From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 09:14:29 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 06:14:23 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Place to leave a cage along I95 South To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've used the Park and Ride at the intersection of 234 and I-95 with no problems. Glenn --- David Blumgart wrote: > My wife and I have plans later next month for a trip > down south. Circumstances dictate that I'll ride > over from Herndon; she'll be driving the cage down > from Maryland. The plan is to meet somewhere along > I95 south of the VA Beltway and leave the car on > Saturday and perhaps some of Sunday, then retrieve > it for the drive home. It'd be real neat not to > find our car towed away in our absence, and not > broken in to would be a bonus. Any suggestions? > > mojohand > (GS-500E; W650) > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 10:32:40 2004 Subject: Replies to a quick ride report Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:32:37 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "dc Cycles" Any time on the bike is better then most things I can think of. I managed to get up after about four hours sleep and ride all day yesterday. Maryland is a treasure..saw High Rock for the first time and got some great pics of a few bikes..wil have to figure out where to post them. Rode a KLR yesterday...what a blast!!!!!! I would love to do 211 after my bike get sout of the shop..the brakes are not grabbing and I an waiting on a new front wheel..hope your bike arrives soon. As to that dreaded job I have two, by day as an analyst at a small software firm, by night slinging drinks...this is an expensive hobby! -----Original Message----- From: smthng else [mailto:smthngelse@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:54 AM To: dc Cycles Subject: Re: Out sick - gone riding > Back on the 66 and a JMU law student is pacing me in her Toyota Corolla. > Passes me cuts in front of me and brakes. I signal, pass left and head > back into the right lane. She pulls out passes me and does the cut in > and brake dance. B-E-0-T-C-H! I hate that. Seems to happen a lot on 66 as well. Generally that indicates to me that the bike either needs a brief exercise at redline or I need to pull over somewhere and take a quick break. :P > The colors seem different this year. No vibrant reds.....just russet > brown. I seem to recall it being like that the past two years. Unfortunately, it doesn't take very much to convince our Shenandoah trees to drop thier leaves and one or two rains pretty much knocks off anything of color. It's gorgeous when you can catch the leaves turning, but it's generally got to be a pretty dry season for that to happen. I ride till Bootens Gap and then turn around. Chilled to the > Anyday not at my desk is a great one but I felt a little let down by > Virginia yesterday. The minute I hit Falls Church I was back in the > sun and the atmosphere brightened. Sounds a little like my two days of following the hurricane. Not a whole lot of fun, but hella better than work. Speaking of which... "your desk"? Did you get a new job and not tell? While I don't envy the job I thought you had (did that in college for a while), I seem to recall that your desk is "stocked" like I wish mine was at times. :) > 211 was kind of like Luke Skywalker's > vision in a cave...a grim warning of what could be. The cold asphalt > and my tire were not bonding and there was a lot of traffic. I love 211 on a weekday afternoon around 2 or 3 pm, but hate it on weekends or in bad weather. It's loads of fun when you can really play on it, but it's fairly nerve-wracking in other conditions. Maybe we can get a decent run up there when I get my new scoot, hopefully before the weather turns really nasty for the winter. I'll email you off-list when I get an idea of when I might be able to if you like (still waiting on new bike... hopefully this week some time - I can convince the bosses I need a mental day for that). :) --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 10:58:50 2004 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:58:45 -0500 To: "dc Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Replies to a quick ride report At 10:32 AM 11/1/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: >Any time on the bike is better then most things I can think of. I >managed to get up after about four hours sleep and ride all day You know how your body responds better than anyone else, so I just want to make a generic note that fatigue is just about as crippling to good riding ability as drinking is...please be careful about it. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 11:39:03 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:38:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , dc Cycles Subject: Halloween ride report, was Re: Replies to a quick ride report Shameless plug time. All the sordid details and a few pictures here on my site -- www.wilsonline.org It *was* a beautiful day. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton Any time on the bike is better then most things I can think of. I managed to get up after about four hours sleep and ride all day yesterday. Maryland is a treasure..saw High Rock for the first time and got some great pics of a few bikes..wil have to figure out where to post them. Rode a KLR yesterday...what a blast!!!!!! ..... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 13:13:21 2004 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:12:36 -0500 From: Skip To: DC Cycles , sabmag Subject: ride report I've been commuting on my bike, but that isn't what I like, as it's been all highway -- all of the risk, very little of the reward. I've pretty much worn out my rear doing it, and I needed some twisties. so I was talking to a guy at a halloween party about going for a ride, and he's definitely up for it. It's late, and folks are into their cups, but he says that he'll definitely call me before noon. I rang him up at 12:10, and he was still in recovery mode from the previous night's activities, and begged off. I walk out side, an I'm dazzled by the day. nice temps, not a cloud in the sky, the smell of leaves in the air. I fire up the willing engine, responding with a sputter, cause my choke passages are a bit clogged, but she starts. where to go....where to go? Well, since I'm in "The Chester of Win" the answer is what Horace Greely was purported to have said, "Go West, young man!" I head out what I thought was 50, but it turned out to be 522. no matter, I've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes... wait. make that 1/4 tank of gas, and two smokes. rolling along, I recognize, I think, the turn to go to my dad's mountain retreat, "Haute View". I take the road. it seems familiar, but I hadn't been up there in a couple years. I'm not entirely sure if I'm on the right road or not, but the day is just beautiful. I've got my gear on and I'm perfectly comfortable. the trees, while past their peak, are still blazing fulgently in the sunshine. I pass the turn for "Paw Paw" and see a sign for "slanesville". Hey! I'm on the right road! At Slanesville I fill up the tank... $2.03/gal is a bit steep, but when you're only getting 5 gallons, it doesn't really matter. I turn up the road towards pop's place, and it's just perfect. nice sweepers, relaxed cruising at 80. as we climb the mountain, things get more technical, and I'm still cruising, albeit a little more aggressively... the bike flicking back and forth, rolling on the throttle as I exit one turn, setting up for the next. no one's in front of me, no one is behind. West Virginia is, for the moment, all mine. Cresting the mountain, I glimpse a valley. miles and miles of nothing, save some power lines. You can have the most beautiful view in the world in west virginia, so long as you don't mind the power lines. At the bottom of the mountain I turn up another road. this is a bit more technical, and a bit more unfamiliar. I'm in full on carving mode, not hauling ass, but just fully in the moment. I crest a hill, the road turns left, and my turn is to he right, onto gravel. I decide that i've missed the turn as soon as I see it, and I'll just turn around at the next opportunity, a "neighborhood" another 100 yds up the road. I can see where the water runs across the gravel entrance road, and there's a little bit of a ditch. noting much, a couple inches at most. except it's more like 12 inches, just full of leaves to camouflage it. the front wheel drops and stops. I was prepared for a bit of a bump, so I don't fall over. in fact, I don't even need to put my feet down. "Hmmm," says I, "This isn't good." we (me and the bike) were stuck. a little throttle results in a little spinning wheel. hmmm. perhaps this would be a good time for a smoke and some inspection. I get off, the bike remains upright. hmmm. checking things out, it looks like there is no was in hell I can pull the front out by myself, but if I move the rear, I can probably get it into the ditch too, and maybe move it 'downstream' where the ditch isn't so bad. I really only need to make it about 3 or 4 feet. Yeah, I know what you're thinking, and I was thinking the same thing. I'm going to go from one wheel stuck in the ditch to both, but stuck is stuck, and if it's one wheel or both and I need help, I need help. better to do something and maybe make it than to do nothing and not make it for sure. V65 sabre's are heavy. I mean -really heavy- I succeeded in getting the rear into the ditch, and wonder of wonders, it rolled right out. yay me! I make it up to pop's cabin, can't remember the combination for the gate, but I remember where the spare key is stored. I chill out for an hour or so, and head back. probably 2 hours of riding, 20 minutes in the ditch, all of it glorious. time for new rubber on the rear. I've worn through the tread rubber in at least one place, and it slipped out on me as I rolled on coming through a turn. that made things a bit more exciting :~) I maintained smooth throttle and just rode it out. I did have one fuckup that could have turned really bad if I'd been at 9/10ths instead of 5... I come out of one lefthander and misread the road. it went hard right, and it looked like it went straight. I pushed right, I leaned right, I started in bad position, and I was scraping already. I braked. I stayed in my lane, so chances are I would have made the turn, but it was cresting a hill, and I wasn't confident my tires were going to hold traction. On the ride back, I followed a considerate driver. he made a pass on a slow car, and I followed. i kept a nice following distance on him cause he wasn't holding me up much at all. we drove for a few miles, and he pulled over and waved me by. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 14:36:22 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dealer charge to replace fork seals? Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:35:57 -0500 I seem to recall independant motorcycle shops charging about 60 per side... I guess you can expect the dealer to charge more and thus i'm not very helpful I remember there being in the archive somewhere a post with leon explaining how to do it yourself... which I need to dig up because i have a few I need to do. - Danny On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:49:21 -0500, "Gary Foreman" wrote: >Anyone know what the going rate is to change fork seals? Either with forks >on or off the bike? > >This just for reference for a friend. > >Gary Foreman > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 15:24:55 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eXyTaiueHJWaAsdYInwEOKUa4q4s3FxE+Zz2oxZdkSKDbTsbsmxNO1BXHlW3aEVzXcBv5AsLqedRaLox4i74sLjZyTBY1glAIy1jhVnGbre+X4AGkuP0vyAU34qODI5ysVkLu6g2Q/tFw9HpHrBRLX7ucr+HtZ0Fv8eUM2MtVc4= Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:24:43 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: dc Cycles Subject: Ural? Okay - so I've got this crazy idea that maybe it's time to expand the stable. Since my R1150GS is pretty much a do everything except snow/ice bike, I thought maybe I should round out my collection with a hack - a Ural sidecar rig to be specific. Probably the Patrol, 'cause you gotta dig 2WD (never know when you might get stuck in a ditch, for instance). Somebody please talk me out of it, or at least let me know if there are any recommended dealers around . . . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 15:45:53 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:45:34 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Ural? To: Aaron Maurer , dc Cycles Paul Pelland rode a Ural in the Iron Butt Rally in '01. His story is out on the 'net somewhere. In 10,000 miles, he used 3 different engines. To get the third one to finish, he had to replace a pushrod. At the end of the story, the best he could say about it was that it was the most repairable bike he ever rode. Isn't there a way to connect a sidecar to your R1150GS? If not, perhaps you should consider the Honda Nighthawk 250 and hack similar to what Virginia MSF was using a few years ago. Leon Ninja 250 - didn't have to change engines during the IBR. --- Aaron Maurer wrote: > Okay - so I've got this crazy idea that maybe it's > time to expand the > stable. Since my R1150GS is pretty much a do > everything except > snow/ice bike, I thought maybe I should round out my > collection with a > hack - a Ural sidecar rig to be specific. Probably > the Patrol, 'cause > you gotta dig 2WD (never know when you might get > stuck in a ditch, for > instance). > > Somebody please talk me out of it, or at least let > me know if there > are any recommended dealers around . . . > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 15:52:57 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=n7tzquHeS26Fx6b81NTyhvXYQ6QXlM5Jq7cV3JDU3EJen6eeDk2F+8sZ//BprKtZ6kWDg16PihBisy1JP3yjtfWfMHmAqXdO1C29AoCVGKp3yYoSTvTke+ddeGeq2TZHqdOLNFY2tH6axBtuoGEx8OAagslsOHCEdn85M+W7UFg= Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:52:38 -0500 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: Aaron Maurer Subject: Re: Ural? Cc: dc Cycles > Somebody please talk me out of it, or at least let me know if there > are any recommended dealers around . . . There was a dealer in Winchester a few years back was selling Urals. Just off I-81 north of the city - East side of exit 321, if I remember correctly. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 16:01:34 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:01:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Aaron Maurer , dc Cycles Subject: Re: Ural? Cc: bmckeithen@XXXXXX Bob McKeithen has a sidecar rig of some description. I'll try to smoke him out with a cc. He's on digest and might not see this thread. Chris Norloff has one too, as I recall. OTOH, I've done OK on just two wheels (plus two feet, AKA outriggers) for the past four winters. I've missed maybe ten days of riding to work due to snow and ice. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Maurer Okay - so I've got this crazy idea that maybe it's time to expand the stable. Since my R1150GS is pretty much a do everything except snow/ice bike, I thought maybe I should round out my collection with a hack - a Ural sidecar rig to be specific. .... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 16:04:06 2004 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 1 Nov 2004 21:03:45 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:03:44 -0500 Subject: Ural? Whooboy.... From The Iron Butt website. Quite funny. "...Just the reverse was true for rider Paul Pelland. Paul and the Siberian Speed Team Ural Solo had not made the earlier Pomona checkpoint. Most had assumed that the Russian built bike was deadski when the URAL went missing at Pomona. Many assumed that Paul might now be sipping Vodka somewhere in the southeast, mourning the loss of this flower of mother Russia's mechanical manufacturing might and his chance at an Iron Butt finish. But Nyet! Paul had traveled about one hundred miles from Madison when the URAL's engine seized. This was surprising as many URAL's have been known to travel many hundreds of miles without experiencing serious engine problems. Paul was able to locate a URAL dealer and was towed east for repair. Since the large 750CC engine is new to the 2001 model year, the only option open to Paul was a swap for an older 650CC engine. The swap would leave Paul without the advanced state-of-art 750CC engine features like electric start. Paul resumed his stalled rally and headed west. He got as far as Arkansas when again he almost ran out of Hope. The URAL's stolid suspension was quickly compressed by a road depression resulting in a medium speed wobble. The precision handlebar mounted steering dampener could not overcome this vicious assault of Arkansas roadway. A tank slapper ensued and the Siberian Speed Team was once again sadly grounded. After a copious application of duct tape, the injection of two tubes of JBWeld and the artful manipulation of the URAL multipurpose tool (a two pound hammer) Paul continued his westward assault to collect a gas receipt in lieu of the missed checkpoint. After arriving in Pomona he putted north. Along his route he was able to enjoy nine additional unscheduled rest breaks. Miraculously these breaks coincided perfectly with the occurrence of connector failures and mismatched wiring harness anomalies resulting from the earlier engine swap. At Sunnyside Paul took advantage of the crack URAL field warranty repair service provided in the parking lot of the adjacent Travelodge. A sparkling new 750CC engine, the only other in North America, replaced the JBWeld encrusted 650cc workhorse. Its scars now covered, its cracks concealed, it's power plant reloaded, the Airhead was now ready. As was the URAL...." -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 18:01:46 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:01:12 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Ural? To: dc Cycles My brother down in TX just added a sidecar to his 2004 Silver Wing. He and his wife are loving it for puddling around the Dallas area, as an alternative to breaking out the Valkyrie and Magna. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 19:31:27 2004 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 19:31:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: David Blumgart CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ural? Whooboy.... David Blumgart wrote: > From The Iron Butt website. > > > "... Siberian Speed Team...." After all these years, that *still* cracks me up. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 05:10:28 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 05:08:12 -0500 Subject: Side cars/Ural etc From: Bob McKeithen To: amaurer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) (Debian) at filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Paul is correct. My rig is a '93 Moto Guzzi California III with a Ural sidecar. I considered and researched the Ural for a couple of years. They have improved dramatically in the last three years and are wonderful bikes if used as they where intended. With only thirty some horse power they are best suited for two lane slower roads--not a bad thing--but somewhat limited for all around use. After all though we may hate them, we have to use the interstate at times. The low horse power limits top speed to about sixty to sixty-five. And you need to remember that is maxed out. So, if you only want a "snow bike", I would say go for it as long as you realize the limitations. In the end I wanted something more broadly useful. I wanted to be able to do long distance two passenger and luggage touring if I choose. My rig will run comfortably at 80 mph all day. For Winter I have installed a Dunlop Trailmax rear tire. I have less than $8000 invested in my outfit A couple notes on side cars in general. Don't get one if you don't enjoy talking to strangers. People at gas stations will want to talk to you about it. The cage-bound public generally reacts more positively to the side driver than the solo rider. They smile, point and wave on the road--especially when I have one of the dogs in the car and the dogs love it too. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 06:08:14 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 03:08:11 -0800 (PST) From: Buster Rockville Subject: Tire Recommendations for a ZZR 600 (Vintage Sportbike) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey guys, I ride an '02 ZZR 600 (vintage sportbike now considered a sport tourer) and am in need of a front tire. The bike has ~9000 miles and still wears the stock tires (bridgestone battlax BT series). The owner's manual recommends the following tires as possible replacements ( bridgestone battlax BT, michelin A89X, pirelli MTR01, or Metzler MEZ1's). Which one of these tires would you recommend for sport touring use? I often ride with various sportbike groups on the weekends. Also, is it bad to mix tire brands/models on the front and rear? The rear tires on my bike still have some life on them. Thanks in adv! Jeff from Rockville __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 06:30:27 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 03:30:17 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Out sick - gone riding To: dc Cycles --- Dave Yates wrote: > >At 10:39 AM 10/29/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > > > >>you still with me, I need some recommendations on > layering. > >Electric vest/pants/gloves/socks/grips? (though > probably > >not all of those unless your alternator is exceptionally > > >beefy!) > > [Dave] All modern sport bikes can handle electrics, > unless > they have panache... i finally got a gerbings liner last xmas.... and i am no longer an idiot. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 06:35:57 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 06:53:55 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Tire Recommendations for a ZZR 600 (Vintage Sportbike) On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Buster Rockville wrote: > The owner's manual recommends the following tires as > possible replacements ( bridgestone battlax BT, > michelin A89X, pirelli MTR01, or Metzler MEZ1's). > Which one of these tires would you recommend for sport > touring use? I often ride with various sportbike > groups on the weekends. I haven't used one, but the BT020 should fit the bill for your bike. I've used a BT010 on my 'Busa and it worked well on the rear, delivering around 3500 miles of use. I have a more aggressive BT014 on the bike now. > Also, is it bad to mix tire brands/models on the front > and rear? The rear tires on my bike still have some > life on them. I've used different BT-series tires front/rear (damn bike east rear tires ;-)), but I wouldn't mismatch brands front/rear. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 06:42:12 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 03:42:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire Recommendations for a ZZR 600 (Vintage Sportbike) To: Buster Rockville , dc-cycles@XXXXXX jeff: it's best to stick with the same tire combination front/rear, but many folks have had success interchanging the right radials. however, at 9k (and 2+ years), you likely need both front AND rear tires -- so why not get a matching set. and don't be fooled by the tread wear indicators.... the last tread left in a tire goes very quickly. you'll be back for the rear a few rides later. go to cad in g-burg (301 977-7188?). they'll stock plenty of rubber to fit your zx. --- Buster Rockville wrote: > Hey guys, > > I ride an '02 ZZR 600 (vintage sportbike now > considered a sport tourer) and am in need of a front > tire. The bike has ~9000 miles and still wears the > stock tires (bridgestone battlax BT series). > > The owner's manual recommends the following tires as > possible replacements ( bridgestone battlax BT, > michelin A89X, pirelli MTR01, or Metzler MEZ1's). > Which one of these tires would you recommend for sport > touring use? I often ride with various sportbike > groups on the weekends. > > Also, is it bad to mix tire brands/models on the front > and rear? The rear tires on my bike still have some > life on them. > > Thanks in adv! > > Jeff from Rockville > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 06:46:12 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 03:46:04 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: VTX/cruiser range To: "De Boeser, Tom" , DC-CYCLES the modified vtx in question sounds like it is tuned incorrectly. (was power commander professionally installed and tuned?) similar to when i picked up a bad fi chip. bike ran REALLY rich and got a little better than half the mileage it should have. new chip solved everything. --- "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > Hey, > Gotta buddy considering buying a used '03 VTX, its got > vanson pipes > and a power commander. The owner has graciously let my > buddy ride to > work a coupla time this week. The tank range doesn't > seem right. It's > 4.5gal, my buddy says he can't make a round trip. He > needs to stop on > the way back home, his commute is about 45 miles one way. > So he's > around 90miles on the tank without much left in it. > I see mostly cruisers on my way to work, and I know > they are probably > 50+ miles one way (i see them at beginning on 95 HOV, and > they don't get > off a last exit before pentagon). It seems to me a stock > VTX should get > 120 to 130 miles to the tank. > Do any cruiser types have similar experience? Does a > VTX get really > bad gas mileage? He's gonna play with the power > commander, and he > doesn't ride too fast 65 to 75mph. He likes cruisers, > and this bike is > a good deal, talking him into a touring bike won't work > ;). > > Thanks for any input, > > Tom de '03 ST1300 > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 10:18:48 2004 Reply-To: fgrefe@XXXXXX From: "Fred Grefe" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:18:43 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 3320233de968f2c594f5150ab1c16ac08f4233f47979de26b1540be5cf1e9976b5ae8d5786d7213f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c I need to pick up a motorcycle in Ohio and I am currently truckless. I thought about getting one of the small trucks from u-haul, but when the mileage charges get added on it will be too expensive. Does anyone know if there is a rental place that won't charge for mileage? I'm in Manassas if that helps. Thanks, Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 10:52:40 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:51:58 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Bob McKeithen , amaurer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Side cars/Ural etc Or, Riderwearhouse will sell you a stud gun and 1,000 carbide-tipped tire studs for ~$350. A little too hard core for me. If it's too slippery for knobbies, I think I'll keep it parked. The Aerostich catalog has a photo of Paul Pelland making pushrods for his Ural on a grinder at a hardware store. :) 30 hp, eh? How much do those Urals weigh? The KLR650 only makes about 35 hp, and apparently folks have fitted them with sidecars. -----Original Message----- From: Bob McKeithen Paul is correct. My rig is a '93 Moto Guzzi California III with a Ural sidecar. I considered and researched the Ural for a couple of years. They have improved dramatically in the last three years and are wonderful bikes if used as they where intended. ... Bob Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 11:57:49 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=mNuEjORUi4SyNeEN4AmZ41W8J8hbT4GL6ug88oTolE0MiNnrvJI6ZUubLFzWA9py13ONf/9SyTTtFLrdy5ieXsTmdWAMyV5FFJHhSXDe7p26fAmTmtnRa6Pf6mJUbNZulkDp3YiGh4LhJmVJ6o4gDz5kLA9Oxi/usauYvekfEwM= Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:57:47 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: Side cars/Ural etc Cc: Bob McKeithen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX The new 750 cc Urals have a little more power, but those in the know still suggest 65 mph as the top sustained speed. Here's a great resource -- login as a guest and browse away. http://imzwa.secureforum.com/login It looks like the closest dealer is in Richmond. On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:51:58 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Paul Wilson wrote: > Or, Riderwearhouse will sell you a stud gun and 1,000 carbide-tipped tire studs for ~$350. A little too hard core for me. If it's too slippery for knobbies, I think I'll keep it parked. > > The Aerostich catalog has a photo of Paul Pelland making pushrods for his Ural on a grinder at a hardware store. :) > > 30 hp, eh? How much do those Urals weigh? The KLR650 only makes about 35 hp, and apparently folks have fitted them with sidecars. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob McKeithen > > Paul is correct. My rig is a '93 Moto Guzzi California III with a Ural > sidecar. > > I considered and researched the Ural for a couple of years. They have > improved dramatically in the last three years and are wonderful bikes > if used as they where intended. ... > > Bob > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 12:36:05 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CD5APddHS3RlX0gZf7roI6yOCftl5PzwFfj+pN7sK/ao7IttbcJeqPxiNSv6g6C2RrehGTj3Sf/WfRYcJT3w/orb2NScrpjB0VUssZEN1Q8BY/tFyfenEEXH0Sr6vEBa25g2GGEEU5xbbQx3mA+gFUUVWcAwqKvO5tcy9tCjpVw= Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:35:52 -0500 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? > I need to pick up a motorcycle in Ohio and I am currently truckless. Ohio's not all that far - ride the beast home. Or is it a Harley? Michael (running & ducking) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 13:03:31 2004 From: Daniel To: fgrefe@XXXXXX Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:03:08 -0500 I'd recommend buying a trailer. On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:18:43 -0500, "Fred Grefe" wrote: >I need to pick up a motorcycle in Ohio and I am currently truckless. I >thought about getting one of the small trucks from u-haul, but when the >mileage charges get added on it will be too expensive. Does anyone know >if there is a rental place that won't charge for mileage? I'm in Manassas >if that helps. > >Thanks, >Fred > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 13:17:07 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:17:04 -0500 From: stephen@XXXXXX To: fgrefe@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server A cheaper option is to purchase a trailer hitch for your car ($150-$250) and then rent an open trailer ($20/day or so). Your total cost will run you less than the truck rental and you'll get to keep the hitch for the next time you need to rent a trailer to haul something. Quoting Fred Grefe : > I need to pick up a motorcycle in Ohio and I am currently truckless. I > thought about getting one of the small trucks from u-haul, but when the > mileage charges get added on it will be too expensive. Does anyone know > if there is a rental place that won't charge for mileage? I'm in Manassas > if that helps. > > Thanks, > Fred > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 15:27:25 2004 Reply-To: fgrefe@XXXXXX From: "Fred Grefe" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:27:20 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 3320233de968f2c594f5150ab1c16ac08f4233f47979de269403d5d84826b779d6a23dd5ce8dc898350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c No, its a DR350S. If it was a H-D it would of course come with a trailer, so I wouldn't have this problem. -Fred > [Original Message] > From: Michael Jordan > To: dc-cycles > Date: 11/2/2004 12:36:05 PM > Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? > > > I need to pick up a motorcycle in Ohio and I am currently truckless. > > Ohio's not all that far - ride the beast home. > > Or is it a Harley? > > Michael (running & ducking) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 15:30:31 2004 Reply-To: fgrefe@XXXXXX From: "Fred Grefe" To: "Daniel" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:30:28 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 3320233de968f2c594f5150ab1c16ac08f4233f47979de26f663da6a743ff8f19b0bf989dfd88dec350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Yeah, I thought about that, but I'd also have to buy a hitch and wire up everything. More fun would be to buy a welder and try to make one. -Fred > [Original Message] > From: Daniel > To: > Cc: dc-cycles > Date: 11/2/2004 1:03:21 PM > Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? > > I'd recommend buying a trailer. > > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:18:43 -0500, "Fred Grefe" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 15:33:50 2004 Reply-To: fgrefe@XXXXXX From: "Fred Grefe" To: "stephen@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:33:44 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 3320233de968f2c594f5150ab1c16ac08f4233f47979de264868cfcc65a9164cba70fd7e71ba1583350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c I looked at that option, but the truck rental would be about 1/2 the price. Now if you factor in the joy of seeing my wifes face after I hooked up a hitch to her Mitsubishi Eclipse and put one of those spinning propellers on it, then its about even. -Fred > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Cc: dc-cycles > Date: 11/2/2004 1:17:04 PM > Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? > > A cheaper option is to purchase a trailer hitch for your car ($150-$250) and > then rent an open trailer ($20/day or so). Your total cost will run you less > than the truck rental and you'll get to keep the hitch for the next time you > need to rent a trailer to haul something. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 16:21:36 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:16:59 -0500 To: fgrefe@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? At 03:27 PM 11/2/04 -0500, Fred Grefe wrote: >No, its a DR350S. If it was a H-D it would of course come with a trailer, >so I wouldn't have this problem. Really? Damn! I was cheated! Only had a trailer back when I had Yamahas and Hondas...though a trailer would be nice for getting the Harley in for service every few thousand miles. Easier than arranging rides when it isn't a while-you-wait oil change deal. If you want to rent a trailer from U-Haul, be sure to check that they will rent one to you for the vehicle you have to pull it. They are picky about that I hear. I checked with the local dealer for the Trailer In A Bag...it's about $1200. If you don't have space to store the other kinds, that might be a good deal, but it seems steep to me for a single rail bike-only trailer. Only paid $150 for the one I used to have (similar hauling capability but it didn't break down without a cutting torch), and I got the tie downs thrown in free. Of course, it was used, not new. Good luck with your transport issues. There are companies that will ship bikes for you, but that will cost more than renting a trailer. Maybe even than buying a trailer if you look around a bit. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 16:21:38 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:21:07 -0500 To: fgrefe@XXXXXX, "Daniel" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Cc: "dc-cycles" At 03:30 PM 11/2/04 -0500, Fred Grefe wrote: >Yeah, I thought about that, but I'd also have to buy a hitch and wire up >everything. More fun would be to buy a welder and try to make one. The hitch installer will do the wiring for you. They just tap into your brake and running light wires anyway, so it's not a big deal. Make one? I've thought about it, but I want to get a whole lot better at welding before I attempt anything like that. A busted weld on my current project won't hurt anything. The wrong weld breaking on a trailer could get expensive in a hurry, especially with a poor design. If you are a trained welder, go for it though...I've seen offers of plans for sale on the net in various places so you don't have to design it yourself if you don't want to. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 17:08:28 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:07:55 -0500 great little car. Hitch it! On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:33:44 -0500, "Fred Grefe" wrote: >I looked at that option, but the truck rental would be about 1/2 the price. >Now if you factor in the joy of seeing my wifes face after I hooked up a >hitch to her Mitsubishi Eclipse and put one of those spinning propellers on >it, then its about even. > >-Fred > > >> [Original Message] >> From: >> To: >> Cc: dc-cycles >> Date: 11/2/2004 1:17:04 PM >> Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? >> >> A cheaper option is to purchase a trailer hitch for your car ($150-$250) >and >> then rent an open trailer ($20/day or so). Your total cost will run you >less >> than the truck rental and you'll get to keep the hitch for the next time >you >> need to rent a trailer to haul something. >> >> > >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 17:46:25 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=nDtl45ZIGOOUx36bD8TeyN8mnFXEn/BuRrYTFF6NDUlkVpwCH9K5Lf1LgLYV0a3d0XeKp56lkSt0tbDZn6rI8gE95fnWmOu/hSNKcinFtRi7RdIpcjSoukqWI7VOSr7KduYh7WJtLZgTlMx8xXixUKYUWrJ4ZQcTGRalRtMiBdg= Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:46:22 -0500 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: Daniel Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX There used to be a trailer manufacturer up in Laurel - Perone Trailers. Bought a nice 4X8 tilt-bed trailer from them a number of years ago for around $450. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 18:17:36 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=IlFB431/V1c5vvCLPaEe11zQxE++nM4bdMwnF0lWVqm71GS/ZkaHbh8QE3/TY9xy8GmYbSW+H4hVDTPI+0b1X5Fc8UFlPlnfqhInQ3ErJc4Db6q+0zVQpphYYeQBPe5uPYH8eC1AAuFySsmjs6n0qZU7SftUmk38+4Am2DqXAxA= Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:17:18 -0500 From: Thomas Jordan Reply-To: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Perone is still there, drive by it frequently, approx. directly through the median from Laurel Racetrak. Another good place is Hillwood in Gainesville. On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:46:22 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: > There used to be a trailer manufacturer up in Laurel - Perone Trailers. > > Bought a nice 4X8 tilt-bed trailer from them a number of years ago for > around $450. > > Michael J. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 18:59:59 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:59:57 -0500 From: stephen@XXXXXX To: fgrefe@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server If you can get a truck rental to Ohio and back for less than $200 including mileage and gas that would be the way to go. You might also be able to get a u- haul one-way from there to here. That would mean finding a friend to go with you to drive the car back, or getting a really big truck and putting the car in the back with the bike ... You did say it was an eclipse .. should be small enough to fit in the back of a 35 footer with the Hardley in front of it. And then give spouse the option .. the trailer hitch on the Eclipse, or driving the eclipse onto the bed of a 35' truck. I'd go for the hitch. Some U-Haul locations install them for you while you wait. All this for a DR350? Aren't you going to spend more on getting it back here than it's worth .. oops .. that was out loud .. Stephen Quoting Fred Grefe : > I looked at that option, but the truck rental would be about 1/2 the price. > Now if you factor in the joy of seeing my wifes face after I hooked up a > hitch to her Mitsubishi Eclipse and put one of those spinning propellers on > it, then its about even. > > -Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 19:24:34 2004 From: "Shane" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 11/02/04 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:23:34 -0500 Fred, I have a trailer that can be used if you get a hitch. Shane Shanesr74@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 20:12:26 2004 Reply-To: fgrefe@XXXXXX From: "Fred Grefe" To: "stephen@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 20:12:22 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 3320233de968f2c594f5150ab1c16ac08f4233f47979de26ccac95a5067d96b2ee606209554f9513350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > wait. All this for a DR350? Aren't you going to spend more on getting it back > here than it's worth .. oops .. that was out loud .. More than its worth...why I oughta... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 20:37:34 2004 X-Superb-Authentication: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 20:37:29 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Cc: Daniel X-Spam-Level: Another option would be to pick one up at Harbor Freight for around $200. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=90154 (It is cheaper at the store, usually) They have a store at Potomac Mills and stock the trailers there. It might be hard to get all of the parts into your Eclipse to get home and build it, and it will take you an evening with a wrench to put it together, but it is more than enough to haul almost any bike. You can either install a channel, make one out of a 2x6 and some 1x6s or just deck it with plywood. My brother has one and has put many thousands of miles on it. I am going to buy one soon for transporting my bike to Florida when I move. ($200 for the trailer vs $700 to ship it) Chris >To: Daniel >Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >There used to be a trailer manufacturer up in Laurel - Perone Trailers. > >Bought a nice 4X8 tilt-bed trailer from them a number of years ago for >around $450. > >Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 20:40:28 2004 X-Superb-Authentication: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 20:40:24 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Cc: Daniel X-Spam-Level: Forgot to mention, you could get the short trailer and the motorcycle kit, http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=5003 and be good to go as well. I just like the 12 inch tires on the bigger trailer vs the 8 inch ones on the shorty. Chris >To: Daniel >Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >There used to be a trailer manufacturer up in Laurel - Perone Trailers. > >Bought a nice 4X8 tilt-bed trailer from them a number of years ago for >around $450. > >Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 20:57:15 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: fgrefe@XXXXXX, "stephen@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 20:58:43 -0500 On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 20:12:22 -0500, Fred Grefe wrote > > wait. All this for a DR350? Aren't you going to spend more on getting it > back > > here than it's worth .. oops .. that was out loud .. > > More than its worth...why I oughta... take his advice ? :-D -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 21:48:09 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:48:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? At 06:59 PM 11/2/2004, you wrote: >If you can get a truck rental to Ohio and back for less >than $200 including >mileage and gas that would be the way to go. You might >also be able to get a u- >haul one-way from there to here. That would mean finding a >friend to go with >you to drive the car back, or getting a really big truck >and putting the car in >the back with the bike ... You did say it was an eclipse >.. should be small >enough to fit in the back of a 35 footer with the Hardley >in front of it. > >And then give spouse the option .. the trailer hitch on >the Eclipse, or driving >the eclipse onto the bed of a 35' truck. > >I'd go for the hitch. Some U-Haul locations install them >for you while you >wait. All this for a DR350? Aren't you going to spend more >on getting it back >here than it's worth .. oops .. that was out loud .. > >Stephen Also, don't rule out flying over there and renting the truck and driving back one way. Independence Air has flights to Columbus for something like $50. There may be other places in Ohio they fly as well. $50 and an hour flight can't be beat. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 22:55:23 2004 Subject: Bike down on Fox Mill Rd Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 22:55:19 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "dc Cycles" I had to take some interesting routes on the way home this evening... unfortunately it was due to a biker laying in the middle of the road surrounded by paramedics. :( From the short glimpse I got, it seemed like it was a silver sport bike of some kind. I couldn't tell any more than that about the bike. The rider was about 20 feet ahead of the bike, flat out and not moving (appeared to at least have a jacket on, not sure about lowers). The paramedics weren't talking to him, so I can only assume he was unconscious (or worse). It looked nasty, but I couldn't see anything obvious that he hit. I don't think this was rider error, as it was a relatively straight stretch. Of course, this is all gathered from a distant glimpse as the traffic was being diverted, so it may be nothing other than a simple and minor get-off (one can only hope). Ffx county police closed the road in both directions for quite some time (I know this only because I got lost in the nieghborhood I detoured through and it took me over half an hour to get out, at which time I found Fox Mill still closed). That's one of my favorite commuter roads and I see other bikers on it regularly. I hope it wasn't a lister, and I hope that whether it was or wasn't, he's okay in the long run. Regardless, be careful out there! --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 05:46:55 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Trailer for sale cheap Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 05:46:29 -0500 If anyone is interested, i've got a tilt bed 2 rail trailer for sale $100. aestheticly displeasing but funtional. maybe i should ebay it? I bought a flatbed with drop down gate so i don't use that one any more. So much easier to load and unload. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 06:58:07 2004 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:58:03 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Excellent, someone else on DCC getting a dual sport! Glenn --- Fred Grefe wrote: > No, its a DR350S. If it was a H-D it would of > course come with a trailer, > so I wouldn't have this problem. > > -Fred > > > [Original Message] > > From: Michael Jordan > > To: dc-cycles > > Date: 11/2/2004 12:36:05 PM > > Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? > > > > > I need to pick up a motorcycle in Ohio and I am > currently truckless. > > > > Ohio's not all that far - ride the beast home. > > > > Or is it a Harley? > > > > Michael (running & ducking) J. > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 07:28:04 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=uqygQRqX2hTkE0LiqlNDXtJJgrerMYKZ+AIci0Mjfm3e2rTCrvSLBQhxBVD5oVSbds+klSFsLAPtTJXmaBuvaC2Mp7Jf/f2NcKxbp8WoSNejsIM/RVLahg1lmgzo2dDyWRqehPFzLsqXkzJZm8SuKvkmkTvUo1Z+5S9eyWP1TRc= Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:27:57 -0500 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc Cycles Subject: The passing of an era It appears that the Dulles Toll Road operators have noticed the sensor gap on the left edge of the right hand Fastoll lanes at the main barrier. The exit sensors have been widened, but the entry sensors haven't - so now one gets the ringing bell and "Toll Not Paid" message. 'Twas fun while it lasted, so I hear. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 12:38:47 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:38:42 -0500 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: It WAS too quiet As it turns out, I got bumped off of the list. When I originally sent this message, I hadn't seen an email from DCC since Friday. ======================== List has been so quiet for a couple of days....not even any off topic election chatter! Riding weather has been perfect, so I am temporarily voiding my ban on riding the week after the time change. Hopefully the confused drivers and horny deer don't come after me out of spite. I am camouflaging the bike in layers of mud so they can't see me. It must be working. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 12:56:00 2004 From: To: Troutman , "dc Cycles" Subject: Re: It WAS too quiet Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:55:51 -0500 > > From: Troutman > Date: 2004/11/03 Wed PM 12:38:42 EST > To: "dc Cycles" > Subject: It WAS too quiet > > As it turns out, I got bumped off of the list. When I originally sent this > message, I hadn't seen an email from DCC since Friday. > > ======================== > > List has been so quiet for a couple of days....not even any off topic > election chatter! > > Riding weather has been perfect, so I am temporarily voiding my ban on > riding the week after the time change. Hopefully the confused drivers and > horny deer don't come after me out of spite. I am camouflaging the bike in > layers of mud so they can't see me. > > It must be working. > who are you? Are you new to the list? ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 13:02:50 2004 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 13:02:41 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: It WAS too quiet To: dc Cycles >who are you? Are you new to the list? ;-) > [Dave] More importantly, has this Trout-man guy paid his dues? ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 13:08:03 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:07:57 -0500 To: dc Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: It WAS too quiet At 01:02 PM 11/3/2004, Dave Yates wrote: >[Dave] More importantly, has this Trout-man guy paid his >dues? I sent my check to Harry as I do every year. I remember, because I write the check the night I change the air in my tires. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Death is certain. Life is not. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 13:12:24 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:12:14 -0500 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Biker down on fox mill "I hope it wasn't a lister, and I hope that whether it was or wasn't, he's okay in the long run." Several of us commute that way. I actually pop out on Stuart Mill about a block from the accident scene. If anyone cuts from Reston to Vale, consider using Lawyers to Birdfoot. Lots of deer, but fun roads and little traffic. I hit ridiculous speeds back there on my daily commute. Few cross streets and houses. Hope the guy is ok. There were a lot of flashing lights when I turned :-( ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 13:40:23 2004 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:40:03 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: It WAS too quiet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Funny you mention this. I got some new tires for the cage last week at Costco, they use nitrogen now to fill Tires. Claims are that it rides better, better mileage and some other horse crap. Here's something from IR on it: http://www.irco.com/pressroom/newsatir/is/58711.html --- Troutman wrote: > I sent my check to Harry as I do every year. I > remember, because I write > the check the night I change the air in my tires. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 15:39:09 2004 From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Non-Moto Content Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:38:28 -0500 Since we have a lot of homeowners in the list - I thought I'd ask. Anybody know of a good/reasonably priced/honest Electrician in the Reston/herndon area? --Altaan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 16:37:55 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:37:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: It WAS too quiet At 10:40 AM 11/3/04 -0800, Glenn Dysart wrote: >cage last week at Costco, they use nitrogen now to >fill Tires. Claims are that it rides better, better >mileage and some other horse crap. > >Here's something from IR on it: > >http://www.irco.com/pressroom/newsatir/is/58711.html I bet they'll sell you "reumatism magnetic belts and rings" too... What a load of horse-pucky! Air is 3/4 nitrogen. If the O2 leaks out through the rubber faster than the nitrogen does, and you keep refilling the tires, the concentration of nitrogen in your tires will rise anyway. As for "dry"...nitrogen will hold water vapor just fine. If what they put is has been dried by some process or other, fine, but the same process would work on air...and cheaper (you don't have to pay for the air first). Oxygen reacting with the tire material on the way out? Probably. It will react with the surface too, and could leak inwards from there as well...unless you want to drive only where there's no oxygen (not recommended). Regardless of that, I've never had tires burst into flame, or rot off the car, before. The tread always gets worn off first, or they get damaged by road debris or potholes first. They are also ignoring the fact that nitrogen is reactive too...not as much as oxygen, but it isn't an inert gas like Neon or Xenon. As a way to get people to ignore their inflation pressure even more than they do now it's probably great. Why anyone would think that's a good idea I can't say. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 17:55:27 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:54:50 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Dave Yates CC: dc Cycles Subject: Re: It WAS too quiet Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] More importantly, has this Trout-man guy paid his > dues? yeah, and what a bogus screen name he's got, too. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 19:39:15 2004 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:37:02 -0500 Subject: Spamish--couple of interesting bikes From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) (Debian) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net I was at my dealer--Winchester Motosport today. I noticed a couple of bikes I thought some might be interested in. '02 Kawasaki Concours-- about 11k miles $4750 02 Hayabusa same price, didn't see miles Both were cosmetically clean Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 20:16:04 2004 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rich Westbrook Subject: Regulator rectifier issues Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:16:01 -0500 After 27,000 worry free miles on the Honda VFR it seems that my RR has died. Last night on the way home from work I noticed that my lights were dimmer than normal. After sitting in traffic on 395 I got off my exit and the bike just died while stopped at the first stop light. I tried to restart the bike but it wouldn't turn over. The lights worked but were pretty dim. I was able to push it over to a parking lot and walked the rest of the way home (luckily only 2 blocks). So my questions are: Does this sound like an Regulator Recitfier issue? If so, what brand should I get and where should I get it? How easy are they to replace. Do I just unplug the old, and plug in the new? Do I need a new battery now? -Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 20:58:21 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:58:23 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Regulator rectifier issues At 08:16 PM 11/3/2004, Rich Westbrook wrote: > So my questions are: Does this sound like an Regulator Recitfier issue? > >If so, what brand should I get and where should I get it? > How easy are they to replace. Do I just unplug the old, and plug in the new? >Do I need a new battery now? Possibly. How old is your battery? If it is over 3 years old, pick up a new one. If the condition continues you can put in a new RR pretty cheaply. Honda of Mipitas used to have the best price. Just call them (CA) and they will overnight one to you for about $100. Lots of electrical tests you can run to check the battery and RR. Get a voltmeter if you don't have one already and check voltage with bike off, at idle, at 5k RPMS, and disconnected from the bike. You should see about 12v off and disconnected, and around 14v with it running. If not - put a charge on the battery overnight and do the tests again. Google VFR RR and you should get a step by step checklist. The VFR archives have a host of info too. My '97 went out at 22k, and the battery and RR have lasted to 42k so far. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 21:04:10 2004 From: "Paul Hutchins" To: "'Rich Westbrook'" , Subject: RE: Regulator rectifier issues Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:03:10 -0500 Rich, How old is the battery? My original battery on my '00 gave up the ghost a month ago. It had been taking a long time to recharge (I keep it on a Battery Tender). Then one evening, the lights seemed dim on the way home. I stopped for coffee and had to bump start the bike to get home (about a block or so). After leaving it on the Tender it started the next day, but wouldn't turn over again (I shut of the bike to check before I pulled out of the driveway). I put a new battery in and everything's back to normal. It charges back up in no time on the Tender. When batteries get old, they tend to loose the ability to hold a charge. -Paul -----Original Message----- From: Rich Westbrook [mailto:richard1674@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Regulator rectifier issues [snip] If so, what brand should I get and where should I get it? How easy are they to replace. Do I just unplug the old, and plug in the new? Do I need a new battery now? -Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 23:15:57 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:15:36 -0500 has been charged with 2nd degree murder and there is a warrant out for his arrest. I don tknow why it's murder instead of manslaughter.. I don't see how it's murder, i highly doubt he intended to kill the children. Not that i have any sympathy for him. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 23:26:27 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: cbs 9 news at 11 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:26:08 -0500 supposedly there is going to be a segment "street/sport bike riders - above the law" i'm waiting.. it's almost over.. i'm not sure it's coming on From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 00:06:43 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: CBS News @ 11 p.m. thursday night Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:06:17 -0500 OK I just saw a commercial for it. CBS known for their poor credibility may strike again. Apparrently a few months back a woman from CBS news contacted a friend of mine who is in a group who is doing a documentary on the sport bike scene. The reporter told him that she was doing a documentary...and she wanted to interview him and a few other riders.... not a news segment... and that it would be positive, but realistic, so it would state a few bad things, along with the good.. but it would be overall positive. My friend called me, gave me the details and invited me, and people from my group to attend, as well as other groups. I went, I saw familiar faces, I watched the interviews happen. I didn't interview, nor ride there, as I had my son with me. As far as I can recall, at least 2 out of the 3 interviewees tried to be positive and diplomatic. One or two people dropped the ball when they asked questions like " is there anything the police can do to stop this?" The response was "no, they can't catch us", "we're too fast". I knew right then and there that was the WRONG answer... because obviously there are ways to stop it and catch people doing it, if they put their mind/methods to it. I also know if you're on camera, you want to watch what you say because the media will present you out of context. Now they haven't aired the segment yet, maybe it will be positive? But the commercials for it are definitely negative " Sport bike riders - above the law" "the police can't stop us.. they'll never stop us.. because they can't catch us" ... that was definitely a stupid thing to say... but who knows maybe the commercial is just to snag interest.. maybe they will be positive? i'm not holding my breath. They also did stunts at the request of the cbs news crew, who encouraged them to do it after the police weren't around. So I'm waiting to see what the segment actually portrays... but I figure i'd give you guys an idea of what really happened. CBS contacted a group of riders under the guise of making a positive sportbike interview, and recorded some positive and not so positive stuff. I hope they show it fairly and dont' cut out the positive and show the negative out of context. 2 out of the 3 interviewees were there under the given premise that a positive picture would be painted, and held positive interviews, or at least tried. You can tell at least one was nervous, trying to be diplomatic and paint a positive picture, but at the same time, not exactly prepared. You might see me in the background.. I'm the only one there having a child with me. - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 00:06:46 2004 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Regulator rectifier issues Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:06:36 -0500 Honda OEM. www.partsfish.com, or if you already have the part number, www.ronayers.com. I've used both with much happiness. It should be two bolts and two electrical conx. It shouldn't take more than a few minutes since Honda factories seem to be free of Italian Midgets With Tiny Fingers. (long story, maybe dcpatti will elaborate). --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Westbrook" To: Subject: Regulator rectifier issues > After 27,000 worry free miles on the Honda VFR it seems that my RR has > died. Last night on the way home from work I noticed that my lights were > dimmer than normal. After sitting in traffic on 395 I got off my exit and > the bike just died while stopped at the first stop light. I tried to > restart the bike but it wouldn't turn over. The lights worked but were > pretty dim. I was able to push it over to a parking lot and walked the > rest of the way home (luckily only 2 blocks). So my questions are: Does > this sound like an Regulator Recitfier issue? > > If so, what brand should I get and where should I get it? > How easy are they to replace. Do I just unplug the old, and plug in the > new? > Do I need a new battery now? > > -Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 00:54:36 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:52:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc At 11:15 PM 11/3/04 -0500, Daniel wrote: > has been charged with 2nd degree murder and there is a warrant out >for his arrest. > >I don tknow why it's murder instead of manslaughter.. I don't see how >it's murder, i highly doubt he intended to kill the children. Not >that i have any sympathy for him. IANAL, but I think that if he had intended to kill the children ahead of time it would have been 1st degree murder, not 2nd. 2nd degree murder is a non-planned intentional killing. The "in the heat of the moment" sort of thing, rather than pre-planned like 1st degree is. If that's what they are charging him with, then they must think they can prove that he could have avoided the deaths, but chose not to for whatever reason. Manslaughter is negligent homicide...where you didn't intend the death, but you did something stupid and/or careless that resulted in one anyway (like not maintaining your brakes, or speeding, or whatever). Your basic "avoidable accident". I believe there are two levels of manslaughter as well...one is negligent homicide, where you fail to do, or do, something that a "reasonable person" would either do, or not do, and this not acting reasonably resulted in someone's death. The other is something more like "criminally negligent homicide"...where your failure to do, or refrain from doing, what even an *unreasonable* person would have done or not done resulted in someone's death. I.e. You knew you were risking lives and you went ahead and did it anyway with callous disregard for others. If the deaths occurred as part of a getaway from a grand theft moto, as someone speculated, it could be first degree murder...I believe *any* death resulting from the commission of a felony is charged as first degree murder...even the death of one of the perpetrators. For instance I've heard of bank robbers being charged with murder in the first for the death of one of their number who was shot and killed by a bank guard during the robbery for instance. Like I said, IANAL, but that's the way I've understood these things from reading and the news. I have no personal experience with being charged with any of these crimes. Those who AL can correct as needed if I'm way off if they feel like it. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 06:26:05 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:25:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc To: Daniel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX if i remember correctly, 2nd degree murder = manslaughter. there is a reckless element rather than premeditation. --- Daniel wrote: > has been charged with 2nd degree murder and there is a > warrant out > for his arrest. > > I don tknow why it's murder instead of manslaughter.. I > don't see how > it's murder, i highly doubt he intended to kill the > children. Not > that i have any sympathy for him. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 06:50:29 2004 From: Daniel To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 06:50:16 -0500 They aughta' call it manslaughter then.. I know the gov't has a tendency to overcharge, so they can plea it down to something original in the first place. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 07:51:08 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:51:00 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc To: Daniel Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX a little more research shows that dc has 2nd degree murder, voluntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter in its spectrum of homicide charges. and you've got a point.... under the circumstances it sounds like this would be more properly charged as involuntary manslaughter. --- Daniel wrote: > They aughta' call it manslaughter then.. I know the > gov't has a > tendency to overcharge, so they can plea it down to > something original > in the first place. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 10:05:34 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:05:31 -0500 From: stephen@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer Cc: Daniel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server No evidence (yet) that Idiot actually owned the motorcycle with which he hit the kids. No evidence (that we've heard) that he had a license to operate a street bike. No evidence (that we've heard) regarding whether he was operating the off-road bike legally or not. If he was, as he claims (as reported in the washington post), riding so fast through a pedestrian area that he was unable to avoid hitting the children (can you say "target fixation"? ) then I'd say 'voluntary manslaughter' would be a more appropriate charge. Nevertheless, they'll drop it for a guilty plea to the lesser charge. Much as we law-abiding-citizens like to think the law is applied fairly, it surely is not. This is a tactic aimed at gaining speedy convictions without court time. I'm not a lawyer, but I think a good lawyer would have a pretty easy time getting him off a second degree charge, so IMO, this tactic could potentially back-fire. I've only ever fought the law once in America and I have to say my experience in Michigan over a speeding ticket made me think it was more a kangaroo-court than any real legal procedure; No court recorder, no witnesses or a/v recording of the procedure allowed, and, as far as I could tell, no public access to the proceedings whatsoever. Oh .. and the judge was elected! In the room were me, the cop, and the 'judge'. Needless to say, going to court made not one iota of difference in that case. In my sole experience, American justice is doled out by the media, the politicians, and the law-enforcement officers. All evidence points to the judges being there for show. Is there a 'judge-drama' TV genre? No! I rest my case ... Flame-away! Stephen Quoting Tom Gimer : > a little more research shows that dc has 2nd degree murder, > voluntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter in its > spectrum of homicide charges. and you've got a point.... > under the circumstances it sounds like this would be more > properly charged as involuntary manslaughter. > > > --- Daniel wrote: > > > They aughta' call it manslaughter then.. I know the > > gov't has a > > tendency to overcharge, so they can plea it down to > > something original > > in the first place. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 10:07:22 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:07:18 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson To: richard1674@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Regulator rectifier issues -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strang Honda OEM. www.partsfish.com, or if you already have the part number, www.ronayers.com. I've used both with much happiness. It should be two bolts and two electrical conx. It shouldn't take more than a few minutes since Honda factories seem to be free of Italian Midgets With Tiny Fingers. (long story, maybe dcpatti will elaborate). --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Westbrook" > After 27,000 worry free miles on the Honda VFR it seems that my RR has > died. Last night on the way home from work I noticed that my lights were > dimmer than normal. After sitting in traffic on 395 I got off my exit and > the bike just died while stopped at the first stop light. I tried to > restart the bike but it wouldn't turn over. The lights worked but were > pretty dim. I was able to push it over to a parking lot and walked the > rest of the way home (luckily only 2 blocks). So my questions are: Does > this sound like an Regulator Recitfier issue? > > If so, what brand should I get and where should I get it? > How easy are they to replace. Do I just unplug the old, and plug in the > new? > Do I need a new battery now? > > -Rich ------------- Rich, try charging the battery first. I use a 1-amp charger that's good for smaller batteries. The automotive ones at service stations are usually too powerful for our itty-bitty bike batteries. If it doesn't hold a charge, it's a goner. Always suspect the battery before moving on to other, more expensive, fixes. If you do need a new rectifier/regulator, replacing it is a ten-minute job, after you get the rear cowl off, twenty if you get all fancy and thoroughly clean the connector contacts coming off the wiring harness, where they plug into the R/R. Been there, done that. Agree with Jon on getting the OEM. The Honda p/n is 31600-MY7-305. This is the new, improved one with cooling fins and a heavy backing plate that dissipates heat better. Good luck. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 10:41:27 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Daniel'" , Subject: RE: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:41:16 -0500 X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.99824, Antispam-Core: 4.6.1.104326, Antispam-Data: 2004.11.3.7 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __UNUSABLE_MSGID 0, __CHILD_PORN_NOT_1 0, __FRAUD_419_BADTHINGS 0, __C230066_P2 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, RELAY_IN_SORBS 0, IN_REP_TO 0' I was surprised the guy was 31. I was expecting a teenager or pre-teen to be the issue. What is a 31 year old doing riding a motorcycle on a sidewalk??? -----Original Message----- From: Daniel [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc has been charged with 2nd degree murder and there is a warrant out for his arrest. I don tknow why it's murder instead of manslaughter.. I don't see how it's murder, i highly doubt he intended to kill the children. Not that i have any sympathy for him. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 10:53:26 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:53:19 -0500 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: 31 year old rider "whats a 31 year old doing riding [his dirt bike] on the sidewalk?" Well, the AMA will tell you it is because of environmental groups taking away riding areas from bikes and four wheelers. They just don't have anywhere to ride any more, and this is the result. Tongue in cheek of course. Speaking of 31, today I am no longer 31. Beer is on the house. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 10:58:09 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 31 year old rider Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:57:33 -0500 Tongue in cheek of course. Speaking of 31, today I am no longer 31. Beer is on the house. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org 2 free beers if you bring a fried RR with you :) Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 11:07:19 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 31 year old rider Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:06:22 -0500 Woo Hoo! Then start pouring, my friend. I've got two of 'em! ;) But I haven't been 31 for a few years. :( Happy B-day, Mike! Rob '98 VFR800 (new battery and R/R) Speaking of 31, today I am no longer 31. Beer is on the house. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org 2 free beers if you bring a fried RR with you :) Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 12:22:00 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:17:58 -0500 To: Tom Gimer , Daniel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/m1/manslaug.asp tends to support what Tom says. It would appear that there's premeditated murder (1st degree), non-premeditated murder which is also called voluntary manslaughter and 2nd degree murder, and involuntary manslaughter which is also just called manslaughter sometimes. Things seem to vary with jurisdiction. The key deciding factors for which a given killing is appear to be premeditation and malice. There's a whole lot on the history of the law in this area at: http://59.1911encyclopedia.org/H/HO/HOMICIDE.htm It says, in part: --------- America. The most notable difference between England and the United States in regard to the law on this subject is the recognition by state legislation of degrees in murder. English law treats all unlawful killing not reducible to manslaughter as of the same degree of guilt in law. American. statutes seek to discriminate for purposes of punishment between the graver and the less culpable forms of murder. Thus an act of the legislature of Pennsylvania (22nd of April 1794) declares all murder which shall be perpetrated by means of poison or by lying in wait or by any other kind of wilful, deliberate and premeditated killing, or which shall be committed in the perpetration of or attempt to perpetrate any arson, rape, robbery or burglary shall be deemed murder of the first degree; and all other kinds of murder shall be deemed murder of the second degree. This legislation. has been copied or adopted in. many if not most of the other states. There are also statutory degrees of manslaughter in the legislation of some of the states. The differences of legislation, coupled with the power of the jury in some states to determine the sentence, and the limitations on the right of the judges to comment on the testimony adduced, lead to very great differences between the administration of the law as to homicide in the two countries. ---------- So it would seem that the charge for the moto killing is 2nd degree murder, or voluntary manslaughter, due to the fact that the deaths resulted from recklessness which constituted an unlawful act (reading more of the above link's text makes that clearer). Those here who like to "push it" might want to think about that a bit...there could, with some poor luck, be a lot more involved than a speeding ticket or loss of license for reckless driving. -- Mike B. At 03:25 AM 11/4/04 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: >if i remember correctly, 2nd degree murder = manslaughter. >there is a reckless element rather than premeditation. > > >--- Daniel wrote: > >> has been charged with 2nd degree murder and there is a >> warrant out >> for his arrest. >> >> I don tknow why it's murder instead of manslaughter.. I >> don't see how >> it's murder, i highly doubt he intended to kill the >> children. Not >> that i have any sympathy for him. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 13:28:24 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 13:28:05 -0500 seems like something a liberal came up with.. murder is defined as willful homicide... manslaughter is defined as accidental homicide through recklessness... some D.A. probably wanted it called 2nd degree murder so they could prosecute accidents and make it sound worse. There have been sportbike riders who have been charged with murder because they speed in groups, and one of them dies even without the other rider having been anywhere near the crashed rider. That's not even manslaughter IMO On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:17:58 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote: >http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/m1/manslaug.asp tends to support what Tom >says. > >It would appear that there's premeditated murder (1st degree), >non-premeditated murder which is also called voluntary manslaughter and 2nd >degree murder, and involuntary manslaughter which is also just called >manslaughter sometimes. Things seem to vary with jurisdiction. The key >deciding factors for which a given killing is appear to be premeditation >and malice. > >There's a whole lot on the history of the law in this area at: > >http://59.1911encyclopedia.org/H/HO/HOMICIDE.htm > >It says, in part: > >--------- >America. The most notable difference between England and the United States >in regard to the law on this subject is the recognition by state >legislation of degrees in murder. English law treats all unlawful killing >not reducible to manslaughter as of the same degree of guilt in law. >American. statutes seek to discriminate for purposes of punishment between >the graver and the less culpable forms of murder. Thus an act of the >legislature of Pennsylvania (22nd of April 1794) declares all murder which >shall be perpetrated by means of poison or by lying in wait or by any other >kind of wilful, deliberate and premeditated killing, or which shall be >committed in the perpetration of or attempt to perpetrate any arson, rape, >robbery or burglary shall be deemed murder of the first degree; and all >other kinds of murder shall be deemed murder of the second degree. This >legislation. has been copied or adopted in. many if not most of the other >states. There are also statutory degrees of manslaughter in the legislation >of some of the states. The differences of legislation, coupled with the >power of the jury in some states to determine the sentence, and the >limitations on the right of the judges to comment on the testimony adduced, >lead to very great differences between the administration of the law as to >homicide in the two countries. >---------- > >So it would seem that the charge for the moto killing is 2nd degree murder, >or voluntary manslaughter, due to the fact that the deaths resulted from >recklessness which constituted an unlawful act (reading more of the above >link's text makes that clearer). Those here who like to "push it" might >want to think about that a bit...there could, with some poor luck, be a lot >more involved than a speeding ticket or loss of license for reckless driving. > >-- Mike B. > >At 03:25 AM 11/4/04 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: >>if i remember correctly, 2nd degree murder = manslaughter. >>there is a reckless element rather than premeditation. >> >> >>--- Daniel wrote: >> >>> has been charged with 2nd degree murder and there is a >>> warrant out >>> for his arrest. >>> >>> I don tknow why it's murder instead of manslaughter.. I >>> don't see how >>> it's murder, i highly doubt he intended to kill the >>> children. Not >>> that i have any sympathy for him. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 14:58:13 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:57:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc To: stephen@XXXXXX Cc: Daniel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX i thought voluntary manslaughter was murder but with mitigating circumstances such as walking in on your wife banging the pool boy. --- stephen@XXXXXX wrote: > No evidence (yet) that Idiot actually owned the > motorcycle with which he hit > the kids. No evidence (that we've heard) that he had a > license to operate a > street bike. No evidence (that we've heard) regarding > whether he was operating > the off-road bike legally or not. > > If he was, as he claims (as reported in the washington > post), riding so fast > through a pedestrian area that he was unable to avoid > hitting the children (can > you say "target fixation"? ) then I'd say 'voluntary > manslaughter' would be a > more appropriate charge. Nevertheless, they'll drop it > for a guilty plea to the > lesser charge. SNIP > > Quoting Tom Gimer : > > > a little more research shows that dc has 2nd degree > murder, > > voluntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter in > its > > spectrum of homicide charges. and you've got a > point.... > > under the circumstances it sounds like this would be > more > > properly charged as involuntary manslaughter. > > > > > > --- Daniel wrote: > > > > > They aughta' call it manslaughter then.. I know > the > > > gov't has a > > > tendency to overcharge, so they can plea it down to > > > something original > > > in the first place. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 15:00:20 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:00:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > I was surprised the guy was 31. I was expecting a > teenager or pre-teen to > be the issue. What is a 31 year old doing riding a > motorcycle on a > sidewalk??? i believe he was running over children. > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:16 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc > > has been charged with 2nd degree murder and there is a > warrant out for his > arrest. > > I don tknow why it's murder instead of manslaughter.. I > don't see how it's > murder, i highly doubt he intended to kill the children. > Not that i have > any sympathy for him. > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 15:31:20 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:30:29 -0500 From: Skip To: Tom Gimer CC: stephen@XXXXXX, Daniel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc Tom Gimer wrote: > > i thought voluntary manslaughter was murder but with > mitigating circumstances such as walking in on your wife > banging the pool boy. in my book, that's justifiable homicide. but I'm a little too close to that one. --skip, got a bed and am grateful. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 19:05:27 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:05:07 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Regulator rectifier issues To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Rich, if you have to get the RR I agree with Jon on getting the part number fron partsfish BUT Service Honda has the best prices on Honda parts, period. Once you get the part number go here: http://www.servicehonda.com Glenn (Still on my original RR AND original battery on my 98 with 32K miles) --- Jon Strang wrote: > Honda OEM. www.partsfish.com, or if you already > have the part number, > www.ronayers.com. > > I've used both with much happiness. > > It should be two bolts and two electrical conx. It > shouldn't take more than > a few minutes since Honda factories seem to be free > of Italian Midgets With > Tiny Fingers. (long story, maybe dcpatti will > elaborate). > > --jon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich Westbrook" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:16 PM > Subject: Regulator rectifier issues > > > > After 27,000 worry free miles on the Honda VFR it > seems that my RR has > > died. Last night on the way home from work I > noticed that my lights were > > dimmer than normal. After sitting in traffic on > 395 I got off my exit and > > the bike just died while stopped at the first stop > light. I tried to > > restart the bike but it wouldn't turn over. The > lights worked but were > > pretty dim. I was able to push it over to a > parking lot and walked the > > rest of the way home (luckily only 2 blocks). So > my questions are: Does > > this sound like an Regulator Recitfier issue? > > > > If so, what brand should I get and where should I > get it? > > How easy are they to replace. Do I just unplug > the old, and plug in the > > new? > > Do I need a new battery now? > > > > -Rich > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 19:39:00 2004 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:38:47 -0500 I was surprised to hear it was a 31yo man. I saw the bike on TV, it was a late model CR 80. Looked stock and nearly new. I was sure at the time a teenager had seriously farked up. The officers removing the bike had no m/c experience. They didn't put it in nuetral or pull in the clutch. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 22:01:03 2004 From: Daniel To: "Jon Strang" Cc: Subject: Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:00:32 -0500 Yea, I saw the bike too. Looked pretty small for a 31 year old... I suspect he was not the rightful owner, as suggested previously. On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:38:47 -0500, "Jon Strang" wrote: >I was surprised to hear it was a 31yo man. I saw the bike on TV, it was a >late model CR 80. Looked stock and nearly new. I was sure at the time a >teenager had seriously farked up. > >The officers removing the bike had no m/c experience. They didn't put it in >nuetral or pull in the clutch. > >--jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 23:41:26 2004 From: Daniel To: Daniel Cc: "Jon Strang" , Subject: Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:41:01 -0500 now they are saying he's 29 years old.. not that it matters... and he turned himself in.. and the judge gave no bond. interesting. he turned himself in, didn't seem like a runner to me.. doesnt' matter I suppose On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:00:32 -0500, Daniel wrote: >Yea, I saw the bike too. Looked pretty small for a 31 year old... >I suspect he was not the rightful owner, as suggested previously. > > > >On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:38:47 -0500, "Jon Strang" >wrote: > >>I was surprised to hear it was a 31yo man. I saw the bike on TV, it was a >>late model CR 80. Looked stock and nearly new. I was sure at the time a >>teenager had seriously farked up. >> >>The officers removing the bike had no m/c experience. They didn't put it in >>nuetral or pull in the clutch. >> >>--jon > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 07:34:39 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=I3FZ+dYlBpFrP8SJ8UVErGfGuR/iOWrtqUnQ0fRYPkoPOo5EkW/Uqtee47Q2HUhADM2pe1Dy00ZhSm0qJyZe0DkXGxsAh2gBuVK8p3kcgNu/fK9KATOYe4fZQBCI16LRVdO7iKFk6mm6e7M87acTe00w5hPE0N28FRdmjnA53SM= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:34:31 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CBS News @ 11 p.m. thursday night > OK I just saw a commercial for it. CBS known for their poor > credibility may strike again. > > Apparrently a few months back a woman from CBS news contacted a friend > of mine who is in a group who is doing a documentary on the sport bike > scene. It was about what you expected, althjough they did give a short disclaimer at the end that not all riders were like this. Look for another round of "Sport Bike" hysteria. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 08:24:01 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:23:59 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX >now they are saying he's 29 years old.. not that it >matters... and he turned himself in.. and the judge gave no >bond. interesting. he turned himself in, didn't seem like a >runner to me.. doesnt' matter I suppose [Dave] News reports - we all know how accurate they are (no, this was not from red Dan Rather) indicated this guy had a significant criminal record. I for one am glad to see no bond on this particular turd, as well that $hithead marshall, who will hopefully earn the death penalty (fingers crossed). dead is dead. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 08:55:16 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:55:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) From: "Brian Roach" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just as an FYI ... the small dirtbike/mini-bike thing is big with gangs and wana-bes in DC. It started because they figured out they were a great get-away vehicle because it's hard for a cop car to chase a dirtbike down an alley or through a park. Then it because the next cool thing to have. I get probably 2 calls a week asking if we sell mini-bikes or pocket bikes. There's actually been a couple stories about it on the local news over the last year or so - residents complaining about it, that sort of thing. - Roach > [Dave] News reports - we all know how accurate they are (no, > this was not from red Dan Rather) indicated this guy had a > significant criminal record. I for one am glad to see no > bond on this particular turd, as well that $hithead marshall, > who will hopefully earn the death penalty (fingers crossed). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 09:08:30 2004 From: Daniel To: Michael Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CBS News @ 11 p.m. thursday night Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:08:11 -0500 for those that missed it (and care to see it): http://www.wusatv9.com/video/player.aspx?aid=16484&sid=34592&bw=hi On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:34:31 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: >> OK I just saw a commercial for it. CBS known for their poor >> credibility may strike again. >> >> Apparrently a few months back a woman from CBS news contacted a friend >> of mine who is in a group who is doing a documentary on the sport bike >> scene. > >It was about what you expected, althjough they did give a short >disclaimer at the end that not all riders were like this. Look for >another round of "Sport Bike" hysteria. > >Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 09:33:34 2004 From: Daniel To: Dave Yates Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:33:09 -0500 i have to agree, it's kind of good to see one of those 'above the law' cops get what he deserves. see at least a criminal is being true to his nature, but a criminal cop, that's hypocracy on top of criminality in the name of justice. sickening. I wasn't expecting the judge to let the guy go on P.R. I just figured he'd set the bail higher than the man could afford anyway.. It's interesting that he turned himself in though. On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:23:59 -0500, Dave Yates wrote: > >>now they are saying he's 29 years old.. not that it >>matters... and he turned himself in.. and the judge gave no >>bond. interesting. he turned himself in, didn't seem like a >>runner to me.. doesnt' matter I suppose > >[Dave] News reports - we all know how accurate they are (no, >this was not from red Dan Rather) indicated this guy had a >significant criminal record. I for one am glad to see no >bond on this particular turd, as well that $hithead marshall, >who will hopefully earn the death penalty (fingers crossed). > >dead is dead. >Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 10:36:33 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:36:11 EST Subject: Re: CBS News @ 11 p.m. thursday night To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Oh no, this definitely doesn't portray motorcycle riders in a negative light. Well, it does for sportbike riders but, not motorcycle riders. Jeesus!!! I swear, I would love for every reporter/news agency in the country to be hit with the same thing Jim Carey went through in the movie Liar Liar. If all they could do is tell the truth for one whole day, they would all shut down. Just another reason I don't watch the news or read newspapers that often. Can't trust any of them. Scooter In a message dated 11/5/2004 9:08:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: for those that missed it (and care to see it): http://www.wusatv9.com/video/player.aspx?aid=16484&sid=34592&bw=hi On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:34:31 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: >> OK I just saw a commercial for it. CBS known for their poor >> credibility may strike again. >> >> Apparrently a few months back a woman from CBS news contacted a friend >> of mine who is in a group who is doing a documentary on the sport bike >> scene. > >It was about what you expected, althjough they did give a short >disclaimer at the end that not all riders were like this. Look for >another round of "Sport Bike" hysteria. > >Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 11:28:40 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:28:34 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: CBS News @ 11 p.m. thursday night At 09:08 AM 11/5/2004, Daniel wrote: >for those that missed it (and care to see it): > >http://www.wusatv9.com/video/player.aspx?aid=16484&sid=34592&bw=hi Thanks for posting that. The guys being interviewed don't seem to really give a shit about what they do to motorcycling. No regard, no respect. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Death is certain. Life is not. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 11:32:22 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Brian Roach" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:33:54 -0500 Question: If a guy on a minibike waves to you do you wave back :-p Rob On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:55:12 -0500 (EST), Brian Roach wrote > > There's actually been a couple stories about it on the local news > over the last year or so - residents complaining about it, that sort > of thing. > > - Roach -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 11:50:07 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:49:59 EST Subject: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX OK, since the subject has been broached (thanks Rob :-)) how does everyone handle waving to another rider as you are passing them? ie. You are both heading in the same direction and you pass in the left lane. Do you reach across your chest and wave with your left hand? Make the pass and then wave with your left hand down and to the side? Simply give a head nod? Quick beep of the horn? Or nothing at all? Scooter In a message dated 11/5/2004 11:32:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: Question: If a guy on a minibike waves to you do you wave back :-p Rob On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:55:12 -0500 (EST), Brian Roach wrote > > There's actually been a couple stories about it on the local news > over the last year or so - residents complaining about it, that sort > of thing. > > - Roach -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 11:52:24 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HN54n/H941+tnMTJG2hIVQDDubtvGMWWIRHbKqV8ktgwwxfggKByOXrTtPpjPK1v8UKHkDavpnmrmkbuZlQJ6yrzAt/BnNo9ZENEgby+7Qnx1k1Ia65d95grEO3oHSpUtAbVIx6Qcr39/0lBF7cTBmPTKQ2aD3nHp6mv/+kdHmM= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:52:17 -0500 From: Herb To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: VFR R/R _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) - Show quoted text - > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Rich Westbrook > Subject: Regulator rectifier issues > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:16:01 -0500 > > After 27,000 worry free miles on the Honda VFR it seems that my RR has > died. Last night on the way home from work I noticed that my lights > were dimmer than normal. After sitting in traffic on 395 I got off my > exit and the bike just died while stopped at the first stop light. I > tried to restart the bike but it wouldn't turn over. The lights worked > but were pretty dim. I was able to push it over to a parking lot and > walked the rest of the way home (luckily only 2 blocks). So my > questions are: Does this sound like an Regulator Recitfier issue? > > If so, what brand should I get and where should I get it? > How easy are they to replace. Do I just unplug the old, and plug in > the new? > Do I need a new battery now? > > -Rich > ______________ Rich, My '99 VFR's R/R died last weekend---@ ~27,600 miles. Same circumstances as yours only I was 20+ miles from home. Removed the headlight fuse, bump started her and she crawled home. She's refired since then but I've lost confidence in the charging system. Ordered the new and improved R/R from AZMotorsports for $135 +s/h. Just learned that it's on backorder for 1-2 weeks. Will check with Honda of Milpitas now to see if they can deliver sooner. Perhaps the VFR DCCycles listers want to have a R/R garage day? ;~) Herb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 11:56:33 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=jzB7NF+OX8OPV+LDUszSmp+g+xYHlB08XfsdrdEszR9LBoOLY/ESqarXaYmqVND8L53pRXNRdSYj8zecjGxIDWD73QzowY17EeGCrIvk7D9dBtL72NAggyNjN0ttfUSHC5xFm3pjhP41zALz4mVfXAFcrsCu8Fwjc6NRMD1JMGg= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:49:17 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Cc: Dave Yates , Daniel A few general clarifications to points that have been raised. None of this is legal advice, and is vastly simplified. 1) Murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice. "Malice" is usually supplied by a showing of intent to kill or do serious bodily harm, but may also be based on a wanton and willful disregard of an unreasonable human risk -- this second ground is presumably the basis for the charge for the dirt-biker. The "default rule," if you will, for an unlawful killing is second-degree murder. If the murder is premeditated, it is elevated to first-degree murder. If the killing takes place in mitigating circumstances (e.g., imperfect self-defense, heat of the moment/catching the wife in bed), the charge may be lowered to "voluntary manslaughter." Since the unlawful killing of the child was done with malice (wanton and willful disregard by riding a motorbike at an unsafe speed in an area designated for pedestrians, and in which the rider knew people were present), but does not appear premeditated, the charge of second-degree murder seems warranted. So far as involuntary manslaughter, the DC Jury instructions are as follows: Criminal Jury Instructions for the District of Columbia, No. 4.25.B (4th ed. revised 2002): The essential elements of involuntary manslaughter, each of which the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt, are: 1. That the defendant caused the death of the decedent; 2. That the conduct which caused the death was a gross deviation from a reasonable standard of care; and 3. That the conduct which caused the death created an extreme risk of death or serious bodily injury. The gist of the difference between second degree murder and involuntary manslaughter is in whether the defendant is aware of the risk. To show guilt of second degree murder, the government must prove the defendant was aware of the extreme risk of death or serious bodily injury. For involuntary manslaughter, the government must prove, not that the defendant was aware of the risk, but that s/he should have been aware of it. 2) Bail. Bail is not *directly* related to the seriousness of the offense. As Yates implied, bail is supposed to be a means of guaranteeing a defendant's return for trial, nothing more. Of course, this indirectly takes into account the possible range of punishment for the defendant, and hence the seriousness of the offense. It also takes into account the defendant's ties to the area, ability to flee, etc., etc., etc. Aaron On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:33:09 -0500, Daniel wrote: > i have to agree, it's kind of good to see one of those 'above the law' > cops get what he deserves. see at least a criminal is being true to > his nature, but a criminal cop, that's hypocracy on top of criminality > in the name of justice. sickening. I wasn't expecting the judge to > let the guy go on P.R. I just figured he'd set the bail higher than > the man could afford anyway.. It's interesting that he turned > himself in though. > > On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:23:59 -0500, Dave Yates > wrote: > > > > >>now they are saying he's 29 years old.. not that it > >>matters... and he turned himself in.. and the judge gave no > >>bond. interesting. he turned himself in, didn't seem like a > >>runner to me.. doesnt' matter I suppose > > > >[Dave] News reports - we all know how accurate they are (no, > >this was not from red Dan Rather) indicated this guy had a > >significant criminal record. I for one am glad to see no > >bond on this particular turd, as well that $hithead marshall, > >who will hopefully earn the death penalty (fingers crossed). > > > >dead is dead. > >Dave Yates > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:03:48 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:03:22 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Scooter asks: >OK, since the subject has been broached (thanks Rob :-)) how >does everyone handle waving to another rider as you are >passing them? ie. You are both heading in the same >direction and you pass in the left lane. Do you reach >across your chest and wave with your left hand? Make the >pass and then wave with your left hand down and to the >side? Simply give a head nod? Quick beep of >the horn? Or nothing at all? [Dave] There is one simple answer: It depends. Leisurely pass, little to no traffic? Wave w/ left hand across chest might not be noticed... Head nod. A horn beep can be misinterpreted... Passing with prejudice? I've got bigger concerns. I may wave after the pass is executed. But what if it's a scooter rider? A: No. I believe Gimer refers to them as ...pathetic little F888sticks. Probably for good reason too. I don't get returned waves from these guys, as if their vespa fumes don't stink or something... I always make an attempt to acknowledge another motorcycle rider's presence, no matter who rolls up on whom... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:13:10 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR R/R Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:12:43 -0500 LOL, I should be good for another 20,000 or so, but I'll be glad to host! Rob '98 VFR800 ______________ Rich, My '99 VFR's R/R died last weekend---@ ~27,600 miles. Same circumstances as yours only I was 20+ miles from home. Removed the headlight fuse, bump started her and she crawled home. She's refired since then but I've lost confidence in the charging system. Ordered the new and improved R/R from AZMotorsports for $135 +s/h. Just learned that it's on backorder for 1-2 weeks. Will check with Honda of Milpitas now to see if they can deliver sooner. Perhaps the VFR DCCycles listers want to have a R/R garage day? ;~) Herb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:13:21 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=o/vDw3AFzzF5jfkb7ZUTF2s5lHdUF1TDI25jdMFcnffQWTfnrfyt7mOUd7qndsIHjvxGm5J82DKmLvHyLO1LlfeSaCmVSP1YPF5X2a5+HWLYSh0GEC+kUiB2m2QANTyOC/1G/CI08nBu2UiqzN0ATKK2lFEDPT1g0E2LXj04uPo= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:13:12 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) > OK, since the subject has been broached (thanks Rob :-)) how does everyone > handle waving to another rider as you are passing them? I usually lift my left hand in a "Queen Elizabeth" type wave > Question: > If a guy on a minibike waves to you do you wave back :-p Depends on what he's waving. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:22:43 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:22:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) There's a woman who rides a Burgman scooter, attired in 3/4 helmet, jacket of some sort and street clothes (skirt). She appears to white-knuckle it up the GW Pkwy. past the airport every morning. Has not waved once, despite numerous attempts on my part. Here's my wave pattern. On the Mighty VFR, the Royal Wave (arm straight up with light bulb twist) is usually appropriate. One the KLR, the middle finger aloft "thumpers rule" signal is best avoided, unless it's to someone in the know. :) -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates But what if it's a scooter rider? A: No. I believe Gimer refers to them as ...pathetic little F888sticks. Probably for good reason too. I don't get returned waves from these guys, as if their vespa fumes don't stink or something... I always make an attempt to acknowledge another motorcycle rider's presence, no matter who rolls up on whom... Dave Yates Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:24:13 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:23:54 -0500 I generally raise the index and middle fingers of my right hand in a "V" (peace sign) while maintaining throttle control with my palm and remaining fingers. Sometimes, I'll bring my left hand across my body in a wave, but not so much. Perry >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) >Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:49:59 EST > >OK, since the subject has been broached (thanks Rob :-)) how does everyone >handle waving to another rider as you are passing them? ie. You are both >heading in the same direction and you pass in the left lane. Do you reach >across >your chest and wave with your left hand? Make the pass and then wave with >your left hand down and to the side? Simply give a head nod? Quick beep >of >the horn? Or nothing at all? > >Scooter > >In a message dated 11/5/2004 11:32:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, >rob@XXXXXX writes: >Question: > >If a guy on a minibike waves to you do you wave back :-p > > >Rob > >On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:55:12 -0500 (EST), Brian Roach wrote > > > > There's actually been a couple stories about it on the local news > > over the last year or so - residents complaining about it, that sort > > of thing. > > > > - Roach > > >-- >Rob Sharp >rob@XXXXXX > > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:26:22 2004 Subject: RE: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:26:18 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > OK, since the subject has been broached (thanks Rob :-)) how > does everyone handle waving to another rider as you are > passing them? ie. You are both heading in the same > direction and you pass in the left lane. Do you reach > across your chest and wave with your left hand? Make the > pass and then wave with your left hand down and to the side? > Simply give a head nod? Quick beep of the horn? Or nothing at all? If passing another bike, you can pretty much assume that I'm at a "sane" speed on a major highway... If two lanes and I stay in my lane, I generally will wait until well clear of the other dude and do a left hand wave out to the side, just like if another bike was coming the opposite way. If one lane and I cut back in front, I'll do the same, but generally do so as soon as Ive pulled back in because I know the guy can see me (being dead in front of him instead of off at an angle to the left). Scooters... No wave. Get a real bike, you unlicensed freak! Other point of contention... Chopper and/or Harley riders in half helmets and short sleeves: No wave initiated by me. I'll return one, but won't start it. If they've got real gear, I'll wave (get about 50% of them wave back). --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:32:08 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:32:04 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson To: Rob Keiser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR R/R My first one made it 38k miles before giving up. The second is at 72k and counting, finger crossed. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Keiser LOL, I should be good for another 20,000 or so, but I'll be glad to host! Rob '98 VFR800 ______________ Rich, My '99 VFR's R/R died last weekend---@ ~27,600 miles. Same circumstances as yours only I was 20+ miles from home. Perhaps the VFR DCCycles listers want to have a R/R garage day? ;~) Herb Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:37:51 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:37:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) The Burgmans, Silverwings, big Vespas, etc., are licensed (or should be) and legally-speaking you need to hold an endorsement to pilot those beasts. But, yeah, you're right, I tend not to bother with the <50 cc crowd. -----Original Message----- From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" Scooters... No wave. Get a real bike, you unlicensed freak! --smthng Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:37:51 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:37:31 EST Subject: Re: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thank you all for the insight on this. I usually do the across the chest with head nod. Never thought about the "Queen Elizabeth" type wave. I'll have to try that one. The right-hand two fingers wave also sounds like it might work. See you out there. Look for the guy on the R6 trying to figure out how to wave atcha. ;-) Scooter (now, which is my left hand again?) In a message dated 11/5/2004 12:13:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > OK, since the subject has been broached (thanks Rob :-)) how does everyone > handle waving to another rider as you are passing them? I usually lift my left hand in a "Queen Elizabeth" type wave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:59:52 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:59:42 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: Cold Weather Gloves To: DC Cycles As it gets colder, it's more obvious that I need warmer gloves. I'm going to be adding heated grips in the near future, but I think my gloves need an upgrade, too. I want gloves with armor, though. Most of the winter gloves seem to be just heavily insulated. Newenough has "Tour Master Cold Front Carbon Gloves" for $55 that have armor. http://www.newenough.com/tour_master_coldfront_carbon_gloves_page.htm Anyone tried these? Other alternatives? Thanks, Brian Ray From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 13:29:51 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:29:42 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: Re: CBS News @ 11 p.m. thursday night To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Guy on the video says he wants to "get off the streets and go Pro". Pro what? Pro Squidly on his "Ninja"? Effin' Morons ruining the more sane side of riders... Ryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 13:40:19 2004 Subject: RE: Cold Weather Gloves Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:40:12 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" > Newenough has "Tour Master Cold Front Carbon Gloves" > for $55 that have armor. > > http://www.newenough.com/tour_master_coldfront_carbon_gloves_page.htm > > Anyone tried these? Never tried them myself, but thinking about it. They've gotten good reviews from several people on the FZ1 boards (which is a pretty good indicator IMO, as the FZ1 send a nice BLAST of cold air right into your hands). > Other alternatives? My old fallback... 3-4 mil diving gloves. Real heavy, probably won't rip or burn through in a get off, but not too much for "structural" support. I could see a broken finger or two in a nasty tumble, but seriously doubt you could get a road rash in 'em. Advantage - TOTALLY windproof and quite warm. Still looking for something better. I have small fingers, so I'm doubly challenged in this regard. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 17:04:55 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=dkxBEu4q7OKKrraHhrhSXKZURQFDHaPoDHdz5kuDC7WcTgUDOT0JuZWXw5HlzhXMiAxrUOmr0ZWwqjlZYDZdu2gWRsJljJIlD/FLeF4cwjC3yLSdw6qvGxYzIKovnw4WTjAXZ+BmsWPAZSarXgS5Jnn223yVmBbX72uVTAgKzC8= ; Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:04:36 -0800 (PST) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: CBS News and Topper Shutt UP! To: DC Cycles I saw the complete story last night, and at the end of the clip Topper Shutt turns to Tracey Neale and says "you know what the cops call the [sport bikers] don't you?"...."Organ Donors" Tracey just shakes her head uncomfortably and says..uh...lets talk about weather... All I could think was Topper, shut the hell up and friggin stick with weather reports... -Corbett --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > OK I just saw a commercial for it. CBS known > for their poor > > credibility may strike again. > > > > Apparrently a few months back a woman from CBS > news contacted a friend > > of mine who is in a group who is doing a > documentary on the sport bike > > scene. > > It was about what you expected, althjough they did > give a short > disclaimer at the end that not all riders were like > this. Look for > another round of "Sport Bike" hysteria. > > Michael J. > > ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 18:59:59 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 19:01:28 -0500 I down shift, hammer the throttle pull a wheelie, come back down, hop off the seat do the sparks with your feet thing. Then I flash my bike gang sign. Isn't that what you all do. If I am driving by the police I do the same thing then outrun them; cause they can't stop me baby. Rob On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:49:59 EST, ScooterFZR wrote > OK, since the subject has been broached (thanks Rob :-)) how does > everyone handle waving to another rider as you are passing them? > ie. You are both heading in the same direction and you pass in the > left lane. Do you reach across your chest and wave with your left > hand? Make the pass and then wave with your left hand down and to > the side? Simply give a head nod? Quick beep of the horn? Or > nothing at all? > > Scooter > > In a message dated 11/5/2004 11:32:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, > rob@XXXXXX writes: > Question: > > If a guy on a minibike waves to you do you wave back :-p > > Rob > > On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:55:12 -0500 (EST), Brian Roach wrote > > > > There's actually been a couple stories about it on the local news > > over the last year or so - residents complaining about it, that sort > > of thing. > > > > - Roach > > -- > Rob Sharp > rob@XXXXXX -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 20:57:35 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:57:27 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/05/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, Interesting digest this evening.. re VFR RR's, mine went out at about 50K, and I replaced it w/ OEM, only because Electrexusa.com hadn't really got it together. Still OK at 65K. re waving, I do not wave to scooters (not you Scooter :) but the moped boys buzzing up 'n down my street for the last two years merit special consideration (only cuz I remember what it was like when I was a kid). I generally turn my head and nod, I figure they can see that. But if I'm buzzing by, I might not have time :) lol. re TV9.. what a crock 'a shit that was. I hate the media too, but NOT because theyre too liberal, but cuz theyre self-serving wankers. OBTW, I came across a new road (to me) the other day. It's SR 25 but starts out as SR 21 in WV in Brandywine, off of 33. I can not believe I only just learned of this 20 mile romp. I did it on Wednesday and it rocks. It heads out to 220 where you can return to Franklin. Check it out, y'all. John Kozyn (D-mode) 1995 VFR750F 1999 900SS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 21:03:56 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Dt1zZY4EFNxrObX4BhChagKiAt+ZHQ4VV9ZzI4PcYLLKh7liGi5G4t1Xil34V3jID7HviCInb/KPyGxH7OSFlrtueMrALLSG8/LSRorj6d9BqBSkyoDCDI+6LiYBq4A4ncQSTd4Wafew2inuatdIgnzBXemloAMr5pFSYSzfhXY= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:03:53 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/05/04 > OBTW, I came across a new road (to me) the other day. It's SR 25 but > starts out as SR 21 in WV in Brandywine, off of 33. Streets & Trips shows it as County Roads 21 & 25 - changes from 21 to 25 around beautiful downtown Sugar Grove. It's on the list - thanks, John Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 6 09:02:13 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=XJB0YGBuQ5WMY+hKHVmHb2dpf9Jhq+jQKNMXHRm1GFD/6CxFxjOrewnNoACTRn6PF5zfCA4M+e0kdXKyXTQtyGBM1c4HI6oBMp/LAKFcwQ/nEW3JxZ9KNCdKxrR2uePJYkJhUdUzJ5sfGgXHHKsHrHiuTdmHZvMmeV9/hvmny00= Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:02:10 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: Rob Sharp Subject: Re: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Cc: scooterfzr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I down shift, hammer the throttle pull a wheelie, come back down, hop off the > seat do the sparks with your feet thing. Then I flash my bike gang sign. > Isn't that what you all do. If I am driving by the police I do the same thing > then outrun them; cause they can't stop me baby. And that's on his moped! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 6 15:26:20 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:26:00 -0500 sometimes i past first, then once ahead of them, i wave with my left hand in the air. scooters i don't wave too. Scooter owners usually dont' belong to a group where they tell each other the courtesy of waving so they don't understand. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 6 15:51:05 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Need some wrenching advise. Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:52:38 -0500 I was working on the VFR today, putting in some speed bleeders and new SS brake lines on the front. I was putting in the new speed bleeder and sheared off the bleeder in the caplipur. I didn't cross thread it but I on second look the new speed bleeder was longer than the stock bleeders so I probably hit bottom. I sheared it off at the check value bearing. I am not sure the best way to get it out. I think I could probably use the dremel tool to cut a slot in it and back it out with a screw driver. If that fails or someone thinks thats a bad idea what should I do. I don't wanna but a new calipur since I am sure it's quite expensive. Any ideas from the list? Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 6 16:38:16 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=r7zEVCRJpZmNJZoSEf9Y396N+/Z6fV4N53lELm/mlL0mJ1IPS8HT2k0PHT/s5efIR3wafCvkO+F4sgcUS1XU7aqhBNImvBopqQg1nuuJZkGNpwlpzq124dx/Lhf4jrnvDcO9iv9+2nh4fFM0VEQipepOH3sCXGtgxFR8+UshlaU= Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:38:06 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Need some wrenching advise. > I was working on the VFR today, putting in some speed bleeders and new SS > brake lines on the front. I was putting in the new speed bleeder and sheared > off the bleeder in the caplipur. I didn't cross thread it but I on second > look the new speed bleeder was longer than the stock bleeders so I probably > hit bottom. I sheared it off at the check value bearing. I am not sure the > best way to get it out. I think I could probably use the dremel tool to cut a > slot in it and back it out with a screw driver. If that fails or someone > thinks thats a bad idea what should I do. I don't wanna but a new calipur > since I am sure it's quite expensive. If it's sticking out of the caliper body you may be able to cut a slot or just grab it with a pair of piers. If it broke off below the top of the hole, get yourself to Sears (or similar) and get a broken screw extractor. It's a tool steel widget that is tapered and has left hand threads - you just screw it into the hole in the bleeder and it will unscrew the bleeder when it's threads grab the bleeder. You may have to drill out the hole in the bleeder a bit. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 6 23:28:01 2004 Subject: A strange and wonderful beast! Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:27:58 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "dc Cycles" , I posting this to two lists, so there may be some slightly repeated info. I figure both groups will be interested as there is some general stuff and some FJR specific stuff (feel free to flame me in private if you feel it neccessary)... And for those that used to my posts: "Yes, this is another one of those long winded ones." If you want to know what this post is about before committing to the WHOLE thing, just read one more paragraph... that'll pretty much clue you in. :P I got a call from the stealer today saying that my FJR had arrived and I could pick it up today if I could get there before closing. I was a little over 100 miles away, but luckily I was on the FZ1 so that wasn't too much of a problem. :) I made it about half an hour before closing. They were still assembling, so I snagged a few accessories and started in on the paperwork (getting major accessories is great with a bike purchase... the family accountant now doesn't get to find out how much I spent on the suit). There were a couple of issues with the dealer... my first one being them trying to charge me $800 for Yamaha's extended warantee! Anyway... the short version is that I have my new FJR1300 ABS and have two guys at the dealer who want to buy my FZ1. I'll deal with that later, right now it's time to take care of the new beastie. :) I took a short ride to my usual coffee shop first. Initial impressions were "How very, VERY strange this bike is". Of course, there was the gobs of instant power any time you wanted it, but there were lots of other little things that stuck me as just "odd". I'll get into those in a minute. Anyway, after polishing off a nice cup of coffee, chatting with the coffee girl and looking up a few things in the owners manual, I called the wife and told her I probably wouldn't be home for a few hours. ;) I took a reasonably decent ride around several local roads, avoiding our plethora of interstates like the plague (IMO, little twisties are best for initial break in... lots of gear shifts and constantly changing RPM). I did follow Yamaha's "Official" break in recommendation, which is "Do not run above 5000 RPM for extended periods in the first 600 miles". I probably tapped 5000 a few times and maybe touched 6k once, but generally I was playing down on the low side the whole trip. I'm not real worried about it, my 600 miles will probably be over tomorrow. ;) Anyway, here's some of the things I noticed about the FJR in my first couple of hours... GOBS O' POWER! Have throttle, will move. I imagine you could easily do 100 mph WITHOUT violating the break in recommendation. I caught myself doing 70 several times and significantly higher once or twice. Note to self: Remember how much insurance hikes cost due to speeding. I must say, however, that it's very predictable power. It's not FZ1 power where you whack the throttle and hang on for dear life. It's a lot of very nice, reliable, predictable power. The FZ1 could scare me if I was getting a bit froggy with it. I doubt the FJR will, even if it could outrun the FZ1 (I don't know if it can or not, it's just a hypothetical conjecture). The good part about this is that the bike just feels good. The bad part is that I could see it being real easy to not realize that you're getting up into triple digits. I can FEEL the speed on the FZ1. I don't on the FJR. The speed and power are just kind of there, with more to give if you want it. Torquey. A nice pull pretty much in any gear. I was being quite nice to the new beasty, so I don't know how much pull is there, but a lot more than I expected. Quiet exhaust. Not good. :( VERY quiet. Must fix that, ASAP. We need a bit of attitude back there. Shifts are NICE! Happily snaps into gear with a fairly satisfying clunk. But, the tranny actually feels like it's from a different bike though. Everything else on the FJR is really smooth and blends together nicely. The tranny just doesn't fit when you hear it. It's the usual Yamaha clunk. Better than most other Yama trannies I've heard, but still a bit too clunky and "divorced" from the rest of the bike. It just doesn't fit the whole concept of the FJR, IMO. But it works, is quite smooth and happily shifts into whatever you want it to. It's just one of those "odd" things. Shaft drive - Nice. No chain snatch, even with the unfamiliar clutch. Makes the entire driveline feel very smooth, yet quite tight. There's no slop back there, whatever you decide to do with the clutch and the gas is going DIRECTLY to your rear. Adjustable windshield - SWEEEEETNESS! Awesome. I was easily doing 70 mph with the shield up and had no need for earplugs! Whoop! I could actually HEAR the bike for a change instead of just the exhaust and chain (cough*FZ1*cough). I also tested it all the way lowered with me "tucked"... again, very nice. Of course, if you pop your head over it, expect the usual massive wind roar, but it definately does it's job. Lights - Not quite as good as the FZ1, but still quite impressive and brighter than most bikes I've been on. Probably could use some auxillary lights on low beams, as the lows are very "focused". The highs are fine, but you can never have too much light. I'll probably be adding something soon for more light. Suspension - Didn't notice any issues, but I'll need a lot more miles on it to really be able to give any good feedback. Suspension has always been a weak spot for me anyway, so I probably couldn't tell you anything useful. I can say that the little hard/soft switch is a nice touch, and the ass end felt a whole lot better on hard (of course, I realized afterwards that I had managed to pack about 70 lbs of gear back there). Clutch - Here's where the "odd" stuff really starts. The FJR has a hydraulic clutch. It's wierd. It works like a clutch. It acts like a clutch. But, it sure doesn't FEEL like one. Almost no feedback from the clutch. I can't feel it start to grab at all in the clutch. I can feel it in the engine and frame, but not the clutch. There's nothing "wrong" with it. It's just odd. I guess it's one of those things you get used to. Accessories - Yamaha does some strange stuff here. A fairing "glovebox" that you can't open unless the bike is on and in neutral... Hazard flashers that only work with the ignition on... Adjustable windshield that automagically retracts to lowest setting every time you turn the bike off... Just odd stuff. There's lots of info on the FJR boards on how to fix it all and make it work the way that most normal humans think it should, so that will be done soon. Handling - coming from the FZ1, this thing feels heavy. At the dealership, I was VERY surprised by how heavy it felt. Once on the road though, it was fine. Of course, I keep forgetting I had about 70 lbs of crap on the back (just got back from trying to resurrect a friend's Seca II and had a bunch of tools with me). Will have to re-address this tomorrow. Brakes - Mushy. :( Very little feedback. First impression was pretty much as follows... Squeeze. "Nothing's happening". Squeeze more. "Oh crap, still nothing!" Really squeeze. "Oh, there they are." Both the front and the back feel like that to me. It might be the ABS, it might be the wieght of the bike, it might have been my tools... no idea yet. I'll have to get back to this one once I have more saddle time. First impression says "get steel lines ASAP". Unfortunately, that ain't gonna be cheap (if there's a set available).. the ABS routes stuff everywhere. By the way... I didn't try the ABS. Want to wait till I scrub the tires in a bit and/or it rains. The dash - BLINKERS! I don't believe it's humanly possible to forget that you left a turn signal on. The indicator lights could possibly blind the cage driver behind you. 'Nuff said on that. The tach - Looks like "Sesame Street" numbers. Too big. Kind of irritatingly too big. I don't like the tach at all. Everything else is all good though. Just a nice pleasant green dashboard with lots of easily found info for you (and a temperature guage of some kind - thank God!). THE BIRDS!!! There's a flock of birds in my bike! hehe... Actually, this is kind of funny to me and isn't at all irritating, even though it may sound like it from the description. This thing makes so many freaking noises! The cam chirps, the rear drive chirps, the brakes chirp, it chirps accellerating, it chirps decelerating... you get the picture. It really does sound like an aviary in the engine. To cool part is that they're all NICE chirps. The FJR is almost musical. It's pleasant to listen to all the gear driven stuff going on in there and I could really see myself changing speeds and gears and messing with the throttle just to hear the thing on a long trip. It's wierd, but cool. None of it is really loud (I doubt anyone other than the driver can hear it) except that one little harmonica noise from the driveshaft on downshifts. They all good noises, but there are a ton of them. I imagine several will go away after everything loosens up a bit, but I'd be quite upset if I lost them all. :) Overall - It's a sweet ride. I love it and can see keeping it for years and years. Generally, it feels comfortable, competent and reliable. With a bit more riding (and after the break in period) I may find that it's also hella fun, has an instant grin factor and carves like a champ. Just won't know that for a while. It's got some quirks, but only a couple are bad enough to irritate me and they're all easily remedied. A very competant and "solid" bike. It just feels good. I'll be able to tell alot more tomorrow (when I'll be riding during DAYLIGHT!) and after the two break in marks (which won't take long). I already love cruising around on her and I can't wait to toss her into some nice twisty bits and really see what she does when I can stretch that tach out a bit. Until then, I'll just keep falling in love gently. :) 'Gnight all. --smthng 'Dreaming of pigeons, sparrows and triple digits. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 7 08:06:51 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=bT2rD9dk2SohWyC3ua/NeIOJ8sHpebFiA/K6t1A2gkYtHOK/M9VyoOspNPt6CcAjkdW3zeR+Cf3JmZIiZPrxX5fHSO7wYRkk33Z/vF8gGa7W3UZCC4xsFWO/iFtz9nYYWQxGVpTqX7zMofxT7DaDPUkKoXxdQwyQxSl30evF4jM= ; Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 05:06:47 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/05/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You came across it huh? ;-) Glenn --- John Kozyn wrote: > > OBTW, I came across a new road (to me) the other > day. It's SR 25 but > starts out as SR 21 in WV in Brandywine, off of 33. > I can not believe I > only just learned of this 20 mile romp. I did it on > Wednesday and it > rocks. It heads out to 220 where you can return to > Franklin. Check it > out, y'all. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 7 10:48:45 2004 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:06:39 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: dc Cycles Subject: Re: A strange and wonderful beast! On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > Until then, I'll just keep falling in love gently. :) > > 'Gnight all. > > --smthng Congrats on the new ride, Jonathan! Enjoy the nice weather we're having around DC this weekend. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 7 12:27:33 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Cellphone jamming update Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:27:09 -0500 A status of cellphone jamming -- the major pieces of which we've touched on. When Etiquette Isn't Enough, a Cellphone Cone of Silence http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/07/weekinreview/07bels.html (may require registration) Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Is muffler jamming next? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 7 16:24:06 2004 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:22:56 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Need some wrenching advise. At 03:52 PM 11/6/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: >best way to get it out. I think I could probably use the dremel tool to cut a >slot in it and back it out with a screw driver. If that fails or someone >thinks thats a bad idea what should I do. I don't wanna but a new calipur >since I am sure it's quite expensive. Would one of those Sears "Grabbit" extractors work? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 7 19:35:40 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need some wrenching advise. Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:37:12 -0500 I tried a screw extractor. It snapped off inside the the bleeder. Looks like the blue locktite did it's job well. Looking like I just learned an expensive lesson... Rob On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:22:56 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote > At 03:52 PM 11/6/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: > > >best way to get it out. I think I could probably use the dremel tool to > cut a > >slot in it and back it out with a screw driver. If that fails or someone > >thinks thats a bad idea what should I do. I don't wanna but a new calipur > >since I am sure it's quite expensive. > > Would one of those Sears "Grabbit" extractors work? > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non- > Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 7 19:40:03 2004 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:57:52 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Need some wrenching advise. On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Rob Sharp wrote: > I tried a screw extractor. It snapped off inside the the bleeder. Looks > like the blue locktite did it's job well. Looking like I just learned an > expensive lesson... > > Rob Just pull the caliper and take it to a machine shop. It will probably take them 15 minutes to drill it out and helicoil the hole for you. I use Advanced Valve in MD. Owner's name is Dave. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 7 21:48:03 2004 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:47:54 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Need some wrenching advise. Two things: 1) Sears has an extractor, I think they call it a "Grabbit", which isn't like the reverse threaded type someone else described (which sounded like an Easy Out). It's shaped like a pointed spade, and has sharp edges that bite into the metal. You need a small hole, but it doesn't thread into it, it bites into the edges. It may slip easier than an Easy Out, but it's almost impossible to break one off in the part you are trying to get loose. I have no idea how well it will work on a hole that has a broken-off Easy Out in it...probably not all that well...those things are made of pretty hard metal. 2) If there's thread lock involved, use a heat gun to warm the item up before you try to remove the stuck part. Even the blue loctite is a lot easier to remove if it's hot. Not sure what you should do at this point. I suppose you could drill out the broken parts and tools (with difficulty), tap the hole and use a Helicoil to get back to the size you need for your bleeder, but in a critical location like a caliper, I think I'd call it tuition and get a new caliper at this point...but maybe the more experienced folks have some other options to recommend. -- Mike B. At 07:37 PM 11/7/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: >I tried a screw extractor. It snapped off inside the the bleeder. Looks >like the blue locktite did it's job well. Looking like I just learned an >expensive lesson... > >Rob > > >On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:22:56 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote >> At 03:52 PM 11/6/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: >> >> >best way to get it out. I think I could probably use the dremel tool to >> cut a >> >slot in it and back it out with a screw driver. If that fails or someone >> >thinks thats a bad idea what should I do. I don't wanna but a new calipur >> >since I am sure it's quite expensive. >> >> Would one of those Sears "Grabbit" extractors work? >> >> -- >> -- Mike B. >> >> '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non- >> Harley folks) >> >> Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes >> is better. > > >-- >Rob Sharp >rob@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 7 23:49:12 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need some wrenching advise. Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:50:47 -0500 I am inclined to get a new caliper. I had a spark plug pop out of the head on my first car. Took a wrench and torqued right down to specs and it held. 2 weeks later it popped out again. This time I had a helicoil installed and the plug replaced at a mechanic. About 6 months later it happened against and I ended up getting a new head. Maybe it was an error on the mechanics part but I don't want to relive that experience with my brake caliper. So hopefully I can get one on ebay or from a cycle salvage place. I don't wanna end up in an accident down the road cause I tried to repair a part I should of replaced.. After Regards, Rob On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:47:54 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote > Two things: > > 1) Sears has an extractor, I think they call it a "Grabbit", which isn't > like the reverse threaded type someone else described (which sounded > like an Easy Out). It's shaped like a pointed spade, and has sharp > edges that bite into the metal. You need a small hole, but it > doesn't thread into it, it bites into the edges. It may slip easier > than an Easy Out, but it's almost impossible to break one off in the > part you are trying to get loose. I have no idea how well it will > work on a hole that has a broken-off Easy Out in it...probably not > all that well...those things are made of pretty hard metal. > > 2) If there's thread lock involved, use a heat gun to warm the item > up before you try to remove the stuck part. Even the blue loctite > is a lot easier to remove if it's hot. > > Not sure what you should do at this point. I suppose you could > drill out the broken parts and tools (with difficulty), tap the hole > and use a Helicoil to get back to the size you need for your bleeder, > but in a critical location like a caliper, I think I'd call it > tuition and get a new caliper at this point...but maybe the more > experienced folks have some other options to recommend. > > -- Mike B. > > At 07:37 PM 11/7/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: > >I tried a screw extractor. It snapped off inside the the bleeder. Looks > >like the blue locktite did it's job well. Looking like I just learned an > >expensive lesson... > > > >Rob > > > > > >On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:22:56 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote > >> At 03:52 PM 11/6/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: > >> > >> >best way to get it out. I think I could probably use the dremel tool to > >> cut a > >> >slot in it and back it out with a screw driver. If that fails or someone > >> >thinks thats a bad idea what should I do. I don't wanna but a new calipur > >> >since I am sure it's quite expensive. > >> > >> Would one of those Sears "Grabbit" extractors work? > >> > >> -- > >> -- Mike B. > >> > >> '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non- > >> Harley folks) > >> > >> Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > >> is better. > > > > > >-- > >Rob Sharp > >rob@XXXXXX > > -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 07:25:56 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=j7h1jcOXeyyKHflTxTBJ7GSrmfPDulXPQucPodT35dSzejbyZO0so8M/k2kKsPOkv7AidLShxKLtmJBGlP0vOIDsinRf+8zf4ZrkdqGVKTO0s1DXLMA+fQmPKZ1wCrZY9c7JuoBbGtYYNhmvF3rY0vOVO41cTnlXGg4uCfE85aQ= ; Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 04:25:51 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Need some wrenching advise. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That sucks, I've done that before, but not on something so expensive. Looks like on your part its a $238 mistake. Here is the part number: 45250-MAT-016 Glenn --- Rob Sharp wrote: > I tried a screw extractor. It snapped off inside > the the bleeder. Looks > like the blue locktite did it's job well. Looking > like I just learned an > expensive lesson... > > Rob > > > On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:22:56 -0500, Mike Bartman > wrote > > At 03:52 PM 11/6/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: > > > > >best way to get it out. I think I could probably > use the dremel tool to > > cut a > > >slot in it and back it out with a screw driver. > If that fails or someone > > >thinks thats a bad idea what should I do. I > don't wanna but a new calipur > > >since I am sure it's quite expensive. > > > > Would one of those Sears "Grabbit" extractors > work? > > > > -- > > -- Mike B. > > > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI > for the non- > > Harley folks) > > > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning > from someone else's mistakes > > is better. > > > -- > Rob Sharp > rob@XXXXXX > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 08:15:46 2004 From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Need some wrenching advise. Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:15:36 -0500 If Mr. Jordan's advice of slot or EZ-out fails, just take the caliper to an automotive machine shop and ask them to make it all better. As long as you don't break off the screw extractor (aka EZ-out), they can easily drill it out. --jon >> I was putting in the new speed bleeder and sheared >> off the bleeder in the caplipur. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 13:50:23 2004 Subject: Situation Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:50:21 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Three bikers on a nice Sunday jaunt....The lead rider is a quarter mile ahead.....Truck pulls out on a one lane blacktop. Lead biker decides not to stop and crosses double yellow and continues on to diner half mile up the street. Biker 2 and Biker 3 catch up to truck and decide to pass ( double yellow). Truck swerves into opposite lane to prevent. Bikers 2 and 3 pass and zip off. Truck follows bikers and pulls into diner. Confrontation ensues. Leader...choosing the diplomatic route....apologizes after mentioning that truck did in fact pull onto road without signalling and could have waited. Woman in truck is on phone calling the blue gang to create incident. Bikers decide not to have dinner and nice hot coffees. They leave. What are possible repercussions of having a citizen call into local authorities with license plate numbers of bikers? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 13:59:12 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CH7AsMKabG/rOu5C7c+qxsmdzh+cYVqvqdOCs/AphszQQTgQAtdrpacidgaB0ulC5LUX6fR6aBKsD6h8oj36xn/wTpLODiawLNd7w1jit8kworzmgyWeCUn1FaZexyxNBNyftNXOFcAnSuUYTTHeV2Haig2q39GK5RlM2E9EI0s= Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:58:45 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: Situation Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > What are possible repercussions of having a citizen call into local > authorities with license plate numbers of bikers? None - but I would have placed my own call in to the boys in blue for two counts on the woman - the first for pulling out into traffic without looking and the second for the willful attempt to commit murder. When the boys in blue get there, it's three against one Michael - the best defense is a good offense - J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 14:08:13 2004 From: "Anne S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New biker Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:07:58 -0500 Hi everyone, I just got my M license about a month ago and am itching to get a bike (since I'll probably forget everything I learned in class if I don't soon!). A friend is selling an old Honda, a 1982 CM 450 - I havent' had a chance to go out and look at it, but I'm truly clueless about how to choose a bike (other than price). For now I just want to do practicing on country roads so I"m thinking of something on the small side. Any recommendations? Anne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 14:15:10 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:15:03 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Situation At 01:50 PM 11/8/2004, Julian Halton wrote: >What are possible repercussions of having a citizen call into local >authorities with license plate numbers of bikers? Virtually none. They can't ticket you based on her observation. How did she get home with flat tires? Getting your valve stems cut is a bitch. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Death is certain. Life is not. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 14:17:23 2004 Subject: RE: New biker Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:17:22 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Anne S" , > Hi everyone, I just got my M license about a month ago and > am itching to get a bike (since I'll probably forget > everything I learned in class if I > don't soon!). Congrats and welcome! :) > A friend is selling an old Honda, a 1982 CM > 450 - I havent' > had a chance to go out and look at it, but I'm truly clueless > about how to choose a bike (other than price). The size would be about right, IMO, but I'd be leary about getting something quite that old. It's more likely to have some "quirks" that a newer bike wouldn't and finding parts for it might be a bit more difficult than something a little newer. Not sure though, I've never had to hunt down old Honda parts. > For now I > just want to do practicing on country roads so I"m thinking > of something on the small side. Any recommendations? Personally, for any "new" biker, I'd say it's a good idea to stay under the 600cc mark for a first bike. I'd recommend staying away from "crotch rockets", like R6's and such as well. I'd be thinking along the lines of a Seca II, Bandit, Nighthawk, etc. Something that you like (which I consider to be an important factor), but not something with the power to do 150 mph (hence my crotch rocket comment). Consider what you want in a bike and what you want to use it for. With that, you could probably get some better recommendations to get you a bike that I not only good for learning on, but one that you won't get tired of in 3 months. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 14:19:35 2004 Subject: RE: Situation Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:19:33 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > What are possible repercussions of having a citizen call into > local authorities with license plate numbers of bikers? Dude, trouble finds you like a magnet, doesn't it? :) You're relatively safe as long as you don't have lots of people calling in the same department about the same group of bikes. She could have the tag number wrong, it could have been another bike, etc. Nothing they can do other than ask you nicely to behave. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 14:29:39 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Julian Halton" , Subject: Re: Situation Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:31:11 -0500 I would highly doubt the could even issue a ticket to the riders having not witnessed the event. Also since there was no accident they can't get you for leaving the scene. If anything it ticked off the cop who had to show up to take a statement about a situation they could do nothing about. Rob On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:50:21 -0500, Julian Halton wrote > Three bikers on a nice Sunday jaunt....The lead rider is a quarter mile > ahead.....Truck pulls out on a one lane blacktop. Lead biker decides > not to stop and crosses double yellow and continues on to diner half > mile up the street. Biker 2 and Biker 3 catch up to truck and > decide to pass ( double yellow). Truck swerves into opposite lane to > prevent. Bikers 2 and 3 pass and zip off. Truck follows bikers and > pulls into diner. Confrontation ensues. > > Leader...choosing the diplomatic route....apologizes after mentioning > that truck did in fact pull onto road without signalling and could have > waited. > Woman in truck is on phone calling the blue gang to create incident. > Bikers decide not to have dinner and nice hot coffees. They leave. > > What are possible repercussions of having a citizen call into local > authorities with license plate numbers of bikers? -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 14:29:47 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:29:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Situation At 01:50 PM 11/8/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: >What are possible repercussions of having a citizen call into local >authorities with license plate numbers of bikers? Seems like bikers are guilty of traffic law violations (and in the case of the later two, stupidity...the leader might have had to pass illegally, depending on the timing/distances involved, the other two did not and there are usually good reasons why a line is double yellow). Most jurisdictions I've heard of require that an officer witness the infractions for there to be any tickets issued. In Virginia it used to be that the issuing officer had to witness the infraction, but in Maryland any officer could witness and have another issue the ticket. In both cases the witnessing officer had to testify in court about it if it got that far. Citizen complaint might result in extra "attention" to the bikers in future, but no tickets for this incident. I believe that in Virginia there is a new program where anyone can report anyone else, and you'll get a letter from the state about it, warning you to watch it in future, and that a record is being kept about the report, but I don't know for sure how it all works. I expect that a history of these things on your record will mostly have an effect on the likelihood of warning vs. real tickets and how likely a judge is to let you "plea bargain", but not much more. If the truck really did swerve to prevent passing as the bikes were in mid-pass that might count as vehicular assault of some sort (reckless endangerment? Attempted murder? :-). If that counts as a felony then the bikers could have done a citizen's arrest and held the driver for the police I suspect (at the risk of a "false arrest" counter-charge). Even if it's only a misdemeanor where that's not allowed, a complaint could be filed. I don't believe that an officer has to witness such a thing for charges to be filed...but the bikers would have to "press charges", and I suspect the state's lawyers would have to agree that there's some hope of a conviction based on available evidence...in this case probably not. Sounds like even if the bikers hung around, and the cops showed up, the police would have left it at something like "don't pass like that and keep the speed down at or below the limit" (to the bikers) and "Signal in future, and yield to oncoming traffic" (to the truck driver), and "If you don't, I won't be going easy on anyone. Drive safely." (to both). Cop would probably send one or the other party (probably the bikers) off while holding the other for a couple more questions...just to make sure they weren't on the same bit of road again any time soon. Love to hear what any practicing traffic lawyers have to say about this. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 14:46:19 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:45:57 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: New biker At 02:07 PM 11/8/04 -0500, Anne S wrote: >Hi everyone, I just got my M license about a month ago and am itching to >get a bike (since I'll probably forget everything I learned in class if I >don't soon!). Sounds like a plan! A bike that fits your physical and experience limits is a wise choice. Make sure you get some decent gear if you are going to be riding in the cold though...chill does more than feel bad, it can also screw with your thinking ability enough to be dangerous. Stay warm! >A friend is selling an old Honda, a 1982 CM 450 - I havent' >had a chance to go out and look at it, but I'm truly clueless about how to >choose a bike (other than price). Got to figure in more than just purchase price in calculating "price". Obvious or likely repairs and maintenance enter into it...and it sounds like you aren't competent to judge that. I'd either take the bike to a good mechanic, or have a friend with some wrenching experience look it over and give you some idea what you are looking at in terms of immediate maintenance/repairs as well as things likely to need attention "soon". A bike that old could be in pretty rough shape, or it could have been lovingly restored/maintained. Obviously the later will cost more than the former up front, but perhaps not in the long run. ;-) If you are going to ride mostly on back roads (good choice! That's where I like to ride too...less traffic, better scenery!) you'll want something reliable. Almost any bike made in the last 30 years or so should be reliable if it's properly maintained and repaired as needed (by someone who knows what they are doing). >For now I just want to do practicing on >country roads so I"m thinking of something on the small side. Any >recommendations? Not from me, but for those with some, telling them what sort of style you are into might help (Cruiser? Sport bike? Dual-sport?), as well as some idea of how big you are (if you are 5' tall, some bikes won't work for you...ditto if you are 6'6" like me). Take it easy for a while (something I hope they told you in your training). If you ride with others, don't let them push you beyond your personal limits...ride your own ride at all times. What someone with a few years riding experience thinks of as a nice easy ride can be a death-defying race made up of one narrow escape after another to a new rider. The idea is to enjoy it, not merely survive it. ;-) Have fun! -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 14:54:24 2004 Subject: Smart Tag on a bike Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:54:20 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: Hey all, I've just received the word that I'll be doing my commute out to WV again for a while. That means that I'm in need of a Smart tag and would like to gain a bit of wisdom from those that already use them. Basically, I'll be using two motorcycles and sometimes a truck to drive out there and back. Do I need multiple smart tags? On the bike, does the thing have to be mounted? Visible? Do I have to push a button or anything or does it just detect me as I drive past? Is it waterproof? Anything else I should know? TIA. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 14:59:04 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:59:00 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike Yes, at least two. They give you one type for a bike and another for a car. I have mine in my tank bag and it works ok (in the map pocket). At 02:54 PM 11/8/2004, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >Basically, I'll be using two motorcycles and sometimes a truck to drive >out there and back. Do I need multiple smart tags? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Death is certain. Life is not. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 15:06:24 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Pbfwu6VsboK3li6NwjzgnN+ykPGc2iATXnNQufmGSteMHce9Uz55CsY5sYMio10IvCzXkxj0qlnRxuCv/t5CAHE1ND6lqo2/uSenk52vo9jgh8dIakUTYw1WKSjmXhschu8IXO8sIOtyUWzNAX1vaRCUl53t11aDZhjoXOGf0LM= Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:05:56 -0500 From: Thomas Jordan To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Need some wrenching advise. Even if you do break the extraction tool, a good machine shop can make 'everything better.' Our auto shop uses Allied Machine in Falls Church (behind Don Byer Volvo) whenever we have the situation of a broken EZ-out in an exhaust manifold bolt in a head, or similar circumstance. A few dollars and 15 minutes later, we're good to go. Give them a call, or just drop by. We've been using them for many years with no issues. On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 08:15:36 -0500, Jon Strang wrote: > As long as you > don't break off the screw extractor (aka EZ-out), they can easily drill it > out. > > --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 15:07:15 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: jkalmes@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Smart Tag on a bike Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:06:09 -0500 I've used it on all my two-wheeled commutes to either Ashburn or Reston and here is what I've found: You do not need a second one just for the bike. Bikes and cars are considered the same class of vehicles in their eyes. Just remember to move it from one to the other! Been there, forgot that a couple of times...D'oh! The best place I've found to mount mine is either behind the windscreen, or on a GPS type of mount, like a Ram Mount, with it aimed at the angle it would be if inside your car. The 3M strips they provide work quite well, and you can always as for more of them if you want to get creative. However, I've found that the sensors don't pick it up as well on my bike, so I need to go slower through the toll plazas if I want it to register. Where there are gates, this is really important for obvious reasons. At the main plaze where there is not gate, well, I could care less if it registers or not, for I don't want to be creamed by the idiot, cell phone talking cager behind me. YMMV. As for being waterproof, I have no idea. Not much water hits that area on my bike while riding and I remove it when it's parked at work. I would say it's water resistant, at best. Other things to be careful of, the lanes at the toll plazas are very slippery when wet because of all the oil from the cars/trucks. And of course, watch out for the cagers realizing at the last moment that they're in the wrong lane. Hope this helps. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: Subject: Smart Tag on a bike Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:54:20 -0500 Hey all, I've just received the word that I'll be doing my commute out to WV again for a while. That means that I'm in need of a Smart tag and would like to gain a bit of wisdom from those that already use them. Basically, I'll be using two motorcycles and sometimes a truck to drive out there and back. Do I need multiple smart tags? On the bike, does the thing have to be mounted? Visible? Do I have to push a button or anything or does it just detect me as I drive past? Is it waterproof? Anything else I should know? TIA. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 15:15:14 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:14:05 -0500 They have one for a bike? When I got mine 5 yrs ago, they said they didn't make one for a bike and said the regular one wasn't recommend for bikes. I'm turning mine in, based on the rumor of a monthly charge coming up. I also rarely find myself on the tollroad anymore. Does this bike one recognize tolls where there is a difference for bikes, such as in Chesapeake, VA headed towards OBX? Does EZPass/MTag make one for a bike? You can use just one, you're supposed to give all the different vehicles' info to them though. I shove mine up under the windscreen. If you have a flatter screen, you can mount the velcro to it, they'll send you extra sets of velcro at no charge. >From: Troutman >To: >Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike >Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:59:00 -0500 > >Yes, at least two. They give you one type for a bike and another for a >car. I have mine in my tank bag and it works ok (in the map pocket). > >At 02:54 PM 11/8/2004, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >>Basically, I'll be using two motorcycles and sometimes a truck to drive >>out there and back. Do I need multiple smart tags? > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > >Death is certain. Life is not. > _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 15:15:42 2004 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:15:32 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike I've used Smart-Tag/E-ZPass on both bikes, with no trouble. Sometimes I get "toll not paid" at the main plaza, but someone posted that VDOT has been fiddling with the sensor loops to correct that. In the meantime, I call that it "two-wheeled discount." I did have a blue-lights-in-the-mirrors roadside chat with one of Va's finest about that, but I have a valid pass, properly mounted. It's not my fault that their equipment doesn't always work. Theoretically you're supposed to phone those in and have the missed tolls deducted manually. According to a mailing I got from VDOT, it looks like Virginia will soon be implementing a $1 monthly fee to cover E-ZPass "transition costs." (Funny, that was missing from last spring's press release.) In that case, I will be returning the Smart-Tag and getting an additional E-ZPass transponder from Maryland, where there is, as yet, no monthly fee. AFAIK, VA has not separate MC transponder, since it's all the same rate. On request, Maryland will send you a little thingo for mounting the tag on your bars, but I've never bothered with that. It works well on the bike windshield. -----Original Message----- From: Troutman Yes, at least two. They give you one type for a bike and another for a car. I have mine in my tank bag and it works ok (in the map pocket). At 02:54 PM 11/8/2004, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >Basically, I'll be using two motorcycles and sometimes a truck to drive >out there and back. Do I need multiple smart tags? Death is certain. Life is not. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 15:36:25 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=IWxCHk/CftyVyxhcAGFBLsja8byZSDWViGIynhzgNu8nBrIkpm9ic0NgssBWn/enfh7WUHtQPGeB756Xf0YlKVfK1Z0zVfDy3+FCY86nmH39ZiLZUsjm9HN0s1xjwW9hFzKYGe3qBBIXocqbceIkWvC8biwmrVOP1n+jnmqfhR8= Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:36:19 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike Cc: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have my EZ-Pass mounted behind my opaque windscreen, and it works at both VA (former Smarttag) and EZ-Pass locations. It's worth noting that certain jurisdictions charge for the privilege of having an EZ-Pass account (NJ comes to mind), but others do not. (I think mine is from Maryland, and fee-free.) On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:15:32 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Paul Wilson wrote: > I've used Smart-Tag/E-ZPass on both bikes, with no trouble. Sometimes I get "toll not paid" at the main plaza, but someone posted that VDOT has been fiddling with the sensor loops to correct that. In the meantime, I call that it "two-wheeled discount." I did have a blue-lights-in-the-mirrors roadside chat with one of Va's finest about that, but I have a valid pass, properly mounted. It's not my fault that their equipment doesn't always work. Theoretically you're supposed to phone those in and have the missed tolls deducted manually. > > According to a mailing I got from VDOT, it looks like Virginia will soon be implementing a $1 monthly fee to cover E-ZPass "transition costs." (Funny, that was missing from last spring's press release.) In that case, I will be returning the Smart-Tag and getting an additional E-ZPass transponder from Maryland, where there is, as yet, no monthly fee. > > AFAIK, VA has not separate MC transponder, since it's all the same rate. On request, Maryland will send you a little thingo for mounting the tag on your bars, but I've never bothered with that. It works well on the bike windshield. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman > > Yes, at least two. They give you one type for a bike and another for a > car. I have mine in my tank bag and it works ok (in the map pocket). > > At 02:54 PM 11/8/2004, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > >Basically, I'll be using two motorcycles and sometimes a truck to drive > >out there and back. Do I need multiple smart tags? > > Death is certain. Life is not. > > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 15:40:03 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:39:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike At 03:15 PM 11/8/2004, Paul Wilson wrote: >AFAIK, VA has not separate MC transponder, since it's all the same >rate. On request, Maryland will send you a little thingo for mounting the >tag on your bars, but I've never bothered with that. It works well on the >bike windshield. Mine just came in last week. They called me to tell me that they have one specifically for the bike, and that I would have to have two (one for cars, one for bikes). The only visible difference is a 'motorcycle' sticker on the back of it. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 15:40:11 2004 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:40:06 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Situation The legal repercussions - others have addressed this. However, I'd advise against provoking cager idiots with aggressive passing, esp. if they've already demonstrated little regard for other motorists by carelessly pulling out into oncoming traffic. Keep the red mist in check and let these idiots get on down the road. Don't pick fights with people who outweigh you, even if you've been wronged. Besides, it sounds like only biker #1 had cause (avoiding a crash) to pass on the double-yeller. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton Three bikers on a nice Sunday jaunt....The lead rider is a quarter mile ahead.....Truck pulls out on a one lane blacktop. Lead biker decides not to stop and crosses double yellow and continues on to diner half mile up the street. Biker 2 and Biker 3 catch up to truck and decide to pass ( double yellow). Truck swerves into opposite lane to prevent. Bikers 2 and 3 pass and zip off. Truck follows bikers and pulls into diner. Confrontation ensues. ..... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 15:47:29 2004 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:47:17 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Wilson To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike Must be a new thing. When I first got my Smart-Tag, I enquired about a special bike tag, and was rewarded for my pains with stunned silence on the phone line. Some E-ZPass facilities (like the Holland Tunnel) do have bike rates, so it must be part of the EZ-Pass transition. -----Original Message----- From: Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike At 03:15 PM 11/8/2004, Paul Wilson wrote: >AFAIK, VA has not separate MC transponder, since it's all the same >rate. On request, Maryland will send you a little thingo for mounting the >tag on your bars, but I've never bothered with that. It works well on the >bike windshield. Mine just came in last week. They called me to tell me that they have one specifically for the bike, and that I would have to have two (one for cars, one for bikes). The only visible difference is a 'motorcycle' sticker on the back of it. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 16:10:06 2004 From: Rich Westbrook Subject: Re: VFR R/R Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:09:57 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thanks for everyone's advice on my electrical gremlins. This weekend I tried a few tests and I think its just a bad battery. I took the battery out of the bike and put it on a trickle charger while I went down the street to Radio shack to buy a volt meter. When I got back a few minutes later,I tested the battery and it was reading just under 12 volts. I put it back in the bike and it started up fine. I did a couple tests that I found on Electrex USA's website. Everything checked out ok so I think its the battery. After starting the bike 5-6 times the battery died again. The battery is only a couple years old but I do a lot of rush hour driving which I'm sure puts a drain on it. So hopefully I have a few more miles before the RR curse strikes. Thanks Rich On Nov 5, 2004, at 12:32 PM, Paul Wilson wrote: > My first one made it 38k miles before giving up. The second is at 72k > and counting, finger crossed. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Keiser > > LOL, I should be good for another 20,000 or so, but I'll be glad to > host! > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > ______________ > > Rich, > > My '99 VFR's R/R died last weekend---@ ~27,600 miles. Same > circumstances as yours only I was 20+ miles from home. > > Perhaps the VFR DCCycles listers want to have a R/R garage day? ;~) > Herb > > > > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 16:13:10 2004 From: "Anne S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New biker Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:12:04 -0500 Thanks for all the good advice :) Ref style of bike -- I'm not interested in a sports bike, just a regular road bike. In class (I took the class at Carroll County Comm. College) we used Nighthawks, which felt just about right to me. I did drop it once and took a small chunk out of my shin so definitely nothing heavier than that. Ref height - I'm 5'10" so don't need anything super low to the ground. One person mentioned a parking lot in Germantown - I live in Boyds, so would love to know where that parking lot is (given that the figure 8's really got me in the test). Am getting $1500 back from the IRS (yes, a late filer) soon so that is effectively my working budget, and if I need to save up more then I'll have to wait. looks like insurance is pretty cheap - I guess they figure if you get in an accident you're toast. :(( Anne _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 16:18:25 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:18:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: VFR R/R At 04:09 PM 11/8/2004, Rich Westbrook wrote: >I did a couple tests that I found on Electrex USA's website. Everything >checked out ok so I think its the battery. After starting the bike 5-6 >times the battery died again. The battery is only a couple years old but I >do a lot of rush hour driving which I'm sure puts a drain on it. Your situation sounds exactly like mine, the first time my RR died. I bought a new battery at this point, gave it a good charge, and everything was fine for a few months. Then the problem started up again. Replaced the RR and it has been fine since then. My caution to you is that I have *heard* I was lucky I didn't fry the second battery or the stator. If you have mid 20k mileage, go ahead and replace the RR and battery. At $100 and little labor, it will probably be worth it. I don't know how well the latest batch of Electrex replacement RRs are doing, but a couple of years ago your money was still better spent on the Honda OEM RR. YMMV, etc, etc. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 16:24:57 2004 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rich Westbrook Subject: FS: RAM mount for iPod Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:24:47 -0500 I am selling a RAM mount system that holds an apple iPod. Included parts are: 1. iPod cradle ( fits 1st and 3rd generation for sure, possibly others) 2. Cradle ball adapter 3. 3in arm 4. 11mm mounting hole, with ball 5. 19mm expansion plug kit install grab11 on steering spindle I am selling the whole set-up for $50. Disclaimer: I am selling this because it does not work well on my bike - 1995 Honda VFR. In the city it is great but at highway speeds for a sustained amount of time the vibration from the bike is too much for the ipod buffer to keep up.)B  I got this idea from another guy on the vfr mail list, so it could have a lot to do with many factors specific to my bike (suspension, tires etc). On other bikes with other set-ups, it may work fine. email me if you are interested. I can also send pictures Thanks Rich Westbrook )B  From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 16:44:41 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ag3XsU3TKDToJ/tBqG1eoWroroaevvhZyPyCrHbr9SMjgdEUWSEdNku3/18+wOLCRQUxyIDiI7+jl1o7b3DPmmUm/V2MaYhuRz1g5kpE0vRZNb6ou7zt+hLeEF/kCZ2f2fLETQcPA7H3rqg0oQXGxHNG+NQ9ii+qkvTA49/aJnM= Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:44:26 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: Anne S Subject: Re: New biker Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > looks like insurance is pretty cheap - I guess they figure if you > get in an accident you're toast. :(( They're just looking at the amount of damage that you can do to the other person - bikes don't do much ;-) Welcome aboard - good comment above on riding gear - it's your second line of defense. Plus (also as noted above) if you're comfortable, you will be better able to focus on your riding instead of your discomfort. Not too many bikes in the 250cc Nighthawk range. There's the Kawasaki Ninja 250 which seems to be able to do incredible things, and a few DP (Dual Purpose) bikes that will also be well suited to exploring the unpaved parts of our area, should you be so inclined - they also tend to handle potholes better. A bit above your stated price range is the Suzuki SV650 - a bike that does almost everything well and will not be outgrown. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 16:49:14 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=luROK0FpseTv03RXlI8DB2jM74YuvGtjCN6YxAKRuCz1YpfUWbjLWXDl4yWZKsxyISdGTcZSmgw/HWlSe9hDg5Pnphk8CMH2/RqkU1Lmu2tHoo3HwDcaQx9Rj5atQcqp+w3PMDY32uzjFFmyai17CmlPk8VrsMKruTR9AOZ27c0= ; Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:48:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike To: DC-Cycles > They have one for a bike? When I got mine 5 yrs ago, they said they > didn't make one for a bike and said the regular one wasn't recommend > for bikes. I have EZ Pass for my bike, issued by NJ. A few of the bridges from NJ to NY have discount rates for the bike. The only difference in the tags is how they are programmed in the computer. They told me I could not switch bike to car or vice versa, as that would mess up the computer and I'd get a letter or something. (I'm shaking) Back when I would ride up to visit my gf (now wife) it would come in handy. Now it's not such a big deal. If MD is still free, I may switch, as NJ charges $1 a month for the pass. The EZPass is great on the Concours. Fits perfectly on the bottom of the "glove box" in the fairing, and the reader can read through it, so the EZPass itself stays locked and dry. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 16:54:50 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:55:08 -0500 To: "Anne S" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: New biker At 04:12 PM 11/8/04 -0500, Anne S wrote: >used Nighthawks, which felt just about right to me. I did drop it once and >took a small chunk out of my shin so definitely nothing heavier than that. Does this mean you are concerned with being able to pick the bike back up? If so, there are techniques that will let people smaller than you say you are pick up bikes much larger than that. I have a DVD that shows a woman about 5'4" picking up a Honda Gold Wing for instance. For slow speed stuff you can avoid most drops by staying away from the front brake... >Ref height - I'm 5'10" so don't need anything super low to the ground. No, you should be good with most bikes...though some of the smaller sport bikes might be a bit cramped. Depends a bit on inseam length more than total height...at least for the foot control locations. Arm length can matter too, but some bikes have a variety of bars available to adjust for that. I'm 5'18", and most bikes are just too small for me. Even my Harley had to get modified to be comfortable (moved the foot controls forward a couple of inches). You are a lot closer to average height for a guy, which seems to be what most bikes are designed to accommodate so you should be good with most of them. >One person mentioned a parking lot in Germantown - I live in Boyds, so would >love to know where that parking lot is (given that the figure 8's really got >me in the test). Boyds is a nice area. I ride up that way a lot...and out around Comus too. If you want to do some parking lot practice I'd be happy to join you when you get your bike. Some tennis balls cut in half make decent "cones", and almost any school parking lot on a weekend seems to work for a place. The local HOG group did that about a month ago and it was a great learning experience. We used the side lot at Wooten H.S.. I'd just watched that DVD the night before, so I got a chance to put it into practice right away...and it worked like a champ too. I was doing the figure eights at half-size before we quit them to move on to a different exercise. The parking space markers are a decent way to lay things out without having to measure with a tape so you can change from one pattern to another quickly. The MSF patterns are set up with a 10' spacing in most cases, and parking spaces are about 8' across...the missing 2' just makes it more fun! ;-) >Am getting $1500 back from the IRS (yes, a late filer) soon so that is >effectively my working budget, and if I need to save up more then I'll have >to wait. looks like insurance is pretty cheap - I guess they figure if you >get in an accident you're toast. :(( $1500 can probably get you a bike of the vintage you mentioned if you look around. The trick will be getting one that won't require a lot of work to make it safe and rideable (pretty is optional). If you know someone who can do the work with/for you, and if no major parts are required (like an engine ;-), the cost for that shouldn't be too bad. I'd expect Honda parts to be available, but you might want to check around before you buy a given bike just to be sure that the ones you might need will be. You don't want to get a bike, have it need work to make it rideable, and either not be able to afford it or find that the required parts aren't available. Checking carefully first should let you avoid that. Is there a Honda owner's group or mailing list available? If so, checking with them might be a good idea. They may know sources for parts and service, or even have members with bikes to sell or help to offer. Type-specific groups are usually very helpful in lots of ways. They are often the best source for info on what usually goes bad first on older bikes...and what to do about it. You get some of that here, but a lot of the folks here are also on lists specific to their kind of bike too. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 19:14:55 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=rhRHfnRWzwM7gmw6ZJ8mLImbcbmHBuLx1h2MMJaFEMztt79qvJs6zDDr/DvT7wVctOcT2UK7ZmDQ2Blmb9vQtbLDgvJtrwL0GnGHM305rurnz4vSRvusDgL/jeCMKbIdnyO1+dxQ5IczTvwMoPUNqiLTFtZNQdbaOY4W6VtdwtU= ; Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:14:40 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Smart Tag on a bike To: dc-cycles --- Rob Keiser wrote: > You do not need a second one just for the bike. Bikes and cars are > considered the same class of vehicles in their eyes. Just remember to move > it from one to the other! Been there, forgot that a couple of times...D'oh! But there's no reason to not get two or three -- they don't cost you anything extra for three or less. > As for being waterproof, I have no idea. Not much water hits that area on > my bike while riding and I remove it when it's parked at work. I would say > it's water resistant, at best. There are two types: one is a 4" square, designed for tape strip mounting inside the windshield; the other is on a metal bracket, designed to be mounted with the top two license plate mounting screws. The former looks watertights, but who knows for sure? The latter is definitely waterproof, and the bracket can be easily hacksawed off. You can buy your tags from any EZ-Pass consortium member you like, regardless of where you live. It pays (literally) to get your tags from a state authority like New Jersey that doesn't charge a monthly fee. MD, for example, does charge a $1 / month fee, whether the tag is used or not. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 19:20:13 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=waCbao+OHkoAK6LJe2PTCN4l6/G0WQVn4JEwnU57w8Zx/tEF0WrFQatyQdHJEFlAPmPzZJgu3albK2v+edjICId4Xpm77uh+HOWr7rqi2slMTaXzYwnl0EKwMNr0shhPKzgtGhN8d5vZenENssp15YVPCaNq4q+q0zOHeAyiflk= ; Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:19:51 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Smart Tag on a bike To: dc-cycles --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > > ...New Jersey that doesn't charge a monthly fee. MD, for example, does charge a >$1/ month fee, whether the tag is used or not. Oops, sorry, bass-ackwards. Hope I sent the right ones back... 8;) -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 19:32:46 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=t1+eerVd3cyMDIhViEkHfCJ8tJNo8gqk22q7Z+bJIA1vP/dJkX1H5HtOJ8H0LHWSDKeMkNZTa6rR9LtYydyCkMhX7NqozzUwjFrfEhIiyL9ZK7Cr/IJqxHNVbW24P/lc+rK2wpwU478f1KlRQN0ViYwNlnNgOYSoLeN6ORhdSDI= ; Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:31:55 -0800 (PST) From: Joseph Dress Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX For my bike (cruiser), I got the type that you supposed to mount on the license plate. I place it in my tool bag which is mounted on my front forks. Never had a problem! Apparently, depending on which tag you have, the angle is very important. The 4" square has to be at a 45 degree angle and the license mount has to be 90 degrees. So, whichever one you get, make sure you have it angled properly. (If they start charging, I'll find other options! Glad to here Maryland doesn't charge.) Joseph --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > Hey all, > > I've just received the word that I'll be doing my > commute out to WV > again for a while. That means that I'm in need of a > Smart tag and would > like to gain a bit of wisdom from those that already > use them. > > Basically, I'll be using two motorcycles and > sometimes a truck to drive > out there and back. Do I need multiple smart tags? > > > On the bike, does the thing have to be mounted? > Visible? Do I have to > push a button or anything or does it just detect me > as I drive past? > > Is it waterproof? > > Anything else I should know? > > TIA. > > --smthng > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 20:01:18 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: New biker Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:01:20 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79cc1faface5a6d1a8441954786daee580350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Ref style of bike -- I'm not interested in a sports bike, just a regular road bike. In class (I took the class at Carroll County Comm. College) we used Nighthawks, which felt just about right to me. I did drop it once and took a small chunk out of my shin so definitely nothing heavier than that. Ref height - I'm 5'10" so don't need anything super low to the ground. [Dave] Fit of the bike won't be a problem then. The Nighthawk is a very good choice... My 1st bike was a v45 Magna, for $550. I wish I hadn't sold it, but it wasn't getting much road time... One person mentioned a parking lot in Germantown - I live in Boyds, so would love to know where that parking lot is (given that the figure 8's really got me in the test). Am getting $1500 back from the IRS (yes, a late filer) soon so that is effectively my working budget, and if I need to save up more then I'll have to wait. looks like insurance is pretty cheap - I guess they figure if you get in an accident you're toast. :(( [Dave] Check out cycle trader / www.traderonline.com Check the various brands for your price range... Leave enough left over for RIDING GEAR. An Aerostich works well, and they aren't hatefully expensive. Good gloves, a good lid and some boots also. Shop for insurance too, just because you have a good deal on your cages, doesn't mean they'll cut you slack on your insurance... HTH Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 21:59:38 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:02:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Dealer charge to replace fork seals? To: Daniel Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Fwiw, I charge (typically) $60 for one, $100 for two (plus parts if I provide them). Make sure fork tube is not damaged wherever it's in contact with the seal; otherwise a new seal won't help for long. --garcia Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news. Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections. http://www.blackboxvoting.org / Daniel writes: >I seem to recall independant motorcycle shops charging about 60 per >side... I guess you can expect the dealer to charge more and thus i'm >not very helpful > >I remember there being in the archive somewhere a post with leon >explaining how to do it yourself... which I need to dig up because i >have a few I need to do. > >- Danny > >On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:49:21 -0500, "Gary Foreman" >wrote: > >>Anyone know what the going rate is to change fork seals? Either with >forks >>on or off the bike? >> >>This just for reference for a friend. >> >>Gary Foreman >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 22:00:09 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:05:29 -0500 Subject: what is sv650 valve shim diameter? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Hi, anyone know what diameter valve shims sv650 uses? Or where to find out? Two dealerships wouldn)B’t say. Thanx. --garcia "People believe in the merits of selective breeding for every species---except their own." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 22:05:41 2004 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:10:59 -0500 Subject: advice wanted re bent frame To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Hi. Turns out the steering head (but not the fork tubes) on my hit-and-run 93 nighthawk 750 was slightly bent. Anyone have info, experience, or, of course, opinions on straightening it? Or a parts bike with a good frame? Thanx. --garcia )B“Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.)B” — Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nurnberg Trials after World War II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 22:36:31 2004 From: Daniel To: Troutman Cc: Subject: Re: Situation Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:36:09 -0500 Don't valve stems yank out rather easily? There are a lot of idiot drivers out there lucky that there is no free look up of liscense plates online... On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:15:03 -0500, Troutman wrote: >At 01:50 PM 11/8/2004, Julian Halton wrote: >>What are possible repercussions of having a citizen call into local >>authorities with license plate numbers of bikers? > >Virtually none. They can't ticket you based on her observation. > >How did she get home with flat tires? Getting your valve stems cut is a bitch. > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > >Death is certain. Life is not. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 22:49:35 2004 From: Daniel To: "Anne S" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New biker Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:49:13 -0500 Congratulations! Make sure you buy some decent gear. ( I very highly recommend full faced helmets for new riders especially that and as much leather as possible) I have a 2002 honda rebel with salvage title that i'd sell for $1200. right now it needs an ignition lock, shift rod, turn signals and maybe a battery, and maybe a little 'tighting' or straighting of parts here and there. You may know someone who could do the work and be interested, so i'm mentioning it. Garcia Oliver, here on the list, works on bikes, so if you're interested, you may want to consult him. My thinking is, you could buy it, practice on it, and sell it for about what you put into it, and then buy something you really want after you get experienced, skilled and confident. If you're interested let me know.. .otherwise i'll probably fix everything and have it ready for sale in a month or two at a higher, but reasonable price.. - Danny On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:07:58 -0500, "Anne S" wrote: >Hi everyone, I just got my M license about a month ago and am itching to >get a bike (since I'll probably forget everything I learned in class if I >don't soon!). A friend is selling an old Honda, a 1982 CM 450 - I havent' >had a chance to go out and look at it, but I'm truly clueless about how to >choose a bike (other than price). For now I just want to do practicing on >country roads so I"m thinking of something on the small side. Any >recommendations? > >Anne > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! >hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 23:01:05 2004 From: Daniel To: Mike Bartman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Situation Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:00:55 -0500 Re: citizens arrest could always block the vehicle in with the bikes... till the cops come.. if the driver hit the bike that would be some sort of crime, and their insurance probably owuld pay your bike off and you buy it back real cheap.. Reminds me of the time my bike stalled coming off a red light in dc.. I start back up.. idiot lady behind me is honking, so i slow down, put my left hand up in the air, palm up, as if asking "what?" and the dumb b***** bumps my rear wheel. I drop the bike, land on my feet and stand up. I tell the lady this is her fault and to give me her insurance information. She acts like it's my fault. She never asks if i'm okay or if my bike is okay, only is concerned about her bumper. She calls the police, or someone, but two very nice female police officers come. The police officers hear all sides, including witnesses who tell how the lady was honking and yelling before she hit me (LOL) and how she never asked if i was okay.. so the cops give her like 2 or 3 tickets.. her insurance company cuts me a check for 4 grand (after buyback) for a bike that i paid 2 grand for a couple of years earlier, and already had a previous total/buyback on. So I was pretty happy. Who says motorcycling is expensive? LOL it's a paying investment for me! - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 23:09:13 2004 From: Daniel To: "Anne S" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New biker Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:08:48 -0500 ouch a chunk out of your shin? sounds pretty painful ow.. You might like an SV650 by suzuki. I'll pass on a little wisdom.. good deals are like trains.. if you miss one, if you wait long enough, another one will come along... you can find bargains on beginner bikes for multiples of reasons.. owner wants a bigger bike, tags are dead, season is over, new baby in the family, etc etc.. If you stay on the list long enough, someone will probably post a good deal. I've seen a few... or check cycle trader.com. I rode the nighthawk in the class too, pretty comfortable little bikes. You might want to get one of those. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 23:10:42 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bike auction in WV? Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:10:25 -0500 I met a guy on an apprilla who said he got his bike from an auction in WV. Anyone know of the place was talking about? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 23:12:28 2004 From: Daniel To: "Dave Yates" Cc: Subject: Re: New biker Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:12:09 -0500 which reminds me, state farm usually has great rates on bikes... for instance I pay $365 per year for a 2002 suzuki gsxr 600. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 8 23:23:35 2004 From: Daniel To: Daniel Cc: Troutman , Subject: Re: Situation Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:22:58 -0500 I recall reading a post on a list.. where a drunk guy in a van was swerving.. and a rider was very angry at this. I believe he flagged the van to pull over.. started a fight.. and his bike got knocked over or hit or something... So I have to agree... avoid physical contact and violence unless you're defending yourself. Even in DC it's illegal to fight back to defend yourself. The cops come and lock up both parties. Really sucks for the inncoent guy who defends himself agaisnt a violent moron. As far as what i've come to know, the list legal advice is dead on acurate. Another thing to take note of.. if you have an accident, and the cop didn't witness it but writes you a ticket, for say running into some bushes.. it gets thrown out because there are no witnesses.. so cops don't witness the infraction, they can't testify against you as if they saw you, hence their tickets are worthless... keep that in mind if you have an accident and don't damage anyones property yet the cop gives you a ticket. Be sure to always be calm, controlled, attentive, respectful and presentable when talking with police officers. They tend to be helpful if you are, and they tend to treat you in according to how you act. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 05:49:45 2004 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Smart Tag on a bike Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:49:37 -0500 > But there's no reason to not get two or three -- they don't cost you > anything > extra for three or less. Except that for Smart Tag, they charge your credit card $35 per transponder. So, if you don't use Smart Tag all that much, yet you have 3 transponders, you're lending Smart Tag up to $105, as opposed to $35 for one that you move from vehicle to vehicle. I can see this as a concern for some people. Personally, I like the convenience of not having to worry about forgetting to take a transponder with me. > You can buy your tags from any EZ-Pass consortium member you like, > regardless of > where you live. It pays (literally) to get your tags from a state > authority like Looks like I'm going to have to get a few EZ-Passes from MD. Nice of Smart Tag to not let us know that they're going to charge us for this convenience. I would've been just as happy to leave it as Smart Tag without fee, and get another EZ-Pass transponder. It wouldn't surprise me that MD would start to charge the same fee. Does anyone know if other states like NY/MA charge? Wes Hsu '01 R1100SA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 06:20:27 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=rQGjI84/iiPANwfpwMVefsKsGUFLovZDNbuSerKSj5pFbwNyfeY2GkTSjqUAe3P+0mXeq6GDqiyGnWb9Y7zoFAdqQN2qC4Gvvptsddg7rQga1DRoXJq6TeLvvDQTS2+WV34B5hDYDXfoob7Hvplgd8TI7JHcRvns6r+Mjj38pnc= Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 06:20:21 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: Daniel Subject: Re: New biker Cc: Anne S , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > You might like an SV650 by suzuki. Other contenders, Suzuki GS500, Kawasaki EX500/500 Ninja. (same bike, different plastic). Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 07:09:21 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=0Ybe9BmiB42nagUQqc34aPhs1nwRkM+2WGAnKtnsDEdRgwcYS/R/iJMgX2OKxEn0wgHJoB+CzHF0b6BlljBa47BCSYvmRKMUw86m0miwkrM6jDYCNYPkZ3G5nwqvuYb5G2+5hRk0qaIZGAepX4N7UDE08lWpFVbMUyQTfR0bOP0= ; Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 04:09:17 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: New biker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Dave Yates wrote: > Shop for insurance too, just because you have a good > deal on your cages, > doesn't mean they'll cut you slack on your > insurance... > Ain't that the truth! Back before I bought the VFR, I had two cars with Allstate and my Magna with Universal Underwriters. All were fairly cheap. When I called Universal Underwriters to inquire about adding the VFR they wanted $1200 full coverage which I thought I was high. I called Allstate since they were giving me good prices on my cars. Their quote? To add the VFR would increase my policy another $6100 a year. Yep, I dropped em and went with Farmers Mutual for everything. Glenn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 09:19:33 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Anne S" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New biker Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:21:07 -0500 I have riden a CM450 about that time frame. It's super underpowered and it's probably got a lot of stuff ready to brake on it. Top that off the front and rear drum brakes and I would definetly get soemthing a bit newer. That bike is more of a MSF bike that you learn on but after about a month I am sure you will be seriously SICK of the sewing machine CM450. I would go with something thats gonna have some power (40-50 HP) so you outgrow it too fast. Rob On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:07:58 -0500, Anne S wrote > Hi everyone, I just got my M license about a month ago and am > itching to get a bike (since I'll probably forget everything I > learned in class if I don't soon!). A friend is selling an old > Honda, a 1982 CM 450 - I havent' had a chance to go out and look at > it, but I'm truly clueless about how to choose a bike (other than > price). For now I just want to do practicing on country roads so > I"m thinking of something on the small side. Any recommendations? > > Anne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's > FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 09:34:12 2004 From: "Jon Strang" To: "Anne S" , Subject: Re: New biker Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:34:09 -0500 There's a high signal to noise ratio on any mailing list, this is no exception. So take all advice, including mine, with a grain of salt. The quick and dirty answer is that if the Honda is in good shape, it is a perfect first bike. I wouldn't pay much more than $500 or so. Showroom-like, well maybe a bit more. Expect to outgrow it in a couple of years, which is fine. You will fall down; it's best to do it on a $500 bike you can sell for $500 to the next newbie to come along. Spent the $1000 leftover on a good helmet, jacket, gloves, pants, boots. Get someone familiar with m/c's to give the bike a look. A 20 year old bike can have simple age problems: rubber hoses & electric components age whether the bike is running or not. But if it has been kept up, it'll run forever. It *is* a Honda. And parts should be available, despite the age. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne S" To: Subject: Re: New biker > Thanks for all the good advice :) > > Ref style of bike -- I'm not interested in a sports bike, just a regular > road bike. In class (I took the class at Carroll County Comm. College) we > used Nighthawks, which felt just about right to me. I did drop it once > and took a small chunk out of my shin so definitely nothing heavier than > that. > > Ref height - I'm 5'10" so don't need anything super low to the ground. > > One person mentioned a parking lot in Germantown - I live in Boyds, so > would love to know where that parking lot is (given that the figure 8's > really got me in the test). > > Am getting $1500 back from the IRS (yes, a late filer) soon so that is > effectively my working budget, and if I need to save up more then I'll > have to wait. looks like insurance is pretty cheap - I guess they figure > if you get in an accident you're toast. :(( > > Anne > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 11:03:17 2004 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:01:58 -0500 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike Aaron Maurer wrote: > > I have my EZ-Pass mounted behind my opaque windscreen, and it works at > both VA (former Smarttag) and EZ-Pass locations. > > It's worth noting that certain jurisdictions charge for the privilege > of having an EZ-Pass account (NJ comes to mind), but others do not. > (I think mine is from Maryland, and fee-free.) > I think it's crap that they're charging, since the way that they arleady make money on them is by investing the $35/transponder and profiting from the interest. According to their webpage, there are over 495,000 active Smart Tags. At $35 each, that is $17,325,000. at 2% that's 346,500. hmmm. not as much as I thought it would be... nevermind. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 11:20:10 2004 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:20:02 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike At 11:01 AM 11/9/2004, Skip wrote: >I think it's crap that they're charging, since the way that they arleady >make money on them My paperwork didn't say anything about charging me. WHen they called, I asked and they said no. Interesting. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Death is certain. Life is not. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 11:40:04 2004 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:39:58 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson To: Troutman , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike -----Original Message----- From: Troutman At 11:01 AM 11/9/2004, Skip wrote: >I think it's crap that they're charging, since the way that they arleady >make money on them My paperwork didn't say anything about charging me. WHen they called, I asked and they said no. Interesting. ----- Perhaps it's the trial balloon that popped, but the following story in the Warshington Post says a monthly service charge is likely. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3665-2004Oct27.html There is one downside for Smart Tag users. Transportation officials said it is probable that a $1 monthly fee will be instituted in the next few months to cover the costs of joining the E-ZPass network, which counts 11 million users. State officials said it cost nearly $2.5 million to link to the system, plus a one-time fee of $250,000 to join the network and an annual fee of $70,000. Officials also said charging a fee would bring the system in line with other E-ZPass states, some of which charge as little as $3 a year and others $1 or $2 a month. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 11:41:30 2004 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:40:15 -0500 From: Skip To: sabmag , DC Cycles Subject: may need a cage So yesterday was an interesting day for me. I commute about 50 miles each way, and since I wore out the rear tire on the sabre, I've been using the cage, an 84 Honda CRX, as my commuter. Yesterday, while rolling along at 70, all of a sudden the engine just --dies--. no sputter, no lurch, no noise, no nothing. *spluh* dead. shit. I know what that is. while cutting across traffic, I try the starter, "whir-whir-whir-whir". shit. timing belt broke. so I call a friend, who comes and gives me a ride back to my house, I take the pickup that I, thank god, had fixed the day before, go get it inspected, rent a tow dolley, get the car, and get it to a friend's shop. he'll put a belt on it for $200, and that's worth it to me, so I don't have to roll around on the ground... (it's too cold, I don't have tools or anything other than a scissor jack anymore, etc.) here's the problem... Hondas are an "interference motor" where the piston can smack the valve if, say, the valves stop moving, and the pistons don't, like what happens when you're driving 70 mph and the timing belt breaks. it doesn't happen -everytime- but it does happen. if it happens that it happened this time, does anyone happen to have a decent commuter car for sale? I'm doing about 100 miles per day, so gas mileage is important, but reliability is more important. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 11:44:32 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Rob Keiser" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: jkalmes@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Smart Tag on a bike Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:46:09 -0500 I like it when a non smart tag person get in the smart tag lane and then trys to back up... I wedge my smart tag between the dash and windscreen on my VFR and it reads everytime. I share one tag between my truck and bike. I didn't register my bike with smart-tag so maybe I will get in trouble someday, but I only ride the bike on "casual" fridays if I get the chance. :( Regards, Rob On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:06:09 -0500, Rob Keiser wrote > Other things to be careful of, the lanes at the toll plazas are very > slippery when wet because of all the oil from the cars/trucks. And > of course, watch out for the cagers realizing at the last moment > that they're in the wrong lane. > > Hope this helps. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 11:48:14 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:47:02 -0500 I just went to Smart Tag's webpage and it still says that the service is free. They do charge either a security deposit or a prepay, but there is no mention of any other charge. The site appears to have been updated fairly recently, but I suppose they can always change their mind. https://smart-tag.com/faq.cfm#cost Perry _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 11:54:19 2004 Subject: Gas mileage\temps Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:54:17 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" So having gone from $5.79 for 3.5 gallons to about $7.81, I noticed that my gas mileagfe has gone up from about 140 to 170 per tank. Is temperature a factor or am I on crack? As best as I can tell my riding style remains the same. I hate splashing gas on my tank...happened today, leaned over, squinting because of the sunlight trying to avoid overflow. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 11:59:52 2004 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:59:40 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike To: DC Cycles >There is one downside for Smart Tag users. Transportation officials said it is probable that a $1 monthly fee will be instituted in the next few months to cover the costs of joining the E-ZPass network, which counts 11 million users. State officials said it cost nearly $2.5 million to link to the system, plus a one-time fee of $250,000 to join the network and an annual fee of $70,000. Officials also said charging a fee would bring the system in line with other E- ZPass states, some of which charge as little as $3 a year and others $1 or $2 a month. [Dave] I'm going to ask my Delegate and Senator to have this renamed in VA to "Easy-Tax", because that's exactly what it is. Easy Pass would be if they got rid of the damn toll booths in the first place. Nevertheless, I support not only a minimal fee, F.T.S. - I think it should be $10 / month.... more even. And jack those sissy tolls up to MANLY levels... WTF is twenty five or fifty cents? Change that to $2.50 and $5.00 respectively. My taxes are too damn high, and the more people pay on these pyramid schemes, the less taxes I have to pay! :-) We fought tooth and nail to defeat Guv. Warner's tax referendum, only to have him ram his tax appendage down our collective throats in payback. So use those toll roads! I need a new set of tires :-P Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 12:04:50 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=keAa2l2z2ICLQm4mOYJJc6+ZnKGRyZyW0CPMru3f1FM++VEXG4XWp1ArVcWYsuR5qnjbvN47cjWHfRsxcbqwsKaFNgMadVK0Zl4BEEV4j4AMH9KEyj/fmyZoW5vJ6885C1MBduusq9Eq9tHYZ/XZq9p6rRVUoyX8wMfDSuJURlE= Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:04:40 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: Skip Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike Cc: DC Cycles EZ-Pass makes a bulk of their money on the "float" from the EZ-Pass balances. When you sign up for an EZ-Pass, they charge your credit card something like $25, which goes to your EZ-Pass account as a $25 credit. When you use the EZ-Pass, the toll is deducted from the EZ-Pass account. When the account drops below a certain amount, EZ-pass charges your credit card another $25 to refill it. In the meantime, EZ-Pass has $25 of "real" US$ money from you (in exchange for $25 of EZ-Pass money) to invest, receive dividends on, etc. On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:01:58 -0500, Skip wrote: > > > Aaron Maurer wrote: > > > > I have my EZ-Pass mounted behind my opaque windscreen, and it works at > > both VA (former Smarttag) and EZ-Pass locations. > > > > It's worth noting that certain jurisdictions charge for the privilege > > of having an EZ-Pass account (NJ comes to mind), but others do not. > > (I think mine is from Maryland, and fee-free.) > > > > I think it's crap that they're charging, since the way that they arleady > make money on them is by investing the $35/transponder and profiting > from the interest. According to their webpage, there are over 495,000 > active Smart Tags. At $35 each, that is $17,325,000. at 2% that's > 346,500. hmmm. not as much as I thought it would be... > > nevermind. > > > --skip > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 12:04:55 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Julian Halton" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Gas mileage\temps Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:06:31 -0500 Short Answer: You're on crack. I know gas gets reformulated for the seasons and I think summer gas is formulated to be more envrionmentally friendly (I could be totally wrong about that but I remember reading an article about that), but thats a 20% improvement?!?! I can't imagine you would get 20% better gas milage from a new gas formula. Sure you didn't isntall a K&N filter or maybe the tornado :-p ? If anything a temp drop would hurt gas milage because it takes longer for your bike to heat up thus requiring more fuel, esp if you have FI. Rob On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:54:17 -0500, Julian Halton wrote > So having gone from $5.79 for 3.5 gallons to about $7.81, I noticed that > my gas mileagfe has gone up from about 140 to 170 per tank. Is > temperature a factor or am I on crack? As best as I can tell my > riding style remains the same. > > I hate splashing gas on my tank...happened today, leaned over, squinting > because of the sunlight trying to avoid overflow. -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 12:12:27 2004 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:11:58 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson To: Dave Yates , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates Officials also said charging a fee would bring the system in line with other E- ZPass states, some of which charge as little as $3 a year and others $1 or $2 a month. [Dave] I'm going to ask my Delegate and Senator to have this renamed in VA to "Easy-Tax", because that's exactly what it is. Easy Pass would be if they got rid of the damn toll booths in the first place. ..... The Post reporter was clearly being "spun" on the monthly fee issue. Not all E-ZPass jurisdictions have a fee, although the article leaves the reader with that impression. Maryland does not. Check the web sites for others. Vote with your dollars folks. If VDOT imposes a fee, drop your "Smart-Tags" in the mail with a cancellation notice and go shopping. Illinois, New Hampshire and Maine are joining E-ZPass. Should be plenty of places to go shopping for "free" transponders. You might try West Virginia as well. The WV Turnpike is an E-ZPass facility. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 12:14:07 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Perry Coleman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:15:45 -0500 I like this FAQ question. https://smart-tag.com/faq.cfm#12 I wonder how many people have hacked their smart tag to read as another persons tag. Since you don't get itemized bills you wouldn't really notices, unless you tracked it well enough yourself (when it rebills ect). In New York state there was rumors that EZ pass would track you time between exits and could tell if you were speeding and issue a ticket (ala speed camera). Never happened that I know off, but it all stemmed from issuing fines for going through the toll both to fast, which I know they do (in NY) :( Regards, Rob On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:47:02 -0500, Perry Coleman wrote > I just went to Smart Tag's webpage and it still says that the > service is free. They do charge either a security deposit or a > prepay, but there is no mention of any other charge. The site > appears to have been updated fairly recently, but I suppose they can > always change their mind. > > https://smart-tag.com/faq.cfm#cost > > Perry > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from > McAfee)B® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 12:24:23 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=2yVgubdnYxy2iL+oIt5zsmm3aqHNkES7jqkFA5NmyXqwIrqI9KiYJFHcDhDkoJWUsPlek7xh0V5oA/97WOh/exKKVzOpQPHxbC9I3ZVbzrqlmgNJiooGitnisr+yrAWxmOqL4pRFHRk+hKX8JUVg8V7sEtCigj2Z0WJSWRM47RI= ; Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:24:05 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Damn, you guys are making good sense today! To add to this, the idea behind the passes is not only to keep traffic flowing better but to also eliminate the need for so many toll attendents, therefore saving money. Yet they are going to penalize the people using these tags? WTF? Glenn --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates > > Officials also said > charging a fee would bring the system in line with > other E- > ZPass states, some of which charge as little as $3 a > year and > others $1 or $2 a month. > > [Dave] I'm going to ask my Delegate and Senator to > have this > renamed in VA to "Easy-Tax", because that's exactly > what it > is. Easy Pass would be if they got rid of the damn > toll > booths in the first place. > > ..... > > The Post reporter was clearly being "spun" on the > monthly fee issue. Not all E-ZPass jurisdictions > have a fee, although the article leaves the reader > with that impression. Maryland does not. Check the > web sites for others. Vote with your dollars folks. > If VDOT imposes a fee, drop your "Smart-Tags" in > the mail with a cancellation notice and go shopping. > > Illinois, New Hampshire and Maine are joining > E-ZPass. Should be plenty of places to go shopping > for "free" transponders. You might try West > Virginia as well. The WV Turnpike is an E-ZPass > facility. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 12:30:51 2004 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:30:44 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Gas mileage\temps Perhaps your riding style, or more precisely your riding conditions, *has* changed. More riding in the countryside, less stop'n'go idling and constantly on and off the gas in the city and 'burbs means my mileage improves, even if I'm frisky with throttle on the fun roads. But, you still may be on crack. ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton So having gone from $5.79 for 3.5 gallons to about $7.81, I noticed that my gas mileage has gone up from about 140 to 170 per tank. Is temperature a factor or am I on crack? As best as I can tell my riding style remains the same. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 12:36:48 2004 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:36:33 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Wilson To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike Like most bad ideas, apparently this originated in New Jersey. ;-) E-ZPass turned out not to be quite the cash cow they had anticipated, even with all the cash they retained, so they slapped on a service charge, hoping the majority of their pass holders were either too lazy or too unaware to make the switch. Anyway, it's time to give these bureaucrats a little edjumacation about how free markets operate. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart Damn, you guys are making good sense today! To add to this, the idea behind the passes is not only to keep traffic flowing better but to also eliminate the need for so many toll attendents, therefore saving money. Yet they are going to penalize the people using these tags? WTF? Glenn .... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 12:37:52 2004 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:37:45 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dysart wondered aloud: >Damn, you guys are making good sense today! To add to >this, the idea behind the passes is not only to keep >traffic flowing better but to also eliminate the need >for so many toll attendents, therefore saving money. >Yet they are going to penalize the people using these >tags? WTF? [Dave] It's simple Glenn... Soon those booth attendants will be a drag on society (unemployed), so it's better to save up with extra fees now... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 13:27:39 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=d9GiwdnNankAvO16zI0RMLgh3gADihqy2D7er4sHkjM4tIgykqP3+7dfoLJnpOFpXF0RdnbGbLVSYU9VD+Tsv0SIyfZoQPNzjNAdnplWzHYtdJzmeajczQrKZNmjyVOdNZ4g90rhWUsViPXi6PiJ7P1xOQ5wLHdKlbDQxUcYcE0= ; Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:27:34 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You don't have to tell me! I gave back the NJ ones (AKA the Delaware River Port Authority) when they imposed the $1 monthly fee. I then got the Maryland ones thanks to someone on the list. I've only kept the Virginia Smart-Tag because VA didn't have EZ-Pass. When I found out they were going EZ-Pass I was still going to drop the Smart-Tag since I only had one VA transponder. Glenn --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Like most bad ideas, apparently this originated in > New Jersey. ;-) E-ZPass turned out not to be quite > the cash cow they had anticipated, even with all the > cash they retained, so they slapped on a service > charge, hoping the majority of their pass holders > were either too lazy or too unaware to make the > switch. Anyway, it's time to give these bureaucrats > a little edjumacation about how free markets > operate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Dysart > > Damn, you guys are making good sense today! To add > to > this, the idea behind the passes is not only to keep > traffic flowing better but to also eliminate the > need > for so many toll attendents, therefore saving money. > > Yet they are going to penalize the people using > these > tags? WTF? > > Glenn > > .... > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 13:41:10 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:40:57 -0500 I said turned in my SmartTag. The main reason wasn't that I don't get out there that much anymore, but the possible fee and the fact that the fee stems from them having to play catch up for making a terrible decision not to team up from the get go. So my money will continue to go to MD. I did have both a SmartTag & EZ Pass. At one point I had 2 EZ Passes, that was when I commuted on the toll road daily and didn't want to be in/on a vehicle w/o one. If not for the fee, join MD, just to say F U to VA for not joining EZ Pass a while ago. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 13:54:34 2004 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:53:15 -0500 From: Skip To: Rob Sharp CC: Julian Halton , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Gas mileage\temps I disagree that colder temps will drop fuel mileage. warming up uses --very little-- fuel. you can idle your car for 8-10 hours on less than a 1/4 tank of gas, and that was with the fan running to keep the heat on. :~) in fact, the opposite is true. the colder air is denser and engines perform better. 20%? probably not. but they do perform better. I know that a plane that will climb to 10k feet in 20 minutes in the summer will do it in about 15 minutes in the winter, same load. wait. that's about 20%... nevermind. --skip Rob Sharp wrote: > > Short Answer: You're on crack. > > I know gas gets reformulated for the seasons and I think summer gas is > formulated to be more envrionmentally friendly (I could be totally wrong about > that but I remember reading an article about that), but thats a 20% > improvement?!?! I can't imagine you would get 20% better gas milage from a > new gas formula. Sure you didn't isntall a K&N filter or maybe the tornado > :-p ? If anything a temp drop would hurt gas milage because it takes longer > for your bike to heat up thus requiring more fuel, esp if you have FI. > > Rob > > On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:54:17 -0500, Julian Halton wrote > > So having gone from $5.79 for 3.5 gallons to about $7.81, I noticed that > > my gas mileagfe has gone up from about 140 to 170 per tank. Is > > temperature a factor or am I on crack? As best as I can tell my > > riding style remains the same. > > > > I hate splashing gas on my tank...happened today, leaned over, squinting > > because of the sunlight trying to avoid overflow. > > -- > Rob Sharp > rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 14:39:25 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Skip Cc: Julian Halton , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Gas mileage\temps Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:41:01 -0500 ok thats fine. Skip is making sense as well. *BUT* We are spliting hairs. On the one hand the cold temps require a *tiny* amount more of gas to get up to the operating temp. On the other hand the dense air may help engineer performance and gas mileage. So lets say that the cold temp doesn't make any difference and stick to Julian being on crack. I actually did a study in College statistic on fuel efficiency (about 3 years ago). Gas mileage is pretty much in step with vehicle weight and environmentally friendliness (less greenhouse gas means worse mileage). Rob On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:53:15 -0500, Skip wrote > I disagree that colder temps will drop fuel mileage. warming up uses > --very little-- fuel. you can idle your car for 8-10 hours on less than > a 1/4 tank of gas, and that was with the fan running to keep the heat > on. :~) > > in fact, the opposite is true. the colder air is denser and engines > perform better. 20%? probably not. but they do perform better. I know > that a plane that will climb to 10k feet in 20 minutes in the summer > will do it in about 15 minutes in the winter, same load. > > wait. > > that's about 20%... > > nevermind. > > --skip > > Rob Sharp wrote: > > > > Short Answer: You're on crack. > > > > I know gas gets reformulated for the seasons and I think summer gas is > > formulated to be more envrionmentally friendly (I could be totally wrong about > > that but I remember reading an article about that), but thats a 20% > > improvement?!?! I can't imagine you would get 20% better gas mileage from a > > new gas formula. Sure you didn't isntall a K&N filter or maybe the tornado > > :-p ? If anything a temp drop would hurt gas mileage because it takes longer > > for your bike to heat up thus requiring more fuel, esp if you have FI. > > > > Rob > > > > On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:54:17 -0500, Julian Halton wrote > > > So having gone from $5.79 for 3.5 gallons to about $7.81, I noticed that > > > my gas mileagfe has gone up from about 140 to 170 per tank. Is > > > temperature a factor or am I on crack? As best as I can tell my > > > riding style remains the same. > > > > > > I hate splashing gas on my tank...happened today, leaned over, squinting > > > because of the sunlight trying to avoid overflow. > > > > -- > > Rob Sharp > > rob@XXXXXX -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 14:46:57 2004 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:46:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson To: Skip , Rob Sharp Subject: Re: Gas mileage\temps Cc: Julian Halton , DC Cycles -----Original Message----- From: Skip I disagree that colder temps will drop fuel mileage. warming up uses --very little-- fuel. you can idle your car for 8-10 hours on less than a 1/4 tank of gas, and that was with the fan running to keep the heat on. :~) in fact, the opposite is true. the colder air is denser and engines perform better. .... ----------------- Seems to me it's the simple fact that lower ambient temps means it takes an engine longer to reach operating temperature, and it needs to run rich longer. I don't believe in "warming up" by idling by the way. Set the choke, blip the throttle a couple of times and go. On my carbureted bikes, let's say I have to leave the choke (enrichener) on for two minutes in the winter, versus 30 seconds in the summer, please explain to me how I'm using *less* fuel in the winter and will have better fuel economy. Couple that with (generally) shorter trips by bike in the winter and it's the making of crummy gas mileage. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 15:03:06 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=hvqGohOae2f95JBMIgEz/WzAfKr94taneoOZHwyZHcuWnEGdyJPdp6mrAPKnRVwCV+5npsWVR3fXFF5VwzyLdn2rE3Axr4P0HgJkz5LIrArP4cbz/SVXCVx0GRYuyeJwE7pzxcPEQsxqCLrdEhSZg3ayp6lYiwxQwD0xW3/KGo0= Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:02:57 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: rich hall Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX $1 per month. 22 workdays/month (average) x 2 trips/day = 44 trips = $.0227/trip I can stand that for the relief from aggravation that it provides. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 15:08:33 2004 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:08:42 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Gas mileage\temps At 11:54 AM 11/9/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: > >So having gone from $5.79 for 3.5 gallons to about $7.81, I noticed that >my gas mileagfe has gone up from about 140 to 170 per tank. Is >temperature a factor or am I on crack? As best as I can tell my riding >style remains the same. Temperature is a factor in a couple of ways. Colder air is denser...i.e. more O2 molecules in each CC of air. That's the sort of thing that nitrous injection and superchargers are for...so the net effect is that you can get a bit more power at a lower throttle opening. You may run a little leaner (or not), but you don't have to goose it as much to get the same performance. Colder also comes with winter, when the governments worry about smog more and so have the oil companies put additives into the gas that aren't there in the summer. These are usually things that add extra oxygen to the mix. Not sure exactly when they start this, but I wouldn't put it past them to be doing it now. It is also likely that gas changes density with lower temps too. I know jet fuel does...that's why they fuel airliners in pounds of fuel rather than gallons. Those are my guesses. Those with mechanical or chemical engineering degrees who want to tell me I got it wrong are welcome to do so, but please explain *why* if that is the case. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 15:37:41 2004 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:37:26 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Gas mileage\temps To: DC Cycles Julian halfheartedly admits: >>So having gone from $5.79 for 3.5 gallons to about $7.81, I >>noticed that my gas mileagfe has gone up from about 140 to >>170 per tank. Is temperature a factor or am I on crack? As >>best as I can tell my riding style remains the same. [Dave] We shall assume, without deciding, that Julian *IS* tight with Marion Barry, and, in fact, on crack... IIRC, there is a basic performance axiom which states that for every 10 degrees Farenheit you reduce the intake charge temperature, you reclaim 1 horsepower. Of course, your mileage will indeed vary if you don't adjust your tire pressure... and the temperature drop is significant enough... It is a certainty of life that there is no such thing as too much horsepower... That having been said, I don't think we should all go out and try and chill the intake charge to absolute zero... Wayne ? I'm not sure what the 1/4 mile traps correlation is, but on the dyno, I could see well more that the axiomatic 10 degree to 1 hp ratio... of course, the dynamometer is a man made tool, and therefore subject to some inherent human errors. Mr. Wilson pointed out that with lower overal ambient temps, the motorcycle will, in fact, stay in warmup longer. Not Moreso than a cage, since the moto engine is smaller. That's generally, I had a 302 Mustang that would take MILES to get up to operating temp ( with HEAT ) in cold weather... In long Julian, there are too many variables to accurately state whether or not you are getting better mileage - or crack - with the cold temps. You could've stuffed a little more gas in than last time, seen more highway miles, fewer backups, been more smooth, had fewer shifts, etc. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 15:58:25 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:57:02 -0500 $0 per month. 22 workdays/month (average) x 2 trips/day = 44 trips = $.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000/trip Why would you want to pay, when you don't have to? Like Paul said, NJ hoped some would be lazy, not care. I had both, pretty easy choice which one to ditch for me. I probably used the EZPass 6 times a yr. SmartTag about the same recently. If it wasn't for the pain of paying toll whiles riding I would've dumped the SmartTag a while back. I thought SmartTag was raising the main toll plaza to a dollar too? Did that already happen? Is that what the construction recently was for? >From: Michael Jordan >Reply-To: Michael Jordan >To: rich hall >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike >Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:02:57 -0500 > >$1 per month. > >22 workdays/month (average) >x 2 trips/day >= 44 trips >= $.0227/trip > >I can stand that for the relief from aggravation that it provides. > >Michael J. > _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 16:33:29 2004 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: VFR R/R Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:33:25 -0500 So with a new battery, your charging system tested fine (e.g. 14.5 volts at 4000 rpm or whatever)? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: Subject: Re: VFR R/R > At 04:09 PM 11/8/2004, Rich Westbrook wrote: >>I did a couple tests that I found on Electrex USA's website. Everything >>checked out ok so I think its the battery. After starting the bike 5-6 >>times the battery died again. The battery is only a couple years old but I >>do a lot of rush hour driving which I'm sure puts a drain on it. > > Your situation sounds exactly like mine, the first time my RR died. I > bought a new battery at this point, gave it a good charge, and everything > was fine for a few months. Then the problem started up again. Replaced > the RR and it has been fine since then. My caution to you is that I have > *heard* I was lucky I didn't fry the second battery or the stator. > > If you have mid 20k mileage, go ahead and replace the RR and battery. At > $100 and little labor, it will probably be worth it. I don't know how > well the latest batch of Electrex replacement RRs are doing, but a couple > of years ago your money was still better spent on the Honda OEM RR. YMMV, > etc, etc. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 18:10:19 2004 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: Smart Tag on a bike Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:10:15 -0500 This is the same argument when ATM machines first came out. It was thought to be a win-win situation. More convenient for the customer and saves on bank tellers, and presumably the cost of real estate, etc. And then they started slapping on fees left and right. And when that happened, I would only go to ATM machines that didn't charge. Same logic will be applied to this. I guess MD will be getting my money soon. ;) Wes Hsu > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 12:24 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike > > Damn, you guys are making good sense today! To add to > this, the idea behind the passes is not only to keep > traffic flowing better but to also eliminate the need > for so many toll attendents, therefore saving money. > Yet they are going to penalize the people using these > tags? WTF? > > Glenn > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Yates > > > > Officials also said > > charging a fee would bring the system in line with > > other E- > > ZPass states, some of which charge as little as $3 a > > year and > > others $1 or $2 a month. > > > > [Dave] I'm going to ask my Delegate and Senator to > > have this > > renamed in VA to "Easy-Tax", because that's exactly > > what it > > is. Easy Pass would be if they got rid of the damn > > toll > > booths in the first place. > > > > ..... > > > > The Post reporter was clearly being "spun" on the > > monthly fee issue. Not all E-ZPass jurisdictions > > have a fee, although the article leaves the reader > > with that impression. Maryland does not. Check the > > web sites for others. Vote with your dollars folks. > > If VDOT imposes a fee, drop your "Smart-Tags" in > > the mail with a cancellation notice and go shopping. > > > > Illinois, New Hampshire and Maine are joining > > E-ZPass. Should be plenty of places to go shopping > > for "free" transponders. You might try West > > Virginia as well. The WV Turnpike is an E-ZPass > > facility. > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 21:28:10 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:27:36 -0500 It's not pay or no smarttag. It's pay or not pay and still have smarttag. >From: "Rob Sharp" >To: Michael Jordan , rich hall > >Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike >Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:32:15 -0500 > >Agreed. > > >On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:02:57 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote > > $1 per month. > > > > 22 workdays/month (average) > > x 2 trips/day > > = 44 trips > > = $.0227/trip > > > > I can stand that for the relief from aggravation that it provides. > > > > Michael J. > > >-- >Rob Sharp >rob@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 22:33:06 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:34:44 -0500 X-Spam-Level: * Ok it's late and I read that like 4 times and I still don't get what you are trying to say :-p Rob On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:27:36 -0500, rich hall wrote > It's not pay or no smarttag. It's pay or not pay and still have smarttag. > > >From: "Rob Sharp" > >To: Michael Jordan , rich hall > > > >Subject: Re: Smart Tag on a bike > >Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:32:15 -0500 > > > >Agreed. > > > > > >On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:02:57 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote > > > $1 per month. > > > > > > 22 workdays/month (average) > > > x 2 trips/day > > > = 44 trips > > > = $.0227/trip > > > > > > I can stand that for the relief from aggravation that it provides. > > > > > > Michael J. > > > > > >-- > >Rob Sharp > >rob@XXXXXX > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 9 23:51:29 2004 Subject: '01 Yamaha FZ1 with extras, $5200 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:51:27 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: I recently got my FJR so I have to give up the fizzy. :( Basically, it's a 2001 FZ1 with 11,400 miles. Never been dropped, never been squished that I know of (I am the second owner). I bought the bike with 3000 miles on it and added the rest myself. The only reason I'm getting rid of her at all is because I have to pay for the FJR. She was a commuter bike for me, so most of the miles on her are highway miles. Regular maintenance done by yours truly and Nick at my local shop. She's had all her oil and filter changes and Nick has tuned her regularly. I'm looking for $5200. Here's the stuff she's got... Rear tire hugger and chainguard, Yamaha I believe, in matching paint. Bagster full tank cover (color matched). Cox Racing frame sliders (not used for racing, I add sliders to every bike in case it does get dropped - this one has never been down). Ivan's Jet kit, with Dyno charts if you want them (132 HP with current setup) Yoshimura RS-3 Race Titanium slip on pipe (will include stock pipe as well if you want it). Air Injection System removed, all ports capped using Ivan's kit. Polished rims. Givi rear rack (have original grab rails and can put those back on if you prefer). Air box is intact (not drilled). Has a RAM mount now, can be left or removed, your choice. Tires are BT020's. Front has lots of life left, rear has about 5000 miles or so if you ride it like I have been. No dents, no scratches. A clean bike that's been taken care of and runs great. I have no picture of her with all of the above stuff right now. I'll take some shortly and post a link as soon as I get some time. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 03:05:22 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:05:14 -0500 From: Skip To: sabmag , DC Cycles Subject: was "may need a cage" well, it turns out that it wasn't the timing belt that broke... it was the camshaft. apparently it's a "not uncommon occurance" on this engine. sigh. looks like I'm hyundai bound... --skip 2004 is **sucking ass** but this will pass... this, too, will pass. Skip wrote: > > So yesterday was an interesting day for me. > > I commute about 50 miles each way, and since I wore out the rear tire on > the sabre, I've been using the cage, an 84 Honda CRX, as my commuter. > Yesterday, while rolling along at 70, all of a sudden the engine just > --dies--. no sputter, no lurch, no noise, no nothing. *spluh* dead. > > shit. I know what that is. > > while cutting across traffic, I try the starter, "whir-whir-whir-whir". > > shit. timing belt broke. > > so I call a friend, who comes and gives me a ride back to my house, I > take the pickup that I, thank god, had fixed the day before, go get it > inspected, rent a tow dolley, get the car, and get it to a friend's > shop. he'll put a belt on it for $200, and that's worth it to me, so I > don't have to roll around on the ground... (it's too cold, I don't have > tools or anything other than a scissor jack anymore, etc.) > > here's the problem... Hondas are an "interference motor" where the > piston can smack the valve if, say, the valves stop moving, and the > pistons don't, like what happens when you're driving 70 mph and the > timing belt breaks. it doesn't happen -everytime- but it does happen. > > if it happens that it happened this time, does anyone happen to have a > decent commuter car for sale? I'm doing about 100 miles per day, so gas > mileage is important, but reliability is more important. > > --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 08:20:00 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=CB1TAKXPLST/5BE5cbz3+2VRUhMfqKz4jkdQDCSObOqwOZdLMI1zb9NaFh5KPCuF2vQFp9LROvKR9cjfyLQFxKXcruN9amtUypic/ZtgGaUbLNQ8f6zE199EwWu2Jc14bqS5NSprIBqqnX6wuQ0LPZDq9kPoxzp4zUjpRKa0yb0= ; Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:19:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: 2 Questions - Denim Vest, and Tix in Montgomery County To: DC-Cycles I've recently joined a motorcycle club with a patch that I'd like to wear. I'm not really a leather vest kind of guy, but I'd like to find a nice denim vest, preferably blue, but black could work as well. However, in my on-line searches, I haven't been able to find anything. I have seen people wearing them. Does anyone know where would be a good place to look for something like this? Off topic, my wife got her first performance award yesterday in Rockville. 17 over (25 mph zone). She said the tix is for $65 and some points, I haven't seen it yet. (the police officer said since it was a first offense, it wasn't as bad). I know in Fairfax, going to court is basically useless, as the judges rarely budge, but other places they can give you traffic schools and other things. Is Rockville/Montgomery County one of these places? Fortunately the police woman who pulled my wife over was in a good mood. My wife comes from NYC, and when she's upset, pulls a typical NY attitude. She told me that she told the police officer that people on the beltway are going 90 mph, so why are the bothering her, etc. Oy!! The officer just said "I know, and slow down" and left. Thanks for any comments on either of the above. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 08:42:09 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:42:11 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: David Blumgart Subject: MC Parking at New Carrolton Metro? Does anyone happen to know if there is dedicated motorcycle parking at the New Carrolton Metro station and if so, which side (it's one of those stations with two separate entrances and parking lots) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 10:16:11 2004 From: "Aaron Ward" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Irony Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:15:35 -0500 From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Gas mileage\temps >Those are my guesses. Those with mechanical or chemical engineering >degrees who want to tell me I got it wrong are welcome to do so, but please >explain *why* if that is the case. >-- Mike B. I think this paragraph beautifully illustrates the difference between contributing factual arguments vs. occupying bandwidth for the sake of "hearing yourself speak." I mean, I'm just a lurker, and it was amusing to me when this topic of "does Mike B. contribute" erupted in the past . But this was too much and I was motivated to come out of lurker mode to state my viewpoint. "Those are my guesses [now prove me wrong]." ...?! If you are just guessing... how does that help the list? At least try wikipedia, howstuffworks or google or something, then you can actually contribute subject matter with some authority, not mere speculation/hearsay. You know, it took me more time to read your speculation, than it did to type into google: "temperature affects fuel economy." I immediately found this article, among others http://autorepair.about.com/cs/generalinfo/a/aa022501a_2.htm which states, in part: "Driving Habits: Frequent short trips (less than five miles), especially in cooler ambient temperatures (less than 65 degrees), will necessitate fuel enrichment on start-ups, especially after "soaks" with the engine off for approximately a half an hour or more. Frequent accelerator pedal movement while driving will reduce fuel economy because of fuel enrichment during the periods of acceleration. Under such driving conditions, the torque converter clutch (TCC) also disengages, contributing to fuel economy losses. Prolonged idle periods reduce fuel economy, especially in cold ambient temperatures when vehicle is allowed to "warm up." Fuels: Oxygenated fuels, with methanol and/or ethanol blended into the gasoline, have lower energy and thus reduce fuel economy. Typically, there is about a 1-mpg penalty for a vehicle that gets 25 to 30 MPG on 100 percent gasoline. Using fuels of a lower octane than the vehicle was calibrated to will cause increased "Knock Sensor (KS)" system activity. This will result in a net decrease in spark advance and thus poorer fuel economy. Using fuel of a higher octane than the vehicle was calibrated for WILL NOT increase fuel economy. Variations in how much fuel is added to the fuel tank during re-fueling can greatly affect calculated fuel economy. These effects decrease as the distance traveled and the number of tank fill ups increase." ... Now, I could distill that down, repeat the process for a few other articles I could easily find, and using my own brain just stick to the points/counterpoints and make a valid argument to help contribute to the list, but I wanted to illustrate by example how it could get tiresome to have to read through a lot of crap. But, at least it's not just guesswork I've pulled out of my butt. _________________________________________________________________ Don)B’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 10:31:01 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:30:52 -0500 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Electrics This summer I put an outdoor 12v adapter on the VFR, and I am ready to buy electrics and new boots. Primarily I want a vest and gloves, but I am open to suggestion. I will be using the 12v to 'power' my tank bag, so the electrics will all plug into the bag. I believe another lister uses this same configuration - which is a great idea. I can power my GPS and cell phone charger along with heated clothing. When I lived in Centreville, the cold wasn't an issue. My commute was just under 30 minutes and I didn't get cold until the end of the ride in. Now it is around an hour on dark back roads with little sunlight and I am freezing my fingers and toes off while the rest of me is chilly with full winter bibs and fleece lined Kenya First Gear jacket. Rhonda bought me a fleece balaclava for Christmas last year and it made a world of difference. My old balaclava was cotton and fairly useless. I may shoot for a full one piece riding suit next year, along with a second bike (used SV650, or if I win the lottery - a BMW R1150RT with heated grips!) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 10:35:57 2004 From: Kirk Roy To: "dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Electrics Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:35:45 -0500 Check out the Gerbing stuff. A jacket is much better than a vest. Contact Mike Vlahos, in Mt. Airy, MD: http://www.gerbing.com/pages/dealers/thedealers/MDmtairy.html I just picked up a pair of gloves from him earlier this week. My hands were not cold at all coming in to work today (slightly more than an hour). Kirk > From: Troutman > Date: 2004/11/10 Wed AM 10:30:52 EST > To: "dc Cycles" > Subject: Electrics > > This summer I put an outdoor 12v adapter on the VFR, and I am ready to buy > electrics and new boots. Primarily I want a vest and gloves, but I am open > to suggestion. I will be using the 12v to 'power' my tank bag, so the > electrics will all plug into the bag. I believe another lister uses this > same configuration - which is a great idea. I can power my GPS and cell > phone charger along with heated clothing. > > When I lived in Centreville, the cold wasn't an issue. My commute was just > under 30 minutes and I didn't get cold until the end of the ride in. Now > it is around an hour on dark back roads with little sunlight and I am > freezing my fingers and toes off while the rest of me is chilly with full > winter bibs and fleece lined Kenya First Gear jacket. > > Rhonda bought me a fleece balaclava for Christmas last year and it made a > world of difference. My old balaclava was cotton and fairly useless. I > may shoot for a full one piece riding suit next year, along with a second > bike (used SV650, or if I win the lottery - a BMW R1150RT with heated grips!) > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 10:39:27 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=JYtPfutOiXIrReCnNKGK8OPDOzvJpJvxacNl2UNXgUGM9OdcqWfakjzO6pQQUEUoHgmMMlR7KYLGdU3oXexrx99FKj3bqE+QyFtR6auEJI78xcad7jWX6I9oMMVFUY8U7yhw73plVbUCU8LgqKI+gKz+qMHhcoy4fNbjTlyi2U0= ; Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:39:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Electrics To: Troutman , dc Cycles Mike: Running a jacket, pants and GPS/cellphone may be a bit much for the VFR. I asked about running two jackets on the VFR list and got mixed answers. Do you have a voltmeter? --- Troutman wrote: > This summer I put an outdoor 12v adapter on the VFR, > and I am ready to buy > electrics and new boots. Primarily I want a vest > and gloves, but I am open > to suggestion. I will be using the 12v to 'power' > my tank bag, so the > electrics will all plug into the bag. I believe > another lister uses this > same configuration - which is a great idea. I can > power my GPS and cell > phone charger along with heated clothing. > > When I lived in Centreville, the cold wasn't an > issue. My commute was just > under 30 minutes and I didn't get cold until the end > of the ride in. Now > it is around an hour on dark back roads with little > sunlight and I am > freezing my fingers and toes off while the rest of > me is chilly with full > winter bibs and fleece lined Kenya First Gear > jacket. > > Rhonda bought me a fleece balaclava for Christmas > last year and it made a > world of difference. My old balaclava was cotton > and fairly useless. I > may shoot for a full one piece riding suit next > year, along with a second > bike (used SV650, or if I win the lottery - a BMW > R1150RT with heated grips!) > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 10:42:27 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Irony Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:41:12 -0500 Aaron, That was a very useful, factual response. Much of that information fits what I have observed, but it is nice to see it confirmed. Perry >From: "Aaron Ward" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Irony >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:15:35 -0500 > [snipping to save bandwidth and disk space] _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 10:47:12 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Electrics Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:46:40 -0500 Mike, I got the Widder vest, with thermostat, a few years back. I also have the FG Kilimanjaro 3/4 coat with fleece liner. Once I started using the vest, I found that I didn't need the liner unless I was doing long rides at sub-freezing temps. The vest alone (under the coat) was sufficient for me. You can get gloves that will interface with a vest, but if you are going that route, you might want to consider a full jacket. There are those who swear by the jacket/gloves combo. Or, you might consider heated grips and stick with more normal gloves. In any event, the first time you ride with the electrics you will ask yourself why you took so long to get them. They are that good! Perry >From: Troutman >To: "dc Cycles" >Subject: Electrics >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:30:52 -0500 > >This summer I put an outdoor 12v adapter on the VFR, and I am ready to buy >electrics and new boots. Primarily I want a vest and gloves, but I am open >to suggestion. I will be using the 12v to 'power' my tank bag, so the >electrics will all plug into the bag. I believe another lister uses this >same configuration - which is a great idea. I can power my GPS and cell >phone charger along with heated clothing. > >When I lived in Centreville, the cold wasn't an issue. My commute was just >under 30 minutes and I didn't get cold until the end of the ride in. Now >it is around an hour on dark back roads with little sunlight and I am >freezing my fingers and toes off while the rest of me is chilly with full >winter bibs and fleece lined Kenya First Gear jacket. > >Rhonda bought me a fleece balaclava for Christmas last year and it made a >world of difference. My old balaclava was cotton and fairly useless. I >may shoot for a full one piece riding suit next year, along with a second >bike (used SV650, or if I win the lottery - a BMW R1150RT with heated >grips!) > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > _________________________________________________________________ Don)B’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 11:03:17 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Electrics Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:02:53 -0500 Mike, I'll second that recommendation. Also, have you thought about heated grips for your VFR? I installed this Kimpex set last winter, and love 'em. http://store.azmusa.com/kigrhekit.html Just a thought. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Kirk Roy To: "dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Electrics Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:35:45 -0500 Check out the Gerbing stuff. A jacket is much better than a vest. Contact Mike Vlahos, in Mt. Airy, MD: http://www.gerbing.com/pages/dealers/thedealers/MDmtairy.html I just picked up a pair of gloves from him earlier this week. My hands were not cold at all coming in to work today (slightly more than an hour). Kirk > From: Troutman > Date: 2004/11/10 Wed AM 10:30:52 EST > To: "dc Cycles" > Subject: Electrics > > This summer I put an outdoor 12v adapter on the VFR, and I am ready to buy > electrics and new boots. Primarily I want a vest and gloves, but I am open > to suggestion. I will be using the 12v to 'power' my tank bag, so the > electrics will all plug into the bag. I believe another lister uses this > same configuration - which is a great idea. I can power my GPS and cell > phone charger along with heated clothing. > > When I lived in Centreville, the cold wasn't an issue. My commute was just > under 30 minutes and I didn't get cold until the end of the ride in. Now > it is around an hour on dark back roads with little sunlight and I am > freezing my fingers and toes off while the rest of me is chilly with full > winter bibs and fleece lined Kenya First Gear jacket. > > Rhonda bought me a fleece balaclava for Christmas last year and it made a > world of difference. My old balaclava was cotton and fairly useless. I > may shoot for a full one piece riding suit next year, along with a second > bike (used SV650, or if I win the lottery - a BMW R1150RT with heated grips!) > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 11:07:35 2004 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: "'dc Cycles'" Subject: RE: Electrics Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:07:30 -0500 If you're thinking of getting gloves, I'd recommend (and use) the Gerbing heated jacket liner and gloves. The gloves (which I picked up a few weeks ago) interface nicely with the jacket, and a heated collar and arms makes a world of difference. I control both with a Heat-troller. I have very poor circulation in the extremities, so even with heated gloves, I don't find that the jacket and gloves are matched to my liking...meaning, I have to crank up the setting in order to feel comfy in the fingertips, but that makes my torso too hot. Again, I think it's because of me, and not because of the gear. Hell, I use the heated grips with the heated gloves, and my hands are still not quite cozy warm! But, like another lister noted...once you get heated gear, you'll kick yourself for not getting it sooner. I'm still trying to figure the best solution to protect my neck area. I have a balaclava, but it's too difficult to get my helmet on with that thing on, so I tend to not use it. Maybe I need a larger helmet for winter. ;) Wes Hsu 2001 BMW R1100SA > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:31 AM > To: dc Cycles > Subject: Electrics > > This summer I put an outdoor 12v adapter on the VFR, and I am ready to buy > electrics and new boots. Primarily I want a vest and gloves, but I am > open > to suggestion. I will be using the 12v to 'power' my tank bag, so the > electrics will all plug into the bag. I believe another lister uses this > same configuration - which is a great idea. I can power my GPS and cell > phone charger along with heated clothing. > > When I lived in Centreville, the cold wasn't an issue. My commute was > just > under 30 minutes and I didn't get cold until the end of the ride in. Now > it is around an hour on dark back roads with little sunlight and I am > freezing my fingers and toes off while the rest of me is chilly with full > winter bibs and fleece lined Kenya First Gear jacket. > > Rhonda bought me a fleece balaclava for Christmas last year and it made a > world of difference. My old balaclava was cotton and fairly useless. I > may shoot for a full one piece riding suit next year, along with a second > bike (used SV650, or if I win the lottery - a BMW R1150RT with heated > grips!) > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 11:10:52 2004 From: Kirk Roy To: "'dc Cycles'" Subject: RE: Electrics Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:10:42 -0500 Gerbing makes a dual wired jacket and dual thermostat so you can control the gloves and jacket separately. Kirk > From: "Wesleyan Hsu" > Date: 2004/11/10 Wed AM 11:07:30 EST > To: "'dc Cycles'" > Subject: RE: Electrics > > If you're thinking of getting gloves, I'd recommend (and use) the Gerbing > heated jacket liner and gloves. The gloves (which I picked up a few weeks > ago) interface nicely with the jacket, and a heated collar and arms makes a > world of difference. I control both with a Heat-troller. > > I have very poor circulation in the extremities, so even with heated gloves, > I don't find that the jacket and gloves are matched to my liking...meaning, > I have to crank up the setting in order to feel comfy in the fingertips, but > that makes my torso too hot. Again, I think it's because of me, and not > because of the gear. Hell, I use the heated grips with the heated gloves, > and my hands are still not quite cozy warm! > > But, like another lister noted...once you get heated gear, you'll kick > yourself for not getting it sooner. > > I'm still trying to figure the best solution to protect my neck area. I have > a balaclava, but it's too difficult to get my helmet on with that thing on, > so I tend to not use it. Maybe I need a larger helmet for winter. ;) > > Wes Hsu > 2001 BMW R1100SA > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:31 AM > > To: dc Cycles > > Subject: Electrics > > > > This summer I put an outdoor 12v adapter on the VFR, and I am ready to buy > > electrics and new boots. Primarily I want a vest and gloves, but I am > > open > > to suggestion. I will be using the 12v to 'power' my tank bag, so the > > electrics will all plug into the bag. I believe another lister uses this > > same configuration - which is a great idea. I can power my GPS and cell > > phone charger along with heated clothing. > > > > When I lived in Centreville, the cold wasn't an issue. My commute was > > just > > under 30 minutes and I didn't get cold until the end of the ride in. Now > > it is around an hour on dark back roads with little sunlight and I am > > freezing my fingers and toes off while the rest of me is chilly with full > > winter bibs and fleece lined Kenya First Gear jacket. > > > > Rhonda bought me a fleece balaclava for Christmas last year and it made a > > world of difference. My old balaclava was cotton and fairly useless. I > > may shoot for a full one piece riding suit next year, along with a second > > bike (used SV650, or if I win the lottery - a BMW R1150RT with heated > > grips!) > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 11:11:51 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:11:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson To: dc Cycles Subject: Re: Electrics Ditto the Gerbings recommendations. I've got the jacket liner, gloves and socks. And the Heat-Troller. No problems on the VFR, at moderate settings. I actually ordered a bunch of Widder-style connectors from Widder and fashioned my own "12V tankbag." I've got a cig lighter receptacle inside the bag for the XM and for the cell phone. I used the Widder plugs (with heatshrink tubing strain relief) for all the bike-to-bag and bag-to-Heat-Troller connections. The plugs are very durable, easy to handle with gloves on and easy to rebuild in the field. I've also got it wired in such a way that I don't need to mount the bag to power the heated clothes. The KLR came from the PO with heated grips, so I'll prolly just use the jacket liner on that bike, as it doesn't have much oomph in the electrical department. -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy Check out the Gerbing stuff. A jacket is much better than a vest. Contact Mike Vlahos, in Mt. Airy, MD: http://www.gerbing.com/pages/dealers/thedealers/MDmtairy.html I just picked up a pair of gloves from him earlier this week. My hands were not cold at all coming in to work today (slightly more than an hour). Kirk > From: Troutman > Date: 2004/11/10 Wed AM 10:30:52 EST > To: "dc Cycles" > Subject: Electrics > > This summer I put an outdoor 12v adapter on the VFR, and I am ready to buy > electrics and new boots. Primarily I want a vest and gloves, but I am open > to suggestion. I will be using the 12v to 'power' my tank bag, so the > electrics will all plug into the bag. I believe another lister uses this > same configuration - which is a great idea. I can power my GPS and cell > phone charger along with heated clothing. > > When I lived in Centreville, the cold wasn't an issue. My commute was just > under 30 minutes and I didn't get cold until the end of the ride in. Now > it is around an hour on dark back roads with little sunlight and I am > freezing my fingers and toes off while the rest of me is chilly with full > winter bibs and fleece lined Kenya First Gear jacket. > > Rhonda bought me a fleece balaclava for Christmas last year and it made a > world of difference. My old balaclava was cotton and fairly useless. I > may shoot for a full one piece riding suit next year, along with a second > bike (used SV650, or if I win the lottery - a BMW R1150RT with heated grips!) > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 11:18:22 2004 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: "'dc Cycles'" Subject: RE: Electrics Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:18:14 -0500 Thanks for the info. I didn't realize they offered this. Unfortunately, I got the jacket a few years ago before I thought about needing gloves. I'll just live with it until I find someone who will offer me a decent price on my jacket. ;) Wes > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirkroy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 11:11 AM > To: 'dc Cycles' > Subject: RE: Electrics > > Gerbing makes a dual wired jacket and dual thermostat so you can control > the gloves and jacket separately. > > Kirk > > > From: "Wesleyan Hsu" > > Date: 2004/11/10 Wed AM 11:07:30 EST > > To: "'dc Cycles'" > > Subject: RE: Electrics > > > > If you're thinking of getting gloves, I'd recommend (and use) the > Gerbing > > heated jacket liner and gloves. The gloves (which I picked up a few > weeks > > ago) interface nicely with the jacket, and a heated collar and arms > makes a > > world of difference. I control both with a Heat-troller. > > > > I have very poor circulation in the extremities, so even with heated > gloves, > > I don't find that the jacket and gloves are matched to my > liking...meaning, > > I have to crank up the setting in order to feel comfy in the fingertips, > but > > that makes my torso too hot. Again, I think it's because of me, and not > > because of the gear. Hell, I use the heated grips with the heated > gloves, > > and my hands are still not quite cozy warm! > > > > But, like another lister noted...once you get heated gear, you'll kick > > yourself for not getting it sooner. > > > > I'm still trying to figure the best solution to protect my neck area. I > have > > a balaclava, but it's too difficult to get my helmet on with that thing > on, > > so I tend to not use it. Maybe I need a larger helmet for winter. ;) > > > > Wes Hsu > > 2001 BMW R1100SA > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:31 AM > > > To: dc Cycles > > > Subject: Electrics > > > > > > This summer I put an outdoor 12v adapter on the VFR, and I am ready to > buy > > > electrics and new boots. Primarily I want a vest and gloves, but I am > > > open > > > to suggestion. I will be using the 12v to 'power' my tank bag, so the > > > electrics will all plug into the bag. I believe another lister uses > this > > > same configuration - which is a great idea. I can power my GPS and > cell > > > phone charger along with heated clothing. > > > > > > When I lived in Centreville, the cold wasn't an issue. My commute was > > > just > > > under 30 minutes and I didn't get cold until the end of the ride in. > Now > > > it is around an hour on dark back roads with little sunlight and I am > > > freezing my fingers and toes off while the rest of me is chilly with > full > > > winter bibs and fleece lined Kenya First Gear jacket. > > > > > > Rhonda bought me a fleece balaclava for Christmas last year and it > made a > > > world of difference. My old balaclava was cotton and fairly useless. > I > > > may shoot for a full one piece riding suit next year, along with a > second > > > bike (used SV650, or if I win the lottery - a BMW R1150RT with heated > > > grips!) > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > Mike Troutman > > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > > > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > > > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 11:45:19 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:45:10 -0500 To: "'dc Cycles'" From: Troutman Subject: RE: Electrics The one Rhonda got for me is fleece from the chin down. The top helmet half is a thin nylon that slides into the helmet easily. It is long enough to easily tuck into my jacket collar, and makes a huge difference. I appreciate the input everyone provided, and I think I'll go with a full jacket and glove combo. I can't wait - literally! My toes and fingers are just now de-icing. At 11:07 AM 11/10/2004, Wesleyan Hsu wrote: >I'm still trying to figure the best solution to protect my neck area. I have >a balaclava, but it's too difficult to get my helmet on with that thing on, >so I tend to not use it. Maybe I need a larger helmet for winter. ;) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 11:51:02 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:50:56 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson To: Troutman , "'dc Cycles'" Subject: RE: Electrics -----Original Message----- From: Troutman I appreciate the input everyone provided, and I think I'll go with a full jacket and glove combo. I can't wait - literally! My toes and fingers are just now de-icing. --- That should serve you well, Mike. I only wear the socks on extended rides in sub-40 temperatures. For the head and neck, I got a "Shellaclava" from the Aerostich catalog. Works pretty well. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 11:53:59 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=a/Wn1m2VCUjSzMaKSTOkNW5/dDW3xH8mUKzpIcCdZ+cLwd7fxRnK21JbHRRNK5b8LQJ9eBkJBOBZbUmHQ+Eo4VOLjpplzAGPjFMf3/S0abBsC9YVQi73VZdJpYaSApSVjmE7RHbojNeXC1oA6beGHeHOE4XNeCNGIaaiC5taN6Y= Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:53:54 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: Troutman Subject: Re: Electrics Cc: dc Cycles A note on heated grips -- they're nice to have, but no replacement for heated gloves. I find that mine (OEM BMW) don't do much if not in the city. Once traffic speeds get over 35 mph, and waiting time at stoplights disappears, your hands will get cold, heated grips or not. Also, thick winter gloves diminish the useful heat from the grips as well, thanks to the extra insulation that most of them have in the palms. However, I've managed to avoid the need for heated gloves even on longer trips with a heated grips/hippo hands combination. Aaron On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:45:10 -0500, Troutman wrote: > The one Rhonda got for me is fleece from the chin down. The top helmet > half is a thin nylon that slides into the helmet easily. It is long enough > to easily tuck into my jacket collar, and makes a huge difference. > > I appreciate the input everyone provided, and I think I'll go with a full > jacket and glove combo. I can't wait - literally! My toes and fingers are > just now de-icing. > > > > At 11:07 AM 11/10/2004, Wesleyan Hsu wrote: > >I'm still trying to figure the best solution to protect my neck area. I have > >a balaclava, but it's too difficult to get my helmet on with that thing on, > >so I tend to not use it. Maybe I need a larger helmet for winter. ;) > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 11:58:22 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:57:38 -0500 To: "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: 2 Questions - Denim Vest, and Tix in Montgomery County At 05:19 AM 11/10/04 -0800, Louis F. Caplan wrote: >I've recently joined a motorcycle club with a patch that I'd like to wear. I'm >not really a leather vest kind of guy, but I'd like to find a nice denim vest, >preferably blue, but black could work as well. However, in my on-line >searches, I haven't been able to find anything. I have seen people wearing >them. Does anyone know where would be a good place to look for something like >this? Harley dealers usually have them...though they probably will have "Harley-Davidson" on them somewhere. There's also Froogle: http://www.google.com/froogle?q=denim+vest+men brings up a couple dozen hits, some of which look like they might be what you want. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 12:02:24 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=zJ2RshWQdLNhvGk5X2iMMQGFi27ca4ALQlUBC+5N5Xx2lAHmKnnzOIbRbT76S6I0kcXhb2XDKBXgH8/FoNsDPVwLH/u3LVrJOLhYO6yZr71uVm7fD8RaGfP6Q80r9Tdd4lWi5ghjFzw5k5h3v1ryCEOCss4UcN6I97xcnLgpmWs= ; Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:02:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 2 Questions - Denim Vest, and Tix in Montgomery County To: "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles re #2: _if the speed is not disputed_, show up at scheduled court date with clean driving record in hand and request probation before judgment.... (stay clean during the probation period) --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > I've recently joined a motorcycle club with a patch that > I'd like to wear. I'm > not really a leather vest kind of guy, but I'd like to > find a nice denim vest, > preferably blue, but black could work as well. However, > in my on-line > searches, I haven't been able to find anything. I have > seen people wearing > them. Does anyone know where would be a good place to > look for something like > this? > > > Off topic, my wife got her first performance award > yesterday in Rockville. 17 > over (25 mph zone). She said the tix is for $65 and some > points, I haven't > seen it yet. (the police officer said since it was a > first offense, it wasn't > as bad). I know in Fairfax, going to court is basically > useless, as the judges > rarely budge, but other places they can give you traffic > schools and other > things. Is Rockville/Montgomery County one of these > places? > > Fortunately the police woman who pulled my wife over was > in a good mood. My > wife comes from NYC, and when she's upset, pulls a > typical NY attitude. She > told me that she told the police officer that people on > the beltway are going > 90 mph, so why are the bothering her, etc. Oy!! The > officer just said "I > know, and slow down" and left. > > Thanks for any comments on either of the above. > > Louis > > > ===== > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours > Fairfax, VA > Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain > Tumor Foundation > http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 12:15:55 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:12:18 -0500 To: "Aaron Ward" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Irony At 10:15 AM 11/10/04 -0500, Aaron Ward wrote: >From: Mike Bartman >Subject: Re: Gas mileage\temps > >>Those are my guesses. Those with mechanical or chemical engineering >>degrees who want to tell me I got it wrong are welcome to do so, but please >>explain *why* if that is the case. >>-- Mike B. > >I think this paragraph beautifully illustrates the difference between >contributing factual arguments vs. occupying bandwidth for the sake of >"hearing yourself speak." As you are doing with this guff? >motivated to come out of lurker mode to state my viewpoint. "Those are my >guesses [now prove me wrong]." ...?! That stuff is in response to people who have complained in the past that I sound too "condescending" or "arrogant" when I just say what I know. Adding in something to indicate that I might be wrong seems to keep those people happier. Sorry it annoys you. Can't please everyone I guess. >Fuels: >Oxygenated fuels, with methanol and/or ethanol blended into the gasoline, >have lower energy and thus reduce fuel economy. Typically, there is about a >1-mpg penalty for a vehicle that gets 25 to 30 MPG on 100 percent gasoline. What about MTBE? That's another additive often used for seasonal pollution control. >Variations in how much fuel is added to the fuel tank during re-fueling can >greatly affect calculated fuel economy. These effects decrease as the >distance traveled and the number of tank fill ups increase." That last statement seems pretty suspect. It is apparently assuming that the differences in fill level are small and random. That may be true, but it doesn't have to be. >Now, I could distill that down, repeat the process for a few other articles >I could easily find, and using my own brain just stick to the >points/counterpoints and make a valid argument to help contribute to the >list, but I wanted to illustrate by example how it could get tiresome to >have to read through a lot of crap. I'd prefer the source material, as *I* don't have a reading handicap that limits me to handling only one-line posts. If you "distill it down" you could easily contribute errors without realizing it. Happens all the time here when someone "distills down" what someone else said...hence the frequent, "I never said that" responses. If you "distill it down", at least post a link to the source material. >But, at least it's not just guesswork I've pulled out of my butt. Neither was mine. I pulled it out of my past education combined with "using my own brain" (as you suggest is a good idea), and provided a caveat in case I made a mistake. ANYONE here can go do their own research if they want answers directly from someone more authoritative...so why do questions get posted here in the first place? Hmmmm....??? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 12:48:42 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , "Aaron Ward" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Irony Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:50:20 -0500 I believe that people have giving Mike crap for just spewing back the results of google searches. And have given him crap about always assuming he is right. I know I am guilty of just trying to reason things out when I try answer a question and so do a bunch of other people on the list. When people post questions like Julians (temp and gas milage question) to the list you can't expect a technical and scientific answer. This is a motorcycle list and really he is just soliciting the opinions of the list reads. Mike may post quite a bit but he is just participating in the discussions and while you might not think it's relavant your post slamming Mike *IS* even *LESS* relavant. The list is about bikes, people who ride em and want to talk to other who ride them as well. So lay off Mike, at least in this instance. Regards, Rob On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:12:18 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote > At 10:15 AM 11/10/04 -0500, Aaron Ward wrote: > >From: Mike Bartman > >Subject: Re: Gas mileage\temps > > > >>Those are my guesses. Those with mechanical or chemical engineering > >>degrees who want to tell me I got it wrong are welcome to do so, but please > >>explain *why* if that is the case. > >>-- Mike B. > > > >I think this paragraph beautifully illustrates the difference between > >contributing factual arguments vs. occupying bandwidth for the sake of > >"hearing yourself speak." > > As you are doing with this guff? > > >motivated to come out of lurker mode to state my viewpoint. "Those are my > >guesses [now prove me wrong]." ...?! > > That stuff is in response to people who have complained in the past > that I sound too "condescending" or "arrogant" when I just say what > I know. Adding in something to indicate that I might be wrong seems > to keep those people happier. Sorry it annoys you. Can't please > everyone I guess. > > >Fuels: > >Oxygenated fuels, with methanol and/or ethanol blended into the gasoline, > >have lower energy and thus reduce fuel economy. Typically, there is about a > >1-mpg penalty for a vehicle that gets 25 to 30 MPG on 100 percent gasoline. > > What about MTBE? That's another additive often used for seasonal pollution > control. > > >Variations in how much fuel is added to the fuel tank during re-fueling can > >greatly affect calculated fuel economy. These effects decrease as the > >distance traveled and the number of tank fill ups increase." > > That last statement seems pretty suspect. It is apparently assuming > that the differences in fill level are small and random. That may > be true, but it doesn't have to be. > > >Now, I could distill that down, repeat the process for a few other articles > >I could easily find, and using my own brain just stick to the > >points/counterpoints and make a valid argument to help contribute to the > >list, but I wanted to illustrate by example how it could get tiresome to > >have to read through a lot of crap. > > I'd prefer the source material, as *I* don't have a reading handicap > that limits me to handling only one-line posts. If you "distill it > down" you could easily contribute errors without realizing it. > Happens all the time here when someone "distills down" what someone > else said...hence the frequent, "I never said that" responses. If > you "distill it down", at least post a link to the source material. > > >But, at least it's not just guesswork I've pulled out of my butt. > > Neither was mine. I pulled it out of my past education combined with > "using my own brain" (as you suggest is a good idea), and provided a > caveat in case I made a mistake. > > ANYONE here can go do their own research if they want answers > directly from someone more authoritative...so why do questions get > posted here in the first place? Hmmmm....??? > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non- > Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 12:57:58 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:57:55 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "'dc Cycles'" Subject: RE: Electrics I bet Gerbing would re-wire your existing jacket for very little. Or you could use the separate wiring harness for the gloves and just safety-pin it in place in the jacket sleeves. When it comes to staying warm, cyclists are very creative! best, Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Wesleyan Hsu" Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:18:14 -0500 >Thanks for the info. I didn't realize they offered this. > >Unfortunately, I got the jacket a few years ago before I thought about >needing gloves. I'll just live with it until I find someone who will offer >me a decent price on my jacket. ;) > >Wes > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirkroy@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 11:11 AM >> To: 'dc Cycles' >> Subject: RE: Electrics >> >> Gerbing makes a dual wired jacket and dual thermostat so you can control >> the gloves and jacket separately. >> >> Kirk >> >> > From: "Wesleyan Hsu" >> > Date: 2004/11/10 Wed AM 11:07:30 EST >> > To: "'dc Cycles'" >> > Subject: RE: Electrics >> > >> > If you're thinking of getting gloves, I'd recommend (and use) the >> Gerbing >> > heated jacket liner and gloves. The gloves (which I picked up a few >> weeks >> > ago) interface nicely with the jacket, and a heated collar and arms >> makes a >> > world of difference. I control both with a Heat-troller. >> > >> > I have very poor circulation in the extremities, so even with heated >> gloves, >> > I don't find that the jacket and gloves are matched to my >> liking...meaning, >> > I have to crank up the setting in order to feel comfy in the fingertips, >> but >> > that makes my torso too hot. Again, I think it's because of me, and not >> > because of the gear. Hell, I use the heated grips with the heated >> gloves, >> > and my hands are still not quite cozy warm! >> > >> > But, like another lister noted...once you get heated gear, you'll kick >> > yourself for not getting it sooner. >> > >> > I'm still trying to figure the best solution to protect my neck area. I >> have >> > a balaclava, but it's too difficult to get my helmet on with that thing >> on, >> > so I tend to not use it. Maybe I need a larger helmet for winter. ;) >> > >> > Wes Hsu >> > 2001 BMW R1100SA >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] >> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:31 AM >> > > To: dc Cycles >> > > Subject: Electrics >> > > >> > > This summer I put an outdoor 12v adapter on the VFR, and I am ready to >> buy >> > > electrics and new boots. Primarily I want a vest and gloves, but I am >> > > open >> > > to suggestion. I will be using the 12v to 'power' my tank bag, so the >> > > electrics will all plug into the bag. I believe another lister uses >> this >> > > same configuration - which is a great idea. I can power my GPS and >> cell >> > > phone charger along with heated clothing. >> > > >> > > When I lived in Centreville, the cold wasn't an issue. My commute was >> > > just >> > > under 30 minutes and I didn't get cold until the end of the ride in. >> Now >> > > it is around an hour on dark back roads with little sunlight and I am >> > > freezing my fingers and toes off while the rest of me is chilly with >> full >> > > winter bibs and fleece lined Kenya First Gear jacket. >> > > >> > > Rhonda bought me a fleece balaclava for Christmas last year and it >> made a >> > > world of difference. My old balaclava was cotton and fairly useless. >> I >> > > may shoot for a full one piece riding suit next year, along with a >> second >> > > bike (used SV650, or if I win the lottery - a BMW R1150RT with heated >> > > grips!) >> > > >> > > ___________________________________________ >> > > Mike Troutman >> > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr >> > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 >> > > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ >> > > NMA http://www.motorists.org >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 12:58:55 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:58:52 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Irony OTOH, there are probably ways to offer up "just my opinion" simply and succinctly, without engaging in electronic filibusters. Or should that be "filibluster"? In certain cases, it's the bloviating tone that annoys, followed closely by the length. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Sharp When people post questions like Julians (temp and gas milage question) to the list you can't expect a technical and scientific answer. This is a motorcycle list and really he is just soliciting the opinions of the list reads. .... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 13:17:26 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:17:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Electrics At 12:57 PM 11/10/04 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: >Or you could use the separate wiring harness for the gloves and just safety-pin it in place in the jacket sleeves. I've only used my heated gloves a few times with power (they are warm enough for anything above freezing just from the insulation), but I found that just holding onto the glove ends of the power harness when I put the jacket on was good enough...no need to secure it in place, or run the wires before getting things on. Once the jacket was on I put the bike end of the harness inside my vest to hold it in place, and let the switch dangle out over my left leg. I have the power connector coming out from under the seat on that side and it's convenient to be able to turn the gloves on and off without letting go of the throttle. Worked fine for me the few times I've used it so far. I'd be hesitant to safety pin the harness in place anyway...the idea of metal against rubber insulation inside my clothing makes me nervous... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 13:18:02 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=sxlhh4hCjUrOr0u9XvEcdgUmByja8OdcpQmeByiQw7lKkdOISDpwH6oKaH1RAcSHKmbp2JXIwxrFDQ8wiSVxMZoK/gf937h2++4VtZZX9d2g7Oigti9pGjmNiq7YQZZ6R8bH6ngXrKYBbLpCBqFKZDzKoC6WyBm5mJ5o+rSEHNU= Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:17:58 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Irony > >Variations in how much fuel is added to the fuel tank during re-fueling can > >greatly affect calculated fuel economy. These effects decrease as the > >distance traveled and the number of tank fill ups increase." > That last statement seems pretty suspect. If you are trying to calculate MPG figures on very small fills/short distances between fills, one will tend to have a larger margin of error as the tools to measure just how much gas/many miles aren't very precise. If one could accurately measure the amount of gas in fractions of an ounce and distance in, say, 50' increments, it would be more accurate. General rule of thumb, don't calculate MPG in less than 500 mile increments - say every 3rd or 4th tank. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 13:19:17 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:18:53 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Irony To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MB shows his non believer feathers: so why do questions get posted here in the first place? Hmmmm....??? In the beginning, Al Gore created the internet. But the Internet was without form, and void;and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of Al Gore moved upon the face of cyberspace. And Al Gore said, "From my lockbox, let there spring forth a Sysadmin who can give this thing some power" And the Benevloent DCC List master Harry sprang forth and imbued DC Cycles server with power and form. Al Gore saw the power indicator, and it was good. Then Al Gore divided the useless internet wasted bandwidth from the realm of DC-Cycles, so we could all ask moto related questions. Then, Al Gore said, let there be a firmament between digest mode, and regular email mode. And it was so. There's more, obviously... But that's why we all ask questions here... All the believers anyway... ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 14:16:48 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:16:00 -0500 From: "Judy La Follette" To: Subject: Re: Electrics Ok, my questions and concerns on the Heated Clothing . . . . It appears to me that the Gerbing's Ultimate Jacket & Pants fit over top of your normal clothes (jeans, etc.). Are you all not wearing leather at all??? They have Gerbing's Liners. I guess these are what would be worn under leathers? If one is wearing full leathers, it appears that the pant liners may rise up your legs--when the leathers are snug. The pant liners seem to have more of a loose fit verses a type spandex fit. I have two sets of full leathers. One, I call my winter leathers, because they are actually a man's size small and are very loose--too big. I can wear sweat pants, sweat shirts, etc. underneath with the winter leathers. The other pair I consider my summer leathers, because they are tight--honestly, too small. I would love to wear the summer leathers with the Gerbing's liners, but believe the leathers are too tight. How do you all wear these Gerbing things--over, under? I am guessing if you wore the full suit over full leathers, you would not feel the heat--or would it still keep you warm? Their liners indicate, "[n]ew sizing and improved patterns mean that the liners will fit even more snugly to the body, providing more accessible heat while fitting more easily under outer garments." If you guys always talk about protection, I get the feeling that the leathers are tossed and regular clothes are worn??? Do you all carry an extra sweatshirt just in case the bike dies or something goes wrong with the electrics? If you had the whole operation--either full outfit or jacket and pants, socks, gloves, etc.--would a 748 (Ducati) have the strength or power to support them? I was told by Ducati (after I blew two rectifiers) that the bike was designed for the track, and did not have the extra electrical stuff to run my headlight on high beam during the day--which is what they said was blowing the rectifiers (I believe it needed a heat shield, too). Gimer, did you do something special to your bike to use your Gerbings? Do you have the whole outfit, etc.? Bottom line--I want to weather full leathers, be warm, and not have the bulk. Thanks in advance, Judy -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy Check out the Gerbing stuff. A jacket is much better than a vest. Contact Mike Vlahos, in Mt. Airy, MD: http://www.gerbing.com/pages/dealers/thedealers/MDmtairy.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 14:44:09 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:42:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Gas mileage checking At 01:17 PM 11/10/04 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: >> >Variations in how much fuel is added to the fuel tank during re-fueling can >> >greatly affect calculated fuel economy. These effects decrease as the >> >distance traveled and the number of tank fill ups increase." > >> That last statement seems pretty suspect. > >If you are trying to calculate MPG figures on very small fills/short >distances between fills, one will tend to have a larger margin of >error as the tools to measure just how much gas/many miles aren't very >precise. If one could accurately measure the amount of gas in >fractions of an ounce and distance in, say, 50' increments, it would >be more accurate. Very true, but that doesn't seem to be primarily what the statement I referred to was saying. They didn't talk about minor refills, but about number of refills and distance traveled. The point I got from it was that you don't always fill to the same level, and this introduces error, which is true, and that the more samples you take (i.e. over more fillups and distance) the lower the error gets...or at least the closer to the actual value the average gets. This *may* be true, provided that there's no systemic error in the fillup variations (for instance, you aren't as careful about level when you are cold, or on long rides or whatever) and so long as the fillup variations are relatively small. That's why I didn't claim the statement was wrong...just not necessarily right. >General rule of thumb, don't calculate MPG in less than 500 mile >increments - say every 3rd or 4th tank. Or do it every tank and average your results over time if that's what you are looking for. I do it both ways, as I like to know what mileage to expect on all highway trips, all backroads trips, and when I'm in a lot of traffic. There's about a 8 mpg difference between highway and city traffic situations. For maintenance problem detection, checking over a number of fillups, as you suggest, is better. I never do less than a full fillup, and I always pay at the pump with a credit card, so writing the mileage down on the receipt lets me do the calculations later. I use one of the two resetable trip odometers on my bike for "distance since last fillup" so I don't have to do any math to figure distance per tank. It's also a good backup to the gas gauge, which hasn't always been very reliable (though it appears they've finally got it working on the 4th try...). -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 14:46:37 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=SYV0U7I9BxrD3S7wp5nEYKmHTfaivvcSp0aeXpl1cfg1cxVPIqlmiGhdLwJ+9h7Gx7FzpD7nlf5hBCUbYk9GfuuUaR1SMSZgZGlrdDQswG68e6J4D4mxUbMWLKWCc2bG7xxNEKzvyWeNTbyrw5t9dGTZe2ITKzgcKRTq2J0BYvc= ; Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:46:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Electrics To: Judy La Follette , dc-cycles@XXXXXX judy: i have a gerbings jacket liner under my vanson.... and that is the extent of my electric setup (i can't imagine fitting anything under my vanson leather pants without extreme discomfort in the knee region). i also don't envision anything that fits OVER your clothes to be efficient -- the heat source should be near your skin. i have the gerbings "heat-troller" (thermostat) and it works excellent. i would not recommend a setup without a thermostat, as it would require disconnecting from the power source mid-ride. i did not need to do anything to the bike except run a supplied wire to the battery, as the jacket is the only powered item drawing current from the duc. you may need an upgrade to your electrical system to support the full package. good luck with your setup, judy. you'll love the warmth. --- Judy La Follette wrote: > Ok, my questions and concerns on the Heated Clothing . . > . . > > It appears to me that the Gerbing's Ultimate Jacket & > Pants fit over top of your normal clothes (jeans, etc.). > Are you all not wearing leather at all??? > > They have Gerbing's Liners. I guess these are what would > be worn under leathers? If one is wearing full leathers, > it appears that the pant liners may rise up your > legs--when the leathers are snug. The pant liners seem > to have more of a loose fit verses a type spandex fit. I > have two sets of full leathers. One, I call my winter > leathers, because they are actually a man's size small > and are very loose--too big. I can wear sweat pants, > sweat shirts, etc. underneath with the winter leathers. > The other pair I consider my summer leathers, because > they are tight--honestly, too small. I would love to > wear the summer leathers with the Gerbing's liners, but > believe the leathers are too tight. How do you all wear > these Gerbing things--over, under? > > I am guessing if you wore the full suit over full > leathers, you would not feel the heat--or would it still > keep you warm? Their liners indicate, "[n]ew sizing and > improved patterns mean that the liners will fit even more > snugly to the body, providing more accessible heat while > fitting more easily under outer garments." If you guys > always talk about protection, I get the feeling that the > leathers are tossed and regular clothes are worn??? Do > you all carry an extra sweatshirt just in case the bike > dies or something goes wrong with the electrics? > > If you had the whole operation--either full outfit or > jacket and pants, socks, gloves, etc.--would a 748 > (Ducati) have the strength or power to support them? I > was told by Ducati (after I blew two rectifiers) that the > bike was designed for the track, and did not have the > extra electrical stuff to run my headlight on high beam > during the day--which is what they said was blowing the > rectifiers (I believe it needed a heat shield, too). > > Gimer, did you do something special to your bike to use > your Gerbings? Do you have the whole outfit, etc.? > > Bottom line--I want to weather full leathers, be warm, > and not have the bulk. > > Thanks in advance, > > Judy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy > > Check out the Gerbing stuff. A jacket is much better than > a vest. Contact Mike Vlahos, in Mt. Airy, MD: > http://www.gerbing.com/pages/dealers/thedealers/MDmtairy.html > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 14:51:52 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=UeTAVlWIRU2Dyh1JTX2AoqaLVKVZvHt4XdPw/G6zncbvZwqGzABowgsNPFKI0pE4PxDpzRPosrCzkRThu81lmUk2tI5le8igBHf5IhpXw18oIGwmR8+uRGp9cgYiv06G9OZw9IaL6XL/IlpUI9oBBZUO59320C7brNneb4a2OzE= Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:51:41 -0500 From: smthng else To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: 2 Questions - Denim Vest, and Tix in Montgomery County Louis F. Caplan wrote: > I've recently joined a motorcycle club with a patch that I'd like to wear. Well... do share. Maybe you've found my ever elusive "Can't make up your mind or buy enough crap" Motorcycle Club I've been looking for! :P --smthng 'Put down the credit card and no one gets hurt! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 14:54:15 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Electrics Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:51:02 -0500 Judy, I can't speak to the rectifier question, but according to Ducati, your 748 has a 520 watt alternator. My Concours only has like a 345 watt and is able to handle a vest and some other accessories with no problem. I can also run the high-beam all day with no ill effects - and the Connie is noted for J-box (Relay/Fuse box) failures under load. Electric gear is designed to be worn near the skin, under the outer layer. So, you would normally wear something like normal street clothes, electric gear, outer protective gear. If you are just riding, you might go with long johns (tops and bottoms) then the electrics and then the outer wear. Leather or textile - your choice. I find that my textile coat works best with my electric vest, but I wouldn't mind a nice leather coat for cold weather. I don't do other electrics, so I can't speak to them. I do like armored, insulated, textile overpants for cold weather riding, though. Perry >From: "Judy La Follette" >To: >Subject: Re: Electrics >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:16:00 -0500 > >Ok, my questions and concerns on the Heated Clothing . . . . > >It appears to me that the Gerbing's Ultimate Jacket & Pants fit over top of >your normal clothes (jeans, etc.). Are you all not wearing leather at >all??? > >They have Gerbing's Liners. I guess these are what would be worn under >leathers? If one is wearing full leathers, it appears that the pant liners >may rise up your legs--when the leathers are snug. The pant liners seem to >have more of a loose fit verses a type spandex fit. I have two sets of >full leathers. One, I call my winter leathers, because they are actually a >man's size small and are very loose--too big. I can wear sweat pants, >sweat shirts, etc. underneath with the winter leathers. The other pair I >consider my summer leathers, because they are tight--honestly, too small. >I would love to wear the summer leathers with the Gerbing's liners, but >believe the leathers are too tight. How do you all wear these Gerbing >things--over, under? > >I am guessing if you wore the full suit over full leathers, you would not >feel the heat--or would it still keep you warm? Their liners indicate, >"[n]ew sizing and improved patterns mean that the liners will fit even more >snugly to the body, providing more accessible heat while fitting more >easily under outer garments." If you guys always talk about protection, I >get the feeling that the leathers are tossed and regular clothes are >worn??? Do you all carry an extra sweatshirt just in case the bike dies or >something goes wrong with the electrics? > >If you had the whole operation--either full outfit or jacket and pants, >socks, gloves, etc.--would a 748 (Ducati) have the strength or power to >support them? I was told by Ducati (after I blew two rectifiers) that the >bike was designed for the track, and did not have the extra electrical >stuff to run my headlight on high beam during the day--which is what they >said was blowing the rectifiers (I believe it needed a heat shield, too). > >Gimer, did you do something special to your bike to use your Gerbings? Do >you have the whole outfit, etc.? > >Bottom line--I want to weather full leathers, be warm, and not have the >bulk. > >Thanks in advance, > >Judy > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kirk Roy > >Check out the Gerbing stuff. A jacket is much better than a vest. Contact >Mike Vlahos, in Mt. Airy, MD: >http://www.gerbing.com/pages/dealers/thedealers/MDmtairy.html > > _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 15:11:59 2004 From: Kirk Roy To: Subject: Re: Irony Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:11:51 -0500 Dave Yates wrote: SNIP > And Al Gore said, "From my lockbox, let there spring forth > a Sysadmin who can give this thing some power" And the > Benevloent DCC List master Harry sprang forth and imbued > DC Cycles server with power and form. Dave, you forget that Jeff begat Harry. In the time before time there was Jeff, standing alone in the mastery of the DCC list. When Jeff looked upon the firmament and, seeing that it was good, he packed up and moved out of town leaving Harry holding the bag. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 15:18:57 2004 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:18:35 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Irony To: Kirk Roy Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I wrote: >SNIP >> And Al Gore said, "From my lockbox, let there spring forth >> a Sysadmin who can give this thing some power" And the >> Benevloent DCC List master Harry sprang forth and imbued >> DC Cycles server with power and form. Then Kirk Pontificated: >Dave, you forget that Jeff begat Harry. In the time before time there was Jeff, standing alone in the mastery of the DCC list. When Jeff looked upon the firmament and, seeing that it was good, he packed up and moved out of town leaving Harry holding the bag. [Dave] Kirk, only the fringe extremists of our sect believe that Jeff fairy tale. Let's just say I'm not drinking the cool aid at any gathering where they are present... Heretic ;-p Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 15:51:24 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 2 Questions - Denim Vest, and Tix in Montgomery County Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:50:54 -0500 Louis, Instead of getting an actual denim vest (which shouldn't be *that* hard to find - check western wear shops in the area) how about taking a classic denim jacket and cutting off the sleeves? You then apply your colors, er, patches, to that and wear it over your leathers. Buy a size or two larger to ensure that it will fit properly over the leather jacket. Perry >From: "Louis F. Caplan" >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: 2 Questions - Denim Vest, and Tix in Montgomery County >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:19:26 -0800 (PST) > >I've recently joined a motorcycle club with a patch that I'd like to wear. >I'm >not really a leather vest kind of guy, but I'd like to find a nice denim >vest, >preferably blue, but black could work as well. However, in my on-line >searches, I haven't been able to find anything. I have seen people wearing >them. Does anyone know where would be a good place to look for something >like >this? > > >Off topic, my wife got her first performance award yesterday in Rockville. >17 >over (25 mph zone). She said the tix is for $65 and some points, I haven't >seen it yet. (the police officer said since it was a first offense, it >wasn't >as bad). I know in Fairfax, going to court is basically useless, as the >judges >rarely budge, but other places they can give you traffic schools and other >things. Is Rockville/Montgomery County one of these places? > >Fortunately the police woman who pulled my wife over was in a good mood. >My >wife comes from NYC, and when she's upset, pulls a typical NY attitude. >She >told me that she told the police officer that people on the beltway are >going >90 mph, so why are the bothering her, etc. Oy!! The officer just said "I >know, and slow down" and left. > >Thanks for any comments on either of the above. > >Louis > > >===== >"Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA >Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation >http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm > _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 17:31:40 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Nfx5ddCxrTyzdcmcNYuBBh7myhJgiHIbKtNlcnGgsRumf0sw7UNLT9Vqzmkze12YeDbZBdOK+ZTHrvDl2EmRxtQ8JzJOSOOG5lUk98LiB27s3bDsHnstfV1nlSiYxSC0YwZsGhqOSJ/gMRp/vTNwC1uHE0OcIVUuU4IjVC8pHfA= ; Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:31:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: 2 Questions - Denim Vest, and Tix in Montgomery County To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Louis, > > Instead of getting an actual denim vest (which shouldn't be *that* hard to > find - check western wear shops in the area) how about taking a classic > denim jacket and cutting off the sleeves? You then apply your colors, er, > patches, to that and wear it over your leathers. Buy a size or two larger to > ensure that it will fit properly over the leather jacket. > > Perry I did that once a while ago, for boy scout patches I think, but the sleeves on a jacket leave a bigger hole for the arm, and it wound up looking terrible, and the material looked frazzled. I'd rather find something made for the purpose. Thanks for the idea though. ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 18:41:56 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=FYfq7L5sP0C0JJfj6ntBub1yl19lfmSzxQv9rhvt1eIl3p6ODw502YYdY3siB8BQ9od3tzj72X8CLZvCDalEEquMwYi5CeL8Zt4IGJaTrOV6ui0sUMdASu/CZ1GHeaiMKKm0VKsAWT1Vnb/aOw7Cki9W03wtGGNMOTrXiqEe1As= Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:41:52 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2 Questions - Denim Vest, and Tix in Montgomery County > I did that once a while ago, for boy scout patches I think, but the sleeves on > a jacket leave a bigger hole for the arm, and it wound up looking terrible, and > the material looked frazzled. I'd rather find something made for the purpose. Have you no sense of tradition!? The only proper article of clothing for Colors is a denim jacket with the sleeves hacked off. Sniff! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 18:43:33 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Z2Dzrbip9gYv4kAcFO/zT7qqoRHLzG2HapyyBzHmCLIqRJGq0KCHC1SPMB4l2AtTU6RuY3/apr8srgzST2+uUKvAqIhkuATvTlR7c17bX6oy23GfvMOF02ncUNbortB2oFMzDdcRXaNhcwjPoRf4bj0FkyxlXX/uB2yA69FeT+k= Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:43:25 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Concours Dale & Louis - two articles in the latest Rider magazine - a road test and a retrospective type piece. Thought that you'd like to know. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 10 19:38:50 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Concours Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:37:55 -0500 And very good articles they are... Perry ('92 Concours) >From: Michael Jordan >Reply-To: Michael Jordan >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Concours >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:43:25 -0500 > >Dale & Louis - two articles in the latest Rider magazine - a road test >and a retrospective type piece. > >Thought that you'd like to know. > >Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 11 05:20:47 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:18:38 -0500 Subject: Electrics From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net You might consider the following set up which I have found works very well for me on my 45-60 minuet commute. I use the Gerbing gloves and sox. My hands feet were always what got cold. I manage to keep the core warm with fleece and down. I installed this set up yesterday AM and found it was actually too warm. Had to unplug the gloves at a traffic light. It is a little fussy to get all the cords run, but I think has the advantage of using minimal electricity while providing plenty of warmth. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 11 06:40:55 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=gznkfeL1blM8wLmtXptNrpPq7GbYhqE6sl5WoO4tWGr1Ca0y+XvLYk5os3ARnYDXRKuRUThDEgRb25axTywwy5LZa/A5Sa2uA4i/BweD7LGUZdbZJlHI0QjLEOlr0BAfqZGJ9nB0F2qWhY0sKyXG3mKdkYXoDJMSdRAOyFoKDNk= ; Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 03:40:06 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Electrics To: "'dc Cycles'" I've been using electric clothes for a lot of years on a lot of different bikes. The setup that offered the most warmth at the right places was having a 3 way controller for vest, gloves and socks. I've never had an alternator that could heat all of them at once, so I mounted the controller above the left handlebar, the vest was on a thermostat, the gloves and socks were on lighted switches. While riding it was easy to monitor the voltage and adjust heat to where it was needed. I used a flat four-wire trailer connector with a common ground to go from the bike to inside my Aerostich suit. Inside the suit, the three connectors were color coded to the switches. At one point, I had two different brands of vest, so that connector had both a non-polarized Widder connector and the SAE style connector that Gerbings and others use. Right now, I've got a dual controller for vest and gloves. The controller is in a jacket pocket. It's more difficult to control the heat that way, but with multiple bikes, it's a lot cheaper than buying so many thermostats and switches. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 11 17:53:00 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=jtwGDcsxZqlBWd6YAzsjMG23dNDmcO+IryP7rVHu2yES3bbDKRMxRAP++WR+oJ02QHFX/6XRHcM8lCy0ouHcgJBnI7dnZyJpPRINhme9RFS/OmV2qfl7ypFkvpcjoMMIVHrYYI0uQfkAVaDNdy9qLlm4eR4+23+3VfupHHHgpu4= Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:52:55 -0600 From: J D To: Troutman Subject: Re: Electrics Cc: dc Cycles On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:30:52 -0500, Troutman wrote: > This summer I put an outdoor 12v adapter on the VFR, and I am ready to buy > electrics and new boots. Primarily I want a vest and gloves, but I am open > to suggestion. I will be using the 12v to 'power' my tank bag, so the > electrics will all plug into the bag. I believe another lister uses this > same configuration - which is a great idea. I can power my GPS and cell > phone charger along with heated clothing. > I went through last winter with the Gerbing gloves & jacket liner. On the very cold days < 20 my thumbs would get cool to cold after about 30 min. My commute was about 30 min. so this worked out ok. Once it got into the teens I needed to add a fleece jacket over the jacket liner, and under the aerostitch. Now that my commute is more in the 60-90 minute range I just picked up heated pants liners and glove liners. I've talked to the folks at Gerbing and they readily acknowledge their glove is a mid-weight. They feel that some insulation plus heat is better than a very bulky glove, which I agree with until it gets very cold. My plan for this winter is to goto a heavy-weight glove with the heated liner inside the glove. Think of the heated liner as a thin nylon mesh with heating elements it adds very little bulk, and can be worn under normal gloves. I believe this will make for a more comfortable hand warming arrangement as I can get a highly insulated glove for the cold stuff, and I also can move it from glove to glove. There are plenty of rainy 40 degree days I'd love to have my rain gloves heated, but don't, but will soon =) I'm on a BMW with heated grips, but they are not so great in the very cold. I like them quite a bit for the spring/fall riding where during the day an uninsulated leather glove is all you need, but in the early morning / evenings its a bit chilly, and having the ability to put some heat into the hands is nice. However, in the winter with heavy gloves on I can not even tell the grip heaters are running. My suggestion is to get the gloves & jacket liner and dual control thermostat. I've found that since I can get heat into my torso other parts of my body are much less cold. You may find with torso heat, that your cool foot problem goes away. If you are somewhere on the NoVA side of DC I'd be happy to stop by and show you the gear and the heat it can put out. After a winter with electrics I don't know why I didn't do this sooner. I got my initial setup from Mike Vlahos who was SUPER to deal with... I highly recommend going to see him to get fitted and try out the gear. If you can take the time to go up to Mt Airy to see him its worth the trip. -J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 11 19:43:24 2004 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:41:16 -0500 Subject: Translation for e mail From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net I have German pal who is currently traveling in South America. He has sent me several e mails in German. I know how to get websites translated. How to e mails translated from German to English ? Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 11 22:06:30 2004 X-Superb-Authentication: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:06:19 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: Electrics X-Spam-Level: All you guys who have electrics on your bikes for heated gloves, jackets, pants, socks, etc. need to check out some of the more advanced clothing that is offered out there. A good thermal underlayer, mid-layer and wool or good fleece top layer and waterproof "leathers" should be all you need for temps down into the teens on rides up to 1/2 or more. I don't have any electric clothes and ride to work 52 weeks a year, about 30-40 minutes each way. "Silk" undies, a good thermal shirt (no cotton or rayon), etc. are all light years more advanced than they were just 5 years ago. Now, don't get me wrong, having electrics is nice, but it isn't the only game in town. Plus, I would hate to be 100 miles from home and have the fuse blow or the jacket short out and face a long cold ride home. On the subject of gloves: Some MC gloves are insulated on the outside more than the inside of the palm, giving good wind resistance and control feel. Heated grips (which came on my bike) are OK, but I am at work before they have a chance to heat up the handle bars on a frosty morning). The one piece of safety equipment that I find essential when it gets cold is a no-fog liner for my visor. Without it one good hot breath can blind me for 10-15 seconds. The fog shield prevents that on even the coldest days. Chubber From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 12 00:02:11 2004 Subject: RE: Translation for e mail Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:02:09 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: http://www.google.com/language_tools - Just cut and paste mein Freund. :) --smthng > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob McKeithen [mailto:bmckeithen@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 7:41 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Translation for e mail > > I have German pal who is currently traveling in South > America. He has sent me several e mails in German. I know how > to get websites translated. > How to e mails translated from German to English ? > > Bob > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 12 07:21:17 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=BDkAI0+ctMITy4jIXHruwFbn/PNNKEFMriRAqWPGgQ9S6u7PiGFGEC/R0CWcFp7rB+ZjhVd5QpwJQvxeZjZ3U4FuXlrXa1xFucN79eD5+u0/VI41zUpNJK/isae3l0JowfMXJt7FbO38NTFvfZPvsY9kgPcLd/m6EP0Iqa8Psuk= ; Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 04:20:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Electrics To: Chris Chubb , dc-cycles@XXXXXX i think most folks here with electrics combine them with thin layers of appropriate fabric. i used to use fabrics only. this year (gerbings liner acquired), i'm finally happy. as for fog shields, you can keep 'em. the compromise on vision (compare after removing) is substantial, in my eyes. --- Chris Chubb wrote: > All you guys who have electrics on your bikes for heated > gloves, jackets, > pants, socks, etc. need to check out some of the more > advanced clothing > that is offered out there. A good thermal underlayer, > mid-layer and wool or > good fleece top layer and waterproof "leathers" should be > all you need for > temps down into the teens on rides up to 1/2 or more. I > don't have any > electric clothes and ride to work 52 weeks a year, about > 30-40 minutes each > way. "Silk" undies, a good thermal shirt (no cotton or > rayon), etc. are all > light years more advanced than they were just 5 years > ago. > > Now, don't get me wrong, having electrics is nice, but it > isn't the only > game in town. Plus, I would hate to be 100 miles from > home and have the > fuse blow or the jacket short out and face a long cold > ride home. > > On the subject of gloves: Some MC gloves are insulated on > the outside more > than the inside of the palm, giving good wind resistance > and control feel. > Heated grips (which came on my bike) are OK, but I am at > work before they > have a chance to heat up the handle bars on a frosty > morning). > > The one piece of safety equipment that I find essential > when it gets cold > is a no-fog liner for my visor. Without it one good hot > breath can blind me > for 10-15 seconds. The fog shield prevents that on even > the coldest days. > > Chubber > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 12 08:43:13 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:43:08 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: dc Cycles Subject: heated glove liner? Who sells a heated glove liner? Sounds really nice. thanks, Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: J D ... >My plan for this winter is to goto a heavy-weight glove with the >heated liner inside the glove. Think of the heated liner as a thin >nylon mesh with heating elements it adds very little bulk, and can be >worn under normal gloves. ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 12 08:43:28 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:43:24 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: dc Cycles Subject: heated glove liner? Who sells a heated glove liner? Sounds really nice. thanks, Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: J D ... >My plan for this winter is to goto a heavy-weight glove with the >heated liner inside the glove. Think of the heated liner as a thin >nylon mesh with heating elements it adds very little bulk, and can be >worn under normal gloves. ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 12 10:29:07 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=hQVVgyOe+L9sH7VYk4YGTDKDLShHn/UGknKr1O0ClxBZM6WtBOQgv7K+O7W2qQkk9msK8E7weR3meWEc9veZehMo/OpjE/EBzxTnHpM8khXIQzEHdpTm0h07kwHkpb+KWMPEcFWW2NURHLlkYpiViqM627NiPLpD84ADy/QmhEw= Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:28:47 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Electrics Yes, I use *both* thin layers (usually bicycle stuff) and electrics. As Chubber points out, in cause of a failure, you don't want to have insufficient warmth. [Carry spare fuses, and I have the rebuildable Widder plugs.] OTOH, I'm not giving up my 'lectrics any day soon. There's a big gap between it being "tolerable" and being "pleasant." Sure, I can tolerate a ride w/o electrics when it's 20, (and usually do for the short ride to work) but it will sure be a lot more pleasant with electrics for longer rides. Not to mention the fatiguing effects of the cold. Think of it like your home. All the insulation in the world isn't going to keep you warm if the furnace isn't putting out enough BTUs. I'm with Gimer on the fog shields too. You can keep 'em. PITA, didn't work very well, scratched very easily and I hated the "starburst" effect after dark. Threw my last Fog City in the trash and never looked back. On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 04:20:32 -0800 (PST), Tom Gimer wrote: > i think most folks here with electrics combine them with > thin layers of appropriate fabric. i used to use fabrics > only. this year (gerbings liner acquired), i'm finally > happy. > > as for fog shields, you can keep 'em. the compromise on > vision (compare after removing) is substantial, in my eyes. > > > > > --- Chris Chubb wrote: > > > All you guys who have electrics on your bikes for heated > > gloves, jackets, > > pants, socks, etc. need to check out some of the more > > advanced clothing > > that is offered out there. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 12 11:04:23 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:03:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Electrics At 04:20 AM 11/12/04 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: >as for fog shields, you can keep 'em. the compromise on >vision (compare after removing) is substantial, in my eyes. I haven't found one of the "anti-fog" wax/spray products that work very well either. The ones I've tried tend to just make the water bead up, so it's like looking through a rain-covered sheild rather than a fog-covered one...perhaps an improvement of a sort, but not very good. As an experiment last winter I tried using a plastic tube to breathe through...that way breath was exhausted out of the helmet, rather than into it. No fogging. The problem is breath more than anything else...if that leaves the helmet you don't get fog problems. I'm considering ways to make that happen...without the "snorkel" tube. If I come up with anything workable, I'll let you know. I have a couple of ideas to try out now that it's getting cold again. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 12 11:42:08 2004 From: "Paul Hutchins" To: "'Chris Chubb'" , Subject: RE: Electrics Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:41:16 -0500 Most of the 'outdoor' active wear (or advanced clothing as you call it) is built with the premise that you are generating body heat by activity. Riding a motorcycle doesn't really cut it in terms of building up body heat. Proper use of electrics in motorcycling or snowmobiling is really taking your low-tech (passive) mid-layer and replacing it with a heat-generating (i.e., much more effective) mid-layer. I ski. I rarely wear more than a 100wt. Windstopper fleece with a shell over top when skiing, even in the teens. I've been fine at Stowe with 200wt. mid-layer in -5 to -10 F. But, the very act of skiing generates much more body heat than sitting on my gas-powered 'couch'. On the bike, I wear 'advanced' base layers underneath my electric jacket. I have 'winter' gloves with heated grips. If I go on a real ride (i.e., not commuting), I take an 'advanced' mid-layer as a back-up. The bottom line is one does not generate enough body heat to counter the effects of exposure (wind-chill) on the bike. There is a readily accessible power source between your legs, so why not use it to provide maximum comfort? -Paul -----Original Message----- From: Chris Chubb [mailto:cchubb@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Electrics All you guys who have electrics on your bikes for heated gloves, jackets, pants, socks, etc. need to check out some of the more advanced clothing that is offered out there. A good thermal underlayer, mid-layer and wool or good fleece top layer and waterproof "leathers" should be all you need for temps down into the teens on rides up to 1/2 or more. I don't have any electric clothes and ride to work 52 weeks a year, about 30-40 minutes each way. "Silk" undies, a good thermal shirt (no cotton or rayon), etc. are all light years more advanced than they were just 5 years ago. Now, don't get me wrong, having electrics is nice, but it isn't the only game in town. Plus, I would hate to be 100 miles from home and have the fuse blow or the jacket short out and face a long cold ride home. -snip- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 12 11:51:53 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:51:47 -0500 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Electrics Paul Hutchins wrote: > > The bottom line is one does not generate enough body heat to counter the > effects of exposure (wind-chill) on the bike. There is a readily accessible > power source between your legs, so why not use it to provide maximum > comfort? Since I have a water cooled bike, I've been giving consideration to making a "wet suit" that attaches to the cooling system of the bike. Upside, it's "free" heat. Downside, if it springs a leak, you're gonna be wet _and_ cold. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 12 11:52:25 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Igi55RP8YaoEpZtz/4EoNZV4wrhczdS/S1YcAS1L062VZk82eDGip43IEQkeZv9Px/Du+frJzfQ0jss3HGQ4Vt4l7OFtUs5KYn+hvXzNbZnu/VHJW2Kvo9MgnMy+de6i8Bk1dHg9fOhAlDdqyBq+A6lfRBSeBmRjc2UIjTrDaB4= Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:52:17 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Electrics Most "outdoor winter activities" are not subject to 60-70 mph wind blasts either. It's one of the adjustments I had to make moving from pedal bikes to gasoline ones. In an intensive physical activity, you have gobs of body heat to throw away. Not so on a motorcycle. So, you've got two problems: enormous heat loss due to the wind and a less productive internal "furnace." On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:41:16 -0500, Paul Hutchins wrote: > Most of the 'outdoor' active wear (or advanced clothing as you call it) is > built with the premise that you are generating body heat by activity. > > On the bike, I wear 'advanced' base layers underneath my electric jacket. I > have 'winter' gloves with heated grips. If I go on a real ride (i.e., not > commuting), I take an 'advanced' mid-layer as a back-up. > > The bottom line is one does not generate enough body heat to counter the > effects of exposure (wind-chill) on the bike. There is a readily accessible > power source between your legs, so why not use it to provide maximum > comfort? > > -Paul -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 12 12:04:25 2004 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.55) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 Nov 2004 17:04:16 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:04:16 -0500 Subject: Restraint Paul Hinton wrote: "...There is a readily accessible power source between your legs, so why not use it to provide maximum comfort?" Boy, am I being mature. It's been a struggle. You're welcome. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 12 12:06:23 2004 Subject: RE: Electrics Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:06:18 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Paul Wilson" , > Most "outdoor winter activities" are not subject to 60-70 mph > wind blasts either. It's one of the adjustments I had to > make moving from pedal bikes to gasoline ones. In an > intensive physical activity, you have gobs of body heat to > throw away. Not so on a motorcycle. So, you've got two > problems: enormous heat loss due to the wind and a less > productive internal "furnace." Maybe "most" people aren't as insane as I am, but it's not uncommon at all for me to be in major winds when skiing or winter mountain biking (add ice and water crossings on the mountain bike). I wouldn't be surprised to find out that I'm generating 60-70 mph winds in either activity when I'm on a major downhill. My body heat makes up for it. I've even had several very active ski trips where I've had to wear a jacket up the slopes and then strip down to one layer of heavy fleece on the way down, even though winds were high and temps were below freezing. Actually DOING something makes a HUGE difference and most outdoor gear is designed for that. My favorite pair of MC gloves were actually originally bought for skiing. They were TOO hot for skiing, but are perfect for the bike. Unfortunately, they're a little too small for a liner and they're starting to split. :( Oddly enough, they aren't ski gloves and are also designed for a "sport" that isn't physically demanding... Diving. Cold temperatures, air tight and thick (they're deep sea diving gloves, used for treasure hunting and could handle breaking off coral without puncturing). Just my two cents, but I definitely agree about the inactivity of being on a bike as being part of the problem. Since Paul has so nicely summed up that thought in a way that I can understand it, I may just start seriously consider going with some electric gear. I'd never really "realized" that before. Thanks Paul. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 12 12:09:02 2004 Subject: RE: Restraint Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:09:00 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > Boy, am I being mature. It's been a struggle. You're a better man than I... > "...There is a readily accessible power source between your > legs, so why not use it to provide maximum comfort?" Isn't that generally every warm-blooded man's purpose in life? --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 12 12:43:21 2004 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:43:16 -0500 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Restraint "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > > > Boy, am I being mature. It's been a struggle. > > You're a better man than I... > > > "...There is a readily accessible power source between your > > legs, so why not use it to provide maximum comfort?" > > Isn't that generally every warm-blooded man's purpose in life? > > --smthng Next time I get a knock on the window with the windows steamed up, I'll answer the question, "Just providing aid and comfort to a lady in distress." --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 12 13:35:26 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=5Bia2RU4oMKqDKBpoD1UNWtr5584XXoW2CtQsvhzj06KLRur+ZzQ0pb6XOBO2aveDU/kOrYCEdixJQzhTyqk+fqFUlLQdQ/4mON7Lh1bUlxmeZfdrRVtXMPoPKPXfWLwxoPAQSwatOSkQuk5ev9HBBeNxjMZnJKrcKV+ZrwpAKE= ; Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:35:20 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Electrics To: Chris Chubb , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Can you give some examples of this wonder clothing? I'm interested. I don't worry too much about failure of electric clothes. It's pretty easy to do without electrics for up to an hour. In that hour one can usually get to someplace warm. After that a six hour trip takes 9 hours because warming up every hour takes an additional half hour of time. Leon Begeman --- Chris Chubb wrote: > I don't have any > electric clothes and ride to work 52 weeks a year, > about 30-40 minutes each > way. "Silk" undies, a good thermal shirt (no cotton > or rayon), etc. are all > light years more advanced than they were just 5 > years ago. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 12 15:34:00 2004 X-SpaceNet-Authentification: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:34:02 -0500 To: Leon Begeman From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: Electrics Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Level: Some of my "wonder" clothes aren't even all that new. Just selected for their ability to keep you warm while not moving around all that much. Think enough to fit under the protective layer and thick enough to be warm. Layers are the answer. Cotton is the killer. #1 on my list is a pair of the military surplus German wool pants. Tight weave, high in the back, exceptionally warm and good for sitting still in the cold. I have a pair I use for hunting and if it works below freezing, without moving, sitting on a cold rock for 3-4 hours, it will work fine on a bike. Polypro long undies, those wool pants and my Joe Rocket waterproof pants are my normal long distance riding lower set. Up top I usually wear polypro or military ECWS brown underwear, a "coolmax" turtleneck, a windstopper fleece jacket (This is new and combines the wind proofness of GoreTex with good fleece) and my Joe Rocket Ballistic jacket. The ECWS only comes out for rides under 30 degrees. The polypro undies for rides under 40. If I don't want to wear my fleece, I will usually wear my genuine "wooly pully" sweater. It is thin enough to go under the jacket and very warm when riding. I have Tourmaster winter gloves and Montrail hiking boots, non-insulated nubuck. I wear a silk undersock and a wool sock. I have never worn a balaclava when riding, but I do wear one hunting. I have worn this type of outfit for rides up to 8 hours (1 lunch break) at well below freezing temps without much discomfort. I have a windshield on my bike and I put on BMW GS offroad hand protectors when the temps drop below freezing consistently. I usually get cold easily, so it has behooved me to find stuff that keeps me warm. Some other winter riding tips: Seal out leaks in your helmet. I have a flip-up Nolan N100 and I cover the chin vents with tape in the winter. Bring a lozenge to suck on while riding to keep the dry air from making your throat sore. Exposed skin will frostbite at low temps and high speeds, so be alert to "cracks" in your armor. Drink plenty of fluids, and coffee isn't the best answer. (Coffee warms you up because you have to stop at gas stations every hour...) Stay alert for black ice. Rising temps are much more dangerous than falling temps. Rising temps turn snow into water which turns into black ice. Low circulation will cool you faster, so keep stretched out as you ride, relaxing muscles and doing isometric exercises to keep the blood flowing. Hey, if someone gave me $250 and told me that I had to buy electric clothes with it, I prob. wouldn't argue. But I have a bike that is simple to work on and simple to ride. I don't want to make things more complicated than they have to be. My biggest problem is that I am moving to Florida next summer. What am I going to do with all this gear? Chris At 01:35 PM 11/12/2004, you wrote: >Can you give some examples of this wonder clothing? >I'm interested. > >I don't worry too much about failure of electric >clothes. It's pretty easy to do without electrics for >up to an hour. In that hour one can usually get to >someplace warm. After that a six hour trip takes 9 >hours because warming up every hour takes an >additional half hour of time. > > >Leon Begeman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 12 15:36:10 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:35:55 EST Subject: Re: Electrics To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I bought some Under Armour ColdGear last year for under my clothes and they work GREAT. _www.underarmour.com_ (http://www.underarmour.com) You can get them in just about any sporting goods store. I also have some of the HeatGear stuff for warmer weather. Really helps under leathers and actually does what it says it will do. A lot of pro athletes wear them. Scooter In a message dated 11/12/2004 1:35:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, mriderleon@XXXXXX writes: Can you give some examples of this wonder clothing? I'm interested. I don't worry too much about failure of electric clothes. It's pretty easy to do without electrics for up to an hour. In that hour one can usually get to someplace warm. After that a six hour trip takes 9 hours because warming up every hour takes an additional half hour of time. Leon Begeman --- Chris Chubb wrote: > I don't have any > electric clothes and ride to work 52 weeks a year, > about 30-40 minutes each > way. "Silk" undies, a good thermal shirt (no cotton > or rayon), etc. are all > light years more advanced than they were just 5 > years ago. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 12 19:02:13 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Electrics Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:01:01 -0500 Chris, I am also experienced with appropriate layering for cold weather activities including (in addition to motorcycling) hunting, skiing, mountain climbing and backpacking. And I will say again that upon getting electrics just about the first words out of my mouth were "Why did I wait so long?" Perry Of course, moving to Florida would appear to reduce your need for such gear, in any event. That is until your blood thins to the point that 60 degrees has you reacing for the cold weather gear... ;^) >From: Chris Chubb >To: Leon Begeman >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Electrics >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:34:02 -0500 > [snip] >I have worn this type of outfit for rides up to 8 hours (1 lunch break) at >well below freezing temps without much discomfort. I have a windshield on >my bike and I put on BMW GS offroad hand protectors when the temps drop >below freezing consistently. I usually get cold easily, so it has behooved >me to find stuff that keeps me warm. > [snip] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 13 10:12:16 2004 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: hit and run on m/c-ist foiled Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:12:13 -0500 http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/frontpage_lead/story/17243 This is a pretty rural area compared to the Eastern US. Payson is a good sized town by Arizona standards--10k or 15k people. Pretty area--pine trees, canyons, twisty two-lane blacktop. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 13 14:23:17 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Undergear at Ski Show (was Re: Electrics) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:22:52 -0500 The discussion of clothing layers reminds me that the annual area ski show is at Chantilly this weekend. Probably purveyors of fleece, johns, wickers, and warmies of most kinds, IIRC. Also a [luscious] Warren Miller movie, promos say. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > My seat twitches thinking about a Miller movie. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 13 14:38:11 2004 Subject: Wonderful Beast revisited Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:38:08 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: , This is another long winded one and probably the last one I'll crosspost to both of my now regular lists... Basically, I've had the FJR for a week now and it's out of it's first break in period. I thought I'd give you all some more of my thoughts on it and address some of the points that I brought up in the previous post. The first break in period for the FJR suggests staying below 5000 rpm for 600 miles. The second period recommends staying below 6000 for an additional 400 miles. I'm in the second one, so I have an extra 1k to play with that wasn't entirely "safe" before. Keep in mind that this is for a 1300 cc inline 4 engine with a shaft drive. The tach goes up to 11k with redline starting at 9k, so there's still plenty of room left to play in once I'm out of the break in. So, without further delay, here's my thoughts on the various aspects of the FJR to date. Engine: Still got gobs of power! This thing pulls like a freight train and moves like a rocket. Very impressive for the size of it. Engine response is very smooth and very crisp. The fuel injection and automatic choke are both very nice. No stumbling, no hesitation, it just does what you tell it to do. It's very easy to hit ludicrous speeds without realizing it. Of course, it's easier to do so when you do realize it. :) Tranny: Much better now. I guess it needed some miles to kind of settle in and situate itself correctly. It's nowhere near as "clunky" as it was and is feeling much more like it's part of the FJR instead of being an "extra" piece (I mentioned this in my previous post). Clutch: Still odd, but better. I'm just not a big fan of the feel of hydraulic clutches. I have no complaints about it working, it just feels odd coming off of a mechanical clutch. Brakes: The feel of the brakes is still soft and mushy, but not as bad as initially. I can't honestly tell if they've "firmed up" or if it's just me getting used to it. I can say, however, that they work. It does stop quite nicely. I'm also quite glad I got the ABS version (so is my neighbor's cat - he was the first "target" to test them). They really work and they don't get in the way until you need them. I can still see me eventually replacing all the clutch and brake lines with steel braids in order to try and get them both a bit firmer. Handling: Phenomenal for a bike this size. It's much smoother than my FZ1 was. There's no real "transition" into or out of turns... the FJR just does it. I had some nice S curves and also a few decreasing sweepers out in West Virginia and the FJR feels a lot more stable in the turns than anything else I've been on, with the possible exception of my old YZF 600. It's just planted to the road no matter what you're doing to it. It also switches very easily when doing S curves.... you can just throw it right over for the next curve and it's there. I was very surprised by this. It definitely retains a lot of "sport" in the sport touring. The only complaint I still have is low speed handling. It's way heavy and a bit unpredictable in parking lot maneuvers. Once above 20 mph though, it feels like it suddenly sheds a couple hundred pounds. Be very sure your feet are well planted when stopping. Fairing guards (sliders) will be added very soon. I'm sure I'm going to drop it one of these days. Ergonomics: Here's my only real "complaint" and it's probably more my fault than the bike. The bars are a bit too far forward or a bit too low. Not really sure which, but I'm reasonably certain that risers will fix it. Of course, that's the only option since the bars are hard mounted individual stems, not an actual "bar" that can be adjusted. I'm a tad on the short side though, so it's probably just me. I'm actually going to try a Corbin seat first and see if that makes a difference (I just like Corbins, it doesn't really NEED one, IMO). Other than that, I've gotten used to all the "bits" and like the general fit of everything. The windshield rocks! It adjusts up far enough to pretty much remove all helmet buffeting at up to about 70 mph (as long as there's clear air in front - forget about it when behind a cage). I can very comfortably ride without ear plugs on the FJR, although I'd probably use them and drop the windshield in the summer. Noises: The birds are settling down... There aren't quite as many whines and chirps as there were initially. Many are going away slowly, I assume as parts are getting polished and/or settling in to the correct tolerances. However, I can tell there are a couple that are permanent (like the downshift harmonica sound from the driveline), but they're ok. Still needs just a bit more "oomph" from the exhaust, IMO, but I'll wait till I can try out the full range on the tach before committing to that. Luggage: It's so nice not to have to worry about tailbags, bungee cords, waterproof packs, etc. The sidebags are very nice and feel VERY secure (each one closes at four different latching points - all with one very solid lever!). I added a Givi topcase as well, since I have to take a rather large laptop to the office every day and also plan on making several extended journeys next spring. It's nice to have the space to carry stuff. :) Anyway, those are the specifics. In general... an amazing bike and I'm damn glad I got it. :) Thanks mostly to the FJR list and forum, I'm still finding out more about it with every ride and growing to love it even more! --smthng 'Nuff typing... must ride! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 13 20:22:33 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=jIAWbXu6YeIVLzrl9zjDQH8kO1WHqmkn5qz8FMqvAh/EEWqBxKjcW7y8CrY6olh3HRO95/hvdP28TOcZX4Z98Ob5Q4Uyy6FsJN7EJXSZ4fnaRs+3N/+umtjcEmbXoxFsN1UP8bDt6opvWVkoCHupxFKYBNhdAmuruWanP3TU+OU= Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:22:29 -0500 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: hit and run on m/c-ist foiled > http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/frontpage_lead/story/17243 > > This is a pretty rural area compared to the Eastern US. Payson is a good > sized town by Arizona standards--10k or 15k people. Pretty area--pine > trees, canyons, twisty two-lane blacktop. Glad to see they didn't get away with it, but I'm truly torqued that they will most likely get a smack on the hand for being minors. Even though it does seem like the rider will be okay, hit and run is no small thing and I think Johnny Law should come down on them REAL hard. If a licensed 20 year old did that, he'd be going away for quite a while I'm sure (although maybe not as long as your average senetor or congressman, but that's a discussion for another time). --smthng 'I can't think of anything to put here this time that doesn't make me seem utterly cruel and heartless. :| From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 13 20:30:12 2004 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:30:03 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: hit and run on m/c-ist foiled At 08:22 PM 11/13/2004, you wrote: > > > http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/frontpage_lead/story/17243 > > > > This is a pretty rural area compared to the Eastern > US. Payson is a good > > sized town by Arizona standards--10k or 15k > people. Pretty area--pine > > trees, canyons, twisty two-lane blacktop. > >Glad to see they didn't get away with it, but I'm truly >torqued that >they will most likely get a smack on the hand for being >minors. Even >though it does seem like the rider will be okay, hit and >run is no >small thing and I think Johnny Law should come down on >them REAL hard. > If a licensed 20 year old did that, he'd be going away > for quite a >while I'm sure (although maybe not as long as your average >senetor or >congressman, but that's a discussion for another time). > >--smthng well...if nothing else, I'd have a monstrous civil suit slapped on them, at least for the driver and that the little *itch that swapped seats with him. Don't know if mommy and daddy are rich or not but I guarantee you that by the time the suit is settled, they won't be. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 07:17:16 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:12:37 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: OT: VA used car registration Hi, Sorry for the OT, but I need quick info on registration of a bought out of state car. Yesterday I bought a VW jetta TDI on ebay. The car is in PA. How do I register the car? I believe I need safety and emissions inspection, before I can get tags. But I can't drive it without tags. Does the DMV issue temp tags? Thanks, Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 07:56:19 2004 From: "Bruce N" To: "De Boeser, Tom" , "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: VA used car registration Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:47:01 -0500 http://www.dmv.state.va.us/ Yes, VA DMV will issue a three day temp tag. You can do it online and print out the temp tag. https://www.dmv.state.va.us/dmvnet/trip_permit/intro.asp You do not need a safety inspection to register. It's actually the other way around. It has to have VA tags before performing a VA safety inspection. I'm not sure about emissions. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: OT: VA used car registration > Hi, > Sorry for the OT, but I need quick info on registration of a bought out > of state car. Yesterday I bought a VW jetta TDI on ebay. The car is in > PA. How do I register the car? I believe I need safety and emissions > inspection, before I can get tags. But I can't drive it without tags. > Does the DMV issue temp tags? > > Thanks, > > Tom de '03 ST1300 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 07:59:29 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=NvfCXlSYxlkPJyZ71XRacYzgKbBjgwfPtaXPlRBYmUcXQ8Xlk6emOqB0sIhDRTkCoyJKBvYsAMvUVXJLAR3JXMKwXnurdwkzryr2WwtIIE1w92AiqzFvHssjUqtvtSQ/RTbuBgsFy6PFX4Nm/lsys+KaAcijukIgMddGlDqXxxg= ; Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 04:59:20 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT: VA used car registration To: "De Boeser, Tom" , DC-CYCLES http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/vehicles/temp_permit.asp --- "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > Hi, > Sorry for the OT, but I need quick info on registration > of a bought > out of state car. Yesterday I bought a VW jetta TDI on > ebay. The car > is in PA. How do I register the car? I believe I need > safety and > emissions inspection, before I can get tags. But I can't > drive it > without tags. Does the DMV issue temp tags? > > Thanks, > > Tom de '03 ST1300 > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 08:37:28 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:32:53 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: Bruce N Cc: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: VA used car registration Thanks to all, the trip permit is perfect. Who knew it could be so easy? Tom de '03 ST Bruce N wrote: > http://www.dmv.state.va.us/ > > Yes, VA DMV will issue a three day temp tag. You can do it online and > print out the temp tag. > https://www.dmv.state.va.us/dmvnet/trip_permit/intro.asp > > You do not need a safety inspection to register. It's actually the > other way around. It has to have VA tags before performing a VA safety > inspection. > > I'm not sure about emissions. > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "De Boeser, Tom" > To: "DC-CYCLES" > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:12 AM > Subject: OT: VA used car registration > > >> Hi, >> Sorry for the OT, but I need quick info on registration of a bought >> out of state car. Yesterday I bought a VW jetta TDI on ebay. The >> car is in PA. How do I register the car? I believe I need safety >> and emissions inspection, before I can get tags. But I can't drive >> it without tags. Does the DMV issue temp tags? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tom de '03 ST1300 >> >> >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 08:47:20 2004 From: To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Re: VA used car registration Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 8:47:11 -0500 > > From: "De Boeser, Tom" > Date: 2004/11/16 Tue AM 09:32:53 EST > To: Bruce N > CC: DC-CYCLES > Subject: Re: VA used car registration > > Thanks to all, the trip permit is perfect. Who knew it could be so easy? > > Tom de '03 ST > that's one thing I do have to give credit to Va. DMV, they've seriously embraced the internet. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 08:51:36 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:51:32 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Re: VA used car registration To: DC-CYCLES > >that's one thing I do have to give credit to Va. DMV, >they've seriously embraced the internet. [Dave] And, we charge extra for it :-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 15:55:17 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:55:06 -0500 From: corey To: DC-CYCLES Subject: nolle prosequi X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - victory.vs4dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - egoinc.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Called in to check on my court date on monday for a MC speeding ticket and the clerk told me that my case had been tried last week and the final disposition was "nolle prosequi". seems like i'm off the hook, has anyone had experience with this? ___________________________________________ corey [journal] www.egoinc.org [portfolio] www.blanksky.com [forum] www.dcstreet.com Remember: First you pillage, then you burn. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 17:13:15 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=hTSBwnN/TrcOqQa3vepba6Ir0qnXCV097hFb4xi0xHRo6in68VeFKF4wMF8frA5+6pfFJd6ex1/EscSjGn/E4lLNAeUnX1tJJGwWUKn6l00iSZVLFpYDbPH0Xm6f/GnO6DsdgMZpN9UY4xKVeupjyPgdQEosK1Stm8AgQLg5cXM= ; Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:12:55 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: nolle prosequi To: corey , DC-CYCLES either this is an error (why you were not notified of the correct court date is a mystery, but a nolle pros without at least an appearance by the defendant is odd) or the state does not have any evidence to move forward (e.g., dead officer, lost records, etc.) i would not be entirely confident that the clerk you spoke to has the facts straight. --- corey wrote: > Called in to check on my court date on monday for a MC > speeding ticket > and the clerk told me that my case had been tried last > week and the > final disposition was "nolle prosequi". seems like i'm > off the hook, > has anyone had experience with this? > > ___________________________________________ > > corey > > [journal] www.egoinc.org > [portfolio] www.blanksky.com > [forum] www.dcstreet.com > > Remember: First you pillage, then you burn. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 17:16:14 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:15:55 EST Subject: Re: nolle prosequi To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX I would also be worried they were trying to sucker you. False info, you don't show for court date, found guilty, etc. I would definitely call back and verify everything. Scooter In a message dated 11/16/2004 5:13:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: either this is an error (why you were not notified of the correct court date is a mystery, but a nolle pros without at least an appearance by the defendant is odd) or the state does not have any evidence to move forward (e.g., dead officer, lost records, etc.) i would not be entirely confident that the clerk you spoke to has the facts straight. --- corey wrote: > Called in to check on my court date on monday for a MC > speeding ticket > and the clerk told me that my case had been tried last > week and the > final disposition was "nolle prosequi". seems like i'm > off the hook, > has anyone had experience with this? > > ___________________________________________ > > corey From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 17:18:52 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=S3OEaZAs+IULHP+nJzcILqH/vE6j/XoSKSnT001r2v8lFrNu3bJZjtpEDQrNFXmxGD75WJQmpGc9/26aGj78gj8geHbQ0mK1VfiFOK/m9SJI/qT8NHXmMXYHRD3Ig/aFq0TkP+J/ajfOAjVYJWYAQY2aTTTzqhUTtuOlL3g/8R8= Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:18:48 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: corey Subject: Re: nolle prosequi Cc: DC-CYCLES , Tom Gimer Curious. A nolle pros means the case has been dropped. And, as Tom says, that is a really strange thing to do without the defendant/lawyer being present. On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:12:55 -0800 (PST), Tom Gimer wrote: > either this is an error (why you were not notified of the > correct court date is a mystery, but a nolle pros without > at least an appearance by the defendant is odd) or the > state does not have any evidence to move forward (e.g., > dead officer, lost records, etc.) > > i would not be entirely confident that the clerk you spoke > to has the facts straight. > > > > > --- corey wrote: > > > Called in to check on my court date on monday for a MC > > speeding ticket > > and the clerk told me that my case had been tried last > > week and the > > final disposition was "nolle prosequi". seems like i'm > > off the hook, > > has anyone had experience with this? > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > > corey > > > > [journal] www.egoinc.org > > [portfolio] www.blanksky.com > > [forum] www.dcstreet.com > > > > Remember: First you pillage, then you burn. > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > http://my.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 17:28:18 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=voZA5GcqQM893Q5ODAnNwiSr0usl1BeOA3iRXNVvW8zBVyWrIMtnIOzEBH9eQ82n3ywFT+soOGwfImoPCTzifuqoF733lph4MU8aAOvy57Tqb4cwlrUwdBGmuCQMr9bEJY7ndzBy9t6MwKBxiayTVi1OEFM/TJIZkQ4Y/0VG8qw= ; Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:28:10 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: nolle prosequi To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Yeah, the big conspiracy where they are jumping through hoops to get a rider on a speeding charge. Guess what? They don't have to go to any extreme to get plenty of convictions. More than likely the case was nolle prossed on that date and that is why they have that listed as the court date, because that is when the disposition changed. Or the clerk merely made a mistake and looked up the wrong case. Go here to check on Scooters conspiracy theory. http://208.210.219.132/vadistrict/select.jsp Todd --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > I would also be worried they were trying to sucker > you. False info, you > don't show for court date, found guilty, etc. I > would definitely call back and > verify everything. > > Scooter > > In a message dated 11/16/2004 5:13:43 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > either this is an error (why you were not notified > of the > correct court date is a mystery, but a nolle pros > without > at least an appearance by the defendant is odd) or > the > state does not have any evidence to move forward > (e.g., > dead officer, lost records, etc.) > > i would not be entirely confident that the clerk > you spoke > to has the facts straight. > > > > --- corey wrote: > > > Called in to check on my court date on monday for > a MC > > speeding ticket > > and the clerk told me that my case had been tried > last > > week and the > > final disposition was "nolle prosequi". seems like > i'm > > off the hook, > > has anyone had experience with this? > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > > corey > > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 17:34:13 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:34:29 -0500 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: nolle prosequi At 05:15 PM 11/16/04 EST, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >I would also be worried they were trying to sucker you. False info, you >don't show for court date, found guilty, etc. I would definitely call back and >verify everything. And get it in writing...even if you have to go down there. If it is an error on the part of the court staff, that might be important to prove it to the judge later, once you are convicted in absentia. If it isn't an error, it won't hurt to have it either. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 17:37:10 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=rc3cOC3Yo0/eMmLDWX8T0EFKRqE5TOK90wPEvP62zB9RdPFMznUld5JYYEm63AB6CDyGPILwFm/sP5T0K2PBGkD5zhV99POBU4nSHZbv12i0DMcd0NAmQo9nZOkFZj5/anU/D3N9nq4AmIrVIhrobEnNIzt+6b+MJtxJ3D579WY= ; Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:37:02 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: nolle prosequi To: corey , DC-CYCLES GT04188049-00 GREENELTCH, COREY QUINN 11/08/04 09:30AM Nolle Prosequi Charge: 061/40 SPEEDING Complainant: SIMPSON, H If that is you, then it is dropped. Maybe you were the only case he had and he wanted the day off. Congrats, now slow down. It could have been a reckless ticket, so you are getting off twice. Todd --- corey wrote: > Called in to check on my court date on monday for a > MC speeding ticket > and the clerk told me that my case had been tried > last week and the > final disposition was "nolle prosequi". seems like > i'm off the hook, > has anyone had experience with this? > > ___________________________________________ > > corey > > [journal] www.egoinc.org > [portfolio] www.blanksky.com > [forum] www.dcstreet.com > > Remember: First you pillage, then you burn. > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 17:41:49 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LhO6qrBlxJxQ7Zn4YWE3IUUa6cLQluUgSFBdaRI2VU5KrY91Up14+FPzHZ3Jy/hOa212ZV+XztfnqmkSrls7Vus5WGNqb5pwnLkThejtcIwpi3n+gzswA3vTbE1XLPq+OpjOJZAbZDk0IuFOZhV9byaFQ6KtfLOFf2463Ug83b0= Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:41:46 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: nolle prosequi > And get it in writing...even if you have to go down there. AMEN!!!! If it isn't in writing, it doesn't exist. Even if it is in writing, existence can sometimes be in doubt. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 18:11:57 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=EHSOEMqGKFilDUHGoM7ebSvndy/+ACk1lY1ulNiy20NyM5vlhI0tzSnv2SBnvJJBvKgTdYgv2SToVaa0+J/tZwYQWsNXJuKeXCUxTudj2yVOtzm1PCso/zQRxtPzHRqumrQCAkNgRuaJvrIpvm7F8Tovve2YfeoqyfUMKD9Rmv8= ; Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:11:49 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: nolle prosequi To: DC-CYCLES very cool. is this service available to the un-uniformed, unwashed masses? --- Todd Withrow wrote: > GT04188049-00 GREENELTCH, COREY QUINN 11/08/04 > 09:30AM Nolle Prosequi > Charge: > 061/40 SPEEDING Complainant: > SIMPSON, H > > > If that is you, then it is dropped. Maybe you were the > only case he had and he wanted the day off. > Congrats, now slow down. It could have been a reckless > ticket, so you are getting off twice. > > Todd > > > --- corey wrote: > > > Called in to check on my court date on monday for a > > MC speeding ticket > > and the clerk told me that my case had been tried > > last week and the > > final disposition was "nolle prosequi". seems like > > i'm off the hook, > > has anyone had experience with this? > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > > corey > > > > [journal] www.egoinc.org > > [portfolio] www.blanksky.com > > [forum] www.dcstreet.com > > > > Remember: First you pillage, then you burn. > > > > > > > ===== > AIM: Inf DS > > http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now > society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 18:47:48 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=RZyJG14+jCFw8M2hg4ewZPqg7x012xI6DO+LQ/3AAtjXuDCJ/8FRopoW3jmNnipQmVAoOBGO/7pGZk1jfGfdKIh32yWsTqG8TWcSLR3lY+B2HKJ7dEz4PmgeCcGAvNd/QELrH34u80qPayryRJEFNpMJi2eTvKNJUZYGFsECRJ4= ; Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:47:34 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: nolle prosequi To: Tom Gimer , DC-CYCLES Yes. Public record, just bookmark the link I sent. If you ever get bored, just start plugging in friends names to see how bad they have been. Todd --- Tom Gimer wrote: > very cool. is this service available to the > un-uniformed, > unwashed masses? > > > --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > > GT04188049-00 GREENELTCH, COREY QUINN 11/08/04 > > 09:30AM Nolle Prosequi > > Charge: > > 061/40 SPEEDING Complainant: > > SIMPSON, H > > > > > > If that is you, then it is dropped. Maybe you were > the > > only case he had and he wanted the day off. > > Congrats, now slow down. It could have been a > reckless > > ticket, so you are getting off twice. > > > > Todd > > > > > > --- corey wrote: > > > > > Called in to check on my court date on monday > for a > > > MC speeding ticket > > > and the clerk told me that my case had been > tried > > > last week and the > > > final disposition was "nolle prosequi". seems > like > > > i'm off the hook, > > > has anyone had experience with this? > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > > > > corey > > > > > > [journal] www.egoinc.org > > > [portfolio] www.blanksky.com > > > [forum] www.dcstreet.com > > > > > > Remember: First you pillage, then you burn. > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > AIM: Inf DS > > > > http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. > Now > > society wants to childproof the world. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 20:07:13 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:12:36 -0500 Subject: FS: Handlebar heaters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" FS: handlebar heater kit. Contains two ceramic heaters, switch, grommet, fiberglass, and instructions. Heating elements fit inside the bar and require drilling a small hole for the wires. Quite reliable (I)B’ve used mine 4 or 5 winters), except for the plastic on/off switch which I replaced with a metal one after a year. Takes about 10 minutes before you feel heat. Installation takes about an hour, if you)B’re reasonably handy. Hint: run wire to an ignition-switched circuit, not directly to the battery. $20, NW DC, near Zoo. Will ship, if necessary, for $5. --garcia Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news. Corporate America controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections. http://www.blackboxvoting.org / From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 20:45:44 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Brake Bleeding question Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:47:32 -0500 So I got my new caliper the other day and it's loaded and installed on the bike. I also have my new brake lines run and snugged down but not crushing the washers yet. So my new setup run two direct lines from the master cylinder (MC) to each caliper and the MC banjo bolt has a built in bleeder. So my question is when I am bleeding the system do I bleed from the bottom up. Bleeding each caliper and then bleed the MC or do I bleed the MC first and them the calipers? Next project is run the rear brake line through the single side swing arm and remove the chanin guard. I did it on my Hawk GT and it looked sweet. See you on the road.. Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 20:57:38 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=b6o9fO8TlynfiNIZtCP9mhGHVQUhp6H80peLFdBoWBwkjKagfiEHFHJH9rQR8AZUVt9DC6+sBmieyqpfT592yI/Pl/z+2M07Ifs3w7F1oq8/wLkbk2Y7pkn6riJp+RpE5T6gFBNOAiUBX2q0JBwCMI3cl15OZQ+IUSlHLZEJZTk= Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:57:26 -0500 From: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding question Cc: DC-Cycles Typically, you always bleed the master cyl. first, then bleed furthest from the MC to closest. On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:47:32 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: > do I bleed from the bottom up. > Bleeding each caliper and then bleed the MC or do I bleed the MC first and > them the calipers? -- "The official mourning period is over today and there is a silver lining: George W. Bush is prohibited by law from running again." Michael Moore From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 16 21:34:44 2004 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:34:37 -0500 From: corey To: Todd Withrow CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re[2]: nolle prosequi thanks todd. i'd already looked that up this afternoon and printed it out. I also had the clerk i spoke to fax me the record just in case. I was unsure of it's validity until I had a written record in front of me. i'm pretty thankful of my luck and have been more speed conscious since my ticket. lord knows i'll be staying the hell away from burke center parkway and other similar FFX roads on the weekends. ---------------------- corey TW> GT04188049-00 GREENELTCH, COREY QUINN 11/08/04 TW> 09:30AM Nolle Prosequi TW> Charge: TW> 061/40 SPEEDING Complainant: TW> SIMPSON, H TW> If that is you, then it is dropped. Maybe you were the TW> only case he had and he wanted the day off. TW> Congrats, now slow down. It could have been a reckless TW> ticket, so you are getting off twice. TW> Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 17 07:25:59 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:25:46 EST Subject: Re: nolle prosequi To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX It is a conspiracy I tell ya. Just like the whole moon landing thing. And do you really think we managed to get those two rvers on Mars? They're just scooting around so NASA movie lot somewhere. lol I can't see why they would drop the case without notifying you. Must be a mistake. Scooter (watch out for that stealth black helicopter) In a message dated 11/16/2004 5:28:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes: Yeah, the big conspiracy where they are jumping through hoops to get a rider on a speeding charge. Guess what? They don't have to go to any extreme to get plenty of convictions. More than likely the case was nolle prossed on that date and that is why they have that listed as the court date, because that is when the disposition changed. Or the clerk merely made a mistake and looked up the wrong case. Go here to check on Scooters conspiracy theory. http://208.210.219.132/vadistrict/select.jsp Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 17 09:36:01 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:35:57 -0500 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Japanese using paintballs and nailguns on bikers http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/waiwai/0411/1116bosozoku.html ...It's not the only new tool in the police arsenal that helps them combat bikers. Cops will also be armed with paintball rifles, nail guns to shoot out tires and can now use unmarked Black Wing motorcycles to keep watch on the roads. A whopping force of 250 road patrol cops conducted a special training session on Oct. 19 in anticipation of the crackdown on bikers.... I re-learned this morning that once exposed skin freezes on the ride in, it stops hurting. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 17 10:41:09 2004 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "dc Cycles" , "Troutman" Subject: Re: Japanese using paintballs and nailguns on bikers Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:40:34 -0500 Interesting article...I lived in Japan and have seen these Bosozoku. They deserve to get shot for what they've done to regular riders. They steal people's bike, chop it up & ditch it. Bunch of stupid law came out making no effect to them but made regular rider's life very difficult. Insurance rate went up, getting a license became difficult, 400cc limit came out in the 70's, need to take a really difficult & stupid test to ride bigger bike, different speed limit for bikes, no bikes allowed on some roads & so on.... all because of them. --------------------- Shigeru Honda 99 750 SS (Track #881) 00 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) 91 CR80 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: "dc Cycles" Subject: Japanese using paintballs and nailguns on bikers > http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/waiwai/0411/1116bosozoku.html > > ...It's not the only new tool in the police arsenal that helps them combat > bikers. Cops will also be armed with paintball rifles, nail guns to shoot > out tires and can now use unmarked Black Wing motorcycles to keep watch on > the roads. A whopping force of 250 road patrol cops conducted a special > training session on Oct. 19 in anticipation of the crackdown on bikers.... > > I re-learned this morning that once exposed skin freezes on the ride in, it > stops hurting. > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 17 10:55:01 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:54:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Frostbite (was: Re: Japanese using paintballs and nailguns on bikers) At 09:35 AM 11/17/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: >I re-learned this morning that once exposed skin freezes on the ride in, it >stops hurting. Isn't that just before it turns black and starts to fall off? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 17 10:58:45 2004 To: "dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Japanese using paintballs and nailguns on bikers Content-ID: <31962.1100707123.1@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:58:43 -0500 From: harry@XXXXXX >http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/waiwai/0411/1116bosozoku.html Hmmm, not to call into question the strict accuracy of this story (I wouldn't know), but taking a quick scan down the left side of this web page... -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 17 11:01:57 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=lMcrAkGK6tMFzUHBjpKdEvAyLl/p7Y90eLWB0ZxrDyNpxTKe6byXw7RSwuILBSvd9mWaAphIZnRg0Ana5ouKakZO+MsPiQNhFuE+B6xlW1V3RTj+YUyCdpuiUlYqqbtgLJhisO5JG9OXmSsThOanRKtHMDFG9HHLi354izOuL+s= Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:01:46 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Japanese using paintballs and nailguns on bikers Sounds like the Japanese version of the Onion, or Scrappleface. On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:58:43 -0500, harry@XXXXXX wrote: > >http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/waiwai/0411/1116bosozoku.html > > Hmmm, not to call into question the strict accuracy of this story > (I wouldn't know), but taking a quick scan down the left side > of this web page... > -harry -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 17 11:07:46 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:07:42 -0500 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Japanese using paintballs and nailguns on bikers Unfortunately, I don't believe it is a spoof site. Just bizarre Japanese news. At 11:01 AM 11/17/2004, you wrote: >Sounds like the Japanese version of the Onion, or Scrappleface. > > >On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:58:43 -0500, harry@XXXXXX > wrote: > > >http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/waiwai/0411/1116bosozoku.html > > > > Hmmm, not to call into question the strict accuracy of this story > > (I wouldn't know), but taking a quick scan down the left side > > of this web page... > > -harry ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 18 10:36:49 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:36:43 -0500 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Genius bare-ass stunta gets off .... ... with a $1k fine. http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1104/188567.html Thanks for raising my insurance rates jackass. Minor notes : - lost 4 lbs of air f/b since this weekend due to weather changes - new First Gear Kmj boots on the way from New England - wife is buying my electrics for me, which means I owe her $400 in jewelry :-p - weather has been incredible the last couple of days. Too bad traffic has sucked - missed a deer by a cars length last night on my back roads in Clifton area. B Safe. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 18 12:46:17 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:46:14 -0500 From: Skip To: sabmag , DC Cycles Subject: you may have seen this if it's a duplicate, sorry. if not, enjoy! http://swimmer.efiunlimited.com/videos/squid.mpeg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 18 14:39:48 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:39:43 -0500 From: corey To: Skip CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: you may have seen this X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - victory.vs4dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - egoinc.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: good stuff... the nelson-style "HA-ha" had me rolling. Not just a squid, but a squid wearing socks and loafers? double-whammy in my book. ---------------------- corey [journal] www.egoinc.org [portfolio] www.blanksky.com [forum] www.dcstreet.com Americans drive like epileptic housecats, therefore appropriate protection is called for. ______________________________________________ Thursday, November 18, 2004, 12:46:14 PM, Skip wrote: S> if it's a duplicate, sorry. if not, enjoy! S> http://swimmer.efiunlimited.com/videos/squid.mpeg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 18 22:42:11 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Black Hole in West Virginia Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:41:47 -0500 Thinking about using cellphones, etc. around mid-West-by-God Virginia? Noted in a Monday's Wall Street Journal page R12. Interesting. It seems there is, in Green Bank W. Va., a radio-telescope observatory. (From Staunton, Va. rte 250 w to W.Va. rte 28, then so. 10 mi.) Been there for nearly 50 years. "To protect the observatory, the [FCC] created a National Radio Quiet Zone in 1958. The zone, which covers 13,000 square miles in Virginia, West Virginia and Maryland, restricts radio transmissions in the area . . .. Deep within the zone there can be no cellphone coverage or radio stations . . .. [s]taffers drive diesel cars, which don't create harmful sparks upon ignition. "But keeping the Quiet Zone silent has become increasingly difficult . . . cellphones . . .WiFi . . .. ". . .NSF funds the observatory. . .." [several other active issues: Snowshoe Mtn WiFi, Hughes Satellite dishes, etc.] Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > When my pistons get grey, upgrade me to a mach 10 scramjet Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 19 09:07:16 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=bbeLVqeFOOwKEI7Q3Bk/2XBNhKfZxaSCUhhfuzOAfK3c8alav8YotZ5QW9pCjLaI2nFKCV/2AJLNphrX7qAlMUGcEyavxs+csJYLwdGfc5A3zX0vOEVt/lYm2UW0ARcLcndDTdJUPCL9S6zwiiCm0qEnQ7DxjJFZWj08z0TMOmM= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:07:03 -0500 From: Eric Geary To: dc Cycles Subject: Re: Genius bare-ass stunta gets off .... "A friend of both men, Brenton Heller, 20, of Frederick, said after the hearing that the stunts were Matlock's idea. "It was just a follow-the-leader type of thing," he said." god if that doesnt just sum up the attitude of a squid i dont know what does. sorry fellas i dont talk much but some things i cant remain silent on From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 19 10:17:38 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:12:55 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: VTX/cruiser range - Follow up Thanks to everyone for the input. My buddy finially got around to hooking up to the powercommander and he found the working map to be stock. The bike has Vanson pipes and a K&N filter. He was able to find the correct map which also addressed a lean issue. He is now getting better or I should say normal fuel milage. Tom de '03 ST1300 Tom Gimer wrote: >the modified vtx in question sounds like it is tuned >incorrectly. (was power commander professionally installed >and tuned?) > >similar to when i picked up a bad fi chip. bike ran REALLY >rich and got a little better than half the mileage it >should have. new chip solved everything. > > > >--- "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > > > >>Hey, >> Gotta buddy considering buying a used '03 VTX, its got >>vanson pipes >>and a power commander. The owner has graciously let my >>buddy ride to >>work a coupla time this week. The tank range doesn't >>seem right. It's >>4.5gal, my buddy says he can't make a round trip. He >>needs to stop on >>the way back home, his commute is about 45 miles one way. >> So he's >>around 90miles on the tank without much left in it. >> I see mostly cruisers on my way to work, and I know >>they are probably >>50+ miles one way (i see them at beginning on 95 HOV, and >>they don't get >>off a last exit before pentagon). It seems to me a stock >>VTX should get >>120 to 130 miles to the tank. >> Do any cruiser types have similar experience? Does a >>VTX get really >>bad gas mileage? He's gonna play with the power >>commander, and he >>doesn't ride too fast 65 to 75mph. He likes cruisers, >>and this bike is >>a good deal, talking him into a touring bike won't work >>;). >> >>Thanks for any input, >> >>Tom de '03 ST1300 >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. >www.yahoo.com > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 19 13:29:43 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:29:25 EST Subject: Re: Electrics To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 11/10/2004 11:08:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, wes@XXXXXX writes: > I have very poor circulation in the extremities, so even with heated gloves, > I don't find that the jacket and gloves are matched to my liking...meaning, > I have to crank up the setting in order to feel comfy in the fingertips, but > that makes my torso too hot. Sorry to re-open a thread but I have been out of communication for a week or so and am just now catching up. I just started with electrics last year and found I had your problem _IF_ I just automatically put on my heavy(est) jacket over the electric liner. What works for me and what I recommend you try is "balancing" your jacket(s) to your gloves. A lighter jacket means you "have" to increase the heat in the jacket and that increases the heat in your gloves. It is that simple, and should result in having enough heat at your hands. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 19 14:12:50 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:12:47 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Black Hole in West Virginia Yeah, it's a great "bowl" there for the observatory to have some 'radio quiet'. I've gotten fine cellphone coverage on top of mountains that sort of form that bowl - like Reddish Knob on the state line, west of Harrisonburg. There's a guy who's the chief coordinator for the observatory to work with folks to keep the area radio quiet. My brother's met him and says he's a nice guy. The guy got a write-up in Wired magazine in the last year, I think. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "W.S." Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:41:47 -0500 > Thinking about using cellphones, etc. around mid-West-by-God >Virginia? > > > Noted in a Monday's Wall Street Journal page R12. Interesting. > > It seems there is, in Green Bank W. Va., a radio-telescope >observatory. (From Staunton, Va. rte 250 w to W.Va. rte 28, then so. 10 >mi.) Been there for nearly 50 years. > > "To protect the observatory, the [FCC] created a National Radio >Quiet Zone in 1958. The zone, which covers 13,000 square miles in Virginia, >West Virginia and Maryland, restricts radio transmissions in the area . . .. >Deep within the zone there can be no cellphone coverage or radio stations . >. .. [s]taffers drive diesel cars, which don't create harmful sparks upon >ignition. > "But keeping the Quiet Zone silent has become increasingly difficult >. . . cellphones . . .WiFi . . .. > ". . .NSF funds the observatory. . .." > [several other active issues: Snowshoe Mtn WiFi, Hughes Satellite >dishes, etc.] > > >Bill S. / DC (on digest) >'99 VN750 > When my pistons get grey, upgrade me to a mach 10 scramjet >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 19 14:44:23 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:44:28 -0500 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Electrics At 01:29 PM 11/19/04 EST, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 11/10/2004 11:08:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, >wes@XXXXXX writes: > >> I have very poor circulation in the extremities, so even with heated gloves, >> I don't find that the jacket and gloves are matched to my liking...meaning, >> I have to crank up the setting in order to feel comfy in the fingertips, >> but that makes my torso too hot. >I just started with electrics last year and found I had your problem _IF_ I >just automatically put on my heavy(est) jacket over the electric liner. What >works for me and what I recommend you try is "balancing" your jacket(s) to your >gloves. How about a separate thermostat for each? I know the H-D gear has that available...one of the Ultra riders in the local HOGs has one. He uses one for jacket and one for pants, but I don't see why you couldn't use something similar for jacket/gloves. Even if not a full thermostat, at least a heat level control (probably not more than a variable resistor... I=V/R). I just have the on/off switch for my gloves, which has been adequate. On for riding, off in traffic or when I hit a slow area with less wind chill. There's enough insulation to handle anything below 50 mph down to the mid-20s. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 19 16:20:18 2004 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: New race track? +OT: Accounting help needed Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:19:59 -0500 I heard it somewhere that there's a plan for building roadracing track near Richmond and somewhere near Atlantic City... Anyone have any info on this? OT: (sorry) Help needed on accounting matter. I'll pay fees per hour. Pleaes email me off list to shonda3@XXXXXX Thanks. --------------------- Shigeru Honda 99 750 SS (Track #881) 00 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) 91 CR80 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 19 18:15:20 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Op4L/DayKOA6NDdvqD97/RjkTZiaOyRWPMw9kxRSL6zG0VDWGmahjhK7vHMV9uJ6uFqdOFbSFobVCwUmPmlEqhYhq0KWvDKQrcrFW367g1IA3M33Bi8g7lD8toPga+f0589S1K4FRY8cjZKfQ0HFQ63DUuxjh5n09orFFyb1snE= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:15:16 -0500 From: Thomas Jordan To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: New race track? +OT: Accounting help needed It may or may not happen. They've been sending me press releases for over a year, and aren't much farther along now than they were then. http://www.dragonsridge.com/ On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:19:59 -0500, Shigeru Honda wrote: > I heard it somewhere that there's a plan for building roadracing track near > Richmond and somewhere near Atlantic City... Anyone have any info on this? > > OT: (sorry) > Help needed on accounting matter. I'll pay fees per hour. Pleaes email me > off list to shonda3@XXXXXX > Thanks. > > > --------------------- > Shigeru Honda > 99 750 SS (Track #881) > 00 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport > 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) > 91 CR80 > > -- "The official mourning period is over today and there is a silver lining: George W. Bush is prohibited by law from running again." Michael Moore From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 19 18:15:43 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=sOWJx/bZE8cASKJ8kZ8JFI4W4oBdkaE6F+aHHhQht+wVoSq0wygEosRWi5FG3fauzQIOwOSeIB2Xh46GeYEbFr6UZUIA81csCbNSNnTNvrBwkSNiaMQ6+kOnGHFj+s5OqEoUAs5D6PpiksMfZrxWPmgSXZZRVip48SPqfxK4NRg= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:14:06 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Black Hole in West Virginia There's a fairly new visitor's center there with exhibits and a view of the big ear. You can't ride up to the telescope, unless you have one of those mil-spec Diesel KLRs. :) You can board a bus for a closer look. Not a bad WV destination. On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:12:47 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: > Yeah, it's a great "bowl" there for the observatory to have some 'radio quiet'. I've gotten fine cellphone coverage on top of mountains that sort of form that bowl - like Reddish Knob on the state line, west of Harrisonburg. > > There's a guy who's the chief coordinator for the observatory to work with folks to keep the area radio quiet. My brother's met him and says he's a nice guy. The guy got a write-up in Wired magazine in the last year, I think. > > Chris > -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 19 18:45:31 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:45:11 -0500 Subject: 100mph @100,000 miles From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net It should have happened on some exotic trip like the one I took to Costa Rica or the one I want to take to Alaska and then across Russia and Europe. But alas I rolled over a 100,000 miles on a mundane errand to Fredneck, Md to get a pair of glasses repaired. When I parked at the opticians I looked down and the odo read 000,000. To celebrate I cranked to old girl up to an indicated 115mph on the way home. It felt as solid and stable as it did when new. This is pretty good bike-- I think I'll keep it Bob '99 Moto Guzzi Bassa bought new June 1, 2000. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 19 19:24:19 2004 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:24:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: 100mph @100,000 miles At 06:45 PM 11/19/2004, Bob McKeithen wrote: >To celebrate I cranked to old girl up to an indicated 115mph on the way >home. It felt as solid and stable as it did when new. This is pretty good >bike-- I think I'll keep it > >Bob >'99 Moto Guzzi Bassa bought new June 1, 2000. Congrats! 20k a year is impressive. /still waiting to roll on to 42k. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 20 14:29:20 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=4uSK0OF6OJRd4fRrBsGsZVtGX0xbWpLkSbGm5JW3Ltpff9PKZbPr7vK1Wo9Fbf2JxjkptRNbjTypIAK4+YSQ9aP+fqPX5I1bD8TMCvWa/zovCQJYrIbYcqy2xg+HcGeifAywqNHn/Yahtol9c7TZEYa3pWduh4z205a41rmyvwM= ; Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:28:58 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: 100mph @100,000 miles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That's 25K a year for those of you with math deficiencies. ;-) Glenn --- Troutman wrote: > > Congrats! 20k a year is impressive. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 20 14:33:50 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CvNKSDYxovNnIc/BjxlVY7AB9v6XEO4ymXcklzd2mfaji3Bpx4hwcp7tknTBdwQ0UUMv/YA+wk5W9Zmuhv/4SLeP5JJk5KJzjCLNghlOqw5FzL0sWV3KmU8PTaCqay5p8JSp+ZxjBRHqDYop2YAra7uAP6hgZL1QTK/UkHaVOcA= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:33:46 -0600 From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 100mph @100,000 miles On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:28:58 -0800 (PST), Glenn Dysart wrote: > That's 25K a year for those of you with math > deficiencies. ;-) It's really closer to 21,459 miles a year if you count the (roughly) 4.66 months after the 4 year mark hit. -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 20 21:52:38 2004 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:52:52 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: 100mph @100,000 miles At 02:33 PM 11/20/2004, Sean Jordan wrote: > > That's 25K a year for those of you with math > > deficiencies. ;-) > >It's really closer to 21,459 miles a year if you count the (roughly) >4.66 months after the 4 year mark hit. My brain only read '99 Moto Guzzi. I just bought a slingshot at Wal-Mart for $4. I'm heading to Glenn's house for some target practice. My new First Gear Kilo boots arrived today - perfect fit, comfy and good price ($169, free shipping). Time to hang up my combat boots, although hey are very airy for summer use. They came with a glove waterproofer for leather and synthetics. Smelled bad, but works great and kept the palm and fingers slightly tacky for good grip. Fog the last couple of days has been horrible. Ride safe. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 21 12:48:05 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=1wJWnidngD6I+QQ4Dc8MgE1fzTGTQFN3WbMdVJey48NSNpzLxSxuX9qerQe24abbgVItkCeIiLsp+XRT1QNp3Q15qXE5GnRh+B4H8qgZIxmhlxCX3wuSR4DUKRZzyDYYEY6H4Y49kynIB6bbB964cHA2P04BAxfACz5nVtJB09g= ; Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:47:54 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: EZ Pass on bikes To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Altho I don't need it that often, am thinking of getting an EZ pass transponder for my bike. According to the MD web site, they have a special attachment for the transponder for bikes. Does anyone know how well this works? thx jib __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 21 17:24:41 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=huCclH5CC1jdk0xjGVKB3i86Un4FhvfXAJJz2ealZzoxb2D/FuODCnCOhpOUYz5l0aMT5oAhP6+xf1bMd8wnAZDpeLhlmzSS9adpSBC7z0UWW+A3t33nQ3Atd5qeoMnMTV2wOjvyC140rs+omJ4cd8U6JpXp13lKDmFjBK7ouck= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:24:32 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: Isaac Blanck , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: EZ Pass on bikes Isaac, The regular "cage" transponders work fine for me. I've got 'em mounted to the windshields on both bikes, using the mounting thingos supplied. Unless you have a nekkid bike, you shouldn't have any problems using your bodywork to mount the tags. Other folks put 'em in their tank bags. My E-ZPass even works in my top case. I had the transponder in the "document holder" in my top case, and had forgotten about it. I was riding in W.Va. with some friends, and we had a breakdown. To make a long story short, we took an unexpected detour on the WV Turnpike, and I paid a cash toll. Looked at my E-ZPass statement a couple of months later and saw a charge for the WV Turnpike. What the...?? Then I remembered the thing had been in my top case. They do suggest you wrap 'em in aluminum foil when not in use. I think the thing MD offers is a handlebar mount, but I've never seen one. On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:47:54 -0800 (PST), Isaac Blanck wrote: > Altho I don't need it that often, am thinking of > getting an EZ pass transponder for my bike. According > to the MD web site, they have a special attachment for > the transponder for bikes. Does anyone know how well > this works? thx jib -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 21 20:33:40 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Isaac Blanck , Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: EZ Pass on bikes Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:35:36 -0500 No problems for me. I have used it a lot. I just wedge the transpond between the dash and thw wind screen. Regards, Rob On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:47:54 -0800 (PST), Isaac Blanck wrote > Altho I don't need it that often, am thinking of > getting an EZ pass transponder for my bike. According > to the MD web site, they have a special attachment for > the transponder for bikes. Does anyone know how well > this works? thx jib > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > http://my.yahoo.com -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 21 20:39:33 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Paul Wilson , Isaac Blanck , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: EZ Pass on bikes Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:41:30 -0500 I use the bag it came in. Tin foil helps in your helmet so they can't read your thoughts. Rob On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:24:32 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote > They do suggest you > wrap 'em in aluminum foil when not in use. -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 22 01:38:12 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:37:54 -0500 From: Skip To: Rob Sharp CC: Paul Wilson , Isaac Blanck , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: EZ Pass on bikes X-Tasam-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Tasam-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Tasam-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.174, required 6, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-MailScanner-From: skip@XXXXXX dammit, don't go teeling everyone, or they'll catch on! Rob Sharp wrote: > > I use the bag it came in. Tin foil helps in your helmet so they can't read > your thoughts. > > Rob > > On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:24:32 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote > > They do suggest you > > wrap 'em in aluminum foil when not in use. > > -- > Rob Sharp > rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 22 09:22:51 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=N1LOekVd28X1ykY9Z+RdKgW7Tyvls5k+7AIamjBIMGEJxxKsvvKpau/udjpdQkrId0G3MVGMhFQlsRvLX3dhekXi9Ttwleecl4Gl+49/4920O6OPQL+w+pUczyrGFC4po2Sx48uId+74jnStF3OjUztFNrKCcdHd9zijpS9Ml9w= ; Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 06:22:40 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: One of those days To: DC Cycles http://www.aacint.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7986 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 22 09:38:25 2004 Subject: Moved to a new category of rider yesterday Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:38:22 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Governor's Bridge Road, Davidsonville, MD. Three riders. I was in the rear. The guy in the middle on a GXR-1000 approached the first turn of the morning. I saw him tap his brakes and vanish around the corner. I was not looking at my speedometer and did not feel the need to brake. Late into the corner, I realized that the damn thing was almost L-shaped and I was going very fast. The road was wet with scattered leaves. Everything slowed down as I reacted with a survival reaction. I straightened up and attempted to front brake slow down. The wheels started sliding and time slid to a crawl. Across the other lane I went, bleeding speed. I think my front brake was fully squeezed. I know I was light on my back brake. I did not know how to stay on the road so pointed my bike to the safest looking end point I could find: a bunch of leaves on the embankment. I had time to hope that there were no logs or nasty big ass rocks. There wasn't but there was a two foot drop off into a ditch and that is where I ended up right side down. I got adrenalized but was able to pick my bike up in the approved manner. My wrist is not friendly right now but I am fairly sure it is not broken. My one month old uber pricey HELD racing glove is ripped apart at the seam. My FieldSheer jacket is dirty but OK anf my Field sheer mesh riding pants are torn but not all the way through. Right turn signal obliterated. Cracks and scratch marks on the lower and upper front fairing. Bar end scraped. Have not looked hard at the pegs yet. Muffler is marked. The lessons of yesterday: - don't ride hungover - don't ride on tires and brake pads that are not up to par That said, I know it was my survival reaction that did me in. I got up and kept riding but the day was a write-off and every right turning corner instantly unnerved me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 22 09:47:46 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Moved to a new category of rider yesterday Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:47:11 -0500 Julian: Hey, you're alive, and you realize what it is that got you into trouble. On top of that, you were able to ride home; all in all not a bad outcome. I'm glad to hear you're OK. Cedric Bernescut Inspirational Thought for the Day: http://tinyurl.com/zbgs The lessons of yesterday: - don't ride hungover - don't ride on tires and brake pads that are not up to par That said, I know it was my survival reaction that did me in. I got up and kept riding but the day was a write-off and every right turning corner instantly unnerved me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 22 09:50:33 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Julian Halton'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Moved to a new category of rider yesterday Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:50:18 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79b96cdfd59551e04db2c8565793394e55350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c ... I was going very fast. The road was wet with scattered leaves. ... The lessons of yesterday: - don't ride hungover - don't ride on tires and brake pads that are not up to par [Dave] First, I'm glad you're ok. Second, I'd venture say the condition of your tires and brakes had zip to do with your boo boo here. Your speed management did. Ride your own ride... Wet leaves are a road hazard for everyone, but especially so for bikes. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 22 09:51:55 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:09:13 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Moved to a new category of rider yesterday On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > The lessons of yesterday: > - don't ride hungover > - don't ride on tires and brake pads that are not up to par Sorry to hear about the get-off, Julian. From your description, it sounded like you were riding a bit too fast for the conditions/your experience and that was the problem, not necessarily your equipment (tires/brakes). Definately not a slam, we've all been there, I just wanted to add to your 'lessons' bullets. Heal up fast and post if you need help repairing the bike! -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 22 10:45:13 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Moved to a new category of rider yesterday Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:44:27 -0500 Glad you're ok, Julian. Learn what you can from the experience and move on. Rob '98 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 22 11:09:12 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:08:37 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Moved to a new category of rider yesterday First off, I'm glad you are ok. A sprained wrist and some slightly damaged gear and bike is relatively cheap tuition for riding mistakes. Time and money can fix all of it...which isn't the case all the time. At 09:38 AM 11/22/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: > >The lessons of yesterday: >- don't ride hungover >- don't ride on tires and brake pads that are not up to par Good rules to follow. I'd add at least one more: - Don't ride in such a way that you can't stop in the area you can see ahead of you. You hit the turn too fast to make it, but I suspect from the fact that you couldn't see that before you got there that it was a blind turn. Even it you had been going slow enough to make it around under the conditions you actually found, you'd have been too fast to stop if there'd been something in the road there...like a stopped truck, a huge pothole, a fallen tree or whatever. You just assumed that the road would be clear, like it is 99.9999% of the time. Only takes once when that isn't true to do you in... Riding so that you can always stop in the area you can see ahead of you isn't as exciting and racer-like as taking turns as fast as possible and just assuming that the turn doesn't tighten, or has a blockage of some sort, but it's a lot more likely to lead to a longer riding career and perhaps life. Racers on tracks don't have to worry about whether a turn tightens...they are familiar with every turn before the race starts. They don't have to worry about trucks, potholes, fallen rocks, downed trees, etc. because the track makes sure there aren't any before the race starts. Unless a bike goes down right in front of them, they don't even have to worry much about other riders littering the track, as there are caution flags to warn them if it happens, so they can slow down. The public roads are very different....which is why a different riding style is wise. Again, glad that you are relatively unhurt and that you learned some things, but consider adding the extra lesson above. I'd hate to read about you getting more seriously hurt some day. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 22 11:22:31 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Q1OLx9rm2JdDFiBNNIbt961PjbuCxNDY5CDTYuqTUfYisqPMJAWF3gBnjfDrNzPAesa4WIKuwBEqA/N4PyL1K1ZUydRdqW00rjzkJQxM8oQSFm5JCPSFrVsLG1RwGE1/C/dq8+sJJBXEtSj9y9YXrEdZoYn6t2CyT1A4/ydSE7E= ; Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:22:17 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: EZ Pass on bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thanks for the responses. I don't have a windshield or fairing, but do use a tank bag on longer trips. Looks like I'll give it a shot. Am planning to ride up to Laconia this June, and will have to pay tolls on 95 I guess. Maybe I'll find a better way. (Rode 95 down to 'tona for Bike Week this year, and it got kinda boring after a while ...) jib 2001 Suzuki Marauder 22,294 miles --- Rob Sharp wrote: > No problems for me. I have used it a lot. I just > wedge the transpond between > the dash and thw wind screen. > > Regards, > > Rob > > On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:47:54 -0800 (PST), Isaac > Blanck wrote > > Altho I don't need it that often, am thinking of > > getting an EZ pass transponder for my bike. > According > > to the MD web site, they have a special attachment > for > > the transponder for bikes. Does anyone know how > well > > this works? thx jib > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > > http://my.yahoo.com > > > -- > Rob Sharp > rob@XXXXXX > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 22 11:23:35 2004 Subject: RE: Moved to a new category of rider yesterday Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:23:32 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" > Subject: Moved to a new category of rider yesterday Sorry to hear it Julian. No comments about the actual get-off, but I'd recommend a trip to the doc about the wrist. I've had both an ankle and a wrist that I thought were only sprains. A week later when they didn't "fix themselves" I went to the docs and found I'd manage to fracture each. You'd be surprised what you can do with a fracture until you KNOW that's what it is. BTW... I know of a good source for some Rizoma LED signals if you're looking for a bit of "squid bling" to replace the existing ones. Very sweet signals... I was about to order some for the FZ right before I got the new beastie. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 22 13:45:13 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:02:51 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Moved to a new category of rider yesterday On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > flags to warn them if it happens, so they can slow down. The public roads > are very different....which is why a different riding style is wise. You can use the vanishing point when approaching a turn. It will tell you if the turn tightens or opens up. That won't help in a panic situation if there is an obstacle, but it allows you to adjust your speed mid corner to compensate for a turn that's opening up/tightening up. It's helpful at any speed, not just knee dragging/racetrack speeds. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 22 13:51:50 2004 Subject: Recommended Read: Two Wheels Through Terror Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:51:46 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Two Wheels Through Terror By Glen Heggsted "Striking Viking".. The guy that rode to Tierra del Fuego on a Kawazaki 650 and back has published his book. His journey included an involuntary stay with the ELN in Columbia. Gripping story. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 22 13:52:19 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=RzToV095wJ/o4xUmSl9hd4ZOnLJhZbPOo7Rs33/uZg89LtrNp3gqlSVP+Kn+Gw114HVPFeZcNA8QhJR6rt2BomGk5szEeD55H3aQtaf+YWXZ2nXTevwPE4aUikg71f6wFxTuGu9jQpd9GC8u0Ta9ggu0BlPoS5FNHxKWx07OIOU= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:52:17 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: EZ Pass on bikes Handlebar mount Radar Detector mounts make great EZ-Pass holders. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 22 19:47:43 2004 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:05:21 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Cc: Subject: ZX10 Cracked Frame http://www.psychobike.com/iB_html/uploads/post-6-76430-zx_10_crack.jpg http://www.psychobike.com/iB_html/uploads/post-6-76457-zx_10_crack2.jpg From a couple of message boards I've seen - the frame cracked on this ZX10, no crashes and a light rider who doesn't wheelie a lot. Supposedly more instances of the cracked frame are surfacing on the web forums. First the wheels, now this. Not good for Kaw. :-\ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 23 01:46:17 2004 From: Daniel To: "Julian Halton" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Moved to a new category of rider yesterday Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:45:49 -0500 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- What kind of bike do you have? (I or another lister may have parts) First, any crash you can walk away from is a good one. Plenty of people have hit a tree and died, or become disabled. Any crash is also a learning experience, IF YOU ARE SMART. It's not dumb to crash, it's dumb to not learn from your mistakes. I have to second the oppinion of "don't blame the equipment". You should see the front tire on one of my bikes that I ride on. Point being even equiptment in less than perfect condition can still perform well enough. I'd wager I could probably endo your bike in it's current condition. (if the ground were clean and dry). With the exception of mechanical failure (which is rare, being these bikes are so well designed), I would venture to say that in every accident, there is something the rider could have done to avoid the accident. This is rider error, from a safety stand point. If a guy rear ends me, legally his fault, but that's my fault from a safety stand point from not being aware of the conditions behind/around me. If a rider wants to be a safer rider, that's a philosophy to LIVE by. From a safety standpoint, Always take responsibilty to predict and counter the events and possibilities around you. Your riding future will be a lot less painful if you keep that in mind. It seems to me, from your description the 2 real culprits were 1> road condition - wet and debri filled (wet ground + leaves are probably equivelent to the ground being as slippery as if it were oily) 2> most important, you chose to ride too fast for A. The road conditions. - only ride as fast as road conditions allow, not as fast as your bike or desire will take you. B. Your line of vision. - don't ride faster than you can see ( don't ride faster than where you can predict you will end up) I hope you understand the tone of this message. I'm not at all looking down on you. Pretty much all of us have been in the same situation. I'm Just trying to share imparative information (about riding mindset) with you and anyone else who can benefit from it. This is not a new concept to the list, if you've been aroudn long enough. Pretty much almost all of us have made these mistakes, I know i have. Real riders take on the responsiblity of the mistakes (and realizing something could have been different/better to prevent them) and learn from them when we do make mistakes. Part of life, and riding. People who blame it on circumstance or anything else don't learn from the mistakes and probably painfully repeat them. I'd hate to see that on my fellow rider. Glad you are ok, - Danny What kind of bike is it ? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 23 09:50:39 2004 Subject: RE: Moved to a new category of rider yesterday Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:50:33 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Daniel" Cc: "DC Cycles" I did_not_want to come across as blaming the equipment, hence my end statement. I accept responsibility for every action I take. I did ride past my sight line and I made the wrong decision when I realizd I was going too fast. I spent some time thinking about what had would have happened if I had leaned in way tight and accelerated. I have an 02 R6, plastics are difficult to come by but I am keeping my eye out on ebay. The bike is rideable and I would guess my only immediate need is a brake lever and right turn signal. Thanks to all who have offered help. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] To: Julian Halton Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Moved to a new category of rider yesterday What kind of bike do you have? (I or another lister may have parts) First, any crash you can walk away from is a good one. Plenty of people have hit a tree and died, or become disabled. Any crash is also a learning experience, IF YOU ARE SMART. It's not dumb to crash, it's dumb to not learn from your mistakes. I have to second the oppinion of "don't blame the equipment". You should see the front tire on one of my bikes that I ride on. Point being even equiptment in less than perfect condition can still perform well enough. I'd wager I could probably endo your bike in it's current condition. (if the ground were clean and dry). With the exception of mechanical failure (which is rare, being these bikes are so well designed), I would venture to say that in every accident, there is something the rider could have done to avoid the accident. This is rider error, from a safety stand point. If a guy rear ends me, legally his fault, but that's my fault from a safety stand point from not being aware of the conditions behind/around me. If a rider wants to be a safer rider, that's a philosophy to LIVE by. From a safety standpoint, Always take responsibilty to predict and counter the events and possibilities around you. Your riding future will be a lot less painful if you keep that in mind. It seems to me, from your description the 2 real culprits were 1> road condition - wet and debri filled (wet ground + leaves are probably equivelent to the ground being as slippery as if it were oily) 2> most important, you chose to ride too fast for A. The road conditions. - only ride as fast as road conditions allow, not as fast as your bike or desire will take you. B. Your line of vision. - don't ride faster than you can see ( don't ride faster than where you can predict you will end up) I hope you understand the tone of this message. I'm not at all looking down on you. Pretty much all of us have been in the same situation. I'm Just trying to share imparative information (about riding mindset) with you and anyone else who can benefit from it. This is not a new concept to the list, if you've been aroudn long enough. Pretty much almost all of us have made these mistakes, I know i have. Real riders take on the responsiblity of the mistakes (and realizing something could have been different/better to prevent them) and learn from them when we do make mistakes. Part of life, and riding. People who blame it on circumstance or anything else don't learn from the mistakes and probably painfully repeat them. I'd hate to see that on my fellow rider. Glad you are ok, - Danny What kind of bike is it ? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 23 21:43:23 2004 From: "Patrick Carter" To: Subject: honda 600rr slip on exhaust stock Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:43:11 -0500 I have two stock exhaust systems for the 600rr. Make me an offer if you want one and come pick it up. First offers take the exhausts. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 24 09:19:41 2004 From: Daniel To: "Julian Halton" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Moved to a new category of rider yesterday Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:14:40 -0500 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Oh sorry bout the long winded post, and not reading it correctly... maybe someone else benefited from it, so good may still come of it. What color R6? I have a friend parting out his blue r6, and I believe it's that model year. I can put you two in touch if you like. Just let me know - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 24 10:45:44 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ABYE1x0HrlcbA6Yz2jJ+1AyfHXUwxCfwi0XT3OX//lT/3aq1biL3adCB5f23Os41qUW53NK8m+OsCC4H3c2tO7ZxOWWoFGxBMWKfZIYwLQrjnhujZb2EQleYFiiBC/ttL84u08WOLqKp25IXoC6N1+i8vUfQ70qySiFUwQUtaN4= ; Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:45:22 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Whoa! Keep that speed under reckless if this goes through To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=341143 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 24 11:05:08 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Whoa! Keep that speed under reckless if this goes through Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:05:08 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79314d0358b64e3992c1e6c507636fb21f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Thanks for the heads up, Glenn... What a crock of shit. These clowns are no better than Hizzoner Williams and his camera revenue scheme. Unfortunately, it will probably pass. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Whoa! Keep that speed under reckless if this goes through http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=341143 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 24 11:33:14 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Whoa! Keep that speed under reckless if this goes through Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:35:12 -0500 On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:45:22 -0800 (PST), Glenn Dysart wrote > http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=341143 Or just don't let yourself get pulled over ;-) Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 24 11:56:23 2004 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:56:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Whoa! Keep that speed under reckless if this goes through At 11:35 AM 11/24/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: >On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:45:22 -0800 (PST), Glenn Dysart wrote >> http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=341143 > >Or just don't let yourself get pulled over ;-) You mean add "fleeing and evading", "resisting arrest", and potentially things like "vehicular assault", "manslaughter", "2nd degree murder" or your own maiming or fatality to the cost of being stupid with the twist grip? How about, "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime" instead? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 24 11:56:23 2004 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:52:27 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Whoa! Keep that speed under reckless if this goes through At 07:45 AM 11/24/04 -0800, Glenn Dysart wrote: >http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=341143 The "typical" cost for reckless driving may not be all that impressive (~$150) compared to these new proposed "fees" ($750), but the maximum penalty for it (loss of licence for a year plus fines) makes them look pretty inconsequential. I'd avoid reckless whether these new "fees" get enacted or not... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 24 13:15:19 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Whoa! Keep that speed under reckless if this goes through Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:15:12 -0500 > > From: Mike Bartman > Date: 2004/11/24 Wed AM 11:52:27 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Whoa! Keep that speed under reckless if this goes through > > At 07:45 AM 11/24/04 -0800, Glenn Dysart wrote: > >http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=341143 > > The "typical" cost for reckless driving may not be all that impressive > (~$150) compared to these new proposed "fees" ($750), but the maximum > penalty for it (loss of licence for a year plus fines) makes them look > pretty inconsequential. I'd avoid reckless whether these new "fees" get > enacted or not... > ..don't forget to add in the higher insurance costs. Penalties like this only hurt lower income families. Those that drive a fancy Mercedes or Beamer could care less about the increased costs. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 24 15:01:04 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: Whoa! Keep that speed under reckless if this goes through Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:00:55 -0500 This will give the squids another reason to run from the law. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Whoa! Keep that speed under reckless if this goes through http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=341143 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 24 15:27:01 2004 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:26:58 -0500 From: corey To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Whoa! Keep that speed under reckless if this goes through X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - victory.vs4dns.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dc-cycles.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - egoinc.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Makes good sense to me. My citation for 61 on Burke Center Parkway (4 lane divided road, 40mph speed limit) should have made me licenseless for a year and cost me $1000. I was clearly harming society and I need to be stopped. Please, someone stop me before I kill again... :( GD> Albo and Rust estimate that the state must generate $500 million in GD> new revenue annually to address congestion and other transportation GD> needs. They said the legislature is unlikely to raise the state's GD> 17.5-cents-per-gallon gas tax next year. Brilliant. Don't disturb your SUV-driving constituents, instead pull the funds from those criminals out on our roadways. Everyone wins. ---------------------- corey [journal] www.egoinc.org [portfolio] www.blanksky.com [forum] www.dcstreet.com "If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough." ______________________________________________ Wednesday, November 24, 2004, 10:45:22 AM, you wrote: GD> http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=341143 GD> __________________________________ GD> Do you Yahoo!? GD> Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. GD> http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 24 17:43:49 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Whoa! Keep that speed under reckless if this goes through Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:45:49 -0500 On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:56:18 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote > At 11:35 AM 11/24/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: > >On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:45:22 -0800 (PST), Glenn Dysart wrote > >> http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=341143 > > > >Or just don't let yourself get pulled over ;-) > > You mean add "fleeing and evading", "resisting arrest", and potentially > things like "vehicular assault", "manslaughter", "2nd degree murder" > or your own maiming or fatality to the cost of being stupid with the > twist grip? > > How about, "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime" instead? > > -- > -- Mike B. So wrechless drive, fleeing and eading, resisting arrest, ect, ect of some guy on a bike they couldn't identify or catch :-p I am just kidding anyhow Mike! Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 24 18:20:56 2004 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:20:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Whoa! Keep that speed under reckless if this goes through At 05:45 PM 11/24/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: >On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:56:18 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote >> How about, "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime" instead? >> >> -- >> -- Mike B. > >So wrechless drive, fleeing and eading, resisting arrest, ect, ect of some guy >on a bike they couldn't identify or catch :-p I am just kidding anyhow Mike! I know you are, but as has been pointed out to me in the past, there may well be some young impressionable types on the list who might take such jokes seriously, and get into serious trouble or harm. I've seen at least one instance in person of what can happen when they do (though I only caught the handcuffing of the downed rider part...the pair a traffic light cycle ahead of me got to see the stuff that led up to it...the failure to make a high speed turn...through a red light, the near miss of another sportbike with rider and passenger on it who were coming into the intersection on green, and the crash of the perp with officer right behind him on the median strip. The cop was out of his car, with gun drawn, by the time the rider started trying to get up, and at the officer's strong suggestion, got back down). Like the old Country song by Kenny Price (_The Sheriff of Boone County_) says, "You may outrun my old Chevrolet, but you can't outrun my old two-way...Leon's waitin' at the station to hear from me..." -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 24 21:26:40 2004 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:43:53 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Whoa! Keep that speed under reckless if this goes through On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > You mean add "fleeing and evading", "resisting arrest", and potentially > things like "vehicular assault", "manslaughter", "2nd degree murder" or > your own maiming or fatality to the cost of being stupid with the twist grip? > > How about, "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime" instead? Riding a Hardley, you really have no choice but to pull over, Mike. No worries. :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 24 22:31:07 2004 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:30:52 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Whoa! Keep that speed under reckless if this goes through At 09:43 PM 11/24/04 -0500, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > >> You mean add "fleeing and evading", "resisting arrest", and potentially >> things like "vehicular assault", "manslaughter", "2nd degree murder" or >> your own maiming or fatality to the cost of being stupid with the twist grip? >> >> How about, "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime" instead? > >Riding a Hardley, you really have no choice but to pull over, Mike. No >worries. > >:-) True enough, but all the fine means is I have to put off the next load of chrome a while. No biggie. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 25 10:03:04 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Do your part! Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:03:01 -0500 I urge you to send a letter to your congressman concerning a bipartisan bill to end health-care discrimination against motorcyclists. AMA has the form all set up, just put your info in and send! http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2004/S432.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 26 00:03:30 2004 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 00:03:14 -0500 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: mojohand@XXXXXX (David Blumgart), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Parking at New Carrolton Metro? X-AOL-Language: english do you want to get your bike stolen? i would leave my motorcycle at that station. In a message dated 11/10/2004 8:42:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, David Blumgart writes: >Does anyone happen to know if there is dedicated motorcycle parking at the >New Carrolton Metro station and if so, which side (it's )B one of those >stations with two separate entrances and parking lots) > > -- -Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 26 09:59:00 2004 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:58:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: David Blumgart Subject: Site with sign-up dates for MSF course? Can anyone post the link to the site that has the MSF courses sign-up dates for Montomery College? I really want to take the beginners course soon and unlearn all my bad habits db From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 26 21:22:31 2004 From: Daniel To: STmaven@XXXXXX Cc: mojohand@XXXXXX (David Blumgart), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Parking at New Carrolton Metro? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:22:14 -0500 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Depends on what kind of bike it is. and how well he has it locked down. If it's something newer and popular and unchained, maybe.. if it's locked down where it would take hours to break loose.. not going ot happen.. keeping a cover on it would be good too. if it's an old unpopular bike.. it'll probably be alright. chain it of course. On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 00:03:14 -0500, STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: >do you want to get your bike stolen? i would leave my motorcycle at that station. > > >In a message dated 11/10/2004 8:42:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, David Blumgart writes: > >>Does anyone happen to know if there is dedicated motorcycle parking at the >>New Carrolton Metro station and if so, which side (it's )B one of those >>stations with two separate entrances and parking lots) >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 26 23:42:24 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=QM2qpK0nblz37qtoKBuHSSY1DPCJk2PUpkjpBjSXmOzMb3PYTDPbFNdubyeqdvUrds2J87GAgv10gKK5e9ZiqGrs4peTZwFIIZn9+n3R6kVFGPyZPWQk+gMhbM7t8W5fpcYCESIcZDjA9ZW5KzaJMNoMF6oR+soDj0fdTptI+Zs= ; Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:42:04 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: Attorney Recommendation for Alexandria? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I am in need of a lawyer, anyone has had the service of an attorney for a speeding ticket in the city of Alexandria? My situation: Speeding in Rt. 1 zapped doing 53 in a 25. Yes, i was speeding but per requirement of the ticket i have to show up in court and unfortunately i live in NC. Ryan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 27 08:24:14 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=tY4cuwDTgLZJD0aLK/mZo5Xdp+tFNSYyesBU0FU6+6NBmzMZRB6aPeU0uG1qZ4UwEm88hn7JremSShJJhx9asJM+ocA2RDHK4npn/iH52R3oAgmB5B/a0wPKDZF1mrQBiXPuqkXWIzeT5zcz1nsctUwn5vDG8kKsHw+VUZ6g9kQ= ; Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 05:23:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Attorney Recommendation for Alexandria? To: Ryan Santoso , dc-cycles@XXXXXX i don't personally know him, but whenever i seek a referral for a client in this type of situation, the following is what i come up with: http://www.jboneta.com/ good luck.... -- tg --- Ryan Santoso wrote: > > I am in need of a lawyer, anyone has had the service > of an attorney for a speeding ticket in the city of > Alexandria? > > My situation: Speeding in Rt. 1 zapped doing 53 in a > 25. Yes, i was speeding but per requirement of the > ticket i have to show up in court and unfortunately i > live in NC. > > Ryan > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page )B– Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 27 15:13:32 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Season cozies Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:13:11 -0500 Why hasn't this pneumatic gear come across sooner? First came the Eastern Mountain Sports ad, then a similar garment in an Aerostich flyer (with an electronic add-on). Today I tried on the EMS Exo Therm, and it looks like a winner - which the A.. may be also. These are breath blow-up tops. The EMS is windbreaker-style, relies on the inflation for extra insulation, and lists at $200 (with up to 20% discount through at least 11/28). The A.. Kanetsu AirVantage is a vest with added electronics, relaying on the pneumatics to keep the electronics next to the body (and touting the insulation properties also) listing at $237. Interesting gear. Thought worth a headsup at this buying juncture. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > How about a pneumatic cover to keep me cozy? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 29 15:08:25 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:07:33 -0500 First off - I am not looking to pick on any of the Harley riders on this list. I am just trying to understand some of my observations from this past weekend. First off, my wife wanted to go to the Boyds bear factory in Gettysburg on Saturday, so I was offered the option to ride along, drop her off, and then go to the H-D shop on the east side of town (Rt 30). As I am always interested in a chance to check out a big MC shop, I agreed. So, off we went. When I got there, there were two bikes (BMW RT and Sportster) in the MC parking with two nicely geared riders (Aerostitch/Full Face, etc.). While I was walking to the entrance two other riders rode in. The guy was in leather jacket with lots of patches, chaps, wool stocking cap and sunglasses. The woman riding with him was also in leathers, but with regular pants. She also had a 3/4 helmet and sunglasses. Another guy also pulled in driving a cherry Jaguar XKE 4.2. It may have been the high point of the stop... So, I go in. I'm wearing jeans, heavy cotton shirt, chukka boots, and a bomber-style jacket (in case you're interested). For those that don't know me, I'm 40-something, with blond hair brushed back and a short beard. I have a somewhat rugged look. As I walk in, there is a family and a sales type blocking the entrance as the sales type is talking to the 3 year old boy of the family. I walk around them, and head towards the display of bikes (surrounding a kiosk with a couple of employees). I walk around the outside of the rectangular display, which takes me over by the sales cubicles. I then complete the rectangle and walk right by the kiosk as I make a second pass on the inside of the display. On this pass, I slow and look more closely at a couple of the bikes. I also look at the attached tags on a few (used bikes with year, mileage and price). At no time have I been approached by anyone. The male/female pair have come in and a sales guy jumped on them immediately. So, I left. Total time in the store - maybe 10 minutes. I did take a quick look around the rest of it, but was not in the market for H-D branded clothing. I was never acknowledged by anyone in the store. So, what gives? I can certainly afford one of the bikes that they had on display. I had a presentable look, etc. Admittedly, I wasn't going to buy one that day (or maybe never - more on that in the next paragraph) but I was genuinely interested and you just never know. Putting aside the lack of sales "support" for now, I have to shake my head over the prices. The used bikes (most were 2001-2004 with 1000-12000 miles) were all around $15-16K. They didn't have prices on the new bikes, just the used ones. Now, I will admit, the bikes were in excellent condition. The paint jobs, chrome, etc. were beautiful. But a 2004 Low Rider with 1200 miles for almost $16,000? NFW! Seriously, no matter how pretty the bike is, or how cool it looks, or how good it sounds, or whatever, is going to make me want to spend 16 large for the bike. I could, literally, buy two 2005 Kawasaki Concours and ride the snot out of them with little more than tire and oil changes and basic tune ups. And they come with a 3 year, unlimited mile warranty. I'm not sure what, if any, warranty a used Harley has. Of course, I could have asked that question at the store if anyone in sales had bothered to come say hello. Or, I could by a pretty top of the line bike from just about any other manufacturer less than $15K. I would rather pay $8-10K for a late model Japanese or European bike and take the difference and apply it to just about anything, including gear, training or even just riding, than spend that kind of money on a Harley. So, and I am not taking shots at any of our members here, what is the appeal? Honestly? I just don't get it. Speaking of Kawasaki, we stopped at Criswell PowerSports (I-270/Middlebrook Rd) on our way home. We've never been in it, even though we only live about 15 minutes away. They have Yamaha, Kawasaki and Victory in one building and Honda in the other building. We walked into the first building and had a sales man come up almost immediately. Of course, there were less people around, but he came over and introduced himself, asked if he could answer any questions and then backed off when we said we were just looking. We then did talk, in passing, as we moved around the bikes. When we walked over to the other building, we were greeted by a young lady in the kiosik and had a sales guy get up from his desk and come over to say hi. He also gave us our space with "let me know if I can help" attitude as we looked at the bikes. For what it's worth, they had a few Victory's, a nice selection of Kawasaki's, a few Yamaha's and not that many Honda's. They did have a lot of dirt bikes and 4-wheeler's, though. They had some accessories, but not really all that much. I don't know if I'll ever buy a bike from them, but I would at least check them out. Now, having gone through all of this rant about Harley and price, etc. I have the following question: Why were about 90% of the bikes I saw out this weekend Harley? Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 29 16:32:09 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=HU+t05UkUR7lDihz/q2Ujyn3XTGykkcKPCVCNidqfKIc3z75VZaBEQw3x6UbnB1EPLQL5hqZatRNqt6AU63gJ3JzIrMy0aHLLWnvVnJzC6U26FLyrm0ixo11as06HR2nq9SAsY4iqAOzjJBI6Tqpoj0EugiJFNTrdpzQPR+Z+tE= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:32:05 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. > Putting aside the lack of sales "support" for now, I have to shake my head > over the prices. The used bikes (most were 2001-2004 with 1000-12000 miles) > were all around $15-16K. Harley is presently fashionable with a fairly large population of well-to-do Boomers & yuppies. The laws of supply and demand come into play. At some point, Harley prices will probably see what is called in the stock market "a correction". I have a number of co-workers who absolutely drool over Harleys. I don't understand. My first bikes were Harleys - a '34 VL in 1961 or so and a '60 XLCH around '68. I rode the snot out of 'em and enjoyed them. I've enjoyed just about any bike that I ever bought and most bikes that I was able to mooch. I anticipate that this trend will continue. What we have here is a matter of perceived value. Which is why my lasest purchase was a Suzuki DL1000 VStrom instead of the BMW 1200GS that I lusted (and stil lust) after. I just couldn't reconcile an almost $8K price delta (almost double). Looking back, the 'Strom is actually a better bike than the GS (comparing it to 1150GSs). But I still want a GS - just don't want to pay the amount that they're going for. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 29 16:48:42 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Perry Coleman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:50:49 -0500 Glad to see the list is still alive. First off I actually like not being attacked by sales people when I walk in a store. I like the line from the newest Saturn commercial, "I don't want to be sold a car I want to choose the one I want". Also a guy with his chick is a lot more likely to be persuaded by a sales man (read easy target). SO maybe that had something to do with it. Second, I don't own a Harley but I think people may buy a Harley because they are an American company (regardless of where the parts are made or assembled they have that image in my eyes). If you talk to my fiance she will tell you she wants a Mercedes E class car. Then I will argue you can get a much faster, sportier and cheaper car (little be less :-) like maybe a Lancer Evo VIII. She will tell me I don't care I want that little emblem and the work Mercedes on the back, plus it's a damn nice car. So I guess it comes down to a matter of what you personally want. You might like the price, maintenance and performance (frame and wheel cracking :) ) aspects of a Kawi bike, while the Harley guy may like the chrome, sound, and name recognition of the Harley. We could go on forever about which bike is better, but it depends on who is buying the bike to decide which is better. :) You didn't see me out this weekend cause the VFR is stuck in the garage with a 90% finished brake job, waiting on a stupid banjo bolt to come in. Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 29 16:52:39 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=eXrWnizbC5zgmztVpkgijRFwdED4eksnqBqQt0WahCLzeLX18h8S+P2Z3+3wEGgGoISTuZN9IoZ60xo16mNAGOS6iu2hxorS4s4BivxyMm1hiPxAtpZtB+6aQfEsDRR5NocmEjemGAJbBI4D8egJ17KVCkEmVBgt4Oeh04USmfo= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:50:14 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: Perry Coleman Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You're not alone. I seem to suffer from Customer Invisibility Syndrome too at snooty bike shops. I guess they see me ride up on the Kawi, or the 10-year-old Honda with the cracked bodywork, and figure it's a lost cause. Or maybe it's the grubby, frayed, road-grime-tinted (cordura too, gasp) riding gear and scratched full face helmet. :-) On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:07:33 -0500, Perry Coleman wrote: I was never acknowledged by anyone in the store. So, what > gives? I can certainly afford one of the bikes that they had on display. I > had a presentable look, etc. Admittedly, I wasn't going to buy one that day > (or maybe never - more on that in the next paragraph) but I was genuinely > interested and you just never know. > -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 29 16:53:34 2004 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.51) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Nov 2004 21:53:26 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:53:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. > Putting aside the lack of sales "support" for now, I have to shake my > head over the prices. The used bikes (most were 2001-2004 with > 1000-12000 miles) were all around $15-16K. A thing is worth what people will pay for it. It's how markets work. Persumably this dealership has some idea of what the going rates for Harleys are. A lot of folks like the bikes. Like you, they won't get it from me; Harley's have never been my thing. Well, maybe the 883 Sportster, but only as my third or fourth bike. Now personally, the bike I'd spend $15K on is this: http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/default.asp -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 29 17:43:08 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=qs0VRqMYVrzi25UPJ0o0jbV3yhcpB2ACPa991XLB+QGW65qhYJW5GorZ4g3VsVah014PgYKte0ShrzA+fEQ0OG3Is+Pje3OEntx42nrDOWYd7PaALt1+3OX7w8M7nLCi42wX8aKPz12fecZ26aQLRYkAhNSG4n5SUoEi13XT88k= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:43:05 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. > Now personally, the bike I'd spend $15K on is this: > > http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/default.asp As my younger son would say, "Want one!" I, too, would cheerfully spend $15K on one. Unfortunately, I believe that they're going in the 30s... :-( It's the Norton that I always wanted that the Brits wouldn't build. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 29 18:08:45 2004 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:07:54 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. At 04:50 PM 11/29/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: >Glad to see the list is still alive. > >First off I actually like not being attacked by sales people when I walk in a >store. I like the line from the newest Saturn commercial, "I don't want to be >sold a car I want to choose the one I want". Also a guy with his chick is a >lot more likely to be persuaded by a sales man (read easy target). SO maybe >that had something to do with it. I agree with you about who's a better "target", but it's also possible that the guy and his girl where not there for the first time. I've seen the same sort of thing at several H-D dealers as Perry experienced. I think it's more a matter of "don't have to do that to sell all we are allocated" than anything else. Battley's was different though. I wandered around a bit when it was a slow time (middle of the afternoon on a weekday) and had a salesman ask me if he could help me with anything within a couple of minutes. Even when they were busy with someone else, on subsequent visits I'd get at least a wave when I walked in. I've also seen a number of times when they appeared to be "free", but were actually in the middle of working with someone else, so appearances can be deceiving. >Second, I don't own a Harley but I think people may buy a Harley because they >are an American company (regardless of where the parts are made or assembled >they have that image in my eyes). That's one reason. There are a lot of them. They fit tall people better than metric bikes for one thing. BMW is the only other bike I saw that was close to having that characteristic...though I think there may be one or two metric cruisers that would today as well. They are *really* well supported by the aftermarket, so if you want to customize, it's hard to beat the range of options available to you. They've been around for several generations (over 100 years now), so some people grew up hearing stories of older relatives experiences on them, and want a piece of that for themselves. Perhaps as a remembrance of grandpa, or just to see if you can still do what he did today. I think that's a lot of what keeps Indian from disappearing completely. They have an "image" associated with them. For some it's the "bad boy biker" image. For some it's the "rich biker" image. For some it's just that their peers consider Harleys the top of the line, same as others do with MG, Ferrari, or Jaguar, despite the fact that these are not the best, or best performing, cars around. There are women around who are attracted to guys with Harleys, and guys who like that sort of woman do well to get a Harley. They have been, until recently, fairly low-tech. That means you've got a good shot at maintaining, repairing or modifying one fairly extensively in your garage without a lot of expensive electronics or special purpose tools. Stay away from the EFI models and that's pretty much true of even the latest versions. Compare with, say, a BMW with front swingarms, ABS, linked brake systems, computer controls, multiple carbs to synch, etc.. There is a large network of well-organized owner's clubs. Most are very active, giving a H-D owner a lot of options for riding with others if that's what they want to do. The one I belong to has at least one ride a week in the "riding season", often two or even three, and even in the winter months there's generally at least two a month if not more. Other brands often have owner's groups, but they don't tend to be as well organized or active from what I've seen (feel free to correct this impression if it's wrong). They have, at least since the 80s, held their value really well. They cost a lot up front, but as Perry found, even the used ones are expensive. That means you can buy one, ride it for 3 or 4 years and sell it for a large percentage of what you paid for it...and in some fairly recent years, maybe more. Pay $20k, ride for a couple of years and sell for $18K is actually cheaper than pay $10K, ride for a couple of years and sell for $5k. If H-D production keeps rising, the price increases will slow down, and the used bikes won't be able to do that as well in future though. Some people just like the look. If that's the only factor, the metric cruisers are a good option...some of the Yamaharleys have the look down pat. There are usually multiple factors involved. Add them all up and you get H-D with a very large percentage of all moto sales in the USA. > We could go on forever about which bike is better, but it depends on who is >buying the bike to decide which is better. :) Yep. First question I'd have is, "Better for what?" For what I want a bike for, H-D is a really good choice. An R1 would be a shitty choice. It's a nice bike for what it is, but I don't need what it is, and it wouldn't fit me anyway even if I did. For someone who is smaller and wants a bike to take to the track on weekends, it's a much better choice than anything H-D makes. Same idea goes for any bike. BMW makes some that I looked at seriously, and if I was going to get a second factory bike I might end up with one, but they didn't meet as many factors as H-D did so they weren't the top choice and I only have one bike at the moment, so no BMW. If I bought a farm and had a place to ride off road a lot, an enduro (or dual-sport) would be in the cards, so I'd definitely have a BMW, Yamaha or other make. >You didn't see me out this weekend cause the VFR is stuck in the garage with a >90% finished brake job, waiting on a stupid banjo bolt to come in. Are they unusual banjo bolts? Model specific? If not, it's hard to believe there isn't one sitting on a shelf within a few miles of you right now. As for the who's out riding now question, I've noticed that when the weather is less than wonderful, most of the bikes you see on the road are Harleys. Reasons for that probably include the fact that most bikes in the country are Harleys, Harleys are cruisers, not racers, so perfect road conditions aren't required for a nice ride, and Harley riders can usually afford decent gear to handle cold or wet weather, or they are just maintaining the "tough biker" image by riding even if it isn't comfortable out for them. A large chunk of what's left are either BMWs or Honda Goldwings from what I've seen. I saw *very* few sport bikes out last winter, but lots during the summer. My sprained foot recovered enough to go for a short ride on Thanksgiving day. Temps weren't bad, but it was pretty gusty out up here in Maryland. Nice ride anyway, and I got my gas tank filled up again to limit condensation problems now that it's doing the warm day/cold night thing again. Was out of town over the weekend, or I'd have gone out again...there was a fair bit of nice enough riding weather around here despite the rainy periods. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 29 18:14:46 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=1jVLZVaoEf51ToPvaFldrAtGEUBicvLysbVc+8OSSgQ9YEQxJ8NuExENMtpSyfXIC6+iamSEHWGbIzBYyAXUNdERtIfVj6QmtXG+88RXPM/pDP+YxL+H0aq1Qy4TZ9z5JGOoLly+VGKjv/ygfwkG49dSOSHp8uPIZNo+9YsT6Sg= ; Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:14:33 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Moore Subject: The Bike Shipping Thread To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey all, I know this comes up from time to time, but I wanted to see what the current consensus on shipping your bike. A friend just moved here from MS, and needs to get his bike shipped up. He is, of course, looking for the most economic way to ship the bike but also wants to make sure the bike arrives in the same condition it departed in. Mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 29 20:03:52 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:03:26 -0500 Chiming in: Re: Criswell - a visit a few weeks after the opening was very cordial. On a slow afternoon the one floor salesman went out of his way to find out what I might be interested in for my next bike. An initial fine impression. Re: Battleys - on my initiative have found them helpful with answers and, in parts, with alternatives and suggestions. Pleasant experiences except for the open house crowds when I've wanted fast service. General experiences at Annapolis HD at the other end of the scale. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Often mislabeled by laypeople as HD. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 29 20:12:37 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=gKzi2K/6oLGec+MHrfWZmKQdF+YajD1FEA2FOXwK0ikrzTBRXccb9ZBi3i88jyR0lre+/ZlzxAfp2A9IVoINkfKfH7EZovolMJ0tTZ2pwO6mIOR13yvjkWBZrEIkc013uIKHrOEEhR1nOlq1QNge87TyYMfKPeG/5xjoMr1SDgc= ; Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:12:26 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/29/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Rob Sharp" You didn't see me out this weekend cause the VFR is stuck in the garage with a 90% finished brake job, waiting on a stupid banjo bolt to come in. ======== [JK] Rob, why didn't you ask on the list for one of those? I have two sitting in my VFR bin, unless yours is the double one for SS lines.. JK (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F P.S. Thanks for the Norton link that was posted by someone.. lovely machine. Like M. Jordan, I've always wanted one too, but for that kinda money, I think a 998 would but a bigger smile on my face :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 29 21:07:05 2004 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:06:57 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. At 04:50 PM 11/29/2004, Paul Wilson wrote: >You're not alone. I seem to suffer from Customer >Invisibility >Syndrome too at snooty bike shops. I guess they see me >ride up on the >Kawi, or the 10-year-old Honda with the cracked bodywork, >and figure >it's a lost cause. Or maybe it's the grubby, frayed, >road-grime-tinted (cordura too, gasp) riding gear and >scratched full >face helmet. :-) not all shops are like that. Patriot welcomes everyone who comes in the door. My question is, what *is* it with the non-Harley riders fascination with Harleys riders and their bikes? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 29 23:02:41 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=C9xIuuE6kL/T/Gtfo2Qjiq93ulVSqgWRoZvACLpC8dmnxE1aezGHzjUi/59Ymx/RxaUjPtPvAzD3N6K6c6JChLnIU+FeOwdKzUXiaxPnUS/e6pNorRL5pb838l1y64yfm7eiMrjvSkYmQhHcUSUnYIu8vOXFQa80SgZFwDBs/RY= ; Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:01:51 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. To: David Blumgart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- David Blumgart wrote: > Now personally, the bike I'd spend $15K on is this: > > http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/default.asp Some of us are still waiting for this: http://www.vincentmotors.com/BIK/sport.php 8;) -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 29 23:20:01 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: John Kozyn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/29/04 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:22:07 -0500 Yeah I am using the double one. It's definetly not as strong as the steel OEM bolts, hence my breaking it off :(. Rob On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:12:26 -0800 (PST), John Kozyn wrote > From: "Rob Sharp" > > You didn't see me out this weekend cause the VFR is stuck in the garage > > with a > 90% finished brake job, waiting on a stupid banjo bolt to come in. > > ======== > > [JK] Rob, why didn't you ask on the list for one of those? I have two > sitting in my VFR bin, unless yours is the double one for SS lines.. > > JK (D-mode) > 1999 900SS > 1995 VFR750F > > P.S. Thanks for the Norton link that was posted by someone.. lovely > machine. Like M. Jordan, I've always wanted one too, but for that kinda > money, I think a 998 would but a bigger smile on my face :) > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 09:30:41 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=OGAem/XuBCdVgMwt2CzQ8v7wEYilqz0Il1FU9c0pndfRBPA/0J3ieBIu+iOGq5YvMfIIH7DLaq2e/xULc98Lw+KGc87uT+5F+6U2GtymeVMo7NqDCBRlVD0kXuQIibLvpUhcfgb8UI0MXpaNekqhmjR24+/hkSXaKVOdSBJzyy4= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:30:37 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. Cc: David Blumgart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Now personally, the bike I'd spend $15K on is this: > > http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/default.asp > > Some of us are still waiting for this: > http://www.vincentmotors.com/BIK/sport.php Being longitudinal V-Twins, they're narrow. That means ya can fit BOTH in yer garage! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 09:33:27 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=BTA3QRg2F2X2ONL+FbkfLNGhN8IM7hcbIvjJWKXMtV4TwynN6AtzqRT8SNl0Glnnr9GMXIgrlv316oq6gffUVmRP73mfjarrFXO4uqVhf7TnGZtqGA/yoenHfM6b4bS6W7GmEur4YRkvd1UKUwSGKYLHSZ482f9HlbZSrOSHoz8= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:33:13 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: Rob Sharp , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/29/04 I got the steel ones from LP (steel air-free banjo bolt) when I redid the Mighty Viffer's brake lines. You're right, I figured the aluminum ones weren't strong enough. Like John, I've got a bunch of single banjo bolts if you need 'em. On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:22:07 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: > Yeah I am using the double one. It's definetly not as strong as the steel OEM > bolts, hence my breaking it off :(. > > Rob > > On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:12:26 -0800 (PST), John Kozyn wrote > > > > From: "Rob Sharp" > > > > You didn't see me out this weekend cause the VFR is stuck in the garage > > > > with a > > 90% finished brake job, waiting on a stupid banjo bolt to come in. > > > > ======== > > > > [JK] Rob, why didn't you ask on the list for one of those? I have two > > sitting in my VFR bin, unless yours is the double one for SS lines.. > > > > JK (D-mode) -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 09:59:21 2004 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:58:16 -0500 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. X-Tasam-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Tasam-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Tasam-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.194, required 6, AWL -2.19) X-MailScanner-From: skip@XXXXXX Aki Damme wrote: > > My question is, what *is* it with the non-Harley riders > fascination with Harleys riders > and their bikes? for me, it's the obsession with understanding people who choose an inferior product, fail to take advantage of the available safety options, and still maintain a majority presence in my hobby. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 10:00:03 2004 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:59:01 -0500 From: Skip To: Mike Moore CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Bike Shipping Thread X-Tasam-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Tasam-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Tasam-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.19, required 6, AWL -2.19) X-MailScanner-From: skip@XXXXXX Mike Moore wrote: > > Hey all, > > I know this comes up from time to time, but I wanted > to see what the current consensus on shipping your > bike. > > A friend just moved here from MS, and needs to get his > bike shipped up. He is, of course, looking for the > most economic way to ship the bike but also wants to > make sure the bike arrives in the same condition it > departed in. > > Mike Greyhound. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 10:02:54 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=eUzNEmC4JOasYNFhai+hIabQTRd12ugiq+4dik6vk1J4movxlQ89/iEX0lesp5ojZyy73zFwL/oqMNLC/rkWAVr7xJ+/ptXI6PaZyEUJEuGDPBuK9UyVbgQGfWFKMhhuPa8Sgqqbn4ajeEUT1MUMJaoMxoA8tlaOOgwNgMyhPx4= ; Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:02:46 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: The Bike Shipping Thread To: Mike Moore , dc-cycles@XXXXXX No matter who he uses, make sure he checks into the insurance options carefully. I shipped with an AMA supported company years ago and they did a nice amount of damage. --- Mike Moore wrote: > Hey all, > > I know this comes up from time to time, but I wanted > to see what the current consensus on shipping your > bike. > > A friend just moved here from MS, and needs to get > his > bike shipped up. He is, of course, looking for the > most economic way to ship the bike but also wants to > make sure the bike arrives in the same condition it > departed in. > > Mike > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 10:36:17 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Bike Shipping Thread Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:35:24 -0500 Is riding it out of the question? Rob '98 VFR800 --- Mike Moore wrote: > Hey all, > > I know this comes up from time to time, but I wanted > to see what the current consensus on shipping your > bike. > > A friend just moved here from MS, and needs to get > his > bike shipped up. He is, of course, looking for the > most economic way to ship the bike but also wants to > make sure the bike arrives in the same condition it > departed in. > > Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 11:01:39 2004 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:01:33 -0500 To: Skip From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 09:58 AM 11/30/04 -0500, Skip wrote: >Aki Damme wrote: >> >> My question is, what *is* it with the non-Harley riders >> fascination with Harleys riders >> and their bikes? > >for me, it's the obsession with understanding people who choose an >inferior product, fail to take advantage of the available safety >options, and still maintain a majority presence in my hobby. Sounds like you are out of touch with reality and should re-evaluate your methods of relating to it. ;-) So why don't Harley riders spend so much time wondering why people who never go to the track choose to buy race bikes, ride them like they are in a stunt show, and still maintain a majority...no wait...they don't. Nevermind. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 11:04:56 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=I1hcKNVv0hY7RlMTwFkMpxQ6NEVH95D/c/BmdQTenGrvi0gLtwfhNeXggtYiXG0VbHLLiSzSFUHScLd/O3Np+kAUMpK1CgoWnV6M7Ot3rtbFddMbrKlssiMCpeyZgm2fBP/yHArQpSKXU+4pLkIKSTQRCKgUNi9Hs7lucvsPOnA= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:04:43 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. Aki, I don't recall mentioning "Harley" anywhere in my post. You guys shouldn't be so defensive. ;-) In fact, the "invisible customer syndrome" surfaces at just about any brand shop, more often in a Honyamakawisuki place. I like being "approached" when I walk into a store, especially one charging premium prices for gear and accessories. That way I know the shop is interested in my business and the sales staff actually know something about what they're selling. If I have to club a floor-walker over the head in order to get some assistance, especially when it comes to trying on sizes, etc., I might as well stay home and buy on line. I go to a brick and mortar store for the overall package and shopping experience. For the record, I've been treated very well at Whitt's and Mike's Famous. In the latter, the sum of my purchases was a Diet Coke. I needed a break after a not-so-fabulous ride down the NJ Turnpike. On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:06:57 -0500, Aki Damme wrote: > At 04:50 PM 11/29/2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > >You're not alone. I seem to suffer from Customer > >Invisibility > >Syndrome too at snooty bike shops. I guess they see me > >ride up on the > >Kawi, or the 10-year-old Honda with the cracked bodywork, > >and figure > >it's a lost cause. Or maybe it's the grubby, frayed, > >road-grime-tinted (cordura too, gasp) riding gear and > >scratched full > >face helmet. :-) > > not all shops are like that. Patriot welcomes everyone who > comes in the door. > > My question is, what *is* it with the non-Harley riders > fascination with Harleys riders > and their bikes? > > -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 11:16:54 2004 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:15:48 -0500 From: Skip To: Mike Bartman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. X-Tasam-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Tasam-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Tasam-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.174, required 6, AWL -2.17) X-MailScanner-From: skip@XXXXXX Mike Bartman wrote: > > At 09:58 AM 11/30/04 -0500, Skip wrote: > >Aki Damme wrote: > >> > >> My question is, what *is* it with the non-Harley riders > >> fascination with Harleys riders > >> and their bikes? > > > >for me, it's the obsession with understanding people who choose an > >inferior product, fail to take advantage of the available safety > >options, and still maintain a majority presence in my hobby. > > Sounds like you are out of touch with reality and should re-evaluate your > methods of relating to it. ;-) > > So why don't Harley riders spend so much time wondering why people who > never go to the track choose to buy race bikes, ride them like they are in > a stunt show, and still maintain a majority...no wait...they don't. > Nevermind. I neglected the emoticon in my post... and most harley riders do wonder about the squids... hell, I wonder about the squids. motorcyclists fall into three classes. Harley Posers Suids People Like Me :~) --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 11:33:48 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=mCIqVloVzmpgr7irsf7pDizcbH1Dn5dbMtm0emcU7hEuqT4KAlfhHYH7S9YwSZ/jUeaTXkusN6mZK6CHFWY1K03extaBZ7sFUnQqqwD07S27BivTRU+Ysku65untGIS28OVSKFHpY6QP8Stt4uVzMXCKx45Y40YaSjvAFMws8OA= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:33:45 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. Cc: David Blumgart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Being longitudinal V-Twins, they're narrow. > > That means ya can fit BOTH in yer garage! > > Michael J. Before someone (probably one of my kids) throws something at me - the Norton is a parallel twin, not a V-twin. Mea culpa Michael J. But it's narrow enough to fit in my garage ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 11:37:49 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=JAv0SX9PbdR/kNopFOv4NRR6A+/jZn7KsnA4pl2nVAYAYYBOTHC/4jnZDNsCHQWA8LvBJPHoZxJKfbAqkgGn/TjOUKvsSLb2ItDHVeoHDjR200bPzNm2AWJ8WD9YpBeXF3WB6l8cbWEOFvAPLkBGIyMRdlClPuZnocOmbfu/KmY= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:37:47 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: Rob Keiser Subject: Re: The Bike Shipping Thread Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Is riding it out of the question? 1,031 miles from Biloxi, according to Streets & Trips. Knock off a Saddlesore and get IBA membership before the weather turns cold. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 12:19:55 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:19:41 EST Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 11/30/2004 11:05:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, dcmcrider@XXXXXX writes: > the "invisible customer > syndrome" surfaces at just about any brand shop, Having (god help me) worked in motorcycle sales perhaps I have some small insight. Salespeople see their time as being _very_ valuable, and in fact it is, if they waste their time on the wrong (not buying today) customer then another salesperson will "steal" their customer from them. In the original post the author pointed out that he was not buying and in fact was just looking. How do salespeople know? DAMNIFIKNOW!! I _sucked_ at sales. But I do know that the best salespeople can read a customer the moment they walk through the door and decide whether they are really there to buy or just "lookyloos." Are they perfect at reading people? Hell no, it is at best an art. But some of the ones I have known were remarkable at it. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 15:13:03 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:12:49 -0500 > > From: Skip > Date: 2004/11/30 Tue AM 09:58:16 EST > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. > > Aki Damme wrote: > > > > My question is, what *is* it with the non-Harley riders > > fascination with Harleys riders > > and their bikes? > > > for me, it's the obsession with understanding people who choose an > inferior product, fail to take advantage of the available safety > options, and still maintain a majority presence in my hobby. > I can save you a LOT of time and trouble obsessing. *It's because we want to* There. Now you can move on with your life. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 15:25:52 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=qhxTh9Lpcg/B2vpWxirACpot/f3qWxXlNQGvRlNCY38h3+9bEv1WW7tv4vk83xoHW1RSjMpkilFZbfx8E8tdxVfaCeFoP7dyzqq63W5OntqPsY4+AgTC0Ykl/Hl8N332wp/60C3R+Q/ZHqlHMufE55zd8B4OUB3SI0l6gsW2Y2c= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:25:46 -0600 From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:33:45 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: > Before someone (probably one of my kids) throws something at me - the > Norton is a parallel twin, not a V-twin. I started to say something, but then realized that perhaps I shouldn't do so, should I want to be allowed to put my motorcycle in your garage when I move back to Va . . . :) -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 15:41:18 2004 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:39:49 -0500 From: Skip To: adamme1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. X-Tasam-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Tasam-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Tasam-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.145, required 6, AWL -2.15) X-MailScanner-From: skip@XXXXXX adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > From: Skip > > Date: 2004/11/30 Tue AM 09:58:16 EST > > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. > > > > Aki Damme wrote: > > > > > > My question is, what *is* it with the non-Harley riders > > > fascination with Harleys riders > > > and their bikes? > > > > > > for me, it's the obsession with understanding people who choose an > > inferior product, fail to take advantage of the available safety > > options, and still maintain a majority presence in my hobby. > > > > I can save you a LOT of time and trouble obsessing. > > *It's because we want to* > > There. Now you can move on with your life. ;-) WHEW! glad I got that outta the way! thanks! :~) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 16:36:19 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=VVAD8jJ2KusJeOTjlbs0YF62mUhr4/r6iZpaR5BUFjCv0hJv0aWDj+vt7awr4+S5DK3YyehZHyW2TjaGa2xuXf8KNyjEE4eyEn69RtHfeL/de5RAmtlJ/02byJATLt5iCRtYpTall6w7DCG7pZAI0FGU2y5qxWEI/trNsg0Fccc= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:36:11 -0500 From: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Maybe some people buy bikes and big dollar accessories on the first visit. I'm certainly not one of them, and I doubt many on this list are that type of impulsive buyer. I'd like to have a relationship with a vendor before buying a bike, do the research, shop around, etc. If the sales people ignore me, I'm unlikely to come back. On the other hand, if I hit the door with a slightly goggle-eyed expression, salivating heavily, with a big wad of c-notes oozing out of my pocket and it's the first warm weekend in the Spring, they'll be swarming, I suppose. Maybe I'm just hard to read, since I'm generally poker-faced and very slow to show excitement. First impressions count for a lot. The folks at Clinton Cycles have been insistent about test rides, even when I stop in for some little thing. It certainly helped to create a favorable impression of the brands they sell, and I'm more likely to shop there for little bits and pieces rather than buying them on-line. On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:19:41 EST, penguinbiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 11/30/2004 11:05:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, > dcmcrider@XXXXXX writes: > > > the "invisible customer > > syndrome" surfaces at just about any brand shop, > > Having (god help me) worked in motorcycle sales perhaps I have some small > insight. Salespeople see their time as being _very_ valuable, and in fact it is, > if they waste their time on the wrong (not buying today) customer then another > salesperson will "steal" their customer from them. In the original post the > author pointed out that he was not buying and in fact was just looking. How do > salespeople know? DAMNIFIKNOW!! I _sucked_ at sales. But I do know that the > best salespeople can read a customer the moment they walk through the door and > decide whether they are really there to buy or just "lookyloos." > Are they perfect at reading people? Hell no, it is at best an art. But some > of the ones I have known were remarkable at it. > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European > > 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer > > -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 16:37:20 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Paging Julian...R6 Body work on Craigs List Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:36:55 -0500 Julian, Not sure if you still need body work, but I saw this on Craigs List. http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/50648765.html Rob '98 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 16:41:00 2004 Subject: RE: The Bike Shipping Thread Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:40:58 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > 1,031 miles from Biloxi, according to Streets & Trips. > > Knock off a Saddlesore and get IBA membership before the > weather turns cold. *BEFORE* the weather turns cold?!? Where have you been? :P Stuck the thermometer on the bike last night. It was 48 when I left the house, 40 at the WV border and 45 here in Martinsburg. That's plenty cold enough for me. Were it not for some recently purchased gear, including heated grips, my baby would be parked. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 17:14:02 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=vnzbmOlGCjFakEdzneR+bpl/sp7Ye8BiKeJj9EfD3Mggw2AAAxO7XtDQSVYfFaPsEJ3gEQpYX9YbdkyZyIafpidT2qKHuEj7YTXXbdeWySkiK9ZnUJ2IENF07Lxp+po6r8d3/TZBBoTQOWEz4qNscv9O1j1hhyHtCWx1dBz1f8A= ; Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:13:43 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Aki Damme wrote: > > My question is, what *is* it with the non-Harley riders > fascination with Harleys riders and their bikes? Well, as to the marketing-type obsessors, they're trying to figure out who's going to buy all their Hummers, Lincoln Navigators, and Cadillac Escalades. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 17:18:28 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=s0RBg2GHkCXc0ApEPPf/eZ173o7W05BwISXufhrmuwTm7E0Nvq+CSX0aA77PLyjYVSQ7Qpkf3vZYUkzlx9k1pGihwbLvuur8U1x9G/fnLieckI4ivTFMUT7NUj1FcyNlvo41o9Lu0L8tn6HeRBw7DcLVafPv6LpqGXGz9U65+QI= ; Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:18:11 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. To: dc-cycles --- Skip wrote: > motorcyclists fall into three classes. > .... > Suids How'd Unix geeks get into this discussion? -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 17:25:12 2004 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:23:58 -0500 From: Skip To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. X-Tasam-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Tasam-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Tasam-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.089, required 6, AWL -2.09) X-MailScanner-From: skip@XXXXXX "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > > --- Skip wrote: > > > motorcyclists fall into three classes. > > .... > > Suids > > How'd Unix geeks get into this discussion? > > -- Larry sudo says, "typos are bad!" :~) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 17:52:25 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Y7BTnezmZ9KaKAv1lJa3wFCZSAQ5T2b/RWCV2IuBxF/2KgdSK/qtQeB03NLHouMIGrHRsgBp6uaSp2pFn9cn7SY6Gg7EYJ1CIzlWaR/jD4x0xX+sPzekThmL3w94Up7PGCQ6FdmxoP3k8/zbfV5M08+v5JysbZ/9HLd3lMDFR3w= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:52:21 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I started to say something, but then realized that perhaps I shouldn't > do so, should I want to be allowed to put my motorcycle in your garage > when I move back to Va . . . You are wise, Grasshopper. Transverse inline 4s take up a LOT of garage room ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 17:57:07 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=gpjwApNhv9McI08pYmACbT9Eh2TKz+Q+vzphPz+j7TjWWnrOUmH/t2tlHBSJvS9wM0AfexfuioPjb/YU7eDEYW+I5xlOyLVYT60KVcPnHjnxr6quDw1fiiQY658EpJLqLOM/TXaTfLfZYPrnHmo1WHtLmqePUjCknkcpe/hTXaE= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:57:04 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" Subject: Re: The Bike Shipping Thread Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > *BEFORE* the weather turns cold?!? Where have you been? :P No ice yet... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 18:07:00 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=gBY3FugM2pHuksd6Duzkg4aaTRH70KdGZyxb6Ko+9uGblZczFWnsiiurXgko3QIsEKzB1pZCx9FBXiDxEURMCaACWLCoQBSnc0rJ3baXKEjA1C79sqYfLY5SRUW2jAW4YXy9/oAjhsrk4txcedBxQe3fd1aGyDOFjC/aH/l0opo= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:06:53 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Bike Shipping Thread A thousand-miler could be quite comfortable this time of year, if the bike has some wind protection. I'd keep an eye on the forecast, though, if your route includes some higher elevations. Some pretty tasty routes between Biloxi and here, once you get out of South Alabama, that is. On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:57:04 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: > > *BEFORE* the weather turns cold?!? Where have you been? :P > > No ice yet... > > Michael J. > > -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 19:01:10 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:00:31 -0500 Paul, Hear, hear! I have to agree. I have rarely purchased any vehicle on the first visit to a dealer. Now, my wife and I did purchase a used bike back when she first started riding. It wasn't the first stop of the day, but it was the first stop at that store. Of course, we're talking something like $1,500-$2,000 versus 15,000-16,000. I've bought three Audi's from the same salesman, at the same shop, over the last few years. This most recent one involved 3 visits, including several test drives and discussions around options and alternatives. About 7 years ago, that salesman made the effort to establish a relationship with me, and my wife. It appears to have paid off. I have looked at other cars, visited other dealers, even test drove some other cars. I still end up making my purchase from him. Go figure... On the other hand, there are dealerships in the area that I won't step foot in. I'd drive long distances before I would ever go back. Gettysburg H-D is probably going to end up as one of those. Assuming I ever decide to buy a Harley. Criswell did have a 2005 Concours in the showroom... ;^) Perry >From: Paul Wilson >Reply-To: Paul Wilson >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:36:11 -0500 > >Maybe some people buy bikes and big dollar accessories on the first >visit. I'm certainly not one of them, and I doubt many on this list >are that type of impulsive buyer. I'd like to have a relationship >with a vendor before buying a bike, do the research, shop around, etc. >If the sales people ignore me, I'm unlikely to come back. On the >other hand, if I hit the door with a slightly goggle-eyed expression, >salivating heavily, with a big wad of c-notes oozing out of my pocket >and it's the first warm weekend in the Spring, they'll be swarming, I >suppose. > >Maybe I'm just hard to read, since I'm generally poker-faced and very >slow to show excitement. > >First impressions count for a lot. The folks at Clinton Cycles have >been insistent about test rides, even when I stop in for some little >thing. It certainly helped to create a favorable impression of the >brands they sell, and I'm more likely to shop there for little bits >and pieces rather than buying them on-line. > > >On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:19:41 EST, penguinbiker@XXXXXX > wrote: > > In a message dated 11/30/2004 11:05:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > dcmcrider@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > the "invisible customer > > > syndrome" surfaces at just about any brand shop, > > > > Having (god help me) worked in motorcycle sales perhaps I have some >small > > insight. Salespeople see their time as being _very_ valuable, and in >fact it is, > > if they waste their time on the wrong (not buying today) customer then >another > > salesperson will "steal" their customer from them. In the original post >the > > author pointed out that he was not buying and in fact was just looking. >How do > > salespeople know? DAMNIFIKNOW!! I _sucked_ at sales. But I do know that >the > > best salespeople can read a customer the moment they walk through the >door and > > decide whether they are really there to buy or just "lookyloos." > > Are they perfect at reading people? Hell no, it is at best an art. But >some > > of the ones I have known were remarkable at it. > > > > John Walters (Long John) > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > Up near DC > > > > 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European > > > > 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > > 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer > > > > > > >-- >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org >95 VFR - 90 KLR > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 20:19:23 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Z9WihYFH3TkNPI9+ahSee6wOBtpoAv0Og0aVY/iuXNajY4F31sRa+ss0GNQ/Vgf+wiYML1dbQQbsRWNCaB2VRKvRNXZfModxh3J9IlB+6nQaveUGg0KPPYz/0QTJ3Os3HqkTVwesGHeyAZKKUCp8HGGl2UwlvOnujBajwX8/o0g= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:19:16 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: The Bike Shipping Thread Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Some pretty tasty routes between Biloxi and here, > once you get out of South Alabama, that is. That would be L.A. (Lower Alabama) ;-) Biloxi was an assumption on my part (having been stationed there twice) - had to start somewhere. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 20:56:17 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=U2MqP5b6RpkF8ad9ZMGBtKRMY8ALuB4pAKSnHPtMuHrD2xnwRpPTWjKMiiyIthqgHHrg7/0GvwmD45s4S2j7eWaSDvn1Jc1UArKRd1D0z/fx/AXZFCWCxsD4w0opfRlEFKfVHoGqX95SaOWpKXiZWpcbFe2LcmZ/9CHpSSjEfSw= ; Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:56:08 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: The Bike Shipping Thread To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I suggested to him that he should ride it up, but he compained that he doesn't have the time. Wimp. Does anyone have any experience with a company called Forward Air http://www.forwardair.com/ it was suggested to me on another board. --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > Some pretty tasty routes between Biloxi and here, > > once you get out of South Alabama, that is. > > That would be L.A. (Lower Alabama) ;-) > > Biloxi was an assumption on my part (having been > stationed there > twice) - had to start somewhere. > > Michael J. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 21:18:34 2004 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:18:25 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. At 05:13 PM 11/30/2004, you wrote: >Aki Damme wrote: > > > > My question is, what *is* it with the non-Harley riders > > fascination with Harleys riders and their bikes? > >Well, as to the marketing-type obsessors, they're trying >to figure out who's >going to buy all their Hummers, Lincoln Navigators, and >Cadillac Escalades. > >-- Larry now *there's* a market that's bottomed out....at least until the first snowfall. I have no idea why someone thinks they just *have* to have a Hummer when there's one inch of snow on the ground. They probably have a 2 year old Harley in the garage with 50 miles on it too. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 21:30:41 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=oHfA8U7wv0KvA+bO8f+2tEUB6z3En3ClIjge3QVNFUvnWyDzQEF6hvsrE6rzTr1rqn83TMhRbXjsEjkfTMWJv9oRCxNGFZBfVUCno/dOXKHeickbR523TVK9vfdYunJDRdCmxRNAUKVQYaqrM3yUi4/a7qvu9hIFGqTcaV9Vpc8= ; Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:30:25 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: The Bike Shipping Thread To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: barkdog600rr@XXXXXX --- Mike Moore wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with a company called > Forward Air http://www.forwardair.com/ it was > suggested to me on another board. I had a bike shipped from Oregon to Dulles Airport by Forward Air -- they're about as cheap as you can get, and they have freight terminals at just about every major airport. They basically strap the bike into a crude slatted crate atop a skid. Not the most impressive packing, but it worked. The bike I shipped arrived just fine, at about $375 cross-country for a 375 pound bike. I haven't heard any FA disaster stories anywhere. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 21:40:54 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=AX642Xrs+SOQ0UJ/Ozpj3YhSgJjrmntaJXQAX+TrHZyRc5OtmaMuo5+awW7bIgcJooZoHqhquwVWwe+RM8FUNkyifb0XKB38qJqi+JSxT192wd1SpDGn7ci6qM8EAMX6ie61HFEKxnNOvXJDHNo0PnECO7Nt41iiGd+8C3Lw5aM= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:40:49 -0600 From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Bike Shipping Thread Forward Air is the bike-shipping company of choice within the roadracing community. Whenever this thread appears within a roadracing forum (as it does multiple times at the end of every race season when people start selling/buying bikes), the overwhelming response is Forward Air. Try poking around the BBS at WERA.com for more info. > --- Mike Moore wrote: > > Does anyone have any experience with a company called > > Forward Air http://www.forwardair.com/ -- Sean Jordan Shoot to Thrill Photography From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 30 23:25:29 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:25:18 EST Subject: Re: Ramblings on Harleys, etc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 11/30/2004 4:37:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, dcmcrider@XXXXXX writes: > First impressions count for a lot. The folks at Clinton Cycles have > been insistent about test rides, even when I stop in for some little > thing. Interesting. I am _SO_ invisible when I walk into that shop... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX