From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 1 10:01:05 2003 From: "rich hall" To: Robert.Verde@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle shop comments? Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 10:00:54 -0500 Seems on topic to me. I've used Crossroads a few times. They seem to do a good job, but don't seem to be in a rush. Had a bike in there for way too long in my opinion once. For oil filters I found Coleman's was slightly cheaper. Maybe Crossroads woulda thrown in the ring though. Now to highjack the thread, is it me or is Coleman's getting better? They seem to be organizing rides, teamed up w/ Grevey's for 2 Wheel Tueday (back when it was all night). Having sales days. Seems like they want to be THE local bike shop. >From: "Verde, Robert" >To: >Subject: Motorcycle shop comments? >Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:57:08 -0500 > >This is a little off-topic, perhaps, but... > >As a new resident of Arlington, I noticed that there seems to be motorcycle >shop near Bailey's Crossroads, off of Rt. 7. Sign on the side of the >building says something about "scooters?" Anyone know about this place? >I'm looking for a decent local (roughly Seven Corners) shop to get oil, >filters, and miscellaneous parts, and although I seem to only spot this >place when it's closed, it is close to my apartment. _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 1 10:05:44 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Subject: Re: parking ticket in DC Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:05:07 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7906d41d5e6ae466f9d31d6afc91e756b2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > damn it, I got a parking ticket in DC... but I have a case this time, I did > put in the money but the meter said "FAIL". But, when the parking > enforcement officer came around it turned to be "Expired"... > > I'm thinking about denying this ticket and do the "Mail Hearing" thing since > I don't have time during the day. > OK, my English sucks... does the below letter look OK? [Dave] Your letter is good, and were you dealing with a reasonable person, or a business which depended on customer service, you'd have a chance. DC and similar governments only want your money. MANY, many, many news articles on ALL the local networks have exposed the DC parking enforcement scam that you've experienced. About every 18 months, a news station 'exposes' the DC parking scam as a driver no win situation, and nothing is ever done about it. The traffic adjudication board has a 99% or 98% conviction rate... Does that put it in perspective? You have 3 choices. 1: Pay it 2: Fight it. 3: Ignore it. I refused to pay DC one fucking dime, and they (under extreme pressure and duress from several members of congress, and local news, instituted the 'traffic amnesty', effectively erasing my 10 year old tickets. I say, fuck them. If they want my money, they should come and take it. That however, is my personal choice. If I had to commute to DC on regular basis, I'd pay it. It just isn't worth the fight. If it were a non photo speeding ticket, with future financial implications, then I would suggest fighting it. The only real issue with DC parking tickets is that they will attempt to collect from you in out of state circumstances. They give you some ridiculously short time to pay, like 10 days, and then turn the issue over to a collection agency... If you are caught, subsequent to this, they'll boot you... You definitely NEVER want a vehicle that is worth money to be towed in DC, they have the least regulated towing industry in the US, and vehicles are routinely stolen, lost or damaged being towed. MPD officers have been arrested and convicted for auto theft as part of this scam also, a couple of years back. There's no points, no insurance surcharge... How much is your time and aggravation worth? Pay it, be done with it, carry a hammer so you can disable the parking meters when you park at them... HTH > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > To whom it may concern, > > I have received a parking ticket as of Friday 10/31/2003 on 1800 Block > Jefferson PL North Side, Meter # JEFF1811NW, Citation # 313003305. I am > denying this ticket since I have indeed made a payment but the meter failed > to respond and displayed )B“FAIL”. However, it seems like when the parking > enforcement officer came over the meter turned in to be )B“expired”. > > I have found these parking meters to be extremely unreliable. I have had > numerous time meters not responding to the payment I inserted. Also, please > reconsider having parking meter for motorcycles on Jefferson PL NW. There > were no meters on this location before and other places around DC do not > have them. It is unfair especially with these unreliable meters. > > Thank you > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------- > Shigeru Honda > 98 SuperHawk (Street) > 99 750 SS (Track #881) > 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 1 10:08:58 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: parking ticket in DC Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 09:57:31 -0500 Used to park at the meters at Vermont and 16th, damn things gave me "FAIL" all the time. Found they didn't seem to like nickels or dimes, wasted a lot of quarters there too. Shigeru, thought you parked over on M St w/ me? Rich '02 SVS silver >From: "Shigeru Honda" >To: "dc-cycles" >Subject: parking ticket in DC >Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:42:19 -0500 > >damn it, I got a parking ticket in DC... but I have a case this time, I did >put in the money but the meter said "FAIL". But, when the parking >enforcement officer came around it turned to be "Expired"... _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded its 2MB storage limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 1 16:02:13 2003 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:02:04 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Post "Nation in Brief" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Man Asks to be Executed Panama City, Fla. - A man accused of deliberately ramming a stolen pickup into six members of the Outlaws motorcycle gang, killing two, apologized from jail and said he wants to be executed. "I did it," Timothy Pilgreen told the Panama City News Herald. "I wish I hadn't, but I did. My lawyer told me to keep my mouth shut, but I gotta say it, I just got to: I'm sorry." Pilgreen, 26, said he will ask for the death penalty because he fears retribution from the gang after admitting he ran over the bikers Wednesday as they road on a coastal highway in Panama City Beach. Pilgreen is jailed without bond on two counts of murder, four counts of attempted murder and other felony charges stemming from a scuffle with an officer who chased and arrested him. Police said the six bikers were from the Outlaws chapter in Bay City, Mich. Nola Zietler, 47, of Bay City and Donald Dunham, 61, of Brethren, Mich., were killed. Another biker, Larry Berryman, 57, of St. Ignace, Mich., was hospitalized in critical condition Friday. Deputy Police Chief David Humphreys said he has seen more bikers in town since the incident. "It's our hope that they would allow this to be handled by law envorcement and the judicial system instead of it getting to a street-level thing," he said. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 1 18:18:51 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Free time this afternoon Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 18:18:43 -0500 Too much information. >From: Carl Schelin >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Free time this afternoon >Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:57:36 -0800 (PST) > >And it's Rita and my three year anniversary today so I'll be a little busy >later. Have a good weekend ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 1 21:29:22 2003 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:29:15 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Free time this afternoon To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Carl Schelin wrote: >And it's Rita and my three year anniversary today so I'll > be a little busy later. Have a good weekend ;-) Let's see if I can remember that far back in my first marriage........ah, yes. "Busy". That probably means Rita and Carl will be shopping -- separately. 8;) -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 1 21:34:25 2003 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:34:17 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Bikes and pool... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Let's see, we've already started a furor with OT posts concerning poker (thanks for coming, Fish -- next game 20 November for anyone else interested), so how about pool/billiards? Any pool shooters, especially one-pocket, among the dc denizens? And on-topic, has anyone found a safe and reliable way to carry pool cues on a bike? None of my cue cases have a strap either solid enough or long enough to get over my riding gear, or solid enough metal anchor points to use a third-party strap. Any ideas? Thanks -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 07:52:03 2003 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 04:51:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Free time this afternoon To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Gimer wrote: > >ah, yes.... the "team jordan racing in the news" thread. > >-- > >tg (w/ warm and fuzzy feeling) > > > After reading Carl's post, then Tom's, I sat there and > went "Hrnh?" > > Then I clicked on the links.... > > 1 Team Jordan Racing in the news! 76 0.84 % > > 2 Team Jordan Racing in the news! 76 0.28 % > > > Most successful subject: > > Subject : Team Jordan Racing in the news! > No. of msgs: 76 > Total size : 116299 bytes > > > I must have a memory gap.....what caused such a twitter > about that subject? you created and posted to the list a fake news article about yourself -- a "death-defying" dickhead; a decent flamefest erupted and subsided; and then the resulting group hug abruptly ended when somebody got a chubby. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 08:16:13 2003 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 05:16:04 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: mileage (was: Re: Thoughts? Ideas? Recommendations?) To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Carl Schelin wrote: > I knew that :-) > > The problem is that 12 to 13k (or 7.5k) isn't totally VA > and WVA mountain > roads. Deals Gap was 1400 miles but very few of those > miles were spent in > the twisties. then you went the wrong way. next time, try this: 647-641-211-skyline-brp-322-28-129. 90+% twisties. if you don't want to pay the skyline park fee, take 230-231-810-250 to the brp. also very enjoyable. > Hell, of the 6,810.6 miles I went in Aug most of them > were straight "lock > the cruise control and kick back" miles. again, your choice. you might invest some time in routing software/gps. i also notice that 25% of your total mileage for the past two years was logged in one month. scooter and his nutsack may have company. ;) > I'm just being general. Riding in rush hour (like on Rt > 28, not HOV) are > some tough miles. Riding in HOV is fun; traffic generally > being light. > Riding in the countryside and then the twisties is great > fun. They're all > on the bike(s). Good job. Keep it up. you too. and now that you've got the gixxer you're probably learning that sport tires need to be ridden in a variety of terrain, or they become junk (flat spotted) quite quickly.... my main problem is that it takes 50 miles of straight slab on 66 to get to our regular ride meeting spot. > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > i meant i don't commute on it. > > > > i haven't seen scooter's nutsack, but 12-13k miles of > va > > and wva mountain roads per year is plenty for this one. ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 10:48:47 2003 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 10:48:31 EST Subject: Re: Minor and Major. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 10/29/2003 9:30:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Wierd, since I can't recall any locality banning tire chains... Florida. Not that I let that stop me when I drove down onto an ice sheet on I-75 one Christmas Like a cop without chains could have caught me! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 11:45:21 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: Subject: Morning ride, cagers suck Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 11:44:02 -0500 Alright, decided to put some mileage on the bike this weekend, since it was such a nice day. Went over to a friends house last night and ended up staying in Alexandria. Left early this morning, decided to ride Mt. Vernon, very nice ride and very crisp and cool morning air. Cut back through Alexandria, headed towards the GW Parkway/National Airport, speed limit 40. Since I am enjoying the sights of the trees/morning joggers/bike riders I decide to keep it around the limit. Hit the boat dock area heading towards National Airport, now cagers everywhere doing around 50 - 70 mph. Look back cause I notice one a little too close, BMW with wife and kid in the car, hey he is not going to slow down. As I begin to gun it out of the way he decides to tap my back wheel cause I am not going fast enough, luckily I ride it out and speed up out of his way. Once I move he guns it back to 70 and gives me a "we are number one" sign. At my work I drive a cage full time but I am getting sick of impatient cagers who have no regards for anyones life but themselves. I wish I could have gotten his tag but didn't get it. I don't see why todays society can't just take their time and enjoy life instead of the "hurry up and wait" syndrome that is plagueing us all. This is going to get someone killed and I hope it is not me. Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 12:59:23 2003 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:59:20 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Morning ride, cagers suck To: "S. Russell" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "S. Russell" wrote: > As I begin to gun it > out of the way he decides to tap my back wheel cause I am > not going fast > enough, luckily I ride it out and speed up out of his way. > Once I move he > guns it back to 70 and gives me a "we are number one" sign. Sounds like either aggravated assault or attempted murder to me. I hope you reported the incident to the Alexandria police with as good a description as you could give. If you didn't, please do so. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 15:19:34 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Subject: Re: Morning ride, cagers suck Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:18:39 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ed923ce17c447a0ddc74cdf6af168f5f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > As I begin to gun it out of the way he decides to tap my back wheel > cause I am not going fast enough, luckily I ride it out and speed up out of his way. [Dave] He actually hit you ? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 15:25:26 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Dave Yates" , "DCCycles" Subject: Re: Morning ride, cagers suck Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:23:13 -0500 didn't really fish out but the wheel skidded a bit, just looked back to see him a bit too close. My pucker factor was a bit much too. Reported it to the U.S. Park Police which has jurisdiction, they will do "all they can" for it. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 3:18 PM Subject: Re: Morning ride, cagers suck > > As I begin to gun it out of the way he decides to tap my back wheel > > cause I am not going fast enough, luckily I ride it out and speed up out > of his way. > > [Dave] He actually hit you ? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 17:34:37 2003 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Morning ride, cagers suck Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 17:25:13 -0500 He actually hit you? >From: "S. Russell" >Reply-To: "S. Russell" >To: "Dave Yates" , "DCCycles" >Subject: Re: Morning ride, cagers suck >Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:23:13 -0500 > >didn't really fish out but the wheel skidded a bit, just looked back to see >him a bit too close. My pucker factor was a bit much too. > >Reported it to the U.S. Park Police which has jurisdiction, they will do >"all they can" for it. > >Scott > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Yates" >To: "DCCycles" >Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 3:18 PM >Subject: Re: Morning ride, cagers suck > > > > > As I begin to gun it out of the way he decides to tap my back wheel > > > cause I am not going fast enough, luckily I ride it out and speed up >out > > of his way. > > > > [Dave] He actually hit you ? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 18:42:32 2003 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:42:28 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Free time this afternoon To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey. Watch where your mind is. We exchanged gifts and watched an interesting horror movie (The Fog). :-) Carl --- rich hall wrote: > Too much information. > > >From: Carl Schelin > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Free time this afternoon > >Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:57:36 -0800 (PST) > > > >And it's Rita and my three year anniversary today so I'll be a little > busy > >later. Have a good weekend ;-) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy > patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 18:53:53 2003 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:53:51 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: mileage (was: Re: Thoughts? Ideas? Recommendations?) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > I knew that :-) > > > > The problem is that 12 to 13k (or 7.5k) isn't totally VA > > and WVA mountain > > roads. Deals Gap was 1400 miles but very few of those > > miles were spent in > > the twisties. > > then you went the wrong way. next time, try this: > 647-641-211-skyline-brp-322-28-129. 90+% twisties. > > if you don't want to pay the skyline park fee, take > 230-231-810-250 to the brp. also very enjoyable. > Actually my intention was to get to Deal's Gap and to add two states to my map. When I have more time I'll map out a twistier route. > > > > Hell, of the 6,810.6 miles I went in Aug most of them > > were straight "lock > > the cruise control and kick back" miles. > > again, your choice. you might invest some time in routing > software/gps. i also notice that 25% of your total mileage > for the past two years was logged in one month. scooter > and his nutsack may have company. ;) > I have some now and it seems to work pretty well. I've been paying attention to the GPS threads and will likely pick up one for my southern run next summer. > > > I'm just being general. Riding in rush hour (like on Rt > > 28, not HOV) are > > some tough miles. Riding in HOV is fun; traffic generally > > being light. > > Riding in the countryside and then the twisties is great > > fun. They're all > > on the bike(s). Good job. Keep it up. > > you too. and now that you've got the gixxer you're > probably learning that sport tires need to be ridden in a > variety of terrain, or they become junk (flat spotted) > quite quickly.... my main problem is that it takes 50 > miles of straight slab on 66 to get to our regular ride > meeting spot. > Yea, I noticed that. The tires do have a bit of a flat spot now. I changed the oil+filter, spark plugs and the air filter today. After a nice 90 minute run I have to say that it rides a bit smoother and I think the high idle has disappeared. More riding for that test though. The old plugs were cr9e's vs the cr9ek's I put in today. Perhaps there's an advantage between the hangman's bar vs the split bar --\ / \ i | | I | ----- ----- Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 19:42:54 2003 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Sunday Ride Report - Here's one for the books. Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 19:44:09 -0500 Well, the day started off a little rough. Me on my TLR and my cousin Keith on his GSXR-1K leave my house in Winchester at 10:30 and stop at the Mobil station across from the Harley dealer to top off. I pull in and comment as I dismount that I smell anti-freeze. Holy crap, my bike's pumping coolant all over the place. I look back and a trail as far as I can see up the road. I'm only a mile from the house. I tell Keith to finishing topping off and I'm going back to the house to asses the problem. Back tire is soaked. Take it nice and easy and keep an eye on the thermostat, coasting when I can, I get home and never break 200 on the temp gauge. I pull the bodywork and find out a hose clamp on the radiator that feeds to the cooler behind the oil filter has given up. Replaced the clamp, and I already had a gallon of coolant and water-wetter already mixed up. 30 minutes later we are on our way. We figure we'll do the 211 thing even though we know it will be thick with leaf lookers. We make a trip up the west side, and back over from the east side. We stop at the top for a little stretch and then head down the west side. We come up behind a pack of cruisers, and full dressers. All at once a rider on an old Gold Wing is having a problem. I look up and his passenger is hanging over the right side of the bike and the driver is holding their left leg trying to stop the bike and keep the passenger from falling off. The passenger is past the 90 deg angle almost touching the pipes. He comes to a stop (how I don't know) without dropping the bike or the rider. He's yelling for help. I'm still in the middle of 211. Keith's already off the side of the road. I yell for him to help the passenger and I try to get out of harms way. I run back and we get the passenger off the bike. She is having a seizure and totally out of it. When I see her lips turning purple I decide to call 911. When emergency answered I state we are on the west side of the mountain past at Sperryville and we need an ambulance, someone is having a seizure. The first question they asked me was "is this a motorcycle accident?" Who said anything about motorcycles? Uh, no I stated. A motorcycle passenger is having a seizure. They dispatch an ambulance. A few minutes later, the rider is recovering. She is sitting up, breathing okay, but a little out of it. Rather than stay and create more of a spectacle, Keith and I leave and head west. They had a pretty large crew there to handle it. We see the ambulance on route before we get to the bottom of the mountain. Guess the blown hose was so we'd be there, huh? Still scares the crap out of me when I think of having a passenger just fall off the bike. I still have to give kudos to the driver for getting stopped, holding the passenger, and not dropping the bike. He had to stall the bike since he could not grab the clutch. Now, to finish the day off, I get home and I usually run 3 miles a day. Having a problem with my toe hurting, so after 1.5 miles, I decide to call it quits. I get the bicycle out to finish my workout. I'm going through a dense finished neighborhood, and pumping along about 20mph. I see out the corner of my right eye a dog running up beside me. Damn, he's moving. Damn, he's big. Damn, he's a freaking DEER! He cuts right in front of me. When the hoofs hit the asphalt, his ass-end slides around and it sounds like the Clydesdales! He bolts between two houses and hops a fence. I think the deer have a contract out on me this year. I Came pretty close to hitting one coming down the straight at Summit Point track day a few weeks ago. Then I ran over one with my car a few weeks ago. Had enough meat hanging under my Accord to have a barbecue! Drive safe guys. I won't forget this day for a while. And what a great day it was. Oh, one more thing. We stopped at the Burger King in Luray. When we were leaving, the Gold-Wing stopped for gas with the rider looking a LOT better than we saw her earlier. I'm glad we got to see that she was okay. Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 20:41:35 2003 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 20:30:17 -0500 To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... At 06:34 PM 11/1/03 -0800, pltrgyst@XXXXXX wrote: >And on-topic, has anyone found a safe and reliable way to >carry pool cues on a bike? None of my cue cases have a strap >either solid enough or long enough to get over my riding >gear, or solid enough metal anchor points to use a >third-party strap. Any ideas? No luggage rack, I presume? Ok, how about strapping it to your back with bungee cords and/or clothesline? I'd prefer the bungee cords myself...they will let loose if you take a spill. You could mount a carrier to your bike permanently...make it out of PVC pipe for durability and cheapness. You can even make it lockable with a little work. I made such a beast for carrying my Aikido weapons on airplanes a few years back...I can send you pics if you want some ideas. I think the carrier cost me about $15 or so, looked like shit (less likely to be stollen! :^), and could probably be run over by my new bike without getting damaged. Drill some holes and you could attach it to your bike anywhere you've got clearance and a couple of bolts (rear fender supports, passenger peg and shock support, or with hose clamps to the frame or something? Or maybe you could get something from RAM to allow mounting it across your bars when needed, and easy removal when not? They seem to have mounts for damn near everything... :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 20:41:37 2003 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 20:37:47 -0500 To: "S. Russell" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Morning ride, cagers suck At 11:44 AM 11/2/03 -0500, S. Russell wrote: >As I begin to gun it >out of the way he decides to tap my back wheel cause I am not going fast >enough, luckily I ride it out and speed up out of his way. Once I move he >guns it back to 70 and gives me a "we are number one" sign. You know, with an ass like that, I think I might have changed my plans and just followed him to whereever he was going, then dragged him from his car and beat him to a pulp. If he got wise and drove to a police station to complain about me following him, I'd have pressed charges for vehicular assault. I'd probably have regretted it later, but that sort of jerk/threat to my existence is something that just puts me over the edge in a hurry. >I don't see why todays society can't >just take their time and enjoy life instead of the "hurry up and wait" >syndrome that is plagueing us all. Because the average IQ is only 100? Given the population size, the median and average are about the same, meaning that half the people in the country are *below* 100 IQ. Keep that in mind and it explains all sorts of things... >This is going to get someone killed and I hope it is not me. I hope it isn't either of us! :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 20:51:25 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: , "Mike Bartman" Subject: Re: Morning ride, cagers suck Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:50:23 -0500 I do agree with the IQ concept, but it is my opinion that if people would get off the cell phones (even go to hands free units) and worry about the road instead of what bread milk and toilet paper to get we would be better off. I don't think this would have pertained to this, but it pertains to a lot of cage vs motorcycle accidents. They could have been avoided if they would have that phone blindsiding their field of vision. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Bartman" To: "S. Russell" ; Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Morning ride, cagers suck > At 11:44 AM 11/2/03 -0500, S. Russell wrote: > >As I begin to gun it > >out of the way he decides to tap my back wheel cause I am not going fast > >enough, luckily I ride it out and speed up out of his way. Once I move he > >guns it back to 70 and gives me a "we are number one" sign. > > You know, with an ass like that, I think I might have changed my plans and > just followed him to whereever he was going, then dragged him from his car > and beat him to a pulp. If he got wise and drove to a police station to > complain about me following him, I'd have pressed charges for vehicular > assault. > > I'd probably have regretted it later, but that sort of jerk/threat to my > existence is something that just puts me over the edge in a hurry. > > >I don't see why todays society can't > >just take their time and enjoy life instead of the "hurry up and wait" > >syndrome that is plagueing us all. > > Because the average IQ is only 100? Given the population size, the median > and average are about the same, meaning that half the people in the country > are *below* 100 IQ. Keep that in mind and it explains all sorts of things... > > >This is going to get someone killed and I hope it is not me. > > I hope it isn't either of us! :^) > > -- Mike B. > > **************************************************************************** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* > * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * > **************************************************************************** > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 20:52:22 2003 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 21:06:15 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Pummeling cagers (was Morning ride, cagers suck) On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > You know, with an ass like that, I think I might have changed my plans and > just followed him to whereever he was going, then dragged him from his car > and beat him to a pulp. If he got wise and drove to a police station to > complain about me following him, I'd have pressed charges for vehicular > assault. > > I'd probably have regretted it later, but that sort of jerk/threat to my > existence is something that just puts me over the edge in a hurry. One of the guys on the 'Busa board was intentionally cut off 2x by a cabbie. He followed the cab through traffic and cornered him on a dead end street. The cab ran into the bike, knocking it over and sped away. The 'Busa rider chased him down and caught him in front of 3 cops. He punched through his driver's window and grabbed the guy... and then the cops were all over him. They wouldn't listen to his explanation and he was arrested for assault. He's now dealing with the legal ramifications of his actions. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 21:17:24 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Pummeling cagers (was Morning ride, cagers suck) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 21:16:27 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79e13fbb909a28c9d581a53fc9d45fe80b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > > You know, with an ass like that, I think I might have changed my plans and > > just followed him to whereever he was going, ... > > One of the guys on the 'Busa board was intentionally cut off 2x by a > cabbie. He followed the cab through traffic and cornered him on a dead > end street. The cab ran into the bike, knocking it over and sped away. > The 'Busa rider chased him down and caught him in front of 3 cops. He > punched through his driver's window and grabbed the guy... and then the > cops were all over him. They wouldn't listen to his explanation and he > was arrested for assault. [Dave] Let this be an object lesson in not getting "caught in condition white". C.W. is a state of total unpreparedness. It's ok to tour, but on a moto, we have to be mindful of the idiots... And the deer who allegedly have contracts out on us. I've known this for years, but finally another lister has jumped on the bandwagon... Personally, I take great comfort and relaxation knowing where every cager is around me, whether they're drifting or gaining, crowding or just plodding along. Yes, I get surprised once in a while too, and when it happens, it jolts me right back to paranoia. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 21:47:00 2003 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 18:46:56 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Free time this afternoon To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Carl Schelin wrote: > We ... watched an interesting horror movie (The Fog). Appropriate to the occasion! -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 21:54:22 2003 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 18:54:12 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > No luggage rack, I presume? On the 919 yes, on the Aprilia no. Somehow I'm hesitant to trust >$2000 worth of cues to bungee cords. The 30 inch length across the rack wouldn't be a problem unless lane splitting, I guess. > Ok, how about strapping it to your back with bungee cords > and/or clothesline? That's probably where I'm headed -- probably have to fashion an extra long, extra sturdy strap and mount system. > You could mount a carrier to your bike permanently...make > it out of PVC pipe for durability and cheapness. > > Or maybe you could get something from RAM to allow mounting > it across your bars when needed... Don't think either of them would work for a 3x7 cue case (3 butts, 7 shafts, plus accessories), about 4.5" square in cross-section. Thanks for the suggestions. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 21:59:47 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: , "Mike Bartman" , Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 21:59:19 -0500 I might be talking stupid, but can't you get a soft case for the stick that secures around the body? Kind of like a backback, but that might get in the way if the situation arises. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Mike Bartman" ; Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... > --- Mike Bartman wrote: > > No luggage rack, I presume? > > On the 919 yes, on the Aprilia no. Somehow I'm hesitant to > trust >$2000 worth of cues to bungee cords. The 30 inch > length across the rack wouldn't be a problem unless lane > splitting, I guess. > > > Ok, how about strapping it to your back with bungee cords > > and/or clothesline? > > That's probably where I'm headed -- probably have to fashion > an extra long, extra sturdy strap and mount system. > > > You could mount a carrier to your bike permanently...make > > it out of PVC pipe for durability and cheapness. > > > > Or maybe you could get something from RAM to allow mounting > > it across your bars when needed... > > Don't think either of them would work for a 3x7 cue case (3 > butts, 7 shafts, plus accessories), about 4.5" square in > cross-section. > > Thanks for the suggestions. > > -- Larry > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 22:12:34 2003 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 19:12:31 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That's sort of where I'm headed. I have what's called a hard case for multiple cues, made of synthetic leather with hard foam tubes inside. The problem is that the straps on these things are quite short, meant for casually looping over one shoulder, not over the body -- and nowhere near long enough to go over one shoulder diagonally over my back, even without a Joe Rocket Ballistic jacket and armor on. Further, the existing short straps on such cases are either permanently stitched to the case or have loop arrangements on the ends which fit over the ends of the case. I have a backpack specifically designed to carry tennis racquets which works great on the bikes, but don't see anything comparable for pool cues. If I can't find an easy existing solution, I may discuss this further with Linda and see what she could create. Or get over my paranoia concerning bungee straps. 8;) Thanks again, all. -- Larry --- "S. Russell" wrote: > I might be talking stupid, but can't you get a soft case > for the stick that > secures around the body? Kind of like a backback, but that > might get in the > way if the situation arises. > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Mike Bartman" ; > > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:54 PM > Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... > > > > --- Mike Bartman wrote: > > > No luggage rack, I presume? > > > > On the 919 yes, on the Aprilia no. Somehow I'm hesitant > to > > trust >$2000 worth of cues to bungee cords. The 30 inch > > length across the rack wouldn't be a problem unless lane > > splitting, I guess. > > > > > Ok, how about strapping it to your back with bungee > cords > > > and/or clothesline? > > > > That's probably where I'm headed -- probably have to > fashion > > an extra long, extra sturdy strap and mount system. > > > > > You could mount a carrier to your bike > permanently...make > > > it out of PVC pipe for durability and cheapness. > > > > > > Or maybe you could get something from RAM to allow > mounting > > > it across your bars when needed... > > > > Don't think either of them would work for a 3x7 cue case > (3 > > butts, 7 shafts, plus accessories), about 4.5" square in > > cross-section. > > > > Thanks for the suggestions. > > > > -- Larry > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 22:20:38 2003 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 22:19:22 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > That's sort of where I'm headed. I have what's called a hard > case for multiple cues, made of synthetic leather with hard > foam tubes inside. The problem is that the straps on these > things are quite short, meant for casually looping over one > shoulder, not over the body -- and nowhere near long enough > to go over one shoulder diagonally over my back, even without > a Joe Rocket Ballistic jacket and armor on. Further, the > existing short straps on such cases are either permanently > stitched to the case or have loop arrangements on the ends > which fit over the ends of the case. Whoops, I'm outta here. No way I'm playing pool with a guy who has SEVEN cuesticks! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 22:23:11 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "William J. Huson" , Cc: Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:22:41 -0500 With only seven sticks, how do you hit the eighth ball? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... > "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > > > That's sort of where I'm headed. I have what's called a hard > > case for multiple cues, made of synthetic leather with hard > > foam tubes inside. The problem is that the straps on these > > things are quite short, meant for casually looping over one > > shoulder, not over the body -- and nowhere near long enough > > to go over one shoulder diagonally over my back, even without > > a Joe Rocket Ballistic jacket and armor on. Further, the > > existing short straps on such cases are either permanently > > stitched to the case or have loop arrangements on the ends > > which fit over the ends of the case. > > Whoops, I'm outta here. No way I'm playing pool with a guy who has SEVEN > cuesticks! > > Bill > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 22:28:00 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Gary Foreman" , Cc: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Report - Here's one for the books. Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:28:37 -0500 > She is having a seizure and totally > out of it. When I see her lips turning purple I decide to call 911. > When emergency answered I state we are on the west side of the > mountain past at Sperryville and we need an ambulance, someone is > having a seizure. The first question they asked me was "is this a > motorcycle accident?" Who said anything about motorcycles? Uh, no I > stated. A motorcycle passenger is having a seizure. They dispatch > an ambulance. They asked if it's motorcycle related so they can chuck it up to how many motorcycle accidents they have a year. Maybe it's a funding thing? Maybe so they can get more officers assigned to the area? When I fell of my cycle and the police showed up they asked me 20 times if I had anything to drink (alcohol). I think even if I am not drunk or over the .08 limit but I still had a drink they mark it up as alcohol related. Hell some of the firefighters who showed up hoping to see something gruesome where pretty liquored up. Rob -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Gary Foreman" To: Sent: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 19:44:09 -0500 Subject: Sunday Ride Report - Here's one for the books. ------- End of Original Message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 22:33:59 2003 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 19:33:55 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Bikes and pool...(and Aprilia Falco for sale) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You break your favorite cue down and use just the butt? It's not really seven sticks, it's three sticks (butts) with seven shafts. A primary shooting cue, a break/jump cue, and a spare, each with two or more shafts with tips of differing hardness. They're somewhat like bikes -- they seem to proliferate of their own accord. If I owned *only* seven cues, my wife would be a much happier person. Hell, if the rec room had less than seven cue *cases* in it, she'd be ecstatic. Actually, I just sold a 1959 Willie Hoppe on eBay last night -- a major psychological breakthrough! In a major collision with reality 8;(, I even put the Aprilia up for sale, since I put a deposit down on a Multistrada... If anyone's interested in a gorgeous, like new 2001 Aprilia Falco with CF cans/chip ~128 hp, soft luggage, and ridiculously low mileage, contact me. -- Larry --- "S. Russell" wrote: > With only seven sticks, how do you hit the eighth ball? > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William J. Huson" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... > > > > "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > > > > > That's sort of where I'm headed. I have what's called a > hard > > > case for multiple cues, made of synthetic leather with > hard > > > foam tubes inside. The problem is that the straps on > these > > > things are quite short, meant for casually looping over > one > > > shoulder, not over the body -- and nowhere near long > enough > > > to go over one shoulder diagonally over my back, even > without > > > a Joe Rocket Ballistic jacket and armor on. Further, > the > > > existing short straps on such cases are either > permanently > > > stitched to the case or have loop arrangements on the > ends > > > which fit over the ends of the case. > > > > Whoops, I'm outta here. No way I'm playing pool with a > guy who has SEVEN > > cuesticks! > > > > Bill > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 22:35:18 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "S. Russell" , , "Mike Bartman" Cc: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Morning ride, cagers suck Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:35:23 -0500 I came from NY and they have the cell phones in cars law, where your required to use handfree. It's a PAIN in the A$$. I think having to mess with all that handfree and earphone stuff distracts you even more than no having it. Just wait till they start doing photo cell phone enforcement. :-O Wonder what the next photo enforcement issue will be? -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "S. Russell" To: , "Mike Bartman" Sent: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:50:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Morning ride, cagers suck > I do agree with the IQ concept, but it is my opinion that if people would > get off the cell phones (even go to hands free units) and worry > about the road instead of what bread milk and toilet paper to get we > would be better off. I don't think this would have pertained to > this, but it pertains to a lot of cage vs motorcycle accidents. > They could have been avoided if they would have that phone > blindsiding their field of vision. > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Bartman" > To: "S. Russell" ; > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:37 PM > Subject: Re: Morning ride, cagers suck > > > At 11:44 AM 11/2/03 -0500, S. Russell wrote: > > >As I begin to gun it > > >out of the way he decides to tap my back wheel cause I am not going fast > > >enough, luckily I ride it out and speed up out of his way. Once I move > he > > >guns it back to 70 and gives me a "we are number one" sign. > > > > You know, with an ass like that, I think I might have changed my plans and > > just followed him to whereever he was going, then dragged him from his car > > and beat him to a pulp. If he got wise and drove to a police station to > > complain about me following him, I'd have pressed charges for vehicular > > assault. > > > > I'd probably have regretted it later, but that sort of jerk/threat to my > > existence is something that just puts me over the edge in a hurry. > > > > >I don't see why todays society can't > > >just take their time and enjoy life instead of the "hurry up and wait" > > >syndrome that is plagueing us all. > > > > Because the average IQ is only 100? Given the population size, the median > > and average are about the same, meaning that half the people in the > country > > are *below* 100 IQ. Keep that in mind and it explains all sorts of > things... > > > > >This is going to get someone killed and I hope it is not me. > > > > I hope it isn't either of us! :^) > > > > -- Mike B. > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated > * > > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered > * > > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated > * > > > *-------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------* > > * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! > * > > > **************************************************************************** > > > > ------- End of Original Message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 22:36:27 2003 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 19:36:19 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... To: "S. Russell" , "William J. Huson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You don't. You play seven-ball. 8;) -- Larry --- "S. Russell" wrote: > With only seven sticks, how do you hit the eighth ball? > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William J. Huson" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... > > > > "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > > > > > That's sort of where I'm headed. I have what's called a > hard > > > case for multiple cues, made of synthetic leather with > hard > > > foam tubes inside. The problem is that the straps on > these > > > things are quite short, meant for casually looping over > one > > > shoulder, not over the body -- and nowhere near long > enough > > > to go over one shoulder diagonally over my back, even > without > > > a Joe Rocket Ballistic jacket and armor on. Further, > the > > > existing short straps on such cases are either > permanently > > > stitched to the case or have loop arrangements on the > ends > > > which fit over the ends of the case. > > > > Whoops, I'm outta here. No way I'm playing pool with a > guy who has SEVEN > > cuesticks! > > > > Bill > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 22:54:19 2003 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 22:52:49 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: "S. Russell" CC: pltrgyst@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... "S. Russell" wrote: > With only seven sticks, how do you hit the eighth ball? > > Scott Wait one, I've got it figured out. Larry has 3 butts and seven tips. One butt is the *breaker*, and for that he uses 3 tips which carefully crafted by the cue maker for soft, medium, or hard breaks. That leaves 2 butts and 4 tips. Butt A is for the solid color balls - even, and butt B for the stripers - odd. But what about the 4 tips, you query? Hey, everyone knows the rotation of the earth induces corolious(sp?) forces! Each tip is graded for a compass quadrant of the shot - NE, SE, SW, and NW. Simple... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 22:57:59 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: , Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:57:46 -0500 God, after that I am going to need a drink. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: "S. Russell" Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:52 PM Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... > "S. Russell" wrote: > > > With only seven sticks, how do you hit the eighth ball? > > > > Scott > > Wait one, I've got it figured out. Larry has 3 butts and seven tips. One > butt is the *breaker*, and for that he uses 3 tips which carefully crafted by > the cue maker for soft, medium, or hard breaks. That leaves 2 butts and 4 > tips. Butt A is for the solid color balls - even, and butt B for the stripers > - odd. But what about the 4 tips, you query? Hey, everyone knows the > rotation of the earth induces corolious(sp?) forces! Each tip is graded for > a compass quadrant of the shot - NE, SE, SW, and NW. Simple... > > Bill > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 22:58:33 2003 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 22:57:23 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bikes and pool...(and Aprilia Falco for sale) "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > You break your favorite cue down and use just the butt? > > It's not really seven sticks, it's three sticks (butts) with > seven shafts. A primary shooting cue, a break/jump cue, and a > spare, each with two or more shafts with tips of differing > hardness. > > They're somewhat like bikes -- they seem to proliferate of > their own accord. If I owned *only* seven cues, my wife would > be a much happier person. Hell, if the rec room had less than > seven cue *cases* in it, she'd be ecstatic. > > Actually, I just sold a 1959 Willie Hoppe on eBay last night > -- a major psychological breakthrough! In a major collision > with reality 8;(, > > I even put the Aprilia up for sale, since I put a deposit > down on a Multistrada... > > If anyone's interested in a gorgeous, like new 2001 Aprilia > Falco with CF cans/chip ~128 hp, soft luggage, and > ridiculously low mileage, contact me. > > -- Larry Well, I looked at an Aprilla a month or so ago - an Aprilla Scooter. Methinks it is a kick-ass scooter, but alas - PURPLE! Not a cool purple, but a metallic maroonish purple. Barf! Like WTF? The Italians have a lock on "Pizzazz" and the paint the damn scooter puke maroon/purple? Gag me. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 23:01:09 2003 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 22:59:55 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Rob Sharp CC: "S. Russell" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Mike Bartman , dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Morning ride, cagers suck Rob Sharp wrote: > I came from NY and they have the cell phones in cars law, where your required > to use handfree. It's a PAIN in the A$$. I think having to mess with all that > handfree and earphone stuff distracts you even more than no having it. > > Just wait till they start doing photo cell phone enforcement. :-O Wonder what > the next photo enforcement issue will be? Well, seems technology can read your cell phone location and track it, giving the intrusive peckers a speed reading. Future - a speeding fine included on your wireless bill? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 23:14:54 2003 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:14:51 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... To: "William J. Huson" , "S. Russell" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > But what about the 4 tips, you query? Hey, everyone knows the > rotation of the earth induces corolious(sp?) forces! > Each tip is graded for a compass quadrant of the shot - > NE, SE, SW, and NW. Simple... That's it. But it's damned tricky when you play a tournament in Australia. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 23:16:54 2003 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:16:52 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Bikes and pool...(and Aprilia Falco for sale) To: "William J. Huson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Well, I looked at an Aprilla a month or so ago - an Aprilla > Scooter. > Methinks it is a kick-ass scooter, but alas - PURPLE! Not > a cool > purple, but a metallic maroonish purple. Barf! Like WTF? > The Italians > have a lock on "Pizzazz" and the paint the damn scooter > puke > maroon/purple? Gag me. Purple sounds cool, but maroonish? I looked at a Suzuki 650 Burgman yesterday in a nice really deep dark metallic blue, though. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 23:19:18 2003 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:19:15 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... To: "S. Russell" , "William J. Huson" Cc: pltrgyst@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "S. Russell" wrote: > God, after that I am going to need a drink. Never a bad idea. And I'm sitting here staring at an almost full bottle of Vintage 19 yr. 1979 non-chill-filtered Caol Ila... Time to reach for the "What Would Jesus Drink" shot glass. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 2 23:23:52 2003 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: , "William J. Huson" Cc: , Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:23:37 -0500 and I with six bottles of scotch (all different ages) jameson's, bailey's, and guiness, hmmmmm decisions decisions. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "S. Russell" ; "William J. Huson" Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 11:19 PM Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... > --- "S. Russell" wrote: > > God, after that I am going to need a drink. > > Never a bad idea. And I'm sitting here staring at an almost > full bottle of Vintage 19 yr. 1979 non-chill-filtered Caol > Ila... > > Time to reach for the "What Would Jesus Drink" shot glass. > > -- Larry > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 06:00:13 2003 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 05:58:56 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" CC: "S. Russell" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > But what about the 4 tips, you query? Hey, everyone knows > the > > rotation of the earth induces corolious(sp?) forces! > > Each tip is graded for a compass quadrant of the shot - > > NE, SE, SW, and NW. Simple... > > That's it. But it's damned tricky when you play a tournament > in Australia. > > -- Larry No prob. When "down under", just hold your Cue compass up to a mirror! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 06:37:46 2003 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 03:37:43 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Two things: 1. If there's any sort of mounted material on the stick case, you can use it as a mount point for any straps. If there isn't one you can always mount something onto the case. While my sticks aren't worth $200 (25 year old aluminum and plastic :-) I do have a hard case that I'm certain I could put some sort of secure mount point on it. 2. Forget bungie cords, use straps. Much more secure and they don't bounce around. You can cinch it down securly (assuming mount points on the item) with worrying about bouncing or cutting off your circulation. Carl --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > That's sort of where I'm headed. I have what's called a hard > case for multiple cues, made of synthetic leather with hard > foam tubes inside. The problem is that the straps on these > things are quite short, meant for casually looping over one > shoulder, not over the body -- and nowhere near long enough > to go over one shoulder diagonally over my back, even without > a Joe Rocket Ballistic jacket and armor on. Further, the > existing short straps on such cases are either permanently > stitched to the case or have loop arrangements on the ends > which fit over the ends of the case. > > I have a backpack specifically designed to carry tennis > racquets which works great on the bikes, but don't see > anything comparable for pool cues. > > If I can't find an easy existing solution, I may discuss this > further with Linda and see what she could create. Or get over > my paranoia concerning bungee straps. 8;) > > Thanks again, all. > > -- Larry > > --- "S. Russell" wrote: > > I might be talking stupid, but can't you get a soft case > > for the stick that > > secures around the body? Kind of like a backback, but that > > might get in the > > way if the situation arises. > > > > Scott > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Mike Bartman" ; > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:54 PM > > Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... > > > > > > > --- Mike Bartman wrote: > > > > No luggage rack, I presume? > > > > > > On the 919 yes, on the Aprilia no. Somehow I'm hesitant > > to > > > trust >$2000 worth of cues to bungee cords. The 30 inch > > > length across the rack wouldn't be a problem unless lane > > > splitting, I guess. > > > > > > > Ok, how about strapping it to your back with bungee > > cords > > > > and/or clothesline? > > > > > > That's probably where I'm headed -- probably have to > > fashion > > > an extra long, extra sturdy strap and mount system. > > > > > > > You could mount a carrier to your bike > > permanently...make > > > > it out of PVC pipe for durability and cheapness. > > > > > > > > Or maybe you could get something from RAM to allow > > mounting > > > > it across your bars when needed... > > > > > > Don't think either of them would work for a 3x7 cue case > > (3 > > > butts, 7 shafts, plus accessories), about 4.5" square in > > > cross-section. > > > > > > Thanks for the suggestions. > > > > > > -- Larry > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > > > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 07:49:49 2003 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Wayne Edelen'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Pummeling cagers (was Morning ride, cagers suck) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 07:49:11 -0500 I had a guy try to run into me and give me the finger so I followed him until he pulled up were some cops had arrested a guy. So idiot driver trys to complain that I was harassing him. I explained to the cops what happened and to cop just smiles and says I ride to "we'll take care of this a-hole". I was funny seeing the guys face as I was pulling off and he was surrounded by three cops on a dark street getting cuffed. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:06 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Pummeling cagers (was Morning ride, cagers suck) On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Mike Bartman wrote: > You know, with an ass like that, I think I might have changed my plans and > just followed him to whereever he was going, then dragged him from his car > and beat him to a pulp. If he got wise and drove to a police station to > complain about me following him, I'd have pressed charges for vehicular > assault. > > I'd probably have regretted it later, but that sort of jerk/threat to my > existence is something that just puts me over the edge in a hurry. One of the guys on the 'Busa board was intentionally cut off 2x by a cabbie. He followed the cab through traffic and cornered him on a dead end street. The cab ran into the bike, knocking it over and sped away. The 'Busa rider chased him down and caught him in front of 3 cops. He punched through his driver's window and grabbed the guy... and then the cops were all over him. They wouldn't listen to his explanation and he was arrested for assault. He's now dealing with the legal ramifications of his actions. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 08:29:10 2003 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 05:28:47 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Election Day To: DC Bike List Election day is tomorrow folks. Regardless of who you vote for, go vote. If you don't vote, you can't bitch about the roads, taxes, etc., etc. And for those Fairfax County residents that think they might get arrested, have a friend relative arrested, get sued, sue somebody, need a subpoena served, need assets seized, etc., etc. Go vote Stan Barry for Sheriff, he will get those services accomplished much better than Vickery. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 09:28:25 2003 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:28:08 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: pltrgyst@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bikes and pool... X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 In a message dated 11/1/2003 9:34:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes: > Let's see, we've already started a furor with OT posts > concerning poker (thanks for coming, Fish -- next game 20 > November for anyone else interested), so how about > pool/billiards? > > Any pool shooters, especially one-pocket, among the dc > denizens? > > And on-topic, has anyone found a safe and reliable way to > carry pool cues on a bike? None of my cue cases have a strap > either solid enough or long enough to get over my riding > gear, or solid enough metal anchor points to use a > third-party strap. Any ideas? > > Thanks -- Larry I'd be up for some 8 ball. Some friends and I hit Buffalo Billiards on DuPont every once in a while. I play slop cause I stink. ;-) Had a pool table for years at my folks house. It now resides at my sisters house. They just went up one day, said they were finishing off their basement and taking the table. However, I took the best cue before they got to it. :-) No ideas on carrying a cue on the bike. I usually walk since it's not that far from me. Gotta love livin in DC. LOL Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) AFRA #17 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 23:07:11 2003 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 23:05:58 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Foam needed... Many moons ago the US Navy installed Astroturf at the Academy. My friend went dumpster diving and rescued the scraps of foam used under Astroturf. It is a high density closed cell AKA G-Pad. We used most of it to line the cockpits of our race boats, and I used a piece to modify the OEM Harley seat, but didn't have enough to do the whole seat. Better, but I rolled over and got a Corbin. I'm back it - modifying another seat(s). What I need is more of that neat foam. Cuts with a sharp knife, or a hacksaw, and can be shaped with 40 grit. Anyone know of a local source for a variety of foams? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 3 23:36:29 2003 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 23:36:23 -0500 To: "Dave Yates" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Morning ride, cagers suck At 05:39 PM 11/3/03 -0500, Dave Yates wrote: > We still >> lose between 40,000 and 48,000 people a year on the highways, just like we >> did in the 70s. If you want to blame cell phone use for accidents you >will >> need to figure out how to control for traffic density, average speeds, >> vehicle design changes, road rage and driver skill levels...among other >> factors. > >[Dave] No, I don't. Nor do my delegate and senator. You (and they) certainly do, if you are interested in actually accomplishing anything useful. If you can't tell the difference between "motion" and "action", then, yeah, I guess you can skip the whole problem analysis step. That's certainly how lots of bad laws get on the books, so it's very popular. >This topic makes the rounds on this list >so frequently because we observe these cell yakkers all the time, and >they're not >being noticed for their adeptness at apexing or overall driving courtesy & >skill, they're noticed because they drive poorly. You see someone driving like they've been pithed, and see that they are on a cell phone, so you conclude that cell phone use results in poor driving? It certainly might, but that's a pretty big leap there. You don't know how many times someone was on a cell phone and didn't call attention to themselves because they were driving just fine for instance. They aren't in your dataset. You've pre-selected your cell phone users for poor driving first, and then noted that a cell phone was involved a lot of the time and concluded that cell phones cause bad driving. That's a bit circular in the logic. You may still be right, but you don't have any valid proof of it there. It's entirely possible that some people can use a cell phone and still drive just fine, though it's clear that not all can. It's also possible that some people are smart enough to know when cell phone use while driving is not a problem, and only do so at those times...they wouldn't be in your dataset either. You are also missing all of the ones with speakers or headsets, since you won't know that they are holding a conversation over a phone, so you'll miss a lot of cell phone users. What you really need to do is to ban cell phone use by those people who can't use them intelligently and who's driving is adversely affected by their lack of wit and skill...or better yet, get these fuckers off the road entirely! >> Or are they just >> the first target in a campaign that will eventually address all the other >> issues too...somehow? > >[Dave] I'm not understanding where you're trying to take this; Just above, >you >cited the 40 - 48k fatalities / year on the roads, yet, in the very same >missive, >you give cell chatters - among the other distractions - a free pass. Why? I didn't give anyone a free pass who was being distracted by their extra activities. You are, for all but cell chatters though. That's my point: fight the distractions, don't get fixated on cell phones in particular. Distracted drivers are a problem, regardless of what's distracting them. Drivers who are paying adequate attention to their driving aren't a problem, no matter what else they might be doing too. What it takes to distract a given person varies widely, as does the level of attention required to drive safely. What distracts one might not another, and vice versa for some other thing. What is enough attention to drive safely in one place and time might be totally inadequate in another. Is that any clearer? If not, let's take this off list, huh? -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 09:21:51 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:35:49 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Speaking of cell phone users... http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/2604313/detail.html -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 09:47:20 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 06:47:14 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Foam needed... To: "William J. Huson" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > ... Anyone know of a local source for a variety > of foams? There is such a business up in Rockville, but I don't know the name or number. Yellow pages, I guess. I had them make me a two-piece queen-size mattress out of very dense foam a couple of years ago. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 09:47:51 2003 From: Sunil Doshi Subject: Re: Honda Dealer for 600 Mile Maintenance Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:47:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I don't have my owner's manual with me, but I think that it calls for a valve check (and adjustment if necessary). I'm not sure how much work this entails, but all the dealers I've called have quoted me prices from $250 up, and they all say that a valve check, is figured into that cost. On Nov 3, 2003, at 9:39 PM, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 11/3/2003 2:06:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, > sdoshi@XXXXXX writes: > >> I'm also >> concerned about all the work actually being done (like the valve >> adjustment). > > Things may well have changed BUT! if I remember right the only Shadow > that > need a valve adjustment _ever_ was the old 600VLX. > Get yourself a shop manual ASAP even if you intend to do no work > yourself > because it will tell you just what is needed at any given service. > (For instance > my bike does not require a valve adjustment at 600mi.) > Use it just once and it will have paid for itself. > sunil http://widepipe.org/ride/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 11:28:50 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:28:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Foam needed... To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , "William J. Huson" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX try scopin bros. in bethesda on norfolk avenue --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > ... Anyone know of a local source for a variety > > of foams? > > There is such a business up in Rockville, but I don't > know > the name or number. Yellow pages, I guess. > > I had them make me a two-piece queen-size mattress out of > very dense foam a couple of years ago. > > -- Larry > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 12:22:23 2003 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:22:14 -0500 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Speaking of cell phone users... At 09:35 AM 11/4/03 -0500, Wayne Edelen wrote: >http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/2604313/detail.html They didn't mention alcohol involvement, but it was late, she'd been out with a friend, and having to swerve to avoid a utility pole isn't a normal part of driving. Utility poles aren't well known for running out into traffic. The fact that she wasn't wearing her seatbelt, despite studying to be an EMT (where I'm sure she had at least heard that they were a good idea), tends to add support to the "impaired even before adding the cell phone" concept. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 13:08:49 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:00:11 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Speaking of cell phone users... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >They didn't mention alcohol involvement, but it was late, >she'd been out with a friend, and having to swerve to avoid >a utility pole isn't a normal part of driving. Utility >poles aren't well known for running out into traffic. [Dave] Clearly this person's level of distraction was sufficient given the circumstances to cause her to wander off path. Even if there were an intervening factor, like wildlife, there was still enough distraction to be the overwhelmingly likely cause of this accident. > >The fact that she wasn't wearing her seatbelt [Dave] That only had the chance to prevent the fatality, not the collision. ..."impaired even before adding the cell phone" [Dave] Did you get that from the bumper sticker - "Instant Idiot: Just add cell phone" ? Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 13:34:36 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:34:28 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Honda Dealer for 600 Mile Maintenance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Actually it's probably not in the owner's propaganda leaflet and basic CYA ("don't do this, you'll DIE", "don't do that, you'll DIE"). I asked Rita to check the service manual ($60) for her Shadow VLX and it says "Valve clearance is to be inspected at 600 miles, 8000, 16000, and 24000." Carl --- Sunil Doshi wrote: > I don't have my owner's manual with me, but I think that it calls for a > valve check (and adjustment if necessary). I'm not sure how much work > this entails, but all the dealers I've called have quoted me prices > from $250 up, and they all say that a valve check, is figured into that > cost. > > On Nov 3, 2003, at 9:39 PM, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/3/2003 2:06:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > sdoshi@XXXXXX writes: > > > >> I'm also > >> concerned about all the work actually being done (like the valve > >> adjustment). > > > > Things may well have changed BUT! if I remember right the only Shadow > > > that > > need a valve adjustment _ever_ was the old 600VLX. > > Get yourself a shop manual ASAP even if you intend to do no work > > yourself > > because it will tell you just what is needed at any given service. > > (For instance > > my bike does not require a valve adjustment at 600mi.) > > Use it just once and it will have paid for itself. > > > > > sunil > http://widepipe.org/ride/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 13:40:27 2003 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:40:17 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Honda Dealer for 600 Mile Maintenance I have never heard of a Honda actually needing the adjustment at 600 miles. I didn't need one at 16k either, but you are a lot more likely to need it then. Come to think of it, I skipped the 32k adjustment. No problems yet, but I should probably get that one done. (38k and rising - I hope to break 100k which isn't all that unusual for a VFR) At 01:34 PM 11/4/2003, Carl Schelin wrote: >I asked Rita to check the service manual ($60) for her Shadow VLX and it >says "Valve clearance is to be inspected at 600 miles, 8000, 16000, and >24000." ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 14:52:55 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , "Dave Yates" , Cc: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Morning ride, cagers suck Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:53:29 -0500 Perhaps we can implant a chip in everyones head to make them more responsible. -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Mike Bartman To: "Dave Yates" , Sent: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:55:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Morning ride, cagers suck > At 12:41 PM 11/3/03 -0500, Dave Yates wrote: > > >[Dave] It's not scapegoating, it's punishing bad and irresponsible > >behavior. > > It is scapegoating when you pick on one item out of a whole flock of > them, and pretend that if you just fixed that one thing, everything > would be fine...or even significantly better. I listed half a dozen > other causes of inattention...why not go after all of them? Because > cell phones are an easier target. > > It would be really tough to make talking to the driver illegal, wouldn't > it? Or banning food in a car. Or locking kids up for misbehaving while > the car is in motion. It would cost too much to redesign all cars > so that the driver was in a sound and radio-proof compartment > separate from the passengers. Lets just ban cell phones! That will > fix it! > > As for accident rates, fatal accidents have held fairly constant > over the last 30 years or so, even as highway crowding has gone way > up. We still lose between 40,000 and 48,000 people a year on the > highways, just like we did in the 70s. If you want to blame cell > phone use for accidents you will need to figure out how to control > for traffic density, average speeds, vehicle design changes, road > rage and driver skill levels...among other factors. > > >Think of it this way > >Do you want the dump truck driver behind you on a cell phone conversation > >with his ex wife > >discussing the finer points of custody, or listening to a little Tupac ? > > Neither...but I don't want him having that same conversation with > his wife in the cab, or drinking a cherry coke's last dregs, or > lighting up a cigarette, or looking for a station that has some more > Tupac on it, or getting a blow job either. Why pick on cell phones? > Because it's politically correct? Because they are an easy > scapegoat? Or are they just the first target in a campaign that > will eventually address all the other issues too...somehow? > > It's like drunk driving. Yes, it's not a good thing to do, but why > concentrate on "drunk", when the issue is really "impaired"? I > don't care why the guy that runs over me is impaired...whether he's > "over-served", emotionally distraught, blind, or just sleepy matters > not to me if I'm flattened. > > IMO the reason we have more accidents and close calls on the roads today > has little or nothing to do with cell phone use. It has to do with lousy > drivers pushing their abilities past their capabilities...and > usually well past the legal limits (you know who you are). Most > haven't had enough science classes in school to even have a glimmer > of the reasons why a car's handling between 20 and 50mph is so > different from what it is between 50 and 80mph. Only a 30mph change > in each case, but the differences in how you have to drive are far greater. > > Or maybe it's just too many fools with loud pipes? :^) > > -- Mike B. > > **************************************************************************** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation > Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled > Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options > Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------* * "We do it > all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** ------- End of Original Message ------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 15:33:32 2003 Subject: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:33:20 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: Okay, so this is vaguely moto-related... ;-) It's been pretty quiet on the list today, so I thought I'd provide a bit of info for future trip planning. I got a quote from a Wallenius Wilhelmsen agent for ocean shipping of a motorcycle from Baltimore to Bremerhaven, Germany; roll on, roll off; of $435.48. Bike needs to be in their yard three working days prior to ship sailing date, ships sail weekly, and the trip takes on average 16 days. This is a one-way price, and you can make an advance reservation for your vehicle, but only out a couple of months (currently through mid-January). Now I need to find out how much insurance costs are... Hope this is useful to someone on the list! Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 15:36:54 2003 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:36:50 -0500 To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Speaking of cell phone users... At 01:00 PM 11/4/03 -0500, Dave Yates wrote: > >>They didn't mention alcohol involvement, but it was late, >>she'd been out with a friend, and having to swerve to avoid >>a utility pole isn't a normal part of driving. Utility >>poles aren't well known for running out into traffic. > >[Dave] Clearly this person's level of distraction was >sufficient given the circumstances to cause her to wander off >path. Apparently. The question is what caused the distraction, and would passing a law about cell phone use have had any effect on a person who clearly ignores them anyway (MA does have a seat belt law: http://www.danverspolice.com/seatblt2.htm). I suggest that this person was stupid to start with, so blaming the cell phone for the accident is like blaming the hull of the Titanic. Sure, it was involved, but it wasn't the main problem. >>The fact that she wasn't wearing her seatbelt > >[Dave] That only had the chance to prevent the fatality, not >the collision. The point is that not wearing a seatbelt, despite a law requiring one to do so, and despite her being well aware, I'm sure, of the benefits of wearing them, tends to indicate not only a mindset that would probably have led to her using a cell phone despite a law prohibiting it, but also tends to indicate her level of intelligence and/or incapacitation from more temporary causes (fatigue, alcohol, whatever)...which I suggest had more to do with the accident occurring than the fact that she was chatting with a friend. If her friend had been in the car with her during the conversation would you be suggesting we ban passengers? A conversation is a conversation...whether on a phone or in person, it's a distraction. >..."impaired even before adding the cell phone" > >[Dave] Did you get that from the bumper sticker - >"Instant Idiot: Just add cell phone" ? No. I've never seen such a bumper sticker. I wouldn't have referenced it if I had though...the sentiment may be emotionally satisfying, but it's misleading and wrong. As I keep saying, cell phones are only one factor and whether they are important in driving situations varies from person to person. Some people are idiots to start with, and such people do probably tend to use cell phones in cars in situations where less idiotic people wouldn't...but that doesn't mean the cell phone made them into idiots at all. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 15:41:18 2003 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:41:18 -0500 To: "Verde, Robert" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping At 03:33 PM 11/4/03 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: >I got a quote from a Wallenius Wilhelmsen agent for ocean shipping of a motorcycle from Baltimore to Bremerhaven, Germany; roll on, roll off; of $435.48. Bike needs to be in their yard three working days prior to ship sailing date, ships sail weekly, and the trip takes on average 16 days. This is a one-way price, and you can make an advance reservation for your vehicle, but only out a couple of months (currently through mid-January). > >Now I need to find out how much insurance costs are... Are there any problems with things like licence, tags, lights, emission control, etc.? At least you don't have have to worry about the "left hand, right hand drive" problems on a bike. At least so long as you stay on the correct side of the road for the country you are in at the time. :^) If I was going to ride "over there", I think I'd just check into renting a bike. Probably not a lot more expensive than a round-trip shipping deal. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 15:44:43 2003 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: 50% OT -- Vehicle Telecoms Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:35:17 -0500 For those with a professional interest, a press release from the ITU (maybe not news to all: However the International Telecommunications Union is the UN group responsible for steering global telecoms to a non-Babellian future). I'm on their list and this just came across. Over the years they've enabled many to blaze trails. ****** ITU to hold Workshop on Telecommunications for Motor Vehicles: First Attempt to Develop Global Standards for Automotive Telecommunications 24 - 25 November 2003 Where: ITU Headquarters, Geneva Why: ITU in collaboration with ISO (International Organization for Standardization) and ETSI (the European Telecommunications Standards Institute) is organizing a workshop offering the automotive and telecommunication industries an opportunity to exchange ideas on the future of communication technologies in motor vehicles. This workshop will be a first attempt to bring all interested parties together from around the world to forge standards that will expand markets, promote innovation and ensure that in-car communication technology moves forward at a rapid pace. Examples of the types of technology to be examined include, speech recognition, e-calls - that generate automatic calls to the emergency services in the case of an accident, predictive technology to prevent accidents and location finding technology. ...snip Who: The participation of vehicle manufacturers, network operators, systems designers, regulatory authorities and of other standards-development organizations is sought so that a broad perspective of overall requirements and activities can be discussed. For further information see: http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/worksem/telecomauto/index.html ...snip ******** Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > If I'm lifted, I want to call home Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 15:49:25 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Verde, Robert'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:53:21 -0500 This is very interesting. Does the bike require any prep; can it be full of gas and oil when dropped off? How long will they hold it for you at the destination? Obviously the logistics of having the bike arrive at the same time you hop off the plane are not possible, so how does that work? Is it 3 days prior drop-off at the return port too? $900 round trip is cheaper than renting a bike for 2 weeks, so this is WAY relevant to us moto-travelers. Mike - spent 2 weeks on a Yamaha Diversion 900 in England and Ireland 98 XR400R 96 VFR 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Verde, Robert [SMTP:Robert.Verde@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:33 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping > > Okay, so this is vaguely moto-related... ;-) > > It's been pretty quiet on the list today, so I thought I'd provide a bit > of info for future trip planning. > > I got a quote from a Wallenius Wilhelmsen agent for ocean shipping of a > motorcycle from Baltimore to Bremerhaven, Germany; roll on, roll off; of > $435.48. Bike needs to be in their yard three working days prior to ship > sailing date, ships sail weekly, and the trip takes on average 16 days. > This is a one-way price, and you can make an advance reservation for your > vehicle, but only out a couple of months (currently through mid-January). > > Now I need to find out how much insurance costs are... > > Hope this is useful to someone on the list! > > Robert > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 15:56:20 2003 Subject: RE: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:56:05 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Mike Bartman" , I thought of that, and figured that I already own my bike, plus the costs of rentals in Europe seem to be a bit high... Most of the resources I've found are apparently geared towards tours, and the few sites that list prices for rentals (such as this one in the UK: http://www.sawbridgeworth-bmw.co.uk/) have weekly rates for BMW's starting at $628.00. This did include comprehensive insurance (no idea of deductibles) but was also before a surcharge for Europe travel as well as one for a non-UK rider. Oh, and there is also a daily limit of 250 miles, not that I feel that is a critical factor! If I spend a couple of weeks plus, the price seems to work in my favor to take my bike across, plus I don't have to feel obligated to put miles on it just to justify the rental money. Of course, this is just an exercise at this point, I don't have a firm travel date in mind, and I'm still researching the licensing/other issues. Witold; the price is the same if I choose to take delivery in Southampton, and thanks for the tip on cheap(er) airfare to the UK! Robert http://www.dropbears.com/bikelinks/rentals.htm -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:41 PM To: Verde, Robert; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping At 03:33 PM 11/4/03 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: Are there any problems with things like licence, tags, lights, emission control, etc.? At least you don't have have to worry about the "left hand, right hand drive" problems on a bike. At least so long as you stay on the correct side of the road for the country you are in at the time. :^) If I was going to ride "over there", I think I'd just check into renting a bike. Probably not a lot more expensive than a round-trip shipping deal. -- Mike B. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 16:12:44 2003 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:11:35 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: "Verde, Robert" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping What a deal! I checked into shipping a bike door-to-door from my house in Virginia to Jacksonville FL and I seem to recall $500 as the baseline for various shipping companys. Bike had to be purged of gasolene also. Bill "Verde, Robert" wrote: > Okay, so this is vaguely moto-related... ;-) > > It's been pretty quiet on the list today, so I thought I'd provide a bit of info for future trip planning. > > I got a quote from a Wallenius Wilhelmsen agent for ocean shipping of a motorcycle from Baltimore to Bremerhaven, Germany; roll on, roll off; of $435.48. Bike needs to be in their yard three working days prior to ship sailing date, ships sail weekly, and the trip takes on average 16 days. This is a one-way price, and you can make an advance reservation for your vehicle, but only out a couple of months (currently through mid-January). > > Now I need to find out how much insurance costs are... > > Hope this is useful to someone on the list! > > Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 16:13:53 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:13:48 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping To: "Verde, Robert" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > Okay, so this is vaguely moto-related... ;-) > > It's been pretty quiet on the list today, so I thought I'd > provide a bit of info for future trip planning. > > I got a quote from a Wallenius Wilhelmsen agent for ocean > shipping of a motorcycle from Baltimore to Bremerhaven, > Germany; roll on, roll off; of $435.48. Bike needs to be > in their yard three working days prior to ship sailing > date, ships sail weekly, and the trip takes on average 16 > days. This is a one-way price, and you can make an advance > reservation for your vehicle, but only out a couple of > months (currently through mid-January). Good information. Did they say how far ahead you could reserve the return shipping? Thanks -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 16:19:38 2003 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Verde, Robert'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:23:38 -0500 IIRC, the Diversion 900 with full Givi luggage and Oxford tankbag was $1200 out the door for 2 weeks, unlimited miles. Turned out to be about 2000 miles total. This was out of London, where you could take the tube (from Heathrow) and walk to the shop. www.raceways.net (for reference) Mike 98 XR400R 96 VFR 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Verde, Robert [SMTP:Robert.Verde@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:56 PM > To: Mike Bartman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping > > I thought of that, and figured that I already own my bike, plus the costs > of rentals in Europe seem to be a bit high... > > Most of the resources I've found are apparently geared towards tours, and > the few sites that list prices for rentals (such as this one in the UK: > http://www.sawbridgeworth-bmw.co.uk/) have weekly rates for BMW's starting > at $628.00. This did include comprehensive insurance (no idea of > deductibles) but was also before a surcharge for Europe travel as well as > one for a non-UK rider. Oh, and there is also a daily limit of 250 miles, > not that I feel that is a critical factor! > > If I spend a couple of weeks plus, the price seems to work in my favor to > take my bike across, plus I don't have to feel obligated to put miles on > it just to justify the rental money. Of course, this is just an exercise > at this point, I don't have a firm travel date in mind, and I'm still > researching the licensing/other issues. > > Witold; the price is the same if I choose to take delivery in Southampton, > and thanks for the tip on cheap(er) airfare to the UK! > > Robert > > > http://www.dropbears.com/bikelinks/rentals.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:41 PM > To: Verde, Robert; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping > > > At 03:33 PM 11/4/03 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: > > Are there any problems with things like licence, tags, lights, emission > control, etc.? > > At least you don't have have to worry about the "left hand, right hand > drive" problems on a bike. At least so long as you stay on the correct > side of the road for the country you are in at the time. :^) > > If I was going to ride "over there", I think I'd just check into renting a > bike. Probably not a lot more expensive than a round-trip shipping deal. > > -- Mike B. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 16:20:34 2003 Subject: RE: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:20:15 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Michael Lynch" , Michael; Bike can have up to 2 liters of gas in the tank, and is expected to be ridden into their lot. I didn't ask if I was supposed to leave a key with it, or merely unlock the steering, I suspect they'll want a key too. Destination pick-up at Bremerhaven; the lady who gave me the quote thought that I got ten days free storage to pick up a personal vehicle, but she was going to check and get back to me. Insurance looks to be a little more convoluted, as my bike is over twenty years old (1983) and is also a sport touring model. Hmm. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lynch [mailto:MLynch@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:53 PM To: Verde, Robert; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping This is very interesting. Does the bike require any prep; can it be full of gas and oil when dropped off? How long will they hold it for you at the destination? Obviously the logistics of having the bike arrive at the same time you hop off the plane are not possible, so how does that work? Is it 3 days prior drop-off at the return port too? $900 round trip is cheaper than renting a bike for 2 weeks, so this is WAY relevant to us moto-travelers. Mike - spent 2 weeks on a Yamaha Diversion 900 in England and Ireland 98 XR400R 96 VFR 76 CB400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 16:28:10 2003 Subject: RE: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:28:01 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: , Larry; I didn't ask, but I suspect it might follow the same guidelines. The agent I spoke with said she had no information on ship schedules later than mid-January, and although I can see shipping schedules on the main site, they require a Shipper ID# to book a shipment. There may be other restrictions for ro-ro shipping, as many carriers take these as space available cargo. Still, I'd probably like to book transit both ways when I do arrange shipping, as well as get more info on cancellation policies in case I decide to extend my trip. Robert -----Original Message----- From: pltrgyst@XXXXXX [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 4:14 PM To: Verde, Robert; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping Good information. Did they say how far ahead you could reserve the return shipping? Thanks -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 16:34:01 2003 Subject: RE: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:33:52 -0500 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "Michael Lynch" , "Verde, Robert" , Last time I was in London I toyed with the idea of renting a motorcycle (preferably a sportbike). I didn't look especially hard, but I noticed that many - if not most - places won't even consider renting anything to those of us who are under 25 years of age. I didn't see any sportbikes for rent either. This may factor into some people's plans. Witold > From: Michael Lynch [mailto:MLynch@XXXXXX] > IIRC, the Diversion 900 with full Givi luggage and Oxford > tankbag was $1200 > out the door for 2 weeks, unlimited miles. Turned out to be > about 2000 > miles total. > This was out of London, where you could take the tube (from > Heathrow) and > walk to the shop. > www.raceways.net (for reference) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 18:23:26 2003 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:15:05 -0500 To: "Verde, Robert" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping At 03:56 PM 11/4/03 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: >I thought of that, and figured that I already own my bike, plus the costs of rentals in Europe seem to be a bit high... Yeah, they do. I wonder if it's all due to exchange rates, or if they are really higher in "absolute" terms? If there's no problems with driving a US registered bike in Europe, sounds like a plan to me! Have fun! -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 18:37:34 2003 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Re: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:37:27 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c2609f61f35c36c1a35ed545f958363af252c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > I got a quote from a Wallenius Wilhelmsen agent for ocean shipping of a motorcycle from Baltimore to Bremerhaven, Germany; Santa Claus lives south of Bremerhaven. No lie - I picked up my car there in December of '89 - it was still dark out at 09:30. I'd like to ship my bike, but I'm not willing to go without it for 4 - 5 weeks at both ends (ocean transport) or pay through the nose for air freight. Lets not even talk about getting it through customs, getting your hide from the airport to the docks, etc. etc. Bottom line is for a month or less, renting is less expensive and a LOT less hassle - insurance, carnets, etc. are all taken care of. That being said, and from my great fund of knowledge and wisdom (I've done it twice already (don't snicker)) There are a couple of places in Milano that rent - I've rented from BiancoBlu twice, and had no problems with Sean and Thomas (24 & 23 respectively) getting bikes this year. They're pretty much locked into BMWs, but the prices are good and the bikes are nrw (unlimited mileage (or is that kilometrage?)). www.bianclblu.com Another place in Milano is Mototouring. They rent a varied selection of older bikes. From what I hear (in publication and from a person whoi rented from them this summer) the condition can be somewhat less than optimum. Unlimited mileage also. They have recently teamed up with Ducati, so maybe their act is a bit better now. www.mototouring.com I've also seen a couple of places in Munchen and Frankfurt that rent, but they all have mileage limits and usually about .25 Euro per Kilometer (that's about $.46/mile). To be fair, both times that I've rented, I would have been within the mileage allowance, I just prefer not having to worry about it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 18:39:50 2003 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:39:36 -0500 To: "William J. Huson" , "Verde, Robert" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 04:11 PM 11/4/03 -0500, William J. Huson wrote: >What a deal! I checked into shipping a bike door-to-door from my house in Virginia to Jacksonville FL and I seem to recall $500 as the baseline for various shipping companys. Bike had to be purged of gasolene also. Does the "Auto-train" still run to Florida? If so, do they take bikes? That would seem to be the ideal way to get to FL with your bike...if you don't want to ride all the way there, perhaps due to winter weather. Yeah! They do take bikes! From their web page at http://www.amtrak.com/plan/autotrainpol.html : ***** Amtrak's Auto Train travels non-stop between Lorton, Virginia (LOR) and Sanford, Florida (SFA). There are no intermediate stops. When traveling on Amtrak)B’s Auto train, you (and your party, if applicable) must travel with an automobile, van, SUV or motorcycle. Limited space is available to transport motorcycles. Only standard, factory-model two-wheel motorcycles can be accepted. We cannot carry motorcycles with side cars. Passengers assist in securing and removing their motorcycles. Motorcycles must have a minimum of 5 inches clearance between the lowest portion of the frame and the bottom of the tires. ***** Hmmm...might make a nice February break...hope a train with your bike and go someplace with good riding weather for a week or two! A test for a two week trip starting February 1st for one passenger with a motorcycle, round trip, came up as $391.50 total. I suspect there are taxes on top of that, but it still sounds lower than $500 for just the bike to go one way...and you don't have to drain the gas for the Auto Train. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 19:11:21 2003 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:10:12 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Mike Bartman CC: "Verde, Robert" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping Mike Bartman wrote: > At 04:11 PM 11/4/03 -0500, William J. Huson wrote: > >What a deal! I checked into shipping a bike door-to-door from my house in > Virginia to Jacksonville FL and I seem to recall $500 as the baseline for > various shipping companys. Bike had to be purged of gasolene also. > > Does the "Auto-train" still run to Florida? If so, do they take bikes? > That would seem to be the ideal way to get to FL with your bike...if you > don't want to ride all the way there, perhaps due to winter weather. > > Yeah! They do take bikes! From their web page at > http://www.amtrak.com/plan/autotrainpol.html : > > ***** > Amtrak's Auto Train travels non-stop between Lorton, Virginia (LOR) and > Sanford, Florida (SFA). There are no intermediate stops. > > > > When traveling on Amtrak)B’s Auto train, you (and your party, if applicable) > must travel with an automobile, van, SUV or motorcycle. > > > > Limited space is available to transport motorcycles. Only standard, > factory-model two-wheel motorcycles can be accepted. We cannot carry > motorcycles with side cars. Passengers assist in securing and removing > their motorcycles. > > > > Motorcycles must have a minimum of 5 inches clearance between the lowest > portion of the frame and the bottom of the tires. A) I wasn't going to Floridumb, I was going to ship an antique BMW there. B) I'd rather ride my scoot, and did to Sarasota this spring. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 19:27:57 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:27:46 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Price quote for trans-Atlantic motorcycle shipping To: DC Cycles I looked into rental in Grenoble, France. This is a mid-sized city in the French Alps in the south-est part of France. Not a huge city. There was at least one place and they seemed to rent almost anything they sold, which included Ducatis. I asked about renting at ST4 and it was no problem, stocked with bags. Did not ask directly about a 996 but I suspect it would be a possibility. Price I do not remember but insurance was not included and it was vauge on how to get it. THey suggested I get my own insurance. Not sure if that is possible. I am hoping to rent an ST4 soon for a week long trip, and perhaps a 996 for one day. Roads are spectacular there and I need to explore the terrain I will likely live in within two years. PS: On a cross country trip in 1998 I met 5 German guys at the upper campground in Mt. Zion Park. They all had shipped their bikes from Bremenhaven to LA and its was cheaper then renting here. No great bikes either, one was a Transalp 600 (love that bike but would not ship it for a trip). I ended up riding with them for 5 days which is a whole other story. ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 20:09:58 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:09:56 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Front brake *scratching* So the bike survived the trip up to NJ and back pretty well, but there are now two problems that weren't there before. First, something in the suspension is squeaking when I go over bumps or put my weight down hard on the bike. I think it's the rear suspension, but I haven't figured out a good way to check. Second, and more worrisome, the front brake is making some really bizarre noises when I use it -- sort of like a gritty scratching. You can also feel it grab unevenly at low speed, and braking power is down. I've been in full-paranoia four-second-following-distance mode, because I'm kind of worried about this. I only noticed it when I headed into work today -- I don't think it was happening until late yesterday or early today. Any thoughts? I'm going to spend a bit of time tomorrow morning going over the bike before I ride it anywhere. This weekend I'll be changing the chain and sprockets -- if I can find a chain tool, that is. Anyone have a tool for O-ring chains I can borrow? They're charging like $55 for them at Honda Powersports of Crofton. :/ Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 20:19:06 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:19:02 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Front brake *scratching* To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Did you remove and check the pads?? --- Fish Flowers wrote: > So the bike survived the trip up to NJ and back > pretty well, but there are > now two problems that weren't there before. > > First, something in the suspension is squeaking when > I go over bumps or > put my weight down hard on the bike. I think it's > the rear suspension, but > I haven't figured out a good way to check. > > Second, and more worrisome, the front brake is > making some really bizarre > noises when I use it -- sort of like a gritty > scratching. You can also > feel it grab unevenly at low speed, and braking > power is down. I've been > in full-paranoia four-second-following-distance > mode, because I'm kind of > worried about this. I only noticed it when I headed > into work today -- I > don't think it was happening until late yesterday or > early today. > > Any thoughts? I'm going to spend a bit of time > tomorrow morning going over > the bike before I ride it anywhere. > > This weekend I'll be changing the chain and > sprockets -- if I can find a > chain tool, that is. Anyone have a tool for O-ring > chains I can borrow? > They're charging like $55 for them at Honda > Powersports of Crofton. :/ > > Fish. > ===== www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 20:44:52 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:44:49 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Front brake *scratching* On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Did you remove and check the pads?? Not as yet. You perceive that it is dark outside; I'd rather not mess the bike up because I can't see what I'm doing. Anyway, what am I checking for? Grit? Worn pads? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 20:56:31 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:56:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Front brake *scratching* To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles sounds like a warped rotor (or two?). someone mentioned checking the pads (which i agree should be done), but the low speed uneven grabbing would seem to indicate excessive runout. zero in on the problem and replace it. --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Second, and more worrisome, the front brake is making > some really bizarre > noises when I use it -- sort of like a gritty scratching. > You can also > feel it grab unevenly at low speed, and braking power is > down. I've been > in full-paranoia four-second-following-distance mode, > because I'm kind of > worried about this. I only noticed it when I headed into > work today -- I > don't think it was happening until late yesterday or > early today. > > Any thoughts? I'm going to spend a bit of time tomorrow > morning going over > the bike before I ride it anywhere. ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 21:03:44 2003 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Front brake *scratching* Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:02:36 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c76a75904d1e85595c0037a624c519b9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Fish pointed out: > > Did you remove and check the pads?? > > Not as yet. You perceive that it is dark outside; I'd rather not mess the > bike up because I can't see what I'm doing. > > Anyway, what am I checking for? Grit? Worn pads? [Dave] Damn... You can do a quick inspection with a decent light. You should be able to see if there's (any) pad left without removing the caliper... This is going to be tough, but... I agr.... well uhh.... Gimer's rr... Well, you know... I think your symptom(s) are indicative of at least one warped rotor, perhaps marginal pads as well... HTH Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 21:08:38 2003 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Cc: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Front brake *scratching* Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:09:19 -0500 Your checking for brake gnomes. And they only come out at night. ---------- Original Message ----------- > > Anyway, what am I checking for? Grit? Worn pads? > > Fish. ------- End of Original Message ------- -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 21:40:31 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:40:27 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Front brake *scratching* To: DC-Cycles --- Fish Flowers wrote: > On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > Did you remove and check the pads?? > > Not as yet. You perceive that it is dark outside; I'd rather not mess > the > bike up because I can't see what I'm doing. > You don't have to remove them. Shine the light on the ground under the brakes and then look between the pads and rotor. I would expect the copper base plate, the pad and some amount of air. On the Harley, the pads seem to touch all the time (no recoil) so I'd expect to see a paper thin gap of air between the pads and the rotor. > Anyway, what am I checking for? Grit? Worn pads? > In the daylight you can either prop the front of the bike up and slowly spin the tire, have someone watch/push, or carefully look yourself to see if the rotor is, as someone (Tom?) suggested, warped. Does the sound seem to coincide with the rotation of the wheel? > Fish. > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 21:50:45 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:50:38 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Teknic Defender Boots. Well, I figured out why my boots are leaking today. The heels are separated from the sole -- there's a nice big gap where the two should be sealed. Emailing New Enough to see what kind of warranty the boots have, but I'm not too sanguine about my chances. Bah. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 21:55:12 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:55:11 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Front brake *scratching* On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > sounds like a warped rotor (or two?). Oh, this could be fun. :/ I'm just going to guess that Freestate (my local Suzuki dealer) doesn't carry the proper brake rotor for a GS500 -- any idea how much one would cost? Actually, it occurs to me that if it _is_ the rotor, I could just rip the front rotor off the parts bike and slap it on. Any ideas on how difficult that is? Anyway, thanks for the suggestions. I'll let y'all know how it turns out. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 22:00:13 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:35:30 -0500 Subject: Of Interest on CNN.com From: Randy Moran To: DC Cycles http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/11/04/sweden.tinymotorcycle.ap/ index.html RPM From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 22:03:29 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:03:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Front brake *scratching* To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles simple. remember, however, the most important part: torque everything to spec. --- Fish Flowers wrote: > On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > sounds like a warped rotor (or two?). > > Oh, this could be fun. :/ > > I'm just going to guess that Freestate (my local Suzuki > dealer) doesn't > carry the proper brake rotor for a GS500 -- any idea how > much one would > cost? > > Actually, it occurs to me that if it _is_ the rotor, I > could just rip the > front rotor off the parts bike and slap it on. Any ideas > on how difficult > that is? > > Anyway, thanks for the suggestions. I'll let y'all know > how it turns out. > > Fish. > ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 22:12:41 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:12:39 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Virgin Mobile. So I carried SWMBO's cell phone for a while when I rode, until it exploded. Someone (on lj, not dcc) recently pointed me towards Virgin Mobile (http://www.virginmobileusa.com/), a pay-as-you-go cell phone service. Seems about perfect for an emergency phone to carry on the bike -- there's no recurring monthly fee, although you need to add $20 in airtime to your account every five months to keep the phone alive. Calls are $.25/minute for the first ten minutes in a day, $.10/minute thereafter. Phones are $60 - $160, and you get $40 of "free" airtime when you buy the phone and three ringtones. Those are the good points. The bad points: It's on the Sprint PCS digital network, so coverage isn't perfect for those back-country rides. You're charged $.10 for outgoing text messages, although incoming text messages are free. And, err, that's about it. So. I've been reasonably happy with my phone (the Kyocera K7 Rave, for those following at home), which I've had for about two weeks and used perhaps twice, once to call my mother and tell her I arrived home alive from my trip to NJ, and once to call the ever-reliable Matt Patton and ask him why I'd broken down again. (Answer: I'd run out of gas, duh.) Anyway. Just thought I'd put that out there, for those of you who might be looking for a reasonably inexpensive cell phone. I hate, loathe, and despise cell phones, but this seems like a pretty cheap emergencies-only solution. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 22:20:13 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:20:11 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Front brake *scratching* On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > remember, however, the most important part: torque everything to spec. *whips out his torque wrench* Fish. god, i love craftsman tools From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 4 22:32:51 2003 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:32:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: On-Topic: Richard Thompson at the Birchmere Aaahhh. Sitting here, 21-year-old Edradour in hand, having just returned from the Birchmere for the second night in a row seeing Richard Thompson perform solo. The man is a flat-out guitar wizard, up in my pantheon of guitar gods with Clapton and Albert King. For his folk-rock finger picking style, he i