From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 09:14:29 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 06:14:23 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Place to leave a cage along I95 South To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've used the Park and Ride at the intersection of 234 and I-95 with no problems. Glenn --- David Blumgart wrote: > My wife and I have plans later next month for a trip > down south. Circumstances dictate that I'll ride > over from Herndon; she'll be driving the cage down > from Maryland. The plan is to meet somewhere along > I95 south of the VA Beltway and leave the car on > Saturday and perhaps some of Sunday, then retrieve > it for the drive home. It'd be real neat not to > find our car towed away in our absence, and not > broken in to would be a bonus. Any suggestions? > > mojohand > (GS-500E; W650) > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 10:32:40 2004 Subject: Replies to a quick ride report Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:32:37 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "dc Cycles" Any time on the bike is better then most things I can think of. I managed to get up after about four hours sleep and ride all day yesterday. Maryland is a treasure..saw High Rock for the first time and got some great pics of a few bikes..wil have to figure out where to post them. Rode a KLR yesterday...what a blast!!!!!! I would love to do 211 after my bike get sout of the shop..the brakes are not grabbing and I an waiting on a new front wheel..hope your bike arrives soon. As to that dreaded job I have two, by day as an analyst at a small software firm, by night slinging drinks...this is an expensive hobby! -----Original Message----- From: smthng else [mailto:smthngelse@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:54 AM To: dc Cycles Subject: Re: Out sick - gone riding > Back on the 66 and a JMU law student is pacing me in her Toyota Corolla. > Passes me cuts in front of me and brakes. I signal, pass left and head > back into the right lane. She pulls out passes me and does the cut in > and brake dance. B-E-0-T-C-H! I hate that. Seems to happen a lot on 66 as well. Generally that indicates to me that the bike either needs a brief exercise at redline or I need to pull over somewhere and take a quick break. :P > The colors seem different this year. No vibrant reds.....just russet > brown. I seem to recall it being like that the past two years. Unfortunately, it doesn't take very much to convince our Shenandoah trees to drop thier leaves and one or two rains pretty much knocks off anything of color. It's gorgeous when you can catch the leaves turning, but it's generally got to be a pretty dry season for that to happen. I ride till Bootens Gap and then turn around. Chilled to the > Anyday not at my desk is a great one but I felt a little let down by > Virginia yesterday. The minute I hit Falls Church I was back in the > sun and the atmosphere brightened. Sounds a little like my two days of following the hurricane. Not a whole lot of fun, but hella better than work. Speaking of which... "your desk"? Did you get a new job and not tell? While I don't envy the job I thought you had (did that in college for a while), I seem to recall that your desk is "stocked" like I wish mine was at times. :) > 211 was kind of like Luke Skywalker's > vision in a cave...a grim warning of what could be. The cold asphalt > and my tire were not bonding and there was a lot of traffic. I love 211 on a weekday afternoon around 2 or 3 pm, but hate it on weekends or in bad weather. It's loads of fun when you can really play on it, but it's fairly nerve-wracking in other conditions. Maybe we can get a decent run up there when I get my new scoot, hopefully before the weather turns really nasty for the winter. I'll email you off-list when I get an idea of when I might be able to if you like (still waiting on new bike... hopefully this week some time - I can convince the bosses I need a mental day for that). :) --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 10:58:50 2004 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:58:45 -0500 To: "dc Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Replies to a quick ride report At 10:32 AM 11/1/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: >Any time on the bike is better then most things I can think of. I >managed to get up after about four hours sleep and ride all day You know how your body responds better than anyone else, so I just want to make a generic note that fatigue is just about as crippling to good riding ability as drinking is...please be careful about it. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 11:39:03 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:38:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , dc Cycles Subject: Halloween ride report, was Re: Replies to a quick ride report Shameless plug time. All the sordid details and a few pictures here on my site -- www.wilsonline.org It *was* a beautiful day. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton Any time on the bike is better then most things I can think of. I managed to get up after about four hours sleep and ride all day yesterday. Maryland is a treasure..saw High Rock for the first time and got some great pics of a few bikes..wil have to figure out where to post them. Rode a KLR yesterday...what a blast!!!!!! ..... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 13:13:21 2004 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:12:36 -0500 From: Skip To: DC Cycles , sabmag Subject: ride report I've been commuting on my bike, but that isn't what I like, as it's been all highway -- all of the risk, very little of the reward. I've pretty much worn out my rear doing it, and I needed some twisties. so I was talking to a guy at a halloween party about going for a ride, and he's definitely up for it. It's late, and folks are into their cups, but he says that he'll definitely call me before noon. I rang him up at 12:10, and he was still in recovery mode from the previous night's activities, and begged off. I walk out side, an I'm dazzled by the day. nice temps, not a cloud in the sky, the smell of leaves in the air. I fire up the willing engine, responding with a sputter, cause my choke passages are a bit clogged, but she starts. where to go....where to go? Well, since I'm in "The Chester of Win" the answer is what Horace Greely was purported to have said, "Go West, young man!" I head out what I thought was 50, but it turned out to be 522. no matter, I've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes... wait. make that 1/4 tank of gas, and two smokes. rolling along, I recognize, I think, the turn to go to my dad's mountain retreat, "Haute View". I take the road. it seems familiar, but I hadn't been up there in a couple years. I'm not entirely sure if I'm on the right road or not, but the day is just beautiful. I've got my gear on and I'm perfectly comfortable. the trees, while past their peak, are still blazing fulgently in the sunshine. I pass the turn for "Paw Paw" and see a sign for "slanesville". Hey! I'm on the right road! At Slanesville I fill up the tank... $2.03/gal is a bit steep, but when you're only getting 5 gallons, it doesn't really matter. I turn up the road towards pop's place, and it's just perfect. nice sweepers, relaxed cruising at 80. as we climb the mountain, things get more technical, and I'm still cruising, albeit a little more aggressively... the bike flicking back and forth, rolling on the throttle as I exit one turn, setting up for the next. no one's in front of me, no one is behind. West Virginia is, for the moment, all mine. Cresting the mountain, I glimpse a valley. miles and miles of nothing, save some power lines. You can have the most beautiful view in the world in west virginia, so long as you don't mind the power lines. At the bottom of the mountain I turn up another road. this is a bit more technical, and a bit more unfamiliar. I'm in full on carving mode, not hauling ass, but just fully in the moment. I crest a hill, the road turns left, and my turn is to he right, onto gravel. I decide that i've missed the turn as soon as I see it, and I'll just turn around at the next opportunity, a "neighborhood" another 100 yds up the road. I can see where the water runs across the gravel entrance road, and there's a little bit of a ditch. noting much, a couple inches at most. except it's more like 12 inches, just full of leaves to camouflage it. the front wheel drops and stops. I was prepared for a bit of a bump, so I don't fall over. in fact, I don't even need to put my feet down. "Hmmm," says I, "This isn't good." we (me and the bike) were stuck. a little throttle results in a little spinning wheel. hmmm. perhaps this would be a good time for a smoke and some inspection. I get off, the bike remains upright. hmmm. checking things out, it looks like there is no was in hell I can pull the front out by myself, but if I move the rear, I can probably get it into the ditch too, and maybe move it 'downstream' where the ditch isn't so bad. I really only need to make it about 3 or 4 feet. Yeah, I know what you're thinking, and I was thinking the same thing. I'm going to go from one wheel stuck in the ditch to both, but stuck is stuck, and if it's one wheel or both and I need help, I need help. better to do something and maybe make it than to do nothing and not make it for sure. V65 sabre's are heavy. I mean -really heavy- I succeeded in getting the rear into the ditch, and wonder of wonders, it rolled right out. yay me! I make it up to pop's cabin, can't remember the combination for the gate, but I remember where the spare key is stored. I chill out for an hour or so, and head back. probably 2 hours of riding, 20 minutes in the ditch, all of it glorious. time for new rubber on the rear. I've worn through the tread rubber in at least one place, and it slipped out on me as I rolled on coming through a turn. that made things a bit more exciting :~) I maintained smooth throttle and just rode it out. I did have one fuckup that could have turned really bad if I'd been at 9/10ths instead of 5... I come out of one lefthander and misread the road. it went hard right, and it looked like it went straight. I pushed right, I leaned right, I started in bad position, and I was scraping already. I braked. I stayed in my lane, so chances are I would have made the turn, but it was cresting a hill, and I wasn't confident my tires were going to hold traction. On the ride back, I followed a considerate driver. he made a pass on a slow car, and I followed. i kept a nice following distance on him cause he wasn't holding me up much at all. we drove for a few miles, and he pulled over and waved me by. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 14:36:22 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dealer charge to replace fork seals? Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:35:57 -0500 I seem to recall independant motorcycle shops charging about 60 per side... I guess you can expect the dealer to charge more and thus i'm not very helpful I remember there being in the archive somewhere a post with leon explaining how to do it yourself... which I need to dig up because i have a few I need to do. - Danny On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:49:21 -0500, "Gary Foreman" wrote: >Anyone know what the going rate is to change fork seals? Either with forks >on or off the bike? > >This just for reference for a friend. > >Gary Foreman > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 15:24:55 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eXyTaiueHJWaAsdYInwEOKUa4q4s3FxE+Zz2oxZdkSKDbTsbsmxNO1BXHlW3aEVzXcBv5AsLqedRaLox4i74sLjZyTBY1glAIy1jhVnGbre+X4AGkuP0vyAU34qODI5ysVkLu6g2Q/tFw9HpHrBRLX7ucr+HtZ0Fv8eUM2MtVc4= Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:24:43 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: dc Cycles Subject: Ural? Okay - so I've got this crazy idea that maybe it's time to expand the stable. Since my R1150GS is pretty much a do everything except snow/ice bike, I thought maybe I should round out my collection with a hack - a Ural sidecar rig to be specific. Probably the Patrol, 'cause you gotta dig 2WD (never know when you might get stuck in a ditch, for instance). Somebody please talk me out of it, or at least let me know if there are any recommended dealers around . . . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 15:45:53 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:45:34 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Ural? To: Aaron Maurer , dc Cycles Paul Pelland rode a Ural in the Iron Butt Rally in '01. His story is out on the 'net somewhere. In 10,000 miles, he used 3 different engines. To get the third one to finish, he had to replace a pushrod. At the end of the story, the best he could say about it was that it was the most repairable bike he ever rode. Isn't there a way to connect a sidecar to your R1150GS? If not, perhaps you should consider the Honda Nighthawk 250 and hack similar to what Virginia MSF was using a few years ago. Leon Ninja 250 - didn't have to change engines during the IBR. --- Aaron Maurer wrote: > Okay - so I've got this crazy idea that maybe it's > time to expand the > stable. Since my R1150GS is pretty much a do > everything except > snow/ice bike, I thought maybe I should round out my > collection with a > hack - a Ural sidecar rig to be specific. Probably > the Patrol, 'cause > you gotta dig 2WD (never know when you might get > stuck in a ditch, for > instance). > > Somebody please talk me out of it, or at least let > me know if there > are any recommended dealers around . . . > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 15:52:57 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=n7tzquHeS26Fx6b81NTyhvXYQ6QXlM5Jq7cV3JDU3EJen6eeDk2F+8sZ//BprKtZ6kWDg16PihBisy1JP3yjtfWfMHmAqXdO1C29AoCVGKp3yYoSTvTke+ddeGeq2TZHqdOLNFY2tH6axBtuoGEx8OAagslsOHCEdn85M+W7UFg= Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:52:38 -0500 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: Aaron Maurer Subject: Re: Ural? Cc: dc Cycles > Somebody please talk me out of it, or at least let me know if there > are any recommended dealers around . . . There was a dealer in Winchester a few years back was selling Urals. Just off I-81 north of the city - East side of exit 321, if I remember correctly. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 16:01:34 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:01:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Aaron Maurer , dc Cycles Subject: Re: Ural? Cc: bmckeithen@XXXXXX Bob McKeithen has a sidecar rig of some description. I'll try to smoke him out with a cc. He's on digest and might not see this thread. Chris Norloff has one too, as I recall. OTOH, I've done OK on just two wheels (plus two feet, AKA outriggers) for the past four winters. I've missed maybe ten days of riding to work due to snow and ice. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Maurer Okay - so I've got this crazy idea that maybe it's time to expand the stable. Since my R1150GS is pretty much a do everything except snow/ice bike, I thought maybe I should round out my collection with a hack - a Ural sidecar rig to be specific. .... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 16:04:06 2004 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 1 Nov 2004 21:03:45 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:03:44 -0500 Subject: Ural? Whooboy.... From The Iron Butt website. Quite funny. "...Just the reverse was true for rider Paul Pelland. Paul and the Siberian Speed Team Ural Solo had not made the earlier Pomona checkpoint. Most had assumed that the Russian built bike was deadski when the URAL went missing at Pomona. Many assumed that Paul might now be sipping Vodka somewhere in the southeast, mourning the loss of this flower of mother Russia's mechanical manufacturing might and his chance at an Iron Butt finish. But Nyet! Paul had traveled about one hundred miles from Madison when the URAL's engine seized. This was surprising as many URAL's have been known to travel many hundreds of miles without experiencing serious engine problems. Paul was able to locate a URAL dealer and was towed east for repair. Since the large 750CC engine is new to the 2001 model year, the only option open to Paul was a swap for an older 650CC engine. The swap would leave Paul without the advanced state-of-art 750CC engine features like electric start. Paul resumed his stalled rally and headed west. He got as far as Arkansas when again he almost ran out of Hope. The URAL's stolid suspension was quickly compressed by a road depression resulting in a medium speed wobble. The precision handlebar mounted steering dampener could not overcome this vicious assault of Arkansas roadway. A tank slapper ensued and the Siberian Speed Team was once again sadly grounded. After a copious application of duct tape, the injection of two tubes of JBWeld and the artful manipulation of the URAL multipurpose tool (a two pound hammer) Paul continued his westward assault to collect a gas receipt in lieu of the missed checkpoint. After arriving in Pomona he putted north. Along his route he was able to enjoy nine additional unscheduled rest breaks. Miraculously these breaks coincided perfectly with the occurrence of connector failures and mismatched wiring harness anomalies resulting from the earlier engine swap. At Sunnyside Paul took advantage of the crack URAL field warranty repair service provided in the parking lot of the adjacent Travelodge. A sparkling new 750CC engine, the only other in North America, replaced the JBWeld encrusted 650cc workhorse. Its scars now covered, its cracks concealed, it's power plant reloaded, the Airhead was now ready. As was the URAL...." -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 18:01:46 2004 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:01:12 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Ural? To: dc Cycles My brother down in TX just added a sidecar to his 2004 Silver Wing. He and his wife are loving it for puddling around the Dallas area, as an alternative to breaking out the Valkyrie and Magna. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 1 19:31:27 2004 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 19:31:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: David Blumgart CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ural? Whooboy.... David Blumgart wrote: > From The Iron Butt website. > > > "... Siberian Speed Team...." After all these years, that *still* cracks me up. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 05:10:28 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 05:08:12 -0500 Subject: Side cars/Ural etc From: Bob McKeithen To: amaurer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) (Debian) at filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Paul is correct. My rig is a '93 Moto Guzzi California III with a Ural sidecar. I considered and researched the Ural for a couple of years. They have improved dramatically in the last three years and are wonderful bikes if used as they where intended. With only thirty some horse power they are best suited for two lane slower roads--not a bad thing--but somewhat limited for all around use. After all though we may hate them, we have to use the interstate at times. The low horse power limits top speed to about sixty to sixty-five. And you need to remember that is maxed out. So, if you only want a "snow bike", I would say go for it as long as you realize the limitations. In the end I wanted something more broadly useful. I wanted to be able to do long distance two passenger and luggage touring if I choose. My rig will run comfortably at 80 mph all day. For Winter I have installed a Dunlop Trailmax rear tire. I have less than $8000 invested in my outfit A couple notes on side cars in general. Don't get one if you don't enjoy talking to strangers. People at gas stations will want to talk to you about it. The cage-bound public generally reacts more positively to the side driver than the solo rider. They smile, point and wave on the road--especially when I have one of the dogs in the car and the dogs love it too. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 06:08:14 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 03:08:11 -0800 (PST) From: Buster Rockville Subject: Tire Recommendations for a ZZR 600 (Vintage Sportbike) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey guys, I ride an '02 ZZR 600 (vintage sportbike now considered a sport tourer) and am in need of a front tire. The bike has ~9000 miles and still wears the stock tires (bridgestone battlax BT series). The owner's manual recommends the following tires as possible replacements ( bridgestone battlax BT, michelin A89X, pirelli MTR01, or Metzler MEZ1's). Which one of these tires would you recommend for sport touring use? I often ride with various sportbike groups on the weekends. Also, is it bad to mix tire brands/models on the front and rear? The rear tires on my bike still have some life on them. Thanks in adv! Jeff from Rockville __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 06:30:27 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 03:30:17 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Out sick - gone riding To: dc Cycles --- Dave Yates wrote: > >At 10:39 AM 10/29/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > > > >>you still with me, I need some recommendations on > layering. > >Electric vest/pants/gloves/socks/grips? (though > probably > >not all of those unless your alternator is exceptionally > > >beefy!) > > [Dave] All modern sport bikes can handle electrics, > unless > they have panache... i finally got a gerbings liner last xmas.... and i am no longer an idiot. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 06:35:57 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 06:53:55 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Tire Recommendations for a ZZR 600 (Vintage Sportbike) On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Buster Rockville wrote: > The owner's manual recommends the following tires as > possible replacements ( bridgestone battlax BT, > michelin A89X, pirelli MTR01, or Metzler MEZ1's). > Which one of these tires would you recommend for sport > touring use? I often ride with various sportbike > groups on the weekends. I haven't used one, but the BT020 should fit the bill for your bike. I've used a BT010 on my 'Busa and it worked well on the rear, delivering around 3500 miles of use. I have a more aggressive BT014 on the bike now. > Also, is it bad to mix tire brands/models on the front > and rear? The rear tires on my bike still have some > life on them. I've used different BT-series tires front/rear (damn bike east rear tires ;-)), but I wouldn't mismatch brands front/rear. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 06:42:12 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 03:42:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire Recommendations for a ZZR 600 (Vintage Sportbike) To: Buster Rockville , dc-cycles@XXXXXX jeff: it's best to stick with the same tire combination front/rear, but many folks have had success interchanging the right radials. however, at 9k (and 2+ years), you likely need both front AND rear tires -- so why not get a matching set. and don't be fooled by the tread wear indicators.... the last tread left in a tire goes very quickly. you'll be back for the rear a few rides later. go to cad in g-burg (301 977-7188?). they'll stock plenty of rubber to fit your zx. --- Buster Rockville wrote: > Hey guys, > > I ride an '02 ZZR 600 (vintage sportbike now > considered a sport tourer) and am in need of a front > tire. The bike has ~9000 miles and still wears the > stock tires (bridgestone battlax BT series). > > The owner's manual recommends the following tires as > possible replacements ( bridgestone battlax BT, > michelin A89X, pirelli MTR01, or Metzler MEZ1's). > Which one of these tires would you recommend for sport > touring use? I often ride with various sportbike > groups on the weekends. > > Also, is it bad to mix tire brands/models on the front > and rear? The rear tires on my bike still have some > life on them. > > Thanks in adv! > > Jeff from Rockville > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 06:46:12 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 03:46:04 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: VTX/cruiser range To: "De Boeser, Tom" , DC-CYCLES the modified vtx in question sounds like it is tuned incorrectly. (was power commander professionally installed and tuned?) similar to when i picked up a bad fi chip. bike ran REALLY rich and got a little better than half the mileage it should have. new chip solved everything. --- "De Boeser, Tom" wrote: > Hey, > Gotta buddy considering buying a used '03 VTX, its got > vanson pipes > and a power commander. The owner has graciously let my > buddy ride to > work a coupla time this week. The tank range doesn't > seem right. It's > 4.5gal, my buddy says he can't make a round trip. He > needs to stop on > the way back home, his commute is about 45 miles one way. > So he's > around 90miles on the tank without much left in it. > I see mostly cruisers on my way to work, and I know > they are probably > 50+ miles one way (i see them at beginning on 95 HOV, and > they don't get > off a last exit before pentagon). It seems to me a stock > VTX should get > 120 to 130 miles to the tank. > Do any cruiser types have similar experience? Does a > VTX get really > bad gas mileage? He's gonna play with the power > commander, and he > doesn't ride too fast 65 to 75mph. He likes cruisers, > and this bike is > a good deal, talking him into a touring bike won't work > ;). > > Thanks for any input, > > Tom de '03 ST1300 > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 10:18:48 2004 Reply-To: fgrefe@XXXXXX From: "Fred Grefe" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:18:43 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 3320233de968f2c594f5150ab1c16ac08f4233f47979de26b1540be5cf1e9976b5ae8d5786d7213f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c I need to pick up a motorcycle in Ohio and I am currently truckless. I thought about getting one of the small trucks from u-haul, but when the mileage charges get added on it will be too expensive. Does anyone know if there is a rental place that won't charge for mileage? I'm in Manassas if that helps. Thanks, Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 10:52:40 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:51:58 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Bob McKeithen , amaurer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Side cars/Ural etc Or, Riderwearhouse will sell you a stud gun and 1,000 carbide-tipped tire studs for ~$350. A little too hard core for me. If it's too slippery for knobbies, I think I'll keep it parked. The Aerostich catalog has a photo of Paul Pelland making pushrods for his Ural on a grinder at a hardware store. :) 30 hp, eh? How much do those Urals weigh? The KLR650 only makes about 35 hp, and apparently folks have fitted them with sidecars. -----Original Message----- From: Bob McKeithen Paul is correct. My rig is a '93 Moto Guzzi California III with a Ural sidecar. I considered and researched the Ural for a couple of years. They have improved dramatically in the last three years and are wonderful bikes if used as they where intended. ... Bob Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 11:57:49 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=mNuEjORUi4SyNeEN4AmZ41W8J8hbT4GL6ug88oTolE0MiNnrvJI6ZUubLFzWA9py13ONf/9SyTTtFLrdy5ieXsTmdWAMyV5FFJHhSXDe7p26fAmTmtnRa6Pf6mJUbNZulkDp3YiGh4LhJmVJ6o4gDz5kLA9Oxi/usauYvekfEwM= Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:57:47 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer Reply-To: Aaron Maurer To: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: Side cars/Ural etc Cc: Bob McKeithen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX The new 750 cc Urals have a little more power, but those in the know still suggest 65 mph as the top sustained speed. Here's a great resource -- login as a guest and browse away. http://imzwa.secureforum.com/login It looks like the closest dealer is in Richmond. On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:51:58 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Paul Wilson wrote: > Or, Riderwearhouse will sell you a stud gun and 1,000 carbide-tipped tire studs for ~$350. A little too hard core for me. If it's too slippery for knobbies, I think I'll keep it parked. > > The Aerostich catalog has a photo of Paul Pelland making pushrods for his Ural on a grinder at a hardware store. :) > > 30 hp, eh? How much do those Urals weigh? The KLR650 only makes about 35 hp, and apparently folks have fitted them with sidecars. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob McKeithen > > Paul is correct. My rig is a '93 Moto Guzzi California III with a Ural > sidecar. > > I considered and researched the Ural for a couple of years. They have > improved dramatically in the last three years and are wonderful bikes > if used as they where intended. ... > > Bob > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 12:36:05 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CD5APddHS3RlX0gZf7roI6yOCftl5PzwFfj+pN7sK/ao7IttbcJeqPxiNSv6g6C2RrehGTj3Sf/WfRYcJT3w/orb2NScrpjB0VUssZEN1Q8BY/tFyfenEEXH0Sr6vEBa25g2GGEEU5xbbQx3mA+gFUUVWcAwqKvO5tcy9tCjpVw= Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:35:52 -0500 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? > I need to pick up a motorcycle in Ohio and I am currently truckless. Ohio's not all that far - ride the beast home. Or is it a Harley? Michael (running & ducking) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 13:03:31 2004 From: Daniel To: fgrefe@XXXXXX Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:03:08 -0500 I'd recommend buying a trailer. On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:18:43 -0500, "Fred Grefe" wrote: >I need to pick up a motorcycle in Ohio and I am currently truckless. I >thought about getting one of the small trucks from u-haul, but when the >mileage charges get added on it will be too expensive. Does anyone know >if there is a rental place that won't charge for mileage? I'm in Manassas >if that helps. > >Thanks, >Fred > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 13:17:07 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:17:04 -0500 From: stephen@XXXXXX To: fgrefe@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server A cheaper option is to purchase a trailer hitch for your car ($150-$250) and then rent an open trailer ($20/day or so). Your total cost will run you less than the truck rental and you'll get to keep the hitch for the next time you need to rent a trailer to haul something. Quoting Fred Grefe : > I need to pick up a motorcycle in Ohio and I am currently truckless. I > thought about getting one of the small trucks from u-haul, but when the > mileage charges get added on it will be too expensive. Does anyone know > if there is a rental place that won't charge for mileage? I'm in Manassas > if that helps. > > Thanks, > Fred > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 15:27:25 2004 Reply-To: fgrefe@XXXXXX From: "Fred Grefe" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:27:20 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 3320233de968f2c594f5150ab1c16ac08f4233f47979de269403d5d84826b779d6a23dd5ce8dc898350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c No, its a DR350S. If it was a H-D it would of course come with a trailer, so I wouldn't have this problem. -Fred > [Original Message] > From: Michael Jordan > To: dc-cycles > Date: 11/2/2004 12:36:05 PM > Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? > > > I need to pick up a motorcycle in Ohio and I am currently truckless. > > Ohio's not all that far - ride the beast home. > > Or is it a Harley? > > Michael (running & ducking) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 15:30:31 2004 Reply-To: fgrefe@XXXXXX From: "Fred Grefe" To: "Daniel" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:30:28 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 3320233de968f2c594f5150ab1c16ac08f4233f47979de26f663da6a743ff8f19b0bf989dfd88dec350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Yeah, I thought about that, but I'd also have to buy a hitch and wire up everything. More fun would be to buy a welder and try to make one. -Fred > [Original Message] > From: Daniel > To: > Cc: dc-cycles > Date: 11/2/2004 1:03:21 PM > Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? > > I'd recommend buying a trailer. > > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:18:43 -0500, "Fred Grefe" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 15:33:50 2004 Reply-To: fgrefe@XXXXXX From: "Fred Grefe" To: "stephen@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:33:44 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 3320233de968f2c594f5150ab1c16ac08f4233f47979de264868cfcc65a9164cba70fd7e71ba1583350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c I looked at that option, but the truck rental would be about 1/2 the price. Now if you factor in the joy of seeing my wifes face after I hooked up a hitch to her Mitsubishi Eclipse and put one of those spinning propellers on it, then its about even. -Fred > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Cc: dc-cycles > Date: 11/2/2004 1:17:04 PM > Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? > > A cheaper option is to purchase a trailer hitch for your car ($150-$250) and > then rent an open trailer ($20/day or so). Your total cost will run you less > than the truck rental and you'll get to keep the hitch for the next time you > need to rent a trailer to haul something. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 16:21:36 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:16:59 -0500 To: fgrefe@XXXXXX, "dc-cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? At 03:27 PM 11/2/04 -0500, Fred Grefe wrote: >No, its a DR350S. If it was a H-D it would of course come with a trailer, >so I wouldn't have this problem. Really? Damn! I was cheated! Only had a trailer back when I had Yamahas and Hondas...though a trailer would be nice for getting the Harley in for service every few thousand miles. Easier than arranging rides when it isn't a while-you-wait oil change deal. If you want to rent a trailer from U-Haul, be sure to check that they will rent one to you for the vehicle you have to pull it. They are picky about that I hear. I checked with the local dealer for the Trailer In A Bag...it's about $1200. If you don't have space to store the other kinds, that might be a good deal, but it seems steep to me for a single rail bike-only trailer. Only paid $150 for the one I used to have (similar hauling capability but it didn't break down without a cutting torch), and I got the tie downs thrown in free. Of course, it was used, not new. Good luck with your transport issues. There are companies that will ship bikes for you, but that will cost more than renting a trailer. Maybe even than buying a trailer if you look around a bit. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 16:21:38 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:21:07 -0500 To: fgrefe@XXXXXX, "Daniel" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Cc: "dc-cycles" At 03:30 PM 11/2/04 -0500, Fred Grefe wrote: >Yeah, I thought about that, but I'd also have to buy a hitch and wire up >everything. More fun would be to buy a welder and try to make one. The hitch installer will do the wiring for you. They just tap into your brake and running light wires anyway, so it's not a big deal. Make one? I've thought about it, but I want to get a whole lot better at welding before I attempt anything like that. A busted weld on my current project won't hurt anything. The wrong weld breaking on a trailer could get expensive in a hurry, especially with a poor design. If you are a trained welder, go for it though...I've seen offers of plans for sale on the net in various places so you don't have to design it yourself if you don't want to. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 17:08:28 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:07:55 -0500 great little car. Hitch it! On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:33:44 -0500, "Fred Grefe" wrote: >I looked at that option, but the truck rental would be about 1/2 the price. >Now if you factor in the joy of seeing my wifes face after I hooked up a >hitch to her Mitsubishi Eclipse and put one of those spinning propellers on >it, then its about even. > >-Fred > > >> [Original Message] >> From: >> To: >> Cc: dc-cycles >> Date: 11/2/2004 1:17:04 PM >> Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? >> >> A cheaper option is to purchase a trailer hitch for your car ($150-$250) >and >> then rent an open trailer ($20/day or so). Your total cost will run you >less >> than the truck rental and you'll get to keep the hitch for the next time >you >> need to rent a trailer to haul something. >> >> > >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 17:46:25 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=nDtl45ZIGOOUx36bD8TeyN8mnFXEn/BuRrYTFF6NDUlkVpwCH9K5Lf1LgLYV0a3d0XeKp56lkSt0tbDZn6rI8gE95fnWmOu/hSNKcinFtRi7RdIpcjSoukqWI7VOSr7KduYh7WJtLZgTlMx8xXixUKYUWrJ4ZQcTGRalRtMiBdg= Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:46:22 -0500 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: Daniel Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX There used to be a trailer manufacturer up in Laurel - Perone Trailers. Bought a nice 4X8 tilt-bed trailer from them a number of years ago for around $450. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 18:17:36 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=IlFB431/V1c5vvCLPaEe11zQxE++nM4bdMwnF0lWVqm71GS/ZkaHbh8QE3/TY9xy8GmYbSW+H4hVDTPI+0b1X5Fc8UFlPlnfqhInQ3ErJc4Db6q+0zVQpphYYeQBPe5uPYH8eC1AAuFySsmjs6n0qZU7SftUmk38+4Am2DqXAxA= Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:17:18 -0500 From: Thomas Jordan Reply-To: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Perone is still there, drive by it frequently, approx. directly through the median from Laurel Racetrak. Another good place is Hillwood in Gainesville. On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:46:22 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: > There used to be a trailer manufacturer up in Laurel - Perone Trailers. > > Bought a nice 4X8 tilt-bed trailer from them a number of years ago for > around $450. > > Michael J. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 18:59:59 2004 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:59:57 -0500 From: stephen@XXXXXX To: fgrefe@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server If you can get a truck rental to Ohio and back for less than $200 including mileage and gas that would be the way to go. You might also be able to get a u- haul one-way from there to here. That would mean finding a friend to go with you to drive the car back, or getting a really big truck and putting the car in the back with the bike ... You did say it was an eclipse .. should be small enough to fit in the back of a 35 footer with the Hardley in front of it. And then give spouse the option .. the trailer hitch on the Eclipse, or driving the eclipse onto the bed of a 35' truck. I'd go for the hitch. Some U-Haul locations install them for you while you wait. All this for a DR350? Aren't you going to spend more on getting it back here than it's worth .. oops .. that was out loud .. Stephen Quoting Fred Grefe : > I looked at that option, but the truck rental would be about 1/2 the price. > Now if you factor in the joy of seeing my wifes face after I hooked up a > hitch to her Mitsubishi Eclipse and put one of those spinning propellers on > it, then its about even. > > -Fred From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 19:24:34 2004 From: "Shane" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 11/02/04 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:23:34 -0500 Fred, I have a trailer that can be used if you get a hitch. Shane Shanesr74@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 20:12:26 2004 Reply-To: fgrefe@XXXXXX From: "Fred Grefe" To: "stephen@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 20:12:22 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 3320233de968f2c594f5150ab1c16ac08f4233f47979de26ccac95a5067d96b2ee606209554f9513350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > wait. All this for a DR350? Aren't you going to spend more on getting it back > here than it's worth .. oops .. that was out loud .. More than its worth...why I oughta... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 20:37:34 2004 X-Superb-Authentication: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 20:37:29 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Cc: Daniel X-Spam-Level: Another option would be to pick one up at Harbor Freight for around $200. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=90154 (It is cheaper at the store, usually) They have a store at Potomac Mills and stock the trailers there. It might be hard to get all of the parts into your Eclipse to get home and build it, and it will take you an evening with a wrench to put it together, but it is more than enough to haul almost any bike. You can either install a channel, make one out of a 2x6 and some 1x6s or just deck it with plywood. My brother has one and has put many thousands of miles on it. I am going to buy one soon for transporting my bike to Florida when I move. ($200 for the trailer vs $700 to ship it) Chris >To: Daniel >Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >There used to be a trailer manufacturer up in Laurel - Perone Trailers. > >Bought a nice 4X8 tilt-bed trailer from them a number of years ago for >around $450. > >Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 20:40:28 2004 X-Superb-Authentication: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 20:40:24 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Cc: Daniel X-Spam-Level: Forgot to mention, you could get the short trailer and the motorcycle kit, http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=5003 and be good to go as well. I just like the 12 inch tires on the bigger trailer vs the 8 inch ones on the shorty. Chris >To: Daniel >Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >There used to be a trailer manufacturer up in Laurel - Perone Trailers. > >Bought a nice 4X8 tilt-bed trailer from them a number of years ago for >around $450. > >Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 20:57:15 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: fgrefe@XXXXXX, "stephen@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 20:58:43 -0500 On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 20:12:22 -0500, Fred Grefe wrote > > wait. All this for a DR350? Aren't you going to spend more on getting it > back > > here than it's worth .. oops .. that was out loud .. > > More than its worth...why I oughta... take his advice ? :-D -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 21:48:09 2004 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:48:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? At 06:59 PM 11/2/2004, you wrote: >If you can get a truck rental to Ohio and back for less >than $200 including >mileage and gas that would be the way to go. You might >also be able to get a u- >haul one-way from there to here. That would mean finding a >friend to go with >you to drive the car back, or getting a really big truck >and putting the car in >the back with the bike ... You did say it was an eclipse >.. should be small >enough to fit in the back of a 35 footer with the Hardley >in front of it. > >And then give spouse the option .. the trailer hitch on >the Eclipse, or driving >the eclipse onto the bed of a 35' truck. > >I'd go for the hitch. Some U-Haul locations install them >for you while you >wait. All this for a DR350? Aren't you going to spend more >on getting it back >here than it's worth .. oops .. that was out loud .. > >Stephen Also, don't rule out flying over there and renting the truck and driving back one way. Independence Air has flights to Columbus for something like $50. There may be other places in Ohio they fly as well. $50 and an hour flight can't be beat. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 2 22:55:23 2004 Subject: Bike down on Fox Mill Rd Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 22:55:19 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "dc Cycles" I had to take some interesting routes on the way home this evening... unfortunately it was due to a biker laying in the middle of the road surrounded by paramedics. :( From the short glimpse I got, it seemed like it was a silver sport bike of some kind. I couldn't tell any more than that about the bike. The rider was about 20 feet ahead of the bike, flat out and not moving (appeared to at least have a jacket on, not sure about lowers). The paramedics weren't talking to him, so I can only assume he was unconscious (or worse). It looked nasty, but I couldn't see anything obvious that he hit. I don't think this was rider error, as it was a relatively straight stretch. Of course, this is all gathered from a distant glimpse as the traffic was being diverted, so it may be nothing other than a simple and minor get-off (one can only hope). Ffx county police closed the road in both directions for quite some time (I know this only because I got lost in the nieghborhood I detoured through and it took me over half an hour to get out, at which time I found Fox Mill still closed). That's one of my favorite commuter roads and I see other bikers on it regularly. I hope it wasn't a lister, and I hope that whether it was or wasn't, he's okay in the long run. Regardless, be careful out there! --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 05:46:55 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? Trailer for sale cheap Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 05:46:29 -0500 If anyone is interested, i've got a tilt bed 2 rail trailer for sale $100. aestheticly displeasing but funtional. maybe i should ebay it? I bought a flatbed with drop down gate so i don't use that one any more. So much easier to load and unload. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 06:58:07 2004 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:58:03 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Excellent, someone else on DCC getting a dual sport! Glenn --- Fred Grefe wrote: > No, its a DR350S. If it was a H-D it would of > course come with a trailer, > so I wouldn't have this problem. > > -Fred > > > [Original Message] > > From: Michael Jordan > > To: dc-cycles > > Date: 11/2/2004 12:36:05 PM > > Subject: Re: Where's a good place to rent a truck? > > > > > I need to pick up a motorcycle in Ohio and I am > currently truckless. > > > > Ohio's not all that far - ride the beast home. > > > > Or is it a Harley? > > > > Michael (running & ducking) J. > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 07:28:04 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=uqygQRqX2hTkE0LiqlNDXtJJgrerMYKZ+AIci0Mjfm3e2rTCrvSLBQhxBVD5oVSbds+klSFsLAPtTJXmaBuvaC2Mp7Jf/f2NcKxbp8WoSNejsIM/RVLahg1lmgzo2dDyWRqehPFzLsqXkzJZm8SuKvkmkTvUo1Z+5S9eyWP1TRc= Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:27:57 -0500 From: Michael Jordan Reply-To: Michael Jordan To: dc Cycles Subject: The passing of an era It appears that the Dulles Toll Road operators have noticed the sensor gap on the left edge of the right hand Fastoll lanes at the main barrier. The exit sensors have been widened, but the entry sensors haven't - so now one gets the ringing bell and "Toll Not Paid" message. 'Twas fun while it lasted, so I hear. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 12:38:47 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:38:42 -0500 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: It WAS too quiet As it turns out, I got bumped off of the list. When I originally sent this message, I hadn't seen an email from DCC since Friday. ======================== List has been so quiet for a couple of days....not even any off topic election chatter! Riding weather has been perfect, so I am temporarily voiding my ban on riding the week after the time change. Hopefully the confused drivers and horny deer don't come after me out of spite. I am camouflaging the bike in layers of mud so they can't see me. It must be working. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 12:56:00 2004 From: To: Troutman , "dc Cycles" Subject: Re: It WAS too quiet Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:55:51 -0500 > > From: Troutman > Date: 2004/11/03 Wed PM 12:38:42 EST > To: "dc Cycles" > Subject: It WAS too quiet > > As it turns out, I got bumped off of the list. When I originally sent this > message, I hadn't seen an email from DCC since Friday. > > ======================== > > List has been so quiet for a couple of days....not even any off topic > election chatter! > > Riding weather has been perfect, so I am temporarily voiding my ban on > riding the week after the time change. Hopefully the confused drivers and > horny deer don't come after me out of spite. I am camouflaging the bike in > layers of mud so they can't see me. > > It must be working. > who are you? Are you new to the list? ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 13:02:50 2004 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 13:02:41 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: It WAS too quiet To: dc Cycles >who are you? Are you new to the list? ;-) > [Dave] More importantly, has this Trout-man guy paid his dues? ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 13:08:03 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:07:57 -0500 To: dc Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: It WAS too quiet At 01:02 PM 11/3/2004, Dave Yates wrote: >[Dave] More importantly, has this Trout-man guy paid his >dues? I sent my check to Harry as I do every year. I remember, because I write the check the night I change the air in my tires. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Death is certain. Life is not. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 13:12:24 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:12:14 -0500 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Biker down on fox mill "I hope it wasn't a lister, and I hope that whether it was or wasn't, he's okay in the long run." Several of us commute that way. I actually pop out on Stuart Mill about a block from the accident scene. If anyone cuts from Reston to Vale, consider using Lawyers to Birdfoot. Lots of deer, but fun roads and little traffic. I hit ridiculous speeds back there on my daily commute. Few cross streets and houses. Hope the guy is ok. There were a lot of flashing lights when I turned :-( ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 13:40:23 2004 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:40:03 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: It WAS too quiet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Funny you mention this. I got some new tires for the cage last week at Costco, they use nitrogen now to fill Tires. Claims are that it rides better, better mileage and some other horse crap. Here's something from IR on it: http://www.irco.com/pressroom/newsatir/is/58711.html --- Troutman wrote: > I sent my check to Harry as I do every year. I > remember, because I write > the check the night I change the air in my tires. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 15:39:09 2004 From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Non-Moto Content Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:38:28 -0500 Since we have a lot of homeowners in the list - I thought I'd ask. Anybody know of a good/reasonably priced/honest Electrician in the Reston/herndon area? --Altaan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 16:37:55 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:37:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: It WAS too quiet At 10:40 AM 11/3/04 -0800, Glenn Dysart wrote: >cage last week at Costco, they use nitrogen now to >fill Tires. Claims are that it rides better, better >mileage and some other horse crap. > >Here's something from IR on it: > >http://www.irco.com/pressroom/newsatir/is/58711.html I bet they'll sell you "reumatism magnetic belts and rings" too... What a load of horse-pucky! Air is 3/4 nitrogen. If the O2 leaks out through the rubber faster than the nitrogen does, and you keep refilling the tires, the concentration of nitrogen in your tires will rise anyway. As for "dry"...nitrogen will hold water vapor just fine. If what they put is has been dried by some process or other, fine, but the same process would work on air...and cheaper (you don't have to pay for the air first). Oxygen reacting with the tire material on the way out? Probably. It will react with the surface too, and could leak inwards from there as well...unless you want to drive only where there's no oxygen (not recommended). Regardless of that, I've never had tires burst into flame, or rot off the car, before. The tread always gets worn off first, or they get damaged by road debris or potholes first. They are also ignoring the fact that nitrogen is reactive too...not as much as oxygen, but it isn't an inert gas like Neon or Xenon. As a way to get people to ignore their inflation pressure even more than they do now it's probably great. Why anyone would think that's a good idea I can't say. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 17:55:27 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:54:50 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Dave Yates CC: dc Cycles Subject: Re: It WAS too quiet Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] More importantly, has this Trout-man guy paid his > dues? yeah, and what a bogus screen name he's got, too. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 19:39:15 2004 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:37:02 -0500 Subject: Spamish--couple of interesting bikes From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) (Debian) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net I was at my dealer--Winchester Motosport today. I noticed a couple of bikes I thought some might be interested in. '02 Kawasaki Concours-- about 11k miles $4750 02 Hayabusa same price, didn't see miles Both were cosmetically clean Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 20:16:04 2004 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rich Westbrook Subject: Regulator rectifier issues Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:16:01 -0500 After 27,000 worry free miles on the Honda VFR it seems that my RR has died. Last night on the way home from work I noticed that my lights were dimmer than normal. After sitting in traffic on 395 I got off my exit and the bike just died while stopped at the first stop light. I tried to restart the bike but it wouldn't turn over. The lights worked but were pretty dim. I was able to push it over to a parking lot and walked the rest of the way home (luckily only 2 blocks). So my questions are: Does this sound like an Regulator Recitfier issue? If so, what brand should I get and where should I get it? How easy are they to replace. Do I just unplug the old, and plug in the new? Do I need a new battery now? -Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 20:58:21 2004 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:58:23 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Regulator rectifier issues At 08:16 PM 11/3/2004, Rich Westbrook wrote: > So my questions are: Does this sound like an Regulator Recitfier issue? > >If so, what brand should I get and where should I get it? > How easy are they to replace. Do I just unplug the old, and plug in the new? >Do I need a new battery now? Possibly. How old is your battery? If it is over 3 years old, pick up a new one. If the condition continues you can put in a new RR pretty cheaply. Honda of Mipitas used to have the best price. Just call them (CA) and they will overnight one to you for about $100. Lots of electrical tests you can run to check the battery and RR. Get a voltmeter if you don't have one already and check voltage with bike off, at idle, at 5k RPMS, and disconnected from the bike. You should see about 12v off and disconnected, and around 14v with it running. If not - put a charge on the battery overnight and do the tests again. Google VFR RR and you should get a step by step checklist. The VFR archives have a host of info too. My '97 went out at 22k, and the battery and RR have lasted to 42k so far. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 21:04:10 2004 From: "Paul Hutchins" To: "'Rich Westbrook'" , Subject: RE: Regulator rectifier issues Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:03:10 -0500 Rich, How old is the battery? My original battery on my '00 gave up the ghost a month ago. It had been taking a long time to recharge (I keep it on a Battery Tender). Then one evening, the lights seemed dim on the way home. I stopped for coffee and had to bump start the bike to get home (about a block or so). After leaving it on the Tender it started the next day, but wouldn't turn over again (I shut of the bike to check before I pulled out of the driveway). I put a new battery in and everything's back to normal. It charges back up in no time on the Tender. When batteries get old, they tend to loose the ability to hold a charge. -Paul -----Original Message----- From: Rich Westbrook [mailto:richard1674@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Regulator rectifier issues [snip] If so, what brand should I get and where should I get it? How easy are they to replace. Do I just unplug the old, and plug in the new? Do I need a new battery now? -Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 23:15:57 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:15:36 -0500 has been charged with 2nd degree murder and there is a warrant out for his arrest. I don tknow why it's murder instead of manslaughter.. I don't see how it's murder, i highly doubt he intended to kill the children. Not that i have any sympathy for him. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 3 23:26:27 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: cbs 9 news at 11 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:26:08 -0500 supposedly there is going to be a segment "street/sport bike riders - above the law" i'm waiting.. it's almost over.. i'm not sure it's coming on From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 00:06:43 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: CBS News @ 11 p.m. thursday night Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:06:17 -0500 OK I just saw a commercial for it. CBS known for their poor credibility may strike again. Apparrently a few months back a woman from CBS news contacted a friend of mine who is in a group who is doing a documentary on the sport bike scene. The reporter told him that she was doing a documentary...and she wanted to interview him and a few other riders.... not a news segment... and that it would be positive, but realistic, so it would state a few bad things, along with the good.. but it would be overall positive. My friend called me, gave me the details and invited me, and people from my group to attend, as well as other groups. I went, I saw familiar faces, I watched the interviews happen. I didn't interview, nor ride there, as I had my son with me. As far as I can recall, at least 2 out of the 3 interviewees tried to be positive and diplomatic. One or two people dropped the ball when they asked questions like " is there anything the police can do to stop this?" The response was "no, they can't catch us", "we're too fast". I knew right then and there that was the WRONG answer... because obviously there are ways to stop it and catch people doing it, if they put their mind/methods to it. I also know if you're on camera, you want to watch what you say because the media will present you out of context. Now they haven't aired the segment yet, maybe it will be positive? But the commercials for it are definitely negative " Sport bike riders - above the law" "the police can't stop us.. they'll never stop us.. because they can't catch us" ... that was definitely a stupid thing to say... but who knows maybe the commercial is just to snag interest.. maybe they will be positive? i'm not holding my breath. They also did stunts at the request of the cbs news crew, who encouraged them to do it after the police weren't around. So I'm waiting to see what the segment actually portrays... but I figure i'd give you guys an idea of what really happened. CBS contacted a group of riders under the guise of making a positive sportbike interview, and recorded some positive and not so positive stuff. I hope they show it fairly and dont' cut out the positive and show the negative out of context. 2 out of the 3 interviewees were there under the given premise that a positive picture would be painted, and held positive interviews, or at least tried. You can tell at least one was nervous, trying to be diplomatic and paint a positive picture, but at the same time, not exactly prepared. You might see me in the background.. I'm the only one there having a child with me. - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 00:06:46 2004 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Regulator rectifier issues Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:06:36 -0500 Honda OEM. www.partsfish.com, or if you already have the part number, www.ronayers.com. I've used both with much happiness. It should be two bolts and two electrical conx. It shouldn't take more than a few minutes since Honda factories seem to be free of Italian Midgets With Tiny Fingers. (long story, maybe dcpatti will elaborate). --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Westbrook" To: Subject: Regulator rectifier issues > After 27,000 worry free miles on the Honda VFR it seems that my RR has > died. Last night on the way home from work I noticed that my lights were > dimmer than normal. After sitting in traffic on 395 I got off my exit and > the bike just died while stopped at the first stop light. I tried to > restart the bike but it wouldn't turn over. The lights worked but were > pretty dim. I was able to push it over to a parking lot and walked the > rest of the way home (luckily only 2 blocks). So my questions are: Does > this sound like an Regulator Recitfier issue? > > If so, what brand should I get and where should I get it? > How easy are they to replace. Do I just unplug the old, and plug in the > new? > Do I need a new battery now? > > -Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 00:54:36 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:52:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc At 11:15 PM 11/3/04 -0500, Daniel wrote: > has been charged with 2nd degree murder and there is a warrant out >for his arrest. > >I don tknow why it's murder instead of manslaughter.. I don't see how >it's murder, i highly doubt he intended to kill the children. Not >that i have any sympathy for him. IANAL, but I think that if he had intended to kill the children ahead of time it would have been 1st degree murder, not 2nd. 2nd degree murder is a non-planned intentional killing. The "in the heat of the moment" sort of thing, rather than pre-planned like 1st degree is. If that's what they are charging him with, then they must think they can prove that he could have avoided the deaths, but chose not to for whatever reason. Manslaughter is negligent homicide...where you didn't intend the death, but you did something stupid and/or careless that resulted in one anyway (like not maintaining your brakes, or speeding, or whatever). Your basic "avoidable accident". I believe there are two levels of manslaughter as well...one is negligent homicide, where you fail to do, or do, something that a "reasonable person" would either do, or not do, and this not acting reasonably resulted in someone's death. The other is something more like "criminally negligent homicide"...where your failure to do, or refrain from doing, what even an *unreasonable* person would have done or not done resulted in someone's death. I.e. You knew you were risking lives and you went ahead and did it anyway with callous disregard for others. If the deaths occurred as part of a getaway from a grand theft moto, as someone speculated, it could be first degree murder...I believe *any* death resulting from the commission of a felony is charged as first degree murder...even the death of one of the perpetrators. For instance I've heard of bank robbers being charged with murder in the first for the death of one of their number who was shot and killed by a bank guard during the robbery for instance. Like I said, IANAL, but that's the way I've understood these things from reading and the news. I have no personal experience with being charged with any of these crimes. Those who AL can correct as needed if I'm way off if they feel like it. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 06:26:05 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:25:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc To: Daniel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX if i remember correctly, 2nd degree murder = manslaughter. there is a reckless element rather than premeditation. --- Daniel wrote: > has been charged with 2nd degree murder and there is a > warrant out > for his arrest. > > I don tknow why it's murder instead of manslaughter.. I > don't see how > it's murder, i highly doubt he intended to kill the > children. Not > that i have any sympathy for him. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 06:50:29 2004 From: Daniel To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 06:50:16 -0500 They aughta' call it manslaughter then.. I know the gov't has a tendency to overcharge, so they can plea it down to something original in the first place. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 07:51:08 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 04:51:00 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc To: Daniel Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX a little more research shows that dc has 2nd degree murder, voluntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter in its spectrum of homicide charges. and you've got a point.... under the circumstances it sounds like this would be more properly charged as involuntary manslaughter. --- Daniel wrote: > They aughta' call it manslaughter then.. I know the > gov't has a > tendency to overcharge, so they can plea it down to > something original > in the first place. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 10:05:34 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:05:31 -0500 From: stephen@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer Cc: Daniel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server No evidence (yet) that Idiot actually owned the motorcycle with which he hit the kids. No evidence (that we've heard) that he had a license to operate a street bike. No evidence (that we've heard) regarding whether he was operating the off-road bike legally or not. If he was, as he claims (as reported in the washington post), riding so fast through a pedestrian area that he was unable to avoid hitting the children (can you say "target fixation"? ) then I'd say 'voluntary manslaughter' would be a more appropriate charge. Nevertheless, they'll drop it for a guilty plea to the lesser charge. Much as we law-abiding-citizens like to think the law is applied fairly, it surely is not. This is a tactic aimed at gaining speedy convictions without court time. I'm not a lawyer, but I think a good lawyer would have a pretty easy time getting him off a second degree charge, so IMO, this tactic could potentially back-fire. I've only ever fought the law once in America and I have to say my experience in Michigan over a speeding ticket made me think it was more a kangaroo-court than any real legal procedure; No court recorder, no witnesses or a/v recording of the procedure allowed, and, as far as I could tell, no public access to the proceedings whatsoever. Oh .. and the judge was elected! In the room were me, the cop, and the 'judge'. Needless to say, going to court made not one iota of difference in that case. In my sole experience, American justice is doled out by the media, the politicians, and the law-enforcement officers. All evidence points to the judges being there for show. Is there a 'judge-drama' TV genre? No! I rest my case ... Flame-away! Stephen Quoting Tom Gimer : > a little more research shows that dc has 2nd degree murder, > voluntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter in its > spectrum of homicide charges. and you've got a point.... > under the circumstances it sounds like this would be more > properly charged as involuntary manslaughter. > > > --- Daniel wrote: > > > They aughta' call it manslaughter then.. I know the > > gov't has a > > tendency to overcharge, so they can plea it down to > > something original > > in the first place. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 10:07:22 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:07:18 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson To: richard1674@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Regulator rectifier issues -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strang Honda OEM. www.partsfish.com, or if you already have the part number, www.ronayers.com. I've used both with much happiness. It should be two bolts and two electrical conx. It shouldn't take more than a few minutes since Honda factories seem to be free of Italian Midgets With Tiny Fingers. (long story, maybe dcpatti will elaborate). --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Westbrook" > After 27,000 worry free miles on the Honda VFR it seems that my RR has > died. Last night on the way home from work I noticed that my lights were > dimmer than normal. After sitting in traffic on 395 I got off my exit and > the bike just died while stopped at the first stop light. I tried to > restart the bike but it wouldn't turn over. The lights worked but were > pretty dim. I was able to push it over to a parking lot and walked the > rest of the way home (luckily only 2 blocks). So my questions are: Does > this sound like an Regulator Recitfier issue? > > If so, what brand should I get and where should I get it? > How easy are they to replace. Do I just unplug the old, and plug in the > new? > Do I need a new battery now? > > -Rich ------------- Rich, try charging the battery first. I use a 1-amp charger that's good for smaller batteries. The automotive ones at service stations are usually too powerful for our itty-bitty bike batteries. If it doesn't hold a charge, it's a goner. Always suspect the battery before moving on to other, more expensive, fixes. If you do need a new rectifier/regulator, replacing it is a ten-minute job, after you get the rear cowl off, twenty if you get all fancy and thoroughly clean the connector contacts coming off the wiring harness, where they plug into the R/R. Been there, done that. Agree with Jon on getting the OEM. The Honda p/n is 31600-MY7-305. This is the new, improved one with cooling fins and a heavy backing plate that dissipates heat better. Good luck. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 10:41:27 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Daniel'" , Subject: RE: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:41:16 -0500 X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.99824, Antispam-Core: 4.6.1.104326, Antispam-Data: 2004.11.3.7 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __UNUSABLE_MSGID 0, __CHILD_PORN_NOT_1 0, __FRAUD_419_BADTHINGS 0, __C230066_P2 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, RELAY_IN_SORBS 0, IN_REP_TO 0' I was surprised the guy was 31. I was expecting a teenager or pre-teen to be the issue. What is a 31 year old doing riding a motorcycle on a sidewalk??? -----Original Message----- From: Daniel [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc has been charged with 2nd degree murder and there is a warrant out for his arrest. I don tknow why it's murder instead of manslaughter.. I don't see how it's murder, i highly doubt he intended to kill the children. Not that i have any sympathy for him. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 10:53:26 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:53:19 -0500 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: 31 year old rider "whats a 31 year old doing riding [his dirt bike] on the sidewalk?" Well, the AMA will tell you it is because of environmental groups taking away riding areas from bikes and four wheelers. They just don't have anywhere to ride any more, and this is the result. Tongue in cheek of course. Speaking of 31, today I am no longer 31. Beer is on the house. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 10:58:09 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 31 year old rider Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:57:33 -0500 Tongue in cheek of course. Speaking of 31, today I am no longer 31. Beer is on the house. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org 2 free beers if you bring a fried RR with you :) Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 11:07:19 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 31 year old rider Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:06:22 -0500 Woo Hoo! Then start pouring, my friend. I've got two of 'em! ;) But I haven't been 31 for a few years. :( Happy B-day, Mike! Rob '98 VFR800 (new battery and R/R) Speaking of 31, today I am no longer 31. Beer is on the house. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org 2 free beers if you bring a fried RR with you :) Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 12:22:00 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:17:58 -0500 To: Tom Gimer , Daniel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/m1/manslaug.asp tends to support what Tom says. It would appear that there's premeditated murder (1st degree), non-premeditated murder which is also called voluntary manslaughter and 2nd degree murder, and involuntary manslaughter which is also just called manslaughter sometimes. Things seem to vary with jurisdiction. The key deciding factors for which a given killing is appear to be premeditation and malice. There's a whole lot on the history of the law in this area at: http://59.1911encyclopedia.org/H/HO/HOMICIDE.htm It says, in part: --------- America. The most notable difference between England and the United States in regard to the law on this subject is the recognition by state legislation of degrees in murder. English law treats all unlawful killing not reducible to manslaughter as of the same degree of guilt in law. American. statutes seek to discriminate for purposes of punishment between the graver and the less culpable forms of murder. Thus an act of the legislature of Pennsylvania (22nd of April 1794) declares all murder which shall be perpetrated by means of poison or by lying in wait or by any other kind of wilful, deliberate and premeditated killing, or which shall be committed in the perpetration of or attempt to perpetrate any arson, rape, robbery or burglary shall be deemed murder of the first degree; and all other kinds of murder shall be deemed murder of the second degree. This legislation. has been copied or adopted in. many if not most of the other states. There are also statutory degrees of manslaughter in the legislation of some of the states. The differences of legislation, coupled with the power of the jury in some states to determine the sentence, and the limitations on the right of the judges to comment on the testimony adduced, lead to very great differences between the administration of the law as to homicide in the two countries. ---------- So it would seem that the charge for the moto killing is 2nd degree murder, or voluntary manslaughter, due to the fact that the deaths resulted from recklessness which constituted an unlawful act (reading more of the above link's text makes that clearer). Those here who like to "push it" might want to think about that a bit...there could, with some poor luck, be a lot more involved than a speeding ticket or loss of license for reckless driving. -- Mike B. At 03:25 AM 11/4/04 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: >if i remember correctly, 2nd degree murder = manslaughter. >there is a reckless element rather than premeditation. > > >--- Daniel wrote: > >> has been charged with 2nd degree murder and there is a >> warrant out >> for his arrest. >> >> I don tknow why it's murder instead of manslaughter.. I >> don't see how >> it's murder, i highly doubt he intended to kill the >> children. Not >> that i have any sympathy for him. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 13:28:24 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 13:28:05 -0500 seems like something a liberal came up with.. murder is defined as willful homicide... manslaughter is defined as accidental homicide through recklessness... some D.A. probably wanted it called 2nd degree murder so they could prosecute accidents and make it sound worse. There have been sportbike riders who have been charged with murder because they speed in groups, and one of them dies even without the other rider having been anywhere near the crashed rider. That's not even manslaughter IMO On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:17:58 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote: >http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/m1/manslaug.asp tends to support what Tom >says. > >It would appear that there's premeditated murder (1st degree), >non-premeditated murder which is also called voluntary manslaughter and 2nd >degree murder, and involuntary manslaughter which is also just called >manslaughter sometimes. Things seem to vary with jurisdiction. The key >deciding factors for which a given killing is appear to be premeditation >and malice. > >There's a whole lot on the history of the law in this area at: > >http://59.1911encyclopedia.org/H/HO/HOMICIDE.htm > >It says, in part: > >--------- >America. The most notable difference between England and the United States >in regard to the law on this subject is the recognition by state >legislation of degrees in murder. English law treats all unlawful killing >not reducible to manslaughter as of the same degree of guilt in law. >American. statutes seek to discriminate for purposes of punishment between >the graver and the less culpable forms of murder. Thus an act of the >legislature of Pennsylvania (22nd of April 1794) declares all murder which >shall be perpetrated by means of poison or by lying in wait or by any other >kind of wilful, deliberate and premeditated killing, or which shall be >committed in the perpetration of or attempt to perpetrate any arson, rape, >robbery or burglary shall be deemed murder of the first degree; and all >other kinds of murder shall be deemed murder of the second degree. This >legislation. has been copied or adopted in. many if not most of the other >states. There are also statutory degrees of manslaughter in the legislation >of some of the states. The differences of legislation, coupled with the >power of the jury in some states to determine the sentence, and the >limitations on the right of the judges to comment on the testimony adduced, >lead to very great differences between the administration of the law as to >homicide in the two countries. >---------- > >So it would seem that the charge for the moto killing is 2nd degree murder, >or voluntary manslaughter, due to the fact that the deaths resulted from >recklessness which constituted an unlawful act (reading more of the above >link's text makes that clearer). Those here who like to "push it" might >want to think about that a bit...there could, with some poor luck, be a lot >more involved than a speeding ticket or loss of license for reckless driving. > >-- Mike B. > >At 03:25 AM 11/4/04 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: >>if i remember correctly, 2nd degree murder = manslaughter. >>there is a reckless element rather than premeditation. >> >> >>--- Daniel wrote: >> >>> has been charged with 2nd degree murder and there is a >>> warrant out >>> for his arrest. >>> >>> I don tknow why it's murder instead of manslaughter.. I >>> don't see how >>> it's murder, i highly doubt he intended to kill the >>> children. Not >>> that i have any sympathy for him. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 14:58:13 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:57:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc To: stephen@XXXXXX Cc: Daniel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX i thought voluntary manslaughter was murder but with mitigating circumstances such as walking in on your wife banging the pool boy. --- stephen@XXXXXX wrote: > No evidence (yet) that Idiot actually owned the > motorcycle with which he hit > the kids. No evidence (that we've heard) that he had a > license to operate a > street bike. No evidence (that we've heard) regarding > whether he was operating > the off-road bike legally or not. > > If he was, as he claims (as reported in the washington > post), riding so fast > through a pedestrian area that he was unable to avoid > hitting the children (can > you say "target fixation"? ) then I'd say 'voluntary > manslaughter' would be a > more appropriate charge. Nevertheless, they'll drop it > for a guilty plea to the > lesser charge. SNIP > > Quoting Tom Gimer : > > > a little more research shows that dc has 2nd degree > murder, > > voluntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter in > its > > spectrum of homicide charges. and you've got a > point.... > > under the circumstances it sounds like this would be > more > > properly charged as involuntary manslaughter. > > > > > > --- Daniel wrote: > > > > > They aughta' call it manslaughter then.. I know > the > > > gov't has a > > > tendency to overcharge, so they can plea it down to > > > something original > > > in the first place. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 15:00:20 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:00:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > I was surprised the guy was 31. I was expecting a > teenager or pre-teen to > be the issue. What is a 31 year old doing riding a > motorcycle on a > sidewalk??? i believe he was running over children. > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:16 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc > > has been charged with 2nd degree murder and there is a > warrant out for his > arrest. > > I don tknow why it's murder instead of manslaughter.. I > don't see how it's > murder, i highly doubt he intended to kill the children. > Not that i have > any sympathy for him. > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 15:31:20 2004 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:30:29 -0500 From: Skip To: Tom Gimer CC: stephen@XXXXXX, Daniel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt bike rider who hit kids in dc Tom Gimer wrote: > > i thought voluntary manslaughter was murder but with > mitigating circumstances such as walking in on your wife > banging the pool boy. in my book, that's justifiable homicide. but I'm a little too close to that one. --skip, got a bed and am grateful. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 19:05:27 2004 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:05:07 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Regulator rectifier issues To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Rich, if you have to get the RR I agree with Jon on getting the part number fron partsfish BUT Service Honda has the best prices on Honda parts, period. Once you get the part number go here: http://www.servicehonda.com Glenn (Still on my original RR AND original battery on my 98 with 32K miles) --- Jon Strang wrote: > Honda OEM. www.partsfish.com, or if you already > have the part number, > www.ronayers.com. > > I've used both with much happiness. > > It should be two bolts and two electrical conx. It > shouldn't take more than > a few minutes since Honda factories seem to be free > of Italian Midgets With > Tiny Fingers. (long story, maybe dcpatti will > elaborate). > > --jon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich Westbrook" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:16 PM > Subject: Regulator rectifier issues > > > > After 27,000 worry free miles on the Honda VFR it > seems that my RR has > > died. Last night on the way home from work I > noticed that my lights were > > dimmer than normal. After sitting in traffic on > 395 I got off my exit and > > the bike just died while stopped at the first stop > light. I tried to > > restart the bike but it wouldn't turn over. The > lights worked but were > > pretty dim. I was able to push it over to a > parking lot and walked the > > rest of the way home (luckily only 2 blocks). So > my questions are: Does > > this sound like an Regulator Recitfier issue? > > > > If so, what brand should I get and where should I > get it? > > How easy are they to replace. Do I just unplug > the old, and plug in the > > new? > > Do I need a new battery now? > > > > -Rich > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 19:39:00 2004 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:38:47 -0500 I was surprised to hear it was a 31yo man. I saw the bike on TV, it was a late model CR 80. Looked stock and nearly new. I was sure at the time a teenager had seriously farked up. The officers removing the bike had no m/c experience. They didn't put it in nuetral or pull in the clutch. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 22:01:03 2004 From: Daniel To: "Jon Strang" Cc: Subject: Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:00:32 -0500 Yea, I saw the bike too. Looked pretty small for a 31 year old... I suspect he was not the rightful owner, as suggested previously. On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:38:47 -0500, "Jon Strang" wrote: >I was surprised to hear it was a 31yo man. I saw the bike on TV, it was a >late model CR 80. Looked stock and nearly new. I was sure at the time a >teenager had seriously farked up. > >The officers removing the bike had no m/c experience. They didn't put it in >nuetral or pull in the clutch. > >--jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 4 23:41:26 2004 From: Daniel To: Daniel Cc: "Jon Strang" , Subject: Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:41:01 -0500 now they are saying he's 29 years old.. not that it matters... and he turned himself in.. and the judge gave no bond. interesting. he turned himself in, didn't seem like a runner to me.. doesnt' matter I suppose On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:00:32 -0500, Daniel wrote: >Yea, I saw the bike too. Looked pretty small for a 31 year old... >I suspect he was not the rightful owner, as suggested previously. > > > >On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:38:47 -0500, "Jon Strang" >wrote: > >>I was surprised to hear it was a 31yo man. I saw the bike on TV, it was a >>late model CR 80. Looked stock and nearly new. I was sure at the time a >>teenager had seriously farked up. >> >>The officers removing the bike had no m/c experience. They didn't put it in >>nuetral or pull in the clutch. >> >>--jon > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 07:34:39 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=I3FZ+dYlBpFrP8SJ8UVErGfGuR/iOWrtqUnQ0fRYPkoPOo5EkW/Uqtee47Q2HUhADM2pe1Dy00ZhSm0qJyZe0DkXGxsAh2gBuVK8p3kcgNu/fK9KATOYe4fZQBCI16LRVdO7iKFk6mm6e7M87acTe00w5hPE0N28FRdmjnA53SM= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:34:31 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CBS News @ 11 p.m. thursday night > OK I just saw a commercial for it. CBS known for their poor > credibility may strike again. > > Apparrently a few months back a woman from CBS news contacted a friend > of mine who is in a group who is doing a documentary on the sport bike > scene. It was about what you expected, althjough they did give a short disclaimer at the end that not all riders were like this. Look for another round of "Sport Bike" hysteria. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 08:24:01 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:23:59 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX >now they are saying he's 29 years old.. not that it >matters... and he turned himself in.. and the judge gave no >bond. interesting. he turned himself in, didn't seem like a >runner to me.. doesnt' matter I suppose [Dave] News reports - we all know how accurate they are (no, this was not from red Dan Rather) indicated this guy had a significant criminal record. I for one am glad to see no bond on this particular turd, as well that $hithead marshall, who will hopefully earn the death penalty (fingers crossed). dead is dead. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 08:55:16 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:55:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) From: "Brian Roach" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just as an FYI ... the small dirtbike/mini-bike thing is big with gangs and wana-bes in DC. It started because they figured out they were a great get-away vehicle because it's hard for a cop car to chase a dirtbike down an alley or through a park. Then it because the next cool thing to have. I get probably 2 calls a week asking if we sell mini-bikes or pocket bikes. There's actually been a couple stories about it on the local news over the last year or so - residents complaining about it, that sort of thing. - Roach > [Dave] News reports - we all know how accurate they are (no, > this was not from red Dan Rather) indicated this guy had a > significant criminal record. I for one am glad to see no > bond on this particular turd, as well that $hithead marshall, > who will hopefully earn the death penalty (fingers crossed). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 09:08:30 2004 From: Daniel To: Michael Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CBS News @ 11 p.m. thursday night Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:08:11 -0500 for those that missed it (and care to see it): http://www.wusatv9.com/video/player.aspx?aid=16484&sid=34592&bw=hi On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:34:31 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: >> OK I just saw a commercial for it. CBS known for their poor >> credibility may strike again. >> >> Apparrently a few months back a woman from CBS news contacted a friend >> of mine who is in a group who is doing a documentary on the sport bike >> scene. > >It was about what you expected, althjough they did give a short >disclaimer at the end that not all riders were like this. Look for >another round of "Sport Bike" hysteria. > >Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 09:33:34 2004 From: Daniel To: Dave Yates Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:33:09 -0500 i have to agree, it's kind of good to see one of those 'above the law' cops get what he deserves. see at least a criminal is being true to his nature, but a criminal cop, that's hypocracy on top of criminality in the name of justice. sickening. I wasn't expecting the judge to let the guy go on P.R. I just figured he'd set the bail higher than the man could afford anyway.. It's interesting that he turned himself in though. On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:23:59 -0500, Dave Yates wrote: > >>now they are saying he's 29 years old.. not that it >>matters... and he turned himself in.. and the judge gave no >>bond. interesting. he turned himself in, didn't seem like a >>runner to me.. doesnt' matter I suppose > >[Dave] News reports - we all know how accurate they are (no, >this was not from red Dan Rather) indicated this guy had a >significant criminal record. I for one am glad to see no >bond on this particular turd, as well that $hithead marshall, >who will hopefully earn the death penalty (fingers crossed). > >dead is dead. >Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 10:36:33 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:36:11 EST Subject: Re: CBS News @ 11 p.m. thursday night To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Oh no, this definitely doesn't portray motorcycle riders in a negative light. Well, it does for sportbike riders but, not motorcycle riders. Jeesus!!! I swear, I would love for every reporter/news agency in the country to be hit with the same thing Jim Carey went through in the movie Liar Liar. If all they could do is tell the truth for one whole day, they would all shut down. Just another reason I don't watch the news or read newspapers that often. Can't trust any of them. Scooter In a message dated 11/5/2004 9:08:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: for those that missed it (and care to see it): http://www.wusatv9.com/video/player.aspx?aid=16484&sid=34592&bw=hi On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:34:31 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: >> OK I just saw a commercial for it. CBS known for their poor >> credibility may strike again. >> >> Apparrently a few months back a woman from CBS news contacted a friend >> of mine who is in a group who is doing a documentary on the sport bike >> scene. > >It was about what you expected, althjough they did give a short >disclaimer at the end that not all riders were like this. Look for >another round of "Sport Bike" hysteria. > >Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 11:28:40 2004 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:28:34 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: CBS News @ 11 p.m. thursday night At 09:08 AM 11/5/2004, Daniel wrote: >for those that missed it (and care to see it): > >http://www.wusatv9.com/video/player.aspx?aid=16484&sid=34592&bw=hi Thanks for posting that. The guys being interviewed don't seem to really give a shit about what they do to motorcycling. No regard, no respect. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Death is certain. Life is not. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 11:32:22 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Brian Roach" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:33:54 -0500 Question: If a guy on a minibike waves to you do you wave back :-p Rob On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:55:12 -0500 (EST), Brian Roach wrote > > There's actually been a couple stories about it on the local news > over the last year or so - residents complaining about it, that sort > of thing. > > - Roach -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 11:50:07 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:49:59 EST Subject: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX OK, since the subject has been broached (thanks Rob :-)) how does everyone handle waving to another rider as you are passing them? ie. You are both heading in the same direction and you pass in the left lane. Do you reach across your chest and wave with your left hand? Make the pass and then wave with your left hand down and to the side? Simply give a head nod? Quick beep of the horn? Or nothing at all? Scooter In a message dated 11/5/2004 11:32:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: Question: If a guy on a minibike waves to you do you wave back :-p Rob On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:55:12 -0500 (EST), Brian Roach wrote > > There's actually been a couple stories about it on the local news > over the last year or so - residents complaining about it, that sort > of thing. > > - Roach -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 11:52:24 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HN54n/H941+tnMTJG2hIVQDDubtvGMWWIRHbKqV8ktgwwxfggKByOXrTtPpjPK1v8UKHkDavpnmrmkbuZlQJ6yrzAt/BnNo9ZENEgby+7Qnx1k1Ia65d95grEO3oHSpUtAbVIx6Qcr39/0lBF7cTBmPTKQ2aD3nHp6mv/+kdHmM= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:52:17 -0500 From: Herb To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: VFR R/R _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) - Show quoted text - > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Rich Westbrook > Subject: Regulator rectifier issues > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:16:01 -0500 > > After 27,000 worry free miles on the Honda VFR it seems that my RR has > died. Last night on the way home from work I noticed that my lights > were dimmer than normal. After sitting in traffic on 395 I got off my > exit and the bike just died while stopped at the first stop light. I > tried to restart the bike but it wouldn't turn over. The lights worked > but were pretty dim. I was able to push it over to a parking lot and > walked the rest of the way home (luckily only 2 blocks). So my > questions are: Does this sound like an Regulator Recitfier issue? > > If so, what brand should I get and where should I get it? > How easy are they to replace. Do I just unplug the old, and plug in > the new? > Do I need a new battery now? > > -Rich > ______________ Rich, My '99 VFR's R/R died last weekend---@ ~27,600 miles. Same circumstances as yours only I was 20+ miles from home. Removed the headlight fuse, bump started her and she crawled home. She's refired since then but I've lost confidence in the charging system. Ordered the new and improved R/R from AZMotorsports for $135 +s/h. Just learned that it's on backorder for 1-2 weeks. Will check with Honda of Milpitas now to see if they can deliver sooner. Perhaps the VFR DCCycles listers want to have a R/R garage day? ;~) Herb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 11:56:33 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=jzB7NF+OX8OPV+LDUszSmp+g+xYHlB08XfsdrdEszR9LBoOLY/ESqarXaYmqVND8L53pRXNRdSYj8zecjGxIDWD73QzowY17EeGCrIvk7D9dBtL72NAggyNjN0ttfUSHC5xFm3pjhP41zALz4mVfXAFcrsCu8Fwjc6NRMD1JMGg= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:49:17 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Cc: Dave Yates , Daniel A few general clarifications to points that have been raised. None of this is legal advice, and is vastly simplified. 1) Murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice. "Malice" is usually supplied by a showing of intent to kill or do serious bodily harm, but may also be based on a wanton and willful disregard of an unreasonable human risk -- this second ground is presumably the basis for the charge for the dirt-biker. The "default rule," if you will, for an unlawful killing is second-degree murder. If the murder is premeditated, it is elevated to first-degree murder. If the killing takes place in mitigating circumstances (e.g., imperfect self-defense, heat of the moment/catching the wife in bed), the charge may be lowered to "voluntary manslaughter." Since the unlawful killing of the child was done with malice (wanton and willful disregard by riding a motorbike at an unsafe speed in an area designated for pedestrians, and in which the rider knew people were present), but does not appear premeditated, the charge of second-degree murder seems warranted. So far as involuntary manslaughter, the DC Jury instructions are as follows: Criminal Jury Instructions for the District of Columbia, No. 4.25.B (4th ed. revised 2002): The essential elements of involuntary manslaughter, each of which the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt, are: 1. That the defendant caused the death of the decedent; 2. That the conduct which caused the death was a gross deviation from a reasonable standard of care; and 3. That the conduct which caused the death created an extreme risk of death or serious bodily injury. The gist of the difference between second degree murder and involuntary manslaughter is in whether the defendant is aware of the risk. To show guilt of second degree murder, the government must prove the defendant was aware of the extreme risk of death or serious bodily injury. For involuntary manslaughter, the government must prove, not that the defendant was aware of the risk, but that s/he should have been aware of it. 2) Bail. Bail is not *directly* related to the seriousness of the offense. As Yates implied, bail is supposed to be a means of guaranteeing a defendant's return for trial, nothing more. Of course, this indirectly takes into account the possible range of punishment for the defendant, and hence the seriousness of the offense. It also takes into account the defendant's ties to the area, ability to flee, etc., etc., etc. Aaron On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:33:09 -0500, Daniel wrote: > i have to agree, it's kind of good to see one of those 'above the law' > cops get what he deserves. see at least a criminal is being true to > his nature, but a criminal cop, that's hypocracy on top of criminality > in the name of justice. sickening. I wasn't expecting the judge to > let the guy go on P.R. I just figured he'd set the bail higher than > the man could afford anyway.. It's interesting that he turned > himself in though. > > On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:23:59 -0500, Dave Yates > wrote: > > > > >>now they are saying he's 29 years old.. not that it > >>matters... and he turned himself in.. and the judge gave no > >>bond. interesting. he turned himself in, didn't seem like a > >>runner to me.. doesnt' matter I suppose > > > >[Dave] News reports - we all know how accurate they are (no, > >this was not from red Dan Rather) indicated this guy had a > >significant criminal record. I for one am glad to see no > >bond on this particular turd, as well that $hithead marshall, > >who will hopefully earn the death penalty (fingers crossed). > > > >dead is dead. > >Dave Yates > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:03:48 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:03:22 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Scooter asks: >OK, since the subject has been broached (thanks Rob :-)) how >does everyone handle waving to another rider as you are >passing them? ie. You are both heading in the same >direction and you pass in the left lane. Do you reach >across your chest and wave with your left hand? Make the >pass and then wave with your left hand down and to the >side? Simply give a head nod? Quick beep of >the horn? Or nothing at all? [Dave] There is one simple answer: It depends. Leisurely pass, little to no traffic? Wave w/ left hand across chest might not be noticed... Head nod. A horn beep can be misinterpreted... Passing with prejudice? I've got bigger concerns. I may wave after the pass is executed. But what if it's a scooter rider? A: No. I believe Gimer refers to them as ...pathetic little F888sticks. Probably for good reason too. I don't get returned waves from these guys, as if their vespa fumes don't stink or something... I always make an attempt to acknowledge another motorcycle rider's presence, no matter who rolls up on whom... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:13:10 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR R/R Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:12:43 -0500 LOL, I should be good for another 20,000 or so, but I'll be glad to host! Rob '98 VFR800 ______________ Rich, My '99 VFR's R/R died last weekend---@ ~27,600 miles. Same circumstances as yours only I was 20+ miles from home. Removed the headlight fuse, bump started her and she crawled home. She's refired since then but I've lost confidence in the charging system. Ordered the new and improved R/R from AZMotorsports for $135 +s/h. Just learned that it's on backorder for 1-2 weeks. Will check with Honda of Milpitas now to see if they can deliver sooner. Perhaps the VFR DCCycles listers want to have a R/R garage day? ;~) Herb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:13:21 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=o/vDw3AFzzF5jfkb7ZUTF2s5lHdUF1TDI25jdMFcnffQWTfnrfyt7mOUd7qndsIHjvxGm5J82DKmLvHyLO1LlfeSaCmVSP1YPF5X2a5+HWLYSh0GEC+kUiB2m2QANTyOC/1G/CI08nBu2UiqzN0ATKK2lFEDPT1g0E2LXj04uPo= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:13:12 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) > OK, since the subject has been broached (thanks Rob :-)) how does everyone > handle waving to another rider as you are passing them? I usually lift my left hand in a "Queen Elizabeth" type wave > Question: > If a guy on a minibike waves to you do you wave back :-p Depends on what he's waving. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:22:43 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:22:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) There's a woman who rides a Burgman scooter, attired in 3/4 helmet, jacket of some sort and street clothes (skirt). She appears to white-knuckle it up the GW Pkwy. past the airport every morning. Has not waved once, despite numerous attempts on my part. Here's my wave pattern. On the Mighty VFR, the Royal Wave (arm straight up with light bulb twist) is usually appropriate. One the KLR, the middle finger aloft "thumpers rule" signal is best avoided, unless it's to someone in the know. :) -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates But what if it's a scooter rider? A: No. I believe Gimer refers to them as ...pathetic little F888sticks. Probably for good reason too. I don't get returned waves from these guys, as if their vespa fumes don't stink or something... I always make an attempt to acknowledge another motorcycle rider's presence, no matter who rolls up on whom... Dave Yates Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:24:13 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:23:54 -0500 I generally raise the index and middle fingers of my right hand in a "V" (peace sign) while maintaining throttle control with my palm and remaining fingers. Sometimes, I'll bring my left hand across my body in a wave, but not so much. Perry >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) >Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:49:59 EST > >OK, since the subject has been broached (thanks Rob :-)) how does everyone >handle waving to another rider as you are passing them? ie. You are both >heading in the same direction and you pass in the left lane. Do you reach >across >your chest and wave with your left hand? Make the pass and then wave with >your left hand down and to the side? Simply give a head nod? Quick beep >of >the horn? Or nothing at all? > >Scooter > >In a message dated 11/5/2004 11:32:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, >rob@XXXXXX writes: >Question: > >If a guy on a minibike waves to you do you wave back :-p > > >Rob > >On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:55:12 -0500 (EST), Brian Roach wrote > > > > There's actually been a couple stories about it on the local news > > over the last year or so - residents complaining about it, that sort > > of thing. > > > > - Roach > > >-- >Rob Sharp >rob@XXXXXX > > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:26:22 2004 Subject: RE: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:26:18 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > OK, since the subject has been broached (thanks Rob :-)) how > does everyone handle waving to another rider as you are > passing them? ie. You are both heading in the same > direction and you pass in the left lane. Do you reach > across your chest and wave with your left hand? Make the > pass and then wave with your left hand down and to the side? > Simply give a head nod? Quick beep of the horn? Or nothing at all? If passing another bike, you can pretty much assume that I'm at a "sane" speed on a major highway... If two lanes and I stay in my lane, I generally will wait until well clear of the other dude and do a left hand wave out to the side, just like if another bike was coming the opposite way. If one lane and I cut back in front, I'll do the same, but generally do so as soon as Ive pulled back in because I know the guy can see me (being dead in front of him instead of off at an angle to the left). Scooters... No wave. Get a real bike, you unlicensed freak! Other point of contention... Chopper and/or Harley riders in half helmets and short sleeves: No wave initiated by me. I'll return one, but won't start it. If they've got real gear, I'll wave (get about 50% of them wave back). --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:32:08 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:32:04 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson To: Rob Keiser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR R/R My first one made it 38k miles before giving up. The second is at 72k and counting, finger crossed. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Keiser LOL, I should be good for another 20,000 or so, but I'll be glad to host! Rob '98 VFR800 ______________ Rich, My '99 VFR's R/R died last weekend---@ ~27,600 miles. Same circumstances as yours only I was 20+ miles from home. Perhaps the VFR DCCycles listers want to have a R/R garage day? ;~) Herb Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:37:51 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:37:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) The Burgmans, Silverwings, big Vespas, etc., are licensed (or should be) and legally-speaking you need to hold an endorsement to pilot those beasts. But, yeah, you're right, I tend not to bother with the <50 cc crowd. -----Original Message----- From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" Scooters... No wave. Get a real bike, you unlicensed freak! --smthng Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:37:51 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:37:31 EST Subject: Re: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thank you all for the insight on this. I usually do the across the chest with head nod. Never thought about the "Queen Elizabeth" type wave. I'll have to try that one. The right-hand two fingers wave also sounds like it might work. See you out there. Look for the guy on the R6 trying to figure out how to wave atcha. ;-) Scooter (now, which is my left hand again?) In a message dated 11/5/2004 12:13:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > OK, since the subject has been broached (thanks Rob :-)) how does everyone > handle waving to another rider as you are passing them? I usually lift my left hand in a "Queen Elizabeth" type wave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 12:59:52 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:59:42 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: Cold Weather Gloves To: DC Cycles As it gets colder, it's more obvious that I need warmer gloves. I'm going to be adding heated grips in the near future, but I think my gloves need an upgrade, too. I want gloves with armor, though. Most of the winter gloves seem to be just heavily insulated. Newenough has "Tour Master Cold Front Carbon Gloves" for $55 that have armor. http://www.newenough.com/tour_master_coldfront_carbon_gloves_page.htm Anyone tried these? Other alternatives? Thanks, Brian Ray From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 13:29:51 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:29:42 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: Re: CBS News @ 11 p.m. thursday night To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Guy on the video says he wants to "get off the streets and go Pro". Pro what? Pro Squidly on his "Ninja"? Effin' Morons ruining the more sane side of riders... Ryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 13:40:19 2004 Subject: RE: Cold Weather Gloves Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:40:12 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" > Newenough has "Tour Master Cold Front Carbon Gloves" > for $55 that have armor. > > http://www.newenough.com/tour_master_coldfront_carbon_gloves_page.htm > > Anyone tried these? Never tried them myself, but thinking about it. They've gotten good reviews from several people on the FZ1 boards (which is a pretty good indicator IMO, as the FZ1 send a nice BLAST of cold air right into your hands). > Other alternatives? My old fallback... 3-4 mil diving gloves. Real heavy, probably won't rip or burn through in a get off, but not too much for "structural" support. I could see a broken finger or two in a nasty tumble, but seriously doubt you could get a road rash in 'em. Advantage - TOTALLY windproof and quite warm. Still looking for something better. I have small fingers, so I'm doubly challenged in this regard. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 17:04:55 2004 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=dkxBEu4q7OKKrraHhrhSXKZURQFDHaPoDHdz5kuDC7WcTgUDOT0JuZWXw5HlzhXMiAxrUOmr0ZWwqjlZYDZdu2gWRsJljJIlD/FLeF4cwjC3yLSdw6qvGxYzIKovnw4WTjAXZ+BmsWPAZSarXgS5Jnn223yVmBbX72uVTAgKzC8= ; Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:04:36 -0800 (PST) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: CBS News and Topper Shutt UP! To: DC Cycles I saw the complete story last night, and at the end of the clip Topper Shutt turns to Tracey Neale and says "you know what the cops call the [sport bikers] don't you?"...."Organ Donors" Tracey just shakes her head uncomfortably and says..uh...lets talk about weather... All I could think was Topper, shut the hell up and friggin stick with weather reports... -Corbett --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > OK I just saw a commercial for it. CBS known > for their poor > > credibility may strike again. > > > > Apparrently a few months back a woman from CBS > news contacted a friend > > of mine who is in a group who is doing a > documentary on the sport bike > > scene. > > It was about what you expected, althjough they did > give a short > disclaimer at the end that not all riders were like > this. Look for > another round of "Sport Bike" hysteria. > > Michael J. > > ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 18:59:59 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 19:01:28 -0500 I down shift, hammer the throttle pull a wheelie, come back down, hop off the seat do the sparks with your feet thing. Then I flash my bike gang sign. Isn't that what you all do. If I am driving by the police I do the same thing then outrun them; cause they can't stop me baby. Rob On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:49:59 EST, ScooterFZR wrote > OK, since the subject has been broached (thanks Rob :-)) how does > everyone handle waving to another rider as you are passing them? > ie. You are both heading in the same direction and you pass in the > left lane. Do you reach across your chest and wave with your left > hand? Make the pass and then wave with your left hand down and to > the side? Simply give a head nod? Quick beep of the horn? Or > nothing at all? > > Scooter > > In a message dated 11/5/2004 11:32:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, > rob@XXXXXX writes: > Question: > > If a guy on a minibike waves to you do you wave back :-p > > Rob > > On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:55:12 -0500 (EST), Brian Roach wrote > > > > There's actually been a couple stories about it on the local news > > over the last year or so - residents complaining about it, that sort > > of thing. > > > > - Roach > > -- > Rob Sharp > rob@XXXXXX -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 20:57:35 2004 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:57:27 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/05/04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, Interesting digest this evening.. re VFR RR's, mine went out at about 50K, and I replaced it w/ OEM, only because Electrexusa.com hadn't really got it together. Still OK at 65K. re waving, I do not wave to scooters (not you Scooter :) but the moped boys buzzing up 'n down my street for the last two years merit special consideration (only cuz I remember what it was like when I was a kid). I generally turn my head and nod, I figure they can see that. But if I'm buzzing by, I might not have time :) lol. re TV9.. what a crock 'a shit that was. I hate the media too, but NOT because theyre too liberal, but cuz theyre self-serving wankers. OBTW, I came across a new road (to me) the other day. It's SR 25 but starts out as SR 21 in WV in Brandywine, off of 33. I can not believe I only just learned of this 20 mile romp. I did it on Wednesday and it rocks. It heads out to 220 where you can return to Franklin. Check it out, y'all. John Kozyn (D-mode) 1995 VFR750F 1999 900SS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 5 21:03:56 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Dt1zZY4EFNxrObX4BhChagKiAt+ZHQ4VV9ZzI4PcYLLKh7liGi5G4t1Xil34V3jID7HviCInb/KPyGxH7OSFlrtueMrALLSG8/LSRorj6d9BqBSkyoDCDI+6LiYBq4A4ncQSTd4Wafew2inuatdIgnzBXemloAMr5pFSYSzfhXY= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:03:53 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/05/04 > OBTW, I came across a new road (to me) the other day. It's SR 25 but > starts out as SR 21 in WV in Brandywine, off of 33. Streets & Trips shows it as County Roads 21 & 25 - changes from 21 to 25 around beautiful downtown Sugar Grove. It's on the list - thanks, John Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 6 09:02:13 2004 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=XJB0YGBuQ5WMY+hKHVmHb2dpf9Jhq+jQKNMXHRm1GFD/6CxFxjOrewnNoACTRn6PF5zfCA4M+e0kdXKyXTQtyGBM1c4HI6oBMp/LAKFcwQ/nEW3JxZ9KNCdKxrR2uePJYkJhUdUzJ5sfGgXHHKsHrHiuTdmHZvMmeV9/hvmny00= Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:02:10 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: Rob Sharp Subject: Re: Waving was Re: dirt biker in DC (an actual fact) Cc: scooterfzr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I down shift, hammer the throttle pull a wheelie, come back down, hop off the > seat do the sparks with y