From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 07:39:03 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 07:38:50 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Beginner Bikes (advice please) To: Cc: Hell...I'll do you one better. I've got pictures and a journal from my uncles grandfather doing a cross-country trip from PA to Washington state on a 1908(?) Indian motorcycle with a couple buddies. =8-0 I think it took them 8 weeks and numerous stops for parts. :-) I've got it all in electronic format at home. Might have to make it into a pdf files one of these days. Scooter In a message dated Wed, 31 Oct 2001 5:49:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rob Winters writes: > At 05:22 PM 10/31/2001, Glenn Dysart wrote: > >Yes it is a 4 but I would have no problems doing these > >long distance rides on my GF's EX500 which is only 2. > > Gee, my dad went all the way to Key West and back solo on a 70's vintage > Honda CB350 Four, complete with milk crate "luggage" holder. :-) The > pistons on that thing are hilarious; they look like they're interchangeable > with model aircraft. > > Had a good time, too, or so he claims,... although I'm sure that's > impossible, since the bike is *well* under 100hp. ;-) > > I think I should definitely do a follow-up trip one of these days on my '80 > CX500, and leave the 1500 Kaw at home! > > /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 08:40:13 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 05:40:12 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Re: Beginner Bikes (advice please) To: DCC Rob wrote... > my dad went all the way to Key West and back solo on > a 70's vintage Honda CB350 Four, complete with milk > crate "luggage" holder. :-) The pistons on that > thing are hilarious; they look like they're > interchangeable with model aircraft. He he. I know nawt about model aircraft, but I do know for a fact that Shovel head valves are too big to fit in a CB350F bore. That was a great starter bike. I think I paid $125 for it. It was painted sort of a flat "Zurn steam boiler" blue, and had some sort of duct tape "muffler" arrangement. When I ran it out of gas, I would have to bang on the carbs with pliers or something, because the floats would stick in the down position, and gas would *pour* all over the street when I filled it. Those were the days... :) Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 09:42:08 2001 To: Subject: Looking for a Moped Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:40:34 -0500 From: Hi all, I'm in the market for a used moped in the price range of $300-600. I'm ready to but right now! I need a moped to commute to my metro stop (free parking). I'd take the VFR, but will be storing it for the winter and would rather put short distance commuting miles on another vehicle. If anyone has any leads please respond to me off the list. Thanks, Jim 2000 VFR with lot's of extras Moped coming soon. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 09:48:15 2001 X-Server-Uuid: c4da1ae6-7048-11d2-bc8e-00a083360239 From: "Lee, Robert" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: National Champions - Re: More Congrats! Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:45:15 -0500 X-WSS-ID: 17FFBF2C610655-01-01 Just wanted to clarify these and add some National Champion addendums if not already posted. I'm in digest mode so I may have missed this, please forgive. Randy won National Champion, Amateur Middleweight Sportsman with his 6th OVERALL finish I won National Champion, Amateur Lightweight Sportsman with a 6th OVERALL finish Steve (currently on a honeymoon.....who knew?) won National Champion, Expert GT Lights. CCS announced they would break out Sportsman classes into Expert and Amateur next year. It would have been nice for them to post the results for the ROC this way! :) aloha From: laura granato To: "Danny Thompson" , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Re: More Congrats! Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:56:20 -0500 On Monday 29 October 2001 10:41, Danny Thompson wrote: > Congrats also go out to: > RANDY NUSBAUM - 6th Middleweight Sportsman, 7th Amateur Lightweight > Superbike (on an old Harley 1200 no less!) > STEVE KEENER- 3rd Expert Lightweight Superbike, 6th Expert Lightweight > Grand Prix > BERNIE HUNTT- 6th Expert Lightweight Superbike, 3rd Heavyweight Sportsman > GRADY ANDERSON- 4th Amateur GT Lights > I second that! I watched these guys race while I was down there, and every one of them should be commended for a job well done! Mid-Atlantic kicks ass! Laura ======================================================= This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 10:23:25 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 09:35:32 -0500 From: "Randy Moran" To: Subject: RE: List of beginner bikes and experienced rider bikes Niv said: Personally I'd take the SV650 off too. I've ridden one in stock form and thought its a lot of fun to ride, it's a bit of a hooligan bike. Maybe it's just me... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm pretty familiar with the SV650 and I'd be leery of recommending it as a beginner bike as well. The power is manageable I guess (only 65-70 hp) but the way that power comes on, especially at low speed, could be a bit of a handful for a beginner. The V-Twin makes it pretty grabby, not something I would have found comforting in my rookie days. V-Twins like the GT650 Hawk, VT500 Ascot, and the old Yamaha Vision 550 are better learner bikes, I think, if you want a V-Twin. I completely agree with the GS500E selection and with the EX500 if you want a little more "sport." An old Interceptor 500 would be super cool as well. One I don't think has been mentioned is the Suzuki GSF400 Bandit. This is a light, flickable, beautiful machine with around 56 HP. The peakiness is good in this case because the power doesn't really kick in until around 10 or 11K of its 14000 rpm redline. So the novice can putter around in the lower revs, as novices are wont to do, until he or she really feels like tearing stuff up, and even when the fuse is lit it's not that bad. Experienced riders usually enjoy this bike as well. RPM From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 10:56:18 2001 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Thanks Andrew Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:54:47 -0500 I'd just like to post a thanks to Andrew Culpepper for making a donation to the RoadRacingWorld Air Fence fund (I happened to notice his name in the latest update... if others have contributed, I don't mean to omit you) John Ulrich started the fund this year to make racing safer for us racers, since the AMA and other orgs kept dragging their feet. Thank you Andrew. Having raced at Poconno and Daytona this year with Formula USA, I'm glad it was in place... concrete walls suck. I've seen any number of people really benefit from having the fence this year. At Road-A last weekend alone, one life was more than likely saved as the rider went head first into the air fence in T4... it would have been a haybail then the wall otherwise. He walked away uninjured. - Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 12:34:46 2001 From: laura granato To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thanks Andrew Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:33:15 -0500 On Thursday 01 November 2001 10:54, Brian Roach wrote: > I'd just like to post a thanks to Andrew Culpepper for making a donation to > the RoadRacingWorld Air Fence fund I second that! It is so cool not only that Andrew contributed to the fund, but I would venture to say he was at every summit race this season cheering us all on. Laura From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 12:52:50 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:00:38 -0500 To: "Dccycles" From: Yi Wah Subject: dc traffic counsel i just got back from overseas and found i had forgotten about responding to a dc moving violation. if somebody can recommend a lawyer or feels qualified to advise please do so. i'm worried as va has suddenly stepped up ticket enforcement and i have first hand knowledge, well actually experience, of this which unfortunately means my license/insurance rates are now in danger. i really wish the simplicity of changing some commuter roads limits from 45 to 25 was apparent to our legislators. anyway for somebody who's never caused an accident and had a clean record from day of license till my recent ticket spree i'm a bit overwhelmed and a lot worried. thanks all. the ticket: i was driving a friend home from dc to va late thurs. night. we had to pass through the mall area to get to 395. i do not know dc well was having a hard time navigating. this was greatly exacerbated by none of the street lights being on. i've noticed that this seems to happen occasionally around dc. and since we were by the mall there we're no houselights or otherwise to brighten up a black night. my passenger directed me to drive towards the washington monument and make a left when i couldn't go any further, then 395 would be on the right. but instead of going left when i should have i thought the road continued and took the same path the maintenance trucks probably take to get to the monument. since there was no sign, barrier, or curb and visibility was nil we didn't even notice that we weren't on the road until the trees closed on. immediately realizing the mistake i slowed to 5 mph and turned onto the path which looked like it lead to the road. just as we pulled onto the road a park police cruiser pulled us over. i was very nice - asking permission to remove my hands from the wheel to get out my wallet and papers. we were polite and apologetic for making such a goofy mistake while also pointing out that the lights were all out. the officer obviously noted all this as she waved off backup when another car came and didn't make us exit the car or take sobriety tests, she also noticed that the lights were all out. we were thankful that she didn't hassle us too much in light of recent events, she even joked how this was a really bad time to mess up as i had. she did write a ticket, which she forgot to have me sign and sent us on our way. later when i tried to read the ticket it was illegible since the pp officer hadn't pressed hard enough. prior to leaving the country i called the dmv repeatedly to get more information on the ticket i was alwys told the ticket was not in the system and to call back. the website ticket lookup produced the same results. now this. what to do? From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 13:10:27 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:10:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: dc traffic counsel To: Yi Wah , Dccycles Kevin Goldberg, Esq. Goldberg & Finnegan 301 589-2999 Lawyers aren't cheap, even in a traffic violation situation. But, if you decide to call him, please tell him that I referred you to him. Thanks. --- Yi Wah wrote: > i just got back from overseas and found i had forgotten > about responding to > a dc moving violation. if somebody can recommend a lawyer > or feels > qualified to advise please do so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 13:18:05 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Yi Wah" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: dc traffic counsel Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:20:16 -0500 I think your problem may be that DC DMV only adjudicates _parking_ tickets, not moving violations. A division of the Superior Court, not DMV's kangaroo court adjudication system, has authority over moving violations. Whether the ticket is illegible or not, it should have instructions on it (on the back probably) for dealing with it. Contact the court division that has jurisdiction. It looks like you got off easy, considering heightened security, and they didn't treat you like a mad bomber. Unfortunately I can't help with counsel, but don't just blow this off. I've never deal with a moving violation "up close and personal" in DC. Perhaps someone who has can give better guidance. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yi Wah" > i just got back from overseas and found i had forgotten about responding to > a dc moving violation. if somebody can recommend a lawyer or feels > qualified to advise please do so. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 13:26:52 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:26:50 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Fwd: 93 GS500E for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX If anyone is looking for a delightful bike to get started on (or to find the fun in small bikes) check it out... --- Olivier Gerouville wrote: > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:48:14 -0800 > Reply-to: suzuki-gs-twin@XXXXXX > From: "Olivier Gerouville" > To: SUZUKI-GS-TWIN Mailing List > > Subject: 93 GS500E for sale > > Hello everybody, > > I have been off the list for a while now due to a > trip in Europe. > Now it looks like I will be staying there for a few > years, and I am selling > all my belongings that are still in Atlanta, GA. > > 1993 GS500E for sale: > - good engine running well. > - small oil leak starting by the gear shift. I have > a replacement gasket > that will go with the bike (have not had time to put > it on). > - 30,000 miles. > - K&N air filter + Cobra F1 exhaust. > - some scratches from drop by previous owner. > - some scratches from a drop while not moving > (yeah,I'm talented!!) > - asking $1,200 OBO > > I will be in Atlanta from November 11 to November > 24. > > Anyone wants to buy a 1998 Subaru Legacy wagon? > > Thanks, > > Olivier > '99 VFR800fi > '93 GS500E > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 13:42:55 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:42:06 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Fwd: 93 GS500E for sale At 01:26 PM 11/1/2001, matthew patton wrote: >If anyone is looking for a delightful bike to get >started on (or to find the fun in small bikes) check >it out... In Atlanta? Gee, ... er, ... Thanks? :-) /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 13:43:56 2001 From: Patti Rodgers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: dc traffic counsel Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:43:54 EST I've dealt with the DC DMV on more than one occasion (and it's not that bad--- actually, VA is worse in my opinion). If you want to pay the ticket you can call 202-727-1000 which is the Mayor's Command Center; they can tell you if you need to go to 301 C Street NW or to 65 K Street NE to pay the ticket. They keep changing where they do stuff like that. Make sure to tell the person on the phone that the payment date already passed. You can also pay it by mail but if your license is suspended you want to take care of it in person and get like 5 reciepts! If you don't want to pay it--- if you want to contest it--- you have to go to 65 K Street NE to set up a hearing. They do have cops patrolling that area watching people leave the DMV so if your license is suspended already you should definitely take Metro! I know two people who've gotten busted this way! You may also be able to set up a hearing over the phone or by mail; I'm not sure. Unless it's a really major ticket, you may want to just pay it. DC DMV has come under a lot of fire lately about contested tickets (it basically used to be if you showed up, the cop wouldn't or the judge wouldn't and they'd let you go) so most of them these days actually stick. So why throw some lawyer's fees on top too? -patti From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 14:31:37 2001 From: Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 14:30:15 -0500 Subject: Re: dc traffic counsel To: yroberts@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 11/01/2001 02:30:26 PM OK. Couple of comments. 1) What police agency was this? You mention a DC moving violation, but cite a Park Police Cruiser. If it is the park police, you are dealing with the feds and not DC. 2) Why do you need a lawyer? Are you contesting it? I believe that if it is a federal moving violation it is only a monetary fine and no points to your license. When I got nailed for speeding on the BRP by the Park police, it was a flat $70 fine and no points to my Va (at the time) license. 3) I think your first step should be to call them and figure out the process ... read the violation for instructions. Good Luck, --chris Yi Wah on 11/01/2001 01:00:38 PM To: Dccycles cc: Subject: dc traffic counsel i just got back from overseas and found i had forgotten about responding to a dc moving violation. if somebody can recommend a lawyer or feels --snip just as we pulled onto the road a park police cruiser pulled us over. --snip ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 15:37:39 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 15:45:24 -0500 To: Dccycles From: Yi Wah Subject: Re: dc traffic counsel tom i'll be calling kevin if i can't find something better, meaning do it myself, in the next day. paul i know your right about the parking tickets - what an expensive unrewarding habit. you mentioned superior court but the ticket which is definitely a "district of columbia notice of infraction" has a box for superior court moving vilations and the same for dmv moving violations. nothing is checked in either catergory but in the dmv box under code she wrote in 1050 or 1851. can't really tell. the directions for addressing it are on the back it's just that when i tried to figure out what i was addressing the dmv could not provide any info and now the time to follow the directions on the back have come and gone. i do consider not spending a night on a cot to be very fortunate i think having a green id, and being polite helped with that. i will definitely not be ignoring this - driving and riding are one the the best legal pleasures a person can enjoy. btw i think you might have taught my msf class @ nova, alexandria campus. patti i'd love to just pay it - even though the fine with penalty is now $200 - if i would know that it will not put points on my va record. i'm pretty sure paying the ticket guarantees a quickly worn metro pass in the wallet. which doesn't work so great getting to the tree stand! appreciate the tips about getting to k st geez way to protect and serve mpd!> not so good to heart about less forgiveness on contested tickets. life w/o a car is alwys something i've wanted to try - but on my own terms. chris that same thing about pp wriing a dc ticket confused me also. but it's clearly a dc ticket. from what you've said i really wish it was a federal matter, really weird to wish something was a "federal matter." do you remember if you pp ticket went through superior court or dmv? both of the boxes have speeding bullets. thanks for the words all. if somebody is sure their lawyer can beat up tom's lawyer lemme know. any other thoughts? From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 16:17:38 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Yi Wah" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: dc traffic counsel Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:19:11 -0500 Sounds like you need a consultation with an attorney to explain the process to you and to help you navigate this thicket. If $200 will make this all go away, I would consider it money well spent and move on. Perhaps a letter explaining your absence from the country as the reason for late payment will grease the bureaucratic cogs. Good luck, Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yi Wah" > > paul i know your right about the parking tickets - what an expensive > unrewarding habit. you mentioned superior court but the ticket which is > definitely a "district of columbia notice of infraction" has a box for > superior court moving vilations and the same for dmv moving violations. > nothing is checked in either catergory but in the dmv box under code she > wrote in 1050 or 1851. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 19:47:19 2001 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: Ride Sunday! Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:47:10 -0500 Im heading out to WV this sunday if the weather is decent(no rain, if it rains i will do a shorter trip). If anyone is interested lets meet at Barnes and Noble in Rockville pike. Last weekend i was in Seneca rocks and it did snow a little. So you probably need to bring some warm clothes because we will be in some chilly places. Electric clothing is a good option. Barnes & Noble Booksellers 12089 Rockville Pike Rockville, MD . We will meet right in front of the barnes and noble parking lot. Be gased up and ready to ride. We will meet at around there at 8:00am. leave at 8:30am. The intended route is 340 south, 33 west, 219 north, 50 west. It should be an all day ride. This is a pretty twisty ride, but the pace will not be a racing pace, no one is permitted to crash. Cheers Ricardo you can email me for further info From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 20:17:32 2001 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:17:29 -0500 From: Do Yin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: non-moving violation, misplaced ticket Two Mondays ago we were on 250 heading south from W.va into VA and what do we see? A state trooper road block out in the middle of nowhere, VA. I ended up with a ticket for not having a state inspection sticker. I misplaced this ticket but I do know that it was in Highland county. Is there a state number or DMV number I can call that will have a record of this extor... I mean, ticket so that I can pay it and get it behind me? Or can I get my bike inspected and submit that as evidence that it was inspected (after the fact) and get the fine dropped? Someone told me this was possible. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 20:42:38 2001 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: Lawyer info Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:42:30 -0500 A friend of mine was hit on his motorcycle by a drunk driver in D.c. Can anyone recommend a lawyer experienced in cases like this? Ricardo From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 21:50:50 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:50:48 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: non-moving violation, misplaced ticket To: Do Yin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX If you want to prepay it you'll have to call the Highland County courthouse to find out the ticket number and then pay it. You proabably could go to court and get the charge droppped but why bother, its a non-moving violation and I think its only a $25 ticket plus court costs. You'd easily pay that for your time and expense getting back down there. Glenn --- Do Yin wrote: > Two Mondays ago we were on 250 heading south from > W.va into VA and what > do we see? A state trooper road block out in the > middle of nowhere, > VA. I ended up with a ticket for not having a state > inspection sticker. > > I misplaced this ticket but I do know that it was in > Highland county. > Is there a state number or DMV number I can call > that will have a record > of this extor... I mean, ticket so that I can pay it > and get it behind > me? > Or can I get my bike inspected and submit that as > evidence that it was > inspected (after the fact) and get the fine dropped? > Someone told me > this was possible. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 22:03:21 2001 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:03:13 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Lawyer info To: Ricardo Pontes , Dccycles where does your friend live? i'll have a number of suggestions for him.... --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > > > A friend of mine was hit on his motorcycle by a drunk > driver in D.c. Can > anyone recommend a lawyer experienced in cases like this? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 1 22:30:14 2001 From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Battery Tender Plus Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 22:31:16 -0500 Hey, Where can I find the best deal on a Battery Tender Plus (suitable for a gel battery)? On-line, walk-in, mail order, I don't care, but just looking for a good deal. Thanks. Howard J. Koontz, in D-mode. 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 08:48:18 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 05:48:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: non-moving violation, misplaced ticket To: Glenn Dysart , Do Yin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey, I though the legality of roadblocks was questionable. If they are allowed, I though that it was only for alcohol/drug checks.... Lawyers? --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > If you want to prepay it you'll have to call the > Highland County courthouse to find out the ticket > number and then pay it. You proabably could go to > court and get the charge droppped but why bother, > its > a non-moving violation and I think its only a $25 > ticket plus court costs. You'd easily pay that for > your time and expense getting back down there. > > Glenn > > --- Do Yin wrote: > > Two Mondays ago we were on 250 heading south from > > W.va into VA and what > > do we see? A state trooper road block out in the > > middle of nowhere, > > VA. I ended up with a ticket for not having a > state > > inspection sticker. > > > > I misplaced this ticket but I do know that it was > in > > Highland county. > > Is there a state number or DMV number I can call > > that will have a record > > of this extor... I mean, ticket so that I can pay > it > > and get it behind > > me? > > Or can I get my bike inspected and submit that as > > evidence that it was > > inspected (after the fact) and get the fine > dropped? > > Someone told me > > this was possible. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 09:30:17 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 09:23:04 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Mark Kitchell CC: Glenn Dysart , Do Yin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: non-moving violation, misplaced ticket Roadblocks for stop-and-check property tax and inspection stickers aren't uncommon in Virginia. Although they're usually not "roadblocks", just slow down zones were eagle-eyed law officers wave you over if they can't see the stickers. Bill Mark Kitchell wrote: > Hey, I though the legality of roadblocks was > questionable. If they are allowed, I though that it > was only for alcohol/drug checks.... > > Lawyers? > > --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > > If you want to prepay it you'll have to call the > > Highland County courthouse to find out the ticket > > number and then pay it. You proabably could go to > > court and get the charge droppped but why bother, > > its > > a non-moving violation and I think its only a $25 > > ticket plus court costs. You'd easily pay that for > > your time and expense getting back down there. > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Do Yin wrote: > > > Two Mondays ago we were on 250 heading south from > > > W.va into VA and what > > > do we see? A state trooper road block out in the > > > middle of nowhere, > > > VA. I ended up with a ticket for not having a > > state > > > inspection sticker. > > > > > > I misplaced this ticket but I do know that it was > > in > > > Highland county. > > > Is there a state number or DMV number I can call > > > that will have a record > > > of this extor... I mean, ticket so that I can pay > > it > > > and get it behind > > > me? > > > Or can I get my bike inspected and submit that as > > > evidence that it was > > > inspected (after the fact) and get the fine > > dropped? > > > Someone told me > > > this was possible. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Find a job, post your resume. > > http://careers.yahoo.com > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 09:39:10 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 06:39:08 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: non-moving violation, misplaced ticket To: "William J. Huson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Bleah! That really sounds like pushing the envelope. --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Roadblocks for stop-and-check property tax and > inspection stickers > aren't uncommon in Virginia. Although they're > usually not "roadblocks", > just slow down zones were eagle-eyed law officers > wave you over if they > can't see the stickers. > > Bill > > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > Hey, I though the legality of roadblocks was > > questionable. If they are allowed, I though that > it > > was only for alcohol/drug checks.... > > > > Lawyers? > > > > --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > If you want to prepay it you'll have to call the > > > Highland County courthouse to find out the > ticket > > > number and then pay it. You proabably could go > to > > > court and get the charge droppped but why > bother, > > > its > > > a non-moving violation and I think its only a > $25 > > > ticket plus court costs. You'd easily pay that > for > > > your time and expense getting back down there. > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > --- Do Yin wrote: > > > > Two Mondays ago we were on 250 heading south > from > > > > W.va into VA and what > > > > do we see? A state trooper road block out in > the > > > > middle of nowhere, > > > > VA. I ended up with a ticket for not having a > > > state > > > > inspection sticker. > > > > > > > > I misplaced this ticket but I do know that it > was > > > in > > > > Highland county. > > > > Is there a state number or DMV number I can > call > > > > that will have a record > > > > of this extor... I mean, ticket so that I can > pay > > > it > > > > and get it behind > > > > me? > > > > Or can I get my bike inspected and submit that > as > > > > evidence that it was > > > > inspected (after the fact) and get the fine > > > dropped? > > > > Someone told me > > > > this was possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Find a job, post your resume. > > > http://careers.yahoo.com > > > > ===== > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Find a job, post your resume. > > http://careers.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 09:42:17 2001 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Beginner Bikes Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:44:20 -0500 Amazing what's on the Web: http://www.beginnerbikes.com Recommendations for new bikes. Personally, I'd go with a used standard. After a year in the saddle, you'd have a better idea what you need and want plus, more dosh in your pocket to fulfill your desire. (wow, I just wrote a country song ;^) Jay Block volunteered, "Okay, I can help. I have a very good recipe for squirrel. You have to marinate them first though so they don't taste, well, squirrely. Let me know. Jay" Skin, gut, trim, salt, roll in corn meal, and fry. If it's tough, throw it in the bean/stew pot for tomorrow. In the Fall, most will be meaty but tough. +"Squirrel stew" +recipe in your favorite search engine should give you more ideas. Carl in Bethesda "There was little danger of me being separated from the bike as substantial seat leather was firmly clenched between my hairy cheeks" Ed R From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 09:53:33 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: non-moving violation, misplaced ticket Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:55:41 -0500 Actually the roadblock "courtesy inspection" tactic was routine in Ohio where I grew up. There was no annual statewide inspection system for vehicles, yet there are all sorts of safety regs. on the books. So, the Highway Patrol set up roadblocks for vehicle inspectors, usually out in the country somewhere. If you had a late model car, you got waved through unless there's something obviously wrong. Older cars (my parents drove 'em 'til they dropped) got pulled over for a complete work-up of brakes, steering (free play), tires, suspension (they'd jump on your bumper), chassis (look for rust holes), lights, horn, etc. They'd give you a citation and 30 days to get any deficiencies corrected, otherwise you had to turn in your plates or some such. If you passed you got a sticker that allowed you to pass future roadblocks for a year or two. That said, getting stopped was very rare. I drove a beater VW bug for several years and never passed through a roadblock. Seems like my parents got stopped all the time though. Go figure. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Glenn Dysart" ; "Do Yin" ; Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 8:48 AM Subject: Re: non-moving violation, misplaced ticket > Hey, I though the legality of roadblocks was > questionable. If they are allowed, I though that it > was only for alcohol/drug checks.... > > Lawyers? From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 10:06:06 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 07:06:05 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Traffic Ticket To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Apparently in Virginia, if you are traveling at a speed above 80 mph (not too hard to do on I95), it is considered "reckless driving," a Class I criminal misdemeanor (same as DUI). I got pegged for 83 mph in a 65 mph zone in Caroline County VA. Court date is November 7. Otherwise, I have a clean driving record. Anyone have recommendations? (attorney, plea, etc.) Thanks, Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 10:22:47 2001 From: "Wimer, Peter" To: "'Aaron'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Traffic Ticket Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:21:45 -0500 My wife was pulled over doing 91 in a 55 out in Washington, VA. She was driving a car, not a motorcycle, but I suspect the charge is the same. She went to the hearing and was allowed to simply pay the court costs providing she took the Driver Improvement course within 6 months. All she had to do was fax a copy of the certificate from the course and the charge was dropped completely. Ever traffic court I have been too in VA, they have always allowed some sort of plea bargain with the exception of DUI, etc. Pete Wimer peter.wimer@XXXXXX what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? -----Original Message----- From: Aaron [mailto:jarvis22201@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:06 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Traffic Ticket Apparently in Virginia, if you are traveling at a speed above 80 mph (not too hard to do on I95), it is considered "reckless driving," a Class I criminal misdemeanor (same as DUI). I got pegged for 83 mph in a 65 mph zone in Caroline County VA. Court date is November 7. Otherwise, I have a clean driving record. Anyone have recommendations? (attorney, plea, etc.) Thanks, Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 10:34:34 2001 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Traffic Ticket Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:33:28 -0500 In VA over 80mph or 20mph over the posted speed limit CAN be reckless, it's up to the officer. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron [mailto:jarvis22201@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:06 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Traffic Ticket Apparently in Virginia, if you are traveling at a speed above 80 mph (not too hard to do on I95), it is considered "reckless driving," a Class I criminal misdemeanor (same as DUI). I got pegged for 83 mph in a 65 mph zone in Caroline County VA. Court date is November 7. Otherwise, I have a clean driving record. Anyone have recommendations? (attorney, plea, etc.) Thanks, Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 10:39:46 2001 Subject: RE: Battery Tender Plus From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:41:49 -0500 To: "hofojoko@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Haven't seen too much price variation for a Battery Tender Plus either online or mail order (both of which are cheaper than buying it at a local store, but by how much depends on the additional shipping costs -- it may end up only being marginal and not necessarily worth the few dollars saved if you want one NOW). Chapparal and Dennis Kirk come to mind as places to try. An alternative is to get the YUASA battery charger/tender, which is at least as good if not better (FWIW I got one). Best price I've seen (before shipping) is: http://www.tireexpress.com/acb/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Product_ID=1259&CATID=16 >From what I can tell, they are the exact same thing and the YUASA may be "better" because it's 5-stage charging vs. 3-stages for a Battery Tender. http://www.yuasabatteries.com/accessories.asp Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Howard J. Koontz HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 22:31:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Battery Tender Plus Hey, Where can I find the best deal on a Battery Tender Plus (suitable for a gel battery)? On-line, walk-in, mail order, I don't care, but just looking for a good deal. Thanks. Howard J. Koontz, in D-mode. 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 10:56:06 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:55:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Traffic Ticket ...Reckless driving ticket > November 7. Otherwise, I have a clean driving record. > Anyone have recommendations? (attorney, plea, etc.) > Get a lawyer. Might not sound affordable, but will, in the long run, help your pocketbook by saving on insurance, etc. -- "Find the Cost of Freedom, Buried in the Ground, Mother Earth will Swallow you, Lay Your Body Down." -- CSN and sometimes Y From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 11:03:31 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:03:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Traffic Ticket On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Wimer, Peter wrote: > My wife was pulled over doing 91 in a 55 out in Washington, VA. She was > driving a car, not a motorcycle, but I suspect the charge is the same. She > went to the hearing and was allowed to simply pay the court costs providing > she took the Driver Improvement course within 6 months. All she had to do You can, btw, take this class pre-emptively, but I'd still get representation. The DMV's website has some info on where to take the classes at: http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/drivers/pcbased.asp -- "Find the Cost of Freedom, Buried in the Ground, Mother Earth will Swallow you, Lay Your Body Down." -- CSN and sometimes Y From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 11:08:13 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:08:11 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Traffic Ticket To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX The judge in Washington is very nice, but probably not typical. He cleared me of a reckless due to a moto accident (just me) on Rt 211. Said that "sometimes accidents just aren't your fault." Class act. --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Wimer, Peter wrote: > > My wife was pulled over doing 91 in a 55 out in > Washington, VA. She was > > driving a car, not a motorcycle, but I suspect the > charge is the same. She > > went to the hearing and was allowed to simply pay > the court costs providing > > she took the Driver Improvement course within 6 > months. All she had to do > > You can, btw, take this class pre-emptively, but I'd > still get > representation. The DMV's website has some info on > where to take the > classes at: > http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/drivers/pcbased.asp > > > > > -- > "Find the Cost of Freedom, Buried in the Ground, > Mother Earth will Swallow you, Lay Your Body Down." > -- CSN and sometimes Y > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 11:11:00 2001 Subject: RE: Re: non-moving violation, misplaced ticket From: "sdave@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:11:02 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Actually the roadblock "courtesy inspection" tactic was routine in Ohio where I grew up. as I recall, USSC ruled that sobriety checkpoints & random or 100$ sobriety checks WERE constitutional because the compelling need of LE outweighed the "relatively minor" incursion on 4th & 5th amendment protections. That said, I think the ONLY roadblock, random detention or other traffic stop that was ever thrown out by the Rehnquist court was the random drug stop with the drug dogs. Roadblocks are fishing expeditions by traffic cops for $$$ or easy arrests to pad their resumes. 99.9% of traffic stops result in nothing or a traffic ticket only. The thing to remember is you're only obligated to show proof of lincensing (especially in VA, or they'll haul you off to jail if you don't), registration, and insurance. Additionally, at the stop, if the cop notices any inspection violations, your vehicle can be detained. Otherwise, you're not obligated to answer any questions. IF you choose not to, it's an instant signal to the cop to go over your entire vehicle, etc to find a reason to write you a ti ket, so be polite. VA appeals & SC decision text is searchable & online linked off the www.state.va.us site, and has some interesting info on 'illegal search & seizure'. HTH Dave Yates -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 11:14:52 2001 From: "Pejman Taei" To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Traffic Ticket Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 11:02:33 -0500 Exactly, unfortunatly I was being stupid one night, and I was going about 100Mph on GW Parkway with an automobile, I got stopped by a Park Police in Alexandria jurisdiction, and I was issued 2 tickets, one $6000 dollar ticket for Reckless Driving, and 2 going 81mph in a 35mph zone. I got a good lawyer for about $1000, and got off the ticket for $500. They dropped the reckless and charged me with the speeding ticket (6 points). It was definitly one of the most stupid things I have ever done, but I learned my lesson. MY QUESTION is I am a MD resident, so everytime insurance runs my record they never find out about the VA ticket, is this because VA issues 6 Samartian points (Positive Points) and after 6 points they transfer? What is the deal with points trasfering, are my 6 points going to finally transfer from VA to MD, this ticket was issued almost 9 months ago. Thanks, Pejman. >From: RichH@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Traffic Ticket >Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:33:28 -0500 > >In VA over 80mph or 20mph over the posted speed limit CAN be reckless, it's >up to the officer. > > -----Original Message----- >From: Aaron [mailto:jarvis22201@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:06 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Traffic Ticket > >Apparently in Virginia, if you are traveling at a >speed above 80 mph (not too hard to do on I95), it is >considered "reckless driving," a Class I criminal >misdemeanor (same as DUI). I got pegged for 83 mph in >a 65 mph zone in Caroline County VA. Court date is >November 7. Otherwise, I have a clean driving record. > Anyone have recommendations? (attorney, plea, etc.) > >Thanks, > >Aaron > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Find a job, post your resume. >http://careers.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 11:19:59 2001 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Traffic Ticket Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:18:57 -0500 In my experience taking the class before will lower the charge not drop the charge, which is always my goal. Outside of Fairfax always nicely ask for Traffic School. I actually got to trade traffic school for a stop sign citation in Fairfax about a year ago and the traffic school teacher I had said it was very rare a Fairfax judge will give Traffic School to an adult. I was pulled over in Stafford about 5 years ago and to start the court session the judge said every one that was pulled over for speeding and wants to go to traffic school to get it dismissed form a line here. I personally don't recommend a lawyer. I'd get a book, like A Speeders Guide to Avoiding Tickets, which I got years back at a local Crown Books, most of the book is how to talk the officer or if you have to the judge out of the ticket. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel H. Brown [mailto:brown@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:03 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Traffic Ticket On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Wimer, Peter wrote: > My wife was pulled over doing 91 in a 55 out in Washington, VA. She was > driving a car, not a motorcycle, but I suspect the charge is the same. She > went to the hearing and was allowed to simply pay the court costs providing > she took the Driver Improvement course within 6 months. All she had to do You can, btw, take this class pre-emptively, but I'd still get representation. The DMV's website has some info on where to take the classes at: http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/drivers/pcbased.asp -- "Find the Cost of Freedom, Buried in the Ground, Mother Earth will Swallow you, Lay Your Body Down." -- CSN and sometimes Y From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 11:21:31 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:21:29 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: RE: Traffic Ticket To: Pejman Taei , RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX $6000 ticket? Wow Can you give us some details on this? How did they catch you. What did they do? --- Pejman Taei wrote: > Exactly, unfortunatly I was being stupid one night, > and I was going about > 100Mph on GW Parkway with an automobile, I got > stopped by a Park Police in > Alexandria jurisdiction, and I was issued 2 tickets, > one $6000 dollar ticket > for Reckless Driving, and 2 going 81mph in a 35mph > zone. I got a good > lawyer for about $1000, and got off the ticket for > $500. They dropped the > reckless and charged me with the speeding ticket (6 > points). It was > definitly one of the most stupid things I have ever > done, but I learned my > lesson. MY QUESTION is I am a MD resident, so > everytime insurance runs my > record they never find out about the VA ticket, is > this because VA issues 6 > Samartian points (Positive Points) and after 6 > points they transfer? What > is the deal with points trasfering, are my 6 points > going to finally > transfer from VA to MD, this ticket was issued > almost 9 months ago. Thanks, > Pejman. > > > >From: RichH@XXXXXX > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: Traffic Ticket > >Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:33:28 -0500 > > > >In VA over 80mph or 20mph over the posted speed > limit CAN be reckless, it's > >up to the officer. > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Aaron [mailto:jarvis22201@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:06 AM > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Traffic Ticket > > > >Apparently in Virginia, if you are traveling at a > >speed above 80 mph (not too hard to do on I95), it > is > >considered "reckless driving," a Class I criminal > >misdemeanor (same as DUI). I got pegged for 83 mph > in > >a 65 mph zone in Caroline County VA. Court date is > >November 7. Otherwise, I have a clean driving > record. > > Anyone have recommendations? (attorney, plea, > etc.) > > > >Thanks, > > > >Aaron > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Find a job, post your resume. > >http://careers.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 11:35:57 2001 Subject: RE: RE: Traffic Ticket From: "sdave@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:38:08 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Exactly, unfortunatly I was being stupid one night, and I was going about 100Mph on GW Parkway with an automobile, I got stopped by a Park Police in Alexandria jurisdiction, and I was issued 2 tickets, one $6000 dollar ticket for Reckless Driving, and 2 going 81mph in a 35mph zone. US PP may enforce local / state law, but IIRC, tickets on park property or roads are federal offenses. I am not familiar with federal tickets being in the "driver's licence compact" - the agreement between the 50 states to share driving record info. I got a good lawyer for about $1000, and got off the ticket for $500. They dropped the reckless and charged me with the speeding ticket (6 points). ... Was this in Federal court ? MY QUESTION is I am a MD resident, so everytime insurance runs my record they never find out about the VA ticket, is this because VA issues 6 Samartian points (Positive Points) and after 6 points they transfer? What is the deal with points trasfering, are my 6 points going to finally transfer from VA to MD, this ticket was issued almost 9 months ago. Thanks, Pejman. All 50 states share driving record info, period, or they don't get federal highway funds. That said it is still possible to have a ticket 'slip through the cracks'. As I said above, I'm not familiar with federal tickets. HTH. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 12:11:11 2001 From: Brian Roach To: Aaron , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Traffic Ticket Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:09:35 -0500 On Friday 02 November 2001 10:06, Aaron wrote: > Apparently in Virginia, if you are traveling at a > speed above 80 mph (not too hard to do on I95), it is > considered "reckless driving," 20mph over the posted limit, or 80mph (nice of them to add that for extra income on I95 in 65mph zones). It's the officer's call - it isn't automatic. Were you issued a ticket for reckless driving or not? If you weren't, it's not reckless. If you were issued a reckless ticket, get a lawyer.... if the judge is in a bad mood that day, you could be hosed. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 14:11:12 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:11:10 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Re: Traffic Ticket To: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Actually it is automatic, according to the statute. Anything over 80 is reckless . . . no discretion. Now, there is another statutory provision which describes reckless driving as "wanton and willful disregard of safety" and which is discretionary, but it is not that section under which I was ticketed. So ponder this . . . driving 15 mph over the speed limit (on a clear dry day with light traffic in a vehicle which can easily maintain control accelerating to, at, and decelerating from that speed) is, according to the Commonwealth, of the same degree of reprehensibility of driving while impaired (as well as lane splitting, for that matter). Revenue generation indeed! The actual statute: M-' 46.2-862. Exceeding speed limit. A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who drives a motor vehicle on the highways in the Commonwealth (i) at a speed of twenty miles per hour or more in excess of the applicable maximum speed limit where the applicable speed limit is thirty miles per hour or less, (ii) at a speed of sixty miles per hour or more where the applicable maximum speed limit is thirty-five miles per hour, (iii) at a speed of twenty miles per hour or more in excess of the applicable maximum speed limits where the applicable maximum speed limit is forty miles per hour or more, or (iv) in excess of eighty miles per hour regardless of the applicable maximum speed limit. --- Brian Roach wrote: > On Friday 02 November 2001 10:06, Aaron wrote: > > Apparently in Virginia, if you are traveling at a > > speed above 80 mph (not too hard to do on I95), it > is > > considered "reckless driving," > > 20mph over the posted limit, or 80mph (nice of them > to add that for extra > income on I95 in 65mph zones). It's the officer's > call - it isn't automatic. > Were you issued a ticket for reckless driving or > not? If you weren't, it's > not reckless. > > If you were issued a reckless ticket, get a > lawyer.... if the judge is in a > bad mood that day, you could be hosed. > > - Roach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 14:51:13 2001 Subject: FOR SALE '01 GSXR 750 From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:51:22 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" CC: "knimmo@XXXXXX" I am posting this for a friend (not on the list). DO NOT respond to me. His email is knimmo@XXXXXX and his is cc'ed. 2001 GSX-R 750 Blue/white 0 miles All stock Immaculate $8900 Call Kim at 703.298.8295 or 301.309.2075. Will assist with, but not pay for, delivery. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 18:11:08 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 18:10:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Yuasa charger Someone recommended Tire Express as the cheapest source for $47.99 + 5 shipping. MAW only charges $36.95. -- Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 19:27:00 2001 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 19:20:30 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Aaron CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Traffic Ticket whoo! They're getting tough on ?crime? in VA. When young an' frisky I collected a few over 80 tickets, paid a fine, save for North Cakalaki where I was made an outlaw - not allowed to drive there for two years unless I filed SR-22 (security risk) insurance. Being a fine upstanding citizen I screwed a set of NJ tags on my car, fudged the exoiration date on the expired NJ registration, moved my NJ driving permit (one of four I had at the time) to the front of the stack and VAROOMMM - yeesss... Rock & Roll!!! Bill Aaron wrote: > Apparently in Virginia, if you are traveling at a > speed above 80 mph (not too hard to do on I95), it is > considered "reckless driving," a Class I criminal > misdemeanor (same as DUI). I got pegged for 83 mph in > a 65 mph zone in Caroline County VA. Court date is > November 7. Otherwise, I have a clean driving record. > Anyone have recommendations? (attorney, plea, etc.) > > Thanks, > > Aaron > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 2 21:00:27 2001 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:00:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Traffic Ticket To: Aaron , dc-cycles@XXXXXX if you're interested, on monday i'll find you an experienced caroline county criminal defense attorney. if i were you, i'd get my speedo calibrated. hopefully it reads 4mph low at that speed. if so, no lawyer needed. --- Aaron wrote: > Apparently in Virginia, if you are traveling at a > speed above 80 mph (not too hard to do on I95), it is > considered "reckless driving," a Class I criminal > misdemeanor (same as DUI). I got pegged for 83 mph in > a 65 mph zone in Caroline County VA. Court date is > November 7. Otherwise, I have a clean driving record. > Anyone have recommendations? 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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D5_019D9532.0AA53220 Selected Accomplishments Installed IOA Control-M/R/D & T versions 5.0 & 5.04 on multiple LPARM-^Rs of the NIH OS/390 mainframes. Installed & implemented RACF security exits on all IOA products. Assisted CIT RACF Administrator security access planning & implementation of M-^Qpseudo program pathingM-^R to enhance IOA product security. Collaborated with CIT Systems staff to correct software functionality issues caused by non-standard JES II environment at NIH. 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weeks ago, and i couldn't believe it when they gave him a ticket for reckless even though it was a single vehicle accident. no witnesses. btw, anyone want to head down to thorntons gap/sperryville tomorrow mid afternoon for a quick spin? i have to pick up my car from the shop so i won't be able to ride in the morning, but a trip down to sperryville and back after lunch would be cool. call me 703-569-8074. > Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:08:11 -0800 (PST) > From: Mark Kitchell > Subject: RE: Traffic Ticket > To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > The judge in Washington is very nice, but probably not > typical. > > He cleared me of a reckless due to a moto accident > (just me) on Rt 211. Said that "sometimes accidents > just aren't your fault." Class act. From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 3 00:05:03 2001 From: "John Kozyn" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Day of the Dead Report Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 23:53:52 -0500 Greeting DC Guys 'n Gals, Everyone was still alive when I saw them last and when I arrived home it was with 445 miles on the odo. A manageable group of seven left Marshall this morning and we had - as you must know - really nice mostly sunny weather the whole day. Tom Gimer led me, Randy Moran, George Cole (nice meeting you two guys), Bruce Norton and the Jordans (pM-hre et fils). Here's a quick wrap-up of the route which got modified a bit: 17-647-635-B522-628-211-231-230-33 west (up and down a couple of gaps) -back to 810-250-64-250 (a bit too congested in Waynesboro and Staunton) and then 220 north to 33 east to I-81 to 211 to 29 to I-66 home. 33 was my favorite road today and 250 a close second. It might have been lots better if one of the three LEOs we saw wasnt stuck in front of us. Dang. And 220 is a nicely curved stretch with identical turns that begs you to go faster :) We had a minor incident with Bruce running over a canine that was chasing us (it continued to live on the Day of the Dead) But the worst thing was the GRAVEL spread all over eastbound 211 _climbing_ Thornton gap. It was getting dark and I was behind Gimer when all of a sudden the VFR started fishtailing, then I see Tom's 996 doing the samething... Whoa! WTF? Gravel! Jeez! So, you people headed out to 211 tomorrow or Sunday, do be careful! (I can't tell you how embarrassed I was to have a BMW cager pass us on 211.. the shame! j/k Anyway, thanks Tom, for leading another great ride. JK 95 VFR D-mode _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 3 07:38:36 2001 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "Aaron" , Subject: Re: Traffic Ticket Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 07:35:37 -0500 > Apparently in Virginia, if you are traveling at a > speed above 80 mph (not too hard to do on I95), it is > considered "reckless driving," a Class I criminal > misdemeanor (same as DUI). I got pegged for 83 mph in > a 65 mph zone in Caroline County VA. Court date is > November 7. Otherwise, I have a clean driving record. > Anyone have recommendations? (attorney, plea, etc.) Attorney - a reckless stays on your record for 11 (count 'em) years. Your 83 in a 65 zone could have also been a simple speeding @ 18 over - it's the cop's discretion which way to call it. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 3 09:15:14 2001 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 06:15:13 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Day of the Dead Report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- John Kozyn wrote: > But the worst thing was the GRAVEL spread all over > eastbound 211 _climbing_ > Thornton gap. It was getting dark and I was behind Gimer > when all of a > sudden the VFR started fishtailing, then I see Tom's 996 > doing the > samething... Whoa! WTF? Gravel! Jeez! > > So, you people headed out to 211 tomorrow or Sunday, do > be careful! jk is right. i'm worried that the first groups of riders today to hit 211 heading west will be in for a big, nasty surprise on the first curve of the descent (long sweeping left). no reason for that gravel to be there, and it is spread across the entire surface of the road. there WILL be trouble today for motorcyclists on 211. > (I can't tell you how embarrassed I was to have a BMW > cager pass us on 211.. > the shame! j/k four wheels good -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 3 11:19:58 2001 From: "Danny Thompson" To: "Hugh Caldwell" , Subject: dirt riding today Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:19:14 -0500 Hugh, (or anyone) Get in touch with me if you want to dirt ride today. 540-349-9992 Danny '98 VTR '01 Shadow Tourer '99 SV (race bike) '02 XR250R www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.292 / Virus Database: 157 - Release Date: 10/26/01 From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 3 11:57:27 2001 From: "Pejman Taei" To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Day of the Dead Report Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 11:57:20 -0500 I might be interested in riding to 211 tomorrow. When is the group leaving today (Saturday)? >From: "John Kozyn" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Day of the Dead Report >Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 23:53:52 -0500 > >Greeting DC Guys 'n Gals, > >Everyone was still alive when I saw them last and when I arrived home it >was >with 445 miles on the odo. > >A manageable group of seven left Marshall this morning and we had - as you >must know - really nice mostly sunny weather the whole day. > >Tom Gimer led me, Randy Moran, George Cole (nice meeting you two guys), >Bruce Norton and the Jordans (pM-hre et fils). Here's a quick wrap-up of the >route which got modified a bit: > >17-647-635-B522-628-211-231-230-33 west (up and down a couple of gaps) >-back >to 810-250-64-250 (a bit too congested in Waynesboro and Staunton) and then >220 north to 33 east to I-81 to 211 to 29 to I-66 home. > >33 was my favorite road today and 250 a close second. It might have been >lots better if one of the three LEOs we saw wasnt stuck in front of us. >Dang. And 220 is a nicely curved stretch with identical turns that begs you >to go faster :) > >We had a minor incident with Bruce running over a canine that was chasing >us >(it continued to live on the Day of the Dead) > >But the worst thing was the GRAVEL spread all over eastbound 211 _climbing_ >Thornton gap. It was getting dark and I was behind Gimer when all of a >sudden the VFR started fishtailing, then I see Tom's 996 doing the >samething... Whoa! WTF? Gravel! Jeez! > >So, you people headed out to 211 tomorrow or Sunday, do be careful! > >(I can't tell you how embarrassed I was to have a BMW cager pass us on >211.. >the shame! j/k > >Anyway, thanks Tom, for leading another great ride. > >JK >95 VFR >D-mode > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 3 16:09:28 2001 From: Dougoates@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:09:18 EST Subject: FS: joe rocket jacket & pants, sidi boots To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX All in excellent--as new condition, now listed on EBAY. Thanks! Joe Rocket Lthr Motorcycle Pants 32 item # 597504116 Joe Rocket Bulldog Lthr Motorcycle Jacket 44 item # 597503770 SIDI Strada NEW Size 10.5 black/grey item # 597502186 From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 3 19:30:06 2001 Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 17:58:39 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Thanks-Day of the Dead Ride >> Randy Moran wrote >Thanks Tom Gimer and John Kozyn for organizing and leading Friday's ride. I 2nd that, it was a fun ride, too bad you missed the best part RT 250. We hit the Rt 66 and 495 into during Friday Rush Hour, traffic was creepin at 1-5 mph. Pissed off a cage or two spitting a few lanes. >Thanks to George Cole for letting me ride his FZ-1. No problem, I got to ride your SV in the twistiest part of the route :o) Cheers, George Cole 01 FZ1 From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 4 18:48:17 2001 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 18:41:51 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Beemer question ? Did BMW make a boxer twin with the model designation R-69? If so, what is the differance between that and an R-60? My late friend had a `56 R-60 now in the hands of his niece who is maintaining and riding it. While digging thru the assorment of mechanical piecy-parts in his basement I ran across a pair of brand new pistons, marked "R-69". They are pop-top pistons with valve clearance cutpouts in the top. Could they be a high compression improvement for the R-60? Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 12:10:00 2001 From: Han Park To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Test Don't Open Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:04:52 -0500 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 12:40:12 2001 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Tire question Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:38:30 -0500 What's the difference (traction and wear) between the Bridgestone BT54 and the BT020? Any other SPORT/touring recommendations? --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 13:44:17 2001 From: "Pejman Taei" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Winter Bike Preparations Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:32:17 -0500 Can anyone give me some tips on getting my '95 Honda CBR 600F3 ready for winter. What are some of things I need to do. I know I have to fill the gas tank with gas, put some Fuel Stabilizer in the tank, and change the oil. Do I need to change the oil again in Spring time? Also should I take my battery out of the bike and put it on a charger? Is it better for me to leave the bike out and turn it on every 2 weeks, instead of taking the battery out. Which one of these strategies should I use, and is there anything else I need to do? Any suggestions. Greatly appriciated, Thanks, Pejman Taei '96 Honda CBR 600F3 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 14:07:31 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:07:28 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Winter Bike Preparations To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This has got to be a FAQ by now. But in the archives I found this: My second comment relates to storage of gasoline in a tank over the winter. I own a boat with a 150 gallon gas tank. Just like a bike, the drill is to add stabilizer and top-off the tank before storage. Stabilizer prevents gum and varnish buildup and the top-off minimizes condensation in the tank. In the spring, add some octane booster to replace the more volatile components of the gas which have evaporated and you are good to go. Until recently, this storage method has worked well. You missed step 1: Buy widder or other heated clothing and continue to ride. But let me be helpful: > winter. What are some of things I need to do. I > know I have to fill the > gas tank with gas, put some Fuel Stabilizer in the > tank, Personally, I'd dump the gas into the car, and DRAIN YOUR CARBS with the drain screws. if you want to leave what gas you have in the tank, then yes, add stabilizer. Winter tends to be a period of very dry air. moisture isn't an issue. If it's uncovered and in the elements, then yes you could get water in the gas thru leaks... If you don't drain the carbs then you MUST run the engine for about 10 miles so that the treated gas is in the bowls. > and change the oil. > Do I need to change the oil again in Spring time? good idea. many throw cheapo oil for storage. > Also should I take my > battery out of the bike and put it on a charger? Is generally a good idea. No need to put it on a charger for the duration of months, however. make sure it's nicely charged and full of proper liquids and then just let it sit on a cool shelf. recharge when you're ready to start riding again. Constantly leaving it on the charger is likely to result in evaporation of vital fluids over time. Not a good thing. take the spark plugs out and give a shot of wd40 or oil into the top of the cylinder. crank (but don't fire) it over a couple revs. put spark plugs back in. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 14:11:14 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:11:05 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire question To: Jon Strang , dc-cycles@XXXXXX jon: having ridden with you, i'd recommend an actual high-performance road tire. because the bridgestone 010 is getting the highest reviews and is very reasonably priced, i'd try that one. i've been happily running d207s for years now, but the recent articles and the prices will have me on the phone ordering a set of 010s this week. how was the sunday ride? i'll be in touch regarding a saturday (11/10) ride..... --- Jon Strang wrote: > What's the difference (traction and wear) between the > Bridgestone BT54 and > the BT020? > > Any other SPORT/touring recommendations? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 14:23:19 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 14:22:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Tire question From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Jon, After putting 400+ miles on my (relatively) new set of BT010's on Friday, I can say they're as good as any other tire I've used, if not better! (D204's D205's and D207's). I think I actually like the B-Stones more than the 207's so far. Very sticky. I don't know how they'll wear yet, but that's never been a concern for me. (I will take traction over life expectancy every time.) I ride a CBR1000F, and usually at a fairly spirited pace. "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." M-^WErnest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 14:46:08 2001 From: Brian Roach To: "Jon Strang" , Subject: Re: Tire question Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 14:44:21 -0500 On Monday 05 November 2001 12:38, Jon Strang wrote: > What's the difference (traction and wear) between the Bridgestone BT54 and > the BT020? The Bridgestone BT010 and 020 are the new versions of their older sport and sport-touring tires. The older models are no longer being produced. The 010 is comparable to a Dunlop 207 street tire, and the 020 something akin to the ... D204? I think that's their "sport tour" tire. These are all new compounds and profiles from bridgestone, based on their new model 001 race DOT. We've sold 010's to a number of street guys over the last 6 months and have gotten really great feedback on them. It's a great tire and a good price point. > Any other SPORT/touring recommendations? I have a set of Michelin Pilot Sport street tires on my Ducati 900ss I put on last year, and really like them. Honestly, these days any tire from the "big 4" rated for sport or sport/tour is going to be good, now that Bridgestone and Pirelli (pirelli/metzler) have finally updated their product lines (The old BT56/57/58/54 and Pirelli Dragon lines were really starting to show their age). - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 15:09:04 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:08:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Tire question From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > The 010 is comparable to a Dunlop 207 street tire, and the 020 > something akin > to the ... D204? I think that's their "sport tour" tire. The 204 was the predecessor to the D207. The 205, I believe, is Dunlop's current sport-tourer. Regards, Sean Jordan Systems Analyst (703)-886-7661 WORLDCOM From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 15:52:16 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 15:45:48 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Pejman Taei CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter Bike Preparations Yes, gas stabilizer and a full tank is the way to go. Change oil, grease all grease thingers, and keep the battery topped off, not neccessary to remove, just keep it charged. Do NOT start the bike up every two weeks! Unless you plan to ride it a goodly distance. A a short no-load run time cold is the worst thang you can do to an engine - great for fouling the oil with moisture and acids. Bill Pejman Taei wrote: > Can anyone give me some tips on getting my '95 Honda CBR 600F3 ready for > winter. What are some of things I need to do. I know I have to fill the > gas tank with gas, put some Fuel Stabilizer in the tank, and change the oil. > Do I need to change the oil again in Spring time? Also should I take my > battery out of the bike and put it on a charger? Is it better for me to > leave the bike out and turn it on every 2 weeks, instead of taking the > battery out. Which one of these strategies should I use, and is there > anything else I need to do? Any suggestions. Greatly appriciated, Thanks, > > Pejman Taei > '96 Honda CBR 600F3 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 16:36:08 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:35:55 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Tire question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX The 204 was the cheap, slippery tire Honda used to put on VTRs and VFRs from the factory. It was the first thing I ditched when I got the bike. I doubt that it was the predecessor to the 207, since they made them both at the same time for quite a while. Chris --- Sean Jordan wrote: > > The 010 is comparable to a Dunlop 207 street tire, > and the 020 > > something akin > > to the ... D204? I think that's their "sport tour" > tire. > > The 204 was the predecessor to the D207. The 205, I > believe, is Dunlop's > current sport-tourer. > > > > Regards, > > Sean Jordan > Systems Analyst > (703)-886-7661 > WORLDCOM > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 17:35:15 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 17:34:56 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Tire question At 02:11 PM 11/5/01, Tom Gimer wrote: >having ridden with you, i'd recommend an actual >high-performance road tire. because the bridgestone 010 is >getting the highest reviews and is very reasonably priced, >i'd try that one. It's funny just how differently the UK bike mags review things compared to the US mags -- in two British sportbike mags recently, the top tested tires have been a virtual tie between the latest Avon Azaro Sports and the new Metzeler Z4. Since I've been quite pleased with the Metzeler Z3's that came on my Aprilia, I'd expect the Z4's to be really terrific. Avon has always made extremely good auto racing tires (in the old days a bit heavy, but excellent performance), and their bike tires have always done very well in UK racing. I'll wait and hear what all you folks experience next year, but I expect I'll replace my Z3's with Z4's. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 17:54:36 2001 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: RE: Tire question Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:54:34 -0500 I have Pirelli Dragon Supercorsa's on my Yamaha R1. So far i have not had any problems, they handled similar to my dunlop 207's. Anyone have information on the pirelli tire line? Seems like most bikes have dunlop 207 and Michelin Pilot(?) tires on them. Is pirelli a lesser quality tire? Another thing, is that most motorcycle shops around my area. Heyser cycles, sell a rear 190 dunlop 207 for 240$ or more, but in motorcycle warehouse you can get it for around 90$, any reason for such a high price for tires. Every tire there is super expensive. Ricardo From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 17:54:38 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 17:52:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Yuasa charger FYI, after reading this discussion on Friday afternoon, I ordered the 5-stage Yuasa charger and a couple of the quick-disconnects on the Yuasa web site. Not the cheapest, but no tax, and the shipping was included in the price, no fuss no muss. I just got a call from home. It arrived *today*! How's that for quick service? Less than 1 business day! /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 17:57:54 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 14:57:52 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire question To: Larry Larson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX mez4s on a true sportbike is a bad choice if you ride relatively hard. i already tried it with horrible results. i was unable to get those thangs hot enough, even running lower pressures. they were yanked 1k miles later and sold. stick with the mez3s --- Larry Larson wrote: > At 02:11 PM 11/5/01, Tom Gimer wrote: > > >having ridden with you, i'd recommend an actual > >high-performance road tire. because the bridgestone 010 > is > >getting the highest reviews and is very reasonably > priced, > >i'd try that one. > > It's funny just how differently the UK bike mags review > things compared to > the US mags -- in two British sportbike mags recently, > the top tested tires > have been a virtual tie between the latest Avon Azaro > Sports and the new > Metzeler Z4. > > Since I've been quite pleased with the Metzeler Z3's that > came on my > Aprilia, I'd expect the Z4's to be really terrific. Avon > has always made > extremely good auto racing tires (in the old days a bit > heavy, but > excellent performance), and their bike tires have always > done very well in > UK racing. > > I'll wait and hear what all you folks experience next > year, but I expect > I'll replace my Z3's with Z4's. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 17:59:58 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 14:59:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Tire question To: Ricardo Pontes , Dccycles put a 180 on the rear. it'll handle much better and cost you less. --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > I have Pirelli Dragon Supercorsa's on my Yamaha R1. So > far i have not had > any problems, they handled similar to my dunlop 207's. > Anyone have > information on the pirelli tire line? Seems like most > bikes have dunlop 207 > and Michelin Pilot(?) tires on them. Is pirelli a lesser > quality tire? > > > Another thing, is that most motorcycle shops around my > area. Heyser cycles, > sell a rear 190 dunlop 207 for 240$ or more, but in > motorcycle warehouse you > can get it for around 90$, any reason for such a high > price for tires. Every > tire there is super expensive. > > Ricardo > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 20:07:14 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 20:07:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Tire question From: Randy or Julie Moran To: on 11.5.2001 5:57 PM, Tom Gimer at t_gimer@XXXXXX wrote: > mez4s on a true sportbike is a bad choice if you ride > relatively hard. i already tried it with horrible results. > i was unable to get those thangs hot enough, even running > lower pressures. they were yanked 1k miles later and sold. > > stick with the mez3s MeZ4s are what come stock on the SV650. I ride pretty hard but not as hard as some. I haven't had any trouble with them in terms of traction and they seem to wear ok. Actually, I won my first race ever on MeZ4s (in Sep '99) with no slippage to speak of. I replaced them with my favorite D207s when the time came, then went to Bridgestone slicks (they paid contingency). I've always liked the Dunlops for their nice, gradual fading away. I also had pretty good luck with a pair of Azzarros on my ZX7. I think sometimes the profile of a tire can have as much or more to do with an individual's like or dislike of a certain tire or brand than the actual "stickiness." Anyway, the MeZ4s aren't a bad choice for sport riding, in my opinion. I get better wear out of them than I get out of a pair of 207s, FWIW. RPM From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 20:45:28 2001 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:45:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Tire question To: Ricardo Pontes , Dccycles sorry, but i may be giving you bad advice here, ricardo. i just remembered that if your bike has a 6" rear wheel (which i believe the '98 did) the switch down could be a problem....best to check with other r1 owners about this --- Tom Gimer wrote: > put a 180 on the rear. it'll handle much better and cost > you less. > > > > --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > > > I have Pirelli Dragon Supercorsa's on my Yamaha R1. So > > far i have not had > > any problems, they handled similar to my dunlop 207's. > > Anyone have > > information on the pirelli tire line? Seems like most > > bikes have dunlop 207 > > and Michelin Pilot(?) tires on them. Is pirelli a > lesser > > quality tire? > > > > > > Another thing, is that most motorcycle shops around my > > area. Heyser cycles, > > sell a rear 190 dunlop 207 for 240$ or more, but in > > motorcycle warehouse you > > can get it for around 90$, any reason for such a high > > price for tires. Every > > tire there is super expensive. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 22:13:10 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:06:56 -0500 Subject: Saturday, November 10 - MARRC Video Night!!! X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-12,14-16,18,20,22,24,26-29,31-32,34-36,38,40-42,44-48 From: Tom Fitzpatrick That's right, campers . . . MARRC Video Night, the highlight of area motorcyclists fall social calendar. A must event. For all the details, see the message below, or go to the MARRC web page (http://www.marrc.org). Hope to see you there. Tom --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Randy Dalmas Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 07:21:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: MARRC Video Night!!! MARRC Video Night is approaching fast! And that means its time to start thinking about your choices for the MARRC annual awards. The racers and volunteers who get the most votes will be honored at the MARRC Awards Banquet in January 2001. This year you have several options on how to vote. You can go to Video Night on November 10th and vote there. You can mail in the ballot from the MARRC newsletter. Or, you can vote online at the MARRC website at www.marrc.org. Whichever method you choose, you don't have to vote in every category, but the most important thing is to vote! Here is your chance to have an unsung hero or hardworker recognized for having a great season. Remember, admission to Video Night is FREE for all members! Then its all-you-can-eat pizza, soda, chips, and beer for the night. It's a great chance to renew your membership and have fun at MARRC's most popular event. Non-members will need to bring $10 to get in. And don't forget to bring your favorite racing videos, especially if they are of you! Video Night will be held at Latela's in Jessup, MD. To get there, take I-95 or I-295 (BW Parkway) in Maryland to Rt 175 East. Go about 1/2 mile past the BW Parkway and Latela's is on your right. All awards will be presented at the MARRC Annual Awards Banquet at the Laurel Holiday Inn on January 12, 2002. Randy Dalmas MARRC Webmaster and Secretary www.marrc.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 22:38:03 2001 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 22:43:45 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Veteran's Day fun run this Sunday OK, Sunday it is. I'm planning on doing the ride this Sunday, meeting at noon at an eatery in the Dupont Circle area. The ride itself will start at 1:30, stopping at Fort Reno (@ 429 feet above sea level, it's the highest point in DC for you 'high point' collectors out there) and Fort Stevens as we ride around the circle of Civil War defenses, We'll also ride past Fort Totten, the Basilica, and Fort Davis and Fort Dupont in SE. Should take two, two and a half hours depending on how many stops we make. Here's some links: Fort Reno http://www.americasroof.com/dc.shtml Civil War Defenses http://www.nps.gov/rocr/ftcircle/ Fort Dupont Park http://www.nps.gov/fodu/ More details to follow Paul in DC 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 5 22:44:05 2001 From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Details are sketchy... Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:44:58 -0500 Hey, Bad news from the Sunday ride front: I hear the FNG at my company, and fellow lister Steve Broadstreet had a fairly low-speed but high-injury off this Sunday past. From what I was told, he got into some gravel at about 35 or so and low sided his Zed Ex 9. After he rode the bike back home, he then had his wife take him to the hospital. Bruises and a collapsed lung were keeping him in the hospital. That's all I know (of). If anyone knows him well enough, try giving a ring over to his house to see how he's doing, won't you? Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard (loving my new Metz ME880 rear hoop) 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project (I give up - For Sale) From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 04:19:50 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 04:19:47 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire question On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Chris Weaver wrote: > The 204 was the cheap, slippery tire Honda used to put on VTRs and > VFRs from the factory. It was the first thing I ditched when I got the > bike. Being a crotchety young fart I'm going to argue about this (besides that it's almost 4:00am and I've been awake since 2:30... Argh! :( ). I think the 204s that came stock on my VTR were just fine. They certainly got me around Mid-Ohio without a problem and were lasting fine until I picked up nails in them (yes, both tires managed to collect nails - on separate occasions). I think a lot of the arguments about traction and maximizing that for a street bike are arguments basically being made where you're saying you'd like your tires to make up for deficits in your own riding ability. Now, before I go too far in this let me state that I do not consider myself any kind of riding god. Nonetheless I have ridden with guys who are pretty good (no, I'm not going to be doing any name dropping). It doesn't matter that these guys have skinny touring tires (slippery?) on their touring bikes they will still leave behind most "aggressive street riders". What I'm trying to get at here is that, rather than blaming that slip you just had on your tires you should most likely point your finger at yourself and work to improve your skills (or, simply get more comfortable with slippage, it happens... :) ). My standard recommendation of getting a dirt bike can be well applied here... Ride in the rain, ride when it's cold, ride dirt roads, etc... I've heard all too many riders with little experience or ability spout off about their slippery race compound tires that just don't meet their needs, aggressive street riding (not you specifically, Chris, I don't know what your experience or ability level was like when you had the 204s). It just seems kind of silly to me... Going back to bed... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 06:28:33 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 03:27:51 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire question To: Randy or Julie Moran , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Randy or Julie Moran wrote: > on 11.5.2001 5:57 PM, Tom Gimer at t_gimer@XXXXXX > wrote: > > > mez4s on a true sportbike is a bad choice if you ride > > relatively hard. i already tried it with horrible > results. > > i was unable to get those thangs hot enough, even > running > > lower pressures. they were yanked 1k miles later and > sold. > > > > stick with the mez3s > > MeZ4s are what come stock on the SV650. I ride pretty > hard but not as hard > as some. I haven't had any trouble with them in terms of > traction and they > seem to wear ok. Actually, I won my first race ever on > MeZ4s (in Sep '99) > with no slippage to speak of. I replaced them with my > favorite D207s when > the time came, then went to Bridgestone slicks (they paid > contingency). I've > always liked the Dunlops for their nice, gradual fading > away. I also had > pretty good luck with a pair of Azzarros on my ZX7. I > think sometimes the > profile of a tire can have as much or more to do with an > individual's like > or dislike of a certain tire or brand than the actual > "stickiness." Anyway, > the MeZ4s aren't a bad choice for sport riding, in my > opinion. I get better > wear out of them than I get out of a pair of 207s, FWIW. fair enough. my experience with the mez4s was bad....others seem to have had good ones. give 'em a try and report back to us, larry.... i hope your experience is better than mine. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 06:39:24 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 03:39:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire question To: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX your points are well taken kirk, and i can only speak for myself here....but if i have no confidence in my tires, i don't ride well. the metzelers (mez4s) did not inspire confidence on my 996, and hence were quickly removed. --- Kirk Roy wrote: > I think a lot of the arguments about traction and > maximizing that for a street bike are arguments basically > being made where you're saying you'd like your tires to > make up for deficits in your own riding ability. Now, > before I go too far in this let me state that I do not > consider myself any kind of riding god. Nonetheless I > have ridden with guys who are pretty good (no, I'm not > going to be doing any name dropping). It doesn't matter > that these guys have skinny touring tires (slippery?) on > their touring bikes they will still leave behind > most "aggressive street riders". > > What I'm trying to get at here is that, rather than > blaming that slip you just had on your tires you should > most likely point your finger at yourself and work to > improve your skills (or, simply get more comfortable > with slippage, it happens... :) ). My standard > recommendation of getting a dirt bike can be well applied > here... Ride in the rain, ride when it's cold, ride dirt > roads, etc... > > I've heard all too many riders with little experience or > ability spout off about their slippery race compound > tires that just don't meet their needs, aggressive street > riding (not you specifically, Chris, I don't know what > your experience or ability level was like when you had > the 204s). It just seems kind of silly to me... > > Going back to bed... > > Kirk > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 08:28:18 2001 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 08:28:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Tire question From: Randy or Julie Moran To: on 11.6.2001 6:39 AM, Tom Gimer at t_gimer@XXXXXX wrote: > your points are well taken kirk, and i can only speak for > myself here....but if i have no confidence in my tires, i > don't ride well. the metzelers (mez4s) did not inspire > confidence on my 996, and hence were quickly removed. I ridden a few Ducatis (2 916s and a 900ss). All of them required a greater initial input to turn than the japanese sportbikes I've ridden. Of course, once you get the Duc pointed where you want it few bikes are more stable in a turn. My theory is that (for me anyway) the more triangular d207 front would work a lot better on a 916/996/998 than would the MeZ4s with their rounded profile. The SV (at least in stock form), on the other hand, is a super-quick steerer and not that stable once it's in the turn. In the SV's case, the more rounded profile of the Mez4 works to the riders advantage to help slow down the steering and to give the rider a consistent profile/curve to make corrective inputs against. Just my theory. It might be the stupidest freaking thing ever concocted but it works for me and, like Tom said, it's all about confidence. RPM From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 09:03:45 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 06:03:33 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Tire question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I understand you're not pointing the finger at me personally. Rather, you're generalizing about people (new riders specifically) who complain about tire stickiness. I think that generalization is flawed. You may feel that the 204s are okay (and I agree - but only 'okay'). However, no matter what skill level you have, there doesn't seem to me to be any situation in which one would specifically choose the 204 over the 207. I'm sure "riding gods" would pick the 207 despite their ability to ride around the problems of the 204. Newbies would choose the 207 precisely *because* it helps mask their mistakes - given the possible alternative of a trip through the weeds or worse, I'm not arguing. Making one's riding easier is not a point against the 207 in my opinion, no matter what the skill level of the rider might be. Of course, everyone is welcome to their own opinion. Chris p.s. I still have my original rear 204 and anyone is welcome to stop by my house and pick it up, gratis. If you want it, Kirk, it's all yours! :^) --- Kirk Roy wrote: > On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Chris Weaver wrote: > > The 204 was the cheap, slippery tire Honda used to > put on VTRs and > > VFRs from the factory. It was the first thing I > ditched when I got the > > bike. > > Being a crotchety young fart I'm going to argue > about this (besides that > it's almost 4:00am and I've been awake since 2:30... > Argh! :( ). I think > the 204s that came stock on my VTR were just fine. > They certainly got me > around Mid-Ohio without a problem and were lasting > fine until I picked up > nails in them (yes, both tires managed to collect > nails - on separate > occasions). > > I think a lot of the arguments about traction and > maximizing that for a > street bike are arguments basically being made where > you're saying you'd > like your tires to make up for deficits in your own > riding ability. Now, > before I go too far in this let me state that I do > not consider myself any > kind of riding god. Nonetheless I have ridden with > guys who are pretty > good (no, I'm not going to be doing any name > dropping). It doesn't matter > that these guys have skinny touring tires > (slippery?) on their touring > bikes they will still leave behind most "aggressive > street riders". > > What I'm trying to get at here is that, rather than > blaming that slip you > just had on your tires you should most likely point > your finger at > yourself and work to improve your skills (or, simply > get more comfortable > with slippage, it happens... :) ). My standard > recommendation of getting a > dirt bike can be well applied here... Ride in the > rain, ride when it's > cold, ride dirt roads, etc... > > I've heard all too many riders with little > experience or ability spout off > about their slippery race compound tires that just > don't meet their needs, > aggressive street riding (not you specifically, > Chris, I don't know what > your experience or ability level was like when you > had the 204s). It just > seems kind of silly to me... > > Going back to bed... > > Kirk > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 09:24:52 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 06:24:50 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Paging Mark Kitchell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mark, please respond. I have a few questions about your Spain trip to ask you. Thanks. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 09:36:55 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:36:53 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire question On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Chris Weaver wrote: > I'm sure "riding gods" would pick the 207 despite their ability to > ride around the problems of the 204. I did not get the chance to wear out the 204s (because of those lousy nails) but if mileage or pricing were better I would personally choose the 204 (again, I will not claim god status). Now, the 205 (not sure if it's currently being produced) is a more touring oriented tire and probably less sticky than the 204 and I know that if I had to pay a bunch for tires I would choose the 205 over the 204 OR 207. That said, I got my last bunch of tires really cheap so I do, I'll admit, have 207s on the bike now. I believe the rear has over 10K miles on it now, believe it or not! It's actually worn pretty evenly, edge to edge. 207s also slide quite easily. Downshifting from 2nd to 1st will cause the rear end to snake all over the place. Is it rider error or just plain fun? :) > Newbies would choose the 207 precisely *because* it helps mask their > mistakes - given the possible alternative of a trip through the weeds > or worse, I'm not arguing. Making one's riding easier is not a point > against the 207 in my opinion, no matter what the skill level of the > rider might be. I think the point that you're missing is that the tire that slips and slides more is providing the newbie to intermediate rider with MORE FEEDBACK (not yelling, just providing emphasis... :) ). After all, we're not talking about the difference between a great tire and an awful tire (say, anything made in the 70s/80s). Relative to tires made 15 years ago the 204 is super sticky... Masking inabilities in a rider by providing that rider with tires that will rarely give them the feedback that says, "you're doing something wrong" will develop less complete riders, IMO. I suppose you could say that I am specifically calling for the type of development in riders that indeed does allow them to "ride around the problems of the 204" or whatever 'slippery' tire they happen to have on the bike. Tires today are so generally good (the 204 included) that to blame rider error ("a trip through the weeds or worse") does a great disservice both to the quality of tires and to rider development. > p.s. I still have my original rear 204 and anyone is welcome to stop > by my house and pick it up, gratis. If you want it, Kirk, it's all > yours! :^) Hmmm, sold, er, your terms are accepted! Thanks! Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 09:39:45 2001 From: "Paul Hutchins" To: , "Jon Strang" , Subject: Re: Tire question Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:27:50 -0500 The BT020 is ten billion times better than the D204. The I'm running a BT010 on the front and a BT020 on the rear (less sticky but lasts longer) and am quite happy (I have a `00 VFR). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roach" To: "Jon Strang" ; Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Tire question > On Monday 05 November 2001 12:38, Jon Strang wrote: > > What's the difference (traction and wear) between the Bridgestone BT54 and > > the BT020? > > The Bridgestone BT010 and 020 are the new versions of their older sport and > sport-touring tires. The older models are no longer being produced. > > The 010 is comparable to a Dunlop 207 street tire, and the 020 something akin > to the ... D204? I think that's their "sport tour" tire. > > These are all new compounds and profiles from bridgestone, based on their new > model 001 race DOT. We've sold 010's to a number of street guys over the > last 6 months and have gotten really great feedback on them. It's a great > tire and a good price point. > > > Any other SPORT/touring recommendations? > > I have a set of Michelin Pilot Sport street tires on my Ducati 900ss I put on > last year, and really like them. > > Honestly, these days any tire from the "big 4" rated for sport or sport/tour > is going to be good, now that Bridgestone and Pirelli (pirelli/metzler) have > finally updated their product lines (The old BT56/57/58/54 and Pirelli Dragon > lines were really starting to show their age). > > - Roach > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 09:55:02 2001 From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'Pejman Taei'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Winter Storage Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:55:22 -0500 Pejman, You are asking for a litany of responses, some with good info, some uncorroborated, some complete folklore (get the picture). Do you have a Clymer or a Haynes manual (my favorite)? If not, go up to Amazon and order one. Or go to the library and under Motorcycle they should have something with some information on preparing any M/C for winter storage. The fuel stabilizer issue is hotly debated. I have a carb bike and keeping the bowls empty is about all that is required. I've had other bikes like inline fours etc... and I used to the same thing... except squirt a little WD-40 up the pipes and seal the ends with a sandwich bag and a rubber band. Me, myself and I change the oil, primary and final drive (BMW) keep the fuel topped off and ride it up until and even into January. Around here, the weather is not too bad or it hasn't been in a few years. I also have a garage so it stays out of the elements. February is my month for prepping the bike and March (which can be an "iffy" month) is the start of the riding season for me. By the way, the Haynes is set up to walk you through preps with a pretty conclusive chapter. Other than that... disassemble the bike into major systems groups, clean, fiddle-around and reassemble for spring. From: "Pejman Taei" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Winter Bike Preparations Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:32:17 -0500 FILETIME=[329FE830:01C16628] Can anyone give me some tips on getting my '95 Honda CBR 600F3 ready for winter. What are some of things I need to do. I know I have to fill the gas tank with gas, put some Fuel Stabilizer in the tank, and change the oil. Do I need to change the oil again in Spring time? Also should I take my battery out of the bike and put it on a charger? Is it better for me to leave the bike out and turn it on every 2 weeks, instead of taking the battery out. Which one of these strategies should I use, and is there anything else I need to do? Any suggestions. Greatly appriciated, Thanks, Pejman Taei '96 Honda CBR 600F3 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 09:59:33 2001 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 09:59:20 -0500 To: From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Tire question At 09:27 AM 11/6/01, Paul Hutchins wrote: >The BT020 is ten billion times better than the D204. The I'm running a >BT010 on the front and a BT020 on the rear (less sticky but lasts longer) >and am quite happy (I have a `00 VFR). You folks are concentrating almost exclusively on stickiness, with one or two mentions of profile, but I don't hear anyone mentioning tire breakaway characteristics. I'm not a fast bike rider, but I am a car racer, and in cars -- especially mid- or rear-engined cars -- the breakaway characteristics of tires can be crucial. How do the Bridgestones, Dunlops, Goodyears, etc. compare in that regard? Thanks -- Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL 1000 Falco '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 10:05:51 2001 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:05:12 EST Subject: Re: Tire question To: pltrgyst@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 11/6/01 10:01:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes: > You folks are concentrating almost exclusively on stickiness, with one or > two mentions of profile, but I don't hear anyone mentioning tire breakaway > characteristics. I'm not a fast bike rider, but I am a car racer, and in > cars -- especially mid- or rear-engined cars -- the breakaway > characteristics of tires can be crucial. How do the Bridgestones, Dunlops, > Goodyears, etc. compare in that regard? If you are planning on spinning up the tire regularly on the street....then go to a track and use race tires. Otherwise....the street tires should be fine. The only caviat I have is that any Michellin tires are known to need extra time to heat up to operating temperature. (I can't tell you the number of racers I know that have tried to go full bore on the first lap and have been caught out by an unexpected slide.) Bridgestone, Pirelli, and Dunlop should all be fine tires for the street. I've got 010's on my 1000 scooter. No complaints yet. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 10:11:06 2001 From: Gaske David G DLVA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire question Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:11:02 -0500 In my experience Dunlops hold hold then go bye bye. Bridgestone (bt020's) hold, then go flop. Metzeler (Me33 Compk, Me55 Metronic, MeZ3, MEz4) hold hold, slip, grip, slip grip. In other words, the Metzelers I have run give ALOT of warning when traction is getting questionable. David "Lost Dawg" Gaske '00 Sprint RS (yellow) Fredericksburg, Va. USA -----Original Message----- From: Larry Larson [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 9:59 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire question At 09:27 AM 11/6/01, Paul Hutchins wrote: >The BT020 is ten billion times better than the D204. The I'm running a >BT010 on the front and a BT020 on the rear (less sticky but lasts longer) >and am quite happy (I have a `00 VFR). You folks are concentrating almost exclusively on stickiness, with one or two mentions of profile, but I don't hear anyone mentioning tire breakaway characteristics. I'm not a fast bike rider, but I am a car racer, and in cars -- especially mid- or rear-engined cars -- the breakaway characteristics of tires can be crucial. How do the Bridgestones, Dunlops, Goodyears, etc. compare in that regard? Thanks -- Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL 1000 Falco '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 10:24:34 2001 X-Apparently-From: From: "rdrdr" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Winter Bike Preparations Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:23:43 -0500 A reminder to all those who are going to store their bikes for winter and don't have a garage: I have a nice parking spot in an enclosed parking garage under my building in Silver Spring (off East-West HWY, near Rock Creek Park). I have some locked storage there for equipment, etc. and I'm willing to share the spot. There is room for comfortably storing another 2-3 bikes there. Niv BMW F650ST _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 10:37:13 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 07:37:11 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: Tire question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That's what I've heard about Dunlops in general also. The 120-size tires we used racing YSRs were well known to break away with little or no warning. Granted, these are probably quite different compounds from the 180-190 tires used on big bikes. FWIW, I've had a few slides on D207s and while they weren't very predictable, they didn't put me on my ass either. Chris Weaver --- Gaske David G DLVA wrote: > In my experience Dunlops hold hold then go bye > bye. Bridgestone (bt020's) > hold, then go flop. Metzeler (Me33 Compk, Me55 > Metronic, MeZ3, MEz4) hold > hold, slip, grip, slip grip. In other words, the > Metzelers I have run give > ALOT of warning when traction is getting > questionable. > > David "Lost Dawg" Gaske > '00 Sprint RS (yellow) > Fredericksburg, Va. USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 10:45:59 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 07:45:57 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: RE: Tire question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Here is a new tire to consider: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbeware/sportec.motml The M-1 Sportec sounds like a good compromise and probably what most listers are looking for in a street tire, fair wear and good traction. I have raced on Metzelers (ME-Z1's), Dunlops (D204 and D207) and Pirellis. I got certified on the 204's, they actually turned blue on the track from the oils and I was slip-slip-slipping all over the place. The ME-Z1's were actually pretty good, I used them on a Hawk GT that had the standard 2 1/2" front rim so tire choice was limited. The Pirellis (don't remember the model, they were race compound and came stock on my RSV Mille) stuck well but didn't have a good feel to them, they felt like they would let go without warning. The D207's were great, stuck well, would slide controllably front and rear, although I did crash in them but that was due to a false neutral. --- Chris Weaver wrote: > That's what I've heard about Dunlops in general > also. > The 120-size tires we used racing YSRs were well > known > to break away with little or no warning. Granted, > these are probably quite different compounds from > the > 180-190 tires used on big bikes. FWIW, I've had a > few > slides on D207s and while they weren't very > predictable, they didn't put me on my ass either. > > Chris Weaver > > > --- Gaske David G DLVA > wrote: > > In my experience Dunlops hold hold then go bye > > bye. Bridgestone (bt020's) > > hold, then go flop. Metzeler (Me33 Compk, Me55 > > Metronic, MeZ3, MEz4) hold > > hold, slip, grip, slip grip. In other words, the > > Metzelers I have run give > > ALOT of warning when traction is getting > > questionable. > > > > David "Lost Dawg" Gaske > > '00 Sprint RS (yellow) > > Fredericksburg, Va. USA > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 11:47:43 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Tire question Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:43:10 -0500 OK, I'm going to chime in with my 2% of a dollar. Kirk's comments are well founded. I've mounted new D205s on the VFR for a CLASS track school this summer, and they were plenty sticky for me while putting them to the test on the track. I took off a half-worn set of D207s that had been on the bike when I purchased it. The tires got nice and gooey and stuck like white on rice all day long even hammering hard on the brakes into Turn 1, and at peg-dragging lean angles in Turn 3 at VIR's North Course. The only slippage I got from those tires was due to a "chirp" in the rear tire due to a clumsy downshift, in other words 100% pilot error. I have total confidence in these tires on the street after that experience since I don't take tight radius turns at 60 mph and brake hard from 120 down to 30 on a regular basis on the public ways. I know they are only going to slip under two conditions within the parameters I ride on the street: pilot error and road surface issues (gravel, leaves and whatnot.) No "sticky" tire is going to save your bacon from gravel, for example. And they wear well too, 7K miles later and there's plenty of tread left and a barely perceptible "chicken strip." Would other "stickier" "sportier" tires perform marginally better for a rider of my skill level? Perhaps. But on the street, riding at a 6/10ths safety factor, so-called touring rubber is plenty good enough for me. YMMV. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Roy" > On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Chris Weaver wrote: > > I'm sure "riding gods" would pick the 207 despite their ability to > > ride around the problems of the 204. > > I did not get the chance to wear out the 204s (because of those lousy > nails) but if mileage or pricing were better I would personally choose the > 204 (again, I will not claim god status). Now, the 205 (not sure if it's > currently being produced) is a more touring oriented tire and probably > less sticky than the 204 and I know that if I had to pay a bunch for tires > I would choose the 205 over the 204 OR 207. .. > > I think the point that you're missing is that the tire that slips and > slides more is providing the newbie to intermediate rider with MORE > FEEDBACK (not yelling, just providing emphasis... :) ). From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 13:10:48 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:10:46 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: ring dingers To: DCC Pretty funny stuff. Load the intro. http://www.rsz.nl/ Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 14:16:38 2001 Subject: RE: RE: Tire question From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:16:26 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Should we conclude that you have extensive personal experience pushing a host of different tire brands well beyond their grip limit??? %^) One word: OUCH! FWIW, I think modern m/c tire technology is about on par with modern sportbike technology. That is, all the companies make high quality products. And everyone has their personal favorites. Personally, I'm a Bridgestone fan and love the BT56SS. I think it's a great sticky street tire that's also good on the track. I will say that my one lowside experience on the track with them is that they stuck like glue, but when they let go they just let go. Of course, I pushed the front too hard and that had a lot to with that! %^) And there is much debate about the wisdom of running full-on race tires on street bikes. The conventional wisdom is that it's not a good idea. But I can say that my friend Gary Jaehne, who is a racer and track instructor with dP Safety School in California, uses Dunlop 207GP race tires on his street bikes and has never had a problem with them. Chuck DCCRSC #2 Original Message: ----------------- From: Gaske David G DLVA GaskeDG@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:11:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire question In my experience Dunlops hold hold then go bye bye. Bridgestone (bt020's) hold, then go flop. Metzeler (Me33 Compk, Me55 Metronic, MeZ3, MEz4) hold hold, slip, grip, slip grip. In other words, the Metzelers I have run give ALOT of warning when traction is getting questionable. David "Lost Dawg" Gaske '00 Sprint RS (yellow) Fredericksburg, Va. USA -----Original Message----- From: Larry Larson [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 9:59 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire question At 09:27 AM 11/6/01, Paul Hutchins wrote: >The BT020 is ten billion times better than the D204. The I'm running a >BT010 on the front and a BT020 on the rear (less sticky but lasts longer) >and am quite happy (I have a `00 VFR). You folks are concentrating almost exclusively on stickiness, with one or two mentions of profile, but I don't hear anyone mentioning tire breakaway characteristics. I'm not a fast bike rider, but I am a car racer, and in cars -- especially mid- or rear-engined cars -- the breakaway characteristics of tires can be crucial. How do the Bridgestones, Dunlops, Goodyears, etc. compare in that regard? Thanks -- Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL 1000 Falco '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 16:39:08 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:39:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Davison, Scott" Subject: Re: ring dingers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Wow, I didn't think anyone would actually rip this off! It first appeared to my knowledge here: http://www.gti-vr6.net/GTI_vs_Civic/ and then here: http://leech.dk/dengdeng.swf Both are absolutely hilarious! -scott P.S. sorry about the double message Rich --- Scratch wrote: > Pretty funny stuff. Load the intro. > > http://www.rsz.nl/ > > Rich > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com ===== www.throttlegrip.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 16:41:17 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:41:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Davison, Scott" Subject: Re: revolt of the dirt bikes... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That video is the best. I've seen it before, but I must have just watched it another 20 times. -scott --- "Fisk, Euan" wrote: > > http://evenflow.virtualave.net/movies/motorbike.mpeg > > !! warning - max. load exceeded!! ===== www.throttlegrip.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 17:03:05 2001 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 17:02:56 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Tire question --=====================_110637223==_.ALT SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > >.... I'm not a fast bike rider, but I am a car racer, and in > > cars -- especially mid- or rear-engined cars -- the breakaway > > characteristics of tires can be crucial. How do the Bridgestones, > Dunlops, > > Goodyears, etc. compare in that regard? > >If you are planning on spinning up the tire regularly on the street....then >go to a track and use race tires. Otherwise....the street tires should be >fine. That's fine general advice, but doesn't address the question I asked. I said above that I'm not a fast bike rider, but that doesn't mean I'm a turtle every second I'm riding -- there are those moments when I really push around a corner -- like up and down the Macarthur Blvd. twisties above the Old Angler's Inn (up is great -- down takes more balls than I've got on the Aprilia) -- and I want to know more about the characteristics of the tires I'm on to reinforce that "confidence factor" others have mentioned. By way of contrast, I am extremely demanding of the rubber on my street car -- my normal street tire is something like Yokohama 001-Rs, or shaved Comp T/A R-1s. I don't expect more than 10k miles from a set, ever, and know *exactly* how they'll behave when I take an open-view, no-traffic corner like an autocross bend -- which I do a *lot*. That's the feeling I want on the bike as well, even though I'm much, much less likely to ever take advantage of it. David "Lost Dawg" wrote: In my experience Dunlops hold hold then go bye bye. Bridgestone (bt020's) hold, then go flop. Metzeler (Me33 Compk, Me55 Metronic, MeZ3, MEz4) hold hold, slip, grip, slip grip. In other words, the Metzelers I have run give ALOT of warning when traction is getting questionable. Thanks! That's *exactly* the kind of feedback I was looking for, and confirms what I feel about my present Z3s. Regards, Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL 1000 Falco '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) --=====================_110637223==_.ALT  SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote:

>.... I'm not a fast bike rider, but I am a car racer, and in
>  cars -- especially mid- or rear-engined cars -- the breakaway
>  characteristics of tires can be crucial. How do the Bridgestones, Dunlops,
>  Goodyears, etc. compare in that regard?

If you are planning on spinning up the tire regularly on the street....then
go to a track and use race tires.  Otherwise....the street tires should be
fine. 

That's fine general advice, but doesn't address the question I asked. I said
above that I'm not a fast bike rider, but that doesn't mean I'm a turtle every
second I'm riding -- there are those moments when I really push around a
corner -- like up and down the Macarthur Blvd. twisties above the Old Angler's
Inn (up is great -- down takes more balls than I've got on the Aprilia) -- and I
want to know more about the characteristics of the tires I'm on to reinforce
that "confidence factor" others have mentioned.

By way of contrast, I am extremely demanding of the rubber on my street car --
my normal street tire is something like Yokohama 001-Rs, or shaved Comp
T/A R-1s. I don't expect more than 10k miles from a set, ever, and know *exactly*
how they'll behave when I take an open-view, no-traffic corner like an autocross
bend -- which I do a *lot*. That's the feeling I want on the bike as well, even though
I'm much, much less likely to ever take advantage of it.

David "Lost Dawg" wrote:
In my experience Dunlops hold hold then go bye bye. Bridgestone (bt020's)
hold, then go flop. Metzeler (Me33 Compk, Me55 Metronic, MeZ3, MEz4) hold
hold, slip, grip, slip grip. In other words, the Metzelers I have run give
ALOT of warning when traction is getting questionable.

Thanks! That's *exactly* the kind of feedback I was looking for, and confirms what
I feel about my present Z3s.

Regards,
Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL 1000 Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
emergency backup bike)

--=====================_110637223==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 17:13:34 2001 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 17:13:30 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson (by way of Larry Larson ) Subject: Re: Tire question --=====================_111272158==_.ALT SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > >.... I'm not a fast bike rider, but I am a car racer, and in > > cars -- especially mid- or rear-engined cars -- the breakaway > > characteristics of tires can be crucial. How do the Bridgestones, > Dunlops, > > Goodyears, etc. compare in that regard? > >If you are planning on spinning up the tire regularly on the street....then >go to a track and use race tires. Otherwise....the street tires should be >fine. That's fine general advice, but doesn't address the question I asked. I said above that I'm not a fast bike rider, but that doesn't mean I'm a turtle every second I'm riding -- there are those moments when I really push around a corner -- like up and down the Macarthur Blvd. twisties above the Old Angler's Inn (up is great -- down takes more balls than I've got on the Aprilia) -- and I want to know more about the characteristics of the tires I'm on to reinforce that "confidence factor" others have mentioned. By way of contrast, I am extremely demanding of the rubber on my street car -- my normal street tire is something like Yokohama 001-Rs, or shaved Comp T/A R-1s. I don't expect more than 10k miles from a set, ever, and know *exactly* how they'll behave when I take an open-view, no-traffic corner like an autocross bend -- which I do a *lot*. That's the feeling I want on the bike as well, even though I'm much, much less likely to ever take advantage of it. David "Lost Dawg" wrote: In my experience Dunlops hold hold then go bye bye. Bridgestone (bt020's) hold, then go flop. Metzeler (Me33 Compk, Me55 Metronic, MeZ3, MEz4) hold hold, slip, grip, slip grip. In other words, the Metzelers I have run give ALOT of warning when traction is getting questionable. Thanks! That's *exactly* the kind of feedback I was looking for, and confirms what I feel about my present Z3s. Regards, Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL 1000 Falco '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) --=====================_111272158==_.ALT  SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote:

>.... I'm not a fast bike rider, but I am a car racer, and in
>  cars -- especially mid- or rear-engined cars -- the breakaway
>  characteristics of tires can be crucial. How do the Bridgestones, Dunlops,
>  Goodyears, etc. compare in that regard?

If you are planning on spinning up the tire regularly on the street....then
go to a track and use race tires.  Otherwise....the street tires should be
fine. 

That's fine general advice, but doesn't address the question I asked. I said
above that I'm not a fast bike rider, but that doesn't mean I'm a turtle every
second I'm riding -- there are those moments when I really push around a
corner -- like up and down the Macarthur Blvd. twisties above the Old Angler's
Inn (up is great -- down takes more balls than I've got on the Aprilia) -- and I
want to know more about the characteristics of the tires I'm on to reinforce
that "confidence factor" others have mentioned.

By way of contrast, I am extremely demanding of the rubber on my street car --
my normal street tire is something like Yokohama 001-Rs, or shaved Comp
T/A R-1s. I don't expect more than 10k miles from a set, ever, and know *exactly*
how they'll behave when I take an open-view, no-traffic corner like an autocross
bend -- which I do a *lot*. That's the feeling I want on the bike as well, even though
I'm much, much less likely to ever take advantage of it.

David "Lost Dawg" wrote:
In my experience Dunlops hold hold then go bye bye. Bridgestone (bt020's)
hold, then go flop. Metzeler (Me33 Compk, Me55 Metronic, MeZ3, MEz4) hold
hold, slip, grip, slip grip. In other words, the Metzelers I have run give
ALOT of warning when traction is getting questionable.
Thanks! That's *exactly* the kind of feedback I was looking for, and confirms what
I feel about my present Z3s.

Regards,
Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL 1000 Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
emergency backup bike)

--=====================_111272158==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 18:01:36 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 15:01:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Davison, Scott" Subject: RE: Tire question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ok, I just want to give my two cents, couldn't hold out any longer. 1) If you're worried how a tire 'lets go' on McArthur avenue in an S curve, I think you're missing some other crucial points. Like to get into a controlled 2 wheeled drift, or something close, on pavement is difficult. Maybe coming out of a corner getting on the gas is ok on street, but in that case I don't think different brands of street tires will effect your fun or safety factors. If you are a serious racer, you will understand how much your control on the bike changes how fast or slowly a tire lets go. I remember the first time I low-sided on a track- fast right hand sweeper, front end just washed out. Happened so fast there was no stopping it, just one second I'm doing fine, next second BANG! It took me a lot of racing, some dirt tracking, and a few more wrecks to realize that the only reason my first crash felt like it happened so fast was because I had no idea what was happening. This is after 7 years of street riding sportbikes and a Freddie Spencer school. So, my suggestion to you is, buy a tire that is sticky and feels good to you. And ALWAYS check the pressure, it makes a big difference. And don't ride around trying to hit one s-curve at max lean, go to a track. 2) Don't run race tires on the street, unless you ride them on the track too. What I mean is this- racing develops a tremendous amount of heat in the tires. Race tires are made to dissapate this heat as quickly as possible- too much heat=bad. On the street this leads to a cold tire! Even when you think you're getting on it, you'll hit a long straightaway, some easier riding, a stoplight, etc. The center may stay warm while the sides cool off, yikes. A street tire will retain heat! This is what you want so you don't lose a leg fighting a guardrail. Having said that, I used all my 207GP takeoffs on my streetbike, but I was careful on them. Hey, they were free for the streetbike right? And in the canyons of Colorado I could work my way up to a pretty quick pace wihtout interruption. YMMV! phew, fingers getting tired, need break. Later all. -scott P.S. DAMMIT! did it again, sorry for the double reply. ===== www.throttlegrip.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 19:55:07 2001 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Tire question Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:39:37 -0500 Squeaking in for the mileage minded -- The factory Bridgestones gave me 11K. Taking a risk, I thought I'd try Metzeler 880's. When put to rest on that bike at (tires) 13K I figured another 5 to 18K on my first VN750 midcruiser. Mostly slab/street with, of course, major chicken strips. But that mileage, with no flats, compared to others I'd heard, impressed me. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 21:56:59 2001 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 21:50:33 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Damn, Chuck sre cleans up nice... Anyone else catch Chuck Pena on the TV news tonight? In a coat and tie! Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 6 22:56:47 2001 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 22:56:35 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Damn, Chuck sure cleans up nice... At 09:50 PM 11/6/01, William J. Huson wrote: >Anyone else catch Chuck Pena on the TV news tonight? In a coat and tie! Ummm, that would be Charles Pena to us scruffy biker folk (sniff). Just like last time on MSNBC, he looked very extinguished. A lot different from his Cato roles with Peter Sellers. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 08:25:25 2001 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 05:25:23 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Damn, Chuck sre cleans up nice... To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Chuck was on the local news at 5:00 on Channel 7 (ABC) last night. He looked like he actually does something for a living! Chuck, I taped your appearance. I'll give you the tape on Thursday. Chris --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Anyone else catch Chuck Pena on the TV news tonight? > In a coat and tie! > > Bill > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 08:27:39 2001 From: "Jon Strang" To: "DCC" Subject: Supercross split? Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:26:02 -0500 It looks like the AMA and Pace/Clear Channel are parting ways in 2003...there may be 2 separate SX series? Does anyone have any more detail and/or the reasoning behind the decision (beyond the AMA press release)? My initial reaction is disappointment that the AMA and the sponsor/promoters (Pace/Clear Channel Entertainment) couldn't come to a reasoned agreement that would help the sport, vice fragment it. Any other thoughts out there? --jon current Smooth-Tired bike: 01 Suz Bandit 1200 former Bumpy-Tired bikes: 1990 Suz DR 350 1989 Suz RM 250 1986 Husqvarna XC 250 lots of other little piddlers From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 08:35:11 2001 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:35:09 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy To: DCC Subject: Re: Supercross split? On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Jon Strang wrote: > It looks like the AMA and Pace/Clear Channel are parting ways in > 2003...there may be 2 separate SX series? It sounds like it. CC apparently has contracts with the stadiums while AMA has the riders. Hmmm, how WILL this work? Apparently the TV deal is what got Jam the promotional deal instead of PACE/CC. It is difficult to follow SX when they schedule to air the races at 2:00am then move them to 3:30am, etc. I guess we'll see. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 09:10:40 2001 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 06:10:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: Damn, Chuck sure cleans up nice... To: Larry Larson , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" I guess I missed something. Why was he on tv? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- Larry Larson wrote: > At 09:50 PM 11/6/01, William J. Huson wrote: > >Anyone else catch Chuck Pena on the TV news > tonight? In a coat and tie! > > Ummm, that would be Charles Pena to us scruffy biker > folk (sniff). Just > like last time on MSNBC, he looked very > extinguished. A lot different from > his Cato roles with Peter Sellers. > > -- Larry > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 09:16:07 2001 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 06:16:05 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Shipping Engines via UPS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm going to be shipping a GS500 engine via UPS. How do I package it up? 100+ lbs in a cardboard box doesn't seem right. do I put it on bits of pallet and then inside a box? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 09:37:59 2001 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:37:57 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shipping Engines via UPS On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, matthew patton wrote: > I'm going to be shipping a GS500 engine via UPS. How > do I package it up? 100+ lbs in a cardboard box > doesn't seem right. do I put it on bits of pallet and > then inside a box? You can make a box out of wood, that's what I did. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 10:20:17 2001 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:19:00 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: [Fwd: FW: Americas911Ride] To: DC Cycles List Just passing this along. Maybe some folks here might be interested. http://www.americas911ride.org/ -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 10:40:27 2001 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 07:40:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tire question To: Larry Larson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Larry Larson wrote: > SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >.... I'm not a fast bike rider, but I am a car racer, > > >and in cars -- especially mid- or rear-engined cars -- > > >the breakaway characteristics of tires can be crucial. > > >How do the Bridgestones, Dunlops, Goodyears, etc. > > >compare in that regard? > > > >If you are planning on spinning up the tire regularly on > >the street....then go to a track and use race tires. > >Otherwise....the street tires should be fine. > > That's fine general advice, but doesn't address the > question I asked. I said above that I'm not a fast bike > rider, but that doesn't mean I'm a turtle every second > I'm riding -- there are those moments when I really push > around a corner -- like up and down the Macarthur Blvd. > twisties above the Old Angler's Inn (up is great -- down > takes more balls than I've got on the Aprilia) -- both directions are quite fun and can be run at a good click.... but, be careful....there is a painted crosswalk which has snagged its share of peg-scrapers heading up from old anglers inn. the transportation folks never seem to take scrapers into account.... of course, draggin pegs through a school crosswalk is also somewhat questionable. 8-O -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 11:03:41 2001 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:01:20 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Re: Tire question >- like up and down the MacArthur Blvd. > twisties above the Old Angler's Inn (up is great -- down > takes more balls than I've got on the Aprilia) -- The Avons on my VFR would occasionally slip a little when going up that stretch, the latter BT010's never did. I am sold on the Bridgestones. The people who are dining outside at Old Anglers, must really hate sport bikes. I creep up MacArthur at 30 or so the let any cars get way ahead then roll on the throttle hard on the right-hand sweeper blasting past the diners..., ha ha. Too many cages in the last few years to get a clean run in lately >both directions are quite fun and can be run at a good click.... True, but I like going uphill better myself. The first time a ever scraped a peg was on that stretch...1986 on a FZ600 George Cole From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 11:14:13 2001 From: Gaske David G DLVA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire question --> now first peg scrap Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:14:08 -0500 Since the tire debate is about to run into a circle, and George started this one, I'll brag too. My spot isn't there any more. It used to be the turn at the Spring St. / Sunset Hills Rd. end of the Fx Cnty speedway, err, parkway (where the Target is). It was a tight left hander with jersey barriers, then guardrail. On my way to a work, I think it was a Thursday, June '93. Ahh memories. David Gaske -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 11:01 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire question >- like up and down the MacArthur Blvd. > twisties above the Old Angler's Inn (up is great -- down > takes more balls than I've got on the Aprilia) -- The Avons on my VFR would occasionally slip a little when going up that stretch, the latter BT010's never did. I am sold on the Bridgestones. The people who are dining outside at Old Anglers, must really hate sport bikes. I creep up MacArthur at 30 or so the let any cars get way ahead then roll on the throttle hard on the right-hand sweeper blasting past the diners..., ha ha. Too many cages in the last few years to get a clean run in lately >both directions are quite fun and can be run at a good click.... True, but I like going uphill better myself. The first time a ever scraped a peg was on that stretch...1986 on a FZ600 George Cole From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 11:29:54 2001 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:29:34 EST Subject: Re: Tire question --> now first peg scrap To: GaskeDG@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 11/7/01 11:16:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, GaskeDG@XXXXXX writes: > Since the tire debate is about to run into a circle, and George started this > one, I'll brag too. My spot isn't there any more. It used to be the turn > at the Spring St. / Sunset Hills Rd. end of the Fx Cnty speedway, err, > parkway (where the Target is). It was a tight left hander with jersey > barriers, then guardrail. On my way to a work, I think it was a Thursday, > June '93. Ahh memories. UH....isn't that where a biker got seriously hurt doing that a few years ago? Speed & Jersey barriers.....no thanks!!! Keener From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 12:42:17 2001 From: lantech To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Veteran's day fun ride--- more info Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:37:59 -0500 Hi Everyone! Paul is pretty much in charge of the ride this Sunday, but I was helping him out getting a place to meet, eat and get ready. We decided on taking over the bar area at a DuPont Circle restaurant called Peppers. It is located at 1527 17th Street NW, which is just past the intersection of 17th and Q streets, NW. Keep in mind that 17th Street is one-way going south, so if you are coming from 14th Street Bridge you will want to go all the way up to R Street, then make a left there to cut over to 17th Street, where you will make another left. Peppers has offered to let us take over a small parking area behind the restaurant. We can fit about 10 bikes there, if I remember correctly. If you are travelling south on 17th Street, you will cross Q street and move to the left. About 1/4 way down the block, you will see an alley on the left; make the left turn into it and you will see the parking pad just ahead on your right, behind the building. Keep in mind that this is a downtown DC alley--- I have never had any issue with theft/vandalism in that area (but don't leave the keys in the bike or stick your $50 bills all over), but being an alley watch out for gravel, cobblestones, other stuff that you don't want to drive over. You can also park on the street; I've never had a real problem parking the bike down there (truck is totally different story!) and they pretty much don't ticket at all on Sunday. Since Paul wants to depart around 1:30, allow yourself time to have lunch at Peppers if you want, or just come on down. Being Sunday they will have eggs/brunchy type things, burgers, salads, etc. Pretty much everything is under $8. Meeting in the bar area will let those of us who don't really know anyone (Like me!!!) wander around and meet and greet. If anyone needs other directions please let me know. Also, anyone wishing to meet at my house before and ride down to DuPont Circle is welcome to join me--- I am just outside of Adams Morgan off of Rock Creek Parkway. Cheers!!! -patti From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 12:53:16 2001 X-Apparently-From: From: "rdrdr" To: Subject: RE: Shipping Engines via UPS Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:52:14 -0500 Just FYI: UPS also takes into consideration for shipping price the package size ! You might want to see if you're within the US Postal Service's limits and send it with them. They don't measure size, just weight. Last year I sold my tall wind screen (from my F650ST). It was lightweight but large. UPS wanted over $50, USPS took $13. I did the buyer a favor and sent it USPS. Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Wed, November 07, 2001 9:16 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Shipping Engines via UPS I'm going to be shipping a GS500 engine via UPS. How do I package it up? 100+ lbs in a cardboard box doesn't seem right. do I put it on bits of pallet and then inside a box? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 12:59:57 2001 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Suspension (Was Tires) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:58:09 -0500 One thing I didn't think to mention about this whole tire debate... Every tire is different - different profile, different carcass stiffness, different outer diameter, etc, etc. Your suspension needs to be set up right for the tire you are running, or the tire will not work as well as it should. When we changed from Dunlop (207GP) to Pirelli (Super Corsa II) this year (due to contingency and availability) it took a couple events to chase down the right suspension setup - it was completely different. When we first put the Pirellis on, the bike simply wouldn't finish a turn - it would start pushing the front as you passed the apex. I was also shreading the rear tire on an Aprilia Cup bike, which shouldn't happen... ever. We *still* don't have the perfect setup for them, but we're a LOT closer now, and I really like the new Pirellis - they heat up quickly and grip like glue (and I'm getting more than 30 laps out of a rear tire now :) ). At the start of next season I plan on using a practice or track day to work on suspension tuning, to get things right and so I know more about how the Pirellis react to changes in setup. Street tires are not going to be as drastic in regard to how they react to the wrong setup, but it's still important to get the bike to handle properly. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 13:07:06 2001 From: Brian Roach To: "rdrdr" , Subject: Re: Shipping Engines via UPS Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:05:13 -0500 On Wednesday 07 November 2001 12:52, rdrdr wrote: > Last year I sold my tall wind screen (from my F650ST). It was lightweight > but large. UPS wanted over $50, USPS took $13. I did the buyer a favor and > sent it USPS. Basically, UPS is built around shipping packages < 150lbs and even then only to a certain size. They make the rates for oversize packages unattractive to focus on this as their core business. You might want to look at forward air (www.forwardair.com). You have to drop it off at the airport, and the person on the other end has to pick it up at the airport, but their rates are very cheap for large, heavy things. We ship entire bikes with them several times a year (some of our customers are well out of driving distance). They ship a whole bike cross country for around $400... I think the last one we did to Texas was only like $250. RPM, FedEx Ground (freight), or other frieght companies are also worth looking into. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 13:32:58 2001 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 2002 SpeedVision != NASCAR only Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:31:12 -0500 Just an FYI for all the people who were worried that SpeedVision was to become the NASCAR channel... http://speedvision01.e-media.com/pub/articles/racing/08inews/011027b.html - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 13:35:51 2001 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:35:49 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Shipping Engines via UPS To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Shouldn't you be asking this question of UPS rather than us? Leon. . . . making a living by looking up answers for people who'd rather pay me to look up the answer than do it themselves. --- matthew patton wrote: > I'm going to be shipping a GS500 engine via UPS. How > do I package it up? 100+ lbs in a cardboard box > doesn't seem right. do I put it on bits of pallet > and > then inside a box? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 14:03:03 2001 From: "Perry Coleman" To: mriderleon@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shipping Engines via UPS Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:51:28 -0500 Leon, Where can I get a job like that? Oh! Never mind, that's what I do now... ;^) I'm a "consultant." Perry >From: Leon Begeman >To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Shipping Engines via UPS >Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:35:49 -0800 (PST) > [snip] > >Leon. >. . . making a living by looking up answers for people >who'd rather pay me to look up the answer than do it >themselves. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 14:03:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11105.mail.yahoo.com (web11105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.152]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fA7J3eP05342 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:03:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011107190339.81942.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:03:39 PST Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:03:39 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Damn, Chuck sure cleans up nice... To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <20011107141037.57337.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chuck works for Cato, a political/military think tank in DC. He was being interviewed regarding the topic of continuing bombing during the Ramadan holy period. We now have our own resident Talking Head(tm). Chris --- Jeannette wrote: > I guess I missed something. Why was he on tv? > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > --- Larry Larson wrote: > > At 09:50 PM 11/6/01, William J. Huson wrote: > > >Anyone else catch Chuck Pena on the TV news > > tonight? In a coat and tie! > > > > Ummm, that would be Charles Pena to us scruffy > biker > > folk (sniff). Just > > like last time on MSNBC, he looked very > > extinguished. A lot different from > > his Cato roles with Peter Sellers. > > > > -- Larry > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 14:22:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ddlexchange.ddlomni.com ([204.245.128.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA7JMhP05643 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from jstrang ([204.245.128.170]) by ddlexchange.ddlomni.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:11:13 -0500 From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Damn, Chuck sure cleans up nice... Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:21:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20011107190339.81942.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2001 19:11:13.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7A64CD0:01C167BF] > We now have our own resident Talking Head(tm). I can't wait to hear Chuck belting out his classic hits: "This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no fooling around No time for dancing, or lovey dovey, I ain't got time for that now..." --jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 15:40:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11101.mail.yahoo.com (web11101.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fA7KerP06898 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:40:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011107204052.71277.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 12:40:52 PST Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:40:52 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: The Perfect Holiday Gift To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Found on www.whowouldbuythat.com: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1024477316 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 16:17:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA7LHtP07494 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.152.3ad0a82 (5713); Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID46-1107161735; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:17:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:17:34 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Perfect Holiday Gift To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <152.3ad0a82.291afeef@aol.com> OK....now THAT was funny. :-) Scooter In a message dated Wed, 7 Nov 2001 3:41:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, Chris Weaver writes: > Found on www.whowouldbuythat.com: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1024477316 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 16:28:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com ([168.144.1.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA7LSIP07658 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w027 ([168.144.108.27]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:28:22 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: Damn, Chuck sure cleans up nice... Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:28:55 -0500 To: "jmstrang@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2001 21:28:22.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[208E94A0:01C167D3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fA7LSJP07659 Jon, you're killing me! %^) I will see if I can't work that in the next time I'm interviewed! Original Message: ----------------- From: Jon Strang jmstrang@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:21:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Damn, Chuck sure cleans up nice... > We now have our own resident Talking Head(tm). I can't wait to hear Chuck belting out his classic hits: "This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no fooling around No time for dancing, or lovey dovey, I ain't got time for that now..." --jon -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 16:31:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA7LVCP07727 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w036 ([168.144.108.36]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:31:19 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Damn, Chuck sre cleans up nice... Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:31:43 -0500 To: "bhuson@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2001 21:31:19.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A0183C0:01C167D3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fA7LVDP07728 The best reaction was from the 2-year old daughter, Marin. She was eating dinner in her highchair. Karen had set up our portable B&W TV for her to watch. When they ran the news piece and cut to my talking head bit, Marin excitedly pointed at the TV and exclaimed "Daddy!" Gotta love that! %^) Original Message: ----------------- From: William J. Huson bhuson@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 21:50:33 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Damn, Chuck sre cleans up nice... Anyone else catch Chuck Pena on the TV news tonight? In a coat and tie! Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 16:59:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe25.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA7LxbP08120 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:59:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:48:21 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [209.119.26.40] From: "Dexter Medley" To: "Chris Weaver" , References: <20011107190339.81942.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Damn, Chuck sure cleans up nice... Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:49:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2001 21:48:21.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB5C6340:01C167D5] From: "Chris Weaver" > ...Cato, a political/military think tank in DC..... Must be a typo, Chris -- I don't see the words "right-wing". -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 17:00:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe49.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.217]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA7M0MP08192 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:00:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:48:26 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [209.119.26.40] From: "Dexter Medley" To: "Jon Strang" , "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Damn, Chuck sure cleans up nice... Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:50:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2001 21:48:26.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE409770:01C167D5] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Strang" > I can't wait to hear Chuck belting out his classic hits: > > "This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, > this ain't no fooling around > No time for dancing, or lovey dovey, > I ain't got time for that now..." Personally, I wanna see him ride to Bike Night in the Big Suit. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 17:34:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA7MYlP08727 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-46-101.s101.tnt4.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.46.101] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 161bHN-00054x-00; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 17:34:41 -0500 Message-ID: <01fd01c167dc$b321fe20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "lantech" , "'Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" References: <2344588A203AD311B7950090276269862CF59B@CWDEXCH0> Subject: Re: Veteran's day DC fun ride--- more info Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:22:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 As a follow-up to Patti's note, drop either of us a line if you need directions to the start point. I'm planning on starting at about 1:30 from Peppers, heading down 17th to Rhode Island Ave., then M St. into Georgetown. Anyone who doesn't want to come to Peppers can meet us at the Exxon next to the Car Barn, on M in Georgetown, just west of the Key Bridge. That's the "official" start point on the ride sheet. I've posted a ride sheet in MS Excel format http://www.wilsonline.org/dcride.xls complete with GPS waypoints. The loop's about 25 miles, ending at the Supreme Court. We'll do some roads that are as twisty as they come in DC (mostly in Rock Creek Park) visit a restored Civil War fort, some historic neighborhoods and climb to the highest point in DC at 429' above sea level. For anyone without a lot of city riding experience, Sunday is the best day to be out and you'll get lots of practice with those low speed maneuvers. Just be vigilant and look out for pot holes and utility cuts. I'll have someone ride sweep who's knowledgeable about the route to keep everyone together as much as possible. Thanks for making the lunch arrangements, Patti. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "lantech" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 12:37 PM Subject: Veteran's day fun ride--- more info > Hi Everyone! > > Paul is pretty much in charge of the ride this Sunday, but I was helping him > out getting a place to meet, eat and get ready. We decided on taking over > the bar area at a DuPont Circle restaurant called Peppers. It is located at > 1527 17th Street NW, which is just past the intersection of 17th and Q > streets, NW. Keep in mind that 17th Street is one-way going south, so if > you are coming from 14th Street Bridge you will want to go all the way up to > R Street, then make a left there to cut over to 17th Street, where you will > make another left. > > Peppers has offered to let us take over a small parking area behind the > restaurant. We can fit about 10 bikes there, if I remember correctly. If > you are travelling south on 17th Street, you will cross Q street and move to > the left. About 1/4 way down the block, you will see an alley on the left; > make the left turn into it and you will see the parking pad just ahead on > your right, behind the building. Keep in mind that this is a downtown DC > alley--- I have never had any issue with theft/vandalism in that area (but > don't leave the keys in the bike or stick your $50 bills all over), but > being an alley watch out for gravel, cobblestones, other stuff that you > don't want to drive over. You can also park on the street; I've never had a > real problem parking the bike down there (truck is totally different story!) > and they pretty much don't ticket at all on Sunday. > > Since Paul wants to depart around 1:30, allow yourself time to have lunch at > Peppers if you want, or just come on down. Being Sunday they will have > eggs/brunchy type things, burgers, salads, etc. Pretty much everything is > under $8. Meeting in the bar area will let those of us who don't really > know anyone (Like me!!!) wander around and meet and greet. > > > If anyone needs other directions please let me know. Also, anyone wishing to > meet at my house before and ride down to DuPont Circle is welcome to join > me--- I am just outside of Adams Morgan off of Rock Creek Parkway. > > Cheers!!! > > -patti > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 17:37:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA7MbmP08814 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:37:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from vaio ([24.6.106.133]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011107223738.XGNL26454.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@vaio> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:37:38 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c167dc$d01ca9d0$6601a8c0@vaio> From: "James Reazor" To: References: <01110713311204.12813@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Subject: Re: 2002 SpeedVision != NASCAR only Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:37:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Apparently they've gone to an all info-mercial format instead. -James '00 SV650 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roach" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 1:31 PM Subject: 2002 SpeedVision != NASCAR only > > Just an FYI for all the people who were worried that SpeedVision was to > become the NASCAR channel... > > http://speedvision01.e-media.com/pub/articles/racing/08inews/011027b.html > > - Roach > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 7 21:19:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA82JsP12054 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:19:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-64.157.59.145.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [64.157.59.145]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA12416 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:19:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3BE9EC05.AEDE7DFF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 21:20:53 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Damn, Chuck sure cleans up nice... References: <20011107190339.81942.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For the record, Cato is NOT a conservative, right wing, Republican think tank. Try Heritage or AEI. Cato is a libertarian (with a little "l") think tank. Yes, on some issues they are considered "conservative", especially WRT fiscal policy, regulation, free markets, and limited government. And it's thus easy to understand why some people would call Cato "conservative" (and that's how the media generally characterizes us). But Cato can be "liberal" when it comes to individual rights/freedoms and civil liberties. At times, we confound and confuse everyone. Cato is pro-2nd amendment, which is generally considered a conservative stance. But Cato is also for the legalization of drugs and believes in a woman's right to choose about abortion, hardly positions embraced by "hard core" conservatives. And on foreign policy and defense issues (my baliwick), are basic policy is "non interventionist" (which is not the same thing as "isolationist", although some would say we are) and that the defense department is not special or different than any other government department/bureaucracy and, therefore, the idea of limited government and fiscal restraint applies to the Department of Defense as well. Again, hardly a "conservative" stance. Probably Cato's greatest "claim to fame" is that they have been championing social security privatization for nearly 25 years. Moto content: Although I've never asked anyone and I don't think they have anything published on the subject, I'm pretty positive Cato would not be in favor of helmet laws. %^) Chuck Dexter Medley wrote: > > From: "Chris Weaver" > > > ...Cato, a political/military think tank in DC..... > > Must be a typo, Chris -- I don't see the words "right-wing". > > -- Larry -- "The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 8 10:18:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([204.179.120.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA8FI2P23767 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:18:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id fA8FGjxN015293 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 07:16:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GMHMHL00.093 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 07:17:45 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GMHMHK00.I1C for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 07:17:44 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:17:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Police get Motorcyclist doing 190mph on radar, and do nothing. From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) http://www.amasuperbike.com/movie/miller/SBKLFsmst3.0.mov A clip from retired road-racer Mark Miller's upcoming film. Regards, Sean Jordan Systems Analyst (703)-886-7661 WORLDCOM From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 8 11:07:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA8G7sP24531 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-186-123.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.186.123] helo=pltrgyst.xhost.org) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 161riY-0003Lk-00; Thu, 08 Nov 2001 08:07:50 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011107235000.00aa6560@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 23:56:21 -0500 To: the_penas@XXXXXX, DC Cycles From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Damn, Chuck sure cleans up nice... In-Reply-To: <3BE9EC05.AEDE7DFF@ix.netcom.com> References: <20011107190339.81942.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:20 PM 11/7/01, Chuck Pena wrote: >... Cato is a libertarian (with a little "l") think tank. Thanks for the clarification, Chuck. Strangely enough, from your summarization, Cato summarizes my personal philosophies to a "T", except perhaps for the second amendment interpretation. On that one I waffle, depending whether I'm thinking selfishly of my own interests as an ex-Ordnance officer, or realizing that the vast majority of gun-owning Americans are as untrained and negligent with firearms as they are with cars. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 8 11:17:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.89]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA8GHmP24672 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:17:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id fA8GGesD012271 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:16:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GMHP9M00.9BX for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:17:46 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GMHP9L00.F8I; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:17:45 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:17:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Subject: Spy Cat; True Story! From: Sean Jordan To: jtonness@XXXXXX, dshaub@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <2301F13B-D464-11D5-9884-003065B452D2@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fA8GHnP24673 http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-kitty06.html Crazy! "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." M-^WErnest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 8 11:20:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA8GKaP24749 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay02.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id fA8GIVKq010945 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:18:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GMHPEA00.9Y7 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:20:34 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GMHPEA00.A8J for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:20:34 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:20:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Subject: Revolution Coffee Lounge From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <87B013DE-D464-11D5-9884-003065B452D2@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fA8GKiP24750 Anyone know why they're "closed indefinitely"? Stopped by last night and that's what the sign in the window said. "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." M-^WErnest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 8 13:19:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13901.mail.yahoo.com (web13901.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.27]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fA8IJ6P26407 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:19:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011108181905.56831.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.76.2] by web13901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:19:05 PST Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:19:05 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: Revolution Coffee Lounge To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <87B013DE-D464-11D5-9884-003065B452D2@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That location seems to be cursed, as three different restaurants have occupied it since I've moved to the area. Hopefully it will reopen, as it was pretty cool place and biker friendly. Keith --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Anyone know why they're "closed indefinitely"? > Stopped by last night and > that's what the sign in the window said. > > > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of > death and the > skillful defiance of it." > > M-^WErnest Becker (1924-1974) > > Sean Jordan > Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing > '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) > '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) > WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 > http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 8 13:44:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web20110.mail.yahoo.com (web20110.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fA8IiZP26759 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:44:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011108184429.2460.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.70.107.68] by web20110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:44:29 PST Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:44:29 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: P&F cycles side-dealing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii P&F is a salvage/parts house in Deleware. I've been keen on getting some stuff from them (eg. 6-pot Tokiko calipers) but all of my auction bids have never reached the reserve amount. Since they can't seem to move them (they have like 3 or 4 sets that keep missing the mark) they were willing to give them to me for less than $100. So if you se something on their list of items and it doesn't get any bids or repeatedly fails to garner the reserve, ask them what they'll take. You might be amazed. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 8 14:26:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA8JQdP27324 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.e6.1defc6cb (3967); Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:26:16 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:26:16 EST Subject: Re: P&F cycles side-dealing To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 In a message dated 11/8/01 1:47:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > P&F is a salvage/parts house in Deleware. I've been > keen on getting some stuff from them (eg. 6-pot Tokiko > calipers) but all of my auction bids have never > reached the reserve amount. Since they can't seem to > move them (they have like 3 or 4 sets that keep > missing the mark) they were willing to give them to me > for less than $100. So if you se something on their > list of items and it doesn't get any bids or > repeatedly fails to garner the reserve, ask them what > they'll take. You might be amazed. I'd be careful. P&F doesn't have the best of reputations. I bought my first motorcycle from them many moons ago. (I grew up in Dover Delaware.) I heard stories of bikes being rebuilt....run without oil by mistake....oil tossed in...and still sold without any warrenty to the customer. I'm sure that you can get some parts from them...but be careful. Keener From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 8 16:24:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA8LOfP29152 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:24:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:24:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200111081624.AA2069430320@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: P&F cycles side-dealing X-Mailer: How do you get on their auction list? thx Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: matthew patton Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:44:29 -0800 (PST) >P&F is a salvage/parts house in Deleware. I've been >keen on getting some stuff from them (eg. 6-pot Tokiko >calipers) but all of my auction bids have never >reached the reserve amount. Since they can't seem to >move them (they have like 3 or 4 sets that keep >missing the mark) they were willing to give them to me >for less than $100. So if you se something on their >list of items and it doesn't get any bids or >repeatedly fails to garner the reserve, ask them what >they'll take. You might be amazed. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Find a job, post your resume. >http://careers.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 8 21:22:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA92MIP03850 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 21:22:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO (1Cust241.tnt38.tco2.da.uu.net [63.48.137.241]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fA92MFD76525 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:22:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000901c168c5$87160da0$f189303f@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Steve's still in the hospital... Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 21:23:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey Kids, From what I heard today at work, Steve Broadstreet is *still* in the hospital (somewhere in Winchester, VA?). Seems they've been draining a lot of fluid from his upper abdomen, he's got some sort of infection in his chest cavity and I don't kow what else. I heard 3rd party that his wife said he's being medicated, either for pain, infections or both. I don't know how his lung's doing. Has anyone made any contact with Steve or his loved ones? Do we know what's up? Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 8 22:08:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA938CP04565 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 22:08:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from JoseQuinones3@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id 2.87.12bffe2d (3869) for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 22:08:03 -0500 (EST) From: JoseQuinones3@XXXXXX Message-ID: <87.12bffe2d.291ca292@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 22:08:02 EST Subject: Americas911ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 http://www.americas911ride.org/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 9 07:11:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13002.mail.yahoo.com (web13002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fA9CBNP12388 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 07:11:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011109121121.40829.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web13002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 04:11:21 PST Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 04:11:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Fwd: [MSF LIST] Fwd: Wanted: near dead bikes for crash testing To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If he's going from NH to FL, he'll be passing right by here... Louis > In a message dated 11/8/01 4:58:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, wade@XXXXXX > writes: > > I know it's a weird request, but I have a chance to conduct > some crash-testing under well-controlled circumstances as > part of a group with the University of North Florida. This > is the type of testing that has been conducted for many > years with cars, but very little has been done with bikes. > We hope to start putting together a database for bikes such > as exists for cars now. We're looking for more bikes to use > as test subjects. Frozen engines, broke trannies, rusty > chrome, etc all OK. They do need tires/wheels that rotate, > and as much of the rest of the bike as possible. I live in > NH, but have to drive south with the test rig in the near > future, so I could pick up a bike or three on the eastern > seaboard along the way. Please contact me off-list if you > can donate to this worthy research project. Thanks. -Wade > Bartlett (603)332-3267 wade@XXXXXX > > > **************************************** > Wade Bartlett, PE, ACTAR, CMAT, blah, blah, blah > Mechanical Forensics Engineering Services, LLC > 145 Charles Street > Rochester NH 03867 > http://mfes.com for business > http://mfes.com/wade/home.html for fun > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 9 07:29:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f99.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA9CThP12687 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 07:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 04:18:31 -0800 Received: from 151.200.109.76 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 12:18:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.76] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Damn, Chuck sure cleans up nice... Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 07:18:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2001 12:18:31.0355 (UTC) FILETIME=[A51FF0B0:01C16918] Libertarians?! How is Cato funded (aside from donations)? You guys don't actually accept government handouts do you? Todd (Springfield, VA) >For the record, Cato is NOT a conservative, right wing, Republican think >tank. Try Heritage or AEI. Cato is a libertarian (with a little "l") >think tank. Yes, on some issues they are considered "conservative", >especially WRT fiscal policy, regulation, free markets, and limited >government. And it's thus easy to understand why some people would call >Cato "conservative" (and that's how the media generally characterizes >us). But Cato can be "liberal" when it comes to individual >rights/freedoms and civil liberties. At times, we confound and confuse >everyone. Cato is pro-2nd amendment, which is generally considered a >conservative stance. But Cato is also for the legalization of drugs and >believes in a woman's right to choose about abortion, hardly positions >embraced by "hard core" conservatives. And on foreign policy and >defense issues (my baliwick), are basic policy is "non interventionist" >(which is not the same thing as "isolationist", although some would say >we are) and that the defense department is not special or different than >any other government department/bureaucracy and, therefore, the idea of >limited government and fiscal restraint applies to the Department of >Defense as well. Again, hardly a "conservative" stance. Probably >Cato's greatest "claim to fame" is that they have been championing >social security privatization for nearly 25 years. > >Moto content: Although I've never asked anyone and I don't think they >have anything published on the subject, I'm pretty positive Cato would >not be in favor of helmet laws. %^) > >Chuck > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 9 07:44:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ddlexchange.ddlomni.com ([204.245.128.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA9CioP12912 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 07:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from jstrang ([204.245.128.170]) by ddlexchange.ddlomni.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Fri, 9 Nov 2001 07:33:16 -0500 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Steve's still in the hospital... Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 07:43:12 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000901c168c5$87160da0$f189303f@apnHOFOJOKO> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2001 12:33:16.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4D070F0:01C1691A] The only Steve number I have is his cell. I've left two voicemails. I can drive to his house, but don't know the address to send a get-well card. Thanks for the info, Howard. --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Howard J. Koontz [mailto:HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:24 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Steve's still in the hospital... > > > Hey Kids, > From what I heard today at work, Steve Broadstreet is *still* in the > hospital (somewhere in Winchester, VA?). Seems they've been draining a lot > of fluid from his upper abdomen, he's got some sort of infection in his > chest cavity and I don't kow what else. I heard 3rd party that > his wife said > he's being medicated, either for pain, infections or both. I > don't know how > his lung's doing. Has anyone made any contact with Steve or his > loved ones? > Do we know what's up? > > Howard J. Koontz > 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard > 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 9 07:49:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ddlexchange.ddlomni.com ([204.245.128.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA9Cn4P12990 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 07:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from jstrang ([204.245.128.170]) by ddlexchange.ddlomni.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Fri, 9 Nov 2001 07:37:23 -0500 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Damn, Chuck sure cleans up nice... Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 07:47:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2001 12:37:23.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[47BB1140:01C1691B] snipped from: http://www.cato.org/about/about.html "In order to maintain an independent posture, the Cato Institute accepts no government funding. Contributions are received from foundations, corporations, and individuals, and other revenue is generated from the sale of publications. The Institute is a nonprofit, tax-exempt educational foundation under Section 501(c)3 of the Internal Revenue Code." --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [mailto:combat_tourer@XXXXXX] > Libertarians?! > > How is Cato funded (aside from donations)? You guys don't > actually accept > government handouts do you? > > Todd (Springfield, VA) > From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 9 08:26:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA9DQ8P13526 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 08:26:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-209.244.214.139.dial1.washington2.level3.net ([209.244.214.139]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 162Bfa-0002uK-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 05:26:07 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200111081624.AA2069430320@mail.toward.com> References: <200111081624.AA2069430320@mail.toward.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 08:22:16 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: P&F cycles side-dealing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >How do you get on their auction list? > go to www.ebay.com -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 9 09:17:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11105.mail.yahoo.com (web11105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.152]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fA9EHiP14383 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:17:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011109141743.43854.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 06:17:43 PST Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 06:17:43 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Motorcycle Trip Reports Site To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I found an interesting page on the web that I thought others might enjoy: http://uweb.superlink.net/user/rriegler/njsbmwmr/braun/flash.html Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 9 09:20:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA9EK7P14462 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.254]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id JAA08081; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:20:05 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-ID: <00e801c16929$a2f0a4e0$0c07a8c0@lhs149teacher> Reply-To: "Danny Thompson" From: "Danny Thompson" To: , "D.C. Cycles" Subject: Dirt Ride Saturday... Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:20:08 -0500 Organization: LHS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Still looking for people who want to get together and ride Saturday. There was a mention of going to West VA to a motocross track, any other ideas or people wanting to ride Saturday? Let's get organized a little. Danny '02 XR 250R '00 SV (racebike) '98 Superhawk '01 Shadow ACE Tourer www.onewayracing.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/01 From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 9 09:53:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fA9Er4P14964 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:53:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011109145303.82288.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 06:53:03 PST Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 06:53:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Steve's still in the hospital... To: "Howard J. Koontz" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000901c168c5$87160da0$f189303f@apnHOFOJOKO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii if you find out exactly where he is, please let us know. maybe we can send him some "get well soon" type of thing as a group.... --- "Howard J. Koontz" wrote: > Hey Kids, > From what I heard today at work, Steve Broadstreet > is *still* in the > hospital (somewhere in Winchester, VA?). Seems they've > been draining a lot > of fluid from his upper abdomen, he's got some sort of > infection in his > chest cavity and I don't kow what else. I heard 3rd party > that his wife said > he's being medicated, either for pain, infections or > both. I don't know how > his lung's doing. Has anyone made any contact with Steve > or his loved ones? > Do we know what's up? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 9 10:05:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com ([168.144.1.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA9F58P15203 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w050 ([168.144.108.50]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:05:00 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Damn, Chuck sure cleans up nice... Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:07:25 -0500 To: "combat_tourer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2001 15:05:00.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7107780:01C1692F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fA9F59P15204 Todd, Jon Strang basically answered your question by quoting from the Cato website. We are non-partisan and do not receive any money either from the government or any political parties. The vast majority of our contributions are from individual donors, although we do have some corporate donors. The pholosophy of our president and founder is to make Cato as independent as possible so we don't even rely on a tremendous amount of corporate funding. And we don't have an endowment so the money has to be raised on an annual basis. I'm sure Cato would welcome you as a donor! %^) Go to: https://www.cato.org/sponsors/index.html Introductory contributions start at $50. Chuck DCCRSC #2 Original Message: ----------------- From: Todd Peer combat_tourer@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 07:18:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Damn, Chuck sure cleans up nice... Libertarians?! How is Cato funded (aside from donations)? You guys don't actually accept government handouts do you? Todd (Springfield, VA) >For the record, Cato is NOT a conservative, right wing, Republican think >tank. Try Heritage or AEI. Cato is a libertarian (with a little "l") >think tank. Yes, on some issues they are considered "conservative", >especially WRT fiscal policy, regulation, free markets, and limited >government. And it's thus easy to understand why some people would call >Cato "conservative" (and that's how the media generally characterizes >us). But Cato can be "liberal" when it comes to individual >rights/freedoms and civil liberties. At times, we confound and confuse >everyone. Cato is pro-2nd amendment, which is generally considered a >conservative stance. But Cato is also for the legalization of drugs and >believes in a woman's right to choose about abortion, hardly positions >embraced by "hard core" conservatives. And on foreign policy and >defense issues (my baliwick), are basic policy is "non interventionist" >(which is not the same thing as "isolationist", although some would say >we are) and that the defense department is not special or different than >any other government department/bureaucracy and, therefore, the idea of >limited government and fiscal restraint applies to the Department of >Defense as well. Again, hardly a "conservative" stance. Probably >Cato's greatest "claim to fame" is that they have been championing >social security privatization for nearly 25 years. > >Moto content: Although I've never asked anyone and I don't think they >have anything published on the subject, I'm pretty positive Cato would >not be in favor of helmet laws. %^) > >Chuck > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 9 10:23:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9703.mail.yahoo.com (web9703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.139]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fA9FNsP15445 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:23:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011109152352.4818.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.128.134.68] by web9703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 07:23:52 PST Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 07:23:52 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: GPS help for lazy guy To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone want to help me map out a ride? I would just go ride it, but I want to get the route out in an email asap. I've ridden all the roads separately before, but never strung together as one contiguous ride with notebook and pen. Anyway, one of the guys is worried that it'll be too long, so I wanted to get a total mileage at least. I don't know of a way to do that with any of the online mapping sites. Is there a way? Thanks, Rich Self-Appointed Road Captain, Potowmack River Chapter, Virginia British Motorcycle Club __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 9 10:46:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA9FkUj00279 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GMJ00HECI7B91@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:40:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GMJ00E01I7928@XXXXXX>; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 15:40:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GMJ00D51I6UFV@XXXXXX>; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 15:40:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 10:39:28 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: GPS help for lazy guy To: Scratch Cc: DCC Message-id: <3BEBF8B0.FEB69C47@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20011109152352.4818.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Scratch wrote: > Anyway, one of the guys is worried that it'll be too > long, so I wanted to get a total mileage at least. I > don't know of a way to do that with any of the online > mapping sites. Is there a way? Rich, If you are willing to spend a little on software, there are a handful of good mapping programs out on the market. Street Atlas (8.0? I think), M$ Streets and Trips, Map N Go, etc. etc. I'm most familiar with Street Atlas, personally. Use it all the time for detailed directions, route planning, "what-if"ing, etc. Any decent s/w package should let you enter your start and end points, let you control the routing decisions (make it take *this* road instead of that one), and give you fairly accurate distance totals. Most offer estimated times to complete the route, but that doesn't factor in any traffic or stopped time, usually. And you can usually get a printout and maps that you can stuff in your tankbag's map pocket and go ride (although I still prefer the standard poker-run type turn-by-turn listings in large fonts) I'm a pretty cheap SOB, but I consider good mapping software to be money well spent. I use it all the time ("Honey, need you to run an errand for me - in Gaithersburg...") sometimes by choice, even. :) Dale -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 9 11:41:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c001.snv.cp.net (c001-h001.c001.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.115]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fA9GfFj01064 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 4407 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 08:40:53 -0800 Received: from 170.252.3.2 (HELO truck.lemrow.com) by smtp.lemrow.com (209.228.32.115) with SMTP; 9 Nov 2001 08:40:53 -0800 X-Sent: 9 Nov 2001 16:40:53 GMT Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011109113703.01f99820@mail.lemrow.com> X-Sender: firblt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 11:40:13 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Justin Lemrow Subject: Re: GPS help for lazy guy In-Reply-To: <3BEBF8B0.FEB69C47@home.com> References: <20011109152352.4818.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed FYI: Delorme (www.delorme.com) is on Street Atlas 9.0 now. Very cool. if you've never used any of them before I would recommend NOT getting the deluxe version. (it is very involved and takes some of the simplicity of routing out of it... plus it's more expensive). I've been using Street Atlas since version 5 i think and love it. i highly recommend it as well. feel free to email me with questions Justin >If you are willing to spend a little on software, >there are a handful of good mapping programs out on >the market. Street Atlas (8.0? I think), M$ Streets >and Trips, Map N Go, etc. etc. I'm most familiar with >Street Atlas, personally. 1999 VFR 800 Northern VA/Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 9 12:08:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA9H8Lj01483 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQlokq00156; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:07:43 GMT Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.136.178]) id QQlokq16507; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:07:21 GMT Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:07:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Subject: Dodge Van experts From: Sean Jordan To: fzr400@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX Message-Id: <35EB3FBA-D534-11D5-9442-003065B452D2@uu.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fA9H8dj01484 Anyone out there know a lot about earl 80's Dodge Vans/trucks? Looking for some information; please respond off-list. Thanks! "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." M-^WErnest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 9 12:23:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe54.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA9HNej01724 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:23:33 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [209.119.26.40] From: "Dexter Medley" To: Cc: Subject: Route planning Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:26:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01C16919.B5718860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2001 17:23:33.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[423242C0:01C16943] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C16919.B5718860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Justin Lemrow" > I've been using Street Atlas since version 5 i think and love it. i = highly > recommend it as well. feel free to email me with questions I've been using MS Streets -- now the 2001 version (2002 just became available, but I haven't gotten it yet) -- and have been very happy with = it. I like its maps better than Delorme's or any others I've tried. You can = get it for as little as $9.95, and it runs either from CD or by loading the entire database onto the hard drive. I carry it on trips in the cage loaded onto a tiny Sony CX-1 palmtop (~9x4x1) in lieu of a paper atlas, and it's great. There's a sample of its route planning output and a segment of the route = to Summit Point at http://www.xhost.org/streets/summit_point.htm. This is=20 what you get when you tell it to generate a Web page; it is not at = maximum=20 scale. -- Larry ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C16919.B5718860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From: "Justin Lemrow" <firblt@XXXXXX>

> I've been using Street Atlas since version 5 i = think and=20 love it. i highly
> recommend it as well. feel free to email me = with=20 questions

I've been using MS Streets -- now the 2001 version = (2002 just=20 became
available, but I haven't gotten it yet) -- and have been very = happy=20 with it.
I like its maps better than Delorme's or any others I've = tried. You=20 can get
it for as little as $9.95, and it runs either from CD or by = loading=20 the
entire database onto the hard drive.

I carry it on trips = in the=20 cage loaded onto a tiny Sony CX-1 palmtop
(~9x4x1) in lieu of a paper = atlas,=20 and it's great.

There's a sample of its route planning output and = a=20 segment of the route to
Summit Point at http://www.xhost.o= rg/streets/summit_point.htm. This is
what you get when you tell it to = generate a Web=20 page; it is not at maximum
scale.

--=20 Larry

------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C16919.B5718860-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 9 12:26:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe21.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.125]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA9HQej01738 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:25:57 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [209.119.26.40] From: "Dexter Medley" To: Subject: Route planning Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:28:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1691A.0F02EA40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2001 17:25:57.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[97EE32A0:01C16943] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1691A.0F02EA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Justin Lemrow" > I've been using Street Atlas since version 5 i think and love it. i = highly > recommend it as well. feel free to email me with questions I've been using MS Streets -- now the 2001 version (2002 just became available, but I haven't gotten it yet) -- and have been very happy with = it. I like its maps better than Delorme's or any others I've tried. You can = get it for as little as $9.95, and it runs either from CD or by loading the entire database onto the hard drive. I carry it on trips in the cage loaded onto a tiny Sony CX-1 palmtop (~9x4x1) in lieu of a paper atlas, and it's great. There's a sample of its route planning output and a segment of the route = to Summit Point at http://www.xhost.org/streets/summit_point.htm. This is=20 what you get when you tell it to generate a Web page; it is not at = maximum=20 scale. -- Larry ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1691A.0F02EA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From: "Justin Lemrow" <firblt@XXXXXX>

> I've been using Street Atlas since version 5 i = think and=20 love it. i highly
> recommend it as well. feel free to email me = with=20 questions

I've been using MS Streets -- now the 2001 version = (2002 just=20 became
available, but I haven't gotten it yet) -- and have been very = happy=20 with it.
I like its maps better than Delorme's or any others I've = tried. You=20 can get
it for as little as $9.95, and it runs either from CD or by = loading=20 the
entire database onto the hard drive.

I carry it on trips = in the=20 cage loaded onto a tiny Sony CX-1 palmtop
(~9x4x1) in lieu of a paper = atlas,=20 and it's great.

There's a sample of its route planning output and = a=20 segment of the route to
Summit Point at http://www.xhost.o= rg/streets/summit_point.htm. This is
what you get when you tell it to = generate a Web=20 page; it is not at maximum
scale.

--=20 Larry

------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1691A.0F02EA40-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 9 12:48:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA9HmZj02099 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:48:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:47:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200111091247.AA51184248@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: P&F cycles side-dealing X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Thomas Jordan Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 08:22:16 -0500 >>How do you get on their auction list? >> >go to www.ebay.com That works only if you know that their seller id is "pandf@XXXXXX" Searches for P&F don't turn up anything. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 9 16:22:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13008.mail.yahoo.com (web13008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fA9LMpj05249 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:22:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011109212245.73799.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.86.210] by web13008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 13:22:45 PST Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:22:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Motorcycle Trip Reports Site To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20011109141743.43854.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've had his book for several years now. A very good read. Basically several stories about various motorcycle (and some non-motorcycle) things in his life. Louis --- Chris Weaver wrote: > I found an interesting page on the web that I thought > others might enjoy: > > http://uweb.superlink.net/user/rriegler/njsbmwmr/braun/flash.html > > Chris > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 10 20:54:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAB1sZj01938 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from norc (dial038.king-george.246.crosslink.net [207.199.164.43]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id UAA26553 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:53:33 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20011110205031.00df59c0@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:53:29 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Steve's still in the hospital... In-Reply-To: <20011109145303.82288.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <000901c168c5$87160da0$f189303f@apnHOFOJOKO> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:53 AM 11/9/01 , you wrote: >if you find out exactly where he is, please let us know. >maybe we can send him some "get well soon" type of thing as >a group.... Steve is in Winchester Medical Ctr 1840 Amherst St Winchester, VA (540) 536-8000 room 340 Andrew C. '90 EX500 '01 ZR-7S From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 11 17:15:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fABMF6j19290 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:15:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-101-160.s541.tnt8.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.101.160] helo=66.44.101.160) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 1632sN-0005JN-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:14:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3BEEA298.3585@starpower.net> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:08:56 -0500 From: Paul Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SP32599 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Smart-Tag followup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple of weeks ago I posted on the Smart-Tag transponder and its ideal location on the bike. Results: in my experience it has to go on the windshield to get reliable readings. I put it in the Givi top box and got about 25% reading. It's not too bad to leave the hook and loop tape on the windshield and mount it only when you're going to be using a toll facility. I notice that the overheard devices seem to be mounted to the right of the lane, at least at the westbound main toll plaza near Rt. 7. It helps to drive directly under the thing to get a good reading. Some of them are hard to see at night. Paul in DC 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 11 17:15:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fABMF0j19288 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:15:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-101-160.s541.tnt8.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.101.160] helo=66.44.101.160) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 1632sR-0005Jt-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:14:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3BEEF996.7482@starpower.net> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:20:06 -0500 From: Paul Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SP32599 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Today's DC ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We had 13 bikes turn out for todays' DC ride. Aside for a little confusion when the two groups got separated by a traffic light, we managed to stay together, although I gather "group 2" missed the twisties of Rock Creek Park. We stopped at Ft. Stevens to survey the Civil War fortifications (duly replicated in concrete by the Park Service) and then ended up in SE at Fort Dupont. Hope everyone had a good time. The highlight for me was hearing Carl's "Big Honking Tooters." :) Paul in DC 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 08:42:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ddlexchange.ddlomni.com ([204.245.128.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fACDg4j03006 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from jstrang ([204.245.128.170]) by ddlexchange.ddlomni.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:30:19 -0500 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Sunday's DC ride--tanks guise Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:40:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3BEEF996.7482@starpower.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2001 13:30:20.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C8687F0:01C16B7E] Thank you to Paul Wilson, Patti "lantech", "VFR" Lisa, and everyone else who guided my Arlington-based self through the District. And thanks to Carl "Big Honkin' Tooters" for ensuring that none of the goslings were separated from the gaggle. That was the first time I've ever ridden my bike in DC; I had a grand time taking in the sights. Good choice in brunch spots, too. Thanks again, all. --jon the hooligan 01 Suz Bandit 1200 ...and to think that you *can* navigate the District off of the bicycle paths and out of metro system. wow. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 09:32:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fACEWNj03871 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-51-11.s265.tnt6.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.51.11] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 163I8L-0003Ud-00; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:32:22 -0500 Message-ID: <008d01c16b87$4a023460$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Jon Strang" , References: Subject: Re: Sunday's DC ride--tanks guise Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:35:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 You're welcome, Jon, now about that problem you were having with your front wheel.... :) Paul in DC 95 VFR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Strang" > Thank you to Paul Wilson, Patti "lantech", "VFR" Lisa, and everyone else who > guided my Arlington-based self through the District. > > --jon the hooligan > 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > > ...and to think that you *can* navigate the District off of the bicycle > paths and out of metro system. wow. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 09:59:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com (mail.mckissackdc.com [209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fACExPj04304 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:59:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:58:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday's DC ride--tanks guise Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:58:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Everyone will be happy to know my bike made it to the shop last night, where I dropped it off for the new chain and sprockets. I realized on my way I didn't have my smarttag though, so I tried the 2nd to left lane on the left trick, worked like a charm. Thanks everyone for the ride yesterday. Rich 94 Seca II -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 9:35 AM To: Jon Strang; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday's DC ride--tanks guise You're welcome, Jon, now about that problem you were having with your front wheel.... :) Paul in DC 95 VFR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Strang" > Thank you to Paul Wilson, Patti "lantech", "VFR" Lisa, and everyone else who > guided my Arlington-based self through the District. > > --jon the hooligan > 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > > ...and to think that you *can* navigate the District off of the bicycle > paths and out of metro system. wow. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 10:19:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com (mail.mckissackdc.com [209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fACFJBj04675 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:18:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday's DC ride--tanks guise Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:18:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The second lane from the left, if you get in the far left, the sensor doesn't pick up the smarttag, but it also doesn't register a vehicle went through, so you don't get the blue light, the light just stays red. -----Original Message----- From: Pejman Taei [mailto:pejmancbr600f3@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:17 AM To: Rich Hall; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday's DC ride--tanks guise Hello everyone. I had a quick questions. Everytime I go through the toll with my smart tag it never works! So I end up passing it illegally every time. I just heard Rich say that he "tried the 2nd to left lane on the left trick, worked like a charm". What does this exactly mean, and what if I have my smart tag with me, where do I put it. Thanks, Pejman. >From: RichH@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Sunday's DC ride--tanks guise >Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:58:23 -0500 > >Everyone will be happy to know my bike made it to the shop last night, >where >I dropped it off for the new chain and sprockets. >I realized on my way I didn't have my smarttag though, so I tried the 2nd >to >left lane on the left trick, worked like a charm. >Thanks everyone for the ride yesterday. >Rich >94 Seca II > > -----Original Message----- >From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 9:35 AM >To: Jon Strang; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Sunday's DC ride--tanks guise > >You're welcome, Jon, now about that problem you were having with your front >wheel.... >:) > >Paul in DC >95 VFR >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jon Strang" > > > Thank you to Paul Wilson, Patti "lantech", "VFR" Lisa, and everyone else >who > > guided my Arlington-based self through the District. > > > > --jon the hooligan > > 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > > > > ...and to think that you *can* navigate the District off of the bicycle > > paths and out of metro system. wow. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 10:28:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f50.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fACFS6j04860 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 07:16:35 -0800 Received: from 63.75.33.2 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:16:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.75.33.2] From: "Pejman Taei" To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday's DC ride--tanks guise Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:16:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2001 15:16:35.0216 (UTC) FILETIME=[04710100:01C16B8D] Hello everyone. I had a quick questions. Everytime I go through the toll with my smart tag it never works! So I end up passing it illegally every time. I just heard Rich say that he "tried the 2nd to left lane on the left trick, worked like a charm". What does this exactly mean, and what if I have my smart tag with me, where do I put it. Thanks, Pejman. >From: RichH@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Sunday's DC ride--tanks guise >Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:58:23 -0500 > >Everyone will be happy to know my bike made it to the shop last night, >where >I dropped it off for the new chain and sprockets. >I realized on my way I didn't have my smarttag though, so I tried the 2nd >to >left lane on the left trick, worked like a charm. >Thanks everyone for the ride yesterday. >Rich >94 Seca II > > -----Original Message----- >From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 9:35 AM >To: Jon Strang; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Sunday's DC ride--tanks guise > >You're welcome, Jon, now about that problem you were having with your front >wheel.... >:) > >Paul in DC >95 VFR >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jon Strang" > > > Thank you to Paul Wilson, Patti "lantech", "VFR" Lisa, and everyone else >who > > guided my Arlington-based self through the District. > > > > --jon the hooligan > > 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > > > > ...and to think that you *can* navigate the District off of the bicycle > > paths and out of metro system. wow. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 11:56:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ddlexchange.ddlomni.com ([204.245.128.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fACGuJj06360 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from jstrang ([204.245.128.170]) by ddlexchange.ddlomni.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:44:37 -0500 From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: bandwidth hog, but worth a view Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:54:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2001 16:44:37.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[51245B30:01C16B99] ~31MB video. http://www.bcsportbikes.com/movies/ryanr_creation01.mpg --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 12:32:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f11.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fACHWBj06960 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:20:50 -0800 Received: from 64.241.20.252 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:20:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.241.20.252] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: FW: Ducati Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:20:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2001 17:20:50.0250 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FFCEAA0:01C16B9E] Below is from a guy at my office that's selling his bike due to a move. I must say, it is a nice bike....chrome tank...kinda cool lookin. Razz '99 ZX9R '89 LTD454 '86 LTD454 Check out the "Conflicted Interest" web site! www.conflictedinterest.com '01 Ducati M900 Cromo Miles: 3,400 Forza Pipes/K&N air filter/Power commander fuel injection kit Garage kept w/cover, excellent condition Price: $9,000 Nicholas Steinmetz cell 703.517.9571 office: 703.234.8410 home: 703.525.6033 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 12:32:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fACHWGj06970 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:32:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from kawgirl (kawgirl.kivex.com [208.213.150.18]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id MAA22254 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:32:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:31:33 -0500 (EST) From: "lisa@XXXXXX" X-Sender: lgoddard@kawgirl Reply-To: "lisa@XXXXXX" To: dccycles Subject: DC ride Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would like to thank Paul Wilson for leading a nice ride through DC yesterday. I had a nice time and enjoyed meeting some new faces. Lisa '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 14:42:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11003.mail.yahoo.com (web11003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fACJgcj08959 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:42:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011112194237.70741.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.59.121.41] by web11003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:42:37 PST Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:42:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Davison, Scott" Subject: Re: bandwidth hog, but worth a view To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You know, even though I really do hope those who crashed are ok, they sure did deserve it! Cool vid tho. What did you use to edit it? -scott --- Jon Strang wrote: > ~31MB video. > > http://www.bcsportbikes.com/movies/ryanr_creation01.mpg > > --jon > 01 Suz Bandit 1200 ===== www.throttlegrip.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 14:55:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c001.snv.cp.net (c001-h000.c001.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fACJtVj09182 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 14366 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2001 11:55:24 -0800 Received: from 170.252.3.2 (HELO truck.lemrow.com) by smtp.lemrow.com (209.228.32.114) with SMTP; 12 Nov 2001 11:55:24 -0800 X-Sent: 12 Nov 2001 19:55:24 GMT Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011112145139.02056050@mail.lemrow.com> X-Sender: firblt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:52:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Justin Lemrow Subject: Fwd: possible toll reduction for golden gate bridge riders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed from the VFR list: maybe the AMA can help us out with the VA/MD tolls :) >ok... I just got a letter from the AMA and would like to pass this on to >anyone that may help with this matter that may not be an AMA member or in >the bay area. > >There recently was a petition that was signed by over 2000 people that was >sent to the Golden Gate Bridge board on sept 28th and then again on the >12th of october. the board stated they would formally consider the >proposal to ELIMINATE TOLLS for motorcycles on the GGBridge with in the >next few months. > >We need as many people as possible to flood the Board with support for >this motion. > >" the AMA finds that the majority of public and private toll facilities >assess excessive tolls on motorcycles, motorcycles with sidecars, and >motorcycles towing trailers. The common practice of including motorcycles >with two axle passenger cars, and motorcycles with sidecars or trailers >with three-axle vehicles, for purposes of establishing and collecting >tolls ignores the characteristics of motorcycles which result in virtually >no wear or tear to infrastructure; most notably their light weight, small >size, single track design and fuel efficiency>" > > >points to include. > >1 >The Light weight and single track design of motorcycles cause virtually no >wear and tear to infrastructure. Because of this no toll facility >maintenance costs can reasonably be attributed to motorcycle use. > >2 >Motorcycles weigh significantly less than passenger cars. Many toll rates >are based on weight. Most two-axle passenger vehicles weigh in excess of >3,000 pounds, three axle vehicles weigh considerably more. Motorcycles >weigh between 400 and 700 pounds. even with a sidecar or trailer >motorcycles seldom exceed 1000 pounds. > >3 >Motorcycle traffic consumes little in toll facility resources. Because >only 2% of registered vehicles are motorcycles they represent a small >fraction of total vehicular traffic. Motorcycle resource utilization of >services and amenities on toll facilities is correspondingly a small >fraction of total vehicular consumption. > >4. >Motorcycles reduce congestion and are more fuel efficient than motor >vehicles Motorcycles average 50 mpg of fuel, passenger cars 22.5 mpg The >wheelbase of a motorcycle is typically half that of an automobile. >Motorcycles occupy less space while parked in a line or mobile, than >passenger cars. These factors combined with the maneuverability >advantages of motorcycles contribute to reduced congestion and energy >conservation. > >5. >Motorcycles are often unable to take advantage of the new fasTrack >system. They are forces to stop at the tollbooth and fumble for the toll, >increasing traffic congestion and toll collection inefficiency. > >In summary it is appropriate that the benefits of motorcycle use be >recognized and encouraged through the complete elimination of the toll for >motorcycles on the Golden Gate bridge. > >please forward your comments to help this matter to.. > >Golden Gate Bridge Board of Directors >PO box 9000 >Presidio Station >San Francisco, CA 94239-0601 > >email: > >jtarantino@XXXXXX > >and to > >San Francisco Board of Supervisors >1 Dr. Carleton B Goodlet Place #244 >San Francisco, CA 94102-4689 > >email: > >Board_of_Supervisors@XXXXXX > 1999 VFR 800 Northern VA/Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 15:02:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fACK2cj09329 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-118-61.s61.tnt11.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.118.61] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 163NHx-0004Ed-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:02:37 -0500 Message-ID: <003501c16bb5$67835f40$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Another note on Smart-Tag Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:05:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I noticed this morning in perusing Dr. Gridlock that VA has *no* plans to make Smart-Tag compatible with EZ-Pass citing heavy commuter use rather than through traveler use. That's probably true from the "Richmond as center of the universe" mentality that holds sway at VDOT. Less true in the DC region where Baltimore and No.Va. are considered part of the same region. Maryland is now linked up with EZ-Pass so you can travel from Boston to Baltimore on the EZ-Pass. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 15:16:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ddlexchange.ddlomni.com ([204.245.128.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fACKG8j09570 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from jstrang ([204.245.128.170]) by ddlexchange.ddlomni.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:04:26 -0500 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: bandwidth hog, but worth a view Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:14:29 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20011112194237.70741.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2001 20:04:26.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[3AEDCC40:01C16BB5] Not my video, sorry, so I don't know what he used. My favorite is the feet-over-the-bars wheelie. That guy has some cojones for riding a big wheelie without a foot over the rear brake. Not brains, maybe, but definitely cojones grandes. I hate to admit it, but I do get quite a chuckle out of some of the squidly moves that almost surely resulted in injury. Not that I haven't done stoopitter things in the past. It's a guilty pleasure. --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Davison, Scott [mailto:mra510@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:43 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: bandwidth hog, but worth a view > > > You know, even though I really do hope those who > crashed are ok, they sure did deserve it! > Cool vid tho. What did you use to edit it? > > -scott > > --- Jon Strang wrote: > > ~31MB video. > > > > > http://www.bcsportbikes.com/movies/ryanr_creation01.mpg > > > > --jon > > 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > > > ===== > www.throttlegrip.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 15:40:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fACKeFj09905 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:40:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-104-250.s250.tnt12.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.104.250] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 163NsL-00022f-00; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:40:13 -0500 Message-ID: <009901c16bba$a6b121c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "lisa@XXXXXX" , "dccycles" References: Subject: Re: DC ride Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:39:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 We could make it a regular "thing." "Second Sunday Brunch Bunch" or something like that with interesting nearby riding destinations, not necessarily in the District, every time. Think of it as an off-season Bike Night with a riding component. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "lisa@XXXXXX" To: "dccycles" Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: DC ride > > > I would like to thank Paul Wilson for leading a nice ride through DC > yesterday. I had a nice time and enjoyed meeting some new faces. > > Lisa > '95 VFR > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 16:02:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13906.mail.yahoo.com (web13906.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fACL2lj10269 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:02:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011112210245.8156.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.76.2] by web13906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:02:45 PST Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:02:45 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: Another note on Smart-Tag To: dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <003501c16bb5$67835f40$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii While I live in VA, I don't claim to understand any of their transportation or political decisions. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > I noticed this morning in perusing Dr. Gridlock that > VA has *no* plans to > make > Smart-Tag compatible with EZ-Pass citing heavy > commuter use rather than > through traveler use. That's probably true from the > "Richmond as center of > the universe" mentality that holds sway at VDOT. > Less true in the DC region > where Baltimore and No.Va. are considered part of > the same region. Maryland > is now linked up with EZ-Pass so you can > travel from Boston to Baltimore on the EZ-Pass. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F > www.wilsonline.org > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 16:10:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com (mail.mckissackdc.com [209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fACLAcj10358 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:10:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:09:42 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC rides Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:09:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I like the idea, I promise to have a properly lubed and tightened chain for the next one too. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 3:40 PM To: lisa@XXXXXX; dccycles Subject: Re: DC ride We could make it a regular "thing." "Second Sunday Brunch Bunch" or something like that with interesting nearby riding destinations, not necessarily in the District, every time. Think of it as an off-season Bike Night with a riding component. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "lisa@XXXXXX" To: "dccycles" Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: DC ride > > > I would like to thank Paul Wilson for leading a nice ride through DC > yesterday. I had a nice time and enjoyed meeting some new faces. > > Lisa > '95 VFR > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 16:22:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fACLMGj10596 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:22:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-113-83.s337.tnt8.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.113.83] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 163OX1-0006Db-00; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:22:16 -0500 Message-ID: <007e01c16bc0$80779ce0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Keith Lamond" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20011112210245.8156.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Another note on Smart-Tag Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:25:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 As some wag once said, "Va. is not a state, it's a state of mind." Oh well, it's not a state at all, rather a commonwealth. :) FWIW, even the WV Turnpike accepts EZ-Pass. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Lamond" > While I live in VA, I don't claim to understand any of > their transportation or political decisions. > > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > I noticed this morning in perusing Dr. Gridlock that > > VA has *no* plans to > > make > > Smart-Tag compatible with EZ-Pass ..... From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 16:28:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10501.mail.yahoo.com (web10501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.151]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fACLSfj10721 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:28:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011112212836.53856.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.244.214.30] by web10501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:28:36 PST Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:28:36 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Canterbury Subject: Re: DC ride To: dccycles In-Reply-To: <009901c16bba$a6b121c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That sounds fantastic to me. I was unable to make this past Sunday's ride. As a newbie, I would welcome the opportunity to take a few rides with experienced riders. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > We could make it a regular "thing." "Second Sunday > Brunch Bunch" or > something like that with interesting nearby riding > destinations, not > necessarily in the District, every time. Think of > it as an off-season Bike > Night with a riding component. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F > www.wilsonline.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lisa@XXXXXX" > To: "dccycles" > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:31 PM > Subject: DC ride > > > > > > > > I would like to thank Paul Wilson for leading a > nice ride through DC > > yesterday. I had a nice time and enjoyed meeting > some new faces. > > > > Lisa > > '95 VFR > > > > > > > > > > ===== -->m. '00 EX500 ----------------------------------------------- "It was too much tequila, or not quite enough." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 16:33:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([204.179.120.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fACLX0j10798 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id fACLJvWo015797 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GMPIHU00.HXF for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:32:18 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GMPIHT00.C0Z for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:32:17 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:32:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Subject: Another bike I want and will never get. From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fACLX3j10799 http://automotor.netscape.de/automotor/motorrad/aktuell/news/bild.jsp?bigpicUrl= %2Fcontent%2FAuto_Article_EXT%2F186437_1004435648769.jpg&picText=X-Games-Studie%3A+ Yamaha+Tricker "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." M-^WErnest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 16:35:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11501.mail.yahoo.com (web11501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fACLZgj10875 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:35:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011112213541.51495.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.4] by web11501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:35:41 PST Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:35:41 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Another note on Smart-Tag To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <003501c16bb5$67835f40$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So do the Maryland lanes now say something to the effect of "EZ-Pass accepted"? Glenn --- Paul Wilson wrote: > I noticed this morning in perusing Dr. Gridlock that > VA has *no* plans to > make > Smart-Tag compatible with EZ-Pass citing heavy > commuter use rather than > through traveler use. That's probably true from the > "Richmond as center of > the universe" mentality that holds sway at VDOT. > Less true in the DC region > where Baltimore and No.Va. are considered part of > the same region. Maryland > is now linked up with EZ-Pass so you can > travel from Boston to Baltimore on the EZ-Pass. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F > www.wilsonline.org > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 16:35:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9010.mail.yahoo.com (web9010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fACLZtj10885 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:35:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011112213554.62464.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.8.43.134] by web9010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:35:54 PST Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:35:54 -0800 (PST) From: Tight Squeeze Racing Subject: FS: '99 SV Frame with Title To: List SV650 , MicaPeak Race List , DC Cycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone interested in a frame with or without swingarm? - 1999 SV650 Frame with swingarm & title - Raced, wrecked, and raced again. - Price negotiable, start at $1000 - Buyer pays S&H from 20151 Thanks, ===== Steve Clark http://www.TightSqueezeRacing.org '01 Suz SV 650 - WERA #16, CCS #167, MARRC #2352 ----- Sponsored By ----- http://www.FastLaneCycles.com http://www.RamMC.net <- Carbon Fiber Bodywork __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 16:59:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11501.mail.yahoo.com (web11501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fACLxdj11255 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:59:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011112215937.55808.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.4] by web11501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:59:37 PST Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:59:37 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Another note on Smart-Tag To: Keith Lamond , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <20011112210245.8156.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And who can??? VDOT enginners seem to have their heads up their asses! Glenn --- Keith Lamond wrote: > While I live in VA, I don't claim to understand any > of > their transportation or political decisions. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 16:59:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fACLxmj11265 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQlowl26263; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:59:46 GMT Received: from usashexims04.corp.us.uu.net by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.84.15]) id QQlowl26887; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:59:26 GMT Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:50:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Forbes, Trey" To: "'Paul Wilson'" , Keith Lamond Cc: dc-cycles list Subject: RE: Another note on Smart-Tag Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:50:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" its actually the communistwealth of virginia ;) -T -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 4:25 PM To: Keith Lamond Cc: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Another note on Smart-Tag As some wag once said, "Va. is not a state, it's a state of mind." Oh well, it's not a state at all, rather a commonwealth. :) FWIW, even the WV Turnpike accepts EZ-Pass. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Lamond" > While I live in VA, I don't claim to understand any of > their transportation or political decisions. > > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > I noticed this morning in perusing Dr. Gridlock that > > VA has *no* plans to > > make > > Smart-Tag compatible with EZ-Pass ..... From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 17:01:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fACM1Cj11337 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:01:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-45-35.s289.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.45.35] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 163P8h-00002i-00; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:01:11 -0500 Message-ID: <00d701c16bc5$f0f37160$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Glenn Dysart" , "dc-cycles list" References: <20011112213541.51495.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Another note on Smart-Tag Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:03:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I guess so, as according to the Gridlock column, "M-Tag" will soon be history and fully integrated into EZ-Pass. I've not seen any signs for myself, as I tend to avoid using the Balmer tunnels if at all possible. Paul in DC 95 VFR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Dysart" > So do the Maryland lanes now say something to the > effect of "EZ-Pass accepted"? > > Glenn From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 17:10:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fACMAUj11440 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-45-35.s289.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.45.35] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 163PHh-00028M-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:10:30 -0500 Message-ID: <00fc01c16bc7$3d9196e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20011112215937.55808.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Another note on Smart-Tag Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:13:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I enrolled in Smart-Tag via the web site about a month ago and the thing arrived (after a considerable anthrax delay) in a padded envelope with a hand-written address and a poor quality photocopy of barely legible installation instructions. The Smart-Tag mail/web site order business must be a small time operation run out of someone's basement. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Dysart" > And who can??? VDOT enginners seem to have their > heads up their asses! > > Glenn > > --- Keith Lamond wrote: > > While I live in VA, I don't claim to understand any > > of > > their transportation or political decisions. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 12 23:06:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAD464j17070 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-54-26.s26.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.54.26] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 163Upm-0006wj-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:06:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c16bf8$b25bb2e0$1a362c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: References: <200111120000.fAC00Bj20746@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Today's DC ride -- via: dc-cycles digest for 11/11/01 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:07:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I had a good time Paul. Thanks again for putting it together. I must say though, that was the longest 2.5 hour 23mile trip I've ever taken ;-) Todd (Springfield, VA) > From: Paul Wilson > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Today's DC ride > > We had 13 bikes turn out for todays' DC ride. Aside for a little > confusion when the two groups got separated by a traffic light, we > managed to stay together, although I gather "group 2" missed the > twisties of Rock Creek Park. We stopped at Ft. Stevens to survey the > Civil War fortifications (duly replicated in concrete by the Park > Service) and then ended up in SE at Fort Dupont. Hope everyone had a > good time. The highlight for me was hearing Carl's "Big Honking > Tooters." :) > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 08:07:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADD7gj25255 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:07:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:09:43 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666AE3F@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'pawilson@XXXXXX'" Subject: DC ride - warm throat Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:09:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Paul posted, "We had 13 bikes turn out for todays' DC ride. Hope everyone had a good time." I didn't see any sad faces and mine was amongst the grinning ones. Thanks Paul. 'Tis always a fine experience to associate names with faces. Sorry I didn't make to Poppers soon enough to chew the fat. It'd been a long time since I had visited the forts. Valuable lesson learned: Those cheep Chinese folding pliers aren't worth the $5.00. Sunday, I offered a "Coleman" multi tool to pull a cotter pin. The pliers broke - metal failure across the "forging". So, guess the $20 paid for my well-used Gerber was money well spent. Second lesson: Zuk Bandits spend a lot of time on one wheel or another. Oh wait, I already knew that. :^> "The highlight for me was hearing Carl's "Big Honking Tooters." :)" Awww, shucks. They came in handy as a gentle wake up to a pick up driver on 395 as he started drifting into my lane without signaling or looking. I could see his face in his side mirror; so, I was visible but he wasn't looking or was nooging. warm throat: I own and have recommended the "Turtle Fur" neck gaiters (~$10 at REI). Dropped by G Street Fabrics last night and bought a 1/4 yard of Polartec "Windbloc" for $5.25. Snipped it in half, wrapped one half around my neck this morning and was pleased no breeze whistled through. Plus, it's thinner than the Turtle Fur. Important for us fat-necked folk. Now I just need to staple some Velcro on the ends. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 08:15:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fADDF8j25415 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:15:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011113131508.17984.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.119.41.232] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 05:15:08 PST Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 05:15:08 -0800 (PST) From: "CBR's Rule" Subject: Re: Another note on Smart-Tag To: Paul Wilson , Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <00d701c16bc5$f0f37160$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In Maryland - EZ Pass works on all of the tolls, its been that way for a least a month if not longer. Even though I hate tolls with a passion, it sure does make the trip through the tolls booths faster. Don B. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > I guess so, as according to the Gridlock column, > "M-Tag" will soon be > history and fully integrated into EZ-Pass. I've not > seen any signs for > myself, as I tend to avoid using the > Balmer tunnels if at all possible. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Dysart" > > > So do the Maryland lanes now say something to the > > effect of "EZ-Pass accepted"? > > > > Glenn > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 09:06:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADE6nj26279 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcmail2b.dc.gov ([10.128.7.15]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20011113140647.PDJN26296.dcmail0@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:06:47 -0500 Received: from [10.128.7.18] by dcmail2b.dc.gov with SMTP id <20011113140546.POUY4246.dcmail2b@[10.128.7.18]> for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:05:46 -0500 From: Patti Rodgers Organization: Center for Workforce Development To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: DC ride Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 9:06:47 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20011113140546.POUY4246.dcmail2b@[10.128.7.18]> I had a great time too, and glad to finally put a few names with faces. A once-a-month thing would be great... and thanks, Lisa, for making me giggle (which I still am!) by pointing out your own favorite local landmark!!! -patti > From: "Paul Wilson" > Date: 2001/11/12 Mon PM 03:39:55 EST > To: "lisa@XXXXXX" , > "dccycles" > Subject: Re: DC ride > > We could make it a regular "thing." "Second Sunday Brunch Bunch" or > something like that with interesting nearby riding destinations, not > necessarily in the District, every time. Think of it as an off-season Bike > Night with a riding component. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F > www.wilsonline.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lisa@XXXXXX" > To: "dccycles" > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:31 PM > Subject: DC ride > > > > > > > > I would like to thank Paul Wilson for leading a nice ride through DC > > yesterday. I had a nice time and enjoyed meeting some new faces. > > > > Lisa > > '95 VFR > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 09:10:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from worldtalk1.cooley.com (smtp-pebbles-wtalk.cooley.com [204.253.195.206]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fADEAgj26315 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.11.50.23 by worldtalk1.cooley.com with ESMTP ( WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay(WSS) v4.5); Tue, 13 Nov 2001 06:10:34 -0800 X-Server-Uuid: c4da1ae6-7048-11d2-bc8e-00a083360239 Received: by REEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:10:33 -0500 Message-ID: <7FEDB62047F5D311ACA10090274035030133CD5E@REEXCHANGE> From: "Lee, Robert" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VIR North, this weekend with TPM Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:10:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 17EFF650664688-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone still itching for a little track time, Team Pro-Motion will be holding a track day at VIR north this weekend Nov 17-18. The weather looks to be (by forecast) in the mid 60's and sunny, 40's at night. Contact the office at 215.675.5080 or use the online form. http://www.teampromotion.com/events/events.htm A ccard is required to reserve your slot. Instruction is available at all levels including the ART I & II training (Himmelsbach/Pyles as advertised at Summit Point and other events) along with a racing certification class. They are offering some incentives to sign up so if you have the time they've got the place. www.teampromotion.com aloha robert lee CCS 695 ======================================================= This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 09:21:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fcmail01.ipcfcdom.inphonic.com (fc10.inphonic.com [64.241.203.10] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADEL6j26559 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqrs02.ipcfcdom.inphonic.com ([10.1.1.5]) by fcmail01.ipcfcdom.inphonic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:20:56 -0500 Received: from [10.1.1.55] ([10.1.1.55]) by hqrs02.ipcfcdom.inphonic.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:20:55 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:19:38 -0500 Subject: DC Ride From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2001 14:20:55.0637 (UTC) FILETIME=[684F7050:01C16C4E] Thanks again Paul. Even being a DC native I was totally lost a few times. Those are the best kinds of rides. Thanks Rich '95 vfr From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 09:40:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADEerj26820 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from LakeSueE@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id 2.48.19ce219 (15708) for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from web51.aolmail.aol.com (web51.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.12]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID55-1113094042; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:40:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:40:42 EST From: LakeSueE@XXXXXX Subject: DC Ride To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <48.19ce219.29228aea@aol.com> I also had a great time and was impressed when we all met up again. I am in for the local Sunday rides. Sue Kaw Elim. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 10:28:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ddlexchange.ddlomni.com ([204.245.128.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADFSAj27661 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:28:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from jstrang ([204.245.128.170]) by ddlexchange.ddlomni.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:16:25 -0500 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Re: DC ride Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:26:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20011113140546.POUY4246.dcmail2b@[10.128.7.18]> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2001 15:16:25.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[2933EA60:01C16C56] Which one was that? I suppose it was one of the "in high school, that's where I _______". I remember a few of them she pointed out, but I don't remember "The Favorite". I was pretty impressed, though. But then, I have but one landmark from my unremarkable high school career in Small Town, AZ. Ahhhhh...the old windmill out by the sand wash. --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Patti Rodgers [mailto:lantech.cwd@XXXXXX] >... and thanks, Lisa, > for making me giggle (which I still am!) by pointing out your own > favorite local landmark!!! > > -patti From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 10:36:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADFaSj27807 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:36:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-113-225.s479.tnt8.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.113.225] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 163fbu-0000j7-00; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:36:27 -0500 Message-ID: <00f901c16c59$4e865480$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Richard Westbrook" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: DC Ride Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:38:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Maybe we can find a few more 95 VFRs to join us next time. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Westbrook" > Thanks again Paul. > > Even being a DC native I was totally lost a few times. Those are the best > kinds of rides. > > Thanks > Rich > '95 vfr From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 10:56:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADFuJj28083 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcmail2b.dc.gov ([10.128.7.15]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20011113155618.PPOS26296.dcmail0@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:56:18 -0500 Received: from [10.128.7.18] by dcmail2b.dc.gov with SMTP id <20011113155517.PSHU4246.dcmail2b@[10.128.7.18]> for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:55:17 -0500 From: Patti Rodgers Organization: Center for Workforce Development To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: DC ride Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:56:18 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20011113155517.PSHU4246.dcmail2b@[10.128.7.18]> I got to go by my old high school (now part of A.U.)... the nuns were too much. I think I had a flashback! But I discovered yesterday that not only the Catholic school girls got wasted at Fort Reno in the mid 1980's. -p > > From: "Jon Strang" > Date: 2001/11/13 Tue AM 10:26:31 EST > To: > Subject: RE: Re: DC ride > > Which one was that? I suppose it was one of the "in high school, that's > where I _______". > > I remember a few of them she pointed out, but I don't remember "The > Favorite". > > I was pretty impressed, though. But then, I have but one landmark from my > unremarkable high school career in Small Town, AZ. Ahhhhh...the old > windmill out by the sand wash. > > --jon > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Patti Rodgers [mailto:lantech.cwd@XXXXXX] > > >... and thanks, Lisa, > > for making me giggle (which I still am!) by pointing out your own > > favorite local landmark!!! > > > > -patti > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 11:40:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10902.mail.yahoo.com (web10902.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fADGeqj28830 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:40:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011113163412.16882.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.80.171.28] by web10902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:34:12 PST Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:34:12 -0800 (PST) From: John Germuga Subject: Fun at the MVA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii After a luckily fairly brief wait in the line at the MVA this morning, I was told "go get it inspected". Since that was all the wonderfully helpful person behind the counter would say to any question I asked, I assume he was referring to both my car and my bike. So being new to the area, I was wondering if anyone could suggest a reputable inspection station in the Bethesda area. Preferably, one that can inspect both bikes and cars (not sure if they can do both at any certified inspection station here) and will not find 10 things wrong with my vehicles in the hopes of securing some overpriced repair work, as was the standard practice in NY. If you know of any, please respond offline as I am in digest mode and would like to get an appointment set up today. PS - Paul, another thanks for hosting the Sunday ride. I got to see parts of the city I never would have thought to venture into. Making it a regular event and/or doing a scavenger hunt, as some suggested, is a great idea. If anyone wants to try and put one together, I'd be willing to help organize. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 12:36:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from FW2.dt.navy.mil (FW2.dt.navy.mil [192.5.27.136]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADHaXj29848 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by FW2.dt.navy.mil; id MAA29059; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(130.46.225.16) by FW2.dt.navy.mil via smap (V5.5) id xma028824; Tue, 13 Nov 01 12:39:40 -0500 Received: from navgate.dt.navy.mil (navgate.dt.navy.mil [130.46.225.15]) by smtprelay.dt.navy.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA00830 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:36:06 -0500 Received: (from silbergejw2k [130.46.162.39]) by navgate.dt.navy.mil (NAVGW 2.5.1.12) with SMTP id M2001111312360618196 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:36:06 -0500 Message-ID: <01cf01c16c6a$178bb6d0$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> Reply-To: "Eric Silberg" From: "Eric Silberg" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Arai question Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:39:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01CC_01C16C40.2EA05210" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CC_01C16C40.2EA05210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all - this is a question for people who have Arai lids, especially with the AdSis and newer shield mechanism. I just bought a Quantum/F and am having a little trouble with it, or = maybe I'm just not used to it (wore a Shoei before). When I put the shield up (most of the time) it locks in the up position, and I have to work it to = get it to come back down. It seems to get stuck on both sides, but more regularly on the left. Is this a "feature" that you get used to and = used to or is mine defective? Also, how do you take off the sideplates, I was thinking I'd just open it all up and see if there's a broken part or something out of place, but I didn't want to force anything... I didn't = get an instruction manual or anything with it and the website only shows how = to remove the shield. Thanks for any help. Eric ------=_NextPart_000_01CC_01C16C40.2EA05210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all - this is a question for people who have Arai lids,=20 especially
with the AdSis and newer shield mechanism.

I just = bought a=20 Quantum/F and am having a little trouble with it, or maybe
I'm just = not used=20 to it (wore a Shoei before).  When I put the shield up
(most of = the=20 time) it locks in the up position, and I have to work it to get
it to = come=20 back down.  It seems to get stuck on both sides, but = more
regularly on=20 the left.  Is this a "feature" that you get used to and used = to
or is=20 mine defective?  Also, how do you take off the sideplates, I=20 was
thinking I'd just open it all up and see if there's a broken part = or
something out of place, but I didn't want to force = anything...  I=20 didn't get
an instruction manual or anything with it and the website = only=20 shows how to
remove the shield.  Thanks for any help. =20 Eric
------=_NextPart_000_01CC_01C16C40.2EA05210-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 12:42:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14608.mail.yahoo.com (web14608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fADHgkj29965 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:42:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011113174245.58178.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:42:45 PST Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:42:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Fun at the MVA To: John Germuga , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20011113163412.16882.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii call rick hart at the potomac village amoco (301 299-8400) and please tell him that i sent you.... you will be happy with rick's work and he handles both cars and bikes.... --- John Germuga wrote: > After a luckily fairly brief wait in the line at the > MVA this morning, I was told "go get it inspected". > Since that was all the wonderfully helpful person > behind the counter would say to any question I asked, > I assume he was referring to both my car and my bike. > > So being new to the area, I was wondering if anyone > could suggest a reputable inspection station in the > Bethesda area. Preferably, one that can inspect both > bikes and cars (not sure if they can do both at any > certified inspection station here) and will not find > 10 things wrong with my vehicles in the hopes of > securing some overpriced repair work, as was the > standard practice in NY. > > If you know of any, please respond offline as I am in > digest mode and would like to get an appointment set > up today. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 13:45:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADIjij01189 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA29384 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:45:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.dominionsc.com (wafer.dominionsc.com [208.233.12.104]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11580 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:45:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Anyone have a Shock Spring tool? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: From: "Dave F. Diefenderfer" Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:45:42 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DSC_Notes_SMTP/DSC(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 11/13/2001 01:44:58 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I need to remove the chrome covers on my Progressive Suspension Shocks and need the spring compression tool. I could buy one, but only need it for a few minutes... can anyone help me out? I'll bring beer! Dave From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 13:56:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADIuej01288 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA29478 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA12022 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.163]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id NAA26959 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:56:38 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-ID: <025601c16c74$eceee590$0c07a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: Anyone have a Shock Spring tool? Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:56:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 How bad do you want to do this? If you take the shocks off, and they have preload adjustment, you can back out the preload as far as possible and usually get the spring off without the tool. Danny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave F. Diefenderfer" To: <> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: Anyone have a Shock Spring tool? > I need to remove the chrome covers on my Progressive Suspension Shocks and > need the spring compression tool. I could buy one, but only need it for a > few minutes... can anyone help me out? I'll bring beer! > > Dave > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 14:32:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADJWLj01944 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:32:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA29688 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:32:20 -0500 (EST) From: RichH@XXXXXX Received: from server1.mckissack.com (mail.mckissackdc.com [209.8.13.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13658 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:31:17 -0500 Message-ID: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wrench Sessions? Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:31:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Would anyone be interested in weekend wrench sessions? Some of the people with more experience could show others how to change parts, lube things, make adjustments. I'd like to learn how to do more for myself. In the spring I could offer my bike to show how to replace a front tire. I'd also like to put on a honker. I'm sure others have things they need to do or want to do. Living in a townhouse I might not have the best location to host such an event though. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 14:35:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADJZwj02041 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA29715 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from web10505.mail.yahoo.com (web10505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA13815 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:35:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011113193551.37614.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.244.214.30] by web10505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:35:51 PST Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:35:51 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Canterbury Subject: Re: Wrench Sessions? To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes, yes, yes!!! I want to learn how to perform basic maintenance -- change oil, lube chain, etc. When and where??? --- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > Would anyone be interested in weekend wrench > sessions? > Some of the people with more experience could show > others how to change > parts, lube things, make adjustments. > I'd like to learn how to do more for myself. > In the spring I could offer my bike to show how to > replace a front tire. > I'd also like to put on a honker. > I'm sure others have things they need to do or want > to do. > Living in a townhouse I might not have the best > location to host such an > event though. ===== -->m. '00 EX500 ----------------------------------------------- "It was too much tequila, or not quite enough." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 14:42:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web20101.mail.yahoo.com (web20101.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fADJgMj02154 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:42:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011113194221.37688.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.70.107.68] by web20101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:42:21 PST Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:42:21 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Wrench Sessions? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm ripping out a motor tonight and moving it to another frame. I have most every tool (except specialty for each marquee) needed for work that doesn't include machining or other precision metal work. Hmm, I don't rebuild shocks, but I do wheel bearing removal/install greasing front-end replacement fork disassembly and install of GV emulators changing tires valve adjustements (not ducati) and the like. Just bring a jacket because my garage is cold. and at the moment rather cramped. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 14:45:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f133.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.133]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADJjjj02246 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:45:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:33:43 -0800 Received: from 63.75.33.2 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:33:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.75.33.2] From: "Pejman Taei" To: LakeSueE@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Ride Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:33:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2001 19:33:43.0981 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B1D75D0:01C16C7A] I did not get a chance to join everyone on the ride this past Sunday, but I think it is a great idea to have a local sunday ride a couple times a month or so. >From: LakeSueE@XXXXXX >To: >Subject: DC Ride >Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:40:42 EST > >I also had a great time and was impressed when we all met up again. I am >in for the local Sunday rides. > >Sue >Kaw Elim. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 14:47:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADJlAj02259 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:47:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA29806 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA14215 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:47:09 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E222@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: Cedric Bernescut To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wrench Sessions? Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:47:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'd be willing to show up and work on my bike as well. Indoors would be fantastic. I am generally a threat with hand tools but I have performed basic maintenance on my CBR with Brian Roach's generous help (Thanks Brian!) I'm looking to go to the next step and change brake pads, flush cooling system, brake lines, etc. My condo association views these tasks as akin to arson or vandalism, so I've deferred this stuff too long rather than go to the dealer. I can bring suitable beverages in exchange for assistance. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 Annandale, VA > Homer Simpson's the 3 sentences that will get you through life. Number one,'cover for me.' Number two, 'oh, good idea, boss.' Number three, 'it was like that when I got here.'" " Would anyone be interested in weekend wrench sessions? Some of the people with more experience could show others how to change parts, lube things, make adjustments. I'd like to learn how to do more for myself. In the spring I could offer my bike to show how to replace a front tire. I'd also like to put on a honker. I'm sure others have things they need to do or want to do. Living in a townhouse I might not have the best location to host such an event though. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 14:50:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADJoIj02354 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:50:09 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E223@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: Cedric Bernescut To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Arai question Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:50:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C16C7C.61EB7550" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16C7C.61EB7550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't have any experience with the Arai but was contemplating switching from the RF series to either the Arai Quantum or Signet. I'm curious as to any opinions from those who've tried both. I'd like to know especially about interior noise levels, quality, etc. Thanks, Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 Annandale, VA Hello all - this is a question for people who have Arai lids, especially with the AdSis and newer shield mechanism. I just bought a Quantum/F and am having a little trouble with it, or maybe I'm just not used to it (wore a Shoei before). When I put the shield up (most of the time) it locks in the up position, and I have to work it to get it to come back down. It seems to get stuck on both sides, but more regularly on the left. Is this a "feature" that you get used to and used to or is mine defective? Also, how do you take off the sideplates, I was thinking I'd just open it all up and see if there's a broken part or something out of place, but I didn't want to force anything... I didn't get an instruction manual or anything with it and the website only shows how to remove the shield. Thanks for any help. Eric ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16C7C.61EB7550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I don't have any experience with the Arai but was contemplating switching from the RF series to either the Arai Quantum or Signet.  I'm curious as to any opinions from those who've tried both.  I'd like to know especially about interior noise levels, quality, etc. 
Thanks,

Cedric
1996 CBR600F3
Annandale, VA


Hello all - this is a question for people who have Arai lids, especially
with the AdSis and newer shield mechanism.

I just bought a Quantum/F and am having a little trouble with it, or maybe
I'm just not used to it (wore a Shoei before).  When I put the shield up
(most of the time) it locks in the up position, and I have to work it to get
it to come back down.  It seems to get stuck on both sides, but more
regularly on the left.  Is this a "feature" that you get used to and used to
or is mine defective?  Also, how do you take off the sideplates, I was
thinking I'd just open it all up and see if there's a broken part or
something out of place, but I didn't want to force anything...  I didn't get
an instruction manual or anything with it and the website only shows how to
remove the shield.  Thanks for any help.  Eric
------_=_NextPart_001_01C16C7C.61EB7550-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 15:46:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADKk9j03233 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:46:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-104-133.s133.tnt12.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.104.133] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 163kRb-00042I-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:46:08 -0500 Message-ID: <00c901c16c84$3654e220$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20011113193551.37614.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Wrench Sessions? Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:45:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I'd be glad to help out but I too am garageless at the moment. All work either gets done curbside or in the paved area in front of my house. No uptight HOA to deal with, just cold temps, short days and the occasional "sidewalk superintendent." :) Right now I'm trying to finagle a garage spot nearby for a contemplated project bike so I'd be happy to host a "wrench day" for a handful of people when I get everything set up, provided the space is adequate. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Canterbury" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: Re: Wrench Sessions? > Yes, yes, yes!!! I want to learn how to perform basic > maintenance -- change oil, lube chain, etc. > > When and where??? > > > > --- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > > Would anyone be interested in weekend wrench > > sessions? > > Some of the people with more experience could show > > others how to change > > parts, lube things, make adjustments. > > I'd like to learn how to do more for myself. > > In the spring I could offer my bike to show how to > > replace a front tire. > > I'd also like to put on a honker. > > I'm sure others have things they need to do or want > > to do. > > Living in a townhouse I might not have the best > > location to host such an > > event though. > > > ===== > -->m. > '00 EX500 > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > "It was too much tequila, or not quite enough." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 15:54:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADKsKj03331 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce (user167.anent.com [208.195.115.167]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA00850; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:46:26 -0500 Message-ID: <016d01c16c85$867d66e0$a773c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Eric Silberg" , "DC-Cycles" References: <01cf01c16c6a$178bb6d0$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> Subject: Re: Arai question Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:55:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 I've had both a Quantum /e and a Quantum /f and I've never had this problem. Maybe it just needs to break in a little bit. Work it up and down a few times and see if it loosens up. To get the side pods off, look in the slot where the shield closes See the red thingy? Push it in (towards the rear of the helmet) and the side pod will pop off. To put it back on, hook the little tab at the top of the side pod to the notch in the shield holder and then press in on the lower part of the side pod. The red latch thingy will SNAP into place. Hope this helps! Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Silberg" Hello all - this is a question for people who have Arai lids, especially with the AdSis and newer shield mechanism. I just bought a Quantum/F and am having a little trouble with it, or maybe I'm just not used to it (wore a Shoei before). When I put the shield up (most of the time) it locks in the up position, and I have to work it to get it to come back down. It seems to get stuck on both sides, but more regularly on the left. Is this a "feature" that you get used to and used to or is mine defective? Also, how do you take off the sideplates, I was thinking I'd just open it all up and see if there's a broken part or something out of place, but I didn't want to force anything... I didn't get an instruction manual or anything with it and the website only shows how to remove the shield. Thanks for any help. Eric From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 16:25:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe27.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.247]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADLPmj03773 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:13:50 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [209.101.141.139] From: "Greg Thompson" To: "Eric Silberg" , "DC-Cycles" References: <01cf01c16c6a$178bb6d0$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> Subject: Re: Arai question Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:13:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2001 21:13:50.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[1712BAA0:01C16C88] eric, i had the same problem with my rx7-rr4. after taking off the side panels and srutinizing the mechanism, i decided that some tabs on the sheild itself were just barely malformed or something. they were letting the levers interfere with the shield going back down. i found that if i lifted the shield all the way up (so both levers popped out), it would slide back down without a problem. i've since swapped shields with my old quantum/e (didn't want the extra noise from the tear-off posts) and no longer have the problem. -- -greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Silberg" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: Arai question Hello all - this is a question for people who have Arai lids, especially with the AdSis and newer shield mechanism. I just bought a Quantum/F and am having a little trouble with it, or maybe I'm just not used to it (wore a Shoei before). When I put the shield up (most of the time) it locks in the up position, and I have to work it to get it to come back down. It seems to get stuck on both sides, but more regularly on the left. Is this a "feature" that you get used to and used to or is mine defective? Also, how do you take off the sideplates, I was thinking I'd just open it all up and see if there's a broken part or something out of place, but I didn't want to force anything... I didn't get an instruction manual or anything with it and the website only shows how to remove the shield. Thanks for any help. Eric From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 17:03:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADM3Ij04388 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:03:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA00850 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:03:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from web10503.mail.yahoo.com (web10503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA18902 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:03:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011113220313.92913.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.116.164] by web10503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:03:12 PST Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:03:12 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Wrench Sessions? To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well in Dec. I am moving into a house with an oversized 2 car garage. I already bought a nice compressor to run my air tools. It is out a ways though, in Catlett Va. You are welcome to use the space, but I can't provide anything more than basic knowledge. Todd W. --- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > Would anyone be interested in weekend wrench > sessions? > Some of the people with more experience could show > others how to change > parts, lube things, make adjustments. > I'd like to learn how to do more for myself. > In the spring I could offer my bike to show how to > replace a front tire. > I'd also like to put on a honker. > I'm sure others have things they need to do or want > to do. > Living in a townhouse I might not have the best > location to host such an > event though. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 17:13:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADMDdj04555 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:13:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA00928 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA19268 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-32.patriot.net [209.249.181.32]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fADMDVJ00448; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:13:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3BF1998A.BAE5294A@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:07:06 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cedric Bernescut CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wrench Sessions? References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E222@NCEAEXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Garage in Annandale area... and carport, semi-enclosed. No heat at the moment, plenty of lights and tools out the whazzoo. Problem is finding tools in the clutter >8-O Bill Cedric Bernescut wrote: > I'd be willing to show up and work on my bike as well. Indoors would be > fantastic. I am generally a threat with hand tools but I have performed > basic maintenance on my CBR with Brian Roach's generous help (Thanks Brian!) > I'm looking to go to the next step and change brake pads, flush cooling > system, brake lines, etc. My condo association views these tasks as akin to > arson or vandalism, so I've deferred this stuff too long rather than go to > the dealer. I can bring suitable beverages in exchange for assistance. > Cedric > 1996 CBR600F3 > Annandale, VA > > > Homer Simpson's the 3 sentences that will get you through life. > Number one,'cover for me.' > Number two, 'oh, good idea, boss.' > Number three, 'it was like that when I got here.'" > " > > Would anyone be interested in weekend wrench sessions? > Some of the people with more experience could show others how to change > parts, lube things, make adjustments. > I'd like to learn how to do more for myself. > In the spring I could offer my bike to show how to replace a front tire. > I'd also like to put on a honker. > I'm sure others have things they need to do or want to do. > Living in a townhouse I might not have the best location to host such an > event though. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 17:28:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from FW2.dt.navy.mil (FW2.dt.navy.mil [192.5.27.136]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADMSIj04800 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by FW2.dt.navy.mil; id RAA02384; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:31:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(130.46.225.16) by FW2.dt.navy.mil via smap (V5.5) id xma002087; Tue, 13 Nov 01 17:30:48 -0500 Received: from navgate.dt.navy.mil (navgate.dt.navy.mil [130.46.225.15]) by smtprelay.dt.navy.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA14173 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:27:14 -0500 Received: (from silbergejw2k [130.46.162.39]) by navgate.dt.navy.mil (NAVGW 2.5.1.12) with SMTP id M2001111317271317823 ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:27:13 -0500 Message-ID: <026d01c16c92$c3441ad0$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> Reply-To: "Eric Silberg" From: "Eric Silberg" To: "VFR" , "DC-Cycles" References: <01cf01c16c6a$178bb6d0$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> Subject: Re: Arai question (NVFRC) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:30:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Thanks everyone for your help. I figure out what was wrong, and thought other Arai owners might be curious... The stop tabs on the shield itself were malformed (rounded out) so the shield would rotate too far, and pop out of the track. (one of you was right on the money) Replacing the shield with a different one seems to have solved the problem. The shop was nice enough to swap it for me, no problem. Comparing the Quantum/f to my Shoei RF800, the Shoei is actually quieter, though for any distance I wear ear plugs anyway so it's not an issue. For my head, the Arai fits me better - it doesn't move around nearly as much. I also seems to be superior aerodynamically, there isn't nearly as much buffeting, it's much more stable, and doesn't produce nearly as much lift, drag, or moment when you turn your head. The pull down chin spoiler is nice, though doesn't do a whole lot. One downside is that my range of motion is more limited wearing the Arai, and the field of view seems somewhat more restricted, though it's still very good. The Arai's venting seems to work a lot better, there is more adjustment, and it's easier to use. Sunglasses fit under the Arai better than the Shoei. It also looks a lot better, IMHO. The removeable liner will be nice too. All in all, they are both good helmets, the Arai's got more features, and is somewhat better quality (except when it comes to shields...the Shoei's got it beat hands down on that one). Then again, it also costs nearly twice as much, you get what you pay for... Thanks everyone who gave me advice. Eric From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 18:39:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADNdkj05915 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-182.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.182] helo=pltrgyst.xhost.org) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 163n9Q-00023F-00; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:39:32 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011113183802.00aa4700@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:39:19 -0500 To: "Eric Silberg" , "VFR" , "DC-Cycles" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Arai question (NVFRC) In-Reply-To: <026d01c16c92$c3441ad0$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> References: <01cf01c16c6a$178bb6d0$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:30 PM 11/13/01, Eric Silberg wrote: >..... One downside is that my range of >motion is more limited wearing the Arai, .... What do you mean by that, Eric? How does the helmet limit your range of motion? Tnx -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 18:46:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from FW1.dt.navy.mil (FW1.dt.navy.mil [192.5.27.135]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fADNk5j06055 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by FW1.dt.navy.mil; id SAA17276; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(130.46.225.16) by FW1.dt.navy.mil via smap (V5.5) id xma017214; Tue, 13 Nov 01 18:46:41 -0500 Received: from navgate.dt.navy.mil (navgate.dt.navy.mil [130.46.225.15]) by smtprelay.dt.navy.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA15347 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:45:48 -0500 Received: (from silbergejw2k [130.46.162.39]) by navgate.dt.navy.mil (NAVGW 2.5.1.12) with SMTP id M2001111318454810009 ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:45:48 -0500 Message-ID: <028b01c16c9d$bd676620$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> Reply-To: "Eric Silberg" From: "Eric Silberg" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Larry Larson" References: <01cf01c16c6a$178bb6d0$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> <4.3.2.7.2.20011113183802.00aa4700@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: Arai question (NVFRC) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:48:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 The back comes down lower so I can't tilt my head up quite as high. This isn't really noticeable unless I am tucking in under the windscreen. Even then, it's not much of an issue for me, but it may be for any of you beefcakes out there with no neck :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Larson" To: "Eric Silberg" ; "VFR" ; "DC-Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 6:39 PM Subject: Re: Arai question (NVFRC) > At 05:30 PM 11/13/01, Eric Silberg wrote: > >..... One downside is that my range of > >motion is more limited wearing the Arai, .... > > What do you mean by that, Eric? 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ----VECTAFCLIV-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 20:53:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAE1rcj07998 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:53:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO (1Cust103.tnt39.tco2.da.uu.net [63.48.140.103]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAE1r3D10822 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:53:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000d01c16caf$4459d8a0$678c303f@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Racing kinda questions... Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:54:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, OK. I'm here watching old tapes of racing, and I found something to wonder about. This is a Laguna Superbike race from Fox Sports, I don't know what year, but Chandler is #1, Mladin is #66, and Ben Bostrom is on a Honda, #11. Hacking was a rookie. Is this ringing a bell, anyone? Maybe 1997? Musta' been whilst I was in college, I don't have Fox here at home. I dunno. Anyway, my question: Gridded on the outside of row 5, in the #20 slot, is the # 65 Harley-Davidson of Christopher Rankin. Is this the same guy who's so wicked fast on that (I think yellow/blue) TL-R? Just curious. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 13 23:15:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.89]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAE4FFj10026 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:15:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id fAE40WsD018425 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GMRVTD00.V9T for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:15:13 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GMRVTC00.21A for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:15:12 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:15:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Racing kinda questions... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000d01c16caf$4459d8a0$678c303f@apnHOFOJOKO> Message-Id: <2CB08661-D8B6-11D5-B5C0-003065B452D2@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fAE4G7j10027 > Anyway, my question: Gridded on the outside of row 5, in the #20 slot, > is the # 65 Harley-Davidson of Christopher Rankin. Is this the same guy > who's so wicked fast on that (I think yellow/blue) TL-R? Just curious. This is not the same Chris Rankin that races at Summit on the GSXR-750. Different guys, both fast as hell. "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." M-^WErnest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 07:56:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAECuDj17688 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:56:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id 2.b6.1a5de41 (30952) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:56:09 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:56:08 EST Subject: Re: Wrench Sessions? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 11/13/2001 2:37:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > In the spring I could offer my bike to show how to replace a front tire. I have a tire sitting on my living room floor right now, no waiting! I would be happy to watch someone (anyone) else put it on for me. (Kidding, I cannot stand to watch anyone else work on my bike. {and I hate to do it myself. Life is a bitch.}) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 12:18:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAEHIej22002 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:18:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011114171839.34412.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:18:39 PST Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:18:39 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: OT - engagement rings?? To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, the time has come to take the next step. My girlfriend has gone from being a wonderful girlfriend to being such an integral part of my life that I can't live without her. With that bit of mushy crap said, where is a guy to go in the DC area to buy a diamond ring? Sorry for the non-motorcycle post, but when you are spending this much money it sure as hell helps to ask around!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 13:30:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hosting-network.com (NODE1.HOSTING-NETWORK.COM [64.38.127.1] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAEIUqj23278 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14290 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 18:31:00 -0000 Received: from 17025232.accenture.com (HELO truck.lemrow.com) (170.252.3.2) by node-66.hosting-network.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 18:31:00 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114131854.02068920@mail.lemrow.com> X-Sender: firblt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:19:30 -0500 To: "Paul Wilson" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Justin Lemrow Subject: Re: DC Ride In-Reply-To: <00f901c16c59$4e865480$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed ok ok ok, i'lll try and make the next one... albeit i'll be on a 99 ;) Justin At 10:38 AM 11/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Maybe we can find a few more 95 VFRs to join us next time. :) > >Paul in DC >95 VFR750F > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Westbrook" > > > Thanks again Paul. > > > > Even being a DC native I was totally lost a few times. Those are the best > > kinds of rides. > > > > Thanks > > Rich > > '95 vfr 1999 VFR 800 Northern VA/Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 13:58:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.fcgnetworks.net (mail2.fcgnetworks.net [208.210.86.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAEIwKj23708 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.fcgnetworks.net (root@XXXXXX [192.168.40.6]) by mail2.fcgnetworks.net (8.9.2/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA62847; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:58:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from 505 (508.mancust.fcgnetworks.net [204.97.238.35] (may be forged)) by mail1.fcgnetworks.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA18812; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:00:09 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "gsbh" To: "'Eric Silberg'" , "'VFR'" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Arai question (NVFRC) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:59:22 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c16d3e$7925b9c0$23ee61cc@fcgnetworks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <026d01c16c92$c3441ad0$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> Importance: Normal One downside is that my range of motion is more limited wearing the Arai, and the field of view seems somewhat more restricted, though it's still very good. ------------ FWIW I too experienced a diminished range of motion with the Arai. This is what I determined for *my* problem. The Arai Qauntum/f has a soft vinyl-like material surrounding the lower perimeter of the helmet. My problem was when this "soft" material met with my leather collar on my riding jacket, the friction was sufficient to "reduce the range of motion" especially when I turn my head to see what's next to, or behind me when I change lanes. (Mirrors are good but I only trust my eyes) My solution was to get a thin felt pad from of all places an archery shop. The intended use if this felt pad is to stick one side of it to a bow and it is supposed to prevent an arrow from making a clinking noise if the person is hunting. Guess it keeps thing quieter. For my problem, I took this 3" x 14" piece of thin black felt (self stick on one side), cut and formed it to the bottom parameter of the helmet. Guess what? Smooth sliding between the helmet bottom and the leather collar. Easier to "turn my head to see what's around." Ron - RC46 2001 VFR800Fi Heli Bars PathBlazer Leo Vinci Hi-Mount Titanium LP Tank Bra Michelin Pilots Garmin GPS V Corbin Saddle Remember! "Keep the rubber side down, and the shiny side up." From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 14:47:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9604.mail.yahoo.com (web9604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAEJlPj24524 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:47:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011114194723.78546.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:47:23 PST Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:47:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? To: stephen cutchins , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20011114171839.34412.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow! How awesome! Will this be a surprise? Christmas/holiday engagement? Our jeweler is in Chantilly - Eternity Jewelers. My brother-in-law is an insane researcher and researched rings, prices, etc. FOREVER before settling on this store. So I'd say it's highly recommended. :-) We do all our jewelry shopping there. Let me know if you're interested & I'll find his address & phone number... - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- stephen cutchins wrote: > Well, the time has come to take the next step. My > girlfriend has gone from being a wonderful > girlfriend > to being such an integral part of my life that I > can't > live without her. With that bit of mushy crap said, > where is a guy to go in the DC area to buy a diamond > ring? > > Sorry for the non-motorcycle post, but when you are > spending this much money it sure as hell helps to > ask around!! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 15:08:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ddlexchange.ddlomni.com ([204.245.128.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAEK8Xj24895 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from jstrang ([204.245.128.170]) by ddlexchange.ddlomni.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:56:45 -0500 From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: OT - engagement rings?? Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:06:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20011114171839.34412.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2001 19:56:45.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D194170:01C16D46] Stop asking such hard questions. Ask better ones that can be answered like: "Romney has some good deals on some sportbikes." You'll spend the same amount of money and.... Why *are* motorcycles better than a spouse/significant other? -They only whine when something is really wrong. -They don't get upset when you read motorcycle magazines or ride other motorcycles. -They never complain if you're a bad rider, or the ride is too short/too long/etc. -Motorcycles don`t have parents. -Your motorcycle won`t judge your friends. -If your motorcycle is noisy, you can buy a muffler. -Motorcycles don`t care about how many other motorcycles you have ridden. -Your motorcycle won`t care if you have a poster of your fantasy Motorcycle. -Your parents won`t keep in touch with your old motorcycle after you dump it. -Your motorcycle don't complain whenyou want a night out alone with other motorcycles. -If your motorcycle doesn`t look good, you can paint it or get better parts. -Your motorcycle doesn`t care how heavy you are. -If your motorcycle is cold you can choke it. -You can keep photos of your old motorcycles. -A motorcycle can go for more than one ride in an hour. -Motorcycles never develop spare tires. -Motorcycles last longer. -You don`t have to kick your motorcycle to get it going. -If your motorcycle smokes you can do something about it. -When riding, you and your motorcycle both arrive at the same time. -Your motorcycle won`t ogle other motorcycles. -Motorcycles don`t care about breast size/penis size. -If your motorcycle is too soft or loose you can get new shocks. -You don`t have to drink beer before your motorcycle looks appealing. -Your motorcycle won`t beat you or try to make you feel inferior. -You can ride a motorcycle as long as you want and it won`t get limp. -Motorcycles always feel like going for a ride when you do. -Your motorcycle won`t complain when you use protection. -Your motorcycle won`t lie to you. -In the morning, your motorcycle won`t poke you in the back when it wants to go for a ride. -Your motorcycle won`t shrink when it`s cold. -If your motorcycle can`t fire up, you can just replace the battery. -You don`t have to cook for your motorcycle. -Your motorcycle can`t ride around behind your back. -Your motorcycle would rather go for a ride than watch sports. -Your motorcycle won't mind going for another ride. -You only have to ride your motorcycle when you want to. -Your motorcycle won`t go for rides by itself. -If baldness occurs, you can replace the tires. -Motorcycles don`t snore. --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen cutchins [mailto:stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX] > > where is a guy to go in the DC area to buy a diamond > ring? From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 15:10:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cwd.dcgov.org (msexchange.dcgov.org [151.200.101.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAEKA4j24928 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CWDEXCH0 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:05:24 -0500 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B7950090276269862CF5ED@CWDEXCH0> From: lantech To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: OT--- DC Cycles Night Out Idea Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:05:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Everybody--- Sorry about the off-topic post but it seems like a good idea! To make a long story short, Jon Strang and I were having an off-list discussion about fun bands and fun places to see them, and he thought that it would not be a bad idea to try and get an unofficial DC Cycles night out together. I agreed! And we came up with the following idea: Friday, Dec. 14: The Reverend Horton Heat is playing the 9:30 Club, which is at 815 V Street NW. For those of you who have never seen/heard of the Rev, I have to say it's one of the better live shows and fun crowds to be around. Think 1950's-Elvis on steroids with a really bad attitude and a nasty vocabulary. Anyway, tickets are $15 and it's usually a sell-out so if you might be interested, head on over to the Ticketmaster site and get them there. Or go to the 9:30 box office and save on all the Ticketbastard surcharges. I don't have any 9:30 Club free-ticket-magic any more, but I still get treated really well by the bartenders. Depending on the size of the group, we can meet up at my house before the show and cab down to the Club; my experience with the Reverend Horton Heat is that it's really better to avoid anything with wheels after the show! Any takers? -patti From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 15:43:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14608.mail.yahoo.com (web14608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAEKh4j25521 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:43:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011114204302.66179.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:43:02 PST Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:43:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? To: stephen cutchins , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20011114171839.34412.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii boone and sons, tysons ii --- stephen cutchins wrote: > Well, the time has come to take the next step. My > girlfriend has gone from being a wonderful girlfriend > to being such an integral part of my life that I can't > live without her. With that bit of mushy crap said, > where is a guy to go in the DC area to buy a diamond > ring? > > Sorry for the non-motorcycle post, but when you are > spending this much money it sure as hell helps to ask > around!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 15:52:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13005.mail.yahoo.com (web13005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAEKq0j25711 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:52:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011114205159.11919.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.168.171.160] by web13005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:51:59 PST Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:51:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? To: stephen cutchins , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20011114171839.34412.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I got the engagement ring for my fiancee (only 2.5 weeks left to call her that) at Washington Diamonds http://www.washingtondiamond.com/ in Falls Church, VA, on Rt. 7. My buddy got his engagement ring there and recommended it to me. No pressures, the gave me all the time and information I needed to make a decision, and were very helpful all along the way. I worked with Walter Via, although they all seem to be helpful people. Yeah, diamonds probably are cheaper on line, but the one on one service made me all the more comfortable about it when the time came to say "That one." For some very good tips, I used and recommend http://www.bridaltips.com/diamond.htm OB-Moto - My bride to be likes going on the motorcycle, but for short rides, no 1,000 miles days for her. I'll take what I can get! Good luck!! Louis Caplan --- stephen cutchins wrote: > Well, the time has come to take the next step. My > girlfriend has gone from being a wonderful girlfriend > to being such an integral part of my life that I can't > live without her. With that bit of mushy crap said, > where is a guy to go in the DC area to buy a diamond > ring? > > Sorry for the non-motorcycle post, but when you are > spending this much money it sure as hell helps to ask around!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 16:14:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAELEHj26111 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:14:18 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E231@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: Cedric Bernescut To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: OT - engagement rings?? Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:14:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ditto for me. Tom Daube was great. Cedric I got the engagement ring for my fiancee (only 2.5 weeks left to call her that) at Washington Diamonds http://www.washingtondiamond.com/ in Falls Church, VA, on Rt. 7. My buddy got his engagement ring there and recommended it to me. No pressures, the gave me all the time and information I needed to make a decision, and were very helpful all along the way. I worked with Walter Via, although they all seem to be helpful people. snip Louis Caplan From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 16:45:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAELjVj26633 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id fAELjTs27106 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:45:29 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: From the "Why didn't *I* think of that" Dept... Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:43:26 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01111416432602.22224@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.greenlighttrigger.com/index.html Pretty nifty idea, especially in DC/VA/MD where you often get stuck at lights with triggers at night. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 17:07:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAEM7rj26995 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:07:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA16967 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:01:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:01:38 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: From the "Why didn't *I* think of that" Dept... In-Reply-To: <01111416432602.22224@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII According to MCN these things don't work. It's just a magnet anyways so I don't see any point in buying one made special for motorcycles. Hugh On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Brian Roach wrote: > > http://www.greenlighttrigger.com/index.html > > Pretty nifty idea, especially in DC/VA/MD where you often get stuck at lights > with triggers at night. > > - Roach > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 17:11:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web20107.mail.yahoo.com (web20107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.44]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAEMBOj27018 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:11:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011114221123.31454.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.70.107.68] by web20107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:11:23 PST Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:11:23 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: moto fiche To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I know I've referred to Partsfish and other resources before but by accident I found this one. and it's worlds better. Model selection isn't all that wide (Honda/Yam) but it's the closest thing I've ever seen to the real deal. http://www.ronnies.com/micro.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 17:11:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAEMBjj27028 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:11:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-007.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.7] helo=pltrgyst.xhost.org) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1648Fc-0007An-00; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:11:21 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011114170914.00aa8b60@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:11:17 -0500 To: stephen cutchins , DC Cycles From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? In-Reply-To: <20011114171839.34412.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:18 PM 11/14/01, stephen cutchins wrote: >Sorry for the non-motorcycle post, but when you are >spending this much money it sure as hell helps to ask around!! A *really* worthwhile woman would want a cubic zirconium ring, and put the money saved into a new machine. Has anyone ever met one of these? -- Larry (Duck? Vy a duck?) From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 17:18:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ddlexchange.ddlomni.com ([204.245.128.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAEMIJj27187 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:18:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from jstrang ([204.245.128.170]) by ddlexchange.ddlomni.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:06:31 -0500 From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: OT - engagement rings?? Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:16:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011114170914.00aa8b60@mail.9netave.com> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2001 22:06:31.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DCDE2B0:01C16D58] I think that there are some female listers that would say "F--- the fancy rings, let's get plain bands and new bikes/bike parts." ....but I could be mistaken. --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Larson [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 5:11 PM > To: stephen cutchins; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? > > > At 12:18 PM 11/14/01, stephen cutchins wrote: > >Sorry for the non-motorcycle post, but when you are > >spending this much money it sure as hell helps to ask around!! > > A *really* worthwhile woman would want a cubic zirconium ring, > and put the money saved into a new machine. Has anyone ever > met one of these? > > -- Larry > > (Duck? Vy a duck?) > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 17:37:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAEMbZj27547 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-41-10.s264.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.10] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 1648ez-0004F8-00; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:37:34 -0500 Message-ID: <00d001c16d5d$35a0c7c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "matthew patton" , References: <20011114221123.31454.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: moto fiche Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:39:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Thanks for the link. Looks like the ticket since those appear to be "real" OEM part numbers. Maybe he's working alphabetically and he'll get to the VFRs eventually. Partsfiche, Bike Bandit, etc. use in house numbers so you can't go to www.servicehonda.com and use their on-line quote service to get the parts cheaper. Of course I could just buy a part diagram fiche off eBay. You can use www.motofiches.com (very clear diagrams but no part numbers) find out you need a #6 on diagram such and such and then call around. You can also try this site. It's a bit of a kludge to use and has atrocious English translations. http://www.mc99.co.jp/english/ It has parts numbers too, but it only works for bikes sold in Japan and apparently the 94-97 iteration of the VFR was never sold on the home shores. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "matthew patton" > I know I've referred to Partsfish and other resources > before but by accident I found this one. and it's > worlds better. Model selection isn't all that wide > (Honda/Yam) but it's the closest thing I've ever seen > to the real deal. > > http://www.ronnies.com/micro.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 18:10:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAENAGj28098 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kirk@localhost) by beta.nova.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fAENAEb01458 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:10:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kirk@XXXXXX) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:10:13 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: moto fiche In-Reply-To: <00d001c16d5d$35a0c7c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Paul Wilson wrote: > Thanks for the link. Looks like the ticket since those appear to be > "real" OEM part numbers. Maybe he's working alphabetically and he'll > get to the VFRs eventually. Partsfiche, Bike Bandit, etc. use in > house numbers so you can't go to www.servicehonda.com and use their > on-line quote service to get the parts cheaper. Huh? That's exactly what I did with the Partsfiche info. I plugged it into both ronayersmotorsports.com and servicehonda.com to get better pricing (ron ayers won that test). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 18:38:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAENcSj28575 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-67.patriot.net [209.249.180.67]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fAENcP111561; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:38:26 -0500 Message-ID: <3BF2FEF3.738161F0@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:32:03 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stephen cutchins CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? References: <20011114171839.34412.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations, I think :-) I'd pick a local established jewelry store that can resize the ring on premises, just in case you guess the size wrong. That's what I did. Spending money? Hmmm, back in the good ol' days, shortly after the invention of the wheel, I think I paid $189 for an engagement ring. That was about every dollar I made working at pool company over spring break. And it was a big gamble, I'd only been dating the girl a few months and she wasn't expecting a ring. Bill stephen cutchins wrote: > Well, the time has come to take the next step. My > girlfriend has gone from being a wonderful girlfriend > to being such an integral part of my life that I can't > live without her. With that bit of mushy crap said, > where is a guy to go in the DC area to buy a diamond > ring? > > Sorry for the non-motorcycle post, but when you are > spending this much money it sure as hell helps to ask around!! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 21:06:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAF267j01004 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:06:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar6-4-63-009-023.vz.dsl.gtei.net (HELO ltanner) (4.63.9.23) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 02:06:02 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: From the "Why didn't *I* think of that" Dept... Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:05:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <01111416432602.22224@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I've heard this discussed on other lists. The consensus was that it was a big magnet and that any large magnet would do as well. YMMV LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner Brian Roach said: http://www.greenlighttrigger.com/index.html Pretty nifty idea, especially in DC/VA/MD where you often get stuck at lights with triggers at night. - Roach _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 21:25:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14609.mail.yahoo.com (web14609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAF2PRj01260 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:25:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011115022526.59947.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.42.33] by web14609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:25:26 PST Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:25:26 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? To: stephen cutchins , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20011114204302.66179.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii follow-up: i probably didn't pay the lowest price from boone & sons, but i put together a nice stone with a beautiful setting, received plenty of guidance and help (from the owner, french boone), and continue to get great service (went back for the wedding bands). this likely won't be the only piece of nice jewelry you'll be buying your wife-to-be.... --- Tom Gimer wrote: > boone and sons, tysons ii > > > --- stephen cutchins wrote: > > Well, the time has come to take the next step. My > > girlfriend has gone from being a wonderful girlfriend > > to being such an integral part of my life that I can't > > live without her. With that bit of mushy crap said, > > where is a guy to go in the DC area to buy a diamond > > ring? > > > > Sorry for the non-motorcycle post, but when you are > > spending this much money it sure as hell helps to ask > > around!! ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 4905 Del Ray Ave., Ste 504 Bethesda, MD 20814 (301)913-0060 (301)913-5415 (fax) tgimer@XXXXXX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 21:38:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAF2cIj01460 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO (1Cust126.tnt10.tco2.da.uu.net [65.230.243.126]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAF2c5D78205 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:38:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001701c16d7e$bcfba5c0$7ef3e641@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Cool Foe-Toes Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:38:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Enjoy. http://www.pbase.com/ochretie/mondial_du_2_roues Be sure to check out all 10 pages. The index is hard to see, it's a dark screen with dark colored numbers. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 21:54:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f156.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.241.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAF2srj01682 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:42:53 -0800 Received: from 138.88.80.204 by lw6fd.law6.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 02:42:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.88.80.204] From: "John Kozyn" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: moto fiche Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:42:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2001 02:42:53.0496 (UTC) FILETIME=[396F6380:01C16D7F] From: matthew patton I know I've referred to Partsfish and other resources before but by accident I found this one. and it's worlds better. Model selection isn't all that wide (Honda/Yam) but it's the closest thing I've ever seen to the real deal. http://www.ronnies.com/micro.htm And from Paul Wilson: You can also try this site. It's a bit of a kludge to use and has atrocious English translations. http://www.mc99.co.jp/english/ It has parts numbers too, but it only works for bikes sold in Japan and apparently the 94-97 iteration of the VFR was never sold on the home shores. ======== You guys, this site is far better and contans some 670 different bike fiches: http://www.motofiches.com/ Some things remain in French even if you opt for English, but it's basically pretty straighforward. You can't d/l all of them though. John Kozyn 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 23:18:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAF4I6j02895 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:18:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (67.161.33.71) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 04:18:04 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rdrdr" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: From the "Why didn't *I* think of that" Dept... Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:17:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01111416432602.22224@firewall.dcc-racing.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Brian, In the latest Motorcycle Consumer News (to those not familiar with MCN - subscriber only, no ads, black and white) they address this issue in the letters section. I'll quote: "...unless it was very close to the coils in the road, we don't see how it could do anything. We actually tried holding the device and waving it directly over the coil grooves at a local intersection, and got no results." They suggest just dropping your kickstand down on one of the coil grooves instead. Niv _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 14 23:43:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAF4hNj03254 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:43:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from 208-59-117-153.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com ([208.59.117.153] helo=neo) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 164EMz-0004ur-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:43:21 -0500 From: "Marc Washington" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 11/14/01 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:41:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c16d8f$cc32b270$99753bd0@neo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2605 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200111150000.fAF002I28909@dirty.meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Hey, I'm kind of newbie to motorcycles, just got my first bike a few months ago (88 Honda Hawk). I live in DC and need to get it inspected. I was told that bike shops can be sticklers on inspection, anyplace specific that is good for inspections? Thanks, any help would be much appreciated. Marc Washington 88 Honda Hawk GT650 MarcWashington@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: The dc-cycles list administrator [mailto:dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 7:00 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 11/14/01 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX |_| ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:37:06 -0600 From: Hahaha Subject: Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! ----VECTAFCLIV Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. 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(_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Racing kinda questions... Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:54:12 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, OK. I'm here watching old tapes of racing, and I found something to wonder about. This is a Laguna Superbike race from Fox Sports, I don't know what year, but Chandler is #1, Mladin is #66, and Ben Bostrom is on a Honda, #11. Hacking was a rookie. Is this ringing a bell, anyone? Maybe 1997? Musta' been whilst I was in college, I don't have Fox here at home. I dunno. Anyway, my question: Gridded on the outside of row 5, in the #20 slot, is the # 65 Harley-Davidson of Christopher Rankin. Is this the same guy who's so wicked fast on that (I think yellow/blue) TL-R? Just curious. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:15:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Racing kinda questions... From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fAE4G7j10027 > Anyway, my question: Gridded on the outside of row 5, in the #20 slot, > is the # 65 Harley-Davidson of Christopher Rankin. Is this the same guy > who's so wicked fast on that (I think yellow/blue) TL-R? Just curious. This is not the same Chris Rankin that races at Summit on the GSXR-750. Different guys, both fast as hell. "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:56:08 EST Subject: Re: Wrench Sessions? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 11/13/2001 2:37:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, RichH@XXXXXX writes: > In the spring I could offer my bike to show how to replace a front tire. I have a tire sitting on my living room floor right now, no waiting! I would be happy to watch someone (anyone) else put it on for me. (Kidding, I cannot stand to watch anyone else work on my bike. {and I hate to do it myself. Life is a bitch.}) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:18:39 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: OT - engagement rings?? To: DC Cycles Well, the time has come to take the next step. My girlfriend has gone from being a wonderful girlfriend to being such an integral part of my life that I can't live without her. With that bit of mushy crap said, where is a guy to go in the DC area to buy a diamond ring? Sorry for the non-motorcycle post, but when you are spending this much money it sure as hell helps to ask around!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Sender: firblt@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:19:30 -0500 To: "Paul Wilson" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Justin Lemrow Subject: Re: DC Ride ok ok ok, i'lll try and make the next one... albeit i'll be on a 99 ;) Justin At 10:38 AM 11/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Maybe we can find a few more 95 VFRs to join us next time. :) > >Paul in DC >95 VFR750F > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Westbrook" > > > Thanks again Paul. > > > > Even being a DC native I was totally lost a few times. Those are the best > > kinds of rides. > > > > Thanks > > Rich > > '95 vfr 1999 VFR 800 Northern VA/Washington DC _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Reply-To: From: "gsbh" To: "'Eric Silberg'" , "'VFR'" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Arai question (NVFRC) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:59:22 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 One downside is that my range of motion is more limited wearing the Arai, and the field of view seems somewhat more restricted, though it's still very good. ------------ FWIW I too experienced a diminished range of motion with the Arai. This is what I determined for *my* problem. The Arai Qauntum/f has a soft vinyl-like material surrounding the lower perimeter of the helmet. My problem was when this "soft" material met with my leather collar on my riding jacket, the friction was sufficient to "reduce the range of motion" especially when I turn my head to see what's next to, or behind me when I change lanes. (Mirrors are good but I only trust my eyes) My solution was to get a thin felt pad from of all places an archery shop. The intended use if this felt pad is to stick one side of it to a bow and it is supposed to prevent an arrow from making a clinking noise if the person is hunting. Guess it keeps thing quieter. For my problem, I took this 3" x 14" piece of thin black felt (self stick on one side), cut and formed it to the bottom parameter of the helmet. Guess what? Smooth sliding between the helmet bottom and the leather collar. Easier to "turn my head to see what's around." Ron - RC46 2001 VFR800Fi Heli Bars PathBlazer Leo Vinci Hi-Mount Titanium LP Tank Bra Michelin Pilots Garmin GPS V Corbin Saddle Remember! "Keep the rubber side down, and the shiny side up." _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:47:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? To: stephen cutchins , DC Cycles Wow! How awesome! Will this be a surprise? Christmas/holiday engagement? Our jeweler is in Chantilly - Eternity Jewelers. My brother-in-law is an insane researcher and researched rings, prices, etc. FOREVER before settling on this store. So I'd say it's highly recommended. :-) We do all our jewelry shopping there. Let me know if you're interested & I'll find his address & phone number... - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- stephen cutchins wrote: > Well, the time has come to take the next step. My > girlfriend has gone from being a wonderful > girlfriend > to being such an integral part of my life that I > can't > live without her. With that bit of mushy crap said, > where is a guy to go in the DC area to buy a diamond > ring? > > Sorry for the non-motorcycle post, but when you are > spending this much money it sure as hell helps to > ask around!! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: OT - engagement rings?? Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:06:53 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2001 19:56:45.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D194170:01C16D46] Stop asking such hard questions. Ask better ones that can be answered like: "Romney has some good deals on some sportbikes." You'll spend the same amount of money and.... Why *are* motorcycles better than a spouse/significant other? -They only whine when something is really wrong. -They don't get upset when you read motorcycle magazines or ride other motorcycles. -They never complain if you're a bad rider, or the ride is too short/too long/etc. -Motorcycles don`t have parents. -Your motorcycle won`t judge your friends. -If your motorcycle is noisy, you can buy a muffler. -Motorcycles don`t care about how many other motorcycles you have ridden. -Your motorcycle won`t care if you have a poster of your fantasy Motorcycle. -Your parents won`t keep in touch with your old motorcycle after you dump it. -Your motorcycle don't complain whenyou want a night out alone with other motorcycles. -If your motorcycle doesn`t look good, you can paint it or get better parts. -Your motorcycle doesn`t care how heavy you are. -If your motorcycle is cold you can choke it. -You can keep photos of your old motorcycles. -A motorcycle can go for more than one ride in an hour. -Motorcycles never develop spare tires. -Motorcycles last longer. -You don`t have to kick your motorcycle to get it going. -If your motorcycle smokes you can do something about it. -When riding, you and your motorcycle both arrive at the same time. -Your motorcycle won`t ogle other motorcycles. -Motorcycles don`t care about breast size/penis size. -If your motorcycle is too soft or loose you can get new shocks. -You don`t have to drink beer before your motorcycle looks appealing. -Your motorcycle won`t beat you or try to make you feel inferior. -You can ride a motorcycle as long as you want and it won`t get limp. -Motorcycles always feel like going for a ride when you do. -Your motorcycle won`t complain when you use protection. -Your motorcycle won`t lie to you. -In the morning, your motorcycle won`t poke you in the back when it wants to go for a ride. -Your motorcycle won`t shrink when it`s cold. -If your motorcycle can`t fire up, you can just replace the battery. -You don`t have to cook for your motorcycle. -Your motorcycle can`t ride around behind your back. -Your motorcycle would rather go for a ride than watch sports. -Your motorcycle won't mind going for another ride. -You only have to ride your motorcycle when you want to. -Your motorcycle won`t go for rides by itself. -If baldness occurs, you can replace the tires. -Motorcycles don`t snore. --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen cutchins [mailto:stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX] > > where is a guy to go in the DC area to buy a diamond > ring? _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: lantech To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: OT--- DC Cycles Night Out Idea Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:05:22 -0500 Hi Everybody--- Sorry about the off-topic post but it seems like a good idea! To make a long story short, Jon Strang and I were having an off-list discussion about fun bands and fun places to see them, and he thought that it would not be a bad idea to try and get an unofficial DC Cycles night out together. I agreed! And we came up with the following idea: Friday, Dec. 14: The Reverend Horton Heat is playing the 9:30 Club, which is at 815 V Street NW. For those of you who have never seen/heard of the Rev, I have to say it's one of the better live shows and fun crowds to be around. Think 1950's-Elvis on steroids with a really bad attitude and a nasty vocabulary. Anyway, tickets are $15 and it's usually a sell-out so if you might be interested, head on over to the Ticketmaster site and get them there. Or go to the 9:30 box office and save on all the Ticketbastard surcharges. I don't have any 9:30 Club free-ticket-magic any more, but I still get treated really well by the bartenders. Depending on the size of the group, we can meet up at my house before the show and cab down to the Club; my experience with the Reverend Horton Heat is that it's really better to avoid anything with wheels after the show! Any takers? -patti _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:43:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? To: stephen cutchins , DC Cycles boone and sons, tysons ii --- stephen cutchins wrote: > Well, the time has come to take the next step. My > girlfriend has gone from being a wonderful girlfriend > to being such an integral part of my life that I can't > live without her. With that bit of mushy crap said, > where is a guy to go in the DC area to buy a diamond > ring? > > Sorry for the non-motorcycle post, but when you are > spending this much money it sure as hell helps to ask > around!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:51:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? To: stephen cutchins , DC-Cycles I got the engagement ring for my fiancee (only 2.5 weeks left to call her that) at Washington Diamonds http://www.washingtondiamond.com/ in Falls Church, VA, on Rt. 7. My buddy got his engagement ring there and recommended it to me. No pressures, the gave me all the time and information I needed to make a decision, and were very helpful all along the way. I worked with Walter Via, although they all seem to be helpful people. Yeah, diamonds probably are cheaper on line, but the one on one service made me all the more comfortable about it when the time came to say "That one." For some very good tips, I used and recommend http://www.bridaltips.com/diamond.htm OB-Moto - My bride to be likes going on the motorcycle, but for short rides, no 1,000 miles days for her. I'll take what I can get! Good luck!! Louis Caplan --- stephen cutchins wrote: > Well, the time has come to take the next step. My > girlfriend has gone from being a wonderful girlfriend > to being such an integral part of my life that I can't > live without her. With that bit of mushy crap said, > where is a guy to go in the DC area to buy a diamond > ring? > > Sorry for the non-motorcycle post, but when you are > spending this much money it sure as hell helps to ask around!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: Cedric Bernescut To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: OT - engagement rings?? Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:14:18 -0500 Ditto for me. Tom Daube was great. Cedric I got the engagement ring for my fiancee (only 2.5 weeks left to call her that) at Washington Diamonds http://www.washingtondiamond.com/ in Falls Church, VA, on Rt. 7. My buddy got his engagement ring there and recommended it to me. No pressures, the gave me all the time and information I needed to make a decision, and were very helpful all along the way. I worked with Walter Via, although they all seem to be helpful people. snip Louis Caplan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: From the "Why didn't *I* think of that" Dept... Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:43:26 -0500 http://www.greenlighttrigger.com/index.html Pretty nifty idea, especially in DC/VA/MD where you often get stuck at lights with triggers at night. - Roach _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:01:38 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: From the "Why didn't *I* think of that" Dept... According to MCN these things don't work. It's just a magnet anyways so I don't see any point in buying one made special for motorcycles. Hugh On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Brian Roach wrote: > > http://www.greenlighttrigger.com/index.html > > Pretty nifty idea, especially in DC/VA/MD where you often get stuck at lights > with triggers at night. > > - Roach > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:11:23 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: moto fiche To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I know I've referred to Partsfish and other resources before but by accident I found this one. and it's worlds better. Model selection isn't all that wide (Honda/Yam) but it's the closest thing I've ever seen to the real deal. http://www.ronnies.com/micro.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:11:17 -0500 To: stephen cutchins , DC Cycles From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? At 12:18 PM 11/14/01, stephen cutchins wrote: >Sorry for the non-motorcycle post, but when you are >spending this much money it sure as hell helps to ask around!! A *really* worthwhile woman would want a cubic zirconium ring, and put the money saved into a new machine. Has anyone ever met one of these? -- Larry (Duck? Vy a duck?) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: OT - engagement rings?? Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:16:39 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2001 22:06:31.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DCDE2B0:01C16D58] I think that there are some female listers that would say "F--- the fancy rings, let's get plain bands and new bikes/bike parts." ....but I could be mistaken. --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Larson [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 5:11 PM > To: stephen cutchins; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? > > > At 12:18 PM 11/14/01, stephen cutchins wrote: > >Sorry for the non-motorcycle post, but when you are > >spending this much money it sure as hell helps to ask around!! > > A *really* worthwhile woman would want a cubic zirconium ring, > and put the money saved into a new machine. Has anyone ever > met one of these? > > -- Larry > > (Duck? Vy a duck?) > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Paul Wilson" To: "matthew patton" , Subject: Re: moto fiche Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:39:05 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Thanks for the link. Looks like the ticket since those appear to be "real" OEM part numbers. Maybe he's working alphabetically and he'll get to the VFRs eventually. Partsfiche, Bike Bandit, etc. use in house numbers so you can't go to www.servicehonda.com and use their on-line quote service to get the parts cheaper. Of course I could just buy a part diagram fiche off eBay. You can use www.motofiches.com (very clear diagrams but no part numbers) find out you need a #6 on diagram such and such and then call around. You can also try this site. It's a bit of a kludge to use and has atrocious English translations. http://www.mc99.co.jp/english/ It has parts numbers too, but it only works for bikes sold in Japan and apparently the 94-97 iteration of the VFR was never sold on the home shores. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "matthew patton" > I know I've referred to Partsfish and other resources > before but by accident I found this one. and it's > worlds better. Model selection isn't all that wide > (Honda/Yam) but it's the closest thing I've ever seen > to the real deal. > > http://www.ronnies.com/micro.htm _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:10:13 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: moto fiche On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Paul Wilson wrote: > Thanks for the link. Looks like the ticket since those appear to be > "real" OEM part numbers. Maybe he's working alphabetically and he'll > get to the VFRs eventually. Partsfiche, Bike Bandit, etc. use in > house numbers so you can't go to www.servicehonda.com and use their > on-line quote service to get the parts cheaper. Huh? That's exactly what I did with the Partsfiche info. I plugged it into both ronayersmotorsports.com and servicehonda.com to get better pricing (ron ayers won that test). Kirk _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:32:03 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: stephen cutchins CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? Congratulations, I think :-) I'd pick a local established jewelry store that can resize the ring on premises, just in case you guess the size wrong. That's what I did. Spending money? Hmmm, back in the good ol' days, shortly after the invention of the wheel, I think I paid $189 for an engagement ring. That was about every dollar I made working at pool company over spring break. And it was a big gamble, I'd only been dating the girl a few months and she wasn't expecting a ring. Bill stephen cutchins wrote: > Well, the time has come to take the next step. My > girlfriend has gone from being a wonderful girlfriend > to being such an integral part of my life that I can't > live without her. With that bit of mushy crap said, > where is a guy to go in the DC area to buy a diamond > ring? > > Sorry for the non-motorcycle post, but when you are > spending this much money it sure as hell helps to ask around!! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 00:59:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail42.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail42.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAF5xDj04334 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from vaio ([24.6.106.133]) by femail42.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011115055907.XUVO7537.femail42.sdc1.sfba.home.com@vaio> for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:59:07 -0800 Message-ID: <002e01c16d9a$a51c21c0$6401a8c0@vaio> From: "James Reazor" To: "DC-CYCLES" References: Subject: Re: From the "Why didn't *I* think of that" Dept... Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:59:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This was discussed a while ago on the SV list. A couple guys tried it and came to the conclusion that it had to be a pretty strong magnet. The best results seemed to come from the rare earth magnets in old hard drives so if you have any lying around it may be worth a shot. -James '00 SV650 ----- Original Message ----- From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 9:05 PM Subject: RE: From the "Why didn't *I* think of that" Dept... > I've heard this discussed on other lists. The consensus was that it was a > big magnet and that any large magnet would do as well. > > YMMV > > LindaT. > Custom TankBags > Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner > > Brian Roach said: > > > > http://www.greenlighttrigger.com/index.html > > Pretty nifty idea, especially in DC/VA/MD where you often get stuck at > lights > with triggers at night. > > - Roach > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 01:02:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail31.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail31.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAF62sj04409 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:02:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from vaio ([24.6.106.133]) by femail31.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011115060248.ZFIU25767.femail31.sdc1.sfba.home.com@vaio> for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:02:48 -0800 Message-ID: <004801c16d9b$28c4f740$6401a8c0@vaio> From: "James Reazor" To: "DC Cycles" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011114170914.00aa8b60@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:02:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 My wife got an "engagement Volkswagen". Does that count? -James '00SV650 > A *really* worthwhile woman would want a cubic zirconium ring, > and put the money saved into a new machine. Has anyone ever > met one of these? > > -- Larry > > (Duck? Vy a duck?) > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 08:44:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFDiIj11604 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:44:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:43:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200111150843.AA159908382@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: From the "Why didn't *I* think of that" Dept... X-Mailer: MCN's "test" consisted only of waving it over the sensor loop in the road. In real life it's attached to a motorcycle. Also, the Green Light Trigger instructions say that it works only when moving, and approaching the sensor at 5-10 mph gives the best results. MCN's "test" was sorely lacking in real-world validity. I bought two, for two bikes, based on positive comments on the BMW and PC800 list. A traffic light that has never triggered for me in 5 years triggered the first time (and every time since) when I had the magnet - and followed directions. Yes, it's only a magnet. So go buy your own. Yes, the GreenLight Trigger costs $9 (nine dollars) and has a money-back guarantee. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: hcaldwell Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:01:38 -0500 (EST) > > According to MCN these things don't work. It's just a >magnet anyways so I don't see any point in buying one made >special for motorcycles. > >Hugh > >On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Brian Roach wrote: > >> >> http://www.greenlighttrigger.com/index.html >> >> Pretty nifty idea, especially in DC/VA/MD where you often get stuck at lights >> with triggers at night. >> >> - Roach >> > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 08:59:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFDxhj11868 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcmail2a.dc.gov ([10.128.7.14]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20011115135942.YHOE26296.dcmail0@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:59:42 -0500 Received: from [10.128.7.16] by dcmail2a.dc.gov with SMTP id <20011115135942.UWWI10731.dcmail2a@[10.128.7.16]> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:59:42 -0500 From: Patti Rodgers Organization: Center for Workforce Development To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: OT - engagement rings?? Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 9:02:11 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20011115135942.UWWI10731.dcmail2a@[10.128.7.16]> > > From: Larry Larson > Date: 2001/11/14 Wed PM 05:11:17 EST I don't think I could settle for a CZ... but I'd be willing to make a deal: you buy the fancy, shiny ring and I'll spring for the bike. As long as I get to keep the bike if "something goes south!" You can have the ring back, though... -patti > > A *really* worthwhile woman would want a cubic zirconium ring, > and put the money saved into a new machine. Has anyone ever > met one of these? > > -- Larry > > (Duck? Vy a duck?) > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 09:20:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFEKhj12284 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-113-64.s318.tnt8.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.113.64] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 164NNh-0001Qa-00; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:20:42 -0500 Message-ID: <005101c16de1$1ee55620$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Marc Washington" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <000001c16d8f$cc32b270$99753bd0@neo> Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 11/14/01 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:21:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Shops do not do the inspections for DC-registered bikes, or cars for that matter. You need to go to the inspection station on Half St. SW just north of M St. Bike inspection is lights and horn, VIN and displacement verification. I'm surprised that you say you "need" an inspection since DMV won't issue a new title and tags for a bike without the required paperwork from the inspection station. Hope that helps, Paul in DC 95 VFR750F www.wilsonline.org PS - Please don't send an entire digest to the list using the "reply" function. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Washington" > Hey, I'm kind of newbie to motorcycles, just got my first bike a few > months ago (88 Honda Hawk). I live in DC and need to get it inspected. > I was told that bike shops can be sticklers on inspection, anyplace > specific that is good for inspections? Thanks, any help would be much > appreciated. > > Marc Washington > 88 Honda Hawk GT650 > MarcWashington@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 09:27:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11005.mail.yahoo.com (web11005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.55]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAFERlj12395 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:27:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011115142745.38579.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.22.127.200] by web11005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 06:27:45 PST Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 06:27:45 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: RE: OT - engagement rings?? To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >I think that there are some female listers that > would say "F--- the fancy > rings, let's get plain bands and new bikes/bike > parts." My significant other is of this nature. She is on the list but lurking. Hi sweety. We are engage as well. (Not sure you knew that Niv.) She rides an 99 SV650. I am also ring shopping but she wants something simple and small (just like her bike ;-))). Any way we are looking for somethins simple in platinum. Seems like every is getting married. Yippeee. Trey 99 Triumph Trophy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 09:32:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11002.mail.yahoo.com (web11002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAFEWrj12472 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:32:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011115143252.52682.qmail@web11002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.22.127.200] by web11002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 06:32:52 PST Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 06:32:52 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: paris bike show pics To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.pbase.com/ochretie/mondial_du_2_roues __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 09:37:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11006.mail.yahoo.com (web11006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.56]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAFEbOj12587 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:37:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011115143723.68902.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.22.127.200] by web11006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 06:37:23 PST Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 06:37:23 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Cool Foe-Toes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001701c16d7e$bcfba5c0$7ef3e641@apnHOFOJOKO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sorry please ignore my paris mike show post. I meant to sent this to another list. Duh Trey --- "Howard J. Koontz" wrote: > Enjoy. > > http://www.pbase.com/ochretie/mondial_du_2_roues > > Be sure to check out all 10 pages. The index is hard > to see, it's a dark > screen with dark colored numbers. > > > Howard J. Koontz > 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard > 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 09:40:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9607.mail.yahoo.com (web9607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.186]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAFEeaj12611 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:40:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011115144035.94155.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 06:40:35 PST Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 06:40:35 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannette Subject: RE: OT - engagement rings?? To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20011115142745.38579.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I know what you mean. I told my hubby that I couldn't imagine wearing something on my hand that cost more than a car! LOL I'd feel nervous all the time! But that's just me. Each to his/her own... And as Gimer said, there will always be more jewelry to get! Christmas, anniversaries...bring it on! ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- Trey Herb wrote: > > My significant other is of this nature. She is on > the > list but lurking. Hi sweety. We are engage as well. > (Not sure you knew that Niv.) She rides an 99 SV650. > I > am also ring shopping but she wants something simple > and small (just like her bike ;-))). Any way we are > looking for somethins simple in platinum. Seems like > every is getting married. Yippeee. > > Trey > 99 Triumph Trophy > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 09:54:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from FW2.dt.navy.mil (FW2.dt.navy.mil [192.5.27.136]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFEs0j12853 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by FW2.dt.navy.mil; id JAA00351; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(130.46.225.16) by FW2.dt.navy.mil via smap (V5.5) id xma029722; Thu, 15 Nov 01 09:56:17 -0500 Received: from navgate.dt.navy.mil (navgate.dt.navy.mil [130.46.225.15]) by smtprelay.dt.navy.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA31920 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:52:42 -0500 Received: (from silbergejw2k [130.46.162.39]) by navgate.dt.navy.mil (NAVGW 2.5.1.12) with SMTP id M2001111509524204813 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:52:42 -0500 Message-ID: <046f01c16de5$9bd28cd0$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> Reply-To: "Eric Silberg" From: "Eric Silberg" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20011115142745.38579.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:55:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > and small (just like her bike ;-))). Any way we are > looking for somethins simple in platinum. Seems like > every is getting married. Yippeee. Platinum? What about billet or carbon fiber? From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 10:18:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFFIgj13241 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-185-072.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.185.72] helo=pltrgyst.xhost.org) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 164OHn-0004zZ-00; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:18:40 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011115101048.00aa9100@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:18:29 -0500 To: Patti Rodgers , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Re: OT - engagement rings?? In-Reply-To: <20011115135942.UWWI10731.dcmail2a@[10.128.7.16]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > From: Larry Larson > > A *really* worthwhile woman would want a cubic zirconium ring, > > and put the money saved into a new machine. Has anyone ever > > met one of these? At 09:02 AM 11/15/01, Patti Rodgers wrote: >I don't think I could settle for a CZ... but I'd be willing to make a deal: >you buy the fancy, shiny ring and I'll spring for the bike. As long as >I get to keep the bike if "something goes south!" You can have the >ring back, though... I'm afraid the "something going south" would be me. On the Aprilia, at high speed. Been there, done that -- divorced after 18 years. Learned a lesson, just not sure which one. Now my SO and I will have been engaged for ten years this Christmas Day, and it suits us just fine. Why rush into things? 8;) -- Larry (Although somehow she is getting a new BMW, which we're picking up in Munich on December 20th. Sadly, BMW motorcycles doesn't have a European delivery program.) From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 10:41:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFFf0j13614 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GMU00DAPM5EMG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:39:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GMU00K01M55WI@XXXXXX>; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:39:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GMU00IDNM4VJN@XXXXXX>; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:38:55 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:38:50 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <3BF3E18A.EA18CEA4@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20011114205159.11919.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > For > some very good tips, I used and recommend http://www.bridaltips.com/diamond.htm Nice site, thanks. Got a 10 year anniversary coming up, might surprise the SO with something special. > OB-Moto - My bride to be likes going on the motorcycle, but for short rides, no > 1,000 miles days for her. I'll take what I can get! She sounds like a keeper. Who wants a passenger on a long ride anyway? I use the pillion seat to stretch out on occasion... :) Congrats, Louis. Best wishes for you and the bride-to-be. Hork -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 10:48:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFFmvj13769 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:48:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GMU00G7ZMHVZ2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:46:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GMU00E01MHSDY@XXXXXX>; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:46:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GMU00D81MHC66@XXXXXX>; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:46:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:46:20 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: From the "Why didn't *I* think of that" Dept... To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3BF3E34C.EDCFEF45@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <01111416432602.22224@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Brian Roach wrote: > > http://www.greenlighttrigger.com/index.html > > Pretty nifty idea, especially in DC/VA/MD where you often get stuck at lights > with triggers at night. It'd be an even better idea if it worked. I filed it in the "Deer Whistles" category in my snake oil folder. :) -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 11:04:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFG4lj14009 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:04:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-113-64.s318.tnt8.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.113.64] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 164P0P-0007RY-00; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:04:46 -0500 Message-ID: <01a501c16def$a84e4e40$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "John Kozyn" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: moto fiche Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:05:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I referred to www.motofiches.com in my post too. Nice clear diagrams, but no part numbers though, which is a major disadvantage of the site for shopping around purposes. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kozyn" > > And from Paul Wilson: > > You can also try this site. It's a bit of a kludge to use and has > atrocious English translations. http://www.mc99.co.jp/english/ It has > parts numbers too, but it only works for bikes sold in Japan and apparently > the 94-97 iteration of the VFR was never sold on the home shores. > > ======== > > You guys, this site is far better and contans some 670 different bike > fiches: > > http://www.motofiches.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 11:25:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFGPtj14384 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:28:02 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666AE52@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: engagement rings?? Next step Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:28:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Women's Motorcycling Gear: http://members.aol.com/MotorLE/ If Colleen doesn't have it: www.toosys.com/she_rides.htm and www.she-rides.com Honeymoon at TWO. From the "Why didn't *I* think of that" Dept... Hugh Caldwell claimed, "According to MCN these things don't work. It's just a magnet anyways so I don't see any point in buying one made special for motorcycles." Yup, much cheaper at Radio Shack. But save your money, I have a bettah deal on a bridge across the East River. ;^) Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 12:23:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFHN6j15560 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQlpgv09107; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:23:08 GMT Received: from usashexims01.corp.us.uu.net by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.UU.NET [153.39.80.14]) id QQlpgv13556; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:19:46 GMT Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.UU.NET with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:10:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'jmstrang@XXXXXX'" Subject: OT - engagement rings?? Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:10:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jon Strang wrote: I think that there are some female listers that would say "F--- the fancy rings, let's get plain bands and new bikes/bike parts." ....but I could be mistaken. --jon That's a no-brainer. Especially if a girl could get some extra accessories to go with that nice, new bike! ;) From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 12:58:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFHwfj16257 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay02.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id fAFHf3S0005849 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:41:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GMUSL900.3WQ for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:58:21 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GMUSL800.I0R for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:58:20 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:58:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Subject: Puking CBR From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <51BD2246-D9F2-11D5-A0AA-003065B452D2@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fAFHwij16258 Recently, the CBR began prematurely overheating. The bike had run low on coolant do to a leak, so I had the leak fixed, replaced the coolant, and the bike stopped overheating. Now the bike is puking 1/3-1/2 a cup of coolant whenever I get off of the bike. This has happened twice this week after riding from my house to work. (3.5 miles.) The bike wasn't even up to temperature yet. Any ideas as to why this is happening? Did I just overfill the cooling system, so that when the bike warms up and the coolant expands, the expanded coolant has no place to go but out? Thanks. "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." M-^WErnest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 13:16:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFIGWj16595 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce (dialup36.megapipe.net [208.218.73.36]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA00304 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:08:35 -0500 Message-ID: <006401c16e01$d06fe020$2449dad0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: <51BD2246-D9F2-11D5-A0AA-003065B452D2@mac.com> Subject: Re: Puking CBR Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:17:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 It's impossible to overfill the system, when it gets hot and pushes coolant out it should go into the recovery bottle, then when it cools and contracts vacuum should pull coolant back into the system. The radiator cap allows this two way flow. There should be no air in the radiator. Is the recovery bottle actually filling to the top and then overflowing? It sounds like the thermostat may be stuck shut. What about longer trips? Is the temp gauge behaving normally/like it always does? If it has overheated several times there may be a more extensive problem, i.e. blown head gasket or warped head/block. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Jordan" > Recently, the CBR began prematurely overheating. The bike had run low on > coolant do to a leak, so I had the leak fixed, replaced the coolant, and > the bike stopped overheating. Now the bike is puking 1/3-1/2 a cup of > coolant whenever I get off of the bike. This has happened twice this > week after riding from my house to work. (3.5 miles.) The bike wasn't > even up to temperature yet. Any ideas as to why this is happening? Did I > just overfill the cooling system, so that when the bike warms up and the > coolant expands, the expanded coolant has no place to go but out? Thanks. From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 13:21:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ddlexchange.ddlomni.com ([204.245.128.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFIL5j16743 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from jstrang ([204.245.128.170]) by ddlexchange.ddlomni.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:09:14 -0500 From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Puking CBR Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:19:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <51BD2246-D9F2-11D5-A0AA-003065B452D2@mac.com> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2001 18:09:14.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[A28E3A90:01C16E00] Sean, I've seen two things cause this: (1) EZ-fix: The spring on the radiator cap is shot. Any pressure in the system-->puke coolant. Fix: New radiator cap. (2) Uglier: Bad head gasket/warped head. The head has a cylinder<-->coolant system leak. Combustion gases after ignition (and probably before on compression stroke) are at higher pressure than coolant system, puts gas bubbles in coolant system-->displaced coolant pukes out. Even worse part: When coolant system at higher pressure (e.g. intake stroke) --> coolant into cylinder --> slow erosion of piston, ring, cylinder wall. Fix: new gasket, unless head warped. Head warped: replace head. Since you overheated the bike (more than once), I have a bad feeling. But if it was never severely overheated, and if you never did the "fill the hot, empty radiator with cold water and restart the bike" dance, there's a very good chance that it's just coincidence that the cap went to hell just now. I'd replace the cap first and see if that fixes it. That might not be proper troubleshooting procedure, but it's quick and easy. --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Jordan [mailto:eternity23@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 12:58 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Puking CBR > > > Recently, the CBR began prematurely overheating. The bike had run low on > coolant do to a leak, so I had the leak fixed, replaced the coolant, and > the bike stopped overheating. Now the bike is puking 1/3-1/2 a cup of > coolant whenever I get off of the bike. This has happened twice this > week after riding from my house to work. (3.5 miles.) The bike wasn't > even up to temperature yet. Any ideas as to why this is happening? Did I > just overfill the cooling system, so that when the bike warms up and the > coolant expands, the expanded coolant has no place to go but out? Thanks. > > > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the > skillful defiance of it." > > M-^WErnest Becker (1924-1974) > > Sean Jordan > Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing > '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) > '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) > WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 > http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html > From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 14:26:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFJQwj17848 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w024 ([168.144.108.24]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:26:53 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: OT - engagement rings?? Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:26:47 -0500 To: "swood@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "jmstrang@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2001 19:26:54.0076 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B9E6BC0:01C16E0B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fAFJSPj17849 I don't even want to know what kind of accessories or what you intend to do with them! %^) Original Message: ----------------- From: Wood, Sally swood@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:10:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jmstrang@XXXXXX Subject: OT - engagement rings?? Jon Strang wrote: I think that there are some female listers that would say "F--- the fancy rings, let's get plain bands and new bikes/bike parts." ...but I could be mistaken. --jon That's a no-brainer. Especially if a girl could get some extra accessories to go with that nice, new bike! ;) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 14:58:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFJwMj18436 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:58:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id fAFJwLs28378; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:58:21 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Puking CBR Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:56:15 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="WINDOWS-1252" References: <51BD2246-D9F2-11D5-A0AA-003065B452D2@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <51BD2246-D9F2-11D5-A0AA-003065B452D2@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01111514561500.22942@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is the radiator hot when you get to your house? Feel the radiator. If it's not hot, the thermostat is stuck/bad. Beyond that... I'd bet on a blown head gasket. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 15:10:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAFKAXj18634 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (67.161.33.71) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 20:10:31 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rdrdr" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Puking CBR Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:09:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal You may have just overfilled the radiator, or... you may have a bubble of air trapped in there. Try opening the radiator top and tilting the bike from side to side (w/ your behamoth I'd get someone to help with that task) to get the bubble out. May the Gasket Gods be with you. Niv > > Recently, the CBR began prematurely overheating. The bike had run low on > coolant do to a leak, so I had the leak fixed, replaced the coolant, and > the bike stopped overheating. Now the bike is puking 1/3-1/2 a cup of > coolant whenever I get off of the bike. This has happened twice this > week after riding from my house to work. (3.5 miles.) The bike wasn't > even up to temperature yet. Any ideas as to why this is happening? Did I > just overfill the cooling system, so that when the bike warms up and the > coolant expands, the expanded coolant has no place to go but out? Thanks. > > > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the > skillful defiance of it." > > M-^WErnest Becker (1924-1974) > > Sean Jordan > Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing > '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) > '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) > WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 > http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 15:23:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFKNgj18867 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:23:33 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E23D@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: Cedric Bernescut To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: moto fiche Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:23:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You may want to send a quote to theses guys as well. www.zanottimotor.com I discovered them through the CBR list; if you send them the part numbers they beat everyone. On my last quote prices were 6-10% below Ron Ayers, depending upon the item. Here is a sample from my last quote of a few days ago. Don't read anything into the fact that these are all right side bodywork pieces :) I deleted all the usual disclaimer stuff in interests of space, so don't hold anyone to these prices. YMMV Hi, Here's prices on the parts you asked about. Retail is for each. Your Cost is the total for amount requested for that item. Retail Your Cost 90191-MK4-000 screw $ 3.10 $ 1.89 53105-MN4-000 WEIGHT 12.57 8.19 33450-MW0-670 L TURN 47.96 32.18 33400-MW0-670 R TURN 47.96 32.18 64304-MAL-890ZA M CV 103.22 69.26 64509-KE8-700 S RTNR 1.40 .85 61306-167-000 NUT 3.00 1.83 90165-MV9-000 SCREW 2.82 1.89 As long as box is not too big which it shouldn't be shipping should be around $10.00. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 Annandale, VA Huh? That's exactly what I did with the Partsfiche info. I plugged it into both ronayersmotorsports.com and servicehonda.com to get better pricing (ron ayers won that test). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 16:05:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFL5bj19674 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-115-193.s447.tnt9.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.115.193] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 164ThY-00056f-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:05:36 -0500 Message-ID: <00a501c16e19$7b953ba0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Roadblocks for license checks OKed Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:05:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 >From a MC legal issues mailing list I'm on. This could have an impact on riders w/o endorsements. =================== U.S. SUPREME COURT APPROVES ROADBLOCKS The U.S. Supreme Court concluded it is constitutional for law enforcement officers to set up roadblocks to randomly check motorists and other road users for proper driver's licenses. Without comment, the justices declined to hear -- and thus let stand -- an Ohio Supreme Court ruling that concluded roadblocks established by Dayton police did not violate the U. S. Constitution's ban on unreasonable search and seizure. The justices handed a victory to Dayton police who set up roadblocks to catch unlicensed drivers. Dayton officials argued that the checks took only a matter of moments and that the city had a compelling reason to determine whether operators were legally licensed to drive. With its decision not to hear the case, the justices expanded the reach of two of their earlier decisions that provided police with broader powers to establish checkpoints without first obtaining a warrant. This news should be of particular interest to motorcyclists, who typically are vociferously opposed to unwarranted stop, question and search methods as a means of profiling bikers, though such roadblocks would certainly improve on the high percentage of riders who are unlicensed. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 16:27:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com (mail.mckissackdc.com [209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFLREj20068 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:26:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Roadblocks for license checks OKed Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:26:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Excuse my squidliness, but why are we so opposed to "unwarranted stop, question and search methods as a means of profiling bikers"? Granted I don't like stopping for no reason. I cringe more when I hear they are actively trying to stop excessive speeding by motorcyclists. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:06 PM To: dc-cycles list Subject: Roadblocks for license checks OKed >From a MC legal issues mailing list I'm on. This could have an impact on riders w/o endorsements. =================== U.S. SUPREME COURT APPROVES ROADBLOCKS The U.S. Supreme Court concluded it is constitutional for law enforcement officers to set up roadblocks to randomly check motorists and other road users for proper driver's licenses. Without comment, the justices declined to hear -- and thus let stand -- an Ohio Supreme Court ruling that concluded roadblocks established by Dayton police did not violate the U. S. Constitution's ban on unreasonable search and seizure. The justices handed a victory to Dayton police who set up roadblocks to catch unlicensed drivers. Dayton officials argued that the checks took only a matter of moments and that the city had a compelling reason to determine whether operators were legally licensed to drive. With its decision not to hear the case, the justices expanded the reach of two of their earlier decisions that provided police with broader powers to establish checkpoints without first obtaining a warrant. This news should be of particular interest to motorcyclists, who typically are vociferously opposed to unwarranted stop, question and search methods as a means of profiling bikers, though such roadblocks would certainly improve on the high percentage of riders who are unlicensed. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 16:32:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAFLW2j20173 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (dhcp-2.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.242]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAFLVnG45784 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:31:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011115162342.034eeea8@mail.annapurna.com> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:29:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Roadblocks for license checks OKed In-Reply-To: <00a501c16e19$7b953ba0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:05 PM 11/15/2001, Paul Wilson wrote: >This news should be of particular interest to motorcyclists, who typically >are vociferously opposed to unwarranted stop, question and search methods >as a means of profiling bikers, though such roadblocks would certainly >improve on the high percentage of riders who are unlicensed. Are a high percentage of riders unlicensed? Source for that info? Is "high" 80% or 8%, I wonder? Or are they saying that the portion of motorcyclists who are high are unlicensed? :-) Ah, the English language; it can be a scalpel or a brick. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 16:41:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13608.mail.yahoo.com (web13608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.119]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAFLfZj20277 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:41:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011115214134.97554.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.10.248.51] by web13608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:41:34 PST Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:41:34 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Sanjour Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011114170914.00aa8b60@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, but she wants the new bike... Joe --- Larry Larson wrote: > A *really* worthwhile woman would want a cubic > zirconium ring, > and put the money saved into a new machine. Has > anyone ever > met one of these? > > -- Larry > > (Duck? Vy a duck?) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 16:43:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10901.mail.yahoo.com (web10901.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAFLhqj20351 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:43:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011115214351.21847.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.80.171.28] by web10901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:43:51 PST Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:43:51 -0800 (PST) From: John Germuga To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bill - Do you write for General Hospital? Way to leave us digesters hanging on the last post of the day. So I gotta know, did she say yes? I think I could swing that kind of deal. Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:32:03 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: stephen cutchins CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? Congratulations, I think :-) I'd pick a local established jewelry store that can resize the ring on premises, just in case you guess the size wrong. That's what I did. Spending money? Hmmm, back in the good ol' days, shortly after the invention of the wheel, I think I paid $189 for an engagement ring. That was about every dollar I made working at pool company over spring break. And it was a big gamble, I'd only been dating the girl a few months and she wasn't expecting a ring. Bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 17:20:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13807.mail.yahoo.com (web13807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAFMKIj21153 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:20:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011115222017.33332.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:20:17 PST Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:20:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Roadblocks for license checks OKed To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <00a501c16e19$7b953ba0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Military trials, monitored lawyer-client meetings, increasing searches (ok, that one is not 9-11 related). This is all so f**ked up! What is happening to our country? --- Paul Wilson wrote: > From a MC legal issues mailing list I'm on. This > could have an impact on > riders w/o endorsements. > =================== > U.S. SUPREME COURT APPROVES ROADBLOCKS The U.S. > Supreme Court concluded it > is constitutional for law enforcement officers to > set up roadblocks to > randomly check motorists and other road users for > proper driver's licenses. > > Without comment, the justices declined to hear -- > and thus let stand -- an > Ohio Supreme Court ruling that concluded roadblocks > established by Dayton > police did not violate the U. S. Constitution's ban > on unreasonable search > and seizure. > > The justices handed a victory to Dayton police who > set up roadblocks to > catch unlicensed drivers. Dayton officials argued > that the checks took > only a matter of moments and that the city had a > compelling reason to > determine whether operators were legally licensed to > drive. > > With its decision not to hear the case, the justices > expanded the reach of > two of their earlier decisions that provided police > with broader powers to > establish checkpoints without first obtaining a > warrant. > > This news should be of particular interest to > motorcyclists, who typically > are vociferously opposed to unwarranted stop, > question and search methods > as a means of profiling bikers, though such > roadblocks would certainly > improve on the high percentage of riders who are > unlicensed. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F > www.wilsonline.org > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 19:18:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAG0I2j23086 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-6.patriot.net [209.249.180.6]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fAG0I0V32348; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:18:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3BF459B8.C0A204C9@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:11:36 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Puking CBR References: <51BD2246-D9F2-11D5-A0AA-003065B452D2@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Coolant ??? (scratchs head) Sean Jordan wrote: > Recently, the CBR began prematurely overheating. The bike had run low on > coolant do to a leak, so I had the leak fixed, replaced the coolant, and > the bike stopped overheating. Now the bike is puking 1/3-1/2 a cup of > coolant whenever I get off of the bike. This has happened twice this > week after riding from my house to work. (3.5 miles.) The bike wasn't > even up to temperature yet. Any ideas as to why this is happening? Did I > just overfill the cooling system, so that when the bike warms up and the > coolant expands, the expanded coolant has no place to go but out? Thanks. > > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the > skillful defiance of it." > > M-^WErnest Becker (1924-1974) > > Sean Jordan > Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing > '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) > '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) > WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 > http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 19:23:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAG0NFj23163 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-6.patriot.net [209.249.180.6]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fAG0NDV00900; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:23:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3BF45AF1.D5A07402@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:16:49 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Winters CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Roadblocks for license checks OKed References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011115162342.034eeea8@mail.annapurna.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The last stat I heard was betwixt 40% and 50% of M/C riders do not have a motorcycle endorsement on the license. Which means thye probably aren't insured or have cheesy insurance. My insurance carrier checks for the M on the permit. Bill Rob Winters wrote: > At 04:05 PM 11/15/2001, Paul Wilson wrote: > >This news should be of particular interest to motorcyclists, who typically > >are vociferously opposed to unwarranted stop, question and search methods > >as a means of profiling bikers, though such roadblocks would certainly > >improve on the high percentage of riders who are unlicensed. > > Are a high percentage of riders unlicensed? Source for that info? > > Is "high" 80% or 8%, I wonder? > > Or are they saying that the portion of motorcyclists who are high are > unlicensed? :-) > > Ah, the English language; it can be a scalpel or a brick. > > /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 19:33:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from stmpy-2.cais.net (stmpy-2.cais.net [205.252.14.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAG0X4j23329 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:33:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (dial23.cl9.cais.net [207.226.85.150]) by stmpy-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAG0X2o43867 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:33:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00d301c16e2f$671915a0$a155e2cf@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: From the "Why didn't *I* think of that" Dept... Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:43:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C16E05.7A000CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C16E05.7A000CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes. As I was about ready to post on this -- MCN [that monthly tablet of truth to certain believers] embellishes its = "...got no results" with "The simplest thing to do is to put your = kickstand [or centerstand] down on one of the coil grooves . . .. = That's been fairly foolproof for us." =20 Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 II Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: hcaldwell Subject: Re: From the "Why didn't *I* think of that" Dept... According to MCN these things don't work. It's just a magnet anyways so I don't see any point in buying one made special for motorcycles. Hugh On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Brian Roach wrote: > > http://www.greenlighttrigger.com/index.html > > Pretty nifty idea, especially in DC/VA/MD where you often get stuck at = lights > with triggers at night. > > - Roach > ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C16E05.7A000CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes.  As I was = about ready to=20 post on this --
 
MCN [that monthly = tablet of truth to=20 certain believers] embellishes its "...got no results"  with=20 "The = simplest thing=20 to do is to put your kickstand [or centerstand] down on one of the coil = grooves=20 . . ..  That's been fairly foolproof for us." =20
 
Bill S. / DC
'99 VN750 II
Join the AMA.  = Help=20 protect my riding fun.
From: hcaldwell <hcaldwell@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: From the "Why didn't = *I* think=20 of that" Dept...

According to MCN these things don't work. It's = just=20 a
magnet anyways so I don't see any point in buying one = made
special for=20 motorcycles.

Hugh

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Brian Roach=20 wrote:

>
> http://www.greenlighttrigger.com/index.html
>
> Pretty nifty idea, especially in DC/VA/MD where = you often=20 get stuck at lights
> with triggers at night.
>
> -=20 Roach
>

------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C16E05.7A000CC0-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 19:51:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAG0p9j23678 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-6.patriot.net [209.249.180.6]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fAG0p6V06153; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:51:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3BF4617A.B5209986@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:44:42 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Germuga CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: References: <20011115214351.21847.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Germuga wrote: > Bill - Do you write for General Hospital? No GH, but I do write fiction - pulp fiction :-) > Way to leave us digesters hanging on the last post of > the day. So I gotta know, did she say yes? I think I > could swing that kind of deal. The scene of the crime (cradle robbing? she was just 19) was her dorm lobby, surrounded by witnesses. Still offering her no clue what was about to occur, I handed her the little box, flipping it open. Her earsplitting shriek of joy and the exhuberant happy dance that followed I interpreted as a yes. I was right - married a few months later. The happy ending? Well, it's been 35 years and it ain't over yet. Bill > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:32:03 -0500 > From: "William J. Huson" > To: stephen cutchins > CC: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: OT - engagement rings?? > > Congratulations, I think :-) I'd pick a local > established jewelry > store > that can resize the ring on premises, just in case you > guess the size > wrong. That's what I did. > Spending money? Hmmm, back in the good ol' days, > shortly after the > invention of the wheel, I think I paid $189 for an > engagement ring. > That was about every dollar I made working at pool > company over spring > break. And it was a big gamble, I'd only been dating > the girl a few > months and she wasn't expecting a ring. > > Bill > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 21:01:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAG21cj24781 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-185-072.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.185.72] helo=pltrgyst.xhost.org) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 164YJz-00058K-00; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:01:36 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011115205858.00aa3870@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:01:23 -0500 To: Mark Kitchell , Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Roadblocks for license checks OKed In-Reply-To: <20011115222017.33332.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <00a501c16e19$7b953ba0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:20 PM 11/15/01, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Military trials, monitored lawyer-client meetings, >increasing searches (ok, that one is not 9-11 >related). You forgot a states-rights party's attorney general issuing an order to override a state's laws within that state (Oregon). Also not 9-11 related, but as heinous a crime as any of the above. Time to forget about CFC and send *all* my donations to the ACLU, I guess. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Nov 15 21:49:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAG2ncj25437 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:49:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA.meyerweb.net ([66.61.44.24]) by mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:49:16 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20011115212831.00a532f0@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: rmeyer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:30:01 -0500 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Roadblocks for license checks OKed In-Reply-To: <20011115222017.33332.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <00a501c16e19$7b953ba0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:20 PM 11/15/01 -0800, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Military trials, monitored lawyer-client meetings, >increasing searches (ok, that one is not 9-11 >related). > >This is all so f**ked up! What is happening to our >country? The Republican appointees on the Renquist court have done more to erode constitutional protections and civil liberties in this country than any other group in the history of the country, that's what. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 00:09:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fc2.capaccess.org (fc2.capaccess.org.199.200.151.IN-ADDR.ARPA [151.200.199.52] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAG59Oj27464 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 00:09:24 -0500 (EST) Message-id: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:12:03 -0500 Subject: Re: RE: Roadblocks for license checks OKed To: RichH@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Because there is no "probable cause" to believe that a particular biker/driver has committed a crime. How would you like random stops and searches of anyone for any--or no--reason? I'm sure it would turn up some criminals (always a convenient rationale), but that's not legal. Yet. Tune in on the Supremes next week. Police State? "It Can't Happen Here." --garcia RichH@XXXXXX writes: >Excuse my squidliness, but why are we so opposed to "unwarranted stop, >question and search methods >as a means of profiling bikers"? Granted I don't like stopping for no >reason. >I cringe more when I hear they are actively trying to stop excessive >speeding by motorcyclists. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 01:33:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from wbln0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org [138.220.29.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAG6XDj28643 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org (unverified) by wbln0014.worldbank.org (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:07:07 -0500 Subject: Mark Walker is Out of the Office From: Mwalker3@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:04:23 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 11/16/2001 01:07:06 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I will be out of the office starting 11/15/2001 and will not return until 12/03/2001. I will be on mission during this period and will reply to messages whenever I have access to a dataport and Lotus Notes. For urgent matters that require immediate attention, please contact either Richard Mance ((1)(202) 458-1525), or Judith Ramsay-Williams ((1)(202) 458-5979), who will assist you. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 08:03:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f261.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.136]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGD3Dj04570 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 04:51:33 -0800 Received: from 24.4.252.26 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:51:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.4.252.26] From: "Jay Block" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: engagement rings Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:51:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2001 12:51:33.0257 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B526F90:01C16E9D] I like the idea of a VW engagement ring. It is big enough to impress everyone and it won't be hard to find your fiance at a party with a car on her finger. Jay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 08:35:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ddlexchange.ddlomni.com ([204.245.128.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGDZcj05105 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from jstrang ([204.245.128.170]) by ddlexchange.ddlomni.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:23:42 -0500 From: "Jon Strang" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: CFC (was RE: Roadblocks...OKed) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:33:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011115205858.00aa3870@mail.9netave.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2001 13:23:42.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9280A70:01C16EA1] I hate to get political on the list, but if I'd recommend anyone who gives money to the CFC carefully read the list of "charities" that recieve the money. Anyone, and I mean anyone, will find that they are supporting at least one, and usually very, very many, of organizations that they have deep philosophical disagreements with. The military really encourages its members to give to the CFC. Back in the day, I read the pamphlet that comes with the box of forms for everyone to fill out. I found that we were funding organizations that actively tried to oppose our operations (e.g. we've hosed them off of ships/subs at various times). And many of the organizations set up fronts to increase the percentage of funds they get (i.e. the XYZ charity, the XYZ legal fund, the XYZ scholarship fund, the XYZ you get the idea fund). I encouraged everyone to read the pamphlet, and fill in the four or five digit codes of a few of their favorite charities on the list vice giving the money across the board. That way, you can target your money to charities that have an agenda you agree with *and* that actually use the money for the cause (don't have high expense ratios). M/C content: Dino oil is better than synthetic. Gun laws suck. Shooting cans of synthetic oil is fun. I'd rather get chained up than get the shaft. --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > -----Original Message----- > > Time to forget about CFC and send *all* my donations to the > ACLU, I guess. > > -- Larry > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 09:10:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13803.mail.yahoo.com (web13803.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAGEAwj05655 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:10:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011116141057.90304.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 06:10:57 PST Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 06:10:57 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Roadblocks for license checks OKed To: Larry Larson , Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011115205858.00aa3870@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Who can forget that congress would not even allow the district of columbia to count votes relating to medical mary jane..... --- Larry Larson wrote: > At 05:20 PM 11/15/01, Mark Kitchell wrote: > >Military trials, monitored lawyer-client meetings, > >increasing searches (ok, that one is not 9-11 > >related). > > You forgot a states-rights party's attorney general > issuing an > order to override a state's laws within that state > (Oregon). > Also not 9-11 related, but as heinous a crime as any > of the > above. > > Time to forget about CFC and send *all* my donations > to the > ACLU, I guess. > > -- Larry > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 09:13:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13807.mail.yahoo.com (web13807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAGEDfj05730 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:13:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011116141340.53033.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 06:13:40 PST Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 06:13:40 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: RE: Roadblocks for license checks OKed To: garcia oliver , RichH@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good point. My question is, why are the Republicans, who are supposedly for individual rights, the ones passing and supporting these kinds of laws? --- garcia oliver wrote: > Because there is no "probable cause" to believe that > a particular > biker/driver has committed a crime. How would you > like random stops and > searches of anyone for any--or no--reason? I'm sure > it would turn up some > criminals (always a convenient rationale), but > that's not legal. Yet. > Tune in on the Supremes next week. > > Police State? "It Can't Happen Here." > > --garcia > > > RichH@XXXXXX writes: > >Excuse my squidliness, but why are we so opposed to > "unwarranted stop, > >question and search methods > >as a means of profiling bikers"? Granted I don't > like stopping for no > >reason. > >I cringe more when I hear they are actively trying > to stop excessive > >speeding by motorcyclists. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 09:16:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGEGpj05809 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-185-072.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.185.72] helo=pltrgyst.xhost.org) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 164jnU-0004yA-00; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 06:16:48 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011116090853.00aa61c0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:16:06 -0500 To: "Jon Strang" , "dc-cycles list" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: CFC (was RE: Roadblocks...OKed) In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011115205858.00aa3870@mail.9netave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:33 AM 11/16/01, Jon Strang wrote: >I hate to get political on the list, but if I'd recommend anyone who gives >money to the CFC carefully read the list of "charities" that recieve the >money. That's exactly why I said what I did, Jon. I haven't given to CFC for as long as I've worked for the government, despite strong managerial pressure ("voluntary", my ass) to achieve 100% participation, etc. I even have a "Boycott CFC" sign with similar detailed advice to instead give directly to the charities of your choice on my office door at my DOC agency. The list over the years has included such gems as the Naval Academy Alumni Association -- pretty hard to find a less-needy group for "charitable" donations than that one, eh, unless it's the Harvard Alumni Association. For years they ran a scam concerning directing your donation to the CFC charity of your choice -- I say scam, because your designation changed nothing. They simply earmarked the first X dollars of the money that charity was going to receive anyway as being from you. Supposedly they changed that last year, but while CFC administration's heart may be in the right place, their brains clearly can't distinguish between non-political, deserving charities that help those in need, and general non-profits looking for a handout. I have yet to notice a moto org in their catalog, though. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 09:28:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14603.mail.yahoo.com (web14603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAGESrj06010 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:28:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011116142851.68211.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 06:28:51 PST Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 06:28:51 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: RE: Roadblocks for license checks OKed To: garcia oliver , RichH@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii random roadblcoks near the borders of our country to catch potential immigration law violators have been used for years. not that i'm agreeing with the decision not to hear the case (i don't), but it didn't just come outta nowhere. and these are roadblocks, not random pull-overs. there is almost always an opportunity to avoid them, i.e., u-turn, left turn, right turn. and, as to who appointed those in the Court that are more responsible for the erosion of our rights in these areas, i think there would be some surprises. name the "right" and i'll give you the culprits.... --- garcia oliver wrote: > Because there is no "probable cause" to believe that a > particular > biker/driver has committed a crime. How would you like > random stops and > searches of anyone for any--or no--reason? I'm sure it > would turn up some > criminals (always a convenient rationale), but that's not > legal. Yet. > Tune in on the Supremes next week. > > Police State? "It Can't Happen Here." > > --garcia > > > RichH@XXXXXX writes: > >Excuse my squidliness, but why are we so opposed to > "unwarranted stop, > >question and search methods > >as a means of profiling bikers"? Granted I don't like > stopping for no > >reason. > >I cringe more when I hear they are actively trying to > stop excessive > >speeding by motorcyclists. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 09:31:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com (mail.mckissackdc.com [209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGEUuj06086 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:30:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Roadblocks for license checks OKed Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:30:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Pull a U-turn and see if they don't become a random pull over. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 9:29 AM To: garcia oliver; Rich Hall Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Roadblocks for license checks OKed random roadblcoks near the borders of our country to catch potential immigration law violators have been used for years. not that i'm agreeing with the decision not to hear the case (i don't), but it didn't just come outta nowhere. and these are roadblocks, not random pull-overs. there is almost always an opportunity to avoid them, i.e., u-turn, left turn, right turn. and, as to who appointed those in the Court that are more responsible for the erosion of our rights in these areas, i think there would be some surprises. name the "right" and i'll give you the culprits.... --- garcia oliver wrote: > Because there is no "probable cause" to believe that a > particular > biker/driver has committed a crime. How would you like > random stops and > searches of anyone for any--or no--reason? I'm sure it > would turn up some > criminals (always a convenient rationale), but that's not > legal. Yet. > Tune in on the Supremes next week. > > Police State? "It Can't Happen Here." > > --garcia > > > RichH@XXXXXX writes: > >Excuse my squidliness, but why are we so opposed to > "unwarranted stop, > >question and search methods > >as a means of profiling bikers"? Granted I don't like > stopping for no > >reason. > >I cringe more when I hear they are actively trying to > stop excessive > >speeding by motorcyclists. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 09:40:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGEeVj06256 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:40:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:35:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200111160935.AA131072666@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Rob Winters Subject: Re: Roadblocks for license checks OKed X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Rob Winters >Are a high percentage of riders unlicensed? Source for that info? > >Is "high" 80% or 8%, I wonder? 21 percent of operators in fatal crashes, according to a 1995 NHTSA report http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/ncsa/FactPrev/mcyfacts.html More than one out of five motorcycle operators (21 percent) involved in fatal crashes in 1995 were operating the vehicle with an invalid license at the time of the collision, while only 12 percent of drivers of passenger vehicles in fatal crashes did not have a valid license. Motorcycle operators involved in fatal traffic crashes were nearly twice as likely as passenger vehicle drivers to have a previous license suspension or revocation (24 percent and 13 percent, respectively). Almost 7 percent of the motorcycle operators involved in fatal crashes in 1995 had at least one previous conviction for driving while intoxicated on their driver records, compared to less than 4 percent of passenger car drivers. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 09:54:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGEsZj06543 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-139.patriot.net [209.249.180.139]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fAGEoVV29862; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:50:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3BF52636.8557F8EF@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:44:06 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: garcia oliver , RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Roadblocks for license checks OKed References: <20011116141340.53033.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > Good point. My question is, why are the Republicans, > who are supposedly for individual rights, the ones > passing and supporting these kinds of laws? > Because the "individual" the repubs wish to bestow "rights" on must be a born in the US adult male and white. All others, including the large segmnent of our population labeled female, are considered second class citizens. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 10:01:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14610.mail.yahoo.com (web14610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAGF1jj06724 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:01:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011116150144.75494.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:01:44 PST Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:01:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: RE: Roadblocks for license checks OKed To: Mark Kitchell , garcia oliver , RichH@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20011116141340.53033.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii where is this so-called "law"? if you want to blame anybody, blame the dayton, ohio police commissioner or some other in-charge lawman. this has nothing to do with republicans or democrats. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Good point. My question is, why are the Republicans, > who are supposedly for individual rights, the ones > passing and supporting these kinds of laws? > > > --- garcia oliver wrote: > > Because there is no "probable cause" to believe that > > a particular > > biker/driver has committed a crime. How would you > > like random stops and > > searches of anyone for any--or no--reason? I'm sure > > it would turn up some > > criminals (always a convenient rationale), but > > that's not legal. Yet. > > Tune in on the Supremes next week. > > > > Police State? "It Can't Happen Here." > > > > --garcia > > > > > > RichH@XXXXXX writes: > > >Excuse my squidliness, but why are we so opposed to > > "unwarranted stop, > > >question and search methods > > >as a means of profiling bikers"? Granted I don't > > like stopping for no > > >reason. > > >I cringe more when I hear they are actively trying > > to stop excessive > > >speeding by motorcyclists. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 10:08:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13802.mail.yahoo.com (web13802.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAGF86j06848 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:08:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011116150804.83018.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:08:04 PST Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:08:04 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: RE: Roadblocks for license checks OKed To: Tom Gimer , garcia oliver , RichH@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20011116150144.75494.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good point, I was not really referring to that law in Dayton (although I have a feeling the mayor there is a repub). I am talking about the supreme court (majority repub. appointed, right) accepting such laws. I am talking about AG Ashcroft and his recent decisions. I am talking about a Repub congress not allowing DC to count votes. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > where is this so-called "law"? > > if you want to blame anybody, blame the dayton, ohio > police > commissioner or some other in-charge lawman. > > this has nothing to do with republicans or > democrats. > > > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Good point. My question is, why are the > Republicans, > > who are supposedly for individual rights, the ones > > passing and supporting these kinds of laws? > > > > > > --- garcia oliver wrote: > > > Because there is no "probable cause" to believe > that > > > a particular > > > biker/driver has committed a crime. How would > you > > > like random stops and > > > searches of anyone for any--or no--reason? I'm > sure > > > it would turn up some > > > criminals (always a convenient rationale), but > > > that's not legal. Yet. > > > Tune in on the Supremes next week. > > > > > > Police State? "It Can't Happen Here." > > > > > > --garcia > > > > > > > > > RichH@XXXXXX writes: > > > >Excuse my squidliness, but why are we so > opposed to > > > "unwarranted stop, > > > >question and search methods > > > >as a means of profiling bikers"? Granted I > don't > > > like stopping for no > > > >reason. > > > >I cringe more when I hear they are actively > trying > > > to stop excessive > > > >speeding by motorcyclists. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 10:11:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from atlantic.va.grci.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [199.89.132.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGFBej06881 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from kkightlylt (dtd118.va.grci.com [198.22.152.118]) by atlantic.va.grci.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id fAGFBPS23796 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:11:25 -0500 From: "kkightly" To: Subject: Vulcan Virago etc Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:09:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c16eb0$a735b9a0$769816c6@va.grci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I've just had a conversation with the doctor and he is recommending a "different" riding style. I interpret this to mean riding position... ahem, anyway I am in the market for an older (90 - 91) Vulcan, Virago or the like. I appreciate any information any one runs into. Kurt 95 Kawi Concours From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 10:12:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGFCjj06956 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-116-80.s80.tnt10.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.116.80] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 164kfc-000048-00; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:12:44 -0500 Message-ID: <008a01c16eb0$b61c6c20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mark Kitchell" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20011116141340.53033.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RE: Roadblocks for license checks OKed Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:08:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Ah, Mark, now you've hit on the difference between statist conservatives and libertarians... Many conservatives are willing to hijack libertarian rhetoric, but only when it suits them and favors groups they approve of and want to court votes from. At least SCOTUS ruled against the indiscriminate use of mobile infrared scanning devices to see who was growing pot under lights inside a home. In that case SCOTUS said probable cause that a crime was being committed was required. SCOTUS has always had a lesser standard of probable cause for vehicle stops and searches than in homes or private property. With this ruling, citizens to think about what sort of "roadblock" style vehicle stops we're willing to tolerate for what seems to me to be marginal, at best, increases in public safety. It's up to states to regulate the police force. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" > Good point. My question is, why are the Republicans, > who are supposedly for individual rights, the ones > passing and supporting these kinds of laws? > > > --- garcia oliver wrote: > > Because there is no "probable cause" to believe that > > a particular > > biker/driver has committed a crime. How would you > > like random stops and > > searches of anyone for any--or no--reason? I'm sure > > it would turn up some > > criminals (always a convenient rationale), but > > that's not legal. Yet. > > Tune in on the Supremes next week. > > > > Police State? "It Can't Happen Here." > > > > --garcia > > > > > > RichH@XXXXXX writes: > > >Excuse my squidliness, but why are we so opposed to > > "unwarranted stop, > > >question and search methods > > >as a means of profiling bikers"? Granted I don't > > like stopping for no > > >reason. > > >I cringe more when I hear they are actively trying > > to stop excessive > > >speeding by motorcyclists. > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 10:13:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGFD3j06967 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:15:06 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666AE6B@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Forwardair Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:15:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Because this has been recommended as a cheap way to ship. Here's one guy's experience. For those interested, here's my experience with Forwardair tonight, as related to the purchaser of my ST1100 engine: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Well, just got back...what an ordeal. You have to bring it there and have it weighed, then they tell you how much it'll cost. Then you have to go get a money order, since they don't take cash, checks, or credit cards. 4 hours later, it's done, though not without considerable excitement: We got there and they weighed it. When the forklift guy took it off the scale (it weighed 308lbs, considerably more than I figured originally), he didn't put it on the forks properly and subsequently tossed it across the warehouse. It landed on it's side. Oil and antifreeze leaked out. The antifreeze is no surprise, since I'm sure there was some in the hoses and block that couldn't have been easily drained while the engine was upright. But the oil...I have no idea where oil could've come from. I drained it, but obviously there's still some in the engine in nooks and crannies. There was no way to check the engine over for damage while in the crate, and neither the freight company nor I had any tools available with which to tear the crate apart. I brought a crate and my creditcard...I didn't think I'd be doing any more construction. The straps held, but the engine slid forward a bit. I removed the lid with a screwdriver and retightened the straps, which had loosened slightly. Without a power screwdriver, it would've taken all night to dismantle the rest of the crate to check the engine. I built a good one, but it wasn't designed to survive being tossed end over end from 4-ft in the air. So...you could very well have damaged goods coming. I forced the supervisor to write up an incident report, so when it arrives, if there's a problem, there'll be no doubt as to who caused it. I noted the value of the engine at $2K on the invoice, so if it's damaged, let me know. I'll get the money from them and refund you. I'll be calling their central office tomorrow to let them know what happened. The super told me it should take about three days to get there; it's coming by truck. I'll let you know the total shipping costs tomorrow. The actual freight charge was $102.64, IIRC, plus the material for the crate. *Sigh* Time for bed. -- David Ryder The Motorcycle Academy http://www.motorcycleacademy.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 10:40:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11105.mail.yahoo.com (web11105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.152]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAGFeAj07448 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:40:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011116154006.49103.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:40:06 PST Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:40:06 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: New Shock Questions To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm doing some upgrades to my VTR over the winter, and one of the things I'd like to do is fit a better aftermarket rear shock. I'll be putting RaceTech gold valves and springs in the front forks and I want the rear end to be up to snuff as well. Does anyone know the whos/wheres/hows of getting a replacement shock from companies like WP, Showa, Ohlins ($!), etc.? Is there a way to find out if, for example, a certain CBR900rr shock would fit? (BTW, I've checked eBay with no real success.) Thanks for any advice. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 10:41:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGFfjj07496 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GMW00CFNGWLR8@XXXXXX> for DC-Cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:41:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GMW00501GVYQS@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:41:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GMW00490GVRJY@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:40:39 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:40:34 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: From the "Why didn't *I* think of that" Dept... To: mobacc Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <3BF53372.9CF9F69B@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <00d301c16e2f$671915a0$a155e2cf@micron> > mobacc wrote: > > Yes. As I was about ready to post on this -- > > MCN [that monthly tablet of truth to certain believers] embellishes its > "...got no results" with "The simplest thing to do is to put your > kickstand [or centerstand] down on one of the coil grooves . . .. That's > been fairly foolproof for us." I never had much luck with that, either. Either the light triggers or it doesn't. Sidestand, centerstand, using the starter, nada, zip, zing. I've run a few lights (when it was clear) when they wouldn't change. Probably get busted for it someday... Hork -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 10:43:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGFhrj07600 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:43:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GMW006GWH0YMF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:43:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GMW00701H0VEI@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:43:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GMW004JEH0FJY@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:43:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:43:21 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: To: "William J. Huson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3BF53419.90D16290@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20011115214351.21847.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> <3BF4617A.B5209986@XXXXXX> "William J. Huson" wrote: > The happy ending? Well, it's been 35 years and it ain't over yet. > Sounds like a good start. :) Hork (9 and counting) -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 10:46:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14601.mail.yahoo.com (web14601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAGFk6j07687 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:46:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011116154605.20315.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:46:05 PST Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:46:05 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: New Shock Questions To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20011116154006.49103.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii perhaps not what you're looking for, but... some of my riding buddies had suspension work done by a company called traxxion dynamics and they're very pleased i think this is a [relatively] local company --- Chris Weaver wrote: > I'm doing some upgrades to my VTR over the winter, and > one of the things I'd like to do is fit a better > aftermarket rear shock. I'll be putting RaceTech gold > valves and springs in the front forks and I want the > rear end to be up to snuff as well. > > Does anyone know the whos/wheres/hows of getting a > replacement shock from companies like WP, Showa, > Ohlins ($!), etc.? Is there a way to find out if, for > example, a certain CBR900rr shock would fit? (BTW, > I've checked eBay with no real success.) > > Thanks for any advice. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 10:53:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGFr9j07837 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GMW00K23H7CKI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:47:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GMW00901H6GJI@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:47:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GMW007ELH6CC0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:47:00 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:46:54 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Roadblocks for license checks OKed To: Larry Larson Cc: Mark Kitchell , Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list Message-id: <3BF534EE.FF05D621@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <00a501c16e19$7b953ba0$bb82fea9@palladio1> <4.3.2.7.2.20011115205858.00aa3870@XXXXXX> Larry Larson wrote: > Time to forget about CFC and send *all* my donations to the > ACLU, I guess. I saw yesterday that the ACLU was all bent out of shape over the military tribunal suggestion, although that would only apply to non-citizens (like OBL, ferinstance). Wish they'd concentrate on the rights of citizens first. And if the ACLU had *any* interest in defending the 2nd Amendment, they'd probably find all the other Amendments wouldn't be under such constant attack. My money goes to the NRA. :) -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 11:06:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGG6uj08124 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GMW00EEXI3A9F@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:06:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GMW00J01I37WA@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:06:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GMW00J3AI2KH3@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:06:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:06:14 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Vulcan Virago etc To: kkightly Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3BF53976.29ACD943@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <000f01c16eb0$a735b9a0$769816c6@va.grci.com> kkightly wrote: > > I've just had a conversation with the doctor and he is recommending a > "different" riding style. I interpret this to mean riding position... ahem, > anyway I am in the market for an older (90 - 91) Vulcan, Virago or the like. > I appreciate any information any one runs into. If your problem is wrists, then the doc might be right. If it's lower back related, going to a cruiser is gonna aggravate it more, I would think. Dang sorry, either way. I'm pretty happy with my Connies. Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 11:33:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGGXSj08558 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA21526 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:26:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:26:29 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Songs Of the Sausage Creature Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hunter S. Thompson on riding sportbikes. http://www.sowbug.org/cycle/sausage.html Hugh From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 11:38:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGGcOj08648 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:38:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GMW007LQJJ8WR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:37:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GMW00D01JJ5WD@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:37:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0GMW00ASQJIPSR@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:37:38 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:37:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Roadblocks for license checks OKed To: Mark Kitchell Cc: garcia oliver , RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3BF540CC.96DF61C@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20011116141340.53033.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Good point. My question is, why are the Republicans, > who are supposedly for individual rights, the ones > passing and supporting these kinds of laws? Because it's the very nature of government to always strive to increase it's power and influence. It's not just a Republican phenomenon. The Constitution was originally intended to keep the central government fairly weak. It was a good idea, but the Feds circumvented that anyway. We've always got to be on guard against losing further rights, especially right now, with all the sheep calling for the Government to "DO SOMETHING" to protect us from the big, bad terrorists . Hork From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 11:44:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([204.179.120.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGGisj08753 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id fAGGMmxN007993 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:22:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GMWJUP00.PC2 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:44:49 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GMWJUP00.O7R for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:44:49 -0800 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:44:33 -0500 Subject: Re: New Shock Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20011116154605.20315.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <367035FE-DAB1-11D5-80EA-003065B452D2@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) > perhaps not what you're looking for, but... > some of my riding buddies had suspension work done by a > company called traxxion dynamics and they're very pleased > > i think this is a [relatively] local company Traxxion is one of the "biggest" suspension shops in US Motorcycle racing. Traxxion is owned and operated by Max McAllister. Some people swear by Traxxion, others say they're not worth the money. YMMV. Roach has worked with them in the past, so you can consult him for his opinion. Also, former (lurking?) lister Brian McCoy also worked for them for several months. How much do you want to spend? If you've got the bones, pick up a Penske shock. They're American made, custom built, and are designed to be rebuilt. They're every bit as good as Ohlins. (Some people will say better...evidently, the Penske's are a lot lighter than the Ohlins stuff you and I can buy.) If you don't want to come off the cash for a Penske, Fox Twin-clickers are excellent shocks as well. While the Fox shocks don't have all the spiffy features or the fit & finish of the Penske's, they are a good quality shock that will offer significant ly better performance than your stock shock. (And cost significantly less.) I'm pretty sure that Speedwerks deals in both Fox and Penske products. Hope this helps! Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 12:48:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGHm8j09994 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:48:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pool-63.49.114.43.bltm.grid.net ([63.49.114.43] helo=cfoatty3) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 164n5z-0007Ss-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:48:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c16ec7$2fb4a640$2b72313f@cfoatty3> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: Subject: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:50:21 -0500 Organization: CF&O MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 While I now only practice plaintiff's personal injury law, I do try to stay up with the latest issues in other relevant areas of law. Here is an excerpt from the upcoming issue of Virginia Lawyers Weekly discussing the validity of a traffic checkpoint arrest where the driver made a legal U-turn to avoid the checkpoint. Read it and weep. Roy D. Turner, Esq. www.cfolaw.com TRAFFIC LAW Fast U-turn was sign of roadblock evasion By John D. Tuerck A man who tried to evade a traffic checkpoint by making an abrupt U-turn into a driveway was properly convicted of driving after being declared an habitual offender, the Court of Appeals of Virginia has ruled. The man contended that the arresting officer lacked the requisite suspicion of criminal activity. Consistent with Virginia case law, the man argued that turning into the driveway was nothing more than a legal driving maneuver. The court disagreed, pointing to a host of facts that, in its view, justified the stop. "Although [the defendant's] turn into the driveway was intrinsically lawful," the court said, "the circumstances surrounding the turn were suspicious." The case is Lovelace v. Commonwealth of Virginia (VLW 001-7-586). Judge Jere M.H. Willis Jr. wrote the eight-page opinion for the court. Read the story in the November 19 issue of Virginia Lawyers Weekly. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 12:54:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAGHscj10079 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:54:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011116175434.83035.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:54:34 PST Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:54:34 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: From the "Why didn't *I* think of that" Dept... To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3BF53372.9CF9F69B@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is it better to pull in the center of the lane or directly over the lines (the ones they cut to lay in the sensor wires)? I always thought it best to stop in the center of the little box that the wires make, then again it might be better to be directly over a wire. Anyone know for sure? I couldn't trigger a light a couple of weeks ago. Tried the kickstand and the starter motor (shut the bike off and restarted it.) Luckily a car pulled behind me, I moved way forward and he did also, setting off the sensor. > > I never had much luck with that, either. Either the > light triggers > or it doesn't. Sidestand, centerstand, using the > starter, nada, zip, > zing. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 13:06:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14006.mail.yahoo.com (web14006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAGI6uj10355 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:06:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011116180655.87055.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.25] by web14006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:06:55 PST Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:06:55 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: From the "Why didn't *I* think of that" Dept... To: stephen cutchins , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20011116175434.83035.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If there are 3 cut lines running the same direction as traffic, stop with your tires on top of the center cut line. Works for me. Leon. --- stephen cutchins wrote: > Is it better to pull in the center of the lane or > directly over the lines (the ones they cut to lay in > the sensor wires)? I always thought it best to stop > in the center of the little box that the wires make, > then again it might be better to be directly over a > wire. Anyone know for sure? > > I couldn't trigger a light a couple of weeks ago. > Tried the kickstand and the starter motor (shut the > bike off and restarted it.) Luckily a car pulled > behind me, I moved way forward and he did also, > setting off the sensor. > > > > > I never had much luck with that, either. Either > the > > light triggers > > or it doesn't. Sidestand, centerstand, using the > > starter, nada, zip, > > zing. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 14:11:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGJBnj11447 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id fAGJBmB30179 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:11:48 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:09:40 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <000f01c16ec7$2fb4a640$2b72313f@cfoatty3> In-Reply-To: <000f01c16ec7$2fb4a640$2b72313f@cfoatty3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01111614094000.23646@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit For what it's worth, the City of Alexandria has been doing sobriety checkpoints/roadblocks for years (at least as long as I've been driving). I've also gone through one on 14th street where it becomes 395 as you leave the District on more than one occasion. While I'm not a big fan of the police under most circumstances (rarely having a good encounter with one, even though I'm a law abiding citizen outside minor traffic violations), I don't see the downside to these checkpoints. The police have always been nice (even when I'm playing the role of the "reckless hooligan biker") and it's never more than a minor inconvenience to stop for 30 seconds. The upside is that it does catch drunk and unlicenced motorists... something to which I'm not opposed. And it does work. Having lived on Duke St for anumber of years, I got to watch the checkpoints when they were near my Apt building... many of the roadside sobriety tests didn't go so well. Maybe I'm just not as paranoid as I once was, but does this honestly lead to anything more than safer roads? While I understand everyone had a right to privacy, what about my right to safety especially as a motorcyclist? As I mentioned, Alexandria has been doing these for years - and it hasn't lead to anything but getting drunks and bad drivers off the road. Now if we could KEEP them off the roads, it'd be even better. Lenient sentancing, however, is a different argument :) . - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 15:57:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGKvRj13193 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (dhcp-2.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.242]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAGKvGG92534 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:57:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011116151617.03e398d8@mail.annapurna.com> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:55:06 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: OT: Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case In-Reply-To: <01111614094000.23646@firewall.dcc-racing.org> References: <000f01c16ec7$2fb4a640$2b72313f@cfoatty3> <000f01c16ec7$2fb4a640$2b72313f@cfoatty3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:09 PM 11/16/2001, Brian Roach wrote: >Maybe I'm just not as paranoid as I once was, but does this honestly lead to >anything more than safer roads? While I understand everyone had a right to >privacy, what about my right to safety especially as a motorcyclist? I think the concern is that privacy and civil liberties are very fragile things, and precedents that set them aside are fuel for precedents that set them aside a little more, and before you know it, we are all very *safe* indeed, because the police find a much higher percentage of criminals since that new policy to randomly search peoples' homes at 3am, and they're *very* polite and we offer them coffee, and it only takes a few minutes, and and it seems a *minor* inconvenience for all the extra protection and *safety* we're getting, so so so I don't see what the *big deal* is, or or why someone would object unless they have something to hide (like those nasty people down the street that we reported and got sent to the justice tribunal), and and and we all *feel* so much safer, and and and it's FOR THE CHILDREN, THINK of the CHILDREN!!! ... Sorry; popped a breaker. If you give up freedom for safety, you will ultimately end up with neither. Yeah yeah, driving's a privilege, blah blah. I guess "probable cause" was a privilege too, because it's being revoked; slip-sliding away. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 16:23:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGLNuj13588 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-185-072.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.185.72] helo=pltrgyst.xhost.org) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 164qSn-0005A1-00; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:23:53 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011116161930.00aa3560@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:23:15 -0500 To: Rob Winters , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: OT: Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011116151617.03e398d8@mail.annapurna.com> References: <01111614094000.23646@firewall.dcc-racing.org> <000f01c16ec7$2fb4a640$2b72313f@cfoatty3> <000f01c16ec7$2fb4a640$2b72313f@cfoatty3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:55 PM 11/16/01, Rob Winters wrote: ... and and and it's FOR THE CHILDREN, THINK of the CHILDREN!!! Aah, yes -- those people who are so aghast when I maintain that children are an expendable, renewable resource, and that society has a much greater investment in adults. Put 'em all on 50cc bikes at age two, and let natural selection take its course (sorta like we're doing now with litre sportbikes and those over 16). -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 16:28:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGLS6j13664 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-185-072.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.185.72] helo=pltrgyst.xhost.org) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 164qWo-0003MR-00; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:28:02 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011116162447.00adc810@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:27:29 -0500 To: "William J. Huson" , Mark Kitchell From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Roadblocks for license checks OKed Cc: garcia oliver , RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3BF52636.8557F8EF@patriot.net> References: <20011116141340.53033.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:44 AM 11/16/01, William J. Huson wrote: >Because the "individual" the repubs wish to bestow "rights" on must be a >born in the US adult male and white. Don't forget the required degree from an Ivy League school or an acceptable law school. I have no party affiliation, but for the life of me, I cannot understand how any sane and logical woman could be a Republican. "Everyone is born equal, but some are more equal than others." -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 16:28:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11301.mail.yahoo.com (web11301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.204]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAGLSij13677 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:28:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011116212843.80591.qmail@web11301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.95.69.30] by web11301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:28:43 PST Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:28:43 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Speeding; Brake Break-in To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 1) Speeding ticket: As you may recall from my tale of woe, speeding in Virginia either 20 mph over the limit or over 80 mph regardless of the limit is "reckless driving," a class I misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $2500 and a year in jail. After consulting with a lawyer in Caroline County, VA (where I got the ticket, 83mph/65 mph zone on I-95), I decided to represent myself given my heretofore clean driving record (and the fact that I used to be a prosecutor and am not afraid to stand up in a courtroom). The result: I was given the "opportunity" to attend driving school, after which the criminal charge will be dismissed and a traffic ticket written for 79mph/65 mph zone ($42 fine). I wish I could credit my courtroom skills and Perry Mason-like demeanor for the result, but it was the same for all the others with a clean driving record who were charged with speeds of 85 mph or less. But Beware . . . the young woman who was charged with driving 95mph/65 mph zone had her license suspended for 120 days, was fined $500, and was given a *suspended* JAIL sentence of 10 days. Should anyone end up in trouble in Caroline County, I heartily recommend the services of Mr. Sasser of Jarrell, Hicks & Sasser, P.C., (540) 582-5300. He hesitate to offer his advice that I represent myself(or charge for it), though it basically screwed him out of the $400 fee I would have otherwise paid him. Let's hear it for the good lawyers! 2) I just had new rear brake pads put on my bike. What is the best way to break them in? What should I absolutely, positively NOT do? Thanks. 3) Snow Whi . . . wait, we've already heard this one a couple of times. Aaron '98 T509 Speed Triple (green, of course) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 16:56:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com (mail.mckissackdc.com [209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGLuBj14080 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:55:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Speeding; Brake Break-in Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:55:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I still remember the $400 that lawyer cost me when I was 16 and charged with 75 in a 45 in a car. My parents made me get one, that was my last one. That was the only time I didn't have the charges lowered or dropped in about ~8 appearances in traffic court. I highly recommend getting a lawyer everytime, money well spent. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron [mailto:jarvis22201@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 4:29 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Speeding; Brake Break-in 1) Speeding ticket: As you may recall from my tale of woe, speeding in Virginia either 20 mph over the limit or over 80 mph regardless of the limit is "reckless driving," a class I misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $2500 and a year in jail. After consulting with a lawyer in Caroline County, VA (where I got the ticket, 83mph/65 mph zone on I-95), I decided to represent myself given my heretofore clean driving record (and the fact that I used to be a prosecutor and am not afraid to stand up in a courtroom). The result: I was given the "opportunity" to attend driving school, after which the criminal charge will be dismissed and a traffic ticket written for 79mph/65 mph zone ($42 fine). I wish I could credit my courtroom skills and Perry Mason-like demeanor for the result, but it was the same for all the others with a clean driving record who were charged with speeds of 85 mph or less. But Beware . . . the young woman who was charged with driving 95mph/65 mph zone had her license suspended for 120 days, was fined $500, and was given a *suspended* JAIL sentence of 10 days. Should anyone end up in trouble in Caroline County, I heartily recommend the services of Mr. Sasser of Jarrell, Hicks & Sasser, P.C., (540) 582-5300. He hesitate to offer his advice that I represent myself(or charge for it), though it basically screwed him out of the $400 fee I would have otherwise paid him. Let's hear it for the good lawyers! 2) I just had new rear brake pads put on my bike. What is the best way to break them in? What should I absolutely, positively NOT do? Thanks. 3) Snow Whi . . . wait, we've already heard this one a couple of times. Aaron '98 T509 Speed Triple (green, of course) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 17:54:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAGMsbj14940 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:54:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 2.12d.7a8f972 (4250) for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:54:19 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <12d.7a8f972.2926f31b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:54:19 EST Subject: Re: Roadblocks for license checks OKed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 11/16/2001 4:42:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes: > Don't forget the required degree from an Ivy League school or an acceptable > law school. You folks keep forgetting RICH as in really RICH. When Republicans are in office wealth moves from the lower income groups UP When Democrats are in office wealth moves DOWN to us And that is simply history. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 20:38:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAH1c2j17428 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p41.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.41]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19142; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:36:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Gary Foreman'" , "'Genna Melamed'" , , Cc: "DC Cycles List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Apologies Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:37:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c16f08$607fe320$2984c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: High I'd like to apologize to DCC and anyone else receiving this for my computer getting infected & sending out virus(es). On 11/2, I got back from a 2 week business trip to MA. Thinking I'd catch up on some mail, I logged on & cleared out the junk... all was fine. The next day, however, after I sent a few mails, my desktop started exhibiting strange behavior & I got 3 mails from Antivirus agents. I found an infected email attachment in my wife's (cactus@XXXXXX) inbox. Sure enough, it was from a friend she was expecting a resume from. When I finally managed to disinfect the box, some of the system files were corrupted, so I had to an OS reinstall. On the up side, I now have some really cool anti virus software, and while she was still feeling a bit guilty, I managed to convince her that the Cobra repair woes made it prohibitively cost effective, and I could use the extra utility of the 01 Lightning to far better effect, since I could haul stuff, tow the bike to the track (never mind I don't have a trailer) and she always hated the Cobra seat belts. Again, Apologies for the virus(es), Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 22:23:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAH3N4j18925 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.100.2] ([216.174.54.237]) by smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GMXDE000.F08 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:22:48 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:22:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case From: Randy or Julie Moran To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c16ec7$2fb4a640$2b72313f@cfoatty3> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ok. I've read the story. Why should I be weeping? The cops arrested some stupid twinky for an unnamed offense after he tried to give them the slip by u-turning in a driveway in full view of the cops at the checkpoint (WTF!). Though they don't go into it in the article, apparently he was guilty of something several times and must have been driving on a suspended license. See the headline, "Fast U-turn was sign of roadblock evasion?" That says it all. The cop did the right thing and so did the court. Here's what I think. If you're trying to screw the system, and, thereby, all who are generally law-abiding, have the common decency to quit the whining when you're caught. And this whole, "He that gives up basic freedom for a little security blah, blah, blah" is getting tired as hell. I say, "He that is a complete fucking dipshit deserves a good ass beating on the side of the road." RPM on 11.16.2001 12:50 PM, Roy D. Turner, Esq. at turnerr@XXXXXX wrote: > While I now only practice plaintiff's personal injury law, I do try to stay > up with the latest issues in other relevant areas of law. Here is an > excerpt from the upcoming issue of Virginia Lawyers Weekly discussing the > validity of a traffic checkpoint arrest where the driver made a legal U-turn > to avoid the checkpoint. Read it and weep. > > Roy D. Turner, Esq. > www.cfolaw.com > > TRAFFIC LAW > Fast U-turn was sign of roadblock evasion > By John D. Tuerck > > A man who tried to evade a traffic checkpoint by making an abrupt U-turn > into a driveway was properly convicted of driving after being declared an > habitual offender, the Court of Appeals of Virginia has ruled. > > The man contended that the arresting officer lacked the requisite suspicion > of criminal activity. Consistent with Virginia case law, the man argued that > turning into the driveway was nothing more than a legal driving maneuver. > > The court disagreed, pointing to a host of facts that, in its view, > justified the stop. "Although [the defendant's] turn into the driveway was > intrinsically lawful," the court said, "the circumstances surrounding the > turn were suspicious." > > The case is Lovelace v. Commonwealth of Virginia (VLW 001-7-586). Judge Jere > M.H. Willis Jr. wrote the eight-page opinion for the court. > > Read the story in the November 19 issue of Virginia Lawyers Weekly. From dc-cycles-request Fri Nov 16 23:16:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAH4Gwj19759 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA.meyerweb.net ([66.61.44.24]) by mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:16:24 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20011116231008.02d85b50@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: rmeyer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:14:17 -0500 To: roach@XXXXXX, From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case In-Reply-To: <01111614094000.23646@firewall.dcc-racing.org> References: <000f01c16ec7$2fb4a640$2b72313f@cfoatty3> <000f01c16ec7$2fb4a640$2b72313f@cfoatty3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Yesterday it was roadblocks for drunk drivers. Today it's roadblocks for unlicensed drivers. Maybe tomorrow it's roadblocks to check for any warrants or unpaid traffic tickets. Or unpaid property tax, child support payments, or alimony. Maybe they should stop every car in the carpool lanes to make sure there are at least two occupants? Where's the "reasonable" limit? The constitution says no searches without probable cause. And it says it in plain English. But the Renquist court never met a police department it didn't like, or a right that couldn't be infringed whenever the government has a "compelling" interest. Bob At 02:09 PM 11/16/01 -0500, Brian Roach wrote: >For what it's worth, the City of Alexandria has been doing sobriety >checkpoints/roadblocks for years (at least as long as I've been driving). >I've also gone through one on 14th street where it becomes 395 as you leave >the District on more than one occasion. > >While I'm not a big fan of the police under most circumstances (rarely having >a good encounter with one, even though I'm a law abiding citizen outside >minor traffic violations), I don't see the downside to these checkpoints. >The police have always been nice (even when I'm playing the role of the >"reckless hooligan biker") and it's never more than a minor inconvenience to >stop for 30 seconds. The upside is that it does catch drunk and unlicenced >motorists... something to which I'm not opposed. And it does work. Having >lived on Duke St for anumber of years, I got to watch the checkpoints when >they were near my Apt building... many of the roadside sobriety tests didn't >go so well. > >Maybe I'm just not as paranoid as I once was, but does this honestly lead to >anything more than safer roads? While I understand everyone had a right to >privacy, what about my right to safety especially as a motorcyclist? As I >mentioned, Alexandria has been doing these for years - and it hasn't lead to >anything but getting drunks and bad drivers off the road. Now if we could >KEEP them off the roads, it'd be even better. Lenient sentancing, however, is >a different argument :) . > >- Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 17 01:08:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAH68Cj21333 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:08:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id fAH68BB31313 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:08:11 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:06:02 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <000f01c16ec7$2fb4a640$2b72313f@cfoatty3> <5.1.0.14.0.20011116231008.02d85b50@pop-server.cox.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011116231008.02d85b50@pop-server.cox.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01111701060204.23646@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 16 November 2001 23:14, Bob Meyer wrote: > Yesterday it was roadblocks for drunk drivers. Today it's roadblocks for > unlicensed drivers. Maybe tomorrow it's roadblocks to check for any > warrants or unpaid traffic tickets. Or unpaid property tax, child support > payments, or alimony. Maybe they should stop every car in the carpool > lanes to make sure there are at least two occupants? Where's the > "reasonable" limit? Let me rephrase my point: 12 years ago, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid licence 10 years ago, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid licence 8 years ago, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid licence ... 4 years ago, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid licence This year, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid licence How long, exactly, before the shadow forces start demanding that all people submit to DNA tests to cross the street? :) I'm not trying to be a smart ass (ok, so maybe I don't have to try...), I'm just pointing out that as so far, none of the conspiracy theories have born fruit. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 17 07:30:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14606.mail.yahoo.com (web14606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAHCU1j29433 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 07:30:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011117123000.91302.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.42.33] by web14606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 04:30:00 PST Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 04:30:00 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case To: Bob Meyer , roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011116231008.02d85b50@pop-server.cox.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bob Meyer wrote: > Yesterday it was roadblocks for drunk drivers. Today > it's roadblocks for unlicensed drivers. Maybe tomorrow > it's roadblocks to check for any warrants or unpaid > traffic tickets. Or unpaid property tax, child support > payments, or alimony. Maybe they should stop every car > in the carpool lanes to make sure there are at least two > occupants? Where's the "reasonable" limit? > > The constitution says no searches without probable cause. > And it says it in plain English. first, "probably cause," having no definition in the constitution (or in the dictionary at the time), was certainly not "plain english" in the late 1700s. probable cause is a concept that has evolved over time, with the help of the courts and the Court. second, we're clearly not talking about an unreasonable "search" here. > But the Renquist court never met a police department it > didn't like, or a right that couldn't be infringed > whenever the government has a "compelling" interest. now i'm getting confused. which case are we talking about? and, just to set the record straight (and please correct me if i'm wrong--i'm going on memory here), when the government actually has a compelling interest (i.e., when a constitutional right is involved), the solution must be narrowly tailored so that it infringes as little as possible on that right...so there are safeguards. nobody seems to be talking about the various agencies and courts involved in this matter before the supreme court decided not to hear the case. that makes no sense at all to me. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 17 09:33:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10508.mail.yahoo.com (web10508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.158]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAHEXwj01222 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:33:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011117143357.5189.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.116.55] by web10508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 06:33:57 PST Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 06:33:57 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20011117123000.91302.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bob Meyer wrote: > Maybe tomorrow it's roadblocks > to check for any > warrants or unpaid traffic tickets. That is done while you are still moving in traffic. Your tag is run through VCIN and NCIC while you are still travelling. No need to stop you. > Or unpaid > property tax That is done as well. As you exit the Dulles Toll rd. you may notice a Trooper standing there. That is one of the things he is looking for. Some local depts. also occaisonally post an officer at intersections to eyeball cars for new stickers. > Maybe they should stop every > car in the carpool > lanes to make sure there are at least two occupants? Done. Troopers post themselves in certain places at the beginning of morning and evening rush hour just for that purpose. You don't need to stop the cars for that though. Just look as they pass. > Where's the > "reasonable" limit? > > The constitution says no searches without probable > cause. And it says it > in plain English. Where is that being violated? A stop is not a search. If I drive by a street corner, and some crack dealer takes off running at the sight of me, should I assume he suddenly felt the urge for exercise and is merely jogging. That is reasonable suspicion, which is all that is needed for a stop. Hhhmmm, looks like we are already doing all that you feared. I guess it is time for you to move to some country that gives you more freedoms. Let me know when you find one. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 17 09:36:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAHEaCj01307 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:36:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-47-211.s465.tnt4.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.47.211] helo=66.44.47.211) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 1656Zn-0002a2-00; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:36:11 -0500 Message-ID: <3BF67746.484F@starpower.net> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:42:15 -0500 From: Paul Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SP32599 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case References: <20011117123000.91302.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > > nobody seems to be talking about the various agencies and > courts involved in this matter before the supreme court > decided not to hear the case. that makes no sense at all > to me. > > -- > tg > Tom's point is well taken. The Chief of Police works for the Mayor of Dayton and the city council and is subject to the laws of Ohio. By taking a pass the Court is saying this is primarily a local/state matter by letting the Ohio Supreme Court ruling stand. Presumably if the citizens of Dayton, (or Alexandria, or Ohio, or Virginia) are so outraged by this practice, there are political devices available to them to put a stop to it. The Court says there's no federal constitutional issue here. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 17 09:49:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13805.mail.yahoo.com (web13805.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAHEnmj01455 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:49:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011117144944.27003.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.87.148] by web13805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 06:49:44 PST Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 06:49:44 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case To: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01111701060204.23646@firewall.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brian, what about the Ohio checkpoints for drugs? A *minor* step up from sobriety....... --- Brian Roach wrote: > On Friday 16 November 2001 23:14, Bob Meyer wrote: > > Yesterday it was roadblocks for drunk drivers. > Today it's roadblocks for > > unlicensed drivers. Maybe tomorrow it's > roadblocks to check for any > > warrants or unpaid traffic tickets. Or unpaid > property tax, child support > > payments, or alimony. Maybe they should stop > every car in the carpool > > lanes to make sure there are at least two > occupants? Where's the > > "reasonable" limit? > > Let me rephrase my point: > > 12 years ago, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid > licence > 10 years ago, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid > licence > 8 years ago, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid > licence > ... > 4 years ago, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid > licence > This year, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid > licence > > How long, exactly, before the shadow forces start > demanding that all people > submit to DNA tests to cross the street? :) I'm not > trying to be a smart ass > (ok, so maybe I don't have to try...), I'm just > pointing out that as so far, > none of the conspiracy theories have born fruit. > > - Roach ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 17 10:15:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAHFFOj01927 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 10:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAHFFFG96555 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 10:15:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011117094659.03d1b008@mail.annapurna.com> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 10:12:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case In-Reply-To: <20011117123000.91302.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011116231008.02d85b50@pop-server.cox.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:30 AM 11/17/2001, Tom Gimer wrote: >first, "probably cause," having no definition in the >constitution (or in the dictionary at the time), was >certainly not "plain english" in the late 1700s. probable >cause is a concept that has evolved over time, with the >help of the courts and the Court. second, we're clearly >not talking about an unreasonable "search" here. I sit and watch CNN, and I see these reporters trying to negotiate the streets of some petty dictatorship du jour, and they're stopped every six blocks by some guy with a gun wanting to see their papers. I used to think "Those poor bastards; I'm glad I live in a free country". Now, all I can really claim is "I can make much better time here, because the checkpoints are much less frequent". Sad state of affairs. U.S. Constitution: Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. A nice write-up on the legal history of defining "probable cause": If you want to read about this case, here's a URL: http://www.roadblock.org/statecases/vacase.htm The case lost on appeal. The hairsplitting going on in Virginia now is that: (a) If you see a roadblock, and you don't want to go through it (this being a "free country" and all), and you turn on to a dead-end side street to make a legal U turn, the police may not chase you. (b) If you see the same roadblock, and you turn into a gas station to make a legal U turn, the police may chase you. So, don't tell me you rights aren't being withered away a little at a time. You're just not paying attention. This is from the dissenting opinion from the losing appeal: --- In Murphy v. Commonwealth, 9 Va. App. 139, 384 S.E.2d 125 (1989), we specifically ruled that a motorist may not be stopped simply because he or she engages in a lawful driving maneuver to avoid a roadblock. See id. at 143-46, 384 S.E.2d at 127-29. In making that ruling, we noted the following: In this case, [the police officer] stopped [the motorist] after the officer saw him make a legal right turn onto a dead end street approximately 350 feet from a police roadblock. Officer Katz testified that he was acting as the "chase car" and that his role was to go after vehicles which turned to avoid the roadblock. . . . Katz further testified that he noted nothing unusual or suspicious about [the] vehicle or the operation of it, except for the fact that it turned prior to reaching the roadblock. While [the motorist's] turn onto the dead end street may have justified a "hunch" that the driver might be in violation of the traffic laws or might be involved in criminal activity, a legal turn into an existing roadway prior to a checkpoint, standing alone, does not warrant reasonable suspicion that the operator is involved in criminal activity. Under the government's view, every citizen who turned onto a road within sight of a checkpoint, for whatever legitimate reason, would be subject to an investigative detention. This result we cannot sanction. Id. (footnote omitted). In the case before us, Roy Bass made a lawful turn into a service station lot. The police officer testified that, prior to stopping Bass, he witnessed no unlawful activity by Bass. The officer stopped Bass solely because he believed Bass was avoiding the checkpoint. The similarity of those facts to the circumstances in Murphy is unmistakable. The Commonwealth merely seeks to reargue the issue decided in Murphy and have the Court adopt a view that we expressly rejected. --- /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 17 11:29:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14606.mail.yahoo.com (web14606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAHGToj02945 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:29:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011117162949.13250.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.42.33] by web14606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 08:29:49 PST Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 08:29:49 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case To: Rob Winters , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011117094659.03d1b008@mail.annapurna.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Rob Winters wrote: > At 07:30 AM 11/17/2001, Tom Gimer wrote: > >first, "probably cause," having no definition in the > >constitution (or in the dictionary at the time), was > >certainly not "plain english" in the late 1700s. > probable > >cause is a concept that has evolved over time, with the > >help of the courts and the Court. second, we're clearly > >not talking about an unreasonable "search" here. > > I sit and watch CNN, and I see these reporters trying to > negotiate the streets of some petty dictatorship du jour, > and they're stopped every six blocks by some guy with a > gun wanting to see their papers. I used to think > "Those poor bastards; I'm glad I live in a free country". > Now, all I can really claim is "I can make much better > time here, because the checkpoints are much less > frequent". Sad state of affairs. the Constitution, in providing every citizen a right to interstate travel, merely established the right to move about the country to make oneself a home. it did NOT establish a right to drive around wherever the hell you want without restrictions. if you're walking, there will be no checkpoints. get in a vehicle and you have made the conscious decision that you are entitled to a lesser expectation of privacy. > U.S. Constitution: Amendment IV > > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, > houses, papers, and > effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, > shall not be violated, > and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, > supported by oath or > affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be > searched, and the > persons or things to be seized. what you have quoted here is irrelevant to the discussion. the concept of _warrantless_ searches and seizures (what is at issue here) is not a new phenomenon or a product of the rhenquist Court. > A nice write-up on the legal history of defining > "probable cause": > > > > If you want to read about this case, here's a URL: > > http://www.roadblock.org/statecases/vacase.htm > > The case lost on appeal. The hairsplitting going on in > Virginia now is that: > > (a) If you see a roadblock, and you don't want to go > through it (this being > a "free country" and all), and you turn on to a dead-end > side street to > make a legal U turn, the police may not chase you. > > (b) If you see the same roadblock, and you turn into a > gas station to make > a legal U turn, the police may chase you. > > So, don't tell me you rights aren't being withered away a > little at a time. You're just not paying attention. as a maryland domiciliary, i don't see an impact on my "rights" at all. the commonwealth of virginia has some pretty stupid shit on the books....and if it didn't have kickass twisty mountain roads, i'd never go there. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 17 11:40:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14607.mail.yahoo.com (web14607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAHGebj03110 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:40:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011117164036.19490.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.42.33] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 08:40:36 PST Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 08:40:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20011117162949.13250.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > the commonwealth of virginia has some pretty stupid shit > on the books....and if it didn't have kickass twisty > mountain roads, i'd never go there. sorry. i forgot to mention its many great golf courses.... i'd visit for those too. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 17 12:08:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9506.mail.yahoo.com (web9506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAHH8jj03550 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:08:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011117170844.23744.qmail@web9506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.118.199] by web9506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:08:44 PST Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:08:44 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Subject: Searching for help on locating bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Im tryin to find where i would begin looking for a kawasaki 500-r that is in the year range of 94-98. as a begginer i have no clue where to look for used motorcycles. is the washington post the best place?? im probably not going to be able to buy the bike until this spring/summer... but i want to start looking to see if i can even find one around here... any help would be greatly appreciated Thanks, Eric __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 17 12:36:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAHHarj03976 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:36:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-185-072.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.185.72] helo=pltrgyst.xhost.org) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1659Oc-00017v-00; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:36:50 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011117123343.00aca100@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:35:51 -0500 To: roach@XXXXXX, From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case In-Reply-To: <01111701060204.23646@firewall.dcc-racing.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011116231008.02d85b50@pop-server.cox.rr.com> <000f01c16ec7$2fb4a640$2b72313f@cfoatty3> <5.1.0.14.0.20011116231008.02d85b50@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_696906887==_.ALT" --=====================_696906887==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:06 AM 11/17/01, Roach wrote: > 12 years ago, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid licence > 10 years ago, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid licence > 8 years ago, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid licence > ... > 4 years ago, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid licence ...but the (repeatedly) court-approved legal justification for all these stops was as sobriety checks only, in the interest of public safety. The sobriety check justification legitimized checking licenses, just like any other traffic stop, supposedly for identification purposes. > This year, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid licence ...now, checkpoints are supposedly to be justified explicitly to check for drivers licenses. This is different from the precedents. -- Larry --=====================_696906887==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 01:06 AM 11/17/01, Roach wrote:
> 12 years ago, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid licence
> 10 years ago, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid licence
> 8 years ago, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid licence
> ...
> 4 years ago, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid licence

...but the (repeatedly) court-approved legal justification for all these stops was as sobriety checks only, in the interest of public safety. The sobriety check justification legitimized checking licenses, just like any other traffic stop, supposedly for identification purposes.

> This year, it was a checkpoint for sobriety/valid licence

...now, checkpoints are supposedly to be justified explicitly to check for drivers licenses. This is different from the precedents.

-- Larry


--=====================_696906887==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 17 15:30:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9601.mail.yahoo.com (web9601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.180]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAHKUDj06430 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:30:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011117203012.15261.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [134.173.160.181] by web9601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:30:12 PST Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:30:12 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: Searching for help on locating bikes To: Eric , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20011117170844.23744.qmail@web9506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Eric, www.cycletrader.com or www.classifieds2000.com are good internet search devices for used bikes. Washington post is good, but sometimes selection is limited. Adam Reinhardt 89 CBR --- Eric wrote: > Im tryin to find where i would begin looking for a > kawasaki 500-r that is > in the year range of 94-98. as a begginer i have no > clue where to look for > used motorcycles. is the washington post the best > place?? im probably not > going to be able to buy the bike until this > spring/summer... but i want to > start looking to see if i can even find one around > here... any help would > be greatly appreciated > > Thanks, > Eric > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 17 15:40:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAHKelj06529 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id fAHKegB00320; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:40:43 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Eric , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Searching for help on locating bikes Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:38:31 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20011117203012.15261.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20011117203012.15261.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01111715383105.23646@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Eric, My friend Sebastian DiPinto runs a small used bike shop south of Springfield. He might be able to help you out in finding the bike you want. The shop is called "CyclePros" and is right off Rt95 just south of the interchange. I can't find his number at the moment (it's around here somewhere...) but he can be reached via email at cyclepros1@XXXXXX and I'm sure his shop is in the phone book (I'm in DE now and don't have a VA book handy). If you contact him, tell him I sent ya his way. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 17 18:17:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAHNHxj08763 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p50.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.178]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02796 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:17:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 17:22:06 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c16fb6$60b525e0$2984c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20011117143357.5189.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Todd W asks - > Maybe they should stop every > car in the carpool > lanes to make sure there are at least two occupants? Done. Troopers post themselves in certain places at the beginning of morning and evening rush hour just for that purpose. You don't need to stop the cars for that though. Just look as they pass. > Where's the > "reasonable" limit? > > The constitution says no searches without probable > cause. And it says it > in plain English. Where is that being violated? A stop is not a search. But a stop IS a Seizure as defined by the USC. VA treats traffic stops as misdemeanor offenses. Hhhmmm, looks like we are already doing all that you feared. I guess it is time for you to move to some country that gives you more freedoms. Let me know when you find one. No sense being PO'd at the cops. If you want someone to blame, look no further than the mirror - me included. None of us stormed the capitol when primary enforcement of seat belts was proposed ? ditto reducing the speed limit around the mixing bowl. And every other traffic law that's been passed. If you were truly concerned about personal freedom, you'd be writing letters to your legislators weekly opposing every new traffic law, because even a minor traffic infraction carries the possibility of a trip to jail, even if it's only a $5.00 fine for the offense... And it's not one whit for the children, it's so the Pols look like they 'did something' at reelection time. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 17 19:15:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10506.mail.yahoo.com (web10506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAI0Frj09655 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:15:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011118001552.56074.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.84.190] by web10506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:15:52 PST Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:15:52 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: RE: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <002d01c16fb6$60b525e0$2984c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > No sense being PO'd at the cops. If you > want someone to blame, > look no further than the mirror - me included. I am not PO'd at the cops. That would be quite silly of me. I believe you are confusing me with the person I was quoting and rebutting. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 17 21:29:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAI2Taj11469 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:29:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-64.157.56.108.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([64.157.56.108] helo=ix.netcom.com) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 165HiB-0003bu-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:29:35 -0500 Message-ID: <3BF71D50.575B7A64@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:30:40 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just thought I'd chime in. My understanding (and I'm not a lawyer) is that sobriety checkpoints are REQUIRED to have an escape route (in order for them to be constitutional). If a motorist is smart enough to see and use this escape route, it's supposed to be okee-dokee and you can't be arrested for making use of it. But there is also a "point of no return" at sobriety checkpoints. If a car tries to escape beyond this point, then they are fair game for the cops. I didn't read the article, so I don't know if the person in question was using the legal escape route or not. For the record, as a libertarian I am opposed to these sobriety checkpoints because I feel they are an infringement on my personal/civil liberties. Although the courts obviously feel differently, I view them as a violation of my 4th amendment rights. I also hate seatbelt laws. Moto content: I hate helmet laws too! %^) Chuck DCCRSC #2 Randy or Julie Moran wrote : > > The cops arrested some stupid twinky for an unnamed offense after he tried > to give them the slip by u-turning in a driveway in full view of the cops at > the checkpoint (WTF!). -- "The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 17 21:43:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAI2h3j11693 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p37.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.37]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA23983; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:42:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Todd Withrow'" , Subject: RE: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:41:08 -0500 Message-ID: <003a01c16fda$a791fa00$2984c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20011118001552.56074.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> > No sense being PO'd at the cops. If you > want someone to blame, > look no further than the mirror - me included. I am not PO'd at the cops. That would be quite silly of me. I should've clarified that, I didn't mean that to be directed at you. More all of us... Not that I'm terribly impressed with the caliber of local traffic cops, but the legislators we keep sending to office are the ones at fault here... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 17 21:44:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAI2iXj11713 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p37.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.37]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA24112 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:44:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:43:04 -0500 Message-ID: <003b01c16fda$d524d8c0$2984c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3BF71D50.575B7A64@ix.netcom.com> Chuck Chimed in - Just thought I'd chime in. My understanding (and I'm not a lawyer) is that sobriety checkpoints are REQUIRED to have an escape route (in order for them to be constitutional). ... That's a new one on me... For the record, as a libertarian I am opposed to these sobriety checkpoints because I feel they are an infringement on my personal/civil liberties. Although the courts obviously feel differently, I view them as a violation of my 4th amendment rights. I also hate seatbelt laws. Moto content: I hate helmet laws too! %^) What's next? Helmet checkpoints ??? ;-) Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Nov 17 21:59:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAI2xNj11932 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-67.patriot.net [209.249.180.67]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fAI2xKt08267; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:59:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3BF72288.DC128B1D@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:52:56 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case References: <003b01c16fda$d524d8c0$2984c0cf@nih.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > What's next? Helmet checkpoints ??? ;-) > Been done before - checkpoints for assorted stuff that included a helmet check for the DOT or Snell sticker. But the courts crapped on those tickets because most state laws read "approved helmet" but don't specify a DOT or Snell rating. From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 18 07:56:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAICuqj20423 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 07:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 2.c.1e631281 (17081) for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 07:56:44 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 07:56:44 EST Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 11/17/2001 11:36:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > if you're walking, there will be no checkpoints. Really? Are you black? Arab? The reality is that if you are walking in the "wrong" neighborhood you are _very_ likely to be stopped. > get in a vehicle and you have made the conscious decision that you > are entitled to a lesser expectation of privacy. The hell I have! And by the way I will not fit in my saddlebag. Just how do you get _in_ a motorcycle? John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 18 08:05:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAID5pj20639 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 08:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 2.162.41a1883 (17081) for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 08:05:43 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <162.41a1883.29290c27@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 08:05:43 EST Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 11/17/2001 9:49:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > What's next? Helmet checkpoints ??? ;-) Try going through a sobriety checkpoint without a helmet. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 18 09:10:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAIEARj21462 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 09:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p58.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.186]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24666; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 09:10:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: , Subject: RE: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 08:50:50 -0500 Message-ID: <004901c17038$1e713660$2984c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <162.41a1883.29290c27@aol.com> I mused - > What's next? Helmet checkpoints ??? ;-) Try going through a sobriety checkpoint without a helmet. Yup, it's definitely gone too far... While I've only been through 1 or 2 checkpoints, these are just fishing expeditions... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 18 09:21:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAIEL6j21671 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 09:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-14-175.s1191.apx2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.14.175] helo=electraglide) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 165Soa-0006ro-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 09:21:01 -0500 Message-ID: <030401c1703c$3bba5360$1d00a8c0@cycles.local> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: References: Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 09:20:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > Here's what I think. If you're trying to screw the system, and, thereby, all > who are generally law-abiding, have the common decency to quit the whining > when you're caught. > What if you just realized that you forgot your wallet and freaked-out at the thought of going through the checkpoint without it? From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 18 10:17:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14603.mail.yahoo.com (web14603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAIFHbj22437 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:17:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011118151732.91089.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.42.33] by web14603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 07:17:32 PST Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 07:17:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 11/17/2001 11:36:20 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > if you're walking, there will be no checkpoints. > > Really? Are you black? Arab? The reality is that if you > are walking in the > "wrong" neighborhood you are _very_ likely to be stopped. if you don't know your rights in these situations, that is YOUR fault. > > get in a vehicle and you have made the conscious > decision that you > > are entitled to a lesser expectation of privacy. > > The hell I have! ok. then you have made the decision unconsciously to remain ignorant of the laws of this country. > And by the way I will not fit in my saddlebag. Just how > do you get _in_ a motorcycle? in, on. whatever. the point is that enforcement of the law differs when a vehicle is involved. oh, but i'm sure you'll incorrectly tell me otherwise. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 18 11:27:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAIGR6j23420 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-122-212-161.s415.apx1k.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.212.161] helo=209.122.212.161) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 165Ume-00032S-00; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:27:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3BF7E24F.503A@starpower.net> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:31:11 -0500 From: Paul Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SP32599 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kathleen Loerich CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case References: <030401c1703c$3bba5360$1d00a8c0@cycles.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathleen Loerich wrote: > > > > > Here's what I think. If you're trying to screw the system, and, thereby, > all > > who are generally law-abiding, have the common decency to quit the whining > > when you're caught. > > > > What if you just realized that you forgot your wallet and freaked-out at the > thought of going through the checkpoint without it? If you forget your wallet you are given a ticket and told to appear at a police station with a valid license within 48 hours or some such time limit. The ticket will be cancelled when you do so. BTDT. Most of the time, the in-cruiser computer will come up that you have a valid license once you give them the license #. Once all the DMV records are digitized, your picture will come up too. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 18 11:45:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAIGj2j23711 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAIGitG98744 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:44:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011118104039.03d16a10@mail.annapurna.com> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:42:29 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case In-Reply-To: <20011118151732.91089.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm glad I don't live in *your* America. What was that last message of yours that I let slide? Interstate travel is only legal if you're relocating your primary residence? Nice. That would make it a little tough for me to get to work every day. At 10:17 AM 11/18/2001, Tom Gimer wrote: > > Really? Are you black? Arab? The reality is that if you > > are walking in the > > "wrong" neighborhood you are _very_ likely to be stopped. > >if you don't know your rights in these situations, that is >YOUR fault. It's my fault if I'm walking down the street, and the police detain me, search me, and question me without probable cause? Nice, nice, very nice indeed. I do agree that it's my *responsibility* to seek civil and criminal penalties for having been wronged, as a preventive and deterrent measure so that the next person (possibly me again) will not be wronged. But the incident isn't my *fault*. > > > get in a vehicle and you have made the conscious > > decision that you > > > are entitled to a lesser expectation of privacy. > > > > The hell I have! > >ok. then you have made the decision unconsciously to >remain ignorant of the laws of this country. Which laws are those? Police checkpoints are getting about about half a pass in the courts on very weak and conflicting legal precedent, because the police always get the benefit of the doubt, and because NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE OBJECT. If you do get stuck at a checkpoint: - you don't have to answer any questions about whether you've been drinking. - you don't have to say where you've been or where you're going. - you don't have to submit to a vehicle search. - if in a car, you don't have to get out (except under threat of arrest), or open the window more than necessary to give them your license and registration. - if they order you out of the car, they don't have a right to search the car. lock it. Why don't you have to do these things? Because this is fucking AMERICA and you have fucking RIGHTS! USE THEM or LOSE THEM. Repeat after me: "Here are my license, registration, and proof of insurance. I believe that police checkpoints are wrong and un-American. I don't care to answer any questions or submit to a search. I'd like to leave now. Am I free to go?" - your refusal to answer questions or submit to a search cannot be considered probable cause that you are engaged in any illegal activity If they hold you for more than a few minutes based on no probable cause, contact the ACLU and LET THE LAWSUITS BEGIN! If more people stood up for these rights at checkpoints and stopped handing out free interrogations, checkpoints would much sooner become worthless unworkable tools, and police would be ordered by the courts to give them up. If nobody resists, such invasive tactics will become more frequent and more invasive until someone objects. That's the way the system works. >in, on. whatever. the point is that enforcement of the >law differs when a vehicle is involved. oh, but i'm sure >you'll incorrectly tell me otherwise. I tried to send some actual legal and case information in my last post; I think I'm the only one whose tried to inject any supporting facts. I'll shut up now (and there was much rejoicing). People have rights. People give them up at the drop of a hat. Some people don't seem to know that they have any rights. It's a sad state of affairs. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 18 13:24:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAIIOYj25104 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-14-175.s1191.apx2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.14.175] helo=electraglide) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 165WcK-0002Xf-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:24:33 -0500 Message-ID: <02c601c1705e$4140ff60$1d00a8c0@cycles.local> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: References: <030401c1703c$3bba5360$1d00a8c0@cycles.local> <3BF7E24F.503A@starpower.net> Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:24:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > If you forget your wallet you are given a ticket and told to appear at a > police station with a valid license within 48 hours or some such time > limit. The ticket will be cancelled when you do so. BTDT. Most of the > time, the in-cruiser computer will come up that you have a valid license > once you give them the license #. Once all the DMV records are > digitized, your picture will come up too. > > Sure, and if you act the wrong way or say the wrong things, it can take you months of paperwork and other hassles to get it all straightened out. You have more faith in 'the system' than I do. Kathleen From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 18 14:09:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14610.mail.yahoo.com (web14610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAIJ9Bj25716 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:09:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011118190910.59425.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.42.33] by web14610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:09:10 PST Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:09:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case To: Rob Winters , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011118104039.03d16a10@mail.annapurna.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Rob Winters wrote: > I'm glad I don't live in *your* America. What was that > last message of yours that I let slide? Interstate travel > is only legal if you're relocating your primary > residence? Nice. That would make it a little tough > for me to get to work every day. that's not what i said. you conveniently failed to quote my post. what i said is that is the only FUNDAMENTAL right connected to interstate travel. do you believe you have a fundamental right to drive to work? i believe the MVA might have something to say about that, especially if you're a shitty driver. > At 10:17 AM 11/18/2001, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > Really? Are you black? Arab? The reality is that if > > > you are walking in the "wrong" neighborhood you are > > > _very_ likely to be stopped. > > > >if you don't know your rights in these situations, that > is YOUR fault. > > It's my fault if I'm walking down the street, and the > police detain me, search me, and question me without > probable cause? Nice, nice, very nice indeed. yes. if you fail to invoke your rights (which you clearly indicate below that you are aware of) at the proper time and in the proper manner, then over-zealous police officers or other government agents will strong-arm you. as i indicated, if you allow this to happen, it's your fault. > I do agree that it's my *responsibility* to seek civil > and criminal penalties for having been wronged, as a > preventive and deterrent measure so that the next person > (possibly me again) will not be wronged. But the > incident isn't my *fault*. see above > > > > get in a vehicle and you have made the conscious > > > > decision that you are entitled to a lesser > > > > expectation of privacy. > > > > > The hell I have! > > > >ok. then you have made the decision unconsciously to > >remain ignorant of the laws of this country. > > Which laws are those? the laws which must adhere to the requirements of the fourth and fifth amendments to the u.s. constitution > Police checkpoints are getting about about half a > pass in the courts on very weak and conflicting legal > precedent, because > the police always get the benefit of the doubt, and > because NOT ENOUGH > PEOPLE OBJECT. If you do get stuck at a checkpoint: thank you. you have made my point for me. > >in, on. whatever. the point is that enforcement of the > >law differs when a vehicle is involved. oh, but i'm > >sure you'll incorrectly tell me otherwise. > > I tried to send some actual legal and case information in > my last post; I think I'm the only one whose tried to > inject any supporting facts. I'll shut up now (and there > was much rejoicing). supporting facts of what? a dissenting OPINION is just that. do you think i'm making things up? i'll be happy to give you cites for anything i have stated. please don't try to portray me as something that i'm not. > People have rights. People give them up at the drop of a > hat. Some people > don't seem to know that they have any rights. It's a sad > state of affairs. should the government be blamed for failing to educate each and every citizen of ALL their rights? or should the blame fall on those who have not only the ability, but the need, to figure them out for themselves? i say the latter, not only because it's cheaper but because it's perfectly fair. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 18 14:53:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAIJrHj26354 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAIJrCG98985 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:53:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011118142559.03e6e930@mail.annapurna.com> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:50:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case In-Reply-To: <20011118190910.59425.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011118104039.03d16a10@mail.annapurna.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:09 PM 11/18/2001, Tom Gimer wrote: >supporting facts of what? a dissenting OPINION is just >that. Someone said that the phrase "probable cause" isn't actually in the Constitution. I sent the Fourth Amendment. Someone else said they didn't know the facts of the case. I sent a link that points to the facts of the case. >should the government be blamed for failing to educate each >and every citizen of ALL their rights? or should the blame >fall on those who have not only the ability, but the need, >to figure them out for themselves? i say the latter, not >only because it's cheaper but because it's perfectly fair. People should know that whenever the police are asking them questions, it's because the police are investigating specific illegal activity, and that they must answer. I'd never hesitate to answer police questions if they were canvassing after a theft or murder. Roadblocks are fishing expeditions; they muddy up the civic responsibility of the detainee. The police are intimidating; uniformed persons with guns, with "law enforcement" on their side, and they have taken control of you. Yes, they absolutely *should* have to tell you that you're not suspected of a crime, and that refusing to answer questions would not constitute an obstruction of justice. Otherwise, how are you going to know? If everyone is a potential suspect all of the time, it will never be in anyone's best interest to tell the police anything at any time. This is very bad news for the police. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 18 15:49:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAIKnJj27111 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 15:49:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011118204918.46393.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.42.33] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:49:18 PST Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:49:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case To: Rob Winters , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011118142559.03e6e930@mail.annapurna.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Rob Winters wrote: > At 02:09 PM 11/18/2001, Tom Gimer wrote: > >supporting facts of what? a dissenting OPINION is just > >that. > > Someone said that the phrase "probable cause" isn't > actually in the Constitution. nope. i said that "probable cause" isn't plain english, and there is no definition of same contained in the constitution. > I sent the Fourth Amendment. Someone else > said they didn't know the facts of the case. I sent a > link that points to the facts of the case. fine. understood. > >should the government be blamed for failing to educate > >each and every citizen of ALL their rights? or should > >the blame fall on those who have not only the ability, > >but the need, to figure them out for themselves? i say > >the latter, not only because it's cheaper but because > >it's perfectly fair. > > People should know that whenever the police are asking > them questions, it's because the police are investigating > specific illegal activity, and that they must answer. I'd > never hesitate to answer police questions if they > were canvassing after a theft or murder. i'm confused here. there are certainly instances where it makes no sense at all to speak to the police, i.e., when you are in fact guilty of the crime they are investigating (or some other crime). let's not be foolish here....making the state prove every element of a given crime beyond a reasonable doubt is a good thing. you should not be required to help them....hence the 5th amendment. > Roadblocks are fishing expeditions; they muddy up the > civic responsibility of the detainee. The police are > intimidating; uniformed persons with guns, with "law > enforcement" on their side, and they have taken > control of you. Yes, they absolutely *should* have to > tell you that you're not suspected of a crime, and that > refusing to answer questions would not constitute an > obstruction of justice. Otherwise, how are you going to > know? you and i figured it out. are you saying that the police should tell you, during their INITIAL attempts to uncover information, that you are not required to speak? let's be realistic here. people should have enough personal responsibility to figure out when it is in their best interests to keep their mouths shut and when they have the absolute right to do so. > If everyone is a potential suspect all of the time, it > will never be in anyone's best interest to tell the > police anything at any time. This is very bad news for > the police. you lost me..... but i have no sympathy for the police in this regard. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 18 17:34:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10505.mail.yahoo.com (web10505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.155]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAIMYHj28586 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:34:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011118223416.79069.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.90.95] by web10505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:34:16 PST Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:34:16 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case To: Rob Winters , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011118104039.03d16a10@mail.annapurna.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Repeat after me: "Here are my license, registration, > and proof of > insurance. I believe that police checkpoints are > wrong and un-American. I > don't care to answer any questions or submit to a > search. I'd like to leave > now. Am I free to go?" > As long as you say that without slurring, or me detecting the odor of an alchoholic beverage, I'll let you go. :D Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 18 19:45:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJ0jXj00697 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.100.2] ([216.174.54.102]) by smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GN0VFP02.C7D for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:45:25 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:45:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case From: Randy or Julie Moran To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <030401c1703c$3bba5360$1d00a8c0@cycles.local> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 11.18.2001 9:20 AM, Kathleen Loerich at KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX wrote: >> >> Here's what I think. If you're trying to screw the system, and, thereby, > all >> who are generally law-abiding, have the common decency to quit the whining >> when you're caught. >> > > What if you just realized that you forgot your wallet and freaked-out at the > thought of going through the checkpoint without it? Easy. Don't freak out. Proceed to the check point and explain to the cop that you forgot your wallet. More than likely, he or she will wave you through as long as you don't reek of booze. I was pulled over outside of Middleburg a couple of weeks ago for speeding (60 in a 35). I was in full leathers and didn't have my wallet on me. The cop ran my social by the dispatcher and found out everything she needed to know. Then I asked her to cut me some slack and she did. No ticket, let off with a warning. See? No freaking out, no attitude, no "I've got my rights" bullshit, and none of the other insanely stupid behavior being bandied about in this thread as the way to "take a stand" for your constitutional rights. RPM From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 18 19:57:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fc.Capaccess.org (fc.capaccess.org [151.200.199.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJ0vIj00848 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:57:18 -0500 (EST) Message-id: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:58:59 -0500 Subject: Free: XV700 parts (1985 Virago) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Free, no title, rolling chassis, engine in frame (some parts gone). No electrics. NW DC. --garcia "Get the facts first. You can always distort them later." Mark Twain From dc-cycles-request Sun Nov 18 21:09:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJ29gj01798 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:09:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-64.157.60.10.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([64.157.60.10] helo=s0023675517) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 165dsT-0003UK-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:09:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c1709f$45af1e60$0a3c9d40@s0023675517> From: "Gavin Ruddy" To: References: <200111190001.fAJ01LK29828@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:09:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I'm on digest format so I might be a little behind here. >Really? Are you black? Arab? The reality is that if you are >walking in the "wrong" neighborhood you are _very_ likely to be >stopped. It goes both ways. When I used to be a police officer I stopped people for being white, because more often than not they were in my patrol area to buy drugs. Gavin Ruddy Lorton, VA From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 07:56:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cgds1.osc.uscg.mil (cgds1.osc.uscg.mil [152.121.49.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJCuJj11268 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqex6.comdt.uscg.mil by CGDS1.osc.uscg.mil with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:56:08 -0500 Received: by hqex6.comdt.uscg.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:56:31 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Just get properly licensed Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:56:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If you're REALLY walking in a bad hood your likely to be stopped by more than some discharged jarhead playing cop. Has anyone ever wondered why cops pull over old ladies... when they should be crashing down crack house doors? Because it's safer. Do you know what else is safe... not running from a cop, or turning around real quick with your hand in your pocket or flipping them off as you cruise by their patrol car doing 90+... but there are those who do. I guess they just feel lucky. Folks, these guys have guns (and some may still be using steroids), and they WILL use them. I read a book a while ago called "Power, Resistance or Obedience" it was an eye opener. Here's an experiment... the next time you're at a roadblock... put the cop in your rearview and watch him as you reach in your tank bag for your billfold... they get real anxious. They might even unsnap their weapons holster for easier access. >Really? Are you black? Arab? The reality is that if you are walking in the >"wrong" neighborhood you are _very_ likely to be stopped. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 08:39:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJDdaj11948 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 2.105.c8de118 (4462) for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:39:26 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <105.c8de118.292a658e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:39:26 EST Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 11/18/2001 10:17:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > if you don't know your rights in these situations, that is > YOUR fault. Knowing your rights will not prevent you from being stopped, all I said was you will be stopped. As for knowing your rights, just try saying "You cannot stop me officer I know my rights" and see just how amusing the next conversation will be. The problem is that the act of standing up for your rights has become a reason for suspicion based on "you must be guilty or why protest" thinking. And that is WRONG! The only way to prevent that is for all of us to stand up for our rights guilty or innocent. And that is what this thread is about. > the point is that enforcement of the > law differs when a vehicle is involved. No one is arguing that enforcement is in fact different. The problem is THAT it is different. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 08:45:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13802.mail.yahoo.com (web13802.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAJDjwj12120 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:45:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011119134557.46038.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 05:45:57 PST Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 05:45:57 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case To: Randy or Julie Moran , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes, but Randy, you had violated the law, twice. So you had given up those rights. People simply driving along have donw nothing to violate the law, therefore these roadblocks are just (unconstitutional?) fishing expeditions. > > > Easy. Don't freak out. Proceed to the check point > and explain to the cop > that you forgot your wallet. More than likely, he or > she will wave you > through as long as you don't reek of booze. I was > pulled over outside of > Middleburg a couple of weeks ago for speeding (60 in > a 35). I was in full > leathers and didn't have my wallet on me. The cop > ran my social by the > dispatcher and found out everything she needed to > know. Then I asked her to > cut me some slack and she did. No ticket, let off > with a warning. See? No > freaking out, no attitude, no "I've got my rights" > bullshit, and none of the > other insanely stupid behavior being bandied about > in this thread as the way > to "take a stand" for your constitutional rights. > > RPM > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 09:29:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com (mail.mckissackdc.com [209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJETIj12799 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:29:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:28:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: HOV Checks Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:28:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'd say on an average morning on 66 1 out of 8 cars is violating HOV, that's being generous too. In the evening it's more like 1 out of 4 cars. It's very annoying. I know there are troopers in certain locations and I appreciate what they are doing, but they miss a lot of people. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 5:22 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Todd W asks - > Maybe they should stop every > car in the carpool > lanes to make sure there are at least two occupants? Done. Troopers post themselves in certain places at the beginning of morning and evening rush hour just for that purpose. You don't need to stop the cars for that though. Just look as they pass. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 09:40:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJEeFj12965 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:40:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.120.170.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fAJEaP808509 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:36:25 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011119093628.02b6ed70@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:39:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: A few updates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed First off - I am loving my new commute on the bike. Clifton backroads (Yates Ford / Henderson / Clifton / Newton / Colchester) to Braddock for a sec, 7100 for a sec, then West OX for a minute to Vienna / Reston backroads (Vale / Stuarts Mill / Hunters Mill). 45 minutes with 35 of twisties each way. Woo Hoo! Also a broadcast update - sorry for the email impersonality of it all - I became engaged to my long time girlfriend Rhonda on Friday. Wedding in May. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. -- Francis Bacon From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 09:45:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com ([168.144.1.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJEjrj13126 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w068 ([168.144.108.68]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:45:44 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 128.221.131.121 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: more checkpoint banter Sender: "sdave@XXXXXX" From: "sdave@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:45:42 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2001 14:45:44.0810 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE67B4A0:01C17108] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fAJEjsj13127 ..Here's an experiment... the next time you're at a roadblock... put the cop in your rearview and watch him as you reach in your tank bag for your billfold... they get real anxious. They might even unsnap their weapons holster for easier access. Let us know how this turns out, will ya? I'm opposed to both, but conduct at a traffic stop and conduct at a checkpoint are 2 different animals. If you try asserting Constitutional rights at a traffic stop, you just talked yourself into a ticket. OTOH, at a road block or checkpoint, when you have committed no crime, there really is no 'compelling state interest' in you being there - if you've committed no crime. So, in an effort to stop wasting taxpayer money, assert your rights, inform the officers you will not answer any questions but will be happy to show your license, registration, proof of insurance and be on your way. Get your stay done as soon as possible, so they can pick on somebody else. A little common sense goes a long way - be polite, but firm. Don't drive a ratty, beat up vehicle - keep it clean, and uncluttered. If there's nothing visible to anyone, it's tough to make reasonable suspicion. And don't try the experiment above. Not only would it be an exercise in poor judgement, if you (legally) carry a firearm, it's going to reflect poorly on everyone else who does too. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 09:51:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJEpRj13232 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-117-21.s275.tnt10.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.117.21] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 165ple-0006lK-00; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:51:26 -0500 Message-ID: <00c801c1710a$17ecefa0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Gavin Ruddy" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <200111190001.fAJ01LK29828@dirty.meretrix.com> <000401c1709f$45af1e60$0a3c9d40@s0023675517> Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:52:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yup, this will happen to you in parts of DC. White, esp. with suburban or out of the area plates, the assumption is you're either clueless and lost or up to no good, i.e., looking for prostitutes or a drug buy. A buddy of mine was hassled waiting to pick up his baby sitter near a housing project in SW. Cop wanted to know what he was doing sitting in his car in that part of town. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Ruddy" > I'm on digest format so I might be a little behind here. > > >Really? Are you black? Arab? The reality is that if you are >walking in the > "wrong" neighborhood you are _very_ likely to be >stopped. > > It goes both ways. When I used to be a police officer I stopped people for > being white, because more often than not they were in my patrol area to buy > drugs. > > Gavin Ruddy > Lorton, VA > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 10:01:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com ([168.144.1.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJF1tj13430 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:01:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w032 ([168.144.108.32]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:01:57 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:01:55 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2001 15:01:57.0499 (UTC) FILETIME=[222C44B0:01C1710B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fAJF1vj13431 Dave, Apparently, there are all sorts of things that have to be done for a sobriety checkpoint to pass the constitutionality litmus test, including:] - It has to be announced/publicized. Don't ask me how or how far in advance. I just know that they can't set one up without forwarning the public. - You can't set up a checkpoint at the only exit of a parking lot for a bar/restaurant. - Similarly you can't set up a checkpoint that doesn't allow for a way around it. e.g., If the only exit from a bar/restaurant parking lot emptied onto a one-way street, you couldn't set up the checkpoint on that street before the next intersection that would allow someone a chance to avoid the checkpoint. As I said, I'm not a lawyer but I do know that there are some pretty strict guidelines about how sobriety checkpoints are supposed to be set up. If not set up properly, any arrests made at the checkpoint would get thrown out in court (assuming you have a smart enough lawyer). But a checkpoint is a checkpoint is a checkpoint and just smacks too much of "papers please". Original Message: ----------------- From: Dave Yates sdave@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:43:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case Chuck Chimed in - Just thought I'd chime in. My understanding (and I'm not a lawyer) is that sobriety checkpoints are REQUIRED to have an escape route (in order for them to be constitutional). ... That's a new one on me... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 10:09:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14001.mail.yahoo.com (web14001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.92]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAJF9mj13563 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:09:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011119150946.58372.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.25] by web14001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:09:46 PST Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:09:46 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Searching for help on locating bikes To: Eric , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20011117170844.23744.qmail@web9506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My neighbor has an '89 EX500 that is available. It's got 30K on the bike, but less than that on the engine. $1000 will take it. I've ridden it, it's a good bike for the price. Leon. --- Eric wrote: > Im tryin to find where i would begin looking for a > kawasaki 500-r that is > in the year range of 94-98. as a begginer i have no > clue where to look for > used motorcycles. is the washington post the best > place?? im probably not > going to be able to buy the bike until this > spring/summer... but i want to > start looking to see if i can even find one around > here... any help would > be greatly appreciated > > Thanks, > Eric > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 10:53:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13601.mail.yahoo.com (web13601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.112]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAJFrfj14291 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:53:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011119155340.94316.qmail@web13601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.10.248.51] by web13601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:53:39 PST Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:53:39 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Sanjour Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <030401c1703c$3bba5360$1d00a8c0@cycles.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Many years ago I was driving north on Georgia Avenue in Silver Spring. I saw a sobriety check point up the road and baled onto a side street. I wasn't drunk, had nothing to drink all day. I had my license with me. All was legal with my car. I had no warrants or any other reason to avoid the law. But, I had my cat with me. I had let her out of her cage so she could roam around, it was the only way to shut her up. It's not that I didn't want to stop at the check point. I didn't want to stop, roll down the window and talk to some stranger. I thought it would freak her out and she hide somewhere and it would take me hours to get her out. There are lots of valid reasons lawful people may not want to stop. It's not illegal to avoid a check point. But now in Virginia apparently it's probable cause for a traffic stop. Joe '99 SV650 P.S. What's up on route 7 between Seven Corners and Bailey's Crossroads? All weekend they had flares on the road making cars slow down so they could be eye balled by a couple of very bored looking cops. --- Kathleen Loerich wrote: > > > > Here's what I think. If you're trying to screw the > system, and, thereby, > all > > who are generally law-abiding, have the common > decency to quit the whining > > when you're caught. > > > > What if you just realized that you forgot your > wallet and freaked-out at the > thought of going through the checkpoint without it? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 11:06:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com (mail.mckissackdc.com [209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJG6Dj14576 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:05:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:05:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" VA Tax stickers had to be on by the 15th of NOV, my guess. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Sanjour [mailto:jp_shoe@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:54 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case P.S. What's up on route 7 between Seven Corners and Bailey's Crossroads? All weekend they had flares on the road making cars slow down so they could be eye balled by a couple of very bored looking cops. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 11:13:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com ([168.144.1.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJGDMj14682 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from M2W016 ([168.144.108.16]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:13:25 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 128.221.131.121 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: more checkpoint banter Sender: "sdave@XXXXXX" From: "sdave@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:23:04 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2001 16:13:25.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DD38D60:01C17115] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fAJGDNj14683 .. > at a road block or checkpoint, when you have committed no crime, there really > is no 'compelling state interest' in you being there - if you've committed no > crime. LongJohn comments This is fun. This points out another problem. There is a constant and never-ending proliferation of laws on laws, the result is that we all have something to fear from cops. (Parking tickets, late on property tax, I cannot keep track of it all/did I forget something, real or imagined) Come on we all speed (go ahead lie to me) So we all need to be careful when stopped. We do not dare fight because if a cop really wants to he/she can find something. even having your car running without an occupant is an offense, so yes, it's quite impossible to know all the laws. So, since you can't know all the laws, one logical way to avoid violating a law you might not know about is to give yourself as little chance as possible to violate them. If it doesn't NEED to be in / on your vehicle, don't have it there. Keep it nondescript, solid colors, NO bumper stickers, no political statements - nothing that will predispose a cop into thinking something about you before even speaking with you. And most certainly, a good portion of the population speeds with regularity. Although, I seem to have moved right smack dab into the middle of "I'll go the speed limit & not 1 mph over" central... So, use a blocker. Make sure you're not drawing the most attention. And lets face it if they really want to they can make something up. (There are BAD cops out there.) Here, you're confusing BAD cops with LAW BREAKING cops. Bad cops are basically most traffic enforcement drones, who would not rather be bothered with actual law enforcement, they'd rather collect revenue for the state. Let's face it, there wouldn't be a place in society for bullies if it weren't for traffic cops. LAW BREAKING cops are ones that used their authority for personal gain regardless of the law, or fabricate evidence. Random traffic stops just make the average "law abiding" citizen worry and fear cops. It's a major contributing factor in why people have disdain & disrespect for cops & LE in general. Most of us will only encounter LE because of a traffic stop. Often, people feel wronged afterwards, and they form a resentment. Respect is earned, not given. Heads of LE agencies seem to have forgotten that. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 11:22:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11101.mail.yahoo.com (web11101.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAJGMHj14897 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:22:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011119162216.55689.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:22:16 PST Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:22:16 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That might not be it (though it may be). I was stopped at that same exact stretch of road at a roadblock a few years ago, and the cop said it was because that particular stretch of road sees a lot of DUI/DWI wrecks. They just asked a couple of conversational questions and I was on my way. I'm sure they were checking for slurred speech, scent of alcohol, etc. For the record, I have NO PROBLEM with occasional DUI/DWI checkpoints. Chris Weaver --- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > VA Tax stickers had to be on by the 15th of NOV, my > guess. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Sanjour [mailto:jp_shoe@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:54 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case > > > > P.S. What's up on route 7 between Seven Corners > and Bailey's Crossroads? All weekend they had > flares on the road making cars slow down so > they could be eye balled by a couple of very > bored looking cops. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 11:45:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14610.mail.yahoo.com (web14610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAJGj1j15374 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:45:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011119164459.925.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:44:59 PST Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:44:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <105.c8de118.292a658e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 11/18/2001 10:17:42 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > if you don't know your rights in these situations, that > > is YOUR fault. > > Knowing your rights will not prevent you from being > stopped, all I said was you will be stopped. As for > knowing your rights, just try saying "You cannot > stop me officer I know my rights" and see just how > amusing the next conversation will be. why would i do such a thing? if i'm stopped, the police officer must have had a reasonable articulable suspicion of criminal activity on my part. if he didn't, and he still made the stop, anything he discovers will be inadmissible at trial. > The problem is that the act of standing up for your > rights has become a reason for suspicion based on "you > must be guilty or why protest" thinking. perhaps if it is done in a manner which arouses more suspicion, this is true. but a simple "i'm late for a meeting, and i'd like to leave now" should suffice to get you on your way if there is, in fact, no probable cause to elevate the stop to a search. again, as above, if a search is undertaken without probable cause, any incriminating evidence found will be excluded. > And that is WRONG! The only way to prevent that is for > all of us to stand up for our rights guilty or innocent. > And that is what this thread is about. if you'd be clearer about how you're supposed to "stand up for our rights" perhaps we'd be able to evaluate whether the movement will have some success.... i have raised the possibility that the best way to do so is to become aware of those rights, and use them to their fullest extent. > > the point is that enforcement of the > > law differs when a vehicle is involved. > > No one is arguing that enforcement is in fact different. > The problem is THAT it is different. and why is this a problem? vehicles, by their nature, provide a quick means of escape.... get on the highway in your escape pod and you have in effect consented to a limitation on certain of your rights. fuel to the fire: nobody seems to disagree that there should be comprehensive airline safety and screening measures in place to keep the skies safe. what makes our highways different? i don't agree with heightened restrictions to driving on the highways, but it is only a matter of time before the airline stuff spills over to the rest of interstate travel. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 11:49:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f59.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJGn5j15435 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:49:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:37:56 -0800 Received: from 24.4.253.49 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:37:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.4.253.49] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A few updates Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:37:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2001 16:37:56.0853 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B03F250:01C17118] Congratulations on both fronts, Mike! Way to go!! Rob '98 VFR800 From: Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: A few updates Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:39:55 -0500 First off - I am loving my new commute on the bike. Clifton backroads (Yates Ford / Henderson / Clifton / Newton / Colchester) to Braddock for a sec, 7100 for a sec, then West OX for a minute to Vienna / Reston backroads (Vale / Stuarts Mill / Hunters Mill). 45 minutes with 35 of twisties each way. Woo Hoo! Also a broadcast update - sorry for the email impersonality of it all - I became engaged to my long time girlfriend Rhonda on Friday. Wedding in May. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. -- Francis Bacon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 12:08:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ddlexchange.ddlomni.com ([204.245.128.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJH8mj15775 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from jstrang ([204.245.128.170]) by ddlexchange.ddlomni.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:56:47 -0500 From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: A few updates Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:07:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2001 16:56:47.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[2CCB2110:01C1711B] How many checkpoints did you pass on the way to work? Did you cooperate, or did you assert your rights? --jon > From: Troutman > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: A few updates > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:39:55 -0500 > > First off - I am loving my new commute on the bike. Clifton backroads > (Yates Ford / Henderson / Clifton / Newton / Colchester) to Braddock for a > sec, 7100 for a sec, then West OX for a minute to Vienna / Reston > backroads > (Vale / Stuarts Mill / Hunters Mill). 45 minutes with 35 of twisties each > way. Woo Hoo! From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 12:40:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web20102.mail.yahoo.com (web20102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAJHeGj16292 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:40:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011119174015.96258.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.70.107.68] by web20102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:40:15 PST Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:40:15 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20011119164459.925.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > fuel to the fire: nobody seems to disagree that > there > should be comprehensive airline safety and screening > measures in place to keep the skies safe. what > makes our > highways different? Having done the BWI to Chicago thing this weekend (being my first air trip since the 9/11 incident) I am absolutely amazed ANYONE things it's going to do jack sh*t to stop a terrorist. The measures in place will only catch the moron who doesn't have a ticket or print-out of a web itinerary and doesn't have a photo ID. Seriously, does anybody think both wouldn't be hard to come by? and how does being stopped 3 times to confirm my face matches a potentially fake ID going to do squat? I'm not up to speed on what those xray machines can or can not see but I've thought of a dozen ways to get explosives onto a plane. chocolate covered semtex or C4 in a candy box or semtex and jelly sandwiches (ala P&J) det cord masquerading as ear phones bullets packed inside AAA batteries blasting caps as part of film cartridges or inside same or what have you. And that's just the start. film cannisters as high-voltage capacitors or better yet a nice handheld flashlight that takes those BIG dual-terminal battaries. perfect ignitor source. My wrist-watch as timer... If someone wants to die, there is no end to one's creativity. and if I just want to cause mayhem by say blowing out a cabin wall or a window to cause an air emergency, that's just as useful to someone bent on terrorist activity. I could flush the 'device' down the toilet and have it blow up some time after I leave the john. I find it farcical how the 'authorities' think picture ID confirmation is going to do jack diddly. We have untold millions of people subjecting themselves to search and seasure (random and otherwise) and for what? Note, my film cannisters were never x-rayed. I had them in my pockets and only flashed them when the guard's wand beeped. And somehow federalizing the security monkeys is going to make for more rigourous checks? Ha!! From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 12:45:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJHjPj16466 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.120.170.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fAJHfh808987 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:41:44 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011119124110.02bdb740@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:45:15 -0500 To: "DC Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: RE: A few updates In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:07 PM 11/19/01, Jon Strang wrote: >How many checkpoints did you pass on the way to work? > >Did you cooperate, or did you assert your rights? I am a member of the NMA - which recommends not talking to police at checkpoints to get the point across that you don't approve of them. I talk nicely with the LEOs. My reasoning is that these guys have a job to do, and these aren't bottom up decisions, plus I have a few LEO friends. Let the politicians know if you are dissatisfied. That being said - I just got back from Orlando, and wasn't following the checkpoint thread anyway. I had no checkpoints on the way to work. Good thing - we don't have our Prince William stickers yet. We do have valid Fairfax stickers though. And my helmet is in good working order. I can't find my damn balaclava though. Neck froze this AM. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. -- Francis Bacon From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 12:51:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJHpnj16604 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:51:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:51:41 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E250@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: Cedric Bernescut To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: A few updates Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:51:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I can't find my damn balaclava though. Neck froze this AM. I can imagine how one of those would go over at a checkpoint. Unless, of course, you're talking about the Eastern dessert, that would go over nicely if you brought enough all of them :) Actually, I wasn't happy with the balaclava I used last year as it was open over the nose and I felt the coverage wasn't adequate; any local places sell good ones? Cedric From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 12:51:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.89]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJHpvj16614 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay02.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id fAJHK3sD014398 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GN26Y700.CMA for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:51:43 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GN26Y700.FF2 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:51:43 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:51:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20011119174015.96258.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <0A8405C1-DD16-11D5-BD07-003065B452D2@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) > chocolate covered semtex or C4 in a candy box > or semtex and jelly sandwiches (ala P&J) > det cord masquerading as ear phones > bullets packed inside AAA batteries > blasting caps as part of film cartridges or inside > same or what have you. And that's just the start. > film cannisters as high-voltage capacitors or better > yet a nice handheld flashlight that takes those BIG > dual-terminal battaries. perfect ignitor source. > My wrist-watch as timer... Oooooo-kaaaaay.....Matthew, let me know when you're going to be flying, so I can make sure that I'm hundreds of miles away from any sort of airport.... :P Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 12:55:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from athena.nswc.navy.mil (athena.nswc.navy.mil [198.91.70.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJHtCj16646 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:55:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (relay.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.41]) by athena.nswc.navy.mil (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fAJHpMg02764 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02503 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from nswcdlvaex01.nswc.navy.mil (nswcdlvaex01.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.204.28]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02425 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by nswcdlvaex01.nswc.navy.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:50:41 -0500 Message-ID: <7B4C28C84831D211BFA200805F9F345603B3D016@nswcdlvaex04.nswc.navy.mil> From: Gaske David G DLVA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:50:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" to quote you "but I've thought of a dozen ways to get explosives onto a plane." And you Sir, are a complete idiot. If you are so smart, which you must be to have thought up dozens of ways to get explosives on to an airplane, you should really be in contact with ATF, FAA, FBI, Etc. They need men like you. If we all get together and buy you a ticket will you please show us all how do sneak weapons on!!! Please. -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:40 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case > fuel to the fire: nobody seems to disagree that > there > should be comprehensive airline safety and screening > measures in place to keep the skies safe. what > makes our > highways different? Having done the BWI to Chicago thing this weekend (being my first air trip since the 9/11 incident) I am absolutely amazed ANYONE things it's going to do jack sh*t to stop a terrorist. The measures in place will only catch the moron who doesn't have a ticket or print-out of a web itinerary and doesn't have a photo ID. Seriously, does anybody think both wouldn't be hard to come by? and how does being stopped 3 times to confirm my face matches a potentially fake ID going to do squat? I'm not up to speed on what those xray machines can or can not see but I've thought of a dozen ways to get explosives onto a plane. chocolate covered semtex or C4 in a candy box or semtex and jelly sandwiches (ala P&J) det cord masquerading as ear phones bullets packed inside AAA batteries blasting caps as part of film cartridges or inside same or what have you. And that's just the start. film cannisters as high-voltage capacitors or better yet a nice handheld flashlight that takes those BIG dual-terminal battaries. perfect ignitor source. My wrist-watch as timer... If someone wants to die, there is no end to one's creativity. and if I just want to cause mayhem by say blowing out a cabin wall or a window to cause an air emergency, that's just as useful to someone bent on terrorist activity. I could flush the 'device' down the toilet and have it blow up some time after I leave the john. I find it farcical how the 'authorities' think picture ID confirmation is going to do jack diddly. We have untold millions of people subjecting themselves to search and seasure (random and otherwise) and for what? Note, my film cannisters were never x-rayed. I had them in my pockets and only flashed them when the guard's wand beeped. And somehow federalizing the security monkeys is going to make for more rigourous checks? Ha!! From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 13:02:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1a.TRW.COM (mailhub1a.TRW.COM [129.193.4.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJI2oj16818 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from navieg2.trw.com by mailhub1a.TRW.COM for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:56:56 -0800 Received: from resva-gs1.resva.trw.com ([158.114.112.210]) by navieg2 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 76) with SMTP id M2001111909040417398 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:04:04 -0800 Received: from SITG-GW-Message_Server by resva-gs1.resva.trw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:56:53 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:56:26 -0500 From: "Randy Moran" To: Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkoint Case Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fAJI2uj16819 Mark Kitchell wrote: "Yes, but Randy, you had violated the law, twice. So you had given up those rights. People simply driving along have done nothing to violate the law, therefore these roadblocks are just (unconstitutional?) fishing expeditions." Well, I looked up some Supreme Court rulings on this subject and came up with this: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=000&invol=99-1030 I'm not a lawyer, and the prose had me nodding off fairly quickly, however I was able to glean some basic idea of what they were saying and it seems to be this: Random checkpoints are not by definition unconstitutional, however their stated purpose can make them that way. In the case being argued above, the checkpoint was ruled unconstitutional because the intent was to find illegal drugs, a normal law enforcement function not explicitly related to the policing of roads. However, according to Supreme Court rulings in previous cases, checkpoints set up to catch drunk drivers and/or to check license and registration are just fine because those purposes are in keeping with the police responsibility to keep the roads safe. I think that is what all that mess is saying. Anyway, I'm glad they got the fuck-wit in Dysart's original post and, as far as I'm concerned, they can set up checkpoints all day long. Aside from the occasional forgotten license they won't get jack from me; no drunk driving, no illegal guns, no stolen/expired tags, no expired inspection, no missing county sticker, no suspended license, no nothing, because I keep my shit straight and so should everyone else. RPM From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 13:05:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJI5bj16903 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:07:42 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666AE84@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'sdave@XXXXXX'" , "'KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX'" , "'Gawthrop, Bill'" Subject: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:07:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Yates yammered, "No sense being PO'd at the cops. If you were truly concerned about personal freedom, you'd be writing letters to your legislators weekly opposing every new traffic law, because even a minor traffic infraction carries the possibility of a trip to jail, even if it's only a $5.00 fine for the offense... And it's not one whit for the children, it's so the Pols look like they 'did something' at reelection time. Dave Yates" Write! Write! Write! Addresses, phone numbers and yes, e-mail at: http://www-psy.ucsd.edu/~jhartung/states.html Next year is an election year. (tick, tick, tick) Kathleen Loerich lamented, "You have more faith in 'the system' than I do." Yet, she showed up at whossis "no kids on a motorsickle" proposal and spoke up. Folks like her and Gawthrop will likely pry Abate dues out of me one day. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 13:07:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from FW1.dt.navy.mil (FW1.dt.navy.mil [192.5.27.135]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJI70j16924 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:07:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by FW1.dt.navy.mil; id NAA20715; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(130.46.225.16) by FW1.dt.navy.mil via smap (V5.5) id xma020142; Mon, 19 Nov 01 13:06:50 -0500 Received: from navgate.dt.navy.mil (navgate.dt.navy.mil [130.46.225.15]) by smtprelay.dt.navy.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA30912 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:05:58 -0500 Received: (from silbergejw2k [130.46.162.39]) by navgate.dt.navy.mil (NAVGW 2.5.1.12) with SMTP id M2001111913055812387 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:05:58 -0500 Message-ID: <01c001c17125$4bb6bbc0$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> Reply-To: "Eric Silberg" From: "Eric Silberg" To: References: Subject: Re: more checkpoint banter Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:09:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 If it doesn't NEED to be in / on your vehicle, don't have it there. Keep it nondescript, solid colors, NO bumper stickers, no political statements - nothing that will predispose a cop into thinking something about you before even speaking with you. .... Make sure you're not drawing the most attention. Ok, this is very troublesome to read... Don't have a bumper sticker? Don't make a political statement? Why not go one step farther, don't be black/white/Latino/Jewish/Catholic/etc. because the cop may not like that? Come on! That is what our country is based on! If I want a 3 ft. wide racing stripe down the middle of my car with the words "Socialism Forever" on it, that's my right. Freedom of speech is one of the great tenets that the USA was founded on. By saying you shouldn't exercise that for fear of being searched, stopped or otherwise bothered is an affront to our founding fathers. Don't get me wrong, in no way am I saying you should intentionally insult cops (or anyone else), but changing your [insert whatever] so as not to is not what we're about. If it doesn't NEED to be in/on your vehicle? Do you NEED a motorcycle? Do you NEED a Corvette when a Cavalier ostensibly does the same job? This isn't about needs, it's about choices, and wants. If I WANT it on my vehicle, it can and should be there. Granted, putting a "I hate cops" sticker probably won't get you a cheery response from our friends in blue, but normal expressions of free speech should not change what a LEO does in the course of his or her duty. Come to think of it, it's the cops duty to protect your right to have that, even if they don't like it. Just my 0.02....if it's worth even that much :) Now time to go ride... Eric From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 13:23:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJINXj17173 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-40-70.s70.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.70] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 165t4t-0002rT-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:23:32 -0500 Message-ID: <018301c17127$b8cb9ee0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <7B4C28C84831D211BFA200805F9F345603B3D016@nswcdlvaex04.nswc.navy.mil> Subject: Re: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:22:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaske David G DLVA" > to quote you "but I've thought of a dozen ways to get explosives onto a > plane." > > And you Sir, are a complete idiot. > > If you are so smart, which you must be to have thought up dozens of ways to > get explosives on to an airplane, you should really be in contact with ATF, > FAA, FBI, Etc. Well, since the conspiracy mavens are sure that the NSA reads all our email, no need to contact them, they'll be contacting you. :) They might be in touch for a little chat after an intervening "sneak and peek" search (brought to you by "anti-terrorism" legislation) of your domicile to gather evidence. Moto content: according to news reports some of the material found in al Qaeda hideouts in Afghanistan detailed the use of motorcycles in drive-by style assassinations. Could stops of motorcyclists be justified on such grounds? I notice that some of the Jersey barriers around the Capitol would be really easy to skirt on a bike. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 13:52:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cwd.dcgov.org (msexchange.dcgov.org [151.200.101.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJIqkj17734 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:52:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CWDEXCH0 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:53:44 -0500 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B7950090276269862CF62B@CWDEXCH0> From: lantech To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:53:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Could stops of motorcyclists be justified on such grounds? I notice that some of the Jersey barriers around the Capitol would be really easy to skirt on a bike. It's just a matter of time till some idiot tries getting through those barriers, for some stupid reason like "i was running out of gas." Like the genius in Atlanta who dodged the security checkpoint to go get his camera. Hello? Have you been in a coma for the last 10 weeks? What was this idiot thinking??? My whole thing with cops in general: I have a lot of friends who are cops, I have a lot of respect for cops, even when I don't agree with everything they do, and I think they have the hardest job of anyone at all. So on the rare occasion I get stopped--- pulled over, checkpoint, whatever--- I'm nice and polite and I'm always back on my way in mere minutes. No tickets, either. I think there's a very blurry line between civil rights/liberites and things that are actually priveleges; we're so used to having certain priveleges that we confuse them with rights, but there's a mighty big difference there. When you are exercising one of your privlelges--- say, driving--- you have to exercise certain responsibilities as well, like having a license and having an inspection sticker. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to have to prove these things from time to time. And I am not a fan of "big" government, but government in general has a responsibility to protect us as citizens. We're not supposed to go out and find the drunk drivers, that's what we pay cops to do. So if I get asked a few questions every now and then, just to prove I'm legit, that doesn't really bother me. I lived in Mount Pleasant during the riots (early 1990's), when the neighborhood was under martial law. I was on my way to work after curfew, and the cops required you to carry about 8 forms of ID and 8 more things proving where you were headed. And some of these cops were a little too high-strung for my tastes, but I followed the drill and did what I was supposed to, and even though it was a major hassle, it was certainly better than it had been during the actual riots. I'll gladly show you all the ID you want as long as you're going to stop those punks from lighting my garage on fire again! -patti the lantech From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 14:24:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJJOHj18274 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w037 ([168.144.108.37]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:24:21 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 128.221.131.121 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: more checkpoint banter Sender: "sdave@XXXXXX" From: "sdave@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:24:43 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2001 19:24:22.0127 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAB3D7F0:01C1712F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fAJJORj18275 I yammered - If it doesn't NEED to be in / on your vehicle, don't have it there. Keep it nondescript, solid colors, NO bumper stickers, no political statements - nothing that will predispose a cop into thinking something about you before even speaking with you. .... Make sure you're not drawing the most attention. To which, Eric entered the fray - Ok, this is very troublesome to read... Don't have a bumper sticker? Don't make a political statement? Why not go one step farther, don't be black/white/Latino/Jewish/Catholic/etc. because the cop may not like that? Come on! I was not advocating that everyone should keep their (figurative) mouths shut for the good of society, mind you I was attempting to relay some ways to draw less attention from traffic cops, and not predispose them to writing you a ticket on approaching your vehicle. That is what our country is based on! If I want a 3 ft. wide racing stripe down the middle of my car with the words "Socialism Forever" on it, that's my right. Absolutely, that is your right. If it doesn't NEED to be in/on your vehicle? right. Like crumbled up Whopper wrappers, loose tools, like say, screwdrivers, cartridges leftover from a range day, clutter in general, etc... If it looks like it could cover something, it could be suspicion, or if it just looks out of place in your car??? Do you NEED a motorcycle? Do you NEED a Corvette when a Cavalier ostensibly does the same job? Nope, sure don't (although, I'd be a much less happy motorist). But these vehicles are more often ticketed than warned, more often stopped than less descript vehicles. Is that right ? This isn't about needs, it's about choices, and wants. If I WANT it on my vehicle, it can and should be there. Granted, putting a "I hate cops" sticker probably won't get you a cheery response from our friends in blue, but normal expressions of free speech should not change what a LEO does in the course of his or her duty. Come to think of it, it's the cops duty to protect your right to have that, even if they don't like it. Just my 0.02....if it's worth even that much :) I agree, Eric (not about the $.02). In fact, if I were you, I'd go out & get a car full of offensive bumper stickers - enough to offend everyone, & plaster your vehicles with them ! I'll just leave mine alone... Dave Now time to go ride... Eric -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 14:59:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJJxwj18838 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.120.170.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fAJJuH809327 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:56:17 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011119145742.0261cec0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:59:49 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Troutman Subject: RE: A few updates In-Reply-To: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E250@NCEAEXCHANGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:51 PM 11/19/01, Cedric Bernescut wrote: > >I can't find my damn balaclava though. Neck froze this AM. > >I can imagine how one of those would go over at a checkpoint. Unless, of >course, you're talking about the Eastern dessert, that would go over nicely >if you brought enough all of them :) > >Actually, I wasn't happy with the balaclava I used last year as it was open >over the nose and I felt the coverage wasn't adequate; any local places sell >good ones? I picked mine up at Gallayans (sp?) near Fair Lakes. Mine is an open eye nylon / wool weave, but my nose sneaks out. Neck comes down to my chest where I need it. Very cozy. I think REI has them - and Eastern Mountain Sports used to carry them, but they are out of business. The trick is finding a thin _and_ warm one. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. -- Francis Bacon From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 15:03:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mr4.ash.ops.us.uu.net (mr4.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.89]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJK3Mj18922 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:03:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.39.136.178] by mr4.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.136.178]) id QQlpwa12491 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:03:41 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mail218499@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:02:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Dick E. Anker" Subject: Re: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1205922316==_ma============" --============_-1205922316==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I have watched this insipid thread thread from its inception, and have not felt compelled to respond until now. On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 12:50 , Gaske David G DLVA wrote: And you Sir, are a complete idiot. If you are so smart, which you must be to have thought up dozens of ways to get explosives on to an airplane, you should really be in contact with ATF, FAA, FBI, Etc. They need men like you. If we all get together and buy you a ticket will you please show us all how do sneak weapons on!!! Please. And you, Sir, are a complete asshole. He was merely illustrating that token-knee-jerk measures are no more effective than doing nothing. If you're going to run about calling people idiots, at least demonstrate why that person is an idiot. In your case, you're an asshole because you're running around calling people "idiot" without good cause. See how easy that was? Why don't you quit your dim-witted caterwauling and go jogging or something? Just as long as you stay away from your keyboard. -- Dick E. Anker, Esq. '00 Harris-framed GSXR-955 Streetfighter --============_-1205922316==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpo
I have watched this insipid thread thread from its inception, and have not felt compelled to respond until now.

On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 12:50 , Gaske David G DLVA wrote:

And you Sir, are a complete idiot.

If you are so smart, which you must be to have thought up dozens of ways to
get explosives on to an airplane, you should really be in contact with ATF,
FAA, FBI, Etc.  They need men like you.  If we all get together and buy you
a ticket will you please show us all how do sneak weapons on!!!  Please. 
And you, Sir, are a complete asshole.
He was merely illustrating that token-knee-jerk measures are no more effective than doing nothing. If you're going to run about calling people idiots, at least demonstrate why that person is an idiot. In your case, you're an asshole because you're running around calling people "idiot" without good cause. See how easy that was?  Why don't you quit your dim-witted caterwauling and go jogging or something? Just as long as you stay away from your keyboard.

--
Dick E. Anker, Esq.

'00 Harris-framed GSXR-955 Streetfighter
--============_-1205922316==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 15:19:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com ([168.144.1.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJKJSj19175 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:19:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from M2W075 ([168.144.108.75]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:19:32 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 128.221.131.121 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Sender: "sdave@XXXXXX" From: "sdave@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:19:27 -0500 To: "mail218499@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2001 20:19:32.0158 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FA27DE0:01C17137] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fAJKJTj19176 JUST when you thought it was safe to flame, Anker rears his ugly head ;-) I have watched this insipid thread thread from its inception, and have not felt compelled to respond until now. Pigeon poster ! come here, crap on everything & leave again? On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 12:50 , Gaske David G DLVA wrote: And you Sir, are a complete idiot. .. Anker: And you, Sir, are a complete asshole. IS there such a thing as an INcomplete a$$hole ? He was merely illustrating that token-knee-jerk measures are no more effective than doing nothing. If you're going to run about calling people idiots, at least demonstrate why that person is an idiot. In your case, you're an asshole because you're running around calling people "idiot" without good cause. See how easy that was? Why don't you quit your dim-witted caterwauling and go jogging or something? Just as long as you stay away from your keyboard. I LOVE DC-Cycles. Tire threads, oil threads, chain lube threads, rear brake threads... And Anker. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 15:49:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11107.mail.yahoo.com (web11107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAJKnKj19634 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:49:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011119204918.66576.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:49:18 PST Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:49:18 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: Re: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And in HTML too! A nice touch, I thought. :^) Chris Weaver --- "sdave@XXXXXX" wrote: > JUST when you thought it was safe to flame, Anker > rears his ugly head ;-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 16:47:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJLlWj20571 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:47:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 2.157.44a1785 (18406) for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:47:23 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <157.44a1785.292ad7eb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:47:23 EST Subject: Re: more checkpoint banter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 11/19/2001 11:13:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > Here, you're confusing BAD cops with LAW BREAKING cops. Abolutly correct! Of course either one has the same effect, a lack of respect by the public they cannot do their job without. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 16:58:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJLwnj20734 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:58:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-113-161.s415.tnt8.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.113.161] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 165wRE-0003uC-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:58:48 -0500 Message-ID: <008701c17145$cb3c66e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC Cycles" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011119145742.0261cec0@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: A few updates Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:00:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I have a gen-you-wine Harley Davidson fleece neckwarmer that I wear. I figure everyone needs at least one item of H-D paraphernalia. It's big and fits as far up my chin as I need it to go in addition to the Gerbing jacket liner, which has a nice high neck on it. The heating coils go pretty high up. I find stymieing the considerable updraft off the VFR's stock screen keeps my face warm. People also speak in approving tones of the NOJ Quiet Rider for the same reason, although it does squat for the area below the helmet. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" > At 12:51 PM 11/19/01, Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > >I can't find my damn balaclava though. Neck froze this AM. > > ... > >Actually, I wasn't happy with the balaclava I used last year as it was open > >over the nose and I felt the coverage wasn't adequate; any local places sell > >good ones? > > I picked mine up at Gallayans (sp?) near Fair Lakes. Mine is an open eye > nylon / wool weave, but my nose sneaks out. Neck comes down to my chest > where I need it. Very cozy. I think REI has them - and Eastern Mountain > Sports used to carry them, but they are out of business. The trick is > finding a thin _and_ warm one. From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 17:19:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAJMJMj21137 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 2.119.7ee998c (18406) for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:19:07 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <119.7ee998c.292adf5a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:19:06 EST Subject: Re: A few updates To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 11/19/2001 12:54:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: > I can imagine how one of those would go over at a checkpoint. I have one of those ski masks for those _really_ nasty days/nights. I am scared to death that I will forget and walk into a gas station without taking it off one day. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 19:11:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAK0Bnj22945 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:11:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-14-175.s1191.apx2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.14.175] helo=electraglide) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 165yVu-00070E-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:11:48 -0500 Message-ID: <005001c17157$ede53700$1d00a8c0@cycles.local> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666AE84@DCHQCLEXHQ> Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:11:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > Kathleen Loerich lamented, "You have more faith in 'the system' than I do." > Yet, she showed up at whossis "no kids on a motorsickle" proposal and spoke > up. > Folks like her and Gawthrop will likely pry Abate dues out of me one day. I like the 'pre-emptive' strike. Stop them at the source. That would be legislators. k.loerich From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 19:16:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAK0Gnj23141 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-14-175.s1191.apx2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.14.175] helo=electraglide) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 165yak-0000GG-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:16:48 -0500 Message-ID: <007001c17158$a0c7e480$1d00a8c0@cycles.local> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: References: Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:16:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > Was the "no kids on a motorcycle" proposal a limit to age of passengers on a > bike? I don't remember hearing about that one. > > Did Kathleen represent ABATE in the debate? The 'no kids on motorcycles' started out as a limit on child passengers under the age of 12. The bill at the hearing turned in to a footpeg bill that was defeated 21-0. I attended the meeting at the Damascus Library. I probably mentioned that I was from ABATE there. I testified at the bill's hearing in the House of Delegates and stated that I was an ABATE member. Nearly everyone in the committee already knows who I am and that I am an ABATE member. Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Mon Nov 19 23:28:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11504.mail.yahoo.com (web11504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAK4SDj26841 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:28:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011120042811.65673.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.4] by web11504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:28:11 PST Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:28:11 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: More on VA not using EZ-Pass in Dr. Gridlock To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50746-2001Nov18.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 00:40:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11503.mail.yahoo.com (web11503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAK5eOj27855 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:40:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011120054023.38206.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.4] by web11503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:40:23 PST Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:40:23 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: DCC Archives To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Are the DCC archives going to be up to date at some point? I love the new web site but the archives don't cover anything in the last year. For me I like to look for older e-mails especially since I'm still looking for the guy who bought my girlfriends KZ400 and who STILL has my trickle charger I loaned him. I'm not sure but I'm thinking his name was Juan Fisk. Anyone know this guy? Thanks Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 09:16:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKEGKj05971 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:16:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-122-216-35.s543.apx1k.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.216.35] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 166BhC-0001YJ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:16:19 -0500 Message-ID: <006f01c171ce$5e4d2400$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <20011120042811.65673.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: More on VA not using EZ-Pass in Dr. Gridlock Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:18:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Perhaps a long overdue house-cleaning at VDOT will lead to an attitude adjustment. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Dysart" > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50746-2001Nov18.html > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 10:33:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKFX6j07185 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQlpza29832 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:33:10 GMT Received: from usashexims05.corp.us.uu.net by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: usashexims05.corp.us.UU.NET [153.39.80.16]) id QQlpza24553 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:32:03 GMT Received: by usashexims05.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:22:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Air safety spillover Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:22:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In response to yet another Matthew Patton diatribe, David Gaske said: "If you are so smart, which you must be to have thought up dozens of ways to get explosives on to an airplane, you should really be in contact with ATF, FAA, FBI, Etc. They need men like you." I think not. Paul W. is right...those Bureaus would be more interested in surveilling Mr. Patton than in working with him. Pretty romantic idea, eh Matthew? Perhaps a quaint little militia would be better suited to your fantasies. At least in that realm, your ideas may actually seem novel. Wishing you all a lovely holiday. Sally '01 YZF600R From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 11:23:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKGNWj08119 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:23:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (dhcp-2.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.242]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAKGNUG03460 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:23:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011120104940.03de0328@mail.annapurna.com> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:20:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: RE: Air safety spillover In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Terrorists don't need ideas from dc-cycles. They get more than they could ever use from network news: endless hour-long TV specials on how to spread biohazards, and on and on. Ramped-up airport security is mostly about making us feel better. Long line? Security must be better. What can't you do? Use a plastic fork in the airline terminal. Good thinking. I feel safer. What can you *still* do, even after 9/11? Check a bag on a domestic flight, and NOT GET ON THE PLANE! This amazes me; Curbside baggage check-in is back! Good thinking there! Did the terrorist carry anything past the security checkpoint that they weren't supposed to? No. Therefore we must improve checkpoint security as our primary focus! Riiigghhttt. Where did the terrorists fly from? Dulles and Logan. That's why we closed National. It *seems* less safe to have National open, to someone who doesn't understand how fast aircraft travel. Dulles must be safe -- it's like 20 miles outside of town! How could a plane ever... When we're done screwing around, I hope we start learning from the Israelis. EVERY flight has an armed agent. The AVAILABLE bomb-resistant cargo containers are actually purchased and USED. The cockpit wall is reinforced with Kevlar. How do you get into the cockpit? Exit the plane, and enter the external cockpit door. Try that at 20,000 feet, before the nice man with the gun shoots you in the back of the head. Just ask Boeing for the "El Al" model that they're already building and delivering. Oh, it costs a little more, and you lose about 8 seats in first class to the expanded cockpit -- Is that a problem? And they ask me why I drink. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 12:14:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f20.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKHEMj08956 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:14:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:02:56 -0800 Received: from 153.39.136.178 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:02:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [153.39.136.178] From: "Dick Anker" To: GaskeDG@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:02:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2001 17:02:56.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[337946C0:01C171E5] On Tuesday, November 20, 2001, at 07:53 , Gaske David G DLVA wrote: I am now am blessed to now that you have taken the time to call me an asshole.M- Definition of idiot:M- A mentally deficient person, with intelligence in the lowest measurable range.M- Sitting around and posting ways to sneak explosives onto an airplane pretty much qualifies as being or acting like an idiot. M- Ass: 1. Any of several hoofed mammals of the genus Equus, closed related to the horses and zebras and including the domesticated donkey.M- 2. A foolish or stupid person M- Hole: 1. Cavity in a solidM- 2. an opening or perforation through somethingM- 3. a deep place in a body of waterM- 4. an ugly or squalid dwelling M- So exactly how am I an Ass Hole?M- My one email doesn't prove I am a donkey.M- I was able to type words in a sentence, don;'t think I am stupid.M- I am not a cavity in a solid, I am not an opening, not a body of water, and I am not an ugly or squalid dwelling. M- If you are referring to the part of the body that solid waste leaves the body, you are once again wrong.M- An asshole, or anus, alone cannot typeM- (an anus has no hands), it cannot breath (an anus has not mouth or lungs) nor can it read your email, so you yourself prove I am not an Asshole. M- "Arguing on the internet is like the Special Olympics. You may win, but you're still retarded." I am sorry. Perhaps "ignoramus" or "dunce" would be more appropriate. You have failed to recognize that I called you an "asshole" which is one word. Asshole has two established uses in the American lexicon. You correctly surmised that it does refer to the "part of the body that solid waste leaves the body" or the "anus". I have to guess that you're not from this country, otherwise you'd know that "asshole" is also a vernacular expression that means a "a stupid, incompetent, or detestable person". (Merriam-Webster) The usage of this word in this context dates back to the 14th century. It's too bad that you don't come out from under your rock often enough to know what most school-children know. Ergo, your reasoning that I have proved you not to be an asshole is faulty. I also find it amusing that you would publicly degrade Mr. Patton, (an individual I'm sure you have never met, seeing as he is a rather decent human being), yet respond to your own flogging privately. Perhaps you realize that your arguments are so devoid of any defensive or intellectual value, that you hope to mitigate further embarrassment by only having one person read them. Also, have you written any emails to Tom Clancy? In his book, "Debt of Honor", an airline pilot bent on revenge crashes his airliner into Congress, causing massive damage and wiping out most the American government. So, Mr. Clancy was sitting around and publishing ways to cause wholesale destruction and disruption of the American Government. He must be the biggest idiot of all. They should arrest him for treason or sedition or some or un-American activities. Wow, I never realized what a stinking rat-bastard he is. Thanks for showing me the light! I am overcome with sadness when I realize how many brazen degenerates such as yourself populate this world. Dick E. Anker, Esq. '80 Spondon-framed Turbo-charged KZ1000 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 12:16:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from athena.nswc.navy.mil (athena.nswc.navy.mil [198.91.70.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKHGSj09025 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:16:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (relay.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.41]) by athena.nswc.navy.mil (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fAKHGQg29482 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20366 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from nswcdlvaex01.nswc.navy.mil (nswcdlvaex01.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.204.28]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20349 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by nswcdlvaex01.nswc.navy.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:16:23 -0500 Message-ID: <7B4C28C84831D211BFA200805F9F345603B3D01E@nswcdlvaex04.nswc.navy.mil> From: Gaske David G DLVA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:16:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Actually I don't give a rats ass who reads them, I was trying to keep this off list. And while I have not personally met Mr. Patton, I do believe he is an individual of high morals and character. I base this on his selection of motorcycle (since this is a MOTORCYCLE EMAIL LIST). Also, I believe that Mr. Patton is adult enough to comprehend attacks and such on the internet as being based on humor (had I want to truly attack him, I would have sent him personal email). If you speak for Mr. Patton, please forward to him that all said on this list by myself should not be taken seriously. And for more motorcycle content: Your first massage states you have a '00 Harris-Framed GSXR-955 Streetfighter, yet in your next email it is '80 Spondon-framed Turbo-charged KZ1000. While I have not been on this list long enough, the e-mail's I have received telling me of your exploits on the list makes me wonder if you are even real. I, as well as the other's who have emailed me, would love to continue speaking with you, but take it OFF LIST. If you need attention from the list tell up all the wonders on how you were able to bore out (or sleeve down) a GSXR to 955. Or about you wonderful Spondon Frame. Please do tell. From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 12:30:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.89]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKHUAj09250 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:30:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay02.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id fAKGt6sD000563 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GN40LT00.B3N for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:29:53 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GN40LS00.21I; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:29:52 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:29:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Subject: Time waster. (Non-moto, highly amusing.) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Michael Jordan Message-Id: <266F89C0-DDDC-11D5-B89E-003065B452D2@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fAKHUCj09251 Telnet to towel.blinkenlights.nl For those that need help: from a command prompt/dos window type: telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl press enter sit back and watch Telnet to port 42 for a marvin the paranoid android simulator. Telnet to port 666 for an excuse generator. "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." M-^WErnest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 12:41:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKHfsj09381 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:41:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:42:18 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666AE9F@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Wow Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:42:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain http://blade.bikepics.com/Anonymous-AlmostLostIt-16sec.mpg Words fail me. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 12:50:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKHohj09604 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-47-39.s293.tnt4.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.47.39] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 166F2g-0001Bd-00; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:50:42 -0500 Message-ID: <026701c171ec$50436860$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dick Anker" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:53:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Anker lives! Add that to the list of things to be thankful for this Turkey Day! I thought D.E.Anker, Esq. had left us, but I guess he was just on sabbatical and sharpening his rhetorical skills. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Anker" > > I am sorry. Perhaps "ignoramus" or "dunce" would be more appropriate. You > have failed to recognize that I called you an "asshole" which is one word. > Asshole has two established uses in the American lexicon. ... From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 13:07:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f36.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKI7Vj09906 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:07:21 -0800 Received: from 153.39.136.178 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:07:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [153.39.136.178] From: "Dick Anker" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:07:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2001 18:07:21.0970 (UTC) FILETIME=[33499520:01C171EE] >And for more motorcycle content: Your first massage states you have a '00 >Harris-Framed GSXR-955 Streetfighter, yet in your next email it is '80 >Spondon-framed Turbo-charged KZ1000. While I have not been on this list >long enough, the e-mail's I have received telling me of your exploits on >the >list makes me wonder if you are even real. Rubbish. If I weren't real, than sending me emails would be tantamount to writing letters to Santa Claus. >I, as well as the other's who have emailed me, would love to continue >speaking with you, Really? Who? No else seems to be speaking to me. I don't even here from the inestimable Mr. Gimer any more. Right friendly chap, I daresay. >but take it OFF LIST. No fun in that, is there? >If you need attention from the >list Oh, the "needy for attention" card. Really, that's quite weak. I expect better than that. >tell up all the wonders on how you were able to bore out (or sleeve >down) a GSXR to 955. Magic. >Or about you wonderful Spondon Frame. Please do tell. Mr. Spondon is an old friend of mine. I drafted a few correspondences on his behalf and he gifted me with this wonderful titanium/magnesium frame. I happened to have a spare KZ1000 motor kicking around, and a spare turbo, and had at it. The GSXR is currently on loan to the King of Spain. I hear Jereth is lovely this time of year. Dick. E. Anker, Esq. Pratt & Whitney J57 Turbojet powered 1914 Indian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 13:09:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([204.179.120.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKI9gj09926 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:09:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id fAKI0XZ3012883 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GN42G400.BLZ for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:09:40 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GN42G300.52B for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:09:39 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:09:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Wow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666AE9F@DCHQCLEXHQ> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fAKI9hj09927 On Tuesday, November 20, 2001, at 09:42 , Custer, Carl wrote: > > http://blade.bikepics.com/Anonymous-AlmostLostIt-16sec.mpg > > Words fail me. > Carl in Bethesda I can't remember the guy's name, but he finishes the save and finishes the race! "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." M-^WErnest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 13:10:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14601.mail.yahoo.com (web14601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAKIAlj09939 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:10:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011120181042.81450.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.42.208.145] by web14601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:10:42 PST Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:10:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Knapik Subject: Re: Wow To: "Custer, Carl" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666AE9F@DCHQCLEXHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Double WOW!!!! That doesn't seem possible! Tom in Bethesda --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > > http://blade.bikepics.com/Anonymous-AlmostLostIt-16sec.mpg > > Words fail me. > Carl in Bethesda __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 13:36:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKIa7j10455 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pool-63.49.116.199.bltm.grid.net ([63.49.116.199] helo=cfoatty3) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 166Fkb-000874-00; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:36:05 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c171f2$4ed523a0$c774313f@cfoatty3> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "Dick Anker" , References: Subject: Re: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:36:29 -0500 Organization: CF&O MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Isn't it Jerez (Spain)? Roy D. Turner, Esq. www.cfolaw.com 2001 Yamaha FZ1 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Anker To: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:07 PM Subject: RE: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case > >And for more motorcycle content: Your first massage states you have a '00 > >Harris-Framed GSXR-955 Streetfighter, yet in your next email it is '80 > >Spondon-framed Turbo-charged KZ1000. While I have not been on this list > >long enough, the e-mail's I have received telling me of your exploits on > >the > >list makes me wonder if you are even real. > > Rubbish. If I weren't real, than sending me emails would be tantamount to > writing letters to Santa Claus. > > >I, as well as the other's who have emailed me, would love to continue > >speaking with you, > > Really? Who? No else seems to be speaking to me. I don't even here from the > inestimable Mr. Gimer any more. Right friendly chap, I daresay. > > >but take it OFF LIST. > > No fun in that, is there? > > >If you need attention from the > >list > > Oh, the "needy for attention" card. Really, that's quite weak. I expect > better than that. > > >tell up all the wonders on how you were able to bore out (or sleeve > >down) a GSXR to 955. > > Magic. > > >Or about you wonderful Spondon Frame. Please do tell. > > Mr. Spondon is an old friend of mine. I drafted a few correspondences on his > behalf and he gifted me with this wonderful titanium/magnesium frame. I > happened to have a spare KZ1000 motor kicking around, and a spare turbo, and > had at it. The GSXR is currently on loan to the King of Spain. I hear Jereth > is lovely this time of year. > > Dick. E. Anker, Esq. > Pratt & Whitney J57 Turbojet powered 1914 Indian > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 13:49:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ddlexchange.ddlomni.com ([204.245.128.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKInMj10642 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from jstrang ([204.245.128.170]) by ddlexchange.ddlomni.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:37:18 -0500 From: "Jon Strang" To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." , "Dick Anker" , Subject: RE: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:47:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000501c171f2$4ed523a0$c774313f@cfoatty3> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2001 18:37:18.0562 (UTC) FILETIME=[6223C420:01C171F2] No, he was talking about http://www.lord-jereth.com/ . No accounting for Dick's taste in people. But he has some cool bikes. --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy D. Turner, Esq. [mailto:turnerr@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:36 PM > To: Dick Anker; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case > > > Isn't it Jerez (Spain)? > > Roy D. Turner, Esq. > www.cfolaw.com > 2001 Yamaha FZ1 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dick Anker > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:07 PM > Subject: RE: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case > > happened to have a spare KZ1000 motor kicking around, and a spare turbo, > and > > had at it. The GSXR is currently on loan to the King of Spain. I hear > Jereth > > is lovely this time of year. > > > > Dick. E. Anker, Esq. > > Pratt & Whitney J57 Turbojet powered 1914 Indian > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 13:56:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gothic.answerlogic.com ([65.107.195.197]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKIuIj10743 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by gothic.answerlogic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:51:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: Han Park To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wow Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:51:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain FWIW I've heard through a mailing list that the rider is one Valentino Rossi, so it must be true :). The build of the rider looks about right. If any rider has the talent to do it, it would be Rossi. han -----Original Message----- From: Tom Knapik [mailto:t_knapik@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:11 PM To: Custer, Carl; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wow Double WOW!!!! That doesn't seem possible! Tom in Bethesda --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > > http://blade.bikepics.com/Anonymous-AlmostLostIt-16sec.mpg > > Words fail me. > Carl in Bethesda __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 14:07:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f154.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKJ7vj11048 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:07:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:07:51 -0800 Received: from 153.39.136.178 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:07:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [153.39.136.178] From: "Dick Anker" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:07:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2001 19:07:51.0053 (UTC) FILETIME=[A663B3D0:01C171F6] >Isn't it Jerez (Spain)? I was a bit hasty in responding to Mr. Gaske's email, and made the mistaken of spelling "Jerez" phonetically. Mr. Turner is correct, the famed international GP circuit in Spain is "Jerez". Dick E. Anker, Esq. Pratt & Whitney J57 Turbojet powered 1914 Indian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 15:57:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKKvrj12854 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:57:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cc723123-a.hrngtn1.de.home.com [65.14.253.189]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id fAKKvnB12677; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:57:50 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Han Park , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wow Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:55:31 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01112015553102.29538@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 20 November 2001 13:51, Han Park wrote: > FWIW I've heard through a mailing list that the rider is one Valentino > Rossi, so it must be true :). The build of the rider looks about right. > If any rider has the talent to do it, it would be Rossi. Unless Valentino was slumming somewhere riding an Aprilia Cup Challange bike (Street model RS250) wearing Vanson leathers... I don't think so :) And that's not talent... it's pure luck and forgetting to let go of the bike :) What's really cool is the fact that the front end pushes into the inside gator strip and catches... if that hadn't happened, he would have been toast! - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 15:59:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13805.mail.yahoo.com (web13805.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAKKxkj12859 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:59:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011120205945.96896.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:59:45 PST Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:59:45 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case To: Dick Anker , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jereth is not the phonetic spelling of Jerez. That would probably be Her-ez. Now, how about all of you shut the FUCK up. We are all sick of hitting the delete key. --- Dick Anker wrote: > >Isn't it Jerez (Spain)? > > I was a bit hasty in responding to Mr. Gaske's > email, and made the mistaken > of spelling "Jerez" phonetically. Mr. Turner is > correct, the famed > international GP circuit in Spain is "Jerez". > > Dick E. Anker, Esq. > Pratt & Whitney J57 Turbojet powered 1914 Indian > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 16:01:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11507.mail.yahoo.com (web11507.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAKL1gj12931 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:01:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011120210141.47750.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.52.58.5] by web11507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:01:41 PST Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:01:41 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: More on VA not using EZ-Pass in Dr. Gridlock To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <006f01c171ce$5e4d2400$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For sure, they could use it. Starting with the engineers who go to the trouble to put in the numerous over-passes that still have traffic lights instead of making full cloverleafs!!! Glenn --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Perhaps a long overdue house-cleaning at VDOT will > lead to an attitude > adjustment. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Dysart" > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50746-2001Nov18.html > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 16:22:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1a.TRW.COM (mailhub1a.TRW.COM [129.193.4.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKLMsj13245 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from navieg2.trw.com by mailhub1a.TRW.COM for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:22:07 -0800 Received: from resva-gs1.resva.trw.com ([158.114.112.210]) by navieg2 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 76) with SMTP id M2001112013291711768 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:29:17 -0800 Received: from SITG-GW-Message_Server by resva-gs1.resva.trw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:22:00 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:21:38 -0500 From: "Randy Moran" To: Subject: Jerez - proper pronunciation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fAKLMuj13246 The proper pronunciation of Jerez is "heh-reth," with the stress on the first syllable. In real Spanish, the "z" is pronounced like a "th." RPM From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 16:33:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKLXuj13408 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:33:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w034 ([168.144.108.34]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:34:03 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 128.221.131.121 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Jerez - proper pronunciation Sender: "sdave@XXXXXX" From: "sdave@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:33:55 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2001 21:34:04.0077 (UTC) FILETIME=[1384EDD0:01C1720B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id fAKLXwj13409 The proper pronunciation of Jerez is "heh-reth," with the stress on the first syllable. In real Spanish, the "z" is pronounced like a "th." granted, I learned 'Castillian' (sp?) spanish, but I understood it to be pronounced 'her-ess'. There are subtle differences in spanish dialect, and I'm certainly no authority on it... I'm not familiar with "z" being pronounced as 'th' though... Damn. my buddies that speak spanish are all from S.A. and my spanish teacher retired to a life of travel... Still, I think we're all missing the point here, how could Anker POSSIBLY be wrong ;-) Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 16:56:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f136.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.136]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKLuqj13761 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:56:45 -0800 Received: from 153.39.136.178 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:56:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [153.39.136.178] From: "Dick Anker" To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:56:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2001 21:56:45.0855 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F33C2F0:01C1720E] >Now, how about all of you shut the FUCK up. We are >all sick of hitting the delete key. Mr. Kitchell, why don't YOU shut the FUCK up. Doesn't your local pharmacy carry Midol or Pamprin? Must you always comport yourself like a simpering little crybaby? And since you're so obviously distressed, let me browse on over to Amazon.com and see if I can't find a book on setting up email filters, so you won't be repeatedly subjected to the truly herculean task of reading the subject line, deciding whether to open or delete, and pressing the button on that goddamn typewritey thing on your desk. You spent a lot of time stuffed into lockers as a teen, didn't you? Let me save you and your little "Overused Delete Key Club" the trouble of intelligently using the email client on your shitbox of a machine. I'm done with you and your little confederation of pissants. Everyone, have a happy Thanksgiving holiday. Dick E. Anker, Esq. 1967 ZX-12R engined Munch Mammoth 4TTS trike, with sidecar _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 18:14:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAKNElj14966 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:14:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-43-136-025.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.43.136.25] helo=pltrgyst.xhost.org) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 166K6G-0002Jq-00; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:14:44 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011120180534.00abb1b0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:09:23 -0500 To: "Dick Anker" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:56 PM 11/20/01, Dick Anker wrote: >... I'm done with you and your little confederation of pissants. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hey, I've read that book! By that UVA guy who offed himself without even using a motorcycle! Great literary allusion. Mr. Anker, I'm adopting you as my intellectual role model. Viva Dick! -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 19:09:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAL095j15894 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.42.1db63d4d (659); Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:08:55 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <42.1db63d4d.292c4a96@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:08:54 EST Subject: Re: Jerez - proper pronunciation To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 Randy is correct. If you are from Castille (the province in central Spain with Madrid as the capital) the z is pronounced as a "th" (my wife is from Madrid). It is like the "kings English" for the Spanish language (which is Castillian), so if you are going to speak Spanish, might as well pronounce it in the Castillian manner. It is said that the castillians adopted this manner of speaking in the 1600s when the Spanish king had a lisp. It wasn't adopted all over Spain and obviously not in SA. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 21:01:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAL21Ej17653 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p30.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.30]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA29466 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:01:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Jerez - proper pronunciation Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:55:46 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c1722f$a3e97520$1e82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <42.1db63d4d.292c4a96@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Randy is correct. If you are from Castille (the province in central Spain with Madrid as the capital) the z is pronounced as a "th" (my wife is from Madrid). interesting. The 'll' pronounced 'j' always throws me, but I didn't even know of the 'th' sounding z. Which only serves to remind me that it's been a long time since I actually spoke spanish... except for some... key phrases like - 'Dos cervazas, por favor (is that pronounced cervethas?) ! or 'donde esta el quarto de bano?' Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'una motocycleta mas rapide!'(or something like that) LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 21:28:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAL2Spj18092 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id o.123.7b1d3f0 (659); Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:28:27 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <123.7b1d3f0.292c6b4b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:28:27 EST Subject: Re: Jerez - proper pronunciation To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 In a message dated 11/20/01 9:06:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: << 'Dos cervazas, por favor (is that pronounced cervethas?) ! >> Yes From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 21:48:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9701.mail.yahoo.com (web9701.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.137]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAL2msj18370 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:48:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011121024853.20449.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.77.101] by web9701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:48:53 PST Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:48:53 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: RE: Jerez - proper pronunciation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dave wrote... "Damn. my buddies that speak spanish are all from S.A." San Antonio? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From dc-cycles-request Tue Nov 20 21:51:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAL2pgj18457 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p30.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.30]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA09597; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:51:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Scratch'" , Subject: RE: Jerez - proper pronunciation Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:44:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c17236$6dc03cc0$1e82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <20011121024853.20449.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Dave wrote... "Damn. my buddies that speak spanish are all from S.A." San Antonio? :-) South America... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 21 08:57:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fALDvHj28541 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:57:18 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E26A@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: Cedric Bernescut To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Jerez - proper pronunciation Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:57:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I spent two weeks in Burgos knowing only this phrase. Those Spaniards sure are crazy about bikes (and partying). Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 Annandale, VA << 'Dos cervazas, por favor (is that pronounced cervethas?) ! >> Yes From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 21 10:03:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ddlexchange.ddlomni.com ([204.245.128.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fALF3oj29692 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from jstrang ([204.245.128.170]) by ddlexchange.ddlomni.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:51:43 -0500 From: "Jon Strang" To: , , Subject: RE: Jerez - proper pronunciation Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:02:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <123.7b1d3f0.292c6b4b@aol.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2001 14:51:43.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[08D73230:01C1729C] this is starting to sound like a bad Monty Pyton skit. > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [mailto:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:28 PM > To: sdave@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Jerez - proper pronunciation > > > In a message dated 11/20/01 9:06:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, > sdave@XXXXXX > writes: > > << 'Dos cervazas, por favor (is that pronounced cervethas?) ! >> > > Yes > From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 21 10:06:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fALF6Vj29779 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 2.d5.f514613 (4505) for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:06:19 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:06:18 EST Subject: I'm home from the hospital... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Thanks to all who were concerned about my stay in the hospital. What a great bunch! The short story is I had a low speed (35-40) crash. Jon Strang and I were riding a road with a substantial amount of gravel on it. After a dozen turns or so I went around a left hander and my front end started to slide. I was pissed because I had slowed WAY down due to all the gravel...but not enough I guess. I stopped the slide but went off the road into a ditch. I was flipped over my bike and landed on my back. Knocked the wind out of me for 10-15 seconds. Felt like a fish out of water. I was worried Jon would think I was seriously hurt if I didn't get up soon. I heard him approach and finally got my breath and sat up. He got my bike out of the ditch and surveyed the damage. Not too bad...mostly upper fairing and windshield...mirrors were still there! Weird... It hurt pretty bad to breathe but we decided to try to ride back home. About 65 miles later we made it. Couldn't have done it without Jon as he helped me put on my helmet and stuff...Thanks Jon. I took a shower and still felt bad so my wife took me to the hospital. They saw some stuff in my left lung so they kept me over night. Things went down hill from there. They put a tube in my lung to drain it but it wasn't enough. They took me to surgery to install another in my upper lung. My GI tract shut down so they stuck a tube in my nose down to my stomach to drain it. My heart was getting pretty stressed over all of this. Then I wasn't getting enough O2 so I had to go from a nasal canula to a mask. Needless to say I was getting scared. After 2 weeks they let me come home. My GI tract is still barely working and my stomach is very distended (like I really needed a bigger stomach!) Hopefully in another weeks all will return to normal...so they tell me. I do feel better. Thanks again for all the well wishes...and to Andrew and Judy for the visit. Steve Broadstreet 01 ZX-9R-slightly scuffed...made it through better than me! :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 21 10:12:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9604.mail.yahoo.com (web9604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fALFCsj29890 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:12:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011121151249.17842.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:12:49 PST Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:12:49 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: I'm home from the hospital... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow! Talk about going downhill fast! :-( So did all that happen from your hard landing on the ground? Glad you're home and healing! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > Thanks to all who were concerned about my stay in > the hospital. What a great > bunch! > The short story is I had a low speed (35-40) > crash. Jon Strang and I were > riding a road with a substantial amount of gravel on > it. After a dozen turns > or so I went around a left hander and my front end > started to slide. I was > pissed because I had slowed WAY down due to all the > gravel...but not enough I > guess. I stopped the slide but went off the road > into a ditch. I was flipped > over my bike and landed on my back. Knocked the wind > out of me for 10-15 > seconds. Felt like a fish out of water. I was > worried Jon would think I was > seriously hurt if I didn't get up soon. I heard him > approach and finally got > my breath and sat up. He got my bike out of the > ditch and surveyed the > damage. Not too bad...mostly upper fairing and > windshield...mirrors were > still there! Weird... It hurt pretty bad to breathe > but we decided to try to > ride back home. About 65 miles later we made it. > Couldn't have done it > without Jon as he helped me put on my helmet and > stuff...Thanks Jon. > I took a shower and still felt bad so my wife took > me to the hospital. They > saw some stuff in my left lung so they kept me over > night. Things went down > hill from there. They put a tube in my lung to drain > it but it wasn't enough. > They took me to surgery to install another in my > upper lung. My GI tract shut > down so they stuck a tube in my nose down to my > stomach to drain it. My heart > was getting pretty stressed over all of this. Then I > wasn't getting enough O2 > so I had to go from a nasal canula to a mask. > Needless to say I was getting > scared. After 2 weeks they let me come home. My GI > tract is still barely > working and my stomach is very distended (like I > really needed a bigger > stomach!) Hopefully in another weeks all will return > to normal...so they tell > me. I do feel better. > Thanks again for all the well wishes...and to > Andrew and Judy for the > visit. > > Steve Broadstreet > 01 ZX-9R-slightly scuffed...made it through better > than me! :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 21 10:14:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fALFEdj29907 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:14:40 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E26C@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: Cedric Bernescut To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I'm home from the hospital... Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:14:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Great to hear you're back home and doing OK. You missed: 1. EZ Pass controversy 2. Roadblocks vs. civil rights 3. How to pronounce Jerez No guns, oil, porn names or tire pressure stuff though :) Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 Annandale, VA Thanks again for all the well wishes...and to Andrew and Judy for the visit. Steve Broadstreet 01 ZX-9R-slightly scuffed...made it through better than me! :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 21 10:23:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13807.mail.yahoo.com (web13807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fALFNRj00188 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:23:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20011121152326.48535.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.178.236.82] by web13807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:23:26 PST Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:23:26 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: I'm home from the hospital... To: SBave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Glad you are alright brother! --- SBave@XXXXXX wrote: > Thanks to all who were concerned about my stay in > the hospital. What a great > bunch! > The short story is I had a low speed (35-40) > crash. Jon Strang and I were > riding a road with a substantial amount of gravel on > it. After a dozen turns > or so I went around a left hander and my front end > started to slide. I was > pissed because I had slowed WAY down due to all the > gravel...but not enough I > guess. I stopped the slide but went off the road > into a ditch. I was flipped > over my bike and landed on my back. Knocked the wind > out of me for 10-15 > seconds. Felt like a fish out of water. I was > worried Jon would think I was > seriously hurt if I didn't get up soon. I heard him > approach and finally got > my breath and sat up. He got my bike out of the > ditch and surveyed the > damage. Not too bad...mostly upper fairing and > windshield...mirrors were > still there! Weird... It hurt pretty bad to breathe > but we decided to try to > ride back home. About 65 miles later we made it. > Couldn't have done it > without Jon as he helped me put on my helmet and > stuff...Thanks Jon. > I took a shower and still felt bad so my wife took > me to the hospital. They > saw some stuff in my left lung so they kept me over > night. Things went down > hill from there. They put a tube in my lung to drain > it but it wasn't enough. > They took me to surgery to install another in my > upper lung. My GI tract shut > down so they stuck a tube in my nose down to my > stomach to drain it. My heart > was getting pretty stressed over all of this. Then I > wasn't getting enough O2 > so I had to go from a nasal canula to a mask. > Needless to say I was getting > scared. After 2 weeks they let me come home. My GI > tract is still barely > working and my stomach is very distended (like I > really needed a bigger > stomach!) Hopefully in another weeks all will return > to normal...so they tell > me. I do feel better. > Thanks again for all the well wishes...and to > Andrew and Judy for the > visit. > > Steve Broadstreet > 01 ZX-9R-slightly scuffed...made it through better > than me! :) ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 21 10:25:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fALFP6j00216 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-45-7.s261.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.45.7] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 166ZFF-00025Y-00; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:25:02 -0500 Message-ID: <014f01c172a1$20a0e140$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Jon Strang" , References: Subject: Re: Jerez - proper pronunciation Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:28:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 As George and Ira would have put it: "You say He-reth, I say Jeres, let's call the whole thing off." Anyone up for a Friday ride up 211 and through the Fort Valley or something? Weather looks crappy on Saturday. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Strang" > this is starting to sound like a bad Monty Pyton skit. From dc-cycles-request Wed Nov 21 10:25:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from atlantic.va.grci.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [199.89.132.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fALFP5j00215 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from kkightlylt (dtd118.va.grci.com [198.22.152.118]) by atlantic.va.grci.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id fALFP3S01253 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:25:03 -0500 From: "kkightly" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 11/20/01 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:22:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c172a0$5adc37c0$769816c6@va.grci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200111210000.fAL002F15745@dirty.meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Gentlemen and ladies... it's actually "Jerez de la frontera" Wonderful bodega's and a wonderful seaside atmosphere. Great motorcycle rides through sleepy Spanish seaside towns. All comments aside, I hope everyone has a peacefull and safe Thanksgiving. Lurking as usual... Kurt 95 kawi Concours -----Original Message----- From: The dc-cycles list administrator [mailto:dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 7:00 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 11/20/01 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX |_| --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:11:39 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > Kathleen Loerich lamented, "You have more faith in 'the system' than I do." > Yet, she showed up at whossis "no kids on a motorsickle" proposal and spoke > up. > Folks like her and Gawthrop will likely pry Abate dues out of me one day. I like the 'pre-emptive' strike. Stop them at the source. That would be legislators. k.loerich _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:16:39 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > Was the "no kids on a motorcycle" proposal a limit to age of passengers on a > bike? I don't remember hearing about that one. > > Did Kathleen represent ABATE in the debate? The 'no kids on motorcycles' started out as a limit on child passengers under the age of 12. The bill at the hearing turned in to a footpeg bill that was defeated 21-0. I attended the meeting at the Damascus Library. I probably mentioned that I was from ABATE there. I testified at the bill's hearing in the House of Delegates and stated that I was an ABATE member. Nearly everyone in the committee already knows who I am and that I am an ABATE member. Kathleen Loerich _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:28:11 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: More on VA not using EZ-Pass in Dr. Gridlock To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50746-2001Nov18.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:40:23 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: DCC Archives To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Are the DCC archives going to be up to date at some point? I love the new web site but the archives don't cover anything in the last year. For me I like to look for older e-mails especially since I'm still looking for the guy who bought my girlfriends KZ400 and who STILL has my trickle charger I loaned him. I'm not sure but I'm thinking his name was Juan Fisk. Anyone know this guy? Thanks Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Paul Wilson" To: Subject: Re: More on VA not using EZ-Pass in Dr. Gridlock Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:18:36 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Perhaps a long overdue house-cleaning at VDOT will lead to an attitude adjustment. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Dysart" > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50746-2001Nov18.html > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Air safety spillover Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:22:29 -0500 In response to yet another Matthew Patton diatribe, David Gaske said: "If you are so smart, which you must be to have thought up dozens of ways to get explosives on to an airplane, you should really be in contact with ATF, FAA, FBI, Etc. They need men like you." I think not. Paul W. is right...those Bureaus would be more interested in surveilling Mr. Patton than in working with him. Pretty romantic idea, eh Matthew? Perhaps a quaint little militia would be better suited to your fantasies. At least in that realm, your ideas may actually seem novel. Wishing you all a lovely holiday. Sally '01 YZF600R _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:20:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: RE: Air safety spillover Terrorists don't need ideas from dc-cycles. They get more than they could ever use from network news: endless hour-long TV specials on how to spread biohazards, and on and on. Ramped-up airport security is mostly about making us feel better. Long line? Security must be better. What can't you do? Use a plastic fork in the airline terminal. Good thinking. I feel safer. What can you *still* do, even after 9/11? Check a bag on a domestic flight, and NOT GET ON THE PLANE! This amazes me; Curbside baggage check-in is back! Good thinking there! Did the terrorist carry anything past the security checkpoint that they weren't supposed to? No. Therefore we must improve checkpoint security as our primary focus! Riiigghhttt. Where did the terrorists fly from? Dulles and Logan. That's why we closed National. It *seems* less safe to have National open, to someone who doesn't understand how fast aircraft travel. Dulles must be safe -- it's like 20 miles outside of town! How could a plane ever... When we're done screwing around, I hope we start learning from the Israelis. EVERY flight has an armed agent. The AVAILABLE bomb-resistant cargo containers are actually purchased and USED. The cockpit wall is reinforced with Kevlar. How do you get into the cockpit? Exit the plane, and enter the external cockpit door. Try that at 20,000 feet, before the nice man with the gun shoots you in the back of the head. Just ask Boeing for the "El Al" model that they're already building and delivering. Oh, it costs a little more, and you lose about 8 seats in first class to the expanded cockpit -- Is that a problem? And they ask me why I drink. /// Rob _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Originating-IP: [153.39.136.178] From: "Dick Anker" To: GaskeDG@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Air safety spillover - Re: Latest Virginia Checkpoint Case Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:02:56 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2001 17:02:56.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[337946C0:01C171E5] On Tuesday, November 20, 2001, at 07:53 , Gaske David G DLVA wrote: I am now am blessed to now that you have taken the time to call me an asshole.M- Definition of idiot:M- A mentally deficient person, with intelligence in the lowest measurable range.M- Sitting around and posting ways to sneak explosives onto an airplane pretty much qualifies as being or acting like an idiot. M- Ass: 1. Any of several hoofed mammals of the genus Equus, closed related to the horses and zebras and including the domesticated donkey.M- 2. A foolish or stupid person M- Hole: 1. Cavity in a solidM- 2. an opening or perforation through somethingM- 3. a deep place in a body of waterM- 4. an ugly or squalid dwe