those don't change colors.. and > now I'll probably be wounded for life... *sniffle* > > sincerely, > > Brian > > P.S. - this is an emergency test of your HUMOR - if you're not > laughing, please seek help. > I know, I know... :-( I did sent out one or two emails in an attempt to correct the typo once it was pointed out to me. The body of the email read correctly, too. But you're right, I'm a bum for not proof reading it better (I got your humor BTW). So, between the cloudy weather, wet roads, and mistyped email, I would've had a much larger turnout. I'm not unhappy about the number that made it, however. We had a great bunch of riders and I was happy to ride with each of them. My lesson is to proof read better and yours is to read the email past the subject line (he he he). I'll give you the route we took if you like. All may not be lost if you venture out this weekend. As for me, I'll be in Naples, Florida next week at some resort on a business trip. Enjoy the foliage. NOW I'm a bum!!! Alan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 16:55:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08701; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03803; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19310; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:54:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (rave@XXXXXX [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00260; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:54:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3468B43E.485C@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:38:38 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Weather permitting, weekend ride? References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D21A155@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Sounds good to me, although I'll probably be bringing up the > rear...(preferably Saturday), keep me posted! Add one more Interceptor !! Saturday is perf for me (did all the lawn chores today :) JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 17:20:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09451; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:20:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04084; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20447; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:20:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA16499; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:26:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:26:23 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Bruce Dimon cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Winterizing" In-Reply-To: <01bceecf$375e9e40$cba0bb9d@pent200> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, Bruce Dimon wrote: [snip]> < I ran the engine in the > garage until it warmed up. Since you're alive, I gather that you avoided carbon monoxide poisoning. Bad stuff. Be careful. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 17:28:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09663; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:28:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04232; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20778; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA03902 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:27:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id RAA21721 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971111222753.XSGV4185@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:27:53 -0600 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:25 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Weather permitting, weekend ride? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971111222753.XSGV4185@[166.41.242.141]> >O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >> >> Sounds good to me, although I'll probably be bringing up the >> rear...(preferably Saturday), keep me posted! > >Add one more Interceptor !! Saturday is perf for me (did all the lawn >chores today :) > >JK Saturday, and anywhere within 40 minute ride from Springfield. Think SUN! \ / \_/ ---(_)--- / \ / \ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 18:44:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11660; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08813; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23428; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh-ppp.clark.net (pooh-ppp.clark.net [168.143.1.54]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA18022 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:43:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971111184023.0080bb30@mail.clark.net> X-Sender: pooh@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:40:23 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: Weekend Ride In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Okay, I had to schedule something for Sunday, so now I'm Saturday only. MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 23:03:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15942; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15466; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28940; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:03:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA14470; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:59:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:57:48 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Weather permitting, weekend ride? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9711118792.AA879264462@smtplink.micros.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I _might_ be able to make it Sat.Gotta see if I can get the bike up and running. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 23:04:37 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15950; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15499; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:04:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28957; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:04:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id XAA10719; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:10:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:10:48 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Bruce Dimon , dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Winterizing" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Short follow-up: a review of 14 carbon monoxide deaths in garages found that 6 had the main garage door open, and 3 had a secondary door or a window open. --garcia On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, Garcia Oliver wrote: > On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, Bruce Dimon wrote: > > [snip]> > < I ran the engine in the > garage until it warmed up. > > > Since you're alive, I gather that you avoided carbon monoxide poisoning. > Bad stuff. Be careful. > > --garcia > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 11 23:29:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16219; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15875; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29355; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:29:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.147] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.147]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPWGCOGRC091WZKK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:24:36 EST Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:24:37 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: now now... To: Brian McCoy , DC Cycles Message-id: <01IPWGCPBAVM91WZKK@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > The 'wimmin' aren't 'allowed' to go off and ride on their own. That's > just not right I tell ya. All the 'work' we do to get you on a bike, > then you turn around and don't want to ride with us... sheesh.. :P Work? Not to mention that UGLY sissy-bar I had to put on my R850R. Wonderful lines just ruined:( ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 00:06:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17041; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16794; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin85.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00011; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:06:21 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin85.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA16415 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:05:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:05:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971112000402_-1608183780@mrin85.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: now now... well now Brian, it's just that we don't want to embarrass y'all with our greater empathy and general oneness with the machine.... ;D we're just thinking of you......really! hee hee Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 00:06:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17067; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16810; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:06:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin44.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00021; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:06:45 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin44.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA01359; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:06:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:06:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971112000614_1592717006@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: anita@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weather permitting, weekend ride? Anita, I'd be up for a shorter ride in a few weeks (hopefully). I'm in the process of shopping for my first bike right now... I've found the guys here really helpful too! marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 00:07:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17114; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:07:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16832; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00057; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.147] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.147]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPWGCOGRC091WZKK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:24:40 EST Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:24:41 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride? To: Anita Lauro , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <01IPWGCSOEI091WZKK@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I'm up for a ride on Saturday, weather permitting.... If there are any >relatively new riders lurking out there who might be more comfortable with >a shorter (slower?) ride, drop me a note. I've got my "new" '95 Nighthawk >(thanks to helpful advice & more from members of this list), but I'm not >sure if I'm ready to tackle a 200 mile ride just yet! :) Actually, I might fit into this category. I've got a few thousand miles, but no group riding experience. (Course, Doug Hill just said a wintry mix with daytime high of 40 F on Saturday...) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 00:29:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17441; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17119; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00450; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh-ppp.clark.net (pooh-ppp.clark.net [168.143.1.54]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA20317 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:29:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971112003159.00865790@mail.clark.net> X-Sender: pooh@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:31:59 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride? In-Reply-To: <01IPWGCSOEI091WZKK@delphi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" NOOOOooooo! At 11:24 PM 11/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >(Course, Doug Hill just said a wintry mix with daytime high of 40 F on >Saturday...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 00:38:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17625; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:38:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17219; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00607; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.147] ("port 2051"@[205.177.250.147]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPWGEJJ90G91WQHP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:26:06 EST Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:26:07 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: "Winterizing" To: Garcia Oliver , DC Cycles Message-id: <01IPWGEKAKTE91WQHP@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Short follow-up: a review of 14 carbon monoxide deaths in garages found that >6 had the main garage door open, and 3 had a secondary door or a window open. Ouch. Any reports on how those hoses that run through a hole in the garage door work? ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 01:26:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18023; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18771; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01183; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.244]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA19263 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:25:55 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: wintry mix Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:23:18 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971112062554.AAA19263@default> Hey, y'all-- They just said (@1:30 am) on the radio that it'd snow Thurs AM, and the weather service says Thurs PM and Fri AM. Sounds like the weekend will suck. It's all George's fault! He's the one who mentioned wintry mix!! Keeping my fingers crossed. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 01:31:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA18064; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19211; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01245; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:31:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (spg-as86s50.erols.com [207.172.53.113]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA14719 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:31:11 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971112013456.0070cad0@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:34:56 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Weekend Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Alrighty, got the family on a plane back to OK. I'm ready to ride!!! Either day is great at the current time. It seems like forever since I've been on a ride other than to work and back. I can take a pillion so long as it's not a big person (and their knees are in good shape...). The GSXR doesn't handle heavy loads well and the ride position isn't the best on the knees. And a pillion on back just might keep me in sight of everyone (just kidding) I'm in Falls Church, but anywhere reasonable to meet works for me... I could lead out through Loudoun and whatever the next county over is on the VA side. I know most of the back roads, and there are a lot of loops that go back and forth north and south without getting too far west. That makes it easy to break off and head home as people wimp out.... Sheesh...40 degrees ....that's a veritable heat wave.... :) Well, it appears to be getting late and work comes far too early. See ya'll round Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) (703) 816-7255 (pager) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 02:08:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA18606; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA21194; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:08:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA01740; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:08:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id CAA04102; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:13:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:13:18 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: George Howell cc: DC Cycles , suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Winterizing" In-Reply-To: <01IPWGEKAKTE91WQHP@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ought to work. If there's no leak. And the hose doesn't disconnect from the exhaust... Some more info: these almost certainly were older cars/trucks . Prior to EPA/Clean Air Act, cars put out around 6% carbon monoxide. Current (tuned) cars emit about 1/100 as much; you can still kill yourself breathing their exhaust, but you have to work at it. I don't have emission data for bikes. Anyone got some numbers? --garcia On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, George Howell wrote: > >Short follow-up: a review of 14 carbon monoxide deaths in garages found that > >6 had the main garage door open, and 3 had a secondary door or a window open. > > Ouch. Any reports on how those hoses that run through a hole in the > garage door work? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 08:31:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21591; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23458; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:31:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05522; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA23100 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:31:24 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma023090; Wed, 12 Nov 97 08:31:20 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA08440 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879341313; Wed, 12 Nov 97 08:28:34 -0500 Message-Id: <9711128793.AA879341313@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 08:27:19 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Weekend Ride, Alternitaves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, seeing as the weather might not cooperate - all those who wanted to go riding, meet at George's house.. I think it's time for a linchin' - (some of that there Wyoming heritage come'n out.. yeeeehaaw!) brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: wintry mix Author: at smtplink-micros Date: 11/12/97 1:23 AM Hey, y'all-- They just said (@1:30 am) on the radio that it'd snow Thurs AM, and the weather service says Thurs PM and Fri AM. Sounds like the weekend will suck. It's all George's fault! He's the one who mentioned wintry mix!! Keeping my fingers crossed. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 08:38:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21662; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23525; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:38:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05639; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s32.erols.com [207.172.110.32]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA16174; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:37:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199711121337.IAA16174@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "dc-cycles" , Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:40:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: wintry mix Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19971112062554.AAA19263@default> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Hey, y'all-- > > They just said (@1:30 am) on the radio that it'd snow Thurs AM, and the > weather service says Thurs PM and Fri AM. Sounds like the weekend will > suck. It's all George's fault! He's the one who mentioned wintry mix!! > > Keeping my fingers crossed. > > Kevin > Kev. Ya might as well just relax. We're just now startin whats gonna end up bein the WORST winter in recorded history. Its gonna sleet or ice EVERY weekend.. be dark and dreary EVERY day... be colder than hell... and winters gonna last 18 months this season. PLUS... the areas grown so much that THIS year we'll have DOUBLE the amount of cagers that DONT know how to drive on wet slippery roads, and they'll all be out there at the SAME time. Which, naturally, will be everytime YOU go out. (or me) and its all just now starting. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 08:45:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21714; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23599; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:45:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05823; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:45:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s32.erols.com [207.172.110.32]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA17986; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:45:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199711121345.IAA17986@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Bruce Dimon , Garcia Oliver Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:47:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: carbon monoxide onna bike?!?!? Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal References: <01bceecf$375e9e40$cba0bb9d@pent200> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > < I ran the engine in the > garage until it warmed up. > > > Since you're alive, I gather that you avoided carbon monoxide poisoning. > Bad stuff. Be careful. > > --garcia > > yes!! I resemble that remark!! This past Spring I was warmin up my bike after havin stored it in my dads large shed. I was IN the shed WITH it, tryin to keep it going. It didnt wanna STAY going. When I was finally able to get it started and keep it that way, I warmed it up, then I went outside to get some air, cuz the shed was smokey. I had a headache and felt kinda weak. My dad came out, saw me, asked what I was doing, I made the mistake of TELLING him, then I had to listen to a 20 minute lecture on how stupid I was, how Im lucky Im still alive yadda yadda yadda. Who'da thought a bike coulda made carbon monoxide?!?! sheesh. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 08:58:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22032; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:58:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23708; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06126; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.160]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA16; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:57:47 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: wintry mix Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:55:12 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971112135746.AAA16@default> Squeakers-- Dammit, my bike has 29510 miles and I want it to have 30000 before it gets parked for the snowy season. It can't start yet! All I need is 10 days of commuting! Of course, a 200-mile weekend ride would help a lot.... later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 09:05:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22170; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23798; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06263; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id JAA27472 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:05:25 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma027435; Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:05:06 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id JAA09079 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879343335; Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:02:18 -0500 Message-Id: <9711128793.AA879343335@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:00:14 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: wintry mix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man, you DO get bitchy in the winter - maybe YOU ought to go out and go for a ride too! It'd at least make your fingers numb enough you couldn't type.. :P all in jest.. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: wintry mix Author: at smtplink-micros Date: 11/12/97 8:40 AM > Kev. Ya might as well just relax. We're just now startin whats gonna end up bein the WORST winter in recorded history. Its gonna sleet or ice EVERY weekend.. be dark and dreary EVERY day... be colder than hell... and winters gonna last 18 months this season. PLUS... the areas grown so much that THIS year we'll have DOUBLE the amount of cagers that DONT know how to drive on wet slippery roads, and they'll all be out there at the SAME time. Which, naturally, will be everytime YOU go out. (or me) and its all just now starting. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 09:11:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22250; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23860; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from notes.sbd.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06385; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by notes.sbd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 8525654D.004E0B25 ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:12:26 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBD From: "Caron Rose" To: klthomas@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525654D.004E3482.00@notes.sbd.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:15:17 -0400 Subject: Re: wintry mix Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hey - I did my part to keep the winter mild; I got the jeep. So at least this one isn't my fault! Caron ************ Hey, y'all-- They just said (@1:30 am) on the radio that it'd snow Thurs AM, and the weather service says Thurs PM and Fri AM. Sounds like the weekend will suck. It's all George's fault! He's the one who mentioned wintry mix!! Keeping my fingers crossed. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 09:11:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22255; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:11:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23864; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06388; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA02042 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:11:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA13734 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:10:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971112141042.WTVO4591@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:10:42 -0600 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:02 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Daytona X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971112141042.WTVO4591@[166.41.242.141]> What are the dates for Bike Week '98? Anybody? Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 09:25:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22471; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24017; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06658; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id JAA29463 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:25:24 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma029437; Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:25:07 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id JAA09579 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879344538; Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:22:20 -0500 Message-Id: <9711128793.AA879344538@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:21:13 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: Daytona MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's to expensive to care.. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Daytona Author: Todd Peer at smtplink-micros Date: 11/12/97 9:00 AM What are the dates for Bike Week '98? Anybody? Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 09:35:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22640; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:35:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24118; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from quimby.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06887; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff by quimby.toward.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) for ; id JAA539.02; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:34:02 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971111212719.009e6d20@204.194.180.21> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:27:19 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: wintry mix In-Reply-To: <8525654D.004E3482.00@notes.sbd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And I did my part ... I got a sidecar! Chris Norloff ******************************************************* At 09:15 AM 11/12/97 -0400, Caron Rose wrote: > >Hey - I did my part to keep the winter mild; I got the jeep. So at least >this one isn't my fault! > >Caron > >************ >Hey, y'all-- > >They just said (@1:30 am) on the radio that it'd snow Thurs AM, and the >weather service says Thurs PM and Fri AM. Sounds like the weekend will >suck. It's all George's fault! He's the one who mentioned wintry mix!! > >Keeping my fingers crossed. > >Kevin > >He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 09:39:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22691; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24139; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:39:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07012; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:39:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA29961; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:39:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:38:13 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D21A182@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Mark E. Truelove'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride? Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:38:15 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'm still keeping my fingers crossed. Sometimes the weather surprises us, right?? I hope... I've been riding every single night just in case!! It was beautiful last night, by the way... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark E. Truelove [SMTP:true@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 12:32 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride? > > > NOOOOooooo! > > At 11:24 PM 11/11/97 -0500, you wrote: > >(Course, Doug Hill just said a wintry mix with daytime high of 40 F > on > >Saturday...) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) > http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ > Polaris Technology Group > http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ > Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX > DBs > ====================================================================== > = From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 09:41:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22728; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24218; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07099; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA26277 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:40:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA01376 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:40:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971112144043.ZYJI4806@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:40:43 -0600 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:24 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: CO1 was: "Winterizing" X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971112144043.ZYJI4806@[166.41.242.141]> Geroge Wrote: >>Short follow-up: a review of 14 carbon monoxide deaths in garages found that >>6 had the main garage door open, and 3 had a secondary door or a window open. > >Ouch. Any reports on how those hoses that run through a hole in the >garage door work? Better still, where can I get one of these hoses? I'm assuming they have a universal tail-pipe fitting. True? Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 09:47:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22829; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:47:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24404; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07323; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA29976; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:47:05 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711121447.IAA29976@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Received: from vna-va9-23.ix.netcom.com(207.223.177.87) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma029963; Wed Nov 12 08:46:50 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:48:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Daytona Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19971112141042.WTVO4591@[166.41.242.141]> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) > > What are the dates for Bike Week '98? Anybody? > > Todd > Bike Week - March 1 - 7, 1998. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 10:18:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23566; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:18:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25543; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08535; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IPX2SUZ6HS8ZE23J@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:17:22 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:16:45 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:16:45 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:16:45 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Mileage goals was Re: wintry mix To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:16:46 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1026ICM27P13 X400-MTS-identifier: [;54610121117991/2104351@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Dammit, my bike has 29510 miles and I want it to have 30000 before it gets >parked for the snowy season. It can't start yet! All I need is 10 days >of commuting! Of course, a 200-mile weekend ride would help a lot.... How strange, actually desiring to hit a particular mileage before the year's end... I, too, hope to do the same (I admit to being strange...). I'm currently at 37,750 or so and I'd like to hit 40k by the end of the year (and I WILL do it too). So, have no fear, your's is an easy task. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 10:20:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23597; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25578; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08579; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:19:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA27600; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:19:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA19492; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971112151903.FRZ4806@XXXXXX>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:19:03 -0600 Message-ID: <3469C8E6.F1D66DF3@mci.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:19:02 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weather permitting, weekend ride? References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D21A182@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I got sprinkled on riding home from work in Chantilly last night. Not much rainfall, just enough to notice. I've also done some late night rides on my bikes lately. It is kind of nice. I've got so much work around the house to do this weekend, even if the weather is great, I'll still be depressed, since I won't be riding. Sigh! On another note, I'm dropping off my LTD at the shop today for a valve adjustment...my DOHC's have NO clearance anymore (rubbin all the way around, yessirree) and I don't have the special Kawasaki tools and shims to do the job myself. Another sigh! I wish these bikes came with easier ways to do the valve adjustments. I don't like it when I can't do jobs on my bike myself. Don't know if its from being cheap, or paranoid, or both. The only nice thing about it, the shop has no backlog this time of year! :-) The guys at the shop probably think I'm nuts, getting this done right before winter. They don't know that I plan on riding all year long. Provided they don't need to order anything, I hope to have it back this afternoon. Horkster `The Horkster’, aka Dale Horstman dale.horstman@XXXXXX 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD (the new paint looks good from 5 feet away) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 1987 Suzuki Savage 650 Jeannette wrote: > I'm still keeping my fingers crossed. Sometimes the weather surprises > us, right?? I hope... > I've been riding every single night just in case!! > It was beautiful last night, by the way... > > - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 10:25:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23733; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25673; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08773; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id V874FVWV; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:31:49 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:27:33 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCEF55.96B90DE0.anita@dlt.com> From: Anita Lauro To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride? Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:27:32 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wednesday, November 12, 1997 9:38 AM, O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] wrote: > I'm still keeping my fingers crossed. Sometimes the weather surprises > us, right?? I hope... > I've been riding every single night just in case!! > It was beautiful last night, by the way... I've just about given up trying to plan ahead based on weather reports... the *only* accurate way to tell what the weather will be like is to wake up that morning and look out the window (preferably after the sun comes up). Then maybe listen to a weather report or two to find out if there is a major change brewing for the afternoon. Earlier this week weather reports said it would rain today.... well, glad to see it didn't! And, this makes Day #3 of commuting to work on my Nighthawk! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 10:30:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23804; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:30:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25763; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08870; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA15315; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:28:57 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D21A18C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Women Riding Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:28:59 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I just had to post this to the list because I found it to be very funny. The other night I went out to dinner with a male friend of mine who rides. The waiter and the host, both at separate times in the evening, asked us how it was out there "in the cold" on "the bike." I replied, "You mean, bikes." When I stressed the plural of bike (of course meaning that we BOTH were riding our own bikes) they looked at me in a very confused manner and walked away without saying anything. Needless to say, I found this highly amusing! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 10:38:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23926; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25939; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:38:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09108; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id A1D28A90130; Wed Nov 12 09:48:50 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:37:30 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCEF56.FA06B220.jywon@imisys.com> From: "Justin Y. Won" Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:37:26 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George brings up a good point. There are quite a few differences between riding solo and with a group of bikes. I once rode with a few of squidly types in the group who knew nothing about group riding etiquette and safety, and nearly caused several accidents (not to mention violating a few traffic regulations). Needless to say, I never rode with them again. Justin On Tuesday, November 11, 1997 23:25 PM, George Howell [SMTP:georgehowell@XXXXXX] wrote: > >I'm up for a ride on Saturday, weather permitting.... If there are any > >relatively new riders lurking out there who might be more comfortable with > >a shorter (slower?) ride, drop me a note. I've got my "new" '95 Nighthawk > >(thanks to helpful advice & more from members of this list), but I'm not > >sure if I'm ready to tackle a 200 mile ride just yet! :) > > Actually, I might fit into this category. I've got a few thousand miles, > but no group riding experience. > > (Course, Doug Hill just said a wintry mix with daytime high of 40 F on > Saturday...) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 10:52:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24123; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26173; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin44.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09457; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:52:12 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin44.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA24862 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:51:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:51:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971112105140_-692435365@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sissy-bars << UGLY sissy-bar I had to put on my R850R. Wonderful lines just ruined:( >> I know, George, I've had to put one on almost all my bikes. I won't ride my offspring on the back without one. But if I ever get hit from the rear again, the backrest will probably break my spine in half. :[ Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 11:12:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24456; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26515; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10011; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA20679 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA02172 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:11:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971112161157.PFI4185@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:11:57 -0600 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:04 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971112161157.PFI4185@[166.41.242.141]> Anita wrote: >I've just about given up trying to plan ahead based on weather reports... >the *only* accurate way to tell what the weather will be like is to wake up >that morning and look out the window (preferably after the sun comes up). > Then maybe listen to a weather report or two to find out if there is a >major change brewing for the afternoon. I would addend your method by saying, while still in bed open the eyelid most easy to work, look at the blinds. If its light enough to peek through, listen. Raindrops on the window? If not, then I'll get out of bed to check the weather, otherwise zzZZZ.....zzZZZ.....zzZZZZ. >Earlier this week weather reports said it would rain today.... well, glad >to see it didn't! And, this makes Day #3 of commuting to work on my >Nighthawk! WoHoo! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 11:15:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24527; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26527; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin54.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10113; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:15:06 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin54.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA28488; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:14:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:14:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971112111430_-1139817542@mrin54.mail.aol.com> To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Faceshield fogging In a message dated 97-11-12 02:54:48 EST, you write: << I heartily agree about being careful, my Fog City is on a little bit crooked... /;/-( It does keep the fog off though. Now I need some little ones for my eyeglasses! Dale (the Horkster) >> There are many anti-fog products around, and I have tried about a dozen. Currently, my favorite for my eyeglasses and off-road goggles is called "Foggex". It comes in a black plastic 1.7oz container and is a waxy compound (not messy liquid). I bought it at a gun show; it works on glass and plastic, including the scope lenses on my firearms. Cleans real nice too, one step product. Richard Wood p.s. ran to the mirror this morning; don't look a year older. thank goodness getting older is a slow process. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 11:21:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24634; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26630; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin54.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10284; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:21:15 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin54.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA23569; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:20:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:20:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971112112043_1569851576@mrin54.mail.aol.com> To: georgehowell@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: carbon monoxide fun << >Short follow-up: a review of 14 carbon monoxide deaths in garages found that >6 had the main garage door open, and 3 had a secondary door or a window open. Ouch. Any reports on how those hoses that run through a hole in the garage door work? >> I have seen many auto repair facilities use them. And every motorcycle dealer in the area (OSHA requires them for health reasons), but they are fan-vacuum assisted. As I wade through e-mails, maybe I'll come across the original posting, thanks aol. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 11:21:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24645; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:21:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26665; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10307; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA24720 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id LAA22011 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:21:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971112162103.XRLD4591@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:21:03 -0600 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:19 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971112162103.XRLD4591@[166.41.242.141]> IF Saturday is the day for a group ride, I will volunteer to lead a group that feels they can't ride that very far and/or have not ridden in a group before. I noticed Collin posted the Leesburg/Ashburn area to ride, and somebody else mentioned a route along the potomac river. These are both nice areas to ride. Maybe we can ALL meet together and shove off in different groups. The slower group will meet the others at a predetermined time/place for lunch and rest. I think we can keep the ride to around 120 miles round trip, sticking to the speed limits, and learn a little about group dynamics in the process. Todd Justin wrote: >George brings up a good point. There are quite a few differences between >riding solo and with a group of bikes. I once rode with a few of squidly >types in the group who knew nothing about group riding etiquette and >safety, and nearly caused several accidents (not to mention violating a few >traffic regulations). Needless to say, I never rode with them again. > >Justin > >On Tuesday, November 11, 1997 23:25 PM, George Howell >[SMTP:georgehowell@XXXXXX] wrote: >> >I'm up for a ride on Saturday, weather permitting.... If there are any >> >relatively new riders lurking out there who might be more comfortable >with >> >a shorter (slower?) ride, drop me a note. I've got my "new" '95 >Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 11:24:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24685; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26743; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10417; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA25504 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid03.mcit.com [166.37.221.15]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA14191 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:23:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971112162311.ZCSE4246@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:23:11 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:20:19 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCEF5C.F5499080.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Group Riding Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:20:17 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, what are the rules of group riding?? The few that I know are: 1) ride staggered where appropriate with at least 1 second following distance from the rider in front of you (and on the other side), two seconds from the rider directly in front of you 2) ride single file on the twisties and adjust following distance accordingly 3) use hand signals to communicate. One group I rode with used pointing at the gas tank to say I need to stop and a hand held up alternately opening and closing to say your turn signals are on. Another signal was one finger pointing up meant single file. 4) Don't pass (This one is not carved in stone, but requires some thought) 5) Signal all your turns 6) Lend assistance where possible and safe 7) Be alert 8) Slower riders to the rear. This should be self-selecting. If I'm riding with people I don't know, I tend toward the back of the pack. Also, the leader has some responsibility. 1) Keep the pace reasonable. We're mostly adults here and should be able to tell when the ride is too fast for our skill level and act accordingly. It's a fine line between riding too fast for your skills and riding fast enough to improve your skills. 2) Stop and let the slower riders catch up before the course changes. Ok, what else?? What did I get totally wrong?? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: Justin Y. Won [SMTP:jywon@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 10:37 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) George brings up a good point. There are quite a few differences between riding solo and with a group of bikes. I once rode with a few of squidly types in the group who knew nothing about group riding etiquette and safety, and nearly caused several accidents (not to mention violating a few traffic regulations). Needless to say, I never rode with them again. Justin On Tuesday, November 11, 1997 23:25 PM, George Howell [SMTP:georgehowell@XXXXXX] wrote: > >I'm up for a ride on Saturday, weather permitting.... If there are any > >relatively new riders lurking out there who might be more comfortable with > >a shorter (slower?) ride, drop me a note. I've got my "new" '95 Nighthawk > >(thanks to helpful advice & more from members of this list), but I'm not > >sure if I'm ready to tackle a 200 mile ride just yet! :) > > Actually, I might fit into this category. I've got a few thousand miles, > but no group riding experience. > > (Course, Doug Hill just said a wintry mix with daytime high of 40 F on > Saturday...) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 11:25:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24699; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:25:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26782; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:25:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10446; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA26169 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:24:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA13391 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:24:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971112162425.XSEL4591@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:24:25 -0600 Message-ID: <3469D838.926033D4@mci.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:24:25 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Faceshield fogging References: <971112111430_-1139817542@mrin54.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the tip, I'll have to try it. I use the rain-x anti-fog stuff on my eyeglasses now, but I've got to reapply it every couple of days. Pain in the butt. You mean to say today is your birthday? If so, have one on me! Cheers! You can tell everyone now that you are so far over the hill, you are starting to pick up speed!!! Horkster (feeling, sounding, and acting waaaaay older than I really am) Richard @aol.com wrote: > There are many anti-fog products around, and I have tried about a dozen. > Currently, my favorite for my eyeglasses and off-road goggles is called > "Foggex". It comes in a black plastic 1.7oz container and is a waxy compound > (not messy liquid). I bought it at a gun show; it works on glass and > plastic, including the scope lenses on my firearms. Cleans real nice too, one > step product. > > Richard Wood > > p.s. ran to the mirror this morning; don't look a year older. thank goodness > getting older is a slow process. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 11:31:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24886; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26955; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin84.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10678; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:31:31 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin84.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA03174; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:31:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:31:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971112113058_194225126@mrin84.mail.aol.com> To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: carbon monoxide onna bike?!?!? In a message dated 97-11-12 09:09:27 EST, you write: << I warmed it up, then I went outside to get some air, cuz the shed was smokey. I had a headache and felt kinda weak. My dad came out, saw me, asked what I was doing, I made the mistake of TELLING him, then I had to listen to a 20 minute lecture on how stupid I was, how Im lucky Im still alive yadda yadda yadda. Who'da thought a bike coulda made carbon monoxide?!?! sheesh. Squeakers >> I suggest that you don't do that with ANY internal combustion engine. But the next time you need a drink, the cupboards bare, and the stores are closed, you could crank up the ole chain saw in the living room and get the same effect. ;] Squeaks, time for a lesson on chemistry. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 11:32:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24895; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26970; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10685; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA06187; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:30:44 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D21A195@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:30:49 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Count me in on the slower group thing... I've ridden in groups before but since I'm fairly new this sounds like a good option... I've also ridden the Potomac route twice and it is very nice... - Jeannette > IF Saturday is the day for a group ride, I will volunteer to lead a > group that feels they can't ride that very far and/or have not ridden > in a group before. > > I noticed Collin posted the Leesburg/Ashburn area to ride, and > somebody > else mentioned a route along the potomac river. These are both nice > areas to ride. > > Maybe we can ALL meet together and shove off in different groups. > The slower group will meet the others at a predetermined time/place > for > lunch and rest. I think we can keep the ride to around 120 miles > round > trip, sticking to the speed limits, and learn a little about group > dynamics in the process. > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 11:46:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25166; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27302; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11215; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id V874FV51; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:52:56 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:48:42 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCEF60.ECC28080.anita@dlt.com> From: Anita Lauro To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride? Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:48:41 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wednesday, November 12, 1997 11:04 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] wrote: > I would addend your method by saying, while still in bed open the eyelid > most easy to work, look at the blinds. If its light enough to peek > through, listen. Raindrops on the window? If not, then I'll get out > of bed to check the weather, otherwise zzZZZ.....zzZZZ.....zzZZZZ. Actually, since my bedroom window faces East I have a simpler solution... I don't set my alarm clock. If it's sunny I get woken up automatically... cloudy, sleep in! :) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 11:49:52 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25289; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27338; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:49:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11356; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:49:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id A29F9640124; Wed Nov 12 11:00:31 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:49:12 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCEF60.FE470F60.jywon@imisys.com> From: "Justin Y. Won" Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Women Riding Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:49:10 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They were probably trying to picture two of you motoring down the road, straddling both bikes! (teehee) Justin On Wednesday, November 12, 1997 10:29 AM, O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] wrote: > I just had to post this to the list because I found it to be very funny. > The other night I went out to dinner with a male friend of mine who > rides. The waiter and the host, both at separate times in the evening, > asked us how it was out there "in the cold" on "the bike." I replied, > "You mean, bikes." When I stressed the plural of bike (of course > meaning that we BOTH were riding our own bikes) they looked at me in a > very confused manner and walked away without saying anything. Needless > to say, I found this highly amusing! > > - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 12:32:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26051; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27684; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12764; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh-ppp.clark.net (pooh-ppp.clark.net [168.143.1.54]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA01622 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:32:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971112123504.00805450@mail.clark.net> X-Sender: pooh@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:35:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I got two hours in myself. Hedging my bets. :) MET At 09:38 AM 11/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >I'm still keeping my fingers crossed. Sometimes the weather surprises >us, right?? I hope... >I've been riding every single night just in case!! >It was beautiful last night, by the way... > >- Jeannette ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 13:17:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26834; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27972; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14029; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:17:01 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:17:01 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-0); Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:17:01 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)'" Subject: RE: Group Riding Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:10:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 4 TEXT Another thing on Group Rides (to keep them group rides) is to ALWAYS keep the headlight of the bike behind you in sight (this way the group stays a group and if anyone has a problem, it is noticed quickly. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 13:25:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26955; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28147; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14253; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA28778; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:24:53 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711121824.MAA28778@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Received: from vna-va9-23.ix.netcom.com(207.223.177.87) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028760; Wed Nov 12 12:24:38 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: Linda Tanner , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:25:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Group Riding Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01BCEF5C.F5499080.linda.tanner@mci.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Linda wrote: > Ok, what are the rules of group riding?? The few that I know are: > 1) ride staggered where appropriate with at least 1 second > thought) 5) Signal all your turns 6) Lend assistance where possible > and safe 7) Be alert 8) Slower riders to the rear. This should be > self-selecting. If I'm riding with people I don't know, I tend > toward the back of the pack. > > Also, the leader has some responsibility. > 1) Keep the pace reasonable. We're mostly adults here and should be > able to tell when the ride is too fast for our skill level and act > accordingly. > It's a fine line between riding too fast for your skills and riding > fast > enough to improve your skills. > 2) Stop and let the slower riders catch up before the course > changes. > > Ok, what else?? What did I get totally wrong?? Should be an interesting subject for the group to kick around -- at least as interesting as Coleman Power Sports. You have the basic ideas down. Depending on how large, well equipped with toys, and how serious the group is one can embelish on your list particularly with regard to the duties and obligations of the last (the drag) rider. There are a number of folks that really enjoy group rides. There are others like myself that will rarely ride with a group larger than three or four for all sorts of reasons -- safety being a major one. My counsel for the inexperienced is to stay out of group rides until you really understand what "riding your own ride" means. There are some web pages that cover this subject. While I have little use for his ideas, you might want to check out the page of a person who loves to pontificate on this and other subjects: http://home.earthlink.net/~jamesdavis/DISCUSS.html He is also apparently selling a booklet on the subject: http://home.earthlink.net/~jamesdavis/GUIDE.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 13:33:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27191; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:33:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28215; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14503; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA18557 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA06554 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971112183246.BTMU4185@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:32:46 -0600 Message-ID: <3469F64D.27FE2F05@mci.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:32:45 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Group Riding References: <01BCEF5C.F5499080.linda.tanner@mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda, That's a pretty good list to start with. It's funny that I've never seen much posted about this before. I guess the number one rule should be: don't hit the bike in front of you. Horkster Linda Tanner wrote: > Ok, what are the rules of group riding?? The few that I know are: > 1) ride staggered where appropriate with at least 1 second following > distance from the rider in front of you (and on the other side), two > seconds from the rider directly in front of you > 2) ride single file on the twisties and adjust following distance > accordingly > 3) use hand signals to communicate. One group I rode with used pointing at > the gas tank to say I need to stop and a hand held up alternately opening > and closing to say your turn signals are on. Another signal was one finger > pointing up meant single file. > 4) Don't pass (This one is not carved in stone, but requires some thought) > 5) Signal all your turns > 6) Lend assistance where possible and safe > 7) Be alert > 8) Slower riders to the rear. This should be self-selecting. If I'm > riding with people I don't know, I tend toward the back of the pack. > > Also, the leader has some responsibility. > 1) Keep the pace reasonable. We're mostly adults here and should be able > to tell when the ride is too fast for our skill level and act accordingly. > It's a fine line between riding too fast for your skills and riding fast > enough to improve your skills. > 2) Stop and let the slower riders catch up before the course changes. > > Ok, what else?? What did I get totally wrong?? > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 13:41:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27358; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:41:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28327; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:41:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14835; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id NAA26658 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:41:49 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma026584; Wed, 12 Nov 97 13:41:44 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id NAA17027 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:41:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879359825; Wed, 12 Nov 97 13:38:57 -0500 Message-Id: <9711128793.AA879359825@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 13:35:14 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: Group Riding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Justin, thanks for bringing this up - I personally like riding with smaller (>5) groups - with bigger ones I tend to float towards the back and watch peoples riding styles - and talk to the leader to make sure they don't get wild or crazy until we feel it's safe. And even then we'll monitor to make sure everyone feel comfortable and is having a good time. That's the whole thing, having a good time - if one person isn't - or feels rushed, it ruins it for several. Anyway - work calls.. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) Author: "jywon@XXXXXX" at smtplink-micros Date: 11/12/97 10:37 AM George brings up a good point. There are quite a few differences between riding solo and with a group of bikes. I once rode with a few of squidly types in the group who knew nothing about group riding etiquette and safety, and nearly caused several accidents (not to mention violating a few traffic regulations). Needless to say, I never rode with them again. Justin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 14:22:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28493; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28991; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16414; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id OAA00147 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:21:56 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma029957; Wed, 12 Nov 97 14:21:50 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id OAA18013 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879362179; Wed, 12 Nov 97 14:19:04 -0500 Message-Id: <9711128793.AA879362179@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 14:14:38 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: speaking of gas.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We had the unusual enjoyment of being evacuated from our building today because of a gas main leak. Anyone ever die from inhaling that? Or does it just cause nasty headaches like the one I've got now - irritability - foggy thinking - and loss of concentration... or is that just my blonde roots? who knows... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 14:22:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28492; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28992; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16415; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id OAA00111 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:21:56 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma029946; Wed, 12 Nov 97 14:21:44 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id OAA17979 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879361918; Wed, 12 Nov 97 14:18:58 -0500 Message-Id: <9711128793.AA879361918@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 14:09:24 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[ Group Riding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hrmmm.. yes, Linda did have a good list. I tend towards groups of 4-5 - and usually like to ride with people I know because it's easier - no needing to relearn anything. Glenn has been a great person to ride with for myself - we both ride at about the same speed (I'd a tad quicker, get to see interesting views of his tailpipes) - we both have equal ranges on the bike (fuel wise). I know what he's going to do in most situations, I generally don't have to worry about him freaking out about going into a corner to hot and having to pick him up afterwards (well, one exception.. *grin*). We pass when it's safe to do so - and just generally do things close to the same. When I've been out with several others from the list, I notice that they either ride faster, slower - or their absolute morons on the street. I'll ride with anyone, well.. anyone except the last group. If your faster, slow down and wait for me from time to time - and I'll do the same for those behind me. If someone looks a little unsure on their bike, I'll hang back and either lead them or follow - which ever they indicate (pointing at the headlight = stay in front, tail = stay behind). There's a huge list of hand signals floating out and about on the WWW somewhere - it was interesting to read once, and if I had any inkling to ride with unknown people all the time, I'd find it again and make sure everyone read it before taking off. I think one of the biggest problems with group riding is that lone person who decides to join you - you don't know how they ride, where they're from, nothing. And they usually end up trying to beat the pack, and wreck. I've seen this 3 times in my life, and 2 of those times I had blood on my hands after helping them out of the rocks/trees. We're all adults (myself being the closest to teenagedome) - if you just use your head and think about riding, and just relax a little, the rest is easily enough learned. And it is addictive, and is easy to see by the posts during the summer. Don't worry, be happy - we'll have fun. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 15:19:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00158; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29656; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:18:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18741; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s32.erols.com [207.172.110.32]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA17285; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:18:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199711122018.PAA17285@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: jywon@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:21:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01BCEF56.FA06B220.jywon@imisys.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > George brings up a good point. There are quite a few differences between > riding solo and with a group of bikes. I once rode with a few of squidly > types in the group who knew nothing about group riding etiquette and > safety, and nearly caused several accidents (not to mention violating a few > traffic regulations). Needless to say, I never rode with them again. > > Justin > I once rode with a group that had a new rider riding with us. He had been told to "keep tight". He interpreted that as meaning to stay NEXT to me. Even when we were on back roads. Scared the hell outta me. I finally got pissed and started moving over to the middle of the lane (yes, where ya shouldnt ride) and when THAT didnt work I got even MORE perturbed and started going over INTO him, MAKING him back off (he'd always come back) and FINALLY when we got to a place where we all slowed down, I gave him hell, screaming unrepeatables at him. He finally backed off. Like I said.. a terrifying ride. Guess ya dont need brains or COMMON SENSE to get a motorcycle license. I mean.. picture doing 45 on a skinny back road with someone tryin to be friggin NEXT to you, comin up to a sharp curve, and a car is comin towards ya. It happened. I SWEAR it. I had been doin everything I could to make that guy realize that I DIDNT want him NEXT to me, so at THAT point, I went ahead and veered over to the right. I figured Id rather have HIM run off the road than ME get splattered by an oncoming car. yeah.. right.. "keep tight".... moral- know who's around you and what their riding style is BEFORE you take off, if you possibly can. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 15:25:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00400; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29812; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18888; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s32.erols.com [207.172.110.32]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA18896; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:24:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199711122024.PAA18896@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: , "Brian McCoy" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:27:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: speaking of gas.... Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <9711128793.AA879362179@smtplink.micros.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Or does it just cause nasty headaches like the one I've got now - > irritability - foggy thinking - and loss of concentration... or is > that just my blonde roots? > > who knows... > Naw, brian. That aint your blonde roots. Its your MALE roots! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! You know.. irritable.. foggy brain... no concentration. NORMAL male stuff! Squeakers one of my all time favorite jokes. (stop me if ya heard it before) Whats the difference between a catfish and a man? Ones a slimey scum sucking bottom feeder. The others a fish. Love it!! :) :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 15:42:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00926; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00819; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19435; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:42:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id A929A1B014C; Wed Nov 12 14:53:13 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:41:53 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCEF81.800D34A0.jywon@imisys.com> From: "Justin Y. Won" Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: speaking of gas.... Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:41:52 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit STOP! Hey, you didn't stop. (:-( I heard that same joke about lawyers. So, am I allowed to rant and rave about the sexism in that remark? ;-) Justin On Wednesday, November 12, 1997 10:27 AM, Squeakers [SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] wrote: > Squeakers > > one of my all time favorite jokes. (stop me if ya heard it > before) > > Whats the difference between a catfish and a man? > Ones a slimey scum sucking bottom feeder. The others a > fish. > > Love it!! :) :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 15:46:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01017; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01167; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:45:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19570; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh-ppp.clark.net (pooh-ppp.clark.net [168.143.1.54]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA01054 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:45:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971112154858.00855100@mail.clark.net> X-Sender: pooh@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:48:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) In-Reply-To: <199711122018.PAA17285@smtp3.erols.com> References: <01BCEF56.FA06B220.jywon@imisys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So, Squeakers, just what _did_ you mean by "keep tight"? MET > I once rode with a group that had a new rider riding with >us. He had been told to "keep tight". He interpreted that >as meaning to stay NEXT to me. Even when we were on back ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 15:57:32 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01406; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01867; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19827; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:57:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s32.erols.com [207.172.110.32]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA28186; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:57:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199711122057.PAA28186@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "jywon@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:00:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: speaking of gas.... Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01BCEF81.800D34A0.jywon@imisys.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > STOP! Hey, you didn't stop. (:-( > I heard that same joke about lawyers. Aw, but it fits men so much better, doncha think? Wait! Justin.. thats a MALE name.. so NO!! You DONT think!! Get it? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! > So, am I allowed to rant and rave about the sexism in that remark? ;-) > > Justin > Absolutely!! I dont think we've had a good flame war about THAT yet. I gotta LOTTA man jokes!!! Squeakers-gearin up How can ya tell if a man is happy? who cares? heheheheheheheheheehehehehehe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 16:05:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01636; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:05:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02025; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20005; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s32.erols.com [207.172.110.32]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA30339; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:05:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199711122105.QAA30339@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Mark E. Truelove" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:07:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19971112154858.00855100@mail.clark.net> References: <199711122018.PAA17285@smtp3.erols.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > > So, Squeakers, just what _did_ you mean by "keep tight"? > > MET > > > I once rode with a group that had a new rider riding with > >us. He had been told to "keep tight". He interpreted that > >as meaning to stay NEXT to me. Even when we were on back > Nonono! *I* didnt tell him to "keep tight". His FRIEND told him that. Unfortunately for ME, *I* was the one he decided to "keep tight" too. I got a little too rough for him, though, and scared him away. Ya gotta remember.. he was new at this. I was seasoned. Maybe I shoulda been a little gentler, but I figure Im in it for ME, and if *Im* not happy with the way things are going, then I dont want them near me. Id rather have someone that knows what they're doing "keep tight" with me. That way we can both enjoy the experience, and go home with memories of a mutually satisfying and enjoyable time. Maybe Im just selfish, but... so what! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 16:05:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01652; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02036; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20034; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA07312 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:03:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCEF84.EDEC5020@XXXXXX>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:06:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'jywon@XXXXXX'" , "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:05:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's see if I got this right ... Tell a man to do something, change your mind (the meaning of what you said) and then berate him for it. Yup, sounds like a woman ... :-) Later, chris (cutting both ways with sexism) :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Squeakers[SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 10:21 AM >To: jywon@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) --snip-- > I once rode with a group that had a new rider riding with >us. He had been told to "keep tight". He interpreted that --snip-- >DIDNT want him NEXT to me, so at THAT point, I went ahead >and veered over to the right. I figured Id rather have HIM --snip-- >Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 16:09:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01802; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02088; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20219; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:09:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s32.erols.com [207.172.110.32]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA31235; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:08:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199711122108.QAA31235@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'jywon@XXXXXX'" , "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" , "Meier, Christopher" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:10:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > From: "Meier, Christopher" > To: "'jywon@XXXXXX'" , > "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" > > Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > Subject: RE: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:05:18 -0500 > Let's see if I got this right ... > > Tell a man to do something, change your mind (the meaning of what you > said) and then berate him for it. > > Yup, sounds like a woman ... :-) > > Later, > chris (cutting both ways with sexism) :-) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- AGAIN.. NONONONONO!! *I* didnt TELL him that. His FRIEND.. a MAN I might add.. had told him that. *I* was just the unlucky person he chose to keep tight WITH!!!! it was a MANS instructions that messed that MAN up!!!!! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 16:13:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01893; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:13:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02169; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20332; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id A076101B0152; Wed Nov 12 15:24:22 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:13:02 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCEF85.D9EE6760.jywon@imisys.com> From: "Justin Y. Won" Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: speaking of gas.... Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:13:01 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, Squeakers, you're really pushing it now. >:-@ But that's ok. I won't retaliate, and allow this to degrade into a flame war. Just remember, you're outnumbered in here. ;-) Justin On Wednesday, November 12, 1997 11:00 AM, Squeakers [SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] wrote: > > > STOP! Hey, you didn't stop. (:-( > > I heard that same joke about lawyers. > > Aw, but it fits men so much better, doncha think? Wait! > Justin.. thats a MALE name.. so NO!! You DONT think!! Get > it? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! > > > > So, am I allowed to rant and rave about the sexism in that remark? ;-) > > > > Justin > > > > Absolutely!! I dont think we've had a good flame war > about THAT yet. I gotta LOTTA man jokes!!! > > Squeakers-gearin up > > How can ya tell if a man is happy? > > who cares? > > heheheheheheheheheehehehehehe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 16:24:26 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02129; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02267; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20613; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:24:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id QAA15309; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:25:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:25:38 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Brian McCoy cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: speaking of gas.... In-Reply-To: <9711128793.AA879362179@smtplink.micros.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII "Natural" gas (stuff from oil/gas wells, digestive systems, etc.) is mostly methane (CH4) and does not contain carbon monoxide (CO). It's not particularly toxic, except to the extent it displaces oxygen. It is, however, explosive. Various flavors of "illuminating gas", used where natural gas is too expensive or unavailable, do contain quite lethal amounts of CO. As far as I know, this is no longer used in the US. --garcia On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Brian McCoy wrote: > > We had the unusual enjoyment of being evacuated from our building > today because of a gas main leak. Anyone ever die from inhaling that? > Or does it just cause nasty headaches like the one I've got now - > irritability - foggy thinking - and loss of concentration... or is > that just my blonde roots? > > who knows... > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 16:25:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02164; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02291; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20641; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:25:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s32.erols.com [207.172.110.32]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA03105; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:25:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199711122125.QAA03105@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "jywon@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:28:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: speaking of gas.... Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01BCEF85.D9EE6760.jywon@imisys.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Ok, Squeakers, you're really pushing it now. >:-@ > But that's ok. I won't retaliate, and allow this to degrade into a flame war. > Just remember, you're outnumbered in here. ;-) > > Justin > Aw, just like a man. Take away all the fun!!!! Just REMEMBER, though.. Ive ALWAYS been outnumbered on this list, and havent let THAT stop me from saying just about anything, anytime to anyone. And once I get started, I dont stop until I get bored with it. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! :) But I GOTTA do ONE more joke!! I just GOTTA!!! How many men does it take to open a can of beer. None. She better have it open for him by the time she gets it to the couch. Why do men name their penises. (penisie?) Cuz they like to be onna first name basis with the one that makes all the decisions. Okokok.. maybe that was more than one, but I DO feel MUCH better now, thank you!! :) :) Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 16:29:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02228; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02346; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20799; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:29:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA26588; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:28:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA20043; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:28:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971112212845.DDJI4185@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:28:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:25 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Squeakers" CC: jywon@XXXXXX, Subject: Re: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971112212845.DDJI4185@[166.41.242.141]> Squeakers Wrote: > I once rode with a group that had a new rider riding with >us. He had been told to "keep tight". He interpreted that >as meaning to stay NEXT to me. Even when we were on back As a new rider, being told to "keep tight" could mean exactly what he interpreted it to mean. Your ride leader screwed the pooch here, and you got caught in it. >roads. Scared the hell outta me. I finally got pissed and >started moving over to the middle of the lane (yes, where >ya shouldnt ride) and when THAT didnt work I got even >MORE perturbed and started going over INTO him, MAKING >him back off (he'd always come back) and FINALLY when we >got to a place where we all slowed down, I gave him hell, >screaming unrepeatables at him. He finally backed off. You should have taken it up with your ride leader. For that matter, why didn't you just slow and stop, take care to let the guy know what "keep tight" really means and continue? >Like >I said.. a terrifying ride. Guess ya dont need brains or >COMMON SENSE to get a motorcycle license. I mean.. picture >doing 45 on a skinny back road with someone tryin to be >friggin NEXT to you, comin up to a sharp curve, and a car >is comin towards ya. It happened. I SWEAR it. I had been >doin everything I could to make that guy realize that I >DIDNT want him NEXT to me, so at THAT point, I went ahead >and veered over to the right. I figured Id rather have HIM >run off the road than ME get splattered by an oncoming car. > yeah.. right.. "keep tight".... > > moral- know who's around you and what their riding style >is BEFORE you take off, if you possibly can. Well...yeah! BEFORE. Your ride leader should have id'd the new meat and gone over some of the expectations. Guess it doesn't take much brains to be a ride leader either, huh? Oh well. I've had experienced riders do almost the same thing to me. Ride up so close I see 'em out the corner of my eye. It kinda pisses me off, but I know they're experienced. And being experienced I know they'll back up a little if I hand wave them back or cut their line. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 16:29:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02234; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02354; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20827; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s32.erols.com [207.172.110.32]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA04297; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:29:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199711122129.QAA04297@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:32:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: carbon monoxide onna bike?!?!? Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <971112113058_194225126@mrin84.mail.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Squeaks, time for a lesson on chemistry. > > Richard > > > I passed biology with a D, and wasnt stupid enough to even TRY and take chemistry. I figured Id never NEED it. I wasnt a model student. Im one of the reasons that kids nowadays have teachers at all the entrances and exits, keeping kids from skipping. I was a "model" skipper. Looking back, I think maybe that wasnt such a good thing. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 16:34:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02323; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02433; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20968; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA28967; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:33:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id QAA09676; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:33:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971112213348.DFRB4806@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:33:48 -0600 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:31 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Squeakers" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971112213348.DFRB4806@[166.41.242.141]> Squeakers with foot in mouth uttered: Id rather have someone that knows >what they're doing "keep tight" with me. That way we can >both enjoy the experience, and go home with memories of a >mutually satisfying and enjoyable time. > Maybe Im just selfish, but... so what! Since "keep tight" is open to interpretation here, I'll interpret to mean ........whoa I can't print that! But just in case yer wondering, this scum-sucking bottom feeder knows what he's doing, AND can "keep tight" anytime. ;-) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 16:41:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02459; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02555; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21078; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s32.erols.com [207.172.110.32]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA07682; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:41:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199711122141.QAA07682@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Todd Peer Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:43:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: jywon@XXXXXX, Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19971112212845.DDJI4185@[166.41.242.141]> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > > As a new rider, being told to "keep tight" could mean exactly > what he interpreted it to mean. Your ride leader screwed the > pooch here, and you got caught in it. Actually, in this case, it was his friend that did it. > > > You should have taken it up with your ride leader. For that matter, > why didn't you just slow and stop, take care to let the guy know > what "keep tight" really means and continue? Problem was that we had a LARGE group of people going on a run. (bout 50?) There was a LOT of new people, and there was no way the ride leader coulda known who was seasoned and who wasnt. Pat and I dont DO large rides like that anymore. I was sorta in the middle, Pat was ahead of me so he couldnt see what was happening, and in HINDSIGHT I realize that I SHOULD have slowed down immediately and let him KNOW to cut it out, but I had a lotta people behind me, Pat up ahead, I didnt know the route, and neither did they, and I didnt want to slow down or hold everyone else up just cuz I couldnt handle what that guy was doing. I SHOULD have done it, though. What he did was dangerous. Not only was he new at group riding, but he was a new rider PERIOD. No way could he have handled ANYTHING that coulda gone wrong. He coulda killed me. I DID, however, complain to the ride leader at our first stop, and he then broke us up into smaller groups. MUCH better. Like I said.. we no longer ride in large groups. We break up into smaller ones, and Pat stays BEHIND me. Where he can watch and protect. He's so sweet! :) Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 17:13:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03060; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:13:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03082; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22022; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:13:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id AE6610E50148; Wed Nov 12 16:23:50 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:12:58 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCEF8E.392BD660.jywon@imisys.com> From: "Justin Y. Won" Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: speaking of gas.... Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:12:56 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Geez...c'mon Squeakers. Have you no regard for protocol or courtesy? Don't you know that "saying just about anything, anytime to anyone" is grounds for being banned from places like AOL, IRC, mail lists and the like? Now I can take a joke as well as the next person, but (correct me if I'm wrong) I also think we ought to maintain a certain level of decorum and fairness, not to mention sticking to relevant list topics. Besides, my issue here has less to do with humor than it does with attitudes and behavior, as I hope many of you will acknowledge. Reverse-sexism is no more tolerable than reverse-racism, unless we all call for a no-holds-barred-free-for-all on this list. If it were a guy making comments like that about women, he'd get lambasted in a second, and rightfully so. I know I'm the new kid on the block here, and I may be out of line, but there are other forums for this kind of stuff, and I really didn't expect to find it here. Please feel free to inform me of your "rules of engagement" here, so I can make a decision on my continued participation. My .02 (Flame guard on) Justin On Wednesday, November 12, 1997 11:28 AM, Squeakers [SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] wrote: > > > Ok, Squeakers, you're really pushing it now. >:-@ > > But that's ok. I won't retaliate, and allow this to degrade into a flame war. > > Just remember, you're outnumbered in here. ;-) > > > > Justin > > > > Aw, just like a man. Take away all the fun!!!! Just > REMEMBER, though.. Ive ALWAYS been outnumbered on this > list, and havent let THAT stop me from saying just about > anything, anytime to anyone. And once I get started, I dont > stop until I get bored with it. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! :) > > But I GOTTA do ONE more joke!! I just GOTTA!!! > > How many men does it take to open a can of beer. > > None. She better have it open for him by the time she > gets it to the couch. > > Why do men name their penises. (penisie?) > > Cuz they like to be onna first name basis with the one > that makes all the decisions. > > Okokok.. maybe that was more than one, but I DO feel MUCH > better now, thank you!! :) :) > > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 17:59:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04287; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03552; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23699; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as3s10.erols.com [207.172.110.137]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15836; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:05:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711122305.SAA15836@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "jywon@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:01:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: speaking of gas.... Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01BCEF8E.392BD660.jywon@imisys.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Geez...c'mon Squeakers. Have you no regard for protocol or courtesy? well.. actually.. NO. > Don't > you know that "saying just about anything, anytime to anyone" is grounds > for being banned from places like AOL, IRC, mail lists and the like? Im not ON AOL. Ive always said whatever I want on the IRC, and have NEVER been banned. If they wanna kick me off the mail list for speaking my mind, then so be it. Ill not censor myself here or anywhere. And I will NEVER EVER change the way I am for ANYONE. This is an adult forum for adults. Go ahead.. tell on me. Get me banned and censored for speaking. Its ok. You can go tell. I dont care. Nanni nanni... I was friggin joking with you. Lighten up. >Now I > can take a joke as well as the next person, No, actually, I dont think you can. >but (correct me if I'm wrong) I > also think we ought to maintain a certain level of decorum and fairness, > not to mention sticking to relevant list topics. Ok. Im correcting you. You're wrong. > Besides, my issue here > has less to do with humor than it does with attitudes and behavior, as I > hope many of you will acknowledge. I dont give a shit whether "many of you" acknowledge something or not. I am what I am and I say what I say. Im not going for "popularity". > Reverse-sexism is no more >tolerable > than reverse-racism, unless we all call for a > no-holds-barred-free-for-all > on this list. Sure it is. If *I* say it, its acceptable. If YOU say it, its sexist. The world according to me. Get over it. >If it were a guy making comments like that >about women, he'd > get lambasted in a second, and rightfully so. HAW! I hear 'em all the time! Those, and "dumb blonde" jokes are thrown at me a lot. *I* dont get mad, upset, or insulted. *I* simply strive to come up with BETTER ones. >I know I'm the new kid on > the block here, and I may be out of line, but there are other forums for > this kind of stuff, and I really didn't expect to find it here. You didnt expect to find people acting and talking like people? You think every word in every post should be strictly and fully and completely motorcycles? None of us are allowed to be FULL people? None of us are allowed to TALK to each other? To get to know each other as something other than the names and types of our bikes? > > Please feel free to inform me of your "rules of engagement" here, so I can > make a decision on my continued participation. The "rules of engagement" are subject to WHO'S doing the engagement. *I* go by MY rules. You know the old saying about if you cant take the heat? And if you consider THIS heat... WOW! > > My .02 .02 from a man is like... aw, Ill be nice THIS time.... > > (Flame guard on) > Justin > No ones flamed you. Im tolerating you. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 18:36:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05806; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03953; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:36:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin43.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25994; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:36:42 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin43.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA24237; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:36:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:36:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971112183610_-525220377@mrin43.mail.aol.com> To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: school daze In a message dated 97-11-12 17:27:56 EST, you write: << I wasnt a model student. Im one of the reasons that kids nowadays have teachers at all the entrances and exits, keeping kids from skipping. I was a "model" skipper. Looking back, I think maybe that wasnt such a good thing. Squeakers >> Just don't let your kids find out. About 2 years ago, realizing my son could drive in 2 years, I stopped telling him my speeding, eluding and other road adventures in autos and motorcycles. Didn't want him to emulate my 2 m/c crashes, 2 successful running attempts, 1 getting caught episode, etc. Remember, you *have* no admittable faults. You're *perfect*. You're "THE MOM" :] Hey, a new Halloween mask idea! Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 19:02:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06157; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04129; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:01:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from gateway.hazmat.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05830; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mjb@localhost) by gateway.hazmat.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA19626 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:01:48 -0500 From: Matt Bennett Message-Id: <199711130001.TAA19626@gateway.hazmat.com> Subject: Re: Group Riding horror story To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:01:47 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Jordan, Michael" at Nov 12, 97 10:10:41 am Reply-To: mjb@XXXXXX X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This talk of group riding brings to mind an incident I was involved in last May. My then Fiancee (now wife) and I went to the East Coast Hawk GT rally, she on her Hawk, and I on my BMW. When we left on the Saturday morning ride, there was a pretty big group, maybe 30 or 40, all sorts of bikes, my BMW R100RS was probably the "biggest" (at least in weight) there. Erika (my wife) and I rode together on my BMW, and I was piloting. I always though riding in a big group was kinda neat, and this was no exception. There were bikes stretched out as far as I could see in front and behind. We started out at a gentle pace, and I was comfortable with it. After a while (10 minutes or so) the road started getting twistier, and the lead rider went *faster* (he was a racer on a Bandit 1200). He expected us to go at our own pace, and catch up with him later. I was doing just that. Not everyone else was so inclined. After a while a large gap opened up in front of me (I was going at a pace I was comfortable with, considering that I also was carrying a passenger). and this was just too tempting for some of the "Young and Dumb and Full of Testosterone" folks behind me. They started to pass me. I was not going to try to block them, so I moved over to the right edge of the road to give them as much room as possible. A group of 3 started to pass me (in a passing zone), one by one. By the time it got to the third rider, the passing zone was over, and we went into a sharp right hand turn, followed by a short straight, and a sharp left turn. Rider #3 on a beautiful VFR750, 2 week old paint, tried to pass on the short (no passing zone) straight, between the two 90 degree corners. Appearing around the blind left hand corner was *oncoming traffic*. The VFR came back into my lane (slightly ahead of me, and *much* faster), straightened up, braked hard. (He must have locked the rear, since I saw a telltalle wiggle from his bike.) Then he tried to take the corner. He lowsided directly in front of me. I going a bit fast even for my comfort at this point, so I concentrated on looking through the corner (even as I heard crashing motorcycle to my front, and then to my right), and pushing *hard* to make it through the corner. Not wanting anyone else to hit us from behind, I slowed to a stop well beyond the corner (not hard). Before I had put the sidestand down, Erika had jumped off to go see if she could help. She came back yelling to me "get the Cell Phone!" The two riders behind me suffered from target fixation and ran off the road, thankfully into an open field. We called 911 and got help for the downed rider, who by that point had his own helmet off and was limping around. He had many injuries, and probably should not have taken his helmet off, but his protective gear did help. What I learned from this: 1) Make it clear from the beginning, *NO PASSING*. Make sure there are plenty of opportunites to adjust position (stop signs, rest breaks, etc.), especially at the start of the ride. 2) Carry a Cellular Phone! 3) Try to know the name of the road you are on. This is a vital thing to tell the 911 operator. 4) Go at your own speed, and keep your distance. 5) Unless it is well controlled, break it up into smaller groups (5-6 bikes, matched to riding style) Matt mjb@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 19:04:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06208; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04153; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:04:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1d.delphi.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05872; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:03:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.141] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.141]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPXLD8XS4091WXR8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:59:23 EST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:59:25 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: wintry mix To: klthomas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles Message-id: <01IPXLD9HC7M91WXR8@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >It's all George's fault! He's the one who mentioned wintry mix!! Knowing my luck, it's the one time in the past month that the long range forecast won't change at the last minute:( ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 19:14:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06407; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04277; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:14:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06156; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:14:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [12.3.130.190] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id AAEA13760146; Wed Nov 12 18:25:30 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:14:38 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCEF9F.384C6320.jywon@imisys.com> From: "Justin Y. Won" Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: speaking of gas.... Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:14:36 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Squeakers- (to all the other listers, I apologize in advance for wasting the bandwidth. Feel free to hit delete now.) You've made it excrutiatingly obvious that you have no regard for protocol or courtesy. And you're just SO diplomatic with strangers. I'll bet you really know how to make friends and influence people. I'm sorry, but you don't know me, and I don't really appreciate your humor, at least not in the context of this forum. Jokes are supposed to be funny. Yours were not. So you think I should lighten up. I suppose all the niggers, chinks, kikes and krauts of the world ought to lighten up too when they hear jokes full of racial epithets. As a matter of fact, I can take a joke. I love a good joke. I can laugh at the tasteless and offensive ones, given the right context. What I can't take is intolerant self-centered narrow-minded bashing, which some your postings are full of. And I wasn't aware that you made the rules here. Sexism is acceptable because "you say so"??? I suppose you support racism too. That's just the kind of attitude that made Nazi Germany great, and because Adolf said so. And I haven't seen any of the shit-slinging that you refer to here, except from you. "There's a time and a place for everything". Know what that means? You have a wonderfully unique talent for being extreme. You obviously haven't a clue as to what I expected here. I expected to find responsible adults who can "talk to each other" without offending the others around them. I expected to find informal conversation about the sport that we all share and enjoy. I expected some good hearted yet tasteful humor and banter. And for the most part, I found that. I sure as hell didn't expect self-righteous egotistical sexist male bashing that you suddenly spewed. And I didn't expect to find people who unabashedly declare that they'd run a newbie off the road for being inexperienced. I'm sure that gave everyone else on the list real warm and fuzzies about riding with you. But then again, you are what you are, so tough shit, right? Right. I agree that your rules are fine if you want to operate in your environment with people who agree to your rules. But this is a forum, with many other people who have their own expectations, ideas and rules, too. The rest of us can play nice together. Why can't you? You say you're tolerating me, but you've yet to show any kind of tolerant behavior whatsoever. Judging from your words and your attitude, you seem to be an extremely intolerant individual, not unlike the other racist/sexist/facist people I've had the misfortune of encountering throughout my lifetime. Well, i guess you've made your point painfully clear. If the other listers agree with you, then I'll take my leave. And although I don't expect you to agree with it, I hope that you can put aside you anger long enough to at least try to understand my point. Good luck being an "adult". My guess is you're gonna need it. BTW, I was joking. You can take a joke, can't you? Justin On Wednesday, November 12, 1997 13:02 PM, Squeakers [SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] wrote: > > > Geez...c'mon Squeakers. Have you no regard for protocol or > courtesy? > > > well.. actually.. NO. > > > Don't > > you know that "saying just about anything, anytime to anyone" is grounds > > for being banned from places like AOL, IRC, mail lists and the like? > > Im not ON AOL. Ive always said whatever I want on the > IRC, and have NEVER been banned. If they wanna kick me off > the mail list for speaking my mind, then so be it. Ill not > censor myself here or anywhere. And I will NEVER EVER > change the way I am for ANYONE. This is an adult forum for > adults. Go ahead.. tell on me. Get me banned and censored > for speaking. Its ok. You can go tell. I dont care. Nanni > nanni... > > I was friggin joking with you. Lighten up. > > > >Now I > > can take a joke as well as the next person, > > No, actually, I dont think you can. > > >but (correct me if I'm wrong) I > > also think we ought to maintain a certain level of decorum and fairness, > > not to mention sticking to relevant list topics. > > Ok. Im correcting you. You're wrong. > > > > Besides, my issue here > > has less to do with humor than it does with attitudes and behavior, as I > > hope many of you will acknowledge. > > I dont give a shit whether "many of you" acknowledge > something or not. I am what I am and I say what I say. Im > not going for "popularity". > > > > Reverse-sexism is no more > >tolerable > > than reverse-racism, unless we all call for a > > no-holds-barred-free-for-all > > on this list. > > > Sure it is. If *I* say it, its acceptable. If YOU say > it, its sexist. The world according to me. Get over it. > > > > >If it were a guy making comments like that > >about women, he'd > > get lambasted in a second, and rightfully so. > > HAW! I hear 'em all the time! Those, and "dumb blonde" > jokes are thrown at me a lot. *I* dont get mad, upset, or > insulted. *I* simply strive to come up with BETTER ones. > > > >I know I'm the new kid on > > the block here, and I may be out of line, but there are other forums for > > this kind of stuff, and I really didn't expect to find it here. > > > You didnt expect to find people acting and talking like > people? You think every word in every post should be > strictly and fully and completely motorcycles? None of us > are allowed to be FULL people? None of us are allowed to > TALK to each other? To get to know each other as something > other than the names and types of our bikes? > > > > > Please feel free to inform me of your "rules of engagement" here, so I can > > make a decision on my continued participation. > > The "rules of engagement" are subject to WHO'S doing the > engagement. *I* go by MY rules. You know the old saying > about if you cant take the heat? And if you consider THIS > heat... WOW! > > > > > My .02 > > .02 from a man is like... aw, Ill be nice THIS time.... > > > > > (Flame guard on) > > Justin > > > > No ones flamed you. Im tolerating you. > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 19:39:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06723; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04375; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:38:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06812; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (squeakers@XXXXXX [207.172.110.137]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA13274; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:45:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711130045.TAA13274@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "jywon@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:41:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: speaking of gas.... Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01BCEF9F.384C6320.jywon@imisys.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Dear Squeakers- (to all the other listers, I apologize in advance for > wasting the bandwidth. Feel free to hit delete now.) > Justin. I see you wrote this twice. ONE time to me.. where you spoke in all caps and THIS time to all. I ALREADY answered the OTHER one, and do NOT intend to waste my time responding to the SAME thing all over again SO.. Im simply pasting my original reply here. I STILL say you're a silly boy. BTW WHY did you spend so much time typing it TWICE?!?!?!?!? Here we go!!!!! :) > THAT'S PAINFULLY OBVIOUS. You're yelling. Thats considered impolite. Shame on you. > > YOU'RE SO DIPLOMATIC WITH STRANGERS. I BET YOU REALLY > KNOW HOW TO MAKE FRIENDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE. Still yelling. Have I upset you? > > EXCUSE ME, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW ME, AND I DON'T REALLY > APPRECIATE YOUR JOKES, AT LEAST NOT IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS > FORUM. JOKES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY. YOU'RE NOT FUNNY. > I SUPPOSE ALL THE NIGGERS, CHINKS, KIKES AND KRAUTS OUGHT > TO LIGHTEN UP TOO. wow. STILL yelling...... > > > > > IN FACT, I CAN. WHAT I CAN'T TAKE IS INTOLERANT BASHING, > WHICH YOUR POSTINGS ARE FULL OF. No, you cant. > > > > > OH I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU MADE THE RULES HERE. Well, now you do, so dont let it happen again. You're still yelling, BTW > > > > > I SUPPOSE YOU SUPPORT RACISM TOO THEN, EH? THAT'S THE > KIND OF ATTITUDE THAT MADE NAZI GERMANY GREAT! Dont you think you're overreacting now? Have you taken your Prozac today? You really DO need to calm down a bit. > > I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THAT CRAP HERE, EXCEPT FROM YOU. > "THERE'S A TIME AND A PLACE FOR EVERYTHING". KNOW WHAT > THAT MEANS? No. What does it mean? > > YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL TALENT FOR BEING EXTREME. YOU > OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T A CLUE AS TO WHAT I EXPECTED. I EXPECTED > TO FIND RESPONSIBLE ADULTS WHO CAN "TALK TO EACH OTHER" > WITHOUT OFFENDING THE OTHERS AROUND THEM. I EXPECTED TO > FIND INFORMAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THE SPORT THAT WE ALL > SHARE AND ENJOY. > I EXPECTED SOME GOOD HEARTED YET TASTEFUL HUMOR AND > BANTER. My. You have a lot of unrealized expectations in this life, havent you. and BTW. You're STILL yelling. > > I SURE AS HELL DIDN'T EXPECT SELF-RIGHTEOUS SEXIST > BASHING. AND I DIDN'T EXPECT TO FIND PEOPLE WHO > UNABASHEDLY DECLARE THAT THEY'D RUN A NEWBIE OFF THE ROAD > FOR BEING INEXPERIENCED. I'M SURE THAT GAVE EVERYONE ELSE > ON THE LIST REAL WARM AND FUZZIES ABOUT YOU. BUT THEN > AGAIN, YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE, SO TOUGH SHIT, RIGHT? 1) lighten up. You'll get high blood pressure. 2) the newbie was a DANGER to my LIFE, and WOULDNT back off no matter WHAT I was doing. I had an oncoming car on a tight curve on a narrow back road and a newbie rider NEXT to me that wouldnt back off. Get a clue. 3) thats right! I am what I am, so tough shit. (and get a clue) 4) You're STILL yelling!!!! > > > > > > > YOUR RULES ARE FINE IF YOU WANT TO OPERATE IN YOUR > ENVIRONMENT WITH PEOPLE WHO AGREE TO YOUR RULES. THIS IS > A FORUM, WITH MANY PEOPLE WHO MIGHT HAVE THEIR OWN > EXPECTATIONS AND IDEAS. THE REST OF US CAN PLAY NICE > TOGETHER. WHY CAN'T YOU? Cuz I dont want to. Especially with you. You're no fun. and STILL you yell!!!!!! WOW! > > .02 from a man is like... aw, Ill be nice THIS time.... > > > > THAT'S A FIRST. NO!! Thats not true!!I resent that!!! Its a SECOND!!!! > > > No ones flamed you. Im tolerating you. > > REALLY??? YOU'VE YET TO SHOW ANY KIND OF TOLERANT BEHAVIOR > WHATSOEVER. > JUDGING FROM YOUR WORDS AND YOUR ATTITUDE, YOU'RE > PROBABLY AN EXTREMELY > INTOLERANT INDIVIDUAL, NOT UNLIKE THE OTHER RACIST, > SEXIST, FACIST PEOPLE I'VE HAD THE MISFORTUNE OF > ENCOUNTERING THROUGHOUT MY LIFETIME. heheheheheh WOW!!!! Now Im not only racist and sexist... Im a FACIST too!!!!!! Are you SURE you arent perhaps overreacting just a tad? > > Ok, I guess you've made YOUR point PAINFULLY clear. Good > luck being an "adult". My guess is you're gonna need it. > > Justin Nope. Bad guess. (male mind. What do you expect?) Ive already got the world in my pocket, thank you. And I intend to NEVER EVER be "adult". Now calm down and take your pill!!!!! Silly boy. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 20:19:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07508; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04847; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01444; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id UAA19315; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:17:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <346A5507.940878E3@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:16:56 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "jywon@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: speaking of gas.... References: <199711130045.TAA13274@smtp1.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did you ASK the poor boy to back off with words not body lang. ?? Why do ugly Chicks ride bikes? Cause it's the only way they can get something between there legs... It's only a joke.. did you laugh... I did at yours. PS. My wife got me into riding. She had a bike for 6 months before I did. I get a #$^%*& everytime a guy says "Your wife rides.. That is so cool" Squeakers wrote: > 1) lighten up. You'll get high blood pressure. > 2) the newbie was a DANGER to my LIFE, and WOULDNT back off > no matter WHAT I was doing. I had an oncoming car on a tight > curve on a narrow back road and a newbie rider NEXT to me > that wouldnt back off. Get a clue. > 3) thats right! I am what I am, so tough shit. (and get a > clue) > 4) You're STILL yelling!!!! > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 21:14:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08368; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05290; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00746; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.66]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA18545 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:13:49 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Justin & Squeakers Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:11:15 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971113021348.AAA18545@default> Y'all-- I was just thinking of addressing this topic the other day. Sort of. What I had in mind was that it's cool we can make semi-rude comments in fun, as adults who respect each other, yet can take and make a joke. These comments would trigger a sexual (or other) harassment suit in whatever setting we might work or go to school, and IMHO, that is one of the many things wrong with society today. So it's nice that we can say these things without hurting anyone's feelings, the same as I would with my friends whom I see in person. I know Squeakers was joking, and I think she likes men just fine, and I think Justin sounded sincerely offended, not joking. It's his right to be offended, and I appreciate his saying so, rather than just sending us all an "unsubscribe" message. I can't explain Squeakers to Justin, and I think somebody who'd be offended by her wouldn't understand even if I could explain her. I've been enjoying Squeakers' company, and I think Justin will be nice to have around too. I hope they can work this out. One thing's for sure: If Squeakers somehow offends you, she will continue to. I'm sure she doesn't want you to be offended, but she's not going to stop whatever it is you don't like. And to unsubscribe, send the unsubscribe message to the same address you subscribed to. Sending it to us won't do a thing. Have a nice day. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 22:10:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09235; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06896; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01620; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.122]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA22715 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 03:09:21 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: staying warm and dry Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:06:46 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971113030920.AAA22715@default> Hey, y'all-- Just went to REI and picked up some goodies, recommended by the year-round Hawk rider/sales guy there. Wanted a windproof neck thing that isn't a balaclava. He said the best one is actually part of a hat, a Sequel snow hat. It's all made of 2 thin layers of fleece sandwiching a thin, stretchy windproof layer. It's a baseball cap with a velcroed face/neck thing. You take the neck part off and wear it. It's the only windproof thing he knows of. I just pulled it up onto my chin, but it can cover up to your cheeks. $36. I also got goretex/cordura waterproof overmitts. Big mitten shells that go on over gloves. The Goretex label says they're not waterproof, just water resistant, but the manufacturer's label says if you seamseal them, they are fully waterproof. From Outdoor Research, $29. REI is in College Park at Rhode Island Av and Edgewood (I think) Rd. Phone 301-982-9681. If you don't know about REI, as people who are active outdoors, you _need_ to go there. I will get a rebate at the end of the year on all my purchases. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 22:44:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09772; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:44:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11445; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02291; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA11743; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:43:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <346AA1DB.3482@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:44:43 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: klthomas@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: staying warm and dry References: <19971113030920.AAA22715@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kevin thomas wrote: > > Hey, y'all-- > > Just went to REI and picked up some goodies, recommended by the year-round > Hawk rider/sales guy there. Wanted a windproof neck thing that isn't a > balaclava. He said the best one is actually part of a hat, a Sequel snow > hat. It's all made of 2 thin layers of fleece sandwiching a thin, stretchy > windproof layer. It's a baseball cap with a velcroed face/neck thing. You > take the neck part off and wear it. It's the only windproof thing he knows > of. I just pulled it up onto my chin, but it can cover up to your cheeks. > $36. Hey Kev et al, Personally, I like the baklava thingy ;) Mine (from REI) is a stretchy head piece with fleece type neck/collar piece attached. I saw someone wearing what you described and I thought it looked bulky - what with the velcro-fastened doubling and whatnot. Mine definitely does the job and with the vest's collar, my neck remains toasty. I think I paid $15 or so... > REI is in College Park at Rhode Island Av and Edgewood (I think) Rd. Phone > 301-982-9681. If you don't know about REI, as people who are active > outdoors, you _need_ to go there. I will get a rebate at the end of the > year on all my purchases. There's also an REI on Carlin Springs just off Rte 7 in Baileys Crossroads for VA situated folks. But you're right, that was my first choice to check out cold weather stuff. It's a bit trendy and yuppified (read overpriced), but overall quality seems very good. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 23:26:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10317; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:26:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12345; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03194; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:26:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as2s52.erols.com [207.172.110.115]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA22611; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:32:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711130432.XAA22611@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: squeakers@XXXXXX, jay goddard Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:28:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: speaking of gas.... Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "jywon@XXXXXX" Priority: normal In-reply-to: <346A5507.940878E3@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Why do ugly Chicks ride bikes? > > Cause it's the only way they can get something between there legs... > > It's only a joke.. did you laugh... I did at yours. :) Yeah, it was funny, but NOW I gotta think up an ugly MAN joke, dammit!!! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 23:32:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10449; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12388; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03280; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.138] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.138]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPXUU3ULHS91X9GO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:30:23 EST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:30:25 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: wintry mix To: Caron Rose , klthomas@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <01IPXUU8CYGI91X9GO@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Hey - I did my part to keep the winter mild; I got the jeep. So at least >this one isn't my fault! More proof that it's my fault: I bought a Miata this past summer. (While the bike was in the shop) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 12 23:55:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10836; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13276; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:55:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from imisys.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03851; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [166.55.67.114] by imisys.com (SMTPD32-3.00) id ACB914740152; Wed Nov 12 23:06:17 1997 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:55:17 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCEFC6.6D417260.jywon@imisys.com> From: "Justin Y. Won" Reply-To: "jywon@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: Justin & Squeakers Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:55:16 -0500 Organization: IMI Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, After thinking about it for a while, I think you're right. It IS cool that you can hang in this forum and make jokes, and everybody understands that they're just jokes. That's one of the best things about being with friends. You all understand each other and can kid around without worrying too much about insulting or hurting each other's feelings. The only thing is, this list is not a closed or private circle of friends. And I must excuse myself for being a newbie here, but I don't know everybody's M.O. or what they're all about. Squeakers, I'm sorry for having made such rash generalizations and conclusions about you and your values. That was wrong. But I also think you need to be aware of how you might come across to people who don't know you. Like me. To be quite honest, I wasn't all that offended by Squeakers' original "sexist" comments. I've been on the Net for many many (too many) years, and have seen and read it all. What got me was that I've seen many a male get dragged over the coals for similar sexist joking behavior in lists or newsgroups or other interactive forums, and it just didn't seem fair to me that some women are allowed to hold a double standard on that issue. I've seen alot of "jokes" get taken the wrong way, but I've honestly never seen anybody get so self-righteous about it. I didn't mean to disturb the atmosphere in here, and I'm sorry if I did, but I really didn't appreciate the way Squeakers responded to my original comments. I felt it was indignant, unreasonable and selfish. I realize that many of the subtleties of speech are lost in written communications, and I tried to take that into account. But I also don't think that Squeakers would NOT have reacted so strongly against me if the discourse had occured in person, say at a cocktail party or a happy hour. Why should common courtesies be forgone just because you're anonymous and typing instead of speaking? It's alot easier to slam someone when you don't have to look them in the eye, isn't it? Really, shouldn't we just treat each other here the way we would in any other social situtation? You all seem to know each other pretty well here. Unfortunately, I don't really know any of you. If I have a wrong impression of anyone, I'd appreciate your frankness and candor, as long as it's tempered with respect and courtesy. I certainly did NOT want the kind of flame war that erupted here. In order to maintain the friendly informal atmosphere of this list, I think it's essential that new listers are initiated gently. Yuo can catch more flies with a teaspoon of honey than a barrel of vinegar. My apologies to you all. And to you, Squeakers, I'm ready to bury the hatchet if you are. Justin On Wednesday, November 12, 1997 21:11 PM, kevin thomas [SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] wrote: > Y'all-- > > I was just thinking of addressing this topic the other day. Sort of. What > I had in mind was that it's cool we can make semi-rude comments in fun, as > adults who respect each other, yet can take and make a joke. These > comments would trigger a sexual (or other) harassment suit in whatever > setting we might work or go to school, and IMHO, that is one of the many > things wrong with society today. So it's nice that we can say these things > without hurting anyone's feelings, the same as I would with my friends whom > I see in person. > > I know Squeakers was joking, and I think she likes men just fine, and I > think Justin sounded sincerely offended, not joking. It's his right to be > offended, and I appreciate his saying so, rather than just sending us all > an "unsubscribe" message. I can't explain Squeakers to Justin, and I think > somebody who'd be offended by her wouldn't understand even if I could > explain her. > > I've been enjoying Squeakers' company, and I think Justin will be nice to > have around too. I hope they can work this out. One thing's for sure: If > Squeakers somehow offends you, she will continue to. I'm sure she doesn't > want you to be offended, but she's not going to stop whatever it is you > don't like. > > And to unsubscribe, send the unsubscribe message to the same address you > subscribed to. Sending it to us won't do a thing. > > Have a nice day. > > Kevin > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 00:21:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11619; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14027; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:21:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04232; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.138] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.138]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPXUU3ULHS91X9GO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:30:28 EST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:30:30 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) To: squeakers@XXXXXX, Todd Peer Cc: jywon@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Message-id: <01IPXUUBTJGQ91X9GO@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >We break up into smaller ones, and Pat stays BEHIND me. >Where he can watch and protect. He's so sweet! :) Are you sure he's behind you to watch your riding? -George ghowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 00:26:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11694; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14037; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04265; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:26:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.138] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.138]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPXUU3ULHS91X9GO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:30:41 EST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:30:42 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: school daze To: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <01IPXUUM67V491X9GO@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Just don't let your kids find out. About 2 years ago, realizing my son could >drive in 2 years, I stopped telling him my speeding, eluding and other road >adventures in autos and motorcycles. Didn't want him to emulate my 2 m/c >crashes, 2 successful running attempts, 1 getting caught episode, etc. Hehe. My father figured this one out, but he still regaled me with tales of youthful stupidity on motorcycles, as I never showed any interest until I was in my mid 20's. I've done my best to top them. :) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 00:29:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11715; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14062; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1d.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04310; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.138] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.138]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPXUU3ULHS91X9GO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:30:36 EST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:30:38 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Weekend Ride, Alternitaves To: Brian McCoy , DC Cycles Message-id: <01IPXUUHZNAY91X9GO@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Well, seeing as the weather might not cooperate - all those who wanted > to go riding, meet at George's house.. I think it's time for a > linchin' - (some of that there Wyoming heritage come'n out.. > yeeeehaaw!) Might want to be a bit careful about that. I live in a rather.... countrified area of Maryland. And if you're not real nice, I'll serve some stuffed ham sandwiches (I live right around the corner from the place that made the stuffed ham that caused 700+ people to get ill at a church dinner). Still, if you can find the place, don't mind a mile of gravel, and the dogs don't bother you, come on down. I'll introduce you to my neighbor, the paranoid ex-cop. All in fun... ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 00:30:13 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11741; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14089; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1d.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04322; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.138] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.138]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPXUU3ULHS91X9GO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:30:32 EST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:30:34 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: CO1 was: "Winterizing" To: Todd Peer , DC Cycles Message-id: <01IPXUUF1TGK91X9GO@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Better still, where can I get one of these hoses? I'm assuming they >have a universal tail-pipe fitting. True? Have seen them in JC Whitney, but would think that if you are handy with a hole saw, you could build your own. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 00:30:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11744; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14093; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04325; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:30:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.138] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.138]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPXUU3ULHS91X9GO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:30:46 EST Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:30:48 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) To: Todd Peer , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <01IPXUUPS5RQ91X9GO@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Maybe we can ALL meet together and shove off in different groups. >The slower group will meet the others at a predetermined time/place for >lunch and rest. I think we can keep the ride to around 120 miles round >trip, sticking to the speed limits, and learn a little about group >dynamics in the process. I'd vote for this option. Provided of course that anyone else is crazy enough to be out riding:) What size wood screws should I put in my tires? ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 01:04:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12255; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA14414; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:04:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtolympus.ari.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04833; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA28445; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:07:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:07:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: kevin thomas cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Justin & Squeakers In-Reply-To: <19971113021348.AAA18545@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I find Squeakers to be an irritant personally. Something about a personality that's stuck at an emotional age of, oh, 13 or so. So, I just delete her crap and move on to messages that actually have some content of interest, and at least a smidgen of intelligent thought. There is useful content on the list - think of Squeaker's posts as just a little more spam to skip over. Works for me. Brian. bee@XXXXXX '85 VF700C Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 01:13:22 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12359; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15062; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:13:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04957; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:13:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.159] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.159]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPXXDX2VWW91X9DY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:43:39 EST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:43:41 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: RE: speaking of gas.... To: "jywon@XXXXXX" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <01IPXXE2HNXY91X9DY@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I sure as hell didn't expect self-righteous egotistical sexist male bashing >that you suddenly spewed. Then you obviously didn't read the list for very long before jumping in. I've been lurking for about two or three months, and am only now starting to post much. Had you paid attention, you'd see that Squeakers doesn't go three days without reminding us of her opinions about the superior sex. And as for running a newbie off the road... Hey, it's my life out there also. And to me, my life is more important than just about anybody else's. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 01:43:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12565; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:43:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15285; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05253; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA23404; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:49:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:49:42 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Justin & Squeakers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Brian E. Ewell wrote: > > I find Squeakers to be an irritant personally. Something about a > personality that's stuck at an emotional age of, oh, 13 or so. So, I just > delete her crap and move on to messages that actually have some content of > interest, and at least a smidgen of intelligent thought. > > There is useful content on the list - think of Squeaker's posts as > just a little more spam to skip over. Works for me. > And I find her interesting and funny. And not stuffy. No accounting for taste. But thanks for sharing. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 06:36:14 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA14953; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 06:36:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA19274; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 06:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA08589; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 06:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 06:36:31 -0500 Message-ID: <915E7359243FD011ACF30000F822DEFA01F24C42@Pentagon-DADC010.army.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: speaking of gas.... Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 06:38:09 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Wow, that's the smartest thing I've heard you say in months. I knew we had you around for something. ;-) Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX > How many men does it take to open a can of beer. > > None. She better have it open for him by the time she > gets it to the couch. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 07:40:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA15381; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20204; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA09024; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:40:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA22017 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 04:37:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCF007.6D08ECB0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:40:34 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'klthomas@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: staying warm and dry Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:40:22 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For Virgin(ians), there is also an REI on Carlin Springs Road at Route 7, in the Arlington/Falls Church area. Yes it is a great store ... but a bit pricey. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >--------- >From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 10:06 PM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: staying warm and dry > >Hey, y'all-- >--snip-- >REI is in College Park at Rhode Island Av and Edgewood (I think) Rd. Phone >301-982-9681. If you don't know about REI, as people who are active >outdoors, you _need_ to go there. I will get a rebate at the end of the >year on all my purchases. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 08:30:15 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15889; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:30:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21277; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from meretrix.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09815; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:30:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from kiri.meretrix.com (kiri.meretrix.com [207.42.198.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20268 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:30:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from kiri.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by kiri.meretrix.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA10747 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:30:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711131330.IAA10747@kiri.meretrix.com> To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Justin & Squeakers In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:49:42 EST." Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:30:01 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos Email bickering is a fine mailing list tradition, but really not such a great spectator sport. Arguments should be taken to private email as soon as they leave the realm of motorcycling (and perhaps before that), no point dragging along a captive audience of disinterested spectators. The art of "not replying" can take years to master, but is one of the steps on the path to becoming one with the mailing list. In the short term, the art of "replying to the @#%&^@& idiot alone" will suffice, and this is a skill which many have found can be quickly mastered. -harry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 08:30:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15902; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21285; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09826; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA23788 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 05:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCF00E.72924C10@XXXXXX>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:30:50 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'jywon@XXXXXX'" , "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: speaking of gas.... Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:30:34 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Squeakers, I'm disappointed. I expected a bit more witty repertoire than, repeating "why are you yelling" 10 times. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >---------- >From: Squeakers[SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 2:41 PM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; jywon@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: speaking of gas.... >--snip-- > Here we go!!!!! :) > >> THAT'S PAINFULLY OBVIOUS. > > You're yelling. Thats considered impolite. Shame on you. > >--snip-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 08:52:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16344; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:52:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22071; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10603; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA23797 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:51:50 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma023767; Thu, 13 Nov 97 08:51:34 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA03707; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879428924; Thu, 13 Nov 97 08:48:45 -0500 Message-Id: <9711138794.AA879428924@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 08:45:51 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Hey Harry... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry, Do you have a motorcycle? I can't ever remember seeing a post from you on here in regards to motorcycles. Maybe I'm just blind (tap..tap..tap...... THUD) - who knows.. Brian - VF500fg and a down payment on an RS125 race bike! woohoo! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 08:52:16 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16350; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:52:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22072; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10601; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:51:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA24706 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 05:49:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCF011.7185B6B0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:52:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'jywon@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:52:04 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: Squeakers[SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 11:43 AM >To: Todd Peer >Cc: jywon@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) --snip-- >up just cuz I couldnt handle what that guy was doing. I >SHOULD have done it, though. What he did was dangerous. Not >only was he new at group riding, but he was a new rider >PERIOD. No way could he have handled ANYTHING that >coulda gone wrong. He coulda killed me. > I DID, however, complain to the ride leader at our first >stop, and he then broke us up into smaller groups. MUCH >better. --snip-- So ... knowing this, you intentionally tried to cut him off? Even though you knew he couldn't handle it? I agree that he was wrong, and ignorant about riding, but that is cold-blooded Squeakers. You could have seriously injured him. Actually, you could have seriously injured him INTENTIONALLY. Please post to the list which runs/group rides you will be attending next year. Advance notice would be nice. Thanks, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 09:15:04 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16786; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22304; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11117; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA11647; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:14:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:13:38 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D257C12@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: staying warm and dry Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:13:45 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Kevin, please let us know after you've tried out the neck thing if it really works. I'd like to get one if it works well... Thanks. - Jeannette > Wanted a windproof neck thing that isn't a > > balaclava. He said the best one is actually part of a hat, a Sequel > snow > > hat. It's all made of 2 thin layers of fleece sandwiching a thin, > stretchy > > windproof layer. It's a baseball cap with a velcroed face/neck > thing. You > > take the neck part off and wear it. It's the only windproof thing > he knows > > of. I just pulled it up onto my chin, but it can cover up to your > cheeks. > > $36. > Later > Kevin > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing > it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 09:19:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16863; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22338; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:18:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11231; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:18:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA11772 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA20329 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:18:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971113141813.BTKV21868@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:18:13 -0600 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:09 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride!!! RIDE RIDE RIDE Was: Group Riding horror story X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971113141813.BTKV21868@[166.41.242.141]> Matt Bennett Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:01:47: >This talk of group riding brings to mind an incident I was involved in >last May. My then Fiancee (now wife) and I went to the East Coast Hawk GT >rally, she on her Hawk, and I on my BMW. When we left on the Saturday morning >ride, there was a pretty big group, maybe 30 or 40, all sorts of bikes, >Rider #3 on a beautiful >VFR750, 2 week old paint, tried to pass on the short (no passing zone) >straight, between the two 90 degree corners. > >Appearing around the blind left hand corner was *oncoming traffic*. > >The VFR came back into my lane (slightly ahead of me, and *much* faster), >straightened up, braked hard. (He must have locked the rear, since I >saw a telltalle wiggle from his bike.) Then he tried to take the corner. >He lowsided directly in front of me. I going a bit fast even for my comfort >What I learned from this: > >1) Make it clear from the beginning, *NO PASSING*. Make sure there are >plenty of opportunites to adjust position (stop signs, rest breaks, etc.), >especially at the start of the ride. > >2) Carry a Cellular Phone! > >3) Try to know the name of the road you are on. This is a vital thing to >tell the 911 operator. > >4) Go at your own speed, and keep your distance. > >5) Unless it is well controlled, break it up into smaller groups (5-6 bikes, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >matched to riding style) Lrge groups are always a cluster f k. I and a couple others had an opportunity to ride in CF fashion to Solomons Island this past summer, and opted to ride ahead. We were a group of three. Some of our other friends went ahead with the larger group and described the experience as tense and constricted. Screw that. The Weather Channel predicted windy but sunny conditions on Saturday. Temperatures in the mid-40's. Let's get this ride on! Dress for warmth (duh!) and bring something more to keep warm. So far the best suggested route I've seen was from Michael Jordan (below). If anyone has another and wants to ride, can you tell us what it is? Todd ---------------------------------- T: "if we do this, I'll be leaving from Springfield, out Old Keene Mill road, right on Fairfax Pkway (N/W) to 50w, to (??? forgot the number but know the road-- 27?), into Leesburg to meet everyone. Anyone want to ride out w/me from Springfield, let me know." :T >Nice short loop starting from Leesburg goes to Harper's Ferry, WV to >Sharpsburg, MD (along the Potomac east bank), back to Harper's Ferry >(along the Potomac west bank) across 340 and along the Shenandoah to >route 9 and back to Leesburg. As I recall, the Leesburg-Leesburg loop is >right about 120 miles (don't hold me to this). Possible lunch/BS/warmup >stops are at Harper's Ferry (a little over half way through) and >Leesburg (Payne's Biker Cafe, of course). > >Microsoft's Automap doesn't cover the requisite roads, so will check >with Map 'n Go at home > >Michael Jordan >'93 GSX 1100GP >'86 SRX-6 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 09:19:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16878; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22348; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11243; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id JAA26972 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:19:21 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma026933; Thu, 13 Nov 97 09:19:06 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id JAA04418 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879430575; Thu, 13 Nov 97 09:16:18 -0500 Message-Id: <9711138794.AA879430575@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 09:13:03 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Actual Plans for the Weekend Ride MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alrighty folx, I've gotten 15 or so replays to my desire to wanting to go for a ride. Todd volunteered to lead a more relaxed group for those of you who are a little newer to your bikes, motorcycles in general or going out in groups. We've also got Collin and Glenn who are both very accomplished leaders for the more sporty crowd. Michael and Kevin also interjected a route or two that's possible, so it seems that we can have something for everyone. As it stands for time, I think leaving from a meeting point at 10am works well - that allows lots of time to get up and get to where we want to meet - allow the day to warm up a little, we'll still have plenty of time for a ride, lunch and getting home while the sun's up too. As far as I can tell, most people are more VA locals than MD - so Kevin, Mark and myself will have to suffer and travel a bit further to meet up with everyone (not a problem, we all ride Honda V4's!). I think Tysons corner, or something off 66 west would be a good place to take off from (People who are willing to lead, please either correct this, or make suggestions - if 2 groups, and we want to meet for lunch - we need to plan that too). I don't know how most of you ride, or what your chill factor is - but I'm pretty much comfortable in any weather, and almost any conditions when on my bike. If there's only one other person interested, I'll be there to go for a ride. No need for anyone to e-mail 'me too's or 'include me' - I'll post more complete details as I get them (especially about routes, and a firm starting point) from those who are willing to lead. Todd, you'll need a sweeper (right term here? Experienced rider to hang back and watch everyone) if you're still willing to lead - if you can't get anyone, I'll be more than happy to do this. I guess that's about it for now... I'll try to have something else out by the end of today, but it's all dependent on the news I hear. cheers, and ride safe. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 09:33:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17271; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22679; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:33:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11864; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as2s30.erols.com [207.172.110.93]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA22567; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:37:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711131437.JAA22567@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" , "Meier, Christopher" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:33:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: "'jywon@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > So ... knowing this, you intentionally tried to cut him off? Even > though you knew he couldn't handle it? > > I agree that he was wrong, and ignorant about riding, but that is > cold-blooded Squeakers. You could have seriously injured him. > Actually, you could have seriously injured him INTENTIONALLY. > > Please post to the list which runs/group rides you will be attending > next year. Advance notice would be nice. > > Thanks, > chris > Yup. I INTENTIONALLY cut him off. Im not sure which part of my earlier posts that you're having such a hard time understanding, so Ill try and keep it VERY simple. 1) narrow back country road 2) sharp curve 3) car comin TOWARDS me 4) newbie biker NEXT to me that WOULDNT back off now... for the reading and understanding impaired... when you're on one of those kinds of roads, and you're at a curve and all of a sudden there's a CAR coming AT you AND you have a BIKE NEXT to you... it comes down to you getting hit head on by the car OR you moving out of its way. I chose to NOT get hit head on. Perhaps YOU would have allowed the car to run over you. Your life, your choice. No loss. I personally decided that if one of us was gonna die because of some ignorant newbie rider that REFUSED to back off, and couldnt use ANY common sense, and had ignored ALL my REPEATED attempts to make him BACK OFF, that I preferred it to be HIM. Im not willing to play the part of sacrificial lamb. I find it very noble that you are. Stupid. but noble. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 09:39:03 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17353; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:39:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22899; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:38:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12057; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as2s30.erols.com [207.172.110.93]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA25088; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:45:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711131445.JAA25088@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "Meier, Christopher" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:40:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: speaking of gas.... Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Squeakers, I'm disappointed. > > I expected a bit more witty repertoire than, repeating "why are you > yelling" 10 times. > > Later, > chris > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Chris? You actually counted? Why? If Id thought that he'd said anything that was worth taking the time to refute, I would have. I didnt, so I didnt. I chose to be tolerant and not flame him. Why do you object? Is reading other peoples "witty repertoire" the way you get your thrills? Damn, man. You need to take up a hobby. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 09:44:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17478; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:44:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23009; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from meretrix.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12273; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:43:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from kiri.meretrix.com (kiri.meretrix.com [207.42.198.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23267; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from kiri.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by kiri.meretrix.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA10897; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:43:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711131443.JAA10897@kiri.meretrix.com> To: "Brian McCoy" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hey Harry... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:45:51 EST." <9711138794.AA879428924@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:43:41 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos >Harry, > >Do you have a motorcycle? Unless it was stolen last night (vehicles have been known to drive themselves away in my neighborhood), there should still be an '87 Kawasaki Concours out on the sidewalk alongside my house. Most of my riding these days is commuting between Baltimore and Landover, I don't have much free time for riding just for fun (work, eat, sleep, repeat as necessary). -harry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 09:45:36 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17509; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23043; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12298; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:44:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA26803 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 06:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCF018.DFA19040@XXXXXX>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:45:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "Meier, Christopher" , "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: speaking of gas.... Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:39:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: Squeakers[SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, November 13, 1997 4:40 AM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; Meier, Christopher >Subject: RE: speaking of gas.... > > >> Squeakers, I'm disappointed. >> >> I expected a bit more witty repertoire than, repeating "why are you >> yelling" 10 times. >> >> Later, >> chris >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > Chris? You actually counted? Why? > > If Id thought that he'd said anything that was worth >taking the time to refute, I would have. I didnt, so I >didnt. > I chose to be tolerant and not flame him. Why do you >object? Is reading other peoples "witty repertoire" the way >you get your thrills? Damn, man. You need to take up a >hobby. > > >Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 09:46:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17526; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23066; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ngedns.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12327; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com ([132.228.123.154]) by ngedns.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA26989 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 06:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by xcgca001.xcg.northgrum.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCF018.FEEBD140@XXXXXX>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:46:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "Meier, Christopher" , "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: speaking of gas.... Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:46:07 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >--------- >From: Squeakers[SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, November 13, 1997 4:40 AM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; Meier, Christopher >Subject: RE: speaking of gas.... > > >> Squeakers, I'm disappointed. >> >> I expected a bit more witty repertoire than, repeating "why are you >> yelling" 10 times. >> >> Later, >> chris >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > Chris? You actually counted? Why? No I didn't ... was it actually 10? Lucky guess :-) > If Id thought that he'd said anything that was worth >taking the time to refute, I would have. I didnt, so I >didnt. OK. > I chose to be tolerant and not flame him. Why do you >object? I didn't object, I just thought you would have socked it to him ... maybe you chose restraint, or maybe you had no reply. >Is reading other peoples "witty repertoire" the way >you get your thrills? Damn, man. Well, yes ... sort of. I mean I enjoy a good debate as much as the next person. >You need to take up a >hobby. Nah ... I got too many hobbies already, one of which does happen to be reading mailing lists. Later, chris PS. the empty reply was an oops. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 09:49:24 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17588; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23132; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12409; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA05704 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:48:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA21509 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:48:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971113144815.BZHK20410@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:48:15 -0600 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:32 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: staying warm and dry X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971113144815.BZHK20410@[166.41.242.141]> Kevin T wrote: >Just went to REI and picked up some goodies, recommended by the year-round >Hawk rider/sales guy there. Wanted a windproof neck thing that isn't a >balaclava. He said the best one is actually part of a hat, a Sequel snow >hat. It's all made of 2 thin layers of fleece sandwiching a thin, stretchy >windproof layer. It's a baseball cap with a velcroed face/neck thing. You >take the neck part off and wear it. It's the only windproof thing he knows >of. I just pulled it up onto my chin, but it can cover up to your cheeks. >$36. I also got goretex/cordura waterproof overmitts. Big mitten shells >that go on over gloves. The Goretex label says they're not waterproof, >just water resistant, but the manufacturer's label says if you seamseal >them, they are fully waterproof. From Outdoor Research, $29. Let us know if any of this stuff actually works, and any problems you have with it. I planned on an REI trip this weekend sometime. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 09:49:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17593; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23136; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12412; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA05719 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:48:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id JAA15796 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971113144818.BZHS20410@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:48:18 -0600 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:43 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Subject: Re: Actual Plans for the Weekend Ride X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971113144818.BZHS20410@[166.41.242.141]> On Thu, 13 Nov 97 09:13:03 "Brian McCoy" wrote: Alrighty folx, I've gotten 15 or so replays to my desire to wanting to go for a ride. Todd volunteered to lead a more relaxed group for those of you who are a little newer to your bikes, motorcycles in general or going out in groups. We've also got Collin and Glenn who are both very accomplished leaders for the more sporty crowd. Michael and Kevin also interjected a route or two that's possible, so it seems that we can have something for everyone. As it stands for time, I think leaving from a meeting point at 10am works well - that allows lots of time to get up and get to where we want to meet - allow the day to warm up a little, we'll still have plenty of time for a ride, lunch and getting home while the sun's up too. As far as I can tell, most people are more VA locals than MD - so Kevin, Mark and myself will have to suffer and travel a bit further to meet up with everyone (not a problem, we all ride Honda V4's!). I think Tysons corner, or something off 66 west would be a good place to take off from (People who are willing to lead, please either correct this, or make suggestions - if 2 groups, and we want to meet for lunch - we need to plan that too). I don't know how most of you ride, or what your chill factor is - but I'm pretty much comfortable in any weather, and almost any conditions when on my bike. If there's only one other person interested, I'll be there to go for a ride. No need for anyone to e-mail 'me too's or 'include me' - I'll post more complete details as I get them (especially about routes, and a firm starting point) from those who are willing to lead. Todd, you'll need a sweeper (right term here? Experienced rider to hang back and watch everyone) if you're still willing to lead - if you can't get anyone, I'll be more than happy to do this. -------- You sent this out about when I sent my last msg.. Yeah, I'm still slower ride captain, and the idea of a 'drag' rider is a good one too. Tysons Corner is fine but a little congested. I like Micheal J.s ride idea. Leave from Tysons and make our way to Harpers Ferry for lunch, and then some more riding :-) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 09:56:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17703; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23425; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from notes.sbd.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12593; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:56:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by notes.sbd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 8525654E.00522708 ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:57:19 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBD From: "Caron Rose" To: georgehowell@XXXXXX cc: klthomas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525654E.00520E89.00@notes.sbd.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:00:17 -0400 Subject: Re: wintry mix Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I said: >Hey - I did my part to keep the winter mild; I got the jeep. So at least >this one isn't my fault! George Howell said: >More proof that it's my fault: I bought a Miata this past summer. (While the bike was in >the shop) HAH! So it *IS* your fault! You bought a little sports car, that is not much more than a heavy sled, in the snow. So that means we're gonna get lots and lots of snow. Same thing happened to me many years back, when I bought an Isuzu Impulse. We had a huge amount of snow, and I was grounded. Even with snow tires, my Impulse was a sled! And to think... I thought it was because I actually got a new bike this past summer.. Whew! I'm off the hook! (grinning) Caron 95 Virago 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 10:00:19 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17819; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23507; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12795; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id JAA20651; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:58:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <346B155F.6DC2EC76@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:57:35 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) References: <199711131437.JAA22567@smtp1.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You still never answered my question did you ask him with words, not body lang to back off?? Squeakers wrote: > > So ... knowing this, you intentionally tried to cut him off? Even > > though you knew he couldn't handle it? > > > > I agree that he was wrong, and ignorant about riding, but that is > > cold-blooded Squeakers. You could have seriously injured him. > > Actually, you could have seriously injured him INTENTIONALLY. > > > > Please post to the list which runs/group rides you will be attending > > next year. Advance notice would be nice. > > > > Thanks, > > chris > > > > Yup. I INTENTIONALLY cut him off. Im not sure which > part of my earlier posts that you're having such a hard > time understanding, so Ill try and keep it VERY simple. > 1) narrow back country road > 2) sharp curve > 3) car comin TOWARDS me > 4) newbie biker NEXT to me that WOULDNT back off > > now... for the reading and understanding impaired... > when you're on one of those kinds of roads, and you're at a > curve and all of a sudden there's a CAR coming AT you AND > you have a BIKE NEXT to you... it comes down to you getting > hit head on by the car OR you moving out of its way. I > chose to NOT get hit head on. Perhaps YOU would have > allowed the car to run over you. Your life, your choice. No > loss. I personally decided that if one of us was gonna die > because of some ignorant newbie rider that REFUSED to back > off, and couldnt use ANY common sense, and had ignored ALL > my REPEATED attempts to make him BACK OFF, that I preferred > it to be HIM. > Im not willing to play the part of sacrificial lamb. I > find it very noble that you are. Stupid. but noble. > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 10:00:29 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17824; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:00:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23514; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12803; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:59:54 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com [162.70.34.51]) id QRdpmp00566; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8525654E.00521948 ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:56:44 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525654E.004DEF7C.00@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:48:36 -0500 Subject: Re: staying warm and dry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=nQq6N4knd6zrreBw3LCYqkZgG7IubLCM0twKBXZb5NQDqkA2fNkh2V9p" --0__=nQq6N4knd6zrreBw3LCYqkZgG7IubLCM0twKBXZb5NQDqkA2fNkh2V9p Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I used to work at the bike (read: bicycle) shop at REI...just wanted to mention that theres a VA location too...on Carlyn Springs Rd. (right at the corner of Carlyn Springs and Rt. 7) in Arlington. They've got plenty o' good winter stuff, and for those who mountainbike, the mechanics and shop techs there are top notch (or at least they were a year and a half ago...haven't been back since I moved to Brooklyn). BTW, I'm coming into this thread a bit late...can anyone recommend a good set of winter gloves (possibly electrics)? The ones I have just aren't making the grade, and I end up warming my hands on the cylinders at red lights :-O -Doug '81 GS 750L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved at AMS-Internet to file: 11/12/97 10:15 PM PIC07292.PCX) To: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: staying warm and dry Hey, y'all-- Just went to REI and picked up some goodies, recommended by the year-round Hawk rider/sales guy there. Wanted a windproof neck thing that isn't a balaclava. He said the best one is actually part of a hat, a Sequel snow hat. It's all made of 2 thin layers of fleece sandwiching a thin, stretchy windproof layer. It's a baseball cap with a velcroed face/neck thing. You take the neck part off and wear it. It's the only windproof thing he knows of. I just pulled it up onto my chin, but it can cover up to your cheeks. $36. I also got goretex/cordura waterproof overmitts. Big mitten shells that go on over gloves. The Goretex label says they're not waterproof, just water resistant, but the manufacturer's label says if you seamseal them, they are fully waterproof. From Outdoor Research, $29. REI is in College Park at Rhode Island Av and Edgewood (I think) Rd. Phone 301-982-9681. If you don't know about REI, as people who are active outdoors, you _need_ to go there. I will get a rebate at the end of the year on all my purchases. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. 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To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "jywon@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:06:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FW: Justin & Squeakers Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01BCEFC6.6D417260.jywon@imisys.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > and I tried to take that into account. But I also don't think that > Squeakers would NOT have reacted so strongly against me if the discourse > had occured in person, say at a cocktail party or a happy hour. Why should > common courtesies be forgone just because you're anonymous and typing > instead of speaking? It's alot easier to slam someone when you don't have > to look them in the eye, isn't it? Really, shouldn't we just treat each > other here the way we would in any other social situtation? Actually Justin, you're wrong about that. Im the same in person as I am on the net. I say the same things and act the same way, and Ill always look you in the eyes while Im doing it. Its strange, but the only time anyone gets offended or irritated with me is HERE, on the NET. Im NO different in PERSON, yet "in the real world", they always just play back. I can get even the most white collared stuffy person to PLAY back. They may not understand me, but they seek me out to say hi to me when they see me again. I guess people get on the net and lose their sense of humor. Not me. > I think it's essential that new listers are initiated gently. Yuo can > catch more flies with a teaspoon of honey than a barrel of vinegar. > I cant initiate gently, Justin. I am what I am. > My apologies to you all. And to you, Squeakers, I'm ready to bury the > hatchet if you are. Oh oh. Bury it WHERE? Remember, Im well armed and have PMS.. so if ya come at me with a hatchet...... I WILL defend myself!!!!!! > > Justin > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 10:10:55 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18078; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:10:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23724; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:10:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13281; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA09086 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:09:46 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711131509.JAA09086@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com> Received: from vna-va8-07.ix.netcom.com(207.223.176.199) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009038; Thu Nov 13 09:09:29 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:09:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Winterizing. Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <346A5507.940878E3@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) There was an earlier thread on this subject. As I recall it was triggered by a question that I interpreted to mean "How do I store my bike for the winter." I didn't recall seeing an answer along those lines (the thread may have ended up dealing with male-bashing or helmets and I stopped reading) so I went looking for a note I'd pulled off another list a while back. For what it is worth: 1) Wash, dry, and wax bike thoroughly. 2) Drain coolant, flush system, add new coolant. 3) Put some gas stabilizer in the tank (available at auto part stores). Also make sure the tank is as full as possible. 4) Ride the bike until warmed up. 5) Change the oil and filter. 6) Lube the chain. (Shafties take a break). 7) Drain the carb fuel bowls (small screws at the bottom) 8) Remove air filter. 9) Remove spark plugs. Inject a small amount of 2-stroke oil into each cylinder. Crank the moter a few times. 10) Replace spark plugs. 11) Replace air filter. 12) Seal the air intakes with duct tape. Mice are very fond of using the airbox as a repository for food and nesting. 13) Remove the battery and put it on a trickle charger in a warm place. 14) Put the bike on the centerstand, jack up the front tire also. 15) Spray some WD40 into the exhaust pipes, this absorbs water and puts a nice oil coating on the insides of the exhaust system. ONLY do this AFTER the pipes are cool to the touch. 16) Seal the ends of the mufflers with plastic bags. 17) Put some silicon preservative on a rag and wipe down all the rubber pieces except for the grips, pegs, and tires. 18) Lube all cables and moving gizmo's like foot pegs, levers, etc. 19) Bleed brakes and clutch. 20) Cover with a breathable cover and let 'er sleep. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 10:15:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18240; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:15:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23824; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13623; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from 204.91.98.131 (pix000010.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.22]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA06060 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:14:28 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9711131016.AA24864@204.91.98.131> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:16:24 -0500 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: staying warm and dry Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline > Kevin T wrote: > >Just went to REI and picked up some goodies, recommended by > >the year-round Hawk rider/sales guy there. Wanted a windproof neck > >thing that isn't a balaclava. Is it best to go to REI or a Bike shop (Coleman or others) for stuff like this, considering the use (riding vs. simple outdoor use) and considering the cost. I don't plan on riding too much in the cold for expensive electrics, but I do want to stay warm this winter on the days I do ride. Thanks, Matt PS: last forecast I saw for Saturday said highs in the higher 30s, with some posssible rain or flakes falling - ll this ride still be on in the rain that day? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 10:20:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18408; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24043; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13934; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as2s30.erols.com [207.172.110.93]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09590; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:26:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711131526.KAA09590@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: squeakers@XXXXXX, jay goddard Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:22:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Priority: normal In-reply-to: <346B155F.6DC2EC76@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > You still never answered my question did you ask him with words, not body > lang to back off?? > ooops. You're right. I didnt. I was exhausted when I got back in last night, and missed that part of your post. WHILE we were riding, I tried words (screaming) AND I would give him body language. I would point at him, and then motion him back. HARD. SHAKING my arm and hand. I also waved my arm like a fool TRYING to motion him BACK. He SAW what I was doing.. but DIDNT UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! After we stopped, I gave him ONLY words, though. As did his friend. LOTS of them. His friend took him aside, then, and explained things a little calmer. When we took off again, I TRIED to be in a group AWAY from him, but you know what?!?!? He quickly pulled in AGAIN right BEHIND me!!!!! My first thought, and my thoughts for the next few miles.. were "oh, god, I gotta get AWAY from him". He, however, had taken my not too polite words, and his friends calm directions to heart, and stayed where he belonged. I was finally able to relax and enjoy the ride. I guess even a man CAN be taught. hehehe ( I know I know. I just HAD to throw that one in) But to answer your question.. he was on a Harley. Words alone would have been useless, because they couldnt have been heard. I gave enough body language so that everyone behind me saw and knew what was happening, and knew what I wanted, EXCEPT the guy DOING it didnt understand. His friend had said to keep tight, so by god he was gonna. Like I said. It scared the hell outta me so much that I still remember it sharply. I dont know what else I could have done to get him away from me, since he was so intent on being there, no matter what I did or screamed. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 10:27:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18637; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24370; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14411; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.82]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA25422; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:26:46 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: staying warm and dry Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:24:12 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971113152645.AAA25422@default> Jeannette- I wore it home last night after buying it. About 36 degrees in my back yard. It worked great. As I mentioned earlier, I also have a fleece neck thing that isn't windproof, which I wore yesterday morning. The new one is _definitely_ the way to go. John still likes his Balaclava better, and mentioned that mine has a little extra bulk where the velcro is, and I agree, but it wasn't uncomfortable. If there is a windproof balaclava (haven't seen one), it'd be better, if you want to wear a balaclava. I don't, and my new thing is great. See ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 10:30:07 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18734; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24453; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:29:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14568; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA04108 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:29:24 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma004080; Thu, 13 Nov 97 10:29:07 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id KAA06187; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879434776; Thu, 13 Nov 97 10:26:19 -0500 Message-Id: <9711138794.AA879434776@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 10:25:39 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re[2]: staying warm and dry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt, As long as one other person is going to show up, I WILL be there - the comforts of an Aerostich, and growing up in Wyoming/Montana (used to COLD days). brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Matt PS: last forecast I saw for Saturday said highs in the higher 30s, with some posssible rain or flakes falling - ll this ride still be on in the rain that day? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 10:30:08 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18738; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24455; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14566; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA04107 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:29:24 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma004077; Thu, 13 Nov 97 10:29:02 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id KAA06183 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879434772; Thu, 13 Nov 97 10:26:14 -0500 Message-Id: <9711138794.AA879434772@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 10:23:59 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: Winterizing. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *snip of list* That's a great list - I didn't even really see anything that was left out, or unnecessary - well, the battery can stay in the bike, tennis balls work great at sealing the exhaust cans, and I guess I don't really follow bleeding the brakes Before putting it away. But then again, I don't believe in winterizing the bike in the first place.. To each their own. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 10:44:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19221; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25049; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15378; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:44:35 -0500 (EST) From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Received: from SMTP (auntie_virus.osc.uscg.mil [10.49.120.11]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA14889; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.uscg.mil ([192.168.49.8]) by 10.49.120.11 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:44:08 0000 (GMT) Received: From InternetGateway by internet.uscg.mil with InterMail (5.4 MIME) Id MSC01-095477@XXXXXX ; 13 Nov 97 10:43:38 EST Message-Id: Subject: lil' of this & li' of that Date: 13 Nov 97 10:40:54 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: cfagan@XXXXXX, etdowns@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow, yet another day with 120+ msgs....my delete finger is getting a cramp:) This is way long....Hopefully if anyone replies they will be humane and do some serious snipping :) CT Moto first: I too am one of the strange ones watching my bikes clock with an interested eye. Kevin, what year is yours?? You need to ride more *grin* My 93, bought new in May 94 is at 28.25K and I hope to get a pic as it rolls past 30k sometime before the end of the year. Not bad considering it only had 6.5k on it when I moved here in July 96 (something to do with being underway on a ship 180+ days/yr and living in the 2nd rainiest city in the country for the rest of the year) Also, it's amazing that the motor has held up so well for all those miles considering that I ride it near the 13.5k red line a good portion of the time. Then again, I've always heard how indestructable Suzuki and Kawasaki motors are. Group riding dynamics can be very interesting (read frightening) sometimes. I too prefer to go out with smaller groups that I know fairly well. It seems that far too often in the past 5-6 months our ride was cut short and I had to go home to get my truck for crash bike duties when I was riding with folks I didn't know. With fairly large groups, I often like the tailgunner position. If someone needs help I can give it...If someone's too squidly (even for me) I'm behind them where they won't run over me, and if I do feel like playing around a little, I can just back off a bit and get some room between me and the group before hitting some nice twisties. That being said, I do have some bad qualities. On many of the CAMS rides, we split into a fast and slow group. On roads I know well, I generally lead the faster group. On a few, I've been following. At least a couple of times I've consciously noticed myself waaay too close to the rider ahead of me. (Sorry Rich DeYoung) But that was only with riders that I knew how they would behave going into turns. We're talkin close enough to feel and smell his exhaust. Then again, when you're behind John Koh's Aprillia, anyone within two miles smells that little two stroke's exhaust :) Another one I'm guilty of is leading the small groups too fast. Large groups, I back off to a reasonable pace and keep a close eye on folks. The rule we usually go by when riding with regulars is this: know your own riding ability and don't exceed it. Whoever's in front won't turn off the current road till all catch up. This has worked really well with guys I've ridden with quite a bit; however, the hwy 211 FJ1200 incident was with a larger group (15 sportbikes) and the Terrible Lizard 1000 incident was a newbie. Winter Riding: It bites, cause I really really hate cold (i.e. anything below 70) but I love riding mroe, so I'm out there year round. I've got all the goodies to make some electric goodies, I've just got to get off my lazy butt and do it. Race Bike: I finally got to go and pick up my race bike and all the associated goodies last night. At least if the weather gets real nasty I can spend all kinds of time tinkering in the garage out back. Unless something major comes up to prevent my dreams, I should be out at Summit Point next season zipping around the track. Hope everyone can come out to cheer for me and Bryan McCoy who will also be racing next year. Hmmmm, this sounds like an opportunity for another DC-Cycles Summit....Plenty of room to camp and throw a heck of a party, then stumble out the next morning to watch some exciting racing. Thoughts?? Wow, the Oklahoma talking disease sure set in today!! (Isn't it nice to see tax dollars at work?!) Non Moto: You go Squeakers. Like you, I generally say what I like. If ya don't like it...tough don't listen... hit delete..whatever. Although, most days I am fairly civilized. As far as complaining about being offended or whatever, GROW UP. At the rate we're going, this litigous society we're creating is going to self destruct. (Or all of us that moved to Montanna will secede:) It's gotten to where "adults" these days sound like kindergartners "Mom, he called me a bad name..boo hoo" I'm not promoting sexism, racism, hatred or anything like that. All I'm saying, is get a little thicker skin and roll with the insignificant stuff. As for squeakers hating men: HA!! That'll never happen. Dominating them maybe. I seem to recall her sayin something along the lines of spiked collars and leashes tied to the bedpost!! Ruff Ruff :) Her jokes were a little dated though. Any newer stuff? As for the high traffic load of junk: It really isn't that hard. Read the subjects, delete the ones you're not interested in. If it's bothering you that the list messages are intermingling with personal messages and you don't want to accidentally delete one, the solution is simple. Use multiple accounts. There are numerous places that offer free e-mail accounts: geocities.com, yahoo.com, rocketmail.com, hotmail.com, and a few more. Sign up for one of them and have all of your list traffic go there. Between me and the wife, we have 1...2...3...ughh too many to count...and that's not counting work. Another solution is to set up filters to key in on the list messages and sort them to folders...I've never tinkered with it, but I hear it's easy. You could have it look for the dc-cycles@XXXXXX string or something like that. What else to talk about....hmmmm....I know there was more, but since I'm at work, I can't peruse my e-mail folders (which are getting into the MB range) Well, ok I can also tell ya all about cruise ships and the recent international laws that went into effect, but that really is waaay to far off list topic...unless...I guess a few of the ones that I'm working on are bick enough to ride a bike along the jogging track!! Take care all....If you've read this far, you reall are sick and need a life! Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 10:48:05 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19267; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:48:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25120; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15473; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.82]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA12072; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:47:26 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: staying warm and dry Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:44:52 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971113154725.AAA12072@default> I've been to all the mc shops near me, and they have a very limited selection of cold weather stuff, and seemingly few people who have used much of it. I really didn't want to special order untried stuff. I wasn't in REI to buy this stuff, but when the guy asked if he could help me find anything, I gave it a shot. I was actually there to see about getting my hiking boots resoled. The Noj brand stuff at mc shops seems promising, but the shops have, at most, one Noj item in stock, and not the ones I might want. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 11:08:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19690; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:08:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25542; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16104; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA09574 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:08:41 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:08:41 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: lil' of this & li' of that Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:08:34 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT >Another one I'm guilty of is leading the small groups too fast. No problem, Collin - you wait at the next intersection for the slower guys to catch up - no sense in wasting a perfectly good set of curves 'caiuse the guy behind is driving the M/C equivalent of a truck (it also gives your adrenals a chance to recharge). Michael Jordan '93 GSX 1100GP '86 SRX-6 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 11:18:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19946; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25656; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16456; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IPYJI9DS688ZEE3H@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:18:47 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:15:11 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:15:11 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:15:13 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: staying warm and dry To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:15:14 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1235ICN2F12K X400-MTS-identifier: [;11511131117991/2108301@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 I've seen the quiet rider stuff at Battley's. I haven't tried any of their stuff (quiet rider, or Battley's for that matter). But it was there on the shelf to look at. Another similar thing (to the quiet rider stuff) I'd like to check out: the company that makes the reflective band to fit around the base of your helmet also makes these with windproof fabric that you can tuck into your jacket. You can check these out at http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbeware/newproducts2.html. I've considered buying one, sight unseen, but haven't gotten stuck in the rain while it's been cold yet this year... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 11:26:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20100; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26111; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from access5.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16621; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jeffp@localhost) by access5.digex.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA06937 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:26:34 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Poretsky Message-Id: <199711131626.LAA06937@access5.digex.net> Subject: bike storage needed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:26:34 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does any kind soul have space for 1 bike in the wheaton ware (+10 mile radius)? Any type of covered storage would be good, renumeration of course. JeffP '82 Yamaha Seca 750 (Desdemona) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 11:55:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20763; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:55:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26893; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17789; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.2]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA3294 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:54:18 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: pat mcgrath Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:51:45 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971113165417.AAA3294@default> Who is Pat McGrath and why do I keep getting "message undeliverable" messages about him? Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 12:25:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21446; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:25:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27318; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18797; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s56.erols.com [207.172.110.56]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29337; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:25:36 -0500 Message-Id: <199711131725.MAA29337@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "dc-cycles" , Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:28:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: pat mcgrath Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19971113165417.AAA3294@default> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Who is Pat McGrath and why do I keep getting "message undeliverable" > messages about him? > > Kevin > dunno. me and chris were wonderin that, too. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 12:27:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21496; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27348; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18856; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:27:43 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com [162.70.34.51]) id QRdpmz25053; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8525654E.00605DDA ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:32:34 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525654E.005F7A2E.00@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:25:16 -0500 Subject: Chaparral (sp?) number anyone?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey! I'm trying to hunt down the number for Chaparral and I can't find it anywhere on the net...does anyone have a catalog of cycle magazine handy? I'm trying to find out the status of an order I placed with them last week...the order I made from Dennis Kirk an hour later arrived 2 days ago... Thanks, -Doug '81 GS 750L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 12:44:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21830; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27814; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19451; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id MAA22993; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:42:24 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D257C21@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Chaparral (sp?) number anyone?? Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:42:31 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain You spelled it right. The number is: 800-841-2960 - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX > [SMTP:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 1997 12:25 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Chaparral (sp?) number anyone?? > > > Hey! > > I'm trying to hunt down the number for Chaparral and I can't find it > anywhere on the net...does anyone have a catalog of cycle magazine > handy? > I'm trying to find out the status of an order I placed with them last > week...the order I made from Dennis Kirk an hour later arrived 2 days > ago... > > Thanks, > -Doug > '81 GS 750L > douglas_brashear@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 12:44:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21893; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:44:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27858; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:44:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19533; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:44:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s56.erols.com [207.172.110.56]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA00880; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:44:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199711131744.MAA00880@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:47:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: lil' of this & li' of that Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: cfagan@XXXXXX, etdowns@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) You mentioned just about everything, but DIDNT tell me what *I* needed to hear. Specifically.. are there any leg protectors that cover your foot and go up just past your knees, but DONT melt to the pipes!!!! AND are pretty? Or at least black? > > You go Squeakers. where? Is that a loaded question? > As for squeakers hating men: HA!! That'll never happen. Dominating them > maybe. I seem to recall her sayin something along the lines of spiked > collars and leashes tied to the bedpost!! Ruff Ruff :) Yup. I think men are wonderful creatures. I love the way they look, sound, smell, taste, act.... just about everything. I was TRYING to think of a good "ugly man" joke to complement the "ugly wimmins" one that was told, but couldnt. Ive just never thought of ANY man as being ugly. They may not be my TYPE, but I never DID see an UGLY one. I had never thought of that before I tried to come up with that joke. Maybe I just havent seen enough of them, huh? I just plain think men are wonderful. I just happen to love to tease them, is all. Must be the "evil troll" in me. (as Ive been called) > Her jokes were a little dated though. Any newer stuff? Aw, come on!! he was a NEWBIE, so I threw a few of my favorites at him. Besides.. I have a cold and I was in a bad mood. I have a list FULL of man jokes that someone put together for me, but I gotta find it. > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 13:07:47 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22391; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28290; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20148; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from notes.sbd.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA31357; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by notes.sbd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 8525654E.0063A307 ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:08:17 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBD From: "Caron Rose" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: squeakers@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525654E.0063417A.00@notes.sbd.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:11:16 -0400 Subject: Short Rider List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Squeakers (and anyone else that's short ), I finally got the address to send your request to subscribe to the 'Short' list. It's a bit slow, right now, but I suspect that if Squeakers signs up, things will liven up . It's a good group of people who talk a lot about issues that short riders (both men and women) have to deal with. There's talk about bikes, clothing, safety, challenges, whatever. It's kinda like this list, only most of us are short. There are members from all over the world, with different riding habits, and different views on riding. The address to subscribe is: sbl-request@XXXXXX They do have a web page, but I have to get it. Caron From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 13:11:39 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22470; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:11:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28305; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:11:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtolympus.ari.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20262; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA19068; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:13:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:13:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Chaparral (sp?) number anyone?? In-Reply-To: <8525654E.005F7A2E.00@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 1-800-841-2960 Brian. bee@XXXXXX '85 VF700C Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 13:23:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22737; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28419; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:23:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20624; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA08052 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:23:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA03039 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:23:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971113182308.DWBD20410@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:23:08 -0600 Message-ID: <346B458C.420DB994@mci.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:23:08 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Gotta read this, Stupid Motorcycle Tricks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The VJMC list I'm on has a thread of 'stupid motorcycle tricks', i.e. dumb things you or someone you know has done with a bike. It has been very entertaining, and this is one of the better ones... Horkster >Subject: Re: (vjmc) Re: Stupid Motorcycle Tricks > > > At least I was a lot luckier than a friend of mine. He decided to >save a bundle by picking up a new Bultaco Sherpa T from the distributor in >Santa Clara, CA, still in the crate and assembling it himself. Assembly >done, he fired it up, only to have the throttle stick open. Thinking >quickly, he reached down and pulled the plug wire, the resulting spark >ignited some gasoline from a weeping petcock, and the whole thing went up in >flames, leaving nothing but the steel bits. >Brad > >Isn't it amazing how many of our stupid tricks involve gasoline and >fire? > >T. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 13:48:44 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23170; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:48:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28669; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21349; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id NAA25825 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:48:35 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma025821; Thu, 13 Nov 97 13:48:34 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id NAA12341 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879446744; Thu, 13 Nov 97 13:45:46 -0500 Message-Id: <9711138794.AA879446744@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 13:44:02 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: lil' of this & li' of that MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually.. yes. I've seen (in real life) boots that will go up to your upper thigh. They are custom made so they always fit. They almost looked like pajama bottoms (the ones with the little feet). I found them on-line somewhere (lycos - search on 'boots motorcycle') Best of luck.. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ You mentioned just about everything, but DIDNT tell me what *I* needed to hear. Specifically.. are there any leg protectors that cover your foot and go up just past your knees, but DONT melt to the pipes!!!! AND are pretty? Or at least black? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 13:55:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23311; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28964; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:55:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21505; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA11096 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:54:42 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711131854.MAA11096@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Received: from vna-va8-07.ix.netcom.com(207.223.176.199) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011076; Thu Nov 13 12:54:09 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:53:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: pat mcgrath Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199711131725.MAA29337@smtp3.erols.com> References: <19971113165417.AAA3294@default> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) > > Who is Pat McGrath and why do I keep getting "message undeliverable" > > messages about him? > > > > Kevin > > > > dunno. me and chris were wonderin that, too. > I assume that he (or she) is signed up for the list using ccmail as his mailer. For some reason -- mailbox full, no longer employed, changed address -- ccmail is unable to process the message. Every time you post a message to dc-cycles, ccmail feels automatically obliged to inform you (not the list in general) that the message you sent to the group can not be delivered to Pat McGrath. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 13:57:45 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23360; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29038; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21590; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh-ppp.clark.net (pooh-ppp.clark.net [168.143.1.54]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA16032 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:57:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971113135624.00882c80@mail.clark.net> X-Sender: pooh@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:56:24 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: speaking of gas.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yeah, really. I think you should give it another try! MET At 08:30 AM 11/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >Squeakers, I'm disappointed. > >I expected a bit more witty repertoire than, repeating "why are you >yelling" 10 times. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 14:13:41 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23908; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:13:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29779; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22589; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh-ppp.clark.net (pooh-ppp.clark.net [168.143.1.54]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA25221 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:13:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971113140724.008836c0@mail.clark.net> X-Sender: pooh@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:07:24 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: staying warm and dry In-Reply-To: <8525654E.004DEF7C.00@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What are you using now? MET >BTW, I'm coming into this thread a bit late...can anyone recommend a good >set of winter gloves (possibly electrics)? The ones I have just aren't >making the grade, and I end up warming my hands on the cylinders at red >lights :-O > >-Doug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 14:21:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24088; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29918; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22794; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15888; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s10.erols.com [207.172.110.10]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03722; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:27:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711131927.OAA03722@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Caron Rose" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:23:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Short Rider List Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <8525654E.0063417A.00@notes.sbd.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Squeakers (and anyone else that's short ), Hey! Im not short! In NORMAL. Its just that OTHER people are too TALL!!! > > > The address to subscribe is: sbl-request@XXXXXX I tried it, but it got kicked back at me. ki.org DOES work for a web page, though. So, it looks like the web page is on ki. org, but to subscribe, it says to send an email to sbl-request@XXXXXX I just tried it, and it hasnt kicked back at me. yet. :) > > They do have a web page, but I have to get it. > > Caron Found it! :) http://www.ki.org/sbl/ Squeakers- not short. Just vertically challenged. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 14:23:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24119; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29933; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:23:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22859; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh-ppp.clark.net (pooh-ppp.clark.net [168.143.1.54]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01599 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:23:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971113142607.0081a690@mail.clark.net> X-Sender: pooh@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:26:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: pat mcgrath In-Reply-To: <199711131854.MAA11096@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> References: <199711131725.MAA29337@smtp3.erols.com> <19971113165417.AAA3294@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The reason it doesn't go to the list in general is that there's no "reply-to" header added by the list hub. Same as when you reply, the default is the (individual) sender, unless you're set up for "reply to all" as default. My $.02 geek contribution. MET At 01:53 PM 11/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >I assume that he (or she) is signed up for the list using ccmail as >his mailer. For some reason -- mailbox full, no longer employed, >changed address -- ccmail is unable to process the message. Every >time you post a message to dc-cycles, ccmail feels >automatically obliged to inform you (not the list in general) that >the message you sent to the group can not be delivered to Pat >McGrath. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 14:26:59 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24189; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29986; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22940; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10503; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s10.erols.com [207.172.110.10]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA05347; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:33:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711131933.OAA05347@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Caron Rose" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:29:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Short Rider List Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <8525654E.0063417A.00@notes.sbd.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > The address to subscribe is: sbl-request@XXXXXX > > Caron Well, Ok. I take it back. Hub just got kicked back at me, too. SOMEONE told them I was coming, right? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 14:30:46 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24280; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:30:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00180; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23076; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:30:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s10.erols.com [207.172.110.10]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA06431 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:37:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711131937.OAA06431@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:33:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: ugly man joke Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19971113135624.00882c80@mail.clark.net> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Ok. I couldnt come up with one of my own, but a fellow dc cycles lister DID, and sent it to me. I WONT reveal his name, cuz I dont want the poor guy to be hounded by taunts of "treason! treason to your gender!". So.. here goes. "That guy is so ugly and hairy, when he goes camping, Bigfoot takes pictures of HIM! Squeakers- hey, I dont write em, I just tell em. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 14:36:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24452; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:36:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00313; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:36:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mm1 by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23349; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-dow ([199.174.146.146]) by mm1.sprynet.com with SMTP id <228086-17431>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:34:29 -0800 From: "Michael Dow" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Time to 'fess up Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:28:58 -0500 Message-ID: <01bcf06a$63714ae0$9292aec7@m-dow> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D6_01BCF040.7A9B42E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01BCF040.7A9B42E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, I'm delurking to 'fess up. 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Hi folks,
 
I'm delurking to 'fess up. Pat = McGrath is my=20 ccmail administrator. I just changed my email name b/c I was getting a = lot of=20 junk mail. I forgot to send a message to Harry to change my status on = the=20 list.
 
I apologize for the = confusion.
 
-Mike
------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01BCF040.7A9B42E0-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 14:59:28 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24888; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01002; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:58:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24166; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20864; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:58:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA05375; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:54:58 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711131954.NAA05375@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> Received: from vna-va7-51.ix.netcom.com(207.223.176.179) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma005354; Thu Nov 13 13:54:29 1997 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: squeakers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:54:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Short Rider List Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199711131933.OAA05347@smtp1.erols.com> References: <8525654E.0063417A.00@notes.sbd.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) > From: "Squeakers" > Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. > > The address to subscribe is: sbl-request@XXXXXX > > > > Caron > Well, Ok. I take it back. Hub just got kicked back at me, > too. SOMEONE told them I was coming, right? > > Squeakers Try this: SHORT: DESCRIPTION: Short bikers' discussion list DIGEST AVAILABLE? Yes ADMIN ADDRESS: sbl-request@XXXXXX OR sbl-d-request@XXXXXX TO SUBSCSRIBE: Body: "subscribe sbl" OR "subscribe sbl-d" LIST OWNER: cat@XXXXXX WWW URL: http://www.calweb.com/~trouble/short/shortindex.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 15:27:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25533; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:27:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01599; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25125; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07989; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (squeakers@XXXXXX [207.172.110.10]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA24663; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:33:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711132033.PAA24663@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, billsch@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:29:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Short Rider List Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199711131954.NAA05375@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> References: <199711131933.OAA05347@smtp1.erols.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Try this: > > SHORT: > DESCRIPTION: Short bikers' discussion list > DIGEST AVAILABLE? Yes > ADMIN ADDRESS: sbl-request@XXXXXX OR sbl-d-request@XXXXXX > TO SUBSCSRIBE: Body: "subscribe sbl" OR "subscribe sbl-d" > LIST OWNER: cat@XXXXXX > WWW URL: > http://www.calweb.com/~trouble/short/shortindex.html > > It doesnt work. I tried that first. I just tried again, for in case maybe it was just down the first time, and I still cant get through. Plus that web page directs you to the new web address. The new address says to use the hub.org address to subscribe, but THAT got kicked back at me too. Im lost now. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 15:52:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26171; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:52:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01832; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25795; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:49:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.165]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA19605 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:48:38 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: short riders list Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:46:04 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971113204837.AAA19605@default> There is no Short Riders list! It's a Tall Riders conspiracy to aggravate all the short riders!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 15:52:58 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26172; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:52:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01844; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25842; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:51:13 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com [162.70.34.51]) id QQdpnn02680; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8525654E.00730358 ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:56:14 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525654E.0071CD86.00@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:49:05 -0500 Subject: Re: staying warm and dry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=kjWJngu6acrGhCQkfuDsZ2RahOX6Vxgs6B7h4ENDuUQK11QMBXB9czDQ" --0__=kjWJngu6acrGhCQkfuDsZ2RahOX6Vxgs6B7h4ENDuUQK11QMBXB9czDQ Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark wrote: > What are you using now? Nothing special...some thick leather gauntlet gloves with Thinsulate...but now that they're really broken in they don't seem to keep my hands as warm. They came with rain covers, which when used as windbreakers do help a bit...maybe I should get a set of thicker over-mitts (like someone else mentioned) for the time being...if I go for electrics I want to get the vest too, and for the ones I researched, you had to specify whether you wanted the gloves to be able to connect to the vest (sounds better to me...fewer wires to get tangled in), or straight to the battery. -Doug '81 GS 750L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX PS - thanks to everyone who responded with the Chaparral number...called only to be disappointed...they're only shipping my oirder today :-( (and knowing mail order places, that probably means tomorrow if I'm lucky).... (Embedded image moved "Mark E. Truelove" at to file: AMS-Internet PIC01690.PCX) 11/13/97 02:27 PM To: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@ccmail cc: Douglas Brashear Subject: Re: staying warm and dry What are you using now? MET >BTW, I'm coming into this thread a bit late...can anyone recommend a good >set of winter gloves (possibly electrics)? The ones I have just aren't >making the grade, and I end up warming my hands on the cylinders at red >lights :-O > >-Doug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. 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To: "dc-cycles" , Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:03:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: short riders list Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19971113204837.AAA19605@default> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > There is no Short Riders list! It's a Tall Riders conspiracy to aggravate > all the short riders!!! > > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > ! > I BELIEVE it!!!!! Tall people are indeed a strange buncha folks. Lack of oxygen, right? Right? huh? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 16:03:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26403; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02145; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26213; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:03:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06802; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:03:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id QAA09621 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:03:07 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma009594; Thu, 13 Nov 97 16:02:53 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id QAA16080; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879454803; Thu, 13 Nov 97 16:00:04 -0500 Message-Id: <9711138794.AA879454803@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 15:57:17 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re[2]: Short Rider List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's all just over your head my dear.. ;) Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Short Rider List Author: at smtplink-micros Date: 11/13/97 3:29 PM > Try this: > > SHORT: > DESCRIPTION: Short bikers' discussion list > DIGEST AVAILABLE? Yes > ADMIN ADDRESS: sbl-request@XXXXXX OR sbl-d-request@XXXXXX > TO SUBSCSRIBE: Body: "subscribe sbl" OR "subscribe sbl-d" > LIST OWNER: cat@XXXXXX > WWW URL: > http://www.calweb.com/~trouble/short/shortindex.html > > It doesnt work. I tried that first. I just tried again, for in case maybe it was just down the first time, and I still cant get through. Plus that web page directs you to the new web address. The new address says to use the hub.org address to subscribe, but THAT got kicked back at me too. Im lost now. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 16:11:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26601; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02455; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26578; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from notes.sbd.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05088; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by notes.sbd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 8525654E.0074726E ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:11:54 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBD From: "Caron Rose" To: squeakers@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, billsch@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525654E.0074AD7B.00@notes.sbd.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:14:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Short Rider List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm strange.. I will check on this and get back to you. Sorry about that! Caron squeakers@XXXXXX on 11/13/97 10:29:35 AM Please respond to squeakers@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, billsch@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Caron Rose/Solutions By Design/US) Subject: Re: Short Rider List > Try this: > > SHORT: > DESCRIPTION: Short bikers' discussion list > DIGEST AVAILABLE? Yes > ADMIN ADDRESS: sbl-request@XXXXXX OR sbl-d-request@XXXXXX > TO SUBSCSRIBE: Body: "subscribe sbl" OR "subscribe sbl-d" > LIST OWNER: cat@XXXXXX > WWW URL: > http://www.calweb.com/~trouble/short/shortindex.html > > It doesnt work. I tried that first. I just tried again, for in case maybe it was just down the first time, and I still cant get through. Plus that web page directs you to the new web address. The new address says to use the hub.org address to subscribe, but THAT got kicked back at me too. Im lost now. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 16:11:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26609; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02467; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26595; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA30713; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s10.erols.com [207.172.110.10]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA09773; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:18:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711132118.QAA09773@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: , "Brian McCoy" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:14:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Re[2]: Short Rider List Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <9711138794.AA879454803@smtplink.micros.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > It's all just over your head my dear.. ;) > > Brian > > You're a brave fellow, Brian McCoy. I may be only 4 ft 11 3/4 inches, but its almost 5 full feet of spit and fire when Im riled. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Squeakers Ok. So i finally gave in and went ahead and emailed the list person and asked for her help. I HATE asking for help. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 16:14:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26666; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02534; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26703; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ph@localhost) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA31209 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:19:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:19:54 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Home of the Short Bikers In-Reply-To: <8525654E.0071CD86.00@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0__=kjWJngu6acrGhCQkfuDsZ2RahOX6Vxgs6B7h4ENDuUQK11QMBXB9czDQ" Content-ID: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@XXXXXX for more info. --0__=kjWJngu6acrGhCQkfuDsZ2RahOX6Vxgs6B7h4ENDuUQK11QMBXB9czDQ Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-ID: Hmmm... Slow day at work... I found: http://www.ki.org/sbl/ Which has a link to a list... -ph --0__=kjWJngu6acrGhCQkfuDsZ2RahOX6Vxgs6B7h4ENDuUQK11QMBXB9czDQ-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 16:27:31 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26954; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:27:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03055; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27132; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:27:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id QAA11868 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:27:10 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma011826; Thu, 13 Nov 97 16:26:54 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id QAA16772; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879455385; Thu, 13 Nov 97 16:24:05 -0500 Message-Id: <9711138794.AA879455385@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 16:09:40 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: , Subject: Re: short riders list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, Sorry to disappoint you - but you ARE a short rider (to me at least). >:> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: short riders list Author: at smtplink-micros Date: 11/13/97 3:46 PM There is no Short Riders list! It's a Tall Riders conspiracy to aggravate all the short riders!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 16:28:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26967; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03171; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27181; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:28:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06681; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:28:15 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 8525654E.0075FC7B ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:28:43 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: squeakers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525654E.0075BF7F.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:28:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Short Rider List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Ok. So i finally gave in and went ahead and emailed the list person and asked for her help. I HATE asking for help. But Squeakers, not asking for help is a male trait. ;-) Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 16:41:20 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27386; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:41:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03573; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:39:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27636; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03720; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA13163 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid04.mcit.com [166.37.221.16]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA14053 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:39:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid04.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971113213906.FJQL20410@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:39:06 -0600 Message-ID: <346B7379.2046C049@mci.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:39:06 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Short Rider List References: <199711132118.QAA09773@smtp1.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is that 4 ft 11 3/4 inches with or without those spikey high heels you told us about? If it's with, damn, woman, you are short... = ;-} (evil grin) Horkster Squeakers pulled a stool over to the keyboard, reached up and typed: > > It's all just over your head my dear.. ;) > > > > Brian > > > > > > You're a brave fellow, Brian McCoy. I may be only 4 ft 11 > 3/4 inches, but its almost 5 full feet of spit and fire > when Im riled. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 17:27:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28590; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04634; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29264; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id RAA01451 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid03.mcit.com [166.37.221.15]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA00438 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:26:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971113222618.FCEA22406@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:26:18 -0600 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:24 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Short people got..... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19971113222618.FCEA22406@[166.41.242.141]> *Squeakers, et al, * *It took a little effort (Ha!) but here is what I found out for you *shorties out there. * *The Short Biker List is administered via majordomo. A quick cast for *lists at the server site tells us this is so: >>>> lists majordomo@XXXXXX serves the following lists: dwlist sbl tor-sage Toronto SAGE mailing list Use the 'info ' command to get more information about a specific list. >>>> *Firing off an info request returned: >>>> info sbl Welcom to the Short Bikers List. To post to the list, send email to: sbl@XXXXXX Administrivia goes to: cat@XXXXXX The web pages is at: http://www.calweb.com/~trouble/short/shortindex.html ...please let us welcome you properly by posting a bit of a bio to the list! cheers! cat >>>> *The administrator seems to be cat@XXXXXX. The following subscribe *should work, but if it doesn't send something to CAT. This information *was acquired by sending a 'help' command to majordomo@XXXXXX *The host hugin.uunet.ca is where sbl resides: II. SUBSCRIBING TO A LIST Once you've determined that you wish to subscribe to one or more lists on this system, you can send commands to Majordomo to have it add you to the list, so you can begin receiving mailings. To receive list mail at the address from which you're sending your mail, simply say "subscribe" followed by the list's name: subscribe sbl in the mail message body. No need for subject line. *Hope this works! Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Black Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 17:28:12 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28613; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04647; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29296; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02058; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers (frd-as1s10.erols.com [207.172.110.10]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA04828; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:34:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711132234.RAA04828@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:30:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Short Rider List Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <346B7379.2046C049@mci.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Is that 4 ft 11 3/4 inches with or without those spikey high heels you > told us about? > > If it's with, damn, woman, you are short... = ;-} (evil grin) > > Horkster Nope. Its without. When I have on my black spiked boots, Im OVER 5 feet! So pphhlltt! Only I cant ride in the spiked boots. I have to wear clodhopper heeled boots in order to ride, cuz my feet are a little short and I have to have my heels up ON the gear shifter in order for my toes to be able to reach the thing that you push up and down to change gears. You know what I mean. Cant do that with spiked heels. They slip down, then I cant change gears. Toes wont reach. > Squeakers pulled a stool over to the keyboard, reached up and typed: > I forgot about the short jokes.. I get wimmins jokes, dumb blonde jokes AND short jokes... Im gonna have to think up some good ridin mens ones.. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 17:35:56 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28770; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04712; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin79.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29545; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:35:42 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin79.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA23369; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:35:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:35:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971113173438_259138669@mrin79> To: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Montana seceding from the union Ha! Made you look! Sir' << At the rate we're going, this litigous society we're creating is going to self destruct. (Or all of us that moved to Montanna will secede:) >> There is not a small amount of opinion on the midwest seceding within 50 years. Glad I'll be dead by then, I quess. I'd need to buy a new flag to fly on the porch. A rebel one. My yankee ancestors would roll over in their battlefield graves. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 17:48:50 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28999; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04834; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29887; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id RAA08753 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA20715 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:47:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971113224759.FEBG20978@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:47:59 -0600 Message-ID: <346B839E.4EB093AC@mci.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:47:58 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: jokes References: <199711132234.RAA04828@smtp1.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since we have been amply warned by the list's resident H-D dominatrix-mistress, does anyone know any short dumb blonde female biker jokes? :-) With the El Nino effect, it could be a loooooonnnnnnng winter this year. We all know what that means....we're in for an electronic hell. Better stock up now, like firewood, cuz I think we're gonna need 'em all! Horkster > > Squeakers pulled a stool over to the keyboard, reached up and typed: > > > > I forgot about the short jokes.. I get wimmins > jokes, dumb blonde jokes AND short jokes... > Im gonna have to think up some good ridin mens ones.. > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 18:11:35 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29619; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05115; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00967; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:11:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from rothp ([198.27.17.48]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 377 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:11:12 -0500 Sender: arottier@XXXXXX Message-ID: <346B8916.71D@lmmail.hst.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:11:18 -0800 From: Amy Rottier X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.07 9000/777) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: jokes References: <199711132234.RAA04828@smtp1.erols.com> <346B839E.4EB093AC@mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about the one where the dumb blonde rode her bike to work, left the key in "park" instead of "lock" and therefore ran down her battery. So, she tried to start it by popping the clutch. She tried and tried and tried by walking it while on it, even found a stranger to help push - no dice. So, finally her husband drives the long drive out after a long day at his work, and promptly turns the engine stop lever back to "on". Well, not quite a joke. Dumb blonde female biker (but not exactly short), yes, but it sure wasn't funny at the time... ;) Amy '92 Taurus SHO MTX '83 Honda Shadow VT500 '70 Opel GT Dale Horstman wrote: > > Since we have been amply warned by the list's resident H-D > dominatrix-mistress, > does anyone know any short dumb blonde female biker jokes? :-) With the El > Nino > effect, it could be a loooooonnnnnnng winter this year. We all know what > that > means....we're in for an electronic hell. > > Better stock up now, like firewood, cuz I think we're gonna need 'em all! > > Horkster > > > > Squeakers pulled a stool over to the keyboard, reached up and typed: > > > > > > > I forgot about the short jokes.. I get wimmins > > jokes, dumb blonde jokes AND short jokes... > > Im gonna have to think up some good ridin mens ones.. > > > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 23:08:57 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03978; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:08:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08309; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:08:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06592; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.129] (unverified [205.177.250.129]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:11:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Explicit Directions for Weekend Ride Needed Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 23:08:25 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Whenever routes get set, I'll need a very complete list of directions from the DC beltway to the jumping off point. I'm not at all familiar with the western side of the beltway (and not much more on the eastern side:) TIA, ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 13 23:59:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04499; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:59:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09398; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07365; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12124; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:58:55 -0500 (EST) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09179; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:58:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:58:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711140458.XAA09179@clark.net> To: MEIERCH@XXXXXX, jywon@XXXXXX, squeakers@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hacker@XXXXXX From: "Meier, Christopher" Subject: RE: Group Riding (was RE: Weather permitting, weekend ride?) Tell a man to do something, change your mind (the meaning of what you said) and then berate him for it. Yup, sounds like a woman ... :-) Ha! If you're lucky. It's more likely... "Expect the man to read your mind. When he doesn't, you read his and berate him for what he's thinking." - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 00:12:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05110; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:12:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10296; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07630; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.55]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA11772 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 05:12:10 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: short ride on Sunday? Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:09:36 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971114051208.AAA11772@default> Hey, y'all-- Was there support for a shorter ride on Sunday? I suddenly can't make it Saturday, and that kills most of my free time for the weekend, but if somebody wants to go out for just a couple of hours on Sunday, that might be cool. later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 00:13:34 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05119; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10313; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07651; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18045; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:13:25 -0500 (EST) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA16241; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:13:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:13:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711140513.AAA16241@clark.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, klthomas@XXXXXX Subject: Re: staying warm and dry Hey Kevin. Thanks for the REI stuff info. Does REI (or anyone else) sell some kind of winter gear for winter riding? Like a rainsuit made for somewhat colder than just rain weather? Oh yeah, Leon Begeman wears a snowmobile suit or something. Cheap and warm I think he said. I'd be interested in hearing what everyone wears to keep warm on the bike. Yawwwwwnnnn.... gotta go. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 00:47:49 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05548; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10658; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08152; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.55]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA7591; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 05:47:05 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Dark Hacker" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: staying warm and dry Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:44:17 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971114054652.AAA7591@default> hacker-- I don't know if snowmobile suits or Aerostitches or similar suits are fully waterproof. I have a Motoport Goretex rain suit, and if anybody makes a fully waterproof cold weather suit, it'd be them. Of course, my suit was $240 and it's just a shell, so you can expect to pay big bucks. But with that suit, my new overmitts, Tourmaster Elite 2 gloves, Totes boots, Oregon Trail jacket and BMW leather pants, I figure I'm ready for anything. Patagonia expedition weight long underwear, too. Haven't worn the Motoport in any real rain on the bike yet. Wore the jacket to walk around in the rain, but that doesn't say much. But anyway, I like the layered method so I don't have a $700 'stitch laying around for the 3 times a year I ride in the rain. I've got a flexible wardrobe.... Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 07:46:18 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA09189; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA13498; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:45:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03405; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id HAA22710; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:44:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <346C475F.8C5920F7@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:43:12 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "\"Michael R. Cecchini\"" , "cbxturbo@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , Erich Lorenz , "Griff, David" , "Haffen2@XXXXXX" , "Lisa@XXXXXX" Subject: I am weak Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did something today I did not think I would have to do till at least December. Today... I drove a car to work. The driveway was slick, I just could not do it. How many of you where riding before 7am? If I waited an hour I would have been fine. The best part of the trip in... it felt great to try and hope to slid around. In this weather the old cage (72 BMW 2002tii) drives better sideways than it does straight. It felt odd looking for parking I got this job in April and it is the first time I have driven here. Do any of you think less of me? Jay Warm dry 94 ZX9R with 28k in 26 months Cold wet 72 BMW 2002tii with 2.5k in 14 months From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 07:57:11 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA09254; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:57:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA13586; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03487; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05984 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 04:56:28 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 04:56:28 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: I am weak Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 04:56:21 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 12 TEXT >Today... I drove a car to work. >Do any of you think less of me? Naah - almost all of us use the "rain bike" from time to time... Besides, a 2002 is cool - not like you were driving an ovloV... Michael Jordan '86 Voyager '93 GSX 1100GP >'86 SRX-6 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 08:39:38 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09592; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:39:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13800; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04069; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA25325 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:39:30 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma025287; Fri, 14 Nov 97 08:39:10 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA00456 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:39:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879514580; Fri, 14 Nov 97 08:36:20 -0500 Message-Id: <9711148795.AA879514580@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 97 08:35:41 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: Re[2]: staying warm and dry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, The 'Stitch is hardly waterproof - and it wouldn't 'lay around' if you had it. It's probably the equivalent of leathers for street riding - and since buying mine, and crashing in it - I don't think I'll ever feel 'comfortable' without it again. It's not warm in cold weather (it does help a little though), it leaks in heavy rain, it's a bit toasty when sitting in traffic in the summer (what isn't?) - it provides full body coverage for abrasion and impact, it's more practical for commuting to work than leathers, etc... Yes, the 'Stitch has faults, but it's not a bad thing either. It's a little expensive, but remember the old saying about the $10 helmet for the $10 head... I still layer BTW, but that's more for warmth (at this time of year). Maybe with the addition of electrics (I need the numbers for Widder and Gerbring (SP?) so I can get catalogues) I'll layer a little less. Hrmm.. I'm testy this morning... brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ But anyway, I like the layered method so I don't have a $700 'stitch laying around for the 3 times a year I ride in the rain. I've got a flexible wardrobe.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 09:02:43 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09866; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14085; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00638; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id JAA27790 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:02:31 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma027787; Fri, 14 Nov 97 09:02:28 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id JAA00796 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA879515976; Fri, 14 Nov 97 08:59:37 -0500 Message-Id: <9711148795.AA879515976@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 97 08:57:27 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Saturday Ride. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alrighty then.. News this morning (rain bike) slated 40's and cloudy tomorrow - it'll probably still be a little wet from today, but we should be fine. People seem to be finding other things to do rather quickly, so I'd like to see who's still interested. Depending on the people the people, we're either going to do one group at a slower pace (for those who are new to groups and bikes) - or if there are enough people, 2 groups - one fast, one slow. Todd, seeing as you volunteered, I'm going to depend on you a little - I'm sure you know of a good route, or we can use one of Collins, or Glenns, or anyones.. But that should be more-or-less decided on today. Because I'm putting you in the position of choosing the route, you can choose the start place too (for the most part, it looks like a lot of people are down your direction already). Hrmm.. I can't think of much else on that matter.. For those of you who haven't done colder rides, I have a little bit of advice (common sense) - Dress VERY warm, the wind takes its toll after awhile. Dress in layers, it helps trap more air which is what holds onto the heat in the first place. Make sure every part of skin is covered with something - anything. And a junk washcloth is probably a good thing to bring too - in case there is water on the road, your screen/helmet visor will get smeared - and that makes riding less enjoyable. I'm assuming that someone's going to have a cell phone, and some emergency tools (I tend to carry some stuff) - not that we'll need any of that. I guess I'll be hearing from those who are still interested - might be worth your time to include if you want to go fast or slow (Collin need not reply :P ).. and, weeeellll...... hrm. nothing I guess. ride safe.. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 09:36:51 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10318; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14290; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01394; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA26313; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:34:22 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D257C3A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend Ride Weather... Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:34:29 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain now they're saying "chance of sprinkles" & 45-50 degrees tomorrow. I'd say that's doable for me!! Come to think of it, that's positively tropical. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 09:54:33 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10573; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:54:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14380; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin86.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01852; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:53:19 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin86.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA27135 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:52:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:52:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971114095242_360097823@mrin86.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: staying warm and dry << Hey Kevin. Thanks for the REI stuff info. Does REI (or anyone else) sell some kind of winter gear for winter riding? Like a rainsuit made for somewhat colder than just rain weather? Oh yeah, Leon Begeman wears a snowmobile suit or something. Cheap and warm I think he said. I'd be interested in hearing what everyone wears to keep warm on the bike. Yawwwwwnnnn.... gotta go. - Hacker >> Motoport and Tucker/Rocky distribute waterproff winter suits in the $130-150 price range. Tucker/Rocky sells only through m/c shops, Motoport also, but can be ordered direct. The T/R suit's brand name is Spartan, Motoport manufactures their own. If that seems out of your price range, think of it as a long term investment. In my opinion, the only time you feel pain at the purchase of something that is worth the $ is the day you buy it. After that, you're glad you did. Unless you used your credit card. I personaly wear a Tour Rider "Early Warning" (reflects brightly at night) two piece suit, that is waterproof except at the seams (which you seal). It's no longer available, I believe, and retailed for about $230 10 years ago. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 10:02:42 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10718; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14521; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:02:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02144; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ph@localhost) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03002; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:06:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:06:28 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: Brian McCoy cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride. In-Reply-To: <9711148795.AA879515976@smtplink.micros.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm... I'm still interested, though there is a chance I'll be obligated otherwise. I'm located in Falls Church, VA, FWIW. I'm curious as to how one decides whether one should join the "fast" or "slow" group. I'm no rocketeer, but I have been known to enjoy twisties somewhat above the posted "suggested speed" I like a pace that minimizes hard braking and goes for smooth flow, not being in a hurry to be anywhere in particular. That might suggest slow, but I also don't want all of my excitement to come from being tailgated by a decrepit pickup truck either... So, does fast mean "as fast as possible", or more like "often at or above posted speeds"? Does slow mean "about the speed limit, maybe a bit faster sometimes", or does slow mean "never above the posted speed"? I ride an 800cc cruiser (Suzuki Maruauder -- definitely not a crotch rocket) and have roughly 9K under my belt, if that illuminates. Cheers! Pete. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 10:07:06 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10812; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:07:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14570; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02270; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IPZV26K3UO8ZEMSE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:58:39 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:54:08 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:54:08 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:54:12 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: staying warm and dry To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:54:12 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1425ICO25555 X400-MTS-identifier: [;80459041117991/2111784@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Like a rainsuit made for somewhat colder than just rain weather? Oh yeah, >Leon Begeman wears a snowmobile suit or something. Cheap and warm I >think he said. Snowmobile suits are indeed cheap and warm. They usually have full length leg zippers so you don't have take your boots off to put them on. Probably NOT waterproof though (mine isn't). I wonder how much good the wash-in waterproofing works (as opposed to the spray on). At $10 a wash (enough for a jacket only) I haven't tried it out yet. Today's rain may inspire me to try it as my water resistant jacket is soaked. >I'd be interested in hearing what everyone wears to keep warm on the bike. Here's my list: - fleece neck gaitor - BMW (Widder) electric vest (carry an extra switchcord) - Motoport Canyon jacket with liner zipped in and another jacket between the liner and the shell (I'm a wuss) - Aerostich Roadcrafter pants (retire the jacket when temps get below 50dF or so as it is too breathable) - Motoport Miami boots - big loose fitting work boots when it gets real cold (I don't do anything special, sock-wise) - summer weight gloves until it breaks 20dF or so when thinsulate gloves come out - Polar Hands (similar to the old Hippo Hands) - regular work clothes - if I want to ride all day I'll add the snowmobile suit (generally retired since the electric vest purchase) That pretty much covers it. I ride a Hawk GT with a small fairing. You'll need less gear if you've got a barn door fairing, of course. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 10:15:40 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10972; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14822; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02480; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:15:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.129] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.129]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPZ8C1W0LS91XGK7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:07:32 EST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:07:36 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: staying warm and dry To: Kirk Roy , DC Cycles Message-id: <01IPZ8C9GRAA91XGK7@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Another similar thing (to the quiet rider stuff) I'd like to check out: the >company that makes the reflective band to fit around the base of your >helmet also makes these with windproof fabric that you can tuck into your >jacket. Are you referring to a helmet halo? I hop this 'windproof fabric' works better than the Halo. The reflectivity is great, but I stretched it to fit over my helmet. Removed it and replaced it twice, and now the reflective and stretchy parts have permanently separated:( I guess I could have left it on the helmet, but it was blinding my girlfriend in daylight when she rode pillion:) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 10:16:01 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10988; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14844; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:15:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin86.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02504; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:15:54 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR@XXXXXX Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin86.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA07578 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:15:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:15:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971114101523_540836133@mrin86.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: jokes, dumb stuff I've done << How about the one where the dumb blonde rode her bike to work, left the key in "park" instead of "lock" and therefore ran down her battery. So, she tried to start it by popping the clutch. She tried and tried and tried by walking it while on it, even found a stranger to help push - no dice. So, finally her husband drives the long drive out after a long day at his work, and promptly turns the engine stop lever back to "on". Well, not quite a joke. Dumb blonde female biker (but not exactly short), yes, but it sure wasn't funny at the time.. >> One of the my dumbest stunts was the time I was 1/2 hour from home running errands on the bike. I walk out of store to bike; can't find my key (I always keep the bike key on separate fob). I search the parking lot, myself, and the store. No key. I call the wife to bring me the spare key. She's doing daycare, so shows up 1 hour later with mini-van and 6 screaming daycare kids and not in a good mood. She gives me the spare, I crank up the bike, put helmet on and quess what? The key slipped into the liner of my helmet. So I says to myself, do I take helmet off and let her see me remove key, or ride away with key digging into my skull? She wouldn't leave until she sees me ride away, and then follows me. I think I still have a dent in my skull from that key. Richard Wood blond male From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 10:23:53 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11303; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15127; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02699; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.129] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.129]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPZ8C1W0LS91XGK7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:07:29 EST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:07:33 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Actual Plans for the Weekend Ride To: Todd Peer , DC Cycles Message-id: <01IPZ8C79GCS91XGK7@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Tysons Corner is fine but a little congested. I like Micheal J.s ride >idea. Leave from Tysons and make our way to Harpers Ferry for lunch, >and then some more riding :-) You guys really want me to put in a big day, don't you? I think I've got to ride 80-90 miles to get to Tysons... See you there (if my girlfriend lets me;) -George ghowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 10:24:54 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11437; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15154; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from bos1c.delphi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02749; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [205.177.250.129] ("port 2048"@[205.177.250.129]) by delphi.com (PMDF V5.1-8 #23839) with SMTP id <01IPZ8C1W0LS91XGK7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:07:26 EST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:07:30 -0500 From: George Howell Subject: Re: Winterizing. To: billsch@XXXXXX, "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <01IPZ8C4YEDI91XGK7@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >6) Lube the chain. (Shafties take a break). Not entirely. We gotta make sure the U-joints are full (and not full of water) and you may as well check the gear oil to make sure it is full. I think it's 'belties' (is that a word?) should take a break. Still, not as difficult as lubing a chain. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 10:26:17 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11458; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15178; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02780; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ph@localhost) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03145; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:30:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:30:03 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: Kirk Roy cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: staying warm and dry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm... I picked up my snowmobile suit at a surplus store. Works great. Not waterproof, but it was inexpensive, at least compared to my gore-tex rain shell... -ph From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 10:48:23 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12003; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15629; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03557; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:48:08 -0500 (EST) From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Received: from SMTP (auntie_virus.osc.uscg.mil [10.49.120.11]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA18706 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.uscg.mil ([192.168.49.8]) by 10.49.120.11 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:47:56 0000 (GMT) Received: From InternetGateway by internet.uscg.mil with InterMail (5.4 MIME) Id MSC01-095568@XXXXXX ; 14 Nov 97 10:47:17 EST Message-Id: Subject: Saturday ride route? Date: 14 Nov 97 10:46:08 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone may have already posted a decent route, but hey, I'm at work and can't check those kinda things, so how bout this: Meet at the new burger king in Sterling just off route 7 (It's on the right hand side of the road in the shooping center just west of NOVA). 7 west to 28 south. West on waxpool road. left on ?? can't remember the name, but it goes through brambledon. merge into evergreen mill (i think) which goes into the back side of Leesburgh. through town down to the high school, head out 690 to hamilton left on 7 business through town over 2 miles to purcelville. left on 732? (left at 7-11) south. turn right at end of road onto ??, take first left south again down to snickersville turnpike. Left on snickersville. left on 50 (east), left on 15 (north), left onto 704 back into hamilton, right on business 7 turning back into 690 which brings us right back into Leesburgh. All said, that should be rouhly 120 miles or so. I apologize for not knowing all the road names off the top of my head. My ride sheets page has em listed, but since we're not on PC's here at work, I can't look at it to get the numbers. Brian, I've taken you down most of these roads before, so you should recognize a few spots. Since it's that crappy time of year where the pavement is cold and sand, leaves and all kinds of other crap (round hay bales last year...that was real close) I have no intention of leading a fast group. I'm even offering a spot for pillion if its a smaller person (i.e. less than 160lbs...anything much over 300lbs total doesn't set well with the gixer). So it should be comfortable even for the inexperienced. Most of the back roads are single file type anyway, so it makes for a little mroe breathing room in the group. Whadya think? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 10:50:21 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12053; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15643; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03604; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.81]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA22760; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:49:43 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "George Howell" , "Kirk Roy" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: staying warm and dry Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:47:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971114154941.AAA22760@default> George-- Your Halo failure may have been a fluke. I've had a few of them and that hasn't happened. They do stretch out eventually and won't stay on, but that takes a couple of years. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 14 10:58:25 1997 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12218; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15732; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03772; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12