From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 00:21:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00278; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22622; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07674 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.58] (unverified [207.226.128.58]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 01 May 1998 00:19:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply -Reply Date: Fri, 1 May 98 00:22:24 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >That was back when _Motorcyclist_ was a great magazine. Between Joe >Minton's wrenching and actual tests of useful motorcycle products, it >really filled a need. > >Now it seems that all it has is multiple COMPAROS!!!! and SHOOTOUTS!!!! >with more exclamation points than substance. Seems like that is what all of the moto mags are these days. Only one I can tolerate on a regular basis is RiDE (Brit Mag). Unfortunately, it ain't cheap. BTW, haven't seen enough of MCN to offer a good opinion. Except to say that the guy who wrote the articles 'From the Other Side of the Counter' seemed to be quite full of crap. I think we've all seen courteous, helpful, (relatively) inexpensive bike shops in addition to our fair share of ACPs. This guy had such a penchant for making excuses for poor behaviour that he should have been a politician. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 00:21:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00276; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22626; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07677 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.58] (unverified [207.226.128.58]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 01 May 1998 00:19:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: coil problem Date: Fri, 1 May 98 00:22:29 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Yes it is. You really ought to have a shop manual, especially if you are >working on a bike and don't know the answer to your question. Clymers are >decent, but you cna't beat a factory manual, regardless of price. Tells me that you haven't bought a BMW oilhead manual. $140 and it still doesn't help for s#!t. Maybe if you have a GS or an RT, but not for the roadsters. The hue and cry has been so bad that the Presidents have gotten Clymer's (or Haynes, or both?) to come out with what is supposed to be a top notch manual. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 00:21:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00287; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22630; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07682 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.58] (unverified [207.226.128.58]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 01 May 1998 00:19:33 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: headlight bulbs, was Re: Considerate Cagers(?)...not Date: Fri, 1 May 98 00:22:31 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: cc: "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >the lights make on the wall, then >back 20 ft away and line the hot spot up with your mark. If you can't find >a good place to do this, I know a parking garage in Rockville.... The office I work at shares a parking lot with Pep Boys. Will probably do it behind there one night. Thanks for the tip. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 00:21:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00285; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22634; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07686 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.58] (unverified [207.226.128.58]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 01 May 1998 00:19:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Got my 400 street-able again (long) Date: Fri, 1 May 98 00:22:36 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "horkster" cc: "DC Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" How does one decide what sorta caliper is a good replacement? I'm pondering ripping apart the calipers on the Wing, and seeing if there's something inside preventing me from getting a good bleed (also need to pull calipers off and drain them upside down). But, if I get into it, and find that the cylinders are too far gone, it'll be replacement time. >As the two of us rode off into the night, I couldn't help but think >that not quite two years ago, *I* was the newbie learning to ride on >that >little KZ. I was glad to see it fill that role at least one more time. Same way I feel about the Eliminator. Hard to believe that you just learned two years ago. I figured you for a seasoned veteran, when in actuality, you are simply One Who Was Until Recently A Newbie (OWWURAN for anybody who wants to add a new acronym to the collection) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 00:21:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00289; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22638; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07694 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.58] (unverified [207.226.128.58]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 01 May 1998 00:19:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: headlight bulbs, was Re: Considerate Cagers(?)...not Date: Fri, 1 May 98 00:22:38 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "MotorLE" , , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I know lots of people use these, but I'm not so sure how good of an idea it >is. On some bikes, these bulbs are too much for the wiring harness. Twice >I've >seen harnesses that were melted near the bulb socket. In both cases, the >bikes >had bulbs with high wattage low beams. One was a BMW, the other a Ducati. >True, it was only twice in the whole time I worked in shops, but still... Lots of discussion on the other lists I'm on, and to be honest, it seems VERY hit or miss. Maybe depends on who supplied the bulb socket that day or something like that. I would also imagine that moving would help to cool the headlight a bit, whereas lots of stop and go will be bad. I need to fix my running lights anyway this weekend, so maybe I'll look at the socket while I'm in the area. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 01:02:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA00639; Fri, 1 May 1998 01:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23057; Fri, 1 May 1998 01:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA08338 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 01:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.44] (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 01 May 1998 01:00:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: re:bulbs, etc... Date: Fri, 1 May 98 01:03:36 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "CloudsAbv9" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" The aim on my BMW has been knackered since getting it. I think it's just that I've never adapted to the asymmetric pattern. Gonna try Kevin's aiming tip this weekend. Be careful with those 'blue bulbs'. The cheap ones simply have a blue tinted glass, which lessens the lumens put out by the bulb. The real bulbs in the Lincoln's and MB's are not halogen bulbs at all, but xenon (?) or some similar setup. While they may look similar, the expensive MB and Lincoln bulbs are NOT just bulbs with a blue tint. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 07:05:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02636; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24854; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11751 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:04:47 -0400 (EDT) From: tjoseph@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA17199 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 06:04:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vna-va15-44.ix.netcom.com(207.223.179.108) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017191; Fri May 1 06:04:00 1998 Message-ID: <3549D62F.512F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 07:03:27 -0700 Organization: NETCOM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Stolen Bike! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow Riders: Last night one of my bikes was stolen in Washington, DC. 1974 Honda CB750 K4 Sunrise Metalflake Orange DC Tag: 8753M VIN: CB7502358847 DC Police Report #225193 Bike is completely original and stock, with the exception of alloy rim/stainless spoke wheels, and a plexi-windshield. On the off chance somebody spots it riding, parked, or in someone's garage or pickup truck, please contact me at (202) 234-4312 or (202) 720-4978, or call the police ASAP. I'm sure you all know how lousy I feel this morning knowing some bastard is probably chopping up this beauty right now. Thanks in advance for your help. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 07:44:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02779; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24949; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12030 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from krosenba.erols.com (207-172-73-86.s86.tnt1.man.erols.com [207.172.73.86]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA27559; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980501074243.007b8600@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 07:42:43 -0400 To: George Howell , "MotorLE" , , "DC Cycles" From: Karl Rosenbaum Subject: Re: headlight bulbs, was Re: Considerate Cagers(?)...not In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:22 AM 05/01/1998 -0400, George Howell wrote: >>I know lots of people use these, but I'm not so sure how good of an idea it >>is. On some bikes, these bulbs are too much for the wiring harness. Twice >>I've >>seen harnesses that were melted near the bulb socket. In both cases, the >>bikes >>had bulbs with high wattage low beams. One was a BMW, the other a Ducati. >>True, it was only twice in the whole time I worked in shops, but still... > >Lots of discussion on the other lists I'm on, and to be honest, it seems >VERY hit or miss. Maybe depends on who supplied the bulb socket that day >or something like that. I would also imagine that moving would help to >cool the headlight a bit, whereas lots of stop and go will be bad. I need >to fix my running lights anyway this weekend, so maybe I'll look at the >socket while I'm in the area. I would be very leery of putting anything other than stock in a BMW. I just coughed up $98 to replace the headlight switch that MELTED with the 80/100. On another list that I subscribe to, they recommend that the headlight be on its own relay before doing this. The contacts on my switch were melted together and the solder run was one continuos blob. So I changed the switch and I am running a 55/60 in there until I can get some relays installed. YMMV. PS > Maybe some of the other bikes out there have the headlight on a relay ... I just know from experience that the BMW's do not. Regards, Karl Rosenbaum Woodbridge, Va 94 K1100LTA - name-less for now BMWRA,BMWMOA,BMWBMW, AMA krosenba@XXXXXX http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 07:57:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02813; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25048; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p-pms404.navsea.navy.mil (known pms404bdc.navsea.navy.mil [140.195.162.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12193 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by p-pms404.navsea.navy.mil (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Workgroup) id 00000B9B; Fri, 1 May 98 07:57:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 07:55:33 -0700 Message-ID: <00000B9B.10047@p-pms404.navsea.navy.mil> From: Patton_Jim@XXXXXX (Patton_Jim) Subject: Motorcycles and Bicycle Races To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: louis@XXXXXX, jtarbert@XXXXXX (John Tarbert), kleidy@XXXXXX (Kirk Leidy), moto2@XXXXXX (Dave & Judy Miller) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part DC-Cycles list readers, You've all seen a couple of posts on the topic, this is one more with some details. I've been involved in the sport for more than 20 years -- the bicycle thing that is. I've been using a motor to support the sport for more than seven years. I average more than 15K/year in support of races up and down the east coast. Why do we do it? The motorcycles size and maneuverability make it an ideal support vehicle. We can easily work around the cyclists w/o endangering them or us. It's also the BEST place to watch this sport! What do we do? On the local level, we are the noise and lights in front of the event -- bicycles are basically small, quiet and even harder to see than a scooter. We keep cars from backing out of driveways into the race. We hold cars at stop signs. We convince dogs that playing with the racers isn't really interesting. We warn the riders about hazards ahead. How much time is involved? All race days are different but you can plan on spending a full day at an event. For big events, we spend a week or more on the road -- a traveling circus atmosphere. Why are so many BMWs involved? Since our days are frequently very long, the BMW is a comfortable and reliable machine. If you are comfortable on you scooter for an full day, it will work. Little gas tanks (stopping for gas during an event limits your usefulness) and loud pipes are discouraged (we're there to help the riders and we do need to talk with them). Is there money involved? Yes there is, but don't give up your day job. As a marshal (escort) you can plan on $25-50/day. The number goes up as your distance traveled goes up. As a referee, you are paid mileage ($0.30/mile and a small fee). And the promoter units usually feed us. For the long events, they also cover housing. The Bottom Line? You get to ride all day, have your expenses covered and be thanked for your effort by a couple of hundred athletes. How to you get involved? I recommend the clinic on 5/23. I'll be the instructor. The details are below. It is a great time to get all of your questions answered. This is the ONLY clinic in the area until next spring. Jim Patton ************************* 1997 Entry Level Official's Clinic Planned A entry level (Category 4) USCF Official's Clinic has been scheduled for May 23, 1998. The course will cover all aspect of being a USCF Official, including motorcycle referee duties for those interested. Following the classroom portion of the class a licensing exam will be given. Each attendee will receive handouts of presentation materials. To cover the costs of the seminar, a $5.00 fee will be charged for each attendee. For new officials, the license fee is $35 (payable by check payable to "USCF" after course completion). If you currently hold a USAC (USCF or NORBA) license the fee is only $15. If you are a licensed official and would like to use the clinic as a refresher, you are welcome to attend if space is available. If you are an Cat 4 official who wants to upgrade, the upgrade session will be scheduled in the near future -- promise! Agenda: 08:30-Noon Introduction to Bicycle Race Officiating, Part 1 Noon-12:30 Lunch (Please bring a bag lunch) 12:30-1:30 Introduction to Bicycle Race Officiating, Part 2 1:30-2:30 Category 4 Exam 2:30-5:00 Motorcycles and Bicycle Racing (Interested folks only need stay) Directions: CROFTON TOWN HALL, Crofton, MD - From Rt. 3 turn South on Rt 424 (K-Mart Shopping Center). Turn Right on Duke of Kent Street (second traffic signal). The Town Hall is on your left at the "T" intersection with Crofton Parkway. COURSE SIGN-UP -- To ensure that adequate materials are available, please contact Jim Patton by 5/15/98. Questions? Problems? Contact Jim Patton, 410-721-7650 (home, before 9:00 p.m.), or e-mail (PattonJ@XXXXXX). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 08:24:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02937; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25389; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12694 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A7DBB70328; Wed, 01 May 1996 08:23:55 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980501082615.00f4b5c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 08:26:15 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Bike Mags [was: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:22 AM 5/1/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Seems like that is what all of the moto mags are these days. Only one I >can tolerate on a regular basis is RiDE (Brit Mag). Unfortunately, it >ain't cheap. BTW, haven't seen enough of MCN to offer a good opinion. >Except to say that the guy who wrote the articles 'From the Other Side of >the Counter' seemed to be quite full of crap. I think we've all seen >courteous, helpful, (relatively) inexpensive bike shops in addition to >our fair share of ACPs. This guy had such a penchant for making excuses >for poor behaviour that he should have been a politician. My favorite magazines are _Rider_ and _Motorcycle Consumer News_. I like the editorials in _Rider_, though they don't do for me what they used to. MCN is the most regularly useful motorcycle magazine I've ever found - their signal to noise ratio is fantastic (though they do make mistakes - they tested winter gloves once by measuring how fast a plastic bag of hot water in the glove would lose heat. And they didn't include the fact that motorcyclists have cold air blowing over their gloves. Oops. They re-did the tests and got a different winner.) Where can I get a sample copy of RiDE? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 08:24:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02935; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25390; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12693 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A7DAB70328; Wed, 01 May 1996 08:23:54 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980501081912.00eedca0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 08:19:12 -0400 To: "dc-cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: headlight bulbs, was Re: Considerate Cagers(?)...not In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980430170610.006cb174@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:06 PM 4/30/98 -0400, klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: >Maybe you should re-aim your headlight. Hella says to pull up >against a wall and mark the "hot spot" the lights make on the wall, then >back 20 ft away and line the hot spot up with your mark. If you can't find >a good place to do this, I know a parking garage in Rockville.... My aiming method is to set the headlight so the upper cutoff of the beam is at the top of the trunk / bottom of the rear window of most cars as I pull up behind them at traffic lights. This way, as the motorcycle front end rises and falls with throttle/brakes and road bumps, my headlight appears to randomly flash to oncoming drivers. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 08:49:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03127; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25576; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13044 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm2-14.dial.nova.org (pm2-14.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.238]) by beta.nova.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19615 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:49:03 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Mags [was: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply -Reply Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 12:49:21 GMT Message-ID: <354bc3bd.265036619@mailgate.nova.org> References: <3.0.1.32.19980501082615.00f4b5c0@mail.toward.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980501082615.00f4b5c0@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 01 May 1998 08:26:15 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >Where can I get a sample copy of RiDE? Barnes and Noble sells RiDE. I think BIKE is similar (both being general bike mags) as well and you can pick that up at Borders. Tower Records/Books stock them all as well. For the sport bike crowd Performance Bikes is a winner (although you have to either enjoy or be able to get past all the sexual imagery - and occasionally ugly nude british women to enjoy the magazine). Any of these brit mags will cost you $6-7 each. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 08:55:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03165; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25637; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13139 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA04436 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 05:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3549C5BA.628F01C8@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 08:53:14 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Mags [was: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply -Reply References: <3.0.1.32.19980501082615.00f4b5c0@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Like George, I like the Brit mags... "Superbike" is way cool... the brits aren't afraid to rayally thrash the test bikes given to them then write articles about how crashworthy they are... as a bonus they always have at least one poster in the mag with a barely clad or not clad at all woman draped across a bike..sorry ladies..no guys on them bikes :) It's spendy as well, at $7 a mag, I usually just leaf through it at the bookstore... Then there's Roadracing World. It has articles ranging the spectrum from awesome to crap, but always entertaining. As the title implies though, it is very much racing oriented.. -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 09:35:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03476; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25844; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13880 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id JAA02391; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3549CFEA.58485285@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 09:36:43 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "\"Michael R. Cecchini\"" , "cbxturbo@XXXXXX" , Erich Lorenz , "Griff, David" , "Kevin O'Brien" , "Lisa@XXXXXX" Subject: After MC Accident Advice needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My wife and I need some advice. Yesterday on her way home she was hit while riding home on Wisconsin ave. I was not there so I can only go by what she says. First near the Ramada in Bethesda the woman driving the car tapped her rear wheel while sitting in traffic. Then a mile down the road in front of NIH the woman changed lanes into her at about 15 mph, it pushed my wife away from the car and down. When my wife got it together and stood up the woman told her "Puttum up I gonna kick your ass". Another rider who was in a cage stopped, split them up and called the cops. There are 2 people who gave there info and said they saw the hole thing and the woman hit her. My wife is pretty sure it was malicious. Neither of the witness said anything about the first tap and my wife did not mention it to the cop. The cop did not place blame on either person The bike (a 91 ZX6) lots a turn signal where she was hit and scraped up the front lower, upper, the front turn signal and the after market pipe. My wife is OK she had on a leather jacket and jeans and only has a raspberry on her elbow and a few bruises. After the we left the hospital I took her back to the bike. then she freaked me out, SHE RODE IT HOME!! Did I marry a tuff girl or what. the questions now are: does she press criminal charges for vehicular assault? Do we sue civilly her? Do we talk to a lawyer or or insurance co.? Can we ask her insurance co. for a rental bike till hers is fixed? Can we bill for scuffed jeans, scuffed helmet, torn jacket zippers and such? Or should we just get her address and do burnout's in front of her house? Or all of the above? Thanks for your help and input we will keep you posted. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 09:51:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03626; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26231; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14343 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id 1USNa02436 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:50:52 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <4c8ef504.3549d33d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:50:52 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: headlight bulbs, was Re: Considerate Cagers(?)...not Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 >Maybe some of the other bikes out there have the headlight on a relay >... I just know from experience that the BMW's do not. Actually, lots of BMWs have a headlight relay. Mine does. It is attached to the low beam circuit only. I think it's all the air cooled twins after '74 that have them. I admit that I'm not sure about the K models and the oil heads. Yikes, I used to know all this junk by heart! Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 09:52:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03634; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26286; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14364 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yVGEz-0000MZ-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:52:41 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:51:11 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EB73@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'jay goddard'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Lisa@XXXXXX Subject: RE: After MC Accident Advice needed Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:51:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain What a jerk!! I hope your wife kicked her ass!! I wish I was there with her!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: jay goddard [SMTP:goddardj@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, May 01, 1998 9:37 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; "Michael R. Cecchini"; cbxturbo@XXXXXX; > Erich Lorenz; Griff, David; Kevin O'Brien; Lisa@XXXXXX > Subject: After MC Accident Advice needed > > My wife and I need some advice. Yesterday on her way home she was hit > while riding home on Wisconsin ave. I was not there so I can only go > by > what she says. First near the Ramada in Bethesda the woman driving > the > car tapped her rear wheel while sitting in traffic. Then a mile down > the road in front of NIH the woman changed lanes into her at about 15 > mph, it pushed my wife away from the car and down. When my wife got > it > together and stood up the woman told her "Puttum up I gonna kick your > ass". Another rider who was in a cage stopped, split them up and > called > the cops. There are 2 people who gave there info and said they saw > the > hole thing and the woman hit her. My wife is pretty sure it was > malicious. Neither of the witness said anything about the first tap > and > my wife did not mention it to the cop. The cop did not place blame on > either person > > The bike (a 91 ZX6) lots a turn signal where she was hit and scraped > up > the front lower, upper, the front turn signal and the after market > pipe. My wife is OK she had on a leather jacket and jeans and only > has > a raspberry on her elbow and a few bruises. After the we left the > hospital I took her back to the bike. then she freaked me out, SHE > RODE > IT HOME!! Did I marry a tuff girl or what. > > the questions now are: > does she press criminal charges for vehicular assault? > Do we sue civilly her? > Do we talk to a lawyer or or insurance co.? > Can we ask her insurance co. for a rental bike till hers is fixed? > Can we bill for scuffed jeans, scuffed helmet, torn jacket zippers and > such? > Or should we just get her address and do burnout's in front of her > house? > Or all of the above? > > Thanks for your help and input we will keep you posted. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 10:01:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03725; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26641; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14586 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA10014 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA05493 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.59]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980501140026.PHJC2485@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:00:26 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: After MC Accident Advice needed Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:00:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bd7509$7d118ea0$3b5420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3549CFEA.58485285@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Get a lawyer, first. My opinion is, do all the rest later (especially the burnouts - and if you need any help, just post to the list). What was the precipitating event? Did this woman have something against bikers? This is a pretty bizarre occurrence. The cop should be notified of the first hit to establish intent. And, yeah. You married a tough one. More power to her. -----Original Message----- From: jay goddard [mailto:goddardj@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, May 01, 1998 9:37 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; "Michael R. Cecchini"; cbxturbo@XXXXXX; Erich Lorenz; Griff, David; Kevin O'Brien; Lisa@XXXXXX Subject: After MC Accident Advice needed My wife and I need some advice. Yesterday on her way home she was hit while riding home on Wisconsin ave. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 10:07:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03803; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26753; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14782 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA22810; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3549D6B4.BB0076CC@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 10:05:40 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles , "balt-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: EX500 exhaust Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alrighty... I'm nearly there. I pick up the frame and forks for the 500 tonight (Franken thumper on hold.. I just wanna get riding again). I still need to track down an exhaust for an EX500. Stock, aftermarket, anything...so long as it's not tooo expensive. Anyone got any leads? As for franken thumper, when I go back to Oklahoma for a visit this summer, I think I can pick up another 500 engine from an old high school buddy that crashed one a few years back... -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 10:40:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04137; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27189; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15805 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA25221 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:40:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:40:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: After MC Accident Advice needed In-Reply-To: <3549CFEA.58485285@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jay -- Sorry to hear about this idiocy! It's too bad your wife didn't realize the trouble in time to just get the hell out of there. There are some seriously pain-crazed people out there! My vote: Your first step is to talk to a lawyer. Be sure to take copious notes, photographs, and record anything else that documents the situation. Write it all down, with dates and times, in a special notebook. Any violence directed at that unfortunate low-life attacker will just widen the circle of pain. You're not dealing with what I'd call a rational person, so be very careful... -ph From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 10:42:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04169; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27202; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15847 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:42:10 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852565F7.0050E16F ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:43:25 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: gixer@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852565F7.00504E06.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:43:23 -0400 Subject: Re: EX500 exhaust Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Collin try to find an EX500 oriented internet group. I bet a lot of them will have replaced their original exhaust system with an accessory one. I bet they would sell it for a song. The V-max list I'm on has people offering their old stock systems for dirt cheap. Just the megaphone portion of the system sells for over $600 from the factory. I see people offering it for around $100. Good luck Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 10:46:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04243; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27250; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15941 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA22592; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:46:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-28.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.92) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma022566; Fri May 1 09:46:01 1998 Message-ID: <354940AA.237F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:25:30 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jay goddard Subject: Re: After MC Accident Advice needed References: <3549CFEA.58485285@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jay goddard wrote: > > My wife and I need some advice. Yesterday on her way home she was hit > while riding home on Wisconsin ave. I was not there so I can only go by > what she says. First near the Ramada in Bethesda the woman driving the > car tapped her rear wheel while sitting in traffic. Then a mile down > the road in front of NIH the woman changed lanes into her at about 15 > mph, it pushed my wife away from the car and down. When my wife got it > together and stood up the woman told her "Puttum up I gonna kick your > ass". Another rider who was in a cage stopped, split them up and called > the cops. There are 2 people who gave there info and said they saw the > hole thing and the woman hit her. My wife is pretty sure it was > malicious. Neither of the witness said anything about the first tap and > my wife did not mention it to the cop. The cop did not place blame on > either person > > The bike (a 91 ZX6) lots a turn signal where she was hit and scraped up > the front lower, upper, the front turn signal and the after market > pipe. My wife is OK she had on a leather jacket and jeans and only has > a raspberry on her elbow and a few bruises. After the we left the > hospital I took her back to the bike. then she freaked me out, SHE RODE > IT HOME!! Did I marry a tuff girl or what. > > the questions now are: > does she press criminal charges for vehicular assault? Highly unlikely you will get any assistance from DC courts for that. you did not mention if an accident report was taken. If there was immediately get a copy of the report and determine if at least there was the fault of the cage driver indicated. If no report at all was taken, get an attorney YESTERDAY!!!, because you are basically screwed if this women was as difficult as you indicate. Your only remedy will be Civil litigation.. In VA under those circumstances an accident report would have been mandatory because there were injuries involved and routinely if fault can be assigned traffic charges will be made. but in DC, you may basically be screwed. > Do we sue civilly her? This may be all you can do if the Cop didnt bother filing a report and establishing fault. > Do we talk to a lawyer or or insurance co.? Her Insurance company,if a DC driver bothers having insurance wont do anything to help you unless they are forced to. Especially if the cager blames your wife for the accident. > Can we ask her insurance co. for a rental bike till hers is fixed? Good luck, that means they are admitting liability, Highly unlikely from what you have described. > Can we bill for scuffed jeans, scuffed helmet, torn jacket zippers and > such? See above > Or should we just get her address and do burnout's in front of her > house? Id thnk of something better than that. Maybe taking pictures of her house when you tell her you plan on owning it soon !! > Or all of the above? You didnt really provide enough concrete info, like whether or not an accident report was taken, was fault assigned. Why werent charges made ? You will need all that info. Also make sure the injuries were recorded on the accident report regardless of how minor. You need to contact your insurance company and discuss with them your options. yopu may very well have to go after her civilly.... A word of advice. Unless its a single veh accident and you dont want it on your Drivers Transcript , Insist on an accident report , especially if your hit by cager while riding if there is any injury/road rash. In Va its discretionary if there is only property damage, but if you are injured a report must be filed. And routinely the at fault party, hopefully the cager, will be cited. Then you both will appear in traffic court. If the auto driver pleads guilty, you can then use this in any civil case. If they plead not guilty but are fouond guilty, although the verdict cant be used against them in civil court, it gives you a good idea about the strength of your case. If for some reason they are found not guilty, or the case is dismissed, do not despair, Civil cases have a much lower burden of proof than cases in Traffic Court. > > Thanks for your help and input we will keep you posted. -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 11:15:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04654; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28179; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known mailwall.attws.com [155.176.34.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16791 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA09910; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA19346; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA22333; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:14:49 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA22330; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:14:49 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD74D9.313ABC20@XXXXXX>; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:14:41 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: NON Moto: Humor Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:10:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 122 TEXT, 106 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 How to tell that you are a techno-geek: > 1. Your stationery is more cluttered than Warren Beatty's address book. The letterhead lists a fax number, e-mail addresses for two on-line > services, and your Internet address, which spreads across the breadth of > the letterhead and continues to the back. In essence, you have conceded > that the first page of any letter you write *is* letterhead. > > > 2. You have never sat through an entire movie without having at least one device on your body beep or buzz. > > 3. You need to fill out a form that must be typewritten, but you can't > because there isn't one typewriter in your house-only computers with > laser printers. (But you compensate by having a scanner and scanning it in) > > 4. You think of the gadgets in your office as "friends," but you forget to > send your father a birthday card. > > 5. You disdain people who use low baud rates. > > 6. When you go into a computer store, you eavesdrop on a salesperson talking with customers-and you butt in to correct him and spend the next twenty minutes answering the customers' questions, while the salesperson stands by silently, nodding his head. > > > 7. You use the phrase "digital compression" in a conversation without > thinking how strange your mouth feels when you say it. > > 8. You constantly find yourself in groups of people to whom you say the > phrase "digital compression." Everyone understands what you mean, and you are not surprised or disappointed that you don't have to explain it. > > 9. You know Bill Gates' e-mail address, but you have to look up your own social security number. > > 10. You stop saying "phone number" and replace it with "voice number," since we all know the majority of phone lines in any house are plugged into contraptions that talk to other contraptions. > > 11. You sign Christmas cards by putting :-) next to your signature. > > 12. Off the top of your head, you can think of nineteen keystroke symbols that are far more clever than :-). > > 13. You back up your data every day. > > 14. Your wife asks you to pick up some minipads for her at the store and you return with a rest for your mouse. > > 15. You think jokes about being unable to program a VCR are stupid. > > 16. On vacation, you are reading a computer manual and turning the pages faster than everyone else who is reading John Grisham novels. > > > 17. The thought that a CD could refer to finance or music rarely enters your mind. > > 18. You are able to argue persuasively the Ross Perot's phrase "electronic town hall" makes more sense than the term "information superhighway," but you don't because, after all, the man still uses hand-drawn pie charts. > > 19. You go to computer trade shows and map out > >your path of the exhibit hall in advance. But you cannot > >give someone directions to your house without looking up the > >street names. > > 20. You would rather get more dots per inch than > >miles per gallon. > > 21. You become upset when a person calls you on > >the phone to sell you something, but you think it's okay for a computer to call and demand that you start pushing buttons on your > >telephone to receive more information about the product it is > >selling. > > 22. You know without a doubt that disks come in five-and-a- quarter-and three-and-a-half-inch sizes. > > 23. Al Gore strikes you as an "intriguing" fellow. > > 24. . You own a set of itty-bitty screw-drivers and you actually know where they are. > > 25. While contemporaries swap stories about their > >recent hernia surgeries, you compare mouse-induced index-finger > >strain with a nine-year-old. > > 26. You are so knowledgeable about technology that > >you feel secure enough to say "I don't know" when > >someone asks you a technology question instead of feeling > >compelled to make something up. > > 27. You rotate your screen savers more frequently > >than your automobile tires. > > 28. You have a functioning home copier machine, > >but every toaster you own turns bread into charcoal. > > 29. You have ended friendships because of > >irreconcilably different opinions about which is better-the track > ball or the track *pad*. > > 30. You understand all the jokes in this message. > >If so, my friend, technology has taken over your life. We suggest, > >for your own good, that you go lie under a tree and write a > >haiku. > > And don't use a laptop. > > > =-=-=-=-=-=->>> Finally... > > 31. You email this message to your friends over > >the net. > > You'd never get around to showing it to them in person or reading > >it to them on the phone. 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Cecchini\"" , "cbxturbo@XXXXXX" , Erich Lorenz , "Griff, David" , "Kevin O'Brien" , "Lisa@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: After MC Accident Advice needed In-Reply-To: <3549CFEA.58485285@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jay-- I'm glad she's OK. My answers are: >does she press criminal charges for vehicular assault? What the hell, try it. Given that the cop wouldn't charge the other woman, I'd say chances are slim. >Do we sue civilly her? I think since it was an auto related incident, you'd end up against her insurance co regardless, but I'm not sure. >Do we talk to a lawyer or or insurance co.? I'd try both. Start with the lawyer so you know your rights. Ben Clopman does some work for a friend, and Ben was very helpful (and fair and generous!) when my CB750 was stolen. In old rockville, 424-0677 >Can we ask her insurance co. for a rental bike till hers is fixed? Worth a try >Can we bill for scuffed jeans, scuffed helmet, torn jacket zippers and >such? They will pay about 25%-50% of the value of the damaged items, and will want to keep the items. >Or should we just get her address and do burnout's in front of her >house? Get a baseball bat.... >Or all of the above? > >Thanks for your help and input we will keep you posted. > > Good luck Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 11:23:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04769; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28397; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17023 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA26469; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:22:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-28.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.92) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma026082; Fri May 1 10:20:51 1998 Message-ID: <354948D6.34AF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:00:22 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jay goddard CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: After MC Accident Advice needed References: <3549CFEA.58485285@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> <354940AA.237F@ix.netcom.com> <3549E1F5.464D0F33@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jay goddard wrote: > > The accident was in MD. A report was filed. The cop would not determine blame ( > in Md he does not have to) > > Thanks, > Jay > That makes little sense, if there witnesses claiming that the other driver made a lane change into your wife but I am not familar with MD law or policy in that regard. Make sure you get a copy of the report and it seems like you are going to be stuck with civil litigation. Yuch, that can really drag on. Thats the advantage to having the at fault driver cited, it tends to speed the civil stuff along also. Well good luck -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 11:25:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04786; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28412; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17052 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 1287; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:43:40 -0400 Message-ID: <3549D1F4.DB917CED@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 09:45:24 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: old bikes/newbie riders References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > How does one decide what sorta caliper is a good replacement? Well, I got lucky in that lots of old Kawasaki parts are interchangable, so I just wandered around the boneyard until I found a Kawi hulk that had a caliper that *looks like* it would fit ('looks like' being an inside joke, my old geometry teacher would have fits if you ever said that in class) Turned out to be an exact match, the rest was easy. YMMV. > Hard to believe that you just > learned two years ago. I figured you for a seasoned veteran, when in > actuality, you are simply One Who Was Until Recently A Newbie (OWWURAN > for anybody who wants to add a new acronym to the collection) Nope, I'm still a Newbie, just a Newbie with Experience (NWE). I rode some dirt bikes as a kid, but I'm still new to streeters. I think if I ever *not* consider myself a newbie, I'd be a menace to society. It keeps me on my toes. :-) Oh yeah, pulled a wheelie on the Concours last night! Youthful exuberance, you know. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 11:37:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04925; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28666; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17438 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yVHrt-00008x-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:36:57 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:35:25 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EB7F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'klthomas@XXXXXX'" , jay goddard , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Lisa@XXXXXX Subject: RE: After MC Accident Advice needed Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:35:52 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain You know, you're right about DC being bad for things like this. I got attacked one winter minding my own business trying to cross the street & the cops wouldn't even file a report!! We even had the license plate number! I guess it wasn't worth their time... Luckily, in the scuffle, I made the guy lose his glasses at least. I think he was surprised when I actually fought back. Perhaps it'll teach him to throw women around. No flames, please... ; ) - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 11:51:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05098; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28823; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17843 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22350; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3549EEF0.414C5A65@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 11:49:04 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: NON Moto: Humor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uh-Oh... I can relate to far too many of these.... For number 6 though, I've caught myself doing the same thing in pet stores in the ole reptile department when some pizza faced kid salesman tries to tell someone that a Rock Python doesn't get that big and has an even temperament.... or that usre, it's ok to feed an iguana iceberg lettuce! he he he Collin (who was terrified of most reptiles till his wife converted him a few years ago.. currently: 4 snakes, 4 lizards) Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > > How to tell that you are a techno-geek: > 6. When you go into a computer store, you eavesdrop on a salesperson > talking with customers-and you butt in to correct him and spend the > next twenty minutes answering the customers' questions, while the salesperson > stands by silently, nodding his head. -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 12:15:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05387; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29570; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18657 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ADEA1B30110; Wed, 01 May 1996 12:14:34 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980501121703.00f65990@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 12:17:03 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: After MC Accident Advice needed In-Reply-To: <3549CFEA.58485285@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:36 AM 5/1/98 -0400, jay goddard wrote: >the questions now are: >does she press criminal charges for vehicular assault? It'd be nice to get the court system rolling. Since the officer didn't witness it, it can be hard. Since you didn't report the earlier incident it could be harder. With witnesses and some firm dealing with the police you may get them to file criminal charges. >Do we sue civilly her? You can sue only for damages. Sounds like you didn't lose much, in the way of monetary damage to things. (It sucks to say it that way, but that's the way I understand civil litigation works - you've got to show tangible losses). You'll probably have to front all the money to the lawyer to get him/her going. >Do we talk to a lawyer or or insurance co.? Lawyer. Look for a lawyer who specializes in motorcycles. Any ABATE member can clue you in. I've also seen lawyers advertise in the back of Winding Road Motorcycle Times magazine. Two names come to mind: Jay Block near Baltimore, and Tom McGrath in No. VA or Richmond maybe. They may not be able to practice in DC, but they could refer you. Bob Higdon is a DC lawyer; he's semi-retired but he could probably refer you. DEFINITELY follow up with a lawyer who knows the "lay of the land" here. >Can we ask her insurance co. for a rental bike till hers is fixed? Rental vehicle of some kind, I should think, if the bike was primary transportation. >Can we bill for scuffed jeans, scuffed helmet, torn jacket zippers and >such? Yes, I should think so. >Or should we just get her address and do burnout's in front of her >house? Tempting. Don't get caught. good luck, and stay away from cagers agressive enough or incompetent enough to bump you, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 12:18:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05452; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29617; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18743 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA23712 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 1 May 1998 09:18:29 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 1 May 1998 09:18:29 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: NON Moto: Humor Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:21:28 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT > 3. You need to fill out a form that must be typewritten, but you can't > because there isn't one typewriter in your house-only computers with > laser printers. (But you compensate by having a scanner and scanning it in) I've DONE this (really) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 12:22:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05500; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29665; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sealright.com (known node11.sealright.com [139.146.203.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18839 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SR#u#FPG-Message_Server by sealright.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 01 May 1998 11:26:46 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 11:17:38 -0500 From: "Kevin O'Brien" To: GriffD@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, goddardj@XXXXXX, cbxturbo@XXXXXX, etlorenz@XXXXXX, mrcengr@XXXXXX, Lisa@XXXXXX Subject: After MC Accident Advice needed -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Jay & Lisa, used my inside contact -- called Kelly down in South Carolina. She recommends talking with the insurance company first. She is doing a search of lawyers in Maryland that specialize in this field. She says most don't charge you anything unless they recover, however, they do charge for expenses (ie. if they have to go take dispositions from the witnesses) whether they recover or not. The biggest problem with proving vehicular assualt will be whether anyone heard the woman's "puttumup" statement. >>> jay goddard 05/01/98 09:36am >>> My wife and I need some advice. Yesterday on her way home she was hit while riding home on Wisconsin ave. I was not there so I can only go by what she says. First near the Ramada in Bethesda the woman driving the car tapped her rear wheel while sitting in traffic. Then a mile down the road in front of NIH the woman changed lanes into her at about 15 mph, it pushed my wife away from the car and down. When my wife got it together and stood up the woman told her "Puttum up I gonna kick your ass". Another rider who was in a cage stopped, split them up and called the cops. There are 2 people who gave there info and said they saw the hole thing and the woman hit her. My wife is pretty sure it was malicious. Neither of the witness said anything about the first tap and my wife did not mention it to the cop. The cop did not place blame on either person The bike (a 91 ZX6) lots a turn signal where she was hit and scraped up the front lower, upper, the front turn signal and the after market pipe. My wife is OK she had on a leather jacket and jeans and only has a raspberry on her elbow and a few bruises. After the we left the hospital I took her back to the bike. then she freaked me out, SHE RODE IT HOME!! Did I marry a tuff girl or what. the questions now are: does she press criminal charges for vehicular assault? Do we sue civilly her? Do we talk to a lawyer or or insurance co.? Can we ask her insurance co. for a rental bike till hers is fixed? Can we bill for scuffed jeans, scuffed helmet, torn jacket zippers and such? Or should we just get her address and do burnout's in front of her house? Or all of the above? Thanks for your help and input we will keep you posted. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 13:09:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06072; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01379; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20175 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id NAA13353; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma013221; Fri, 1 May 98 13:08:21 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:08:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: After MC Accident Advice needed Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:08:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain In most places (not sure about MD) simple assault is a misdemeanor and officers can't arrest for misdemeanors which they didn't witness or see some direct evidence of. However, in most places you can file for a show-cause hearing, in which you near to convince a court clerk that there is a reaonable probability that a crime was committed, in which case the case moves forward. If you have witnesses this is a reasonable thing to do. ' John, reaching back to his days as a volunteer victim advocate in Massachusetts. --John Whiteside -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, May 01, 1998 12:17 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: After MC Accident Advice needed At 09:36 AM 5/1/98 -0400, jay goddard wrote: >the questions now are: >does she press criminal charges for vehicular assault? It'd be nice to get the court system rolling. Since the officer didn't witness it, it can be hard. Since you didn't report the earlier incident it could be harder. With witnesses and some firm dealing with the police you may get them to file criminal charges. >Do we sue civilly her? You can sue only for damages. Sounds like you didn't lose much, in the way of monetary damage to things. (It sucks to say it that way, but that's the way I understand civil litigation works - you've got to show tangible losses). You'll probably have to front all the money to the lawyer to get him/her going. >Do we talk to a lawyer or or insurance co.? Lawyer. Look for a lawyer who specializes in motorcycles. Any ABATE member can clue you in. I've also seen lawyers advertise in the back of Winding Road Motorcycle Times magazine. Two names come to mind: Jay Block near Baltimore, and Tom McGrath in No. VA or Richmond maybe. They may not be able to practice in DC, but they could refer you. Bob Higdon is a DC lawyer; he's semi-retired but he could probably refer you. DEFINITELY follow up with a lawyer who knows the "lay of the land" here. >Can we ask her insurance co. for a rental bike till hers is fixed? Rental vehicle of some kind, I should think, if the bike was primary transportation. >Can we bill for scuffed jeans, scuffed helmet, torn jacket zippers and >such? Yes, I should think so. >Or should we just get her address and do burnout's in front of her >house? Tempting. Don't get caught. good luck, and stay away from cagers agressive enough or incompetent enough to bump you, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 13:55:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06725; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03058; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21765 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA04390 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA21448 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:54:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980501175435.KNNK10983@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:54:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 13:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: SpringFest 98 and WX X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980501175435.KNNK10983@[166.41.242.141]> If it is raining tommorrow morning, need I say I won't be at the Potomac Safeway. If it is simply cloudy over Springfield, VA, I do plan to go and will meet those of you who wanted to ride to Potomac together at the Silver Diner, Springfield - we will leave nlt 8:15am Cross your fingers everyone. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 14:29:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08018; Fri, 1 May 1998 14:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04609; Fri, 1 May 1998 14:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23366 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 14:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr4-dialup17.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0ESA00212JCIG1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:29:08 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 02:29:03 +0000 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: Bike Mags [was: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply -Reply To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <002001bd74a8$e9253760$d14337a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Like Collin, I like the Brit mags like Superbike and Performance Bike. They try and tell it like it is. RoadRacing World is the business!! Jon -----Original Message----- From: Collin T. Fagan To: DC Cycles Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 1:03 PM Subject: Re: Bike Mags [was: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply -Reply Like George, I like the Brit mags... "Superbike" is way cool... the brits aren't afraid to rayally thrash the test bikes given to them then write articles about how crashworthy they are... as a bonus they always have at least one poster in the mag with a barely clad or not clad at all woman draped across a bike..sorry ladies..no guys on them bikes :) It's spendy as well, at $7 a mag, I usually just leaf through it at the bookstore... Then there's Roadracing World. It has articles ranging the spectrum from awesome to crap, but always entertaining. As the title implies though, it is very much racing oriented.. -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 15:34:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09776; Fri, 1 May 1998 15:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06028; Fri, 1 May 1998 15:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25924 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 15:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id PAA03425 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 15:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <354A2437.BD308C5A@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 15:36:23 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Safeway Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What time are you meeting at the safeway? Jay From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 15:50:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09934; Fri, 1 May 1998 15:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06194; Fri, 1 May 1998 15:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26276 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 15:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 1095; Fri, 1 May 1998 15:48:19 -0400 Message-ID: <354A2767.96D84761@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 15:49:59 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Horkster , Leon Begeman , Tracy Horstman , Ursulina Viteri , Chris Norloff , "Jeannette O'Brien" , Rich Horstman , Todd Peer , Tom Zell , Kevin Thomas , "Louis F. Caplan" , Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "Carver, John" , "Clark E. Dorman" , George Howell , Jay , Chris Meier , Sean Sullivan , Richard Westbrook , Amy Rottier , "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , "Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN Dysart" , "Mark E. Truelove" , Brian McCoy , "Collin T. Fagan" , Fritz Ames , Bill Swanson , "Roy D. Turner" , Curtis A Clements , Morris Berman , Kirk Roy CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Spring Party and WX References: <19980501175435.KNNK10983@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, rest assured that neither rain, sleet, snow, nor dark of night (or however that damn quote goes) will hold up the DC Cycles Spring Fling at the Horkster residence. Show up by bike, cage, bus, or on foot with umbrella, there will still be plenty of food and good times to be had. Party and riding games start at 5:00 pm. As to you TBDer's and stuff to bring, it's your call. I'm flat out of suggestions. Don't feel that you *need* a dish in hand to show up or anything. And don't let the RSVP thing deter you either, I just wanted a rough headcount. We expect *lots* of you shy folks to show up. :-) Need more info? Check here: http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dc-rides.htm Need directions? Check here: http://www.clark.net/pub/louis/dale/ Wanna talk to a human? Our home phone is (703) 590-5781 I'll probably also log in before and during the party (showing my geekness here, but what the hell) Anyway, see you all tomorrow! Ride Safe! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 16:19:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10530; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06411; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (known dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov [137.187.220.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26954 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id QAA03545 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <354A2E93.95B9EB50@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 16:20:35 -0400 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Safeway References: <354A2437.BD308C5A@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit forget it i found the time in my archives jay goddard wrote: > What time are you meeting at the safeway? > > Jay From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 16:58:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11226; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06726; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28134 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA25180 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA02446 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.59]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980501205759.QRSY8893@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 15:57:59 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Local Shops Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:57:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bd7543$d05916c0$3b5420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I had some work done on my bike at Fast Lanes Cycles this week. I wanted Race Tech gold fork valve etc. and a K&N air filter installed. I also had it painted this week. I dropped off all the body parts and gas tank at the paint shop and the naked bike at Fast Lanes (on my trailer). I picked up both on Wednesday night and furiously put it all back together Wednesday night. Looks good. I put gas in it last night and went out for a ride to check out suspension. After a short time, I notice a loud clunk coming from the front whenever I pulled on the front brake. I trundled on home to check it out. One of the bolts was missing and the other was almost completely backed out from the right front caliper. Shock Horror, but no damage done. I called Rick at Fast Lanes today and told him about the incident. Without any argument and on his own initiative, he went to my house, replaced the missing bolt and tightened everything down. And apologized for the mistake. I'm not happy about the mistake, but that is the absolute best outcome I could have hoped for. He will continue to get my business. FYI & YMMV LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 17:23:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11431; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06979; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28715 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id 1NDa000148 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:22:53 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9 Message-ID: <5c88579b.354a3d2e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 17:22:53 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Safeway or the Diner? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 which is it now? I only have directions to the safeway... so if anyone has any info... pass it this way.. Sean P. Ride Free! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 18:46:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12927; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA07392; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (known welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00441 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA14257 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980501184758.0069ede0@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 1 May 1998 22:45:54 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 18:47:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Xenon bulbs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey, For those interested in headlights, check out http://www.ibmwr.org/prodreview/xenonbulb.html You can learn more about them and find out just how compulsive some motorcyclists can be. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 20:25:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA13776; Fri, 1 May 1998 20:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07948; Fri, 1 May 1998 20:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (known darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02183 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 20:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viking.cris.com (viking.concentric.net [206.173.119.81]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/04/23 5.10)) id UAA22328; Fri, 1 May 1998 20:24:47 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by viking.cris.com (8.8.5) id UAA19173; Fri, 1 May 1998 20:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 20:24:47 -0400 (EDT) From: BRIANPM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Linda and Fast Lane Cycles.. In-Reply-To: <199805012300.TAA07505@tove.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Linda, I can't speak personally for Rick or his shop, but from what I've heard on-line and through my personal lines, he runs a very stand-up shop. But they also, like every other place in the world, sometimes err. I'm glad everything remained safe and it really doesn't supprise me that Rick did what he did. Anyone else that wants to support him would be great too, because he in turns supports motorcyclists (mostly in the racing community), and we all end up with a win-win situation.. Brian P.McCoy - 92/94 RS125 (race) - 82 XT250 (street/dirt) brianpm@XXXXXX & bmccoy@XXXXXX - personal www.geocities.com/motorcity/1319 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 23:34:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14838; Fri, 1 May 1998 23:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08655; Fri, 1 May 1998 23:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04462 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 23:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.33] (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 01 May 1998 23:32:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bike Mags [was: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply -Repl Date: Fri, 1 May 98 23:35:33 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Barnes and Noble sells RiDE. I think BIKE is similar I've noticed that BiKE seems a bit less objective than RiDE and their product reviews are nowhere near as rigourous. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri May 1 23:34:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14842; Fri, 1 May 1998 23:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08659; Fri, 1 May 1998 23:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04466 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 23:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.33] (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Fri, 01 May 1998 23:32:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bike Mags [was: Is It/Was It the Warm Weather? -Reply -Rep Date: Fri, 1 May 98 23:35:38 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Where can I get a sample copy of RiDE? Crown Books is where I buy it each month. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 2 08:02:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17940; Sat, 2 May 1998 08:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11946; Sat, 2 May 1998 08:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08592 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 08:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from krosenba.erols.com (207-172-73-211.s211.tnt1.man.erols.com [207.172.73.211]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA07506; Sat, 2 May 1998 08:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980502080013.007c3570@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 08:00:13 -0400 To: MotorLE , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Rosenbaum Subject: Re: Re: headlight bulbs, was Re: Considerate Cagers(?)...not In-Reply-To: <4c8ef504.3549d33d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:50 AM 05/01/1998 EDT, MotorLE wrote: > >>Maybe some of the other bikes out there have the headlight on a relay >>... I just know from experience that the BMW's do not. > >Actually, lots of BMWs have a headlight relay. Mine does. It is attached to >the low beam circuit only. I think it's all the air cooled twins after '74 >that have them. I admit that I'm not sure about the K models and the oil >heads. Yikes, I used to know all this junk by heart! HMMM, did not know this. The K bike don't; I found out the hard way. I guess that I need to check my sources better. I WISH they put on in there. Now I have to do it. Regards, Karl Rosenbaum Woodbridge, Va 94 K1100LTA - name-less for now BMWRA,BMWMOA,BMWBMW, AMA krosenba@XXXXXX http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 2 08:17:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17973; Sat, 2 May 1998 08:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12002; Sat, 2 May 1998 08:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08677 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 08:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id 1MLGa03031 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 08:16:00 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666 Message-ID: <5fe35bb7.354b0e81@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 08:16:00 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Linda and Fast Lane Cycles.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 56 I'm not sure what happened here, but they did a good job for me on the front end of my GSX. As Brian said, people will make mistakes - the important thing is what they do about it. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 2 19:10:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24913; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16790; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19682 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.25.113]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 1260 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:08:30 -0400 Message-ID: <354BA81A.2D6A44E9@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 19:11:22 -0400 From: "horstman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: From the party Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you are reading this now, (Saturday, May 2, 7:09pm), you must not be here. We are having regardless of the rain. We're anixously awaiting Todd's presence to plan the Deal Gap's trip. So Todd if your out there, we're waiting for you. Tracy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 2 19:45:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25130; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16909; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20058 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p210.smart.net [206.97.127.210]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17380; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:45:34 -0400 Message-ID: <354BAECA.4D468AC1@smart.net> Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 19:39:56 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: horstman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: From the party References: <354BA81A.2D6A44E9@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wish I could be there to meet the gracious hosts of the Spring Fling and to say hello to some others, but the schedule wouldn't allow it. I was with Todd and some other die-hards for this morning's trip in the rain on the way to Frederick Harley-Davidson.....let's hope nothing happened to anyone from that group. Have an excellent time.... horstman wrote: > If you are reading this now, (Saturday, May 2, 7:09pm), you must not be > here. We are having regardless of the rain. We're anixously awaiting > Todd's presence to plan the Deal Gap's trip. So Todd if your out there, > we're waiting for you. > > Tracy -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 2 20:12:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25326; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17018; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (known mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20381 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:11:56 -0400 (EDT) From: klthomas@XXXXXX Received: from rude ([12.68.77.173]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA14672; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:11:24 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980502201039.006ceb5c@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 20:10:39 -0400 To: "horstman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: From the party In-Reply-To: <354BA81A.2D6A44E9@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tracy-- I'm sure I'll never live down my reputation for not showing up for DC Cycles events that I say I'll be at. Oh, didn't you notice I wasn't there? ;-) Today turned out to want to be a family day, so it is. I hope y'all had a super time, and I promise to show up for something, sometime.... Sorry... See ya Kevin At 07:11 PM 5/2/98 -0400, horstman wrote: >If you are reading this now, (Saturday, May 2, 7:09pm), you must not be >here. We are having regardless of the rain. We're anixously awaiting >Todd's presence to plan the Deal Gap's trip. So Todd if your out there, >we're waiting for you. > >Tracy > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 2 20:34:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25494; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17115; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20547 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-19.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.60]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA25054 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:34:23 -0400 Message-ID: <031c01bd762b$52cd4ee0$2b10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Rain check? Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:34:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Planned to be an all MC day -- but two out of three isn't good enough. Up at 6:30a to go to Frederick Sportfest early to get demo rides -- Internet wx doppler map not good: 270 ugly with green, yellow and red rain areas. Relax, snooze, leisurely breakfast. 9a. Doppler better. Clear to close to F, with glop moving out favorably. Head out. Half mile from home, rain. Turn around, downgrade doppler credibility. 10a. Call Colleen re possibility of seeing discussed clothing. OK. Venture to Silver Spring on Metro. Dry start, wet arrive. Me soaked, but she lets me in. Do cordial deal. Dry return. 12n. Check Doppler. All clear but for small area moving out of F. Really want to ride sportbikes, return to Spring Fling. Go. Minimal dampness to F. Me and wx smiling when I arrive. Buy little stuff at Harley dealer. Have Coke, sit on bikes, pick up literature. Maybe 35 people there. No demos (wet roads) but running Battletrax at Grove stadium. Go there. 2p. First time on sportbike/Battletrax (Buell Lightnings/Cyclone). They clear the field for me and others as "firsttimers". Don't do badly. Four or five increasingly proficient runs. Best feeling run turns out to have been in second. Treated well. Get tips from starter, use of fullface, offer of armor jacket. Goodtime had by me, evidently plenty others. Don't want to leave, but . . . 3p. ETD for Spring Fling. Suit up, gas, to 270 (then 495/395). Whoa. Ominous grunge toward the Southeast. Where did that come from? Press on. Sprinkle turns to rain prior to GW pkwy. Head to DC to check wx. 4:15p. Raining DC. Home. Check doppler. Muck now on line along 395, my intended route, much as it was in early a.m. along 270. No pull with wx gods today. Decide 6p go/nogo for Fling. Do no-rain dance around 395 highway map. 6p. Doppler remains bad, now lightning and thunder out window. Reviewing possible recent transgressions for reasons for frowning by wx gods. Mutter bad words as decide nogo. Call Horstman's, hope convey to Tracy how much regret missing Fling (no cage backup). Count on rain check. 7p. Make note to plan on monthly live sacrifice to wx gods. Should have set up program years ago. What is their preference? Hope those attending having a great time. A chat/conference backup for the locationally disadvantaged next event? Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat May 2 22:05:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26418; Sat, 2 May 1998 22:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17468; Sat, 2 May 1998 22:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21693 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 22:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id WAA06690; Sat, 2 May 1998 22:13:49 -0400 Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 22:13:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver cc: horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: From the party In-Reply-To: <354BAECA.4D468AC1@smart.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry I missed it; I was out of town...maybe next time. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 3 05:27:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA00058; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA19799; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA25380 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA26222; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:22:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 05:19:52 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: From the party To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <354BA81A.2D6A44E9@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 2 May 1998, horstman wrote: > If you are reading this now, (Saturday, May 2, 7:09pm), you must not be > here. We are having regardless of the rain. We're anixously awaiting > Todd's presence to plan the Deal Gap's trip. So Todd if your out there, > we're waiting for you. Sorry,at 1909 I was at the part-time job.Now I'm at the Pentagon. Maybe I'll be able to catch the Summer Fling? :-} The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 3 05:28:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA00064; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA19808; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA25384 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA26228; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:24:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 05:23:00 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Bike Mags To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <002001bd74a8$e9253760$d14337a6@0302104396168270> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 May 1998, Dawn & Jon wrote: > Like Collin, I like the Brit mags like Superbike and Performance Bike. They > try and tell it like it is. RoadRacing World is the business!! _SB_ and _PB_ are cool._AWOL_ and _Streetfighters_ are even cooler! The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 3 05:34:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA00085; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA19859; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA25407 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA26261; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:30:07 -0400 Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 05:25:25 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: re:bulbs, etc... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 May 1998, George Howell wrote: > Be careful with those 'blue bulbs'. The cheap ones simply have a blue > tinted glass, which lessens the lumens put out by the bulb. The real > bulbs in the Lincoln's and MB's are not halogen bulbs at all, but xenon > (?) or some similar setup. While they may look similar, the expensive MB > and Lincoln bulbs are NOT just bulbs with a blue tint. Another thing to watch on blue bulbs;they may be illegal.There are laws about red and blue lights in the front of vehicles only being for police/fire/etc.You may get busted. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 3 05:49:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA00143; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA19955; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA25492 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA26313; Sun, 3 May 1998 05:45:39 -0400 Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 05:43:09 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: After MC Accident Advice needed To: jay goddard cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3549CFEA.58485285@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Jay, Sorry to hear about the wife.Glad she's ok.If all else fails,you might want to try small-claims court to get back your insurance deductable and damaged riding gear(People's Court,maybe?:-} ). Sounds like it's also time to get the wife some pepper spray or summat.There may be a chance of her running into(oops,sorry) this woman again.Unless you're willing to hire Jeanette as a body gaurd.;-) BTW,how about a description of the woman and her cage so the rest of us can keep an eye out for her. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT <*> Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 3 10:21:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01225; Sun, 3 May 1998 10:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20509; Sun, 3 May 1998 10:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26806 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 10:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.45] (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sun, 03 May 1998 10:19:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: From the party Date: Sun, 3 May 98 10:22:40 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "horstman" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I'm sure I'll never live down my reputation for not showing up for DC >Cycles events that I say I'll be at. The list of people in that category is long and distinguished:) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun May 3 10:21:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01229; Sun, 3 May 1998 10:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20513; Sun, 3 May 1998 10:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26810 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 10:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.45] (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Sun, 03 May 1998 10:19:39 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: From the party Date: Sun, 3 May 98 10:22:44 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "horstman" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Not Todd, but couldn't attend anyway:( Was up at 6 am to take SWMBO to the NTE. Then to parents' house to pull apart Wing and see what work was needed. Looked like schedule should work okay. Back to Waldorf, pick up Angie, I go parts hunting. Can't find parts. Figure out a workaround. Back to parents' house. Fight Wing. Rain starts. Have to hunt for a few more things. By the time I finish Wing work, it's 7:00. By the time I would get back to Waldorf, shower, and get over the river... Well, I'd be arriving around 10:00 or so. And to top it off, I still only got half of what I wanted to accomplish done today. At least I finally got my father another set of metric combination wrenches (the only other ones he had before today was the toolkit from the Fiat 600 he had back in High School. Not a two wheeled Fiat, but a Fiat cage with a 600cc engine. He had two of 'em) ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 07:52:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA13270; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05521; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11175 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ABF5BF019C; Mon, 04 May 1998 07:52:21 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980504074842.00f94230@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 07:48:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: SpringFling - thanx to Dale & Tracy! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Many thanks to Dale and Tracy for the great dc-cycles SpringFling! That was so great, what do we do for an encore? (And thanks Tracy for finding my missing jacket and giving it to Clark Dorman who brought it back near my home). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 08:54:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13806; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06555; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12074 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id JAA20887; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:01:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 09:01:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Kudos Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thank you Dale and Tracy! A good time was had by all, despite the rain. Are you really a hard core bench racer when you're willing stand in the rain to discuss and point to who has what features/gizmos on whose bike? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 09:25:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14486; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06707; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13118 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA12381 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:24:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA23232 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:24:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.59]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980504132415.BJXE17777@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:24:15 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Head sets Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 09:24:12 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bd775f$ee120a00$3b5420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I've ordered a headset for my helmet and I seem to recall that having something (sound) in both ears is illegal in Virginia. Is that true?? So my stereo headset will be illegal?? I'm getting a cb with stereo interface for touring. Any info would be appreciated. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 09:47:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14706; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06855; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13678 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yWLZz-0007A0-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:46:51 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:45:15 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EBA1@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Thank You... Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 09:45:46 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I wanted to thank Dale & Tracy, too. I had a great time at the party! There was so much incredible food. The conversation in the kitchen was most "stimulating" as well. ; ) We had a great rain-soaked ride earlier in the day, too. I can't present the ride report, though, I have NO sense of direction. Hopefully Todd will do the honors later. - Jeannette '85 VF 500 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 09:54:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14775; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06902; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dsava.com (known virginia.dsava.com [192.234.181.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13814 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by virginia.dsava.com id <26882>; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:51:48 -0400 From: "Chris Hamlett" To: Subject: RE: Head sets Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 09:53:31 -0400 Message-Id: <98May4.095148edt.26882@virginia.dsava.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001bd775f$ee120a00$3b5420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> Linda, I found this at http://leg1.state.va.us, a searchable database of the Code of Virginia. I don't know if there are any other applicable regulations. It looks like you can have earphones for communications, but not for music. § 46.2-1078 Unlawful to operate motor vehicle, moped, or bicycle while using earphones It shall be unlawful for any person to operate a motor vehicle, moped, or bicycle on the highways in the Commonwealth while using earphones on or in both ears. For the purpose of this section, "earphones" shall mean any device worn on or in both ears which converts electrical energy to sound waves or which impairs or hinders the person's ability to hear, but shall not include (i) any prosthetic device which aids the hard of hearing, (ii) earphones installed in helmets worn by motorcycle operators and riders and used as part of a communications system, or (iii) nonprosthetic, closed-ear, open-back, electronic noise-cancellation devices designed and used to enhance the hearing ability of persons who operate vehicles in high-noise environments, provided any such device is being worn by the operator of a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,000 pounds or more. The provisions of this section shall not apply to the driver of any emergency vehicle as defined in §46.2-920. Chris Hamlett 98FXD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 10:03:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14883; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07057; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14025 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AA9E3AB00C0; Mon, 04 May 1998 10:03:10 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980504095414.00f7c590@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 09:54:14 -0400 To: "Linda Tanner" , "Dc-Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Head sets In-Reply-To: <000001bd775f$ee120a00$3b5420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:24 AM 5/4/98 -0400, Linda Tanner wrote: >I've ordered a headset for my helmet and I seem to recall that having >something (sound) in both ears is illegal in Virginia. Is that true?? So >my stereo headset will be illegal?? I'm getting a cb with stereo interface >for touring. My recollection is that it's illegal, and never enforced. I think you can find the law itself online through http://www.state.va.us/home/governmt.html Just keep the volume down so you can hear what you need to (just to state the obvious) and don't flaunt it in front of police and I think you'll be fine. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 10:14:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15015; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07145; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14222 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 04 May 1998 10:05:16 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 10:04:46 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Thanks Dale and Tracy! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Dale and Tracy! Had a great time at the Spring Fling! Your house absorbed a lot of wet riders, and there was no end to the good food. The rain didn't stop the ride up to SportFest in Frederick, Md. Todd Peer led Jeannette O'Brien, Tom Zell, Don Wu, Tom Grimer, Sean P., Terri and me up there on small twisty roads. Morris Berman had to retire early when a heavy downpour fell a mile into the trip and his bike experienced electrical problems. The dealership was holding off on the demo rides of Buells and a couple of BMWs and sportbikes until the roads dried (no Triumphs or Ducatis), which took just about all day. However, the dealership served burgers, chili and hot dogs and Buell sponsored Battle Trax on a nearby parking lot. Battle Trax went on in the iffy weather, and continued even through the rain. You could run your own bike or take out a Buell. We tried the course on both. We ran into Kirk Roy and Jay Goddard. Kirk must have gone around the course a hundred times with no line to wait in. We also saw Tom of the big BMW K bike and his brother. Missed Bill Swanson in the crowd at the dealership or in the different waves of demo bikes later in the day. A fun day, and we had a party to look forward to that night. Sean Sullivan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 10:22:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15141; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07275; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14435 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA19987 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:15:20 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 04 May 1998 10:21:43 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 10:22:59 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, linda.tanner@XXXXXX Subject: Head sets -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline According to my source (HOG Touring Handbook), Virginia is silent (ha!) on the use of helmet speakers. A few states stipulate one-ear use only (like Minnesota, where I came here from). I'd been written up for a lot of things, but The Man never seemed to notice how many "ear bud" speakers were falling out of my helmet. --Joe Nagy '86 Ninja 900 >>> "Linda Tanner" - 5/4/98 9:24 AM >>> I've ordered a headset for my helmet and I seem to recall that having something (sound) in both ears is illegal in Virginia. Is that true?? So my stereo headset will be illegal?? I'm getting a cb with stereo interface for touring. Any info would be appreciated. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 10:40:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15349; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07516; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14926 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (pool-207-205-219-6.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.219.6]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA30474 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980504104038.0069981c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: zellto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 10:40:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Thomas W. Zell" Subject: Re: SpringFling - thanx to Dale & Tracy! In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980504074842.00f94230@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My thanks, too! Jeannette and I had a great time! -Tom At 07:48 AM 5/4/98 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >Many thanks to Dale and Tracy for the great dc-cycles SpringFling! That >was so great, what do we do for an encore? > >(And thanks Tracy for finding my missing jacket and giving it to Clark >Dorman who brought it back near my home). > >Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 10:43:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15390; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07582; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15012 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA25004 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA15669 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980504144249.TQZB2485@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:42:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 10:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: TRIP PLANNING: THE GAP X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980504144249.TQZB2485@[166.41.242.141]> http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/brp/default.htm Please reply as TRIP PLANNING: THE GAP -------------------------------------------------------------- Zbig suggested that for the first evening (Thursday, May 21), everyone make it down to the first camp at their own pace on their own time. Instead of having everyone meet at a specified place/time (which might be impossible for those that need to finish their workday) to start from, we simply make it clear where everyone should end up, and then arrive at our own pace. If you look at the Web Page for the first leg of the plan, you see I chose two campgrounds we could put down for the evening, that are roughly 150 miles from the DC area, I personally prefer the Sherando Lake camp since it will be a little more private (typical National Forest campground). However, there are no shower facilities. Of course there is a lake to swim in, so if you get there before sunset :). The following day we could camp at a shower facility. Opinions/preferences? We need to take a decision this week folks. Since we are planning for a Memorial Day Trip, Camp grounds will be at a premium. I will go ahead and make reservations for the Fontana Resort area campground now. Visit the Web Page and offer your opinions about where we will be stopping. 1st Evening: Sherando Lake, $10.00/night/site LOCATION: Lyndhurst, Virginia 22952. 7.3 mi sw on SR 664, 2 mi w on FR 91. FACILITY: 65 total sites, 31 RV/tent sites, 34 tent sites, 30 acres, nature program, center or study, flush toilets available, fixed dump station. SERVICES: groceries. RECREATION: swimming (lake, pond, river or ocean), fishing. This camp is operated by the National Forest Service. There are no showers at camp. Or, Crabtree Falls (Private) AAA Member Special Value Rates All year Ev day $17.00 for 4 LOCATION: Nash, Virginia 22976. 7 mi e on SR 56 from jct Blue Ridge Pkwy (milepost 27). Mountain setting. Mostly wooded sites, adjacent to a trout stream. South fork of Tye River. TERMS: extra person $3.50, camp tax 4.5%, state tax 4.5%, reservations required, deposit required, cancellation fee imposed, three days cancellation notice required (in cabins) FACILITY: 50 total sites, 32 RV/tent sites, 40 acres, playground, recreation room, hot showers available, flush toilets available, fixed dump station. SERVICES: guest laundry (fee), groceries. RECREATION: swimming (lake, pond, river or ocean), fishing, hiking trails. Also, for large items (too bulky to pack to your bike), please make arrangements with Tracy Horstman and/or Joanna Tyrlik. They will be driving with their children. Keep that in mind and try not to load them up. Last item for the first (and subsequent) days. If you have a cell phone, plan to bring it. If anyone gets lost and needs to be talked in, we'll have modern convenience to do so. Some people (Steve) have expressed and interest in finding motels close to the camp area (w/in 10 miles). I'll do what I can to find some, but if there is sufficient interest in this, I suggest you get your heads together for it. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 11:01:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15678; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07805; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15469 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-181.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.181]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA15933; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:40:33 -0400 Message-ID: <354DD32B.167A90CC@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 10:39:39 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linda Tanner CC: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Head sets References: <000001bd775f$ee120a00$3b5420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It's legal in Virginia. § 46.2-1078 Unlawful to operate motor vehicle, moped, or bicycle while using earphones It shall be unlawful for any person to operate a motor vehicle, moped, or bicycle on the highways in the Commonwealth while using earphones on or in both ears. For the purpose of this section, "earphones" shall mean any device worn on or in both ears which converts electrical energy to sound waves or which impairs or hinders the person's ability to hear, but shall not include (i) any prosthetic device which aids the hard of hearing, (ii) earphones installed in helmets worn by motorcycle operators and riders and used as part of a communications system, or (iii) nonprosthetic, closed-ear, open-back, electronic noise-cancellation devices designed and used to enhance the hearing ability of persons who operate vehicles in high-noise environments, provided any such device is being worn by the operator of a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,000 pounds or more. The provisions of this section shall not apply to the driver of any emergency vehicle as defined in §46.2-920. Linda Tanner wrote: > > I've ordered a headset for my helmet and I seem to recall that having > something (sound) in both ears is illegal in Virginia. Is that true?? So > my stereo headset will be illegal?? I'm getting a cb with stereo interface > for touring. > > Any info would be appreciated. > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 11:27:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16040; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08469; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16346 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smart.net (max2p184.smart.net [206.97.127.184]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24332 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:22:12 -0400 Message-ID: <354DDBCE.8041CF96@smart.net> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:16:31 -0400 From: "Thomas H. Gimer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Tire pressure Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody know the ideal tire pressure (cold) for a set Metzeler radials (ME-Z1/Z2)? This morning mine were down under 30....manual says stock Bridgestones shouild be at 41. That sounded a little high to me. Is it right? TIA. -- Thomas H. Gimer tgimer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 12:05:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16498; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09151; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17317 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA12864 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA10363 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:57:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980504155747.CLOG17777@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:57:47 -0500 Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: SportFest 98 - Review X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980504155747.CLOG17777@[166.41.242.141]> Long Report - Delete it now if you don't go for this kind of thing. ------------ As I said in my post on Friday, mere cloudiness is not enough to thwart a planned adventure. Had it been raining when my alarm went off...zzzZZ! But it wasn't, so SportFest 98', here I come. Of the six people that agreed to meet me at the Springfield Silver Diner for the ride up to potomac, exactly nobody showed. No rain, but heavy clouds. I rode up to the Safeway alone, already making plans in my head if nobody showed in Potomac either. Around 9:05 am I began to wonder if DC-Cycles should be re-named to the DC-Wussies. At that moment Tom Zell and his fiance Jeannette O'brian zoomed by. Well, *alright*! There's going to be a ride after all! Shortly after they stopped and walked off to get coffee, other riders began arriving. Maybe my clock is a little fast. Hope I didn't leave anybody stranded back in Springfield. Also, next ride I plan that may involve the wet stuff, I'll be sure and post my home/cell phone #. Seems at least two people tried to reach me via e-mail. I typically don't do e-mail during the weekend (too busy). Sorry that I missed you Clark, Sean. Sean Sullivan did a good job of describing our trip and the riders, so I'll just add a bit more. Here's who showed (besides me): Sean Sullivan and G-friend Terri Morris Berman Tom Gimer Tom Zell and Jeannette O'Brian Don Wu Sean P. (who just made it, from Annapolis) We left the Safeway around 9:25am, stopped for gasoline and took off down the aptly named, River Road. Within 2 miles the sky finally let loose with a heavy downpour. I kept thinking, "we're gonna ride right through this, no problem." Since up to this point no rain had fallen, it never occurred to me to 'be prepared' and put on the rain pants. Ah well. And since there was no place to pull off, the only thing left to do was slog forward. Turned left on River Road at 112|Seneca Rd and then turned right onto Montevideo rd, where we stopped under a tree to ponder the weather. At this point the downpour became just a steady rain. Morris Berman, though somewhat prepared for the wx in his yellow rain jacket, turned back due to some threatening electrical problems to his Suzi -650. After pondering our predicament, and donning some better gear we pushed forward down Montevideo to Sugarland Road (right). Cornering was a pucker up experience, especially that last left quicky where five bicyclists were coming the other way. Whatchout! In my mirror I saw two other bikes and the glitter of the rest in the distance. At the end of Sugarland rd I stopped to let everyone catch up and was surprised that the two bikes behind me were Tom Z. and Jeannette! I thought it was Tom G. and Don for some reason. Jeannette has really come a long way with her skills folks. Practice, practice, practice, seems to be helping. The group came together and we went right onto White's Ferry Road and then a quicky left onto 28|Darnestown road. Stupidity and a little need for speed set in here as Tom and I blitzed some of the straights on 28. We came to our next turn, right onto Peach Tree road and waited for the others. Peach Tree road is a narrow, sometimes bumpy and with sometimes 25mph zone road. But it is fun! I want to do it again on dry pavement. We took Peach Tree all the way up to 109|Old Hundred rd. At this point, the coffee drinkers made it clear that a pee stop would be cool. 270 was about 100 yards down from Peach Tree, and we almost went that way to help expedite our travel. Instead, we took a left and then a right (almost missed it) onto Slate Quarry Rd. Very bumpy and followed a stream. I had to laugh thinking about those that needed to pee >;) Slate Quarry runs into Thurston road which by comparison was luxury. Very smooth and nice sweepy turns. Tom Gimer kept talking about it, and now I know why. We decided to abandon the rest of the back roads route in favor of Thurston road, and within a couple miles turned right onto rt80, under the traffic jammed I270 and made our first pit stop at the Exxon. Good thing we decided to nix I270...very slow moving traffic. >From the Exxon, continued up rt80 to rt355 (Left on Urbana Tpke) and within about 3miles we arrived at Harley of Frederick. Tom Mersch and his brother were there (since 9am) waiting for the demo rides. Honda, and Ducati became no-shows (wimps). Demos finally began at around 3:30pm. I got to ride an M2 Cyclone (wheelies pretty good:), and the S1 Lightning (orange on nuclear blue frame, pretty fast and nice handling). Both bikes were chewing on my ass though....ouch! Kirk Roy and Jay Goddard were up there as well. Kirk was a favorite at the Battletrax. Stopped by and spoke to Dawn, Wendy and Glenn at the MARRC booth. Dawn did some overtime work on her Chesterfield after having crashed it twice over the WERA race weekend. You couldn't even tell the little 250 bounced around in dirt and gravel. I bought a new Shoei Duo-Tec from Bobs BMW, on sale for $250. Ate some suspect beef patties and met a couple of HSTA members from Maryland. After having ridden in sloggy rain up to the event, we were rewarded with pretty blue skies and sunshine, cool people and cool bikes to ride. We finally got going and onto I270 home at around 5pm. It would have been sooner if not for the delay on the demos. Finally got to the Horstmans at around 7:15 to find that other DC-Cyclers toughed it out in the rain. There were even a few CAMS there. Very cool. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 12:27:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16918; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10100; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17981 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yWO4I-0006nN-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:26:18 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:14:40 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EBB5@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles Subject: Beginner's Bike... Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:15:12 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Once again I have a friend who's taking the MSF course soon...yay!! Another woman, too! She's 5'5" & is wondering what a good beginner bike would be for her. Suggestions? - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 12:30:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16997; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10368; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18125 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25135 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:30:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SportFest 98 - Review In-Reply-To: <19980504155747.CLOG17777@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Kirk was a favorite at the Battletrax. Huh? Actually, I'm bit curious what they were saying about me... "Here's Kirk Roy, the biggest kid here about to do his 200th run of the day! Watch him as he completely ignores his wife's advice to be careful!" After Colin described the Battletrax on the list I just couldn't resist going out there and trying it out. I sure do love slow corners. Supposedly I actually managed a 29.75... I'm trying to hook up with one of the owners of Battletrax to get a hold of their schedule. I'm thinking of paving over my backyard and setting up a course. :) Where the demos were concerned I rode the big BMW K bike (yellow with checkers, just like Tom's). Tom must be more of a man than me because I thought it was some type of revival of medeival torture devices. Admittedly, there are several adjustments that can be made to the bars and the seat and maybe I could've found a comfortable position but... I'll stick to my mostly grundgy old Hawk. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 12:43:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17180; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10716; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18458 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA02342 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 4 May 1998 09:43:26 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 4 May 1998 09:43:26 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tire pressure Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 09:46:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT >Anybody know the ideal tire pressure (cold) for a set Metzeler radials (ME-Z1/Z2)? Tom - hit Metzeler's web site - they have pressure charts by application (tire type & bike) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 12:45:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17202; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10777; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18499 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25396; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:44:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Beginner's Bike... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EBB5@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 May 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Once again I have a friend who's taking the MSF course soon...yay!! > Another woman, too! > She's 5'5" & is wondering what a good beginner bike would be for her. > Suggestions? Honda Hawk GT - easy handling, a mild motor, and lots of room for upgrades once the experience comes... They'll never be FAST but are good bikes with a faithful following. Of course, I'm pretty unbiased... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 12:48:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17274; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10931; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18604 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:48:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Beginner's Bike... Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:51:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain If she's cute and single, how 'bout my face? Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 12:15 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Beginner's Bike... > > > Once again I have a friend who's taking the MSF course soon...yay!! > Another woman, too! > She's 5'5" & is wondering what a good beginner bike would be for her. > Suggestions? > > - Jeannette > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 12:56:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17401; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11274; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (known mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18832 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (gateway.uscg.mil [152.121.100.100]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04311; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <354DF2C9.76FF2D@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 12:54:33 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas H. Gimer" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Tire pressure References: <354DDBCE.8041CF96@smart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's a really big big question Tom!! Most of the sportbike radials are rated for a maximum of 42psi...and I'm amazed at how many people I see inflate them right to that limit just "cause". It all depends on how you ride, and what kind of performance you want, wear characteristics, etc. And each brand will vary some on what works best for you... When I was using the Dunlop D204's, I would usually run them at 36 rear and 34 or 35 front (cold). For the Avon Azarro's I reversed that. Running the front at 35 or 36 while the rear would be slightly lower at 34 or 35... That just seemed to work best based on trial and error... >From stuff I've read, (help me out here racers), racers run the cold pressures about 15% lower than rated pressure (measured cold) which puts you right back into that 36 range for 42psi rated tires... The lower your pressure is, the heavier the steering will be and the more your tire profile will flatten out and give center wear (I do this in winter time to catch the centers up to the edges). Overinflating, will have you riding on a "knife edge" and steering will be much quicker, but you also will start sliding a lot quicker... The best thing is to put the pressure at one setting (and record it), go out and ride a good windy stretch noting how everything feels, then after the tires have cooled back down to the same temp as you measured them the first time, make some changes and try the same section again. Keep making adjustments until you find a setup that works best for you. -- Collin T. Fagan (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 13:00:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17496; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11443; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18963 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:00:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Big Yellow Medieval Torture Devices Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:03:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Kirk Roy wrote "Where the demos were concerned I rode the big BMW K bike (yellow with checkers, just like Tom's). Tom must be more of a man than me because I thought it was some type of revival of medeival torture devices. Admittedly, there are several adjustments that can be made to the bars and the seat and maybe I could've found a comfortable position but... I'll stick to my mostly grundgy old Hawk." Oh, yeah? Well, at least I paid alot for my big yellow medieval torture device... Actually, I wasn't going to get the K1200RS unless Bob's was willing to guarantee that they would have the clip-on risers ready within a month (they did and they were). With the clip-ons raised and the pegs in the lower position, it's alot like a big sport-tour bike, uh, except that it performs almost exactly like my ZX-6R (0-60, quarter mile, top speed, roll on, etc). It steers fast enough (despite its weight) and still feels like you're riding on a rail at 130+. Tom Mersch From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 13:03:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17521; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11523; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov (known gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov [130.14.71.63]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19038 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 04 May 1998 13:02:48 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 13:02:37 -0400 From: Sandy Triolo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Beginner's Bike... Crusier or sport bike? Whats with Tom? sandy Triolos@XXXXXX 90 virgo 1100 87 Hurricane 600 >>> O'Brien, Jeannette 05/04 12:15 PM >>> Once again I have a friend who's taking the MSF course soon...yay!! Another woman, too! She's 5'5" & is wondering what a good beginner bike would be for her. Suggestions? - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 13:16:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17771; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11852; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (known relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19474 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yWOqd-0003fE-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:16:16 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:14:35 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EBC0@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Sandy Triolo'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Beginner's Bike... Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:15:06 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain She didn't specify sport or cruiser, but she likes the looks of my bike - VF 500. I don't know. Doesn't get laid enough (?) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandy Triolo [SMTP:TRIOLOS@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 1:03 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Beginner's Bike... > > Crusier or sport bike? > > Whats with Tom? > > sandy > Triolos@XXXXXX > 90 virgo 1100 > 87 Hurricane 600 > > >>> O'Brien, Jeannette 05/04 12:15 PM >>> > Once again I have a friend who's taking the MSF course soon...yay!! > Another woman, too! > She's 5'5" & is wondering what a good beginner bike would be for her. > Suggestions? > > - Jeannette > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 13:43:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18275; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12597; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20532 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AE2DEB01F8; Mon, 04 May 1998 13:43:09 EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980504134249.00fcecf0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 13:42:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: TRIP PLANNING: THE GAP In-Reply-To: <19980504144249.TQZB2485@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:37 AM 5/4/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >I personally prefer the Sherando >Lake camp since it will be a little more private (typical National >Forest campground). However, there are no shower facilities. Of course >there is a lake to swim in, so if you get there before sunset :). >The following day we could camp at a shower facility. Opinions/preferences? .. > This camp is operated by the National Forest Service. There > are no showers at camp. Last year there were showers at the bathhouse by the lake. Late in the day they can become cold showers, though. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 13:48:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18380; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12704; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20769 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id NAA01963; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:56:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:56:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "'Sandy Triolo'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Beginner's Bike... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D61EBC0@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I kind of think my bike #2 is a good beginner bike. It's very low. Has a fuel gage. Has a gear number indicator. It is shaft drive. It might be a little bit heavy though. It's a GS650GL On Mon, 4 May 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > She didn't specify sport or cruiser, but she likes the looks of my bike > - VF 500. > > I don't know. Doesn't get laid enough (?) > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sandy Triolo [SMTP:TRIOLOS@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 1:03 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Beginner's Bike... > > > > Crusier or sport bike? > > > > Whats with Tom? > > > > sandy > > Triolos@XXXXXX > > 90 virgo 1100 > > 87 Hurricane 600 > > > > >>> O'Brien, Jeannette 05/04 12:15 PM >>> > > Once again I have a friend who's taking the MSF course soon...yay!! > > Another woman, too! > > She's 5'5" & is wondering what a good beginner bike would be for her. > > Suggestions? > > > > - Jeannette > > > > > > > > > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 13:52:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18414; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12742; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (known smtp4.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.43]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20866 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.server.ibm.com (relay3.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.100]) by smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA21194; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:44:16 -0400 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay3.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA31850; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:46:52 -0400 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100017992582; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:54:27 -0400 From: Tom Knapik To: , Subject: RE: Beginner's Bike... Message-ID: <5040100017992582000002L022*@MHS> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:54:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Seems like the crusier styles are a little lower.........................................................you could always sell her your bike...................no, that wouldn't work.................................sounds like a good excuse to check out you r local Honda,Suziki,Yamaha,BMW,Harley dealers and see what strikes her fancy.................... Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 05-04-98 01:45 PM --------------------------- jlobrien@XXXXXX on 05-04-98 01:24:46 PM Please respond to jlobrien@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, TRIOLOS@XXXXXX cc: Subject: RE: Beginner's Bike... She didn't specify sport or cruiser, but she likes the looks of my bike - VF 500. I don't know. Doesn't get laid enough (?) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandy Triolo [SMTP:TRIOLOS@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 1:03 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Beginner's Bike... > > Crusier or sport bike? > > Whats with Tom? > > sandy > Triolos@XXXXXX > 90 virgo 1100 > 87 Hurricane 600 > > >>> O'Brien, Jeannette 05/04 12:15 PM >>> > Once again I have a friend who's taking the MSF course soon...yay!! > Another woman, too! > She's 5'5" & is wondering what a good beginner bike would be for her. > Suggestions? > > - Jeannette > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 13:57:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18475; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12850; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.worldbank.org (known smtp01.worldbank.org [138.220.3.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21059 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org ([138.220.29.7]) by worldbank.org (PMDF V5.1-8 #16195) with SMTP id <01IWMYGA3Z9E8WX2H5@XXXXXX> for DC-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:34:36 EDT Received: by WBLN0014.worldbank.org(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.1.03 Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 13:31:14 -0400 From: "Malcolm J. Johnson" Subject: Harley Fan. To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852565F4.00442AB9.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii (436.3 7-23-1997)) id 852565FA.00613F8C ; Mon, 04 May 1998 13:42:12 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLDBANK Hi, I'm a Brit working in DC . I'll soon be returning to the UK and I'd like to take a Harley back with me. It's 30 years since I rode a bike, so I believe I'll need some training - preferably on a smaller machine to start with! Work/family commitments are stopping me from going on an MSF basic course, so I'm looking for an MSF instructor with some free time (10 hours or so. or however long it takes to get me through the DC test) during the next month. I can manage 2-3 hour sessions evenings/weekends and some weekdays and I'll pay $40 an hour - cash of course! If anyone's interested send a message, or give me a call on 202 473 6882. Malcolm. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 14:14:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19080; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13188; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22075 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA00971; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:12:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA04471; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980504181255.TYBO8893@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:12:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 13:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Beginner's Bike... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980504181255.TYBO8893@[166.41.242.141]> A 1983 Honda Shadow VT500C. Oh, yes! Best beginner bike I've ever owned. I know you and Marcy went to see Amy R.s Shadow and didn't care for it (style), but your friend might. Keep me in mind, it could be worth $50 to you :) Todd ---------------------- Once again I have a friend who's taking the MSF course soon...yay!! Another woman, too! She's 5'5" & is wondering what a good beginner bike would be for her. Suggestions? - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 14:48:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19867; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14114; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23648 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-181.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.181]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA23809; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:47:07 -0400 Message-ID: <354E0CF0.5060218F@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 14:46:09 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Beginner's Bike... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On Mon, 4 May 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > wondering what a good beginner bike would be for her. > > Suggestions? Kirk Roy wrote: > > > Honda Hawk GT > good bikes with a faithful following. Of course, I'm pretty unbiased... Here's an equally unbiased vote for the Ninja 250. It's got lots of power. (50% more than the next fastest 250) and Collin says it is very confidence inspiring. Leon. Lawn tractor driver. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 15:10:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20280; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14767; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (known lmmail.hst.nasa.gov [198.118.96.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24710 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dn7ty ([198.27.17.88]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 199; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:06:58 -0400 Message-ID: <02a201bd7790$3193aec0$58111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> From: "Rottier.Amy" To: "horkster" , "Tracy Horstman" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Spring Party Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:09:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I was glad I decided to go to the "Spring Fling" on Saturday. It was great to finally put faces to names and associated stories ;). I'm especially grateful for Dale & Tracy's hard work putting their house together for such a large group of people! Well done!! Thanks everyone for making me feel welcome. Next time, I'll bring the bike. I promise. (well... ;) Amy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 15:31:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20628; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15490; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25507 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:30:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'Malcolm J. Johnson'" , DC-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Harley Fan. Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:34:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Malcolm, Welcome back. I spent 20 years sans scoot -- it comes back pretty quickly. Tom Mersch > -----Original Message----- > From: Malcolm J. Johnson [SMTP:Mjohnson3@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 1:31 PM > To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Harley Fan. > > (436.3 7-23-1997)) id 852565FA.00613F8C ; Mon, 04 May 1998 13:42:12 -0400 > X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLDBANK > > Hi, > > I'm a Brit working in DC . I'll soon be returning to the UK and I'd like > to > take a Harley back with me. It's 30 years since I rode a bike, so I > believe > I'll need some training - preferably on a smaller machine to start with! > Work/family commitments are stopping me from going on an MSF basic course, > so I'm looking for an MSF instructor with some free time (10 hours or so. > or however long it takes to get me through the DC test) during the next > month. I can manage 2-3 hour sessions evenings/weekends and some weekdays > and I'll pay $40 an hour - cash of course! > > If anyone's interested send a message, or give me a call on 202 473 6882. > > Malcolm. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 15:35:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20691; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15677; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25638 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA21529 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:35:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805041935.OAA21529@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ip195.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net(38.30.47.195) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021389; Mon May 4 14:34:38 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:34:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: more new speak -- no moto content Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Blamestorming: Sitting around in a group discussing why a deadline was missed or a project failed, and who was responsible. Body Nazis: Hard-core exercise and weight-lifting fanatics who look down on anyone who doesn't work out obsessively. Chainsaw Consultant: An outside expert brought in to reduce the employee headcount, leaving the top brass with clean hands. Cube Farm: An office filled with cubicles. Ego Surfing: Scanning the Net, databases, print media and so on, looking for references to one's own name. Idea Hamsters: People who always seem to have their idea generators running. Mouse Potato: The online, wired generation's answer to the couch potato. Perot: To quit unexpectedly, as in "My cellular phone just perot'ed." SITCOMs: What yuppies turn into when they have children and one of them stops working to stay home with the kids. Stands for Single Income, Two Children, Oppressive Mortgage. Squirt the Bird: To transmit a signal to a satellite. Starter Marriage: A short-lived first marriage that ends in divorce with no kids, no property and no regrets. Stress Puppy: A person who seems to thrive on being stressed out and whiny. Swiped Out: An ATM or credit card that has been rendered useless because the magnetic strip is worn away from extensive use. Treeware: Hacker slang for documentation or other printed material. Umfriend: A sexual relation of dubious standing. "This is uh,..Dale, my...um...friend..." Xerox Subsidy: Euphemism for swiping free photocopies from one's workplace. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 15:46:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20867; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16274; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil (known emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil [164.117.144.116]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25876 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emshqs2.ncr.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:46:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Beginner's Bike... Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:49:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Okay, I'll stay away from the off-color stuff. Thanks for all the expressions of discomfort, they ranged from the nicer ones (Tom and Jeannette gave me the gentlest responses) to an inventive character who sent, via an anonymizer, a graphic and grisly description of how the Ebola virus works. May have to go into lurk mode to put out all these flames :-) Tom Mersch > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas W. Zell [SMTP:zellto@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 2:06 PM > To: Mersch, Tom > Subject: RE: Beginner's Bike... > > Not cool... > > Now for the bike... Jeannette.... sell her your Baby'ceptor so we can get > you a BIG bike!! Your ready to move up to the big Interceptor now! : ) > > Tom Zell > '86 VFR750 > > At 12:51 PM 5/4/98 -0400, you wrote: > > > >If she's cute and single, how 'bout my face? > > > >Tom > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > >> Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 12:15 PM > >> To: dc-cycles > >> Subject: Beginner's Bike... > >> > >> > >> Once again I have a friend who's taking the MSF course soon...yay!! > >> Another woman, too! > >> She's 5'5" & is wondering what a good beginner bike would be for her. > >> Suggestions? > >> > >> - Jeannette > >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 15:58:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21023; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16558; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26133 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA25141; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA25854; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:58:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980504195801.DXML17777@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:58:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 15:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Chris Norloff CC: "Linda Tanner" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Re: Head sets X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980504195801.DXML17777@[166.41.242.141]> It is illegal. Just don't ride 75mph in a 55mph zone while waving the one-finger salute at the guy with the radar gun and you should be ok ;) Kidding aside, I've got Bass-monsters imbedded into my Shoei RF200 with a plug mounted into the base of the helmet. I run a jack-to-jack (male ends) from my CD-player to the helmet. It is very obvious that there is a wire plugged into the helmet (when I use it). I have pulled right up next to FFAC finest and have never been hassled. Wasn't trying to rub anything in the LEOs face, just out for a ride. He didn't give me a second look. Todd --------------------------------------------------------------- At 09:24 AM 5/4/98 -0400, Linda Tanner wrote: >I've ordered a headset for my helmet and I seem to recall that having >something (sound) in both ears is illegal in Virginia. Is that true?? So >my stereo headset will be illegal?? I'm getting a cb with stereo interface >for touring. My recollection is that it's illegal, and never enforced. I think you can find the law itself online through http://www.state.va.us/home/governmt.html Just keep the volume down so you can hear what you need to (just to state the obvious) and don't flaunt it in front of police and I think you'll be fine. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 16:27:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21627; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16832; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailprime.tidalwave.net (known mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27187 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailprime.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 559 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:23:39 -0400 Message-ID: <354E2435.8D0E7D11@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 16:25:25 -0400 From: "horkster" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Great Party! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everyone, Well, Tracy and I were very happy at the turnout for the Party in spite of the weather. Some of you folks got hard-core soaked on the way down, and that's an easy way to impress me! :-) And to the choruses of 'thank-you's' I've gotten in my inbox today, you were all certainly welcome. I'm glad everyone seemed to have a good time. It was certainly our pleasure to host this party. And I got a big kick out of the 'kitchen talk' later on, too! And special thanks to Zbigniew and Joanna who (I'm told) were the ones with the great idea to bring play-doh for the kids! That was certainly the perfect thing to keep the kids happy while the adults had some fun, too. And my daughter's were still playing with (and fighting over) the stuff last night! Take Care, all! Ride Safe! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 17:16:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22550; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17747; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known [206.135.160.194] [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29009 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 04 May 1998 16:36:49 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 16:35:14 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, merscht@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Beginner's Bike... -Reply Say, I still haven't heard the obvious answers to the beginner bike question: Kawasaki's EX 500 and Suzuki's GS 500. Both are relatively cheap to buy (new or used) and maintain, get great gas mileage, and offer decent insurance rates. Unlike everyone's old favorites (the baby 'ceptor, the Hawk GT, etc.), the GS and EX 500s are STILL IN PRODUCTION TODAY! Know what that means? It's called "market saturation." That means there are a bunch of them out there (Ah, a buyer's market!), and you can buy a recent, low mileage, good condition example relatively cheap, say a 3-4 year old edition for maybe 2 grand, even less for an older copy. There's only a limited number of old Hawks, 'ceptors, etc. out there, and a bunch of them are being horded by collectors and/or racers LIKE YOU! Oh, I'm sure there's a reasonably-priced low mileage antique for sale out there somewhere, but for about the same money, do you really want it? No, wait... Let me rephrase that. IF YOU WERE A BEGINNER, wouldn't you prefer to find and ride your bike TODAY as opposed to six months later after you finally find that perfect old machine. IF YOU WERE A BEGINNER, wouldn't you much rather have a newer bike with readily available parts, accessories, etc. instead of yesterday's antique. IF YOU WERE A BEGINNER, wouldn't you FEEL much better about the reliability of your newer transport. (I'm assuming here that a newer bike will hold up better than one that's already say 10, 15, or 20 years old.) (Er, let's also assume you're more interested in actually RIDING the thing than in tearing it apart and putting it together any number of times just to get it to run right.) So, what was I saying? Oh, yes... the EX and GS 500s make EXCELLENT starter bikes: plenty of manageable power, light, easy to maneuver, and CHEAP! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 17:28:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22717; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18081; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (known ns.rtcdirect.com [208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29285 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9] (may be forged)) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA07605; Mon, 04 May 1998 17:37:16 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:28:25 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49501D9BE@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Head sets Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 17:28:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Todd, Where did you get your Bass-monsters? I have some crappy earphones in my helmet now and I would like some new ones. Do you wear earplugs with them and can you hear the music through them? Rich Westbrook > ---------- > From: Todd Peer > Sent: Monday, May 4, 1998 7:40 PM > To: Chris Norloff > Cc: Linda Tanner; Dc-Cycles > Subject: Re: Head sets > > > It is illegal. Just don't ride 75mph in a 55mph zone while waving > the one-finger salute at the guy with the radar gun and you should > be ok ;) > > Kidding aside, I've got Bass-monsters imbedded into my Shoei RF200 > with a plug mounted into the base of the helmet. I run a jack-to-jack > (male ends) from my CD-player to the helmet. It is very obvious that > there is a wire plugged into the helmet (when I use it). I have pulled > right up next to FFAC finest and have never been hassled. Wasn't trying > to rub anything in the LEOs face, just out for a ride. He didn't give > me a second look. > > Todd > --------------------------------------------------------------- > At 09:24 AM 5/4/98 -0400, Linda Tanner wrote: > >I've ordered a headset for my helmet and I seem to recall that having > >something (sound) in both ears is illegal in Virginia. Is that true?? > So > >my stereo headset will be illegal?? I'm getting a cb with stereo > interface > >for touring. > > My recollection is that it's illegal, and never enforced. I think you can > find the law itself online through > http://www.state.va.us/home/governmt.html > > Just keep the volume down so you can hear what you need to (just to state > the obvious) and don't flaunt it in front of police and I think you'll be > fine. > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 18:17:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23422; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19464; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00389 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id SAA27769; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA12856; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss5.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980504221445.ESEL17777@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:14:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Westbrook, Richard" CC: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Head sets X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980504221445.ESEL17777@[166.41.242.141]> You can get the Bass-monsters through mail order. I've seen them advertised in American Motorcyclist, but I just went through the last two issues I have and couldn't find the advert. Can anyone help here? You might try an accessories shop. They've been marketed for about 6-7 years now, so you should be able to find them (Around $35-45) They are about 3/8" thick and 2-1/8" in diameter. I had to burn some of the styro to make mine fit. Another option in sound quality are the Optimus Titanium element Pro-25. That's right Radio Shack! Don't laugh! I went to Radio Shack to test this head-set out based on a sound engineers recommendation, and I was simply blown away by the clarity and range. They are around $45, but $20 if you can get them on sale. The pro-25 set will go into my new Duo-Tec. Yes, I use earplugs and can still here the music. Remember who you're talking to though. I'm behind a windshield ;-) Todd Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49501D9BE@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Head sets Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 17:28:24 -0400 Todd, Where did you get your Bass-monsters? I have some crappy earphones in my helmet now and I would like some new ones. Do you wear earplugs with them and can you hear the music through them? Rich Westbrook > ---------- > From: Todd Peer > Sent: Monday, May 4, 1998 7:40 PM > To: Chris Norloff > Cc: Linda Tanner; Dc-Cycles > Subject: Re: Head sets > > > It is illegal. Just don't ride 75mph in a 55mph zone while waving > the one-finger salute at the guy with the radar gun and you should > be ok ;) > > Kidding aside, I've got Bass-monsters imbedded into my Shoei RF200 > with a plug mounted into the base of the helmet. I run a jack-to-jack > (male ends) from my CD-player to the helmet. It is very obvious that > there is a wire plugged into the helmet (when I use it). I have pulled > right up next to FFAC finest and have never been hassled. Wasn't trying > to rub anything in the LEOs face, just out for a ride. He didn't give > me a second look. > > Todd > --------------------------------------------------------------- > At 09:24 AM 5/4/98 -0400, Linda Tanner wrote: > >I've ordered a headset for my helmet and I seem to recall that having > >something (sound) in both ears is illegal in Virginia. Is that true?? > So > >my stereo headset will be illegal?? I'm getting a cb with stereo > interface > >for touring. > > My recollection is that it's illegal, and never enforced. I think you can > find the law itself online through > http://www.state.va.us/home/governmt.html > > Just keep the volume down so you can hear what you need to (just to state > the obvious) and don't flaunt it in front of police and I think you'll be > fine. > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 20:31:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24627; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20970; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02726 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-2.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.43]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA29281 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:30:06 -0400 Message-ID: <038401bd77bd$0e488580$2b10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Rain check? Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 20:30:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy >>On Sat, 2 May 1998 20:34:22 -0400, "mobacc" wrote:<< snip >>Best feeling run turns out to have >been in second. snip. . .<< >Second? Were they giving people places? I must've left before that. Dang! I had to hurry away for the spring fling.< Er, uh. Second *gear*. Second place (or any other place) was completely outside my thoughts as I repostured for the sportbikes, though thanks. >Did you catch the winning time? I'm just curious if the 29.75 I managed would've made me a contender... That was definitely a blast!< I also had to leave for SprFlg (trip washed out), with times in the slogging 30's and up as I recall, so didn't catch results, though perhaps HD/Fred'g is making available. >Those Buells are weird, huh? Not as much ground clearance as I'd expected. I did my quickest buell time at 31.30 or so. My best time was on my own bike, a yellow Hawk GT - if you see me around at one of these events just say hi.< Will try to. Looking forward to more. Reminded me of my sportycar gymkhana days. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (Does best on a straight line) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 20:31:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24630; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20967; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02723 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-2.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.43]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA29278 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:30:02 -0400 Message-ID: <038301bd77bd$0d978500$2b10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Rain check? Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:58:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >Where do you get your Doppler images from? Thanks. http://www.intellicast.com/weather/dca/nexrad/ Updated hourly or so. Also lots of info at Channel 4's http://wxnet4.nbc4.com/morefcsts.html Enjoy. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 22:03:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25696; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22784; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.gatewayone.com (known ns1.gatewayone.com [207.226.171.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04440 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gatewayone (dial247.gatewayone.com [207.226.171.247]) by ns1.gatewayone.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA16040; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:01:33 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980504210642.006a5c04@gatewayone.com> X-Sender: poppo@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 21:06:42 -0400 To: "Thomas H. Gimer" From: poppo@XXXXXX (Ralph Young) Subject: Re: Tire Pressure Cc: DC Cycles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I receive the digest form of the dc-cycles mail list thus the delay in providing some input to you. The tire pressures I have found to work the best with my bikes (I always use Metzlers) are: Cold Temps - 30 lbs Front and 32 lbs Rear Moderate Temps - 32 lbs Front and 34 lbs Rear Hot Temps - 34 lbs Front and 36 lbs Rear At the cooler temps some tire squirm is necessary to warm up the tires. The rule of thumb racers use when starting out on cold tires is to look for a 10-20% rise in tire pressure after a few laps (the tires should feel warm). If the rise does not occur, the pressure is too high and needs to be reduced. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 23:56:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26916; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23485; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06223 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.37] (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Mon, 04 May 1998 23:53:45 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Beginner's Bike... Date: Mon, 4 May 98 23:56:55 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Morris Berman" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "'Sandy Triolo'" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I kind of think my bike #2 is a good beginner bike. >It's very low. Has a fuel gage. Has a gear number indicator. It is >shaft drive. It might be a little bit heavy though. >It's a GS650GL Too many guages for a newbie. They'll know that they're out of gas when it starts sputtering. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 23:56:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26925; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23489; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06228 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.37] (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Mon, 04 May 1998 23:53:51 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Beginner's Bike... Date: Mon, 4 May 98 23:57:01 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Once again I have a friend who's taking the MSF course soon...yay!! >Another woman, too! >She's 5'5" & is wondering what a good beginner bike would be for her. >Suggestions? Kawasaki Eliminator 600. I've got one in perfect condition, well broken in, all the Kawi accessories. Low, low seat height. Enough midrange and low end to not be a pain when learning how to ride, but enough power to run in the high 12's when she has some experience. And the fact that I've got one for sale isn't influencing my recommendation at all:) Seriously, it's a good bike. Others I'd recommend are the Bandit 600, BMW F650 and R850, and the CB750. It all depends on how comfortable she is on her tippy toes, what style of riding she predicts she'll be doing, whether she'll do her own maintenance, etc. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon May 4 23:56:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26924; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23481; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06219 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.226.128.37] (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id ; Mon, 04 May 1998 23:53:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Beginner's Bike... Date: Mon, 4 May 98 23:56:52 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Mersch, Tom" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >If she's cute and single, how 'bout my face? > >Tom > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 12:15 PM >> To: dc-cycles >> Subject: Beginner's Bike... >> >> >> Once again I have a friend who's taking the MSF course soon...yay!! >> Another woman, too! >> She's 5'5" & is wondering what a good beginner bike would be for her. >> Suggestions? Not even subtle or clever enough to be funny. ----------------------------------------------------------- -George Howell AMA#553567 ghowell@XXXXXX BMWMOA#80794 georgehowell@XXXXXX BMWRA#23411 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 5 00:26:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28006; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23777; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06876 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts17.Erols.com ([205.252.118.90]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA24463 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805050425.AAA24463@smtp3.erols.com> X-Sender: beemer@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 00:26:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wes Fleming Subject: Re: Beginner's Bike... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 23:57 5/4/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >>Once again I have a friend who's taking the MSF course soon...yay!! >>Another woman, too! >>She's 5'5" & is wondering what a good beginner bike would be for her. >>Suggestions? >Seriously, it's a good bike. Others I'd recommend are the Bandit 600, BMW >F650 and R850, and the CB750. It all depends on how comfortable she is on >her tippy toes, what style of riding she predicts she'll be doing, >whether she'll do her own maintenance, etc. I too recommend the BMW F650. Wes Fleming 1974 R90/6 "Kablooie" beemer@XXXXXX http://beemer.newspeak.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 5 01:11:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28451; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23996; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.42]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA07511 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id VWLOa18945; Tue, 5 May 1998 01:08:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23 Message-ID: <9d68f23b.354e9ee7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 01:08:54 EDT To: bslatter@XXXXXX, ecm4a@XXXXXX, harperba@XXXXXX, LeoJimmy69@XXXXXX, VWTB06A@XXXXXX, whiskeycreek@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, VLBiels@XXXXXX, bobesser@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Spam Haiku....so short, yet so funny. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 56 The color of Spam Is natural as the sky: A block of sunrise Pink tender morsel Glistening with salty gel What the hell is it? Old man seeks doctor "I eat Spam daily," he says Angioplasty Pink beefy temptress I can no longer remain Vegetarian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 5 06:26:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA01020; Tue, 5 May 1998 06:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA26572; Tue, 5 May 1998 06:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA10884 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 06:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-36-162.s162.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.162]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA26584; Tue, 5 May 1998 06:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <354EE935.F9123380@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 06:25:57 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Beginner's Bike... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Bandit 600 is awefully heavy for a small female newbie... The Bandit 400 would be much more fun...The BMW's, while great bikes, may be too large an investment for a newbie who may change their mind about biking after a season or so.... how bout: Seca 550, EX500, GS500, Bandit 400, VF500, CB-1, Hawk... The first two are cheap, easy to find, easy to sell, and all the power a newbie could want. The others are great bikes as well, but getting harder to find these days. Collin George Howell wrote: > > Seriously, it's a good bike. Others I'd recommend are the Bandit 600, BMW > F650 and R850, and the CB750. It all depends on how comfortable she is on > her tippy toes, what style of riding she predicts she'll be doing, > whether she'll do her own maintenance, etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue May 5 07:17:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA01374; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA26760; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com (known enterprise.reliacom.com [151.200.65.161]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11281 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by enterprise.reliacom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:16:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1FEC5DA89BADD1118007006008A591101CE4@enterprise.reliacom.com> From: Scot Kight To: "'Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)'" , George Howell Cc: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: Beginner's Bike... Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:16:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > > Seca 550, EX500, GS500, Bandit 400, VF500, CB-1, Hawk... > > The first two are cheap, easy to find, easy to sell, and all > the power a > newbie could want. The others are great bikes as well, but getting > harder to find these days. GS500 is definitly VERY easy to find. They are more simple in design also which is nice for a beginner. Very easy to work on, to get the hang of everything a motorcycle means. I had one, and sold it to my housemate as his beginner bike. Its a wonderful bike. 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