From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 06:01:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1B1cO7028998; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:01:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1B1Hog028983; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:01:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Where to buy gloves? Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:00:57 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <20021031213008.GBKA16189.mtiwmhc14.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc09> In-Reply-To: <20021031213008.GBKA16189.mtiwmhc14.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc09> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211010600578F.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 31 October 2002 14:59, purdyjeremy@XXXXXX wrote: > Where is a good place to go to buy good cold weather motorcycle gloves in > NO.Va.? I would like to avoind Coleman if at all possible, but I don't > know where else would have gloves which are actually "designed" for > motorcycle use. > > Also, is there really much of a difference between alleged "motorcycle" > gloves and the skiing gloves sold in Hudson Trail? > I used skiing gloves last year and they worked fine down to the coldest day (17 I think). I expect more cold and colder days coming up. > BTW: People were asking yesterday about who rode in during the rain... I > rode in on every cold, rainy day this week and I don't even have a > windshield... (25 min. communte Arlington to Fairfax) > The cold, rainy days don't bother me. It's the freezing rain/snowy days I have issues with. Rainy days are fun. > -- > Jeremy Purdy > '00 Yamaha V-Star Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 07:45:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1CjiO7029417; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:45:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1CjNER029402; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:45:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Adam Wah" To: fish@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 12:44:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2002 12:44:16.0216 (UTC) FILETIME=[6367C580:01C281A4] Dude, You're burning 4 cylinders, with 4 carbs (or EFI) right? It's going to use gas. If you want gas mileage, buy a 250cc Kaw or maybe a Suzuki Savage thumber 650. Wicking up from a stop or turning the rpm's up through a corner will help lower your milage as well. Passing cars etc... HD's get a respectable 40+. Old Beemer's vary but 40+ is average. A buddy of mine gets 52 regardless of how he rides (he just thinks he's hauling ass). Disc brakes drag a bit and provide resistance. There's all sorts of explainations as to why you think your mileage is suffering. How about air restriction... have you changed your air filter lately? Tire pressure... I'm just guessing. 48 is not bad. aw Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:56:23 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers <> To: DC-Cycles <> Subject: Sucky mileage As I pulled out of the driveway this morning, I couldn't remember how many miles I had left in the tank, so just to be safe I tanked up. Now that I can check my logs, I find... 11 October: Tank up, odo: 19166. Odo is 19196 at end of day. 12 October - 28 October: Bike lies idle in the garage. 29 October: Short ride, odo -> 19244. 30 October: idle. 31 October: Tank up, odo: 19248. Gas added? 2.001 gallons. Eh? When I tanked up on 11 October, I got 48.64 mpg, which I considered somewhat low. Now I'm only getting 41 mpg. What's up with that? Does mileage suffer that much in the cold and rain, or am I piddling gas all over the garage floor? My riding habits haven't changed. Mostly highway riding, some small local-twisty stuff. Fish. Never meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free!)B  Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 07:51:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1CpMO7029473; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:51:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1Cp2Z9029458; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:51:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:51:00 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Sucky Mileage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Adam Wah wrote: > You're burning 4 cylinders, with 4 carbs (or EFI) right? Err, no. 2 cylinders, carbureted. > It's going to use gas. If you want gas mileage, buy a 250cc Kaw or > maybe a Suzuki Savage thumber 650. I'm not complaining about my overall gas mileage. Clearly I'd like it to be as high as possible (my dream car is a Honda Insight, or possibly -- as a concession to practicality, which is no fun -- a Civic Hybrid), but I'm content with my 51mpg lifetime average. I was just curious about the sudden _drop_ in mileage at my last fillup. So long as things remain consistent I can pretend the bike is in good working order and not falling apart beneath me. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 08:35:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1DZrO7029702; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:35:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1DZXYR029687; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:35:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021101133522.60306.qmail@web40907.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:35:22 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Actually had to close the vent... To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Riding into work this morning (about 6 am) I actually had to reach up and close the vent on my Shoie RF-800. Brrrr! And to top it off, I'm teaching the MSF class this weekend. Anyone have an extra extra extra long extension cord for a Widder Vest? ;-) Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 08:53:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1DrhO7029798; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:53:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1DrMYJ029783; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:53:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DC28893.463B4E63@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 08:58:43 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Actually had to close the vent... References: <20021101133522.60306.qmail@web40907.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > Riding into work this morning (about 6 am) I actually had to reach up and close > the vent on my Shoie RF-800. Brrrr! And to top it off, I'm teaching the MSF > class this weekend. Anyone have an extra extra extra long extension cord for a > Widder Vest? ;-) > > Louis No ext cord, but I do have a genuine snowmobile suit you could borrow. With the temp in the low 40s, it's good to about 60 MPH wind chill. Dang kid ran off with my snowmobile gloves, can't help you there. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 09:20:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1EK7O7029962; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:20:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1EK690029955; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:20:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006801c281b1$da2ef460$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Sucky Mileage Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:18:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Look for longer term trends in your gas mileage. Unless you always fill up at the same pump in the same manner (sidestand, centerstand, etc.) little fluctuations can be statistical anomalies. I'm displaying my ignorance here, but is the GS air cooled? On my old Nighthawk, the fuel economy always went south with the temperature, especially in stop and go driving and short trips. It doesn't noticeably affect the water-cooled bikes I have now. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" I was just curious about the > sudden _drop_ in mileage at my last fillup. So long as things remain > consistent I can pretend the bike is in good working order and not falling > apart beneath me. > > Fish. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 09:25:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1EPQO7030019; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:25:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1EPQRR030012; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:25:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021101092252.02fbd760@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:25:06 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Sucky Mileage In-Reply-To: <006801c281b1$da2ef460$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:18 AM 11/1/2002, you wrote: >Look for longer term trends in your gas mileage. Unless you always fill up >at the same pump in the same manner (sidestand, centerstand, etc.) little >fluctuations can be statistical anomalies. I'm displaying my ignorance >here, but is the GS air cooled? On my old Nighthawk, the fuel economy >always went south with the temperature, especially in stop and go driving >and short trips. It doesn't noticeably affect the water-cooled bikes I have >now. > >Paul in DC >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 typically mpg will go down in colder temperatures because the engine takes longer to reach operating temperature. Couple *that* with the oxygenated gas soon to come out, (I believe it coincides with the official start of winter on the 21st), and you can pretty much expect to get a very noticeable drop in mpg. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Fish Flowers" > >I was just curious about the > > sudden _drop_ in mileage at my last fillup. So long as things remain > > consistent I can pretend the bike is in good working order and not falling > > apart beneath me. > > > > Fish. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 09:35:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1EZLO7030204; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:35:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1EZIeu030184; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:35:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DC290D5.1F3F06B0@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:33:57 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Sucky Mileage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > I'm not complaining about my overall gas mileage. Clearly I'd like it to > be as high as possible (my dream car is a Honda Insight, or possibly -- as > a concession to practicality, which is no fun -- a Civic Hybrid), but I'm > content with my 51mpg lifetime average. I was just curious about the > sudden _drop_ in mileage at my last fillup. So long as things remain > consistent I can pretend the bike is in good working order and not falling > apart beneath me. heh... I had a V65 magna, and I was lucky to see 35 mpg. I got as low as 25 out of one tank, but I was hard on the throttle the whole time. Really hard. WFO every chance I got. just keepin' the carbs clean! :~) I REALLY miss that acceleration. that 'stomach wrapped around your spine while you're fanning the clutch lever and flicking the shift-lever like it's a bass drum kick-pedal and you're playing thrash metal' feeling. Saving up for a zrx1200, planned pruchase date, spring 2004. blue skies! skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 09:35:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1EZTO7030263; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:35:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1EZTsF030256; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:35:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1ab.b49a07c.2af3eb2c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:35:24 EST Subject: Re: Sucky Mileage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Average the mileage over several fill ups, zero the trip meter or write the odometer reading down then keep track of the gallons of fuel you use for several fill ups. Compute mileage the usual way. This will tend to eliminate the "not quite" fill ups and mileage anomalies, into a reading that is more reliable then any single reading. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 11:01:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1G1nO7030816; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:01:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1G1ljr030806; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:01:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9607EACF8B@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Maryland Ride On Sunday Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:01:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For anyone who is interested. A couple of us from the Maryland HSTA will be riding out of MT Airy this sunday (leaving at 9:30AM) from the Mcdonalds at the intersection of I70&26). While it is supposed to be clear, it will be cold.. The basic idea was to ride west out to Harper Ferry and so forth..... If anyone is interested, let me know... The pace will depend upon the riders. There is one newbie coming so it will be a fairly easy pace... However, she is a pretty good rider so the pace will probably pick up as the day goes... If anyone is definately going to show... Hit me off list and I can provide more details... Jason From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 11:16:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1GGlO7030917; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:16:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1GGlZ3030909; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:16:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:16:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200211011116.AA246874620@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Candytown Trials & School X-Mailer: Vintage Trials, and Trials School 26 October 2002, Candytown, PA ---------------------------------------------------------------- Daughter Ashley and I journeyed to the Candytown Motorcycle Club, PA, for the Vintage Trials, 26 October. Afterwards we participated in a great school on turning, by Travis Fox and Bill Caron. I had some mental baggage left over from my first foray to Candytown the beginning of this year. That was my first attempt to ride Trials, and just getting around the loop was a major exercise. I more or less rode the loop twice and tried a few sections, but left with a limp. I got my knee and shin armor after Candytown. K-K-Killer C-C-Candytown. I decided I'd ride the 3 line. After the Washinton, DC, area sniper was caught, Ashley's soccer team resumed their games so we went there first then hightailed it to Candytown. We got there late, so late that even Marc Bouchard had already arrived. Ashley didn't feel ready to ride the sections with her TY175, but I strapped on my armor, warmed up on my TL125 then headed off for section 1. Mud Hole. That's all I saw, halfway through the section. I made it through in a scrambling sort of manner and wondered how the section would change with more riders. There were 7 sections, and we rode 5 loops. The second time through I got caught in the hole and rolled backwards for a 5. Then I tried one "safety dab" and got through much more easily. Glad 3 is all you can get for paddling, and I'm glad paddling with your hands, too, is still a 3! Rock Hill. Section 2 looked pretty straightforward except for the exit. Scott Stewart, from whom we bought the TY175, was checking. Ride over soccerball-sized rocks while turning and climbing a hill, then descending. The exit required a 90-degree right turn and pass between two trees. I made it 4 times, but once the handlebars got pulled out of my hands when the front wheel hit a rock and I stopped up against a tree. The rocks got muddier and more slippery with time. Log and rock. Section 3 included going over a large log and over a large rock. I made this fairly well except for one time when I got out of sorts going over the log and then flopped around before getting straightened out. The rock got more slippery as the day wore on, but with momentum it wasn't too hard to get over. Ashley tried this section and did quite well, earning congratulations from Chad Bussworth, the checker. Creek Crossing. To get to section 4 we had to cross the creek on a bridge, cross it again in a large and deep mudhole with a half-hidden rock, then slop through soupy mud. The slurping sound the tires made in the mud was definitely worthy of a Halloween horror movie. Queueing up for section 4 required carefully stopping where you could put a foot down on a high point, otherwise it was into the mud. The section was about as hard as the loop getting to it - across the creek, up the bank, around a tree (tight if you took the sneak-line), then exit with a sharp right turn across some partially submerged roots and rocks. And stop where you could put a foot on a rock instead of in the water. I actually scored fairly well on this one, working on keeping my weight over my tires as there was a lot of slip-sliding going on. My front tire felt more like a ski than a tire when coming up the muddy creek bank. Bill Caron checked this section, and provided helpful commentary on my riding later. Rocks and 2 logs. The loop to section 5 was about a 2 or 3-line in difficulty - lots of muddy (and getting muddier with all the riders) rocks. The way I went through was to bend my knees a lot and keep a moderate and steady pace. Riders were trying several different starting points for section 5. The start and the first 20 feet were probably the hardest, amoungst rocks of various sizes. Ashley had to ride through this one to ride the loop, and got congratulated for how well she did. I was talking with Jay, another rider on a TL125, and was impressed at his wearing a not-muddy white sweatshirt. Rocks, log, and fall foliage. Section 6 was pretty straightforward, and one of the prettiest sections. We watched one rider zigzag along on his line while brightly colored Fall leaves blew through. Beautiful. Dry mudhole. Desi Herman was checking section 7. She and husband Paul were the TrialsMasters. I managed to get a basketball-sized rock caught under my engine and it rolled along with me. It then dislodged right in the middle of the path. I asked them not to tell anyone I did it, but it seems I got blamed anyway. Ashley rode this section, too, when I threated to tell Desi on her if she didn't. Again, she looked like she's getting the hang of the TY175, a big jump up from her TY80. We got lunch afterwards and joined the trophy presentation. Desi's Mom handed out the trophies. Paul announced that someone had moved the ribbon from one tree to another on line 1 in section 5 to make it much easier. Trials School. Travis Fox (4th ranked nationally; 7th in the world, I think) and Bill Caron (expert national rider, and Travis' minder) lectured, demonstrated, then critiqued us as we practiced turning. The critiquing was the best part, because having an experienced rider tell you how to improve, making the changes while riding and then feeling them really helps the message sink home. We did many tight circles around Bill and Travis (making some of us quite dizzy!) then rode figure 8's. Later we rode a tight line over and around a rocky hummock while Bill and Travis commented on our style. Bill and Travis' main points were: 1) Keep your feet about 1 in. away from the bike's frame to allow more foot movement when the bike is leaned over. 2) Ride as much on the balls of your feet as possible. It gives you more flexibility and allows more ankle motion for pre-loading and unweighting. Travis said he's always moving his feet around on the pegs. About this time I realized that my stock footpegs are WAY to small. 3) Keep your shoulders parallel with your handlebars. This helps you keep looking where you're going, and helps get your butt to the outside of the turn. 4) Keep your knees loose, and stay low. 5) Keep your weight over the line between your tires' contact patches. If your weight is centered like this, you won't dab when the bike slips or moves underneath you. Many thanks to Candytown MC, Desi and Paul Herman, Travis Fox, and Bill Caron. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 11:20:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1GKqO7030976; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:20:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1GKq0R030968; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:20:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021101162045.52251.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:20:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Sucky Mileage To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Fish Flowers wrote: > On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Adam Wah wrote: > > > You're burning 4 cylinders, with 4 carbs (or EFI) > right? > > Err, no. 2 cylinders, carbureted. > > > It's going to use gas. If you want gas mileage, buy a > 250cc Kaw or > > maybe a Suzuki Savage thumber 650. > > I'm not complaining about my overall gas mileage. Clearly > I'd like it to > be as high as possible (my dream car is a Honda Insight, > or possibly -- as > a concession to practicality, which is no fun -- a Civic > Hybrid), but I'm > content with my 51mpg lifetime average. I was just > curious about the > sudden _drop_ in mileage at my last fillup. So long as > things remain > consistent I can pretend the bike is in good working > order and not falling > apart beneath me. my twin ranges from 28 to 45 mpg.... don't worry -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 11:54:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1GsfO7031309; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:54:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1Gsf6f031301; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:54:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:54:38 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Sucky Mileage In-Reply-To: <006801c281b1$da2ef460$bb82fea9@palladio1> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > Unless you always fill up at the same pump in the same manner > (sidestand, centerstand, etc.) little fluctuations can be statistical > anomalies. I always use the centerstand, and usually fill all the way up to the gascap, but I don't always use the same pump. I keep track of the date, odometer reading, and amount of gas added. *shrug* call me anal. > I'm displaying my ignorance here, but is the GS air cooled? Yup. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 11:57:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1GvqO7031412; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:57:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1Gvq4r031404; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:57:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005201c281c7$d3d7b780$a788db42@ALLOUTRACING> Reply-To: "Gary-All Out Racing" From: "Gary-All Out Racing" To: "dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX" , , , , , References: <5.1.1.5.2.20021101092252.02fbd760@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: ANY REAL ATTORNEY'S?? Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:57:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 are there any "real "attorney's here ? trying to get someone who has heard of the "Scott Ponzer-Decision""????? Ohio Supreme court Dec.2000 it is about U I M (Under Insured Motorist Coverage) please reply. Gary AOR alloutracing@XXXXXX TIA! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 12:06:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1H6XO7031493; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:06:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1H6WWh031483; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:06:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZLf9Ttl2vNjemQ9QpPzwXryef0cThpHZ99YUwwTj+BCHC8eSaZUrc6UCyg2bLxwGc= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Gary-All Out Racing'" , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: ANY REAL ATTORNEY'S?? Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:06:28 -0500 Message-ID: <003701c281c9$0531baf0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <005201c281c7$d3d7b780$a788db42@ALLOUTRACING> Importance: Normal http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Scott+Ponzer+Decision Not a real attorney, or even a fake one. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Gary-All Out Racing [mailto:alloutracing@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:58 AM To: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX; VtecVFROwners@XXXXXX; yamahafj@XXXXXX; suzuki-rf@XXXXXX; kawasaki-ninja@XXXXXX; Hayabusa@XXXXXX Subject: ANY REAL ATTORNEY'S?? are there any "real "attorney's here ? trying to get someone who has heard of the "Scott Ponzer-Decision""????? Ohio Supreme court Dec.2000 it is about U I M (Under Insured Motorist Coverage) please reply. Gary AOR alloutracing@XXXXXX TIA! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 12:10:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1HAZO7031545; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:10:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1HAW9M031530; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:10:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaxjOKkyhnFRIFk5s8yCSvnMx16zSVg45Y/IIW9X9Mr/c/HK/yqnODq7p6dP5V2C0Y= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Gary-All Out Racing'" , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: ANY REAL ATTORNEY'S?? Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:08:54 -0500 Message-ID: <003801c281c9$5c65f2f0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Scott+Pontzer+Dec ision&spell=1 It even works better when I correct your spelling. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:06 PM To: 'Gary-All Out Racing'; DC Cycles (E-mail) Subject: RE: ANY REAL ATTORNEY'S?? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Scott+Ponzer+Decision Not a real attorney, or even a fake one. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Gary-All Out Racing [mailto:alloutracing@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:58 AM To: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX; VtecVFROwners@XXXXXX; yamahafj@XXXXXX; suzuki-rf@XXXXXX; kawasaki-ninja@XXXXXX; Hayabusa@XXXXXX Subject: ANY REAL ATTORNEY'S?? are there any "real "attorney's here ? trying to get someone who has heard of the "Scott Ponzer-Decision""????? Ohio Supreme court Dec.2000 it is about U I M (Under Insured Motorist Coverage) please reply. Gary AOR alloutracing@XXXXXX TIA! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 12:11:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1HBhO7031571; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:11:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1HBh9I031564; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:11:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004101c281c9$cb066a00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: Sucky Mileage Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:11:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" > On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > > > Unless you always fill up at the same pump in the same manner > > (sidestand, centerstand, etc.) little fluctuations can be statistical > > anomalies. > > I always use the centerstand, and usually fill all the way up to the > gascap, but I don't always use the same pump. I keep track of the date, > odometer reading, and amount of gas added. *shrug* call me anal. > The reason I say "same pump" is that the concrete pads slope away from the pumps. Depending on the angle, it might affect how much gas you can get in the tank, if you're basing your mileage figures on that. A lot of slope and you could have an air bubble on the high side of the tank. My VF is this way. Centerstand is the way to go with the VF, plus nudging the bike with my hip to get the air out. I have to burp the bike to get a full tank of gas. No joke. On the VFR, I monitor the mileage by resetting the tripometer and monitoring when the idiot light comes on. I gave up recording fuel purchases a while back. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 12:14:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1HEsO7031616; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:14:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1HEsul031609; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:14:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514F75@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'steven.dipietro@XXXXXX'" Subject: neck was icy (Was "So?") Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:15:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Suzuki Steve Di Pietro Declared, "My feet were a _little_ wet and my hands were cold. I didn't use my scarf under my chin so my neck was icy, damn updraft. Other than that though, I was fairly warm." Warm neck recipe: Quarter yard of "Polartec WindBlock" ~$5.00 Two strips of Velcro: ~ $1.00 Fabric glue Snip and assemble. Equals enough neck warmer for you another. Folks, even with a warm neck, take care. Conspicuity and traction is decreasing with daylight and temperatures. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 12:25:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1HPjO7031690; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:25:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1HPj1m031685; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:25:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: neck was icy (Was "So?") Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:25:37 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514F75@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514F75@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211011225378V.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 01 November 2002 12:15, Custer, Carl wrote: > Suzuki Steve Di Pietro Declared, > "My feet were a _little_ wet and my hands were cold. I didn't use my scarf > under my chin so my neck was icy, damn updraft. Other than that though, I > was fairly warm." > > Warm neck recipe: > Quarter yard of "Polartec WindBlock" ~$5.00 > Two strips of Velcro: ~ $1.00 > Fabric glue > Snip and assemble. > Equals enough neck warmer for you another. > > Folks, even with a warm neck, take care. Conspicuity and traction is > decreasing with daylight and temperatures. It was me not Suzuki Steve that penned that. Bit I agree. I just didn't put my scarf on. I normally just wrap it around my neck and chin and strap the helmet over the scarf. No problems all last winter and no problems so far. It wasn't icy enough for me to stop and adjust it. While being conspicious is high, so is defensive driving. We all know where the worst problems are; intersections. The guy moving from the left or right while in traffic is the more common occurance but the guy making a left is the one that'll stop you. My scarier incidents and one week long hospital visit were the left turners. I've yet to be sideswiped. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 12:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1HXAO7031765; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:33:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1HXAaS031758; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:33:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021101123152.0215fe40@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 12:33:03 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Two weeks Off In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514F75@dchqclexhq.fsis.u sda.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Every year, I stop commuting the two weeks after the time change. Deer in heat combined with disoriented commuters and wet leaves = bad situation. At 12:15 PM 11/1/2002, Custer, Carl wrote: >Folks, even with a warm neck, take care. Conspicuity and traction is >decreasing with daylight and temperatures. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 15:26:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1KQUO7032609; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:26:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1KQR1i032599; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:26:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021101202617.74758.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:26:17 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: ANY REAL ATTORNEY'S?? To: Gary-All Out Racing , "dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <005201c281c7$d3d7b780$a788db42@ALLOUTRACING> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii what's a "real" attorney? from what i recall (and fyi in case your inquiry concerns maryland), to pursue a direct action in maryland against an insurer requires liability to have been established. --- Gary-All Out Racing wrote: > are there any "real "attorney's here ? > trying to get someone who has heard of the "Scott > Ponzer-Decision""????? > Ohio Supreme court Dec.2000 > it is about U I M (Under Insured Motorist Coverage) > please reply. Gary AOR > alloutracing@XXXXXX > TIA! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 15:34:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1KYlO7000398; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:34:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1KYlVK000390; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:34:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021101203445.77047.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:34:45 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: ANY REAL ATTORNEY'S?? To: Tom Gimer , "dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <20021101202617.74758.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One that gets paid for his advice is a start, right? I cannot believe people that complain about free advice.... --- Tom Gimer wrote: > what's a "real" attorney? > > from what i recall (and fyi in case your inquiry > concerns > maryland), to pursue a direct action in maryland > against an > insurer requires liability to have been established. > > > > > --- Gary-All Out Racing > wrote: > > are there any "real "attorney's here ? > > trying to get someone who has heard of the "Scott > > Ponzer-Decision""????? > > Ohio Supreme court Dec.2000 > > it is about U I M (Under Insured Motorist > Coverage) > > please reply. Gary AOR > > alloutracing@XXXXXX > > TIA! > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 15:39:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1KdFO7000834; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:39:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1KdFTZ000826; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:39:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004b01c281e5$9a177e40$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: Online Classifieds Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:31:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 single male looking for a good time on top of a two wheeled vehicle... prefers slim & light weight two cylinders with 4 valves. Is there a good online classifieds for bikes that's easy search as well? I'm looking for a cheap SV650 as a commuter & etc. (darn, I miss the HawkGT....) Ducati's Monster seems nice too but do they still have heavy clutch lever and hard to find neutrals? couldn't really find good stuff at www.cycletrader.com or www.motorcycle.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 15:44:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1KixO7001131; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:44:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1KiwJX001125; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:44:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021101204455.50893.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:44:55 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: Online Classifieds To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <004b01c281e5$9a177e40$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cycletrader.com is pretty good. You can also search the adds in the post at washingtonpost.com. Someone in Ohio has an 2000 SV650 on ebay with a buy it now price of 3,300. Keith --- Shigeru Honda wrote: > single male looking for a good time on top of a two > wheeled vehicle... > prefers slim & light weight two cylinders with 4 > valves. > > Is there a good online classifieds for bikes that's > easy search as well? > I'm looking for a cheap SV650 as a commuter & etc. > (darn, I miss the > HawkGT....) > Ducati's Monster seems nice too but do they still > have heavy clutch lever > and hard to find neutrals? > couldn't really find good stuff at > www.cycletrader.com or www.motorcycle.com > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 15:50:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1KoIO7001386; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:50:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1KoI7K001377; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:50:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: Online Classifieds Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:49:00 -0600 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A641962307654279@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Online Classifieds Thread-Index: AcKB6D7SgLlxwsi0SxOKDlDEK9EIiA== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gA1KoHO7001365 Try this link http://www.svrider.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?search_and_di splay_db_button=on&query=category&category=Bikes+For+Sale&results_format =headlines George Cole >>> Shigeru Honda 11/01/02 03:31PM >>> Is there a good online classifieds for bikes that's easy search as well? I'm looking for a cheap SV650 as a commuter & etc. (darn, I miss the HawkGT....) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 16:36:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1LaMO7001869; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:36:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1LaLfV001859; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:36:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9607EACF91@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: "'Shigeru Honda'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Online Classifieds Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:36:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" try yahoo classifieds. Not as widely used but you can find serious deals.. A friend last month picked up a pristine 2000-1 SV650S with 750 miles for what was left on the guy's loan - $3500. I found a bandit 400 3 three months ago for $1000 with 15,000 miles (ok so it's not a twin, but it's fun)... Jason I Picton jip98@XXXXXX 1998 Honda VTR1000 Superhawk 1991 Suzuki GSF400 Bandit 1989 Honda NT650 Hawk GT 1988 Honda NX650 -----Original Message----- From: Shigeru Honda [mailto:shonda3@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 3:31 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Online Classifieds single male looking for a good time on top of a two wheeled vehicle... prefers slim & light weight two cylinders with 4 valves. Is there a good online classifieds for bikes that's easy search as well? I'm looking for a cheap SV650 as a commuter & etc. (darn, I miss the HawkGT....) Ducati's Monster seems nice too but do they still have heavy clutch lever and hard to find neutrals? couldn't really find good stuff at www.cycletrader.com or www.motorcycle.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 20:02:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA212QO7004126; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:02:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA212PK8004119; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:02:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:16:32 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Kill the weathermen/women! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Left the house around 11am today on my Busa. Checked the weather before I left, clear and cool, high around 55 forecast for the DC Metro area. Got on 15 south in Frederick heading down to Leesburg, then out to Reston to meet some friends for lunch. As soon as I hit the road, it started to rain and the temps dropped. Rained for 90% of the trip to lunch. Jumped on the toll road/beltway to head to Rockville to run some other errands and was greeted with cool temps and light rain for the rest of the day :-\ I really need to work on a solution to keep my chin/neck warm. I like Bill's suggestion of velcroing some polartech to the bottom of the helmet. I think I'll make that a project for the weekend :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 1 22:03:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA233UO7004850; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:03:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA233Thx004842; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:03:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Where to buy gloves? Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:03:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20021031213008.GBKA16189.mtiwmhc14.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc09> Importance: Normal My employer has some very warm gloves. give us a call on Monday at 703-913-7261. LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com -----Original Message----- From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX [mailto:purdyjeremy@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:00 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Where to buy gloves? Where is a good place to go to buy good cold weather motorcycle gloves in NO.Va.? I would like to avoind Coleman if at all possible, but I don't know where else would have gloves which are actually "designed" for motorcycle use. Also, is there really much of a difference between alleged "motorcycle" gloves and the skiing gloves sold in Hudson Trail? BTW: People were asking yesterday about who rode in during the rain... I rode in on every cold, rainy day this week and I don't even have a windshield... (25 min. communte Arlington to Fairfax) -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 2 08:02:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA2D2KO7007916; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:02:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA2D2JZ9007909; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:02:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4c.1448c4e3.2af526d3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:02:11 EST Subject: Re: Candytown Trials & School To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 11/1/2002 11:17:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > warmed up on my TL125 You have a TL125? _neat!_ I would love to have one. Motocrossed a highly modified SL125 for years, love that motor. If I could afford one I would have one of the Honda Reflex TLR200 street trials, rode one in NV at a dealer I worked for, neat bike, would be a lot of fun around here. Last time I watched a vintage trials I was ready to steal a bike, I wanted to play so badly. Gotta go slow before you can go fast! John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 2 08:15:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA2DFeO7008008; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:15:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA2DFeRM008000; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:15:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <94.2f3647c8.2af529f3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:15:31 EST Subject: Re: Kill the weathermen/women! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 11/1/2002 8:02:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > I like > Bill's suggestion of velcroing some polartech to the bottom of the helmet. So do I _but_ a little caution is called for, be careful that you allow enough air flow to breathe, there have been cases of riders having problems from too little air flow, easy to do when trying to stay warm. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 2 12:02:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA2H2eO7009254; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:02:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA2H2cUd009244; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:02:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kill the weathermen/women! Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 12:01:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2002 17:01:31.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E2025A0:01C28291] Wayne, I've had great success with one of those neoprene (?sp) ski masks that cover from the nose down past the chin where your jacket might end. Fits fine under the helmet and keeps that area nice and warm. Below that...Gerbings, baby! Galyans, Ski Chalet, maybe even Modell's and Sports Authority. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Kill the weathermen/women! Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:16:32 -0500 (EST) Left the house around 11am today on my Busa. Checked the weather before I left, clear and cool, high around 55 forecast for the DC Metro area. Got on 15 south in Frederick heading down to Leesburg, then out to Reston to meet some friends for lunch. As soon as I hit the road, it started to rain and the temps dropped. Rained for 90% of the trip to lunch. Jumped on the toll road/beltway to head to Rockville to run some other errands and was greeted with cool temps and light rain for the rest of the day :-\ I really need to work on a solution to keep my chin/neck warm. I like Bill's suggestion of velcroing some polartech to the bottom of the helmet. I think I'll make that a project for the weekend :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free!)B  Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 2 12:32:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA2HWPO7009571; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:32:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA2HWP08009563; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:32:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: racers, more suzuki HP? Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 12:43:43 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gA2HWOO7009551 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1865985159 Anyone race know of any racers trick to accomplish the same thing? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 2 13:25:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA2IPNO7010070; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:25:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA2IPMs4010060; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:25:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00d901c2829d$30a56fe0$9865fea9@Godzilla> From: "Master Thomas Staney" To: References: Subject: Free maps Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:25:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I remember a question on maps a while back. I came upon a link for free maps for Maryland roads, scenic roads and others. http://www.sha.state.md.us/oppe/freemaps.asp Hope this helps anyone out, I ordered them to see what they were like. Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 2 13:31:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA2IV2O7010309; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:31:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA2IV2S5010298; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:31:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00bc01c2829c$c6e990e0$077e5c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Sinister Shadows Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:22:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 For me its sinister shadows season clear through March -- those bright days when sunshields are necessary but urban shadows in the canyons are long and frequent and darker for the shields. Plenty, very plenty, hiding places for cars, people, etc. ready to pounce. I don't trust those dark spaces. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Next -- daylight 360deg floodlights Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: Troutman Subject: Two weeks Off Every year, I stop commuting the two weeks after the time change. Deer in heat combined with disoriented commuters and wet leaves = bad situation. At 12:15 PM 11/1/2002, Custer, Carl wrote: >Folks, even with a warm neck, take care. Conspicuity and traction is >decreasing with daylight and temperatures. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 2 13:52:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA2IqdO7010594; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:52:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA2Iqdkl010586; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:52:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 13:51:55 -0500 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: motorcycle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: racers, more suzuki HP? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0C8570A5.035F1162.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit can't you just remap your FI to accomplish this? using a power commander or something else. i have carbs so i dont need to worry about this issue. -mark In a message dated 11/2/2002 12:43:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1865985159 > > Anyone race know of any racers trick to accomplish the same > thing? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 2 16:02:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA2L21O7011391; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:02:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA2L20WP011379; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:02:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'Motor PsychoL Danny'" , Subject: RE: racers, more suzuki HP? Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:01:54 -0500 Message-ID: <004701c282b3$133eb9f0$1b06030a@5Q39911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: It's called a TRE (Timing Retard Eliminator) and you can do it yourself for about $3 if you don't mind soldering. The one sold there plugs in. Here are details on doing it yourself: http://pub141.ezboard.com/ftlownersboardtl1000faqs.showMessage?topicID=7 9.topic Gary Foreman -----Original Message----- From: Motor PsychoL Danny [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 12:44 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: racers, more suzuki HP? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1865985159 Anyone race know of any racers trick to accomplish the same thing? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 2 18:23:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA2NNoO7012354; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:23:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA2NNnG8012344; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:23:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:23:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200211021823.AA46269000@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Subject: Re: Candytown Trials & School X-Mailer: Lotsa fun. Got my TL for $800, have about $1500 in it now to make it competitive (competitive in vintage trials, that is). For bikes for sale, see: http://www.potomacvintageriders.com http://www.ahrma-ma.org http://www.mavt.org :-) Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:02:11 EST >In a message dated 11/1/2002 11:17:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, >cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > >> warmed up on my TL125 > >You have a TL125? _neat!_ I would love to have one. Motocrossed a highly >modified SL125 for years, love that motor. >If I could afford one I would have one of the Honda Reflex TLR200 street >trials, rode one in NV at a dealer I worked for, neat bike, would be a lot of >fun around here. >Last time I watched a vintage trials I was ready to steal a bike, I wanted to >play so badly. >Gotta go slow before you can go fast! > > >John Walters (Long John) >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >Up near DC > >Honda ST1100X Pan European > (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European > is now necessary {and I still like it.}) >BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles >Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 2 19:28:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA30SRO7013430; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:28:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA30SRig013422; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:28:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021102192653.009ea120@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 19:28:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Final F-1 Report for dual-purpose moto/F-1 fans... In-Reply-To: <200211030000.gA3001Op012702@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed See http://www.xhost.org/JapanGP/ Regards, Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 2 20:42:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA31gIO7013922; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:42:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA31gHLx013914; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:42:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <012b01c282d8$e3c54ba0$077e5c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Force Ebay Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:32:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 An eye-opening stat came up in an Ebay:garage-to-IBM interview -- It now transfers a motorcycle every 18 minutes. "Sixteen . . Seventeen . . Eighteen/Done". Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > One of the better ways to leave. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 3 10:00:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA3F0HO7030011; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:00:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA3F0Gl2029998; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:00:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Bleeder on Sunday? Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:00:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c28349$b500b950$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop016.verizon.net from [141.156.252.71] at Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:00:06 -0600 Anyone have any idea where to get a bleeder valve today? I over tightened one and crushed it. It's a very small one that goes into a Goodridge master cylinder banjo bleeder. If I can't find one, no riding today :(. HELP! Thanks- Rob C From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 3 10:17:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA3FH2O7030109; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:17:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA3FH2Uw030102; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:17:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DC53F31.7E040107@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 10:22:25 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rm.curtis@XXXXXX CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Bleeder on Sunday? References: <000401c28349$b500b950$6401a8c0@cypher> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob Curtis wrote: > Anyone have any idea where to get a bleeder valve today? I over > tightened one and crushed it. It's a very small one that goes into a > Goodridge master cylinder banjo bleeder. If I can't find one, no riding > today :(. > HELP! Thanks- > > Rob C Auto parts - bleeders are fairly standard, take what's left of the damaged one for a positive match. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 3 10:24:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA3FOGO7030165; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:24:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA3FOFs7030157; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:24:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: "'William J. Huson'" Cc: "'DC-CYCLES'" Subject: RE: Bleeder on Sunday? Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:24:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c2834d$0eb37e80$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3DC53F31.7E040107@patriot.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop017.verizon.net from [141.156.252.71] at Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:24:05 -0600 I forgot cars have brakes. Good idea. Robby C. -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 10:22 To: rm.curtis@XXXXXX Cc: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Bleeder on Sunday? Rob Curtis wrote: > Anyone have any idea where to get a bleeder valve today? I over > tightened one and crushed it. It's a very small one that goes into a > Goodridge master cylinder banjo bleeder. If I can't find one, no riding > today :(. > HELP! Thanks- > > Rob C Auto parts - bleeders are fairly standard, take what's left of the damaged one for a positive match. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 3 10:44:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA3FiHO7030281; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:44:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA3FiGwX030274; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:44:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:44:10 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: Rob Curtis cc: "'DC-CYCLES'" Subject: RE: Bleeder on Sunday? In-Reply-To: <000b01c2834d$0eb37e80$6401a8c0@cypher> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 LOL. It's easy to forget that, sometimes. -ph On Sun, 3 Nov 2002, Rob Curtis wrote: > I forgot cars have brakes. Good idea. > > Robby C. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 3 18:12:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA3NCxO7032457; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:12:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA3NCwCZ032449; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:12:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 18:10:34 -0500 Subject: Demo rides From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit One of my favorite bikes to ride demos on is the Buell Blast. We have two of them. The handling is great--very responsive--low seat height--easy starting. The one slight draw back is the gearing. They are geared a bit too high making some of the low speed exercises a little tough. I try to put riders with a little experience on them. They also fit a fairly wide range of rider sizes. Great little bike. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 3 20:21:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA41LrO7001342; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:21:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA41Lqg8001331; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:21:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DC5CCF8.AAD3AEC6@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 20:27:20 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob McKeithen CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Demo rides References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob McKeithen wrote: > One of my favorite bikes to ride demos on is the Buell Blast. We have two of > them. The handling is great--very responsive--low seat height--easy > starting. The one slight draw back is the gearing. They are geared a bit too > high making some of the low speed exercises a little tough. I try to put > riders with a little experience on them. They also fit a fairly wide range > of rider sizes. Great little bike. > > Bob I seem to recall that H-D changed the final drive ratio on the Blasts they use in their rider program. Didn't get the details, both sprockets or just the output one. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 06:00:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4B0RO7004102; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:00:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4B0Qf1004095; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:00:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Wayne Edelen , Subject: Re: Kill the weathermen/women! Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:59:51 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211040559519D.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 01 November 2002 20:16, Wayne Edelen wrote: > Left the house around 11am today on my Busa. Checked the weather before I > left, clear and cool, high around 55 forecast for the DC Metro area. Got > on 15 south in Frederick heading down to Leesburg, then out to Reston to > meet some friends for lunch. > > As soon as I hit the road, it started to rain and the temps dropped. > Rained for 90% of the trip to lunch. > > Jumped on the toll road/beltway to head to Rockville to run some other > errands and was greeted with cool temps and light rain for the rest of the > day :-\ > > I really need to work on a solution to keep my chin/neck warm. I like > Bill's suggestion of velcroing some polartech to the bottom of the helmet. > I think I'll make that a project for the weekend :-) > I've been using a tightly woven thin scarf. I picked up one of the ski type masks (similar to what Bill and/or Carl mentioned) but I find my face shield fogs up much easier with it on. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 06:05:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4B5pO7004161; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:05:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4B5p3u004156; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:05:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kill the weathermen/women! Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:05:43 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211040605439E.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Saturday 02 November 2002 12:01, Rob Keiser wrote: > Wayne, > > I've had great success with one of those neoprene (?sp) ski masks that > cover from the nose down past the chin where your jacket might end. Fits > fine under the helmet and keeps that area nice and warm. Below > that...Gerbings, baby! > I picked up my Gerbings Saturday. Gloves and jacket liner. I got it set up last night and went for a test ride. They were quite warm. The only problem is that it blew the fuse at Food Lion (on Minnieville and Spriggs). When I got back on, I set it to 3/4 instead of full and it didn't feel warm. I got to the stoplight on Cardinal and noticed the light wasn't on. I haven't pulled the fuse yet (it was late) but I'll check it today. Any ideas? Possibly because of the sequence? It was turned on (don't know if it was working) when I plugged in the gloves. > Galyans, Ski Chalet, maybe even Modell's and Sports Authority. > I picked up my ski mask at Sports Authority. $19 bucks. > Rob > '98 VFR800 > Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 08:29:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4DTnO7004797; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:29:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4DTmO6004787; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:29:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Kill the weathermen/women! Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:18:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <0211040605439E.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Importance: Normal The trick to heated gear is that it has to be close to your skin. Too many layers between the heat and skin reduces the effectiveness greatly. How many layers did you have on?? What size fuse blew and where? LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:06 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kill the weathermen/women! On Saturday 02 November 2002 12:01, Rob Keiser wrote: > Wayne, > > I've had great success with one of those neoprene (?sp) ski masks that > cover from the nose down past the chin where your jacket might end. Fits > fine under the helmet and keeps that area nice and warm. Below > that...Gerbings, baby! > I picked up my Gerbings Saturday. Gloves and jacket liner. I got it set up last night and went for a test ride. They were quite warm. The only problem is that it blew the fuse at Food Lion (on Minnieville and Spriggs). When I got back on, I set it to 3/4 instead of full and it didn't feel warm. I got to the stoplight on Cardinal and noticed the light wasn't on. I haven't pulled the fuse yet (it was late) but I'll check it today. Any ideas? Possibly because of the sequence? It was turned on (don't know if it was working) when I plugged in the gloves. > Galyans, Ski Chalet, maybe even Modell's and Sports Authority. > I picked up my ski mask at Sports Authority. $19 bucks. > Rob > '98 VFR800 > Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 08:33:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4DXdO7004851; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:33:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4DXctj004843; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:33:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: Kill the weathermen/women! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: Kevin_Hawkins@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:30:39 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ITXF2ALN09/InternetMail(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 11/04/2002 08:32:24 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When it comes to cold weather riding, along my electrics I consider this to be one of the most important additions to my gear. http://www.motorcycleville.com/Noj_Quiet_Rider_Deluxe_5439.html When used with a Fog City Fog shield, it creates a nice warm environment for your head. Kevin Hawkins kevin_hawkins@XXXXXX http://www.kevinhawk.com Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 //'93 Yamaha GTS1000 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Wayne Edelen spoke: I really need to work on a solution to keep my chin/neck warm. I like Bill's suggestion of velcroing some polartech to the bottom of the helmet. I think I'll make that a project for the weekend :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 08:45:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4Dj0O7004959; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:45:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4Dixh1004949; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:44:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Kill the weathermen/women! Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:33:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal We sell some items that might help. Check out http://www.adventuremotogear.com/bikers.htm LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com Wayne Edelen said: I really need to work on a solution to keep my chin/neck warm. I like Bill's suggestion of velcroing some polartech to the bottom of the helmet. I think I'll make that a project for the weekend :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 08:48:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4DmgO7005003; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:48:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4DmfNE004993; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:48:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: Kill the weathermen/women! Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:48:34 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211040848349L.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 04 November 2002 08:18, LindaT. wrote: > The trick to heated gear is that it has to be close to your skin. Too many > layers between the heat and skin reduces the effectiveness greatly. How > many layers did you have on?? > I had a long sleeved flannel shirt on, then the jacket liner. The leather jacket and orange vest was over the top of the liner. No liner for the gloves. > What size fuse blew and where? > The inline 15 amp fuse. I planned on hitting the Gerbing site to see if there was a FAQ. I have a second fuse that I can use but I also want to figure out why it blew. The tabs that are screwed to the battery terminals were sitting higher than I liked but the seat didn't seem to touch them when I put it back on the bike. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 09:42:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4EgeO7005390; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:42:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4EgcRj005380; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:42:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008b01c28410$829bffc0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Schelin" , "DC-CYCLES" References: <0211040848349L.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Kill the weathermen/women! Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:42:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Carl, I run the Gerbing jacket liner, gloves and socks via the 20-amp max. fused pigtail from Gerbing. No problems here through two winter riding seasons. Are you using the Heat-troller? Could be there's a short or defect somewhere in one of the garments or the Heat-troller. You might what to take all it back to Mike Vlahos (you did buy it from Mike didn't you?) and have it tested. This is from web site. Jacket liner (77 W) + gloves (22 W) + socks (22W) = 121/12 = ~10 amps at full tilt. (Actually a bit less than 10 amps since your alternator should put out 13-14 V at full honk.) Under normal usage you shouldn't be blowing fuses. Seconding what Linda said, I wear a light cotton long-sleeve t-shirt or silk winter undies (or a dress shirt for work) under the jacket liner. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" To: "DC-CYCLES" Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:48 AM Subject: Re: Kill the weathermen/women! > On Monday 04 November 2002 08:18, LindaT. wrote: > > The trick to heated gear is that it has to be close to your skin. Too many > > layers between the heat and skin reduces the effectiveness greatly. How > > many layers did you have on?? > > > > I had a long sleeved flannel shirt on, then the jacket liner. The leather > jacket and orange vest was over the top of the liner. > > No liner for the gloves. > > > What size fuse blew and where? > > > > The inline 15 amp fuse. I planned on hitting the Gerbing site to see if there > was a FAQ. > > I have a second fuse that I can use but I also want to figure out why it > blew. The tabs that are screwed to the battery terminals were sitting higher > than I liked but the seat didn't seem to touch them when I put it back on the > bike. > > Carl > > -- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 11:11:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4GBdO7006244; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:11:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4GBc4g006234; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:11:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:13:22 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SPAM FS:Jeep Wrangler Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I need to make room in the garage, so I'm selling my Wrangler. The Details: 1997 Wrangler Sport Hardtop Forest Green with Tan Top 4.0L Inline 6/5spd Manual with Dana 44 and 3.55 gearing Cloth Interior-Spice Color Scheme AM-FM Radio A/C 15x7 Grizzly Wheels Factory Center Console AM/FM Radio Mileage ~8k yep, 8xxx miles. Only mods are KC Daylighters and a Draw-Tite Hitch. I ordered this in March of 97 and it was deliverd in late may I think. The only problem is a cracked winshield, otherwise its mint. Its been garaged its entire life, never offroad. Never spent a nite outside in the rain. Never really drove it a lot, towed the Jet Ski to the lake a couple of times, drove it to work every once in a while, pretty much its been a garage queen. I'm asking $12500, which is 1/2 way between NADA retail and trade-in. Dan -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 11:21:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4GLaO7006326; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:21:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4GLZql006316; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:21:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000b01c2841e$8b861220$d961b141@roypc> Reply-To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: Subject: Porsche Fans? (Off Topic) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:23:42 -0500 Organization: CF&O MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 I finally purchased a new toy to use when the weather gets too cold to ride my FZ1. Specifically, I am the proud new owner of a restored 1973 Porsche 911T Targa. Does anyone know of a local qualified mechanic who has experience with older vintages like mine. Are there any other Porsche owners out there? Roy D. Turner, Esq. www.cfolaw.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 11:29:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4GTjO7006378; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:29:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4GTjHJ006370; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:29:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:29:42 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Paying tolls Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Rode up to Philadelphia on Saturday evening, then back home last night. This was my first ride of over 50 miles. Yow! It's cooold out there. I was very glad I'd borrowed a Widder vest from Matt Patton preparatory to buying it, because I was pretty dern chilly even with it cranked up to turkey-roasting levels. (Actually, on the way home I must not have made the connection at the vest quite tight enough, because I was feeling pain in my abdomen, and now there are two little burn marks there where the short-circuit must have run. Oops.) Anyway, on to the question: How do you all deal with paying tolls? I ended up spending a lot of time at the tollbooth taking off gloves, dragging out wallets, paying, getting receipts, etc... which tended to irritate the cagers behind me. Hmm. Is there a better way? Strap different toll amounts ($1 Harbor Tunnel, $4 MD tollroad, $2 DE tollroad) to the tank, then yank them off when you get to the booth? Other lessons learned: I need better gloves, and a balaclava, no doubt about it. Bought some thinsulate gloves and a scarf from Maryland House on my way back, but the scarf wouldn't stay put, and the extra gloves made it really hard to move my hands, and the hands still got cold. Hmm. Also, better boots wouldn't hurt, but I'm getting a mite tired of shipping things back and forth to New Enough. Any PG-county shops that sell Sidis? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 11:30:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4GUGO7006416; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:30:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4GUGp6006411; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:30:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021104163008.50692.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:30:08 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: SPAM FS:Jeep Wrangler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Why own it then? Glenn --- dan wrote: never offroad. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 11:38:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4GcYO7006583; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:38:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4GcXhk006567; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:38:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021104163831.17717.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:38:31 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Paying tolls To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My normal M.O. (aside from when my Smart Tag thingy is valid) is to pull over on the shoulder just before the toll plaza, get out my money, and then proceed to the toll plaza with the money jammed between a couple of fingers or between hand and grip. I usually prefer to pay in dollar bills even when I have correct change because the bills are easier to handle. Toss the change in a tank bag or just pay for the guy behind you and play motorcycle goodwill ambassador. Chris Weaver --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Rode up to Philadelphia on Saturday evening, then > back home last > night. This was my first ride of over 50 miles. Yow! > It's cooold out > there. I was very glad I'd borrowed a Widder vest > from Matt Patton > preparatory to buying it, because I was pretty dern > chilly even with it > cranked up to turkey-roasting levels. (Actually, on > the way home I must > not have made the connection at the vest quite tight > enough, because I was > feeling pain in my abdomen, and now there are two > little burn marks there > where the short-circuit must have run. Oops.) > > Anyway, on to the question: How do you all deal with > paying tolls? I ended > up spending a lot of time at the tollbooth taking > off gloves, dragging out > wallets, paying, getting receipts, etc... which > tended to irritate the > cagers behind me. Hmm. Is there a better way? Strap > different toll amounts > ($1 Harbor Tunnel, $4 MD tollroad, $2 DE tollroad) > to the tank, then yank > them off when you get to the booth? > > Other lessons learned: I need better gloves, and a > balaclava, no doubt > about it. Bought some thinsulate gloves and a scarf > from Maryland House on > my way back, but the scarf wouldn't stay put, and > the extra gloves made it > really hard to move my hands, and the hands still > got cold. Hmm. Also, > better boots wouldn't hurt, but I'm getting a mite > tired of shipping > things back and forth to New Enough. Any PG-county > shops that sell Sidis? > > Fish. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 11:47:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4GltO7006692; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:47:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4Gltqk006684; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:47:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:49:39 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SPAM FS:Jeep Wrangler In-Reply-To: <20021104163008.50692.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Made a good tow vehicle for boat ramps covered in moss. Used it a couple of times in the snow (they don't plow much in NC), cause I liked being able to take the top and doors off. My previous Wrangler and CJ spent extensive time off-road. There is no quicker way to turn a nice vehicle into a total POS than going off road, unless you are being a pussy about it and just staying on dirt roads. I also have Tundra 4x4, BUT mainly because I could afford to buy it and do whatever the hell I wanted with it. Dan On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Why own it then? > > Glenn > > --- dan wrote: > > never offroad. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 11:47:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4GlvO7006720; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:47:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4GlvWU006715; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:47:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: Porsche Fans? (Off Topic) From: Brian Roach To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000b01c2841e$8b861220$d961b141@roypc> References: <000b01c2841e$8b861220$d961b141@roypc> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 04 Nov 2002 11:47:49 -0500 Message-Id: <1036428469.20642.453.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Intersport in Tyson's corner. They're in the strip mall that sits between Tyco Road and Spring Hill about 1/4 mile off rt. 7. They are a Porsche performance shop, and are great to deal with. They do everything from vintage (I have a '67) to SCCA and 24hr race cars. Charlie is a great mechanic and has been wrenching on Porsches for 20 years. If you happen to go by, tell Omar (the owner) I sent ya... it prob won't improve my bill in any way, but karma points are always good :) - Roach On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 11:23, Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote: > I finally purchased a new toy to use when the weather gets too cold to ride > my FZ1. Specifically, I am the proud new owner of a restored 1973 Porsche > 911T Targa. Does anyone know of a local qualified mechanic who has > experience with older vintages like mine. Are there any other Porsche > owners out there? > > Roy D. Turner, Esq. > www.cfolaw.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 11:49:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4GnjO7006765; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:49:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4Gnj51006755; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:49:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005b01c28422$4277d7e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Paying tolls Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:48:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Three syllables - E Z Pass. You even get a discount in Delaware for using it: $1.25 as opposed to $2.00. Clinton Cycles carries Sidis, no? Automated toll collection is the biker's friend. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:29 AM Subject: Paying tolls > Anyway, on to the question: How do you all deal with paying tolls? I ended > up spending a lot of time at the tollbooth taking off gloves, dragging out > wallets, paying, getting receipts, etc... which tended to irritate the > cagers behind me. ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 11:56:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4GukO7006840; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:56:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4GukSi006832; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:56:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021104165639.26009.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:56:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Paying tolls To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Anyway, on to the question: How do you all deal with paying tolls? I ended > up spending a lot of time at the tollbooth taking off gloves, dragging out > wallets, paying, getting receipts, etc... which tended to irritate the > cagers behind me. Hmm. Is there a better way? Strap different toll amounts > ($1 Harbor Tunnel, $4 MD tollroad, $2 DE tollroad) to the tank, then yank > them off when you get to the booth? I use an EZ-Pass so I never even have to stop when going up to NY or CT. It works at all of the tolls that you mention. Back in the days before EZPass though, I would get a stack of good $1 bills (the stiff almost new ones, not older ones that are harder to handle) and put those in my sleeve pocket. If I was doing a road that had a bunch of coin tolls (like the Garden State Parkway) I would put a bunch of quarters and dimes in an empty 35 mm film container, and hand it to the toll attendant at each toll. Each time, they would open it up, show me that they took 35 cents, then hand it back to me. Worked out pretty well. If I did a toll road that used a "ticket" system, I usually stopped at a rest stop on the way. I'd take a paperclip, and attach exact change to the ticket, and hand the whole thing to the toll taker. Still, EZ-Pass rules. Some places (DE, NY Bridges) even have discounts for using the EZ Pass, and additional discounts for motorcycles that are automatically taken with the EZ-Pass. Louis __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 11:58:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4GwGO7006893; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:58:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4GwGsl006885; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:58:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Paying tolls Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:58:07 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211041158079M.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 04 November 2002 11:29, Fish Flowers wrote: > Anyway, on to the question: How do you all deal with paying tolls? I ended > up spending a lot of time at the tollbooth taking off gloves, dragging out > wallets, paying, getting receipts, etc... which tended to irritate the > cagers behind me. Hmm. Is there a better way? Strap different toll amounts > ($1 Harbor Tunnel, $4 MD tollroad, $2 DE tollroad) to the tank, then yank > them off when you get to the booth? > When I was down in Florida I just did what I had to do. Pull off gloves, get money out, give money, put wallet away, put gloves back on. The cagers found out that they shouldn't come behind me at a booth. After the second booth, I kept the wallet in the tank bag for easy access. > Other lessons learned: I need better gloves, and a balaclava, no doubt > about it. Bought some thinsulate gloves and a scarf from Maryland House on > my way back, but the scarf wouldn't stay put, and the extra gloves made it > really hard to move my hands, and the hands still got cold. Hmm. Also, > better boots wouldn't hurt, but I'm getting a mite tired of shipping > things back and forth to New Enough. Any PG-county shops that sell Sidis? > I start with one end of the scarf, run it behind my neck, straighten it out and put it on my chin, run the free end around my neck again (so I have two short ends tucked in my jacket) and then cinch the helmet strap over the scarf. If you don't have a full face helmet then you should get the ski mask type. I'm thinking it works better with the 3/4 helmet instead of the full face. > Fish. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 12:00:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4H0eO7006993; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:00:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4H0cun006981; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:00:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021104165926.37039.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:59:26 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Paying tolls To: Paul Wilson , Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <005b01c28422$4277d7e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Automated toll collection is the biker's friend. I disagree. Bikes shouldn't be charged a toll. We don't cause near the wear on the roads that other vehicles do. We already pay at least our fair share through the fuel tax. Leon. EX250 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 12:01:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4H1HO7007044; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:01:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4H1HFU007038; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:01:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:01:10 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: Paul Wilson cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Paying tolls In-Reply-To: <005b01c28422$4277d7e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > Three syllables - E Z Pass. You even get a discount in Delaware for > using it: $1.25 as opposed to $2.00. Hmm. No windshield to attach it to, though. (I carry and use EZPass in my cage -- could I use the same unit on the motorcycle, if I could figure out a way to attach it?) > Clinton Cycles carries Sidis, no? Dunno. Where is it? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 12:06:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4H6ZO7007474; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:06:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4H6ZVU007464; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:06:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DC6A8B9.A966DCE6@tasam.com> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 12:04:57 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Paying tolls References: <20021104165639.26009.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > > Anyway, on to the question: How do you all deal with paying tolls? I ended > > up spending a lot of time at the tollbooth taking off gloves, dragging out > > wallets, paying, getting receipts, etc... which tended to irritate the > > cagers behind me. Hmm. Is there a better way? Strap different toll amounts > > ($1 Harbor Tunnel, $4 MD tollroad, $2 DE tollroad) to the tank, then yank > > them off when you get to the booth? > > I use an EZ-Pass so I never even have to stop when going up to NY or CT. It > works at all of the tolls that you mention. [snip] does the ez-pass I use on the Dulles toll road work on those tolls? Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 12:15:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4HFZO7007670; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:15:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4HFXfi007658; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:15:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:20:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Paying tolls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > > Anyway, on to the question: How do you all deal with paying tolls? I ended I found that putting some dollar bills right inside my tank bag worked pretty well. If they're right in front, I can get to them quickly, without removing gloves. Any change gets dumped back in the same spot. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 12:18:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4HIJO7007829; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:18:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4HIJXH007822; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:18:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:23:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Paying tolls In-Reply-To: <3DC6A8B9.A966DCE6@tasam.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Skip Smith wrote: > > > does the ez-pass I use on the Dulles toll road work on those tolls? > > No. (goddamndullestollroaduselessgrrrrrr) -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 12:21:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4HL8O7007880; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:21:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4HL8XZ007872; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:21:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021104172106.81630.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:21:06 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Paying tolls To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Do you have a tank bag? Mine works fine if I put the pass in the map pocket and slide it up front. Glenn --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Hmm. No windshield to attach it to, though. (I carry > and use EZPass in my > cage -- could I use the same unit on the motorcycle, > if I could figure out > a way to attach it?) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 12:21:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4HLRO7007910; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:21:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4HLRwh007904; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:21:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021104172120.9990.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:21:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Paying tolls To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <3DC6A8B9.A966DCE6@tasam.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > does the ez-pass I use on the Dulles toll road work on those tolls? Unfortunately the VA authorities felt it was not benefitial to join the EZ Pass Consortium. They felt that those using the pass on the Dulles Toll Road, in Richmond, and in (I think) Norfolk were mostly communters. The EZPass is more for people who are traveling more. I can't say that I agree with them. Ah well. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 12:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4HNdO7007956; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:23:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4HNdrv007948; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:23:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021104172332.10471.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:23:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Paying tolls To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Three syllables - E Z Pass. You even get a discount in Delaware for > > using it: $1.25 as opposed to $2.00. > > Hmm. No windshield to attach it to, though. (I carry and use EZPass in my > cage -- could I use the same unit on the motorcycle, if I could figure out > a way to attach it?) First off, don't use the same unit, you can request a second unit programmed for a motorcycle (this way it recognizes your "shape" and you get moto-discounts when applicable). Secondly, you don't need a windshield. People have put them in various locations. I have a lockable glove box on my Connie, and put the EZPass under the cover, it works fine there. Others put them in their tank bag's map pocket. Some put them in their jackets, facing out. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 12:29:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4HTMO7008010; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:29:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4HTL3v008000; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:29:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:29:19 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Paying tolls In-Reply-To: <20021104172332.10471.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Okay, it sounds like EZ-Pass is the way to go. If I end up doing much more riding on those roads I'll have to order a motorcycle unit. (And a tankbag to put it in... no windshield, no tankbag, no outer jacket pockets, no saddlebags... I like to call it "no-frills" riding, but basically it's just "no-money-for-neat-toys" riding. ) At least I have a train ticket back to Philly for this evening, so I don't have to freeze my butt off again. Not sure I could take the ride three days in a row, especially as I seem to be getting sick. Blah. Fish. perfect timing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 12:32:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4HWYO7008054; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:32:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4HWXIP008045; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:32:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Paying tolls Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:32:26 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211041232269Q.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 04 November 2002 12:29, Fish Flowers wrote: > > At least I have a train ticket back to Philly for this evening, so I don't > have to freeze my butt off again. Not sure I could take the ride three > days in a row, especially as I seem to be getting sick. Blah. > Then you should definately take the ride again. Don't you know that riding the bike kills the germs? > Fish. > perfect timing Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 12:34:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4HYQO7008095; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:34:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4HYQWj008090; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:34:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <6851CF14DA5455469A22AAFB019EAB360624AF@gothic.answerlogic.com> From: Han Park To: "'Brian Roach'" , "Roy D. Turner, Esq." Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Porsche Fans? (Off Topic) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:34:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain I've used ASG in Merrifield and RPM in Springfield. ASG is more expensive in my experience, but they are very thorough and customer focused. Personally I would go with RPM because I think they offer the best value/price ratio. Both shops have experience with race cars and street cars. ASG actually builds a few 911's which run in the ALMS I believe (well they were in this year's DC race). Go to the monthly PCA meetings if you'd like to meet other Porsche owners and get opinions. han > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:48 AM > To: Roy D. Turner, Esq. > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Porsche Fans? (Off Topic) > > > Intersport in Tyson's corner. They're in the strip mall that sits > between Tyco Road and Spring Hill about 1/4 mile off rt. 7. They are a > Porsche performance shop, and are great to deal with. They do > everything > from vintage (I have a '67) to SCCA and 24hr race cars. Charlie is a > great mechanic and has been wrenching on Porsches for 20 years. > > If you happen to go by, tell Omar (the owner) I sent ya... it > prob won't > improve my bill in any way, but karma points are always good :) > > - Roach > > > > On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 11:23, Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote: > > I finally purchased a new toy to use when the weather gets > too cold to ride > > my FZ1. Specifically, I am the proud new owner of a > restored 1973 Porsche > > 911T Targa. Does anyone know of a local qualified mechanic who has > > experience with older vintages like mine. Are there any > other Porsche > > owners out there? > > > > Roy D. Turner, Esq. > > www.cfolaw.com > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 12:43:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4Hh5O7008187; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:43:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4Hh4Ki008176; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:43:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004101c28429$b8367f20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Leon Begeman" , "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: <20021104165926.37039.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Paying tolls Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:15:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Well, maybe in an ideal world, but as long as we have to pay tolls, EZ Pass is the way to go. From what I understand, Maryland offers a handlebar mount. I have mine on the windshield. It is kind of a pain to have to carry two transponders and swap them out, one for VA and one for everywhere else. Hellooooo, VDOT??? You can beat the system sometimes. The detector loops won't pick up a vehicle if you ride left or right in the lane and you ride free. I did get yelled at in NJ for riding through a lane with a non-functional EZ Pass transmitter. Ooops. I was following my non-EZ Pass equipped riding companions and ass-u-med I could use the same lane. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Begeman" > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > Automated toll collection is the biker's friend. > > I disagree. Bikes shouldn't be charged a toll. We > don't cause near the wear on the roads that other > vehicles do. We already pay at least our fair share > through the fuel tax. > > Leon. > EX250 > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 12:43:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4Hh6O7008207; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:43:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4Hh6Cu008203; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:43:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004201c28429$b93b6c00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" Cc: "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Paying tolls Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:30:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Fish, Clinton Cycles, off Rt. 5, down near Andrews AFB. www.clintoncycles.com Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" > > > Clinton Cycles carries Sidis, no? > > Dunno. Where is it? > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 15:30:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4KUYO7009516; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:30:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4KUXLK009509; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:30:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: ready for an insurance increase... Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:30:12 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <009601c28440$fa0414a0$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 http://www.speedtv.com/motorcycle/?lvl=3a&cat=32&id=4063 talk about attracting morons... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 15:37:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4KbhO7009576; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:37:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4KbgEH009568; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:37:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021104203735.81409.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:37:35 -0800 (PST) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: ready for an insurance increase... To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <009601c28440$fa0414a0$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This looks like it's the Fast and the Furious on two wheels! Nick --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > http://www.speedtv.com/motorcycle/?lvl=3a&cat=32&id=4063 > > talk about attracting morons... > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 15:41:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4KfsO7009645; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:41:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4Kfrha009637; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:41:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: ready for an insurance increase... Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:41:31 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <009701c28442$8fb3d2f0$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <20021104203735.81409.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> Yep and its going to attract the same people. Step 1: Watch movie Step 2: Buy big bike Step 3: Do what they do in movie Step 4: Wreck bike Step 5: Claim insurance Step 6: Never buy bike again because they are dangerous Step 7: Insurance companies drop everyone... > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:sfdaytona@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:38 PM > To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: ready for an insurance increase... > > > This looks like it's the Fast and the Furious on two > wheels! > > > Nick > --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > http://www.speedtv.com/motorcycle/?lvl=3a&cat=32&id=4063 > > > > talk about attracting morons... > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 15:54:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4KsZO7009740; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:54:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4KsYUZ009732; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:54:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021104205432.50033.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:54:32 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: ready for an insurance increase... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <009701c28442$8fb3d2f0$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes, but after this movie there will be no need for insurance! Imagine the drop in spare parts prices. You'll be able to build an entire motorcycle out of spares for less than the cost of new! :^) Of course, the theft rate for motorcycles will skyrocket during phases 2-4 in Jim's scenario. :^( Time to invest in a house with a garage. Chris Weaver --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > Yep and its going to attract the same people. > > Step 1: Watch movie > Step 2: Buy big bike > Step 3: Do what they do in movie > Step 4: Wreck bike > Step 5: Claim insurance > Step 6: Never buy bike again because they are > dangerous > Step 7: Insurance companies drop everyone... > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 16:14:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4LE0O7009933; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:14:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4LE0eS009925; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:14:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: ready for an insurance increase... Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:14:00 -0600 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A641962307C8BE98@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: ready for an insurance increase... Thread-Index: AcKERxDfdwVzd+/wRmit/m9B5PHV/g== From: To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gA4LDwO7009908 Just what we need, Hollywood doing it's part to enhance the negative stereotype of the sportbike rider.. George (Smoke) Cole >>> Jim McGonigle 11/04/02 03:30PM >>> http://www.speedtv.com/motorcycle/?lvl=3a&cat=32&id=4063 talk about attracting morons... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 16:15:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4LFvO7009981; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:15:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4LFvqZ009976; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:15:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021104211555.25201.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:15:55 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: ready for an insurance increase... To: Nicholas Thompson , jmcgonigle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021104203735.81409.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii it's made by the same guys; there's another moto movie coming out next year as well, according to Iron Works mag; 2 in one year; 'bout time; --- Nicholas Thompson wrote: > This looks like it's the Fast and the Furious on two > wheels! > > > Nick > --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > http://www.speedtv.com/motorcycle/?lvl=3a&cat=32&id=4063 > > > > talk about attracting morons... > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 16:20:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4LKhO7010052; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:20:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4LKhtM010042; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:20:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DC6E5ED.37CE0332@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:26:05 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Porsche Fans? (Off Topic) References: <000b01c2841e$8b861220$d961b141@roypc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Roy D. Turner, Esq." wrote: > I finally purchased a new toy to use when the weather gets too cold to ride > my FZ1. Specifically, I am the proud new owner of a restored 1973 Porsche > 911T Targa. Does anyone know of a local qualified mechanic who has > experience with older vintages like mine. Are there any other Porsche > owners out there? Omar the Porsche Mechanic, Vienna VA. I've forgotten what his shop name is, reckon I could look it up. Not cheap but he does good work and IMHO is honest. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 16:25:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4LPbO7010117; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:25:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4LPb5Q010109; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:25:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021104162507.02039e88@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:25:26 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: ready for an insurance increase... In-Reply-To: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A641962307C8BE98@nt-hqexbh1.boiseo ffice.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.speedtv.com/_assets/img/photo/L_4063_1.jpg Think I'm gonna hurl.... At 04:14 PM 11/4/2002, George.Cole@XXXXXX wrote: > >>> Jim McGonigle 11/04/02 03:30PM >>> >http://www.speedtv.com/motorcycle/?lvl=3a&cat=32&id=4063 > >talk about attracting morons... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 16:29:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4LTjO7010176; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:29:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4LTjTN010166; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:29:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:31:13 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: George.Cole@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ready for an insurance increase... In-Reply-To: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A641962307C8BE98@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Just what we need, Hollywood doing it's part to enhance the negative > stereotype of the sportbike rider.. > > George (Smoke) Cole > Smoke, It didn't need any help from Hollywood. It been cultivated for a VERY long time, the general public views sportbike riders as lunatics. Always has, always will. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 16:33:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4LXBO7010244; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:33:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4LX9dW010234; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:33:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DC6E8DD.1BB01C17@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:38:37 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Paying tolls References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > Anyway, on to the question: How do you all deal with paying tolls? I ended > up spending a lot of time at the tollbooth taking off gloves, dragging out > wallets, paying, getting receipts, etc... which tended to irritate the > cagers behind me. Hmm. Is there a better way? Strap different toll amounts > ($1 Harbor Tunnel, $4 MD tollroad, $2 DE tollroad) to the tank, then yank > them off when you get to the booth? > I deal with tolls by paying them. Usually stuff folding money in a pocket and return the change if any to the same pocket. Sometimes I feel the need to remove glove(s). Or park the bike to retrieve dropped cash. Like what's the rush? If they want the damn money they'll have to deal with old slow me. Pissed cagers? Well, I'd have to *care* to be concerned about their stress level. Bottom line, scoots should be able to blow thru toll booths for FREE! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 16:36:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4LaPO7010290; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:36:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4LaPUE010282; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:36:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021104163224.020f8a68@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:36:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: sportbike movie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm not bothered so much by the looks I'll get for a few months after this stupid movie is released. I'll be bothered more by the flood of new sportbikers into the market that emulate and perpetuate the movie stereotype. It probably won't be long before we are blocked from riding 211 (weekend casualty rate has been steadily rising) or Skyline / BRP (I have to image the passing on double-yellow complaint file is huge). Ride it while we can. On the upside prices may drop when the market widens. And there will be a flood of good bikes with damaged plastics available super cheap.....sounds like a future rat bike to me..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 16:39:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4LduO7010342; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:39:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4LdtsA010327; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:39:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021104163911.00b7ff28@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:39:50 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: sportbike movie In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.5.0.20021104163224.020f8a68@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:36 PM 11/4/2002, Troutman wrote: >I'm not bothered so much by the looks I'll get for a few months after this >stupid movie is released. I'll be bothered more by the flood of new >sportbikers into the market that emulate and perpetuate the movie >stereotype. It probably won't be long before we are blocked from riding >211 (weekend casualty rate has been steadily rising) or Skyline / BRP (I >have to image the passing on double-yellow complaint file is huge). Ride >it while we can. > >On the upside prices may drop when the market widens. And there will be a >flood of good bikes with damaged plastics available super cheap.....sounds >like a future rat bike to me..... good god...the Harley phenomenon has finally struck sport bikes.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 17:12:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4MCpO7010577; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:12:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4MCos4010569; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:12:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:14:34 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sportbike movie In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.5.0.20021104163224.020f8a68@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > stereotype. It probably won't be long before we are blocked from riding > 211 (weekend casualty rate has been steadily rising) or Skyline / BRP (I > have to image the passing on double-yellow complaint file is huge). Ride > it while we can. > Blocked from riding 211? I don't see how they could exclude bikes, the easiest option is to drop the speed limit to 30, wouldn't affect any of the cages, but make it nice and easy to setup speed trap. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 17:31:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4MVIO7010721; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:31:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4MVISs010711; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:31:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:45:03 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Paying tolls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > > Clinton Cycles carries Sidis, no? > > Dunno. Where is it? I got my Sidi Onroad Sympatex boots at Battley Cycles when they were having an open house. Same price as NewEnough.com. http://www.battley.com Killer boots. I've used them for street, dragstrip and road course use. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 17:33:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4MXiO7010766; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:33:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4MXiOZ010756; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:33:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003201c28452$5069f060$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dan" , "Troutman" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: sportbike movie Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:33:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Doesn't US129, aka Deal's Gap, have a very low speed limit? 35? If the intention is to curb the squidly antics, it's not working. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan" > > stereotype. It probably won't be long before we are blocked from riding > > 211 (weekend casualty rate has been steadily rising) or Skyline / BRP (I > > have to image the passing on double-yellow complaint file is huge). Ride > > it while we can. > > > > Blocked from riding 211? I don't see how they could exclude bikes, the > easiest option is to drop the speed limit to 30, wouldn't affect any of > the cages, but make it nice and easy to setup speed trap. > > Dan > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 17:42:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4MgqO7010845; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:42:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4MgprI010837; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:42:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:44:34 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Paul Wilson cc: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: sportbike movie In-Reply-To: <003201c28452$5069f060$bb82fea9@palladio1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > Doesn't US129, aka Deal's Gap, have a very low speed limit? 35? If the > intention is to curb the squidly antics, it's not working. > Its gone down to 30. Main problem there is they can't seem to enforce it. They keep writing tickets for drag racing and other infractions. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 18:10:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4NAQO7011038; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:10:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4NAPAN011028; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:10:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:24:02 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Paying tolls In-Reply-To: <3DC6E8DD.1BB01C17@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, William J. Huson wrote: > I deal with tolls by paying them. Usually stuff folding money in a pocket and > return the change if any to the same pocket. Sometimes I feel the need to > remove glove(s). Or park the bike to retrieve dropped cash. Like what's the > rush? If they want the damn money they'll have to deal with old slow me. If wearing my textiles, I use the thigh pocket for money. I can generally get the money in and out without removing my gloves. If wearing my leathers, I'll stack the tolls under the strap on the back of the gloves. > Pissed cagers? Well, I'd have to *care* to be concerned about their stress > level. I'm with you, Bill. Bikers can get away from the tolls so quickly, it never matters what's behind you (unless it's a LEO ;-). -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 18:24:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4NOLO7011145; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:24:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4NOKpW011138; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:24:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021104232412.37619.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:24:12 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: sportbike movie To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii how will movies such as this affect us (riders) negatively? publicity for motorcycles and motorcycling, good or bad, is generally a good thing. more publicity means more riders. the more riders (especially those who vote), the more favorable the traffic laws to riders. has danny motorpsychol's squiddly behavior affected anybody here? or has it just affected danny? just danny. do the nighttime car dragstips held on local streets affect your typical car driver? of course not. will there suddenly appear million$ in enforcement dollars to deal with an isolated problem (if one even develops)? no. there simply ain't enough money to fight that losing battle. after all, how do you stop a squid from running without killing him? i know most of you guys are going a little stir crazy with the cold fucking weather.... but let's start worrying about all of this when there's a reason to. even then, we've still got west virginia. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 18:29:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4NT3O7011232; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:29:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4NT3u8011224; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:29:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021104182602.016a9008@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 18:28:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: sportbike movie In-Reply-To: <20021104232412.37619.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:24 PM 11/4/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >how will movies such as this affect us (riders) negatively? > publicity for motorcycles and motorcycling, good or bad, >is generally a good thing. more publicity means more >riders. the more riders (especially those who vote), the >more favorable the traffic laws to riders. you're absolutely right...I'm mean gangsta rap and drug movies didn't get kids acting that way. ;-) >has danny motorpsychol's squiddly behavior affected anybody >here? or has it just affected danny? just danny. only until he kills one of us. >do the nighttime car dragstips held on local streets affect >your typical car driver? of course not. bull...try crossing my neighborhood street just about any summer night. >will there suddenly appear million$ in enforcement dollars >to deal with an isolated problem (if one even develops)? >no. there simply ain't enough money to fight that losing >battle. after all, how do you stop a squid from running >without killing him? My god..the public over react? Heaven forbid! That would NEVER happen! >i know most of you guys are going a little stir crazy with >the cold fucking weather.... but let's start worrying about >all of this when there's a reason to. anything that gives motorcycling a bad image isn't good. This movie is not giving motorcycling the type of image we need or want. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 18:31:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4NVQO7011323; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:31:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4NVPfR011315; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:31:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:33:08 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sportbike movie In-Reply-To: <20021104232412.37619.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > i know most of you guys are going a little stir crazy with > the cold fucking weather.... but let's start worrying about > all of this when there's a reason to. Lets not forget what the biker movies of the 50's did. > > even then, we've still got west virginia. SHHHH... everyone unfamiliar with WV, its a horrible place, bad roads, straight and lots of pot holes, it crawling with police that hate bikers, rude people everywhere, horrible scenery, trash everywhere, people in mullets dirving like they belong in a Nascar race, bad food... the list goes on and on. Take my advice stay away! Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 18:48:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA4NmnO7011524; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:48:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA4Nmmj0011514; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:48:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 4 Nov 2002 23:49:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20021104234952.28381.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sportbike movie X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Gimer & Marion Barry were sitting around in Gimer's office, and in between hits on the crack pipe, Gimer typed: how will movies such as this affect us (riders) negatively? [Dave] Uh... Is this a trick question? publicity for motorcycles and motorcycling, good or bad, is generally a good thing. more publicity means more riders. the more riders (especially those who vote), the more favorable the traffic laws to riders. [Dave] Not this kind of publicity. Inevitably, some half-wit reporter is going to "investigate" the motorcycle street racing scene, and we'll end up with a bigger, more powerful version of Operation 'road rocket' (remember that fiasco?)... has danny motorpsychol's squiddly behavior affected anybody here? or has it just affected danny? just danny. do the nighttime car dragstips held on local streets affect your typical car driver? of course not. [Dave] but it DOES affect your average high performance car driver in the way ... "increased attention" from traffic cops. will there suddenly appear million$ in enforcement dollars to deal with an isolated problem (if one even develops)? no. [Dave] Again, remember operation 'road rocket' - a campaign solely targeted against motorcyclists. That wasn't brought on by a movie, but remember 'Fast & furious' media outcry? Think there wasn't increased attention to street racing after that came out ? there simply ain't enough money to fight that losing battle. [Dave] For stupidly enacted enforcement, like O.R.R courtesey of the MSP, you're correct. It costs thousands / hour to keep a chopper airborne, making it nearly impossible to be profitable, even with outrageous MA level traffic fines. OTOH, VA jurisdictions maintain profitability by doing 'targeted enforcement campaigns' against speeding along notoriously underposted sections of roads, construction zones and the 'usual suspect' roads - Rt1, FFX co. Pkway, etc... These campaigns rake in hundreds of thousands of dollars... I mean, the sky's not falling, but, this isn't exactly the image we want put forward of us, even if for some of our more squidly ranks, it may accurate... 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 19:49:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA50ncO7013033; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:49:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA50naX9013023; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:49:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021105004929.87012.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:49:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: sportbike movie To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021104234952.28381.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Gimer & Marion Barry were sitting around in Gimer's > office, and in between hits on the crack pipe, Gimer > said to Barry: pass the pipe, bogart! > how will movies such as this affect us (riders) > negatively? > > [Dave] Uh... Is this a trick question? > > publicity for motorcycles and motorcycling, good or bad, > is generally a good thing. more publicity means more > riders. the more riders (especially those who vote), the > more favorable the traffic laws to riders. > > [Dave] Not this kind of publicity. Inevitably, some > half-wit reporter is going to "investigate" the > motorcycle street racing scene, and we'll end up with a > bigger, more powerful version of Operation 'road rocket' > (remember that fiasco?)... fiasco is right.... from the police perspective. it was unsuccessful. it was, to my knowledge, curtailed. not only that, it focused on roads and and a type of rider that didn't increase the likelihood of trouble for me or other "typical" riders. > has danny motorpsychol's squiddly behavior affected > anybody > here? or has it just affected danny? just danny. > > do the nighttime car dragstips held on local streets > affect > your typical car driver? of course not. > > [Dave] but it DOES affect your average high performance > car driver in the way ... "increased attention" from > traffic cops. for what? equipment violations? tough shit! if you speed/run a light/commit any violation in the presence of an officer, you'll likely be pulled regardless of what you're driving. > will there suddenly appear million$ in enforcement > dollars > to deal with an isolated problem (if one even develops)? > no. > > [Dave] Again, remember operation 'road rocket' - a > campaign solely targeted against motorcyclists. briefly. unsuccessfully. laughably. > That > wasn't brought on by a movie, but remember 'Fast & > furious' media outcry? Think there wasn't increased > attention to street racing after that came out ? i don't recall "fast and furious" or an outcry about it. that should tell you something (that it had little effect) > there simply ain't enough money to fight that losing > battle. > > [Dave] For stupidly enacted enforcement, like O.R.R > courtesey of the MSP, you're correct. It costs thousands > / hour to keep a chopper airborne, making it nearly > impossible to be profitable, even with outrageous MA > level traffic fines. OTOH, VA jurisdictions maintain > profitability by doing 'targeted enforcement campaigns' > against speeding along notoriously underposted sections > of roads, construction zones and the 'usual suspect' > roads - Rt1, FFX co. Pkway, etc... These campaigns rake > in hundreds of thousands of dollars... > > I mean, the sky's not falling, but, this isn't exactly > the image we want put forward of us, even if for some of > our more squidly ranks, it may accurate... so the squids doing wheelies, stoppies and burnouts from light to light should be scared. the rest of us can continue to keep the rubber side down without fear of being incarcerated simply because we're on two wheels. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 21:46:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA52k0O7013998; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:46:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA52jwRp013988; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:45:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000c01c28475$7ba2c4a0$ac613a18@rochester.rr.com> From: "David Thompson" To: References: <200211050000.gA5001Vs011834@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: Paying tolls Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:46:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Fish Flowers asked: Anyway, on to the question: How do you all deal with paying tolls? I ended up spending a lot of time at the tollbooth taking off gloves, dragging out wallets, paying, getting receipts, etc... which tended to irritate the cagers behind me. Hmm. Is there a better way? Strap different toll amounts ($1 Harbor Tunnel, $4 MD tollroad, $2 DE tollroad) to the tank, then yank them off when you get to the booth? ------------------------------------ This is what works for me- Grab a spring steel paper clip ( shaped like a U with wire handles that flip back to open the clip / flip forward to store clipped contents in a file folder) from the office. Remove the upper pinch bolt from the front brake's bar clamp, drop a small washer on the bolt & secure the clip to the bar through the wire handle. There you have it -- a place to clamp toll tickets, folded $ bills etc. that's accessible with your gloves on. Actually I use a 3" x 5" index card and fold the bills over it when clamping them in the clip. Now it's relatively easy to pull the folded bills out of the clamp, strip off the toll, re-fold and insert back in the clip. The clip is plenty strong enough to hold everything in place @ freeway speeds or more. Regards, David "Routemeister" Thompson From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 23:05:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA545qO7014622; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:05:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA545oUF014612; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:05:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003501c28480$a70ca7e0$9888db42@ALLOUTRACING> Reply-To: "Gary-All Out Racing" From: "Gary-All Out Racing" To: References: Subject: Re: sportbike movie Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:05:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Anyone go to the bike week in West Virginia?-Awesome time!-Gary AOR ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan" To: "Tom Gimer" Cc: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:33 PM Subject: Re: sportbike movie > > i know most of you guys are going a little stir crazy with > > the cold fucking weather.... but let's start worrying about > > all of this when there's a reason to. > > Lets not forget what the biker movies of the 50's did. > > > > > even then, we've still got west virginia. > > SHHHH... everyone unfamiliar with WV, its a horrible place, bad roads, > straight and lots of pot holes, it crawling with police that hate bikers, > rude people everywhere, horrible scenery, trash everywhere, people in > mullets dirving like they belong in a Nascar race, bad food... the list > goes on and on. Take my advice stay away! > > Dan > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 4 23:17:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA54GxO7014908; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:16:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA54GxhN014898; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:16:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:18:43 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: heated gear? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone use this stuff? Seems to be priced attractively.... https://tp-commerce.techpro.com/kreamer/cartsys/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=6&cat=Motorcycle -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 06:25:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5BPbO7017388; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:25:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5BPZcH017378; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:25:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Gerbing's Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:25:28 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211050625289U.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, I wore my liner and gloves this morning. I didn't plug in the gloves or power on until I left the gas station. The light was on, I put it in my lap, I pulled about 100 feet to the stoplight to wait for the (fairly) quick green. When I checked the pack, the light was out. The fuse had blown again. Yesterday, I repositioned the wires so they were below the top of the battery. While the black one was fine, the red one had bent over the top of the battery. I do have a possible solution though. I won't know until I check it tonight. If you haven't used the jacket liner (and jacket too, I suppose), you won't know that there are _two_ plugs that look exactly the same. I suspect I plugged into the plug for the pants instead of the jacket. It would explain why it worked one time with no problem but not since. The pants plug came out of its little pocket and was visible where the other plug is shorter and doesn't come below the bottom of the jacket. I'll grab some fuses tonight and try it out. I'll let everyone know tomorrow (unless someone knows for sure that's what it is). If it is, then I'll have to mark the plug so it doesn't happen again. Again, speculation. I'll try it tonight. (I may also be pinching a wire. I'll check that too.) Later. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 08:22:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5DMTO7018218; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:22:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5DMH4G018208; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:22:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Daylight Deer Attack Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:22:10 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211050822109X.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Posted on rec.moto http://www.bigbf.com/azvalk/f6gal_accident/ Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 09:27:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5ERfO7018845; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:27:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5ERdK6018837; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:27:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200211051427.JAA17442@boo-mda02.boo.net> To: fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: tolls Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:27:37 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 If they are going to make me pay the same toll amount as a car they can bloody well sit behind me while I fish and fumble for the bills and change required to pay. I would feel differently if there was any sort of break for motorcycles. In my past experience riding my annual pilgrimage to the 'Jersey shore I have had some fun toll experiences. I would like to thank the toll fairy in a Blue full size Bronco for paying my toll on the Delaware bridge. I would also like to thank the two guys in the new red Acura for giving me a hand with the tolls around Baltimore. Oh, and paying tolls on a motorcycle while in another country, driving on the left, is a whole new world. I pulled up to the wrong side, had to paddle the bike back and pull up the correct side! Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Paying tolls Anyway, on to the question: How do you all deal with paying tolls? I ended up spending a lot of time at the tollbooth taking off gloves, dragging out wallets, paying, getting receipts, etc... which tended to irritate the cagers behind me. Hmm. --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 09:29:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5ETlO7019119; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:29:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5ETk3g019104; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:29:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002a01c284d8$6d5f7510$6401a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce N" To: References: <0211050822109X.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Daylight Deer Attack Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:34:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Looks like a good reason to wear a full face helmet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" > Posted on rec.moto > > http://www.bigbf.com/azvalk/f6gal_accident/ > > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 09:51:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5EpEO7019471; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:51:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5EpBWo019461; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:51:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021105095007.021ba2d0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:50:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: sportbike movie In-Reply-To: <20021104232412.37619.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:24 PM 11/4/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >i know most of you guys are going a little stir crazy with >the cold fucking weather.... but let's start worrying about >all of this when there's a reason to. I'd rather deal with it before it becomes a problem. Not that chatting about it here makes a BFD. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 09:56:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5Eu1O7019758; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:56:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5Eu0U0019750; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:56:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021105145553.58015.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:55:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: sportbike movie To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.5.0.20021105095007.021ba2d0@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii so how do you plan to "deal with it"? boycott the movie? repeal the first amendment? this stuff may put bikers in a negative light, but what can POSSIBLY be done about it? --- Troutman wrote: > At 06:24 PM 11/4/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > >i know most of you guys are going a little stir crazy > with > >the cold fucking weather.... but let's start worrying > about > >all of this when there's a reason to. > > I'd rather deal with it before it becomes a problem. Not > that chatting > about it here makes a BFD. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 10:02:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5F20O7020058; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:02:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5F205L020053; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:02:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021105095950.02234008@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 10:01:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: sportbike movie In-Reply-To: <20021105145553.58015.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.5.0.20021105095007.021ba2d0@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Like I just said : > I'd rather deal with it before it becomes a problem. Not > that chatting about it here makes a BFD. ... meaning that banter on this list doesn't make a difference - but ideally, I'd rather deal with a situation before it becomes a problem. Put some shorts on, unwad the panties and relax Gimer. At 09:55 AM 11/5/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: >so how do you plan to "deal with it"? boycott the movie? >repeal the first amendment? > >this stuff may put bikers in a negative light, but what can >POSSIBLY be done about it? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 10:05:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5F5SO7020349; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:05:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5F5Sn0020343; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:05:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00cd01c284dc$df2dfdc0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "dc-cycles list" , References: <200211051427.JAA17442@boo-mda02.boo.net> Subject: Re: tolls Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:04:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 It's actually a bit surprising how often the good Samaritans step up the plate. Last year, it was a crappy rainy day and I took the ferry across the Ohio River at Sistersville, WV. While I fiddled and fumbled with my rain suit and damp leathers to get my money out, an elderly gentleman nearby handed my fare to the collector and flatly refused my offers of repayment. You really do meet the nicest people on a Honda. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: I would like to thank the toll fairy in a Blue > full size Bronco for paying my toll on the Delaware bridge. I would also like > to thank the two guys in the new red Acura for giving me a hand with the tolls > around Baltimore. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 10:10:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5FAKO7020419; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:10:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5FAKk1020411; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:10:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021105151013.53766.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:10:13 -0800 (PST) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: sportbike movie To: Tom Gimer , Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021105145553.58015.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nothing can be done about it. We may be affected by insurance rates, but honestly, did your car insurance increase after Fast and the Furious came out? Mine didn't. I know quite a few folks that love bikes, but are scared shitless of them and would never do more than talk about owning one. I assure you we're not going to see the motorcycle population increase ten-fold. I doubt it will be any more than what the normal increase of new riders is every year in our area. my $.02, Nick --- Tom Gimer wrote: > so how do you plan to "deal with it"? boycott the > movie? > repeal the first amendment? > > this stuff may put bikers in a negative light, but > what can > POSSIBLY be done about it? > > > > > --- Troutman wrote: > > At 06:24 PM 11/4/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > >i know most of you guys are going a little stir > crazy > > with > > >the cold fucking weather.... but let's start > worrying > > about > > >all of this when there's a reason to. > > > > I'd rather deal with it before it becomes a > problem. Not > > that chatting > > about it here makes a BFD. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! 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HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 10:10:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5FAPO7020451; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:10:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5FAOLx020447; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:10:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021105151015.82108.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:10:15 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: sportbike movie To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.5.0.20021105095950.02234008@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > Like I just said : > > > I'd rather deal with it before it becomes a problem. > Not > > that chatting about it here makes a BFD. > > ... meaning that banter on this list doesn't make a > difference - but > ideally, I'd rather deal with a situation before it > becomes a problem. dude.... i'm being serious. ideally, how does the situation get dealt with? i'm not sure it can be. > Put some shorts on, unwad the panties and relax Gimer. > > At 09:55 AM 11/5/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > >so how do you plan to "deal with it"? boycott the > movie? > >repeal the first amendment? > > > >this stuff may put bikers in a negative light, but what > can > >POSSIBLY be done about it? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 10:25:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5FPfO7021060; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:25:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5FPewj021053; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:25:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 5 Nov 2002 15:26:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20021105152647.27713.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sportbike movie X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) In his best 'Bill & Ted's excellent adventure' imitation, Gimer states: dude.... i'm being serious. ideally, how does the situation get dealt with? i'm not sure it can be. [Dave] 1st, we know it's coming, so watch the early spring news for 'increased enforcement of motorcycle speeding, etc.' ... It might be a good idea for local & national level clubs to 'get out in front of this' by distancing ourselves from it. When the Maryland State Pricks put out their hack job press releases, all the local news venues swallowed the bait hook line & sinker. Many of us, myself included, wrote angry letters to the various outlets. My target was channel 4, figuring that since Vance is a biker, he would give a fair shake to us. MUCH to Vance & channel 4's credit, they did a follow up that was much more balanced & cast doubt on the Maryland State Pricks. They must've gotten quite a bit of feed back... You're right, we're not going to stop the movie, the best we can realistically hope for is to stop some of the 'backlash'... And, Gimer, if you think the multiple award winning Fast & furious didn't generate increased enforcement from almost every LE agency that does traffic enforcement in the US, you're in denial. Now, the campaigns probably didn't make much money from their intended targets, but the collateral targets more than made up for it ... Ah well, if all else fails, maybe we can all make appointments to ride with Danny... his riding style will draw more attention ! ;-) Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 10:31:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5FVvO7021120; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:31:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5FVuI0021110; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:31:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:33:39 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: sdave@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sportbike movie In-Reply-To: <20021105152647.27713.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > bait hook line & sinker. Many of us, myself included, wrote angry > letters to the various outlets. My target was channel 4, figuring that > since Vance is a biker, he would give a fair shake to us. MUCH to Vance > & channel 4's credit, they did a follow up that was much more balanced & > cast doubt on the Maryland State Pricks. They must've gotten quite a > bit of feed back... Dave, For those of us that weren't around this area back then... can you give us a brief history lesson on exactly what prompted this operation? Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 10:35:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5FZgO7021431; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:35:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5FZg0Y021426; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:35:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <013601c284e1$189f5b40$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Tom Gimer" , "Troutman" , References: <20021105151015.82108.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: sportbike movie Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:35:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Here's how I'm dealing with it. This picture will not be getting my $6 bargain matinee money. If someone else finds it to have entertainment value, fine. Most people understand fantasy v. reality. That's why they go to the movies: for escape. If a few knuckleheads act out these fantasies...well, at least they're not doing it with firearms. The way some are describing the aftermath of this film, you'd think we have no squids on our streets right now, driving up premiums for twenty-something sportbike riders. Besides, do bikers want to join the legions of chronic complainers and groups of special pleaders who feel they're being "dissed" by Hollywood. Take a number. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" > dude.... i'm being serious. ideally, how does the > situation get dealt with? i'm not sure it can be. > > > > > > > Put some shorts on, unwad the panties and relax Gimer. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 10:45:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5FjXO7021809; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:45:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5FjWm4021803; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:45:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021105103849.02073c60@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 10:45:25 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: sportbike movie In-Reply-To: <013601c284e1$189f5b40$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <20021105151015.82108.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:35 AM 11/5/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: >Besides, do bikers want to join the legions of chronic complainers and >groups of special pleaders who feel they're being "dissed" by Hollywood. >Take a number. It is much too late for that. The AMA has been lobbying hard to rid us of the outlaw biker stereotype for decades. There was a time when 'bikers' wouldn't complain - they would ride into town and beat up the offending party. Now we market them and lobby them and start letter writing campaigns. I support the AMA fully, but there are plenty of groups that still remember the outlaw bikers, and laugh at the techniques of persuasion used today. I'm Googling for the example article i read a couple of years ago, but I can't find it. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 11:18:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5GI4O7022275; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:18:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5GI45b022268; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:18:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: sportbike movie Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:17:00 -0600 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A641962307D1A4F7@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: sportbike movie Thread-Index: AcKE5ti4XRI/lyswQUOhpJHzvUgHUA== From: To: , Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gA5GI3O7022256 It was Danny (DC cycles list squid) and his Boyz in PG county... Right? >>> dan 11/05/02 10:33AM >>> For those of us that weren't around this area back then... can you give us a brief history lesson on exactly what prompted this operation? Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 11:25:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5GPBO7022428; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:25:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5GPAFw022420; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:25:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DC7F22A.7D3BA11@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 11:30:34 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dan CC: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sportbike movie References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dan wrote: > > bait hook line & sinker. Many of us, myself included, wrote angry > > letters to the various outlets. My target was channel 4, figuring that > > since Vance is a biker, he would give a fair shake to us. MUCH to Vance > > & channel 4's credit, they did a follow up that was much more balanced & > > cast doubt on the Maryland State Pricks. They must've gotten quite a > > bit of feed back... > > Dave, > > For those of us that weren't around this area back then... can you give us > a brief history lesson on exactly what prompted this operation? > > Dan Methinks Dave is reffering to "Operation Road Rocket". Maryland put a few jazzed up Beemers on the road in a laughable effort to apprehend the crotch rocketeers. The Beemer was reputed to hit an amazing speed of 160+, which is what -- fourth gear for the average mondo Jap sportbike? Of course Maryland had a helo or two in the air to track the speedy offenders. Estimated cost to 2K per hour for the whirlybirds. Dang, they'd have to catch a gazzilion speeders to recoup the expendature via fines! The absurdity of ORR had most of us laughing aloud. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 11:40:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5GesO7022554; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:40:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5GerXg022544; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:40:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021105164049.24025.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:40:49 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: Biker Movie To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't believe the AMA has done much of anything to fight the stereotypical view of bikers as gritty, anarchist roughnecks. They're more interested in unfettered rights for bikers, NOT image improvement. If the AMA really wanted to rid motorcyclists of the outlaw biker image, they would stop trying to fight helmet laws and start spending more funds on improving public perception. I'm convinced that most "bikers" and the organizations they support don't want a clean, wholesome image. They're interested in motorcycles precisely because they're seen as dangerous and anti-establishment. (Yes, we all know it's ironic that Hawgs and other expensive bikes are becoming the accoutrement of establishment types everywhere.) Chris Weaver --- Troutman wrote: > It is much too late for that. The AMA has been > lobbying hard to rid us of > the outlaw biker stereotype for decades. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 11:41:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5Gf1O7022588; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:41:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5Gf0Ib022583; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:41:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <019501c284ea$38397ae0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "Troutman" References: <20021105151015.82108.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> <5.2.0.5.0.20021105103849.02073c60@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: sportbike movie Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:40:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 My view is there's not much you can do about Hollywood, but we can do a lot to promote a better image of motorcyclists at a local level, such as "volunteering" to teach MSF. Yes, I know we get paid a token amount. Or volunteering as a moto-marshal for a charity event. At the very least--and I know this is tough--ride your bike! The more riders we have out there to water down the idiots the better. And, instead of trying to pressure Hollywood execs., pressure your elected representatives. They work for you; the execs at the media giants don't. At the very least, head off dumb bills like the Cryer "no kiddies on bikes" bill or attempts to raid the license fees that go to training programs. On the positive side, get motorcycles included (and at least considered) in anti-congestion and air quality measures, push for toll elimination for bikes, get lane-sharing legalized, get legislation passed that requires publicly-owned parking structures and automated signals to be bike friendly....there's a long list. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:45 AM Subject: Re: sportbike movie > At 10:35 AM 11/5/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > >Besides, do bikers want to join the legions of chronic complainers and > >groups of special pleaders who feel they're being "dissed" by Hollywood. > >Take a number. > > It is much too late for that. The AMA has been lobbying hard to rid us of > the outlaw biker stereotype for decades. There was a time when 'bikers' > wouldn't complain - they would ride into town and beat up the offending > party. Now we market them and lobby them and start letter writing > campaigns. I support the AMA fully, but there are plenty of groups that > still remember the outlaw bikers, and laugh at the techniques of persuasion > used today. I'm Googling for the example article i read a couple of years > ago, but I can't find it. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 11:42:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5GgpO7022630; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:42:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5Ggox4022623; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:42:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021105114045.02072008@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 11:42:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: sportbike movie In-Reply-To: <3DC7F22A.7D3BA11@patriot.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >My target was channel 4, figuring that > > > since Vance is a biker, he would give a fair shake to us. MUCH to Vance > > > & channel 4's credit, they did a follow up that was much more balanced & > > > cast doubt on the Maryland State Pricks. So - did Vance cut Marion Barry some leeway since he is a coke head? Are there any truly unbiased reporters? FOX advertises itself so, but it is obviously right wing (like me). Although I prefer right wing to left wing bias, I'd rather see none at all. Discuss amongst yourselves while I eat lunch and follow along. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 11:49:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5GngO7023191; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:49:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5GngYZ023187; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:49:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DC7F7ED.2D56A75F@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 11:55:09 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sportbike movie References: <5.2.0.5.0.20021105114045.02072008@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > Are there any truly unbiased reporters? FOX advertises itself so, but it > is obviously right wing (like me). Although I prefer right wing to left > wing bias, I'd rather see none at all. No. Excluding a pure talking head who merely recites news from a teleprompter, but then *someone* has to write the script, and they would have a bias. It is up to us, the news customers, to diversify our input mediums and form our own opinions. I even watch Faux News occassionaly. Better looking news babes fer sure :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 11:55:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5GthO7023252; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:55:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5GthlC023244; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:55:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DC7F7BB.6478A5FB@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 11:54:19 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "William J. Huson" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sportbike movie References: <5.2.0.5.0.20021105114045.02072008@mail.troutman.org> <3DC7F7ED.2D56A75F@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Troutman wrote: > > > Are there any truly unbiased reporters? FOX advertises itself so, but it > > is obviously right wing (like me). Although I prefer right wing to left > > wing bias, I'd rather see none at all. > > No. Excluding a pure talking head who merely recites news from a teleprompter, > but then *someone* has to write the script, and they would have a bias. It is up > to us, the news customers, to diversify our input mediums and form our own > opinions. I even watch Faux News occassionaly. Better looking news babes fer > sure :-) there are 'less biased' sources of news out there. The Economist is one, StratFor is another. there aren't, from my experience, very many 'less biased' "News Lite" sources out there. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 11:58:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5GwcO7023295; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:58:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5Gwb6Q023287; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:58:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01d701c284ec$acb3ad80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Chris Weaver" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20021105164049.24025.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Biker Movie Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:58:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > I'm convinced that most "bikers" and the organizations > they support don't want a clean, wholesome image. > They're interested in motorcycles precisely because > they're seen as dangerous and anti-establishment. > (Yes, we all know it's ironic that Hawgs and other > expensive bikes are becoming the accoutrement of > establishment types everywhere.) > > Chris Weaver > A classic case of wanting to have your cake and eat it at the same time. Outlaw, free-spirit, devil may care image, but with a "wink" to signify it's just weekend play-acting. Me, I wear my Cordura proudly 24/7. ;) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 13:20:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5IKgO7024030; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:20:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5IKfg9024022; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:20:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:14:49 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Media Bias (was Re: sportbike movie) In-Reply-To: <3DC7F7BB.6478A5FB@tasam.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Skip Smith wrote: > there are 'less biased' sources of news out there. The Economist is > one, StratFor is another. there aren't, from my experience, very many > 'less biased' "News Lite" sources out there. I actually think The Economist has some very strong bias. The reason I love them to bits is that they're not afraid to admit bias, and their editorial slant is often made quite clear. They're one of the few good media sources which are both truly global and (in general) truly honest about what does it for them. (i.e., free markets, liberal democracy, that sort of thing.) Even when I disagree with their slant, I appreciate their candor. Fish. economist fanboy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 13:41:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5IfVO7024180; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:41:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5IfUNi024172; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:41:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021105134040.00b72db8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:41:27 -0500 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Media Bias (was Re: sportbike movie) In-Reply-To: References: <3DC7F7BB.6478A5FB@tasam.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:14 PM 11/5/2002, Fish Flowers wrote: >On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Skip Smith wrote: > > > there are 'less biased' sources of news out there. The Economist is > > one, StratFor is another. there aren't, from my experience, very many > > 'less biased' "News Lite" sources out there. > >I actually think The Economist has some very strong bias. The reason I >love them to bits is that they're not afraid to admit bias, and their >editorial slant is often made quite clear. They're one of the few good >media sources which are both truly global and (in general) truly honest >about what does it for them. (i.e., free markets, liberal democracy, that >sort of thing.) Even when I disagree with their slant, I appreciate their >candor. > >Fish. >economist fanboy it's also why I subscribe to the Christian Science Monitor From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 14:02:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5J2JO7024418; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:02:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5J2ISN024410; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:02:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021105190216.18671.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:02:16 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: winner of Buell sweepstakes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Heh, the winner is a Springfield, VA resident. I wonder if we can induce him to be a lister and talk about his little jaunt with Eric himself. ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 14:39:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5JdbO7024657; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:39:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5JdaJx024647; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:39:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021105193928.62833.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:39:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: sportbike movie To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20021104182602.016a9008@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Aki Damme wrote: > At 06:24 PM 11/4/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > >how will movies such as this affect us (riders) > negatively? > > publicity for motorcycles and motorcycling, good or > bad, > >is generally a good thing. more publicity means more > >riders. the more riders (especially those who vote), > the > >more favorable the traffic laws to riders. > > > you're absolutely right...I'm mean gangsta rap and drug > movies > didn't get kids acting that way. ;-) > >do the nighttime car dragstips held on local streets > affect > >your typical car driver? of course not. > > bull...try crossing my neighborhood street just about any > summer night. you lost me. how does the behavior i described impact negatively on your ordinary car driver? it doesn't. the same logic applies to motorcyclists. the only folks negatively impacted by glorifying those who perform stunts on public roads would be those who are performing stunts on public roads in the presence of law enforcement. > anything that gives motorcycling a bad image isn't good. > > This movie is not giving motorcycling the type of image > we need or want. who are "we" here? seems to me this movie will give some folks exactly the image they want. and it's not like motorcyclists had a sterling image in teh first place.... i still say any publicity is good publicity. it forces the public to acknowledge there are motorcycles, of all shapes, sizes and types -- and we're all over the place. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 14:57:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5JvhO7024772; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:57:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5Jvh6Z024764; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:57:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021105145152.01e0bd68@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 14:57:35 -0500 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: sportbike movie In-Reply-To: <20021105193928.62833.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20021104182602.016a9008@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:39 PM 11/5/2002, you wrote: > > > > bull...try crossing my neighborhood street just about any > > summer night. > >you lost me. how does the behavior i described impact >negatively on your ordinary car driver? it doesn't. the >same logic applies to motorcyclists. the only folks >negatively impacted by glorifying those who perform stunts >on public roads would be those who are performing stunts on >public roads in the presence of law enforcement. > stereotypes cross all boundries...what the typical cager will see will be some kid who's put those gawd awful whale tails on their Civic and think right away, "there's one of those guys we saw in the movies that races around all over the place". > > anything that gives motorcycling a bad image isn't good. > > > > This movie is not giving motorcycling the type of image > > we need or want. > >who are "we" here? seems to me this movie will give some >folks exactly the image they want. and it's not like >motorcyclists had a sterling image in teh first place.... and movies like this *help*? Remember how the public went up in arms over the MTV show "Jackass"? And why was that? Because there were idiots that were getting *killed* trying those stunts. >i still say any publicity is good publicity. it forces the >public to acknowledge there are motorcycles, of all shapes, >sizes and types -- and we're all over the place. no matter how much some of us act like assholes. >-- >tg > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 15:43:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5Kh8O7025073; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:43:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5Kh8lS025063; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:43:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:40:41 -0500 Subject: Paying tolls From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My personal, and I hope, annoying protest goes like this-- I pull up to the toll booth, shift to neutral, put the side stand down, remove gloves, fish wallet out, pay toll,put change away, raise side stand, and motor away. If those behind me don't like it then they should lobby to get motorcycles a freebie. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 16:27:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5LRdO7025411; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:27:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5LRd9Q025407; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:27:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:27:36 -0800 From: To: Chris Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Biker Movie Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Yes. And you are one of them, hooligan wheelie-boy! %^) On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:40:49 -0800 (PST) Chris Weaver wrote: > I'm convinced that most "bikers" and the > organizations > they support don't want a clean, wholesome > image. > They're interested in motorcycles precisely > because > they're seen as dangerous and > anti-establishment. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 16:31:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5LVsO7025477; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:31:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5LVsEi025471; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:31:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021105213151.88712.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:31:51 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: Biker Movie To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Au contraire, mon frere! I'd LOVE to have a clean, wholesome image when I'm on my bike. It might keep me from racking up all these reckless driving (riding) charges! Policeman: "Oh look there goes one of those nice biker boys. He's going so fast, he's probably late to pick up his grandma at the hospital! Go faster, young man!" ;^P Chris Weaver --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Yes. And you are one of them, hooligan wheelie-boy! > %^) > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:40:49 -0800 (PST) Chris Weaver > > wrote: > > > I'm convinced that most "bikers" and the > > organizations > > they support don't want a clean, wholesome > > image. > > They're interested in motorcycles precisely > > because > > they're seen as dangerous and > > anti-establishment. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 16:33:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5LX6O7025516; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:33:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5LX6Bb025510; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:33:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:33:00 -0800 From: To: Chris Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Biker Movie Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 You're not fooling anyone. On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:31:51 -0800 (PST) Chris Weaver wrote: > Au contraire, mon frere! > > I'd LOVE to have a clean, wholesome image when > I'm on > my bike. It might keep me from racking up all > these > reckless driving (riding) charges! Policeman: > "Oh look > there goes one of those nice biker boys. He's > going so > fast, he's probably late to pick up his grandma > at the > hospital! Go faster, young man!" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 16:34:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5LYRO7025551; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:34:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5LYRxH025544; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:34:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20021105163350.021e5b00@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:34:20 -0500 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Biker Movie In-Reply-To: <20021105213151.88712.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:31 PM 11/5/2002, Chris Weaver wrote: I like the cut of your jib young man! ;-) >Au contraire, mon frere! > >I'd LOVE to have a clean, wholesome image when I'm on >my bike. It might keep me from racking up all these >reckless driving (riding) charges! Policeman: "Oh look >there goes one of those nice biker boys. He's going so >fast, he's probably late to pick up his grandma at the >hospital! Go faster, young man!" > >;^P > >Chris Weaver > > >--- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > > Yes. And you are one of them, hooligan wheelie-boy! > > %^) > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:40:49 -0800 (PST) Chris Weaver > > > > wrote: > > > > > I'm convinced that most "bikers" and the > > > organizations > > > they support don't want a clean, wholesome > > > image. > > > They're interested in motorcycles precisely > > > because > > > they're seen as dangerous and > > > anti-establishment. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now >http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 17:38:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA5Mc8O7026085; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:38:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA5Mc8CG026075; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:38:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:51:40 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: sportbike movie In-Reply-To: <20021105152647.27713.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 5 Nov 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > And, Gimer, if you think the multiple > award winning Fast & furious didn't > generate increased enforcement from almost > every LE agency that does traffic enforcement > in the US, you're in denial. Or you're just making up things to support your position. How do you prove this? You can't. I have not seen any add'l enforcement anywhere I drive post-F&F. I drive a car with a freakin' rollcage in it, 4" exhaust and questionable ;-) emissions legality. I think if anyone is going to be hassled, it would be me. 8-) I think we'll see the same results with this silly MC movie. More kids quoting incorrect stats and sniffing the seats of every sportbike they see posing at the local coffee shop. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 19:32:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA60WsO7027917; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:32:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA60Wo5A027909; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:32:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021106003248.41836.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:32:48 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: Gerbing's To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200211060000.gA6000A8026861@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Carl Schelin If you haven't used the jacket liner (and jacket too, I suppose), you won't know that there are _two_ plugs that look exactly the same. I suspect I plugged into the plug for the pants instead of the jacket. It would explain why it worked one time with no problem but not since. The pants plug came out of its little pocket and was visible where the other plug is shorter and doesn't come below the bottom of the jacket. ========== Carl, On my Gerbing jacket liner, I've used both of these plugs interchangeably to connect to the lead coming from the battery. You're shorting somewhere... Do you have a BMW (John Deere) type plug or SAE leads? Allow me to digress; if the former, make sure pos is pos and neg is neg if you intend to hook up a battery charger at all. This won't make any difference for heated clothing though since you're only closing a circuit there. John Kozyn (D-mode) 1999 Ducati 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 19:51:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA60p7O7028059; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:51:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA60p6FV028051; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:51:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 6 Nov 2002 00:52:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20021106005214.23330.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sportbike movie X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: dsl-65-190-204-149.telocity.com (65.190.204.149) Wayne said: > And, Gimer, if you think the multiple > award winning Fast & furious didn't > generate increased enforcement from almost > every LE agency that does traffic enforcement > in the US, you're in denial. Or you're just making up things to support your position. How do you prove this? You can't. [Dave] Which one? Gimer being in denial or increased enforcement? MSNBC did a segment on the 'evil street racing culture' around the time of the movie's release. As you would expect, they interviewed several traffic cops. You can't prove that a vast majority of traffic cops speed in their cruisers either, (or at least it would be pretty difficult) but it happens. I have not seen any add'l enforcement anywhere I drive post-F&F. I drive a car with a freakin' rollcage in it, 4" exhaust and questionable ;-) emissions legality. I think if anyone is going to be hassled, it would be me. 8-) [Dave] The formula? What?! no 3 foot tall wing, and horsepower adding stickers???? :-) I think we'll see the same results with this silly MC movie. More kids quoting incorrect stats and sniffing the seats of every sportbike they see posing at the local coffee shop. [Dave] I hope you're right. I'm sure the movie will contain numerous things that shouldn't even be attempted. Maybe we'll be lucky & it'll go straight to video. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 5 19:58:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA60w7O7028109; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:58:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA60w7qU028103; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:58:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001901c28530$4aa1d740$536b2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "John Kozyn" , References: <20021106003248.41836.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Gerbing's Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:03:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kozyn" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Re: Gerbing's > From: Carl Schelin > > If you haven't used the jacket liner (and jacket too, I suppose), you > won't > know that there are _two_ plugs that look exactly the same... > > ========== > Carl, > > On my Gerbing jacket liner, I've used both of these plugs > interchangeably to connect to the lead coming from the battery. You're > shorting somewhere... > > Do you have a BMW (John Deere) type plug or SAE leads? Allow me to > digress; if the former, make sure pos is pos and neg is neg if you > intend to hook up a battery charger at all. This won't make any > difference for heated clothing though since you're only closing a > circuit there. > > John Kozyn (D-mode) As John sez, I have used the two plugs interchangeably. It's all wired in parallel, so it doesn't matter. As for the polarity, it may not matter to the ni-chrome wires in the clothes, but it does matter to the Heat-Troller, if that's what you have. Also the Gerbing pigtail (trailer plug) is designed so the exposed metal is connected to the ground to avoid accidental shorts to the frame. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 06:29:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6BTAO7031426; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 06:29:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6BT9Vd031416; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 06:29:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gerbing's Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:28:58 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20021106003248.41836.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021106003248.41836.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <021106062858A6.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 05 November 2002 19:32, John Kozyn wrote: > Carl, > > On my Gerbing jacket liner, I've used both of these plugs > interchangeably to connect to the lead coming from the battery. You're > shorting somewhere... > Yep. I tried it last night and again this morning. The light on the heat-troller blinks 3 or 4 times, stays solid for about 2 seconds and cuts off. > Do you have a BMW (John Deere) type plug or SAE leads? It's the male/female combination plug. I don't know what a BMW or John Deere plug looks like (well, like people, I know names and I know faces but most of the time I can't match them up0. > Allow me to > digress; if the former, make sure pos is pos and neg is neg if you > intend to hook up a battery charger at all. This won't make any > difference for heated clothing though since you're only closing a > circuit there. > I'll have to drag the setup down to Morton's when I get the bike back from the 5k review (fluid change). I'm only taking it in because of a leak (or three). Thanks, Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 06:33:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6BXEO7031498; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 06:33:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6BXCrX031483; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 06:33:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gerbing's Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:33:04 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <20021106003248.41836.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c28530$4aa1d740$536b2c42@D7XFG711> In-Reply-To: <001901c28530$4aa1d740$536b2c42@D7XFG711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <021106063304A7.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 05 November 2002 20:03, Paul Wilson wrote: > As John sez, I have used the two plugs interchangeably. It's all wired in > parallel, so it doesn't matter. > Yep. I found out this morning for sure. > As for the polarity, it may not matter to the ni-chrome wires in the > clothes, but it does matter to the Heat-Troller, if that's what you have. I do have that. I'm making sure the red end is plugged into the battery pigtail. It says "power in" on that lead. The other one is plugged into either of the pigtails on the jacket. It's weird that it worked fine for about 30 minutes Sunday night but not since. > Also the Gerbing pigtail (trailer plug) is designed so the exposed metal is > connected to the ground to avoid accidental shorts to the frame. > ? I'm not sure I understand this statement. Are you saying it shouldn't be connected to the battery? Red to positive, black to frame instead of black to negative? Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 08:11:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6DBVO7032006; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:11:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6DBUVB031996; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:11:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DC92060.8030604@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 09:00:00 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sportbike movie References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I don't think this movie will do anything to the regular motorcyclist, I believe any publicity is good publicity. Here's why - aftermarket parts/gear. At fist it'll be stupid tack-on stuff. Then it'll evolve as serious performace parts, increasing availibility, and lower prices. At first it'll be more posers/squids, then over time the real gear heads will show though. This is seems to have happened on the cage side anyway. One can hope, Tom de '98 VTR Wayne Edelen wrote: >On 5 Nov 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >>And, Gimer, if you think the multiple >>award winning Fast & furious didn't >>generate increased enforcement from almost >>every LE agency that does traffic enforcement >>in the US, you're in denial. >> >> > >Or you're just making up things to support your position. How do you >prove this? You can't. > >I have not seen any add'l enforcement anywhere I drive post-F&F. I drive >a car with a freakin' rollcage in it, 4" exhaust and questionable ;-) >emissions legality. I think if anyone is going to be hassled, it would be >me. 8-) > >I think we'll see the same results with this silly MC movie. More kids >quoting incorrect stats and sniffing the seats of every sportbike they see >posing at the local coffee shop. > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 09:20:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6EKEO7032528; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:20:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6EKDnQ032518; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:20:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021106142005.47822.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 06:20:05 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: sportbike movie To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021105152647.27713.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > You're right, we're not going to stop the movie, the best > we can realistically hope for is to stop some of the > 'backlash'... And, Gimer, if you think the > multiple award winning Fast & furious didn't > generate increased enforcement from almost every LE > agency that does traffic enforcement in the US, you're in > denial. Now, the campaigns probably didn't make much > money from their intended targets, but the collateral > targets more than made up for it ... i've honestly never heard of "fast & furious." of course, i don't have a coffee can sticking out from under my back bumper either. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 09:46:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6Ek9O7032734; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:46:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6Ek8cO032726; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:46:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021106093431.021a3e58@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 09:46:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Sucky Commute Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'll be the first to whine over a miserable commute yesterday. I'll just hit the highlights. Dark shield still in place from daylight savings. No fog-x on dark shield. Small rip in boot leather = boot full of water. It is amazing how water funnels down a rain suit into a boot, not to mention my gauntlet gloves. So - I spend most of my time wiping the fog off with one finger, riding with shield half open - squinting in the rain, or riding basically blind behind red brakelights. On the big plus side - my new tires stick like glue. I continued to take corners at relatively normal speeds despite my vision problems - and only slid twice on some gravel and/or wet leaves. And the rest of my body stayed 100% dry in my First Gear Kenya and bib winter pants. I love that suit. A co-worker said his defroster was having trouble keeping up with the windshield fog last night, so it must have been hard on some of you other riders. I drove in today - my gear is still soaked. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 09:56:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6EukO7000424; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:56:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6Euj9l000416; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:56:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sucky Commute Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:56:33 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.2.0.5.0.20021106093431.021a3e58@mail.wheatintl.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.5.0.20021106093431.021a3e58@mail.wheatintl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <021106095633AA.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What time did you go home? I left early to vote and it was dry until fairly late in the afternoon. Carl On Wednesday 06 November 2002 09:46, Troutman wrote: > I'll be the first to whine over a miserable commute yesterday. I'll just > hit the highlights. Dark shield still in place from daylight savings. No > fog-x on dark shield. Small rip in boot leather = boot full of water. It > is amazing how water funnels down a rain suit into a boot, not to mention > my gauntlet gloves. > > So - I spend most of my time wiping the fog off with one finger, riding > with shield half open - squinting in the rain, or riding basically blind > behind red brakelights. > > On the big plus side - my new tires stick like glue. I continued to take > corners at relatively normal speeds despite my vision problems - and only > slid twice on some gravel and/or wet leaves. And the rest of my body > stayed 100% dry in my First Gear Kenya and bib winter pants. I love that > suit. > -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 10:00:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6F0CO7000468; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:00:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6F0BVE000463; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:00:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.5.0.20021106095915.021ad9e8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.5 (Beta) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 10:00:09 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Sucky Commute In-Reply-To: <021106095633AA.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: <5.2.0.5.0.20021106093431.021a3e58@mail.wheatintl.com> <5.2.0.5.0.20021106093431.021a3e58@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed 4:40pm (left early to vote) commute from Reston to Clifton / Manassas. Rained the whole way. At 09:56 AM 11/6/2002, Carl Schelin wrote: >What time did you go home? I left early to vote and it was dry until fairly >late in the afternoon. > >Carl ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 10:18:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6FIWO7000631; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:18:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6FIWNE000623; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:18:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:20:20 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Harley to buy Ducati? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.amasuperbike.com/2002-Nov/021104c.htm -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 10:34:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6FY2O7000795; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:34:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6FY1rl000785; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:34:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021106103813.051074b0@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 10:41:17 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Harley to buy Ducati? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:20 AM 11/6/02 -0500, dan wrote: >http://www.amasuperbike.com/2002-Nov/021104c.htm This part of the article is hilarious - "... latest published rumors link Ducati with Harley-Davidson, with the American manufacturer swinging in to buy an interest, or a controlling interest, in Ducati for about $228 million US, or about what Harley will make in jacket sales this coming Christmas." :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 10:47:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6FlXO7000907; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:47:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6FlW1O000899; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:47:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021106154722.42446.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:47:22 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Harley to buy Ducati? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021106103813.051074b0@fbody.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > At 10:20 AM 11/6/02 -0500, dan wrote: > >http://www.amasuperbike.com/2002-Nov/021104c.htm > > This part of the article is hilarious - > > "... latest published rumors link Ducati with > Harley-Davidson, with the > American manufacturer swinging in to buy an > interest, or a controlling > interest, in Ducati for about $228 million US, or > about what Harley will > make in jacket sales this coming Christmas." > > :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 10:57:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6FvcO7001250; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:57:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6Fvcbl001242; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:57:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:59:26 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley to buy Ducati? In-Reply-To: <20021106154722.42446.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO > Awww come on Mark, having a large selection of chrome EVERYTHING for Duc's will make them that more appealing to the squids. Imagine a 100% chrome 999 Screamin Eagle Edition complete with drag pipes. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 10:57:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6FvnO7001290; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:57:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6FvnW3001286; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:57:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008401c285ad$5b2b5c80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Schelin" , References: <20021106003248.41836.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c28530$4aa1d740$536b2c42@D7XFG711> <021106063304A7.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Gerbing's Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:57:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" > > It's weird that it worked fine for about 30 minutes Sunday night but not > since. > > > Also the Gerbing pigtail (trailer plug) is designed so the exposed metal is > > connected to the ground to avoid accidental shorts to the frame. > > > > ? I'm not sure I understand this statement. Are you saying it shouldn't be > connected to the battery? Red to positive, black to frame instead of black to > negative? > > Carl Carl, the fused side of the Gerbing's pigtail goes to the positive (hot) side. The positive is the female part of the polarized trailer plug, while the dangling, exposed male part is the negative. That being the case, should the plug accidentally come into contact with the frame, you're not blowing the fuse. That and the Heat-Troller is polarity sensitive. Hope that makes sense. >From what you've described, it sounds to me like you have a defective Heat-Troller or a short somewhere in the gloves or liner. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 10:59:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6FxYO7001339; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:59:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6FxYPl001329; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:59:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021106155923.26640.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:59:23 -0800 (PST) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: Harley to buy Ducati? To: dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think Harley already got their mitts into Ducati, remember that Monster Chom-o-dora (or what ever the hell it was called?) Nick --- dan wrote: > On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO > > > > Awww come on Mark, having a large selection of > chrome EVERYTHING for Duc's > will make them that more appealing to the squids. > Imagine a 100% chrome > 999 Screamin Eagle Edition complete with drag pipes. > > Dan > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 11:06:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6G6RO7001440; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:06:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6G6Rqn001434; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:06:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <6851CF14DA5455469A22AAFB019EAB360624BB@gothic.answerlogic.com> From: Han Park To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Harley to buy Ducati? Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:06:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain >From the article at AMASuperbike.com "TPG is now going to sell their stake in the Italian-job and cherry-pick the US Airline industry for fun and profit instead." Huh? Isn't our airline industry pretty cutthroat what with airlines folding left and right? Whatever happens I hope they stay in WSB and MotoGP (with appropriate funding levels). han > -----Original Message----- > From: dan [mailto:dan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:59 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Harley to buy Ducati? > > > On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO > > > > Awww come on Mark, having a large selection of chrome > EVERYTHING for Duc's > will make them that more appealing to the squids. Imagine a > 100% chrome > 999 Screamin Eagle Edition complete with drag pipes. > > Dan > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 11:09:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6G9jO7001496; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:09:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6G9jKv001491; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:09:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a601c285af$05df81a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: Harley to buy Ducati? Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:09:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Will the distinctive dry clutch rattle be drowned out by a resonant "potato-potato"?? Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan" > > Awww come on Mark, having a large selection of chrome EVERYTHING for Duc's > will make them that more appealing to the squids. Imagine a 100% chrome > 999 Screamin Eagle Edition complete with drag pipes. > > Dan > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 11:33:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6GXxO7001712; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:33:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6GXwMG001702; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:33:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DC9436A.4D68A279@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:29:30 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Cycle gear shops.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know a place that carries a good selection of moto-wear? Amungst other things, I'm looking to actually try on some boots n' stuff and if they have cool prices then I'd certainly buy there. I'm looking for Alpinestars, Oxtars, Sidis or something of the sort. No Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers stuff for me, just comfey black leather waterproof boots. Danke, Carl who is also Carl only in Arlington P.S. Plllease noone tell me to go to Coleman cuz' I've ben there and their selection is...juust a little on the anemic side. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 12:35:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6HZdO7002178; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:35:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6HZYo0002163; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:35:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gerbing's Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:35:22 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <20021106003248.41836.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> <021106063304A7.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <008401c285ad$5b2b5c80$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <008401c285ad$5b2b5c80$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <021106123522AH.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 06 November 2002 10:57, Paul Wilson wrote: > Carl, the fused side of the Gerbing's pigtail goes to the positive (hot) > side. I'm sure I have the battery ends in the right place. There are some who say that the black end should be grounded and not on the negative pole of the battery. Jumper cables for example. Red to positive, black to the frame of the car/bike. > The positive is the female part of the polarized trailer plug, while > the dangling, exposed male part is the negative. That being the case, > should the plug accidentally come into contact with the frame, you're not > blowing the fuse. So if the black end of the cable is hooked to ground and the male end of the pigtail touches the frame it'll short? I've been keeping the free end wrapped in plastic to protect it. It comes out from under the seat at the plastic centerpiece on the tank and it's fairly stiff so it's not flopping around but when I put the heat-troller on, the cables from it _are_ flopping around until I get it plugged into the jacket. > That and the Heat-Troller is polarity sensitive. Hope > that makes sense. > I'm sure I have the heat-troller plugged in correctly. > >From what you've described, it sounds to me like you have a defective > > Heat-Troller or a short somewhere in the gloves or liner. > Yea, when I got the gloves they came with the cable harness. I'm going to do the standard tech thing and take things out of the loop until I find the problem. I really only wanted gloves but I figured that I'd eventually want to use the jacket if it was extremly cold or if I was travelling (daughter lives on Boston). So it's seat off and full test. Then just jacket. Finally just gloves. I don't know if it'll work without an on/off switch of some sort but if it will, I'll try it without the heat-troller. > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F Thanks, Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 13:00:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6I0IO7002382; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:00:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6I0Hjc002372; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:00:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a501c285be$77453560$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Schelin" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20021106003248.41836.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> <021106063304A7.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <008401c285ad$5b2b5c80$bb82fea9@palladio1> <021106123522AH.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Gerbing's Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:00:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Gerbing's > On Wednesday 06 November 2002 10:57, Paul Wilson wrote: > > Carl, the fused side of the Gerbing's pigtail goes to the positive (hot) > > side. > > I'm sure I have the battery ends in the right place. There are some who say > that the black end should be grounded and not on the negative pole of the > battery. Jumper cables for example. Red to positive, black to the frame of > the car/bike. > Carl, The reason you do black to ground, away from the battery, when jumping is so the battery doesn't go ka-boom from the spark. Less of an issue with today's sealed batteries, but batteries can give off explosive hydrogen gas, so you want that spark far away. Something I learned as a wee lad at my father's knee. We always seemed to have crappy cages in need of frequent jump starts. :) No worries about the male end, it's already connected to the frame via the battery ground. My advice on the Gerbings is take the stuff back and let Morton's deal with it. You've done the DIY checks any owner can be reasonably expected to perform, and you've installed the pigtail correctly. Someone else can handle troubleshooting the potential defect. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 13:02:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6I2tO7002429; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:02:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6I2tlP002423; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:02:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007201c285be$c3844060$ab88db42@ALLOUTRACING> Reply-To: "Gary-All Out Racing" From: "Gary-All Out Racing" To: References: <3DC92060.8030604@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: sportbike movie Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:03:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 What movie is it that has all in a up roar???? Rough Riders?-Gary AOR > While I don't think this movie will do anything to the regular > motorcyclist, I believe any publicity is good publicity. Here's why - > aftermarket parts/gear. At fist it'll be stupid tack-on stuff. Then > it'll evolve as serious performace parts, increasing availibility, and > lower prices. At first it'll be more posers/squids, then over time the > real gear heads will show though. This is seems to have happened on the > cage side anyway. > > One can hope, > > Tom de '98 VTR > > > > Wayne Edelen wrote: > > >On 5 Nov 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > >>And, Gimer, if you think the multiple > >>award winning Fast & furious didn't > >>generate increased enforcement from almost > >>every LE agency that does traffic enforcement > >>in the US, you're in denial. > >> > >> > > > >Or you're just making up things to support your position. How do you > >prove this? You can't. > > > >I have not seen any add'l enforcement anywhere I drive post-F&F. I drive > >a car with a freakin' rollcage in it, 4" exhaust and questionable ;-) > >emissions legality. I think if anyone is going to be hassled, it would be > >me. 8-) > > > >I think we'll see the same results with this silly MC movie. More kids > >quoting incorrect stats and sniffing the seats of every sportbike they see > >posing at the local coffee shop. > > > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 13:09:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6I9MO7002491; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:09:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6I9M5W002485; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:09:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Paul Wilson" Subject: Re: Gerbing's Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:09:12 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20021106003248.41836.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> <021106123522AH.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <00a501c285be$77453560$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <00a501c285be$77453560$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <021106130912AK.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 06 November 2002 13:00, Paul Wilson wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Schelin" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: Gerbing's > > > On Wednesday 06 November 2002 10:57, Paul Wilson wrote: > > > Carl, the fused side of the Gerbing's pigtail goes to the positive > > > (hot) side. > > > > I'm sure I have the battery ends in the right place. There are some who > > say > > > that the black end should be grounded and not on the negative pole of the > > battery. Jumper cables for example. Red to positive, black to the frame > > of the car/bike. > > Carl, > > The reason you do black to ground, away from the battery, when jumping is > so the battery doesn't go ka-boom from the spark. Less of an issue with > today's sealed batteries, but batteries can give off explosive hydrogen > gas, so you want that spark far away. Something I learned as a wee lad at > my father's knee. We always seemed to have crappy cages in need of > frequent jump starts. :) > Yep, and that's what I remember about jumper cables. > No worries about the male end, it's already connected to the frame via the > battery ground. > > My advice on the Gerbings is take the stuff back and let Morton's deal with > it. You've done the DIY checks any owner can be reasonably expected to > perform, and you've installed the pigtail correctly. Someone else can > handle troubleshooting the potential defect. > I'm going to do the checks tonight, just as a final DIY but I'll take them back Saturday, or the piece that's actually broken. > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 Thanks again, Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 13:39:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6Id4O7002688; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:39:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6Id3t2002678; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:39:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021106183855.32146.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:38:55 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Cycle gear shops.... To: Carl Parker , DCCycles In-Reply-To: <3DC9436A.4D68A279@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Carl Parker wrote: > Anyone know a place that carries a good selection of > moto-wear? > Amungst other things, I'm looking to actually try on some > boots n' > stuff and if they have cool prices then I'd certainly buy > there. I'm > looking for Alpinestars, Oxtars, Sidis or something of > the sort. No > Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers stuff for me, just comfey > black leather > waterproof boots. > > Danke, > Carl who is also Carl only in Arlington > > P.S. > Plllease noone tell me to go to Coleman cuz' I've ben > there and their > selection is...juust a little on the anemic side. what? coleman in falls church has the best general selection of moto-gear in the area. cycles usa is probably next, followed by battley cycles f 'em all. measure your feet and order from newenough.com -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 13:53:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6IrnO7002859; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:53:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6Irm1p002854; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:53:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZuuNQGEVut/ijPFy27rZ3O4rVwtSa1fFV0IMuoeXukRG122/gMt4ExO85rk2HojZQ= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: Cycle gear shops.... Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: <00c101c285c5$d0a59800$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20021106183855.32146.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal I have to agree with Tom. www.newenough.com is da bomb. --jon -----Tom Gimer wrote: --- Carl Parker wrote: > Anyone know a place that carries a good selection of > moto-wear? > > P.S. > Plllease noone tell me to go to Coleman cuz' I've ben > there and their > selection is...juust a little on the anemic side. what? coleman in falls church has the best general selection of moto-gear in the area. cycles usa is probably next, followed by battley cycles f 'em all. measure your feet and order from newenough.com -- tg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 13:56:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6IuPO7002913; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:56:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6IuPuY002905; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:56:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <013401c285c6$3d413e60$ab88db42@ALLOUTRACING> Reply-To: "Gary-All Out Racing" From: "Gary-All Out Racing" To: References: <20021106181847.33303.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: sportbike movie Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:56:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I also heard that there is one coming out called Rough Riders-Staring Demzel Washington, he is in myrtle beach bike week and is framed for the murder of a rival gang member so they have to ride all they way back from myrtle beach to NYC-(sounds like the movie's "Warouries" remade into the 2000) century but on bikes, but from what AMA rag said it is supposed to be a good movie-Allot of action, riding & tricked out bikes-Time will tell-Gary AOR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" To: "Gary-All Out Racing" Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: Re: sportbike movie > Gary, > > It's a movie that's coming out some time next year > called "Biker Boyz." It stars Lawrence Fishburn and > seems to be about the sportbike stunting and street > racing scene. > > Chris > > --- Gary-All Out Racing > wrote: > > What movie is it that has all in a up roar???? Rough > > Riders?-Gary AOR > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 6 15:42:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6Kg1O7003663; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:42:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6Kfw49003646; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:41:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sportbike movie Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 20:41:36 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 23 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: Mlk6WjQ9SypYOyk/R1c+KD40NClbLVw2S1pgYVphOV9lPVFM Message-Id: <20021106204136.GMAC16189.mtiwmhc14.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc36> Aki Damme added: >and movies like this *help*? Remember how the public >went up in arms over the MTV show "Jackass"? And >why was that? Because there were idiots that were getting >*killed* trying those stunts. Speaking of "Jackass", I never quite understood the uproar. Idiot kids watch idiots making and idiotic show. Idiot kids attempt idiot stuts they saw on idiot show. Idiot kids die. Where is the problem? Un-survival of the least fit I say... The same argument applies with this new movie. Untrained squids will buy massively over-powered sport bikes and will either 1) crash and burn, or 2) will perform their stunts directly in front of LEO's, get arrested (or better yet run -- see 1 above) which will fill up said LEO's ticket quota for the month, which will make them less likely to pull the rest of us for minor speeding charges. If there are a few less idiots in the world, I am all for it. -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 7 04:57:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA79vwO7008695; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 04:57:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA79viR6008674; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 04:57:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9607EACFAE@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Harley to buy Ducati? Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 04:57:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hmmm... Would this mean that Eric Buell could possibly get a better motor than the boat anchor he is using now... Could be interesting if it does... -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 11/6/02 10:47 AM Subject: Re: Harley to buy Ducati? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > At 10:20 AM 11/6/02 -0500, dan wrote: > >http://www.amasuperbike.com/2002-Nov/021104c.htm > > This part of the article is hilarious - > > "... latest published rumors link Ducati with > Harley-Davidson, with the > American manufacturer swinging in to buy an > interest, or a controlling > interest, in Ducati for about $228 million US, or > about what Harley will > make in jacket sales this coming Christmas." > > :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 7 06:46:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA7Bk0O7009240; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:46:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA7BjxYA009230; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:45:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Gerbings Part II Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:45:49 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <021107064549AU.07826@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just a last little note. After testing last night, I found that the right glove was shorting out. I plugged in the harness and it blew. I plugged in just the right glove and heard sparking. A quick smell confirmed it. I came in this morning with the jacket and left glove plugged in. My left side is _still_ warmer than my right and I got here an hour ago. Thanks to everyone who offered advise. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 7 11:07:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA7G7MO7011294; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:07:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA7G7LHO011287; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:07:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14514FBA@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'EROGERS@XXXXXX'" Subject: Gerbing's Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:07:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain FWIW, I run my Gerbing gloves separate from the sweater. The sweater is hooked to the heat troller, the gloves to a switch mounted on the left mirror stalk within easy thumb reach. For warm toesies, Ed on SabMag had this suggestion: "For the toes, go ahead and wear your riding boots. Get a pair of zip-up totes and use them when riding in the cold, it makes a big difference and I've been doing it for years. A larger size totes works better as their shape leaves an air pocket at the front of the boot. Air is an excellent insulator. If its really cold, get a thick pair of winter socks (large!) and cut them off about where your foot arch is. Then slip them over the front of your riding boots and put the totes on over that. I can ride into the low teens with no problem. For the hands, the only thing I ever found that worked was electric gloves. (A windshield that covers your hands helps alot.) Ed R." Carl in Bethesda (headed for San Diego) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 7 14:48:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA7JmKO7013064; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:48:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA7JmJQX013054; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:48:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002301c28695$75cf8aa0$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: Thumper urge.. SRX-6 / MZ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:39:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 As I was searching for cheap light & slim commuter bike that can be used on track days as well, I came across some bike like MZ Skorpion Tour, a thumper with Yamaha's 660cc single. Suddenly a flash back of riding Yamaha SRX400 in my old days... Now I'm in search for a single cylinder bike like SRX-600 or MZ. Thumpers sucked on highways but super fun on the streets and twisties. I found a dealer in PA that sells MZ for $4k on www.cycletrader.com but wishing for something cheaper.... (well, since its new it does sounds like a good deal) Anybody know someone who wants to sell his/her Yamaha SRX-600 or MZ? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 7 18:54:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA7NsgO7014639; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:54:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA7NsfX0014629; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:54:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [138.88.84.254] From: "Marc Washington" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jaynik69@XXXXXX, jonschumer@XXXXXX Subject: The EBAY Bike and lister of year! Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 18:53:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2002 23:53:34.0762 (UTC) FILETIME=[E23E18A0:01C286B8] I can't even fathom how inbred this guy must be! http://listings.ebaymotors.com/pool1/plistings/endtoday/all/category6027/index.html?from=R4 Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 7 19:04:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA804oO7015418; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:04:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA804n6T015407; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:04:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:18:05 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: The EBAY Bike and lister of year! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Marc Washington wrote: > I can't even fathom how inbred this guy must be! > > http://listings.ebaymotors.com/pool1/plistings/endtoday/all/category6027/index.html?from=R4 > > Marc Washington > 88' Honda Hawk Do you mean this bike? - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871746134 It's ironic that you're insulting someone's intelligence, yet you have trouble pasting the proper URL. ;-) ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 7 19:06:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA806FO7015453; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:06:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA806FAe015447; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:06:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021107185103.00a52a60@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 18:52:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: The EBAY Bike and lister of year! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I guess you're talking about the guy selling the 'busa for $13,500? Your link just shows the list of Suzuki R4's. Carl At 06:53 PM 11/7/02 -0500, Marc Washington wrote: >I can't even fathom how inbred this guy must be! > >http://listings.ebaymotors.com/pool1/plistings/endtoday/all/category6027/index.html?from=R4 > > > >Marc Washington >88' Honda Hawk > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 7 19:08:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA808iO7015498; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:08:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA808i0i015488; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:08:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021107185319.00a2e0d0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 18:55:07 -0500 To: From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: The EBAY Bike and lister of year! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:18 PM 11/7/02 -0500, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Marc Washington wrote: > > > I can't even fathom how inbred this guy must be! > > > > > http://listings.ebaymotors.com/pool1/plistings/endtoday/all/category6027/index.html?from=R4 > > > > Marc Washington > > 88' Honda Hawk > >Do you mean this bike? - > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871746134 See, I thought it was http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871466184 >It's ironic that you're insulting someone's intelligence, yet you have >trouble pasting the proper URL. ;-) ;-) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 7 19:13:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA80D9O7015553; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:13:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA80D8nY015545; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:13:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:26:17 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: The EBAY Bike and lister of year! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021107185319.00a2e0d0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > >Do you mean this bike? - > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871746134 > > See, I thought it was > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871466184 I went to the 'fur' bike because it's a joke that's been posted on the Hayabusa message boards I read :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 7 19:16:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA80GxO7015603; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:16:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA80Gx5d015598; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:16:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021107190234.00a31ec0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 19:03:22 -0500 To: From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: The EBAY Bike and lister of year! In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021107185319.00a2e0d0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:26 PM 11/7/02 -0500, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > >Do you mean this bike? - > > > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871746134 > > > > See, I thought it was > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871466184 > >I went to the 'fur' bike because it's a joke that's been posted on the >Hayabusa message boards I read :-) And as a Harley rider, I went to the overpriced bike. I wonder what that says about us :-) >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 7 19:35:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA80ZFO7015720; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:35:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA80ZES5015712; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:35:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:34:56 EST Subject: Re: The EBAY Bike and lister of year! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Dear lord, I thought there was something wrong with my monitor, or the download. Then I realized what I was looking at. DAMN John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 7 19:45:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA80jRO7015796; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:45:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA80jQDw015788; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:45:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021108004524.23927.qmail@web20706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:45:24 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Thumper urge.. SRX-6 / MZ To: Shigeru Honda , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <002301c28695$75cf8aa0$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii heh, funny you should ask!! I have a SRX600 (electric start no less) mounted in a GS500e frame. It's a project bike (rolling chassie at the moment) and will need to have the electricals, controls, and exhuast and all that put on it. Essentially as is I'd let it go for around $1400. If you don't want to mess with building it yourself, I could probably be induced with a financial incentive to get off my butt and get cracking on it. I have a GSXR front-end I want to put on it but the even easier solution would be to put a stock GS front-end (ripped from my race bike) on it. I have a couple of exhuast options, fancy racing carbs and more. The original intent was to make it a super-singles race bike. ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 7 21:11:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA82BDO7016223; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:11:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA82BB3s016213; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:11:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00e501c286cb$538cba90$0b662c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Tour de DC update Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:05:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 The second annual running of the Tour de DC is scheduled for Sunday, Nov. 17th. Patti is hard a work finding us a brunch spot and I've been toying with some routes. I've heard from a lot folks privately and just wanted to let everyone know the ride is still on. Tentatively, we'll start an a brunch spot, then make a 3-hour loop through the city, with a couple of stops at places of interest. Stay tuned.... Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 8 07:35:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA8CZeO7020709; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:35:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA8CZYRY020694; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:35:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:35:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200211080735.AA39256504@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "DC-CYCLES" , "Paul Wilson" Subject: Re: Tour de DC update X-Mailer: a three-hour-tour ... a three-hour-tour ... Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Paul Wilson" Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:05:34 -0500 >The second annual running of the Tour de DC is scheduled for Sunday, Nov. >17th. Patti is hard a work finding us a brunch spot and I've been toying >with some routes. I've heard from a lot folks privately and just wanted to >let everyone know the ride is still on. > >Tentatively, we'll start an a brunch spot, then make a 3-hour loop through >the city, with a couple of stops at places of interest. Stay tuned.... > >Paul in DC > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 8 08:05:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA8D5BO7020927; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:05:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA8D5BL1020920; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:05:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: Tour de DC update Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:04:59 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <200211080735.AA39256504@mail.toward.com> In-Reply-To: <200211080735.AA39256504@mail.toward.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02110808045909.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit And of course, today's comics have nothing to do with it. "Doesn't anybody get voted off?" Carl On Friday 08 November 2002 07:35, Chris Norloff wrote: > a three-hour-tour ... a three-hour-tour ... > > Chris Norloff > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Paul Wilson" > Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:05:34 -0500 > > >The second annual running of the Tour de DC is scheduled for Sunday, Nov. > >17th. Patti is hard a work finding us a brunch spot and I've been toying > >with some routes. I've heard from a lot folks privately and just wanted > > to let everyone know the ride is still on. > > > >Tentatively, we'll start an a brunch spot, then make a 3-hour loop through > >the city, with a couple of stops at places of interest. Stay tuned.... > > > >Paul in DC -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 8 09:34:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA8EYCO7021352; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:34:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA8EYBZk021342; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:34:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021108093312.02129690@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 09:34:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Jimmy B would be proud Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Landshark http://www.landshark.co.uk/ ...I would like to show you the worlds fastest and neatest amphibious vehicle. (Land 200 mph/water 50 mph).... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 8 10:43:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA8FhVO7021712; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:43:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA8FhU3W021702; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:43:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 10:42:17 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tour de DC update MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0352DEE0.72440281.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The ship set ground on the shore of this uncharted desert isle with....Hooligan....;-) In a message dated 11/8/2002 7:35:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > > > a three-hour-tour ... a three-hour-tour ... > > Chris Norloff > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Paul Wilson" > Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:05:34 -0500 > > >The second annual running of the Tour de DC is scheduled for Sunday, Nov. > >17th. Patti is hard a work finding us a brunch spot and I've been toying > >with some routes. I've heard from a lot folks privately and just wanted to > >let everyone know the ride is still on. > > > >Tentatively, we'll start an a brunch spot, then make a 3-hour loop through > >the city, with a couple of stops at places of interest. > Stay tuned.... > > > >Paul in DC > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 8 10:52:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA8FqhO7021898; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:52:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA8Fqh8G021893; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:52:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] From: "Rob Keiser" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tour de DC update Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 10:51:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2002 15:51:36.0086 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7C81360:01C2873E] Oh, I didn't know George Cole was going?! ;) (sorry, couldn't resist) Rob '98 VFR800 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tour de DC update Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 10:42:17 -0500 The ship set ground on the shore of this uncharted desert isle with....Hooligan....;-) In a message dated 11/8/2002 7:35:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > > > a three-hour-tour ... a three-hour-tour ... > > Chris Norloff > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Paul Wilson" > Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:05:34 -0500 > > >The second annual running of the Tour de DC is scheduled for Sunday, Nov. > >17th. Patti is hard a work finding us a brunch spot and I've been toying > >with some routes. I've heard from a lot folks privately and just wanted to > >let everyone know the ride is still on. > > > >Tentatively, we'll start an a brunch spot, then make a 3-hour loop through > >the city, with a couple of stops at places of interest. > Stay tuned.... > > > >Paul in DC > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 8 11:33:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA8GX7O7022170; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:33:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA8GX7gl022166; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:33:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: Tour de DC update Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:29:00 -0600 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230820FF2E@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Tour de DC update Thread-Index: AcKHRHMwCPnmui00Q1CCTRHQ/qhcsg== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gA8GX5O7022154 Wait a fricken minute...? Rob is giving me a bad rep. >>> Rob Keiser 11/08/02 10:51AM >>> Oh, I didn't know George Cole was going?! ;) (sorry, couldn't resist) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 8 11:38:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA8GciO7022237; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:38:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA8Gci4F022229; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:38:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] From: "Rob Keiser" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tour de DC update Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:38:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2002 16:38:36.0630 (UTC) FILETIME=[48F4EF60:01C28745] No, I'm just jealous that my front tires have about the same miles as my rear tires! ;) From: To: , Subject: Re: Tour de DC update Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:29:00 -0600 Wait a fricken minute...? Rob is giving me a bad rep. >>> Rob Keiser 11/08/02 10:51AM >>> Oh, I didn't know George Cole was going?! ;) (sorry, couldn't resist) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 8 11:46:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA8Gk1O7022322; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:46:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA8Gjwhe022305; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:45:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021108164555.29206.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:45:55 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Tour de DC update To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Now you know why George gets 1k miles out of his rear tires and 20k out of his fronts. :^) Chris --- Rob Keiser wrote: > No, I'm just jealous that my front tires have about > the same miles as my > rear tires! > > ;) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 8 18:10:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA8NAdO7025079; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:10:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA8NAZuw025069; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:10:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:09:09 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: Allen Caldwell , biglj@XXXXXX, catherine.ctr.austin@XXXXXX, claudecaldwell@XXXXXX, contact@XXXXXX, cwu@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Richard & Clara Caldwell , demayo25@XXXXXX, DR650@XXXXXX, esande@XXXXXX, Gtooss@XXXXXX, jendavw@XXXXXX, KBNEAL1776@XXXXXX, kloggr@XXXXXX, luchy-86@XXXXXX, mackatsea@XXXXXX, mike_h@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX, prenauld@XXXXXX, sales@XXXXXX, spencerar@XXXXXX, srichards@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX, WSDYMF@XXXXXX Subject: tour update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Acapulco Mexico to Antigua Guatemala http://www.twowheelsgood.net/twowheelsgood/americas/americas.html If you wish to contact me please respond directly to this email or use one of the links on my site Thanks, Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net Proudly sponsored by Loudoun Motorsports http://www.loudounmotorsports.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 8 22:06:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA936SO7027119; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:06:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA936RsY027109; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:06:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <410-220021169313516@earthlink.net> X-Priority: Reply-To: mjordan812@XXXXXX X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2003.1.12.0 (Windows) From: "Michael Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Thumper urge.. SRX-6 / MZ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:01:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c260923cad5cb416c73dedef924a90de361c1387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > Anybody know someone who wants to sell his/her Yamaha SRX-600 or MZ? Nope - I'm keeping my SRX-6, but it sound like a good deal on the MZ Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 9 08:06:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA9D66O7029879; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 08:06:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA9D63HV029864; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 08:06:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <022701c287f1$f7f1c400$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Fish Flowers" , "Paul Wilson" Cc: "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Paying tolls Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 08:14:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In Maryland the equivalent to EZPass is known as MTAG. Transponder mounting devices should be available from MTA that are suitable for motorcycles. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" To: "Paul Wilson" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: Re: Paying tolls > On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > > > Three syllables - E Z Pass. You even get a discount in Delaware for > > using it: $1.25 as opposed to $2.00. > > Hmm. No windshield to attach it to, though. (I carry and use EZPass in my > cage -- could I use the same unit on the motorcycle, if I could figure out > a way to attach it?) > > > Clinton Cycles carries Sidis, no? > > Dunno. Where is it? > > Fish. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 9 10:41:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA9FfpO7030505; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:41:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA9Ffo1k030495; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:41:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006d01c28806$7ac55810$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "Master Thomas Staney/S. Russell" From: "Master Thomas Staney/S. Russell" To: "Kathleen Loerich" , "Fish Flowers" , "Paul Wilson" Cc: "DC-Cycles" References: <022701c287f1$f7f1c400$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> Subject: Re: Paying tolls Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:41:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Just got my M-Tag, works great for cage and motorcycles. I have begun to use it a lot, it drops my useage down to about 60 cents a toll so far. The transponder is universal from cage to cycle. The only thing is finding a place on the cycle to let it sense. Scott Russell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Fish Flowers" ; "Paul Wilson" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 8:14 AM Subject: Re: Paying tolls > In Maryland the equivalent to EZPass is known as MTAG. Transponder mounting > devices should be available from MTA that are suitable for motorcycles. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fish Flowers" > To: "Paul Wilson" > Cc: "DC-Cycles" > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 12:01 PM > Subject: Re: Paying tolls > > > > On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > > Three syllables - E Z Pass. You even get a discount in Delaware for > > > using it: $1.25 as opposed to $2.00. > > > > Hmm. No windshield to attach it to, though. (I carry and use EZPass in my > > cage -- could I use the same unit on the motorcycle, if I could figure out > > a way to attach it?) > > > > > Clinton Cycles carries Sidis, no? > > > > Dunno. Where is it? > > > > Fish. > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 9 20:31:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAA1VaO7001814; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:31:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAA1VZeW001804; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:31:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004001c28857$2c213020$c96c5c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Drummings about the tribes to the north Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:19:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 >From the 11/9 'The Philadelphia Inquirer' Bikers turn tables, get the law on their side A U.S. judge approved an agreement to let the Warlocks motorcycle gang join a Toys for Tots convoy tomorrow http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/cities_nei ghborhoods/philadelphia/4478696.htm (Archive access apparently unencumbered for 7 days) Refreshing. Just up the road a piece -- a diverse set of issues. This at the federal level, for those itchy for combat. Note the club listing, probably not found in many other sources. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Rather proud of my mid-cruiser profile Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 9 21:08:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAA28WO7002017; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:08:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAA28Wfq002009; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:08:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004801c2885c$56756c60$c96c5c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: E-Z Pass / Car Sharing Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:56:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 For those who take exception to all these headsups from The Philadelphia Inquirer, blast away. But one poignant piece after another popped up (just happened to be finishing a business trip there). o Because E . . . seems on topic once again, this rather interesting meaty editorial: Not so E-ZPast Fixes needed for toll system's future. http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/2002/11/08/news/editorial/4470071.htm o And with the sour taste of unsolved traffic mess due to remain for a while (the resounding 1/2c "No"), carsharing may become the tasty uptrend here as it seems to be in Phila and NYC. Auto-share venture debuts here http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/cities_nei ghborhoods/philadelphia/4478699.htm Need a car for an hour? It's yours http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/front/4478663.htm Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > I want my own satellitenews terminal Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 10 20:38:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAB1cqO7021631; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:38:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAB1cmOX021623; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:38:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02f001c28921$b0a19220$ae662c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: DC Cycles Tour de DC update Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:28:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Thanks to Patti, we are scheduled for brunch at TomTom, 2333 18th St. NW, one very long block south of Columbia Road, on the East side, in Adams Morgan. We will try to have bike parking roped off in front of this establishment. Phone is 202-518-6667 The restaurant has asked for a rough guesstimate of a headcount by Friday, so if you want to do brunch, let me know. Or, you can plan to just show up for a 12:30 "sidestands up" for our "three-hour tour." One of my respondents remarked how we can spend all that time. Well, we'll make a couple of stops and we will be venturing through all 8 wards and parts of MD. Let me know off list if you're a firm or a maybe so we can let the restaurant know what kind of crowd (size crowd, I should say, I can't speak for your character! LOL) they can expect. If you don't like the weather, we're doing this rain or shine or cold. At least come eat! Just park your cage around the corner. :) More details as they are available and I should have the route finalized in a day or two. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 10 20:49:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAB1nSO7021705; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:49:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAB1nSBr021697; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:49:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <030201c28923$2a699b60$ae662c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "VFR Mailing list" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Tobacco Road Rally report (long) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:39:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Not unlike eating whole pints of Ben and Jerry's in one sitting, this could be habit forming. Coming in next to last, that is. Just like the Palmetto Ramble back in the spring. This year's running of the 12-hour Tobacco Road Rally would be my second endurance rally. My friend Tom mentioned this rally some time ago. As usual, I hemmed and hawed until the last possible second and decided to throw my hat in the ring. For the record, I have a 1995 VFR750, set up in full touring mode with Givi cases, a ScottOiler, throttle lock, eTrex GPS and a few other trinkets. It also has a Micron slip-on exhaust and aftermarket suspension. Great for touring the country, and tearing up the back roads, but 12 hours in the saddle on three hours sleep whilst hunting for obscure locations? Hmm. Or maybe it's the rider after all. I do like to put in the miles, when my wife lets me out of the house. And she lets me out a lot. I've hit 25 states this year. OK, on with the sordid tale. On Friday I scooted out of the office about 12:15 and arrived in Garner, NC about 4:30 and immediately went on the odometer check loop, which included the World's Most Impossible Left Turn. No signal, lots of oncoming cars. Perhaps our Rallymaster's whimsy at work already? A portent of things to come? Anyway, we got our rally books, circled the bonuses on the map and then Tom and I retired to the Cracker Barrel to plot strategy. The bonuses were conveniently divided into Eastern and Western zones, with a twist: a tripling of your highest bonus for getting a bonus in both zones. Problem was: the Eastern and Western zones were 200 miles apart at the closest points. I fussed and fiddled with the map and still didn't have a firm plan before hitting the sack. So, consequently, I slipped into a fitful and tortured sleep full of portents of missed ferries, mountain roads chockablock with leaf-peeping morons, hours and hours on the soporific slab of I-40, daisy-pickers clogging the roads at the shore, etc. Tentatively, I had planned to hit the mountains, but I got up at 4:30 and ditched that, in favor of a more leisurely and touristic route to the East, what I called my NFF Route. No -- Ferries. The middle 'F' rhymes with trucking. Somehow I had got it into my fevered brain that I needed to hit five bonus locations to finish, (this turned out to be erroneous) so my first stop would be Speed, NC, and its measly ten points, followed by several more worthwhile places on the shore north and south of Nags Head. Not a winner, probably, unless the Western half of the state seceded and put up road blocks fortified with shotgun-wielding locals, but enough to fill my day and get back to Tobacco Road HQ at Garner in plenty of time with a respectable score. Besides, I'd never been to that part of NC on a bike, so what the heck. My number one thought was: no matter how miserable my score, it's better than a DNF (Did Not Finish). And we're off at 0530. I decided to collect the extra 750 points and not join the early-birds at 0400. The trip got off to a hair-raising start. A few miles from the hotel, one of Bambi's kinfolk almost brought the trip to a sudden and dramatic end in an explosion of Viffer-plastic and deer entrails followed by asphalt surfing. But, he, she (our encounter was so fleeting) bounded off at just the right second. I didn't see more the back half of the deer, it jumped in front of me that quickly. That certainly cleared my head. The rest of the trip to Speed was less eventful. At Speed off the bike in less than 2 minutes and ready to head east. That's when I began to adjust my plans a little. Nothing like having two hours on the bike to think. At this point, I decided to abandon the NFF strategy and go for the Big Kahuna, Ocracoke Lighthouse's mammoth 5500 points, the biggest single bonus of the Rally. There's a reason for that: it requires two ferry rides. For it to work I had to catch the 11 o'clock Hatteras ferry and the 12:30 Ocracoke-Swan Quarter Ferry. So I collected my shore bonuses (I was questioned by the Park Rangers at Hatteras, who were concerned about me and the bike) and got to the ferry about 10:40. Bikes to the front. Sweet. There I met a fellow rally rider from Northern Va., whose name I have already blanked, and a couple of 'Wingers and their wives out for a weekend spin. So, off to Ocracoke Island and a line of butt-slow cagers. Just how many cages can there be on this island that has no mainland bridges?? We got the end of the island and the lighthouse is clearly visible coming into town. Our Rallymaster cheekily remarked in the book, "if you can't find the lighthouse you might consider another hobby," or words to that effect. Ha ha. You can see the damn thing from way outside town, but get in town amongst the buildings and it disappears from view. Bugger. Our task was to find a view of the lighthouse, so as to photograph it with our rally flags. So some sniffing around the back lanes was required. We finally found the right shot, nailed it and zipped over to the ferry dock. The ticket seller asked, "Are you a NC resident?" Thoughts race through my hunger-addled brain. Do in-staters get first dibs on spots? We will be let on? Should I lie? Would lying constitute a breach of state law that we had been sternly advised against doing? Turns out it had only to do with the fare. Whew. We made the ferry and settled in for a two and a half hour voyage across Pamlico Sound. The ferry was very relaxing and both of us caught some sleep at the luxurious accommodations of the on-board Ironbutt Motel. There was one worrisome aspect though, the trip was taking longer than the advertised 150 minutes. It was close to three hours in fact. The ferry must be running against the tide. Those missing twenty minutes were golden. My goal now was to avoid the dreaded DNF. My companion stopped for gas, but I pressed on. The trip back to Garner was, how shall I put it, done at a persistent pace, with one 90-second gas stop. Pay at the Pump is a godsend. I rolled into the Woman's Club finish point at 17:53, earning a big juicy 4600-point slice of humble pie for being 23 minutes late. And, like a rookie pilot making his first carrier landing, I missed the club on the first pass despite frantic waving from our esteemed Rallymaster and had to make another pass. But, I met my late in the day goal and missed being time-barred by a mere 7 minutes. Still, Ocracoke got me 5500 points, more than I lost for being late, so it was still worth throwing caution to the winds, scrapping my conservative route and going for it. I put in 455 miles, while the top finishers put in more than 700. Spending more than a quarter of the Rally zooming along at 10 knots on the state's ferry boats will do that. Disappointing finish aside, I could think of much worse ways to spend a Saturday and I enjoyed touring through a big swath of the Tarheel State and you couldn't ask for better weather and scenery. Thanks to all who organized the event. Well done! And congratulations to Tom, who did very well, pulling down 5th place. Proper planning, persistence and getting up at 3:30 pays off I guess. I had a great trip back to DC, cruising the back roads up to Emporia, Va., including a stop at the Good Earth Peanut Co. I also made pit stops in Petersburg and Richmond to nail a couple of National Parks Master Traveler sites. A beautiful weekend. I has actually getting hot in the my gear on the way back. Paul in DC 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 11 07:24:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gABCOgO7024732; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:24:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gABCOdlY024725; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:24:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DCFA184.7090904@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:24:36 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride in? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, cold is one thing, cold and rain is bit worse. But anybody ride in the storm/tornad today? Tom De '98 VTR (who didn't ride in) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 11 09:16:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gABEGZO7025455; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:16:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gABEGYPI025445; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:16:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021111141632.86510.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:16:32 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Ride in? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3DCFA184.7090904@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I didn't ride in, but that's because I have the day off. :^P Chris Weaver --- Tom de wrote: > Ok, cold is one thing, cold and rain is bit worse. > But anybody ride in > the storm/tornad today? > > Tom De '98 VTR (who didn't ride in) > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 11 09:19:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gABEJJO7025491; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:19:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gABEJJX0025484; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:19:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004401c2898d$7f87de80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Tour de DC - Brunch is at 11 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:14:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Whoops, that's what I get for emailing after a long weekend and a glass or two of wine. I left out a crucial bit of information. Brunch is at 11:00 at TomTom, 2333 18th St. NW. Ride starts at 12:30. The ride is this Sunday, the 17th. I will post directions for MoCo., PG and NoVa. riders. Hope to see some familiar and new faces. Paul From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 11 09:19:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gABEJTO7025521; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:19:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gABEJT0j025516; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:19:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004501c2898d$859f5140$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Tom de" , References: <3DCFA184.7090904@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Ride in? Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:20:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yep, but the tornado warning was canceled by the time I got on the bike. Paul in DC < To: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 7:24 AM Subject: Ride in? > Ok, cold is one thing, cold and rain is bit worse. But anybody ride in > the storm/tornad today? > > Tom De '98 VTR (who didn't ride in) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 11 09:19:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gABEJXO7025559; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:19:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gABEJX4o025553; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:19:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021111141931.72721.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:19:31 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Ride in? To: Tom de Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3DCFA184.7090904@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yep. Not too bad. Two things to watch for in DC. 1. Wet leaves 2. Clogged sewer drains and the deep water around them. Ride Safe --- Tom de wrote: > Ok, cold is one thing, cold and rain is bit worse. > But anybody ride in > the storm/tornad today? > > Tom De '98 VTR (who didn't ride in) > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 11 09:24:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gABEOEO7025612; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:24:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gABEODj7025604; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:24:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021111142411.69486.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:24:11 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: DC Cycles Tour de DC update To: Paul Wilson , DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: <02f001c28921$b0a19220$ae662c42@D7XFG711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Paul: Barring a real banger on Saturday night, I should be there. Mark --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Thanks to Patti, we are scheduled for brunch at > TomTom, 2333 18th St. NW, > one very long block south of Columbia Road, on the > East side, in Adams > Morgan. We will try to have bike parking roped off > in front of this > establishment. Phone is 202-518-6667 > > The restaurant has asked for a rough guesstimate of > a headcount by Friday, > so if you want to do brunch, let me know. Or, you > can plan to just show up > for a 12:30 "sidestands up" for our "three-hour > tour." One of my > respondents remarked how we can spend all that time. > Well, we'll make a > couple of stops and we will be venturing through all > 8 wards and parts of > MD. > > Let me know off list if you're a firm or a maybe so > we can let the > restaurant know what kind of crowd (size crowd, I > should say, I can't speak > for your character! LOL) they can expect. If you > don't like the weather, > we're doing this rain or shine or cold. At least > come eat! Just park your > cage around the corner. :) > > More details as they are available and I should have > the route finalized in > a day or two. > > Paul in DC > > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 11 09:38:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gABEckO7025739; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:38:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gABEcjZP025731; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:38:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:41:03 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mobacc@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Drummings about the tribes to the north MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <540E6FF7.09AF734C.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Too bad the police decided to show up and ruin it anyway. There's an article about it on the same site today. Scooter In a message dated 11/9/2002 8:19:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, mobacc@XXXXXX writes: > > > From the 11/9 'The Philadelphia Inquirer' > > Bikers turn tables, get the law on their side > A U.S. judge approved an agreement to let the Warlocks motorcycle gang join > a Toys for Tots convoy tomorrow > http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/cities_nei > ghborhoods/philadelphia/4478696.htm > > (Archive access apparently unencumbered for 7 days) > > > Refreshing. Just up the road a piece -- a diverse set of issues. This at > the federal level, for those itchy for combat. Note the > club listing, > probably not found in many other sources. > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 > Rather proud of my mid-cruiser profile > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 11 09:44:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gABEioO7025792; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:44:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gABEioCN025784; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:44:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021111144447.513.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:44:47 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Ride in? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3DCFA184.7090904@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Darn, you caught me. The feds claim today is a holiday, so I didn't ride. Even worse, I've been in a cage already today; had to go to Safeway and pick up 32 12-packs of soda so the family has something to drink during the week-long party for my daughter's wedding. Leon. --- Tom de wrote: > Ok, cold is one thing, cold and rain is bit worse. > But anybody ride in > the storm/tornad today? > > Tom De '98 VTR (who didn't ride in) > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 11 09:46:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gABEkBO7025842; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:46:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gABEkA5C025835; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:46:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:44:47 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mobacc@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: E-Z Pass / Car Sharing MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5BB33FA7.73B4013C.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Believe it or not, DC actually has a car-sharing system in place. I've seen it advertised on Metro. www.flexcar.com. I have a car so, I don't need to borrow one but, this seems like a good thing. Scooter In a message dated 11/9/2002 8:56:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, mobacc@XXXXXX writes: > > > For those who take exception to all these headsups from The Philadelphia > Inquirer, blast away. But one poignant piece after another popped up (just > happened to be finishing a business trip there). > > > o Because E . . . seems on topic once again, this rather interesting meaty > editorial: > > Not so E-ZPast > Fixes needed for toll system's future. > http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/2002/11/08/news/editorial/4470071.htm > > > > o And with the sour taste of unsolved traffic mess due to remain for a > while (the resounding 1/2c "No"), carsharing may become the tasty uptrend > here as it seems to be in Phila and NYC. > > Auto-share venture debuts here > http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsyl > vania/cities_nei > ghborhoods/philadelphia/4478699.htm > > Need a car for an hour? It's yours > http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/front/4478663.htm > > > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 > I want my own satellitenews terminal > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 11 13:38:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gABIchO7027230; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:38:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gABIcgME027223; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:38:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:38:33 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Ride in? To: Leon Begeman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3DCFF929.5D9D5418@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021111144447.513.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Leon Begeman wrote: > > Darn, you caught me. The feds claim today is a > holiday, so I didn't ride. Even worse, I've been in a > cage already today; had to go to Safeway and pick up > 32 12-packs of soda You mean you can't fit all that in the Rubbermaid box? :) > the family has something to drink during the week-long > party for my daughter's wedding. Aroo? You guys must be *really* glad she's getting married or something. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 11 20:33:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAC1XvO7030788; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:33:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAC1XukO030777; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:33:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021112013349.16429.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "Gerald Hubbard" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:33:49 -0500 Subject: Re: E-Z Pass / Car Sharing X-Originating-Ip: 141.156.219.41 X-Originating-Server: ws3-3.us4.outblaze.com DC has ZIPCAR and FLEXCAR for those times when you just need a car. I use www.zipcar.com. More expensive than Enterprise, but extremely convenient. I live in Clarendon and have the choice of a VW beetle in Balston, a Toyoto Matrix in Clarendon, or a VW Jetta at Courthouse. All within a 5 minute walk. Easy to make reservations and typically available for short times/trips. I walk up to the car, flash my RFID card, doors unlock, and drive away. Return is just as easy. I've used them 3 times in the last 60 days. Much cheaper than having a personal car sitting in the drive depreciating. Gerald >>> Believe it or not, DC actually has a car-sharing system in place. I've seen it advertised on Metro. www.flexcar.com. I have a car so, I don't need to borrow one but, this seems like a good thing. Scooter -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Single & ready to mingle? lavalife.com: Where singles click. Free to Search! http://www.lavalife.com/mailcom.epl?a=2116 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 11 22:41:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAC3f9O7031382; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:41:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAC3f731031372; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:41:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Da bears Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 03:40:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2002 03:40:02.0474 (UTC) FILETIME=[2ECD68A0:01C289FD] Wow, reminds me of 2 questions one would ALWAYS ask when buying a used (ahem pre-owned) HD.... Remember this was like the 70's and 80's... Clean title? Do the numbers match? These were primarly asked because of the impending confiscation by the authorities if the numbers were funny. You were just better off making sure. Bikers turn tables, get the law on their side >A U.S. judge approved an agreement to let the Warlocks motorcycle gang join >a Toys for Tots convoy tomorrow >http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/cities_nei >ghborhoods/philadelphia/4478696.htm > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 06:09:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACB9GO7001098; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 06:09:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACB9CfZ001078; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 06:09:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Tom de , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride in? Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 06:08:58 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" References: <3DCFA184.7090904@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3DCFA184.7090904@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211120608580M.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 11 November 2002 07:24, Tom de wrote: > Ok, cold is one thing, cold and rain is bit worse. But anybody ride in > the storm/tornad today? > > Tom De '98 VTR (who didn't ride in) Not me. We were configuring/gaming all day. Starcraft and a Red Alert 2 attempt along with the requisite 2 hours of getting set up. I'd upgraded my computer Friday night (new motherboard, cpu, memory, and video). Since I have XP, I had to call Microsoft and speak to a customer service rep to reinitialize. And of course, Microsh$t XP doesn't play well with Winblowz 98 so I spent another hour getting my old hardware working in one of my backup Win 98 systems. Mainly loading drivers for the hardware. And one of the guys brought his laptop with only a wireless card. I have a wireless router but because I had to reinitialize XP, I didn't have access to the router. He used my laptop so no big loss there. I got the router working later last night. Since we couldn't get IPX working between XP and 98, we ran Starcraft in UDP mode which sucked big time. Two aborted attempts at Starcraft and I was working on my old hardware. One of the guys kept trying to get RA2 patched to be at our level and was having trouble. He eventually got it patched but it wouldn't run on his laptop. Eventually we aborted and went back to Starcraft. We got three games of Starcraft and one aborted attempt at Red Alert 2. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 08:07:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACD7sO7001652; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:07:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACD7res001642; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:07:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DD0FD18.9000209@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:07:36 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride in? References: <3DCFA184.7090904@yahoo.com> <0211120608580M.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know you know the answer to your microsoft problems ;) Tom de '98 VTR - 95% Microsoftless since '91 (5% - ya gotta game) Carl Schelin wrote: >On Monday 11 November 2002 07:24, Tom de wrote: > > >> >> > Since I have XP, I had to call Microsoft and speak to a customer >service rep to reinitialize. And of course, Microsh$t XP doesn't play well >with Winblowz 98 so I spent another hour getting my old hardware working in >one of my backup Win 98 systems. Mainly loading drivers for the hardware. > > > I had to reinitialize XP, I didn't have access to >the router. > >Since we couldn't get IPX working between XP and 98, > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 08:12:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACDCcO7001703; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:12:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACDCcu8001696; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:12:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Tom de Subject: Re: Ride in? Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:12:30 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <3DCFA184.7090904@yahoo.com> <0211120608580M.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3DD0FD18.9000209@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3DD0FD18.9000209@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211120812300R.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yea, but at home that's pretty much all I do. In the mix of computers at home, I have a Mandrake gateway/web server and a Sun Enterprise 1000E for general dicking around. At work though, no Windows boxes. Mandrake here and Solaris on my Ultra 5. Gotta have my games though. Carl On Tuesday 12 November 2002 08:07, Tom de wrote: > I know you know the answer to your microsoft problems ;) > > Tom de '98 VTR - 95% Microsoftless since '91 (5% - ya gotta game) > > Carl Schelin wrote: > >On Monday 11 November 2002 07:24, Tom de wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Since I have XP, I had to call Microsoft and speak to a customer > >service rep to reinitialize. And of course, Microsh$t XP doesn't play well > >with Winblowz 98 so I spent another hour getting my old hardware working > > in one of my backup Win 98 systems. Mainly loading drivers for the > > hardware. > > > > > > > > I had to reinitialize XP, I didn't have access to > >the router. > > > >Since we couldn't get IPX working between XP and 98, -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 11:21:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACGLlO7002668; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:21:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACGLjNM002658; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:21:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021112162140.8903.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:21:40 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: E-Z Pass / Car Sharing To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021112013349.16429.qmail@email.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I guess this depends on how much you pay for that car. If its new then I agree but if you don't need a car that often you can get a beeter for less then $1K and insure it for cheap. Ask the snipers, their car was $250! Glenn --- Gerald Hubbard wrote: > I've used them 3 times in the last 60 days. Much > cheaper than having a personal car sitting in the > drive depreciating. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 11:51:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACGpDO7002885; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:51:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACGpBMR002870; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:51:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021112165108.58658.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:51:08 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: SPAM: Ashburn Townhouse FS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [Apologies for the spam. Hopefully those of you who hate it will have filters on the subject line] Sally and I are selling our house and movin' on up. If you or someone you know is looking for a townhouse in Ashburn, please take a look. No photos on the link yet, but there will be soon. http://www.homesdatabase.com/erickutch/cgi-bin/aa.fcgi?+Z289c2hvdyZtbHM9MTQ1MzA5MyZybj0xJnQ9MCZucHA9OA== Two bedrooms (master suites); 2 full baths; 1 half bath; hardwood floors on main level; deck; gas fireplace; custom plantation shutters and wood blinds; built in book shelves/entertainment center; backs to trees/common area; upgraded oven and microwave (GE); Honeywell programmable thermostat; Vector security system; wired for cable TV (3 connection points) and high speed cable internet access; walk out basement; huge storage area (big enough for two bikes and a ton of gear!) ...Convenient to Dulles toll road/Greenway, shopping, W&OD Trail and lots of GREAT MOTORCYCLING ROADS!!! :^) Chris & Sally Weaver '01 SV & '01 YZF __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 12:11:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACHBmO7003140; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:11:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACHBmnt003132; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:11:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F69CA@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC? Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:11:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Objective: Buy a pair of riding pants. Criteria: Textile, waterproof, armor, overpant style, full-length leg zippers and under $200.00. Choices: Joe Rocket Ballistic 4.0, First Gear HyperTex, Tourmaster Cortech. Experience: Manassas Honda: First call, pants in stock, unable to get there that day. Call back next weekend to be sure, turns out they aren't Hypertex, they're the Granite pants. Saved a long car trip with a screaming 1 year old for nothing, should be grateful. Colemans Falls Church: Had no idea what pants Joe Rocket made, don't carry the other brands. Had to explain to the staff that there are two versions, 3.0 and 4.0, all 4.0's are stuck in Long Beach due to longshoreman's strike. Salesperson disn't know there were any other pants besides the Meteors. (side note: why is the most left-leaning union in America, one who once included amongst it's members the president of the Communist party of America, not politically correct and calling themselves the longshoreperson's union? ) Cycle Accessory Discounters: Was seriously told by staff member that I should go to their competitor down the street, try on what they had to find the right fit and then come back and order from them for the lowest price. Battley's: They don't carry TourMaster even though the company web site says that they are a dealer. Fastlane Cycles: They had none of my choices, however, they are a dealer for Wintex gear. None of the gear except for a few leather racesuits is in stock, which is understandable, but to get one of the other items, I am responsible for sizing and would pay a restocking fee as well as shipping if I don't want to keep it. I thought the whole world lived like this until I was in Phoenix and visited Cycle Gear, a chain of west coast shops. Their selection made all of the dealers in the metro area combined look like a weekend garage sale. They carried at least 5 different brands of pants, all top brands you've actually heard of; the models featured a full range of sizes and a generous return policy. Too bad they won't expand here soon (I asked, I even offered to pay for it.) It looks like Internet shopping is the only way to go. End of rant. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Washington, DC Do You Yahoo!? - I used to but now I just moan. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 12:13:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACHDvO7003181; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:13:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACHDu4W003175; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:13:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <038801c28a6f$0291aea0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mark Kitchell" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <20021111141931.72721.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Ride in? Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:13:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Those raised painted crosswalk stripes + wet leaf mash = icky poo Had a little "butt clench moment" rounding a corner in my 'hood this AM. The leaf cleaner-uppers seem to be taking a sabbatical in our part of town and the leaves all came down at once. OT, but wet leaves are not just an annoyance to motorists. http://www.nj.com/newsflash/jersey/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.ssf?/cgi-f ree/getstory_ssf.cgi?j0112_BC_NJ--NJTransit-Leaves&&news&newsflash-newjersey Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > > Two things to watch for in DC. > > 1. Wet leaves > 2. Clogged sewer drains and the deep water around > them. > > Ride Safe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 12:16:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACHG3O7003229; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:16:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACHG2uR003222; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:16:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'bernescut@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC? Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:15:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Hey you might want to try newenough.com they are good and have great prices. -----Original Message----- From: bernescut@XXXXXX [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:12 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC? Objective: Buy a pair of riding pants. Criteria: Textile, waterproof, armor, overpant style, full-length leg zippers and under $200.00. Choices: Joe Rocket Ballistic 4.0, First Gear HyperTex, Tourmaster Cortech. Experience: Manassas Honda: First call, pants in stock, unable to get there that day. Call back next weekend to be sure, turns out they aren't Hypertex, they're the Granite pants. Saved a long car trip with a screaming 1 year old for nothing, should be grateful. Colemans Falls Church: Had no idea what pants Joe Rocket made, don't carry the other brands. Had to explain to the staff that there are two versions, 3.0 and 4.0, all 4.0's are stuck in Long Beach due to longshoreman's strike. Salesperson disn't know there were any other pants besides the Meteors. (side note: why is the most left-leaning union in America, one who once included amongst it's members the president of the Communist party of America, not politically correct and calling themselves the longshoreperson's union? ) Cycle Accessory Discounters: Was seriously told by staff member that I should go to their competitor down the street, try on what they had to find the right fit and then come back and order from them for the lowest price. Battley's: They don't carry TourMaster even though the company web site says that they are a dealer. Fastlane Cycles: They had none of my choices, however, they are a dealer for Wintex gear. None of the gear except for a few leather racesuits is in stock, which is understandable, but to get one of the other items, I am responsible for sizing and would pay a restocking fee as well as shipping if I don't want to keep it. I thought the whole world lived like this until I was in Phoenix and visited Cycle Gear, a chain of west coast shops. Their selection made all of the dealers in the metro area combined look like a weekend garage sale. They carried at least 5 different brands of pants, all top brands you've actually heard of; the models featured a full range of sizes and a generous return policy. Too bad they won't expand here soon (I asked, I even offered to pay for it.) It looks like Internet shopping is the only way to go. End of rant. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Washington, DC Do You Yahoo!? - I used to but now I just moan. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 12:21:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACHLVO7003308; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:21:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACHLV1s003300; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:21:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021112172123.53355.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:21:23 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC? To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F69CA@NCEAEXCHANGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please tell me if you are successful. My 4.0's are on back-order as well. Who ever said communists were PC or femminists?? --- bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > Objective: > Buy a pair of riding pants. > Criteria: > Textile, waterproof, armor, overpant style, > full-length leg zippers and > under $200.00. > Choices: > Joe Rocket Ballistic 4.0, First Gear HyperTex, > Tourmaster Cortech. > Experience: > Manassas Honda: First call, pants in stock, unable > to get there that day. > Call back next weekend to be sure, turns out they > aren't Hypertex, they're > the Granite pants. Saved a long car trip with a > screaming 1 year old for > nothing, should be grateful. > > Colemans Falls Church: Had no idea what pants Joe > Rocket made, don't carry > the other brands. Had to explain to the staff that > there are two versions, > 3.0 and 4.0, all 4.0's are stuck in Long Beach due > to longshoreman's strike. > Salesperson disn't know there were any other pants > besides the Meteors. > (side note: why is the most left-leaning union in > America, one who once > included amongst it's members the president of the > Communist party of > America, not politically correct and calling > themselves the > longshoreperson's union? ) > > Cycle Accessory Discounters: Was seriously told by > staff member that I > should go to their competitor down the street, try > on what they had to find > the right fit and then come back and order from them > for the lowest price. > > Battley's: They don't carry TourMaster even though > the company web site says > that they are a dealer. > > Fastlane Cycles: They had none of my choices, > however, they are a dealer for > Wintex gear. None of the gear except for a few > leather racesuits is in > stock, which is understandable, but to get one of > the other items, I am > responsible for sizing and would pay a restocking > fee as well as shipping if > I don't want to keep it. > > I thought the whole world lived like this until I > was in Phoenix and visited > Cycle Gear, a chain of west coast shops. Their > selection made all of the > dealers in the metro area combined look like a > weekend garage sale. They > carried at least 5 different brands of pants, all > top brands you've actually > heard of; the models featured a full range of sizes > and a generous return > policy. Too bad they won't expand here soon (I > asked, I even offered to pay > for it.) It looks like Internet shopping is the > only way to go. End of > rant. > Cedric > 2000 CBR600F4 > Washington, DC > > Do You Yahoo!? > > - I used to but now I just moan. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 12:25:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACHP7O7003380; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:25:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACHP6pK003370; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:25:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <200211121225030191.002AC845@smtp.east.cox.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:25:03 -0500 From: "Aki Damme" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT: Anyone know anyone/anything about NRTC? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" www.nrtc.org? (located in Herndon by gawd Virginia btw). I've applied for a job over there but I don't know diddly about it. All I know is it's telecommunications coop and it's got about 200 employees. If anyone knows anyone over there or anything about the company that would be *great*. Please ping me off line to discuss. I now return you to your regularly scheduled program. -aki (who remains unemployed). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 12:43:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACHhWO7003518; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:43:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACHhVRf003511; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:43:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <014a01c28a73$74b227e0$a52da8c0@LHS> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F69CA@NCEAEXCHANGE> Subject: Re: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC? Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:46:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Cedric, I got my Tourmaster Cortech pants from Morton's BMW in Fredricksburg. They had a good selection and the price was about what was advertised in the cycle magazines. Good Luck, Danny '02 FZ1 '02 XR 250R '98 Superhawk (for sale) www.onewayracing.org CSBA #150 ...................................... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC? > Objective: > Buy a pair of riding pants. > Criteria: > Textile, waterproof, armor, overpant style, full-length leg zippers and > under $200.00. > Choices: > Joe Rocket Ballistic 4.0, First Gear HyperTex, Tourmaster Cortech. > Experience: > Manassas Honda: First call, pants in stock, unable to get there that day. > Call back next weekend to be sure, turns out they aren't Hypertex, they're > the Granite pants. Saved a long car trip with a screaming 1 year old for > nothing, should be grateful. > > Colemans Falls Church: Had no idea what pants Joe Rocket made, don't carry > the other brands. Had to explain to the staff that there are two versions, > 3.0 and 4.0, all 4.0's are stuck in Long Beach due to longshoreman's strike. > Salesperson disn't know there were any other pants besides the Meteors. > (side note: why is the most left-leaning union in America, one who once > included amongst it's members the president of the Communist party of > America, not politically correct and calling themselves the > longshoreperson's union? ) > > Cycle Accessory Discounters: Was seriously told by staff member that I > should go to their competitor down the street, try on what they had to find > the right fit and then come back and order from them for the lowest price. > > Battley's: They don't carry TourMaster even though the company web site says > that they are a dealer. > > Fastlane Cycles: They had none of my choices, however, they are a dealer for > Wintex gear. None of the gear except for a few leather racesuits is in > stock, which is understandable, but to get one of the other items, I am > responsible for sizing and would pay a restocking fee as well as shipping if > I don't want to keep it. > > I thought the whole world lived like this until I was in Phoenix and visited > Cycle Gear, a chain of west coast shops. Their selection made all of the > dealers in the metro area combined look like a weekend garage sale. They > carried at least 5 different brands of pants, all top brands you've actually > heard of; the models featured a full range of sizes and a generous return > policy. Too bad they won't expand here soon (I asked, I even offered to pay > for it.) It looks like Internet shopping is the only way to go. End of > rant. > Cedric > 2000 CBR600F4 > Washington, DC > > Do You Yahoo!? > > - I used to but now I just moan. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 12:52:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACHqlO7003591; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:52:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACHqllF003583; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:52:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:05:25 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC? In-Reply-To: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F69CA@NCEAEXCHANGE> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > I thought the whole world lived like this until I was in Phoenix and visited > Cycle Gear, a chain of west coast shops. Their selection made all of the > dealers in the metro area combined look like a weekend garage sale. They > carried at least 5 different brands of pants, all top brands you've actually > heard of; the models featured a full range of sizes and a generous return > policy. Too bad they won't expand here soon (I asked, I even offered to pay > for it.) It looks like Internet shopping is the only way to go. End of > rant. Every person I know that buys motorcycle accessories uses local shops as a fitting department, then orders online for 50% of the cost. I don't know how much of the public-at-large does this, but if I owned a dealer I wouldn't see the advantage to carrying a large selection of merchandise in the store. Just my .02! Oh yeah, I 2nd the recommendation for Paul and Holly @ NewEnough dot com. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.purplecar.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 12:55:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACHtKO7003649; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:55:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACHtKOS003641; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:55:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC? Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:54:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2002 17:54:12.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[825E9030:01C28A74] Cedric, Years ago, before I ordered my 'stich, I tried on some Tourmaster stuff at a shop in Kensington; just off of Conn. Ave. Myers, maybe? They had a decent selection and good service. Just an FYI. Rob '98 VFR800 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC? > Objective: > Buy a pair of riding pants. > Criteria: > Textile, waterproof, armor, overpant style, full-length leg zippers and > under $200.00. > Choices: > Joe Rocket Ballistic 4.0, First Gear HyperTex, Tourmaster Cortech. > Experience: > Manassas Honda: First call, pants in stock, unable to get there that day. > Call back next weekend to be sure, turns out they aren't Hypertex, they're > the Granite pants. Saved a long car trip with a screaming 1 year old for > nothing, should be grateful. > > Colemans Falls Church: Had no idea what pants Joe Rocket made, don't carry > the other brands. Had to explain to the staff that there are two versions, > 3.0 and 4.0, all 4.0's are stuck in Long Beach due to longshoreman's strike. > Salesperson disn't know there were any other pants besides the Meteors. > (side note: why is the most left-leaning union in America, one who once > included amongst it's members the president of the Communist party of > America, not politically correct and calling themselves the > longshoreperson's union? ) > > Cycle Accessory Discounters: Was seriously told by staff member that I > should go to their competitor down the street, try on what they had to find > the right fit and then come back and order from them for the lowest price. > > Battley's: They don't carry TourMaster even though the company web site says > that they are a dealer. > > Fastlane Cycles: They had none of my choices, however, they are a dealer for > Wintex gear. None of the gear except for a few leather racesuits is in > stock, which is understandable, but to get one of the other items, I am > responsible for sizing and would pay a restocking fee as well as shipping if > I don't want to keep it. > > I thought the whole world lived like this until I was in Phoenix and visited > Cycle Gear, a chain of west coast shops. Their selection made all of the > dealers in the metro area combined look like a weekend garage sale. They > carried at least 5 different brands of pants, all top brands you've actually > heard of; the models featured a full range of sizes and a generous return > policy. Too bad they won't expand here soon (I asked, I even offered to pay > for it.) It looks like Internet shopping is the only way to go. End of > rant. > Cedric > 2000 CBR600F4 > Washington, DC > > Do You Yahoo!? > > - I used to but now I just moan. > > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 13:02:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACI2mO7003738; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:02:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACI2m3f003732; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:02:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021112125623.04794230@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:02:38 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC? In-Reply-To: References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F69CA@NCEAEXCHANGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:05 PM 11/12/2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: >Every person I know that buys motorcycle accessories uses local shops as a >fitting department, then orders online for 50% of the cost. I don't know >how much of the public-at-large does this, but if I owned a dealer I >wouldn't see the advantage to carrying a large selection of merchandise in >the store. I recommend that people check it out locally then find it online and check the price. If the local shop is within a few bucks or 10%, go local. Manassas Honda RAPES their customers. If they didn't - I would consider buying more from them. I do buy my oil, chain lube, gloves, etc locally. When the mood hits me, I head out towards Winchester to the Honda dealership on 7 or to the big dealership on Rt. 50 just past Rt. 17 over the mountain. My brother in law has had good luck with the new shop on Prince WIlliam Parkway near Dumfries. MFI? He bought his F4i there. Yeah - online retailers don't have the overhead of a brick and mortar, but there is no reason for me to pay $185 for a part Manassas Honda orders when Honda of Milpitas, CA (HOM) sells me the same part with next day shipping for $110. They are a brick and mortar too..... Screw Colemans on general purpose. Nice selection of merchandise though. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 13:04:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACI4YO7003791; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:04:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACI4YsQ003786; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:04:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021112180432.56607.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:04:32 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone have strong feelings about Cable Modems vs. DSL? Please let me know. How about the ability to hook up more than one PC? Is one better than the other for that? ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 13:14:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACIEAO7003862; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:14:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACIEA2s003857; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:14:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021112130620.02276708@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:14:03 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl In-Reply-To: <20021112180432.56607.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gACIE9O7003845 At 01:04 PM 11/12/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Does anyone have strong feelings about Cable Modems >vs. DSL? Please let me know. > >How about the ability to hook up more than one PC? Is >one better than the other for that? Both give you an Ethernet interface you can NAT with a cheap Netgear RP114 or multiple other vendor products to give you a home network - wired or wireless. It really comes down to price and service. If you need consistant 1Mbit download service go with DSL. If you need high speed upload ability - typically go with DSL. If you want to get outrageous speed for little money in off-peak hours, go with cable modem. DSL is a Point to Point connection with dedicated bandwidth for $50 to $200 per month. Cable offers you a high speed LAN connection you share with some number of your neighbors. You all compete for speed. For some people this has no effect. FOr others, it makes it worse than dialup at some times of the day. The tradeoff is that you only pay $39 to $59 per month for access, and multiple IPs are relatively cheap, so you don't need a NAT gateway necessarily. HTH. _________________________________________ Mich)Bæl J. Troutman 703.262.9100 Director of Network Engineering Wheat International Communications Corporation 1890 Preston White Drive Reston, Virginia 20191 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 13:23:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACIN6O7003939; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:23:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACIN5fA003932; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:23:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DD146B3.165AA9E@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:21:39 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman , DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021112130620.02276708@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > > At 01:04 PM 11/12/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > >Does anyone have strong feelings about Cable Modems > >vs. DSL? Please let me know. > > > >How about the ability to hook up more than one PC? Is > >one better than the other for that? > > Both give you an Ethernet interface you can NAT with a cheap Netgear RP114 > or multiple other vendor products to give you a home network - wired or > wireless. It really comes down to price and service. If you need > consistant 1Mbit download service go with DSL. If you need high speed > upload ability - typically go with DSL. If you want to get outrageous > speed for little money in off-peak hours, go with cable modem. > > DSL is a Point to Point connection with dedicated bandwidth for $50 to $200 > per month. Cable offers you a high speed LAN connection you share with > some number of your neighbors. You all compete for speed. For some people > this has no effect. FOr others, it makes it worse than dialup at some > times of the day. The tradeoff is that you only pay $39 to $59 per month > for access, and multiple IPs are relatively cheap, so you don't need a NAT > gateway necessarily. One thing to keep in mind is that a single channel is capable of 30 to 40 megabits per second of total throughput. it will take a lot of users to soak that up. A T-1 (1.544 Megabits per second) is about right for around 100 users. More likely than users saturating the bandwidth of the cable channel is the outbound links get saturated. > http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=cable-modem.htm&url=http://www.catv.org/frame/cmt_cablemodem101.html > http://makeashorterlink.com/?T2C432D62 your mileage may very From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 13:30:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACIURO7004005; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:30:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACIUQEg003995; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:30:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021112183024.30806.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:30:24 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl To: Troutman , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021112130620.02276708@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, but DSL is not more than $50 a month right. I mean is ADSL good enough? thanks --- Troutman wrote: > At 01:04 PM 11/12/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > >Does anyone have strong feelings about Cable Modems > >vs. DSL? Please let me know. > > > >How about the ability to hook up more than one PC? > Is > >one better than the other for that? > > Both give you an Ethernet interface you can NAT with > a cheap Netgear RP114 > or multiple other vendor products to give you a home > network - wired or > wireless. It really comes down to price and > service. If you need > consistant 1Mbit download service go with DSL. If > you need high speed > upload ability - typically go with DSL. If you want > to get outrageous > speed for little money in off-peak hours, go with > cable modem. > > DSL is a Point to Point connection with dedicated > bandwidth for $50 to $200 > per month. Cable offers you a high speed LAN > connection you share with > some number of your neighbors. You all compete for > speed. For some people > this has no effect. FOr others, it makes it worse > than dialup at some > times of the day. The tradeoff is that you only pay > $39 to $59 per month > for access, and multiple IPs are relatively cheap, > so you don't need a NAT > gateway necessarily. > > HTH. > > > > _________________________________________ > Mich)Bæl J. Troutman 703.262.9100 > Director of Network Engineering > > Wheat International Communications Corporation > 1890 Preston White Drive > Reston, Virginia 20191 > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 13:33:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACIXfO7004060; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:33:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACIXf9S004053; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:33:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:33:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200211121333.AA52429258@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl X-Mailer: I prefer Cable Modem so I don't have to deal with all the layers of DSL (who owns the lines, who provides the connection, who's the ISP). I had Cox cable and it was okay when it worked. Now I have Starpower and like it a lot. Good speed and very reliable. http://www.dslreports.com/ is a great place to find out what others' experiences in your area are. Chris Norloff >Troutman wrote: >> DSL is a Point to Point connection with dedicated bandwidth for $50 to $200 >> per month. Cable offers you a high speed LAN connection you share with >> some number of your neighbors. You all compete for speed. For some people >> this has no effect. FOr others, it makes it worse than dialup at some >> times of the day. The tradeoff is that you only pay $39 to $59 per month >> for access, and multiple IPs are relatively cheap, so you don't need a NAT >> gateway necessarily. 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Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 14:08:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACJ8JO7004328; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:08:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACJ8IF2004321; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:08:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021112140322.020bec78@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:08:14 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl In-Reply-To: <20021112183024.30806.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021112130620.02276708@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gACJ8HO7004309 At 01:30 PM 11/12/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Ok, but DSL is not more than $50 a month right. I >mean is ADSL good enough? It is usually termed xDSL. There is XDSL, SDSL, ADSL. All forms of DSL connectivity. Different providers offer different forms - each have advantages and disadvantages based on your distance from the Central Office. Generally you can't be more than 16000 feet from a CO - although I am at 18000 feet. Chris is right, too. DSL is notoriously complicated in its layers. I use Earthlink which subs to Verizon who actually has a mix of Verizon and Bell Atlantic controlled lines. This is my 5th DSL provider. The other 4 either went under or their line providers went uder. Stick with an RBOC like Verizon and you should be fine. I should add that my DSL was solid until a month ago, and it has been down for 4 weeks. Bell Atlantic controls some portion under FCC regs and there is a line conditioning problem. Blah blah blah. They called me last night to say it will be another 7-10 business days bfore they get it back up. Sigh. I have head many similar problems with cable providers as well - but service is slowly improving everywhere as the technology improves. _________________________________________ Mich)Bæl J. Troutman 703.262.9100 Director of Network Engineering Wheat International Communications Corporation 1890 Preston White Drive Reston, Virginia 20191 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 14:18:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACJI2O7004432; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:18:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACJI2PC004423; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:18:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021112191752.43710.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:17:52 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl To: Troutman , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021112140322.020bec78@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Its funny, we write many consulting projects at my firm about DSL service, but more from a marketing/sub estimate standpoint. Thanks for all the tech inputs. I can tell you one thing though. Verizon and Bell Altantic are the same. They merged years ago. Lines may be ided as Verizon vs. BA vs. C&P, but its the same company, same techs, etc. Mark --- Troutman wrote: > At 01:30 PM 11/12/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: > >Ok, but DSL is not more than $50 a month right. I > >mean is ADSL good enough? > > It is usually termed xDSL. There is XDSL, SDSL, > ADSL. All forms of DSL > connectivity. Different providers offer different > forms - each have > advantages and disadvantages based on your distance > from the Central > Office. Generally you can't be more than 16000 feet > from a CO - although I > am at 18000 feet. > > Chris is right, too. DSL is notoriously complicated > in its layers. I use > Earthlink which subs to Verizon who actually has a > mix of Verizon and Bell > Atlantic controlled lines. This is my 5th DSL > provider. The other 4 > either went under or their line providers went uder. > Stick with an RBOC > like Verizon and you should be fine. > > I should add that my DSL was solid until a month > ago, and it has been down > for 4 weeks. Bell Atlantic controls some portion > under FCC regs and there > is a line conditioning problem. Blah blah blah. > They called me last night > to say it will be another 7-10 business days bfore > they get it back > up. Sigh. I have head many similar problems with > cable providers as well > - but service is slowly improving everywhere as the > technology improves. > > > > _________________________________________ > Mich)Bæl J. Troutman 703.262.9100 > Director of Network Engineering > > Wheat International Communications Corporation > 1890 Preston White Drive > Reston, Virginia 20191 > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 14:19:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACJJdO7004472; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:19:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACJJd3s004467; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:19:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021112141819.02048608@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:19:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl In-Reply-To: <20021112191752.43710.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021112140322.020bec78@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gACJJcO7004450 At 02:17 PM 11/12/2002, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Its funny, we write many consulting projects at my >firm about DSL service, but more from a marketing/sub >estimate standpoint. Thanks for all the tech inputs. > >I can tell you one thing though. Verizon and Bell >Altantic are the same. They merged years ago. Lines >may be ided as Verizon vs. BA vs. C&P, but its the >same company, same techs, etc. Yeah - GTE too. Or so I thought. The fact of the matter is that they still have GTE and BA controlled units even though they are all under the Verizon heading. I didn't understand it until I got into this DSL troubleshooting mess, and I work for a communications company :-/ _________________________________________ Mich)Bæl J. Troutman 703.262.9100 Director of Network Engineering Wheat International Communications Corporation 1890 Preston White Drive Reston, Virginia 20191 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 14:24:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACJO7O7004584; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:24:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACJO6q9004576; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:24:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl From: Brian Roach To: Mark Kitchell Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20021112180432.56607.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021112180432.56607.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 12 Nov 2002 14:23:55 -0500 Message-Id: <1037129035.2149.488.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 13:04, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Does anyone have strong feelings about Cable Modems > vs. DSL? Please let me know. > > How about the ability to hook up more than one PC? Is > one better than the other for that? It is *completely* dependent on your location and what you want to do with the connection. DSL is a point-to-point connection with your ISP. Availability (and top speed) are determined by how close you are to the phone Co's CO (Central office). http://www.dslreports.com can provide this info based on your phone number and address. As long as you're closer than 18k feet (copper length) you can get ADSL (or any xDSL service) up to 768Kbps. If you're closer, higher speeds are possible (for a price). Cable modems in this area are capped at 1500Kbps (basically, T1 speed) with a 128Kbps - 300Kbps upstream. However... the traffic jam is at the local network, so actually seeing these speeds may not happen (again, depending on your local area usage). It's also dirt cheap for the amount of (theoretical) bandwidth you get... In general... the cable companies suck - especially if you're looking at Cox or Comcast. There are some areas where people do not have problems, but they are few and far between. Since @Home went belly-up, the cable co's have been scrambling to upgrade their networks and try and provide service themselves. Cox in fairfax has serious problems at the moment, and is being fined $2000 per day by the county due to not having their network upgrades done when promised (they have recently been granted a retro-reprieve, where if they finish by Sept 2003, they'll get the money back... wonder who they paid off?) DSL reports, mentioned above, is probably the best independent resource for info regarding broadband. The forums will give you a lot of insight as to the quality of service in a given area. If all you do is surf the net, email, and download files ... either will probably be ok, as long as your cable company can avoid complete outages. If you play games... you really want to look at DSL. The largest problem with cable companies is their networks being over-saturated at the neighborhood level, and during peak hours (4pm - 10pm) you will see huge latency and packet loss (as in, worse than a 56k dial-up connection). This makes ANY interactive activity unusable, games being the biggest one. I've had ISDN (back in the day), three different cable connections, iDSL (don't ask), and ADSL in this area. By far, the DSL connections were always more reliable and better for interactive things. When cable works... it rocks. Unfortunately, it often doesn't :( If you have any other questions... feel free to email :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 14:53:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACJr5O7004792; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:53:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACJr5Fk004782; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:53:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021112195302.95404.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:53:02 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: For those with high-speed To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Check out this VOIP offering http://www.vonage.com/index.php ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 15:00:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACK0LO7004858; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:00:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACK0L1W004850; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:00:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52D83F4@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Valve Stem Squid Lights Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:01:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" FYI from the Seca II list: -----Original Message----- To: SecaIITalkList@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [SecaIITalkList] Question about Valve stems I had those tire flys for a day and took the bike in for service, my mechanic said "NO WAY" DO NOT get the tire flys, take them back and run away from them, he says they break more stems then anything he has seen. 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 15:05:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACK5oO7004939; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:05:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACK5ocA004931; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:05:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003901c28a87$0675d9c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20021112180432.56607.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> <1037129035.2149.488.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Subject: Re: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:05:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roach" > > If all you do is surf the net, email, and download files ... either will > probably be ok, as long as your cable company can avoid complete > outages. > Outages. Make sure whatever outfit you go with offers a good 56k dial-up substitute for when their broadband service goes toes up. I'm going to pull the switch soon, although my wife already thinks I spent too much time on the 'net as it is. We'll probably go with DSL, mainly because if the cable modem service is as miserable as their TV service, we're in trouble with Comcast. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 15:05:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACK5pO7004958; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:05:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACK5psi004952; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:05:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 12 Nov 2002 20:05:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20021112200549.8876.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: Cable Modem vs DSL X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) MK asks - > >Does anyone have strong feelings about Cable Modems > >vs. DSL? Please let me know. > > > >How about the ability to hook up more than one PC? > Is > >one better than the other for that? [Dave] Other important topics have already been covered, so I'll contribute anyway [ like usual :-) ] I remember back when I has a HS senior, and Metrovision Cable offered cable to my neighborhood - the last in PG county... We got it, it sucked. It always sucked. Dealing with them sucked. My parents still live there, and their cable service STILL sucks. I got DirecTV the 1st chance I had & never looked back. After years of waiting, my new house became eligible for Cable & DSL this year. With much hesitation, I investigated. I ended up getting DirecTV DSL (not the dish broadband, actual ADSL). They have a static IP address, same $50 / month as Verizon, they provide the gateway & line filters (you provide the router if more than 1 PC is involved). I wouldn't even consider cable, even if it were the only broadband solution. My experience with cable companies has been sub par. For me, it comes out to about $4.00 / month extra between the ISP charge & the 2nd phone line... vs. DSL. Since both my wife & I need online work access at home, the multiple connection option is really nice, and necessary. I speed tested my DSL at 710kbps, and my work T1 at 1.0mbps... Nobody had to come in my house, stuff was delivered on time, customer service has been very good, and the connection has been there all the time. I've had one problem to date, which was resolved by 'booting' the gateway & router. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 15:19:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACKJ9O7005061; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:19:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACKJ9AX005053; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:19:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021112201907.58169.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:19:07 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl To: dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <003901c28a87$0675d9c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FWIW, Adelphia digital cable has worked pretty well for the six months or so that I've had it. Just one outage for a few days due to some weird server change. Their customer service sucks, but all ISPs and cable companies are like that it seems. Chris --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Roach" > > > > If all you do is surf the net, email, and download > files ... either will > > probably be ok, as long as your cable company can > avoid complete > > outages. > > > Outages. Make sure whatever outfit you go with > offers a good 56k dial-up > substitute for when their broadband service goes > toes up. > > I'm going to pull the switch soon, although my wife > already thinks I spent > too much time on the 'net as it is. We'll probably > go with DSL, mainly > because if the cable modem service is as miserable > as their TV service, > we're in trouble with Comcast. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 15:49:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACKn9O7005278; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:49:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACKn84x005271; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:49:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021112204901.61409.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:49:01 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl To: dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <20021112201907.58169.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii fuck verizon's home dsl (in montgomery county anyway). the shit craps out periodically without warning. uninterrupted porn is simply not hapnin. we all know how frustrating that can be. i'd gladly pay double the $39 monthly fee to have a consistent connection.... and am seriously considering a switch to comcast. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 15:56:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACKujO7005344; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:56:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACKujid005336; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:56:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DD16AB3.C43426E2@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:55:15 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Roach CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl References: <20021112180432.56607.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> <1037129035.2149.488.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Roach wrote: [snip] > In general... the cable companies suck - especially if you're looking at > Cox or Comcast. There are some areas where people do not have problems, > but they are few and far between. Since @Home went belly-up, the cable > co's have been scrambling to upgrade their networks and try and provide > service themselves. Cox in fairfax has serious problems at the moment, > and is being fined $2000 per day by the county due to not having their > network upgrades done when promised (they have recently been granted a > retro-reprieve, where if they finish by Sept 2003, they'll get the money > back... wonder who they paid off?) I can definately attest to how bad Cox sucks. I work for Road Runner corporate, and was in the NOC for a couple years. I dealt with Cox on a daily basis. there are a couple people there that have a clue, but the rest of them were incompetent at best. Data over Cable requires a good cable plant, and some fairly significant maintenance. They had crappy plant, and didn't make maintaining it to standards a priority in any sense of the word. Our service level agreements with the cable affiliates dictated that if 5 or more customers were down, it was a Severity one issue, requiring full application of resources to resolve the issue. We had an issue where about 500 customers were out due to a cable plant problem (their issue), and Cox told us that they weren't going to get to it for a week. We no longer provide service to them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 15:58:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACKwPO7005377; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:58:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACKwPsa005372; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:58:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DD16B1B.20965B27@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:56:59 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Weaver CC: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl References: <20021112201907.58169.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I worked for Cablevision of Loudound until they got bought by Adelphia, then with Adelphia for a few months. I believe they are still being fined for failing to meet network upgrade deadlines. but they were pretty responsive to outages... Chris Weaver wrote: > > FWIW, Adelphia digital cable has worked pretty well > for the six months or so that I've had it. Just one > outage for a few days due to some weird server change. > Their customer service sucks, but all ISPs and cable > companies are like that it seems. > > Chris > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Roach" > > > > > > If all you do is surf the net, email, and download > > files ... either will > > > probably be ok, as long as your cable company can > > avoid complete > > > outages. > > > > > Outages. Make sure whatever outfit you go with > > offers a good 56k dial-up > > substitute for when their broadband service goes > > toes up. > > > > I'm going to pull the switch soon, although my wife > > already thinks I spent > > too much time on the 'net as it is. We'll probably > > go with DSL, mainly > > because if the cable modem service is as miserable > > as their TV service, > > we're in trouble with Comcast. > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos > http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 16:14:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACLEeO7005511; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:14:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACLEe4j005506; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:14:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:14:29 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409230@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl Thread-Index: AcKKj37OahO5Guy1RByhCsoe89VvhwAAGFp0 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "dc-cycles list" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gACLEdO7005489 My roomate and I live in Vienna and we're with Atlantech. For $90 we have a static IP, all ports are open, and we get an incredible and consistent 1.2 mb/s binary newsgroup download speed, all day and all night. It took a while to hook up, but now that it's working, it's working very well. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tue 11/12/2002 3:49 PM To: dc-cycles list Cc: Subject: Re: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl fuck verizon's home dsl (in montgomery county anyway). the shit craps out periodically without warning. uninterrupted porn is simply not hapnin. we all know how frustrating that can be. i'd gladly pay double the $39 monthly fee to have a consistent connection.... and am seriously considering a switch to comcast. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 16:25:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gACLP7O7005597; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:25:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gACLP6nR005589; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:25:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:27:08 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl In-Reply-To: <20021112204901.61409.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > fuck verizon's home dsl (in montgomery county anyway). the > > i'd gladly pay double the $39 monthly fee to have a Fuck verizon PERIOD. I tried to get DSL through them, first was told it would be no problem, then they said no, then yes, then no again. The butt plugs at Adelphia couldn't figure out WHEN they would have 2 way in my area, so it was back to Verizon who couldn't figure how much they charge for ISDN and who to call about using VERIZON as an ISP. So I found an outfit called Steel City Telecom to do SDSL. They are top notch, installed much earlier than promised, ony catch is $129/mo for 256k. Its business class and its been perfectly reliable except for the time guess who... VERIZON messed up some of NAS's equipment at the CO. I ended up ditching the land line too, I hate them that bad. I'm gonna give adelphia a try though once my contract is up, $129 is KILLING ME! Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 19:07:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAD07rO7007831; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:07:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAD07qiY007821; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:07:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DD1991C.CA7AB1DE@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:13:16 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: ATTN: Ironbutters with auxilary tanks... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did y`all catch the piece in the Metro section of todays Wash Post? Seems a dude tried to go coast-to-coast without shutting the car engine down or stopping for fuel by dragging a weenie trailer with 100 gal tank on board and running fuels lines to the engine. He'd paused in a no-parking zone near the mall and got tagged by the District's finest who noticed the odd setup. $50 fine for operating an "unsafe" vehicle and of course the trailer w/tank was disconnected and confiscated. Beware, beware IBers with aux tanks, the boys in blue are out to getcha! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 19:50:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAD0o2O7008054; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:50:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAD0o1nU008047; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:50:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005f01c28aae$8e386b80$79312c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" References: <3DD1991C.CA7AB1DE@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Ironbutters with auxilary tanks... Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:49:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I think he started in Texas, so it was not a coast-to-coast run. He would have made it too, if (1) he hadn't stopped near the one of the most heavily guarded places in DC, the Capitol, where every passing vehicle gets scrutiny and (2) if he hadn't put a sign on his trailer reading "100 gallons of gas." His trip was only 1,800 or so miles. Don't Mazda 626's get better mileage than that? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41298-2002Nov11.html The Washington Post site now has an annoying registration window that pops up, asking for your gender, year of birth and ZIP code. Female, 2001 and 90210 works for me. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:13 PM Subject: ATTN: Ironbutters with auxilary tanks... > Did y`all catch the piece in the Metro section of todays Wash Post? > Seems a dude tried to go coast-to-coast without shutting the car engine > down or stopping for fuel by dragging a weenie trailer with 100 gal tank > on board and running fuels lines to the engine. He'd paused in a > no-parking zone near the mall and got tagged by the District's finest > who noticed the odd setup. $50 fine for operating an "unsafe" vehicle > and of course the trailer w/tank was disconnected and confiscated. > > Beware, beware IBers with aux tanks, the boys in blue are out to getcha! > > Bill > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 19:50:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAD0orO7008088; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:50:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAD0ornZ008084; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:50:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006401c28aae$ad669900$79312c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" References: <3DD1991C.CA7AB1DE@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Ironbutters with auxilary tanks... Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:50:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I think he started in Texas, so it was not a coast-to-coast run. He would have made it too, if (1) he hadn't stopped near the one of the most heavily guarded places in DC, the Capitol, where every passing vehicle gets scrutiny and (2) if he hadn't put a sign on his trailer reading "100 gallons of gas." His trip was only 1,800 or so miles. Don't Mazda 626's get better mileage than that? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41298-2002Nov11.html The Washington Post site now has an annoying registration window that pops up, asking for your gender, year of birth and ZIP code. Female, 2001 and 90210 works for me. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:13 PM Subject: ATTN: Ironbutters with auxilary tanks... > Did y`all catch the piece in the Metro section of todays Wash Post? > Seems a dude tried to go coast-to-coast without shutting the car engine > down or stopping for fuel by dragging a weenie trailer with 100 gal tank > on board and running fuels lines to the engine. He'd paused in a > no-parking zone near the mall and got tagged by the District's finest > who noticed the odd setup. $50 fine for operating an "unsafe" vehicle > and of course the trailer w/tank was disconnected and confiscated. > > Beware, beware IBers with aux tanks, the boys in blue are out to getcha! > > Bill > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 19:56:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAD0uMO7008149; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:56:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAD0uLHg008142; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:56:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DD1A2DD.2090105@erols.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:54:53 -0500 From: Steve Price User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC? References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F69CA@NCEAEXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anybody on the list tried Bob's BMW. We have a super parts and acc dept. We are No 1 in the country for parts and acc. We carry a full line of First Gear, Gerbing, Arai. Shoei, plus BMW gear. Come on down. Steve bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: >Objective: >Buy a pair of riding pants. >Criteria: >Textile, waterproof, armor, overpant style, full-length leg zippers and >under $200.00. >Choices: >Joe Rocket Ballistic 4.0, First Gear HyperTex, Tourmaster Cortech. >Experience: >Manassas Honda: First call, pants in stock, unable to get there that day. >Call back next weekend to be sure, turns out they aren't Hypertex, they're >the Granite pants. Saved a long car trip with a screaming 1 year old for >nothing, should be grateful. > >Colemans Falls Church: Had no idea what pants Joe Rocket made, don't carry >the other brands. Had to explain to the staff that there are two versions, >3.0 and 4.0, all 4.0's are stuck in Long Beach due to longshoreman's strike. >Salesperson disn't know there were any other pants besides the Meteors. >(side note: why is the most left-leaning union in America, one who once >included amongst it's members the president of the Communist party of >America, not politically correct and calling themselves the >longshoreperson's union? ) > >Cycle Accessory Discounters: Was seriously told by staff member that I >should go to their competitor down the street, try on what they had to find >the right fit and then come back and order from them for the lowest price. > >Battley's: They don't carry TourMaster even though the company web site says >that they are a dealer. > >Fastlane Cycles: They had none of my choices, however, they are a dealer for >Wintex gear. None of the gear except for a few leather racesuits is in >stock, which is understandable, but to get one of the other items, I am >responsible for sizing and would pay a restocking fee as well as shipping if >I don't want to keep it. > >I thought the whole world lived like this until I was in Phoenix and visited >Cycle Gear, a chain of west coast shops. Their selection made all of the >dealers in the metro area combined look like a weekend garage sale. They >carried at least 5 different brands of pants, all top brands you've actually >heard of; the models featured a full range of sizes and a generous return >policy. Too bad they won't expand here soon (I asked, I even offered to pay >for it.) It looks like Internet shopping is the only way to go. End of >rant. >Cedric >2000 CBR600F4 >Washington, DC > >Do You Yahoo!? > >- I used to but now I just moan. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 21:18:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAD2ItO7008546; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:18:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAD2Iq0N008536; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:18:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DD1B7D3.AEB78505@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:24:19 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Ironbutters with auxilary tanks... References: <3DD1991C.CA7AB1DE@patriot.net> <005f01c28aae$8e386b80$79312c42@D7XFG711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure the MPG of the Mazda was seriously comprimised by the trailer, figuring more'n 600 pounds of gas plus the trailer wieght towed by a weenie engine. Gotta give him a thumbs up for trying. Back in the good ol' days (1965) my nutzo plan was around the world in a small outboard powered boat - like a shade over 20'. This was before GPS nav or Loran, but hey, I could use a sextant! To make the long hops betwixt islands, I seem to recall at least one 1800 mile leg, I proposed an unusual auxilary fuel tank design. A hydrofoil sled towed behind the boat that when emptied would fit under the foredeck. I tried to get Mercury outboards to sponsor the trip. The translation of their carefully worded response alluded to a serious flaw in my sanity. Wimps. Like just think, what a story I could tell when the English Prof assigned the "How I Spent My Summer Vacation" paper! Bill Paul Wilson wrote: > I think he started in Texas, so it was not a coast-to-coast run. He would > have made it too, if (1) he hadn't stopped near the one of the most heavily > guarded places in DC, the Capitol, where every passing vehicle gets scrutiny > and (2) if he hadn't put a sign on his trailer reading "100 gallons of gas." > > His trip was only 1,800 or so miles. Don't Mazda 626's get better mileage > than that? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 12 22:40:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAD3ekO7008927; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:40:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAD3ejwx008919; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:40:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl From: Brian Roach To: dan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 12 Nov 2002 22:40:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1037158838.20642.496.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 16:27, dan wrote: > On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > fuck verizon's home dsl (in montgomery county anyway). the Also, xDSL doesn't have to be provided by the phone company ... sort of. The deregulation of local telco makes it so they have to lease their copper. Call Covad (or a xDSL ISP that uses Covad) and get them to run the circuit. The only interaction with the telco you have is when the initial install is done - a telco field tech comes out and runs a loopback test on a pair of copper, then turns the circuit over to covad. >From then on out, you deal with Covad (or your ISP if it's not one and the same). The main diff is if there's ever a problem with the physical circuit - Covad will deal with the telco, not you. They generally have a bigger stick. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 06:16:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADBGaO7011257; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:16:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADBGWQq011247; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:16:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Steve Price Subject: Re: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC? Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:16:20 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F69CA@NCEAEXCHANGE> <3DD1A2DD.2090105@erols.com> In-Reply-To: <3DD1A2DD.2090105@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02111306162018.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cool beans. Where's Bob? (I mean the shop.) Carl On Tuesday 12 November 2002 19:54, Steve Price wrote: > Has anybody on the list tried Bob's BMW. We have a super parts and acc > dept. We are No 1 in the country for parts and acc. We carry a full line > of First Gear, Gerbing, Arai. Shoei, plus BMW gear. Come on down. > Steve > -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 06:43:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADBhFO7011392; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:43:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADBhF5L011385; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:43:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 05:43:11 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC? In-Reply-To: <02111306162018.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > Cool beans. Where's Bob? > (I mean the shop.) Up in Jessup MD, on Guilford Road (just north of MD-32 between US-1 and MD-295 (BW Parkway)). It's not far from Buffy's orkplace, and there's a really nice pub nearby in Savage Mill, just a bit south on US-1... They probably have directions on their website, http://www.bobsbmw.com/. It's about 30 minutes from DC. I've been by there a couple of times to look at accessories. They have a pretty clear BMW bias (duh -- I'd be kind of surprised if they didn't!), but in general they've been nice enough. They do seem to carry higher-end stuff than most other shops I've visited in the area. I've tried on Vansons there, f'rinstance. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 07:45:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADCj7O7011708; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:45:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADCj5Ec011698; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:45:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021113124459.42478.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 04:44:59 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: OT: Cabme Modem vs DSl To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1037158838.20642.496.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I highly recommend Covad and my ISP is Speakeasy. I think they are rated high on DSL reports too. I have the 108/608 DSL and its been nothing but excellent. I think once or twice over the last two years I've had it it hasn't worked for about 5 minutes and that's it. Cost is $59 month. Oh and everyone who uses it brags how fast Speakeasy is... Glenn --- Brian Roach wrote: > copper. Call Covad (or a xDSL ISP that uses Covad) > and get them to run > the circuit. The only interaction with the telco you __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 07:54:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADCsnO7011768; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:54:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADCsmbT011762; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:54:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: The local MC mercantile Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:54:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Every person I know that buys motorcycle accessories uses local shops as a >fitting department, then orders online for 50% of the cost. I don't know >how much of the public-at-large does this, but if I owned a dealer I >wouldn't see the advantage to carrying a large selection of merchandise in >the store. and >Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC? Because people try stuff on and order it online -- rather than approaching the dealership and working on a deal. Worst case --they don't get your business. Best case -- you walk out with the gear rather than waiting a few days for the brown truck. If the dealership or store isn't willing to bargain...talk to a supervisor or management and let them know you're walking and purchasing online. It might just be a learning curve issue the local store has to approach. It also helps keep the local stores intact, which isn't a bad thing unless it's the dreaded CPS. vr gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 08:15:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADDF7O7011896; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:15:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADDF7fs011891; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:15:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DD2519F.FF881898@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:20:31 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bruhl, George LT" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: The local MC mercantile References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Bruhl, George LT" wrote: > >Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC? > > Because people try stuff on and order it online -- rather than approaching > the dealership and working on a deal. Worst case --they don't get your > business. Best case -- you walk out with the gear rather than waiting a few > days for the brown truck. > > If the dealership or store isn't willing to bargain...talk to a supervisor > or management and let them know you're walking and purchasing online. It > might just be a learning curve issue the local store has to approach. It > also helps keep the local stores intact, which isn't a bad thing unless it's > the dreaded CPS. This is true. For 15 years I owned and operated a retail hobby store and was amazed at the gall of customers who mail ordered and then expected ME to service their product, like carry bits and pieces for off-brand mail order cheapies. My stratagy was to cut a deal with a manufacturor to buy expensive radio control units in bulk and I sold them at deep discounts, but a small store can't compete like that on all levels. So the buggers would come in and bitch-bitch-bitch about *high* prices. Bottom line, I said fuggit and closed the damn place. Yes, I buy helmets and gear locally. Do I pay more? Yes, but maybe the m/c shop will still be in business when I need those critical dinky parts. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 08:42:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADDgxO7012128; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:42:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADDgxSm012120; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:42:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200211131342.PXS86163@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:42:55 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: The local MC mercantile Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit GB answered the age old question: > >>Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC? > > >Because people try stuff on and order it online -- rather than approaching >the dealership and working on a deal. Worst case --they don't get your >business. Best case -- you walk out with the gear rather than waiting a few >days for the brown truck. [Dave] The shop is in business to MAKE MONEY. They actually have to earn a living at it, they're not hobbyists. Brick and mortar shops around here have a bit of a tough go at it, since only the true die hards ride year round. They have 'real' slow seasons. Places that sell bikes can stay in business off of sales of bikes, and some accessories and still be arrogant. Places like Fast Lane stake their business on reputation & CS - which in all my dealings with them since '95 or '96 has been excellent. Hey, they've even let me order high $$$ items, have them shipped there - avoiding the pesky sales tax, knowing they would be installing said high $$$ parts :-) > >If the dealership or store isn't willing to bargain...talk to a supervisor >or management and let them know you're walking and purchasing online. It >might just be a learning curve issue the local store has to approach [Dave] Most of these guys are aware of the mail order shops too, and will make only a small percentage when you do this. What it buys you is not having to dice with the UPS delivery guys, worry about being there to sign for it needed, etc... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 08:58:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADDw9O7012302; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:58:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADDw8im012292; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:58:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:58:06 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: First Aid Kit Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It's come time to shell out some of my own hard-earned cash for some necessities, like a first aid kit... but I don't know what a good first aid kit would contain. The ones Aerostich sells seem overly expensive, and anyway they don't really mention what they contain. Does anyone have firm opinions on what a good, compact, moto-specific first aid kit should contain? I'm thinking that the contents of most compact kits (pinky bandages) would be useless, while things like gauze and tourniquets become rather more important. Any thoughts? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 09:39:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADEd9O7012529; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:39:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADEd96I012525; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:39:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First Aid Kit Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:39:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2002 14:39:02.0414 (UTC) FILETIME=[68DB32E0:01C28B22] Not really moto-specific, but could be altered. Galyan's carries a line of small first-aid kits. (Can't think of the manufacturer) but they are blue and black and come in a couple different sized nylon zippered pouches. The one I have fits perfectly in the side pocket of my seat pack bag, but can go virtually anywhere. Not terribly expensive either. Just an FYI. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: First Aid Kit Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:58:06 -0600 (CST) It's come time to shell out some of my own hard-earned cash for some necessities, like a first aid kit... but I don't know what a good first aid kit would contain. The ones Aerostich sells seem overly expensive, and anyway they don't really mention what they contain. Does anyone have firm opinions on what a good, compact, moto-specific first aid kit should contain? I'm thinking that the contents of most compact kits (pinky bandages) would be useless, while things like gauze and tourniquets become rather more important. Any thoughts? Fish. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 09:54:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADEs6O7012638; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:54:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADEs5fI012629; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:54:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <012501c28b24$a3ee9280$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: First Aid Kit Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:54:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I can't imagine a "moto-specific" injury that a "moto-specific" kit will address. I got one at REI. A "hiker" model suitable for a backpack. Mine has bandage material in it, etc. For serious injuries the best equipment is a cell phone and a good idea of your location. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Keiser" > Not really moto-specific, but could be altered. Galyan's carries a line of > small first-aid kits. (Can't think of the manufacturer) but they are blue > and black and come in a couple different sized nylon zippered pouches. > Fish asked-- > Does anyone have firm opinions on what a good, compact, moto-specific > first aid kit should contain? I'm thinking that the contents of most > compact kits (pinky bandages) would be useless, while things like gauze > and tourniquets become rather more important. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 10:04:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADF4GO7012728; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:04:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADF4FPg012718; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:04:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20A9EC6BD781D311945A00508B557A8B058DF296@mail.soza.com> From: "Fruehwald, David" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Hi everyone Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:02:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've been lurking for a while and tought I'd say hi. I got a 2000 Kawasaki ZR-7 back in March (first bike) and have put about 9,000 miles on it so far :-) Did it all backwards of course, bought bike, got license, took safety course. Any good recommendations of where to go for service and parts? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 10:10:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADFAbO7012784; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:10:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADFAbPm012778; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:10:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021113151034.97814.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:10:34 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: The local MC mercantile To: dccyles In-Reply-To: <200211131342.PXS86163@vmms2.verisignmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've bought items both at stores and online. When I've bought online, it has usually been because the item isn't available locally and I can get it cheaper and in the same time frame as ordering through a store. Normally I prefer instant gratification over saving a couple of bucks. That said, If I try something on at a store (except Powersuck), I give that store my business. There not here to be a try-on center for the Internet. My gloves, boots, and back protector all come from Fast Lane because they have given me excellent advice on what to get and how it should fit. It's worth paying extra when I can talk to someone who really knows there stuff (some other stores can learn from this). The only thing I won't buy at a store is tires, becuase the cost difference is just so enormous. However, I don't complain when they charge me extra to then mount the tires. Keith --- Dave Yates wrote: > > GB answered the age old question: > > > >>Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC? > > > > > >Because people try stuff on and order it online -- > rather > than approaching > >the dealership and working on a deal. Worst case > --they > don't get your > >business. Best case -- you walk out with the gear > rather > than waiting a few > >days for the brown truck. > > [Dave] The shop is in business to MAKE MONEY. They > actually > have to earn a living at it, they're not hobbyists. > Brick > and mortar shops around here have a bit of a tough > go at it, > since only the true die hards ride year round. They > > have 'real' slow seasons. Places that sell bikes > can stay in > business off of sales of bikes, and some accessories > and > still be arrogant. Places like Fast Lane stake > their > business on reputation & CS - which in all my > dealings with > them since '95 or '96 has been excellent. Hey, > they've even > let me order high $$$ items, have them shipped there > - > avoiding the pesky sales tax, knowing they would be > installing said high $$$ parts :-) > > > > > >If the dealership or store isn't willing to > bargain...talk > to a supervisor > >or management and let them know you're walking and > purchasing online. It > >might just be a learning curve issue the local > store has to > approach > > [Dave] Most of these guys are aware of the mail > order shops > too, and will make only a small percentage when you > do this. > What it buys you is not having to dice with the UPS > delivery > guys, worry about being there to sign for it > needed, etc... > > > Dave Yates > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 10:12:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADFC9O7012824; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:12:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADFC93b012814; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:12:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021113151205.45860.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:12:05 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Hi everyone To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: <20A9EC6BD781D311945A00508B557A8B058DF296@mail.soza.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Welcome, David! Sounds like you're having a good time on the bike. While I'm not full of recommendations on where to GO, I am fairly fluent on where NOT TO GO. Never deal with Coleman Powersports. They are a consummate ripoff joint. Shop there for accessories and then buy online. I wouldn't normally recommend that, but they deserve it. Loudoun Motorsports is okay for parts, but don't get your bike worked on there. The shop that used to be Cycle Sport in Herndon (Champion Motorsports or something now I think) is a good place for service, but they don't have much in the way of parts/accessories. If you're in Maryland, ignore these suggestions and listen to the other listers recommendations for that state. Chris Weaver --- "Fruehwald, David" wrote: > I've been lurking for a while and tought I'd say hi. > [snip] > Any good recommendations of where to go for service > and parts? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 10:22:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADFMRO7012907; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:22:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADFMRbH012900; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:22:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20A9EC6BD781D311945A00508B557A8B058DF298@mail.soza.com> From: "Fruehwald, David" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Gear Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:20:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It was pointed out I forgot to mention that I got gear before learning to ride. I got the full set, Jacket, pants, boots, gloves and helmet, BEFORE ever even starting it up. The person who taught me insisted (and rightfully so). I've read Proficient Riding and the idiots guide before even buying the bike. So I try to do it right :-) Just to head off the debate over my squidliness :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 10:23:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADFN4O7012940; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:23:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADFN3Ou012936; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:23:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'Fruehwald, David'" , Subject: RE: Hi everyone Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:35:05 -0500 Message-ID: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F5020079A8D@MAINSERVER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F5020090B6C@MAINSERVER> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal For Service, go to Crossroads Cycle in Bailey's Crossroads. The guys are really nice, they do excellent work (I have never heard of anyone having to take a bike back to repair the repairs they did) and reasonably priced. They do get backed up in the beginning of spring--- it's a small shop, and when people start getting their bikes out of winter storage, it gets really hectic. So plan accordingly. There are always some interesting characters hanging out there, too. It is located right at rte 50 and rte 7, kind of hard to find but well worth it. Cheers, patti -----Original Message----- From: Fruehwald, David [mailto:David_Fruehwald@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:03 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Hi everyone I've been lurking for a while and tought I'd say hi. I got a 2000 Kawasaki ZR-7 back in March (first bike) and have put about 9,000 miles on it so far :-) Did it all backwards of course, bought bike, got license, took safety course. Any good recommendations of where to go for service and parts? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 10:27:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADFRfO7012993; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:27:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADFRfMP012985; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:27:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021113152739.16183.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:27:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Hi everyone To: mprodgers@XXXXXX, "'Fruehwald, David'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F5020079A8D@MAINSERVER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii While I love Crossroads, they are certainly not perfect....thats all I will say. --- Patti Rodgers wrote: > For Service, go to Crossroads Cycle in Bailey's > Crossroads. The guys are > really nice, they do excellent work (I have never > heard of anyone having to > take a bike back to repair the repairs they did) and > reasonably priced. > They do get backed up in the beginning of spring--- > it's a small shop, and > when people start getting their bikes out of winter > storage, it gets really > hectic. So plan accordingly. There are always some > interesting characters > hanging out there, too. > > It is located right at rte 50 and rte 7, kind of > hard to find but well worth > it. > > Cheers, > > patti > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fruehwald, David > [mailto:David_Fruehwald@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:03 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Hi everyone > > > I've been lurking for a while and tought I'd say hi. > > I got a 2000 Kawasaki ZR-7 back in March (first > bike) and have put about > 9,000 miles on it so far :-) > > Did it all backwards of course, bought bike, got > license, took safety > course. > > Any good recommendations of where to go for service > and parts? > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 10:34:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADFYSO7013314; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:34:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADFYSeJ013308; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:34:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021113153421.28623.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:34:21 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: Hi everyone To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021113152739.16183.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll agree with this. Although its been over ten years ago, they really scratched the piss out of the rims on my 84 Magna when they replaced the tires (wheels were off the bike too). Needless to say I've never been back. Glenn --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > While I love Crossroads, they are certainly not > perfect....thats all I will say. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 11:06:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADG6uO7013501; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:06:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADG6t1H013490; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:06:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021113110312.020abfe8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:06:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: The local MC mercantile In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:54 AM 11/13/2002, Bruhl, George LT wrote: >If the dealership or store isn't willing to bargain...talk to a supervisor >or management and let them know you're walking and purchasing online. It >might just be a learning curve issue the local store has to approach. I tried that with Manassas Honda. Store manager didn't care. I'm not here to teach stores a lesson on how to treat customers. I am here as a consumer. And I'll go where the price is best unless the service is worth the extra money. Many of our local MC shops don't have that service component down (with exceptions of course - Cycle Sport has been good to me, as has Fast Lanes the two times I stopped by). ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 11:45:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADGj6O7013732; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:45:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADGj6jg013727; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:45:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MESINK_Inbound: 0 X-MESINK_MailForType: SMTP X-MESINK_SenderType: SMTP X-MESINK_Sender: lholland@XXXXXX X-MESINK_MailFor: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Laurie Holland subject: RE: The local MC mercantile Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:44:26 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" x-receiver: dc-cycles@XXXXXX x-sender: lholland@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0000519803554107d2@[172.30.1.4]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gADGj5O7013715 I have to come out of lurk mode here. Hey all...I'm Laurie, I live in Stafford. :) Just wanted to say that I've had nothing but positive experiences with MFI off of Prince William Pkwy in Woodbridge. They may not have a huge selection of apparel to try on or a huge selection of other things in their store, but they can order almost anything for you. I'm rather small in size and had a hard time finding a woman's riding jacket. Butch did research for me to find all different sorts of jackets according to what I was looking for. He ordered one w/ no obligation for me to buy. It didn't fit, so he ordered another size, saying they can always keep what they order for someone else to try on. They are the friendliest and most helpful people I have dealt with. Butch is the man to see! I will first and foremost always give my business to them. If you know what you want to buy, I would talk to them first, and asking if they will price match never hurts! :) Laurie -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] I tried that with Manassas Honda. Store manager didn't care. I'm not here to teach stores a lesson on how to treat customers. I am here as a consumer. And I'll go where the price is best unless the service is worth the extra money. Many of our local MC shops don't have that service component down (with exceptions of course - Cycle Sport has been good to me, as has Fast Lanes the two times I stopped by). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 12:07:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADH7IO7013938; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:07:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADH7HKX013928; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:07:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200211131706.PXT23195@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:06:35 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: The local MC mercantile Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I have to come out of lurk mode here. Hey all...I'm Laurie, I live in >Stafford. :) [Dave] YIKES ! Stafford resident delurking off the port bow ! Raise shields ;-) 1st one comes out, now the lurkers are coming out of the woodwork. The more the merrier... > Just wanted to say that I've had nothing but positive >experiences with MFI off of Prince William Pkwy in Woodbridge. [Dave] Just out of curiosity, how far off PW Pkwy ? .... >Butch is the man to see! [Dave] This line must be meant for Gimer ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 12:12:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADHCTO7013996; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:12:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADHCTv1013988; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:12:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021113121103.021d9238@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:12:25 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: The local MC mercantile In-Reply-To: <200211131706.PXT23195@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:06 PM 11/13/2002, Dave Yates wrote: >[Dave] Just out of curiosity, how far off PW Pkwy ? Very close to the Cannons stadium. Right between the "turn to stay on the parkway and head to 95" light and Smoketown Road on the hill overlooking the parkway. Closer to Smoketown actually - near the Sheetz. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 12:24:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADHOkO7014084; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:24:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADHOkgW014077; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:24:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MESINK_Inbound: 0 X-MESINK_MailForType: SMTP X-MESINK_SenderType: SMTP X-MESINK_Sender: lholland@XXXXXX X-MESINK_MailFor: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Laurie Holland subject: RE: The local MC mercantile Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:24:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" x-receiver: dc-cycles@XXXXXX x-sender: lholland@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <000052c903567207d2@[172.30.1.4]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gADHOiO7014065 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:Dave@XXXXXX] >YIKES ! Stafford resident delurking off the port >bow ! Raise shields ;-) [Laurie] We're not all so bad!!! ;) >Just out of curiosity, how far off PW Pkwy ? [Laurie] http://www.motorcyclefactoryinc.com/contact.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 15:28:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADKSjO7015312; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:28:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gADKSiSl015305; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:28:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:28:24 +0000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The local MC mercantile MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <57E0A352.56C09FD4.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I get all of my bikes work done at Cycle Sport now located in Alexandria. Pete has always done a great job. He'll even do custom fabrication of parts if he has to to get it right. He rigged a cig lighter adapter into the R6 for the GPS and you can't even tell it's there. Buy most of my gear there too. At least the stuff I don't get off of ebay. :-) Scooter In a message dated 11/13/2002 11:06:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > At 07:54 AM 11/13/2002, Bruhl, George LT wrote: > >If the dealership or store isn't willing to bargain...talk to a supervisor > >or management and let them know you're walking and purchasing online. It > >might just be a learning curve issue the local store has to approach. > > I tried that with Manassas Honda. Store manager didn't care. I'm not here > to teach stores a lesson on how to treat customers. I am here as a > consumer. And I'll go where the price is best unless the service is worth > the extra money. Many of our local MC shops don't have that service > component down (with exceptions of course - Cycle Sport has > been good to > me, as has Fast Lanes the two times I stopped by). > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 20:26:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAE1QcO7018438; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:26:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAE1Qb24018430; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:26:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DD2FD0E.74E5F708@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:31:58 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mprodgers@XXXXXX CC: "'Fruehwald, David'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hi everyone References: <614D6A17BFC5D511A540204C4F4F5020079A8D@MAINSERVER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patti Rodgers wrote: > For Service, go to Crossroads Cycle in Bailey's Crossroads. The guys are > really nice, they do excellent work (I have never heard of anyone having to > take a bike back to repair the repairs they did) and reasonably priced. Add me to the list of unhappy Crossroads Cyucles customers. They lost my ignition key, installed a breather tube backwards, and forgot to tighten the side cover bolts, lost one on the road. And YES, 40 miles down the road my bike was on the hook to be dragged back to CC because they forgot to torque the cam gear nut! It fell off, rendering the bike sparkless and breathless. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 22:05:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAE35IO7018902; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:05:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAE35H35018892; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:05:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021113220100.009ff300@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:05:03 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC In-Reply-To: <200211140000.gAE001Oa016585@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:00 PM 11/13/02, Steve Price wrote: >Has anybody on the list tried Bob's BMW. We have a super parts and acc >dept. We are No 1 in the country for parts and acc. We carry a full line >of First Gear, Gerbing, Arai. Shoei, plus BMW gear. Come on down. >Steve Nice ad. Not. Bob's seems like an excellent dealership. But to my uncalibrated eyeballs, you have a *lot* less gear in stock and available for trying-on than Battley does. And for those of us in northern Virginia, you're located halfway to Bumphuc, Egypt. Why northern Va doesn't have a BMW bike dealership I will never understand. I'd love to own one, but I'm not riding to Richmond, Gaithersburg, or Laurel for parts and service. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 22:09:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAE39fO7018966; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:09:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAE39e6x018957; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:09:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Thomas Zell" To: Subject: Two '86 VFRs for Sale Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:09:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c28b8b$42e19430$0400a8c0@p4workstation> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Jeannette and I are buying a new home next spring and we're selling both bikes to come up with some down payment/whatever expense money. No worries as we'll be replacing all of this stuff once we're settled (a 954RR is calling my name J ). Here's what we have: 1986 VFR700F (770cc replacement motor) --- '91 CBR F2 front suspension --- '91 CBR 17" wheels w/new D207 rubber --- Fox Twin-Clicker adjustable shock (made for the VFR) --- New factory rear cowl and side covers --- Recovered (by me) factory seat --- Yoshimura 4-n-1 exhaust (pipes need painting) --- 15t front, 43t rear sprocket setup --- DynoJet Stage 2 jet kit w/K&N filter --- Cobalt Racing forward cowl (some repairs needed and some paint to match factory tank and rear. still looks good) --- CBR switch-gear --- New battery --- Needs a good tune-up (I'll probably do it before hand) --- Make a reasonable offer (I'm thinking somewhere around $2500 or so) 1986 VFR700FII --- Coleman Howard's "Big Red" Cobalt Racing conversion VFR --- Factory front end converted for CBR F2 wheels --- Modified rear shock to raise ride-height --- CBR F2 rear wheel --- New D207 rubber --- Cobalt racing fiberglass bodywork w/solo tail and HRC seat pad (front cowl needs repair/replacement, have all new parts) --- New battery --- $1500/firm We're also selling our boat: 1983 4-Wiins Santara Cuddy Sport --- 23.5' cuddy cabin pleasure boat --- Mercruiser Alpha 1 stern-drive --- 383 CID small block Chevy 430 HP, 490 TQ (Vortec heads, Comp cam, 10.3:1 compression, Edelbrock, Holley, etc.) --- 25 hours on new engine --- 4" thru-hull exhaust (manifolds will need replacement this coming season, about $400 through BOAT/US) --- two stainless steel props (17* pitch and 21* pitch) --- one 23* pitch aluminum backup propeller --- Alpine CD player with Targa 400W amp and 4 speakers (two in the cabin, two in the cockpit) --- GPS, VHF, LORAN, Depth/fish finder, Compass --- New upholstery, captain's chair, and back-to-back chairs in 2000 --- swim platform --- Easy-Loader style roller trailer (dual axle) --- life jackets, tubing equipment, water ski equipment, ropes, wet suit, etc. --- Bimini top and boat cover --- misc parts, etc. --- cruise at 40 MPH, top speed of 55+ (well over 60 MPH with the right prop) --- NADA value is over $9000.. $8000 or best offer. Thanks!!! Tom & Jeannette '86 VFR770 '86 VFR700 "Big Red" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 22:09:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAE39sO7018993; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:09:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAE39sRE018989; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:09:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:22:21 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021113220100.009ff300@mail.9netave.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > And for those of us in northern Virginia, you're located halfway to > Bumphuc, Egypt. Why northern Va doesn't have a BMW bike dealership I will > never understand. I'd love to own one, but I'm not riding to Richmond, > Gaithersburg, or Laurel for parts and service. Yeah, that ride from NoVA to G'burg is killer long distance touring ;-) ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.purplecar.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 22:13:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAE3DGO7019050; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:13:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAE3DFYp019043; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:13:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021113220724.00a024a0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:13:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The local MC mercantile In-Reply-To: <200211140000.gAE001Oa016585@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:00 PM 11/13/02, Dave Yates wrote: >[Dave] The shop is in business to MAKE MONEY. They actually >have to earn a living at it, they're not hobbyists. Brick >and mortar shops around here have a bit of a tough go at it, >since only the true die hards ride year round. They >have 'real' slow seasons. .... Then why don't they open for some useful shopping hours on weekends for us diehards who actually spend money? I do my shopping mostly on Sundays since we have scheduled tennis and other activities on Saturdays. Guess how many bike shops have Sunday sales hours? Nada. Even on Saturdays, many (most?) shops close around 4pm. How many DC-cycles folks take can time off during the week to go cycle gear browsing? Not many, I bet. Seems to me that every bike shop I've run across is a hobbyist activity rather than a real business. If they cared about clothing and accessory sales, they'd be open more on weekends and close on Monday or Tuesday. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 22:30:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAE3U9O7019155; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:30:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAE3U8sa019147; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:30:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:21:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021113220100.009ff300@mail.9netave.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Well, you don't have to go ALL the way to Richmond, as Morton's is in Spotsylvania (Fredericksburg). That's where I got my bike and I like 'em. Speaking of mailorder gear: A small plug for my employers - www.adventuremotogear.com and www.ladyriderswear.com LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com llarson@XXXXXX said: Nice ad. Not. Bob's seems like an excellent dealership. But to my uncalibrated eyeballs, you have a *lot* less gear in stock and available for trying-on than Battley does. And for those of us in northern Virginia, you're located halfway to Bumphuc, Egypt. Why northern Va doesn't have a BMW bike dealership I will never understand. I'd love to own one, but I'm not riding to Richmond, Gaithersburg, or Laurel for parts and service. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 23:16:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAE4GLO7019389; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:16:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAE4GKed019378; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:16:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 14 Nov 2002 04:16:16 GMT Message-ID: <007101c28b91$51b17ba0$20fea8c0@smurfslayer> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021113220724.00a024a0@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: The local MC mercantile Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:52:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 With my usual grasp of the obvious, I pointed out: > >[Dave] The shop is in business to MAKE MONEY. ... > Larry then lamented: > Then why don't they open for some useful shopping hours on weekends for us > diehards who actually spend money? > > I do my shopping mostly on Sundays since we have scheduled tennis and other > activities on Saturdays. Guess how many bike shops have Sunday sales hours? > Nada. [Dave] While on one hand, I can agree & understand, If I were a m/c shop worker, I'd probably want at least one weekend day free too. In fact, I would probably want BOTH weekend days free... Maybe even... paid vacation ! ! ! ! > > Even on Saturdays, many (most?) shops close around 4pm. > How many DC-cycles folks take can time off during the week to go cycle gear > browsing? Not many, I bet. Seems to me that every bike shop I've run across > is a hobbyist activity rather than a real business. [Dave] I maintain that this condition is our own fault. Example number 1: "Sorry guys, I can't go riding this weekend, my pinhead manager F@cked up the mail server & I have to fix it." Example number 2: " Mr. Pinhead, Sorry, I can't make it I'm having an anxiety attack that only a group motorcycle ride will cure. You'll have to call back the client server maggot you fired in a foolish downsizing move, hire her back as a contractor, making 3 times your salary to get that mail server re-orged this weekend." I like my company and all, it's a pretty good job, close to home, good benefits & the $$$ is ok, but the company gets more than enough of my time. I was talking to a guy at a motorcycle shop one time, and somehow we got on the subject of salary. I was actually ashamed at making _that_much_more than he was... I can understand why the motivation level isn't that high. As a society, we've come to expect everything to be available to us RIGHT NOW, and NOTHING else will do. I mean, really, in the world of motorcycle accessories, what constitutes "an emergency" ? I took vows with my wife, not my employer. I prefer to spend time with the former, and as a necessity, offer my services to my employer; I get paid for 8, I do 8, & go home to my wife. People that I interact with at the office are my coworkers. Any coworkers I get along with sufficient to be friends is a bonus. After not too much of this attitude, my wife is actually helping me start the bike, helping me put my 'stich on so I can go riding & she can have some peace & quiet ! :-) >If they cared about > clothing and accessory sales, they'd be open more on weekends and close on > Monday or Tuesday. [Dave] Everybody here who wants to work Saturday & Sunday, and have off Monday & Tuesday, raise your hands............... A lot of cage dealers are also not open on Sundays too, though... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 13 23:38:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAE4cXO7019506; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:38:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAE4cXga019499; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:38:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021114043831.53700.qmail@web20706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:38:31 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: The local MC mercantile To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021113220724.00a024a0@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Then why don't they open for some useful shopping hours on weekends > for us > diehards who actually spend money? hear, hear! But I do salute their being closed on Sunday's. What I don't get is why most are closed on MONDAY. After a weekend ride, I can't count the number of times I've wanted/needed to get something and can't. Close on Wed/Thurs is fine by me. For the record Whitt's HD is open 7 days a week and open till late too. I guess the margin or is it the volume on cars/trucks is a LOT higher because practically every auto dealership I've ever been to is open to AT LEAST 7pm and often a lot later. Can't say the service departments are that friendly, though. I know of many instances where they close up shop at 5pm sharp and could care less if the customer is inconvenienced. Running a business is probably a lot harder than it looks so I will let those with actual experience comment further. But to me, the consumer, it would be at least a reasonable step to stay open later a couple nights a week. Heck even the USPS does that. I don't begrudge them their Sat hours though. FWIW I will frequent MFI and Cycle Accessories Discounters whenever it's appropriate and will continue to highly recommend Shanandoah Honda as well. Oh and Fastlane but they are no longer as convenient and CAD keeps beating them consistantly on pricing. In the 2 short years I've been biking I've found that I rarely anymore need to try on stuff locally and with online outfits like newenough.com the sizing question is nearly moot. When you already know what you want, paying a stiff penalty for a local source doesn't make sense. Some of the well-known etailers are also brick and motar, so how do they pull it off? I'm not quibling over 5 or 10 bucks and even adding sales tax to the figure, I'm talking a pricing differencial of 30+ percent AND some of the coccamaime BS like refusing to mount tires not bought at the shop. Hmm, old(er) tires, grossly inflated prices, userous mounting fees... I'll do it myself, thanks or give my patronage to shops who charge a more reasonable rate. > How many DC-cycles folks take can time off during the week to go > cycle gear browsing? I don't need to take time off, per say. That's what 2hr lunches are for. Just make it up some other day, really. so Larry. Are all your tennis shops open 7 days a week till late, too? Then again how often do you need to go back for bobby socks, shorts, and balls? I have yet to find the perfect shop but I've pretty much narrowed down the ones I like and with whom I will do business. ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 00:19:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAE5JXO7019722; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:19:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAE5JWuV019715; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:19:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021114051930.50881.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:19:30 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: looking for power outlet solutions To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, BMW has these Hella brand plugs on their bikes and I can supposedly get them for ~$6 each which while not exactly inexpensive isn't quite the sheer lunatic pricing BMW wants. I can get the ubiquitous cigarette lighter sockets (just haven't found a panel-mount version with cap as yet - clues?) but the buggers are HUGE. All I want is a nice, small, clean way to provide power to multiple on-bike accessories like GPS, cdrom, mp3, FRS etc. So far for $4 from the likes of RadioShack I can get your very common DC power plug in a 12mm panel mount setup. With a little silicone sealant and shrink-tubing I figure that'll be good enough for the main wiring if I can some how keep the water from shorting out the socket itself which is otherwise open to the elements. I would like to have the option of using your ordinary blade connector on the back of the power socket but all I've run across are of the solder variety. Can anyone recommend a GOOD electronics supply store (purhaps biased toward automotive) in the area that likewise has a wide selection of suppliers' catalogues to browse thru? I tried an outfit in Arlington and they were less than helpful. ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 03:11:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAE8BMO7020805; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 03:11:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAE8BMwt020798; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 03:11:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: The local MC mercantile From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021113220724.00a024a0@mail.9netave.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021113220724.00a024a0@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 14 Nov 2002 03:11:03 -0500 Message-Id: <1037261468.20642.511.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 22:13, llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > Seems to me that every bike shop I've run across > is a hobbyist activity rather than a real business. If they cared about > clothing and accessory sales, they'd be open more on weekends and close on > Monday or Tuesday. What's worse is... the dealerships in this area gouge you on what they do have. Which makes you wonder - Harley Davidson learned a few years ago it could make a hell of a lot of money selling logo merchandise (I believe it now accounts for almost 50% of the motor company's annual profits)... why don't "metric" dealerships catch onto this? Having worked at a shop for the last two years, I know what dealer cost is on this stuff. I would *never* purchase anything locally unless it was a dire emergency (as in I lost something I needed that morning to go ride). We generally mark things up 15% - 20%. We're happy, the customer is happy ... everyone wins. I understand the cost of doing business is higher in NoVA than it is in DE, but banging people for 80%-100% mark-up is just rude. Especially considering "customer service" may as well be an alien concept in this area. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 06:24:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEBOcO7021959; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:24:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEBOXnJ021944; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:24:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:24:18 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021113220100.009ff300@mail.9netave.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021113220100.009ff300@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211140624181P.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 13 November 2002 22:05, llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > At 07:00 PM 11/13/02, Steve Price wrote: > >Has anybody on the list tried Bob's BMW. We have a super parts and acc > >dept. We are No 1 in the country for parts and acc. We carry a full line > >of First Gear, Gerbing, Arai. Shoei, plus BMW gear. Come on down. > >Steve > > Nice ad. Not. > > Bob's seems like an excellent dealership. But to my uncalibrated eyeballs, > you have a *lot* less gear in stock and available for trying-on than > Battley does. > > And for those of us in northern Virginia, you're located halfway to > Bumphuc, Egypt. Why northern Va doesn't have a BMW bike dealership I will > never understand. I'd love to own one, but I'm not riding to Richmond, > Gaithersburg, or Laurel for parts and service. > Jeeze, Spotsylvania isn't all that bad. I took my gloves back Saturday but I called first. I misplaced my receipt and didn't want to dick around in traffic, especially on Rt 3, if I could help it. I spoke to Jay and explained the situation (must have been discarded with the bag). He just said to bring them back. I got a new pair, no muss, no fuss and I was on my way. I continue on to the courthouse and take the back roads over to Rt 3 and stop at Chipulte's (yea, I probably spelled it wrong) before heading home. I tried them this morning and with the 'stat at 50% I was toasty. > -- Larry Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 07:17:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAECHeO7022240; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:17:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAECHdgH022233; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:17:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:29:58 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: looking for power outlet solutions In-Reply-To: <20021114051930.50881.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, matthew patton wrote: > Can anyone recommend a GOOD electronics supply store (purhaps biased > toward automotive) in the area that likewise has a wide selection of > suppliers' catalogues to browse thru? I tried an outfit in Arlington > and they were less than helpful. Just a generic suggestion - try an audio shop. They usually have a good selection of catalogs. I got my nitrous switches from a stereo store catalog. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 07:23:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAECNsO7022309; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:23:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAECNrVU022303; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:23:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:36:16 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC In-Reply-To: <0211140624181P.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > I continue on to the courthouse and take the back roads over to Rt 3 and stop > at Chipulte's (yea, I probably spelled it wrong) before heading home. Mmmmm... Chipotle :-) That's good stuff. > I tried them this morning and with the 'stat at 50% I was toasty. Cool, glad to hear you got them working. Pretty chilly up here near Frederick this AM. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 07:37:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAECbrO7022404; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:37:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAECbrH8022394; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:37:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'Fish Flowers'" Cc: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:37:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" Iron Butt Association may have a planned kit... but there are resources on the net for content. Use a ziplock bag don't forget the tourniquet. Wal mart has good prices on content items. gb my 2cents +AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9- Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:58:06 -0600 (CST) From: To: Subject: First Aid Kit It's come time to shell out some of my own hard-earned cash for some necessities, like a first aid kit... but I don't know what a good first aid kit would contain. The ones Aerostich sells seem overly expensive, and anyway they don't really mention what they contain. Does anyone have firm opinions on what a good, compact, moto-specific first aid kit should contain? I'm thinking that the contents of most compact kits (pinky bandages) would be useless, while things like gauze and tourniquets become rather more important. Any thoughts? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 07:38:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAECcgO7022443; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:38:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAECcfhT022438; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:38:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:38:34 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211140738341U.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 14 November 2002 07:36, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > I continue on to the courthouse and take the back roads over to Rt 3 and > > stop at Chipulte's (yea, I probably spelled it wrong) before heading > > home. > > Mmmmm... Chipotle :-) That's good stuff. > Oh yea. I got the hot sauce one time. I think they put it mainly at the end of the burrito because it was ok until the last couple of bites and then, *woo hoo* > > I tried them this morning and with the 'stat at 50% I was toasty. > > Cool, glad to hear you got them working. Pretty chilly up here near > Frederick this AM. > I'm going to have to get the highway bars and hit the metal shops to get it to fit so I can get the soft lowers. That updraft flips up the face shield at about 80. I get plenty of warning so it's not a surprise but it sure is cold. > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 07:56:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAECuRO7022550; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:56:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAECuQww022546; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:56:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ0BMA7TpaxMOhjxPPuyzeRcj/D3tLlHyHCIgpcUvBSpu5dAARi4FM+Z7dAPxgYLDc= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: The local MC mercantile Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:56:23 -0500 Message-ID: <003301c28bdd$3c9d99f0$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021114043831.53700.qmail@web20706.mail.yahoo.com> M/C shops are closed on Sunday b/c it's race day, and closed on Monday b/c it's the day after race day. -----------matthew patton wrote: > Then why don't they open for some useful shopping hours on weekends > for us > diehards who actually spend money? hear, hear! But I do salute their being closed on Sunday's. What I don't get is why most are closed on MONDAY. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 08:07:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAED7eO7022643; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:07:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAED7dLD022637; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:07:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021114130736.20585.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 05:07:36 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: The local MC mercantile To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <003301c28bdd$3c9d99f0$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jon Strang wrote: > M/C shops are closed on Sunday b/c it's race day, and closed on > Monday b/c > it's the day after race day. oh please. Like any of the shops that are involved in racing don't have any extra staff. BTW, *THE* race shops with active racers, Fastlane and CAD are open 6 days a week and have the best hours of any of them. ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 08:30:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEDUaO7022783; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:30:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEDUZTC022777; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:30:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DD3A550.3060502@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:29:52 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021113220100.009ff300@mail.9netave.com> <0211140624181P.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: >On Wednesday 13 November 2002 22:05, llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > > >>At 07:00 PM 11/13/02, Steve Price wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >Jeeze, Spotsylvania isn't all that bad. I took my gloves back Saturday but I >called first. I misplaced my receipt and didn't want to dick around in >traffic, especially on Rt 3, if I could help it. > > Route 3, ugh. >I tried them this morning and with the 'stat at 50% I was toasty. > i musta missed something here, what gloves did you get, how much? And what bike? How hard was the install? Thanks, Tom de '98 VTR - shopping for heated stuff, i you can't tell. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 08:41:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEDfpO7022903; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:41:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEDfpsh022893; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:41:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: looking for power outlet solutions Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:41:47 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021114051930.50881.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Try Jastek at www.jastek7.com Not cheap, but quality. You might think of using the 2 prong SAE connectors or the BMW type plugs. I use both my bikes are WIRED. LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:20 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: looking for power outlet solutions Ok, BMW has these Hella brand plugs on their bikes and I can supposedly get them for ~$6 each which while not exactly inexpensive isn't quite the sheer lunatic pricing BMW wants. I can get the ubiquitous cigarette lighter sockets (just haven't found a panel-mount version with cap as yet - clues?) but the buggers are HUGE. All I want is a nice, small, clean way to provide power to multiple on-bike accessories like GPS, cdrom, mp3, FRS etc. So far for $4 from the likes of RadioShack I can get your very common DC power plug in a 12mm panel mount setup. With a little silicone sealant and shrink-tubing I figure that'll be good enough for the main wiring if I can some how keep the water from shorting out the socket itself which is otherwise open to the elements. I would like to have the option of using your ordinary blade connector on the back of the power socket but all I've run across are of the solder variety. Can anyone recommend a GOOD electronics supply store (purhaps biased toward automotive) in the area that likewise has a wide selection of suppliers' catalogues to browse thru? I tried an outfit in Arlington and they were less than helpful. ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 09:19:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEEJ3O7023092; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:19:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEEJ3CC023085; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:19:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:18:55 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021113220100.009ff300@mail.9netave.com> <0211140624181P.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3DD3A550.3060502@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3DD3A550.3060502@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211140918551Y.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 14 November 2002 08:29, Tom de wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > >On Wednesday 13 November 2002 22:05, llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > >>At 07:00 PM 11/13/02, Steve Price wrote: > > > >Jeeze, Spotsylvania isn't all that bad. I took my gloves back Saturday but > > I called first. I misplaced my receipt and didn't want to dick around in > > traffic, especially on Rt 3, if I could help it. > > Route 3, ugh. > > >I tried them this morning and with the 'stat at 50% I was toasty. > > i musta missed something here, what gloves did you get, how much? And > what bike? How hard was the install? > 2002 Harley-Davidson Softail EFI (the '02 FXSTI referenced in my .sig :-) A couple of weeks back I went down to Morton's to buy some electric gear. Gerbing's jacket liner, heat-troller and gloves. Sunday I got it all connected up. It was a piece of cake. Pull the battery out, remove the bolts, put the ends over the bolts, screw it down and plug in. I went on an evening test ride. The first thirty minutes was just fine but after I stopped at Food Lion, nothing worked. I shorted out 6 15 amp fuses until I figured out what the problem was (short in the right glove). Saturday I took them back for a new pair which worked great this morning. > Thanks, > > Tom de '98 VTR - shopping for heated stuff, i you can't tell. Morton's carries both of the major brands; Gerbing's and Widder. The prices are the same as the website. The sizing charts were interesting. I had to try on the jacket liner until I found the right one for my 6'2" big frame :-) Umm, jacket, gloves and heat-troller worked out to be $425 or so after taxes. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 09:23:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEEN1O7023145; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:23:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEEN0KS023139; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:23:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021114142221.39764.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:22:21 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: The local MC mercantile To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021114043831.53700.qmail@web20706.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > > bobby socks, shorts, and balls did i miss something? is there a relaxed ride coming up? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 09:32:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEEWFO7023207; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:32:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEEWErf023203; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:32:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021114143207.91635.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:32:07 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: The local MC mercantile To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021114130736.20585.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > > --- Jon Strang wrote: > > M/C shops are closed on Sunday b/c it's race day, and > closed on > > Monday b/c > > it's the day after race day. > > oh please. Like any of the shops that are involved in > racing don't have > any extra staff. if i'm a small business owner, i really don't want to leave my store in the hands of "extra staff." the extra staff tend to carry out more than they brought with them to work. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 09:33:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEEX1O7023245; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:33:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEEX15B023240; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:33:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200211141432.PXV01669@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:33:00 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: The local MC mercantile Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gimer asks - >--- matthew patton wrote: >> >> bobby socks, shorts, and balls > >did i miss something? is there a relaxed ride coming up? [Dave] Maybe Chuck is coordinating this one ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 10:07:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEF7hO7023469; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:07:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEF7ggp023459; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:07:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ/AqiBJKB5nwyQdgbQ+TrkLrhLVKn4d7kl2qrw7XEXIg4yPt0Zm1mH3sPkFA6J1E8= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: The local MC mercantile Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:07:39 -0500 Message-ID: <004001c28bef$939ab730$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021114143207.91635.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> Mattpatt demonstrated his amazing powers of logic: > oh please. Like any of the shops that are involved in > racing don't have > any extra staff. Historically, m/c shops were owned and operated by an enthusiast with maybe a kid to sweep up and a mechanic named Clem. Everyone packed their race bikes (and a spotted dog named "Stripe") in one old panel van, and they drove all Saturday afternoon to the Swamp Rat Enduro or to Corn Holler MX Park. They slept that night in the van or a tent, raced, then drove back Sunday night. They got back to town at 3 am, and took Monday off to heal and sleep. Jebus, the only reason anyone owned a bike shop 20 years ago was to support their own addiction. But as Mattpatt pointed out, the small enthusiast shop is no longer the norm. But he forgot about the inertia inherent in all human activity...which can usually be summed up as "But that's the way we've always done it." --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 10:47:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEFlFO7023774; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:47:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEFlEc3023769; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:47:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MESINK_Inbound: 0 X-MESINK_MailForType: SMTP X-MESINK_SenderType: SMTP X-MESINK_Sender: lholland@XXXXXX X-MESINK_MailFor: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Laurie Holland subject: RE: NOW: Chipotle....WAS: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:46:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" x-receiver: dc-cycles@XXXXXX x-sender: lholland@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0000688a046c3307d2@[172.30.1.4]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gAEFlDO7023752 -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > I continue on to the courthouse and take the back roads over to Rt 3 and stop > at Chipulte's (yea, I probably spelled it wrong) before heading home. Mmmmm... Chipotle :-) That's good stuff. [Laurie] ...ooooh...There is a Chipotle on Rt 3?! Where, where?! I never knew!!!! Good stuff. :) Please tell me where it is! Laurie '99 F4 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 10:57:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEFvUO7023899; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:57:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEFvTaB023893; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:57:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] From: "Rob Keiser" To: lholland@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: NOW: Chipotle.... Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:56:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2002 15:56:22.0911 (UTC) FILETIME=[613898F0:01C28BF6] Ok, dammit, now I'm hungry! In Herndon, there is another place that I think might just edge Chipotles. Hole in the wall Teocalli Temale on Elden. Nice guy runs the shop and it got a really good review in the Post a couple weeks ago. All items made to order and well priced. Would be cool to start seeing some more bikes there! Rob '98 VFR800 From: Laurie Holland To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: NOW: Chipotle....WAS: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:46:42 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > I continue on to the courthouse and take the back roads over to Rt 3 and stop > at Chipulte's (yea, I probably spelled it wrong) before heading home. Mmmmm... Chipotle :-) That's good stuff. [Laurie] ...ooooh...There is a Chipotle on Rt 3?! Where, where?! I never knew!!!! Good stuff. :) Please tell me where it is! Laurie '99 F4 _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 11:07:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEG75O7024000; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:07:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEG75sd023993; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:07:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:11:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: NOW: Chipotle....WAS: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC In-Reply-To: <0000688a046c3307d2@[172.30.1.4]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Laurie Holland wrote: > Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:46:42 -0500 > From: Laurie Holland > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: NOW: Chipotle....WAS: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > I continue on to the courthouse and take the back roads over to Rt 3 and > stop > > at Chipulte's (yea, I probably spelled it wrong) before heading home. > > Mmmmm... Chipotle :-) That's good stuff. > > [Laurie] ...ooooh...There is a Chipotle on Rt 3?! Where, where?! I never > knew!!!! Good stuff. :) Please tell me where it is! Doesn't McDonalds own Chipotle? I know it's a chain. Much better Mexican is Guajillo's in Arlington: http://eg.washingtonpost.com/profile/1028543/?&flavor_id=2&context=restaurants -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 11:07:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEG7kO7024037; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:07:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEG7ixA024026; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:07:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:12:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: NOW: Chipotle.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Rob Keiser wrote: > Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:56:22 -0500 > From: Rob Keiser > To: lholland@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: NOW: Chipotle.... > > Ok, dammit, now I'm hungry! > > In Herndon, there is another place that I think might just edge Chipotles. > Hole in the wall Teocalli Temale on Elden. Nice guy runs the shop and it > got a really good review in the Post a couple weeks ago. And then there's Tortilla Factory!!! -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 11:18:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEGI3O7024116; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:18:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEGI3QB024112; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:18:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: NOW: Chipotle....WAS: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:17:55 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <0000688a046c3307d2@[172.30.1.4]> In-Reply-To: <0000688a046c3307d2@[172.30.1.4]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02111411175522.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 14 November 2002 10:46, Laurie Holland wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > I continue on to the courthouse and take the back roads over to Rt 3 and > > stop > > > at Chipulte's (yea, I probably spelled it wrong) before heading home. > > Mmmmm... Chipotle :-) That's good stuff. > > [Laurie] ...ooooh...There is a Chipotle on Rt 3?! Where, where?! I never > knew!!!! Good stuff. :) Please tell me where it is! > It's in the "Central Park Mall" but faces Rt 3. I take the theater (second light) right turn and make the first right. They don't have a sign on that road but it's the second building back from the Central Park road. --------+ +-----------+ Rt 3 + | | | | | Sheetz? | | | | | | | | | | | +-------+ | | + | | + | | + | +----+ | | | | | | | | | | |Chip| | | | + +----+ | | | | | | + | | If the map sucks, follow the directions (use a fixed font instead of proportional). > Laurie > '99 F4 I'm sure there's one in Georgetown and one up in one of the squares in NW but I'm not sure about that one. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 11:33:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEGWxO7024270; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:33:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEGWxqV024264; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:32:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021114163253.18514.qmail@web13604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:32:53 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Sanjour Subject: For Sale: 1998 BMW K1200RSL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm posting this for a friend. It's a nice bike. He never let me ride it (probably a good thing...) For Sale: 1998 BMW K1200RSL 12K miles very good condition, low miles, barbacks, throttlemeister, hard bags $9500 home phone 301-422-8946 work 301-394-1886 ask for Dave Joe '99 SV650 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 12:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEHJ2O7024628; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:19:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEHJ1pW024621; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:19:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <824E43D2EA48AA43918E634F0DEE55CA9EBEFC@uspto-is-105.uspto.gov> From: Larry.Larson@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Kitchell nuptials announced, deformity revealed! Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:18:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nice to see Mr. Kitchell receive his 15 minutes of fame in the Post. A wedding in France sounds awfully nice. Now I'd just like to know where he has his moto helmets customized to accomodate the cow sticking out of his right ear. Regards, Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 12:21:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEHLjO7024671; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:21:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEHLjAW024664; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:21:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MESINK_Inbound: 0 X-MESINK_MailForType: SMTP X-MESINK_SenderType: SMTP X-MESINK_Sender: lholland@XXXXXX X-MESINK_MailFor: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Laurie Holland subject: FW: NOW: Chipotle Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:21:32 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" x-receiver: dc-cycles@XXXXXX x-sender: lholland@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <00006b91046f3a07d2@[172.30.1.4]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gAEHLhO7024652 -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] >It's in the "Central Park Mall" but faces Rt 3. I take the theater (second light) right turn and make the first right. They don't have a sign on that road but it's the second building back from the Central Park road. [Laurie] Well go ahead!!! Thanks for the map! ;) I might have to check that place out this weekend if I make it down there. >I'm sure there's one in Georgetown and one up in one of the squares in NW but I'm not sure about that one. [Laurie] I also know of one in Crystal City. Mmmmm... Laurie '99 F4 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 12:38:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEHchO7024793; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:38:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEHcgRU024785; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:38:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021114173833.92676.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:38:33 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Kitchell nuptials announced, deformity revealed! To: Larry.Larson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <824E43D2EA48AA43918E634F0DEE55CA9EBEFC@uspto-is-105.uspto.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I will have you know that is a HORSE! Taken at the Monpelier Horse races 2 weeks ago. Page C9 is yesterday's Post if you want to see it. Not online. And all done for my mother. mark --- Larry.Larson@XXXXXX wrote: > Nice to see Mr. Kitchell receive his 15 minutes of > fame in the Post. A > wedding in France sounds awfully nice. > > Now I'd just like to know where he has his moto > helmets customized to > accomodate the cow sticking out of his right ear. > > Regards, > Larry > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 12:51:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEHpVO7024905; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:51:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEHpVF0024899; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:51:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:03:48 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: NOW: Chipotle....WAS: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > Doesn't McDonalds own Chipotle? I know it's a chain. Yes. > Much better Mexican is Guajillo's in Arlington: Chipotle is nice because you can get a reasonably healthy lunch quickly and for a reasonable price. Skip the tortilla (around 200 calories) and they'll put your burrito in a bowl. Skip the sour cream, cheese and gauc and you'll keep the fat at a healthy level (although Avocado does have healthier unsaturated fats, most people over do it and eat too large a serving :-) ). Chicken, black beans, a small amount of rice, hot salsa and lettuce in a bowl. You've got around 600-700 calories and it's pretty tasty :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 12:54:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEHsiO7024948; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:54:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEHshkp024944; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:54:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:48:07 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: looking for power outlet solutions MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4006DAB3.1FA9CD58.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Forget an automotive dealer. Try a boat dealer for a water/weatherproof setup. I bought an outlet from West Marine in Alexandria and had the guys at Cycle Sport install it. I think it was less than $10. Remember, you looked at it when you gave me a lift to pick up the bike and go to Laura's party. Their website is www.westmarine.com. It handled 6000+ miles with a GPS hooked up to it with no problems. Scooter In a message dated 11/14/2002 12:19:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > > > Ok, BMW has these Hella brand plugs on their bikes and I can supposedly > get them for ~$6 each which while not exactly inexpensive isn't quite > the sheer lunatic pricing BMW wants. I can get the ubiquitous cigarette > lighter sockets (just haven't found a panel-mount version with cap as > yet - clues?) but the buggers are HUGE. All I want is a nice, small, > clean way to provide power to multiple on-bike accessories like GPS, > cdrom, mp3, FRS etc. So far for $4 from the likes of RadioShack I can > get your very common DC power plug in a 12mm panel mount setup. With a > little silicone sealant and shrink-tubing I figure that'll be good > enough for the main wiring if I can some how keep the water from > shorting out the socket itself which is otherwise open to the elements. > I would like to have the option of using your ordinary blade connector > on the back of the power socket but all I've run across are of the > solder variety. > > Can anyone recommend a GOOD electronics supply store (purhaps biased > toward automotive) in the area that likewise has a wide selection of > suppliers' catalogues to browse thru? I tried an outfit in Arlington > and they were less than helpful. > > ===== > Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible > way. > - signed the Cat & the Dog > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 13:14:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEIEJO7025085; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:14:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEIEJC7025078; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:14:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: NOW: Chipotle....WAS: Why is it so tough to buy gear around DC Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:14:12 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02111413141229.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 14 November 2002 13:03, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > > Doesn't McDonalds own Chipotle? I know it's a chain. > > Yes. Man, now I feel violated. I eaten at a "McDonalds" since 76. I'm going to have to go wash my hands :-( > > Chicken, black beans, a small amount of rice, hot salsa and lettuce in a > bowl. You've got around 600-700 calories and it's pretty tasty :-) > Even though I don't like cheese much, it seems to go pretty well in the burrito. > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 14:05:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEJ5VO7025400; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:05:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEJ5Uai025392; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:05:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:05:26 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Lighting Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Got some questions for y'all on lighting schtuff. I'd like to do two things, which are probably mostly unrelated to each other, except they both involve lights: First, I'd like to be seen. I'm ordering a halo band for my helmet, and will probably pick up some reflective tape the next time I see it, so's I can plaster my pantlegs with some... but I'm thinking some lights might help. Does anyone have a good solution for this? Running lights seem the most applicable, though most of the ones I've seen are huge, and seemingly meant more for suburban assault vehicles. Does anyone have any experience with those funky valve-stem lights? They're certainly attention-getting... Second, I'd like to see Bambi before I smack into her. Does anyone supplement their OEM headlamp with driving or fog lights? I understand PIAA comes highly recommended... Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 14:09:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEJ9PO7025440; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:09:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEJ9OQ9025435; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:09:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52D86D7@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Lighting Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:10:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Don't bother w/ the Halo, I have one, like the idea but I now where them around my shoulders because they kept coming off the helmet. Just buy the tape. -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:05 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Lighting I'm ordering a halo band for my helmet, and will probably pick up some reflective tape the next time I see it, so's I can plaster my pantlegs with some... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 14:29:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEJTnO7025561; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:29:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEJTnfa025553; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:29:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:34:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Lighting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:05:26 -0600 (CST) > From: Fish Flowers > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Lighting > > Got some questions for y'all on lighting schtuff. I'd like to do two > things, which are probably mostly unrelated to each other, except they > both involve lights: I got a halo -- and of course, not long after the order shipped, I found the following web site: http://www.reflectivedecals.com/ > > Second, I'd like to see Bambi before I smack into her. Does anyone > supplement their OEM headlamp with driving or fog lights? I understand > PIAA comes highly recommended... > I've heard the same. Not cheap though. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 14:34:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEJYLO7025615; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:34:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEJYL5i025611; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:34:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: Lighting Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:34:00 -0600 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A641962308AF2027@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Lighting Thread-Index: AcKMFLraj48wQRBcSE+qtI0C83ysHw== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gAEJYKO7025599 Tapeworks makes a neat product called Rim Stealth, invisible in the daytime but shows up great at night. Much better IMO than those silly stem lights http://www.tapeworks.com/RimStealth/Rimstealth.html George Cole 02 VFR 02 KDX 220R (FOR SALE) >>> Fish Flowers 11/14/02 02:05PM >>> Got some questions for y'all on lighting schtuff. I Does anyone have any experience with those funky valve-stem lights? They're certainly attention-getting... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 14:47:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEJlnO7025752; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:47:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEJlnmi025745; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:47:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:47:38 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Lighting To: Rich Hall Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <3DD3FDDA.580B7460@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD52D86D7@SERVER1> Rich Hall wrote: > > Don't bother w/ the Halo, I have one, like the idea but I now where them > around my shoulders because they kept coming off the helmet. Just buy the > tape. Try using little dabs of Glue Stick stuff around the perimeter of your helmet to help keep the Halo in place better. It's not permanent, but it grips the neoprene backing of the Halo pretty well. Some newer helmets are too rounded at the bottom to give the Halo much grip. The Halo lasts much longer if it's not coming off (and having to go back on) all the time, too. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 14:50:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEJoEO7025800; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:50:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEJoE85025791; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:50:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Lighting Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:50:06 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211141450062E.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 14 November 2002 14:34, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Fish Flowers wrote: > > Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:05:26 -0600 (CST) > > From: Fish Flowers > > To: DC-Cycles > > Subject: Lighting > > > > Got some questions for y'all on lighting schtuff. I'd like to do two > > things, which are probably mostly unrelated to each other, except they > > both involve lights: > > I got a halo -- and of course, not long after the order shipped, I > found the following web site: > > http://www.reflectivedecals.com/ > I'll have to check that one out. I've just been cutting up the roll/flat tape and putting them on my helmet. There's a wide octagon sticker bracketed with yellow and tapering down to white. I cut them out of the 2" red reflective tape, 2" yellow reflective tape, and some sheets of white I got at Morton's. It all pretty much looks white in a camera flash though. I don't know how it looks from a cars perspective though. I was trying to make sure people saw me turning my head. If I look to the left before making a change, people should see the reflected light taper from a tall strip to a narrow strip, almost like a turn signal (I usually quickly look two or three times before and during the changing of lanes. It kept me from running into someone in my blind spot Tues or Wed). Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 15:23:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEKNRO7025992; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:23:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEKNPp4025981; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:23:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DD40782.2595AB8C@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:28:50 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Lighting References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > Got some questions for y'all on lighting schtuff. I'd like to do two > things, which are probably mostly unrelated to each other, except they > both involve lights: > > First, I'd like to be seen. I'm ordering a halo band for my helmet, and > will probably pick up some reflective tape the next time I see it, so's I > can plaster my pantlegs with some... but I'm thinking some lights might > help. Does anyone have a good solution for this? Running lights seem the > most applicable, though most of the ones I've seen are huge, and seemingly > meant more for suburban assault vehicles. Does anyone have any experience > with those funky valve-stem lights? They're certainly attention-getting... > > Second, I'd like to see Bambi before I smack into her. Does anyone > supplement their OEM headlamp with driving or fog lights? I understand > PIAA comes highly recommended... > > Fish. My Hawg has a pair of dumb aux lights in front but they'll only work when the headlamp is on lo-beam - as per DOT regs. Of course the Aussies are different so buried in the wire harness is two options for the extra lamps - US and AUS - the AUS means the lamps only work on hi-beam! Liek fog lamps, they have a Wiiidddee pattern. Great for lighting the roadside you've allready commited to passing at Warp 3. You might look for those dinky quartz lamps - toss an incredable amount of light down the road. Of course you're next problem might be smoke from your overworked alternator :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 15:29:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEKT6O7026048; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:29:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEKT5vH026041; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:29:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: fish@XXXXXX Message-Id: <200211142029.PAA06715@oracledb1.economist.com> Content-type: text/plain Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:28:42 -0500 Subject: An article for you from an Economist.com reader. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - AN ARTICLE FOR YOU, FROM ECONOMIST.COM Dear DC-Cycles, Fish Flowers (fish@XXXXXX) wants you to see this article on Economist.com. The sender also included the following message for you: Normally I'd just send a link, but this is one of their "protected" articles... ************************************************************************************************************************************************************ AMORE Will NY love Italian scooters? MOTOR-SCOOTERS may be a common sight in European cities, but in America the lithe two-wheelers are something of a rarity. London boasts four times more registered motorcycles (including scooters) than New York. Only in California, where scooters made their debut in the mid-1950s, have the machines established a big following. Piaggio USA, a subsidiary of Fiat, has just opened a "Vespa boutique" in lower Manhattan, the 57th to open since the marque was relaunched in America two years ago. Each store plugs the "Vespa lifestyle", proffering designer bike-wear, branded accessories and sometimes cappuccinos--oh, and scooters--in an atmosphere of Italian cool. It is a far cry from Vespa's utilitarian roots, but it seems to work: Giancarlo Fantappie, Piaggio USA's boss, says sales of Vespas have grown from 64 a month in early 2001 to around 1,000 now. Inadvertently, the European Union played a part in the resurgence. A move to tighten controls on emissions sent Piaggio's designers scrambling to their drawing-boards in the early 1990s. Some $230m later, they emerged with a revolutionary four-stroke scooter engine capable of meeting not only EU laws but also American ones. It was the tightening of emissions controls, particularly in California, that forced Piaggio to stop selling the old, two-stroke Vespas in the American market in the early 1980s. The discovery of two dozen shops in America dedicated to restoring and glorifying antique Vespas was a factor in the decision to relaunch. Today's buyers include not only college-bound youngsters, attracted by the scooter's retro cool and its ability to zip about campus, but a wider population too. Celebrity owners--from up-and-coming rappers to Hollywood stars, such as Robert De Niro and Sarah Jessica Parker--have given the Vespa wider aspirational appeal. New Yorkers already drive as scarily as a typical Italian Vespa rider. But will they look as cool when they bump along the city's mean, pot-holed streets? See related content at http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=1446283 Go to http://www.economist.com for more global news, views and analysis from the Economist Group. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ABOUT ECONOMIST.COM - Economist.com is the premier online source of global news, views and analysis. Visit http://www.economist.com for worldly insight as well as market information and exclusive resource libraries. 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All rights reserved. http://www.economist.com/help/copy_general.cfm Economist.com privacy policy: http://www.economist.com/about/privacy.cfm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 15:43:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEKhKO7026156; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:43:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEKhKuI026146; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:43:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200211142042.PXV84599@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:42:02 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: An article for you from an Economist.com reader. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish asks us: > >Will NY love Italian scooters? > [Dave] No, they're too used to driving around in cages, and can afford to be as unskilled as they are this way. Put these same people on scooters and.... Oh the humanity... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 16:20:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAELKnO7026377; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:20:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAELKnIa026370; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:20:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lighting Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:19:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2002 21:19:42.0057 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C035D90:01C28C23] Yes, they do show up great at night, but it's really hard to see how cool they look while riding at the time! ;) And Halo's don't stay on when you're trying to keep up with Mr. Cole! Rob '98 VFR800 From: To: , Subject: Re: Lighting Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:34:00 -0600 Tapeworks makes a neat product called Rim Stealth, invisible in the daytime but shows up great at night. Much better IMO than those silly stem lights http://www.tapeworks.com/RimStealth/Rimstealth.html George Cole 02 VFR 02 KDX 220R (FOR SALE) >>> Fish Flowers 11/14/02 02:05PM >>> Got some questions for y'all on lighting schtuff. I Does anyone have any experience with those funky valve-stem lights? They're certainly attention-getting... _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 16:41:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAELf5O7026541; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:41:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAELf2x0026531; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:41:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021114214059.5433.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:40:59 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: Two '86 VFRs for Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000501c28b8b$42e19430$0400a8c0@p4workstation> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Will one or both of these be on display at the brunch and DC Ride on Sunday? How are they for two-up riding? Keith --- Thomas Zell wrote: > Jeannette and I are buying a new home next spring > and we're selling both > bikes to come up with some down payment/whatever > expense money. No > worries as we'll be replacing all of this stuff once > we're settled (a > 954RR is calling my name J ). Here's what we have: > > > > 1986 VFR700F (770cc replacement motor) > > --- '91 CBR F2 front suspension > > --- '91 CBR 17" wheels w/new D207 rubber > > --- Fox Twin-Clicker adjustable shock (made for the > VFR) > > --- New factory rear cowl and side covers > > --- Recovered (by me) factory seat > > --- Yoshimura 4-n-1 exhaust (pipes need painting) > > --- 15t front, 43t rear sprocket setup > > --- DynoJet Stage 2 jet kit w/K&N filter > > --- Cobalt Racing forward cowl (some repairs needed > and some paint to > match factory tank and rear. still looks good) > > --- CBR switch-gear > > --- New battery > > --- Needs a good tune-up (I'll probably do it before > hand) > > --- Make a reasonable offer (I'm thinking somewhere > around $2500 or so) > > > > 1986 VFR700FII > > --- Coleman Howard's "Big Red" Cobalt Racing > conversion VFR > > --- Factory front end converted for CBR F2 wheels > > --- Modified rear shock to raise ride-height > > --- CBR F2 rear wheel > > --- New D207 rubber > > --- Cobalt racing fiberglass bodywork w/solo tail > and HRC seat pad > (front cowl needs repair/replacement, have all new > parts) > > --- New battery > > --- $1500/firm > > > > We're also selling our boat: > > > > 1983 4-Wiins Santara Cuddy Sport > > --- 23.5' cuddy cabin pleasure boat > > --- Mercruiser Alpha 1 stern-drive > > --- 383 CID small block Chevy 430 HP, 490 TQ (Vortec > heads, Comp cam, > 10.3:1 compression, Edelbrock, Holley, etc.) > > --- 25 hours on new engine > > --- 4" thru-hull exhaust (manifolds will need > replacement this coming > season, about $400 through BOAT/US) > > --- two stainless steel props (17* pitch and 21* > pitch) > > --- one 23* pitch aluminum backup propeller > > --- Alpine CD player with Targa 400W amp and 4 > speakers (two in the > cabin, two in the cockpit) > > --- GPS, VHF, LORAN, Depth/fish finder, Compass > > --- New upholstery, captain's chair, and > back-to-back chairs in 2000 > > --- swim platform > > --- Easy-Loader style roller trailer (dual axle) > > --- life jackets, tubing equipment, water ski > equipment, ropes, wet > suit, etc. > > --- Bimini top and boat cover > > --- misc parts, etc. > > --- cruise at 40 MPH, top speed of 55+ (well over 60 > MPH with the right > prop) > > --- NADA value is over $9000.. $8000 or best offer. > > > > Thanks!!! > > > > Tom & Jeannette > > '86 VFR770 > > '86 VFR700 "Big Red" > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 17:15:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEMFBO7026767; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:15:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEMFBfZ026762; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:15:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F69EF@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: First Aid Kit Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:14:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >From a motorcycle-centric mail order company: http://www.whitehorsepress.com/onlinecatalog/sections/proddata/MEDDT.htm and the book to go along with it: http://www.whitehorsepress.com/onlinecatalog/sections/proddata/FLASH.htm I haven't used these myself, but they come highly recommended :) Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?" Does anyone have firm opinions on what a good, compact, moto-specific first aid kit should contain? I'm thinking that the contents of most compact kits (pinky bandages) would be useless, while things like gauze and tourniquets become rather more important. Any thoughts? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 18:22:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAENM1O7027325; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:22:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAENM0rD027315; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:22:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 14 Nov 2002 23:21:54 GMT Message-ID: <002f01c28c33$ead5dc20$20fea8c0@smurfslayer> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: <20021114173833.92676.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Kitchell nuptials announced, deformity revealed! Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:16:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Larry outed MK : > --- Larry.Larson@XXXXXX wrote: > > Nice to see Mr. Kitchell receive his 15 minutes of > > fame in the Post. A > > wedding in France sounds awfully nice. [Dave] Wow. Seems like just yesterday Mark was endearing himself with: > >So what? Whats you point? That is such a > pea-brained > >response. > >Have you served in anything more than > weekend-warrior > >capacity? Unless you were in Vietnam, Korea or > WWII > >(doubt you are that old), give me a break. While I > >respect that its not an easy job, the draft in this > >era would be ridiculous. > >Forcing the military on everyone (not in a time of > >war) who is 18 is forcing your set of values on > people > >just because you think it would do them good. Not > >everyone thinks that the military=true america my > >friend. Now he's tying the knot... Good luck ! And for G*d's sake, stay out of the soon to be wife's way during planning ;-) Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 19:24:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAF0OVO7028976; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:24:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAF0OSo5028966; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:24:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: wayne@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: BMW is Northern Virginia Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:23:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2002 00:23:21.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[3414D770:01C28C3D] I can live with Morton's in Spotsylvania, whom has a great service department and parts dept... but the Sales Staff have left me cold twice... and I didn't want to do business, thus backing out of purchases. They didn't realize it and I didn't shove it in their face but they goofed! When the bike needs service... it's back of the pick-up down to Morton's on a chilly offseason day... and I'm picking it up 2 or 3 days later... ready for March. I take Jan and Feb as maintainence months... sometimes December but the last few years have been great riding through December. I'm just NOT going to cross the Woodrow Wilson Bridge to go to the Bob's dealership... It doesn't matter what day it is, the traffic to Bob's just plain SUX...I'd buy a Goldwing and stay right here in PW county before I'd make that a ownership issue. aw After pulling the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend! _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 19:34:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAF0Y8O7029068; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:34:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAF0Y8Wt029060; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:34:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: cschelin@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: YEAOUW Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:33:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2002 00:33:00.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D632060:01C28C3E] >I continue on to the courthouse and take the back roads over to Rt 3 >and >stop >at Chipulte's (yea, I probably spelled it wrong) before heading home. Chipulte's (sp) gives me the runs. Where's the de-lurking female from Spotsylvania? and is that power sports in Fredricksburg associated with the infamous CPS? aw Once the pin is pulled...Mister Grenade is no longer your friend. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 19:39:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAF0djO7029126; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:39:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAF0ditp029118; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:39:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: wayne@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Watch your figure Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:39:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2002 00:39:37.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[79D5D3C0:01C28C3F] [Wayne sez] Chipotle is nice because you can get a reasonably healthy lunch quickly and for a reasonable price. Skip the tortilla (around 200 calories) and they'll put your burrito in a bowl. Skip the sour cream, cheese and gauc and you'll keep the fat at a healthy level (although Avocado does have healthier unsaturated fats, most people over do it and eat too large a serving :-) ). Chicken, black beans, a small amount of rice, hot salsa and lettuce in a bowl. You've got around 600-700 calories and it's pretty tasty :-) ================================================================= Yo Wayne... is this for real? Can I really shave off the 200 cals by skipping the tortilla and an additional 200 sans sour cream... just eat the whole damn mea, and after dinner coffee and proceed to check out.... the MEN's ROOM!!! (_|_) <==== ! _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 19:46:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAF0kiO7029208; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:46:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAF0kh0d029197; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:46:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021114195307.04cfbd60@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:54:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Neck/chin warmer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Related to a thread about a week ago, I stopped by Ski Chalet in G'burg on my way home tonight and picked up a neck warmer I'm going to try out tomorrow AM. http://www.blueblackbusa.org/mask2.jpg -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 22:53:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAF3rPO7030163; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:53:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAF3rLa1030155; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:53:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021114225055.009fb300@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:53:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pattonme@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: looking for power outlet solutions In-Reply-To: <200211150000.gAF001Nh027538@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Can anyone recommend a GOOD electronics supply store (purhaps biased >toward automotive) in the area that likewise has a wide selection of >suppliers' catalogues to browse thru? I tried an outfit in Arlington >and they were less than helpful. If that was Arlington Electronics Wholesalers, they're about as good as it gets in this area. If not, you might try them, on 29 just North of the Spout Run exit of 66. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 23:16:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAF4GRO7030377; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:16:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAF4GQxV030368; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:16:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021114223958.00a0abe0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:16:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The local MC mercantile In-Reply-To: <200211150000.gAF001Nh027538@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:00 PM 11/14/02, matthew patton wrote: >so Larry. Are all your tennis shops open 7 days a week till late, too? Most are open until at least 6 on Saturday, and until 5 on Sunday -- gotta compete with Sports Authority, ya know. >Then again how often do you need to go back for bobby socks, shorts, >and balls? "Bobby socks"? ***"Bobby socks"?*** Matt, you don't look old enough to know the term. Either that or you're trolling. In any event, this old fart would be glad to meet you out on the tennis court of your choice. 8;) Actually, between Nancy and me, we use at least four cans of balls a week. You can never have too many balls. >I have yet to find the perfect shop but I've pretty much >narrowed down the ones I like and with whom I will do business. Yup. My short list is MFI, Clinton, and Battley. Not sure yet about Cycle Sport in Alexandria; their sales department has been a real joke, but with Gerald back there from Clinton, it's bound to become better. Too bad they're dropping Triumph, and Clinton's dropping Aprilia. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 23:16:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAF4GpO7030409; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:16:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAF4GpR0030400; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:16:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021114225812.009ffec0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:16:24 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, fish@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Lighting In-Reply-To: <200211150000.gAF001Nh027538@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:00 PM 11/14/02, Fish Flowers wrote: >Second, I'd like to see Bambi before I smack into her. Does anyone >supplement their OEM headlamp with driving or fog lights? I understand >PIAA comes highly recommended... Chris Leithiser put a pair of 35w halogen PIAAs on the forks of his Duke II, and they seem to crank out worthwhile light as well as definitely getting cagers' attention. Small and neat, too. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 14 23:17:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAF4HHO7030444; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:17:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAF4HHgK030439; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:17:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021114230237.009fad90@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:16:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kitchell nuptials announced, deformity revealed! In-Reply-To: <200211150000.gAF001Nh027538@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:00 PM 11/14/02, "Dave Yates" wrote: >Larry outed MK : > > > --- Larry.Larson@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Nice to see Mr. Kitchell receive his 15 minutes of > > > fame in the Post. A > > > wedding in France sounds awfully nice. > >[Dave] Wow. Seems like just yesterday Mark was endearing himself with: > > > >Have you served in anything more than > > weekend-warrior > > >capacity? Unless you were in Vietnam, Korea or > > WWII > > >(doubt you are that old), give me a break. ... Not > > >everyone thinks that the military=true america my > > >friend. Well, let's see: Nancy's father died on active duty as a major general; her oldest brother died as a Special Forces first lieutenant in Vietnam; her next oldest brother served in Vietnam; and her youngest brother is a colonel at the Pentagon, whose office was about ten feet above where the plane went. My mother and father both served in WWII; Dad went from Omaha Beach to Bastogne. I spent 26 months around An Khe and Pleiku in 68-70. What Mark opined didn't bother me. He's entitled to his opinion here in Amurrica. How much harm can it do? Shit, we've had Strom Thurmond in the Senate forever and two Bushes as President. >Now he's tying the knot... >Good luck ! And for G*d's sake, stay out of the soon to be wife's way >during planning ;-) As a combat veteran, I learned that the first critical step is identifying and locating the enemy. His fiancee should be no problem. I'd advise him to stay out of his _future mother-in-law's_ way during the planning. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 15 06:09:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAFB96O7000463; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:09:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAFB94MK000453; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:09:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Grenade (was: Re: BMW is Northern Virginia) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:08:57 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211150608572G.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 14 November 2002 19:23, Adam Wah wrote: > After pulling the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend! Sure he is. It's when you let the charging handle go that he becomes surly. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 15 09:08:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAFE8JO7001241; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:08:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAFE8Ga9001230; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:08:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021115140812.91011.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:08:12 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Kitchell nuptials announced, deformity revealed! To: llarson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021114230237.009fad90@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That was months ago. Dave bringing that up re: my engagement is a typically low-class move. Anyway, I am quite happy and thanks for the 5 more minutes of fame on DC Cycles. Mark --- llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > At 07:00 PM 11/14/02, "Dave Yates" > wrote: > > >Larry outed MK : > > > > > --- Larry.Larson@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Nice to see Mr. Kitchell receive his 15 > minutes of > > > > fame in the Post. A > > > > wedding in France sounds awfully nice. > > > >[Dave] Wow. Seems like just yesterday Mark was > endearing himself with: > > > > > >Have you served in anything more than > > > weekend-warrior > > > >capacity? Unless you were in Vietnam, Korea or > > > WWII > > > >(doubt you are that old), give me a break. ... > Not > > > >everyone thinks that the military=true america > my > > > >friend. > > Well, let's see: Nancy's father died on active duty > as a major general; > her oldest brother died as a Special Forces first > lieutenant in Vietnam; > her next oldest brother served in Vietnam; and her > youngest brother is > a colonel at the Pentagon, whose office was about > ten feet above where > the plane went. My mother and father both served in > WWII; Dad went > from Omaha Beach to Bastogne. I spent 26 months > around An Khe > and Pleiku in 68-70. What Mark opined didn't bother > me. He's entitled > to his opinion here in Amurrica. How much harm can > it do? Shit, we've > had Strom Thurmond in the Senate forever and two > Bushes as President. > > >Now he's tying the knot... > >Good luck ! And for G*d's sake, stay out of the > soon to be wife's way > >during planning ;-) > > As a combat veteran, I learned that the first > critical step is identifying > and locating the enemy. His fiancee should be no > problem. I'd advise him > to stay out of his _future mother-in-law's_ way > during the planning. > > -- Larry > > > > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 15 10:06:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAFF6uO7001555; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:06:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAFF6sUK001546; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:06:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01d901c28cb8$c4c34d80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021113220724.00a024a0@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: The local MC mercantile Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:07:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hey, if they can support themselves as "hobbyists" I salute them. Hell, I'm envious. I wish my hobbies could supply me with gainful employment instead of working at the salt mine. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: > At 07:00 PM 11/13/02, Dave Yates spleen vented: > > >[Dave] The shop is in business to MAKE MONEY. They actually > >have to earn a living at it, they're not hobbyists. > > Then why don't they open for some useful shopping hours on weekends for us > diehards who actually spend money? > Based on a comment by Larry: Seems to me that every bike shop I've run across > is a hobbyist activity rather than a real business. If they cared about > clothing and accessory sales, they'd be open more on weekends and close on > Monday or Tuesday. > > -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 15 10:30:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAFFU5O7001737; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:30:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAFFU4Fh001727; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:30:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: The local MC mercantile Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:29:58 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021113220724.00a024a0@mail.9netave.com> <01d901c28cb8$c4c34d80$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <01d901c28cb8$c4c34d80$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211151029582R.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My hobby supports me quite well, thank you. Hey, you don't think that 23 years ago I _planned_ on being a computer geek, do you? Hell, my dad, who was a computer type person in the Navy, always said _not_ to get into computers. I was just an RPG Master writing programs on a sinclair Z80 for character support. CompuGraphic -> Sinclair -> CoCo -> Franklin -> TRS-80 -> Leading Edge -> Mac -> IBM -> Novell -> 3Com -> VMS -> LanMan -> Linux -> NT -> Irix -> AIX -> SunOS -> Cisco -> onward. Hey, it's payday and I'm off to Reuters to support my book habit and Chipotle's on M Street. 'See' you after lunch *yum* Carl On Friday 15 November 2002 10:07, Paul Wilson wrote: > Hey, if they can support themselves as "hobbyists" I salute them. Hell, > I'm envious. I wish my hobbies could supply me with gainful employment > instead of working at the salt mine. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > At 07:00 PM 11/13/02, Dave Yates spleen vented: > > >[Dave] The shop is in business to MAKE MONEY. They actually > > >have to earn a living at it, they're not hobbyists. > > > > > Then why don't they open for some useful shopping hours on weekends for > > us diehards who actually spend money? > > Based on a comment by Larry: > > Seems to me that every bike shop I've run across > > > is a hobbyist activity rather than a real business. If they cared about > > clothing and accessory sales, they'd be open more on weekends and close > > on Monday or Tuesday. > > > > -- Larry -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 15 12:33:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAFHXoO7002509; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:33:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAFHXl61002499; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:33:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <047001c28ccd$49b24780$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Cc: "Patti Rodgers" Subject: TOUR DE DC - Your Friday Noontime Update Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:32:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I've heard from about 15 people and I want to assure everyone this is a *rain or shine* event. There have been some concerns expressed about the weather forecast. If you're not comfortable riding in or going on the loop, at least come to brunch and enjoy food, fun and fellowship. We'll pretend not to notice you didn't ride. :) Unless it snows or some other natural or man-made calamity occurs, I will be happy to lead the ride for anyone who wants to go. Here's the skinny---- WHAT - Second Annual Tour de DC November Bike Brunch and Ride WHEN - Sunday, Nov. 17, 2002, brunch begins at 11 (show up any time, but be advised ride starts at 12:30) WHERE - Start - TomTom, 2333 18th. NW. Park in front. TomTom has a "Mediterranean" menu. Patti can provide more details. We will end the ride in Glen Echo, at the Clara Barton National Historic Site. HOW MUCH - menu is a la carte, so it's up to you. HOW LONG - we should be done by 3:30 with some stops along the way. The Clara Barton NHS has a tour at 4 for those who want to stick around. WHY - Why not? Meet some DC-area riders and get off the beaten path in your nation's capital. Wrap up your riding "season" in style. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 15 12:39:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAFHdvO7002562; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:39:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAFHdu0F002547; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:39:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F69F3@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FW: Good Samaritans Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:39:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Forwarding again, worth checking out. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Washington, DC Well there ARE some good guys in cars out there to help a motorcyclist in need. Picked this up off another list. http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=11351 duncan donut dallas _ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 15 16:29:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAFLTOO7003930; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:29:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAFLTLjZ003920; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:29:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <010401c28cee$33c5c7a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "VFRLIST" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Quick trip to NYC Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:29:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I NY. Sidewalk parking, lane splitting across the Queensboro Bridge. Filtering. Lots of architectural eye candy. Anyway, the boss mentions earlier this week that someone needs to visit a plaster moulding supplier up in Queens later this week and that eager volunteers are requested. Jumping up and down I shout, "ME!" So, rather than paying Amtrak for the conveyance I hatch a plan to ride up, do the meet and greet, go over the drawings for our project and bring the samples back. Besides I can ride straight to the company, not have to schlep drawings and samples onto the subway, etc., when I get to Penn Sta. Thursday the weather was beautiful, although a bit cold at the start. The ride up and down the slab is comfortable and quick thanks to Gerbings and the E-ZPass folks. Just think, with a Stadium Pal and a fuel cell I could do it without putting my feet down. 240 miles is a bit of a stretch on a VFR tankful, though. There was a big backup at the Lincoln Tunnel, but once I reached the city, the motorcycle is the best vehicle imaginable to squirt through the congestion. I had a bit of time after the meeting, so I rode around Central Park for a while, then went to Grant's Tomb to score another National Parks Master Traveler passport stamp and took the GW Bridge outbound. It was a beautiful day to be out and about in the city. Just though I'd share a little work-related MC use story. Now I get to file an expense report for the mileage and tolls. :) Paul in DC - 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 15 18:48:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAFNmJO7005419; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:48:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAFNmHm2005409; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:48:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02a601c28d01$9c7210c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Directions to DC Cycles Tour de DC Bike Brunch and Ride Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:49:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 By popular demand -- Directions to TomTom, 2333 18th St. NW Map - www.wilsonline.org/tomtom.jpg >From MD North Take 270 south to 495 outer loop, then Cabin John Pkwy. (last MD exit) to Clara Barton Pkwy. Clara Barton becomes Canal Rd. Follow Canal to the Whitehurst Fwy. Turn right. Sign will say US29 North. Whitehurst becomes K St. Follow K to 18th. Turn left. TomTom is on the right in the 2200 block above Kalorama. >From MD East US 50 to New York Ave. Follow New York Ave. to the new convention center and follow the signs for Massachusetts Ave. Turn right at 18th St. TomTom is on the right in the 2200 block above Kalorama. >From MD South Suitland Pkwy. to South Capitol St. Follow South Capitol, cross the bridge, go under M St. SE and get in the right lanes. Follow the signs for 395 North. Go through the tunnel and get off at the Massachusetts Ave. exit. Follow it to 7th St. Turn left at the next light and pass the convention center. Follow MD east directions above. >From VA North Take the GW Pkwy. Take Chain Bridge Rd. exit (VA123) in the direction of DC (not McLean). 123 ends at the bottom of the hill. Turn left and cross Chain Bridge. Turn right at the end of Chain Bridge. This is Canal Road. Follow MD North directions. >From VA South Take 395 to the 14th St. Bridge. Get in the left lanes for 14th St. Follow 14th St. north to Thomas Circle. Go around the circle about 235 degrees and follow Massachusetts Ave. Turn right at 18th St. TomTom is on the right in the 2200 block above Kalorama. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 15 22:56:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAG3u5O7008194; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:56:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAG3u3Mx008184; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:56:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:08:09 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Interesting Article Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=11351 -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 15 23:09:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAG49PO7008281; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:09:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAG49Ogi008273; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:09:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021115224213.009e1e50@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:08:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, arl Schelin From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Mammary Lane (was: Re: The local MC mercantile) In-Reply-To: <200211160000.gAG000vf005766@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:00 PM 11/15/02, Carl Schelin wrote: >Hey, you don't think that 23 years ago I _planned_ on being a computer geek, >do you? ....I was just an RPG Master writing programs on a sinclair Z80 >for character >support. RPG or RPG2? Z80? Damn young pups...8;) >CompuGraphic -> Sinclair -> CoCo -> Franklin -> TRS-80 -> Leading Edge -> Mac >-> IBM -> Novell -> 3Com -> VMS -> LanMan -> Linux -> NT -> Irix -> AIX -> >SunOS -> Cisco -> onward. What's the line -- "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans"? Surplus vacuum tube computer circa 1962 -> IBM Fortan II -> Fortran IV -> -> card punches, collaters -> General Automation (toggled boots, ASR33 paper tape) -> 8" single/double-sided floppies -> 5.25 hard-sectored/soft-sectored, single/ double-sided floppies -> 4004 -> 8008 -> 8080 (Altair, IMSAI) -> 8085 -> Z80 -> Basic -> ladder programming -> 6800x -> 8086 -> COBOL -> ALGOL -> SNOBOL -> RPG2 -> APL -> BPL -> VMS -> UNIX -> C -> C++ > NT -> AIX -> Solaris -> CD-ROM indexing/authoring -> SGML -> HTML -> Linux -> Perl -> Tk -> Python -> XML From a kid in a YMCA ham radio club through a working lifetime, in seven lines. How sad. Not really -- those same years go from a Honda 250 Dream to the Falco, so it's been a pretty good ride. Please, someone come up with something *really* old so I can get off the hook! Abaci, Stonehenge, anything! >Hey, it's payday and I'm off to Reuters to support my book habit and >Chipotle's on M Street. 'See' you after lunch *yum* Well, we've got a Chipotle in our building in Crystal City; the food there is better than the Ruth's Chris on the 11th floor. Wish we had a Reuters (or a Computer Literacy, RIP). -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 15 23:10:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAG4ADO7008319; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:10:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAG4ADir008314; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:10:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007901c28d26$06eaa5b0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "Master Thomas Staney/S. Russell" From: "Master Thomas Staney/S. Russell" To: "Wayne Edelen" , References: Subject: Re: Interesting Article Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:09:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 At least if you should have a GPS, you should also have a cell phone, that way you can tell the police your exact location. Scott 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:08 PM Subject: Interesting Article > http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=11351 > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 16 00:57:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAG5v9O7008811; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:57:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAG5uem2008799; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:56:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000e01c28d3c$76c23b30$ecb9a1ac@ticostat.com> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Paul Wilson" , "dc-cycles list" References: <02a601c28d01$9c7210c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: Directions to DC Cycles Tour de DC Bike Brunch and Ride Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:49:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Apparently-From: Ptypopsicl@XXXXXX Thanks, Paul, for getting directions! I talked to Tony at Tom Tom tonight; he has offered to let bikes park on the Tom Tom patio that day since they don't usually open the patio till the evening. Cars are on their own so if the weather keeps you from riding your bike, well, can't help you there! But bikes will definitely be OK for parking on the patio (there is a handicapped ramp up to the sidewalk just a few feet north of the restaurant patio) and I will also drop off some cones for the Tom Tom staff to set up either the night before or the early Sunday morning, to block parking right in front. Tony suggested the patio parking because there's no guarantee some drunks won't steal the cones! See everyone Sunday! cheers, Patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 16 09:03:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAGE30O7011602; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:03:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAGE2xsa011592; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:02:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DD6514D.F8CB71BC@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:08:13 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llarson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, arl Schelin Subject: Re: Mammary Lane (was: Re: The local MC mercantile) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021115224213.009e1e50@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > >> From a kid in a YMCA ham radio club through a working lifetime, in seven >> lines. How >> sad. Not really -- those same years go from a Honda 250 Dream to the Falco, >> so it's been >> a pretty good ride. Please, someone come up with something *really* old so >> I can get off >> the hook! Abaci, Stonehenge, anything! > >> -- Larry > Well, lemme see - while celeking at a cookie factory I used a mechanical Monroe caculator to run the numbers. All gears and linkages. Evil me use to command the noisy beast to divide by 0 when I left to a safety walk thru of the plant. The stupid machine would chatter merrily along - forever - driving my machine-challanged office mate bonkers! I still have the slide rule I used in college, and when teaching math I aquired via gift the cutting edge technology for hand held calculators!!! An HP-45 !!! Nine roilling stack, reverse polish notation, and 42 functions!!! Woo-hoo!!1 I still have that too. Bill so old I fart dust... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 16 09:21:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAGEL8O7011705; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:21:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAGEL7RK011698; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:21:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009401c28d7b$525ff770$aa302c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Holcomb, Brad C." , "'Karl Juul'" , "VFRLIST" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <50D11A3EDD1B0948A36B743E443452DC214F2E@sprgexelroy.sprg.mercy.net> Subject: Re: Quick trip to NYC Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:20:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Karl, Brad, all -- IANAL, nor am I a tax professional, nor do I play one on TV, but as far as the IRS goes, I have seen nothing in their publications that makes a sharp distinction between two-wheeled and four-wheeled highway-going vehicles. Motorcycles are neither excluded from the maximum non-taxable reimbursement rate of 36.5 cents per mile (for tax year 2002) nor does the IRS publish a separate rate for MCs. The cents per mile charge is adjusted annually and is used to approximate the costs of fuel, taxes, fees, maintenance, insurance and depreciation. Reimbursements about 36.5 cents would be considered income. This link addresses the cents-per-mile rule -- http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/page/0,,id%3D79383,00.html It clearly states that the cents-per-mile rule applies to "any motorized wheeled vehicle, including an automobile, manufactured primarily for use on public streets, roads, and highways." I researched this question, when I started using the bike for business purposes. If New York State is reimbursing at a lower rate, it is at their own initiative and has little to do with the IRS, it would appear. If you are an AMA member, perhaps you should take it up with them. And, as another lister pointed out, the idea that MCs cost substantially less to operate per mile does not really hold up under real-world scrutiny. Perhaps they might in terms of depreciation due to lower initial cost, but the same is true of a beater car. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holcomb, Brad C." > > Not sure about the private sector, since I work for a NY > > state agency, but > > mileage reimbursement for motorcycles is about half of that > > of cars for us > > state workers...think it has to do with IRS rules, though, > > where excessive > > mileage compensation is considered taxable income... > > > Here's a report from the private sector: > > My expense form says "Mileage", and that's it. It doesn't ask about type of > vehicle, so the reimbursement is the same as a car. > > I report to a boss in St. Louis, 3 hours away, so when I get summoned up > there I take the bike. -=b. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 16 09:36:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAGEaPO7011810; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:36:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAGEaPHM011804; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:36:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DD6592F.67D28711@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:41:51 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: The Great Personal Property Tax cut! (VA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, back when Jimbo Bubba Gilmore was demonstrating his woeful lack of arithmatic reasoning, I predicted that the PP tax cut would be a Charlie Foxtrot. I wuz right. The latest quirk. Seems one is only eligable for the State relief portion on vehicles dedicated entirely to "personal use". So yesterday I get a *present* in the mail. Fairfax County wants me to pay back (state relief) taxes on my Dodge pickemup truck, for FOUR YEARS!!! Huh? Oh, I get it. I'm self-employed and deduct travel milage, using the pickemup truck as my primary "business use" vehicle. While I'm shaking my head and chuckling, I'm thinking. I wonder what the increase in staff and bean counters is to handle all the quirks and paper money transfers associated with Jumbo Bubba Gilmore's grand plan for state bankruptcy? The county use to send a bill, collect the $$$, and send you the sticker. But now vehicles have to be reported to the state, relief percentage calculated, bills sent, state relief money transferred, ad nausiem. In addition, it's obvious that the many folks have been assigned the task of ferreting out "business use" vehicles by reviewing Federal tax forms, Schedule C. What a PITA that has to be. And after all that work they're collecting pocket change from me, the truck in question is a 1989 model, worth jack-diddly. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 16 10:30:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAGFUfO7012073; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:30:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAGFUeWC012063; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:30:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001001c28d85$0a5ba460$30682c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" References: <3DD6592F.67D28711@patriot.net> Subject: Re: The Great Personal Property Tax cut! (VA) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:30:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Ah yes, the tax elimination scheme that really wasn't. Funny, I don't remember seeing an asterisk on those ubiquitous and plain-spoken "NO CAR TAX**" signs that littered the roadsides of the Commonwealth back in 1997. **The "No car tax" slogan shall not be construed as an actual abolition of the personal property tax on vehicles. It refers to a phased-in 70% rebate of taxes on vehicles used for non-business purposes and on vehicles valued at less than $20,000. County tax collection bureaucracies remain in place. YMMV. Other restrictions apply. Consult your tax professional or local state representative for full details. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" > Well, back when Jimbo Bubba Gilmore was demonstrating his woeful lack of > arithmatic reasoning, I predicted that the PP tax cut would be a Charlie > Foxtrot. I wuz right. > .... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 16 10:50:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAGFoXO7012175; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:50:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAGFoXx3012168; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:50:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Attack of the SUV's Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:50:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2002 15:50:25.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[E12820C0:01C28D87] It's like "class" warfare or something... attack of the SUV's Brea drama Young men confront, chase and effect the capture of Yorba Linda couple suspected in a hit-and-run that injured a cyclist. By RACHANEE SRISAVASDI Photo by ROSE PALMISANO The Orange County Register Brea Sean Linder jumped out of his sports car and sprinted across two lanes of traffic as soon as he spotted the red Ford Expedition. He ran over to the passenger side of the vehicle and stared at the male driver and his wife. Three girls and their grandmother peered at him from the back seat. "I told them to stop the car, that they put a motorcyclist in the hospital and that they were under citizen's arrest," Linder said. "The wife yelled, 'You don't know what you're talking about! I have children!''' Linder said the wife then pried his fingers off the open window. The husband gunned the SUV. Linder ran back to his car to give chase. "I kept thinking of the motorcyclist and how his leg was broken all these different ways,'' said Linder, 24. "I couldn't let these people get away.'' The suspects in the hit-and-run accident were caught - thanks to Linder and his friend Matthew Newcomb, who police say engaged in a high-speed chase Monday with Bradley and Patricia Summers of Yorba Linda. Brea police Sgt. Jack Conklin said Tuesday that the two La Habra men were crucial in making the arrests. Conklin said police believe that Patricia Summers was driving drunk when she slammed into the motorcyclist, Charles Kenney, 41, of La Habra. Investigators suspect that she later switched seats with her husband. The accident occurred around sunset as Linder and Newcomb were driving back to Linder's home after spending the day rock climbing in Riverside County. They were behind a Harley Davidson on Central Avenue near Site Drive when a Ford Expedition made a sudden left in front of Kenney, clipping his right leg. Linder pulled over to help while the SUV sat nearby. Kenney was holding his leg, crying and screaming for help. Linder carried Kenney to his car and drove him a short distance to Brea Community Hospital. He was returning to the scene when Newcomb, who had stayed with the motorcycle, motioned to him and yelled that the Expedition had driven off. Newcomb jumped into Linder's car, and they drove down several streets, searching for the SUV. They had given up when they spotted the red Expedition at Central Avenue and Brea Boulevard, where Linder said he tried to make a citizen's arrest. Linder said he reached speeds of 80 mph as he followed the SUV to an industrial park at Lambert Road and Puente Street. The Expedition pulled into a parking space. Newcomb hopped out of the car and approached the SUV, holding a Global-Positioning System against his ear. "I told them I was on the phone with police and that they were coming,'' Newcomb said. "Then they backed into me." Newcomb said he fell to the ground and got up only to have the vehicle reposition and ram into him again. His body hurtled onto the vehicle's hood, and he grabbed a windshield wiper. Linder pulled his car in front of the SUV, blocking it. Luckily, another witness had called police, who arrived about 5 p.m., 11 minutes after the collision. Patricia Summers, 39, was arrested on suspicion of felony hit-and-run and felony driving under the influence. Bradley Summers, 40, was arrested on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon and DUI. Police released the couple's three daughters, ages 6, 9, and 11, to relatives. Kenney suffered fractures to his right leg, right elbow and pelvis. "They're my heroes really,'' he said of Linder and Newcomb. "Without them, I wouldn't have anything to go on, no case at all." Newcomb, 25, attends Fullerton College. Linder just finished up at the community college and plans to transfer to California State University, Fullerton. Linder considers lending a helping hand a citizen's responsibility. "If that happened to me, I would want people to do the same thing," Linder said. "It was the right thing to do." _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 16 11:53:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAGGr3O7012480; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:53:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAGGr3GR012469; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:53:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:05:06 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Attack of the SUV's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, Adam Wah wrote: > It's like "class" warfare or something... attack of the SUV's > > Brea drama > Young men confront, chase and effect the capture of Yorba Linda couple > suspected in a hit-and-run that injured a cyclist. [...] Is there an echo in here? ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 16 14:52:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAGJqfO7013298; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:52:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAGJqebd013288; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:52:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00be01c28da9$afe38c30$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "Master Thomas Staney/S. Russell" From: "Master Thomas Staney/S. Russell" To: References: Subject: 198? Nighthawk Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:52:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I spoke to someone here a while back, he stated that his wife wanted him to get rid of his 198? CB700SC cause it was broken down. Is he still on here, I could use the bike. Email me offline at ttocsmai@XXXXXX so I can get with you on this. Scott Russell From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 16 23:31:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAH4VtO7017341; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:31:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAH4VpMq017331; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:31:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002201c28df2$35f388f0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: References: <00be01c28da9$afe38c30$9865fea9@Godzilla> Subject: Interesting web page Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:31:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Found this while surfing through motorcycle pages, thought everyone would like this. http://www.motorcycle.org.uk/freewheelers/beware.htm Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 17 06:25:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAHBPmO7031708; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 06:25:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAHBPkDG031698; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 06:25:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dcsportbikeriders@XXXXXX, dodgecitymobrydaz@XXXXXX, roadrunnaz@XXXXXX Subject: Does your vehicle have a recall? Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 06:25:43 -0500 Message-ID: <34vetugih60s5a8gb81qtqkelo667lgtp1@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gAHBPjO7031686 http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/recalls/Index.cfm Gotta love the information exchange super highway. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 17 15:00:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAHK06O7001748; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:00:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAHK02w9001741; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:00:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006801c28e6c$257c23e0$9a735c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Attack of the SUV's Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:04:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 With apologies to SUV-owning bikers: Just reviewed (1/2 page) in a recent (Oct. 6: digging through the pile) NYTimes Book Review which portrays a must read for anti-SUV activists (or even pacifists) -- "High and Mighty. SUV's -- The World's Most Dangerous Vehicles and How They Got That Way." By Keith Bradsher 468pp. Public Affairs. $28 If one has been looking for vitriol on the subject, this may satisfy. The Review said the book was banned in Michigan. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/06/books/review/06MCCALLT.html (may require registration) ". . .. Now, in ''High and Mighty,'' Keith Bradsher, a New York Times correspondent who was Detroit bureau chief from 1996 to 2001, devotes 468 indignant, statistic-rich pages to what he believes is a case of all the car industry's least lovable qualities stuffed into one wretched package: the sport utility vehicle. . . .. It isn't so much that the average S.U.V. is underengineered, inept, unsafe, polluting, fuel-guzzling and sociopathically aggressive, he laments, as that it's so knowingly, cynically, avoidably so. Call it planned mediocrity. It's hugely profitable, enough to warrant grimly relentless efforts, via legal and other channels, to ensure that every do-gooder attempt to ameliorate the dire consequences is crushed like a bug. . . .." Hmmm. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > In favor of decreed wraparound transparency. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. PS -- Good time at Tom Tom this morning. Thanks, Paul, for the off-season, intown effort. From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Attack of the SUV's Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:50:25 +0000 It's like "class" warfare or something... attack of the SUV's Brea drama Young men confront, chase and effect the capture of Yorba Linda couple suspected in a hit-and-run that injured a cyclist. By RACHANEE SRISAVASDI Photo by ROSE PALMISANO The Orange County Register Brea Sean Linder jumped out of his sports car and sprinted across two lanes of traffic as soon as he spotted the red Ford Expedition. He ran over to the passenger side of the vehicle and stared at the male driver and his wife. Three girls and their grandmother peered at him from the back seat. ...snip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 17 16:15:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAHLF5O7002221; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:15:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAHLF3Pr002210; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:15:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003801c28e7e$53027a50$d66a2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Tour de DC- the aftermath Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:14:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Well, we had a hardy band of five bikes and seven riders that completed the loop through the nation's capital in the cold soggy weather. Here's a picture when we paused at Our Lady of Perpetual Help in SE to take in the view. www.wilsonline.org/tourdedc.jpg Thanks to Patti for arranging the brunch venue. TomTom opened early and rolled out the red carpet for us. Also, thanks to everyone who showed up for brunch and the ride. I enjoyed meeting some new folks and catching up with some old friends. As for the ride, rear tire traction limits were met and exceeded on a variety of wet and leaf covered surfaces. :) Here's the route we did, for future reference. www.wilsonline.org/tourdedc2.htm Let's do this again! Paul (in DC) VF500F Rodent-mobile - VFR750F Nicer looking bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 17 17:35:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAHMZFO7002619; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:35:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAHMZDUr002609; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:35:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:35:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200211171735.AA136839664@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: Tour de DC- the aftermath X-Mailer: Thanks, Paul. Maybe one of these times I can make the ride! Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Paul Wilson" Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:14:31 -0500 >Well, we had a hardy band of five bikes and seven riders that completed the >loop through the nation's capital in the cold soggy weather. Here's a >picture when we paused at Our Lady of Perpetual Help in SE to take in the >view. > >www.wilsonline.org/tourdedc.jpg > >Thanks to Patti for arranging the brunch venue. TomTom opened early and >rolled out the red carpet for us. Also, thanks to everyone who showed up >for brunch and the ride. I enjoyed meeting some new folks and catching up >with some old friends. As for the ride, rear tire traction limits were met >and exceeded on a variety of wet and leaf covered surfaces. :) > >Here's the route we did, for future reference. > >www.wilsonline.org/tourdedc2.htm > >Let's do this again! > >Paul (in DC) >VF500F Rodent-mobile - VFR750F Nicer looking bike > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 17 17:37:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAHMbOO7002896; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:37:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAHMbNCG002888; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:37:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <200211171737190524.00EFDEB2@smtp.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <200211171735.AA136839664@mail.toward.com> References: <200211171735.AA136839664@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:37:19 -0500 From: "Aki Damme" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tour de DC- the aftermath Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hey speaking of, who all attended? sorry I couldn't make it. I had to pick up my daughter from the airport today and the schedules, due the weather were all screwed up. -aki On 11/17/2002 at 5:35 PM Chris Norloff wrote: >Thanks, Paul. Maybe one of these times I can make the ride! > >Chris Norloff > > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: "Paul Wilson" >Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:14:31 -0500 > >>Well, we had a hardy band of five bikes and seven riders that completed >the >>loop through the nation's capital in the cold soggy weather. Here's a >>picture when we paused at Our Lady of Perpetual Help in SE to take in the >>view. >> >>www.wilsonline.org/tourdedc.jpg >> >>Thanks to Patti for arranging the brunch venue. TomTom opened early and >>rolled out the red carpet for us. Also, thanks to everyone who showed up >>for brunch and the ride. I enjoyed meeting some new folks and catching up >>with some old friends. As for the ride, rear tire traction limits were >met >>and exceeded on a variety of wet and leaf covered surfaces. :) >> >>Here's the route we did, for future reference. >> >>www.wilsonline.org/tourdedc2.htm >> >>Let's do this again! >> >>Paul (in DC) >>VF500F Rodent-mobile - VFR750F Nicer looking bike >> >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 17 17:38:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAHMc4O7002926; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:38:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAHMc4nE002922; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:38:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021117223802.41335.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:38:02 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: 198? Nighthawk (calling Scott) To: "Master Thomas Staney/S. Russell" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <00be01c28da9$afe38c30$9865fea9@Godzilla> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Scott, I tried to email you with the address you provided, but it got bounced. I'm the one with the dead CB700. Send me a mail of give me a call on my cell phone. 703 627 8896 Keith --- "Master Thomas Staney/S. Russell" wrote: > I spoke to someone here a while back, he stated that > his wife wanted him to > get rid of his 198? CB700SC cause it was broken > down. Is he still on here, > I could use the bike. > > Email me offline at ttocsmai@XXXXXX so I can > get with you on this. > > Scott Russell > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 17 17:38:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAHMcuO7003208; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:38:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAHMcuQh003197; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:38:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001701c28e8a$12592ba0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: "Paul Wilson" , "DC-CYCLES" References: <003801c28e7e$53027a50$d66a2c42@D7XFG711> Subject: Re: Tour de DC- the aftermath Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:38:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sorry I couldn't make it, I was busy with the Montgomery County Marathon in the Park. Cold and rainy, great day to run from Gaithersburg to Bethesda! Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 4:14 PM Subject: Tour de DC- the aftermath > Well, we had a hardy band of five bikes and seven riders that completed the > loop through the nation's capital in the cold soggy weather. Here's a > picture when we paused at Our Lady of Perpetual Help in SE to take in the > view. > > www.wilsonline.org/tourdedc.jpg > > Thanks to Patti for arranging the brunch venue. TomTom opened early and > rolled out the red carpet for us. Also, thanks to everyone who showed up > for brunch and the ride. I enjoyed meeting some new folks and catching up > with some old friends. As for the ride, rear tire traction limits were met > and exceeded on a variety of wet and leaf covered surfaces. :) > > Here's the route we did, for future reference. > > www.wilsonline.org/tourdedc2.htm > > Let's do this again! > > Paul (in DC) > VF500F Rodent-mobile - VFR750F Nicer looking bike > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 17 18:26:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAHNQbO7003729; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:26:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAHNQaG7003719; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:26:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:23:49 -0500 Subject: Kudos to Paul Wilson From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Paul lead several of us on delightful, though wet, tour of interesting sites in DC. Nancy and I had fun in spite of the weather. Thanks Paul Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 17 20:16:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAI1G0O7005860; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:16:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAI1FxLF005850; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:15:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021118011521.25862.qmail@web40908.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:15:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Kudos to Paul Wilson To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bob McKeithen wrote: > Paul lead several of us on delightful, though wet, tour of interesting sites > in DC. Nancy and I had fun in spite of the weather. Thanks Paul > > Bob I didn't get to complete the tour as I had a birthday dinner to get ready for, but I enjoyed the company at the bruch, and the first 5 miles of the ride. :-) To whoever was in the rear after I left on 395, (Fish?) sorry if I confused you. I was trying to let you know that I was leaving the ride, wasn't trying to tell you to move over. Can we order some dry weather for next year's Tour? Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 17 20:45:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAI1jNO7006252; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:45:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAI1jNDX006242; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:45:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00da01c28ea4$16a380b0$d66a2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Aki Damme" , References: <200211171735.AA136839664@mail.toward.com> <200211171737190524.00EFDEB2@smtp.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: Tour de DC- the aftermath Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:44:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Let's see, I hope I don't leave anyone out in the list of attendees Lisa and Jay Goddard Patti Rodgers Bill S. (sorry, I've blanked your last name) Linda Tanner Fish Flowers Louis Caplan Jon Strang and friend Mike Lynch and friend Bob McKeithen and Nancy (rode in from WV) A great turnout, considering the less than ideal weather. Perhaps we shouldn't wait a whole year before doing this again. Maybe we need some DC Cycles ride to brunch events in some other areas too. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aki Damme" > hey speaking of, > > who all attended? > > sorry I couldn't make it. I had to pick up my daughter from > the airport today and the schedules, due the weather were > all screwed up. > > -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 17 21:32:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAI2W4O7006710; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:32:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAI2W1qU006700; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:32:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:32:44 -0500 From: Shigeru Honda Subject: Re: Tour de DC- the aftermath To: DC-Cycles Reply-to: shonda@XXXXXX Message-id: <3DD8514C.D78247D1@attglobal.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [ja] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: ja References: <003801c28e7e$53027a50$d66a2c42@D7XFG711> <001701c28e8a$12592ba0$9865fea9@Godzilla> I couldn't make it too, due to sever hang over... Lesson of a life time, never compete drinking vodka with a Russian dude! "S. Russell (Mongo)" wrote: > > Sorry I couldn't make it, I was busy with the Montgomery County Marathon in > the Park. > > Cold and rainy, great day to run from Gaithersburg to Bethesda! > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "DC-CYCLES" > Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 4:14 PM > Subject: Tour de DC- the aftermath > > > Well, we had a hardy band of five bikes and seven riders that completed > the > > loop through the nation's capital in the cold soggy weather. Here's a > > picture when we paused at Our Lady of Perpetual Help in SE to take in the > > view. > > > > www.wilsonline.org/tourdedc.jpg > > > > Thanks to Patti for arranging the brunch venue. TomTom opened early and > > rolled out the red carpet for us. Also, thanks to everyone who showed up > > for brunch and the ride. I enjoyed meeting some new folks and catching up > > with some old friends. As for the ride, rear tire traction limits were > met > > and exceeded on a variety of wet and leaf covered surfaces. :) > > > > Here's the route we did, for future reference. > > > > www.wilsonline.org/tourdedc2.htm > > > > Let's do this again! > > > > Paul (in DC) > > VF500F Rodent-mobile - VFR750F Nicer looking bike > > > > > > -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 17 22:05:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAI351O7007128; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:05:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAI350Rc007109; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:05:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:04:35 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Kudos to Paul Wilson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'd also like to thank Paul for leading us through some of the more interesting bits of DC... Honestly, I've mostly considered DC to be one big urban area, without any good riding roads -- and while this may be mostly true, Paul showed us that there were some quite beautiful bits as well! (Rock Creek Park and Fort Staunton [?] being two of the more memorable ones.) And of course it was nice to meet some dc-cycles people and match some names to faces... although I'll admit I've already forgotten the names of the couple on the VFR -- someone remind me, please? Anyway, it was fun to see people and to ride about, weather be damned. Thanks, Paul! Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 17 22:51:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAI3pOO7007745; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:51:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAI3pLYg007735; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:51:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003e01c28ebe$35f7fc10$676990ac@ticostat.com> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Paul Wilson" , "DC-CYCLES" References: <003801c28e7e$53027a50$d66a2c42@D7XFG711> Subject: Re: Tour de DC- the aftermath Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:51:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Thanks to Paul for being the Route Meister! I chickened out, too much of a wus to ride in the elements (but in my defense, my last few months have been an episode of Anything That Can Go Wrong, Will, and I was not too keen on tempting fate!) but will ride the route some time this week or next. I had a good time socializing at brunch, and I volunteer to bring name tags next time around. And I also agree with Paul when he says we need to do this more than once a year! Cheers, Patti <--- used to be the Lantech, since so many people asked! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 18 06:16:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIBG0O7010371; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:16:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIBFu4d010360; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:15:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: llarson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mammary Lane (was: Re: The local MC mercantile) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:15:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021115224213.009e1e50@mail.9netave.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021115224213.009e1e50@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02111806154131.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 15 November 2002 23:08, llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > At 07:00 PM 11/15/02, Carl Schelin wrote: > >Hey, you don't think that 23 years ago I _planned_ on being a computer > > geek, do you? ....I was just an RPG Master writing programs on a sinclair > > Z80 for character > >support. > > RPG or RPG2? Z80? Damn young pups...8;) > Technically I started playing in fall of 76. A game of double pack pinocle ended and a group at another table needed someone for a City State of The Invincible Overlord adventure. The original one with two yellow maps; one for the DM and one for the players. When I went to Germany in 78, I was DMing the original rules. I received my DM's guide with the duplicate and missing pages. I have The Dragon #1 and 2 and started my subscription at #28. > >CompuGraphic -> Sinclair -> CoCo -> Franklin -> TRS-80 -> Leading Edge -> > > Mac -> IBM -> Novell -> 3Com -> VMS -> LanMan -> Linux -> NT -> Irix -> > > AIX -> SunOS -> Cisco -> onward. > > What's the line -- "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making > other plans"? > Plans? What plans would those be? For the first time, I'm past where I expected to be. I'm mainly a good tech and sysadmin. Now I'm Chief Engineer dealing with politics and contract stuff. Fortunately I have systems at home that I can tear apart and rebuild. > Surplus vacuum tube computer circa 1962 -> IBM Fortan II -> Fortran IV -> > -> card punches, collaters -> General Automation (toggled boots, ASR33 > paper tape) -> > 8" single/double-sided floppies -> 5.25 hard-sectored/soft-sectored, > single/ double-sided floppies -> 4004 -> 8008 -> 8080 (Altair, IMSAI) -> > 8085 -> Z80 -> > Basic -> ladder programming -> 6800x -> 8086 -> COBOL -> ALGOL -> SNOBOL -> > RPG2 -> APL -> BPL -> VMS -> UNIX -> C -> C++ > NT -> AIX -> Solaris -> > CD-ROM indexing/authoring -> SGML -> HTML -> Linux -> Perl -> Tk -> Python > -> XML > Ah well, programming: Sinclair Basic, CoCo Basic, Apple Basic, Radio Shack Basic (with granuals?), IBM Basic, GWBasic, MegaBasic, QuickBasic, C, C++, HTML, Perl. I've taken Python classes and wanted to muck with Tk/TCL but never got around to it. I've also mucked with assembler on the IBM 360 and on the PC's. I was such a pain to the Tesseract folks (TeSseRact I think) they sent me copies of their windowing library and documentation so I could review it before it was published. 8" floppies (compugraphic editwriter typesetter) of course. My first pc hard drive was 10 megs paid by a customer. > From a kid in a YMCA ham radio club through a working lifetime, in seven > lines. How > sad. Sad? I enjoyed all of it. Lot's of the old tech support jokes originated with our department. A coworker had the lady who kept putting floppies in the drive until the door wouldn't close and I had the guy who, when I told him to put the floppy in the drive and close the door, got up out of the chair and shut the office door. > Not really -- those same years go from a Honda 250 Dream to the Falco, > so it's been > a pretty good ride. Please, someone come up with something *really* old so > I can get off > the hook! Abaci, Stonehenge, anything! > My uncle gave me my first bike. I've no idea what it was. The first bike I bought was a Yamaha 250. Honda CB360T and then a Kawasaki. I put off buying a bike for years after that until I got my Softail. > >Hey, it's payday and I'm off to Reuters to support my book habit and > >Chipotle's on M Street. 'See' you after lunch *yum* > > Well, we've got a Chipotle in our building in Crystal City; the food there > is better > than the Ruth's Chris on the 11th floor. Wish we had a Reuters (or a > Computer Literacy, RIP). > We were going to go to Crystal City but I wanted to browse the tech and math books at Reiters. I picked up Radius, T1 A Survival Guide, Windows 2000 Administration in a Nutshell, Windows 2000 Performance Guide, OS X for Unix Geeks, and Windows XP in a Nutshell. Reiters is having a sale so I saved about 30 bucks plus they have a buy 5 get the 6th book free (via shopping card) so I saved another 20 bucks. And I got Chipotle's. And it was raining this weekend so I didn't have to rake leaves. And my brother and his wife just had their first kid on Saturday. And I spent three hours Sunday helping a neighbor get his home network working. He had a Blackbox Workgroup Hub which doesn't have a DHCP server or NAT support. We went out and picked up a Linksys at CompUsa for 60 bucks, put a network card in his kids computer, ran cat5 to his system and now he has a three system network. And the wife is quitting to pursue art (stained glass). > -- Larry I came to work because it's too busy at home :-) Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 18 06:22:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIBMWO7010681; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:22:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIBMVvi010666; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:22:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: Tour de DC- the aftermath Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:22:25 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <003801c28e7e$53027a50$d66a2c42@D7XFG711> <003e01c28ebe$35f7fc10$676990ac@ticostat.com> In-Reply-To: <003e01c28ebe$35f7fc10$676990ac@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02111806222532.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I dropped my bike off at the dealer for the 5000 (6200) mile check (it was actually at 6200 miles) on Saturday. I was going to do the service myself (fricking oil change) but there's a leak in the forward head by the exhaust. While I could probably do it myself, it _is_ under warranty. Carl On Sunday 17 November 2002 23:51, Patti Rodgers wrote: > Thanks to Paul for being the Route Meister! I chickened out, too much of a > wus to ride in the elements (but in my defense, my last few months have > been an episode of Anything That Can Go Wrong, Will, and I was not too keen > on tempting fate!) but will ride the route some time this week or next. I > had a good time socializing at brunch, and I volunteer to bring name tags > next time around. And I also agree with Paul when he says we need to do > this more than once a year! > > Cheers, > > Patti <--- used to be the Lantech, since so many people asked! -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 18 08:51:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIDpGO7011608; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:51:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIDpDOE011598; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:51:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000f01c28f09$8c6593a0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: References: <20021117223802.41335.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Wartime fun Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:51:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Found this little link I thought was comical, hope you all like it. http://www.bigfatbaby.com/newfun2/flash/saddam.swf Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 18 09:21:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIELCO7012091; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:21:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIELBqL012080; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:21:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYPro+PyhaGCYCTcQxCBHpEc9SPdbpl/9BlVZqqcQrSVEGry/TcsVUWwiC9z+uIWuE= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Tour de DC- the aftermath Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:21:08 -0500 Message-ID: <00f001c28f0d$bd4be650$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <003e01c28ebe$35f7fc10$676990ac@ticostat.com> Importance: Normal Yes, thanks, Paul. I didn't chicken out, I just don't like to ride in the rain unless I have to. Something about the 7 hours of cleaning road grime out of every nook and cranny of a nekkid bike. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Patti Rodgers [mailto:mprodgers@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:52 PM To: Paul Wilson; DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Tour de DC- the aftermath Thanks to Paul for being the Route Meister! I chickened out, too much of a wus to ride in the elements (but in my defense, my last few months have been an episode of Anything That Can Go Wrong, Will, and I was not too keen on tempting fate!) but will ride the route some time this week or next. I had a good time socializing at brunch, and I volunteer to bring name tags next time around. And I also agree with Paul when he says we need to do this more than once a year! Cheers, Patti <--- used to be the Lantech, since so many people asked! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 18 09:26:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIEQeO7012420; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:26:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIEQdJC012406; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:26:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004901c28f0e$a81bbf20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Patti Rodgers" , "DC-CYCLES" References: <003801c28e7e$53027a50$d66a2c42@D7XFG711> <003e01c28ebe$35f7fc10$676990ac@ticostat.com> Subject: Re: Tour de DC- the aftermath Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:25:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I know what you mean by tempting fate. I rode the little Interceptor for the first time after its knock-over incident and its hiatus in the shop (Crossroads Cycle). No problems, although I desperately need new tires. Still, I'd rather have a 420-pound bike slipping and sliding around than the VFR. Maybe we should do another in the Spring. Maybe a "George Washington Slept Here" ride??? Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Rodgers" > Thanks to Paul for being the Route Meister! I chickened out, too much of a > wus to ride in the elements (but in my defense, my last few months have been > an episode of Anything That Can Go Wrong, Will, and I was not too keen on > tempting fate!) but will ride the route some time this week or next. I had > a good time socializing at brunch, and I volunteer to bring name tags next > time around. And I also agree with Paul when he says we need to do this > more than once a year! > > Cheers, > > Patti <--- used to be the Lantech, since so many people asked! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 18 09:41:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIEfmO7012796; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:41:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIEflEa012785; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:41:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200211181441.gAIEfk55012768@dirty.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: admin stuff: off-topic postings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <12766.1037630506.1@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:41:46 -0500 From: harry@XXXXXX A gentle reminder, sent periodically, from the list admin human that there is no such thing as an okay off-topic post, putting "OT" in the subject line doesn't make it okay (any more than wearing a sign that says "I just farted" makes it acceptable to fart in an elevator). These things not okay: - politics/religion/opinions/philosophy not related to motorcycling - buying/selling non-motorcycle stuff - offering/seeking jobs unrelated to motorcycling - asking for tech support for non-motorcycle stuff - "joke o' the day" not related to motorcycling - gun talk, unless you're shooting from a moving motorcycle, or shooting someone riding one - everything else not related to motorcycling These things actually okay (but some people mistakenly think they're bad): - buying/selling _personal_ motorcycle stuff (but not as part of your business). This is okay as long as it's low volume, which it always has been. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 18 09:43:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIEhkO7013100; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:43:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIEhjqk013089; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:43:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:43:43 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Tour de DC- the aftermath In-Reply-To: <00f001c28f0d$bd4be650$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Jon Strang wrote: > I didn't chicken out, I just don't like to ride in the rain unless I > have to. Something about the 7 hours of cleaning road grime out of > every nook and cranny of a nekkid bike. Cleaning? You mean you're allowed to _clean_ your bike? Wow. Nobody told me that... I've never actually ridden in the rain during the daylight before, so had a minor moment of panic when I saw my engine _smoking_, by Bog. I was gently reassured that that was just steam, not real smoke. Fish. whew From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 18 09:58:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIEw5O7013457; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:58:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIEw2j1013447; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:58:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00b801c28f13$0aaa9fe0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" References: <00f001c28f0d$bd4be650$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> Subject: Re: Tour de DC- the aftermath Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:59:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:21 AM Subject: RE: Tour de DC- the aftermath > Yes, thanks, Paul. > > I didn't chicken out, I just don't like to ride in the rain unless I have > to. Something about the 7 hours of cleaning road grime out of every nook > and cranny of a nekkid bike. > > --jon > Ah yes, the Attack of the Steaming Headers. Fish's GS was steaming away like a Engine That Could. The VF500 is covered with ground-up leaf spooge this morning. The VF might handle better on wet leaves if the rear tire had more available traction than the wheels on Fred Flintstone's cage. A totally shagged Dunlop K591, which didn't have that much traction the day it was mounted and has even less now. Whoever put the moniker "Elite" on these tires has an active sense of humor. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 18 10:14:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIFEQO7013843; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:14:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIFEN8n013833; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:14:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:14:14 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ANIMAL ALLIES 1st EVER MOTORCYCLE POKER RUN (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Loop-Detect: 1 [This was sent to me by an off-lister. -ph] Dear Friends: If you or anyone you know has a motorcycle, our volunteers, Rich and Lillie, are having a Poker Run this coming Saturday, November 23rd. Registration at Peyton Place on Backlick Road from 11:30 a.m. to 12:30. )B  Draw first card--bikes leave at 12:45 p.m. (great breakfast, great drinks) Ride to Apehangers in Maryland. )B Arriving at approximately 1:30.  Draw card--pool tables--great food--great drinks. Leave Apehangers at 2:30--ride to Mango Mike's on Duke Street, arriving at approximately 3:30 p.m. )B Draw card. Final destination Gus's on Backlick between 4:30 and 5:00 p.m. )B Draw last two poker cards--free pool We will also have a 50/50 drawing with 50% of the cash to the winner and other prizes. All proceeds and donations to to Animal Allies!!!! All poker hands are $10.00 Please post this and/or share this with anyone who might be interested and pray for good weather!!!!! )B  A great big THANK YOU to Rich and Lillie for all they do, fostering, helping at the adoptions and now this!!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 18 10:21:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIFLoO7014188; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:21:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIFLoWs014177; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:21:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021118152147.71623.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:21:47 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: ANIMAL ALLIES 1st EVER MOTORCYCLE POKER RUN (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii SOunds like a lot of drinking (-; --- Peter Hartzler wrote: > [This was sent to me by an off-lister. -ph] > > Dear Friends: > > If you or anyone you know has a motorcycle, our > volunteers, Rich and > Lillie, are having a Poker Run this coming Saturday, > November 23rd. > > Registration at Peyton Place on Backlick Road from > 11:30 a.m. to 12:30. )B  > Draw first card--bikes leave at 12:45 p.m. (great > breakfast, great drinks) > > Ride to Apehangers in Maryland. )B Arriving at > approximately 1:30. )B Draw > card--pool tables--great food--great drinks. > > Leave Apehangers at 2:30--ride to Mango Mike's on > Duke Street, arriving at > approximately 3:30 p.m. )B Draw card. > > Final destination Gus's on Backlick between 4:30 and > 5:00 p.m. )B Draw last > two poker cards--free pool > > We will also have a 50/50 drawing with 50% of the > cash to the winner and > other prizes. > > All proceeds and donations to to Animal Allies!!!! > > All poker hands are $10.00 > > Please post this and/or share this with anyone who > might be interested and > pray for good weather!!!!! )B  A great big THANK YOU > to Rich and Lillie for > all they do, fostering, helping at the adoptions and > now this!!!! > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 18 11:07:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIG73O7014791; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:07:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIG713e014781; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:07:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DD90FBE.209894E0@tasam.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:05:18 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "S. Russell (Mongo)" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wartime fun References: <20021117223802.41335.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> <000f01c28f09$8c6593a0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.funnyheck.com/happyhallowen.html "S. Russell (Mongo)" wrote: > > Found this little link I thought was comical, hope you all like it. > > http://www.bigfatbaby.com/newfun2/flash/saddam.swf > > Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 18 13:23:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIIN6O7015689; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:23:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIIN3EJ015679; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:23:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:22:34 EST Subject: Re: Tour de DC- the aftermath To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 11/18/2002 9:44:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > I just don't like to ride in the rain unless I > > have to. Something about the 7 hours of cleaning road grime out of > > every nook and cranny of a nekkid bike. If you would just let the damn thing get dirty enough it would be cleaner after a rain. John "did not buy it to look at it" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 18 17:50:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIMoWO7017209; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:50:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIMoRhk017199; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:50:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001a01c28f55$0afc6360$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Kudos to Paul Wilson Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:48:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:04 PM Subject: Re: Kudos to Paul Wilson > I'd also like to thank Paul for leading us through some of the more > interesting bits of DC... Honestly, I've mostly considered DC to be one > big urban area, without any good riding roads -- and while this may be > mostly true, Paul showed us that there were some quite beautiful bits as > well! (Rock Creek Park and Fort Staunton [?] being two of the more > memorable ones.) And of course it was nice to meet some dc-cycles people > and match some names to faces... although I'll admit I've already > forgotten the names of the couple on the VFR -- someone remind me, please? > > Anyway, it was fun to see people and to ride about, weather be damned. > Thanks, Paul! > > Fish. > Thanks, Fish. Yeah, Ft. Stanton AKA Our Lady of Perpetual Help is a keeper, isn't it? It's the best "drive-up" panoramic view of the DC skyline I've yet found. It's only rival can be had in parts of Columbia Hts., from St. Elizabeth's or from the cathedral's towers. The ride to and fro OLPH is a little "interesting" however. Too bad the Park Service's grand plan (as envisioned by the Macmillan Commission as a complement to the National Mall) to build continuous parkways on the Fort Circle greenbelt system never came to fruition. We rode the extent of the Fort Circle Pkwy. yesterday through Fort Dupont and Fort Davis Park. The Smithsonian's Anacostia Museum is up there too, in SE. There are some very worthwhile places to visit in the off-the-beaten-track parts of town. Kenilworth Aquatic Gardens is another place and certainly would have been an appropriate destination yesterday. Squish, squish. Paul in DC < Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIN8tO7017358; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:08:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIN8tFH017348; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:08:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021118230836.14365.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:08:36 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Canterbury Subject: On it's side To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So, I was just saying yesterday that I thought I wanted to move my bike from it's location, as I was afraid someone was going to take the turn out of my community too closely and knock the bike over. This was just about 24 hours ago I was saying this. The bike has been sitting it this location since July (no I have not had time or energy lately to ride). When I come home tonight, where is my bike? On it's side in the street! UGH! I'm not too good at picking the thing up myself and that it one of my biggest concerns, "How in the hell am I going to pick it up." It must have been something like lifting a car off your first born, because I picked it up just fine. Now I'm wanting to be less considerate of my neighbors and take a whole parking spot in my lot for my bike. I figure, "Ok, I'll start it up and scoot it into the parking lot." No dice! When I press the starter, click, click, click. Not my day, I guess. Any ideas on getting it started? The battery is pretty much new (replaced in June of last year). I'm guessing it has to do with it sitting for so long, huh? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 18 18:16:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAINGGO7017432; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:16:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAINGEuf017420; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:16:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021118231612.150.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:16:12 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Attack of the SUV's To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hey, but I thought the police were responsible for our protection. Afterall, don't we teach the children to just ignore a crime in action, to walk on by like nothing's happening? Or is that just in the UK? (*sarcastic*) Now, who wants to reckon the 'heros' get speeding tickets? ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 18 18:24:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAINOTO7017528; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:24:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAINOT4P017518; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:24:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [65.216.176.5] From: "Jim Sharifi" To: mayor_canterbury@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: On it's side Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:23:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2002 23:23:21.0985 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C498710:01C28F59] Yeah, I think that they say that a battery that sits unused loses 1% of its charge each day... so if you haven't ridden since july, you can be pretty sure that it is dead. If you need to move it (and you feel confident enough) you could try bump starting it. Turn the power on, put the bike in second, and pop the clutch while running along side of it. >From: Mary Canterbury >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: On it's side >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:08:36 -0800 (PST) > >So, I was just saying yesterday that I thought I >wanted to move my bike from it's location, as I was >afraid someone was going to take the turn out of my >community too closely and knock the bike over. This >was just about 24 hours ago I was saying this. The >bike has been sitting it this location since July (no >I have not had time or energy lately to ride). > >When I come home tonight, where is my bike? On it's >side in the street! UGH! I'm not too good at picking >the thing up myself and that it one of my biggest >concerns, "How in the hell am I going to pick it up." >It must have been something like lifting a car off >your first born, because I picked it up just fine. > >Now I'm wanting to be less considerate of my neighbors >and take a whole parking spot in my lot for my bike. >I figure, "Ok, I'll start it up and scoot it into the >parking lot." No dice! When I press the starter, >click, click, click. > >Not my day, I guess. Any ideas on getting it started? > The battery is pretty much new (replaced in June of >last year). I'm guessing it has to do with it sitting >for so long, huh? > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site >http://webhosting.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 18 18:30:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAINUgO7017590; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:30:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAINUgDO017578; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:30:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: mayor_canterbury@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: On it's side Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:29:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2002 23:29:34.0628 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A665640:01C28F5A] Yeah, most likely. Couple things you could do: If you have, or can get a hold of a Battery Tender, you can charge it up. Or, if there is a hill nearby, you could try and bump start it, also. Either case, when it's fired up again, take it for a nice long ride and be sure to fire it up every so often to keep it fresh. Congrats on picking it up to begin with. Amazing what a little adrenalin can do, eh?! What kind of bike is it? Any idea how it 'fell' over? Significant damage? Sorry to hear about it. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Mary Canterbury To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: On it's side Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:08:36 -0800 (PST) So, I was just saying yesterday that I thought I wanted to move my bike from it's location, as I was afraid someone was going to take the turn out of my community too closely and knock the bike over. This was just about 24 hours ago I was saying this. The bike has been sitting it this location since July (no I have not had time or energy lately to ride). When I come home tonight, where is my bike? On it's side in the street! UGH! I'm not too good at picking the thing up myself and that it one of my biggest concerns, "How in the hell am I going to pick it up." It must have been something like lifting a car off your first born, because I picked it up just fine. Now I'm wanting to be less considerate of my neighbors and take a whole parking spot in my lot for my bike. I figure, "Ok, I'll start it up and scoot it into the parking lot." No dice! When I press the starter, click, click, click. Not my day, I guess. Any ideas on getting it started? The battery is pretty much new (replaced in June of last year). I'm guessing it has to do with it sitting for so long, huh? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 18 18:31:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAINV6O7017617; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:31:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAINV6BT017612; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:31:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021118233103.5517.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:31:03 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Mammary Lane (was: Re: The local MC mercantile) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021115224213.009e1e50@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > At 07:00 PM 11/15/02, Carl Schelin wrote: ... > From a kid in a YMCA ham radio club through a working lifetime, in > seven lines. How sad. In Perl it would have been an elegant implementation in 1 line of code. And since when is XML a programming language? Ditto HTML/SGML etc. K&R are rolling in their graves... Except they're not dead yet. ===== Practice Safe Sex: Neuter and Spay. It's the responsible way. - signed the Cat & the Dog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 08:43:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJDh5O7023282; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:43:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJDh0pq023270; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:43:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZstpJD/JEh/IR0F4tnDY/MjI/4lcDuE7gN1I0Oi/aBrVk7gYU8sjZyjJ6cnzefsjw= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: On it's side Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:42:52 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c28fd1$8f5c4180$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20021118230836.14365.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Mary, You've neglected your best friend since June? No wonder she's blowing you off. You need to take the battery out, check the fluid levels, and put it on a charger. Someone on the list will have one close to you (e.g. I've got a charger...I'm in Arlington.) --jon -----Original Message----- From: Mary Canterbury [mailto:mayor_canterbury@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 6:09 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: On it's side So, I was just saying yesterday that I thought I wanted to move my bike from it's location, as I was afraid someone was going to take the turn out of my community too closely and knock the bike over. This was just about 24 hours ago I was saying this. The bike has been sitting it this location since July (no I have not had time or energy lately to ride). When I come home tonight, where is my bike? On it's side in the street! UGH! I'm not too good at picking the thing up myself and that it one of my biggest concerns, "How in the hell am I going to pick it up." It must have been something like lifting a car off your first born, because I picked it up just fine. Now I'm wanting to be less considerate of my neighbors and take a whole parking spot in my lot for my bike. I figure, "Ok, I'll start it up and scoot it into the parking lot." No dice! When I press the starter, click, click, click. Not my day, I guess. Any ideas on getting it started? The battery is pretty much new (replaced in June of last year). I'm guessing it has to do with it sitting for so long, huh? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 08:47:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJDlrO7023323; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:47:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJDlqlA023316; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:47:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000b01c28fd2$3dbdaca0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" References: <002d01c28fd1$8f5c4180$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> Subject: Re: On it's side Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:47:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Don't know where she is, but I have one also. Also have acid if needed. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 8:42 AM Subject: RE: On it's side > Mary, > > You've neglected your best friend since June? > No wonder she's blowing you off. > > You need to take the battery out, check the fluid levels, and put it on a > charger. > Someone on the list will have one close to you (e.g. I've got a > charger...I'm in Arlington.) > > --jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Canterbury [mailto:mayor_canterbury@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 6:09 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: On it's side > > > So, I was just saying yesterday that I thought I > wanted to move my bike from it's location, as I was > afraid someone was going to take the turn out of my > community too closely and knock the bike over. This > was just about 24 hours ago I was saying this. The > bike has been sitting it this location since July (no > I have not had time or energy lately to ride). > > When I come home tonight, where is my bike? On it's > side in the street! UGH! I'm not too good at picking > the thing up myself and that it one of my biggest > concerns, "How in the hell am I going to pick it up." > It must have been something like lifting a car off > your first born, because I picked it up just fine. > > Now I'm wanting to be less considerate of my neighbors > and take a whole parking spot in my lot for my bike. > I figure, "Ok, I'll start it up and scoot it into the > parking lot." No dice! When I press the starter, > click, click, click. > > Not my day, I guess. Any ideas on getting it started? > The battery is pretty much new (replaced in June of > last year). I'm guessing it has to do with it sitting > for so long, huh? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 09:49:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJEnFO7023805; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:49:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJEnDRO023795; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:49:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008301c28fda$fc971f00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" References: <002d01c28fd1$8f5c4180$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> <000b01c28fd2$3dbdaca0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Subject: Re: On it's side Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:49:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Acid? You don't want to add electrolyte to a battery. Only add distilled water is the fluid levels are low. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Russell (Mongo)" > Don't know where she is, but I have one also. Also have acid if needed. > > Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 09:51:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJEpdO7023895; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:51:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJEpccG023886; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:51:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DDA5133.8D5BE61@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:56:52 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "S. Russell (Mongo)" CC: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: On it's side References: <002d01c28fd1$8f5c4180$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> <000b01c28fd2$3dbdaca0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got a charger here also - Annandale VA, and acid, but one shouldn't *add* acid to a battery. Just water to top it off, preferably distilled. Bill "S. Russell (Mongo)" wrote: > Don't know where she is, but I have one also. Also have acid if needed. > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Strang" > To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 8:42 AM > Subject: RE: On it's side > > > Mary, > > > > You've neglected your best friend since June? > > No wonder she's blowing you off. > > > > You need to take the battery out, check the fluid levels, and put it on a > > charger. > > Someone on the list will have one close to you (e.g. I've got a > > charger...I'm in Arlington.) > > > > --jon > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 09:53:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJErLO7023974; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:53:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJErKNC023966; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:53:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <200211190953190185.00AF26F7@smtp.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <3DDA5133.8D5BE61@patriot.net> References: <002d01c28fd1$8f5c4180$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> <000b01c28fd2$3dbdaca0$9865fea9@Godzilla> <3DDA5133.8D5BE61@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:53:19 -0500 From: "Aki Damme" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: On it's side Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Got a quick charger and a tender here in Herndon. On 11/19/2002 at 9:56 AM William J. Huson wrote: >Got a charger here also - Annandale VA, and acid, but one shouldn't *add* >acid >to a battery. Just water to top it off, preferably distilled. > >Bill > >"S. Russell (Mongo)" wrote: > >> Don't know where she is, but I have one also. Also have acid if needed. >> >> Scott >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jon Strang" >> To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" >> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 8:42 AM >> Subject: RE: On it's side >> >> > Mary, >> > >> > You've neglected your best friend since June? >> > No wonder she's blowing you off. >> > >> > You need to take the battery out, check the fluid levels, and put it >on a >> > charger. >> > Someone on the list will have one close to you (e.g. I've got a >> > charger...I'm in Arlington.) >> > >> > --jon >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 10:25:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJFPlO7024724; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:25:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJFPkHr024716; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:25:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021119002334.00a28d20@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:25:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/18/02 In-Reply-To: <200211190000.gAJ001SR017783@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:00 PM 11/18/02, Matt wrote: >In Perl it would have been an elegant implementation in 1 line of code. Or perhaps a new entry for this year's obfuscated code competition... >And since when is XML a programming language? Ditto HTML/SGML etc. K&R >are rolling in their graves... Except they're not dead yet. Nobody said they were -- they're markup languages, or, in the case of SGML, more accurately a meta-language. Blame it on Carl -- he started it, with assorted hardware, OS, and programming languages all in a row. 8;) Brian Kernighan and Dennis Ritchey are good tough Jersey boys (I used to work with them at Bell Labs). They can take it. 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 11:00:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJG0gO7025187; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:00:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJG0fkZ025177; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:00:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/18/02 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:00:34 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021119002334.00a28d20@mail.9netave.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021119002334.00a28d20@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211191100343P.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 19 November 2002 10:25, llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > At 07:00 PM 11/18/02, Matt wrote: > >In Perl it would have been an elegant implementation in 1 line of code. > > Or perhaps a new entry for this year's obfuscated code competition... > > >And since when is XML a programming language? Ditto HTML/SGML etc. K&R > >are rolling in their graves... Except they're not dead yet. > > Nobody said they were -- they're markup languages, or, in the case of SGML, > more accurately a meta-language. > > Blame it on Carl -- he started it, with assorted hardware, OS, and > programming languages all in a row. 8;) > I'm not saying anything. We've already been yelled at about inappropriate postings. OB-DCC: It was a beautiful cold morning. 28 degrees out a Dulles. I just wish I had my bike so I could ride :-( Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 11:22:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJGMLO7025326; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:22:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJGMKsg025316; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:22:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA767A9FA6@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'fish@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Kudos to Paul Wilson Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:29:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Another thanks to Paul for leading us up roads one never imagined existed in DC. Fish wrote: although I'll admit I've already forgotten the names of the couple on the VFR -- someone remind me, please? That was me and my girlfriend, Lara. It was nice to meet with everybody, and brunch was good too! Mike 96 VFR 88 Hawk 76 CB400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 11:25:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJGPhO7025377; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:25:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJGPhIU025370; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:25:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021119162534.35522.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:25:34 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: On it's side To: Rob Keiser , mayor_canterbury@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If it were me, I'd avoid trying to bump start it. It's been sitting since July; it might be rather difficult to start. If it doesn't start then you have a bike that won't start sitting at the bottom of a hill and that's a bigger problem than having a bike that won't start next to your house. Leon -doesn't like pushing Ninja 250s up hills. --- Rob Keiser wrote: > Yeah, most likely. Couple things you could do: If > you have, or can get a > hold of a Battery Tender, you can charge it up. Or, > if there is a hill > nearby, you could try and bump start it, also. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 11:28:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJGS1O7025423; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:28:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJGS1Jh025414; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:28:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021119162639.40780.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:26:39 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Watch out on Fairfax Co Parkway!!! To: dccyles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I believe this is MC content. There is a speedtrap setup on Fairfax Co Parkway. I got by without getting caught, but I was prepared for it this morning since I saw the how fast are you going sign out yesterday evening. Keith __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 11:29:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJGThO7025459; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:29:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJGTg6H025451; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:29:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DDA6699.7860095D@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:28:09 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: Rob Keiser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: On it's side References: <20021119162534.35522.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > > If it were me, I'd avoid trying to bump start it. > It's been sitting since July; it might be rather > difficult to start. If it doesn't start then you have > a bike that won't start sitting at the bottom of a > hill and that's a bigger problem than having a bike > that won't start next to your house. > > Leon > -doesn't like pushing Ninja 250s up hills. I'd have to agree. if the battery is too far gone, you will not be able to bump start it. Skip -pushed a V65 magna around for a while before figuring that out From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 11:34:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJGYoO7025532; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:34:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJGYn3x025522; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:34:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <200211191134480531.010C1179@smtp.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20021119162639.40780.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021119162639.40780.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:34:48 -0500 From: "Aki Damme" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Watch out on Fairfax Co Parkway!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Uh...FFAX Co Pkwy is pretty big...where on it? On 11/19/2002 at 8:26 AM Keith Lamond wrote: >I believe this is MC content. > >There is a speedtrap setup on Fairfax Co Parkway. I >got by without getting caught, but I was prepared for >it this morning since I saw the how fast are you going >sign out yesterday evening. > >Keith > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site >http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 11:38:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJGcuO7025605; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:38:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJGcta2025595; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:38:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DDA68C6.AA83A3F4@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:37:26 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dccyles Subject: Re: Watch out on Fairfax Co Parkway!!! References: <20021119162639.40780.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith Lamond wrote: > > I believe this is MC content. > > There is a speedtrap setup on Fairfax Co Parkway. I > got by without getting caught, but I was prepared for > it this morning since I saw the how fast are you going > sign out yesterday evening. > > Keith I wondered how long after they got the sniper it would be before they'd be back to the 'strict enforcement' deal on the pkwy... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 11:40:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJGeFO7025650; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:40:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJGeE48025639; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:40:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:39:55 EST Subject: Re: On it's side To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 11/19/2002 8:48:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, macda@XXXXXX writes: > Also have acid if needed. Why would you need acid? You _never_ add acid to a battery except when filling for the first time. _Never_ John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 11:52:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJGqlO7025739; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:52:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJGqkqV025729; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:52:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DDA6C17.7060307@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:51:35 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: On it's side References: <002d01c28fd1$8f5c4180$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> <000b01c28fd2$3dbdaca0$9865fea9@Godzilla> <3DDA5133.8D5BE61@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gotta tender in Stafford. But quite a few auto parts places carry MC batteries, probably only $20-$30. Also the bike maybe flooded - so it maybe hard to start. Tom de '98 VTR William J. Huson wrote: >Got a charger here also - Annandale VA, and acid, but one shouldn't *add* acid >to a battery. Just water to top it off, preferably distilled. > >Bill > >"S. Russell (Mongo)" wrote: > > > >>Don't know where she is, but I have one also. Also have acid if needed. >> >>Scott >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jon Strang" >>To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" >>Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 8:42 AM >>Subject: RE: On it's side >> >> >> >>>Mary, >>> >>>You've neglected your best friend since June? >>>No wonder she's blowing you off. >>> >>>You need to take the battery out, check the fluid levels, and put it on a >>>charger. >>>Someone on the list will have one close to you (e.g. I've got a >>>charger...I'm in Arlington.) >>> >>>--jon >>> >>> >>> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 13:29:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJITpO7026288; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:29:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJITlOi026273; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:29:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200211191829.PYD21193@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:29:42 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Watch out on Fairfax Co Parkway!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Skip wondered: >I wondered how long after they got the sniper it would be before they'd >be back to the 'strict enforcement' deal on the pkwy... > [Dave] What do you mean, *after* ? I came back from vacation on the day of the Massoponix(sp?) shooting. When I passed, the exit was still blocked, on approach, you could see flashing lights on 95, from about 30 - 40 emergency vehicles... 100 yards or so further up the road was a cop (State I think), running radar in the median... I also saw cops on the Pkwy running radar before the apprehension... Oh well... If it's good enough for Tony Williams, it's good enough for us - We need the money... :-| Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 13:30:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJIUMO7026331; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:30:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJIUM7N026324; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:30:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021119183019.78428.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:30:19 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: Watch out on Fairfax Co Parkway!!! To: Skip Smith Cc: dccyles In-Reply-To: <3DDA68C6.AA83A3F4@tasam.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The trap is located on the section one light before Franklin farms. Coming from Reston, it is right after you go under the bridge on that section of road. It looks like they are monitoring speeds at other sections of the road, at least between Reston and Fair Lakes, so the speedtrap may move to other areas people commonly speed at. Keith --- Skip Smith wrote: > Keith Lamond wrote: > > > > I believe this is MC content. > > > > There is a speedtrap setup on Fairfax Co Parkway. > I > > got by without getting caught, but I was prepared > for > > it this morning since I saw the how fast are you > going > > sign out yesterday evening. > > > > Keith > > I wondered how long after they got the sniper it > would be before they'd > be back to the 'strict enforcement' deal on the > pkwy... > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 14:28:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJJSlO7026693; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:28:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJJSkq3026686; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:28:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:28:49 -0500 Subject: Re: On it's side To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If (which is not to say is the case here) a dropped bike has spilled acid it would seem appropriate to replace that acid, no? If not, why not? --garcia "People believe in the merits of selective breeding for every species---except their own." PenguinBiker@XXXXXX writes: >In a message dated 11/19/2002 8:48:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, >macda@XXXXXX writes: > >> Also have acid if needed. > >Why would you need acid? > >You _never_ add acid to a battery except when filling for the first time. >_Never_ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 14:35:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJJZSO7026779; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:35:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJJZSKw026769; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:35:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:35:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Battery Acid... was Re: On it's side In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, garcia oliver wrote: > Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:28:49 -0500 > From: garcia oliver > To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: On it's side > > If (which is not to say is the case here) a dropped bike has spilled acid > it would seem appropriate to replace that acid, no? If not, why not? It would seem to me that it prolly would require a specific gravity check, if thats the case. You need the right mix of water/acid, only way to find out if you need acid or not is to measure it. Also, if the acid spilled -- would be very good to make sure its cleaned up and neutralized. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 14:49:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJJnEO7026892; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:49:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJJnDbl026882; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:49:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021119194911.5448.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:49:11 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Brake Bleeding Conundrum To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all. I have an actual on-topic question! I just purchased stainless steel (Goodridge) brake lines and Speed Bleeders for my new SV650. (yeah I sold the VTR and got an SV) I bled out all the old fluid, replaced the stock lines for the new ones, and replaced the stock bleeders with the Speed Bleeders. My problem is when I try to fill the new lines and bleed them. I've never done this before, so perhaps I'm missing something. I've filled the reservoir to within 10mm of the top as the manual says. When I pull in the brake lever, there is NO pressure as though there is no brake fluid there at all. Pumping the lever does nothing. I've tried opening the bleeders and THEN pulling the brake lever but still no pressure. I've tried all these options with the lid on the reservoir and not on the reservoir. Makes no diff. What am I forgetting? Did I install the brake lines incorrectly somehow? Basically, WTF? Thanks, Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 14:50:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJJoVO7026936; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:50:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJJoV81026923; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:50:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <200211191450250073.01BF3D2F@smtp.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20021119194911.5448.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021119194911.5448.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:50:25 -0500 From: "Aki Damme" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Chris, Did you close the cover and start the bike? On 11/19/2002 at 11:49 AM Chris Weaver wrote: >Hey all. I have an actual on-topic question! > >I just purchased stainless steel (Goodridge) brake >lines and Speed Bleeders for my new SV650. (yeah I >sold the VTR and got an SV) I bled out all the old >fluid, replaced the stock lines for the new ones, and >replaced the stock bleeders with the Speed Bleeders. > >My problem is when I try to fill the new lines and >bleed them. I've never done this before, so perhaps >I'm missing something. I've filled the reservoir to >within 10mm of the top as the manual says. When I pull >in the brake lever, there is NO pressure as though >there is no brake fluid there at all. Pumping the >lever does nothing. I've tried opening the bleeders >and THEN pulling the brake lever but still no >pressure. I've tried all these options with the lid on >the reservoir and not on the reservoir. Makes no diff. > >What am I forgetting? Did I install the brake lines >incorrectly somehow? Basically, WTF? > >Thanks, >Chris Weaver > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site >http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 14:55:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJJt3O7026994; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:55:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJJt26A026984; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:55:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:53:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2002 19:53:55.0284 (UTC) FILETIME=[645CE140:01C29005] Chris, I had a similar problem some years ago. In that case, I ended up stripping out the bleeders and having to take the thing into the shop anyway. Anyway, I think the problem is that you need to get some sort of suction at the bleeder valve to pull some fluid into the line to get things going. Once you've got it started, it should work as you expect. Until then, I don't think much will happen. I could be totally wrong, however. >From: Chris Weaver >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Brake Bleeding Conundrum >Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:49:11 -0800 (PST) > >Hey all. I have an actual on-topic question! > >I just purchased stainless steel (Goodridge) brake >lines and Speed Bleeders for my new SV650. (yeah I >sold the VTR and got an SV) I bled out all the old >fluid, replaced the stock lines for the new ones, and >replaced the stock bleeders with the Speed Bleeders. > >My problem is when I try to fill the new lines and >bleed them. I've never done this before, so perhaps >I'm missing something. I've filled the reservoir to >within 10mm of the top as the manual says. When I pull >in the brake lever, there is NO pressure as though >there is no brake fluid there at all. Pumping the >lever does nothing. I've tried opening the bleeders >and THEN pulling the brake lever but still no >pressure. I've tried all these options with the lid on >the reservoir and not on the reservoir. Makes no diff. > >What am I forgetting? Did I install the brake lines >incorrectly somehow? Basically, WTF? > >Thanks, >Chris Weaver > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site >http://webhosting.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 15:12:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJKC5O7027124; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:12:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJKC4RM027116; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:12:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008201c29008$176f3f60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Chris Weaver" , References: <20021119194911.5448.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:13:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- "Chris Weaver" or is it chris_sv pleaded -- > > My problem is when I try to fill the new lines and > bleed them. I've never done this before, so perhaps > I'm missing something. I've filled the reservoir to > within 10mm of the top as the manual says. When I pull > in the brake lever, there is NO pressure as though > there is no brake fluid there at all. Pumping the > lever does nothing. I've tried opening the bleeders > and THEN pulling the brake lever but still no > pressure. I've tried all these options with the lid on > the reservoir and not on the reservoir. Makes no diff. > > What am I forgetting? Did I install the brake lines > incorrectly somehow? Basically, WTF? > > Thanks, > Chris Weaver > It could be there's so much air in the lines that the master cylinder piston can't force it out via the Speed-bleeder. When I did the brake line transplant on the VFR I used a Mity-Vac to pull the new fluid into the lines. I just applied a little suction to the Speed-bleeder and pumped away on the lever and the lines filled up with fluid. Another handy little item is a double air-free banjo bolt from LP. Makes bleeding the top end a snap, especially with new lines, since you're apt to get a bubble in the top end. If you don't have one, a Mity-Vac is a handy little critter. Hundreds of household uses. OK, well, maybe three or four. I've used it to prime the oil delivery tubes on my ScottOiler too. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 15:21:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJKLJO7027207; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:21:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJKLGYf027191; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:21:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:23:03 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Chris Weaver cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum In-Reply-To: <20021119194911.5448.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > in the brake lever, there is NO pressure as though > there is no brake fluid there at all. Pumping the > lever does nothing. I've tried opening the bleeders Find someone nearby with a Miti-Vac or similar brake bleeder. I'm in Leesburg, you are welcome to borrow mine. It will suck the fluid through. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 15:25:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJKPbO7027289; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:25:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJKPbRg027279; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:25:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021119202535.99941.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:25:35 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Looks like Perry Coleman was the first one to hit the nail on the head. I have an EZE Bleeder syringe apparatus and I attached it to the bleeders and gave it a pull and it was apparently enough suction to pull some fluid into the lines. The rest went smoothly. I still have some air in the lines I think (the lever pull isn't extra-hard), but I can deal with that with the speed bleeders. Thanks to Dan, Paul, Aki, George, Matthew and Perry and everyone else who offered guidance. I think I've got it under control now. I knew I'd get the info I needed here. :) Chris __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 15:29:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJKTeO7027342; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:29:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJKTdI0027332; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:29:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <200211191529320674.0011C3E8@smtp.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20021119202535.99941.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021119202535.99941.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:29:32 -0500 From: "Aki Damme" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I still think you should of started the bike. I probably wouldn't of helped but it's always fun to do. 8-P seriously, glad you got the problem solved and the only reason I suggested you start it just in case the hydrolics pressure is associate with the engine being run, (like in a car). hell..what do I know, I own a Harley. 8-P On 11/19/2002 at 12:25 PM Chris Weaver wrote: >Looks like Perry Coleman was the first one to hit the >nail on the head. I have an EZE Bleeder syringe >apparatus and I attached it to the bleeders and gave >it a pull and it was apparently enough suction to pull >some fluid into the lines. The rest went smoothly. I >still have some air in the lines I think (the lever >pull isn't extra-hard), but I can deal with that with >the speed bleeders. > >Thanks to Dan, Paul, Aki, George, Matthew and Perry >and everyone else who offered guidance. I think I've >got it under control now. I knew I'd get the info I >needed here. :) > >Chris > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site >http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 15:58:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJKwSO7027530; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:58:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJKwRib027520; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:58:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:58:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2002 20:58:20.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[642C6C50:01C2900E] Aki, Do they have hydraulic brakes on Harleys? ;^) Perry >From: "Aki Damme" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum >Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:29:32 -0500 > > >I still think you should of started the bike. I probably >wouldn't of helped but it's always fun to do. 8-P > > >seriously, glad you got the problem solved and the only reason >I suggested you start it just in case the hydrolics pressure is >associate with the engine being run, (like in a car). > >hell..what do I know, I own a Harley. 8-P > > > > > > > >On 11/19/2002 at 12:25 PM Chris Weaver wrote: > > >Looks like Perry Coleman was the first one to hit the > >nail on the head. I have an EZE Bleeder syringe > >apparatus and I attached it to the bleeders and gave > >it a pull and it was apparently enough suction to pull > >some fluid into the lines. The rest went smoothly. I > >still have some air in the lines I think (the lever > >pull isn't extra-hard), but I can deal with that with > >the speed bleeders. > > > >Thanks to Dan, Paul, Aki, George, Matthew and Perry > >and everyone else who offered guidance. I think I've > >got it under control now. I knew I'd get the info I > >needed here. :) > > > >Chris > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > >http://webhosting.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 16:06:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJL6SO7027620; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:06:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJL6RGU027608; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:06:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <200211191606210149.003376C3@smtp.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:06:21 -0500 From: "Aki Damme" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On 11/19/2002 at 3:58 PM Perry Coleman wrote: >Aki, > >Do they have hydraulic brakes on Harleys? ;^) > >Perry well they CALL it that but a stick nailed to the side of the pipes would work better. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 16:18:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJLI3O7027710; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:18:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJLI0Me027693; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:18:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:20:18 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum In-Reply-To: <200211191606210149.003376C3@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > well they CALL it that but a stick nailed to the side of the pipes > would work better. ;-) Its actually SAD how bad the brakes are on my Road King. I can lift the rear wheel off the ground on the vfr using one finger on the lever, on the Harley I gotta yank the hell out of the thing to get a decent stop. It looks like the swept area of the pads is much smaller than the actual rotor surface area. Wonder if bigger pads fit in the calipers. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 16:28:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJLSmO7027799; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:28:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJLSl4C027791; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:28:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <200211191628400886.0047E81C@smtp.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:28:40 -0500 From: "Aki Damme" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On 11/19/2002 at 4:20 PM dan wrote: >> well they CALL it that but a stick nailed to the side of the pipes >> would work better. ;-) > >Its actually SAD how bad the brakes are on my Road King. I can lift the >rear wheel off the ground on the vfr using one finger on the lever, on the >Harley I gotta yank the hell out of the thing to get a decent stop. It >looks like the swept area of the pads is much smaller than the actual >rotor surface area. Wonder if bigger pads fit in the calipers. > >Dan I've heard that you can't, however there's supposed to be better aftermarket pads that are supposed to be better. Heavy cruisers aren't well known for their braking ability but the big question is Why? It doesn't take that much technology to give cruisers the same stopping ability found on sport bikes. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 16:42:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJLgaO7027915; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:42:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJLgZxM027905; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:42:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <019501c29014$bcae9960$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Aki Damme" , "dc-cycles list" References: <200211191628400886.0047E81C@smtp.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:43:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aki Damme" > I've heard that you can't, however there's supposed to be better > aftermarket > pads that are supposed to be better. Heavy cruisers aren't well known for > their braking ability but the big question is Why? It doesn't take that > much technology to give cruisers the same stopping ability found on sport > bikes. > You've got to look at the whole package. That means suspension and tires as well as rotors and pads. Oodles of braking power doesn't do you any good if you can't keep the rubber mated to the road surface. Sportbike brakes and cruiser suspension and tires would not be a happy combination. Oh no, the dreaded brake thread. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 16:57:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJLvvO7028027; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:57:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJLvvUw028017; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:57:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:00:14 -0500 (EST) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum In-Reply-To: <019501c29014$bcae9960$bb82fea9@palladio1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > You've got to look at the whole package. That means suspension and tires as > well as rotors and pads. Oodles of braking power doesn't do you any good if > you can't keep the rubber mated to the road surface. Sportbike brakes and > cruiser suspension and tires would not be a happy combination. > Well in the case of the FLHR, its got dual rotors and plenty of meat up front. I just can't stand the effort you have to use on the lever to get it do scrub speed, makes it really hard to modulate at the limits. But then again I guess I'm one of the few that rides his dresser like its stolen :-D I'll bet after a six pack it doesn't matter. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 17:07:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAJM7cO7028159; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:07:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAJM7bQG028149; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:07:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DDAB5D1.E3CE01C7@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:06:09 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Weaver CC: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum References: <20021119202535.99941.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Weaver wrote: > > Looks like Perry Coleman was the first one to hit the > nail on the head. I have an EZE Bleeder syringe > apparatus and I attached it to the bleeders and gave > it a pull and it was apparently enough suction to pull > some fluid into the lines. The rest went smoothly. I > still have some air in the lines I think (the lever > pull isn't extra-hard), but I can deal with that with > the speed bleeders. > > Thanks to Dan, Paul, Aki, George, Matthew and Perry > and everyone else who offered guidance. I think I've > got it under control now. I knew I'd get the info I > needed here. :) One thing I did on my magna that made a huge difference was: After you have bled the brakes to your satisfaction, pull the handle in. don't put a crying strain on it, but don't be a baby. zip tie it in place, turn the handlebars so that the brake resevoir is at the highest point, and leave it over night. when I was bleeding my brakes, I had the cover off, and I could see 'tiny bubbles' coming out of the M/C. YMMV Blue skies! Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 19:36:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAK0arO7030472; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:36:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAK0amU2030462; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:36:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: mayor_canterbury@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:35:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2002 00:35:41.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[C123B9E0:01C2902C] How old is the batt? Old thread subject prone to bringing out the opinions of just about every techno weenie on the list.... IF it's over 3 YOA get a replacement... my recommendation get a gel batt. They are drop in replacements and when you tip the bike... no spills, in fact these babies don't even have a vent tube (pull the old one after installation. I put one in 2 years ago and have never put a recharge on it, I trickle charged it for about an hour late last winter (or really early last spring). My ride sat for over 2 months over the summer (I was travelling on business) started right up. my 2cents and well worth it. aw Never meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 19:41:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAK0f1O7030522; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:41:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAK0f03C030510; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:41:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021119193908.01ef0ff8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:40:53 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:35 PM 11/19/2002, Adam Wah wrote: >How old is the batt? Old thread subject prone to bringing out the >opinions of just about every techno weenie on the list.... > >IF it's over 3 YOA get a replacement... my recommendation get a gel batt. >They are drop in replacements and when you tip the bike... no spills, in >fact these babies don't even have a vent tube (pull the old one after >installation. > >I put one in 2 years ago and have never put a recharge on it, I trickle >charged it for about an hour late last winter (or really early last >spring). My ride sat for over 2 months over the summer (I was travelling >on business) started right up. > >my 2cents and well worth it. >aw I second the gel battery or an Optima battery. They aren't much more than a standard sealed battery but are WAY better. I have an Optima in my 99 Durango after my OEM died 13 months after I bought it. It's worked perfectly and others I've known who's had Optimas have said that it's lasted them 8 years or more. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 19:41:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAK0fMO7030549; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:41:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAK0fMhY030544; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:41:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MC skiing Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:41:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2002 00:41:15.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[88126470:01C2902D] So... I'm out cruising around a couple of weeks ago on my rat Beemer, pull up close to a brand new R1100 RT admire the look, check out the fully clad rider and then the light turns green and he takes off... dragging his feet completely through the intersection, makes his left hander and still has his feet down.... does BMW make color coordinated ski's for such a technique? aw Never meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Catsup. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 19:46:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAK0kWO7030612; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:46:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAK0kVAk030597; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:46:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006b01c2902e$406b1490$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: "Paul Wilson" , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" References: <002d01c28fd1$8f5c4180$0d0312ac@ddlomni.com> <000b01c28fd2$3dbdaca0$9865fea9@Godzilla> <008301c28fda$fc971f00$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: On it's side Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:42:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sorry, I meant electrolyte. Misquoted in a hurry there. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: "S. Russell (Mongo)" ; "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: Re: On it's side > Acid? You don't want to add electrolyte to a battery. Only add distilled > water is the fluid levels are low. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "S. Russell (Mongo)" > > > > > Don't know where she is, but I have one also. Also have acid if needed. > > > > Scott > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 19:54:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAK0s2O7030664; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:54:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAK0s2b5030654; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:54:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:51:11 -0500 Subject: Next ride?? From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit So, when you folks are ready let me know and I will put together a little ride and brunch deal out here in Wild and Wonderful. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 20:02:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAK12dO7030745; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:02:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAK12dt7030737; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:02:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3DDAB5D1.E3CE01C7@tasam.com> References: <20021119202535.99941.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> <3DDAB5D1.E3CE01C7@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 19 Nov 2002 20:02:32 -0500 Message-Id: <1037754152.2149.612.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Er... except... that won't do anything, really. When you pull the brake lever, the piston goes in, sealing off the passage to the reservoir. If you don't have a mighty-vac or similar tool handy when installing new lines, remove the cap to the reservoir, fill it, open the bleeders on the calipers, and walk away for a while. Gravity works. After a few hours, enough fluid should have drained into the new lines to allow you to manually bleed the system. A mighty-vac is still MUCH easier :) - Roach On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 17:06, Skip Smith wrote: > One thing I did on my magna that made a huge difference was: > > After you have bled the brakes to your satisfaction, pull the handle > in. don't put a crying strain on it, but don't be a baby. zip tie it > in place, turn the handlebars so that the brake resevoir is at the > highest point, and leave it over night. when I was bleeding my brakes, > I had the cover off, and I could see 'tiny bubbles' coming out of the > M/C. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 21:40:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAK2eAO7031235; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:40:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAK2e64Y031225; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:40:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DDAF741.8A55F6D4@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:45:21 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: Aki Damme , dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum References: <200211191628400886.0047E81C@smtp.east.cox.net> <019501c29014$bcae9960$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > You've got to look at the whole package. That means suspension and tires as > well as rotors and pads. Oodles of braking power doesn't do you any good if > you can't keep the rubber mated to the road surface. Sportbike brakes and > cruiser suspension and tires would not be a happy combination. > > Oh no, the dreaded brake thread. :) > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F Methinks the perceived brake prob on the Harley cruisers is the *feel*. Front brakes on my FLHS feels kinda soft, like you need to squeeze, but on stop tests the Harleys drag down on target. So I'd rather have to squeeze when I want more stopping rather than have to feather-finger an overspeced twitchy brake system. Of course mine might be extra squishy seeing as how the rubber brake lines are almost ten years old. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 21:54:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAK2sWO7031338; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:54:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAK2sVXR031328; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:54:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021120025428.69454.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:54:28 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: FS: VF Cool Taillight Bulbs (Moto-content) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200211200000.gAK0015g028815@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, I have two very cool tail light bulbs for sale - not just for VF/VFRs ;) $30.00 - you pick up in Arlington. I bought them for visibility (belive me, they are!) but they're a bit _too_ distracting to the person behind me when I (group) ride. Here's what Aerostitch has to say about these bad boyz: ---------------------------- "Spinning/Flashing Taillight Bulb ...lots easier than re-wiring a separate bulb )B‘modulator’ control box. In use, eleven bright bulbs continuously/sequentially )B‘spin’....until you use your brakes. Then they all flash on and off together at double intensity. This is an easy way to experiment with modulated light flashers...without wiring in a special controller box. A side benefit: this bulb uses less electricity than a conventional taillight (so you have more for electric grips, vests and stuff...). Fits all bikes with #1157 two filament bulbs (which is just about everything). Legal disclaimer: For off-road use only. CAT. NO. 2540 $ 42.00" ---------------------------- Two for you for only $30.00 (You may have to enlarge your bulb openings. I had to for my 95 VFR) As for the legal disclaimer mentioned, I'm not sure any judge will convict you for having increased conspicuity on a motorcycle, but I might be wrong. Ping me off list if interested. I'm in digest-mode John Kozyn (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 22:30:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAK3UdO7031718; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:30:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAK3UcZO031708; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:30:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021119222522.009ecb70@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:30:17 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: OT non-no's In-Reply-To: <200211200000.gAK0015g028815@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Carl wrote: >I'm not saying anything. We've already been yelled at about inappropriate postings. Oh -- was that directed at us? There's so much unsnipped following-up going on that it's damn near impossible to read the digest version any more, let alone tell who's talking to whom, especially when digest readers post without setting an appropriate subject. Compared to that needless volume of crap, our two or three short postings were hardly noticeable, but: mea culpa. Sorry anyway. Back to digest reading and lurking. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 22:37:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAK3bnO7031779; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:37:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAK3bnaJ031769; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:37:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <013301c29046$241e4830$842d2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Bob McKeithen" , "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Next ride?? Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:37:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Let's see: promise us no rain, temps above 60, fabulous food and no gravel in the corners and you've got yourself a deal. Actually most of that is negotiable in my case. Glad you could make it Sunday. You won the prize for coming the farthest. Paul in DC < To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 7:51 PM Subject: Next ride?? > So, when you folks are ready let me know and I will put together a little > ride and brunch deal out here in Wild and Wonderful. > > Bob > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 19 23:47:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAK4lVO7032111; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:47:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAK4lTbi032101; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:47:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021119234545.01eea3f8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:47:23 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum In-Reply-To: <3DDAF741.8A55F6D4@patriot.net> References: <200211191628400886.0047E81C@XXXXXX> <019501c29014$bcae9960$bb82fea9@palladio1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have the braided lines and there's definitely a difference between the brake feel of braided lines and the stock rubber lines. However, I *still* feel like there's not a whole lot of confidence when I hit the front brake. I've gotten used to it though and just adjust my stopping distance accordingly. But there's definitely a difference in feel between this bike and the Magnas I had. At 09:45 PM 11/19/2002, William J. Huson wrote: >Paul Wilson wrote: > > > You've got to look at the whole package. That means suspension and > tires as > > well as rotors and pads. Oodles of braking power doesn't do you any > good if > > you can't keep the rubber mated to the road surface. Sportbike brakes and > > cruiser suspension and tires would not be a happy combination. > > > > Oh no, the dreaded brake thread. :) > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F > >Methinks the perceived brake prob on the Harley cruisers is the *feel*. Front >brakes on my FLHS feels kinda soft, like you need to squeeze, but on stop >tests >the Harleys drag down on target. So I'd rather have to squeeze when I >want more >stopping rather than have to feather-finger an overspeced twitchy brake >system. > >Of course mine might be extra squishy seeing as how the rubber brake lines are >almost ten years old. > >Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 00:04:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAK54KO7032236; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:04:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAK54Jm7032226; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:04:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DDB1918.DF829541@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:09:44 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum References: <200211191628400886.0047E81C@XXXXXX> <019501c29014$bcae9960$bb82fea9@palladio1> <5.2.0.9.2.20021119234545.01eea3f8@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > I have the braided lines and there's definitely a difference between the brake > feel of braided lines and the stock rubber lines. However, I *still* feel > like there's > not a whole lot of confidence when I hit the front brake. > > I've gotten used to it though and just adjust my stopping distance accordingly. > > But there's definitely a difference in feel between this bike and the Magnas > I had. I figure when the brake lines start to *puff* and crack I'll go with braided steel. The new Harley heavys have floating disks and more pad squisher things, but I can't see making that mod. My former mega-mile bike was an `81 Suzuki GS550E, which wieghed way less than the Hawg. Disk brakes, they worked fine, but the cramp down stopping distance wasn't much better than my present beast. Rained on my ride over to Doc Eyeball today. That's when I kinda like the soft feel on the Hawg brakes :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 06:21:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKBLcO7001853; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:21:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKBLaBR001843; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:21:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT non-no's Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:21:30 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021119222522.009ecb70@mail.9netave.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021119222522.009ecb70@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02112006213047.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 19 November 2002 22:30, llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > Carl wrote: > >I'm not saying anything. We've already been yelled at about inappropriate > > postings. > > Oh -- was that directed at us? There's so much unsnipped following-up going > on that it's damn near impossible to read the digest version any more, let > alone tell who's talking to whom, especially when digest readers post > without setting an appropriate subject. Compared to that needless volume of > crap, our two or three short postings were hardly noticeable, but: mea > culpa. Sorry anyway. > No big deal. I'm just killing time here at work between 5 and 8 meeting days and waiting on the ride getting out of the shop. Maybe I'm just getting twitchy with no "in the wind" since Saturday :-( > Back to digest reading and lurking. > Ahh, lurking's no fun. > -- Larry Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 07:33:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKCX3O7002193; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:33:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKCX20e002182; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:33:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1970 01:57:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum From: Rob Curits To: Chris Weaver , Message-ID: <7C271D84.17CA%rmcurtis@prodigy.net> In-Reply-To: <20021119194911.5448.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hey Chris- I had the same issue with my speedbleeders. I called the manufacturer and they said that the won't work on a dry system as their isn't enough pressure with all that air to force the valve open. I primed the system using the old bleeders, then swapped them out and bled the system. I also installed a banjo bleeder at the top and it helped a great deal. Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 08:23:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKDNRO7002417; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:23:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKDNRdA002409; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:23:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021120132319.16768.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:23:19 -0800 (PST) From: Nicholas Thompson Subject: Re: Next ride?? To: Paul Wilson , Bob McKeithen , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <013301c29046$241e4830$842d2c42@D7XFG711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would be delighted to ride with anyone after this weekend. I posted an inquiry while ago about the 996 SuperHawk(98 w/7200 mi on the clock). This weekend I am going out of town to pick it up. If everyone is planning on meeting this weekend, then perhaps I'll catch up some other time. rgds, Nick Thompson --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Let's see: promise us no rain, temps above 60, > fabulous food and no gravel > in the corners and you've got yourself a deal. > Actually most of that is > negotiable in my case. > > Glad you could make it Sunday. You won the prize > for coming the farthest. > > Paul in DC < 95 VFR - 86 VF500F > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob McKeithen" > To: "DC Cycles" > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 7:51 PM > Subject: Next ride?? > > > > So, when you folks are ready let me know and I > will put together a little > > ride and brunch deal out here in Wild and > Wonderful. > > > > Bob > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 08:52:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKDqIO7002583; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:52:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKDqHW0002572; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:52:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <91.26537ddc.2b0ced89@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:52:09 EST Subject: Re: On it's side To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 11/19/2002 2:28:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, garicao@XXXXXX writes: > If (which is not to say is the case here) a dropped bike has spilled acid > it would seem appropriate to replace that acid, no? If not, why not? > In 8 years as a motorcycle mechanic I have never seen enough acid leak out of a battery to require more (short of breaking it.) In addition there is no way to know how much of the "missing" acid is the result of the drop or the result of normal evaporation. Adding acid to replace water that has evaporated increases the concentration of the acid, a bad thing. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 08:54:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKDsAO7002867; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:54:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKDsAP1002862; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:54:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:53:58 EST Subject: Re: Battery Acid... was Re: On it's side To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 11/19/2002 2:35:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, brown@XXXXXX writes: > Also, if the acid spilled -- > would be very good to make sure its cleaned up and neutralized. > Keep some good old baking soda in your shop area to clean up acid. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 09:11:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKEBrO7002983; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:11:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKEBrdN002975; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:11:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <189.112f60d4.2b0cf21f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:11:43 EST Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 11/19/2002 4:18:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, dan@XXXXXX writes: > Wonder if bigger pads fit in the calipers. Would not help. Friction is a combination of area, (size of pads) pressure and material. Increasing the pad size would reduce the pressure pre square inch for a no gain result. There may be master cylinder, caliper and/or rotor replacements that would work but they would be expensive. My first step would be to see if there are any replacement pads that would work better. There should be someone out there making better pads. (One word of caution here, I have had aftermarket pad that worked OK dry but in the rain I could (and did) literally _stand_ on the brake pedal with no apparent slowing of the bike at all.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 09:41:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKEf4O7003166; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:41:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKEf3ve003158; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:41:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021120093813.00b66f28@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:40:56 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum In-Reply-To: <189.112f60d4.2b0cf21f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:11 AM 11/20/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 11/19/2002 4:18:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, >dan@XXXXXX writes: > > > Wonder if bigger pads fit in the calipers. > >Would not help. Friction is a combination of area, (size of pads) pressure >and material. Increasing the pad size would reduce the pressure pre square >inch for a no gain result. There may be master cylinder, caliper and/or rotor >replacements that would work but they would be expensive. My first step would >be to see if there are any replacement pads that would work better. There >should be someone out there making better pads. (One word of caution here, I >have had aftermarket pad that worked OK dry but in the rain I could (and did) >literally _stand_ on the brake pedal with no apparent slowing of the bike at >all.) The one aftermarket brand that keeps getting mentioned is Lyndall pads (http://www.lyndallracingbrakes.com/home.htm) I've heard nothing but good stuff about those pads and when it's time to replace my pads they're the ones I'm most likely going with. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 10:06:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKF6GO7003345; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:06:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKF6Fn5003338; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:06:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00e701c290a6$88c0c1e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" , "Aki Damme" References: <5.2.0.9.2.20021120093813.00b66f28@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: EBCs for BDCs, was Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:07:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aki Damme" > > The one aftermarket brand that keeps getting mentioned is > Lyndall pads (http://www.lyndallracingbrakes.com/home.htm) > > I've heard nothing but good stuff about those pads and when it's > time to replace my pads they're the ones I'm most likely going with. > > -aki > FWIW, I've used EBC HH pads on the VFR and I'm very pleased with the stopping power. Excellent "bite" and no fading. Downside is a bit more rotor wear compared to stock, but I'd rather have more braking power when mixing with DC BDCs and worry about the rotors later. Rotor wear is not all that significant and I've had the EBCs on for about 15k miles. YHDBPSMV (Your Harley-Davidson Brake Pad Selection May Vary) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 10:27:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKFRQO7003495; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:27:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKFRPxY003487; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:27:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DDBA97F.300942CA@tasam.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:25:51 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum References: <20021119202535.99941.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> <3DDAB5D1.E3CE01C7@XXXXXX> <1037754152.2149.612.camel@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Roach wrote: > > Er... except... that won't do anything, really. When you pull the brake > lever, the piston goes in, sealing off the passage to the reservoir. > > If you don't have a mighty-vac or similar tool handy when installing new > lines, remove the cap to the reservoir, fill it, open the bleeders on > the calipers, and walk away for a while. Gravity works. After a few > hours, enough fluid should have drained into the new lines to allow you > to manually bleed the system. > > A mighty-vac is still MUCH easier :) perhaps you missed the first part of the second sentence... "After you have bled the brakes to your satisfaction" I wasn't specifically addressing his "how do I get the brakes to start bleeding" question... just tip that I used "AFTER" I had bled the brakes. :~) Blue skies, fair winds! Skip > > - Roach > > On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 17:06, Skip Smith wrote: > > > One thing I did on my magna that made a huge difference was: > > > > After you have bled the brakes to your satisfaction, pull the handle > > in. don't put a crying strain on it, but don't be a baby. zip tie it > > in place, turn the handlebars so that the brake resevoir is at the > > highest point, and leave it over night. when I was bleeding my brakes, > > I had the cover off, and I could see 'tiny bubbles' coming out of the > > M/C. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 13:31:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKIV2O7004686; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:31:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKIV164004674; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:31:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021120183054.1138.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:30:54 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: EBCs for BDCs, was Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list , Aki Damme In-Reply-To: <00e701c290a6$88c0c1e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii my mileage has varied. i can warp any set of rotors (ebc included) in HALF the mileage with HH pads. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aki Damme" > > > > The one aftermarket brand that keeps getting mentioned > is > > Lyndall pads > (http://www.lyndallracingbrakes.com/home.htm) > > > > I've heard nothing but good stuff about those pads and > when it's > > time to replace my pads they're the ones I'm most > likely going with. > > > > -aki > > > FWIW, I've used EBC HH pads on the VFR and I'm very > pleased with the > stopping power. Excellent "bite" and no fading. > Downside is a bit more > rotor wear compared to stock, but I'd rather have more > braking power when > mixing with DC BDCs and worry about the rotors later. > Rotor wear is not all > that significant and I've had the EBCs on for about 15k > miles. > > YHDBPSMV (Your Harley-Davidson Brake Pad Selection May > Vary) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 13:46:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKIkLO7004806; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:46:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKIkEXd004796; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:46:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021120184611.77573.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:46:11 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Moyer Subject: Fwd: Re: 211 video request To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mike Troutman: I am looking for the video described below (211). Do you have this? I checked your site but couldn't locate the video in question. Could you let me know? I'm in digest mode so you'd need to contact me directly through e-mail, otherwise I'll read about it tonight after 6pm. Thx., Moyer --- Tom Gimer wrote: > Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:22:04 -0800 > From: Tom Gimer > Subject: Re: 211 video request > To: WSDYMF@XXXXXX > > todd and i ran into mike troutman in sperryville. mike had > his camera mounted to the rear seat. the video really > sucked, but he's probably still got it on site. > > > > > --- Scott Moyer wrote: > > Sometime back, while I was in Europe I think, someone was > > passing around a link to a > > download page of Mofo videos. One of the vids was of a > > camera mounted on the back of > > someone's bike (Kozyn?) that filmed two other Mofos > > follwing him up 211. I am pretty > > sure one of the followers was Gimer; don't know about the > > other. > > > > Anyone remember this vid and know where I could download > > a copy of it from? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Moyer __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 13:57:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKIv4O7004981; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:57:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKIv0rY004972; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:57:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021120185647.89416.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:56:47 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Importing a Race bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all, It looks like I may be able to pick up an excellent condition 1993 Honda NSR 250 (MC21) for real cheap here in Chile, where certain 2-strokes are about to be banned from Santiago street use. My question, though, is what kinds of US Customs hoops will I have to jump through to bring it back to the US as a race-only bike? I plan to use it for track days. Anyone have experience with this? Anyone bought a race bike in Japan and shipped it to the US? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Adam Reinhardt Santiago, Chile (until Jan) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 14:32:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKJWSO7005224; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:32:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKJWRC2005219; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:32:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001501c290cb$b9e441a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Speed cam story Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:33:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 For those who don't read That Other Paper, a story on DC's speed cams, from the Washington Times. http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20021120-47081026.htm Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 14:39:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKJdkO7005336; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:39:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKJdjbF005329; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:39:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021120143608.00b795b8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:39:35 -0500 To: "dc-cycles list" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Speed cam story In-Reply-To: <001501c290cb$b9e441a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:33 PM 11/20/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: >For those who don't read That Other Paper, a story on DC's speed cams, from >the Washington Times. > >http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20021120-47081026.htm > >Paul in DC I find it humorous that Va. has decided not to continue the program. However, given the uproar over the DMV fiasco due to the budget shortfall in Virginias budget, they'll have to reopen some of them but they'll need to recoup the money *somewhere*. Anyone want to place any bets that as soon as Va. sees how much $$ DC has made, they'll be jumping on the bandwagon also? Anyone? Didn't think so. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 14:51:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKJpbO7005420; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:51:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKJpbf6005412; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:51:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005501c290ce$67322f00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <5.2.0.9.2.20021120143608.00b795b8@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: Speed cam story Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:52:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aki Damme" > At 02:33 PM 11/20/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > >For those who don't read That Other Paper, a story on DC's speed cams, from > >the Washington Times. > > > >http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20021120-47081026.htm > > > >Paul in DC > > > I find it humorous that Va. has decided not to continue the program. > > However, given the uproar over the DMV fiasco due to the budget shortfall > in Virginias budget, they'll have to reopen some of them but they'll need > to recoup the money *somewhere*. > > Anyone want to place any bets that as soon as Va. sees how much > $$ DC has made, they'll be jumping on the bandwagon also? > > Anyone? > > Didn't think so. > The story says VA's *red light* cams legislative authorization expires in 2005. VA has no speed cam law on the books and probably won't. Speaking of which, what's the status of the GW Pkwy. speed cams? They appear to be dormant. Just about everyone boogies by them at a minimum 10-15 mph over the limit. And they don't flash at night. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 16:16:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKLGUO7005994; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:16:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKLGTei005984; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:16:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005c01c290da$130c7910$250310ac@ddlomni.com> From: "Jon Strang" To: , "Aki Damme" References: <200211191628400886.0047E81C@smtp.east.cox.net> <019501c29014$bcae9960$bb82fea9@palladio1> <5.2.0.9.2.20021119234545.01eea3f8@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:16:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2002 21:16:21.0594 (UTC) FILETIME=[1301A3A0:01C290DA] Aki, It seems that cruisers in general, HD in specific, go for the manly-man four-fingered brake pull. I've ridden an older Shovel, but with super-fancy upgraded PM brakes, s/s lines, and hi-perf pads, and it still took my Japanese-trained hands all four fingers to get any stop. Same with the stock and new Sportster 1200 I rented a couple of years back (for a 1000 mile blast through AZ mountains). Plenty of stop, just lots of lever effort required. My educated guess is that the marketing folks direct the engineers to do this. The engineers, being engineers, put in a larger piston in the master cylinder, giving less hydraulic "leverage" (aka mechanical advantage) to the brake lever. This gives that cruiser feel to the brakes. Way back when, my brother had an ATK (american dirt bike) with Brembo brakes, and a huge lever effort compared to the KX, CR, YZ, RM of the day. We swapped out the Brembo master cylinder with a Nissin that had a smaller piston...instant one fingered braking. --jon 2001 1200 Bandit s/s brake lines, HH pads, lotsa stop ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aki Damme" To: "dc-cycles" Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:47 PM Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum > I have the braided lines and there's definitely a difference between the brake > feel of braided lines and the stock rubber lines. However, I *still* feel > like there's > not a whole lot of confidence when I hit the front brake. > > I've gotten used to it though and just adjust my stopping distance accordingly. > > But there's definitely a difference in feel between this bike and the Magnas > I had. > > > > At 09:45 PM 11/19/2002, William J. Huson wrote: > >Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > > You've got to look at the whole package. That means suspension and > > tires as > > > well as rotors and pads. Oodles of braking power doesn't do you any > > good if > > > you can't keep the rubber mated to the road surface. Sportbike brakes and > > > cruiser suspension and tires would not be a happy combination. > > > > > > Oh no, the dreaded brake thread. :) > > > > > > Paul in DC > > > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F > > > >Methinks the perceived brake prob on the Harley cruisers is the *feel*. Front > >brakes on my FLHS feels kinda soft, like you need to squeeze, but on stop > >tests > >the Harleys drag down on target. So I'd rather have to squeeze when I > >want more > >stopping rather than have to feather-finger an overspeced twitchy brake > >system. > > > >Of course mine might be extra squishy seeing as how the rubber brake lines are > >almost ten years old. > > > >Bill > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 16:19:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKLJiO7006033; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:19:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKLJi7i006027; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:19:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008601c290da$8764b6b0$250310ac@ddlomni.com> From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Fw: EBCs for BDCs, was Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:19:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2002 21:19:36.0788 (UTC) FILETIME=[8759E140:01C290DA] Tom uses brakes? ----- "Tom Gimer" wrote: > my mileage has varied. > > i can warp any set of rotors (ebc included) in HALF the > mileage with HH pads. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 16:24:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKLOmO7006101; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:24:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKLOlXf006090; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:24:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021120212439.8713.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:24:39 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Fw: EBCs for BDCs, was Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum To: Jon Strang , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <008601c290da$8764b6b0$250310ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sorry. para 2 of that post should have begun "on an inline 4," --- Jon Strang wrote: > > Tom uses brakes? > > ----- "Tom Gimer" wrote: > > > my mileage has varied. > > > > i can warp any set of rotors (ebc included) in HALF the > > mileage with HH pads. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 16:46:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKLkDO7006248; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:46:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKLkDOi006242; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:46:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021120164415.00b9fcf8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:46:08 -0500 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum In-Reply-To: <005c01c290da$130c7910$250310ac@ddlomni.com> References: <200211191628400886.0047E81C@XXXXXX> <019501c29014$bcae9960$bb82fea9@palladio1> <5.2.0.9.2.20021119234545.01eea3f8@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:16 PM 11/20/2002, Jon Strang wrote: >Aki, > >It seems that cruisers in general, HD in specific, go for the manly-man >four-fingered brake pull. I've ridden an older Shovel, but with super-fancy >upgraded PM brakes, s/s lines, and hi-perf pads, and it still took my >Japanese-trained hands all four fingers to get any stop. Same with the >stock and new Sportster 1200 I rented a couple of years back (for a 1000 >mile blast through AZ mountains). Plenty of stop, just lots of lever effort >required. > >My educated guess is that the marketing folks direct the engineers to do >this. The engineers, being engineers, put in a larger piston in the master >cylinder, giving less hydraulic "leverage" (aka mechanical advantage) to the >brake lever. This gives that cruiser feel to the brakes. > >Way back when, my brother had an ATK (american dirt bike) with Brembo >brakes, and a huge lever effort compared to the KX, CR, YZ, RM of the day. >We swapped out the Brembo master cylinder with a Nissin that had a smaller >piston...instant one fingered braking. > >--jon >2001 1200 Bandit >s/s brake lines, HH pads, lotsa stop you may be right. I also think that HD caters to the "less than experienced" crowd and may have designed the brakes to be a little on the gentle side to prevent the "instant bad-ass newbies" from going over the handlebars or locking up the front brake and high siding. Just a guess but in warped way, makes sense. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 16:56:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKLurO7006443; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:56:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKLur1Y006439; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:56:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:56:46 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Paper To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Slightly OT: Body/Paint shop for bike/cage Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi folks, Looking for a recommendation for a good paint shop/body shop in the Western Fairfax/Easterns Loudoun area (Leesburg too I guess). Got some work to get done on a cage w/ metallic paint, and some tank painting for the bike. You guys & gals give great advice. If you send them to me off list, I'll summarize and post the results. ObMoto: I saw some VDOT folks parked around Rt 7 and Cascades Pkwy off on the curbs. Looked like they were doing traffic studies at the intersections. A couple of them had cop cars parked right next to them. Any idea what they were doing (besides the obvious of counting cars)? Thanks, -dave -- cerberus@XXXXXX Little bunny Cthulhu hopping through the forest, www.ginch.org picking up fieldmice and ripping out their souls. Your screams, my music. Fight the break of dawn. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 16:59:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKLxcO7006488; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:59:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKLxbMv006483; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:59:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021120215935.59259.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:59:35 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20021120164415.00b9fcf8@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's unlikely that anyone would be going over the handlebars on any bike due to heavy braking unless you're talking botched stoppies. I've never seen a stoppie on a Harley, but of course that's not to say it hasn't been done. Also, I believe a high-side due to a front end slide would be impossible. Low-side, sure. :^) Chris --- Aki Damme wrote: > At 04:16 PM 11/20/2002, Jon Strang wrote: > >Aki, > > > >It seems that cruisers in general, HD in specific, > go for the manly-man > >four-fingered brake pull. I've ridden an older > Shovel, but with super-fancy > >upgraded PM brakes, s/s lines, and hi-perf pads, > and it still took my > >Japanese-trained hands all four fingers to get any > stop. Same with the > >stock and new Sportster 1200 I rented a couple of > years back (for a 1000 > >mile blast through AZ mountains). Plenty of stop, > just lots of lever effort > >required. > > > >My educated guess is that the marketing folks > direct the engineers to do > >this. The engineers, being engineers, put in a > larger piston in the master > >cylinder, giving less hydraulic "leverage" (aka > mechanical advantage) to the > >brake lever. This gives that cruiser feel to the > brakes. > > > >Way back when, my brother had an ATK (american dirt > bike) with Brembo > >brakes, and a huge lever effort compared to the KX, > CR, YZ, RM of the day. > >We swapped out the Brembo master cylinder with a > Nissin that had a smaller > >piston...instant one fingered braking. > > > >--jon > >2001 1200 Bandit > >s/s brake lines, HH pads, lotsa stop > > > you may be right. I also think that HD caters to > the "less than experienced" > crowd and may have designed the brakes to be a > little on the gentle side to > prevent the "instant bad-ass newbies" from going > over the handlebars or locking > up the front brake and high siding. Just a guess > but in warped way, makes > sense. > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 17:10:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKMArO7006599; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:10:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKMAqJP006593; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:10:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021120170456.00b67ea0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:10:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum In-Reply-To: <20021120215935.59259.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20021120164415.00b9fcf8@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:59 PM 11/20/2002, Chris Weaver wrote: >It's unlikely that anyone would be going over the >handlebars on any bike due to heavy braking unless >you're talking botched stoppies. I've never seen a >stoppie on a Harley, but of course that's not to say >it hasn't been done. Also, I believe a high-side due >to a front end slide would be impossible. Low-side, >sure. :^) > >Chris I was actually thinking not so much of a stoppie as the front tire locking up prematurely and sliding into the car/object in front of the bike. Sorry I didn't make that clear. Damn fingers.... 8-P As for high siding, the only difference between a high and a low side is the direction of the tire vs the weight of the bike when it locks up. If the rider locked the front tire and yanked the handlebars to the right or left too suddenly, they'll most definitely high side. I've seen it happen and it wasn't pretty. I think that's more likely to happen to a newbie who would, out of panic, be more likely to try and keep the bike upright at the same time locking up the brakes and making a sudden right or left turn. But then again I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 17:13:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKMDkO7006645; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:13:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKMDktX006639; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:13:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Elie Rosenblum Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:13:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Really dumb story and questions Message-ID: <20021120221344.GA15758@cosanostra.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i I guess the questions aren't dumb as much as the situation that caused them. I finally had my MSF class last weekend (which was really awesome even with the weather), so I got my license on Monday (finally). I put plates on my 83 GPz550 yesterday and drove it around a bit, to get used to it and get it inspected and such. When I got home, I pulled up into the driveway next to one of the cars, and left it parked on its sidestand. Woke up this morning when my fiance yelled upstairs 'Elie, your bike is leaking gas all over the driveway' on her way out to go to work. I went out, and sure enough, it was leaking all over the place; I'm pretty sure it wasn't gas though, it seemed to more closely resemble engine oil (though with a residual gas smell). I pulled it up onto the centerstand and the dripping ceased. To be on the safe(r) side, I let it sit there like that for several hours to let any possible vapors go away. 'round lunchtime I went out, checked for gas leaks (none that I can find after messing around with the fuel valve and lifting the tank off some to get a good look), checked the oil (looked full), and drove it around a bit. Parked it again on its sidestand, and it immediately started leaking all over the driveway again. Decided this is a bad thing, and pulled it up onto the centerstand, stopping the drips. To try to determine where the leaks are coming from, I pulled off the body panels and started checking things out. The air filter on the GPz is a slightly odd setup (at least to me); it's a two-stage filter with a normal dry box filter that feeds into the carbs, and a K&N style round wet filter that feeds into the dry one. I pulled the cover off the wet one and clean oil came out all over the place, which seemed odd; it's supposed to just have a light coating of 90-weight or so machine oil. I closed that back up and started tilting the bike over to the left, and before I got very far it started leaking again - seeming to pretty much be dripping from under the airbox. I can only assume my airbox is full of engine oil. So, I looked at the oil guage, and sure enough, it still reads full. I check the manuals I got with the bike in detail and it's not supposed to read all the way up - it's supposed to be halfway up the guage window. This says to me that when I bought the bike (and had the oil changed before it was brought to my house) it was overfilled by a lot. So, I grabbed a drain pan, grabbed a socket, drained the oil (more than the 3 qts or so it's supposed to have), and put in just the right amount of oil. Started it up on the stand, ran it for a bit (seemed fine), and shut it off. Now it's sitting in the driveway while I wait for the oil level to even out so I can top it off exactly. Now for the question. Actually, questions: 1) How the hell did the oil get up there? Is this almost certainly because of the oil overfill? Do bikes that old have some kind of PCV system that might have sucked it up into the airbox? I can't imagine it actually backup up through the intake. 2) Have I seriously hurt this bike? Have I blown engine seals / gaskets with this screwage? 3) Should I be trying to figure out a way to drain oil from the intake system? Would leaving it on the side-stand and letting it drip be good enough or do I need to tear down the intake (or will it slowly burn off)? Do I need to drain the carb bowls as well? 4) Is this thing safe to drive? Should I give up and bring it into Rhoads? -- Elie Rosenblum That is not dead which can eternal lie, http://www.cosanostra.net And with strange aeons even death may die. Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer - _The Necronomicon_ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 17:49:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKMngO7006881; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:49:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKMnfYd006873; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:49:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum From: Brian Roach To: Chris Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20021120215935.59259.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021120215935.59259.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 20 Nov 2002 17:49:34 -0500 Message-Id: <1037832574.20642.663.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 16:59, Chris Weaver wrote: > Also, I believe a high-side due > to a front end slide would be impossible. Low-side, > sure. :^) Erm... my head, shoulder, and hip are going to disagree with you on that one :) Lock up front end, bars turn slightly, tire regains traction, hellllllooooo sky. Turn 5, Summit Point. Luckily that's a slow corner... I got up and rode back to the pits. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 18:35:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAKNZIO7007185; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:35:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAKNZIIk007180; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:35:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a901c290ed$70f134e0$9d55f7a5@de3bw> Reply-To: "cplvfr" From: "cplvfr" To: References: Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Body/Paint shop for bike/cage Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:34:57 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I don't know if this is what you're referring to, but at the intersection by the gas station it used to be possible to make a left and go south on Cascades Pkwy. Because of many crashes there, the break in the median was filled in and curbed. The traffic that would turn there now turns right and does a U-turn at the light. But there is a no U-turn sign there and cops sit by the post office to ticket those who do U-turns. A few times I've seen two cops with three cars stopped. Maybe there have been some complaints and VDOT is now contemplating some more changes, like removing the no U-turn signs. Travis '01 SV650S '95 RC36 '91 GS500E '85 VF500F > ObMoto: I saw some VDOT folks parked around Rt 7 and Cascades Pkwy off on > the curbs. Looked like they were doing traffic studies at the > intersections. A couple of them had cop cars parked right next to them. > Any idea what they were doing (besides the obvious of counting cars)? > > Thanks, > > -dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 19:04:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAL04UO7008435; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:04:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAL04ThQ008425; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:04:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021121000426.53166.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:04:26 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: VF Cool Lights Gone To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, The lights I advertised last night are gone. JK __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 20 20:01:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAL11QO7009521; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:01:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAL11Qa1009513; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:01:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DDC319A.D94F833D@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:06:34 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elie Rosenblum CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Really dumb story and questions References: <20021120221344.GA15758@cosanostra.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I would think a gross overfill of oil could wind up in the airbox. My similer experiance involved a V-8 engine that blew out a chunk of the manifold where the exhaust crossover is. The exhaust pressurized the crankcase, forcing the oil up and out thru the PCV valve and into the air cleaner. Engine runs slower and slower and shortly after dawn we limp off the highway and stutter to a stop. What can be wrong? Remove air cleaner, it ws sopping wet and musta wieghed five pounds - oil. Yes, I believe an `83 bike would have the usual EPA emmisions stuff, like a PCV valve. Bill Elie Rosenblum wrote: > I guess the questions aren't dumb as much as the situation that caused > them. I finally had my MSF class last weekend (which was really awesome > even with the weather), so I got my license on Monday (finally). > > I put plates on my 83 GPz550 yesterday and drove it around a bit, to get > used to it and get it inspected and such. When I got home, I pulled up > into the driveway next to one of the cars, and left it parked on its > sidestand. > > Woke up this morning when my fiance yelled upstairs 'Elie, your bike is > leaking gas all over the driveway' on her way out to go to work. I went > out, and sure enough, it was leaking all over the place; I'm pretty sure > it wasn't gas though, it seemed to more closely resemble engine oil > (though with a residual gas smell). I pulled it up onto the centerstand > and the dripping ceased. To be on the safe(r) side, I let it sit there > like that for several hours to let any possible vapors go away. > > 'round lunchtime I went out, checked for gas leaks (none that I can find > after messing around with the fuel valve and lifting the tank off some > to get a good look), checked the oil (looked full), and drove it around > a bit. Parked it again on its sidestand, and it immediately started > leaking all over the driveway again. Decided this is a bad thing, and > pulled it up onto the centerstand, stopping the drips. > > To try to determine where the leaks are coming from, I pulled off the > body panels and started checking things out. The air filter on the GPz > is a slightly odd setup (at least to me); it's a two-stage filter with a > normal dry box filter that feeds into the carbs, and a K&N style round > wet filter that feeds into the dry one. I pulled the cover off the wet > one and clean oil came out all over the place, which seemed odd; it's > supposed to just have a light coating of 90-weight or so machine oil. I > closed that back up and started tilting the bike over to the left, and > before I got very far it started leaking again - seeming to pretty much > be dripping from under the airbox. I can only assume my airbox is full > of engine oil. > > So, I looked at the oil guage, and sure enough, it still reads full. I > check the manuals I got with the bike in detail and it's not supposed to > read all the way up - it's supposed to be halfway up the guage window. > This says to me that when I bought the bike (and had the oil changed > before it was brought to my house) it was overfilled by a lot. So, I > grabbed a drain pan, grabbed a socket, drained the oil (more than the 3 > qts or so it's supposed to have), and put in just the right amount of > oil. Started it up on the stand, ran it for a bit (seemed fine), and > shut it off. Now it's sitting in the driveway while I wait for the oil > level to even out so I can top it off exactly. > > Now for the question. Actually, questions: > 1) How the hell did the oil get up there? Is this almost certainly > because of the oil overfill? Do bikes that old have some kind of PCV > system that might have sucked it up into the airbox? I can't imagine it > actually backup up through the intake. > > 2) Have I seriously hurt this bike? Have I blown engine seals / gaskets > with this screwage? > > 3) Should I be trying to figure out a way to drain oil from the intake > system? Would leaving it on the side-stand and letting it drip be good > enough or do I need to tear down the intake (or will it slowly burn > off)? Do I need to drain the carb bowls as well? > > 4) Is this thing safe to drive? Should I give up and bring it into > Rhoads? > > -- > Elie Rosenblum That is not dead which can eternal lie, > http://www.cosanostra.net And with strange aeons even death may die. > Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer - _The Necronomicon_ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 21 06:28:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gALBSPO7012811; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:28:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gALBSNNd012801; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:28:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 05:28:19 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: ProHeat packs Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A box full of stuff from Aerostich arrived last night, including a couple of ProHeat heat packs. These things are (theoretically) pretty cool -- they're little rectangular plastic pouches full of a supersaturated solution. You click a little disc inside the solution, it starts an exothermic reaction, and Bob's yer uncle. You can recharge them by immersing them in boiling water. ... except mine don't seem to work. Either of them. Does anyone know if I'm supposed to boil them before using them? Fish. wasn't that cold this morning anyway From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 21 07:48:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gALCmhO7013157; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:48:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gALCmg9f013147; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:48:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:48:27 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler X-X-Sender: ph@XXXXXX To: Elie Rosenblum cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Really dumb story and questions In-Reply-To: <20021120221344.GA15758@cosanostra.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop-Detect: 1 Elie -- Not sure if this relates, but I have seen cases where a combination of a leaking fuel petcock (bad vacuum actuated type, or one left on) combined with an imperfect needle valve (fuel regulation in carburetor) allowed gasoline to flow from the tank, through the carb, down into the cylinder, and into the crankcase. You don't want to start an engine if the oil has been diluted with gas, of course. If the oil seems more full now than when you last checked, this is a red flag. -ph From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 21 07:53:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gALCrPO7013211; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:53:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gALCrP9H013204; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:53:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DDCD886.9BA1812F@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:58:46 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: ProHeat packs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > A box full of stuff from Aerostich arrived last night, including a couple > of ProHeat heat packs. These things are (theoretically) pretty cool -- > they're little rectangular plastic pouches full of a supersaturated > solution. You click a little disc inside the solution, it starts an > exothermic reaction, and Bob's yer uncle. You can recharge them by > immersing them in boiling water. > > ... except mine don't seem to work. Either of them. Does anyone know if > I'm supposed to boil them before using them? > > Fish. > wasn't that cold this morning anyway Have no idea why they didn't seem to work for you unless the heat produced wasn't noticable at room temp. Unlikely, since the ones I've had made HEAT. Camping & backpacking stores like REI sell them. For cold I've discovered proper undies work for me (those poly wicker types), and for really cold weather, my cage heater does the job. But the few times I've used heat packs they worked just fine - toasty fer sure. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 21 08:04:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gALD4pO7013305; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:04:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gALD4nLx013290; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:04:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <152.17bcb693.2b0e33e5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:04:37 EST Subject: Re: ProHeat packs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 I like, and carry "Hot Hands" (and feet when I can find em) all winter, they are paper pouches containing Iron powder and a catalyst. Take them out of their plastic bags exposing them to the air and they get warm and stay that way for hours. Damn nice if it gets a little colder then expected. Fit in my gloves, and other pockets. You can get them lots of places, I got my last batch at Wally world last weekend, in my bike now. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 21 08:13:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gALDDwO7013396; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:13:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gALDDwUU013389; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:13:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DDCDD5B.BFBC8A03@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:19:23 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Hartzler CC: Elie Rosenblum , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Really dumb story and questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Hartzler wrote: > Elie -- > > Not sure if this relates, but I have seen cases where a combination of a > leaking fuel petcock (bad vacuum actuated type, or one left on) combined > with an imperfect needle valve (fuel regulation in carburetor) allowed > gasoline to flow from the tank, through the carb, down into the cylinder, > and into the crankcase. Yes, I didn't think of that one. Been there, done that with a Z-28 with a small hole in the diaphragm fuel pump. Gas be flowing into crankcase. > You don't want to start an engine if the oil has been diluted with gas, of > course. If the oil seems more full now than when you last checked, this > is a red flag. That was my first clue, dang engine wouldn't start, that and gas smell on the dipstick ??? and when I drained the crankcase *oil* like more'n two gallons came out. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 21 08:14:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gALDENO7013429; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:14:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gALDEN9A013423; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:14:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <134.17e2a4a6.2b0e3619@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:14:01 EST Subject: Re: Really dumb story and questions To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 11/20/2002 5:14:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, fnord@XXXXXX writes: > 1) How the hell did the oil get up there? Is this almost certainly > because of the oil overfill? Do bikes that old have some kind of PCV > system that might have sucked it up into the airbox? I can't imagine it > actually backup up through the intake. This is what it sounds like to me. If you leave your fuel turned on (Or on prime) gas flow into the carbs and overflow into the intake tubes then into the cylinders, down past the rings and into the oil overfilling the oil. from there it can flow out of the overflow onto the ground. In addition the fuel flowing through the intake can get into the filter. Or go up through the PCV valve when running. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 21 09:40:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gALEeVO7013869; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:40:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gALEeVJt013859; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:40:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:40:19 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ProHeat packs MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <449E2419.1E0DB1C6.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dumb question but, did you click the little disk thingie more than once? All the ones I've seen like that require you to click the disk until you start to see the reaction. Just a thought. I try not to have too many as I'm reaching my thought limit for the year. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 11/21/2002 8:04:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, PenguinBiker writes: > > > I like, and carry "Hot Hands" (and feet when I can find em) all winter, they > are paper pouches containing Iron powder and a catalyst. Take them out of > their plastic bags exposing them to the air and they get warm and stay that > way for hours. Damn nice if it gets a little colder then expected. Fit in my > gloves, and other pockets. You can get them lots of places, > I got my last > batch at Wally world last weekend, in my bike now. > > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > Honda ST1100X Pan European > (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European > is now necessary {and I still like it.}) > BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 21 09:59:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gALExQO7013961; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:59:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gALExQeP013953; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:59:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:59:24 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: ProHeat packs In-Reply-To: <449E2419.1E0DB1C6.0C9D3659@aol.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Dumb question but, did you click the little disk thingie more than > once? All the ones I've seen like that require you to click the disk > until you start to see the reaction. I clicked the discs more than once. Not certain exactly how long -- a minute each, perhaps. It would have been shorter, except I was sleepy this morning, and kind of dozed off while standing up clickin' my disc... Fish. not like that, you perverted sickos From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 21 10:15:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gALFFHO7014109; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:15:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gALFFFr5014099; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:15:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021121151512.87121.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:15:12 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1037832574.20642.663.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Really? Wow, you learn something new every day. Well, Aki, my apologies. However, I guess I'm kinda glad I don't know a lot about wrecking motorcycles. :^) Chris --- Brian Roach wrote: > On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 16:59, Chris Weaver wrote: > > Also, I believe a high-side due > > to a front end slide would be impossible. > Low-side, > > sure. :^) > > Erm... my head, shoulder, and hip are going to > disagree with you on that one :) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus )B– Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 21 10:31:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gALFVmO7014203; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:31:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gALFVlKd014195; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:31:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021121102616.00b84368@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:31:42 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Brake Bleeding Conundrum In-Reply-To: <20021121151512.87121.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1037832574.20642.663.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gALFVkO7014183 At 10:15 AM 11/21/2002, Chris Weaver wrote: >Really? Wow, you learn something new every day. Well, >Aki, my apologies. However, I guess I'm kinda glad I >don't know a lot about wrecking motorcycles. :^) > >Chris nah..forget it. I wouldn't of believe it either except I saw it. Doing a high side is scary enough, but do it between two moving cars and it becomes a whole new experience. The person, (an older fellow with more macho than experience), had a Sportie, (notice I said *had*). Anyway, he was traveling way too close behind a car, the car slammed on it's brakes for no apparent reason and he grabbed all the front brake he could find and at the same time yanked it to the left. Rear started to slide and I thought he was going to low side but then the front end got traction and the bike stood upright and flipped over high siding it. The guy was thrown onto the trunk of the car and the car behind him pancaked a major portion of the bike between the two cars. He didn't get anything but a bruised ego and limbs. His bike however wasn't nearly as aerodynamic. He was very lucky. >--- Brian Roach wrote: > > On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 16:59, Chris Weaver wrote: > > > Also, I believe a high-side due > > > to a front end slide would be impossible. > > Low-side, > > > sure. :^) > > > > Erm... my head, shoulder, and hip are going to > > disagree with you on that one :) > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus )B­ Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 21 13:59:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gALIx2O7015508; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:59:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gALIwvru015496; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:58:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021121185855.67084.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:58:55 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: RE: Really dumb story and questions To: fnord@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Before you run out and buy new petcocks, see if filling the oil to the correct level doesn't fix it. A couple friends of mine have problems like this with their olde Brit bikes (one a Norton and the other a BSA). The earl leaks past the pump, filling the case, and they then see that the oil is low in the tank, and add lots more. It ends up puking out of the breather as soon as the engine starts running. In the olden days, crankcases vented to the atmosphere, but since some time in the 1970's, you can't do that. I believe most bikes close the loop by sending the vent into the airbox. If you have the correct amount of oil in the bike, you'll only see a little oil mist in there. If you have a gallon too much oil in the cases, it'll be trying to find a way out. Good luck, and remember to look where you want to go. :) Rich - back into lurk mode... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus )B– Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 21 15:00:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gALK0IO7015961; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:00:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gALK0HXg015951; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:00:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001501c29198$98a51f50$250310ac@ddlomni.com> From: "Jon Strang" To: "Elie Rosenblum" , References: <20021120221344.GA15758@cosanostra.net> Subject: Re: Really dumb story and questions Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:00:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2002 20:00:08.0621 (UTC) FILETIME=[97B715D0:01C29198] My guess is that the crankcase or top-end (above the camshafts) vent is filling your airbox with oil. To capture the oil fumes, the vent hose(s) is(are) routed to the airbox; they are harmlessly sucked into the carbs. If you are over-full on oil, then I could see some excess getting into the airbox no problem. Most airboxes of your vintage have a drain hose connected to the bottom of the airbox, and the hose has a plug at the end...on a "normal" bike (i.e. all levels fine, motor healthy), you can drain a bit oil gunk out of there every 1000 miles or so. I'll bet yours is full. You're probably ok, I mean, as ok as a 20 year old bike can be, anyway. A question that needs asking, though, is how did it get overfilled? Do you have a bad vacuum-petcock (or are old enough that your petcock is just a plain old valve), and a bad float needle-valve in a carb or two...and are filling the crankcase with gasoline? --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elie Rosenblum" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 5:13 PM Subject: Really dumb story and questions > I guess the questions aren't dumb as much as the situation that caused > them. I finally had my MSF class last weekend (which was really awesome > even with the weather), so I got my license on Monday (finally). > > I put plates on my 83 GPz550 yesterday and drove it around a bit, to get > used to it and get it inspected and such. When I got home, I pulled up > into the driveway next to one of the cars, and left it parked on its > sidestand. > > Woke up this morning when my fiance yelled upstairs 'Elie, your bike is > leaking gas all over the driveway' on her way out to go to work. I went > out, and sure enough, it was leaking all over the place; I'm pretty sure > it wasn't gas though, it seemed to more closely resemble engine oil > (though with a residual gas smell). I pulled it up onto the centerstand > and the dripping ceased. To be on the safe(r) side, I let it sit there > like that for several hours to let any possible vapors go away. > > 'round lunchtime I went out, checked for gas leaks (none that I can find > after messing around with the fuel valve and lifting the tank off some > to get a good look), checked the oil (looked full), and drove it around > a bit. Parked it again on its sidestand, and it immediately started > leaking all over the driveway again. Decided this is a bad thing, and > pulled it up onto the centerstand, stopping the drips. > > To try to determine where the leaks are coming from, I pulled off the > body panels and started checking things out. The air filter on the GPz > is a slightly odd setup (at least to me); it's a two-stage filter with a > normal dry box filter that feeds into the carbs, and a K&N style round > wet filter that feeds into the dry one. I pulled the cover off the wet > one and clean oil came out all over the place, which seemed odd; it's > supposed to just have a light coating of 90-weight or so machine oil. I > closed that back up and started tilting the bike over to the left, and > before I got very far it started leaking again - seeming to pretty much > be dripping from under the airbox. I can only assume my airbox is full > of engine oil. > > So, I looked at the oil guage, and sure enough, it still reads full. I > check the manuals I got with the bike in detail and it's not supposed to > read all the way up - it's supposed to be halfway up the guage window. > This says to me that when I bought the bike (and had the oil changed > before it was brought to my house) it was overfilled by a lot. So, I > grabbed a drain pan, grabbed a socket, drained the oil (more than the 3 > qts or so it's supposed to have), and put in just the right amount of > oil. Started it up on the stand, ran it for a bit (seemed fine), and > shut it off. Now it's sitting in the driveway while I wait for the oil > level to even out so I can top it off exactly. > > Now for the question. Actually, questions: > 1) How the hell did the oil get up there? Is this almost certainly > because of the oil overfill? Do bikes that old have some kind of PCV > system that might have sucked it up into the airbox? I can't imagine it > actually backup up through the intake. > > 2) Have I seriously hurt this bike? Have I blown engine seals / gaskets > with this screwage? > > 3) Should I be trying to figure out a way to drain oil from the intake > system? Would leaving it on the side-stand and letting it drip be good > enough or do I need to tear down the intake (or will it slowly burn > off)? Do I need to drain the carb bowls as well? > > 4) Is this thing safe to drive? Should I give up and bring it into > Rhoads? > > -- > Elie Rosenblum That is not dead which can eternal lie, > http://www.cosanostra.net And with strange aeons even death may die. > Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer - _The Necronomicon_ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 21 15:57:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gALKvnO7016348; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:57:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gALKvnLM016340; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:57:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:57:21 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ProHeat packs MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <69B72E1C.3D79A70D.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OK. Next dumb question. Is the liquid clear or is it a milky white color? If it's clear, I'd say it's defective. If it's milky white, it could have been activated during shipping and therefore require boiling to "reset" it. Now, go play with your disk some more and let us know what happens. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 11/21/2002 9:59:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Dumb question but, did you click the little disk thingie more than > > once? All the ones I've seen like that require you to click the disk > > until you start to see the reaction. > > I clicked the discs more than once. Not certain exactly how long -- a > minute each, perhaps. It would have been shorter, except I was sleepy this > morning, and kind of dozed off while standing up clickin' > my disc... > > Fish. > not like that, you perverted sickos From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 21 16:00:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gALL0SO7016407; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:00:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gALL0R9m016397; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:00:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Ktmh53@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1aa.c59f0e9.2b0ea356@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:00:06 EST Subject: aerostich wanted/for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10635 I have a aerostich roadcrafter 2 pc I have grown out of. would like Darien jacket Mine 40 Long jacket- red w/blk ballistics pants- black w/ red ballistics want Darien jacket- large (any color but prefer blue, black) Thanks Kurt Thomas patuxent river, MD KLR 650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 21 18:21:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gALNL2O7017812; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:21:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gALNL0O4017800; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:21:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:18:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Next ride?? From: Bob McKeithen To: Paul Wilson CC: DC Cycles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <013301c29046$241e4830$842d2c42@D7XFG711> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 11/19/02 10:37 PM, Paul Wilson at pawilson@XXXXXX wrote: > Bob >> >> Through the magic of creative scheduling I promise no rain. The food will be fabulous--one of the best restaurants within 100 miles--interesting and little known sites--y'all come Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Nov 21 21:21:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAM2LVO7019943; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:21:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAM2LU2u019933; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:21:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005001c291cd$d2ccde40$02282c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Bob McKeithen" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Next ride?? Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:21:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Bring it on Bob! Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob McKeithen" > on 11/19/02 10:37 PM, Paul Wilson at pawilson@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Bob > >> > >> > > Through the magic of creative scheduling I promise no rain. The food will be > fabulous--one of the best restaurants within 100 miles--interesting and > little known sites--y'all come > > Bob > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 00:09:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAM59PO7020801; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:09:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAM59PYh020791; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:09:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021122000503.009ea180@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:08:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Next ride?? In-Reply-To: <200211220000.gAM001dC018103@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:00 PM 11/21/02, Bob McKeithen wrote: >Through the magic of creative scheduling I promise no rain. The food will be >fabulous--one of the best restaurants within 100 miles--interesting and >little known sites--y'all come Let's see, IMNSHO that would be: 1. Inn at Little Washington 2. Charleston 3. Galileo 4. Citronelle ... etc. and we can get in there wearing riding duds? Wow! I'm in! 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 10:28:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMFSEO7024057; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:28:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMFSDVV024047; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:28:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <017901c2923b$f1f22820$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021122000503.009ea180@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: Next ride?? Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:28:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Given that I've only heard of one of those places (I@LW and you can easily drop a grand there in one night for dining + accommodations) your expectations are quite upscale. :) Seriously, I'm up for brunching anywhere in the region. Hash houses and greasy spoons are more my speed though. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: > At 07:00 PM 11/21/02, Bob McKeithen wrote: > > >Through the magic of creative scheduling I promise no rain. The food will be > >fabulous--one of the best restaurants within 100 miles--interesting and > >little known sites--y'all come > > Let's see, IMNSHO that would be: > > 1. Inn at Little Washington .... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 10:37:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMFbeO7024132; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:37:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMFbd1U024122; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:37:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20021122103706.00b98bf0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:37:31 -0500 To: "Paul Wilson" , , From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Next ride?? In-Reply-To: <017901c2923b$f1f22820$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021122000503.009ea180@mail.9netave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:28 AM 11/22/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: >Given that I've only heard of one of those places (I@LW and you can easily >drop a grand there in one night for dining + accommodations) your >expectations are quite upscale. :) > >Seriously, I'm up for brunching anywhere in the region. Hash houses and >greasy spoons are more my speed though. Bob Evans! Or, now that pumpkin pancakes are back on their fall menu, IHOP! mmmm... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 12:02:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMH2WO7024620; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:02:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMH2VXf024610; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:02:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:02:28 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Next ride?? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021122000503.009ea180@mail.9netave.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > At 07:00 PM 11/21/02, Bob McKeithen wrote: > > > The food will be fabulous--one of the best restaurants within 100 > > miles ... > > Let's see, IMNSHO that would be: > > 1. Inn at Little Washington > 2. Charleston > 3. Galileo > 4. Citronelle > ... etc. > > and we can get in there wearing riding duds? Wow! I'm in! 8;) Hee! I might even be willing to jury-rig my finances to _afford_ a dinner at one of those places, if they'd let me eat in riding gear! (FWIW, my one meal at the Inn was wearing black jeans and a nice [black] button-down. The waiters didn't sneer even once. The other diners were another matter.) Hey Bob, how far is it from DC to your place? The ride sounds like a blast, but if it's SS1000 territory I don't know if I'm really up to it yet... (Then again, working a group ride into a SS might be fun.) Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 12:32:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMHWIO7024830; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:32:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMHWHIB024820; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:32:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02de01c2924d$4685b4e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: Next ride?? Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:31:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 SaddleSore, did someone say SaddleSore? I'm looking to do another one soon, or maybe graduate to a BunBurner or BBGold. There's always the MD2020 next spring. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" > > Hey Bob, how far is it from DC to your place? The ride sounds like a > blast, but if it's SS1000 territory I don't know if I'm really up to it > yet... > > (Then again, working a group ride into a SS might be fun.) > > Fish. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 13:04:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMI4vO7025043; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:04:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMI4uHa025033; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:04:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021122180448.94024.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:04:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Next ride?? To: llarson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021122000503.009ea180@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > At 07:00 PM 11/21/02, Bob McKeithen > wrote: > > >Through the magic of creative scheduling I promise no > rain. The food will be > >fabulous--one of the best restaurants within 100 > miles--interesting and > >little known sites--y'all come > > Let's see, IMNSHO that would be: > > 1. Inn at Little Washington > 2. Charleston > 3. Galileo > 4. Citronelle > ... etc. > > and we can get in there wearing riding duds? Wow! I'm in! > 8;) i'm in too if they allow shorts, bobby socks and balls -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus )B– Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 13:35:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMIZvO7025250; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:35:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMIZvRY025240; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:35:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Defective Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:35:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211221335415Q.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit As I mentioned earlier this week, I dropped my bike off for the 5k service; more because of a head gasket leak than the need for the dealer to change my oil. But it's been almost a week so I just called them to get a status. Turns out that after they got done, they were checking it out (QC'ing it) and heard an out of the ordinary noise coming from the left side. After some checking a defective bolt was found. They pulled apart the left side and pulled the bolt. They're waiting on a spacer and expect the bike to be back to me next week. East Coast Harley in Dumfries is doing the work as they're the closest to me. Carl - Bikeless and attitude dropping. -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 13:44:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMIioO7025321; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:44:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMIio2u025310; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:44:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DDE7C63.68D0E30A@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:50:11 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Defective References: <0211221335415Q.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > As I mentioned earlier this week, I dropped my bike off for the 5k service; > more because of a head gasket leak than the need for the dealer to change my > oil. > > But it's been almost a week so I just called them to get a status. > > Turns out that after they got done, they were checking it out (QC'ing it) and > heard an out of the ordinary noise coming from the left side. After some > checking a defective bolt was found. They pulled apart the left side and > pulled the bolt. > > They're waiting on a spacer and expect the bike to be back to me next week. > > East Coast Harley in Dumfries is doing the work as they're the closest to me. > > Carl - Bikeless and attitude dropping. > -- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address Probably the Dreaded Defective Cam Bolt. My EVO had the Dreaded Crap Cam Bearing, which grenaded at 17K, prompting a complete engine tear down to clean out the bits and pieces, and required a new oil pump (sucked aforementioned bits and pieces thru it), new cam & *quality*bearing, and a buncha other parts. The twim cammers haven't escaped the cam jinx, their's related to a bolt (?). Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 13:53:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMIr6O7025395; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:53:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMIr6lV025385; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:53:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Defective Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:52:59 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <0211221335415Q.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3DDE7C63.68D0E30A@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3DDE7C63.68D0E30A@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211221352595R.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 22 November 2002 13:50, William J. Huson wrote: > > Probably the Dreaded Defective Cam Bolt. My EVO had the Dreaded Crap Cam > Bearing, which grenaded at 17K, prompting a complete engine tear down to > clean out the bits and pieces, and required a new oil pump (sucked > aforementioned bits and pieces thru it), new cam & *quality*bearing, and a > buncha other parts. > Could be. The way Rick said it was they they heard the noise, checked the engine manufacturer, based on the history decided it was a defective bolt, and are replacing it. He did say I was getting a new stator if that helps. > The twim cammers haven't escaped the cam jinx, their's related to a bolt > (?). > Better now than a rebuild later, I always say. > Bill Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 14:14:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMJEYO7025570; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:14:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMJEVV0025560; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:14:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021122191422.75854.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:14:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tight Squeeze Racing Subject: I fought the law and the law... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, MARRC List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOST! Last month, while riding my Suzuki DRZ400, I was pulled over on the Dulles Toll Road after zipping through the SmartTag lane(a lane dedicated for transponder users only) in the Rt 28 North toll booth. Typically, cops stand there and bust people for State Inspection and/or county tax stickers. A fine waste of taxpayer money. For those of you that aren't familiar this tollroad charges $.50, $.35, or $.25 (depending on the the booth) to ANY two axled vehicle, increasing $.25 for each axle. I feel this is a grave injustice to motorcyclists, so I don't pay them. I've been doing it for 5 years, and NO they don't send a picture to your house. They're legalling allowed to, but they don't have the resources to do it, yet. --- Today was my day in court, and with a few tricks, I got a 'Not Guilty' verdict. The items I used to prove my innocence were: 1. I took pictures of the Big white signs that say, "EXACT CHANGE $.50 CARS ONLY" 2. I took pictures of my pickup truck and my motorcycle. 3. I took my SmartTag that I use in the truck. For my presentation to the judge, I handed the cop the picture of the bike and verified that it was the bike that I was riding at the time. Of course, he couldn't remember. Then had the baliff give it to the judge. Next, I gave the judge a picture of my Pickup, and showed her my SmartTag transponder.(If you don't have one, just borrow one, they won't check.) I then launched into a diatribe complaint about the fact that my pickup has a GVWR of 6400#, and my motorcycle only 740#, and that there's no way that I should have to pay the same amount on the bike, as when I'm in my truck... less wear and tear on the roads, HOV, congestion, etc... During the arrest, the cop yelled at me that I didnt' pay the toll. "But motorcycles don't have to pay?!" I retorted. "EVERYONE MUST PAY!", the evil troll growled, and he stormed off to his car to write the ticket. Back in court, I then handed the picture of the three signs to the cop, and stated that I was under the impression that motorcycles would not have to pay, and recalled our roadside "Conversation" to the judge. The baliff passed the photos to the judge, and I saw her demeaner change. At first, she was ready to slap me with some huge fine and points(and maybe contempt), but now she was rubbing her forehead in disbelief. She asked what my interpretation of the signs were, as to whether this meant that "only cars" could use the Exact Change lanes, or if it meant that non-cars weren't responsible for the cost. I shrugged my shoulder and said,"Both?" and again started the rant about the truck weight vs bike weight. She quickly defused me, and turned her attention to the cop. (Game!) (To really appreciate my mood at this point, imagine an egomaniac Hank Hill with a fat belly hanging over his cop belt, and a fat turkey neck sticking out of his starched collar.) She inquired to him about the signs around the particular tollbooth, and tried to establish if there are any instructional signs giving motorists information about who should pay, and what the rates would be. They both came up with the fact that the signs say $.35 per AXLE, and the cop really screwed up and said, "...but those signs are for trucks!" (Set!) She then asked if there were any other signs, and the cop stammered and muttered while shuffling some papers and then stated that he didn't know. (MATCH!) So, based on that, the judge stated that there was not evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that she could rule that I should have to pay the tolls when riding on my motorcycle. Steve Clark TightSqueezeRacing.org '01 Suz DRZ400s '99/'00/'01 Suz SV650 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus )B– Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 14:29:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMJT7O7025758; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:29:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMJT7e9025750; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:29:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DDE86C6.4C1FBF84@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:34:30 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Defective References: <0211221335415Q.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3DDE7C63.68D0E30A@patriot.net> <0211221352595R.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > Could be. The way Rick said it was they they heard the noise, checked the > engine manufacturer, based on the history decided it was a defective bolt, > and are replacing it. > > He did say I was getting a new stator if that helps. YIP! Dyslexic me strikes again - "left" side. Duh. Cam's on the right, stator on left, and a bad bolt could easily cause stator runout and ensuing damage. Bill NO! The other left! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 14:31:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMJVhO7026055; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:31:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMJVhdA026047; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:31:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021122193140.75312.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:31:40 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: I fought the law and the law... To: Tight Squeeze Racing , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, MARRC List In-Reply-To: <20021122191422.75854.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Excellent story, thanks for sharing! Glenn --- Tight Squeeze Racing wrote: > LOST! > > Last month, while riding my Suzuki DRZ400, I was > pulled over on the > Dulles Toll Road after zipping through the SmartTag __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus )B– Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 14:32:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMJWqO7026088; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:32:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMJWqg8026083; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:32:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200211221932.PYJ16808@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:32:40 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: I fought the law and the law... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gAMJWpO7026071 Steve Trumpeted his victory: Good on you, Steve ! Congratulations. > >LOST! > >Last month, while riding my Suzuki DRZ400, I was pulled over on the >Dulles Toll Road after zipping through the SmartTag lane(a lane >dedicated for transponder users only) in the Rt 28 North toll booth. >Typically, cops stand there and bust people for State Inspection and/or >county tax stickers. A fine waste of taxpayer money. > >For those of you that aren't familiar this tollroad charges $.50, $.35, >or $.25 (depending on the the booth) to ANY two axled vehicle, >increasing $.25 for each axle. I feel this is a grave injustice to >motorcyclists, so I don't pay them. I've been doing it for 5 years, >and NO they don't send a picture to your house. They're legalling >allowed to, but they don't have the resources to do it, yet. > >--- > >Today was my day in court, and with a few tricks, I got a 'Not Guilty' >verdict. >The items I used to prove my innocence were: > >1. I took pictures of the Big white signs that say, "EXACT CHANGE $.50 >CARS ONLY" > >2. I took pictures of my pickup truck and my motorcycle. > >3. I took my SmartTag that I use in the truck. > >For my presentation to the judge, I handed the cop the picture of the >bike and verified that it was the bike that I was riding at the time. >Of course, he couldn't remember. Then had the baliff give it to the >judge. > >Next, I gave the judge a picture of my Pickup, and showed her my >SmartTag transponder.(If you don't have one, just borrow one, they >won't check.) I then launched into a diatribe complaint about the fact >that my pickup has a GVWR of 6400#, and my motorcycle only 740#, and >that there's no way that I should have to pay the same amount on the >bike, as when I'm in my truck... less wear and tear on the roads, HOV, >congestion, etc... > >During the arrest, the cop yelled at me that I didnt' pay the toll. >"But motorcycles don't have to pay?!" I retorted. >"EVERYONE MUST PAY!", the evil troll growled, and he stormed off to his >car to write the ticket. > >Back in court, I then handed the picture of the three signs to the cop, >and stated that I was under the impression that motorcycles would not >have to pay, and recalled our roadside "Conversation" to the judge. >The baliff passed the photos to the judge, and I saw her demeaner >change. At first, she was ready to slap me with some huge fine and >points(and maybe contempt), but now she was rubbing her forehead in >disbelief. >She asked what my interpretation of the signs were, as to whether this >meant that "only cars" could use the Exact Change lanes, or if it meant >that non-cars weren't responsible for the cost. I shrugged my shoulder >and said,"Both?" and again started the rant about the truck weight vs >bike weight. She quickly defused me, and turned her attention to the >cop. >(Game!) > >(To really appreciate my mood at this point, imagine an egomaniac Hank >Hill with a fat belly hanging over his cop belt, and a fat turkey neck >sticking out of his starched collar.) > >She inquired to him about the signs around the particular tollbooth, >and tried to establish if there are any instructional signs giving >motorists information about who should pay, and what the rates would >be. They both came up with the fact that the signs say $.35 per AXLE, >and the cop really screwed up and said, "...but those signs are for >trucks!" >(Set!) > >She then asked if there were any other signs, and the cop stammered and >muttered while shuffling some papers and then stated that he didn't >know. >(MATCH!) > >So, based on that, the judge stated that there was not evidence beyond >a reasonable doubt that she could rule that I should have to pay the >tolls when riding on my motorcycle. > >Steve Clark >TightSqueezeRacing.org >'01 Suz DRZ400s >'99/'00/'01 Suz SV650 > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus )B– Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 14:52:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMJqGO7026236; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:52:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMJqGSg026226; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:52:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:52:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I fought the law and the law... In-Reply-To: <200211221932.PYJ16808@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Dave Yates wrote: > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:32:40 -0500 > From: Dave Yates > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: I fought the law and the law... > > Steve Trumpeted his victory: > > > Good on you, Steve ! Congratulations. > > Always good to see people win in court! I'm all for bikes not having to pay tolls -- IMHO it would increase safety for riders, encourage motorcycle useage, and be a much more "fair" system -- esp if they added fees to the bigger SUV types of vehicles, although that would be tough to administer. Course now -- who wants to bet that they will now spend a bunch of $$'s putting up new signs and or specifically start targeting motorcycles now ;-) > > > >LOST! > > > >Last month, while riding my Suzuki DRZ400, I was pulled over > on the > >Dulles Toll Road after zipping through the SmartTag lane(a > lane > >dedicated for transponder users only) in the Rt 28 North > toll booth. > >Typically, cops stand there and bust people for State > Inspection and/or > >county tax stickers. A fine waste of taxpayer money. > > > >For those of you that aren't familiar this tollroad charges > $.50, $.35, > >or $.25 (depending on the the booth) to ANY two axled > vehicle, > >increasing $.25 for each axle. I feel this is a grave > injustice to > >motorcyclists, so I don't pay them. I've been doing it for > 5 years, > >and NO they don't send a picture to your house. They're > legalling > >allowed to, but they don't have the resources to do it, yet. > > > >--- > > > >Today was my day in court, and with a few tricks, I got > a 'Not Guilty' > >verdict. > >The items I used to prove my innocence were: > > > >1. I took pictures of the Big white signs that say, "EXACT > CHANGE $.50 > >CARS ONLY" > > > >2. I took pictures of my pickup truck and my motorcycle. > > > >3. I took my SmartTag that I use in the truck. > > > >For my presentation to the judge, I handed the cop the > picture of the > >bike and verified that it was the bike that I was riding at > the time. > >Of course, he couldn't remember. Then had the baliff give > it to the > >judge. > > > >Next, I gave the judge a picture of my Pickup, and showed > her my > >SmartTag transponder.(If you don't have one, just borrow > one, they > >won't check.) I then launched into a diatribe complaint > about the fact > >that my pickup has a GVWR of 6400#, and my motorcycle only > 740#, and > >that there's no way that I should have to pay the same > amount on the > >bike, as when I'm in my truck... less wear and tear on the > roads, HOV, > >congestion, etc... > > > >During the arrest, the cop yelled at me that I didnt' pay > the toll. > >"But motorcycles don't have to pay?!" I retorted. > >"EVERYONE MUST PAY!", the evil troll growled, and he stormed > off to his > >car to write the ticket. > > > >Back in court, I then handed the picture of the three signs > to the cop, > >and stated that I was under the impression that motorcycles > would not > >have to pay, and recalled our roadside "Conversation" to > the judge. > >The baliff passed the photos to the judge, and I saw her > demeaner > >change. At first, she was ready to slap me with some huge > fine and > >points(and maybe contempt), but now she was rubbing her > forehead in > >disbelief. > >She asked what my interpretation of the signs were, as to > whether this > >meant that "only cars" could use the Exact Change lanes, or > if it meant > >that non-cars weren't responsible for the cost. I shrugged > my shoulder > >and said,"Both?" and again started the rant about the truck > weight vs > >bike weight. She quickly defused me, and turned her > attention to the > >cop. > >(Game!) > > > >(To really appreciate my mood at this point, imagine an > egomaniac Hank > >Hill with a fat belly hanging over his cop belt, and a fat > turkey neck > >sticking out of his starched collar.) > > > >She inquired to him about the signs around the particular > tollbooth, > >and tried to establish if there are any instructional signs > giving > >motorists information about who should pay, and what the > rates would > >be. They both came up with the fact that the signs say $.35 > per AXLE, > >and the cop really screwed up and said, "...but those signs > are for > >trucks!" > >(Set!) > > > >She then asked if there were any other signs, and the cop > stammered and > >muttered while shuffling some papers and then stated that he > didn't > >know. > >(MATCH!) > > > >So, based on that, the judge stated that there was not > evidence beyond > >a reasonable doubt that she could rule that I should have to > pay the > >tolls when riding on my motorcycle. > > > >Steve Clark > >TightSqueezeRacing.org > >'01 Suz DRZ400s > >'99/'00/'01 Suz SV650 > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail Plus )B– Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > Dave Yates > > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 14:57:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMJvgO7026288; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:57:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMJvgmL026279; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:57:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003b01c29261$959a5e00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Tight Squeeze Racing" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20021122191422.75854.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: I fought the law and the law... Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:58:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Congratulations. Yeah, maybe they'll decide it's too much trouble to put up signs for bikes and they'll let us ride free unofficially. :) Do I sense a civil disobedience campaign in the making here? Remember, this is the same VDOT that says the SmartTag is not designed for MC use. How come states up and down the East Coast use the exact same system (E-ZPass, which the solons at VDOT refuse to join, BTW) and issue bike transponders? So, they will bust you for zooming through the SmartTag lanes, but, the critters that run SmartTag tell us their system is not designed for bikes. That means... 1) You can't use the SmartTag lanes because SmartTag is officially deemed unusable by bikes (I have two bikes that say otherwise, but never mind.) 2) You can't use the exact change lanes and pay the car rate because it says "Cars Only" 3) The cop says the "per axle" charge applies to vehicles with more than two axles. That leads me to the conclusion that the Tollway folks have no established toll for bikes. In the absence of an established toll, that means we ride free. How's my reasoning?? Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tight Squeeze Racing" Subject: I fought the law and the law... > LOST! > > Last month, while riding my Suzuki DRZ400, I was pulled over on the > Dulles Toll Road after zipping through the SmartTag lane(a lane > dedicated for transponder users only) in the Rt 28 North toll booth. .... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 15:54:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMKsxO7026612; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:54:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMKswqL026605; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:54:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Ktmh53@XXXXXX Message-ID: <68.290ffede.2b0ff36b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:54:03 EST Subject: STUFF FOR SALE To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10635 Since the sale of my CBR1000 and the purchase of my KLR650 I am selling these items. Please disseminate to the largest extent possible. http://members.tripod.com/the_thomas/ Kurt Thomas NAS PATUXENT RIVER, MD KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 16:00:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAML0bO7026696; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:00:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAML0b6b026686; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:00:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:00:35 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Next ride?? Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Bob McKeithen wrote: > So, when you folks are ready let me know and I will put together a > little ride and brunch deal out here in Wild and Wonderful. Sounds good to me. Just tell me when and where! I gotta get out of this commuting rut. I ran into a traffic jam on the way home last night and took some back roads to avoid it... damn, that's fun! Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 16:09:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAML9JO7026777; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:09:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAML9IJT026767; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:09:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Ktmh53@XXXXXX Message-ID: <30.316fd8cd.2b0ff6f2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:09:06 EST Subject: Darien wanted To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dsn_klr650@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10635 looking for an aerostich Darien Anyone? Kurt Thomas From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 16:33:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMLXQO7026951; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:33:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMLXPcd026941; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:33:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021122163104.009f6c80@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:32:08 -0500 To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Next ride?? In-Reply-To: <20021122180448.94024.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021122000503.009ea180@mail.9netave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:04 PM 11/22/02, Tom Gimer wrote: >i'm in too if they allow shorts, bobby socks and balls Might be a pretty sparse crowd if they *don't* allow balls. Or maybe I'm assuming too much again... -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 16:47:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMLllO7027071; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:47:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMLlkdl027061; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:47:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <15f.1782c61e.2b0ffff4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:47:32 EST Subject: Re: I fought the law and the law... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Now _that_ was a fun read! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 16:50:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMLo5O7027123; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:50:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMLo5Sq027117; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:50:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01e101c29271$461d99e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Daniel H. Brown" , "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: I fought the law and the law... Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:50:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 How about scales that measure on the fly. Pay by the pound. One of my MC registrations in DC says GVW = zero. I guess DMV's cornputers can't count that low, or else the counter drone just skipped that field. Of course sometimes when you go through some of the SmartTag lanes the loops won't register a vehicle since they are seemingly designed for cages. It is my fault the durn thing doesn't pick up my bike? I've got the transponder mounted, so they can't accuse me of toll evasion. Pay back time for sitting at red lights, I say. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel H. Brown" > > Always good to see people win in court! I'm all for bikes not having to > pay tolls -- IMHO it would increase safety for riders, encourage motorcycle > useage, and be a much more "fair" system -- esp if they added fees to the > bigger SUV types of vehicles, although that would be tough to administer. > > Course now -- who wants to bet that they will now spend a bunch of $$'s > putting up new signs and or specifically start targeting motorcycles now > ;-) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 17:18:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMMIpO7027279; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:18:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMMIowO027272; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:18:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021122221842.90420.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:18:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Next ride?? To: llarson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021122163104.009f6c80@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii if it's 35 degrees out and they don't allow balls, my bet is there would be approximately zero attendees. --- llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > At 01:04 PM 11/22/02, Tom Gimer wrote: > > >i'm in too if they allow shorts, bobby socks and balls > > Might be a pretty sparse crowd if they *don't* allow > balls. Or maybe I'm > assuming too much again... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus )B– Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 17:25:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAMMPNO7027342; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:25:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAMMPNal027331; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:25:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:25:43 -0500 Subject: Re: I fought the law and the law... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX To: Tight Squeeze Racing From: Dave Cross In-Reply-To: <20021122191422.75854.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <56A53C62-FE69-11D6-B5E6-000502563717@davecross.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 02:14 PM, Tight Squeeze Racing wrote: > LOST! > Sweet!! That's vintage Steve Clark stuff there as only he could do. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 19:34:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAN0YGO7029524; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:34:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAN0YFTO029514; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:34:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DDECE44.30FC1E0E@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:39:32 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles list Subject: Re: I fought the law and the law... References: <01e101c29271$461d99e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > How about scales that measure on the fly. Pay by the pound. One of my MC > registrations in DC says GVW = zero. I guess DMV's cornputers can't count > that low, or else the counter drone just skipped that field. Wanna have fun? Try titling a bike that has no speedometer. The Virginia DMV drones had me waiting for nigh an hour while they scratched their heads, looked up regs, and of course returned to ask me at least six times why I couldn't provide a total milage, as per some fed reg. Because it dosn't have a F*****G speedo - GET IT! Sheesh, what a PITA. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 19:36:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAN0aRO7029580; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:36:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAN0aQiG029565; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:36:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DDECECC.69391036@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:41:48 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: llarson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Next ride?? References: <20021122221842.90420.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > if it's 35 degrees out and they don't allow balls, my bet > is there would be approximately zero attendees. If it's 35 degrees out, they'd have trouble finding those balls. Like 35 on a bike, squat to pee time. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 20:29:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAN1TpO7029833; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:29:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAN1TSE9029823; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:29:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <173.11c7f739.2b10333f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:26:23 EST Subject: Re: Next ride?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 11/22/2002 4:37:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, llarson@XXXXXX writes: > >i'm in too if they allow shorts, bobby socks and balls > > Might be a pretty sparse crowd if they *don't* allow balls. Or maybe I'm > assuming too much again... Thanks for being first... I just want to know how short those shorts are? Or perhaps I dont. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 20:43:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAN1hEO7029915; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:43:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAN1h3GK029907; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:43:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <133.17fa1323.2b103436@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:30:30 EST Subject: Re: Next ride?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 11/22/2002 5:19:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > if it's 35 degrees out and they don't allow balls, my bet > is there would be approximately zero attendees. At 35 degrees they are easy to hide. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 20:52:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAN1qSO7029983; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:52:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAN1qSbq029973; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:52:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:49:34 -0500 Subject: Distance from DC metro area From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Fish and others, I'm bout 70 miles from downtown DC Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 21:53:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAN2reO7030303; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:53:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAN2rdqX030293; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:53:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021122214343.009f0030@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:52:42 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I fought the law and the law... In-Reply-To: <200211230000.gAN001Nd027914@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:00 PM 11/22/02, Tight Squeeze Racing wrote: >....For those of you that aren't familiar this tollroad charges $.50, $.35, >or $.25 (depending on the the booth) to ANY two axled vehicle, >increasing $.25 for each axle. I feel this is a grave injustice to >motorcyclists, so I don't pay them. I've been doing it for 5 years, >and NO they don't send a picture to your house. They're legalling >allowed to, but they don't have the resources to do it, yet. > >--- > >Today was my day in court, and with a few tricks, I got a 'Not Guilty' >verdict.... > >During the arrest, the cop yelled at me that I didnt' pay the toll. >"But motorcycles don't have to pay?!" I retorted. >"EVERYONE MUST PAY!", the evil troll growled, and he stormed off to his >car to write the ticket. > >Back in court, I then handed the picture of the three signs to the cop, >and stated that I was under the impression that motorcycles would not >have to pay, and recalled our roadside "Conversation" to the judge. >The baliff passed the photos to the judge, and I saw her demeaner >change. At first, she was ready to slap me with some huge fine and >points(and maybe contempt), but now she was rubbing her forehead in >disbelief. >She asked what my interpretation of the signs were, as to whether this >meant that "only cars" could use the Exact Change lanes, or if it meant >that non-cars weren't responsible for the cost. I shrugged my shoulder >and said,"Both?" and again started the rant about the truck weight vs >bike weight. Well, it's nice that you won a point for bikes in court. But it's a shame you couldn't do it by simply arguing your principles, instead of committing premeditated perjury in that court, and it's not too swift to have provided a detailed description of such perjury here. Now the question is: what is the legal responsibility of an officer of the court (attorney) in the jurisdiction in which you went to court who reads this admission on this mailing list? 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 21:58:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAN2wsO7030389; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:58:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAN2wqoL030374; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:58:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021122215323.009ed2c0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:57:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Hayabusa engine/tranny long-haul reliability? In-Reply-To: <200211230000.gAN001Nd027914@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm considering buying a car with a Hayabusa engine (rated at 175 hp) and the Hayabusa sequential transmission. I've known of racers who've run Lola chassis with Suzuki snowmobile engines in D Sports Racer, but don't know anyone who's put upward of, say, 50,000 miles on one. Does anyone know anything about the longevity of the 'Busa engine and tranny, or of any other similar applications in which it's been used? Thanks -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 22:16:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAN3G5O7030511; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:16:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAN3G5am030503; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:16:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DDEF435.63B42E6C@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:21:26 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llarson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hayabusa engine/tranny long-haul reliability? References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021122215323.009ed2c0@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm considering buying a car with a Hayabusa engine (rated at 175 hp) and > the Hayabusa sequential transmission. I've known of racers who've run Lola > chassis with Suzuki snowmobile engines in D Sports Racer, but don't know > anyone who's put upward of, say, 50,000 miles on one. > > Does anyone know anything about the longevity of the 'Busa engine and > tranny, or of any other similar applications in which it's been used? > > Thanks -- Larry Well, back a buncha years a man I considered knowledgeable RE bike engines claimed a cared for UJM would go 80K before possibley needing top end work. Of course, we're talking Hayabusa = testostrone = stupidity. If the car version is a direct swapout for the bike engine, I'd hazard a guess that boneyards have plenty of lo-milage engines on the pile Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Nov 22 22:54:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAN3sYO7030715; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:54:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAN3sXnV030705; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:54:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:05:40 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Hayabusa engine/tranny long-haul reliability? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021122215323.009ed2c0@mail.9netave.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm considering buying a car with a Hayabusa engine (rated at 175 hp) and > the Hayabusa sequential transmission. I've known of racers who've run Lola > chassis with Suzuki snowmobile engines in D Sports Racer, but don't know > anyone who's put upward of, say, 50,000 miles on one. > > Does anyone know anything about the longevity of the 'Busa engine and > tranny, or of any other similar applications in which it's been used? I haven't seen any over 60,000 miles on the Suzuki Hayabusa message board. Due to the nature of the bike (huge HP, long wheelbase), it's used by a lot of drag racers, land speed racers and even some kneedraggers for track bikes :-) Some of the regular street bike guys on the message boards have 30k-40k miles and no problems. The motor seems pretty bullet proof. The only issue I've seen with internals is the cam chain tensioner. There was a recall on the early motors that solved the problem. I think the factory '00+ motors all have the fix, but I'm not 100% sure. http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/ http://www.psychobike.com/ http://www.hayabusa.org/ Those are all good places to start looking for Hayabusa information. Hope that helps! BTW, is this the same car that was featured in a recent Motorcyclist article? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Nov 23 09:18:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gANEIiO7001266; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:18:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gANEIhJn001254; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:18:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021123141835.59799.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 06:18:35 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: I fought the law and the law... To: llarson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021122214343.009f0030@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > > Now the question is: what is the legal > responsibility of an officer of the > court (attorney) in the jurisdiction in which you > went to court who reads > this admission on this mailing list? 8;) > > -- Larry > > He just committed a felony to avoid a $25 fine. While I'll agree that motorcycles should catcha break on tolls. My integrity is worth more than $25. My time is worth more than $25. My right to vote, keep my job, hunt, run for office, is worth more than $25. Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus )B– Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 24 08:03:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAOD3MO7021258; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 08:03:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAOD3Kop021248; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 08:03:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002801c293b9$d99eefe0$6500a8c0@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021122215323.009ed2c0@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: Hayabusa engine/tranny long-haul reliability? Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 08:02:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 599158c4802a0bc829d2c221526d1bab239a348a220c2609096805b15ea006839003b93b49446381a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > Does anyone know anything about the longevity of the 'Busa engine and > tranny, or of any other similar applications in which it's been used? While my GSX 1100G isn't a 'Busa - it's in the same family. I'm pushing 70K miles right now, and total problems to date have been one broken carb jet needle (at about 50K) and one crapped out spark plug cap (about 5K later). I don't hot-rod it (too much) and take reasonably good care of the internals. YMMV Michael J. '93 GSX 1100G '86 SRX-6 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 24 11:54:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAOGsAO7022506; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:54:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAOGs8iJ022494; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:54:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021124165405.41080.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 08:54:05 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Re: I fought the law and the law . . . To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: mtwithrow@XXXXXX, tightsqueezeracing@XXXXXX, llarson@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200211240000.gAO000iH003914@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't see where he committed perjury. The offense of "Toll evasion" does not require proof of intent; whether Tightsqueezeracing intended to pay the toll or not has nothing to do with his guilt or innocence. Thus, a defense of "I didn't know I had to pay" could not, as a matter of law, have carried the day (even if he made that argument, which I did not understand him to have done). His defense (as I read it, and as the judge apprently recognized it) was the ambiguity in the signs. I'd guess that the judge, in her equitable role, thought it would be unfair to enforce the law given the ambiguity and thus found TSR not liable. In court, while you're certainly not allowed to lie, you are allowed to make non-frivolous legal arguments even if you ultimately don't think that the arguments are necessarily right. Just my $0.02, and not legal advice, etc. Aaron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus )B– Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 24 13:12:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAOICuO7023186; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:12:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAOICtjm023176; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:12:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14515033@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" , "'SabMag'" Subject: Damn Statistics Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:13:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Table 3 Whoa, glad my motorcycles are registered in MD, not DC! Figure 2. Looks like Darwin is cleaning up the gene pool with alcohol. On a serious note: The shopping season is upon us. Folks who drive little all year will be venturing out to shop for their loved ones. You are neither on their gift list nor list of priorities. They are both nervous from the traffic and poorly skilled. Be conspicuous (lane placement, lights, horns, bells, ribbons, whatever. ) Expect the worst, especially from nervous drivers. Stay out of their way; they are dangerous. Survive the season so we can complain about the dumbasses next year. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg http://www.crashmancomics.com/sabmag/rogues/carlcuster.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 24 15:00:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAOK0NO7023919; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:00:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAOK0Ljl023909; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:00:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021124200019.4565.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 12:00:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric M. Winslow" Subject: Re: Damn Statistics To: "'DCCycles'" In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14515033@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That link is not coming up at all. It seems that www_nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov does not exist. http://www_nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd_30/NCSA/TSF2001/2001mcycle.pdf --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > > Table 3 Whoa, glad my motorcycles are registered in MD, not DC! > Figure 2. Looks like Darwin is cleaning up the gene pool with > alcohol. > > On a serious note: > The shopping season is upon us. > Folks who drive little all year will be venturing out to shop for > their > loved ones. > You are neither on their gift list nor list of priorities. > They are both nervous from the traffic and poorly skilled. > Be conspicuous (lane placement, lights, horns, bells, ribbons, > whatever. ) > Expect the worst, especially from nervous drivers. Stay out of their > way; > they are dangerous. > Survive the season so we can complain about the dumbasses next year. > Carl in Bethesda > Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, > over > snow, and around road ragers. > '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '97 Aerostich > Roadcrafter > (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) > > Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: > http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg > http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab > re.jpg > http://www.crashmancomics.com/sabmag/rogues/carlcuster.jpg > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus )B– Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Nov 24 22:40:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAP3eOO7028152; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:40:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAP3eMUd028142; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:40:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Ktmh53@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:40:12 EST Subject: Looking for SS Screw Kit/list To: dsn_klr650@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10635 Looking for SS screw/bolt kit for a KLR 650. I saw one, but now I can't find it, I think in Houston, TX. One Kit was for the engine cases and theother for the luggage rack and other do-dads. Where is it? Or does someone have the list already made? Thanks Kurt Thomas NAS Patuxent River, MD KLR650 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 25 09:34:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAPEYWO7032197; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:34:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAPEYU2J032190; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:34:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004c01c2948f$f202d020$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Eric M. Winslow" , "'DCCycles'" Cc: "Custer, Carl" References: <20021124200019.4565.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Damn Statistics Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:35:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Try a hyphen, not an underscore between www and nrd http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSF2001/2001mcycle.pdf Getting to Carl's point, the DC statistic (high number of fatalities per thousand registrations) is a bit of an anomaly. DC has a low number of MC registrations, but lots of suburbanites and out-of-staters on the streets every day throws the figure off the charts. DC had 5 MC fatalities in 2001, MD had 53 and VA had 45. If anything, the disparity between MD and VA ought to be raising some eyebrows. MD had more fatalities, even though it has less population and fewer MC registrations. The report cites a figure of 1,000 MC registrations in DC, 49,000 in MD and 61,000 in Va. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric M. Winslow" > That link is not coming up at all. It seems that www_nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov > does not exist. > > http://www_nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd_30/NCSA/TSF2001/2001mcycle.pdf > > --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > > > > Table 3 Whoa, glad my motorcycles are registered in MD, not DC! > > Figure 2. Looks like Darwin is cleaning up the gene pool with > > alcohol. > > > > On a serious note: > > The shopping season is upon us. > > Folks who drive little all year will be venturing out to shop for > > their > > loved ones. > > You are neither on their gift list nor list of priorities. > > They are both nervous from the traffic and poorly skilled. > > Be conspicuous (lane placement, lights, horns, bells, ribbons, > > whatever. ) > > Expect the worst, especially from nervous drivers. Stay out of their > > way; > > they are dangerous. > > Survive the season so we can complain about the dumbasses next year. > > Carl in Bethesda > > Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, > > over > > snow, and around road ragers. > > '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '97 Aerostich > > Roadcrafter > > (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) > > > > Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: > > http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg > > > http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab > > re.jpg > > http://www.crashmancomics.com/sabmag/rogues/carlcuster.jpg > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 25 09:46:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAPEkdO7000339; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:46:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAPEkdLa000331; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:46:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021125093923.00a08c40@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:47:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Online Motorcycle Game Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed TRIALS! This thing is really, really, fun! Hard ask heck! Controls, (as far as I can figure), are: Up = gas Down = brake Left arrow = lean back Right arrow = lean forward Have fun! Regards, Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 25 09:48:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAPEmdO7000384; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:48:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAPEmd2D000377; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:48:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021125144836.56438.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:48:36 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Online Motorcycle Game To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021125093923.00a08c40@mail.mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Uh.. Where is it? No URL in your message. Chris --- Sean Jordan wrote: > TRIALS! > > This thing is really, really, fun! Hard ask heck! > Controls, (as far as I > can figure), are: __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus )B– Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 25 09:57:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAPEv9O7001633; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:57:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAPEv8fp001627; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:57:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021125145701.95222.qmail@web40901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:57:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Call for instructors - VA To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just got off the phone with the manager for the Motorcycle Program at Alexandria. They've been able to work out something with the college so they will have a range available all week long from April to possibly November. Right now (season ended last weekend), most classes are taught on the weekends (Fri night, all day Sat and Sun). With the range available all week, they can teach two additional classes (Mon night, all day Tue and Wed / Wed night, all day Thurs and Fri). The only obstacle at this point is people who can teach during the week; most current coaches on the roll work their regular jobs during the week and teach on weekends. So if there are people out there who have a schedule that is flexible enough and would like to teach during part of the week, this is the best time to look into becoming a motorcycle coach. The man you want to talk to is Dave Hepburn. E-mail is the best way to reach Dave: dhepburn@XXXXXX The next RiderCoach Prep (when we changed to the new program, the term "Instructors" was replaced with "RiderCoach") is being held in March. I forgot to bring the schedule with me, but if memory serves, it's the last three weekends in March. However, your best bet is to contact Dave Hepburn as soon as possible to get all the information and application material. As I said, they are primarily looking for people who can teach during the week. However, if you are only interested in teaching on weekends, you can still contact Dave for more information. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus )B– Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 25 10:39:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAPFdBO7002472; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:39:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAPFdAGC002462; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:39:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021125103644.00a0cdb0@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:40:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: D'oh! Forgot the link! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://pelit.dnainternet.net/pelihalli/trials/ Enjoy! Regards, Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 25 11:13:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAPGDnO7003236; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:13:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAPGDm4U003226; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:13:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DE24B01.628EBBAC@carlparker.com> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:08:34 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles , NCapuano@XXXXXX, SABMAGERS Subject: New Horse in the Barn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ya'll, Just writting to announce that as of last Saturday afternoon I acquired a black 98 Bandit S1200 from Richmond. Thanks to the PO she was very well maintained, upgraded, only 10k miles, and got her for a great price! Insurance is also very reasonable through Progressive despite my miniature collection of "performance awards". ;) Coming from riding an 82' Magna 750 (which I still love and have) this is quite a change. I naturally couldn't just ride straight home so I decided to turn Sunday's beautiful weather into a good 250 mile handshake/hangout ride with the bike. The course I happened to take ended up being quite a nice mixture of road types and sceeneries. Additionally, I would like to add how much motorcycling and learning from other people, such as you all'z, has added -by leaps and bounds- to my life so many skills and experiences that I continually benefit from each successive day, wether or not I ride. As much as one could explode rocks with such feelings of thankfulness, I feel brevity is important and will save everyone from a mushy philsophical diatribe. :) Leaving Richmond on 33W was pretty uneventful although Sunday's weather made just about anything pleasant. Then took 522N which got pretty interesting as you work your way towards the mountains and it gets hillier; some really neat moments here. I filled up at some little gassing hole cuz I wanted to see what my range was. I had been briefed that the bike has a reserve tank (The Magna has a fuel light) so I wanted to see how far until I went reserve. Ended up being about 120 miles until reserve with some mixed fast and slow riding. Then to 211W and at about 3 miles before you get to Skyline Drive, I saw a mixed buncha bikers hanging out in some cool little restaurant. I'll have to ride out there and spy if that's a local secret. Was anyone there around 2-3PM? Anyway, then on to some crazy ass winding road leading up to Skyline Drive where I scraped a peg and realized three things: 1) Radials tires (Pilot Sports) are amazing and 2) the lowering dogbones make it quite short and cut too much peg clearance for my tastes; I'm planning on putting the old bones back and 3) Progressive rear shocks feel grreat! Skyline Drive was beautiful and cooler than the lower lying lands. The sceenery is always good up there and the handlebar risers on the bike are fantastic - makes it feel like more like FZ1 geometry, very comfey yet boogie-able. The Bandit engine makes very managable power everywhere...it made me giggle in my helmet. And now...to the DMV. *insert the Song of the Volga Boatman* ;^) Hope ya'll had a great weekend of riding too! Pax, Carl Parker Aka: The Latest Carl who is also Carl. --------------------- 82' Magna V45 - "Mystery Ship" 98' BanditS12 - --------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 25 11:48:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAPGmsO7004014; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:48:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAPGmsoI004004; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:48:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: D'oh! Forgot the link! Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:48:00 -0600 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230990CA1A@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: D'oh! Forgot the link! Thread-Index: AcKUonZBsphtbX/jQd+S/JiNsnuq3g== From: To: , , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gAPGmqO7003987 Damn you Sean, I was trying to get some work done today... George >>> Sean Jordan 11/25/02 10:40AM >>> http://pelit.dnainternet.net/pelihalli/trials/ Enjoy! Regards, Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 25 12:30:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAPHUkO7004832; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:30:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAPHUk46004824; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:30:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <014901c294a8$9326b800$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Cc: "VFRLIST" Subject: A beautiful weekend... Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:31:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Weather like this (sunny and highs in the 50s) is a gift this time of year. Saturday I spent a good bit of the day getting the VF500F up to snuff for winter riding. New tires, new chain and sprockets, rear rotor and brake pads. I took her for a test ride and hit the Jefferson Memorial for Passport stamp #9 in my Ironbutt Association, National Parks Master Traveler quest. The bikes runs a lot better following a valve adjust and carb synch at Crossroads Cycle and with new shoes: look out. I'm still waiting on the new shock. Sunday, my wife--who has perfected the "3D's of Management: decide, delegate and disappear"--announces, "you're in charge of food until Thanksgiving." So I mounted the Givi top case, emptied it of superfluous stuff and headed to the store, via the scenic route. Via Gettysburg, Pa., to be exact. It's about 180 miles round trip, and I explored some new to me back roads north and west of Hyattstown, Md. And, I "got lost, on purpose" a couple of times. I visited the Battlefield, got my ticket punched (site #10, state #5) and then headed south to Monocacy Battlefield outside Frederick (site #11, state #2). I headed back into the city, got to the store, squeezed into a spot too small for cages (score another one for the bike) and got the provisions, while envious and harried pre-Turkey Day shoppers cruised the parking deck in their overstuffed cages looking for a spot to park. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Nov 25 13:30:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAPIUEO7005749; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:30:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAPIUD8b005742; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:30:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: must-have mofo accessory Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:30:15 -0500 Message-ID: References: <145.1acdaa5.2af3145c@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <145.1acdaa5.2af3145c@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gAPIUCO7005730 12" foot long measurement. stupid kings. >> Leave it to the English to invent something that >> either leaks oil or compicates things > >Three words: British Standard Wrenches. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 07:03:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQC3EO7013752; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:03:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQC3DNZ013742; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:03:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 06:03:08 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Fuel Filler Cap Theft Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone have any brilliant ideas as to how to get off a fuel filler cap, sans key? Fish. honest, occifer, the bike really is mine, honest, don't arrest me, honest From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 07:29:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQCT6O7014139; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:29:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQCT6pH014129; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:29:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 06:29:03 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Mucked Up Valve Stem Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is on a cage, not a bike, but the principle should be the same, right? Noticed the tire pressure was low on the front-right tire of my cage last night. Attached my little portable air compressor, pumped it up, removed air compressor. Valve leaks air at a quite high rate -- I estimate it dropped from 32 psi to 20 psi in about a minute. Any idea what might have caused this, and how to fix it? Any comments on whether to ditch the compressor, the tire, the valve stem, or all three? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 07:33:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQCXoO7014455; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:33:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQCXoYi014448; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:33:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021126123347.21132.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 04:33:47 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Mucked Up Valve Stem To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Any chance the "core" is loose inside the stem? Glenn --- Fish Flowers wrote: > caused this, and how to fix it? Any comments on > whether to ditch the > compressor, the tire, the valve stem, or all three? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 07:38:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQCcHO7014775; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:38:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQCcH6D014767; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:38:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Mucked Up Valve Stem Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:38:09 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211260738096E.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 26 November 2002 07:29, Fish Flowers wrote: > This is on a cage, not a bike, but the principle should be the same, > right? > > Noticed the tire pressure was low on the front-right tire of my cage last > night. Attached my little portable air compressor, pumped it up, removed > air compressor. Valve leaks air at a quite high rate -- I estimate it > dropped from 32 psi to 20 psi in about a minute. Any idea what might have > caused this, and how to fix it? Any comments on whether to ditch the > compressor, the tire, the valve stem, or all three? > Does it stop leaking after putting the cap back on? It may be a loose core. If you have some soapy water you can find the leak but if it's leaking that fast you'll probably have to replace it. > Fish. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 07:40:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQCehO7014816; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:40:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQCeh8G014810; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:40:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 06:40:40 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Mucked Up Valve Stem In-Reply-To: <0211260738096E.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > Does it stop leaking after putting the cap back on? It may be a loose > core. It does indeed stop leaking with the cap on. (I suspect it is still leaking somewhat, just not at such a high rate. You can no longer hear or feel the airflow, though.) I'll poke at the core this evening when I get home; if I can't get it to hold air I guess I'll throw on the donut and drag the tire over to the local Sears Auto to see if they can't fix it. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 07:43:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQChDO7015117; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:43:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQChDP7015112; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:43:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021126124310.9936.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 04:43:10 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Mucked Up Valve Stem To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Why not just stop at an auto parts store and buy a valve core tool for $3? Glenn --- Fish Flowers wrote: > I'll poke at the core this evening when I get home; > if I can't get it to > hold air I guess I'll throw on the donut and drag > the tire over to the > local Sears Auto to see if they can't fix it. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 07:45:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQCjJO7015429; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:45:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQCjIKJ015421; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:45:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Mucked Up Valve Stem Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:45:13 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211260745136F.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 26 November 2002 07:40, Fish Flowers wrote: > On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > Does it stop leaking after putting the cap back on? It may be a loose > > core. > > It does indeed stop leaking with the cap on. (I suspect it is still > leaking somewhat, just not at such a high rate. You can no longer hear or > feel the airflow, though.) > > I'll poke at the core this evening when I get home; if I can't get it to > hold air I guess I'll throw on the donut and drag the tire over to the > local Sears Auto to see if they can't fix it. > They have little fork like things (I had them on my bicycle) that'll let you tighten them down. Maybe at a bike shop rather than taking the tire off and schlepping it down to the sears store. > Fish. -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 07:59:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQCxtO7016043; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:59:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQCxtsO016035; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:59:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 06:59:52 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Mucked Up Valve Stem In-Reply-To: <20021126124310.9936.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Why not just stop at an auto parts store and buy a valve core tool for > $3? Durr, probably because I'm a clueless idiot who didn't know such things existed. (I blame it on my upbringing. I can swap out a PC's power supply, but if my alternator blows I'm lost. My father-in-law despairs for me.) I begin my quest for the mythical "valve core tool" this evening, then. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 08:07:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQD7IO7016387; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:07:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQD7Hib016377; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:07:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Mucked Up Valve Stem Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:07:11 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211260807116H.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 26 November 2002 07:59, Fish Flowers wrote: > On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Why not just stop at an auto parts store and buy a valve core tool for > > $3? > > Durr, probably because I'm a clueless idiot who didn't know such things > existed. (I blame it on my upbringing. I can swap out a PC's power supply, > but if my alternator blows I'm lost. My father-in-law despairs for me.) > > I begin my quest for the mythical "valve core tool" this evening, then. > Just don't go to Sears. There be dragons. > Fish. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 08:09:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQD9XO7016690; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:09:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQD9W72016682; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:09:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:20:11 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Mucked Up Valve Stem In-Reply-To: <0211260807116H.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > Durr, probably because I'm a clueless idiot who didn't know such things > > existed. (I blame it on my upbringing. I can swap out a PC's power supply, > > but if my alternator blows I'm lost. My father-in-law despairs for me.) > > > > I begin my quest for the mythical "valve core tool" this evening, then. > > > > Just don't go to Sears. There be dragons. A pair of very thin needle nose pliers will accomplish the same thing as the valve core tool. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 08:13:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQDDpO7017021; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:13:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQDDnkT017006; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:13:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:13:46 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Mucked Up Valve Stem In-Reply-To: <0211260807116H.09051@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > Just don't go to Sears. There be dragons. Hnr? I thought Sears hardware was generally well-thought of. No? Anyway, I like slaying dragons. Fish St. George. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 08:27:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQDRnO7017398; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:27:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQDRnqw017390; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:27:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021126132742.59356.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 05:27:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tight Squeeze Racing Subject: Re: I fought the law and the law . . . To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Aaron In-Reply-To: <20021124165405.41080.qmail@web11303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I didn't say anything, nor meant to imply that anyone perjured. The fact that I shut the stupid cop's big fat pie-hole was satisfaction enough for me. (Sorry, but you probably had to be there during the traffic stop, to see how this jackass VA State Trooper, jack-booted, Nazi thug, tax-collector acted, and to why it led to such satisfaction for me.) [Soapbox]Considering that on the day that this occurred, the DC snipers were still on the loose. I found it 100% inappropriate that this particular dickhead had nothing better to do but stand outside a tollbooth waiting to get plinked in his wide-brimmed drill-sargeant hat.[/Soapbox] But you are correct in that the judge made her ruling that she nor the cop could determine that the signage was instructional enough for me to understand that I should be responsible for the toll. I probably got lucky, but I'll take it. --- Aaron wrote: > I don't see where he committed perjury. The offense > of "Toll evasion" does not require proof of intent; > whether Tightsqueezeracing intended to pay the toll or > not has nothing to do with his guilt or innocence. > > Thus, a defense of "I didn't know I had to pay" could > not, as a matter of law, have carried the day (even if > he made that argument, which I did not understand him > to have done). His defense (as I read it, and as the > judge apprently recognized it) was the ambiguity in > the signs. I'd guess that the judge, in her equitable > role, thought it would be unfair to enforce the law > given the ambiguity and thus found TSR not liable. > > In court, while you're certainly not allowed to lie, > you are allowed to make non-frivolous legal arguments > even if you ultimately don't think that the arguments > are necessarily right. > > Just my $0.02, and not legal advice, etc. > > Aaron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 08:28:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQDSNO7017431; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:28:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQDSNa4017424; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:28:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: Fuel Filler Cap Theft From: Brian Roach To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 26 Nov 2002 08:28:15 -0500 Message-Id: <1038317295.2149.707.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 07:03, Fish Flowers wrote: > Does anyone have any brilliant ideas as to how to get off a fuel filler > cap, sans key? You'll need four things: 1) Drill 2) 1/4" bit 3) Large blade screwdriver 4) New filler cap Should only take a couple minutes to resolve the issue :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 09:09:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQE9qO7018230; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:09:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQE9qq9018220; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:09:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DE38047.7F946B2C@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:08:07 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Mucked Up Valve Stem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > Just don't go to Sears. There be dragons. > > Hnr? I thought Sears hardware was generally well-thought of. No? > > Anyway, I like slaying dragons. > > Fish St. George. If you don't know what you're doing, Sears will fuck you like a drunk chick on prom night. if your valve core is loose, you can use: a valve core tool (ffx auto parts, sears, walmart, ect) a very small pair of needle nose pliers a pocket screwdriver If the valve stem is damaged, the bead will have to be broken in order to replace the valve stem. Don't let them charge you for rebalancing the tire, they should be able to just break one bead to swap out the stem. the stem, which costs the dealer about $.10 will cost you about $1-5. If you got the "tire protection package" when you bought your tires, take it and your receipt back there; most places will warranty their valve stems. If you're in the Reston area, lemme know and I'll hook you up with a quality auto repair facility; it's the place I take my cars to when the repair is out of my range. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 09:13:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQEDEO7018585; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:13:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQEDEY9018575; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:13:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:13:12 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Mucked Up Valve Stem In-Reply-To: <3DE38047.7F946B2C@tasam.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Skip Smith wrote: > If you don't know what you're doing, Sears will fuck you like a drunk > chick on prom night. Hey, that's not so bad. Oh, wait, you mean I'd be playing the drunk chick. Hmm. Hey, that's still not so... err, never mind, probably best not to go there. Nah, I'm waaay the feck out in Bowie. I'll just play with small screwdrivers and needle-nose pliers and (maybe, if those don't work and I can find one) a valve repair tool and see if I can't figure it out. Thanks for the help, all. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 09:15:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQEFFO7018690; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:15:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQEFF1U018680; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:15:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DE3832F.68214994@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:20:32 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Fuel Filler Cap Theft References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > Does anyone have any brilliant ideas as to how to get off a fuel filler > cap, sans key? > > Fish. > honest, occifer, the bike really is mine, honest, don't arrest me, honest Well, I have a set of lock picks, but without a key the lock is dead anyway, so punch it out (drill the bugger) and buy a new lockset. You should be able to save the cap. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 09:20:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQEKnO7019306; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:20:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQEKnpa019298; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:20:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DE38486.83F4C9D6@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:26:14 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Mucked Up Valve Stem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fish Flowers wrote: > This is on a cage, not a bike, but the principle should be the same, > right? > > Noticed the tire pressure was low on the front-right tire of my cage last > night. Attached my little portable air compressor, pumped it up, removed > air compressor. Valve leaks air at a quite high rate -- I estimate it > dropped from 32 psi to 20 psi in about a minute. Any idea what might have > caused this, and how to fix it? Any comments on whether to ditch the > compressor, the tire, the valve stem, or all three? > > Fish. As deduced by others, the valve core is the first place to look. Any auto parts stores sell valve cores - cheap - and core wrenches - also cheap. You should have spare valve cores around, if not loose they can still get dirty and leak. A soap bubble test will confirm or deny a bad core. Also, there are valve stem caps with a built in core tightened. It would be on the outside top of the cap, remove cap, flip over, and SCREW! The valve core, that is. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 10:18:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQFItO7019976; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:18:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQFIrWu019969; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:18:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: Well, my R6 is no longer "mint"... Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:18:46 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640924E@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mucked Up Valve Stem Thread-Index: AcKVTUXqlWkfwEfpTtydm/yrHdzA7gAC33vg From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id gAQFIqO7019952 DC Cycles, you've been quite helpful in setting me on the right path when I got my R6 as first bike a few months earlier. I met some of you at the bike night in Ballston and I thought you might be interested how my first 1500+ miles went and my progress thus far. (Very few of those miles are "highway" miles. Most are on twisty but fairly quick roads.) I started slowly, in no small part due to the "suggestions" from all the experienced motorcyclists on this list and on other lists. But it is only in retrospect that I fully understand the implications and gravity of this advice. The R6 is a great bike and possibly the best choice I could've made. From the moment I sat on it, it felt comfortable and familiar. Slow maneuvers came to me naturally and traffic awareness was not a problem. I attribute this to the thousands of miles I spend on my road racing bicycle, which handles VERY similarly. Just about the only difference is that the motorcycle accelerates faster, brakes faster, and has a higher top speed :) Had I not had all my bicycle experience, I am certain I would've dropped the bike--both from a stand-still and during slow-speed maneuvers--many times over. But unfortunately, the bike is no longer in tip-top shape. I left for London a few weeks ago, and came back yesterday night to find my bike on it's side. Because of various circumstances, I have an inkling someone tried to steal it, but failed. The bike was tipped on it's side, over the curve, on grass. Primary damage to the bike is the screen, which will have to be replaced, and the fairing around the screen. (as well as the turn signal, which can be fixed, I think) When I rode the bike to work today, I also noticed that the shifting is messed up a little. I can still shift, but it's tricky. Other than that, there's some scratches, which I don't particularly care about. R6 is a flashy bike, but I didn't buy it to draw attention to myself and don't care how it looks cosmetically. So it is on a sad note that I returned home yesterday. Just as I was walking down the street, thinking how my mewly purchased Ohlins PRXLS shock will improve the suspension, I saw the bike on it's side. On a positive note, London and Paris are great placed to have a bike. I couldn't rent a motorcycle because it wouldn've been hard, expensive, and tedious for me to do so (age + inexperience), but I rented a bicycle. Everybody lane splits, sometimes there's special lanes for lane splitting, there is designated room in front of traffic lights for bikes to pull into, and car drivers actually see you and even give you extra space. It's great. I also had a chance to go to Birmingham, which hosted a major motorcycle show. Every conceivable bike part and accessory was on display and ready for purchase. There were many bikes on display, and even more bikes that you could sit on and try out. If it's bike related, it was there. I took some photos, which I will post on my website. I will send the link when I do so. Witold www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 10:42:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQFgVO7020431; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:42:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQFgV04020423; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:42:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:42:47 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: Witold@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Well, my R6 is no longer "mint"... MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7342AEC3.0F697828.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Witold, Sorry to hear about that. What makes you think it was an attempted theft? We did have some strong storms/winds not too long ago that could have been cause for the tipped over bike if it was not sheltered. And, you're right. Cosmetic stuff is nothing to worry about. However, to replace the windshield, front upper fairing and turn signal will be a little expensive but, not too too bad. As for the shifting, I'm not too mechanically inclined but, check to make sure it's not bent. That could be the cause of the shifting problem. I'm sure others will have more ideas and offer to take a look at. Just be happy you weren't on it when it fell over and went boom. :-) Scooter In a message dated 11/26/2002 10:18:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, Witold@XXXXXX writes: > > > > DC Cycles, > you've been quite helpful in setting me on the right path when I got my R6 as first bike a few months earlier. I met some of you at the bike night in Ballston and I thought you might be interested how my first 1500+ miles went and my progress thus far. (Very few of those miles are "highway" miles. Most are on twisty but fairly quick roads.) > > I started slowly, in no small part due to the "suggestions" from all the experienced motorcyclists on this list and on other lists. But it is only in retrospect that I fully understand the implications and gravity of this advice. The R6 is a great bike and possibly the best choice I could've made. From the moment I sat on it, it felt comfortable and familiar. Slow maneuvers came to me naturally and traffic awareness was not a problem. I attribute this to the thousands of miles I spend on my road racing bicycle, which handles VERY similarly. Just about the only difference is that the motorcycle accelerates faster, brakes faster, and has a higher top speed :) Had I not had all my bicycle experience, I am certain I would've dropped the bike--both from a stand-still and during slow-speed maneuvers--many times over. > > But unfortunately, the bike is no longer in tip-top shape. I left for London a few weeks ago, and came back yesterday night to find my bike on it's side. Because of various circumstances, I have an inkling someone tried to steal it, but failed. The bike was tipped on it's side, over the curve, on grass. Primary damage to the bike is the screen, which will have to be replaced, and the fairing around the screen. (as well as the turn signal, which can be fixed, I think) When I rode the bike to work today, I also noticed that the shifting is messed up a little. I can still shift, but it's tricky. Other than that, there's some scratches, which I don't particularly care about. R6 is a flashy bike, but I didn't buy it to draw attention to myself and don't care how it looks cosmetically. > > So it is on a sad note that I returned home yesterday. Just as I was walking down the street, thinking how my mewly purchased Ohlins PRXLS shock will improve the suspension, I saw the bike on it's side. > > On a positive note, London and Paris are great placed to have a bike. I couldn't rent a motorcycle because it wouldn've been hard, expensive, and tedious for me to do so (age + inexperience), but I rented a bicycle. Everybody lane splits, sometimes there's special lanes for lane splitting, there is designated room in front of traffic lights for bikes to pull into, and car drivers actually see you and even give you extra space. It's great. > > I also had a chance to go to Birmingham, which hosted a major motorcycle show. Every conceivable bike part and accessory was on display and ready for purchase. There were many bikes on display, and even more bikes that you could sit on and try out. If it's bike related, it was there. I took some photos, which I will post on my website. I will send the link > when I do so. > > Witold > www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 10:43:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQFh0O7020464; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:43:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQFh0Ds020457; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:43:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021126154257.39839.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:42:57 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Well, my R6 is no longer "mint"... To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640924E@rnc1.rnchq.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry about that....hopefully insurance will cover it? I try to find a garage when I am going out of town for long periods. Europe is great for bikes isn't it! mark --- Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > > DC Cycles, > you've been quite helpful in setting me on the right > path when I got my R6 as first bike a few months > earlier. I met some of you at the bike night in > Ballston and I thought you might be interested how > my first 1500+ miles went and my progress thus far. > (Very few of those miles are "highway" miles. Most > are on twisty but fairly quick roads.) > > I started slowly, in no small part due to the > "suggestions" from all the experienced motorcyclists > on this list and on other lists. But it is only in > retrospect that I fully understand the implications > and gravity of this advice. The R6 is a great bike > and possibly the best choice I could've made. From > the moment I sat on it, it felt comfortable and > familiar. Slow maneuvers came to me naturally and > traffic awareness was not a problem. I attribute > this to the thousands of miles I spend on my road > racing bicycle, which handles VERY similarly. Just > about the only difference is that the motorcycle > accelerates faster, brakes faster, and has a higher > top speed :) Had I not had all my bicycle > experience, I am certain I would've dropped the > bike--both from a stand-still and during slow-speed > maneuvers--many times over. > > But unfortunately, the bike is no longer in tip-top > shape. I left for London a few weeks ago, and came > back yesterday night to find my bike on it's side. > Because of various circumstances, I have an inkling > someone tried to steal it, but failed. The bike was > tipped on it's side, over the curve, on grass. > Primary damage to the bike is the screen, which will > have to be replaced, and the fairing around the > screen. (as well as the turn signal, which can be > fixed, I think) When I rode the bike to work today, > I also noticed that the shifting is messed up a > little. I can still shift, but it's tricky. Other > than that, there's some scratches, which I don't > particularly care about. R6 is a flashy bike, but I > didn't buy it to draw attention to myself and don't > care how it looks cosmetically. > > So it is on a sad note that I returned home > yesterday. Just as I was walking down the street, > thinking how my mewly purchased Ohlins PRXLS shock > will improve the suspension, I saw the bike on it's > side. > > On a positive note, London and Paris are great > placed to have a bike. I couldn't rent a motorcycle > because it wouldn've been hard, expensive, and > tedious for me to do so (age + inexperience), but I > rented a bicycle. Everybody lane splits, sometimes > there's special lanes for lane splitting, there is > designated room in front of traffic lights for bikes > to pull into, and car drivers actually see you and > even give you extra space. It's great. > > I also had a chance to go to Birmingham, which > hosted a major motorcycle show. Every conceivable > bike part and accessory was on display and ready for > purchase. There were many bikes on display, and > even more bikes that you could sit on and try out. > If it's bike related, it was there. I took some > photos, which I will post on my website. I will > send the link when I do so. > > Witold > www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 11:59:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQGxeO7021592; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:59:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQGxed0021582; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:59:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:59:39 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, Witold@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Well, my R6 is no longer "mint"... MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0536509D.58873DFA.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hmmmm.....good suggestion. For anyone interested, if you are planning on going out of town for long periods, and are in need of such a service, I can squeeze another bike in beside mine in my apartment building. My building manager has no problem with me doing it. Just ask Perry Coleman. :-) Located in beautiful downtown DC on 13th and Massachusetts. Hell, I should be able to work it even if you just need a place to park for a couple hours. Scooter In a message dated 11/26/2002 10:42:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, markkitchell@XXXXXX writes: > > > Sorry about that....hopefully insurance will cover it? > > I try to find a garage when I am going out of town for > long periods. > > Europe is great for bikes isn't it! > > mark > > > --- Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services > wrote: > > > > DC Cycles, > > you've been quite helpful in setting me on the right > > path when I got my R6 as first bike a few months > > earlier. I met some of you at the bike night in > > Ballston and I thought you might be interested how > > my first 1500+ miles went and my progress thus far. > > (Very few of those miles are "highway" miles. Most > > are on twisty but fairly quick roads.) > > > > I started slowly, in no small part due to the > > "suggestions" from all the experienced motorcyclists > > on this list and on other lists. But it is only in > > retrospect that I fully understand the implications > > and gravity of this advice. The R6 is a great bike > > and possibly the best choice I could've made. From > > the moment I sat on it, it felt comfortable and > > familiar. Slow maneuvers came to me naturally and > > traffic awareness was not a problem. I attribute > > this to the thousands of miles I spend on my road > > racing bicycle, which handles VERY similarly. Just > > about the only difference is that the motorcycle > > accelerates faster, brakes faster, and has a higher > > top speed :) Had I not had all my bicycle > > experience, I am certain I would've dropped the > > bike--both from a stand-still and during slow-speed > > maneuvers--many times over. > > > > But unfortunately, the bike is no longer in tip-top > > shape. I left for London a few weeks ago, and came > > back yesterday night to find my bike on it's side. > > Because of various circumstances, I have an inkling > > someone tried to steal it, but failed. The bike was > > tipped on it's side, over the curve, on grass. > > Primary damage to the bike is the screen, which will > > have to be replaced, and the fairing around the > > screen. (as well as the turn signal, which can be > > fixed, I think) When I rode the bike to work today, > > I also noticed that the shifting is messed up a > > little. I can still shift, but it's tricky. Other > > than that, there's some scratches, which I don't > > particularly care about. R6 is a flashy bike, but I > > didn't buy it to draw attention to myself and don't > > care how it looks cosmetically. > > > > So it is on a sad note that I returned home > > yesterday. Just as I was walking down the street, > > thinking how my mewly purchased Ohlins PRXLS shock > > will improve the suspension, I saw the bike on it's > > side. > > > > On a positive note, London and Paris are great > > placed to have a bike. I couldn't rent a motorcycle > > because it wouldn've been hard, expensive, and > > tedious for me to do so (age + inexperience), but I > > rented a bicycle. Everybody lane splits, sometimes > > there's special lanes for lane splitting, there is > > designated room in front of traffic lights for bikes > > to pull into, and car drivers actually see you and > > even give you extra space. It's great. > > > > I also had a chance to go to Birmingham, which > > hosted a major motorcycle show. Every conceivable > > bike part and accessory was on display and ready for > > purchase. There were many bikes on display, and > > even more bikes that you could sit on and try out. > > If it's bike related, it was there. I took some > > photos, which I will post on my website. I will > > send the link when I do so. > > > > Witold > > www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 12:16:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQHG1O7022027; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:16:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQHG1Lw022019; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:16:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:15:59 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Well, my R6 is no longer "mint"... In-Reply-To: <0536509D.58873DFA.0C9D3659@aol.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Hmmmm.....good suggestion. For anyone interested, if you are planning > on going out of town for long periods, and are in need of such a > service, I can squeeze another bike in beside mine in my apartment > building. Hey, come to think of it, I could do so as well. Our garage is currently mostly-empty (SWMBO hasn't gotten her workshop set up yet), so if people are looking for winter stowage, or just trip stowage, I'm willing to offer up space. We live in Bowie, near the intersection of MD-301 and MD-214, which is a little out of the way for most of you, but I thought I'd offer. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 12:36:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQHajO7022445; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:36:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQHahpO022430; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:36:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021126173637.74254.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:36:37 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: DC Garage...WAS Re: Well, my R6 is no longer "mint"... To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, does anyone have garage space in DC where I could store my VFR while I am in France for the holidays? Thanks --- Fish Flowers wrote: > On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Hmmmm.....good suggestion. For anyone interested, > if you are planning > > on going out of town for long periods, and are in > need of such a > > service, I can squeeze another bike in beside mine > in my apartment > > building. > > Hey, come to think of it, I could do so as well. Our > garage is currently > mostly-empty (SWMBO hasn't gotten her workshop set > up yet), so if people > are looking for winter stowage, or just trip > stowage, I'm willing to offer > up space. > > We live in Bowie, near the intersection of MD-301 > and MD-214, which is a > little out of the way for most of you, but I thought > I'd offer. > > Fish. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 13:34:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQIYXO7023082; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:34:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQIYUOV023072; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:34:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021126183428.77414.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:34:28 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Online Motorcycle Game Again To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021125103644.00a0cdb0@mail.mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's another similar game that's been around for a while. It's shareware, but the demo is worth the small 1.1meg download. Chris --- Sean Jordan wrote: > http://pelit.dnainternet.net/pelihalli/trials/ > > > Enjoy! > > Regards, > > Sean Jordan > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 13:34:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQIYtO7023108; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:34:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQIYtBh023104; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:34:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021126183453.54062.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:34:53 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Online Motorcycle Game Again To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021125103644.00a0cdb0@mail.mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OOPS! I forgot the link too! http://www.elastomania.com/ Chris __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 15:04:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQK4hO7024242; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:04:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQK4gWx024235; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:04:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:04:10 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Paging Perry Coleman MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <58B6D287.1B385765.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Perry, Can't find your e-mail addy. Hit me offline when you get a second. I could use that garage key back since you're not using it. Thanks. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 18:05:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQN5HO7025527; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:05:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQN5Edu025517; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:05:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000801c295a0$76cdcce0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: The next cager you meet might be asleep Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:36:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 >From today's "Science Times" in the New York Times. While it isn't about motorcycles, who among us has not become drowsy at one time or another while riding our motorcycles? ---- November 26, 2002 When the Eyelids Snap Shut at 65 Miles an Hour By JANE E. BRODY A sleep-deprived driver turned Melissa Cullen's life upside down. Ms. Cullen was driving with her father on a country road in Delaware when a car crossed the centerline and crashed directly into her car. Her father was killed, and she was badly injured. Forced to endure multiple operations, extensive physical therapy, three years of pain and now barely able to see, she had to give up her career as a teacher. The woman whose car struck hers had slept a mere three hours in the 24 hours before the crash and had no idea what she hit or any recollection of the accident, a clear sign that she had fallen asleep at the wheel. Ms. Cullen is one of the many whose lives, experts say, are jeopardized each day by drivers who cannot stay awake. No one knows for sure whether there has been a rise in drowsy driving, but many transportation safety experts say they are increasingly aware and concerned about the problem. As a result, researchers are developing a number of novel ways to detect sleepy drivers and warn them that they may fall asleep at the wheel. It is unknown exactly how many serious and fatal crashes are caused by sleepy drivers because investigator often do not record sleepiness as a possible cause of an accident. But according to estimates by a group of international transportation safety experts, as many as 1.2 million accidents each year in this country - about 20 percent of the total - are related to driver fatigue. Many experts say the problem has grown for a number of reasons. "One impact of 9/11 has been to put more people on the highways and more stress on society," said James E. Hall, a former member of the National Transportation Safety Board. "People are not flying as much and instead a lot more people are driving long distances." He said that he believed that the numbers of drowsy drivers might also be rising because of an increased use of medications that make people drowsy, an aging society, undiagnosed or untreated sleep disorders, jet-lagged drivers, the need to work several jobs to support families and long commutes. "People go to bed tired, wake up tired and don't realize the danger of driving tired," Mr. Hall said. Alcohol only makes things worse. Those factors prompted the National Sleep Foundation to organize a two-day conference, held last week. At the gathering Mr. Hall called drowsy driving "a silent killer" that had been difficult to identify and measure and slow to be addressed. It is not that traffic safety experts are unaware of the toll sleepy driving is taking. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, which oversees commercial vehicles, are struggling with ways to curb it. What are needed, officials agree, are surefire ways to detect drivers who are too tired to drive safely, effective ways to alert them to that fact and - toughest of all - means to keep them awake or get them off the road before it is too late. Also needed is an simple, reliable roadside test to allow officers to assess a driver's alertness before or after an accident. "There is unfortunately no Breathalyzer for drowsy driving," said Col. Gregory Belenky, a doctor in the Army Medical Corps and an expert on sleep deprivation. Even when drivers know they are sleepy, they may think they can keep driving safely. But in the last century, Americans have shortened their sleep time by an average of 20 percent. In the contest between the will to stay awake and the will to sleep, experts say sleep will always win. Forty percent of fatal crashes on the New York State Thruway in recent years have been attributed to drowsy, fatigued drivers who drifted off the road, according to traffic experts. Accidents involving sleeping drivers are especially likely to be deadly because they offer no opportunities for braking or efforts to avert collisions. Various companies have produced more than 100 devices to detect drowsy driving, but none of them have been adequately tested for effectiveness and reliability, said Dr. Mark Rosekind, an expert on measures to counteract fatigue, formerly with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and now the president of Alertness Solutions. The company, based in California, works with various groups to help keep drivers awake and alert. A major problem with most of the gadgets, he said, is how people get around them, sometimes unwittingly. For example, with a device that fits over the ear and sets off an alarm when the driver's head tilts downward, drivers may soon adapt and "learn" to fall asleep without tilting their heads. Truckers have been seen on the road sitting straight up with closed eyes and their heads against the backs of their seats. I.B.M. has been working on a dashboard-mounted device that shoots a jet of cold water at sleepy drivers and, at the same time, rolls down windows, sounds an alarm and switches radio stations. The device detects drowsiness by asking the driver questions and monitoring the responses for speed and clarity. The company hopes to make the device an integral part of new cars within five years. Still, Mr. Hall said: "There has traditionally been knee-jerk resistance in the automotive industry to safety changes, and this issue, I'm sure, is no exception. We need advocacy groups to increase awareness and lobby for the necessary changes." At last week's conference, the National Summit to Prevent Drowsy Driving, held in Washington at the National Academy of Sciences, Dr. David Dinges, an expert on sleep and body clocks from the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, said dozens of claims had been made for devices promoted as "online monitors of drowsy driving." They include a sensor mounted on the roof of the car to detect when the driver's head falls over, a wrist sensor that monitors heart rate, a sleep watch that measures muscle activity, a device worn on the temple that registers eye blinks and electrodes that record brain waves. The problem, Dr. Dinges said, is finding something that works reliably for everybody, or nearly everybody, in nearly every situation. The head-droop sensor, for example, cannot tell the difference between a driver who is falling asleep or one who is changing the radio dial, glancing at a map or picking up a sandwich. To date, he said, the device that has proved most reliable in tests is an infrared gadget that detects slowly drooping eyelids, a hallmark of impending sleep. The device, developed at Carnegie Mellon University, pulses two wavelengths of infrared light off the face and bounces them back to a camera on the dashboard, which records a dark face with eyes shining like a cat's and can detect how open the eyes are. This "co-pilot" device, he said, works for nearly everyone, but it too has limits: it does not work as well in bright sunlight or with people wearing certain kinds of lenses. Nor will it work for those rare cases who can fall asleep with their eyes open. Also being used in some trucks is a tracking system that can detect lane deviations - when the vehicle has drifted off the tire tracks worn into the roadway - with a black box that can provide a permanent record should an accident occur, Colonel Belenky said. "One can imagine all sorts of possibilities for detecting drowsy driving and warning people that they are not fit to drive," he said, including a means of measuring increased blood levels of interleukin-6, a substance that correlates well with sleep deprivation. "Once you have a good monitor of drowsiness, the next issue is how to give this information to the driver," Dr. Dinges said. "Do you use lights, tones, a female voice, release the odor of peppermint or menthol, or what?" He was not impressed with the idea of squirting ice water. "And once you sound the alarm, will people continue to drive?" he wondered, just as many drivers ignore the warning beep of an unbuckled seat belt. Many major highways now have rumble strips on the right side of the road to awaken drifting drivers. But these cannot prevent a startled sleeping driver from overcompensating and crashing. Nor will they stop someone who drifts to the left or plows straight ahead into a slower vehicle or stopped traffic. While the best countermeasure to sleepy driving is to pull off the road and nap, Dr. Dinges noted that "a lot of people don't feel safe doing that." In one survey of women who drive, 95 percent said they would not pull into a rest stop to nap. Furthermore, Dr. Dinges said, rest areas are too few and far between on most roads. "How do we provide frequent safe areas for people to get off the road and sleep, especially those who are driving alone? That is the real public policy issue." A recent study of truck stops revealed 24,000 too few slots for trucks, and the number of trucks on the road continues to increase, Dr. Dinges said. At some truck stops, officers routinely waken drivers and tell them to move on to make room for more trucks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 18:14:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAQNEvO7025858; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:14:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAQNEvt6025843; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:14:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021126231454.48633.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:14:54 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: The next cager you meet might be asleep To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000801c295a0$76cdcce0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A guy I used to work with feel asleep on his bike while on his last hour of an Iron Butt. Of course he wrecked his beemer up pretty bad. Addtionally I've had the girlfriend fall asleep on the back on the bike even in tight twisties, almost falling off the bike! Glenn --- Paul Wilson wrote: > From today's "Science Times" in the New York Times. > While it isn't about > motorcycles, who among us has not become drowsy at > one time or another while > riding our motorcycles? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 21:08:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAR28EO7028919; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:08:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAR28Drg028909; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:08:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20021127020812.16015.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:08:12 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: Well, my R6 is no longer "mint"... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, Sorry to hear of the R6 woes Witold, but wanted to chime in to add to the others' generosity.. I could also squeeze another bike in my garage for a week or so for those who might need that. I'm located in (the center) of Arlington. John Kozyn (D-mode) 1999 SS900 1996 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 22:00:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAR30AO7029444; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 22:00:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAR30ABF029436; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 22:00:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DE43532.6010606@atlantech.net> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 22:00:02 -0500 From: Jim Shoemaker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: The next cager you meet might be asleep References: <000801c295a0$76cdcce0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While still in high school, a group of about 6 of us were coming back from a regional science fair. Our physics teacher was driving back home in his big ol' 1978-ish conversion van. We students were all asleep and then he dozed off at some point, too, with the cruise control on. I was riding shotgun and woke up just as we were heading for the median. We had 2 tires in the gravel and were just about to head down into the drainage area between the lanes. I reached over and grabbed the steering wheel and yanked us back on the road. At that point *everybody* woke up. I don't think I've slept in a moving car since. --Jim Paul Wilson wrote: >>From today's "Science Times" in the New York Times. While it isn't about >motorcycles, who among us has not become drowsy at one time or another while >riding our motorcycles? > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Nov 26 23:53:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAR4r4O7030252; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:53:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAR4r3kI030242; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:53:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DE450F7.34D8C388@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:58:31 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Shoemaker CC: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: The next cager you meet might be asleep References: <000801c295a0$76cdcce0$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3DE43532.6010606@atlantech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heh heh. Reminds me of the fav trick I'd pull during those long interstate midnight trailer hauls to the boat races. Me'n my son usually had a Newbie aboard, and that of course required indoctrination. Wee hours of the morning, van and trailer droning thru the night, Newbie asleep. See rumble strips! Allow van to drift off onto rumble strips. *thuda-thuda-thuda* Newbie would go full wide-eye alert, and me the driver would jerk my head dramatically and go, "Shiiitt, that wake you up TOO?" heeheehee... Bill Jim Shoemaker wrote: > While still in high school, a group of about 6 of us were coming back > from a regional science fair. Our physics teacher was driving back > home in his big ol' 1978-ish conversion van. We students were all > asleep and then he dozed off at some point, too, with the cruise control > on. I was riding shotgun and woke up just as we were heading for the > median. We had 2 tires in the gravel and were just about to head down > into the drainage area between the lanes. I reached over and grabbed > the steering wheel and yanked us back on the road. At that point > *everybody* woke up. I don't think I've slept in a moving car since. > > --Jim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 27 08:11:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gARDB6O7000902; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:11:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gARDB2Vd000882; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:11:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'fish@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: 2 cents worth Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:10:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Locking gas caps on motorcycles are like locking guitar cases.... it's likely that the only time you will REALLY need the key is when you lose it. Been there.... now I just throw the keys away. What's surprising tho' is that the ignition key doesn't unlock your gas cap. My old Beemer cap froze up on me once.... got it off but have never locked it since. Try some of the old Water Displacement test number 40 (WD-40)... that might help if your problems is muck... other than that.... good lock.... I mean luck. gb >Does anyone have any brilliant ideas as to how to get off a fuel filler >cap, sans key? >Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 27 08:25:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gARDPYO7001279; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:25:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gARDPXNF001269; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:25:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'Witold@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: bike Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:24:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Witold, Sorry to hear about your bike... there have been some extremely windy days the last few weeks, which can topple a bike over. Do you have a suitable place to store your bike when you are out of town? That would be the best remedy. Do you live on the ground floor of your apartment complex? Any buddies with garages? Anything other than putting your bike out on the street or parking lot? Can you move? Unfortunately living in certain areas or types of communities can be adverse to owning a M/C, if you are totally committed perhaps your next choice of apartment/condo/townhouse/house should include space for your interests. I've lost a couple of bikes over the years to thieves and they were always in a parking lot at apartment complexes. I got out of apartments and into something with a garage or at least a back plot where I could pull the bike.... I even had one in an apartment for a while, which made for and interesting conversation piece during get togethers... it also blocked off a whole wall for access. But the bikes were out of harms way (weather, thieves, children, dog watering etc). gb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 27 08:43:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gARDhZO7001702; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:43:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gARDhYLa001692; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:43:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14515060@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" , "'pawilson@XXXXXX'" Subject: A beautiful weekend... Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:44:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Paul Wilson wrote: "I explored some new to me back roads north and west of Hyattstown, Md." There are some quiet nice roads north of 270 and west of 27. Nuttin' technical but nice for a nearby swoopy cruise. If you take Price's Distillery Road (gotta love that name) from Clarksburg Road to 75, you'll get to ford a small stream. North of I 70 is similar but less construction (& clay on the road). Le Gore Bridge Road twixt Le Gore and Rocky Ridge is cute. If you don't have a GPS, plunk down $10 for the ADC or Delorme maps (Sam's Club) It ain't W(BG)V or Nawth Carolinah but it's nearby. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 27 08:58:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gARDwwO7002065; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:58:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gARDwvc3002055; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:58:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:09:27 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: A beautiful weekend... In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14515060@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Custer, Carl wrote: > Paul Wilson wrote: > "I explored some new to me back roads north and west of Hyattstown, Md." > There are some quiet nice roads north of 270 and west of 27. Nuttin' > technical but nice for a nearby swoopy cruise. > If you take Price's Distillery Road (gotta love that name) from Clarksburg > Road to 75, you'll get to ford a small stream. > North of I 70 is similar but less construction (& clay on the road). > Le Gore Bridge Road twixt Le Gore and Rocky Ridge is cute. I live on Ijamsville Rd. We have some great roads, just watch out for the bicyclists on the weekends. Why people ride bicycles on narrow 2 lane rural roads with no shoulder amazes me. Anyway, if you guys are going to be in the area for winter rides, drop me a line :-) I'll be happy to meet up or even provide a rest stop for coffee breaks ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 27 09:11:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAREBAO7002428; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:11:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAREB7AR002418; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:11:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a701c2961e$46776410$8e2e2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Wayne Edelen" , "'DCCycles'" References: Subject: Re: A beautiful weekend... Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:07:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Why people ride bicycles on narrow 2 lane > rural roads with no shoulder amazes me. > > For the same reason people ride motorcycles on narrow, winding roads with no shoulders, I expect. :) Paul in DC < Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAREFWO7002753; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:15:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAREFWV5002747; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:15:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3DE4D4C9.B335E1DB@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:20:57 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne Edelen CC: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: A beautiful weekend... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Edelen wrote: > I live on Ijamsville Rd. We have some great roads, just watch out for the > bicyclists on the weekends. Why people ride bicycles on narrow 2 lane > rural roads with no shoulder amazes me. They ride on roads without a shoulder because there IS no shoulder. State DOTs need to take a hint from North Carolina. Most of their picturesque 2-laners have a nice flat shoulder with a solid white line seperated car lane from bike lane. Cage drivers who infringe on the bike lane better have a lotta cash to pay the fine. And water is available, in the rural boondocks, stainless steel canisters on the roadsides, cooled by natural artesian flow. Almost makes me want to put pedals on my Harley. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Nov 27 09:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAREJ2O7003072; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:19:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAREJ1Zg003057; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:19:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:29:30 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: A beautiful weekend... In-Reply-To: <00a701c2961e$46776410$8e2e2c42@D7XFG711> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > Why people ride bicycles on narrow 2 lane > > rural roads with no shoulder amazes me. > >