From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 1 08:34:50 1995 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: NJ-Cycles Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 08:29:00 EST Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >does anyone on the net have the address to this group? tnx. John: The list admin address is listproc@XXXXXX, leave the subject blank and in the body type "subscribe nj-cyles". I think that will do it. If not the list owner is a nice guy named Ravi at . If you have web access he has a bunch of pages that will have info on them. Hope this helps. Bill McLoone, GS-450TXz From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 1 09:58:46 1995 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 06:58:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: Re: Snow Driving In-reply-to: <199511010101.UAA22496@umbc9.umbc.edu> To: "Mr. Kosmas Pentakalos" Cc: Frank George , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Mr. Kosmas Pentakalos wrote: > The French amd the Italians are pretty good on long distance > motorcycle rallies, like Paris Dakar. What do they know about > the dessert? I hear they make a pretty mean Cheesecake! Justin 92 Yamaha XJ600SD (Seca II) From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 1 10:11:10 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:11:07 -0500 (EST) From: Marasco Newton Group To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Snow Driving In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Justin V. Laubach wrote: > > > On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Mr. Kosmas Pentakalos wrote: > > > The French amd the Italians are pretty good on long distance > > motorcycle rallies, like Paris Dakar. What do they know about > > the dessert? > > I hear they make a pretty mean Cheesecake! I heard it was baklava or was it balaclava? Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." CB-1, RZ350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 1 10:39:24 1995 From: "Bartlett, Mark" To: "Cycles, DC" Subject: Re: Snow Driving Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 10:39:00 est Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >> The French amd the Italians are pretty good on long distance >> motorcycle rallies, like Paris Dakar. What do they know about >> the dessert? >I hear they make a pretty mean Cheesecake! >Justin Nice one Justin. We all know they don't make Baklava. But lets not start this one again!!! MarkB From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 1 10:44:22 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:44:09 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman X-Sender: morris@geni34 To: Marasco Newton Group Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Snow Driving In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can you send me the recipe for the balaclava cheesecake cookies? I think they might do well to keep me warm. On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Marasco Newton Group wrote: > > > On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Justin V. Laubach wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Mr. Kosmas Pentakalos wrote: > > > > > The French amd the Italians are pretty good on long distance > > > motorcycle rallies, like Paris Dakar. What do they know about > > > the dessert? > > > > I hear they make a pretty mean Cheesecake! > > I heard it was baklava or was it balaclava? > > > Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX > "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." > CB-1, RZ350 > > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, morris@XXXXXX, http://lamp0.arl.mil:8080/~morris MSB, PFD, WTD, ARL <-- Obviously a Government Employee Yamaha XJ550M [Yorick] (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- "Let's remember that there is only one nature - the division into science and engineering... is a human imposition, not a natural one. Indeed, the division is a human failure; it reflects our limited capacity to comprehend the whole." - Bill Wulf From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 1 15:14:06 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 15:13:14 EST From: bed@XXXXXX (Bryan E. Dudash) To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Unsubscribe Unsubscribe me, if you please. -- Bryan Dudash, Engineer | Email: bed@XXXXXX Allied Signal Aerospace | Fax: (410) 992-5813 9140 Old Annapolis Rd | Voice: (410) 964-5045 Columbia MD 21045 | "I thought you'd say that." From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 1 19:55:39 1995 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 19:00:52 -0500 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Attn Hawg333@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Organization: Hughes-On-The-Beltway Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hey, dude... Your mail keeps bouncing. What the hell are you doing at an AOL address anyway? -- ******************************************************************************** Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 Hughes Information Technology Company Landover, MD Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 3 18:53:01 1995 From: "skip farmer" Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 18:58:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.0S.1026 26oct93 MediaMail) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Caution! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Just a little note: This afternoon at about 3pm I watched someone go over their handlebars and skid on the wet pavement on 495. I helped him out and he is OK. This thing really shook me up so I thought I'd send this Email: Please remember the bridge spans on 495 often have bridge expansion gaps...a bike tire will fit in them. This guys tire slipped in and he couldn't get his tire out on the wet metal. He didn't even know what happened. Also, he had on full leather and good helmet and walked away. I don't have full leather but I am saving up for them now! This guy came two truck tires awy from being road kill! I found out about those bridge gaps when I also almost bit bridge a couple of years ago so I just thought I'd send warning out to everyone b/c these things are not well marked. Years ago they didn't even have signs for them. Safe Riding! Skip, GS 450 From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 3 22:17:35 1995 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 22:17:29 -0500 (EST) From: Michael James Lester To: dc-cycles cc: balt-cycles , philly-cycles Subject: a planner tells all MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 3 October 1995 Hello. I'm a planning student at the University of Maryland and I ride a Honda CB750K4. I thought you all might be interested in something I learned in my transportation class this week. How many times have you pulled up to a light, late at night, just sitting there, waiting...waiting...wondering if you should just run it yet also pissed off that the light hasn't noticed your presence? How many of you have been nabbed by zealous peace officers who don't believe that you waited for a long time before he spotted you running the light? Here's the scoop: these lights are "actuated." This means that the light keeps one direction of the intersection green continuously until someone pulls up to the intersection on the side-street. Sensors under the pavement detect the vehicle and trip the computer to bring up a green light. You then lawfully proceed. You can make out the sensors in the pavement as two long grooved rectangles about as long as a typical car. In these grooves are wires that give off an electromagnetic field. When a car or truck pulls up it disturbs the field, setting off the computer (usually in a metal box at one of the street corners). The problem with bikes are that they don't have enough metal structure to sufficiently disturb the field - cars and trucks do. Hypothetically the sensors work for bikes but they get paved over and become less sensitive. I think this is bunk: if they were made less sensitive then they would become more likely to trip as they were paved over - a bicycle might eventually set it off. I'm not sure what you can do about the law enforcement types pulling you over, but at least you've got a good story. I wouldn't recommend dismounting to walk over and push the crosswalk button as has been suggested elsewhere (it's illegal to abandon a vehicle in the middle of a roadway). I suggest turning right-on-red, then make a u-turn and proceed (or just say fuck it and run the light). When it comes to transportation planning, I'm afraid we are at best an after-thought. Michael Lester SOHC4 #104 Urban Studies University of Maryland From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 3 22:59:43 1995 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 22:59:42 -0500 From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mjl@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a planner tells all Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, philly-cycles@XXXXXX Michael James Lester writes: > Here's the scoop: these lights are "actuated." This means that > the light keeps one direction of the intersection green continuously > until someone pulls up to the intersection on the side-street. ... Many lights work on a time clock during daylight/rush periods, giving one direction "x" seconds of green and the other "y" seconds of green, regardless of whether traffic is present. During night/off-peak hours they go to "demand" as noted above. Left turn lanes are usually "demand" at all times. > You can make out the sensors in the pavement as two long grooved > rectangles about as long as a typical car. In these grooves are wires > that give off an electromagnetic field. When a car or truck pulls up it > disturbs the field, setting off the computer (usually in a metal box at > one of the street corners). The problem with bikes are that they don't > have enough metal structure to sufficiently disturb the field - cars and > trucks do. Pull your bike up as close to the lines as possible, inside one of the boxes. Put your front wheel close to a corner and the axis of your bike along the side line. Each box forms an inductive loop, and it is most sensitive inside of and close to the perimeter of the loop. Others have commented about putting down the sidestand and sweeping it across the loop, but even with its close proximity to the loop I can't see it being enough extra metal to push you over the top in most cases. > Hypothetically the sensors work for bikes but they get paved > over and become less sensitive. I think this is bunk: if they were made > less sensitive then they would become more likely to trip as they were > paved over - a bicycle might eventually set it off. Paving will indeed make it less sensitive. More asphalt means more gunk for the field to penetrate before it can see your vehicle, and some amount of energy will be lost in trying to penetrate the extra material. This makes it "less sensitive," meaning it takes more metal to sufficiently perturb the weakened field to where the circuit will note the change. This can be adjusted in the control box. If it could pick up the presence of a bicycle, this would make it "more" sensitive. If you have a troublesome box that won't notice your bike, call the DOT and ask to have its calibration checked. Note the date(s) and time(s). If you have to run the light later and get popped for it, hopefully you can subpoena maintenance records for the light showing your (and maybe other's) complaints about the "malfunctioning traffic control device." It could be very useful if no repairs were made after the complaints. Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt, leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! AMA, ICOA, Lemans, KTC, DoD #224 | I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" HON: 82 CBX, 79 CX500C, 76 CJ360 |________--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" SUZ: 82 GS850G, 76 RE5, 2-75 RE5 KAW: 72 H2 "More bikes than brains!" From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 4 00:10:34 1995 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Thomas Piergallini Date: Sat, 4 Nov 95 00:16:09 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a planner tells all Run the light. the judge will let you off. if he fines you, appeal. I have found this to be an issue only when it is dark out, and would not recomend running the light during day hours. If the cop gives you a ticket at 3 in the morning for running a light after looking both ways, then there is only one option: hunt down his family and eliminate them. pierre From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 4 07:44:46 1995 From: KRoy@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 4 Nov 95 7:43:12 EST X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: Subject: re: A planner tells all X-Incognito-SN: 239 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.01a ENCRYPTED=NO >over and become less sensitive. I think this is bunk: if they were made >less sensitive then they would become more likely to trip as they were >paved over - a bicycle might eventually set it off. Actually, you CAN set these off with a bicycle. You just have to know where to be on the road. Why shouldn't bicycles set them off? They're vehicles too and required to wait through the light like everyone else. Oops, soapbox mode off... One thing to try is to pull up about 10" from the sensor (assuming you can tell where it is). Then, lean the bike over the sensor. This presents a bigger image to the sensor and will often trip one that's insufficiently sensitive (this may work for bikes with and without internal combustion engines :) ). From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 4 10:23:32 1995 From: "skip farmer" Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 10:28:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: "David O'Neill" "Re: Caution!" (Nov 3, 11:56pm) X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.0S.1026 26oct93 MediaMail) To: "David O'Neill" Subject: Re: Caution! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 On Nov 3, 11:56pm, David O'Neill wrote: > Subject: Re: Caution! > Skip- > I too ride a GS450 ('80), along with a couple of other bikes... Where > are the ditches on 495? > Dave These "ditches" are two long metal strips that are placed on overpasses or bridges, I believe as expansion gaps, for when there are temperature changes and the like on the bridge. A large number of these gaps are on 495 between Wisconsin ave. and the 495/95N split. (this the way I ride to work each day). But they are all around the beltway!! They are on both the inner and outer loop. On a few of them there are signs on the side of the road that show a motorcycle on the top a black line and then underneth is a warning about a gap in the road. I have generally found that the gaps are in lanes 2 or 3 of the 4 lanes on 495 on the bridge. Skip, '87 GS 450 -- ------------------------ Skip Farmer Silicon Graphics Chesapeake Region 12200-G Plum Orchard Dr. Silver Spring, MD 20904 (301) 572-3292 Email: skip@XXXXXX (301) 572-3280 Fax Email Pager: skip_p@XXXXXX ------------------------ From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 5 20:58:00 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:56:33 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: hacker@XXXXXX (Dark Hacker) Subject: Re: a planner tells all >> You can make out the sensors in the pavement as two long grooved >> rectangles about as long as a typical car. In these grooves are wires >> that give off an electromagnetic field. When a car or truck pulls up it >> disturbs the field, setting off the computer (usually in a metal box at >> one of the street corners). The problem with bikes are that they don't >> have enough metal structure to sufficiently disturb the field - cars and >> trucks do. Wear big Frankenstein boots packed with solid steel in the heels and soles. Should activate the loop and when kudos at the local biker bar. :-) - Hacker - Hacker "There's always room for ego" =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ORGANIZATION: Fortress Of Computation EMAIL: hacker@XXXXXX NEXTMAIL: hacker@XXXXXX WWW: HTTP://www.computation.com/pub/hacker/ TWISTED DIABOLICAL LAUGHTER: BWWAH HA HA HA HAA HA HA HA HA!!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 6 07:57:11 1995 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 07:55:56 -0400 To: "skip farmer" From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: Re: Caution! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Just a little note: > >This afternoon at about 3pm I watched someone go over their handlebars and skid >on the wet pavement on 495. I helped him out and he is OK. > >This thing really shook me up so I thought I'd send this Email: > > >Please remember the bridge spans on 495 often have bridge expansion gaps...a >bike tire will fit in them. This guys tire slipped in and he couldn't get his >tire out on the wet metal. He didn't even know what happened. > >Also, he had on full leather and good helmet and walked away. I don't have full >leather but I am saving up for them now! A just got a one-piece Aerostich and highly recommend it. At ~$650 it is only a little more than the cheapest leather suits and since they now have hard-shell armor, it probably protects as well or better than all but the most expensive ($1000+) road-race suits. There is a back protector available, too. (I don't have this, yet.) It has several other advantages over leathers including weather-proofness (kept me dry last Friday in the rain) and the ability to wear your street clothes and insulating layers underneath. I also got a Widder vest gloves and rode all weekend (20's at 6am Saturday morning) in relative comfort. >I found out about those bridge gaps when I also almost bit bridge a couple of >years ago so I just thought I'd send warning out to everyone b/c these things >are not well marked. Years ago they didn't even have signs for them. Where exactly are they? David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 6 11:26:30 1995 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 11:26:30 -0400 To: pierre@XXXXXX From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: Re: a planner tells all Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >If the cop gives you a ticket at 3 in the morning for running a >light after looking both ways, then there is only one option: >hunt down his family and eliminate them. While that may be satisfying, it won't pay for your ticket. Better yet, have your kid steal his kid's lunch money until the fine is paid (or your grandmother steal his grandmother's social security check). If you still don't have a nice feeling about it, eliminate them. David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 6 11:29:56 1995 Date: Mon, 06 Nov 95 09:00:39 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Re: a planner tells all [traffic light sensors in road, "boxes"] >If you have a troublesome box that won't notice your bike, call the DOT >and ask to have its calibration checked. Note the date(s) and time(s). >If you have to run the light later and get popped for it, hopefully you >can subpoena maintenance records for the light showing your (and maybe >other's) complaints about the "malfunctioning traffic control device." >It could be very useful if no repairs were made after the complaints. If you find one that won't work, try the other side of the box. I usually stop on the left-most edge of the rectangle. If that doesn't trip the traffic light, then try the other edge of the rectangle. I hear that the center line of the rectangle never works. I think some intersections require more than one car waiting before the light will change, in which case your one bike will wait for a while. Best to avoid those intersections, if you can. Chris Norloff BTW: stopping on the line can have a danger, too. I was far enough over to the left once, stopping on the edge of the rectangle, that when the light turned green a yuppie lady passed me on the right, in my lane! .... grrrrrrr ... rhymes with witch ... From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 6 17:36:05 1995 Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 17:36:01 -0500 (EST) From: Marasco Newton Group To: DC CYCLIST Subject: Winter wear MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, I'm absolutely sickened by the thought of not riding for most of the winter so I'm in the market for winter wear. I would like to hear your suggestions for brand names and places from which to purchase them, not just general suggestions. I have been looking in Motoport's and Chaparral's catalogs and most of their stuff is priced in my range but I don't have any experience with their products. Their "Husky" winter one-piece suit sounds pretty good for the money: $129 for quilted thermal lining, PVC-lined waterproof shell, pockets, leg zippers, plus other stuff. Anybody have one or something better for a comparable price? Motoport and Chaparral have "winter" gloves for under $60 (my limit) that look and sound decent. I'd prefer leather gloves, but more importantly I want something that is very warm and has a good sized gauntlet with adjustment straps. Any reviews? Does anybody make a well-insulated winter sport boot? I can't find any in the catalogs I'm looking in. I want something warm, tall, waterproof, yet not so bulky that it is difficult to shift AND for under $150. I'm open to non-motorcycle-intended brands that fill the requirements. Ideas? Of course, I'll be buying the latest in face warmers, the baklava-flavored balaclava. I need to figure how to mount the espresso machine on the back though. If I wear the balaclava should I still get one of those neoprene attachments for the bottom of the helmet that tucks into your jacket to keep air from blowing up into the helmet? Fog city shield. Does it work? Style matters, although it isn't the most important factor. I'm admittedly too style-conscious to wear duck boots when on my sport bike, although I'm not willing to freeze my protrusions off in the name of style either. Any other accessories I should consider? I have this image of looking like "Bip the Michelin Man" while wearing all this stuff. Thanks, Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." CB-1, RZ350 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 6 21:24:33 1995 Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:01:36 -0500 (EST) From: "David O'Neill" To: Marasco Newton Group Cc: DC CYCLIST Subject: Re: Winter wear In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Speaking of winter wear, has anybody tried those motocross hand/protector debris deflectors to use as hand fairings to keep the wind off, and the hands somewhat warmer? Dave From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 7 08:09:54 1995 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 08:09:39 -0400 To: Marasco Newton Group From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: Re: Winter wear Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Fog city shield. Does it work? Amazingly well. You won't believe it. Just make sure you very thoroughly clean the inside of your shield before attaching. Mine came off after two seasons but I'd buy a new one every month (in the winter, of course) if I had to. >Style matters, although it isn't the most important factor. I'm >admittedly too style-conscious to wear duck boots when on my sport bike, >although I'm not willing to freeze my protrusions off in the name of style >either. Any other accessories I should consider? I have this image of >looking like "Bip the Michelin Man" while wearing all this stuff. If you get an elctric vest and gloves, it'll cut way down on the number of layers you have to wear. I bought a 'Stich, but a cheap rain suit will be almost as warm. I wear all-leather hiking boots, but would like something taller and more sensitive. I'm considering the Fieldsheer Ranger or Alpin- stars Circus Gore-tex boots which are both supposed to be waterproof, but not insulated. Anyone tried these? David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 7 08:20:41 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Nov 95 08:19:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX, Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter wear Take it from someone who's ridden in all kinds of winter weather, in everything from plastic trash bags and newspapers (poor college kid, and they didn't work worth a damn) to snowmobile suits, to special winter riding gear behind full fairings and hippo hands. They key to staying warm in the winter is: Electricity! I don't care how much you spend on gloves, vests, suits, Greek desserts, or cups of hot coffee (unless poured *inside* that fancy riding suit). Nothing will keep you as warm as a pair of electric gloves and an electric vest. I'm partial to Widder, but I have a friend who swears by the Eclipse vest (but I don't think they make gloves). There are other brands out there as well. I know, they're not cheap, but neither is frostbite. My .$02 worth. Bob From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 7 08:28:15 1995 From: Matt Bennett Subject: Lidar in use in PG To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 08:19:43 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1055 I realize this may be old news, but on my trip home from work yesterday, I came across a speed trap, no big deal, traffic was heavy and I had no hope of going the speed limit at that point anyway. What pissed me off was the big s**t eating grin the cop had as he pointed the lidar gun at my face, and tracked me as I went by, within about 10 feet. I guess I was kinda incredulous and didn't quite realize the high intensity infrared light source being pointed at me, and I stared back at him. This revenue agent was so damn excited about his little toy, it just made me fume. Hopefully my dirty BMW didn't give him a good return. I guess it's time to work on a lidar jammer :) BTW: This speed trap was a regular one, but the first time I had seen it enforced with lidar. PG County Cops, On Cherry Hill Road between Powder Mill Road and 95, shooting traffic coming from Powder Mill Road, just beyond the curve, not down at the bottom of the hill. 30 mph zone, right before a 35 mph zone. Matt Bennett mjb@XXXXXX http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 7 09:45:43 1995 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 95 9:46:22 EST X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Frank George" Subject: re:Lidar in use in PG ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Sent by:Matt Bennett What pissed me off was the big s**t eating grin the cop had as he pointed the lidar gun at my face, and tracked me as I went by, within about 10 feet. I guess I was kinda incredulous and didn't quite realize the high intensity infrared light source being pointed at me, and I stared back at him. This revenue agent was so damn excited about his little toy, it just made me fume. Hopefully my dirty BMW didn't give him a good return. I guess it's time to work on a lidar jammer :) ===================================================================== Two questions. 1. Does the laser present any health dangers? (he did point it at your face) I seem to remember all of the scary messages regarding UPC scanners in grocery stores. 2. Would a flat black paint job reduce the return? (realizing that would create a visibility problem with the cages) Frank fegeorge@XXXXXX fgeorge@XXXXXX Reynolds Metals Company / Corporate Engineering "opinions are mine, ... address is my company's" From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 7 10:01:16 1995 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 95 09:59:19 EST From: W.Michael DiTullio@XXXXXX To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter wear Organization: Loral FSC News-Software: UReply 3.1 In a previous message, you wrote: >From: DC CYCLIST >Subject: Winter wear >Message-ID: >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > >Hi all, > >I'm absolutely sickened by the thought of not riding for most of the >winter so I'm in the market for winter wear. I would like to hear your >suggestions for brand names and places from which to purchase them, not >just general suggestions. > Go with electric stuff. Every year I kept buying heavier and warmer winter gloves and still got cold fingers. This year I broke down and bought electrics. Mail-order, Widder electric gloves cost me $80 and an electric vest with high heated collar and thermostat was 128. Best investment I ever made. Eclipse also makes similar stuff for similar money. Gerber makes electric everything. Suits, jacket liners, pants, gloves and on and on. For boots I'd go with any good leather street or moto boot that is big enough for you to fit good insulated socks into. Good socks are fine for short rides. If you plan on being on the bike for a long time ad a couple of those chemical heating pads to your toes - under $2.00. On the balaclava, try one out with your helmet first. My helmet fits jus right, so by the time I add a balaclava, it's too tight. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have | |ditullio@XXXXXX |thousands of them to donate...ask me. | |spazman@XXXXXX | Atlantic City, NJ | | | 87 VW-GTI, 89 Hawk-GT, 95 ST1100 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 7 10:15:33 1995 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: Winter wear Date: Tue, 07 Nov 95 09:52:00 EST Encoding: 74 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Bryndyn asked: >I'm absolutely sickened by the thought of not riding for most of the >winter so I'm in the market for winter wear. I would like to hear your >suggestions for brand names and places from which to purchase them, not >just general suggestions. I don't have experience with the products you mentioned but I have recently picked up some wet/cold weather riding gear and have been pretty pleased with it. I got a Teknic (I forget the model) 2 piece suit at Cycles USA on Georgia Ave. It is moderately insulated, waterproof (although I did get a little damp and I'm not sure if water was getting in or I was just sweaty), windproof, and scotchlight accented. I got a jacket large enough to go over my leather jacket and I layered under my shirt and pants for extra insulation. So far I have ridden about 900 miles since 10/26, on an open bike, in the suit and encountered temps. as low as the mid 30's, at night, and lots of rain. The suit has performed very well for me and was on sale when I got it which was a double treat. I spent $50 for the pants and $80 for the jacket, sounds like it's in your range. All my riding with the above gear has been enjoyable and the only area that got cold where my hands and feet. I did wear electric socks one night and I stayed warm all around but the socks are a pain in the neck to use. Speaking of electrics I know many people who swear by widder vest and the like. If you plan to do a lot of winter riding you may want to check them out. I am putting good winter gloves on my Christmas list so I don't have a good solution yet. I wear combat boots when I ride and in the rain my feet got soaked and cold. I know of people who just slip their dogs in a plastic bag before putting their boots on and they stay nice and dry. Next rain, I'm going to step out in my grocery bags. >Of course, I'll be buying the latest in face warmers, the baklava-flavored >balaclava. I need to figure how to mount the espresso machine on the back >though. If I wear the balaclava should I still get one of those neoprene >attachments for the bottom of the helmet that tucks into your jacket to >keep air from blowing up into the helmet? All of my riding is on an open bike and I haven't yet used either of these items. I found that the collar on my teknic jacket is high and protects the neck nicely. With helmet vents closed I wasn't chilly, but then it is not February yet and I have also added both the above items to my Christmas list. I will say that my jacket collar does dig in a little if not adjusted well. It's corduroy lined but if it's not flush to the skin, the corner of the flap irritates the neck. >Fog city shield. Does it work? I liked mine a lot for both days I used it. Be very careful installing it and cleaning it. I had left a moderate sized air pocket in mine (due to the curverature of the shield) and when I cleaned it I pressed to hard and broke the glue seal, latter that day it was falling out. In fairness, I didn't install it as well as I could have and I was riding in the rain with my visor cracked so wind and moisture where eating away at the glue all day. I have since learned that some packing tape around the edge helps keep it in. It distorts vision a little but it is not distracting. When I have time I will probably re-install it in my shield. Again many people swear by this product. Also be aware I put mine in a shoei RF-200 and they do not recommend it for use in shoie helmets. >I have this image of >looking like "Bip the Michelin Man" while wearing all this stuff. Get some gear and you'll feel like it too. Just try everything on before you buy if you can. I initially had trouble turning my head because my shoulders where layered too high. My jacket as since broken in a little and it is no longer a problem for me. Just be aware of it, I first rode with my gear to Philly and night and wasn't comfortable with my reduced head turning ability. Hope this helps, let us know what you get and how you like it. Bill McLoone, GS-450TXz, (1/2 an XS-1100H) From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 7 10:19:38 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:18:14 -0500 To: "Frank George" , From: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Subject: re:Lidar in use in PG At 9:46 11/7/95, Frank George wrote: > >2. Would a flat black paint job reduce the return? (realizing that would >create a visibility problem with the cages) > My understanding is that black paint does reduce the return with conventional radar; I don't know how it affects lidar. A friend of mine bought a black Honda Civic Si hatchback from a guy who removed the shiny metal "H" logo from the hood, as well as the front license plate. The guy said he always drove 70 on the highway, no matter what the speed limit was, right past speed traps without slowing down. He said that in the 3 years he owned the car he only got 1 speeding ticket, and he was convinced the cop was targetting another vehicle. So it seems that in addition to the paint, one critical factor is the number of reflective metal surfaces that would more directly return the pulse to the gun. The F-117-series aircraft (Stealth) are designed with a lot of "jagged" joints in the construction, to diffuse radar pulses in many different directions, the effect of which is a lousy return to the source. -Sash Cheers, -Sash ___________________________________________________________________ Michael A. Dow AMA# 403971 | HRCA Member | DoD# 1808 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = '94 Honda VF750C Magna ("Thanks, but it's not a Harley") in Yellow! "I don't wanna pickle /I just wanna ride on my motorsickle" -Arlo ___________________________________________________________________ "Love is a matter of chemistry; sex is a matter of physics." From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 7 11:01:03 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 08:01:53 PST Subject: Re: Winter wear Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > taller and more sensitive. I'm considering the Fieldsheer Ranger or Alpin- > stars Circus Gore-tex boots which are both supposed to be waterproof, but not > insulated. Anyone tried these? I have a pair of Alpinstar boots and am not pleased with their wear. Stitching came out and the sole wore down in a year. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 7 11:03:19 1995 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 11:02:35 -0500 X-Sender: syswsb@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Marasco Newton Group , DC CYCLIST From: syswsb@XXXXXX (Bill Bernstein) Subject: Re: Winter wear At 17:36 11/6/95 -0500, Marasco Newton Group wrote: > > I would like to hear your >suggestions for brand names and places from which to purchase them, not >just general suggestions. > FWIW, I've found some really neat cold weather stuff this year (after years of trying to "get by" without specialized gear. I wear a 2 piece Aerostitch. When its cold, I add the fleece jacket that Riderwearhouse sells to go with their "Darien" jacket. Its warm, reversible, and can be worn as an outer jacket when you're not riding. It also folds into its own zippered pocket, so when not in use, its about a 7X9 inch pillow. Riderwearhouse also sells a fleece bandana, velcro closure, that makes a WORLD of difference keeping your neck warm. I've been using the Fog City with a Shoe Zforce helmet, but until last week, wasn't impressed with its anti-fog capabilities. Then I realized it wasn't my shield that was fogging, it was my glasses! Got some anti-fog liquid at the local drug store, treated my glasses, and had a wonderful ride in to work yesterday morning at 26 degrees...NO fogging. I also learned years ago that whatever you're wearing is MUCH warmer when covered with a good rain suit to keep out the wind. Bill Bernstein '95 Black Daytona 1200 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 7 15:30:40 1995 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 95 15:41:26 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Wanted: room or house (off topic) Hope you don't mind an off-topic subject, but I'm looking for a room to rent or a house to sit, and who better to ask than my fellow riders? Wanted: room to rent or house to sit. I'm between houses now, having taken a job in DC. I'm looking for a room or a house for one to four months while I search for and buy another house. Very flexible on possible arrangements. Non-smoker. Have two adult well-behaved cats. Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX days (202)863-2680 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 8 01:01:35 1995 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 07:58:13 GMT+200 From: FABIAN SMITH To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Organization: National Accelerator Center X-Mailer: WinPMail v1.0 (R1) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal unsubscribe dc-cycles From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 8 09:48:18 1995 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 95 09:59:01 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Fog City Fog Shield [was: winter wear] >>Fog city shield. Does it work? [...] >and cleaning it. I had left a moderate sized air pocket in mine (due to the >curverature of the shield) and when I cleaned it I pressed to hard and broke >the glue seal, latter that day it was falling out. In fairness, I didn't >install it as well as I could have and I was riding in the rain with my >visor cracked so wind and moisture where eating away at the glue all day. I >have since learned that some packing tape around the edge helps keep it in. > It distorts vision a little but it is not distracting. When I have time I >will probably re-install it in my shield. Again many people swear by this >product. Also be aware I put mine in a shoei RF-200 and they do not >recommend it for use in shoie helmets. I'm surprised at the problems I've heard about Fog City Face Shields -- mine have been trouble-free on a Marushin helmet and a Shoei Duotec (flip-front). I *very* carefully cleaned, polished, and again cleaned my faceshield (using alcohol the last time to get *all* finger oil off it). I installed the fog shield from the center of the faceshield out to the edges, pressing the adhesive strip with my fingernails. With the faceshield lying 'face-down' on a table-cloth, this was the easiest way I found to ensure I could install it. I checked it several times that evening, then rode with it the next day. No problems in rain (with visor opened a crack), in sub-freezing temperatures, and on 100 deg. days. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 8 11:48:17 1995 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fog City Fog Shield [was: winter wear] In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 08 Nov 95 09:59:01 -0500. <9511081448.AA1190@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 95 11:41:37 -0500 From: Phil Kester On Wed, 08 Nov 95 09:59:01 EST cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm surprised at the problems I've heard about Fog City Face Shields -- mine > have been trouble-free on a Marushin helmet and a Shoei Duotec (flip-front). [...snip] > No problems in rain (with visor opened a crack), in sub-freezing > temperatures, and on 100 deg. days. Goes for me too. I've had no problems with mine in over one year on an Arai Signet. Phil Kester From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 8 12:37:11 1995 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 95 12:34:57 EST From: W.Michael DiTullio@XXXXXX To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fog City Fog Shield [was: winter wear] Organization: Loral FSC News-Software: UReply 3.1 In a related note, a dealer told me Fog City plans on releasing a new Shoei specific version. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have | |ditullio@XXXXXX |thousands of them to donate...ask me. | |spazman@XXXXXX | Atlantic City, NJ | | | 87 VW-GTI, 89 Hawk-GT, 95 ST1100 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 8 13:47:31 1995 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 10:47:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: Insurance To: DC Cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT How is insurance in this area? I bought a bike last summer and I live in Fairfax, VA. I am 19 with a clean record and a standard bike. I want liability and comp, all 12 mos. Any recommendations? from, Justin V. Laubach (JLaubach@XXXXXX) 92 Yamaha XJ600SD From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 8 14:54:57 1995 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:54:48 -0500 (EST) From: The Mad God cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Insurance In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, Justin V. Laubach wrote: > How is insurance in this area? I bought a bike last summer and I live in > Fairfax, VA. > I am 19 with a clean record and a standard bike. I want liability and > comp, all 12 mos. > Any recommendations? > Well I have state farm insurance.. They will only do a bike (and when I say A bike I mean only one.. ugh) if you have a cage with them also.. With my GS500ep (93) I paid 270 a year... full coverage.. I now have a Ducati 900sscr and I pay 450.. full.. The 600 should be somewhere between there.. 1100cc and above is much more Scot Kight - 95 Ducati 900sscr From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 8 15:32:18 1995 From: Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 8 Nov 95 15:21:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >How is insurance in this area? I bought a bike last summer and I live in >Fairfax, VA. >I am 19 with a clean record and a standard bike. I want liability and >comp, all 12 mos. >Any recommendations? Start Saving. Liability in DC for a 12 yr old 1100 is 600.00. I am 33, have passed the MFS course and have more than a year of riding experience and a clean record. ******************************************************************************* * Tom Hormuth | '83 Honda Magna V65 VF1100C * * tom_hormuth@XXXXXX | '83 Yamaha Virago 500 * * Just another hyperactive cage rattler looking for a curve. * ******************************************************************************* From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 8 16:37:07 1995 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:36:50 -0500 (EST) From: Marasco Newton Group To: The Mad God cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Insurance In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, The Mad God wrote: > On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, Justin V. Laubach wrote: > > > How is insurance in this area? I bought a bike last summer and I live in > > Fairfax, VA. > > I am 19 with a clean record and a standard bike. I want liability and > > comp, all 12 mos. > > Any recommendations? > > > > Well I have state farm insurance.. They will only do a bike (and when I > say A bike I mean only one.. ugh) if you have a cage with them also.. I have State Farm for my cage and BOTH my bikes. Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." CB-1, RZ350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 8 16:41:47 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:41:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Subject: Re: I started riding when I was about 19. For comprehensive coverage (liability, collision, and property damage) on a Nighthawk 250 in Maryland, I was paying $630 with a company called Penninsula. I switched to Progressive, turned 21, and started paying $430. Then I got my current bike, a '94 Magna 750, with comprehensive through GEICO, and I'm paying about $439. I'm 24 now, I've completed both the beginner and experienced rider courses, and I haven't had a ticket for anything since 1990. Hope that's useful! KTSSU, -Sash > >How is insurance in this area? I bought a bike last summer and I live in > >Fairfax, VA. > >I am 19 with a clean record and a standard bike. I want liability and >>comp, > all 12 mos. > >Any recommendations? > > Start Saving. Liability in DC for a 12 yr old 1100 is 600.00. I am 33, have > passed the MFS course and have more than a year of riding experience and a > clean record. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 8 17:32:18 1995 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 95 17:33:37 EST From: payter@XXXXXX (Payter Versteegen) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance I'm almost 28, have an 80 Honda CB650C, and pay $102/year *minimum* insurance with Dairyland. The carrier(?) is Beltway Insurance, near Beltsville (I-495 and MD212, I think). MSF Beginners helped, but got no extra credit for the Advanced. No financing means no comprehensive insurance! :) L8r, P8r. payter@XXXXXX =;) From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 8 18:47:13 1995 From: Michael G Majzel To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Insurance Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 18:45:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, The Mad God wrote: > On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, Justin V. Laubach wrote: > > > How is insurance in this area? I bought a bike last summer and I live in > > Fairfax, VA. > > I am 19 with a clean record and a standard bike. I want liability and > > comp, all 12 mos. > > Any recommendations? > > Hi Guys, I moved into the District about a year ago from Arlington VA. I switched my residence with my State Farm agent and low and behold, my insurance went down by about $100 each on both of my cycles. I have two bikes and no car at the present time. The Kaw '95 ZX-9R runs about $265 per year full coverage. The Yamaha '88 Venture Royle runs about $205 per year full coverage. I am 41, never had a ticket or accident and been with State Farm for years. Mike --------------------------------------------------------------- mmajzel@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 8 21:26:25 1995 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 21:28:15 -0500 (EST) From: "David O'Neill" To: Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <9511081531.21813.AA@occshost.nlm.nih.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII WOW! I'm 28, I live in a shitty part of Arlington CO, and my '93 ZX-11D is only $480/yr for FULL coverage and $250 deductible. Sounds like you're getting the pointy end of that one! I think the ZX-11 even falls into the "high-performance" category, but I'm not sure. Dave '93 ZX-11D '89 Hawk GT '80 GS450ET (lots of E.T.) On Wed, 8 Nov 1995 Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX wrote: > >How is insurance in this area? I bought a bike last summer and I live in > >Fairfax, VA. > >I am 19 with a clean record and a standard bike. I want liability and >comp, > all 12 mos. > >Any recommendations? > > Start Saving. Liability in DC for a 12 yr old 1100 is 600.00. I am 33, have > passed the MFS course and have more than a year of riding experience and a > clean record. > > > ******************************************************************************* > * Tom Hormuth | '83 Honda Magna V65 VF1100C * > * tom_hormuth@XXXXXX | '83 Yamaha Virago 500 * > * Just another hyperactive cage rattler looking for a curve. * > ******************************************************************************* > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 08:43:06 1995 From: Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 08:33:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: INSURANCE >Hi Guys, >I moved into the District about a year ago from Arlington VA. I switched my >residence with my State Farm agent and low and behold, my insurance went >down by about $100 each on both of my cycles. I have two bikes and no car at >the >present time. The Kaw '95 ZX-9R runs about $265 per year full coverage. The >Yamaha '88 Venture Royle runs about $205 per year full coverage. I am 41, >never had a ticket or accident and been with State Farm for years. >Mike Who is your agent? I had State Farm for years. Then decided to sell my car and do metro. After 1.5 yrs. of metro I decided to get a bike. Went back to the same SF agent I had my car policy with and was told, unless I have a car to insure SF does not want my motorcyle business. Ended up with Geico,who quoted me almost 800.00 for full coverage on an '83 Magna V65 (VF1100C). Maybe your continuous coverage enabled you to keep SF. You are one of only a few who have had a pleasant experience with insurance in the District. ******************************************************************************* * Tom Hormuth | '83 Honda Magna V65 VF1100C * * tom_hormuth@XXXXXX | '83 Yamaha Virago 500 * * Just another hyperactive cage rattler looking for a curve. * ******************************************************************************* From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 08:59:15 1995 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Thomas Piergallini Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 09:04:11 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: INSURANCE back in 1989 full coverage on a 1987 600 ninja was costing me about $420 a year. I had this rate because I insured a car with nationwide at the time also. I use Colonial Insurance of California. You get to them through Nationwide agent. Today I pay liability only on an FZR600, a ninja 900, and a 72 BMW. All around $120 a piece I do not understand where the ridiculous rates I am hearing are comning from. I would also recommend Dairyland as an alternate. GEICO is an evil company in league with satan. If you meet someone who works for the company, do not say hi, just punch them in the mouth. GEICO does things like drop your insurance when they hear you use a radar detector, and lobby congress to have them outlawed. They are also an overly strong proponent of the bullshit saying "55 saves lives", attempting to prevent legislation from passing that would raise the speed limits in a lot of states. Sure, their rates are great. Get in an accident sometime and then see what happens to your rates. I do not have an opinion on this issue. :-) pierre From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 11:28:22 1995 In-Reply-To: <4037736501D9C1AA> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 11:29:25 -0500 From: "Norwicke, Glenn" Sender: "Norwicke, Glenn" Organization: APA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: INSURANCE X-mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway >From what I hear they also help pay for radar/laser units that the police depts. use. If you get a ticket and are insured by them and your rates will go up, which means you are essentially paying for the device that caught you in the first place. Glenn 93 CBR *********Original Message Follows******************************************** back in 1989 full coverage on a 1987 600 ninja was costing me about $420 a year. I had this rate because I insured a car with nationwide at the time also. I use Colonial Insurance of California. You get to them through Nationwide agent. Today I pay liability only on an FZR600, a ninja 900, and a 72 BMW. All around $120 a piece I do not understand where the ridiculous rates I am hearing are comning from. I would also recommend Dairyland as an alternate. GEICO is an evil company in league with satan. If you meet someone who works for the company, do not say hi, just punch them in the mouth. GEICO does things like drop your insurance when they hear you use a radar detector, and lobby congress to have them outlawed. They are also an overly strong proponent of the bullshit saying "55 saves lives", attempting to prevent legislation from passing that would raise the speed limits in a lot of states. Sure, their rates are great. Get in an accident sometime and then see what happens to your rates. I do not have an opinion on this issue. :-) pierre ------------------------[ SMTP header ]---------------------- | Return-Path: | Received: from krishna.cs.UMD.EDU by email.apa.org | via Connect2-SMTP 4.00 (0000207); Thu, 9 Nov 95 11:16:29 -0500 | Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU | by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) | id IAA00936; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:59:14 -0500 | Received: from nova.org | by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) | id IAA10690; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:59:08 -0500 | Received: by nova.org (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) | id AA00375; Thu, 9 Nov 95 09:04:12 -0500 | Message-Id: <9511091404.AA00375@XXXXXX> | Content-Type: text/plain | Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) | Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) | From: Thomas Piergallini | Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 09:04:11 -0500 | To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX | Subject: Re: INSURANCE | Reply-To: pierre@XXXXXX | References: <9511090842.21813.AA@XXXXXX> ------------------------------------------------------------- *********End of Original Message******************************************** From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 11:49:51 1995 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 11:49:40 -0400 To: Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: Re: DC area insurance Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >How is insurance in this area? I bought a bike last summer and I live in > >Fairfax, VA. > >I am 19 with a clean record and a standard bike. I want liability and >comp, > all 12 mos. > >Any recommendations? > Start Saving. Liability in DC for a 12 yr old 1100 is 600.00. I am 33, have > passed the MFS course and have more than a year of riding experience and a > clean record. Maybe you need a smaller bike. I'm 28 and pay $100/year for liability on a 650 standard. Crappy record, too. I have Progressive. David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 11:56:42 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:56:09 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: INSURANCE Geico purchased a number of the radar detector detector units for law enforcement agencies in Virginia. The units are not FCC type-accepted which gives you a little manuvering room in court . If you call GEICO about insurance one of the first questions they ask you is: do you have a radar detector? BTW I have full coverage/$100 deductible on my BMW for $250/year; it has not gone up or down in the last nine years. State Farm. S From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 11:58:44 1995 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 11:58:40 -0400 To: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: GEICO Flame Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >I started riding when I was about 19. For comprehensive coverage >(liability, collision, and property damage) on a Nighthawk 250 in Maryland, >I was paying $630 with a company called Penninsula. I switched to >Progressive, turned 21, and started paying $430. Then I got my current >bike, a '94 Magna 750, with comprehensive through GEICO, and I'm paying >about $439. I'm 24 now, I've completed both the beginner and experienced >rider courses, and I haven't had a ticket for anything since 1990. I wouldn't use GEICO if they only charged $10/year. Hope you don't get nabbed with one of the radar or laser guns you bought the cops, then get dropped. David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 12:09:19 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:09:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Subject: Re: GEICO Flame Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 10:58 11/9/95, David Mackintosh wrote: >I wouldn't use GEICO if they only charged $10/year. Hope you don't get >nabbed with one of the radar or laser guns you bought the cops, then >get dropped. I am absolutely FED UP with all the crap I've taken from all kinds of people about having GEICO. I've never had any problems with them, they are always open for claims or information, their rates are very reasonable, and they give all kinds of discounts for the MSF course, etc. If you had a problem with them, it's probably because you got a speeding ticket or something else that WAS YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT. They are able to keep their rates down by eliminating the RIFF RAFF. They don't insure hot dogs, or people with lousy driving records, and that's the way it should be, because we ALL pay for that SHIT. I don't feel the need to apologize for buying insurance from a company that buys law enforcement agencies speed detection devices because I don't speed. And people who do 70, 80, 90 on the Beltway or wherever SHOULD be dropped from GEICO if they get caught. That way I DON'T PAY FOR THEIR IDIOCY. -Sash Dow '94 Magna 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 12:09:19 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:09:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Subject: Re: GEICO Flame Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 10:58 11/9/95, David Mackintosh wrote: >I wouldn't use GEICO if they only charged $10/year. Hope you don't get >nabbed with one of the radar or laser guns you bought the cops, then >get dropped. I am absolutely FED UP with all the crap I've taken from all kinds of people about having GEICO. I've never had any problems with them, they are always open for claims or information, their rates are very reasonable, and they give all kinds of discounts for the MSF course, etc. If you had a problem with them, it's probably because you got a speeding ticket or something else that WAS YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT. They are able to keep their rates down by eliminating the RIFF RAFF. They don't insure hot dogs, or people with lousy driving records, and that's the way it should be, because we ALL pay for that SHIT. I don't feel the need to apologize for buying insurance from a company that buys law enforcement agencies speed detection devices because I don't speed. And people who do 70, 80, 90 on the Beltway or wherever SHOULD be dropped from GEICO if they get caught. That way I DON'T PAY FOR THEIR IDIOCY. -Sash Dow '94 Magna 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 12:09:54 1995 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 12:11:14 EST From: payter@XXXXXX (Payter Versteegen) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: INSURANCE David Mackintosh said: * Maybe you need a smaller bike. I'm 28 and pay $100/year for liability on * a 650 standard. Crappy record, too. I have Progressive. * Hey, Dave, that wouldn't be a 79-82 Honda CB650, eh? Just guessing. That's what I have (28, 650cc, crappy record, about $100 w/Dairyland). You're right about the bike's engine size. Anything over 1 liter and you're *asking* to be screwed (in most cases, fellas). With some companies, I've been told that 750cc is also another rate-bracket. L8r, P8r. payter@XXXXXX =;) From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 12:34:16 1995 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 12:34:04 -0400 To: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: Re: GEICO Flame Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >At 10:58 11/9/95, David Mackintosh wrote: >>I wouldn't use GEICO if they only charged $10/year. Hope you don't get >>nabbed with one of the radar or laser guns you bought the cops, then >>get dropped. >I don't feel the need to apologize for buying insurance from a company that >buys law enforcement agencies speed detection devices because I don't >speed. And people who do 70, 80, 90 on the Beltway or wherever SHOULD be >dropped from GEICO if they get caught. That way I DON'T PAY FOR THEIR >IDIOCY. Baaaa, baaaa, baaa. Oooh, 70+ mph, I must be the Devil himself! I'll be sure to wave at the next sheep I see on a Magna, probably doing 54mph in the left lane. I'll be the one passing you on the right, with cut-outs in the top of my helmet so my horns can stick through. How do you pay for people who speed? GEICO makes more money by having speeders caught. They can then up the rates of the offenders. >-Sash Dow >'94 Magna 750 Why would you own a bike that can do better than 55mph? Maybe you should trade that instrument of the Devil in on a nice 50cc scooter or something. David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 12:41:21 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:41:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GEICO Flame I would not buy GEICO, but when a GEICO insured cage driver hit my car a few years back, GEICO was totally excellent to deal with from the perspective of the victim. Before I made it home from the accident GEICO had already called my home and arranged to have a rental car delivered. Of course by the time the guy who hit me made it home, he probably had a phone call from GEICO cancelling his insurance. S From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 12:46:57 1995 From: "Osidach, Vera Z." To: dc cycles Subject: INSURANCE Date: Thu, 09 Nov 95 12:47:00 EST Encoding: 29 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 content-length: 1931 Come on -- give the guy some good advice, for crying out loud!! It doesn't matter what X or Y pays for what, what matters is your age, your driving record, where you live, whether your parents are insured there, etc. *Seriously.* When I was 19, I couldn't get LIABILITY insurance for under $3000 unless I went with my parents company . . . long story, but basically one has to shop around to get a good rate. I'm insured with State Farm, and they just recently started giving me good rates. I think it's like 3 years or something with the same company and a clean record -- but it VARIES with each company. Just call around and ask questions -- 'How long before I'm no longer considered a "risk"?' Things like that. When I bought my 1200 XLH, even Dairymen's quoted me something close to $2000/yr for comprehensive. I was paying a LOT for the first 2 or 3 years, and everyone I knew would say "Oh, I only pay $100/yr" and things like that. I had a clean record, and no one could figure out why I paid so much. Even when I called these "$100/yr" companies, they'd give me an outrageous quote. I think what it was, was that 1) I was new to the area, so every 'new' company put me in their "high risk" category, and 2) I was relatively young. So now, FINALLY, after having the same company for about 3 years, I'm paying what I consider a decent rate. (About $350/yr to State Farm for full coverage on a '93 XLH 1200 w/$50 deductible.) Whatever, hope this helps shed a little light. The only 'real' advice I can give is: If you can, try to get with a National company that has offices everywhere . . . maybe you can go with a company from your hometown? Maybe someone you know with a solid policy can help you out. Basically, it'll be hard it you're new to a company -- you're automatically "high risk." Take it for what it's worth!! (<$.02! :)) Ride safe (and inexpensively! ;)). -Vo From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 13:10:05 1995 From: Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 13:00:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: insurance > >How is insurance in this area? I bought a bike last summer and I live in > >Fairfax, VA. > >I am 19 with a clean record and a standard bike. I want liability and >comp, > all 12 mos. > >Any recommendations? > Start Saving. Liability in DC for a 12 yr old 1100 is 600.00. I am 33, have > passed the MFS course and have more than a year of riding experience and a > clean record. >Maybe you need a smaller bike. I'm 28 and pay $100/year for liability on a >650 standard. Crappy record, too. I have Progressive. >David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT >mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 Ya Dave, unfortunately Progressive does not underwrite in the District!!! ******************************************************************************* * Tom Hormuth | '83 Honda Magna V65 VF1100C * * tom_hormuth@XXXXXX | '83 Yamaha Virago 500 * * Just another hyperactive cage rattler looking for a curve. * ******************************************************************************* From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 13:29:37 1995 From: us001471@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:29:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Insurance Thread To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 ok, enough is enough boys. Someone asked for some information and what they got in return is senseless drible. Insurance is like anything else, its what you feel most comfortable with. For example, take your present mount. You have valid and good reasons why you ride it. A "flame" war would break out if someone made some very crude remarks about a particular mount. Same with wifes/ girl friends, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. If you really don't like the fact that GEICO gives money to police departments for radar and laser guns, then don't do business from them. Also don't knock people who do business with GEICO. Are you willing to complain to insurance companies that the manufactors are selling high performance sport bikes to kids who have no business owning one? Quite frankly, your insurance rates are high not because of speeding but, because the average bike in the hands of a new and inexperienced rider last roughly less than 6 months. Since the average spped in the area is 70+ and you get nabbed for speeding, you must have been doing something else that brought you to the attention of the speed nazis. On a personal note I got nabbed for doing 105 in a 55mph zone on 95. I did the speed and as a matter of fact have goten away with alot faster. I got caught and accepted the fact. In one sense, "you play, you pay". And if my insurance goes up next year because of it so what. If the thought of GEICO giving money to police for speed detection equipment bothers you, get off the bike. Let's stop the "insurance thread". I would hope that when someone on the list asks for help or advice that we could give help and advice without the rather pointed and biting crap. John Schaaf us001471@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 14:04:47 1995 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 10:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: Insurance Stuff To: DC Cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT There does seem to be some crazy stuff going on. With everyone else quoting their super-low rates, the cheapest I could find was $1000/yr full coverage for my Seca 600. Even though I have MSF and a clean record, I am 19 and this was the first insurance policy I had opened myself. I'm sure they considered me a "high risk" and my rates should go down at age 21 and after having insurance for a whole year. I wonder if I can get the discount for a transfer policy since I have been on my parents' car insurance (Prudential) since I was 16. But I still want to be covered to drive their cars..... I even called GEICO to get a rate (don't ask me why), but they said that they wouldn't cover me unless I had a year of experience on my Seca (classified as a standard). I wouldn't open a policy with them anyway after all the horror stories I've heard from others. With a normal company, would my insurance go up if I got one speeding ticket? Or do you need to get several to get raised? from, Justin V. Laubach (JLaubach@XXXXXX) 92 XJ600SD Seca II From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 15:23:22 1995 From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: 9 Nov 95 15:20:12 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Insurance Stuff In-Reply-To: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > > There does seem to be some crazy stuff going on. With everyone else > quoting their super-low rates, the cheapest I could find was $1000/yr > full coverage for my Seca 600. Even though I have MSF and a clean > record, I am 19 and this was the first insurance policy I had opened > myself. I'm sure they considered me a "high risk" and my rates should > go down at age 21 and after having insurance for a whole year. I wonder > if I can get the discount for a transfer policy since I have been on my > parents' car insurance (Prudential) since I was 16. But I still want to > be covered to drive their cars..... > > I even called GEICO to get a rate (don't ask me why), but they said that > they wouldn't cover me unless I had a year of experience on my Seca > (classified as a standard). I wouldn't open a policy with them anyway > after all the horror stories I've heard from others. > > With a normal company, would my insurance go up if I got one speeding > ticket? Or do you need to get several to get raised? > > from, > Justin V. Laubach > (JLaubach@XXXXXX) > 92 XJ600SD Seca II > before we let this subject die a quiet death...I might pass on some info from the three plus years that I worked at a (Va.) DMV... During the fall (usually just before school/college opens), I probably saw about 3-5 motorcyclists under the age of 25 (usually in the 19-21 group), come in the deregister their motorcycles (e.g. turn in their license plate) per month ...the main reason that was given was the high prices they had to pay for insurance. One fellow (he was 19) sold a new (less than 2k miles on the odometer) VMAX because, although he could afford the monthly payments (around $200 a month), he couldn't afford the insurance (almost $300 a month!)...needless to say, his driving record was not sterling but his age factor and type of bike also had alot to do with it. It's too bad too, because not *all* under 25 motorcyclists are bad drivers or race like a bat out of hell but statistically speaking (and believe me, I saw literally thousands of driving records), most male drivers under 30 had horrendous driving records. I'm not going to make any broad assumptions as to why, but the insurance companies consider that gender/ age group a high risk. And normally, being a rider on your parents policy is the only way to keep costs down. Unfortunately, that's a double edged sword. One one hand it's cheaper for *you* but if you rack up alot of tickets or get into an accident, your *parents* policy can be dramatically raised or outright cancelled, GEICO policy or not. One other interesting note was the geographic location where the tickets were issued. Falls Church is notorious for writing nickle and dime tickets, as is Herndon. Anyone who lived anywhere near (or had to commute) through these areas were prone to get a atleast one ticket in a years time. Falls Church (at one time anyway), favored writing motorcyclists tickets for going less than 10 mph over the speed limit. Reston, OTH, rarely stops a bike but will stop cars for minor violations (e.g. rolling stop at stop signs, running a yellow light etc). So keep a wary eye out when you're in those areas...It's also fairly known that State Troopers will almost *always* issue a citation for speeding, however Fairfax County police will usually let you go on a warning if the violation was minor and your record is clean. I also found out that if a police officer/traffic judge finds out that you work for DMV, you are *guaranteed* to get the maximum fine/punishment for your offense. "You know the laws better than the average citizen, you should know better so we're going to make an example out of you"...and yes the other people in court thought *that* was verrrryyy funny... :-( My experience with GEICO has been neutral. I have Allstate and my fiance has GEICO. Both of our policies are almost identical in cost and service (both have been very good). On one other note (and this is from personal observation alone btw), the pecking order of the most common gender/age for DMV suspensions and/or interviews is/was: for excessive points: Male cage drivers under the age of 20 (speeding/reckless) Male cage drivers under 35 (speeding) Female cage drivers under 25 (female offenders in this age group are the most arrogant about their driving behavior btw) Female cage drivers under 20 (usually for inattention or rear ending a car) and under the misc catagory: Male cage drivers for DWI (under 30) Male cage drivers for DWI (over 30) Female cage drivers for DWI (over 30) *** It was interesting to note that there was hardly ever any *female* cage drivers under the age of 20 that got popped for DWI, (probably because their boyfriends were driving, who knows) and it was _extremely_ rare to see a motorcylist get suspended or attend a DMV interview... well just thought you'd all like to know... take my comments with a grain of salt, and please don't pepper me with flames... my life is spicy enough! ;-) cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 16:03:09 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:02:18 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Speed Traps In a message dated 95-11-09 15:54:32 EST, aki.damme@XXXXXX writes: > One other interesting note >was the geographic location where the tickets were issued. >Falls Church is notorious for writing nickle and dime tickets, >as is Herndon. Anyone who lived anywhere near (or had >to commute) through these areas were prone to get a >atleast one ticket in a years time Drive at any speed over 24.1 mph in Herndon and you have a ticket, though it has improved a little in the last 8 years I have lived there. (BTW no tickets for me so far...) FWIW the Herndon cops have a little trailer they put out that has a radar gun and a score board telling you your speed. For a while it had the opposite of the intended effect on sport bike crowd; i heard that some folks were competing for the highest recorded speed.... S From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 16:43:30 1995 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 16:41:34 EST From: acoope00@XXXXXX (Andrew Cooper -- Arent Fox - Washington ) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: If a tree falls Z.ZzZrrr I've been following (and, for the most part, appreciating) the discussions about insurance & speeding tickets. I'd like to ask a question of those who have (unfortunate) experience. How do the insurance companies find out that you've received a speeding ticket? Do they check your record each time you renew or are they automatically notified or do you need to state something on your renewal or ... ? What about out-of-state tickets? Do those ever go on your record? Is there cooperation between/among D.C., Virginia, and Maryland? For instance, if you receive a speeding ticket in Maryland or Virginia, but live in D.C., does that go on your record? TIA for all responses! D.C. Cooper From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 17:04:26 1995 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 17:04:20 -0500 (EST) From: Marasco Newton Group To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GEICO Flame In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, Michael A. Dow wrote: > At 10:58 11/9/95, David Mackintosh wrote: > > >I wouldn't use GEICO if they only charged $10/year. Hope you don't get > >nabbed with one of the radar or laser guns you bought the cops, then > >get dropped. > > They don't insure hot dogs, or people with lousy driving records, > and that's the way it should be, because we ALL pay for that SHIT. > I don't feel the need to apologize for buying insurance from a company that > buys law enforcement agencies speed detection devices because I don't > speed. And people who do 70, 80, 90 on the Beltway or wherever SHOULD be > dropped from GEICO if they get caught. That way I DON'T PAY FOR THEIR > IDIOCY. I'm reluctant to enter this debate because it's almost as hot as helmet vs. no helmet but here goes. You are paying for the idiocy of others whether you like it or not. GEICO is looking at the same accident statistics other companies are. They simply chose to provide insurance to a relatively small slice of the statistical pie. Neither is GEICO nor any other insurance provider selling insurance for the good of humankind or out of the goodness of their collective hearts. They are all trying to make as much money as they can. Some companies provide "high risk" insurance at high rates and promise not to drop you because there is money to be made on people who desire to drive fast and don't mind paying for it, and people who've had some bad luck and can't get cheaper insurance elsewhere. GEICO opts for the other route and choses to insure low risk drivers. They charge marginally cheaper rates than the average, non-high risk insurer and are apt to drop you rather quickly if you have an accident or get a ticket. I personally want insurance from a company that will still be my company if I get a ticket or have an accident. At the same time I don't expect a company to be so patient as to tolerate frequent tickets and accidents. What I, and perhaps, most people want is to get from an insurance company what they put into it. What good is it to have insurance with a company for 10 years and pay a total of about $6000 dollars only to have the company drop me for a ticket. They get my $6000 dollars and I get to look for another company. On the other hand, what is the cost benefit in paying $12000 for those 10 years to a high risk insurer just to be able to drive recklessly. These are the two ends of the spectrum. I shopped out insureres very carefully last winter and found that GEICO did not offer rates or benefits to justify paying roughly the same amount to a company that is looking for ways to drop me at the drop of a hat. Much in the same way I wouldn't want medical insurance from a place that would drop me if I caught a cold. Everybody catches a cold and most people get at least one ticket (and ***newsflash*** even without driving like an idiot). Realize that I have presented the extremes of this issue as I have interpreted them and that normalcy, if it exists at all, resides somewhere in the middle. What type of insurance to get and from which provider to buy it is a personal choice that each of us makes inline with what we think most benefits ourselves. One rule of thumb though, if you are a new, young rider you're gonna have to take your lumps e.g. you'll pay higher rates for the first years. We've all had to do it so we know that it sucks a big weenie. Seriously, it seems there are simply too many young guys wraping their bikes around telephone poles. Take it easy folks and live to see lower rates, or prepare to pay the piper. Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." CB-1, RZ350 From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 17:34:41 1995 From: "Begeman, Leon" To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: If a tree falls Date: Thu, 09 Nov 95 17:34:00 est Encoding: 29 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >How do the insurance companies find out that you've received a >speeding ticket? Do they check your record each time you renew or >are they automatically notified or do you need to state something >on your renewal or ... ? My insurance is USAA. They insure military officers and their families. When I was on active duty, the tickets that showed up on my insurance record were the one's from the state where I was stationed and those from the state that I claimed as my home of record. Since I didn't tell USAA about them, I assume they checked my record every year with the state. They would also send me a letter every few years asking me about any tickets I received. I dutifully reported all of the tickets that had anything to do with anything that I had to call them about. >What about out-of-state tickets? Do those ever go on your record? Sometimes. I haven't gotten any lately, so I don't know who gets which. I do know that South Dakota checks to see if you have any outstanding tickets in Iowa before they will renew your license. (Or maybe Iowa wrote and asked them to hold the renewal until the fine was paid). > >Is there cooperation between/among D.C., Virginia, and Maryland? >For instance, if you receive a speeding ticket in Maryland or >Virginia, but live in D.C., does that go on your record? Don't know for sure about this one. No personal experience (yet). Leon. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 17:57:05 1995 From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: 9 Nov 95 17:55:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: If a tree falls In-Reply-To: <9511092141.AA23395@ad0.reach.com> > > Z.ZzZrrr > I've been following (and, for the most part, appreciating) the > discussions about insurance & speeding tickets. I'd like to ask a > question of those who have (unfortunate) experience. > > How do the insurance companies find out that you've received a > speeding ticket? Do they check your record each time you renew or > are they automatically notified or do you need to state something > on your renewal or ... ? > > What about out-of-state tickets? Do those ever go on your record? > Is there cooperation between/among D.C., Virginia, and Maryland? > For instance, if you receive a speeding ticket in Maryland or > Virginia, but live in D.C., does that go on your record? > > TIA for all responses! > D.C. Cooper > ..you'll find that somewhere in the fine print that you authorized your insurance company to access your driving record. Most big insurance companies pay the state DMV to access you record on a "per inquiry basis"...inquiries are usually made in a company mandated schedule (some are once per year, others are every two years, some more frequently for high risk drivers). Some other insurance companies (I guess to save themselves money), require you to go to your local DMV and obtain a copy of your driving record and present it to your local agent for review. As far as reciprocity is concerned...it's really a moot point, the federal government has mandated that *all* states will be a part of the National Driving Record database (similiar to what has already been implemented for truckers), by the year 1999...you get a ticket in California and Virginia (and every other state), will know about it as soon as it clears the court. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 18:34:50 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:34:45 -0500 To: Marasco Newton Group , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Subject: Re: GEICO Flame At 17:04 11/9/95, Marasco Newton Group wrote: >You are paying for the idiocy of others whether you like it or not. GEICO >is looking at the same accident statistics other companies are. They >simply chose to provide insurance to a relatively small slice of the >statistical pie. > >Neither is GEICO nor any other insurance provider selling insurance for >the good of humankind or out of the goodness of their collective hearts. >They are all trying to make as much money as they can. Some companies Please don't insult my intelligence any more so than has already been done. I don't want to discuss this any further; it's not worth my time. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 9 19:06:10 1995 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 00:07:32 UT From: "Brian Roth" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: subscribe subscribe broth@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 10 05:53:54 1995 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 02:51:55 -0800 From: lucas.m@XXXXXX (Mark J. Lucas ) Subject: Insurance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have my insurance through Progressive Insurance 1-800-398-7158. I'm only paying about $450 a year for full coverage on a new PC. I do have a clean record, a MSF course under my belt and I am an AMA member which gives me an additional discount. Suggest you check out Progressive and (you knew this plug was coming) check out a membership with AMA. They have alot of good benefits, including the insurance discount. It's only $25 a year 1-800-AMA-JOIN. -- Ride in peace, Mark lucas.m@XXXXXX DoD# 1827 AMA# 697583 '84 Kawasaki 305 => '94 Honda Shadow VLX => '95 Honda Pacific Coast From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 10 06:00:00 1995 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 02:59:26 -0800 From: lucas.m@XXXXXX (Mark J. Lucas ) Subject: Re: If a tree falls Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >What about out-of-state tickets? Do those ever go on your record? >Is there cooperation between/among D.C., Virginia, and Maryland? >For instance, if you receive a speeding ticket in Maryland or >Virginia, but live in D.C., does that go on your record? DC, VA, & MD do cooperate on traffic violations. If you have an unpaid ticket in DC and try to renew your licence in VA, they know about it. But there is no cooperation on parking tickets. Have a friend who lives in DC and has an address where she registers her car in VA. Has a bundle of unpaid DC parking tickets, and has no problem with registration each year in VA. Weird area to live in, huh? -- Ride in peace, Mark lucas.m@XXXXXX DoD# 1827 AMA# 697583 '84 Kawasaki 305 => '94 Honda Shadow VLX => '95 Honda Pacific Coast From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 10 07:42:54 1995 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Thomas Piergallini Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 07:47:56 -0500 To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: If a tree falls I also use USAA, but not for bikes. Their bike insurance stinks unless you ride a 1951 50cc scooter or are 200 years old and director of your local DMV (translated-no sportbikes, others are OK). USAA and tickets? I have served jail time because of tickets and to this day they have never found out about any of my transgressions. And do not bother writing them a letter to stop my wanton reckless, all these problems were more than 3 years ago, so all the points are gone (if I was every assigned any, cause I always got tickets in the states I was stationed in, not my home state). If you really want to point the finger of blame it goes like this. car<-->insurance laws!<--->politicians<---insurance company$$$lobbying kickbacks!! Get it?!!! It is the congressman who are screwing us by passing insurance laws that force us to pay cash to the blackmailing insurance companies. You hurt someone and can not pay? Forfeit your house and sell your wife and kids, you don't need insurance. Insurance is supposed to be used to protect yourself. We all believe those who are wreckless should pay extra money to be insured. YOU SHOULD PAY THE EXTRA MONEY AFTER IT IS PROVEN YOU ARE A DANGER!! Like after your first accident. I see no correlation between driving record without accidents and insurability. If the state takes away your driving PRIVILEGE with justification, so be it. That system is in place in a supposedly democratic manner. Insurance companies now have the same power as the state to arbitrarilty remove your PRIVILEGE through high rates. This is wrong. pierre From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 10 09:25:12 1995 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 09:26:33 EST From: payter@XXXXXX (Payter Versteegen) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If a tree falls * How do the insurance companies find out that you've received a * speeding ticket? Do they check your record each time you renew or * are they automatically notified or do you need to state something * on your renewal or ... ? * I've had Allstate with my parents for years. When I went to them for individual insurance for my cage, they told me I'd get a special discount for having been with them (through my parents) a clean record as far as they knew (I had a wreck, but w/dad's car; his insurance, blah, blah, blah) For the longest time, I paid less then $500/year for liability. Then I went to them for moto insurance. I should *not* have been loyal to them. I opened the policy, and only them did they verify me record (three speed-o's), consequently rejecting my moto insurance...*then* refusing to renew my cage insurance! I'm with Allstate Indemnity (sp?), paying nearly what I paid as a teen (I'm 28). Guess Allstate only checks when they *need* to check. * What about out-of-state tickets? Do those ever go on your record? * Is there cooperation between/among D.C., Virginia, and Maryland? * For instance, if you receive a speeding ticket in Maryland or * Virginia, but live in D.C., does that go on your record? * There's cooperation in the sense that if you've not resolved a ticket in one state, that state will tell your home state to suspend your license. In my colorful driving history :) I once got a ticket in Delaware and heard nothing from them for two years. One August 31 (quota day, or is that just a rumor?) I got pulled over for a busted headlight. Spent the night in jail for that (well the suspended license). No tickets from any of Delaware, Pennsylvania, New York, North Carolina, or New Mexico appear on my 99-year MD driving record. Whew! :) L8r, P8r. payter@XXXXXX =;) From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 10 09:59:56 1995 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:59:20 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Meier To: Payter Versteegen cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If a tree falls In-Reply-To: <9511101426.AA19411@niccolo.gsfc.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 10 Nov 1995, Payter Versteegen wrote: > There's cooperation in the sense that if you've not resolved a ticket > in one state, that state will tell your home state to suspend your > license. In my colorful driving history :) I once got a ticket in Wish that was the case for me since my license is not up for renewal until 2000. I got tagged in my cage for two tickets, one in NC and one in Maryland and they both cost me points on my VIRGINIA license! Explain that one. It may have been because they were both 4 point violations...speeding more than 10 over. Yes, they were both ~66-70 in a 55/mph zone on the highway. Those two were about a year ago, had one policy renewal from USAA in between and no change in premium, figured they would not find out, due to the out of state thing and all. WRONG, I called to change some insurance on the bike (94 RF900) and they said, oh I see you got two tickets! Oops, but it was better than I thought, only added about $60 to my premium. Chris RF900 > L8r, P8r. > payter@XXXXXX > > =;) > From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 10 12:38:17 1995 From: "Bartlett, Mark" To: "Cycles, DC" Subject: Visors Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 12:38:00 est Encoding: 42 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 My first brush with the law in the DC area: It was dark, and must have been about 35 degrees when I left work (NIH) last night. Traffic was bumper to bumper from the car (bike) park to the nearest main thoroughfare. I waited at least 4 light changes and had moved about 20 car lengths in that time when I noticed there was a cop right behind me. No problem. Until he pulled up beside me and barked "Visor down!" I said "Pardon?" "put your visor down" me: "but I'm hardly moving. My visor will fog up immediately" "Then get some eye-wear or something, its the law in MD to have eye protection" Now I don't have an attitude problem (other than being an Australian - and my convict ancestry probably causes me to take authority a little less seriously than I perhaps should), but by now I could hardly believe my ears. I asked in a friendly and unthreatening way, "Do you mean to tell me, that even under these circumstances (not even moving, 35F, fog-breath city) that you are going to book me if I don't put my visor down?" "No sir, I won't book you, I'll write you a ticket. The fine is $40 and it'll be a point off your license" I tried some more to reason with the guy, but he was like a wall. Finally.... me: "(grumble) "If you say so" (guess I'm not going to win this one, visor goes down) I have only been riding in the US for a few months. I can't believe that this guy is typical for cops around here. PLEASE tell me that's true! I've heard of taking the law to the letter, but this was ludicrous! I'm all for wearing helmets, and will put my visor down when necessary. I've never really understood the no-helmet philosophy until now. If that's the attitude of law enforcement officers, and perhaps politicians/govt, then I can understand the resistance. Its not that wearing helmets, visors, eye protection is not sensible, its just that when the law is used for its own sake to persecute riders I think its going a bit far. Any comments? mark B From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 10 20:34:44 1995 Date: Friday, 10 November 1995 11:24 ET To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Subject: If a tree falls In-Reply-To: The letter of Thursday, 9 November 1995 18:09 ET Hey! Everyone has missed the point to the insurance problem. The problem is not GEICO. The problem is insurance! Was Dairyland or progressive NOT involved in the lobying for the legislation that made insurance MANDATORY? I think NOT! All of the insurance companies poured money into that cash cow. Now they all reap the benefits. The figures I read earlier are a perfect example. If you spent $20000.00 in a ten year period for insurance and only had one accident then what do you need insurance for. All you would have to do is put the money in a bank account and use it to buy a new bike! The problem is that it isn't us against GEICO, its us against the entire insurance industry! The entire industry has been bilking the average american for most of our lives. They are so powerfull that they have had more legislation passed then most of our presidents. Lets review a few of them... seat belt law, helmet law, manditory insurance, 55 mph speed limits..... Where will it stop? A unregulated industry that has enough power to get laws passed so the consumer is forced by law to use there product. Thoughts to ponder... Carl B. 91 Sporty 94 Ultra All opinions are mine obviously! From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 11 09:25:44 1995 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 09:25:41 -0500 (EST) From: Marasco Newton Group To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: If a tree falls In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 10 Nov 1995 carl.burkholder@XXXXXX wrote: > Hey! > Everyone has missed the point to the insurance problem. The problem is not > GEICO. The problem is insurance! Was Dairyland or progressive NOT involved in > the lobying for the legislation that made insurance MANDATORY? I think NOT! Philosphically I agree that everyone should be more responsible for their own actions which would in turn virtually eliminate the need for insurance, but most people do not have a nest egg of several thousand dollars to cover damages incurred in the event of an accident. Of the three parts of insurance (liability, comprehensive, and collision) I believe that the only one required by states (more may be required by the company) is liability which covers the damages caused to another vehicle, and that vehicle's passengers, if you are determined to be at fault. If a person chooses to be responsible for the costs of replacing a stolen vehicle, paying for vandalism or hit-and-run damgaes, or paying for repair costs for which they are found at fault, they are free to not pay that part of those insurance policy options. However, I think anyone who has been hit by someone who does not own insurance can attest to the value of liability requirements. It can be a nightmare trying to get money from someone who is not insured. I have often thought that the best type of insurance would be a plan where as if you don't end up needing the equivalent of what you have payed, at some time later, you can get a check back from the insurance company; more like life insurance policies. Now that may be effective motivation for drivers to drive more safely; cold, hard cash. Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." CB-1, RZ350 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 13 00:17:51 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 00:16:24 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX From: hacker@XXXXXX (Dark Hacker) Subject: RE: Insurance >On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, The Mad God wrote: > >> On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, Justin V. Laubach wrote: >> >> > How is insurance in this area? I bought a bike last summer and I live in >> > Fairfax, VA. >> > I am 19 with a clean record and a standard bike. I want liability and >> > comp, all 12 mos. >> > Any recommendations? I have my insurance with Progressive. I passed both MSF courses, have a clean driving record and discounts for being a home owner, clean record, AMA member and having taken the MSF courses. My yearly insurance is something like $300. I've heard a lot of negative coments about State Farm when you start to file claims. - Hacker - Hacker "Cirque Du Soleil makes Ringling Brothers look like a gator pit" =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ORGANIZATION: Fortress Of Computation EMAIL: hacker@XXXXXX NEXTMAIL: hacker@XXXXXX WWW: HTTP://www.computation.com/pub/hacker/ TWISTED DIABOLICAL LAUGHTER: BWWAH HA HA HA HAA HA HA HA HA!!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 13 06:55:40 1995 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 06:55:35 -0400 To: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: Re: GEICO Flame Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Michael A. Dow wrote: >Please don't insult my intelligence any more so than has already been done. >I don't want to discuss this any further; it's not worth my time. You ever heard of reading the subject line? When I made my first post, I changed the subject from "Insurance Questions" or whatever, to "GEICO Flame." We know you're sensitive about this issue, so just quit reading this subject. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to hit the "N" or "Delete" keys. We are quite welcome to discuss any subject we like, and some less close-minded individuals may find the information usefull. BTW, GEICO sucks. David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 13 07:24:01 1995 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 07:23:54 -0400 To: Christopher Meier From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: Re: If a tree falls Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Wish that was the case for me since my license is not up for renewal >until 2000. I got tagged in my cage for two tickets, one in NC and one >in Maryland and they both cost me points on my VIRGINIA license! Explain >that one. It may have been because they were both 4 point >violations...speeding more than 10 over. Yes, they were both ~66-70 in a >55/mph zone on the highway. Interesting. While I was in college ('85-'90) I got several tickets in South Carolina and Virginia with my Maryland license. The record of the violations was picked up on my record, but no MD points. The insurance company got me, but I would not have been in danger of suspension. David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 13 08:21:30 1995 From: jchi@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 08:11:11 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anybody rode yesterday? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Did the normal CAM ride happen yesterday morning? I rode my goof2 up to MD to get my bagels. (YES! Actually ride from Alexandria, VA to Bethesda, MD to buy begels.) Besides, it gives me a chance to ride my bike on GW Pkwy. :-) I saw a yellow Honda Magna right off River Rd exit off 495. I was just wondering if one of you one the net was on the other side of the road. It was different to see snow on the shoulders of GW Pkwy and riding my bike. Happy riding. Jae jchi@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 13 08:49:09 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 08:45:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: If a tree falls > >Is there cooperation between/among D.C., Virginia, and Maryland? >For instance, if you receive a speeding ticket in Maryland or >Virginia, but live in D.C., does that go on your record? Yes. To the best of my knowledge the states won't enforce the payment of fines to other localities, but the conviction information (and points) do get reported. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 13 08:51:44 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 08:50:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX, Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Visors No, all cops aren't this bad. I've never been hassled by any cop, anywhere, for sitting in traffic with my visor up. I think your biggest problem was that you were on the NIH campus (me too), and were dealing with an NIH cop. In my experience the Federal cops are all disappointed FBI agent wannabes, and have absolutely zero sense of humor. They also have no ability to analyze each situation individually, or to apply any kind of common sense. If the book says "X", they'll do "X" every time, no matter how stupid it may be under the particular circumstances. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 13 09:00:32 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 08:59:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: If a tree falls >I have often thought that the best type of insurance would be a plan >where as if you don't end up needing the equivalent of what you have >paid, at some time later, you can get a check back from the >insurance company; more like life insurance policies. Now that may >be effective motivation for drivers to drive more safely; cold, hard >cash. Hahahahahahahahaha! I can just see some insurance company coming up with this one! The real problem with mandatory insurance is that, in combination with the industries exemption from certain antitrust laws, is that it has removed most real competition from the business. Before mandatory insurance, the companies might not have to worry about real competition from each other, but they had to price their products low enough to compete against the "no insurance" option. The threat of cancellation wasn't nearly as effective then, either. With mandatory liability, there are no longer any market forces preventing insurance companies from charging young single males $2000 bucks a year for liability, and canceling them after one accident. And there are no market forces preventing them from doubling your rates after a few speeding tickets (in spite of all the evidence that speeding, in and of itself, does not lead to higher accident rates or higher claims). Mandatory liability insurance is, on balance a good thing. What needs to be done, however, is to completely eliminate the antitrust exemptions of the insurance industry, and to jail industry executives who violate antitrust laws, or to heavily regulate the insurance industry, as we do with most other noncompetitive industries (utilities, for example). From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 13 09:02:54 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 09:01:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anybody rode yesterday? What, might I ask, is CAM? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Did the normal CAM ride happen yesterday morning? I rode my goof2 up to MD to get my bagels.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 13 09:26:16 1995 From: "skip farmer" Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:31:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.1 10apr95 MediaMail) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Blue Knights Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just wanted to remind every one that Police Officers can ride motorcycles too! Matter of fact, there may even be a few on this net who are or have been Law enforcement officers. So as your daily banter includes cop bashing just remember many of them ride to and are not all bad. :) Yes, some like that cop who told someone to lower their visor at the light, are not brilliant. They don't ride so they are unaware of issues riders face. But also they hear a lot of the same stories....Officer: Why were you going 85mph in this 40mph?...Rider: Gee, my throttle stuck open, I am lucky I got it unstuck I was almost killed! FYI: Most states are now part of a Compact. The states in the Compact send rider citation information to the other states. Some states can then even suspend your license to ride in that state for unpaid fines. MD law states that if you are suspended in any other state consider your MD one suspended also. Happy Riding! :) 87 GS-450 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 13 10:02:03 1995 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: Blue Knights Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 09:56:00 EST Encoding: 17 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >Just wanted to remind every one that Police Officers can ride motorcycles too! >Matter of fact, there may even be a few on this net who are or have been Law >enforcement officers. >87 GS-450 Right you are, I'm a new associate member of Blue Knights Maryland Chapter I. I also ride a GS-450, mine is an '82. I plan on being at the meeting tonight, if you are there also, say hello. For the record, no one I know would give a rider a hard time for having the face shield up while stopped at a light. Bill McLoone, GS-450, (1/2 an XS-1100H) From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 13 10:13:33 1995 From: "Bartlett, Mark" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Blue Knights Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 10:13:00 est Encoding: 29 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >Just wanted to remind every one that Police Officers can ride motorcycles too! >Matter of fact, there may even be a few on this net who are or have been Law >enforcement officers. So as your daily banter includes cop bashing just >remember many of them ride to and are not all bad. :) >Yes, some like that cop who told someone to lower their visor at the light, >are not brilliant. They don't ride so they are unaware of issues riders face. But... That's true enough. I'm the guy who 'hates' visors. I have a few friends who are bike cops and they're good guys. I was always jealous of them 'cos in Oz they rode BMW 1000's and could (and did) go as fast as they liked. I've also been impressed by others that don't ride bikes. My bike stopped on a freeway in Michigan this past summer. Some nice highway patrol officer stopped and drove me to the nearest phone 10 miles or so down the rode. Very friendly and helpful. In Australia once on a public holiday my Honda 750 chucked a chain. I was miles from nowhere and no shops were open. Again 2 cops drove me way up into the mountains somewhere to see a guy they knew had bikes (managed Honda Australia Racing Team), then drove me (very fast) back to my bike for some repairs. So... I'm not a cop basher. Just don't like it when they get silly and unreasonable. MarkB From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 13 10:24:32 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 10:24:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: If a tree falls In a message dated 95-11-13 09:00:34 EST, Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX writes: > > Yes. To the best of my knowledge the states won't enforce the payment > of fines to other localities, but the conviction information (and > points) do get reported. > > True except for Delaware which has no reciprocal agreement with VA. Steve From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 13 11:01:08 1995 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:01:03 -0500 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Reciprocal Agreements... Re[2]: If a tree falls In-Reply-To: SRFox@aol.com "Re: Re[2]: If a tree falls" (Nov 13, 10:24am) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Organization: Hughes-On-The-Beltway Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT When this "National Database" is implemented, will it be retroactive? In other words, will unpaid tickets from the past come back to haunt us? I don't know if PA has a reciprocal agreement with VA or not, but several years ago I had to jump through all kinds of hoops to get a license in Virginia after it had been suspended in Pennsylvania. After all my fines had been paid ($500) and the suspension time had elapsed (2 yrs) I had to get a letter confirming that I was no longer a resident of PA, one stating that the fines and penalties had been taken care of, and I had to retake the driver's exam, of course. -- ******************************************************************************** Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 Hughes Information Technology Company Landover, MD Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 13 11:05:50 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:05:39 -0500 To: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh), sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) From: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Subject: Re: GEICO Flame Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 5:55 11/13/95, David Mackintosh wrote: >Michael A. Dow wrote: >>Please don't insult my intelligence any more so than has already been done. >>I don't want to discuss this any further; it's not worth my time. > >You ever heard of reading the subject line? When I made my first post, >I changed the subject from "Insurance Questions" or whatever, to "GEICO >Flame." We know you're sensitive about this issue, so just quit reading >this subject. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to hit the "N" or "Delete" >keys. We are quite welcome to discuss any subject we like, and some less >close-minded individuals may find the information usefull. > >BTW, GEICO sucks. > >David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT >mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 That's all well and good if you are only going to post to the list. If you are going to include a cc: that sends mail directly to me, or to send the message to me and cc: the list, I have every right to respond. And to which closed-minded individuals are you referring? -Sash Michael "Sash" Dow Laboratory of Neuropsychology National Institute of Mental Health 49 Convent Dr MSC 4115 Building 49 Room 1B80 Bethesda, MD 20892-4115 Phone: (301) 496-5625 x259 Fax: (301) 402-0046 _________________________________________ Email: sash@XXXXXX sash@XXXXXX sash@XXXXXX sashd@XXXXXX _________________________________________ Opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the United States Government or its agencies. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 13 11:09:04 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:08:53 -0500 To: jchi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Subject: Re: Anybody rode yesterday? At 8:11 11/13/95, jchi@XXXXXX wrote: >Did the normal CAM ride happen yesterday morning? I rode my goof2 up to MD to >get my bagels. (YES! Actually ride from Alexandria, VA to Bethesda, MD to buy >begels.) Besides, it gives me a chance to ride my bike on GW Pkwy. :-) I saw a >yellow Honda Magna right off River Rd exit off 495. I was just wondering if one >of you one the net was on the other side of the road. Yellow Magna!!! Thanks for telling me!! I have to go home and check something... Just kidding. No, the CAMS didn't ride yesterday (as a group anyway). My Magna was busy dodging falling tree limbs in the back yard while I was helping some friends move. Cheers, -Sash ___________________________________________________________________ Michael A. Dow AMA# 403971 | HRCA Member | DoD# 1808 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = '94 Honda VF750C Magna ("Thanks, but it's not a Harley") in Yellow! "I don't wanna pickle /I just wanna ride on my motorsickle" -Arlo ___________________________________________________________________ "Love is a matter of chemistry; sex is a matter of physics." From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 13 20:21:30 1995 From: "Mr. Kosmas Pentakalos" Subject: Re: GEICO Flame To: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:21:24 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Michael A. Dow" at Nov 9, 95 12:09:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3066 Michael A. Dow > > At 10:58 11/9/95, David Mackintosh wrote: > > >I wouldn't use GEICO if they only charged $10/year. Hope you don't get > >nabbed with one of the radar or laser guns you bought the cops, then > >get dropped. > > I am absolutely FED UP with all the crap I've taken from all kinds of > people about having GEICO. I've never had any problems with them, they are > always open for claims or information, their rates are very reasonable, and > they give all kinds of discounts for the MSF course, etc. If you had a > problem with them, it's probably because you got a speeding ticket or > something else that WAS YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT. They are able to keep their > rates down by eliminating the RIFF RAFF. They don't insure hot dogs, or > people with lousy driving records, and that's the way it should be, because > we ALL pay for that SHIT. A SINGLE point or speeding ticket or someone else's fault of a hit and run is not a lousy record. But they are grounds for them to deny one or discontinue one's insurance. None of this happened to me. I was just sick and tired of them sending me my policy or bill to an old address and after four different times they still did not change it. Finally I called them and told them to discontinue it, so they sent me again the notice to the old address that was not being forwarded after a year had passed. Later I found out about all the bullshit advocacy they do "against US" (excuse me but I can not believe that you have never exceeded 55) and all the free radars they send to our local police. That means that chances are that when you DO finally get a ticket chances will be that you paid for the radar that clocked you. An other detail! My girlfriend lives in NY. NY has to have a valid and current insurance card to title and register a car. All other insurance companies will produce this document while you are paying. Geico will send it in the mail whenever they choose to do so. So if you buy a car or motorcycle and have no closed garage space to keep it while the Geico gang scratches (*&^(*&^)*&^)(balls you are screwed! I have zero points zero accidents. Geico was cheaper. I like to have an insurance agent to talk to when I need to. Geico does not have one. Good enough reason to stay away from them. > I don't feel the need to apologize for buying insurance from a company that > buys law enforcement agencies speed detection devices because I don't > speed. And people who do 70, 80, 90 on the Beltway or wherever SHOULD be > dropped from GEICO if they get caught. That way I DON'T PAY FOR THEIR > IDIOCY. Stop screaming, remember when your mom got a speeding ticket going 36 on a 25 limit. Would you like to have an other Geico "follower" calling her names? > -Sash Dow > '94 Magna 750 What do you need the 750 for, Geico man? Get a TOMOS super 50 just in case Geico decides that Magna are suicidal deamonical suicide machines. By the way, a Celica GTS FrontWD car is considered too much of a risk for Geico. With a clean record Geico will simply refuse it. Kosmas From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 13 20:21:32 1995 From: "Mr. Kosmas Pentakalos" Subject: Re: GEICO Flame To: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:21:24 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Michael A. Dow" at Nov 9, 95 12:09:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3066 Michael A. Dow > > At 10:58 11/9/95, David Mackintosh wrote: > > >I wouldn't use GEICO if they only charged $10/year. Hope you don't get > >nabbed with one of the radar or laser guns you bought the cops, then > >get dropped. > > I am absolutely FED UP with all the crap I've taken from all kinds of > people about having GEICO. I've never had any problems with them, they are > always open for claims or information, their rates are very reasonable, and > they give all kinds of discounts for the MSF course, etc. If you had a > problem with them, it's probably because you got a speeding ticket or > something else that WAS YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT. They are able to keep their > rates down by eliminating the RIFF RAFF. They don't insure hot dogs, or > people with lousy driving records, and that's the way it should be, because > we ALL pay for that SHIT. A SINGLE point or speeding ticket or someone else's fault of a hit and run is not a lousy record. But they are grounds for them to deny one or discontinue one's insurance. None of this happened to me. I was just sick and tired of them sending me my policy or bill to an old address and after four different times they still did not change it. Finally I called them and told them to discontinue it, so they sent me again the notice to the old address that was not being forwarded after a year had passed. Later I found out about all the bullshit advocacy they do "against US" (excuse me but I can not believe that you have never exceeded 55) and all the free radars they send to our local police. That means that chances are that when you DO finally get a ticket chances will be that you paid for the radar that clocked you. An other detail! My girlfriend lives in NY. NY has to have a valid and current insurance card to title and register a car. All other insurance companies will produce this document while you are paying. Geico will send it in the mail whenever they choose to do so. So if you buy a car or motorcycle and have no closed garage space to keep it while the Geico gang scratches (*&^(*&^)*&^)(balls you are screwed! I have zero points zero accidents. Geico was cheaper. I like to have an insurance agent to talk to when I need to. Geico does not have one. Good enough reason to stay away from them. > I don't feel the need to apologize for buying insurance from a company that > buys law enforcement agencies speed detection devices because I don't > speed. And people who do 70, 80, 90 on the Beltway or wherever SHOULD be > dropped from GEICO if they get caught. That way I DON'T PAY FOR THEIR > IDIOCY. Stop screaming, remember when your mom got a speeding ticket going 36 on a 25 limit. Would you like to have an other Geico "follower" calling her names? > -Sash Dow > '94 Magna 750 What do you need the 750 for, Geico man? Get a TOMOS super 50 just in case Geico decides that Magna are suicidal deamonical suicide machines. By the way, a Celica GTS FrontWD car is considered too much of a risk for Geico. With a clean record Geico will simply refuse it. Kosmas From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 14 10:56:12 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:56:11 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Subject: About the "GEICO Flame" Do not send me any more messages directly about this incessant thread (that means you David Mackintosh and Kosmas Pentakalos). I made it clear on the list that I do not want to be involved anymore, so stop wasting bandwidth, time and energy. Don't let me give you the impression that I'm "closed-minded." Please feel free to discuss this on the list until you keel over. Just don't send me email. -Sash Michael "Sash" Dow Laboratory of Neuropsychology National Institute of Mental Health 49 Convent Dr MSC 4115 Building 49 Room 1B80 Bethesda, MD 20892-4115 Phone: (301) 496-5625 x259 Fax: (301) 402-0046 _________________________________________ Email: sash@XXXXXX sash@XXXXXX sash@XXXXXX sashd@XXXXXX _________________________________________ Opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the United States Government or its agencies. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 14 11:25:43 1995 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:25:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: Re: About the "GEICO Flame" >Do not send me any more messages directly about this incessant thread (that >means you David Mackintosh and Kosmas Pentakalos). I made it clear on the >list that I do not want to be involved anymore, so stop wasting bandwidth, >time and energy. Sash certainly wanted to become involved when he(?) posted his(?) first name- calling (IDIOTS who drive 70+ and deserve tickets and loss of coverage) reply, to a note posted to the list, not to him personally. If I am replying to someone's post, my mail reader automatically puts them on the "To:" line and I add dc-cycles to the "Cc:" line if I feel it may be of interest to any others. I agree that this thread has become a waste of bandwidth, and probably would've been better suited for the rec.motorcycles newsgroup. >Don't let me give you the impression that I'm "closed-minded." Please feel >free to discuss this on the list until you keel over. Just don't send me >email. I can't tell before I read a message whether it was sent to me personally or to the list. What's the difference, anyway? Either you read mail with a certain subject or you don't. David Mackintosh '92 Sovereign '95 Moda '82 245 Turbo '89 Hawk GT mackinto@XXXXXX Germantown, MD, USA WVC #M141 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 14 12:12:29 1995 Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 95 12:11:03 EST Date: Tue, 14 Nov 95 12:11:01 EDT From: "Bill Elwell" Encoding: 396 Text To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fuel Shutoff Problems Last weekend I figured that it was time to put the bike away for a while. I have an 85 Honda Sabre (VF1100S) I fired it up and closed the fuel shutoff valve. I waited, and waited and waited. The engine kept on running. After about 5 minutes I gave up and packed it away without draining the carbs. Does anyone have any ideas about what gives here? Bill Elwell b.elwell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 14 13:10:24 1995 From: "Bartlett, Mark" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Fuel Shutoff Problems Date: Tue, 14 Nov 95 13:10:00 est Encoding: 30 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Subject: Fuel Shutoff Problems Date: Tuesday, November 14, 1995 12:11PM From: "Bill Elwell" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- >Last weekend I figured that it was time to put the bike away for a while. I >have an 85 Honda Sabre (VF1100S) I fired it up and closed the fuel shutoff >valve. I waited, and waited and waited. The engine kept on running. After >about 5 minutes I gave up and packed it away without draining the carbs. >Does anyone have any ideas about what gives here? Its possible that your bike doesn't actually have a shut off valve. My GS550, which I believe is not unique, has three positions on the gas valve. Reserve, On, and Prime. Both the reserve and the on positions require vacuum to draw fuel from the tank - as in when the engine is running normally. The other "prime" position is used to allow the gas to flow with no requirement for vacuum. It's used when your carbs are empty to save the battery when starting. So, the only way to really run your carbs dry is to disconnect the gas hose from the valve. MarkB From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 14 13:34:59 1995 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 95 13:36:23 EST From: payter@XXXXXX (Payter Versteegen) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: About the "GEICO Flame" sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) said: * Do not send me any more messages directly about this incessant thread (that * means you David Mackintosh and Kosmas Pentakalos). I made it clear on the * list that I do not want to be involved anymore, so stop wasting bandwidth, * time and energy. * * Don't let me give you the impression that I'm "closed-minded." Please feel * free to discuss this on the list until you keel over. Just don't send me * email. * Try this from the command-line: % echo unsubscribe | mail dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Jeez! L8r, P8r. payter@XXXXXX =;) From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 14 14:00:49 1995 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 95 13:25:01 EST X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Frank George" Subject: re:Fuel Shutoff Problems ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Sent by:"Bill Elwell" Last weekend I figured that it was time to put the bike away for a while. I have an 85 Honda Sabre (VF1100S) I fired it up and closed the fuel shutoff valve. I waited, and waited and waited. The engine kept on running. After about 5 minutes I gave up and packed it away without draining the carbs. Does anyone have any ideas about what gives here? Bill Elwell b.elwell@XXXXXX ===================================================================== My Kawasaki has a vacuum operated fuel shutoff valve. Fuel is always sent to the carbs as long as the motor is running. If the Honda has the same system, there should be a vacuum line leading into the shutoff valve. Personally, I just drain the floats without running the carbs out, though this may make Zen mechanics cringe ;-) Frank fegeorge@XXXXXX fgeorge@XXXXXX Reynolds Metals Company / Corporate Engineering "opinions are mine, ... address is my company's" From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 15 00:11:49 1995 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:12:27 GMT+200 From: FABIAN SMITH To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Organization: National Accelerator Center X-Mailer: WinPMail v1.0 (R1) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: urgent % echo unsubscribe / mail dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 15 00:47:17 1995 From: Dragbikes@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 00:47:14 -0500 To: FSMITH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: No Subject % echo unsubscribe / mail dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 15 09:57:20 1995 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 06:49:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: Youth Hostels In-reply-to: <199511140121.UAA16527@umbc9.umbc.edu> To: DC Cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I am thinking about taking a cross country trip from DC to Spokane WA to get to college next fall. I would like to travel light and stay cheap. I see that youth Hostels offer a group room where I could sleep in my sleeping bag and shower, cook, etc. for about $8 - $10 a night. Does anyone have experience with these youth hostels? Are they safe, quiet, and clean? from, Justin V. Laubach (JLaubach@XXXXXX) 92 Yamaha XJ600SD Seca II From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 15 10:21:50 1995 From: "skip farmer" Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:26:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Justin V. Laubach" "Youth Hostels" (Nov 15, 6:49am) X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.1 10apr95 MediaMail) To: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: Re: Youth Hostels Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When I biked in Australia I stayed in Hostels for most of the trip and they were great. On general I think the US ones are a little bigger and probably not as secure. There are some youth Hostel guides out and there is a Youth Hostel office in DC that should be able to give you a lot of info. Maybe check also with AAA and see if they have some saftey ratings. shadow 87' GS-450 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 15 10:22:19 1995 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:21:37 -0500 (EST) From: Janet Gunn To: "Justin V. Laubach" cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Youth Hostels In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Justin V. Laubach wrote: > I am thinking about taking a cross country trip from DC to Spokane WA to > get to college next fall. I would like to travel light and stay cheap. > I see that youth Hostels offer a group room where I could sleep in my > sleeping bag and shower, cook, etc. for about $8 - $10 a night. > Does anyone have experience with these youth hostels? Are they safe, > quiet, and clean? It may have changed, but it used to be that only people travelling via UNMOTORIZED transport were allowed to stay in youth hostels. Janet Gunn WERA, CCS, AHRMA (and ex-AAMRR) #671 MARRC#18 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 15 11:43:53 1995 From: sanjay@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Youth Hostels To: jlaubach@XXXXXX (Justin V. Laubach) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:42:00 -0500 (EST) Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Justin V. Laubach" at Nov 15, 95 06:49:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn2.7] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1109 > > I am thinking about taking a cross country trip from DC to Spokane WA to > get to college next fall. I would like to travel light and stay cheap. > I see that youth Hostels offer a group room where I could sleep in my > sleeping bag and shower, cook, etc. for about $8 - $10 a night. > Does anyone have experience with these youth hostels? Are they safe, > quiet, and clean? you may also try to stay at the camp grounds. state/park service run camps go for 6-8 $, national ones like KOA/sam goody go for 8-14$. the state/park service ones often do not have showers, but the good commerical ones have plenty of hot water and clean restrooms. one would ofcourse need a small tent or so along with the sleeping bag. in summer times it is not a problem with the weather and it is possible to get space in the private camp grounds without reservations. in places like black hills, SD dont bother going from state campground to campground they are full up in season. i liked camp grounds because i am near the bike and can take my time working on it and doing routine maintenance. sanjay From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 15 12:20:30 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:19:58 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Youth Hostels In a message dated 95-11-15 12:04:29 EST, sanjay@XXXXXX writes: >> >> I am thinking about taking a cross country trip from DC to Spokane WA to >> get to college next fall. I would like to travel light and stay cheap. >> I see that youth Hostels offer a group room where I could sleep in my >> sleeping bag and shower, cook, etc. for about $8 - $10 a night. >> Does anyone have experience with these youth hostels? Are they safe, >> quiet, and clean? > > I have never used a hostel here but stayed in them in Europe; sleep with your wallet. Also be prepared to hear groups of offkey young people singing KumBaYa in semi-harmony with a bad guitar. After a while I preferred sleeping in fields. Steve From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 15 20:37:23 1995 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 18:27:37 -0500 From: Warren Weiss Subject: CAM Ride??? Re: Anybody rode yesterday? In-Reply-To: Robert_Meyer@occshost.nlm.nih.gov "Re: Anybody rode yesterday?" (Nov 13, 9:01am) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Organization: Hughes-On-The-Beltway Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >> Did the normal CAM ride happen yesterday morning? I rode my goof2 up to MD >> to get my bagels.... > What, might I ask, is CAM? If anyone answered this question, I missed it. What is CAM? -- ******************************************************************************** Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 Hughes Information Technology Company Landover, MD Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 15 20:55:10 1995 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 20:55:39 -0500 From: eruiz@XXXXXX (Eduardo C. Ruiz) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: What to wear? I haven't been checking my mail so I didn't know you posted this: >Fog city shield. Does it work? Amazingly well. You won't believe it. Just make sure you very thoroughly clean the inside of your shield before attaching. Mine came off after two seasons but I'd buy a new one every month (in the winter, of course) if I had to. Fog City does work very well, as long as you install it correctly. Nothing works better. One thing they don't tell you about the Fog City is that it doesn't work as well with scratch resistent shields I used it for three years on two of my helmets with great results. When I moved up to an AGV with a SR shield, the Fog City would not adhere properlly. Oh well, to bad. About electric wear: Isn't all that radiation bad for you? What powers it? Does it require an additional power source or does it run off the battery? Wouldn't it drain the battery? What about when it rains, are there potential problems? Ed Ruiz '93 Honda NightHawk 750P From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 16 07:23:33 1995 From: "Hawkins, Kevin" Date: 16 Nov 95 07:24:00 -0500 Original-From: "Hawkins, Kevin" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: CAM Ride??? Re: Anybody rode yesterday? Original-Date: Thu Nov 16 07:24 EST 1995 Encoding: 9 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-Type: text > What, might I ask, is CAM? If anyone answered this question, I missed it. What is CAM? Hmmmm........lemme guess.....could it be Capital Area Motorcyclist? Kevin Hawkins khawkins@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 16 10:16:30 1995 From: "Begeman, Leon" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: What to wear? Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 10:16:00 est Encoding: 31 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >About electric wear: Isn't all that radiation bad for you? I've heard rumors about electric blankets being bad for you, but when I compare it to the danger of not having my full mental capacity due to hypothermia, or the danger of frostbite, or even the danger of riding a motorcycle in the first place, the low level radiation seems trivial. > What powers it? Does it require an additional power source or does it >run off the battery? Wouldn't it drain the battery? What about >when it rains, are there potential problems? Vests, gloves, chaps, socks, boot soles, handgrips etc. all plug into the bike's electrical system. A total electrical load of about 40 watts ought to be enough to keep you warm. That's about the same as one halogen driving light or two brake lights. I ride an '83 Honda CX650, it wasn't designed to handle the extra electrical loads that touring bikes are. I have battery charging problems if I run two extra tail lights, two extra brake lights, four side marker lights, two 55W halogen lights, an AM FM car radio and my electric clothing. I decided to give up the halogen driving lights and all works well. Water is a relatively poor conductor of electricity, the amperage of the electric clothes and the voltage available to push it through your body combine to make it unlikely that you could electrocute yourself. (Has anyone heard about anybody being electrocuted by grabbing both terminals of a 12 volt battery?) The problem when it rains is that the insulating properties of your clothes are severely compromised when they get wet. When soaking wet, I can stay warm on the parts of my body where the electric clothing is, but I lose so much heat from other parts of my body, that I get cold sooner if I get wet at 50 degrees than if it is 30 and dry. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 16 10:39:33 1995 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:40:41 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: kim@XXXXXX (Kim Bieler) X-Sender: kim@XXXXXX Subject: re: Youth Hostels Youth hostels are definitely the way to go. They're cheap, clean, friendly, and I don't think there's even an age limit any more. You will have to get a youth hostel card to get the lowest rates (some will let you stay there for a little bit more if you're not a AYH member). But membership entitles you to discounts at hostel stores and other places. It's also accepted at any hostel in the world. I haven't stayed at very many hostels in the States, but I imagine the prices very quite a lot depending on whether you're in downtown DC or in Bumfuck, Idaho. I believe in the summer you have to book a day ahead in most places, as well. Rumors of people singing KumBaYa off key are greatly exaggerated, however. Even the most tone deaf of us can sing _that_ song in tune. Good luck! ------------------------ Kim Bieler American Writing Corp. Washington, DC kim@XXXXXX '80 CB650 '90 FZR600 ------------------------ From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 16 13:34:42 1995 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:27:19 -0500 From: pmahoney@XXXXXX (K. Patrick Mahoney) To: B.Elwell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fuel Shutoff Problems Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > > Last weekend I figured that it was time to put the bike away for a while. I > have an 85 Honda Sabre (VF1100S) I fired it up and closed the fuel shutoff > valve. I waited, and waited and waited. The engine kept on running. After > about 5 minutes I gave up and packed it away without draining the carbs. Does > anyone have any ideas about what gives here? petcock valve on VF's are vacuum controlled. even if you bike did run one or two of the carbs completely dry when it stalled from running to lean you would likely still have fuel in at least 1 carb for the winter. rebuilding a VF carb set is NO FUN !! I would rather do 2 quadra jets or HOLLEY double pumppers from a door-slammer!! there is a drain screw on each carb , just use a long skinnny flat blade screw driver in good condition. a new screwdriver (even SNAP-ON) is MUCH cheaper then a carb job. that is the way HONDA designed it to work and like most thing they design it works as designed. K. Patrick Mahoney "CB750 The original SuperBike" From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 16 14:14:03 1995 To: "Begeman, Leon" cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: What to wear? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:16:00 EST." <30AB55C9@XXXXXX> X-uri: http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/harry/ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:14:02 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos >>About electric wear: Isn't all that radiation bad for you? > >I've heard rumors about electric blankets being bad for you, but when I >compare it to the danger of not having my full mental capacity due to >hypothermia, or the danger of frostbite, or even the danger of riding a >motorcycle in the first place, the low level radiation seems trivial. Electric blankets are powered by AC, and emit EMF radiation, whereas a vest powered by your bike's electrical system has a DC current coursing through its veins, and does not emit EMF radiation. At least this is how I understand it. To be honest, though my degree was in Electrical Engineering, I spent more time drinking cheap beer in the dorms and messing around with Unix than studying, and mostly faked my way through. :) -harry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Spoken: Harry Mantakos Domain: harry@XXXXXX UUCP: mimsy!harry Phone: 301-405-2750 USPS: U of Maryland, CS Dept., College Park, MD 20742 From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 16 15:19:11 1995 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: No Subject In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Nov 1995 00:47:14 EST." <951115004712_22894572@XXXXXX> X-uri: http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/harry/ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:19:10 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos >% echo unsubscribe / mail dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sigh, this is the computer equivalent of saying "Hello, Mr. or Mrs. insert customer's name, my name is state your name". You never unsubscribe from a mailing list by sending to it, there is always a separate administrative address for these requests, so that members of the list don't have to filter through them. To subscribe or unsubscribe from dc-cycles, please email the human at dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX, and he will process your request as promptly as he can. BTW, the recent discussions of insurance and the proper use of baklava sadly degenerated into textbook net slap fights, and generated a flurry of unsubscribe requests. I think this should be considered a vote of no confidence in this type of discourse by the members of dc-cycles. Relevant spirited debate is encouraged, but I suggest that we not turn this into yet another forum in which to publicly demonstrate our ability to textually slap each other around, there are plenty of other forums in which one can pursue this activity. -harry p.s. Those who find that placing a warm baklava on their face doesn't keep them warm enough should try pouring a bowl of piping hot avgolemono soup down their pants. YMMV. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Spoken: Harry Mantakos Domain: harry@XXXXXX UUCP: mimsy!harry Phone: 301-405-2750 USPS: U of Maryland, CS Dept., College Park, MD 20742 From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 16 15:23:28 1995 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:23:21 -0500 (EST) From: Marasco Newton Group To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: KumBaYa and the like In-Reply-To: <199511161540.KAA04153@periplum.cdinet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Nov 1995, Kim Bieler wrote: > Rumors of people singing KumBaYa off key are greatly > exaggerated, however. Even the most tone deaf of us can sing _that_ song in > tune. HA! Most people can't even sing Happy Birthday in tune. One sure fire way to stop the off-key, beatnick, sappy, 60s throw-back, "Free to be you and me", feel-good music stuff is to do what John Belushi did in "Animal House" when the guy is singing "I gave my love a cherry...." on the stairs during the toga party. Real party stopper. Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." CB-1, RZ350 From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 16 15:35:39 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:35:06 PST Subject: RE: What to wear? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > >About electric wear: Isn't all that radiation bad for you? >> I've heard rumors about electric blankets being bad for you, but when I The rumors are still not proven although there might be something bad about the low frequency EMI coming from electric power lines. Somebody claimed that only alternating current posed a risk. An electric vest is direct current. I do not know why the alternating would be the problem. Bottom line: I worry about getting squashed by a careless cage driver when riding my bike and driving my car. I worry about heart disease. I worry about violent crime. I don't worry about my electric vest. > > What powers it? Does it require an additional power source or does it > >run off the battery? Wouldn't it drain the battery? What about > >when it rains, are there potential problems? Most bikes can handle the load of an electric vest when riding at high rpm's. Turn it off in stop and go city driving. Turn it on when you're cruising steady at 30 or above. That should take care of the load. > Water is a relatively poor conductor of electricity, the amperage of the > electric clothes and the voltage available to push it through your body > combine to make it unlikely that you could electrocute yourself. (Has > anyone heard about anybody being electrocuted by grabbing both terminals of > a 12 volt battery?) While distilled water is a poor conductor, rain, river, and tap water are all excellent conductors because they are not pure. The wires in the vest are insulated. Even if the vest gets wet, the insulated wires prevent a short circuit. Even if there was no insulation, the vest's fuse would blow if water shorted out the system. I have never heard of an injury from an electric vest. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 16 16:34:25 1995 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 16:35:51 EST From: payter@XXXXXX (Payter Versteegen) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: No Subject Harry Mantakos said: * * >% echo unsubscribe / mail dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX * * Sigh, this is the computer equivalent of saying "Hello, * Mr. or Mrs. insert customer's name, my name is state your * name". * * You never unsubscribe from a mailing list by sending to it, * there is always a separate administrative address for these * requests, so that members of the list don't have to filter * through them. To subscribe or unsubscribe from dc-cycles, * please email the human at dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX, * and he will process your request as promptly as he can. * Well, you're right about the line being wrong, but emailing a human is still a dark-ages kind of action. The line *should* read: % echo unsubscribe dc-cycles | mail majordomo@XXXXXX This will unsubscribe you to the list. You're also right about why this issue would have come up in the first place; aka the "textbook net slap fights" (excellent term). :) Guess the problem has always been that sarcasm doesn't translate very well in simple text. That's what smilies are for, right? :) Hey, but this is a moto-group. I've finished the rebuild on my Honda (80 cb650c) and am really looking forward to riding it this winter. What's also cool is that the Kawi (80 kz440Ltd) is burning oil, so I get to take *it* apart, too! :) No sarcasm, just genuine anticipation of taking yet another bike apart! :) After that, a friend's race bike (a 750 gixer) gets an engine-enema :) and finally, maybe I can get to the (Honda) cb750k6. Anyone have one of these Honda 750's (as a parts bike) that can spare the left engine case and perhaps a seat? L8r, P8r. payter@XXXXXX =;) From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 16 19:21:53 1995 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:21:50 -0500 From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Administravia (was Re: No Subject) HM == Harry Mantakos said: HM> there is always a separate administrative address for [unsubscribe] HM> requests ... To subscribe or unsubscribe from dc-cycles, HM> please email the human at dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX, HM> and he will process your request as promptly as he can. PV == payter@XXXXXX (Payter Versteegen) PV> Well, you're right about the line being wrong, but emailing PV> a human is still a dark-ages kind of action. The line *should* read: PV> PV> % echo unsubscribe dc-cycles | mail majordomo@XXXXXX PV> PV> This will unsubscribe you to the list. ... Three things I'd note regarding Payter's reply: 1) This line would need to be typed at the command prompt on a UNIX machine to work, not be included in the text of a mail message to either dc-cycles or dc-cycles-request. It would then work *if* dc-cycles were a majordomo list. 2) To the best of my knowedge, dc-cycles is *not* a majordomo list. I believe it is merely a mail alias executed as a sendmail exploder on a file of subscribers, maintained manually by the listowner. This is how I run balt-cycles, originating from the same site. It is the preferred method here, or at least when I was setting up my list. Yes, it's "dark-ages" but it works. I'm not *positive* about dc-cycles. 3) One thing that I *am* positive about is that the way Harry says to (un)subscribe (from)to the list is the way to do it. Being the listowner for the dc-cycles list and the person on the other end of the dc-cycles-request email box, I'd think him eminently qualified as the resident expert on the subject. Sorry Harry, but you're busted! :-) (It's public info - see "DC-CYCLES" on http://mom.isc-br.com/WL/mmlo.txt) ObMoto: I need a stock style decal kit for my '72 Kawi H2. Does anybody know of a place making decent reproductions? No, they are not available through Kawasaki. Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt, leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! AMA, ICOA, Lemans, KTC, DoD #224 | I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" HON: 82 CBX, 79 CX500C, 76 CJ360 |________--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" SUZ: 82 GS850G, 76 RE5, 2-75 RE5 KAW: 72 H2 "More bikes than brains!" From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 17 00:57:36 1995 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:57:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: New Speed Limits (or lack thereof) To: DC Cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey all, Does anyone know what the VA and MD speed limits before the National Speed Limit was enacted (74?)? It looks like Congress will give control back to states very soon (as soon as next week even). If this happens, has anyone heard about what VA and MD will do about speed limits? I read that 9 states already passed state legislation to increase speed limits as soon as allowed! Montana will get rid of all daytime interstate speed limits!!!! from, Justin V. Laubach (JLaubach@XXXXXX) 92 Yamaha Seca II From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 17 09:47:02 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 06:47:12 PST Subject: Re: New Speed Limits (or lack thereof) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > that 9 states already passed state legislation to increase speed limits > as soon as allowed! Montana will get rid of all daytime interstate speed > limits!!!! Cool! I live about a hundred miles from Montana. Wonder how stable the Wing is at 100mph. In an Idaho GWRRA newsletter, A couple told how Ken Lyon ran their stock GL1500 at the Bonneville Salt Flats. His GL1500 streamliner broke and he could not get a refund on the entry fee so... They said "wanna run a stock Gold Wing?" He said "Why not?" He made an official time of 105 mph. Gee if I can go that fast legally, maybe I need something more streamlined.... hmm....ST1100, BMW RS, ... North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 17 10:28:22 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 10:27:50 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Speed Limits (or lack thereof) The unlimited speed limit in Montana is an interesting thing and I plan to take advantage of it again someday. I was driving through there some years back doing about 85 and was passed by, of all things, a VW Beetle (modified) doing easily 100+. Ten minutes later we came across same Beetle upside down in the median. It was noon on a beautiful day. While in an abstract legal sense we are all created equal, our cars and bikes are not. While I would feel very comfortable cruising at 140 all day in a 500 series Mercedes or a 750il, I would be taking up a new religion if I were anywhere near a rusted out 73 F150 doing 85 on the interstate. As everyone on this list drives a new R1100RS or a new 600 SEL, we have nothing to worry about as far as our own conduct is concerned. But imagine doing 60 in Montana in the rain and fog and seeing that rust bucket F150 50 feet behind you doing 85, legally... your ABS just isn't going to slow him down in time. Steve R65 From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 17 11:46:24 1995 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:47:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: kim@XXXXXX (Kim Bieler) X-Sender: kim@XXXXXX Subject: a [very small] adventure Here's a little adventure I had last night: I was rescuing my bike from metered street parking at about 6:30 and the darned thing wouldn't start. Naturally, I assumed the battery was a little low (it being so cold, and all), so I let it sit a bit and kept trying. No dice. Of course, by that time, I'd flooded the engine, etc., getting kind of frustrated, feeling somewhat cold and annoyed. Eventually, the owner of the Nighthawk next to me showed up and offered to try and get my bike started with his battery (thank you _very_ much, whoever you are). The funny thing was that he already had his bike started, but he disconnected the battery with the bike running anyway [I though this was a major no-no]. And it kept running! I asked him if he had an extra battery or something, but he said it was running off the alternator [?!]. Of course, his battery didn't fit into my little FZR box, and the terminals were facing the other way, so one of the leads didn't reach. Damned if he didn't use a screwdriver to complete the circuit and then hold it down with his bare hand while I turned on the ignition! I was amazed. I guess 12 volts really won't kill you. ------------------------ Kim Bieler American Writing Corp. Washington, DC kim@XXXXXX '80 CB650 '90 FZR600 ------------------------ From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 17 12:26:36 1995 In-Reply-To: <405E736501D9C1AA> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 12:26:48 -0500 From: "Norwicke, Glenn" Sender: "Norwicke, Glenn" Organization: APA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a [very small] adventure X-mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway I have a questions about this. I have always been told that once your bike was started you could disconnect the battery and it would still run. I had an 88 Magna that had a neg cable that was loose and the bike would sputter until I tightened it. I have an 93 CBR that I let sit for a week with the alarm on and it drained the battery. So I bump started it (pushed it and let out the clutch in 3rd gear) and went for a ride. I had just exited the Beltway and I was sitting at the light and the thing just died. I bump started it again but it would not stay running. It was daylight so I pulled the headlight fuse out and rode it home. I let the bike run and disconnected the battery. Thinking that if the alt was bad it wouldn't run at all. Well it would run fine at idle but if I gave it some throttle it would sputter. I am confused since both of my Honda's seem to run off the battery beyond idle. This does not make sense to me. Btw I charged the CBR's battery and I have not had a problem since. Glenn *********Original Message Follows******************************************** Here's a little adventure I had last night: I was rescuing my bike from metered street parking at about 6:30 and the darned thing wouldn't start. Naturally, I assumed the battery was a little low (it being so cold, and all), so I let it sit a bit and kept trying. No dice. Of course, by that time, I'd flooded the engine, etc., getting kind of frustrated, feeling somewhat cold and annoyed. Eventually, the owner of the Nighthawk next to me showed up and offered to try and get my bike started with his battery (thank you _very_ much, whoever you are). The funny thing was that he already had his bike started, but he disconnected the battery with the bike running anyway [I though this was a major no-no]. And it kept running! I asked him if he had an extra battery or something, but he said it was running off the alternator [?!]. Of course, his battery didn't fit into my little FZR box, and the terminals were facing the other way, so one of the leads didn't reach. Damned if he didn't use a screwdriver to complete the circuit and then hold it down with his bare hand while I turned on the ignition! I was amazed. I guess 12 volts really won't kill you. ------------------------ Kim Bieler American Writing Corp. Washington, DC kim@XXXXXX '80 CB650 '90 FZR600 ------------------------ ------------------------[ SMTP header ]---------------------- | Return-Path: | Received: from krishna.cs.UMD.EDU by email.apa.org | via Connect2-SMTP 4.00 (0000207); Fri, 17 Nov 95 12:09:58 -0500 | Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU | by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) | id LAA16654; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:46:24 -0500 | Received: from periplum.cdinet.com | by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) | id LAA15728; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:46:22 -0500 | Received: from [198.77.80.55] ([198.77.80.55]) by periplum.cdinet.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA13568 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:47:32 -0500 | Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:47:32 -0500 | Message-Id: <199511171647.LAA13568@XXXXXX> | To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX | From: kim@XXXXXX (Kim Bieler) | X-Sender: kim@XXXXXX | Subject: a [very small] adventure ------------------------------------------------------------- *********End of Original Message******************************************** From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 17 15:22:03 1995 From: "Begeman, Leon" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: New Speed Limits (or lack thereof) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 15:21:00 est Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 There was an article in the _Journal_ yesterday where 1) Sen. Warner expressed his opposition to the bill 2) Several state Delegates and Senators indicated that the legislation to increase the speed limits in Virginia would pass the legislature. Leon. ---------- > >Does anyone know what the VA and MD speed limits before the National >Speed Limit was enacted (74?)? It looks like Congress will give control >back to states very soon (as soon as next week even). If this happens, >has anyone heard about what VA and MD will do about speed limits? I read >that 9 states already passed state legislation to increase speed limits >as soon as allowed! Montana will get rid of all daytime interstate speed >limits!!!! > > >from, >Justin V. Laubach >(JLaubach@XXXXXX) >92 Yamaha Seca II > From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 18 00:28:42 1995 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 00:22:14 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: New Speed Limits (or lack thereof) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Nah,I don't think they'll ever up the speed limits with the beltway. Too good a source of revenue.;-) Just read the article on highway robbery in the latest issue of MotorCyclist. gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S2 Thunder(un)bolt GATB#1121 "aah!...it's the Rapture!...quick,throw the 4th Ed out the window!" "But pessimism IS realism!" D.L.Bahr From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 18 00:46:03 1995 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 00:24:25 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: a [very small] adventure To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199511171647.LAA13568@periplum.cdinet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Kim, It's not the volts that fry you,it's the amps!Seriously though,you're safe as long as you don't make yourself part of the circuit.The main purpose of the battery is to spin the starter motor.It also helps with ancillary systems like the lights and accessories.My father's trials bike has no battery,just a magneto with a kick start. The reason a bike might not run with a drained battery,or one with a dead cell,is that it puts a drain on the rest of the system.A guy I knew in Texas messed up the electrical system in his Katana because rather than replace his battery(which had a bad cell) he just kept bump-starting it. It finally fried his charging system. gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S2 Thunder(un)bolt GATB#1121 "aah!...it's the Rapture!...quick,throw the 4th Ed out the window!" "But pessimism IS realism!" D.L.Bahr From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 19 17:01:39 1995 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 17:04:00 -0500 (EST) From: "David O'Neill" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Good roads between DC & Orlando? (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all- a friend and I are riding from Washington, D.C. to Orlando, FL and back over 12/28/95 - 1/3/96. We were thinking of taking 13 down the DelMarVa Penninsula to 17. any opinions on alternate routes/must sees? any feed back will be appreciated. Dave '93 ZX-11D '89 HawkGT '80 GS450E From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 19 17:29:44 1995 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 95 17:10:38 EST X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Frank George" Subject: re:RE: New Speed Limits (or lack thereof) >Does anyone know what the VA and MD speed limits before the National >Speed Limit was enacted (74?)? If memory serves, here in Richmond I-95 posted 70mph for all vehicles. I don't remember if the limit decreased as you entered DC. Frank fegeorge@XXXXXX fgeorge@XXXXXX Reynolds Metals Company / Corporate Engineering "opinions are mine, ... address is my company's" From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 19 17:32:31 1995 From: Dark Hacker Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 17:32:27 -0500 (EST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The oncoming ice age... This Sunday I had what must have been one of the best rides of my life. The weather, although cold and a little windy, was gorgeous. And everything on the bike just clicked together so beautifully. My counterstear and lean, decisions in traffic and every interaction with the bike flowed naturally and flawlessly. It's exactly the same kind of feeling that horseback riders have when the horse is quiet and horse and rider work together as one. Yeah, I'm so pleased with myself. It was cold however. Real cold. I mean F***G FREEZING! If I do anymore riding this year it's going to be with a lot more clothing than I had this time around (leather jacket, jeans, t-shirt, gloves). I'm definately envying those folks with one-piece electrically heated riding suits. I didn't see a single biker on the road today and now I know why. Bbrrrrrrrrrrr.... I did encounter a problem starting the bike however, and this has me a little worried. It took me several turns of the starter to get the engine to turn over. And even after the bike was warmed up, I couldn't maintain an idle about 2K RPM. Only after repeated tries and a little time sitting with the engine idling in the parking lot did I manage to get the bike going and enough power to keep it going. I stopped at a resteraunt after riding a while and after letting it sit for an hour, encountered the same problem. And the Neutral, Oil and other indicators were rather weak... Rrrr rrr rrrr rrr ... ker-thunk (oil light) Rrrr rrr rrrr rrr ... ker-thunk (oil light) Rrrr rrr rrrr rrr ... ker-thunk (oil light) Rrrr rrr rrrr rrr ... ker-thunk (oil light) Rrrr rrr rrrrr rrrr vvvrrrrroooooooooommmmmm (finally!) Now, the bike hasn't been ridden for close to a month so I suspect that the battery has run down. This sounds like a particulalry appealing explanation considering the cold weather. Is there anything else that I should look at? I was getting a little bit of smoke out the tailpipes but nothing particularly unusual. My chain is also developing some rust over that month of inactivity so I think I'll lube it again and clean all the old gunk off the sprocket. I'm told that kerosene will dry out my O-rings so I'll just lube the chain over. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 19 20:02:39 1995 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:02:39 -0500 From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re:RE: New Speed Limits (or lack thereof) > Does anyone know what the VA and MD speed limits before the National > Speed Limit was enacted (74?)? My vague recollections are that the Beltway was 60mph except for the twisties in Mont. Co., which have always been 55mph. I was only ~13 at the time, so my memories aren't based on personal experience. ;-) I *do* remember that Indian Head Highway in western PG County (MD-210) was 60mph, and how slow that seemed after returning from trips to the midwest where the posted speeds were 80mph on the Interstates. Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt, leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! AMA, ICOA, Lemans, KTC, DoD #224 | I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" HON: 82 CBX, 79 CX500C, 76 CJ360 |________--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" SUZ: 82 GS850G, 76 RE5, 2-75 RE5 KAW: 72 H2 "More bikes than brains!" From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 06:49:53 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 03:50:42 PST Subject: Re: The oncoming ice age... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > I had this time around (leather jacket, jeans, t-shirt, gloves). I'm > definately envying those folks with one-piece electrically heated > riding suits. An electric vest, thermal underwear, and insulated overalls make a big difference and will give you the most warmth for the buck. > I did encounter a problem starting the bike however, and this has me a > little worried. It took me several turns of the starter to get the > engine to turn over. And even after the bike was warmed up, I couldn't > maintain an idle about 2K RPM. Only after repeated tries and a little > time sitting with the engine idling in the parking lot did I manage to > get the bike going and enough power to keep it going. > > I stopped at a resteraunt after riding a while and after letting it sit > for an hour, encountered the same problem. And the Neutral, Oil and > other indicators were rather weak... > > Now, the bike hasn't been ridden for close to a month so I suspect that > the battery has run down. This sounds like a particulalry appealing > explanation considering the cold weather. Is there anything else that It sounds like a weak battery to me. Perhaps it was just discharged from sitting for a month. You did not say how far you rode before you stopped at the restaurant. When my Wing's battery is discharged, it takes up to 60 miles of highway riding to bring the charge back to full. Maybe the battery is marginal, good enough for warm weather but not for cold. Charge it up completely and test the voltage under load. Load test: 1) charge battery fully. 2) Install in bike. 3) Turn kill switch to "Off" so the engine will not start. 4) connect voltmeter to battery leads. Voltage will be 12 -12.5 volts. 5) Hold down starter button for 5 - 7 seconds and watch the voltage drop on the meter. A good battery will not drop below 10.5 volts. A marginal battery will drop to 9.5. I replace my batteries when they get to 9.5 volts during this test. I could get more use out of them but since I ride far and wide, I want assurance that I can start the bike to get home. Also my budget allows buying a new battery every two years. > I should look at? I was getting a little bit of smoke out the > tailpipes but nothing particularly unusual. What color was the smoke? On a cold day, steam will come out of the pipes for miles after starting the engine. How much and how long depends upon the humidity and temperature. You might blow steam for fifteen miles under certain conditions. If it goes away after fifteen miles of highway riding, don't worry about it. If if does not go away, see if you are losing coolant if you ride a water-cooled bike. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 06:54:53 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 03:55:31 PST Subject: re:RE: New Speed Limits (or lack thereof) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > > Does anyone know what the VA and MD speed limits before the National > > Speed Limit was enacted (74?)? > > My vague recollections are that the Beltway was 60mph except for the > twisties in Mont. Co., which have always been 55mph. I was only ~13 > at the time, so my memories aren't based on personal experience. ;-) My fuzzy memory claims that parts of the VA Beltway were 70 but most of it was lower. I'm pretty sure that the "Rollar Coaster" between Wisconson Ave and Connecticut was posted at 50 until the road improvements around 5 years ago. That gives it the distinction of being the only stretch of D.C. area highway to increase its speed limit since 1974. They say that the memory is the first to go, but I don't know where... North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 07:04:50 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 04:05:44 PST Subject: Re: New Speed Limits (or lack thereof) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > I was driving through there some years back doing about 85 and was passed > by, of all > things, a VW Beetle (modified) doing easily 100+. Ten minutes later we > came across same Beetle upside down in the median. It was noon on a > beautiful > day. Good point. The only counter point that I would offer is that careless people drive this fast now. Radar and laser detectors let them get away with it most of the time. Plus I don't really believe any state would really allow 100 mph. But then I was wrong predicting the OJ verdict and the government shutdown... Regardless of the speed limit, weather, nighttime, and traffic conditions require the safe driver to slow down under many conditions. On a rain-slick rush hour, 55 is recklessly fast. And look at all the cars, especially four wheel drive trucks, in the ditches along snow-covered corners. I would never ride 65 on Montana's I-90 ascending Lookout Pass: too many curves and critters. I would feel safe with higher speed limits if the police will turn their enforcement efforts from speed limits to reckless driving. I won't expect this though. Reckless driving is harder to prove in court than exceeding a numerical limit. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 07:09:51 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 04:10:34 PST Subject: Re: a [very small] adventure Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > whoever you are). The funny thing was that he already had his bike started, > but he disconnected the battery with the bike running anyway [I though this > was a major no-no]. And it kept running! I asked him if he had an extra > battery or something, but he said it was running off the alternator Depends upon the bike. I believe the Honda GL1500 and many other bikes will not run with the battery disconnected. Some bikes, like your benefactor's Nighthawk, are still simple. > didn't use a screwdriver to complete the circuit and then hold it down with > his bare hand while I turned on the ignition! I was amazed. I guess 12 > volts really won't kill you. If he had touched the frame of the bike and completed the circuit through his body, I am sure he would have jumped in the air with a funny expression on his face. Birds sit on high voltage lines without any problem unless they touch the utility pole and ground themselves. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 08:14:42 1995 From: Matt Bennett Subject: Re: a [very small] adventure/ 12V To: DIMON@XXXXXX (Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:12:47 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <7118D929DE@bayview.dt.navy.mil> from "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" at Nov 20, 95 04:10:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Depends upon the bike. I believe the Honda GL1500 and many other > bikes will not run with the battery disconnected. Some bikes, like > your benefactor's Nighthawk, are still simple. Most bikes should idle, but it depends on the complexity of the ignition and the abilites of the alternator. What you will get is a not-very filtered 12 supply to to the spark and related stuff. The bike may not run well much beyond idle, because of the increased load caused by having to make more sparks happen. A bike like a GL1500 with all its ancillary electronics would probably quit when disconnected, because all those electronics would drop the voltage out of the alternatorbelow the point where the bike would run. The battery of a running bike serves two purposes: smooth out the voltage and provide a current source when the alternator is lacking. At idle the black magic of electromagnetism can keep the bike running. > > > didn't use a screwdriver to complete the circuit and then hold it down with > > his bare hand while I turned on the ignition! I was amazed. I guess 12 > > volts really won't kill you. > > If he had touched the frame of the bike and completed the circuit > through his body, I am sure he would have jumped in the air with a > funny expression on his face. Birds sit on high voltage lines without > any problem unless they touch the utility pole and ground themselves. Yeah, and the birds are sitting on multi-thousand volt lines. And don't give me the normal c*** about 'It ain't the volts, its the amps...' Ohms law rules here If you don't have the volts, you can't get the Amps. Underwriters Labs, a notoriously conservative safety organization, does not require 12V to be insulated. You can feel 12 volts but only under extreme circumstances, such as after coating your hands with a conducting gel or bathing in salt water. Even then the typical resistance of the human body is 10K ohms minimum, Which from 12V can only put 1.2 milli amps through your body. So even if your battery can put out 500 Amps, it will never be able to. Given these conditions, a 12V stack of AAA cells is exactly as dangerous as an enormous car battery. Be afraid of other things, like cops and GEICO and ice and Volvos, *not* batteries. Matt mjb@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 08:22:19 1995 From: steveb@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:24:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New Speed Limits (or lack thereof) *** ORIGINATED BY ON 03:21PM 11/17/1995 *** There was an article in the _Journal_ yesterday where 1) Sen. Warner expressed his opposition to the bill 2) Several state Delegates and Senators indicated that the legislation to increase the speed limits in Virginia would pass the legislature. Leon. ---------- > >Does anyone know what the VA and MD speed limits before the National >Speed Limit was enacted (74?)? It looks like Congress will give control >back to states very soon (as soon as next week even). If this happens, >has anyone heard about what VA and MD will do about speed limits? I read >that 9 states already passed state legislation to increase speed limits >as soon as allowed! Montana will get rid of all daytime interstate speed >limits!!!! > > >from, >Justin V. Laubach >(JLaubach@XXXXXX) >92 Yamaha Seca II > *** ANNOTATED BY STEVEB ON 08:24AM 11/20/1995 *** Please take note of this pea brain Senator Warner and think about booting his sorry ass out of office during the next election. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 09:30:08 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:29:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The oncoming ice age... I think I made a big mistake. I stopped by Cycle Sport in Herndon and discovered that they are now a Triumph dealer. The bikes are really, really nice. Steve From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 09:51:28 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 09:48:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: What to wear? >About electric wear: Isn't all that radiation bad for you? NO! The possible (certainly not proven) problems associated with electric fields are related to AC (alternating current). Electric clothes run on DC (direct current). From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 09:58:12 1995 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:58:06 -0500 (EST) From: Marasco Newton Group To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re:RE: New Speed Limits (or lack thereof) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 19 Nov 1995, Frank George wrote: > >Does anyone know what the VA and MD speed limits before the National > >Speed Limit was enacted (74?)? > > If memory serves, here in Richmond I-95 posted 70mph for all vehicles. I > don't remember if the limit decreased as you entered DC. It decreases due to the myriad of overturned trucks on the 2 mile stretch prior to the Beltway. Doesn't pick up again until after Baltimore. Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." CB-1, RZ350 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 10:00:23 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 09:58:00 EST To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: New Speed Limits (or lack thereof) >Does anyone know what the VA and MD speed limits before the National >Speed Limit was enacted (74?)? It looks like Congress will give control >back to states very soon (as soon as next week even). If this happens, >has anyone heard about what VA and MD will do about speed limits? I read >that 9 states already passed state legislation to increase speed limits >as soon as allowed! Montana will get rid of all daytime interstate speed >limits!!!! The speed limit varied from place to place and time to time. On *most* of the interstates in Maryland, for most of the time I was living there before the 55, the limit was 70. In some places it was actually as high as 75. The beltway was 70, mostly, but dropped down in the "roller coaster" (to 60 if I remember correctly, but I'm fuzzy on that). The beltway in PG county was actually at 75 for a while, but they ended up dropping it down to 70 fairly quickly. An interesting bit of history: When the stretch of I-95 from the Maryland beltway to Baltimore opened the speed limit was 75mph. The road was designed, however, with the expectation that speed limits would continue to rise, so it was planned for eventual speeds of 80 to 85 mph! With the traffic on it today, it's hard to average 70, much less higher. Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 10:10:43 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 10:07:00 EST Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: a [very small] adventure/ 12V >Most bikes should idle, but it depends on the complexity of the >ignition and the abilites of the alternator. What you will get is a >not-very filtered 12 supply to to the spark and related stuff. The >bike may not run well much beyond idle, because of the increased load >caused by having >to make more sparks happen. A bike like a GL1500 with all its >ancillary electronics would probably quit when disconnected, because >all those electronics would drop the voltage out of the >alternatorbelow the point where the bike would run. The battery of a >running bike serves two purposes: smooth out the voltage and provide >a current source when the alternator is lacking. At idle the black >magic of electromagnetism can keep the bike running. Sorry, but this is backwards. An alternator makes much *more* current at higher rpm. Try disconnecting the alternator and running the bike on the battery. It will start, but it won't run long, and it sure won't rev. When the alternator is "lacking" is at low rpm, not high. That's when the battery fills it. After rpms come up, the alternator puts out enough current to both run the bike and charge the battery. A bike like a 'Wing probably won't run off the alternator at idle NOT because there isn't enough current (although with all the stuff on a 'Wing this might be true. It probably dies because that's the way Honda wired it. One other point: It is NOT a good idea to run your bike without the battery for long (unless of course the bike has a magneto and is designed to run without a battery). The output of the alternator/rectifier combination is not a steady flow. The bikes manufacturer relies on the battery to smooth the flow. Running of the alternator alone, you can get spikes which can cause premature wear of numerous electrical components. Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 10:11:49 1995 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 10:11:40 EST X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Frank George" Subject: re:RE: New Speed Limits (or lack thereof) ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- On Sun, 19 Nov 1995, Frank George wrote: > >Does anyone know what the VA and MD speed limits before the National > >Speed Limit was enacted (74?)? > > If memory serves, here in Richmond I-95 posted 70mph for all vehicles. I > don't remember if the limit decreased as you entered DC. ===================================================================== BTW apologies if my message posted multiple times. Our mail server appeared to be on the fritz yesterday, and was telling me that no messages were sent. Frank George fegeorge@XXXXXX fgeorge@XXXXXX Reynolds Metals Company / Corporate Engineering "opinions are mine, ... blah blah blah" From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 10:12:01 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 10:09:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: The oncoming ice age... >I think I made a big mistake. I stopped by Cycle Sport in Herndon >and discovered that >they are now a Triumph dealer. The bikes are really, really nice. >Steve And really, really, expensive! Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 10:21:01 1995 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:20:48 -0500 (EST) From: Marasco Newton Group To: Dark Hacker cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The oncoming ice age... In-Reply-To: <199511192232.RAA21420@clark.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 19 Nov 1995, Dark Hacker wrote: > My chain is also developing some rust over that month of inactivity > so I think I'll lube it again and clean all the old gunk off the > sprocket. I'm told that kerosene will dry out my O-rings so I'll > just lube the chain over. Your chain is not developing rust because of inactivity but instead because it must be bone dry. I don't want to preach here but chain lubing is too easy to be lazy about, even with O-ring chains. It may have been rusting before but the rust was being continually scraped/thrown off. Lubing your chain every 200-300 miles is an easy way to extend its life and perhaps your own. I lube it at the end of a given ride so it has time to penetrate the warm chain and to reduce fling. Sorry if I've stated the obvious. Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." CB-1, RZ350 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 11:42:03 1995 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 11:40:22 EST From: acoope00@XXXXXX (Andrew Cooper -- Arent Fox - Washington ) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Long cold storage How much trouble will it cause to leave a bike alone for a couple of months? I know that the battery will run down, etc. -- but will any *permanent* damage result? Will adding gas stabilizer make a difference? Will pulling out the battery? Thanks, all! From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 12:36:26 1995 From: Dark Hacker Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:36:17 -0500 (EST) To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX, DIMON@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Speed Limits (or lack thereof) From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Subject: Re: New Speed Limits (or lack thereof) I would feel safe with higher speed limits if the police will turn their enforcement efforts from speed limits to reckless driving. I won't expect this though. Reckless driving is harder to prove in court than exceeding a numerical limit. Yes! Raw speed isn't the problem. It's the speed differential between cars and the idiots that insist on swerving in and out of traffic just to make it to their destination a whole 5 seconds faster. I say put those reckless drivers away and forget about victemless "policy violations" like speeding. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 12:41:51 1995 From: Dark Hacker Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:41:44 -0500 (EST) To: SRFox@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The oncoming ice age... From: SRFox@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The coming ice age... I think I made a big mistake. I stopped by Cycle Sport in Herndon and discovered that they are now a Triumph dealer. The bikes are really, really nice. Yeah, just heard this from a friend of mine (whose a Triumph afficienado) last night. Fortunately I never caught the Triumph bug. Just lusting after a ZX-7 or ZX-11. Forunately my bank account can't handle any of the above. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 12:52:30 1995 From: "skip farmer" Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:20:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: acoope00@counsel.com (Andrew Cooper -- Arent Fox - Washington ) "Long cold storage" (Nov 20, 11:40am) X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.1 10apr95 MediaMail) To: acoope00@XXXXXX (Andrew Cooper -- Arent Fox - Washington ) Subject: Re: Long cold storage Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When leaving a bike for a couple of months I generally do a couple of things: Drain the gas tank and then fill it with fresh gas. Put a little bit of oil on the spark plugs. Stand it on its center stand. This is mainly to try to keep the tires off of cold concrete. The tire can be adversely affected if it just sits in one spot for to long. Remove the battery and store it inside. And, of course, if it is outside, cover it. The fresh gas you put in should be good for a couple of months. Gas Stabil can be used but I don't always use it. I have done the above several times over the past 7 years on my bike and each time I put the battery back on it starts right up (ok maybe I charge the battery a little). shadow 87' GS-450 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 12:53:07 1995 From: Dark Hacker Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:52:59 -0500 (EST) To: mng@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The oncoming ice age... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Marasco Newton Group Subject: Re: The oncoming ice age... was being continually scraped/thrown off. Lubing your chain every 200-300 miles is an easy way to extend its life and perhaps your own. I lube it at the end of a given ride so it has time to penetrate the warm chain and to reduce fling. Someone once told me that I should lube the chain after EVERY ride. I've also heard "every weekend" and "every X miles." Guess I'll just do what Honda recommends and then some. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 13:19:36 1995 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:19:12 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman X-Sender: morris@geni34 To: skip farmer Cc: Andrew Cooper -- Arent Fox - Washington , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Long cold storage In-Reply-To: <9511201220.ZM12148@shadow.clubfed.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You may want to be REAL careful with the new gasolines with MTBE. I was following a thread on a boating mailing list. The new gasolines only have a life of 60-90 days. On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, skip farmer wrote: > When leaving a bike for a couple of months I generally do a couple of things: > > Drain the gas tank and then fill it with fresh gas. > Put a little bit of oil on the spark plugs. > Stand it on its center stand. This is mainly to try to keep the tires off of > cold concrete. The tire can be adversely affected if it just sits in one spot > for to long. > Remove the battery and store it inside. > And, of course, if it is outside, cover it. > > The fresh gas you put in should be good for a couple of months. Gas Stabil can > be used but I don't always use it. I have done the above several times over the > past 7 years on my bike and each time I put the battery back on it starts right > up (ok maybe I charge the battery a little). > > shadow > > > 87' GS-450 > > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, morris@XXXXXX, http://lamp0.arl.mil:8080/~morris MSB, PFD, WTD, ARL <-- Obviously a Government Employee Yamaha XJ550M [Yorick] (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 14:03:08 1995 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:04:08 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: kim@XXXXXX (Kim Bieler) X-Sender: kim@XXXXXX Subject: winter oil Speaking of winter riding, does anyone out there have strong feelings about using lighter [?] oil in the winter? Or does it not get cold enough in DC to justify it? I've been having trouble starting my bike in the mornings and am wondering whether changing the oil would make any difference. My Clymer's says to use 20/40 at 40F and above, and 10/30 below 40F. ------------------------ Kim Bieler American Writing Corp. Washington, DC kim@XXXXXX '80 CB650 '90 FZR600 ------------------------ From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 14:41:43 1995 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 14:43:08 EST From: payter@XXXXXX (Payter Versteegen) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: winter oil * From: kim@XXXXXX (Kim Bieler) * Speaking of winter riding, does anyone out there have strong feelings about * using lighter [?] oil in the winter? Or does it not get cold enough in DC * to justify it? * * I've been having trouble starting my bike in the mornings and am wondering * whether changing the oil would make any difference. My Clymer's says to use * 20/40 at 40F and above, and 10/30 below 40F. *My* 80 CB650C doesn't like the thicker oil in this weather, either. Last winter I used 10W30, but by the end of the cold season, but before the bike rolled into the next 3k oil-change interval, the engine just felt a bit abnormally warm. Maybe it was just the weather warming up, and not the bike, but I'm gonna stick to 10W40 this time, at least until I start it on a synthetic regimen. 20W was too thick, 10W was fine. I wonder how the 15W/50 (Mobil 1) will fare throughout next year. L8r, P8r. payter@XXXXXX =;) From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 15:33:10 1995 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 15:44:31 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Re: winter oil I use Mobil 1 synthetic (15W-50) and this is one of the reasons. At cold temperatures, it still flows well, when petroleum-based oils are just goo. If you can't justify the expense of synthetic oil (about $3.75/quart) then I'd say use the lightest multi-weight oil the MANUFACTURER recommends for your bike. Chris Norloff >Speaking of winter riding, does anyone out there have strong feelings about >using lighter [?] oil in the winter? Or does it not get cold enough in DC >to justify it? > >I've been having trouble starting my bike in the mornings and am wondering >whether changing the oil would make any difference. My Clymer's says to use >20/40 at 40F and above, and 10/30 below 40F. >------------------------ > Kim Bieler > American Writing Corp. > Washington, DC > kim@XXXXXX > '80 CB650 '90 FZR600 >------------------------ > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 15:39:16 1995 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 15:50:34 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Charging problems Anybody help me with this? -- My bike's charging system just barely runs the headlight, and can't run my electric vest. With no headlight, the voltage across the battery terminals gets up to 13.6 V, like it should. With the headlight on, the voltage never rises above 12.7 V, and with the headlight and electric vest both on, the voltage never gets above 11.7 V. Which must be why it died on me yesterday :-o The bike is "new", a 1982 CB750F with 3,000 miles (really!). The previous bike like this that I had could run the electric vest just fine. The battery is supposed to be new, and looks new, but the bike sat a lot with the previous owner. The battery did take a full charge and hold it, previously. So, is the problem in the voltage regulator, in that it won't let enough juice into the battery? Or could it be the battery, which sucks too much out of the electrical system? I'm assuming for the time being, that the alternator is okay. thanks, Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 17:56:09 1995 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:54:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: Re: The oncoming ice age... In-reply-to: To: Marasco Newton Group Cc: Dark Hacker , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > and perhaps your own. I lube it at the end of a given ride so it has time > to penetrate the warm chain and to reduce fling. Sorry if I've stated > the obvious. > If you lube the chain after a ride, can you just put the bike away? Or is it better to let it sit for a minute and then ride again to distribute the lube? From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 18:16:00 1995 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:15:55 -0500 (EST) From: Marasco Newton Group To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The oncoming ice age... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Justin V. Laubach wrote: > > > and perhaps your own. I lube it at the end of a given ride so it has time > > to penetrate the warm chain and to reduce fling. Sorry if I've stated > > the obvious. > > > If you lube the chain after a ride, can you just put the bike away? Or > is it better to let it sit for a minute and then ride again to > distribute the lube? I work the lube in buy spinning the wheel with my hand a few times. A centerstand is handy for this. If you go riding right away the only place you distribute the lube is on your rim and chain guard. I have lubed and left it for days at time and the bike is always nice and moist anticipating my mounting it. Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." CB-1, RZ350 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 22:01:44 1995 From: Dark Hacker Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 22:01:26 -0500 (EST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mng@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The oncoming ice age... Cc: masque@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 20 19:26 EST 1995 From: Marasco Newton Group Subject: Re: The oncoming ice age... I work the lube in buy spinning the wheel with my hand a few times. A centerstand is handy for this. If you go riding right away the only place you distribute the lube is on your rim and chain guard. I have lubed and left it for days at time and the bike is always nice and moist anticipating my mounting it. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm... - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 20 22:28:19 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Thomas Piergallini Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 22:33:07 -0500 To: "David O'Neill" Subject: Re: Good roads between DC & Orlando? (fwd) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Absolutely run on Rt 301 as much as possible. this road is what traveling the east coast was like back in the = 50's (what do I know, I was born in '65) this will add a day or two to your trip, but is fun. Ensure you are going 35 miles and hours when the sign says 35 mph = (southern sherriffs are not funny) Get a picture of yourself under the 50ft tall woman in the = bikini... pierre From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 05:07:22 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 02:08:07 PST Subject: Re: Message not deliverable Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > I had this time around (leather jacket, jeans, t-shirt, gloves). I'm > definately envying those folks with one-piece electrically heated > riding suits. An electric vest, thermal underwear, and insulated overalls make a big difference and will give you the most warmth for the buck. > I did encounter a problem starting the bike however, and this has me a > little worried. It took me several turns of the starter to get the > engine to turn over. And even after the bike was warmed up, I couldn't > maintain an idle about 2K RPM. Only after repeated tries and a little > time sitting with the engine idling in the parking lot did I manage to > get the bike going and enough power to keep it going. > > I stopped at a resteraunt after riding a while and after letting it sit > for an hour, encountered the same problem. And the Neutral, Oil and > other indicators were rather weak... > > Now, the bike hasn't been ridden for close to a month so I suspect that > the battery has run down. This sounds like a particulalry appealing > explanation considering the cold weather. Is there anything else that It sounds like a weak battery to me. Perhaps it was just discharged from sitting for a month. You did not say how far you rode before you stopped at the restaurant. When my Wing's battery is discharged, it takes up to 60 miles of highway riding to bring the charge back to full. Maybe the battery is marginal, good enough for warm weather but not for cold. Charge it up completely and test the voltage under load. Load test: 1) charge battery fully. 2) Install in bike. 3) Turn kill switch to "Off" so the engine will not start. 4) connect voltmeter to battery leads. Voltage will be 12 -12.5 volts. 5) Hold down starter button for 5 - 7 seconds and watch the voltage drop on the meter. A good battery will not drop below 10.5 volts. A marginal battery will drop to 9.5. I replace my batteries when they get to 9.5 volts during this test. I could get more use out of them but since I ride far and wide, I want assurance that I can start the bike to get home. Also my budget allows buying a new battery every two years. > I should look at? I was getting a little bit of smoke out the > tailpipes but nothing particularly unusual. What color was the smoke? On a cold day, steam will come out of the pipes for miles after starting the engine. How much and how long depends upon the humidity and temperature. You might blow steam for fifteen miles under certain conditions. If it goes away after fifteen miles of highway riding, don't worry about it. If if does not go away, see if you are losing coolant if you ride a water-cooled bike. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 05:07:54 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 02:08:57 PST Subject: Speed limits Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > > Does anyone know what the VA and MD speed limits before the National > > Speed Limit was enacted (74?)? > > My vague recollections are that the Beltway was 60mph except for the > twisties in Mont. Co., which have always been 55mph. I was only ~13 > at the time, so my memories aren't based on personal experience. ;-) My fuzzy memory claims that parts of the VA Beltway were 70 but most of it was lower. I'm pretty sure that the "Rollar Coaster" between Wisconson Ave and Connecticut was posted at 50 until the road improvements around 5 years ago. That gives it the distinction of being the only stretch of D.C. area highway to increase its speed limit since 1974. They say that the memory is the first to go, but I don't know where... North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 05:08:26 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 02:09:29 PST Subject: Speed Limits Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > I was driving through there some years back doing about 85 and was passed > by, of all > things, a VW Beetle (modified) doing easily 100+. Ten minutes later we > came across same Beetle upside down in the median. It was noon on a > beautiful > day. Good point. The only counter point that I would offer is that careless people drive this fast now. Radar and laser detectors let them get away with it most of the time. Plus I don't really believe any state would really allow 100 mph. But then I was wrong predicting the OJ verdict and the government shutdown... Regardless of the speed limit, weather, nighttime, and traffic conditions require the safe driver to slow down under many conditions. On a rain-slick rush hour, 55 is recklessly fast. And look at all the cars, especially four wheel drive trucks, in the ditches along snow-covered corners. I would never ride 65 on Montana's I-90 ascending Lookout Pass: too many curves and critters. I would feel safe with higher speed limits if the police will turn their enforcement efforts from speed limits to reckless driving. I won't expect this though. Reckless driving is harder to prove in court than exceeding a numerical limit. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 05:09:00 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 02:09:55 PST Subject: Cold Riding Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > whoever you are). The funny thing was that he already had his bike started, > but he disconnected the battery with the bike running anyway [I though this > was a major no-no]. And it kept running! I asked him if he had an extra > battery or something, but he said it was running off the alternator Depends upon the bike. I believe the Honda GL1500 and many other bikes will not run with the battery disconnected. Some bikes, like your benefactor's Nighthawk, are still simple. > didn't use a screwdriver to complete the circuit and then hold it down with > his bare hand while I turned on the ignition! I was amazed. I guess 12 > volts really won't kill you. If he had touched the frame of the bike and completed the circuit through his body, I am sure he would have jumped in the air with a funny expression on his face. Birds sit on high voltage lines without any problem unless they touch the utility pole and ground themselves. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 05:12:30 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 02:13:28 PST Subject: Re: a [very small] adventure/ 12V Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > Be afraid of other things, like cops and GEICO and ice and Volvos, > *not* batteries. The biggest danger from bike and car batteries is probably the explosion potential from the hydrogen gas. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 05:23:56 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 02:24:46 PST Subject: Re: Charging problems Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > So, is the problem in the voltage regulator, in that it won't let > enough juice into the battery? Or could it be the battery, which > sucks too much out of the electrical system? I'm assuming for the > time being, that the alternator is okay. I would not assume the alternator is okay. Most bike alternators have three windings. You may have lost one of the three. I guess this because the alternator charges but does not charge enough. Checking alternator output is easy: you need a voltmeter and a service manual. Follow the procedure in the service manual to check all three windings. If that checks out okay, test the rectifier/regulator. Next check for a short somewhere. Look at the fuses; are they all the stock amp rating? If not, check that circuit. Is the headlight the stock 60/55 watt unit or is it a 100 watt skyburner? Good luck! North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 07:11:09 1995 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 07:15:12 EST X-Mailer: Unix/3Com MX v4.8 93.11.30 From: James Balsley To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Charging problems This problem could be your battery, voltage regulator, or (unlikely at 3,000 miles) your alternator brushes. I'd check the battery first-- could be a bad cell. ---------------------- Replied Message Body ---------------------- Date: 11-20-95 3:50pm From: {cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff)}:unix:niaid To: james balsley:exec:niaid Subj: Charging problems Also-to: dc-cycles@XXXXXX -------------------------------------------------------------------- Anybody help me with this? -- My bike's charging system just barely runs the headlight, and can't run my electric vest. With no headlight, the voltage across the battery terminals gets up to 13.6 V, like it should. With the headlight on, the voltage never rises above 12.7 V, and w t h the headlight and electric vest both on, the voltage never gets above 11.7 V. Which must be why it died on me yesterday :-o The bike is "new", a 1982 CB750F with 3,000 miles (really!). The previous bike like this that I had could run the electric vest just fine. The battery is supposed to be new, and looks new, but the bike sat a lot with the previous owner. The battery d d take a full charge and hold it, previously. So, is the problem in the voltage regulator, in that it won't let enough juice into the battery? Or could it be the battery, which sucks too much out of the electrical system? I'm assuming for the time being, that the alternator is okay. thanks, Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 07:39:56 1995 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 04:40:48 PST Subject: Re: Charging problems Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > This problem could be your battery, voltage regulator, or (unlikely at > 3,000 miles) your alternator brushes. I'd check the battery first-- > could be a bad cell. I think his bike would have a fixed magnet rotor. As far as I know only the GL1500 Gold Wing uses alternator brushes. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 08:05:32 1995 From: Matt Bennett Subject: Re: a [very small] adventure/ 12V To: DIMON@XXXXXX (Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:03:09 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <8725A26940@bayview.dt.navy.mil> from "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" at Nov 21, 95 02:13:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Be afraid of other things, like cops and GEICO and ice and Volvos, > > *not* batteries. > > The biggest danger from bike and car batteries is probably the > explosion potential from the hydrogen gas. > On my bike, I'm gonna worry about the above things more than the battery. Bike batteries are safer than car those in cars,for a number of reasons, first, every bike battery I have seen has a vent tube, and only one car I've seen has a vent tube. Second and most important, if the battery's vent is not working right, there is a whole lot less of a chance of the gas being trapped in explosive quantites in the motorcycle. (unless perhaps, if you drive a Goldwing :) The battery is more open and has a chance for normal movement of the air to carry the explosive gas away. But I'm still not gonna check the water level with a match. That sort of action is the only bit of natural selection we have left (think of it as evolution in action) On to a previous point I had made about the alternator thing and the balck magic of electromagnetism. What I was trying to allude to was the possible residual magnetism in the field of the alternator making a little bit of juice, enough to keep it running at idle, when the bike needs more current, such as when you twist the throttle, the voltage and hence the spark can't keep up. The only bikes that I suspect would absolutely not run would be BMW's Their pathetic (old R's) little charging systems barely keep up when the engine runs, and are majorly sucking off the battery at idle. (don't ask me how I know...) Reminds me of an anecdote: An old bike mechanic installed a battery eliminator on a bike. Owner of bike said: Cool! Now I want these super- loud horns. 'but...' said the mechanic, Customer said "I WANT THESE HORNS" Customer is always right, right? Horns installed, owner fires up bike, putting along at idle... and hits horn. Click and engine dies. This is the reason we have batteries, and dirt bikes (usually) don't. Matt Bennett mjb@XXXXXX BMW R100RS From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 08:16:57 1995 From: Matt Bennett Subject: Re: Charging problems To: DIMON@XXXXXX (Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:14:34 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <899A4E2A70@bayview.dt.navy.mil> from "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" at Nov 21, 95 04:40:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > This problem could be your battery, voltage regulator, or (unlikely at > > 3,000 miles) your alternator brushes. I'd check the battery first-- > > could be a bad cell. > > I think his bike would have a fixed magnet rotor. As far as I know > only the GL1500 Gold Wing uses alternator brushes. I'd vote on the side of the brushes, or some other loose (or corroded) connection, or maybe the springs on the brushes not pushing them in. Some parts die with age, some with use. The GL1500 is not the sole receptacle of modern components like alternators and such. Every bike I have owned except for my dirt bike has used brushes in the alternator, back to the '72 Yamaha R5, a veritable dinosaur of technology. Hell, that bike even has a mechanical (relay) regulator. The last street bike I saw with a magnet instead of an excited field was a '65 Yamaha. This is not to say that it is impossible, just beyond my experience. Matt Bennett From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 09:19:26 1995 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 09:30:48 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Re: Good roads between DC & Orlando? (fwd) 13 and 17 are both beautiful. I took them from North Carolina all the way to Florida one trip. A lot slower than the interstate (of course) but there's some great views of the ocean, the shore, and some remnants of small-town America. The last couple of times I've been to Florida it's been for Daytona, so I just took the interstate to get there or get back quickly. Chris Norloff >Hi all- >a friend and I are riding from Washington, D.C. to Orlando, FL and back over >12/28/95 - 1/3/96. We were thinking of taking 13 down the DelMarVa >Penninsula to 17. any opinions on alternate routes/must sees? any feed >back will be appreciated. > >Dave >'93 ZX-11D >'89 HawkGT >'80 GS450E > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 09:30:09 1995 From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: 21 Nov 95 09:27:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Speed Limits In-Reply-To: <8714C24CDB@bayview.dt.navy.mil> > Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment > X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > > > I was driving through there some years back doing about 85 and was passed > > by, of all > > things, a VW Beetle (modified) doing easily 100+. Ten minutes later we > > came across same Beetle upside down in the median. It was noon on a > > beautiful > > day. > > Good point. The only counter point that I would offer is that > careless people drive this fast now. Radar and laser detectors let > them get away with it most of the time. Plus I don't really believe > any state would really allow 100 mph. But then I was wrong > predicting the OJ verdict and the government shutdown... > I disagree...laser and radar detectors do *not* let these reckless drivers "get away" with careless driving. This is a common assumption made by people with little or no facts at hand. Having worked for DMV for *many* years and having had almost a daily contact with the Va. State Police, I can say (IMHO) that almost *all* of the documented accidents that I recorded or pulled up on the computer were caused by three major reasons: 1. Driving too fast for current conditions. 2. Inattentive driving. 3. Driving while intoxicated. 1. Driving too fast for current conditions - almost always means someone (who may not be going faster than the posted speed limit btw), that lost control of their car, usually when the weather conditions warranted a speed less than the posted limit. 2. Inattentive driving - rear end collisions is the most common. Stop lights, stop signs and toll booths are common areas for this type of violation and the speed is usually considerably less than the posted speed limit. 3. Driving while intoxicated - self explanatory. Rarely was a laser/radar detector involved in any of these type of accidents. Nor would the possession of such a device have prevented the accident from occurring. Incidently, almost all of the radar detector violations that I had pulled up on the computer was a direct result of speeding, not reckless driving, not accidents nor were the detectors discovered during a stop for DUI. And, contrary to some misplaced information, you do *not* get arrested for possession of a radar detector nor do you get points awarded...you *do* get fined and you *do * get it recorded as a violation in your driving record. Where most people get confused about points is that the radar detector was discovered while the violator was pulled over for speeding, consequently the points were awarded for *speeding*, not for possession of a detector. regards, -aki From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 10:08:52 1995 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 10:12:45 EST X-Mailer: Unix/3Com MX v4.8 93.11.30 From: James Balsley To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mjb@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Charging problems the reason I suggested brushes is that the very same symptoms in my '82 maxim xj550 (50K miles) resulted from brushes worn to the nubs.--but I'd bet on the battery. The manual will give a procedure for systematically checking the charging system and isolating the problem. > > > This problem could be your battery, voltage regulator, or (unlikely at > > 3,000 miles) your alternator brushes. I'd check the battery first-- > > could be a bad cell. > > I think his bike would have a fixed magnet rotor. As far as I know > only the GL1500 Gold Wing uses alternator brushes. > I'd vote on the side of the brushes, or some other loose (or corroded) > connection, or maybe the springs on the brushes not pushing them in. > Some parts die with age, some with use. > The GL1500 is not the sole receptacle of modern components like > alternators and such. Every bike I have owned except for my dirt bike > has used brushes in the alternator, back to the '72 Yamaha R5, a > veritable From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 10:27:00 1995 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:27:33 -0500 (EST) From: Janet Gunn To: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speed Limits In-Reply-To: <8714C24CDB@bayview.dt.navy.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 21 Nov 1995, Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho wrote: > Radar and laser detectors let > them get away with it most of the time. Plus I don't really believe > any state would really allow 100 mph. But then I was wrong > predicting the OJ verdict and the government shutdown... Before the federal restrictions on speed limits, the speed limit in Nevada (?) was "reasonable and prudent". A Ferrari driver who was stopped for speeding was able to convince the judge that 1xy (I forget the exact speed, but it was well over 100) was "reasonable and prudent." Janet Gunn WERA, CCS, AHRMA (and ex-AAMRR) #671 MARRC#18 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 10:27:31 1995 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 10:25:00 EST To: mng@XXXXXX, dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX, Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX Cc: hacker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: The oncoming ice age... >If you lube the chain after a ride, can you just put the bike away? Or is it >better to let it sit for a minute and then ride again to distribute the lube? Let it sit. The idea is to let the lube penetrate the chain while the chain is warm (which warms the lube), and then let it cool so it doesn't end up all over your back when you ride. Bob From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 10:37:25 1995 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:36:59 -0500 (EST) From: Janet Gunn To: aki.damme@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speed Limits In-Reply-To: <199511211428.AA15910@egate.citicorp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 21 Nov 1995 aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > I disagree...laser and radar detectors do *not* let these reckless > drivers "get away" with careless driving. This is a common > assumption made by people with little or no facts at hand. > Having worked for DMV for *many* years and having had > almost a daily contact with the Va. State Police, I can > say (IMHO) that almost *all* of the documented accidents > that I recorded or pulled up on the computer were caused > by three major reasons: > > 1. Driving too fast for current conditions. > 2. Inattentive driving. > 3. Driving while intoxicated. Good points > > Incidently, almost all of the radar detector violations that I had pulled > up on the computer was a direct result of speeding, not reckless driving, > not accidents nor were the detectors discovered during a stop for DUI. And, > contrary > to some misplaced information, you do *not* get arrested for possession > of a radar detector Maybe not any more, but I most certainly got an arrest warrant, and spent 5 hours in jail (in Fredericksburg VA), for posession of a (non functional) radar detector in 1977. (Note that I had a NY license at the time, and was in transit between NY and NC. If I had a VA or contigous license, I wouldn't have gone to jail.) BTW, I got it thrown out on appeal. nor do you get points awarded...you *do* get fined > and you *do * get it recorded as a violation in your driving record. Janet Gunn WERA, CCS, AHRMA (and ex-AAMRR) #671 MARRC#18 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 10:56:16 1995 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:55:43 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speed Limits In a message dated 95-11-21 10:52:26 EST, jgunn@XXXXXX (Janet Gunn) writes: > > nor do you get points awarded...you *do* get fined >> and you *do * get it recorded as a violation in your driving record. As I recall, radars did get you 3 points about 3 or 4 years ago, but the law was changed and I believe it "forgave" any existing radar points. Steve From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 12:00:35 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19993; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:00:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18073; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:00:29 -0500 Received: from juts.ccc.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tHw3Y-0001W3C; Tue, 21 Nov 95 09:00 PST Received: by juts.ccc.amdahl.com (/\../\ Smail3.1.14.4 #14.10) id ; Tue, 21 Nov 95 09:00 PST Message-Id: Date: Tuesday, 21 November 1995 11:55 ET To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Subject: winter oil In-Reply-To: The letter of Monday, 20 November 1995 14:10 ET Kim writes: does anyone out there have strong feelings about using lighter oil in the winter? Or does it not get cold enough in DC to justify it? Well Kim it DOES get cold enough to justify it. The cutoff is 40 degrees F. and it definately gets colder than that around here. Although I have changed my oil yet I certainly will. I run 20W50 in the summer and 10W40 in the winter. This is what the owners manual recommends. I have talked to the dealer and was told that it isn't necessary. I believe that that statement was made because most Harley owners don't ride everyday like I do. If I only were to ride my bike on the warm days (above 40) then it wouldn't matter. I have the same problem as you do with the heavy oil in the winter the engine is harder to start and takes longer to get up to normal operating temperature. So the bottom line is check the owners manual and change that oil if you plan on riding much durring the winter, you won't be sorry. Carl B. 94 Ultra 91 Sporty From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 21 23:01:21 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14045; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 23:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from gonz.gonzaga.edu by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15273; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 23:01:19 -0500 Received: from GONZAGA.EDU by GONZAGA.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #10166) id <01HXX14JC840000VPU@XXXXXX> for DC-Cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 20:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 20:01:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: fast idle To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Does anyone know what it means if my Seca is idling fast? about 2000 when it's hot. Someone suggested that the carbs might be dirty. If so, can I run some of the car-type carb cleaner thru my next few tanks of gas? Has anyone tried this? Or should I just follow the Manual's routine for slowing down the idle? from, Justin V. Laubach (JLaubach@XXXXXX) 92 XJ600SD Seca II From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 22 08:52:26 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21646; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:52:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from medlantic.mhg.edu by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12351; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:52:08 -0500 Received: by medlantic.mhg.edu id AA15776 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:55:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199511221355.AA15776@medlantic.mhg.edu> Received: by medlantic.mhg.edu (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:55:10 -0500 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: fast idle Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 08:45:00 EST Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >Does anyone know what it means if my Seca is idling fast? about 2000 Nope, sorry. >Someone suggested that the carbs might be dirty. If so, can I run some >of the car-type carb cleaner thru my next few tanks of gas? Has anyone >tried this? My Suzuki likes to surge every now and then and I've decided it is the fuel system. When it starts to act up, I add a little gas treatment and the symptoms subside significantly. It works for me and I'd give it a shot, it's cheaper than rebuilding the carbs. I use the STP concentrated additive and add only a small portion due to the small tank. I've not heard of these products doing any damage but I'm not a mechanic so take my words with a grain of salt. YMMV. >Or should I just follow the Manual's routine for slowing down the idle? Not a bad idea. Bill McLoone, GS-450TXz (1/2 an XS-1100H) From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 22 14:52:29 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01996; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:52:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14500; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:52:27 -0500 Received: (from jgodfrey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA12308; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:52:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:52:52 -0500 (EST) From: John Blaine Godfrey To: "Justin V. Laubach" cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: fast idle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 21 Nov 1995, Justin V. Laubach wrote: > Does anyone know what it means if my Seca is idling fast? about 2000 > when it's hot. Bikes tend to run fast when they run lean. They tend to run lean when fuel supply is restricted. That could come from a dirty carb. it could also come from bad timing. (If it's firing too early not enough fuel has arrived, if it's firing late, fuel has started to wander.) (the latter explanation is a guess, but the phenomenon is real) > Someone suggested that the carbs might be dirty. If so, can I run some > of the car-type carb cleaner thru my next few tanks of gas? Has anyone > tried this? You can run carb cleaner through the engine, but if they're really dirty, i.e. the gas has turned to varnish, the cleaner won't help much. so ... > Or should I just follow the Manual's routine for slowing down the idle? yes, that's exactly what you ought to do. But do everything your manual says. If your idle has suddenly crept up that's a symptom. Probably of something that is robbing you of power and fuel efficiency. So solve the problem not the symptom. your manual should include instructions for a tune up. if I remember correctly SECA's have shim valve adjustments so you can probably ignore them. But do read the trouble shooting part and give your bike a tune up. You might find that you need to check timing and break-down and clean your carbs. best of luck john godfrey From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 22 15:52:24 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11570; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:52:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20005; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:52:22 -0500 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA29445; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:51:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:51:51 -0500 Message-ID: <951122155150_114075020@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: jgodfrey@XXXXXX, jlaubach@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: fast idle In a message dated 95-11-22 15:49:51 EST, jgodfrey@XXXXXX (John Blaine Godfrey) writes: > >> Someone suggested that the carbs might be dirty. If so, can I run some >> of the car-type carb cleaner thru my next few tanks of gas? Has anyone >> tried this? >You can run carb cleaner through the engine, but if they're really dirty, >i.e. the gas has turned to varnish, the cleaner won't help much. Just take the carbs off, take them apart, clean them, and put them back on. Steve From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 22 16:51:55 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02274; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from scdh21.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25855; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:51:54 -0500 Received: (from mjb@localhost) by scdh21.umd.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id QAA19384 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:51:14 -0500 From: Matt Bennett Message-Id: <199511222151.QAA19384@scdh21.umd.edu> Subject: Re: fast idle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:51:13 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: mjb@XXXXXX X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >You can run carb cleaner through the engine, but if they're really dirty, > >i.e. the gas has turned to varnish, the cleaner won't help much. > > Just take the carbs off, take them apart, clean them, and put them back on. Having owned the one of the previous versions of the Seca ('83 550), If the Seca II's are similar, this statement to the technically not very proficient reads to me as tantamount to: 'Here's a Swiss Army Knife. Take apart that Rolls Royce, fix it, and put it back together. The owner will pick it up at 3' It is possible to clean 'em, pretty simple once you get the hang of it. The problem was taking the damn things off and on the bike. They were wedged in there pretty tight. Be careful of the boots, don't scar them or fold them under. When you take the carbs apart on a multi-cylinder rack like the seca, only take one carb apart at a time, so you don't mix up parts. First thing I would try though, is adjusting the idle speed knob :) Matt From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 23 03:24:47 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA09122; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 03:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from gonz.gonzaga.edu by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA28017; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 03:24:46 -0500 Received: from GONZAGA.EDU by GONZAGA.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #10166) id <01HXYOMHEP1Y000X48@XXXXXX>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 00:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 00:24:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: Motorcycle Books To: Wetleather , DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Has anybody out there in cyberland read any good books about or with motorcycles? I've heard some sci-fi ones mentioned, but didn't get any titles? Or any good sci-fi books with modern cars/car combat like car-wars style or anything similar? from, Justin V. Laubach (JLaubach@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 27 11:13:52 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23990; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 11:13:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14986; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 11:13:51 -0500 Received: from axp1.acc.georgetown.edu by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05880; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 11:13:50 -0500 Received: from guvax.acc.georgetown.edu by guvax.acc.georgetown.edu (PMDF V4.3-9 #7802) id <01HY4VQ8HYVK8ZEW4A@XXXXXX>; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 11:13:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 11:13:39 -0500 (EST) From: Ted Roberts Subject: dead/dying batteries To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01HY4VQ8IWS28ZEW4A@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"dc-cycles@XXXXXX" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT AAAUUUGGGHHH! I'm having some problems I think are related to my battery. I had to leave town suddenly last month (family emergency), and left my bike in the garage at work for two weeks. Two weeks ago, I came back and I could not get the bike started; I expected that. I borrowed a charger, got enough juice to start the bike, and rode around for about an hour and a half. Everything seemed normal and worked fine until last Wednesday. I was on my way out the garage at work, the bike died on me and would not start. A colleague offered me a jump, but the starter would not roll over. I eventually ended up flooding the engine so I just left the bike at work. Last Saturday, I charged the battery up again, got the bike started, rode about four blocks, and died idling at the stop light. I rolled into a gas station, borrowed an outlet and started the bike again, praying that I would at least make it home. I finally did make it home, after it died once more, luckily in the vicinity of another gas station. Am I correct in blaming this on a dying battery in cold weather? Can a weak battery actually suck the electrical system so dry that the bike would die? I consulted the owner's manual and the service manual, neither of which say much about the battery. Also, I saw in the JC Whitney catalog a bunch of solar battery chargers for RV's and vans. They all seem to be trickle chargers, with current ranging from 80mA (3"x11") to 500mA (1'x3'). Anybody here ever use one on a bike? I was thinking of getting a couple of the smaller ones and mounting them on the tank. Ted. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 27 13:15:56 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27513; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25608; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:15:54 -0500 Received: from mail.os2bbs.com by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08900; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:15:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:15:48 -0500 Received: from [156.40.170.10] by mail.os2bbs.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; id AA5049; Mon, 27 Nov 95 13:15:30 -0500 Message-Id: <.AA5049@mail.os2bbs.com> X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: m-rider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman) Subject: RE:dead/dying batteries IMHO, batteries get most of the blame for problems in which they are the victim, not the culprit. When something else electrical quits working, nothing gets noticed until it kills the battery, then the battery (and often its replacement) gets blamed for the problem. >engine so I just left the bike at work. Last Saturday, I charged the >battery up again, got the bike started, rode about four blocks, and >died idling at the stop light. I rolled into a gas station, borrowed >an outlet and started the bike again, praying that I would at least >make it home. I finally did make it home, after it died once more, >luckily in the vicinity of another gas station. If it died while you were riding it, it is unlikely to be the battery. Since the battery won't start it, there is something wrong with it in addition to whatever is really wrong with it. You should check the battery with a voltmeter. 12 volts or more is ok, less isn't. Check the water level, if the battery won't start the bike after it's been running for an hour or so, it either needs water, or it's got a dead cell(s), or it never got recharged. > >Am I correct in blaming this on a dying battery in cold weather? Probably not. >Can a weak battery actually suck the electrical system so dry that the >bike would die? No. There is something else wrong. >Also, I saw in the JC Whitney catalog a bunch of solar battery >chargers for RV's and vans. They all seem to be trickle chargers, >with current ranging from 80mA (3"x11") to 500mA (1'x3'). Anybody >here ever use one on a bike? I was thinking of getting a couple of >the smaller ones and mounting them on the tank. Does your bike sit in the sun at work? If not, they won't work. 160mA isn't much, but it should keep the battery fresh enough to work. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 27 13:43:02 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29186; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:43:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27972; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:43:00 -0500 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA22453; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:42:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:42:28 -0500 Message-ID: <951127134227_117562907@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: mjb@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: fast idle In a message dated 95-11-22 17:13:29 EST, mjb@XXXXXX (Matt Bennett) writes: >Having owned the one of the previous versions of the Seca ('83 550), >If the Seca II's are similar, this statement to the technically >not very proficient reads to me as tantamount to: 'Here's a Swiss >Army Knife. Take apart that Rolls Royce, fix it, and put it back >together. The owner will pick it up at 3' If it is a older Roller you will unfortunately need a Whitworth Swiss Army knife, which is tough to come by these days. Steve From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 27 16:14:44 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07003; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:14:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13776; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:14:43 -0500 Received: from egate.citicorp.com by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13218; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:14:34 -0500 From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate.citicorp.com id AA22702 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:13:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199511272113.AA22702@egate.citicorp.com> Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:13:49 -0500 Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:13:49 -0500 Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:13:49 -0500 Date: 27 Nov 95 16:12:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dead/dying batteries In-Reply-To: <01HY4VQ8IWS28ZEW4A@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> > X-Vms-To: IN%"dc-cycles@XXXXXX" > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT (previous discussion of problems with starting deleted).. > > Am I correct in blaming this on a dying battery in cold weather? Can > a weak battery actually suck the electrical system so dry that the > bike would die? I consulted the owner's manual and the service > manual, neither of which say much about the battery. ..depends...if you have a bad battery, it *might* cause idling problems depending on how your charging system works. Call a local repair shop and ask them if a dead battery will cause the symptoms you experienced. If it can't, then I would say you have a more serious problem than your battery. Possibly a short somewhere in your charging system. > > Also, I saw in the JC Whitney catalog a bunch of solar battery > chargers for RV's and vans. They all seem to be trickle chargers, > with current ranging from 80mA (3"x11") to 500mA (1'x3'). Anybody > here ever use one on a bike? I was thinking of getting a couple of > the smaller ones and mounting them on the tank. ...I would think that the sacrifice of leaving your bike exposed to direct sunlight would not offset the advantages of having solar powered rechargers. Besides, motorcycle batteries aren't that expensive...just buy a new one... > > Ted. > Let us know what you find out! cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 27 18:17:24 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20667; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from igate1.hac.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28156; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:17:23 -0500 Received: from eden.hac.com by igate1.hac.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04410; Mon, 27 Nov 95 15:14:39 PST Received: from eos.hitc.com by EDEN.HAC.COM (PMDF V4.3-7 #5884) id <01HY54Y061DS000G4C@XXXXXX>; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:16:47 PST Received: from dinosaur (dinosaur.HITC.COM) by eos.hitc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16697; Mon, 27 Nov 95 18:32:54 EST Received: by dinosaur (5.x) id AA11374; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:17:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:17:19 -0500 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Cleaning Carbs - Re: fast idle In-Reply-To: Matt Bennett "Re: fast idle" (Nov 22, 4:51pm) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: wweiss@XXXXXX (BikerDude) Message-Id: <9511271817.ZM11372@dinosaur.HITC.COM> Organization: Hughes-On-The-Beltway Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <199511222151.QAA19384@scdh21.umd.edu> > > Just take the carbs off, take them apart, clean them, and put them back on. > ...The problem was taking the damn things off and on the bike. > They were wedged in there pretty tight. I decided to yank and clean the carbs on my '85 Suzuki GS700. Removing them was not too difficult. It was a little tight, but it was no major deal to unhook and unbolt and un-everything to get them out. I soaked and rebuilt them one by one. Getting them back in was the all-time greatest pain in the ass! The gas tank, seat, side covers, etc. etc. was all removed of course. In addition, I had to: a) Unbolt an move the oil cooler to one side b) Remove the exhaust c) Loosen all the bolts on the air cleaner and move it rearward as far as it would go (it couldn't come out of the frame while the engine was still in it) d) Unbolt the front engine mounts and rotate the engine forward a few inches All this to gain ONE LOUSY EXTRA INCH so I could slip the carbs back in. Talk about exhausting! Not only that, I torqued-off one of those cheap-ass exhaust bolts in the cylinder casing and had to drill and tap it and replace it. During all this time I kept promising myself that I would never buy another Japanese bike...The next year I bought the Interceptor - just what was I thinking? :) -- "I am Einhorn of the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is ______ / \ futile. Preparation is | | Warren W. Weiss (o)(o)--- | wweiss@XXXXXX (_ ) Hughes Landover irrel...Bend over, Snyder!" |____ | \___/ | /______\ / \______\ From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 27 19:12:17 1995 Received: from nemo.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09281; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by nemo.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13431; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:12:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:12:17 -0500 From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) Message-Id: <199511280012.TAA13431@nemo.cs.UMD.EDU> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cleaning Carbs - Re: fast idle Warren Weiss writes: > I decided to yank and clean the carbs on my '85 Suzuki GS700. Removing > them was not too difficult. It was a little tight, but it was no major > deal to unhook and unbolt and un-everything to get them out. I soaked > and rebuilt them one by one. Doing them a couple at a time is better than all at once. If you forget how something went together you can use the unassembled ones as control. This doesn't count if your bike only has one carb, of course. BTDTBTTS. > Getting them back in was the all-time greatest pain in the ass! I've found that, besides making sure the clamps are well loosened, ;-) it helps greatly to squirt a little WD-40 inside the boots and around the outside of the carb throats. Don't use too much, just work it around the surfaces with a finger. It makes reassembly *much* easier! Lesse... currently reassembling one of the RE5 carbs... two of three H2 carbs are in the dip can right now... need to pull the carbs off the CX500... boy, good thing I love rehab'ing old bikes... Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt, leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! AMA, ICOA, Lemans, KTC, DoD #224 | I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" HON: 82 CBX, 79 CX500C, 76 CJ360 |________--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" SUZ: 82 GS850G, 76 RE5, 2-75 RE5 KAW: 72 H2 "More bikes than brains!" From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 28 10:21:58 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28537; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27060; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:21:57 -0500 Received: from axp1.acc.georgetown.edu by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28958; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:21:56 -0500 Received: from guvax.acc.georgetown.edu by guvax.acc.georgetown.edu (PMDF V4.3-9 #7802) id <01HY68X7MM1S8ZEZY5@XXXXXX>; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:21:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:21:49 -0500 (EST) From: Ted Roberts Subject: more dead/dying batteries To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01HY68X7OHV68ZEZY5@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"dc-cycles@XXXXXX" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT As per Leon's suggestion that a dying battery is more likely a symptom rather than a cause, I took a voltmeter home and traced my bike's electrical system. Everything I tested once I got her started (voltage leak, charging current) came up within specs. The only thing I didn't do was a spark test because the manuals expected a fully charged battery to perform tests related to the ignition system. I have noticed that I have the most trouble on a cold start. This morning, I took the battery out of the charger and it registered 13.5V. First crank on battery alone did not start, and voltage dropped to 12.25. Second crank on battery alone did not start, and voltage dropped to 11.0. Next, I hooked up my charger/booster to the bike. The starter motor was whirring and I heard low-frequency pops, like the enging was just about to kick in, but died when I let go of the starter button. It took four tries to start the bike. Once it started, I took the charger/booster off and let the bike warm up. Went for a few laps around the block, nothing strange. Went home, let her sit for about 40 minutes, started her up fine, came to work. That's all for now. John Schaaf posted yesterday that once a battery goes bad, it only gets worse, so I'm going to get one anyway. Are there deep cycle, maintenance free batteries for motorcycles? Ted. P.S. Anybody know a _cheap_ apartment complex in NoVA that has covered parking? From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 28 10:45:32 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28456; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:45:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28815; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:45:29 -0500 Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29650; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:45:27 -0500 Received: (from jgodfrey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id KAA19826; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:45:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:45:53 -0500 (EST) From: John Blaine Godfrey To: Ted Roberts cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more dead/dying batteries In-Reply-To: <01HY68X7OHV68ZEZY5@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since noone else has said it, I'll add my two cents worth (and worth every penny). Before you go out and buy a new battery or drive yourself crazy chasing shorts. (perhaps a little late to avoid the latter) ... you might consider 1) check your voltage regulator. Your manual should tell you where to find the bugger and how to test it. In general, you should not be charging a 12 volt battery at 12 volts. anyway, read that manual. 2) check your battery cells. you can buy one of those eye dropper looking things at any motorcyle or auto supply store. they are used to check electrolyte (sp?). it doesn't do a lot of good to charge a dead (i.e. electrolyteless (Sp??)) battery. best of luck john thank you for your continued support From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 28 13:08:46 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06492; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:08:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11759; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:08:44 -0500 Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03390; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:08:42 -0500 Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA24114; Tue, 28 Nov 95 13:08:32 EST Received: from BAYVIEW/SMTPQueue by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury 1.11); Tue, 28 Nov 95 10:11:52 PST Received: from Mailqueue by BAYVIEW (Mercury 1.11); Tue, 28 Nov 95 10:11:43 PST From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:11:36 PST Subject: Re: more dead/dying batteries Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <13722C972F8@bayview.dt.navy.mil> > I have noticed that I have the most trouble on a cold start. This > morning, I took the battery out of the charger and it registered 13.5V. > First crank on battery alone did not start, and voltage dropped to 12.25. > Second crank on battery alone did not start, and voltage dropped to 11.0. This could be a battery that will not take a charge. What was the voltage WHILE you were cranking the engine? How old was this battery? Once you buy your new battery, check out the charging system per the service manual specifications. Then put an ammeter between the battery and its grounding strap _while the engine is OFF_ to see if there is a short draining the battery while it sits. Good luck. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 28 13:53:28 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09839; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16255; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:53:27 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04318; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:53:25 -0500 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA06909; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:53:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:53:24 -0500 Message-ID: <951128135322_36825732@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: DIMON@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more dead/dying batteries In a message dated 95-11-28 13:36:51 EST, DIMON@XXXXXX (Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho) writes: >Once you buy your new battery, check out the charging system per the >service manual specifications. Then put an ammeter between the >battery and its grounding strap _while the engine is OFF_ to see if >there is a short draining the battery while it sits. Good luck. > > FWIW: my bike had a clock on it that stopped working. After that my battery would go flat quickly, which made no sense. Put an ammeter in the clock circuit and found a substantial current draw. Disassembled clock and found that a resistor roached to black mess and was acting as a direct short...which explains both why the clock was not working and why the clock was drawing current. The most non-essential things.... Steve R65 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 28 19:03:13 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14906; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 19:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16935; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 19:03:12 -0500 Received: from mail.Clark.Net by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11096; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 19:03:11 -0500 Received: from clark.net (jteitel@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA18827; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 19:03:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jteitel@localhost) by clark.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) id TAA07861; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 19:03:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 19:03:04 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Teitel To: Ted Roberts cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more dead/dying batteries In-Reply-To: <01HY68X7OHV68ZEZY5@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 28 Nov 1995, Ted Roberts wrote: > [snip]... so I'm going to get one anyway. Are there deep cycle, > maintenance free batteries for motorcycles? Sounds like a good idea to replace the battery, but DON'T use a 'deep-cycle' battery. They are designed for a slow discharge needed to run accessories on boats/RVs. They will not supply the high current needed to start an engine, and trying to draw that much will probably kill it fairly quickly. Jeff ============================================================================ Keep the Rubber Side Down jteitel@XXXXXX '92 Seca II DoD#1365 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 28 23:17:54 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29644; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 23:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06149; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 23:17:53 -0500 Received: from po2.wam.umd.edu by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15276; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 23:17:52 -0500 Received: from rac9.wam.umd.edu (tarjan@XXXXXX [128.8.70.8]) by po2.wam.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA25053 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 23:17:51 -0500 Received: (tarjan@localhost) by rac9.wam.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id XAA25184; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 23:17:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 23:17:49 -0500 (EST) From: DMG To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Channel 4 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was just flipping channels and happened upon channel 4.. they were discussing the removal of the fed speed limits... and I got up.. but the last thing I heard was "You woulda definitly signed that too?" "Oh yeah, ESPECIALLY because it gets rid of the Motorcycle helmet law!" heh I just liked that :> (I am not advocating riding without a helmet.. I allways wear mine.. Use your own judgement!) -Scot From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 28 23:30:44 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23963; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 23:30:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from gonz.gonzaga.edu by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06878; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 23:30:41 -0500 Received: from GONZAGA.EDU by GONZAGA.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #10166) id <01HY6U5ZD9GG001KJJ@XXXXXX> for DC-Cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 20:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 20:29:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: luggage To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In my winter boredom I have begun dreaming about the trips I will take this summer. I have some questions: Does any one use soft side bags? How do they mount on the bike? Are they easy to use? Any recommended styles/brands or are they all pretty similar? How about tank bags? Is magnetic nicer than a regular one? How do they mount? Thanks in advance!! from, Justin V. Laubach (JLaubach@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 07:33:10 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA32369; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 07:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29015; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 07:33:09 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20015; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 07:33:08 -0500 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA22950 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 07:33:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 07:33:07 -0500 Message-ID: <951129073306_37846431@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Channel 4 Helmet laws have never affected me so far; but if they ever ban helmets my riding days are over. If you think helmet laws represent government intrusion into your life, you should have been around when Uncle Sam was trying to draft your ass and send you to Nam to have your face shot off for no apparent reason. That was intrusion. S From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 08:09:13 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08261; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 08:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from nlm.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00990; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 08:09:12 -0500 From: Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX Received: from occshost.nlm.nih.gov (occshost [130.14.70.21]) by nlm.nih.gov (8.7.1/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA16608 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 08:08:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by occshost.nlm.nih.gov (5.65+/1.3) id 21813.AA; Wed, 29 Nov 95 08:09:10 GMT Message-Id: <9511290809.21813.AA@occshost.nlm.nih.gov> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 07:59:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >I was just flipping channels and happened upon channel 4.. >they were discussing the removal of the fed speed limits... >and I got up.. but the last thing I heard was "You woulda definitly signed >that too?" >"Oh yeah, ESPECIALLY because it gets rid of the Motorcycle helmet law!" >heh I just liked that :> >(I am not advocating riding without a helmet.. I allways wear mine.. Use your >own judgement!) >-Scot What you saw was federal law which attempted to force states to enact helmet laws. Most states adopted such laws, and some state ignored the federal statute. With the federal law officially repealed, some states will drop their helmet laws most will not. Those states that chose to enforce the federal law will continue to do so on the state level, and those that chose to ignore it will continue to ignore the dangers of riding without a helmet. ************************************************************************** * Tom Hormuth | '83 Honda Magna V65 VF1100C * * tom_hormuth@XXXXXX | '83 Yamaha Virago 500 * * Just another hyperactive cage rattler looking for a curve. * ************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 09:51:24 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02191; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07826; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:51:23 -0500 Received: from mail.os2bbs.com by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22211; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:51:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:51:21 -0500 Received: from [156.40.170.10] by mail.os2bbs.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; id AA4501; Wed, 29 Nov 95 09:51:13 -0500 Message-Id: <.AA4501@mail.os2bbs.com> X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: m-rider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman) Subject: Re: luggage >Does any one use soft side bags? How do they mount on the bike? Are >they easy to use? Any recommended styles/brands or are they all pretty >similar? The ones I use have two straps that go over the seat, and one that has a quick disconnect and holds the lower front of the bag to something in the vicinity of the rider's footpeg. They go on and off quickly enough that I usually remove them before packing or unpacking them. I do find that they stay in place better if I can put one of the straps either between the rider and passenger seat, or behind the passenger seat so that it can't slide forward. > >How about tank bags? Is magnetic nicer than a regular one? How do they >mount? I've never used a magnetic tank bag. I have two of the others, one uses a pair of hooks at the front of the bag and a quick disconnect at the rear. It slides left and right, so I usually run a bungee cord under the fuel tank to help hold it down. The other has a strap in front, and four hooks that hold under the fuel tank. It stays in place nicely, but it takes a while to get to the fuel filler. The tank bags and soft saddle bags are only used on trips, I have a hard tail trunk that I use daily, I wouldn't use the soft ones every day, they just take too long to get in and out of. Leon. m-rider@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 09:57:56 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03454; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from noc4.dccs.upenn.edu by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08156; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:57:54 -0500 From: sanjay@XXXXXX Received: from PSCI.SAS.UPENN.EDU by noc4.dccs.upenn.edu id AA26137; Wed, 29 Nov 95 09:57:39 -0500 Received: from SSC.SAS.UPENN.EDU by psci.sas.upenn.edu id AA40333; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:57:36 -0500 Received: by ssc id AA06966; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:57:52 -0500 Posted-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:57:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <9511291457.AA06966@ssc> Subject: Re: luggage To: jlaubach@XXXXXX (Justin V. Laubach) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:57:52 -0500 (EST) Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Justin V. Laubach" at Nov 28, 95 08:29:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn2.7] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > In my winter boredom I have begun dreaming about the trips I will take > this summer. I have some questions: > > Does any one use soft side bags? How do they mount on the bike? Are > they easy to use? Any recommended styles/brands or are they all pretty > similar? I have chase harper soft bags. they were very easy to install on my CB650. the bags are easily removable as all you have to do is unclip 4 clips. there is no modification to your bike as the mounting units (on which is the bag clip's on to) are made of nylon type fabric and simply looped into place around the foot pegs and other places. you have to use both bags at all times and if they are empty, they tend to flap a lot. > > How about tank bags? Is magnetic nicer than a regular one? How do they > mount? my chase harper tank bag mounts using three clips. it is nice but it is a real pain while buying gas as you have keep taking the bag off. i understand that chase harper will replace your bags for free if you manage to damage them in any fashion. ride safe sanjay ----- Sanjay Sinha Resident of Washington D.C. DoD #1224 Statistically speaking, i'm safer in Beirut. CB 650 'The Cow' standard disclaimers apply. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 10:15:45 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03711; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.rmc.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09917; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:15:42 -0500 Received: by ns.rmc.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA08248; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:06:34 -0500 Received: from internet.rmc.com(137.25.3.24) by ns.rmc.com via smap (V1.3) id sma013594; Wed Nov 29 10:06:32 1995 Received: from factotum.rmc.com by internet.rmc.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15122; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:54:23 -0500 Received: by factotum.rmc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18011; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:48:35 -0500 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) Message-Id: <9511291448.AA18011@factotum.rmc.com> Subject: Master link chains To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:48:35 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Hey, does anyone know how to take a chain apart? It's an o-ring chain with a master link. thanks, dan -- *********************************************************************** Dr. Daniel P. Cook Phone: (804)-788-7512 Reynolds Metals Company Fax: (804)-788-7557 Corporate Research and Development email: dpcook@XXXXXX 4th and Canal St. Richmond, VA 23219 *********************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 10:34:48 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02649; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11654; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:34:46 -0500 Received: from po1.wam.umd.edu by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23202; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:34:46 -0500 Received: from exp2.wam.umd.edu (exp2.wam.umd.edu [128.8.70.129]) by po1.wam.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA11570 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:34:45 -0500 Received: from sandbox.dial.umd.edu (Blah@XXXXXX [199.75.6.42]) by exp2.wam.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA15454 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:34:44 -0500 Received: by sandbox.dial.umd.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BABE46.4C60A420@XXXXXX>; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:34:44 -0500 Message-ID: <01BABE46.4C60A420@sandbox.dial.umd.edu> From: Tarjan To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Channel 4 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:34:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I would have to say that someone out there was reading way to much into my message :> It really didnt have much to do with the helmets.. just that there is yet another frustrated motorcyclist in the public eye :> (A respected person even.. driving a.. eww.. motorcycle.. them thar things is dangerous!) From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 10:46:06 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00562; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.rmc.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12610; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:46:05 -0500 Received: by ns.rmc.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15672; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:36:57 -0500 Received: from internet.rmc.com(137.25.3.24) by ns.rmc.com via smap (V1.3) id sma010510; Wed Nov 29 10:36:33 1995 Received: from factotum.rmc.com by internet.rmc.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA11164; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:43:35 -0500 Received: by factotum.rmc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18058; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:37:47 -0500 From: dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) Message-Id: <9511291537.AA18058@factotum.rmc.com> Subject: Hard Luggage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:37:47 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Hey, does anyone know of a company making hard luggage for a CBR600f3? All this talk of luggage has me thinking, but I would prefer hard bags to soft bags. thanks dan -- *********************************************************************** Dr. Daniel P. Cook Phone: (804)-788-7512 Reynolds Metals Company Fax: (804)-788-7557 Corporate Research and Development email: dpcook@XXXXXX 4th and Canal St. Richmond, VA 23219 *********************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 11:01:37 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09164; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:01:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from medlantic.mhg.edu by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14412; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:01:33 -0500 Received: by medlantic.mhg.edu id AA06749 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:05:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199511291605.AA06749@medlantic.mhg.edu> Received: by medlantic.mhg.edu (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:05:02 -0500 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: luggage Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 10:56:00 EST Encoding: 39 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >Does any one use soft side bags? How do they mount on the bike? Are >they easy to use? Any recommended styles/brands or are they all pretty >similar? I use the basic Eclipse saddle bags and they work real well. They just drape over the seat and have a quick release strap that attaches the bags in the rear so they won't slide forward. They open on the side which helps keep the rain out but a top load bag is easier to pack and use. They have a reflective stripe on the side but I'd look for one that also shows reflection to the rear. They have a plastic shell inside to retain it's shape and I would recommend getting bags that are lined in this fashion, that way they don't flap in the breeze. I've been caught in rain and have found that they do a pretty good job at keeping the contents dry but I do pack in zip-lock bags anyway. Keep in mind that while soft luggage is economical and convenient, they are very easy to steal. I am never real comfortable taking a pit stop or going in someplace quickly and leaving the bags on the bike. >How about tank bags? Is magnetic nicer than a regular one? How do they >mount? I have a Chase Harper 750 magnetic bag and I like it a lot. Mine is attached by a quick release buckle connected in front and magnets on two wings along the bags side. It is only rated for a couple of pounds but doesn't slide around even when significantly overloaded. I really like it and enjoy the double sided map pocket on top. you do need to be careful with magnetic data storage devices like diskettes and credit cards. A buddy of mine borrowed my bag and erased his credit cards while carrying it under his arm, he had his wallet in his coat pocket. I've never done this and when riding to work I will put my data disk on the very top and so far it has been okay. The bags that strap down at 4+ points will be more secure but require more effort mounting. When purchasing a bag keep the size of your tank and fuel filler access in mind, and definite get one with a map pocket. Bill McLoone, GS-450TXz, XS-1100H AMA, Blue Knights From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 11:34:20 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04736; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:34:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from Bangate.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17662; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:34:19 -0500 From: KRoy@XXXXXX Received: by Bangate.FDA.GOV; Wed, 29 Nov 95 11:33:56 EST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 11:33:45 EST Message-ID: X-Priority: 1 (High) To: Subject: RE: luggage X-Incognito-SN: 239 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.01a ENCRYPTED=NO On Wednesday, November 29, 1995 at 10:56:00 am EST, "McLoone, William J." wrote: >>Does any one use soft side bags? How do they mount on the bike? Are >>they easy to use? Any recommended styles/brands or are they all pretty >>similar? >I use the basic Eclipse saddle bags and they work real well. I've got Eclipe bags also - with rain covers (which I've never used). Something to consider with any bags is whether or not your bike is going to get all scuffed up. Use something protective between the bike and the bag to keep your bike pristine. My rear cowling is really screwed from carrying heavy stuff in the bags (including a bunch of moto mags I got for free from someone in Alexandria - Steve something, dang I can never remember names). >>How about tank bags? Is magnetic nicer than a regular one? How do they >>mount? I've got a magnetic bag which is convenient for the constant gas stops one must make with a HawkGT. You just stick it on the tank and it stays there. Just slap it right on. A true one second installation. It holds well enough that I even carried the front brake rotors for my car in it (wrapped in towels). I've put clear shelf lining on the tank to keep the bag from scratching the tank (wish I'd thought of this before I screwed the rear cowling). It's hardly noticeable and it keeps staples and stuff (which the bag picks up at work) from scratching. Kirk -- Kirk Roy College Park, MD '87 Raleigh TriLite '92 Paul Reed Smith EG-3 '88 Honda Hawk GT '92 Raleigh Team 753 '88 Cannondale Criterium '93 GT Borrego KRoy@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 12:25:56 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20742; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22103; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:25:55 -0500 Received: from mail.Clark.Net by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25543; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:25:54 -0500 Received: from clark.net (hacker@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA16473; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:25:49 -0500 (EST) From: Dark Hacker Received: (from hacker@localhost) by clark.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) id MAA13292; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:25:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:25:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199511291725.MAA13292@clark.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tarjan@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Channel 4 From: DMG To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Channel 4 and I got up.. but the last thing I heard was "You woulda definitly signed that too?" "Oh yeah, ESPECIALLY because it gets rid of the Motorcycle helmet law!" (I am not advocating riding without a helmet.. I allways wear mine.. Use your own judgement!) Yup, it's about time Congress trusted people to use their own judgement. Treat us like HUMAN BEINGS, not stupid animals. Repeal useless laws. Btw: I ALWAYS wear a helmet, but that's MY CHOICE. And I love having it stuck to Clinton. That guy is so pro-government, he acts like we'd all jump off a cliff like lemmings if we didn't have big brother to tell us what to do. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 13:15:30 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16671; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.rmc.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27381; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:15:10 -0500 Received: by ns.rmc.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16168; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:05:42 -0500 Received: from internet.rmc.com(137.25.3.24) by ns.rmc.com via smap (V1.3) id sma012732; Wed Nov 29 13:05:13 1995 Received: from lanmail.rmc.com by internet.rmc.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14146; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:01:59 -0500 Received: by LANMAIL.RMC.COM; Wed, 29 Nov 95 13:05:00 EST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 13:02:11 EST Message-Id: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Frank George" Subject: re:Master link chains -------------------[Reply - Original Message]------------------- Sent by:dpcook@XXXXXX (Dan Cook) Hey, does anyone know how to take a chain apart? It's an o-ring chain with a master link. ================================================================ Is the master link a press fit link or is it held together by a pin? If its a pin, remove the pin and push the master link apart. If its a press fit master link (or a continuous chain), I *think* you'll need a chain breaker (assuming you want to reuse the chain.) Most local shops carry them if you don't already have one. Frank George fegeorge@XXXXXX fgeorge@XXXXXX Reynolds Metals Company / Corporate Engineering "opinions are mine, ... mailbox is the company's" From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 15:06:43 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02623; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from reach.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08375; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:06:42 -0500 Received: from ad0.reach.com ([192.9.208.9]) by reach.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07841; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:05:25 EST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 14:31:49 EST From: acoope00@XXXXXX (Andrew Cooper -- Arent Fox - Washington ) Received: by ad0.reach.com (4.1/3.2.083191-Reach Networks) id AA03146; Wed, 29 Nov 95 14:31:49 EST Message-Id: <9511291931.AA03146@ad0.reach.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Luggage In response to Justin Laubach's inquiry regarding luggage -- I've taken a number of cross-country (literally) and cross-Canada trips (on a KZ750 Spectre and on a ZX-10), and found that the soft side luggage works just fine, with a few drawbacks. First of all, most soft luggage makes it impossible (or nearly so) to take on a passenger. If you're travelling alone on a long trip, though, that's fine, and you'd probably want to use the passenger seat for more stuff, anyhow. The soft bags I've used worked well and mounted VERY easily... literally sling them over the bike and then just fix a loop here or there. They need to be equally weighted, though, to eliminate any interference with your overall balance. I really like my newest set of soft side bags, but will have to check the manufacturer when I go home. On my previous set (OSI), the rain covers always shredded. I haven't used the rain covers on the new ones much, but they seem to work fine. Nonetheless, I'd recommend that you pack your stuff into garbage bags before packing into the saddle bags. An ounce of prevention.... Warning!!! Be very careful that neither side bag touches an exhaust pipe!!! Stupid and preventable -- so please learn from my mistake. I have an Eclipse tank bag and like it very much. It has served me well and for a long period of time on many multi-thousand mile trips. It's a little tricky to mount it the first time, but once all of the straps are in place, it's an easy three point >click< thereafter. The straps stay on even when the bag is gone. Make sure that the bottom will not scratch your tank. And be wary of vapor lock -- if the bag presses down too hard on certain kinds of gas caps, it can create a vacuum that makes gas flow impossible. I hope that this is all helpful information, and I'll try to remember to check the brand on my newer side bags tonight and report back tomorrow. D.C. Cooper (Cooper@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 15:39:27 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09442; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:39:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11457; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:39:25 -0500 Received: from [140.195.19.12] by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA25552; Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:39:23 EST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 15:39:23 EST Message-Id: <9511292039.AA25552@oasys.dt.navy.mil> X-Sender: smennitt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stu Mennitt Subject: Unsubscribe If anyone is in charge of dc-cycles, please take me off this list. It has become a miniature rec.motorcycles. I'm just not interested in all of the general purpose discussion that really belongs elsewhere. So long and ride safe. ____________________________________________________ |= Stu Mennitt smennitt@XXXXXX =| |=Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division =| |=aka, the Taylor Model Basin in Bethesda, Maryland =| |----------------------------------------------------| From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 16:30:51 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18263; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15790; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:30:49 -0500 Received: from nlm.nih.gov by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01899; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:30:48 -0500 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Received: from occshost.nlm.nih.gov (occshost [130.14.70.21]) by nlm.nih.gov (8.7.1/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA24379; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:27:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by occshost.nlm.nih.gov (5.65+/1.3) id 21813.AA; Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:27:19 GMT Message-Id: <9511291627.21813.AA@occshost.nlm.nih.gov> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:26:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, srfox@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: more dead/dying batteries >FWIW: my bike had a clock on it that stopped working. After that my battery >would >go flat quickly, which made no sense. Put an ammeter in the clock circuit >and >found a substantial current draw. Disassembled clock and found that a >resistor >roached to black mess and was acting as a direct short...which explains both >why the clock was not working and why the clock was drawing current. >The most non-essential things.... >Steve What, is BMW sourcing their clocks from Lucas? Bob From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 17:05:22 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18367; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:05:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18700; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:05:20 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02753; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:05:19 -0500 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA17840; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:05:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:05:17 -0500 Message-ID: <951129170514_38411988@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: more dead/dying batteries In a message dated 95-11-29 16:56:53 EST, Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX writes: > >What, is BMW sourcing their clocks from Lucas? > >Bob Worse: VDO at $55 a clip! (Looks like about $5 worth of clock!) S From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 17:24:35 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19011; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from reach.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20449; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:24:33 -0500 Received: from ad0.reach.com ([192.9.208.9]) by reach.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18964; Wed, 29 Nov 95 17:23:14 EST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 17:22:37 EST From: acoope00@XXXXXX (Andrew Cooper -- Arent Fox - Washington ) Received: by ad0.reach.com (4.1/3.2.083191-Reach Networks) id AA22564; Wed, 29 Nov 95 17:22:37 EST Message-Id: <9511292222.AA22564@ad0.reach.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: This list's purpose Regarding... >If anyone is in charge of dc-cycles, please take me off this >list. It has become a miniature rec.motorcycles. I'm just not >interested in all of the general purpose discussion that really >belongs elsewhere. So long and ride safe. Since the preceding request came in hard on the heels of my most recent contribution, it leads me to wonder what the stated purpose of this list might be. I had thought that it was meant for general motorcycle discussions for and about those of us in the greater D.C. area, but I'd welcome additional information, and apologize if I have participated in misuse. Thanks. D.C. Cooper From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 18:36:54 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15777; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:36:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from gonz.gonzaga.edu by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27039; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:36:50 -0500 Received: from GONZAGA.EDU by GONZAGA.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #10166) id <01HY7Y72S23K001M5Y@XXXXXX>; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:35:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: Re: luggage In-reply-to: <199511292230.RAA05011@sunblock.gsfc.nasa.gov.gsfc743> To: Greg Greer Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thanks for all the info and advice on luggage. I think I'll get some side bags and a tank bag for travelling. Can I still bungie stuff to by back seat when using the side bags? I'm pretty sure I can. That way I'd be able to puts clothes, etc. in side bags, maps, etc. in tank bag; and use my bungie net to strap my sleeping bag and tent to the back seat. I think that would work pretty well, even for a 2-week vacation. I'd just have to eat at McDonalds or buy stuff for dinner at grocery stores since I doubt I'd have room to take more than a tiny bit of food. The trip would be a blast though, especially if I had time to explore some neat areas. I'd love to get some weekend rides together with some of you members of dc-cycles next spring/summer. Maybe we could eventually get a big mailing/phone list of the regular contributors.... > > By the way, is that gonzaga.edu in your address the Gonzaga on North > Capitol Street in DC? > > Greg > '92 Ducati 907ie, in black No, it's Gonzaga University in Spokane, WA. Thanks, Justin V. Laubach jlaubach@XXXXXX 92 Yamaha Seca II From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 18:51:57 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22374; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from gonz.gonzaga.edu by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28137; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:51:55 -0500 Received: from GONZAGA.EDU by GONZAGA.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #10166) id <01HY7YPYVMAK001M5Y@XXXXXX> for DC-Cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:50:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: My Seca II (fwd) To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey all, This is the review I wrote up for my bike to another guy, I thought some of you might like to see it........ >>>Contents of Fwd Message: I'm not sure what exactly you'd like to know, but I'd be happy to share all I can with you. I bought the bike in early July 95 for $2850 w/ a cover and a Shoei RF200 helmet. The bike had about 6900 miles (it is a 1992) when I got it and just over 10,000 when I put it into storage in late August before going away to college. So i rode about 3000 miles in 2 months, not bad. I must say that the Seca is my first motorcycle, so my opinions will express my lack of experience with other cycles. I've ridden my brother's XR100 dirt bike and the CB125s we used in the MSF class, that's it. The bike was a great one to learn on, witha fairly wide powerband compared to a sportbike. It seems fairly comfortable for me to ride on, although you do get a bit sore after a few hours. I rode part of the Blue Ridge Parkway last summer and put on about 950 miles in 2 and a half days. The bike did great, and the final day of 400 miles was tolerable, if not comfy. The bike is red and looks like new. I think it is a good looking bike and the upper fairing provides a decent amount of wind protection. Economy is great with 50-60 miles per gallon. It should go close to 200 miles w/o reserve (highway). (4.5 gal tank -.9 of it is reserve). A centerstand is necessary for lubing the chain, etc. I don't know what I'd do without one. Mine has only required oil, chain lube, and a new front tire adn disc brake pad. I got a K591 Dunlop and didn't really notice too much improvement in grip and the tire is wearing FAST! I'd like to find a good compromise tire that will last a long time. Note that the engine is a bit slow to warm up, though. I go to school in Washington and live in Virginia, so I decided to store my bike for the school year in my parents hoouse. So I won't be riding until next May. I plan on riding cross country to school on the Seca. With sidebags, tank bag, and Bungie net holding tent and sleeping bag, I think it would be a blast! I'm very happy with my Seca! It has the looks, performance, reliability, and standard-insurance rates I'm looking for. I wanted a fairly new bike and the 92 seems to be a good compromise. If buying new right now, I'd probably get a Suzuki Bandit (600). This bike looks similar, but is much faster than the Seca. It needs valve adjustments at 5000 miles vs. 15000 for mine, though. It is a new model for 96 so you couldn't get one used. I'd check out cycle world and other magazines for reviews, etc. I believe the approximate stats are: about 50 hp 0-60 in 4.4 secs 1/4 mile in about 13.0 at 100 mph 60-0 breaking in about 125 ft. top speed about 115 mph (I've only hit 105, though) Well, I hope you've enjoyed my tirade. Let me know what else you are considering and what you decide! E-mail if you have any other questions need more info. Good Luck! from, Justin V. Laubach (JLaubach@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 20:35:56 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27561; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05492; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:35:55 -0500 Received: from mtolympus.ari.net by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06499; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:35:54 -0500 Received: from downeybr.ari.net (downeybr.ari.net [198.69.193.206]) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.6.12/09161995) with SMTP id UAA26628 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:34:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199511300134.UAA26628@mtolympus.ari.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Brian Downey" Organization: PSA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:33:32 +0000 Subject: Re: Channel 4 Reply-to: brdowney@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) > "Oh yeah, ESPECIALLY because it gets rid of the Motorcycle helmet law!" > > heh I just liked that :> > > (I am not advocating riding without a helmet.. I allways wear mine.. Use > your own judgement!) > > -Scot Scot et al, I've seen a lot of comment lately on the (all too many) biker lists to which I subscribe, and I think a lot of people out there may be a little confused about the repeal of the Federal nat'l speed limit and helmet reqmts. My understanding is that the Prez's signature does away with _neither_ speed limits nor helmet laws ... it just makes it easier for the States to set their own speed limits and helmet rules without fear of Fed extortion with shared highway funds. Eh?? Anybody actually read the thing? I'm getting it all 2nd hand. ObMoto: Did anybody else blurt a swift "aw shit" when viewing the white carpet on hedge and lawn this early AM?? I rode anyway ... by the time I got out to Rte7 from my quiet backstreet neighborhood I could take the front ski off (I say, that's a joke, son. A funny.) and was on mostly clear road from there to Crystal City. Got some weird looks from the 4wheeled conventional thinkers, I can tell you. Keeping the shiny side up, BD __________________ =--(')(') ___________________bfd___ Brian Downey """ brdowney@XXXXXX Falls Church, VA brdowney@XXXXXX '84 750 Interceptor DoD#4657 ex-USN 2 man childs this just in: rcr40420 ... and '74 Fender Precision Bass From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 20:53:23 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29466; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06653; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:53:22 -0500 From: BKVA1@XXXXXX Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA02461 for DC-Cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:52:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:52:51 -0500 Message-ID: <951129205237_120412951@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX cc: BKVA1@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Luggage On the subject of Luggage - I used the Honda nylon saddlebags when I bought my Shadow in Texas. I rode home and kept them on for maybe two months. They faded badly and the right side slipped down and melted on my muffler. Expensive for new chrome. I've used them rarely in the last two years. I recently bought the expandable T-Bag and have fallen in love with it (as far as luggage goes) It works as a backrest or I can turn it around to rest on the luggage rack behind the seat and carry a passenger also. Extremely well made - I did have a waterproof cover made for it. The professional camping store seamstress that made the cover (like a laundry bag) said the T-Bag's cordura material was of a superior waterproof type she had never seen before. The one catch is that the T-Bag needs a sissy bar to mount on. Dennis From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 29 21:38:23 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03770; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 21:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from nova.org by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA09723; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 21:38:18 -0500 Received: by nova.org (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M) id AA00435; Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:39:58 -0500 Message-Id: <9511292139.AA00435@nova.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <9511292039.AA25552@oasys.dt.navy.mil> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.0) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Thomas Piergallini Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:39:57 -0500 To: Stu Mennitt Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: pierre@XXXXXX References: <9511292039.AA25552@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Stu wrote: > If anyone is in charge of dc-cycles, please take me off this list. > It has become a miniature rec.motorcycles. I'm just not interested > in all of the general purpose discussion that really belongs > elsewhere. So long and ride safe. > ____________________________________________________ |= Stu Mennitt > smennitt@XXXXXX =| |=Naval Surface Warfare Center, > Carderock Division =| |=aka, the Taylor Model Basin in Bethesda, > Maryland =| |----------------------------------------------------| > Now this certainly suprises me. I guess you liked the 2 mailnotes a year the group was existing on. I am here for the comradere as much as the information. People like to hear the opinions of people that are like themselves. I like to think that DC-cycles folks are similiar to myself, hence I like hearing their opinions even on non-motorcycle topics. Never forget it is called the "delete" key. I scan mail based on Subject line. You write a stupid or uninteresting subject line, I do not read your note. Stu, stay. You have been on this list for many years. It would not be the same without you. --- Thomas Piergallini 3Com Primary Access Network Engineer EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me NeXTmail and MIME From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 30 07:56:58 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA18731; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from bbs.os2bbs.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12805; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:56:55 -0500 Received: from [152.123.182.169] by bbs.os2bbs.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; id AA1617; Thu, 30 Nov 95 07:56:47 -0500 Message-Id: <9511301256.AA1617@bbs.os2bbs.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 08:08:39 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) Reply-To: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Cold fingers; chunks of ice That's all that got cold on me this morning for the ride in. And chunks of ice were still on my bike when I got into town! It was wet Tues night when I got home so I didn't cover it. Wed morning it had about an inch of heavy, wet snow on it. I brushed off what I could. I wondered if anything would be frozen this morning! Nothing was, but it sure took the engine a *long* time to warm up. This bike is more sensitive to the choke position when the engine is cold than either of my previous bikes like this. I gotta lube that choke cable ... too hard to adjust. Glad I have synthetic oil in the engine ... I'd hate to try starting the engine with petroleum goo in it. Got about half an inch of ice on the inside of my faceshield before I lifted it to let my breath out. The Fog City Fog Shield worked like a champ ... now I need a heated faceshield to keep off the ice! Think it's time to install the Hippo hands, a great way to keep hands warm. warmly yours, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 30 08:30:54 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19740; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14880; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:30:49 -0500 Received: from nlm.nih.gov by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13889; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:30:48 -0500 From: Robert_Meyer@XXXXXX Received: from occshost.nlm.nih.gov (occshost [130.14.70.21]) by nlm.nih.gov (8.7.1/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA00417; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by occshost.nlm.nih.gov (5.65+/1.3) id 21813.AA; Thu, 30 Nov 95 08:30:31 GMT Message-Id: <9511300830.21813.AA@occshost.nlm.nih.gov> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 08:27:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, brdowney@XXXXXX, Tom_Hormuth@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Channel 4 >My understanding is that the Prez's signature does away with >_neither_ speed limits nor helmet laws ... it just makes it easier >for the States to set their own speed limits and helmet rules without >fear of Fed extortion with shared highway funds. Eh?? Anybody >actually read the thing? I'm getting it all 2nd hand. Correct From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 30 08:54:52 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24600; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16330; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:54:51 -0500 Received: from stsci.edu by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14224; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:54:50 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (AYSCUE@STOSC) by avion.stsci.edu (PMDF V5.0-5 #11544) id <01HY8YF6KIBK90MVB9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:54:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:54:12 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Ayscue Subject: unsubcribe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01HY8YF6MDUA90MVB9@avion.stsci.edu> X-VMS-To: STSCIC::IN%"dc-cycles@XXXXXX" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Guys, I'm just too busy with work right now to keep up with the mail. Could whoever's the list manager unsubscribe me? thanks Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 30 09:32:08 1995 Received: by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13897; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:32:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199511301432.JAA13897@krishna.cs.UMD.EDU> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unsubcribe In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:54:12 EST." <01HY8YF6MDUA90MVB9@XXXXXX> X-uri: http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/harry/ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:32:06 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos >Guys, I'm just too busy with work right now to keep up with the mail. Could >whoever's the list manager unsubscribe me? It is never appropriate to send an unsubscribe request to a mailing list itself, there is always an administrative address associated with a mailing list to which you send unsubscribe requests so that the list members aren't bothered by your request. This is very commonly an address of the form 'listname-request', and indeed if you had guessed that sending to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX would have reached the dc-cycles list maintainer, you would have guessed correctly. Please forward your unsubscribe request to the appropriate address. Thanks, -harry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Spoken: Harry Mantakos Domain: harry@XXXXXX UUCP: ames!mimsy!harry Phone: 301-405-2750 USPS: U of Maryland, CS Dept., College Park, MD 20742 From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 30 10:55:35 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01710; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from bbs.os2bbs.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26274; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:55:34 -0500 Received: from [152.123.182.169] by bbs.os2bbs.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; id AA2887; Thu, 30 Nov 95 10:55:33 -0500 Message-Id: <9511301555.AA2887@bbs.os2bbs.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 11:07:27 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) Reply-To: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Re: Cold fingers; chunks of ice I have an old pair I haven't used for a while, but think I'll install them (and an old pair for sale). The last place I saw real Hippo Hands was in the Dennis Kirk catalog. They have an 800 number, and they usually advertise in the mainstream motorcycle magazines. Chris On Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:58:00 -0500 (EST) you wrote: >Chris- >the only product I could find this year was called "Polar Hands", for >about 40 bucks locally, 32.99 from Chapparral >Dave > >On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Chris Norloff wrote: > >> That's all that got cold on me this morning for the ride in. And chunks of ice were still on my bike when I got into town! It was wet Tues night when I got home so I didn't cover it. Wed morning it had about an inch of heavy, wet snow on it. I brushed off what I could. I wondered if anything would be frozen this morning! Nothing was, but it sure took the engine a *long* time to warm up. This bike is more sensitive to the choke position when the engine is cold than either of my previous bikes like this. I gotta lube that choke cable ... too hard to adjust. Glad I have synthetic oil in the engine ... I'd hate to try starting the engine with petroleum goo in it. >> >> Got about half an inch of ice on the inside of my faceshield before I lifted it to let my breath out. The Fog City Fog Shield worked like a champ ... now I need a heated faceshield to keep off the ice! >> >> Think it's time to install the Hippo hands, a great way to keep hands warm. >> >> warmly yours, >> Chris Norloff >> > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 30 17:14:18 1995 Received: by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA31405; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:14:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199511302214.RAA31405@krishna.cs.UMD.EDU> To: acoope00@XXXXXX (Andrew Cooper -- Arent Fox - Washington ) cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This list's purpose In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:22:37 EST." <9511292222.AA22564@XXXXXX> X-uri: http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/harry/ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:14:16 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos >Since the preceding request came in hard on the heels of my most >recent contribution, it leads me to wonder what the stated purpose >of this list might be... This list has no _stated_ purpose, in that nobody has ever stated what the purpose is. Obviously it's a dc-specific mailing list for motorcyclists, so the primary need it fills is as a forum for issues specific to the dc area, things like organizing group rides, area roads, local dealers, local legislation, the local racing scene, etc. However, since the "global"-level forums like rec.motorcycles are so swamped with traffic, it's very tempting to also take advantage of a "smaller" forum like this for discussing general motorcycling issues like evaluating bikes and accessories, service and maintenance, social and political issues, etc. In some sense, this type of stuff doesn't belong here since it isn't specific to the dc area, but on the other hand I think there is a need for forums with a saner level of traffic than rec.motorcycles, and "regional" discussion lists are a plausible choice for this. My personal belief is that general discussion on this list is fine as long as it doesn't transform this list into another forum with an unmanageable level of traffic, which would defeat the whole purpose. Personally, I'm on a number of mailing lists and I get about 800 email messages a day on average, and find that it takes about 1-3 seconds for me to determine that a message isn't interesting to me and to skip over it, so I don't worry too much about traffic until it gets fairly high. It looks like the dc-cycles list has averaged about 7 messages a day this month, which I don't think is particularly unmanageable (by my personal standards, if every message was uninteresting it would take me about 14 seconds to go through them all). However, I'm inclined to say that the charter of this list is whatever the majority of the 130 or so current members decide it should be, so I encourage anyone with an opinion to chime in. -harry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Spoken: Harry Mantakos Domain: harry@XXXXXX UUCP: mimsy!harry Phone: 301-405-2750 USPS: U of Maryland, CS Dept., College Park, MD 20742 From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 30 18:06:26 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02374; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:06:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pimaia2y.prodigy.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06413; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:06:24 -0500 Received: from mail.prodigy.com ([199.4.137.13]) by pimaia2y.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA22892 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:03:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:03:10 EST From: ELXN03A@XXXXXX (MR CLAUDE B NOLEN) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-319.50] Message-Id: <013.05808966.ELXN03A@prodigy.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Great Escape It is not possible to say this without sounding like I'm bragging, and most people live wherever their vocation dictates... but... You folks need to escape that frozen wasteland. After two years in the BaltiWash metropolis, I moved to the Southwest. We have sunshine every day and highs in the upper 70's. Not quite as much to see out here, but the scooter conditions are primo. Get out while you can! @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ C.B. Nolen - Iron Butt American Iron Riders Motorcycle Club El Paso - Republic of Texas ELXN03A@XXXXXX 1991 HD 883 Sportster (custom) Suck Squeeze Bang Blow @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 30 20:42:37 1995 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08953; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 20:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix13.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19667; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 20:42:35 -0500 Received: from by ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id RAA23515; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:41:00 -0800 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:41:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199512010141.RAA23515@ix13.ix.netcom.com> From: lucas.m@XXXXXX (Mark J. Lucas ) Subject: Re: Great Escape To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You wrote: > >It is not possible to say this without sounding like I'm bragging, >and most people live wherever their vocation dictates... but... You >folks need to escape that frozen wasteland. After two years in the >BaltiWash metropolis, I moved to the Southwest. We have sunshine >every day and highs in the upper 70's. Not quite as much to see out >here, but the scooter conditions are primo. Get out while you can! >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >C.B. Nolen - Iron Butt >American Iron Riders Motorcycle Club >El Paso - Republic of Texas >ELXN03A@XXXXXX >1991 HD 883 Sportster (custom) >Suck Squeeze Bang Blow >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Sorry, I was there for college, and now my ex-wife, a cop, is there. Wouldn't go back for just the *weather*. Besides, I ride plenty in the winter. Just gotta dress warm! Ride safe! -- Ride in peace, Mark lucas.m@XXXXXX DoD# 1827 AMA# 697583 '84 Kawasaki 305 => '94 Honda Shadow VLX => '95 Honda Pacific Coast